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Subject: In Dallas (Grand Prairie) on Sunday Evening
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 07, 2010
Would love to tour a project or see a completed plane. Please let me know if you have time, interest, and are not too far from Grand Prairie. kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil 512-422-6371 Thanks! -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304108#304108 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fuel at Brodhead
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 07, 2010
My apologies if this has been addressed recently: how's fuel set up at Brodhead? Cash/Check/Credit Card? Thanks, -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304112#304112 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fuel at Brodhead
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2010
Kevin, Fuel will be available for cash and check only - no credit cards. Ryan posted more details on the times during the day that fuel will be available. Fuel is also available 11 nm west at Monroe, WI or 24-ish nm ESE at Poplar Grove, IL. Dan -- yocum(at)gmail.com On Jul 7, 2010, at 7:06 PM, kevinpurtee wrote: > > My apologies if this has been addressed recently: how's fuel set up at Brodhead? Cash/Check/Credit Card? > > Thanks, > > -------- > Kevin Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Avionics thoughts
Date: Jul 07, 2010
I have an idea for a nav. Map=2C plotter=2C pencil and E6B. Got me to the arctic and back. Does anybody know how to do dead reconing any more? Ser iously=2C Unless you're doing an around the world stint do we really need a "nav" in a piet. Intercom=2C yes Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2010
Subject: Re: Fuel at Brodhead
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
I don't have a solid on the times of day that fuel will be available, but it should be available for a limited amount of time each day. Here is the word that I have received: the new fuel pumps are operational, but with some limitations. Technically, fuel cannot be sold to the general public. It can only be purchased by those who have bought into the fuel pump pool (Hawk-Aire shareholders who chose to buy in). This is for liability reasons. However, nothing says that someone couldn't pump fuel into your airplane and that you can't give them $4 per gallon for their trouble (this is an example, not hard numbers). I personally did not get any word on forms of payment, but I don't doubt the veracity of what Dan says. All in all it probably won't be much different than years past. They will work around the new rules and try to have fuel available for at least a number of hours each day. If you can't wait and need to gas up, take someone for a ride over to Monroe and back, as Dan pointed out. Same thing if you need to use a credit card... Ryan On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > Kevin, > > Fuel will be available for cash and check only - no credit cards. > > Ryan posted more details on the times during the day that fuel will be > available. > > Fuel is also available 11 nm west at Monroe, WI or 24-ish nm ESE at Poplar > Grove, IL. > > Dan > > -- > yocum(at)gmail.com > > On Jul 7, 2010, at 7:06 PM, kevinpurtee wrote: > > kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> > > > > My apologies if this has been addressed recently: how's fuel set up at > Brodhead? Cash/Check/Credit Card? > > > > Thanks, > > > > -------- > > Kevin Purtee > > NX899KP > > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com>
Subject: center flop thoughts
Date: Jul 07, 2010
I'm working on the center section of my Piet and after going thru some of t he archives=2C it seems there are many options on ways to do it - per the p lans=2C with and without flop=2C wider=2C etc... The flops I've seen in person tend to be only the length of the aileron but I'm wondering why couldn't a guy take the flop all the way to the rear spa r. I plan to cover the flop with tinted lexan for better visibility in tur ns. The ones I've seen also seem to be only about 2'-0" wide or just a sha de over but I'm thinking I might make mine the entire width of the center s ection. Has anyone does these ideas before or have any learnings or (opini ons)? I have the CC glued up but still working on the nose ribs. I had built two of them a while ago when I was going with a 3 foot section but when I chan ged to a 4'-0" section=2C realized I needed another. So=2C the middle one will be plywood most likely. Thanks=2C Tom B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Avionics thoughts
From: "flea" <jimgriggs(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2010
I don't know if its a "need" to have a nav unit or not, but I suspect that a pencil, map, and E6B in an open cockpit plane with 24" shoulder room might be a bit of a hassle. So maybe a nav unit of some type is a case of convenience more than necessity. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304134#304134 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2010
Subject: Re: Avionics thoughts
From: Gerry Holland <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
Hi! If the Aircraft has electrical system then no problem. (Cant remember the original spec.) If like me you have no electrical circuit then you have to resort to Hand held. The Icom A6 does a great job with headset accessory and lasts well. Just need to remember to charge it before flights. I'm going to add a 7 Amp Hour sealed Battery with cigarette lighter socket and that extends that life a long way. The A24 version has a Nav. feature. Regarding navigation. I'm using iPhone with our CAA Maps as an App. It is actual chart as per physical map and is used as back up reference to dead reckoning. (Really!) The 12V Battery supply with socket is essential in this application to ensure longer term supply for iPhone. A PDA or PND is also a great unit for this application. Take a look at http://www.pocketfms.com Both units are light and small for cockpit restricted use, only the battery weighs in heavier at about 6lbs. A chart in open cockpit can become a wrestling match as you know or unintended jettisoned load! If you are willing to add a battery that you recharge regularly then the 2.25" Transceivers and Trig Mode S Transponder are all very useable. The Transceiver I can recommend from personal purchase and have used is the XCOM 760. Very low power consumption + many other good features. Take a look. http://www.xcomavionics.com Made in US by NARCO. It's easy to spend some serious money in this area and after much research the XCOM was the best value and capability. The least expensive is the Flightline 760. Nice Unit and as low as $600 but it does have a significantly higher current drain. Not sure I've helped but at 75 mph you do have some time on your hands! Regards Gerry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: center flop thoughts
Date: Jul 07, 2010
Here's mine. I have clear lexan for it. Almost to spar. Just enough back for space for pulleys and cables. Clif The flops I've seen in person tend to be only the length of the aileron but I'm wondering why couldn't a guy take the flop all the way to the rear spar. I plan to cover the flop with tinted lexan for better visibility in turns. The ones I've seen also seem to be only about 2'-0" wide or just a shade over but I'm thinking I might make mine the entire width of the center section. Has anyone does these ideas before or have any learnings or (opinions)? Tom B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Avionics thoughts
Date: Jul 08, 2010
Actually. 24" is the outside dimension at the front cockpit. The rear cockpit is narrower, and the longerons are 1" wide apiece, so the shoulder width is something less than 22". And the wind is blowing. And every time you look down to check the map or fiddle with the computer, the plane changes heading by 45=B0. It all sounds doable until you try it. Having flown mine from North Carolina to Brodhead 3 times, Sun 'n' Fun once and Dulles Int'l once, I won't do it without a good GPS - it's just too much trouble. CAN I do it? - Yes. I flew a J-3 Cub from Tennessee to Texas with nothing but a compass and chart, but if GPS had been available ten I certainly would have used it. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flea Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 1:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Avionics thoughts I don't know if its a "need" to have a nav unit or not, but I suspect that a pencil, map, and E6B in an open cockpit plane with 24" shoulder room might be a bit of a hassle. So maybe a nav unit of some type is a case of convenience more than necessity. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304134#304134 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Avionics thoughts
From: rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca
Date: Jul 08, 2010
I only flew rag and tube airplanes with no electrics or avionics for most of my life. When I rented a 172 with a nav and a com for a cross country I was amazed at how much It eased my workload. I think it depends on the type of flying you do but for local flying I would not bother with any avionics. Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "flea" <jimgriggs(at)yahoo.com> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 22:30:17 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Avionics thoughts I don't know if its a "need" to have a nav unit or not, but I suspect that a pencil, map, and E6B in an open cockpit plane with 24" shoulder room might be a bit of a hassle. So maybe a nav unit of some type is a case of convenience more than necessity. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304134#304134 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: center flop thoughts
Date: Jul 08, 2010
Tom: the hinged flop on 41CC is the full width of the centersection and the full depth from trailing edge to rear spar. Works great. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Continental A75 Eyebrows
Date: Jul 08, 2010
Jack wrote- >Original cracking was on the bracket that attached >the left shroud to the rocker box covers. First the >left forward bracket broke, then the left rear, then >the right forward My exact experience with the A65, continuing now with the A75. I get fatigue cracking in one per year, because it seems like that has been a squawk at every annual. I have one cracking right now. I'm going to try your combination of metal type and thickness this time, since I need to rework the eyebrows anyway... it gets a little rough around the spark plug holes with dead-soft aluminum and clumsy wrenches and I may as well remake the eyebrows. PS, whoever mentioned that the eyebrows are mirror images forgot that the cylinder banks are staggered. See: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P3170002.JPG Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: FlyCorvair.com website update
Date: Jul 08, 2010
There is a new update on William Wynne's web site: http://flycorvair.com/hangar.html Some Piet pix on the page, including a great one of Shad and Gary Bell's Piet in flight. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2010
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows
Nice photo angle. I suggested they might be mirror images of each other in the tape form diatribe. Making a tape form is a pain and knowing it's a mirror image can spare you having to make two. Besides, despite being offset, they look an awful lot like mirror images to me. Are they not? Jim -----Original Message----- >From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> >Sent: Jul 8, 2010 8:47 AM >To: Pietenpol List >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows > > >Jack wrote- > >>Original cracking was on the bracket that attached >>the left shroud to the rocker box covers. First the >>left forward bracket broke, then the left rear, then >>the right forward > >My exact experience with the A65, continuing now with >the A75. I get fatigue cracking in one per year, because >it seems like that has been a squawk at every annual. I >have one cracking right now. > >I'm going to try your combination of metal type and >thickness this time, since I need to rework the eyebrows >anyway... it gets a little rough around the spark plug >holes with dead-soft aluminum and clumsy wrenches and >I may as well remake the eyebrows. > >PS, whoever mentioned that the eyebrows are mirror images >forgot that the cylinder banks are staggered. See: >http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P3170002.JPG > >Oscar Zuniga >Air Camper NX41CC >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2010
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows
As I think about it, can you add doublers to the places where the cracking is going on? Jim -----Original Message----- >From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> >Sent: Jul 8, 2010 8:47 AM >To: Pietenpol List >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows > > >Jack wrote- > >>Original cracking was on the bracket that attached >>the left shroud to the rocker box covers. First the >>left forward bracket broke, then the left rear, then >>the right forward > >My exact experience with the A65, continuing now with >the A75. I get fatigue cracking in one per year, because >it seems like that has been a squawk at every annual. I >have one cracking right now. > >I'm going to try your combination of metal type and >thickness this time, since I need to rework the eyebrows >anyway... it gets a little rough around the spark plug >holes with dead-soft aluminum and clumsy wrenches and >I may as well remake the eyebrows. > >PS, whoever mentioned that the eyebrows are mirror images >forgot that the cylinder banks are staggered. See: >http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P3170002.JPG > >Oscar Zuniga >Air Camper NX41CC >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 08, 2010
It's not evident from the camera angle, but if you want the leading edges of the eyebrows to be even with each other and equidistant from the rear of the prop, one eyebrow will be longer/deeper than the other. I hadn't thought of using doublers on the tabs. Others have mentioned making the tabs out of steel so that was what I was going to do instead of continuing to fuss with aluminum and fatigue cracks. However, I also found a crack in the metal "L"-piece that mounts to the top of the engine, that the aluminum eyebrow attaches to by the engine case parting line and that piece is light gauge steel. Vibration and the pulsing beat of the propwash take their toll. Maybe I should ditch this shaky old antique 4-banger and go with a smooth 6-cylinder Corvair instead ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304169#304169 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows
Date: Jul 08, 2010
That brings up a good point, Oscar. The angle bracket that the shrouds attach to on top of the engine should be made of steel. It gets trapped under the top cylinder base nuts and has to remain tightly torqued. If that bracket is aluminum over time it will relax and reduce the torque on those top nuts, which are required to hold the cylinders on. My brackets are .050" thick 4130 steel, with nutplates to attach the shrouds and those are the only parts on the whole shroud assembly that have given no trouble. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 9:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows It's not evident from the camera angle, but if you want the leading edges of the eyebrows to be even with each other and equidistant from the rear of the prop, one eyebrow will be longer/deeper than the other. I hadn't thought of using doublers on the tabs. Others have mentioned making the tabs out of steel so that was what I was going to do instead of continuing to fuss with aluminum and fatigue cracks. However, I also found a crack in the metal "L"-piece that mounts to the top of the engine, that the aluminum eyebrow attaches to by the engine case parting line and that piece is light gauge steel. Vibration and the pulsing beat of the propwash take their toll. Maybe I should ditch this shaky old antique 4-banger and go with a smooth 6-cylinder Corvair instead ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304169#304169 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Continental A75 Eyebrows
Date: Jul 08, 2010
Tried that. Apparently the eyebrows just take a heck of a beating from the slipstream (particularly the left one, since it always cracks first). Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows As I think about it, can you add doublers to the places where the cracking is going on? Jim -----Original Message----- >From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> >Sent: Jul 8, 2010 8:47 AM >To: Pietenpol List >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows > > >Jack wrote- > >>Original cracking was on the bracket that attached >>the left shroud to the rocker box covers. First the >>left forward bracket broke, then the left rear, then >>the right forward > >My exact experience with the A65, continuing now with >the A75. I get fatigue cracking in one per year, because >it seems like that has been a squawk at every annual. I >have one cracking right now. > >I'm going to try your combination of metal type and >thickness this time, since I need to rework the eyebrows >anyway... it gets a little rough around the spark plug >holes with dead-soft aluminum and clumsy wrenches and >I may as well remake the eyebrows. > >PS, whoever mentioned that the eyebrows are mirror images >forgot that the cylinder banks are staggered. See: >http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P3170002.JPG > >Oscar Zuniga >Air Camper NX41CC >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: center flop thoughts
From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 08, 2010
Mine is the dreaded GN-1 version but one thing that was very apparent when I hung it-bought this plane project with wings and center section and flop glued up. he made the flop the same width as the center section and once the wings were hung there is about 2" on each side gap since the space for connecting the wing root brackets has to be covered too so if you don't put the wings together with the center section or measure and add you'll need to allow for that space. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304181#304181 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Avionics thoughts
On 07/08/2010 01:02 AM, Gerry Holland wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gerry Holland<gholland@content-stream.co.uk> > Regarding navigation. I'm using iPhone with our CAA Maps as an App. It is > actual chart as per physical map and is used as back up reference to dead > reckoning. (Really!) The 12V Battery supply with socket is essential in this > application to ensure longer term supply for iPhone. A PDA or PND is also a > great unit for this application. Take a look at http://www.pocketfms.com > Both units are light and small for cockpit restricted use, only the battery > weighs in heavier at about 6lbs. OK. I will admit that I *do* use my iPhone with MotionX GPS app ($2.99) to get me from point A to point B from time-to-time, but now that I know the area better, I generally just use it to log my flight path to see how much time I've spent flying. The battery life on the iPhone is pretty short when you're running a GPS app in the foreground, so I bought an xPal Energizer 18000 battery pack. It's got 18000mH of power which will run my iPhone continually for 50+ hours between recharges. It weighs in at 17.5oz (0.22kg). I mount it on the side wall of the fuse with velcro tabs. Here's the URL for the battery: http://www.energizerpowerpacks.com/us/products/xp18000/ Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2010
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Blast cabinet impressions
Last week I printed off some of the material on westcoastpiet.com for later perusal. I've been sick this week, so I've had the opportunity to catch up on some of it as I try to behave myself and get well. I've been reading the article about the wooden cabinet sandblaster and this has been a tool on my list for some time. I bought a 55-gallon drum a couple years ago with the intentions of cobbling together a blast cabinet, but I think I like this wood one better as I read about it. I was curious if anybody (Jim Markle?) here has built and used one of these enough to be able to comment on its up and down sides. Jim Ash ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Ohio Corvair Fly-IN - Part 2
Kip, I will try to fly up early on sat morning, and leave around 10:30 am. - I would like to stay longer but I have a wedding I have to go to at 1. - Shad Bell NX92GB Corvair Do not arcive=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Blast cabinet impressions
From: "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 08, 2010
Jim, Years ago I built a wooden cabinet sandblaster. You will need to line it with sheet metal, rubber or nylon immediately. If you make your window from tempered glass ask the Glass Co. for "salvage plate" and have several cut right off the bat. Salvage plate is exactly that...salvage from storefronts. It is normally cheaper. Depending on what you are blasting and the amount of ricochet....you can frost a window over in a couple of hours. You might want to price out the components and then with that budget watch Craigslist. You can pick up a nice used Trinco pretty reasonable right now. As always you will have more $$ into the homebuilt unit than you initially think. -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304196#304196 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Materials List
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 08, 2010
I know this wasn't requested, but with several new interested parties on the boards, I figured I'd offer a list that has been very helpful to me. This might be published elsewhere, but it was forwarded to me by someone here (probably Markle) and I reference it often when trying to decide which pieces to use for certain assemblies. The original list that I received was compiled by Bob McKinley. I think he must have been one of the Ohio guys as there was a Buckeye Piet sketch in the margin, but I'm not sure. Certainly someone here knows of him. The list I recieved was a scanned image of an old document that was typed up on a typewriter, and some of the notes were difficult to make out. If I had that file I would offer it too, but I'm afraid I've deleted it, or at least misplaced it among all my Pietenpol goodies. Anyhow, I used Bob's list to inventory my wood kit when it was delivered. It was pretty close to right on... the spar thickness was different (3/4" instead of 1"), and Aircraft Spruce offered a couple of additional parts in the tail section (I've noted all of these on the new list), otherwise it is very handy in helping to sort out all the parts one might need to assemble this airplane, whether you choose to purchase a kit or cut your own parts. All of Bob's notes are included in the notes section, but I've added a few of my own to this modern version too IN BOLD. I hope this helps some of you as much as it has helped me. -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304199#304199 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/material_list_502.pdf ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Blast cabinet impressions
Date: Jul 08, 2010
Blast cabinets need not be hard. I made a very serviceable cabinet out a medium large cardboard box, half a roll of duct tape, a 2 foot square piece of scrap glass and a fifteen dollar blast gun from Harbor Freight 7 years ago. Still using it. Just be sure your air compressor will put out sufficient volumne and don,t cheap out on the blast media. Glass beads work best. Jeff Wilson N899WT St. Louis 'Flyin Low and Slow' ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Blast cabinet impressions
I did build it and love it! I'm using some of that thick "store front" glass and that has also worked very well. "Regular" glass will definitely frost over pretty quickly. I used a cheap Campbell Hausfeld gun (from WalMart) and it has worked very well for me. Sure couldn't hurt to line the inside with metal, but I didn't. I can see where the wood has been eaten away a bit. But after many hours of use, no real issue on mine. Aside from the "standard" shop tools, I would say that cabinet and my cheap metal cutting band saw are the two most used pieces of equipment in my workshop. Love them both! I would also add a basic powdercoating setup (around $100 from Eastwood). It's great to be able to sandblast then powdercoat (and not just airplane parts!) immediately. jm -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> >Sent: Jul 8, 2010 10:36 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Blast cabinet impressions > > >Last week I printed off some of the material on westcoastpiet.com for later perusal. I've been sick this week, so I've had the opportunity to catch up on some of it as I try to behave myself and get well. I've been reading the article about the wooden cabinet sandblaster and this has been a tool on my list for some time. I bought a 55-gallon drum a couple years ago with the intentions of cobbling together a blast cabinet, but I think I like this wood one better as I read about it. > >I was curious if anybody (Jim Markle?) here has built and used one of these enough to be able to comment on its up and down sides. > >Jim Ash > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Gun info... Blast cabinet impressions
In case anyone is interested: Here's the sandblasting gun info: http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/Campbell-Hausfeld-AT1226/p156.html I would also add that a large compressor is a good idea. Mine is (I think) 26 gal at 125psi....maybe less psi...but I have to stop and wait for it to catch up if I'm doing continuous blasting.... And the powdercoating info (I was a bit off on my price) if you're interested: http://www.eastwood.com/hotcoat-deluxe-powder-coat-kit.html jm -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> >Sent: Jul 8, 2010 12:51 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Blast cabinet impressions > >I did build it and love it! I'm using some of that thick "store front" glass and that has also worked very well. "Regular" glass will definitely frost over pretty quickly. I used a cheap Campbell Hausfeld gun (from WalMart) and it has worked very well for me. > >Sure couldn't hurt to line the inside with metal, but I didn't. I can see where the wood has been eaten away a bit. But after many hours of use, no real issue on mine. > >Aside from the "standard" shop tools, I would say that cabinet and my cheap metal cutting band saw are the two most used pieces of equipment in my workshop. Love them both! > >I would also add a basic powdercoating setup (around $100 from Eastwood). It's great to be able to sandblast then powdercoat (and not just airplane parts!) immediately. > >jm > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> >>Sent: Jul 8, 2010 10:36 AM >>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Blast cabinet impressions >> >> >> >>Last week I printed off some of the material on westcoastpiet.com for later perusal. I've been sick this week, so I've had the opportunity to catch up on some of it as I try to behave myself and get well. I've been reading the article about the wooden cabinet sandblaster and this has been a tool on my list for some time. I bought a 55-gallon drum a couple years ago with the intentions of cobbling together a blast cabinet, but I think I like this wood one better as I read about it. >> >>I was curious if anybody (Jim Markle?) here has built and used one of these enough to be able to comment on its up and down sides. >> >>Jim Ash >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: center flop thoughts
Mine goes right back to the center fuel tank.=0AMine ia a GN-1 aircamper. =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tm brant(at)msn.com>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" =0ASent: Wed, July 7, 2010 11:24:20 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: ce nter flop thoughts=0A=0AI'm working on the center section of my Piet and af ter going thru some of the =0Aarchives, it seems there are many options on ways to do it - per the plans, with =0Aand without flop, wider, etc...=0A =0AThe flops I've seen in person tend to be only the length of the aileron but I'm =0Awondering why couldn't a guy take the flop all the way to the re ar spar.- I plan =0Ato cover the flop with tinted lexan for better visibi lity in turns.- The ones =0AI've seen also seem to be only about 2'-0" wi de or just a shade over but I'm =0Athinking I might make mine the entire wi dth of the center section.- Has anyone =0Adoes these ideas before or have any learnings or (opinions)?=0A=0AI have the CC glued up but still working on the nose ribs.- I had built two of =0Athem a while ago when I was goi ng with a 3 foot section but when I changed to a =0A4'-0" section, realized I needed another.- So, the middle one will be plywood =0Amost likely.=0A ======================== =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: center flop thoughts
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 08, 2010
Now, see... Harvey's setup addresses the wide wing gaps at the flop by incorporating wing gap seal strips on the flop itself. Very nice solution. -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304220#304220 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: center flop thoughts
I would love to take credit for that but my AME is the one who came up with that =0Aidea.Also the wing gap covers themselves are very nicely designed by him with =0Atightening strap and bolt at the ends.He is a very smart man .I think he has =0Alived three life times.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________ ______________=0AFrom: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-li st(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, July 8, 2010 2:30:25 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol- taildrags" =0A=0ANow, see... Harvey's setup addresse s the wide wing gaps at the flop by =0Aincorporating wing gap seal strips o n the flop itself.- Very nice solution.=0A=0A--------=0AOscar Zuniga=0ASa n Antonio, TX=0AAir Camper NX41CC=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here :=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304220#304220=0A=0A=0A =================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: wing root covers for GN-1
you may have to blow the picture up a bit but you can see them there on eit - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List ====== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: center flop thoughts
Date: Jul 08, 2010
yep - this is what I planned on doing. A "lip" or gap seal over the top at tached to the flop and one underneath attached to the wing. My gap should be around 2" > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: center flop thoughts > From: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > Date: Thu=2C 8 Jul 2010 11:30:25 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > Now=2C see... Harvey's setup addresses the wide wing gaps at the flop by incorporating wing gap seal strips on the flop itself. Very nice solution. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio=2C TX > Air Camper NX41CC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304220#304220 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: wing root covers for GN-1
That is a nice looking Air Camper! I love the picture of the prop in motion.... Very nice Harvey..... jm -----Original Message----- From: H RULE Sent: Jul 8, 2010 6:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing root covers for GN-1 you may have to blow the picture up a bit but you can see them there on either side of the center section http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List< ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 08, 2010
Well, I bought the "new" style oil pressure valve spring and installed it, tonight. Then I fired the old girl up and watched the pressure spike at 60psi while it warmed up. After about 5 minutes the temp was at 40C and the pressure was on it's way down to 50-55psi. I took off and tooled around the field for about 40 minutes. The temp got up to 75C and the pressure never got below 39psi with the throttle at the firewall, 2300rpm. When I entered the pattern and pulled it back to 1400 the pressure dropped to 28. Pulled up to the hangar and pulled it back to idle, pressure dropped to 15. I pushed the throttle up to 1300-1400 and the pressure "popped" back up to 30-35. Back to idle, back to 15psi. Back to 1300, back to 30. So, the new spring definitely helps. But, is it a bandaid? Or is it a solution that will work until the pump gets worse? I'll spend a couple more hours in 'er in the next couple of weeks, but it looks I'll be flying to Brodhead. :-D Dan -- yocum137(at)gmail.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: That "Other" Fly-in...
From: "gtche98" <garywilson213(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2010
Unfortunately, I am not going to be able to make it to Brodhead this year, but I will be spending most of the following week at that little fly-in/airshow up in Oshkosh. Will any of you be making the trip to Oshkosh (with or without a Piet)? Is anyone aware of any Piet forums this year? Would like to meet some of you in person if possible. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304313#304313 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
Hooray! > > >I'll spend a couple more hours in 'er in the next couple of weeks, >but it looks I'll be flying to Brodhead. :-D > >Dan > >-- >yocum137(at)gmail.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: That "Other" Fly-in...
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 09, 2010
I'll be at both events, but not with an airplane. -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304326#304326 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: That "Other" Fly-in...
Date: Jul 09, 2010
Dan, you say Doc Mosher is talking on Thursday morning at 10am. When does the fly-in start? I thought it was Friday. Many people have said differing things. Jeff Wilson N899WT St. Louis ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: That "Other" Fly-in...
Date: Jul 09, 2010
Dan, you say Doc Mosher is talking on Thursday morning at 10am. When does the fly-in start? I thought it was Friday. Many people have said differing things. Jeff Wilson N899WT St. Louis ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: That "Other" Fly-in...
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 09, 2010
Jeff... I'm pretty sure that Dan is talking about Thursday, July 29th at Oshkosh. You know... that "other" fly in. -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304332#304332 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2010
Subject: Re: That "Other" Fly-in...
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Jeff, Dan was referring to the forum Doc will be presenting up at Oshkosh on Thursday 7/29: http://www.eaaapps.org/moreinfo.aspx?id=1762 <http://www.eaaapps.org/moreinfo.aspx?id=1762>"The Zen of Pietenpol Homebuilts" The dates for the Brodhead Piet fly-in are Thursday, July 22 through Saturday, July 24, per the BPA newsletter and Chapter 431 website. You can stay through to Sunday, but I think they changed it to not list it as an official day because the place clears out pretty quick on Sunday anyhow, what with people heading up to Oshkosh or back home. The "forum" schedule is in the BPA newsletter, and also on the 431 site: http://www.eaa431.org/ Here's the blurb from the 431 website: ---------------------------------- * * *35th Annual Pietenpol Reunion and Hatz Fly-in* ***July 23-25, 2010.* EAA Chapter 431 will be hosting supper on Thursday, Friday and Saturday evenings. Thursday evening=92s menu is Pork BBQ, Friday night will be the traditional fish boil, and Saturday night is the traditional Pork Chop Dinner. BBQ sandwiches, hot dogs, chili dogs and chips will be available a t the service window from 11am'2pm daily. Saturday morning is hot breakfas t. Camping on the airport is allowed with a suggested small donation to the Brodhead Chapter. ---------------------------------- Ryan On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Jeff wilson wrote: > > Dan, you say Doc Mosher is talking on Thursday morning at 10am. When does > the fly-in start? I thought it was Friday. Many people have said differin g > things. > > Jeff Wilson > N899WT > St. Louis > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: That "Other" Fly-in...
Date: Jul 09, 2010
Two or three of the Big Piets are coming to Brodhead and Airventure. We will be departing Georgia on Thursday am and maybe have an overnight at Frasca Field in Urbana. Doc talked Frank into having a seminar at Brodhead about group building the 6 Big Piets and now the pressure is on. If we get any suggestions for topics, we can modify our seminar to encompass any subject about building 6 planes in 6 years. Post anything you would like to hear. If you want to plan a time for all to get together at Oshkosh, I can send you my cell # and can work it into my schedule of duties. Barry Davis -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gtche98 Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 9:27 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: That "Other" Fly-in... --> Unfortunately, I am not going to be able to make it to Brodhead this year, but I will be spending most of the following week at that little fly-in/airshow up in Oshkosh. Will any of you be making the trip to Oshkosh (with or without a Piet)? Is anyone aware of any Piet forums this year? Would like to meet some of you in person if possible. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304313#304313 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: TGWP on DVD
Date: Jul 09, 2010
Hello, good people! Your prayers have been answered: http://www.historicaviation.com/product_info.po?ID=21435&product=Videos&category=flying&subcategory=Flying%20Adventures Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2010
I swear, I can't win for losing! Took a ride up to Poplar Grove tonight and the oil temp got up to 82C and the pressure wouldn't go *below* 52psi durin g cruise and at idle it was at 35. I mean, seriously. Excuse my French, but Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?? I'm now fairly convinced the pressure gauge is flakier than my Aunt Ethel, t he way it pops around, but do I put the "old" style spring back in? Jeez! Any one care to venture a guess? Befuddled in Illinois -- yocum(at)gmail.com > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: TGWP on DVD
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 10, 2010
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Subject: Piet Wreck
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 10, 2010
We were parked next to a nice Piet at the recent Ranger, TX fly-in. On his way home he took off without full fuel. He ended up landing short of his destination due to gas with no incident. He got gas and then balled it up on takeoff. I don't believe he was injured. Here's the NTSB link courtesy of lurker Matt Wash: http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id 100602X24234&ntsbno=CEN10CA288&akey=1 BTW: if he checks this forum, I'd like him to contact me at kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil. I gave his partner some money for a brass Piet plate & I'd like to get it. -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304390#304390 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piet Wreck
From: "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 10, 2010
At least he is ok, but what a tragedy. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304399#304399 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
Date: Jul 10, 2010
I think I'd change out the oil pressure gauge. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 10, 2010
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From: Jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
Date: Jul 10, 2010
Remember fluid will not compress but air will, so if there's air in the li ne or the gauge that may explain it. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 10, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
Already ordered a new one from ACS this morning. I can see where air in the line would cause the popping and bouncing around, but after a while it should reach a steady state that should equal the actual pressure of the system, right? Anyway, changing the spring back isn't that big of a deal, so while I wait for the gauge, I'll try that. On a similar note, I don't own the Bingelis "Firewall Forward" tome - is there any sage advice in there on how to properly connect or bleed the oil pressure line to the gauge? Thanks, Dan On 07/10/2010 10:23 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga > > > I think I'd change out the oil pressure gauge. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
Date: Jul 10, 2010
Dan, You can bleed the oil pressure line by SLIGHTLY loosening the connection fitting at the gauge with the engine running. About 1/4 to 1/2 turn is all you need. As soon as you get a drop or two of oil simply re-tighten the fitting. It will only take a few seconds. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum(at)fnal.gov> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 1:46 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New cylinder - low oil pressure? > > Already ordered a new one from ACS this morning. > > I can see where air in the line would cause the popping and bouncing > around, but after a while it should reach a steady state that should equal > the actual pressure of the system, right? > > Anyway, changing the spring back isn't that big of a deal, so while I wait > for the gauge, I'll try that. > > On a similar note, I don't own the Bingelis "Firewall Forward" tome - is > there any sage advice in there on how to properly connect or bleed the oil > pressure line to the gauge? > > Thanks, > Dan > > > On 07/10/2010 10:23 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar >> Zuniga >> >> >> I think I'd change out the oil pressure gauge. >> >> Oscar Zuniga >> Air Camper NX41CC >> San Antonio, TX >> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com >> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >> >> >> > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 10, 2010
Subject: Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Have aluminum eyebrows on my Corvair also that will probably start cracking after a few hundred hours too. The third law of thermodynamics - nature tends toward increased randomness, and a cracked eyebrow (or anything else) is more random than a perfect one. rick On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 7:24 AM, taildrags wrote: > > It's not evident from the camera angle, but if you want the leading edges > of the eyebrows to be even with each other and equidistant from the rear of > the prop, one eyebrow will be longer/deeper than the other. > > I hadn't thought of using doublers on the tabs. Others have mentioned > making the tabs out of steel so that was what I was going to do instead of > continuing to fuss with aluminum and fatigue cracks. However, I also found > a crack in the metal "L"-piece that mounts to the top of the engine, that > the aluminum eyebrow attaches to by the engine case parting line and that > piece is light gauge steel. Vibration and the pulsing beat of the propwash > take their toll. > > Maybe I should ditch this shaky old antique 4-banger and go with a smooth > 6-cylinder Corvair instead ;o) > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > Air Camper NX41CC > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304169#304169 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 10, 2010
Mine haven't started cracking at the tabs, but they're reinforced. I'm sure they're original - 420+ hours: http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/v/airplanes/N8031/img_2551.jpg.htm l?g2_imageViewsIndex=1 -- yocum(at)gmail.com On Jul 10, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Rick Holland wrote: > Have aluminum eyebrows on my Corvair also that will probably start crackin g after a few hundred hours too. The third law of thermodynamics - nature te nds toward increased randomness, and a cracked eyebrow (or anything else) i s more random than a perfect one. > > rick > > On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 7:24 AM, taildrags wrote: > > It's not evident from the camera angle, but if you want the leading edges o f the eyebrows to be even with each other and equidistant from the rear of t he prop, one eyebrow will be longer/deeper than the other. > > I hadn't thought of using doublers on the tabs. Others have mentioned mak ing the tabs out of steel so that was what I was going to do instead of cont inuing to fuss with aluminum and fatigue cracks. However, I also found a cr ack in the metal "L"-piece that mounts to the top of the engine, that the al uminum eyebrow attaches to by the engine case parting line and that piece is light gauge steel. Vibration and the pulsing beat of the propwash take the ir toll. > > Maybe I should ditch this shaky old antique 4-banger and go with a smooth 6 -cylinder Corvair instead ;o) > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > Air Camper NX41CC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304169#304169 > > > > > > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Blast cabinet impressions
Date: Jul 10, 2010
Jim I have built 3 different blast cabinets based loosely on the Chris Bobka design paper on my web page. You can see the first two here. http://westcoastpiet.com/chris_tracy.htm The third one is my best design yet. See attached pictures I have very little room for things in the garage so I built my blaster to hang on the wall next to the powder coating oven. To save space below it for the band saw, I elected to push the media back into a supply well hanging off the bottom. It is made out of 3/8th inch plywood I had lying around. The plywood on the back does show some wear. I think if this one wears out, I will build one out of metal, but I will probably just glue a piece of metal on the back and it will last for ever. I am surprised how much I use it and cant imagine welding without one. I used safety glass on the first box but it frosted over and was expensive to replace. Since my second box I have used Plexiglas. I have been using the same piece of Plexiglas for 3 years and you can see in the picture it is still very clear. The trick is to cover it with clear plastic wrap used to cover food. Replace the plastic when it frosts over. With my setup as long as I don't blast directly at the plastic it will last a long long time. I made it easy to remove the Plexiglas so I can replace the plastic wrap. The homemade light sits on top of the box on the outside It has another Plexiglas window the full length of the cabinet but this one is protected by a piece of plastic used for florescent ceiling lights. This is the best lighted blast cabinet I have ever used. I run a 20 gallon 5 hp 100% duty cycle compressor set to 80 psi. I have trouble with water developing in my air supply when I use it hard. I liked the Campbell Hosfeld gun I wore out much better then the gun I have now. I can't imagine it cost me over $50 to build. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 8:36 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Blast cabinet impressions Last week I printed off some of the material on westcoastpiet.com for later perusal. I've been sick this week, so I've had the opportunity to catch up on some of it as I try to behave myself and get well. I've been reading the article about the wooden cabinet sandblaster and this has been a tool on my list for some time. I bought a 55-gallon drum a couple years ago with the intentions of cobbling together a blast cabinet, but I think I like this wood one better as I read about it. I was curious if anybody (Jim Markle?) here has built and used one of these enough to be able to comment on its up and down sides. Jim Ash ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Todd Pryby" <tpryby(at)cox.net>
Subject: Airplane Plans
Date: Jul 11, 2010
Does anyone know if the plans for building a Pietenpol will be on hand Oshkosh for purchase? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Airplane Plans
I really doubt it. They are only available from the Pietenpol family, and it is a small scale operation that doesn't run a booth or anything. You can probably find a copy of the original plans as published in the only Flying and Glider magazine back in the 30's that will give you an idea what the construction is like. The EAA sells reprints, and you should be able to find a copy in one of their stores there. Here is the link to the website where you can order plans: http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/Product.html Better yet, stop by Brodhead the weekend before OSH, and maybe someone will have a set of plans there you can look at. Ben Charvet On 7/11/2010 8:30 AM, Todd Pryby wrote: > > Does anyone know if the plans for building a Pietenpol will be on hand > Oshkosh for purchase? > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
Date: Jul 11, 2010
I'm not sure about the high/low readings=2C but do you have an orifice in t he syustem anywhere?? That would take care of the bouncing reading. The f itting out of the back of the engine should be an orifice fitting=2C or you could solder up the fitting and drill a tiny hole. Like I said=2C this wo uld only take care of the larege fluctuations. Gene Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? From: yocum137(at)gmail.com Date: Fri=2C 9 Jul 2010 20:04:16 -0500 I swear=2C I can't win for losing! Took a ride up to Poplar Grove tonight and the oil temp got up to 82C and the pressure wouldn't go *below* 52psi d uring cruise and at idle it was at 35. I mean=2C seriously. Excuse my Fren ch=2C but Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?? I'm now fairly convinced the pressure gauge is flakier than my Aunt Ethel =2C the way it pops around=2C but do I put the "old" style spring back in? Jeez! Any one care to venture a guess? Befuddled in Illinois -- yocum(at)gmail.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Continental A75 Eyebrows
Date: Jul 11, 2010
Wow, Dan... that is quite a long engine mount on your airplane. Reminds me of the mount on Ernie Moreno's airplane with the Franklin engine... quite an extended mount. I see what you mean about those reinforced tabs on your eyebrow mounts. Maybe that's what I'll try, since yours seem to be very simple and obviously have held up. Add some doublers to the eyebrows and then just use straight tabs. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows
Yeah, she's got a long snout. She matches her owner. ;-) Apparently there was a W&B issue with N8031 - this new mount was added in '99 and is 8" longer than the original. The quality of the welding is top-notch. With a passenger, I still need to apply quite a lot of forward trim to keep it level. Or maybe I need to take Greg's cue and only allow pretty young girls in the front seat. :-D Dan On 07/11/2010 09:46 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga > > > Wow, Dan... that is quite a long engine mount on > your airplane. Reminds me of the mount on Ernie > Moreno's airplane with the Franklin engine... quite > an extended mount. > > I see what you mean about those reinforced tabs on > your eyebrow mounts. Maybe that's what I'll try, > since yours seem to be very simple and obviously > have held up. Add some doublers to the eyebrows > and then just use straight tabs. -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: weight & balance- NX41CC
Date: Jul 11, 2010
A new weight & balance was performed on Air Camper 41CC yesterday, since a major change was made to the airplane (engine change from A65 to A75). I am very pleased with the results. Left main, 307#; right main, 304#; tailwheel 25# for a total empty weight of 636 with 3 qts. of oil. This is an increase of only 3 lbs. over the A65, and almost entirely attributable to the addition of a smoke system mount on the firewall and stainless steel exhaust stacks on the engine. Everything else was pretty much a wash. Electronic, digital, factory-calibrated, race car scales were used and EAA Life Member and Chapter 35 Tech Counselor Norris Warner (Col., USAF, Ret.) conducted the operation. The airplane remains within 6 lbs. of the empty weight that it sported when Corky first signed it off on 9/28/02, and this despite me constantly adding things to it. The Hoopman plans show an empty weight of 610 lbs. for the Air Camper, but that was without a steerable tailwheel, turn & bank, venturi, vertical speed indicator, ELT, VHF COMM antenna with ground plane and coax cable, or seatbelts and shoulder harness. Corky built the airplane about as light as they can be built. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows
Attached is a pic from the FlyBaby site, in which the builder, Chuck Bayard, used the eyebrow design from the Cub Club. (The design template is available for a $10 fee, after you have paid, I think, to join the Cub Club.) Anyway, as you can see, the design features a long horizontal doubler, perhaps of steel, behind the scoop of the eyebrow. I like Dan's tabs better, but Bayard's offsets on his tabs are nice. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Oscar Zuniga >Sent: Jul 11, 2010 10:46 AM >To: Pietenpol List >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows > > > >Wow, Dan... that is quite a long engine mount on >your airplane. Reminds me of the mount on Ernie >Moreno's airplane with the Franklin engine... quite >an extended mount. > >I see what you mean about those reinforced tabs on >your eyebrow mounts. Maybe that's what I'll try, >since yours seem to be very simple and obviously >have held up. Add some doublers to the eyebrows >and then just use straight tabs. > >Oscar Zuniga >Air Camper NX41CC >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2010
I like the setup in this picture even better than the one Dan has, because the eyebrows fit closer to the tops of the cylinders and hold more of the cooling air inside the eyebrow and down through the fins. Dan's seem to stand clear of the cylinders a good 1/2" or more. Combine this with the wire-rolled leading edges and it should be just about the ideal setup. Now all I have to do is take the airplane out of service while I build new eyebrows for it ;o) (although I guess I could do the "molded tape" exercise, or stiff card stock, and not take the airplane out of service while I build new eyebrows?!) -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304522#304522 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Corvair magneto
From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2010
I am still not happy with the requirements for a transponder to be installed on an aircraft with an electrical system. I am looking for an affordable plug-in style mag for my Corvair.I'd be interested in hearing from anyone that might be running a mag on a Corvair.or someone that might have one to sell or trade.I wonder if there would be any way to have a for sale or trade section with this site like the Kansas city Dawn patrol does but probably not since it doesn't seem to be the same type of site. as you can tell I am not very computer literate.but I have several items that I am not using that might be of use to other builders like probably most on this site do.so if you know anywhere to find a mag for some more reasonable price that the race shops Id appreciate a heads up.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304526#304526 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Landing gear height
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Date: Jul 11, 2010
I am going to start my main landing gear this week I hope. The only height I can find on the drawings is 51" to the top of the top longeron with it level. That seems pretty high. You builders out there chime in here. I am using 21" spoke wheels but that should not be an issue. I assume using 6.00 X 6 tires it would be the same. Can't find anything in the archives. I would like some feedback on this. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304533#304533 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Corvair magneto/transponder cost?
I've never heard of a magneto for the corvair. There is a Pietenpol at my airport with a Corvair and the builder didn't install an engine driven charging system. The simple point ignition system will operate a long time on a battery charge, and that is what this builder did. I believe William Wynn mentions this option in his book. How much does a transponder cost anyway? There have been a few times it would have been nice to have one. Ben Charvet NX866BC (A-65 powered) On 7/11/2010 9:07 PM, skellytown flyer wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "skellytown flyer" > > I am still not happy with the requirements for a transponder to be installed on an aircraft with an electrical system. I am looking for an affordable plug-in style mag for my Corvair.I'd be interested in hearing from anyone that might be running a mag on a Corvair.or someone that might have one to sell or trade.I wonder if there would be any way to have a for sale or trade section with this site like the Kansas city Dawn patrol does but probably not since it doesn't seem to be the same type of site. as you can tell I am not very computer literate.but I have several items that I am not using that might be of use to other builders like probably most on this site do.so if you know anywhere to find a mag for some more reasonable price that the race shops Id appreciate a heads up.Raymond > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304526#304526 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Landing gear height
That sounds about right to me. You could reverse engineer this. I believe you need 9 inches of clearance from the ground to your prop when in the level attitude, so figure where your prop centerline will be and measure down from there. I think I used the figure on the plans, though. The length of the gear needs to be designed around how tall your wheels are. I did some general research about where the wheels should be placed relative to your CG, but then I had to move my wing back 4 inches to get the CG to work out. Another factor is the deck angle in the 3-point stance, which as I remember should be around 11 degrees. Having said all that, you probably can't go to far wrong by just going by the plans. When the airplane is sitting on the tailwheel, the edge if the pilot's seat is a lot lower, and I can still easily throw my leg over it. Now that my airplane is finished and flying, I really miss all this problem solving. I need a new project! Ben Charvet On 7/11/2010 9:31 PM, Jerry Dotson wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson" > > I am going to start my main landing gear this week I hope. The only height I can find on the drawings is 51" to the top of the top longeron with it level. That seems pretty high. You builders out there chime in here. I am using 21" spoke wheels but that should not be an issue. I assume using 6.00 X 6 tires it would be the same. Can't find anything in the archives. I would like some feedback on this. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > Ribs and tailfeathers done > using Lycoming O-235 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304533#304533 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Landing gear height
Date: Jul 11, 2010
Jerry, I'll measure tomorrow, but my method (also with 21" Harley Sportster wheels) was to set the upper longeron angle at 13 deg, and establish the length of the landing gear struts from there (tailwheel needs to be installed). I did not follow the widely accepted, Chris Tracy up-side-down method, for no other reason than laziness, but the process of cutting all the struts only took a couple hours on a table saw. Rolling it out the door for the first time is a great feeling....best of luck to you! Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 6:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height I am going to start my main landing gear this week I hope. The only height I can find on the drawings is 51" to the top of the top longeron with it level. That seems pretty high. You builders out there chime in here. I am using 21" spoke wheels but that should not be an issue. I assume using 6.00 X 6 tires it would be the same. Can't find anything in the archives. I would like some feedback on this. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304533#304533 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2010
Subject: Re: Corvair magneto/transponder cost?
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
There is a product from "back in the day" called Vertex Magnetos....produced by a company called Taylor Cable: http://www.taylorvertex.com/ They used to make a six cylinder version of the magneto that would purportedly work in a Corvair, although I have never read of any that flew with one. Either way, they no longer produce a six cylinder Vertex magneto, only eight and four cylinder versions. Kind of a moot point for Raymond, as he does not need to have a transponder, therefore no need to try to save money by buying a magneto (which would actually be more expensive and more "experimental"). Have a good night, Ryan On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Ben Charvet wrote: > > I've never heard of a magneto for the corvair. There is a Pietenpol at my > airport with a Corvair and the builder didn't install an engine driven > charging system. The simple point ignition system will operate a long time > on a battery charge, and that is what this builder did. I believe William > Wynn mentions this option in his book. How much does a transponder cost > anyway? There have been a few times it would have been nice to have one. > > > Ben Charvet > NX866BC > (A-65 powered) > > > On 7/11/2010 9:07 PM, skellytown flyer wrote: > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "skellytown flyer"< >> skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> >> >> I am still not happy with the requirements for a transponder to be >> installed on an aircraft with an electrical system. I am looking for an >> affordable plug-in style mag for my Corvair.I'd be interested in hearing >> from anyone that might be running a mag on a Corvair.or someone that might >> have one to sell or trade.I wonder if there would be any way to have a for >> sale or trade section with this site like the Kansas city Dawn patrol does >> but probably not since it doesn't seem to be the same type of site. as you >> can tell I am not very computer literate.but I have several items that I am >> not using that might be of use to other builders like probably most on this >> site do.so if you know anywhere to find a mag for some more reasonable price >> that the race shops Id appreciate a heads up.Raymond >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304526#304526 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2010
Subject: Re: Corvair magneto
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
There is no FAR saying that aircraft with electrical systems (engine driven or otherwise) must have a transponder. You do not need one......as long as you are going to avoid airspace that requires that you have one. The clearest explanation that has been posted here before was a Q&A between Chuck Gantzer and Cy Galley (NOTE: I edited for brevity): ------------------------- Question: If an aircraft has an engine driven electrical system, does the FAR's require it to have a transponder ? Thank you Chuck Gantzer Answer: The answer is NO... but if you want to fly thru or land at class C, then you not only need a transponder plus an encoder. You sometimes can get a waiver for one airport but it is a hassle. If you don't have an engine driven electrical system then you can wander thru the class C. I got a transponder and encoder as I am based at a Class C airport. I contemplated getting a waiver BUT having a transponder helps prevent jets from backing into me (TCAS). Encoder is cheap ($200)... Transponder is couple thousand with install. Cy Galley ------------------------- So there you have it. Unless where you fly from or where you plan on flying to requires you to have a transponder to enter that airspace, you do not need one with a Corvair powered aircraft. Ryan P.S.: I mentioned in another reply: Vertex Magnetos used to available in a six cylinder version that would purportedly work on a Corvair, but they are no longer available. If you could find one it would most likely be more expensive than a used transponder anyhow. On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:07 PM, skellytown flyer wrote: > skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> > > I am still not happy with the requirements for a transponder to be > installed on an aircraft with an electrical system. I am looking for an > affordable plug-in style mag for my Corvair.I'd be interested in hearing > from anyone that might be running a mag on a Corvair.or someone that might > have one to sell or trade.I wonder if there would be any way to have a for > sale or trade section with this site like the Kansas city Dawn patrol does > but probably not since it doesn't seem to be the same type of site. as you > can tell I am not very computer literate.but I have several items that I am > not using that might be of use to other builders like probably most on this > site do.so if you know anywhere to find a mag for some more reasonable price > that the race shops Id appreciate a heads up.Raymond > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304526#304526 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Landing gear height
Date: Jul 11, 2010
Mine is 52" to the top of top longeron with 3.50X19 wheels. Don't forget that the engine centerline is below the longeron. mine is down 4". So that makes 47" to the center of the prop. If you have a 72" prop then the tip is only 11" from the ground until you have a hard encounter in a level attitude. :-) And don't say it'l never happen. How many times I've heard those words and........ How many times I'VE said those words andddd....... :-) Clif "If we love flying so much why are we in a hurry to get there?" > I am going to start my main landing gear this week I hope. The only height > I > can find on the drawings is 51" to the top of the top longeron with it > level. That seems pretty high. You builders out there chime in here. I am > using 21" spoke wheels but that should not be an issue. > -------- > Jerry Dotson ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Air-Oil Cooled A
Date: Jul 12, 2010
This turned up at Arlington. An A modified to use a combination of air and oil for cooling in an attempt to eliminate that big radiator. I don't have any more info but I may go to the Concrete ( yes, it's a town! ) later this month to the museum where it lives but in order to cross the border I have to take all my work stuff out of the truck. Then back in again later. Clif ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2010
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Corvair magneto
If I'm not mistaken that reg includes the Mode C veil which is a 30 nm radius around Class B Airspace. I'm under 30 miles from Orlando International at my airport. Ben On 7/12/2010 12:43 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > There is no FAR saying that aircraft with electrical systems (engine > driven or otherwise) must have a transponder. You do not need > one......as long as you are going to avoid airspace that requires that > you have one. The clearest explanation that has been posted here > before was a Q&A between Chuck Gantzer and Cy Galley (NOTE: I edited > for brevity): > > ------------------------- > Question: If an aircraft has an engine driven electrical system, does > the FAR's require it to have a transponder ? > > Thank you > Chuck Gantzer > > Answer: The answer is NO... but if you want to fly thru or land at > class C, then you not only need a transponder plus an encoder. You > sometimes can get a waiver for one airport but it is a hassle. If you > don't have an engine driven electrical system then you can wander thru > the class C. > > I got a transponder and encoder as I am based at a Class C airport. I > contemplated getting a waiver BUT having a transponder helps prevent > jets from backing into me (TCAS). Encoder is cheap ($200)... > Transponder is couple thousand > with install. > > Cy Galley > ------------------------- > So there you have it. Unless where you fly from or where you plan on > flying to requires you to have a transponder to enter that airspace, > you do not need one with a Corvair powered aircraft. > > Ryan > > P.S.: I mentioned in another reply: Vertex Magnetos used to available > in a six cylinder version that would purportedly work on a Corvair, > but they are no longer available. If you could find one it would most > likely be more expensive than a used transponder anyhow. > > > On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:07 PM, skellytown flyer > > wrote: > > > > > I am still not happy with the requirements for a transponder to be > installed on an aircraft with an electrical system. I am looking > for an affordable plug-in style mag for my Corvair.I'd be > interested in hearing from anyone that might be running a mag on a > Corvair.or someone that might have one to sell or trade.I wonder > if there would be any way to have a for sale or trade section with > this site like the Kansas city Dawn patrol does but probably not > since it doesn't seem to be the same type of site. as you can tell > I am not very computer literate.but I have several items that I am > not using that might be of use to other builders like probably > most on this site do.so if you know anywhere to find a mag for > some more reasonable price that the race shops Id appreciate a > heads up.Raymond > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304526#304526 > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Corvair magneto
Date: Jul 12, 2010
You are correct, Ben. If you have an engine driven electrical system you must have a mode C transponder if flying under the 30 nm mode C veil. Otherwise not required, as long as you do not fly in class A,B, or C airspace, and do not fly over 10,000' MSL. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 5:47 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair magneto If I'm not mistaken that reg includes the Mode C veil which is a 30 nm radius around Class B Airspace. I'm under 30 miles from Orlando International at my airport. Ben On 7/12/2010 12:43 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: There is no FAR saying that aircraft with electrical systems (engine driven or otherwise) must have a transponder. You do not need one......as long as you are going to avoid airspace that requires that you have one. The clearest explanation that has been posted here before was a Q&A between Chuck Gantzer and Cy Galley (NOTE: I edited for brevity): ------------------------- Question: If an aircraft has an engine driven electrical system, does the FAR's require it to have a transponder ? Thank you Chuck Gantzer Answer: The answer is NO... but if you want to fly thru or land at class C, then you not only need a transponder plus an encoder. You sometimes can get a waiver for one airport but it is a hassle. If you don't have an engine driven electrical system then you can wander thru the class C. I got a transponder and encoder as I am based at a Class C airport. I contemplated getting a waiver BUT having a transponder helps prevent jets from backing into me (TCAS). Encoder is cheap ($200)... Transponder is couple thousand with install. Cy Galley ------------------------- So there you have it. Unless where you fly from or where you plan on flying to requires you to have a transponder to enter that airspace, you do not need one with a Corvair powered aircraft. Ryan P.S.: I mentioned in another reply: Vertex Magnetos used to available in a six cylinder version that would purportedly work on a Corvair, but they are no longer available. If you could find one it would most likely be more expensive than a used transponder anyhow. On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:07 PM, skellytown flyer wrote: I am still not happy with the requirements for a transponder to be installed on an aircraft with an electrical system. I am looking for an affordable plug-in style mag for my Corvair.I'd be interested in hearing from anyone that might be running a mag on a Corvair.or someone that might have one to sell or trade.I wonder if there would be any way to have a for sale or trade section with this site like the Kansas city Dawn patrol does but probably not since it doesn't seem to be the same type of site. as you can tell I am not very computer literate.but I have several items that I am not using that might be of use to other builders like probably most on this site do.so if you know anywhere to find a mag for some more reasonable price that the race shops Id appreciate a heads up.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304526#304526 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Air-Oil Cooled A
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 12, 2010
Concept is perfect to reduce the radiator size, maybe location. I would love to have a head like that. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304567#304567 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Landing gear height
Date: Jul 12, 2010
Jerry; Depending on how much air is in the tires and how much fuel is in the tank, in the level flight attitude 41CC sits with the top of the top longeron anywhere from 51-54" so it sounds like that 51" dimension from the plans is pretty accurate. I could lift the tail and measure it but I won't be back at the hangar until Saturday. 41CC has 6.00x6s on the mains. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Landing gear height
On 07/12/2010 01:09 AM, Clif Dawson wrote: > > Mine is 52" to the top of top longeron with 3.50X19 > wheels. Don't forget that the engine centerline is > below the longeron. mine is down 4". So that makes > 47" to the center of the prop. If you have a 72" prop > then the tip is only 11" from the ground until you > have a hard encounter in a level attitude. :-) In addition to being very long nosed, the prop on N8031 is directly in line with the top longeron - not 4" below. I don't know why. She seems to fly just fine, at least to me. Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Piets near Rocky Mount, NC?
I just got assigned a couple of days of work in the Rocky Mount NC area. Anyone know of any Piets or Piet builders in that area? jm ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Piets near Rocky Mount, NC?
Date: Jul 12, 2010
That's only about 60 miles from me, Jim. My Pietenpol is at the Sanford airport (KTTA) for the moment but by Wednesday it will be back in my hangar at Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia (W91). Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 3:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets near Rocky Mount, NC? I just got assigned a couple of days of work in the Rocky Mount NC area. Anyone know of any Piets or Piet builders in that area? jm ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair magneto
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 12, 2010
Since one does little night work, I have an electric wheel chair that is powered by a 12 volt auto battery, a 2'X 3" X 12" Solar Panel. Is it's charger and I have never had to charge the battery any other way so far this summer. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304620#304620 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 13, 2010
From: motorbikemikexb9(at)comcast.net
Subject: New return to the list... finally getting started on my
build. Hello again everyone. I was a new addition to the list last summer just after Oshkosh.=C2-=C2 - I planned on getting started on my Pietenpole then but the summer didn' t pan out as I thought it would.=C2- With my Wife and I planning our own wedding and honeymoon, getting married, fixing up our condo to sell to with plans to move into a=C2-new house.=C2- All the free time was exhausted .=C2- Unfortunately we leave for Honeymoon=C2-to Italy on the Sunday of the Broadhead fly in.=C2- I do live close to Broadhead so I might be abl e to get up there Friday or maybe Saturday if the wife will let me out of =C2-any last minute packing. So Here I am almost one year later and ready to get back at it.=C2- My pl an is to actually build (2)=C2-aircampers simultaneously.=C2- One full scale, and one 1/2 scale R/C built identically matched to the full scale sh ip.=C2- I plan to do a independent documentary on the whole process and m aybe publish=C2-a short run of dvd's for anyone interested in the build. =C2-=C2-=C2-I had a few questions I hope you guys might be able to an swer for me. 1). Dose Mike Cuy still sell the DVD's?=C2-I can't find his website anymo re and I would love to get a copy of the DVD before we leave for Italy.=C2 - 14 hr flight= portable DVD player. 2). What "certified" adhesive is recommended for=C2-all of the wood const ruction on the airframe.=C2-=C2- 3). Is there any written info on a website or otherwise that outlines=C2- the inspection and certification process and stages for building a experime ntal aircraft?=C2- This is my first full scale (non R/C) aircraft I'm bui lding and I want to do it right the first time through. 4).=C2-Also dose anyone know of a good source to find Continental A-65 en gines or parts.=C2- I have kept my eye on ebay for the past few months an d not much has popped up there. Thanks in advance and=C2-I hope to meet most of you real soon, Mike Dulia n =C2-=C2- ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kringle's Curious Question about projects
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 12, 2010
We are in luck! According to the new BPA newsletter (pg. 5), Chapter 1279 is planning to display their completed (not-covered) Air Camper at Brodhead and Oshkosh. I think there was a partially completed Sky Scout there last year... it was very interesting to study. This project ought to be a valuable exhibit for all to study, especially those of us that are still trying to figure out this huge puzzle. -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304628#304628 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 13, 2010
From: motorbikemikexb9(at)comcast.net
Subject: New return to the list... finally getting started on my
build. Hello again everyone. I was a new addition to the list last summer just after Oshkosh.=C2-=C2 - I planned on getting started on my Pietenpole then but the summer didn' t pan out as I thought it would.=C2- With my Wife and I planning our own wedding and honeymoon, getting married, fixing up our condo to sell to with plans to move into a=C2-new house.=C2- All the free time was exhausted .=C2- Unfortunately we leave for Honeymoon=C2-to Italy on the Sunday of the Broadhead fly in.=C2- I do live close to Broadhead so I might be abl e to get up there Friday or maybe Saturday if the wife will let me out of =C2-any last minute packing. So Here I am almost one year later and ready to get back at it.=C2- My pl an is to actually build (2)=C2-aircampers simultaneously.=C2- One full scale, and one 1/2 scale R/C built identically matched to the full scale sh ip.=C2- I plan to do a independent documentary on the whole process and m aybe publish=C2-a short run of dvd's for anyone interested in the build. =C2-=C2-=C2-I had a few questions I hope you guys might be able to an swer for me. 1). Dose Mike Cuy still sell the DVD's?=C2-I can't find his website anymo re and I would love to get a copy of the DVD before we leave for Italy.=C2 - 14 hr flight= portable DVD player. 2). What "certified" adhesive is recommended for=C2-all of the wood const ruction on the airframe.=C2-=C2- 3). Is there any written info on a website or otherwise that outlines=C2- the inspection and certification process and stages for building a experime ntal aircraft?=C2- This is my first full scale (non R/C) aircraft I'm bui lding and I want to do it right the first time through. 4).=C2-Also dose anyone know of a good source to find Continental A-65 en gines or parts.=C2- I have kept my eye on ebay for the past few months an d not much has popped up there. Thanks in advance and=C2-I hope to meet most of you real soon, Mike Dulia n =C2-=C2- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 13, 2010
Subject: Re: New return to the list... finally getting started
on my build.
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Answers inline... On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:39 PM, wrote: > 1). Dose Mike Cuy still sell the DVD's? I can't find his website anymore > and I would love to get a copy of the DVD before we leave for Italy. 14 hr > flight= portable DVD player. > http://www.flyingwood.com/NX48MC.htm 2). What "certified" adhesive is recommended for all of the wood > construction on the airframe. > Resorcinol glue is the only "certified" adhesive, i.e. approved by the FAA for use on certified aircraft. Since you are building an experimental aircraft you are not limited to just that adhesive. Epoxies are commonly used, with T-88 and West Systems epoxies being popular. You could use something like Raka epoxy, but that epoxy requires a very complicated testing process for joint strength involving soaking, burning, smashing, and tractor weights.....it's outlined in the archives. ;) Resorcinol or epoxies both work well and strong, beautiful Piets have been built with both. > > 3). Is there any written info on a website or otherwise that outlines the > inspection and certification process and stages for building a experimental > aircraft? This is my first full scale (non R/C) aircraft I'm building and I > want to do it right the first time through. > Join the EAA. Despite the arguable "watering down" of the organization over the years they are still the go-to resource for homebuilders. Avail yourself of the Tech Counselor program (there is at least one in Brodhead). There's a fair amount of information on the website in the Members area, including the entire Sport Aviation archives. Join a local EAA chapter; 431 at Brodhead is a good one. > 4). Also dose anyone know of a good source to find Continental A-65 engines > or parts. I have kept my eye on ebay for the past few months and not much > has popped up there. > Barnstormers.com can be a good free classified resource. We found a low-time A-65 there for a decent price. Also, as mentioned above, join the local EAA chapter. Attend meetings, get to know people and get known...many times there is stuff available locally that you can find through word of mouth. Don't rush into buying an engine just because it's available; make sure it's a good buy. While the "want" may be great, the "need" is most likely quite a ways off since you haven't even begun to build yet. Additionally, there are a fair amount of A-65s in circulation...it's not like you're searching for a Lenape Papoose to power your Piet. If you keep your eyes and ears open you'll find a good candidate before you actually have the need for it. Enjoy your honeymoon. If your flight to Italy happens to take you over New Brunswick, Canada make sure and give a wave and shed a tear for a fellow lover of the blue who's loved ones have tragically mixed up priorities.... Ryan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 13, 2010
Subject: Six Pietenpols show at Taylorcraft Fly In last Saturday
Had a great time visiting with Ed and Skip who flew in from West Virginia a s well as Don Emch, Shad Bell, and Frank Pavliga at last Saturday's Alliance Ohio Taylorcraft Fly In. Kip G. was also there helping out with the event and there to greet us Infidels. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 13, 2010
Subject: two more from the "Pietenpol Fly-In" at Alliance Ohio
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 13, 2010
Subject: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft
Fly-In Had a great time visiting with Ed and Skip who flew in from West Virginia a s well as Don Emch, Shad Bell, and Frank Pavliga at last Saturday's Alliance Ohio Taylorcraft Fly In. Kip G. was also there helping out with the event and there to greet us Infidels. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: welcome back Mike
Date: Jul 13, 2010
Welcome back Mike! To answer your questions: Mike Cuy does still sell his videos. Most guys seem to us T-88 epoxy. Some use West Systems but it is much thinner and runs a lot. Resourcinol is a great old standby if you keep your joints tight. There are certainly others but these seem to be the biggies Call your local FAA office and track down your areas inspector and contact him/her. They tend to be very helpful and appreciate advance contact. They can send you their guidelines and paperwork. Basically however, keep lots of documentation to prove you actually did the work yourself, and keep your receipts to show what materials you used. I didn't have to show any of these things, but each inspector is different. It really is a pretty simple process. No inspection is required until you're finished. There are a lot of engine parts on barnstormers.com and always ck out other type websites like flybaby and luscombe etc. Good luck! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft
Fly-In
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Date: Jul 13, 2010
Mikee, Please identify the pilots and the little feller for me. That would help put a face with the posts. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304677#304677 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft
Fly-In
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 13, 2010
Awesome! Can't wait to see you guys next week! -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304682#304682 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: engine mount
Date: Jul 13, 2010
Hey, I am about to Tig weld my new continental engine mount. I've heard various theories about stress relieving. What did you guys do? Thanks Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Landing gear height
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Date: Jul 13, 2010
Thanks all for the replies. I will make it 51". Guess I will make a handicap stool so I can get in! I am really enjoying the build. The hot weather is slowing me down some now. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304684#304684 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: New return to the list... finally getting started on my
build.
Date: Jul 13, 2010
Mike; I had an A65 that I took off my Air Camper but I sold it already. Stick around... they turn up from time to time. Also, there is a 1/2 scale Air Camper under construction here in central TX at the moment. I have pix and can upload them to the file sharing page if anyone is interested. Fuselage and tail feathers are complete, wing is under construction. It will be painted identical to 41CC. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "JERRY GROGAN" <jerry(at)SKYCLASSIC.NET>
Subject: Re: engine mount
Date: Jul 13, 2010
We build mounts for some pretty big planes and tig weld them. We stress relieve them. We do it in a kind of dark place and bring the weldment to a dull red color and then let it cool slow. It is best to keep it in any fixure that you have other wise it could deform. Jerry Sky Classic Aircraft Pieten 38 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine mount > > > Hey, > > I am about to Tig weld my new continental engine mount. I've heard > various > theories about stress relieving. What did you guys do? > > Thanks > > Douwe > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 13, 2010
Subject: Re: engine mount
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
I asked asked a couple different PhD metallurgists working at the Lincoln and Miller welding tents at Oshkosh and probably a dozen "expert" welders (including the Sport Air workshop welding class instructor who welds for an indy racing team in his spare time). Majority opinion - no need for it with TIG. Best way to answer the question for yourself is to do multiple tests welding identical parts with and without (kind of like gluing wood samples to test your epoxy). And do destructive testing. I did this in welding class to prove to myself stress relieving is not needed (and to prove my own welding capabilities to myself). rick On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Douwe Blumberg < douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> wrote: > douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> > > Hey, > > I am about to Tig weld my new continental engine mount. I've heard various > theories about stress relieving. What did you guys do? > > Thanks > > Douwe > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: engine mount
Date: Jul 13, 2010
I gas welded mine and normalized after welding. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine mount Hey, I am about to Tig weld my new continental engine mount. I've heard various theories about stress relieving. What did you guys do? Thanks Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Singleton" <slsingleton(at)cvalley.net>
Subject: New to the group
Date: Jul 13, 2010
Hello everyone. I've been on the list for a while and have enjoyed all the info and humor. Since after Osh last year i got busy and buit my fuselage (aircamper) ,tailfeathers and am working on the gear now and am really enjoying it. My brother and i will plan on being at Osh. friday before the show and will be renting a car to go to Brodhead Sat. and was wondering if anybody else needs a ride and would be willing to share car rental exspense. Plan on leaving Sat. morn and be back to Osh. by six pm Sat evening. I'll be away from home the rest of the week but feel free to call me on my cell if interested.660 214 0029 Steve Singleton Hale MO. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: Re: OT :: Lenape Papoose
Date: Jul 13, 2010
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Date: Jul 13, 2010
From: Phil Hopkins <hopkinsp2(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Piets in Texas
Hello all, I'm a long time fan of the Pete. I used to subscribe to the list over a decade ago and dreamed about building one. In the meantime, life intervened. But, this year, when a few Light Sports started showing up at the local FBOs (finally!), I took up training again and decided I would get my certificate this time no matter what (first flew when I was 14, so it's been a while coming). I'm about finished (just doing the checkride rehearsals), and it's time to get serious about building my own plane and so I subscribed to the list again and have been trying to recover all my old research. I know there are a number of Petes in TX. One fella I knew was building one near Taylor a decade ago. I was flying a few weeks ago out of KGTU when I saw a brown one over by the pumps. I had my instructor with me, and she was late for her next lesson, or I'd have pulled over and chased the fella down and found out where he lived. I haven't seen him or it before or since. KGTU is my home airport. If there are any Petes in the central TX area, I'd love to hear from you. I know about Oscar, in SA, who is a frequent and helpful contributor to the list. Anyone near Austin or Killeen? Best, Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: Re: OT :: Lenape Papoose
Date: Jul 13, 2010
> Ryan said, "...it's not like you're searching for a Lenape Papoose > to power your Piet." > > You're really digging deep! Now how cool would that be, though! > Talk about a unique Piet. I recently "discovered" the J-3P with the > Papoose engine, and was floored with how cool it looked. I can only > find one in the FAA database that still shows the Lenape engine > installed. Now that's rare. > > Wayne Bressler Jr. > Taildraggers, Inc. > taildraggersinc.com > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft
Fly-In
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 14, 2010
Jerry, That would be left to right, Skip, Frank, Ed, Shad, Mike, Ryan (my son), and Don (me). Hope to see you at Brodhead. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304747#304747 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net>
Subject: Re: New return to the list... finally getting started
on my build.
Date: Jul 14, 2010
Be aware thet the DAP / Weldwood resorcinol is no longer available.. DAP has ceased production of this glue after several states baned the sale.. :-( something about VOCs...and saving the planet....bla bla bla Cascophen is the last available brand of Resorcinol stateside. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/wppages/cascophen.php Michael in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller Resorcinol glue is the only "certified" adhesive, i.e. approved by the FAA for use on certified aircraft. Since you are building an experimental aircraft you are not limited to just that adhesive. ......Resorcinol or epoxies both work well and strong, beautiful Piets have been built with both. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New guy and wood
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Jul 14, 2010
Hey, Jeff here in Louisville KY I've been studying the F&G manuals for years and thinking about a piet.. built a Ragwing Special biplane 10 years ago.. sold it and have been flying a 120 since then.. the 120 is for sale and i'm in the mood to build. I know there are a ton of discussions about wood and weight and strength but.. I've looked at other planes, flybaby, the Ragwings, Flitzer... etc.. and it sure seems like longerons would be plenty strong at 1"by 3/4" and 1/4' square ribs are the standard everywhere.. the built up British spars are sweet.. it sure seems like the tail heavy issues could disappear with a little lightning.. even the F&G instruction say its way over built i really have enjoyed reading the list for the last few months.. i have an extra A engine on a stand.... I'd like to hang it on some sticks jeff faith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304779#304779 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: New guy and wood
Date: Jul 14, 2010
Good to have you on the list, Jeff! I believe you could easily go down to 7/8" square longerons (in fact I believe that BHP did this on some of his later models). As for 1" x 3/4", maybe so, but bear in mind that you've lost a good deal of stiffness, and you would only save about 46 ounces of weight, and some of that is ahead of the CG. Most of the tail heaviness comes not from the plane but from the pilot. In 1929 very few people weighed over 200 lbs. Now sadly that is the norm, rather than the exception. Hanging a tailwheel on such a long moment contributes greatly to tail-heaviness also. However, it really isn't a problem because it is so easy with this design to shift the wing aft a few inches and put the CG wherever you want.. As for going to 1/4" capstrips on the ribs, something to consider when comparing these ribs to more modern designs is that the rear spar is much further forward in the Pietenpol wing than most modern designs. Even with heavy capstrips this wing is VERY flexible in torsion. Cutting the capstrips in half will make it even more wimpy. Just something to consider. As I'm sure you've seen before on this list "Build it to the Plans, and you'll have a better airplane". Are you coming to Brodhead next week? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New guy and wood Hey, Jeff here in Louisville KY I've been studying the F&G manuals for years and thinking about a piet.. built a Ragwing Special biplane 10 years ago.. sold it and have been flying a 120 since then.. the 120 is for sale and i'm in the mood to build. I know there are a ton of discussions about wood and weight and strength but.. I've looked at other planes, flybaby, the Ragwings, Flitzer... etc.. and it sure seems like longerons would be plenty strong at 1"by 3/4" and 1/4' square ribs are the standard everywhere.. the built up British spars are sweet.. it sure seems like the tail heavy issues could disappear with a little lightning.. even the F&G instruction say its way over built i really have enjoyed reading the list for the last few months.. i have an extra A engine on a stand.... I'd like to hang it on some sticks jeff faith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304779#304779 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft
Fly-I
Date: Jul 14, 2010
Good to see that, John. Rachel looks like a young woman now, not the kid I took up 2 years ago. I'll never forget the grin she had then. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I I am lucky. My kid likes to fly. She has been up with Jack Phillps in his Piet at Brodhead a couple of years back. She will be 15 next week so if she wants she can get her chance. The Cub is back in good shape and we were up a couple of times this week. She likes to take the camera along so here are a few pictures from Monday night. I am thinking of painting "IT GIRL OF THE SKIES" next to the front seat. I swear last year she was just 5. Time files. It is amazing how fast they grow. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2010
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Landing gear height
Gary would you measure your Piet height to the top of the longeron in Pilots cockpit with the tail blocked up so longerons are level? The 51 inch measurement everyone is mentioning doesn't relate to mine at all. Sitting in the three point position, the top of longeron at front of the front cockpit is only 49 inches and the top of rear longeron at the back of the rear cockpit is only 41 inches high. thanks Gary, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 9:05:41 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Jerry, I'll measure tomorrow, but my method (also with 21" Harley Sportster wheels) was to set the upper longeron angle at 13 deg, and establish the length of the landing gear struts from there (tailwheel needs to be installed). I did ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Landing gear height
Date: Jul 14, 2010
Sure. I=99ll measure it tonight, but I checked it the other day and it looks closer to 54=9D!! I=99m thinking I need nose art, picturing a scantily clad beauty with long legs. The would be =9CTall Girl.=9D Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Gary would you measure your Piet height to the top of the longeron in Pilots cockpit with the tail blocked up so longerons are level? The 51 inch measurement everyone is mentioning doesn't relate to mine at all. Sitting in the three point position, the top of longeron at front of the front cockpit is only 49 inches and the top of rear longeron at the back of the rear cockpit is only 41 inches high. thanks Gary, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 9:05:41 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Jerry, I'll measure tomorrow, but my method (also with 21" Harley Sportster wheels) was to set the upper longeron angle at 13 deg, and establish the length of the landing gear struts from there (tailwheel needs to be installed). I did ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2010
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Landing gear height
or you could call her nose art "Legs". I am going to measure again tonight but mine is short at just under 49 inch es to top of longeron when level. Jim PS and I still need a step to get in. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:52:20 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Sure. I=99ll measure it tonight, but I checked it the other day and i t looks closer to 54=9D!! I=99m thinking I need nose art, pictu ring a scantily clad beauty with long legs. The would be =9CTall Girl .=9D Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Gary would you measure your Piet height to the top of the longeron in Pilot s cockpit with the tail blocked up so longerons are level? The 51 inch measurement everyone is mentioning doesn't relate to mine at al l. Sitting in the three point position, the top of longeron at front of the front cockpit is only 49 inches and the top of rear longeron at the back o f the rear cockpit is only 41 inches high. thanks Gary, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 9:05:41 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Jerry, I'll measure tomorrow, but my method (also with 21" Harley Sportster wheels ) was to set the upper longeron angle at 13 deg, and establish the length of the landing gear struts from there (tailwheel needs to be installed). I did =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://foru ====== == ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piets in Texas
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 14, 2010
Gary - I'm here for you, man. Should be in town for all of August except for the 28th. Tim Willis' project is ~15 minutes from my plane. Not sure where Ken's project is but I'm sure we can figure it out. Phil doesn't have a project yet so he's mobile. Post the dates and we'll make it happen. -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304808#304808 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Landing gear height
Date: Jul 14, 2010
OK, Jimlifted the tail and the measurement is 53 =C2=BD=9D! I got there by starting with a 13deg deck angle. Don=99t blame meChris Tracy told me to do it Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Gary would you measure your Piet height to the top of the longeron in Pilots cockpit with the tail blocked up so longerons are level? The 51 inch measurement everyone is mentioning doesn't relate to mine at all. Sitting in the three point position, the top of longeron at front of the front cockpit is only 49 inches and the top of rear longeron at the back of the rear cockpit is only 41 inches high. thanks Gary, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 9:05:41 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Jerry, I'll measure tomorrow, but my method (also with 21" Harley Sportster wheels) was to set the upper longeron angle at 13 deg, and establish the length of the landing gear struts from there (tailwheel needs to be installed). I did ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft
Fly-I John, The shot of the confident, frank look on her face in the foreground with Dad's cautious, protective look on his face in the back ground, in the Cub, with the light from the setting sun illuminating both faces, is surely an EAA award-winner. Jeff -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft
Fly-I
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 14, 2010
Hey Don... Tyler (my son) sure does remember you, and the ride you gave him last year. He and Ryan ought to keep each other entertained. It will be great for him to have someone his age to pal around with this year. Looking forward to seeing all of you next week! -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304827#304827 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RBush96589(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 14, 2010
Subject: tires and tubes
hello all, I am in the process of changing out my 5.00--5 tires to 6.00-6 I ordered the new tires and tubes from spruce and got them today. the problem is the wheels I have need to have a 90 degree valve stem and the tubes they sent are straight stems.I was wondering if I could get by using the tubes out of my 5 inch tires if I can get them on the wheel. I wanted to get this done before the trip to brodhead with Jack. and if I have to wait to get the right ones ordered I might not have time to do it.or does any body know if there is a substitute tube that can be gotten locally Thanks, Randy Bush NX294RB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piets in Texas
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 14, 2010
dfwplt wrote: > And air compressors......and routers.... > > :-) > > > -- Yeah, you have accumulated a bunch of routers, but I've been keeping my eyes peeled for that CA air compressor. The great thing about going to Jim's place is... he don't make ya conceal nothing. Just walk right out the front door with it. Hard drives, DVDs, routers. I promise... I'll bring it back soon. -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304834#304834 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Piets in Texas
Date: Jul 14, 2010
There may be an opportunity here for anyone down this way to see a few Piets. I'm talking about "Reklaw"... the fly-in at Flying M Ranch, Oct. 22-24, out in east Texas between Tyler and Nacogdoches: http://www.reklawflyin.com/ We do things funny-like in Texas, so "Reklaw" is "Walker" spelled backwards. Don't ask me why. I'm thinking of flying 41CC out there this year, and it's within striking distance of a half-dozen other Piets and GN-1s in the TX-OK-LA area. Grass strip, down-home atmosphere, who could ask for more? There are two Piets down by Rockport/Corpus Christi, a couple more here in central Texas, and a couple more in NE Texas or its suburbs (Oklahoma ;o)- it might make a nice assembly of Air Campers. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Landing gear height
Date: Jul 14, 2010
Jerry wrote- >Thanks all for the replies. I will make it 51". >Guess I will make a handicap stool so I can get in! Jerry, please note the previous replies. That height to the top of the top longeron is with the fuselage LEVEL, in the cruise flight position. When the airplane is on the ground in the 3-point attitude, the cockpit is MUCH lower than this and it is very easy to step right into the cockpit if you have a fuselage step and grab handles, or a routine where you grab the cabanes to lift yourself in. There is absolutely no need for stools, steps, or other assistance to get into the cockpit when the airplane is sitting on the ground. I am 5'-9", don't have long legs, and have no problem stepping up into the cockpit with the little side peg that Corky built into the side of the cockpit on 41CC down at the lower longeron, but it can also be done without that. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: tires and tubes
From: "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com>
Date: Jul 14, 2010
Randy, I went through the exact same thing about a month ago with my newly purchased GN-1. After a week of research, the only tube under $100 that I could find was from Wicks: TUBE 15-600X6 90 VLV Part Number: TB100-7090 (6" WHEEL) (TB100-7090) Retail Price: $8.11 It's not a 6 ply tube, but a 4 ply. Everybody I talked to said this is just fine for our application. I got a dissertation from the local EAA chapter president on tube technology - and how aircraft certified tubes haven't really kept up with the current technology due to cost of recertification (they still leak due to older compounds). The above tube from Wicks is actually for a lawn tractor. I was skeptical about it, till I realized that it is what was on before (that I accidentally cut to pieces while changing the tire). No problems on the previous one that was multiple years old -and I've got a solid month of beginners landings on the new one with no problem. -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304840#304840 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Landing gear height
Date: Jul 14, 2010
What? How did I get dragged into this? Anyway seeing as I am wasting time on the computer and not building, I guess I should chime in here. The attached word document is how I came up with the deck angle of 13 degrees. My deck angle turned out to be 12 (with the anticipated sag of the bungee cords). Also, my plane sits very high with the tall wheels. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 4:56 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height OK, Jim=85lifted the tail and the measurement is 53 =BD=94! I got there by starting with a 13deg deck angle. Don=92t blame me=85Chris Tracy told me to do it=85 Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Gary would you measure your Piet height to the top of the longeron in Pilots cockpit with the tail blocked up so longerons are level? The 51 inch measurement everyone is mentioning doesn't relate to mine at all. Sitting in the three point position, the top of longeron at front of the front cockpit is only 49 inches and the top of rear longeron at the back of the rear cockpit is only 41 inches high. thanks Gary, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 9:05:41 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Jerry, I'll measure tomorrow, but my method (also with 21" Harley Sportster wheels) was to set the upper longeron angle at 13 deg, and establish the length of the landing gear struts from there (tailwheel needs to be installed). I did http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: tires and tubes
Date: Jul 15, 2010
Randy, go to your local hardware store, Home Depot or lawnmower shop, even O'Rieleys auto parts has some lawn mower parts. A 6 x 6.00 tube is a common lawn tractor size. Should cost around $8.00. Th ey are a 4 ply instead of 6 ply but many of us have been using them and wit h no problem so far. We just put them on our chapt. 64 Piet. Wicks even se lls them. Jeff Wilson N899WT St. Louis, MO Flyin low and slow ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Corvair valve covers
Date: Jul 15, 2010
Well, well. My faith in aviators and experimenters has been restored! After posting an email about how I had loaned one of my cast aluminum Air Camper Corvair valve covers to Gary Gower down in Guadalajara and never hearing back from him, last night I DID hear back from him and was offered a complete explanation of what happened with the valve cover and that it is still in his hands, safe and sound. My apologies to Gary and to the aviation community for casting doubt on the good character of any one of us who builds, flies, and dreams. I have every confidence that I will be getting my valve cover back. I have found very, very few "bad apples" in experimental aviation. To the contrary, I am continually surprised when complete strangers offer me parts, materials, and assistance of every type... many times at no cost. Gary is just another one of "us", and I apologize for any negative comment that I may have made about his character or honesty. Now to find someone who can source these cast covers for us and turn out an equally nice, non-porous, lightweight, and affordable casting... Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2010
From: motorbikemikexb9(at)comcast.net
Subject: where exactly in Broadhead is the fly-in
"The Boss"... (the better half) =C2-gave me the ok to head up to the fly- in on Saturday so=C2-I plan to be there with camera and several memory ca rds and a notebook in hand.=C2-=C2- however where exactly in Broadhead is the fly-in dose someone have an address or something so i can pop it int o the GPS. Oh and... Oscar, if you read this post, could you possibly post or e-mail m e the photos of the 1/2 scale R/C Pietenpole you mentioned.=C2- I would l ove to see it. Thanks, Mike.=C2- ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Trailering
From: "Ozarkflyer" <lragan(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 15, 2010
I've seen aircraft projects being trailered and a lot of the time they are being towed tail first. Any reason or advantage to doing it that way? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304881#304881 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Wood kits
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 15, 2010
I checked with both aircraft spruce and wicks on wood kits for the pietenpol. There is $750 difference in price with wicks being higher. I am guessing it is because aircraft spruce is fininshed on two sides and requires cutting to the correct dimensions while wicks is already precut to the final dimensions? If I have the money is this the best way to go? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304882#304882 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "baiquemaique" <baiquemaique(at)gmail.com>
Subject: where exactly in Broadhead is the fly-in
Date: Jul 15, 2010
42=B035'37.24"N 89=B022'37.30"W (Entry driveway) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of motorbikemikexb9(at)comcast.net Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: where exactly in Broadhead is the fly-in "The Boss"... (the better half) gave me the ok to head up to the fly-in on Saturday so I plan to be there with camera and several memory cards and a notebook in hand. however where exactly in Broadhead is the fly-in dose someone have an address or something so i can pop it into the GPS. Oh and... Oscar, if you read this post, could you possibly post or e-mail me the photos of the 1/2 scale R/C Pietenpole you mentioned. I would love to see it. Thanks, Mike. 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Wood kits
Date: Jul 15, 2010
...depends on how many $$$ you want to save. I used locally acquired Poplar and bought ALL of my wood (less plywood and hardwood) for less than $300. Poplar is very pleasant smelling wood to spend hours cutting up... Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:28 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood kits I checked with both aircraft spruce and wicks on wood kits for the pietenpol. There is $750 difference in price with wicks being higher. I am guessing it is because aircraft spruce is fininshed on two sides and requires cutting to the correct dimensions while wicks is already precut to the final dimensions? If I have the money is this the best way to go? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304882#304882 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Wood kits
I have been buying spruce for my Jungster over the past 5 years or so, and I think wicks has better looking spruce.- However in the past year or two wicks prices have gone up considerably highr than A.S.S.' prices.- - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2010
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: where exactly in Broadhead is the fly-in
>however where exactly in Broadhead is the fly-in dose someone have an address or something so i can pop it into the GPS. Mike: Last turn on the left at the South end of town and follow the paved road. Just look for the new sign per the attached photo. (Obviously the professional models will not be standing beside it by then.) Tom Stinemetze ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2010
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Cloudcars Prop
Listers: Jay Anderson of Cloudcars has come through again. After seeing some of the props he made for you Ford guys, I asked for a "scimitar" shaped prop for a Corvair which he had not attempted before. It took a little while to create the new shape but here are the results as they came from the FedEx truck. I hope to mount it on a friend's Corvair shortly to see how it turns for static RPM as I don't have an engine mounted yet. The prop measures 69" and is stamped 30 P. I know that a 30" pitch from one manufacturer doesn't always equate to a 30" pitch from a different source so am really curious how this prop will function. (P.S. Maple and Walnut) Tom Stinemetze N328X (and counting) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Showers at Brodhead?
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 15, 2010
My recollection from '94 and '98 is that there was a single shower at the pavilion. Is that still true? Thanks, -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304902#304902 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wood kits
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 15, 2010
My gosh... $750 for cut lengths? No thanks. Are you sure that they don't also include the rib capstrip and perhaps some plywood or something? I haven't studied the Wicks package, so I can't make a fair comparison. I can say this... except for one problem that I found, which Aircraft Spruce promptly took care of, the AS&S wood package is excellent stuff. I've had several compliments on the materials. As for pre-cut... I think I'd prefer the rough lengths as it allows me to cut/sand to my dimensions for a snug fit, plus I get little drop pieces for use elsewhere. Again, I can't speak to the Wicks package since I don't know what all they include, but for the money, the AS&S stuff is hard to beat, unless of course you have proper materials locally. --------------- I just took a look at Wicks... they have their packages split up differently. The wing kit does include capstrip for ribs (approx. $150 from AS&S), but the materials are not pre-cut to length. In fact, the spars are full length (28'), so they will have to be cut a couple of times in order to build. I'm not sure what the best deal is... but given the price comparison (almost double), I think you would be happy with the AS&S package. Some may argue that scrounging up boards and cutting your own material is the way to go... and several have done that for a few hundred bucks, but if you don't have the proper materials available then it is kind of hard to do that. -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304904#304904 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Trailering
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 15, 2010
I've done it both ways and wouldn't tow it tail-first again. I almost ruined my rudder horn when the control lock got blasted off by a passing 18-wheeler and the rudder kicked over hard. Only advantage I could see of towing tail-first might be better visibility out the rear-view mirror of the tow vehicle, but that's hardly worth it. The airplane was made to fly through the air nose-first, after all. -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304909#304909 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: dyslexia and trim tabs...
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 15, 2010
Don't do it the way Kevin did his... remember that the Corvair rotates opposite of the way Continentals do, and the trim tab would probably need to be bent in the other direction ;o) Here's the one on my airplane: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/PC240001.JPG -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304910#304910 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Cloudcars Prop
WOW!! Ok, now I MUST make a road trip to Kansas and see that prop! It's beautiful! I hope to one day carve one like it using Dan's video/instructions....I can only hope mine looks anything like this one! wow..... jm -----Original Message----- From: TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Jul 15, 2010 7:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cloudcars Prop Listers: Jay Anderson of Cloudcars has come through again. After seeing some of the props he made for you Ford guys, I asked for a "scimitar" shaped prop for a Corvair which he had not attempted before. It took a little while to create the new shape but here are the results as they came from the FedEx truck. I hope to mount it on a friend's Corvair shortly to see how it turns for static RPM as I don't have an engine mounted yet. The prop measures 69" and is stamped 30 P. I know that a 30" pitch from one manufacturer doesn't always equate to a 30" pitch from a different source so am really curious how this prop will function. (P.S. Maple and Walnut) Tom Stinemetze N328X (and counting) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: where exactly in Broadhead is the fly-in
Date: Jul 15, 2010
You will want to be looking for the correct town, so make sure to keep an eye out for BRODhead. Just do a Google Map search for "Brodhead Airport, Brodhead WI" and you will find it. Map your route from there... Ryan On Jul 15, 2010, at 8:25 AM, motorbikemikexb9(at)comcast.net wrote: > "The Boss"... (the better half) gave me the ok to head up to the fly-in on Saturday so I plan to be there with camera and several memory cards and a notebook in hand. however where exactly in Broadhead is the fly-in dose someone have an address or something so i can pop it into the GPS. > > > > > > Oh and... Oscar, if you read this post, could you possibly post or e-mail me the photos of the 1/2 scale R/C Pietenpole you mentioned. I would love to see it. > > > > > > Thanks, Mike. > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Cloudcars Prop
If you get the performance jump that we got with ours, you'll never buy anywhere else again. >Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII >Content-Description: HTML > >Listers: > >Jay Anderson of Cloudcars has come through again. After seeing some >of the props he made for you Ford guys, I asked for a "scimitar" >shaped prop for a Corvair which he had not attempted before. It >took a little while to create the new shape but here are the results >as they came from the FedEx truck. I hope to mount it on a friend's >Corvair shortly to see how it turns for static RPM as I don't have >an engine mounted yet. The prop measures 69" and is stamped 30 P. >I know that a 30" pitch from one manufacturer doesn't always equate >to a 30" pitch from a different source so am really curious how this >prop will function. (P.S. Maple and Walnut) > >Tom Stinemetze >N328X (and counting) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Showers at Brodhead?
Date: Jul 15, 2010
Yep (well, technically two). One for the guys, one for the ladies, in the breakfast/forum building next to the pavilion. Ryan On Jul 15, 2010, at 7:49 AM, "kevinpurtee" wrote: > > My recollection from '94 and '98 is that there was a single shower at the pavilion. Is that still true? > > Thanks, > > -------- > Kevin Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304902#304902 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Showers at Brodhead?
Date: Jul 15, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
I beleive there are another set of showers on the other side of that wall also. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> Sent: Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:29 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Showers at Brodhead? Yep (well, technically two). One for the guys, one for the ladies, in the reakfast/forum building next to the pavilion. Ryan n Jul 15, 2010, at 7:49 AM, "kevinpurtee" wrote : y.mil> My recollection from '94 and '98 is that there was a single shower at the avilion. Is that still true? Thanks, -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304902#304902 -======================== ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2010
Subject: Re: Showers at Brodhead?
From: ken anderson <kanderson051(at)gmail.com>
There were a total of 4 showers last time I was there. The original 2 and 2 in the forum room Unless they have upgraded the hot water you most likely will have a warm to cold shower. On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:53 AM, wrote: > I beleive there are another set of showers on the other side of that wall > also. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Thu, Jul 15, 2010 11:29 am > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Showers at Brodhead? > > > Yep (well, technically two). One for the guys, one for the ladies, in the > breakfast/forum building next to the pavilion. > > Ryan > > > On Jul 15, 2010, at 7:49 AM, "kevinpurtee" wrote: > > > > > My recollection from '94 and '98 is that there was a single shower at the > pavilion. Is that still true? > > > > Thanks, > > > > -------- > > Kevin Purtee > > NX899KP > > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304902#304902 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =================================== > t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > =================================== > tp://forums.matronics.com > =================================== > _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =================================== > > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New guy and wood
From: "JohnC" <jcalvert(at)trinityvideo.net>
Date: Jul 15, 2010
Hey Jeff, Good to have another Peitenpol builder in Louisville. I am 18 ribs and a horizontal stabilizer into my project which is definitely on the slow track. Jim Kinsella has a beautiful Piet he has been flying here for several years. Send me an e-mail if you looking for someone who speaks Pietenpol. John Calvert -------- I just hope when it's my turn to reach up and touch the face of God, I don't poke him in the eye on accident. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304939#304939 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Willieam Wynne prop....
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 15, 2010
Jim... I need a hub. Black or Gold? -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304947#304947 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: William Wynne prop....
Date: Jul 15, 2010
See? Told ya' so...;-) It was probably made in a machine shop to WW spec's. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Willieam Wynne prop.... Jim... I need a hub. Black or Gold? -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304947#304947 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Smoke On!
Date: Jul 15, 2010
This morning I finally got some videos (thanks to my wife, Karen) of the smoke system I installed on my Pietenpol this spring. Check it out at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DTmKApOPyw I won't be bringing my Pietenpol to Brodhead this year, but instead will bring Ryan Mueller's newly acquired Pietenpol that was owned by Gene Pennington in Camden, Tennessee. Gene sold the Piet to Ryan in April and has already bought a single-seat Kolb Slingshot so he can still fly "low and slow". If the weather is good, one week from today I'll be chugging along somewhere over acres of corn in Illinois, with Randy Bush and his Corvair powered Pietenpol on my wingtip. I can hardly wait. Jack Phillips NX899JP (but next week, N502R) Raleigh, NC ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: where exactly in Broadhead is the fly-in
Date: Jul 15, 2010
. Brodhead airport C37 Fld. El. 793 TPA 1593 122.9 09-27 Turf 2430 (15 - 33 & 21 - 03 will be closed) looking South East Looking North East Airport is 1 mi. south of Brodhead (upper left corner of photo) Lat 42- 35N, Lon 89 - 22W Brodhead is 38 mi. due south of Madison, Wi. On Jul 15, 2010, at 8:25 AM, motorbikemikexb9(at)comcast.net wrote: > "The Boss"... (the better half) gave me the ok to head up to the > fly-in on Saturday so I plan to be there with camera and several > memory cards and a notebook in hand. however where exactly in > Broadhead is the fly-in dose someone have an address or something so > i can pop it into the GPS. > > > Oh and... Oscar, if you read this post, could you possibly post or e- > mail me the photos of the 1/2 scale R/C Pietenpole you mentioned. I > would love to see it. > > > Thanks, Mike. > > > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Showers at Brodhead?
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Jul 15, 2010
1 ladies, 1 Men's, and 2 shared Jack Textor Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2010, at 9:49 AM, "kevinpurtee" wrote: > > My recollection from '94 and '98 is that there was a single shower at the pavilion. Is that still true? > > Thanks, > > -------- > Kevin Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304902#304902 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Willieam Wynne prop....
Is it possible that the hub is an old Vi Kapplar hub?- Dad had one he was going to use orrigionally, but he needed a little machine work on it for s omething, it got screwed up so he went with the William Wynne hub.- Kind of a blessing really, with the Wynne hub we can have a self cominser (start er). - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2010
Subject: Re: Cloudcars Prop
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Nice Tom, how much was it? rick On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:47 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > *Listers:* > ** > *Jay Anderson of Cloudcars has come through again. After seeing some of > the props he made for you Ford guys, I asked for a "scimitar" shaped prop > for a Corvair which he had not attempted before. It took a little while to > create the new shape but here are the results as they came from the FedEx > truck. I hope to mount it on a friend's Corvair shortly to see how it turns > for static RPM as I don't have an engine mounted yet. The prop measures 69" > and is stamped 30 P. I know that a 30" pitch from one manufacturer doesn't > always equate to a 30" pitch from a different source so am really curious > how this prop will function. (P.S. Maple and Walnut)* > ** > *Tom Stinemetze* > *N328X (and counting)* > ** > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2010
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Cloudcars Prop
Rick: Let's just say that it was in the $600 range. Price varies by options chosen and I opted for: two different woods, scimitar shape with 30" pitch (required new pattern), fiberglass tip protection, and pre-drilled hub. I could also have had full leading edge protection and various tip paint schemes. If you give Jay Anderson a call he will be glad to quote a specific price and time frame to you based on what you want. Tom Stinemetze N328X >>> Rick Holland 7/15/2010 3:37 PM >>> Nice Tom, how much was it? rick ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cloudcars Prop
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 15, 2010
Tom - Holler when you're heading down this way. The airplane's a stone's throw from I-35. Even if we don't do a propeller experiment I'd love to visit with you. -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304993#304993 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Willieam Wynne prop....
Haven't a clue where it came from even...I'll take a picture and post it when I get home this weekend.... -----Original Message----- From: shad bell Sent: Jul 15, 2010 4:20 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Willieam Wynne prop.... Is it possible that the hub is an old Vi Kapplar hub? Dad had one he was going to use orrigionally, but he needed a little machine work on it for something, it got screwed up so he went with the William Wynne hub. Kind of a blessing really, with the Wynne hub we can have a self cominser (starter). Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2010
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Cloudcars Prop
Tim: I will keep both of you in mind when we make our next trip out that way. Hope you get to go to Brodhead! Tom ____ | ____ \8/ / \ >>> Tim Willis 7/15/2010 4:36 PM >>> -----Original Message----- From: TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Jul 15, 2010 3:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cloudcars Prop ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cloudcars Prop
From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 15, 2010
Nice, very nice! Will you be using a safety shaft? I'm sure a 66 X 33 is also possible? DW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304998#304998 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cloudcars Prop
From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 15, 2010
Nice, very nice! Will you be using a safety shaft? I'm sure a 66 X 33 is also possible? DW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304999#304999 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Smoke On!
Date: Jul 15, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
VEEEEEERRRY NICE Jack!!!!! This is getting my juices flowing for next wee k!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Thu, Jul 15, 2010 1:27 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Smoke On! This morning I finally got some videos (thanks to my wife, Karen) of the smoke system I installed on my Pietenpol this spring. Check it out at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DTmKApOPyw I won=99t be bringing my Pietenpol to Brodhead this year, but instea d will bring Ryan Mueller=99s newly acquired Pietenpol that was owne d by Gene Pennington in Camden, Tennessee. Gene sold the Piet to Ryan in April and has already bought a single-seat Kolb Slingshot so he can still fly =9Clow and slow=9D. If the weather is good, one week from today I=99ll be chugging along somewhere over acres of corn in Illinois, with Randy Bush and his Corvair powered Pietenpol on my wingtip. I can hardly wait. Jack Phillips NX899JP (but next week, N502R) Raleigh, NC ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piets in Texas
From: "Kelly Klaus" <kklaus1(at)austin.rr.com>
Date: Jul 15, 2010
Hi all, I'm new to the Pietenpol group. I live in San Marcos (KHYI) and am starting my Air Camper project. Last fall I ordered my plans and this spring I rescued my power plant from a rusting '65 Monza south of Bastrop. Also last year I joined the Commemorative Air Force Centex Wing and Yellow Rose Squadron, which started my appreciation of vintage aircraft. It only took one ride in our Jap Kate to propel my love of flying! My Piet project first started out as a team effort with my brother who lives in Round Rock after he told me about Mr. Pietenpol and the Air Camper. I decided to go ahead and purchase the plans. Soon after we began looking for engines. Since then it appeared to me that what with work and being a family man and also donating time to the CAF that the Piet project was mine completely, oh darn .[Wink] Also being a member of the CAF, I have a great resource at my disposal what with our A&P and the skillful talents of our volunteers. Presently I've got my Corvair engine tore down and am in the gathering parts stage. My crank after getting cleaned up and checked for cracks is with a friend who owns a machine shop being modified with the safety shaft. Soon I plan to go shopping for spruce. Is the Air Camper kit that Aircraft Spruce sells a good buy or should I look elsewhere? I look forward to sharing my project with you all. Kelly Klaus -------- Kelly Klaus Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305015#305015 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piets in Texas
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 15, 2010
I'm happy with the quality of the Aircraft Spruce wood package. If you have a good source of lumber, others will tell you how you can save a pile of bucks by cutting your own stock, but if you want a good quality package that includes most of the required wood materials, the Aircraft Spruce isn't a bad idea at all. The wood package does not include the required capstrip for building ribs or any of the plywood you will need. I think I've got a total of ~$1600 in all of my wood products, but it is good stuff, and I haven't had to go hunting for it. Perhaps someone else will chime in to inform you on which alternatives you might be able to find at the lumber yard. -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305021#305021 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Smoke On!
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 15, 2010
Jack: how about some technical details of your smoke system? Do you have an "Armstrong" setup like Mikee's, or a battery and pump, or-? -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305022#305022 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair valve covers
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: Jul 15, 2010
Hey Oscar I talked with William Wynne at SnF and he knows the guy that makes the cast Air Camper valve covers. Early onset Alzheimer's is inhibiting my recall but he'd be happy to tell you. Ask him at Brodhead. Dave Aldrich Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305028#305028 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Directory
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson(at)optusnet.com.au>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Scott Dawson Australia Building long fuse. Corvair powered. Have rib parts cut out and about to start gluing. Scotty www.scottyspietenpol.com -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305033#305033 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Smoke On!
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Hi Oscar, Since I have a battery to power the radio, transponder, intercom and Ah-Oooooga horn, it made sense to use a pump system. So for smoke, I press a button on the instrument panel which energizes a windshield washer pump on the firewall, injecting smoke oil into a port welded onto the exhaust stack of the # 1 cylinder. The only thing unique about my system is the tank. I used an outboard motor portable fuel tank (3.5 gallons), with the typical outboard quick disconnect fuel line and squeeze primer bulb. That way, when I need to carry a passenger, I can just disconnect the line and pull the tank out of the front cockpit. Installing it is simple - fill the tank with smoke oil, close the cap, position the tank on the front floorboard between the rudder pedals and secure with a bungee cord, open the vent, connect the quick disconnect, give the primer bulb a couple of squeezes and you're ready to go. For smoke oil I took a tip from a recent Sport Aviation article on skywriting and burn used automatic transmission fluid. I tried to buy some Texaco Canopus 13 oil like the big boys (Sean D Tucker and Mike Cuy) use, but you have to buy it by the 55 gallon drum, for $582 a drum. Used ATF oil is free. And as you can see from the video, it makes nice thick smoke. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Smoke On! Jack: how about some technical details of your smoke system? Do you have an "Armstrong" setup like Mikee's, or a battery and pump, or-? -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305022#305022 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Directory
From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Earl Brown Downingtown, PA working on ribs -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305037#305037 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Directory
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Jack Textor Des Moines, IA www.textors.com Long Fuselage, 3 piece wing, Continental 85, Wire Wheels Woodwork complete-wings and tail Fuselage 3/4 complete Arriving Brodhead Thursday PM or Friday AM ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: WEIGHT OF MODEL A FUSELAGE ON GEAR
From: "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Just a curiosity question.....Looking back at your notes, what did your uncovered fuselage(on the gear) weigh with engine mounted? I weighed mine last night with center section, engine and prop. With the cast iron head, mine came in at 503#. -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305046#305046 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Directory
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Mark Chouinard 9002 N. 165th East Ave Owasso, OK 74055 918-237-0844 hangar10(at)cox(dot)net Home Field : Gundy's (O38) Owasso, OK Building 3-piece wing with long fuse and Corvair Power - Wings complete minus control systems - Center section 60% complete - All parts cut and fitted for empennage... hope to assemble in next couple of weeks (after C37 and OSH) - Corvair cranks and heads done -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305047#305047 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2010
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Cloudcars Prop
Yes. WW gold hub with safety shaft and hybrid studs. I know that I have to finish boring the center hole all the way through. Tom >>> "dwilson" 7/15/2010 5:00 PM >>> Nice, very nice! Will you be using a safety shaft? I'm sure a 66 X 33 is also possible? DW ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2010
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Piets in Texas
> Is the Air Camper kit that Aircraft Spruce sells a good buy or should I look elsewhere? I look forward to sharing my project with you all. Kelly Klaus Kelly: I bought my spruce as a kit from Aircraft Spruce and was not disappointed. Your milage may vary. Tom Stinemetze N328X ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Directory
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
NX497AR Started construction in the 60s by Al Koons purchased my me in the mid 90s with standard Ford power, added Funk head later fuel injection, sold engine for a B Ford with all Funk accessories, pulled Ford to try Werner 145 for two years, back to Ford , then to a Lambert 90 , back to the Ford with fuel injection and the Sensenich 76 X 47 prop. The fuselage is the short version, cowl fuel and center section tank. Many hours, much fun, more than a human should have. Pieti Lowell PS, 612 wing since 2004 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305054#305054 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Smoke On!
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Jack; your experience parallels mine. I investigated purchase of the Texaco product since I can purchase oil at bulk rates, but I wondered what I would ever do with 55 gal. of the stuff. My thought at the time was that I could decant it out from the drum into 5 gal. containers and then sell those to other smokers. Much easier to deal with that quantity. BTW, Shell now also has airshow smoke oil available http://www.shellusserver.com/products/pdf/AeroshellSmokeOil.pdf , but probably no better price than the Canopus oil. You sure can't beat used ATF; that's a good source. Here at my work, I could get practically unlimited quantities of that. -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305055#305055 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: welcome Kelly!
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Welcome Kelly! It's a great plane and a great group! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: wiring help please?
Date: Jul 16, 2010
I'm not there yet, but hopefully will soon be wiring up my new 0200 installation. Because I want to keep the nose short, I want the weight up there so I'm going to leave the starter and generator on because, even with all that, it's still less than the Ford with radiator. I'm not a wiz at wiring and wondered if somebody out there would be willing to kind of walk me through it, answer questions, give me a diagram etc. Thanks! Douwe Ps. Make sure you all wear your name tags next week I can meet more of you. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: wiring help please?
Last, this is one from one of our members, I think (RGH)?... for a Corvair, but it has to be similar, except for the magneto stuff. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> >Sent: Jul 16, 2010 10:19 AM >To: pietenpolgroup >Subject: Pietenpol-List: wiring help please? > > >I'm not there yet, but hopefully will soon be wiring up my new 0200 >installation. Because I want to keep the nose short, I want the weight up >there so I'm going to leave the starter and generator on because, even with >all that, it's still less than the Ford with radiator. > >I'm not a wiz at wiring and wondered if somebody out there would be willing >to kind of walk me through it, answer questions, give me a diagram etc. > >Thanks! > >Douwe > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: wiring help please?
Here is another from the FlyBaby site. -----Original Message----- >From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> >Sent: Jul 16, 2010 10:19 AM >To: pietenpolgroup >Subject: Pietenpol-List: wiring help please? > > >I'm not there yet, but hopefully will soon be wiring up my new 0200 >installation. Because I want to keep the nose short, I want the weight up >there so I'm going to leave the starter and generator on because, even with >all that, it's still less than the Ford with radiator. > >I'm not a wiz at wiring and wondered if somebody out there would be willing >to kind of walk me through it, answer questions, give me a diagram etc. > >Thanks! > >Douwe > >Ps. Make sure you all wear your name tags next week I can meet more of you. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: wiring help please?
Douwe, I have sween some recent wiring diagrams, like the one from Peter's Piet in Australia. Will that do? If so, here it is. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> >Sent: Jul 16, 2010 10:19 AM >To: pietenpolgroup >Subject: Pietenpol-List: wiring help please? > > >I'm not there yet, but hopefully will soon be wiring up my new 0200 >installation. Because I want to keep the nose short, I want the weight up >there so I'm going to leave the starter and generator on because, even with >all that, it's still less than the Ford with radiator. > >I'm not a wiz at wiring and wondered if somebody out there would be willing >to kind of walk me through it, answer questions, give me a diagram etc. > >Thanks! > >Douwe > >Ps. Make sure you all wear your name tags next week I can meet more of you. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Directory
From: Bill Princell <weprincell(at)gmail.com>
Bill Princell > 7875 Clearwater Cove Drive > Indianapolis, IN 46240 > 317-578-7120 > weprincell(at)gmail.com > > Re-Build Project: 3-piece Wing - Long/Wide/Deep Fuselage > Corvair Engine Completed > Right Wing Completed > Center Section Completed (44" Wide) > > New Cub Type Landing Gear Completed > Engine Mount Completed > > Fuselage 85% Completed > Cockpit Interiors Completed > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: WEIGHT OF MODEL A FUSELAGE ON GEAR
From: "BYD" <bannerbill(at)att.net>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
How timely, I just weighed my Model-A fuselage with center section (and tank) on its gear and with the tail-feathers and controls on board and came up with 495 lbs. I wondered how that fit with others. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305093#305093 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: WEIGHT OF MODEL A FUSELAGE ON GEAR
From: "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Pretty close! I forgot to say mine included the uncovered tail surfaces and associated control cables, rudder bars and instruments. I do not have my radiator or center section fuel tank mounted yet. -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305098#305098 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: welcome Kelly!
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Kelly - e-mail me off line and I'll let you know next time I'm at HYI. If I go south I pretty much have to go there for gas. Also, you're welcome to visit most anytime at GTU (when I'm back from Brodhead/Oshkosh in 2 weeks). Tim Willis also has a project that you can tour nearby. kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305106#305106 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Directory
From: "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Steve chase 9240 Catterton Ct. Owings, MD 20736 Long Fuselage Piet...almost on gear A-65 in the garage -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305107#305107 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT
From: "womenfly2" <keriannprice(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
My Model-A with Zenith-B carb, B cam, Dan Price Alum HComp. head single spark plug, Smooth bore intake manifold, bored out .125 over nominal. She turned a 84" dia x 43" pitch wide blade (6") paddle blade prop of ash 1800 rpm static. She put out 59 hp. Could hang on the prop like a D.vII ... put not very long do to temp. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305108#305108 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: WEIGHT OF MODEL A FUSELAGE ON GEAR
From: "BYD" <bannerbill(at)att.net>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Thanks for the update - I wondered about the tail. I do have the radiator mounted and plumbed. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305109#305109 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Directory
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
I also would like to be included: Jon Coxwell, Remsen NY (just inside the Adirondack Park). A still practicing architect for too many years now trying to be an aeronautical engineer in my spare time. N594E GN-1 with some piet mods. I am building, rebuilding, modifying a project I bought several years ago on e-bay. Projected bumped around from owner to owner in Ontario and then traveled to Iowa. Where I picked it up and trailered it back to NY. I estimate 75% complete with 75% to go. Just now starting to make progress on new work rather than rebuilding. All woodwork is done, one wing and tail featheres covered. Engine is a Corvair partly modified to Wynn's standards, run for 5 hrs, but will need to be taken down and more mods made to Wynn's new standards. -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305125#305125 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Snowflake directory
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Larry, Thanks for pointing that out. I like several others didn't look closely at the dates. I belong to BPA but I did not know there was a directory available. Guess I should ask. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305127#305127 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Broadhead 2010
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
I hope to see and meet some of you at Brodhead. Weather is looking pretty good so I think I will fire up my newly acquired Suzuki Burgman (scooter) and head west for a 1000 mile (one way) adventure. This is the closest I can get to a Piet flight right now. About the same speed but I will be dodging cars instead of crows and sparrows. I hope to be at the field sometime Friday with my list of questions and a camera. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305128#305128 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Broadhead 2010
Date: Jul 16, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Good for you Jon. I will be firing up my Piet and heading west for my long 29 n.m. journey next week. Hope I make it!!! Look forward to meeting you . Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: coxwelljon <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 4:51 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Broadhead 2010 .net> I hope to see and meet some of you at Brodhead. Weather is looking prett y good o I think I will fire up my newly acquired Suzuki Burgman (scooter) and he ad est for a 1000 mile (one way) adventure. This is the closest I can get to a iet flight right now. About the same speed but I will be dodging cars ins tead f crows and sparrows. I hope to be at the field sometime Friday with my list f questions and a camera. Jon Coxwell -------- on Coxwell N-1 Builder ecycle and preserve the planet ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305128#305128 ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft
Fly-I
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Great stories. My kids are all adult now but I took them to Oshkosh when they were young. We flew in in a Mooney and camped under the wing. We had to keep them on a leash to be sure they didn't wander where they should not be. My daughter still talks about some of our trips as being real high points of her growing up. I hope I have the chance to take my grand kids or my partners grand kids up in the GN-1. I don't know, however, some of the younger generation parents are pretty protective. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305131#305131 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft
Fly-I
From: Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
I have many fond memories of brodhead fly-in's with my grandpa, made it to quite a few in the late 80's early 90's, it's even where I "flew by myself" for the first time! At the Pietenpol flyin none the less, grandpa used to have the quansenhut (sp?) hanger up there for many years too, really hoping to make it next year Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2010, at 6:06 PM, "coxwelljon" wrote: > > Great stories. My kids are all adult now but I took them to Oshkosh when they were young. We flew in in a Mooney and camped under the wing. We had to keep them on a leash to be sure they didn't wander where they should not be. My daughter still talks about some of our trips as being real high points of her growing up. I hope I have the chance to take my grand kids or my partners grand kids up in the GN-1. I don't know, however, some of the younger generation parents are pretty protective. > > Jon Coxwell > > -------- > Jon Coxwell > GN-1 Builder > Recycle and preserve the planet > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305131#305131 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Directory
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Did I miss something about another list? I know at one time Doc had a printed list. John Hoffman had a great list with pictures until the HACKERS hit it. If we need one I would be willing to post some sort of form in Excel or Word format on my site, which could be downloaded, filled in then emailed back to me. Again, if I can figure it out I could post the updated listing on my site. Or maybe we would want to keep it less public and I could email it to anyone that requested it. Your thoughts? Thanks, Jack www.textors.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 6:35 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Directory Jack Textor Des Moines, IA www.textors.com Long Fuselage, 3 piece wing, Continental 85, Wire Wheels Woodwork complete-wings and tail Fuselage 3/4 complete Arriving Brodhead Thursday PM or Friday AM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Directory
Date: Jul 16, 2010
That wasn't me. That online list is Glenn Thomas at flyingwood.com. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com On Jul 16, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Jack wrote: > > Did I miss something about another list? I know at one time Doc had a > printed list. John Hoffman had a great list with pictures until the HACKERS > hit it. If we need one I would be willing to post some sort of form in > Excel or Word format on my site, which could be downloaded, filled in then > emailed back to me. Again, if I can figure it out I could post the updated > listing on my site. Or maybe we would want to keep it less public and I > could email it to anyone that requested it. Your thoughts? > Thanks, > Jack > www.textors.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 6:35 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Directory > > > Jack Textor > Des Moines, IA > www.textors.com > Long Fuselage, 3 piece wing, Continental 85, Wire Wheels > Woodwork complete-wings and tail > Fuselage 3/4 complete > Arriving Brodhead Thursday PM or Friday AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Directory
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
You are correct John, thanks! Jack Textor Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2010, at 7:59 PM, John Hofmann wrote: > That wasn't me. That online list is Glenn Thomas at flyingwood.com. > > -john- > > John Hofmann > Vice-President, Information Technology > The Rees Group, Inc. > 2424 American Lane > Madison, WI 53704 > Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 > Fax: 608.443.2474 > Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com > > On Jul 16, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Jack wrote: > >> >> Did I miss something about another list? I know at one time Doc had a >> printed list. John Hoffman had a great list with pictures until the HACK ERS >> hit it. If we need one I would be willing to post some sort of form in >> Excel or Word format on my site, which could be downloaded, filled in the n >> emailed back to me. Again, if I can figure it out I could post the updat ed >> listing on my site. Or maybe we would want to keep it less public and I >> could email it to anyone that requested it. Your thoughts? >> Thanks, >> Jack >> www.textors.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack >> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 6:35 AM >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Directory >> >> >> Jack Textor >> Des Moines, IA >> www.textors.com >> Long Fuselage, 3 piece wing, Continental 85, Wire Wheels >> Woodwork complete-wings and tail >> Fuselage 3/4 complete >> Arriving Brodhead Thursday PM or Friday - The --> & n======================= >> >> > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Cont. A-75 Run-On
From: "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Guys, Had something new happen tonight on the GN-1 I purchased last month. I flew for about 1-3/4 hour, it was about 82 degree's out. When I landed and shut the engine off - it just sat their and "dieseled" on me. I don't have a fuel mixture cutoff installed on this plane - and it takes about 4-5 minutes of idling before it will shut down after fuel valve shutoff - so I sat and played with the throttle and occasionally flipped one or both mags on/off again (to see if I had a P-lead issue). I didn't hear any difference in engine dieseling or run during this play around period. It would almost shut off - just not quite... When I was finally able to get it to quit after about 4 minutes or so (I think it finally ran out of fuel), I chocked the wheels, made sure mags were off, and tried to hand prop it. The bugger tried to start on me. I run premium BP auto fuel (no ethanol mix). If memory serves me, I've got the Marvel MA3 on it (still learning this stuff). I've got about 8.5 hours on this plane now, this is the first I've seen this happen. Any comments on troubleshooting, I'd sure appreciate it. Lorin -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305154#305154 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2010
From: H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Cont. A-75 Run-On
I had a mag problem where it wouldn't shut off and-I had to send both mag s away =0Afor overhaul.When I got them back I still had a problem.Turned ou t the P lead =0Awas not touching the plate inside in order to shut her down .We bent the plate =0Aback into place so when it was put back togehter agai n it would touch.I checked =0AP leads till I was blue in the face and could n't find any problem.The problem =0Awas inside the mag.You may have a probl em like this.I too have a Marvel MA3 on =0Amy Franklin 80 hp.=0AOpen your m ag up but be sure you know how to put it back togther again or at =0Aleast have someone like I had who knew how to do it otherwise you could land up =0Ain a load of trouble if you put it back togther wrong.I use Eissman mags and =0Athere are gears inside which have to line up in a particular way an d don't =0Aforget as the gears go one turns clockwise the other turns anti clockwise =0Aetc.You have to line up with number one position.I had an AME help me;the guy =0Aknew his stuff.All is well with me now except my AME wan ts me to have a fuel =0Ashut off back in the cockpit and I am having troubl e trying to get the right set =0Aup.I have a new ball valve and I'm going t o try using my mixture control bowden =0Acable to use for a shut off- con trol.Hopefully I can get enough throw on it to =0Amake it work.My AME sez I won't be needing the mixture control since I won't be =0Aflying above 3000 feet.=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: ldmill <lorin.mi ller(at)emerson.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, July 17, 2010 12:31:07 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Cont. A-75 Run-On=0A=0A--> Piet enpol-List message posted by: "ldmill" =0A=0AGuys ,=0AHad something new happen tonight on the GN-1 I purchased last month. I flew for =0Aabout 1-3/4 hour, it was about 82 degree's out. When I landed a nd shut the =0Aengine off - it just sat their and "dieseled" on me. I don't have a fuel mixture =0Acutoff installed on this plane - and it takes about 4-5 minutes of idling before =0Ait will shut down after fuel valve shutoff - so I sat and played with the =0Athrottle and occasionally flipped one or both mags on/off again (to see if I had =0Aa P-lead issue). I didn't hear any difference in engine dieseling or run during =0Athis play around period . It would almost shut off - just not quite...=0A=0AWhen I was finally able to get it to quit after about 4 minutes or so (I think =0Ait finally ran o ut of fuel), I chocked the wheels, made sure mags were off, and =0Atried to hand prop it. The bugger tried to start on me.=0A=0AI run premium BP auto fuel (no ethanol mix).=0A=0AIf memory serves me, I've got the Marvel MA3 on it (still learning this stuff).=0A=0AI've got about 8.5 hours on this plan e now, this is the first I've seen this =0Ahappen.=0A=0AAny comments on tro ubleshooting, I'd sure appreciate it.=0A=0ALorin=0A=0A--------=0ALorin Mill er=0AWaiex N81YX=0AGN-1 N30PP=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305154#305154=0A=0A=0A=0A =========================0A ================= ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cont. A-75 Run-On
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net>
Date: Jul 17, 2010
Just turn the fuel valve off and let it idle until the gas burns out of the carb. It will die. That is what I used to do on the Luscombe I had. Works every time. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305161#305161 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Weather report: Forecast for Brodhead next week...looooooooking
gooood !!
Date: Jul 17, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Not too bad. I'll take the heat in lieu of all-day rain. Wednesday: HI 88=C2=B0 LO 74=C2=B0 Quite warm and humid. Convective clouds build into clusters of thunderstor ms. Locally heavy downpours likely. Southerly winds 10 to 15 mph. Thursday: HI 97 LO 77 Mostly sunny, breezy southwest winds, hot and humid. Isolated afternoon th understorms possible. Heat indexes of 100 degrees or higher Friday: Partly cloudy HI 98=C2=B0 LO 77=C2=B0 Mostly sunny, intensely hot and humid. Highs in the upper 90s with a local 100-degree reading possible. Heat index again exceeds 100 degrees Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Weather report: Forecast for Brodhead next week...looooooooking
gooood !!
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2010
Looking good... for a sweat lodge... -- yocum(at)gmail.com On Jul 17, 2010, at 6:37 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > Not too bad. I'll take the heat in lieu of all-day rain. > > Wednesday: > HI 88=C2=B0 > LO 74=C2=B0 > Quite warm and humid. Convective clouds build into clusters of thunderstor ms. Locally heavy downpours likely. Southerly winds 10 to 15 mph. > > Thursday: > HI 97 > LO 77 > Mostly sunny, breezy southwest winds, hot and humid. Isolated afternoon th understorms possible. Heat indexes of 100 degrees or higher > > Friday: > Partly cloudy > HI 98=C2=B0 > LO 77=C2=B0 > Mostly sunny, intensely hot and humid. Highs in the upper 90s with a local 100-degree reading possible. Heat index again exceeds 100 degrees > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Weather report: Forecast for Brodhead next week...looooooooking
gooood !! Sweat lodge? And that bunch of characters across the field? Egad, that's creepy..... -----Original Message----- From: Dan Yocum Sent: Jul 17, 2010 5:50 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Weather report: Forecast for Brodhead next week...looooooooking gooood !! Looking good... for a sweat lodge... -- yocum(at)gmail.com On Jul 17, 2010, at 6:37 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: Not too bad. I'll take the heat in lieu of all-day rain. Wednesday: HI 88 LO 74 Quite warm and humid. Convective clouds build into clusters of thunderstorms. Locally heavy downpours likely. Southerly winds 10 to 15 mph. Thursday: HI 97 LO 77 Mostly sunny, breezy southwest winds, hot and humid. Isolated afternoon thunderstorms possible. Heat indexes of 100 degrees or higher Friday: Partly cloudy HI 98 LO 77 Mostly sunny, intensely hot and humid. Highs in the upper 90s with a local 100-degree reading possible. Heat index again exceeds 100 degrees Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Cont. A-75 Run-On
Date: Jul 17, 2010
Lorin, What type of mag switch do you have? I had an A-7 corrode and go bad on me. They are old and notorious for that. Easy to fix but just something to think about. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com On Jul 16, 2010, at 11:31 PM, ldmill wrote: > > Guys, > Had something new happen tonight on the GN-1 I purchased last month. I flew for about 1-3/4 hour, it was about 82 degree's out. When I landed and shut the engine off - it just sat their and "dieseled" on me. I don't have a fuel mixture cutoff installed on this plane - and it takes about 4-5 minutes of idling before it will shut down after fuel valve shutoff - so I sat and played with the throttle and occasionally flipped one or both mags on/off again (to see if I had a P-lead issue). I didn't hear any difference in engine dieseling or run during this play around period. It would almost shut off - just not quite... > > When I was finally able to get it to quit after about 4 minutes or so (I think it finally ran out of fuel), I chocked the wheels, made sure mags were off, and tried to hand prop it. The bugger tried to start on me. > > I run premium BP auto fuel (no ethanol mix). > > If memory serves me, I've got the Marvel MA3 on it (still learning this stuff). > > I've got about 8.5 hours on this plane now, this is the first I've seen this happen. > > Any comments on troubleshooting, I'd sure appreciate it. > > Lorin > > -------- > Lorin Miller > Waiex N81YX > GN-1 N30PP > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305154#305154 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cont. A-75 Run-On
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: Jul 17, 2010
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Subject: Re: Weather report: Forecast for Brodhead next week...looooooook
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2010
I'm an optimist, I'm going with the weather.com forecast. About 10 degrees cooler... http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USWI0092 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305181#305181 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: corvair
Hi Pieters, I have my engine back on my plane and today I flew it for an hour. It flies great and all temps are normal. William did a great job with 3 new pistons and reworking the rt .hand cylinder head. Also he tweaked the timing . He will have to explain that at Brodhead. Don't forget to ask him. I'll see you guys at brodhead. I am flying up in my Cessna 140 as I have only 20 hours on the Piet. Gardiner Mason ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Directory
From: "gbgi" <mgranos(at)flightschoolmarketing.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2010
Matt Granos Farmington, MN http://pietenpol.electricalprofit.com Corvair Powered Long Fuselage Pietenpol Building Ribs at the moment. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305201#305201 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: NX929DH report; Good to go- Brodhead Wi.
Date: Jul 17, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Hello all, Well I flew my Piet for 2-1/2 hrs this weekend. I now feel confident enoug h about the plane and pilot to venture out past the airport perimeter now. Work permitting, I would like to hook-up with the gaggle that will be pas sing through here on Thursday afternoon; Jack Phillips, Randy Busch, John Hoffman, and Dan (the man) Yokum. That would make five of us all arriving at the same time. Cool. My prop works GREAT! Even at the slowest of idles, I can hardly keep the airplane still, even in the grass. Still have a couple of oil leaks. I was able to plug the two major ones, so it is a manageable flow :O). As far as that nose-heaviness, I adjusted the outboard LE of the horizontal stab "down" with the help of the wires. This worked great, and I almost have it. This week I will replace my trim bungee cords with larger diameter, so hopefully my trim system will be ab le to take the rest of it out. Still trying to figure out why I am nose heavy. I talked to Walt Bowie (Fo rd A) a while back, and he said his plane is nose heavy also. I am really looking forward to meeting (again) with everybody on this list . I will be hanging around my plane a lot. Please stop by and say hello. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NX929DH report; Good to go- Brodhead Wi.
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: Jul 17, 2010
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Date: Jul 17, 2010
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: tires and tubes
Randy, nice topic!- I was stuck with a flat tire today at a pankake break fast.- I used to work part time at the maint shop there, so I had tools t o use, no tube though.- I tried a tire tube patch kit and it worked long enough to taxi 2000 ft from the hanger and then went flat again.- I ended up having dad bring the old small 600-6 tire and tubes from my hanger 30 m iles away and flew home with them.- It shot my day all to heck, but there are worse places to be stuck than an airport.- At least I did not have t o land on a flat tire so it all worked out. - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
So, I got the new oil pressure gauge installed on Wed night about 10:30 and finally too her out for a spin, today. There was a 7-8 second lag before any reading came up on the gauge, but when it did start to increase it was nice and smooth, not the *pop* like before. Initial cold oil pressure was 45-50 and only fell to about 42 when the temp climbed to 175F. At idle it was 15. I'll try to fly it a couple more time before Thursday, but I think I'll call it good and move on... Dan On 07/09/2010 08:04 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > I swear, I can't win for losing! Took a ride up to Poplar Grove tonight > and the oil temp got up to 82C and the pressure wouldn't go *below* > 52psi during cruise and at idle it was at 35. I mean, seriously. Excuse > my French, but Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?? > > I'm now fairly convinced the pressure gauge is flakier than my Aunt > Ethel, the way it pops around, but do I put the "old" style spring back > in? Jeez! > > Any one care to venture a guess? > > Befuddled in Illinois > > -- > yocum(at)gmail.com > >> -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2010
Subject: Re: corvair
Congrats on getting the Piet back in the air! Any details on how you reworked our cowling/baffling? Ryan Mueller Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2010, at 12:03 PM, airlion wrote: > > Hi Pieters, I have my engine back on my plane and today I flew it for an hour. > It flies great and all temps are normal. William did a great job with 3 new > pistons and reworking the rt .hand cylinder head. Also he tweaked the timing . > He will have to explain that at Brodhead. Don't forget to ask him. I'll see you > guys at brodhead. I am flying up in my Cessna 140 as I have only 20 hours on the > Piet. Gardiner Mason > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2010
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: corvair
I will bring some pictures to Brodhead Ryan. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 1:27:34 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair Congrats on getting the Piet back in the air! Any details on how you reworked our cowling/baffling? Ryan Mueller Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2010, at 12:03 PM, airlion wrote: > > Hi Pieters, I have my engine back on my plane and today I flew it for an hour. > It flies great and all temps are normal. William did a great job with 3 new > pistons and reworking the rt .hand cylinder head. Also he tweaked the timing . > He will have to explain that at Brodhead. Don't forget to ask him. I'll see you > guys at brodhead. I am flying up in my Cessna 140 as I have only 20 hours on >the > Piet. Gardiner Mason > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Updated wx forecast for Brodhead; Jack, Randy, et.al,
winds will be in your favor
Date: Jul 18, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Wednesday Partly cloudy HI 90=C2=B0 LO 72=C2=B0 Quite warm and humid. Thunderstorms possible early, but more likely as con vective clouds build during the afternoon. South to southeast winds. Thursday Mostly clear HI 95=C2=B0 LO 75=C2=B0 T-storms possible very early, otherwise mostly sunny, breezy, hot and humi d. Heat indices exceed 100 degrees. South to southwest winds. Friday Partly cloudy HI 95=C2=B0 LO 77=C2=B0 Partly cloudy, gusty southwest winds, hot and humid. A slight chance of t- storms, but mostly rain-free. Heat indices again exceed 100 degrees ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Directory
From: "TOPGUN" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net>
Date: Jul 18, 2010
short fuse done left wing done right wing 80% empenage done center section done alum fuel tank mostly done, working on custom gage. mitsubishi 4g54 engine ready to assemble engine mount done jenny gear with custom spoked wheels atv disc brakes I am planning on bringing my engine to brodhead on friday just to show and tell if anyone is interested in looking at another alternative. Chris rusch two rivers Wisconsin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305306#305306 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Directory
Hi Chris, Long time, no see. Am I remembering correctly that is an engine you pulled out of a forklift and it runs on diesel? See you Friday! Dan On 07/18/2010 10:57 AM, TOPGUN wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "TOPGUN" > > short fuse done > left wing done > right wing 80% > empenage done > center section done > alum fuel tank mostly done, working on custom gage. > mitsubishi 4g54 engine ready to assemble > engine mount done > jenny gear with custom spoked wheels > atv disc brakes > > I am planning on bringing my engine to brodhead on friday just to show and tell if anyone is interested in looking at another alternative. > > Chris rusch > two rivers > Wisconsin > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305306#305306 > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: corvair
Great news, Gardiner! > >Hi Pieters, I have my engine back on my plane and today I flew it for an hour. >It flies great and all temps are normal. William did a great job with 3 new >pistons and reworking the rt .hand cylinder head. Also he tweaked the timing . >He will have to explain that at Brodhead. Don't forget to ask him. >I'll see you >guys at brodhead. I am flying up in my Cessna 140 as I have only 20 >hours on the >Piet. Gardiner Mason > -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Directory
From: "TOPGUN" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net>
Date: Jul 18, 2010
Hi Dan, Yes its from a forklift, but it runs on gas. When i ran it the first time, i used 100ll yocum137 wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Long time, no see. Am I remembering correctly that is an engine you > pulled out of a forklift and it runs on diesel? See you Friday! > > Dan > > > On 07/18/2010 10:57 AM, TOPGUN wrote: > > > > > > > short fuse done > > left wing done > > right wing 80% > > empenage done > > center section done > > alum fuel tank mostly done, working on custom gage. > > mitsubishi 4g54 engine ready to assemble > > engine mount done > > jenny gear with custom spoked wheels > > atv disc brakes > > > > I am planning on bringing my engine to brodhead on friday just to show and tell if anyone is interested in looking at another alternative. > > > > Chris rusch > > two rivers > > Wisconsin > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305306#305306 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305361#305361 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Singleton" <slsingleton(at)cvalley.net>
Subject: control horn mounting
Date: Jul 18, 2010
Can i ask a silly question. Do i just use plywood plates under the Tail control horn tabs to center them up on the main beams or am makeing this more complicated than it really is. Steve ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2010
From: Phil Hopkins <hopkinsp2(at)gmail.com>
Subject: short fuse and A-65/Corvair
Hello all, Sorry to ask this question now while so many are busy packing or already on their way to Brodhead, but I thought I'd throw it out there, anyway, and don't have to be in a hurry for answers. I've done some research, but would appreciate hearing what the hoary heads on the list think as well. I have the chance at a Piet project, but it's a short fuselage (already built). I'm REALLY set on either an A-65 or a Corvair engine. I understand that this might be an okay pairing, given the tail heaviness of the design. I'm about 180-185 and will be flying passengers smaller than me at all times, I'm pretty sure. Would a short fuselage work fine in this scenario? Would it be better, if I'm set on those engines, to build a longer fuselage myself? Thanks for any help. Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2010
From: Phil Hopkins <hopkinsp2(at)gmail.com>
Subject: short fuse and A-65/Corvair
Hello all, Sorry to ask this question now while so many are busy packing or already on their way to Brodhead, but I thought I'd throw it out there, anyway, and don't have to be in a hurry for answers. I've done some research, but would appreciate hearing what the hoary heads on the list think as well. I have the chance at a Piet project, but it's a short fuselage (already built). I'm REALLY set on either an A-65 or a Corvair engine. I understand that this might be an okay pairing, given the tail heaviness of the design. I'm about 180-185 and will be flying passengers smaller than me at all times, I'm pretty sure. Would a short fuselage work fine in this scenario? Would it be better, if I'm set on those engines, to build a longer fuselage myself? Thanks for any help. Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Pietn38b(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 18, 2010
Subject: Re: short fuse and A-65/Corvair
Phil My Piet is a short fuselage with a corvair. I am 200+ and have had a 200+ passenger. The ROC was not great but ok. My wing sets about four inches aft of vertical on the cabanes. Jim Ballew _pietn38b(at)aol.com_ (mailto:pietn38b(at)aol.com) In a message dated 7/18/2010 6:41:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, hopkinsp2(at)gmail.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Phil Hopkins Hello all, Sorry to ask this question now while so many are busy packing or already on their way to Brodhead, but I thought I'd throw it out there, anyway, and don't have to be in a hurry for answers. I've done some research, but would appreciate hearing what the hoary heads on the list think as well. I have the chance at a Piet project, but it's a short fuselage (already built). I'm REALLY set on either an A-65 or a Corvair engine. I understand that this might be an okay pairing, given the tail heaviness of the design. I'm about 180-185 and will be flying passengers smaller than me at all times, I'm pretty sure. Would a short fuselage work fine in this scenario? Would it be better, if I'm set on those engines, to build a longer fuselage myself? Thanks for any help. Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: short fuse and A-65/Corvair
Date: Jul 18, 2010
Phil, Mike Cuy's Lindy-winning Pietenpol has a short fuselage and an A-65 Continental and flies very well indeed. I'm 200 lbs and have flown Mike's plane (as well as my own A65 powered long fuselage Pietenpol). In some respects I think the short fuse is better (it's lighter). I'd say go for it. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil Hopkins Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 7:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: short fuse and A-65/Corvair Hello all, Sorry to ask this question now while so many are busy packing or already on their way to Brodhead, but I thought I'd throw it out there, anyway, and don't have to be in a hurry for answers. I've done some research, but would appreciate hearing what the hoary heads on the list think as well. I have the chance at a Piet project, but it's a short fuselage (already built). I'm REALLY set on either an A-65 or a Corvair engine. I understand that this might be an okay pairing, given the tail heaviness of the design. I'm about 180-185 and will be flying passengers smaller than me at all times, I'm pretty sure. Would a short fuselage work fine in this scenario? Would it be better, if I'm set on those engines, to build a longer fuselage myself? Thanks for any help. Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2010
From: CJ Borsuk <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Construction has begun!
Hey Guys,=0A=C2-=0AI hope everyone going to Brodhead and Oshkosh has a gr eat time! I hope to make =0Ait next year. =0A=0A=C2-=0AI have started my project and wanted to relate my experiences to those getting =0Aready to st art. I have completed six ribs and have seven, eight & 9 under =0Aconstruct ion.=0A=C2-=0A1)=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- I ordered my spruce from W icks and I very pleased with their service and =0Aquality of wood. I ordere d cap strips at 60 inches and had them cut down a 4 by =0A4 sheet of plywoo d to 4 by 2. I ordered enough wood to build about 19 ribs (it =0Aworks out to 3.167 sixty-inch cap strips per rib). Shipping cost was $27.37 plus =0A$ 4.50 to crate the plywood. The math comes in about $11.15 per rib including =0Ashipping charges. That does not include T-88, which I picked up at my l ocal =0AWoodcraft store. How do these numbers match up? Let us know.=0A2) =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Homebuilder Hints on the EAA website have be en a great help. Invisible =0AGlove protective hand coating is great stuff. I ordered mine from Amazon =93 free =0Ashipping on orders over $25. I also used the EAA recommendation for a bending =0Ajig, except I just cut mine out of 2x4 and it works great. I am not steaming my =0Awood, just soak ing it in a water pipe overnight and putting it in the bending =0Ajig. I am stapling my gussets. For those of you who have an AC Moore craft store =0A close by or you can order online, they have 50% off coupons on their websit e. I =0Awas able to get a good stapler for under $10 with the coupon. I als o plan to go =0Aback and get more staples at 50% off.=0A=C2-=0AI have att ached a couple of pictures of my shop and first rib.=0A=C2-=0AChuck Borsu k=0A91-524-5398=0ARaleigh NC=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Construction has begun!
Date: Jul 18, 2010
Looking good, Chuck! Very nice looking shop. I'm expecting to see an award winning Pietenpol coming out of such a shop. Hopefully I can come by and see it firsthand after Brodhead. Maybe I can come with Jim Markle - he's going to be in the area. I'm sure there's something in that shop he can use. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CJ Borsuk Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 8:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Construction has begun! Hey Guys, I hope everyone going to Brodhead and Oshkosh has a great time! I hope to make it next year. I have started my project and wanted to relate my experiences to those getting ready to start. I have completed six ribs and have seven, eight & 9 under construction. 1) I ordered my spruce from Wicks and I very pleased with their service and quality of wood. I ordered cap strips at 60 inches and had them cut down a 4 by 4 sheet of plywood to 4 by 2. I ordered enough wood to build about 19 ribs (it works out to 3.167 sixty-inch cap strips per rib). Shipping cost was $27.37 plus $4.50 to crate the plywood. The math comes in about $11.15 per rib including shipping charges. That does not include T-88, which I picked up at my local Woodcraft store. How do these numbers match up? Let us know. 2) Homebuilder Hints on the EAA website have been a great help. Invisible Glove protective hand coating is great stuff. I ordered mine from Amazon - free shipping on orders over $25. I also used the EAA recommendation for a bending jig, except I just cut mine out of 2x4 and it works great. I am not steaming my wood, just soaking it in a water pipe overnight and putting it in the bending jig. I am stapling my gussets. For those of you who have an AC Moore craft store close by or you can order online, they have 50% off coupons on their website. I was able to get a good stapler for under $10 with the coupon. I also plan to go back and get more staples at 50% off. I have attached a couple of pictures of my shop and first rib. Chuck Borsuk 91-524-5398 Raleigh NC ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: control horn mounting
Date: Jul 18, 2010
I did. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/IMG_0916.JPG Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Singleton Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 3:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: control horn mounting Can i ask a silly question. Do i just use plywood plates under the Tail control horn tabs to center them up on the main beams or am makeing this more complicated than it really is. Steve ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2010
From: greg menoche <gnwac(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Construction has begun!
Great looking shop and congrats on the process. Thanks for the inspiration. Greg Menoche -----Original Message----- From: CJ Borsuk Sent: Jul 18, 2010 8:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Construction has begun! Hey Guys, I hope everyone going to Brodhead and Oshkosh has a great time! I hope to make it next year. I have started my project and wanted to relate my experiences to those getting ready to start. I have completed six ribs and have seven, eight & 9 under construction. 1) I ordered my spruce from Wicks and I very pleased with their service and quality of wood. I ordered cap strips at 60 inches and had them cut down a 4 by 4 sheet of plywood to 4 by 2. I ordered enough wood to build about 19 ribs (it works out to 3.167 sixty-inch cap strips per rib). Shipping cost was $27.37 plus $4.50 to crate the plywood. The math comes in about $11.15 per rib including shipping charges. That does not include T-88, which I picked up at my local Woodcraft store. How do these numbers match up? Let us know. 2) Homebuilder Hints on the EAA website have been a great help. Invisible Glove protective hand coating is great stuff. I ordered mine from Amazon free shipping on orders over $25. I also used the EAA recommendation for a bending jig, except I just cut mine out of 2x4 and it works great. I am not steaming my wood, just soaking it in a water pipe overnight and putting it in the bending jig. I am stapling my gussets. For those of you who have an AC Moore craft store close by or you can order online, they have 50% off coupons on their website. I was able to get a good stapler for under $10 with the coupon. I also plan to go back and get more staples at 50% off. I have attached a couple of pictures of my shop and first rib. Chuck Borsuk 91-524-5398 Raleigh NC ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Construction has begun!
From: "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 18, 2010
WOW very nice shop! Man I could spend days in there! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305396#305396 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Construction has begun!
Wow, totally agree! I don't know how anyone can work in such a clean shop but...maybe it can be done.... :-) I see maybe some signs of Norm Abrams' influence? (one of my personal heroes....) And isn't it an amazing feeling holding those first few ribs? I love that part. And yes, thanks for the inspiration! jm -----Original Message----- >From: greg menoche <gnwac(at)earthlink.net> >Sent: Jul 18, 2010 10:11 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Construction has begun! > > >Great looking shop and congrats on the process. Thanks for the inspiration. Greg Menoche > > >-----Original Message----- >From: CJ Borsuk >Sent: Jul 18, 2010 8:28 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Construction has begun! > > >Hey Guys, > >I hope everyone going to Brodhead and Oshkosh has a great time! I hope to make it next year. > >I have started my project and wanted to relate my experiences to those getting ready to start. I have completed six ribs and have seven, eight & 9 under construction. > >1) I ordered my spruce from Wicks and I very pleased with their service and quality of wood. I ordered cap strips at 60 inches and had them cut down a 4 by 4 sheet of plywood to 4 by 2. I ordered enough wood to build about 19 ribs (it works out to 3.167 sixty-inch cap strips per rib). Shipping cost was $27.37 plus $4.50 to crate the plywood. The math comes in about $11.15 per rib including shipping charges. That does not include T-88, which I picked up at my local Woodcraft store. How do these numbers match up? Let us know. >2) Homebuilder Hints on the EAA website have been a great help. Invisible Glove protective hand coating is great stuff. I ordered mine from Amazon free shipping on orders over $25. I also used the EAA recommendation for a bending jig, except I just cut mine out of 2x4 and it works great. I am not steaming my wood, just soaking it in a water pipe overnight and putting it in the bending jig. I am stapling my gussets. For those of you who have an AC Moore craft store close by or you can order online, they have 50% off coupons on their website. I was able to get a good stapler for under $10 with the coupon. I also plan to go back and get more staples at 50% off. > >I have attached a couple of pictures of my shop and first rib. > >Chuck Borsuk >91-524-5398 >Raleigh NC > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Singleton" <slsingleton(at)cvalley.net>
Subject: Re: control horn mounting
Date: Jul 18, 2010
Thanks Chris. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 8:37 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: control horn mounting I did. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/IMG_0916.JPG Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Singleton Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 3:48 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: control horn mounting Can i ask a silly question. Do i just use plywood plates under the Tail control horn tabs to center them up on the main beams or am makeing this more complicated than it really is. Steve href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Construction has begun!
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Chuck, beautiful work! Be sure to send Chris Tracy progress photos so he can post on www.westcoastpiet.com <http://www.westcoastpiet.com/> . Jack DSM PS Is that your phone #, missing a number? _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CJ Borsuk Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 7:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Construction has begun! Hey Guys, I hope everyone going to Brodhead and Oshkosh has a great time! I hope to make it next year. I have started my project and wanted to relate my experiences to those getting ready to start. I have completed six ribs and have seven, eight & 9 under construction. 1) I ordered my spruce from Wicks and I very pleased with their service and quality of wood. I ordered cap strips at 60 inches and had them cut down a 4 by 4 sheet of plywood to 4 by 2. I ordered enough wood to build about 19 ribs (it works out to 3.167 sixty-inch cap strips per rib). Shipping cost was $27.37 plus $4.50 to crate the plywood. The math comes in about $11.15 per rib including shipping charges. That does not include T-88, which I picked up at my local Woodcraft store. How do these numbers match up? Let us know. 2) Homebuilder Hints on the EAA website have been a great help. Invisible Glove protective hand coating is great stuff. I ordered mine from Amazon - free shipping on orders over $25. I also used the EAA recommendation for a bending jig, except I just cut mine out of 2x4 and it works great. I am not steaming my wood, just soaking it in a water pipe overnight and putting it in the bending jig. I am stapling my gussets. For those of you who have an AC Moore craft store close by or you can order online, they have 50% off coupons on their website. I was able to get a good stapler for under $10 with the coupon. I also plan to go back and get more staples at 50% off. I have attached a couple of pictures of my shop and first rib. Chuck Borsuk 91-524-5398 Raleigh NC ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: WX forecast- update for Brodhead-South winds abound
Date: Jul 19, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Wednesday HI 90=C2=B0 LO 72=C2=B0 Very warm, hazy and humid. Again thunderstorms possible mainly early and late in the day covering 50 percent of the area. Southerly winds. Thursday HI 92=C2=B0 LO 75=C2=B0 Variable cloudiness, breezy, hot and humid with a chance of thunderstorms. Heat index could exceed 100 degrees. South winds 10 to 20 mph. Friday HI 96=C2=B0 LO 72=C2=B0 Partly sunny, southwest winds gusting over 25 mph, very hot and humid. Dan gerous heat indexes. Thunderstorms late in the day and overnight ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Pietenpol Directory Update
Date: Jul 19, 2010
If you would like to include your information in the directory, please fill out the attached Word document and return to my home email jack(at)textors.com. Just include the information you wish. I won't plan to post it to my site or any other. After I compile the information, I will make it available via email in some form; I'm thinking a Word, Excel or PDF doc might be the best. Looking forward to Brodhead then the other show, thanks! Jack KDSM ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Directory Update
From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 19, 2010
The attached file is a .dat, which is not recognized by my computer or by MS Word... Can you re-post the item, with a .doc format? Thanks, -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305415#305415 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Construction has begun!
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Wow Chuck... great looking shop indeed! And the assembly line you have set up... you will find that process to be very beneficial, as you probably already know from your obvious organizational skills. Like Jim said... those first few ribs are great. A real neat feeling to complete the first few pieces of your project. I'm looking forward to watching your progress. -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305419#305419 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Mitsubishi engine
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Can't wait to see it Chris, thanks for bringing it!! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Construction has begun!
Date: Jul 19, 2010
One suggestion - before taking down your rib making setup, make at least one extra rib for a wall hanging. I wish I had done that - now that I want one to hang up in my hangar I've got to cut all those pieces and learn again how to make a rib (it's amazing how quickly you forget hard-learned procedures) Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Construction has begun! Wow Chuck... great looking shop indeed! And the assembly line you have set up... you will find that process to be very beneficial, as you probably already know from your obvious organizational skills. Like Jim said... those first few ribs are great. A real neat feeling to complete the first few pieces of your project. I'm looking forward to watching your progress. -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305419#305419 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: WX forecast- update for Brodhead-South winds abound
For those of you who watch Mythbusters on occasion, I can only say this: "I reject your reality and substitute my own" Wed HI 86 LO 69 Precip 20% Winds 7mph, 208 Partly cloudy Thu HI 77 LO 71 Precip 60% Winds 11mph, 167 Scattered thunderstorms possible. Fri HI 87 LO 70 Precip 60% Winds 11mph, 223 Scattered thunderstorms. Sat HI 81 LO 65 Precip 30% Winds 8mph, 310 Slight chance of a thunderstorms. On 07/19/2010 06:06 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > Wednesday > HI > 90 > LO > 72 > Very warm, hazy and humid. Again thunderstorms possible mainly early and > late in the day covering 50 percent of the area. Southerly winds. > # > # > Thursday > HI > 92 > LO > 75 > Variable cloudiness, breezy, hot and humid with a chance of > thunderstorms. Heat index could exceed 100 degrees. South winds 10 to 20 > mph. > # > # > Friday > HI > 96 > LO > 72 > Partly sunny, southwest winds gusting over 25 mph, very hot and humid. > Dangerous heat indexes. Thunderstorms late in the day and overnight > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: WX forecast- update for Brodhead-South winds abound
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Yep, I like your reality much better Dan. -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305434#305434 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Construction has begun!
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 19, 2010
I see a copy of Fine Woodworking magazine, as well as a Bush/Cheney campaign sign. Yep, good things should be ahead. -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305437#305437 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Subject: Re: Construction has begun!
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Congrats, you will have a hard time building a Piet thats nicer than your shop. On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 9:42 PM, j_dunavin wrote: > > WOW very nice shop! Man I could spend days in there! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305396#305396 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Eric Williams <ewilliams805(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Construction has begun!
Date: Jul 19, 2010
I see what looks like Glen-L boat plans pinned to the wall. > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Construction has begun! > From: hangar10(at)cox.net > Date: Mon=2C 19 Jul 2010 08:03:58 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > I see a copy of Fine Woodworking magazine=2C as well as a Bush/Cheney cam paign sign. Yep=2C good things should be ahead. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305437#305437 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Subject: Making a trial rib
From: John Fay <jfay1950(at)gmail.com>
> > [One suggestion - before taking down your rib making setup, make at least > one > extra rib for a wall hanging. I wish I had done that] When I built my ribs, I did the first one out of pine that I cut out of stuff I had lying around. I felt it would give me good practice, and help me make sure that everything was set up right and working. I now I have a nice example rib hanging on my wall at school. John Fay in Peoria ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Directory Update
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Sorry Tom, it was a doc. I resaved in all the old versions and added excel. Hope this works. Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tkreiner Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 7:02 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Directory Update The attached file is a .dat, which is not recognized by my computer or by MS Word... Can you re-post the item, with a .doc format? Thanks, -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305415#305415 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Pietenpol Directory Update
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Thanks to those sending back their info. Some had problems opening the file. I resaved in all the versions of Word and also included an Excel file. Please don't send info within the email back to me. It's best if you fill out the document and return the file attached. That way it's easier for me to cut and paste. Well that's about clear as mud. Thanks, Jack _____________________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 6:27 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory Update If you would like to include your information in the directory, please fill out the attached Word document and return to my home email jack(at)textors.com. Just include the information you wish. I won't plan to post it to my site or any other. After I compile the information, I will make it available via email in some form; I'm thinking a Word, Excel or PDF doc might be the best. Looking forward to Brodhead then the other show, thanks! Jack KDSM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2010
From: CJ Borsuk <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Construction has begun!
Thanks Jim - =0A=0ANorm has been an influence for years! Your pictures on W est Coast Piet have also =0Abeen a great help. Thanks for posting them, I n eed to do the same.=0A=0AJack says you may be coming to town. If you do, we need to try and get together. =0AI need Jack to come by and check on my wo rk before I get too far.=0A=C2-=0AChuck=0A919.524.5398=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____ ____________________________=0AFrom: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, July 18, 2010 11:59:28 PM =0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Construction has begun!=0A=0A--> Pietenpol- List message posted by: Jim Markle =0A=0AWow, to tally agree!=C2- I don't know how anyone can work in such a clean shop =0Abut...maybe it can be done....=C2- :-)=0A=0AI see maybe some signs of Norm Abrams' influence? (one of my personal =0Aheroes....)=0A=0AAnd isn't i t an amazing feeling holding those first few ribs?=C2- I love that part. =0A=0AAnd yes, thanks for the inspiration!=0A=0Ajm=0A=0A=0A-----Original Me ssage-----=0A>From: greg menoche <gnwac(at)earthlink.net>=0A>Sent: Jul 18, 201 0 10:11 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-Li eg menoche =0A>=0A>Great looking shop and congrats on the process.=C2- Thanks for the inspiration. =0A>Greg Menoche=0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>-----Original Message----- =0A>From: CJ Borsuk =0A>Sent: Jul 18, 2010 8 :28 PM =0A>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Co nstruction has begun! =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Hey Guys,=0A> =0A>I h ope everyone going to Brodhead and Oshkosh has a great time! I hope to make =0A>it next year. =0A>=0A> =0A>I have started my project and wanted to rel ate my experiences to those getting =0A>ready to start. I have completed si x ribs and have seven, eight & 9 under =0A>construction.=0A> =0A>1)=C2- =C2- =C2- I ordered my spruce from Wicks and I very pleased with their service and =0A>quality of wood. I ordered cap strips at 60 inches and had them cut down a 4 by =0A>4 sheet of plywood to 4 by 2. I ordered enough woo d to build about 19 ribs (it =0A>works out to 3.167 sixty-inch cap strips p er rib). Shipping cost was $27.37 plus =0A>$4.50 to crate the plywood. The math comes in about $11.15 per rib including =0A>shipping charges. That doe s not include T-88, which I picked up at my local =0A>Woodcraft store. How do these numbers match up? Let us know.=0A>2)=C2- =C2- =C2- Homebuild er Hints on the EAA website have been a great help. Invisible =0A>Glove pro tective hand coating is great stuff. I ordered mine from Amazon =93 f ree =0A>shipping on orders over $25. I also used the EAA recommendation for a bending =0A>jig, except I just cut mine out of 2x4 and it works great. I am not steaming my =0A>wood, just soaking it in a water pipe overnight and putting it in the bending =0A>jig. I am stapling my gussets. For those of you who have an AC Moore craft store =0A>close by or you can order online, they have 50% off coupons on their website. I =0A>was able to get a good st apler for under $10 with the coupon. I also plan to go =0A>back and get mor e staples at 50% off.=0A> =0A>I have attached a couple of pictures of my sh op and first rib.=0A> =0A>Chuck Borsuk=0A>91-524-5398=0A>Raleigh NC=0A>=0A> =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt =============0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2010
From: CJ Borsuk <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Construction has begun!
The family wanted the boat built first, but after going up in Jack Phillip' s =0APiet it was all over.=0A-=0AChuck=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________________ ____________=0AI see what looks like-Glen-L boat plans pinned to the wall .=0A=0A-=0A> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Construction has begun!=0A> Fro m: hangar10(at)cox.net=0A> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:03:58 -0700=0A> To: piete AC" =0A> =0A> I see a copy of Fine Woodworking magazine, as well as a Bush/Cheney campaign =0A>sign. Yep, good things should be ahea d.=0A> =0A> --------=0A> Mark Chouinard=0A> Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section=0A>- =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Construction has begun!
I've built several of Norm's projects and use his ideas all the time (used a few on my Piet!). And Chris' westcoastpiet site...awesome! I'm still amazed at how, even after 8 yrs on my Piet project, I can look at the pics over there and find out how to solve an issue I may have been thinking about for a while. Fantastic resource! I'll be coming through Raleigh (I'll be doing some consulting in Rocky Mount NC) the first week in August and look forward to the 3 of us hopefully getting together for a visit. jm -----Original Message----- From: CJ Borsuk Sent: Jul 19, 2010 1:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Construction has begun! Thanks Jim - Norm has been an influence for years! Your pictures on West Coast Piet have also been a great help. Thanks for posting them, I need to do the same. Jack says you may be coming to town. If you do, we need to try and get together. I need Jack to come by and check on my work before I get too far. Chuck 919.524.5398 From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 11:59:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Construction has begun! Wow, totally agree! I don't know how anyone can work in such a clean shop but...maybe it can be done.... :-) I see maybe some signs of Norm Abrams' influence? (one of my personal heroes....) And isn't it an amazing feeling holding those first few ribs? I love that part. And yes, thanks for the inspiration! jm -----Original Message----- >From: greg menoche <gnwac(at)earthlink.net> >Sent: Jul 18, 2010 10:11 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Construction has begun! > > >Great looking shop and congrats on the process. Thanks for the inspiration. Greg Menoche > > >-----Original Message----- >From: CJ Borsuk >Sent: Jul 18, 2010 8:28 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Construction has begun! > > >Hey Guys, > >I hope everyone going to Brodhead and Oshkosh has a great time! I hope to make it next year. > >I have started my project and wanted to relate my experiences to those getting ready to start. I have completed six ribs and have seven, eight & 9 under construction. > >1) I ordered my spruce from Wicks and I very pleased with their service and quality of wood. I ordered cap strips at 60 inches and had them cut down a 4 by 4 sheet of plywood to 4 by 2. I ordered enough wood to build about 19 ribs (it works out to 3.167 sixty-inch cap strips per rib). Shipping cost was $27.37 plus $4.50 to crate the plywood. The math comes in about $11.15 per rib including shipping charges. That does not include T-88, which I picked up at my local Woodcraft store. How do these numbers match up? Let us know. >2) Homebuilder Hints on the EAA website have been a great help. Invisible Glove protective hand coating is great stuff. I ordered mine from Amazon free shipping on orders over $25. I also used the EAA recommendation for a bending jig, except I just cut mine out of 2x4 and it works great. I am not steaming my wood, just soaking it in a water pipe overnight and putting it in the bending jig. I am stapling my gussets. For those of you who have an AC Moore craft store close by or you can order online, they have 50% off coupons on their website. I was able to get a good stapler for under $10 with the coupon. I also plan to go back and get more staples at 50% off. > >I have attached a couple of pictures of my shop and first rib. > >Chuck Borsuk >91-524-5398 >Raleigh N -Matt Dralle, List ========= ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Broadhead schedule questions
From: "Mark M" <mmcfi(at)juno.com>
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Hey all, After a couple of years hiding in the shadows of this list it looks like this is the year I will be able to start my Piet. So I have talked the wife into going to Broadhead this year since I have a day or two off and would like to get more of an idea what might be happening during the weekend. I saw the schedule for saturday but was wondering if there are things scheduled for Friday or Sunday? I think I saw something about food but would like to confirm if there is something at the field or at least in Beautiful downtown Broadhead. Finally I would like to know where the signup sheet might be for the "Aw, poor kid ain't got an airplane built yet....Let's take him for a ride!" list might be? Hope to see you there and learn all I can. Thanks Mark Magnusson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305473#305473 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Subject: Re: Construction has begun!
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Probably a good decision, however you can't take five or six friends and a couple of cases of beer out to the lake and get good and drunk in a Pietenpol. (I have always considered fishing an excuse for getting drunk). rick On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:41 PM, CJ Borsuk wrote: > The family wanted the boat built first, but after going up in Jack > Phillip's Piet it was all over. > > > Chuck > > > ------------------------------ > I see what looks like Glen-L boat plans pinned to the wall. > > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Construction has begun! > > From: hangar10(at)cox.net > > Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:03:58 -0700 > > > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > > > > I see a copy of Fine Woodworking magazine, as well as a Bush/Cheney > campaign sign. Yep, good things should be ahead. > > > > -------- > > Mark Chouinard > > Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section > > > > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Broadhead schedule questions
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Hi Mark, There is always food at the airport, and Brodhead has a McDonalds's and Subway, that I know of, probably more other kinds of fast food. Lots goes on on Friday, with Sunday being departure day. I should be there late Wednesday afternoon until Saturday afternoon. You're welcome to go for a ride in N12939, if you're not too big of a boy. Perry Rhoads N12939 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark M" <mmcfi(at)juno.com> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Broadhead schedule questions > > Hey all, > After a couple of years hiding in the shadows of this list it looks like > this is the year I will be able to start my Piet. So I have talked the > wife into going to Broadhead this year since I have a day or two off and > would like to get more of an idea what might be happening during the > weekend. I saw the schedule for saturday but was wondering if there are > things scheduled for Friday or Sunday? I think I saw something about food > but would like to confirm if there is something at the field or at least > in Beautiful downtown Broadhead. Finally I would like to know where the > signup sheet might be for the "Aw, poor kid ain't got an airplane built > yet....Let's take him for a ride!" list might be? > Hope to see you there and learn all I can. Thanks > Mark Magnusson > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305473#305473 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Dogs at Brodhead
Date: Jul 19, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Hello all, My wife's friend wants to bring her small dog (corgy) to Brodhead on a lea sh. Is this acceptable? She would clean up after it also. Does anyone know ? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Subject: Re: Dogs at Brodhead
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Dan, I'm pretty sure that would not be a problem. As long as the pet is leashed and picked up after, that should be fine. On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:18 PM, wrote: > Hello all, > > My wife's friend wants to bring her small dog (corgy) to Brodhead on a > leash. Is this acceptable? She would clean up after it also. Does anyone > know? > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2010
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Dogs at Brodhead
I don't think anyone has brought a pet back since that time a couple years ago when they ran low on those "fish balls" at the Saturday night dinner... That last batch tasted different (sure didn't taste like chicken!) but no one complained.... Well, maybe I shouldn't say anything more... -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Mueller Sent: Jul 19, 2010 4:32 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dogs at Brodhead Dan, I'm pretty sure that would not be a problem. As long as the pet is leashed and picked up after, that should be fine. On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:18 PM, wrote: Hello all, My wife's friend wants to bring her small dog (corgy) to Brodhead on a leash. Is this acceptable? She would clean up after it also. Does anyone know? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: short fuse and A-65/Corvair
From: "Phil" <hopkinsp2(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Thanks for the thoughts, guys. One other question I have is whether the short fuselage exacerbates or moderates the tendency to ground loop. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305506#305506 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: short fuse and A-65/Corvair
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Neither. Those tendencies come from the pilot. Seriously, the distance between the mains and the tailwheel is insignifigant compared to other things such as what kind of brakes are used, whether a tailwheel or tailskid is used, etc. I've flown both and neither is particularly prone to groundlooping. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 7:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: short fuse and A-65/Corvair Thanks for the thoughts, guys. One other question I have is whether the short fuselage exacerbates or moderates the tendency to ground loop. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305506#305506 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2010
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: short fuse and A-65/Corvair
JINX! > >I've flown both and neither is particularly prone to groundlooping. > >Jack Phillips >NX899JP >Raleigh, NC -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: short fuse and A-65/Corvair
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Oh, I've already had my groundloop and it was in a long fuselage Pietenpol (mine), but it didn't groundloop because it was a long fuselage. It groundlooped because the axle broke. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 7:39 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: short fuse and A-65/Corvair JINX! > >I've flown both and neither is particularly prone to groundlooping. > >Jack Phillips >NX899JP >Raleigh, NC -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Dan wrote: >There was a 7-8 second lag before any reading came up on the gauge, >but when it did start to increase it was nice and smooth, not the >*pop* like before. Exactly what my A75 does. >Initial cold oil pressure was 45-50 and only fell to about 42 >when the temp climbed to 175F. At idle it was 15. My oil pressure is well up into the green, even at idle, up in the 40s. In flight, it's right where yours is. And my oil temp doesn't get to 180F till I've been in the air cruising or climbing for maybe 10-15 minutes or more. I think you're there. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Big Piet meets little Piet
From: "Mild Bill" <whfrank(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Still tuned in.... I have to wonder about the purpose of a HALF SCALE Pietenpol. It's much easier to fly real airplanes than RC models, and for not all that much more effort he could build a full sized version and do side-by-side formation flying with you. -------- Bill Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305544#305544 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Wx update (Chicago forecast) Brodhead
Date: Jul 20, 2010
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Wednesday Mostly cloudy HI 86=C2=B0 LO 72=C2=B0 Partly sunny, warm, moderately humid. Best chance of storms shifts downsta te. Southwest winds 5 to 14 mph possible turning southeast at the beaches in the afternoon and lowering shore readings a few degrees. Thursday Mostly cloudy HI 93=C2=B0 LO 77=C2=B0 Cloudy periods, quite humid. Clusters of downpour and gusty storms affecti ng up to 70 percent of the area. Storms may scatter turning partly sunny, breezy, hot and humid beyond mid-afternoon. Friday Partly cloudy HI 97=C2=B0 LO 72=C2=B0 Sun and cottony clouds, fairly windy, hot and humid. 2010's highest readin gs to date possible. Strong storms and gusty winds threaten afternoon and evening. Storms may affect 60 percent or more of the area. Saturday Mostly clear HI 90=C2=B0 LO 68=C2=B0 Mostly sunny and quite warm but with noticeably reduced humidities. Scatte red thunderstorms may develop in far south su ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Pima Museum (Not Piet Related)
Date: Jul 20, 2010
Very interesting article in recent addition of Barnstormers! Worth a look. http://www.barnstormers.com/eFLYER/2010/127-eFLYER-FA01-PIMA.html Pima Museum http://www.pimaair.org/index.php Jack DSM Brodhead bound-37' green and white Itasca Sunflyer ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
Oscar and others with A65 or A75s, Sorry to belabor the issue - what's your idle oil pressure after you've been flying for 30 or more minutes? That's when mine is 15psi. I know 10psi is acceptable, but Don and others have said that theirs remains at 35-40. After this, I'll put this issue to bed and enjoy flying it. :-) Again thanks to all you guys who have put some time and energy into this thought process - you truly are a great bunch of people! I am humbled and honored. Dan On 07/19/2010 09:56 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: >> Initial cold oil pressure was 45-50 and only fell to about 42 >> when the temp climbed to 175F. At idle it was 15. > > My oil pressure is well up into the green, even at idle, up in > the 40s. In flight, it's right where yours is. And my oil temp > doesn't get to 180F till I've been in the air cruising or climbing > for maybe 10-15 minutes or more. I think you're there. -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
Date: Jul 20, 2010
The oil pressure on NX18235 stays around 30 - 40 psi even when warm. However, the oil temp never goes above 150 - 160 F. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum(at)fnal.gov> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 6:12 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New cylinder - low oil pressure? > > Oscar and others with A65 or A75s, > > Sorry to belabor the issue - what's your idle oil pressure after you've > been flying for 30 or more minutes? That's when mine is 15psi. I know > 10psi is acceptable, but Don and others have said that theirs remains at > 35-40. > > After this, I'll put this issue to bed and enjoy flying it. :-) > > Again thanks to all you guys who have put some time and energy into this > thought process - you truly are a great bunch of people! I am humbled and > honored. > > Dan > > > On 07/19/2010 09:56 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > >>> Initial cold oil pressure was 45-50 and only fell to about 42 >>> when the temp climbed to 175F. At idle it was 15. >> >> My oil pressure is well up into the green, even at idle, up in >> the 40s. In flight, it's right where yours is. And my oil temp >> doesn't get to 180F till I've been in the air cruising or climbing >> for maybe 10-15 minutes or more. I think you're there. > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wx update (Chicago forecast) Brodhead
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2010
Weather.com shows a much more favorable forecast. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305563#305563 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2010
Subject: Pietenpol Weight and Balance @ Brodhead
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Just a heads up for those of us bringing Piets to Brodhead. William Wynne posted this to the Corvaircraft list last night: --------------------------------- Friends, It is 1 am and I am taking a break from packing the truck and trailer for Brodhead and Oshkosh. I am planning on leaving at 3 PM Wednesday and being at Brodhead very late on Thursday. I am bringing a very expensive set of electronic scales, and I would like to see how many Piets we can gather W&B info on. If any one heading there would like to help, especially with a spreadsheet on a laptop, find me on Friday morning. I have wanted to do this project for a while, and Get the newsletter to print the data. --------------------------------- We're bringing an iPad/laptop/MiFi and can handle the data collection. If the weather holds between TN and Brodhead we will even have a Piet to weigh. :P If you are flying your Piet to Brodhead please consider coming over and having it weighed, as the data will ultimately be contributed to the BPA newsletter. I don't know where it will be happening...we'll find out when we get there. Safe travels everyone! Ryan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Wx update (Chicago forecast) Brodhead
Ah, well, there ya go then. With all that asphalt and concrete, Chicago creates it's own weather and the on-shore flow of cooler air seals in the hot air so the city gets even hotter. Madison and Rockford are showing the same chance of precip, but temps 10-15 degrees cooler (thank goodness!) However, I'm not diggin' the 15mph crosswind (150) on Thursday. Dan On 07/20/2010 05:39 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > > Wednesday > Mostly cloudy > HI > 86 > LO > 72 > Partly sunny, warm, moderately humid. Best chance of storms shifts > downstate. Southwest winds 5 to 14 mph possible turning southeast at the > beaches in the afternoon and lowering shore readings a few degrees. > # > Thursday > Mostly cloudy > HI > 93 > LO > 77 > Cloudy periods, quite humid. Clusters of downpour and gusty storms > affecting up to 70 percent of the area. Storms may scatter turning > partly sunny, breezy, hot and humid beyond mid-afternoon. > # > Friday > Partly cloudy > HI > 97 > LO > 72 > Sun and cottony clouds, fairly windy, hot and humid. 2010's highest > readings to date possible. Strong storms and gusty winds threaten > afternoon and evening. Storms may affect 60 percent or more of the area. > # > Saturday > Mostly clear > HI > 90 > LO > 68 > Mostly sunny and quite warm but with noticeably reduced humidities. > Scattered thunderstorms may develop in far south su > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: engine run-on
Date: Jul 20, 2010
Lorin: I asked my Continental engine guru about your engine run-on situation. His reply: >Definitely a mag switch, broken/disconnected P lead, >or bad ground issue. It isn't dieseling, it's running. >Until it is absolutely positively fixed, that's a >live prop and should be treated as such. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Making a trial rib
Date: Jul 20, 2010
I'm surprised nobody mentioned the best reason to make one or two spare wing ribs when you're assembling them: if you ever ding a wingtip or part of a wing and need to replace a rib, you'll have a pattern that will match your other ribs perfectly instead of having to make something that is only "close" and not match the others. Of course, you could also keep your rib jig and have the same effect, but a rib jig doesn't have quite the same charm as a rib, hanging on your wall. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Corvair closed case for sale
Date: Jul 20, 2010
I got a good deal on an A-65 and am selling my Corvair, will have it at Brodhead and OSH. In 2001 I bought a "closed case" from Wm Wynne. He cleaned the case, magna-fluxed the crank( this was before the nitrite thing came up) bolted the case together with OT-10 cam, also the safety shaft and studs, good heads and donor parts to trade to Clarks. I also have the black prop flange and cast alum "Air Camper" valve covers. Also a 2002 Wm Wynne manual and VCR tape, and a box of catalogs and Corvair info. I have something over $1200. in this stuff and will sell it all for $800. cash. See you at Brodhead. Skip skipgadd(at)earthlink.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: Wx update (Chicago forecast) Brodhead
Date: Jul 20, 2010
FYI Madison Ch 27 Weather Brodhead weather (38 mi. south of Madison) on Wednesday : winds 19 - 10 SW temp below 80 sunny all morning On Jul 20, 2010, at 5:39 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > > Wednesday > Mostly cloudy > HI > 86=B0 > LO > 72=B0 > Partly sunny, warm, moderately humid. Best chance of storms shifts > downstate. Southwest winds 5 to 14 mph possible turning southeast at > the beaches in the afternoon and lowering shore readings a few > degrees. > Thursday > Mostly cloudy > HI > 93=B0 > LO > 77=B0 > Cloudy periods, quite humid. Clusters of downpour and gusty storms > affecting up to 70 percent of the area. Storms may scatter turning > partly sunny, breezy, hot and humid beyond mid-afternoon. > Friday > Partly cloudy > HI > 97=B0 > LO > 72=B0 > Sun and cottony clouds, fairly windy, hot and humid. 2010's highest > readings to date possible. Strong storms and gusty winds threaten > afternoon and evening. Storms may affect 60 percent or more of the > area. > Saturday > Mostly clear > HI > 90=B0 > LO > 68=B0 > Mostly sunny and quite warm but with noticeably reduced humidities. > Scattered thunderstorms may develop in far south su > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wx update (Chicago forecast) Brodhead
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2010
I don't believe these guest who are posting this hot forecast. Check Madison channel 27 forecast for yourself! http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/category.asp?C=123751 -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305585#305585 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: carb rebuilder?
Date: Jul 20, 2010
Hey, I'm looking for a good shop to rebuild my Marvel carb from the 0200. Any suggestions? Contact info would be appreciated too. Thanks, Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2010
Subject: Re: carb rebuilder?
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Russ Romey at D&G Supply in Niles, MI does good work for the Corvaircraft community overhauling Marvels and Strombergs. We were pleased with our dealings with them: http://www.dgsupply.com/ <http://www.dgsupply.com/> D&G Supply P.O. Box 430 1916 Industrial Drive Niles, Michigan 49120 800-446-8160 269-684-4440 (fax)269-684-8375 e-mail: russ(at)dgsupply.com On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> > > Hey, > > I'm looking for a good shop to rebuild my Marvel carb from the 0200. Any > suggestions? Contact info would be appreciated too. > > Thanks, > > Douwe > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: carb rebuilder?
Douwe, A.E.R.O In Stock probably has a rebuilt Marvel on the shelf - they do accept core exchanges. You could even pick it up on your way through to Brodhead at their West Chicago location. Dan On 07/20/2010 09:59 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" > > Hey, > > I'm looking for a good shop to rebuild my Marvel carb from the 0200. Any > suggestions? Contact info would be appreciated too. > > Thanks, > > Douwe > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Big Piet meets little Piet
Date: Jul 20, 2010
For anyone interested in progress photos of the 50% scale model of 41CC, I scanned some pictures and uploaded them here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/model.pdf They are lousy quality but you get the idea. And I am not the builder but I'm very interested in the finished product. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2010
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Big Piet meets little Piet
Oscar, what is the engine and its hp? -----Original Message----- >From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> >Sent: Jul 20, 2010 1:48 PM >To: Pietenpol List >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big Piet meets little Piet > > >For anyone interested in progress photos of the 50% >scale model of 41CC, I scanned some pictures and uploaded >them here: >http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/model.pdf > >They are lousy quality but you get the idea. And I am >not the builder but I'm very interested in the finished >product. > >Oscar Zuniga >Air Camper NX41CC >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >_________________________________________________________________ >The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. >http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: Wx update (Chicago forecast) Brodhead
Date: Jul 20, 2010
FYI- Brodhead is 32mi. south of Madison, 97mi. north of Chicago. Living in Madison and often flying down to Brodhead, I've found Brodhead weather to be identical to Madison's. Roman Bukolt NX20795 See y'all down there! On Jul 20, 2010, at 6:36 AM, Kringle wrote: > > Weather.com shows a much more favorable forecast. > > -------- > John > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305563#305563 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
Date: Jul 20, 2010
Mine starts out at 30psi but sometimes drops down to 25 after maybe 20 - 30min. of flight. R Bukolt NX20795 On Jul 20, 2010, at 6:12 AM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > Oscar and others with A65 or A75s, > > Sorry to belabor the issue - what's your idle oil pressure after > you've been flying for 30 or more minutes? That's when mine is > 15psi. I know 10psi is acceptable, but Don and others have said > that theirs remains at 35-40. > > After this, I'll put this issue to bed and enjoy flying it. :-) > > Again thanks to all you guys who have put some time and energy into > this thought process - you truly are a great bunch of people! I am > humbled and honored. > > Dan > > > On 07/19/2010 09:56 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > >>> Initial cold oil pressure was 45-50 and only fell to about 42 >>> when the temp climbed to 175F. At idle it was 15. >> >> My oil pressure is well up into the green, even at idle, up in >> the 40s. In flight, it's right where yours is. And my oil temp >> doesn't get to 180F till I've been in the air cruising or climbing >> for maybe 10-15 minutes or more. I think you're there. > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2010
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
Hi Roman, How's the pressure at idle as you're pulling up to the hangar after a nice long flight? Thanks, Dan On 07/20/2010 01:23 PM, Roman Bukolt wrote: > > Mine starts out at 30psi but sometimes drops down to 25 after maybe 20 - > 30min. of flight. > R Bukolt NX20795 -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Making a trial rib
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2010
> now I have a nice example rib hanging on my wall Bunch of us friends here in MN are building a Piet. When we made the 1st "template" rib, we all signed it. It's hanging somewhere. Kinda cool. :) - Pat -------- Patrick XL/650/Corvair N63PZ (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305614#305614 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2010
Subject: Re: Big Piet meets little Piet
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Wow, looks like it would be almost as much work to build as a full scale (cheaper though). Some nice work. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > For anyone interested in progress photos of the 50% > scale model of 41CC, I scanned some pictures and uploaded > them here: > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/model.pdf > > They are lousy quality but you get the idea. And I am > not the builder but I'm very interested in the finished > product. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with


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