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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Bending aluminum tubing |
Good People,
I was wondering about what alloy to use for my aluminum Pitot tubes. I have some
1/4 inch 3003 - .035", but that seems too easy to bend. I was thinking about
6061T6, but was concerned about how easy it would be to put in the 90 deg bends
even with using a tubing bender and packing the tube with sand. Does any
have any experience with 6061 or 5052? Those that made your own pitot tubes, what
did you use and how have they held up to the casual knock and bump?
I off in a few minutes to see a friends corvair project for his piet. Its going
to be in the 60's here in Indiana and in the 70' tomorrow - with snow this weekend.
Rick Schreiber,
Valparaios, In
Richard Schreiber
lmforge(at)earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 cabane length |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
OK, I did my measuring. I did a little more looking on the web and found that
the recommended angle of incidence for the Pietenpol wing is 3 degrees. I am
assuming it is the same for the GN-1 wing. From posts I read this allows for
some washout on the tips. As I remember from Broadhead this summer the washout
makes the Piet a much better flying bird.
I struck a chalk line from the trailing edge to the center of the curve on the
leading edge to get the chord line. The chord line is at an angle of 1.83 degrees
to a line through the center of the mounting holes for the cabane struts.
To get to the recommended 3 degrees I will need to lengthen my front cabanes
by 5/8" to get 3 degrees. Probably the easiest is to weld another tube for the
attach bolt on top of the existing attach point and a new saddle strap over
the top. The fix will be tell tale at any gatherings but then I am not building
a show plane and it seems like a lot less work than cutting the strut and
lengthening it.
Thanks for your comments
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bending aluminum tubing |
test
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 1:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending aluminum tubing
Good People,
I was wondering about what alloy to use for my aluminum Pitot tubes. I
have some 1/4 inch 3003 - .035", but that seems too easy to bend. I
was thinking about 6061T6, but was concerned about how easy it would be
to put in the 90 deg bends even with using a tubing bender and packing
the tube with sand. Does any have any experience with 6061 or 5052?
Those that made your own pitot tubes, what did you use and how have they
held up to the casual knock and bump?
I off in a few minutes to see a friends corvair project for his piet.
Its going to be in the 60's here in Indiana and in the 70' tomorrow -
with snow this weekend.
Rick Schreiber,
Valparaios, In
Richard Schreiber
lmforge(at)earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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| From: | "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net> |
Like Jack I used the Poly fiber manual and video. Worked great and actually
was fun once I got the hang of it. Started with the tail pieces since they
are easy to do--Jim Lagowski in slowly warming up N. Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:26 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: covering
>
>
> Worked for me. I followed the PolyFiber manual and found it worked well
> and
> fabric work was one of the most enjoyable parts of building the airplane.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
> Holland
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:10 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
>
>
> While on the subject of fuselage covering, did the Bingelis method
> work for you guys? 4 pieces, bottom first, then each side, then back
> turtle deck?
>
> rick
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote:
>>
>> Rick,
>>
>> I think you're smart to do this.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I have decided to just pull everything off the firewall and glue the
>>> fabric to the firewall, whats an extra couple hours on a five years
>>> project?
>>>
>>> rick
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Clif Dawson
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, I hadn't thought about it a lot. A few times in
>>>> passing as I was doing other things. I think I can wedge
>>>> the edges foreward enough to stuff some glue and an
>>>> inch or so of fabric in there. There's 1/8" of fibrefrax
>>>> that can be pushed aside and the only places close to
>>>> the edges that are bolted down are the four engine
>>>> mount bolts. If worse comes to worse one could
>>>> wrap a thin strip of aluminum around it and screw
>>>> it down. Also I expect an inch of cowling will be
>>>> over it as well.
>>>> I'll work it out. With a pencil. Like my constipated
>>>> accountant.
>>>> Now you know why pencils have brown erasers. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Clif
>>>> "I am always doing things I can't do, that's how I get to do them. " ~
>>>> Pablo
>>>> Picasso
>>>>>
>>>>> Great question, I am also ready to remove my engine and start fuselage
>>>>> covering. Would be easier to not unbolt all that stuff from the
>>>>> firewall and remove the stainless firewall cover and wiring.
>>>>
>>>> rick
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clif,
>>>>>> Just wondering...are you going to remove all the engine stuff and
>>>>>> firewall to get a wrap-around on your fabric?
>>>>>> Gary Boothe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rick Holland
>>> Castle Rock, Colorado
>>>
>>> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
>
>
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | West coast Pietenpol Meet |
For those on the west coast, or going to be on the west coast during this June
we are having a Pietenpol meet on June 5, 2010. Charlie Miller is hosting us
at Frazier Lake Airpark (1C9) which is a beautiful grass strip in California.
I sent out informational fliers this past week to those in California that I
know about, but I'm sure there are other builders/owners who lurk. We already
have a couple Pietenpols that have committed to be there. It will be a fun
day of looking at and talking Pietenpols! I'll try to attach the flier as a
pdf.
Thanks,
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
Still building!
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A GN-1 Air Camper with a 2000cc Volkswagen engine |
Hey, Nice colors!
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A GN-1 Air Camper with a 2000cc Volkswagen
engine
I wonder if this airplane has flown yet ? My guess is that it
would be a single seater for all practical
purposes but who knows.
I e-mailed the person who posted this asking if it has flown yet.
Will report back if I hear anything.
Mike C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd0OtA9Du-k
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| Subject: | Re: Bending aluminum tubing |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Rick
I purchased two telescoping aluminum tubes and plan on installing a
"disposable" pitot tube in the wing leading edge, gluing the larger
tube in the LE with flexible tubing attached at the rear and the
smaller tube press-fit into it. After the first moron bangs his head
on it and bends it (me, of course) I just pull it out and shove in a
new piece of tubing.
rick
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Richard Schreiber
wrote:
> Good People,
>
> I was wondering about what alloy to use for my aluminum Pitot tubes. I have
> some 1/4 inch 3003 - .035", but that seemstooeasy to bend. I was
> thinking about 6061T6, but was concerned about how easy it would be to put
> in the 90 deg bends even with using a tubing bender and packing the tube
> with sand. Does any have any experience with 6061 or 5052? Those that made
> your own pitot tubes, what did you use and how have they held up to the
> casual knock and bump?
>
> I off in a few minutes to see a friends corvair project for his piet. Its
> going to be in the 60's here in Indiana and in the 70' tomorrow - with snow
> this weekend.
>
> Rick Schreiber,
> Valparaios, In
>
>
> Richard Schreiber
> lmforge(at)earthlink.net
> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Bending aluminum tubing |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
I silver soldered a lug to a brass 1/4" tubing ELL and mounted it to the front
spar with the bottom flush with the fabric. and tubed the wing with nylon tubing.
I am thinking if I can get some brass to just bend the pitot tube from I'd
use that. otherwise copper. it is soft and bends easily but I think it will
be easy to straighten if damaged and easy to replace plus it might look kinda
natural on an old bird. 8 inches or so won't weigh enough more than aluminum to
even notice.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290789#290789
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bending aluminum tubing |
I've had some experience with 6061. With a Fisher 404, used alot of it.
It was 6061-T6 (pretty sure of the T6 hardness)
This was shown by my mentor.
Turn on an acy. torch with just the gas for a sooty yellow flame.
Float the soot over the area that you want to soften, and coat it with
black soot.
Now here's the tricky part.
Add the oxy to get a regular neutral flame. Now float the flame over
the soot to erase the soot. If you linger in one spot too long, the tube
melts. But if you keep it moving, with practice, you can erase all the
soot.
Let it cool in still air.
Now all the hardness is gone and its soft like taffy.
You use this if you are going to flatten a round tube, to make an end to
be drilled.
Now bend or flatten, or do what you have to do.
When done set it aside, and in awhile (If I remember right, about 2 to 3
months) It will "age" back to a T6.
Pretty amazing.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 1:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending aluminum tubing
Good People,
I was wondering about what alloy to use for my aluminum Pitot tubes. I
have some 1/4 inch 3003 - .035", but that seems too easy to bend. I
was thinking about 6061T6, but was concerned about how easy it would be
to put in the 90 deg bends even with using a tubing bender and packing
the tube with sand. Does any have any experience with 6061 or 5052?
Those that made your own pitot tubes, what did you use and how have they
held up to the casual knock and bump?
I off in a few minutes to see a friends corvair project for his piet.
Its going to be in the 60's here in Indiana and in the 70' tomorrow -
with snow this weekend.
Rick Schreiber,
Valparaios, In
Richard Schreiber
lmforge(at)earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 cabane length |
Tom, isn't the "standard" to build with the aft cabanes 1" shorter?
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net>
>Sent: Mar 18, 2010 8:47 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 cabane length
>
>
>Guys,
>If you build cabane length to the CAD or previous plans you will end up with zero
or minus angle of incidence (from mean cord line). The plane will fly tail
low (as reported) with added trim drag and you won't be able to touch down at
stall speed with out hitting the tail wheel first. I physically measured the
angle of my center section to confirm 1.5 degree a.o.i. with the aft struts
1" shorter.
>Tom Bernie
>Gloucester Mass
>N666TB
>
>On Mar 18, 2010, at 6:28 AM, skellytown flyer wrote:
>
>>
>> Jon I expect you will get many answers on that.I like you bought my project
and the cabanes were done. I believe DJ made them both longer to help with entry
and with more angle of attack to help the fuselage fly more level since he
thought many of the planes flew in a tail low attitude.naturally it flies with
the wing at the right angle to provide the needed lift and your fuselage angle
is determined by that. so he reasoned that having slightly longer front cabanes
would level the fuse in flight.at least that's what I remember him telling
me.does that make sense or help? I'm currently trying to finish up the cowling
so I can start final assembly. Where are you located?Raymond. Texas panhandle
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290729#290729
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| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
Three very good articles...
http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/The-Pride-of-Cherry-Grove.html
dwilson
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290812#290812
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | pitot tube location |
The pitot on 41CC is located about halfway down
the jury strut on the starboard side. You have
to duck to get under the lift struts at that
point anyway, so you don't even get close to
the jury struts or pitot and nobody has even
come close to bumping the pitot yet.
If you put it up on the wing leading edge,
unless you're building your Piet as a trigear
it will actually be up higher than most peoples'
heads (except for very tall folks). That said,
I have seen more than one KR with the removable
insert type of pitot tube. Down at the level of
a KR's wing leading edge, pitots are really in
harm's way for getting bent or broken.
PS, good to see Walt back on the list!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | one man's suggestion for not bending any tubing |
Richard,
I ended up simply sticking a piece of =BC" stainless steel tubing thru a ho
le in the leading edge of my wing and connecting
it inside the wing with poly tubing and fittings from Wicks sold for the pu
rpose of being used in routing airspeed and
pitot/static lines. Don't bother running static lines-you don't need
them in an open cockpit airplane. Just plug the
ASI and altimeter static ports with a pipe plug and drill a tiny hole in th
e plug to let the instrument vent slightly. Whala.
Also to hide my air speed line coming down from the inside of the wing I ju
st ran it down the inside of the right rear cabane
strut into the instrument panel bay.
We don't need to bend no stinkin'g tubing !!! We ain't got no stinking t
ubing.
Mike C.
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| From: | "VanDy" <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
So I'm going to buy a Garmin GPSMAP 96 (black and white) and just curious as to
what everyone else uses. I have a Garmin 92, but its a little outdated, and
the 96 seems to be better but equivalent in weight and size. I learned to navigate
by map, but its nice to have the GPS for when night fall or the gas level
gets low! the only electronics I plan on running is for coms between seats,
and a battery powered GPS for standby. Stuff like that does come in Handy!!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290819#290819
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 cabane length |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
timothywillis(at)earthlin wrote:
> Tom, isn't the "standard" to build with the aft cabanes 1" shorter?
> Tim in central TX
>
>
> --
Tim,
I think that is the norm for the Piet. but the GN-1 has the spars relocated and
thus the attachment hardware relocated, and with the larger radius leading edge
which adjusts the leading edge end of the mean aerodynamic chord upward. All
of these slight changes add up to 3/8" less on the GN-1. Perhaps I am splitting
too many hairs here and the actual angle of incidence may not be that critical.
Maybe several with flying GN-1's could chime in here.
Jon in central NY
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | simple LE wing pitot tube installation |
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| From: | "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Handheld GPS |
I use a sectional, a compass and a clock. No worries.
I have yet to experience a "Low Signal Strength" or "Low Battery" with a
sectional.
My teenagers might tell you I'm old-school because I'm too thick headed to
learn how to program a GPS.......
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "VanDy" <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld GPS
>
>
> So I'm going to buy a Garmin GPSMAP 96 (black and white) and just curious
> as to what everyone else uses. I have a Garmin 92, but its a little
> outdated, and the 96 seems to be better but equivalent in weight and size.
> I learned to navigate by map, but its nice to have the GPS for when night
> fall or the gas level gets low! the only electronics I plan on running is
> for coms between seats, and a battery powered GPS for standby. Stuff like
> that does come in Handy!!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290819#290819
>
>
>
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
This message is from Douwe Blumberg.
Went to the strip today, which is really a slice of paradise. 3100' of
eautiful smooth grass, with no buildings on either side and NO traffic
hatsover. God is good!!!
Hooked everything back up after having removed the wings for transport, ga
ve
t a good bath and fiddled with the mixture control a little and then we
ere off for some taxi-testing. Everything worked well, I ever got the tai
l
p at a nice slow speed, thanks to a good breeze coming straight down the
unway.
Seemed rather surreal after all this time. The pictures are helping me
elieve it is almost there!
Douwe
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| Subject: | #3 of 3 photos from Douwe |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Looking good, Douwe!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 6:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big day!!
This message is from Douwe Blumberg.
Went to the strip today, which is really a slice of paradise. 3100' of
beautiful smooth grass, with no buildings on either side and NO traffic
whatsover. God is good!!!
Hooked everything back up after having removed the wings for transport, gave
it a good bath and fiddled with the mixture control a little and then we
were off for some taxi-testing. Everything worked well, I ever got the tail
up at a nice slow speed, thanks to a good breeze coming straight down the
runway.
Seemed rather surreal after all this time. The pictures are helping me
believe it is almost there!
Douwe
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
Guys
Can you please shrunk down your photos before sending them? Between all the photos
I received since last night, you guys burned up 13 meg of disk and blew the
limit on my email buffer space.
The photos are cool and I like seeing them, but we're not printing a magazine here.
We don't need 1 meg+ resolution on every photo to get the point across.
Jim Ash
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| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net> |
I love the big files as I save them all to my PIET folders. I just don't get emailed
updates I do mine all by computer.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Beautiful pics!!! I like the old barn and water tower in the background.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 3:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big day!!
This message is from Douwe Blumberg.
Went to the strip today, which is really a slice of paradise. 3100' of
beautiful smooth grass, with no buildings on either side and NO traffic
whatsover. God is good!!!
Hooked everything back up after having removed the wings for transport, gave
it a good bath and fiddled with the mixture control a little and then we
were off for some taxi-testing. Everything worked well, I ever got the tail
up at a nice slow speed, thanks to a good breeze coming straight down the
runway.
Seemed rather surreal after all this time. The pictures are helping me
believe it is almost there!
Douwe
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| From: | Mike Townsley <allischalmersguy(at)gmail.com> |
Way to go Douwe! The plane looks fantastic, a true antique! Pics with
the old watertower look great! Nice job. I am anxious to hear of the
maiden voyage!
Mike Townsley
helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> This message is from Douwe Blumberg.
>
>
> Went to the strip today, which is really a slice of paradise. 3100' of
> beautiful smooth grass, with no buildings on either side and NO traffic
> whatsover. God is good!!!
>
> Hooked everything back up after having removed the wings for transport, gave
> it a good bath and fiddled with the mixture control a little and then we
> were off for some taxi-testing. Everything worked well, I ever got the tail
> up at a nice slow speed, thanks to a good breeze coming straight down the
> runway.
>
> Seemed rather surreal after all this time. The pictures are helping me
> believe it is almost there!
> Douwe
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> |
If you think raising the tail is fun, wait till you raise the mains
too! Looking forward to hearing your first flight report. Beautiful
airplane!
Ben Charvet
11.1 hours on Hobbs
On 3/19/2010 6:57 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> This message is from Douwe Blumberg.
>
>
> Went to the strip today, which is really a slice of paradise. 3100' of
> beautiful smooth grass, with no buildings on either side and NO traffic
> whatsover. God is good!!!
>
> Hooked everything back up after having removed the wings for transport, gave
> it a good bath and fiddled with the mixture control a little and then we
> were off for some taxi-testing. Everything worked well, I ever got the tail
> up at a nice slow speed, thanks to a good breeze coming straight down the
> runway.
>
> Seemed rather surreal after all this time. The pictures are helping me
> believe it is almost there!
> Douwe
>
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Great job Douwe. It looks like we will have a great turn out at Brodhead this year.
I have 7 hours now on mine now and a clear and warm weekend coming up. Gardiner
Mason
--- On Thu, 3/18/10, Mike Townsley wrote:
> From: Mike Townsley <allischalmersguy(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big day!!
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 4:40 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: Mike Townsley
>
> Way to go Douwe! The plane looks fantastic, a true antique!
> Pics with
> the old watertower look great! Nice job. I am
> anxious to hear of the
> maiden voyage!
> Mike Townsley
>
> helspersew(at)aol.com
> wrote:
> > This message is from Douwe Blumberg.
> >
> >
> > Went to the strip today, which is really a slice of
> paradise. 3100' of
> > beautiful smooth grass, with no buildings on either
> side and NO traffic
> > whatsover. God is good!!!
> >
> > Hooked everything back up after having removed the
> wings for transport, gave
> > it a good bath and fiddled with the mixture control a
> little and then we
> > were off for some taxi-testing. Everything
> worked well, I ever got the tail
> > up at a nice slow speed, thanks to a good breeze
> coming straight down the
> > runway.
> >
> > Seemed rather surreal after all this time. The
> pictures are helping me
> > believe it is almost there!
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| From: | Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 cabane length |
FYI
If memory serves me right, in 2005 at Broadhead, I measured the
cabanes of all the Piets (18?). Everyone had 1" shorter rear cabane
than the front one.
Roman B. NX20795
Also my Piet has the 1" difference.
On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:52 PM, coxwelljon wrote:
> >
>
> OK, I did my measuring. I did a little more looking on the web and
> found that the recommended angle of incidence for the Pietenpol wing
> is 3 degrees. I am assuming it is the same for the GN-1 wing. From
> posts I read this allows for some washout on the tips. As I
> remember from Broadhead this summer the washout makes the Piet a
> much better flying bird.
>
> I struck a chalk line from the trailing edge to the center of the
> curve on the leading edge to get the chord line. The chord line is
> at an angle of 1.83 degrees to a line through the center of the
> mounting holes for the cabane struts. To get to the recommended 3
> degrees I will need to lengthen my front cabanes by 5/8" to get 3
> degrees. Probably the easiest is to weld another tube for the
> attach bolt on top of the existing attach point and a new saddle
> strap over the top. The fix will be tell tale at any gatherings but
> then I am not building a show plane and it seems like a lot less
> work than cutting the strut and lengthening it.
>
> Thanks for your comments
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290778#290778
>
>
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Here's a differing viewpoint regarding photo sizes:
I LIKE the big photos.
Personally, I'm always disappointed when the photo attachments are so small that
I can't make out details. I know that a few years ago, there were still a few
guys with dial-up internet connections who were constantly complaining about
how long it would take to download the messages that had decent sized photos
attached - but I don't think there are too many people still on dial-up. My home
email is pretty basic (through my phone line) and I can send and receive attachments
up to 10 Megs. I think that the size limit prescribed by Matronics is
reasonable (2 Meg maximum), in today's world.
So I say, keep the big photos coming - especially like those great shots of Douwe's
new plane, and the close-up details of Mike's pitot lines. Each of those
shots were worth at least 1000 proverbial words.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290892#290892
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: simple LE wing pitot tube installation |
Is that a 50 caliber machine gun in your wing Michael?- Cheers, Gardiner
--- On Thu, 3/18/10, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
wrote:
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] <michael.d.cuy
@nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: simple LE wing pitot tube installation
Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 3:31 PM
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
The plane looks amazing; I like the color scheme. That plane ain't gonna get lost
against a blue sky.
Very nice job, Douwe.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe
Sent: Mar 19, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Big day!!
Beautiful pics!!! I like the old barn and water tower in the background
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 3:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big day!!
This message is from Douwe Blumberg.
Went to the strip today, which is really a slice of paradise. 3100' ofbeautiful
smooth grass, with no buildings on either side and NO trafficwhatsover. God
is good!!! Hooked everything back up after having removed the wings for transport,
gaveit a good bath and fiddled with the mixture control a little and then
wewere off for some taxi-testing. Everything worked well, I ever got the tailup
at a nice slow speed, thanks to a good breeze coming straight down therunway.
Seemed rather surreal after all this time. The pictures are helping mebelieve
it is almost there!
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
Actually, I save a lot of them myself, too.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson(at)erec.net>
>Sent: Mar 19, 2010 7:26 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo sizes
>
>
>I love the big files as I save them all to my PIET folders. I just don't get emailed
updates I do mine all by computer.
>
>--------
>Jerry Dotson
>59 Daniel Johnson Rd
>Baker, FL 32531
>
>Started building NX510JD July, 2009
>Ribs and tailfeathers done
>using Lycoming O-235
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290876#290876
>
>
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
What's GPS?
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection.
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
I'm not on dial-up; it's DSL. What I am on is a web-mail server with limited buffer
space for each user. I'm a visual guy, and a picture is worth a thousand
words to me also. But I suspect you could cut the photo resolution in half, still
get the point across, and only a photographer could tell the difference. Glamour
shots like Douwe's plane need really good resolution because I'll blow
them up to full-screen size (I'd do life-size if I had the monitor for it), but
you don't need that for close-up's of welds, glue joints and other such construction
tips.
I'm not trying to cause any dissention amongst the ranks. If I'm the only one who
cares, I'll sit down ahd shut up.
Blue skies.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
>Sent: Mar 19, 2010 8:00 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo sizes
>
>
>Here's a differing viewpoint regarding photo sizes:
>
>I LIKE the big photos.
>Personally, I'm always disappointed when the photo attachments are so small that
I can't make out details. I know that a few years ago, there were still a few
guys with dial-up internet connections who were constantly complaining about
how long it would take to download the messages that had decent sized photos
attached - but I don't think there are too many people still on dial-up. My home
email is pretty basic (through my phone line) and I can send and receive attachments
up to 10 Megs. I think that the size limit prescribed by Matronics
is reasonable (2 Meg maximum), in today's world.
>So I say, keep the big photos coming - especially like those great shots of Douwe's
new plane, and the close-up details of Mike's pitot lines. Each of those
shots were worth at least 1000 proverbial words.
>
>Bill C.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290892#290892
>
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
What's GPS?
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Doug-that stands for getting pretty stupid:)
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | a serious response: Handheld GPS |
I use a simple Garmin Pilot III GPS since it doesn't draw enough current to warrant
a
supplemental battery like the larger and/or color screens do.
I'm old school too Greg for the most part with regard to things like GPS and cell
phones.
(use a Tracphone only when necessary) I've always been a hold out on things like
getting
answering machines, gps, and cell phones.
For many years I went everywhere NORDO but finally broke down and bought a handheld
Icom A-4
mostly to just hear where the other guys in the pattern are. I usually just announce
my
arrival with a few puffs of smoke.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 cabane length |
| From: | Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net> |
Tim,
I think 1" has been working out about right for Piet guys. The GN-1 is sort of
a different animal -- the plans, depending on which ones you have, all give different
lengths that result in insufficient, or negative a.o.i. The way the
spars and fittings are configured (i.e. equal height at the spar attach fittings
does not give you zero a.o.i.). This has come up a couple of times among
GN-1 builders in the past -- but no consensus. We know the plans give a crappy
result, so every man for himself.
Regards,
Tom
On Mar 18, 2010, at 11:10 AM, Tim Willis wrote:
>
> Tom, isn't the "standard" to build with the aft cabanes 1" shorter?
> Tim in central TX
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net>
>> Sent: Mar 18, 2010 8:47 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 cabane length
>>
>>
>> Guys,
>> If you build cabane length to the CAD or previous plans you will end up with
zero or minus angle of incidence (from mean cord line). The plane will fly tail
low (as reported) with added trim drag and you won't be able to touch down
at stall speed with out hitting the tail wheel first. I physically measured
the angle of my center section to confirm 1.5 degree a.o.i. with the aft struts
1" shorter.
>> Tom Bernie
>> Gloucester Mass
>> N666TB
>>
>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 6:28 AM, skellytown flyer wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Jon I expect you will get many answers on that.I like you bought my project
and the cabanes were done. I believe DJ made them both longer to help with entry
and with more angle of attack to help the fuselage fly more level since he
thought many of the planes flew in a tail low attitude.naturally it flies with
the wing at the right angle to provide the needed lift and your fuselage angle
is determined by that. so he reasoned that having slightly longer front cabanes
would level the fuse in flight.at least that's what I remember him telling
me.does that make sense or help? I'm currently trying to finish up the cowling
so I can start final assembly. Where are you located?Raymond. Texas panhandle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290729#290729
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: a serious response: Handheld GPS |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I'm not flying my Piet yet (nowhere close), but I have, and intend to use, a Garmin
GPSMAP 195 and an Icom IC-A22 NAVCOM. Of course I won't need the GPS unless
I'm flying cross country. Even then I don't NEED it, but it sure is nice
to just fly direct, following the CDI. As for the radio, it is such a small package,
and offers so much added safety that I can't really consider NOT using
it. I also hope to teach my son to fly in the Piet... so he will need to learn
to use the radio, and I'm sure we will appreciate the intercom.
I have a great view of the approach to rwy 17 from my hangar, where I see non-radio
guys cutting off people on final all the time. I'm not trying to include
everyone in that comment. Heck, there may be days that I just want to fly around
the patch without my headset on, but just yesterday I saw one of our breezy
fliers cut off two aircraft (at different times) that were well established
on final. For starters he took the active and departed in front of one, and
later he flew a short pattern and turned final right in front of another that
was already established on final and was flying a proper pattern. I know all
of the people involved and I imagine Mr. Breezy will hear about it. I'm aware
that these things just happen occasionally, but we have students flying at our
field, and I regularly see people stop by that are not from our field (for fuel,
visit, etc.) and they probably don't know (nor do they expect to see) Mr.
Breezy cutting in underneath them. We all need to work on our scan to be safe,
but I also think this particular pilot's vision may improve if he had something
on his ears. :)
Anyhow, I'm not trying to rant as much as I am trying to promote a couple of useful
widgets. Especially the radio. As stated above, the IC-A22 is a NAVCOM,
so I could navigate with it using VOR stations, which is actually pretty fun.
A lot of bang for the buck in a modern day handheld.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290915#290915
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Very cool! I am going to the hangar RIGHT NOW to make some wood shavings.
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290917#290917
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| From: | "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com> |
I'd also prefer smaller ones. You can always post them in one of the free
photo sites and provide us with a link, after all.
Thanks for the beautiful pictures anyway! Real pretty airplane, with the
perfect color scheme.
David Paule
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| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the link, makes me want to go read my copy of The Pietenpol
Story again.
rick
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 7:40 PM, dwilson wrote:
>
> Three very good articles...
>
> http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/The-Pride-of-Cherry-Grove.html
>
>
> dwilson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290812#290812
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: one man's suggestion for not bending any tubing |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Mike
I must have gotten the leading edge pitot tube idea from you, one
question, did you glue the stainless tube to your leading edge? Or is
it removable?
thanks
rick
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
> Richard,
>
>
> I ended up simply sticking a piece of stainless steel tubing thru a hole
> in the leading edge of my wing and connecting
>
> it inside the wing with poly tubing and fittings from Wicks sold for the
> purpose of being used in routing airspeed and
>
> pitot/static lines. Dont bother running static linesyou dont need
> them in an open cockpit airplane. Just plug the
>
> ASI and altimeter static ports with a pipe plug and drill a tiny hole in the
> plug to let the instrument vent slightly. Whala.
>
>
> Also to hide my air speed line coming down from the inside of the wing I
> just ran it down the inside of the right rear cabane
>
> strut into the instrument panel bay.
>
>
> We dont need to bend no stinking tubing !!! We aint got no stinking
> tubing.
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 cabane length |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
I have a copy of the newer CAD version of the GN-1 plans, the bottom
bolt to top bolt centerline measurements are 23 1/4" front and 23 1/2"
rear.
rick
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 8:55 PM, coxwelljon wrote:
>
>
> timothywillis(at)earthlin wrote:
>> Tom, isn't the "standard" to build with the aft cabanes 1" shorter?
>> Tim in central TX
>>a
>>
>> --
>
> Tim,
>
> I think that is the norm for the Piet. but the GN-1 has the spars relocated and
thus the attachment hardware relocated, and with the larger radius leading
edge which adjusts the leading edge end of the mean aerodynamic chord upward.
All of these slight changes add up to 3/8" less on the GN-1. Perhaps I am splitting
too many hairs here and the actual angle of incidence may not be that critical.
Maybe several with flying GN-1's could chime in here.
>
> Jon in central NY
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290820#290820
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Wow, beautiful, especially the wood struts and cabanes and the paint
job. What kind of paint did you use? (I liked the large pictures).
rick
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 4:57 AM, wrote:
> This message is from Douwe Blumberg.
>
>
> Went to the strip today, which is really a slice of paradise. 3100' of
> beautiful smooth grass, with no buildings on either side and NO traffic
> whatsover. God is good!!!
>
> Hooked everything back up after having removed the wings for transport, gave
> it a good bath and fiddled with the mixture control a little and then we
> were off for some taxi-testing. Everything worked well, I ever got the tail
> up at a nice slow speed, thanks to a good breeze coming straight down the
> runway.
>
> Seemed rather surreal after all this time. The pictures are helping me
> believe it is almost there!
>
> Douwe
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 cabane length |
| From: | Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net> |
Tim,
I know that -- I built my GN-1 from CAD plans. The plans are wrong and that's
not the only thing in the plans you have to watch out for.
Tom
On Mar 19, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
>
> I have a copy of the newer CAD version of the GN-1 plans, the bottom
> bolt to top bolt centerline measurements are 23 1/4" front and 23 1/2"
> rear.
>
> rick
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 8:55 PM, coxwelljon wrote:
>>
>>
>> timothywillis(at)earthlin wrote:
>>> Tom, isn't the "standard" to build with the aft cabanes 1" shorter?
>>> Tim in central TX
>>> a
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Tim,
>>
>> I think that is the norm for the Piet. but the GN-1 has the spars relocated
and thus the attachment hardware relocated, and with the larger radius leading
edge which adjusts the leading edge end of the mean aerodynamic chord upward.
All of these slight changes add up to 3/8" less on the GN-1. Perhaps I am splitting
too many hairs here and the actual angle of incidence may not be that
critical. Maybe several with flying GN-1's could chime in here.
>>
>> Jon in central NY
>>
>> --------
>> Jon Coxwell
>> GN-1 Builder
>> Recycle and preserve the planet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290820#290820
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage. How do I treat
the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Good question Gardiner, was looking for an answer to that question
last week. Have a wine cork from a nice 2005 Shiraz on the end of a
stainless welding rod (to be my sole fuel gauge) and couldn't find a
thing in any of the 4 Bingelis books (as far as treating the cork with
anything). Have heard of people coating them with varnish, and have
seen auto fuel tank floats used in place of cork, any ideas would be
appreciated.
Rick
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:05 PM, airlion wrote:
>
> I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage. How do I
treat the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
Hey Gardiner,
I coated ours in regular old T-88. No problems so far, but I only use avgas.
Jeff
>
>I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage.
>How do I treat the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| From: | H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com> |
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | just another idea and concept to ponder |
Hello good people.....
A new idea and concept for the group to ponder.
As we all know and have recognized we all share a common bond as fellow
lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected through the design genius of
Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the aeroplane. We as a
collection of builders have at our disposal some, many and all of the requisite
skill levels to construct such a machine with little assistance or
intervention from the outside world.
The there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be lacking in
skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a reality. From prints
to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has a skill set that is good in
some areas and not so good in others. Knowing these basic tenants I am
curious as to who or what builders would welcome the talents of other builders
equipped with tools and skills would be interested in having a group of
builders show up at their hanger, barn, basement or garage for a weekend build
utilizing all the skills of the people interested in lending a hand to
accomplish a number of tasks to get the project going bring the tools to get
the certain aspects completed. Woodworkers, metal workers, mechanical
workers and the like showing up to get a build from a stalled stage to a more
accomplished state of being a Pietenpol.
I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skills and
resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to participate in
building another Piet as one group. The other group would be a builder or would
be
builder who in need of assistance in advancing their project to a next or
greater level of completion.
This again is but another concept for consideration. For example I have
both tools not all that I need but certainly more than other that are
portable, a trailer to transport them and no skills to speak of. I also have
lodging as in a popup/tent camper to bring to a build site for a few days to help
another builder. There are others with tools and skills that may also be
portable.
Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more people who would be
willing to share their time and expertise to get another build moving and
another builder to a next level of completion.
I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week end to
help and how many would be interested in receiving those willing to help.
Before I go any further with this concept it would be nice to know if there
is any interest at all in helping or being helped.
Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for
identification purposes. I know how this works.
Helpers bring tools and skills and resources as needed helped provide a
keg on tap burgers and a place for a fire and I think we are cooking with
gas!
What say you?
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Rick, I tried a cork the size of a wine cork on a 1/8in welding rod and it was
not enough to float it. Bigger cork maybe? Cheers, Gardiner
________________________________
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 7:58:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float
I remember seeing someone use a ping pong ball in the past ;should be in th archives
________________________________
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 7:38:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float
Good question Gardiner, was looking for an answer to that question
last week. Have a wine cork from a nice 2005 Shiraz on the end of a
stainless welding rod (to be my sole fuel gauge) and couldn't find a
thing in any of the 4 Bingelis books (as far as treating the cork with
anything). Have heard of people coating them with varnish, and have
seen auto fuel tank floats used in place of cork, any ideas would be
appreciated.
Rick
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:05 PM, airlion wrote:
>
> I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage. How do I
treat the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of phe many List utilities such as List
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.=====================
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Shellac?
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 19, 2010, at 6:05 PM, airlion wrote:
>
> I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage.
> How do I treat the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: puffs of smoke |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
[Laughing]
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
I think at one time Shellac was used.but with the ever changing automotive fuels
I wouldn't bet anything would stand up long term.but if you stay with avgas
it might-and maybe 2 floats in line could work-I'm still looking for a good round
brass float to try on mine. Raymond
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: a serious response: Handheld GPS On the Cheap |
I am one CSOB (Cheap Son Of a Beech) I fly a VFR only 1948 Beechcraft Bonanza.
Other than a compas and map My Vtail only has a VOR for navigation.
Currently I use two handhelds in that Bonanaza. One is a handheld Magellan Explorist
200. It is a hiking GPS, the database has airports as well. It shows a moving
map with major roads, towns by name and bodies of water. It has a light
function. You can also set it up on a navigation screen that has a Compass rose
with your heading and the bearing direct to your destination. You can put in
multiple waypoints. Show ETA, ETE, GS, Bearing, HEading and distance traveled.
Uses 2 AA batteries. Cost new on amazon is about $130. It has a small screen
for the map but plenty big for the navigation screen
The other GPS is the Garmin NUVI 370. It is the one I bought for my wife to get
around San Antonio. She hates driving in towns. I put it on Off Road function
and It gives me a direct to arrow. It also has airports in the database. It also
shows the roads (in detail), the towns, rivers, golf courses, parks, Airports
and other detail. It plugs into my cigar lighter, though it has a pretty robust
battery. Cost about $350
I set the Garmin on Map page and the Magellan on Navigation page. Then I follow
with the map. Using the VOR just to keep current with it.
Anyone should be able to find a GPS that does this much at least as cheap.
Just an Idea. no Aviation database but it tell you where north is.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Friday, March 19, 2010 9:47
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a serious response: Handheld GPS
>
> I'm not flying my Piet yet (nowhere close), but I have, and intend to use, a
Garmin GPSMAP 195 and an Icom IC-A22 NAVCOM. Of course
> I won't need the GPS unless I'm flying cross country. Even then I
> don't NEED it, but it sure is nice to just fly direct, following
> the CDI. As for the radio, it is such a small package, and offers
> so much added safety that I can't really consider NOT using it. I
> also hope to teach my son to fly in the Piet... so he will need to
> learn to use the radio, and I'm sure we will appreciate the intercom.
>
> I have a great view of the approach to rwy 17 from my hangar,
> where I see non-radio guys cutting off people on final all the
> time. I'm not trying to include everyone in that comment. Heck,
> there may be days that I just want to fly around the patch without
> my headset on, but just yesterday I saw one of our breezy fliers
> cut off two aircraft (at different times) that were well
> established on final. For starters he took the active and
> departed in front of one, and later he flew a short pattern and
> turned final right in front of another that was already
> established on final and was flying a proper pattern. I know all
> of the people involved and I imagine Mr. Breezy will hear about
> it. I'm aware that these things just happen occasionally, but we
> have students flying at our field, and I regularly see people stop
> by that are not from our field (for fuel, visit, etc.) and they
> probably don't know (nor do they expect to see) Mr. Breezy cutting
> in underneath them. We all need to !
> work on our scan to be safe, but I also think this particular
> pilot's vision may improve if he had something on his ears. :)
>
> Anyhow, I'm not trying to rant as much as I am trying to promote a
> couple of useful widgets. Especially the radio. As stated above,
> the IC-A22 is a NAVCOM, so I could navigate with it using VOR
> stations, which is actually pretty fun. A lot of bang for the
> buck in a modern day handheld.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290915#290915
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
I made a float out of fishing rod handle cork rings glued together, and
coated the whole thing with T-88, and then with Stits PolyFiber Epoxy
Varnish. Works great. The fishing rod cork rings can be purchased from any
company that sells rod building supplies. I think I got mine from Hook &
Hackle: http://www.hookhack.com/
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float
Rick, I tried a cork the size of a wine cork on a 1/8in welding rod and it
was not enough to float it. Bigger cork maybe? Cheers, Gardiner
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From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 7:58:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float
I remember seeing someone use a ping pong ball in the past ;should be in th
archives
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From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 7:38:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float
Good question Gardiner, was looking for an answer to that question
last week. Have a wine cork from a nice 2005 Shiraz on the end of a
stainless welding rod (to be my sole fuel gauge) and couldn't find a
thing in any of the 4 Bingelis books (as far as treating the cork with
anything). Have heard of people coating them with varnish, and have
seen auto fuel tank floats used in place of cork, any ideas would be
appreciated.
Rick
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:05 PM, airlion wrote:
>
> I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage. How do
I treat the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of phe many List utilities such as List >
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://www.=====================
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| From: | "bryan green" <lgreen1(at)sc.rr.com> |
Just something to think about. The more systems you have the more preceived
problems you have to solve. How much redundantcy do you really need on a
simple plane and when does that plane become complicated?
JMHO if you have an electronic fuel gauge that is backup for a stick fuel
tester watch and the knowlege of your fuel burn per hour plus reserve. The
best backup fuel guage would be a sight glass. I am not trying to start
anything just start a thought process.
"Trusting any fuel gauge should only be done in the pattern for dead stick
practice"
Bryan Green
Elgin SC
----- Original Message -----
From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 8:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cork float
>
>
> I think at one time Shellac was used.but with the ever changing automotive
> fuels I wouldn't bet anything would stand up long term.but if you stay
> with avgas it might-and maybe 2 floats in line could work-I'm still
> looking for a good round brass float to try on mine. Raymond
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290986#290986
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 cabane length |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
at7000ft wrote:
> I have a copy of the newer CAD version of the GN-1 plans, the bottom
> bolt to top bolt centerline measurements are 23 1/4" front and 23 1/2"
> rear.
>
> rick
>
>
Rick and others,
It looks like the concensus for Piet plans is 1" longer for the front. I will
have to do some looking at my Piet plans (I have both Piet and GN-1 drawings)
and see what 1" does as far as the angle of incidence. I will report back. Seems
like with a few GN-1 builders out there it would be good to settle this as
there is no support from Don Grega.
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey,
What would be a good set up to allow pilot and passenger to talk through
their headsets. Is all I need two headsets, a battery powered intercom unit
and two push to talk adaptors? I prefer push to talk as they just seem less
finnicky in an open cockpit enviornment.
Thanks
Douwe
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| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Gardnier.
I use a cork just to fit through the filler, about 2 inches long, with a SS wire
pushed through, and bent 120 degree, pushed back into the cork.
Dip 5 or more times in Shellac.
Remove when not flying, cap with a vent is to keep fuel clean when not flying.
I have used this construction in Piets since 1965, running 90 % on auto gas and
10 % 100 low lead. Keep the SS wire small dia.
Still working well.
Pieti Lowell
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
Douwe,
We have this set-up in our Piet. It works with several different
headsets. We've been very, very happy with the rig. I'll check the
manufacturers of of the intercom and PTT switch when I go out
tomorrow. Too long since installed from me to remember the company
names.
J
>
>
>Hey,
>
>What would be a good set up to allow pilot and passenger to talk through
>their headsets. Is all I need two headsets, a battery powered intercom unit
>and two push to talk adaptors? I prefer push to talk as they just seem less
>finnicky in an open cockpit enviornment.
>
>Thanks
>
>Douwe
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
Check out Lynx headsets at:
http://www.easyflight.com/price/sr1ss.html
I have no experience with them but they are designed for open cockpit / high
noise enviroments. I have heard reports that they work well.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 10:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: intercom
>
>
> Hey,
>
> What would be a good set up to allow pilot and passenger to talk through
> their headsets. Is all I need two headsets, a battery powered intercom
> unit
> and two push to talk adaptors? I prefer push to talk as they just seem
> less
> finnicky in an open cockpit enviornment.
>
> Thanks
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
luther b green wrote:
> Just something to think about. The more systems you have the more preceived
> problems you have to solve. How much redundantcy do you really need on a
> simple plane and when does that plane become complicated?
> JMHO if you have an electronic fuel gauge that is backup for a stick fuel
> tester watch and the knowlege of your fuel burn per hour plus reserve. The
> best backup fuel guage would be a sight glass. I am not trying to start
> anything just start a thought process.
>
> "Trusting any fuel gauge should only be done in the pattern for dead stick
> practice"
> Bryan Green
> Elgin SC
> ---
Something else to think about, there was a recent article in the EAA ultra light online newsletter. http://www.eaa.org/lightplaneworld/articles/1003_warning.asp A fellow fried his rotax engine because of a fiberglass and epoxy gas tank. T88 is epoxy and may be subject to deterioration by the ethanol blend fuels. I am not recommending the use of ethanol but it could end up in a fuel tank by mistake for someone who uses auto fuel. cork is a natural material and doesn't really absorb liquid. Does it need to be sealed? I would put a cork in a can of gas and let it sit for some days and see what happens.
Jon
Adirondack Park NY
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
A buddy of mine has a motorcycle battery that he recharges and uses for his handheld
radio.
Blue Skies,
Steve d
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Friday, March 19, 2010 22:04
Subject: Pietenpol-List: intercom
>
> Hey,
>
> What would be a good set up to allow pilot and passenger to talk through
> their headsets. Is all I need two headsets, a battery powered intercom unit
> and two push to talk adaptors? I prefer push to talk as they just seem less
> finnicky in an open cockpit enviornment.
>
> Thanks
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
Douwe,
I misspoke. We do not have PTT switches in both cockpits. We don't
need it. We have a battery-powered intercom with good volume and
squelch controls. I'll collect information on the parts tomorrow and
post.
Jeff
>
>
>Hey,
>
>What would be a good set up to allow pilot and passenger to talk through
>their headsets. Is all I need two headsets, a battery powered intercom unit
>and two push to talk adaptors? I prefer push to talk as they just seem less
>finnicky in an open cockpit enviornment.
>
>Thanks
>
>Douwe
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Sounds like a Pietenpol for Humanity project. Something to think about. I think
a workshop experience like W. Wynne does with his Corvair engines would be
of interest. I kind of like to work by myself and have most of the tools I need,
but would be interested in weekend workshop devoted to the various types of
construction needed for a Piet or GN-1. A series of workshops to cover most
of the processes. Might be helpful to work with a local EAA chapter.
Jon
Adirondack Park, NY
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
There is a product called Quick Polly. It works well on floats. I have us
ed it several times. It is a 2 part mix epoxy and cures in about 10 minute
s. It has the viscosity of paint thinner and soaks in a bit. The instucti
ons that came with the packaging said it is good for sealing gas tanks. I
don't have the source at the monent but could look it up on the internet li
ke I did to find it the last time. Good luck Vic MX414MV
> Date: Fri=2C 19 Mar 2010 16:05:50 -0700
> From: airlion(at)bellsouth.net
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: cork float
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage. How d
o I treat the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner
>
>
>
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| From: | Jim <jimboyer(at)hughes.net> |
HI Rick and all,
I have been told to brush shellac over the cork; a couple of coats and it is not
bothered by the fuel.
Plan on doing that when I finish my tank so don't know for sure. You can get shellac
from Woodcraft and probably some paint stores.
Jim
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
Mar 19, 2010 04:42:32 PM, pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com wrote:
Good question Gardiner, was looking for an answer to that question
last week. Have a wine cork from a nice 2005 Shiraz on the end of a
stainless welding rod (to be my sole fuel gauge) and couldn't find a
thing in any of the 4 Bingelis books (as far as treating the cork with
anything). Have heard of people coating them with varnish, and have
seen auto fuel tank floats used in place of cork, any ideas would be
appreciated.
Rick
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:05 PM, airlion wrote:
>
> I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage. How do I
treat the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Don't forget that the solvent that makes shellac liquid is alcohol,
preferably
grain alky. So be very careful with auto fuel.
http://antiquerestorers.com/Articles/jeff/shellac.htm
I had two other really good shellac sites but one got blowed up real good
when Geocities melted down and the other just dissappeared!
Clif
>
> HI Rick and all,
> I have been told to brush shellac over the cork; a couple of coats and it
> is not bothered by the fuel.
> Jim
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
If you take the photo at the highest resolution on your camera then each
pixel blob is really small. When you reduce that image you still have
really small pixels. On the other hand, taking the pic with low resolution
means they are quite large.
This means that magnifying the image will give a clearer pic to a higher
magnification on the former than it will on the latter.
My images all start out at 1 to 1.5 meg. I reduce that to 90-120 range
to send to the list. Although sometimes I do forget. :-)
Clif
>
> I'm not on dial-up; it's DSL. What I am on is a web-mail server with
> limited buffer space for each user. I'm a visual guy, and a picture is
> worth a thousand words to me also. >
> I'm not trying to cause any dissention amongst the ranks. If I'm the only
> one who cares, I'll sit down ahd shut up.
>
> Blue skies.
>
> Jim
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| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net> |
David Clark Model H5030 is sound powered. No boxes. Just a coax between the two.
I have several years experience with them in a noisy 100-110db work area(14,000
HP engine room). The mouthpiece can be stuffed with cotton and just about
totally eliminate the background noise. If you are just wanting intercom it can't
be beat...at least 20 years without failure.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "bryan green" <lgreen1(at)sc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 cabane length |
My cabanes need rebuilding but are measurable and I will do that and post
results today sometime. The picture of mine in flight looks level to me so I
will keep the length to start with. I'll post the picture also so you guys
can take a look.
Bryan Green
Elgin SC
GN-1 rebuilding
----- Original Message -----
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 10:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 cabane length
>
>
>
> at7000ft wrote:
>> I have a copy of the newer CAD version of the GN-1 plans, the bottom
>> bolt to top bolt centerline measurements are 23 1/4" front and 23 1/2"
>> rear.
>>
>> rick
>>
>>
>
>
> Rick and others,
>
> It looks like the concensus for Piet plans is 1" longer for the front. I
> will have to do some looking at my Piet plans (I have both Piet and GN-1
> drawings) and see what 1" does as far as the angle of incidence. I will
> report back. Seems like with a few GN-1 builders out there it would be
> good to settle this as there is no support from Don Grega.
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290993#290993
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "bryan green" <lgreen1(at)sc.rr.com> |
My intercom box is from Comtronics and has worked well for years with good
mike muffs.
Bryan Green
Elgin SC
GN-1 rebuilding
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 6:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: intercom
>
> David Clark Model H5030 is sound powered. No boxes. Just a coax between
> the two. I have several years experience with them in a noisy 100-110db
> work area(14,000 HP engine room). The mouthpiece can be stuffed with
> cotton and just about totally eliminate the background noise. If you are
> just wanting intercom it can't be beat...at least 20 years without
> failure.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> Ribs and tailfeathers done
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291020#291020
>
>
>
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| From: | "bryan green" <lgreen1(at)sc.rr.com> |
Mine are all 23.5" hole to hole centers, but I have no idea about the
AOI until I set the center section back up and measure.
Bryan Green
Elgin SC
GN-1 rebuilding
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| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
I'd be interested in something like this, but not for a year or
two. My two big anxiety areas are metalwork in general, and setting
up & trammeling the wings. Within the year I will have moved my
project into a more or less dedicated 24 x 30' workspace right at my
house & I expect the pace tpick up quite a bit at that time.
I've actually been hoping to find someone locally who would like to
come in as a partner on my project, because I think it's a more
sustainable use of resources to share a plane, and i also think the
build process would be more fun, but no luck so far.
Kip Gardner
On Mar 19, 2010, at 8:00 PM, AMsafetyC(at)aol.com wrote:
> Hello good people.....
>
> A new idea and concept for the group to ponder.
>
> As we all know and have recognized we all share a common bond as
> fellow lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected through the
> design genius of Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the
> aeroplane. We as a collection of builders have at our disposal
> some, many and all of the requisite skill levels to construct such
> a machine with little assistance or intervention from the outside
> world.
>
> The there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be
> lacking in skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a
> reality. From prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has
> a skill set that is good in some areas and not so good in others.
> Knowing these basic tenants I am curious as to who or what builders
> would welcome the talents of other builders equipped with tools and
> skills would be interested in having a group of builders show up at
> their hanger, barn, basement or garage for a weekend build
> utilizing all the skills of the people interested in lending a hand
> to accomplish a number of tasks to get the project going bring the
> tools to get the certain aspects completed. Woodworkers, metal
> workers, mechanical workers and the like showing up to get a build
> from a stalled stage to a more accomplished state of being a
> Pietenpol.
>
> I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skills and
> resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to
> participate in building another Piet as one group. The other group
> would be a builder or would be builder who in need of assistance in
> advancing their project to a next or greater level of completion.
>
> This again is but another concept for consideration. For example I
> have both tools not all that I need but certainly more than other
> that are portable, a trailer to transport them and no skills to
> speak of. I also have lodging as in a popup/tent camper to bring to
> a build site for a few days to help another builder. There are
> others with tools and skills that may also be portable.
>
> Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more people who would
> be willing to share their time and expertise to get another build
> moving and another builder to a next level of completion.
>
> I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week
> end to help and how many would be interested in receiving those
> willing to help.
>
> Before I go any further with this concept it would be nice to know
> if there is any interest at all in helping or being helped.
>
> Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for
> identification purposes. I know how this works.
>
> Helpers bring tools and skills and resources as needed helped
> provide a keg on tap burgers and a place for a fire and I think we
> are cooking with gas!
>
> What say you?
>
>
> John
>
>
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| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
Don't use Cork.
I used a '65 Ford Mustang Fuel float
If the picture does not show, Google it, you will see a light copper float
with a provision to wrap around a wire
It is maintenace free, requires no paint, stands up to any fuel and fits
through a standard fuel filler neck
Hans
NX15KV
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| From: | <r.r.hall(at)cox.net> |
DO NOT USE SHELLAC. It is dissolved by alcohol and if you ever happened to use
auto fuel it may dissolve and redeposit itself someplace else.
---- Ryan Mueller wrote:
>
> Shellac?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 19, 2010, at 6:05 PM, airlion wrote:
>
> >
> > I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage.
> > How do I treat the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Sorry for the big pictures, didn't intend to cause anybody problems.
Thanks for the kudos, they weren't why I sent the pics, but they are
appreciated. Once she was together and clean at an actual airfield, it just
seemd like a formal photo shoot was the closing of one chapter, and getting
ready to open the next.
Someone asked about paint, I used regular old dope for everything except the
logo and the gold edging. I used "one-shot" sign paint for painting the
logo and edging. It's all hand painted, and when you get close, you can
tell. But I wanted it to look like a couple of kids put it together in
1933.
Hopefully the weather will give Lowell a couple of days window to get down
here and do the honors.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the info Clif, although several people have had no problems
with shellac and auto fuel this article mentions in several places the
solubility of shellac in ethanol. Possibly just coating the cork with
T-88 is the best way to go.
"It is approved by the FDA as a food safe coating when dissolved in
pure ethanol (not denatured)."
rick
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Clif Dawson wrote:
>
> Don't forget that the solvent that makes shellac liquid is alcohol,
> preferably
> grain alky. So be very careful with auto fuel.
>
> http://antiquerestorers.com/Articles/jeff/shellac.htm
>
> I had two other really good shellac sites but one got blowed up real good
> when Geocities melted down and the other just dissappeared!
>
> Clif
>
>>
>> HI Rick and all,
>> I have been told to brush shellac over the cork; a couple of coats and it
>> is not bothered by the fuel.
>> Jim
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
So the only reason you would need an intercom box and a push to talk
button is if you want to talk with a passenger and occasionally talk
on the com radio?
rick
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 4:38 AM, Jerry Dotson wrote:
>
> David Clark Model H5030 is sound powered. No boxes. Just a coax between the two.
I have several years experience with them in a noisy 100-110db work area(14,000
HP engine room). The mouthpiece can be stuffed with cotton and just about
totally eliminate the background noise. If you are just wanting intercom it
can't be beat...at least 20 years without failure.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> Ribs and tailfeathers done
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291020#291020
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <r.r.hall(at)cox.net> |
I would suggest that you take whatever you are considering using, shellac,
epoxy or whatever, and coat something with it
then seal it in a container of gasoline and wait a week then check it for d
eterioration. I was wondering if maybe you could
make one out of large diameter copper pipe with caps soldered on the ends.
Just an idea.
---- Jack Phillips wrote:
>
I made a float out of fishing rod handlecork rings glued together, and coat
ed the whole thing with T-88, and then withStits PolyFiber Epoxy Varnish.
=C2- Works great.=C2- The fishing rod corkrings can be purchased from a
ny company that sells rod building supplies.=C2-I think I got mine from H
ook & Hackle:=C2- http://www.hookhack.com/
=C2-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
=C2-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 8:11PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corkfloat
=C2-
Rick, I tried a cork the size of a wine cork on a 1/8inwelding rod and it w
as not enough to float it. Bigger cork maybe? Cheers,Gardiner
=C2-
From: H RULE<harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 7:58:56PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corkfloat
I=C2-remember seeing someone use a ping pong ball in the past ;shouldbe i
n th archives
=C2-
From: RickHolland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 7:38:43PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corkfloat
Good question Gardiner, was looking for an answer to that question
last week. Have a wine cork from a nice 2005 Shiraz on the end of a
stainless welding rod (to be my sole fuel gauge) and couldn't find a
thing in any of the 4 Bingelis books (as far as treating the cork with
anything). Have heard of people coating them with varnish, and have
seen auto fuel tank floats used in place of cork, any ideas would be
appreciated.
Rick
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:05 PM, airlion wrote:
>
> I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage. How d
oI treat the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of phe many List utilities such as List > http://www.mat
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tronics.com/contribution| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Here's a link to a retailer for the float Hans is referring to (.to which
Hans is referring): http://johnsmustang.com/Parts/details-5899.html
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
hvandervoo(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: cork float
FLOAT-FUEL TANK SENDING UNIT
<http://johnsmustang.com/pictures/classic_mustang/unsorted/200705/c0az-9202-
b.jpg>
Don't use Cork.
I used a '65 Ford Mustang Fuel float
If the picture does not show, Google it, you will see a light copper float
with a provision to wrap around a wire
It is maintenace free, requires no paint, stands up to any fuel and fits
through a standard fuel filler neck
Hans
NX15KV
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you again for your sound advise Hans, for only $5.95 I will never have
to worry about alcohol dissolving my shellaced or epoxyied or varnished
cork, or pieces of cork clogging my fuel filter:
http://www.superiormustangparts.com/proddetail.asp?prod=C0AZ-9202-B
The only advantage of a cork float to a brass float I can think of is you
don't have to worry about a cork float getting a pin hole and filling with
fuel. But as someone already mentioned just keep an extra unvented fuel cap
around and swap caps after each flight, it will be obvious if a leak
develops.
rick
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 8:18 AM, wrote:
> [image: FLOAT-FUEL TANK SENDING UNIT]
>
> Don't use Cork.
>
> I used a '65 Ford Mustang Fuel float
>
> If the picture does not show, Google it, you will see a light copper float
> with a provision to wrap around a wire
>
> It is maintenace free, requires no paint, stands up to any fuel and fits
> through a standard fuel filler neck
>
> Hans
>
> NX15KV
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com> |
Had a Gosport system - look it up - when I learned aerobatics in a Stearman.
Worked quite well. No batteries or black boxes or expensive headsets or wind
noise.
"Old technology for old airplanes."
David Paule
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | best fuel float ever |
For both my projects a fellow builder/friend/glider instructor, made my
fuel floats for me.
A standard ping pong ball, drilled and epoxied to a SS wire.
(epozy was from the Hardware store,,,Epoweld, or something like that)
Then I drilled the cap and soldered in a vertical brass tube from the
hobbie store.
They never failed me. and has been soaking in gas since 2002.
sorry for the fuzzy pics
walt evans
NX140DL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Once again "those amazing Continentals" |
This morning was nice and warm, so went to the field to start up my
Piet.
Brought it outside, primed it 1 1/2 times pulled thru 6 blades with the
mags off,
left meg (impulse) on , first pull it was running.
Oil pressure came right up and it sat there and purred for 10 minutes.
What a beautiful engine. It was originally built somewhere in the early
40's (by the date etchings on the cyl. skirts)
And here over 65 years later, it runs like a champ.
Amazing
walt evans
NX140DL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Or for less money after shipping:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-1973-FORD-MUSTANG-COUGAR-FUEL-SENDING-U
NIT-FLOAT_W0QQitemZ360239831852QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Ac
cessories?hash=item53dff79b2c
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> Here=92s a link to a retailer for the float Hans is referring to (=85to
which
> Hans is referring): http://johnsmustang.com/Parts/details-5899.html
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (18 ribs down=85)
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *
> hvandervoo(at)aol.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 20, 2010 7:18 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: cork float
>
>
> [image: FLOAT-FUEL TANK SENDING UNIT]
>
>
> Don't use Cork.
>
>
> I used a '65 Ford Mustang Fuel float
>
>
> If the picture does not show, Google it, you will see a light copper floa
t
> with a provision to wrap around a wire
>
>
> It is maintenace free, requires no paint, stands up to any fuel and fits
> through a standard fuel filler neck
>
>
> Hans
>
>
> NX15KV
>
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>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 cabane length |
Jon,
Felix the GN-1 has both cabane lengths front and rear 22.75". The plane
flies just like a Piet(longerons level and elevator just down). The plane
flies and lands great, the only thing is when I do a full stall landing the
tailwheel always hits first. This is not a real problem as it does not
cause a bounce, but I wish there was higher AOA at the 3-point attitude.
Because of this I am using a smaller tailwheel on the Piet I am building.
If I were building a Grega I would make the front cabane an inch longer.
Skip
>
> It looks like the concensus for Piet plans is 1" longer for the front. I
will have to do some looking at my Piet plans (I have both Piet and GN-1
drawings) and see what 1" does as far as the angle of incidence. I will
report back. Seems like with a few GN-1 builders out there it would be
good to settle this as there is no support from Don Grega.
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I'm not making a recommendation... I am just curious if anyone is using one of
these. I have and PSEngineering AeroComIII. It is a microprocessor controlled
device that samples the ambient noise and adjusts the VOX threshold automatically.
It works great everywhere I've used it, but I am wondering if it is capable
of doing this in an open cockpit.
Anyone have experience with this unit?
--------
Mark - working on wings
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291065#291065
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com> |
Can anyone tell me how to find or see the photos associated with these mess
ages are located?- As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words and i
sure would like to be able to see all the fine examples of Piet workmanshi
p contained here. I'm starting my Piet build This April and I want to build
on the best of the experience all of you have to offer.
Thanks, first timer
Jeff Wilson
=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Welcome Jeff. If you are getting the list real-time via email they
should be attached to the message. If you are getting the digest they
won't be, but you can access the list via the web-based forum and they
should be in the messages there:
http://forum.matronics.com
Then scroll down to find the Pietenpol list. You can also find the
Matronics list archives at:
http://www.matronics.com/search
Read the instructions on how best to construct your search, as that
will ensure you can find what you are looking for. There is a lot of
information in the archives.
Have a good day,
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 20, 2010, at 2:45 PM, jeff wilson wrote:
> Can anyone tell me how to find or see the photos associated with
> these messages are located? As they say, a picture is worth a
> thousand words and i sure would like to be able to see all the fine
> examples of Piet workmanship contained here. I'm starting my Piet
> build This April and I want to build on the best of the experience
> all of you have to offer.
>
> Thanks, first timer
> Jeff Wilson
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | simple 1/4" stainless tubing for airspeed pitot tube |
Rick, group-- I used some 5 minute epoxy in my leading edge hole to secure my
pitot tube figuring if I ever bent it or needed to remove it I could just take
a pair of vise grips or pliers and twist it radially to break the bond.
I slid the tubing into the hole then lathered a small section w/ a little epoxy
honey then slid that forward twisting around to spread the epoxy a little and let
cure.
All tubing from that 1/4" pitot tube to the air speed indicator is nylon 1/4" tubing
and fittings available thru Wicks or ACS. That tubing works nicely for smoke oil
delivery to
the firewall too where you then make the transition to metal tubing forward of
the firewall.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net> |
Rick that is right. Those headsets we used each had a male plug on the wire and
we had different lengths of coax cables up to about 250 feet long. Most of the
time we used a coax about 50 feet. They had female connectors on them. No power
required.
So the only reason you would need an intercom box and a push to talk
button is if you want to talk with a passenger and occasionally talk
on the com radio?
rick
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291096#291096
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
Speaking of metalworking you too can be an expert cowl
maker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR4CcczpZFs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LctS-jTER_M&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHQEGEpXKVA&feature=related
Clif
. My two big anxiety areas are metalwork in general,
Kip Gardner
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike King" <mikek120(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Once again "those amazing Continentals" |
My 1940 Cont. A-80 does the same thing. What an incredible engine.
I have the original engine log and it served many an airplane....including
military training in the past 70 years.
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Corpus Christi, Texas
----- Original Message -----
From: walt
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 11:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Once again "those amazing Continentals"
This morning was nice and warm, so went to the field to start up my Piet.
Brought it outside, primed it 1 1/2 times pulled thru 6 blades with the mags
off,
left meg (impulse) on , first pull it was running.
Oil pressure came right up and it sat there and purred for 10 minutes.
What a beautiful engine. It was originally built somewhere in the early
40's (by the date etchings on the cyl. skirts)
And here over 65 years later, it runs like a champ.
Amazing
walt evans
NX140DL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Once again "those amazing Continentals" |
I have to agree with you guys. Amazing and incredible. I love my ol' A 65.
So reliable. Once you've owned and flown behind one you understand why
they're so loved.
Gene
N502R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike King" <mikek120(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Once again "those amazing Continentals"
>
>
> My 1940 Cont. A-80 does the same thing. What an incredible engine.
> I have the original engine log and it served many an airplane....including
> military training in the past 70 years.
>
> Mike King
> GN-1
> 77MK
> Corpus Christi, Texas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: walt
> To: piet list
> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 11:18 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Once again "those amazing Continentals"
>
>
> This morning was nice and warm, so went to the field to start up my Piet.
> Brought it outside, primed it 1 1/2 times pulled thru 6 blades with the
> mags
> off,
> left meg (impulse) on , first pull it was running.
> Oil pressure came right up and it sat there and purred for 10 minutes.
> What a beautiful engine. It was originally built somewhere in the early
> 40's (by the date etchings on the cyl. skirts)
> And here over 65 years later, it runs like a champ.
> Amazing
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
>
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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
19:33:00
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
Douwe,
Our intercom is a FlightTech ITC-401TC. It's a portable that runs off
a 9V battery. We replace the battery at every annual, whether it
needs it or not. We've mounted in on the back of the front seat, to
the right of the pilot's left-leg knee out. Works great with every
mix of headsets that we've thrown at it.
Jeff
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | greg menoche <gnwac(at)earthlink.net> |
Can I get picture Jeff of the intercom and its placement? Thanks Greg, DE
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
>Sent: Mar 21, 2010 7:30 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: intercom
>
>
>Douwe,
>
>Our intercom is a FlightTech ITC-401TC. It's a portable that runs off
>a 9V battery. We replace the battery at every annual, whether it
>needs it or not. We've mounted in on the back of the front seat, to
>the right of the pilot's left-leg knee out. Works great with every
>mix of headsets that we've thrown at it.
>
>Jeff
>
>
>--
>---
>
>Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
>Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
>Emory University School of Medicine
>Editor-in-Chief
>Molecular Vision
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
Greg,
Sure. Here's two shots from westcoastpiet. We've cleaned up the
routing of the wires since the photo was taken, using sticky-backed
cable clamps from Office Depot or Staples.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Wayne%20Bob%20and%20Jeff/IMG_0126.JPG
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Wayne%20Bob%20and%20Jeff/IMG_0127.JPG
HTH,
Jeff
>
>Can I get picture Jeff of the intercom and its placement? Thanks Greg, DE
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
>>Sent: Mar 21, 2010 7:30 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: intercom
>>
>>
>>Douwe,
>>
>>Our intercom is a FlightTech ITC-401TC. It's a portable that runs off
>>a 9V battery. We replace the battery at every annual, whether it
>>needs it or not. We've mounted in on the back of the front seat, to
>>the right of the pilot's left-leg knee out. Works great with every
>>mix of headsets that we've thrown at it.
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>
>>--
>>---
>>
>>Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
>>Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
>>Emory University School of Medicine
>>Editor-in-Chief
>>Molecular Vision
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 cabane length |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
luther b green wrote:
> My cabanes need rebuilding but are measurable and I will do that and post
> results today sometime. The picture of mine in flight looks level to me so I
> will keep the length to start with. I'll post the picture also so you guys
> can take a look.
> Bryan Green
> Elgin SC
> GN-1 rebuilding
> ---
Thanks Bryan, I would like to know the lengths and see a picture.
Skip, Thanks for that information as well. It sounds like I am in the ball park.
Still haven't calculated what 1" equates to on the Piet for comparison but
will do it and post it.
Jon Coxwell
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291186#291186
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
What kind of toe in or out do I need. Right now with no shims I have 1/4 inch toe
in. Measurements taken from front of each wheel to the back of each wheel
thanks ,Gardiner Mason
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Tunnicliffe" <zk-owl(at)CLEAR.NET.NZ> |
Hi Gardiner, toe in will acentuate ground looping, it is normal to have zero
or slight toe out on a tail dragger. regards Mike T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "airlion" <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 1:04 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: toe
>
> What kind of toe in or out do I need. Right now with no shims I have 1/4
> inch toe in. Measurements taken from front of each wheel to the back of
> each wheel thanks ,Gardiner Mason
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net> |
The tow on N12939 as purchased from Vi Kapler is 0. Handles great on the
hard surface I have to operate from.
Perry Rhoads
N12939
----- Original Message -----
From: "airlion" <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 7:04 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: toe
>
> What kind of toe in or out do I need. Right now with no shims I have 1/4
> inch toe in. Measurements taken from front of each wheel to the back of
> each wheel thanks ,Gardiner Mason
>
>
>
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| From: | Mike Townsley <allischalmersguy(at)gmail.com> |
I was always told that Toe out was best for a trail dragger. Just a
little bit.
Mike Townsley
airlion wrote:
>
> What kind of toe in or out do I need. Right now with no shims I have 1/4 inch
toe in. Measurements taken from front of each wheel to the back of each wheel
thanks ,Gardiner Mason
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Empennage questions |
| From: | "BYD" <byd(at)att.net> |
How do most builders tackle the differences in the stems of the tail shapes when
adding the capstrips?
Picturing the mushroom-shape of the leading edge, the portion that the capstrips
glue to are what Im referring to as the stem. Same is true on the T-shaped
main beam and the bullet-shaped trailing edge. The T-shaped main beam appears
to have the correct stem thickness to allow the capstrips to fit flat. The leading
edge mushroom-shape will have a .062 lip at each capstrip and the bullet-shaped
trailing edge will have a whopping .125 lip (on each side).
Also,
The center beam in most cases does not have a gusset at the ends. I have viewed
pictures where builders extend existing gussets to provide this support has
anyone fabricated and used the tail components per prints without them?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291199#291199
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Phase I complete for 6926J |
Well we lucked out and the runway finely dried out after a really cold and
wet winter here in West Virginia. Since March 17 we have had great weather
and Ed and I have flown about 12 and 1/2 hours to complete the 25 hour
phase I restriction on his Piet. We now have 2 actual flying Piets at Hales
Landing.
Skip
PS. Anyone looking for very a reasonable airport home check out
Barnstormers, WV.
skipgadd(at)earthlink.net
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Phase I complete for 6926J |
Congratulations Skip.
The weather here in Florida is really frustrating me. Another 3 day
weekend with no flying at all, due to excessive winds and/or rain. I'm
still hoping to fly to Sun-N-Fun, but will need some better weather
between now and then.
Ben Charvet
13.9 hours left in Phase 1
On 3/21/2010 9:12 PM, Skip Gadd wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Skip Gadd"
>
> Well we lucked out and the runway finely dried out after a really cold and
> wet winter here in West Virginia. Since March 17 we have had great weather
> and Ed and I have flown about 12 and 1/2 hours to complete the 25 hour
> phase I restriction on his Piet. We now have 2 actual flying Piets at Hales
> Landing.
> Skip
>
> PS. Anyone looking for very a reasonable airport home check out
> Barnstormers, WV.
>
> skipgadd(at)earthlink.net
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Phase I complete for 6926J |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Congrats Skip, and wow, only $149K for a nice house with a 40x40
hanger at your airpark. I could almost afford to retire now to a place
that reasonable, and then we would have 3 Piets on the field.
rick
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Skip Gadd wrote:
>
> Well we lucked out and the runway finely dried out after a really cold and
> wet winter here in West Virginia. Since March 17 we have had great weather
> and Ed and I have flown about 12 and 1/2 hours to complete the 25 hour
> phase I restriction on his Piet. We now have 2 actual flying Piets at Hales
> Landing.
> Skip
>
> PS. Anyone looking for very a reasonable airport home check out
> Barnstormers, WV.
>
> skipgadd(at)earthlink.net
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Empennage questions |
This is what I have on my tail construction. Where the cap strips were taller
then the beams I sanded the capstrips.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/Tail_Wood_Piece_Location.jpg
Exstend the guset to coverer the center beam.
Chris
Sacramento,Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BYD
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 6:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Empennage questions
How do most builders tackle the differences in the stems of the tail shapes when
adding the capstrips?
Picturing the mushroom-shape of the leading edge, the portion that the capstrips
glue to are what Im referring to as the stem. Same is true on the T-shaped
main beam and the bullet-shaped trailing edge. The T-shaped main beam appears
to have the correct stem thickness to allow the capstrips to fit flat. The leading
edge mushroom-shape will have a .062 lip at each capstrip and the bullet-shaped
trailing edge will have a whopping .125 lip (on each side).
Also,
The center beam in most cases does not have a gusset at the ends. I have viewed
pictures where builders extend existing gussets to provide this support has
anyone fabricated and used the tail components per prints without them?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291199#291199
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
VERY cool idea. Logistics will be the challenge but I'm definitely in!
-----Original Message-----
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Sent: Mar 19, 2010 7:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
Hello good people.....
A new idea and concept for the group to ponder.
As we all know and have recognized we all share a common bond as fellow
lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected through the design genius of
Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the aeroplane. We as a collection
of builders have at our disposal some, many and all of the requisite skill
levels to construct such a machine with little assistance or intervention from
the outside world.
The there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be lacking in
skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a reality. From
prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has a skill set that is good
in some areas and not so good in others. Knowing these basic tenants I am
curious as to who or what builders would welcome the talents of other builders
equipped with tools and skills would be interested in having a group of builders
show up at their hanger, barn, basement or garage for a weekend build utilizing
all the skills of the people interested in lending a hand to accomplish a number
of tasks to get the project going bring the tools to get the certain aspects
completed. Woodworkers, metal workers, mechanical workers and the like showing
up to get a build from a stalled stage to a more accomplished state of being a
Pietenpol.
I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skills and
resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to participate in
building another Piet as one group. The other group would be a builder or would
be builder who in need of assistance in advancing their project to a next or
greater level of completion.
This again is but another concept for consideration. For example I have
both tools not all that I need but certainly more than other that are portable,
a trailer to transport them and no skills to speak of. I also have lodging as in
a popup/tent camper to bring to a build site for a few days to help another
builder. There are others with tools and skills that may also be portable.
Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more people who would be
willing to share their time and expertise to get another build moving and
another builder to a next level of completion.
I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week end to
help and how many would be interested in receiving those willing to help.
Before I go any further with this concept it would be nice to know if there
is any interest at all in helping or being helped.
Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for
identification purposes. I know how this works.
Helpers bring tools and skills and resources as needed helped
provide a keg on tap burgers and a place for a fire and I think we are cooking
with gas!
What say you?
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
another question along the same lines would be" could a PIET be built by as
many builders as it would take over the Brodhead weekend?"Much the same wa
y as they build the aluminum stol aircraft, CH701,at the Sun N Fun weekend.
Then auction or raffle it off at the end of the weekend for some lucky pers
on to take home.=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jim Ma
rkle =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent:
Sun, March 21, 2010 10:47:10 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just anothe
Markle =0A=0AVERY cool idea.- Logistics will
be the challenge but I'm definitely in!=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message---
--=0A=0AFrom: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com=0A=0ASent: Mar 19, 2010 7:00 PM=0A=0ATo: pi
etenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: just another idea
and concept to ponder=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHello good people.....=0A
=0AA new idea and concept for the group to ponder.=0A=0AAs we all know and
have recognized we all share a common bond as fellow =0Alovers of the blue,
aviators, builders connected through the design genius of =0ABernard Piete
npol and his flying contraption the aeroplane. We as a collection =0Aof bui
lders have at our disposal some, many and all of the requisite skill =0Alev
els to construct such a machine with little assistance or intervention from
=0Athe outside world.=0A=0AThe there are those who would love to join our
ranks but may be lacking in =0Askills, equipment and time to turn their dre
am into a reality. From =0Aprints to Piet if you will. We know that everyon
e has a skill set that is good =0Ain some areas and not so good in others.
Knowing these basic tenants I am =0Acurious as to who or what builders woul
d welcome the talents of other builders =0Aequipped with tools and skills w
ould be interested in having a group of builders =0Ashow up at their hanger
, barn, basement or garage for a weekend build utilizing =0Aall the skills
of the people interested in lending a hand to accomplish a number =0Aof tas
ks to get the project going bring the tools to get the certain aspects =0Ac
ompleted. Woodworkers, metal workers, mechanical workers and the like showi
ng =0Aup to get a build from a stalled stage to a more accomplished state o
f being a =0APietenpol.=0A=0AI am speaking about two groups of people, thos
e with the skills and =0Aresources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day we
ekend to participate in =0Abuilding another Piet as one group. The other gr
oup would be a builder or would =0Abe builder who in need of assistance in
advancing their project to a next or =0Agreater level of completion.=0A=0AT
his again is but another concept for consideration. For example I have =0Ab
oth tools not all that I need but certainly more than other that are portab
le, =0Aa trailer to transport them and no skills to speak of. I also have l
odging as in =0Aa popup/tent camper to bring to a build site for a few days
to help another =0Abuilder. There are others with tools and skills that ma
y also be portable. =0A=0A=0AThrough this cooperative of a half dozen or mo
re people who would be =0Awilling to share their time and expertise to get
another build moving and =0Aanother builder to a next level of completion.
=0A=0AI am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week en
d to =0Ahelp and how many would be interested in receiving those willing to
help. =0A=0ABefore I go any further with this concept it would be nice to
know if there =0Ais any interest at all in helping or being helped.=0A=0AJu
st in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for =0Aidentif
ication purposes. I know how this works.=0A=0AHelpers bring tools and skill
s and resources as needed helped =0Aprovide a keg on tap burgers and a plac
e for a fire and I think we are cooking =0Awith gas! =0A=0AWhat say you?=0A
========================
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
The only thing is, with Sun-N-Fun or Oshkosh you're talking week-long
events. At Brodhead, depending on when you get there, you really only have
two full days: Friday, and Saturday, and Saturday you have the forums during
the day. The place turns into a ghost town pretty quick on Sunday since
everyone has to either get home or head to Oshkosh. Don't get me wrong, I'm
all for helping people out, but I'd rather spend my all-too-short time there
on that weekend enjoying the people and the airplanes, and not in a hangar
working on a project. You don't have to wait for bucked rivets to dry,
either....
Maybe we could knock Oshkosh down to a couple days, and expand Brodhead to a
full week... :)
Have a good night,
Ryan
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 10:12 PM, H RULE wrote:
> another question along the same lines would be" could a PIET be built by as
> many builders as it would take over the Brodhead weekend?"Much the same way
> as they build the aluminum stol aircraft, CH701,at the Sun N Fun
> weekend.Then auction or raffle it off at the end of the weekend for some
> lucky person to take home.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Jim Markle
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sun, March 21, 2010 10:47:10 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
>
> jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>
> VERY cool idea. Logistics will be the challenge but I'm definitely in!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
>
> Sent: Mar 19, 2010 7:00 PM
>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
>
>
> Hello good people.....
>
> A new idea and concept for the group to ponder.
>
> As we all know and have recognized we all share a common bond as fellow
> lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected through the design genius
> of
> Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the aeroplane. We as a
> collection
> of builders have at our disposal some, many and all of the requisite skill
> levels to construct such a machine with little assistance or intervention
> from
> the outside world.
>
> The there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be lacking in
> skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a reality. From
> prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has a skill set that is
> good
> in some areas and not so good in others. Knowing these basic tenants I am
> curious as to who or what builders would welcome the talents of other
> builders
> equipped with tools and skills would be interested in having a group of
> builders
> show up at their hanger, barn, basement or garage for a weekend build
> utilizing
> all the skills of the people interested in lending a hand to accomplish a
> number
> of tasks to get the project going bring the tools to get the certain
> aspects
> completed. Woodworkers, metal workers, mechanical workers and the like
> showing
> up to get a build from a stalled stage to a more accomplished state of
> being a
> Pietenpol.
>
> I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skills and
> resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to participate in
> building another Piet as one group. The other group would be a builder or
> would
> be builder who in need of assistance in advancing their project to a next
> or
> greater level of completion.
>
> This again is but another concept for consideration. For example I have
> both tools not all that I need but certainly more than other that are
> portable,
> a trailer to transport them and no skills to speak of. I also have lodging
> as in
> a popup/tent camper to bring to a build site for a few days to help another
>
> builder. There are others with tools and skills that may also be portable.
>
>
> Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more people who would be
> willing to share their time and expertise to get another build moving and
> another builder to a next level of completion.
>
> I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week end to
> help and how many would be interested in receiving those willing to help.
>
> Before I go any further with this concept it would be nice to know if there
>
> is any interest at all in helping or being helped.
>
> Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for
> identification purposes. I know how this works.
>
> Helpers bring tools and skills and resources as needed helped
> provide a keg on tap burgers and a place for a fire and I think we are
> cooking
> with gas!
>
> What say you?
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?sp; //forums.matronics.com/"
> target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Empennage questions |
Cut a partial relief in the stem and fair the capstrip so it is flush with
the lip.
The center beam needs to have a gusset on the end.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "BYD" <byd(at)att.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Empennage questions
>
> How do most builders tackle the differences in the stems of the tail
> shapes when adding the capstrips?
>
> Picturing the mushroom-shape of the leading edge, the portion that the
> capstrips glue to are what I?Tm referring to as the stem. Same is true
> on the T-shaped main beam and the bullet-shaped trailing edge. The
> T-shaped main beam appears to have the correct stem thickness to allow the
> capstrips to fit flat. The leading edge mushroom-shape will have a
> .062? lip at each capstrip and the bullet-shaped trailing edge will have
> a whopping .125? lip (on each side).
>
> Also,
> The ?ocenter beam? in most cases does not have a gusset at the ends. I
> have viewed pictures where builders extend existing gussets to provide
> this support ?" has anyone fabricated and used the tail components per
> prints without them?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291199#291199
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
No, that couldn't be done. Not to a completed ship if that's what you
are suggesting. A bare fuselage would take 6 days alone. Just think of
the work involved in the wings.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: H RULE
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
another question along the same lines would be" could a PIET be built
by as many builders as it would take over the Brodhead weekend?"Much the
same way as they build the aluminum stol aircraft, CH701,at the Sun N
Fun weekend.Then auction or raffle it off at the end of the weekend for
some lucky person to take home.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 10:47:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
VERY cool idea. Logistics will be the challenge but I'm definitely
in!
-----Original Message-----
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Sent: Mar 19, 2010 7:00 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
Hello good people.....
A new idea and concept for the group to ponder.
As we all know and have recognized we all share a common bond as
fellow
lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected through the design
genius of
Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the aeroplane. We as a
collection
of builders have at our disposal some, many and all of the requisite
skill
levels to construct such a machine with little assistance or
intervention from
the outside world.
The there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be
lacking in
skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a reality. From
prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has a skill set that
is good
in some areas and not so good in others. Knowing these basic tenants I
am
curious as to who or what builders would welcome the talents of other
builders
equipped with tools and skills would be interested in having a group
of builders
show up at their hanger, barn, basement or garage for a weekend build
utilizing
all the skills of the people interested in lending a hand to
accomplish a number
of tasks to get the project going bring the tools to get the certain
aspects
completed. Woodworkers, metal workers, mechanical workers and the like
showing
up to get a build from a stalled stage to a more accomplished state of
being a
Pietenpol.
I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skills and
resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to participate
in
building another Piet as one group. The other group would be a builder
or would
be builder who in need of assistance in advancing their project to a
next or
greater level of completion.
This again is but another concept for consideration. For example I
have
both tools not all that I need but certainly more than other that are
portable,
a trailer to transport them and no skills to speak of. I also have
lodging as in
a popup/tent camper to bring to a build site for a few days to help
another
builder. There are others with tools and skills that may also be
portable.
Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more people who would be
willing to share their time and expertise to get another build moving
and
another builder to a next level of completion.
I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week end
to
help and how many would be interested in receiving those willing to
help.
Before I go any further with this concept it would be nice to know if
there
is any interest at all in helping or being helped.
Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for
identification purposes. I know how this works.
Helpers bring tools and skills and resources as needed helped
provide a keg on tap burgers and a place for a fire and I think we are
cooking
with gas!
What say you?
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?sp;
//forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
How bout a metal fuselage and wood wings or perhaps metal wings as well.Eac
h man would only have to spend a max 1/2 hour at a time,not the whole weeke
nd.I have seen pictures on this web page of some pretty nice metal PIETS.I
like the idea of making Brodhead a whole week as well.Whether made out of w
ood or metal,the project could span a few years of Brodhead get togethers.J
ust throwing ideas out here.-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________________
___=0AFrom: Dick N <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics
.com=0ASent: Mon, March 22, 2010 12:12:35 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List:
just another idea and concept to ponder=0A=0A=0ANo, that couldn't be done.
- Not to a completed ship if that's what you are suggesting.- A bare fu
selage would take 6 days alone.- Just think of the work involved in the w
ings.- =0ADick N.=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: H RULE =0A>To:
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0A>Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:12 PM=0A>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder=0A>=0A
>=0A>another question along the same lines would be" could a PIET be built
by as many builders as it would take over the Brodhead weekend?"Much the sa
me way as they build the aluminum stol aircraft, CH701,at the Sun N Fun wee
kend.Then auction or raffle it off at the end of the weekend for some lucky
person to take home.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A________________________________=0AFrom
: Jim Markle =0A>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.co
m=0A>Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 10:47:10 PM=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:
just another idea and concept to ponder=0A>=0A>--> Pietenpol-List message p
osted by: Jim Markle =0A>=0A>VERY cool idea.-
Logistics will be the challenge but I'm definitely in!=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>-----
Original Message-----=0A>=0A>From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com=0A>=0A>Sent: Mar 19, 2
010 7:00 PM=0A>=0A>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A>=0A>Subject: Pietenp
ol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A
>=0A>=0A>Hello good people.....=0A>=0A>A new idea and concept for the group
to ponder.=0A>=0A>As we all know and have recognized we all share a common
bond as fellow =0A>lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected throug
h the design genius of =0A>Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the
aeroplane. We as a collection =0A>of builders have at our disposal some, m
any and all of the requisite skill =0A>levels to construct such a machine w
ith little assistance or intervention from =0A>the outside world.=0A>=0A>Th
e there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be lacking in
=0A>skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a reality. From =0A
>prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has a skill set that is
good =0A>in some areas and not so good in others. Knowing these basic tenan
ts I am =0A>curious as to who or what builders would welcome the talents of
other builders =0A>equipped with tools and skills would be interested in h
aving a group of builders =0A>show up at their hanger, barn, basement or ga
rage for a weekend build utilizing =0A>all the skills of the people interes
ted in lending a hand to accomplish a number =0A>of tasks to get the projec
t going bring the tools to get the certain aspects =0A>completed. Woodworke
rs, metal workers, mechanical workers and the like showing =0A>up to get a
build from a stalled stage to a more accomplished state of being a =0A>Piet
enpol.=0A>=0A>I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skil
ls and =0A>resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to parti
cipate in =0A>building another Piet as one group. The other group would be
a builder or would =0A>be builder who in need of assistance in advancing th
eir project to a next or =0A>greater level of completion.=0A>=0A>This again
is but another concept for consideration. For example I have =0A>both tool
s not all that I need but certainly more than other that are portable, =0A>
a trailer to transport them and no skills to speak of. I also have lodging
as in =0A>a popup/tent camper to bring to a build site for a few days to he
lp another =0A>builder. There are others with tools and skills that may als
o be portable. =0A>=0A>=0A>Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more
people who would be =0A>willing to share their time and expertise to get a
nother build moving and =0A>another builder to a next level of completion.
=0A>=0A>I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week
end to =0A>help and how many would be interested in receiving those willing
to help. =0A>=0A>Before I go any further with this concept it would be nic
e to know if there =0A>is any interest at all in helping or being helped.
=0A>=0A>Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for
=0A>identification purposes. I know how this works.=0A>=0A>Helpers bring to
ols and skills and resources as needed helped =0A>provide a keg on tap burg
ers and a place for a fire and I think we are cooking =0A>with gas! =0A>=0A
>What say you?=0A>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?sp; - - - - //
forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com=0A>=0A>
=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Li
st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>href="http://for
ums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A>href="http://www.matron
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| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
| From: | "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Fuselage is going well. I updated my site with some more photos.
http://www.textors.com/PietProject.html
Jack
DSM
www.textors.com <http://www.textors.com/>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jack,
You should be very proud of your work. Very nice websight.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
NX929DH
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:03 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Update
Fuselage is going well. I updated my site with some more photos. http://
www.textors.com/PietProject.html
Jack
DSM
www.textors.com
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| From: | "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143(at)aol.com> |
A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as required. Describes
it in good shape, running recently, replaced for larger engine. How does
$1800 sound? I know there can be a big disparity, but I have no recent price
experience. I would probably overhaul anyway based on what I am able to do
myself and/or cost to have someone else do it if required. Any recent cost experiences?
Thanks,
Steve
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Steve
www.mypiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291233#291233
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve; that sounds like a piece of junk and you should run away as fast as you
can. Dangerous, unreliable. Give me your friend's name and phone number so I
can buy it and keep you out of trouble ;o)
Seriously, you should jump on it. I just sold the A65 that came out of 41CC for
a good deal more than that, so I think you'll be getting a great deal. Note
the recent emails from Walt and others on how nice these old Continentals are.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291234#291234
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Looking very nice, Jack
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 7:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Update
Fuselage is going well. I updated my site with some more photos.
http://www.textors.com/PietProject.html
Jack
DSM
www.textors.com <http://www.textors.com/>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | for the absolute best source of Pietenpol photos anywhere |
By far, without question, Chris Tracy's Westcoast Piet web site has the fin
est selection of Pietenpol photos anywhere.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/pictures.htm
You could spend hours here easily and you'll see more detail and more plane
s than you would
see in going to five Brodhead events. (but come anyway, please......espec
ially if you wear high black dress socks up
to your knees in sandals with suspenders, a plaid shirt, and wear a pith he
lmet)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
| From: | Pastor Mike Townsley <allischalmersguy(at)gmail.com> |
Looks very nice Jack!
Mike Townsley
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:03 AM, Jack wrote:
> Fuselage is going well. I updated my site with some more photos.
> http://www.textors.com/PietProject.html
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
> www.textors.com
>
>
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
Would you want to fly a plane built using the primary goal of 'Did it in a weekend?'
I would have my hesitations.
Are they still doing the build-it-during-the-week thing with the Zenair's at Sun
'n Fun? I remember them doing it back in the early 90's, but I thought the practice
had been discontinued.
The choreography for a Piet would be far different. A riveted joint is bang bang
bang, ready to fly, right away, no glue to dry. Figuring out how to coordinate
construction of assemblies while the glue is drying on others would be quite
the challenge. I suppose you could have everybody build a rib (one glue pause)
then assemble them all (second glue pause). I'd have to think about the glue
pauses for a wood fuselage.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: H RULE
Sent: Mar 21, 2010 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
another question along the same lines would be" could a PIET be built by as many
builders as it would take over the Brodhead weekend?"Much the same way as they
build the aluminum stol aircraft, CH701,at the Sun N Fun weekend.Then auction
or raffle it off at the end of the weekend for some lucky person to take home.
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 10:47:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
VERY cool idea. Logistics will be the challenge but I'm definitely in!
-----Original Message-----
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Sent: Mar 19, 2010 7:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
Hello good people.....
A new idea and concept for the group to ponder.
As we all know and have recognized we all share a common bond as fellow
lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected through the design genius of
Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the aeroplane. We as a collection
of builders have at our disposal some, many and all of the requisite skill
levels to construct such a machine with little assistance or intervention from
the outside world.
The there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be lacking in
skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a reality. From
prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has a skill set that is good
in some areas and not so good in others. Knowing these basic tenants I am
curious as to who or what builders would welcome the talents of other builders
equipped with tools and skills would be interested in having a group of builders
show up at their hanger, barn, basement or garage for a weekend build utilizing
all the skills of the people interested in lending a hand to accomplish a number
of tasks to get the project going bring the tools to get the certain aspects
completed. Woodworkers, metal workers, mechanical workers and the like showing
up to get a build from a stalled stage to a more accomplished state of being a
Pietenpol.
I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skills and
resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to participate in
building another Piet as one group. The other group would be a builder or would
be builder who in need of assistance in advancing their project to a next or
greater level of completion.
This again is but another concept for consideration. For example I have
both tools not all that I need but certainly more than other that are portable,
a trailer to transport them and no skills to speak of. I also have lodging as in
a popup/tent camper to bring to a build site for a few days to help another
builder. There are others with tools and skills that may also be portable.
Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more people who would be
willing to share their time and expertise to get another build moving and
another builder to a next level of completion.
I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week end to
help and how many would be interested in receiving those willing to help.
Before I go any further with this concept it would be nice to know if there
is any interest at all in helping or being helped.
Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for
identification purposes. I know how this works.
Helpers bring tools and skills and resources as needed helped
provide a keg on tap burgers and a place for a fire and I think we are cooking
with gas!
What say you?
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Congrats Skip!
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
BUY IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can't loose at that price. BUY IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of chase143(at)aol.com
>Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 9:42 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
>
>
>
>A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as
>required. Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for
>larger engine. How does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big
>disparity, but I have no recent price experience. I would probably
>overhaul anyway based on what I am able to do myself and/or cost to have
>someone else do it if required. Any recent cost experiences?
>Thanks,
>Steve
>
>--------
>Steve
>www.mypiet.com
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291233#291233
>
>
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| From: | "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Phase I complete for 6926J |
Thanks Ben and Rick,
Rick, Go for it! Actually the guy selling, Mike Frazier has a steel tube
Piet project, so a guy might be able to get a home on a runway and the Piet
project all at one shot.
Skip
> wow, only $149K for a nice house with a 40x40
> hanger at your airpark. I could almost afford to retire now to a place
> that reasonable, and then we would have 3 Piets on the field.
>
> rick
>
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
John,
Sounds like an old-fashioned barn-raising where the whole community
turned out to build a neighbor's barn. I like it!
I don't know if I'd be able to get it past the head of the ways and
means committee, though. *sigh*
Reading more of the thread - if someone showed up with all the ribs and
tips built, could the rest of the wing be done in a couple of days?
Dan
On 03/19/2010 07:00 PM, AMsafetyC(at)aol.com wrote:
> Hello good people.....
> A new idea and concept for the group to ponder.
> As we all know and have recognized we all share a common bond as fellow
> lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected through the design
> genius of Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the aeroplane. We
> as a collection of builders have at our disposal some, many and all of
> the requisite skill levels to construct such a machine with little
> assistance or intervention from the outside world.
> The there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be lacking
> in skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a reality. From
> prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has a skill set that
> is good in some areas and not so good in others. Knowing these basic
> tenants I am curious as to who or what builders would welcome the
> talents of other builders equipped with tools and skills would be
> interested in having a group of builders show up at their hanger, barn,
> basement or garage for a weekend build utilizing all the skills of the
> people interested in lending a hand to accomplish a number of tasks to
> get the project going bring the tools to get the certain aspects
> completed. Woodworkers, metal workers, mechanical workers and the like
> showing up to get a build from a stalled stage to a more accomplished
> state of being a Pietenpol.
> I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skills and
> resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to participate
> in building another Piet as one group. The other group would be a
> builder or would be builder who in need of assistance in advancing their
> project to a next or greater level of completion.
> This again is but another concept for consideration. For example I have
> both tools not all that I need but certainly more than other that are
> portable, a trailer to transport them and no skills to speak of. I also
> have lodging as in a popup/tent camper to bring to a build site for a
> few days to help another builder. There are others with tools and skills
> that may also be portable.
> Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more people who would be
> willing to share their time and expertise to get another build moving
> and another builder to a next level of completion.
> I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week end
> to help and how many would be interested in receiving those willing to
> help.
> Before I go any further with this concept it would be nice to know if
> there is any interest at all in helping or being helped.
> Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for
> identification purposes. I know how this works.
> Helpers bring tools and skills and resources as needed helped provide a
> keg on tap burgers and a place for a fire and I think we are cooking
> with gas!
> What say you?
> John
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Very nice, looks just like my workshop with two completed wings
hanging overhead waiting for covering.
Rick
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Jack wrote:
> Fuselage is going well. I updated my site with some more photos.
> http://www.textors.com/PietProject.html
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
> www.textors.com
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
I'd have two questions which could vary the value of it significantly.
1. Is it a certified engine with logs? A certified engine will obviously bring
more than a non-certified engine, or one that once was certified but hasn't been
maintained that way. IIRC, a certified engine in your Piet would also reduce
the required time for your test flights from 40 hours down to 25.
2. What are the compression numbers on the cylinders? This is a standard benchmark
of engine health. While it doesn't guarantee perfection, it's a good starting
point.
Neither of these are show-stoppers; they just change the numbers.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143(at)aol.com>
>Sent: Mar 22, 2010 9:41 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
>
>
>A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as required.
Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for larger engine. How
does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big disparity, but I have no recent price
experience. I would probably overhaul anyway based on what I am able to do
myself and/or cost to have someone else do it if required. Any recent cost experiences?
>Thanks,
>Steve
>
>--------
>Steve
>www.mypiet.com
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291233#291233
>
>
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
With accessories and even if it is run-out, that is a good price.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Mar 22, 2010, at 8:41 AM, chase143(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as
required. Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for
larger engine. How does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big
disparity, but I have no recent price experience. I would probably
overhaul anyway based on what I am able to do myself and/or cost to have
someone else do it if required. Any recent cost experiences?
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
> --------
> Steve
> www.mypiet.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291233#291233
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Seeing the bare fuselage gives an idea of just how robust the Piet airframe is.
Those beefy 1x1 framing members really make for a stout airplane.
Very clean work, Jack.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Sounds like a good price to me, Steve. I paid $1500 for my A-65 as
literally a box of parts 10 years ago. I put another $6,000 into it in
overhauling it, including new cylinders and pistons, new camshaft, new
magnetos, etc.
As for overhauling it yourself, I heartily recommend it. Buy the Mattituck
video on how to overhaul an O-200 (available from AS&S) and just follow the
same procedures. Overhaul manuals for A65's are readily available. They
are pretty easy to follow and few special tools are required, other than a
piston ring compressor. When you are done, you will know your engine
thoroughly.
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
chase143(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 9:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as
required. Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for larger
engine. How does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big disparity, but I
have no recent price experience. I would probably overhaul anyway based on
what I am able to do myself and/or cost to have someone else do it if
required. Any recent cost experiences?
Thanks,
Steve
--------
Steve
www.mypiet.com
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Steve Hi from UK.
To protect your friend from any liability and litigation can I suggest I'll
take the A65 off his hands and save you wasting your money!
Seriously though at that price you should snap it up. In fact I think it
would be economic to ship to UK even. Go for it and even if it's not used
you can resell it anytime and it will go.
Regards
Gerry
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Take it, don't look back! I would jump all over it for that price.
--- On Mon, 3/22/10, chase143(at)aol.com wrote:
From: chase143(at)aol.com <chase143(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 9:41 AM
om>
A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as require
d. Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for larger engine
. How does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big disparity, but I have no
recent price experience. I would probably overhaul anyway based on what I a
m able to do myself and/or cost to have someone else do it if required. Any
recent cost experiences?
Thanks,
Steve
--------
Steve
www.mypiet.com
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le, List Admin.
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| From: | Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
How many hours does it have in the last 3-5 years? What are the
compressions? What state are the mags in? How long since major?
Some or a lot of recent time is good. Can you check the cylinders and
cam for corrosion before buying? It'd be nice to pop a cylinder or
two off.
If it was built with good parts, $1,800 is a good deal. I just paid
$900 to overhaul two cylinders a few months ago.
Also, did you see the recent article in EAA Sport Aviation magazine
about engines having substantially lower failure rates as they have
more and more hours? Because that is the case, I'd be more interested
in this engine if it has 500 hours than if it has 50 hours.
Steve Ruse
Quoting "chase143(at)aol.com" :
>
>
> A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as
> required. Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for
> larger engine. How does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big
> disparity, but I have no recent price experience. I would probably
> overhaul anyway based on what I am able to do myself and/or cost to
> have someone else do it if required. Any recent cost experiences?
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
> --------
> Steve
> www.mypiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291233#291233
>
>
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| From: | "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143(at)aol.com> |
Great replies all!!
~I believe it is certified, has all log books (and many spare parts)
~Jack, I will look for the video, I'd like to rebuild myself (I have a ring compressor
I once used on my 351 Cleveland)
~Steve, very interesting stats, I will look up the EAA article.
~Thanks for all the offers to take off my hands! That answers my question! lol
I think it's a done deal! Thanks again.
Steve
--------
Steve
www.mypiet.com
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| From: | Jim <jimboyer(at)hughes.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
Hi Jack,
Your fuselage shows very nice and good work. Its really looking good and making
good progress.
Keep it up,
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
Mar 22, 2010 05:08:21 AM, pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com wrote:
Fuselage is going well. I updated my site with some more photos. http://www.textors.com/PietProject.html
Jack
DSM
www.textors.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Beautiful work Jack! I hope mine will look as good.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| From: | "Mike King" <mikek120(at)mindspring.com> |
Same here. Can't beat the Cont. Mine is 70 years old and has
plenty left in her. Like the guys say......BUY IT.
Mike King
77MK
GN-1
Corpus Christi
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
Take it, don't look back! I would jump all over it for that price.
--- On Mon, 3/22/10, chase143(at)aol.com wrote:
From: chase143(at)aol.com <chase143(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 9:41 AM
A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as
required. Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for larger
engine. How does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big disparity, but I
have no recent price experience. I would probably overhaul anyway based on
what I am able to do myself and/or cost to have someone else do it if
required. Any recent cost experiences?
Thanks,
Steve
--------
Steve
www.mypiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
So... what assemblies are you lacking John? Do you have all the materials or will
we spend most of the first day down at the lumber yard sifting through scraps?
Will you be providing food and drink? How big is the basement?
[Laughing]
[quote="Amsafetyc"]Valuable comments thanksActually not talking about a complete
ship and not at Brodhead. Just at a builders location looking for a weekend
of intense building by a group able and capable of working on everything in need
of help to advance the project. All based on the builders wants,needs,schedule
and raw materials/parts on hand. With enough bench space,clamps, jigging
and a saw man it is possible to frame out the fuse and tail feathers in a weekend.
I am not advocating we do this tomorrow but if there were interested parties
maybe in 6 month or soJohn
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "Dick N"
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:12:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
No, that couldn't be done. Not to a completed ship if that's what you are suggesting.
A bare fuselage would take 6 days alone. Just think of the work involved
in the wings.
Dick N.
> ---
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| From: | Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A-65 cost - Engine TBO & EAA article |
Below is a link to the article I was referring to. You have to sign
up to Oshkosh365.org to read them I think. Good article. A 2nd
article in the series was in this month's magazine:
http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201002/#pg90
Steve
Quoting "chase143(at)aol.com" :
>
>
> Great replies all!!
> ~I believe it is certified, has all log books (and many spare parts)
> ~Jack, I will look for the video, I'd like to rebuild myself (I have
> a ring compressor I once used on my 351 Cleveland)
> ~Steve, very interesting stats, I will look up the EAA article.
> ~Thanks for all the offers to take off my hands! That answers my
> question! lol
> I think it's a done deal! Thanks again.
> Steve
>
> --------
> Steve
> www.mypiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291272#291272
>
>
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A-65 cost - Engine TBO & EAA article |
I didn't read the article =2C but I think it will say that frequency is mor
e important than total. An engine that flies 5 hrs/yr won't even come clos
e to TBO=2C but one that flies 100 hrs/yr will. The last airplane we had w
as still flying with good numbers past TBO. It was flown 150hrs/yr.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
Mark,
I got my fuse , wings, tail feathers, center section, landing gear,
cabane's and struts built along with most of my metal fittings in stainles
s done
and the firewall is installed. As soon as I can get a hanger I plan to beg
in
my trial fits and finishing mounting brackets for alignment. I also had
2
tanks nearly built however 032 aluminum is easily bent on my home made
large profile brake just not to easy to get the tig welding settings exac
tly
right. First arc big honking holes.
Soon as I move into a hanger I can do more adjusting on the Piet and I am
planning the construction of my hanger kegger just in case the thirst hits
me. Right now we are talking about electric, I need 220/100 amp service to
run my welders and compressor and the airport only provides one single 11
0 v
15 amp circuit. not nearly enough for serious builders with tools.
Soon as I can load the flatbed with steel for the benches and tools I am
ready to move the piet to its new home, were I can drink and make sparks
all
the day.
John
Bring it on home boy
In a message dated 3/22/2010 2:08:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
hangar10(at)cox.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC"
So... what assemblies are you lacking John? Do you have all the material
s
or will we spend most of the first day down at the lumber yard sifting
through scraps? Will you be providing food and drink? How big is the
basement?
[Laughing]
[quote="Amsafetyc"]Valuable comments thanksActually not talking about
a
complete ship and not at Brodhead. Just at a builders location looking fo
r a
weekend of intense building by a group able and capable of working on
everything in need of help to advance the project. All based on the build
ers
wants,needs,schedule and raw materials/parts on hand. With enough bench
space,clamps, jigging and a saw man it is possible to frame out the fuse
and
tail feathers in a weekend. I am not advocating we do this tomorrow but
if
there were interested parties maybe in 6 month or soJohn
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "Dick N"
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:12:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
No, that couldn't be done.=EF=BD Not to a completed ship if that's wh
at you
are suggesting.=EF=BD A bare fuselage would take 6 days alone.=EF
=BD Just think
of the work involved in the wings.=EF=BD
Dick N.
> ---
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
Dan,
That is exactly the concept. Living in Lancaster PA we often have a chance
to run across an Amish barn being built, just like in the movie Witness or
a Kingdom Hall like the Jehovah witnesses. Really its about a bunch of
folks pitching in to get another Piet project off the ground.
I am certain that much can be accomplished is short order with the right
hands doing there best to make it happen. To me it sounds like fun and a
chance to learn from all the others there is much for each of us to share and
learn.
John
In a message dated 3/22/2010 12:45:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
yocum(at)fnal.gov writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum
John,
Sounds like an old-fashioned barn-raising where the whole community
turned out to build a neighbor's barn. I like it!
I don't know if I'd be able to get it past the head of the ways and
means committee, though. *sigh*
Reading more of the thread - if someone showed up with all the ribs and
tips built, could the rest of the wing be done in a couple of days?
Dan
On 03/19/2010 07:00 PM, AMsafetyC(at)aol.com wrote:
> Hello good people.....
> A new idea and concept for the group to ponder.
> As we all know and have recognized we all share a common bond as fellow
> lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected through the design
> genius of Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the aeroplane. We
> as a collection of builders have at our disposal some, many and all of
> the requisite skill levels to construct such a machine with little
> assistance or intervention from the outside world.
> The there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be lacking
> in skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a reality. From
> prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has a skill set that
> is good in some areas and not so good in others. Knowing these basic
> tenants I am curious as to who or what builders would welcome the
> talents of other builders equipped with tools and skills would be
> interested in having a group of builders show up at their hanger, barn,
> basement or garage for a weekend build utilizing all the skills of the
> people interested in lending a hand to accomplish a number of tasks to
> get the project going bring the tools to get the certain aspects
> completed. Woodworkers, metal workers, mechanical workers and the like
> showing up to get a build from a stalled stage to a more accomplished
> state of being a Pietenpol.
> I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skills and
> resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to participate
> in building another Piet as one group. The other group would be a
> builder or would be builder who in need of assistance in advancing their
> project to a next or greater level of completion.
> This again is but another concept for consideration. For example I have
> both tools not all that I need but certainly more than other that are
> portable, a trailer to transport them and no skills to speak of. I also
> have lodging as in a popup/tent camper to bring to a build site for a
> few days to help another builder. There are others with tools and skills
> that may also be portable.
> Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more people who would be
> willing to share their time and expertise to get another build moving
> and another builder to a next level of completion.
> I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week end
> to help and how many would be interested in receiving those willing to
> help.
> Before I go any further with this concept it would be nice to know if
> there is any interest at all in helping or being helped.
> Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for
> identification purposes. I know how this works.
> Helpers bring tools and skills and resources as needed helped provide a
> keg on tap burgers and a place for a fire and I think we are cooking
> with gas!
> What say you?
> John
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Yuck!
Just thought I'd throw that in there for contrast.
Really, though, Jack - like everyone else said, you're doing VERY nice work.
But your shop is a mess! In one of the photos, it looks like there's a binder under
your workbench that is sticking out about 3/4"! That can't actually be a
real workshop. I should post a photo of my mess, so you can see what the other
end of the spectrum looks like. (can you tell I'm jealous?)
Bill C.
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| From: | Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A-65 cost - Engine TBO & EAA article |
Even that depends on other factors, like how the engine is stored.
The engine in my plane (an A-75) was last overhauled in 1967...43
years ago. It has about 1,000 total time now. Clearly it has at
points gone for years without running in that time. I've put about
400 on it in the last six years, and it is in great shape. The cam
and internals look good, and the 400 recent hours I put on it indicate
that it is still solid. It has had cylinders replaced, and new
mags...but the bottom-end is solid (or is it the middle-end on an
opposed engine?). If there had been rust on the cam or crank six
years ago, it would've been apparent by now. When I had two cylinders
off last year, the internals looked good.
Of course, it is BEST to run an engine often. But not running it
often doesn't always mean it will be ruined, just that it is more
likely. Clearly mine was somehow protected from corrosion.
Steve Ruse
Quoting Doug Dever :
>
> I didn't read the article , but I think it will say that frequency
> is more important than total. An engine that flies 5 hrs/yr won't
> even come close to TBO, but one that flies 100 hrs/yr will. The
> last airplane we had was still flying with good numbers past TBO.
> It was flown 150hrs/yr.
>
> Doug Dever
> In beautiful Stow Ohio
>
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 cost - Engine TBO & EAA article |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Storing an engine in humid Florida vs. dry Colorado could make a
difference over a few decades.
rick
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Steve Ruse wrote:
>
> Even that depends on other factors, like how the engine is stored. The
> engine in my plane (an A-75) was last overhauled in 1967...43 years ago. It
> has about 1,000 total time now. Clearly it has at points gone for years
> without running in that time. I've put about 400 on it in the last six
> years, and it is in great shape. The cam and internals look good, and the
> 400 recent hours I put on it indicate that it is still solid. It has had
> cylinders replaced, and new mags...but the bottom-end is solid (or is it the
> middle-end on an opposed engine?). If there had been rust on the cam or
> crank six years ago, it would've been apparent by now. When I had two
> cylinders off last year, the internals looked good.
>
> Of course, it is BEST to run an engine often. But not running it often
> doesn't always mean it will be ruined, just that it is more likely. Clearly
> mine was somehow protected from corrosion.
>
> Steve Ruse
>
> Quoting Doug Dever :
>
>>
>> I didn't read the article , but I think it will say that frequency is
>> more important than total. An engine that flies 5 hrs/yr won't even come
>> close to TBO, but one that flies 100 hrs/yr will. The last airplane we had
>> was still flying with good numbers past TBO. It was flown 150hrs/yr.
>>
>> Doug Dever
>> In beautiful Stow Ohio
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Ok, I was just trying to be funny. Kind of like... maybe you were recruiting to
get some cheap labor.
Thanks for the update. LOL!
[quote="Amsafetyc"]Mark,
I got my fuse , wings, tail feathers, center section, landing gear, cabane's
and struts built along with most of my metal fittings in stainless done and the
firewall is installed. As soon as I can get a hanger I plan to begin my trial
fits and finishing mounting brackets for alignment. I also had 2 tanks nearly
built however 032 aluminum is easily bent on my home made large profile
brake just not to easy to get the tig welding settings exactly right. First arc
big honking holes.
Soon as I move into a hanger I can do more adjusting on the Pietand I am planning
the construction of my hanger kegger just in case the thirst hits me. Right
now we are talking about electric, I need 220/100 amp service to run my welders
and compressor and the airport only provides one single 110 v 15 amp circuit.
not nearly enough for serious builders with tools.
Soon as I can load the flatbed with steel for the benches and tools I am ready
to move the piet to its new home, were I can drink and make sparks all the
day.
John
Bring it on home boy
In a message dated 3/22/2010 2:08:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hangar10(at)cox.net
writes:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC"
>
> So... what assemblies are you lacking John? Do you have all the materials
or will we spend most of the first day down at the lumber yard sifting through
scraps? Will you be providing food and drink? How big is the basement?
>
> [Laughing]
>
> [quote="Amsafetyc"]Valuable comments thanksActually not talking about a complete
ship and not at Brodhead. Just at a builders location looking for a
weekend of intense building by a group able and capable of working on everything
in need of help to advance the project. All based on the builders wants,needs,schedule
and raw materials/parts on hand. With enough bench space,clamps,
jigging and a saw man it is possible to frame out the fuse and tail
feathers in a weekend. I am not advocating we do this tomorrow but if there
were interested parties maybe in 6 month or soJohn
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "Dick N"
> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:12:35 -0500
> To:
> Subject: Re: just another idea and concept to ponder
>
> No, that couldn't be done. Not to a completed ship if that's what you are
suggesting. A bare fuselage would take 6 days alone. Just think of the
work involved in the wings.
> Dick N.
>
>
> > ---
> >
> >
>
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291281#291281==============================================
>
>
> [b]
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Oh yeah?
Well, I can't even FIND my dog in my workshop. (beat that)
BC
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
Jim,
In answer to your #1, It doesn't have to be certified to have a fly off
hour of 25. Mine wasn't and I did the 25 hour Phase 1.
Just my 2 cents.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Ash
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
I'd have two questions which could vary the value of it significantly.
1. Is it a certified engine with logs? A certified engine will
obviously bring more than a non-certified engine, or one that once was
certified but hasn't been maintained that way. IIRC, a certified engine
in your Piet would also reduce the required time for your test flights
from 40 hours down to 25.
2. What are the compression numbers on the cylinders? This is a
standard benchmark of engine health. While it doesn't guarantee
perfection, it's a good starting point.
Neither of these are show-stoppers; they just change the numbers.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143(at)aol.com>
>Sent: Mar 22, 2010 9:41 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost
>
>
>A friend offered me an A-65, with spare mags, carburetor, pieces as
required. Describes it in good shape, running recently, replaced for
larger engine. How does $1800 sound? I know there can be a big
disparity, but I have no recent price experience. I would probably
overhaul anyway based on what I am able to do myself and/or cost to have
someone else do it if required. Any recent cost experiences?
>Thanks,
>Steve
>
>--------
>Steve
>www.mypiet.com
>
>
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291233#291233
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
Oh yeah?
Well, I can't even FIND my wife in my workshop....oh that's right I got
rid of the "Practice Wife", and kept the Piet mistress.
BJ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 2:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
Oh yeah?
Well, I can't even FIND my dog in my workshop. (beat that)
BC
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| From: | jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com> |
I am building a Piet and have decided on the Continental A-65 and I want to
hear from everyone.
What size prop are you using with the A-65?
-
Thanks, Jeff=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: What size prop |
I have a Sensenich 72X40, which is considered a climb prop on a Cub. It
pulls the full 2300 RPM in a climb, and I still cruise at 78 mph at 2100
rpm.
Ben
On 3/22/2010 5:30 PM, jeff wilson wrote:
> I am building a Piet and have decided on the Continental A-65 and I
> want to hear from everyone.
> What size prop are you using with the A-65?
> Thanks, Jeff
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
Remember guys, as some famous writer said,,,"Its not the
destination,,,but the journey that's important"
I loved working on my Piet,,,without any kind of pressure.
"some like to build,,and some like to fly"
"don't build to fly" but "build to build"
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Yocum
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder
John,
Sounds like an old-fashioned barn-raising where the whole community
turned out to build a neighbor's barn. I like it!
I don't know if I'd be able to get it past the head of the ways and
means committee, though. *sigh*
Reading more of the thread - if someone showed up with all the ribs
and
tips built, could the rest of the wing be done in a couple of days?
Dan
On 03/19/2010 07:00 PM, AMsafetyC(at)aol.com wrote:
> Hello good people.....
> A new idea and concept for the group to ponder.
> As we all know and have recognized we all share a common bond as
fellow
> lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected through the design
> genius of Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the
aeroplane. We
> as a collection of builders have at our disposal some, many and all
of
> the requisite skill levels to construct such a machine with little
> assistance or intervention from the outside world.
> The there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be
lacking
> in skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a reality.
From
> prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has a skill set
that
> is good in some areas and not so good in others. Knowing these basic
> tenants I am curious as to who or what builders would welcome the
> talents of other builders equipped with tools and skills would be
> interested in having a group of builders show up at their hanger,
barn,
> basement or garage for a weekend build utilizing all the skills of
the
> people interested in lending a hand to accomplish a number of tasks
to
> get the project going bring the tools to get the certain aspects
> completed. Woodworkers, metal workers, mechanical workers and the
like
> showing up to get a build from a stalled stage to a more
accomplished
> state of being a Pietenpol.
> I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skills and
> resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to
participate
> in building another Piet as one group. The other group would be a
> builder or would be builder who in need of assistance in advancing
their
> project to a next or greater level of completion.
> This again is but another concept for consideration. For example I
have
> both tools not all that I need but certainly more than other that
are
> portable, a trailer to transport them and no skills to speak of. I
also
> have lodging as in a popup/tent camper to bring to a build site for
a
> few days to help another builder. There are others with tools and
skills
> that may also be portable.
> Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more people who would be
> willing to share their time and expertise to get another build
moving
> and another builder to a next level of completion.
> I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week
end
> to help and how many would be interested in receiving those willing
to
> help.
> Before I go any further with this concept it would be nice to know
if
> there is any interest at all in helping or being helped.
> Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for
> identification purposes. I know how this works.
> Helpers bring tools and skills and resources as needed helped
provide a
> keg on tap burgers and a place for a fire and I think we are cooking
> with gas!
> What say you?
> John
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
Bj,
Wow,
I think I like you!
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 4:52 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
Oh yeah?
Well, I can't even FIND my wife in my workshop....oh that's right I
got
rid of the "Practice Wife", and kept the Piet mistress.
BJ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 2:38 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
Oh yeah?
Well, I can't even FIND my dog in my workshop. (beat that)
BC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291317#291317
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: just another idea and concept to ponder |
I was thinking the same thing. With a mass build, who would be
responsible for quality control? There is a little reassurance when you
strap your butt in and add the throttle, that you have done YOUR best to
make it right. The skills you learn during the journey are part of the
process.
Ben Charvet
On 3/22/2010 5:35 PM, walt wrote:
> Remember guys, as some famous writer said,,,"Its not the
> destination,,,but the journey that's important"
> I loved working on my Piet,,,without any kind of pressure.
> "some like to build,,and some like to fly"
> "don't build to fly" but "build to build"
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
I hope the blessed wife does not read your emails
________________________________
From: walt <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 5:36:01 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
Bj,
Wow,
I think I like you!
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
>From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 4:52
>PM
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage
> Update
>
>
>Oh
> yeah?
>
>Well, I can't even FIND my wife in my workshop....oh that's right
> I got
>rid of the "Practice Wife", and kept the Piet
> mistress.
>
>BJ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of Bill
>Church
>Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 2:38 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject:
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message
> posted by: "Bill Church"
>
>
>Oh
> yeah?
>Well, I can't even FIND my dog in my workshop. (beat
> that)
>
>BC
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291317#291317
>
>
>>
> http://www.matnbsp;
>via the Web
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>_p;
>generous
> bsp;
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================
>
>
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
Bill and all,
Thanks for the kind words, it all helps! Bill, do you think I'm anal? I do
always make sure to dust before mixing epoxy or measuring a for critical
cut. Honestly, Wife Susan is very understanding of all the dust, noise and
swearing rising up from the family room.
Jack
DSM
Yuck!
Just thought I'd throw that in there for contrast.
Really, though, Jack - like everyone else said, you're doing VERY nice work.
But your shop is a mess! In one of the photos, it looks like there's a
binder under your workbench that is sticking out about 3/4"! That can't
actually be a real workshop. I should post a photo of my mess, so you can
see what the other end of the spectrum looks like. (can you tell I'm
jealous?)
Bill C.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Okay, so if I have two headsets and want to be able to talk back and forth,
what do I need?
A battery powered intercom and two push to talk switches (if I don't trust
the squelch to work) and that's it?
Douwe
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Instrument Template |
Did some test cutting with my new 3 1/8 forstner bit today, what a honking
bit! Does anyone have a PDF for the instrument screw holes?
Thanks!
Jack
DSM
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
Douwe, you only need one PPT switch, and that's for the pilot to
communicate on the radio. The communication between the two people in
the airplane simply goes through the intercom without need of a PPT
switch - you just speak into the microphone. Now, if you want both
the passenger and pilot to be able to communicate on the radio,
things get more complicated.
>
>
>Okay, so if I have two headsets and want to be able to talk back and forth,
>what do I need?
>
>A battery powered intercom and two push to talk switches (if I don't trust
>the squelch to work) and that's it?
>
>Douwe
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: What size prop |
Jeff,
Ben is certainly getting excellent results with his prop. If I were starting from
scratch, I would go for a Cloudcars scimitar prop. The folks there usually
recommend a 76X38 prop for Piets with A-65s. That big swing and the scimitar
shape tend to maximize the thrust per rev, and the scimitar shape flattens out
in climb to allow full revs.
Jeff Boatright and Gene in TN got better results from their Piets after they switched
to Cloudcars. And they look great on the plane. Lastly Jay at Cloudcars
seems great to work with, as well. Check it out.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Charvet
Sent: Mar 22, 2010 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What size prop
I have a Sensenich 72X40, which is considered a climb prop on a Cub. It pulls
the full 2300 RPM in a climb, and I still cruise at 78 mph at 2100 rpm.
Ben
On 3/22/2010 5:30 PM, jeff wilson wrote:
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: What size prop |
We do get great performance with the Cloudcars prop and Jay is easy
to work with. I don't know about it flattening out in cruise. I think
it's the other way around. I'm not sure at all about this, just based
on what I've read. For instance:
Pitch change and the Scimitar shape
The propeller has a fixed pitch that relies on the forward pull of
the propeller to automatically provide pitch change proportional to
the amount of force being applied to the propeller disk. When a
propeller operates at a slower airspeed than its maximum capability,
it has a proportional pull in relation to the velocity of forward
motion, so at takeoff and climb, the propeller will have its largest
forward pull. Due to the scimitar shape, the tip of the propeller
cones forward, as the coning angle changes the propeller will lessen
pitch that provides shorter takeoffs and higher rates of climb. As
the propeller increases in forward speed the disk pressure is
reduced, this forces the propeller to increase pitch and top speed.
This change in pitch is approximately four inches from takeoff to
cruise.
This was taken from http://www.princeaircraft.com/TheProp.aspx
HTH,
Jeff
>
>Jeff,
>
>Ben is certainly getting excellent results with his prop. If I were
>starting from scratch, I would go for a Cloudcars scimitar prop.
>The folks there usually recommend a 76X38 prop for Piets with A-65s.
>That big swing and the scimitar shape tend to maximize the thrust
>per rev, and the scimitar shape flattens out in climb to allow full
>revs.
>
>Jeff Boatright and Gene in TN got better results from their Piets
>after they switched to Cloudcars. And they look great on the plane.
>Lastly Jay at Cloudcars seems great to work with, as well. Check it
>out.
>Tim in central TX
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ben Charvet
>Sent: Mar 22, 2010 4:35 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What size prop
>
>I have a Sensenich 72X40, which is considered a climb prop on a Cub.
>It pulls the full 2300 RPM in a climb, and I still cruise at 78 mph
>at 2100 rpm.
>
>Ben
>On 3/22/2010 5:30 PM, jeff wilson wrote:
>
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: What size prop |
Jeff,
NX18235 is flying with a 72 X 42 prop. Climb rate is 500+ fpm when the
airplane is light but falls to 200 fpm at heavier weights.
At 2050 rpm in level flight I am seeing about 72 - 75 mph. At 2150 rpm I
am seeing 78 - 82 mph.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: jeff wilson
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 4:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What size prop
I am building a Piet and have decided on the Continental A-65
and I want to hear from everyone.
What size prop are you using with the A-65?
Thanks, Jeff
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: What size prop |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
I'll second that. He and Carmen were pleasant to deal with...I'm sure the
prop will be top-notch....I'll let you know in two days when FedEx delivers
it! :)
Ryan
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Tim Willis wrote:
> timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
>
> Jeff,
>
>
Lastly Jay at Cloudcars seems great to work with, as well. Check it out.
> Tim in central TX
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: What size prop |
Jeff, look again.... I wrote that it flattened out in climb.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Boatright
Sent: Mar 22, 2010 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What size prop
We do get great performance with the Cloudcars prop and Jay is easy to work with.
I don't know about it flattening out in cruise. I think it's the other way
around. I'm not sure at all about this, just based on what I've read. For instance:
Pitch change and the Scimitar shape
The propeller has a fixed pitch that relies on the forward pull of the propeller
to automatically provide pitch change proportional to the amount of force being
applied to the propeller disk. When a propeller operates at a slower airspeed
than its maximum capability, it has a proportional pull in relation to the
velocity of forward motion, so at takeoff and climb, the propeller will have
its largest forward pull. Due to the scimitar shape, the tip of the propeller
cones forward, as the coning angle changes the propeller will lessen pitch that
provides shorter takeoffs and higher rates of climb. As the propeller increases
in forward speed the disk pressure is reduced, this forces the propeller to
increase pitch and top speed. This change in pitch is approximately four inches
from takeoff to cruise.
This was taken from http://www.princeaircraft.com/TheProp.aspx
HTH,
Jeff
Jeff,
Ben is certainly getting excellent results with his prop. If I were starting from
scratch, I would go for a Cloudcars scimitar prop. The folks there usually
recommend a 76X38 prop for Piets with A-65s. That big swing and the scimitar
shape tend to maximize the thrust per rev, and the scimitar shape flattens out
in climb to allow full revs.
Jeff Boatright and Gene in TN got better results from their Piets after they switched
to Cloudcars. And they look great on the plane. Lastly Jay at Cloudcars
seems great to work with, as well. Check it out.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Charvet
Sent: Mar 22, 2010 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What size prop
I have a Sensenich 72X40, which is considered a climb prop on a Cub. It pulls
the full 2300 RPM in a climb, and I still cruise at 78 mph at 2100 rpm.
Ben
On 3/22/2010 5:30 PM, jeff wilson wrote:
[EDITED]
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | Re: Messy shop, was Fuselage Update |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
My wife is Polish, and she has this in-bread cleaning lady thing going on.
It bothers her so much to see my shop/hangar, that she stays out of there
all together! She tries to tell me every move to make when I am inside,
but the hangar is MY realm. Now if I can just get rid of the cell phone
when I am out there. I purposefully made my hangar detached from my house
for that reason.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:37 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
a>
Oh yeah?
ell, I can't even FIND my dog in my workshop. (beat that)
BC
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Messy shop, was Fuselage Update |
Line your shop with copper foil and ground it.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Mar 23, 2010 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Messy shop, was Fuselage Update
My wife is Polish, and she has this in-bread cleaning lady thing going on. It bothers
her so much to see my shop/hangar, that she stays out of there all together!
She tries to tell me every move to make when I am inside, but the hangar
is MY realm. Now if I can just get rid of the cell phone when I am out there.
I purposefully made my hangar detached from my house for that reason.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:37 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
Oh yeah?
Well, I can't even FIND my dog in my workshop. (beat that)
BC
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| Subject: | Re: What size prop |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net> |
Re:I'll second that. He and Carmen were pleasant to deal with...I'm sure the prop
will be top-notch....I'll let you know in two days when FedEx delivers it!
Smile
Ryan
I have a prop ordered from Jay also. How about posting a hi-res picture when you
get it (Pleeeeze).
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Nice work Jack!
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Hey Jack, I was just pulling your chain.
As I wrote in my posting, I'm actually jealous. I wish my workspace was so tidy.
A clean workspace is MUCH easier to work in. Keep doing what you're doing. Maybe
I should just try to clean up my act a bit.
My workshop is out in the garage, so there's no dust working it's way into the
house (except what I carry in on my clothes, so I do try to eliminate that before
coming back in).
Now, if I could only find that dog...
BC
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jeff:
When I had the A65 on NX41CC it flew behind a
Hegy 72x42 wood prop. I think many/most Piets
with the A65 use something like that.
By the way, the Hegy may be for sale if anyone
is interested. $500.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Messy shop, was Fuselage Update |
I've seen your hangar, Dan... I'm sorry to tell you, but the Polish
Cleaning Lady has rubbed off on you. Just like my Polish Cleaning Lady
has rubbed off on me: I just got done cleaning the garage last week.
Now I've got a workbench that I can see the top of, and I even made some
sawdust in the process.
On 03/23/2010 06:33 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> My wife is Polish, and she has this in-bread cleaning lady thing going
> on. It bothers her so much to see my shop/hangar, that she stays out of
> there all together! She tries to tell me every move to make when I am
> inside, but the hangar is MY realm. Now if I can just get rid of the
> cell phone when I am out there. I purposefully made my hangar /detached/
> from my house for /that/ reason.
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 3:37 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church">
>
> Oh yeah?
> Well, I can't even FIND my dog in my workshop. (beat that)
>
> BC
>
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"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Template |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
The screw hole patterns for most common instruments can be found in Bingelis' books.
I can find them and scan to .pdf if you don't have the books.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: What size prop |
N8031 has a McCauley 7442 met-l-prop. Climb isn't stellar, but cruise
is 88-89mph at 2300RPM.
I am supremely jealous of the climb rates those Cloudcar Scimitars
produce...
On 03/22/2010 04:30 PM, jeff wilson wrote:
> I am building a Piet and have decided on the Continental A-65 and I want
> to hear from everyone.
> What size prop are you using with the A-65?
> Thanks, Jeff
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: What size prop |
Reading comprehension...I should try it some time! DOH!
>
>Jeff, look again.... I wrote that it flattened out in climb.
>Tim in central TX
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| From: | Mike King <mikek120(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What size prop |
How much are the Cloudcar Scimitars and where do you go to get one?
I have a McCaulley 69x39 metal prop (came with the plane) but feel
a longer prop would be better for the Cont. A-80.
Thanks
Mike King
77MK
GN-1
Corpus Christi
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
>Sent: Mar 23, 2010 11:14 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What size prop
>
>
>N8031 has a McCauley 7442 met-l-prop. Climb isn't stellar, but cruise
>is 88-89mph at 2300RPM.
>
>I am supremely jealous of the climb rates those Cloudcar Scimitars
>produce...
>
>On 03/22/2010 04:30 PM, jeff wilson wrote:
>> I am building a Piet and have decided on the Continental A-65 and I want
>> to hear from everyone.
>> What size prop are you using with the A-65?
>> Thanks, Jeff
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>--
>Dan Yocum
>Fermilab 630.840.6509
>yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Template |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Aircraft Spruce sells a metal hole template that works well for both
hole sizes, not real cheap though.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/panel_layout.php
rick
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Jack wrote:
> Did some test cutting with my new 3 1/8 forstner bit today, what a honking
> bit! Does anyone have a PDF for the instrument screw holes?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: What size prop |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net> |
A mahogany and maple scimitar prop for my Lycoming O-235 last December was $820.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Instrument Template |
Got them Oscar forgot they had them, thanks!
Jack
DSM
The screw hole patterns for most common instruments can be found in
Bingelis' books. I can find them and scan to .pdf if you don't have the
books.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| From: | Mike King <mikek120(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What size prop |
Thanks Jerry. Was that from Cloudcar and if so, how do you
get in touch with them?
Thanks.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson(at)erec.net>
>Sent: Mar 23, 2010 11:21 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What size prop
>
>
>A mahogany and maple scimitar prop for my Lycoming O-235 last December was $820.
>
>--------
>Jerry Dotson
>59 Daniel Johnson Rd
>Baker, FL 32531
>
>Started building NX510JD July, 2009
>Ribs and tailfeathers done
>using Lycoming O-235
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291435#291435
>
>
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | best link in a long time |
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php/86979-Best-duct
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NX140DL
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Cloudcars prop on N502R |
Here's a photo of the cloudcars prop (76x38) on my plane. Needless to
say, I love it. Being the first (that I know of) to put the 76 x 38 on
a A 65 Piet, Jay worked with me and even told me that after he made it,
if it didn't work out he would change it for free.
You can contact him at 325 356 2810 or e-mail him at cloudcars @
verizon.net. Tell him Gene from Tennessee said hi.
Gene
N502R
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Template |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
And if you are an EAA member, you can access the entire library of Sport Aviation
magazines online, and after a brief search, one is able to track down an article
like the attached. I love that feature.
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291472#291472
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/1984_05_13_945.pdf
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| From: | Dan Loegering <dan.loegering(at)odayequipment.com> |
| Subject: | Insurance question |
Ran into an odd situation recently and wanted to see what others have done in the
past, or are currently doing.
I recently sold my house and am renting now, so I switched to a renters insurance
policy. Since I was bored last night (the plane is still in storage for another
week) I was reading through the policy, and came across the statement that
"aircraft and aircraft parts are not covered." Huh?
Spoke to my agent today and he had never come across this either, did some research
and they do not cover aircraft or parts on ANY of their policies.
So my question is this - what, if anything, did you do to provide coverage for
your projects while they were in the project stage? I am simply looking to cover
my costs of materials in the event of theft, fire, etc... Is this something
that I should not worry about (I am normally a trusting individual, but the
new house is close to a high school and the garage is located in the alley - apparently
there have been issues in the past with some of the garages being used
as gathering places by the students) One neighbor suggested blocking the windows
and getting a bigger lock... I may not go to that extreme (it isn't THAT
bad of a neighborhood...) but I will definitely be putting in a new lock.
It will be nice to get back to building though - time to make more sawdust and
grind some metal!
Dan Loegering
Fargo, ND
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance question |
Contact your local police and ask them how serious they'd estimate your
local threat is.
If their estimate seems more than you are comfortable with, contact an
aircraft insurance broker to arrange for coverage while building. It is
available.
David Paule
Ran into an odd situation recently and wanted to see what others have done
in the past, or are currently doing.
I recently sold my house and am renting now, so I switched to a renters
insurance policy. Since I was bored last night (the plane is still in
storage for another week) I was reading through the policy, and came across
the statement that "aircraft and aircraft parts are not covered." Huh?
Spoke to my agent today and he had never come across this either, did some
research and they do not cover aircraft or parts on ANY of their policies.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance question |
It might also be possible to buy a rider to cover your airplane stuff.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: David Paule <dpaule(at)frii.com>
>Sent: Mar 23, 2010 6:58 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance question
>
>
>Contact your local police and ask them how serious they'd estimate your
>local threat is.
>
>If their estimate seems more than you are comfortable with, contact an
>aircraft insurance broker to arrange for coverage while building. It is
>available.
>
>David Paule
>
>
>
>
>Ran into an odd situation recently and wanted to see what others have done
>in the past, or are currently doing.
>
>I recently sold my house and am renting now, so I switched to a renters
>insurance policy. Since I was bored last night (the plane is still in
>storage for another week) I was reading through the policy, and came across
>the statement that "aircraft and aircraft parts are not covered." Huh?
>
>Spoke to my agent today and he had never come across this either, did some
>research and they do not cover aircraft or parts on ANY of their policies.
>
>
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance question |
If all you are concerned about is recouping the cost of raw materials,
then who's to say you are building an airplane? It could be a one-off
wooden boat of your own design, a large weathervane for your
yard....find out what won't be an issue and call it that. Keep a list
of receipts or documentation for your raw materials for valuation
purposes if something is stolen. Kind of like the Feds....don't tell
them anymore than they need to know. :P
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 23, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Dan Loegering wrote:
> >
>
> Ran into an odd situation recently and wanted to see what others
> have done in the past, or are currently doing.
>
> I recently sold my house and am renting now, so I switched to a
> renters insurance policy. Since I was bored last night (the plane
> is still in storage for another week) I was reading through the
> policy, and came across the statement that "aircraft and aircraft
> parts are not covered." Huh?
>
> Spoke to my agent today and he had never come across this either,
> did some research and they do not cover aircraft or parts on ANY of
> their policies.
>
> So my question is this - what, if anything, did you do to provide
> coverage for your projects while they were in the project stage? I
> am simply looking to cover my costs of materials in the event of
> theft, fire, etc... Is this something that I should not worry about
> (I am normally a trusting individual, but the new house is close to
> a high school and the garage is located in the alley - apparently
> there have been issues in the past with some of the garages being
> used as gathering places by the students) One neighbor suggested
> blocking the windows and getting a bigger lock... I may not go to
> that extreme (it isn't THAT bad of a neighborhood...) but I will
> definitely be putting in a new lock.
>
> It will be nice to get back to building though - time to make more
> sawdust and grind some metal!
>
> Dan Loegering
> Fargo, ND
>
>
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Cloudcars prop on N502R |
Gene,
Beautiful prop and Piet!
Jack
DSM
Here's a photo of the cloudcars prop (76x38) on my plane. Needless to say,
I love it. Being the first (that I know of) to put the 76 x 38 on a A 65
Piet, Jay worked with me and even told me that after he made it, if it
didn't work out he would change it for free.
You can contact him at 325 356 2810 or e-mail him at cloudcars @
verizon.net. Tell him Gene from Tennessee said hi.
Gene
N502R
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Insurance question |
Tell 'em those ashes were fom a boat you were building. An Airboat, which
explains the Continental engine.
Now I'll have a bit more 'splaining to do to recover anything from the RV-10
project in my basement.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Loegering
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Insurance question
Ran into an odd situation recently and wanted to see what others have done
in the past, or are currently doing.
I recently sold my house and am renting now, so I switched to a renters
insurance policy. Since I was bored last night (the plane is still in
storage for another week) I was reading through the policy, and came across
the statement that "aircraft and aircraft parts are not covered." Huh?
Spoke to my agent today and he had never come across this either, did some
research and they do not cover aircraft or parts on ANY of their policies.
So my question is this - what, if anything, did you do to provide coverage
for your projects while they were in the project stage? I am simply looking
to cover my costs of materials in the event of theft, fire, etc... Is this
something that I should not worry about (I am normally a trusting
individual, but the new house is close to a high school and the garage is
located in the alley - apparently there have been issues in the past with
some of the garages being used as gathering places by the students) One
neighbor suggested blocking the windows and getting a bigger lock... I may
not go to that extreme (it isn't THAT bad of a neighborhood...) but I will
definitely be putting in a new lock.
It will be nice to get back to building though - time to make more sawdust
and grind some metal!
Dan Loegering
Fargo, ND
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Mini Piet fly in, Gum Creek Airport in GA |
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Mini Piet fly in, Gum Creek Airport in GA |
Absolutely! I was out flying 1EE this evening. Ya'll shoulda called,
I'd've flown over!
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| Subject: | Re: Cloudcars prop on N502R |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net> |
Gene what did he put on the leading edge for protection? I can't ell in the photo.
Just wondering. Boy that thing is purty.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291515#291515
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| Subject: | Re: What size prop |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net> |
Jay Anderson
CLOUDCARS
325-356-2810
cloudcars(AT)verizon.net
That is what I have in my address book
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291520#291520
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| From: | jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Cloudcar Scimitar Propellers |
Gentleman,
-
I inquired about what prop to use with an A-65 and many of responded and fo
r that I thankyou.--A couple of you mentioned a Cloudcar Scimitar. I di
d some research and the scimitar design sounds great except for short lifes
pan of maybe 500 hours. Well I may not fly more than 100 hours a year so th
ats not so bad, but using 3 different search engines, I cannot find anythin
g about a Cloudcar prop. So can you tell me please, where are they and what
s their phone number?-What is the name of the company? Maybe they just do
n't have a presence on the internet.
Thanks,
-
Jeff Wilson
GN-1
St. Louis, MO=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Cloudcar Scimitar Propellers |
Jeff,
I did not know about the short lifespan. Could you send us some links
or other information on that?
Thanks,
Jeff
>Gentleman,
>
>I inquired about what prop to use with an A-65 and many of responded
>and for that I thankyou. A couple of you mentioned a Cloudcar
>Scimitar. I did some research and the scimitar design sounds great
>except for short lifespan of maybe 500 hours. Well I may not fly
>more than 100 hours a year so thats not so bad, but using 3
>different search engines, I cannot find anything about a Cloudcar
>prop. So can you tell me please, where are they and whats their
>phone number? What is the name of the company? Maybe they just don't
>have a presence on the internet.
>Thanks,
>
>Jeff Wilson
>GN-1
>St. Louis, MO
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cloudcar Scimitar Propellers |
Jeff, here is contact info for Cloudcars. Someone provided this info in the last
few days on our site, but this is from my contact with the company.
Jay Anderson CLOUDCARS 325-356-2810 cloudcars(at)verizon.net
I am sure that the alleged longevity issues you mention are news to all of us.
Jay at Cloudcars should be able to dispel any concerns.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: jeff wilson
Sent: Mar 24, 2010 7:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cloudcar Scimitar Propellers
Gentleman,
I inquired about what prop to use with an A-65 and many of responded and for that
I thankyou. A couple of you mentioned a Cloudcar Scimitar. I did some research
and the scimitar design sounds great except for short lifespan of maybe 500
hours. Well I may not fly more than 100 hours a year so thats not so bad, but
using 3 different search engines, I cannot find anything about a Cloudcar prop.
So can you tell me please, where are they and whats their phone number? What
is the name of the company? Maybe they just don't have a presence on the internet.
Thanks,
Jeff Wilson
GN-1
St. Louis, MO
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | A message from Cloudcars re scimitar props |
I asked Jay at Cloudcars about the alleged longevity issue. This is his reply.
He will also post this same or similar info to our site when Matt Dralle recognizes
his membership and allows him to post.
Tim in central TX
==============
In reply to the comments about our propellers' lifespan.....
Before everyone goes into a panic, I'd like to clear up a possible misunderstanding!!!!
The Scimitars that we cut are NOT "true functioning" Scimitars. They are a "profile
Scimitar" (basically like a club profile). All propeller blades will flex.
A true functioning Scimitar is designed to flex a lot more than a conventional
propeller, and along more of the blade span. On a true functioning Scimitar the
lams are vertical instead of horizontal, so as to amplify the woods flexing
characteristics. This is not so with our Scimitars.
Our lams are a conventional horizontal sandwich or stack, just like Sensenich and
others.
The airfoil is cut the same also. There is a slight flexing at the tip, which is
common in all propellers, especially those with a blade sweep. I'm not sure
how someone came up with 500 hours.....all woods have different characteristics
and there is no way this could be applied in a concrete way. If any of you
guys have knowledge of bow making/archery, especially long bows...this might help
to explain the different characteristics of wood elasticity.
You won't find us on the internet, we don't have a website, or advertise any more.
All of our business is by referral and word of mouth.
If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
Jay Anderson
CLOUDCARS
cloudcars(at)verizon.net
325-356-2810
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: A message from Cloudcars re scimitar props |
Not mentioned is the effect of solid versus lamination or if there is
any effect. My prop is solid, most everyone else buys laminated. I'm
really cheap.
>
>
>I asked Jay at Cloudcars about the alleged longevity issue. This is
>his reply. He will also post this same or similar info to our site
>when Matt Dralle recognizes his membership and allows him to post.
>Tim in central TX
>==============
>
>In reply to the comments about our propellers' lifespan.....
>Before everyone goes into a panic, I'd like to clear up a possible
>misunderstanding!!!!
>
>The Scimitars that we cut are NOT "true functioning" Scimitars. They
>are a "profile
>Scimitar" (basically like a club profile). All propeller blades will flex.
>A true functioning Scimitar is designed to flex a lot more than a
>conventional propeller, and along more of the blade span. On a true
>functioning Scimitar the lams are vertical instead of horizontal, so
>as to amplify the woods flexing characteristics. This is not so with
>our Scimitars.
>
>Our lams are a conventional horizontal sandwich or stack, just like
>Sensenich and others.
>The airfoil is cut the same also. There is a slight flexing at the
>tip, which is common in all propellers, especially those with a
>blade sweep. I'm not sure how someone came up with 500 hours.....all
>woods have different characteristics and there is no way this could
>be applied in a concrete way. If any of you guys have knowledge of
>bow making/archery, especially long bows...this might help to
>explain the different characteristics of wood elasticity.
>
>You won't find us on the internet, we don't have a website, or
>advertise any more.
>All of our business is by referral and word of mouth.
>
>If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
>Jay Anderson
>CLOUDCARS
>cloudcars(at)verizon.net
>325-356-2810
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
But Bill, seeing how I like to change things AND NOT do what others do, I'l
l have to make my single wheel landing gear retractable, but no heavier the
n a single fixed! ( Now I have to machine a crank handle, gears, shafts...)
-
I agree with the others as well Jack, very nice fuse. To me, it has been th
e most fun part to work on.
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| From: | "Ed G." <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Everyone out there in Pietland. Has anyone out there run their rudder c
ables directly to the rudder horn as per the plans? I drilled a couple litt
le holes in my seat back and ran some string and except for the asthetics o
f haveing the cable in the rear pit it seems to work out really nice and si
mple and Tony B. recommends it. AND those who have run them under the se
at.. I have seen pics of pulleys behind the seat to turn the cables up. do
they run directly to the rudder from there or is there another pulley or fa
irlead at the rear used to turn the cable angle back down?? Thanks in adva
nce Ed G.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Potentially stupid question but...
Are GPS speeds ground speeds or do they have some way to figure out your
airspeed?
I'm assuming it can only track you against the ground, but who knows these
days.
Thanks
Douwe
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder cables |
Ed:
I ran the cables from the rudder bar to a set of dual pulleys directly
behind the pilot's seat back. One pulley directs the cable up to the
rudder horn and the second directs a second cable down to the tail wheel
steering horn. There is a small wood fairlead installed on the rudder
cables at the point where the cables will exit the airplane. This
fairlead is not so much to change cable direction as it is to minimize the
size of the slot through the fabric covering material by holding cable
movement at that point to just in and out. Sorry, I don't have any photos
available at this time.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X (eventually)
>>I have seen pics of pulleys behind the seat to turn the cables up. do
they run directly to the rudder from there or is there another pulley or
fairlead at the rear used to turn the >>cable angle back down?? Thanks in
advance Ed G.
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Cloudcars prop: correcting myself |
I stated yesterday that my Cloudcars prop is solid and not laminated.
Jay kindly corrected me - all of his props are laminated, it's just
that some have alternating woods that are distinctly different in
color. My prop is of the same wood stained so dark (my preference)
that I couldn't tell.
I was up yesterday evening flying. Super still air. It was a good
reminder of how much a difference this prop makes. Great climb and no
loss of speed at cruise or top rpm. In fact, I was playing around
flying loose formation with another guy from 2GA9. To catch up to him
I was running at 2500 rpm and approaching 100 mph. That is really
fast for our Piet! Once I caught up, we slow-flighted around for
about a half hour. I was running at 1850-1900 rpm, which gave level
flight at 55-60 mph. Boy, that was a lot of fun! I think I was right
at the peak of the power curve. Any slower and I would have had to
increase rpm to maintain level flight. Any more rpm, and I picked up
speed.
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
ground speeds
-----Original Message-----
>From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
>Sent: Mar 25, 2010 8:58 AM
>To: pietenpolgroup
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: gps speed
>
>
>Potentially stupid question but...
>
>Are GPS speeds ground speeds or do they have some way to figure out your
>airspeed?
>
>I'm assuming it can only track you against the ground, but who knows these
>days.
>
>Thanks
>
>Douwe
>
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Douwe,
GPS indicated your speed over the ground. It is really nice when you're coming
home from Wisconsin and sometimes it says 90 or 95 in a Pietenpol. Likewise
it is laborious westbound sometimes when it says horrible things like 50, 55....
Mike C.
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder cables |
Ed,
I ran mine back to a pair of pullies basically one stage ahead of the
point of the pivot of the swingarm of the original tailwheel. Then to
the tailwheel, hooked to it with springs.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed G.
To: piet-list piet-list
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder cables
Hi Everyone out there in Pietland. Has anyone out there run their
rudder cables directly to the rudder horn as per the plans? I drilled a
couple little holes in my seat back and ran some string and except for
the asthetics of haveing the cable in the rear pit it seems to work out
really nice and simple and Tony B. recommends it. AND those who have
run them under the seat.. I have seen pics of pulleys behind the seat to
turn the cables up. do they run directly to the rudder from there or is
there another pulley or fairlead at the rear used to turn the cable
angle back down?? Thanks in advance Ed G.
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
ground speed
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: gps speed
Potentially stupid question but...
Are GPS speeds ground speeds or do they have some way to figure out
your
airspeed?
I'm assuming it can only track you against the ground, but who knows
these
days.
Thanks
Douwe
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | FAA issues warning about homebuilt Lancairs |
FAA Issues Safety Warning for Homemade Planes
AP
The Federal Aviation Administration warned pilots that the Lancair, which i
s built from kits, and others like it are apt to stall at speeds higher tha
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WASHINGTON -- Federal officials say high-performance homemade planes like t
he one that killed a beach jogger last week in South Carolina are likely to
stall at higher speeds and have been involved in a disproportionately larg
e number of fatal accidents.
The Federal Aviation Administration warned pilots on Thursday that the Lanc
air, which is built from kits, and others like it are apt to stall at speed
s higher that 61 mph. The agency also cautioned that since the planes are b
uilt by amateurs, there can be differences in performance, including at wha
t speed they might stall.
Lancair kits are made by Lancair International Inc. of Redmond, Ore.
Pharmaceutical salesman Robert Gary Jones was killed on a Hilton Head Islan
d beach as the pilot of a Lancair tried to land the plane.
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
Hi Douwe,
On 03/25/2010 08:58 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg"
>
> Potentially stupid question but...
>
> Are GPS speeds ground speeds or do they have some way to figure out your
> airspeed?
>
> I'm assuming it can only track you against the ground, but who knows these
> days.
Not unless there's an ASI hooked up to your GPS unit will it show actual
airspeed - it only shows ground speed.
The hangliding/soaring community has some spiffy handheld
GPS/ASI/barometric devices. They come with a little fan that you stick
out into the slipstream.
Since I'm assuming you're wondering about calibrating your ASI, use this
method to determine the real vs. displayed air speeds.
Get a winds aloft report to determine the direction of the wind, then
fly into the wind for a minute to get an accurate reading. Then using
the same power setting, turn around and fly with the wind for a minute.
Average the 2 speeds and voila! there you have it. You should do it
for at least 3 power settings to see if the difference between real and
indicated is linear or some strange exponential curve.
Cheers,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder cables |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
The cables on 41CC are run in parallel from the rudder bar back to the tail. I
don't remember exactly what happens under the seat but it's pretty simple...
fairleads, I think, and after passing under the seat they diverge with the rudder
cables shooting straight on back to the rudder horns but the tailwheel steering
cables following the lower longerons to those hard molded plastic fairleads
a couple of stations forward of the tailpost, where they dive out the sides
to the steering horns on the tailwheel.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291737#291737
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| Subject: | Re: FAA issues warning about homebuilt Lancairs |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks for the warning. Should I mark the airspeed indicator with the lower end
of the green arc at 61 MPH now? That's just below cruise speed ;o)
Pretty soon the bureaucrats will be trying to regulate, dictate, mandate, and obfuscate
everything except what their REAL business is and we'll have so many
safety labels, warnings, placards, operating instructions, limitations, decals,
permits, certificates, and other junk all over the airplane that we won't need
any paint on them at all (latex or otherwise).
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291738#291738
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| From: | "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net> |
Well if you have a 30 thousand $ stack like this one and know how to fiddle
with all the knobs it will even give you airspeed calibrated for altitude
but on your regular handhelds, no.
Michael in Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
> Are GPS speeds ground speeds or do they have some way to figure out your
> airspeed?
>
> I'm assuming it can only track you against the ground, but who knows these
> days.
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| From: | Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FAA issues warning about homebuilt Lancairs |
What does any of this have to do with the incident on the beach?
The AP reported this? Sheesh...
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
On Mar 25, 2010, at 5:33 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation]" wrote:
>
> FAA Issues Safety Warning for Homemade Planes
> AP
> The Federal Aviation Administration warned pilots that the Lancair,
> which is built from kits, and others like it are apt to stall at
> speeds higher that 61 mph.
> print
> email
> share
> recommend (0)
> Independent Bitmap) 3.jpg>
> WASHINGTON -- Federal officials say high-performance homemade planes
> like the one that killed a beach jogger last week in South Carolina
> are likely to stall at higher speeds and have been involved in a
> disproportionately large number of fatal accidents.
> The Federal Aviation Administration warned pilots on Thursday that
> the Lancair, which is built from kits, and others like it are apt to
> stall at speeds higher that 61 mph. The agency also cautioned that
> since the planes are built by amateurs, there can be differences in
> performance, including at what speed they might stall.
> Lancair kits are made by Lancair International Inc. of Redmond, Ore.
> Pharmaceutical salesman Robert Gary Jones was killed on a Hilton
> Head Island beach as the pilot of a Lancair tried to land the plane.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
So exactly where is this wheel retracted to?
It seems to me it could get pretty funky retracted
to the rear. New meaning to the expression
" crotch rocket" . He! he!
Clif
"There are many tunes still to be written in the Key of C."
Arnold Schoenberg
But Bill, seeing how I like to change things AND NOT do what
others do, I'll have to make my single wheel landing gear retractable,
but no heavier then a single fixed! ( Now I have to machine a crank
handle, gears, shafts...)
.M Perez
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder cables |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
The important thing is, the tail wheel control arms, at the rudder, must rotate
the same degree as the rudder, IE. same lengths on each arm or you will experience
a very serious problem of tail end control.
Pieti Lowell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291767#291767
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Shock Mounted Instruments |
Tony Bingelis recommends shock mounts for gyros, specifically directional
and attitude indicators. Anybody shock mounting their turn and banks? I'm
planning for an electric model.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder cables |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
well, I don't have my airplane here to be able to check the lengths of the tailwheel
and rudder bellcrank horns but looking at the picture, they are pretty close
to the same length if not just a tad shorter for the tailwheel ones. The
tailwheel bellcrank horns have several different holes that the springs and cables
can be hooked up to for different leverage but I've left them where Corky
had them and it seems to track and handle just fine.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291790#291790
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| From: | jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Scimitar prop short life |
Regarding the scimitar shape prop,
-
The info I have is just word of mouth from a conversation I had not long ag
o regarding the true scimitar shape props with vertical laminations.
Related to me were the experiences that Wittman had using a Scimitar prop o
n his racers, and that they did not last long over 500 hours. But that's an
cient history now. I trust that is not an issue with modern wooden props th
at use horizontal laminations, and are considered a semi-scimitar shape.
I am still somewhere on the learning curve. For instance I had to do a lot
of research and reading to convince myself to accept the under camber desig
n of the wing for the Piet/GN-1. Don't ask me where I found confirmation fo
r my under camber question, I don't take very good notes ( I think I used t
hat napkin then threw it away).
-
Jeff Wilson
GN-1
St. Louis, MO
-=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | happy birthday to Jeff, happy birthday to Jeff |
Happy birthday you Pietenpol Pilot you Jeff Boatright, happy birthday to yo
u.
See what crap everyone knows when you're on Facebook ?
You already got your birthday present by getting to fly slow flight formati
on with that other gent
the other night in that silky smooth air so don't expect anything to show u
p via UPS from us listers
here okay ? Doesn't mean we don't like you though.
Mike C.
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: happy birthday to Jeff, happy birthday to Jeff |
Hey, I get two birthdays this year! My real one is in August.
I'll check my Facebook account, but you may have me mixed up with the
other Jeff Boatright (there is at least one other on Facebook).
There's even another Jeff Boatright who lives about mile from me in
Decatur. Oddly enough, we're all pudgy, balding white guys of about
the same age.
However, I encourage you: Accept No Substitutes! I am the one true
Jeff Boatright!!
>Happy birthday you Pietenpol Pilot you Jeff Boatright, happy birthday to you.
>
>See what crap everyone knows when you're on Facebook ?
>
>You already got your birthday present by getting to fly slow flight
>formation with that other gent
>the other night in that silky smooth air so don't expect anything to
>show up via UPS from us listers
>here okay ? Doesn't mean we don't like you though.
>
>Mike C.
>
>
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| From: | "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Shock Mounted Instruments |
My Cessna 180 and the old Cessna 170 that I used to have, both had the
whole panel shock-mounted. The shock mounts are Cessna p/n 0411059-1
and the panel, as stock with 16 to 18 instruments, took six of them.
When the 180 was 31 years old, I replaced them all, and they were
clearly due for replacement at that time.
David Paule
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shock Mounted Instruments
Tony Bingelis recommends shock mounts for gyros, specifically
directional and attitude indicators. Anybody shock mounting their turn
and banks? I'm planning for an electric model.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Two years ago enroute to Brodhead over the Blue Ridge Mountains in my
Pietenpol the GPS indicated my groundspeed was 27 knots. Somewhat
discouraging.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:35 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: gps speed
Aerospace Corporation]"
Douwe,
GPS indicated your speed over the ground. It is really nice when you're
coming home from Wisconsin and sometimes it says 90 or 95 in a Pietenpol.
Likewise it is laborious westbound sometimes when it says horrible things
like 50, 55....
Mike C.
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder cables |
Oscar,
Thanks for the picture. I noticed when you "attach" pictures they are in a
link form below the attachment area. How is that done?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
well, I don't have my airplane here to be able to check the lengths of the
tailwheel and rudder bellcrank horns but looking at the picture, they are
pretty close to the same length if not just a tad shorter for the tailwheel
ones. The tailwheel bellcrank horns have several different holes that the
springs and cables can be hooked up to for different leverage but I've left
them where Corky had them and it seems to track and handle just fine.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291790#291790
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/p6090001_511.jpg
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | C-90 GPU For Sale |
I received a response to my "wanted" post in Craigslist for an engine.
Since I already :-) have one I wanted to share. I ask the gent to share
more info but have not heard back. He responded with;
I have a C-90 GPU engine that I will let you have for $1,500
Joseph Stephenson
micahstephenson(at)aol.com
Jack
DSM
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| From: | "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com> |
| Subject: | Flathead Spring Compressor Available |
A friend of mine has a flathead valve spring compressor that he'd like
to see go to a good home.
Email me directly and I'll forward it to him.
David Paule
dpaule(at)frii.com
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: C-90 GPU For Sale |
Jack,
I guess I'm not up on the nomenclature - what does GPU stand for?
Thanks,
Dan
On 03/26/2010 12:54 PM, Jack wrote:
> I received a response to my wanted post in Craigslist for an engine.
> Since I already J have one I wanted to share. I ask the gent to share
> more info but have not heard back. He responded with;
>
> I have a C-90 GPU engine that I will let you have for $1,500
>
> Joseph Stephenson
>
> micahstephenson(at)aol.com
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder cables |
I have a Maule tailwheel on my Piet, and started out using the horns
that came with it. With full rudder deflection, the tailwheel would
kick over far enough to go free castoring, which made for some
embarassing taxiing incidents. I went back and welded extensions on to
make the horns the same length as the rudder horns, and that fixed the
problem.. It doesnt turn as sharp as I'd like, but I drilled extra holes
1 inch in from the ends so I could adjust the throw.
Ben Charvet
NX866BC
15.2 hours on Hobbs
Still hoping for Sun-N-Fun
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: C-90 GPU For Sale |
Ground power unit. In other words, a C-90 that needs to be modified
to work as an aircraft engine. May or may not be made/maintained with
airworthy parts. Will need second sparkplug holes drilled, carb and
intakes changed, etc. All for the price of a running A-65. OTOH, this
may be a good price for an airboat engine.
>
>Jack,
>
>I guess I'm not up on the nomenclature - what does GPU stand for?
>
>Thanks,
>Dan
>
>
>On 03/26/2010 12:54 PM, Jack wrote:
>>I received a response to my "wanted" post in Craigslist for an engine.
>>Since I already J have one I wanted to share. I ask the gent to share
>>more info but have not heard back. He responded with;
>>
>>I have a C-90 GPU engine that I will let you have for $1,500
>>
>>Joseph Stephenson
>>
>>micahstephenson(at)aol.com
>>
>>Jack
>>
>>DSM
>>
>>*
>>
>>
>>*
>
>--
>Dan Yocum
>Fermilab 630.840.6509
>yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: C-90 GPU For Sale |
I believe that was a "ground power unit." Various branches of the military used
everything from A-40s on up to power electric generators. After all, they are
light, air-cooled, etc.
If this is right, and it was hooked to a gen, you'll have to look at what it takes
to add a propeller and whatever else it takes to make it a real aircraft engine.
For instance, I would guess that the carb on a GPU might be on top of
the engine, as on an auto, but I am guessing.
Others on the board must know a lot more about this than I do.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
>Sent: Mar 26, 2010 2:10 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale
>
>
>Jack,
>
>I guess I'm not up on the nomenclature - what does GPU stand for?
>
>Thanks,
>Dan
>
>
>On 03/26/2010 12:54 PM, Jack wrote:
>> I received a response to my wanted post in Craigslist for an engine.
>> Since I already J have one I wanted to share. I ask the gent to share
>> more info but have not heard back. He responded with;
>>
>> I have a C-90 GPU engine that I will let you have for $1,500
>>
>> Joseph Stephenson
>>
>> micahstephenson(at)aol.com
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> DSM
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>--
>Dan Yocum
>Fermilab 630.840.6509
>yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dave Abramson" <davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com> |
| Subject: | C-90 GPU For Sale |
Ground Power Unit
DIT-VIT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale
Jack,
I guess I'm not up on the nomenclature - what does GPU stand for?
Thanks,
Dan
On 03/26/2010 12:54 PM, Jack wrote:
> I received a response to my wanted post in Craigslist for an engine.
> Since I already J have one I wanted to share. I ask the gent to share
> more info but have not heard back. He responded with;
>
> I have a C-90 GPU engine that I will let you have for $1,500
>
> Joseph Stephenson
>
> micahstephenson(at)aol.com
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Front seat front support |
I see the prints show the front (passenger) seat front support plywood goin
g from the top of seat- down to the bottom sides of the fuselage. Can thi
s piece just be the same size as the front of the seat, (square) or does it
need to extend to the sides of the fuselage?-
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: C-90 GPU For Sale |
| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
Yes, it is a Ground Power Unit, used as generator engine in Airforce
Single downdraft Stromberg on top of the engine.
I have one, bought three years ago for $400.-- partial rebuild and convert
ed for aircraft use.
I would not pay $ 1,500.-- for this
Just my 2 c
Hans
Corvair powered NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale
net>
I believe that was a "ground power unit." Various branches of the militar
y used
verything from A-40s on up to power electric generators. After all, they
are
ight, air-cooled, etc.
If this is right, and it was hooked to a gen, you'll have to look at what
it
akes to add a propeller and whatever else it takes to make it a real aircr
aft
ngine. For instance, I would guess that the carb on a GPU might be on top
of
he engine, as on an auto, but I am guessing.
Others on the board must know a lot more about this than I do.
im in central TX
----Original Message-----
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Sent: Mar 26, 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale
Jack,
I guess I'm not up on the nomenclature - what does GPU stand for?
Thanks,
Dan
On 03/26/2010 12:54 PM, Jack wrote:
> I received a response to my =9Cwanted=9D post in Craigslist
for an engine.
> Since I already J have one I wanted to share. I ask the gent to share
> more info but have not heard back. He responded with;
>
> I have a C-90 GPU engine that I will let you have for $1,500
>
> Joseph Stephenson
>
> micahstephenson(at)aol.com
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Front seat front support |
Mike-my gut tells me that it needs to extend to the sides of the fuselage b
ecause it acts as a fuselage bulkhead/ twisting
stiffener if I'm picturing your question correctly in my head.
Mike C.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support
I see the prints show the front (passenger) seat front support plywood goin
g from the top of seat down to the bottom sides of the fuselage. Can this
piece just be the same size as the front of the seat, (square) or does it n
eed to extend to the sides of the fuselage?
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 cabane length |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
[/quote]
Rick and others,
It looks like the concensus for Piet plans is 1" longer for the front. I will
have to do some looking at my Piet plans (I have both Piet and GN-1 drawings)
and see what 1" does as far as the angle of incidence. I will report back. Seems
like with a few GN-1 builders out there it would be good to settle this as
there is no support from Don Grega.[/quote]
Just to put a cap on this, I measured both the GN-1 airfoil and Piet airfoil and
put the dimensions in Cad so I could measure the angle of incidence with different
length cabanes. Here is what I found.
GN-1 with equal length struts front and back the angle of incidence is 1.75 degrees.
GN-1 with front struts 5/8" longer than rear the angle is 3 degrees
Piet with front struts 1" longer than rear (accepted standard) is 3.25 deg.
My GN-1 struts are equal length and I am going to leave them that way and try them.
I have figured and easy way to add length if I need to without building
new struts.
Jon C.
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291851#291851
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: C-90 GPU For Sale |
Has the engine in question been converted to aircraft use? If so,
that could change the discussion and question of value considerably.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
On Mar 26, 2010, at 4:09 PM, hvandervoo(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Yes, it is a Ground Power Unit, used as generator engine in Airforce
>
> Single downdraft Stromberg on top of the engine.
>
> I have one, bought three years ago for $400.-- partial rebuild and
> converted for aircraft use.
>
> I would not pay $ 1,500.-- for this
>
> Just my 2 c
>
>
> Hans
> Corvair powered NX15KV
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 2:19 pm
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale
>
>
>
> I believe that was a "ground power unit." Various branches of the
> military used
> everything from A-40s on up to power electric generators. After
> all, they are
> light, air-cooled, etc.
>
> If this is right, and it was hooked to a gen, you'll have to look at
> what it
> takes to add a propeller and whatever else it takes to make it a
> real aircraft
> engine. For instance, I would guess that the carb on a GPU might be
> on top of
> the engine, as on an auto, but I am guessing.
>
> Others on the board must know a lot more about this than I do.
> Tim in central TX
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
> >Sent: Mar 26, 2010 2:10 PM
> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale
> >
> >
> >Jack,
> >
> >I guess I'm not up on the nomenclature - what does GPU stand for?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Dan
> >
> >
> >On 03/26/2010 12:54 PM, Jack wrote:
> >> I received a response to my =9Cwanted=9D post in
Craigslist for an
> engine.
> >> Since I already J have one I wanted to share. I ask the gent to
> share
> >> more info but have not heard back. He responded with;
> >>
> >> I have a C-90 GPU engine that I will let you have for $1,500
> >>
> >> Joseph Stephenson
> >>
> >> micahstephenson(at)aol.com
> >>
> >> Jack
> >>
> >> DSM
> >>
> >> *
> >>
> >>
> >> *
> >
> >--
> >Dan Yocum
> >Fermilab 630.840.6509
> >yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> >"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder cables |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Ben,
You see, the exact problem you have experienced, is why I suggested when the length
of the horns are not correct there could be a problem, a very big problem.
I also had the tail wheel horns too short and when the tail lifted, there wasn't
enough rudder to keep me on the runway, as the rudder was fully pushed, one
direction was restricted in defection, and off the runway we went, Wife on
board: And explain that maneuver NOT !
The steerable -full swivel, (Ala, Ken Perkins design ),can be a problem also, if
one kicks a full rudder and it might unlock the tail wheel, Something like
a landing on 36L at EAA with a 20 knot wind from the 270 quadrant. And the Piet
under 20 Knots.
Pieti Lowell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291855#291855
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Front seat front support |
I believe=C2- you are thinking of the right thing Mike. I looked at it an
d thought it needed to extend to sides for a reason, it just looks inadequa
te to really do much in my eyes. Those ears get some holes in them for the
rudder cables as well. I guess there is a reason for them to be extended, I
just have a hard time seeing it...being such a small piece.
=C2-
Any other thoughts?
--- On Fri, 3/26/10, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
wrote:
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] <michael.d.cuy
@nasa.gov>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 4:14 PM
Mike=94my gut tells me that it needs to extend to the sides of the fu
selage because it acts as a fuselage bulkhead/ twisting
stiffener if I=99m picturing your question correctly in my head.
=C2-
Mike C.
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support
=C2-
I see the prints show the front (passenger) seat front support plywood goin
g from the top of seat=C2- down to the bottom sides of the fuselage. Can
this piece just be the same size as the front of the seat, (square) or does
it need to extend to the sides of the fuselage?=C2- =C2- =C2-http:/
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder cables |
Pietri,
With the tail horns too short the rudder would react more and get
quicker rudder response.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Pieti Lowell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder cables
Ben,
You see, the exact problem you have experienced, is why I suggested
when the length of the horns are not correct there could be a problem, a
very big problem. I also had the tail wheel horns too short and when the
tail lifted, there wasn't enough rudder to keep me on the runway, as the
rudder was fully pushed, one direction was restricted in defection, and
off the runway we went, Wife on board: And explain that maneuver NOT !
The steerable -full swivel, (Ala, Ken Perkins design ),can be a
problem also, if one kicks a full rudder and it might unlock the tail
wheel, Something like a landing on 36L at EAA with a 20 knot wind from
the 270 quadrant. And the Piet under 20 Knots.
Pieti Lowell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291855#291855
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | C-90 GPU For Sale |
Wayne and others.that's all the info I have. I have no idea if it's good,
bad, high or low time operated by a Great Grandma on Sundays only.
Jack
DSM
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Bressler
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale
Has the engine in question been converted to aircraft use? If so, that
could change the discussion and question of value considerably.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
On Mar 26, 2010, at 4:09 PM, hvandervoo(at)aol.com wrote:
Yes, it is a Ground Power Unit, used as generator engine in Airforce
Single downdraft Stromberg on top of the engine.
I have one, bought three years ago for $400.-- partial rebuild and converted
for aircraft use.
I would not pay $ 1,500.-- for this
Just my 2 c
Hans
Corvair powered NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale
timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
I believe that was a "ground power unit." Various branches of the military
used
everything from A-40s on up to power electric generators. After all, they
are
light, air-cooled, etc.
If this is right, and it was hooked to a gen, you'll have to look at what it
takes to add a propeller and whatever else it takes to make it a real
aircraft
engine. For instance, I would guess that the carb on a GPU might be on top
of
the engine, as on an auto, but I am guessing.
Others on the board must know a lot more about this than I do.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan Yocum < <mailto:yocum(at)fnal.gov> yocum(at)fnal.gov>
>Sent: Mar 26, 2010 2:10 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale
>
yocum(at)fnal.gov>
>
>Jack,
>
>I guess I'm not up on the nomenclature - what does GPU stand for?
>
>Thanks,
>Dan
>
>
>On 03/26/2010 12:54 PM, Jack wrote:
>> I received a response to my "wanted" post in Craigslist for an engine.
>> Since I already J have one I wanted to share. I ask the gent to share
>> more info but have not heard back. He responded with;
>>
>> I have a C-90 GPU engine that I will let you have for $1,500
>>
>> Joseph Stephenson
>>
>> micahstephenson(at)aol.com <
mailto:micahstephenson(at)aol.com>
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> DSM
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>--
>Dan Yocum
>Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, <http://fermigrid.fnal.gov/>
http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | C-90 GPU For Sale |
Ground Power Unit....not to be confused with GPS
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale
Jack,
I guess I'm not up on the nomenclature - what does GPU stand for?
Thanks,
Dan
On 03/26/2010 12:54 PM, Jack wrote:
> I received a response to my "wanted" post in Craigslist for an engine.
> Since I already J have one I wanted to share. I ask the gent to share
> more info but have not heard back. He responded with;
>
> I have a C-90 GPU engine that I will let you have for $1,500
>
> Joseph Stephenson
>
> micahstephenson(at)aol.com
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Rudder cables |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Some have rigged their tailwheel cable movement to be an adjustable
percentage of their rudder cable movement for this reason.
rick
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Pieti Lowell wrote:
>
> Ben,
> You see, the exact problem you have experienced, is why I suggested when the
length of the horns are not correct there could be a problem, a very big problem.
I also had the tail wheel horns too short and when the tail lifted, there
wasn't enough rudder to keep me on the runway, as the rudder was fully pushed,
one direction was restricted in defection, and off the runway we went, Wife on
board: And explain that maneuver NOT !
> The steerable -full swivel, (Ala, Ken Perkins design ),can be a problem also,
if one kicks a full rudder and it might unlock the tail wheel, Something like
a landing on 36L at EAA with a 20 knot wind from the 270 quadrant. And the Piet
under 20 Knots.
> Pieti Lowell
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291855#291855
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Rudder cables |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Walt,
When the tail wheel horns are shorter than the rudder horns the tail wheel will
max the rotation before the rudders equal rotation. I.E. If the Tail wheel horns
are a total length of 6 " and the rudder horns are 12 " long, you push right
rudder fully down and the cable to the movement of the tail wheel will be
maxed, and the rudder will have hardly moved, when the tail lifts off and you
have a cross wind you have no rudder control, because the cable on the rudder
has hardly moved at half the forward distant. and you need a bunch of forward
speed to take up the long dwell time, getting off the ground,and with very little
rudder control.
Pieti Lowell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291876#291876
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Front seat front support |
Mr. Cuy is right on. That brace prevents the front seat from racking
side-to-side.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 4:33 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support
I believe you are thinking of the right thing Mike. I looked at
it and thought it needed to extend to sides for a reason, it just looks
inadequate to really do much in my eyes. Those ears get some holes in
them for the rudder cables as well. I guess there is a reason for them
to be extended, I just have a hard time seeing it...being such a small
piece.
Any other thoughts?
--- On Fri, 3/26/10, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] wrote:
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support
To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 4:14 PM
Mike=94my gut tells me that it needs to extend to the
sides of the fuselage because it acts as a fuselage bulkhead/ twisting
stiffener if I=99m picturing your question correctly in
my head.
Mike C.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:52 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support
I see the prints show the front (passenger) seat front
support plywood going from the top of seat down to the bottom sides of
the fuselage. Can this piece just be the same size as the front of the
seat, (square) or does it need to extend to the sides of the fuselage?
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | A little health scare slightly off topic |
I had a little health scare recently. I noticed a dark blurry spot with di
stortion in my vision a couple weeks ago. Went to my optometrist yesterday
who is a long time friend from high school. She identified the problem as
macular edema (fluid under the center of the retina).
She immediately scheduled an appointment with a retina specialist for toda
y. After having my eyes dialated and filled with 4 different kinds of drop
s=2C poked=2C lenses literally stuck against my eye=2C blinded by light=2C
flourescent dye injected into my veins and then flash blinded by 47 picture
s I was diagnosed with cystoid macular edima ( the relatively benign kind t
hat usually goes away on its own). The Dr. said it is almost always caused
by stress.
The moral is I guess I need to get back to building. It's a great stress r
eliever for me in the summer. In the winter I ski. Skied 77 days this yea
r. Now if I could only figure out a way to build 77 days this summer.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder cables |
We were talking about the tailwheel horns, not the rudder. The idea is
to have the tailwheel and rudder moving at the same angles
Ben
On 3/26/2010 5:56 PM, walt wrote:
> Pietri,
> With the tail horns too short the rudder would react more and get
> quicker rudder response.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Pieti Lowell
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
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> *Sent:* Friday, March 26, 2010 5:23 PM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder cables
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> >
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> Ben,
> You see, the exact problem you have experienced, is why I
> suggested when the length of the horns are not correct there could
> be a problem, a very big problem. I also had the tail wheel horns
> too short and when the tail lifted, there wasn't enough rudder to
> keep me on the runway, as the rudder was fully pushed, one
> direction was restricted in defection, and off the runway we went,
> Wife on board: And explain that maneuver NOT !
> The steerable -full swivel, (Ala, Ken Perkins design ),can be a
> problem also, if one kicks a full rudder and it might unlock the
> tail wheel, Something like a landing on 36L at EAA with a 20 knot
> wind from the 270 quadrant. And the Piet under 20 Knots.
> Pieti Lowell
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Front seat front support |
I'm in the process of ballasting my Piet up to gross weight to complete
phase 1, and when you think about piling 200 pounds on that seat, you
will be glad you put in all the bracing(I added extra) that the plans
call for. Remember if the seat collapses, you lose rudder control,
possibly ailerons and elevator too. Once again you get to hear someone
say " build it to the plans, build it to the plans.."
Ben Charvet
On 3/26/2010 8:50 PM, gcardinal wrote:
> Mr. Cuy is right on. That brace prevents the front seat from racking
> side-to-side.
> Greg Cardinal
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Michael Perez
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
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> *Sent:* Friday, March 26, 2010 4:33 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support
>
> I believe you are thinking of the right thing Mike. I looked at
> it and thought it needed to extend to sides for a reason, it just
> looks inadequate to really do much in my eyes. Those ears get some
> holes in them for the rudder cables as well. I guess there is a
> reason for them to be extended, I just have a hard time seeing
> it...being such a small piece.
March 18, 2010 - March 27, 2010
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