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September 18, 2009 - September 25, 2009
commercial product, at least in this particular test.
PENETRANT AVERAGE TORQUE
None 516 pounds
WD-40 238 pounds
PB Blaster 214 pounds
Liquid Wrench 127 pounds
Kano Kroil 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix 53 pounds
Kroil (The Oil that Creeps) is used by the most accuracy-obsessed benchrest shooters
to keep their barrels clean. Kroil creeps below the fouling in your barrel,
allowing you to knock it out easily with a patch or brush. Kroil also displaces
moisture, dissolves and prevents rust and can even be used as a lubricant.
Size: 8 fl. oz.
Container: Metal Canister
Material: Liquid Solvent
Notes:
Noted for cleaning bores which are have been exposed to moly-coated bullets.
Removes carbon, lead and copper fouling
Unsticks frozen threads
Loosens stuck screws and bolts
Dissolves dried grease and oil
Displaces water
For best results when working with rusted or frozen gun parts, allow 24 hours
for Kroil to penetrate.
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: starter for no-electrics engines |
Why would anyone want one? Maybe it's just me, but hand proping my A 65 is
just part of flying an old open cockpit airplane. I love it all.
Gene in rainy Tennessee
N502R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 7:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: starter for no-electrics engines
>
>
> This may already have come up in discussion here so if it
> has, I apologize in advance but I'm
> always behind on my reading so I'm just now getting around
> to reading my Sport Aviation with the Tailwind on the cover.
> Probably from March or April. Anyway, there is a short
> article on a really nifty starter that uses a cordless
> drill driving a ring gear that bolts to the prop hub
> before the prop goes on. It's for older Continentals like
> the A65s that so many of us have (as well as other engines
> and airplanes with no electrics or provision for starters).
> A T-handle pull cable
> from the cockpit engages the drive gear from the drill at
> the same time that the trigger is pulled, and a Bendix
> arrangement keeps the drive from breaking if the engine
> kicks back.
>
> Has anyone seen one of these or actually tried one? They
> are STC'ing the setup and it is supposed to sell for something
> like $1500 plus another $800 for installation (or some
> amount like that). I thought it was very clever.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
To Jack phillips. Jack, on your elevator gap seal did you put duck tape on the
top or bottom or both sides? Also, did you gap seal the verticle stab. and rudder
too? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: off subject-- Rust Buster |
Thanks Tim, for the heads up. Had not heard of the acetone-AFT mix, but you
can bet I'll give it a try. I worked a lot of years in the Arctic and
around salt water and we found Kroil worked the best and always carried a
can on any of my boats.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Willis" <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 2:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: off subject-- Rust Buster
>
>
> Those of us tearing down Corvairs or A-65s may like this.
>
> I got this note from two friends. The first attached the article from
> "Turning Wheels." The second attached a plug for Kroil, with which he has
> had excellent user experience. I have none with that product. I like the
> acetone-ATF mix, as well, since both are in the garage.
>
> Tim in central TX
> ======================
>
>
> THE BEST RUST PENETRANT?
>
>>From Turning Wheels, August 2009, Published by the Studebaker Drivers
>>Club
>
> Most hobbyists have their own favorite rust-busting penetrant for
> loosening rusty
>
> fasteners. Its difficult to compare products Its difficult to compare
> products because
>
> rusted parts are likely to vary as to severity of seizure.
>
> Nonetheless, Advisor Jim Pepper forwarded results from a study undertaken
> by
>
> Machinists Workshop magazine for their April 2007 issue. Therein, they
> tested
>
> various penetrants for break-away torque on nuts that had been
> scientifically rusted
>
> (whatever that means).
>
> We must assume they made every attempt to insure that the nuts were
> equally seized due
>
> to rust. Its too bad they did not specify how long they allowed each
> product to soak
>
> before conducting the test. While all probably soaked the same length of
> time, perhaps
>
> some products would be more effective with a longer soak time.
>
> Heres what they found; the torque required to remove comparable nuts from
> a
>
> scientifically-rusted constant. The ATF-Acetone mix was a 50/50 home
> brew of
>
> automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew being better
> than any
>
> commercial product, at least in this particular test.
>
> PENETRANT AVERAGE TORQUE
>
> None 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster 214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix 53 pounds
>
> Kroil (The Oil that Creeps) is used by the most accuracy-obsessed
> benchrest shooters to keep their barrels clean. Kroil creeps below the
> fouling in your barrel, allowing you to knock it out easily with a patch
> or brush. Kroil also displaces moisture, dissolves and prevents rust and
> can even be used as a lubricant.
>
> Size: 8 fl. oz.
> Container: Metal Canister
> Material: Liquid Solvent
>
> Notes:
>
> Noted for cleaning bores which are have been exposed to moly-coated
> bullets.
>
> Removes carbon, lead and copper fouling
>
> Unsticks frozen threads
>
> Loosens stuck screws and bolts
>
> Dissolves dried grease and oil
>
> Displaces water
>
> For best results when working with rusted or frozen gun parts, allow 24
> hours for Kroil to penetrate.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: starter for no-electrics engines |
| From: | "Ozarkflyer" <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
I saw one on a Taylorcraft a week or so ago in Batesville, AR. The guy I rent
a 150 from put one on for somebody and when he told me about it I just had to
see it. If I go over next week I'll try and get a picture of it. It turned the
engine over for a test spin but you could tell it was laboring.
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| Subject: | Re: old aviation footage |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
That thing is awesome! Looks like something Emmett Brown might have used. Flux
capacitor... fluxing!
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| From: | "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: old aviation footage |
Michael Cuy:
Next time whimsical inspiration overwhelms, you may consider adding one of
these to your inventory. .
http://www.ohtm.org/demenjoz.html
The specimen is located at the Owls Head Transportation Museum in
Thomaston/Rockland Maine.
http://www.ohtm.org/
Michael in Maine
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| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Gang.
Well- the check ride is over, and here is a general summery.
With an early morning appointment on a perfect day. Temps around the mid 50's Mr
FAA comes to work in jeans and a short sleeve shirt. We pushed the hot J3 out
of the hanger and after a long check-out, I ask if he would want the doors open
or closed. Reply." Your discretion ." , I selected, open. I was wearing a
jacket. He said that I select the runway and he will instruct maneuvers to be
done.
We took off and went to 3000 Ft. Temps were in the 40's, a couple clearance turns
and 360's to the right and left but steeper. one power off stall, and one accelerated
at my discretion.
His next words were." Lets shoot a few landings" The word "discretion" came up
many times. Runway selection etc.
He kept me closer and closer to the airport, until between side-slips and power
approaches to hit a spot he insisted I hit.
The last landing, I told him that it will be exactly as I did on 36L, at 12" off
the turf I dropped the J3 in with a mild quick stall.
The next thing I heard "Lets go in and talk about things." as he rubbed his arms
to bring a bit of warmth into circulation.
In a later discussion he mentioned that a rebound from a small bounce may have
lightened the gears enough to allow the side movement that I had. But a picture
shows what a thousand words cannot cannot express.
The next hour I asked how his great adventures in the CO mountains went and what
his greatest fears were. The Cougar was his answer, and it was a piece of cake
from there on.
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Out Fox The Fox |
| From: | amsafetyc(at)aol.com |
Glad to hear it went well. Sounds like you were much better prepared than Mr FAA
which is always a good thing.
The trouble with the FAA is over now, Mr Brown?
John
------Original Message------
From: Pieti Lowell
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Sep 18, 2009 10:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Out Fox The Fox
Hi Gang.
Well- the check ride is over, and here is a general summery.
With an early morning appointment on a perfect day. Temps around the mid 50's Mr
FAA comes to work in jeans and a short sleeve shirt. We pushed the hot J3 out
of the hanger and after a long check-out, I ask if he would want the doors open
or closed. Reply." Your discretion ." , I selected, open. I was wearing a
jacket. He said that I select the runway and he will instruct maneuvers to be
done.
We took off and went to 3000 Ft. Temps were in the 40's, a couple clearance turns
and 360's to the right and left but steeper. one power off stall, and one accelerated
at my discretion.
His next words were." Lets shoot a few landings" The word "discretion" came up
many times. Runway selection etc.
He kept me closer and closer to the airport, until between side-slips and power
approaches to hit a spot he insisted I hit.
The last landing, I told him that it will be exactly as I did on 36L, at 12" off
the turf I dropped the J3 in with a mild quick stall.
The next thing I heard "Lets go in and talk about things." as he rubbed his arms
to bring a bit of warmth into circulation.
In a later discussion he mentioned that a rebound from a small bounce may have
lightened the gears enough to allow the side movement that I had. But a picture
shows what a thousand words cannot cannot express.
The next hour I asked how his great adventures in the CO mountains went and what
his greatest fears were. The Cougar was his answer, and it was a piece of cake
from there on.
Pieti Lowell
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263771#263771
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
Gardiner, I haven't seen Jack's gap seals (knowing Jack I'm sure they look
great) however you might consider using "Sign" vinyl for gap seals. Buy
your vinyl from a sign shop (I was able to find a color that matched my
plane's color). Cut the vinyl into strips and then remove the backing from
half the width of each strip. Place the glue sides of the two strips
together and you end up having one strip with a sticky side on one half of
each side. That way you can stick the strip to the top of the stabilizer,
thread it thru the slot and stick it to the bottom of the elevator. Ends up
looking great and lasts about forever.
I've used Duct tape before and I do like this better. Jack may have had
better results and I'm sure he'll give a us a good update.
Gene
N502R
----- Original Message -----
From: "airlion" <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
>
> To Jack phillips. Jack, on your elevator gap seal did you put duck tape
> on the top or bottom or both sides? Also, did you gap seal the verticle
> stab. and rudder too? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
>
>
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Thanks Gene. I'll see if I can find some vinyl. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 8:54:48 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
Gardiner, I haven't seen Jack's gap seals (knowing Jack I'm sure they look great)
however you might consider using "Sign" vinyl for gap seals. Buy your vinyl
from a sign shop (I was able to find a color that matched my plane's color).
Cut the vinyl into strips and then remove the backing from half the width of
each strip. Place the glue sides of the two strips together and you end up having
one strip with a sticky side on one half of each side. That way you can
stick the strip to the top of the stabilizer, thread it thru the slot and stick
it to the bottom of the elevator. Ends up looking great and lasts about forever.
I've used Duct tape before and I do like this better. Jack may have had better
results and I'm sure he'll give a us a good update.
Gene
N502R
----- Original Message ----- From: "airlion" <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
>
> To Jack phillips. Jack, on your elevator gap seal did you put duck tape on the
top or bottom or both sides? Also, did you gap seal the verticle stab. and
rudder too? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net> |
Guys,
Just a thought -- if you are still covering, you can do like I did and
use fabric. I did this on the ailerons and elevators. The big
disadvantage being you have to cut the fabric to remove them.
Regards, Tom Bernie
On Sep 19, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote:
> >
>
> Gardiner, I haven't seen Jack's gap seals (knowing Jack I'm sure
> they look great) however you might consider using "Sign" vinyl for
> gap seals. Buy your vinyl from a sign shop (I was able to find a
> color that matched my plane's color). Cut the vinyl into strips and
> then remove the backing from half the width of each strip. Place
> the glue sides of the two strips together and you end up having one
> strip with a sticky side on one half of each side. That way you can
> stick the strip to the top of the stabilizer, thread it thru the
> slot and stick it to the bottom of the elevator. Ends up looking
> great and lasts about forever.
> I've used Duct tape before and I do like this better. Jack may have
> had better results and I'm sure he'll give a us a good update.
> Gene
> N502R
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "airlion" <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:24 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
>
>
>>
>> To Jack phillips. Jack, on your elevator gap seal did you put duck
>> tape on the top or bottom or both sides? Also, did you gap seal
>> the verticle stab. and rudder too? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
Tom, your wings look great and I love the color! How far along on your
build are you? More photos? I bought my flying Piet, I didn't build it and
the only reason I not flying it today is I injured my leg. It'll be a week
or so before I'll be able to fly again and I'm really tired of setting
around. The weather here is slowly cooling down and I'm excited about the
upcoming winter flying. Only wish we got more snow here so I could outfit
the Piet with skies.
Gene Grounded in Tennessee
N502R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Bernie" <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
> Guys,
> Just a thought -- if you are still covering, you can do like I did and
> use fabric. I did this on the ailerons and elevators. The big
> disadvantage being you have to cut the fabric to remove them.
> Regards, Tom Bernie
>
>
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>
> On Sep 19, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote:
>
>> > >
>>
>> Gardiner, I haven't seen Jack's gap seals (knowing Jack I'm sure
>> they look great) however you might consider using "Sign" vinyl for
>> gap seals. Buy your vinyl from a sign shop (I was able to find a
>> color that matched my plane's color). Cut the vinyl into strips and
>> then remove the backing from half the width of each strip. Place
>> the glue sides of the two strips together and you end up having one
>> strip with a sticky side on one half of each side. That way you can
>> stick the strip to the top of the stabilizer, thread it thru the
>> slot and stick it to the bottom of the elevator. Ends up looking
>> great and lasts about forever.
>> I've used Duct tape before and I do like this better. Jack may have
>> had better results and I'm sure he'll give a us a good update.
>> Gene
>> N502R
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "airlion" <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:24 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
>>
>>
>>>
>>> To Jack phillips. Jack, on your elevator gap seal did you put duck
>>> tape on the top or bottom or both sides? Also, did you gap seal
>>> the verticle stab. and rudder too? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
I just put it on the bottom on the elevators/stabilizer. Nothing on the
rudder. As I said earlier, I put the duct tape on just as an experiment,
and it's still there after 4 years.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 7:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
To Jack phillips. Jack, on your elevator gap seal did you put duck tape on
the top or bottom or both sides? Also, did you gap seal the verticle stab.
and rudder too? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I know this is a long shot, but I'm trying to decide what I am looking at. I received
my wood package from AS&S back in July, and opened it all up shortly after.
It all looked to be in good condition, although I did not perform a thorough
inspection until a few weeks ago. Everything I expected to be there was
indeed there, an I didn't notice any blemishes or damage. I hung my spars and
several ribs a few weeks ago and haven't done much since because of the weather
(rain).
Ok, ok... I'm getting to it... with a break in the weather, I went to the hangar
today to do some work and found what looks like a crack. I didn't notice this
before, but it was pretty obvious today. It actually looks lie someone was
careless with a blade (not me, I'm sure of that... was very careful). It extends
from the top or the spar, around the corner to the front side of the spar,
across the grain. I've seen damage like this when being careless with RC model
wood and the like, but I know I've been very careful with this stuff thus
far, and the only time I used a blade was to carefully remove the tape from the
bundles. I placed the spar on the edge of my work bench (scratch down) and
applied pressure with my hand. The scratch didn't seem to expand or open under
pressure (notice I am calling it a scratch now).
Anyhow, I wonder if it is just a scratch that wasn't very noticeable a few weeks
ago, but after a couple weeks of rain and humidity at looks worse than it is.
I can't tell for sure, and I'm sure that it is difficult to know by looking
at photos, but...
Opinions? Tips? Suggestions? Anything telling, like split against the grain,
etc? It looks like it may just be a shallow scratch that I may be able to remove
with light sanding, but it is hard to tell for sure, and I hate to destroy
the evidence before I get some expert eyes on the subject.
Thanks for looking.
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| Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
| From: | Lloyd Smith <lesmith240(at)gmail.com> |
This will sound crazy, but a drop of ink on the scratch should follow the
grain unless there is truely a crack. If that's the case (a crack), then
the drop will wick down into the wood.
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 9:31 PM, K5YAC wrote:
>
> I know this is a long shot, but I'm trying to decide what I am looking at.
> I received my wood package from AS&S back in July, and opened it all up
> shortly after. It all looked to be in good condition, although I did not
> perform a thorough inspection until a few weeks ago. Everything I expected
> to be there was indeed there, an I didn't notice any blemishes or damage. I
> hung my spars and several ribs a few weeks ago and haven't done much since
> because of the weather (rain).
>
> Ok, ok... I'm getting to it... with a break in the weather, I went to the
> hangar today to do some work and found what looks like a crack. I didn't
> notice this before, but it was pretty obvious today. It actually looks lie
> someone was careless with a blade (not me, I'm sure of that... was very
> careful). It extends from the top or the spar, around the corner to the
> front side of the spar, across the grain. I've seen damage like this when
> being careless with RC model wood and the like, but I know I've been very
> careful with this stuff thus far, and the only time I used a blade was to
> carefully remove the tape from the bundles. I placed the spar on the edge
> of my work bench (scratch down) and applied pressure with my hand. The
> scratch didn't seem to expand or open under pressure (notice I am calling it
> a scratch now).
>
> Anyhow, I wonder if it is just a scratch that wasn't very noticeable a few
> weeks ago, but after a couple weeks of rain and humidity at looks worse than
> it is. I can't tell for sure, and I'm sure that it is difficult to know by
> looking at photos, but...
>
> Opinions? Tips? Suggestions? Anything telling, like split against the
> grain, etc? It looks like it may just be a shallow scratch that I may be
> able to remove with light sanding, but it is hard to tell for sure, and I
> hate to destroy the evidence before I get some expert eyes on the subject.
>
> Thanks for looking.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
--
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
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| Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
That DOES sounds crazy. Anyone else concur on this test? I'd sure be willing
to try it. I suppose that you are talking about thin ink, like a small drop of
rubber stamp pad ink?
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Dear Lowell,
My deepest respect and regard for you and your experience with aviation over the
years and for you having to put up with
the FAA guy but in the end it sounded like he was, after all, a normal human being
too. Thank God for that. You did great.
We had a little incident locally over the past week where (thankfully) no body
knew the better and pilot's with YEARS and years
of experience just drove home peacefully by sunset time and nothing more was a
to-do about it. Just the way it should be
in my mind. Glad you're back among the troops. Good going.
Mike Cuy
In Ohio
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
Where on the spar is the blemish, in the center, or on one of the ends?
Ben
K5YAC wrote:
>
> I know this is a long shot, but I'm trying to decide what I am looking at. I
received my wood package from AS&S back in July, and opened it all up shortly
after. It all looked to be in good condition, although I did not perform a thorough
inspection until a few weeks ago. Everything I expected to be there was
indeed there, an I didn't notice any blemishes or damage. I hung my spars
and several ribs a few weeks ago and haven't done much since because of the weather
(rain).
>
> Ok, ok... I'm getting to it... with a break in the weather, I went to the hangar
today to do some work and found what looks like a crack. I didn't notice this
before, but it was pretty obvious today. It actually looks lie someone was
careless with a blade (not me, I'm sure of that... was very careful). It extends
from the top or the spar, around the corner to the front side of the spar,
across the grain. I've seen damage like this when being careless with RC
model wood and the like, but I know I've been very careful with this stuff thus
far, and the only time I used a blade was to carefully remove the tape from
the bundles. I placed the spar on the edge of my work bench (scratch down) and
applied pressure with my hand. The scratch didn't seem to expand or open under
pressure (notice I am calling it a scratch now).
>
> Anyhow, I wonder if it is just a scratch that wasn't very noticeable a few weeks
ago, but after a couple weeks of rain and humidity at looks worse than it
is. I can't tell for sure, and I'm sure that it is difficult to know by looking
at photos, but...
>
> Opinions? Tips? Suggestions? Anything telling, like split against the grain,
etc? It looks like it may just be a shallow scratch that I may be able to
remove with light sanding, but it is hard to tell for sure, and I hate to destroy
the evidence before I get some expert eyes on the subject.
>
> Thanks for looking.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263901#263901
>
>
> Attachments:
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190052r_120.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190053r_345.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190054r_922.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190060r_303.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190064r_195.jpg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
| From: | Lloyd Smith <lesmith240(at)gmail.com> |
http://exp-aircraft.com/library/boyce/grain.html
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Lloyd Smith wrote:
> Yup, need to be thin, low surface tension stuff. There's a reference
> somewhere (I'll look for it) for determining grain slope doing this as well.
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:23 PM, K5YAC wrote:
>
>>
>> That DOES sounds crazy. Anyone else concur on this test? I'd sure be
>> willing to try it. I suppose that you are talking about thin ink, like a
>> small drop of rubber stamp pad ink?
>>
>> --------
>> Mark - working on wings
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263909#263909
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists
> or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
> publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
>
--
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
| From: | Lloyd Smith <lesmith240(at)gmail.com> |
Yup, need to be thin, low surface tension stuff. There's a reference
somewhere (I'll look for it) for determining grain slope doing this as well.
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:23 PM, K5YAC wrote:
>
> That DOES sounds crazy. Anyone else concur on this test? I'd sure be
> willing to try it. I suppose that you are talking about thin ink, like a
> small drop of rubber stamp pad ink?
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263909#263909
>
>
--
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
In the center. If I measured, I'll bet it would fall within inches of exact center.
--------
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| From: | Doug Dever <helio400(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey gang,
-
I'm back after a brief hiatis due to MSN Hotmail who closed my acct for a s
upposed "terms of use violation"- Since there is nobody with a pulse to t
alk to can't find anything out.-
-
Anyway, enough ranting- rib jig done...about ready to make my first rib.
-
Doug Dever=0A=0A__________________________________________________=0ADo You
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| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
photos possible?
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Opinions Please
> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
> Date: Sat=2C 19 Sep 2009 18:31:24 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> I know this is a long shot=2C but I'm trying to decide what I am looking
at. I received my wood package from AS&S back in July=2C and opened it all
up shortly after. It all looked to be in good condition=2C although I did
not perform a thorough inspection until a few weeks ago. Everything I exp
ected to be there was indeed there=2C an I didn't notice any blemishes or d
amage. I hung my spars and several ribs a few weeks ago and haven't done m
uch since because of the weather (rain).
>
> Ok=2C ok... I'm getting to it... with a break in the weather=2C I went to
the hangar today to do some work and found what looks like a crack. I didn
't notice this before=2C but it was pretty obvious today. It actually look
s lie someone was careless with a blade (not me=2C I'm sure of that... was
very careful). It extends from the top or the spar=2C around the corner t
o the front side of the spar=2C across the grain. I've seen damage like th
is when being careless with RC model wood and the like=2C but I know I've b
een very careful with this stuff thus far=2C and the only time I used a bla
de was to carefully remove the tape from the bundles. I placed the spar o
n the edge of my work bench (scratch down) and applied pressure with my han
d. The scratch didn't seem to expand or open under pressure (notice I am c
alling it a scratch now).
>
> Anyhow=2C I wonder if it is just a scratch that wasn't very noticeable a
few weeks ago=2C but after a couple weeks of rain and humidity at looks wor
se than it is. I can't tell for sure=2C and I'm sure that it is difficult
to know by looking at photos=2C but...
>
> Opinions? Tips? Suggestions? Anything telling=2C like split against th
e grain=2C etc? It looks like it may just be a shallow scratch that I may
be able to remove with light sanding=2C but it is hard to tell for sure=2C
and I hate to destroy the evidence before I get some expert eyes on the sub
ject.
>
> Thanks for looking.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263901#263901
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190051r_624.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190052r_120.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190053r_345.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190054r_922.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190060r_303.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190064r_195.jpg
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I've attached 5 photos. I'm a web user, so I'm not sure how they come across on
the e-mail side. I assume... attached?
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
It's a crack. I've suffered that sort of thing a
number of times. It goes farther to the left
as well. I can see it going out of the picture
to the left. Don't use this piece!
In pic five you can see it follows the grain direction.
Clif
>
> In the center. If I measured, I'll bet it would fall within inches of
> exact center.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net> |
Thanks Gene,
I'm almost done -- just paint cowling and make wing struts. Looks
like spring flying here in Gloucester, Mass. Here is a link to over
1000 photos of the 4 year project.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/berniejr/sets/72157617340470074/
Tom
N666TB
On Sep 19, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote:
> >
>
> Tom, your wings look great and I love the color! How far along on
> your build are you? More photos? I bought my flying Piet, I didn't
> build it and the only reason I not flying it today is I injured my
> leg. It'll be a week or so before I'll be able to fly again and I'm
> really tired of setting around. The weather here is slowly cooling
> down and I'm excited about the upcoming winter flying. Only wish we
> got more snow here so I could outfit the Piet with skies.
> Gene Grounded in Tennessee
> N502R
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Bernie" <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net
> >
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
>
>
>> Guys,
>> Just a thought -- if you are still covering, you can do like I did
>> and
>> use fabric. I did this on the ailerons and elevators. The big
>> disadvantage being you have to cut the fabric to remove them.
>> Regards, Tom Bernie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote:
>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> Gardiner, I haven't seen Jack's gap seals (knowing Jack I'm sure
>>> they look great) however you might consider using "Sign" vinyl for
>>> gap seals. Buy your vinyl from a sign shop (I was able to find a
>>> color that matched my plane's color). Cut the vinyl into strips and
>>> then remove the backing from half the width of each strip. Place
>>> the glue sides of the two strips together and you end up having one
>>> strip with a sticky side on one half of each side. That way you can
>>> stick the strip to the top of the stabilizer, thread it thru the
>>> slot and stick it to the bottom of the elevator. Ends up looking
>>> great and lasts about forever.
>>> I've used Duct tape before and I do like this better. Jack may have
>>> had better results and I'm sure he'll give a us a good update.
>>> Gene
>>> N502R
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "airlion" <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:24 PM
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
>>>
>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> To Jack phillips. Jack, on your elevator gap seal did you put duck
>>>> tape on the top or bottom or both sides? Also, did you gap seal
>>>> the verticle stab. and rudder too? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>> 07:49:00
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> 06:03:00
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Mark, it certainly looks like a crack. With it being in the middle of the
spar, I'd be hesitant to use it. Every time you find yourself flying in
turbulence you'll be wondering if that spar will hold.
Your options are:
1. Try to determine if it is just a scratch - hopefully it is, and you can
use it without worry
2. Try to get AS&S to replace it (good luck)
3. Cut it up into smaller pieces for use elsewhere in the project. If it
is a 1" thick spar, you might be able to get some longeron material out of
it (will require scarf joints unless your spar was as long as a longeron)
One other possibility exists. If it is truly in the middle (and I'm
assuming you are making a 3-piece wing), it will fall about where the lift
struts attach. There are heavy 1/8" plywood doublers on both sides of the
spar there. If you make those doublers longer than the plans require,
spanning maybe a foot of spar on each side, and add doublers on the top and
bottom edge of the spar, it might be capable of sustaining the loads. You'd
want to run a quick stress analysis to make sure it would suffice, but my
feeling is that it would probably be okay. I'd still try option (2) first.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 9:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Opinions Please
I know this is a long shot, but I'm trying to decide what I am looking at.
I received my wood package from AS&S back in July, and opened it all up
shortly after. It all looked to be in good condition, although I did not
perform a thorough inspection until a few weeks ago. Everything I expected
to be there was indeed there, an I didn't notice any blemishes or damage. I
hung my spars and several ribs a few weeks ago and haven't done much since
because of the weather (rain).
Ok, ok... I'm getting to it... with a break in the weather, I went to the
hangar today to do some work and found what looks like a crack. I didn't
notice this before, but it was pretty obvious today. It actually looks lie
someone was careless with a blade (not me, I'm sure of that... was very
careful). It extends from the top or the spar, around the corner to the
front side of the spar, across the grain. I've seen damage like this when
being careless with RC model wood and the like, but I know I've been very
careful with this stuff thus far, and the only time I used a blade was to
carefully remove the tape from the bundles. I placed the spar on the edge
of my work bench (scratch down) and applied pressure with my hand. The
scratch didn't seem to expand or open under pressure (notice I am calling it
a scratch now).
Anyhow, I wonder if it is just a scratch that wasn't very noticeable a few
weeks ago, but after a couple weeks of rain and humidity at looks worse than
it is. I can't tell for sure, and I'm sure that it is difficult to know by
looking at photos, but...
Opinions? Tips? Suggestions? Anything telling, like split against the
grain, etc? It looks like it may just be a shallow scratch that I may be
able to remove with light sanding, but it is hard to tell for sure, and I
hate to destroy the evidence before I get some expert eyes on the subject.
Thanks for looking.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263901#263901
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190051r_624.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190052r_120.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190053r_345.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190054r_922.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190060r_303.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190064r_195.jpg
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| Subject: | A few questions for Kurt Shipman about his Piet |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Good morning everyone,
We had a good day yesterday; we were able to get out and work on the
airplane for a while. We removed all the nails from the bottom sheet of
plywood on the fuselage. Next step is to get out to Dad's and pick up the
router, and we'll get that thing off the fuselage!
I came up with a few questions for Kurt Shipman about his Pietenpol....so
these are directed at Kurt, or anyone that has spoken with him that may know
the answers as well.
1. Can you provide some details on your fuel tank? How many gallons does it
hold? Did you weld it up, or did you have it welded up locally (I'd be
interested to find out where, as we are sort of in the area). How did you
arrive at your particular design?
2. Have you calculated what your GPH fuel burn is, or what your endurance is
on a full tank?
3. What empty weight did your Piet come in at?
4. Engine mount....did you go with the Pietenpol designed mount, a version
of William's basic mount as shown in the conversion manual, etc?
5. What models of instruments did you use? (e.g. airspeed, altimeter, RPM,
engine instruments)
Thanks, and have a good Sunday!
Ryan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | r.r.hall(at)cox.net |
Definitely looks like a crack. I would not use it for a spar as that
crack would probably just get bigger and bigger until it split off. If
they won't replace it you might be able to cut it out and splice it or
use it someplace else. It probably was a very tiny crack to begin with
and the variation in humidity and temps have already cracked it further.
It will just continue cracking unless you repair it.
Rodney
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 9:31 PM , K5YAC wrote:
> I know this is a long shot, but I'm trying to decide what I am looking
> at. I received my wood package from AS&S back in July, and opened it
> all up shortly after. It all looked to be in good condition, although
> I did not perform a thorough inspection until a few weeks ago.
> Everything I expected to be there was indeed there, an I didn't notice
> any blemishes or damage. I hung my spars and several ribs a few weeks
> ago and haven't done much since because of the weather (rain).
>
> Ok, ok... I'm getting to it... with a break in the weather, I went to
> the hangar today to do some work and found what looks like a crack. I
> didn't notice this before, but it was pretty obvious today. It
> actually looks lie someone was careless with a blade (not me, I'm sure
> of that... was very careful). It extends from the top or the spar,
> around the corner to the front side of the spar, across the grain.
> I've seen damage like this when being careless with RC model wood and
> the like, but I know I've been very careful with this stuff thus far,
> and the only time I used a blade was to carefully remove the tape from
> the bundles. I placed the spar on the edge of my work bench (scratch
> down) and applied pressure with my hand. The scratch didn't seem to
> expand or open under pressure (notice I am calling it a scratch now).
> Anyhow, I wonder if it is just a scratch that wasn't very noticeable a
> few weeks ago, but after a couple weeks of rain and humidity at looks
> worse than it is. I can't tell for sure, and I'm sure that it is
> difficult to know by looking at photos, but...
>
> Opinions? Tips? Suggestions? Anything telling, like split against
> the grain, etc? It looks like it may just be a shallow scratch that I
> may be able to remove with light sanding, but it is hard to tell for
> sure, and I hate to destroy the evidence before I get some expert eyes
> on the subject.
> Thanks for looking.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263901#263901
>
>
> Attachments:
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190051r_624.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190052r_120.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190053r_345.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190054r_922.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190060r_303.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9190064r_195.jpg
>
>
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
It sure looks like a crack to me. Being in the center of the spar, that
looks to be the are of highest stress, even with the doublers. I'd try
for a replacement first. Otherwise as others have mentioned, every time
you hit some turbulence, or occasionally at 02:00 AM it will cause an
anxiety attack. Its really a shame because it looks like an otherwise
beautiful board. As Jack mentioned, I'm sure you could find other
places to use it such as longerons. If Aircraft Spruce will replace it
I doubt they will want it back.
Ben Charvet
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/photo.php?pid=434359&id=1660958452
K5YAC wrote:
>
> I've attached 5 photos. I'm a web user, so I'm not sure how they come across
on the e-mail side. I assume... attached?
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263928#263928
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
Beautiful ship and great job! Really enjoyed following your build. This
would be a great site for anyone building their own Piet. Looking forward
to hearing your first flight reports!
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Bernie" <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
>
>
> Thanks Gene,
> I'm almost done -- just paint cowling and make wing struts. Looks
> like spring flying here in Gloucester, Mass. Here is a link to over
> 1000 photos of the 4 year project.
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/berniejr/sets/72157617340470074/
>
>
> Tom
> N666TB
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote:
>
>> > >
>>
>> Tom, your wings look great and I love the color! How far along on
>> your build are you? More photos? I bought my flying Piet, I didn't
>> build it and the only reason I not flying it today is I injured my
>> leg. It'll be a week or so before I'll be able to fly again and I'm
>> really tired of setting around. The weather here is slowly cooling
>> down and I'm excited about the upcoming winter flying. Only wish we
>> got more snow here so I could outfit the Piet with skies.
>> Gene Grounded in Tennessee
>> N502R
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Bernie"
>> > >
>> To:
>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
>>
>>
>>> Guys,
>>> Just a thought -- if you are still covering, you can do like I did
>>> and
>>> use fabric. I did this on the ailerons and elevators. The big
>>> disadvantage being you have to cut the fabric to remove them.
>>> Regards, Tom Bernie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote:
>>>
>>>> >>> >
>>>>
>>>> Gardiner, I haven't seen Jack's gap seals (knowing Jack I'm sure
>>>> they look great) however you might consider using "Sign" vinyl for
>>>> gap seals. Buy your vinyl from a sign shop (I was able to find a
>>>> color that matched my plane's color). Cut the vinyl into strips and
>>>> then remove the backing from half the width of each strip. Place
>>>> the glue sides of the two strips together and you end up having one
>>>> strip with a sticky side on one half of each side. That way you can
>>>> stick the strip to the top of the stabilizer, thread it thru the
>>>> slot and stick it to the bottom of the elevator. Ends up looking
>>>> great and lasts about forever.
>>>> I've used Duct tape before and I do like this better. Jack may have
>>>> had better results and I'm sure he'll give a us a good update.
>>>> Gene
>>>> N502R
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "airlion" <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
>>>> To:
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:24 PM
>>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> To Jack phillips. Jack, on your elevator gap seal did you put duck
>>>>> tape on the top or bottom or both sides? Also, did you gap seal
>>>>> the verticle stab. and rudder too? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>>> 07:49:00
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> 06:03:00
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
17:50:00
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | How will the vendor do? |
Number 2. is a smart move for Aircraft Spruce.
I make my living in the customer service business and I really enjoy seeing a company
do it right. Not many really understand good customer service. So I especially
enjoy seeing a company get an opportunity like this.
this is a fantastic opportunity for a company that is trying to "do it right".
Sadly, showing you're good at customer service is usually an "isolated" experience
between the company and just that one customer. Not much widespread benefit
since people usually only tell all their friends about the bad stuff. Not
this time. This is a public forum with a very targeted customer exposure.
A dream come true for any company wishing to stand out.
Technically, he has probably had this wood too long and they probably don't actually
need to replace it. I don't know.
But they can't lose by replacing it. Even if there is a question as to whether
this "crack" was there when it was shipped or if Mark is somehow responsible
(I have been to his shop and this is not his fault).
This will be interesting.
By the way, my experiences with Aircraft Spruce have been satisfactory. In fact,
I got a tube of EZ Turn sealant and some blue flexible and aluminun fuel line
and a Curtis quick drain valve (and a few other odds and ends) from them in
the mail just yesterday. I've already welded the aluminum tubing into my tank
(it's now an internal vent line) and installed the quick drain valve. Progress!
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Sep 20, 2009 7:58 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Opinions Please
>
>
>Mark, it certainly looks like a crack. With it being in the middle of the
>spar, I'd be hesitant to use it. Every time you find yourself flying in
>turbulence you'll be wondering if that spar will hold.
>
>Your options are:
>
>1. Try to determine if it is just a scratch - hopefully it is, and you can
>use it without worry
>
>2. Try to get AS&S to replace it (good luck)
>
>3. Cut it up into smaller pieces for use elsewhere in the project. If it
>is a 1" thick spar, you might be able to get some longeron material out of
>it (will require scarf joints unless your spar was as long as a longeron)
>
>One other possibility exists. If it is truly in the middle (and I'm
>assuming you are making a 3-piece wing), it will fall about where the lift
>struts attach. There are heavy 1/8" plywood doublers on both sides of the
>spar there. If you make those doublers longer than the plans require,
>spanning maybe a foot of spar on each side, and add doublers on the top and
>bottom edge of the spar, it might be capable of sustaining the loads. You'd
>want to run a quick stress analysis to make sure it would suffice, but my
>feeling is that it would probably be okay. I'd still try option (2) first.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Raleigh, NC
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
>Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 9:31 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Opinions Please
>
>
>I know this is a long shot, but I'm trying to decide what I am looking at.
>I received my wood package from AS&S back in July, and opened it all up
>shortly after. It all looked to be in good condition, although I did not
>perform a thorough inspection until a few weeks ago. Everything I expected
>to be there was indeed there, an I didn't notice any blemishes or damage. I
>hung my spars and several ribs a few weeks ago and haven't done much since
>because of the weather (rain).
>
>Ok, ok... I'm getting to it... with a break in the weather, I went to the
>hangar today to do some work and found what looks like a crack. I didn't
>notice this before, but it was pretty obvious today. It actually looks lie
>someone was careless with a blade (not me, I'm sure of that... was very
>careful). It extends from the top or the spar, around the corner to the
>front side of the spar, across the grain. I've seen damage like this when
>being careless with RC model wood and the like, but I know I've been very
>careful with this stuff thus far, and the only time I used a blade was to
>carefully remove the tape from the bundles. I placed the spar on the edge
>of my work bench (scratch down) and applied pressure with my hand. The
>scratch didn't seem to expand or open under pressure (notice I am calling it
>a scratch now).
>
>Anyhow, I wonder if it is just a scratch that wasn't very noticeable a few
>weeks ago, but after a couple weeks of rain and humidity at looks worse than
>it is. I can't tell for sure, and I'm sure that it is difficult to know by
>looking at photos, but...
>
>Opinions? Tips? Suggestions? Anything telling, like split against the
>grain, etc? It looks like it may just be a shallow scratch that I may be
>able to remove with light sanding, but it is hard to tell for sure, and I
>hate to destroy the evidence before I get some expert eyes on the subject.
>
>Thanks for looking.
>
>--------
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
My suspicions are being confirmed. I know it is hard to tell for sure, but since
there is no way of knowing the extent of the damage (short of an MRI) I am
inclined to replace it, one way or another.
I am fortunate to have Roger White and other knowledgeable folks in my chapter...
I may ask a couple of them to stop by before the meeting tomorrow night and
have a look, just as a last ditch effort at ideas and suggestions. Ahem! Jim,
I said meeting tomorrow night. Ha ha! I know, it's a long drive.
I appreciate the input. I'll certainly be offering the photos to AS&S for consideration
and their recommendation. Meanwhile, I'll grab one of the spars intended
for the other wing panel and press on. Hopefully I'll have a replacement
in the shop before I need to frame up the other half.
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| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I agree with you Jim... I've had "ok" service thus far with AS&S, but this will
be a great opportunity for them to redeem themselves, and perhaps repair relations
with at least part of this group. As I've mentioned in other posts, I was
not very happy with their estimated vs actual shipping times on my wood order
(more than twice as long), and ~10% of my capstrip order was twisted or badly
bowed.
I'll give them a chance to take a look at this damage. I too thought that a July
order might be a bit to long ago to consider their assistance, but as another
fellow pointed out yesterday, it isn't that long ago when you consider how
long these things take to build. Some of this material may sit here untouched
for a couple of years. I do see your point though, whereas it has had plenty
of time to sit around and potentially be damaged. Not the case here, I am pretty
certain of that. I'll be sure to include photos of my wood storage area
to accompany my claim. They can at least see that the parts weren't just thrown
in the corner.
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
Yes, I know...EAA meeting tomorrow evening!
And I'll be in Rapid City, SD this week. :-( Not a bad place to be at all but..it
ain't home!
But hey, a LOT of Pietenpol building in Northeastern Oklahoma got done this past
weekend!
-----Original Message-----
>From: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net>
>Sent: Sep 20, 2009 11:04 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Opinions Please
>
>
>My suspicions are being confirmed. I know it is hard to tell for sure, but since
there is no way of knowing the extent of the damage (short of an MRI) I am
inclined to replace it, one way or another.
>
>I am fortunate to have Roger White and other knowledgeable folks in my chapter...
I may ask a couple of them to stop by before the meeting tomorrow night and
have a look, just as a last ditch effort at ideas and suggestions. Ahem! Jim,
I said meeting tomorrow night. Ha ha! I know, it's a long drive.
>
>I appreciate the input. I'll certainly be offering the photos to AS&S for consideration
and their recommendation. Meanwhile, I'll grab one of the spars intended
for the other wing panel and press on. Hopefully I'll have a replacement
in the shop before I need to frame up the other half.
>
>--------
>Mark - working on wings
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=263954#263954
>
>
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| Subject: | Mike Cuy's drawings |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
I was poking around through the archives this morning, trying to see if
there was any mention of sketches that Mike C. had made of his fuel tank
installation. I thought I had viewed them on the net at some point, but I
believe they are also on the DVD, so I wasn't sure. I found a post from Feb
'01 where Carl Loar mentions putting drawings that Mike had sent him up on
his website. Unfortunately that site is long gone off the internets. Just
for the heck of it I looked up Carl's old site address on the Internet
Archive's 'Wayback Machine'; lo and behold I found an archived copy of his
site with those drawings. There are a couple fuel tanks sketches, a trim
system sketch, leading/trailing edge cuts, etc.
I took the liberty of posting them up on my Flickr acct.; you can find them
here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmueller23/sets/72157622417363962/
Mike, I am assuming this is not a problem, as these drawings were made
publicly available on Carl's site before. If it is, just let me know.
Have a good day!
Ryan
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Upper motor mount/wing brace question |
I'm in the final assembly stages, and have a question for the group. I
made my upper motor mount braces per the plans, and drilled all the
holes except the motor mount hole as 3/16 for AN-3 bolts. I've made
some temporary wing braces (I'll wait to make the permanent ones after
weight and balance). The plans seem to call for an AN-3 bolt on the
motor mount end, and that seems a little light. What have you guys used?
Ben Charvet
still hoping to fly this year
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
Mark, In the past I have delt directly with Jim Irwn (owner of AS&S) on
several problems and have found him extremely cooperative and even thou it
may have taken several e-mails to get my point across, he always came thru.
If it were me, the first person that said "no" to me, I would ask to speak
to Jim Irwn directly. I use to have his e-mail address but can't seem to
find it right now. If I find it I will forward it to you, if you wish.
Gene in rainy Tennessee
N502R
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
I concur, it looks like a crack to me.- Possibly caused during the planin
g of the edge, by a jointer.- I have done that on cabinets by feeding the
wood with too much speed,(or a dull cutting knife)-the blade catches the
grain and splits it.- Send it back, or use it elsewhere in the airframe.
- As long as the crack is not in pieces cut from it it will be fine for u
se in the tail etc.
-
Shad
-
P.S. A.S.S. should make it right.- They offered to help us with the carb
heat box that broke apart, but we just welded it back togeather, instead of
missing out on another month of flying, waiting for all hassle of shipping
and turn around time.=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Upper motor mount/wing brace question |
Ben I think I used AN4's at both ends
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 12:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Upper motor mount/wing brace question
I'm in the final assembly stages, and have a question for the group. I
made my upper motor mount braces per the plans, and drilled all the
holes except the motor mount hole as 3/16 for AN-3 bolts. I've made
some temporary wing braces (I'll wait to make the permanent ones after
weight and balance). The plans seem to call for an AN-3 bolt on the
motor mount end, and that seems a little light. What have you guys used?
Ben Charvet
still hoping to fly this year
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I was back at the hangar today making wood shavings when along came our resident
A&P/IA to take a look at my spar. I spoke to him about it yesterday, so he
brought a bright light and a magnifying lens. No doubt about it, it is cracked.
He advised me not to use the spar and said that he would back me up with AS&S
if they don't seem open to helping me replace it.
Shad, he too thought that it looked like damage caused during the planing process.
The spar also has a slight bend to it, centering right about the area of
the fracture. It really isn't too noticeable at a glance, and I may have just
thought that it was sagging under it's own weight a bit when on the wing jig,
but we turned it over and it was still there (sagging upward). It is very slight,
but noticeable when looking down the length.
Clif, you too are correct in stating that the crack goes further to the left than
I originally indicated. I didn't notice it yesterday, but we followed it along
the grain for several inches. Good eye to catch that in the photo.
When I received my order, some of the packaging was damaged (torn open) on the
plywood package. Looked like someone drug forklift forks across it. When I opened
the package there was a very slight scuff on my high dollar plywood... not
happy about that, but it was so slight that I figured I'd just sand it off
by hand. It just makes me wonder how the rest of the occurred, and if there is
any other damage, I hope I catch it.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Thanks for the info Gene. Let's see how they do tomorrow. I'll keep you guys
posted.
Mark in sunny Oklahoma (
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Mike Cuy's sketches |
Dear Ryan,
Thank you for not only finding those Carl Loar postings but for putting them on
Flickr. Last I heard is that Carl was selling his Corvair powered Pietenpol
due to poor health issues. Bill Poiry (spelling ?) near Toledo was Carl's mentor
and best I could tell Carl was a stunt double of Chuck Gantzer but was
a very heavy smoker so I'm not sure if Carl is with us anymore. It did not sound
good for Carl the last I spoke with him and Carl was probably about
my age-- maybe a little younger--- mid 40's by now perhaps ?
Bottom line is that I have a folder of sketch-scans that I can forward to Ryan
or whomever wants to put them up (like marriage--for better, or for worse)
on the web. I don't want a dime for them but if you can benefit from these Tony
Bingelis-inspired drawings and sketches I will forward that photo folder
to whom ever wants to post it or needs it.
Also-- I did a walk-around Pietnepol photo thing for Mike Perez here at work and
THAT IS ALSO available ---the whole folder for anyone who wants to
post it on Flickr or whatever other photo web posting site you might prefer. I
have one folder called Piet Pics and another called Piet Sketches.
You tell me what you want and I will send it to you. ( via-email only--if you
want a CD THAT will cost you something. )
Mike C.
I want everyone to have access to my photos and sketches free of charge so this
is not a money making offer--- I have made enough gas and oil
money off of my goofy video to help defray the costs of those things.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
| From: | Lloyd Smith <lesmith240(at)gmail.com> |
Mark, one other option, and not one to consider until all other options have
been expended, would it be possible to cut out the damage and scarf the
remaining good parts to make a serviceable spar? No one wants this in a new
build, only as a repair, but as Jack pointed out, the splice might be in the
general location of the lift strut ply face plates and not be that difficult
a repair. Of course this is taking into account that you had the foresight
to order your spar blanks somewhat longer than required. However it works
out, I wish you the best outcome possible. This is a reality check big
time.
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 4:56 PM, K5YAC wrote:
>
> I was back at the hangar today making wood shavings when along came our
> resident A&P/IA to take a look at my spar. I spoke to him about it
> yesterday, so he brought a bright light and a magnifying lens. No doubt
> about it, it is cracked. He advised me not to use the spar and said that he
> would back me up with AS&S if they don't seem open to helping me replace it.
>
> Shad, he too thought that it looked like damage caused during the planing
> process. The spar also has a slight bend to it, centering right about the
> area of the fracture. It really isn't too noticeable at a glance, and I may
> have just thought that it was sagging under it's own weight a bit when on
> the wing jig, but we turned it over and it was still there (sagging upward).
> It is very slight, but noticeable when looking down the length.
>
> Clif, you too are correct in stating that the crack goes further to the
> left than I originally indicated. I didn't notice it yesterday, but we
> followed it along the grain for several inches. Good eye to catch that in
> the photo.
>
> When I received my order, some of the packaging was damaged (torn open) on
> the plywood package. Looked like someone drug forklift forks across it.
> When I opened the package there was a very slight scuff on my high dollar
> plywood... not happy about that, but it was so slight that I figured I'd
> just sand it off by hand. It just makes me wonder how the rest of the
> occurred, and if there is any other damage, I hope I catch it.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264001#264001
>
>
--
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | cable waging info/data |
In an old EAA publication called "Aircraft Homebuilding Tips volume 1 file number
6" , on page 34, published in 1967, is a good chart showing the various measurements
for 1/16" to 5/32" nicropress sleeves including the min/max compression
specs for each size.
1/16" min .190 max .195
3/32" min .255 max .265
1/8" min .343 max .353
5/32" min .380 max .390
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| Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Yes, the spars did come in a bit oversize (14'), but I've already already cut this
one (and another one) to 13' 5", which is what I needed.
No, I'm not really interested in making splices and such... I am building a new
airplane, I paid for new materials and one way or another I intend to use a good,
non-repaired spar.
I will be paying very close attention to the rest of the parts. I hate this feeling
of uncertainty. Reality check indeed.
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
| From: | Robert Ray <rray032003(at)gmail.com> |
Looks a little weird, the stress line cuts across
the growth rings, I would have to ask for a refund
and as far as a splice I would trust a proper splice
more than the flaw, this may have happened when the tree was cut down it was
tortured a few minutes
as the tree was coming down and hitting the ground.
I've heard of this before.
The grouth rings seem well with in the 1 to 16 run
out tolerance.
Ask that they send you a new spar maybe you can
use the rest for not as critical parts.
Russell
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:55 PM, K5YAC wrote:
>
> Yes, the spars did come in a bit oversize (14'), but I've already already
> cut this one (and another one) to 13' 5", which is what I needed.
>
> No, I'm not really interested in making splices and such... I am building a
> new airplane, I paid for new materials and one way or another I intend to
> use a good, non-repaired spar.
>
> I will be paying very close attention to the rest of the parts. I hate
> this feeling of uncertainty. Reality check indeed.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264046#264046
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Marquart Charger |
| From: | Robert Ray <rray032003(at)gmail.com> |
The firewall looks like a polished mirrow, I believe he said 22 year plus o
r
minus a year or two to complete.
Russell
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Doug Dever wr
ote:
> Jack,
>
> Had a similar experience when I got a little time in an AT-6 with Dick
> Schwab. People in NE ohio might remember him. When doing the preflight
and
> checking the oil I asked how much should be in there? He said 8-10. I sa
id
> quarts? he said no, gallons.
>
> On another note when we got in and took off he told me to help him watch
> for traffic as he had promised a fly by. When he asked if I was ready I
> looked down at the airport. We were only about 1/2 mile from the end of
the
> runway and at 200agl. I said sure. He pointed the thing down at about
> 50deg and when we went screaming past the terminal bldg we were doing 260
mph
> (well past redline). I asked him if the a.s. indicator was accurate. he
> said not to worry as they used to dive them to 320 all the time during WW
II!
>
> He let me fly it all the back to Kent. On of the most exciting flights
> I've had. Unless you count the engine failure and 2 inflight fires and t
he
> rock I hit on floats at about 25kts. But, that's not the knid of excitem
ent
> I like;-)
>
> Doug Dever
> In beautiful Stow Ohio
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Marquart Charger
> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:02:46 -0400
>
>
> Talking about the fuel flow in the Beech 18 reminds me of the time when
I
> was a young line boy at the airport, back in the 60=92s. A DC-3 came in
for
> fuel, and as I was up on the wing refueling it, the pilot asked me to che
ck
> the oil in the right engine. I found the door on the nacelle and unscrew
ed
> the dipstick. There was a mark labelled =9324=94 and one at 22, and the
oil
> level was right in between them. I yelled down to the pilot =93You=92ve
got 23
> quarts.=94
>
>
> He said =93Quarts? You mean gallons. Goa ahead and put another gallon i
n
> it.=94 Thus it is in the world of radial engines.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Hofmann
> *Sent:* Friday, September 18, 2009 11:32 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Marquart Charger
>
>
> Yes, that is Jeff Moore from Anderson, Indiana. He flew his Hatz up to
> Brodhead with his daughter (she was in the seat next to me). He has a bla
ck
> and yellow Hatz that is always at the flyin before Oshkosh. Next to Jeff
was
> Diane Gilmore, wife of Mark (Charger builder). I think we were both in sh
ock
> at the fuel flow. Fritz Badertscher was in the right seat. Fritz is a dia
ry
> farmer a couple of miles away and was one of the Brodhead Airport founder
s.
> His hangar was the first one on the airport (legend says). Everyone who h
as
> been to Brodhead knows of his plane. Fritz has the red Cub that lives in
the
> open tee hangar next to the pavilion. I like Fritz. He is properly sized,
> like me. In fact he makes me look tall. Steve Thomas was in the left seat
.
> He and his wife Tina own the Poplar Grove operation.
>
>
> Do not arcive.
>
>
> John Hofmann
>
> Vice-President, Information Technology
>
> The Rees Group, Inc.
>
> 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
>
> Madison, WI 53718
>
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
>
> Fax: 608.443.2474
>
> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2009, at 8:15 AM, Jim Markle wrote:
>
>
> jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>
> That video is awesome. I gotta ask though, is that someone you know
> sitting in the rear seat on the Beech ride? If so, next time you talk to
> them please ask how the heck someone takes THAT ride WITHOUT a huge smile
on
> their face????
>
> That was neat, thanks for sharing.
>
> thanks
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: John Hofmann
> Sent: Sep 17, 2009 8:55 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Marquart Charger
>
> Hey Jack,
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Opinions Please |
It may seem weird when looking at the face but on the
edge you see it flows right down the grain. Also if you
really look at the grain in that area it has quite a jog in it.
Even without the crack I would not been happy with it.
One thing about the lift strut attachment area is that
it is where the highest bending stress is from flight
loads. Bending loads concentrate at attachment
points.
Clif
Looks a little weird, the stress line cuts across
the growth rings, as far as a splice I would trust a proper splice
more than the flaw, this may have happened when the tree was cut down
it was tortured a few minutes
as the tree was coming down and hitting the ground.
I've heard of this before.
Russell
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | sketches and photos |
Group,
I will not be mailing out CD's to individuals but rather thru the generosi
ty of Chris Tracy,
he has invited me to send him my batch of chicken-scratch sketches and some
photos that
he'll post to his fantastic Westcoast Piet site.
Chris will let us know when those are up and ready for viewing.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Follow up on the Aircraft Spruce wing spar...
I spoke to two individuals this morning. I did not get the first persons name
as we only spoke briefly, but upon explaining to her what I was calling for (without
a chance to offer much detail), she stated, oh, that is a freight claim.
I informed her that the packaging was not damaged in any way, and that according
to a few of the people that inspected the damage, they were of the opinion
that it looked like damage that might be caused by dull plainer blades, or
from feeding material too quickly. Her response was, as you know, we are VERY
meticulous with our wood products. There is no way we would have shipped a defective
part. I said, ok, that may very well be, but mistakes can be made and
I am just trying to describe the nature of the damage. She said, hang on a
second, then she promptly handed me off to another individual (Tawny Castillo).
While I was trying to explain my situation to Tawny, I hear the other woman
speaking under her breath its a freight claim... but I continued to describe
the situation. My conversation with Tawny proceeded like this...
Tawny: Did you sign for the shipment as damaged?
Me: No, the packaging on the wood kit was in tact and in good condition. I didn't
have any reason to suspect any damage, especially by the shipper. I have some
photos of the damage if you would like to have a look at the damage I am trying
to describe. (I did mention to her that the plywood carton was damaged,
so we opened it right away and inspected the contents, which looked to be in
good condition.)
Tawny: Well, if the shipment was signed for free and clear than there isn't much
we can do as far as filing a claim with UPS and ohhhh this material was delivered
way back in July.
Me: Yes, way back in July (2 months ago), but the packaging on this material was
not damaged in any way. Why would I have filed a freight damage claim? Also,
some of this material may not be used for many months, but... (interrupted)
Tawny: I can get you over to the order desk to place a new order for the part you
need.
Me: No, I would like to discuss the defective part I currently have.
She asked for the part number for the specific component, which I provided. She
tallied for a moment and stated (kind of to herself as she researched the part),
there would be a freight charge. I was wondering, is she talking to me?
She asked, you said that you have photos of the damage? I stated yes. She then
asked if I could e-mail them over for the customer service manager to take
a look and see if there is anything they can do. I told her I would... now I
am waiting for their response.
It is hard to illustrate their willingness to blame me and/or the shipper. I didnt
record the conversation, but I did take notes in order to capture the highlights
because I was afraid of this sort of reaction. They were ready for me
to just order another spar, something I will not be doing with them if it is
necessary. Perhaps they will come through.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264169#264169
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
E-mail message to Tawny Castillo (AS&S)
Tawny:
Ive attached a few photos (below) of the damage I found on the spar material we
spoke about earlier today. Fortunately, this damage happened to be right about
eye level when on my wing jig, otherwise it may have gone undetected. To me,
this damage looked like nothing more than a scratch, but since I was uncertain,
I called on several experienced builders to get their opinion. One of the
individuals that looked at the damage in person is an A&P with Inspector Authorization.
He inspected it closely under magnification and stated that he believes
that it is indeed a crack, and that the part should not be used. Furthermore,
this individual (and others) claim that the way this crack is distributed
against the grain on one face and with the grain on another, that it looks
reminiscent of the type of damage done from a dull plainer blade or from feeding
the material too quickly. Im not suggesting that this IS what happened, just
that a few experienced woodworkers and aircraft builders concur on this analysis.
I know that it is my responsibility to inspect and report any damage upon delivery
that may have occurred during shipping, but as I stated during our conversation,
the carton that contained the wood kit showed no signs of damage. In fact,
it was completely in tact and packaged very well. Furthermore, even though
I performed a preliminary inspection and inventory, some of this material may
not be used for many months, therefore some items may not get a close inspection
for some time. If this type of damage were found on a less critical part
I may just attempt a repair, or replace it on my next order, but this is a critical
and expensive component that I expected to be in good condition given
that it is certified material. I will be paying close attention to the remaining
parts.
Cordially,
Mark Chouinard
Owasso, Oklahoma
-----
I included the photos I posted on the other link for her to review. I hope they
are willing to assist.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264171#264171
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | West Coast Piet Get-together |
All,
Saturday we had our annual get-together (if you are a West Coast Builder or
owner and got left out, just e-mail me and you will be put on the list for
the next one), and had a great day! The event was hosted by Mike Weaver, at
his house, where his project was up-side-down getting a straight axle gear
installed. Chris Tracy went above and beyond getting his fuselage to the
event, too.
"At Mike's House": Ray Krause (Waiex builder/owner and now a Piet Builder),
Mike Hardaway (Piet Builder), Jim Boyer (Piet Builder), Darrel Jones (Piet
Builder), Mike Groah (Piet Builder), Gary Boothe (Piet Builder, and 15 ribs
done in case you didn't know), Mike Weaver (Piet Builder), Chris Tracy (Piet
Builder).
"In Front of Charlie's Piet": Mike Weaver, Mike Groah, Chris Tracy, Ray
Krause, Jim Boyer, Mike Hardaway, Darrel Jones, Charlie Miller (kneeling.
That's Charlie's beautiful Piet that he flew in on "his longest x-country
ever").
Three other pilots flew in other planes as pictured. BTW - is everyone
seeing those beautiful blue N. California skies?
Everyone professed to have a great time and we didn't once argue about the
pros & cons of Corvair vs. ho-hum...I mean Continentals or Fords.
Thanks, Mike, for all the work!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Hopefully Jim Irwin of Aircraft Spruce and Specialty read |
this post as it sounds like you're getting the run around from them--- can
you help this guy JIM ?
________________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of K5YAC [hangar10(at)cox.net]
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How will the vendor do?
Follow up on the Aircraft Spruce wing spar...
I spoke to two individuals this morning. I did not get the first person???s name
as we only spoke briefly, but upon explaining to her what I was calling for
(without a chance to offer much detail), she stated, ???oh, that is a freight
claim.??? I informed her that the packaging was not damaged in any way, and
that according to a few of the people that inspected the damage, they were of
the opinion that it looked like damage that might be caused by dull plainer blades,
or from feeding material too quickly. Her response was, ???as you know,
we are VERY meticulous with our wood products. There is no way we would have
shipped a defective part.??? I said, ???ok, that may very well be, but mistakes
can be made and I am just trying to describe the nature of the damage.???
She said, ???hang on a second???, then she promptly handed me off to another
individual (Tawny Castillo). While I was trying to explain my situation to Tawny,
I hear the other woman speaking under her breat!
h ???it???s a freight claim???... but I continued to describe the situation.
My conversation with Tawny proceeded like this...
Tawny: Did you sign for the shipment as damaged?
Me: No, the packaging on the wood kit was in tact and in good condition. I didn't
have any reason to suspect any damage, especially by the shipper. I have some
photos of the damage if you would like to have a look at the damage I am trying
to describe. (I did mention to her that the plywood carton was damaged,
so we opened it right away and inspected the contents, which looked to be in
good condition.)
Tawny: Well, if the shipment was signed for free and clear than there isn't much
we can do as far as filing a claim with UPS??? and??? ohhhh??? this material
was delivered way back in July.
Me: Yes, way back in July (2 months ago), but the packaging on this material was
not damaged in any way. Why would I have filed a freight damage claim? Also,
some of this material may not be used for many months, but... (interrupted)
Tawny: I can get you over to the order desk to place a new order for the part you
need.
Me: No, I would like to discuss the defective part I currently have.
She asked for the part number for the specific component, which I provided. She
tallied for a moment and stated (kind of to herself as she researched the part),
???there would be a freight charge.??? I was wondering, ???is she talking
to me???? She asked, ???you said that you have photos of the damage???? I
stated ???yes.??? She then asked if I could e-mail them over for the customer
service manager to take a look and see if there is anything they can do. I told
her I would... now I am waiting for their response.
It is hard to illustrate their willingness to blame me and/or the shipper. I didn???t
record the conversation, but I did take notes in order to capture the
highlights because I was afraid of this sort of reaction. They were ready for
me to just order another spar, something I will not be doing with them if it
is necessary. Perhaps they will come through.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264169#264169
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
Oscar,
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> you can sort of get an idea of the height of mine
> relative to the underside of the centersection here:
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P7090010.JPG
Out of curiousity, what kind of tailwheel is on 41CC?
Thanks,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
Raymond,
After sitting behind 8031's rear windshield for about 3 hours on Friday
I can safely say that I'd like the rear windshield to be a bit higher.
Having also ridden in the front, I think it's windshield is about high
enough (it's 1-2" higher than the rear). Here's a couple pictures that
shows the difference between the 2:
http://picasaweb.google.com/josh.lober/FlyingOnJuly112009?authkey=Gv1sRgCPWEqvy-3NHvrAE#5357451455011562418
and
http://picasaweb.google.com/josh.lober/FlyingOnJuly112009?authkey=Gv1sRgCPWEqvy-3NHvrAE#5357452075866978146
Cheers,
Dan
skellytown flyer wrote:
>
> Well it looks like I have got done with my working away from home for a couple
weeks and have some time to build.I think one project will be get the windshields
done and on my GN-1 I got from D.J. - I expect I'll go with a single curved
shield as opposed to a 3 piece but looking at the West Coast Piet site I have
seen everything from tall narrow ones to big fat wide almost vertical ones
to even a flat plate type.I am hoping some of you that have experience in flying
behind them can give me your take on what works best to give the least turbulence
yet minimal drag. they probably don't go well together but anyway-I'd
appreciate some advice. Raymond
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=262705#262705
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | not piet related, but still from 1929... |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
I was out in the back yard grilling some steaks Friday evening, and kept hearing
something with multiple radial engines invading my airspace. I looked up, and
saw a Ford TriMotor flying overhead. I went inside and did some quick Googling
and found out that the EAA's 1929 TriMotor was in town for the entire weekend
at Frasca Field about 4 miles from my house in Urbana, IL. So Saturday I
hopped on my motorcycle and rode over there with my camera and snapped a few
(187) photos of the TriMotor and some of the Frasca warbird collection that was
out for viewing. Here's a link the the album on the photobucket site.
http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff297/billmz/Ford%20Trimotor/
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, Il
tail feathers almost done
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264266#264266
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| Subject: | Re: not piet related, but still from 1929... |
| From: | Robert Ray <rray032003(at)gmail.com> |
Nice pictures, thanks for posting, I think Ford got after aviation when a
friend
of his got killed in the Fliver, I think that was the name of the plane.
Wooden single seat low wing that the Ford factory built.
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Billy McCaskill wrote:
>
> I was out in the back yard grilling some steaks Friday evening, and kept
> hearing something with multiple radial engines invading my airspace. I
> looked up, and saw a Ford TriMotor flying overhead. I went inside and did
> some quick Googling and found out that the EAA's 1929 TriMotor was in town
> for the entire weekend at Frasca Field about 4 miles from my house in
> Urbana, IL. So Saturday I hopped on my motorcycle and rode over there with
> my camera and snapped a few (187) photos of the TriMotor and some of the
> Frasca warbird collection that was out for viewing. Here's a link the the
> album on the photobucket site.
>
> http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff297/billmz/Ford%20Trimotor/
>
> Billy McCaskill
> Urbana, Il
> tail feathers almost done
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264266#264266
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: sketches and photos |
| From: | Robert Ray <rray032003(at)gmail.com> |
Bring me a CD to Lee Bottom please?
I'll be weraing a Jim Beam hat, I don't drink that much it was a cheap hat.
I'll have a 20 dollar bill for you if you got any left that is if not thats
ok.
Russell
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] wrote:
> Group,
>
> I will not be mailing out CD=92s to individuals but rather thru the
> generosity of Chris Tracy,
> he has invited me to send him my batch of chicken-scratch sketches and so
me
> photos that
> he=92ll post to his fantastic Westcoast Piet site.
>
> Chris will let us know when those are up and ready for viewing.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> *
>
===========
===========
===========
===========
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Dan; the tailwheel on 41CC is a Scott. I can send
you pix of the tailwheel setup if they would be useful.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Dan; the tailwheel on 41CC is a Scott. I can send
> you pix of the tailwheel setup if they would be useful.
Mine is supposedly a Scott, too, but it's not a fully castoring
tailwheel. Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. Here's a fuzzy
picture to show what I mean:
http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2592
The arms are attached to the rudder with the springs and those prevent
it from castoring fully.
Jeez, AS&S wants a kings ransom for a new Scott 2000 assembly: $1837.65
for the full deal and still over $1100 for everything up to the hub and
wheel. Think I'll make due with my homemade triangular tailwheel dolly
thinga-ma-jig.
Thanks,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
Dan:
If you are looking for a nice, fully castering tailwheel unit that won't
break the bank, check out the ones that Ken Perkins has available. I
don't have my price list here at the office but as I recall it was a lot
closer to $500 than $1,000. Anyway, there are a couple of good photos
posted on my build site at this link.
http://www.eaa1344.com/Projects/Stinemetze/Gear.htm
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim Irwin Call |
Mark,
=C2-
Mr. Jim Irwin is a frequent reader of many aircraft web sites such as this
one. I would personally address a call to him and explain your situation.
=C2-
I have spoken within him the past on issues I have had with product. It=C2
-has been=C2-my experience he maintains the=C2- "solution to the prob
lem" attitude which keeps me using AS&S often. Please mention to him you ar
e on the Pietenpol web site.
=C2-
This needs to be taken directly to the top and side step those who can't ma
ke the decision or read from a q-card.
=C2-
Sincerely,
=C2-
Village Idiot...
=C2-
--- On Mon, 9/21/09, K5YAC wrote:
From: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How will the vendor do?
Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 1:02 PM
E-mail message to Tawny Castillo (AS&S)
Tawny:
I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2ve attached a few photos (below) of the damage I f
ound on the spar material we spoke about earlier today.=C2- Fortunately,
this damage happened to be right about eye level when on my wing jig, other
wise it may have gone undetected.=C2- To me, this damage looked like noth
ing more than a scratch, but since I was uncertain, I called on several exp
erienced builders to get their opinion.=C2- One of the individuals that l
ooked at the damage in person is an A&P with Inspector Authorization.=C2-
He inspected it closely under magnification and stated that he believes th
at it is indeed a crack, and that the part should not be used.=C2- Furthe
rmore, this individual (and others) claim that the way this crack is distri
buted against the grain on one face and with the grain on another, that it
looks reminiscent of the type of damage done from a dull plainer blade or f
rom feeding the material too quickly.=C2- I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2m not
suggesting that this IS what happened, just that
a few experienced woodworkers and air!
craft builders concur on this analysis.=C2-
I know that it is my responsibility to inspect and report any damage upon d
elivery that may have occurred during shipping, but as I stated during our
conversation, the carton that contained the wood kit showed no signs of dam
age.=C2- In fact, it was completely in tact and packaged very well.=C2-
Furthermore, even though I performed a preliminary inspection and inventor
y, some of this material may not be used for many months, therefore some it
ems may not get a close inspection for some time.=C2- If this type of dam
age were found on a less critical part I may just attempt a repair, or repl
ace it on my next order, but this is a critical and expensive component tha
t I expected to be in good condition given that it is certified material.
=C2- I will be paying close attention to the remaining parts.
Cordially,
Mark Chouinard
Owasso, Oklahoma
-----
I included the photos I posted on the other link for her to review.=C2- I
hope they are willing to assist.
--------
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t
S WEB FORUMS -
on Web Site -
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Per Ken's latest price list:
Tail wheel assy with mounting fittings 430.00
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 2:01 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
> *Dan:*
> **
> *If you are looking for a nice, fully castering tailwheel unit that won'tbreak
the bank, check out the ones that Ken Perkins has available. I don't
> have my price list here at the office but as I recall it was a lot closer to
> $500 than $1,000. Anyway, there are a couple of good photos posted on my
> build site at this link.*
> http://www.eaa1344.com/Projects/Stinemetze/Gear.htm
>
> *Tom Stinemetze*
> *McPherson, KS.*
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Tom,
Are you sure Ken's tailwheel is full-castoring, and not just steerable?
Ryan
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 2:01 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
> *Dan:*
> **
> *If you are looking for a nice, fully castering tailwheel unit that won'tbreak
the bank, check out the ones that Ken Perkins has available. I don't
> have my price list here at the office but as I recall it was a lot closer to
> $500 than $1,000. Anyway, there are a couple of good photos posted on my
> build site at this link.*
> http://www.eaa1344.com/Projects/Stinemetze/Gear.htm
>
> *Tom Stinemetze*
> *McPherson, KS.*
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Jim Irwin Call |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Thanks for the suggestion KM, I'll consider that if I get much run around. At
the moment, the customer support team seems to be making an attempt to study the
situation. I'm not in a huge hurry for this particular part, so I'll allow
them some time to maneuver. If it starts to look like they are unwilling to
correct the situation, then I will take measures to step it up a notch.
I made a comment to one of the customer support ladies today that I may have to
inform Mr. Irwin of my situation if I can't get someone to take the matter seriously.
About 5 minutes later I received a call back from the Customer Service
Manager. She seemed to be at least interested in reviewing the photos and
such, so I'll give a bit more time.
Maybe someone will call tomorrow with a solution.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | West Coast Piet Get-together |
Gary Boothe-thanks for posting some good photos that help put names to face
s. Mike Hardaway looks to be a West
Coast version of our East Coast Piet's Jack Phillips, minus the mustache.
They sure look to be about the same height.
Didn't you fly F-4 Phantoms Mike H ? I recall visiting with you offlist
several times. Would be great to meet all
you infidels someday. Gary showed up and we didn't boot him out of Brodh
ead. Darrel Jones, Mike Groah,
Jim boyer, and Chris Tracy-good to see who is who.
So Charlie Miller's Piet that he flew in-is that Ford powered ? Couldn't
tell from the photo. Also you say it was
Charlie's "longest cross country" ? Could you elaborate any ?
Thank you for posting-
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
Ryan:
Yes, it is full castoring and steerable. There is a spring loaded pin
that pops into a detent in the shaft. After a certain amount of side
pressure the pin lets go and the wheel will swivel a full 360 degrees.
I'm still in the pre-flying stage so can't tell you how well it works in
practice but I know that Ken has one on his own Piet.
Tom
>>> Ryan Mueller 9/22/2009 2:20 PM >>>
Tom,
Are you sure Ken's tailwheel is full-castoring, and not just steerable?
Ryan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Matco is full castoring and only $149,
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/lg/tailwheels_matco.html
Rick
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
>
> Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>>
>> Dan; the tailwheel on 41CC is a Scott. I can send
>> you pix of the tailwheel setup if they would be useful.
>>
>
> Mine is supposedly a Scott, too, but it's not a fully castoring tailwheel.
> Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. Here's a fuzzy picture to show
> what I mean:
>
> http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2592
>
> The arms are attached to the rudder with the springs and those prevent it
> from castoring fully.
>
> Jeez, AS&S wants a kings ransom for a new Scott 2000 assembly: $1837.65 for
> the full deal and still over $1100 for everything up to the hub and wheel.
> Think I'll make due with my homemade triangular tailwheel dolly
> thinga-ma-jig.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Just a short to keep any interested parties posted...
I called to speak to Tawny today, but she was out for the day. I did get to speak
to Brenda, who was very nice. She wasn't familiar with the whole story, but
in just a few seconds she pulled up some notes and seemed to be concerned about
my situation. She wasn't sure what she could do on the matter because it
seemed (according to the notes) that Tawny and the production manager were looking
into things. Supposedly Tawny had attempted to forward the photos to the
production manager, but he replied (after she had left for the day), stating
that he did not receive the photos. Not a huge snag, but since I sent the photos
at 9am (CA time), nothing at all had been done to look into my situation.
At this point, I made reference to Mr. Irwin being copied on future correspondence
due to the lack of communication on their end. Brenda (who was pleasant
and concerned during the entire conversation) said she was going to speak to
her manager and someone would get back to me.
5 minutes later my phone rang... it was Carolyn, the Customer Service Manager.
She too seemed concerned about the situation. She was going to have someone
get on Tawny's computer and forward the photos to the other parties involved.
... ... ... Breaking ... ... ... Update ... ... ...
As I was typing this, I received a call from Tawny. I guess she came in to the
office this afternoon. She asked, "is someone taking care of the situation for
you?" and I said, "well, I'm not sure yet, but I did get a call from Carolyn
a little while ago." She said, "yeah, I came in and several people said (to
her) "hey, everyone was looking for you" so I was wondering who all you may
have talked to." She described it as quite a scuttlebutt. I said, "that's awesome!"
She said, "ok, well, I'll get with Joe (I think she said Joe... I'm assuming
he is the production manager) after he gets back from lunch and see what
he thinks about the photos.
At least there are signs of life, right?
--------
Mark - working on wings
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264373#264373
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
At the risk of having a hex put on me I'm going to put in my .02. Why does
it have to be full castoring? by having it direct steered you have much m
ore authority in a xwind. Most airplanes with the wheel on the wrong end d
on't swivel. With only a few lbs on the tailwheel wouldn't it be easy to j
ust pick it up if you need to park in a tight place. The Sonex (Go ahead h
it me...or hex me) has direct steering and with a few hundred flying I'd sa
y it works. (John Monnett doesn't believe in differential braking.)
Also I've seen a couple of pictures of tailwheels steered with a linkage t
o the rudder. According to Don pietenpol this is a no no. Puts too much s
trees on the rudder spar. I would agree. It should be linked directly to
the rudder bar.
OK=2C you can put a hex on me me now. I'm done. Just kidding. But=2C I t
hink it is food for thought.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Date: Tue=2C 22 Sep 2009 14:37:49 -0500
From: TOMS(at)mcpcity.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tailwheels
Ryan:
Yes=2C it is full castoring and steerable. There is a spring loaded pin th
at pops into a detent in the shaft. After a certain amount of side pressur
e the pin lets go and the wheel will swivel a full 360 degrees. I'm still
in the pre-flying stage so can't tell you how well it works in practice but
I know that Ken has one on his own Piet.
Tom
>>> Ryan Mueller 9/22/2009 2:20 PM >>>
Tom=2C
Are you sure Ken's tailwheel is full-castoring=2C and not just steerable?
Ryan
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| From: | r.r.hall(at)cox.net |
| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
Namedropper :-) Hope it all works out.
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 4:33 PM , K5YAC wrote:
> Just a short to keep any interested parties posted...
>
> I called to speak to Tawny today, but she was out for the day. I did
> get to speak to Brenda, who was very nice. She wasn't familiar with
> the whole story, but in just a few seconds she pulled up some notes
> and seemed to be concerned about my situation. She wasn't sure what
> she could do on the matter because it seemed (according to the notes)
> that Tawny and the production manager were looking into things.
> Supposedly Tawny had attempted to forward the photos to the production
> manager, but he replied (after she had left for the day), stating that
> he did not receive the photos. Not a huge snag, but since I sent the
> photos at 9am (CA time), nothing at all had been done to look into my
> situation. At this point, I made reference to Mr. Irwin being copied
> on future correspondence due to the lack of communication on their
> end. Brenda (who was pleasant and concerned during the entire
> conversation) said she was going to speak to her manager and someone
> would get back to me.
>
> 5 minutes later my phone rang... it was Carolyn, the Customer Service
> Manager. She too seemed concerned about the situation. She was going
> to have someone get on Tawny's computer and forward the photos to the
> other parties involved.
>
> ... ... ... Breaking ... ... ... Update ... ... ...
>
> As I was typing this, I received a call from Tawny. I guess she came
> in to the office this afternoon. She asked, "is someone taking care
> of the situation for you?" and I said, "well, I'm not sure yet, but I
> did get a call from Carolyn a little while ago." She said, "yeah, I
> came in and several people said (to her) "hey, everyone was looking
> for you" so I was wondering who all you may have talked to." She
> described it as quite a scuttlebutt. I said, "that's awesome!" She
> said, "ok, well, I'll get with Joe (I think she said Joe... I'm
> assuming he is the production manager) after he gets back from lunch
> and see what he thinks about the photos.
> At least there are signs of life, right?
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264373#264373
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | castoring vs. steerable |
I had some very dangerous moments with my "Homebuilder's Special" tailwheel
that I bought from Wicks or ACS
as it came out of steerable mode way too easy.
I nearly ground looped the airplane twice and lest I poured the coals to it
and went around the plane would have been
a total wreck before having 3 hours on it.
I took the tailwheel apart and Dremel-tooled out the detent where the cam t
ype affair makes it go from steerable to
full swivel. If I need to push the plane backwards I simply grab the tail
spring and lift up, pull where I want it. Very light
back there.
Most Scott's and Maule's work okay and don't suddenly go into full swivel j
ust as you touch down but if you jab the rudder
hard and you come out of detent-lookout. Add power to get your rudder wi
nd going and go around. Scary stuff if it comes
out of full swivel too easily.
There is a spring loaded pin that pops into a detent in the shaft. After a
certain amount of side pressure the pin lets go and the wheel will swivel
a full 360 degrees. I'm still in the pre-flying stage so can't tell you ho
w well it works in practice but I know that Ken has one on his own Piet.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I'm also a money dropper (as we all are), so they will hopefully give the situation
proper consideration.
Say that 5 times.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264380#264380
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| From: | "mike" <bike.mike(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | West Coast Piet Get-together |
I'm flattered. That's the first straightforward compliment I've gotten in
my years on this list. Thanks Mike.
Looks are about the end of similarity, though. I can talk the talk, but
Jack actually walks the walk.
The WCP meet was very inspiring. We got to see two projects at a good stage
and a beautifully done flying Piet.
I was fired up enough to cut some control horn metal when I got home.
Mike Hardaway
(I'm taller than Jack)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet Get-together
Gary Boothe-thanks for posting some good photos that help put names to
faces. Mike Hardaway looks to be a West
Coast version of our East Coast Piet's Jack Phillips, minus the mustache.
They sure look to be about the same height.
Didn't you fly F-4 Phantoms Mike H ? I recall visiting with you offlist
several times. Would be great to meet all
you infidels someday. Gary showed up and we didn't boot him out of
Brodhead. Darrel Jones, Mike Groah,
Jim boyer, and Chris Tracy-good to see who is who.
So Charlie Miller's Piet that he flew in-is that Ford powered ? Couldn't
tell from the photo. Also you say it was
Charlie's "longest cross country" ? Could you elaborate any ?
Thank you for posting-
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: castoring vs. steerable |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Mike Cuy,
My tailwheel as designed is full swivel/not steerable. In your opinion, is
this not advised? Wouldn't the slipstream keep that wheel in line with th
e line of flight, and theoretically be not a hazard upon touchdown?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 22, 2009 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
net>
Sounds like "full swivel castoring" is inviting something else to go wrong
.
econd, swinging the plane by hand when stopped is easy, for it's light, as
Mike
oints out, if you have handles or want to grab some of the tailwheel gear.
im in central TX
o not archive
-----Original Message-----
rom: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
ent: Sep 22, 2009 4:57 PM
o: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
ubject: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
I had some very dangerous moments with my =9CHomebuilder=99s
Special=9D tailwheel that
bought from Wicks or ACS
s it came out of steerable mode way too easy.
nearly ground looped the airplane twice and lest I poured the coals to it
and
ent around the plane would have been
total wreck before having 3 hours on it.
took the tailwheel apart and Dremel-tooled out the detent where the cam
type
ffair makes it go from steerable to
ull swivel. If I need to push the plane b
ackwards I simply grab the tail
pring and lift up, pull where I want it. Very light
ack there.
ost Scott=99s and Maule=99s work okay and don=99t sudden
ly go into full swivel just
s you touch down but if you jab the rudder
ard and you come out of detent=94lookout. Add power to get your
rudder wind
oing and go around. Scary stuff if it comes out of full swivel too easi
ly.
here is a spring loaded pin that pops into a detent in the shaft. After
a
ertain amount of side pressure the pin lets go and the wheel will swivel
a full
60 degrees. I'm still in the pre-flying stage so can't tell you how well
it
orks in practice but I know that Ken has one on his own Piet.
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
Rick Holland wrote:
> Matco is full castoring and only $149,
I've heard rumor that the Matco's (or was that Maule...?) like to shimmy
during taxi. I've had enough experience with the Scott on the T-Craft I
got my tailwheel endorsement in that I like it and it takes quite a lot
of side force to kick it out of the detent into full castoring mode.
The problem I have to deal with is that the tail of 8031 isn't all
*that* light, the original builder didn't put any sort of handle back
there, and there's a slight gravel and grass hill up to the hangar where
she's stored.
I made a dolly out of plywood and three 4" castoring wheels that the
tailwheel sits in and that works pretty well. For under $20, it works
pretty well and is a whole lot cheaper than buying a new Scott tailwheel.
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/lg/tailwheels_matco.html
>
> Rick
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Dan Yocum > wrote:
>
> >
>
>
>
> Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
> >
>
>
> Dan; the tailwheel on 41CC is a Scott. I can send
> you pix of the tailwheel setup if they would be useful.
>
>
> Mine is supposedly a Scott, too, but it's not a fully castoring
> tailwheel. Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. Here's a
> fuzzy picture to show what I mean:
>
> http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2592
>
> The arms are attached to the rudder with the springs and those
> prevent it from castoring fully.
>
> Jeez, AS&S wants a kings ransom for a new Scott 2000 assembly:
> $1837.65 for the full deal and still over $1100 for everything up to
> the hub and wheel. Think I'll make due with my homemade triangular
> tailwheel dolly thinga-ma-jig.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
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> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
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>
> *
>
>
> *
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Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? |
The plot thickens, possibly.
I have verified that putting the switch in the off position shuts the
engine down, so the mags aren't hot. That's a plus.
When at idle, switching between L, R, and Both, I can definitely tell
that there is an RPM drop, at least audibly. So why not at 1400RPM?
I'll check for a light show under the cowl as soon as I can...
Here's a question for the other A65 owners that may or may not be
related - are you guys able to redline your engines? I'll be darned if
I can get 2050 RPM in cruise even when leaning it out (mine has a Marvel
Schembler Carb with a mixture control), and no more than 17-1800RPM on
climb out.
Thanks everyone!
Dan
shad bell wrote:
> Might sound stupid, but check the resistance from the switch to the
> engine case (ground) Corrosion or bad wiring might be giving you the
> problems A megometer would be good for checking the p-leads for shorts,
> the high voltage of the megger will jump a pretty good gap. One other
> hillbilly sugestion, is to run it at night after dark (BE CAREFUL!!) and
> see if there is a light show under the cowling from a bad harness,
> faulty wire insulation etc. causing a "leak". Also one w.a.g. is that
> your switch might have bad isulation, causing a voltage drop/weak spark
> due to it partially shorting out. I also had one hell of an experiance
> years ago with an old tractor (IH Cub)with a batt ignition, where the
> condenser (capasitor) went bad and caused a weak spark, to where the
> tractor would not start, replaced it still would not start. Hours, and
> a few days of scratching my head, I had put the condenser in backwords
> (on the ground side, instead of the hot side) . I still got spark, but
> a very weak spark. After I put it on right it fired right up, and I
> picked up the beer bottles and mowed the yard. Just a few things to
> check, I'll let you know if I think of any more.
>
> Building on the Jungster, Flying the Piet,
> Shad
>
> --- On *Tue, 9/15/09, Dan Yocum //* wrote:
>
>
> From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: No RPM drop on mag check??
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 4:26 PM
>
> <http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum@fnal.gov>>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I finally found a really great guy to go toolin' around with to burn
> off the 10 hours the insurance company is requiring. We spent a
> fantastic 1.2 hours in N8031 last night. Temps were perfect, wind
> was calm, and I even nearly greased my first landing in a Piet!
> What a great night.
>
> Anyway, when I was doing the run-up I observed no RPM drop when
> checking the mags. Whoa! Something's a-miss. "Off" works as
> advertised, so I don't think the mags are hot.
>
> Googling suggests the following:
>
> 1. Open p-leads causing hot mags.
> 2. Mag timing advanced beyond the specified setting
> 3. Defective ignition switch
> 4. Open in the grounding circuit of the feed through the capacitors
> (Bendix S-1200 series mags)
> 5. Open magneto capacitors.
>
> I've got Eisemann mags, so I don't know if the Bendix specific
> warnings are applicable.
>
> Since it's affecting both mags, I'm leaning toward defective
> ignition switch.
>
> Anyone else have any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
>
>
>
> -- Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum(at)fnal.gov
> <http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum@fnal.gov>,
> http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> Fermilab. .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
> target=_blank>http://www.matroni;
> -Maww.matronics.com/contribution" ======
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
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Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | West Coast Piet Get-together |
That's GREAT Mike Hardaway that your West Coast Piet gathering got you fired up
enough to cut some control horn metal when you
got home. Excellent.
As I recall not only did you fly jets in (was it Vietnam ?) but you're one of the
few attorneys that I actually really respect. (plus you're
building a Pietenpol---you have to be a decent sort.
So you are taller than East Coast Jack Phillips ? Are you building (I shouldn't
even ask) the long fuselage version ?
Madison John Hofmann likes to use that term "properly sized person". First time
he said that it took me a few seconds but
then ever since it always makes me smile at the creativeness of it.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RBush96589(at)aol.com |
Dan I have the Matco that Rick was talking about on my plane. I have had no
problems at all with it. It works great and is inexpensive.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? |
| From: | Robert Ray <rray032003(at)gmail.com> |
A condition exist at idle that's doesn't at higher RPM, could the windings
of the coils become grounded with more centrifugal force and be touching
ground some where in the housing? This would shut down one mag at a certain
RPM. Is there a short in the coils that becomes more prevalent when
RPM is increased because of inductance? This is possible with infinite
variables? What is affected with increase in RPM, it is a mechanical
and electrical device so which issue is it? Possibly a capacitor whose
capacitance is also variable with RPM may be reaching a cut off point
because of leakage or other break down? It seems it would be something
common to the entire mag rather than a separate plug wire, something
thats common to all the plugs and winding?
Keep us posted.
Russell
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
> The plot thickens, possibly.
>
> I have verified that putting the switch in the off position shuts the
> engine down, so the mags aren't hot. That's a plus.
>
> When at idle, switching between L, R, and Both, I can definitely tell that
> there is an RPM drop, at least audibly. So why not at 1400RPM?
>
> I'll check for a light show under the cowl as soon as I can...
>
> Here's a question for the other A65 owners that may or may not be related -
> are you guys able to redline your engines? I'll be darned if I can get 2050
> RPM in cruise even when leaning it out (mine has a Marvel Schembler Carb
> with a mixture control), and no more than 17-1800RPM on climb out.
>
> Thanks everyone!
> Dan
>
>
> shad bell wrote:
>
>> Might sound stupid, but check the resistance from the switch to the engine
>> case (ground) Corrosion or bad wiring might be giving you the problems A
>> megometer would be good for checking the p-leads for shorts, the high
>> voltage of the megger will jump a pretty good gap. One other hillbilly
>> sugestion, is to run it at night after dark (BE CAREFUL!!) and see if there
>> is a light show under the cowling from a bad harness, faulty wire insulation
>> etc. causing a "leak". Also one w.a.g. is that your switch might have bad
>> isulation, causing a voltage drop/weak spark due to it partially shorting
>> out. I also had one hell of an experiance years ago with an old tractor (IH
>> Cub)with a batt ignition, where the condenser (capasitor) went bad and
>> caused a weak spark, to where the tractor would not start, replaced it still
>> would not start. Hours, and a few days of scratching my head, I had put the
>> condenser in backwords (on the ground side, instead of the hot side) . I
>> still got spark, but a very weak spark. After I put it on right it fired
>> right up, and I picked up the beer bottles and mowed the yard. Just a few
>> things to check, I'll let you know if I think of any more.
>> Building on the Jungster, Flying the Piet,
>> Shad
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 9/15/09, Dan Yocum //* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: No RPM drop on mag check??
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 4:26 PM
>>
>> <http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum@fnal.gov>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I finally found a really great guy to go toolin' around with to burn
>> off the 10 hours the insurance company is requiring. We spent a
>> fantastic 1.2 hours in N8031 last night. Temps were perfect, wind
>> was calm, and I even nearly greased my first landing in a Piet! What
>> a great night.
>>
>> Anyway, when I was doing the run-up I observed no RPM drop when
>> checking the mags. Whoa! Something's a-miss. "Off" works as
>> advertised, so I don't think the mags are hot.
>>
>> Googling suggests the following:
>>
>> 1. Open p-leads causing hot mags.
>> 2. Mag timing advanced beyond the specified setting
>> 3. Defective ignition switch
>> 4. Open in the grounding circuit of the feed through the capacitors
>> (Bendix S-1200 series mags)
>> 5. Open magneto capacitors.
>>
>> I've got Eisemann mags, so I don't know if the Bendix specific
>> warnings are applicable.
>>
>> Since it's affecting both mags, I'm leaning toward defective
>> ignition switch.
>>
>> Anyone else have any other suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Dan Yocum
>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
>> yocum(at)fnal.gov
>> <http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum@fnal.gov>,
>> http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>> Fermilab. .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
>> target=_blank>http://www.matroni; -
>> Maww.matronics.com/contribution <http://maww.matronics.com/contribution>"
>> ======
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | castoring vs. steerable |
Dan,
The Homebuilder's Special tailwheel that I have (which I believe is what Ken
Perkins might be using as a basis/ foundation for his steerable/full swiveling
unit)
is always steerable (it doesn't free castor like a grocery cart wheel unless you
put enough force on it during ground maneuvering/braking or if you kick it with
your foot to let it pivot around (like your Sedan probably does) so you can back
your/push your plane in the hangar.
My trouble came from the fact that just a little push on the rudder bar got this
thing to come out of steerable mode and into full swivel when I didn't want
it to. I was having the thing come out of steerable mode on landings----holy moly
is that scary ! You're better off with a tail skid and small keel on it
than
you might be with an 'always castoring' tailwheel.
Just my thoughts-- I've never flown anything that had a free-wheeling tailwheel,
thus the reasons for some planes like Pitts, DC-3's etc. having locking
tailwheels for takeoffs and landings---so it stays put---perfectly in line with
the runway.
The only time you want your tailwheel to fully castor (again in my opinion--there
may be some other very good reasons why this might be wrong) is when
you're going less than 5 mph.
I forced my tailwheel unit (by way of Dremel tooling out that pin/detent/cam mechanism)
to not be able to go into full swivel or castoring mode. It is
steerable only. Hope this helps.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | West Coast Piet Get-together |
Mike,
Charlie Miller's Piet was a joint project with his father, to whom Charlie
gives major credit. It is actually a very touching story..
He confessed that it was about 165 miles (don't laugh, Jack!). Charlie gets
great pleasure out of local flights and lives in a very beautiful part of
California. It's a 65 Continental, but is well healed with somewhere around
24 gallons of fuel, if I remember correctly. He is very interested in the
en-mass gaggle of Piets to Brodhead in 2011!!! I think we may use him for
in-flight refueling..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet Get-together
Gary Boothe-thanks for posting some good photos that help put names to
faces. Mike Hardaway looks to be a West
Coast version of our East Coast Piet's Jack Phillips, minus the mustache.
They sure look to be about the same height.
Didn't you fly F-4 Phantoms Mike H ? I recall visiting with you offlist
several times. Would be great to meet all
you infidels someday. Gary showed up and we didn't boot him out of
Brodhead. Darrel Jones, Mike Groah,
Jim boyer, and Chris Tracy-good to see who is who.
So Charlie Miller's Piet that he flew in-is that Ford powered ? Couldn't
tell from the photo. Also you say it was
Charlie's "longest cross country" ? Could you elaborate any ?
Thank you for posting-
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Get-together |
Charlie Miller's Piet. One correction, it has a C-85.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:19 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet Get-together
Mike,
Charlie Miller's Piet was a joint project with his father, to whom
Charlie gives major credit. It is actually a very touching story..
He confessed that it was about 165 miles (don't laugh, Jack!). Charlie
gets great pleasure out of local flights and lives in a very beautiful
part of California. It's a 65 Continental, but is well healed with
somewhere around 24 gallons of fuel, if I remember correctly. He is very
interested in the en-mass gaggle of Piets to Brodhead in 2011!!! I think
we may use him for in-flight refueling..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:30 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet Get-together
Gary Boothe-thanks for posting some good photos that help put names to
faces. Mike Hardaway looks to be a West
Coast version of our East Coast Piet's Jack Phillips, minus the
mustache. They sure look to be about the same height.
Didn't you fly F-4 Phantoms Mike H ? I recall visiting with you
offlist several times. Would be great to meet all
you infidels someday. Gary showed up and we didn't boot him out of
Brodhead. Darrel Jones, Mike Groah,
Jim boyer, and Chris Tracy-good to see who is who.
So Charlie Miller's Piet that he flew in-is that Ford powered ?
Couldn't tell from the photo. Also you say it was
Charlie's "longest cross country" ? Could you elaborate any ?
Thank you for posting-
Mike C.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | No RPM drop on mag check?? |
Sounds like you have a cruise prop on it. I have what is supposed to be a
climb prop on mine and get about 2100 RPM static, and climb at 2150. At
full throttle in level flight I can't quite reach redline, so I need a bit
less prop as well. To actually get 65 hp from an A65, it needs to be
turning at 2300 RPM.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No RPM drop on mag check??
The plot thickens, possibly.
I have verified that putting the switch in the off position shuts the
engine down, so the mags aren't hot. That's a plus.
When at idle, switching between L, R, and Both, I can definitely tell
that there is an RPM drop, at least audibly. So why not at 1400RPM?
I'll check for a light show under the cowl as soon as I can...
Here's a question for the other A65 owners that may or may not be
related - are you guys able to redline your engines? I'll be darned if
I can get 2050 RPM in cruise even when leaning it out (mine has a Marvel
Schembler Carb with a mixture control), and no more than 17-1800RPM on
climb out.
Thanks everyone!
Dan
shad bell wrote:
> Might sound stupid, but check the resistance from the switch to the
> engine case (ground) Corrosion or bad wiring might be giving you the
> problems A megometer would be good for checking the p-leads for shorts,
> the high voltage of the megger will jump a pretty good gap. One other
> hillbilly sugestion, is to run it at night after dark (BE CAREFUL!!) and
> see if there is a light show under the cowling from a bad harness,
> faulty wire insulation etc. causing a "leak". Also one w.a.g. is that
> your switch might have bad isulation, causing a voltage drop/weak spark
> due to it partially shorting out. I also had one hell of an experiance
> years ago with an old tractor (IH Cub)with a batt ignition, where the
> condenser (capasitor) went bad and caused a weak spark, to where the
> tractor would not start, replaced it still would not start. Hours, and
> a few days of scratching my head, I had put the condenser in backwords
> (on the ground side, instead of the hot side) . I still got spark, but
> a very weak spark. After I put it on right it fired right up, and I
> picked up the beer bottles and mowed the yard. Just a few things to
> check, I'll let you know if I think of any more.
>
> Building on the Jungster, Flying the Piet,
> Shad
>
> --- On *Tue, 9/15/09, Dan Yocum //* wrote:
>
>
> From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: No RPM drop on mag check??
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 4:26 PM
>
> <http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum@fnal.gov>>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I finally found a really great guy to go toolin' around with to burn
> off the 10 hours the insurance company is requiring. We spent a
> fantastic 1.2 hours in N8031 last night. Temps were perfect, wind
> was calm, and I even nearly greased my first landing in a Piet!
> What a great night.
>
> Anyway, when I was doing the run-up I observed no RPM drop when
> checking the mags. Whoa! Something's a-miss. "Off" works as
> advertised, so I don't think the mags are hot.
>
> Googling suggests the following:
>
> 1. Open p-leads causing hot mags.
> 2. Mag timing advanced beyond the specified setting
> 3. Defective ignition switch
> 4. Open in the grounding circuit of the feed through the capacitors
> (Bendix S-1200 series mags)
> 5. Open magneto capacitors.
>
> I've got Eisemann mags, so I don't know if the Bendix specific
> warnings are applicable.
>
> Since it's affecting both mags, I'm leaning toward defective
> ignition switch.
>
> Anyone else have any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
>
> -- Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum(at)fnal.gov
> <http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum@fnal.gov>,
> http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> Fermilab. .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
> target=_blank>http://www.matroni;
> -Maww.matronics.com/contribution" ======
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
I've got the same thing on mine
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RBush96589(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tail wheels
Dan I have the Matco that Rick was talking about on my plane. I have had no
problems at all with it. It works great and is inexpensive.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? |
Dan, Red Line on the A 65 should be 2300 and cruise is 2150. Yes, you
should be able to get red line at cruise. I'm sure you don't want to hear
this but I wouldn't fly again until an A & P (with experience with the A 65)
checks it out. What does your oil pressure show at idle? At cruise? Some
of the possibilites....Worn out engine, wrong prop or bad RPM gage. I'm
sure there are other possibilites, but I'm not a A & P.
Gene
N502R
.
>
> I> Here's a question for the other A65 owners that may or may not be
> related - are you guys able to redline your engines? I'll be darned if
> I can get 2050 RPM in cruise even when leaning it out (mine has a Marvel
> Schembler Carb with a mixture control), and no more than 17-1800RPM on
> climb out.
>
> Thanks everyone!
> Dan
>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
17:54:00
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Dan,
I can get about 2250 full throttle, level flight, almost 2300 rpm.
Static---I forget. Around 2050, 2100 ?
Running at wood 72-42 prop.
Mike C.
(you might consider using an infrared/ non-contact handheld digital tach meter
to see how accurate your tach is)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: castoring vs. steerable |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
The only time you want your tailwheel to fully castor (again in my
opinion--there may be some other very good reasons why this might be wrong) is
when
you're going less than 5 mph.
Now I am going to have to re-think this whole tailwheel thing. Darn! I thought
I was all done with that!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: castoring vs. steerable |
Dan,
I do a lot of tailwheel instruction up here in Canada and can tell you that you
would do yourself a big favour investigating a steerable tailwheel the has the
ability to lock (ie Scott or Maul). I have flown and taught with both and have
a great degree of respect for pilots who can make a castoring tailwheel do
what they want all of the time.
As Mike mentioned, you don't want to be in the situation where your tailwheel castors
the nose of the aircraft into wind on roll out from a landing. Other than
differntial braking (a hazard on its own at that speed) you really have no
alternative than to go around. You are correct to assume that initially the
slipstream will keep your tailwheel aligned with the direction of flight but your
landing happens in stages, and for each stage different control forces are
used. Initially in a crosswind, it is all rudder and aileron through flare and
touchdown. As the airflow over these control surfaces diminishes through the
roll out, greater reliance is placed on the tailwheel to maintain the centreline
of the runway (especially so on tarmac verses grass). You are still using
rudder and aileron but now a lot of the rudder input translates to pressure
in the same direction on the tailwheel. There is a point in this transition
where differential braking can be useful too but from approximately 30 kts down
to about 10 I would strongly encourage no braking at all. It is within this
range that your tailwheel design is most noticeable. A properly designed steerable
tailwheel will keep you out of the rhubarb. The lock on that very same
wheel is really only required for low speed taxiing and manoeuvering in small
spaces (or as Mike referred to, pushing your bird backwards into a hangar. At
that point, it unlocks and allows the tail to fully castor a la shopping cart.
Grass is obviously more forgiving and the above description is less important.
Anyone else with a castoring tailwheel on a piet please feel free to jump
in and shoot Scotty down.
Scott Knowlton
(slow builder in Burlington)
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:28:44
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
Mike Cuy,
My tailwheel as designed is full swivel/not steerable. In your opinion, is this
not advised? Wouldn't the slipstream keep that wheel in line with the line of
flight, and theoretically be not a hazard upon touchdown?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tue, Sep 22, 2009 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | castoring vs. steerable |
Scott,
I agree completely with your assessment. In my opinion (and you know what
they say about opinions), if you are flying off pavement, you want a
steerable tailwheel and brakes. If flying strictly off grass, you just need
a tailskid and no brakes. Those are the only two combinations I would
advise.
Last weekend I talked with Jimmy Dean, a retired Piedmont Airlines pilot,
who has a nice Model A Ford powered Piet which is badly in need of
recovering. Jimmy has his own grass strip and the Piet has a tailskid and
no brakes. He told me he is going to re-do the Pietenpol, and will put a
tailwheel on it, but no brakes. I told him to let me know when he flies it
into a paved field and parks on a ramp full of airplanes, because I want to
be there and watch! I remember when I first did taxi tests on my Piet and
hadn't bled the brakes properly. Even with a steerable tailwheel, having no
brakes left me with almost no control for parking. That thing would just
roll forever!
BTW Mike Cuy, Jimmy's wife Connie (who is a VERY nice looking lady) said she
still remembers you (she did have a funny look on her face when she said
that, though).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Knowlton
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
Dan,
I do a lot of tailwheel instruction up here in Canada and can tell you that
you would do yourself a big favour investigating a steerable tailwheel the
has the ability to lock (ie Scott or Maul). I have flown and taught with
both and have a great degree of respect for pilots who can make a castoring
tailwheel do what they want all of the time.
As Mike mentioned, you don't want to be in the situation where your
tailwheel castors the nose of the aircraft into wind on roll out from a
landing. Other than differntial braking (a hazard on its own at that speed)
you really have no alternative than to go around. You are correct to assume
that initially the slipstream will keep your tailwheel aligned with the
direction of flight but your landing happens in stages, and for each stage
different control forces are used. Initially in a crosswind, it is all
rudder and aileron through flare and touchdown. As the airflow over these
control surfaces diminishes through the roll out, greater reliance is placed
on the tailwheel to maintain the centreline of the runway (especially so on
tarmac verses grass). You are still using rudder and aileron but now a lot
of the rudder input translates to pressure in the same direction on the
tailwheel. There is a point in this transition where differential braking
can be useful too but fro!
m approximately 30 kts down to about 10 I would strongly encourage no
braking at all. It is within this range that your tailwheel design is most
noticeable. A properly designed steerable tailwheel will keep you out of
the rhubarb. The lock on that very same wheel is really only required for
low speed taxiing and manoeuvering in small spaces (or as Mike referred to,
pushing your bird backwards into a hangar. At that point, it unlocks and
allows the tail to fully castor a la shopping cart. Grass is obviously more
forgiving and the above description is less important. Anyone else with a
castoring tailwheel on a piet please feel free to jump in and shoot Scotty
down.
Scott Knowlton
(slow builder in Burlington)
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:28:44
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
Mike Cuy,
My tailwheel as designed is full swivel/not steerable. In your opinion, is
this not advised? Wouldn't the slipstream keep that wheel in line with the
line of flight, and theoretically be not a hazard upon touchdown?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tue, Sep 22, 2009 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | West Coast Piet Get-together |
I never saw the original picture of the "gang of thieves".
would someone please send me the picture(s) of the West
Coast Get-together directly?
Also, I'm not ruling out a flight in the OTHER direction...
from TX to Oregon. Probably happen spring 2010 and may take
me through Los Alamos and on up that way. Or else I'll
be flying the "Big L"- Interstate 10 west to California,
then hang a right and go Interstate 5 all the way north to
Oregon. Lots of flying friends to visit along the way.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
My numbers with 41CC when the 65 was on it were almost
exactly the same as Mike Cuy's. What prop does it have
on it (dia./pitch)?
I really don't see much benefit to a "cruise" prop on a
Piet. You're gonna cruise it at 70-72 with a small
Continental on it so go ahead and use a prop that will
give you the best climb performance.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Dan,
Without fully understanding what's going on, and without an extensive knowledge
of your engine, it's somewhat difficult to figure out what's going on. A few
questions might inform the audience.
Are the mags and ignition harnesses, & spark plugs - new, used, worn out? Explain
their condition, as it might help.
How about the mechanical condition of the engine? Rebuilt? Describe.
What fuel are you using?
Perhaps there's no problem at all. Even though our expectation is that the engine
SHOULD show an rpm drop, that is not always the case... On a plane I fly
regularly, the entire ignition system was recently replaced, i.e., new mags, harnesses,
plugs, and correctly timed. When the plane was put back into service,
there was an imperceptible rpm drop.
It turned out, with a near perfect ignition system, clean fuel, etc., the engine
was burning so clean and completely that there was no discernible drop in rpm
during mag check.
Hope this adds some insight.
TK
--------
Tom Kreiner
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264516#264516
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | castoring vs. steerable |
Dan, Our tailwheel is not full swivel, just steerable and it will turn plen
ty sharp enough for taxi and parking without using any brakes.- Our setup
is very similar to Don Emch's tailwheel, and a few others.- The only pro
blem with it is that uou need to pick up the tail to push the airplane back
wards.- I guess it would be easy to design a t/w that is steerable, and h
as a lock pin that could be pulled out for manually pushing the airplane on
the ground, but then you have the added problem of remembering to put the
lock pin in before flight, and you will realize you forgot after your strap
ped in and have the engine started.- But the beuty of this is you can do
what you like.
-
Shad
-
p.s. if your fuselage isn't covered yet put provisions for tailwheel cables
in before its covered up.- We did not, and it was kind of a pain in the
keester to run cables through 2 4 inch inspection holes.=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | castoring vs. steerable |
I would say one more thing about the tail wheel thing. In addition to full
y steerable Don't put springs in the linkage. The Sonex guys all use a dir
ect link with no springs. The certified guys all use springs in the linkag
e and in a strong wind you still need brake or the wind wins. Just an opin
ion.
That said there are going to be times that nothing will work except having
a wheel on the other end. There were days we could not fly the 180 because
even with both brakes locked it woud spin into the wind just sitting there
. made for lots of fun just getting it back to the tiedown!
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: castoring vs. steerable
Date: Wed=2C 23 Sep 2009 08:37:56 -0400
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
The only time you want your tailwheel to fully castor (again in my
opinion--there may be some other very good reasons why this might be wrong)
is
when
you're going less than 5 mph.
Now I am going to have to re-think this whole tailwheel thing. Darn! I thou
ght I was all done with that!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove=2C IL.
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? |
Hi Jack,
I've got a McCauley Met-L-Prop 7442. Yes, yes, I know. A metal prop on
a wooden airplane. How uncouth.
Hearing that a lot of you guys have 72-38's I'm guessing what I've got
is a cruise prop. The plane averaged 72.2 mph ground speed with a 6-9
mph headwind during the Airventure Cup race from Dayton to Oshkosh, so
that fits.
When I got my tailwheel endorsement 3 years ago in the T-Craft I seem to
recall having to watch the tach during the climb out to cruise
transition to make sure I didn't accidentally push it past 2300. That
plane's got a Sensenich wood prop... I'll have to check with the owner
as to what size it is.
I think that I'll try some dimple tape on mine to see what I can get out
of it before shelling out the big bucks for a new prop... or I could buy
Dan's CD and carve my own.
Oh! My dad's got a Sensenich prop from an A75 that was on a J-5 Cub. It
would have to be sent out for overhaul, though...
choices, choices...
Thanks,
Dan
Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> Sounds like you have a cruise prop on it. I have what is supposed to be a
> climb prop on mine and get about 2100 RPM static, and climb at 2150. At
> full throttle in level flight I can't quite reach redline, so I need a bit
> less prop as well. To actually get 65 hp from an A65, it needs to be
> turning at 2300 RPM.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:59 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No RPM drop on mag check??
>
>
> The plot thickens, possibly.
>
> I have verified that putting the switch in the off position shuts the
> engine down, so the mags aren't hot. That's a plus.
>
> When at idle, switching between L, R, and Both, I can definitely tell
> that there is an RPM drop, at least audibly. So why not at 1400RPM?
>
> I'll check for a light show under the cowl as soon as I can...
>
> Here's a question for the other A65 owners that may or may not be
> related - are you guys able to redline your engines? I'll be darned if
> I can get 2050 RPM in cruise even when leaning it out (mine has a Marvel
> Schembler Carb with a mixture control), and no more than 17-1800RPM on
> climb out.
>
> Thanks everyone!
> Dan
>
>
> shad bell wrote:
>> Might sound stupid, but check the resistance from the switch to the
>> engine case (ground) Corrosion or bad wiring might be giving you the
>> problems A megometer would be good for checking the p-leads for shorts,
>> the high voltage of the megger will jump a pretty good gap. One other
>> hillbilly sugestion, is to run it at night after dark (BE CAREFUL!!) and
>> see if there is a light show under the cowling from a bad harness,
>> faulty wire insulation etc. causing a "leak". Also one w.a.g. is that
>> your switch might have bad isulation, causing a voltage drop/weak spark
>> due to it partially shorting out. I also had one hell of an experiance
>> years ago with an old tractor (IH Cub)with a batt ignition, where the
>> condenser (capasitor) went bad and caused a weak spark, to where the
>> tractor would not start, replaced it still would not start. Hours, and
>> a few days of scratching my head, I had put the condenser in backwords
>> (on the ground side, instead of the hot side) . I still got spark, but
>> a very weak spark. After I put it on right it fired right up, and I
>> picked up the beer bottles and mowed the yard. Just a few things to
>> check, I'll let you know if I think of any more.
>>
>> Building on the Jungster, Flying the Piet,
>> Shad
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 9/15/09, Dan Yocum //* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: No RPM drop on mag check??
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 4:26 PM
>>
>> <http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum@fnal.gov>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I finally found a really great guy to go toolin' around with to burn
>> off the 10 hours the insurance company is requiring. We spent a
>> fantastic 1.2 hours in N8031 last night. Temps were perfect, wind
>> was calm, and I even nearly greased my first landing in a Piet!
>> What a great night.
>>
>> Anyway, when I was doing the run-up I observed no RPM drop when
>> checking the mags. Whoa! Something's a-miss. "Off" works as
>> advertised, so I don't think the mags are hot.
>>
>> Googling suggests the following:
>>
>> 1. Open p-leads causing hot mags.
>> 2. Mag timing advanced beyond the specified setting
>> 3. Defective ignition switch
>> 4. Open in the grounding circuit of the feed through the capacitors
>> (Bendix S-1200 series mags)
>> 5. Open magneto capacitors.
>>
>> I've got Eisemann mags, so I don't know if the Bendix specific
>> warnings are applicable.
>>
>> Since it's affecting both mags, I'm leaning toward defective
>> ignition switch.
>>
>> Anyone else have any other suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Dan Yocum
>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
>> yocum(at)fnal.gov
>> <http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum@fnal.gov>,
>> http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>> Fermilab. .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
>> target=_blank>http://www.matroni;
>> -Maww.matronics.com/contribution" ======
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? |
tkreiner wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> Without fully understanding what's going on, and without an extensive knowledge
of your engine, it's somewhat difficult to figure out what's going on. A few
questions might inform the audience.
>
> Are the mags and ignition harnesses, & spark plugs - new, used, worn out? Explain
their condition, as it might help.
>
One mag is new in the last year. One plug is new 'cause the A&P broke
the old one during the last Annual. The harness is probably the
original from 1979 and probably before.
>
> How about the mechanical condition of the engine? Rebuilt? Describe.
400 SMOH, ~800 hour since new (estimated). Logs are incomplete from
before 1965, hence the reason for the overhaul. One cylinder was
cracked and replaced in '65 with "the same oversize." Compressions are
all in the mid to high 70's.
I sent out a sample of the oil for analysis and no red flags were found.
This plane and engine has flown over 150 tach hours in the last 18
months and 50 hours in the 2 weeks leading up to Oshkosh!
>
> What fuel are you using?
100LL with one shot of Marvel Mystery Oil per 15 gallons.
>
> Perhaps there's no problem at all. Even though our expectation is that the engine
SHOULD show an rpm drop, that is not always the case... On a plane I fly
regularly, the entire ignition system was recently replaced, i.e., new mags,
harnesses, plugs, and correctly timed. When the plane was put back into service,
there was an imperceptible rpm drop.
>
> It turned out, with a near perfect ignition system, clean fuel, etc., the engine
was burning so clean and completely that there was no discernible drop in
rpm during mag check.
That's what I'm leaning toward, too. When Tres flew it from California
they flew it flat out as fast and lean as it would go for as long as
possible.
>
> Hope this adds some insight.
>
It does! I'm a glass half-full kind of guy but I like to make sure there
aren't any holes in the glass, too.
The fact that at least one other engine out there in the world exhibits
the same sort of behaviour suggests that mine isn't completely alone. 2
data points are always better than 1 (but still not great...).
Thanks,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A-65 redline |
I'm the same as Mike with the same size prop and engine--Jim Lagowski with a
1/2 hour to go to 40 hours.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 redline
> Aerospace Corporation]"
>
> Dan,
>
> I can get about 2250 full throttle, level flight, almost 2300 rpm.
> Static---I forget. Around 2050, 2100 ?
>
> Running at wood 72-42 prop.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> (you might consider using an infrared/ non-contact handheld digital tach
> meter
> to see how accurate your tach is)
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Sinnott" <sinnoj(at)bellsouth.net> |
Hi
I'm just considering starting this odyssey I have a few early questions.
1) I've found fuselages that are framed up for sale I'm thinking this
and buying premade ribs would expedite the process.
2) I'm a big guy 6'3" and a 42 waist will I fit I saw somewhere there
was a mod to increase the width of the fuselage where can I find that.
3) Best supplier of wood
4) I've built RC control model plane (remember "Flight of the Phoenix")
so I have some basic skills. But I live in Ga. and I'd like to go see some
finished planes
Thank You
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Pietenpol Air Camper on floats |
| From: | "Mike Scovel" <ezdriver(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Has anyone ever put the Air Camper on Floats? Pros and Cons please.
--------
Mike Scovel
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264540#264540
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| From: | Matt Redmond <mdredmond(at)gmail.com> |
James,
The risk in buying too much pre-fabricated is that your local FSDO may not
grant you a repairman's certificate. I don't know how much is too much whe
n
it comes to buying pre-fab stuff, but if your are doing more assembling
than fabricating you might have trouble. One of the great benefits of a
homebuilt is not having to pay an A&P at every turn.
Same goes for buying a used homebuilt - you can't do anything more to it
than you could do to a certificated plane.
Matt
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:49 AM, James Sinnott wrote
:
> Hi
>
> I=92m just considering starting this odyssey I have a few early questions
.
>
>
> 1) I=92ve found fuselages that are framed up for sale I=92m thinking
this
> and buying premade ribs would expedite the process.
>
> 2) I=92m a big guy 6=923=94 and a 42 waist will I fit I saw somewher
e there
> was a mod to increase the width of the fuselage where can I find that.
>
> 3) Best supplier of wood
>
> 4) I=92ve built RC control model plane (remember =93Flight of the
> Phoenix=94) so I have some basic skills. But I live in Ga. and I=92d lik
e to go
> see some finished planes
>
>
> Thank You
>
> *
>
===========
===========
===========
===========
> *
>
>
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
Welcome Newbie
Being a builder now 2 years into the process and fellow wide guy, I built
my own fuse to my specifications which now measures 27" inside dimension.
I
found no plans to do that, just my own desire. I carried that from the
firewall to the rear seat back then began the taper to the tail. Easily
done, I
am building in poplar which on the east coast is easier to find, purchase
and afford and I really like working with it.
Just remember that what you do in one part will have an impact on other
parts. Where you may use more plywood or reset the radius of a curve as a
result of your modification. Some of it is learning on the fly and some
is
preplanning, either way you need to be prepared for the impact on the whol
e for
your modifications and ready to pay the piper for those changes. That als
o
includes weight increases, what you add in one area you need to reduce in
an other.
John
In a message dated 9/23/2009 11:53:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
sinnoj(at)bellsouth.net writes:
Hi
I=99m just considering starting this odyssey I have a few early que
stions.
1) I=99ve found fuselages that are framed up for sale I
=99m thinking
this and buying premade ribs would expedite the process.
2) I=99m a big guy 6=993=9D and a 42 waist will I
fit I saw somewhere
there was a mod to increase the width of the fuselage where can I find th
at.
3) Best supplier of wood
4) I=99ve built RC control model plane (remember =9CFlig
ht of the
Phoenix=9D) so I have some basic skills. But I live in Ga. and I
=99d like to go
see some finished planes
Thank You
========================
============
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
========================
============
========================
============
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
========================
============
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats |
| From: | Matt Redmond <mdredmond(at)gmail.com> |
I saw a picture of a Candian Piet on floats. I'd love to do it and might
- if I can figure out how to build floats with wheels.
See here: http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/054956.html
Matt
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Mike Scovel wrote:
> ezdriver(at)sbcglobal.net>
>
> Has anyone ever put the Air Camper on Floats? Pros and Cons please.
>
> --------
> Mike Scovel
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264540#264540
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
I am building my pietenpol in Lagrange,Ga. Gardiner Mason--706 594 3811. I
would be glad to show it to you.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________________________
____=0AFrom: James Sinnott <sinnoj(at)bellsouth.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matr
onics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:49:02 AM=0ASubject: Piet
enpol-List: Newbie=0A=0A =0AHi=0AI=99m just considering starting this
odyssey I have a=0Afew early questions. =0A =0A1) I=99ve found
fuselages that are framed up for sale=0AI=99m thinking this and buyi
ng premade ribs would expedite the=0Aprocess.=0A2) I=99m a big
guy 6=993=9D and a 42 waist=0Awill I fit I saw somewhere there
was a mod to increase the width of the=0Afuselage where can I find that.=0A
3) Best supplier of wood=0A4) I=99ve built RC control model
plane (remember =9CFlight=0Aof the Phoenix=9D) so I have some
basic skills. But I live in Ga. and=0AI=99d like to go see some fini
=========================0A
====
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
James,
I don't know where you live in Georgia, but I fly Piet out of Lenora
(2GA9). You're welcome to come by.
Jeff
>Hi
>I'm just considering starting this odyssey I have a few early questions.
>
>1) I've found fuselages that are framed up for sale I'm
>thinking this and buying premade ribs would expedite the process.
>2) I'm a big guy 6'3" and a 42 waist will I fit I saw somewhere
>there was a mod to increase the width of the fuselage where can I
>find that.
>3) Best supplier of wood
>4) I've built RC control model plane (remember "Flight of the
>Phoenix") so I have some basic skills. But I live in Ga. and I'd
>like to go see some finished planes
>
>
>Thank You
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Well, that's not entirely true. With ANY homebuilt, modifications and
repairs can be done by anyone (I replaced two cylinders on my RV-4, which I
did not build, this past winter). However, the annual "Condition
Inspection" must be done by either a person holding the "Repairman's
Certificate" for that airplane or an A&P license. Note that Inspection
Authority (IA) is NOT required to do inspections on a homebuilt.
So if you buy a Pietenpol, or a Pietenpol project, even without the
Repairman's Certificate you can still do all your own work, except for the
inspection.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Redmond
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie
James,
The risk in buying too much pre-fabricated is that your local FSDO may not
grant you a repairman's certificate. I don't know how much is too much when
it comes to buying pre-fab stuff, but if your are doing more assembling
than fabricating you might have trouble. One of the great benefits of a
homebuilt is not having to pay an A&P at every turn.
Same goes for buying a used homebuilt - you can't do anything more to it
than you could do to a certificated plane.
Matt
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:49 AM, James Sinnott
wrote:
Hi
I'm just considering starting this odyssey I have a few early questions.
1) I've found fuselages that are framed up for sale I'm thinking this
and buying premade ribs would expedite the process.
2) I'm a big guy 6'3" and a 42 waist will I fit I saw somewhere there
was a mod to increase the width of the fuselage where can I find that.
3) Best supplier of wood
4) I've built RC control model plane (remember "Flight of the Phoenix")
so I have some basic skills. But I live in Ga. and I'd like to go see some
finished planes
Thank You
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Problem resolved!
I just received a call from Tawny Castillo at Aircraft Spruce today. She reviewed
the photos I sent with several people (to include Mr. Irwin), and they concluded
that this damage did not look to be caused by the shipper. She said that
they were going to truck (at their expense) a new spar to my location.
I am impressed! Two days after reporting the problem and they totally came through!
I was a little skeptical at first, but I tried to be optimistic. As far
as this particular experience goes, I am a happy customer. Oh, I'm not real
happy that I received faulty "certified" wood, but I am certainly happy that AS&S
is standing behind their product.
Sorry to keep carrying on about this for the last few days... I hope some of you
found this report helpful.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264555#264555
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
I have the Matco WHLT-6P Pneumatic tail wheel whereas it does disengage aft
er several degrees (I believe about 45) of turning then becomes a freewheel
for them end-a-rounds and tight circles. It is a very nice set-up and will
appear to work very well.
-
Can be used with 1-1/4" or 1-1/2" leaf spring. These tail wheels are steera
ble, and are available with a pneumatic tire and tube. Tail wheel construct
ion is anodized aluminum. Weight: 5 lbs.
-
KMHeide
Village idiot
--- On Tue, 9/22/09, Rick Holland wrote:
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tailwheels
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 2:37 PM
Matco is full castoring and only $149,
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/lg/tailwheels_matco.html
Rick
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
Dan; the tailwheel on 41CC is a Scott. -I can send
you pix of the tailwheel setup if they would be useful.
Mine is supposedly a Scott, too, but it's not a fully castoring tailwheel.
-Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. -Here's a fuzzy picture to
show what I mean:
http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2592
The arms are attached to the rudder with the springs and those prevent it f
rom castoring fully.
Jeez, AS&S wants a kings ransom for a new Scott 2000 assembly: $1837.65 for
the full deal and still over $1100 for everything up to the hub and wheel.
-Think I'll make due with my homemade triangular tailwheel dolly thinga-
ma-jig.
Thanks,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab -630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. -Just zeros and ones.
st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
le, List Admin.
="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats |
| From: | "Mike Scovel" <ezdriver(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Now that I have seen it done, I am going to pursue this matter a bit farther.
I'll be looking for more replies, hopefully with some technical info and or Pros/Cons.
--------
Mike Scovel
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264557#264557
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
I haven't weighed in on this, wanting to see what they did, but I'm not
surprised. Over the 8 years I was building my Pietenpol, I bought an awful
lot of stuff from AS&S, and overall I found them to be a very good company
to deal with. Their prices can be a bit high on some articles, but they
always HAVE what you need and generally ship it pretty quickly. I don't
know how you could build an airplane if they weren't in business, because
they are the only company that carries EVERYTHING you need. Wicks has good
wood, and some hardware, but not everything.
Glad you got it resolved. Not get out to that shop and make some sawdust!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How will the vendor do?
Problem resolved!
I just received a call from Tawny Castillo at Aircraft Spruce today. She
reviewed the photos I sent with several people (to include Mr. Irwin), and
they concluded that this damage did not look to be caused by the shipper.
She said that they were going to truck (at their expense) a new spar to my
location.
I am impressed! Two days after reporting the problem and they totally came
through! I was a little skeptical at first, but I tried to be optimistic.
As far as this particular experience goes, I am a happy customer. Oh, I'm
not real happy that I received faulty "certified" wood, but I am certainly
happy that AS&S is standing behind their product.
Sorry to keep carrying on about this for the last few days... I hope some of
you found this report helpful.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264555#264555
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
| From: | "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> |
Can't help but wonder how much impact (if any) there was on the process
as a direct result of the semi-public discussion that unfolded here on
the list.
Methinks it likely had a significant impact.
A good result all around.
Bill C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Howdy Newbie!
Don't worry about expediting, just get some plans and start studying and building.
There will be days of absolute frustration and overload followed by days
of complete satisfaction when the pieces start coming together. I've only been
building since March, but after a few snags and delays I am getting real close
to having a couple of huge assemblies that look like wings.
Lot's of fun.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264563#264563
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats |
| From: | Matt Redmond <mdredmond(at)gmail.com> |
Mike,
The 1933 Flying and Glider Manual (available from EAA or Aircraft Spruce)
featured Pietenpol floats. Now whether they were floats *for* the Pietenpol
or floats merely designed my Mr. Pietenpol, I don't know. But it's worth
looking into.
Matt
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Mike Scovel wrote:
> ezdriver(at)sbcglobal.net>
>
> Now that I have seen it done, I am going to pursue this matter a bit
> farther. I'll be looking for more replies, hopefully with some technical
> info and or Pros/Cons.
>
> --------
> Mike Scovel
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264557#264557
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | need aluminum sheet |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
I will be going to Tulsa probably tomorrow and then on to Ft. Worth next week sometime.-
I need a couple 4X4 sheets or a 4X 8 sheet of either .020 or .025" 2024
T-3 to make my cowl from.does anybody have a name or phone number of a supplier
in those places that might sell retail? if I don't locate someone before
leaving I'll most likely just order from Airparts in Kansas city. thanks for
any help.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264567#264567
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| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Newbie,
Straight from my FSDO, as this question has come up frequently, and I decided
to call and verify.
If the builders log on the airframe you are considering purchasing, along with
your logged efforts reflect that you have done 51% of the work, and you provide
the FSDO with a notarized Affidavit of Facts to support that, the FAA will confer
the Repairman Certificate upon you.
In the case of an outright purchase of a flying experimental aircraft, you cannot
apply for the Repairman Certificate (on that airframe) unless you have performed
51% of the construction. (Not sure how that could happen...)
However, as the owner of the purchased (and completed) experimental aircraft YOU
may perform 100% of the maintenance and repairs to the aircraft. The work you
perform must then be signed off by an A&P.
Annual Inspections must also be signed off by an IA, but if during the inspection
a problem is found where a repair is warranted, you may perform the repair
and the IA can sign it off.
In order to have an A&P sign off your work, it would be wise to cultivate a good
working relationship with the A&P well in advance of approaching him to sign
off any work.
Hope this addition helps.
TK
--------
Tom Kreiner
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264568#264568
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
Everyone is allowed to make mistakes, mainly because everyone is
going make mistakes anyway. It's how a person reacts to his mistakes
that counts.
Glad it all worked out.
>
>Problem resolved!
>...
>--------
>Mark - working on wings
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats |
| From: | "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> |
Piets on floats are not very common. In fact, open cockpit planes on
floats are not very common.
Regardless, here's a link that provides a bit of information about the
Canadian "Piet", CF-AQI, in that old photo:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=24253871?KEY
S
=wolk_&_floats?LISTNAME=Pietenpol?HITNUMBER=11?SERIAL=1053364489?
SHOWBUT
TONS=YES
There was another Canadian (or Candian, as some apparently like to spell
it) Piet that flew with floats, not too long ago. This is likely the
oldest Pietenpol in Canada, having originally been built in 1932, and
currently powered by a Continental A-65. Anyway, the latest owner of the
plane, Shawn Wolk, installed a set of Full Lotus 1260 floats, and flew
successfully, and documented the event here on the List. Here's a link
to the posting following the initial flight:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=34082464?KEY
S
=wolk_&_floats?LISTNAME=Pietenpol?HITNUMBER=6?SERIAL=1053364489?S
HOWBUTT
ONS=YES
Here's a link to a photo:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Shawn%20Wolk%20CF-RAZ/piet_on_floats
.jpg
Check out the archives for more info.
Bill C.
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| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
does anybody have the name or number of a supplier in Tulsa or ft. wort Dallas
area that might sell . .020 or .025 2024 T-3 sheet? I'm going through there in
the next week but if I can't locate any I'd just as soon go ahead and place an
order. thanks. Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264573#264573
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Get-together |
| From: | "BYD" <byd(at)att.net> |
Darrel Jones wrote:
> Three of my trips to Oshkosh have been up through Oregon and Washington,
> through Glacier Park Pass and across Montana.
>
If the WCP group flies this route I would love to join them. Flying this route
in return I HIGHLY recommend stopping at Cut Bank, Montana to overnight before
making a morning run at the Rockies. Cut Bank was a WW2 B-17 base and then
later an airline terminal stop and they still have the rooms that the crews used
to get rest (small room with a bed) which last I knew were free to use. Also
a kitchen and lounge with couches and TV. Great spot and friendly people.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264574#264574
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| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Very true Jack, makes you realize how resourceful and modivated Bernard was
to do what he did back in the 1920s.
Rick
| I don't
> know how you could build an airplane if they weren't in business, because
> they are the only company that carries EVERYTHING you need. Wicks has good
> wood, and some hardware, but not everything.
>
> Glad you got it resolved. Not get out to that shop and make some sawdust!
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
I have had good success and prices from onlinemetals.com
-----Original Message-----
>From: skellytown flyer <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
>Sent: Sep 23, 2009 12:31 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: aluminum
>
>
>does anybody have the name or number of a supplier in Tulsa or ft. wort Dallas
area that might sell . .020 or .025 2024 T-3 sheet? I'm going through there in
the next week but if I can't locate any I'd just as soon go ahead and place
an order. thanks. Raymond
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264573#264573
>
>
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| From: | Matt Redmond <mdredmond(at)gmail.com> |
Tom,
After a little further research it appears that we are both wrong and so is
your FSDO.
Anyone can work on a homebuilt and anyone can sign off on the work. You
don't even need the repairman's certificate that is issued to builders. You
do not need an A&P to sign off your work.
Part 43 governs who is allowed to work on aircraft and near the top in
43.1(b) it specifically says that Part 43 does not apply to experimental
aircraft:
"This part does not apply to any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an
experimental certificate, unless the FAA has previously issued a different
kind of airworthiness certificate for that aircraft."
Now, that said... When issuing the airworthiness certificate, the inspector
can make you place in the operating limitations a restriction on who may
work on the airplane. If that happens, that limitation must be followed.
I'm not sure how common that is - it might be very common - just not sure.
I know you and others will disagree with my interpretation here. If that's
the case, please come up with the regulation that applies - I'd love to see
it. Finding 43.1(b) just blew my entire understanding of the issue out of
the water.
Matt
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:55 PM, tkreiner wrote:
>
> Newbie,
>
> Straight from my FSDO, as this question has come up frequently, and I
> decided to call and verify.
>
> If the builders log on the airframe you are considering purchasing, along
> with your logged efforts reflect that you have done 51% of the work, and you
> provide the FSDO with a notarized Affidavit of Facts to support that, the
> FAA will confer the Repairman Certificate upon you.
>
> In the case of an outright purchase of a flying experimental aircraft, you
> cannot apply for the Repairman Certificate (on that airframe) unless you
> have performed 51% of the construction. (Not sure how that could happen...)
>
> However, as the owner of the purchased (and completed) experimental
> aircraft YOU may perform 100% of the maintenance and repairs to the
> aircraft. The work you perform must then be signed off by an A&P.
>
> Annual Inspections must also be signed off by an IA, but if during the
> inspection a problem is found where a repair is warranted, you may perform
> the repair and the IA can sign it off.
>
> In order to have an A&P sign off your work, it would be wise to cultivate a
> good working relationship with the A&P well in advance of approaching him to
> sign off any work.
>
> Hope this addition helps.
>
> TK
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264568#264568
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Also Barry Davis is one of the 'Gang of Six' down near Atlanta I believe
nearly done building six Corvair Piets. You can look him up on this
newsgroup.
Rick
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Jeff Boatright wrote:
>
> James,
>
> I don't know where you live in Georgia, but I fly Piet out of Lenora
> (2GA9). You're welcome to come by.
>
> Jeff
>
> Hi
>> I'm just considering starting this odyssey I have a few early questions.
>>
>> 1) I've found fuselages that are framed up for sale I'm thinking this
>> and buying premade ribs would expedite the process.
>> 2) I'm a big guy 6'3" and a 42 waist will I fit I saw somewhere there
>> was a mod to increase the width of the fuselage where can I find that.
>> 3) Best supplier of wood
>> 4) I've built RC control model plane (remember "Flight of the
>> Phoenix") so I have some basic skills. But I live in Ga. and I'd like to go
>> see some finished planes
>>
>>
>> Thank You
>>
>
> --
> ---
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
> Editor-in-Chief
> Molecular Vision
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | RE: West Coast Gang |
Oscar,
Out West here, we are noted for innovative thinking, and have resolved the
problem with those who may be too 'long' for a standard Piet.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
_____
From: Oscar Zuniga [mailto:taildrags(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:38 AM
Subject: RE: West Coast Gang
Gary; thanks! yeah, those guys are all too tall ;o)
It will be nice to meet lots of you guys out west sometime. I have Piet
friends strung out all along the route I might take... Texas, Arizona, New
Mexico, California, maybe Nevada, and of course in Oregon.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
_____
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Subject: West Coast Gang
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:33:03 -0700
Oscar,
Here are the group pics, with the line-up below..
"At Mike's House": Ray Krause (Waiex builder/owner and now a Piet Builder),
Mike Hardaway (Piet Builder), Jim Boyer (Piet Builder), Darrel Jones (Piet
Builder), Mike Groah (Piet Builder), Gary Boothe (Piet Builder, and 15 ribs
done in case you didn't know), Mike Weaver (Piet Builder), Chris Tracy (Piet
Builder).
"In Front of Charlie's Piet": Mike Weaver, Mike Groah, Chris Tracy, Ray
Krause, Jim Boyer, Mike Hardaway, Darrel Jones, Charlie Miller (kneeling.
That's Charlie's beautiful Piet that he flew in on "his longest x-country
ever").
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | congratulations to Aircraft Spruce |
Well that is good to hear. Words and promises are one thing--- action and making
things
right is another.
I'm impressed that ACS is getting serious about customer service. Reason reigned
this time--good going Mark.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: need aluminum sheet |
Contact me off line for metal
John
In a message dated 9/23/2009 1:51:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "skellytown flyer"
I will be going to Tulsa probably tomorrow and then on to Ft. Worth next
week sometime.- I need a couple 4X4 sheets or a 4X 8 sheet of either .020 or
.025" 2024 T-3 to make my cowl from.does anybody have a name or phone
number of a supplier in those places that might sell retail? if I don't locate
someone before leaving I'll most likely just order from Airparts in Kansas
city. thanks for any help.Raymond
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264567#264567
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Get-together |
BYD,
I've been to Cutbank and done work there. They say the snow never melts....it just
blows back and forth 'till it wears out!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BYD
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet Get-together
Darrel Jones wrote:
> Three of my trips to Oshkosh have been up through Oregon and Washington,
> through Glacier Park Pass and across Montana.
>
If the WCP group flies this route I would love to join them. Flying this route
in return I HIGHLY recommend stopping at Cut Bank, Montana to overnight before
making a morning run at the Rockies. Cut Bank was a WW2 B-17 base and then
later an airline terminal stop and they still have the rooms that the crews used
to get rest (small room with a bed) which last I knew were free to use. Also
a kitchen and lounge with couches and TV. Great spot and friendly people.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264574#264574
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
Contact me off list
John
In a message dated 9/23/2009 2:33:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "skellytown flyer"
does anybody have the name or number of a supplier in Tulsa or ft. wort
Dallas area that might sell . .020 or .025 2024 T-3 sheet? I'm going through
there in the next week but if I can't locate any I'd just as soon go ahead
and place an order. thanks. Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264573#264573
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
Tom,
Are you sure about the AI part? I thought condition inspections on
experimentals could be done by an A&P.
Jeff
>
>Newbie,
>
>Straight from my FSDO, as this question has come up frequently, and
>I decided to call and verify.
>
>If the builders log on the airframe you are considering purchasing,
>along with your logged efforts reflect that you have done 51% of the
>work, and you provide the FSDO with a notarized Affidavit of Facts
>to support that, the FAA will confer the Repairman Certificate upon
>you.
>
>In the case of an outright purchase of a flying experimental
>aircraft, you cannot apply for the Repairman Certificate (on that
>airframe) unless you have performed 51% of the construction. (Not
>sure how that could happen...)
>
>However, as the owner of the purchased (and completed) experimental
>aircraft YOU may perform 100% of the maintenance and repairs to the
>aircraft. The work you perform must then be signed off by an A&P.
>
>Annual Inspections must also be signed off by an IA, but if during
>the inspection a problem is found where a repair is warranted, you
>may perform the repair and the IA can sign it off.
>
>In order to have an A&P sign off your work, it would be wise to
>cultivate a good working relationship with the A&P well in advance
>of approaching him to sign off any work.
>
>Hope this addition helps.
>
>TK
>
>--------
>Tom Kreiner
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
Annual Condition Inspection of an amateur built airplane and the
Annual Inspection of a certified aircraft are identical in scope and
procedure. The difference lies in wording, where the information
lives, who can perform the duties and is not just semantic in nature.
The Annual Inspection of a certified aircraft and wording can be found
in 14 CFR Part 43. Wording is similar to "I certify that this
aircraft has been inspected in accordance with an annual inspection
and was determined to be in airworthy condition." The wording for an
Annual Condition Inspection can be found in the Operating Limitations
of the subject aircraft. That wording is usually close to "I certify
that this aircraft has been inspected in accordance with the scope and
detail of Appendix D of 14 CFR part 43, and found to be in condition
for safe operation." Note that a certified airplane is inspected to
"airworthy condition" and an amateur built aircraft is inspected to
"condition for safe operation," not airworthy condition.
Amateur built airplanes are only required to have the Annual Condition
Inspection in the logbook but the FAA "suggests" that routine
maintenance be included as well. Anyone can perform maintenance on an
amateur built airplane. Only the holder of the repairman certificate
or "FAA-certificated mechanics with appropriate ratings as authorized
by...(A&P mechanic)" may perform the annual condition inspection. An
IA is not required for an Annual Condition Inspection on an amateur
built aircraft.
Hypothetical Practical Application: Our own Dan Yocum has recently
purchased Ol' 8031. He proceeds to change the oil, bleed the brakes,
check compression. clean the plugs and fly, all without a logbook
entry. That is fine. He then installs a transponder and motorcycle
battery to power it. Once again, fine. Since he does not hold the
repairman certificate he calls upon me as an A&P (which I am) to help
him with his annual condition inspection. At that time I see that the
transponder and routine maintenance is up to par but I don't like the
battery installation as he used black licorice to hold it in. I state
that for safe operation he should change the way he fastens the
battery to red licorice or a "more better" system. The change is made
and Ol' 8031 is once again in "condition for safe operation."
Hope this helps and not one Waldo Pepper reference....and yes I am
hoping to have my IA in the next year or so.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Sep 23, 2009, at 12:55 PM, tkreiner wrote:
> Annual Inspections must also be signed off by an IA, but if during
> the inspection a problem is found where a repair is warranted, you
> may perform the repair and the IA can sign it off.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Air Camper on floats |
It has been done. I considered it=2C but I do not believe it has enough wi
ng. The J-3 makes a decent floatplane=2C but has significantly more wing a
rea. It reminds me of a pacer or tri pacer which makes a better speed boat
than float plane. I have almost 200hrs in a tri-pacer on floats. Scared
me more than once. I would call it's performance marginal at best. I thin
k the Piet could do well on floats with about 4ft more wing. But=2C I don'
t know if I want to be the one to tackle the engineering involved.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats
> From: ezdriver(at)sbcglobal.net
> Date: Wed=2C 23 Sep 2009 08:58:43 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
et>
>
> Has anyone ever put the Air Camper on Floats? Pros and Cons please.
>
> --------
> Mike Scovel
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264540#264540
>
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | congratulations to Aircraft Spruce |
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
>Aerospace Corporation]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:21 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: congratulations to Aircraft Spruce
>
>Aerospace Corporation]"
>
>Well that is good to hear. Words and promises are one thing--- action
>and making things
>right is another.
>
>I'm impressed that ACS is getting serious about customer service.
>Reason reigned
>this time--good going Mark.
>
>Mike C.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
This is pretty much a "boiler plate" addition to amateur built
operating limitations.
-john-
On Sep 23, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Matt Redmond wrote:
> Now, that said... When issuing the airworthiness certificate, the
> inspector can make you place in the operating limitations a
> restriction on who may work on the airplane. If that happens, that
> limitation must be followed. I'm not sure how common that is - it
> might be very common - just not sure.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats |
The 1933 Flying and Glider Manual has plans for Pietenpol floats.
http://shop.eaa.org/html/publications_guides.html
Dan
Mike Scovel wrote:
>
> Now that I have seen it done, I am going to pursue this matter a bit farther.
I'll be looking for more replies, hopefully with some technical info and or
Pros/Cons.
>
> --------
> Mike Scovel
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264557#264557
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| From: | CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: congratulations to Aircraft Spruce |
We've found on other lists like Canard Aviators and the Cozy Mk-IV list
that Jim Irwin or someone from Aircraft Spruce closely monitors the lists and
when there is a problem Jim himself often looks into it and facilitates a
good outcome and satisfied customer.
It takes hard work to develop a happy and loyal customer base, only a few
unhappy customers to mess that up. cudos to Jim Irwin for staying on top of
it.
...Chrissi & Randi
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
www.CozyGirrrl.com
Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo
Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details
In a message dated 9/23/2009 2:26:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation]"
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
>Aerospace Corporation]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:21 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: congratulations to Aircraft Spruce
>
>Aerospace Corporation]"
>
>Well that is good to hear. Words and promises are one thing--- action
>and making things
>right is another.
>
>I'm impressed that ACS is getting serious about customer service.
>Reason reigned
>this time--good going Mark.
>
>Mike C.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
John I'd be glad to,but I really don't see a link to your e-mail there.mine is
skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com Raymond
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| From: | "TulsaFlyer" <gbloud1(at)netzero.net> |
In Tulsa, go to TRIDENT.
http://www.trident-metals.com/tul.shtml
Jody
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264612#264612
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | More About A/S from Big Piets |
We are fortunate to have A/S East just about 25 miles from Carrollton, Ga.
We used this for excuses to fly over and pick up parts from time to time.
Over the past 6 years, we bought ALL our parts from A/S and have spent over
$60k on the Big Piets with them. We enjoyed some deep discounts on all
purchases associated with our open account. On any part we found cheaper at
any other supplier, they matched prices with no questions asked. They even
took back anything we ordered when we had just ordered to see how it looked
or would fit out application. All this made our parts purchasing very easy
as we never had to worry about long shipping times ( even back orders
shipped from California took only a few days) or getting the lowest price
possible. We knew when we faxed in an order to Tim or Patrick, we could look
for it to arrive by UPS the next morning.
We're hoping for a spot on the cover of the catalog with the Big Piets.
Barry Davis
Big Piet NX973BP
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| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
Jody-thanks for the reply-also John and any others that may have responded. I did
call the one Tulsa supplier and also one other one and so far what they have
priced me is significantly more expensive than what I can order from Airparts
in Kansas city including shipping plus they sell some other things I need like
some screws and anchor nuts. I'll check with A/S before ordering but looks
like it is cheaper to order than pick up.Raymond
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| From: | "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: cables and turnbuckles! |
Members,
-
Please provide some photos of your cable systems from bell crank to control
stick to front pedals. I am ready to order hardware to make these connecti
on and seeking ideas. Not sure what turnbuckles, thimbles, eye ends, etc...
. Everything installed but needing assistance in the set-up...
-
Anything else-I am missing?.... what about the tension spring or trim sys
tem set-up inside?
-
KMHeide
-
PS...Yes we Fargoians are still building!=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
Bravo for ACS! Technically they probably should not have done that but in fact....they
have. That's good customer service.
Jim in Rapid City (for the week)....where I just watched a B52 doing touch and
go's.....really cool to see those wheels hanging down at a different angle than
the fuse....wow.
-----Original Message-----
>From: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net>
>Sent: Sep 23, 2009 1:03 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How will the vendor do?
>
>
>Problem resolved!
>
>I just received a call from Tawny Castillo at Aircraft Spruce today. She reviewed
the photos I sent with several people (to include Mr. Irwin), and they concluded
that this damage did not look to be caused by the shipper. She said that
they were going to truck (at their expense) a new spar to my location.
>
>I am impressed! Two days after reporting the problem and they totally came through!
I was a little skeptical at first, but I tried to be optimistic. As far
as this particular experience goes, I am a happy customer. Oh, I'm not real
happy that I received faulty "certified" wood, but I am certainly happy that
AS&S is standing behind their product.
>
>Sorry to keep carrying on about this for the last few days... I hope some of you
found this report helpful.
>
>--------
>Mark - working on wings
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264555#264555
>
>
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| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
When I said:
Annual Inspections must also be signed off by an IA, but if during the inspection
a problem is found where a repair is warranted, you may perform the repair
and the IA can sign it off.
I meant to say:
Annual Inspections must also be signed off by an IA&P, or an IA , but if during
the inspection a problem is found where a repair is warranted, you may perform
the repair and the A&P or IA can sign it off.
Sorry for the confusion; Jack Phillips corrected this in a later post, and I concur.
TK
--------
Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Not sure I follow what you mean Jim. What is the technicality? Time? Just curious.
Technically, they should not have sent me cracked wood. Ha ha!
dfwplt wrote:
> Technically they probably should not have done that but in fact....they have.
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| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi Ive never posted before but this seems worthy. Started my Piet in 1993 & made
the first flight Saturday. Flies well. Aesthetically, its strongly influenced
by Frank Pavligas original Sky Gypsy & Don Emchs plane. Ive attempted to
attach a photo. If anyone wishes to contact me please do so via e-mail: kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil.
I dont usually check these lists.
Respectfully submitted,
Kevin Purtee
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| From: | steven sadler <steven244sadler(at)gmail.com> |
Here is what the Matco pneumatic tailwheel looks like when mounted.
Steve
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:07 PM, KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP <
kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have the Matco WHLT-6P Pneumatic tail wheel whereas it *does* disengage
> after several degrees (I believe about 45) of turning then becomes a
> freewheel for them end-a-rounds and tight circles. It is a very nice
> set-up and will appear to work very well.
>
> Can be used with 1-1/4" or 1-1/2" leaf spring. These tail wheels are
> steerable, and are available with a pneumatic tire and tube. Tail wheel
> construction is anodized aluminum. Weight: 5 lbs.
>
> KMHeide
> Village idiot
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 9/22/09, Rick Holland * wrote:
>
>
> From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tailwheels
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 2:37 PM
>
> Matco is full castoring and only $149,
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/lg/tailwheels_matco.html
>
> Rick
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Dan Yocum http://us.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum@fnal.gov>
> > wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>>
>>> taildrags@hotmail.com<http://us.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=taildrags@hotmail.com>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan; the tailwheel on 41CC is a Scott. I can send
>>> you pix of the tailwheel setup if they would be useful.
>>>
>>
>> Mine is supposedly a Scott, too, but it's not a fully castoring tailwheel.
>> Well, it is, but it isn't at the same time. Here's a fuzzy picture to show
>> what I mean:
>>
>> http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/N8031/img_2592
>>
>> The arms are attached to the rudder with the springs and those prevent it
>> from castoring fully.
>>
>> Jeez, AS&S wants a kings ransom for a new Scott 2000 assembly: $1837.65
>> for the full deal and still over $1100 for everything up to the hub and
>> wheel. Think I'll make due with my homemade triangular tailwheel dolly
>> thinga-ma-jig.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>>
>> --
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>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: How will the vendor do? |
Congratulations Mark! That's the kind of results I have had with them each
time there's been a problem (not often).
Gene in Rainy Tennessee
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Hey, wait a minute Kevin... come baaaack!
That is a nice looking bird!
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Kevin,
I'm sure you heard it all before, but I just gotta say it:
That sure is a *Purtee* aeroplane you got there!
Har, har, har. Yes, I'll stoop that low to get a cheap laugh out of a
bad pun.
;-)
Congrats on your newly completed plane and your first flight! Excellent
job! Can we expect to see you at Brodhead, next year?
Cheers,
Dan
kevinpurtee wrote:
>
> Hi Ive never posted before but this seems worthy. Started my Piet in 1993 &
made the first flight Saturday. Flies well. Aesthetically, its strongly influenced
by Frank Pavligas original Sky Gypsy & Don Emchs plane. Ive attempted
to attach a photo. If anyone wishes to contact me please do so via e-mail: kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil.
I dont usually check these lists.
>
> Respectfully submitted,
> Kevin Purtee
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264626#264626
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Fermilab 630.840.6509
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Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Beautiful airplane, Kevin! How does she fly?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Hi ?" I?Tve never posted before but this seems worthy. Started my Piet in
1993 & made the first flight Saturday. Flies well. Aesthetically, it?Ts
strongly influenced by Frank Pavliga?Ts original Sky Gypsy & Don Emch?Ts
plane. I?Tve attempted to attach a photo. If anyone wishes to contact me
please do so via e-mail: kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil. I don?Tt usually check
these lists.
Respectfully submitted,
Kevin Purtee
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Kevin,
I recognize that powerful Corvair up front! Let us know what performance #'s you
come up with and the prop you used...
She's certainly a beauty and I doubt if you could have done a better job if you
took your time, rather than rush through it! ;-)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Hi Ive never posted before but this seems worthy. Started my Piet in 1993 & made
the first flight Saturday. Flies well. Aesthetically, its strongly influenced
by Frank Pavligas original Sky Gypsy & Don Emchs plane. Ive attempted to
attach a photo. If anyone wishes to contact me please do so via e-mail: kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil.
I dont usually check these lists.
Respectfully submitted,
Kevin Purtee
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net> |
WOO HOO. I think that is a wonderful accomplishment. I am envious. Like Gary says
"Come on Man and brag a little" How was the trim? More pictures too.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs all done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: RE: West Coast Gang |
| From: | Robert Ray <rray032003(at)gmail.com> |
Do yall strap a surf board to the top of your Piets?
Russell
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> Oscar,
>
>
> Out West here, we are noted for innovative thinking, and have resolved th
e
> problem with those who may be too =91long=92 for a standard Piet.
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (15 ribs down=85)
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Oscar Zuniga [mailto:taildrags(at)hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:38 AM
> *To:* gboothe5(at)comcast.net
> *Subject:* RE: West Coast Gang
>
>
> Gary; thanks! yeah, those guys are all too tall ;o)
>
> It will be nice to meet lots of you guys out west sometime. I have Piet
> friends strung out all along the route I might take... Texas, Arizona, Ne
w
> Mexico, California, maybe Nevada, and of course in Oregon.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
> To: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> Subject: West Coast Gang
> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:33:03 -0700
>
> Oscar,
>
>
> Here are the group pics, with the line-up below=85.
>
>
> =93At Mike=92s House=94: Ray Krause (Waiex builder/owner and now a Piet B
uilder),
> Mike Hardaway (Piet Builder), Jim Boyer (Piet Builder), Darrel Jones (Pie
t
> Builder), Mike Groah (Piet Builder), Gary Boothe (Piet Builder, and 15 ri
bs
> done in case you didn=92t know), Mike Weaver (Piet Builder), Chris Tracy
(Piet
> Builder).
>
>
> =93In Front of Charlie=92s Piet=94: Mike Weaver, Mike Groah, Chris Tracy
, Ray
> Krause, Jim Boyer, Mike Hardaway, Darrel Jones, Charlie Miller (kneeling.
> That=92s Charlie=92s beautiful Piet that he flew in on =93his longest x-c
ountry
> ever=94).
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (15 ribs down=85)
>
>
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| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | spar material inspection questions |
Again=2C clarification needed on knots...
The specs call for "outer 1/4 of spar height to have knots no more than 1/1
6 W in size - where W is the width of the spar" loosely quoted. When stati
ng W in our case do they mean 4 3/4" divided by 16? Or are they saying 3/4
" divided by 16? The sketch in the specs doesn't show W specifically but t
he reason I ask is that for the middle half of the spar height=2C the knot
can be as large as 1/2 W in diameter - where W is the width of the spar. I
f this is true=2C that means you could have a knot as large as 2 3/8" (or l
ess) and still be ok? That seems like it's a huge knot! Where as if W was
equal the the thickness=2C it would be 3/8" - seems to make more sense to
me....
Anyone clarify this for me?
Tom B.
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| From: | Robert Ray <rray032003(at)gmail.com> |
I just do a search in Google, you'll be suprised however unless
it large volume I rather go with Spruce and Speciality than get the
incorrect product.
Russell
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:38 PM, wrote:
> Contact me off list
>
> John
>
> In a message dated 9/23/2009 2:33:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com writes:
>
> skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
>
> does anybody have the name or number of a supplier in Tulsa or ft. wort
> Dallas area that might sell . .020 or .025 2024 T-3 sheet? I'm going through
> there in the next week but if I can't locate any I'd just as soon go ahead
> and place an order. thanks. Raymond
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: castoring vs. steerable |
You know, with a full castoring tailwheel and good
differential brakes you might be able to pull of a
T-6 parking job. (That's a Harvard to us Canucks,son.)
Clif
The only time you want your tailwheel to fully castor (again in my
opinion--there may be some other very good reasons why this might be
wrong) is
when
you're going less than 5 mph.
Now I am going to have to re-think this whole tailwheel thing. Darn! I
thought I was all done with that!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | RE: West Coast Gang |
Russell,
Slung under the belly seems to work better. We are waiting for that giant
earthquake when everything east of the Sierra's slips into the ocean and we
have endless surfing...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Ray
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: RE: West Coast Gang
Do yall strap a surf board to the top of your Piets?
Russell
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
Oscar,
Out West here, we are noted for innovative thinking, and have resolved the
problem with those who may be too 'long' for a standard Piet.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
_____
From: Oscar Zuniga [mailto:taildrags(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:38 AM
Subject: RE: West Coast Gang
Gary; thanks! yeah, those guys are all too tall ;o)
It will be nice to meet lots of you guys out west sometime. I have Piet
friends strung out all along the route I might take... Texas, Arizona, New
Mexico, California, maybe Nevada, and of course in Oregon.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
_____
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Subject: West Coast Gang
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:33:03 -0700
Oscar,
Here are the group pics, with the line-up below..
"At Mike's House": Ray Krause (Waiex builder/owner and now a Piet Builder),
Mike Hardaway (Piet Builder), Jim Boyer (Piet Builder), Darrel Jones (Piet
Builder), Mike Groah (Piet Builder), Gary Boothe (Piet Builder, and 15 ribs
done in case you didn't know), Mike Weaver (Piet Builder), Chris Tracy (Piet
Builder).
"In Front of Charlie's Piet": Mike Weaver, Mike Groah, Chris Tracy, Ray
Krause, Jim Boyer, Mike Hardaway, Darrel Jones, Charlie Miller (kneeling.
That's Charlie's beautiful Piet that he flew in on "his longest x-country
ever").
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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| Subject: | Re: spar material inspection questions |
| From: | Robert Ray <rray032003(at)gmail.com> |
I would try and stay away from any knots in the bottom 1 1/4 inch of spare
and the top 1 1/2 inch, that just me woods KNOT that expensive. I would
laminate if need be to get clear, pitch pocket, knot free, wood on the outer
edges.
Then again if I don't kill myself it won't be my intellect but the Grace
of God for sure.
I'm sure if you poke around a bit more you can find good wood.
I like look at the bottom and top edges of the spare as a trapeze artist
looks at his rope. Then again I am no expert for sure.
Have a nice day
Russell
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:29 PM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote:
> Again, clarification needed on knots...
>
> The specs call for "outer 1/4 of spar height to have knots no more than
> 1/16 W in size - where W is the width of the spar" loosely quoted. When
> stating W in our case do they mean 4 3/4" divided by 16? Or are they saying
> 3/4" divided by 16? The sketch in the specs doesn't show W specifically but
> the reason I ask is that for the middle half of the spar height, the knot
> can be as large as 1/2 W in diameter - where W is the width of the spar. If
> this is true, that means you could have a knot as large as 2 3/8" (or less)
> and still be ok? That seems like it's a huge knot! Where as if W was equal
> the the thickness, it would be 3/8" - seems to make more sense to me....
>
> Anyone clarify this for me?
>
> Tom B.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: No RPM drop on mag check?? |
| From: | Robert Ray <rray032003(at)gmail.com> |
Why don't you disconnect both mags all input and out put wiring taps,
take an olmmeter and measure resistance across the coils, measure
the resistance to ground hopfully infinity, if they don't match there it
is.
Or if they don't match with in say < or > 15%
Russell
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
>
> tkreiner wrote:
>
>>
>> Dan,
>>
>> Without fully understanding what's going on, and without an extensive
>> knowledge of your engine, it's somewhat difficult to figure out what's going
>> on. A few questions might inform the audience.
>>
>> Are the mags and ignition harnesses, & spark plugs - new, used, worn out?
>> Explain their condition, as it might help.
>>
>>
> One mag is new in the last year. One plug is new 'cause the A&P broke the
> old one during the last Annual. The harness is probably the original from
> 1979 and probably before.
>
>
>> How about the mechanical condition of the engine? Rebuilt? Describe.
>>
>
> 400 SMOH, ~800 hour since new (estimated). Logs are incomplete from before
> 1965, hence the reason for the overhaul. One cylinder was cracked and
> replaced in '65 with "the same oversize." Compressions are all in the mid
> to high 70's.
>
> I sent out a sample of the oil for analysis and no red flags were found.
>
> This plane and engine has flown over 150 tach hours in the last 18 months
> and 50 hours in the 2 weeks leading up to Oshkosh!
>
>
>> What fuel are you using?
>>
>
> 100LL with one shot of Marvel Mystery Oil per 15 gallons.
>
>
>> Perhaps there's no problem at all. Even though our expectation is that
>> the engine SHOULD show an rpm drop, that is not always the case... On a
>> plane I fly regularly, the entire ignition system was recently replaced,
>> i.e., new mags, harnesses, plugs, and correctly timed. When the plane was
>> put back into service, there was an imperceptible rpm drop.
>>
>> It turned out, with a near perfect ignition system, clean fuel, etc., the
>> engine was burning so clean and completely that there was no discernible
>> drop in rpm during mag check.
>>
>
> That's what I'm leaning toward, too. When Tres flew it from California
> they flew it flat out as fast and lean as it would go for as long as
> possible.
>
>
>> Hope this adds some insight.
>>
>>
> It does! I'm a glass half-full kind of guy but I like to make sure there
> aren't any holes in the glass, too.
>
> The fact that at least one other engine out there in the world exhibits the
> same sort of behaviour suggests that mine isn't completely alone. 2 data
> points are always better than 1 (but still not great...).
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
>
>
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| From: | Ameet Savant <ameetsavant(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: spar material inspection questions |
The W stands for the thickness of the spar i.e. 3/4". The actual width of the spar
is referred to as the height of the spar. You will also notice as a general
spar selection rule, no knot can be larger than 1/2" in size or diameter.
I don't know about AS&S, but Wick's at least promises to better that standard by not letting any spar material to have a knot larger than 1/8". Read http://www.wicksaircraft.com/links/Wicks_Links/44_Wicks%20adv.pdf
Ameet Savant
________________________________
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:29:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: spar material inspection questions
Again, clarification needed on knots...
The specs call for "outer 1/4 of spar height to have knots no more than 1/16 W
in size - where W is the width of the spar" loosely quoted. When stating W in
our case do they mean 4 3/4" divided by 16? Or are they saying 3/4" divided
by 16? The sketch in the specs doesn't show W specifically but the reason I ask
is that for the middle half of the spar height, the knot can be as large as
1/2 W in diameter - where W is the width of the spar. If this is true, that
means you could have a knot as large as 2 3/8" (or less) and still be ok? That
seems like it's a huge knot! Where as if W was equal the the thickness, it
would be 3/8" - seems to make more sense to me....
Anyone clarify this for me?
Tom B.
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
I bought my Corvair core from Kevin Purtee and he was kind enough to start up his
Corvair at that time, and that was a big inspiration for me!
BTW, one of the reasons his project took so long is because he served at least
one tour of duty I know of in Iraq, flying Apache helicopters.
Way to go, Kevin!
John F.
GN-1 / Corvair
Richmond, TX
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
>Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:01 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
>
>
>Hi ?" I?Tve never posted before but this seems worthy. Started my Piet in
>1993 & made the first flight Saturday. Flies well. Aesthetically, it?Ts
>strongly influenced by Frank Pavliga?Ts original Sky Gypsy & Don Emch?Ts
>plane. I?Tve attempted to attach a photo. If anyone wishes to contact me
>please do so via e-mail: kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil. I don?Tt usually check
>these lists.
>
>Respectfully submitted,
>Kevin Purtee
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264626#264626
>
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Kevin Purtee's First Flight |
CONGRATULATIONS Kevin and thank you for posting a photo of your Corvair-powered
Air Camper.
Looks great.
Way to stay with it over your 16 year building period !
Mike C.
in Ohio
PS-- may we ask what part of the country you live in ?
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Steve,
I began taxi testing with a single-leaf spring setup as your photo shows yo
u have and found out that it slapped
around back there-was not stiff enough so I added a second leaf and bound t
he two together with a strap
fitting.
Two good reasons for this. Should you break one leaf spring (I've had it
happen) the second leaf spring will keep your
tailwheel from bashing up into your rudder and making a mess.
Secondly-if one leaf breaks you still have control of your tailwheel as it
will stay in position.
Tony Bingelis has a great section in his books where he shows how to drill
holes (you simply use a masonry bit) in spring
steel leafs and how to re-contour/shape without using heat. You don't want
to use heat to bend a spring.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper on floats |
| From: | "Mike Scovel" <ezdriver(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I want to thank everyone for their input. I am still in the research mode. Hopefully
I can begin building next year. finishing a VariEze at the moment. Utilizing
the Corvair engine with the 5th Bearing arrangement. Looking forward
to being an active member on this site as soon as I start building and maybe before.
--------
Mike Scovel
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264681#264681
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Kevin, first off, let me thank you for your service to our country. One vet
eran to another, I SALUTE! you sir.
-
I agree with some of the other posts...we need more pictures...landing gear
, cock pits, tail, etc.- We also need more specs. and flight characterist
ics. Looks great!
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Roger, Niner-Niner Kilo Papa-! You sure did learn some
good lessons from Frank's and Don's airplanes. I'm
curious as to whether your Corvair has a nitrided crank
in it. That metal prop out there puts a little bit more
load on it than a wooden one does, I think.
Very pretty airplane; now we need performance numbers!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Niner Kilo Papa, my bad... looks like you have an adjustable
composite prop on that Corvair and not a metal one.
I notice that you used the cable X-bracing in the cabanes
rather than the brace struts going forward. It makes it
just a little bit more dicey for getting a passenger in
that front 'pit, eh? But since you're still in test mode,
you won't be flying anybody up front there for a while.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Eyebrow cowl for corvair |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Ryan Mueller sent a nice e-mail and suggested I share more details, specifically
about the cowl. As I figure out the picture posting thing I will.
Anyway, for those interested in the corvair cowl this is what I sent to Ryan:
Hi Ryan - Thanks for the kind words.
I've got more pictures of the cowl than you want. I'll try to figure out how to
post them on the list for others. Regardless, I'll send some of the ones that
give construction details to you. The other thing I need to do is send them
to the west coast piet guy. That's been an invaluable resource.
Here's how it went, and it came out okay pretty much by accident:
- I stole shamelessly from Hans Van der Voort. He lives about an hour from me
so we (there's a girl involved) looked at his cowl before starting mine. Mostly
I used his attachment methods - pieces of angle attached to the fire wall used
as tabs to attach the sheet metal.
- Started with the bottom plate. I have access to good sheet metal people at work
so I carefully measured and marked that piece and had them bend it for me
at work. Could've done it myself but it came out lots better by the pros. The
rest of the metal we did by hand in the hangar. That base piece made for very
tidy seams on the bottom.
- We used poster board for the mock-up and cut out what was in the way, not worrying
about having it all hang out. Makes it really easy to pre-flight.
- I cut out a plywood disk for the front, and then started hacking away until the
eyebrow cowls were not obstructed from the front.
- Used a whole bunch of pop rivets and it firmed right up. Durable so far.
Hope this helps. I'll post this on the list for others with questions. Again,
I'll try to figure out the picture thing.
Kevin
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264688#264688
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Thanks for the kind thoughts from everyone. I'll put together a "briefing" with
descriptions and pictures and so forth. In the meantime, I'd like to answer
some questions. Not sure what the protocol is, but here goes:
Jack Phillips - You'd be amazed at the amount of time I've spent looking at your
plane on west coast piet. Appreciate it! My machine flies nicely, very well-behaved.
It's heavy (nick-named "fat bottomed girl") but takes off and climbs
with enthusiasm.
Jerry Dotson - Trim. Needs lots of back pressure at lower speeds. Gets better
as it gets above 75.
Oscar - This is a William W. circa 2005 conversion, so yes, the crank is nitrided.
Thought about the 5th bearing but will wait until the rebuild. 68" warp
drive prop from William at 7 degrees pitch. Works great so far. X-bracing -
cogitated on that for a long time and then looked at Mr. Pietenpol's planes and
went with him. I'm 5'11" and 190 lbs and can get in the front seat without
too much drama. Based on the fat airplane I've built, I can't take big people
anyway.
Everyone - what I know so far:
- Empty weight 750.
- It takes off good and sprightly.
- I've tried two landings at 60 mph. Thumped them both. 65 works much better.
Probably my technique.
- It stalls at some ridiculously low speed. I have to use both hands to keep the
stick back to keep it stalled. Stay on top of the rudder and it just flutters
gently down
- It flies happily anywhere between 50 and 95 mph (airspeed indicator not calibrated
yet). 95 is a bit breezy.
- Static rpm is 2650. WOT in level flight gives 2750.
- It's burning about 5 gph in my lazy circles above the airfield.
- The only problems with landings thus far is my technique.
Anyway, I'll put together a more detailed look for everyone. Again, thanks for
the nice thoughts.
Kevin
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264692#264692
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
Dan, If I recall correctly, in my minds eye, making your current t/w assemb
ly steerable-would not be very tough.- Just weld some ears on it to att
atch cables to and run the cables up through the aft belly and nicopress th
em to the rudder cables behind the seat.- All you may need to make might
be a few fittings to put cable fairleads in.- It might be better to weld
up the lower part of the tail wheel "fork" to get a better fit for a steeri
ng arm.- Check out west coast piet and look at some pics of Don Emch's t/
w, simple and easy to control.- Ours is similar and I have had it in 25-3
0mph gusty x-winds on pavement, and it can be an airplane saver.- Compari
ng it to the fixed t/w we had before steerable is 300% easier and more enjo
yable.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: castoring vs. steerable |
Hi Dan,
Since your TW is a clip-on to your tail skid for those rare instances
when you'll be flying into paved runways, why not just use a
non-castoring wheel? I'm fairly certain that's what the Sonex folks do...
Dan
helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> The only time you want your tailwheel to fully castor (again in my
> opinion--there may be some other very good reasons why this might be
> wrong) is
> when
> you're going less than 5 mph.
>
> Now I am going to have to re-think this whole tailwheel thing. Darn! I
> thought I was all done with that!
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
kevinpurtee wrote:
> - I've tried two landings at 60 mph. Thumped them both. 65 works much better.
Probably my technique.
Nope, I don't think it's your technique. That's just the way Mr.
Pietenpol's airfoil works. I just bought N8031 about 6 weeks ago and
I've noticed that keeping the speed higher than I think I should on
short final results in pretty nice three pointers (though I'm still
hooking the tail a little bit...). Mike Cuy made the same observation
about keeping the speed up a few weeks ago on the list (thanks Mike!).
Cheers,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
Fermilab. Just zeros and ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Eyebrow cowl for corvair |
| From: | at7000ft <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
I shamelessly also used the Van der Voort eyebrow plans and they worked
great, thank you Hans.
Rick
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 7:42 AM, kevinpurtee wrote:
> kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
>
> Ryan Mueller sent a nice e-mail and suggested I share more details,
> specifically about the cowl. As I figure out the picture posting thing I
> will.
>
> Anyway, for those interested in the corvair cowl this is what I sent to
> Ryan:
>
> Hi Ryan - Thanks for the kind words.
>
> I've got more pictures of the cowl than you want. I'll try to figure out
> how to post them on the list for others. Regardless, I'll send some of the
> ones that give construction details to you. The other thing I need to do is
> send them to the west coast piet guy. That's been an invaluable resource.
>
> Here's how it went, and it came out okay pretty much by accident:
>
> - I stole shamelessly from Hans Van der Voort. He lives about an hour from
> me so we (there's a girl involved) looked at his cowl before starting mine.
> Mostly I used his attachment methods - pieces of angle attached to the fire
> wall used as tabs to attach the sheet metal.
>
> - Started with the bottom plate. I have access to good sheet metal people
> at work so I carefully measured and marked that piece and had them bend it
> for me at work. Could've done it myself but it came out lots better by the
> pros. The rest of the metal we did by hand in the hangar. That base piece
> made for very tidy seams on the bottom.
>
> - We used poster board for the mock-up and cut out what was in the way, not
> worrying about having it all hang out. Makes it really easy to pre-flight.
>
> - I cut out a plywood disk for the front, and then started hacking away
> until the eyebrow cowls were not obstructed from the front.
>
> - Used a whole bunch of pop rivets and it firmed right up. Durable so far.
>
> Hope this helps. I'll post this on the list for others with questions.
> Again, I'll try to figure out the picture thing.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264688#264688
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | :ee bottom fly-in |
Mike C and anyone else thinking of going,
Received the below email just now.
Skip
Its A Wash - Almost
Due to unprecedented rainfall for September and the ongoing forecast of
such, the Wood, Fabric, & Tailwheels Fly-In will ESSENTIALLY (see rain date
below) be cancelled for the first time in thirteen years. Amazingly, the
runway is still firm but the parking areas, car and plane, are saturated
beyond anything we have ever seen. As you can imagine, this is a difficult
decision for us to make. If we had received just one day of sunshine this
week, the fly-in would still be on but we did not and the forecast is for
continuous rain through Saturday.
When first started, the purpose of the Wood, Fabric, & Tailwheels Fly-In
was to give people a reason to fly and it worked. Every year since, we
have added or improved the parking and spent more money to make the event
the best we could. This year was no exception as our sponsors, our
supporters, and of course Ginger and myself, put more effort into this one
than ever before. It is therefore even more disappointing to cancel. Our
warmest thanks go out to everyone who already saw the writing on the wall
and called to voice their support and understanding in an attempt to cheer
us up.
RAIN DATE: This Sunday sort of.
The weather forecast predicts sunshine for Sunday and anyone who is close
enough and sporting enough to fly or drive in is welcome to join us as for
a cookout at 12:30. Please email us at info(at)leebottom.com if you plan to
be here so we have an idea of how much to grill. Note: if you drive you
might be parking on the side of the road and if you fly youll be parking
wherever the parking areas are not saturated.
And finally, many years ago when things were below average for me, I made a
promise that any time I thought times were tough, I would remind myself
that somewhere they were worse for someone else. Therefore, we have
already shifted our efforts towards figuring out the most effective way to
give any unused food to those in need. This, for both of us, is an easy
choice and we hope you agree.
Ginger Davidson
Lee Bottom Flying Field
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | airspeeds on final approach |
I've experimented with various airspeeds on final and I can divide my results
up into a few simple categories:
Power-off approach:
60 mph indicated: very steep angle to keep speed up, a few seconds in the flare/roundout
to feel for the runway
55 mph indicated: still a steep angle too keep speed up but not as dramatic.
Less time in the flare, not much at all.
Power-on slightly approach
60 mph indicated: Chopping the power as you roundout. Lots of time in the float
and a much shallower approach angle.
55 mph indicated: Chopping the power as you roundout. Less time in the float
and same shallower approach angle.
The first few times I landed my plane I flared high and plunked it in a bit.
You have to get a lot lower than
you think to touch down nicely in a Pietenpol and if you flare too high you're
going to drop out onto the runway
because there's much drag associated with our planes so they don't nearly float
like a Champ, Taylorcraft, or Luscombe
might.
Lastly-I have used 50 mph indicated on power off approaches to fly into a friends
1,300' strip and boy
let me just say that you have to round out right next to Mother Earth and expect
milliseconds in the float:)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | 16 years to complete Kevin's airplane-- explained ! |
He lives about an hour from me so we (there's a girl involved)
There you have it:)) Kidding Kevin.
Built my plane between marriages and it took 4.5 years. (or like Jack P. would
say practice wife)
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
I think it's done a lot of different ways as each plane is a little
different. I don't pay much attention to my ASI. I do have a manual AOA
and I pay more attention to it than I do the ASI. It's all about
conditions and flying by feel and sound. Normal landing I come in fairly
high and slow, cut the power, make a rather steep descent to my landing spot
and just before touch-down I add about 50 rpm and a fair share of the time I
can't tell when the wheels touch, in a 3 point. If I don't add power there
may be a minor bounce but still not too bad (although at first I bounced it
bad enough to have to go around) I would guess I'm over the fence at about
55 mph and touch down around 40mph. I suspect it's a lot about how your
plane is rigged.
The madness behind my style is that I strongly believe your chances of
walking away from a crash is hughly increased the slower your going when you
hit, so it's good practice for the day I have to set down somewhere I may
not be real keen to be.
Whatever the style you use, if you get to use the plane again, it must have
been right.
Gene N502R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight
">
>> - I've tried two landings at 60 mph. Thumped them both. 65 works much
>> better. Probably my technique.
>
> >
>>
>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
05:52:00
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| Subject: | Re: leaf springs |
| From: | steven sadler <steven244sadler(at)gmail.com> |
Michael,
Thanks for the info.
Did you run a full length second spring, or just partway back?
I made this from a set of trailer springs and kept the unused pieces just i
n
case I wanted to double up later.
I didn't do any heat bending, just used pretty much the original shape,
although I did recurve slightly at one end with a 12 ton press.
It was surprising how easy the whole thing was to machine, both with a
milling machine to reduce the width, then taper the ends and to drill the
holes - kept the bit speed slow, the feed rate low, and lots of coolant. My
drill bit was a good quality bit from a machining store but nothing
particularly exotic.
(Incidentally, the non -aircraft bolts are just temporary)
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] wrote:
> Steve,
>
>
> I began taxi testing with a single-leaf spring setup as your photo shows
> you have and found out that it slapped
>
> around back there=97was not stiff enough so I added a second leaf and bou
nd
> the two together with a strap
>
> fitting.
>
>
> Two good reasons for this. Should you break one leaf spring (I=92ve had
it
> happen) the second leaf spring will keep your
>
> tailwheel from bashing up into your rudder and making a mess.
>
>
> Secondly=97if one leaf breaks you still have control of your tailwheel as
it
> will stay in position.
>
>
> Tony Bingelis has a great section in his books where he shows how to dril
l
> holes (you simply use a masonry bit) in spring
>
> steel leafs and how to re-contour/shape without using heat. You don=92t
want
> to use heat to bend a spring.
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> *
>
===========
===========
===========
===========
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: airspeeds on final approach |
| From: | Lloyd Smith <lesmith240(at)gmail.com> |
Mike, good info. You speak of "plunking". This leads me to ask about the
additional wing span that many have commented on. My tailwheel time is in a
C-140 some years ago, and the one thing that struck me the most was the
float with *any* extra speed as you flared it. Since I'm dimensionally
challenged in width, the comments about adding span to the wings caught my
eye. I seem to recall some have wider center sections, but only a foot or
so. Added fuel is a side benefit here.
Now, to add to the wing panels (3 piece) do you just add a bay (rib) to each
and would it be more beneficial to do so inboard or outboard of the strut
attach? I'm thinking here of the strut angle and loading as well as
additional bending forces on the spar if placed outboard. One extra rib bay
and wide center section should provide the additional 4' amount I see
discussed. I'm interested in all thoughts on this.
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] wrote:
> Aerospace Corporation]"
>
> I've experimented with various airspeeds on final and I can divide my
> results
> up into a few simple categories:
>
> Power-off approach:
>
> 60 mph indicated: very steep angle to keep speed up, a few seconds in the
> flare/roundout to feel for the runway
> 55 mph indicated: still a steep angle too keep speed up but not as
> dramatic. Less time in the flare, not much at all.
>
> Power-on slightly approach
>
> 60 mph indicated: Chopping the power as you roundout. Lots of time in the
> float and a much shallower approach angle.
> 55 mph indicated: Chopping the power as you roundout. Less time in the
> float and same shallower approach angle.
>
>
> The first few times I landed my plane I flared high and plunked it in a
> bit. You have to get a lot lower than
> you think to touch down nicely in a Pietenpol and if you flare too high
> you're going to drop out onto the runway
> because there's much drag associated with our planes so they don't nearly
> float like a Champ, Taylorcraft, or Luscombe
> might.
>
>
> Lastly-I have used 50 mph indicated on power off approaches to fly into a
> friends 1,300' strip and boy
> let me just say that you have to round out right next to Mother Earth and
> expect milliseconds in the float:)
>
>
--
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: spousal aviation support, or not |
I am one of the lucky few that has a loving wife, (just had our 17th annive
rsary) that has no problems with my hobbies. She has been through my car ph
ase, plastic/wood model phase, RC models phase, (choppers/buggys/truck) dru
mming, and now-the the Piet.- We went to a show last year and saw Mike
C.s plane. That was on a Saturday. My wife and I talked about it Sunday and
Monday I ordered my plans.- When I asked her: "So, what do you think abo
ut this plane deal?"- She said: "If that is what you want to do, I don't
care."- How cool is that!?- She helps me on it anytime I need and takes
time to take pictures for me and even get in a few shots herself.
-
I don't know how you guys do it with a not so understanding significant oth
er, but my hats' off to you.
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| Subject: | Re: spousal aviation support, or not |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I'm with ya there speedbrake... my wife has been supportive on most of my hobbies.
She and my son especially like the Piet project. We get to hang out at the
airport and they already know how fun it is to ride in one (Thanks Bill R.
and Don E.).
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Kevin Purtee's First Flight |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi Mike - Love your plane. Been looking at it for years.
I'm in Houston, TX.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264755#264755
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| Subject: | Re: 16 years to complete Kevin's airplane-- explained |
!
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
There's some truth to that. My life circumstances have changed significantly over
the last two years, to include an airplane friendly girlfriend, so progress
really picked up.
There was other stuff, too, but, yeah, married was definitely a factor.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264759#264759
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| Subject: | Video of NX899KP |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Here's a youtube link. The girl made this up. The takeoff is really the 1st takeoff,
the landing was chosen from a collection of several. I asked her to not
use the real first landing (bounce).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDj-LQ0cfyk
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264761#264761
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | leaf spring installation sketches |
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Brian Jardine is my new hero |
I bought a 3000 sq ft hangar, >converted 1000 sq feet into a 2-story condo inside.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: spousal aviation support, or not |
she have a sister?
In a message dated 9/24/2009 3:05:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jim_markle(at)mindspring.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
My story is also a good one. I was working on the instrument panel last
week and my wife walked into the shop. As she was sweeping up (ok, I mad
e
up that first part) but she did look at the panel and say "when are you
going to stop changing that thing and just install it and move ahead?"...
..
Not only is it fantastic that she's encouraging me to keep going
but....she actually notices what I'm working on and what's going on with
it...wow.
I didn't actually realize she was paying that much attention.
She once considered taking weekly pictures of my shop to see if any new
tools showed up in "this week's picture" that weren't in "last week's
picture"....she didn't but probably should have!
And anytime I order a tool and try to justify the expense with "But I
won't spend much since I'm getting it at Harbor Freight or wherever..."
she
always says no, let's spend the money and get ONLY quality tools. Let's
not
waste any money on anything less than the best.
She has made it VERY clear that SHE will get the first passenger ride and
many more rides together after that...
Life is good..
-----Original Message-----
>From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
>Sent: Sep 24, 2009 12:00 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
>
>Mine is a similar story...the practice wife hated any kind of aviation.
After the divorce and dust settled, I bought a 3000 sq ft hangar, convert
ed
1000 sq feet into a 2-story condo inside, which my buddies have nicked
named the (slut hut), and the rest is my Piet factory. It's full speed ah
ead on
Piet building, and nice not to have someone say are you coming in from th
e
garage yet? Oh wait..I live in that big fancy garage. :)
>
>Brian
>SLC, UT
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Micha
el D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation]
>Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:30 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: spousal aviation support, or not
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation]"
>
>Kenny Mellert is a really cool old guy at a local airport and about 10
years ago
>he decided after raising a family and having grandkids that he would get
back
>into flying after a 40 year hiatus.
>
>Kenny's wife despised anything to do with airplanes and flying and
threatened
>to divorce Kenny if he went out and bought that Cessna 172 he'd had his
eye on.
>The then 70 year old Kenny said he'd put up with enough of her bullshit
over
>the years (excuse Kenny's French but that's how he told the story) and
told
>Barb "well I'm gonna miss you honey" and went out and BOUGHT that 172
and has
>flown the heck out of it the past 10 years.
>
>Barb never did divorce him. He's a bit disappointed that she didn
=99t
keep her word. Now that's LOVE !
>
>Mike C.
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | airspeeds on final approach |
| From: | "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> |
"Dimensionally challenged in width" - nice phrase.
Being narrower than average shouldn't cause any problems.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: spousal aviation support, or not |
| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
I had to sell my Piet project during the divorce of my trainer wife. I actually
shed a tear as it went down the road(the Piet not the wife). Several years later
while Sue and I were at Brodhead and just a couple weeks before our wedding.
I found out that my Piet was again up for sale due to health problems with
the owner. My newfound love not only suggested that I buy it back but offered
it as a wedding gift to me. I was dumbfounded. I am keeping both of them for life
this time around. Sue is extremely supportive of my working on the Piet and
will often suggest that I go out to work in the shop because she knows that
makes me happy. She gets the first ride too!
--------
PAPA MIKE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264775#264775
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
>She has made it VERY clear that SHE will get the first passenger ride
>and many more rides together after that...
That's a GREAT story of support from your wife Jim. When I was dating Karen
during the building process she would often times work on the plane with me,
drill holes, glue stuff and had some good suggestions. She's the one who found
my Comet racing go-kart brakes at a nearby Toro dealer who also sold go-karts.
Karen was my first passenger. I met her an undisclosed airport and we did
the ride there since I did not have my 40 hours flown off yet. I knew the plane
had enough hours on it where the bugs were ironed out by then.
I have full support from Karen when I want to go out to the hangar, to a fly-in,
or just hang around airplanes here, there , or anywhere.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Video of NX899KP |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Neato Kevin! Those are some tight quarters at that field, but it sure looks quaint
and secluded. Thanks for sharing.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264778#264778
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| Subject: | Re: spousal aviation support, or not |
| From: | "Paul N. Peckham" <peckham9(at)countryspeed.com> |
When my wife and I were first married, she was into antiques and I was into airplanes.
With an idea that I thought was worthy of Solomon, I said, " Hey, why
don't we combine the two.........antique airplanes." Needless to say, that didn't
fly (no pun intended). We've been married 26 years and there's a lot I
don't understand yet, but for the most part, she tolerates me and my obsession.
Paul
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264779#264779
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| Subject: | Re: Brian Jardine is my new hero |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
The slut hut? Some kind of strange works going on in that Piet plant.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: airspeeds on final approach |
| From: | Lloyd Smith <lesmith240(at)gmail.com> |
Ha ha ha, if only that were the case.
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Bill Church wrote:
> "Dimensionally challenged in width" - nice phrase.
>
> Being narrower than average shouldn't cause any problems.
>
> **
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." --British
publisher and writer Ernest Benn (1875-1954)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | totally unrelated--but if you like North American P-51 |
Mustangs
By far this was the best warbird event my wife and I have ever been to--- G
athering
of Mustangs and Legends in Columbus, Ohio two years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5hIR5BJoq0&feature=related
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: spousal aviation support, or not |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
You are a lucky man Mike.
Rick
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:22 PM, 899PM wrote:
>
> I had to sell my Piet project during the divorce of my trainer wife. I
> actually shed a tear as it went down the road(the Piet not the wife).
> Several years later while Sue and I were at Brodhead and just a couple weeks
> before our wedding. I found out that my Piet was again up for sale due to
> health problems with the owner. My newfound love not only suggested that I
> buy it back but offered it as a wedding gift to me. I was dumbfounded. I am
> keeping both of them for life this time around. Sue is extremely supportive
> of my working on the Piet and will often suggest that I go out to work in
> the shop because she knows that makes me happy. She gets the first ride too!
>
> --------
> PAPA MIKE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264775#264775
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Kevin,
Congratulations!!!!!! There is really nothing quite like it. Several years from
now you'll still look back and think, "huh, I really did do that, didn't I...".
The more you land that thing, the better it will get. The more you fly it the
more you will like it. I could go the rest of my life and never fly anything
else and I would be perfectly happy as a pilot. The little quirks have just kind
of grown on me to the point that I just really enjoy them.
The ship is really beautiful. I really like the style of it (imagine that, huh?).
And what's kind of funny is that you'll probably never get tired of just
looking at it.
Fly safe and enjoy it!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264808#264808
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
I"m getting ready to make my hubs for my spoked wheels so I thought I better decide
on my braking system first. Right now I am leaning towards using band brakes
ala, Simon McCormick, Larry Wiiliams and Dennis Hall. All three seem to have
used the same brake design, at least the drums look very similar. Does anyone
know whose band brakes these are? Are they from Northern Tool?
By the way I was planning on going to Lee Bottom tomorrow morning and returning
Sunday. With the rain I'll play it by ear. My Wife just said she would still
like to fly in on Sunday if the weather clears. The Davidson's are still going
to have a Barbecue on Sunday if conditions permit. Fortunately for us its less
than a 2 hour flight. Is anyone else going in on Sunday?
Rick S
Valparaiso IN
Richard Schreiber
lmforge(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Straight Axle Wood Gear |
While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want to say this
has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on the Piet. It certainly
has been complex, but not the monster I thought it was going to be. This in
thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey has posted on his website. Thank you
again Chris! You have undoubtedly saved me many hours of grief and expense
in wasted material. From the begriming I had always planned on doing the wood,
straight axle gear. For six years now I have dreaded/feared having to do it!
I was always envious of those who had completed theirs, hoping for the day where
I would have mine done. Now I am there and I can honestly say I see the light
at the end of the tunnel for finishing my Piet. For those that are just starting,
or are part way along, have faith!!! You can do this. Its not that hard.
For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to do when we
are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and fly?
P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands now, just before
the spreader bars were added..
Rick Schreiber
lmforge(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: spousal aviation support, or not |
Sue sounds like a smart lady, who also knows how to 'stick it' to the ex!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of 899PM
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spousal aviation support, or not
I had to sell my Piet project during the divorce of my trainer wife. I
actually shed a tear as it went down the road(the Piet not the wife).
Several years later while Sue and I were at Brodhead and just a couple weeks
before our wedding. I found out that my Piet was again up for sale due to
health problems with the owner. My newfound love not only suggested that I
buy it back but offered it as a wedding gift to me. I was dumbfounded. I am
keeping both of them for life this time around. Sue is extremely supportive
of my working on the Piet and will often suggest that I go out to work in
the shop because she knows that makes me happy. She gets the first ride too!
--------
PAPA MIKE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264775#264775
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Straight Axle Wood Gear |
Richard,
Your work looks very precise! The best thing about Chris' method is that you
get another workbench for a few weeks.;-)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want to say
this has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on the Piet. It
certainly has been complex, but not the monster I thought it was going to
be. This in thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey has posted on his
website. Thank you again Chris! You have undoubtedly saved me many hours of
grief and expense in wasted material. From the begriming I had always
planned on doing the wood, straight axle gear. For six years now I have
dreaded/feared having to do it! I was always envious of those who had
completed theirs, hoping for the day where I would have mine done. Now I am
there and I can honestly say I see the light at the end of the tunnel for
finishing my Piet. For those that are just starting, or are part way along,
have faith!!! You can do this. Its not that hard.
For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to do when
we are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and fly?
P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands now, just
before the spreader bars were added..
Rick Schreiber
lmforge(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Straight Axle Wood Gear |
Gary,
My biggest problem was ceiling height. I am building in a walkout basement. I actually
had to remove some of the ceiling tiles to work on the gear,
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
Sent: 9/24/2009 7:12:14 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
Richard,
Your work looks very precise! The best thing about Chris method is that you get
another workbench for a few weeks.;-)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want to say this
has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on the Piet. It certainly
has been complex, but not the monster I thought it was going to be. This in
thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey has posted on his website. Thank you
again Chris! You have undoubtedly saved me many hours of grief and expense
in wasted material. From the begriming I had always planned on doing the wood,
straight axle gear. For six years now I have dreaded/feared having to do it!
I was always envious of those who had completed theirs, hoping for the day where
I would have mine done. Now I am there and I can honestly say I see the light
at the end of the tunnel for finishing my Piet. For those that are just starting,
or are part way along, have faith!!! You can do this. Its not that hard.
For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to do when we
are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and fly?
P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands now, just before
the spreader bars were added..
Rick Schreiber
lmforge(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Video of NX899KP |
Kevin,
Thanks for the video!...practically a vertical takeoff! I would love to see
some pics of your engine during the cowl fitting process. Is your engine
mount longer?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Video of NX899KP
Here's a youtube link. The girl made this up. The takeoff is really the
1st takeoff, the landing was chosen from a collection of several. I asked
her to not use the real first landing (bounce).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDj-LQ0cfyk
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264761#264761
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Straight Axle Wood Gear |
Gary:
How are your wings progressing? I started out by doing my wing ribs and stored
them at various locations until I built my wings. I was really amazed at how much
room the ribs and spars took up once assembled into wings.
Rick S
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
Sent: 9/24/2009 7:12:14 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
Richard,
Your work looks very precise! The best thing about Chris method is that you get
another workbench for a few weeks.;-)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want to say this
has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on the Piet. It certainly
has been complex, but not the monster I thought it was going to be. This in
thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey has posted on his website. Thank you
again Chris! You have undoubtedly saved me many hours of grief and expense
in wasted material. From the begriming I had always planned on doing the wood,
straight axle gear. For six years now I have dreaded/feared having to do it!
I was always envious of those who had completed theirs, hoping for the day where
I would have mine done. Now I am there and I can honestly say I see the light
at the end of the tunnel for finishing my Piet. For those that are just starting,
or are part way along, have faith!!! You can do this. Its not that hard.
For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to do when we
are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and fly?
P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands now, just before
the spreader bars were added..
Rick Schreiber
lmforge(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Straight Axle Wood Gear |
You had to ask! Are you a friend of Chris Tracy? He's always giving me
grief
that HE has HIS ribs done! Right now I'm on the center section. Wings to
follow.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
Gary:
How are your wings progressing? I started out by doing my wing ribs and
stored them at various locations until I built my wings. I was really
amazed
at how much room the ribs and spars took up once assembled into wings.
Rick S
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: 9/24/2009 7:12:14 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
Richard,
Your work looks very precise! The best thing about Chris=12 method is
that you
get another workbench for a few weeks.;-)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want to
say
this has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on the Piet.
It
certainly has been complex, but not the monster I thought it was going
to
be. This in thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey has posted on his
website. Thank you again Chris! You have undoubtedly saved me many hours
of
grief and expense in wasted material. From the begriming I had always
planned on doing the wood, straight axle gear. For six years now I have
dreaded/feared having to do it! I was always envious of those who had
completed theirs, hoping for the day where I would have mine done. Now I
am
there and I can honestly say I see the light at the end of the tunnel
for
finishing my Piet. For those that are just starting, or are part way
along,
have faith!!! You can do this. Its not that hard.
For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to do
when
we are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and fly?
P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands now,
just
before the spreader bars were added..
Rick Schreiber
lmforge(at)earthlink.net
<>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Richard,
These are go-kart brakes. www.gokartsupply.com
<http://www.gokartsupply.com/>
.I'm using non-stretch bungees..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Band Brakes
I"m getting ready to make my hubs for my spoked wheels so I thought I better
decide on my braking system first. Right now I am leaning towards using band
brakes ala, Simon McCormick, Larry Wiiliams and Dennis Hall. All three seem
to have used the same brake design, at least the drums look very similar.
Does anyone know whose band brakes these are? Are they from Northern Tool?
By the way I was planning on going to Lee Bottom tomorrow morning and
returning Sunday. With the rain I'll play it by ear. My Wife just said she
would still like to fly in on Sunday if the weather clears. The Davidson's
are still going to have a Barbecue on Sunday if conditions permit.
Fortunately for us its less than a 2 hour flight. Is anyone else going in on
Sunday?
Rick S
Valparaiso IN
Richard Schreiber
lmforge(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Video of NX899KP |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi Gary - I'll send you some cowl photos. I'll also post some here. I realize
others may be interested.
I did extend the engine mount. I think it was 1-2 inches. Sorry. It was a long
time ago.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264843#264843
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi Don - Appreciate the nice thoughts. I look forward to photographing the two
planes together at some point!
Don't know if you remember me asking you about the lettering several months back.
I ended up using stick-on vinyl for the letters on the wing - worked great.
I used the vinyl as a stencil for the tail and peeled it off after painting
- also worked well. When I went to get the stencils made I took pictures of
your plane and told the guy, "Make that font, please."
Take care,
Kevin
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264848#264848
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Conkling" <hpvs(at)southwind.net> |
| Subject: | Re: cables and turnbuckles! |
Hello Folks!
The bits and pieces are slowly looking like aeroplane parts at our
house, so I was wondering what "flavor" of 3/32" cable has been used for
the tail bracing ( 1x19 , 7x7, or ???) -- and on the steel fittings,
has anyone used the 5/8 x .080 4130N strip from AS&S? (or did everyone
get thier's CNC cut!!??) -- I do have some of the 1" x .090 strip for
the misc. strap fittings.
Cheers!
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | cables and turnbuckles! |
Mike,
3/32" 7x7.
If by "CNC" you mean "band saw," Yeah, that's what I did.out of one big
piece of 4130!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Conkling
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables and turnbuckles!
Hello Folks!
The bits and pieces are slowly looking like aeroplane parts at our house, so
I was wondering what "flavor" of 3/32" cable has been used for the tail
bracing ( 1x19 , 7x7, or ???) -- and on the steel fittings, has anyone used
the 5/8 x .080 4130N strip from AS&S? (or did everyone get thier's CNC
cut!!??) -- I do have some of the 1" x .090 strip for the misc. strap
fittings.
Cheers!
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | More cables and turnbuckles |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I plan
to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The 1x19 is
listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible. Suggestions?
--------
Mark - working on wings
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=264858#264858
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robert Ray <rray032003(at)gmail.com> |
Sunday I may go to Lee Bottom, If I do I'll be driving, it's about 60 miles
for me.
I don't know if Micheal Cuy is going or not I asked him to bring a CD if he
does.
Russell
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> Richard,
>
>
> These are go-kart brakes. www.gokartsupply.com
>
>
> =85I=92m using non-stretch bungees=85.
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (15 ribs down=85)
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard
> Schreiber
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:13 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Band Brakes
>
>
> I"m getting ready to make my hubs for my spoked wheels so I thought I
> better decide on my braking system first. Right now I am leaning towards
> using band brakes ala, Simon McCormick, Larry Wiiliams and Dennis Hall. A
ll
> three seem to have used the same brake design, at least the drums look ve
ry
> similar. Does anyone know whose band brakes these are? Are they from
> Northern Tool?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airplane pick-up |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Larry...
That's not what I think it is, is it...?!
Don Emch
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| From: | "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> |
Russell,
This doesn't really have anything to do with band brakes, but Lee Bottom
sounds like a wash-out.
Why don't you just pop the $25 in the mail for Mike's DVD, like everyone
else.
By the way, it's worth every penny.
I had the VHS tape, and wore that out, then got the DVD.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Ray
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Band Brakes
Sunday I may go to Lee Bottom, If I do I'll be driving, it's about 60
miles for me.
I don't know if Micheal Cuy is going or not I asked him to bring a CD if
he does.
Russell
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| From: | <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Straight Axle Wood Gear |
Rick
It's a great feeling and a big boost to finally get you fuselage on its
gear. Just try not to sit in it to much and pretend.
One of the reasons I built the gear with the fuselage upside down was to
get it up out of the way of the wife and kids. With it up high they
could still park the car in the garage and move about without bumping
the plane. I on the other hand being taller whacked my head into the
axel several times. Ouch!
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:19 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
Gary,
My biggest problem was ceiling height. I am building in a walkout
basement. I actually had to remove some of the ceiling tiles to work on
the gear,
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: 9/24/2009 7:12:14 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
Richard,
Your work looks very precise! The best thing about Chris' method is
that you get another workbench for a few weeks.;-)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(15 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:44 PM
To: pietenpol-list; Al and Rusty Boushea
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Wood Gear
While I'm on the subject of building the straight axle gear, I want
to say this has been one of the more satisfying things I have done on
the Piet. It certainly has been complex, but not the monster I thought
it was going to be. This in thanks in large part to what Chris Tracey
has posted on his website. Thank you again Chris! You have undoubtedly
saved me many hours of grief and expense in wasted material. From the
begriming I had always planned on doing the wood, straight axle gear.
For six years now I have dreaded/feared having to do it! I was always
envious of those who had completed theirs, hoping for the day where I
would have mine done. Now I am there and I can honestly say I see the
light at the end of the tunnel for finishing my Piet. For those that are
just starting, or are part way along, have faith!!! You can do this. Its
not that hard.
For those of us that enjoy building, the biggest problem is what to
do when we are done? How many airplanes can I afford to own, hanger and
fly?
P.S. I have attached a couple of photos of the gear as it stands
now, just before the spreader bars were added..
Rick Schreiber
lmforge(at)earthlink.net
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | More cables and turnbuckles |
I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopress
fittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get it
into the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing
(straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles
Quick question... should I use 1x19 or 7x19 for drag/anti-drag cables? I
plan to use thimbles and turnbuckles rather than swage type fittings. The
1x19 is listed as being quite a bit stronger, but not as flexible.
Suggestions?
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| From: | Ameet Savant <ameetsavant(at)yahoo.com> |
Last two posts I made to the list, didn't make it back to me. Could some one reply
back to this email and let me know if you got it on the Pietenpol list?
Thanks
Ameet
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
No
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ameet Savant
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test
Last two posts I made to the list, didn't make it back to me. Could some one
reply back to this email and let me know if you got it on the Pietenpol
list?
Thanks
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