Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-it
January 22, 2010 - January 30, 2010
Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-it
January 22, 2010 - January 30, 2010
Gardiner,
It won't hurt to try,
Did you install the baffle plates between the cilinders?
I would expect a freshly overhauled engine to run high temps for the first
few hours.
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thu, Jan 21, 2010 6:06 pm
Subject: engine cooling -resending -ignore earlier email
Hey guys, I am ready to fly but my CHT says not to. On my taxi test at idl
e it
eads 300, but when I try increased RPM it goes up to 400 0r above. I have
a
orvair with a warp drive prop. My cowling is square with two 5 inch inlet
holes
ith the proper exit amount. The warp drive hub takes the prop and pitch ou
t
eyond the inlet cooling holes thereby not giving me enough cooling air on
the
round. Barry Davis told me that he heard of one builder with the same prob
lem
nd his fix was to make two tabs perpendicular to the blades to force air
to the
ylinders on the ground. They would be balanced of course but my thought wo
uld
e to make a small prop shape to bolt on to the hub. It would be pitched to
the
rop thereby forcing air through the cowling. I hope I am making sense out
of
ll this, so any thoughts from the group on this?`cheers, Gardiner Mason
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Date: Jan 22, 2010
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Markl Fund
I sent my commitment to the website, but to help keep the momentum going I'm in
for $100.00.
WAY TO GO GUYS!!!!!!!!!
Douwe
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Subject: Re: Selling my Pietenpol Project
From: "TOPGUN" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net>
Date: Jan 22, 2010
I'm in for 60 bucks.
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From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 22, 2010
Subject: Markle Mania Continues Day 2 and still marching to the
goal line
Good job Dowe,
Great idea, anyone who wants to buy in can always hit the board and let
everyone know their commitment there is nothing like it to keep the interest
level up and the awareness strong. Just make sure you let Ryan know
officially because he's not going to add to the tally unless it comes through
the
site he's set up for the commitment.
On behalf of Jimmy and Markle Mania, Ryan and Jess
Thanks all, we are getting closer, so lets keep moving!
John
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: FW: 1926 Snow Tractor - rare original video of an invention
by Henry Ford
Date: Jan 22, 2010
Not really Piet related.but Mr. Pietenpol was probably building a Piet at
this time, and it is sorta' related to you Ford powered guys..and I
definitely thought of all you good people in the cold, far North.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
1926 Snow Tractor
You're not gonna believe this..............
Talk about ingenuity!
This is a 1926 silent film (on video) of
a tractor-snow-machine
invented by Henry Ford, who is shown driving it.
Watch the whole thing. Note the "hat." And tie!
<http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,213971.0/topicseen..html>
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,213971.0/topicseen..html
Our modern snowmobiles are far better
but Henry's machine is pretty clever for the time.
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Subject: Re: 1926 Snow Tractor - rare original video of an invention
by
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jan 22, 2010
Isn't that cool? I wonder what kind of mileage they got before having to change
drums? Ha ha!
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Mark - working on wings
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 22, 2010
Subject: Re: Markle Mania Continues Day 2 and still marching to
the goal line
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
It's been a very productive morning thus far; we are getting ever closer to
the goal of $6,000! Thank you all for stepping up and making contributions
to this effort.
I agree with Douwe & John, if anyone wants to share their contribution on
the list please feel free to do so. Jess and I will be keeping the names and
the amounts linked to them confidential, so it is your call as to whether
you want to share that or not.
In addition, as John mentions, please make sure to send an email to
marklepietenpolfund(at)gmail.com so we can add your contribution to the
official count! Thank you, and keep the support coming; we are almost
there!!
Have a good day,
Ryan
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:26 AM, wrote:
> Good job Dowe,
>
> Great idea, anyone who wants to buy in can always hit the board and let
> everyone know their commitment there is nothing like it to keep the interest
> level up and the awareness strong. Just make sure you let Ryan know
> officially because he's not going to add to the tally unless it comes
> through the site he's set up for the commitment.
>
> On behalf of Jimmy and Markle Mania, Ryan and Jess
>
> Thanks all, we are getting closer, so lets keep moving!
>
> John
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 22, 2010
Subject: Re: Markle Mania Continues Day 2 and still marching
to the
WOW $1220.00 to go. that's fantastic, man you folks really know how to show
support. Let the love flow! That's just too great to even comprehend I am
speechless! Okay I exaggerated, not really speechless I doubt that will
ever happen but holy cow we are less than 48 hours old and I am seeing Our
Piet parked in Markle's shop and over a beer I can see his eye welling up his
chest out as he and little Ben fire up the model A a sight to behold and a
vision to cherish.
We could be finished with this tomorrow by this time at our current rate of
sales well in time to meet the drop dead date and slap that smile back on
Markle's face.
I love you guys!
John
Living the dream one day at a time
In a message dated 1/22/2010 10:44:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rmueller23(at)gmail.com writes:
It's been a very productive morning thus far; we are getting ever closer
to the goal of $6,000! Thank you all for stepping up and making contributions
to this effort.
I agree with Douwe & John, if anyone wants to share their contribution on
the list please feel free to do so. Jess and I will be keeping the names
and the amounts linked to them confidential, so it is your call as to whether
you want to share that or not.
In addition, as John mentions, please make sure to send an email to
_marklepietenpolfund(at)gmail.com_ (mailto:marklepietenpolfund(at)gmail.com) so we can
add your contribution to the official count! Thank you, and keep the
support coming; we are almost there!!
Have a good day,
Ryan
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:26 AM, <_amsafetyc(at)aol.com_
(mailto:amsafetyc(at)aol.com) > wrote:
Good job Dowe,
Great idea, anyone who wants to buy in can always hit the board and let
everyone know their commitment there is nothing like it to keep the interest
level up and the awareness strong. Just make sure you let Ryan know
officially because he's not going to add to the tally unless it comes through
the
site he's set up for the commitment.
On behalf of Jimmy and Markle Mania, Ryan and Jess
Thanks all, we are getting closer, so lets keep moving!
John
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Subject: Re: Markle Mania Continues Day 2 and still marching to
the
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jan 22, 2010
Amsafetyc wrote:
> I love you guys!
>
> John
Time for another one of these...
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Mark - working on wings
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Subject: Re: Markl Fund
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net>
Date: Jan 22, 2010
I'm sorry if this is a double post but my computer is on life support and it's
in and out of consciousness. It says it sent it but it didn't show up.
I can't believe the generosity of the people on this list. I gave this
whole thing about as much chance as Gary Boothe finishing his wing ribs.
Well, I guess I was wrong about your generosity. So last night I decided to
dig deep into the building fund and buy several shares. It will only set me
back a month or two which is nothing to the 10 year build schedule I'm on.
Hopefully, I can become the controlling share holder and force Jim to paint
it pink and purple.
You guys and gals are great people!
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
--------
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282920#282920
________________________________________________________________________________
From: <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: I'm in too
Date: Jan 22, 2010
I can't believe the generosity of the people on this list. I gave this
whole thing about as much chance as Gary Boothe finishing his wing ribs.
Well, I guess I was wrong about your generosity. So last night I decided to
dig deep into the building fund and buy several shares. It will only set me
back a month or two which is nothing to the 10 year build schedule I'm on.
Hopefully, I can become the controlling share holder and force Jim to paint
it pink and purple.
You guys and gals are great people!
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 22, 2010
Subject: Re: Markl Fund
Chris, that's good, cant say great or anything remotely sounding girly, Tom
must get all funny inside over that and don't want him to well maybe we do
want him to puke. Anyway sounds like good stuff to me.
I know jimmy is gonna drop a duce when he finds out just how close we are.
Thanks man, time to get my machismo on
John
In a message dated 1/22/2010 1:48:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Catdesigns(at)att.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesigns"
I'm sorry if this is a double post but my computer is on life support and
it's in and out of consciousness. It says it sent it but it didn't show up.
I can't believe the generosity of the people on this list. I gave this
whole thing about as much chance as Gary Boothe finishing his wing ribs.
Well, I guess I was wrong about your generosity. So last night I decided
to
dig deep into the building fund and buy several shares. It will only set
me
back a month or two which is nothing to the 10 year build schedule I'm on.
Hopefully, I can become the controlling share holder and force Jim to
paint
it pink and purple.
You guys and gals are great people!
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
--------
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282920#282920
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Steve Glass <redsglass(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Markle Mania Continues Day 2 and still marching
to the goal line
Date: Jan 22, 2010
Put me down for $ 60
Steve in Maine
Date: Fri=2C 22 Jan 2010 09:32:24 -0600
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle Mania Continues Day 2 and still marchin
g to the goal line
From: rmueller23(at)gmail.com
It's been a very productive morning thus far=3B we are getting ever closer
to the goal of $6=2C000! Thank you all for stepping up and making contribut
ions to this effort.
I agree with Douwe & John=2C if anyone wants to share their contribution on
the list please feel free to do so. Jess and I will be keeping the names a
nd the amounts linked to them confidential=2C so it is your call as to whet
her you want to share that or not.
In addition=2C as John mentions=2C please make sure to send an email to mar
klepietenpolfund(at)gmail.com so we can add your contribution to the official
count! Thank you=2C and keep the support coming=3B we are almost there!!
Have a good day=2C
Ryan
On Fri=2C Jan 22=2C 2010 at 8:26 AM=2C wrote:
Good job Dowe=2C
Great idea=2C anyone who wants to buy in can always hit the board and let e
veryone know their commitment there is nothing like it to keep the interest
level up and the awareness strong. Just make sure you let Ryan know offici
ally because he's not going to add to the tally unless it comes through the
site he's set up for the commitment.
On behalf of Jimmy and Markle Mania=2C Ryan and Jess
Thanks all=2C we are getting closer=2C so lets keep moving!
John
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Date: Jan 22, 2010
Subject: Re: Markle Mania Continues Day 2 and still marching to
the goal line
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Steve,
Do me a favor if you would....please send your contribution amount to
marklepietenpolfund(at)gmail.com. I am tracking and will be handling the
donations for this effort, and it really helps me keep track of everything
if it all runs through there. Thank you!
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Steve Glass wrote:
> Put me down for $ 60
> Steve in Maine
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:32:24 -0600
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle Mania Continues Day 2 and still
> marching to the goal line
> From: rmueller23(at)gmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> It's been a very productive morning thus far; we are getting ever closer to
> the goal of $6,000! Thank you all for stepping up and making contributions
> to this effort.
>
> I agree with Douwe & John, if anyone wants to share their contribution on
> the list please feel free to do so. Jess and I will be keeping the names and
> the amounts linked to them confidential, so it is your call as to whether
> you want to share that or not.
>
> In addition, as John mentions, please make sure to send an email to
> marklepietenpolfund(at)gmail.com so we can add your contribution to the
> official count! Thank you, and keep the support coming; we are almost
> there!!
>
> Have a good day,
>
> Ryan
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:26 AM, wrote:
>
> Good job Dowe,
>
> Great idea, anyone who wants to buy in can always hit the board and let
> everyone know their commitment there is nothing like it to keep the interest
> level up and the awareness strong. Just make sure you let Ryan know
> officially because he's not going to add to the tally unless it comes
> through the site he's set up for the commitment.
>
> On behalf of Jimmy and Markle Mania, Ryan and Jess
>
> Thanks all, we are getting closer, so lets keep moving!
>
> John
>
> *
>
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From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 22, 2010
Subject: I have to really wonder where else?
Where else, what other place, board or forum other than church, red cross
or other benevolent organizations has anyone seen such a demonstration of
commitment? I suspect that if you searched the Red board, the Blue board and
the Purple Board along with every other matronics forum board, you would
never find anyone getting close to suggesting such an idea where the members
dig into their pockets to help another member. I know flying is expensive
as a hobby , an occupation and a mode of transportation, I know that because
of the expenses associated with it pilots are inherently cheap. The s
erious truth if you want to fly you got to have cash so everything goes on the
back burner to afford to fly its the addiction like being any other wonder
where and how to get the next fix. So being a cheap pilot is an important to
continuing to be any kind of pilot. Right here we have a collection of
cheap donkey pilots saving change, soda pop bottles, washing machine wringer
and sofa coins to buy glue, cable, wood, gasoline motor oil saw blades and
most importantly a healthy supply of band aids.
Knowing those things how does one pry those highly sought after and
prized nickels pennies and dimes out of the hands of a Piet builder who's
heading to the candy story with his coins to buy the sweets of the next assembly?
I have no idea but as you see its been happening hour by hour for the past
2 days. I am confident Markle is going to keep the Piet. We got 900.00 to
go its amazing but it does touch each of us ion our own unique way to
wonder how and why but more to celebrate what we have accomplished.
As individuals we can and are building and will or have been successful in
our builds one person, one Piet. One person can accomplish good things but
many good persons can accomplish greatness with less effort than it takes
to build a Piet.
I would ask if anyone has see such a thing I would like to know about it,
not for any other purpose than to become a part of that organization also.
I salute you all
John
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: this group is really incredible
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jan 22, 2010
One of the big things that helped me to decide to build a Pietenpol was this List.
There's a genuine sense of friendship amongst the vast majority of the builders/fliers/dreamers/lurkers.
I was a "lurker" for a while, and almost six years
ago, I decided to take the plunge. I ordered my plans, and I made my first
"real" post to the List, asking some typical newbie questions. One of the first
replies came offlist, from some guy named Jim Markle, who was living in Plano,
TX at the time. He forwarded me a copy of his "Pietenpol Builder's Guide to
the Universe" (which he has since posted at Mykitplane.com), and offered to
send me some Pietenpol photos on a CD. I forwarded my address, and a few days
later there was a package waiting in my mailbox containing three CDs full of photos
and videos of Piets. Since that time, we've shared ideas, jokes (sometimes
ones that only he and I thought were funny), and a lot of Piet photos, and
got to meet in person a few times at Brodhead. I even sat through his vacuum-bagging
demonstration (over and over and over...).
Jim's definitely one of the good guys, and he deserves to keep his Piet project
(even if it has to get mothballed for a while), so as soon as I heard about Marklepalooza,
I sent in my pledge. And now I see that my first impression about
this List couldn't have been more right. When you consider the fact that the
Piet is often promoted as a very inexpensive aircraft to build, it only seems
logical that the average builder that would be drawn to the plane would probably
be described as "thrifty", and maybe someone who doesn't have a lot of "disposable
income". So it makes an even bigger statement about the character of
this group that, in only two days the goal has already almost been met.
So, lets push it over the top, and hit that target.
Bill C.
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Subject: Re: this group is really incredible
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jan 22, 2010
Jim did the same for me when I started my project last spring.
An ambassador indeed, and definitely a good guy.
Bill Church wrote:
> almost six years ago, I decided to take the plunge. I ordered my plans, and
I made my first "real" post to the List, asking some typical newbie questions.
One of the first replies came offlist, from some guy named Jim Markle, who was
living in Plano, TX at the time. He forwarded me a copy of his "Pietenpol Builder's
Guide to the Universe" (which he has since posted at Mykitplane.com),
and offered to send me some Pietenpol photos on a CD.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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Subject: Re: engine cooling -resending -ignore earlier email
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jan 22, 2010
Hi Gardiner - When we talked on the phone you mentioned that the CHTs went up after
you'd been running the plane on the ground for 20 - 30 minutes. The connection
was bad so I may have misunderstood. Does the rise to 400 happen as soon
as you advance the throttle or after several minutes of ground run? 400 is
high, but I would be less surprised to see the CHTs that high after an extended
ground run. Also, does it stabilize at 400 or does it continue to rise? I
vaguely recall William Wynne suggesting a CHT redline of 450?
The advice the other guys gave sounds like a reasonable series of tests/fixes/checks.
I'd work through their suggestions before adding anything extra to the
prop or hub to push extra air. I have basic eyebrow cowls and they work fine.
Respectfully,
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
512-422-6371
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Subject: Re: Lexan Windshield Cracks
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jan 22, 2010
Thanks to all. Very helpful.
Hans - since I stole your design I'm positive it's Lexan:). I asked for it by
name.
Kevin
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Date: Jan 22, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: engine cooling -resending -ignore earlier email
kevin, the cht starts rising after several minutes of ground run. when it got up
to about 420 I pulled it back because I am a chicken. red line is 450. I am
now in the process of checking timing, gaps and air flow. thanks for the reply.
Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 6:30:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine cooling -resending -ignore earlier email
Hi Gardiner - When we talked on the phone you mentioned that the CHTs went up after
you'd been running the plane on the ground for 20 - 30 minutes. The connection
was bad so I may have misunderstood. Does the rise to 400 happen as soon
as you advance the throttle or after several minutes of ground run? 400 is
high, but I would be less surprised to see the CHTs that high after an extended
ground run. Also, does it stabilize at 400 or does it continue to rise? I
vaguely recall William Wynne suggesting a CHT redline of 450?
The advice the other guys gave sounds like a reasonable series of tests/fixes/checks.
I'd work through their suggestions before adding anything extra to the
prop or hub to push extra air. I have basic eyebrow cowls and they work fine.
Respectfully,
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
512-422-6371
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Diggin' a little deeper...
Date: Jan 22, 2010
Gang,
I was in for 100, but decided that I could go without Starbucks for a couple
weeks, and pony up another $20. Can I afford it? I don't know, but I do know
that I would be very sad to lose this endeavor at the last mile! Besides,
I'm hoping to get controlling stock shares....with that I should be able to
dictate the dress code of the pilot, too, right?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 22, 2010
Subject: Markle Mania update
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Hi everyone,
I am travelling home from work, so the total won't be updated for about an
hour. Please keep the contributions coming, I will add them in when I get
home. Thanks!
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 22, 2010
Subject: Re: Markle Mania update
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Updated now: http://users.rcn.com/ryan.mueller/markle.htm
$5605!!! Only $395 to go....amazing!
Ryan
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am travelling home from work, so the total won't be updated for about an
> hour. Please keep the contributions coming, I will add them in when I get
> home. Thanks!
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Date: Jan 22, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Markle Mania update
How much time is left on the ticker?
________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 8:27:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle Mania update
Updated now: http://users.rcn.com/ryan.mueller/markle.htm
$5605!!! Only $395 to go....amazing!
Ryan
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
Hi everyone,
>I am travelling home from work, so the total won't be updated for about an hour.
Please keep the contributions coming, I will add them in when I get home. Thanks!
>
>
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Date: Jan 22, 2010
Subject: Re: Markle Mania update
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Well, technically we have until next Wednesday, but wouldn't it be pretty
darn cool to reach the goal tonight? We're almost there! Only $395 and we
are done...
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:34 PM, H RULE wrote:
> How much time is left on the ticker?
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Ryan Mueller
> *To:* Pietenpol List
> *Sent:* Fri, January 22, 2010 8:27:50 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle Mania update
>
> Updated now: http://users.rcn.com/ryan.mueller/markle.htm
>
> $5605!!! Only $395 to go....amazing!
>
> Ryan
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I am travelling home from work, so the total won't be updated for about an
>> hour. Please keep the contributions coming, I will add them in when I get
>> home. Thanks!
>>
>> *
>>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Date: Jan 22, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Markle Mania update
We can do this tonight guys;reach down deep.Let Jim go to bed tonight knowing that
it's a done deal!!!
________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 8:38:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle Mania update
Well, technically we have until next Wednesday, but wouldn't it be pretty darn
cool to reach the goal tonight? We're almost there! Only $395 and we are done...
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:34 PM, H RULE wrote:
How much time is left on the ticker?
>
>
________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
>To: Pietenpol List
>Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 8:27:50 PM
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle Mania update
>
>
>Updated now: http://users.rcn.com/ryan.mueller/markle.htm
>
>$5605!!! Only $395 to go....amazing!
>
>Ryan
>
>
>On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
>
>Hi everyone,
>>I am travelling home from work, so the total won't be updated for about an hour.
Please keep the contributions coming, I will add them in when I get home.
Thanks!
>>
>>
>>" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>tp://forums.matronics.com
>>_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>
>
>
>" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>tp://forums.matronics.com
>_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: another cause, off topic
Date: Jan 22, 2010
RE: Pietenpol-List: another cause, off topicThe girls I know prefer
whipping cream.
Clif
I used wall paper paste once. Turned OK, but not as good as Miracle
Whip.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: another cause, off topic
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Jan 23, 2010
Just 23 minutes and you have done it all in 48 hours.
I am impressed beyond belief
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:01:34
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: another cause, off topic
RE: Pietenpol-List: another cause, off topicThe girls I kno
w prefer whipping cream.
Clif
I used wall paper paste once. Turned OK, but not as g
ood as Miracle Whip.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 22, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund) progress
**UPDATE**
We just need $75 more and it's a done deal people!!!!!!
>>
>>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: another cause, off topic
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Jan 23, 2010
9 minutes and 75 dollars to go to get it done then
Ryan can shut it down and he and Jess can take a we
ll deserved break
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:08:42
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: another cause, off topic
Just 23 minutes and you have done it all in 48 hours.
I am impressed beyond belief
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:01:34
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: another cause, off topic
RE: Pietenpol-List: another cause, off topicThe girls I kno
w prefer whipping cream.
Clif
I used wall paper paste once. Turned OK, but not as g
ood as Miracle Whip.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 22, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund) progress
**UPDATE**
I just signed my check for $120 US;do we send them directly to Jim or do we
make them out to someone else and send them to another address?I suspect b
y tonight or early morning this thing is going to be a done deal.We are so
close now.=0AThanks.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>-=0A>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>
>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>>----
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________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund) progress
**UPDATE**
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Jan 23, 2010
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________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Markle Mania update
From: "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: Jan 22, 2010
Looks like we have pretty much done it well done to all it is great to see.
I am heading out to the shed to build now as I am so inspired by all on this list.
Well done people
Now hurry up and get it covered and fly it Jim
Carson
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283033#283033
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Date: Jan 23, 2010
Subject: YOU DID IT!!!!!!
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
http://users.rcn.com/ryan.mueller/markle.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: YOU DID IT!!!!!!
From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net>
Date: Jan 22, 2010
I find it simply incredible that a bunch of random people scattered widely around
the world, connected simply by an online airplane forum for a 1929 designed
homemade airplane, would rise to a challenge like this for a friend, set the
goal of raising $6000 in a week so that he can keep his airplane and his dream
of completing it and flying it, and only taking 2 days to do it. Such a tremendous
outpouring of kindness and generosity on Jim's behalf! The quality of
people on this list is second to none, and I'm honored to be a part of it, even
if I'm only a lurker who only posts maybe ten times a year. Amazing!
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL/ Baker, LA
tail feathers almost done
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283046#283046
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Date: Jan 23, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: YOU DID IT!!!!!!
WOW!!!!!Now I have to make arrangements to get to the board meeting at Broa
d head this summer so-I can meet some or all of these share holders.You p
eople are just awsome!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFro
m: Ryan Mueller =0ATo: Pietenpol List @matronics.com>=0ASent: Sat, January 23, 2010 1:13:20 AM=0ASubject: Pietenp
ol-List: YOU DID IT!!!!!!=0A=0Ahttp://users.rcn.com/ryan.mueller/markle.htm
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Subject: Re: YOU DID IT!!!!!!
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jan 23, 2010
"A genuine act of decency in the middle of a huge indecency." - Hawkeye Pierce
Way to go friends!
--------
Mark - working on wings
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Subject: Re: YOU DID IT!!!!!!
Date: Jan 23, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Fellow Stockholders,
I look forward to attending our annual meeting this coming July. Since thi
s corporation will have surely made no profit by then, we will have to bri
ng our own refereshments. Where will the meeting be, over in the trees acr
oss the runway?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:13 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: YOU DID IT!!!!!!
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Date: Jan 23, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: YOU DID IT!!!!!!
We've already made our profit. To paraphrase "It's a Wonderful Life":
"A toast to our big brother Jim: The richest man in town."
>Fellow Stockholders,
>
>I look forward to attending our annual meeting this coming July.
>Since this corporation will have surely made no profit by then, we
>will have to bring our own refereshments. Where will the meeting be,
>over in the trees across the runway?
>
>Dan Helsper
>Poplar Grove, IL.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: YOU DID IT!!!!!!
From: "Ozarkflyer" <lragan(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 23, 2010
I am convinced, now more than ever, that you guys are as good a group a people
as I have ever known.
I was one of the first people (I think) to commit to purchasing Jim's Piet, but
after thinking about it overnite I concluded that there is no way that I could
take something from someone who obviously had put his heart and soul into something
he deeply cared about. I emailed Jim and withdrew my offer and decided
to become one of the Markle Miracle. I feel I can say that this was not about
adding another aircraft to the group but rather showing someone what people
think of him. The night I spoke to Jim on the phone about buying the Piet I
could tell how he felt.
I've never been to Broadhead...never ridden in a Piet...I'm too old to start a
5-6 year project now, but I somehow have managed to feel a part of something special.
Larry Ragan
OzarkFlyer
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283062#283062
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 23, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Life is Good....REAL Good
OK, I've kept silent all week but no more...
I've got MUCH more to say to you all (and of course I will) but after reading Jeff's
note I can't keep quiet any longer....
Julia and I were just sitting here reading this note and at the same time (actually,
she made the connection last night, just didn't tell me) realized...that's
it!!! This is "It's a Wonderful Life"!!!!
Except that...this ain't no fairy tale some screenwriter came up with....these
are REAL PEOPLE.
A part of MY heart stays in MY workshop...
The following words don't EVEN come close:
Thank you all...
More later....
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Boatright
Sent: Jan 23, 2010 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: YOU DID IT!!!!!!
We've already made our profit. To paraphrase "It's a
Wonderful Life": "A toast to
our big brother Jim: The richest man in town."
Fellow
Stockholders,
I look
forward to attending our annual meeting this coming July. Since
this corporation will have surely made no profit by then, we will have
to bring our own refereshments. Where will the meeting be, over in the
trees across the runway?
Dan
Helsper
Poplar
Grove, IL.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: YOU DID IT!!!!!!
Date: Jan 23, 2010
OK Ryan,
Where do we send the checks?
Kip Gardner
On Jan 23, 2010, at 1:13 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> http://users.rcn.com/ryan.mueller/markle.htm
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 23, 2010
From: <r.r.hall(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: YOU DID IT!!!!!!
This brought up a good point. I have never ridden in a Piet either but would love
to. I subscribed to this list when I was looking at various plaens to build
and the Piet was high on the list. I ended up going with a different project
as It will be a little more practical for longer trips. I didn't unsubscribe though
because of the wealth of information and the good people I found here. I
still hope to build a Piet after I finish my current project but in the meantime
I will continue to bask in the comraderie of this list. It is a good place.
Rodney Hall
Portsmouth, VA
---- Ozarkflyer wrote:
>
> I am convinced, now more than ever, that you guys are as good a group a people
as I have ever known.
>
> I was one of the first people (I think) to commit to purchasing Jim's Piet, but
after thinking about it overnite I concluded that there is no way that I could
take something from someone who obviously had put his heart and soul into
something he deeply cared about. I emailed Jim and withdrew my offer and decided
to become one of the Markle Miracle. I feel I can say that this was not about
adding another aircraft to the group but rather showing someone what people
think of him. The night I spoke to Jim on the phone about buying the Piet I could
tell how he felt.
>
> I've never been to Broadhead...never ridden in a Piet...I'm too old to start
a 5-6 year project now, but I somehow have managed to feel a part of something
special.
>
> Larry Ragan
> OzarkFlyer
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 23, 2010
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Markle Mania 2010
OK gang, now that the 48 hrs. of gushing and back-slapping is over, let's g
et back to reality!
-
I have a couple of completely personal observations that may or may not be
accurate but I would like to express them anyway.
-
!. I am pretty confident that Jim Markle is completely embarassed by this e
ntire thing. He didn't start it and he surely didn't encourage it once it g
ot momentum. I recall that he even protested the initial suggestion. We mig
ht find him under a rock somewhere hiding out and wondering how all this ca
n be dealt with.
-
2. I also recall that in his original post he didn't exactly state that he
was strapped for cash and that was the reason for the sale of his project.
There might have been outside considerations that were driving him. If that
is the case, I would like to see some restraint with posts such as, "Here'
s my money, I expect to see you finished and at Brodhead this year", or som
e such.
-
Jim's a great guy and we have every reason to shake hands with each other,
now...back to the real world again.
-
By the way, I'm listing my Pietenpol on Barnstormer's this week for $20,000
....................Anybody??
-
Larry W.=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 23, 2010
Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
First off, thank you to everyone for contributing; absolutely amazing! We
thought we had a good shot at accomplishing this goal when we began, but
certainly not this fast. Thank you again!
Second, I am scrubbing my list of contributors to make sure I am not missing
anyone's email address, then later today I will send out a mass email with
an update on the how/when of sending in your contributions.
Finally, I do think Larry makes a good point with item #2. This effort was
undertaken to raise the amount of money Jim would get if he sold his Piet,
so that he wouldn't have to sell it. However his situation is not so
black-and-white that $6,000 fixes everything, and he will now quit his job
and work on the Piet 24/7 to finish it up. He will just keep plugging away
at like he has in the past, and like we all do with ours, and eventually it
will be finished. We will all get our big reward when it shows up at
Brodhead, but as Larry says don't expect that to be this year, or by any
particular date. I'm sure Jim wants to get it finished just as badly as we
want him to finish, and he certainly does not need any additional pressure.
What is it that's on the back of Mike Cuy's pocketwatch...."In His Time"?
Thanks Larry!
P.S.: $20k? Maybe check with the RV guys... :P
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Lawrence Williams wrote:
> OK gang, now that the 48 hrs. of gushing and back-slapping is over, let's
> get back to reality!
>
> I have a couple of completely personal observations that may or may not be
> accurate but I would like to express them anyway.
>
> !. I am pretty confident that Jim Markle is completely embarassed by this
> entire thing. He didn't start it and he surely didn't encourage it once it
> got momentum. I recall that he even protested the initial suggestion. We
> might find him under a rock somewhere hiding out and wondering how all this
> can be dealt with.
>
> 2. I also recall that in his original post he didn't exactly state that he
> was strapped for cash and that was the reason for the sale of his project.
> There might have been outside considerations that were driving him. If that
> is the case, I would like to see some restraint with posts such as, "Here's
> my money, I expect to see you finished and at Brodhead this year", or some
> such.
>
> Jim's a great guy and we have every reason to shake hands with each other,
> now...back to the real world again.
>
> By the way, I'm listing my Pietenpol on Barnstormer's this week for
> $20,000...................Anybody??
>
> Larry W.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 23, 2010
Subject: Re: engine cooling -resending -ignore earlier email
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Are you running with a stock oil cooler Gardiner? 12 plate?
rick
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:39 PM, airlion wrote:
>
> kevin, the cht starts rising after several minutes of ground run. when it
> got up to about 420 I pulled it back because I am a chicken. red line is
> 450. I am now in the process of checking timing, gaps and air flow. thanks
> for the reply. Gardiner
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 6:30:32 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine cooling -resending -ignore earlier
> email
>
> kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
>
> Hi Gardiner - When we talked on the phone you mentioned that the CHTs went
> up after you'd been running the plane on the ground for 20 - 30 minutes.
> The connection was bad so I may have misunderstood. Does the rise to 400
> happen as soon as you advance the throttle or after several minutes of
> ground run? 400 is high, but I would be less surprised to see the CHTs that
> high after an extended ground run. Also, does it stabilize at 400 or does
> it continue to rise? I vaguely recall William Wynne suggesting a CHT
> redline of 450?
>
> The advice the other guys gave sounds like a reasonable series of
> tests/fixes/checks. I'd work through their suggestions before adding
> anything extra to the prop or hub to push extra air. I have basic eyebrow
> cowls and they work fine.
>
> Respectfully,
> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
> 512-422-6371
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282982#282982
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 23, 2010
Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund) progress
**UPDATE**
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Would it be possible to pay this using PayPal? Would make it much easier
(and faster).
Rick
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:34 PM, John Recine wrote:
> Collection of funds will be put into an account in the name of markle and
> managed by Ryan and Jess who will provide all the details for processing
> funds
>
> Thank you all for your help,I am proud of your accomplishment in preservi
ng
> one mans dream
>
> John
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> ------------------------------
> *From: * H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
> *Date: *Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:25:31 -0800 (PST)
> *To: *
> *Subject: *Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol
> Fund) progress **UPDATE**
>
> I just signed my check for $120 US;do we send them directly to Jim or do
we
> make them out to someone else and send them to another address?I suspect
by
> tonight or early morning this thing is going to be a done deal.We are so
> close now.
> Thanks.
>
>
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>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Jan 23, 2010
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Date: Jan 23, 2010
Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund) progress
**UPDATE**
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Rick,
Yes, we will have the ability to receive contributions via Paypal...I will
send more info to those that have contributed later today. Thanks!
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Rick Holland wrote:
> Would it be possible to pay this using PayPal? Would make it much easier
> (and faster).
>
> Rick
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:34 PM, John Recine wrote:
>
>> Collection of funds will be put into an account in the name of markle and
>> managed by Ryan and Jess who will provide all the details for processing
>> funds
>>
>> Thank you all for your help,I am proud of your accomplishment in
>> preserving one mans dream
>>
>> John
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: * H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
>> *Date: *Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:25:31 -0800 (PST)
>> *To: *
>> *Subject: *Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol
>> Fund) progress **UPDATE**
>>
>> I just signed my check for $120 US;do we send them directly to Jim or do
>> we make them out to someone else and send them to another address?I suspect
>> by tonight or early morning this thing is going to be a done deal.We are so
>> close now.
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> *ht --> http://www.matronics.com/contributi============== Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jan 23, 2010
I mentioned some of the same sentiment to Ryan a couple of days ago. If Jim accepts,
he shouldn't be made to feel beholden to anyone. I know that none of us
want him to feel that way, but we can lay it on pretty thick sometimes (shareholders
certificates, t-shirts, ride passes, etc.)... all in good fun of course.
I'm not saying we shouldn't have some fun with the situation, but let's not
turn it into a sore subject.
The other day I tried to lift Jim's spirits by telling him, "Let me know if you
need any help crating up that old heap." I was just kidding Jim... its, uhhh,
its a real beauty! [Laughing]
Hey, it got a laugh out of him when he was feeling pretty low.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283100#283100
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Date: Jan 23, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010
Once my check is in the mail,Jim owes me nothing except to call me when he'
s coming my way so we can break bread again.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________
________________=0AFrom: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matr
onics.com=0ASent: Sat, January 23, 2010 12:35:49 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-Li
" =0A=0AI mentioned some of the same sentiment to Ryan a
couple of days ago.- If Jim accepts, he shouldn't be made to feel beholde
n to anyone.- I know that none of us want him to feel that way, but we ca
n lay it on pretty thick sometimes (shareholders certificates, t-shirts, ri
de passes, etc.)... all in good fun of course.- I'm not saying we shouldn
't have some fun with the situation, but let's not turn it into a sore subj
ect.- =0A=0AThe other day I tried to lift Jim's spirits by telling him, "
Let me know if you need any help crating up that old heap."- I was just k
idding Jim... its, uhhh,- its a real beauty!- [Laughing]=0A=0AHey, it g
ot a laugh out of him when he was feeling pretty low.=0A=0A--------=0AMark
- working on wings=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp:
//forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283100#283100=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
===============
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Date: Jan 23, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Life is Good....REAL Good
Hey Jim if your ever in Ottawa again we gotta break bread man.I look forwar
d to seeing you in the circuit someday as well.Keep maken the sawdust.=0A
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mi
ndspring.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, January 23, 2
010 9:56:20 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Life is Good....REAL Good=0A=0A--
=0A=0AOK, I've kept silent all week but no more...=0A=0AI've got MUCH more
to say to you all (and of course I will) but after reading Jeff's note I ca
n't keep quiet any longer....=0A=0AJulia and I were just sitting here readi
ng this note and at the same time (actually, she made the connection last n
ight, just didn't tell me) realized...that's it!!!- This is "It's a Wonde
rful Life"!!!!=0A=0AExcept that...this ain't no fairy tale some screenwrite
r came up with....these are REAL PEOPLE.=0A=0AA part of MY heart stays in M
Y workshop...=0A=0AThe following words don't EVEN come close:=0A=0AThank yo
u all...=0A=0AMore later....=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0A=0A
From: Jeff Boatright =0ASent: Jan 23, 2010 7:19 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@mat
ronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: YOU DID IT!!!!!!=0A=0AWe've alrea
dy made our profit. To paraphrase "It's a=0AWonderful Life": "A toast to=0A
our big brother Jim: The richest man in town."=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFellow
=0AStockholders,=0A=0AI look=0Aforward to attending our annual meeting this
coming July. Since=0Athis corporation will have surely made no profit by t
hen, we will have=0Ato bring our own refereshments. Where will the meeting
be, over in the=0Atrees across the runway?=0A=0ADan=0AHelsper=0APoplar=0AGr
- - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
====
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From: "Mike" <papa.bike.mike(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010
Date: Jan 23, 2010
I've been watching from the sidelines, amazed at the generosity and
togetherness of the guys on this list who have banded together for one of
their own. It appears to be the same people who support the Matronics list
server every year. Guys, I am humbled in your company.
Mike Hardaway
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 23, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: engine cooling -resending -ignore earlier email
Hi Rick, yes, I am using the 12 plate. How have you been? Gardiner
________________________________
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 12:12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine cooling -resending -ignore earlier email
Are you running with a stock oil cooler Gardiner? 12 plate?
rick
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:39 PM, airlion wrote:
>
>>kevin, the cht starts rising after several minutes of ground run. when it got
up to about 420 I pulled it back because I am a chicken. red line is 450. I am
now in the process of checking timing, gaps and air flow. thanks for the reply.
Gardiner
>
>
>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 6:30:32 PM
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine cooling -resending -ignore earlier email
>
>
>>Hi Gardiner - When we talked on the phone you mentioned that the CHTs went up
after you'd been running the plane on the ground for 20 - 30 minutes. The connection
was bad so I may have misunderstood. Does the rise to 400 happen as
soon as you advance the throttle or after several minutes of ground run? 400
is high, but I would be less surprised to see the CHTs that high after an extended
ground run. Also, does it stabilize at 400 or does it continue to rise?
I vaguely recall William Wynne suggesting a CHT redline of 450?
>
>>The advice the other guys gave sounds like a reasonable series of tests/fixes/checks.
I'd work through their suggestions before adding anything extra to the
prop or hub to push extra air. I have basic eyebrow cowls and they work fine.
>
>>Respectfully,
>>Kevin Purtee
>>NX899KP
>>512-422-6371
>
>
>>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282982#282982
>
>
>>==========
>>st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>==========
>http://forums.matronics.com
>>==========
>>le, List Admin.
>>="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>==========
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 23, 2010
Subject: Re: engine cooling -resending -ignore earlier email
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Hey Gardiner,
Doing well, got my Corvair running several months ago with Jim Markles help,
(he is doing the camera work on this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCLmhFpxQOw
Concerning your oil temp, I am also running a stock 12 plate oil cooler and
have seen a max temp of 300 F on static runs so far but that is with
eyebrows and without a cowling, (hopefully the cowling won't disturb the air
coming into the eyebrows). I have talked to WW about adding the Odyssey
remote cooler he recommends later if I have cooling problems and if you are
using his gold oil adapter it would not be that hard adding one, just add
WWs sandwich adapter, two Earls hoses and the Odyssey cooler.
Good luck
Rick - Proud member of the "Broadhead Corvair Crank Snappers (BCCS)"
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:01 PM, airlion wrote:
> Hi Rick, yes, I am using the 12 plate. How have you been? Gardiner
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Rick Holland
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sat, January 23, 2010 12:12:53 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine cooling -resending -ignore
> earlier email
>
> Are you running with a stock oil cooler Gardiner? 12 plate?
>
> rick
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:39 PM, airlion wrote:
>
>>
>> kevin, the cht starts rising after several minutes of ground run. when it
>> got up to about 420 I pulled it back because I am a chicken. red line is
>> 450. I am now in the process of checking timing, gaps and air flow. thanks
>> for the reply. Gardiner
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 6:30:32 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine cooling -resending -ignore earlier
>> email
>>
>> kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
>>
>> Hi Gardiner - When we talked on the phone you mentioned that the CHTs went
>> up after you'd been running the plane on the ground for 20 - 30 minutes.
>> The connection was bad so I may have misunderstood. Does the rise to 400
>> happen as soon as you advance the throttle or after several minutes of
>> ground run? 400 is high, but I would be less surprised to see the CHTs that
>> high after an extended ground run. Also, does it stabilize at 400 or does
>> it continue to rise? I vaguely recall William Wynne suggesting a CHT
>> redline of 450?
>>
>> The advice the other guys gave sounds like a reasonable series of
>> tests/fixes/checks. I'd work through their suggestions before adding
>> anything extra to the prop or hub to push extra air. I have basic eyebrow
>> cowls and they work fine.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> Kevin Purtee
>> NX899KP
>> 512-422-6371
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282982#282982
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ==========
>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> ==========
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>> ==========
>> le, List Admin.
>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
> *
>
> *
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund) progress
**U
From: "Keith" <kamiller(at)maplenet.net>
Date: Jan 23, 2010
Waiting for an email how to send the funds. Paypal would be easy.
Glad this worked out for Jim.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283130#283130
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 23, 2010
Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund)
progress **U
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Check your inbox Keith, I just sent it out. Thanks! :)
Ryan
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Keith wrote:
>
> Waiting for an email how to send the funds. Paypal would be easy.
>
> Glad this worked out for Jim.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283130#283130
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 23, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund)
progress **U
I have one gripe with paypal - $0.30 + 2.9% of each transaction will be
eaten by their system. Which means something like $200 will go into
their pockets and not Jim's. I recommend sending a check or money order
via mail.
If anyone has a problem making a check out to Ryan, just let me know
and, uh, I'll "take care of" the problem, if you catch my drift. I have
"people" who provide "protection."
Dan
On 01/23/2010 04:21 PM, Keith wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Keith"
>
> Waiting for an email how to send the funds. Paypal would be easy.
>
> Glad this worked out for Jim.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283130#283130
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund) progress
**U
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jan 23, 2010
Not everyone will be charged a fee with Pay Pal. If you are a registered user
with a confirmed checking or savings account there is no fee. I think they only
charge fees to credit or debit accounts.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283145#283145
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 23, 2010
Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund)
progress **U
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-fees-outside
Under the right hand side for "Personal Transfer": if you are using the
balance in your Paypal account to pay, or if you have your bank account
linked to your Paypal account (we have ours set like that, for example) then
there is no fee for sending money. Otherwise, if you are sending money from
a debit or credit card there is the fee that you are referring to....
Ryan
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
> I have one gripe with paypal - $0.30 + 2.9% of each transaction will be
> eaten by their system. Which means something like $200 will go into their
> pockets and not Jim's. I recommend sending a check or money order via mail.
>
> If anyone has a problem making a check out to Ryan, just let me know and,
> uh, I'll "take care of" the problem, if you catch my drift. I have "people"
> who provide "protection."
>
> Dan
>
>
> On 01/23/2010 04:21 PM, Keith wrote:
>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Keith"
>>
>> Waiting for an email how to send the funds. Paypal would be easy.
>>
>> Glad this worked out for Jim.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283130#283130
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 23, 2010
Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund)
progress **U
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
...forgot to add, it claims that the sender can choose to pick up the fee
($2.20 on a $100 payment, for example), ensuring the full amount gets sent
to the recipient. A stamp is cheaper, however. :P
Ryan
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-fees-outside
>
> Under the right hand side for "Personal Transfer": if you are using the
> balance in your Paypal account to pay, or if you have your bank account
> linked to your Paypal account (we have ours set like that, for example) then
> there is no fee for sending money. Otherwise, if you are sending money from
> a debit or credit card there is the fee that you are referring to....
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
>>
>> I have one gripe with paypal - $0.30 + 2.9% of each transaction will be
>> eaten by their system. Which means something like $200 will go into their
>> pockets and not Jim's. I recommend sending a check or money order via mail.
>>
>> If anyone has a problem making a check out to Ryan, just let me know and,
>> uh, I'll "take care of" the problem, if you catch my drift. I have "people"
>> who provide "protection."
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> On 01/23/2010 04:21 PM, Keith wrote:
>>
>>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Keith"
>>>
>>> Waiting for an email how to send the funds. Paypal would be easy.
>>>
>>> Glad this worked out for Jim.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283130#283130
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Dan Yocum
>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund)
progress **U
Date: Jan 23, 2010
Here's Dan's "People:"
mad-max-2-gentry-style.jpeg
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol
Fund) progress **U
I have one gripe with paypal - $0.30 + 2.9% of each transaction will be
eaten by their system. Which means something like $200 will go into
their pockets and not Jim's. I recommend sending a check or money order
via mail.
If anyone has a problem making a check out to Ryan, just let me know
and, uh, I'll "take care of" the problem, if you catch my drift. I have
"people" who provide "protection."
Dan
On 01/23/2010 04:21 PM, Keith wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Keith"
>
> Waiting for an email how to send the funds. Paypal would be easy.
>
> Glad this worked out for Jim.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283130#283130
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund)
progress **U
Date: Jan 23, 2010
Don't know, but I just paid by credit card on PayPal.and no apparent fee.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol
Fund) progress **U
https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-fees-outside
Under the right hand side for "Personal Transfer": if you are using the
balance in your Paypal account to pay, or if you have your bank account
linked to your Paypal account (we have ours set like that, for example) then
there is no fee for sending money. Otherwise, if you are sending money from
a debit or credit card there is the fee that you are referring to....
Ryan
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
I have one gripe with paypal - $0.30 + 2.9% of each transaction will be
eaten by their system. Which means something like $200 will go into their
pockets and not Jim's. I recommend sending a check or money order via mail.
If anyone has a problem making a check out to Ryan, just let me know and,
uh, I'll "take care of" the problem, if you catch my drift. I have "people"
who provide "protection."
Dan
On 01/23/2010 04:21 PM, Keith wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Keith"
Waiting for an email how to send the funds. Paypal would be easy.
Glad this worked out for Jim.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283130#283130
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Date: Jan 23, 2010
Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund)
progress **U
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
There was...$3.78...I'd tell everyone where exactly to look, but my persona
l
Paypal is linked with a bank account, so it never comes into play. I
dunno...
Ryan
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> Don=92t know, but I just paid by credit card on PayPal=85and no apparent
fee=85
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, CA
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> 16 ribs done
>
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Mueller
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:07 PM
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpo
l
> Fund) progress **U
>
>
> https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-fees-outside
>
>
> Under the right hand side for "Personal Transfer": if you are using the
> balance in your Paypal account to pay, or if you have your bank account
> linked to your Paypal account (we have ours set like that, for example) t
hen
> there is no fee for sending money. Otherwise, if you are sending money fr
om
> a debit or credit card there is the fee that you are referring to....
>
> Ryan
>
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
>
> I have one gripe with paypal - $0.30 + 2.9% of each transaction will be
> eaten by their system. Which means something like $200 will go into thei
r
> pockets and not Jim's. I recommend sending a check or money order via ma
il.
>
> If anyone has a problem making a check out to Ryan, just let me know and,
> uh, I'll "take care of" the problem, if you catch my drift. I have "peop
le"
> who provide "protection."
>
> Dan
>
>
> On 01/23/2010 04:21 PM, Keith wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Keith"
>
> Waiting for an email how to send the funds. Paypal would be easy.
>
> Glad this worked out for Jim.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283130#283130
>
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Date: Jan 23, 2010
Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund)
progress **U
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Here we go...I changed my payment method from bank account to credit/debit
card, and here is what it shows when I am at the payment confirmation
screen:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/paypalfee.jpg
If you leave the box checked, the sender picks up the fee. If you uncheck
the box the recipient pays the fee.
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> There was...$3.78...I'd tell everyone where exactly to look, but my
> personal Paypal is linked with a bank account, so it never comes into pla
y.
> I dunno...
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Gary Boothe wrote
:
>
>> Don=92t know, but I just paid by credit card on PayPal=85and no apparen
t
>> fee=85
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary Boothe
>>
>> Cool, CA
>>
>> Pietenpol
>>
>> WW Corvair Conversion
>>
>> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>>
>> 16 ribs done
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Mueller
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:07 PM
>>
>> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle
>> Pietenpol Fund) progress **U
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-fees-outside
>>
>>
>> Under the right hand side for "Personal Transfer": if you are using the
>> balance in your Paypal account to pay, or if you have your bank account
>> linked to your Paypal account (we have ours set like that, for example)
then
>> there is no fee for sending money. Otherwise, if you are sending money f
rom
>> a debit or credit card there is the fee that you are referring to....
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have one gripe with paypal - $0.30 + 2.9% of each transaction will be
>> eaten by their system. Which means something like $200 will go into the
ir
>> pockets and not Jim's. I recommend sending a check or money order via m
ail.
>>
>> If anyone has a problem making a check out to Ryan, just let me know and
,
>> uh, I'll "take care of" the problem, if you catch my drift. I have "peo
ple"
>> who provide "protection."
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 01/23/2010 04:21 PM, Keith wrote:
>>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Keith"
>>
>> Waiting for an email how to send the funds. Paypal would be easy.
>>
>> Glad this worked out for Jim.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283130#283130
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dan Yocum
>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>>
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Date: Jan 23, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund)
progress **U
I was thinking more along the lines of the attached - this is Chicago,
after all...
;-)
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 24, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010 (aka Markle Pietenpol Fund)
progress **U
Ryan,
I will be opting for delivery method #3: since I'm downtown for some
training Mon-Wed I'll be hand delivering the check to you over lunch one
of those days.
See you soon,
Dan
On 01/23/2010 05:43 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
> I have one gripe with paypal - $0.30 + 2.9% of each transaction will be
> eaten by their system. Which means something like $200 will go into
> their pockets and not Jim's. I recommend sending a check or money order
> via mail.
>
> If anyone has a problem making a check out to Ryan, just let me know
> and, uh, I'll "take care of" the problem, if you catch my drift. I have
> "people" who provide "protection."
>
> Dan
>
> On 01/23/2010 04:21 PM, Keith wrote:
>>
>> Waiting for an email how to send the funds. Paypal would be easy.
>>
>> Glad this worked out for Jim.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283130#283130
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
From: tgstone236(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 24, 2010
Subject: markel fund
I am not interested in sending by PayPal.
GIVE ME A NAME TO MAKE THE CHECK OUT TO AND AN ADDRESS AND THE CHECK WILL
BE IN
THE US MAIL
TED STONE
BUILDING A CORVAIR POWERED PIET
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 24, 2010
Subject: Re: markel fund
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Ted,
Check your inbox for an email from *"marklepietenpolfund(at)gmail.com"*, sent
Markle Mania 2010 (aka The Markle Pietenpol Fund)"*.
That is the email I sent to all contributors, and there are instructions for
sending checks in the section: "*Pay via mail (US Postal Service)"*. I
doublechecked, and it did get sent to you and never bounced back to me, so
you should have it in your inbox. If not, let me know and I will resend.
Thanks,
Ryan
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 9:04 AM, wrote:
> I am not interested in sending by PayPal.
>
> GIVE ME A NAME TO MAKE THE CHECK OUT TO AND AN ADDRESS AND THE CHECK WILL
> BE IN
>
> THE US MAIL
>
> TED STONE
>
> BUILDING A CORVAIR POWERED PIET
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: markel fund
From: "Ozarkflyer" <lragan(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 24, 2010
Ryan
I did not receive a message from you regarding the mechanism for sending in my
pledge. Perhaps the message I sent did not get to you. Please send a message
to lragan(at)hotmail.com, with instructions, and I will mail my check.
Thanks
Larry Ragan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283232#283232
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Control Assembly
Date: Jan 24, 2010
All,
I'm presently cutting and fitting the seats. Should I NOT proceed gluing
them in prior to putting in the control assembly? At this stage on the
fuselage things really get more complicated. Glad I'm sticking pretty close
to plans, Mr. Pietenpol sure had things figured out.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Jack
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 24, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Control Assembly
Come on Jack, anyone can build to the plans...where's the fun in THAT!?
-
Seriously though, if you have a-method you are happy with for putting in
the seat "frame", go ahead and install it. But leave off any plywood sheeti
ng, (seat bottom front) -and the seat bottom/back until you have the cont
rols figured out and fitted. I am also making/fitting my controls and have
the seat just framed in. There is no bottom yet and no plywood on the sides
of the fuselage as well.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Control Assembly
Date: Jan 24, 2010
Jack,
My advice is to NOT glue the seats in, yet. You still need to figure out
seat belt attachments, plus who-knows-what. While at Brodhead last year, I
saw some nifty storage ideas under that piece of plywood! In fact, I think
there are those who might advise just screwing the seat bottoms down for
annual inspections, etc.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly
All,
I'm presently cutting and fitting the seats. Should I NOT proceed gluing
them in prior to putting in the control assembly? At this stage on the
fuselage things really get more complicated. Glad I'm sticking pretty close
to plans, Mr. Pietenpol sure had things figured out.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Jack
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: markel fund
From: "bamabuilder" <willie99(at)otelco.net>
Date: Jan 24, 2010
I didn't receive an e-mail either. Check will be in the mail as soon as I get the
info. gdnrguy04(at)hotmail.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283277#283277
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Control Assembly
Date: Jan 24, 2010
Well, you CAN still put the controls in even with the seats installed.
As some others have suggested, you could leave the seat bottom plywood
off until they are situated. Like you, I tried to follow the plans so
locating the controls should not be a problem. Even though trying to
follow the plans faithfully, I did add some structure to the seat
bottoms because I think the plans were intentionally vague, rather than
they left anything out. Everyone adds different things, if you are
interested I could send photos of the changes I made. I tried to make
the fewest changes and add the most support.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack<mailto:jack(at)textors.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly
All,
I'm presently cutting and fitting the seats. Should I NOT proceed
gluing them in prior to putting in the control assembly? At this stage
on the fuselage things really get more complicated. Glad I'm sticking
pretty close to plans, Mr. Pietenpol sure had things figured out.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Jack
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
on>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Control Assembly
Date: Jan 24, 2010
Good thoughts, thanks to all. Every day I find out how important it is to
"read" ahead in the plans. There is a reason they are as drawn. Mr.
Pietenpol built so many ships he figured out "the right way" to do most
everything. A really fun stage with the fuselage, which I'm sure, will get
more challenging as I go forward.
Jack
DSM
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 2:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly
All,
I'm presently cutting and fitting the seats. Should I NOT proceed gluing
them in prior to putting in the control assembly? At this stage on the
fuselage things really get more complicated. Glad I'm sticking pretty close
to plans, Mr. Pietenpol sure had things figured out.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Jack
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 24, 2010
Subject: Re: Control Assembly
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Would highly recommend never gluing the front or back seat bottom plywood.
I
added flanges to the bottom rear of each (to hold the back of each seat
bottom down) and screws on the front (see attached).
Rick
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Jack wrote:
> All,
>
> I=92m presently cutting and fitting the seats. Should I NOT proceed glui
ng
> them in prior to putting in the control assembly? At this stage on the
> fuselage things really get more complicated. Glad I=92m sticking pretty
close
> to plans, Mr. Pietenpol sure had things figured out.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts!
>
> Jack
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael McGowan" <shadetree(at)socket.net>
Subject: Re: markel fund
Date: Jan 24, 2010
I did not get the email either. I even checked my spam box
Mike McGowan shadetree(at)socket.net Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: markel fund
Ted,
Check your inbox for an email from "marklepietenpolfund(at)gmail.com",
contributions to Markle Mania 2010 (aka The Markle Pietenpol Fund)".
That is the email I sent to all contributors, and there are
instructions for sending checks in the section: "Pay via mail (US Postal
Service)". I doublechecked, and it did get sent to you and never bounced
back to me, so you should have it in your inbox. If not, let me know and
I will resend. Thanks,
Ryan
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 9:04 AM, wrote:
I am not interested in sending by PayPal.
GIVE ME A NAME TO MAKE THE CHECK OUT TO AND AN ADDRESS AND THE CHECK
WILL BE IN
THE US MAIL
TED STONE
BUILDING A CORVAIR POWERED PIET
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
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________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Control Assembly
Date: Jan 24, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Hi Jack,
The seats are not a structural member, thus they never have to be glued.
I saw some examples of wicker seating at Brodhead one year, so I research
ed and taught myself how to weave wicker. I then made a perimeter frame of
1/2" thick ash seats. Then wove wicker seat bottoms. Very happy with the
results and I believe very unique. Photos attatched.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Control Assembly
Date: Jan 24, 2010
I would recommend permanently installing all
the seat framing members (sticks) as you build
the fuselage. They will help keep everything
square and rigid. For the plywood seats and
backs, I can only suggest what to do based on
my own experience rebuilding the seats and
framing on 41CC after the nose-over, when I
found various things in need of repair.
The front seat back needs to be permanently
fitted and glued in place during construction,
although once it's permanently fastened you
have to alternate between cockpits when you're
fitting controls, instruments, everything. It's
just that the front seat back is an important
structural element. The seat bottom actually
has two plywood parts of interest... the front
part of the bottom (trapezoidal shape with a
cutout for the control tubing) and the seat
part that the passenger sits on. The trapezoidal
piece needs to be permanently installed before
the controls are fitted into place unless you
plan to make it in two pieces and fit them around
the tubing, which I don't recommend because the
trapezoidal piece is also a fairly important
diaphragm that helps support the passenger's weight.
The seat bottom can be left off indefinitely or
you can do what I did and cut two holes in it
to allow access to the control tubing and rudder
bar underneath. See pix at the bottom,here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/seat.html
After the front seat was permanently installed, I
made a separate piece of plywood with the upholstery
on it. That piece is held in place with velcro and
can be removed for inspection of the rudder bar and
controls beneath by viewing through the holes in
the permanent part.
In the pilot's cockpit, once the seat back goes
in, access is very limited but 41CC has a
hinged cutout that pivots forward, allowing access
back there. Obviously, the hinged part can be
left off until final assembly and there will be
access to the area behind the seat until then.
The seat bottom on 41CC is actually two pieces of
plywood; one fixed, one removable. The piece that
is fixed has large openings cut in it between the
seat framing members so that there is hand access
down into the area under the seat. Like the front,
the piece that is removable is the piece that is
upholstered.
I think it is very important to be able to sit in
the fuselage as soon as the framing allows you to
put in at least a temporary seat. Sitting in the
fuselage allows you to fit all of the controls,
instruments, windscreens, seatbelts, and everything
else to suit you properly. Not only that, it gives
you the proper perspective out of the cockpit so
you can begin to visualize the attitude and config
uration of the airplane on the ground. It also
offers the greatest psychological boost of almost
any other phase of completion that early in the
project, and will motivate you beyond belief.
Put the seats in as soon as you can.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 24, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Control Assembly
Shades of the Spirit of St. Louis=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________________
_____=0AFrom: "helspersew(at)aol.com" <helspersew(at)aol.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-lis
t(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, January 24, 2010 7:16:11 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pie
tenpol-List: Control Assembly=0A=0AHi Jack,=0A=0AThe seats are not a struct
ural member, thus they never have to be glued. I saw some examples of wicke
r seating at Brodhead one year, so I researched and-taught myself how to
weave wicker. I then made a perimeter frame of 1/2" thick ash seats. Then w
ove wicker seat bottoms. Very happy with the results and I believe very uni
que. Photos attatched.=0A=0ADan Helsper=0APoplar Grove, IL.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Control Assembly
Date: Jan 24, 2010
I never glued my seats in. I have them attached with wood screws and have
had them out several times sunce I got it flying - at least 3 times for the
front seat (to service the brake cylinders) and once for the rear seat.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:26 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly
Jack,
My advice is to NOT glue the seats in, yet. You still need to figure out
seat belt attachments, plus who-knows-what. While at Brodhead last year, I
saw some nifty storage ideas under that piece of plywood! In fact, I think
there are those who might advise just screwing the seat bottoms down for
annual inspections, etc.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly
All,
I'm presently cutting and fitting the seats. Should I NOT proceed gluing
them in prior to putting in the control assembly? At this stage on the
fuselage things really get more complicated. Glad I'm sticking pretty close
to plans, Mr. Pietenpol sure had things figured out.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Jack
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Control Assembly
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jan 24, 2010
I can't wait to start framing up the fuse. Hopefully this summer.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283320#283320
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 24, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Thank you
To all my friends on this list....
This week has been amazing beyond words.
I have said for years that just getting to hang out with the Pietenpol community
is always a proud and humbling experience for me. And seeing how passionately
we care about projects staying where they are and then flying some day, well
that reaction didn't surprise me a bit. I can tell you the names of every builder
that has had to "pass on" a project since 2002 when I started mine. Most
of those were never finished. I always hate reading those announcements.
But how quickly THIS all went from "this project needs to stay where it is" to
"here's what we're gonna do to make sure it stays there" then barely two days
later "everyone has pitched in (PLUS EXTRA!) so now you need to put a "sold" sign
on it and leave it where it is"...well, that has been overwhelming. Unbelievable.
Really though this has been about something far grander than keeping a Pietenpol
project in someones workshop. This has really been about good people.
So I am once again proud and humbled by the people that "I want to be like when
I grow up".
I wish my dad was still around. I would have loved to have introduced him to all
of you....life beat him down a few times and he was a bit cynical about the
good in people. This would have changed his life.
It has changed mine.
Thank you.
Jim Markle
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Thank you
Secretly, we all knew you really didn't want to sell that plane.=0A=0Ado no
t archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jim Markle
=0ATo: Pietenpol List =0ASent: Sun, January 24, 2010 11:41:07 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List:
@mindspring.com>=0A=0ATo all my friends on this list....=0A=0AThis week has
been amazing beyond words.=0A=0AI have said for years that just getting to
hang out with the Pietenpol community is always a proud and humbling exper
ience for me.- And seeing how passionately we care about projects staying
where they are and then flying some day, well that reaction didn't surpris
e me a bit.- I can tell you the names of every builder that has had to "p
ass on" a project since 2002 when I started mine.- Most of those were nev
er finished.- I always hate reading those announcements.=0A=0ABut how qui
ckly THIS all went from "this project needs to stay where it is" to "here's
what we're gonna do to make sure it stays there" then barely two days late
r "everyone has pitched in (PLUS EXTRA!) so now you need to put a "sold" si
gn on it and leave it where it is"...well, that has been overwhelming.- U
nbelievable.=0A=0AReally though this has been about something far grander t
han keeping a Pietenpol project in someones workshop.- This has really be
en about good people.=0A=0ASo I am once again proud and humbled by the peop
le that "I want to be like when I grow up".=0A=0AI wish my dad was still ar
ound.- I would have loved to have introduced him to all of you....life be
at him down a few times and he was a bit cynical about the good in people.
- This would have changed his life.=0A=0AIt has changed mine.=0A=0AThank
=
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Markle tribute video
Date: Jan 25, 2010
I guess it was John Hofmann who posted this:
http://gallery.me.com/johnnyskyrocket#100017
I like to fell out of my chair laughing a
couple of times. Excellent work! You
guys are a riot, when you're not disconcerting
the masses...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Control Assembly
Since day one of receiving the plans, I have been looking forward to buildi
ng the fuselage. I am in the middle of that now and it is by far the most f
un I have had on the project. Everything attaches to it, so you must procee
ded very cautiously and fit and re fit everything as you go. You will be fo
rced to think about and make metal fittings as you decide how to fit in you
r controls and allow everything to move and give you full control surface t
ravel. (This then requires more metal work to make the control horns and cr
anks.) While your at it, fit up the tail so you can attach all the controls
and see, real time, how it all moves, what binds, what needs to be relocat
ed, etc. THEN you can go back and put in your seats! But, as myself and mos
t others have done, allow yourself a way to get into the areas you need und
er/behind the seats for servicing/repairs.
-
I think that making and welding all the steel that I have had to do so far
is ALMOST as fun as the fuselage. I fought it at first, but now I really en
joy the welding!
-
If interested, I can send some pics. on what I have done with the fuse.,sea
ts, fittings, etc. I like to ask as to not take up more server space with p
ictures no one wants to see.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Brodhead '10
Date: Jan 25, 2010
Anybody know the dates for Brodhead 2010?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Brodhead '10
Brodhead is just before EAA AirVenture in Oshkosh. That makes Brodhead these dates:
Thursday, July 22, 2010 to Sunday, July 25. Thursday might/might not be an "official
date" for it. The most active days, weather dependent, will likely be
Friday and Saturday. Many of the Piets leave for Oshkosh or home early Sunday.
Tim in central TX, hoping to be there in 2010, as in 2006 and 2008.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
>Sent: Jan 25, 2010 9:05 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '10
>
>
>Anybody know the dates for Brodhead 2010?
>
>Gary Boothe
>Cool, CA
>Pietenpol
>WW Corvair Conversion
>Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>16 ribs done
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Brodhead '10
Date: Jan 25, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Guys,
Hopefully I will be there with my completed Piet. I still have to fabricat
e cockpit combing and apply finish color paint/trim. Then fly-off the 40
hours. But I have a trick up my sleeve on that one maybe. Can I specify
a 40 mile circle from my home airport for the 40 hour fly-off? If so I co
uld fly it over to Brod even though I may be short of the 40 hours. Anybod
y know?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2010
Subject: Re: Brodhead '10
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Gary,
Per the BPA website: http://www.pietenpols.org/id5.html - July 22, 23, 24
That jives with the 431 Calendar of events: http://www.eaa431.org/. They
list the 25th (Sunday), but as you know the place turns into a ghost town
pretty quick on Sunday. :P
Ryan
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> Anybody know the dates for Brodhead 2010?
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 16 ribs done
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jan 25, 2010
Subject: firewall tip
In reading about removable seat backs/ bottoms it reminded me of one of the
best moves
I made (or didn't make) while building and that was to not glue my fuselage
1/8" plywood
bulkhead in until the very last step on the fuselage before COVERING.
I mean I did not
glue the firewall in until after the engine was completely rebuilt and inst
alled and run
on the airframe so that I could properly locate all of the controls like th
rottle, carb heat,
gascolator, fuel line, oil pressure and temperature runs, and the all impo
rtant smoke oil
supply. Installation of the front rudder pedals is a snap too without t
hat firewall in place.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2010
Subject: Re: Control Assembly
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
I agree, I ended up enjoying the metal work as much as the wood work. One
thing I did to to make sure that everything was setup correctly and
accessible was to leave one of the ply cockpit sides off until the fuselage
and control were nearly complete.
Rick
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> Since day one of receiving the plans, I have been looking forward to
> building the fuselage. I am in the middle of that now and it is by far the
> most fun I have had on the project. Everything attaches to it, so you must
> proceeded very cautiously and fit and re fit everything as you go. You will
> be forced to think about and make metal fittings as you decide how to fit in
> your controls and allow everything to move and give you full control surface
> travel. (This then requires more metal work to make the control horns and
> cranks.) While your at it, fit up the tail so you can attach all the
> controls and see, real time, how it all moves, what binds, what needs to be
> relocated, etc. THEN you can go back and put in your seats! But, as myself
> and most others have done, allow yourself a way to get into the areas you
> need under/behind the seats for servicing/repairs.
>
> I think that making and welding all the steel that I have had to do so far
> is ALMOST as fun as the fuselage. I fought it at first, but now I really
> enjoy the welding!
>
> If interested, I can send some pics. on what I have done with the fuse.,seats,
> fittings, etc. I like to ask as to not take up more server space with
> pictures no one wants to see.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Brodhead '10
On 01/25/2010 10:41 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Guys,
> Hopefully I will be there with my completed Piet. I still have to
> fabricate cockpit combing and apply finish color paint/trim. Then
> fly-off the 40 hours. But I have a trick up my sleeve on that one maybe.
> Can I specify a 40 mile circle from my home airport for the 40 hour
> fly-off? If so I could fly it over to Brod even though I may be short of
> the 40 hours. Anybody know?
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
I don't see why not... talk to the guys at the DuPage FSDO, of course...
I am really looking forward to seeing your Piet at Brodhead, this
year... I'm already mentally planning a mini squadron flight. Fly up to
Burlington to join up with Rob Bach and his guys, fly down to pick up
you and Kurt, then attack at noon from the south!
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Brodhead '10
Date: Jan 25, 2010
Dan you can ask for whatever you want, and the FAA will likely grant it, if
reasonable. I made my initial flights from Sanford, NC (TTA) but was
planning to base the plane at Cox Field in Apex, NC. They made my area big
enough to include both fields, as well as several other airports, including
Siler City (5W8), which is 32 nm away from Cox. If you don't ask, you'll
likely get a circle centered on Poplar Grove. They probably won't give you
a 40 mile radius (that would be 5,027 square miles, which is bigger than
some countries), but as long as your proposed area doesn't go over a densely
populated area, they might well give you a box 50 miles long and 5 miles
wide, which should be enough for you. Have your proposal marked out on a
sectional chart to show them what you want, and say you have friends at
Brodhead - not that you want to take it to a busy fly-in.
Note that I was dealing with the FAA FSDO, not a DAR. Note only are the
Feds more reasonable than some DARs, they are also free.
Good luck,
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '10
Guys,
Hopefully I will be there with my completed Piet. I still have to fabricate
cockpit combing and apply finish color paint/trim. Then fly-off the 40
hours. But I have a trick up my sleeve on that one maybe. Can I specify a 40
mile circle from my home airport for the 40 hour fly-off? If so I could fly
it over to Brod even though I may be short of the 40 hours. Anybody know?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2010
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Generic Airplane stuff
Listers:
Attached is a link to a long video (more like a movie) about the Gathering
of Eagles. I know, a Mustang is not a Pietenpol but this is still great
entertainment.
http://www.asb.tv/videos/view.php?v=1bf99434&br=500
Tom S.
N328X
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Re: Control Assembly
Date: Jan 25, 2010
Beautiful work Dan, thanks!
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Control Assembly
Hi Jack,
The seats are not a structural member, thus they never have to be glued. I
saw some examples of wicker seating at Brodhead one year, so I researched
and taught myself how to weave wicker. I then made a perimeter frame of 1/2"
thick ash seats. Then wove wicker seat bottoms. Very happy with the results
and I believe very unique. Photos attatched.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2010
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: off topic question
As some of you might know, I am a sculptor. I want to propose a piece to a city,
but I'm not sure how to build it, so I thought with the knowledge base, I should
put it out there.
I want to fabricate a vertical helix (spiral, like the DNA strand). It would rise
into the sky about twelve to fifteen feet. I want it to be very light and
very strong so I thought I could build it from aircraft tubing, cover it with
dacron and paint it with latex. So far, so good. However, I'm not sure how to
get the tubing bent into that shape.
I did one last year where I bent aluminum around a cylindrical from, and though
it worked, it was difficult to say the least and I'm not sure we could do with
steel, which I'm thinking will be 3/4 to 1".
I was wondering if I could have a forging company bend the tubing into circles
and then stretch or open them up?
I'm sure there is a program out there that would allow a bending machine to just
whip these out for me.
Any ideas are much appreciated!!
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Control Assembly
Date: Jan 25, 2010
Great additional comments on the order of completion of the fuselage,
thanks! One thing I wish I had not done was to add wedges to the top
longerons on either side of the front seat where the top of the V's would
meet the longeron. I will plan to put them behind the seat which should work
too. Mr. Pietenpol was right again...
Thanks all!
Jack
DSM
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: motorcycle links
Guys, I know this should be simple, but...
I have looked at the pix of those of you using motorcycle chain links. I got a
chain months ago and took the links apart to use as shown in some of the wonderful
pix on the site. Predictably the chain steel is wonderful stuff and it
is great to get such size, shape, and conformity without gnawing on steel sheet
as I often do.
Here are the questions:
a) if you are using 3/16" pins across the through holes, are you using a sleeve
over the pin, to keep the two chain link sides from flopping about? And if
so, what is it, fuel line tubing or some such?
b) are any of you pressing the chain links back together with the original pressed
pins, or using original chain links unassembled? (It looked to me like leaving
pieces together left too little room for two eyelet thimbles to fit in,
and of course, using a chain link as a link from cable-to-strap requires at least
disassembly on the strap end.
Tim in central TX
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: off topic question
Date: Jan 25, 2010
Douwe,
Copper tubing bends quite easily...if only you could ask some of my
ancestors from prohibition...
I had occasion to use some 1/2" tubing a few years ago while making a
home-made water cooler. I bent approximately 20' of tubing around a 16"
cylinder (roll of chicken wire!). All worked well...no kinks.
Obviously, that might be a little expensive for you...Good Luck!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: off topic question
As some of you might know, I am a sculptor. I want to propose a piece to a
city, but I'm not sure how to build it, so I thought with the knowledge
base, I should put it out there.
I want to fabricate a vertical helix (spiral, like the DNA strand). It
would rise into the sky about twelve to fifteen feet. I want it to be very
light and very strong so I thought I could build it from aircraft tubing,
cover it with dacron and paint it with latex. So far, so good. However, I'm
not sure how to get the tubing bent into that shape.
I did one last year where I bent aluminum around a cylindrical from, and
though it worked, it was difficult to say the least and I'm not sure we
could do with steel, which I'm thinking will be 3/4 to 1".
I was wondering if I could have a forging company bend the tubing into
circles and then stretch or open them up?
I'm sure there is a program out there that would allow a bending machine to
just whip these out for me.
Any ideas are much appreciated!!
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2010
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: off topic question
You could do it yourself with a tubing roller. This is one example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO1FOxscqqM
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jan 25, 2010 12:58 PM
>To: pietenpolgroup
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: off topic question
>
>
>As some of you might know, I am a sculptor. I want to propose a piece to a city,
but I'm not sure how to build it, so I thought with the knowledge base, I
should put it out there.
>
>I want to fabricate a vertical helix (spiral, like the DNA strand). It would
rise into the sky about twelve to fifteen feet. I want it to be very light and
very strong so I thought I could build it from aircraft tubing, cover it with
dacron and paint it with latex. So far, so good. However, I'm not sure how
to get the tubing bent into that shape.
>
>I did one last year where I bent aluminum around a cylindrical from, and though
it worked, it was difficult to say the least and I'm not sure we could do with
steel, which I'm thinking will be 3/4 to 1".
>
>I was wondering if I could have a forging company bend the tubing into circles
and then stretch or open them up?
>
>I'm sure there is a program out there that would allow a bending machine to just
whip these out for me.
>
>Any ideas are much appreciated!!
>
>Douwe
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: motorcycle links
Date: Jan 25, 2010
Tim,
I have "home-made" or "faux" motorcycle chain links. I used AN steel tubing
of the appropriate size. BTW - don't pay attention to the length of the
bolts pictured.all has been changed.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(16 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 10:15 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: motorcycle links
Guys, I know this should be simple, but...
I have looked at the pix of those of you using motorcycle chain links. I
got a chain months ago and took the links apart to use as shown in some of
the wonderful pix on the site. Predictably the chain steel is wonderful
stuff and it is great to get such size, shape, and conformity without
gnawing on steel sheet as I often do.
Here are the questions:
a) if you are using 3/16" pins across the through holes, are you using a
sleeve over the pin, to keep the two chain link sides from flopping about?
And if so, what is it, fuel line tubing or some such?
b) are any of you pressing the chain links back together with the original
pressed pins, or using original chain links unassembled? (It looked to me
like leaving pieces together left too little room for two eyelet thimbles to
fit in, and of course, using a chain link as a link from cable-to-strap
requires at least disassembly on the strap end.
Tim in central TX
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firewall tip
Date: Jan 25, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Installation of the front rudder pedals is a snap too without that firewa
ll in place.
You got that right. Imagine in your mind me diving head-first into the fro
nt pit with my legs hanging out trying to install rudder pedals and puttin
g in cotter pins. Not fun!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: off topic question
Since you plan on using a covering like fabric, could you buy a roll of sof
t copper tubing and then pull it out into the spiral you want? I don't know
what dia. you can get soft copper tubing, or if it will be string enough.
You may be able to solder, not weld, internal braces to help.
-
I think to buy something in a roll and then stretch it out into shape is a
good idea to start with.
--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: off topic question
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 12:58 PM
nk.net>
As some of you might know, I am a sculptor.- I want to propose a piece to
a city, but I'm not sure how to build it, so I thought with the knowledge
base, I should put it out there.
I want to fabricate a vertical helix (spiral, like the DNA strand).- It w
ould rise into the sky about twelve to fifteen feet.- I want it to be ver
y light and very strong so I thought I could build it from aircraft tubing,
cover it with dacron and paint it with latex. So far, so good.- However,
I'm not sure how to get the tubing bent into that shape.
I did one last year where I bent aluminum around a cylindrical from, and th
ough it worked, it was difficult to say the least and I'm not sure we could
do with steel, which I'm thinking will be 3/4 to 1".
I was wondering if I could have a forging company bend the tubing into circ
les and then stretch or open them up?
I'm sure there is a program out there that would allow a bending machine to
just whip these out for me.
Any ideas are much appreciated!!
Douwe
le, List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: off topic question
The guys are right about copper, noted for its malleability and ductility. Malleability
is the thing here, much higher than steel tubing.
If I were you, and if copper is satisfactory, avoid machines altogether at first.
Start with a roll of copper tubing at Home Depot, and then see how you can
either use or expand the diameter as you uncoil it by hand. Enlarging the diameter
can likely be done using a stationary plywood form of your fabrication.
Tightening diameters may take more force.
How much do the diameters change in the spiral you conceive? Can you visualize
a form like a spiral staircase being useful in your application?
I have seen and could build a lathe [in my past life and euipment] to do some of
this in production work (from wood lathe components, actually, with a lot of
mods) in COPPER, but would not want to do it with steel. You will not want to
go there for a "one-off."
Safety concerns are paramount in anything requiring turning equipment altered to
FORM something.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jan 25, 2010 11:58 AM
>To: pietenpolgroup
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: off topic question
>
>
>As some of you might know, I am a sculptor. I want to propose a piece to a city,
but I'm not sure how to build it, so I thought with the knowledge base, I
should put it out there.
>
>I want to fabricate a vertical helix (spiral, like the DNA strand). It would
rise into the sky about twelve to fifteen feet. I want it to be very light and
very strong so I thought I could build it from aircraft tubing, cover it with
dacron and paint it with latex. So far, so good. However, I'm not sure how
to get the tubing bent into that shape.
>
>I did one last year where I bent aluminum around a cylindrical from, and though
it worked, it was difficult to say the least and I'm not sure we could do with
steel, which I'm thinking will be 3/4 to 1".
>
>I was wondering if I could have a forging company bend the tubing into circles
and then stretch or open them up?
>
>I'm sure there is a program out there that would allow a bending machine to just
whip these out for me.
>
>Any ideas are much appreciated!!
>
>Douwe
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: motorcycle links
Date: Jan 25, 2010
Tim; about all I can offer is what I've seen
on John Dilatush's Piet, here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/P6210010.JPG
Looks to me like he used AN393 clevis pins
with washer and cotter on the far side. Not sure
if he used tubing spacers or anything else
between the two links. Perhaps there are
some better pix out there??
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: motorcycle links
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jan 25, 2010
Those are long links in John's photo. Perhaps he made those by hand? I have some
#80 links that I like the pitch on (1"), but they are big (the pins are a
hair under 5"16), so I'll probably try to make the #50 work. #50 is perfect for
3/16" pins, but the pitch (pin center to center) is only 5/8". when you subtract
3/16" (3/32" from the center of each pin), you only end up with 7/16" clearance
between the pins. Pretty tight for control horns, but so far that seems
to be enough for the areas I am currently attempting to use them.
It is your choice if you use a washer or not. You can calculate for one or more,
or eliminate the need by using the proper length clevis pin or bolt. For stationary
items, I really don't see the need for washers. Perhaps they minimize
binding on moving items? I kind of doubt that is much of a problem.
Good info in this link http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=67158
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283408#283408
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Control Assembly
Date: Jan 25, 2010
Mine is removable too.
Tom Bernie
On Jan 24, 2010, at 8:24 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> I would recommend permanently installing all
> the seat framing members (sticks) as you build
> the fuselage. They will help keep everything
> square and rigid. For the plywood seats and
> backs, I can only suggest what to do based on
> my own experience rebuilding the seats and
> framing on 41CC after the nose-over, when I
> found various things in need of repair.
>
> The front seat back needs to be permanently
> fitted and glued in place during construction,
> although once it's permanently fastened you
> have to alternate between cockpits when you're
> fitting controls, instruments, everything. It's
> just that the front seat back is an important
> structural element. The seat bottom actually
> has two plywood parts of interest... the front
> part of the bottom (trapezoidal shape with a
> cutout for the control tubing) and the seat
> part that the passenger sits on. The trapezoidal
> piece needs to be permanently installed before
> the controls are fitted into place unless you
> plan to make it in two pieces and fit them around
> the tubing, which I don't recommend because the
> trapezoidal piece is also a fairly important
> diaphragm that helps support the passenger's weight.
> The seat bottom can be left off indefinitely or
> you can do what I did and cut two holes in it
> to allow access to the control tubing and rudder
> bar underneath. See pix at the bottom,here:
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/seat.html
>
> After the front seat was permanently installed, I
> made a separate piece of plywood with the upholstery
> on it. That piece is held in place with velcro and
> can be removed for inspection of the rudder bar and
> controls beneath by viewing through the holes in
> the permanent part.
>
> In the pilot's cockpit, once the seat back goes
> in, access is very limited but 41CC has a
> hinged cutout that pivots forward, allowing access
> back there. Obviously, the hinged part can be
> left off until final assembly and there will be
> access to the area behind the seat until then.
> The seat bottom on 41CC is actually two pieces of
> plywood; one fixed, one removable. The piece that
> is fixed has large openings cut in it between the
> seat framing members so that there is hand access
> down into the area under the seat. Like the front,
> the piece that is removable is the piece that is
> upholstered.
>
> I think it is very important to be able to sit in
> the fuselage as soon as the framing allows you to
> put in at least a temporary seat. Sitting in the
> fuselage allows you to fit all of the controls,
> instruments, windscreens, seatbelts, and everything
> else to suit you properly. Not only that, it gives
> you the proper perspective out of the cockpit so
> you can begin to visualize the attitude and config
> uration of the airplane on the ground. It also
> offers the greatest psychological boost of almost
> any other phase of completion that early in the
> project, and will motivate you beyond belief.
> Put the seats in as soon as you can.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Firewall tip
This may be a re-send, as it appears I sent it first in rich text, html. TPW
Regarding firewalls, my project does NOT have a plywood firewall, only the SS one
for fire blockage. A couple of builders have told me that they did not have
a plywood firewall. I am pretty sure I saw some at Brodhead without wooden
firewalls. Some builders have told me that they felt that either the SS firewall
properly screwed into the wood fuze edges or certainly the steel motor mount
provided all the structure, the diagonal bracing, needed forward, for safe
flying.
I sure like the ability to keep on removing the SS firewall to access the front
rudder bar and links to the rear rudder pedals, even after the plane is finished.
I have seen Piets with really heavy thick plywood up there, too, and some
fellows who had cut out all but large X- braces with gusset-like center there,
to lighten up.
I don't recall the plans showing plywood there when I looke this up years ago,
and I don't recall a discussion on this. A search will pull a lot of posts on
stuff off the mark, I think.
What do you think (or know) about the need for a plywood firewall glued in place?
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Jan 25, 2010 12:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Firewall tip
Installation of the front rudder pedals is a snap too without that firewall in
place.
You got that right. Imagine in your mind me diving head-first into the front pit
with my legs hanging out trying to install rudder pedals and putting in cotter
pins. Not fun!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jan 25, 2010
Subject: good NOAA METAR interactive weather map
This is pretty useful stuff !
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/mwmap3.php?map=usa
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2010
Subject: Re: firewall tip
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
I took Mikey's advise on this and am glad I did. My firewall would have
looked like Swiss cheese given all the holes I drilled and redrilled to get
my control cables and wiring positioned correctly. Not to mention the extra
slipped disks I would have now from climbing into the front of the fuselage
from the top to hook things up. (Which is why I also waited to glue on one
side of the fuselage plywood too).
Rick
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] wrote:
> In reading about removable seat backs/ bottoms it reminded me of one of
> the best moves
> I made (or didn=92t make) while building and that was to not glue my fuse
lage
> 1/8=94 plywood
> bulkhead in until the very last step on the fuselage before COVERING.
> I mean I did not
> glue the firewall in until after the engine was completely rebuilt and
> installed and run
> on the airframe so that I could properly locate all of the controls like
> throttle, carb heat,
> gascolator, fuel line, oil pressure and temperature runs, and the all
> important smoke oil
> supply. Installation of the front rudder pedals is a snap too without
> that firewall in place.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> *
>
===========
===========
===========
===========
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jan 25, 2010
Subject: glue: do not eat
I recall Jim Markle sending this photo out confirming that
we're all just human and mistakes are easily made. Luckily
this mustard glue didn't ruin any sammiches that I know of.
Just another reason the guy is endearing. Let's eat !
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: firewall tip
I use a lot of the 24" X 36" heavier craft type/school project type carboar
d and make templates before cutting the plywood. The same will be done for
the firewall. After everything is in place, I'll just mark the holes I need
to keep and NOT drill the others into the plywood.
-
Attached are my seat back templates.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: glue: do not eat
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jan 25, 2010
Since Paul Harvey is no longer with us, I'll just let you know that in Jim's fridge,
there is another, very similar container that says 'MUSTARD - DO NOT USE
TO BOND AIRPLANE PARTS WITH".
And now, you know the "rest of the story". Good Day.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283429#283429
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2010
Subject: Re: firewall tip
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Did a similar thing using cheap Home Depot 1/4" ply instead of poster board.
Rick
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
> I use a lot of the 24" X 36" heavier craft type/school project type
> carboard and make templates before cutting the plywood. The same will be
> done for the firewall. After everything is in place, I'll just mark the
> holes I need to keep and NOT drill the others into the plywood.
>
> Attached are my seat back templates.
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Subject: Re: this group is really incredible
Date: Jan 25, 2010
Group,
I looked for Jim's "Pietenpol Builder's Guide to the Universe" on
Mykitplane.com but could not find it. Does anyone have a link??
Brian
SLC-UT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: this group is really incredible
Jim did the same for me when I started my project last spring.
An ambassador indeed, and definitely a good guy.
Bill Church wrote:
> almost six years ago, I decided to take the plunge. I ordered my
plans, and I made my first "real" post to the List, asking some typical
newbie questions. One of the first replies came offlist, from some guy
named Jim Markle, who was living in Plano, TX at the time. He forwarded
me a copy of his "Pietenpol Builder's Guide to the Universe" (which he
has since posted at Mykitplane.com), and offered to send me some
Pietenpol photos on a CD.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282977#282977
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: this group is really incredible
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jan 25, 2010
It's in the "Files" section
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=40
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283435#283435
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: off topic question
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jan 25, 2010
Douwe,
You don't say what diameter helix you're talking about, but if you can find a local
shop that has a tube roller, they should be able to roll it into the spiral
you want. Stretching a coil of rolled aircraft tubing is likely a lot more
difficult than you might expect - you'd be better off getting the tube rolled
the way you want it to be. You could also be limited by the length that you can
buy the tubing in (likely 20 ft max).
Professional tube rolling shops use a machine similar (in concept) to that Harbor
Freight machine shown in the Youtube video, except that they are driven by
motors and hydraulic rams to adjust the radius. The more sophisticated machines
are programmable, and can change the diameter as the piece is rolled. The shop
that rolls the tube would need to have dies to match the diameter of tubing
that you are using.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283437#283437
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 25, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: firewall tip
Wish I'd heard this tip about 4 years ago!
Ben
Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
> In reading about removable seat backs/ bottoms it reminded me of one
> of the best moves
> I made (or didnt make) while building and that was to not glue my
> fuselage 1/8 plywood
> bulkhead in until the very last step on the fuselage before COVERING.
> I mean I did not
> glue the firewall in until after the engine was completely rebuilt and
> installed and run
> on the airframe so that I could properly locate all of the controls
> like throttle, carb heat,
> gascolator, fuel line, oil pressure and temperature runs, and the all
> important smoke oil
> supply. Installation of the front rudder pedals is a snap too without
> that firewall in place.
> Mike C.
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: off topic question
Date: Jan 25, 2010
And check out this one with the extra roller for spiraling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYVEHUYEqE0&feature=related
>
> You could do it yourself with a tubing roller. This is one example:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO1FOxscqqM
>
> Jim Ash
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: motorcycle links
Date: Jan 25, 2010
I don't have links on my control horns. I have turnbuckles with a fork end
pinned directly to the horn. I do, however, have links joining the tail
cable
brace wires. I used clevis pins instead of bolts. Since you're not pulling
the assembly up tight, as in bolting a prop to a hub, there's no need for a
nut. This makes the tail a teeny bit lighter as well.
I threw in a couple of my just completed fuel system pics just for the heck
of it.
Clif
> Guys, I know this should be simple, but...
> Here are the questions:
>
> a) if you are using 3/16" pins across the through holes, are you using a
> sleeve over the pin, to keep the two chain link sides from flopping about?
> And if so, what is it, fuel line tubing or some such?
>
>
> Tim in central TX
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com>
Subject: Re: motorcycle links
Date: Jan 26, 2010
Nice tank work!
But that valve control rod - that's not the way you're going to leave it, is
it?
David Paule
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 26, 2010
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment list"
I'm preparing for my final inspection!!!
My inspector sent me a ck list of things to have ready.
What is a "flight manual" and what is an "equipment list"?
Also, anybody have a step by step weight and balance guide to walk me through that?
Thanks!
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 26, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment list"
Douwe,
On 01/26/2010 12:28 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Douwe Blumberg
>
> I'm preparing for my final inspection!!!
>
Congrats!
> My inspector sent me a ck list of things to have ready.
>
> What is a "flight manual" and what is an "equipment list"?
I (and others here) use a modified version of the following as our
Pilots Operating Handbook (aka flight manual):
http://nx770cg.com/OperationsManual.html
Wikipedia has some info regarding a "minimum equipment list':
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_equipment_list
I'm not sure if this is what he's looking for. Other builders will know
that...
>
> Also, anybody have a step by step weight and balance guide to walk me through
that?
See the attached image of the W&B sheet for N8031. You should be able
to fill out the data for your plane using this as a guide.
We want to see video of the second flight!
Cheers,
Dan
>
> Thanks!
>
> Douwe
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 26, 2010
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: compass correction card
My inspector is coming to inspect NX799B in my workshop. I won't be able to swing
the compass until I get it outside at the airport, hence I can't fill out
my compass correction card yet. However, I think it should be filled out for
the inspection so... Can someone send me the numbers from their card so I can
use them for the inspection until I can get mine dialed in? Anywhere in the
midwest will do.
Thanks!
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead '10
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jan 26, 2010
Dan - My guy gave me a simple 50 mile radius around my home airport which included
Houston Intercontinental & Houston Hobby. I think it was understood that
I wasn't allowed to go to those two places, though :)
Kevin Purtee
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283543#283543
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jan 26, 2010
Subject: tip for when your inspector comes
Douwe,
Just a few tips. Stop by your local home bakery (not grocery store Danish
or pastry-- the good stuff) or donut store and buy some fresh ones for your
inspector. Have a pot of coffee brewed and bottled water available.
Have a desk area available with a chair so your inspector can spread out
your weight and balance papers, his computer or papers and so he can sign
off all of your documents--your Aircraft Log Book, your airworthiness certificate,
and your operational limitations. Have everything all set up before the guy
comes. (or gal)
Inspectors will want to see all of your inspection covers open-- your cowling OFF
and be ready to run the engine for them. Not all require it---mine told me ahead
of time that he'd want the cowling off and an engine run demonstrated.
If you've flown the airplane (not that anyone has ever done that......ahem....)
make
sure you wipe all telltale bug guts off your prop and engine frontal area...not
that
anyone on the list would have ever done anything like that..but just in case:)
Little nit picks like a compass correction card shouldn't be an issue even if you
don't
have it filled out. You may get some things like red lines for your gauges...where
are
they ? Green arc for your airspeed, stuff like that. My guy gave me two or three
little things to modify or fix and then enjoyed a donut and coffee while filling
out
my paperwork.
I had a folder with all of my invoices from ASC, Wicks, Dillsburg, and elsewhere
like
Home Depot for my Minwax spar varnish, NAPA for the gallons of MEK I went thru..and
a few posterboards with construction still photos glued to them for a nice chronological
overview.
That is my advice--your mileage may vary depending on your inspector. Some will
obsess over
things that others don't even mention. My plane had no ELT and the inspector
never mentioned
it. (still dont have one--the smoke will tell everyone where I landed)
Best wishes-- you have ridden the horse around the LONG route to FINISH !!! Not
many builders
stick with it this long. Congratulations man !
Mike C.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg
>Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:05 PM
>To: pietenpolgroup
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: compass correction card
>
>
>
>My inspector is coming to inspect NX799B in my workshop. I won't be
>able to swing the compass until I get it outside at the airport, hence I
>can't fill out my compass correction card yet. However, I think it
>should be filled out for the inspection so... Can someone send me the
>numbers from their card so I can use them for the inspection until I can
>get mine dialed in? Anywhere in the midwest will do.
>
>
>Thanks!
>
>Douwe
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 26, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: tip for when your inspector comes
Ooooh, this is good stuff. Goes in my archive!
Thanks Mike.
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
>Sent: Jan 26, 2010 4:11 PM
>To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: tip for when your inspector comes
>
>
>Douwe,
>
>Just a few tips. Stop by your local home bakery (not grocery store Danish
>or pastry-- the good stuff) or donut store and buy some fresh ones for your
>inspector. Have a pot of coffee brewed and bottled water available.
>
>Have a desk area available with a chair so your inspector can spread out
>your weight and balance papers, his computer or papers and so he can sign
>off all of your documents--your Aircraft Log Book, your airworthiness certificate,
>and your operational limitations. Have everything all set up before the guy
>comes. (or gal)
>
>Inspectors will want to see all of your inspection covers open-- your cowling
OFF
>and be ready to run the engine for them. Not all require it---mine told me ahead
>of time that he'd want the cowling off and an engine run demonstrated.
>
>If you've flown the airplane (not that anyone has ever done that......ahem....)
make
>sure you wipe all telltale bug guts off your prop and engine frontal area...not
that
>anyone on the list would have ever done anything like that..but just in case:)
>
>Little nit picks like a compass correction card shouldn't be an issue even if
you don't
>have it filled out. You may get some things like red lines for your gauges...where
are
>they ? Green arc for your airspeed, stuff like that. My guy gave me two or
three
>little things to modify or fix and then enjoyed a donut and coffee while filling
out
>my paperwork.
>
>I had a folder with all of my invoices from ASC, Wicks, Dillsburg, and elsewhere
like
>Home Depot for my Minwax spar varnish, NAPA for the gallons of MEK I went thru..and
>a few posterboards with construction still photos glued to them for a nice chronological
>overview.
>
>That is my advice--your mileage may vary depending on your inspector. Some will
obsess over
>things that others don't even mention. My plane had no ELT and the inspector
never mentioned
>it. (still dont have one--the smoke will tell everyone where I landed)
>
>Best wishes-- you have ridden the horse around the LONG route to FINISH !!!
Not many builders
>stick with it this long. Congratulations man !
>
>Mike C.
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>>list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:05 PM
>>To: pietenpolgroup
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: compass correction card
>>
>>
>>
>>My inspector is coming to inspect NX799B in my workshop. I won't be
>>able to swing the compass until I get it outside at the airport, hence I
>>can't fill out my compass correction card yet. However, I think it
>>should be filled out for the inspection so... Can someone send me the
>>numbers from their card so I can use them for the inspection until I can
>>get mine dialed in? Anywhere in the midwest will do.
>>
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Douwe
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: compass correction card
Date: Jan 26, 2010
Douwe;
At the last annual condition inspection of 41CC,
I was told that the airplane needed a compass
deviation card. The spaces did not need to be
filled in but the card had to be installed.
The card on mine is still blank since I have
not yet swung the compass since installing the
card but it's a very simple procedure, esp. if
you have a GPS or something else to give you
exact headings. Otherwise, you need a compass
rose on the ramp or apron...
Here's a quick and easy procedure:
http://cfisher.com/compass.htm
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: tip for when your inspector comes
Date: Jan 26, 2010
When I got 41CC, it had no compass deviation
card, no marked ranges or redlines on any of
the instruments, and it was signed off
and had its test time flown off.
I'm just sayin'... you should think about
taking your airplane to Louisiana to get it
inspected ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: tip for when your inspector comes
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 26, 2010
Douwe,
Let the Inspector do the talking and ask the questions, answer as well as you know
how and do-not add stuff that isn't relevant, you will do just great, and
I will await your call for the good news.
Pieti Lowell
PS can your fly-off area be 1/8 mile wide and long enough to get you to Brodhead
?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283559#283559
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 26, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Brodhead '10
Dan, Just specify the test area to be to the west of Poplar Grove.- Make
your airport on the eastern most boundry of the circle, thus allowing you t
o fly further to the west.- I have heard of people doing this.- I don't
think the regs state that it has to be a 30 mile radius from YOUR home air
port.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Brodhead '10
Date: Jan 26, 2010
West will get him too close to Rockford. Go Northwest, towards, Brodhead
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '10
Dan, Just specify the test area to be to the west of Poplar Grove. Make
your airport on the eastern most boundry of the circle, thus allowing you to
fly further to the west. I have heard of people doing this. I don't think
the regs state that it has to be a 30 mile radius from YOUR home airport.
Shad
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 26, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: tip for when your inspector comes
Or at least find an inspector named "Gator"
NO archive, pls
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jan 26, 2010 4:06 PM
>To: Pietenpol List
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: tip for when your inspector comes
>
>
>When I got 41CC, it had no compass deviation
>card, no marked ranges or redlines on any of
>the instruments, and it was signed off
>and had its test time flown off.
>
>I'm just sayin'... you should think about
>taking your airplane to Louisiana to get it
>inspected ;o)
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: tip for when your inspector comes
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jan 26, 2010
Coffee and Donuts!! When my inspectors (I had 2) walked in and saw them they
said I passed and they didn't even need to see the plane! Seriously though, don't
think of it as a test. They really aren't looking to "fail" you. This is
probably one of the most satisfying parts of their job and they really want
to be able to give you that certificate. Enjoy it!
And pay close attention to everything that Mike posted up above!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283569#283569
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From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment list"
Date: Jan 26, 2010
Douwe,
Have available a scrapbook of photos showing the build in progress. In
particular, show every pic you can of you actually working on the plane.
Not only does it help qualify you for your "Repairman's Certificate", but
the inspector is likely to get engrossed at looking at the pictures and not
ask many questions (at least that's what happened with mine).
I had a W&B spreadsheet which I showed to the inspector. He never asked for
a flight manual (not necessary if you have placards and various "V" speeds
marked on your airspeed indicator). I made up a compass correction card,
then swung the compass later.
I don't believe a minimum equipment list is necessary unless you will be
using the plane in commercial operation, which as a homebuilt, you can't do.
As I mentioned to Dan Helsper, have in mind what you want for a test area
and ask for it - otherwise you will be stuck with whatever the inspector
thinks is appropriate. As long as you justify what you're asking for,
you'll probably get it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment
list"
Douwe,
On 01/26/2010 12:28 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Douwe
Blumberg
>
> I'm preparing for my final inspection!!!
>
Congrats!
> My inspector sent me a ck list of things to have ready.
>
> What is a "flight manual" and what is an "equipment list"?
I (and others here) use a modified version of the following as our
Pilots Operating Handbook (aka flight manual):
http://nx770cg.com/OperationsManual.html
Wikipedia has some info regarding a "minimum equipment list':
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_equipment_list
I'm not sure if this is what he's looking for. Other builders will know
that...
>
> Also, anybody have a step by step weight and balance guide to walk me
through that?
See the attached image of the W&B sheet for N8031. You should be able
to fill out the data for your plane using this as a guide.
We want to see video of the second flight!
Cheers,
Dan
>
> Thanks!
>
> Douwe
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 26, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment list"
Douwe,
Here's another W&B that is probably easier to understand. It's
certainly more complete.
Cheers,
Dan
On 01/26/2010 12:54 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
> Douwe,
>
> On 01/26/2010 12:28 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
>> Blumberg
>>
>> I'm preparing for my final inspection!!!
>>
>
> Congrats!
>
>> My inspector sent me a ck list of things to have ready.
>>
>> What is a "flight manual" and what is an "equipment list"?
>
> I (and others here) use a modified version of the following as our
> Pilots Operating Handbook (aka flight manual):
>
> http://nx770cg.com/OperationsManual.html
>
> Wikipedia has some info regarding a "minimum equipment list':
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_equipment_list
>
> I'm not sure if this is what he's looking for. Other builders will know
> that...
>
>>
>> Also, anybody have a step by step weight and balance guide to walk me
>> through that?
>
> See the attached image of the W&B sheet for N8031. You should be able to
> fill out the data for your plane using this as a guide.
>
> We want to see video of the second flight!
>
> Cheers,
> Dan
>
>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Douwe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: motorcycle links
Date: Jan 26, 2010
Thanks David
If you mean just hanging out there then no.
I haven't made the support bearing yet.
Clif
>
> Nice tank work!
>
> But that valve control rod - that's not the way you're going to leave it,
> is
> it?
>
> David Paule
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 27, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: tip for when your inspector comes
----- Original Message ----
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 9:21:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tip for when your inspector comes
Or at least find an inspector named "Gator"
NO archive, pls
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jan 26, 2010 4:06 PM
>To: Pietenpol List
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: tip for when your inspector comes
>
>
>When I got 41CC, it had no compass deviation
>card, no marked ranges or redlines on any of
>the instruments, and it was signed off
>and had its test time flown off.
>
>I'm just sayin'... you should think about
>taking your airplane to Louisiana to get it
>inspected ;o)
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Aileron piano hinge question
Date: Jan 27, 2010
For all of you guys who have used piano hinges for your ailerons:
I am installing my aileron hinges now. As many of you have (correctly)
advised, because the top of the aileron spar is beveled, I made sure
that I placed the attachment bolt/screw holes far enough down to give
clearance on the back side of the spar for the nuts/nutplates. I put
them at what I thought was the minimum distance down, only 3/8" from the
top of the rear face of the spar. I placed the hinge so that the top of
the hinge is flush with the top of the wing (i.e., the top of the rib
capstrips.
All of this being said, set up as I have it this ends up with the
attachment screws a LONG way from the hinge point, something just over
1", and very near the edge of the hinge (I opted to buy 3" wide hinges
(1.5" per side), wider than most on here, because I saw this as a
potential problem). Does this bother anyone? I am wondering about the
potential for the hinge to bend away from the aileron spar because of
the distance between the hinge line and the line of screws. Of course,
because the spar is angled, the screws are pretty much in shear anyway,
so it may not be a problem.
The solutions I see are (1) move the hinge down lower so that it is
below the top of the wing. This could, I suppose, cause a clearance
problem between the opposing capstrips. (2) I could use a wider hinge
on the aileron half, which would give more edge distance between the
bolt hole and the edge of the hinge. This would not do anything about
keeping it from bending, if that is a real problem.
So, how far down on the hinge are the screws for most of you guys? And,
how low/high do most of you have your hinge mounted?
Thanks,
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jan 27, 2010
Subject: piano hinge question
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 27, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010
Hello Group, I am starting to do some planning for my Ohio Piet fly-in this
June.- I am trying to figure out how many plan on flying in, or driving
in.- My proposed date is Saturday June 19, the day before father's day.
- If people want to tent camp thats fine with me, however I do not have r
oom for big rv's.- I am planning on having people bring a dish to pass (p
ot luck style) if able.- I will probably just go and buy dogs and burgers
.- I have a big dinning canopy and will get some tables and chairs so we
can get out of the sun, and will get the hanger cleaned up as well.- Don
I know you mentioned wanting to camp out, and possibly flying down on frida
y afternoon, that is- fine with me.- I am also pricing out turd closets
(port-o-johns), so let me know asap who plans on attending and I will get
er done.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jan 27, 2010
Turd closets... I'm sold.
What time do we eat? [Laughing]
--------
Mark - working on wings
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283627#283627
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jan 27, 2010
Subject: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010
If the weather is good Shad, count me in.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: piano hinge question
Date: Jan 27, 2010
Thanks, Mike.
Looking at your photo, I see exactly what I was wondering about. See
how close the screws are to the edge of the hinge? If it is not a
problem, I don't want to create one. If your hinge is only 3/4" wide,
then the nutplates on the back must be pretty close to the top of the
spar, too?
I also meant to ask about spacing. I used 8" spacing which gives 10
screws in the 6' long hinge. This looks to be about what you used too.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:17 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: piano hinge question
So, how far down on the hinge are the screws for most of you guys?
And, how low/high do most of you have your hinge mounted?
Gene=94I mounted the top of the hinge flush with the upper
surface of the wing and aileron in order to create a gap seal. My
hinge is about =C2=BE=9D wide per side and I simply countersunk
the hinge for the Phillips head machine screws that screwed into
self-locking nutplates on the backside of the wood. I=99ve never
experienced any binding either on the ground or in flight.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 27, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: piano hinge question
We used velcro strips and duct tape, it's holding up so far.
=C2-
Shad
Just kidding we copied Mike
So, how far down on the hinge are the screws for most of you guys?=C2- An
d, how low/high do most of you have your hinge mounted?
=C2-
Gene=94I mounted the top of the hinge flush with the upper surface of
the wing and aileron in order to create a gap seal.=C2-=C2-=C2- My h
inge is about =C2=BE=9D wide per side and I simply countersunk the hi
nge =C2-for the Phillips head machine screws that screwed into self-locki
ng nutplates on the backside of the wood.=C2- =C2-I=99ve never ex
perienced any binding either on the ground or in flight.=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010
Date: Jan 27, 2010
I never know my flying schedule until the middle of the month before,
but if I am off I will be there!
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell<mailto:aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010
Hello Group, I am starting to do some planning for my Ohio Piet
fly-in this June. I am trying to figure out how many plan on flying in,
or driving in. My proposed date is Saturday June 19, the day before
father's day. If people want to tent camp thats fine with me, however I
do not have room for big rv's. I am planning on having people bring a
dish to pass (pot luck style) if able. I will probably just go and buy
dogs and burgers. I have a big dinning canopy and will get some tables
and chairs so we can get out of the sun, and will get the hanger cleaned
up as well. Don I know you mentioned wanting to camp out, and possibly
flying down on friday afternoon, that is fine with me. I am also
pricing out turd closets (port-o-johns), so let me know asap who plans
on attending and I will get er done.
Shad
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
on>
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From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: piano hinge question
Date: Jan 27, 2010
Aileron hinges on 41CC are just like Mike's.
Pretty safe to say they're not going to fall
off your airplane, Gene.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jan 27, 2010
Subject: piano hinge question
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jan 27, 2010
Subject: Shad's velcro idea ! piano hinge question
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jan 27, 2010
Subject: what to do with leftover piano hinge ?
Ala Tony Bingelis's books just like the aileron hinge idea from what I reca
ll.
I also used piano hinge to neatly secure my aft-opening aluminum luggage/ca
rgo wing
center section covering---photo to follow in next e-mail.
Mike C.
PS-- Bingelis has some GREAT advice on how to build cowlings lightly and ST
RONG.
He really has some excellent tips to help you save weight and make removal
and
installation reasonable. More tabs and fasteners on the cowling are not n
ecessarily
better--nor a heavier grade of aluminum. All of my sheet aluminum is 2024
T3 .024"
thick.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jan 27, 2010
Subject: CC wing cargo cover hinge idea
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Shad's velcro idea ! piano hinge question
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jan 27, 2010
No kidding about the gorilla tape... that stuff is strong. I put a couple of wraps
around a crate that I shipped recently. When it was returned, one of the
panels (sides) was broken loose, but the gorilla tape hung in there and kept
the crate together. None of the contents were damaged.
Tough stuff indeed... I will be replacing my normal stash of Army green "100 mph
tape" with gorilla tape.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283643#283643
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Aileron piano hinge question
Date: Jan 27, 2010
Gene,
I don't think it's a problem. Mine are pretty far from the hinge line and I
haven't had any problems with them. I don't have any very good pictures of
that area, but here is a picture of the aileron being covered, and you can
see how far the screw holes for the hinges are from the edge:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron piano hinge question
For all of you guys who have used piano hinges for your ailerons:
I am installing my aileron hinges now. As many of you have (correctly)
advised, because the top of the aileron spar is beveled, I made sure that I
placed the attachment bolt/screw holes far enough down to give clearance on
the back side of the spar for the nuts/nutplates. I put them at what I
thought was the minimum distance down, only 3/8" from the top of the rear
face of the spar. I placed the hinge so that the top of the hinge is flush
with the top of the wing (i.e., the top of the rib capstrips.
All of this being said, set up as I have it this ends up with the
attachment screws a LONG way from the hinge point, something just over 1",
and very near the edge of the hinge (I opted to buy 3" wide hinges (1.5" per
side), wider than most on here, because I saw this as a potential problem).
Does this bother anyone? I am wondering about the potential for the hinge
to bend away from the aileron spar because of the distance between the hinge
line and the line of screws. Of course, because the spar is angled, the
screws are pretty much in shear anyway, so it may not be a problem.
The solutions I see are (1) move the hinge down lower so that it is below
the top of the wing. This could, I suppose, cause a clearance problem
between the opposing capstrips. (2) I could use a wider hinge on the
aileron half, which would give more edge distance between the bolt hole and
the edge of the hinge. This would not do anything about keeping it from
bending, if that is a real problem.
So, how far down on the hinge are the screws for most of you guys? And, how
low/high do most of you have your hinge mounted?
Thanks,
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron piano hinge question
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jan 27, 2010
Jack, is your TE metal? It looks pretty shiny, and I don't see any gussets at
the ribs... is that aluminum sheet? Maybe the light hit it just right to shine?
Great to see all the aileron talk... I am also getting ready to cut and hinge mine.
The hinges and hardware showed up yesterday.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283648#283648
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Aileron piano hinge question
Date: Jan 27, 2010
Yes, my trailing edges are aluminum, one of the changes from the plans I
wish I had not made.
Problem is, I made my ribs with the trailing edge ending with a 1/4" flat,
instead of coming to a point. When I installed the metal trailing edges, I
nailed them to the ribs, but as the fabric shrank it slowly pulled the
trailing edges forward on the ribs, creating a neat little pucker at each
rib, on the top and bottom of the wing along the trailing edge. No way to
fix it without recovering the wing. It took about a year after finishing
the airplane for this to show up.
Build it to the plans - you'll be happier.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron piano hinge question
Jack, is your TE metal? It looks pretty shiny, and I don't see any gussets
at the ribs... is that aluminum sheet? Maybe the light hit it just right to
shine?
Great to see all the aileron talk... I am also getting ready to cut and
hinge mine. The hinges and hardware showed up yesterday.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: piano hinge question
Date: Jan 27, 2010
Guys,
What size bolts are you using on the hinges?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: piano hinge question
Date: Jan 27, 2010
As I recall, I used # 8 aircraft grade (MS24694-S11, I believe) screws,
going into self locking nutplates. As Mike mentioned, the self-locking
nutplates are so aggressive that you will round out the head of the screw
before you ever get it tight, so I ran a # 8-32 tap through the nutplates
before attaching the hinges.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: piano hinge question
Guys,
What size bolts are you using on the hinges?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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Date: Jan 27, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: piano hinge question
Dad used hardware store "T"nuts with #8, or#10 screws.- He put a dab of t
-88 on the backs of the t nuts to hold them secure.- No problems so far,
and we have had to take them off-2 or 3 times-now for trailering (count
ing it's first ride to the airport).--
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: Re: piano hinge question
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jan 27, 2010
10-32 stainless round head bolts and blind nuts.
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Mark - working on wings
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Subject: Re: CC wing cargo cover hinge idea
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 27, 2010
"Please be careful when opening the overhead compartment, as the contents may have
shifted while in flight. Check to make sure that you remove all of your belongings
before leaving the airplane. Thank you for flying Cuy High Airlines
and we hope that you will choose us next time your travels bring you to Ohio."
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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Subject: Re: what to do with leftover piano hinge ?
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 27, 2010
...which reminds me. Walt Evans (where IS Walt these days, anyway?) posted a tip
on a nifty way to secure removable piano hinge pins. Very clever. Photos
here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/cowlhinge.html
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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From: "Tim White" <aa5flyer(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010
Date: Jan 27, 2010
Shad,
I would like to attend, but it will be a Rans S-6. My Pietenpol is
still under construction.
Tim White
Springfield
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010
Hello Group, I am starting to do some planning for my Ohio Piet
fly-in this June. I am trying to figure out how many plan on flying in,
or driving in. My proposed date is Saturday June 19, the day before
father's day. If people want to tent camp thats fine with me, however I
do not have room for big rv's. I am planning on having people bring a
dish to pass (pot luck style) if able. I will probably just go and buy
dogs and burgers. I have a big dinning canopy and will get some tables
and chairs so we can get out of the sun, and will get the hanger cleaned
up as well. Don I know you mentioned wanting to camp out, and possibly
flying down on friday afternoon, that is fine with me. I am also
pricing out turd closets (port-o-johns), so let me know asap who plans
on attending and I will get er done.
Shad
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From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010
Date: Jan 27, 2010
Everyone keep in mind that EAA 82 will also be having their annual
"Wings and Wheels" Fly-in in early June (probably the 1st weekend in
June) at Barber Airport (2D1), another great grassroots event in NE
Ohio. Lots of vintage aircraft & cars, grass strip, more than a few
Piets, and a great deal on breakfast (the important stuff).
Kip Gardner
On Jan 27, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Tim White wrote:
> Shad,
>
> I would like to attend, but it will be a Rans S-6. My Pietenpol is
> still under construction.
>
> Tim White
> Springfield
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: shad bell
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:26 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010
>
> Hello Group, I am starting to do some planning for my Ohio Piet fly-
> in this June. I am trying to figure out how many plan on flying
> in, or driving in. My proposed date is Saturday June 19, the day
> before father's day. If people want to tent camp thats fine with
> me, however I do not have room for big rv's. I am planning on
> having people bring a dish to pass (pot luck style) if able. I
> will probably just go and buy dogs and burgers. I have a big
> dinning canopy and will get some tables and chairs so we can get
> out of the sun, and will get the hanger cleaned up as well. Don I
> know you mentioned wanting to camp out, and possibly flying down on
> friday afternoon, that is fine with me. I am also pricing out
> turd closets (port-o-johns), so let me know asap who plans on
> attending and I will get er done.
>
> Shad
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://
> www.matronics.com/c
>
>
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From: "Jason Holmes" <jholmes8(at)centurylink.net>
Subject: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010
Date: Jan 27, 2010
Shad,
I will be driving in for the day with my Dad as well. I look forward to it.
Thanks,
Jason Holmes
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010
Hello Group, I am starting to do some planning for my Ohio Piet fly-in this
June. I am trying to figure out how many plan on flying in, or driving in.
My proposed date is Saturday June 19, the day before father's day. If
people want to tent camp thats fine with me, however I do not have room for
big rv's. I am planning on having people bring a dish to pass (pot luck
style) if able. I will probably just go and buy dogs and burgers. I have a
big dinning canopy and will get some tables and chairs so we can get out of
the sun, and will get the hanger cleaned up as well. Don I know you
mentioned wanting to camp out, and possibly flying down on friday afternoon,
that is fine with me. I am also pricing out turd closets (port-o-johns),
so let me know asap who plans on attending and I will get er done.
Shad
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Subject: Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jan 27, 2010
Hmm...
A covered dish, huh? With the wing baggage compartment filled with a tent, air
mattress, pillows and tie downs and the front pit filled with one of the kids
with a backpack and sleeping bags on his or her lap, looks like I'll have to
swing by McDonald's on the way and load my pockets with ketchup packets. Count
me in for the condiments!
I'm planning on Friday.
I'll pitch in for the burgers and turd closets too!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Date: Jan 27, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010
Wow! seems to be some real enthusiam for this little get togeather.- Bein
g that aircraft parking will be limited to about 6-8 aircraft behind my han
ger, we might have to park the "non piets" down by the t hangers.- Not a
problem though, I will let you all know what the parking arrangements are a
s time get closer.- I will make sure Bill See doesn't mind parking a few
aircraft at the t hangers and just walk down to my hanger for the shin-dig.
- Also my neighbor probably won't mind us using his back yard which will
double the parking, I'll just have to voulenteer to take his turns mowing t
he runway this year.
-
What have I got myself into!
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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From: <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Wing
Date: Jan 27, 2010
For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece)
completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok
or is this going to screw something up?
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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Subject: Re: what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment list"
From: "Xhalin1212" <pawpaw1212(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 28, 2010
If you chose to do a MEL, be aware that if anything you put on the list does not
work, you cannot legally fly the aircraft. I would not put anything other
than Altimeter, Airspeed, Tachometer, oil pressure gauge on it. As stated above,
you do not need one for your aircraft. Sometimes, Inspectors will ask for
one just to see what you say or do.
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From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Wing
Date: Jan 28, 2010
Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to
varnish inside all bolt holes.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: catdesigns(at)att.net
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece)
completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok
or is this going to screw something up?
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Re: Wing
Date: Jan 28, 2010
Q-tips work well for holes...
Jack
DSM
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 28, 2010, at 6:47 AM, "gcardinal" wrote:
> Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't
> forget to varnish inside all bolt holes.
>
> Greg Cardinal
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: catdesigns(at)att.net
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
> For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-
> piece) completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood.
> Is this ok or is this going to screw something up?
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://
> www.matronics.com/c
>
>
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Date: Jan 28, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Wing
I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted together cab
les and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to covering.
--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal wrote:
From: gcardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM
Varnishing under metal fittings-is the proper procedure. Don't forget to
varnish inside all bolt holes.
-
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: catdesigns(at)att.net
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece)-co
mpletely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood.- Is this ok or i
s this going to screw something up?
-
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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Date: Jan 28, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Wing
Agree, and Q-tips hold a LOT of varnish. I also found that an eye liner brush
does a good job.
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack
Sent: Jan 28, 2010 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Q-tips work well for holes...JackDSM
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 28, 2010, at 6:47 AM, "gcardinal" wrote:
Varnishing under metal
fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to varnish inside all bolt
holes.
Greg
Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From:
catdesigns(at)att.net
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52
AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
For all you wing builders, I am planing on
building my wings (3-piece) completely
then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok or is this
going to screw something up?
Chris
Sacramento,
CA
WestCoastPiet.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Wing
Date: Jan 28, 2010
except, don't forget, once the leading edge plywood is on, you cannot
get the forward strut fitting off. Varnish under that one and install
before installing leading edge.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal<mailto:gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget
to varnish inside all bolt holes.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: catdesigns(at)att.net<mailto:catdesigns(at)att.net>
To:
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings
(3-piece) completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is
this ok or is this going to screw something up?
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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on>
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Subject: Hampton Inn - Rockford
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jan 28, 2010
Most of you probably know this... some may not.
If anyone is planning to attend the Brodhead Pietenpol Fly In and will need a place
to stay, the Hilton chain is offering pretty good discounts if you book by
January 31. Last year, my family and I stayed at the Rockford Hampton Inn (recommended
by John Recine). It was very clean and comfortable, and they have
a hot complimentary breakfast.
Just wanted to mention it in case someone wasn't aware.
We sure are looking forward to the Fly In. Hope they have plenty of turd closets.
--------
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From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Wing
Date: Jan 28, 2010
Man, that=92s a LOT of varnishing to be done at one time. Given that
varnish
takes a long time (several days) to dry between coats, you might do
better
to be varnishing one portion while working on building another ' for
example, put a coat of varnish on your spars while working on the
fuselage.
You will want at least two coats of varnish on everything. Whether
using
epoxy varnish (my personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane
varnish
(next best) or a one can Home Depot variety of polyurethane spar varnish
(check to make sure it won=92t be lifted by the covering materials), you
will
get best protection by thinning the first coat about 50/50 with reducer
so
it will soak into the wood more easily. Then put a full strength coat
over
that. Make sure you get into all the little nooks and crannies (what
exactly is the difference between a nook and a cranny?), particularly in
the
ribs and tail section.
Just my 2=A2 worth.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted together
cables and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to
covering.
--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal wrote:
From: gcardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM
Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to
varnish inside all bolt holes.
Greg Cardinal
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<http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietenpol-list@matronics.
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Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece)
completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok
or is
this going to screw something up?
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronic
s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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Date: Jan 28, 2010
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Wing
(what exactly is the difference between a nook and a cranny?)
This is why we love the internet so much!
cranny [krn]
n pl -niesa narrow opening, as in a wall or rock face; chink; crevice
(esp in the phrase every nook and cranny)[from Old French cran notch,
fissure; compare crenel]
nook(nook)
noun
a corner of a room, or a part of a room cut off from the main part a
breakfast nook
a small recess or secluded spot; retreat
Etymology: ME (chiefly Northern) nok, akin to Norw nakke, a hook, ON
hnekkja, to hem in, drive back, OE hnecca, the neck (
http://www.yourdictionary.com/neck )
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Date: Jan 28, 2010
From: greg menoche <gnwac(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Wing
To save time, could you just dip the rib in a pan of varnish instead of Qtip and
brush method? Greg Menoche
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips
Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:11 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Man, thats a LOT of varnishing to be done at one time. Given that varnish takes
a long time (several days) to dry between coats, you might do better to be varnishing
one portion while working on building another for example, put a coat
of varnish on your spars while working on the fuselage.
You will want at least two coats of varnish on everything. Whether using epoxy
varnish (my personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane varnish (next best)
or a one can Home Depot variety of polyurethane spar varnish (check to make
sure it wont be lifted by the covering materials), you will get best protection
by thinning the first coat about 50/50 with reducer so it will soak into the
wood more easily. Then put a full strength coat over that. Make sure you get
into all the little nooks and crannies (what exactly is the difference between
a nook and a cranny?), particularly in the ribs and tail section.
Just my 2 worth.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted together cables
and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to covering.
--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal wrote:
From: gcardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM
Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to varnish
inside all bolt holes.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: catdesigns(at)att.net
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece) completely
then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok or is this going
to screw something up?
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.comblank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution Date: Jan 28, 2010 From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Wing
Some have just put one coat of varnish on to save on weight. Or grind off any
varnish OR epoxy drips, runs or squeeze out...to save weight.
Dipping would probably be overkill in terms of quantity and I wonder how you would
keep all those, ok I'll say it: nooks and crannys from retaining little puddles?
Would probably work but I'll bet the time spent hand brushing would save some weight...and
on the Pietenpol it ALL adds up!
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: greg menoche <gnwac(at)earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:05 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>To save time, could you just dip the rib in a pan of varnish instead of Qtip and
brush method? Greg Menoche
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips
>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:11 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>Man, thats a LOT of varnishing to be done at one time. Given that varnish takes
a long time (several days) to dry between coats, you might do better to be
varnishing one portion while working on building another for example, put a coat
of varnish on your spars while working on the fuselage.
>
>You will want at least two coats of varnish on everything. Whether using epoxy
varnish (my personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane varnish (next best)
or a one can Home Depot variety of polyurethane spar varnish (check to make
sure it wont be lifted by the covering materials), you will get best protection
by thinning the first coat about 50/50 with reducer so it will soak into the
wood more easily. Then put a full strength coat over that. Make sure you
get into all the little nooks and crannies (what exactly is the difference between
a nook and a cranny?), particularly in the ribs and tail section.
>
>Just my 2 worth.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Raleigh, NC
>
>
>
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>
>I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted together cables
and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to covering.
>
>--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal wrote:
>
>From: gcardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM
>
>
>Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to varnish
inside all bolt holes.
>
>
>
>Greg Cardinal
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: catdesigns(at)att.net
>
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>
>For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece) completely
then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok or is this going
to screw something up?
>
>
>
>Chris
>Sacramento, CA
>WestCoastPiet.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.comblank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: Wing
Date: Jan 28, 2010
Group,
On the topic of varnish...can it be sprayed on rather than brushed on? It seems
it would be much faster and easier, unless the varnish is too thick to spray.
Brian
SLC-UT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Some have just put one coat of varnish on to save on weight. Or grind off any
varnish OR epoxy drips, runs or squeeze out...to save weight.
Dipping would probably be overkill in terms of quantity and I wonder how you would
keep all those, ok I'll say it: nooks and crannys from retaining little puddles?
Would probably work but I'll bet the time spent hand brushing would save some weight...and
on the Pietenpol it ALL adds up!
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: greg menoche <gnwac(at)earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:05 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>To save time, could you just dip the rib in a pan of varnish instead of Qtip and
brush method? Greg Menoche
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips
>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:11 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>Man, thats a LOT of varnishing to be done at one time. Given that varnish takes
a long time (several days) to dry between coats, you might do better to be
varnishing one portion while working on building another for example, put a coat
of varnish on your spars while working on the fuselage.
>
>You will want at least two coats of varnish on everything. Whether using epoxy
varnish (my personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane varnish (next best)
or a one can Home Depot variety of polyurethane spar varnish (check to make
sure it wont be lifted by the covering materials), you will get best protection
by thinning the first coat about 50/50 with reducer so it will soak into the
wood more easily. Then put a full strength coat over that. Make sure you
get into all the little nooks and crannies (what exactly is the difference between
a nook and a cranny?), particularly in the ribs and tail section.
>
>Just my 2 worth.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Raleigh, NC
>
>
>
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>
>I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted together cables
and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to covering.
>
>--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal wrote:
>
>From: gcardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM
>
>
>Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to varnish
inside all bolt holes.
>
>
>
>Greg Cardinal
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: catdesigns(at)att.net
>
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>
>For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece) completely
then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok or is this going
to screw something up?
>
>
>
>Chris
>Sacramento, CA
>WestCoastPiet.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.comblank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution Date: Jan 28, 2010 From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Wing
I'm interested in this, too. Many types of
"varnish" are available in spray cans. Some are
true oil-based varnishes (Cabot sells this).
Others are urethane (just about all the major
players like Krylon sell their version of this),
and I guess there could be other types.
One big concern I have about this use is whether
the solvents and propellants are compatible with
whatever glue you are using. Most of us use
epoxy, but many still use rescorcinol, and still
others are exploring the newer one-part glues. I
would not assume that the solvent mix in a spray
can is the same as the solvent in brush can, even
for the same varnish by the same maker.
Of course, this may just be paranoia.
Does anyone have experience with the various spray varnishes?
>
>Group,
>On the topic of varnish...can it be sprayed on
>rather than brushed on? It seems it would be
>much faster and easier, unless the varnish is
>too thick to spray.
>
>Brian
>SLC-UT
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]
>On Behalf Of Jim Markle
>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:15 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>Some have just put one coat of varnish on to
>save on weight. Or grind off any varnish OR
>epoxy drips, runs or squeeze out...to save
>weight.
>
>Dipping would probably be overkill in terms of
>quantity and I wonder how you would keep all
>those, ok I'll say it: nooks and crannys from
>retaining little puddles?
>
>Would probably work but I'll bet the time spent
>hand brushing would save some weight...and on
>the Pietenpol it ALL adds up!
>
>jm
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: greg menoche <gnwac(at)earthlink.net>
>>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:05 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>To save time, could you just dip the rib in a
>>pan of varnish instead of Qtip and brush
>>method? Greg Menoche
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jack Phillips
>>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:11 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Man, that's a LOT of varnishing to be done at
>>one time. Given that varnish takes a long time
>>(several days) to dry between coats, you might
>>do better to be varnishing one portion while
>>working on building another - for example, put
>>a coat of varnish on your spars while working
>>on the fuselage.
>>
>>You will want at least two coats of varnish on
>>everything. Whether using epoxy varnish (my
>>personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane
>>varnish (next best) or a one can Home Depot
>>variety of polyurethane spar varnish (check to
>>make sure it won't be lifted by the covering
>>materials), you will get best protection by
>>thinning the first coat about 50/50 with
>>reducer so it will soak into the wood more
>>easily. Then put a full strength coat over
>>that. Make sure you get into all the little
>>nooks and crannies (what exactly is the
>>difference between a nook and a cranny?),
>>particularly in the ribs and tail section.
>>
>>Just my 2 worth.
>>
>>Jack Phillips
>>NX899JP
>>Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]
>>On Behalf Of Michael Perez
>>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I plan to build the complete plane, minus
>>covering, all fitted together cables and all.
>>THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to
>>covering.
>>
>>--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal wrote:
>>
>>From: gcardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM
>>
>>
>>Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper
>>procedure. Don't forget to varnish inside all
>>bolt holes.
> >
>>
>>
>>Greg Cardinal
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>
>>From: catdesigns(at)att.net
>>
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
>>
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>
>>For all you wing builders, I am planing on
>>building my wings (3-piece) completely then
>>take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is
>>this ok or is this going to screw something up?
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris
>>Sacramento, CA
>>WestCoastPiet.com
>>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>>" target=_blank
>>rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.comblank
>>rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>font-size:10.0pt;color:black;
>>Subscription,http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>style="
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Subject: Wing
Date: Jan 28, 2010
I was thinking more on the lines of spraying varnish out of the gallon can through
my industrial paint sprayer, I would think the varnish would be too thick
to spray through my automotive paint sprayer.
Brian
SLC-UT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:07 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
I'm interested in this, too. Many types of
"varnish" are available in spray cans. Some are
true oil-based varnishes (Cabot sells this).
Others are urethane (just about all the major
players like Krylon sell their version of this),
and I guess there could be other types.
One big concern I have about this use is whether
the solvents and propellants are compatible with
whatever glue you are using. Most of us use
epoxy, but many still use rescorcinol, and still
others are exploring the newer one-part glues. I
would not assume that the solvent mix in a spray
can is the same as the solvent in brush can, even
for the same varnish by the same maker.
Of course, this may just be paranoia.
Does anyone have experience with the various spray varnishes?
>
>Group,
>On the topic of varnish...can it be sprayed on
>rather than brushed on? It seems it would be
>much faster and easier, unless the varnish is
>too thick to spray.
>
>Brian
>SLC-UT
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]
>On Behalf Of Jim Markle
>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:15 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>Some have just put one coat of varnish on to
>save on weight. Or grind off any varnish OR
>epoxy drips, runs or squeeze out...to save
>weight.
>
>Dipping would probably be overkill in terms of
>quantity and I wonder how you would keep all
>those, ok I'll say it: nooks and crannys from
>retaining little puddles?
>
>Would probably work but I'll bet the time spent
>hand brushing would save some weight...and on
>the Pietenpol it ALL adds up!
>
>jm
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: greg menoche <gnwac(at)earthlink.net>
>>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:05 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>To save time, could you just dip the rib in a
>>pan of varnish instead of Qtip and brush
>>method? Greg Menoche
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jack Phillips
>>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:11 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Man, that's a LOT of varnishing to be done at
>>one time. Given that varnish takes a long time
>>(several days) to dry between coats, you might
>>do better to be varnishing one portion while
>>working on building another - for example, put
>>a coat of varnish on your spars while working
>>on the fuselage.
>>
>>You will want at least two coats of varnish on
>>everything. Whether using epoxy varnish (my
>>personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane
>>varnish (next best) or a one can Home Depot
>>variety of polyurethane spar varnish (check to
>>make sure it won't be lifted by the covering
>>materials), you will get best protection by
>>thinning the first coat about 50/50 with
>>reducer so it will soak into the wood more
>>easily. Then put a full strength coat over
>>that. Make sure you get into all the little
>>nooks and crannies (what exactly is the
>>difference between a nook and a cranny?),
>>particularly in the ribs and tail section.
>>
>>Just my 2 worth.
>>
>>Jack Phillips
>>NX899JP
>>Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]
>>On Behalf Of Michael Perez
>>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I plan to build the complete plane, minus
>>covering, all fitted together cables and all.
>>THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to
>>covering.
>>
>>--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal wrote:
>>
>>From: gcardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM
>>
>>
>>Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper
>>procedure. Don't forget to varnish inside all
>>bolt holes.
> >
>>
>>
>>Greg Cardinal
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>
>>From: catdesigns(at)att.net
>>
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
>>
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>
>>For all you wing builders, I am planing on
>>building my wings (3-piece) completely then
>>take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is
>>this ok or is this going to screw something up?
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris
>>Sacramento, CA
>>WestCoastPiet.com
>>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>>" target=_blank
>>rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.comblank
>>rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>font-size:10.0pt;color:black;
>>Subscription,http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>style="
>>font-size:10.0pt;color:black;="================>style=" font-size:10.0pt;color:black;
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>>font-size:10.0pt;color:black;="================>style=" font-size:10.0pt;color:black;
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Wing
Date: Jan 28, 2010
Greg asked-
>could you just dip the rib in a pan of varnish
>instead of Qtip and brush method?
Just to throw out another idea, there was an
article and photos in one of the old newsletters
where a builder connected a pump-type oil can
to a paintbrush with some clear tubing and
pumped varnish to the brush as he went, which
is much faster than dipping the brush in a can.
I don't remember which issue but the concept is
simple enough...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Re: Wing
Date: Jan 28, 2010
Sprayed my wings, Ace spar varnish diluted 10 percent
Jack
DSM
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 28, 2010, at 9:31 AM, brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com wrote:
>
> Group,
> On the topic of varnish...can it be sprayed on rather than brushed
> on? It seems it would be much faster and easier, unless the varnish
> is too thick to spray.
>
> Brian
> SLC-UT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:15 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
> >
>
> Some have just put one coat of varnish on to save on weight. Or
> grind off any varnish OR epoxy drips, runs or squeeze out...to save
> weight.
>
> Dipping would probably be overkill in terms of quantity and I wonder
> how you would keep all those, ok I'll say it: nooks and crannys from
> retaining little puddles?
>
> Would probably work but I'll bet the time spent hand brushing would
> save some weight...and on the Pietenpol it ALL adds up!
>
> jm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: greg menoche <gnwac(at)earthlink.net>
>> Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:05 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>> >
>>
>> To save time, could you just dip the rib in a pan of varnish
>> instead of Qtip and brush method? Greg Menoche
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jack Phillips
>> Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:11 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Man, thats a LOT of varnishing to be done at one time. Given tha
>> t varnish takes a long time (several days) to dry between coats, y
>> ou might do better to be varnishing one portion while working on b
>> uilding another for example, put a coat of varnish on your spars
>> while working on the fuselage.
>>
>> You will want at least two coats of varnish on everything. Whether
>> using epoxy varnish (my personal recommendation), a 2 part
>> polyurethane varnish (next best) or a one can Home Depot variety of
>> polyurethane spar varnish (check to make sure it wont be lifted b
>> y the covering materials), you will get best protection by thinnin
>> g the first coat about 50/50 with reducer so it will soak into the
>> wood more easily. Then put a full strength coat over that. Make
>> sure you get into all the little nooks and crannies (what exactly
>> is the difference between a nook and a cranny?), particularly in
>> the ribs and tail section.
>>
>> Just my 2 worth.
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>> NX899JP
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-
>> pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted
>> together cables and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just
>> prior to covering.
>>
>> --- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal wrote:
>>
>> From: gcardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM
>>
>>
>> Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't
>> forget to varnish inside all bolt holes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg Cardinal
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: catdesigns(at)att.net
>>
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
>>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>>
>>
>> For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-
>> piece) completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood.
>> Is this ok or is this going to screw something up?
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris
>> Sacramento, CA
>> WestCoastPiet.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com
>> ">http://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> ">http://www.matronics.com/c " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=nofollow
>> >http://forums.matronics.comblank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> > Subscription,http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List style="
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 28, 2010
Subject: Re: Wing
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Oscar,
I can picture that article...unfortunately I don't have my stack of
newsletters here at work (I really don't know why :P). Here is a short
article from an old Sport Av that covers that same technique....
Ryan
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Greg asked-
>
> >could you just dip the rib in a pan of varnish
> >instead of Qtip and brush method?
>
> Just to throw out another idea, there was an
> article and photos in one of the old newsletters
> where a builder connected a pump-type oil can
> to a paintbrush with some clear tubing and
> pumped varnish to the brush as he went, which
> is much faster than dipping the brush in a can.
>
> I don't remember which issue but the concept is
> simple enough...
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com>
Subject: Re: Wing
Date: Jan 28, 2010
I have successfully sprayed Minwax Polycrylic (which is an indoor acrlic
finish) with an HVLP sprayer. It sprays nicest with no thinning.
This was for kitchen cabinets - not an airplane. The Polycrylic dries in two
hours, repeat, hours, and is water-based, so clean-up was easy and I had no
worries of explosion in the shop. I tested the dried Polycrylic with water
and it held up well. Must confess, though, I didn't weight the sample before
and after. But the finish sample didn't degrade after a week in the water.
I'd think this would work perfectly well for covered parts. But the
directions say to sand between coats, so that might be an issue.
For many finishes, you can buy small jars or cans. That lets you try a few.
David Paule
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Intercom
Date: Jan 28, 2010
Any suggestions for a portable intercom that works well in the open
cockpit environment?
Perry Rhoads
N12939
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 28, 2010
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Intercom
I've had one of PS Engineering Aerocom (II, I think) units for 10+ years, after
flying with assorted others, before I bought that one. The magic for me was that
the Aerocom was the only unit I could find with separate squelch controls
for the pilot and the co-pilot. In the Cub with the door open, the noise levels
between the front and rear seats varies greatly. The single-squelch units always
seemed to either be always open or annoyingly difficult to open (having to
cluck into the mic before speaking).
Good mics really help, too.
I haven't kept up with PS Engineering's offerings, but I think they're still around.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: Perry Rhoads
Sent: Jan 28, 2010 12:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Intercom
Any suggestions for a portable intercom that works well in the open cockpit environment?
Perry Rhoads
N12939
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Intercom
From: jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com
Date: Jan 28, 2010
Perry
if you are electronic capable, do an google on "intercom schematics"
otherwise there are several commercial solutions that revolve around
motorcycle intercoms, also many of the GMRS radios can be fitted with
headsets
Jake
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Date: Jan 28, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Intercom
Perry,
I got myself a FLIGHTECH ITC-401/1-ENRI from Aircraft Spruce. It's got
an automatic electronic noise cancelling circuit - no squelch necessary.
It works pretty well, but I had to switch the pilot/passenger input
plugs since the front seat and back seat receive different amounts of
engine noise.
I'd also recommend buying/sewing/building some mic muff covers. Someone
here used 35mm camera cannisters with good success. I bought some
naugahyde covers from Oregon Aero and I think ACS has some, too. They
cut down on the noise caused by wind over the mics.
Cheers,
Dan
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"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 28, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Wing
I have also used the Polycrylic, but not on airplane parts...yet.- I may,
not sure at this point.- Mike Cuy will chime in soon, I'm sure, but I be
lieve he used off the shelf Home Depot type spar varnish. He also used a pu
mp up style weed killer sprayer as well. (again hardware store type.) I pla
n on using said sprayer myself on most items, but will hand varnish/stain t
he fuselage. I plan on using the water based Stewart's stuff for fabric/adh
esive, so I would venture a guess that the Polycrylic would work fine. As m
ost of the wood is covered, I don't think one needs to go overboard on mult
iple coats, armor clad type varnish.- Not there yet, so I still have home
work to do...
--- On Thu, 1/28/10, David Paule wrote:
From: David Paule <dpaule(at)frii.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 12:40 PM
I have successfully sprayed Minwax Polycrylic (which is an indoor acrlic fi
nish) with an HVLP sprayer. It sprays nicest with no thinning.
This was for kitchen cabinets - not an airplane. The Polycrylic dries in tw
o hours, repeat, hours, and is water-based, so clean-up was easy and I had
no worries of explosion in the shop. I tested the dried Polycrylic with wat
er and it held up well. Must confess, though, I didn't weight the sample be
fore and after. But the finish sample didn't degrade after a week in the wa
ter.
I'd think this would work perfectly well for covered parts. But the directi
ons say to sand between coats, so that might be an issue.
For many finishes, you can buy small jars or cans. That lets you try a few.
David Paule
le, List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 28, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Wing
My plan, when I get there, is to assemble the complete plane in my garage a
nd make sure it all fits together and that nothing has been missed. Then di
sassemble to varnish everything, laid out, in the garage. I don't like the
fact of having nicely varnished pieces laying around, getting moved around,
bumped, dinged, scraped, bolted/unbolted etc. Or find out a piece of plywo
od spacer needs to be epoxied in and now that varnish needs to be sanded...
or some other hick-up.
=C2-
I agree that smaller items such as the various tail pieces can be done soon
er rather then later. we'll see...not there yet.
--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Jack Phillips wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 9:11 AM
Man, that=99s a LOT of varnishing to be done at one time.=C2- Given
that varnish takes a long time (several days) to dry between coats, you mi
ght do better to be varnishing one portion while working on building anothe
r =93 for example, put a coat of varnish on your spars while working
on the fuselage.
=C2-
You will want at least two coats of varnish on everything.=C2- Whether us
ing epoxy varnish (my personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane varni
sh (next best) or a one can Home Depot variety of polyurethane spar varnish
(check to make sure it won=99t be lifted by the covering materials),
you will get best protection by thinning the first coat about 50/50 with r
educer so it will soak into the wood more easily.=C2- Then put a full str
ength coat over that.=C2- Make sure you get into all the little nooks and
crannies (what exactly is the difference between a nook and a cranny?), pa
rticularly in the ribs and tail section.
=C2-
Just my 2=C2=A2 worth.
=C2-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
=C2-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
=C2-
I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted together cab
les and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to covering.
--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal wrote:
From: gcardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM
Varnishing under metal fittings=C2-is the proper procedure. Don't forget
to varnish inside all bolt holes.
=C2-
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: catdesigns(at)att.net
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
=C2-
For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece)=C2
-completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood.=C2- Is this
ok or is this going to screw something up?
=C2-
Chris
Sacramento , CA
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Date: Jan 28, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Wing
I ended up brushing my wings. I was amazed how much varnish it took. I
used over 3 quarts brushed on. I can't imagine how much it would take
if you sprayed it.. Just a note, you can buy a gallon of spar varnish
cheaper than you can buy 3 quarts.. if I had only known.
Ben Charvet
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com wrote:
>
> I was thinking more on the lines of spraying varnish out of the gallon can through
my industrial paint sprayer, I would think the varnish would be too thick
to spray through my automotive paint sprayer.
>
> Brian
> SLC-UT
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 28, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled.
My A-65 is back together and running well, so I've rescheduled my
inspection for Feb 12. The recent posted tips were very timely. I'm
having the FAA come out. He mentioned he would want to see the engine
run long enough to see the oil temp come off the peg. The A-75 on my
Baby Ace takes forever to warm up. Any advice on this, and how it will
fit in with my break-in?
Ben Charvet
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim White" <aa5flyer(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled.
Date: Jan 28, 2010
Ben,
Glad to hear your Piet is ready. I would like to come down again and take a
look at it (you shouldn't have fed me the pizza). I just finished a Rans
S6S and am getting it inspected tomorrow. After that I'll have to get
tailwheel lessons and fly off the 40 hrs. Good luck on your inspection.
I'm still working on the Piet in Ohio.
Tim White
Woods and Lakes, Ocklawaha, Fl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Charvet" <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled.
>
> My A-65 is back together and running well, so I've rescheduled my
> inspection for Feb 12. The recent posted tips were very timely. I'm
> having the FAA come out. He mentioned he would want to see the engine run
> long enough to see the oil temp come off the peg. The A-75 on my Baby Ace
> takes forever to warm up. Any advice on this, and how it will fit in with
> my break-in?
>
> Ben Charvet
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 28, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled.
-
-
Could you not have the engine somewhat warm by the time he shows up? Maybe
he wants to see a cold start.
> My A-65 is back together and running well, so I've rescheduled my inspect
ion for Feb 12.- The recent posted tips were very timely.- I'm having t
he FAA come out.- He mentioned he would want to see the engine run long e
nough to see the oil temp come off the peg.- The A-75 on my Baby Ace take
s forever to warm up.- Any advice on this, and how it will fit in with my
break-in?
>
> Ben Charvet
>
>
>
>
le, List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled
Date: Jan 28, 2010
Ben; I had the same thing with my A65... it wouldn't
come off the peg (oil temp) until I was in the air
sometimes, and if I sat on the ground with it at
idle, it would take forever. Maybe you can pre-warm
the engine before the inspector arrives? However,
if you're just breaking in the engine after a major,
it shouldn't be idled around very much. On my
freshly-majored A75, my mechanic advised against
puttering around and ground running until after
the rings were seated and the cam followers
and everything got lubed and seated in. I did have
a few short ground tests to make sure there were
no leaks or other problems (good thing, too, since
I had a leak at one of the oil gallery plugs and
could have pumped all the oil overboard if I'd been
in the air).
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010
Date: Jan 28, 2010
Shad, Weather permitting Ed Delancy and I plan to fly our Piets to Sentimental
Journey that Wednesday and than on the Chapman on the Friday. Maybe Dave Stephens
and his Corvair Piet also, but that is a longshot.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
Sent: 1/27/2010 10:30:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In June 2010
Hello Group, I am starting to do some planning for my Ohio Piet fly-in this June.
I am trying to figure out how many plan on flying in, or driving in. My proposed
date is Saturday June 19, the day before father's day. If people want
to tent camp thats fine with me, however I do not have room for big rv's. I
am planning on having people bring a dish to pass (pot luck style) if able. I
will probably just go and buy dogs and burgers. I have a big dinning canopy
and will get some tables and chairs so we can get out of the sun, and will get
the hanger cleaned up as well. Don I know you mentioned wanting to camp out,
and possibly flying down on friday afternoon, that is fine with me. I am also
pricing out turd closets (port-o-johns), so let me know asap who plans on attending
and I will get er done.
Shad
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled
Date: Jan 28, 2010
That's the same thing I was thinking, Oscar. Ben I think you should tell
the inspector that:
1. A-65s take a LONG time to come up to temp when the weather is cool (I
know, you're in Florida, but even there it probably isn't out of the 70's
2. Having just done an overhaul, your engine is not broken in and prolonged
ground-running (as will be required to move the oil temp) will be
detrimental to getting the rings to seat properly.
3. Promise him that you will monitor oil temp on your first few test
flights.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Airworthiness inspection scheduled
Ben; I had the same thing with my A65... it wouldn't
come off the peg (oil temp) until I was in the air
sometimes, and if I sat on the ground with it at
idle, it would take forever. Maybe you can pre-warm
the engine before the inspector arrives? However,
if you're just breaking in the engine after a major,
it shouldn't be idled around very much. On my
freshly-majored A75, my mechanic advised against
puttering around and ground running until after
the rings were seated and the cam followers
and everything got lubed and seated in. I did have
a few short ground tests to make sure there were
no leaks or other problems (good thing, too, since
I had a leak at one of the oil gallery plugs and
could have pumped all the oil overboard if I'd been
in the air).
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Date: Jan 28, 2010
I use a cheap spraygun that has a screw on cannister. It pressurizes when
the gun is in use. It sprays varnish without thinning very good. I use 20 #.
30# if outdoors where overspray is not a deal. I think it's called an internal
mix. My small compressor keeps up with it nicely. I have a Binks that
would work great but I no longer have a big compressor. It wants 8 or 10 CFM.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283845#283845
________________________________________________________________________________
From: <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Wing
Date: Jan 28, 2010
You guys crack me up with some of your responses.
I'm with Mike P. on this, as I plan on building and fit everything
before it gets varnished, sealed, coated and what not. I was just
worried that removing the wires and fittings would mess up the trueness
of the wing but after looking at Jack Texters pictures I think I will be
fine. Thanks for the pictures on your website Jack.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
My plan, when I get there, is to assemble the complete plane in
my garage and make sure it all fits together and that nothing has been
missed. Then disassemble to varnish everything, laid out, in the garage.
I don't like the fact of having nicely varnished pieces laying around,
getting moved around, bumped, dinged, scraped, bolted/unbolted etc. Or
find out a piece of plywood spacer needs to be epoxied in and now that
varnish needs to be sanded...or some other hick-up.
I agree that smaller items such as the various tail pieces can
be done sooner rather then later. we'll see...not there yet.
--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Jack Phillips
wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 9:11 AM
Man, that=99s a LOT of varnishing to be done at one
time. Given that varnish takes a long time (several days) to dry
between coats, you might do better to be varnishing one portion while
working on building another =93 for example, put a coat of varnish
on your spars while working on the fuselage.
You will want at least two coats of varnish on everything.
Whether using epoxy varnish (my personal recommendation), a 2 part
polyurethane varnish (next best) or a one can Home Depot variety of
polyurethane spar varnish (check to make sure it won=99t be lifted
by the covering materials), you will get best protection by thinning the
first coat about 50/50 with reducer so it will soak into the wood more
easily. Then put a full strength coat over that. Make sure you get
into all the little nooks and crannies (what exactly is the difference
between a nook and a cranny?), particularly in the ribs and tail
section.
Just my 2=C2=A2 worth.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all
fitted together cables and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just
prior to covering.
--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal
wrote:
From: gcardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM
Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure.
Don't forget to varnish inside all bolt holes.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: catdesigns(at)att.net
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my
wings (3-piece) completely then take the fittings off to varnish the
wood. Is this ok or is this going to screw something up?
Chris
Sacramento , CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Wing
Date: Jan 29, 2010
Thank you Chris for your site! One day when I get a minute I plan to
get
working on mine with updates.
Jack
DSM
You guys crack me up with some of your responses.
I'm with Mike P. on this, as I plan on building and fit everything
before it
gets varnished, sealed, coated and what not. I was just worried that
removing the wires and fittings would mess up the trueness of the wing
but
after looking at Jack Texters pictures I think I will be fine. Thanks
for
the pictures on your website Jack.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael <mailto:speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> Perez
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
My plan, when I get there, is to assemble the complete plane in my
garage
and make sure it all fits together and that nothing has been missed.
Then
disassemble to varnish everything, laid out, in the garage. I don't like
the
fact of having nicely varnished pieces laying around, getting moved
around,
bumped, dinged, scraped, bolted/unbolted etc. Or find out a piece of
plywood
spacer needs to be epoxied in and now that varnish needs to be
sanded...or
some other hick-up.
I agree that smaller items such as the various tail pieces can be done
sooner rather then later. we'll see...not there yet.
--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Jack Phillips wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 9:11 AM
Man, that=92s a LOT of varnishing to be done at one time. Given that
varnish
takes a long time (several days) to dry between coats, you might do
better
to be varnishing one portion while working on building another ' for
example, put a coat of varnish on your spars while working on the
fuselage.
You will want at least two coats of varnish on everything. Whether
using
epoxy varnish (my personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane
varnish
(next best) or a one can Home Depot variety of polyurethane spar varnish
(check to make sure it won=92t be lifted by the covering materials), you
will
get best protection by thinning the first coat about 50/50 with reducer
so
it will soak into the wood more easily. Then put a full strength coat
over
that. Make sure you get into all the little nooks and crannies (what
exactly is the difference between a nook and a cranny?), particularly in
the
ribs and tail section.
Just my 2=A2 worth.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
I plan to build the complete plane, minus covering, all fitted together
cables and all. THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to
covering.
--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal wrote:
From: gcardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM
Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper procedure. Don't forget to
varnish inside all bolt holes.
Greg Cardinal
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Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
For all you wing builders, I am planing on building my wings (3-piece)
completely then take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is this ok
or is
this going to screw something up?
Chris
Sacramento , CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jan 29, 2010
Subject: low and slow in a Champ with the door off
Of possible interest. This gent's brother is building a Pietenpol in Ohi
o.
Most Pietenpol builders are wanna be crop dusters it seems to me. I know
I fit that
category. (watch those high tension power lines fellas and cell towers)
Mike C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BziHdAVNcK8
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: low and slow in a Champ with the door off
Date: Jan 29, 2010
I like the weeds blowing from his axle! Guess that's better than weeds on
the cabanes...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
16 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 6:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: low and slow in a Champ with the door off
Of possible interest. This gent's brother is building a Pietenpol in
Ohio.
Most Pietenpol builders are wanna be crop dusters it seems to me. I know
I fit that
category. (watch those high tension power lines fellas and cell towers)
Mike C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BziHdAVNcK8
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Date: Jan 29, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: low and slow in a Champ with the door off
I used to do that with my AD-6 in the everglades . Cheers, Gardiner =0A=0A
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Subject: Re: Intercom
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jan 29, 2010
Hi Perry - I bought a complete package from these people:
http://www.miracleantenna.com/
includes headsets, intercom, radio, external antenna (that reaches out more than
50 miles on a handheld). It was expensive, but when I priced all the stuff
individually the package was cheaper. Works great but there's no getting around
open cockpit noise.
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283920#283920
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Subject: Re: low and slow in a Champ with the door off
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 29, 2010
Yup... I've done my share of simulated aerial application in 41CC. We have a very
nice array of farms in the area around 8T8 where I'm based, and I have often
applied swaths of virtual bugjuice, invisible fertilizer, and transparent herbicides
from the imaginary booms and hopper in my Piet. If I would just go
ahead and complete the installation of my smoke system on the airplane, I could
do some REAL insect control with it!
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283923#283923
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From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 29, 2010
Subject: Re: low and slow in a Champ with the door off
Don't forget the middle east schwine drops with 41CC. That blood was
difficult to wash off.
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From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Re: Intercom
Date: Jan 29, 2010
I tried the 35 mm film canister someone else on this list
suggested....and....NO open cockpit noise, using a 40 year old head set &
mic (cost me $20 12 years ago) Received reports from as close as 5 miles
and as far away as 45 miles by pilots that could not understand me before,
due to open cockpit noise. Try it, you'll like it.
Gene in Beautiful, snowy Tennessee.
N502R
----- Original Message -----
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Intercom
>
>
> Hi Perry - I bought a complete package from these people:
>
> http://www.miracleantenna.com/
>
> includes headsets, intercom, radio, external antenna (that reaches out
> more than 50 miles on a handheld). It was expensive, but when I priced
> all the stuff individually the package was cheaper. Works great but
> there's no getting around open cockpit noise.
>
> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283920#283920
>
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Date: Jan 29, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Intercom
Well, what is it you do with the canister? Sounds like a good idea.
--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Gene & Tammy wrote:
From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Intercom
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 12:53 PM
able.net>
I tried the 35 mm film canister someone else on this list
suggested....and....NO open cockpit noise, using a 40 year old head set &
mic (cost me $20 12 years ago)- Received reports from as close as 5 miles
and as far away as 45 miles by pilots that could not understand me before,
due to open cockpit noise.- Try it, you'll like it.
Gene- in Beautiful, snowy Tennessee.
N502R
----- Original Message -----
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Intercom
>
>
> Hi Perry - I bought a complete package from these people:
>
> http://www.miracleantenna.com/
>
> includes headsets, intercom, radio, external antenna (that reaches out
> more than 50 miles on a handheld).- It was expensive, but when I priced
> all the stuff individually the package was cheaper.- Works great but
> there's no getting around open cockpit noise.
>
> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283920#283920
>
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Date: Jan 29, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Intercom
The instructions are somewhere in the archives, but the short of it is this:
1) cut an 'X' in the lid, big enough to let the mic pass through
2) push the lid over the mic
3) wrap the mic with gauze or soft, open cell foam
4) drill a small hole, 1/8-1/4" in the side of the cannister
5) place cannister over mic and snap on the lid
6) position the hole in front of your mouth and talk.
On 01/29/2010 12:07 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
> Well, what is it you do with the canister? Sounds like a good idea.
>
> --- On *Fri, 1/29/10, Gene & Tammy //* wrote:
>
>
> From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Intercom
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 12:53 PM
>
> <http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>>
>
> I tried the 35 mm film canister someone else on this list
> suggested....and....NO open cockpit noise, using a 40 year old head
> set &
> mic (cost me $20 12 years ago) Received reports from as close as 5
> miles
> and as far away as 45 miles by pilots that could not understand me
> before,
> due to open cockpit noise. Try it, you'll like it.
> Gene in Beautiful, snowy Tennessee.
> N502R
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil
> <http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>>
> To: <http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:58 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Intercom
>
>
> > <http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>>
> >
> > Hi Perry - I bought a complete package from these people:
> >
> > http://www.miracleantenna.com/
> >
> > includes headsets, intercom, radio, external antenna (that
> reaches out
> > more than 50 miles on a handheld). It was expensive, but when I
> priced
> > all the stuff individually the package was cheaper. Works great but
> > there's no getting around open cockpit noise.
> >
> > Kevin Purtee
> > NX899KP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283920#283920
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Date: Jan 29, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Intercom
Copy. Thanks.
--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Dan Yocum wrote:
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Intercom
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 2:12 PM
The instructions are somewhere in the archives, but the short of it is this
:
1) cut an 'X' in the lid, big enough to let the mic pass through
2) push the lid over the mic
3) wrap the mic with gauze or soft, open cell foam
4) drill a small hole, 1/8-1/4" in the side of the cannister
5) place cannister over mic and snap on the lid
6) position the hole in front of your mouth and talk.
On 01/29/2010 12:07 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
> Well, what is it you do with the canister? Sounds like a good idea.
>
> --- On *Fri, 1/29/10, Gene & Tammy //* wro
te:
>
>
>- ---From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
>- ---Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Intercom
>- ---To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>- ---Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 12:53 PM
>
>- ---- ---<http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zharvey@bento
ncountycable.net>>
>
>- ---I tried the 35 mm film canister someone else on this list
>- ---suggested....and....NO open cockpit noise, using a 40 year ol
d head
>- ---set &
>- ---mic (cost me $20 12 years ago) Received reports from as close
as 5
>- ---miles
>- ---and as far away as 45 miles by pilots that could not understa
nd me
>- ---before,
>- ---due to open cockpit noise. Try it, you'll like it.
>- ---Gene in Beautiful, snowy Tennessee.
>- ---N502R
>
>
>- -------- Original Message -----
>- ---From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil
>- ---<http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kevin.purtee@
us.army.mil>>
>- ---To: - ---<http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietenpol-lis
t(at)matronics.com>>
>- ---Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:58 AM
>- ---Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Intercom
>
>
>- - - > - ---<http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kevin.purtee@
us.army.mil>>
>- - - >
>- - - > Hi Perry - I bought a complete package from these people:
>- - - >
>- - - > http://www.miracleantenna.com/
>- - - >
>- - - > includes headsets, intercom, radio, external antenna (that
>- ---reaches out
>- - - > more than 50 miles on a handheld). It was expensive, but whe
n I
>- ---priced
>- - - > all the stuff individually the package was cheaper. Works gr
eat but
>- - - > there's no getting around open cockpit noise.
>- - - >
>- - - > Kevin Purtee
>- - - > NX899KP
>- - - >
>- - - >
>- - - >
>- - - >
>- - - > Read this topic online here:
>- - - >
>- - - > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283920#283920
>- - - >
>- - - >
>- - - >
>- - - >
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jan 29, 2010
Subject: spraying varnish on wings/ tailsurfaces
I sprayed my wings and tailsurfaces over a gravel driveway on two simple sawhorses
using Minwax Fast Dry Polyurethane spar varnish (thinned even more with more mineral
spirits than the fast dry already has in it) thru a Better Homes and Garden type
Hudson
or bug sprayer pump up unit.
To coat the wing I basically adjusted the spray nozzle to get an appropriate fan,
set out
some iced beer in a cooler in the garage then once one side was dripping nicely
I'd flip
the wing over so the drips would run down into other bare areas and hit that side
with
the sprayer. I'd keep flipping the wing and dab areas of dripping or dry areas
with a 2"
brush and then the next day repeat the process. I think I have 2 or 3 coats on
the wing
of the thinned fast-dry stuff. For all other parts of the airplane I used the
normal
Minwax spar urethane (not thinned at the factory or by me) with a brush until I
was happy
with the appearance--especially inside the cockpit areas where everyone sees.
I allowed many weeks and in some cases months to pass before applying fabric cement
(MEK
in my case) but was advised by the old IA's and A&P's at the local airport to spray
an
automotive DuPont 222S sanding sealer over any area that would see solvent. Back
to the
Better Homes and Garden bug sprayer with a gallon or two of that stuff that I found
at a
local NAPA store. The stuff goes on like water, dries in less than 5 minutes.
Two
coats of that insure that the MEK won't attack your varnish. Some builders paint
a 2-part
epoxy on any varnished surfaces where they anticipate solvents to be used in fabric
work
so that the solvent won't soften the varnish. I thought that was too heavy and
if this
method of sanding sealer worked for guys in their 70's and 80's who had been restoring
airplanes for 60 years then it was good enough for me.
Caution-- the sanding sealer won't guarantee that your solvent won't attack your
varnish.
The best policy for the sanding sealer to work is to allow your varnish to cure
for many
weeks...at least 3 or 4 before applying the sanding sealer. Any sooner and you'd
better
just use the 2-part epoxy where you are going to be applying solvent to do fabric
attaching
or finishing tape applications.
Mike C.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian.e.jardine(at)L-3Com.com
>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:16 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>I was thinking more on the lines of spraying varnish out of the gallon
>can through my industrial paint sprayer, I would think the varnish would
>be too thick to spray through my automotive paint sprayer.
>
>Brian
>SLC-UT
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright
>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:07 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>
>
>I'm interested in this, too. Many types of
>"varnish" are available in spray cans. Some are
>true oil-based varnishes (Cabot sells this).
>Others are urethane (just about all the major
>players like Krylon sell their version of this),
>and I guess there could be other types.
>
>One big concern I have about this use is whether
>the solvents and propellants are compatible with
>whatever glue you are using. Most of us use
>epoxy, but many still use rescorcinol, and still
>others are exploring the newer one-part glues. I
>would not assume that the solvent mix in a spray
>can is the same as the solvent in brush can, even
>for the same varnish by the same maker.
>
>Of course, this may just be paranoia.
>
>Does anyone have experience with the various spray varnishes?
>
>
>>
>>Group,
>>On the topic of varnish...can it be sprayed on
>>rather than brushed on? It seems it would be
>>much faster and easier, unless the varnish is
>>too thick to spray.
>>
>>Brian
>>SLC-UT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]
>>On Behalf Of Jim Markle
>>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:15 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>
>
>>
>>Some have just put one coat of varnish on to
>>save on weight. Or grind off any varnish OR
>>epoxy drips, runs or squeeze out...to save
>>weight.
>>
>>Dipping would probably be overkill in terms of
>>quantity and I wonder how you would keep all
>>those, ok I'll say it: nooks and crannys from
>>retaining little puddles?
>>
>>Would probably work but I'll bet the time spent
>>hand brushing would save some weight...and on
>>the Pietenpol it ALL adds up!
>>
>>jm
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: greg menoche <gnwac(at)earthlink.net>
>>>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:05 AM
>>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>>
>
>>>
>>>To save time, could you just dip the rib in a
>>>pan of varnish instead of Qtip and brush
>>>method? Greg Menoche
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Jack Phillips
>>>Sent: Jan 28, 2010 9:11 AM
>>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Man, that's a LOT of varnishing to be done at
>>>one time. Given that varnish takes a long time
>>>(several days) to dry between coats, you might
>>>do better to be varnishing one portion while
>>>working on building another - for example, put
>>>a coat of varnish on your spars while working
>>>on the fuselage.
>>>
>>>You will want at least two coats of varnish on
>>>everything. Whether using epoxy varnish (my
>>>personal recommendation), a 2 part polyurethane
>>>varnish (next best) or a one can Home Depot
>>>variety of polyurethane spar varnish (check to
>>>make sure it won't be lifted by the covering
>>>materials), you will get best protection by
>>>thinning the first coat about 50/50 with
>>>reducer so it will soak into the wood more
>>>easily. Then put a full strength coat over
>>>that. Make sure you get into all the little
>>>nooks and crannies (what exactly is the
>>>difference between a nook and a cranny?),
>
>>>particularly in the ribs and tail section.
>>>
>>>Just my 2 worth.
>>>
>>>Jack Phillips
>>>NX899JP
>>>Raleigh, NC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]
>>>On Behalf Of Michael Perez
>>>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:18 AM
>>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I plan to build the complete plane, minus
>>>covering, all fitted together cables and all.
>>>THEN take apart and varnish/stain just prior to
>>>covering.
>>>
>>>--- On Thu, 1/28/10, gcardinal wrote:
>>>
>>>From: gcardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
>>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>>Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:47 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>Varnishing under metal fittings is the proper
>>>procedure. Don't forget to varnish inside all
>>>bolt holes.
>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>Greg Cardinal
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>From: catdesigns(at)att.net
>>>
>>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>>
>>>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:52 AM
>>>
>>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>For all you wing builders, I am planing on
>>>building my wings (3-piece) completely then
>>>take the fittings off to varnish the wood. Is
>>>this ok or is this going to screw something up?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>Sacramento, CA
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From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Article on Ken Perkins
Date: Jan 29, 2010
I just read the article in the new Sport Aviation about Ken Perkin's and his
"Time Machine". Good article, and great publicity for Pietenpols.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: Re: spraying varnish on wings/ tailsurfaces
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 29, 2010
Yet another point in favor of the Stewart Systems water-based covering system,
I guess. Although I have really grown to love and appreciate the smell of the
Poly-Fiber materials, there are many positives to eliminating the solvent-based
covering systems. I assume that the Stewart System materials wouldn't do a
thing to varnish of any type.
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283968#283968
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Subject: Re: Article on Ken Perkins
From: "ivan.todorovic" <tosha(at)sezampro.rs>
Date: Jan 29, 2010
They've just published three nice links about Sky Scout:
http://www.eaa.org/sportaviationmag/2010/1958_02_14.pdf
http://www.eaa.org/sportaviationmag/2010/1958_03_13.pdf
http://www.eaa.org/sportaviationmag/2010/1958_04_11.pdf
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283969#283969
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Date: Jan 29, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Article on Ken Perkins
That's a nice article.
http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201002#pg44
>I just read the article in the new Sport Aviation about Ken Perkin's
>and his "Time Machine". Good article, and great publicity for
>Pietenpols.
>
>Jack Phillips
>
>NX899JP
>
>Raleigh, NC
>
>
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Date: Jan 29, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Article on Ken Perkins
I did not know that Ken's prop is 77x44. Zounds!
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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Date: Jan 29, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Article on Ken Perkins and Kevin Purtee!
There's also a nice picture of Kevin Purtee's Air Camper in that issue. Neat!
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Boatright
Sent: Jan 29, 2010 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Article on Ken Perkins
That's a nice article.
http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201002#pg44
I just read the article
in the new Sport Aviation about Ken Perkin's and his "Time
Machine". Good article, and great publicity for
Pietenpols.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Date: Jan 29, 2010
Subject: Re: spraying varnish on wings/ tailsurfaces
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Yup, no stinkin MEK, water based. I saved more brain cells just covering my
tail feathers than I fried in my freshman year at CU in 68.
Rick
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:52 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Yet another point in favor of the Stewart Systems water-based covering
> system, I guess. Although I have really grown to love and appreciate the
> smell of the Poly-Fiber materials, there are many positives to eliminating
> the solvent-based covering systems. I assume that the Stewart System
> materials wouldn't do a thing to varnish of any type.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> Air Camper NX41CC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283968#283968
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Article on Ken Perkins
Date: Jan 30, 2010
Agreed.super article. The archives for the magazine are outstanding, with
hundreds of Piet articles.
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 3:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Article on Ken Perkins
I just read the article in the new Sport Aviation about Ken Perkin's and his
"Time Machine". Good article, and great publicity for Pietenpols.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: Re: Article on Ken Perkins
Date: Jan 30, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Guys,
This is a great article about a great airplane. I would imagine that we ar
e going to get many newcomers to this list as a result of this article, an
d increased attendance to this year's Brodhead. Welcome to all!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Date: Jan 30, 2010
From: Ken Howe <ken@cooper-mtn.com>
Subject: Re: Article on Ken Perkins
It's not a Pietenpol, but my early morning picture of a Stampe on short
final was picked as the member picture of the month in the new Sport
Aviation. At least a Stampe is open cockpit and of all-wood construction. :)
--Ken
Jack Phillips wrote:
> I just read the article in the new Sport Aviation about Ken Perkins and
> his Time Machine. Good article, and great publicity for Pietenpols.
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
> *
>
>
> *
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From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: cockpit metalwork
Date: Jan 30, 2010
Re: Pietenpol-List: Article on Ken PerkinsOK, I am starting to cut metal
to make my cockpit coaming. The plans show the metal, for example
between the two cockpits as being made of two separate pieces. It is
similar for the forward pieces. It looks like many of you have built
your metal per the plans. I am wondering whether there is any practical
reason for this? I would prefer to make it out of one piece.
One potential reason I can see is in some of the original drawings, it
looks like one piece of metal covers the area back to the instrument
panel and the separate piece is angled upwards from the panel back,
maybe to allow you to see the panel better. If that is the reason, I
still do not want to do it, I don't like the way it looks. Anyone have
ideas? Has anyone angled the rear pieces upwards?
Gene
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From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: cockpit metalwork
Date: Jan 30, 2010
Gene, I think you could do it in one piece. The primary reason I
didn=92t do
that was that sheet aluminum comes in 4=92 wide sheets, which typically
are
rolled for shipping. If you make it one piece, you will be trying to
roll
it against (90=B0 from) the direction it =93wants=94 to curl. If you
roll the
aluminum the same way it was rolled for shipping, the 4=92 dimension
brings
you just aft of the front cockpit (see photo). Of course, with a Model
A,
you=92ve got some engine where I have baggage compartment, but still I
think
you want this cowling to reach to the firewall.
Bear in mind that I have a little bit (maybe 3=94) of aluminum up above
the
longeron on mine. I think (I=92ve packed the plans away for our
eventual move
to Virginia and have no idea where they are now) the plans show the
cockpit
coamings right on top of the longerons, like Mike Cuy did on his. I
wanted
a bit more protection from the wind, and having those long thin sections
of
cowling that extend along the longerons just made one long piece way too
flimsy and difficult to handle.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 2:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cockpit metalwork
OK, I am starting to cut metal to make my cockpit coaming. The plans
show
the metal, for example between the two cockpits as being made of two
separate pieces. It is similar for the forward pieces. It looks like
many
of you have built your metal per the plans. I am wondering whether
there is
any practical reason for this? I would prefer to make it out of one
piece.
One potential reason I can see is in some of the original drawings, it
looks
like one piece of metal covers the area back to the instrument panel and
the
separate piece is angled upwards from the panel back, maybe to allow you
to
see the panel better. If that is the reason, I still do not want to do
it,
I don't like the way it looks. Anyone have ideas? Has anyone angled
the
rear pieces upwards?
Gene
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From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: cockpit metalwork
Date: Jan 30, 2010
Re: Pietenpol-List: Article on Ken PerkinsI am not talking about making
the entire thing from one piece. If you look at the plans, there is the
area of metal from the back of the front seat that goes aft and over the
rear instrument panel. On the plans, that piece is made of two separate
pieces, one from the front seat back to the rear instrument panel, and
one curved piece from the rear instrument panel down to the sides that
the cockpit padding is attached to. My question is whether there is any
reason to make this from two pieces.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips<mailto:pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:31 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cockpit metalwork
Gene, I think you could do it in one piece. The primary reason I
didn't do that was that sheet aluminum comes in 4' wide sheets, which
typically are rolled for shipping. If you make it one piece, you will
be trying to roll it against (90=B0 from) the direction it "wants" to
curl. If you roll the aluminum the same way it was rolled for shipping,
the 4' dimension brings you just aft of the front cockpit (see photo).
Of course, with a Model A, you've got some engine where I have baggage
compartment, but still I think you want this cowling to reach to the
firewall.
Bear in mind that I have a little bit (maybe 3") of aluminum up above
the longeron on mine. I think (I've packed the plans away for our
eventual move to Virginia and have no idea where they are now) the plans
show the cockpit coamings right on top of the longerons, like Mike Cuy
did on his. I wanted a bit more protection from the wind, and having
those long thin sections of cowling that extend along the longerons just
made one long piece way too flimsy and difficult to handle.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 2:12 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cockpit metalwork
OK, I am starting to cut metal to make my cockpit coaming. The plans
show the metal, for example between the two cockpits as being made of
two separate pieces. It is similar for the forward pieces. It looks
like many of you have built your metal per the plans. I am wondering
whether there is any practical reason for this? I would prefer to make
it out of one piece.
One potential reason I can see is in some of the original drawings, it
looks like one piece of metal covers the area back to the instrument
panel and the separate piece is angled upwards from the panel back,
maybe to allow you to see the panel better. If that is the reason, I
still do not want to do it, I don't like the way it looks. Anyone have
ideas? Has anyone angled the rear pieces upwards?
Gene
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: cockpit metalwork
Date: Jan 30, 2010
Can=92t help you with that ' as I said, I have put my plans away for
the move
and have no idea where I put them. They=92ll turn up eventually.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cockpit metalwork
I am not talking about making the entire thing from one piece. If you
look
at the plans, there is the area of metal from the back of the front seat
that goes aft and over the rear instrument panel. On the plans, that
piece
is made of two separate pieces, one from the front seat back to the rear
instrument panel, and one curved piece from the rear instrument panel
down
to the sides that the cockpit padding is attached to. My question is
whether there is any reason to make this from two pieces.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips <mailto:pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:31 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cockpit metalwork
Gene, I think you could do it in one piece. The primary reason I
didn=92t do
that was that sheet aluminum comes in 4=92 wide sheets, which typically
are
rolled for shipping. If you make it one piece, you will be trying to
roll
it against (90=B0 from) the direction it =93wants=94 to curl. If you
roll the
aluminum the same way it was rolled for shipping, the 4=92 dimension
brings
you just aft of the front cockpit (see photo). Of course, with a Model
A,
you=92ve got some engine where I have baggage compartment, but still I
think
you want this cowling to reach to the firewall.