Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-jk
July 20, 2010 - July 31, 2010
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Metal Brackets & Fittings |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Earlier this year, I polled a number of local Pietenpol builders about whether
they would have fabricated their own metal brackets & fittings, or purchased
them if they had been available. Based on the information gathered, we've gone
ahead and made a series of metal kits specifically for the Piet.
The kits are substantially complete, and I'm bringing a very large sample set with
me to Brodhead. While the samples were made to prints and spec's, they are
not made from 4130, and may not be used in aircraft. That said, the 4130 alloy
kits will be available in the August timeframe.
Because I value the great comments from this forum, I'd appreciate it if any and
all of you would stop by to spend a few minutes with me, give me your feedback,
and let me know what you think.
The completed kits are:
1. Empennage
2. Jenny Landing Gear
3. One Piece Wing kit
4. Center Wing Section of Three Piece Wing
5. LH or RH Wing Kit.
In addition to the above, we're putting together an engine mount kit, and a controls
kit. In the controls kit, there will be dual stick & rudder, along with
the bellcrank behind the pilot's seat.
With a few exceptions, all of the parts in the various kits will have all holes
pre-drilled, and will be pre-bent. In several cases - those spelled out in the
plans - the parts will be drilled or bent during assembly.
Pricing is being developed as I write this, but suffice it to say, the cost to
you isn't the principal benefit... According to the guys we polled, you might
find yourself in the air one to two years earlier.
I'm personally looking forward to seeing each of you I've met, and those who've
added so many great comments during the past year.
--------
Tom Kreiner
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305622#305622
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| Subject: | Re: Big Piet meets little Piet |
| From: | "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net> |
As a RC builder and pilot I appreciated the effort. Thanks for sharing. Keep
us updated.
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Dan Plett
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Metallurgists opinions please |
I am using aluminum struts for my wings and cabanes. I am wondering if 6061-T6
aluminum will work for the insert material in these struts, or should I use 7075
instead. Is 6061 suitable? Is 7075 overkill? Thanks.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | IGNITION SHIELDING Needed on A-65 |
| From: | "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net> |
After installing a cowl mounted antenna (RAMI AV-534) for my hand held radio I
have ignition noise in the radio.
Is the IGNITION SHIELDING BRAID as sold by Aircraft Spruce effective? http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/shieldbraid.php
Pictures attached of the offending ignition. :)
--------
Dan Plett
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
Don Swords of Don's Dream Machines did ours for the 6 Big Piets and supplied
the cores. He does seminars at Osh and SnF on small Continentals and holds
several STC's for them. His number is 770-412-8885. We used UPS for
shipping.
Barry Davis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: carb rebuilder?
-->
Hey,
I'm looking for a good shop to rebuild my Marvel carb from the 0200. Any
suggestions? Contact info would be appreciated too.
Thanks,
Douwe
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Douwe=2C I have rebuilt dozens=2C if not hundreds of these things. Do it y
ourself=2C it really is a no-brainer. It is all remove and replace=2C no a
djustments. The rebuild kits are not expensive (or they didn't use to be).
Just disassemble and clean=2C reassemble with new jets and gaskets and yo
u are there. the shaft bushings are the only parts that wear. Ifr you rep
lace the shaft bushing=2C you need a ream for that=2C but it is the most ch
allenging (not) part of the procedure.
Gene
> From: bed(at)mindspring.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: carb rebuilder?
> Date: Tue=2C 20 Jul 2010 17:45:38 -0400
>
>
> Don Swords of Don's Dream Machines did ours for the 6 Big Piets and suppl
ied
> the cores. He does seminars at Osh and SnF on small Continentals and hold
s
> several STC's for them. His number is 770-412-8885. We used UPS for
> shipping.
> Barry Davis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
> Blumberg
> Sent: Tuesday=2C July 20=2C 2010 11:00 AM
> To: pietenpolgroup
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: carb rebuilder?
>
> -->
>
> Hey=2C
>
> I'm looking for a good shop to rebuild my Marvel carb from the 0200. Any
> suggestions? Contact info would be appreciated too.
>
> Thanks=2C
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Metallurgists opinions please |
I am using 1X1 in. 6061-T6 square bars in my aluminum cabanes. I have salvaged
Cub steel lift struts, that I will shorten at the bottom to overcome likely corrosion
issues.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: Jul 20, 2010 4:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metallurgists opinions please
I am using aluminum struts for my wings and cabanes. I am wondering if 6061-T6
aluminum will work for the insert material in these struts, or should I use 7075
instead. Is 6061 suitable? Is 7075 overkill? Thanks.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Metal Brackets & Fittings |
Good for you, Tom
-----Original Message-----
>From: tkreiner <tkreiner(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Jul 20, 2010 2:29 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Metal Brackets & Fittings
>
>
>Earlier this year, I polled a number of local Pietenpol builders about whether
they would have fabricated their own metal brackets & fittings, or purchased
them if they had been available. Based on the information gathered, we've gone
ahead and made a series of metal kits specifically for the Piet.
>
>The kits are substantially complete, and I'm bringing a very large sample set
with me to Brodhead. While the samples were made to prints and spec's, they are
not made from 4130, and may not be used in aircraft. That said, the 4130 alloy
kits will be available in the August timeframe.
>
>Because I value the great comments from this forum, I'd appreciate it if any and
all of you would stop by to spend a few minutes with me, give me your feedback,
and let me know what you think.
>
>The completed kits are:
>
>1. Empennage
>2. Jenny Landing Gear
>3. One Piece Wing kit
>4. Center Wing Section of Three Piece Wing
>5. LH or RH Wing Kit.
>
>In addition to the above, we're putting together an engine mount kit, and a controls
kit. In the controls kit, there will be dual stick & rudder, along with
the bellcrank behind the pilot's seat.
>
>With a few exceptions, all of the parts in the various kits will have all holes
pre-drilled, and will be pre-bent. In several cases - those spelled out in
the plans - the parts will be drilled or bent during assembly.
>
>Pricing is being developed as I write this, but suffice it to say, the cost to
you isn't the principal benefit... According to the guys we polled, you might
find yourself in the air one to two years earlier.
>
>I'm personally looking forward to seeing each of you I've met, and those who've
added so many great comments during the past year.
>
>--------
>Tom Kreiner
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305622#305622
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dogs at Brodhead |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
My wife and I had our dog with us at Brodhead last year, and nobody said anything
at all about it, and nobody seemed to mind. In fact, he got a lot of head
scratches and attention, which he greatly appreciated. We kept him leashed and
picked up after him, and we had no problem at all with him there.
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
Looking forward to Brodhead again this year, but this time I won't have my wife
or the dog with me...
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tailfeathers almost done
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| Subject: | Re: IGNITION SHIELDING Needed on A-65 |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Try a location as faraway from the engine as possible with the antenna.
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: IGNITION SHIELDING Needed on A-65 |
| From: | "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net> |
This antenna needs a ground plane. There aren't any locations that are of a significant
distance from the engine.
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Dan Plett
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: IGNITION SHIELDING Needed on A-65 |
Yeah, but still, you might try it somewhere else and see if it works.
We moved our antenna to the cut-out in the rear of our wing center
section, and it works quite well, no shielding and no interference.
Good luck!
>
>This antenna needs a ground plane. There aren't any locations that
>are of a significant distance from the engine.
>
>--------
>Dan Plett
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: IGNITION SHIELDING Needed on A-65 |
Dan,
For what it's worth, I'd buy some shielding and give that a try. I put my
antenna in the same location on N502R and had wonderful results. Over 50
miles on a handheld while I was at 500 feet AGL. I have used the shielding
on 2 strokes with very good results.
Gene in Beautiful (but HOT) Tennessee
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From: "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 7:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: IGNITION SHIELDING Needed on A-65
>
> This antenna needs a ground plane. There aren't any locations that are
> of a significant distance from the engine.
>
> --------
> Dan Plett
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305669#305669
>
>
>
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: IGNITION SHIELDING Needed on A-65 |
Dan,
One more thing. Make sure your ground wire has good contact with your
cowling.
Gene
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From: "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 7:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: IGNITION SHIELDING Needed on A-65
>
> This antenna needs a ground plane. There aren't any locations that are
> of a significant distance from the engine.
>
> --------
> Dan Plett
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305669#305669
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Broadhead 2010 |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
along my route from NY. Looked at the prog charts and decided the stationary
front is going to remain in place during my whole trip to Brohead.
I decided that the better decision is to load up the car and remain dry, but I
am still coming. Barbara was relieved and the wrinkles of concern have subsided
from her face. I hope you guys flying in are careful and remain safe. Hope
to see all of you at Broadhead.
Jon Coxwell
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | Re: IGNITION SHIELDING Needed on A-65 |
Do you have access to the bell crank for your elevator?
I was able to fit a large sheet of light aluminum behind the rear seat
and install my antenna out the bottom. Works great.
On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote:
> >
>
> Yeah, but still, you might try it somewhere else and see if it
> works. We moved our antenna to the cut-out in the rear of our wing
> center section, and it works quite well, no shielding and no
> interference. Good luck!
>
>>
>> This antenna needs a ground plane. There aren't any locations
>> that are of a significant distance from the engine.
>>
>> --------
>> Dan Plett
>
>
> --
>
> Jeff Boatright
> "Now let's think about this..."
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: IGNITION SHIELDING Needed on A-65 |
| From: | "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net> |
Thanks for all the suggestions. Looks like I have a lot of options.
--------
Dan Plett
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| From: | "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au> |
Hi guys
what a great feeling I just had to share
Also would like to ask opinions
I am planning on no Dihedral but a bit of washout by making the rear strut 3/4
of an inch longer is this how others have done it? Would 3/4 be to much or to
little?
Thanks
Carson
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| Subject: | Re: Broadhead 2010 |
| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
Jack,
Typically, the "generators" are along the road south of the gas pump. Look forward
to meeting you.
--------
PAPA MIKE
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| From: | H RULE <harvey.rule(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bit of progress |
We dropped our ailerons by about 1/2 " on both sides for wash out,not sure
about =0Astrut size,I'll have to check that.=0A=0AAnd yes no dihedral on a
split wing either.=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: carson
=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed,
July 21, 2010 6:11:52 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Bit of progress=0A=0A--
=0AHi guys=0Awhat a great feeling I just had to share=0AAlso would like to
ask opinions =0AI am planning on no Dihedral but a bit of washout by making
the rear strut 3/4 =0Aof an inch longer is this how others have done it? W
ould 3/4 be to much or to =0Alittle?=0AThanks =0ACarson=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead
this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=
305712#305712=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAttachments: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/
/files/pietenpol_096_366.jpg=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/pietenpol
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| Subject: | WX forecast Chicago |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Wednesday
Partly cloudy
HI
88=C2=B0
LO
72=C2=B0
A few isolated thunderstorms possible Wednesday afternoon affecting only
10 to 20 percent of Chicago's far southern suburbs. Sunshine mixed with
cottony cumulus clouds, quite warm and fairly humid. Wednesday's highs av
erage 4 degrees above normal. A light, variable large-scale wind regime al
lows onshore (easterly) lake breezes to develop by afternoon. Partly cloud
y Wednesday night, warm and moderately humid.
Thursday
Thunderstorms
HI
83=C2=B0
LO
76=C2=B0
Extensive cloudiness, more humid. Storms capable of downpours and gusty wi
nds develop by afternoon affecting more than 60 percent of the area. Heavi
est downpours could produce quick 1 to 2 inches of rain.
Friday
Mostly cloudy
HI
97=C2=B0
LO
75=C2=B0
Possibly hottest day of the year and potentially the hottest of the past
four years. Partly sunny, windy, hot, humid. Gusty or severe storms after
noon and/or evening over as much as 70 percent of the area.
Saturday
Thunderstorms
HI
85=C2=B0
LO
67=C2=B0
Opens humid. Clusters of showers and possible storms affect up to 60 perce
nt of the area. Storms settle south, exiting the area late morning and aft
ernoon. Cloud breaks follow. Winds shift northwest 8 to 18 mph.
Sunday
Partly cloudy
HI
85=C2=B0
LO
66=C2=B0
Sun and cottony fair weather clouds, warm and less humid. Light northeast
breezes at 5 to 14 mph.
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | New cylinder - low oil pressure? |
Dan: my oil pressure stays up in the 35+ range once the
engine is fired up and running, hot or cold.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Fwd: CorvAircraft> New Oshkosh notes. |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
>From William Wynne:
Friends,
You can click on this link to read a slightly updated version of our
Oshkosh plans.
_http://FlyCorvair.com/hangar.html_ (http://FlyCorvair.com/hangar.html)
If you are headed to the show, come to our booth and we will take a minute
to introduce you to everyone.
If some one would forward this to the Piet list I would appreciate it.
Thank you.
William Wynne
5000-18 HWY 17 #247
Orange Park, FL 32003
_http://FlyCorvair.com/hangar.html_ (http://flycorvair.com/hangar.html)
_http://ZenVair.com_ (http://flycorvair.com/)
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Big Piet meets little Piet |
Tim: I have no idea what make or model of engine is on
the 1/2-scale Air Camper, but the builder mentioned that
it is 20HP.
Full-size Piets have flown on less ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bit of progress |
For me, lifting the wing and supporting it with a kind of scaffold THEN measuring
the struts/strut fittings was the only way I could get the wings where I wanted
them.
I found that a tiny bit of difference in the wings (I can't imagine 2 perfectly
exact hand made wings or anything else for that matter) made each fitting a tiny
bit different.
Rather than making fittings and "bolting it up", I would recommend putting the
wing where you want it THEN building the struts and strut fittings around that....
Now that I think about it, I believe the curve of the fuse and such made it impossible
for me to make one set of struts then just "add or subtract an exact amount"
from the length of the other. Maybe I'm over thinking this (or just don't
know what I'm talking about, as usual) but I don't think I was able to make
such a simple adjustment. Those dimensions ended up being a bit more "custom
fit" for mine as I recall.
Maybe after another cup of coffee I wonder where I came up with all this... :-)
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: carson <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
>Sent: Jul 21, 2010 5:11 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bit of progress
>
>
>Hi guys
>what a great feeling I just had to share
>Also would like to ask opinions
>I am planning on no Dihedral but a bit of washout by making the rear strut 3/4
of an inch longer is this how others have done it? Would 3/4 be to much or to
little?
>Thanks
>Carson
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305712#305712
>
>
>Attachments:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/pietenpol_096_366.jpg
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/pietenpol_094_311.jpg
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/pietenpol_100_185.jpg
>
>
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| From: | Mike Volckmann <mike_cfi(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IGNITION SHIELDING Needed on A-65 |
You might want to try a MiracleAntenna, http://www.miracleantenna.com/.-
It is =0Amy understanding that it is a 1/2 wave antenna and does not need a
ground =0Aplane.- Most aircraft antennas are 1/4 wave antennas and requi
re-a-ground plane =0Ato provide the-other half of the antenna.=0A-M
ike Volckmann =0A=0A=0AThe only thing we ever learn from history is that we
never learn from history. =0AGeorge Bernard Shaw =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______
_________________________=0AFrom: Dan P <dlplett(at)swko.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-
list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, July 20, 2010 5:56:30 PM=0ASubject: Pietenp
ol-List: Re: IGNITION SHIELDING Needed on A-65=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List mess
age posted by: "Dan P" =0A=0AThis antenna needs a ground
plane.- There aren't any locations that are of a =0Asignificant distance
from the engine.=0A=0A--------=0ADan Plett=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic on
line here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305669#305669
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| From: | "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bit of progress |
A couple months ago a I spotted an aircamper at Hampton NewHampshire that
was in its final rigging phase. He used a slick idea to rig his wings. A
couple of temporary telescoping pieces of electrical conduit with the
telescoping bit suitably sliced and a hose clamp allowed for a infinitely
adjustable strut previous to making up the permanent ones to the resulting
length needed.
Hope the attached pictures show the detail well enough.
Michael in Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>
> For me, lifting the wing and supporting it with a kind of scaffold THEN
measuring the struts/strut fittings was the only way I could get the wings
where I wanted them.
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| From: | "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bit of progress |
a closer picture of the adjustable temporary strut.
Michael
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| From: | "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net> |
| Subject: | A few more pix of N666TB at Hampton NH |
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Big Piet meets little Piet |
I was wondering, as it looked compact and perhaps light.
In 2006 I saw a fellow at Brodhead with a single place mini-air camper. He had
BP airfoils, wings shortened by a couple of feet on either side, and maybe the
Hstab and elevators a little shorter. The engine was a Kawasaki 450. It had
no mufflers and was really noisy, but it seemed to fly just fine. He was largely
ignored by the purists.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jul 21, 2010 7:51 AM
>To: Pietenpol List
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big Piet meets little Piet
>
>
>Tim: I have no idea what make or model of engine is on
>the 1/2-scale Air Camper, but the builder mentioned that
>it is 20HP.
>
>Full-size Piets have flown on less ;o)
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A few more pix of N666TB at Hampton NH |
Nice pics! I like that antennae location...
Hey Mike, if you're ever there again could you please get a picture of how the
retractable step is mounted inside the fuse? Assume it slides into another piece
of tubing but wonder how that tubing is fastened to the fuse. I've been wrestling
with that for a long time...
thanks for the pictures! Someone's built a nice looking GN1 there.....
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Silvius <silvius(at)gwi.net>
>Sent: Jul 21, 2010 10:09 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: A few more pix of N666TB at Hampton NH
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Big Piet meets little Piet |
No true! Not true! My dad and I spent quite a bit of time talking
with the fellow and his wife. The wife was a very nice, outgoing
person. Hubby was much quieter. I think they've been to more than one
B'head, 'cause the year I talked with them, the K450 had a muffler.
>
>I was wondering, as it looked compact and perhaps light.
>
>In 2006 I saw a fellow at Brodhead with a single place mini-air
>camper. He had BP airfoils, wings shortened by a couple of feet on
>either side, and maybe the Hstab and elevators a little shorter.
>The engine was a Kawasaki 450. It had no mufflers and was really
>noisy, but it seemed to fly just fine. He was largely ignored by
>the purists.
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A few more pix of N666TB at Hampton NH |
Jim:
DJ's old site shows several pictures on how he did it.
http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-08-04.htm
I am thinking potentialy you could even have a bunge on the inside so it is
self retracting though that may complicate dismount.
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>
> Hey Mike, if you're ever there again could you please get a picture of how
the retractable step is mounted inside the fuse? Assume it slides into
another piece of tubing but wonder how that tubing is fastened to the fuse.
I've been wrestling with that for a long time...
>
> thanks for the pictures! Someone's built a nice looking GN1 there.....
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed G." <flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | A few more pix of N666TB at Hampton NH |
Nice looking GN-1 and I like the adjustable strut length jig idea.
> From: silvius(at)gwi.net
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: A few more pix of N666TB at Hampton NH
> Date: Wed=2C 21 Jul 2010 10:09:25 -0500
>
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| Subject: | Re: Big Piet meets little Piet |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Are you sure you weren't looking at a Roger Mann RW-1 "Ragwing Ultra Piet"?
http://www.ragwing.net/fleet/RW01Ultra-Piet.html
--------
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San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A few more pix of N666TB at Hampton NH |
Thanks Michael,
I like DJ's way of doing it. I remember seeing this a long time ago but had forgotten....thanks
for the reminder!
DJ had a lot of really neat ideas.
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Silvius <silvius(at)gwi.net>
>Sent: Jul 21, 2010 12:43 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A few more pix of N666TB at Hampton NH
>
>
>Jim:
>
>DJ's old site shows several pictures on how he did it.
>http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-08-04.htm
>
>I am thinking potentialy you could even have a bunge on the inside so it is
>self retracting though that may complicate dismount.
>
>Michael
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>>
>> Hey Mike, if you're ever there again could you please get a picture of how
>the retractable step is mounted inside the fuse? Assume it slides into
>another piece of tubing but wonder how that tubing is fastened to the fuse.
>I've been wrestling with that for a long time...
>>
>> thanks for the pictures! Someone's built a nice looking GN1 there.....
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Big Piet meets little Piet |
Oscar,
Dunno. It is possible.
I do not recall the details from conversations from 4 years ago, but at the time
I believed this fellow had scaled down plans for the Piet and then built it
accordingly. I recall sitka materials and (I think) latex paint.
As I recall he also had a reduction drive of his own fabrication, and had added
marker lights driven off a turn signal blinker. My buddy Ron and I found him
an interesting fellow, and he and his wife quite pleasant. I think they might
have been from Minnesota or northern Wisconsin.
I found his plane novel and interesting, but not something I wanted to build.
For myself if I were going simple, slow, and historic like a Piet, but single
place, I would not build half-a-Piet or some such, or a Scout, but likely a FlyBaby.
Of course, that is another whole subject worthy of further discussion.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jul 21, 2010 12:55 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Big Piet meets little Piet
>
>
>Are you sure you weren't looking at a Roger Mann RW-1 "Ragwing Ultra Piet"?
>
>http://www.ragwing.net/fleet/RW01Ultra-Piet.html
>
>--------
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>Air Camper NX41CC
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Big Piet meets little Piet |
Roger Mann sells plans for the "Ultra Piet" under the Rag Wing company
name. A google search will probably yield a website and more info.
If memory serves me correctly, he uses the KAW 440 almost exclusively
in his single seat designs. The Ultra Piet is a single seat design,
and sounds similiar to what you're describing (I don't know about the
airfoils, etc).
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
On Jul 21, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Tim Willis
wrote:
> >
>
> I was wondering, as it looked compact and perhaps light.
>
> In 2006 I saw a fellow at Brodhead with a single place mini-air
> camper. He had BP airfoils, wings shortened by a couple of feet on
> either side, and maybe the Hstab and elevators a little shorter.
> The engine was a Kawasaki 450. It had no mufflers and was really
> noisy, but it seemed to fly just fine. He was largely ignored by
> the purists.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Jul 21, 2010 7:51 AM
>> To: Pietenpol List
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big Piet meets little Piet
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>> Tim: I have no idea what make or model of engine is on
>> the 1/2-scale Air Camper, but the builder mentioned that
>> it is 20HP.
>>
>> Full-size Piets have flown on less ;o)
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Air Camper NX41CC
>> San Antonio, TX
>> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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>>
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>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: IGNITION SHIELDING Needed on A-65 |
N8031 had an antenna mounted to the wing faring. I took it off, but the
previous owner had no problem with it there and the ignition cables are
unshielded.
Dan
On 07/20/2010 07:56 PM, Dan P wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dan P"
>
> This antenna needs a ground plane. There aren't any locations that are of a
significant distance from the engine.
>
> --------
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yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: IGNITION SHIELDING Needed on A-65 |
Wing faring? Where is that located?
>
>N8031 had an antenna mounted to the wing faring. I took it off, but
>the previous owner had no problem with it there and the ignition
>cables are unshielded.
>
>Dan
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: A few more pix of N666TB at Hampton NH |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
With all the wind resistance of a Piet I figured why retract a step? So I
did a fixed one.
rick
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Michael Silvius wrote:
>
> Jim:
>
> DJ's old site shows several pictures on how he did it.
> http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-08-04.htm
>
> I am thinking potentialy you could even have a bunge on the inside so it is
> self retracting though that may complicate dismount.
>
> Michael
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
> >
> > Hey Mike, if you're ever there again could you please get a picture of
> how
> the retractable step is mounted inside the fuse? Assume it slides into
> another piece of tubing but wonder how that tubing is fastened to the fuse.
> I've been wrestling with that for a long time...
> >
> > thanks for the pictures! Someone's built a nice looking GN1 there.....
> >
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
Douwe, there is really nutt'n to it, save the big money.- Like others on
here have said it's just a bunch of remove and replace stuff.- Buy the ma
rvell scebler manual with the updates and the overhaul kit and fix her up.
- Just be sure to get it good and cleaned out before assembly, dirt and g
rime finds its way into those tiny jets and passages.- Have heard small g
uitar string is good for roto-rootering them out, but haven't tried it myse
lf.- Just dont grind or remove the material while cleaning.
-
Shad
-
P.S.- since I am not going to Brodhead I will go out and work on my airpl
ane.=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too... |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hi All:
Can anyone recall where the Riblett 613.5 was discussed as potentially
a better airfoil for the Piet than the 612? I think I remember seeing
this somewhere but I can't seem to find it in the archives. I know the
613.5 is a thicker airfoil, and I am looking for a higher lift from my
wing verses the original FC-10 due to the air density here in Central
California. So far I have one 613.5 and one 612 built.
I have built a computer generated and CNC cut Peg Jig's for both
airfoils, and I finished recently a really accurate stick cutting jig
for the individual rib sticks. But, I paused the project, and am now
going to pick back up again soon.
Thanks for the memory help!
--
Mark Roberts
California Laser Etch
www.california-laser.com
888-882-5015
888-882-5016 fax
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| From: | Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | Re: WX forecast Chicago |
And here's the weather from only 32 mi. north of Brodhead.
Tomorrow Thurs.Temps ranging from 70 @ 7AM to77 @ noon
Winds south @ 12 - 15 mph some possibl light rain
Afternoon temps ranging from 80 - 89 by 4PM
winds shifting to 19 SW around 3 Pm continued light rain with brief
possible downpour.
Friday- Temps ranging from 82 @ 7AM to87 @ noon
Winds in the morning 13 - 15 out of the west shifting to the SW around
10AM
Possible light rain in the afternoon temps 86 wind w @ 13
On Jul 21, 2010, at 6:06 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Wednesday
> Partly cloudy
> HI
> 88=B0
> LO
> 72=B0
> A few isolated thunderstorms possible Wednesday afternoon affecting
> only 10 to 20 percent of Chicago's far southern suburbs. Sunshine
> mixed with cottony cumulus clouds, quite warm and fairly humid.
> Wednesday's highs average 4 degrees above normal. A light, variable
> large-scale wind regime allows onshore (easterly) lake breezes to
> develop by afternoon. Partly cloudy Wednesday night, warm and
> moderately humid.
> Thursday
> Thunderstorms
> HI
> 83=B0
> LO
> 76=B0
> Extensive cloudiness, more humid. Storms capable of downpours and
> gusty winds develop by afternoon affecting more than 60 percent of
> the area. Heaviest downpours could produce quick 1 to 2 inches of
> rain.
> Friday
> Mostly cloudy
> HI
> 97=B0
> LO
> 75=B0
> Possibly hottest day of the year and potentially the hottest of the
> past four years. Partly sunny, windy, hot, humid. Gusty or severe
> storms afternoon and/or evening over as much as 70 percent of the
> area.
> Saturday
> Thunderstorms
> HI
> 85=B0
> LO
> 67=B0
> Opens humid. Clusters of showers and possible storms affect up to 60
> percent of the area. Storms settle south, exiting the area late
> morning and afternoon. Cloud breaks follow. Winds shift northwest 8
> to 18 mph.
> Sunday
> Partly cloudy
> HI
> 85=B0
> LO
> 66=B0
> Sun and cottony fair weather clouds, warm and less humid. Light
> northeast breezes at 5 to 14 mph.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Metal Brackets & Fittings |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Hi Tom...keep us informed. I am interested in what you are doing.
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | generator campers |
FYI everyone with campers on wheels, and generators...
Last year someone drove their small rv across to the trees and was asked to
move it back along the road to the south as that area is for tent camping
only.
See ya'll there!!
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Wx forecast- Chicago |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Thursday
Thunderstorms
HI
87=C2=B0
LO
77=C2=B0
The Chicago area is at risk for severe thunderstorms this afternoon and ev
ening. A weather watch may become necessary over sections of the area Exte
nsive cloudiness, warm, humid and turning breezy this afternoon. Southeast
winds become southerly increasing 11 to 23 mph and gusty. Showers and thu
nderstorms develop later this morning then sweep the area in clusters this
afternoon and evening. 40 to 60 percent of the Chicago area may be expose
d to rainfall and some storms may grow severe this afternoon and evening
with downpours and strong winds possible in the heavier storms. Storms ex
it early Thursday night then scattered clouds, windy, very warm and muggy.
Friday
Mostly cloudy
HI
96=C2=B0
LO
75=C2=B0
Potentially 2010's hottest. Peak heat indexes surge above 100-degrees. A
temp of 95 or higher at O'Hare would be this area's hottest in 4 years.
Partly sunny, windy, very humid. Isolated strong t-storms possible.
Saturday
Mostly cloudy
HI
90=C2=B0
LO
69=C2=B0
A cloud/sun mix, quite warm, humid. Rain-free periods, but clusters of thu
nderstorms may affect up to 60 percent of the metro area. Downpours and gu
sts possible in a few of the heavier storms. Southwest winds shift westerl
y then in the afternoon=C3=A2=C2=C2=94then north 6 to 17 mph by evening
.
Sunday
Partly cloudy
HI
82=C2=B0
LO
66=C2=B0
A mix of sun and cottony clouds, cooler and less humid. Northeast winds 6
to 14 mph may limit highs to the 70s at the beaches while the warmest inl
and locations reach the mid 80s.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Carson:
Most, if not all Piets I've ever seen have threaded
fork ends at the lower end of the wing struts to
allow adjusting the wing rigging prior to tightening
the strut X-brace wires. The fork ends on 41CC have
plenty of threads on the ends, probably enough to allow
3/4" differential between fore and aft struts, but
I do not have any washout rigged into the wings.
As someone else noted, Corky rigged 41CC such that the
aileron trailing edges droop maybe 1/2"-5/8" below the
trailing edge of the wing, providing the same effect
as washout (more lift at the wingtips than at the
roots). People always tell me my airplane is out of
rig; I tell them that's the way Corky said to do it.
Then I fly merrily into the sky ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too... |
Mark;
Why not ask Harry Riblett about the 612 vs. 613.5?
I believe he's still around and talks freely with
homebuilders.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I've just been corrected:
> Oscar,
> What you've described is Wash-IN. Wash-OUT gives
> a higher angle of incidence at the root than at the tip
> in order start a stall at the root first. You want the
> tips to keep flying after a stall has initiated,
> keeping aileron control as long as possible.
> The people who tell you 41CC is out of rig are correct.
> Mike Hardaway
Oscar Zuniga
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| From: | "baiquemaique" <baiquemaique(at)gmail.com> |
Oscar,
What you've described is Wash-IN. Wash-OUT gives a higher angle of
incidence at the root than at the tip in order start a stall at the root
first. You want the tips to keep flying after a stall has initiated,
keeping aileron control as long as possible.
The people who tell you 41CC is out of rig are correct.
Mike Hardaway
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bit of progress
-->
Carson:
Most, if not all Piets I've ever seen have threaded fork ends at the lower
end of the wing struts to allow adjusting the wing rigging prior to
tightening the strut X-brace wires. The fork ends on 41CC have plenty of
threads on the ends, probably enough to allow 3/4" differential between fore
and aft struts, but I do not have any washout rigged into the wings.
As someone else noted, Corky rigged 41CC such that the aileron trailing
edges droop maybe 1/2"-5/8" below the trailing edge of the wing, providing
the same effect as washout (more lift at the wingtips than at the roots).
People always tell me my airplane is out of rig; I tell them that's the way
Corky said to do it.
Then I fly merrily into the sky ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Bit of progress |
| From: | "gtche98" <garywilson213(at)yahoo.com> |
So I guess I am slightly confused about why one would droop the ailerons instead
of washout. My understanding (solely from my reading of Stick and Rudder) was
that the purpose of washout was not to create lift per se, but rather to decrease
the angle of attack of the tips of the wings, preventing the tips from
stalling first.
By that logic, wouldn't drooping the ailerons increase the angle of attack on the
at the tips, making the problem worse?
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| Subject: | Brodhead fly-in still on? weather is bad. |
| From: | "motorbikemikexb9" <motorbikemikexb9(at)comcast.net> |
Dose anyone know if the brodhead fly-in is still happening. I'm planing to drive
up Saturday but the weather looks stormy. If it is storming is it totally
called off? I was hoping to make it up there to photograph and look at the uncovered
Piet that was to be on display. It would me help fill in a couple of
the blanks on the old drawings. I'd love to get some input from other builders
as well.
Thanks, Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead fly-in still on? weather is bad. |
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
Just talked to Ryan - about 8 people were there at 8am and 4 piets were on the
field. I'll be heading up during the lull around noon.
Dan
--
yocum(at)gmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead fly-in still on? weather is bad. |
It's on! A little wet right now, but it'll get better.
Perry Rhoads
N12939
sent from Brodhead
----- Original Message -----
From: "motorbikemikexb9" <motorbikemikexb9(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead fly-in still on? weather is bad.
>
>
> Dose anyone know if the brodhead fly-in is still happening. I'm planing
> to drive up Saturday but the weather looks stormy. If it is storming is
> it totally called off? I was hoping to make it up there to photograph and
> look at the uncovered Piet that was to be on display. It would me help
> fill in a couple of the blanks on the old drawings. I'd love to get some
> input from other builders as well.
>
> Thanks, Mike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305930#305930
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Bit of progress |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
I beleive Mike Cuy did the same thing with his ailerons.
rick
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Carson:
>
> Most, if not all Piets I've ever seen have threaded
> fork ends at the lower end of the wing struts to
> allow adjusting the wing rigging prior to tightening
> the strut X-brace wires. The fork ends on 41CC have
> plenty of threads on the ends, probably enough to allow
> 3/4" differential between fore and aft struts, but
> I do not have any washout rigged into the wings.
>
> As someone else noted, Corky rigged 41CC such that the
> aileron trailing edges droop maybe 1/2"-5/8" below the
> trailing edge of the wing, providing the same effect
> as washout (more lift at the wingtips than at the
> roots). People always tell me my airplane is out of
> rig; I tell them that's the way Corky said to do it.
>
> Then I fly merrily into the sky ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Bit of progress |
| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
My pietenpol has a little droop at the trailing edge of the aileron too.(3
/8")
But only while at rest on the ground, in the air there is none.
Rigging of the fixed part of the wing is "0" wash-out.
Hans
NX 15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:46 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bit of progress
arson:
ost, if not all Piets I've ever seen have threaded
ork ends at the lower end of the wing struts to
llow adjusting the wing rigging prior to tightening
he strut X-brace wires. The fork ends on 41CC have
lenty of threads on the ends, probably enough to allow
/4" differential between fore and aft struts, but
do not have any washout rigged into the wings.
s someone else noted, Corky rigged 41CC such that the
ileron trailing edges droop maybe 1/2"-5/8" below the
railing edge of the wing, providing the same effect
s washout (more lift at the wingtips than at the
oots). People always tell me my airplane is out of
ig; I tell them that's the way Corky said to do it.
hen I fly merrily into the sky ;o)
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ir Camper NX41CC
an Antonio, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Bit of progress |
| From: | "BYD" <bannerbill(at)att.net> |
Many times Ive heard builders mention building a flat wing or one with no dihedral.
I hope Vi Kapler will jump in if Im wrong, but I believe Bernard would have
two people lift up on the wing tips when he measured for the wing struts thereby
introducing a slight dihedral on his single piece flat wing. Having flown
a Piet with anhedral (wingtips lower), I can warn you that you do not want
to experience it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305976#305976
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too... |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Good idea Oscar. I did in fact try to call him on the issue a couple
of months ago, and left a message, but I wasn't sure if he was indeed
still around, so I chickened out on calling again. I didn't think to
call back this time, so i think I will give another shout out to him
on this issue.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Mark
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:54 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Mark;
>
> Why not ask Harry Riblett about the 612 vs. 613.5?
> I believe he's still around and talks freely with
> homebuilders.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too... |
Mark,
Riblett is certainly the authority on his own airfoils and any response you get
will no doubt be illuminating. Please share.
This board likely knows more about Pietenpols and their flying characteristics
than Harry Riblett, though, and has at least some anecdotal comparisons specific
to Piets. We may know some stories Riblett does not know, and he some of which
we are uninformed, in mating Ribletts to Piets.
What's more, I think YOUR choice to a degree, though, relates to what engine and
what applications you have or intend. Do you have a 60+hp A-65 or a 90+hp Corvair?
Do you want to get off the ground and over 50' AGL in a hurry, or want
to cruise faster? How is this preference reflected... do you have a climb prop
or a cruise prop? Is your challenging app to fly 1000 miles to Brodhead with
full fuel but a light load, as quickly as a Piet can, or to take a heavy friend
flying on a hot day?
Both Riblett airfoils are reputed to give more lift, less drag than the BP airfoil.
No one has put them up to a side-by-side test.*** (see below)
None of them-- Riblett or BP-- unlike the NACA 2412, for instance, have been in
wind tunnels.
Likely comparisons:
--The 613.5 should have both more lift and drag than the 612.
--The 612 should have more lift and less drag than BP's FC10.
--The 612 should be faster than the 613.5 and BP's FC10.
--All else equal, you should attain 50' AGL faster with the 613.5
--You might have the gentlest stall with the 613.5... this remains to be seen.
Some may rightly disagree with each of these statements.
You can change a lot of the flight dynamics witha ANY airfoil by building the Piet
as light as possible, powering it up a bit, and/or by adding some wingspan.
With a thicker section and chord on a 613.5, little changes in the angle of incidence
(from the 2 degrees of the FC10) might tune the Riblett quite differently
to achieve a different optimum. Who has worked on this? Kept a lab book?
Both considered and accommodated differential pitching moments?
***Note: Lowell Frank has had different wings, featuring BP's FC 10 and NACA 2412,
on the same plane with the same engine. Then he changed to a more powerful
engine. He has the closest to comaparative data. Some of the Riblett 612 and
613.5s are just coming on line now. (If memory serves, check with Roman Bukolt,
for instance.)
This is just grist for the mill... there are many other considerations. Adherence
to the original design, with its well known envelope, are two. But it is
your plane and your applications.
In my case, starting afresh, as a fat boy in a warm climate, with an A-65, I would
go with the Riblett 613.5 and add wingspan, as well. And go on a diet, too.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Jul 22, 2010 3:11 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too...
>
>
>Good idea Oscar. I did in fact try to call him on the issue a couple
>of months ago, and left a message, but I wasn't sure if he was indeed
>still around, so I chickened out on calling again. I didn't think to
>call back this time, so i think I will give another shout out to him
>on this issue.
>
>Thanks for the suggestion.
>
>Mark
>
>On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:54 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>>
>>
>> Mark;
>>
>> Why not ask Harry Riblett about the 612 vs. 613.5?
>> I believe he's still around and talks freely with
>> homebuilders.
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Air Camper NX41CC
>> San Antonio, TX
>> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> >--
>Mark Roberts
>California Laser Etch
>www.california-laser.com
>888-882-5015
>888-882-5016 fax
>
>
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bit of progress |
If you plan on putting dihedral in your wings (3 piece) You will probably w
ant to cut the outboard wing pannel spar butt ends with a little bit of an
angle (not a square 90 deg angle) to allow the top side of the spars to hav
e clearance , and not hit the centersection spar butts after puting in your
dihedral.
-
Here's to you in Brodhead, wish I could have made it,
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead fly-in still on? weather is bad. |
Weather's better this afternoon. Windy, but partly sunny....and hot, of course.
6 Piets on the ground, a Sky Scout in the air, and two more about to arrive.
Good times!
Ryan
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 22, 2010, at 8:44 AM, "motorbikemikexb9"
wrote:
>
> Dose anyone know if the brodhead fly-in is still happening. I'm planing to drive
up Saturday but the weather looks stormy. If it is storming is it totally
called off? I was hoping to make it up there to photograph and look at the
uncovered Piet that was to be on display. It would me help fill in a couple of
the blanks on the old drawings. I'd love to get some input from other builders
as well.
>
> Thanks, Mike
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305930#305930
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead fly-in still on? weather is bad. |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Just saw Jack and Randy fly over the house- on their way. They should be
there very soon. Storms on radar just north of you. Tornado warnings for
southern Wis. Batten down, and I'll see you tomorrow morning!!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Jul 22, 2010 5:03 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead fly-in still on? weather is bad.
Weather's better this afternoon. Windy, but partly sunny....and hot, of co
urse.
Piets on the ground, a Sky Scout in the air, and two more about to arrive
.
ood times!
Ryan
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 22, 2010, at 8:44 AM, "motorbikemikexb9" <motorbikemikexb9@comcast.
net>
rote:
b9(at)comcast.net>
Dose anyone know if the brodhead fly-in is still happening. I'm planing
to
rive up Saturday but the weather looks stormy. If it is storming is it to
tally
alled off? I was hoping to make it up there to photograph and look at the
ncovered Piet that was to be on display. It would me help fill in a coupl
e of
he blanks on the old drawings. I'd love to get some input from other buil
ders
s well.
Thanks, Mike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305930#305930
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too... |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
HA! Tim, that was the best said response to date of any of my post
replies.... Especially the Lose Weight part (all the years when I was
as skinny as a noodle and made fun of fat folk is coming back to bit
me in the belly... My legs are still so skinny I have considered suing
them for non-support...)
All kidding aside, I really do appreciate your reply, as it was a good
summary of the design thoughts, and was presented very nicely--- (Not
"Why the H#ll do you want to do that? Just build it the way he
designed it!!")
To update all:
I did just hang up from a delightful 20 minute call to Harry Riblett.
We discussed the airfoil and the plane design, and while I appreciate
that he has not built and flown a Piet, he does understand the basic
design and the flight dynamics of it. Before i pass along his thoughts
(as of today 7/22/10), I want to explain (again) why I would even mess
around with the design in the first place.
I'm 6'4" and 250lbs. Even with a dramatic weight loss, I'd still like
my wife to go along if the temp in Central California goes above 90
degrees (about 6 months outta the year...).
So, since my wife actually LIKES the Piet design (a first for the ones
I have shown her), I'd like the extra lift I will need to fly
comfortably.
I called Harry to ask (as Oscar suggested.... Thanks Oscar!) which
would be better for me to use: the GA30-612 or the GA30-613.5. (He
kept correcting me when I simply said 'the 612 or the 613.5... "It's
the GA30-613.5..."). He said the GA30-613.5 was the one I would want
to go with due to the higher lifting co-efficient of the airfoil.
He said about 1 degree of incidence would be good, as I mentioned that
Lowell had to hold 30-40 lbs of forward stick at cruise.
I also know that a couple of extra feet on the wing tips would help,
and that I'll need to account for that in tail area as well.
But, as to the 2 airfoils that have been batted about in the forum, he
seemed to think the GA30-613.5 would be a better choice if one was
considering an alternative to the original FC-10.
Now, I know there are lots of opinions about this, so I am not trying
to start another war, but just passing along the discussion I had with
him about the differences with the 2 airfoils for an open cockpit,
draggy high wing design.
It's a 19 year update on the original letter that he wrote and has
been posted on this forum in the past. :o0
To those going to Brodhead, I envy ya'll.
Mark
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Tim Willis wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Riblett is certainly the authority on his own airfoils and any response you get
will no doubt be illuminating. Please share.
>
> This board likely knows more about Pietenpols and their flying characteristics
than Harry Riblett, though, and has at least some anecdotal comparisons specific
to Piets. We may know some stories Riblett does not know, and he some of
which we are uninformed, in mating Ribletts to Piets.
>
> What's more, I think YOUR choice to a degree, though, relates to what engine
and what applications you have or intend. Do you have a 60+hp A-65 or a 90+hp
Corvair? Do you want to get off the ground and over 50' AGL in a hurry, or want
to cruise faster? How is this preference reflected... do you have a climb prop
or a cruise prop? Is your challenging app to fly 1000 miles to Brodhead with
full fuel but a light load, as quickly as a Piet can, or to take a heavy friend
flying on a hot day?
>
> Both Riblett airfoils are reputed to give more lift, less drag than the BP airfoil.
No one has put them up to a side-by-side test.*** (see below)
> None of them-- Riblett or BP-- unlike the NACA 2412, for instance, have been
in wind tunnels.
>
> Likely comparisons:
>
> --The 613.5 should have both more lift and drag than the 612.
> --The 612 should have more lift and less drag than BP's FC10.
> --The 612 should be faster than the 613.5 and BP's FC10.
> --All else equal, you should attain 50' AGL faster with the 613.5
> --You might have the gentlest stall with the 613.5... this remains to be seen.
>
> Some may rightly disagree with each of these statements.
>
> You can change a lot of the flight dynamics witha ANY airfoil by building the
Piet as light as possible, powering it up a bit, and/or by adding some wingspan.
>
> With a thicker section and chord on a 613.5, little changes in the angle of incidence
(from the 2 degrees of the FC10) might tune the Riblett quite differently
to achieve a different optimum. Who has worked on this? Kept a lab book?
Both considered and accommodated differential pitching moments?
>
> ***Note: Lowell Frank has had different wings, featuring BP's FC 10 and NACA
2412, on the same plane with the same engine. Then he changed to a more powerful
engine. He has the closest to comaparative data. Some of the Riblett 612 and
613.5s are just coming on line now. (If memory serves, check with Roman Bukolt,
for instance.)
>
> This is just grist for the mill... there are many other considerations. Adherence
to the original design, with its well known envelope, are two. But it is
your plane and your applications.
>
> In my case, starting afresh, as a fat boy in a warm climate, with an A-65, I
would go with the Riblett 613.5 and add wingspan, as well. And go on a diet, too.
>
> Tim in central TX
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
>>Sent: Jul 22, 2010 3:11 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too...
>>
>>
>>Good idea Oscar. I did in fact try to call him on the issue a couple
>>of months ago, and left a message, but I wasn't sure if he was indeed
>>still around, so I chickened out on calling again. I didn't think to
>>call back this time, so i think I will give another shout out to him
>>on this issue.
>>
>>Thanks for the suggestion.
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:54 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark;
>>>
>>> Why not ask Harry Riblett about the 612 vs. 613.5?
>>> I believe he's still around and talks freely with
>>> homebuilders.
>>>
>>> Oscar Zuniga
>>> Air Camper NX41CC
>>> San Antonio, TX
>>> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> >--
>>Mark Roberts
>>California Laser Etch
>>www.california-laser.com
>>888-882-5015
>>888-882-5016 fax
>>
>>
>
>
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California Laser Etch
www.california-laser.com
888-882-5015
888-882-5016 fax
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too... |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Mark,
Glad to see you got that figured out! Any day now you will be posting pics of finished
ribs!
Gary Boothe
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:52:32
or 613.5, and jigs too...
HA! Tim, that was the best said response to date of any of my post
replies.... Especially the Lose Weight part (all the years when I was
as skinny as a noodle and made fun of fat folk is coming back to bit
me in the belly... My legs are still so skinny I have considered suing
them for non-support...)
All kidding aside, I really do appreciate your reply, as it was a good
summary of the design thoughts, and was presented very nicely--- (Not
"Why the H#ll do you want to do that? Just build it the way he
designed it!!")
To update all:
I did just hang up from a delightful 20 minute call to Harry Riblett.
We discussed the airfoil and the plane design, and while I appreciate
that he has not built and flown a Piet, he does understand the basic
design and the flight dynamics of it. Before i pass along his thoughts
(as of today 7/22/10), I want to explain (again) why I would even mess
around with the design in the first place.
I'm 6'4" and 250lbs. Even with a dramatic weight loss, I'd still like
my wife to go along if the temp in Central California goes above 90
degrees (about 6 months outta the year...).
So, since my wife actually LIKES the Piet design (a first for the ones
I have shown her), I'd like the extra lift I will need to fly
comfortably.
I called Harry to ask (as Oscar suggested.... Thanks Oscar!) which
would be better for me to use: the GA30-612 or the GA30-613.5. (He
kept correcting me when I simply said 'the 612 or the 613.5... "It's
the GA30-613.5..."). He said the GA30-613.5 was the one I would want
to go with due to the higher lifting co-efficient of the airfoil.
He said about 1 degree of incidence would be good, as I mentioned that
Lowell had to hold 30-40 lbs of forward stick at cruise.
I also know that a couple of extra feet on the wing tips would help,
and that I'll need to account for that in tail area as well.
But, as to the 2 airfoils that have been batted about in the forum, he
seemed to think the GA30-613.5 would be a better choice if one was
considering an alternative to the original FC-10.
Now, I know there are lots of opinions about this, so I am not trying
to start another war, but just passing along the discussion I had with
him about the differences with the 2 airfoils for an open cockpit,
draggy high wing design.
It's a 19 year update on the original letter that he wrote and has
been posted on this forum in the past. :o0
To those going to Brodhead, I envy ya'll.
Mark
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Tim Willis wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Riblett is certainly the authority on his own airfoils and any response you get
will no doubt be illuminating. Please share.
>
> This board likely knows more about Pietenpols and their flying characteristics
than Harry Riblett, though, and has at least some anecdotal comparisons specific
to Piets. We may know some stories Riblett does not know, and he some of
which we are uninformed, in mating Ribletts to Piets.
>
> What's more, I think YOUR choice to a degree, though, relates to what engine
and what applications you have or intend. Do you have a 60+hp A-65 or a 90+hp
Corvair? Do you want to get off the ground and over 50' AGL in a hurry, or want
to cruise faster? How is this preference reflected... do you have a climb prop
or a cruise prop? Is your challenging app to fly 1000 miles to Brodhead with
full fuel but a light load, as quickly as a Piet can, or to take a heavy friend
flying on a hot day?
>
> Both Riblett airfoils are reputed to give more lift, less drag than the BP airfoil.
No one has put them up to a side-by-side test.*** (see below)
> None of them-- Riblett or BP-- unlike the NACA 2412, for instance, have been
in wind tunnels.
>
> Likely comparisons:
>
> --The 613.5 should have both more lift and drag than the 612.
> --The 612 should have more lift and less drag than BP's FC10.
> --The 612 should be faster than the 613.5 and BP's FC10.
> --All else equal, you should attain 50' AGL faster with the 613.5
> --You might have the gentlest stall with the 613.5... this remains to be seen.
>
> Some may rightly disagree with each of these statements.
>
> You can change a lot of the flight dynamics witha ANY airfoil by building the
Piet as light as possible, powering it up a bit, and/or by adding some wingspan.
>
> With a thicker section and chord on a 613.5, little changes in the angle of incidence
(from the 2 degrees of the FC10) might tune the Riblett quite differently
to achieve a different optimum. Who has worked on this? Kept a lab book?
Both considered and accommodated differential pitching moments?
>
> ***Note: Lowell Frank has had different wings, featuring BP's FC 10 and NACA
2412, on the same plane with the same engine. Then he changed to a more powerful
engine. He has the closest to comaparative data. Some of the Riblett 612 and
613.5s are just coming on line now. (If memory serves, check with Roman Bukolt,
for instance.)
>
> This is just grist for the mill... there are many other considerations. Adherence
to the original design, with its well known envelope, are two. But it is
your plane and your applications.
>
> In my case, starting afresh, as a fat boy in a warm climate, with an A-65, I
would go with the Riblett 613.5 and add wingspan, as well. And go on a diet, too.
>
> Tim in central TX
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
>>Sent: Jul 22, 2010 3:11 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too...
>>
>>
>>Good idea Oscar. I did in fact try to call him on the issue a couple
>>of months ago, and left a message, but I wasn't sure if he was indeed
>>still around, so I chickened out on calling again. I didn't think to
>>call back this time, so i think I will give another shout out to him
>>on this issue.
>>
>>Thanks for the suggestion.
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:54 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark;
>>>
>>> Why not ask Harry Riblett about the 612 vs. 613.5?
>>> I believe he's still around and talks freely with
>>> homebuilders.
>>>
>>> Oscar Zuniga
>>> Air Camper NX41CC
>>> San Antonio, TX
>>> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> >--
>>Mark Roberts
>>California Laser Etch
>>www.california-laser.com
>>888-882-5015
>>888-882-5016 fax
>>
>>
>
>
--
Mark Roberts
California Laser Etch
www.california-laser.com
888-882-5015
888-882-5016 fax
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too... |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Sometimes a guy has to slap his head 40 or 50 times before he finally
straightens up... :o)
You've been a good inspiration for me Gary! I appreciate that.
Now, where's my epoxy... (Yer sure we can fly one of these things made
outta Poplar?)
Mark
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:10 PM, wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Glad to see you got that figured out! Any day now you will be posting pics of
finished ribs!
>
> Gary Boothe
> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:52:32
> To:
> Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett 612
or 613.5, and jigs too...
>
>
> HA! Tim, that was the best said response to date of any of my post
> replies.... Especially the Lose Weight part (all the years when I was
> as skinny as a noodle and made fun of fat folk is coming back to bit
> me in the belly... My legs are still so skinny I have considered suing
> them for non-support...)
>
> All kidding aside, I really do appreciate your reply, as it was a good
> summary of the design thoughts, and was presented very nicely--- (Not
> "Why the H#ll do you want to do that? Just build it the way he
> designed it!!")
>
> To update all:
>
> I did just hang up from a delightful 20 minute call to Harry Riblett.
> We discussed the airfoil and the plane design, and while I appreciate
> that he has not built and flown a Piet, he does understand the basic
> design and the flight dynamics of it. Before i pass along his thoughts
> (as of today 7/22/10), I want to explain (again) why I would even mess
> around with the design in the first place.
>
> I'm 6'4" and 250lbs. Even with a dramatic weight loss, I'd still like
> my wife to go along if the temp in Central California goes above 90
> degrees (about 6 months outta the year...).
>
> So, since my wife actually LIKES the Piet design (a first for the ones
> I have shown her), I'd like the extra lift I will need to fly
> comfortably.
>
> I called Harry to ask (as Oscar suggested.... Thanks Oscar!) which
> would be better for me to use: the GA30-612 or the GA30-613.5. (He
> kept correcting me when I simply said 'the 612 or the 613.5... "It's
> the GA30-613.5..."). He said the GA30-613.5 was the one I would want
> to go with due to the higher lifting co-efficient of the airfoil.
>
> He said about 1 degree of incidence would be good, as I mentioned that
> Lowell had to hold 30-40 lbs of forward stick at cruise.
>
> I also know that a couple of extra feet on the wing tips would help,
> and that I'll need to account for that in tail area as well.
>
> But, as to the 2 airfoils that have been batted about in the forum, he
> seemed to think the GA30-613.5 would be a better choice if one was
> considering an alternative to the original FC-10.
>
> Now, I know there are lots of opinions about this, so I am not trying
> to start another war, but just passing along the discussion I had with
> him about the differences with the 2 airfoils for an open cockpit,
> draggy high wing design.
>
> It's a 19 year update on the original letter that he wrote and has
> been posted on this forum in the past. :o0
>
>
> To those going to Brodhead, I envy ya'll.
>
> Mark
>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Tim Willis wrote:
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Riblett is certainly the authority on his own airfoils and any response you
get will no doubt be illuminating. Please share.
>>
>> This board likely knows more about Pietenpols and their flying characteristics
than Harry Riblett, though, and has at least some anecdotal comparisons specific
to Piets. We may know some stories Riblett does not know, and he some of
which we are uninformed, in mating Ribletts to Piets.
>>
>> What's more, I think YOUR choice to a degree, though, relates to what engine
and what applications you have or intend. Do you have a 60+hp A-65 or a 90+hp
Corvair? Do you want to get off the ground and over 50' AGL in a hurry, or want
to cruise faster? How is this preference reflected... do you have a climb prop
or a cruise prop? Is your challenging app to fly 1000 miles to Brodhead with
full fuel but a light load, as quickly as a Piet can, or to take a heavy friend
flying on a hot day?
>>
>> Both Riblett airfoils are reputed to give more lift, less drag than the BP airfoil.
No one has put them up to a side-by-side test.*** (see below)
>> None of them-- Riblett or BP-- unlike the NACA 2412, for instance, have been
in wind tunnels.
>>
>> Likely comparisons:
>>
>> --The 613.5 should have both more lift and drag than the 612.
>> --The 612 should have more lift and less drag than BP's FC10.
>> --The 612 should be faster than the 613.5 and BP's FC10.
>> --All else equal, you should attain 50' AGL faster with the 613.5
>> --You might have the gentlest stall with the 613.5... this remains to be seen.
>>
>> Some may rightly disagree with each of these statements.
>>
>> You can change a lot of the flight dynamics witha ANY airfoil by building the
Piet as light as possible, powering it up a bit, and/or by adding some wingspan.
>>
>> With a thicker section and chord on a 613.5, little changes in the angle of
incidence (from the 2 degrees of the FC10) might tune the Riblett quite differently
to achieve a different optimum. Who has worked on this? Kept a lab book?
Both considered and accommodated differential pitching moments?
>>
>> ***Note: Lowell Frank has had different wings, featuring BP's FC 10 and NACA
2412, on the same plane with the same engine. Then he changed to a more powerful
engine. He has the closest to comaparative data. Some of the Riblett 612 and
613.5s are just coming on line now. (If memory serves, check with Roman Bukolt,
for instance.)
>>
>> This is just grist for the mill... there are many other considerations. Adherence
to the original design, with its well known envelope, are two. But it is
your plane and your applications.
>>
>> In my case, starting afresh, as a fat boy in a warm climate, with an A-65, I
would go with the Riblett 613.5 and add wingspan, as well. And go on a diet,
too.
>>
>> Tim in central TX
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
>>>Sent: Jul 22, 2010 3:11 PM
>>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too...
>>>
>>>
>>>Good idea Oscar. I did in fact try to call him on the issue a couple
>>>of months ago, and left a message, but I wasn't sure if he was indeed
>>>still around, so I chickened out on calling again. I didn't think to
>>>call back this time, so i think I will give another shout out to him
>>>on this issue.
>>>
>>>Thanks for the suggestion.
>>>
>>>Mark
>>>
>>>On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:54 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark;
>>>>
>>>> Why not ask Harry Riblett about the 612 vs. 613.5?
>>>> I believe he's still around and talks freely with
>>>> homebuilders.
>>>>
>>>> Oscar Zuniga
>>>> Air Camper NX41CC
>>>> San Antonio, TX
>>>> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>>>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> >--
>>>Mark Roberts
>>>California Laser Etch
>>>www.california-laser.com
>>>888-882-5015
>>>888-882-5016 fax
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Mark Roberts
> California Laser Etch
> www.california-laser.com
> 888-882-5015
> 888-882-5016 fax
>
>
--
Mark Roberts
California Laser Etch
www.california-laser.com
888-882-5015
888-882-5016 fax
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead fly-in still on? weather is bad. |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
In Rockford for the night. Watched an awesome lightning display up north as we
were driving in. Looks like we are under a thunderstorm/tornado watch at the
moment, but the forecast calls for improving conditions over the next couple
of days.
See ya'll tomorrow.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Brodhead Friday 0700 |
Got here late last night during storm, raining now. Have not had a chance
to get over to the main action since I'm in the "motor home" area on the far
SE end of the field. Attached is a current radar image. Looks pretty
cruddy for today.
I would do a cam if someone would tell me how. But again, my coach is a
long way from the action.
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Friday 0700 |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Jack,
Actually, the further away from the landing area, the better! In fact, hopefully,
you are so far away that we really can't make out who, or what's landing. That
will make it more like that 'other' show. No need to narrate or zoom in...just
shake the camera once in awhile. :-O
Wish I was there, too...
Gary Boothe
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:16:53
0700
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Friday 0818 hrs |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Jack,
According to the "future" radar image at Weatherchannel.com, last time I
looked, this stuff is suppose to dry up between 9 and 10. This is what I
am hoping for, as I am pointed toward Brodhead (on the ground) and waitin
g to go. Right now it is raining, and still rumbling. Glad I stayed home
last night. I imagine the tenters just had a delightful evening last nigh
t.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 23, 2010 7:16 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Friday 0700
Got here late last night during storm, raining now. Have not had a chance
to get over to the main action since I=99m in the =9Cmotor ho
me=9D area on the far SE end of the field. Attached is a current ra
dar image. Looks pretty cruddy for today.
I would do a cam if someone would tell me how. But again, my coach is a
long way from the action
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Friday 0818 hrs |
| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
I set up tents late yesterday afternoon against the woods.....hope they are still
there! Apparently, I drove thru or near (2) tornadoes on my way home to Ft.
Atkinson yesterday.
--------
PAPA MIKE
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Lifetime Experience |
All,
Yesterday was a learning experience I shall never forget or top. It brought
tears to my eyes. My good friend Tom Wottreng assembled my C-85 with me.
What a knowledgeable man and a good guy. I've attached a couple of pictures
so as to not clutter the list. Next week when I'm home I will update my
site with more shots.
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Lifetime Experience |
Congrats on the new engine Jack!!! Almost like having a new baby....
Brian
SLC-UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 7:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lifetime Experience
All,
Yesterday was a learning experience I shall never forget or top. It
brought tears to my eyes. My good friend Tom Wottreng assembled my C-85
with me. What a knowledgeable man and a good guy. I've attached a
couple of pictures so as to not clutter the list. Next week when I'm
home I will update my site with more shots.
Jack
DSM
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| From: | "wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com" <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com> |
| Subject: | R/C Piet Kit on RCGroups For Sale (Not Mine) |
I saw this post today, and thought someone here might be interested in
looking at this kit. It's a lot easier to build and fly a 64" wingspan
model that a 1/2 scale!
Here's the link: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1274159
Wayne Bressler
Taildraggers, Inc.
www.taildraggersinc.com
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too... |
| From: | "flea" <jimgriggs(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey Mark, that jig is still looking good in my garage. I haven't built one yet
but it's fast becoming time.
Again thanks for the jig it looks great.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306117#306117
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Clearing 0730 Saturday |
Thought he may tell the list himself, but since you asked, it's Kevin
Purtee's. He can most accurately provide details, but I believe he broke
the left gear on takeoff. On landing it gave away completely. Within the
hour, the plane was on saws horses and the gear was being welded. I would
guess he will be in the air today. We are off to the other show.
Jack
DSM
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Clearing 0730 Saturday
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Clearing 0730 Saturday |
I heard Kevin Purtee had a messed up wheel, it was bent inward or just dangling
or something...
He circled the field a couple times then landed nice and smooth (I have no idea
how he was able to do that!) and did a nice gentle ground loop and the plane
just leaned down and rested on the wing tip.
Word I got (and I'm sure there's more to this...) was that his landing turned what
could have easily been a bad situation into a nice, minimal damage landing
he walked away from.
Mark C called me right after it happened but my cell coverage out here isn't too
good and I was having trouble hearing everything...so I hope I at least got
some of that right!
JM....in Pryor Oklahoma where the weather is depressing and disappointing because
I didn't get to go to BRODHEAD!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Boatright
Sent: Jul 24, 2010 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Clearing 0730 Saturday
Jack,
Thanks for the photos, but what is the wreck in the first
image?
And why not archive?
Jeff
Now clearing, nice
evening last night, heavy storms overnight.
Jack
DSM
Do not
archive
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Another Piet builder in the making! |
| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
Hello everyone!
My name is Curt Merdan, and I recently began my journey to Brodhead figuratively
speaking.
A few months back, I was talking with my wife Laura, saying that I needed to find
something to do in my freetime other than surfing the internet in a endless
search for nothing.
Then I came up with this crazy idea of building an airplane. Laura said that would
be a great idea. Wow, I got her blessing!
I went back to the internet to find the perfect airplane and guess what I found.
The beautiful, wood and fabric Pietenpol Aircamper. It is the perfect tribute
to my heritage. I am the son of a Seamstress and Carpenter from Minnesota.
I've got my plans, wood for the tail, glue, questions and motivation!
Curt Merdan
817-875-5027
Flower Mound, TX
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Another Piet builder in the making! |
Welcome, Curt!! Where in Texas is Flower Mound? Don't forget to check out
www.westcoastpiet.com.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 7:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet builder in the making!
Hello everyone!
My name is Curt Merdan, and I recently began my journey to Brodhead
figuratively speaking.
A few months back, I was talking with my wife Laura, saying that I needed to
find something to do in my freetime other than surfing the internet in a
endless search for nothing.
Then I came up with this crazy idea of building an airplane. Laura said
that would be a great idea. Wow, I got her blessing!
I went back to the internet to find the perfect airplane and guess what I
found. The beautiful, wood and fabric Pietenpol Aircamper. It is the perfect
tribute to my heritage. I am the son of a Seamstress and Carpenter from
Minnesota.
I've got my plans, wood for the tail, glue, questions and motivation!
Curt Merdan
817-875-5027
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Another Piet builder in the making! |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Welcome Curt! Looking forward to hearing of your progress.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Another Piet builder in the making! |
MARK!!!!!! What the heck are you doing on email?????? Get to the field!!!!!!!
-----Original Message-----
>From: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net>
>Sent: Jul 24, 2010 10:04 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Piet builder in the making!
>
>
>Welcome Curt! Looking forward to hearing of your progress.
>
>--------
>Mark Chouinard
>Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306143#306143
>
>
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Another Piet builder in the making! |
Flower Mound is sortof just north of Dallas, maybe a bit NW. Nice area with a
little airport I used to fly in and out of (NW Regional I think) nearby.
There are now several Piet builders in the DFW area....now that I DON'T live in
Plano anymore!!! :-)
jm...Pryor, OK
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
>Sent: Jul 24, 2010 9:37 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet builder in the making!
>
>
>Welcome, Curt!! Where in Texas is Flower Mound? Don't forget to check out
>www.westcoastpiet.com.
>
>Gary Boothe
>Cool, CA
>Pietenpol
>WW Corvair Conversion
>Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>20 ribs done
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112
>Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 7:33 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet builder in the making!
>
>
>Hello everyone!
>
>My name is Curt Merdan, and I recently began my journey to Brodhead
>figuratively speaking.
>
>A few months back, I was talking with my wife Laura, saying that I needed to
>find something to do in my freetime other than surfing the internet in a
>endless search for nothing.
>Then I came up with this crazy idea of building an airplane. Laura said
>that would be a great idea. Wow, I got her blessing!
>
>I went back to the internet to find the perfect airplane and guess what I
>found. The beautiful, wood and fabric Pietenpol Aircamper. It is the perfect
>tribute to my heritage. I am the son of a Seamstress and Carpenter from
>Minnesota.
>
>I've got my plans, wood for the tail, glue, questions and motivation!
>
>Curt Merdan
>817-875-5027
>Flower Mound, TX
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306140#306140
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another Piet builder in the making! |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
He's a lot closer to Jim Markle and the Oklahoma builders than he is to me down
here in San Antonio!
Welcome to the list, Curt.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| Subject: | Re: Another Piet builder in the making! |
| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks everyone for the warm welcome!
I hope this time next year, my wife and I can make it to Brodhead and share some
of our buiding experiences!
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
(10 mile final from 18R at DFW)
(19 mile final from 13R at DAL)
Tail Feather jig...sounds like a dance
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| Subject: | Re: Another Piet builder in the making! |
| From: | "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net> |
Carl, Welcome aboard. Keep us updated.
--------
Dan Plett
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| Subject: | Re: R/C Piet Kit on RCGroups For Sale (Not Mine) |
| From: | "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net> |
That would be a fun project. Now if I didn't already have an attic full of RC
airplanes --------------------.
--------
Dan Plett
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| Subject: | Re: Another Piet builder in the making! |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
Curt-that sounds great. my Daughter lives about 20 miles or less from you.I manage
to get down there from time to time.I'd like to keep up with your progress.sure
not many Piets up here around the Texas panhandle.hope you keep us posted
with your progress. Raymond
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| Subject: | Brodhead 2010: Memories (courtesy of Gene Rambo) |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Memories from Brodhead 2010, near and dear to our hearts!
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/DSCN2970.MOV
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2010: Memories (courtesy of Gene Rambo) |
Looks a tiny bit wet....I suppose those flashes weren't from arc welding....
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Mueller
Sent: Jul 24, 2010 10:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2010: Memories (courtesy of Gene Rambo)
Memories from Brodhead 2010, near and dear to our hearts!
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/DSCN2970.MOV
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| Subject: | Crash - Long Post |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi - I'd like to recount my mishap at Brodhead on Friday for members of the list.
The trip up: I made it from Austin to Brodhead in 3.5 days. 1.0 day delay due
to weather. The only issue I had during the trip was an attempted ground loop
east of Kansas City. I dragged the right wing tip but the damage was minimal.
It didn't make me happy but it was not a tragedy.
The mishap: I was doing a touch and go at Brodhead. During the "go" part I felt
the aircraft yaw sharply to the left. It felt like I had struck something with
the left gear or that the tire caught in the wet ground. I powered through
it and managed to avoid going into the corn field to the left of the runway.
I thought to myself, "For goodness sake (or something like that), what's wrong
with my ability to control this thing?" thinking back to the wingtip dragging
episode.
As I continued around the pattern I looked out and saw that my left landing gear
V was hanging from the rear attach point. The front part of the V had been
ripped loose from the mounting lug.
I flew over the field trying to get everyone's attention on the ground. I knew
I had succeeded when I saw everyone running in the same direction with a definite
purpose. I waited for the pattern to clear and then landed on one of the
closed runways to take advantage of a direct head wind. I also planned the approach
to take me in the vicinity of the group so that there was rescue available
quickly. The people on the ground did a great job clearing everyone off
of the runways.
I turned off the fuel on short final and performed a wheel landing. I held the
left wing up as long as possible. When the left gear dug in we were going pretty
slow. I flipped the ignition and battery off. The aircraft spun around
~180 degrees, the left wing tip touched the ground and the aircraft came to a
rest. There was no further incident. I will never forget the look on Jessie
Mueller's face as I was careening toward her and Ryan's brand new airplane. I
was stomping on the right brake pretty hard.
The repair: if you've got to wreck a Piet do it at Brodhead. Matt Smith, a local,
along with his Dad and son, spent 7 hours making the necessary repairs. The
landing gear V needed the lugs reattached, the bungee cross strut tab on the
bottom of the V had pulled out, and the bungee cross strut was bent. Matt,
an amazingly talented and knowledgeable A&P/IA did great work and taught me a
lot in the 7 hours. Unbelievable. You know he wouldn't take any money, right?
Of course not. I cannot express the depth of my gratitude to Matt, his Dad
and son. In addition to Matt and his family, several knowledgeable people looked
over the rest of the aircraft for me and verified that the landing gear was
the only apparent damage. I appreciate you.
Today: flew ~3 hours and took ~8 passengers. I told them all that I had wrecked
the day before. They all said, "I know" and we went flying. Amazing.
Cause: the yaw I felt on my touch and go was the left gear V front attachment failing.
If I had not noticed that the gear was hanging from the rear lug this
event may have gone very, very badly. I don't always check to see if the gear's
still there before landing but I've started to do so now. I'm glad I looked.
Anyway, the V attach lugs failed because I hit something or because the welds
were stressed and chose that time to fail. I did not find anything on the
runway so it may have been the latter. As I've mentioned here before I have
~140 hours on the plane since the first flight last September and I've done ~400
landings. I've worked the gear pretty hard.
Lessons Learned & Things I'll Start Doing: I'll darn sure preflight those attachment
lugs better. I'll also take the right gear off and have a professional
verify the integrity of my welds on that side. My before landing check now includes
a visual check of "Gear down and locked."
Good things: I was delighted to meet many of my internet friends in person. What
a great group of people! Then, with the wreck, they really came through and
showed me how wonderful they are. I have been nicknamed Kevin "Axel" Purtee
from TGWP. They had to explain the reference to me since it's been years since
I've seen the movie. It is quite funny and I shall wear my new nickname with
pride. I was presented an award for "The shortest landing at Brodhead in 2010"
which I will frame and hang in a prominent place. I have now been enshrined
in the Hitler video. A thing of beauty.
I'm going to miss some of you and I'm sorry, but thanks to everyone who helped,
including Jack Phillips, Gary at Brodhead, Lowell Frank, Rob Busch, Ernie Moreno,
Mike Cuy, Don Emch, John Hoffman and all the rest of the dozens of people
who helped. Thanks especially to Ryan and Jessie Mueller and Dan Yocum. They
rock. Sounds like an acceptance speech - sorry.
You may wanna archive this one.
You guys are spectacular.
--------
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306189#306189
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Crash - Long Post |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
What a story Kevin... it really couldn't have turned out better. Glad you and
your ship came out ok. We saw you flying most of the day Saturday.
Hope you have a safe trip home.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306207#306207
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Crash - Long Post |
Kevin- great to hear that you and the airplane survived
to fly another day. I've heard story after story about
how folks step up to the plate when things like this
happen, and you're back in the air before you know it.
Obviously, I'm jealous because you made it to Brodhead
and I never have. If you get time in the next couple of
weeks, I'd sure like to hear about your flight up there
and back, with as much detail as you can remember. Next
year I will turn 60 (July 28) and I am hoping I will be
able to celebrate that occasion with my first flight to
Brodhead in 41CC.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Crash - Long Post |
| From: | "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
Kevin,
I saw the vid and have to say that was some great flying and landing skills on
your part. Great job in saving what could have resulted in a serious and catastrophic
event.
Just amazing!
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 23:01:03
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Crash - Long Post
Hi - I'd like to recount my mishap at Brodhead on Friday for members of the list.
The trip up: I made it from Austin to Brodhead in 3.5 days. 1.0 day delay due
to weather. The only issue I had during the trip was an attempted ground loop
east of Kansas City. I dragged the right wing tip but the damage was minimal.
It didn't make me happy but it was not a tragedy.
The mishap: I was doing a touch and go at Brodhead. During the "go" part I felt
the aircraft yaw sharply to the left. It felt like I had struck something with
the left gear or that the tire caught in the wet ground. I powered through
it and managed to avoid going into the corn field to the left of the runway.
I thought to myself, "For goodness sake (or something like that), what's wrong
with my ability to control this thing?" thinking back to the wingtip dragging
episode.
As I continued around the pattern I looked out and saw that my left landing gear
V was hanging from the rear attach point. The front part of the V had been
ripped loose from the mounting lug.
I flew over the field trying to get everyone's attention on the ground. I knew
I had succeeded when I saw everyone running in the same direction with a definite
purpose. I waited for the pattern to clear and then landed on one of the
closed runways to take advantage of a direct head wind. I also planned the approach
to take me in the vicinity of the group so that there was rescue available
quickly. The people on the ground did a great job clearing everyone off
of the runways.
I turned off the fuel on short final and performed a wheel landing. I held the
left wing up as long as possible. When the left gear dug in we were going pretty
slow. I flipped the ignition and battery off. The aircraft spun around
~180 degrees, the left wing tip touched the ground and the aircraft came to a
rest. There was no further incident. I will never forget the look on Jessie
Mueller's face as I was careening toward her and Ryan's brand new airplane. I
was stomping on the right brake pretty hard.
The repair: if you've got to wreck a Piet do it at Brodhead. Matt Smith, a local,
along with his Dad and son, spent 7 hours making the necessary repairs. The
landing gear V needed the lugs reattached, the bungee cross strut tab on the
bottom of the V had pulled out, and the bungee cross strut was bent. Matt,
an amazingly talented and knowledgeable A&P/IA did great work and taught me a
lot in the 7 hours. Unbelievable. You know he wouldn't take any money, right?
Of course not. I cannot express the depth of my gratitude to Matt, his Dad
and son. In addition to Matt and his family, several knowledgeable people looked
over the rest of the aircraft for me and verified that the landing gear was
the only apparent damage. I appreciate you.
Today: flew ~3 hours and took ~8 passengers. I told them all that I had wrecked
the day before. They all said, "I know" and we went flying. Amazing.
Cause: the yaw I felt on my touch and go was the left gear V front attachment failing.
If I had not noticed that the gear was hanging from the rear lug this
event may have gone very, very badly. I don't always check to see if the gear's
still there before landing but I've started to do so now. I'm glad I looked.
Anyway, the V attach lugs failed because I hit something or because the welds
were stressed and chose that time to fail. I did not find anything on the
runway so it may have been the latter. As I've mentioned here before I have
~140 hours on the plane since the first flight last September and I've done ~400
landings. I've worked the gear pretty hard.
Lessons Learned & Things I'll Start Doing: I'll darn sure preflight those attachment
lugs better. I'll also take the right gear off and have a professional
verify the integrity of my welds on that side. My before landing check now includes
a visual check of "Gear down and locked."
Good things: I was delighted to meet many of my internet friends in person. What
a great group of people! Then, with the wreck, they really came through and
showed me how wonderful they are. I have been nicknamed Kevin "Axel" Purtee
from TGWP. They had to explain the reference to me since it's been years since
I've seen the movie. It is quite funny and I shall wear my new nickname with
pride. I was presented an award for "The shortest landing at Brodhead in 2010"
which I will frame and hang in a prominent place. I have now been enshrined
in the Hitler video. A thing of beauty.
I'm going to miss some of you and I'm sorry, but thanks to everyone who helped,
including Jack Phillips, Gary at Brodhead, Lowell Frank, Rob Busch, Ernie Moreno,
Mike Cuy, Don Emch, John Hoffman and all the rest of the dozens of people
who helped. Thanks especially to Ryan and Jessie Mueller and Dan Yocum. They
rock. Sounds like an acceptance speech - sorry.
You may wanna archive this one.
You guys are spectacular.
--------
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306189#306189
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | the video....?: Crash - Long Post |
Is the video available online somewhere?
-----Original Message-----
>From: John Recine <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
>Sent: Jul 25, 2010 11:35 AM
>To: Pietenpol builders Board
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Crash - Long Post
>
>
>Kevin,
>
>I saw the vid and have to say that was some great flying and landing skills on
your part. Great job in saving what could have resulted in a serious and catastrophic
event.
>
>Just amazing!
>
>
>John
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
>Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 23:01:03
>To:
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Crash - Long Post
>
>
>Hi - I'd like to recount my mishap at Brodhead on Friday for members of the list.
>
>The trip up: I made it from Austin to Brodhead in 3.5 days. 1.0 day delay due
to weather. The only issue I had during the trip was an attempted ground loop
east of Kansas City. I dragged the right wing tip but the damage was minimal.
It didn't make me happy but it was not a tragedy.
>
>The mishap: I was doing a touch and go at Brodhead. During the "go" part I felt
the aircraft yaw sharply to the left. It felt like I had struck something
with the left gear or that the tire caught in the wet ground. I powered through
it and managed to avoid going into the corn field to the left of the runway.
I thought to myself, "For goodness sake (or something like that), what's wrong
with my ability to control this thing?" thinking back to the wingtip dragging
episode.
>
>As I continued around the pattern I looked out and saw that my left landing gear
V was hanging from the rear attach point. The front part of the V had been
ripped loose from the mounting lug.
>
>I flew over the field trying to get everyone's attention on the ground. I knew
I had succeeded when I saw everyone running in the same direction with a definite
purpose. I waited for the pattern to clear and then landed on one of the
closed runways to take advantage of a direct head wind. I also planned the
approach to take me in the vicinity of the group so that there was rescue available
quickly. The people on the ground did a great job clearing everyone off
of the runways.
>
>I turned off the fuel on short final and performed a wheel landing. I held the
left wing up as long as possible. When the left gear dug in we were going pretty
slow. I flipped the ignition and battery off. The aircraft spun around
~180 degrees, the left wing tip touched the ground and the aircraft came to a
rest. There was no further incident. I will never forget the look on Jessie
Mueller's face as I was careening toward her and Ryan's brand new airplane.
I was stomping on the right brake pretty hard.
>
>The repair: if you've got to wreck a Piet do it at Brodhead. Matt Smith, a local,
along with his Dad and son, spent 7 hours making the necessary repairs.
The landing gear V needed the lugs reattached, the bungee cross strut tab on the
bottom of the V had pulled out, and the bungee cross strut was bent. Matt,
an amazingly talented and knowledgeable A&P/IA did great work and taught me a
lot in the 7 hours. Unbelievable. You know he wouldn't take any money, right?
Of course not. I cannot express the depth of my gratitude to Matt, his Dad
and son. In addition to Matt and his family, several knowledgeable people looked
over the rest of the aircraft for me and verified that the landing gear
was the only apparent damage. I appreciate you.
>
>Today: flew ~3 hours and took ~8 passengers. I told them all that I had wrecked
the day before. They all said, "I know" and we went flying. Amazing.
>
>Cause: the yaw I felt on my touch and go was the left gear V front attachment
failing. If I had not noticed that the gear was hanging from the rear lug this
event may have gone very, very badly. I don't always check to see if the gear's
still there before landing but I've started to do so now. I'm glad I looked.
Anyway, the V attach lugs failed because I hit something or because the
welds were stressed and chose that time to fail. I did not find anything on the
runway so it may have been the latter. As I've mentioned here before I have
~140 hours on the plane since the first flight last September and I've done
~400 landings. I've worked the gear pretty hard.
>
>Lessons Learned & Things I'll Start Doing: I'll darn sure preflight those attachment
lugs better. I'll also take the right gear off and have a professional
verify the integrity of my welds on that side. My before landing check now includes
a visual check of "Gear down and locked."
>
>Good things: I was delighted to meet many of my internet friends in person. What
a great group of people! Then, with the wreck, they really came through and
showed me how wonderful they are. I have been nicknamed Kevin "Axel" Purtee
from TGWP. They had to explain the reference to me since it's been years since
I've seen the movie. It is quite funny and I shall wear my new nickname with
pride. I was presented an award for "The shortest landing at Brodhead in
2010" which I will frame and hang in a prominent place. I have now been enshrined
in the Hitler video. A thing of beauty.
>
>I'm going to miss some of you and I'm sorry, but thanks to everyone who helped,
including Jack Phillips, Gary at Brodhead, Lowell Frank, Rob Busch, Ernie Moreno,
Mike Cuy, Don Emch, John Hoffman and all the rest of the dozens of people
who helped. Thanks especially to Ryan and Jessie Mueller and Dan Yocum. They
rock. Sounds like an acceptance speech - sorry.
>
>You may wanna archive this one.
>
>You guys are spectacular.
>
>--------
>Kevin Purtee
>NX899KP
>Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306189#306189
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2010: Memories (courtesy of Gene Rambo) |
Ryan,
I'm having a little trouble downloading the video file. Is it on-line
somewhere?
Thanks,
Darrel Jones
Pfeifer Sport N154JP
Sonoma, CA
On 7/24/2010 7:58 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> Memories from Brodhead 2010, near and dear to our hearts!
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/DSCN2970.MOV
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2010: Memories (courtesy of Gene Rambo) |
Takes a LONG time to download but it will download....mine played in the browser
(Firefox) window after it downloaded, took about 10 minutes....
-----Original Message-----
From: Darrel Jones
Sent: Jul 25, 2010 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2010: Memories (courtesy of Gene Rambo)
Ryan,
I'm having a little trouble downloading the video file. Is it on-line
somewhere?
Thanks,
Darrel Jones
Pfeifer Sport N154JP
Sonoma, CA
On 7/24/2010 7:58 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
Memories from Brodhead 2010, near and dear to our hearts!
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/DSCN2970.MOV
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2010: Memories (courtesy of Gene Rambo) |
Jim,
Thanks. I thought the download might have hung up. I'll just let it run.
Darrel
On 7/25/2010 11:25 AM, Jim Markle wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
>
> Takes a LONG time to download but it will download....mine played in the browser
(Firefox) window after it downloaded, took about 10 minutes....
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Darrel Jones
>
> Sent: Jul 25, 2010 1:02 PM
>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2010: Memories (courtesy of Gene Rambo)
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2010: Memories (courtesy of Gene Rambo) |
Just watched the "Memories" video. I thought the audio on my computer
was malfunctioning! Just the thunder and downpour. Need to get some
floats on those Piets.
Thanks,
Darrel Jones
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
where would the best place to start be, concerning the model A?
I would like to know where i can find cores, parts, build logs, conversions, ect.
So I can try and get a full picture. Just in case we decide that the model
A is what we want to go with.
I heard one up at Brodhead.... it was soo cool!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306250#306250
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2010: Memories (courtesy of Gene Rambo) |
I did the same....then started it a third time and forgot about it...then my computer
started thundering and lightning....a bit creepy when you don't expect
it!
Actually, I love it. Really makes you feel like you're there. Interesting effect.
jm....in Hampton CT....beautiful area but sure ain't Brodhead!!! :-)
-----Original Message-----
>From: Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com>
>Sent: Jul 25, 2010 1:55 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2010: Memories (courtesy of Gene Rambo)
>
>
>Jim,
>
>Thanks. I thought the download might have hung up. I'll just let it run.
>
>Darrel
>
>On 7/25/2010 11:25 AM, Jim Markle wrote:
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
>>
>> Takes a LONG time to download but it will download....mine played in the browser
(Firefox) window after it downloaded, took about 10 minutes....
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Darrel Jones
>>
>> Sent: Jul 25, 2010 1:02 PM
>>
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2010: Memories (courtesy of Gene Rambo)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: model A engine |
If I was doing it again (instead of buying one already built) I would figure out a way to get with Lowell Frank and/or Ken Perkins. There are others but I would find out everything you can from those two. Do a search of the Matronics Archives (http://www.matronics.com/searching/) for anything from Lowell. ("Pieti Lowell"). Ken doesn't get on this list but he also knows a LOT about what's going on with Model A's.
There won't be a book you can just check out but these folks and some others and
the original Pietenpol plans....that will be a great start!
That may have very well been Ken's Model A you heard...what a sweet sound. If
you're interested in more, I did an "engine start to engine stop" video of a ride
Ken gave me several years ago (he enjoyed it so much he went out and bought
a new computer so he could watch it!)...I would be glad to send you a copy on
CD.
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: j_dunavin <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jul 25, 2010 3:23 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: model A engine
>
>
>where would the best place to start be, concerning the model A?
>I would like to know where i can find cores, parts, build logs, conversions, ect.
So I can try and get a full picture. Just in case we decide that the model
A is what we want to go with.
>I heard one up at Brodhead.... it was soo cool!!
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306250#306250
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: R/C Piet Kit on RCGroups For Sale (Not Mine) |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Dan, sell the RC planes... it will clear up space in the attic, and it will help
fund your purchase of the plans for the 1:1 scale, or your first order of wood
and T-88. Get busy building, man!
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section done, ribs coming very soon!
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tailfeathers almost done
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306259#306259
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Down from the heavens... |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
This is what happens when you let Mike Cuy fly your wife in your Pietenpol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q70zh8s_6fU
Ryan
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2010: Memories (courtesy of Gene Rambo) |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Sorry for the troubles with the video. Now that we are home I've had a
chance to put it up on Youtube. It is an example of the storms we camped in
on Friday night:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OayCWX5REXg
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Jim Markle wrote:
> jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>
> I did the same....then started it a third time and forgot about it...then
> my computer started thundering and lightning....a bit creepy when you don't
> expect it!
>
> Actually, I love it. Really makes you feel like you're there. Interesting
> effect.
>
> jm....in Hampton CT....beautiful area but sure ain't Brodhead!!! :-)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com>
> >Sent: Jul 25, 2010 1:55 PM
> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2010: Memories (courtesy of Gene
> Rambo)
> >
> >
> >Jim,
> >
> >Thanks. I thought the download might have hung up. I'll just let it run.
> >
> >Darrel
> >
> >On 7/25/2010 11:25 AM, Jim Markle wrote:
> >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle<
> jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
> >>
> >> Takes a LONG time to download but it will download....mine played in the
> browser (Firefox) window after it downloaded, took about 10 minutes....
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >> From: Darrel Jones
> >>
> >> Sent: Jul 25, 2010 1:02 PM
> >>
> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2010: Memories (courtesy of Gene
> Rambo)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: R/C Piet Kit on RCGroups For Sale (Not Mine) |
| From: | "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net> |
Billy
You got it right about needing to sell the RC airplanes. Every now and then I
build another one for something to do. Fly it a few times then up in the attic
it goes.
I considered building a Piet then I came across a really nice one for sale a few
weeks ago. I missed out on the adventure and challenge of building and went
straight to the enjoyment of flying. :D
--------
Dan Plett
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306262#306262
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash - Long Post |
Axel's landing was a thing of beauty.
"The pond Axel the pond's the safest place!"
There were a bunch of us positioned in case any emergency were to befell
him.
"it just means the world to him you care....They're good people Axel!"
I myself was ready to smack him with a two-by-four in case It was
necessary.
I feel blessed to be a part of this group. Weather kept the Cub in the
hangar and the rains at night did not dampen the fun. This is not the
same event it was ten years ago. Since 1998 or so, with the growth of
this list, a new breed of Pietenpol builder has come forth and some
beautiful machines have been hatched. This year we added Dan Helsper's
and Kevin's, I mean Axel's, ships to that list. I also have found some
of my best friends are those I only see once or twice a year but for
whom I have great respect and tend to love like a brother. My eyes water
a bit, when we all leave, for some reason. It was great to add Kevin and
his new bride as well as the Chouinard family among others to the friend
list. I will add some pictures and comments after I get a charge back on
my camera.
However, this gentleman would like to have the last word on Kevin's
situation:
http://gallery.me.com/johnnyskyrocket#100026
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Jul 25, 2010, at 1:01 AM, kevinpurtee wrote:
>
> Hi - I'd like to recount my mishap at Brodhead on Friday for members
of the list.
>
> The trip up: I made it from Austin to Brodhead in 3.5 days. 1.0 day
delay due to weather. The only issue I had during the trip was an
attempted ground loop east of Kansas City. I dragged the right wing tip
but the damage was minimal. It didn't make me happy but it was not a
tragedy.
>
> The mishap: I was doing a touch and go at Brodhead. During the "go"
part I felt the aircraft yaw sharply to the left. It felt like I had
struck something with the left gear or that the tire caught in the wet
ground. I powered through it and managed to avoid going into the corn
field to the left of the runway. I thought to myself, "For goodness
sake (or something like that), what's wrong with my ability to control
this thing?" thinking back to the wingtip dragging episode.
>
> As I continued around the pattern I looked out and saw that my left
landing gear V was hanging from the rear attach point. The front part
of the V had been ripped loose from the mounting lug.
>
> I flew over the field trying to get everyone's attention on the
ground. I knew I had succeeded when I saw everyone running in the same
direction with a definite purpose. I waited for the pattern to clear
and then landed on one of the closed runways to take advantage of a
direct head wind. I also planned the approach to take me in the
vicinity of the group so that there was rescue available quickly. The
people on the ground did a great job clearing everyone off of the
runways.
>
> I turned off the fuel on short final and performed a wheel landing. I
held the left wing up as long as possible. When the left gear dug in we
were going pretty slow. I flipped the ignition and battery off. The
aircraft spun around ~180 degrees, the left wing tip touched the ground
and the aircraft came to a rest. There was no further incident. I will
never forget the look on Jessie Mueller's face as I was careening toward
her and Ryan's brand new airplane. I was stomping on the right brake
pretty hard.
>
> The repair: if you've got to wreck a Piet do it at Brodhead. Matt
Smith, a local, along with his Dad and son, spent 7 hours making the
necessary repairs. The landing gear V needed the lugs reattached, the
bungee cross strut tab on the bottom of the V had pulled out, and the
bungee cross strut was bent. Matt, an amazingly talented and
knowledgeable A&P/IA did great work and taught me a lot in the 7 hours.
Unbelievable. You know he wouldn't take any money, right? Of course
not. I cannot express the depth of my gratitude to Matt, his Dad and
son. In addition to Matt and his family, several knowledgeable people
looked over the rest of the aircraft for me and verified that the
landing gear was the only apparent damage. I appreciate you.
>
> Today: flew ~3 hours and took ~8 passengers. I told them all that I
had wrecked the day before. They all said, "I know" and we went flying.
Amazing.
>
> Cause: the yaw I felt on my touch and go was the left gear V front
attachment failing. If I had not noticed that the gear was hanging from
the rear lug this event may have gone very, very badly. I don't always
check to see if the gear's still there before landing but I've started
to do so now. I'm glad I looked. Anyway, the V attach lugs failed
because I hit something or because the welds were stressed and chose
that time to fail. I did not find anything on the runway so it may have
been the latter. As I've mentioned here before I have ~140 hours on the
plane since the first flight last September and I've done ~400 landings.
I've worked the gear pretty hard.
>
> Lessons Learned & Things I'll Start Doing: I'll darn sure preflight
those attachment lugs better. I'll also take the right gear off and
have a professional verify the integrity of my welds on that side. My
before landing check now includes a visual check of "Gear down and
locked."
>
> Good things: I was delighted to meet many of my internet friends in
person. What a great group of people! Then, with the wreck, they
really came through and showed me how wonderful they are. I have been
nicknamed Kevin "Axel" Purtee from TGWP. They had to explain the
reference to me since it's been years since I've seen the movie. It is
quite funny and I shall wear my new nickname with pride. I was
presented an award for "The shortest landing at Brodhead in 2010" which
I will frame and hang in a prominent place. I have now been enshrined
in the Hitler video. A thing of beauty.
>
> I'm going to miss some of you and I'm sorry, but thanks to everyone
who helped, including Jack Phillips, Gary at Brodhead, Lowell Frank, Rob
Busch, Ernie Moreno, Mike Cuy, Don Emch, John Hoffman and all the rest
of the dozens of people who helped. Thanks especially to Ryan and
Jessie Mueller and Dan Yocum. They rock. Sounds like an acceptance
speech - sorry.
>
> You may wanna archive this one.
>
> You guys are spectacular.
>
> --------
> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306189#306189
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: IGNITION SHIELDING Needed on A-65 |
----- Original Message ----
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 4:19:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: IGNITION SHIELDING Needed on A-65
Wing faring? Where is that located?
>
>N8031 had an antenna mounted to the wing faring. I took it off, but
>the previous owner had no problem with it there and the ignition
>cables are unshielded.
>
>Dan
>
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| Subject: | Re: Crash - Long Post |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Kevin,
Welcome to my club.
Just as I turned the corner after landing,I spotted you taking that final left
turn at 28 ft over my head, I stopped and whipped out my camera , snapped a perfect
shot through my cabanes just to the left of the Ford radiator, you were
about 10 Ft off the turf, with wheel snugged up under like a trick pilot showing
off , and as you administered a perfect, lame duck landing, I proudly lowered
my surprise shot of the day to my lap, and to my astonishment the two camera
batteries had sped to my lap without my knowledge just pry or to the speedy
camera work.
Sorry Kevin
By the way, I see you got a few new drain holes at the trailing edge of the wing,
that is the good news.
Pieti Lowell
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash - Long Post |
That hitler parady was a gutt buster!!!!- Wish I could have been there th
is year, and may you all have a fun and safe flight home from "pietenpol pa
radise".- Look out Kevin and Randy the furor is looking for you and the U
nited States Corvair-force.- It's ok though you should have at least 10-1
5 mph advantage on the rest of them.
-
Shad
Lt.- Crank Snapper U.S.Corvair-force RET=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Crash - Long Post |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Kevin gave his consent, so here it is. People in Wichita pay $15 or $20 to
see a crash like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH-lwcgop-8
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH-lwcgop-8>Ryan
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:00 PM, shad bell wrote:
> That hitler parady was a gutt buster!!!! Wish I could have been there this
> year, and may you all have a fun and safe flight home from "pietenpol
> paradise". Look out Kevin and Randy the furor is looking for you and the
> United States Corvair-force. It's ok though you should have at least 10-15
> mph advantage on the rest of them.
>
> Shad
> Lt. Crank Snapper U.S.Corvair-force RET
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lifetime Experience |
that engine looks great congrat sooner we have another flyship seyou jorge
from hanford.
--- On Fri, 7/23/10, Jack wrote:
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lifetime Experience
Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 6:55 AM
All,
Yesterday was a learning experience I shall never forget or top. It brought
tears to my eyes.=C2- My good friend Tom Wottreng assembled my C-85 with
me.=C2- What a knowledgeable man and a good guy.=C2- I=99ve atta
ched a couple of pictures so as to not clutter the list.=C2- Next week wh
en I=99m home I will update my site with more shots.
Jack
DSM
=C2-
=C2-=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash - Long Post |
Kevin looked so cool, calm and collected during the whole thing. I
especially liked the leisurely loop right in front of the camera.
Couldn't have planned it better. Very professional!
Typical of those Corvair Piet pilots.
Darrel
On 7/25/2010 7:31 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> Kevin gave his consent, so here it is. People in Wichita pay $15 or
> $20 to see a crash like this:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH-lwcgop-8
>
> Ryan
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: model A engine |
| From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
That's defiantly a start.
And yes it was Ken's piet. I double checked my pictures against the west coast
piet library.
I just can't believe that it has enough power to weight ratio, but when I talked
to the taller guy wiping it down on Sat. He seemed to indicate that, though
it wasn't a fast climber it had plenty of guts, for two.
He did say that it got a little hot in the summer time, but sure was nice in the
fall:)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306286#306286
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| Subject: | Re: Crash - Long Post |
| From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
WOW super good landing! I'm not sure that my normal landings in the 172 look as
good as that :o
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Oscars |
My votes:
Best Dramatic Film of the Year - The Great Axel Purtee, by Jess Mueller -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH-lwcgop-8
Best Comedy Film of the Year - Hitler's Tribute to Corvairs, by John Hoffman
- http://gallery.me.com/johnnyskyrocket#100026
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Crash - Long Post
Kevin gave his consent, so here it is. People in Wichita pay $15 or $20 to
see a crash like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH-lwcgop-8
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH-lwcgop-8> Ryan
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:00 PM, shad bell wrote:
That hitler parady was a gutt buster!!!! Wish I could have been there this
year, and may you all have a fun and safe flight home from "pietenpol
paradise". Look out Kevin and Randy the furor is looking for you and the
United States Corvair-force. It's ok though you should have at least 10-15
mph advantage on the rest of them.
Shad
Lt. Crank Snapper U.S.Corvair-force RET
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Crash - Long Post |
Oscar I hoping for the same thing, I will be 57 the 28th.
Jack
Jack Textor
29 SW 58th Drive
Des Moines, IA 50312
www.textors.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 8:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Crash - Long Post
Kevin- great to hear that you and the airplane survived
to fly another day. I've heard story after story about
how folks step up to the plate when things like this
happen, and you're back in the air before you know it.
Obviously, I'm jealous because you made it to Brodhead
and I never have. If you get time in the next couple of
weeks, I'd sure like to hear about your flight up there
and back, with as much detail as you can remember. Next
year I will turn 60 (July 28) and I am hoping I will be
able to celebrate that occasion with my first flight to
Brodhead in 41CC.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: model A engine |
| From: | "BYD" <bannerbill(at)att.net> |
This site might be of interest;
http://www.handhantique.com/modelab/modelab.html
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306300#306300
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| Subject: | This is not the same event it was ten years ago |
| From: | John Fay <jfay1950(at)gmail.com> |
I would like to echo John Hofmann's sentiments about the Brodhead fly in.
Actually, he said it so well, there is nothing more for me to say.
As the Brits would say: "Hear! Hear!"
John Fay in Peoria
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 7:40 PM, John Hofmann wrote:
> Axel's landing was a thing of beauty.
>
> "The pond Axel the pond's the safest place!"
>
> There were a bunch of us positioned in case any emergency were to befell
> him.
>
> "it just means the world to him you care....They're good people Axel!"
>
> I myself was ready to smack him with a two-by-four in case It was
> necessary.
>
> I feel blessed to be a part of this group. Weather kept the Cub in the
> hangar and the rains at night did not dampen the fun. This is not the same
> event it was ten years ago. Since 1998 or so, with the growth of this list,
> a new breed of Pietenpol builder has come forth and some beautiful machines
> have been hatched. This year we added Dan Helsper's and Kevin's, I mean
> Axel's, ships to that list. I also have found some of my best friends are
> those I only see once or twice a year but for whom I have great respect and
> tend to love like a brother. My eyes water a bit, when we all leave, for
> some reason. It was great to add Kevin and his new bride as well as
> the Chouinard family among others to the friend list. I will add some
> pictures and comments after I get a charge back on my camera.
>
> However, this gentleman would like to have the last word on Kevin's
> situation:
>
> http://gallery.me.com/johnnyskyrocket#100026
>
> -john-
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2424 American Lane
> Madison, WI 53704
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: R/C Piet Kit on RCGroups For Sale (Not Mine) |
| From: | John Fay <jfay1950(at)gmail.com> |
Dan,
Where do you live? Can you give us a few more particulars of your purchase
and a couple of pics?
John Fay in Peoria
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Dan P wrote:
>
> Billy
> You got it right about needing to sell the RC airplanes. Every now and
> then I build another one for something to do. Fly it a few times then up in
> the attic it goes.
>
> I considered building a Piet then I came across a really nice one for sale
> a few weeks ago. I missed out on the adventure and challenge of building
> and went straight to the enjoyment of flying. :D
>
> --------
> Dan Plett
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306262#306262
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/sam_0804_166.jpg
>
>
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Down from the heavens... |
> This is what happens when you let Mike Cuy fly your wife in your
Pietenpol:
Way to go Jess - what fun! By the way, was that a flight in your new
airplane with Mike Cuy doing the drivin' or was that in Mike's plane?
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Down from the heavens... |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
That was Mike flying with Jess in our new Pietenpol.... :)
Ryan
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:14 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
> > This is what happens when you let Mike Cuy fly your wife in your
> Pietenpol:
>
> *Way to go Jess - what fun! By the way, was that a flight in your new
> airplane with Mike Cuy doing the drivin' or was that in Mike's plane?*
> **
> *Tom Stinemetze*
> *McPherson, KS*
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash - Long Post |
Hi Kevin,
Really glad you got the Piet flying again. It is always best to fly with so
meone who had a learning experience; you know they won't let the same thing
happen again.
Really great to meet you in person and have many more happy hours flying th
at wonderful Piet.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 11:01:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Crash - Long Post
il>
Hi - I'd like to recount my mishap at Brodhead on Friday for members of the
list.
The trip up: I made it from Austin to Brodhead in 3.5 days. =C2-1.0 day d
elay due to weather. =C2-The only issue I had during the trip was an atte
mpted ground loop east of Kansas City. =C2-I dragged the right wing tip b
ut the damage was minimal. =C2-It didn't make me happy but it was not a t
ragedy.
The mishap: I was doing a touch and go at Brodhead. =C2-During the "go" p
art I felt the aircraft yaw sharply to the left. =C2-It felt like I had s
truck something with the left gear or that the tire caught in the wet groun
d. =C2-I powered through it and managed to avoid going into the corn fiel
d to the left of the runway. =C2-I thought to myself, "For goodness sake
(or something like that), what's wrong with my ability to control this thin
g?" thinking back to the wingtip dragging episode.
As I continued around the pattern I looked out and saw that my left landing
gear V was hanging from the rear attach point. =C2-The front part of the
V had been ripped loose from the mounting lug. =C2-
I flew over the field trying to get everyone's attention on the ground. =C2
-I knew I had succeeded when I saw everyone running in the same direction
with a definite purpose. =C2-I waited for the pattern to clear and then
landed on one of the closed runways to take advantage of a direct head wind
. =C2-I also planned the approach to take me in the vicinity of the group
so that there was rescue available quickly. =C2-The people on the ground
did a great job clearing everyone off of the runways. =C2-
I turned off the fuel on short final and performed a wheel landing. =C2-I
held the left wing up as long as possible. =C2-When the left gear dug in
we were going pretty slow. =C2-I flipped the ignition and battery off.
=C2-The aircraft spun around ~180 degrees, the left wing tip touched the
ground and the aircraft came to a rest. =C2-There was no further incident
. =C2-I will never forget the look on Jessie Mueller's face as I was care
ening toward her and Ryan's brand new airplane. =C2-I was stomping on the
right brake pretty hard. =C2-
The repair: if you've got to wreck a Piet do it at Brodhead. =C2-Matt Smi
th, a local, along with his Dad and son, spent 7 hours making the necessary
repairs. =C2-The landing gear V needed the lugs reattached, the bungee c
ross strut tab on the bottom of the V had pulled out, and the bungee cross
strut was bent. =C2-Matt, an amazingly talented and knowledgeable A&P/IA
did great work and taught me a lot in the 7 hours. =C2-Unbelievable. =C2
-You know he wouldn't take any money, right? =C2-Of course not. =C2-I
cannot express the depth of my gratitude to Matt, his Dad and son. =C2-I
n addition to Matt and his family, several knowledgeable people looked over
the rest of the aircraft for me and verified that the landing gear was the
only apparent damage. =C2-I appreciate you.
Today: flew ~3 hours and took ~8 passengers. =C2-I told them all that I h
ad wrecked the day before. =C2-They all said, "I know" and we went flying
. =C2-Amazing.
Cause: the yaw I felt on my touch and go was the left gear V front attachme
nt failing. =C2-If I had not noticed that the gear was hanging from the r
ear lug this event may have gone very, very badly. =C2-I don't always che
ck to see if the gear's still there before landing but I've started to do s
o now. =C2-I'm glad I looked. =C2-Anyway, the V attach lugs failed beca
use I hit something or because the welds were stressed and chose that time
to fail. =C2-I did not find anything on the runway so it may have been th
e latter. =C2-As I've mentioned here before I have ~140 hours on the plan
e since the first flight last September and I've done ~400 landings. =C2-
I've worked the gear pretty hard.
Lessons Learned & Things I'll Start Doing: I'll darn sure preflight those a
ttachment lugs better. =C2-I'll also take the right gear off and have a p
rofessional verify the integrity of my welds on that side. =C2-My before
landing check now includes a visual check of "Gear down and locked."
Good things: I was delighted to meet many of my internet friends in person.
=C2-What a great group of people! =C2-Then, with the wreck, they reall
y came through and showed me how wonderful they are. =C2-I have been nick
named Kevin "Axel" Purtee from TGWP. =C2-They had to explain the referenc
e to me since it's been years since I've seen the movie. =C2-It is quite
funny and I shall wear my new nickname with pride. =C2-I was presented an
award for "The shortest landing at Brodhead in 2010" which I will frame an
d hang in a prominent place. =C2-I have now been enshrined in the Hitler
video. =C2-A thing of beauty.
I'm going to miss some of you and I'm sorry, but thanks to everyone who hel
ped, including Jack Phillips, Gary at Brodhead, Lowell Frank, Rob Busch, Er
nie Moreno, Mike Cuy, Don Emch, John Hoffman and all the rest of the dozens
of people who helped. =C2-Thanks especially to Ryan and Jessie Mueller a
nd Dan Yocum. =C2-They rock. =C2-Sounds like an acceptance speech - sor
ry.
You may wanna archive this one. =C2-
You guys are spectacular.
--------
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Crash - Long Post |
Ryan and Jesse,
Jesse sounded like she was having too much fun in that flight with Mike. Yo
u guys have one nice Piet enjoy it; I'm jealous.
Really great seeing your two again and Arlene says Hi too.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 7:31:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Crash - Long Post
Kevin gave his consent, so here it is. People in Wichita pay $15 or $20 to
see a crash like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH-lwcgop-8
Ryan
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:00 PM, shad bell < aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com > wrote:
That hitler parady was a gutt buster!!!!=C2- Wish I could have been there
this year, and may you all have a fun and safe flight home from "pietenpol
paradise".=C2- Look out Kevin and Randy the furor is looking for you and
the United States Corvair-force.=C2- It's ok though you should have at l
east 10-15 mph advantage on the rest of them.
Shad
Lt.=C2- Crank Snapper U.S.Corvair-force RET
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://
forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
==
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | brass plating and metal rolling |
Hey everyone.
Great to see you all, and glad we all weathered the storm. Marci and I had
a great time, and I got the shot in the arm I need to get back to building!!
Two questions.
1. I have an aluminum part I want brass plated. I know this is a multi step
process involving zinc or nickel plating, then brass plating etc. I am
having a heck of a time finding a plating shop to do it, any ideas out
there?
2. If I wanted a thin wall stainless tube that I simply couldn't find stock,
I was thinking I could have a sheet metal shop roll some up for me. What is
this process called and what type of shop would I look for? I'm thinking
six foot lengths about 2.5" in diameter.
Thanks,
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: brass plating and metal rolling |
Hi Douwe,
McMaster-Carr has 0.065 walled 2.5" OD stainless tubing for $104-118 per
6' lengths.
Can't help you on the brass plating, though.
Cheers!
Dan
On 07/26/2010 01:59 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg"
>
> Hey everyone.
>
> Great to see you all, and glad we all weathered the storm. Marci and I had
> a great time, and I got the shot in the arm I need to get back to building!!
>
> Two questions.
>
> 1. I have an aluminum part I want brass plated. I know this is a multi step
> process involving zinc or nickel plating, then brass plating etc. I am
> having a heck of a time finding a plating shop to do it, any ideas out
> there?
>
> 2. If I wanted a thin wall stainless tube that I simply couldn't find stock,
> I was thinking I could have a sheet metal shop roll some up for me. What is
> this process called and what type of shop would I look for? I'm thinking
> six foot lengths about 2.5" in diameter.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Douwe
>
>
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: brass plating and metal rolling |
Many years ago I had a custom motorcycle with some gold and chrome plating done
by a place in Padukah, KY, Brown's Plating maybe. Don't remember the name for
sure but it's been there forever and might be an option to check out.
>From Hartford CT (my email yesterday said "Hampton, CT"...what a dummy, I'm STAYING
at the Hampton Inn!!)....far far from Brodhead and/or my shop....oh well.
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jul 26, 2010 2:59 PM
>To: pietenpolgroup
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: brass plating and metal rolling
>
>
>Hey everyone.
>
>Great to see you all, and glad we all weathered the storm. Marci and I had
>a great time, and I got the shot in the arm I need to get back to building!!
>
>Two questions.
>
>1. I have an aluminum part I want brass plated. I know this is a multi step
>process involving zinc or nickel plating, then brass plating etc. I am
>having a heck of a time finding a plating shop to do it, any ideas out
>there?
>
>2. If I wanted a thin wall stainless tube that I simply couldn't find stock,
>I was thinking I could have a sheet metal shop roll some up for me. What is
>this process called and what type of shop would I look for? I'm thinking
>six foot lengths about 2.5" in diameter.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Douwe
>
>
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too... |
> You can change a lot of the flight dynamics witha ANY airfoil by building the
Piet as light as possible, powering it up a bit, and/or by adding some wingspan.
I had the opportunity to see Ty Daniels take off at Brodhead in his Piet
- talk about an absolute elevator! Unbelievable. He and his wife were
at 100' within 100' of leaving the runway! I'm not exaggerating. At
that height he nosed it over a bit to gain some extra speed to keep
flying, but then he just kept climbing, although at a slower rate.
The key is to build light light light. Ty's plane weighs 640 *with
12gal fuel!!*
Ty's a young guy about 6'3" and 140lbs. His wife is 110lbs. He's got
an A-65 with a McCauley climb prop of unknown pitch.
For comparison, N8031 is between 710-730lbs *empty* and with just my
butt in there I could get to 250-300' by the end of the 2400' runway.
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: brass plating and metal rolling |
| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
You could do it yourself:
http://www.caswellplating.com/kits/
For the stainless tubing I recommend:
http://www.burnsstainless.com
Hans
NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:59 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: brass plating and metal rolling
hlink.net>
Hey everyone.
Great to see you all, and glad we all weathered the storm. Marci and I ha
d
great time, and I got the shot in the arm I need to get back to building!
!
Two questions.
1. I have an aluminum part I want brass plated. I know this is a multi st
ep
rocess involving zinc or nickel plating, then brass plating etc. I am
aving a heck of a time finding a plating shop to do it, any ideas out
here?
2. If I wanted a thin wall stainless tube that I simply couldn't find stoc
k,
was thinking I could have a sheet metal shop roll some up for me. What
is
his process called and what type of shop would I look for? I'm thinking
ix foot lengths about 2.5" in diameter.
Thanks,
Douwe
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead |
Now there is a TRUSTING husband to allow an infidel like me to fly thier br
and new Pietenpol and then
let his wife Jess go along for my first time flying it.
What a NICE flying Pietenpol and it climbs really well with a strong engine
, straight rigging, and excellent windshields. I flew with no goggles and
my contacts in and no issues what so ever.
I was honored to be able to hop a few rides for Ryan and Jess, plus Jack Ph
illips had enough for the day and was
meeting up on the field with one of his good buddies from North Carolina.
Getting a little sun and seeing Sean Tucker trying to pull more g's than a
human body should be ever able to endure
here at Oshkosh. As Walt Evans says, Ain't life grand ?
Mike C. in Oshkosh
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead |
Mike,
Thank you for the nice report on N502R. I spent a lot of time bringing
her to that point. It was hard to let her go but it really helps that
such a nice couple bought her and have become her caretakers. I'm doing
well and wish to thank everyone for their prayers. They have really
helped. My last exam indicated that the Chemo is working, so keep the
prayers coming.
As a side note, I have all 4 of Tony Bingelis' books, in new condition,
that I will let go to anyone on this list for $50. plus shipping.
Everyone, fly safe
Gene in beautiful (but VERY HOT) Tennessee
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 3:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead
Now there is a TRUSTING husband to allow an infidel like me to fly thier
brand new Pietenpol and then
let his wife Jess go along for my first time flying it.
What a NICE flying Pietenpol and it climbs really well with a strong
engine, straight rigging, and excellent windshields. I flew with no
goggles and my contacts in and no issues what so ever.
I was honored to be able to hop a few rides for Ryan and Jess, plus Jack
Phillips had enough for the day and was
meeting up on the field with one of his good buddies from North
Carolina.
Getting a little sun and seeing Sean Tucker trying to pull more g's than
a human body should be ever able to endure
here at Oshkosh. As Walt Evans says, Ain't life grand ?
Mike C. in Oshkosh
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead |
Gene, I would like to buy your set of Bengellis books. Gardiner Mason
--- On Mon, 7/26/10, Gene & Tammy wrote:
From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead
Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 6:41 PM
=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0AMike,=0AThank you for the nice report on N502R.- I
spent a =0Alot of time bringing her to that point.- It was hard to let h
er go but it =0Areally helps that such a nice couple bought her and have be
come her =0Acaretakers.- I'm doing well and wish to thank everyone for th
eir =0Aprayers.- They have really helped.- My last exam indicated that
the =0AChemo is working, so keep the prayers coming.=0AAs a side note, I ha
ve all 4 of Tony Bingelis' books, in =0Anew condition, that I will let go t
o anyone on this list for $50. plus =0Ashipping.- =0AEveryone, fly safe
=0AGene-- in beautiful (but VERY HOT) =0ATennessee=0A=0A
=0A=0AFrom: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace =0ACorporation] =0ASe
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ryan and Jess new Piet at =0ABrodhead=0A
=0A=0ANow there is a TRUSTING husband to allow an infidel like me to fly th
ier =0Abrand new Pietenpol and then=0Alet his wife Jess go along for my fir
st time =0Aflying it.- =0A-=0AWhat a NICE flying Pietenpol and it climb
s really =0Awell with a strong engine, straight rigging, and excellent =0Aw
indshields.-- I flew with no goggles and my contacts in and no issues
=0Awhat so ever.-- =0A-=0AI was honored to be able to hop a few rides
for =0ARyan and Jess, plus Jack Phillips had enough for the day and was=0A
meeting up on the field with one of his good =0Abuddies from North Carolina
. =0A-=0AGetting a little sun and seeing Sean Tucker trying =0Ato pull mo
re g's than a human body should be ever able to endure=0Ahere at Oshkosh.
---- As Walt =0AEvans says, Ain't life grand ?=0A-=0AMike C. in O
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead |
Gardiner, you can contact me off list at zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net
or 731-336-6893.
Also, just in case anyone is interested, I have a maule tail wheel
assembly I'd let go very cheaply.
Gene
From: airlion
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead
Gene, I would like to buy your set of Bengellis books. Gardiner
Mason
--- On Mon, 7/26/10, Gene & Tammy
wrote:
From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 6:41 PM
Mike,
Thank you for the nice report on N502R. I spent a lot of time
bringing her to that point. It was hard to let her go but it really
helps that such a nice couple bought her and have become her caretakers.
I'm doing well and wish to thank everyone for their prayers. They have
really helped. My last exam indicated that the Chemo is working, so
keep the prayers coming.
As a side note, I have all 4 of Tony Bingelis' books, in new
condition, that I will let go to anyone on this list for $50. plus
shipping.
Everyone, fly safe
Gene in beautiful (but VERY HOT) Tennessee
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 3:50 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead
Now there is a TRUSTING husband to allow an infidel like me to
fly thier brand new Pietenpol and then
let his wife Jess go along for my first time flying it.
What a NICE flying Pietenpol and it climbs really well with a
strong engine, straight rigging, and excellent windshields. I flew
with no goggles and my contacts in and no issues what so ever.
I was honored to be able to hop a few rides for Ryan and Jess,
plus Jack Phillips had enough for the day and was
meeting up on the field with one of his good buddies from North
Carolina.
Getting a little sun and seeing Sean Tucker trying to pull more
g's than a human body should be ever able to endure
here at Oshkosh. As Walt Evans says, Ain't life grand ?
Mike C. in Oshkosh
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| Subject: | Re: R/C Piet Kit on RCGroups For Sale (Not Mine) |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
I guess I missed seeing the picture of your newly acquired Piet in your post Dan...
Congrats, and hope to see you in Brodhead with it next year!
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section done, ribs coming next!
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tailfeathers almost done
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| Subject: | Re: brass plating and metal rolling |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Douwe, it was a pleasure meeting you and your wife this past weekend!
As for the thin-wall stainless tubing, just how thin are you looking for?
You might check in your local area for shops that do car exhaust work, many newer
cars have stainless exhaust systems and 2.5" diameter is a common size for
car exhaust systems. Wall thickness is approximately .032" or thereabout. Might
be what you are looking for, and might save you some money getting it locally.
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section done, ribs coming next
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tailfeathers almost done
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| Subject: | Re: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
I have to echo Mike Cuy's sentiments about what a nice airplane that Jess and
Ryan have now. I was fortunate enough to get a ride in the plane with Mike at
the controls, and it was a great ride. He even let me take the stick for a few
minutes. It flew just like an airplane should, and getting a ride was a great
shot in the arm for me to stop making excuses and start making sawdust again!
It's really a shame that Brodhead lasts only 2 days, how great it would be if it
were a week-long event! I got to meet a lot of people, but didn't have enough
time to meet as many people as I would have liked to! But there is always
next year!
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section done, ribs coming next
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tailfeathers almost done
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| Subject: | A Piet owner for two weeks now |
| From: | "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net> |
I have had inquiries on the purchase and ownership of my Piet. Rather than hi
jacking someone else's topic I'll start one of my own.
>From a Barnstormers ad we located a Piet for sale in Collinsville, Ok just north
of Tulsa. June 19th Steve R, my son and I flew to Collinsville for an inspection.
A few days later my offer was accepted.
July 10th Steve R, my son and I flew back to Collinsville for a final inspection
and to take delivery. Steve flew it to Alva, OK. Once in Alva Steve gave
me a few hours of dual time before soloing and flying it back to Liberal, KS
were it is now home.
N28WH first flew in 1995 and has approx 200 hrs on the airframe. The A-65 has
approx 40 hrs on it since rebuild. I have somewhere between 10 to 15 hrs in
it so far. I'm still trying to get the hang of flying a tail dragger. It's
getting better. The good landings are beginning to out number the bad.
[Shocked]
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Dan Plett
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| Subject: | Re: A Piet owner for two weeks now |
| From: | "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net> |
Thank you.
Kevin Helf did a really nice job building that Piet. His wood working ability
and equipment would rival that of many cabinet shops. His A&P skills were evident
through out the construction.
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Dan Plett
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Jess having fun and Ryan's first ride on Sunday morning |
with Jack Phillips
The great part about Gene P.'s Piet being flown at Bhead by Jack Phillips was the
fact that on Sunday morning Jack tookoff with a stout Ryan Mueller (much like
me) in the front seat to the East
into a nice 10 mph breeze and that airplane did a great job of getting out of there,
bar none. I'm impressed as could be. Several good buddies including
Glenn Thomas, Rob Busch, and John Hofmann
watched as Gene's Cloudcar prop and that newer 50 SMOH engine and combo was incredible
getting out of there. They did a fine job and I hope Ryan will give
us his impressions of what he felt the plane handled like from the front seat
after they got flying over to Poplar Grove, IL (Home of Dan Helsper's AMAZING
Ford Piet for fuel. Gene P. should be given a very big pat on the back
for just building by the plans to have a VERY NICE performing Piet as the plans
show------stellar perofrmance without reinvening the wheel. My hat is off
to Gene P. from TN. Congrats to Ryan and Jess in Chicago for being the
new caretakers of her.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Jess having fun and Ryan's first ride on Sunday morning |
with Jack Phillips
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Mike,
She did an admirable job of hauling Jack and my "stout" behind out of
Brodhead, indeed. This was also with an almost full tank of gas; we filled
up the evening before and there was only one short ride hopped that morning.
Granted she did not climb like a rocket, but we were able to keep up with
Dan & Dan. That was my first time up in a Piet so I can't compare to other
Piets, but she flew nicely.
Just to clarify, Gene was not the original builder of N502R. With that being
said he is responsible for making her such a beautiful, strong flying
airplane, having done a quality major overhaul on the engine, installing the
Cloudcars prop, etc. We feel very blessed to have been given the chance to
be N502R's caretakers and we look forward to having lots of fun with her and
sharing her with others as much as we possibly can.
Time for bed. Have fun at OSH Mikee!
Ryan
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] wrote:
> Aerospace Corporation]"
>
>
> The great part about Gene P.'s Piet being flown at Bhead by Jack Phillips
> was the fact that on Sunday morning Jack tookoff with a stout Ryan Mueller
> (much like me) in the front seat to the East
> into a nice 10 mph breeze and that airplane did a great job of getting out
> of there, bar none. I'm impressed as could be. Several good buddies
> including Glenn Thomas, Rob Busch, and John Hofmann
> watched as Gene's Cloudcar prop and that newer 50 SMOH engine and combo
> was incredible getting out of there. They did a fine job and I hope Ryan
> will give us his impressions of what he felt the plane handled like from the
> front seat after they got flying over to Poplar Grove, IL (Home of Dan
> Helsper's AMAZING Ford Piet for fuel. Gene P. should be given a very big
> pat on the back for just building by the plans to have a VERY NICE
> performing Piet as the plans show------stellar perofrmance without
> reinvening the wheel. My hat is off to Gene P. from TN. Congrats to
> Ryan and Jess in Chicago for being the new caretakers of her.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jess having fun and Ryan's first ride on Sunday |
morning with Jack Phillips
Congrats to Ryan and Jess.- I hope to be able to make next years pilgrama
ge to Brodhead in NX92GB.- Jess nice camera work covering Axle's airshow,
but -I could hear some worry in your voice, could not have had a better
cammera angle anywhere.- Kevin, thats was some good stick and rudder skil
ls, and I hope to meet you next year at brodhead with your nice corvair pie
t.- If I happen to be down in Texas in the next year or so I will look yo
u up, I go to Dallas once in a while and could catch a flight to Austin if
I have the time (a free fringe bennifit of working for an airline).-
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2010: Memories (courtesy of Gene Rambo) |
| From: | "Larry Vetter" <vetter(at)evertek.net> |
This was my first time at Brodhead, and I enjoyed every minute of it. When I heard
it thundering I was glad to be in a dry motel room :)
I'm still kind of new to the Piet. but learned a lot while there. I really wanted
to go for a ride, but I feel way to awkward asking someone for a ride in there
airplane. We ( my girlfriend and I) will be back next year hopefully with
some picture progress on my Pietenpol. Great even, loved it!
Larry
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2010: Memories (courtesy of Gene Rambo) |
Hi Larry,
Welcome to the list! I believe I spoke with you, your daughter, and a
gentleman from SW Minnesota while I was buttoning up N8031 one night.
Or, maybe that wasn't you - I met so many wonderful people I can't keep
everyone straight in my head.
I thought you already had a flying Pietenpol? Or again, is that my
faulty memory playing tricks on me?
Dan
On 07/27/2010 07:52 AM, Larry Vetter wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Larry Vetter"
>
> This was my first time at Brodhead, and I enjoyed every minute of it. When I
heard it thundering I was glad to be in a dry motel room :)
>
> I'm still kind of new to the Piet. but learned a lot while there. I really wanted
to go for a ride, but I feel way to awkward asking someone for a ride in
there airplane. We ( my girlfriend and I) will be back next year hopefully with
some picture progress on my Pietenpol. Great even, loved it!
>
> Larry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306427#306427
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | =?UTF-8?Q?(CS)=C2=B2 t-shirts? |
Hey Bratman; are you really making up some "Crank Snappin' Corvair
Society" t-shirts to sell? I would like to be first in line if you are.
We should get somebody with artistic skills to make up a (CS) logo for
us to emblazon with pride on our Corvair powered birds. Maybe Karetaker
Aero as he's obviously had some practice at it. By the way, the new
Hitler spoof had me rollin' on the floor when the boss walked in.
Embarrassing but worth it.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
or maybe N328 x (CS)
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Pietenpol-List=3A_=28CS=29=B2_t-shirts? |
If there is a big enough, (serious) interest in a(CS)2- type logo, I can
work on that. Always open for logo ideas/designs!
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_Pietenpol-List=3A_Re=3A_Pietenpol-List=3A_?= |
=?iso-8859-1?Q?=28CS=29=B2_t-shirts?
I would buy several (CS)2 t-shirts.
Brian
SLC-UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List: (CS)=B2 t-shirts
If there is a big enough, (serious) interest in a(CS)2 type logo, I can
work on that. Always open for logo ideas/designs!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ?Q?Re:_Pietenpol-List:_RE:_Pietenpol-List:_Re:_Pietenpol-?= =?utf-8?Q?List:_=28CS=29=C2=B2_t-shirts? |
I would buy a couple as well!!
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 27, 2010, at 1:18 PM, brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com wrote:
> I would buy several (CS)2 t-shirts.
>
>
>
> Brian
>
> SLC-UT
>
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:12 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
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> If there is a big enough, (serious) interest in a(CS)2 type logo, I can w
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: ?Q?Re:_Pietenpol-List:_Re:_Pietenpol-List:_(CS)=C2=B2_t-shirts? |
Hi Michael,
Put me down for a shirt.
thanks,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Perez" <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:11:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List: (CS)=C2=B2 t-shirts
If there is a big enough, (serious) interest in a(CS)2=C2- type logo, I c
an work on that. Always open for logo ideas/designs!
Michael Perez
K aretaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 859-1?Q?Re:_Pietenpol-List:_=28CS=29=B2_t-shirts? |
Actually, yes I am. I am just about finished. I have been revamping my
website and will post them in the next week or so as I have a bit of
time while on vacation this week.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:29 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
> Hey Bratman; are you really making up some "Crank Snappin' Corvair
Society" t-shirts to sell? I would like to be first in line if you are.
>
> We should get somebody with artistic skills to make up a (CS)=B2 logo
for us to emblazon with pride on our Corvair powered birds. Maybe
Karetaker Aero as he's obviously had some practice at it. By the way,
the new Hitler spoof had me rollin' on the floor when the boss walked
in. Embarrassing but worth it.
>
> Tom Stinemetze
> N328X
> or maybe N328 x (CS)=B2
>
>
>
>
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Pietenpol-List=3A_RE=3A_Pietenpol-List=3A_Re=3A_Piet?= |
=?iso-8859-1?Q?enpol-List=3A_=28CS=29=B2_t-shirts?
I am missing something. What is a CS2 t shirt? I haven't seen any pictures
of it. Gardiner.
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e:
From: Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List: (CS)
=B2 t-shirts
Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 1:37 PM
I would buy a couple as well!!
Sent from my iPhone
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Pietenpol-List=3A_Re=3A_Pietenpol-List=3A_=28CS=29?= |
=?iso-8859-1?Q?=B2_t-shirts?
Thank you Tom for the kind words. Feel free to use that logo as a screen sa
ver. (But please do not reproduce it.- 8^[ )- ) I actually have a few o
ther logos just like it for "Homebuilders" and "Experimental". Ultimately,
I would like to buy an embroidery set-up and sell them and my other creatio
ns in the form of patches that can sewn on anything the customer wishes.
It appears that John Hoffman is already in the works on just such a logo. I
f he would like some input, or if we believe there should be more then one
entity working on such a project, I could work on the art.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Fwd: Fw: Cajun Recipes |
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: ?Q?Re:_Pietenpol-List:_(CS)=C2=B2_t-shirts? |
Hi John,
I should have known you were the one doing the crank snapping shirts. I def
initely want at least one.
Thanks and it was nice seeing you at Brodhead.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hofmann" <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:21:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (CS)=C2=B2 t-shirts
Actually, yes I am. I am just about finished. I have been revamping my webs
ite and will post them in the next week or so as I have a bit of time while
on vacation this week.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email:=C2- jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:29 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
Hey Bratman; are you really making up some "Crank Snappin' Corvair Society"
t-shirts to sell?=C2- I would like to be first in line if you are.=C2-
We should get somebody with artistic skills to make up a (CS)=C2=B2 logo fo
r us to emblazon with pride on our Corvair powered birds.=C2- Maybe Karet
aker Aero as he's obviously had some practice at it.=C2- By the way, the
new Hitler spoof had me rollin' on the floor when the boss walked in.=C2-
Embarrassing but worth it.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
or maybe N328 x (CS)=C2=B2
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/">htt
p://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">htt
p://www.matronics.com/contribution
==
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Pietenpol-List=3A_Re=3A_Pietenpol-List=3A_Re=3A_Piet?= |
=?iso-8859-1?Q?enpol-List=3A_=28CS=29=B2_t-shirts?
I appreciate that Tom.- Embroided patches are something that will take ti
me mainly because of the initial start up costs, but I feel eventually, I w
ill get there.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH...a |
log entry
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hello all you good people,
I finally was able to catch my breath after returning from Brodhead, to do
a little writing.
Got up early on Friday. Kept checking the weather radar every 15 minutes..
.............watching that stationary front, was agonizing. Had to wait ti
ll 12 noon on Friday to depart, since my home-made prop could not tolerate
one drop of rain. At 12:15, was finally able to start-er up, and taxi out
to runway. As I took-off, and ventured away from the Poplar Grove Airport
perimeter, I got a lump in my throat and a knot in my stomach. I said to
myself..."now I know how Charles Lindbergh felt when he left the security
of the land beneath him (Nova Scotia), and ventured out over the Atlantic
"..............there was no turning back now.................... very nerv
ous along the way.... kept checking the oil pressure, water temp., and pic
king out emergency landing fields on the ground along the way.........over
and over and over again............ took comfort in the repetitive report
, from the sound of my Ford model A ............. ........"pockita-pockit
a-pockita-pockita".....Finally was able to settle down, look down, and app
reciate God's creation....How beautiful she is!!! WOW!!! ........was using
my GPS to stay on course.....after about 35 minutes, got close enough to
spot the airfield at Brodhead.......turned off the GPS, and as I approach
ed closer, lowered the nose, increased airspeed, and came roaring-in over
the treetops to surprise the crowd!!!!........it was spectacular.!!!! ...
Made a tight right-hand turn,.... and then a left....... then hard-over
for a 45-degree- bank, 360 turn right over the crowd at low level.......
came-around.... and landed.....taxied -in and shut-er down right in front
of the crowd......before I could remove my goggles and leather helmet, I
was getting an ovation......WOW!!!.......ten years of building finally pa
id-off!!!
Thanks to all for the support and encouragement along the way, from everyb
ody on this list. I don't know about you all, but I am addicted to this li
st, and I consider you all among my good friends, even though I have never
met many of you. This list and it's people is what kept me going through
the years, when I was stuck or discouraged. Those few days when nobody wr
ote in were very depressing for me. So keep writing.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
Got up early on Friday. Kept checking the weather radar every 15 minutes..
.............watching that stationary front, was agonizing. Had to wait ti
ll 12 noon on Friday to depart, since my home-made prop could not tolerate
one drop of rain. At 12:15, was finally able to start-er up, and taxi out
to runway. As I took-off, and ventured away from the Poplar Grove Airport
perimeter, I got a lump in my throat and a knot in my stomach. I said to
myself..."now I know how Charles Lindbergh felt when he left the security
of the land beneath him (Nova Scotia), and ventured out over the Atlantic
"..............there was no turning back now.................... very nerv
ous along the way.... kept checking the oil pressure, water temp., and pic
king out emergency landing fields on the ground along the way.........over
and over and over again............ took comfort in the repetitive report
, from the sound of my Ford model A ............. ........"pockita-pockit
a-pockita-pockita".....Finally was able to settle down, look down, and app
reciate God's creation....How beautiful she is!!! WOW!!! ........was using
my GPS to stay on course.....after about 35 minutes, got close enough to
spot the airfield at Brodhead.......turned off the GPS, and as I approach
ed closer, lowered the nose, increased airspeed, and came roaring-in over
the treetops to surprise the crowd!!!!........it was spectacular.!!!! ...
Made a tight right-hand turn,.... and then a left....... then hard-over
for a 45-degree- bank, 360 turn right over the crowd at low level.......
came-around.... and landed.....taxied -in and shut-er down right in front
of the crowd......before I could remove my goggles and leather helmet, I
was getting an ovation......WOW!!!.......ten years of building finally pa
id-off!!!
Thanks to all for the support and encouragement along the way, from everyb
ody on this list. I don't know about you all, but I am addicted to this li
st, and I consider you all among my good friends, even though I have never
met many of you. This list and it's people is what kept me going through
the years, when I was stuck or discouraged. Those few days when nobody wr
ote in were very depressing for me. So keep writing.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH...a |
log en
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
After about 35 MINUTES? Now how do you equate that to crossing the Atlantic, at
night-? Here in Texas it takes that long just to unfold our state map! ;o)
Just kidding with you, Dan. What a handsome airplane you've built, and it's great
to hear all the excitement. Well worth celebrating.
I'm sure your daughter is mighty proud of you, too. (That IS your daughter in
the picture with you, isn't it?)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306508#306508
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH...a |
log entry
Dan,
Beautiful post; beautiful experience, beautiful plane, great builder.
Congratulations. Keep it up. This is an important milestone, but now you need
to add the hours, see the sites, buy the $$$ burgers, look over more of God's
green earth. Get bugs on your teeth.
You have done the heavy lifting, fun though it may have been. Now is the second
phase of "fun... fun... fun...," and no one takes the T-bird away.
Piet builders and fliers are special people, all right. Look what they did
to help Kevin Purtee this last week. Look at all the posts in great detail, unselfishly
offered, over the years. All the pictures of tiny little details.
Terrific stories and cameraderie. And of course Brodhead is magical.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Jul 27, 2010 7:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH...a
log entry
Hello all you good people,
I finally was able to catch my breath after returning from Brodhead, to do a little
writing.
Got up early on Friday. Kept checking the weather radar every 15 minutes...............watching
that stationary front, was agonizing. Had to wait till 12 noon
on Friday to depart, since my home-made prop could not tolerate one drop of
rain. At 12:15, was finally able to start-er up, and taxi out to runway. As I
took-off, and ventured away from the Poplar Grove Airport perimeter, I got a lump
in my throat and a knot in my stomach. I said to myself..."now I know how
Charles Lindbergh felt when he left the security of the land beneath him (Nova
Scotia), and ventured out over the Atlantic"..............there was no turning
back now.................... very nervous along the way.... kept checking the
oil pressure, water temp., and picking out emergency landing fields on the ground
along the way.........over and over and over again............ took comfort
in the repetitive report, from the sound of my Ford model A .............
........"pockita-pockita-pockita-pockita".....Finally was able to settle down,
look down, and appreciate God's creation....How beautiful she is!!! WOW!!! ........was
using my GPS to stay on course.....after about 35 minutes, got close
enough to spot the airfield at Brodhead.......turned off the GPS, and as I approached
closer, lowered the nose, increased airspeed, and came roaring-in over
the treetops to surprise the crowd!!!!........it was spectacular.!!!! ... Made
a tight right-hand turn,.... and then a left....... then hard-over for a 45-degree-
bank, 360 turn right over the crowd at low level....... came-around....
and landed.....taxied -in and shut-er down right in front of the crowd......before
I could remove my goggles and leather helmet, I was getting an ovation......WOW!!!.......ten
years of building finally paid-off!!!
Thanks to all for the support and encouragement along the way, from everybody on
this list. I don't know about you all, but I am addicted to this list, and I
consider you all among my good friends, even though I have never met many of
you. This list and it's people is what kept me going through the years, when I
was stuck or discouraged. Those few days when nobody wrote in were very depressing
for me. So keep writing.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH...a |
log en
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Dan,
I saw your airplane and heard some of your explanations of your wheel covering.
Congratulations, it is a beautiful ship.
Jon Coxwell
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306510#306510
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH...a |
log entry
Congratulations on finishing such a fine bird. I only wish I only lived
35 minutes away, because I sure would have loved to have my plane there
instead of a rented Nissan.
I'm only about 1300 miles away, so that is about 20 hours flying time.
I'd sure feel like Lindberg at the end of that flight! Maybe some day.
Nice meeting you and all the others in person, only wish I'd had more
time to spend with each of you.
Ben Charvet
Soon to be back in Mims, Fl
On 7/27/2010 8:41 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Hello all you good people,
> I finally was able to catch my breath after returning from Brodhead,
> to do a little writing.
>
> Got up early on Friday. Kept checking the weather radar every 15
> minutes...............watching that stationary front, was agonizing.
> Had to wait till 12 noon on Friday to depart, since my home-made prop
> could not tolerate one drop of rain. At 12:15, was finally able to
> start-er up, and taxi out to runway. As I took-off, and ventured away
> from the Poplar Grove Airport perimeter, I got a lump in my throat and
> a knot in my stomach. I said to myself..."now I know how Charles
> Lindbergh felt when he left the security of the land beneath him (Nova
> Scotia), and ventured out over the Atlantic"..............there was no
> turning back now.................... very nervous along the way....
> kept checking the oil pressure, water temp., and picking out emergency
> landing fields on the ground along the way.........over and over and
> over again............ took comfort in the repetitive report, from
> the sound of my Ford model A .............
> ........"pockita-pockita-pockita-pockita".....Finally was able to
> settle down, look down, and appreciate God's creation....How beautiful
> she is!!! WOW!!! ........was using my GPS to stay on course.....after
> about 35 minutes, got close enough to spot the airfield at
> Brodhead.......turned off the GPS, and as I approached closer, lowered
> the nose, increased airspeed, and came roaring-in over the treetops to
> surprise the crowd!!!!........it was spectacular.!!!! ... Made a tight
> right-hand turn,.... and then a left....... then hard-over for a
> 45-degree- bank, 360 turn right over the crowd at low level.......
> came-around.... and landed.....taxied -in and shut-er down right in
> front of the crowd......before I could remove my goggles and leather
> helmet, I was getting an ovation......WOW!!!.......ten years of
> building finally paid-off!!!
> _*/Thanks to all for the support and encouragement along the way/*_,
> from everybody on this list. I don't know about you all, but I am
> addicted to this list, and I consider you all among my good friends,
> even though I have never met many of you. This list and it's people is
> what kept me going through the years, when I was stuck or discouraged.
> Those few days when nobody wrote in were very depressing for me. So
> keep writing.
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Never mind you Cranky Snappers! Check out this
for your "A" powered Time Machine. :-)
Clif
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| Subject: | Re: Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH...a |
log en
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
A great Piet and a great guy Congratulations Dan, but East to West was also that
flyer Beryl Markham , also solo across the Atlantic.
Pieti Lowell
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306516#306516
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| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=28CS=29=B2?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_t-shirts? |
I'll take one.
Darrel Jones
Pfeifer Sport N154JP
On 7/27/2010 10:11 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> If there is a big enough, (serious) interest in a(CS)2 type logo, I
> can work on that. Always open for logo ideas/designs!
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> -
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Just got back to Remsen NY, 2200 miles R/T, driving. Sure would be nice to do
it in a GN-1. I just want to say that this event is what grassroots flying is
all about.
No glitzy airshow but great people, great food, and great airplanes all around.
Special thanks to Dale McCleskey for bringing the only GN-1 (that I saw) and for
the great ride he gave me including some flying from the front hole. I have
a real incentive to get my bird in the air and see if I can sit in it long enough
to get to Brodhead in 2011.
I think Dale was a newcomer to Brodhead but he sure flew the pants off that little
bird and he always had a different passenger. Dale, I hope you got home OK
and will post some of your navigation experiences. Great stories!
Jon Coxwell
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH...a |
log entry
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Congratulations Dan! Great write-up as well.
Here's a couple vids we had from the weekend...(sorry, not the greatest)
Arrival:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHheb54LX9s
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHheb54LX9s>Taking off:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_dTXVEiHh4
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_dTXVEiHh4>Ryan
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:41 PM, wrote:
> Hello all you good people,
>
> I finally was able to catch my breath after returning from Brodhead, to do
> a little writing.
>
> Got up early on Friday. Kept checking the weather radar every 15
> minutes...............watching that stationary front, was agonizing. Had to
> wait till 12 noon on Friday to depart, since my home-made prop could not
> tolerate one drop of rain. At 12:15, was finally able to start-er up, and
> taxi out to runway. As I took-off, and ventured away from the Poplar Grove
> Airport perimeter, I got a lump in my throat and a knot in my stomach. I
> said to myself..."now I know how Charles Lindbergh felt when he left the
> security of the land beneath him (Nova Scotia), and ventured out over the
> Atlantic"..............there was no turning back now....................
> very nervous along the way.... kept checking the oil pressure, water temp.,
> and picking out emergency landing fields on the ground along the
> way.........over and over and over again............ took comfort in the
> repetitive report, from the sound of my Ford model A .............
> ........"pockita-pockita-pockita-pockita".....Finally was able to settle
> down, look down, and appreciate God's creation....How beautiful she is!!!
> WOW!!! ........was using my GPS to stay on course.....after about 35
> minutes, got close enough to spot the airfield at Brodhead.......turned off
> the GPS, and as I approached closer, lowered the nose, increased airspeed,
> and came roaring-in over the treetops to surprise the crowd!!!!........it
> was spectacular.!!!! ... Made a tight right-hand turn,.... and then a
> left....... then hard-over for a 45-degree- bank, 360 turn right over the
> crowd at low level....... came-around.... and landed.....taxied -in and
> shut-er down right in front of the crowd......before I could remove my
> goggles and leather helmet, I was getting an ovation......WOW!!!.......ten
> years of building finally paid-off!!!
>
> *Thanks to all for the support and encouragement along the way*, from
> everybody on this list. I don't know about you all, but I am addicted to
> this list, and I consider you all among my good friends, even though I have
> never met many of you. This list and it's people is what kept me going
> through the years, when I was stuck or discouraged. Those few days when
> nobody wrote in were very depressing for me. So keep writing.
>
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
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| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | model a engine available? |
I see on craigslist that there is a 1929 flathead 4 model A engine with tra
nny for $125. Don't know if this is a desirable core or not. This is in t
he Minneapolis=2C Mn area.
Tom B.
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| Subject: | Photos from Brodhead 2010 |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Okay Piet lovers, I have managed to edit, resize and upload to photobucket.com
the 400 photos that I took this past weekend. They have been sized to 800x600
so that they load quickly for easier viewing. Hope that you all enjoy them!
http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff297/billmz/Brodhead%20Pietenpol%20Fly-In%202010/
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tailfeathers almost done
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Piets in N. California/So. Oregon |
Anybody know of any Piets or builders in the northern
California or southern Oregon area? I just noticed a
note from Rex Ervin in Klamath Falls, Oregon in the
latest BPA newsletter inquiring about this. I'd also
like to know if anyone knows Rex and can maybe put me
in contact with him? Thanks.
PS, had one of the smoothest flights ever in
my airplane the other morning. I rarely get to fly in
the early morning and it was superb. It really lets
you see where your airplane needs tweaking in trim...
I think I need to add some more rudder trim to 41CC
but had never really noticed it since most of my
flying is in the bumpy afternoons. Not a hands-off
airplane but I'll bet it could be pretty close to it
if I took some time to work on refining it. Gosh,
that will mean a lot more flying to get it figured out.
Hard work, but somebody has to do it ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Oscar,
Don't know Rex, but there are several of us builders in NCal, including the notorious
Chris Tracy.
Gary Boothe
------Original Message------
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Sent: Jul 28, 2010 7:33 AM
Anybody know of any Piets or builders in the northern
California or southern Oregon area? I just noticed a
note from Rex Ervin in Klamath Falls, Oregon in the
latest BPA newsletter inquiring about this. I'd also
like to know if anyone knows Rex and can maybe put me
in contact with him? Thanks.
PS, had one of the smoothest flights ever in
my airplane the other morning. I rarely get to fly in
the early morning and it was superb. It really lets
you see where your airplane needs tweaking in trim...
I think I need to add some more rudder trim to 41CC
but had never really noticed it since most of my
flying is in the bumpy afternoons. Not a hands-off
airplane but I'll bet it could be pretty close to it
if I took some time to work on refining it. Gosh,
that will mean a lot more flying to get it figured out.
Hard work, but somebody has to do it ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH...a |
log entry
Man, that big ol' prop looks good! Thanks for the vids!
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon |
Oscar,
What do you think of your new A75 with the chromed cylinders? Better'n
the A65? I'm slowly but surely acquiring the pieces of an A75 with
chromed cylinders from my dad... I'm thinking of putting it back
together and maybe putting it on my Piet.
Though, I gotta say, after the rings seated in the "new" #4 cylinder
this past weekend I can't complain much about the new climb rate.
Thanks,
Dan
On 07/28/2010 09:33 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga
>
>
> Anybody know of any Piets or builders in the northern
> California or southern Oregon area? I just noticed a
> note from Rex Ervin in Klamath Falls, Oregon in the
> latest BPA newsletter inquiring about this. I'd also
> like to know if anyone knows Rex and can maybe put me
> in contact with him? Thanks.
>
> PS, had one of the smoothest flights ever in
> my airplane the other morning. I rarely get to fly in
> the early morning and it was superb. It really lets
> you see where your airplane needs tweaking in trim...
> I think I need to add some more rudder trim to 41CC
> but had never really noticed it since most of my
> flying is in the bumpy afternoons. Not a hands-off
> airplane but I'll bet it could be pretty close to it
> if I took some time to work on refining it. Gosh,
> that will mean a lot more flying to get it figured out.
> Hard work, but somebody has to do it ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon |
Hello Oscar,
There is a flying Piet in Chico, CA. Don't know the owners name but found o
ut about it on this site couple of months ago.
Also there is Irwin Furst somewhere in the Lincoln, CA (Sacramento area) wi
th a flying Piet.
Then there is the group of us starting with Chris Tracy, Carmichael, Gary B
oothe, Cool, Michael Weaver, Lincoln, me in Santa Rosa, and Vic and Michael
Groah, Tulare all building Piets. Vic and Michael are about ready for cove
r and Chris and Gary should also be close.
Jim
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From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:33:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon
Anybody know of any Piets or builders in the northern
California or southern Oregon area? =C2-I just noticed a
note from Rex Ervin in Klamath Falls, Oregon in the
latest BPA newsletter inquiring about this. =C2-I'd also
like to know if anyone knows Rex and can maybe put me
in contact with him? =C2-Thanks.
=C2-
PS, had one of the smoothest flights ever in
my airplane the other morning. =C2-I rarely get to fly in
the early morning and it was superb. =C2-It really lets
you see where your airplane needs tweaking in trim...
I think I need to add some more rudder trim to 41CC
but had never really noticed it since most of my
flying is in the bumpy afternoons. =C2-Not a hands-off
airplane but I'll bet it could be pretty close to it
if I took some time to work on refining it. =C2-Gosh,
that will mean a lot more flying to get it figured out.
Hard work, but somebody has to do it ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Piets in N. California/So. |
Oregon]
On 07/28/2010 09:54 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> Ya know, a Cloudcars prop cut for a flanged A-65 might help as well.... :)
Yup. That thought did cross my mind, too. I kind of like my McCauley
74x42 prop, though. I'm guessing that I'd need a new one for the A75...
Ok, let's take this discussion on yet another tangent: I meant to ask
you - what RPM were you and Jack running from Poplar Grove to Olson? I
think I was at about 2070 (or 1800 indicated on my tachometer). Were
you much off of that?
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | To Door or not to Door |
| From: | "Phil" <hopkinsp2(at)gmail.com> |
I'm still gathering info for my decision. One of the few concerns I have is access
to the front cockpit. I see that very few Piets seem to have built some
kind of door, or at least a lower coaming for the front cockpit. Are there reasons
for this of which I'm sorely ignorant? It seems that either a small door,
or even just a lowered side on one side, would ease entry and exit. Does anyone
have a door? Does it help or not that much?
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| Subject: | Re: Photos from Brodhead 2010 |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Great pictures Billy. You really captured the spirit of the event.
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: To Door or not to Door |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Dale McClesky's wood version GN-1 had a door and he gave me a ride at Brodhead.
This is the first time I have been in the front cockpit even though I have a
70% complete GN-1. I will definitely make the conversion before I cover the
fuselage. I am 67, fairly limber, but I would have had a difficult time getting
into the front without the door.
Dale said his GN-1 plans showed the door, mine do not for the wood version but
do on the steel tube fuselage. One can pretty well interpret what to do from
there as the tubing layout almost exactly follows the wood version except for
the door. I think there have been plan modifications for the Piet as well which
one can find on the internet.
If one wants to hop passengers I think the door is a real advantage.
Jon Coxwell
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH...a |
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| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
You should see Dan's prop in person, Jeff. It's a work of art, and the perfect
crowning touch to the rest of his flawless Piet!
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tailfeathers almost done
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: To Door or not to Door |
Jon I have a door in the front pit and it makes it a lot easier. The way I did
it was to add an extra longeron 7 inches lower than plans from the firewall back
to behind the rear seat. I also have the 26 inch wide fuse. Empty wt is 750 lbs.
Cheers, Gardiner Mason NX 840 LM
----- Original Message ----
From: coxwelljon <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Sent: Wed, July 28, 2010 12:02:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Door or not to Door
Dale McClesky's wood version GN-1 had a door and he gave me a ride at Brodhead.
This is the first time I have been in the front cockpit even though I have a 70%
complete GN-1. I will definitely make the conversion before I cover the
fuselage. I am 67, fairly limber, but I would have had a difficult time getting
into the front without the door.
Dale said his GN-1 plans showed the door, mine do not for the wood version but
do on the steel tube fuselage. One can pretty well interpret what to do from
there as the tubing layout almost exactly follows the wood version except for
the door. I think there have been plan modifications for the Piet as well which
one can find on the internet.
If one wants to hop passengers I think the door is a real advantage.
Jon Coxwell
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: Jess having fun and Ryan's first ride on Sunday morning |
wi
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Here's a picture I took of Jess in the front seat with Mike C. at the controls...
Definitely looks like they are having fun!
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Urbana, IL
tailfeathers almost done
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
California/So. Oregon]
Dan,
Ryan and I were running about 2000 RPM to keep from running over Dan Helsper
in his Model A powered Piet. I occasionally had to throttle back to 1900 as
we still got too close every now and then.
Still sitting in west Tennessee waiting for the weather to improve in North
Carolina so I can fly the RV-4 home. Gotta get out of here before my mother
puts another 15 pounds on me, feeding me all my favorite foods. I hope to
be home by Friday.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:33 AM
Subject: mccauley vs. cloudcars prop [was: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in N.
California/So. Oregon]
On 07/28/2010 09:54 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> Ya know, a Cloudcars prop cut for a flanged A-65 might help as well....
:)
Yup. That thought did cross my mind, too. I kind of like my McCauley
74x42 prop, though. I'm guessing that I'd need a new one for the A75...
Ok, let's take this discussion on yet another tangent: I meant to ask
you - what RPM were you and Jack running from Poplar Grove to Olson? I
think I was at about 2070 (or 1800 indicated on my tachometer). Were
you much off of that?
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
California/So. Oregon]
On 07/28/2010 11:29 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
>
> Dan,
>
> Ryan and I were running about 2000 RPM to keep from running over Dan Helsper
> in his Model A powered Piet. I occasionally had to throttle back to 1900 as
> we still got too close every now and then.
>
> Still sitting in west Tennessee waiting for the weather to improve in North
> Carolina so I can fly the RV-4 home. Gotta get out of here before my mother
> puts another 15 pounds on me, feeding me all my favorite foods. I hope to
> be home by Friday.
Hi Jack,
Hope that weather clears out for you... if only so you don't max out the
gross weight on your Piet. ;-)
From Brodhead to Poplar Grove I was running 1700 indicated, which is
really about 1950 true RPM.
What about after we dropped Dan H. off? What RPM were you running
between Poplar Grove and Olson? I kept mine steady at 1800 indicated,
or 2070 true.
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | To Door or not to Door |
Phil,
You've gotten a few responses in favor of a door. Let me give some
arguments against it, so you can judge for yourself.
Pietenpols don't handle weight very well. A small addition in weight makes
a big impact on performance. Adding a door requires cutting the main
structural member of the fuselage and requires adding a substantial amount
of structure to replace the lost strength and stiffness.
There are very few lightweight passengers that would require a door. The
ones that are heavy enough to have trouble climbing in without a door are
likely too heavy to carry well. I use the lack of a door as a screen to
prevent taking the most obese passengers, without having to tel them they
are simply too heavy to fly.
Just something to think about.
"Simplicate and add Lightness"
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: To Door or not to Door
I'm still gathering info for my decision. One of the few concerns I have is
access to the front cockpit. I see that very few Piets seem to have built
some kind of door, or at least a lower coaming for the front cockpit. Are
there reasons for this of which I'm sorely ignorant? It seems that either a
small door, or even just a lowered side on one side, would ease entry and
exit. Does anyone have a door? Does it help or not that much?
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
California/So. Oregon]
After leaving Poplar Grove I was running 2150.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: mccauley vs. cloudcars prop [was: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in
N. California/So. Oregon]
On 07/28/2010 11:29 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack
Phillips"
>
> Dan,
>
> Ryan and I were running about 2000 RPM to keep from running over Dan
Helsper
> in his Model A powered Piet. I occasionally had to throttle back to 1900
as
> we still got too close every now and then.
>
> Still sitting in west Tennessee waiting for the weather to improve in
North
> Carolina so I can fly the RV-4 home. Gotta get out of here before my
mother
> puts another 15 pounds on me, feeding me all my favorite foods. I hope to
> be home by Friday.
Hi Jack,
Hope that weather clears out for you... if only so you don't max out the
gross weight on your Piet. ;-)
From Brodhead to Poplar Grove I was running 1700 indicated, which is
really about 1950 true RPM.
What about after we dropped Dan H. off? What RPM were you running
between Poplar Grove and Olson? I kept mine steady at 1800 indicated,
or 2070 true.
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: To Door or not to Door |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
As Jack has mentioned, keeping the weight down is important. Our Piet
appears to be built relatively close to the plans, and as such is a lighter
airplane. It performs quite nicely....heck, it was able to haul over 1200
lbs out of Brodhead with an A-65 on a nice summer day. If I was to attempt
to make it easier to get into or out of, I would much rather raise the
cabanes a couple of inches than add all the weight that a front door would
require. If you are going to use a Corvair you could probably handle the
extra weight better because of having more power on tap, but I would still
rather just keep the weight down and have an even better performing
airplane.
As Jack said, if you are too big to get in without a door then you are
probably too heavy to fly in a Piet anyhow. If you are just not limber
enough to get in the front with any amount of assistance, then a door is
probably not going to make the difference between getting in or not. You
still have to climb up inside, and negotiate struts, wires, the wing,
etc....
Ryan
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>
> Phil,
>
> You've gotten a few responses in favor of a door. Let me give some
> arguments against it, so you can judge for yourself.
>
> Pietenpols don't handle weight very well. A small addition in weight makes
> a big impact on performance. Adding a door requires cutting the main
> structural member of the fuselage and requires adding a substantial amount
> of structure to replace the lost strength and stiffness.
>
> There are very few lightweight passengers that would require a door. The
> ones that are heavy enough to have trouble climbing in without a door are
> likely too heavy to carry well. I use the lack of a door as a screen to
> prevent taking the most obese passengers, without having to tel them they
> are simply too heavy to fly.
>
> Just something to think about.
>
> "Simplicate and add Lightness"
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:35 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: To Door or not to Door
>
>
> I'm still gathering info for my decision. One of the few concerns I have
> is
> access to the front cockpit. I see that very few Piets seem to have built
> some kind of door, or at least a lower coaming for the front cockpit. Are
> there reasons for this of which I'm sorely ignorant? It seems that either
> a
> small door, or even just a lowered side on one side, would ease entry and
> exit. Does anyone have a door? Does it help or not that much?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306563#306563
>
>
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: To Door or not to Door |
Hi Phil,
You have gotten=C2- quite a few responses to your question on door or not
.
I have added a door to my Piet in building (door plans from Keri Ann Price)
and with out the door my wife with two artifical hip joints and one knee w
ould not be able to get in. At our West Coast Piet gathering down at Frazie
r Lake Charlie Miller, with a door in his Piet, gave my wife a ride. She wa
s able to get in without problem with the door but would be prevented from
flying in the Piet without it.
I weighed all the parts as I built the door for my Piet, I did not rout out
the excess wood as the door plans show, and it still added just a few ounc
es less than 11 pounds. As I am building with a Corvair I think that is a f
air trade for being able to take my wife for rides.
Jim
Wait until you too are in your 60's or 70's and not so limber; you'll appre
ciate your door more then.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil" <hopkinsp2(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:35:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: To Door or not to Door
I'm still gathering info for my decision. =C2-One of the few concerns I h
ave is access to the front cockpit. =C2-I see that very few Piets seem to
have built some kind of door, or at least a lower coaming for the front co
ckpit. =C2-Are there reasons for this of which I'm sorely ignorant? =C2
-It seems that either a small door, or even just a lowered side on one si
de, would ease entry and exit. =C2-Does anyone have a door? =C2-Does it
help or not that much?
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | To Door or not to Door |
Another issue with gravitationally challenged passengers is that they
tend to spill over the narrow front seat a bit and prevent full
rudder pedal motion (in my plane, anyway). Made for an interesting
crosswind roll-out one time...
Not that that has much to do with a door.
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks for the replies. Sounds like a growing contingent of Piets out on the west
coast. I may try snooping around with online phone books to see if I can
get in touch with Rex in Klamath Falls.
As to my A75, it does not have chromed cylinders... the bores were in good shape
and only needed dressing after reconditioning. It pulls stronger than my A65,
doesn't leak or burn oil, has GREAT oil pressure, and seems to be settling
in after overhaul (still only about 30 hrs. on it). This one has the flanged
hub for the prop; the 65 had a tapered hub.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| Subject: | Re: To Door or not to Door |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Ryan; I'm interested in your comment about hauling 1200 lbs.- obviously you're
running a higher gross weight than 41CC, which Corky registered as 1088 lbs. so
that's what I have on all my paperwork. That's 102 lbs. difference; quite a
bit.
I have flown my airplane at gross with the A65 on a hot day and it was OK but no
great shakes.
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Question for you guys who have had the pleasure of
flying not only your Piet, but perhaps several others:
what kinds of differences do you note between the
different Piets you've flown? I ask the question
because I saw Mike Cuy flying a "foreign" airplane
with passenger and am curious to know how these
planes might vary in handling.
I'm certain that the airplane and propeller combo
make a big difference, but what about just the
flying and handling characteristics?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: To Door or not to Door |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
It would seem the gross weight is a nebulous figure from aircraft to
aircraft. You have A-65 powered Piets placarded in the mid 1000s, and then
you have Corvair powered Piets in the mid 1200s. The Last Original, with the
lower powered Pietenpol engine conversion (70hp according to the data
plate), is placarded at 1282.....
Ryan
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:53 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Ryan; I'm interested in your comment about hauling 1200 lbs.- obviously
> you're running a higher gross weight than 41CC, which Corky registered as
> 1088 lbs. so that's what I have on all my paperwork. That's 102 lbs.
> difference; quite a bit.
>
> I have flown my airplane at gross with the A65 on a hot day and it was OK
> but no great shakes.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> Air Camper NX41CC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306591#306591
>
>
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: To Door or not to Door |
Hi Ryan, et al;
The differing gross weights make sense considering the empty weights vary g
reatly. Mike Cuy I think said his empty weight was 632lbs while Dick Navrat
il's new Piet with the radial is 810lbs. Put two 200lb people in each one a
nd you have 1032lbs and 1210lbs respectively. some Piets have longer center
sections for more fuel but also benefit from more wing area.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:31:34 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Door or not to Door
It would seem the gross weight is a nebulous figure from aircraft to aircra
ft. You have A-65 powered Piets placarded in the mid 1000s, and then you ha
ve Corvair powered Piets in the mid 1200s. The Last Original, with the lowe
r powered Pietenpol engine conversion (70hp according to the data plate), i
s placarded at 1282.....
Ryan
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:53 PM, taildrags < taildrags(at)hotmail.com > wrote
:
Ryan; I'm interested in your comment about hauling 1200 lbs.- obviously you
're running a higher gross weight than 41CC, which Corky registered as 1088
lbs. so that's what I have on all my paperwork. =C2-That's 102 lbs. diff
erence; quite a bit.
I have flown my airplane at gross with the A65 on a hot day and it was OK b
ut no great shakes.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Hi Oscar,
That's a good question and one that has not been discussed much that I know
of.
I have flown four Air Campers:
1. A GN-1 built by Mike Lucky back in 1975 (I thought it was a Pietenpol),
that he had just finished and asked me to help fly off some of the test time
on it. It had a Continental 65 and wire wheels and flew very well. It flew
almost exactly like the J-3 Cub that I owned at the time. Cruise was about
75 mph and climb was a spritely 350 fpm.
2. Mike Cuy's NX48MC. It had been a little over 25 years since I last flew
an Air Camper so I didn't have much to compare it to. It flew very well,
but the main thing I remember was my tendency to land it about 3 feet off
the ground. Until he told me to come in a bit faster and not flare until I
was just above the ground, I was always dropping it in. Climb was OK with
one person on board, not so good with two.
3. My own Icarus Plummet (NX899JP). It flies very much like Mike Cuy's,
which should be expected since they both have wire wheels, straight axles
and Continental 65's. The biggest difference is that mine weighs 120 lbs
more than Mike's, and the climb rate is not as good. My deck angle is also
a bit higher than his (21" wheels versus his 19" wheels) and the result is
that mine is slightly more difficult to land. I usually wheel land mine
because it is very difficult to get 3 good 3-point landings in a row with
it. With me alone I can get about 400 fpm climb and the cruise is about 72.
With a 200 pounder in the front seat on a hot day, I get a good solid 100
fpm climb.
4. Ryan Mueller's N502R, which I ferried to Brodhead for him. This is the
best flying Pietenpol I have flown. It is not quite as light as Mike Cuy's
(645 lbs compared to Cuy's 632 lbs) but it has a Jay Anderson CloudCars prop
that gives it superlative performance. Like every other Pietenpol I've
flown, it has a Continental A65 for power. The big difference it had from
the others is that when I picked it up in Tennessee and flew it for the
first time I was appalled at the very heavy and un-responsive ailerons. I
looked out and realized they had no gap seals. Once I landed the very first
thing I did was to apply blue painter's tape to seal the gaps and the result
was astonishing - about double the roll rate and half the stick-force
required to move the ailerons. I had read about the benefits of sealing the
gaps, but had never flown one without gap seals. It is a HUGE difference.
With that prop it climbs very well with one person and not bad with two.
When Ryan and I left Brodhead Sunday we weighed 1165 lbs and climbed at
about 200 fpm. Cruise at 2150 RPM indicates 77 mph and I believe it to be
accurate. I had to throttle back for Randy Bush to keep up with his Corvair
powered Pietenpol.
I'd like to fly a Corvair powered Pietenpol and a Model A powered one, as
long as it is in the midwest where there are plenty of good fields for a
forced landing.
Hope this helps answer your question, Oscar. Perhaps some others with more
experience flying other Pietenpols, such as Lowell Frank, Andrew King or
Frank Pavliga will chime in as well.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: swapping rides
Question for you guys who have had the pleasure of
flying not only your Piet, but perhaps several others:
what kinds of differences do you note between the
different Piets you've flown? I ask the question
because I saw Mike Cuy flying a "foreign" airplane
with passenger and am curious to know how these
planes might vary in handling.
I'm certain that the airplane and propeller combo
make a big difference, but what about just the
flying and handling characteristics?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: To Door or not to Door |
| From: | "Phil" <hopkinsp2(at)gmail.com> |
This is a great list. Ask a question, get lots of help quickly!
I'm not worried about gravitationally challenged passengers. I'm about FAA normal,
and the passengers I'll be taking up regularly are all smaller than me.
But I am worried about less limber passengers. My wife, for instance, is one
of those. Smaller than me, but stiff. None of us are as young as we used to
be.
So, to rehearse, there's arguments for and against, and my options seem to be to
leave it alone, raise the wing (am I getting that right? with the suggestion
to add a couple of inches on to the cabanes? does raising the wing change weight
and balance or flying characteristics? ), or put in a door.
How about just adding a kind of door cut out without an actual door? I would still
have to beef up the structure there, as I'd be interrupting the top longeron,
but it seems that this is doable at small increase in weight. Is it just
too freaky for passengers to have a bit lower structure on one side of them?
It seems that at least for some, being able to get the legs in over a lower sill,
as it were, helps enough in mounting/dismounting for less limber passengers
to make a significant difference (the difference between going flying or just
not because it's too hard to get in).
It's interesting to see more people with doors than I thought there were.
I know of Keri Ann's plans. Vic, if you used a different plan, I'd sure appreciate
seeing it and any pics.
I am thinking Corvair, but if a nice A65 or, better, C75 were to fall into my lap,
I wouldn't kick her out.
Thanks again for all the info so far.
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: To Door or not to Door |
I responded to the question about a front door, and I am in favor of it. It also
makes it easier to work on the front pit to the firewall, Also when I saw
Kevins plane at Brodhead He had a door panel just behind the firewall to give
access to the rudder pedals. A very good idea and I am going to put one in.
Gardiner mason
________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, July 28, 2010 12:58:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: To Door or not to Door
As Jack has mentioned, keeping the weight down is important. Our Piet appears to
be built relatively close to the plans, and as such is a lighter airplane. It
performs quite nicely....heck, it was able to haul over 1200 lbs out of Brodhead
with an A-65 on a nice summer day. If I was to attempt to make it easier to get
into or out of, I would much rather raise the cabanes a couple of inches than
add all the weight that a front door would require. If you are going to use a
Corvair you could probably handle the extra weight better because of having more
power on tap, but I would still rather just keep the weight down and have an
even better performing airplane.
As Jack said, if you are too big to get in without a door then you are probably
too heavy to fly in a Piet anyhow. If you are just not limber enough to get in
the front with any amount of assistance, then a door is probably not going to
make the difference between getting in or not. You still have to climb up
inside, and negotiate struts, wires, the wing, etc....
Ryan
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
>Phil,
>
>You've gotten a few responses in favor of a door. Let me give some
>arguments against it, so you can judge for yourself.
>
>Pietenpols don't handle weight very well. A small addition in weight makes
>a big impact on performance. Adding a door requires cutting the main
>structural member of the fuselage and requires adding a substantial amount
>of structure to replace the lost strength and stiffness.
>
>There are very few lightweight passengers that would require a door. The
>ones that are heavy enough to have trouble climbing in without a door are
>likely too heavy to carry well. I use the lack of a door as a screen to
>prevent taking the most obese passengers, without having to tel them they
>are simply too heavy to fly.
>
>Just something to think about.
>
>"Simplicate and add Lightness"
>
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Raleigh, NC
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil
>Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:35 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: To Door or not to Door
>
>
>I'm still gathering info for my decision. One of the few concerns I have is
>access to the front cockpit. I see that very few Piets seem to have built
>some kind of door, or at least a lower coaming for the front cockpit. Are
>there reasons for this of which I'm sorely ignorant? It seems that either a
>small door, or even just a lowered side on one side, would ease entry and
>exit. Does anyone have a door? Does it help or not that much?
>
>
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>
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Got home all fired up and the engine mount is done, the firewall is done and
the engine is hanging on the mount!!
Brodhead or bust!! (not sure what year though...)
Douwe
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| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon |
Jim and the bunch,
There is also a Piet flying out of Petaluma. He's been over to
Schellville, but I haven't seen him yet.
Darrel
On 7/28/2010 8:21 AM, Jim Boyer wrote:
>
> Hello Oscar,
>
> There is a flying Piet in Chico, CA. Don't know the owners name but
> found out about it on this site couple of months ago.
>
> Also there is Irwin Furst somewhere in the Lincoln, CA (Sacramento
> area) with a flying Piet.
>
> Then there is the group of us starting with Chris Tracy, Carmichael,
> Gary Boothe, Cool, Michael Weaver, Lincoln, me in Santa Rosa, and Vic
> and Michael Groah, Tulare all building Piets. Vic and Michael are
> about ready for cover and Chris and Gary should also be close.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
> To: "Pietenpol List"
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:33:09 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon
>
>
> Anybody know of any Piets or builders in the northern
> California or southern Oregon area? I just noticed a
> note from Rex Ervin in Klamath Falls, Oregon in the
> latest BPA newsletter inquiring about this. I'd also
> like to know if anyone knows Rex and can maybe put me
> in contact with him? Thanks.
>
> PS, had one of the smoothest flights ever in
> my airplane the other morning. I rarely get to fly in
> the early morning and it was superb. It really lets
> you see where your airplane needs tweaking in trim...
> I think I need to add some more rudder trim to 41CC
> but had never really noticed it since most of my
> flying is in the bumpy afternoons. Not a hands-off
> airplane but I'll bet it could be pretty close to it
> if I took some time to work on refining it. Gosh,
> that will mean a lot more flying to get it figured out.
> Hard work, but somebody has to do it ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH...a |
log entry
Dan=2C beautiful=2C beautiful airplane (even if you did steal my paint sche
me)!!! I love the photo of "The Farting Bratmen"=2C it is a wonderful meme
nto=2C especially since I (ahem) don't have any photos of my own. (inside
jab=2C totally joking) I have to say that I had more fun at this fly-in th
an any I can remember. We laughed ourselves silly over the Hitler video=2C
we jumped in to help Kevin get back into the air within hours (well=2C he
could have)=2C we ate brats=2C we drank beer (just a little bit)=2C we end
ured the endless overnight thunderstorms=2C and we each wet ourselves a lit
tle bit at the howitzer shot at 4am on saturday! I will never forget a sec
ond of any of it!! I cannot wait until next year=2C and I am heading out t
he first thing in the morning to get to work to make sure there is another
black and yellow german at Brodhead next year.
Thank you all for the memories=2C my friends=2C more to come . . . .
Gene Rambo
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH.
..a log entry
Date: Tue=2C 27 Jul 2010 20:41:48 -0400
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Hello all you good people=2C
I finally was able to catch my breath after returning from Brodhead=2C to d
o a little writing.
Got up early on Friday. Kept checking the weather radar every 15 minutes...
............watching that stationary front=2C was agonizing. Had to wait ti
ll 12 noon on Friday to depart=2C since my home-made prop could not tolerat
e one drop of rain. At 12:15=2C was finally able to start-er up=2C and taxi
out to runway. As I took-off=2C and ventured away from the Poplar Grove Ai
rport perimeter=2C I got a lump in my throat and a knot in my stomach. I sa
id to myself..."now I know how Charles Lindbergh felt when he left the secu
rity of the land beneath him (Nova Scotia)=2C and ventured out over the Atl
antic"..............there was no turning back now.................... very
nervous along the way.... kept checking the oil pressure=2C water temp.=2C
and picking out emergency landing fields on the ground along the way.......
..over and over and over again............ took comfort in the repetitive r
eport=2C from the sound of my Ford model A ............. ........"pockita-
pockita-pockita-pockita".....Finally was able to settle down=2C look down
=2C and appreciate God's creation....How beautiful she is!!! WOW!!! .......
.was using my GPS to stay on course.....after about 35 minutes=2C got close
enough to spot the airfield at Brodhead.......turned off the GPS=2C and as
I approached closer=2C lowered the nose=2C increased airspeed=2C and came
roaring-in over the treetops to surprise the crowd!!!!........it was specta
cular.!!!! ... Made a tight right-hand turn=2C.... and then a left....... t
hen hard-over for a 45-degree- bank=2C 360 turn right over the crowd at low
level....... came-around.... and landed.....taxied -in and shut-er down ri
ght in front of the crowd......before I could remove my goggles and leather
helmet=2C I was getting an ovation......WOW!!!.......ten years of building
finally paid-off!!!
Thanks to all for the support and encouragement along the way=2C from every
body on this list. I don't know about you all=2C but I am addicted to this
list=2C and I consider you all among my good friends=2C even though I have
never met many of you. This list and it's people is what kept me going thro
ugh the years=2C when I was stuck or discouraged. Those few days when nobod
y wrote in were very depressing for me. So keep writing.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove=2C IL.
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| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
I got home all fired up to get back on my Piet build too, only to realize that
my garage needs a very thorough cleaning and re-organizing before I can do anything.
Seems that in the year since I've last worked on it, I have totally cluttered
up my workspace with much extraneous stuff. I can't even see the top
of my table saw. :( And since I'm leaving Friday for two weeks, I don't think
that the garage will get cleaned until I return. I did study my blueprints tonight
and did a quick inventory of wood on hand though. I guess that's better
than not doing anything... And now I am about to watch Dan Helsper's excellent
prop carving CD presentation again while the wife works on her nursing homework.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tailfeathers almost done
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| From: | John Fay <jfay1950(at)gmail.com> |
Dan,
Is it still possible to get your CD about carving a prop?
Your prop looked good in pictures, but seeing it right there in front of my
eyes was a truly moving experience.
John Fay in Peoria
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi John,
Thank you for the compliment on my prop. Yes, you can get the prop-carving
CD from me. Send me $25 to PO Box 454, Belvidere, IL. and it will go out
post paid. Also now available at Aircraftspruce.com, but it will cost mor
e.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Fay <jfay1950(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Jul 28, 2010 10:36 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dan's Prop
Dan,
Is it still possible to get your CD about carving a prop?
Your prop looked good in pictures, but seeing it right there in front of
my eyes was a truly moving experience.
John Fay in Peoria
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The full address (with the zip code) is Dan Helsper, PO Box 454, Belvidere
, IL. 61008. :O)
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From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Thu, Jul 29, 2010 6:18 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dan's Prop
Hi John,
Thank you for the compliment on my prop. Yes, you can get the prop-carving
CD from me. Send me $25 to PO Box 454, Belvidere, IL. and it will go out
post paid. Also now available at Aircraftspruce.com, but it will cost mor
e.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Sent: Wed, Jul 28, 2010 10:36 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dan's Prop
Dan,
Is it still possible to get your CD about carving a prop?
Your prop looked good in pictures, but seeing it right there in front of
my eyes was a truly moving experience.
John Fay in Peoria
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| Subject: | Re: To Door or not to Door |
| From: | "Dale McCleskey" <dale.mccleskey(at)lifeway.com> |
To the whole door, weight, climb, load discussion. My GN-1 Piet has the door. It
weighs 705 empty and with a Sensenich 72X42 prop on my A-65 I was getting 250
fpm climb with a combined 410 lbs of pilot/passenger. About 430 lbs of load
is the most I've carried without feeling really marginal. With my current prop
though my cruise suffers. Coming back with Randy Bush I was making about 68 at
2250. I normally cruise 65 at about 2100.
--------
Dale McCleskey
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: To Door or not to Door |
I think the door will always be controversial. I just couldn't make
myself cut that upper longeron. My wife has had a spinal fusion and
multiple orthopedic problems, and can still get in the front seat with
no problem. I did make my cabanes 2 inches taller than the plans, and
put a cross brace 2 inches down from the top of my split gear for her to
use as a step. We are both 55 now. I put a retractable step to make it
easier to get into the rear cockpit, but never use it. I have the long
fuselage, used Douglas Fir entirely, with an A-65. Empty weight came in
at 692, and I grossed it at 1200. I've flown it twice at full gross and
it still has a decent rate of climb. I agree with Jack, that the minor
acrobatics required to get in, can help you eliminate inappropriate
passengers. I have a maximum passenger limit of 200 pounds with full
fuel. How do you eyeball a female potential passenger to determine if
she is over that limit? I'm sure not going to ask!
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Home from Brodhead/Osh and headed to the airport for some Pietenpol therapy
On 7/28/2010 11:35 AM, Phil wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phil"
>
> I'm still gathering info for my decision. One of the few concerns I have is
access to the front cockpit. I see that very few Piets seem to have built some
kind of door, or at least a lower coaming for the front cockpit. Are there
reasons for this of which I'm sorely ignorant? It seems that either a small door,
or even just a lowered side on one side, would ease entry and exit. Does
anyone have a door? Does it help or not that much?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306563#306563
>
>
>
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
To all considering Dan's CD, or carving their own prop,
I saw Dan's prop last year at Brodhead '09 (sorry to have missed seeing his
plane this year), bought his CD and carved my prop last December. It took me
about 40 hours, but he lays it all out very nicely, even how to figure
pitch! Admittedly, I have not run my engine yet, but if this prop fails I
would not hesitate to carve another - it was very enjoyable. Mine is hickory
and is shaped similar to PF Beck's, for a CS Corvair:
Prop mounted 2.jpg
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 4:44 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dan's Prop
The full address (with the zip code) is Dan Helsper, PO Box 454, Belvidere,
IL. 61008. :O)
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Sent: Thu, Jul 29, 2010 6:18 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dan's Prop
Hi John,
Thank you for the compliment on my prop. Yes, you can get the prop-carving
CD from me. Send me $25 to PO Box 454, Belvidere, IL. and it will go out
post paid. Also now available at Aircraftspruce.com, but it will cost more.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Fay <jfay1950(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Jul 28, 2010 10:36 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dan's Prop
Dan,
Is it still possible to get your CD about carving a prop?
Your prop looked good in pictures, but seeing it right there in front of my
eyes was a truly moving experience.
John Fay in Peoria
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | contact info for cloud car props? |
Can someone provide contact info for cloud car props and Jay Anderson?
Thanks
Douwe
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Cloudcars just called me, disregard |
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: To Door or not to Door |
Hi Ben,
My wife has had 3 back surgeryies (sp) along with all the artificial joints
and she gets around fine; she walked all over Brodhead with me this year a
nd last year. We are both 72 so lost some flexibility in the 22 years diffe
rence. I like my door, hopefully my Piet will be at Brodhead next year and
you can see how easy it is to get in for us older less flexible types.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Charvet" <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 5:04:56 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: To Door or not to Door
I think the door will always be controversial. =C2-I just couldn't make
myself cut that upper longeron. =C2-My wife has had a spinal fusion and
multiple orthopedic problems, and can still get in the front seat with
no problem. =C2-I did make my cabanes 2 inches taller than the plans, and
put a cross brace 2 inches down from the top of my split gear for her to
use as a step. =C2-We are both 55 now. =C2-I put a retractable step to
make it
easier to get into the rear cockpit, but never use it. =C2-I have the lon
g
fuselage, used Douglas Fir entirely, with an A-65. =C2-Empty weight came
in
at 692, and I grossed it at 1200. =C2-I've flown it twice at full gross a
nd
it still has a decent rate of climb. =C2-I agree with Jack, that the mino
r
acrobatics required to get in, can help you eliminate inappropriate
passengers. =C2-I have a maximum passenger limit of 200 pounds with full
fuel. =C2-How do you eyeball a female potential passenger to determine if
she is over that limit? =C2-I'm sure not going to ask!
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Home from Brodhead/Osh and headed to the airport for some Pietenpol therapy
On 7/28/2010 11:35 AM, Phil wrote:
> --> =C2-Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Phil"
>
> I'm still gathering info for my decision. =C2-One of the few concerns I
have is access to the front cockpit. =C2-I see that very few Piets seem
to have built some kind of door, or at least a lower coaming for the front
cockpit. =C2-Are there reasons for this of which I'm sorely ignorant? =C2
-It seems that either a small door, or even just a lowered side on one si
de, would ease entry and exit. =C2-Does anyone have a door? =C2-Does it
help or not that much?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306563#306563
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| Subject: | Re: This is not the same event it was ten years ago |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I can't speak on how the event was 10 years ago, but I know this year was great...
once again, magical. There are a ton of new posts on the board, but I don't
have much time to read or write at the moment... I'm volunteering on the Warbird
flight line this week at OSH. This place is a whole different kind of amazing.
Our first time here and we are really blown away.
Thanks for your kind words John, and thanks to all you regulars for allowing us
into the fold and making us feel welcome. We are already looking forward to
next year.
Better get back to it... I'll catch up with you guys next week.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306697#306697
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: contact info for cloud car props? |
Douwe, how about catching me up to date on your rebuild? You can contact
Jay Anderson at 325-356-2810. Tell him Gene said hi. I was the first to
use his prop on a Piet and I can't tell you how good he was to work with.
When I was on your case about getting you to get to work on your plane,
after it was dinged up, I was called "cruel" by some. If they think I was
cruel to you then I guess I'm being REALLY cruel to my self by undergoing
some really bad Chemo. Now that's being CRUEL. But then you're going to
end up with a great, and safe plane to fly and I'm going to end beating the
cancer. Guess there is something to be said about having the balls to be
"cruel".
Still asking for all the prayers I can get
Gene in HOT Tennessee
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: contact info for cloud car props?
>
>
> Can someone provide contact info for cloud car props and Jay Anderson?
>
> Thanks
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: carb rebuilder? |
I was thinking about rebuilding mine , myself. Who was it had experience in
the MA3A carb? I figure if there are no internal settings and its just
cleaning and parts changing it should be simple. Anyone have a manual and
resource for the kits to do that?
John
In a message dated 7/20/2010 10:56:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg"
Hey,
I'm looking for a good shop to rebuild my Marvel carb from the 0200. Any
suggestions? Contact info would be appreciated too.
Thanks,
Douwe
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: carb rebuilder? |
John, Dad and I rebuilt his ma-3sp carb, and there ain't nuttin to it.- H
e bought the rebuild kit from Chief Aircraft I believe.- The mannuals are
a little pricey but I believe they had more than 1 model included in them.
- The only real setting I remember is setting the float height.- A prop
per size drill bit is all you need to set it, you are just using it like a
feeler gauge, or just use you feeler gauges.- If you have ever rebuilt a
marvel schebler tractor carborator it's about the same.- Also there are s
ome AD's on them, 1 for the 2 piece venturi, and one for the float.- If y
ou have the brass float and it is in good shape your golden.- The a.d. wa
s on the phenolic float, which got fuel soaked (absorbant) and sunk, thus f
looding the engine, and leaking fuel in the cowling.
-
-
Hope this helps
Shad
-=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: 4am Howitzer Shot? |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
I think the sky rumbled for 30 seconds after that strike. I was sure the next
sound I was going to hear was emergency vehicles arriving at the airport. The
headlines the next day would be "Mutiple deaths at Pietenpol fly-in!". All I
could think of was if the tent campers were okay.
--------
John
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306758#306758
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| Subject: | New pietenpol admirer! (off topic, kind of) |
| From: | "VanDy" <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
So thought that I would share, that we had our little girl on 7/22 at 1839, 7lbs
12ozs, and healthy as can be! And we had our first bonding experience involving
a Pietenpol! might look like shes taking a nap, but shes really just enjoying
the moment!!
(rebuild!)
tail feathers removed
wing ready for trailing edge
Corvair being removed soon.
--------
www.vansavition.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306767#306767
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too... |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Jim!
Sorry I missed this post a few days ago!
Contact me off line when you can. I think there might be a couple of
holes missing for the rear support (R12a and b) struts. Not hard to
drill yourself, but I am not sure if they are missing on yours or not.
I've got one rib built, and starting back up again soon. With all the
summer distractions, I've gotten behind!
Glad to hear from ya! It was great to meet you and your family when
you came through. What a great sport this one where we can eventually
meet some of the folks we swap ideas with over the forum!
Mark
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 2:58 PM, flea wrote:
>
> Hey Mark, that jig is still looking good in my garage. I haven't built one yet
but it's fast becoming time.
>
> Again thanks for the jig it looks great.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306117#306117
>
>
--
Mark Roberts
California Laser Etch
www.california-laser.com
888-882-5015
888-882-5016 fax
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| Subject: | Re: (CS)=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=B2?= t-shirts |
| From: | "VanDy" <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
i Will take at least 3!
tail feathers removed
wing ready for trainling edge
corvair ready to be removed
metal fittings waiting to be blasted and powder coated
--------
www.vansavition.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306778#306778
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| From: | "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 4am Howitzer Shot? |
I wasn't there, but I heard that the lightning strike hit Purtee's landing
gear attachment...
Mike Whaley
MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: 4am Howitzer Shot? |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
That would explain a lot.
--------
John
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306786#306786
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| Subject: | Re: New pietenpol admirer! (off topic, kind of) |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net> |
Very much on topic in my opinion. Children are all precious and potential Piet
builders and flyers. Keep on a keeping on with the rebuild.
Jerry
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306787#306787
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | need help finding some Brodhead guys |
Trying to figure out the right prop for an 0200 piet is turning out to be a
bit tricky. There are only a few around and each one has a different prop
and all the "experts" completely disagree.
I noticed one of the "Brodhead gang" owns a red Hatz with cream wings which
is 0200 powered and I thought his prop experience may prove helpful.
However, I don't know his name, but I've seen him there every time I've
visited.
He pals around with Ted Davis, is about 5'9" with a moustache and was one of
the guys behind the Barnstorming movie.
Does anyone know who I'm talking about who could help me with a name or a
way to find him? OR, does anyone have a number for Ted Davis? He's
certainly know.
Thanks!
Douwe
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | rebuild progress report for Gene |
Hey Gene,
I just said a prayer for you! Sorry you have to go through this, I know how
tough it is having watched a bunch of friends do it recently. Sounds like
you know the Lord and are keeping an optimistic attitude, keep it up!! He's
got a plan!!!
Don Emch has the wings and is pretty much ready to start covering, so they
should be done within a few months
Greg Cardinal rebuilt the tail surfaces and I just got those at Brodhead
(wouldn't charge me, just told me to "pay it forward")
Fixed some surprisingly minor damage to the fuselage, which is stripped and
installed an 0200. Just finished the mounts and firewall a couple of days
ago.
Making new wheels (my fourth set!.... don't ask...)
Will have a completely new "look" and color scheme as the new engine just
doesn't seem to work with that old 20/30's look I was going for with the old
one.
I agree with Jack when he says rebuilding his was one of the hardest things
he's done. It definitely is a slogging match now, and much of the fun has
been taken out of it. Brodhead helped a lot, and coming up with a new look
has interjected some novelty back into the project. Other than that it is a
daily fight to get my but out there and move it forward. However, I am
determined to get her done, hopefully by end of winter, unless this 0200
throws me some curves and turns out not to be as represented.
Stay tough bro!!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: need help finding some Brodhead guys |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Douwe,
Shorter gentleman (although not quite properly sized) with a moustache that
hangs with Ted and was involved in Barnstorming sounds like Jim Hammond. He
has a Hatz as well, so that's probably who you are thinking of. I'll forward
you his contact info I have from the MAAC directory offlist.
If for some reason that is not who you are thinking of I'll include Ted's
information so you could reach out to him. I'm also going to include Tim
Mickel's info, as he has the red O-200 powered Piet that was at Brodhead.
Good luck!
Ryan
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
>
> Trying to figure out the right prop for an 0200 piet is turning out to be a
> bit tricky. There are only a few around and each one has a different prop
> and all the "experts" completely disagree.
>
> I noticed one of the "Brodhead gang" owns a red Hatz with cream wings which
> is 0200 powered and I thought his prop experience may prove helpful.
> However, I don't know his name, but I've seen him there every time I've
> visited.
>
> He pals around with Ted Davis, is about 5'9" with a moustache and was one
> of
> the guys behind the Barnstorming movie.
>
> Does anyone know who I'm talking about who could help me with a name or a
> way to find him? OR, does anyone have a number for Ted Davis? He's
> certainly know.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Douwe
>
>
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: rebuild progress report for Gene |
>
>I agree with Jack when he says rebuilding his was one of the hardest things
>he's done. It definitely is a slogging match now, and much of the fun has
>been taken out of it. Brodhead helped a lot, and coming up with a new look
>has interjected some novelty back into the project. Other than that it is a
>daily fight to get my but out there and move it forward.
[Jim] Well I sure know THAT feeling! Think of it this way...this isn't YOU doing
something on your own...it's you being a part of a community of VERY special
people involved with something special. I know you realize this, but I also
know that feeling of working on something "alone, all by yourself" and then realizing
this ain't just you...
I suppose all this is obvious when you see how these people step up but I just
can't keep quiet about it....something special (on MANY levels!) is going on with
this Pietenpol crowd...what an honor to get to be a part of it.
Blessed in Pryor....jm
However, I am
>determined to get her done, hopefully by end of winter, unless this 0200
>throws me some curves and turns out not to be as represented.
>
>Stay tough bro!!
>
>Douwe
>
>
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: rebuild progress report for Gene |
Douwe,
Sensenich has a list of props for different engines on their web site:
http://www.sensenich.com/products/browse/14
Univair publishes an incredibly low resolution (read as: piss-poor) pdf
parts manual which lists many aircraft/engine/prop combinations.
http://univairparts.com/pdfs/propeller.pdf
If all that fails, you could just call Sensenich or McCauley sales and
ask them what prop dia and pitch they recommend.
Cheers,
Dan
On 07/30/2010 06:57 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg"
>
> Hey Gene,
>
> I just said a prayer for you! Sorry you have to go through this, I know how
> tough it is having watched a bunch of friends do it recently. Sounds like
> you know the Lord and are keeping an optimistic attitude, keep it up!! He's
> got a plan!!!
>
> Don Emch has the wings and is pretty much ready to start covering, so they
> should be done within a few months
>
> Greg Cardinal rebuilt the tail surfaces and I just got those at Brodhead
> (wouldn't charge me, just told me to "pay it forward")
>
> Fixed some surprisingly minor damage to the fuselage, which is stripped and
> installed an 0200. Just finished the mounts and firewall a couple of days
> ago.
>
> Making new wheels (my fourth set!.... don't ask...)
>
> Will have a completely new "look" and color scheme as the new engine just
> doesn't seem to work with that old 20/30's look I was going for with the old
> one.
>
> I agree with Jack when he says rebuilding his was one of the hardest things
> he's done. It definitely is a slogging match now, and much of the fun has
> been taken out of it. Brodhead helped a lot, and coming up with a new look
> has interjected some novelty back into the project. Other than that it is a
> daily fight to get my but out there and move it forward. However, I am
> determined to get her done, hopefully by end of winter, unless this 0200
> throws me some curves and turns out not to be as represented.
>
> Stay tough bro!!
>
> Douwe
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: need help finding some Brodhead guys |
That may be Jim Hammon. I can ask around and see if I can get a phone
number for him.
Darrel Jones
Pfeifer Sport
On 7/30/2010 4:33 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg"
>
> Trying to figure out the right prop for an 0200 piet is turning out to be a
> bit tricky. There are only a few around and each one has a different prop
> and all the "experts" completely disagree.
>
> I noticed one of the "Brodhead gang" owns a red Hatz with cream wings which
> is 0200 powered and I thought his prop experience may prove helpful.
> However, I don't know his name, but I've seen him there every time I've
> visited.
>
> He pals around with Ted Davis, is about 5'9" with a moustache and was one of
> the guys behind the Barnstorming movie.
>
> Does anyone know who I'm talking about who could help me with a name or a
> way to find him? OR, does anyone have a number for Ted Davis? He's
> certainly know.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New pietenpol admirer! (off topic, kind of) |
What sounded like her crying was really just her quoting relevant advice
from this list, in baby-speak.
Congratulations!
Mike Whaley
MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "VanDy" <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:38 PM
Subject: [piet] Pietenpol-List: New pietenpol admirer! (off topic, kind of)
>
> So thought that I would share, that we had our little girl on 7/22 at
1839, 7lbs 12ozs, and healthy as can be! And we had our first bonding
experience involving a Pietenpol! might look like shes taking a nap, but
shes really just enjoying the moment!!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: To Door or not to Door |
| From: | "womenfly2" <keriannprice(at)hotmail.com> |
My door design .........
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey,
What is the lightest battery I can use to start my 0200. I won't be running
anything except maybe a smoke pump and a couple of cigarette sockets for gps
etc.
Just need it for starting.
Thoughts?
Douwe
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
We've had very good luck with this one:
http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc625.htm
We use it on a C-85 w/o charging system. We run a gps, electronic
tach, and starter. We charge with a 5W 12x12 solar panel.
>Hey,
>
>What is the lightest battery I can use to start my 0200. I won't be
>running anything except maybe a smoke pump and a couple of cigarette
>sockets for gps etc.
>
>Just need it for starting.
>
>Thoughts?
>
>Douwe
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
I believe the WW 'Vair guys commonly use the PC680 from Odyssey:
http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc680series.htm
<http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc680series.htm>A little taller and
wider, but a bit thinner for FW mounting if so desired. A bit more powerful
than the 625.
Either way, the Odyssey batteries seem to be favorites in the Corvair camp.
Ryan
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote:
> We've had very good luck with this one:
>
> http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc625.htm
>
> We use it on a C-85 w/o charging system. We run a gps, electronic tach, and
> starter. We charge with a 5W 12x12 solar panel.
>
>
> Hey,
>
>
> What is the lightest battery I can use to start my 0200. I won't be
> running anything except maybe a smoke pump and a couple of cigarette sockets
> for gps etc.
>
>
> Just need it for starting.
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> Douwe
>
>
> *
> *
>
> --
>
>
> Jeff Boatright
> "Now let's think about this..."
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
But mine goes to 11! >:-}
>I believe the WW 'Vair guys commonly use the PC680 from Odyssey:
>
><http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc680series.htm>http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc680series.htm
>
><http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc680series.htm>A little
>taller and wider, but a bit thinner for FW mounting if so desired. A
>bit more powerful than the 625.
>
>Either way, the Odyssey batteries seem to be favorites in the Corvair camp.
>
>Ryan
>
>On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Jeff Boatright
><jboatri(at)emory.edu> wrote:
>
>We've had very good luck with this one:
>
><http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc625.htm>http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc625.htm
>
>We use it on a C-85 w/o charging system. We run a gps, electronic
>tach, and starter. We charge with a 5W 12x12 solar panel.
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
jEFF, i like my odyssey 680
for my corvair. Do you leave your plane out in the sun for solar panel
charging? I have a solar panel that I used on my boat years ago and It worked
fine in the sun. Gardiner
________________________________
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 2:55:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: battery
Re: Pietenpol-List: battery
But mine goes to 11! >:-}
I believe the WW 'Vair guys commonly use the PC680 from Odyssey:
>
http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc680series.htm
>
A little taller and wider, but a bit thinner for FW mounting if so desired. A
bit more powerful than the 625.
>
Either way, the Odyssey batteries seem to be favorites in the Corvair camp.
>
Ryan
>
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote:
>
>We've had very good luck with this one:
>
http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc625.htm
>
We use it on a C-85 w/o charging system. We run a gps, electronic tach, and
starter. We charge with a 5W 12x12 solar panel.
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
I don't know if you have an old starter like the ancient Delco I had on my old
Lycoming in the Tri-pacer but the large aircraft battery barely turned it over.
now I have a gear reduction type Japanese starter rigged on the Corvair engine
and a little 20 Amp gel cell sealed battery ( which is several years old) turns
it over fine.I know that doesn't answer you question except for the fact
that there are geared starters out there to replace the old heavy aircraft starters
that definitely take a lot less juice.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306880#306880
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| Subject: | Trying to come up with a color scheme |
| From: | John Fay <jfay1950(at)gmail.com> |
List:
Is there an internet source available for the Piet where you can take an
outline of the plane and fill in the colors to see what the plane would look
like with various color schemes?
John Fay
in Peoria
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | project progress update |
I don't post very often, as I like to sit back and just soak up the information
from everyone else,
but I told Gary Boothe I'd send him a pic or two updating the progress on my
cowl and I figured
I'd let everyone else see too. All of the firewall forward stuff really eats a
lot of time and seems like
it doesn't show. Friends drop by hearing that we have been working on the plane
and I'm sure they
can't see any progress. We do although, have the engine just about ready to
run, as soon as I get the
carb rebuilt and the air filter mounted. The cowl is getting closer, but there
is still a bunch to do there
as well. My dad (Vic) and I are still plugging away at it out here in
California, and may actually finish
it one of these days! Anyways, I'm gonna go grab my wife and daughter and go
enjoy the morning air
flying the Piper. Keep building!
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Trying to come up with a color scheme |
John,
This is REALLY low tech, but you can save this jpg, then right click and
choose open with "Paint." You should have that program with most Microsoft
operating systems. That'll keep you busy for the rest of the day..
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fay
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trying to come up with a color scheme
List:
Is there an internet source available for the Piet where you can take an
outline of the plane and fill in the colors to see what the plane would look
like with various color schemes?
John Fay
in Peoria
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| Subject: | Re: project progress update |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Wow...looking good Mike. With all due respect to other Corvair Piet
builders, that is quite possibly the most attractive Corvair cowling on a
Piet that I've seen yet. I take it you are either setup with a rear starter
or hand prop...?
Ryan
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Michael Groah wrote:
> I don't post very often, as I like to sit back and just soak up the information
from everyone else,
> but I told Gary Boothe I'd send him a pic or two updating the progress on my
cowl and I figured
> I'd let everyone else see too. All of the firewall forward stuff really eats
a lot of time and seems like
> it doesn't show. Friends drop by hearing that we have been working on the plane
and I'm sure they
> can't see any progress. We do although, have the engine just about ready to
run, as soon as I get the
> carb rebuilt and the air filter mounted. The
> cowl is getting closer, but there is still a bunch to do there
> as well. My dad (Vic) and I are still plugging away at it out here in California,
and may actually finish
> it one of these days! Anyways, I'm gonna go grab my wife and daughter and go
enjoy the morning air
> flying the Piper. Keep building!
>
> Mike Groah
> Tulare CA
>
>
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Trying to come up with a color scheme |
Try this
http://westcoastpiet.com/paint_piet_bmp_files.htm
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fay
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trying to come up with a color scheme
List:
Is there an internet source available for the Piet where you can take an
outline of the plane and fill in the colors to see what the plane would look
like with various color schemes?
John Fay
in Peoria
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | project progress update |
Very nice, Mike. For whatever reason, it seems to be difficult to make a
nice looking cowl on a Corvair, but you've managed to do it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 10:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: project progress update
I don't post very often, as I like to sit back and just soak up the
information from everyone else,
but I told Gary Boothe I'd send him a pic or two updating the progress on my
cowl and I figured
I'd let everyone else see too. All of the firewall forward stuff really
eats a lot of time and seems like
it doesn't show. Friends drop by hearing that we have been working on the
plane and I'm sure they
can't see any progress. We do although, have the engine just about ready to
run, as soon as I get the
carb rebuilt and the air filter mounted. The
cowl is getting closer, but there is still a bunch to do there
as well. My dad (Vic) and I are still plugging away at it out here in
California, and may actually finish
it one of these days! Anyways, I'm gonna go grab my wife and daughter and
go enjoy the morning air
flying the Piper. Keep building!
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: project progress update |
Hi Mike,
Your cowling is looking good. Making it out of aluminium has got to be a real challenge;
you and your dad Vic are doing a nice job of it.
Now if you just had a 200 ton hydropress for the small stuff. We had one at the
Boeing plant I worked at and boy would that have made cowling and steel fitting
easy. Thats what my nightmares are made of.
Cheers,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Groah" <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:28:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: project progress update
I don't post very often, as I like to sit back and just soak up the information
from everyone else,
but I told Gary Boothe I'd send him a pic or two updating the progress on my cowl
and I figured
I'd let everyone else see too. All of the firewall forward stuff really eats a
lot of time and seems like
it doesn't show. Friends drop by hearing that we have been working on the plane
and I'm sure they
can't see any progress. We do although, have the engine just about ready to run,
as soon as I get the
carb rebuilt and the air filter mounted. The
cowl is getting closer, but there is still a bunch to do there
as well. My dad (Vic) and I are still plugging away at it out here in California,
and may actually finish
it one of these days! Anyways, I'm gonna go grab my wife and daughter and go enjoy
the morning air
flying the Piper. Keep building!
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Trying to come up with a color scheme |
It may be low tech Gary; but thanks for doing it. This will be fun to play
with.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:34:35 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Trying to come up with a color scheme
John,
This is REALLY low tech, but you can save this jpg, then right click and ch
oose open with =9CPaint.=9D You should have that program with m
ost Microsoft operating systems. That=99ll keep you busy for the rest
of the day.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fay
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trying to come up with a color scheme
List:
Is there an internet source available for the Piet where you can take an ou
tline of the plane and fill in the colors to see what the plane would look
like with various color schemes?
John Fay
in Peoria =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List h
ttp://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2-
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Trying to come up with a color scheme |
Chris you must do these things in your spare time right? This Piet web site is
amazing; just ask and it usually turns right up. Especially at West Coast Piet.
Cheers,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:58:33 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Trying to come up with a color scheme
Try this
http://westcoastpiet.com/paint_piet_bmp_files.htm
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fay
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trying to come up with a color scheme
List:
Is there an internet source available for the Piet where you can take an outline
of the plane and fill in the colors to see what the plane would look like with
various color schemes?
John Fay
in Peoria
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| From: | "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trying to come up with a color scheme |
Here's the one I use. Should work fine in Paint or pretty much any program.
Simple but it seems to give a good idea of things. when I'm bored or get an
idea I'll spend a few minutes to make up a new color scheme, must have a
hundred ideas by now. I think the original came from DJ Vegh way back when.
-Mike
Mike Whaley
MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Fay" <jfay1950(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 8:53 AM
Subject: [piet] Pietenpol-List: Trying to come up with a color scheme
> List:
>
> Is there an internet source available for the Piet where you can take an
> outline of the plane and fill in the colors to see what the plane would
look
> like with various color schemes?
>
> John Fay
> in Peoria
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | project progress update |
Just a note=2C the starter is in the front in the normal Corviar position.
Unfortunatly no press=2C just hand formed. VG
Date: Sat=2C 31 Jul 2010 16:03:42 +0000
From: boyerjrb(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update
Hi Mike=2C
Your cowling is looking good. Making it out of aluminium has got to be a re
al challenge=3B you and your dad Vic are doing a nice job of it.
Now if you just had a 200 ton hydropress for the small stuff. We had one at
the Boeing plant I worked at and boy would that have made cowling and stee
l fitting easy. Thats what my nightmares are made of.
Cheers=2C
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Groah" <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday=2C July 31=2C 2010 7:28:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: project progress update
I don't post very often=2C as I like to sit back and just soak up the info
rmation from everyone else=2C
but I told Gary Boothe I'd send him a pic or two updating the progress on m
y cowl and I figured
I'd let everyone else see too. All of the firewall forward stuff really ea
ts a lot of time and seems like
it doesn't show. Friends drop by hearing that we have been working on the
plane and I'm sure they
can't see any progress. We do although=2C have the engine just about ready
to run=2C as soon as I get the
carb rebuilt and the air filter mounted. The
cowl is getting closer=2C but there is still a bunch to do there
as well. My dad (Vic) and I are still plugging away at it out here in Cali
fornia=2C and may actually finish
it one of these days! Anyways=2C I'm gonna go grab my wife and daughter an
d go enjoy the morning air
flying the Piper. Keep building!
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: project progress update |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Wow, that is surprising. It sure doesn't look like there is room for the
ring gear in there. Any other pics would be greatly appreciated. Are you
driving the dynamo/alternator off the rear?
Thanks Vic,
Ryan
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 4:07 PM, V Groah wrote:
> Just a note, the starter is in the front in the normal Corviar position.
> Unfortunatly no press, just hand formed. VG
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:03:42 +0000
> From: boyerjrb(at)comcast.net
>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update
>
>
> Hi Mike,
> Your cowling is looking good. Making it out of aluminium has got to be a
> real challenge; you and your dad Vic are doing a nice job of it.
> Now if you just had a 200 ton hydropress for the small stuff. We had one at
> the Boeing plant I worked at and boy would that have made cowling and steel
> fitting easy. Thats what my nightmares are made of.
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Groah" <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:28:32 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: project progress update
>
>
> I don't post very often, as I like to sit back and just soak up the information
from everyone else,
> but I told Gary Boothe I'd send him a pic or two updating the progress on my
cowl and I figured
> I'd let everyone else see too. All of the firewall forward stuff really eats
a lot of time and seems like
> it doesn't show. Friends drop by hearing that we have been working on the plane
and I'm sure they
> can't see any progress. We do although, have the engine just about ready to
run, as soon as I get the
> carb rebuilt and the air filter mounted. The
> cowl is getting closer, but there is still a bunch to do there
> as well. My dad (Vic) and I are still plugging away at it out here in California,
and may actually finish
> it one of these days! Anyways, I'm gonna go grab my wife and daughter and go
enjoy the morning air
> flying the Piper. Keep building!
>
> Mike Groah
> Tulare CA
>
>
> *
>
> st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> ttp://forums.matronics.com
> =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trying to come up with a color scheme |
| From: | John Fay <jfay1950(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks all for the info. I'm going to try them this evening.
John Fay
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 7:53 AM, John Fay wrote:
> List:
>
> Is there an internet source available for the Piet where you can take an
> outline of the plane and fill in the colors to see what the plane would look
> like with various color schemes?
>
> John Fay
> in Peoria
>
> **
>
>
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