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cross brace busted loos behind pilot seatback bulkhead check out engine (sure it's fine, didn't really hit, just the prop tips hit until it turned over). some sheet metal repair. turtle deck repair where shoulder harness pulled up and through fabric as Lowell hung there. try to match paint and repaint turtledeck to match rest of fuse bent throttle rod at quadrant leaky fuel connection new diagonal cabane braces did I miss anything?.... A few lessons learned from inspecting the damage. 1. If you used 1/16th cable to brace your tail... double nicropress them, two or three pulled out of the nico sleeve, and I had gauged them. I will use heavier next time. 2. Don't try to save a couple ounces with the diagonal cabane braces, make them stout enough to keep the wing back because if you have a wing tank, or a passenger, you really want that wing to stay put. 3. The "Jenny" gear is as tough as BHP said it was, while the wheels took up a lot of the impact, and were trashed, the basic gear is fairly unscathed. I have no doubt the slit gear would have sheared off, I'm not saying one is better than the other, they are just strong in different areas. 4. USE GOOD SHOULDER HARNESS, AND ANCHOR IT WELL!! mine is the short fuse and you are right up to the instrument panel. Lowell didn't even scratch his nose, yet he rebounded hard enough to break the brace behind the seatback bulkhead. Thank God I spent a lot of effort here. Also, the seatbelt held him in as he hung there and maybe prevented some nasty neck injuries. This was just a simple ground loop that can happen to anyone, but could have been disasterous because of the ditch, but it wasn't because of the belt and harness. 5. Lowell suggests, padding or rounding under the edge of the instrument panel. When upside down, crawling out, that edge peeled some skin off his shins which were already skinned by the tops of the leg apetures in the bulkhead. Maybe enlarge these and pad them? 6. You guys building wood struts or cabanes, don't worry about their strength. thanks again guys! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Re: Next steps or... HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!
Date: Apr 06, 2010
Douwe, If there is any way possible, I will be at the wing fixing party! Where do you live? I'm so glad you didn't take me wrong. When an artist creates something as beautiful as you have, he just can't let all of his labors be for nothing. You have made my day! Gene In beautiful Tennessee N502R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Next steps or... HERE WE GO AGAIN!!! > > > Okay, here goes... > > First of all, thank you guys from the bottom of my heart for your genuine > letters of encouragement and sympathy. No feelings have been hurt, and I > actually appreciate the "kick in the pants" approach. > > I spent the morning going over the damage. The end result is that I will > absolutely rebuild her and plan on bringing her home this week to start. > Won't be at Brodhead this year, maybe next? > > The main damage that I am a bit unsure of how to fix is to the left wing, > outboard of the strut attach points. As it rolled, the leading edge was > pushed down and cracked the leading edge ribs and the bottom of the ribs > from the struts outward. The spars are fine and the leading edge is fine, > just the ribs are crunched. Just ordered the FAA repair manual to see > what > it has to say, and any suggestions would be appreciated. Anybody up for a > wing fixing party (Larry Williams, Gene??) > > other fixes: > > Fix, recover and repaint left wing > fin leading edge cracked > various brace cables busted > wheels, axle and brakes shot > wing tank dented > rad dented > replace prop > some bulkhead damage in pilot leg holes > cross brace busted loos behind pilot seatback bulkhead > check out engine (sure it's fine, didn't really hit, just the prop tips > hit > until it turned over). > some sheet metal repair. > turtle deck repair where shoulder harness pulled up and through fabric as > Lowell hung there. > try to match paint and repaint turtledeck to match rest of fuse > bent throttle rod at quadrant > leaky fuel connection > new diagonal cabane braces > > did I miss anything?.... > > A few lessons learned from inspecting the damage. > 1. If you used 1/16th cable to brace your tail... double nicropress them, > two or three pulled out of the nico sleeve, and I had gauged them. I will > use heavier next time. > > 2. Don't try to save a couple ounces with the diagonal cabane braces, > make > them stout enough to keep the wing back because if you have a wing tank, > or > a passenger, you really want that wing to stay put. > > 3. The "Jenny" gear is as tough as BHP said it was, while the wheels took > up a lot of the impact, and were trashed, the basic gear is fairly > unscathed. I have no doubt the slit gear would have sheared off, I'm not > saying one is better than the other, they are just strong in different > areas. > > 4. USE GOOD SHOULDER HARNESS, AND ANCHOR IT WELL!! mine is the short > fuse > and you are right up to the instrument panel. Lowell didn't even scratch > his nose, yet he rebounded hard enough to break the brace behind the > seatback bulkhead. Thank God I spent a lot of effort here. Also, the > seatbelt held him in as he hung there and maybe prevented some nasty neck > injuries. This was just a simple ground loop that can happen to anyone, > but > could have been disasterous because of the ditch, but it wasn't because of > the belt and harness. > > 5. Lowell suggests, padding or rounding under the edge of the instrument > panel. When upside down, crawling out, that edge peeled some skin off his > shins which were already skinned by the tops of the leg apetures in the > bulkhead. Maybe enlarge these and pad them? > > 6. You guys building wood struts or cabanes, don't worry about their > strength. > > > thanks again guys! > > Douwe > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:32:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: William Colleran <bcolleran(at)comcast.net>
Subject: New England pietenpol
Date: Apr 06, 2010
Hey all looking to see if there is any pietenpols in new England? Bill Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 06, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Next steps or... HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!
douwe,let me know where you are located. i may be able to come up and help, ----- Original Message ---- From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 5:17:04 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Next steps or... HERE WE GO AGAIN!!! Okay, here goes... First of all, thank you guys from the bottom of my heart for your genuine letters of encouragement and sympathy. No feelings have been hurt, and I actually appreciate the "kick in the pants" approach. I spent the morning going over the damage. The end result is that I will absolutely rebuild her and plan on bringing her home this week to start. Won't be at Brodhead this year, maybe next? The main damage that I am a bit unsure of how to fix is to the left wing, outboard of the strut attach points. As it rolled, the leading edge was pushed down and cracked the leading edge ribs and the bottom of the ribs from the struts outward. The spars are fine and the leading edge is fine, just the ribs are crunched. Just ordered the FAA repair manual to see what it has to say, and any suggestions would be appreciated. Anybody up for a wing fixing party (Larry Williams, Gene??) other fixes: Fix, recover and repaint left wing fin leading edge cracked various brace cables busted wheels, axle and brakes shot wing tank dented rad dented replace prop some bulkhead damage in pilot leg holes cross brace busted loos behind pilot seatback bulkhead check out engine (sure it's fine, didn't really hit, just the prop tips hit until it turned over). some sheet metal repair. turtle deck repair where shoulder harness pulled up and through fabric as Lowell hung there. try to match paint and repaint turtledeck to match rest of fuse bent throttle rod at quadrant leaky fuel connection new diagonal cabane braces did I miss anything?.... A few lessons learned from inspecting the damage. 1. If you used 1/16th cable to brace your tail... double nicropress them, two or three pulled out of the nico sleeve, and I had gauged them. I will use heavier next time. 2. Don't try to save a couple ounces with the diagonal cabane braces, make them stout enough to keep the wing back because if you have a wing tank, or a passenger, you really want that wing to stay put. 3. The "Jenny" gear is as tough as BHP said it was, while the wheels took up a lot of the impact, and were trashed, the basic gear is fairly unscathed. I have no doubt the slit gear would have sheared off, I'm not saying one is better than the other, they are just strong in different areas. 4. USE GOOD SHOULDER HARNESS, AND ANCHOR IT WELL!! mine is the short fuse and you are right up to the instrument panel. Lowell didn't even scratch his nose, yet he rebounded hard enough to break the brace behind the seatback bulkhead. Thank God I spent a lot of effort here. Also, the seatbelt held him in as he hung there and maybe prevented some nasty neck injuries. This was just a simple ground loop that can happen to anyone, but could have been disasterous because of the ditch, but it wasn't because of the belt and harness. 5. Lowell suggests, padding or rounding under the edge of the instrument panel. When upside down, crawling out, that edge peeled some skin off his shins which were already skinned by the tops of the leg apetures in the bulkhead. Maybe enlarge these and pad them? 6. You guys building wood struts or cabanes, don't worry about their strength. thanks again guys! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 06, 2010
Subject: Mike Groah--your side door
From: John Fay <jfay1950(at)gmail.com>
Mike, I have a quick question about the side door on your fuselage. How did you engineer that to maintain the required fuselage strength, or did you use plans from someone else? John Fay in Peoria ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Next steps or... HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!
Date: Apr 06, 2010
Douwe I am ready to leave for Sun n Fun. Is there anything that our crew can build for you at the show? I can stop by tomorrow if there is something. If there is give me a call 612-805-1742. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Next steps or... HERE WE GO AGAIN!!! > > > Okay, here goes... > > First of all, thank you guys from the bottom of my heart for your genuine > letters of encouragement and sympathy. No feelings have been hurt, and I > actually appreciate the "kick in the pants" approach. > > I spent the morning going over the damage. The end result is that I will > absolutely rebuild her and plan on bringing her home this week to start. > Won't be at Brodhead this year, maybe next? > > The main damage that I am a bit unsure of how to fix is to the left wing, > outboard of the strut attach points. As it rolled, the leading edge was > pushed down and cracked the leading edge ribs and the bottom of the ribs > from the struts outward. The spars are fine and the leading edge is fine, > just the ribs are crunched. Just ordered the FAA repair manual to see > what > it has to say, and any suggestions would be appreciated. Anybody up for a > wing fixing party (Larry Williams, Gene??) > > other fixes: > > Fix, recover and repaint left wing > fin leading edge cracked > various brace cables busted > wheels, axle and brakes shot > wing tank dented > rad dented > replace prop > some bulkhead damage in pilot leg holes > cross brace busted loos behind pilot seatback bulkhead > check out engine (sure it's fine, didn't really hit, just the prop tips > hit > until it turned over). > some sheet metal repair. > turtle deck repair where shoulder harness pulled up and through fabric as > Lowell hung there. > try to match paint and repaint turtledeck to match rest of fuse > bent throttle rod at quadrant > leaky fuel connection > new diagonal cabane braces > > did I miss anything?.... > > A few lessons learned from inspecting the damage. > 1. If you used 1/16th cable to brace your tail... double nicropress them, > two or three pulled out of the nico sleeve, and I had gauged them. I will > use heavier next time. > > 2. Don't try to save a couple ounces with the diagonal cabane braces, > make > them stout enough to keep the wing back because if you have a wing tank, > or > a passenger, you really want that wing to stay put. > > 3. The "Jenny" gear is as tough as BHP said it was, while the wheels took > up a lot of the impact, and were trashed, the basic gear is fairly > unscathed. I have no doubt the slit gear would have sheared off, I'm not > saying one is better than the other, they are just strong in different > areas. > > 4. USE GOOD SHOULDER HARNESS, AND ANCHOR IT WELL!! mine is the short > fuse > and you are right up to the instrument panel. Lowell didn't even scratch > his nose, yet he rebounded hard enough to break the brace behind the > seatback bulkhead. Thank God I spent a lot of effort here. Also, the > seatbelt held him in as he hung there and maybe prevented some nasty neck > injuries. This was just a simple ground loop that can happen to anyone, > but > could have been disasterous because of the ditch, but it wasn't because of > the belt and harness. > > 5. Lowell suggests, padding or rounding under the edge of the instrument > panel. When upside down, crawling out, that edge peeled some skin off his > shins which were already skinned by the tops of the leg apetures in the > bulkhead. Maybe enlarge these and pad them? > > 6. You guys building wood struts or cabanes, don't worry about their > strength. > > > thanks again guys! > > Douwe > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 06, 2010
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: weekend cowl work
Wow... hey I missed the attached pic when I read Rick's email while I was a t work. That is a really nice looking cowling. Are they louvers or rolled beads in that nose? =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AF rom: Gary Boothe =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Tue, April 6, 2010 4:35:57 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: weeke nd cowl work=0A=0A =0ARick,=0A =0AI like your =98louvers=99 in the nose!=0A =0AGary Boothe=0ACool, CA=0APietenpol=0AWW Corvair Conversion =0ATail done, Fuselage on gear=0A18 ribs done=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Rick=0AHolland=0ASent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:53 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: weekend cowl w ork=0A =0ANice Mike, like the rounded=0Abottom, kind of like the original M odel A cowling. I was lazy and made mine=0Aflat on the bottom like most CSC S builders.=0A=0Arick=0AOn Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Michael Groah wrote:=0A =0AI just thought I'd post some pics of the wor k we got done on=0Athe cowl this past weekend. So far we just have the no se, top and=0Abottom roughed in. We will get to the sides in time. We hav e=0Amasking tape on the intake and cooling scoops to keep from scratching =0Athem. We're no metal experts, but we should be able to hack a cowl out of=0Athis. Anyways, I just thought I'd share our progress. =0A =0AMike Gr oah=0ATulare CA=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0ARick Holland=0ACastle Rock, Col orado=0A=0A"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" =0A=0A=0A_ -======================== ==================0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 06, 2010
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Mike Groah--your side door
John , We used the Kerri Ann Price door plan. I don't know the contact info on her anymore, although it seems like she did a post of her contact info not too long back. I did a quick archive search but didn't find it. Maybe someone else on the list can provide that. I've attached a pic that shows the inside of the fuselage on the door side. You can find some pics of the structure from the outside without the plywood on westcoastpiet.com (just look under my name in the pictures section). If you have any other questions, just ask... I'll try my best to answer them. Mike Groah ________________________________ From: John Fay <jfay1950(at)gmail.com> Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 6:40:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mike Groah--your side door Mike, I have a quick question about the side door on your fuselage. How did you engineer that to maintain the required fuselage strength, or did you use plans from someone else? John Fay in Peoria ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New England pietenpol
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas(at)flyingwood.com>
Date: Apr 06, 2010
I'm in CT. Not a flying plane, just tail feathers and ribs. By any chance, are you planning on doing a Corvair conversion? I have 2 of them (RH blocks which are one of the recommended types in the WW manual) the WW manual, and a few Corvair manuals that I are recommended in the WW manual. I've got an A65 secured so decided to go that route and the 2 Corvair engines are eating up space in my garage. Email me off list if they're of any interest. As for your other question, I think my initial order for capstrip was approx 500ft. That was for wing ribs. Used 1/16" Finnish birch for gussets. I think they sell it in 1/4 sheets and I needed 2 or 3 of those. If you are in New England you can save yourself some shipping buying plywood from Boulter Plywood and just driving out and picking it up. It's aircraft grade and they deal with aircraft builder types fairly regularly and have a basement full of Sitka spruce. -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293304#293304 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2010
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: New England pietenpol
There was a guy named Don Mains, in Limington, Maine. I was given his name by somebody else, so I haven't met him personally yet. He's got a Piet (and a Staggerwing) listed on the online databases. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: William Colleran <bcolleran(at)comcast.net> >Sent: Apr 6, 2010 8:19 PM >To: Pietenpol >Subject: Pietenpol-List: New England pietenpol > > >Hey all looking to see if there is any pietenpols in new England? > >Bill > >Sent from my iPhone > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: alcohol
From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Well this might help if you run car gas.nothing close enough for me and I'll probably stay with avgas.the link show what are supposed to be stations selling alcohol free gas across the U.S. http://pure-gas.org/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293334#293334 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ELT - EPIRB Shopping
Date: Apr 07, 2010
From: hvandervoo(at)aol.com
My Piet was Inspected and passed without one. (2005) My Inspector did make the comment; get one before you take passengers up. By law you are not required to have one if you are the onlyone onboard Hans NX15KV -----Original Message----- From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Tue, Apr 6, 2010 12:58 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT - EPIRB Shopping I have a vague recollection of this question 15(?) years ago when I went to take he Cub out without one. IIRC, there was a loophole in the law that allowed for training flights' without one. There was also a 25nm limit. There were som e ther restrictions, too; training flights are not required to have an nstructor, but cannot carry a passenger. Based on this, I'm thinking the summary answer is 'no'. On the less legal and more practical side, if you expect your inspector to be icky and he says you need one, I don't think I'd have the nerve to shove the aw in his face as he's signing off your plane. You're gonna need one anyho w. If conomics are an issue, borrow one for the day and 'temporarily' mount it. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> Sent: Apr 6, 2010 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT - EPIRB Shopping Is an ELT required for a Piet to pass an airworthiness inspection? rick On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Mike King wrote: > > > Hey gang, > > I have to replace my 12 year old ECK Technologies ELT. Since 121.5 is not onitored > by satellites, I am now in the market for a 406 MHz transmitter or a ombination of > 406 / 121.5 transmission. > > I looked online at Aircraft Spruce and Wag Aero and saw the high priced fferings. > > Has anyone bought an ELT lately and if so, where and how much are they sking. > > Thanks in advance for the info. > > Mike King > 77MK > GN-1 > Corpus Christi, Texas > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Subject: Re: Mike Groah--your side door
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Wow, beatiful workmanship Mike. And that MSD coil switch I see there makes me think that you may be a potential CSCS member. rick On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Michael Groah wrote: > John , > > We used the Kerri Ann Price door plan. I don't know the contact info on > her anymore, although it seems like she did a post of her contact info not > too long back. I did a quick archive search but didn't find it. Maybe > someone else on the list can provide that. I've attached a pic that shows > the inside of the fuselage on the door side. You can find some pics of the > structure from the outside without the plywood on westcoastpiet.com (just > look under my name in the pictures section). > If you have any other questions, just ask... I'll try my best to answer > them. > > Mike Groah > ------------------------------ > *From:* John Fay > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Tue, April 6, 2010 6:40:07 PM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Mike Groah--your side door > > Mike, > > I have a quick question about the side door on your fuselage. How did you > engineer that to maintain the required fuselage strength, or did you use > plans from someone else? > > John Fay > in Peoria > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Subject: Re: ELT - EPIRB Shopping
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Well, technically it reads: "Aircraft equipped to carry not more than one person", So with an Air Camper you really can't use the logic that you only fly by yourself, because the aircraft still has two cockpits and is equipped to carry a passenger. If you had a Sky Scout, you'd be good to go, since you can only have one 'pit for people. Ryan On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:33 AM, wrote: > My Piet was Inspected and passed without one. (2005) > > My Inspector did make the comment; get one before you take passengers up. > > By law you are not required to have one if you are the onlyone onboard > > Hans > > NX15KV > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Tue, Apr 6, 2010 12:58 pm > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT - EPIRB Shopping > > > I have a vague recollection of this question 15(?) years ago when I went to take > the Cub out without one. IIRC, there was a loophole in the law that allowed for > 'training flights' without one. There was also a 25nm limit. There were some > other restrictions, too; training flights are not required to have an > instructor, but cannot carry a passenger. > > Based on this, I'm thinking the summary answer is 'no'. > > On the less legal and more practical side, if you expect your inspector to be > picky and he says you need one, I don't think I'd have the nerve to shove the > law in his face as he's signing off your plane. You're gonna need one anyhow. If > economics are an issue, borrow one for the day and 'temporarily' mount it. > > Jim Ash > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com > > > >Sent: Apr 6, 2010 12:41 PM > >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT - EPIRB Shopping > > > > > >Is an ELT required for a Piet to pass an airworthiness inspection? > > > >rick > > > >On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Mike King wrote: > > > >> > >> Hey gang, > >> > >> I have to replace my 12 year old ECK Technologies ELT. Since 121.5 is not > monitored > >> by satellites, I am now in the market for a 406 MHz transmitter or a > combination of > >> 406 / 121.5 transmission. > >> > >> I looked online at Aircraft Spruce and Wag Aero and saw the high priced > offerings. > >> > >> Has anyone bought an ELT lately and if so, where and how much are they > asking. > >> > >> Thanks in advance for the info. > >> > >> Mike King > >> 77MK > >> GN-1 > >> Corpus Christi, Texas > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >-- > >Rick Holland > >Castle Rock, Colorado > > > >"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > > > > > > > > > > > > =================================== > t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > =================================== > tp://forums.matronics.com > =================================== > _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =================================== > > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "bryan green" <lgreen1(at)sc.rr.com>
Subject: GN-1 project for sale
Date: Apr 07, 2010
After a lot of thought I have decided to sell my rebuild project. I will not go into reasons hear but will respond off list. Have GN-1 N1736 for $2000.00 and a Corvair engine disassembled for $1000.00 with new parts worth more then that. I also have a converted boat trailer for $600.00. I will post photos and inventory list on Yahoo GN-1 site tomorrow sometime. Can be delivered for agreed upon expenses paid in advance and non-refundable. Bryan Green Elgin SC ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Piet project for sale
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Our Piet project is for sale. We are asking $750. It consists of a basic fuselage, horizontal stab, two wing panels (Charlie Rubeck ribs on spars, aileron pieces installed), and many of the metal parts (landing gear vees, most all control system components, various fittings). The fuselage needs the bottom sheet of ply replaced (too thin) and a repair to one longeron. It is located near Elgin, IL. It needs to go by May 1. Please contact me if your interested, and I can provide further info and pictures. Thanks, Ryan rmueller23(at)gmail.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Apr 07, 2010
I may consider an m-cycle trip to your spot. It will take some convincing of my spouse, however. She rides also and went with me to Brodhead last year. This trip would be about 1/2 the distance. We would just need a place to pitch 3 person backpack tent and park 2 m-cycles. I will definitely be interested if there is going to be a good show of airplanes to look at. The more I do on the GN-1 the more questions I have. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293365#293365 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: PIetenpol Wood
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Apr 07, 2010
I would order some mixing syringes and tips for your T-88. I have been squeezing mine out of the bottle and it is a challenge to keep the proportions correct. I haven't had a lot of gluing to do as I am just making modifications. One of our EAA members used the mixing syringes and came up with a way to clean them. I may see him tonight and will ask him. They seemed to be the real deal and probably reduce glue waste. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293366#293366 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Subject: Re: Piet project for sale
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Forgot to attach a few pics....sorry. :P Ryan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Subject: Re: weekend cowl work
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Thank you. Cutting the slots was real easy on a router table after drilling starter holes. Figured it wouldn't hurt to let a little more air in. rick On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Michael Groah wrote: > Wow... hey I missed the attached pic when I read Rick's email while I was > at work. That is a really nice looking cowling. Are they louvers or rol led > beads in that nose? > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Gary Boothe > > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Tue, April 6, 2010 4:35:57 PM > *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: weekend cowl work > > Rick, > > > I like your =91louvers=92 in the nose! > > > Gary Boothe > > Cool, CA > > Pietenpol > > WW Corvair Conversion > > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > > 18 ribs done > > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:53 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: weekend cowl work > > > Nice Mike, like the rounded bottom, kind of like the original Model A > cowling. I was lazy and made mine flat on the bottom like most CSCS > builders. > > rick > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Michael Groah > wrote: > > > I just thought I'd post some pics of the work we got done on the cowl thi s > past weekend. So far we just have the nose, top and bottom roughed in. We > will get to the sides in time. We have masking tape on the intake and > cooling scoops to keep from scratching them. We're no metal experts, but we > should be able to hack a cowl out of this. Anyways, I just thought I'd > share our progress. > > > Mike Groah > > Tulare CA > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > *httpt; http://forums.= --> * > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Subject: Re: PIetenpol Wood
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
The alternative to that is measure by weight. I use a digital postal scale, and non-waxed tiny paper cups from the grocery store. Measurement by weight is not 50/50 as is measurement by volume. rick On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:23 PM, coxwelljon wrote: > coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> > > I would order some mixing syringes and tips for your T-88. I have been > squeezing mine out of the bottle and it is a challenge to keep the > proportions correct. I haven't had a lot of gluing to do as I am just > making modifications. One of our EAA members used the mixing syringes and > came up with a way to clean them. I may see him tonight and will ask him. > They seemed to be the real deal and probably reduce glue waste. > > Jon Coxwell > > -------- > Jon Coxwell > GN-1 Builder > Recycle and preserve the planet > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293366#293366 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piet project for sale
From: rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca
Date: Apr 07, 2010
I am interested if the wings are finished. ------Original Message------ From: Ryan Mueller Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet project for sale Sent: Apr 7, 2010 2:06 PM Our Piet project is for sale. We are asking $750. It consists of a basic fuselage, horizontal stab, two wing panels (Charlie Rubeck ribs on spars, aileron pieces installed), and many of the metal parts (landing gear vees, most all control system components, various fittings). The fuselage needs the bottom sheet of ply replaced (too thin) and a repair to one longeron. It is located near Elgin, IL. It needs to go by May 1. Please contact me if your interested, and I can provide further info and pictures. Thanks, Ryan rmueller23(at)gmail.com Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Subject: Re: Next steps or... HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
That is great, arthroscopic surgery on a Piet wing. I think the most important lesson I have learned from Douwe's Piet mishap is to find a runway to do initial flight testing with nothing but totally flat land in every direction for hundreds of yards in every direction. No fences, ditches, walls, rock piles, etc. Would love to attend a wing raising party Douwe. I am in Colorado but travel to Dayton periodically on business if you are anywhere near there. rick On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> > > Excellent, Douwe! > > Shad is right, AC 43.13 will detail how the ribs should be repaired. I had > one broken rib in my mishap and was able to repair it without removing the > fabric (it helps to have worked for a company that made laparoscopic > surgical instruments). If all the outboard ribs are borken you will > probably have to remove the fabric, at least on that portion of the wing. > That will make the actual rib repairs much easier. As Shad said, you can > probably scarf the capstrips back together if they weren't splintered too > badly and add 1/16" plywood gussets on either side of each rib. > > The lessons learned was very good. Very insightful and useful information > based on real world experience. Thanks! > > Best of luck with the repairs. Let us know the date of the Wing Repair > Party and if I can, I'll be there. Where are you located? > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe > Blumberg > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 5:17 PM > To: pietenpolgroup > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Next steps or... HERE WE GO AGAIN!!! > > > > Okay, here goes... > > First of all, thank you guys from the bottom of my heart for your genuine > letters of encouragement and sympathy. No feelings have been hurt, and I > actually appreciate the "kick in the pants" approach. > > I spent the morning going over the damage. The end result is that I will > absolutely rebuild her and plan on bringing her home this week to start. > Won't be at Brodhead this year, maybe next? > > The main damage that I am a bit unsure of how to fix is to the left wing, > outboard of the strut attach points. As it rolled, the leading edge was > pushed down and cracked the leading edge ribs and the bottom of the ribs > from the struts outward. The spars are fine and the leading edge is fine, > just the ribs are crunched. Just ordered the FAA repair manual to see what > it has to say, and any suggestions would be appreciated. Anybody up for a > wing fixing party (Larry Williams, Gene??) > > other fixes: > > Fix, recover and repaint left wing > fin leading edge cracked > various brace cables busted > wheels, axle and brakes shot > wing tank dented > rad dented > replace prop > some bulkhead damage in pilot leg holes > cross brace busted loos behind pilot seatback bulkhead > check out engine (sure it's fine, didn't really hit, just the prop tips hit > until it turned over). > some sheet metal repair. > turtle deck repair where shoulder harness pulled up and through fabric as > Lowell hung there. > try to match paint and repaint turtledeck to match rest of fuse > bent throttle rod at quadrant > leaky fuel connection > new diagonal cabane braces > > did I miss anything?.... > > A few lessons learned from inspecting the damage. > 1. If you used 1/16th cable to brace your tail... double nicropress them, > two or three pulled out of the nico sleeve, and I had gauged them. I will > use heavier next time. > > 2. Don't try to save a couple ounces with the diagonal cabane braces, make > them stout enough to keep the wing back because if you have a wing tank, or > a passenger, you really want that wing to stay put. > > 3. The "Jenny" gear is as tough as BHP said it was, while the wheels took > up a lot of the impact, and were trashed, the basic gear is fairly > unscathed. I have no doubt the slit gear would have sheared off, I'm not > saying one is better than the other, they are just strong in different > areas. > > 4. USE GOOD SHOULDER HARNESS, AND ANCHOR IT WELL!! mine is the short fuse > and you are right up to the instrument panel. Lowell didn't even scratch > his nose, yet he rebounded hard enough to break the brace behind the > seatback bulkhead. Thank God I spent a lot of effort here. Also, the > seatbelt held him in as he hung there and maybe prevented some nasty neck > injuries. This was just a simple ground loop that can happen to anyone, > but > could have been disasterous because of the ditch, but it wasn't because of > the belt and harness. > > 5. Lowell suggests, padding or rounding under the edge of the instrument > panel. When upside down, crawling out, that edge peeled some skin off his > shins which were already skinned by the tops of the leg apetures in the > bulkhead. Maybe enlarge these and pad them? > > 6. You guys building wood struts or cabanes, don't worry about their > strength. > > > thanks again guys! > > Douwe > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: PIetenpol Wood
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 07, 2010
No need to complicate things any more than necessary. You can mix T-88 easily enough by eyeballing it. EAA's "How to Glue Gussets" video gives a very simple method using a crushed pop can: http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1431564069?bclid=1432790108&bctid=1485316095 Some popsicle sticks from the local craft store to mix and you are ready to go. You can make a small test piece from scrap wood with your mixed batch of glue, and you can destroy it later to test if you are at all worried about the quality of your mix. Ryan On Apr 7, 2010, at 1:23 PM, coxwelljon wrote: > > I would order some mixing syringes and tips for your T-88. I have been squeezing mine out of the bottle and it is a challenge to keep the proportions correct. I haven't had a lot of gluing to do as I am just making modifications. One of our EAA members used the mixing syringes and came up with a way to clean them. I may see him tonight and will ask him. They seemed to be the real deal and probably reduce glue waste. > > Jon Coxwell > > -------- > Jon Coxwell > GN-1 Builder > Recycle and preserve the planet > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293366#293366 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Subject: Re: Piet project for sale
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
As mentioned, the wings panels consist of ribs on spars, and aileron compenents installed. They're not going to become any more finished than that while I own it. Thanks, Ryan On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:14 PM, wrote: > > I am interested if the wings are finished. > ------Original Message------ > From: Ryan Mueller > Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > To: Pietenpol List > ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet project for sale > Sent: Apr 7, 2010 2:06 PM > > > Our Piet project is for sale. We are asking $750. It consists of a basic > fuselage, horizontal stab, two wing panels (Charlie Rubeck ribs on spars, > aileron pieces installed), and many of the metal parts (landing gear vees, > most all control system components, various fittings). > > The fuselage needs the bottom sheet of ply replaced (too thin) and a repair > to one longeron. It is located near Elgin, IL. It needs to go by May 1. > Please contact me if your interested, and I can provide further info and > pictures. Thanks, > > Ryan > rmueller23(at)gmail.com > > > Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: PIetenpol Wood
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Check out the eaa video section on woodworking T-88 is not critical to rati os. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio Date: Wed=2C 7 Apr 2010 12:32:43 -0600 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: PIetenpol Wood From: at7000ft(at)gmail.com The alternative to that is measure by weight. I use a digital postal scale =2C and non-waxed tiny paper cups from the grocery store. Measurement by we ight is not 50/50 as is measurement by volume. rick On Wed=2C Apr 7=2C 2010 at 12:23 PM=2C coxwelljon wrote: net> I would order some mixing syringes and tips for your T-88. I have been squ eezing mine out of the bottle and it is a challenge to keep the proportions correct. I haven't had a lot of gluing to do as I am just making modifica tions. One of our EAA members used the mixing syringes and came up with a way to clean them. I may see him tonight and will ask him. They seemed to be the real deal and probably reduce glue waste. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293366#293366 st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com le=2C List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock=2C Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers=2C that smell bad" _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hot mail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=P ID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mike Groah--your side door
From: "gtche98" <garywilson213(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Beautiful craftsmanship Mike. How much weight do you figure you saved by fluting the wood in the fuselage? Did you flute the entire thing? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293378#293378 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Subject: Re: Next steps or... HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
William Wynne wrote an interesting piece in his Corvair Flight Ops Manual about making the first flight in your airplane, and he makes many good points on how to go about it to do all you can ensure that it will be a safe successful. I don't have it in front of me, but if I recall it some of the things it mentions: As Rick said, try to find a field in good condition, free of obstacles. Try to avoid making the flight if the weather is not right, i.e. high winds, high temp/humidity, etc. If you find any issues with the airplane, address them and resolve to fly another day....don't rush to fix them so you can make the flight that day. Having a small group of people to assist, and be ready as the informal crash/fire/rescue crew. And so on, and so forth. It's a good read even if you're not going to use a Corvair in your airplane. Ryan On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Rick Holland wrote: > That is great, arthroscopic surgery on a Piet wing. I think the most > important lesson I have learned from Douwe's Piet mishap is to find a runway > to do initial flight testing with nothing but totally flat land in every > direction for hundreds of yards in every direction. No fences, ditches, > walls, rock piles, etc. > > Would love to attend a wing raising party Douwe. I am in Colorado but > travel to Dayton periodically on business if you are anywhere near there. > > rick > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > >> pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> >> >> Excellent, Douwe! >> >> Shad is right, AC 43.13 will detail how the ribs should be repaired. I >> had >> one broken rib in my mishap and was able to repair it without removing the >> fabric (it helps to have worked for a company that made laparoscopic >> surgical instruments). If all the outboard ribs are borken you will >> probably have to remove the fabric, at least on that portion of the wing. >> That will make the actual rib repairs much easier. As Shad said, you can >> probably scarf the capstrips back together if they weren't splintered too >> badly and add 1/16" plywood gussets on either side of each rib. >> >> The lessons learned was very good. Very insightful and useful information >> based on real world experience. Thanks! >> >> Best of luck with the repairs. Let us know the date of the Wing Repair >> Party and if I can, I'll be there. Where are you located? >> >> Jack Phillips >> NX899JP >> Raleigh, NC >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe >> Blumberg >> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 5:17 PM >> To: pietenpolgroup >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Next steps or... HERE WE GO AGAIN!!! >> >> >> >> Okay, here goes... >> >> First of all, thank you guys from the bottom of my heart for your genuine >> letters of encouragement and sympathy. No feelings have been hurt, and I >> actually appreciate the "kick in the pants" approach. >> >> I spent the morning going over the damage. The end result is that I will >> absolutely rebuild her and plan on bringing her home this week to start. >> Won't be at Brodhead this year, maybe next? >> >> The main damage that I am a bit unsure of how to fix is to the left wing, >> outboard of the strut attach points. As it rolled, the leading edge was >> pushed down and cracked the leading edge ribs and the bottom of the ribs >> from the struts outward. The spars are fine and the leading edge is fine, >> just the ribs are crunched. Just ordered the FAA repair manual to see >> what >> it has to say, and any suggestions would be appreciated. Anybody up for a >> wing fixing party (Larry Williams, Gene??) >> >> other fixes: >> >> Fix, recover and repaint left wing >> fin leading edge cracked >> various brace cables busted >> wheels, axle and brakes shot >> wing tank dented >> rad dented >> replace prop >> some bulkhead damage in pilot leg holes >> cross brace busted loos behind pilot seatback bulkhead >> check out engine (sure it's fine, didn't really hit, just the prop tips >> hit >> until it turned over). >> some sheet metal repair. >> turtle deck repair where shoulder harness pulled up and through fabric as >> Lowell hung there. >> try to match paint and repaint turtledeck to match rest of fuse >> bent throttle rod at quadrant >> leaky fuel connection >> new diagonal cabane braces >> >> did I miss anything?.... >> >> A few lessons learned from inspecting the damage. >> 1. If you used 1/16th cable to brace your tail... double nicropress them, >> two or three pulled out of the nico sleeve, and I had gauged them. I will >> use heavier next time. >> >> 2. Don't try to save a couple ounces with the diagonal cabane braces, >> make >> them stout enough to keep the wing back because if you have a wing tank, >> or >> a passenger, you really want that wing to stay put. >> >> 3. The "Jenny" gear is as tough as BHP said it was, while the wheels took >> up a lot of the impact, and were trashed, the basic gear is fairly >> unscathed. I have no doubt the slit gear would have sheared off, I'm not >> saying one is better than the other, they are just strong in different >> areas. >> >> 4. USE GOOD SHOULDER HARNESS, AND ANCHOR IT WELL!! mine is the short >> fuse >> and you are right up to the instrument panel. Lowell didn't even scratch >> his nose, yet he rebounded hard enough to break the brace behind the >> seatback bulkhead. Thank God I spent a lot of effort here. Also, the >> seatbelt held him in as he hung there and maybe prevented some nasty neck >> injuries. This was just a simple ground loop that can happen to anyone, >> but >> could have been disasterous because of the ditch, but it wasn't because of >> the belt and harness. >> >> 5. Lowell suggests, padding or rounding under the edge of the instrument >> panel. When upside down, crawling out, that edge peeled some skin off his >> shins which were already skinned by the tops of the leg apetures in the >> bulkhead. Maybe enlarge these and pad them? >> >> 6. You guys building wood struts or cabanes, don't worry about their >> strength. >> >> >> thanks again guys! >> >> Douwe >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Subject: Ryan's Piet project for sale $750
Ryan, You are asking a VERY modest amount for your project for as much as is completed. There is no way you could build what you have there for that amount of money finished or not and anyone who offers you less is dreaming. This is a great buy. And Jon, mixing T-88 by eye is really easy and it is very forgiving to slight errors in mix ratios but even by eye you would be surprised how close you can get the two parts by simply pouring into some small Dixie cups. I routinely glued two scrap pieces of capstrip in an overlap fashion as glue joint tests pieces when mixing batches of T-88 and then when cured you just put one end in the vise and bash the other with a hammer. If the wood breaks your glue mix was just fine. I personally would not waste time using syringes and then cleaning them out. To each his own. Then again I wouldn't build or rebuild a GN-1:)) Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2010
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Mike Groah--your side door
I don't know how much weight it saved. I didn't take the time to figure that all out. It was part of the door plans and I figured it was a good idea to offset the additional wood added by the door mod. Jim Boyer (who is on this list) weighed his pieces and can tell you how much extra weight the door mod adds. I'm sure the grooves reduces weight some and doesn't detract from strength enough to be a negative. Not every piece has been turned into an I beam, but quite a bit of it has. It was simple to do as I was building the fuselage. I just marked the distance I wanted the groove on each piece and took it to the router table. After that it got placed back into the fuselage jig and glued up. It is not routed under anyplace where a gusset goes. Mike Groah ________________________________ From: gtche98 <garywilson213(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 11:59:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mike Groah--your side door Beautiful craftsmanship Mike. How much weight do you figure you saved by fluting the wood in the fuselage? Did you flute the entire thing? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293378#293378 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: Re: PIetenpol Wood
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Didn't Jim Markle provide a mixing ratio sheet a long time ago? It had the exact weight of each part in a handy column format. I may be wrong about the source of the info, but a quick archives search might turn something up. Sorry, I can't easily search the archives on my phone... Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Apr 7, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Rick Holland wrote: > The alternative to that is measure by weight. I use a digital postal > scale, and non-waxed tiny paper cups from the grocery store. > Measurement by weight is not 50/50 as is measurement by volume. > > rick > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:23 PM, coxwelljon > wrote: > > > > I would order some mixing syringes and tips for your T-88. I have > been squeezing mine out of the bottle and it is a challenge to keep > the proportions correct. I haven't had a lot of gluing to do as I > am just making modifications. One of our EAA members used the > mixing syringes and came up with a way to clean them. I may see him > tonight and will ask him. They seemed to be the real deal and > probably reduce glue waste. > > Jon Coxwell > > -------- > Jon Coxwell > GN-1 Builder > Recycle and preserve the planet > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293366#293366 > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: GN-1 project for sale
Date: Apr 07, 2010
What is the url for the Yahoo GN-1 group? I have not heard of it before. Jeff Wilson GN-1 N899WT Saint Louis,MO ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: New England pietenpol
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Bill: There is a semi abandoned project at Bowman field in Livermore Maine. As I understand it was built by the local EAA chapter. Fuse is complete as are the wings. Michael in Scarborough, Maine that is... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Subject: Re: PIetenpol Wood
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
True, I eyeball mix small quantities all the time. But that technique may not work as well when mixing a whole pant-load at once, like for the plywood fuselage sides. rick On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > > No need to complicate things any more than necessary. You can mix T-88 > easily enough by eyeballing it. EAA's "How to Glue Gussets" video gives a > very simple method using a crushed pop can: > > > http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1431564069?bclid=1432790108&bctid=1485316095 > > Some popsicle sticks from the local craft store to mix and you are ready to > go. You can make a small test piece from scrap wood with your mixed batch of > glue, and you can destroy it later to test if you are at all worried about > the quality of your mix. > > Ryan > > > On Apr 7, 2010, at 1:23 PM, coxwelljon wrote: > > coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> > > > > I would order some mixing syringes and tips for your T-88. I have been > squeezing mine out of the bottle and it is a challenge to keep the > proportions correct. I haven't had a lot of gluing to do as I am just > making modifications. One of our EAA members used the mixing syringes and > came up with a way to clean them. I may see him tonight and will ask him. > They seemed to be the real deal and probably reduce glue waste. > > > > Jon Coxwell > > > > -------- > > Jon Coxwell > > GN-1 Builder > > Recycle and preserve the planet > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293366#293366 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Mixing t-88
Just go to Tower Hobbies' web site or your local R/C hobby shop, and buy some epoxy mixing cups, they are clear plastic, graduated 1 oz cups. I bought some at the local hobby shop for 3-4 dollers for 50 of them. I am cheap, so I wipe them out with a rag soaked in acetone then reuse them as long as I can. They are probably available at a medical supply store, as a medication cup, pill cup etc. Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010
Jon, my wife bought a motercycle after I had mine for a couple years. Ironically she is the one who sold hers right after we got maried, not me? I should have plenty of room for 2 bikes and a tent. Where are you riding in from? Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Obfuscatory perambulation
From: "Paul N. Peckham" <peckham9(at)countryspeed.com>
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Tom, Wow! Where can I get one of those turbo encabulators with the hydrocoptic marzel vanes? I checked with McMaster Carr and they're out. Seriously, that video was a riot. I don't know how the guy could keep a straight face and do it off the cuff like he did. Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293408#293408 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2010
From: Jim <jimboyer(at)hughes.net>
Subject: Re: Mike Groah--your side door
Hi, I used the same plans MIke did to make my door. The difference is that my fuselage was already done as I had not planned to worry about who could get in the front when I started building my Piet; but then I wasn't married! Now my wife would like to go along with me so I ordered the plans and took over one month to rebuild the right side of the fuse. All the wood for the door and main beam (heaviest item) added just under 11 pounds. I did not add the cross braces to the door as the plans show because in my opinion the door is not a structural part once it is just held on with hinges and two rods sliding into a hole so saved some weight but not much there. I also did not route out the pieces as Mike did since it was being added to existing structure. Figured 11 pounds would not overly stress my Corvair engine. I will try to send a couple of pictures tomorrow as cannot get to my computer that has them on it right now. It looks just like Mikes with exception of not routed grooves and the rear cockpit has an additional diagonal brace that is part of original structure in addition to new diagonal brace added by door plans. Pictures tommorrow should make this make sense. Cheers, Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Apr 7, 2010, Michael Groah wrote: I don't know how much weight it saved. I didn't take the time to figure that all out. It was part of the door plans and I figured it was a good idea to offset the additional wood added by the door mod. Jim Boyer (who is on this list) weighed his pieces and can tell you how much extra weight the door mod adds. I'm sure the grooves reduces weight some and doesn't detract from strength enough to be a negative. Not every piece has been turned into an I beam, but quite a bit of it has. It was simple to do as I was building the fuselage. I just marked the distance I wanted the groove on each piece and took it to the router table. After that it got placed back into the fuselage jig and glued up. It is not routed under anyplace where a gusset goes. Mike Groah From: gtche98 <garywilson213(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 11:59:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mike Groah--your side door ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Subject: Re: Mixing t-88
you're wasting your time and resources going about it that way, I am a builder and cheep also. I go to Quiznos, buy a sandwich or a soda and ask the kid behind the counter if he minds my taking a bunch of those condiment cups. The kid says sure help your self I don't mind and "presto chango" just like magic I markle me a bunch and I got mixing cups, disposable, light weight and perfect for a one or 2 pump mix, no muss no fuss just mixing epoxy and building an airplane. The on my morning travels to work I get me a cup o Coffee and a bunch of those popsicle stick wooden mixing sticks and I got a ways to mix evenly my brew of glue. The heart breaking is having to purchase and pay for the flux brushes to apply the epoxy, rats..... I sure hate buying them, and ,remember never pay for anything that you can markle. You heard it first here! John In a message dated 4/7/2010 5:25:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: shad bell Just go to Tower Hobbies' web site or your local R/C hobby shop, and buy some epoxy mixing cups, they are clear plastic, graduated 1 oz cups. I bought some at the local hobby shop for 3-4 dollers for 50 of them. I am cheap, so I wipe them out with a rag soaked in acetone then reuse them as long as I can. They are probably available at a medical supply store, as a medication cup, pill cup etc. Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Mixing t-88
I used little 1 ounce cups I bought at a pharmacy for mixing. I didn't waste money on flux brushes, though. I took a 2 or 3 inch long piece of cap strip and tapered one end and used that to mix the T-88 and then apply it to the parts of the ribs. I could use the same piece for many ribs. In spite of all my frugality I still spent 8K on the airframe. Ben On 4/7/2010 5:52 PM, AMsafetyC(at)aol.com wrote: > you're wasting your time and resources going about it that way, I am a > builder and cheep also. I go to Quiznos, buy a sandwich or a soda and > ask the kid behind the counter if he minds my taking a bunch of those > condiment cups. The kid says sure help your self I don't mind and > "presto chango" just like magic I markle me a bunch and I got mixing > cups, disposable, light weight and perfect for a one or 2 pump mix, no > muss no fuss just mixing epoxy and building an airplane. The on my > morning travels to work I get me a cup o Coffee and a bunch of those > popsicle stick wooden mixing sticks and I got a ways to mix evenly my > brew of glue. The heart breaking is having to purchase and pay for the > flux brushes to apply the epoxy, rats..... I sure hate buying them, > and ,remember never pay for anything that you can markle. You heard it > first here! > John > In a message dated 4/7/2010 5:25:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com writes: > > > > Just go to Tower Hobbies' web site or your local R/C hobby shop, > and buy some epoxy mixing cups, they are clear plastic, graduated > 1 oz cups. I bought some at the local hobby shop for 3-4 dollers > for 50 of them. I am cheap, so I wipe them out with a rag soaked > in acetone then reuse them as long as I can. They are probably > available at a medical supply store, as a medication cup, pill cup > etc. > > Shad > > > ======================== Use the ties Day > ================================================ - > MATRONICS WEB FORUMS > ================================================ - List > Contribution Web Site sp; > ================================================== > > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GN-1 project for sale
From: "ivan.todorovic" <tosha(at)sezampro.rs>
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Jeff, Address is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GregaGN1/ It is very slow in traffic, maybe discussions would be more interesting if GN-1 builders and owners join in numbers. Regards, Ivan [quote="jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com"]What is the url for the Yahoo GN-1 group? I have not heard of it before. Jeff Wilson GN-1 N899WT Saint Louis,MO > [b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293418#293418 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com>
Subject: Re: PIetenpol Wood
Date: Apr 07, 2010
I've simply squeezed equal lengths of the materials into a scrap microwave dinner dish, which alas, we have plenty of. Works good. David Paule > I would order some mixing syringes and tips for your T-88. I have been > squeezing mine out of the bottle and it is a challenge to keep the > proportions correct. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Mixing t-88
Date: Apr 07, 2010
All these little cups and condiment containers are good ideas, just be careful that you aren't using waxed cups. The wax will contaminate and weaken the epoxy. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Charvet To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mixing t-88 I used little 1 ounce cups I bought at a pharmacy for mixing. I didn't waste money on flux brushes, though. I took a 2 or 3 inch long piece of cap strip and tapered one end and used that to mix the T-88 and then apply it to the parts of the ribs. I could use the same piece for many ribs. In spite of all my frugality I still spent 8K on the airframe. Ben On 4/7/2010 5:52 PM, AMsafetyC(at)aol.com wrote: you're wasting your time and resources going about it that way, I am a builder and cheep also. I go to Quiznos, buy a sandwich or a soda and ask the kid behind the counter if he minds my taking a bunch of those condiment cups. The kid says sure help your self I don't mind and "presto chango" just like magic I markle me a bunch and I got mixing cups, disposable, light weight and perfect for a one or 2 pump mix, no muss no fuss just mixing epoxy and building an airplane. The on my morning travels to work I get me a cup o Coffee and a bunch of those popsicle stick wooden mixing sticks and I got a ways to mix evenly my brew of glue. The heart breaking is having to purchase and pay for the flux brushes to apply the epoxy, rats..... I sure hate buying them, and ,remember never pay for anything that you can markle. You heard it first here! John In a message dated 4/7/2010 5:25:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com writes: Just go to Tower Hobbies' web site or your local R/C hobby shop, and buy some epoxy mixing cups, they are clear plastic, graduated 1 oz cups. I bought some at the local hobby shop for 3-4 dollers for 50 of them. I am cheap, so I wipe them out with a rag soaked in acetone then reuse them as long as I can. They are probably available at a medical supply store, as a medication cup, pill cup etc. Shad ======================== Use the ties Day ======================= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ======================= - List Contribution Web Site sp; href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mixing t-88
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Apr 07, 2010
You "markled" your mixing cups... that's awesome. Speaking of the Markle... he has an awesome measuring chart for anyone that has a digital scale. I started out using that method before I even knew the risks involved in the Markle methods... too late to turn back now. Honestly... it must be perfect... my bottles are even-steven with only a half inch or so left in each. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293427#293427 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ryan's Piet project for sale $750
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Oh my gosh... no kidding! Did you guys see those photos? Nice work Ryan. I'm getting close to completion on my wings and I don't think I'd take $750 for them alone, but the fuse and stab too! Somebody is going to get lucky. [Shocked] -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293428#293428 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Hey Shad, I'm planning to be there. I'll probably show up Friday evening and tent it then head out late Saturday afternoon. I talked to Frank P. a few days ago. I mentioned the Fly-in to him and said he thought he could make it. He wasn't sure which Piet he'd bring, either the Model A or the Lambert, but he said he wants to come. Should be fun! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293429#293429 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2010
From: Doug Bowman <airbowman48(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: PIetenpol Wood
You can get syringes at the local feed mill/ranch supply store in sizes that can you can fill from the dispensing containers that the T- 88 comes in and from these syringes you can measure the stuff out very accurately. ----- Original Message ---- From: coxwelljon <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 2:23:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: PIetenpol Wood I would order some mixing syringes and tips for your T-88. I have been squeezing mine out of the bottle and it is a challenge to keep the proportions correct. I haven't had a lot of gluing to do as I am just making modifications. One of our EAA members used the mixing syringes and came up with a way to clean them. I may see him tonight and will ask him. They seemed to be the real deal and probably reduce glue waste. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293366#293366 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Subject: Re: Mixing t-88
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Here they are: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/epoxy_mixing_table.doc http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/epoxy_mixing_table_small.doc One for small amounts, one for larger amounts. Ryan On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:51 PM, K5YAC wrote: > > You "markled" your mixing cups... that's awesome. > > Speaking of the Markle... he has an awesome measuring chart for anyone that > has a digital scale. I started out using that method before I even knew the > risks involved in the Markle methods... too late to turn back now. > Honestly... it must be perfect... my bottles are even-steven with only a > half inch or so left in each. > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293427#293427 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Ohio piet fly-in 2010
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Shad, Ed and I are still planning to show, probably Friday. One Piet, one Grega and two tents. Skip > [Original Message] > From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> > To: > Date: 4/6/2010 5:29:28 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio piet fly-in 2010 > > > OK Group, I have been out in the hanger today starting on the annual on the piet, I am trying to get another estimate on atendance. It will be Sat June 19, the day befor father's day. If people want to fly in on friday afternoon that is fine with me, I have room for tent camping, ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mixing t-88
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 08, 2010
A builder has to markle what he can and pay for what he can't. The builders creed, words to live by. John ------Original Message------ From: Mark Chunard Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mixing t-88 Sent: Apr 7, 2010 7:51 PM You "markled" your mixing cups... that's awesome. Speaking of the Markle... he has an awesome measuring chart for anyone that has a digital scale. I started out using that method before I even knew the risks involved in the Markle methods... too late to turn back now. Honestly... it must be perfect... my bottles are even-steven with only a half inch or so left in each. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293427#293427 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Obfuscatory perambulation
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 08, 2010
I had heard that Bill Church has one or two of them laying around that he's not using but that could just be a rumor started by some trustworthy Piet builder. John ------Original Message------ From: Paul N. Peckham Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Obfuscatory perambulation Sent: Apr 7, 2010 5:32 PM Tom, Wow! Where can I get one of those turbo encabulators with the hydrocoptic marzel vanes? I checked with McMaster Carr and they're out. Seriously, that video was a riot. I don't know how the guy could keep a straight face and do it off the cuff like he did. Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293408#293408 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: Jim <jimboyer(at)hughes.net>
Subject: Re: Mike Groah--your side door
Hi Mike and Gary, Here are the pictures of my door and rear cockpit added bracing. I rolled it outside in the sun thinking it would help but I think it added a lot of glare. Anyway hope this shows the difference in routing or not routing. Routing like Mike did makes it look a lot neater but have no idea how much weight it may save. Weight saved may not be as important as in how it looks. If I had been building it in initially I would have routed too (I think). Also a copy of instrument panel; its part of that picture group. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine Apr 7, 2010 12:46:02 PM, pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com wrote: I don't know how much weight it saved. I didn't take the time to figure that all out. It was part of the door plans and I figured it was a good idea to offset the additional wood added by the door mod. Jim Boyer (who is on this list) weighed his pieces and can tell you how much extra weight the door mod adds. I'm sure the grooves reduces weight some and doesn't detract from strength enough to be a negative. Not every piece has been turned into an I beam, but quite a bit of it has. It was simple to do as I was building the fuselage. I just marked the distance I wanted the groove on each piece and took it to the router table. After that it got placed back into the fuselage jig and glued up. It is not routed under anyplace where a gusset goes. Mike Groah From: gtche98 <garywilson213(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 11:59:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mike Groah--your side door ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2010
From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: beauty
i whish my proyect looks like these museum pice is not good if these is abandoned I hope some one closed location rescue. ________________________________ From: Michael Silvius <silvius(at)gwi.net> Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 2:34:00 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New England pietenpol Bill: There is a semi abandoned project at Bowman field in Livermore Maine. As I understand it was built by the local EAA chapter. Fuse is complete as are the wings. Michael in Scarborough, Maine that is... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 07, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010
Don, If Frank has 2 piets to bring I can think of at least 1 willing ferry pilot (me, me, me) who is willing to fly one down and back to Barber, If he is comfortable with it, I can probably work it out with out a problem. I definitly understand though if he is not comfortable with it,(us corvair guys are crazy anyhow). I am guessing you are talking about the Russle/ Rudolf Model A piet, as the 2nd. If the weather holds out I think this is going to be a very good fly-in. I just came in from the hanger (1am) I was out there getting the tractors ready for mowing, and day dreaming about how, where, when etc, for the fly in. I think I could talk Bill See into a ride up in his champ if Frank wants to bring both piets down. I think getting at least 7-10 piets here is a realistic number if all who plan on attending, show up. Dad will have his 1932 model A 1 1/2 ton steak bed truck here as well, I took some black and white photos with it and the piet last fall, looks like the 30's if you disreguard the corvair engine. We also got some pics at the WACO fly in with Bill Knight's UPF-7 (a fellow piet pilot, owns "the last original") and the truck last year. That just happened to score me, my dad, and my wife a ride in his waco. OK, now that I am all wound up, I gotta get to bed. Good night to all. I need to go flying, the last thing I flew was made of platic, had a nose wheel, and had a tv screen where the "steam guages are supposed to be. Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: SNF Piet forums?
Does anybody have a line on the SNF forum schedule and when the Piet forum(s) is/are? Jim Ash ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: New England pietenpol
Is it for sale or is it just going to die there? Jim -----Original Message----- >From: Michael Silvius <silvius(at)gwi.net> >Sent: Apr 7, 2010 5:34 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New England pietenpol > >Bill: > >There is a semi abandoned project at Bowman field in Livermore Maine. As I >understand it was built by the local EAA chapter. Fuse is complete as are >the wings. > >Michael in Scarborough, Maine that is... > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
Subject: Re: SNF Piet forums?
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Jim http://www.sun-n-fun.org/FlyIn.aspx <http://www.sun-n-fun.org/FlyIn.aspx>Under Schedules and Maps>Forums>, they have each day's forum schedule listed. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Jim Ash wrote: > > > Does anybody have a line on the SNF forum schedule and when the Piet > forum(s) is/are? > > Jim Ash ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Test Fight - Douwe
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 08, 2010
The worst thought that went through my mind as the right wing lifted,with stick full right, tail up, chop throttle, max right rudder, all by instinct, WAS, Douwe's beautiful Piet, heading now for the gang watching this maneuver, approx, a few 100 feet away, With this experience the observers and equipment, must also keep far enough away from the runway for their safety. Not my best Day, sorry Douwe Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293487#293487 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Obfuscatory perambulation
Strangely, or maybe not so strangely, this sounds very much like many of the presentations given here at Fermilab. As an example, here's the caption on a diagram given in today's edition of "Fermilab Today": The two-jet mass spectrum in the three b-quark event sample from in 2.5 inverse femtobarns of CDF data. bbB, bBb, etc. are nicknames for Standard Model processes with three b-quarks that comprise most of the sample. The small SUSY-Higgs-like excess is shown in red. Today's issue is at the following link. And yes, that is an article about a rapper who raps about science. Kids, these days... http://www.fnal.gov/pub/today/archive_2010/today10-04-08.html Enjoy! Dan On 04/05/2010 01:24 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > *The gentleman in this video has been hired by the Crank Snappin' > Corvair Society (CS) to articulate our cause to the masses. I am sure > that you will all understand the veracity of our prognostications re: > our choice of motive appliance, once you hear him.* > ** > http://home.comcast.net/~steveham21/turbo.mpg > The real story is as follows: > Several years ago, Rockwell International decided to get into the heavy > duty transmission business. They were getting ready to tape a first > introduction video, and as a warm up, the professional narrator began > what has become a legend within the trucking industry. This man should > have won an academy award for his stellar performance. Now remember this > is strictly off the cuff, nothing is written down, this became the > biggest talk in the industry, vs the new product which they were > introducing. > Stinemetze > N328X -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: New England pietenpol
Date: Apr 08, 2010
I heard it was built by the EAA chapter in Livermore up at Bowman Field. I also heard they were approached some time ago by interested parties to purchase it and they could not seem to come to an agreement. To many parties involved. At any rate if anyone is intrested the best thing would be to look up the local EAA chapter and make contact with the powers that be and see what they can tell you. chapter 827 I believe is the one http://www.eaa827.org/page14.html Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ash" <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> > > Is it for sale or is it just going to die there? > > Jim > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Subject: Re: New England Pietenpol
Date: Apr 08, 2010
I contacted Chapter 827, and that Piet project was sold last year. Brian SLC-UT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Silvius Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 9:17 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New England pietenpol I heard it was built by the EAA chapter in Livermore up at Bowman Field. I also heard they were approached some time ago by interested parties to purchase it and they could not seem to come to an agreement. To many parties involved. At any rate if anyone is intrested the best thing would be to look up the local EAA chapter and make contact with the powers that be and see what they can tell you. chapter 827 I believe is the one http://www.eaa827.org/page14.html Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ash" <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> > > Is it for sale or is it just going to die there? > > Jim > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: New England Pietenpol
Date: Apr 08, 2010
Well that is good news. At least it found a new home and perhaps it may be completed. It was last August at the anual Fly-in when I saw it there. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> > > I contacted Chapter 827, and that Piet project was sold last year. > > Brian > SLC-UT > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
Subject: Re: Ryan's Piet project for sale $750
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Just a quick note...a number of people have contacted me about the project, but it still available. You may have noticed the Continental A-65 that we have listed for sale....1505TT, 709SMOH, complete logs, engine complete minus carb and mag harness. If you decide to purchase the Piet, the price on the engine comes down to $2500. $3250 for the project and the A-65..... Just wanted to throw that out there. Have a good day all! Ryan On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > Aerospace Corporation]" > > Ryan, > > You are asking a VERY modest amount for your project for as much as is > completed. There is no way you could build what you have there for that > amount of money finished or not and anyone who offers you less is dreaming. > > This is a great buy. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Arden Adamson" <aadamson1(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: simple mixing of T-88
Date: Apr 08, 2010
Hey guys, With all due respect to everyone's suggestions for mixing T-88. The simplest thing to do is-go to Fleet-Farm (or another farm supply store) and buy the largest syringes available. I buy 30cm size. Pour part A in one syringe and part B in a second syringe. They are marked in cm's so mixing is accurate, are easy to use, are inexpensive and readily available. That's the only way I'd mix T-88. Arden Adamson New London, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Ryan's Piet project for sale $750
Date: Apr 08, 2010
Ryan, I am definitely interested. Just want to know a couple things, what plans- Pietenpol or Grega? What is the length of the fuse firewall to tail? And can I come get it tommorrow? I ,m ready to roll. Don't need the engine though. Got a fresh A-65 and prop ready to go. Call me. 314-974-4589 Jeff Wilson N899WT (reserved) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mixing t-88
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Apr 08, 2010
As a public service, to help out those of us who don't own a digital scale, and mix our T-88 ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTIONS ON THE BOTTLE - which is by volume, not weight, I have devised a similar chart to the ones created by Mr. Markle. Here's how this one works. The column titled RESIN is the amount of resin that you measure out (half of the total volume of desired mixed epoxy), and the column titled HARDENER is the corresponding amount of hardener to be added to the resin. The beauty of this chart is that the units are up to you! They can be ounces, or milliliters, or cups, quarts, gallons, drams, ketchup cups, microwave dinner trays, whatever. PLUS, if the number you are looking for isn't on this chart, don't fret, because it's a very simple calculation - just multiply the volume of resin by ONE to get the corresponding volume of hardener to add. What if you measure out the hardener first? No sweat. Just multiply the volume of hardener by ONE to get the corresponding volume of resin to add. Maybe not as fun as playing with the digital scale, but it'll work just the same. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293507#293507 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/epoxy_mixing_table_volume_262.doc ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
Subject: Re: Ryan's Piet project for sale $750
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
And the project has been sold. The A-65 did not go with it, so if anyone wants that, please let us know! Ryan On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Just a quick note...a number of people have contacted me about the project, > but it still available. You may have noticed the Continental A-65 that we > have listed for sale....1505TT, 709SMOH, complete logs, engine complete > minus carb and mag harness. If you decide to purchase the Piet, the price on > the engine comes down to $2500. $3250 for the project and the A-65..... > > Just wanted to throw that out there. Have a good day all! > > Ryan > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: SNF Piet forums?
I don't remember ever seeing a formal Pietenpol forum at Sun-N-Fun. Lots of Pietenpol folks hang out at the woodworking shop though. Looks like there may be 4 Pietenpols there. Right now I'm hoping to fly in on Wed and stay through Sat AM. Ben CHarvet NX866BC 22.3 hours into Phase 1, hoping for good weather this weekend On 4/8/2010 9:00 AM, Jim Ash wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash > > > Does anybody have a line on the SNF forum schedule and when the Piet forum(s) is/are? > > Jim Ash > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Mixing t-88
Hilarious....thanks for a good dose of silly today.... What a hoot. -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> >Sent: Apr 8, 2010 10:52 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mixing t-88 > > >As a public service, to help out those of us who don't own a digital scale, and mix our T-88 ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTIONS ON THE BOTTLE - which is by volume, not weight, I have devised a similar chart to the ones created by Mr. Markle. > >Here's how this one works. The column titled RESIN is the amount of resin that you measure out (half of the total volume of desired mixed epoxy), and the column titled HARDENER is the corresponding amount of hardener to be added to the resin. The beauty of this chart is that the units are up to you! They can be ounces, or milliliters, or cups, quarts, gallons, drams, ketchup cups, microwave dinner trays, whatever. PLUS, if the number you are looking for isn't on this chart, don't fret, because it's a very simple calculation - just multiply the volume of resin by ONE to get the corresponding volume of hardener to add. What if you measure out the hardener first? No sweat. Just multiply the volume of hardener by ONE to get the corresponding volume of resin to add. > >Maybe not as fun as playing with the digital scale, but it'll work just the same. > >Bill C. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293507#293507 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/epoxy_mixing_table_volume_262.doc > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Apr 08, 2010
aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com wrote: > Jon, my wife bought a motercycle after I had mine for a couple years. Ironically she is the one who sold hers right after we got maried, not me? I should have plenty of room for 2 bikes and a tent. Where are you riding in from? > > Shad I would be coming from Remsen NY, 20 miles North of Utica. About 650 miles. We ride huge bikes, a 1982 Honda Twinstar 200 and a 250 Honda Helix. At the end of the day you just lay down and vibrate for 10 minutes. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293529#293529 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: simple mixing of T-88
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Apr 08, 2010
[quote="aadamson1(at)centurytel.n"]Hey guys, With all due respect to everyones suggestions for mixing T-88. The simplest thing to do isgo to Fleet-Farm (or another farm supply store) and buy the largest syringes available. I buy 30cm size. Pour part A in one syringe and part B in a second syringe. They are marked in cms so mixing is accurate, are easy to use, are inexpensive and readily available. Thats the only way Id mix T-88. Arden Adamson New London, WI > [b] I saw my fellow EAA'r last night and asked him what he had used. He is building Hatz classic wings. He is frugal, methodical and smart. He buys buys double barrel syringes from McMastars-Carr (on line) along with mixing tips, and cleans them by soaking them in a closed container of MEK. Said he is able to get multiple uses out of the syringes and tips. I use white vinegar for T-88 clean up but I don't know if it would clean it out of a syringe. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293534#293534 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: syringes
I know some syringes have rubber o-rings, and depending on what kind of rubber they are made of, mek, acetone and other solvents might cause the o-rings to swell so much that you can not even push the plunger down. I have run into this at work, when trying to mix small batches of primer or paint. just my 2 cents, Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Mixing t-88
It seems that there is too much talk about how to mix T88. Look on the container and just mix it one to one. That is simple enough for a dummy like me. Cheers, Gardiner Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/epoxy_mixing_table_volume_262.doc ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: simple mixing of T-88
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Apr 08, 2010
Well, I must be REALLY frugal then, because I don't buy any syringes. But then, I don't use any syringes, either. Just a simple, cheap, graduated clear plastic medicine cup (like others have mentioned), and a re-usable plastic mixing stick/spreader. Really simple, and really easy, and I don't use any MEK (that stuff is toxic, you know) or even vinegar, because THERE IS NO CLEANUP. Just leave the little bit in the bottom of the mixing cup, label it with the date, and keep it as a record of your glue sample. The bit of epoxy that is left on the mixing stick flakes off when fully cured, and the stick gets re-used. The syringes just seem like WAY more work that they're worth. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293546#293546 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Mixing t-88
On 04/08/2010 03:10 PM, airlion wrote: > It seems that there is too much talk about how to mix T88. Slow news day. Next up: watching paint dry! Followed by apple slices turning brown! So, how many hours do you have on your shiny new Piet, now? I got out for 3.2hr the other day. Only 3.5 more until the Insurance Man says I can take my lovely bride for a ride. Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Ohio piet fly-in, food
Group, To all those who plan on attending our Ohio piet fly-in, I am trying to come up with a way to keep it affordable for me,and Dad so we can do it again in the future. I am planning on making it pot luck, bring a dish to pass, or if you can't carry food etc because you are flying in, a donation jar. I might just hand out tickets for a small donation, which is basically a meal pass, bringing a covered dish, chips, soda etc would get you a free ticket. One of the reasons I might need to do this, is there are a few locals who have in the past shown up uninvited to take advantage of peoples good nature, to feed 10+ people with no intention of helping to donate or contribute in any such way, and are blaitant in doing so (it's a long story) If any of you have any other ideas let me know. For those of you who plan on bringing food, I will try to get a list of who is bringing what a month or so in advance so I can get to the store to buy the rest, so everyone will have a full belly. Don, Mike, Frank, Skipp, and other friday night campers, I was thinking if you want we can pile into the 1932 model A truck (stakebed) hay ride style, and go uptown to the dinner for breakfast 1st thing saturday morning, it's only 2 miles down the road, I think it would be easier than cooking up breakfast here, (I might be treading on thin ice with the boss at that point, she'll be 7 months pregnant by then) If I destroy the kitchen, I'll be camping at my own house. So far I have 6-7 piets planning on attending, and 3-4 more of maybe's, 4,5 piet builders (still building), some flying in, others driving, one international attendee (Scott Knowlton, from Canada)flying in a Stinson, and a dozzen or so of my aviation friends and family. Shad P.S. I called to get prices on rent-a-johns, they are only about $100 per unit, for Friday-Monday, 2 should be plenty, I just use my tree when the laddies aren't looking. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Obfuscatory perambulation
You work with Kermit Carlson? -----Original Message----- >From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> >Sent: Apr 8, 2010 10:16 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Obfuscatory perambulation > > >Strangely, or maybe not so strangely, this sounds very much like many of >the presentations given here at Fermilab. As an example, here's the >caption on a diagram given in today's edition of "Fermilab Today": > > The two-jet mass spectrum in the three b-quark event sample > from in 2.5 inverse femtobarns of CDF data. bbB, bBb, etc. are > nicknames for Standard Model processes with three b-quarks that > comprise most of the sample. The small SUSY-Higgs-like excess > is shown in red. > >Today's issue is at the following link. And yes, that is an article >about a rapper who raps about science. Kids, these days... > >http://www.fnal.gov/pub/today/archive_2010/today10-04-08.html > > >Enjoy! >Dan > > >On 04/05/2010 01:24 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: >> *The gentleman in this video has been hired by the Crank Snappin' >> Corvair Society (CS) to articulate our cause to the masses. I am sure >> that you will all understand the veracity of our prognostications re: >> our choice of motive appliance, once you hear him.* >> ** >> http://home.comcast.net/~steveham21/turbo.mpg >> The real story is as follows: >> Several years ago, Rockwell International decided to get into the heavy >> duty transmission business. They were getting ready to tape a first >> introduction video, and as a warm up, the professional narrator began >> what has become a legend within the trucking industry. This man should >> have won an academy award for his stellar performance. Now remember this >> is strictly off the cuff, nothing is written down, this became the >> biggest talk in the industry, vs the new product which they were >> introducing. >> Stinemetze >> N328X > > >-- >Dan Yocum >Fermilab 630.840.6509 >yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: SNF Piet forums?
I'm looking to sit in one. Ideally, I'd like to sit in two; a standard one and a long one. I'll be working in the metal shaping workshop, but I've got business to attend here and won't be arriving until Thursday morning (commercial flight into TPA late Wed). Jim -----Original Message----- >From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> >Sent: Apr 8, 2010 1:03 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF Piet forums? > > >I don't remember ever seeing a formal Pietenpol forum at Sun-N-Fun. >Lots of Pietenpol folks hang out at the woodworking shop though. Looks >like there may be 4 Pietenpols there. Right now I'm hoping to fly in on >Wed and stay through Sat AM. > >Ben CHarvet >NX866BC >22.3 hours into Phase 1, hoping for good weather this weekend > >On 4/8/2010 9:00 AM, Jim Ash wrote: >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash >> >> >> Does anybody have a line on the SNF forum schedule and when the Piet forum(s) is/are? >> >> Jim Ash >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Alternative to $84.00 wing strut forks
I am putting my next ACS order together and was going to buy the wing strut forks. However, I am curious if anyone has an alternative to buying these at over $84.00 each? - The usual places...(Mc Master) have clevis rod ends but they are very inexp ensive and I doubt they are a good aircraft replacement. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: SNF Piet forums?
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Apr 08, 2010
You're looking to sit in a standard forum and a long one as well? I'd suggest bringing a good seat cushion - especially if it's a vacuum-bagging forum. (Just pulling your chain, Jim) Bill C. I'm looking to sit in one. Ideally, I'd like to sit in two; a standard one and a long one. I'll be working in the metal shaping workshop, but I've got business to attend here and won't be arriving until Thursday morning (commercial flight into TPA late Wed). Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293569#293569 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Alternative to $84.00 wing strut forks
If you are going to sun n fun you could probably find them a lot cheaper at the fly mart. Gardiner ________________________________ From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 6:57:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alternative to $84.00 wing strut forks I am putting my next ACS order together and was going to buy the wing strut forks. However, I am curious if anyone has an alternative to buying these at over $84.00 each? The usual places...(Mc Master) have clevis rod ends but they are very inexpensive and I doubt they are a good aircraft replacement. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: SNF Piet forums?
I have a long one...(I hope your are talking about the fuselage). Hopefully we can meet up and you can climb in and see how it fits. My cell # is 321-961-5117. Ben On 4/8/2010 6:46 PM, Jim Ash wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash > > I'm looking to sit in one. Ideally, I'd like to sit in two; a standard one and a long one. I'll be working in the metal shaping workshop, but I've got business to attend here and won't be arriving until Thursday morning (commercial flight into TPA late Wed). > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ben Charvet<bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> >> Sent: Apr 8, 2010 1:03 PM >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF Piet forums? >> >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet >> >> I don't remember ever seeing a formal Pietenpol forum at Sun-N-Fun. >> Lots of Pietenpol folks hang out at the woodworking shop though. Looks >> like there may be 4 Pietenpols there. Right now I'm hoping to fly in on >> Wed and stay through Sat AM. >> >> Ben CHarvet >> NX866BC >> 22.3 hours into Phase 1, hoping for good weather this weekend >> >> On 4/8/2010 9:00 AM, Jim Ash wrote: >> >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash >>> >>> >>> Does anybody have a line on the SNF forum schedule and when the Piet forum(s) is/are? >>> >>> Jim Ash >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: SNF Piet forums?
Dang, how long WAS my vacuum-bagging forum anyway????? Maybe I stretched it out thinking everyone was as impressed with me as I was.... :-) (JUST KIDDING!!!) I would do another one on some future Brodhead trip and try to keep it shorter (not really) but I don't think I could keep a straight face for any of it.... :-) pokity, pokity, pokity....... -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> >Sent: Apr 8, 2010 5:09 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? > > >You're looking to sit in a standard forum and a long one as well? I'd suggest bringing a good seat cushion - especially if it's a vacuum-bagging forum. > >(Just pulling your chain, Jim) > >Bill C. > > >I'm looking to sit in one. Ideally, I'd like to sit in two; a standard one and a long one. I'll be working in the metal shaping workshop, but I've got business to attend here and won't be arriving until Thursday morning (commercial flight into TPA late Wed). > >Jim > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293569#293569 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 09, 2010
Subject: Re: SNF Piet forums?
From: ditoliberato(at)terra.com.br
Guys, SNF is already there and I can=C2=B4t fit inside myself. Me and my dad are coming, as I=C2=B4ve probably mentioned in some message before, but It=C2=B4s never too much to come and say that I=C2=B4m really looking fowar d to meet you guys. It=C2=B4ll be our first major air event (we are both doctors) and my father=C2=B4s first time to the US (yesterday I had to punch him in the stomach so he would stop laughing). Since we=C2=B4re first timers, any help fitting in is welcome. See you in the woodwork tent regards Rodrigo and Jos=C3=A9 Oliveira Brazil On Qui 8/04/10 21:49 , Jim Markle jim_markle(at)mindspring.com sent: Dang, how long WAS my vacuum-bagging forum anyway????? Maybe I stretched it out thinking everyone was as impressed with me as I was.... :-) (JUST KIDDING!!!) I would do another one on some future Brodhead trip and try to keep it shorter (not really) but I don't think I could keep a straight face for any of it.... :-) pokity, pokity, pokity....... -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Church >Sent: Apr 8, 2010 5:09 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com [3] >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? > > >You're looking to sit in a standard forum and a long one as well? I'd suggest bringing a good seat cushion - especially if it's a vacuum-bagging forum. > >(Just pulling your chain, Jim) > >Bill C. > > >I'm looking to sit in one. Ideally, I'd like to sit in two; a standard one and a long one. I'll be working in the metal shaping workshop, but I've got business to attend here and won't be arriving until Thursday morning (commercial flight into TPA late Wed). > >Jim > > > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293569#293569 [5] > > > > > > > > > > Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. Atualizado em 08/04/2010 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: my wing repair at SNF
Date: Apr 09, 2010
Hello all, One of the unforseen blessings of this all has been getting to see and experience the generosity of fellow Pietsters. Yesterday Dick N drove out of his way from MN to FL to get my wing and fin so it could be worked on by the gang at Sun N' Fun. I can't tell you what a boost that gave me. I don't know how far they'll get, if they'll do the wood, if they'll get to recover the half or what, but it is so very much appreciated. I am going to get the fuse back to the shop in the next few days, pull the engine and dig in. If I can get it here in time, looks like John will be in the area next week and wants to come down during his evenings to help out, plus I've had others offering to come on down for a work session. It was super cool what we were able to do for the Markle project, and how it is super cool to be on the receiving end for mine. Thanks all! Cheers, Douwe ps. I might have a new name for her... "RE-PIET"... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 09, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: my wing repair at SNF
Just when I was wondering what I was going to do for 3 or 4 days at Sun-N-Fun! Now I have a mission! Ben Charvet NX866BC On 4/9/2010 7:32 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" > > Hello all, > > One of the unforseen blessings of this all has been getting to see and > experience the generosity of fellow Pietsters. > > Yesterday Dick N drove out of his way from MN to FL to get my wing and fin > so it could be worked on by the gang at Sun N' Fun. > > I can't tell you what a boost that gave me. I don't know how far they'll > get, if they'll do the wood, if they'll get to recover the half or what, but > it is so very much appreciated. > > I am going to get the fuse back to the shop in the next few days, pull the > engine and dig in. If I can get it here in time, looks like John will be in > the area next week and wants to come down during his evenings to help out, > plus I've had others offering to come on down for a work session. > > It was super cool what we were able to do for the Markle project, and how it > is super cool to be on the receiving end for mine. > > Thanks all! > > Cheers, > > Douwe > > ps. I might have a new name for her... "RE-PIET"... > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 09, 2010
From: Stu Brown <stu_brown(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Obfuscatory perambulationObfuscatory perambulation
This was done in 1-take. The actor was goofing around. His job was making a film for Allison transmissions for presentation to GM. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 09, 2010
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: SNF Piet forums?
I never saw the point in vacuum-bagging. To my knowledge, none of my vacuums over the years have ever needed bagging, so I've never bothered sitting in any of the forums, long or short. Am I missing something? Jim -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> >Sent: Apr 8, 2010 8:49 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? > > >Dang, how long WAS my vacuum-bagging forum anyway????? Maybe I stretched it out thinking everyone was as impressed with me as I was.... :-) (JUST KIDDING!!!) > >I would do another one on some future Brodhead trip and try to keep it shorter (not really) but I don't think I could keep a straight face for any of it.... :-) > >pokity, pokity, pokity....... > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> >>Sent: Apr 8, 2010 5:09 PM >>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? >> >> >>You're looking to sit in a standard forum and a long one as well? I'd suggest bringing a good seat cushion - especially if it's a vacuum-bagging forum. >> >>(Just pulling your chain, Jim) >> >>Bill C. >> >> >>I'm looking to sit in one. Ideally, I'd like to sit in two; a standard one and a long one. I'll be working in the metal shaping workshop, but I've got business to attend here and won't be arriving until Thursday morning (commercial flight into TPA late Wed). >> >>Jim >> >> >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293569#293569 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 09, 2010
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: SNF Piet forums?
Ben - Thanks - I seriously look forward to it, and I'll try to hunt you down. My cel # is (603) 991-4993, but I can't hear it half the time in the workshop. It would probably be easiest to wander over to the metal shaping tent sometime starting Thursday morning and look for the longest beard. Jim -----Original Message----- >From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> >Sent: Apr 8, 2010 7:29 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF Piet forums? > > >I have a long one...(I hope your are talking about the fuselage). >Hopefully we can meet up and you can climb in and see how it fits. My >cell # is 321-961-5117. > >Ben > >On 4/8/2010 6:46 PM, Jim Ash wrote: >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash >> >> I'm looking to sit in one. Ideally, I'd like to sit in two; a standard one and a long one. I'll be working in the metal shaping workshop, but I've got business to attend here and won't be arriving until Thursday morning (commercial flight into TPA late Wed). >> >> Jim >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Ben Charvet<bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> >>> Sent: Apr 8, 2010 1:03 PM >>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF Piet forums? >>> >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet >>> >>> I don't remember ever seeing a formal Pietenpol forum at Sun-N-Fun. >>> Lots of Pietenpol folks hang out at the woodworking shop though. Looks >>> like there may be 4 Pietenpols there. Right now I'm hoping to fly in on >>> Wed and stay through Sat AM. >>> >>> Ben CHarvet >>> NX866BC >>> 22.3 hours into Phase 1, hoping for good weather this weekend >>> >>> On 4/8/2010 9:00 AM, Jim Ash wrote: >>> >>>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash >>>> >>>> >>>> Does anybody have a line on the SNF forum schedule and when the Piet forum(s) is/are? >>>> >>>> Jim Ash >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 09, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: SNF Piet forums?
We live in the country...so our vacuum NEVER has a chance to be kept in a bag! In fact, it never even gets "put away".... And after digging a 600' trench in my front yard last week...well, you think maybe some dirt got tracked in???? :-) What a blessing to have a patient loving wife..... jm -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> >Sent: Apr 9, 2010 7:15 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? > > >I never saw the point in vacuum-bagging. To my knowledge, none of my vacuums over the years have ever needed bagging, so I've never bothered sitting in any of the forums, long or short. Am I missing something? > >Jim > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> >>Sent: Apr 8, 2010 8:49 PM >>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? >> >> >>Dang, how long WAS my vacuum-bagging forum anyway????? Maybe I stretched it out thinking everyone was as impressed with me as I was.... :-) (JUST KIDDING!!!) >> >>I would do another one on some future Brodhead trip and try to keep it shorter (not really) but I don't think I could keep a straight face for any of it.... :-) >> >>pokity, pokity, pokity....... >> >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> >>>Sent: Apr 8, 2010 5:09 PM >>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? >>> >>> >>>You're looking to sit in a standard forum and a long one as well? I'd suggest bringing a good seat cushion - especially if it's a vacuum-bagging forum. >>> >>>(Just pulling your chain, Jim) >>> >>>Bill C. >>> >>> >>>I'm looking to sit in one. Ideally, I'd like to sit in two; a standard one and a long one. I'll be working in the metal shaping workshop, but I've got business to attend here and won't be arriving until Thursday morning (commercial flight into TPA late Wed). >>> >>>Jim >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Read this topic online here: >>> >>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293569#293569 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: my wing repair at SNF
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 09, 2010
"A fellow lover of the blue may be in trouble" John ------Original Message------ From: Douwe Blumberg Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Subject: Pietenpol-List: my wing repair at SNF Sent: Apr 9, 2010 7:32 AM Hello all, One of the unforseen blessings of this all has been getting to see and experience the generosity of fellow Pietsters. Yesterday Dick N drove out of his way from MN to FL to get my wing and fin so it could be worked on by the gang at Sun N' Fun. I can't tell you what a boost that gave me. I don't know how far they'll get, if they'll do the wood, if they'll get to recover the half or what, but it is so very much appreciated. I am going to get the fuse back to the shop in the next few days, pull the engine and dig in. If I can get it here in time, looks like John will be in the area next week and wants to come down during his evenings to help out, plus I've had others offering to come on down for a work session. It was super cool what we were able to do for the Markle project, and how it is super cool to be on the receiving end for mine. Thanks all! Cheers, Douwe ps. I might have a new name for her... "RE-PIET"... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: simple mixing of T-88
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 09, 2010
Oh no here at mickey Ds and gonna Markle some of the plastic coffee stirrers to mix and apply my epoxy. Oh no I feel the Markle over taking me as I am unavoidably compelled. Must Markle stirrers, must markle,must markel, mmmmmuuuuuusssssssttttt mmmmmaaaaaarrrrkkkkllllenoooow......... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 12:00:39 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: simple mixing of T-88 [quote="aadamson1(at)centurytel.n"]Hey guys, With all due respect to everyones suggestions for mixing T-88. The simplest thing to do isgo to Fleet-Farm (or another farm supply store) and buy the largest syringes available. I buy 30cm size. Pour part A in one syringe and part B in a second syringe. They are marked in cms so mixing is accurate, are easy to use, are inexpensive and readily available. Thats the only way Id mix T-88. Arden Adamson New London, WI > [b] I saw my fellow EAA'r last night and asked him what he had used. He is building Hatz classic wings. He is frugal, methodical and smart. He buys buys double barrel syringes from McMastars-Carr (on line) along with mixing tips, and cleans them by soaking them in a closed container of MEK. Said he is able to get multiple uses out of the syringes and tips. I use white vinegar for T-88 clean up but I don't know if it would clean it out of a syringe. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293534#293534 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 09, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: my wing repair at SNF
Dear All, This group of people never ceases to impress me. I count myself lucky to know you, if only through email and IM messages. The sun is shining, the birds are singing, and Douwe's getting a repaired wing. Ain't life grand! Cheers! Dan On 04/09/2010 06:32 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" > > Hello all, > > One of the unforseen blessings of this all has been getting to see and > experience the generosity of fellow Pietsters. > > Yesterday Dick N drove out of his way from MN to FL to get my wing and fin > so it could be worked on by the gang at Sun N' Fun. > > I can't tell you what a boost that gave me. I don't know how far they'll > get, if they'll do the wood, if they'll get to recover the half or what, but > it is so very much appreciated. > > I am going to get the fuse back to the shop in the next few days, pull the > engine and dig in. If I can get it here in time, looks like John will be in > the area next week and wants to come down during his evenings to help out, > plus I've had others offering to come on down for a work session. > > It was super cool what we were able to do for the Markle project, and how it > is super cool to be on the receiving end for mine. > > Thanks all! > > Cheers, > > Douwe > > ps. I might have a new name for her... "RE-PIET"... -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 09, 2010
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: my wing repair at SNF
I'm hoping to get across the way and participate in some of the un-carnage on Douwe's wing. Jim -----Original Message----- >From: John Recine <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> >Sent: Apr 9, 2010 10:03 AM >To: Pietenpol builders Board >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my wing repair at SNF > > >"A fellow lover of the blue may be in trouble" > >John >------Original Message------ >From: Douwe Blumberg >Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >To: Pietenpol builders Board >ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board >Subject: Pietenpol-List: my wing repair at SNF >Sent: Apr 9, 2010 7:32 AM > > >Hello all, > >One of the unforseen blessings of this all has been getting to see and >experience the generosity of fellow Pietsters. > >Yesterday Dick N drove out of his way from MN to FL to get my wing and fin >so it could be worked on by the gang at Sun N' Fun. > >I can't tell you what a boost that gave me. I don't know how far they'll >get, if they'll do the wood, if they'll get to recover the half or what, but >it is so very much appreciated. > >I am going to get the fuse back to the shop in the next few days, pull the >engine and dig in. If I can get it here in time, looks like John will be in >the area next week and wants to come down during his evenings to help out, >plus I've had others offering to come on down for a work session. > >It was super cool what we were able to do for the Markle project, and how it >is super cool to be on the receiving end for mine. > >Thanks all! > >Cheers, > >Douwe > >ps. I might have a new name for her... "RE-PIET"... > > >Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: my wing repair at SNF
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 09, 2010
Its just April now and Brodhead is still several weeks away to get her up in the air, it can happen. We have accomplished more than that in less time than that. We can do anything we decide to do John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 10:27:43 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my wing repair at SNF I'm hoping to get across the way and participate in some of the un-carnage on Douwe's wing. Jim -----Original Message----- >From: John Recine <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> >Sent: Apr 9, 2010 10:03 AM >To: Pietenpol builders Board >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my wing repair at SNF > > >"A fellow lover of the blue may be in trouble" > >John >------Original Message------ >From: Douwe Blumberg >Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >To: Pietenpol builders Board >ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board >Subject: Pietenpol-List: my wing repair at SNF >Sent: Apr 9, 2010 7:32 AM > > >Hello all, > >One of the unforseen blessings of this all has been getting to see and >experience the generosity of fellow Pietsters. > >Yesterday Dick N drove out of his way from MN to FL to get my wing and fin >so it could be worked on by the gang at Sun N' Fun. > >I can't tell you what a boost that gave me. I don't know how far they'll >get, if they'll do the wood, if they'll get to recover the half or what, but >it is so very much appreciated. > >I am going to get the fuse back to the shop in the next few days, pull the >engine and dig in. If I can get it here in time, looks like John will be in >the area next week and wants to come down during his evenings to help out, >plus I've had others offering to come on down for a work session. > >It was super cool what we were able to do for the Markle project, and how it >is super cool to be on the receiving end for mine. > >Thanks all! > >Cheers, > >Douwe > >ps. I might have a new name for her... "RE-PIET"... > > >Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Subject: my wing repair at SNF
Date: Apr 09, 2010
I like the new name "RE-Piet" Douwe Brian SLC-UT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Recine Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 8:03 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my wing repair at SNF "A fellow lover of the blue may be in trouble" John ------Original Message------ From: Douwe Blumberg Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Subject: Pietenpol-List: my wing repair at SNF Sent: Apr 9, 2010 7:32 AM Hello all, One of the unforseen blessings of this all has been getting to see and experience the generosity of fellow Pietsters. Yesterday Dick N drove out of his way from MN to FL to get my wing and fin so it could be worked on by the gang at Sun N' Fun. I can't tell you what a boost that gave me. I don't know how far they'll get, if they'll do the wood, if they'll get to recover the half or what, but it is so very much appreciated. I am going to get the fuse back to the shop in the next few days, pull the engine and dig in. If I can get it here in time, looks like John will be in the area next week and wants to come down during his evenings to help out, plus I've had others offering to come on down for a work session. It was super cool what we were able to do for the Markle project, and how it is super cool to be on the receiving end for mine. Thanks all! Cheers, Douwe ps. I might have a new name for her... "RE-PIET"... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Subject: Stromberg carb
Date: Apr 09, 2010
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From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stromberg carb
Date: Apr 09, 2010
Either should be configurable for a Corvair. Ryan Sent from my iPhone On Apr 9, 2010, at 11:19 AM, brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com wrote: > > > Group, > > I have been watching a few ads for a Stromberg carb for my > =9A=C3=84=C3=BAcrank snapin=9A=C3=84=C3=B9 Corvair. Which would be the preferred carb > the NA-S3A or the NA-S3B or does it not make a difference? > > > Brian > > SLC-UT > > =C2=B6=88=91=C3=B5~=C3=A2=C3=8C=89=A4,=EF=AC=81=C5=B8 %=C2=A2=CE=A94=9DM4}=C3=9F=1Er=C3=A3=C2=B4=C3=A2=C3=8D=C3=81{=07( =88=AB=88=8F=C3=BB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ALAN LYSCARS" <alyscars(at)myfairpoint.net>
Subject: Re: Stromberg carb
Date: Apr 09, 2010
Brian, These carbs- the 3a and 3b- are functionally identical. The "3a" has a functional mixture control, while the "3b" does not. The mixture control on the 3a has no effect for us Corvair users operating below 8,000 feet MSL. The control does not work as an idle-cutoff as one might expect. Rather, it can be used for leaning the burn at cruise, but is only effective at high elevations. Most if not all 3a's had their mixture wired in the "full rich" position when attached to C65's or C85's. Hope this helps. Al Lyscars Manchester, NH ----- Original Message ----- From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 12:19 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg carb Group, I have been watching a few ads for a Stromberg carb for my =9Ccrank snapin=9D Corvair. Which would be the preferred carb the NA-S3A or the NA-S3B or does it not make a difference? Brian SLC-UT =EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD,=DE=AE=E9=A2=A2=EF =BD=EF=BD ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 09, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: simple mixing of T-88
He is Marvelous isn't he!I shall call him Marvelous Markle from now on.=0Ad o not arcive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: John Re cine =0ATo: Pietenpol builders Board =0ASent: Fri, April 9, 2010 10:16:05 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol "John Recine" =0A=0AOh no here at mickey Ds and gonna M arkle some of the plastic coffee stirrers to mix and apply my epoxy.=C2- =0A=0AOh no I feel the Markle over taking me as I am unavoidably compelled. =0A=0AMust Markle stirrers, must markle,must markel, mmmmmuuuuuusssssssttt tt mmmmmaaaaaarrrrkkkkllllenoooow.........=0ASent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon @frontiernet.net>=0ADate: Thu,=C2- 8 Apr 2010 12:00:39 =0ATo: =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: simple mixing of T-88=0A et.net>=0A=0A[quote="aadamson1(at)centurytel.n"]Hey guys,=C2- =0A=C2- =0AWith all due respect to everyone=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s suggestions f or mixing T-88.=C2- The simplest thing to do is=C3=A2=82=AC=9Dgo to Fleet-Farm (or another farm supply store) and buy the largest syringes available.=C2- I buy 30cm size.=C2- Pour part A in one syringe and part B in a second syringe.=C2- They are marked=C2- in cm=C3=A2=82=AC =84=A2s so mixing is accurate, are easy to use, are inexpensive and readily available.=C2- That=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s the only way I=C3=A2=82 =AC=84=A2d mix T-88.=C2- =0A=C2- =0AArden Adamson=C2- =0ANew Londo n, WI=C2- =0A=C2- =0A=C2- =C2- =C2- =0A> [b]=0A=0A=0AI saw my fel low EAA'r last night and asked him what he had used.=C2- He is building H atz classic wings.=C2- He is frugal, methodical and smart.=C2- He buys buys double barrel syringes from McMastars-Carr (on line) along with mixing tips, and cleans them by soaking them in a closed container of MEK.=C2- Said he is able to get multiple uses out of the syringes and tips.=0A=0AI u se white vinegar for T-88 clean up but I don't know if it would clean it ou t of a syringe.=0A=0AJon Coxwell=0A=0A--------=0AJon Coxwell=C2- =0AGN-1 Builder=0ARecycle and preserve the planet=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onl ine here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293534#293534 ==C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum -=0A - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- - ============= ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 09, 2010
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: SNF Piet forums?
You putting in a seaplane runway? -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> >Sent: Apr 9, 2010 9:39 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? > > >We live in the country...so our vacuum NEVER has a chance to be kept in a bag! In fact, it never even gets "put away".... > >And after digging a 600' trench in my front yard last week...well, you think maybe some dirt got tracked in???? :-) What a blessing to have a patient loving wife..... > >jm > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> >>Sent: Apr 9, 2010 7:15 AM >>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? >> >> >>I never saw the point in vacuum-bagging. To my knowledge, none of my vacuums over the years have ever needed bagging, so I've never bothered sitting in any of the forums, long or short. Am I missing something? >> >>Jim >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> >>>Sent: Apr 8, 2010 8:49 PM >>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? >>> >>> >>>Dang, how long WAS my vacuum-bagging forum anyway????? Maybe I stretched it out thinking everyone was as impressed with me as I was.... :-) (JUST KIDDING!!!) >>> >>>I would do another one on some future Brodhead trip and try to keep it shorter (not really) but I don't think I could keep a straight face for any of it.... :-) >>> >>>pokity, pokity, pokity....... >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> >>>>Sent: Apr 8, 2010 5:09 PM >>>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? >>>> >>>> >>>>You're looking to sit in a standard forum and a long one as well? I'd suggest bringing a good seat cushion - especially if it's a vacuum-bagging forum. >>>> >>>>(Just pulling your chain, Jim) >>>> >>>>Bill C. >>>> >>>> >>>>I'm looking to sit in one. Ideally, I'd like to sit in two; a standard one and a long one. I'll be working in the metal shaping workshop, but I've got business to attend here and won't be arriving until Thursday morning (commercial flight into TPA late Wed). >>>> >>>>Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293569#293569 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Douwe's piet...:(
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 10, 2010
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Date: Apr 10, 2010
From: <r.r.hall(at)cox.net>
Subject: special note about T-88
I usually use Gill, Drams and minims when I measure mine. :-) Rodney Hall with that wacky English system used in the USA ---- Steve Glass wrote: > Is it still 50/50 if you use the metric system?=C2- or do you have to c onvert it to cubits and work backwards? Steve in Maine > From: michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 11:57:15 -0500 > Subject: Pietenpol-List: special note about T-88 > rospace Corporation]" > > I have heard that you should NEVER mix T-88 during a full moon or > or if your dog is in heat. > > Otherwise, you just mix them 50/50 parts per volume and that is it. > > Wow-- I'm getting nauseated. Where is my Milk of Magnesia ? > > Mike C. >===================== >====== > > ===================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 10, 2010
Subject: special note about T-88
From: Michael Hardaway <baiquemaique(at)gmail.com>
*This same system uses "furlongs per fortnight" to measure Piet speed. The metric system uses "centimeters per century." >From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *r.r.hall(at)cox.net *>Sent:* Saturday, April 10, 2010 7:20 AM *>To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com *>Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: special note about T-88 >I usually use Gill, Drams and minims when I measure mine. :-) >Rodney Hall with that wacky English system used in the USA >---- Steve Glass wrote: > Is it still 50/50 if you use the metric system? or do you have to convert it to cubits and work backwards? >Steve in Maine ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: special note about T-88
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: Apr 10, 2010
I've used Resorcinol on some of the laminated pieces. I measure it by weight using a beam balance scale that was confiscated from some drug dealers in Da UP, courtesy of ex-wife II who worked for the US Attorney's office. Not quite a markle considering the cost of the divorce but not bad. Yogurt cups work as mixing cups too and will stand up with an acid brush in them. Again, almost a markle. Maybe someday I'll actually make it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293768#293768 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 10, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: SNF Piet forums?
I COULD be building a seaplane runway! There are 339,000 gallons out there somewhere...well, at least according to the water company....wonder how much spruce I could have bought for what I'm being charged ($1500) for a water leak???? Hey, my Piet is nice and dry in the workshop....which is located on the highest point on our property.... :-) And the backhoe my friend loaned me got a flat tire today (which you can NOT just take to WalMart for repair)....I just gotta laugh at the little funnys" life sometimes plays on you.... jm -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> >Sent: Apr 9, 2010 9:18 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? > > >You putting in a seaplane runway? > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> >>Sent: Apr 9, 2010 9:39 AM >>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? >> >> >>We live in the country...so our vacuum NEVER has a chance to be kept in a bag! In fact, it never even gets "put away".... >> >>And after digging a 600' trench in my front yard last week...well, you think maybe some dirt got tracked in???? :-) What a blessing to have a patient loving wife..... >> >>jm >> >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> >>>Sent: Apr 9, 2010 7:15 AM >>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? >>> >>> >>>I never saw the point in vacuum-bagging. To my knowledge, none of my vacuums over the years have ever needed bagging, so I've never bothered sitting in any of the forums, long or short. Am I missing something? >>> >>>Jim >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> >>>>Sent: Apr 8, 2010 8:49 PM >>>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? >>>> >>>> >>>>Dang, how long WAS my vacuum-bagging forum anyway????? Maybe I stretched it out thinking everyone was as impressed with me as I was.... :-) (JUST KIDDING!!!) >>>> >>>>I would do another one on some future Brodhead trip and try to keep it shorter (not really) but I don't think I could keep a straight face for any of it.... :-) >>>> >>>>pokity, pokity, pokity....... >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> >>>>>Sent: Apr 8, 2010 5:09 PM >>>>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>>>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>You're looking to sit in a standard forum and a long one as well? I'd suggest bringing a good seat cushion - especially if it's a vacuum-bagging forum. >>>>> >>>>>(Just pulling your chain, Jim) >>>>> >>>>>Bill C. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I'm looking to sit in one. Ideally, I'd like to sit in two; a standard one and a long one. I'll be working in the metal shaping workshop, but I've got business to attend here and won't be arriving until Thursday morning (commercial flight into TPA late Wed). >>>>> >>>>>Jim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Read this topic online here: >>>>> >>>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293569#293569 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: SNF Piet forums?
Date: Apr 10, 2010
Put a bunch of pepper in it. That oughta fix it. :-) Or go buy fifty cans of that flat-repair stuff. It'll even blow that sucker up too! Clif > > And the backhoe my friend loaned me got a flat tire today (which you can > NOT just take to WalMart for repair)....I just gotta laugh at the little > funnys" life sometimes plays on you.... > > jm ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Can someone explain brake ratings please?
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson(at)optusnet.com.au>
Date: Apr 11, 2010
Hi...looking in to what wheel and brake combo to use. I have decided to go with the 800-6. Looking at the Matco variety on AS&S. Can someone explain the Static Load figures and the Load limit figures? What Part number are other builders using? I intend flying off a grass strip so am going for the larger tyre. Also what are the pros and cons between hydraulic and cable brakes? Sorry for what probably sounds like a mundane question but im stumped! Scotty Australia -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293818#293818 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010
Date: Apr 11, 2010
I don't know if I said this already, but if I am off for those days (won't know until mid-may) and the weather cooperates, I will be there. May bring the Travel Air or, if Frank P. needs help . . . . Gene Rambo ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Emch<mailto:EmchAir(at)aol.com> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010 > Hey Shad, I'm planning to be there. I'll probably show up Friday evening and tent it then head out late Saturday afternoon. I talked to Frank P. a few days ago. I mentioned the Fly-in to him and said he thought he could make it. He wasn't sure which Piet he'd bring, either the Model A or the Lambert, but he said he wants to come. Should be fun! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293429#293429 .matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293429#293429> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: EAA banner a bit off
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Apr 11, 2010
Well, sometimes those "graphics wiz"es have perfectly good reasons for flipping the images. In this case, it seems pretty obvious. If you look closely at your "correct" version, you'll see that all the words are backwards. I can't even read that thing. :) Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293837#293837 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com>
Subject: Re: Can someone explain brake ratings please?
Date: Apr 11, 2010
I've operated my Cessna 180 for decades with 6:00-6 tires, frequently off of grass strips. Even a beach one day, and often at gross weight (2,550 pounds). I've landed off-airport on a mesa a few times as well, keeping a keen lookout for prairie dog hills. No problem. For an alternate opinion, see this: http://www.bentpropproductions.com/ Go for the hydraulic breaks. If they are sized right, they'll give you smooth, solid braking with minimal maintenance. Static load is the load on the tire while the plane is standing still on the ground. Limit load is the maximum load encountered during a landing. David Paule > > > Hi...looking in to what wheel and brake combo to use. I have decided to go > with the 800-6. Looking at the Matco variety on AS&S. Can someone explain > the Static Load figures and the Load limit figures? What Part number are > other builders using? I intend flying off a grass strip so am going for > the larger tyre. Also what are the pros and cons between hydraulic and > cable brakes? > > Sorry for what probably sounds like a mundane question but im stumped! > > Scotty > Australia ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 11, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Sun-N-Fun
Well, the weather isn't exactly cooperating. I still need 1.5 more hours to fly off my Phase 1. The winds haven't been exactly cooperating, and its just not much fun when its too windy. The last 2 times I flew I really was getting bounced around at altitude. I flew a while on Friday afternoon, and it was blowing 3 kts right down the paved runway (33) when I took off. A little over an hour later it was blowing 080 at 10 gusting to 15. I was able to put it down on the grass runway 04 with only a slight ballooning on flare. I'm taking my wife for a few nights in a condo at the beach to make up for leaving her for 3 or 4 days while I'm at Sun-N-Fun. If the weather is acceptable on Tuesday, I should be able to fly over on Wed. AM, otherwise I'll just drive. I really don't want to miss out on the wing repair forum. Hope to see some of you there, even if my Piet doesn't make the trip. As my wife frequently says "Its really tough to be Ben Charvet" Ben Charvet NX866BC 23.5 hours on the Hobbs ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "G & R Hewitt" <grhewitt(at)globaldial.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/11/10
Date: Apr 12, 2010
What sort of Elevator travel in Degrees are most of you achieving, am getting 25 up & 29 down Thanks Graham ----- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Can someone explain brake ratings please?
Date: Apr 12, 2010
As with David's experience, so with mine. NX41CC has 6.00x6 on the main gear, with hydraulic brakes straight off an older Cessna 172. I operate off of grass whenever possible and I love the way the Piet flies off of grass with this setup. I know that the people who have motorcycle-type wheels have things a little bit different than we who have fat tires and spring or bungee gear, but they both have their pros and cons. I prefer the slightly larger and fatter tires for appearance as well. The smaller ones seem to be out of scale for the airplane. The brakes on the airplane work very well in all conditions, readily hold the airplane during static runup, but are not overpowering for the 1080 lb. gross weight. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Can someone explain brake ratings please?
Date: Apr 12, 2010
I also have Cleveland brakes off (I believe) a 172, but I have 21" motorcycle rims. I use the Matco MC-4 master cylinders, which have a piston diameter of .625". I believe 6.00 x 6 Cleveland brakes have a 2" diameter piston (don't remember exactly), which would mean a 50 lb push on the master cylinder would generate a hydraulic presure of 50 /( p(.625)2/4) = 163 psi. When this pressure is applied to the brake caliper, it generates a force of 163 x (p(22/4)) or 512 lbs, so you get about a 10:1 advantage. With the tall wheels, I find my brakes are adequate for stopping and to hold it for a runup, but they can't hold it against full power. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 10:51 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain brake ratings please? As with David's experience, so with mine. NX41CC has 6.00x6 on the main gear, with hydraulic brakes straight off an older Cessna 172. I operate off of grass whenever possible and I love the way the Piet flies off of grass with this setup. I know that the people who have motorcycle-type wheels have things a little bit different than we who have fat tires and spring or bungee gear, but they both have their pros and cons. I prefer the slightly larger and fatter tires for appearance as well. The smaller ones seem to be out of scale for the airplane. The brakes on the airplane work very well in all conditions, readily hold the airplane during static runup, but are not overpowering for the 1080 lb. gross weight. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 12, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
Oscar (or Corky), Where'd you get your shoulder harness for 41CC? Specifically, I'm interested in that quick-connect clip attachment that you connect to the disk on your cross-braces. ACS has these Y-harnesses, but they don't have this clip... Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 12, 2010
From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Sun-N-Fun
Good Luck on getting your Piet over to Sun-N-Fun. The two Big Piets got the re Saturday afternoon. They should be there thru Thusesday depending on wea rther., which looks good. Hope you can make it.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________ ___________________=0AFrom: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>=0ATo: Piet enpol list =0ASent: Sun, April 11, 2010 1:06: 43 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet =0A=0AWell, the weather isn' t exactly cooperating.- I still need 1.5 more hours to fly off my Phase 1 .- The winds haven't been exactly cooperating, and its just not much fun when its too windy. The last 2 times I flew I really was getting bounced ar ound at altitude.- I flew a while on Friday afternoon, and it was blowing 3 kts right down the paved runway (33) when I took off.- A little over a n hour later it was blowing 080 at 10 gusting to 15.- I was able to put i t down on the grass runway 04 with only a slight ballooning on flare.- I' m taking my wife for a few nights in a condo at the beach to make up for le aving her for 3 or 4 days while I'm at Sun-N-Fun.- If the weather is acce ptable on Tuesday, I should be able to fly over on Wed. AM, otherwise I'll just drive.- I really don't want to miss out on the wing repair forum.- Hope to see some of you there, even if my Piet doesn't make the trip.=0A =0AAs my wife frequently says "Its really tough to be Ben Charvet"=0A=0ABen - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L ======= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Subject: Stromberg carb
Date: Apr 12, 2010
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Date: Apr 12, 2010
Subject: Re: Stromberg carb
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
There are varying claims out there as to the effectiveness of the Stromberg mixture, but it generally seems to boil down to the fact that it doesn't quite function like "normal" mixture controls that you may be accustomed to , and that it's effects occur more gradually. You might consider spending the extra money to get a Marvel Schebler MA3-SPA, if you plan on frequent manipulation of the mixture. It should hav e a more "positive" mixture control, and you get the added benefit of having an idle/cut off. You also save on the cost/time of purchasing and installin g a primer, due to the Marvel having an accelerator pump. With that savings i t doesn't end up being that much more expensive than the Stromberg.... Ryan On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:32 PM, <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote: > Thanks for your replies. Then I guess the 3a would be better for my > altitude, field elev. Is 4470. > > > Brian > > SLC-UT > > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *ALAN LYSCARS > *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 12:08 PM > > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg carb > > > Brian, > > > These carbs- the 3a and 3b- are functionally identical. The "3a" has a > functional mixture control, while the "3b" does not. > > > The mixture control on the 3a has no effect for us Corvair users operatin g > below 8,000 feet MSL. The control does not work as an idle-cutoff as one > might expect. Rather, it can be used for leaning the burn at cruise, but is > only effective at high elevations. > > > Most if not all 3a's had their mixture wired in the "full rich" position > when attached to C65's or C85's. > > > Hope this helps. > > > Al Lyscars > > Manchester, NH > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com > > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 12:19 PM > > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Stromberg carb > > > Group, > > I have been watching a few ads for a Stromberg carb for my =9Ccrank snapin=9D > Corvair. Which would be the preferred carb the NA-S3A or the NA-S3B or do es > it not make a difference? > > > Brian > > SLC-UT > > =EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD,=DE=AE=E9=A2=A2 =EF=BD=EF=BD > > * * > > * * > ============* > > ============* > > ============* > > ============* > > * * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/11/10
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Apr 12, 2010
I checked into this a while back both in the archives on this forum and in correspondence to the Brodhead Pietenpol Assoc. What I found is recommended up elevator is 20 deg. and down elev. is 20 deg. to max of 30 deg. IE 20 up and 30 down. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294020#294020 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Can someone explain brake ratings please?
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson(at)optusnet.com.au>
Date: Apr 13, 2010
Thank you all for your replies. I am looking at the Matco W60 setup from AS&S. These are the specs. Does this look reasonable? Regards Scotty MATCO mfg produces a superior 6 inch wheel and brake assembly for use with aircraft requiring less than 1420 lbs per wheel. This model uses 1.25 inch TAPER/ROLL bearings. (Check the product comparison table for other bearing and caliper configurations). Dimensions The W60 is a 6 inch wheel with 4.375 inch width with an additional 1.23 inch caliper spacing. Bearing spacing is 2.5 inches and axle spacing is 1.25 inches. The total weight of this wheel and brake assembly is 7.1 pounds. The bearing axle diameter is 1.25 inches. Performance The W60 is designed for the following standards: Static Capacity: 1420 LBS Load Limit: 4260 LBS Maximum Accelerate/Stop Kinetic Energy: 189604 ft-lb Torque Rating (@450 PSI)[/b] -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294049#294049 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "G & R Hewitt" <grhewitt(at)globaldial.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 04/12/10
Date: Apr 13, 2010
Have found Front seat belts from Vans RV4 to be good value P/N SBH-TT4F, email me for a pic of these Regards Graham about to glue on Fuse sides at last!! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 13, 2010
Subject: A-65 for sale: price reduced to $2500
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Good morning, We still have a Continental A-65 for sale. The asking price has been reduced to $2500. The engine has logs back to day one (6-11-46), with 1505TT, and 709SMOH (majored in '57). It was removed from the J-3 in 2002. The engine is complete, except for the carb and magneto harnesses. Here is a pic: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/IMG_1200resize.jpg That's how it sits right now, in the shipping crate and ready to go. The mags are in the box in the image, they are Bendix mags. Again, we are asking $2,500 for it...please let me know if you might be interested. Thanks, Ryan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: brake holding power
Date: Apr 13, 2010
Jack wrote: >I have 21" motorcycle rims. >With the tall wheels, I find my brakes are adequate >for stopping and to hold it for a runup, but they can't >hold it against full power. Right. The typical 6.00x6 tire is going to have an outside diameter of about 17" (except for Mike Cuy's, since he inflates his tires by the worm's-eye-view eyeball method rather than a tire inflation gauge ;o) and the outside diameter of a motorcycle tire on a 21" rim is going to be about 26". Torque being proportional to the distance from the point of application of the force, for any given forward thrust, the motorcycle wheel/tire setup with the same Clevelands as the 6.00x6s will require roughly 1.5 times the braking power to hold (13/8.5 = 1.53). Correct my math??? Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
Date: Apr 13, 2010
Dan: I have no idea where Corky got the shoulder harness/seat belts that are on 41CC but perhaps he'll remember the source and reply to this email. It is very handy to be able to unsnap the harness for the front cockpit and stow it when flying solo (which is most of the time) because the belts do get in the way of the pilot's feet and rudder bar. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 13, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: A-65 for sale: price reduced to $2500
And if someone "generally close" to a route between Chicago and Tulsa buys it....free shipping/delivery might be be arranged around mid May! JM -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Mueller Sent: Apr 13, 2010 4:55 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 for sale: price reduced to $2500 Good morning, We still have a Continental A-65 for sale. The asking price has been reduced to $2500. The engine has logs back to day one (6-11-46), with 1505TT, and 709SMOH (majored in '57). It was removed from the J-3 in 2002. The engine is complete, except for the carb and magneto harnesses. Here is a pic: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/IMG_1200resize.jpg That's how it sits right now, in the shipping crate and ready to go. The mags are in the box in the image, they are Bendix mags. Again, we are asking $2,500 for it...please let me know if you might be interested. Thanks, Ryan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 13, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
Oscar, Thanks for the reply. I think I found some. Whilst doing some light bedtime reading I found what looks like the same sort of connector in the print version of the Wag-Aero catalog. Temps are nice, winds are light, and I might take a half-day of vacation today and fly up there to see if they have any in stock on the shelves. Cheers, Dan On 04/13/2010 08:06 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga > > > Dan: > > I have no idea where Corky got the shoulder > harness/seat belts that are on 41CC but perhaps > he'll remember the source and reply to this email. > > It is very handy to be able to unsnap the harness > for the front cockpit and stow it when flying solo > (which is most of the time) because the belts do > get in the way of the pilot's feet and rudder bar. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: It was Markle-esk!
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: Apr 13, 2010
After a 5 hour drive to my work destination, I took another hour detour to meet up with Mike Groah and his father, Vic. They have an enviable building partnership, with real respect for each other's abilities, and a great workshop to house all their projects. Vic is a noted antique car restorer, with a show room to prove it! Obviously, their workmanship is extraordinary, incorporating some of Vic's unique skills. Of special note, to Corvair users, was a simple, rear mounted alternator! Most will recall Mike's recent post of his cowling progress. Sorry, I left my laptop home this trip, so will have to post pics later this week. I'm hoping they don't notice the missing 3' bending brake...it was a challenge getting it under my coat.... Gary Boothe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com>
Subject: Re: brake holding power
Date: Apr 13, 2010
More torque, right on that one, and the same kinetic energy to dissipate. That's another criteria to know. To find the kinetic energy in foot-pounds, multiply the weight in pounds times the landing speed, in mph, squared by .01671. That gives the kinetic energy per wheel. For example, a 1,320 lb LSA landing at 40 mph would have to get rid of about 35,300 foot pounds per wheel. Of course some of that goes into ground friction, some into air drag, it's not all into the brakes. David Paule The typical 6.00x6 tire is going to have an outside diameter of about 17" (except for Mike Cuy's, since he inflates his tires by the worm's-eye-view eyeball method rather than a tire inflation gauge ;o) and the outside diameter of a motorcycle tire on a 21" rim is going to be about 26". Torque being proportional to the distance from the point of application of the force, for any given forward thrust, the motorcycle wheel/tire setup with the same Clevelands as the 6.00x6s will require roughly 1.5 times the braking power to hold (13/8.5 = 1.53). Correct my math??? Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 13, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: It was Markle-esk!
Contact me off list and I'll send you my "How to visit friends AND increase your workshop inventory" booklet. Actually, most of these guys are just too sharp for that...now Recine on the other hand....when you're visiting him...just look out the shop window and say "hey, a yellow bus!!"..he'll be distracted long enough for you to load up.... -----Original Message----- >From: Twistedthreadsraleigh(at)yahoogroups.com >Sent: Apr 13, 2010 8:13 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: It was Markle-esk! > > >After a 5 hour drive to my work destination, I took another hour detour to meet up with Mike Groah and his father, Vic. They have an enviable building partnership, with real respect for each other's abilities, and a great workshop to house all their projects. Vic is a noted antique car restorer, with a show room to prove it! > >Obviously, their workmanship is extraordinary, incorporating some of Vic's unique skills. Of special note, to Corvair users, was a simple, rear mounted alternator! Most will recall Mike's recent post of his cowling progress. > >Sorry, I left my laptop home this trip, so will have to post pics later this week. I'm hoping they don't notice the missing 3' bending brake...it was a challenge getting it under my coat.... > >Gary Boothe >Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: GN-1 brace wires
From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 13, 2010
Do any of you GN-1 builders have a good picture of the drag/anti-drag cable ends that fit between the wing struts? I think it would be nice to see how others have done theirs.I'm at the point of finishing up the wing struts now and almost ready to hang my wings for final fitting and making the cables up. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294087#294087 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 13, 2010
Subject: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
Dan, Contact Joe Czaplicki , _fishin3(at)sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:fishin3(at)sbcglobal.net) for information on the seat belts and harnesses on 41CC Corky ________________________________________________________________________________
From: V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: It was Markle-esk!
Date: Apr 13, 2010
Gary=2C It truly was our pleasure to have you come to our our of the way pl ace. Tulare is not exactly a destination for most although hwy 99 runs thr ough the middle of town. We are so pleased to have any Piet folks come by. for those who have not met Gary He is a true gentleman and seems to be most talented. What one of us would tackle making our own prop? He gave us an idea or two without pointing out the horrors of unskilled labor evident in our build. If you are ever in our area again Gary=2C please come stop in. Vic Fo > Subject: Pietenpol-List: It was Markle-esk! > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net > Date: Tue=2C 13 Apr 2010 14:13:14 +0000 > > > After a 5 hour drive to my work destination=2C I took another hour detour to meet up with Mike Groah and his father=2C Vic. They have an enviable bu ilding partnership=2C with real respect for each other's abilities=2C and a great workshop to house all their projects. Vic is a noted antique car res torer=2C with a show room to prove it! > > Obviously=2C their workmanship is extraordinary=2C incorporating some of Vic's unique skills. Of special note=2C to Corvair users=2C was a simple=2C rear mounted alternator! Most will recall Mike's recent post of his cowlin g progress. > > Sorry=2C I left my laptop home this trip=2C so will have to post pics lat er this week. I'm hoping they don't notice the missing 3' bending brake...i t was a challenge getting it under my coat.... > > Gary Boothe > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your inbox . http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 13, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
On 04/13/2010 03:00 PM, Isablcorky(at)aol.com wrote: > Dan, > Contact Joe Czaplicki , fishin3(at)sbcglobal.net > for information on the seat belts and > harnesses on 41CC > Corky Will do! Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net>
Date: Apr 13, 2010
Looking at the pictures of Oscars plane the harness appears to be this http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/harness3b.php with this clip replacing the bolt in tab that comes on the harness http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/seatbelthardware.php the harness will work with this lap belt. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/seatbelt1a.php Cost for the complete setup, $143.50 Summit Racing has a good selection of seatbelts and harnesses for less than 70 bucks if you can use a bolt in style and dont mind the cam lock buckle. http://www.summitracing.com/search/Part-Type/Belts-and-Harnesses/?Ns=Rank|Asc -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294112#294112 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: rigging the wings
From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 13, 2010
Well as long as I'm asking questions-what has been the best results in setting up the wing as far as Dihedral and washout on the GN-1's ? I expect straight looks best but just thought I'd ask before I start setting them up. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294116#294116 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: Apr 13, 2010
I think you are right, Chris. I have that set-up in the rear cockpit, but have been frustrated to find a shoulder harness set with a shorter lead. That one is too long for the forward seat. Gary Boothe ------Original Message------ From: Chris Tracy Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC Sent: Apr 13, 2010 3:50 PM Looking at the pictures of Oscars plane the harness appears to be this http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/harness3b.php with this clip replacing the bolt in tab that comes on the harness http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/seatbelthardware.php the harness will work with this lap belt. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/seatbelt1a.php Cost for the complete setup, $143.50 Summit Racing has a good selection of seatbelts and harnesses for less than 70 bucks if you can use a bolt in style and dont mind the cam lock buckle. http://www.summitracing.com/search/Part-Type/Belts-and-Harnesses/?Ns=Rank|Asc -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294112#294112 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 13, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: rigging the wings
zero dihedral and about 1/4 inch on wash out is what I have=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_ _______________________________=0AFrom: skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo .com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, April 13, 2010 7:05:5 8 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: rigging the wings=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List m essage posted by: "skellytown flyer" =0A=0AWell as l ong as I'm asking questions-what has been the best results in setting up th e wing as far as Dihedral and washout on the GN-1's ? I expect straight loo ks best but just thought I'd ask before I start setting them up. Raymond=0A =0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/v - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L ======= ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 13, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
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Subject: It was Markle-esk!
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: Apr 13, 2010
------Original Message------ Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It was Markle-esk! Sent: Apr 13, 2010 4:53 PM Jim, No need for me to buy the book. The Groah's had a copy on their workbench and I "borrowed" it... Gary ------Original Message------ From: Jim Markle ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It was Markle-esk! Sent: Apr 13, 2010 7:59 AM Contact me off list and I'll send you my "How to visit friends AND increase your workshop inventory" booklet. Actually, most of these guys are just too sharp for that...now Recine on the other hand....when you're visiting him...just look out the shop window and say "hey, a yellow bus!!"..he'll be distracted long enough for you to load up.... -----Original Message----- >From: Twistedthreadsraleigh(at)yahoogroups.com >Sent: Apr 13, 2010 8:13 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: It was Markle-esk! > > >After a 5 hour drive to my work destination, I took another hour detour to meet up with Mike Groah and his father, Vic. They have an enviable building partnership, with real respect for each other's abilities, and a great workshop to house all their projects. Vic is a noted antique car restorer, with a show room to prove it! > >Obviously, their workmanship is extraordinary, incorporating some of Vic's unique skills. Of special note, to Corvair users, was a simple, rear mounted alternator! Most will recall Mike's recent post of his cowling progress. > >Sorry, I left my laptop home this trip, so will have to post pics later this week. I'm hoping they don't notice the missing 3' bending brake...it was a challenge getting it under my coat.... > >Gary Boothe >Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > ------Original Message Truncated------ Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 13, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Mike's April fools joke, comes true
Well Mike now you've really done it! I went out to mow the yard today put the hanger door up, got the tractor out, mowed and put the tractor back in the hanger. I started inspecting the wings, cables etc from the under side for the annual, and walked to the other side looked up and there it was. The wind was blowing in the door while I was out, and blew a scrap piece of aluminum gutter down on top of the wing. At 1st all I saw was a slight indentation that quickly smothed out, but when I looked to the side there were 2 holes in the fabric. Nothing serious, just in a spot that will catch the eye, one hole about 1/4 inch the other is about 3/4inch. I hope the paint will match half way decent, This is the second or third set of fabric patches we have had to do in 3 years. Of course it always happens in the hanger, so I don't even have any cool flying lies (stories) to tell at the officer's club over a few beers. I think last years was Dad's fault, ripped a hole while safty wiring a aileron turnbuckle. That's what I get for letting the tractors, and house supplies fratinize with the airplanes. Just Kidding ya Mikeee, It's my own dumb A$$ fault for putting heavy sharp things above the airplane. Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GN-1 brace wires
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Apr 13, 2010
I am not there yet, but would also be interested in seeing some pictures. Good to see some GN-1 post. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294131#294131 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mike's April fools joke, comes true
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: Apr 14, 2010
Sounds like bullet holes to me... Gary ------Original Message------ From: shad bell Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mike's April fools joke, comes true Sent: Apr 13, 2010 6:05 PM Well Mike now you've really done it! I went out to mow the yard today put the hanger door up, got the tractor out, mowed and put the tractor back in the hanger. I started inspecting the wings, cables etc from the under side for the annual, and walked to the other side looked up and there it was. The wind was blowing in the door while I was out, and blew a scrap piece of aluminum gutter down on top of the wing. At 1st all I saw was a slight indentation that quickly smothed out, but when I looked to the side there were 2 holes in the fabric. Nothing serious, just in a spot that will catch the eye, one hole about 1/4 inch the other is about 3/4inch. I hope the paint will match half way decent, This is the second or third set of fabric patches we have had to do in 3 years. Of course it always happens in the hanger, so I don't even have any cool flying lies (stories) to tell at the officer's club over a few beers. I think last years was Dad's fault, ripped a hole while safty wiring a aileron turnbuckle. That's what I get for letting the tractors, and house supplies fratinize with the airplanes. Just Kidding ya Mikeee, It's my own dumb A$$ fault for putting heavy sharp things above the airplane. Shad Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Obfuscatory perambulation
Date: Apr 14, 2010
Man, I have a problem getting list mail for a week and a half, and I miss out on THIS classic!! Although, I think I still prefer the Rockwell Automation version ( http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5125780462773187994# ). I looked it up on Wikipedia and was surprised to learn that what I thought were this thing's origins (a couple of MIT students who successfully demonstrated that many prestigious scientific journals would accept anything that sounded technical enough) weren't really where it came from. It actually dates back to at least the World War 2 era, and has been done by several companies... in very similar forms. It's even been in Time magazine! Check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroencabulator At the bottom are links to various versions of the video from different companies, and to the actor who apparently had a whole side career doing it. I can easily imagine Bernard Pietenpol running across this back in the day and having a good laugh. We need more Piets with retroturboencabulators! -M Mike Whaley MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
Date: Apr 14, 2010
And these; http://www.parts123.com/parts123/yb.dll?parta~partsort Clif. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC > > Looking at the pictures of Oscars plane the harness appears to be this > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/harness3b.php > > with this clip replacing the bolt in tab that comes on the harness > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/seatbelthardware.php > > the harness will work with this lap belt. > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/seatbelt1a.php > > Cost for the complete setup, $143.50 > > Summit Racing has a good selection of seatbelts and harnesses for less > than 70 bucks if you can use a bolt in style and don?Tt mind the cam lock > buckle. > > http://www.summitracing.com/search/Part-Type/Belts-and-Harnesses/?Ns=Rank|Asc > > -------- > Chris > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294112#294112 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 13:22:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: rigging the wings
From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 14, 2010
Well that sounds about like what I planned to use but it helps to know what is working. thanks.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294157#294157 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Apr 14, 2010
Clif, Linkee no workee. BC Clif wrote: And these; http://www.parts123.com/parts123/yb.dll?parta~partsort Clif. --- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294160#294160 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 14, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
That link would not open for me. I intend to copy Corky/Oscar's use of the cross-cables and a U-bolt to hook into. However, I will link a regular shoulder harness triangular endpiece with bolthole to the eyebolt by using an "emergency chain link." They may be bought at Home Depot or Tractor Supply. They are very strong and when tightened up should be very reliable. Another alternative is a real climbing carabiner of a similar threaded design. REI is a source for those. In neither case is there any reliance on a small spring to hold any part in place. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> >Sent: Apr 14, 2010 3:26 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC > > >And these; > >http://www.parts123.com/parts123/yb.dll?parta~partsort > >Clif. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> >To: >Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:50 PM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC > > >> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
Date: Apr 14, 2010
I have not seen a photo of the belts in 41CC, but I have a pair of seat belts/harnesses that I bought from Joe Czaplicki that are still in the box. If they came from him, they might be the same. They are olive drab with olive anodized airline-style buckles. The end fittings for both the lap belt and the shoulder harness are the "clip-on style" shown in the link to the AS&S catalogue someone else posted. I'd love to sell these belts to someone who can use them. I think I gave Joe $35 each for them. I can try to post a photo later tonight if anyone is interested. Gene Rambo ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com<mailto:Isablcorky(at)aol.com> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shoulder Harness on 41CC Dan, Contact Joe Czaplicki , fishin3(at)sbcglobal.net for information on the seat belts and harnesses on 41CC Corky http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: wing washout
Date: Apr 14, 2010
Never one to argue with success, I went back to the Matronics archives and searched for posts from Mike Cuy on washout. From one of his posts: >I had two IA's that couldn't have stressed proper >rigging to me more and in reading the Tony B. books >on this he too couldn't stress proper rigging enough. >Bill Klosz (WWII vet who flew B-24's and IA) helped me >rig with his digital angle finder level to make sure >everything was right including washout of about 3/8" at >the third rib in from the wing tip ala J-3's and such. >I'm glad those guys hounded me thru the rigging--it paid off. Go thou and do likewise ;o) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 14, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
What do you guys think about Bill Rewey's solution? See at http://westcoastpiet.com/new_page_3.htm ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 14, 2010
Subject: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
Gene, I need to visit your shop and check out those seat belts, oh look its Wayne Newton! Gonna markle me a set of seat belts John In a message dated 4/14/2010 9:19:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, generambo(at)msn.com writes: I have not seen a photo of the belts in 41CC, but I have a pair of seat be lts/harnesses that I bought from Joe Czaplicki that are still in the box. If they came from him, they might be the same. They are olive drab with olive anodized airline-style buckles. The end fittings for both the lap belt and the shoulder harness are the "clip-on style" shown in the link to the AS&S catalogue someone else posted. I'd love to sell these belts to someone who can use them. I think I gave Joe $35 each for them. I can try to post a photo later tonight if anyone is interested. Gene Rambo ----- Original Message ----- From: _Isablcorky(at)aol.com_ (mailto:Isablcorky(at)aol.com) Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shoulder Harness on 41CC Dan, Contact Joe Czaplicki , _fishin3(at)sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:fishin3(at)sbcglobal.net) for information on the seat belts and harnesses on 41CC Corky title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pie tenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 14, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC-- Bill Rewey Solution
Those appear to be the "emergency chain links" I was describing in my post on this subject. While I have seen Bill Rewey's plane, and had noted his cross-cable, I had forgotten his links. Thus, no invention here, proving again that it's hard to out-think Bill Rewey, or for that matter, Corky or Oscar. Here is a link to such links: http://www1.mscdirect.com/Links/Chain-Hardware/Chain,-Cable,-Rope-&-Hardware/s0002008712.HTML?KNC-T7L391316886&cm_mmc=Didit-_-SEM-_-ItmDtl-_-PypClk Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> >Sent: Apr 14, 2010 8:20 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC > > >What do you guys think about Bill Rewey's solution? See at >http://westcoastpiet.com/new_page_3.htm > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 14, 2010
Subject: Re: off topic: new words in the vernacular
Its is official now today, and according to Oscar, April 14, 2010 is officially and universally accepted as "A day that will live in infamy" Go forth and Markle, the sermon is ended. Thanks be to Oscar! John In a message dated 4/14/2010 1:02:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga Well, well. In my lifetime I've seen some interesting changes in word usage and creation, but it seems like lately new words are being created almost every week. The one I really liked, from a few years ago, was the word "plutoed". When scientists changed their mind about Pluto being an actual planet in our solar system, with the stroke of a pen they "plutoed" Pluto and the word caught some popular fancy as referring to having your rank stripped or being tossed out in the cold. So today another word has been created, right here on the Piet list: "Markled". As in lifted, pilfered, or "reassigned to a new hangar" (mine instead of yours ;o). I like it. Just ask my hangar-mate Randy Stout... I've markled his tools for years now, claiming that I can't tell the difference between his Craftsman sockets and combination wrenches and mine so I sometimes end up with his stuff in my toolbox. Never the other way around, though. He hasn't learned how to markle yet, I guess... do not archive Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 14, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: off topic: new words in the vernacular
My parents will be SO proud! :-) -----Original Message----- From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com Sent: Apr 14, 2010 12:14 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: off topic: new words in the vernacular Its is official now today, and according to Oscar, April 14, 2010 is officially and universally accepted as "A day that will live in infamy" Go forth and Markle, the sermon is ended. Thanks be to Oscar! John In a message dated 4/14/2010 1:02:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga Well, well. In my lifetime I've seen some interesting changes in word usage and creation, but it seems like lately new words are being created almost every week. The one I really liked, from a few years ago, was the word "plutoed". When scientists changed their mind about Pluto being an actual planet in our solar system, with the stroke of a pen they "plutoed" Pluto and the word caught some popular fancy as referring to having your rank stripped or being tossed out in the cold. So today another word has been created, right here on the Piet list: "Markled". As in lifted, pilfered, or "reassigned to a new hangar" (mine instead of yours ;o). I like it. Just ask my hangar-mate Randy Stout... I've markled his tools for years now, claiming that I can't tell the difference between his Craftsman sockets and combination wrenches and mine so I sometimes end up with his stuff in my toolbox. Never the other way around, though. He hasn't learned how to markle yet, I guess... do not archive Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ======================== Use the ties Day ================================================ - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ================================================ - List Contribution Web Site sp; ================================================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 14, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
Tim, You and I were on the same wavelength at about the same time, this morning. Probably because I was playing "hookie" today to go flying. The one thing that I noticed about the cross-wires on 8031 is that the point where they cross is very close to the fuselage - maybe an inch off the fuselage. Which gets me to thinking, why do the whole U-bolt thing at all? Why not just use a carabiner or locking chain link placed around the cross-brace wires? As Oscar points out, he removes the front shoulder harnesses when he's flying solo, anyway. Dan On 04/14/2010 08:04 AM, Tim Willis wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tim Willis > > That link would not open for me. > > I intend to copy Corky/Oscar's use of the cross-cables and a U-bolt to hook into. However, I will link a regular shoulder harness triangular endpiece with bolthole to the eyebolt by using an "emergency chain link." They may be bought at Home Depot or Tractor Supply. They are very strong and when tightened up should be very reliable. Another alternative is a real climbing carabiner of a similar threaded design. REI is a source for those. In neither case is there any reliance on a small spring to hold any part in place. > Tim in central TX -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mike Groah--your side door
From: "womenfly2" <keriannprice(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Apr 14, 2010
Very nice job Guy's! I am very impressed with your work and how the door came out on all your Piet's. "Keep the Dream," Keri-Ann keriannprice(at)hotmail.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294225#294225 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: off topic: new words in the vernacular
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 14, 2010
And so they should its not everyday that such a noble honor can bestowed or conveyed such a noteworthy and deserving individual. All Hail the Markle I can't wait to march in the Markle day parade. I just hope no one markles the float in honor of the occasion John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:07:57 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: off topic: new words in the vernacular My parents will be SO proud! :-) -----Original Message----- From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com Sent: Apr 14, 2010 12:14 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: off topic: new words in the vernacular Its is official now today, and according to Oscar, April 14, 2010 is officially and universally accepted as "A day that will live in infamy" Go forth and Markle, the sermon is ended. Thanks be to Oscar! John In a message dated 4/14/2010 1:02:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga Well, well. In my lifetime I've seen some interesting changes in word usage and creation, but it seems like lately new words are being created almost every week. The one I really liked, from a few years ago, was the word "plutoed". When scientists changed their mind about Pluto being an actual planet in our solar system, with the stroke of a pen they "plutoed" Pluto and the word caught some popular fancy as referring to having your rank stripped or being tossed out in the cold. So today another word has been created, right here on the Piet list: "Markled". As in lifted, pilfered, or "reassigned to a new hangar" (mine instead of yours ;o). I like it. Just ask my hangar-mate Randy Stout... I've markled his tools for years now, claiming that I can't tell the difference between his Craftsman sockets and combination wrenches and mine so I sometimes end up with his stuff in my toolbox. Never the other way around, though. He hasn't learned how to markle yet, I guess... do not archive Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ======================== Use the ties Day ================================================ - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ================================================ - List Contribution Web Site sp; ================================================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 14, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
Dan, Maybe just looping a carabiner or link might introduce CHAFING as an issue, breaking cable strands or wearing them, over time. I think Oscar's implementation works around that. I could not find a picture, though I must have one somewhere. I will describe it. Oscar has two pieces of hardwood (oak?) that make up a "sandwich" more or less the size of: -- a small hockey puck (for northerners); -- a small Moon Pie (for southerners) -- a very small cow pie (for WI, VT, TX, IA, others). The two halves of the puck/pie have matching "X's" sawn into them, so that between them, they encapsulate the cross-cables. Then the eyebolt goes fore-to-aft, bolting the sandwich halves together and creating the attachment point. Pretty slick. Oscar has added a notch for a "V" sight, to improve sighting on John Deeres, RVs and other hostile machinery. Of course, Bill Rewey's extra cable works well, too. It looks heavier gauge than the X-cables, and with some protection on it. You can inspect it and replace it without messing with any other rigging, etc. And you can take the whole thing down if you are flying solo. But then you lose the advantage of Oscar's sight picture, too. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> >Sent: Apr 14, 2010 2:49 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC > > >Tim, > >You and I were on the same wavelength at about the same time, this >morning. Probably because I was playing "hookie" today to go flying. > >The one thing that I noticed about the cross-wires on 8031 is that the >point where they cross is very close to the fuselage - maybe an inch off >the fuselage. Which gets me to thinking, why do the whole U-bolt thing >at all? Why not just use a carabiner or locking chain link placed >around the cross-brace wires? As Oscar points out, he removes the front >shoulder harnesses when he's flying solo, anyway. > >Dan > >On 04/14/2010 08:04 AM, Tim Willis wrote: >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tim Willis >> >> That link would not open for me. >> >> I intend to copy Corky/Oscar's use of the cross-cables and a U-bolt to hook into. However, I will link a regular shoulder harness triangular endpiece with bolthole to the eyebolt by using an "emergency chain link." They may be bought at Home Depot or Tractor Supply. They are very strong and when tightened up should be very reliable. Another alternative is a real climbing carabiner of a similar threaded design. REI is a source for those. In neither case is there any reliance on a small spring to hold any part in place. >> Tim in central TX > > >-- >Dan Yocum >Fermilab 630.840.6509 >yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
Date: Apr 14, 2010
Here's the homepage. http://www.crowenterprizes.com/ With these people you can buy a 3" seat belt and add a 2" shoulder harness if you so wish. Also mix and match the end link styles. Clif > Clif, > > Linkee no workee. > > BC ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 15, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: sorry Shad !
This is probably one draw back of latex paint. It comes off easy with mek, but feathering it out takes some time. Each pach we have done looks a little nicer (less noticable) than the last. Well time to go do some fabric work, the boy just went down for his nap. It makes me feel like Jack Keaton in "Mr. Mom". "220, 221 whatever it takes" Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 15, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
Tim, On 04/14/2010 07:08 PM, Tim Willis wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tim Willis > > Dan, > > Maybe just looping a carabiner or link might introduce CHAFING as an issue, breaking cable strands or wearing them, over time. I think Oscar's implementation works around that. I could not find a picture, though I must have one somewhere. > The picture you're thinking about is on this page: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/harness.html How about either a) dipping the 'biner in some liquid rubber so it doesn't rub on the cables or, and I think I like this better, b) wrapping the cables with leather such that the 'biner never touches the cables. Something like the attached diagram. > I will describe it. Oscar has two pieces of hardwood (oak?) that make up a "sandwich" more or less the size of: > > -- a small hockey puck (for northerners); > -- a small Moon Pie (for southerners) > -- a very small cow pie (for WI, VT, TX, IA, others). > > The two halves of the puck/pie have matching "X's" sawn into them, so that between them, they encapsulate the cross-cables. Then the eyebolt goes fore-to-aft, bolting the sandwich halves together and creating the attachment point. Pretty slick. Oscar has added a notch for a "V" sight, to improve sighting on John Deeres, RVs and other hostile machinery. 8031 just doesn't have the real estate for any sort of hockey-puck, like Oscar's arrangement. The only thing I can think of is maybe his cabanes are longer than mine are... Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 15, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
Dan, It seems to me that something like your approach would work. I like your sketch. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> >Sent: Apr 15, 2010 3:56 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC > >Tim, > >On 04/14/2010 07:08 PM, Tim Willis wrote: >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tim Willis >> >> Dan, >> >> Maybe just looping a carabiner or link might introduce CHAFING as an issue, breaking cable strands or wearing them, over time. I think Oscar's implementation works around that. I could not find a picture, though I must have one somewhere. >> > >The picture you're thinking about is on this page: >http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/harness.html > >How about either a) dipping the 'biner in some liquid rubber so it >doesn't rub on the cables or, and I think I like this better, b) >wrapping the cables with leather such that the 'biner never touches the >cables. Something like the attached diagram. > > >> I will describe it. Oscar has two pieces of hardwood (oak?) that make up a "sandwich" more or less the size of: >> >> -- a small hockey puck (for northerners); >> -- a small Moon Pie (for southerners) >> -- a very small cow pie (for WI, VT, TX, IA, others). >> >> The two halves of the puck/pie have matching "X's" sawn into them, so that between them, they encapsulate the cross-cables. Then the eyebolt goes fore-to-aft, bolting the sandwich halves together and creating the attachment point. Pretty slick. Oscar has added a notch for a "V" sight, to improve sighting on John Deeres, RVs and other hostile machinery. > >8031 just doesn't have the real estate for any sort of hockey-puck, like >Oscar's arrangement. The only thing I can think of is maybe his cabanes >are longer than mine are... > >Dan > >-- >Dan Yocum >Fermilab 630.840.6509 >yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
Date: Apr 15, 2010
Gene, I tried to email you off list, just wondering if you got it? Kip On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:18 AM, Gene Rambo wrote: > I have not seen a photo of the belts in 41CC, but I have a pair of > seat belts/harnesses that I bought from Joe Czaplicki that are > still in the box. If they came from him, they might be the same. > They are olive drab with olive anodized airline-style buckles. The > end fittings for both the lap belt and the shoulder harness are the > "clip-on style" shown in the link to the AS&S catalogue someone > else posted. I'd love to sell these belts to someone who can use > them. I think I gave Joe $35 each for them. I can try to post a > photo later tonight if anyone is interested. > > Gene Rambo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:00 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shoulder Harness on 41CC > > Dan, > > Contact Joe Czaplicki , fishin3(at)sbcglobal.net for information on > the seat belts and harnesses on 41CC > > Corky > > > title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http:// > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
Date: Apr 16, 2010
sorry, I have been very busy lately and have not responded to many emails. I am heading out to the school bus stop now, but I'll write later. If you want the seat belts, I'll put you on top of the list. Several people have asked. What do you need to know if you want them for sure? $70 for the pair of belts/harnesses. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Kip and Beth Gardner<mailto:kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 8:34 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shoulder Harness on 41CC Gene, I tried to email you off list, just wondering if you got it? Kip On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:18 AM, Gene Rambo wrote: I have not seen a photo of the belts in 41CC, but I have a pair of seat belts/harnesses that I bought from Joe Czaplicki that are still in the box. If they came from him, they might be the same. They are olive drab with olive anodized airline-style buckles. The end fittings for both the lap belt and the shoulder harness are the "clip-on style" shown in the link to the AS&S catalogue someone else posted. I'd love to sell these belts to someone who can use them. I think I gave Joe $35 each for them. I can try to post a photo later tonight if anyone is interested. Gene Rambo ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com<mailto:Isablcorky(at)aol.com> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shoulder Harness on 41CC Dan, Contact Joe Czaplicki , fishin3(at)sbcglobal.net for information on the seat belts and harnesses on 41CC Corky title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?P ietenpol-List<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http:/ /forums.matronics.com<http://forums.matronics.com/> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: NASA woes
Not to hop on Mr. Cuy's email, but as a NASA employee, I thank you Tom for your support. There is A L-O-T more to NASA then space and space ships. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
Date: Apr 16, 2010
Dan: yes, I believe the cabanes on 41CC are a bit taller than stock, as are most these days. I think the original intent was to make it easier to get in and out of the cockpit by raising the wing a few inches and it does help. As you've noted, if your cabanes are shorter, the brace wires will X at a point closer to the cowling than on my airplane and may not allow attaching to them. [BS warning: here it comes]- in addition to providing additional clearance for pilot and passenger entry to the cockpits, raising the wing by lengthening the cabanes gets the underside of the wing out of the disturbed airflow that comes off the tops of the windscreens and thus provides a dramatic increase in climb and cruise performance. Unfortunately, I have been unable to quantify those tremendous performance gains except to note that 41CC cruises very comfortably at 70 MPH indicated airspeed. This is a good deal higher than the older Air Campers with standard cabanes and with that ugly radiator out front, which completely kills airflow over the underside of the wing centersection. [BS detector off now]. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: from Russia with love.....
Date: Apr 16, 2010
Came across this one while perusing a Russian builders bulletin board. http://www.vulkan-avia.ru/pitenpol_design.htm also home page of the link has all the F&G manuals in PDF for download Michael in Maine ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: from Russia with love.....
Great find. Interesting CAD stuff, as well as apparently a complete drawing set. I could not make the F&G downloads work. On the CAD drawings, note that the internals of the VStab do not match the Piet blueprints. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Michael Silvius <silvius(at)gwi.net> >Sent: Apr 16, 2010 1:45 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: from Russia with love..... > > >Came across this one while perusing a Russian builders bulletin board. > >http://www.vulkan-avia.ru/pitenpol_design.htm > >also home page of the link has all the F&G manuals in PDF for download > >Michael in Maine > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: from Russia with love.....
Very cool. Thanks! - ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Paule" <dpaule(at)frii.com>
Subject: Re: from Russia with love.....
Date: Apr 16, 2010
Aren't those the plans that the Pietenpol family sells? If so, then this is a rip-off. David Paule > > Came across this one while perusing a Russian builders bulletin board. > > http://www.vulkan-avia.ru/pitenpol_design.htm > > also home page of the link has all the F&G manuals in PDF for download > > Michael in Maine > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: from Russia with love.....
They are the same. - ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2010
Subject: Re: from Russia with love.....
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Sure, it is in metric, making it less likely that someone would use the plans....but why would you post that? On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Michael Silvius wrote: > > Came across this one while perusing a Russian builders bulletin board. > > http://www.vulkan-avia.ru/pitenpol_design.htm > > also home page of the link has all the F&G manuals in PDF for download > > Michael in Maine > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: from Russia with love.....
I think it's pretty innocuous, FWIW. It's just my opinion, but who is going to build from GIF images of metric plans? I guess it could happen, but the cost of the plans is such a small percentage of the overall project. Of course, there are crazy people out there. There's even a guy who built a Piet AND an RV! :) >Sure, it is in metric, making it less likely that someone would use >the plans....but why would you post that? > >On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Michael Silvius ><silvius(at)gwi.net> wrote: > ><silvius(at)gwi.net> > >Came across this one while perusing a Russian builders bulletin board. > ><http://www.vulkan-avia.ru/pitenpol_design.htm>http://www.vulkan-avia.ru/pitenpol_design.htm > >also home page of the link has all the F&G manuals in PDF for download > >Michael in Maine ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: from Russia with love.....
Date: Apr 16, 2010
Ryan: Mostly because I found it interesting that as far away as Rusia there are entusiast building Pientopols. As far as I can tell the images are scans of the F&G manual drawings. They are available elsewere on the net as well. I found the link to that page here: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl= ru&tl=en&u=http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl%3Fboard%3Dbuilding _from_plans&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhjxC S1aaNpf5122s9bCPVdN1gCyhw Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller Sure, it is in metric, making it less likely that someone would use the plans....but why would you post that? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2010
Subject: Re: from Russia with love.....
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Michael, It's actually the plans set sold by the Pietenpol family....as Jeff mentioned, with the measurements in metric....but still..... Ryan On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Michael Silvius wrote: > Ryan: > > Mostly because I found it interesting that as far away as Rusia there are > entusiast building Pientopols. As far as I can tell the images are scans of > the F&G manual drawings. They are available elsewere on the net as well. > > I found the link to that page here: > > > http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl%3Fboard%3Dbuilding_from_plans&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhjxCS1aaNpf5122s9bCPVdN1gCyhw > > Michael > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Ryan Mueller > > Sure, it is in metric, making it less likely that someone would use the > plans....but why would you post that? > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: steve schuerr <sdschuerr(at)live.com>
Subject: I finally bought my plans!
Date: Apr 16, 2010
I finally bought my plans this afternoon. Very exciting. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: from Russia with love.....
Date: Apr 16, 2010
Ryan: I did not realize that. I did not look at them that closely. I saw the small images and related them to the F&G manual article. I have asked Matt to delete the thread and sent a note to Don Pietenpol about the site I linked. My apologies. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller Michael, It's actually the plans set sold by the Pietenpol family....as Jeff mentioned, with the measurements in metric....but still..... Ryan ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: rigging the wings
From: "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: Apr 16, 2010
Hi Guys I am hoping to trial fit my wings in the next few months,when you say build in the washout how exactly do you do that is it just a matter of adjusting the brace wires to get a slight twist or am I way off. Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294482#294482 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: NASA woes
Date: Apr 16, 2010
Here are some NASA color scheme ideas I came up with a while back... I figure if there's anything diametrically opposed to an LSA, it's the Space Shuttle! I'll sure miss watching the launches. Mike Whaley MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com >>> Michael Perez 4/16/2010 7:27 AM >>> Not to hop on Mr. Cuy's email, but as a NASA employee, I thank you Tom for your support. There is A L-O-T more to NASA then space and space ships. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: I finally bought my plans!
Date: Apr 16, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Hi Steve, Good for you! Very exciting indeed. Where are you from? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. NX929DH -----Original Message----- From: steve schuerr <sdschuerr(at)live.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 16, 2010 2:52 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought my plans! I finally bought my plans this afternoon. Very exciting. Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Nice flight, not such a good ending!
Big rock in the middle of the runway. Look closely and you can see it. Our tailwheel found it last night. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a1H1OsudNU Already fixed it this evening. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Nice flight, not such a good ending!
Jeff, how did you miss damaging your rudder? Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 9:15:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nice flight, not such a good ending! Big rock in the middle of the runway. Look closely and you can see it. Our tailwheel found it last night. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a1H1OsudNU Already fixed it this evening. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Can someone explain brake ratings please?
----- Original Message ---- From: David Paule <dpaule(at)frii.com> Sent: Sun, April 11, 2010 11:29:37 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain brake ratings please? I've operated my Cessna 180 for decades with 6:00-6 tires, frequently off of grass strips. Even a beach one day, and often at gross weight (2,550 pounds). I've landed off-airport on a mesa a few times as well, keeping a keen lookout for prairie dog hills. No problem. For an alternate opinion, see this: http://www.bentpropproductions.com/ Go for the hydraulic breaks. If they are sized right, they'll give you smooth, solid braking with minimal maintenance. Static load is the load on the tire while the plane is standing still on the ground. Limit load is the maximum load encountered during a landing. David Paule > > Hi...looking in to what wheel and brake combo to use. I have decided to go with the 800-6. Looking at the Matco variety on AS&S. Can someone explain the Static Load figures and the Load limit figures? What Part number are other builders using? I intend flying off a grass strip so am going for the larger tyre. Also what are the pros and cons between hydraulic and cable brakes? > > Sorry for what probably sounds like a mundane question but im stumped! > > Scotty > Australia ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: special note about T-88
________________________________ From: Michael Hardaway <baiquemaique(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sat, April 10, 2010 11:07:51 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: special note about T-88 This same system uses "furlongs per fortnight" to measure Piet speed. The metric system uses "centimeters per century." >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of r.r.hall(at)cox.net >Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 7:20 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: special note about T-88 >I usually use Gill, Drams and minims when I measure mine. :-) >Rodney Hall with that wacky English system used in the USA >---- Steve Glass wrote: > Is it still 50/50 if you use the metric system? or do you have to convert it to cubits and work backwards? >Steve in Maine ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Can someone explain brake ratings please?
Jack, I too have clevelands with matco brakes and they work great. I don't worry about over braking because you just cant. Maybe it is because the matco cylinders are smaller than the clevelands. Gardiner. ________________________________ From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 11:23:39 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain brake ratings please? RE: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain brake ratings please? I also haveCleveland brakes off (I believe) a 172, but I have 21" motorcycle rims. I use the MatcoMC-4master cylinders, which have a piston diameter of .625". I believe 6.00 x 6 Cleveland brakes have a 2" diameter piston (don't remember exactly), which would mean a 50 lb push on the master cylinder would generate a hydraulic presure of 50/(p(.625)2/4)=163 psi. When this pressure is applied to the brake caliper, it generates a force of 163 x (p(22/4)) or 512 lbs, so you get about a 10:1 advantage. With the tall wheels, I find my brakes are adequate for stopping and to hold it for a runup, but they can't hold it against full power. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 10:51 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain brake ratings please? As with David's experience, so with mine. NX41CC has 6.00x6 on the main gear, with hydraulic brakes straight off an older Cessna 172. I operate off of grass whenever possible and I love the way the Piet flies off of grass with this setup. I know that the people who have motorcycle-type wheels have things a little bit different than we who have fat tires and spring or bungee gear, but they both have their pros and cons. I prefer the slightly larger and fatter tires for appearance as well. The smaller ones seem to be out of scale for the airplane. The brakes on the airplane work very well in all conditions, readily hold the airplane during static runup, but are not overpowering for the 1080 lb. gross weight. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much much more: http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-ListSame great content also available via the Web Forums! http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: from Russia with love.....
Date: Apr 16, 2010
Re: Pietenpol-List: from Russia with love.....Well, actually, pretty much the only country in the world still using inches and feet is the US. Even England, the very home of the system, is metric. There's an awful lot of potential Pieters outside the US. And non of them have measuring tools that are NOT metric. Personaly, I find inches much easier when working with wood and metal in the way necessary for what we're doing. Clif, nasty old holdout. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Boatright To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: from Russia with love..... I think it's pretty innocuous, FWIW. It's just my opinion, but who is going to build from GIF images of metric plans? I guess it could happen, but the cost of the plans is such a small percentage of the overall project. Of course, there are crazy people out there. There's even a guy who built a Piet AND an RV! :) Sure, it is in metric, making it less likely that someone would use the plans....but why would you post that? On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Michael Silvius wrote: Came across this one while perusing a Russian builders bulletin board. http://www.vulkan-avia.ru/pitenpol_design.htm also home page of the link has all the F&G manuals in PDF for download Michael in Maine ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/16/10 11:31:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 16, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Nice flight, not such a good ending!
The bolt holding the tailwheel to the welded ladder sheared, so there was no damage to anything as near as I can tell. The wheel came off, the tali came down on the pad of the welded ladder and simply acted as a tail skid. > >Jeff, how did you miss damaging your rudder? Gardiner > -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 17, 2010
From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Nice flight, not such a good ending!
Ouch....Jeff I happy it did not hurt anything....and your ready to go again .....Cool vid. =0A- I guess that rock will find a new home !!!=0A=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.e du>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, April 16, 2010 9:15:03 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Nice flight, not such a good ending!=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright =0A=0A Big rock in the middle of the runway. Look closely and you can see it. Our tailwheel found it last night.=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a1H1O - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List ====== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 17, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Nice flight, not such a good ending!
We're still trying to figure out how the rock got there. The runway crowns on along the centerline, yet that's where this rock was. >Ouch....Jeff I happy it did not hurt anything....and your ready to >go again .....Cool vid. > I guess that rock will find a new home !!! -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Another newbie!
From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Date: Apr 17, 2010
I've been lurking for a while now, but decided that i would finally say Hello to everybody! I was looking at building a Double Eagle, but, have decided to go with a Piet! I really like the simplicity as well as the history and nostalgia that go along with this plane. I have my plans and am about to order the wood to build the ribs. Even though i'm just starting out, i have found this list to be very inspirational- Thank You!! Earl Brown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294536#294536 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ALAN LYSCARS" <alyscars(at)myfairpoint.net>
Subject: Re: Another newbie!
Date: Apr 17, 2010
Welcome into the fold, Earl! Al Lyscars ----- Original Message ----- From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:13 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another newbie! > > I've been lurking for a while now, but decided that i would finally say > Hello > to everybody! > > I was looking at building a Double Eagle, but, have decided to go with a > Piet! > I really like the simplicity as well as the history and nostalgia that go > along > with this plane. > > I have my plans and am about to order the wood to build the ribs. > > Even though i'm just starting out, i have found this list to be very > inspirational- > Thank You!! > > Earl Brown > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 17, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Another newbie!
Where are you, Earl? Welcome. -----Original Message----- >From: echobravo4 <eab4(at)comcast.net> >Sent: Apr 17, 2010 11:13 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another newbie! > > >I've been lurking for a while now, but decided that i would finally say Hello >to everybody! > >I was looking at building a Double Eagle, but, have decided to go with a Piet! >I really like the simplicity as well as the history and nostalgia that go along >with this plane. > >I have my plans and am about to order the wood to build the ribs. > >Even though i'm just starting out, i have found this list to be very inspirational- >Thank You!! > >Earl Brown > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294536#294536 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another newbie!
From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Date: Apr 17, 2010
i'm in PA near Philadelphia -------- I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294542#294542 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: I finally bought the plans!
From: "schuerrman" <sdschuerr(at)live.com>
Date: Apr 17, 2010
Hello, I've been lurking for a couple of years, reading the recommended literature, and ogling the pictures on the net. I finally bought the plans yesterday. Checked the mail today, just to practice. It's going to be corvair powered. I figured that I'll never have enough money or time anyways, so why not get started. Steve Schuerr McHenry, IL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294564#294564 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: I finally bought the plans!
Date: Apr 17, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Hi Steve, Glad to have you here. You are invited to come right down the road, to Pop lar Grove and visit with me, and get to see an almost-completed Piet. Dan Helsper Cell 815-298-5680 -----Original Message----- From: schuerrman <sdschuerr(at)live.com> Sent: Sat, Apr 17, 2010 2:57 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought the plans! Hello, I've been lurking for a couple of years, reading the recommended literatur e, and gling the pictures on the net. I finally bought the plans yesterday. Che cked he mail today, just to practice. It's going to be corvair powered. I figured that I'll never have enough money or time anyways, so why not ge t tarted. Steve Schuerr cHenry, IL ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294564#294564 ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another newbie!
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 17, 2010
Where near philly? I work in Bensalem and build in Lancaster John 215-208-8309 ------Original Message------ From: echobravo4 Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another newbie! Sent: Apr 17, 2010 12:44 PM i'm in PA near Philadelphia -------- I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294542#294542 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: I finally bought the plans! Force of habit I guess
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 17, 2010
Its going to be a mono plane. You are building me a mono plane? ------Original Message------ From: schuerrman Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Subject: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought the plans! Sent: Apr 17, 2010 3:57 PM Hello, I've been lurking for a couple of years, reading the recommended literature, and ogling the pictures on the net. I finally bought the plans yesterday. Checked the mail today, just to practice. It's going to be corvair powered. I figured that I'll never have enough money or time anyways, so why not get started. Steve Schuerr McHenry, IL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294564#294564 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another newbie!
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 17, 2010
Who,s flying with Kestler? Brown new guy! Had to do it John ------Original Message------ From: Tim Willis Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another newbie! Sent: Apr 17, 2010 12:23 PM Where are you, Earl? Welcome. -----Original Message----- >From: echobravo4 <eab4(at)comcast.net> >Sent: Apr 17, 2010 11:13 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another newbie! > > >I've been lurking for a while now, but decided that i would finally say Hello >to everybody! > >I was looking at building a Double Eagle, but, have decided to go with a Piet! >I really like the simplicity as well as the history and nostalgia that go along >with this plane. > >I have my plans and am about to order the wood to build the ribs. > >Even though i'm just starting out, i have found this list to be very inspirational- >Thank You!! > >Earl Brown > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294536#294536 > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another newbie!
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 17, 2010
You were in some trouble, no? It is over now? Maybe one day we might fly togesser? ------Original Message------ From: echobravo4 Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another newbie! Sent: Apr 17, 2010 11:13 AM I've been lurking for a while now, but decided that i would finally say Hello to everybody! I was looking at building a Double Eagle, but, have decided to go with a Piet! I really like the simplicity as well as the history and nostalgia that go along with this plane. I have my plans and am about to order the wood to build the ribs. Even though i'm just starting out, i have found this list to be very inspirational- Thank You!! Earl Brown Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294536#294536 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Up date
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 17, 2010
Its been an interesting week. During my travels I got the pleasure of meeting and dinner with Douwe and his lovely family, a real treat for a weary traveler. I also had the unfortunate opportunity to see his damaged Piet a real beauty. We worked a bit on her to remove the engine while looking for any additional damage along the way. I had a nice time with them enjoying their fellowship and hospitality, great folks. I regret not being able to spend more time with them or helping rebuild her. With great spirit and determination she will fly again soon. Thanks for the welcome and chance to lend a small hand in your piet recovery. John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 17, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Photos at Waupun last year
Hello guys, did any one get some photos last year at Waupun, or any air ro air shots while in formation enroute to OSH? I have a few at Waupun with the 2nd group of piets, but did not think ahead, or remember to take any pics in formation. If my computer ever starts working correctly I will try to post the pics I have from Waupun, that field as a background, with airplanes parked by the corn looks very nostalgic. I have some of Mr.Perkins fueling up his plane, a shot down the line of piets, and some with an 50's Ford pickup with Dicks Rotec piet, 3/4 view. God willing we can try to do it all again in 2019 for the 90th (when we all will need tcas, xponder, radar, gpws, a flight management system and a 300 year background check to land at a public airport). Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 17, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: too windy to fly so I'll fix
Well it's been lousy flying weather the past couple days so at least I am not missing out on that. Still making progress (slowly) on the annual, repairs on the piet. Too cold to paint today so I did about 30 min of wet sanding and obsessing over the wing patches. Dad brought over the new bungees so we can get those replaced. Just 6-7 more coats of paint on the fabric repairs with a bunch of wetsanding every 2 coats or so, a test run of the engine to check for leaks, and put the lower tail brace wire fitting back on ($$$$POR-15 paint, didn't adheare well) after a couple coats of spray bomb, and then see if I can still fly a pietenpol. By the way, did any of you make it to Grimes Field to see the B-25's? I went over on thurs. and only 5 of the 20 expected had made it by then. The Doolittle Radier's Reunion was sceduled to be at Wright Patterson Airforce Base today, hope it went well. Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 17, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Phase 1 complete!, Sun-N-Fun update
The winds in Florida finally settled down today and I was able to fly off the last 1.5 hours of my Phase 1 period. Finished up by doing the worst landing so far, but nobody saw it but me. Sun-n-fun was fun, but windy. Got to see two of the Big Piets, and Jack Phillips got in right before the air show on Friday afternoon. Unfortunately the two Big Piets left Friday morning so he missed them. The woodworking shop was doing a great job with Douwe's wing, with real quality work. Looking forward to strapping my wife in the front seat for my first flight with a passenger in over 18 years. She's never flown in an open cockpit, but has done lots of motorcycle trips. Ben Charvet NX866BC ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another newbie!
From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Date: Apr 17, 2010
Nice! i just watched that (AGAIN!) last week! I'm in Downingtown -------- I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294613#294613 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ohio piet fly-in, food
Date: Apr 17, 2010
I'm planning on bringing the ole T-Craft up that way, it's been way to long since it's been to centerburg, or Wynkoop for that fact! So count us (myself and 7month prego girlie!) in! Will show up early Saturday morning and out that evening. I'm looking forward to it, vacation request was just put in! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2010, at 6:37 PM, shad bell wrote: > > > > Group, To all those who plan on attending our Ohio piet fly-in, I am > trying to come up with a way to keep it affordable for me,and Dad so > we can do it again in the future. I am planning on making it pot > luck, bring a dish to pass, or if you can't carry food etc because > you are flying in, a donation jar. I might just hand out tickets > for a small donation, which is basically a meal pass, bringing a > covered dish, chips, soda etc would get you a free ticket. One of > the reasons I might need to do this, is there are a few locals who > have in the past shown up uninvited to take advantage of peoples > good nature, to feed 10+ people with no intention of helping to > donate or contribute in any such way, and are blaitant in doing so > (it's a long story) If any of you have any other ideas let me > know. For those of you who plan on bringing food, I will try to get > a list of who is bringing what a month or so in advance so I can get > to the store to buy the rest, so > everyone will have a full belly. Don, Mike, Frank, Skipp, and other > friday night campers, I was thinking if you want we can pile into > the 1932 model A truck (stakebed) hay ride style, and go uptown to > the dinner for breakfast 1st thing saturday morning, it's only 2 > miles down the road, I think it would be easier than cooking up > breakfast here, (I might be treading on thin ice with the boss at > that point, she'll be 7 months pregnant by then) If I destroy the > kitchen, I'll be camping at my own house. So far I have 6-7 piets > planning on attending, and 3-4 more of maybe's, 4,5 piet builders > (still building), some flying in, others driving, one international > attendee (Scott Knowlton, from Canada)flying in a Stinson, and a > dozzen or so of my aviation friends and family. > > Shad > > P.S. I called to get prices on rent-a-johns, they are only about > $100 per unit, for Friday-Monday, 2 should be plenty, I just use my > tree when the laddies aren't looking. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Nice flight, not such a good ending!
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Apr 17, 2010
Jeff, That is a cool video. Glad you didn't have any more damage. Just wondered why you happened to have the camera there to catch it. It is interesting to watch the action of the tail wheel. I am building something similar for my GN-1 and this gives me some idea of what kind of stress it goes through. I might give some thought to my wheel attachment. Thanks for sharing. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294617#294617 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another newbie!
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Apr 17, 2010
Welcome to the list. Jon Coxwell Remsen NY -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294620#294620 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 18, 2010
From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: I finally bought the plans! ha exelent!
con grat. these is bery good stared no worry about have a bounch of money i n ones yust if you jave a few like 20 bay 20 in material and when you have a 50 buy 50 in material before you now you have a fuselaje finished you see i hope hear about you stera proyect and show you pictured welcome to piete npol famylie. jorge from hanford. --- On Sat, 4/17/10, schuerrman wrote: From: schuerrman <sdschuerr(at)live.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought the plans! Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 12:57 PM Hello, I've been lurking for a couple of years, reading the recommended literature , and ogling the pictures on the net.- I finally bought the plans yesterd ay.- Checked the mail today, just to practice.- It's going to be corvai r powered. I figured that I'll never have enough money or time anyways, so why not get started. Steve Schuerr McHenry, IL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294564#294564 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 18, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: I finally bought the plans!
Hi Steve, I keep my Piet just down the road from you at Olson Airport, LL53, on Rt. 47, about a mile north of Burlington Road. Dan On 04/17/2010 02:57 PM, schuerrman wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "schuerrman" > > Hello, > > I've been lurking for a couple of years, reading the recommended literature, and ogling the pictures on the net. I finally bought the plans yesterday. Checked the mail today, just to practice. It's going to be corvair powered. > > I figured that I'll never have enough money or time anyways, so why not get started. > > Steve Schuerr > McHenry, IL > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294564#294564 > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 18, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Nice flight, not such a good ending!
Jeff, I think you just planted that rock so you could take a picture to show what a good bombing run you could make. Ha Ha Ha. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: coxwelljon <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 12:02:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nice flight, not such a good ending! Jeff, That is a cool video. Glad you didn't have any more damage. Just wondered why you happened to have the camera there to catch it. It is interesting to watch the action of the tail wheel. I am building something similar for my GN-1 and this gives me some idea of what kind of stress it goes through. I might give some thought to my wheel attachment. Thanks for sharing. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294617#294617 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 18, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Nice flight, not such a good ending!
Short answer: dumb luck. Long story: I had been meaning to film with a camera pointing forward and rearward for some time. We had a particularly pretty sunset that evening, so I attached both cameras. The YouTube video is only 2 mins from a 40 min taping, and of course, none from the forward facing camera. > > >Jeff, > >That is a cool video. Glad you didn't have any more damage. Just >wondered why you happened to have the camera there to catch it. > >It is interesting to watch the action of the tail wheel. I am >building something similar for my GN-1 and this gives me some idea >of what kind of stress it goes through. I might give some thought >to my wheel attachment. > >Thanks for sharing. > >Jon Coxwell > >-------- >Jon Coxwell >GN-1 Builder >Recycle and preserve the planet > -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 18, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: I finally bought the plans!
Which one did you buy? >And there will be a second Piet at Olson right after Brodhead at the >end of July. ;) > >Ryan > -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another newbie!
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 18, 2010
Perfect, I pass it twice a day when I am in town on the tp and a quick trip on rt 100 or the PA Tp and you're in Lancaster. Doesn't sound hard for either of us to get together. We'll have to make some time for the obligatory pizza and beer meeting. John Piece a cake Ezraha! ------Original Message------ From: echobravo4 Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another newbie! Sent: Apr 17, 2010 11:12 PM Nice! i just watched that (AGAIN!) last week! I'm in Downingtown -------- I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294613#294613 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Parts to go
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 18, 2010
Had a good day yesterday, almost like Christmas. Got my grand son packed up for a road trip to Bloomsberg pa. I have been wanting to take that ride for some time now. Columbia aviation FAA service station, got a chance to pick up all my genuine inspected yellow tagged ready to be assembled lycoming 0235 C1B 108 hp engine parts. I can't wait to start the building process on that bad boy. Everything clean shiny painted and looking brand new. So is the life of a "batch builder" another my phrase. I save up a batch of money buy a batch of material and parts and build till the batch gets used up then I do it all over again. Just spent a batch O bucks so its back to saving and building. Not unless I get a chance to do a bit O Marlkin along the way. Yup did some of that last week while traveling last week. John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 18, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: NASA woes
Very cool Mike! I actually pondered a NASA/space paint scheme as well early on in my build. Nice skins. - ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 18, 2010
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Parts to go
John, I just did the same thing....batch buy. Since we accumulated a good l ot of points on our credit card, I cashed them in on Pietenpol parts. Turnb uckle parts, cables, struts, instruments...it all came last week. Good time s for sure! - ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another newbie!
From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Date: Apr 18, 2010
sounds good- how far along is yours? i would love to see one thats more than just paper right now! -------- I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294681#294681 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Wing flop
Date: Apr 18, 2010
I am installing a flop in the center of my wing and want to know if making it the same width (12" cord) as the aileron is a good idea or should it be wider? Basically it would be built like the a 3rd aileron just shorter in length, about 24 inches long. Speaking of length, should it exstend beyond the center section lendth? Chris Sacramento,Ca Westcoastpiet.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: I finally bought the plans!
Date: Apr 18, 2010
We're buying Gene's Piet (Gene from Tennessee), N502R! Ryan Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > > > > Which one did you buy? > >> And there will be a second Piet at Olson right after Brodhead at >> the end of July. ;) >> >> Ryan >> > > > -- > > Jeff Boatright > "Now let's think about this..." > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 18, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: too windy to fly so I'll fix
Shad, I could just wander into the living room and look in the Bingelis books, but what's the fun in that? Fabric patching sounds like one of those magical arts that is best acquired by watching, then doing, under the tutelage of an expert. Lacking said expert, do you recommend a good book or article that outlines the procedure to get a high quality, can't-tell-if-no-one-told-me-it-was-there result? I'll be starting with the dread Sherwin Williams paint which I understand is easily removed with either some strong duct tape or MEK... Thanks, Dan On 04/17/2010 07:03 PM, shad bell wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: shad bell > > Well it's been lousy flying weather the past couple days so at least I am not missing out on that. Still making progress (slowly) on the annual, repairs on the piet. Too cold to paint today so I did about 30 min of wet sanding and obsessing over the wing patches. Dad brought over the new bungees so we can get those replaced. Just 6-7 more coats of paint on the fabric repairs with a bunch of wetsanding every 2 coats or so, a test run of the engine to check for leaks, and put the lower tail brace wire fitting back on ($$$$POR-15 paint, didn't adheare well) after a couple coats of spray bomb, and then see if I can still fly a pietenpol. By the way, did any of you make it to Grimes Field to see the B-25's? I went over on thurs. and only 5 of the 20 expected had made it by then. The Doolittle Radier's Reunion was sceduled to be at Wright Patterson Airforce Base today, hope it went well. > > Shad > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: I finally bought the plans!
Date: Apr 18, 2010
Congratulations, Ryan & Jess! I'll smoke a cigar for you.... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:55 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought the plans! We're buying Gene's Piet (Gene from Tennessee), N502R! Ryan Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > > > > Which one did you buy? > >> And there will be a second Piet at Olson right after Brodhead at >> the end of July. ;) >> >> Ryan >> > > > -- > > Jeff Boatright > "Now let's think about this..." > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Wing flop
Date: Apr 18, 2010
Chris, Making the flop the same width as the aileron is good. Extending the flop to the left is a good idea with the one piece wing. It is a bit more complicated with the three piece wing. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing flop I am installing a flop in the center of my wing and want to know if making it the same width (12" cord) as the aileron is a good idea or should it be wider? Basically it would be built like the a 3rd aileron just shorter in length, about 24 inches long. Speaking of length, should it exstend beyond the center section lendth? Chris Sacramento,Ca Westcoastpiet.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 18, 2010
Subject: Re: Wing flop
From: Lloyd Smith <lesmith240(at)gmail.com>
In light of the recent mishap w/ Douwe's Piet, how well would the pilot fair in a noseover with the flop in place? Would it hinder egress during an emergency if the airplane were on it's back? I'm also thinking of the RV that flipped at Brodhead this past summer. That large canopy wouldn't open while the airplane was on it's back if I recall. On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 6:27 PM, gcardinal wrote: > Chris, > > Making the flop the same width as the aileron is good. Extending the flop > to the left is a good idea with the one piece wing. It is a bit more > complicated with the three piece wing. > > Greg Cardinal > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Chris > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:50 PM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Wing flop > > I am installing a flop in the center of my wing and want to know if making > it the same width (12" cord) as the aileron is a good idea or should it be > wider? Basically it would be built like the a 3rd aileron just shorter in > length, about 24 inches long. Speaking of length, should it exstend beyond > the center section lendth? > > Chris > Sacramento,Ca > Westcoastpiet.com > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > -- "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -- PJ O'Rourke ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 18, 2010
Subject: Re: I finally bought the plans!
Da kat is out da bag now! In a message dated 4/18/2010 7:08:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rmueller23(at)gmail.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ryan Mueller Enjoy. Thanks Gary! I don't recall, are you going to be able to make it to Brodhead this year? Ryan Do not archive Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2010, at 3:06 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" > > Congratulations, Ryan & Jess! I'll smoke a cigar for you.... > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (18 ribs down.) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:55 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought the plans! > > > We're buying Gene's Piet (Gene from Tennessee), N502R! > > Ryan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 18, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright >> >> >> Which one did you buy? >> >>> And there will be a second Piet at Olson right after Brodhead at >>> the end of July. ;) >>> >>> Ryan >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Jeff Boatright >> "Now let's think about this..." >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing flop
From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 18, 2010
i am about to figure out how to make mine work now.I have my wings rigged and am getting ready to make up the X-brace cables.-I kinda wonder why they are necessary with the X-brace rods in the wings to control drag. but anyway I'll use them since the plans call for them and they can carry part of the flight loads along with the struts. but my wing flop section is the same width as the center section. so that leaves about 2" gap on each side to hide.I'm guessing I'll end up making a gap cover to come back the the rear spar and then something separate that will be attached to the flop to close the gap but let it swing up with it.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294734#294734 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 18, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: too windy to fly so I'll fix
I seem to be the guy that has to learn the hard way, by doing. Learn from my failures, and triumphs. Taking off the paint is easy with the latex, soak a rag in mek, hold it on the paint to let it penetrate, then lightly scrape the paint away, it peels off fairly clean. I use a plastic scraper. The tougher, or more labor intensive part is blending the paint in. We used Cecobond cement, which is waterbased. Dad did not use the complete cecobond paint system, just the fabric cement. Glue the patch on as per your fabric system instructions. Next I brush 2-3 coats of the latex base "primer" color which is white on ours, and let dry 24 hrs or so. Then wetsand untill smooth, and the outter area of the primer is almost gone, thus leaving the low spot where you removed the paint, filled in. I think 3-4 coats of base color should fill the low spots, and hopefully 2-3 sessions of wetsanding is all that will be required to look decent. Then I plan on 3-4 brush coats of orange to match the rest of the wing. Hopefully the orange will match, it's been out in the hanger all winter freeze and thaw, but it mixed up well last week. That's about it, I think this patch will be my best one yet (out of neccesity, it's going to be in a visible area). One recomendation I have is make a frame out of 2x4 etc and cover it exsactly like your airplane, then you can practice on it. also when you go flying throw it out in the sun, and put in back in the hanger when your done. This will give you a fairly accurate fabric deterioratin (spelling) test sample if your wondering how its holding up. OH YEA, don't forget to use some Flotrol in your latex, it helps the paint flow out a little smoother, directions on the bottle. Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 18, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Parts to go
John, what mags are on your 235 c1b. I am using the same on my Jungster, but with out starter or electrical system. I believe they originally had s-400 series mags which had the "shower of sparks" ignition retard for start. They use a starter vibrator (transformer) unit instead of a impulse coupling. Do you plan on having electric, or starter? I would be interested in how your set up works either way. Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 18, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Ohio piet fly-in, food
Good to hear Matthew, Bill See tells stories of you being filthy dirty and running all over at Brodhead when you were just a young'un. Well I guess the "pregos" (your wife and mine) can swap women stories while us men swap flying stories....."There I was at fligt level 310 with the # 1 on fire and #2 feathered..." I am really looking forward to the fly-in. I Shad P.S. Whoever is in charge of weather, we need sunny, calm and nice > > I'm planning on bringing the ole T-Craft up that way, > it's been way to long since it's been to centerburg, or > Wynkoop for that fact! So count us (myself and 7month > prego girlie!) in! Will show up early Saturday > morning and out that evening. I'm looking forward to > it, vacation request was just put in! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 8, 2010, at 6:37 PM, shad bell > wrote: > > > > > > > > Group, To all those who plan on attending our Ohio > piet fly-in, I am trying to come up with a way to keep it > affordable for me,and Dad so we can do it again in the > future. I am planning on making it pot luck, bring a > dish to pass, or if you can't carry food etc because you are > flying in, a donation jar. I might just hand out > tickets for a small donation, which is basically a meal > pass, bringing a covered dish, chips, soda etc would get you > a free ticket. One of the reasons I might need to do > this, is there are a few locals who have in the past shown > up uninvited to take advantage of peoples good nature, to > feed 10+ people with no intention of helping to donate or > contribute in any such way, and are blaitant in doing so > (it's a long story) If any of you have any other ideas > let me know. For those of you who plan on bringing > food, I will try to get a list of who is bringing what a > month or so in advance so I can get to the store to buy the > rest, so > > everyone will have a full belly. Don, Mike, > Frank, Skipp, and other friday night campers, I was thinking > if you want we can pile into the 1932 model A truck > (stakebed) hay ride style, and go uptown to the dinner for > breakfast 1st thing saturday morning, it's only 2 miles down > the road, I think it would be easier than cooking up > breakfast here, (I might be treading on thin ice with the > boss at that point, she'll be 7 months pregnant by then) If > I destroy the kitchen, I'll be camping at my own house. So > far I have 6-7 piets planning on attending, and 3-4 more of > maybe's, 4,5 piet builders (still building), some flying in, > others driving, one international attendee (Scott Knowlton, > from Canada)flying in a Stinson, and a dozzen or so of my > aviation friends and family. > > > > Shad > > > > P.S. I called to get prices on rent-a-johns, they are > only about $100 per unit, for Friday-Monday, 2 should be > plenty, I just use my tree when the laddies aren't looking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 18, 2010
Subject: Re: Parts to go
Shad I have the bendix shower of sparks and have no box, so I am planning on a set of slicks with an electrical system. Shower is supposed to be a good system, however I need to have mine serviced then buy a box from somewhere. I think the cost of that out weighs the set of new slick mags. At least that's what I heard, anyway. I plan to keep pricing and looking for a deal on either John In a message dated 4/18/2010 8:12:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: shad bell John, what mags are on your 235 c1b. I am using the same on my Jungster, but with out starter or electrical system. I believe they originally had s-400 series mags which had the "shower of sparks" ignition retard for start. They use a starter vibrator (transformer) unit instead of a impulse coupling. Do you plan on having electric, or starter? I would be interested in how your set up works either way. Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing flop
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 18, 2010
The flop has nothing to do with the inverted position, Douwes flop was total irrelevant. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294768#294768 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Wing flop
Date: Apr 18, 2010
For what it's worth, here's my flop. The trapzoidal areas will be covered with lexan, top and bottom. Much more visibility in a turn. The dragwires inside the wing keep the wing panels themselves square. The strut X bracing keep the entire wing from twisting back and forth as a unit. Suppose you had a situation where there was more drag on the right wing and less on the left. This would try to push the right wingtip back towards the tail and move the left foreward thus twisting the wing about the center. The X bracing works to keep that under control, among other things. Clif I was always taught to respect my elders, But it keeps getting harder to find one. > > > i am about to figure out how to make mine work now.I have my wings rigged > and am getting ready to make up the X-brace cables.-I kinda wonder why > they are necessary with the X-brace rods in the wings to control drag. my > wing flop section is the same width as the center section. so that leaves > about 2" gap on each side to hide.I'm guessing I'll end up making a gap > cover to come back the the rear spar and then something separate that will > be attached to the flop to close the gap but let it swing up with > it.Raymond ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 18, 2010
Subject: Re: Wing flop
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
I made my flop about a quarter inch narrower than the full opening width between the left and right wings of my 3 piece wing (see attached). Would think you could add a couple inches of width to your flop to fill those gaps (if you haven't covered it yet). rick On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 5:23 PM, skellytown flyer wrote: > skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> > > i am about to figure out how to make mine work now.I have my wings rigged > and am getting ready to make up the X-brace cables.-I kinda wonder why they > are necessary with the X-brace rods in the wings to control drag. but anyway > I'll use them since the plans call for them and they can carry part of the > flight loads along with the struts. but my wing flop section is the same > width as the center section. so that leaves about 2" gap on each side to > hide.I'm guessing I'll end up making a gap cover to come back the the rear > spar and then something separate that will be attached to the flop to close > the gap but let it swing up with it.Raymond > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294734#294734 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 19, 2010
Subject: Re: Wing flop
From: Lloyd Smith <lesmith240(at)gmail.com>
Thanks. Good to know. BTW, glad you came out relatively unscathed. On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Pieti Lowell wrote: > Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> > > The flop has nothing to do with the inverted position, Douwes flop was > total irrelevant. > Pieti Lowell > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294768#294768 > > -- "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -- PJ O'Rourke ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 18, 2010
Subject: Re: Another newbie!
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Great decision Earl (though I think the Double Eagle is a great aircraft too). And if you really want to get into the history and spirit of the Pietenpol you have to read this book: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/bvpages/pietenpolStory.php And for even more fun come to the annual Brodhead reunion the weekend before Oshkosh. rick On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 9:13 AM, echobravo4 wrote: > > I've been lurking for a while now, but decided that i would finally say > Hello > to everybody! > > I was looking at building a Double Eagle, but, have decided to go with a > Piet! > I really like the simplicity as well as the history and nostalgia that go > along > with this plane. > > I have my plans and am about to order the wood to build the ribs. > > Even though i'm just starting out, i have found this list to be very > inspirational- > Thank You!! > > Earl Brown > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294536#294536 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Wing flop
Date: Apr 19, 2010
Chris, Here's a pic I took of Larry Williams' Piet last year. Looks like he chose to make the flop same width as the C/S, with the fairing attached. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:51 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing flop I am installing a flop in the center of my wing and want to know if making it the same width (12" cord) as the aileron is a good idea or should it be wider? Basically it would be built like the a 3rd aileron just shorter in length, about 24 inches long. Speaking of length, should it exstend beyond the center section lendth? Chris Sacramento,Ca Westcoastpiet.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: anybody with some spare time?
Date: Apr 19, 2010
Hey guys, Well, the more things are uncovered, the more we find. The latest kick in the gut turns out to be that the guy I bought the project from, who did much of the basic woodwork, while being a great carpenter, evidently wasn't a whiz at mixing glue. Looks like he used plastic resing glue (like weldwood that ASS spruce still sells) which is very sensetive to curing temps and mixing ratios. As they started fixing the wing at Sun N' Fun, they discovered the rib gussets would basically pop off without much effort, failing the glue joints, which obviously calls into question the rest of the airframe built by him. After recovering from this shock, I have decided again not to quit, but to uncover everything, and go over the structure with a fine tooth comb and replace/reinforce every questionable glue joint in the airframe. MOST of the glue joints in the fuse appear strong, well executed and came through the shock well. It appears as if he went too light on the wings producing some glue starved joints. However, every bit will be gone over and brought up to standard. The SNF gang decided that they could remove each gusset, clean it and epoxy it back without taking the wing apart and has done a large chunk of the wing they took. The other wing needs to be done and they both need recovering. Needless to say... though I am ressolute, and will not quit... I am more than a little discouraged right now. SO, I got to thinking... Is there anybody out there with woodworking skills and some time on their hands that I could contract some of this work out to? I'm thinking that if I could pay someone to do the wings while I did the fuselage, this might be less overwhelming and might help someone out who needs some extra income right now. The upshot of all this is that I strongly feel GOD's hand in all of this. If that gust hadn't sent Lowell into that ditch, I might not have discovered this until I was at four thousand feet somewhere. So it is actually a good thing and I am grateful, though very upset that I have been working away on a subpar structure for nine years. God is good! Douwe ps. John, we really enjoyed having you down, thanks for the help!! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 19, 2010
Subject: Re: anybody with some spare time?
Where do you live? What really needs to be done? Only God knows how much time I have remaining but I'm presently idle and might be of a little help. Don't need any money. Corky ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Re: anybody with some spare time?
Date: Apr 19, 2010
Douwe, my heart goes out to you. You definitely have the "Suvivors attitude"! It'll make your first fight, and all the other flights you make in your Piet, that much sweeter. As you know, things happen for a reason. Keep the faith and keep moving forward. (Still feel bad I was so hard on ya) Gene in Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: anybody with some spare time? > > > Hey guys, > > Well, the more things are uncovered, the more we find. The latest kick in > the gut turns out to be that the guy I bought the project from, who did > much > of the basic woodwork, while being a great carpenter, evidently wasn't a > whiz at mixing glue. Looks like he used plastic resing glue (like > weldwood > that ASS spruce still sells) which is very sensetive to curing temps and > mixing ratios. As they started fixing the wing at Sun N' Fun, they > discovered the rib gussets would basically pop off without much effort, > failing the glue joints, which obviously calls into question the rest of > the > airframe built by him. > > After recovering from this shock, I have decided again not to quit, but to > uncover everything, and go over the structure with a fine tooth comb and > replace/reinforce every questionable glue joint in the airframe. MOST of > the glue joints in the fuse appear strong, well executed and came through > the shock well. It appears as if he went too light on the wings producing > some glue starved joints. However, every bit will be gone over and > brought > up to standard. > > The SNF gang decided that they could remove each gusset, clean it and > epoxy > it back without taking the wing apart and has done a large chunk of the > wing > they took. The other wing needs to be done and they both need recovering. > > Needless to say... though I am ressolute, and will not quit... I am more > than a little discouraged right now. SO, I got to thinking... > > Is there anybody out there with woodworking skills and some time on their > hands that I could contract some of this work out to? I'm thinking that > if > I could pay someone to do the wings while I did the fuselage, this might > be > less overwhelming and might help someone out who needs some extra income > right now. > > The upshot of all this is that I strongly feel GOD's hand in all of this. > If that gust hadn't sent Lowell into that ditch, I might not have > discovered > this until I was at four thousand feet somewhere. So it is actually a > good > thing and I am grateful, though very upset that I have been working away > on > a subpar structure for nine years. > > God is good! > > Douwe > > ps. John, we really enjoyed having you down, thanks for the help!! > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:31:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 19, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Wing flop
On 04/18/2010 05:41 PM, Lloyd Smith wrote: > In light of the recent mishap w/ Douwe's Piet, how well would the pilot > fair in a noseover with the flop in place? Would it hinder egress > during an emergency if the airplane were on it's back? I would guess it wouldn't hinder a self-extracted exit since it's an open cockpit. Oscar also nosed over in 41CC and he's still here to tell the tale. > > I'm also thinking of the RV that flipped at Brodhead this past summer. > That large canopy wouldn't open while the airplane was on it's back if I > recall. Yeah, there was no way that guy would have gotten out if we hadn't been there to lift the tail. Just goes to show you that a Piet is more safe than an RV-7, eh? I think that's just a risk a person takes flying a low-wing aircraft that has a canopy that pivots or slides. The risk is lower with a plane with side doors or a high-wing to bear the load of the plane. Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 19, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: I finally bought the plans!
Finally, I can say congrats in public! I'm really looking forward to being able to fly with you guys! Speaking of flying, the weather looks pretty good for tomorrow... think I might take another half-day of vacation... :-) Cheers! Dan On 04/18/2010 12:55 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > > We're buying Gene's Piet (Gene from Tennessee), N502R! > > Ryan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 18, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > >> >> Which one did you buy? >> >>> And there will be a second Piet at Olson right after Brodhead at the >>> end of July. ;) >>> >>> Ryan >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Jeff Boatright >> "Now let's think about this..." >> >> >> >> > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 19, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: too windy to fly so I'll fix
Shad, On 04/18/2010 07:02 PM, shad bell wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: shad bell > > > I seem to be the guy that has to learn the hard way, by doing. Learn from my failures, and triumphs. Taking off the paint is easy with the latex, soak a rag in mek, hold it on the paint to let it penetrate, then lightly scrape the paint away, it peels off fairly clean. I use a plastic scraper. The tougher, or more labor intensive part is blending the paint in. We used Cecobond cement, which is waterbased. Dad did not use the complete cecobond paint system, just the fabric cement. Glue the patch on as per your fabric system instructions. Next I brush 2-3 coats of the latex base "primer" color which is white on ours, and let dry 24 hrs or so. Then wetsand untill smooth, and the outter area of the primer is almost gone, thus leaving the low spot where you removed the paint, filled in. I think 3-4 coats of base color should fill the low spots, and hopefully 2-3 sessions of wetsanding is all that will be required to look decent. Then I plan on 3-4 > brush coats of orange to match the rest of the wing. Hopefully the orange will match, it's been out in the hanger all winter freeze and thaw, but it mixed up well last week. That's about it, I think this patch will be my best one yet (out of neccesity, it's going to be in a visible area). One recomendation I have is make a frame out of 2x4 etc and cover it exsactly like your airplane, then you can practice on it. also when you go flying throw it out in the sun, and put in back in the hanger when your done. This will give you a fairly accurate fabric deterioratin (spelling) test sample if your wondering how its holding up. OH YEA, don't forget to use some Flotrol in your latex, it helps the paint flow out a little smoother, directions on the bottle. > Thanks for the description. There are a few trailer rashes on the wings of N8031 which are on my medium long list of things to attend to. That, and the cracks in the paint over the turtledeck stringers. Nothing serious, but still things I'd like to fix up in the future. Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 19, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Wing flop
I do not have a flop, but I do have a curved opening over the rear pit for easier ingress or egress. I would like to install a hinged cover out of lex an over the top of the contour wing to keep wind off my back in the winter. would this affect the aerodynamics ? Cheers, Gardiner Mason=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________=0AFrom: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, April 19, 2010 8:28:25 AM =0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing flop=0A=0A =0AChris,=0A =0AHere =99s a pic I took of Larry Williams=99=0APiet last year. Looks like h e chose to make the flop same width as the C/S,=0Awith the fairing attached .=0A =0AGary Boothe=0ACool, Ca.=0APietenpol=0AWW Corvair Conversion, mounte d=0ATail done, Fuselage on gear=0A(18 ribs down)=0A=0A____________ ____________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris=0A Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:51=0AAM=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Wing flop=0A =0AI am installing a flop in the c enter of my wing and want to know if=0Amaking it the same width (12" cord) as the aileron is a good idea or=0Ashould it be wider? Basically it would be built like the a 3rd aileron=0Ajust shorter in length, about 24 inches l ong. Speaking of=0Alength, should it exstend beyond the center section len dth?=0A =0AChris=0ASacramento ,Ca=0AWestcoastpiet.com=0A =0A =0Ahttp://ww w.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Aht tp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 19, 2010
Subject: Re: Wing flop
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
The only advantage I have heard so far to adding a flop was to keep the su n off your head, but keeping the cold wind off my back sounds good too. Now I am glad I added a flop (even though its a hybrid flop with an opening). rick On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 8:53 AM, airlion wrote: > I do not have a flop, but I do have a curved opening over the rear pit fo r > easier ingress or egress. I would like to install a hinged cover out of > lexan over the top of the contour wing to keep wind off my back in the > winter. would this affect the aerodynamics ? Cheers, Gardiner Mason > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Gary Boothe > > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Mon, April 19, 2010 8:28:25 AM > *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing flop > > Chris, > > > Here=92s a pic I took of Larry Williams=92 Piet last year. Looks like he chose > to make the flop same width as the C/S, with the fairing attached. > > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (18 ribs down=85) > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris > *Sent:* Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:51 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Wing flop > > > I am installing a flop in the center of my wing and want to know if makin g

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