Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-ja
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> Any other thoughts?
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> --- On *Fri, 3/26/10, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
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> From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
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> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support
> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
> Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 4:14 PM
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> Mikemy gut tells me that it needs to extend to the sides of
> the fuselage because it acts as a fuselage bulkhead/ twisting
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> stiffener if Im picturing your question correctly in my head.
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> Mike C.
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> Of *Michael Perez
> *Sent:* Friday, March 26, 2010 3:52 PM
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> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support
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> I see the prints show the front (passenger) seat front support
> plywood going from the top of seat down to the bottom sides
> of the fuselage. Can this piece just be the same size as the
> front of the seat, (square) or does it need to extend to the
> sides of the fuselage?
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| From: | "ALAN LYSCARS" <alyscars(at)myfairpoint.net> |
| Subject: | Re: C-90 GPU For Sale |
Tim..
There was a big rush to buy these GPU engines and convert them for air work
back in the '60s. All were military surplus and had varying numbers of
hours of service on them. I vaguely remember reading more than a few
articles on the conversion requirements in Sport Aviation articles from the
time. Surly, a quick search of the Sport Aviation archives (online @ EAA)
would reveal the posts. My dim memory of the subject nags that the
application of this power plant was a marginal benefit to air work compared
to other available engines-primarily due to its high weight to HP output
ratio. However, due to it's cheap acquisition cost back then many guys
made a go of it.
Al Lyscars
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Willis" <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale
>
>
> I believe that was a "ground power unit." Various branches of the
> military used everything from A-40s on up to power electric generators.
> After all, they are light, air-cooled, etc.
>
> If this is right, and it was hooked to a gen, you'll have to look at what
> it takes to add a propeller and whatever else it takes to make it a real
> aircraft engine. For instance, I would guess that the carb on a GPU might
> be on top of the engine, as on an auto, but I am guessing.
>
> Others on the board must know a lot more about this than I do.
> Tim in central TX
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
>>Sent: Mar 26, 2010 2:10 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale
>>
>>
>>Jack,
>>
>>I guess I'm not up on the nomenclature - what does GPU stand for?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Dan
>>
>>
>>On 03/26/2010 12:54 PM, Jack wrote:
>>> I received a response to my wanted post in Craigslist for an engine.
>>> Since I already J have one I wanted to share. I ask the gent to share
>>> more info but have not heard back. He responded with;
>>>
>>> I have a C-90 GPU engine that I will let you have for $1,500
>>>
>>> Joseph Stephenson
>>>
>>> micahstephenson(at)aol.com
>>>
>>> Jack
>>>
>>> DSM
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>
>>--
>>Dan Yocum
>>Fermilab 630.840.6509
>>yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>>"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder cables |
Petri,
I assume that you have springs at the end of the tailwheel cables, to
the tailwheel?
The springs allow continued travel of the rudder past the maxing of the
tailwheel.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Pieti Lowell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 6:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder cables
Walt,
When the tail wheel horns are shorter than the rudder horns the tail
wheel will max the rotation before the rudders equal rotation. I.E. If
the Tail wheel horns are a total length of 6 " and the rudder horns are
12 " long, you push right rudder fully down and the cable to the
movement of the tail wheel will be maxed, and the rudder will have
hardly moved, when the tail lifts off and you have a cross wind you have
no rudder control, because the cable on the rudder has hardly moved at
half the forward distant. and you need a bunch of forward speed to take
up the long dwell time, getting off the ground,and with very little
rudder control.
Pieti Lowell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291876#291876
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| From: | Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Cylinder Head Temp |
Does anybody know what the CHT runs on a Continental with J-3 cooling eyebrows?
I made a pair and that ended up too low for the front plugs -- probably reduced
frontal area by 40%. It wouldn't be the first do-over.
Thanks,
Tom Bernie
"flying in May"
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Cylinder Head Temp |
Tom,
I don't know the actual temperatures, but I can tell you that two years ago
I broke the bracket attaching the eyebrow to the left front cylinder on the
way to Brodhead. This allowed the eyebrow to splay out, leaking some of the
cooling air. I made a couple of makeshift repairs which didn't hold and
finally remade the bracket (out of steel - the original was aluminum) when I
got home. The airplane probably flew a total of 20 hours with less than
optimum cooling on the left side. The next year at the annual condition
inspection I found that both cylinders on that side had weak compression so
I pulled the cylinders and discovered that both of them had the piston rings
stuck. I replaced the rings with new ones and have had no problems since.
In discussing the problem of stuck piston rings with a number of people
knowlegeable about small Continentals I found that the primary culprit to
cause stuck piston rings is high cylinder head temps.
All this is a long preamble to saying, if I were you I'd make them over.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
Bernie
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
Does anybody know what the CHT runs on a Continental with J-3 cooling
eyebrows? I made a pair and that ended up too low for the front plugs --
probably reduced frontal area by 40%. It wouldn't be the first do-over.
Thanks,
Tom Bernie
"flying in May"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cylinder Head Temp |
| From: | Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net> |
Thanks Jack, that's all I needed to hear. Two interesting and contradictory things
I found were that some Mooney Mites have no eyebows and some have very minimal
ones, and Super Cubs can have "low rise" eyebrows inside the cowling! One
thing for sure, I'm not going to spend $500 bucks for a pair.
Tom
On Mar 27, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> I don't know the actual temperatures, but I can tell you that two years ago
> I broke the bracket attaching the eyebrow to the left front cylinder on the
> way to Brodhead. This allowed the eyebrow to splay out, leaking some of the
> cooling air. I made a couple of makeshift repairs which didn't hold and
> finally remade the bracket (out of steel - the original was aluminum) when I
> got home. The airplane probably flew a total of 20 hours with less than
> optimum cooling on the left side. The next year at the annual condition
> inspection I found that both cylinders on that side had weak compression so
> I pulled the cylinders and discovered that both of them had the piston rings
> stuck. I replaced the rings with new ones and have had no problems since.
>
> In discussing the problem of stuck piston rings with a number of people
> knowlegeable about small Continentals I found that the primary culprit to
> cause stuck piston rings is high cylinder head temps.
>
> All this is a long preamble to saying, if I were you I'd make them over.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
> Bernie
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:23 AM
> To: Pietenpol list
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
>
>
> Does anybody know what the CHT runs on a Continental with J-3 cooling
> eyebrows? I made a pair and that ended up too low for the front plugs --
> probably reduced frontal area by 40%. It wouldn't be the first do-over.
> Thanks,
> Tom Bernie
> "flying in May"
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Cylinder Head Temp |
The best source of info on the small Continentals that I know is Harry
Fenton. I discussed my stuck rings with him and pointed out that some
airplanes, including the Rose Parakeet don't have any cooling eyebrows. His
response was that they will exhibit cooling problems sooner or later.
The Mooney Mite is a lot faster, so maybe it can get enough cooling. All I
know is I had less cooling on that side and got stuck rings on both those
cylinders.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
Bernie
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
Thanks Jack, that's all I needed to hear. Two interesting and contradictory
things I found were that some Mooney Mites have no eyebows and some have
very minimal ones, and Super Cubs can have "low rise" eyebrows inside the
cowling! One thing for sure, I'm not going to spend $500 bucks for a pair.
Tom
On Mar 27, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> I don't know the actual temperatures, but I can tell you that two years
ago
> I broke the bracket attaching the eyebrow to the left front cylinder on
the
> way to Brodhead. This allowed the eyebrow to splay out, leaking some of
the
> cooling air. I made a couple of makeshift repairs which didn't hold and
> finally remade the bracket (out of steel - the original was aluminum) when
I
> got home. The airplane probably flew a total of 20 hours with less than
> optimum cooling on the left side. The next year at the annual condition
> inspection I found that both cylinders on that side had weak compression
so
> I pulled the cylinders and discovered that both of them had the piston
rings
> stuck. I replaced the rings with new ones and have had no problems since.
>
> In discussing the problem of stuck piston rings with a number of people
> knowlegeable about small Continentals I found that the primary culprit to
> cause stuck piston rings is high cylinder head temps.
>
> All this is a long preamble to saying, if I were you I'd make them over.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
> Bernie
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:23 AM
> To: Pietenpol list
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
>
>
> Does anybody know what the CHT runs on a Continental with J-3 cooling
> eyebrows? I made a pair and that ended up too low for the front plugs --
> probably reduced frontal area by 40%. It wouldn't be the first do-over.
> Thanks,
> Tom Bernie
> "flying in May"
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cylinder Head Temp |
| From: | Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net> |
I'm convinced. Thanks.
On Mar 27, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> The best source of info on the small Continentals that I know is Harry
> Fenton. I discussed my stuck rings with him and pointed out that some
> airplanes, including the Rose Parakeet don't have any cooling eyebrows. His
> response was that they will exhibit cooling problems sooner or later.
>
> The Mooney Mite is a lot faster, so maybe it can get enough cooling. All I
> know is I had less cooling on that side and got stuck rings on both those
> cylinders.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
> Bernie
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:20 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
>
>
> Thanks Jack, that's all I needed to hear. Two interesting and contradictory
> things I found were that some Mooney Mites have no eyebows and some have
> very minimal ones, and Super Cubs can have "low rise" eyebrows inside the
> cowling! One thing for sure, I'm not going to spend $500 bucks for a pair.
> Tom
>
> On Mar 27, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> I don't know the actual temperatures, but I can tell you that two years
> ago
>> I broke the bracket attaching the eyebrow to the left front cylinder on
> the
>> way to Brodhead. This allowed the eyebrow to splay out, leaking some of
> the
>> cooling air. I made a couple of makeshift repairs which didn't hold and
>> finally remade the bracket (out of steel - the original was aluminum) when
> I
>> got home. The airplane probably flew a total of 20 hours with less than
>> optimum cooling on the left side. The next year at the annual condition
>> inspection I found that both cylinders on that side had weak compression
> so
>> I pulled the cylinders and discovered that both of them had the piston
> rings
>> stuck. I replaced the rings with new ones and have had no problems since.
>>
>> In discussing the problem of stuck piston rings with a number of people
>> knowlegeable about small Continentals I found that the primary culprit to
>> cause stuck piston rings is high cylinder head temps.
>>
>> All this is a long preamble to saying, if I were you I'd make them over.
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>> NX899JP
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
>> Bernie
>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:23 AM
>> To: Pietenpol list
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
>>
>
>>
>> Does anybody know what the CHT runs on a Continental with J-3 cooling
>> eyebrows? I made a pair and that ended up too low for the front plugs --
>> probably reduced frontal area by 40%. It wouldn't be the first do-over.
>> Thanks,
>> Tom Bernie
>> "flying in May"
>>
>>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cylinder Head Temp |
I copied mine from a J3 Cub. The inboard attach point was an up angle
attaching under the casestuds/nuts.
I was advised that the attach mat'l Can't be Aluminum. Must have a
angle of steel under the nuts or lose the seal on the case due to soft
aluminum compressing.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Bernie
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
Thanks Jack, that's all I needed to hear. Two interesting and
contradictory things I found were that some Mooney Mites have no eyebows
and some have very minimal ones, and Super Cubs can have "low rise"
eyebrows inside the cowling! One thing for sure, I'm not going to spend
$500 bucks for a pair.
Tom
On Mar 27, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> I don't know the actual temperatures, but I can tell you that two
years ago
> I broke the bracket attaching the eyebrow to the left front cylinder
on the
> way to Brodhead. This allowed the eyebrow to splay out, leaking
some of the
> cooling air. I made a couple of makeshift repairs which didn't hold
and
> finally remade the bracket (out of steel - the original was
aluminum) when I
> got home. The airplane probably flew a total of 20 hours with less
than
> optimum cooling on the left side. The next year at the annual
condition
> inspection I found that both cylinders on that side had weak
compression so
> I pulled the cylinders and discovered that both of them had the
piston rings
> stuck. I replaced the rings with new ones and have had no problems
since.
>
> In discussing the problem of stuck piston rings with a number of
people
> knowlegeable about small Continentals I found that the primary
culprit to
> cause stuck piston rings is high cylinder head temps.
>
> All this is a long preamble to saying, if I were you I'd make them
over.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Thomas
> Bernie
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:23 AM
> To: Pietenpol list
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
>
>
> Does anybody know what the CHT runs on a Continental with J-3
cooling
> eyebrows? I made a pair and that ended up too low for the front
plugs --
> probably reduced frontal area by 40%. It wouldn't be the first
do-over.
> Thanks,
> Tom Bernie
> "flying in May"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com> |
| Subject: | Re: C-90 GPU For Sale |
In the '60s, those were Lycoming O-290s. Different engine, different
issues ,but there might be similar issues with the current crop of GPUs.
Some of the issues were converting the ignition to dual magnetos,
converting the induction to an updraft carb with mixture control, and
whittling down a mounting boss on teh front of the case to save weight.
Oh, and the starter ring gear wasn't there, nor the starter, both needed
to be acquired.
The sludge tubes in the crank were totally full of sludge, I remember,
so that mandated a full overhaul with extra emphasis on cleaning
passageways.
And the crankshaft prop flange tended to crack. Eventually a flange
beef-up kit was available that seemed to fix that problem.
Sounds like a lot of work, but probably not much different, all in all,
than converting a Model A. Just remember that when you open the crate,
you'd be getting a project, not a flyable airplane engine.
David Paule
There was a big rush to buy these GPU engines and convert them for air
work
back in the '60s. All were military surplus and had varying numbers of
hours of service on them.
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | links to email attachments |
Jack asked:
>I noticed when you "attach" pictures they are in
>a link form below the attachment area. How is that
>done?
I think if you post the email via the Matronics
Piet forum rather than the email list and add the
attachment there, the link to the attachment shows up
in your post.
If you are on the digest version of the email list
(which I am), this can be very useful because as
everyone who takes the digest knows, attachments don't
come through in the daily digest. On the forum, they
do.
I take the digest so I won't spend as much time reading
Piet emails at work, but I find myself logging onto
the forum to check them anyway. PS, if you want to
get me in trouble, call my boss, Pat Griffith, at
(210)522-5533 and tell him I'm reading airplane emails
instead of working. Maybe he'll fire me and I can go
work on airplanes full-time instead of being an engineer.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | New Member Lurking on the Lists |
| From: | "gtche98" <garywilson213(at)yahoo.com> |
Good Morning All - Just wanted to take a minute and introduce myself, as I will
be spending time reading this list. My name is Gary Wilson and as of now, I
have not built an airplane, but helped my father build a Questair Venture. It
took him 20 years, but it turned out to be a beautiful bird (see pic).
Now with a family of my own, we are just about ready to start our own "family"
plane. While walking through the affordable flying hangar at Oshkosh in 2008,
I saw my first Piet, and have been fascinated ever since. We have now settled
on the Air Camper as our family plane, and plan to start construction in the
fall. Here is my plan of action so far to get us to the August time frame.
1 - Join local EAA chapter and start attending regular meetings to develop a network
of local builders.
2 - Attend Brodhead - Take as many notes and pictures as I can!
3 - Oshkosh - spend time in the woodworking tent and study engine options (especially
William Wynne's Corvair option).
4 - Order Plans
As a first timer just getting started, I would certainly welcome any advice you
might provide as I get started. Also, if anyone is building or has a Pietenpol
in the Greenville (Appleton) Wisconsin area, I would love to hear from you.
I look forward to learning a lot from each of you!
Gary
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291947#291947
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Cylinder Head Temp |
That is correct, Walt. I made those brackets out of steel, but had used
aluminum under the rocker box cover screws. Those aluminum brackets were
what broke, and now ALL the brackets on mine are steel.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
I copied mine from a J3 Cub. The inboard attach point was an up angle
attaching under the casestuds/nuts.
I was advised that the attach mat'l Can't be Aluminum. Must have a angle of
steel under the nuts or lose the seal on the case due to soft aluminum
compressing.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas <mailto:tsbernie(at)earthlink.net> Bernie
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
Thanks Jack, that's all I needed to hear. Two interesting and contradictory
things I found were that some Mooney Mites have no eyebows and some have
very minimal ones, and Super Cubs can have "low rise" eyebrows inside the
cowling! One thing for sure, I'm not going to spend $500 bucks for a pair.
Tom
On Mar 27, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> I don't know the actual temperatures, but I can tell you that two years
ago
> I broke the bracket attaching the eyebrow to the left front cylinder on
the
> way to Brodhead. This allowed the eyebrow to splay out, leaking some of
the
> cooling air. I made a couple of makeshift repairs which didn't hold and
> finally remade the bracket (out of steel - the original was aluminum) when
I
> got home. The airplane probably flew a total of 20 hours with less than
> optimum cooling on the left side. The next year at the annual condition
> inspection I found that both cylinders on that side had weak compression
so
> I pulled the cylinders and discovered that both of them had the piston
rings
> stuck. I replaced the rings with new ones and have had no problems since.
>
> In discussing the problem of stuck piston rings with a number of people
> knowlegeable about small Continentals I found that the primary culprit to
> cause stuck piston rings is high cylinder head temps.
>
> All this is a long preamble to saying, if I were you I'd make them over.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
> Bernie
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:23 AM
> To: Pietenpol list
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
>
>
> Does anybody know what the CHT runs on a Continental with J-3 cooling
> eyebrows? I made a pair and that ended up too low for the front plugs --
> probably reduced frontal area by 40%. It wouldn't be the first do-over.
> Thanks,
> Tom Bernie
> "flying in May"
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| From: | "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists |
If you're only going to have one airplane, get one with more seats than your
family, so you can take friends along as well as family.
Make sure that it has a closed cockpit and a heater, so that you can
actually use it in a practical manner.
It should have a cruise speed of at least twice the speed of a car, point to
point, or else it won't get used for traveling. The "at least" is pretty
important, by the way.
David Paule
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Front seat front support |
I was more specifically looking at the ears that extend to the sides. I won
dered why I could not just ply the seat front only. (Which would prevent ra
cking of the seat as well.) No matter now, I already have the "eared" plywo
od epoxied in.
--- On Fri, 3/26/10, Ben Charvet wrote:
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:07 PM
I'm in the process of ballasting my Piet up to gross weight to complete pha
se 1, and when you think about piling 200 pounds on that seat, you will be
glad you put in all the bracing(I added extra) that the plans call for.=C2
- Remember if the seat collapses, you lose rudder control, possibly ailer
ons and elevator too.=C2- Once again you get to hear someone say " build
it to the plans, build it to the plans.."
Ben Charvet
On 3/26/2010 8:50 PM, gcardinal wrote:
Mr. Cuy is right on. That brace prevents the front seat from racking side-t
o-side.
=C2-
Greg Cardinal
=C2-
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 4:33 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support
I believe=C2- you are thinking of the right thing Mike. I looked at it an
d thought it needed to extend to sides for a reason, it just looks inadequa
te to really do much in my eyes. Those ears get some holes in them for the
rudder cables as well. I guess there is a reason for them to be extended, I
just have a hard time seeing it...being such a small piece.
=C2-
Any other thoughts?
--- On Fri, 3/26/10, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
wrote:
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] <michael.d.cuy
@nasa.gov>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 4:14 PM
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | New Member Lurking on the Lists |
Gary,
Welcome!! I'm always happy to meet someone who's name I can remember...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gtche98
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Good Morning All - Just wanted to take a minute and introduce myself, as I
will be spending time reading this list. My name is Gary Wilson and as of
now, I have not built an airplane, but helped my father build a Questair
Venture. It took him 20 years, but it turned out to be a beautiful bird
(see pic).
Now with a family of my own, we are just about ready to start our own
"family" plane. While walking through the affordable flying hangar at
Oshkosh in 2008, I saw my first Piet, and have been fascinated ever since.
We have now settled on the Air Camper as our family plane, and plan to start
construction in the fall. Here is my plan of action so far to get us to the
August time frame.
1 - Join local EAA chapter and start attending regular meetings to develop a
network of local builders.
2 - Attend Brodhead - Take as many notes and pictures as I can!
3 - Oshkosh - spend time in the woodworking tent and study engine options
(especially William Wynne's Corvair option).
4 - Order Plans
As a first timer just getting started, I would certainly welcome any advice
you might provide as I get started. Also, if anyone is building or has a
Pietenpol in the Greenville (Appleton) Wisconsin area, I would love to hear
from you.
I look forward to learning a lot from each of you!
Gary
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291947#291947
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/venture_856.jpg
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists |
Why wait 4-5 months to buy plans? You can't start building until you
have plans!
If you are interested in the Wynne Corvair conversion shoot me an
email. We are putting our build on hiatus as we just have no space to
build where we live right now, and can't spend enough time at the shop
where we have the project. We're going to try to buy a flying Piet
instead. As such we have our Corvair conversion parts for
sale...pretty much everything you need to build a Wynne Corvair
conversion: case, crank, heads, Wynne parts, overhaul parts.
Everything reworked/new and ready to put together. Send me an email
for details. Best of luck with your build!
Ryan
rmueller23(at)gmail.com
On Mar 27, 2010, at 12:35 PM, "gtche98" wrote:
> >
>
> Good Morning All - Just wanted to take a minute and introduce
> myself, as I will be spending time reading this list. My name is
> Gary Wilson and as of now, I have not built an airplane, but helped
> my father build a Questair Venture. It took him 20 years, but it
> turned out to be a beautiful bird (see pic).
>
> Now with a family of my own, we are just about ready to start our
> own "family" plane. While walking through the affordable flying
> hangar at Oshkosh in 2008, I saw my first Piet, and have been
> fascinated ever since. We have now settled on the Air Camper as our
> family plane, and plan to start construction in the fall. Here is
> my plan of action so far to get us to the August time frame.
>
> 1 - Join local EAA chapter and start attending regular meetings to
> develop a network of local builders.
> 2 - Attend Brodhead - Take as many notes and pictures as I can!
> 3 - Oshkosh - spend time in the woodworking tent and study engine
> options (especially William Wynne's Corvair option).
> 4 - Order Plans
>
> As a first timer just getting started, I would certainly welcome any
> advice you might provide as I get started. Also, if anyone is
> building or has a Pietenpol in the Greenville (Appleton) Wisconsin
> area, I would love to hear from you.
>
> I look forward to learning a lot from each of you!
>
> Gary
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291947#291947
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/venture_856.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A little health scare slightly off topic |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
A friend at work (in his 30s) had the same thing. He worked 60-70 hrs
a week and the doctor also told him it was stress related. He told the
company owner that he could only work 40 hrs a week from now on and
don't even think about calling him on evenings or weekends to got fly
out to a client site to work 16 hrs/day to fix any problem that comes
up. Owner said OK. Didn't even change his salary. Good luck with your
eye problem.
rick
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Doug Dever wrote:
> I had a little health scare recently. I noticed a dark blurry spot with
> distortion in my vision a couple weeks ago. Went to my optometrist
> yesterday who is a long time friend from high school. She identified the
> problem as macular edema (fluid under the center of the retina).
> She immediately scheduled an appointment with a retina specialist for
> today. After having my eyes dialated and filled with 4 different kinds of
> drops, poked, lenses literally stuck against my eye, blinded by light,
> flourescent dye injected into my veins and then flash blinded by 47 pictures
> I was diagnosed with cystoid macular edima ( therelatively benign kind that
> usually goes away on its own). The Dr. said it is almost always caused by
> stress.
>
> The moral is I guess I need to get back to building. It's a great stress
> reliever for me in the summer. In the winter I ski. Skied 77 days this
> year. Now if I could onlyfigure out a way to build 77 days this summer.
> Doug Dever
> In beautiful Stow Ohio
>
>
> ________________________________
> Hotmail: Trusted email with powect/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now.
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists |
Gary,
Welcome to the fold. If I may comment on your strategy I would suggest you
buy the plans and begin building ASAP so when you arrive at Brodhead you
have a bit of build experience to guide your picture taking, question asking
and research. Its much easier to ask great questions and get solid advice
when your approach is from the actual build and not the virtual or
conceptual aspects of the build.
Having been down that road and still in the build I found it much more to
my benefit and comprehension to ask questions from experience rather than
the theoretical. You will also find that since no two are alike designs and
dimensions will differ from drawings to actual examples.
During my travels of meeting other builders even before I began to build
my project, its hard to appreciate the advice you may receive.
One of the best pieces I got was from Hans Vandervort, he said that "many
builders spent too much time looking at and studying the drawings trying
to figure things out, you just need to start building and the rest will come
to you as you go". The design and build leaves much to the builder own
initiative and creativity which is where the no two like comes from.
The bad news is the plans and drawings are not there insert flap A into
slot B they do require some reasoning the good news is they require some
reasoning and allow you the builder to make it your airplane. You just have to
be ready for that. And when you get stuck or hit the builders block, pull
back give her a good long look and shell talk to ya, she'll tell ya what has
to be done next. You just have to be willing to listen to her.
I love the process and most importantly I really love my new found friends
and getting to see them each year at Brodhead. I can wait for July to get
here. For me its Christmas, my birthday, the Holy Grail and Mecca all rolled
up into one spectacular event of friendship, airplanes, stories, jokes and
good old fashion telling lies, oh yeah
(warning, watch out for Markle)!
Hope to see ya there.
John
In a message dated 3/27/2010 3:43:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
gboothe5(at)comcast.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe"
Gary,
Welcome!! I'm always happy to meet someone who's name I can remember...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gtche98
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Good Morning All - Just wanted to take a minute and introduce myself, as I
will be spending time reading this list. My name is Gary Wilson and as of
now, I have not built an airplane, but helped my father build a Questair
Venture. It took him 20 years, but it turned out to be a beautiful bird
(see pic).
Now with a family of my own, we are just about ready to start our own
"family" plane. While walking through the affordable flying hangar at
Oshkosh in 2008, I saw my first Piet, and have been fascinated ever since.
We have now settled on the Air Camper as our family plane, and plan to
start
construction in the fall. Here is my plan of action so far to get us to
the
August time frame.
1 - Join local EAA chapter and start attending regular meetings to develop
a
network of local builders.
2 - Attend Brodhead - Take as many notes and pictures as I can!
3 - Oshkosh - spend time in the woodworking tent and study engine options
(especially William Wynne's Corvair option).
4 - Order Plans
As a first timer just getting started, I would certainly welcome any advice
you might provide as I get started. Also, if anyone is building or has a
Pietenpol in the Greenville (Appleton) Wisconsin area, I would love to hear
from you.
I look forward to learning a lot from each of you!
Gary
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291947#291947
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/venture_856.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Totally agree, you will get 10 times more out of your Broadhead
experience (and encounters with any other homebuilders) if you had the
plans and had spent time coming up with a list of questions. And
especially if you start building something before Broadhead, even if
its just building ribs, which is where most people start anyhow.
rick
> Gary,
>
> Welcome to the fold. If I may comment on your strategy I would suggest you
> buy the plans and begin building ASAP so when you arrive at Brodhead you
> have a bit of build experience to guide your picture taking, question asking
> and research. Its much easier to ask great questions and get solid advice
> when your approach is from the actual build and not the virtual or
> conceptual aspects of the build.
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Continental A-65 and Stromberg carb for sale |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Good evening all,
We have a Continental A-65 for sale if any might be interested. Here is the
info on the engine:
We purchased it from a couple in Florida last year; they had removed it from
their Cub to install a larger engine. The engine has logs back to day one
(6-11-46), with 1505TT, and 709SMOH (majored in '57). It was removed from
the J-3 in 2002. It looks like part of the reason for it's low time is that
the Cub it was attached to was damaged in a storm in '69, and didn't get
rebuilt until '93. Other than that the logs are pretty uneventful. The
engine is complete, except for the carb and magneto harnesses. Apparently
they swapped those items out on to the replacement engine. Here is a pic:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/IMG_1200resize.jpg
That's how it sits right now, in the shipping crate and ready to go. The
mags are in the box in the image, they are Bendix mags, and I have no reason
to doubt that they work; they worked fine when the engine was removed from
the airplane. We are asking $3,000 for it, which is exactly the amount we
paid for it.
As I mentioned, it does not come with a carb. We do also have a carb for
sale, either with the engine or separately. It's a Stromberg NA-S3A1, that
has been overhauled and yellow-tagged by Russ Romey at D&G Supply in Niles,
MI. Corvair enthusiasts may recognize that shop as the go-to place for
Corvair conversion carb overhauls, and that is why we sent it there. It is
currently set up for a Corvair, which means equivalent to a C-85. I talked
with Russ about changing it over to A-65 configuration, and he said it would
cost about $100. I think it's mainly a venturi change, is all. The
carburetor is available for $600. We paid $200 for the core, and $475 to
have it overhauled, as it was missing the throttle arm and main needle.
If you might be interested in either please email me and we can discuss
further. Have a good evening!
Ryan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Welcome Gary!
Honestly, you couldn't have found a more helpful and encouraging group, nor
a more wonderful plane...
#1 advice... go to Brodhead
#2 advice... build to the plans (except for minor stuff)
#3 advice... use spruce, dont use a heavier wood, or think you have to beef
up the design, it's been flying for 80 yrs.
#4 advice... build to the plans..
#5 advice... build light
#6 advice... build to the plans....
#7 advice... have fun and involve your family (if applicable)
#8 advice... build to the plans.....
Douwe
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| Subject: | Weight and balance- Douwe's Piet |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Douwe,
Please tell us your empty weight, and EW CG location. Did you move your en
gine forward of plans?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Sun, Mar 28, 2010 5:51 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: welcome Gary
hlink.net>
Welcome Gary!
Honestly, you couldn't have found a more helpful and encouraging group, no
r
more wonderful plane...
#1 advice... go to Brodhead
2 advice... build to the plans (except for minor stuff)
3 advice... use spruce, dont use a heavier wood, or think you have to beef
p the design, it's been flying for 80 yrs.
4 advice... build to the plans..
5 advice... build light
6 advice... build to the plans....
7 advice... have fun and involve your family (if applicable)
8 advice... build to the plans.....
ouwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Continental A-65 and Stromberg carb for sale |
Ryan, sounds like a great buy! I spent $6,000 rebuilding mine. Do you
mind if I post this on the flybaby site?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: Pietenpol List
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 12:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A-65 and Stromberg carb for sale
Good evening all,
We have a Continental A-65 for sale if any might be interested. Here
is the info on the engine:
We purchased it from a couple in Florida last year; they had removed
it from their Cub to install a larger engine. The engine has logs back
to day one (6-11-46), with 1505TT, and 709SMOH (majored in '57). It was
removed from the J-3 in 2002. It looks like part of the reason for it's
low time is that the Cub it was attached to was damaged in a storm in
'69, and didn't get rebuilt until '93. Other than that the logs are
pretty uneventful. The engine is complete, except for the carb and
magneto harnesses. Apparently they swapped those items out on to the
replacement engine. Here is a pic:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/IMG_1200resize.jpg
That's how it sits right now, in the shipping crate and ready to go.
The mags are in the box in the image, they are Bendix mags, and I have
no reason to doubt that they work; they worked fine when the engine was
removed from the airplane. We are asking $3,000 for it, which is exactly
the amount we paid for it.
As I mentioned, it does not come with a carb. We do also have a carb
for sale, either with the engine or separately. It's a Stromberg
NA-S3A1, that has been overhauled and yellow-tagged by Russ Romey at D&G
Supply in Niles, MI. Corvair enthusiasts may recognize that shop as the
go-to place for Corvair conversion carb overhauls, and that is why we
sent it there. It is currently set up for a Corvair, which means
equivalent to a C-85. I talked with Russ about changing it over to A-65
configuration, and he said it would cost about $100. I think it's mainly
a venturi change, is all. The carburetor is available for $600. We paid
$200 for the core, and $475 to have it overhauled, as it was missing the
throttle arm and main needle.
If you might be interested in either please email me and we can
discuss further. Have a good evening!
Ryan
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03/27/10 19:32:00
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | New Member Lurking on the Lists |
Gary: where are you located? It helps you get
more help if you have other builders/pilots
nearby, so if you'll indicate where you're
located, nearby builders might respond.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cloudcars prop on N502R |
Jerry, sorry it took me so long to get back with you. He will "skin" the
prop with glass if you wish.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cloudcars prop on N502R
>
> Gene what did he put on the leading edge for protection? I can't ell in
> the photo. Just wondering. Boy that thing is purty.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> Ribs and tailfeathers done
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291515#291515
>
>
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| Subject: | William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Hello all,
We have unfortunately decided to put our Corvair conversion parts up for
sale. We just cannot get out to our shop enough to make any meaningful
progress on our Pietenpol...at the rate we are going it will be years and
years before we would ever finish. We're putting our build on hiatus, until
we are living in a space more conducive to being able to work on the project
every day. However we still want to have a Piet to fly until such time as we
can build our own, and we do have space to hangar an airplane, so we are
going to look to purchase a complete, flying Piet. Being able to "liquidate
the asset" that is our Corvair conversion will get us a large chunk of the
money needed to purchase a flying Pietenpol. We are asking $6,000 for
everything.
So, here is a list of what we have:
Crankcase: hot-tanked clean at an aircraft engine repair station, inspected
by WW and deemed serviceable. 9 out of 12 upper head studs removed due to
corrosion. One threaded hole for an upper stud was damaged during removal.
This hole was time-serted and a serviceable used stud was installed by Mark
at Falcon. The threads in the remaining holes look good. I have at least 12
serviceable used upper head studs that were removed from junk cases using
less than the maximum torque recommended by WW to avoid twisting the stud
(45 ft/lbs, I think?).
Crankshaft: magnafluxed and ground .10/.10, shot peened, balanced, polished,
and tapped for safety shaft by Quinlin Automotive in Indianapolis.
Ion-nitrided at Advanced Nitriding Solutions, with a batch Larry Hudson took
in.
Cylinder heads: overhauled by Mark at Falcon Machine, with the welded intake
tubes. (if you saw Mark's setup at Oshkosh last year you saw one of the
heads: it was his display head)
5th Bearing: Weseman BTA 5th bearing
Camshaft: new OT-10 with standard gear, new lifters
Cylinders, pistons & rods: +.30 cylinders from Clark's, forged pistons
(balanced to 1 gram spread) installed on Clark's reconditioned and balanced
(1 gram spread) connecting rods
Oil Pump: Pro-Flow high volume pump from Clark's
All other overhaul parts needed from Clark's (gaskets, bearings, seals, etc)
All other engine parts have been cleaned and inspected (pushrods, rocker
arms, rear accessory cover, etc)
Harmonic Balancer: Rebuilt by Dale Mfg
John Deere dynamo
WW Parts:
Stainless Intake Manifold setup for Stromberg/Marvel carbs
Gold Prop Hub - Modified by the Wesemans for use with their 5th bearing
Gold Oil Filter Housing
Gold Oil Cooler Sandwich Adapter Assy
Niagara Oil Cooler
Alternator Brackets
Ring Gear
Top Cover
Starter Brackets
Safety Shaft
Hybrid Studs
Gold CNC Billet Oil Pan
Oil Pan Installation kit w/ rebent pickup
E/P distributor
Starter w/ fine tooth gear installed
The only thing we have ordered that we do not have yet are the E/P
Distributor, and the starter with the fine-tooth gear installed. William
Wynne just emailed this morning and noted that those two items have been
shipped, so we should have them shortly. This is everything you need to
build a top-notch Corvair aircraft engine, and no waiting for parts. In case
you do now know, there is a significant lead time for many of these parts.
The cylinder heads took 1 year, and some of the WW parts are more than a
year. Again, we are asking $6,000 for the lot.
William Wynne and Dan Weseman had the following to say on the Corvaircraft
list this morning:
-----------------------------
Friends,
I know Ryan pretty well and have seen his stuff first person, up close. I
consider his engine project first class, and a very good deal. The two parts
that he had on order with us have been shipped, so everything will be on
hand for the buyer. I am not happy to see Ryan's urban residence vs distant
workshop situation get him out of building now, but I have a strong feeling
we will have in the Corvair movement in the long term. I will gladly
support the buyer of the project through the assembly process. If someone
pays Ryan's asking price in a friendly and timely manner, I will consider
making the engine the demo assembly at the next Corvair college in the
buyers area. If someone wanted to pay a skilled person to assemble and test
the engine there are a lot of options like Brady on the West coast or Mark
from Falcon in the Midwest.
In the interest of full disclosure, I never offer an opinion for money or
favors, and my comments here are just in support of a friend, we never
accept any commission on the resale or assistance of sale of Corvair parts.
There are a lot of shady people out there offering to resell a "$3,500
Corvair engine for a friend" which is junk. Ryan is the polar opposite of
this, and I just wanted to step in and say so.
Thank you.
William Wynne
5000-18 HWY 17 #247
Orange Park, FL 32003
-----
Hi guys I also wanted to add that anyone buying The Muellers parts , Which
includes our 5thbearing , Will have full support from us for install and
service questions etc . Sorry to see the Muellers leave for a while but....
i can never argue with the decision to go flying now vs later ! Ryan be
sure to send us some photo's of your new Piet Thanks
Dan Weseman
---------------------------------
Please contact me if you are interested, either via email or on the phone.
Thanks,
Ryan Mueller
rmueller23(at)gmail.com
815-298-1483
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| From: | jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com> |
Good Day Piet Posters,
Here's a pretty obvious question for everyone. That is, obvious to everyone but
me.
Thinking about saving weight everywhere I can and contemplating using an electronic
Tach.
Small plastic housing, solid state, no tach cable, weighs 70 percent less than
conventional, but with no electric system, where do I hook it up.
On my car, I just connect one side to distributor and the other side to ground.
Then tell the unit, with a switch built in or wiring method, that it is a 4,
6, or 8 cylinder.
Question is would the hot side of a Magneto equate to the pos. side of the distributor?
Then there's the Hobbs meter---same question, I could even supple it with a battery
power, but does an electronic Hobbs read off the mag?
2nd subject for discussion--- I'm concerned about weight because I really want
to use motorcycle wheels. To me that is the ultimate antique look. I have 2 -
19 inch wheels with built in brake hubs. They weigh 17 pounds apiece without tire.
So I'll be looking for weight savers everywhere. While building to plans
of course.
This is a GN-1 with A-65 and wood prop ( thanks OZ) so right there I'm 85 pounds
less than with model A.
By the way, can anyone out there build an aluminum tank?
Jeff Wilson
GN-1
St. Louis, MO
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| From: | jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com> |
Good Day Piet Posters,
Here's a pretty obvious question for
everyone. That is, obvious to everyone but me.
Thinking about saving
weight everywhere I can and contemplating using an electronic Tach.
Small
plastic housing, solid state, no tach cable, weighs 70 percent less
than conventional, but with no electric system, where do I hook it up.
On
my car, I just connect one side to distributor and the other side to
ground. Then tell the unit, with a switch built in or wiring method,
that it is a 4, 6, or 8 cylinder.
Question is would the hot side of a
Magneto equate to the pos. side of the distributor?
Then there's the
Hobbs meter---same question, I could even supple it with a battery
power, but does an electronic Hobbs read off the mag?
2nd subject
for discussion--- I'm concerned about weight because I really want to
use motorcycle
wheels. To me that is the ultimate antique look. I have 2 - 19 inch
wheels with built in brake hubs. They weigh 17 pounds apiece without
tire. So I'll be looking for weight savers everywhere. While building to
plans of course.
This is a GN-1 with A-65 and wood prop ( thanks OZ)
so right there I'm 85 pounds less than with model A.
By the way, can
anyone out there build an aluminum tank?
Jeff Wilson
GN-1
St. Louis, MO
PS- re-sent 'cause I left out the subject line earlier and
if you are like me and hate viruses you won't open an email
without a subject line. I call it "tech paranoia".
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| Subject: | Re: Tach Question |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
an obvious simple light and cheap one is the Tinytach , it simply has a single
wire lead that wraps around one plug wire.an internal battery that lasts several
years and it turns itself off after shutdown. I have used 2 on 2 different
Rotaxes in a Rans and a Challenger I fly now. the bad news is I have heard they
don't work well on a engine like the Corvair. I'd sure be trying one out on
mine, but the plane has an electronic instrument panel already. EIS I believe.hopefully
before the end of the year I'll get a chance to fly it. Raymond
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| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tach Question |
If I recall correctly, PF Beck was using a Tinytach wit his Corvair
several years ago with no problems from what he told me then. Don't
know if that's still his setup or not.
Kip Gardner
On Mar 28, 2010, at 4:56 PM, skellytown flyer wrote:
>
>
> an obvious simple light and cheap one is the Tinytach , it simply
> has a single wire lead that wraps around one plug wire.an internal
> battery that lasts several years and it turns itself off after
> shutdown. I have used 2 on 2 different Rotaxes in a Rans and a
> Challenger I fly now. the bad news is I have heard they don't work
> well on a engine like the Corvair. I'd sure be trying one out on
> mine, but the plane has an electronic instrument panel already.
> EIS I believe.hopefully before the end of the year I'll get a
> chance to fly it. Raymond
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292123#292123
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cloudcars prop on N502R |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net> |
Thanks Gene. I hope it will be Ok. I will be operating 99% of the time off grass.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Gary,
Welcome. You will find this to be a great list and a tremendous resource.
I agree with Rick's and John's posts above. Get the plans and some material and
get into the process as soon as you can. You already know that a home-built
aircraft can take 20 years. If you have your time and some resources invested
it will be incentive to keep plugging along.
I have wanted to build since 1968 and put it off until I purchased someones project
4 years ago. If I had started when I first had the dream I would have been
done twice. I always thought I could not afford it but it is a lot easier
to put out a little money at a time over a longer period of time. I will also
emphasize the importance of EAA. I belonged to the national organization for
years but not a local until 6 years ago. Your local guys and gals will be tremendous
encouragement.
I would also add that if you do not have your license, try to carve out the resources
to do that. Sport pilot may be a good way to go if you can find a school
in your area. Flying different kinds of airplanes also may be informative
as to what kind of flying you will want to do. I was fortunate and had my private
license before I even knew EAA existed. Being able to get into the air kept
my dream alive.
Originally I thought building would be an inexpensive way to own an airplane.
Now I realize that building is for the sake of building and flying what you have
built. In all of these years of dreaming I owned 5 factory built airplanes
which allowed me to perfect my skills and get a lot of experience, but flying
my GN-1 when it is finished, I expect will rank right up there as one of my
favorite accomplishments. Good Luck and good building.
Jon Coxwell
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Welcome to the List, Gary.
You begin by stating that you have not built an airplane before - well, that immediately
gives you something in common with a lot of us (maybe most of us). It
seems that most Pietenpol builders are first time builders. The construction
is fairly basic - just like building a BIG model airplane, except you won't need
to use giant Tee-pins. The Questair Venture is most definitely a unique aircraft,
and surely more complex than a Pietenpol. Both are sure to gather a crowd
at a fly-in.
Like the others have said, move "order the plans" up to the top of your list of
things to do. Once you get them, and study them a bit, you'll come up with a
bunch of questions. When you do come up with the questions, check out the Matronics
Pietenpol List Archives. There is a very useful search function that will
most likely result in answers to your questions. If you can't find answers there,
then post your question here, and somebody will most likely know exactly
what you're asking about.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
David,
That seems like a strange response to Gary's question.
This IS the Pietenpol List - which means it is about building and flying a two-seat,
open cockpit, antiquey plane that, under certain circumstances can reach
speeds approaching that of an average car.
I don't think anyone builds a Pietenpol expecting it to transport a whole family
(plus friends) in enclosed, heated comfort, in half the time that a car takes.
What it CAN do is transport the pilot (and one lucky passenger at a time) back
in time, to a simpler age, when getting there in a hurry wasn't so important
-back to the days when flying was more appreciated for the wonder that it really
is. Flying in a Pietenpol (or any similar open cockpit airplane, for that
matter) is an entirely different experience than flying in any enclosed "Spam
can".
In my opinion, if you're only going to have one airplane (which, by the way, is
one more than most people), get (or even better, build) one that will give you
a thrill every time you fly it, rather than be a practical mode of transportation
from A to B. If you're looking for a mode of transportation, there are plenty
of airlines that can provide that service much more economically than owning
your own plane. I don't know of any airline that can provide the experience
that a Pietenpol ride can.
Bill C.
dpaule(at)frii.com
PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:10 am Post subject: New Member Lurking on the
Lists
If you're only going to have one airplane, get one with more seats than your family,
so you can take friends along as well as family.
Make sure that it has a closed cockpit and a heater, so that you can actually use
it in a practical manner.
It should have a cruise speed of at least twice the speed of a car, point to
point, or else it won't get used for traveling. The "at least" is pretty
important, by the way.
David Paule
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| Subject: | Charm of the Piet |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Bill,
I didn't think an egg-headed engineer like yourself could have written so
eloquently. Do you have a ghost writer?
What it CAN do is transport the pilot (and one lucky passenger at a time)
back
in time, to a simpler age, when getting there in a hurry wasn't so importa
nt
-back to the days when flying was more appreciated for the wonder that it
really
is. Flying in a Pietenpol (or any similar open cockpit airplane, for that
matter) is an entirely different experience than flying in any enclosed "S
pam
can".
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Charm of the Piet |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Dan,
Thanks... I think.
"Egg-headed" ???
How eloquent.
Would you LIKE to have a ghost writer?
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists |
| From: | "gtche98" <garywilson213(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks to all for your warm welcome and thoughtful advice. I very much appreciate
it, and look forward to getting to know each of you in the upcoming days,
months, years.
To those that have recommended getting the plans first, I will certainly take that
into consideration. I am considering this a long term project, and live only
minutes from Oshkosh and hours from Brodhead, so neither of these will be
significant excursions for me (thankfully), and I anticipate being at both every
year for the foreseeable future. Having said that, you all have me wanting
to dive into the plans right now, so we may have to move that one up the list.
Oscar - As mentioned at the end of my original post ( [Wink] ), I am in Greenville,
WI. I have already received a private email from a Piet builder in Greenville,
which was the holy grail email I was looking for...I will be making arrangements
to meet up with this individual in the near future. I would love to
know if there are any others in this area. Also, my understanding is that Doc
Mosher is a member of the Oshkosh EAA chapter, so that is probably where I will
secure my local chapter membership.
David and Bill - Thank you both for your insights. I had to chuckle just a little
bit when David used the word "practical" to refer to an airplane. [Laughing]
Unfortunately, in order to follow David's advice (which I would love to
do), I would be in the market for a Saratoga, and the budget definately does
not support that. No, the Air Camper will be a family airplane in that the entire
family will build it and (hopefully) develop a love for low and slow flying,
one family member at a time.
Thanks again for welcoming me into the fold!
Gary
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292189#292189
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| From: | "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists |
As I recall, he used the phrase "family airplane."
David Paule
>
>
> That seems like a strange response to Gary's question.
> This IS the Pietenpol List - which means it is about building and flying a
> two-seat, open cockpit, antiquey plane that, under certain circumstances
> can reach speeds approaching that of an average car.
> I don't think anyone builds a Pietenpol expecting it to transport a whole
> family (plus friends) in enclosed, heated comfort, in half the time that a
> car takes.....
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Gary,
Welcome to the list. A great source of photos already exists of Pietenpols that
Chris Tracy has so kindly posted for us all and you don't have to even step
foot outside your house to hundreds and hundreds of great photos of all kinds
of different Piets and Piet building ideas for you.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/
To order plans, the Pietenpol family web site is here:
http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/
Lastly, save yourself tons of time and money by having the Sportplane Builder series
of books by Tony Bingelis at your side during building. These books were
instrumental in helping answer a zillion of my questions without ever having
to post, ask, or wander around wondering what my options were or how I should
go about a certain part of the building process. Don't rely on old wives tales
or heresay---go to these books. You'll get the straight poop without any BS
and there are great sketches, diagrams, and a complete index to guide you to
your answers.
There are FOUR books in this series and I highly recommend getting the whole enchilada
right up front. Merry Christmas.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/bv/books_bingelis.html
If you're not a pilot Gary or don't have any tailwheel time I would visit Steve
Krog at Hartford, WI and take an hour of dual in one of his J-3 Cubs to see if
you even like low and slow old fashioned flying. Just a thought, your mileage
may vary.
http://www.sportpilot.org/learntofly/articles/070917_learning.html
Finally, don't listen to anything that Jim Markle, myself, or Jack Phillips posts.
Mike C.
NX48MC
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists |
Gary:
I would buy these 2 publications from the EAA, the 1932 and 1933 Flying and
Glider Manuals. These are the Pietenpol publications from the early '30s.
They included the plans plus construction notes. For only $6.95 each, its
well worth the price. Some have actually built from these publications
alone, though if you purchase the plans, you will not only have more
detail, but also all of the plan updates. Here is a link
http://www.shopeaa.com/search.aspx?find=pietenpol
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
> [Original Message]
> From: gtche98 <garywilson213(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Date: 3/29/2010 8:32:19 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
>
>
> Thanks to all for your warm welcome and thoughtful advice. I very much
appreciate it, and look forward to getting to know each of you in the
upcoming days, months, years.
>
> To those that have recommended getting the plans first, I will certainly
take that into consideration. I am considering this a long term project,
and live only minutes from Oshkosh and hours from Brodhead, so neither of
these will be significant excursions for me (thankfully), and I anticipate
being at both every year for the foreseeable future. Having said that, you
all have me wanting to dive into the plans right now, so we may have to
move that one up the list.
>
> Oscar - As mentioned at the end of my original post ( [Wink] ), I am in
Greenville, WI. I have already received a private email from a Piet
builder in Greenville, which was the holy grail email I was looking for...I
will be making arrangements to meet up with this individual in the near
future. I would love to know if there are any others in this area. Also,
my understanding is that Doc Mosher is a member of the Oshkosh EAA chapter,
so that is probably where I will secure my local chapter membership.
>
> David and Bill - Thank you both for your insights. I had to chuckle just
a little bit when David used the word "practical" to refer to an airplane.
[Laughing] Unfortunately, in order to follow David's advice (which I
would love to do), I would be in the market for a Saratoga, and the budget
definately does not support that. No, the Air Camper will be a family
airplane in that the entire family will build it and (hopefully) develop a
love for low and slow flying, one family member at a time.
>
> Thanks again for welcoming me into the fold!
>
> Gary
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292189#292189
>
>
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists |
Gary,
At the very least, if you don't feel like laying out $250 for the full
set of plans, buy the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual with the original
Pietenpol plans from the EAA:
http://www.shopeaa.com/1932flyingandglidermanual.aspx
It'll be the best $6.95 + S&H you'll ever spend. Heck, sounds like you
could save the S&H and drive over and pick it up yourself.
The other thing I suggest you do is check out Chris Tracy's excellent
Pietenpol web site, http://www.westcoastpiet.com. There are ton of
great photos of Piet details as well has hand drawn sketches of how
different builders came up different solutions to the same problems.
Good stuff.
Cheers,
Dan
On 03/29/2010 08:30 AM, gtche98 wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gtche98"
>
> Thanks to all for your warm welcome and thoughtful advice. I very much appreciate
it, and look forward to getting to know each of you in the upcoming days,
months, years.
>
> To those that have recommended getting the plans first, I will certainly take
that into consideration. I am considering this a long term project, and live
only minutes from Oshkosh and hours from Brodhead, so neither of these will be
significant excursions for me (thankfully), and I anticipate being at both every
year for the foreseeable future. Having said that, you all have me wanting
to dive into the plans right now, so we may have to move that one up the list.
>
> Oscar - As mentioned at the end of my original post ( [Wink] ), I am in Greenville,
WI. I have already received a private email from a Piet builder in Greenville,
which was the holy grail email I was looking for...I will be making arrangements
to meet up with this individual in the near future. I would love
to know if there are any others in this area. Also, my understanding is that
Doc Mosher is a member of the Oshkosh EAA chapter, so that is probably where I
will secure my local chapter membership.
>
> David and Bill - Thank you both for your insights. I had to chuckle just a little
bit when David used the word "practical" to refer to an airplane. [Laughing]
Unfortunately, in order to follow David's advice (which I would love
to do), I would be in the market for a Saratoga, and the budget definately does
not support that. No, the Air Camper will be a family airplane in that the
entire family will build it and (hopefully) develop a love for low and slow flying,
one family member at a time.
>
> Thanks again for welcoming me into the fold!
>
> Gary
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292189#292189
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists |
| From: | "gtche98" <garywilson213(at)yahoo.com> |
Yup - Already have the 32 F&G Manual, and have read BPs article about 30 times!
Someone earlier in the thread had mentioned Chris's website and I am working my
way through it now. It will take quite some time as he has built up an impressive
vault of information.
Thanks for the information!
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Well, yeah, he did. But he also just finished saying that he had helped his Dad
build a two-seater airplane (over a twenty year period). That's what I assumed
was meant by "family" plane - that it was a family project.
Different interpretations of the same words, I guess.
Anyway, I think that holding out for a six-seater, 200mph airplane would mean NEVER
having an airplane, for the vast majority of us.
Bill C.
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: New Member Lurking on the Lists
As I recall, he used the phrase "family airplane."
David Paule
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| Subject: | Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
And as if you didn't already have enough recommended reading material
Gary, don't forget the book "The Peitenpol Story" by Chet Peak (who is
building a Pietenpol and attends Brodhead sometimes). All the rest of
his book are great too.
http://www.threepeakspub.com/
rick
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 7:30 AM, gtche98 wrote:
>
> Thanks to all for your warm welcome and thoughtful advice. I very much appreciate
it, and look forward to getting to know each of you in the upcoming days,
months, years.
>
> To those that have recommended getting the plans first, I will certainly take
that into consideration. I am considering this a long term project, and live
only minutes from Oshkosh and hours from Brodhead, so neither of these will be
significant excursions for me (thankfully), and I anticipate being at both every
year for the foreseeable future. Having said that, you all have me wanting
to dive into the plans right now, so we may have to move that one up the list.
>
> Oscar - As mentioned at the end of my original post ( [Wink] ), I am in Greenville,
WI. I have already received a private email from a Piet builder in Greenville,
which was the holy grail email I was looking for...I will be making arrangements
to meet up with this individual in the near future. I would love to
know if there are any others in this area. Also, my understanding is that Doc
Mosher is a member of the Oshkosh EAA chapter, so that is probably where I will
secure my local chapter membership.
>
> David and Bill - Thank you both for your insights. I had to chuckle just a little
bit when David used the word "practical" to refer to an airplane. [Laughing]
Unfortunately, in order to follow David's advice (which I would love to
do), I would be in the market for a Saratoga, and the budget definately does not
support that. No, the Air Camper will be a family airplane in that the entire
family will build it and (hopefully) develop a love for low and slow flying,
one family member at a time.
>
> Thanks again for welcoming me into the fold!
>
> Gary
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292189#292189
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists |
Actually the Piet qualifies quite well, during 1929 and 30 the auto didn't
travel much faster than 40 mph, young family, wife if she could stand the
ride, the first child or family dog. It all seems to fit quite well. Its an
airplane not a jet, but they didn't have Jets back in those days and if you
dressed properly as if you were riding in your open top car it was pretty
much the same environment. Except for the road dirt and dust in your face.
Here in Lancaster County Pa the roads contain more than dust and dirt, our
Amish community family and work transportation sees to that aspect.
John
In a message dated 3/29/2010 11:24:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
billspiet(at)sympatico.ca writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church"
Well, yeah, he did. But he also just finished saying that he had helped
his Dad build a two-seater airplane (over a twenty year period). That's what
I assumed was meant by "family" plane - that it was a family project.
Different interpretations of the same words, I guess.
Anyway, I think that holding out for a six-seater, 200mph airplane would
mean NEVER having an airplane, for the vast majority of us.
Bill C.
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: New Member Lurking on
the Lists
As I recall, he used the phrase "family airplane."
David Paule
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: welcome Gary |
On 03/29/2010 09:31 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] wrote:
> There are FOUR books in this series and I highly recommend getting the whole
enchilada right up front. Merry Christmas.
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/bv/books_bingelis.html
I'd add one more to that list, too. The "Wood Aircraft Building
Techniques" book:
http://www.shopeaa.com/woodaircraftbuildingtechniques.aspx
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists |
That's probably why Cessna sold so many 172s. It's about twice as fast as a
car, holds a family of four with a little baggage, and has a heater and is
out of the wind. A Piper Tri-Pacer will do about the same thing. Your choice
of either for around $25,000, and there's financing available.
But a Pietenpol makes a great family project... just not a practical family
airplane. Try to imagine how a family with two children would go to an
airport 40 miles away for breakfast with one.
David Paule
>
> Anyway, I think that holding out for a six-seater, 200mph airplane would
> mean NEVER having an airplane, for the vast majority of us.
>
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists |
And the Pietenpol design has been known to rescue a family (a wife and two small
children on one trip then the pilot went back for the father) from where they
were stranded during a snow storm once long ago...
So maybe that qualified as two adults and two children....
-----Original Message-----
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Sent: Mar 29, 2010 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Actually the Piet qualifies quite well, during 1929 and 30 the auto didn't
travel much faster than 40 mph, young family, wife if she could stand the ride,
the first child or family dog. It all seems to fit quite well. Its an airplane
not a jet, but they didn't have Jets back in those days and if you dressed
properly as if you were riding in your open top car it was pretty much the same
environment. Except for the road dirt and dust in your face. Here in Lancaster
County Pa the roads contain more than dust and dirt, our Amish community family
and work transportation sees to that aspect.
John
In a message dated 3/29/2010 11:24:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
billspiet(at)sympatico.ca writes:
-->
Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church"
Well, yeah, he did. But he also just
finished saying that he had helped his Dad build a two-seater airplane (over
a
twenty year period). That's what I assumed was meant by "family" plane - that
it was a family project.
Different interpretations of the same words, I
guess.
Anyway, I think that holding out for a six-seater, 200mph
airplane would mean NEVER having an airplane, for the vast majority of
us.
Bill C.
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:49
am Post subject: New Member Lurking on the Lists
As I recall,
he used the phrase "family airplane."
David
Paule
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | new pipes for N8031! |
So, the only credit I can take for these is the fact that I could take
the old pipes off, send them to the exhaust welder in Fla.
(http://www.flyoldplanes.com), and put the shiny new stainless ones on,
again.
But, dang! it feels good to be able to do some of the work myself on
*my* plane.
They look really cool, too.
Now if the winds would settle down this week, I'd go flying...
Cheers,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: new pipes for N8031! |
Those look great! Two questions: How does the carb heat get heat off
those stack? How much did they cost?
>So, the only credit I can take for these is the fact that I could
>take the old pipes off, send them to the exhaust welder in Fla.
>(http://www.flyoldplanes.com), and put the shiny new stainless ones
>on, again.
>
>But, dang! it feels good to be able to do some of the work myself on
>*my* plane.
>
>They look really cool, too.
>
>Now if the winds would settle down this week, I'd go flying...
>
>Cheers,
>Dan
>
>--
>Dan Yocum
>Fermilab 630.840.6509
>yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
--
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: new pipes for N8031! |
Dan,
nice looking pipes. I wouldn't advertise them though.
Oh BTW I understand Markle is going to be in the Chicago area soon, I am
certain he's gonna love them. A lot!
John
In a message dated 3/29/2010 4:35:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
yocum(at)fnal.gov writes:
So, the only credit I can take for these is the fact that I could take
the old pipes off, send them to the exhaust welder in Fla.
(http://www.flyoldplanes.com), and put the shiny new stainless ones on,
again.
But, dang! it feels good to be able to do some of the work myself on
*my* plane.
They look really cool, too.
Now if the winds would settle down this week, I'd go flying...
Cheers,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: new pipes for N8031! |
I took the photos w/o the carb muff attached. You can see the scat hose
on the right hand side behind the pipe - that's where the old muff will
go, again.
Cost was about $100 less then an official FAA Repair Shop (I got a quote
from Dawley Aviation in Burlington). Oh, I should note, these are not
yellow tagged pipes. I did ask Sonny, the owner/welder, if he did "the
right thing" to shield the backs of the welds with argon and he verified
that he did.
Lucky for me, I know Markle doesn't need A65 pipes, using that old Ford
that he is. Whew! Now, the impending addition of that other Piet at my
airport... those guys, I'll have to worry about!
;-)
Cheers,
Dan
On 03/29/2010 03:42 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote:
>
> Those look great! Two questions: How does the carb heat get heat off
> those stack? How much did they cost?
>
>
>> So, the only credit I can take for these is the fact that I could take
>> the old pipes off, send them to the exhaust welder in Fla.
>> (http://www.flyoldplanes.com), and put the shiny new stainless ones
>> on, again.
>>
>> But, dang! it feels good to be able to do some of the work myself on
>> *my* plane.
>>
>> They look really cool, too.
>>
>> Now if the winds would settle down this week, I'd go flying...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dan
>>
>> --
>> Dan Yocum
>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists |
I can imagine a family with two children going an airport 40 miles away for
breakfast would look something like this.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Frank%20Pavliga/pav.jpg
Look closely, and count the people.
Chris
Sacramento,Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Paule
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists
That's probably why Cessna sold so many 172s. It's about twice as fast as a
car, holds a family of four with a little baggage, and has a heater and is
out of the wind. A Piper Tri-Pacer will do about the same thing. Your choice
of either for around $25,000, and there's financing available.
But a Pietenpol makes a great family project... just not a practical family
airplane. Try to imagine how a family with two children would go to an
airport 40 miles away for breakfast with one.
David Paule
>
> Anyway, I think that holding out for a six-seater, 200mph airplane
> would mean NEVER having an airplane, for the vast majority of us.
>
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Just wanted to update: our Corvair package has been sold to a good home!
Thank you to those that inquired.
If you still need an engine for your project, do not despair! We still have
our Continental A-65 available, with only 1505TT and 709SMOH and complete
logs. In the shipping crate, ready to head to your hangar or shop. The first
$3,000 snaps it up! :)
Have a good day,
Ryan
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> We have unfortunately decided to put our Corvair conversion parts up for
> sale.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? That's pretty incredible.
So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds available
to purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Just wanted to update: our Corvair package has been sold to a good home!
Thank you to those that inquired.
If you still need an engine for your project, do not despair! We still have
our Continental A-65 available, with only 1505TT and 709SMOH and complete
logs. In the shipping crate, ready to head to your hangar or shop. The first
$3,000 snaps it up! :)
Have a good day,
Ryan
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
Hello all,
We have unfortunately decided to put our Corvair conversion parts up for
sale.
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Tell ya what,
If I didnt have an engine with more than that already in it I would be
allover that. I passed the $3,000 mark quite a while ago and still counting.
Sounds like a great deal
John
In a message dated 3/30/2010 12:16:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rmueller23(at)gmail.com writes:
Just wanted to update: our Corvair package has been sold to a good home!
Thank you to those that inquired.
If you still need an engine for your project, do not despair! We still
have our Continental A-65 available, with only 1505TT and 709SMOH and complete
logs. In the shipping crate, ready to head to your hangar or shop. The
first $3,000 snaps it up! :)
Have a good day,
Ryan
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Ryan Mueller <_rmueller23(at)gmail.com_
(mailto:rmueller23(at)gmail.com) > wrote:
Hello all,
We have unfortunately decided to put our Corvair conversion parts up for
sale.
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Ryan, You're not getting rid of your piet are you? I saw your corvair for sale
on barnstormers, but didn't put 2 and 2 togeather. Hope youre going to stick
with the piet project.
Shad
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Alright gents. Let's not have any of that old "crank snappin' Corvair"
smack again. I just wanted you to know that Ryan's misfortune is my great
fortune and his 5th bearing equipped Corvair will be going on N328X in
McPherson, KS. This, of course, means that I now have a Corvair project
in a much earlier stage of development that I will be making available to
persons of high quality and unassailable virtue at some point in the near
future.
I have kept the crankshaft carefully preserved in formaldehyde separately
from the rest of the engine just so it won't snap of it's own accord some
cold night in the shop.
Tom Stinemetze
So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds
available to purchase a flying Pietenpol?
Jack Phillips
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| From: | Ben Williams <Ben.Williams(at)pdi.dreamworks.com> |
| Subject: | project for sale |
Pietfolk,
I was making good progress until we adopted a little girl. No work has
been done on it for four years, my enthusiasm to complete it is gone,
and I bought a 1970 AA-1 Yankee. It's time to pass the project on.
Here's a link to images...
http://willgoh.typepad.com/pietenpol_project/
Corvair engine, Ash for 2+ projects, plywood, AN hardware (bolts,
nuts, washers), one piece wing (ribs, spars with douglas fir, t-88)
This project is in Daly City, Ca. (SF Bay Area).
Not parting out, $500.
Thanks,
Ben Williams.
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| Subject: | Unbelievable Homebuilt Workmanship |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Not sure if this website has been mentioned here before, but there is a father
and son team in Switzerland that is building a Hatz biplane that has out of this
world workmanship and quality. They have a nice website (in English, no less)
documenting the project, which they are almost six years into now, and looks
like they are getting close to the covering stage.
I know it's not a Piet, but the work is inspiring. Check it out.
http://www.aeroplaneworks.ch/index2.html
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292372#292372
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
We unfortunately are Shad, because we just cannot spend enough time at the
shop to make any meaningful progress. At the rate we are going we will
finish about the time we should retire. That is unacceptable. :P
Once we have a place where we can build where we live (or very close by) we
will start building a Piet again. We're not completely abandoning it, just
putting the build on the back burner.; for the next few years at least it
looks like flying is feasible, and building not so much, so we're going to
fly!
So we are selling the project, the 'Vair, the A-65....all of our stuff we
have accumulated, and we are going to buy a flying Pietenpol instead. We
have been talking with a gentleman that has a very nice Piet for sale....we
are going to look at in two weeks, and if all goes well we hope to buy it by
the 1st of July, and (crossing my fingers) hopefully have it at Brodhead.
Selling the Corvair parts was the key.....selling the A-65 would make it far
less stressful to put the money together by July 1, but it should be doable
either way. Hopefully someone would like to give the A-65 a good home! :P
Have a good day,
Ryan
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:29 AM, shad bell wrote:
>
> Ryan, You're not getting rid of your piet are you? I saw your corvair for
> sale on barnstormers, but didn't put 2 and 2 togeather. Hope youre going to
> stick with the piet project.
> Shad
>
>
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | project for sale |
Ben,
Did you omit a ZERO?
Jack
DSM
Pietfolk,
I was making good progress until we adopted a little girl. No work has
been done on it for four years, my enthusiasm to complete it is gone,
and I bought a 1970 AA-1 Yankee. It's time to pass the project on.
Here's a link to images...
http://willgoh.typepad.com/pietenpol_project/
Corvair engine, Ash for 2+ projects, plywood, AN hardware (bolts,
nuts, washers), one piece wing (ribs, spars with douglas fir, t-88)
This project is in Daly City, Ca. (SF Bay Area).
Not parting out, $500.
Thanks,
Ben Williams.
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| From: | John Egan <johnegan99(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Firewall Fabrication |
Builders,=0A=0AI will beginning my steel sheet firewall soon, and am intere
sted in builders comments on firewall construction, specifically, if people
use a flange as-a means of attaching the cowling. I have been planning o
n bending a flange, and I also wonder if the flange is needed for any reaso
n at the bottom edge where the cowl-droops down a little below the firewa
ll.=0A=0ASo,-=0A1.-- Do people use the flange to attach the cowl alon
g the rounded top edge?=0A2.---Is the flange needed at the bottom edg
e, or do people roll the bottom edge completely over, or maybe bend a short
flange backward on a 45 degree angle along the bottom, or omit the flange
on the bottom?=0A3.-- What are good ways to attach the steel firewall s
heet to the plywood firewall, and is fiberfrax recommended behind the steel
sheet?=0A=0Aby the way, Tony Bingiles recomends using .018" sheet.=0A=0AAl
so, I welded up a flanging tool out of a pair of vise grips to make those l
ittle waves that are needed when you bend a flange around a curved shape.
=0A=0Athanks all,=0A=0Ajohn egan=0Agreenville, wi=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Unbelievable Homebuilt Workmanship |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I had a chance to meet those guys when they were here at Poplar Grove. It
was a fun time. You can see my hangar off the left wingtip, in the photo
with the three guys.
One disheartening thing they told me, is that this type of fun flying is
so restrictive and expensive there, that even when they finish, they will
only be able to afford to fly 15 or 30 hours (can't remember exactly). Th
ere are landing and take-off fees for every operation. They also said that
a place like Poplar Grove would be unheard of in Switzerland. The governm
ent has a stranglehold on general aviation, all in the name of "safety".
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
NX929DH
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Sent: Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:59 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Unbelievable Homebuilt Workmanship
a>
Not sure if this website has been mentioned here before, but there is a fa
ther
nd son team in Switzerland that is building a Hatz biplane that has out of
this
orld workmanship and quality. They have a nice website (in English, no les
s)
ocumenting the project, which they are almost six years into now, and look
s
ike they are getting close to the covering stage.
know it's not a Piet, but the work is inspiring. Check it out.
http://www.aeroplaneworks.ch/index2.html
Bill C.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Firewall Fabrication |
John,
I used thin (probably around .018" dead soft stainless steel from Dillsburg
Aeroplane Works for my firewall and bent the flange
over on all sides using Tony Bingelis' easy method around the top curvature
. I only have three small screws holding my stainless
sheet to my 1/8" plywood firewall-you really don't need a whole lot more be
cause the motor mount ears and bolts do a nice
job of keeping it tight in addition to any cowling you screw to it. I di
d put a thin (maybe 1/8" thick or less) Fiberfrax ceramic blanket
layer between my 1/8" plywood firewall and the dead soft stainless firewall
and just used a few dabs of contact cement on that
piece to keep it in place while I installed the sheet stainless. I pref
erred going over the fabric with my firewall rather than bending
the firewall edges toward the prop-just made more sense to me but then agai
n there are probably Piets with flush mounted
sheet steel firewalls which is okay too.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | forming aluminum |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
I'm trying to get this cowl formed a little better and a friend wants me to try
and put some roll around the edges were it is close to the scoops. it will be
along a curve which will cause it to have to stretch too. he says he thinks I
can anneal the aluminum enough to form it with a hammer on a block of wood. I'm
using .025" 2024T3 which is thin and pretty hard. what are the chances I could
get it soft enough to maybe work about a 45 degree bend along a curved edge
on it without cracking? Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over Dallas/ |
Ft. W
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
true-it is incredible, but kinda looked photo shopped to me.it sits there like
it is on a stand never a wobble till it turns away. must have been some mighty
smooth air?
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: forming aluminum |
Without heat, you should be able to form the edges around a thin welding
filler wire. Just leave an extra 1/4" or so, and start forming with
linesmen pliers. It's easier than you think.
I did all around the openings for my cylenders, and for the front of my
eyebrows
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: skellytown flyer
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 5:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming aluminum
I'm trying to get this cowl formed a little better and a friend wants
me to try and put some roll around the edges were it is close to the
scoops. it will be along a curve which will cause it to have to stretch
too. he says he thinks I can anneal the aluminum enough to form it with
a hammer on a block of wood. I'm using .025" 2024T3 which is thin and
pretty hard. what are the chances I could get it soft enough to maybe
work about a 45 degree bend along a curved edge on it without cracking?
Raymond
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| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
I have found some discrepancies in the GN-1 plans. Certainly not the first. My
question concerns the location of the rudder pedals for the rear seat. If I
put them where they show on the plans I think I will have my knees in my chin
and I am not a tall person. If I put them where i think they need to go they
will prevent the support under the front edge of the front seat from extending
to the longerons. I read some where on the forum of concern that if the front
seat is not supported laterally it could collapse sideways.
The previous builder of my project planned to support the front seat on a set of
pedestal brackets front and back that give little lateral support. Have any
GN-1 builders encountered this. I am estimating that my rudder pedals front
and back will be 41" from the backrest of their respective seats.
Jon Coxwell
Remsen NY
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: forming aluminum |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Walt,
Thanks for sharing that. I am not yet to sheet metal work, but I will get some
scrap and practice that.
Jon Coxwell
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over |
Dallas/ Ft. W
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Yea, there is something phony about that video.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
NX929DH
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From: skellytown flyer <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 30, 2010 4:09 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over
Dallas/ Ft. W
o.com>
true-it is incredible, but kinda looked photo shopped to me.it sits there
like
t is on a stand never a wobble till it turns away. must have been some mig
hty
mooth air?
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Fabrication |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
John - I didn't flange anything. Just took a thin piece of flat stainless, cut
out the notches for the engine mount, and then screwed the metal on with a bunch
of screws into the structure around the edges. Simple and works great.
I put a layer of fiberfrax in between but in retrospect that seems like overkill
(silly, expensive and heavy).
When I attached the fabric I removed the firewall and glued the fabric around the
edge of the structure (had to clearance the fiberfrax a little), and then reattached
the metal.
Best regards,
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Fabrication |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Bingelis says you don't need the fiberfrax if using a steel sheet
against the firewall, but it can't hurt.
rick
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 4:11 PM, kevinpurtee wrote:
>
> John - I didn't flange anything. Just took a thin piece of flat stainless, cut
out the notches for the engine mount, and then screwed the metal on with a bunch
of screws into the structure around the edges. Simple and works great.
>
> I put a layer of fiberfrax in between but in retrospect that seems like overkill
(silly, expensive and heavy).
>
> When I attached the fabric I removed the firewall and glued the fabric around
the edge of the structure (had to clearance the fiberfrax a little), and then
reattached the metal.
>
> Best regards,
> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292409#292409
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | "bryan green" <lgreen1(at)sc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 question |
Mine are approx. 40" from the backrest and attached to the front seat cross
member. I can send you a picture if you want.
Bryan Green
Elgin SC
----- Original Message -----
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 5:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 question
>
>
> I have found some discrepancies in the GN-1 plans. Certainly not the
> first. My question concerns the location of the rudder pedals for the
> rear seat. If I put them where they show on the plans I think I will have
> my knees in my chin and I am not a tall person. If I put them where i
> think they need to go they will prevent the support under the front edge
> of the front seat from extending to the longerons. I read some where on
> the forum of concern that if the front seat is not supported laterally it
> could collapse sideways.
>
> The previous builder of my project planned to support the front seat on a
> set of pedestal brackets front and back that give little lateral support.
> Have any GN-1 builders encountered this. I am estimating that my rudder
> pedals front and back will be 41" from the backrest of their respective
> seats.
>
> Jon Coxwell
> Remsen NY
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292403#292403
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: forming aluminum |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
Well so much for patience- I couldn't stand to try it without annealing. so I annealed
it some and started rolling the edge with pliers and tape over the jaws.
it was coming along fairly good. but I decided to trim some and re-anneal and
roll some more. that wasn't a good move.when I hit it with the torch again
I got an instant crack about 1" long in the curve. guess there was enough stress
that the weakening from the heat let er rip.Oh well-I have a pattern and enough
metal to cut another one. maybe better luck tomorrow.this is tedious work
and I am not a patient person. Raymond
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Dan,
Just got back from a trip, so didn't see your email until today.
My empty cg is 49.46. I did move the engine forward 3.5 inches and the wing
is back 1" My engine also has a counterbalanced crank and a second magneto,
so it's a bit heavier than standard, though it is probably the same as an
iron headed engine I'd imagine.
Douwe
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Ck out the electronic Westach in the aircraft Spruce catalog. Works great
on mine, and Larry Williams has been using one for years with success.
Lightweight and easy to install and very accurate (I cked it)
Douwe
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| From: | "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: electronic tach |
Ditto for me--Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 7:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: electronic tach
>
>
> Ck out the electronic Westach in the aircraft Spruce catalog. Works great
> on mine, and Larry Williams has been using one for years with success.
> Lightweight and easy to install and very accurate (I cked it)
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills west o
f you. Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jack
Phillips =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASen
t: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William W
ynne Corvair conversion parts for sale=0A=0A =0AWow! An A65 with only 1505
Total Time? =0AThat=99s pretty incredible.=0A =0ASo having sold that
Chevrolet boat-anchor=0Ayou now have some funds available to purchase a fl
ying Pietenpol? =0ACongratulations, Ryan!=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0AR
aleigh, NC=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-piete
npol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matroni
cs.com ] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller=0ASent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010=0A12:16
PM=0ATo: Pietenpol List=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List:=0AWilliam Wynne Corv
air conversion parts for sale=0A =0AJust wanted to update: our Corvair pack
age has been sold to a good=0Ahome! Thank you to those that inquired.=0A
=0AIf you still need an engine for your project, do not despair! We still
=0Ahave our Continental A-65 available, with only 1505TT and 709SMOH and co
mplete=0Alogs. In the shipping crate, ready to head to your hangar or shop.
The first=0A$3,000 snaps it up! :)=0A =0AHave a good day,=0A =0ARyan=0AO
n Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
=0AHello all,=0A=0AWe have unfortunately decided to put our Corvair convers
ion parts up for sale.=0A=0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Naviga
tor?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over Dallas/ |
Ft. Wo
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Love the B-25... Grandpa's airplane... I sure miss him.
--------
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year, Gardiner? My
low power but utterly reliable Continental has made the trip 3 times now.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills west of
you. Gardiner
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? That's pretty incredible.
So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds available
to purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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| From: | <dknoll(at)cox.net> |
Someone was on the list earlier today describing the intercom that worked so well
in his Piet. For some reason I cannot find that email. I need the name and
part number of this intercom.
Thanks,
Do not arch rive
Lynn Knoll
Wichita
Piet/Vair in the works
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| Subject: | Re: Unbelievable Homebuilt Workmanship |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Wow! Suer Duper! And how about that web site? Also well put together.
--------
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is workin
g great so far. By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made a mistake
by using the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bell
south.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8
:33:01 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion p
arts for sale=0A=0A =0ADoes that mean you are going to fly it to=0ABrodhead
this year, Gardiner? My low power but utterly reliable Continental has=0A
made the trip 3 times now.=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ARaleigh, NC=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-serv
er(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Be
half Of airlion=0ASent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04=0APM=0ATo: pietenpol-l
ist(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List:=0AWilliam Wynne Corvair co
nversion parts for sale=0A =0AWell Jack, at least my boat anchor will get m
e over those=0Ahigh hills west of you. Gardiner=0A =0A=0A__________________
______________=0A =0AFrom:Jack Phillips =0ATo: piet
enpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01=0APM=0ASubjec
t: RE: Pietenpol-List:=0AWilliam Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale=0A
Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total=0ATime? That=99s pretty incredible
.=0A =0ASo having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor=0Ayou now have some funds
available to purchase a flying Pietenpol? =0ACongratulations, Ryan!=0A =0A
========
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 question |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Bryan,
Yes, please send or post a picture if it is not too much trouble. I would like
to see how you supported the seat as well.
Thanks
Jon Coxwell
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
Greg,
Sure. Here's two shots from westcoastpiet. We've cleaned up the
routing of the wires since the photo was taken, using sticky-backed
cable clamps from Office Depot or Staples.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Wayne%20Bob%20and%20Jeff/IMG_0126.JPG
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Wayne%20Bob%20and%20Jeff/IMG_0127.JPG
HTH,
Jeff
>
>Can I get picture Jeff of the intercom and its placement? Thanks Greg, DE
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
>>Sent: Mar 21, 2010 7:30 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: intercom
>>
>>
>>Douwe,
>>
>>Our intercom is a FlightTech ITC-401TC. It's a portable that runs off
>>a 9V battery. We replace the battery at every annual, whether it
>>needs it or not. We've mounted in on the back of the front seat, to
>>the right of the pilot's left-leg knee out. Works great with every
>>mix of headsets that we've thrown at it.
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>
>>--
>>---
>>
>>Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
>>Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
>>Emory University School of Medicine
>>Editor-in-Chief
>>Molecular Vision
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Firewall Fabrication |
John,
I used 12 ga. Galvanized and a former to help make the bends (also my home
made flanging pliers). Not as shiny as Mike C's, nor is it flight tested or
fire tested. The sides and top are bent forward, while the bottom is bent
back.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Fabrication
Builders,
I will beginning my steel sheet firewall soon, and am interested in builders
comments on firewall construction, specifically, if people use a flange as a
means of attaching the cowling. I have been planning on bending a flange,
and I also wonder if the flange is needed for any reason at the bottom edge
where the cowl droops down a little below the firewall.
So,
1. Do people use the flange to attach the cowl along the rounded top edge?
2. Is the flange needed at the bottom edge, or do people roll the bottom
edge completely over, or maybe bend a short flange backward on a 45 degree
angle along the bottom, or omit the flange on the bottom?
3. What are good ways to attach the steel firewall sheet to the plywood
firewall, and is fiberfrax recommended behind the steel sheet?
by the way, Tony Bingiles recomends using .018" sheet.
Also, I welded up a flanging tool out of a pair of vise grips to make those
little waves that are needed when you bend a flange around a curved shape.
thanks all,
john egan
greenville, wi
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Firewall Fabrication |
John,
I used 12 ga. Galvanized and a former to help make the bends (also my home
made flanging pliers). Not as shiny as Mike C's, nor is it flight tested or
fire tested. The sides and top are bent forward, while the bottom is bent
back.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Fabrication
Builders,
I will beginning my steel sheet firewall soon, and am interested in builders
comments on firewall construction, specifically, if people use a flange as a
means of attaching the cowling. I have been planning on bending a flange,
and I also wonder if the flange is needed for any reason at the bottom edge
where the cowl droops down a little below the firewall.
So,
1. Do people use the flange to attach the cowl along the rounded top edge?
2. Is the flange needed at the bottom edge, or do people roll the bottom
edge completely over, or maybe bend a short flange backward on a 45 degree
angle along the bottom, or omit the flange on the bottom?
3. What are good ways to attach the steel firewall sheet to the plywood
firewall, and is fiberfrax recommended behind the steel sheet?
by the way, Tony Bingiles recomends using .018" sheet.
Also, I welded up a flanging tool out of a pair of vise grips to make those
little waves that are needed when you bend a flange around a curved shape.
thanks all,
john egan
greenville, wi
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | forming aluminum |
Skellytown,
I am so ignorant about shete medal work that I don't even know how to spell
it! But someone sent me the attached, "Bead Wire" and I was able to produce
two cooling ears right. My first one was with .025 and I had a great deal of
trouble making it bend, so I switched to .016 and the next two came out
great.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of skellytown
flyer
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 2:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming aluminum
I'm trying to get this cowl formed a little better and a friend wants me to
try and put some roll around the edges were it is close to the scoops. it
will be along a curve which will cause it to have to stretch too. he says he
thinks I can anneal the aluminum enough to form it with a hammer on a block
of wood. I'm using .025" 2024T3 which is thin and pretty hard. what are the
chances I could get it soft enough to maybe work about a 45 degree bend
along a curved edge on it without cracking? Raymond
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
I think Bernard liked to experiment. At the time he used that Corvair, it
was far cheaper than an aircraft engine. That is no longer the case (the
email that started this thread was about a Corvair PROJECT that was for sale
for $6,000, which is four times as much as I paid for my Continental A-65,
and is nearly half what I've got in the Lycoming O-540 that I'll put in the
RV-10). I owned a Corvair for several years (we bought it new in 1966, so
it wasn't worn out when we got it, although it was 3 years later) and
learned a great deal about the "reliability' of both the engine and the car.
I remember that the Corvair was used in one of my machine design classes in
college as an example of how NOT to design a belt-drive system.
But these airplanes are licensed as "Experimental", so go for it. I just
prefer aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for cars. The design
requirements are totally different.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is working
great so far. By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made a mistake by
using the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner
_____
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:33:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year, Gardiner? My
low power but utterly reliable Continental has made the trip 3 times now.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills west of
you. Gardiner
_____
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? That's pretty incredible.
So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds available
to purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 question |
| From: | Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net> |
I moved mine far enough forward for my legs. Don't trust the CAD plans.
Tom Bernie
N666TB
Gloucester Mass
On Mar 30, 2010, at 5:34 PM, coxwelljon wrote:
>
> I have found some discrepancies in the GN-1 plans. Certainly not the first.
My question concerns the location of the rudder pedals for the rear seat. If
I put them where they show on the plans I think I will have my knees in my chin
and I am not a tall person. If I put them where i think they need to go they
will prevent the support under the front edge of the front seat from extending
to the longerons. I read some where on the forum of concern that if the front
seat is not supported laterally it could collapse sideways.
>
> The previous builder of my project planned to support the front seat on a set
of pedestal brackets front and back that give little lateral support. Have any
GN-1 builders encountered this. I am estimating that my rudder pedals front
and back will be 41" from the backrest of their respective seats.
>
> Jon Coxwell
> Remsen NY
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292403#292403
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | greg menoche <gnwac(at)earthlink.net> |
Thanks for the pictures of you intercom Jeff. Greg
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
>Sent: Mar 30, 2010 9:17 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: intercom
>
>
>Greg,
>
>Sure. Here's two shots from westcoastpiet. We've cleaned up the
>routing of the wires since the photo was taken, using sticky-backed
>cable clamps from Office Depot or Staples.
>
>http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Wayne%20Bob%20and%20Jeff/IMG_0126.JPG
>
>http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Wayne%20Bob%20and%20Jeff/IMG_0127.JPG
>
>
>HTH,
>
>Jeff
>
>>
>>Can I get picture Jeff of the intercom and its placement? Thanks Greg, DE
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
>>>Sent: Mar 21, 2010 7:30 AM
>>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: intercom
>>>
>>>
>>>Douwe,
>>>
>>>Our intercom is a FlightTech ITC-401TC. It's a portable that runs off
>>>a 9V battery. We replace the battery at every annual, whether it
>>>needs it or not. We've mounted in on the back of the front seat, to
>>>the right of the pilot's left-leg knee out. Works great with every
>>>mix of headsets that we've thrown at it.
>>>
>>>Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>---
>>>
>>>Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
>>>Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
>>>Emory University School of Medicine
>>>Editor-in-Chief
>>>Molecular Vision
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>---
>
>Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
>Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
>Emory University School of Medicine
>Editor-in-Chief
>Molecular Vision
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
All the engine choices AFTER the model A were compromises for Bernie.er,..
sorry..Bernard (Bernerd). :o)
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, Mar 30, 2010 8:26 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sa
le
I think Bernard liked to experiment. At the time he used that Corvair, it
was far cheaper than an aircraft engine. That is no longer the case (the
email that started this thread was about a Corvair PROJECT that was for
sale for $6,000, which is four times as much as I paid for my Continental
A-65, and is nearly half what I=99ve got in the Lycoming O-540 that
I=99ll put in the RV-10). I owned a Corvair for several years (we
bought it new in 1966, so it wasn=99t worn out when we got it, alth
ough it was 3 years later) and learned a great deal about the =9Crel
iability=99 of both the engine and the car. I remember that the Cor
vair was used in one of my machine design classes in college as an example
of how NOT to design a belt-drive system.
But these airplanes are licensed as =9CExperimental=9D, so go
for it. I just prefer aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for
cars. The design requirements are totally different.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sa
le
I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is worki
ng great so far. By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made a mistak
e by using the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:33:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sa
le
Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year, Gardiner?
My low power but utterly reliable Continental has made the trip 3 times
now.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-l
ist-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sa
le
Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills west
of you. Gardiner
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sa
le
Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? That=99s pretty incredible.
So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds availabl
e to purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Fabrication |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I don't understand why everybody is flanging the firewall. The fabric only
needs 1" of glue surface and does not need to wrap around at all. I glued
a 1" wide piece of spruce vertically on the front of the fuse frame. This
is what the fabric is glued to. The front cowl then overlaps this piece,
and serves as security for the cowl hold-on screws.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
NX929DH
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, Mar 30, 2010 8:13 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Fabrication
John,
I used 12 ga. Galvanized and a former to help make the bends (also my home
made flanging pliers). Not as shiny as Mike C=99s, nor is it flight
tested or fire tested. The sides and top are bent forward, while the bott
om is bent back.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Fabrication
Builders,
I will beginning my steel sheet firewall soon, and am interested in builde
rs comments on firewall construction, specifically, if people use a flange
as a means of attaching the cowling. I have been planning on bending a fl
ange, and I also wonder if the flange is needed for any reason at the bott
om edge where the cowl droops down a little below the firewall.
So,
1. Do people use the flange to attach the cowl along the rounded top edg
e?
2. Is the flange needed at the bottom edge, or do people roll the bottom
edge completely over, or maybe bend a short flange backward on a 45 degre
e angle along the bottom, or omit the flange on the bottom?
3. What are good ways to attach the steel firewall sheet to the plywood
firewall, and is fiberfrax recommended behind the steel sheet?
by the way, Tony Bingiles recomends using .018" sheet.
Also, I welded up a flanging tool out of a pair of vise grips to make thos
e little waves that are needed when you bend a flange around a curved shap
e.
thanks all,
john egan
greenville, wi
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: forming aluminum |
Gents -
We'll be demonstrating this stuff again at Sun 'n Fun in the metal forming workshop
in a couple weeks. Sometimes people bring their current part to work on,
and we welcome them (although we obviously can't fit a custom part to a plane
that's in North Carolina; we get asked to do just that at least a couple times
during the week every year). We usually get a nice collection of tools lent to
us by assorted vendors. Amongst these has been a power bead roller with a number
of different die sets, including some that will form a wire-rolled edge.
One of our guys made himself a new set of eyebrows for his J-5 there a few years
back. If you're going to be there, bring the part. Even if you're not, we've
got material to play with and we can work with you to show you how to fabricate
your part when you get home.
That being said:
I've never annealed 2024. I HAVE annealed loads of 3003 with a torch, and it's
something I demonstrate at SNF. I suppose we could try annealing 2024 and see
what happens, but I'd rather spare the pain and suffering and talk to somebody
who knows more sheet metal metallurgy than I do before wasting the time, if it's
truly a waste.
There is a formula used to calculate the minimum bending radius of a piece of sheet
metal. Any radius smaller than that, and you're risking it cracking, as you
found out. I've got it in my sheet metal books (low tech) but it can be found
online with a simple search.
When you're working metal like this, be careful about making abrupt marks on the
metal surface (chisel marks, course sandpaper scratches, tooling marks). These
can create stress risers and promote a failure starting in that area. Smooth
marks (hammer blows) are ok. I bought a bead-roller from Harbor-Fright, but
the dies still have machining marks on them. I'm not using them until I can polish
them out, specifically for this reason. Ditto with the anvils on their English
Wheel. You get what you pay for.
Putting tape like you did over plier jaws, rivet sets, and other assorted tools
that could make a mess is a good technique and is widely used. I usually use
masking tape. Rubber tool-handle dip also works well and probably holds up better,
but it's messy and takes time to dry. With my patience apparently being similar
to others here, I usually just opt for the tape.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: skellytown flyer <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
>Sent: Mar 30, 2010 7:11 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: forming aluminum
>
>
>Well so much for patience- I couldn't stand to try it without annealing. so I
annealed it some and started rolling the edge with pliers and tape over the jaws.
it was coming along fairly good. but I decided to trim some and re-anneal
and roll some more. that wasn't a good move.when I hit it with the torch again
I got an instant crack about 1" long in the curve. guess there was enough stress
that the weakening from the heat let er rip.Oh well-I have a pattern and enough
metal to cut another one. maybe better luck tomorrow.this is tedious work
and I am not a patient person. Raymond
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292414#292414
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>
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Jack -
The last time I pointed the same thing out in this forum a couple years back, I
got blasted. Tread lightly.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips
Sent: Mar 30, 2010 9:26 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
I think Bernard liked to experiment. At the time he used that Corvair, it was
far cheaper than an aircraft engine. That is no longer the case (the email that
started this thread was about a Corvair PROJECT that was for sale for $6,000,
which is four times as much as I paid for my Continental A-65, and is nearly
half what Ive got in the Lycoming O-540 that Ill put in the RV-10). I owned
a Corvair for several years (we bought it new in 1966, so it wasnt worn out when
we got it, although it was 3 years later) and learned a great deal about the
reliability of both the engine and the car. I remember that the Corvair was
used in one of my machine design classes in college as an example of how NOT
to design a belt-drive system.
But these airplanes are licensed as Experimental, so go for it. I just prefer
aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for cars. The design requirements
are totally different.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is working great
so far. By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made a mistake by using
the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:33:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year, Gardiner? My low
power but utterly reliable Continental has made the trip 3 times now.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills west of you.
Gardiner
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? Thats pretty incredible.
So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds available to
purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ="| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Bernard used an aluminum block V-8 engine too |
I may be incorrect on this but I swear that one of Bernard's experiments wa
s to use a V-8 engine on one of his planes but that didn't
make it any more right or wrong than using a Lambert, Continental, Corvair,
or Subaru.
I'm with Jack on reliability though of a Continental. It is all a perso
nal choice but you takes yer chances.
Mike C.
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bernard used an aluminum block V-8 engine too |
I suspect that engine reliability is a product of several variables,
only one of which is the original design of the engine. How well is it
maintained? How hard is it run? How frequently is it run? Was it
assembled correctly? Were the right parts used / replaced? Is it
properly set up for the task? Is the pre-flight thorough enough to
catch a problem early?
Granted a Lycoming or Continental was constructed specifically to be
used on aircraft while an automobile engine was designed to be in an
entirely different environment (multiple and frequent speed changes,
dirtier air, LOTS of vibration, and on and on) but these things can be
and are correctable. William Wynne has amassed a vast amount of data on
the Corvair engine over the years and that has been incorporated into
current engine technology to great effect. Besides, some of the older
technology engines without all these refinements have gone over 1,000
hours trouble free. Newer ones have obviously snapped a couple of
cranks for one reason or another but so have the aircraft engines if
improperly used.
Sure you have to assemble a Corvair yourself, or pay someone to do it
for you, but let's remember that many of you folks are doing the same
thing with your aircraft grade engines. If you don't do it right it is
still going to bite you where it hurts. And YES, it probably will cost
more to convert a Corvair with all the newest parts. (But what a
gorgeous engine you have when it's all done.)
My decision to go with a Corvair over the other choices was based,
primarily, on available power. I have flown RC models for many years
and have personally experienced the woes of trying to fly an
underpowered aircraft. I don't want that feeling when my own "patutie"
is in the plane. I plan to fly, at least once, from McPherson, KS to
Mojave, CA and back which will require a certain amount of mountain
flying. I don't particularly want to taxi all the way across the divide
although that would certainly be a new type of experimental aviation.
Also, did I happen to mention that I am not exactly a light weight? I
also plan to carry a lot of passengers if I can find anyone with enough
guts to fly with me. I will appreciate the extra margin of safety with
regard to climb speed.
Sorry! I'm now off the soapbox. This is me blushing.
Tom Stinemetze
Proud new owner of Ryan Mueller's Corvair project.
N328X
>>Im with Jack on reliability though of a Continental. It is all a
personal choice but you takes yer chances.
>>Mike C.
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| From: | "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com> |
| Subject: | Re: forming aluminum |
Gary,
Very nice bead work!
You'll probably want to beef up the corner shown in the top picture where
the mounting screw is, because it'll most likely crack from the relief
radius to the mounting hole.
David Paule
> I am so ignorant about shete medal work that I don't even know how to
> spell
> it! But someone sent me the attached, "Bead Wire" and I was able to
> produce
> two cooling ears right. My first one was with .025 and I had a great deal
> of
> trouble making it bend, so I switched to .016 and the next two came out
> great.
>
> Gary Boothe
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| Subject: | New Corvair starter for sale |
| From: | "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143(at)aol.com> |
I have a brand new WW starter (just arrived), I have not even taken it out of the
box. I think they go for $210 now and $25 shipping. Would like to get $200
and I'll pay to ship. Please let me know if interested, thanks.
Steve
chase143(at)aol.com
And....no, I am not trying the fuel the Corvair/A65 debate! hahaha LOL :-)
--------
Steve
www.mypiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292510#292510
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | used, good condition A-65 starter for sale. |
It weighs nothing and costs nothing and it hasn't broken yet. I hear the Model
A uses the same kind of starter.
Seriously, for us full-figured girls having more power would be GREAT. I've often
fantasized about having an 0-200 someday.
I can easily see why the power of the Corvair is SO popular plus lots of guys don't
feel like hand propping and some need the electrical system to support radios and
transponders to get in and out of controlled or under controlled airspace environments.
I can especially see guys like Tom S. in Texas and Gary B. in CA having to fly
in hot
weather conditions.
I can especially see Rick Holland needing the power at his high elevations in Colorado
with that thin air. As much as I rag on the auto engines I can certainly see
why it is
a good option for lots of you guys.
Mike C.
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Initial cost has crept up (though there is no need to buy every Wynne
gold-level part), but maintenance/overhaul costs are still pretty
distinct.
>I think Bernard liked to experiment. At the time he used that
>Corvair, it was far cheaper than an aircraft engine. That is no
>longer the case (the email that started this thread was about a
>Corvair PROJECT that was for sale for $6,000, which is four times as
>much as I paid for my Continental A-65, and is nearly half what I've
>got in the Lycoming O-540 that I'll put in the RV-10). I owned a
>Corvair for several years (we bought it new in 1966, so it wasn't
>worn out when we got it, although it was 3 years later) and learned
>a great deal about the "reliability' of both the engine and the car.
>I remember that the Corvair was used in one of my machine design
>classes in college as an example of how NOT to design a belt-drive
>system.
>
>But these airplanes are licensed as "Experimental", so go for it. I
>just prefer aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for cars.
>The design requirements are totally different.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Raleigh, NC
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> |
I've been faithfully flying off my Phase 1 time in hopes of bringing my
Piet to Sun-N-Fun. Anybody else planning to bring theirs?
Ben Charvet
16.6 hrs done
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
To play devil's advocate: the Corvair project for $6,000 is everything
needed to assemble the Wynne based Corvair conversion, all parts reworked,
overhauled, or new. How much did you have in your A-65 after the cost of
acquisition, rework, new parts, etc? Just curious... ;)
Ryan
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Jack Phillips wrot
e:
> I think Bernard liked to experiment. At the time he used that Corvair,
> it was far cheaper than an aircraft engine. That is no longer the case (
the
> email that started this thread was about a Corvair PROJECT that was for s
ale
> for $6,000, which is four times as much as I paid for my Continental A-65
,
> and is nearly half what I=92ve got in the Lycoming O-540 that I=92ll put
in the
> RV-10). I owned a Corvair for several years (we bought it new in 1966, s
o
> it wasn=92t worn out when we got it, although it was 3 years later) and
> learned a great deal about the =93reliability=92 of both the engine and t
he
> car. I remember that the Corvair was used in one of my machine design
> classes in college as an example of how NOT to design a belt-drive system
.
>
>
> But these airplanes are licensed as =93Experimental=94, so go for it. I
just
> prefer aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for cars. The desi
gn
> requirements are totally different.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *airlion
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 PM
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for
> sale
>
>
> I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is
> working great so far. By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made a
> mistake by using the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Jack Phillips
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tue, March 30, 2010 8:33:01 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for
> sale
>
> Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year, Gardiner?
My
> low power but utterly reliable Continental has made the trip 3 times now.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ] *On Behalf Of *airlion
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for
> sale
>
>
> Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills west
> of you. Gardiner
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Jack Phillips
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for
> sale
>
> Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? That=92s pretty incredible.
>
>
> So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds availab
le
> to purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: electronic tach |
The westach is the tach on NX92GB. The one we use has the tach generator. The
only problem I have seen with it is it is inacurate, when compared to a timing
light/ tach (snap on brand). The higher the rpm's the more inacurate it is.
We indicate 3100rpm static, which the timing light reads about 2750-2800 rpm.
the westach is consistant just not accurate, in our case anyhow. I don't know
if others have this problem or not. We replaced the tah generator once, and
it seemed a little more accurate for the 1st few hrs, but then read higher
rpm's as time went by. I am not sure if there are any adjustments on the tach
gauge or not. On another note, I am missing out on the best flying weather in
the past 4-5 months, due to a bad back, I look like a question mark. ??? I need
to get healed up and back to work, and get started on some fly-in planning for
our little Ohio Piet fly-in here in June.
Shad
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | B-25 gathering in april |
To any of you around Ohio, dayton area, there is supposed to be a big staging of
20+ B-25's at urbana grimes airport on april 16-17. They are gathering for
the Doolittle Radiers reunion in Dayton. They are scheduled to meet at Urbana,
and fly out to dayton in a mass formation on the morning of Sat April 17. I
am not sure what time exactly, but I have heard that this will be the biggest
gathering of B-25's in 50 or so years. Hope to see some of you there if you
can make it.
Shad
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
Looks like 2 of the Big Piets will be there, Harold and Bruce. Frank and I
are not going to have the hours flown off. Bummer!
Barry Davis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun
-->
I've been faithfully flying off my Phase 1 time in hopes of bringing my
Piet to Sun-N-Fun. Anybody else planning to bring theirs?
Ben Charvet
16.6 hrs done
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| From: | jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: electronic tach |
Thanks everyone,
-
I've decided to go with a real cable driven Tach for the sake of the look.
I want it to be antique looking all over. Even my A-65 comes from the late
'40's. Using wire wheels too.
Jeff Wilson
GN-1
St. Louis, MO
chapt 64
--- On Wed, 3/31/10, shad bell wrote:
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: electronic tach
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 11:25 AM
The westach is the tach on NX92GB.- The one we use has the tach generator
.- The only problem I have seen with it is it is inacurate, when compared
to a timing light/ tach (snap on brand).- The higher the rpm's the more
inacurate it is.- We indicate 3100rpm static, which the timing light read
s about 2750-2800 rpm.- the westach is consistant just not accurate, in o
ur case anyhow.- I don't know if others have this problem or not.- We r
eplaced the tah generator once, and it seemed a little more accurate for th
e 1st few hrs, but then read higher rpm's as time went by. I am not sure if
there are any adjustments on the tach gauge or not. On another note, I am
missing out on the best flying weather in the past 4-5 months, due to a bad
back, I look like a question mark. ??? I need to get healed up and back to
work, and get started on some fly-in planning for our little Ohio Piet fly
-in here in June.-
Shad
- - -
le, List Admin.
=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
The USSR built this bad boy with 16 Corvair engines.
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> To play devil's advocate: the Corvair project for $6,000 is everything
> needed to assemble the Wynne based Corvair conversion, all parts reworked
,
> overhauled, or new. How much did you have in your A-65 after the cost of
> acquisition, rework, new parts, etc? Just curious... - ;)
> Ryan
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Jack Phillips
> wrote:
>>
>> I think Bernard liked to experiment.- At the time he used that Corvair
, it
>> was far cheaper than an aircraft engine.- That is no longer the case (
the
>> email that started this thread was about a Corvair PROJECT that was for
sale
>> for $6,000, which is four times as much as I paid for my Continental A-6
5,
>> and is nearly half what I=92ve got in the Lycoming O-540 that I=92ll put
in the
>> RV-10).- I owned a Corvair for several years (we bought it new in 1966
, so
>> it wasn=92t worn out when we got it, although it was 3 years later) and
>> learned a great deal about the =93reliability=92 of both the engine and
the
>> car.- I remember that the Corvair was used in one of my machine design
>> classes in college as an example of how NOT to design a belt-drive syste
m.
>>
>>
>>
>> But these airplanes are licensed as =93Experimental=94, so go for it.-
I just
>> prefer aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for cars.- The d
esign
>> requirements are totally different.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>>
>> NX899JP
>>
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 PM
>>
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for
>> sale
>>
>>
>>
>> I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is
>> working great so far.- By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made
a
>> mistake by using the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:33:01 PM
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for
>> sale
>>
>> Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year, Gardiner?
>> My low power but utterly reliable Continental has made the trip 3 times
now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>>
>> NX899JP
>>
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of airlion
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for
>> sale
>>
>>
>>
>> Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills wes
t
>> of you. Gardiner
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for
>> sale
>>
>> Wow!- An A65 with only 1505 Total Time?- That=92s pretty incredible.
>>
>>
>>
>> So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds
>> available to purchase a flying Pietenpol?- Congratulations, Ryan!
>>
>>
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>>
>> NX899JP
>>
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?P
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/
co================
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>
>>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Ben, I am flying my time off too with 13 hours on the clock. I will be working
in th woodshop carving a prop. Stop by and say hello. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 12:01:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun
I've been faithfully flying off my Phase 1 time in hopes of bringing my Piet to
Sun-N-Fun. Anybody else planning to bring theirs?
Ben Charvet
16.6 hrs done
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| Subject: | Re: used, good condition A-65 starter for sale. |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Mikee-
In some jurisdictions, what you posted about being "for sale" would be considered
as "solicitation" and you would be arrested by the vice squad ;o)
I remember when I first got 41CC and there were some issues with the ignition harnesses.
I was at work, Charlie was at the hangar attempting to start the engine
and called me on the phone with the news that "the airplane needs a new starter".
For a minute all I saw were dollar signs until the joke clicked in my
head. Ever since I replaced the lower harness and all the plugs on the 65,
it has started quite readily except when it's hot and I flood the thing. I like
to hand-prop and I like the simplicity of no electrics. To me, it enhances
the open cockpit experience.
The 75 that is now on the airplane is even easier to start, what with dual impulse
mags.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292534#292534
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| Subject: | Re: forming aluminum |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I'll second what David suggests... beefing that area up. It's not a reflection
on how smooth the engine might run (Corvairs being quite smooth), it's that the
eyebrow leading edges are just inches aft of that prop, which delivers pulsed
air past the eyebrows continuously. I've repaired several cracked pieces on
41CC's cooling eyebrows due to the propwash pulsations. Metal fatigue, plain
and simple.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| Subject: | Re: used, good condition A-65 starter for sale. |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Yes, the voice of reason. 7000 ft. runway elevation, 95 degrees F,
density altitude 10,900. At that altitude the C-65 will be putting out
around 43 HP. The Corvair or O-200 around 67 HP.
Unfortunately the price of used O-200 has increased as the economy has
gone to hell. The guy at Wentworth said the demand for these has
increased because people are downsizing there expectations from that
RV-7/8/9 with the O-360 (or similar, after they realized it was going
to cost $70k +) to an LSA kit (or even better a Pietenpol).
And Jack, we don't use that stinkin dual 90 degree cooling fan/belt on
WW Corvair conversions.
rick
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
>
>
> It weighs nothing and costs nothing and it hasn't broken yet. I hear the Model
> A uses the same kind of starter.
>
> Seriously, for us full-figured girls having more power would be GREAT. I've
often
> fantasized about having an 0-200 someday.
>
> I can easily see why the power of the Corvair is SO popular plus lots of guys
don't
> feel like hand propping and some need the electrical system to support radios
and
> transponders to get in and out of controlled or under controlled airspace environments.
> I can especially see guys like Tom S. in Texas and Gary B. in CA having to fly
in hot
> weather conditions.
>
> I can especially see Rick Holland needing the power at his high elevations in
Colorado
> with that thin air. As much as I rag on the auto engines I can certainly see
why it is
> a good option for lots of you guys.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Actually, when you go back and look at some of the stuff Sikorsky
designed and built (at age 29!) in pre-WWI Russia, it's really
impressive, especially when compared to just about anything else
flying at the time. Good thing he jumped ship to our side.
>The USSR built this bad boy with 16 Corvair engines.
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | metal fatigue minimized by using 0000 dead soft aluminum |
I have had very minimal cracking issues with my hand-made Cub style cooling eyebrows/baffles
since I used 0000 or dead soft .025" aluminum to make them. The dead soft resists
metal
fatigue very nicely and makes forming that reinforcement wire into the leading
edge an easy
event.
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
Lynn,
I bought a FLIGHTECH ITC-401/1-ENRI from ACS. P.F. Beck also lauds this
intercom in the most recent BPA newsletter.
Coupled with mic muffs, it works quite well in N8031.
Dan
On 03/30/2010 07:30 PM, dknoll(at)cox.net wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
>
> Someone was on the list earlier today describing the intercom that worked so
well in his Piet. For some reason I cannot find that email. I need the name and
part number of this intercom.
> Thanks,
>
> Do not arch rive
>
> Lynn Knoll
> Wichita
> Piet/Vair in the works
>
>
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance question |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
dan.loegering(at)odayequi wrote:
> Ran into an odd situation recently and wanted to see what others have done in
the past, or are currently doing.
>
> I recently sold my house and am renting now, so I switched to a renters insurance
policy. Since I was bored last night (the plane is still in storage for
another week) I was reading through the policy, and came across the statement
that "aircraft and aircraft parts are not covered." Huh?
>
> Spoke to my agent today and he had never come across this either, did some research
and they do not cover aircraft or parts on ANY of their policies.
>
> So my question is this - what, if anything, did you do to provide coverage for
your projects while they were in the project stage? I am simply looking to
cover my costs of materials in the event of theft, fire, etc... Is this something
that I should not worry about (I am normally a trusting individual, but the
new house is close to a high school and the garage is located in the alley -
apparently there have been issues in the past with some of the garages being
used as gathering places by the students) One neighbor suggested blocking the
windows and getting a bigger lock... I may not go to that extreme (it isn't
THAT bad of a neighborhood...) but I will definitely be putting in a new lock.
>
> It will be nice to get back to building though - time to make more sawdust and
grind some metal!
>
> Dan Loegering
> Fargo, ND
Dan,
I would check into a special policy. Your greatest risk may not be from vandalism.
I had a good friend who lived in a great timber frame house, attached workshop,
and totally off the grid. He was building an Rans from a kit. They
called for forming the tank by filling it full of fuel and letting sit and take
shape. The tank was closed yet fumes leaked across the floor to a heater on
the other side of the shop. The whole thing went up including the house and
was a total loss. Fortunately there was no loss of human life. Insurance paid
nothing on the airplane and would not even cover a PV array because it was
next to the house and not attached exept by wiring. Rans gave him a good deal
on a new kit but the fire took several years out of his life while he rebuilt
his house. He is now starting again on the Rans. It has made me think both
about insurance and what I do in the shop.
Jon Coxwell
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292548#292548
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 question |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
luther b green wrote:
> Mine are approx. 40" from the backrest and attached to the front seat cross
> member. I can send you a picture if you want.
> Bryan Green
> Elgin SC
> ---
Bryan,
I tried to respond to your email but it comes back with address unknown. I would
like to see some pictures and since you are re-building I would like to know
what issues you are running into. Mine has never flown but I an doing plenty
of re-building of someone else's work. I almost think starting from scratch
is easier. I think mine is sound, but the original builders (2 or 3) were not
as particular as I would like.
Jon Coxwell
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292550#292550
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 question |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Tom Bernie wrote:
> I moved mine far enough forward for my legs. Don't trust the CAD plans.
> Tom Bernie
> N666TB
> Gloucester Mass
>
> Tom, I am working from the hand drawn plans but there are lots of mistakes there
as well. I purchased a set of original Piet plans as a reference which I
encourage anyone building a GN-1 to do.
>
> BTW I found a link to your project photo documentation and read through your
past posting on the forum. Looking at your photos was really helpful and your
posting indicated that we are addressing some issues in similar ways.
>
> Jon Coxwell
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: New Corvair starter for sale |
Steve - is it a front mounted starter? If so - count me in for it.
Cheers
jon
In a message dated 3/31/2010 8:56:29 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
chase143(at)aol.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "chase143(at)aol.com"
I have a brand new WW starter (just arrived), I have not even taken it out
of the box. I think they go for $210 now and $25 shipping. Would like to
get $200 and I'll pay to ship. Please let me know if interested, thanks.
Steve
chase143(at)aol.com
And....no, I am not trying the fuel the Corvair/A65 debate! hahaha LOL :-)
--------
Steve
www.mypiet.com
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | forming aluminum |
Thanks, David! That picture was taken while testing for fit, and adding some
other stuff on the back. Since then I have added more support.
In retrospect, using dead soft, as Mike C advises, would be a good
idea.....lots of time to do that when needed.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Paule
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: forming aluminum
Gary,
Very nice bead work!
You'll probably want to beef up the corner shown in the top picture where
the mounting screw is, because it'll most likely crack from the relief
radius to the mounting hole.
David Paule
> I am so ignorant about shete medal work that I don't even know how to
> spell
> it! But someone sent me the attached, "Bead Wire" and I was able to
> produce
> two cooling ears right. My first one was with .025 and I had a great deal
> of
> trouble making it bend, so I switched to .016 and the next two came out
> great.
>
> Gary Boothe
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| Subject: | Re: New Corvair starter for sale |
| From: | "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143(at)aol.com> |
Jon,
Yes, I believe it is. I will double check tonight, and save it for you if you want
it. I'll drop me a note off-line.
Thanks,
Steve
--------
Steve
www.mypiet.com
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
What Bad Boy? Did you attach a pic of something?
BED
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Actually, when you go back and look at some of the stuff Sikorsky designed
and built (at age 29!) in pre-WWI Russia, it's really impressive, especially
when compared to just about anything else flying at the time. Good thing he
jumped ship to our side.
>The USSR built this bad boy with 16 Corvair engines.
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance question |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Dan,
Your question prompted me to do a little more research with my State Farm Agent
and in fact I found that I do not have insurance that covers my GN-1 while I
am building it. Nor can I get it through State Farm.
I then went to the EAA website and ended up making a call to their insurance program.
Not a lot of help there either for those of us that are building from
plans. I did find out that the the minimum hull insurance while building is going
to be around $500 per year plus or minus. That kind of coverage will go
up to $40,000 and is the minimum. (That would be a real nice Piet or GN-1).
I asked the question about liability insurance and that is where things get sticky
for tail draggers. They not only want tailwheel time which is understandable,
but want some time in the same model. I have 100 hours of tail wheel and
1700 hours total, but none in a GN-1 or a Piet. The EAA insurance agent told
me I should be thinking about getting some more tail wheel time and try real
hard to get GN-1 time before my airplane is ready to fly. This is just a heads
up. Thanks Dan for raising this question.
Jon Coxwell
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Previous post from ?? had some pix.
>
>What Bad Boy? Did you attach a pic of something?
>BED
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>Boatright
>Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:34 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
>
>Actually, when you go back and look at some of the stuff Sikorsky designed
>and built (at age 29!) in pre-WWI Russia, it's really impressive, especially
>when compared to just about anything else flying at the time. Good thing he
>jumped ship to our side.
>
>
>>The USSR built this bad boy with 16 Corvair engines.
>
>
>--
>
>Jeff Boatright
>"Now let's think about this..."
--
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | Re: metal fatigue minimized by using 0000 dead soft aluminum |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks Michael. I am going to cut another piece and I am trying to decide whether
to use the same .025- 2024T3 or switch to some soft aluminum I have on hand
that is about .035. I have no intention of making a special order for more.and
I don't think the thickness difference will amount to much more than a half
pound. I'm only talking bout around 2 1/2 sq. ft. here if I use the thin I think
I'll forget the rolled up edge and just cut a little more clearance and use
some rubber edge trim over it.I need to get off high center and keep this project
moving along while I have the time at home.and I don't need a complete roll
around wire-just an up turned lip would help stiffen the area and give extra
clearance if the engine shifts enough.Raymond
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | just famous- not rich |
Well, yippee-! A friend here at work passed along
his copy of the April/May 2010 "Air & Space
Smithsonian" magazine and I'm quoted in the magazine.
Harrumph... okay, so my quote is just a tiny part of
a really nifty article called "The Pride of Cherry Grove",
all about Piets. Really nice story and pix, all
the usual suspects. Good job!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Yea, check this out Barry.
rick
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Barry Davis wrote:
>
> What Bad Boy? Did you attach a pic of something?
> BED
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> Boatright
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:34 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for s
ale
>
>
> Actually, when you go back and look at some of the stuff Sikorsky designe
d
> and built (at age 29!) in pre-WWI Russia, it's really impressive, especia
lly
> when compared to just about anything else flying at the time. Good thing
he
> jumped ship to our side.
>
>
>>The USSR built this bad boy with 16 Corvair engines.
>
>
> --
>
> Jeff Boatright
> "Now let's think about this..."
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
I'm planning to fly mine down. I won't be able to get there until Friday
morning, though.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun
I've been faithfully flying off my Phase 1 time in hopes of bringing my
Piet to Sun-N-Fun. Anybody else planning to bring theirs?
Ben Charvet
16.6 hrs done
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
I have a total of $7,000 in my A-65, but that included NEW Millenium
Cylinders and pistons, which was $3400 of that total. I also sent the
crankcasr out to Divco for overhauling, and the crankshaft and connecting
rods were overhauled by Aircraft Specialties. I bought a new camshaft, and
new Slick magnetos. I did the overhaul myself, under the supervision of an
A&P/IA. I could have done it much cheaper, but I like reliability, which is
what started this thread.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
To play devil's advocate: the Corvair project for $6,000 is everything
needed to assemble the Wynne based Corvair conversion, all parts reworked,
overhauled, or new. How much did you have in your A-65 after the cost of
acquisition, rework, new parts, etc? Just curious... ;)
Ryan
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Jack Phillips
wrote:
I think Bernard liked to experiment. At the time he used that Corvair, it
was far cheaper than an aircraft engine. That is no longer the case (the
email that started this thread was about a Corvair PROJECT that was for sale
for $6,000, which is four times as much as I paid for my Continental A-65,
and is nearly half what I've got in the Lycoming O-540 that I'll put in the
RV-10). I owned a Corvair for several years (we bought it new in 1966, so
it wasn't worn out when we got it, although it was 3 years later) and
learned a great deal about the "reliability' of both the engine and the car.
I remember that the Corvair was used in one of my machine design classes in
college as an example of how NOT to design a belt-drive system.
But these airplanes are licensed as "Experimental", so go for it. I just
prefer aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for cars. The design
requirements are totally different.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is working
great so far. By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made a mistake by
using the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:33:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year, Gardiner? My
low power but utterly reliable Continental has made the trip 3 times now.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills west of
you. Gardiner
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? That's pretty incredible.
So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds available
to purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Re: used, good condition A-65 starter for sale. |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
Did I not read once that an O-200 crank would fit some of the older Continentals?
if so maybe you could find one that is too undersized to make the yellow tag
specs but still cleaned up OK. I think it is common for airboat engines so they
should be out there.maybe you just need a little more stroke? not wanting
to get personal here. Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292577#292577
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| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
as usual I probably popped off about something I know nothing about. but this fellow
seems to cover a lot of things on engine mods.sounds like the old A-65 is
kinda light in places but he gives some tips.
http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm#mod_a65
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292578#292578
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| From: | "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com> |
| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Great fakes!
Nice staging, too.
Who did them?
David Paule
> The USSR built this bad boy with 16 Corvair engines.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Corvair vs. Continental - long |
Jack (et al),
Here is my debate:
You, and others, have said things that have caused me to pause and consider
my decisions, and sometimes change my path. As always, you are the epitome
of common sense and good judgment..or are you? I know that you know spam can
drivers that look at you in your little home-made airplane (exquisite as it
is, even with its "reliable" engine) and say, if not to you at least to
themselves, "I would/could never do that." "You're going to fly it where? To
Brodhead?" Or, how about the guys who say flying a taildragger is too
dangerous! And all of those spam can drivers know ground pounders who say,
"You're a pilot? You fly a Cessna/Piper/Beech? Isn't that scary? I could
never do that!"
The great mathematician, Augusta De Morgan, said:
"Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.
And the great fleas themselves, in turn, have greater fleas to go on,
While these again have greater still, and greater still, and so on."
So, everyone has their limits. When we make the decision to build an
experimental airplane, we set ourselves on a less traveled path.but that's
just the beginning.
Consider the individual who decides:
To build an airplane,
To build a wood & fabric airplane,
To build a wood & fabric airplane designed in 1929,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar instead of
A/C Spruce,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar instead of
A/C Spruce, and fir spars,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar instead of
A/C Spruce, with fir spars, and wooden struts,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar instead of
A/C Spruce, with fir spars, wooden struts, and a non-A/C engine,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar instead of
A/C Spruce, with fir spars, wooden struts, a non-A/C engine, with a
home-made prop,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar instead of
A/C Spruce, with fir spars, wooden struts, a non-A/C engine, a home-made
prop, painted with house paint instead of dope,
"ad infinitum.."
At which point would most builders stop.at which point would you stop? My
ex-father-in-law, insurance agent, thought I was nuts to start flying in the
first place (age 17)!
Am I nuts? Maybe. Nuts about flying.
Am I suicidal? Definitely not!
I fully respect your opinion about A/C engines if for no other reason than
you are vastly more experienced than I. But this project has been a series
of path choices for me, and, for some reason, I keep choosing the
less-traveled path.
In the end, I expect that I will have many, many taxi hours and ground runs
of my "crank-breaking" Corvair, not that that will expose any/all problems,
but the actual take-off should be a non-event. For me, the choice of using a
Corvair was a merely a result of choosing a less-traveled path.having more
hp, a smoother less expensive engine, were just fortunate by-products.
Meeting William Wynne was a God-send!
If you know a risk management expert, please give him my contact info! ..or,
are we ALL beyond risk management?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 2:49 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
I have a total of $7,000 in my A-65, but that included NEW Millenium
Cylinders and pistons, which was $3400 of that total. I also sent the
crankcasr out to Divco for overhauling, and the crankshaft and connecting
rods were overhauled by Aircraft Specialties. I bought a new camshaft, and
new Slick magnetos. I did the overhaul myself, under the supervision of an
A&P/IA. I could have done it much cheaper, but I like reliability, which is
what started this thread.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
To play devil's advocate: the Corvair project for $6,000 is everything
needed to assemble the Wynne based Corvair conversion, all parts reworked,
overhauled, or new. How much did you have in your A-65 after the cost of
acquisition, rework, new parts, etc? Just curious... ;)
Ryan
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Jack Phillips
wrote:
I think Bernard liked to experiment. At the time he used that Corvair, it
was far cheaper than an aircraft engine. That is no longer the case (the
email that started this thread was about a Corvair PROJECT that was for sale
for $6,000, which is four times as much as I paid for my Continental A-65,
and is nearly half what I've got in the Lycoming O-540 that I'll put in the
RV-10). I owned a Corvair for several years (we bought it new in 1966, so
it wasn't worn out when we got it, although it was 3 years later) and
learned a great deal about the "reliability' of both the engine and the car.
I remember that the Corvair was used in one of my machine design classes in
college as an example of how NOT to design a belt-drive system.
But these airplanes are licensed as "Experimental", so go for it. I just
prefer aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for cars. The design
requirements are totally different.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is working
great so far. By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made a mistake by
using the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:33:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year, Gardiner? My
low power but utterly reliable Continental has made the trip 3 times now.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills west of
you. Gardiner
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? That's pretty incredible.
So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds available
to purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance question |
I ran into the same problem with the EAA insurance. If you have recent
tailwheel time in a similar aircraft and go through the EAA Flight
advisor program you can probably get them to insure your first flight.
They did for me. Their original quote wanted 5 or 10 hours in type.
One other question to be asking.. will you insure a Corvair powered
Piet/GN-1? Four years ago neither Avemco nor the EAA would. Thats one
of the reasons I ended up with a Continental.
Ben Charvet
On 3/31/2010 4:04 PM, coxwelljon wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "coxwelljon"
>
>
> I asked the question about liability insurance and that is where things get sticky
for tail draggers. They not only want tailwheel time which is understandable,
but want some time in the same model. I have 100 hours of tail wheel and
1700 hours total, but none in a GN-1 or a Piet. The EAA insurance agent told
me I should be thinking about getting some more tail wheel time and try real
hard to get GN-1 time before my airplane is ready to fly. This is just a heads
up. Thanks Dan for raising this question.
>
> Jon Coxwell
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292561#292561
>
>
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| From: | "walt" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair vs. Continental - long |
I kind of lost the point,,,what is your point?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 7:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair vs. Continental - long
Jack (et al),
Here is my debate:
You, and others, have said things that have caused me to pause and
consider my decisions, and sometimes change my path. As always, you are
the epitome of common sense and good judgment..or are you? I know that
you know spam can drivers that look at you in your little home-made
airplane (exquisite as it is, even with its "reliable" engine) and say,
if not to you at least to themselves, "I would/could never do that."
"You're going to fly it where? To Brodhead?" Or, how about the guys who
say flying a taildragger is too dangerous! And all of those spam can
drivers know ground pounders who say, "You're a pilot? You fly a
Cessna/Piper/Beech? Isn't that scary? I could never do that!"
The great mathematician, Augusta De Morgan, said:
"Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.
And the great fleas themselves, in turn, have greater fleas to go on,
While these again have greater still, and greater still, and so on."
So, everyone has their limits. When we make the decision to build an
experimental airplane, we set ourselves on a less traveled path.but
that's just the beginning.
Consider the individual who decides:
To build an airplane,
To build a wood & fabric airplane,
To build a wood & fabric airplane designed in 1929,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar
instead of A/C Spruce,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar
instead of A/C Spruce, and fir spars,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar
instead of A/C Spruce, with fir spars, and wooden struts,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar
instead of A/C Spruce, with fir spars, wooden struts, and a non-A/C
engine,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar
instead of A/C Spruce, with fir spars, wooden struts, a non-A/C engine,
with a home-made prop,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar
instead of A/C Spruce, with fir spars, wooden struts, a non-A/C engine,
a home-made prop, painted with house paint instead of dope,
"ad infinitum.."
At which point would most builders stop.at which point would you stop?
My ex-father-in-law, insurance agent, thought I was nuts to start flying
in the first place (age 17)!
Am I nuts? Maybe. Nuts about flying.
Am I suicidal? Definitely not!
I fully respect your opinion about A/C engines if for no other reason
than you are vastly more experienced than I. But this project has been a
series of path choices for me, and, for some reason, I keep choosing the
less-traveled path.
In the end, I expect that I will have many, many taxi hours and ground
runs of my "crank-breaking" Corvair, not that that will expose any/all
problems, but the actual take-off should be a non-event. For me, the
choice of using a Corvair was a merely a result of choosing a
less-traveled path.having more hp, a smoother less expensive engine,
were just fortunate by-products. Meeting William Wynne was a God-send!
If you know a risk management expert, please give him my contact info!
..or, are we ALL beyond risk management?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 2:49 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts
for sale
I have a total of $7,000 in my A-65, but that included NEW Millenium
Cylinders and pistons, which was $3400 of that total. I also sent the
crankcasr out to Divco for overhauling, and the crankshaft and
connecting rods were overhauled by Aircraft Specialties. I bought a new
camshaft, and new Slick magnetos. I did the overhaul myself, under the
supervision of an A&P/IA. I could have done it much cheaper, but I like
reliability, which is what started this thread.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:57 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts
for sale
To play devil's advocate: the Corvair project for $6,000 is everything
needed to assemble the Wynne based Corvair conversion, all parts
reworked, overhauled, or new. How much did you have in your A-65 after
the cost of acquisition, rework, new parts, etc? Just curious... ;)
Ryan
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Jack Phillips
wrote:
I think Bernard liked to experiment. At the time he used that
Corvair, it was far cheaper than an aircraft engine. That is no longer
the case (the email that started this thread was about a Corvair PROJECT
that was for sale for $6,000, which is four times as much as I paid for
my Continental A-65, and is nearly half what I've got in the Lycoming
O-540 that I'll put in the RV-10). I owned a Corvair for several years
(we bought it new in 1966, so it wasn't worn out when we got it,
although it was 3 years later) and learned a great deal about the
"reliability' of both the engine and the car. I remember that the
Corvair was used in one of my machine design classes in college as an
example of how NOT to design a belt-drive system.
But these airplanes are licensed as "Experimental", so go for it. I
just prefer aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for cars.
The design requirements are totally different.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts
for sale
I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is
working great so far. By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made a
mistake by using the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:33:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts
for sale
Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year,
Gardiner? My low power but utterly reliable Continental has made the
trip 3 times now.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts
for sale
Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills
west of you. Gardiner
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts
for sale
Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? That's pretty incredible.
So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds
available to purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
How much to do the same with an O-200? (To compare apples to apples)
rick
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> I have a total of $7,000 in my A-65, but that included NEW Millenium
> Cylinders and pistons, which was $3400 of that total. I also sent the
> crankcasr out to Divco for overhauling, and the crankshaft and connecting
> rods were overhauled by Aircraft Specialties. I bought a new camshaft, and
> new Slick magnetos. I did the overhaul myself, under the supervision of an
> A&P/IA. I could have done it much cheaper, but I like reliability, which is
> what started this thread.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:57 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
>
> To play devil's advocate: the Corvair project for $6,000 is everything
> needed to assemble the Wynne based Corvair conversion, all parts reworked,
> overhauled, or new. How much did you have in your A-65 after the cost of
> acquisition, rework, new parts, etc? Just curious... ;)
>
>
> Ryan
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Jack Phillips
> wrote:
>
> I think Bernard liked to experiment. At the time he used that Corvair, it
> was far cheaper than an aircraft engine. That is no longer the case (the
> email that started this thread was about a Corvair PROJECT that was for sale
> for $6,000, which is four times as much as I paid for my Continental A-65,
> and is nearly half what Ive got in the Lycoming O-540 that Ill put in the
> RV-10). I owned a Corvair for several years (we bought it new in 1966, so
> it wasnt worn out when we got it, although it was 3 years later) and
> learned a great deal about the reliability of both the engine and the
> car. I remember that the Corvair was used in one of my machine design
> classes in college as an example of how NOT to design a belt-drive system.
>
>
> But these airplanes are licensed as Experimental, so go for it. I just
> prefer aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for cars. The design
> requirements are totally different.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 PM
>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
>
> I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is working
> great so far. By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made a mistake by
> using the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:33:01 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
> Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year, Gardiner? My
> low power but utterly reliable Continental has made the trip 3 times now.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of airlion
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
>
> Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills west of
> you. Gardiner
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
> Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? Thats pretty incredible.
>
>
> So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds available
> to purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
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| Subject: | Re: used, good condition A-65 starter for sale. |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Raymond: that's the C-series Continentals, not the A-series. The C-series have
a longer stroke and different cases, thus the ability to fit a starter and other
accessories to them as compared with the A-series, which are rare as hen's
teeth with anything in the way of accessory drives from the factory. The -8
configuration is most common in "our" small Continentals on these airplanes, whereas
the later C-series have many more common configurations with starters,
generators, vacuum pumps, and other stuff.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair vs. Continental - long |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
The point being - everyone has their own level of accep
tance of what is "reliable."
I wish to re-iterate that Jack, Mike C, William Wynne a
nd others have helped me to balance my frugal approach
to building with an overall view of practicality and safe
ty.
Gary
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:55:00
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair vs. Continental - long
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Here is an O-200 ready to fly on the Cessna newsgroup for $16000, can
build 3 Corvairs for that price.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Re: Engine CONTINENTAL O-200-A
Have O-200A All new internal parts, cylinders,mags, etc etc, no
expense spared 0 SMOH Asking $16,000 obo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> I have a total of $7,000 in my A-65, but that included NEW Millenium
> Cylinders and pistons, which was $3400 of that total. I also sent the
> crankcasr out to Divco for overhauling, and the crankshaft and connecting
> rods were overhauled by Aircraft Specialties. I bought a new camshaft, and
> new Slick magnetos. I did the overhaul myself, under the supervision of an
> A&P/IA. I could have done it much cheaper, but I like reliability, which is
> what started this thread.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:57 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
>
> To play devil's advocate: the Corvair project for $6,000 is everything
> needed to assemble the Wynne based Corvair conversion, all parts reworked,
> overhauled, or new. How much did you have in your A-65 after the cost of
> acquisition, rework, new parts, etc? Just curious... ;)
>
>
> Ryan
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Jack Phillips
> wrote:
>
> I think Bernard liked to experiment. At the time he used that Corvair, it
> was far cheaper than an aircraft engine. That is no longer the case (the
> email that started this thread was about a Corvair PROJECT that was for sale
> for $6,000, which is four times as much as I paid for my Continental A-65,
> and is nearly half what Ive got in the Lycoming O-540 that Ill put in the
> RV-10). I owned a Corvair for several years (we bought it new in 1966, so
> it wasnt worn out when we got it, although it was 3 years later) and
> learned a great deal about the reliability of both the engine and the
> car. I remember that the Corvair was used in one of my machine design
> classes in college as an example of how NOT to design a belt-drive system.
>
>
> But these airplanes are licensed as Experimental, so go for it. I just
> prefer aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for cars. The design
> requirements are totally different.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 PM
>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
>
> I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is working
> great so far. By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made a mistake by
> using the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:33:01 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
> Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year, Gardiner? My
> low power but utterly reliable Continental has made the trip 3 times now.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of airlion
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
>
> Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills west of
> you. Gardiner
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
> Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? Thats pretty incredible.
>
>
> So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds available
> to purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair vs. Continental - long |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Might as well toss in my two cents here since I just spent at least as much as
Jack did to bring a core A75 to essentially zero time, and to my mind "factory
new" specs. I also have a Corvair engine on my workbench, slowly getting built
up to power a future Piet-like project. I've spent probably a couple of thousand
$$ on the Corvair and will spend maybe another couple on it before it runs,
so in the end I'll have just about as much money in one as in the other.
The Corvair is about 20 years newer than the Continental and will develop 25% more
takeoff power for the same dollars. I can buy common overhaul parts for the
Corvair several blocks from my house at any one of a number of auto parts houses,
but I can't say the same for my Continental. I'm lucky, living in a very
strong military town where there is an active aircraft community, that I can
actually buy AN hardware and aircraft parts in town but I cannot go to AutoZone
and buy a set of valve springs, rockers, piston rings, bearings, spark plugs,
plug wires, or other common parts for the A75. I can't order them there and
nobody would know what they are. Granted, I have never had the need to do
this but it's nice to know I can find common parts for the Corvair from Bar Harbor
to Brownsville, San Francisco to Ft. Myers, and auto repair shops can work
on many aspects of them whereas I would NEVER take ANY part of my Continental
engine to an auto repair shop.
The Corvair is a more modern engine than the Continental in the way it was designed,
the ignition, the type of fuel it is designed to burn, the operating RPM,
the metallurgy. It is very tolerant of high temperatures and insufficient care
and will very likely keep the airplane flying with one or maybe even two cylinders
dead. When it's together and running as designed, it is inherently a
very smooth and powerful engine and tends to operate without the cooling problems
that are prevalent in many other auto engine conversions. It has successfully
flown in many airframes, fast and slow, over a very good period of years.
I like the Corvair but I fly behind a Continental. Why? Because I needed to fly
more than I wanted to spend another few years tinkering. In effect I have
the best of both worlds... I fly my Continental-powered Piet while building up
and tinkering with the Corvair. One of these days, I might just take to the
air in some sort of Corvair-powered Pietenpol offspring. Admittedly, I am more
of a builder than I am a flyer, although I like both. I just can't imagine
bolting together a kit, registering it, going out and flying, and never spending
any time in the shop working on an airplane or engine. Not to seem trite here,
but "it's all good" and there are no one-size-fits-all engines in experimental
aviation. Less filling, more taste- bring on the next round.
And finally... as with women, so with engines. All have their endearing traits
and any of them can leave you confused, angry, and hurt but on a good day, they
are oh-so-sweet, all of them!
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292601#292601
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair vs. Continental - long |
Yeah, my frugal nature needs balancing, too. One time when discussing
how to fix something on the Piet, after trying to get the correct
and acceptable method through my head after a dozen attempts, my
friend and local A&P finally blurted out in exasperation, "Jeff, at
what point does a sense of self-preservation kick in for you?!"
>The point being - everyone has their own level of acceptance of what
>is "reliable."
>
>I wish to re-iterate that Jack, Mike C, William Wynne and others
>have helped me to balance my frugal approach to building with an
>overall view of practicality and safety.
>
>Gary
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| From: | "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance question |
You can buy insurance to cover your project while under construction. Start
with the EAA program and research it from there. Keep in mind your
homeowners policy was never meant to cover anything but your home and
contents. Your premium is based on just that exposure. Cars, boats,
motorcycles, and yes airplanes are not part of the contract. All of those
require separate coverage that is tailored to the exposure.
Perry Rhoads(yup, I'm an insurance agent)
Piet N12939
----- Original Message -----
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Insurance question
>
>
>
> dan.loegering(at)odayequi wrote:
>> Ran into an odd situation recently and wanted to see what others have
>> done in the past, or are currently doing.
>>
>> I recently sold my house and am renting now, so I switched to a renters
>> insurance policy. Since I was bored last night (the plane is still in
>> storage for another week) I was reading through the policy, and came
>> across the statement that "aircraft and aircraft parts are not covered."
>> Huh?
>>
>> Spoke to my agent today and he had never come across this either, did
>> some research and they do not cover aircraft or parts on ANY of their
>> policies.
>>
>> So my question is this - what, if anything, did you do to provide
>> coverage for your projects while they were in the project stage? I am
>> simply looking to cover my costs of materials in the event of theft,
>> fire, etc... Is this something that I should not worry about (I am
>> normally a trusting individual, but the new house is close to a high
>> school and the garage is located in the alley - apparently there have
>> been issues in the past with some of the garages being used as gathering
>> places by the students) One neighbor suggested blocking the windows and
>> getting a bigger lock... I may not go to that extreme (it isn't THAT bad
>> of a neighborhood...) but I will definitely be putting in a new lock.
>>
>> It will be nice to get back to building though - time to make more
>> sawdust and grind some metal!
>>
>> Dan Loegering
>> Fargo, ND
>
>
> Dan,
>
> I would check into a special policy. Your greatest risk may not be from
> vandalism. I had a good friend who lived in a great timber frame house,
> attached workshop, and totally off the grid. He was building an Rans
> from a kit. They called for forming the tank by filling it full of fuel
> and letting sit and take shape. The tank was closed yet fumes leaked
> across the floor to a heater on the other side of the shop. The whole
> thing went up including the house and was a total loss. Fortunately there
> was no loss of human life. Insurance paid nothing on the airplane and
> would not even cover a PV array because it was next to the house and not
> attached exept by wiring. Rans gave him a good deal on a new kit but the
> fire took several years out of his life while he rebuilt his house. He is
> now starting again on the Rans. It has made me think both about insurance
> and what I do in the shop.
>
> Jon Coxwell
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292548#292548
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance question |
Try Jenny at NationAir(they have a website) in St. Louis. I insured N12939
with her for a reasonable amount without time in type, nor any dual
required. The only requirement was one hour of solo Piet time before taking
passengers.
Perry Rhoads
Piet N12939
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Charvet" <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Insurance question
>
> I ran into the same problem with the EAA insurance. If you have recent
> tailwheel time in a similar aircraft and go through the EAA Flight advisor
> program you can probably get them to insure your first flight. They did
> for me. Their original quote wanted 5 or 10 hours in type. One other
> question to be asking.. will you insure a Corvair powered Piet/GN-1? Four
> years ago neither Avemco nor the EAA would. Thats one of the reasons I
> ended up with a Continental.
>
> Ben Charvet
>
>
> On 3/31/2010 4:04 PM, coxwelljon wrote:
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
>> "coxwelljon"
>>
>>
>> I asked the question about liability insurance and that is where things
>> get sticky for tail draggers. They not only want tailwheel time which is
>> understandable, but want some time in the same model. I have 100 hours
>> of tail wheel and 1700 hours total, but none in a GN-1 or a Piet. The
>> EAA insurance agent told me I should be thinking about getting some more
>> tail wheel time and try real hard to get GN-1 time before my airplane is
>> ready to fly. This is just a heads up. Thanks Dan for raising this
>> question.
>>
>> Jon Coxwell
>>
>> --------
>> Jon Coxwell
>> GN-1 Builder
>> Recycle and preserve the planet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292561#292561
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair vs. Continental - long |
Only if you plan on sitting in a lawn chair under a bunch of
helium filled weather baloons with a BB gun to shoot them
out one at a time for landing purposes! :-)
http://www.markbarry.com/lawnchairman.html
are we ALL beyond risk management?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
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| Subject: | Supersonic Piet? |
| From: | Coen van Wyk <coenvanwyk(at)gmail.com> |
Dear List members,
After years of lurking I am ready to begin building! The problem has always
been the choice of engine, but now I have it! At the Air Museum there is an
old engine from a Mirage 3!!!
Last night I pored over my copies from a friend's Flying and Gliding manual,
and with some napkins from KFC roughed out the design. Obviously it was
meant to be.
Of course a few little tweaks will be needed, but after all spruce is a form
of carbon fibre. The wing root gaps will prevent spanwise shock waves at
mach 1, and if the wings are swept a little, say 45 degrees, she should
remain stable up to the thermal thicket at Mach 3. The first stage
conpressor will allow pressurisation of the cockpit, and only two questions
remain:
How to route the tailwheel cables around the tailpipe, and what landing gear
to use? I like the Jenny style, but maybe I should consider the new
monowheel undercarriage as proposed by some of the engineers on the list
recently?
Perhaps tomorrow it will look different....
Happy first of April!
Coen van WYk
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| Subject: | Re: electronic tach |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Electronic tachs are way too modern for a Pietenpol. They should not even
be discussed on this list. (OK, I'm bracing for the shelling) I bought
a 4" Jones Tach (1918) on Ebay. Tested it and found a 200 rpm error. Sent
it to be rebuilt and it got sent back with a big HAZMAT sticker in it. Th
ey said they could not open the case on account of it had radium painted
dial and markings. So I contacted Bob's Speedometer Shop in Michigan, and
he made me a custom gearbox that eliminated the error. Made the wrong rat
io the first time and had to have it made twice. Then had to pay him to sh
orten my newly purchased tach cable. This whole escapade cost me about $90
0.00 before it was all over. Not too funny comedy of errors. Great looking
result, but way too expensive.
The price for being a purist. One of those deals that starts to go bad and
you just keep going instead of trying something else.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
NX929DH
-----Original Message-----
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 31, 2010 11:25 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: electronic tach
The westach is the tach on NX92GB. The one we use has the tach generator.
The
nly problem I have seen with it is it is inacurate, when compared to a tim
ing
ight/ tach (snap on brand). The higher the rpm's the more inacurate it is
. We
ndicate 3100rpm static, which the timing light reads about 2750-2800 rpm.
the
estach is consistant just not accurate, in our case anyhow. I don't know
if
thers have this problem or not. We replaced the tah generator once, and
it
eemed a little more accurate for the 1st few hrs, but then read higher rpm
's as
ime went by. I am not sure if there are any adjustments on the tach gauge
or
ot. On another note, I am missing out on the best flying weather in the pa
st
-5 months, due to a bad back, I look like a question mark. ??? I need to
get
ealed up and back to work, and get started on some fly-in planning for our
ittle Ohio Piet fly-in here in June.
Shad
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: used, good condition A-65 starter for sale. |
I worked the line for the local EAA chapter in Illinois a few times. I was one
of the ones who knew how to hand-prop, so I was kept a lot busier than some of
the others. A guy would show up with his A-65/J-3 with no impulse couplings,
and he seemed to flood it frequently. Nothing like standing on a hot ramp in the
blazing sun trying to get him going. I needed the exercise anyhow, but geeze.
JIm Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 31, 2010 1:14 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: used, good condition A-65 starter for sale.
>
>
>Mikee-
>
>In some jurisdictions, what you posted about being "for sale" would be considered
as "solicitation" and you would be arrested by the vice squad ;o)
>
>I remember when I first got 41CC and there were some issues with the ignition
harnesses. I was at work, Charlie was at the hangar attempting to start the engine
and called me on the phone with the news that "the airplane needs a new
starter". For a minute all I saw were dollar signs until the joke clicked in
my head. Ever since I replaced the lower harness and all the plugs on the 65,
it has started quite readily except when it's hot and I flood the thing. I like
to hand-prop and I like the simplicity of no electrics. To me, it enhances
the open cockpit experience.
>
>The 75 that is now on the airplane is even easier to start, what with dual impulse
mags.
>
>--------
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>Air Camper NX41CC
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292534#292534
>
>
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair vs. Continental - long |
Well said Gary! I especially liked the poem as there is just something
about flying and poetry that compliment each other. However, since you so
eloquently quoted a great mathematician, here is a quotation from another
relatively well known math guy - Albert Einstein - that you might
appreciate.
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.
The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit
to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligenc
e."
Please, don't anybody on the list get the idea that I am attacking anyone
who has previously commented on this string! I have learned virtually
everything I know about Piets and their engines, etc. from comments made
on this list and I value it highly. A good-natured argument is frequently
the best way to turn up bits of knowledge that we all need to hear.
Stinemetze
N328X
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | bad news, left wing damage |
Have some bad news about my Piet. That replica flying bicycle I built ala
the one at Old Rhinebeck that I had suspended
over my Piet with a good rope let loose sometime in the past two weeks sinc
e I was at the hangar and it destroyed the
left wing and cracked the rear spar just outside of the lift struts. Loo
ks like I'll be sitting on the sidelines watching everyone
else fly this summer. Oh well, stuff happens.
Mikee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: bad news, left wing damage |
Mike,
So sorry to hear bout your damage. I am hoping you can make a hasty repair
that is safe and get the Michael Cuy pilgrimage to Brodhead , the smoke
approach is always a crowd pleaser and an anticipated event.
I expect to be in Cinci within the next 2 weeks on business and can make
the drive to lend a hand if you're interested, just let me know on that of
f
list and we can work out details.
John
In a message dated 4/1/2010 10:14:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes:
Have some bad news about my Piet. That replica flying bicycle I built
ala the one at Old Rhinebeck that I had suspended
over my Piet with a good rope let loose sometime in the past two weeks
since I was at the hangar and it destroyed the
left wing and cracked the rear spar just outside of the lift struts.
Looks like I=99ll be sitting on the sidelines watching everyone
else fly this summer. Oh well, stuff happens.
Mikee
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | bad news, left wing damage |
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| From: | "bryan green" <lgreen1(at)sc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: bad news, left wing damage |
Sounds like an April fools joke to me.
Bryan Green
Elgin SC
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 10:13 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bad news, left wing damage
Have some bad news about my Piet. That replica flying bicycle I
built ala the one at Old Rhinebeck that I had suspended
over my Piet with a good rope let loose sometime in the past two weeks
since I was at the hangar and it destroyed the
left wing and cracked the rear spar just outside of the lift struts.
Looks like I'll be sitting on the sidelines watching everyone
else fly this summer. Oh well, stuff happens.
Mikee
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | bad news, left wing damage |
Mike,
That certainly is bad news! I know how long it takes to build ribs.you may
be down 2 or 3 years (at my pace).
Hoping for a speedy recovery,
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 7:13 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bad news, left wing damage
Have some bad news about my Piet. That replica flying bicycle I built ala
the one at Old Rhinebeck that I had suspended
over my Piet with a good rope let loose sometime in the past two weeks since
I was at the hangar and it destroyed the
left wing and cracked the rear spar just outside of the lift struts.
Looks like I'll be sitting on the sidelines watching everyone
else fly this summer. Oh well, stuff happens.
Mikee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | ding, ding, ding ! Winner, Winner-- we have a WINNER |
!!!!!!
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | bad news, left wing damage |
Mike,
Further thought.I have ribs just hanging in my garage. You would have to
check them to see if they match yours, but I would be glad to send them if
they would help you get back in the air sooner. With my kitchen remodel, I'm
moving somewhat slowly on the Piet.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 7:13 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bad news, left wing damage
Have some bad news about my Piet. That replica flying bicycle I built ala
the one at Old Rhinebeck that I had suspended
over my Piet with a good rope let loose sometime in the past two weeks since
I was at the hangar and it destroyed the
left wing and cracked the rear spar just outside of the lift struts.
Looks like I'll be sitting on the sidelines watching everyone
else fly this summer. Oh well, stuff happens.
Mikee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "baiquemaique" <baiquemaique(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | bad news, left wing damage |
Using the light-speed breakaway factor, accessible because I'm using a GE
CFM-6 with an aftermarket afterburner, I was able to finish my Piet and fly
off the 25 hours simultaneously yesterday. Unfortunately, the factor still
applies so I'll be attending Brodhead this year but no one will remember me
until 2021, and then everyone will see me in the photos from 1998.
This high-speed physics stuff sure makes Einstein relevant.
Mike Hardaway
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan green
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 7:51 AM
Sounds like an April fools joke to me.
Bryan Green
Elgin SC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: bad news, left wing damage |
Mikee:
I started to say that this wouldn't have happened if you had a Corvair on
there instead of that A-65. However I changed my mind because there just
isn't anything funny about a broken Piet! Especially one that has given
me so much motivation. Our prayers for your speedy recovery.
Stinemetze
N328X
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| Subject: | Re: bad news, left wing damage |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Sorry to hear about the wing Mike. My uncovered wings have been hanging ove
r
both my cars in my garage for a couple years. Have often wondered what my
car hoods would look like if the ceiling bolts pulled out. Maybe I will go
add a couple redundant ceiling bolts and ropes after hearing about this.
rick
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:50 AM, bryan green wrote:
> Sounds like an April fools joke to me.
> Bryan Green
> Elgin SC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 01, 2010 10:13 AM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: bad news, left wing damage
>
>
> Have some bad news about my Piet. That replica flying bicycle I built
> ala the one at Old Rhinebeck that I had suspended
> over my Piet with a good rope let loose sometime in the past two weeks
> since I was at the hangar and it destroyed the
> left wing and cracked the rear spar just outside of the lift struts.
> Looks like I=92ll be sitting on the sidelines watching everyone
> else fly this summer. Oh well, stuff happens.
>
> Mikee
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *
>
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===========
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===========
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: bad news, left wing damage |
Did the spars on the bicycle crack or the spar on the pietenpol crack.
You can fly the bicycle flying machine to the ohio piet fly in if you have to,
I to, think this sounds like a Mike Cuy april fools joke.
Shad
P.S. I really really really hope you're kidding around Mike hate to see a damaged
airp;ane, especcially a homebuilt.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ding, ding, ding ! Winner, Winner-- we have a |
WINNER !!!!!!
See. Prayer works!
>>> "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
4/1/2010 10:00 AM >>>
Brian Jardine, you are correct. My post was just a spoof. Happy
April Fools Day gents but thank you kindly
for the sympathies.
I think Im going out to the hangar anyway just to make sure that rope
is secureJ
Mike C.
PSnow go out there and jerk somebodys chain before this long-standing
American tradition goes down the drain like
the rest of our country !!!!!!!!!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: bad news, left wing damage |
Ryan, see waht happens when they use a continental, they are so old that everything
around them turns old and rots, in this case the rope. Mike just clip the
wings shorter, to where the crack is, put on a 145hp warner, and paint "Mike
Cuy's Bug'ger Be gon'er" upside down on the fuselage and do airshows. Mike Cuys
Clipped wing Piet.
Again I hope this is a joke,
Shad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ding, ding, ding ! Winner, Winner-- we have a WINNER |
!!!!!!
He's a four-flusher Mary Beth. Not falling for it this year. I bit hook,
line and sinker two years ago.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Apr 1, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] wrote:
> Brian Jardine, you are correct. My post was just a spoof. Happy
April Fool=92s Day gents but thank you kindly
> for the sympathies.
>
> I think I=92m going out to the hangar anyway just to make sure that
rope is secureJ
>
> Mike C.
>
> PS=97now go out there and jerk somebody=92s chain before this
long-standing American tradition goes down the drain like
> the rest of our country !!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
>
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | bad news, left wing damage |
Mike=2C we have never met but I have used your video and your postings repe
atedly on our Piet build. Only a fellow builder could share the sorrow you
must be experiencing at this time. We are all so sorry for your loss. I h
ave admired both your workmanship and your willingness to help us novice bu
ilders. Vic N414MV no not archive.
From: michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov
Date: Thu=2C 1 Apr 2010 09:13:23 -0500
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bad news=2C left wing damage
Have some bad news about my Piet. That replica flying bicycle I built ala
the one at Old Rhinebeck that I had suspended
over my Piet with a good rope let loose sometime in the past two weeks sinc
e I was at the hangar and it destroyed the
left wing and cracked the rear spar just outside of the lift struts. Loo
ks like I=92ll be sitting on the sidelines watching everyone
else fly this summer. Oh well=2C stuff happens.
Mikee
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