Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-jn
August 18, 2010 - August 29, 2010
fuel
tank, avionics, lights, engine, etc.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Grounding Aircraft |
Morning Jack,
At the very least, the gas filler neck should be grounded to the engine.
Since your tank is metal, you can attach a lead anywhere to the tank,
say, the mounting strap.
I can't contribute to advice on what else to ground with regard to
electronics.
Dan
On 08/18/2010 06:32 AM, Jack wrote:
> Would like to hear thoughts on grounding the various parts on a Piet,
> fuel tank, avionics, lights, engine, etc.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Attached is an image I took last night of a spark plug hole in my corvair engine.
It is oversized by 1/16 of an inch from the others. Can you tell by the threads
if a helicoil was once inserted in here and can I use a time sert in this
hole?
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
You may want to direct those questions to Corvair List. Several knowledgable contributors
there.
Gary Boothe
------Original Message------
From: Kringle
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine!
Sent: Aug 18, 2010 7:17 AM
Attached is an image I took last night of a spark plug hole in my corvair engine.
It is oversized by 1/16 of an inch from the others. Can you tell by the threads
if a helicoil was once inserted in here and can I use a time sert in this
hole?
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
It appears that list is dead.
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Not true. I get emails everyday. Sorry, but don't have the link on my B-berry.
But I know I can count on Ryan Mueller, or someone else, to jump in here...
Gary
------Original Message------
From: Kringle
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine!
Sent: Aug 18, 2010 7:33 AM
It appears that list is dead.
--------
John
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| From: | "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
John,
Sure you have the correct one? Try
http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html or
http://mylist.net/listinfo/corvaircraft
Cheers
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2010 10:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine!
It appears that list is dead.
--------
John
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | remote mounting 0200 air box |
Hey guys,
As I'm building my new cowling, I'm finding the air intake really messing up
the bottom "lines". I got to thinking, "why can't I just relocate it and
mount it remotely"?. As long as the scat tubing from the box to the carb
isn't too long to cool the heated air when I use the carb heat, I can't see
any downside.
Thoughts?
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding Aircraft |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Bernie never mentioned anything about grounding, It is an excellent idea we elders
never considered.
Pieti Lowell
PS. Never had a fire since 1941, Just Lucky
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
I tried the Matronics Corvair Engine List
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
As Gary and Peter mentioned, Mark Langford's CorvAircraft mailing list is
the best active source for Corvair discussion out there. As provided by
Peter, the link for information on the list is at:
http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html
Sign up is at:
http://mylist.net/listinfo/corvaircraft
<http://mylist.net/listinfo/corvaircraft>The CorvAircraft does not have a
web-based forum you can use to access it like the Pietenpol emailing list
does; it is strictly an email list. You can either receive all the messages
in real time, or you can receive one "lump sum" digest at the end of the
day. Personally, I prefer to receive the messages in real-time. I setup a
folder for CorvAircraft messages in Gmail, and then a simple filter to
redirect the incoming messages from the list to that folder; same with the
Piet list.
As I mentioned, Mark Langford runs the list. If you haven't seen his site, I
would suggest giving it a look. Nothing about Pietenpols, but lots of
information about the Corvair:
http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/index.html
<http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/index.html>The CorvAircraft list is also
the only list that William Wynne spends any amount of time on. He doesn't
post that frequently right now, but over the years he has made many an
educational post on the list. The list is rather quiet right now for
whatever reason, but it is still active. Like the Piet list, the
CorvAircraft list has been around for a good number of years, and a
tremendous amount of information has already been discussed ad-nauseum. I
would highly recommend spending some quality time searching the CorvAircraft
archives at:
http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/frame/index.jsp
You can generally count posts by the following individuals as reliable
information: William Wynne, Mark Langford, Roy Szarafinski, or Dan Weseman
to name a few. They have established themselves as knowledgable individuals
in the Corvair community. There are plenty of other list members that also
provide good information (many from the Piet list: Gary, Oscar,
Peter)....just trying to give a starting point if you don't know who anyone
is.
Hope that helps,
Ryan
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Kringle wrote:
>
> I tried the Matronics Corvair Engine List
>
> --------
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309265#309265
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | remote mounting 0200 air box |
Douwe,
You can just let some of the airbox sit outside the cowling. It doesn't
seem to mess up the lines too much. It looks terrible when the cowling is
unpainted, but tends to disappear once the plane is finished.
Look at what mine looked like before and after paint:
Perhaps it helps to paint the cowling a dark color, but I find the airbox
hanging down just doesn't draw the eye to it. If you look closely, you can
see that the base of the carburetor (where the airbox attaches) is below the
line of the cowling, so even if you moved the airbox, you would still have
the SCAT hose showing there, and in the picture above, the SCAT hose is much
more distracting to the eye than the whole airbox.
Of course, mine is an A65 and I believe you are using an O-200, but I don't
think they are much different in this regard.
I think adding a length of SCAT hose between the air filter and the
carburetor would add an unnecessary restriction to the engine airflow, and
reduce power.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: remote mounting 0200 air box
Hey guys,
As I'm building my new cowling, I'm finding the air intake really messing up
the bottom "lines". I got to thinking, "why can't I just relocate it and
mount it remotely"?. As long as the scat tubing from the box to the carb
isn't too long to cool the heated air when I use the carb heat, I can't see
any downside.
Thoughts?
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
Here's your link: corvaircraft-join(at)mylist.net. That should get you started.
It's a fairly active list!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 5:49 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine!
I tried the Matronics Corvair Engine List
--------
John
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| From: | Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
| Subject: | Carb heat from Continental Cylinder heads? |
Has anyone done this and what were your results? My engine is an
A-75. I know DC-65/L2 Taylorcrafts take carb heat from the heads
instead of the exhaust, and probably a lot of other planes do the
same. I made new exhaust for my plane, and would prefer not to put
the carb heat on the shiny new pipes if possible. Taking the carb
heat off the back of the eyebrows seems like it would be a much
cleaner installation, assuming I can get the appropriate RPM drop by
applying carb heat. Is there anything else to consider?
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
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| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Nice Ohio flying weather |
Please knock off the political comments. When those of us with more
liberal leanings have been so rash as to expressed our opinions we've
been flamed, ridiculed, sent threatening messages off list, etc. I'm
tired of it & it violates the basic operating agreements of this list.
Thank you,
Kip
On Aug 17, 2010, at 10:43 PM, Dennis Vetter wrote:
>
>
> Don't blame me. I voted for the old guy and the hot chic.
> [Wink] Rant and rave all you want, while you still can! Just
> think of the carbon foot print of this administration. You will not
> hear about that in the media. I'm new to this site. But not in the
> pietenpol world. Back to the weather, what a change from a week
> ago. Hope we get some good flying weather from here on out.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309221#309221
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Carb heat from Continental Cylinder heads? |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
The T-carts that have that carb heat setup....are those on aircraft with
pressure cowlings, or just eyebrows over the cylinders?
I would be curious to see how much warmer the air would be if you took the
air from the eyebrows, as I would think that would be mainly cool "ram air"
coming in from the front of the eyebrows. If you could take the air from
below the cylinders (after it has passed through the fins) that would
certainly be warmer, but that would be a tricker bit of baffling to
accomplish, and it's quite possible that would have an affect on the cooling
air flow through the cylinders....
Do you have any pictures of the Taylorcraft setup refer to?
Ryan
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Steve Ruse wrote:
> >
>
> Has anyone done this and what were your results? My engine is an A-75. I
> know DC-65/L2 Taylorcrafts take carb heat from the heads instead of the
> exhaust, and probably a lot of other planes do the same. I made new exhaust
> for my plane, and would prefer not to put the carb heat on the shiny new
> pipes if possible. Taking the carb heat off the back of the eyebrows seems
> like it would be a much cleaner installation, assuming I can get the
> appropriate RPM drop by applying carb heat. Is there anything else to
> consider?
>
> Steve Ruse
> Norman, OK
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nice Ohio flying weather |
| From: | "AlRice" <Allen(at)allenrice.net> |
Totally agree.
--------
Al Rice
Skybolt 260
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
John, if you can get the dimensions of that hole (diameter to the bot of th
e threads)- you might be able to look up the size of available time sert
bushings on their web site.- it's already broke, so I don't think you can
do any damage trying.- If worse comes to worse it is still going to need
to be welded shut and re drilled.- I would NOT use another helicoil for
that repair.- We had one that was repaired prior to Dad getting the engin
e, it apparently was incorect, and long story short detonate, loose power,
crankshaft broke, butt tightens up, and airplane gets a trailer ride home.
- If I can help, or provide any useful info I will try.- I did all the
time serts on dads engine (on 1 side)-last year (due to a stripped out sp
arkplug hole).- And one last thing, install the timeserts with the heads
off (maby this is obvious, but none the less)
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
Mark,
-
For what it's worth.....KUDO'S!! I say this is an excellent idea and suppor
t your efforts. The fittings kit would be fantastic right along with the re
st of your ideas!. For the purest, you can-build the entire plane to your
liking. For people like myself who love to fly, I could use specific parts
and pieces to advance the build time. I would rather fly and buy some thin
gs to speed up build process!
-
As you may know, I make the cowlings for the corvair piet using-a pattern
from the-orginal Pietenpol (thank you "Fireman Dan" in Mpls). I cover my
expenses and sell them to the group with a very small margin of profit. Th
is is a hobby to me and not a business... so I see no real income from this
(production runs vary widely). That's not to say for you this could not be
a business, just explaining my position on my costs: makes it more feasabl
e for others who just want a great bank for the buck and give back to the m
embers.
-
So, you have my vote for continuing with your ideas! Please keep the list i
nformed. Have plently of photos to share of final products so we can see wh
at we are purchasing. The members of this-list can provide input for impr
oved changes to some of these parts and pieces; please utilize them as they
have "been their and done that!"
-
Again..... Kudo's! I want to build and enjoy the journey... but not over th
ree years!
-
KM Heide
Hawley, MN
-
--- On Wed, 8/18/10, Mark Roberts wrote:
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 12:10 AM
Hey Guys,-Regarding wood kits:
My business partner and I took a business trip last week to LA for a confer
ence (thus the lack of posts), and on the way down we began assembling pric
es and material lists for some wood kits that we mentioned last week or so
ago on the list. We have both a CNC router (5' x 10' MultiCam CNC router an
d a 4' x 8' laser table), and have some spruce on hand that is spar grade s
tuff, but after the response we got, we began thinking that we would offer
some sub-assembly kits. These would offer the spruce parts as well as the p
ly parts cut to shape using the CNC stuff.
Planning all of this was the bulk of our discussion in the car (both direct
ions) on the 4 hour trip. We have some of the kit info together, and I have
been working to find some of the carriers that can ship reasonably all ove
r the country. I haven't posted all this yet as I was wanting to have all t
he info for the-number-of requests we've had.
I just checked ACS and saw that they now have sub kits available, which was
what we were thinking of offering. I can't remember if I posted this earli
er when I mentioned that we'd be offering kits, but I think it's great that
those options are available! It makes it better for ALL of us to have opti
ons, and the ability to choose.
We got a new web address for all of this (www.PietenParts.com -or www.Pie
tParts.com), and I can tell you that our kits and sub kits will be CNC cut
Plywood parts and will have all of the materials listed so you can see what
you are getting. I noticed this was missing when I went to the ACS site...
But, nice to see the sub kits which is what I was planning to offer origin
ally.
By the way, we are going to offer our kits with CNC machined rib jigs for t
he Original FC-10 airfoil, the Riblett GA-30-612 and the Riblett GA-30-613.
5 airfoils.-
One additional item that I am very-excited-about offering is a rib stic
k cutting jig that will cut the internal rib sticks for each rib easily and
-accurately! It can reduce the amount of time it takes to cut the sticks
down to a short afternoon, and they'll snap in place! So far I have the one
for the Riblett 613.5 finished, and I still need to finish the FC-10 jig,
and the FC-10 and Riblett 612 cutting jig. I cut the parts for the internal
rib sticks very accuratly, and importantly, quickly.
We hope to have the website up and running before long:
www.PietenParts.com -or www.PietParts.com will eventually get you to the
same place!
By the way, we are pricing the Wing Rib kits, with the Bending Jig, The Sti
ck Cutting Jig, and the actual Rib Jig for much less than what I saw on ACS
. We are including a 'No Spar' option where you can just buy rib stuff with
out spars to see if you even want to go further into the project before co
mmitting serious money. Some people may tire after ribs :o\
More soon.
Mark
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
Whew!!! Just contact Mark Roberts, mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com. I know he doesn't
have kit prices yet, but he has wood...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Well that is confusing as hell. -You guys normally posted a wood package
for
the Pietenpol Air Camper... now you only list four "kits" for the different
sections of the Pietenpol Air Camper, and none of them are linked to a bill
of materials that can be accessed and studied in order to confirm what the
customer is actually ordering. -For example, what is included in that $93
1
"wing kit" that is now listed? -Does that include capstrip for wing ribs?
If so, what are guys suposed to do that have already built or acquired ribs
?
Search for individual items to complete the wings? -Whew! -Not the end
of
the world, but another challenge for an individual that might have just
chosen to purchase your old wood package.
I'm not sure how well those packages will go over. -If I remember correct
ly,
the old wood package was compiled quite some time ago and there are many
notes out there that reference that "no capstrip or plywood" package. -Th
e
contents of the original package is right on according to many past
builders, and I am enjoying the fact that some of the guess work is
eliminated when following the instruction of veteran builders that have use
d
your wood package. -In fact, it is one of the main reasons I purchased yo
ur
package. -I mean, have you guys tried to build one of these from the plan
s?
I suppose things can change, but I certainly can't recommend what you are
currently offering since I have no idea what it includes. -I would like t
o
suggest that you offer the original package along with those "kits" you are
offering. In addition to that... publish a bill of materials (similar to th
e
GN-1 package) so people can know what they are looking at.
Perhaps you know best what it is that your customer wants, but it seems lik
e
you might not want to mess with something that many people have said is a
"no-brainer" when it comes to wood selection. -Lots of people like to
acquire their wood in different ways, but I'm sure that many would choose t
o
pay a little extra to know they have good quality components cut to the
sizes they require.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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| Subject: | Re: remote mounting 0200 air box |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Agree with Jack: having it hang out a bit does not distract/detract and adds to
the charm.
I bet you'll lose a little of your carb heat effectiveness if you lengthen the
run of hose.
--------
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks KM!
We WANT to link to the others like yourself that make parts (like Ken
Perkins) so we can be a resource for facilitating the planes being built.
So, instead of making metal or fiberglass parts, we link to you and Ken, so
that someone can be a reference point for the group, along with the Piet
list.
I dunno how it'll work out, but we'd like to try. This group is such a great
team of support, it might not be necessary for a 'link' page, but it might
help to organize as one quick stop for the group to use to find answers.
All in time. It is TIME consuming to build websites and jigs and such all at
once! We have a start, but I want it all done NOW :o)
Thanks for the encouragement!
Mark
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:02 AM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote:
> Mark,
>
> For what it's worth.....KUDO'S!! I say this is an excellent idea and
> support your efforts. The fittings kit would be fantastic right along with
> the rest of your ideas!. For the purest, you can build the entire plane to
> your liking. For people like myself who love to fly, I could use specific
> parts and pieces to advance the build time. I would rather fly and buy some
> things to speed up build process!
>
> As you may know, I make the cowlings for the corvair piet using a pattern
> from the orginal Pietenpol (thank you "Fireman Dan" in Mpls). I cover my
> expenses and sell them to the group with a very small margin of profit. This
> is a hobby to me and not a business... so I see no real income from this
> (production runs vary widely). That's not to say for you this could not be a
> business, just explaining my position on my costs: makes it more feasable
> for others who just want a great bank for the buck and give back to the
> members.
>
> So, you have my vote for continuing with your ideas! Please keep the list
> informed. Have plently of photos to share of final products so we can see
> what we are purchasing. The members of this list can provide input for
> improved changes to some of these parts and pieces; please utilize them as
> they have "been their and done that!"
>
> Again..... Kudo's! I want to build and enjoy the journey... but not over
> three years!
>
> KM Heide
> Hawley, MN
>
> *
> *
> **
>
>
> --- On *Wed, 8/18/10, Mark Roberts * wrote:
>
>
> From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 12:10 AM
>
> Hey Guys, Regarding wood kits:
>
> My business partner and I took a business trip last week to LA for a
> conference (thus the lack of posts), and on the way down we began assembling
> prices and material lists for some wood kits that we mentioned last week or
> so ago on the list. We have both a CNC router (5' x 10' MultiCam CNC router
> and a 4' x 8' laser table), and have some spruce on hand that is spar grade
> stuff, but after the response we got, we began thinking that we would offer
> some sub-assembly kits. These would offer the spruce parts as well as the
> ply parts cut to shape using the CNC stuff.
>
> Planning all of this was the bulk of our discussion in the car (both
> directions) on the 4 hour trip. We have some of the kit info together, and I
> have been working to find some of the carriers that can ship reasonably all
> over the country. I haven't posted all this yet as I was wanting to have all
> the info for the number of requests we've had.
>
> I just checked ACS and saw that they now have sub kits available, which was
> what we were thinking of offering. I can't remember if I posted this earlier
> when I mentioned that we'd be offering kits, but I think it's great that
> those options are available! It makes it better for ALL of us to have
> options, and the ability to choose.
>
> We got a new web address for all of this (www.PietenParts.com<http://www.pietenparts.com/> or
> www.PietParts.com <http://www.pietparts.com/>), and I can tell you that
> our kits and sub kits will be CNC cut Plywood parts and will have all of the
> materials listed so you can see what you are getting. I noticed this was
> missing when I went to the ACS site... But, nice to see the sub kits which
> is what I was planning to offer originally.
>
> By the way, we are going to offer our kits with CNC machined rib jigs for
> the Original FC-10 airfoil, the Riblett GA-30-612 and the Riblett
> GA-30-613.5 airfoils.
>
> One additional item that I am very excited about offering is a rib stick
> cutting jig that will cut the internal rib sticks for each rib easily
> and accurately! It can reduce the amount of time it takes to cut the sticks
> down to a short afternoon, and they'll snap in place! So far I have the one
> for the Riblett 613.5 finished, and I still need to finish the FC-10 jig,
> and the FC-10 and Riblett 612 cutting jig. I cut the parts for the internal
> rib sticks very accuratly, and importantly, quickly.
>
> We hope to have the website up and running before long:
>
> www.PietenParts.com <http://www.pietenparts.com/> or www.PietParts.comwill eventually get you to the same place!
>
> By the way, we are pricing the Wing Rib kits, with the Bending Jig, The
> Stick Cutting Jig, and the actual Rib Jig for much less than what I saw on
> ACS. We are including a 'No Spar' option where you can just buy rib stuff
> with out spars to see if you even want to go further into the project before
> committing serious money. Some people may tire after ribs :o\
>
> More soon.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Gary Boothe http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gboothe5@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> Whew!!! Just contact Mark Roberts, mark.rbrts1@gmail.com<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>.
> I know he doesn't
> have kit prices yet, but he has wood...
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 20 ribs done
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:46 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
>
> >
>
> Well that is confusing as hell. You guys normally posted a wood package
> for
> the Pietenpol Air Camper... now you only list four "kits" for the different
> sections of the Pietenpol Air Camper, and none of them are linked to a bill
> of materials that can be accessed and studied in order to confirm what the
> customer is actually ordering. For example, what is included in that $931
> "wing kit" that is now listed? Does that include capstrip for wing ribs?
> If so, what are guys suposed to do that have already built or acquired
> ribs?
> Search for individual items to complete the wings? Whew! Not the end of
> the world, but another challenge for an individual that might have just
> chosen to purchase your old wood package.
>
> I'm not sure how well those packages will go over. If I remember
> correctly,
> the old wood package was compiled quite some time ago and there are many
> notes out there that reference that "no capstrip or plywood" package. The
> contents of the original package is right on according to many past
> builders, and I am enjoying the fact that some of the guess work is
> eliminated when following the instruction of veteran builders that have
> used
> your wood package. In fact, it is one of the main reasons I purchased your
> package. I mean, have you guys tried to build one of these from the plans?
>
>
> I suppose things can change, but I certainly can't recommend what you are
> currently offering since I have no idea what it includes. I would like to
> suggest that you offer the original package along with those "kits" you are
> offering. In addition to that... publish a bill of materials (similar to
> the
> GN-1 package) so people can know what they are looking at.
>
> Perhaps you know best what it is that your customer wants, but it seems
> like
> you might not want to mess with something that many people have said is a
> "no-brainer" when it comes to wood selection. Lots of people like to
> acquire their wood in different ways, but I'm sure that many would choose
> to
> pay a little extra to know they have good quality components cut to the
> sizes they require.
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
>
>
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
To the List, I appologize for voicing my pollitical views on the list, I kn
ow this group is about Pietenpols, I guess it just slipped on out.-
-
Shad
-
So by the way what are the odds, of me making the wood fabric and tailwhels
fly-in?=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
Hi Shad,
First baby: odds are 0 for flying 100 for attending mother-to-be, but wear
ear plugs as you won't like the names she calls you!
.
Second or more baby: odds are greater she will want you the h*&* out of the
re; so go flying but buy a nice gift to give her on your return.
Good luck,
Jim B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:25:53 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: appology
To the List, I appologize for voicing my pollitical views on the list, I kn
ow this group is about Pietenpols, I guess it just slipped on out.=C2-
Shad
So by the way what are the odds, of me making the wood fabric and tailwhels
fly-in?
==
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Grounding Aircraft |
All.thanks so much for your thoughts! Jack, I memorized all of Tony's
books, plus, pull many of his articles from the EAA archives, a fantastic
resource. But the thoughts I receive here are the best, thank you all!
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Grounding Aircraft
Would like to hear thoughts on grounding the various parts on a Piet, fuel
tank, avionics, lights, engine, etc.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | remote mounting 0200 air box |
Jack, on your first photo, at the lower joint those look like welded beads,
could you elaborate?
Thanks,
Jack
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:21 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: remote mounting 0200 air box
Douwe,
You can just let some of the airbox sit outside the cowling. It doesn't
seem to mess up the lines too much. It looks terrible when the cowling is
unpainted, but tends to disappear once the plane is finished.
Look at what mine looked like before and after paint:
Perhaps it helps to paint the cowling a dark color, but I find the airbox
hanging down just doesn't draw the eye to it. If you look closely, you can
see that the base of the carburetor (where the airbox attaches) is below the
line of the cowling, so even if you moved the airbox, you would still have
the SCAT hose showing there, and in the picture above, the SCAT hose is much
more distracting to the eye than the whole airbox.
Of course, mine is an A65 and I believe you are using an O-200, but I don't
think they are much different in this regard.
I think adding a length of SCAT hose between the air filter and the
carburetor would add an unnecessary restriction to the engine airflow, and
reduce power.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: remote mounting 0200 air box
Hey guys,
As I'm building my new cowling, I'm finding the air intake really messing up
the bottom "lines". I got to thinking, "why can't I just relocate it and
mount it remotely"?. As long as the scat tubing from the box to the carb
isn't too long to cool the heated air when I use the carb heat, I can't see
any downside.
Thoughts?
Douwe
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Rust Protection Question |
Yet another question for my "list friends".With your wing/center struts,
gear and various horns, how are you protecting against rust and corrosion
internally after painting? Prior to painting mine rust quickly if I don't
coat with oil.
Thanks,
Jack
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| From: | Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rust Protection Question |
I was planning on linseed oil but haven't done any "real" research yet but a
few quick google searches have turned up promising results
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 18, 2010, at 8:56 PM, "Jack" wrote:
> Yet another question for my =9Clist friends=9DWith yo
ur wing/center struts, gear and various horns, how are you protecting agains
t rust and corrosion internally after painting? Prior to painting mine rust
quickly if I don=99t coat with oil
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack
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| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
I don't know if anybody is needing a set but there is a set of BC12D struts I believe
it said they are on Ebay aircraft parts list right now.I do not know that
they are suitable for use to make Piet struts but I would sure check it out
if I didn't already have mine made./on another note if anybody has any experience
hooking up a Datcon tachometer I'd sure appreciate a e-mail off list. I'm
having some trouble figuring out how to program mine. Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309345#309345
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | remote mounting 0200 air box |
Are you talking about the cowling? Those are Cleco's, holding the pieces
together until I could rivet them. Everything on the cowling is riveted
together.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:36 PM
Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: remote mounting 0200 air box
Jack, on your first photo, at the lower joint those look like welded beads,
could you elaborate?
Thanks,
Jack
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:21 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: remote mounting 0200 air box
Douwe,
You can just let some of the airbox sit outside the cowling. It doesn't
seem to mess up the lines too much. It looks terrible when the cowling is
unpainted, but tends to disappear once the plane is finished.
Look at what mine looked like before and after paint:
Perhaps it helps to paint the cowling a dark color, but I find the airbox
hanging down just doesn't draw the eye to it. If you look closely, you can
see that the base of the carburetor (where the airbox attaches) is below the
line of the cowling, so even if you moved the airbox, you would still have
the SCAT hose showing there, and in the picture above, the SCAT hose is much
more distracting to the eye than the whole airbox.
Of course, mine is an A65 and I believe you are using an O-200, but I don't
think they are much different in this regard.
I think adding a length of SCAT hose between the air filter and the
carburetor would add an unnecessary restriction to the engine airflow, and
reduce power.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: remote mounting 0200 air box
Hey guys,
As I'm building my new cowling, I'm finding the air intake really messing up
the bottom "lines". I got to thinking, "why can't I just relocate it and
mount it remotely"?. As long as the scat tubing from the box to the carb
isn't too long to cool the heated air when I use the carb heat, I can't see
any downside.
Thoughts?
Douwe
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Rust Protection Question |
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
My AME recommends linseed oil, too.
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 18, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Matthew VanDervort wrote:
> I was planning on linseed oil but haven't done any "real" research yet but
a few quick google searches have turned up promising results
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Aug 18, 2010, at 8:56 PM, "Jack" wrote:
>
>> Yet another question for my =9Clist friends=9DWith y
our wing/center struts, gear and various horns, how are you protecting again
st rust and corrosion internally after painting? Prior to painting mine rus
t quickly if I don=99t coat with oil
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| Subject: | Test-phase report, and mystery |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hello all you good people,
Beautiful evening. Flew my beloved Piet last night in the pattern right be
fore sunset. All went well. I can't do a normal run up because of my margi
nal brakes, so in-flight, I decided to test my dual mag set-up. Noticed th
at I got about 200 more rpm just running on the left mag alone, and to my
surprise the engine ran at least 15 degrees cooler. I know my mags are no
t timed exactly together because I can hear the impulse couplings clicking
one after another when I pull it through by hand. I am guessing that the
timing is more optimal on my left mag. With these symptoms what do you gu
ys thing is going on? Please advise.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Test-phase report, and mystery |
Re-time the right mag to match the left? If they are both impulse I
can't see a reason not to have them both the same.
Ben
On 8/19/2010 7:46 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Hello all you good people,
> Beautiful evening. Flew my beloved Piet last night in the pattern
> right before sunset. All went well. I can't do a normal run up because
> of my marginal brakes, so in-flight, I decided to test my dual mag
> set-up. Noticed that I got about 200 more rpm just running on the left
> mag alone, and to my surprise the engine ran at least 15 degrees
> cooler. I know my mags are not timed exactly together because I can
> hear the impulse couplings clicking one after another when I pull it
> through by hand. I am guessing that the timing is more optimal on my
> left mag. With these symptoms what do you guys thing is going on?
> Please advise.
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Ryan wrote [about Mark Langford's website]-
>Nothing about Pietenpols, but lots ofinformation about the Corvair
Not true... not true. Pietenpol content on Mark's site:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/wwrear.html
There is also a Piet based at Moontown, where Mark frequently
flies. I only have one picture of it, rather fuzzy. Red
struts and gear legs, Continental engine, looks like a
metal prop on it, and the owner's initials are RM but that's
about all I know about it.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Carb heat from Continental Cylinder heads? |
At normal operating conditions, a Continental's cylinder
head temperature will be somewhere around 350F. At those
same conditions, the EGT will be about 1000F HIGHER than
the CHT. Which one will do a better job of carb heat?
Quick... you need that heat and you need it right now, and
you only get one shot at it ;o) Especially if you run a
Stromberg like mine that makes ice like crazy.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Test-phase report, and mystery |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
The impulses may not be in perfect delay as the actual running timing, which should
be set per specs.
Pieti Lowell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309372#309372
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Carb heat from Continental Cylinder heads? |
Let's see, since "heat loss = heat gain," I'd go where there is the most heat (3X).
Great point, Oscar, on the time issue. It is calories or BTUs /second you
want. That sharpens the point.
The heat is also more focused-- more easily tapped, if you will, into a tube, without
using a "funnel"-- at the exhaust.
I love this board.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Aug 19, 2010 8:43 AM
>To: Pietenpol List
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat from Continental Cylinder heads?
>
>
>At normal operating conditions, a Continental's cylinder
>head temperature will be somewhere around 350F. At those
>same conditions, the EGT will be about 1000F HIGHER than
>the CHT. Which one will do a better job of carb heat?
>
>Quick... you need that heat and you need it right now, and
>you only get one shot at it ;o) Especially if you run a
>Stromberg like mine that makes ice like crazy.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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| From: | Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Carb heat from Continental Cylinder heads? |
Oscar:
I had thought about the difference in CHT & EGT, but it also occurred
to me that you need heat the most when the engine is at part throttle
or even idle. What is the EGT after 20 seconds of 1,700RPM operation,
then 10 seconds at idle? Probably still warmer than the CHT, but
probably a long, long way from 1,300F. The mass of the cylinder heads
just means they stay warm longer.
Ryan M.:
I believe the L2 is a pressure cowling setup, maybe that allows it to
work. The carb heat connection would come from the lower part of the
back of the eyebrows, not far from the exhaust port on the head, which
is probably more like 400 to 500 degrees, rather than the 350 or so at
the plug.
IF I try it, I'll do ground testing first to verify adequate RPM drop
and let the group know what I find.
Thanks for all the information so far! It is definitely nice to hear
about the things I hadn't considered yet.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting Oscar Zuniga :
>
>
> At normal operating conditions, a Continental's cylinder
> head temperature will be somewhere around 350F. At those
> same conditions, the EGT will be about 1000F HIGHER than
> the CHT. Which one will do a better job of carb heat?
>
> Quick... you need that heat and you need it right now, and
> you only get one shot at it ;o) Especially if you run a
> Stromberg like mine that makes ice like crazy.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Carb heat from Continental Cylinder heads? |
| From: | Matt Wash <mattwash(at)mattwash.com> |
Steve,
I don't have a Pietenpol, but I do have a JPi EDM700 on my 150 with an
O-200.
Pretty much immediately after start-up I see 100F across the CHTs and EGTs
in the 800s
Within 1 minute I have 100-150s on my CHTs and 800-1000 EGTs
Within 2 minutes I'm up to 200-230s on CHTs and still 800-1000s on the EGTs
The heads within 5 minutes of ground operation are in the 220-280 range
depending what's going on. Taxi, idle, runup.
The runup looks like 260-290 on the CHTs, 950-1100 on the EGTs
Takeoff gets me in the 330-360 range on CHT with 1200-1350s for EGTs
OAT was 40-50F. My CHT probes are on the spark plugs.
Hope this helps,
~Matt
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Steve Ruse wrote:
> >
>
> Oscar:
> I had thought about the difference in CHT & EGT, but it also occurred to me
> that you need heat the most when the engine is at part throttle or even
> idle. What is the EGT after 20 seconds of 1,700RPM operation, then 10
> seconds at idle? Probably still warmer than the CHT, but probably a long,
> long way from 1,300F. The mass of the cylinder heads just means they stay
> warm longer.
>
> Ryan M.:
> I believe the L2 is a pressure cowling setup, maybe that allows it to work.
> The carb heat connection would come from the lower part of the back of the
> eyebrows, not far from the exhaust port on the head, which is probably more
> like 400 to 500 degrees, rather than the 350 or so at the plug.
>
> IF I try it, I'll do ground testing first to verify adequate RPM drop and
> let the group know what I find.
>
> Thanks for all the information so far! It is definitely nice to hear about
> the things I hadn't considered yet.
>
> Steve Ruse
> Norman, OK
>
> Quoting Oscar Zuniga :
>
>> >
>>
>>
>> At normal operating conditions, a Continental's cylinder
>> head temperature will be somewhere around 350F. At those
>> same conditions, the EGT will be about 1000F HIGHER than
>> the CHT. Which one will do a better job of carb heat?
>>
>> Quick... you need that heat and you need it right now, and
>> you only get one shot at it ;o) Especially if you run a
>> Stromberg like mine that makes ice like crazy.
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Air Camper NX41CC
>> San Antonio, TX
>> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Test-phase report, and mystery |
Need more information, Dan. Which mag impulse clicks over first?
I seems to me (and I'm just thinking out loud here) that if one mag were
timed correctly and the other came in later, that would do little to boost
power and you would have a drop in RPM when switched to just the late mag.
But if one were timed correctly and the other was timed too early, it would
run poorly on the early mag, and OK on the correct one. The only thing that
would make it run better on one mag than on both would be if one mag was so
early that it was wasting some of the energy in firing very early and the
engine ran better without it at all. But I can't think it would run well on
that mag alone.
Are you sure your switch is wired correctly?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 7:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test-phase report, and mystery
Hello all you good people,
Beautiful evening. Flew my beloved Piet last night in the pattern right
before sunset. All went well. I can't do a normal run up because of my
marginal brakes, so in-flight, I decided to test my dual mag set-up. Noticed
that I got about 200 more rpm just running on the left mag alone, and to my
surprise the engine ran at least 15 degrees cooler. I know my mags are not
timed exactly together because I can hear the impulse couplings clicking one
after another when I pull it through by hand. I am guessing that the timing
is more optimal on my left mag. With these symptoms what do you guys thing
is going on? Please advise.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Carb heat from Continental Cylinder heads? |
That's why you always pull carb heat on while the engine is at cruise power
BEFORE reducing to idle. Let it warm the carburetor for a few seconds
before reducing the throttle.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ruse
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat from Continental Cylinder heads?
Oscar:
I had thought about the difference in CHT & EGT, but it also occurred
to me that you need heat the most when the engine is at part throttle
or even idle. What is the EGT after 20 seconds of 1,700RPM operation,
then 10 seconds at idle? Probably still warmer than the CHT, but
probably a long, long way from 1,300F. The mass of the cylinder heads
just means they stay warm longer.
Ryan M.:
I believe the L2 is a pressure cowling setup, maybe that allows it to
work. The carb heat connection would come from the lower part of the
back of the eyebrows, not far from the exhaust port on the head, which
is probably more like 400 to 500 degrees, rather than the 350 or so at
the plug.
IF I try it, I'll do ground testing first to verify adequate RPM drop
and let the group know what I find.
Thanks for all the information so far! It is definitely nice to hear
about the things I hadn't considered yet.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting Oscar Zuniga :
>
>
> At normal operating conditions, a Continental's cylinder
> head temperature will be somewhere around 350F. At those
> same conditions, the EGT will be about 1000F HIGHER than
> the CHT. Which one will do a better job of carb heat?
>
> Quick... you need that heat and you need it right now, and
> you only get one shot at it ;o) Especially if you run a
> Stromberg like mine that makes ice like crazy.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Carb heat from Continental Cylinder heads? |
On 08/19/2010 07:43 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga
>
>
> At normal operating conditions, a Continental's cylinder
> head temperature will be somewhere around 350F. At those
> same conditions, the EGT will be about 1000F HIGHER than
> the CHT. Which one will do a better job of carb heat?
But, the cylinder has (a) a higher mass and (b) a higher Specific Heat
than the exhaust gas. We could Do Science to figure out which one will
dump more hot air into the carb, if I could only remember the equation...
Q=cM(Tsub1 - Tsub2), or something like that...
>
> Quick... you need that heat and you need it right now, and
> you only get one shot at it ;o) Especially if you run a
> Stromberg like mine that makes ice like crazy.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | "Aircraft Spruce Info" <info(at)aircraftspruce.com> |
Thanks for the builder who posted the comment about the Pietenpol wood kits from
Aircraft Spruce. We simply split the original wood kit into four smaller kits
for the wing, fuselage, stabilizer and elevator, and rudder and fin. This allows
a builder to buy the wood in sections instead of as one large kit. All of
these kits are on our website and the contents of each kit can be accessed online.
If any builders need clarification or have any questions on our kits, please
let us know.
Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co.
Customer Service Dept.
info(at)aircraftspruce.com
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Just did a quick check, and the Aircraft Spruce website NOW has the contents of
each wood kit listed (it didn't a few days ago, as was noted by Mark).
I haven't checked ALL of the details (and I don't think I will, since I already
have all my spruce), but I did notice one thing that is wrong. The wing kit lists
500 ft of 1/4" x 1/4" capstrip. The plans do not call for 1/4" x 1/4" anywhere.
The capstrip size should be 1/4" x 1/2".
I recall seeing a materials list that someone had posted a while back, that had
a small note at the bottom, regarding capstrip size relating to engine horsepower,
but the plans DO NOT have any reference to that - who knows where that came
from.
Just seems logical that a wood kit should be based on the actual plans, and not
on some modification that some, unknown person came up with.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/builderkits.php?PN=01-00582
Bill C.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
There are, I believe, (do not have the plans with me here at work) 1/4" X 1
/4" cap strips that go between the ribs along the edges of the ailerons and
wing, (where the aileron was removed) to give the fabric a place to attach
. Or is this 1/2" X 1/4" as well? Either way, 500' of it seems a bit much.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
--- On Thu, 8/19/10, Bill Church wrote:
From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 12:36 PM
>
Just did a quick check, and the Aircraft Spruce website NOW has the content
s of each wood kit listed (it didn't a few days ago, as was noted by Mark).
I haven't checked ALL of the details (and I don't think I will, since I alr
eady have all my spruce), but I did notice one thing that is wrong. The win
g kit lists 500 ft of 1/4" x 1/4" capstrip. The plans do not call for 1/4"
x 1/4" anywhere. The capstrip size should be 1/4" x 1/2".
I recall seeing a materials list that someone had posted a while back, that
had a small note at the bottom, regarding capstrip size relating to engine
horsepower, but the plans DO NOT have any reference to that - who knows wh
ere that came from.
Just seems logical that a wood kit should be based on the actual plans, and
not on some modification that some, unknown person came up with.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/builderkits.php?PN=01-00582
Bill C.
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| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Wow, $930.38 just for wing wood! I paid $850 for the full airframe wood kit
minus cap-strip and plywood 6 years ago. (But its not 6 years ago is it?).
rick
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Bill Church wrote:
> billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
>
> Just did a quick check, and the Aircraft Spruce website NOW has the
> contents of each wood kit listed (it didn't a few days ago, as was noted by
> Mark).
> I haven't checked ALL of the details (and I don't think I will, since I
> already have all my spruce), but I did notice one thing that is wrong. The
> wing kit lists 500 ft of 1/4" x 1/4" capstrip. The plans do not call for
> 1/4" x 1/4" anywhere. The capstrip size should be 1/4" x 1/2".
> I recall seeing a materials list that someone had posted a while back, that
> had a small note at the bottom, regarding capstrip size relating to engine
> horsepower, but the plans DO NOT have any reference to that - who knows
> where that came from.
> Just seems logical that a wood kit should be based on the actual plans, and
> not on some modification that some, unknown person came up with.
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/builderkits.php?PN=01-00582
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309412#309412
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | This weekend in Southern Ontario |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
If you're in or around southern Ontario, Canada this weekend, there's a Pietenpol-related
event going on.
The Ultralight Pilot's Association of Canada (UPAC) is holding its annual convention
tomorrow evening (Friday) thru Sunday. They are "featuring" (whatever that
means) Pietenpol Air Campers this year.
The convention is held at the Lubitz Flying Field, near Waterloo, Ontario. Back
in 1980, Ed Lubitz flew his Ford Fiesta powered Air Camper to Oshkosh, and caused
a stir with his auto engine conversion. So, THAT Pietenpol will most likely
be on display.
Ed recently built a replica of the Silver Dart - the first aircraft to fly in Canada
(which was designed by a group led by Alexander Graham Bell) just over 100
years ago.
Details about the convention can be found at their website:
www.upac.ca
Bill C.
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| From: | "Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca> |
| Subject: | This weekend in Southern Ontario |
Thanks Maybe I can shoot down.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: August 19, 2010 3:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: This weekend in Southern Ontario
If you're in or around southern Ontario, Canada this weekend, there's a
Pietenpol-related event going on.
The Ultralight Pilot's Association of Canada (UPAC) is holding its annual
convention tomorrow evening (Friday) thru Sunday. They are "featuring"
(whatever that means) Pietenpol Air Campers this year.
The convention is held at the Lubitz Flying Field, near Waterloo, Ontario.
Back in 1980, Ed Lubitz flew his Ford Fiesta powered Air Camper to
Oshkosh, and caused a stir with his auto engine conversion. So, THAT
Pietenpol will most likely be on display.
Ed recently built a replica of the Silver Dart - the first aircraft to fly
in Canada (which was designed by a group led by Alexander Graham Bell)
just over 100 years ago.
Details about the convention can be found at their website:
www.upac.ca
Bill C.
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| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Bill C., you are correct that the reference to 1/4"x 1/4" capstrip is NOT on the
Pietenpol plans, but it is shown on the Grega GN-1 plans. They state that
1/4"x 1/4" is acceptable for engines up to 65hp (I think, plans not in front of
me), but for engines above 65hp to use 1/4"x 1/2" capstrip for the ribs.
I have not built my Piet ribs yet, but I will follow convention and stick to the
1/4"x 1/2" capstrips on mine.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: This weekend in Southern Ontario |
Sure wish we were spending the weekend in Suthern Ontario instead of
Nuthern Louisiana
CMC
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
This seems like a good plan from AS&S. I have not evaluated the kits by mat
erial, size of lumbar,-and total amount. Do these kits contain all the ri
ght pieces?-Also, do you have to do any ripping of the wood itself or is
this pre-cut?
-
KMHeide-
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--- On Thu, 8/19/10, Bill Church wrote:
From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 11:36 AM
>
Just did a quick check, and the Aircraft Spruce website NOW has the content
s of each wood kit listed (it didn't a few days ago, as was noted by Mark).
I haven't checked ALL of the details (and I don't think I will, since I alr
eady have all my spruce), but I did notice one thing that is wrong. The win
g kit lists 500 ft of 1/4" x 1/4" capstrip. The plans do not call for 1/4"
x 1/4" anywhere. The capstrip size should be 1/4" x 1/2".
I recall seeing a materials list that someone had posted a while back, that
had a small note at the bottom, regarding capstrip size relating to engine
horsepower, but the plans DO NOT have any reference to that - who knows wh
ere that came from.
Just seems logical that a wood kit should be based on the actual plans, and
not on some modification that some, unknown person came up with.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/builderkits.php?PN=01-00582
Bill C.
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Test-phase report, and mystery |
Dan=2C for one thing I would not have impulses on both=2C it isn't necessar
y. An impulse also retards the spark a bit=2C when it is operating. At cr
uise=2C the impulse should not be doing anything. Most modern aircraft eng
ines have both mags timed the same. Older engines=2C like the 65 Continent
al=2C etc=2C had one at some thing like 28 BTC and the other at 30 BTC. Li
kewise on some radials. I think it is because one spark plug is closer to
the intake valve than the other=2C and it is to give a more even burn.
It sounds like your left mag is timed about right=2C and your right may be
timed too early=2C igniting the fuel early causing a loss of performance an
d a higher temperature. Time the right a little later (closer to TDC=2C re
gardless of where it is now) and see if it improves. Make sure the impulse
has popped when you time it=2C it will mess up the timing. I would still
take off one of the impulses.
Gene
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test-phase report=2C and mystery
Date: Thu=2C 19 Aug 2010 07:46:17 -0400
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Hello all you good people=2C
Beautiful evening. Flew my beloved Piet last night in the pattern right bef
ore sunset. All went well. I can't do a normal run up because of my margina
l brakes=2C so in-flight=2C I decided to test my dual mag set-up. Noticed t
hat I got about 200 more rpm just running on the left mag alone=2C and to m
y surprise the engine ran at least 15 degrees cooler. I know my mags are no
t timed exactly together because I can hear the impulse couplings clicking
one after another when I pull it through by hand. I am guessing that the ti
ming is more optimal on my left mag. With these symptoms what do you guys t
hing is going on? Please advise.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove=2C IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Got a compass |
| From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
apparently it's a mark VII
http://www.taircraft.com/parts/instruments/compass.html
scroll all the way to the bottom.
Regardless know that I know it's WW2 vintage, my dad will go nuts :D
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: CorvAircraft> New Oshkosh notes. |
Hi Ryan and Jesse,
So how many hours do you have on the really nice white and green Piet? Have
n't heard Jesse squeal out here in No. Cal. so isn't she flying in it?
Jim B.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Kudos to Aircraft Spruce and Specialty for being responsive enough to our
needs to: (a.) even hear our group grumblings and (b.) to respond quickly to
such.
No they're not perfect, but I've pretty much built my plane from their
catalog and have always appreciated the things they've done right which have
far outnumbered the mistakes.
Douwe
Ps. Hey Dan, Gene is bang on about your mag timing. (no surprise right?)
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| Subject: | Mag timing/ impulse on both mags |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Gene and Douwe,
Yes I think you are right on the mag timing problem. I am going to get ar
ound to looking at it this afternoon. But Gene, I am not sure why I would
need to remove one of the impulse couplings. My Aeronca has two Slick mag
s and both have the impulses. Even when I ran the old Bendix mags, they bo
th had it. Please explain.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Tail wheel..good reading |
http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/kgear.html#tailwheel
Above is a link to an write-up I just came across. You may read the whole thing,
but if you click on the "tail wheel update" link at the top of the page it will
take you to what I read.
It is a little long winded, but I found it interesting. Just passing it along.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Mag timing/ impulse on both mags |
| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
One less mechanical thing to break/malfunction.
--------
PAPA MIKE
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| Subject: | Why not post replies in the original topic??? |
| From: | "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net> |
I've noticed that on this forum that some members rather than post comments, replies,
suggestions etc in the original post they post in a new topic. Example,
there are at least 10 new topics started with Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors
and fellow lovers...
Just looking through the first couple of pages of topics there numerous other examples.
The topic become very disjointed. It is hard to follow the topic in a chronological
order as to who is replying to who.
--------
Dan Plett
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Tail wheel..good reading |
I plan on using that same wheel, but I am going to see if I can get it from the
place mentioned in the write-up and get some better bearings.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? |
I noticed the same thing...even with my replies. I reply to the original post.
(So I thought...I don't start a new topic) Something amiss with the server?
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Oh man... I sure am glad that I didn't start this thread.
How does that go? Don't disconcert the masses, right?
--------
Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
That is right Bill... one of the Ohio Piet guys had an old typed list that has
obviously floated around for years, but I can't remember the name. I was told
that his list was used to create the AS&S bill of materials for the original
Pietenpol wood package, minus any capstrip or ply. I'm not sure if that is all
true, but I did use that list to inventory the parts I received from AS&S and
it was right on, with the exception of two extra 3/16" strips for the empennage.
Much of the hand written and photo copied notes were difficult to read, so I retyped
them a few months ago and posted them here for others to use. I've found
the list useful when trying to determine what lengths to use for which assemblies...
I figured others would too.
Getting to the point... at the bottom of his page he had a note stating...
65HP or less - 1/4" x 1/4" capstrip
65HP or more - 1/4" x 1/2" capstrip
Perhaps that is where it came from?
I agree that 1/4" x 1/2" should be used as per the original plans.
Bill Church wrote:
> Just did a quick check, and the Aircraft Spruce website NOW has the contents
of each wood kit listed (it didn't a few days ago, as was noted by Mark).
> I haven't checked ALL of the details (and I don't think I will, since I already
have all my spruce), but I did notice one thing that is wrong. The wing kit
lists 500 ft of 1/4" x 1/4" capstrip. The plans do not call for 1/4" x 1/4" anywhere.
The capstrip size should be 1/4" x 1/2".
> I recall seeing a materials list that someone had posted a while back, that had
a small note at the bottom, regarding capstrip size relating to engine horsepower,
but the plans DO NOT have any reference to that - who knows where that
came from.
> Just seems logical that a wood kit should be based on the actual plans, and not
on some modification that some, unknown person came up with.
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/builderkits.php?PN=01-00582
>
> Bill C.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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| Subject: | Re: Mag timing/ impulse on both mags |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)erec.net> |
Dan I am with you on both mags having impulse couplings. It will definitely
start better. The only problem I have ever seen an impulse coupling give is
back when I first started flying the oils were not as good as now. They would gum
up...get sticky and not engage sometime. Washed up and work good as new.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Mag timing/ impulse on both mags |
Dan=2C I was not suggesting you HAVE to remove one=2C just that another is
not necessary. Most modern engines only have one. Many more old continent
als and such had none at all. Radials=2C except Kinners (probably somethin
g else=2C but I can't think of one) dont have impulses. I think the Model
A would start just fine with no impulse=2C but if you want one that is fine
. I just think two is overkill and may be somehow contributing to your pro
blem.
Gene
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mag timing/ impulse on both mags
Date: Fri=2C 20 Aug 2010 10:02:32 -0400
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Gene and Douwe=2C
Yes I think you are right on the mag timing problem. I am going to get aro
und to looking at it this afternoon. But Gene=2C I am not sure why I would
need to remove one of the impulse couplings. My Aeronca has two Slick mags
and both have the impulses. Even when I ran the old Bendix mags=2C they bot
h had it. Please explain.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove=2C IL.
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| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
OK, i am down to my last 6 ribs!
I am making the 3 piece wing and have noticed that some people have
the 2 outer center section ribs sheeted in ply and others do not.
Why the 2 different methods and what size ply was used by those that used
it?
Also, would the inner ribs of each wing panel need to be sheeted too?
Thanks-
Earl
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
The added sheeting on the center section and inboard wing ribs aids in atta
ching fabric.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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From: echobravo4 <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Ribs
Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 2:27 PM
OK, i am down to my last 6 ribs!
I am making the 3 piece wing and have noticed that some people have
the 2 outer center section ribs sheeted in ply and others do not.
Why the 2 different methods and what size ply was used by those that used
it?
Also, would the inner ribs of each wing panel need to be sheeted too?
Thanks-
Earl
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up whe
re I intended to be.
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
I'm one of those that sheeted it in (1/16") ply and I have NO idea why I did that
(I've made that statement more than once in my life!).
Seriously, I would not do it again. I would definitely put in the extra "compression"
1/4 X1/2 vertical pieces but I'm sure those are enough. Actually, I ended
up routing out most of the ply anyway...see attached.
JM
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>From: echobravo4 <eab4(at)comcast.net>
>Sent: Aug 20, 2010 2:27 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Ribs
>
>
>OK, i am down to my last 6 ribs!
>
>I am making the 3 piece wing and have noticed that some people have
>the 2 outer center section ribs sheeted in ply and others do not.
>
>Why the 2 different methods and what size ply was used by those that used
>it?
>
>Also, would the inner ribs of each wing panel need to be sheeted too?
>
>Thanks-
>Earl
>
>--------
>Earl Brown
>
>I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where
I intended to be.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309552#309552
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
While we're on the subject of minor problems......can someone tell me why some
of the post are in such small print? It seems once a thread goes small it all
goes small and stays that way. I was thinking maybe someone was typing in such
a small font that it forced my screen to go small to get the lines in?
--------
John
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| From: | "bcolleran" <bcolleran(at)comcast.net> |
Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the answer
to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I cant seem to
find what dimensions of the wood is height and width.
Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in the back,
I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a little low.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Bill
N424BK
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309569#309569
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| From: | "bcolleran" <bcolleran(at)comcast.net> |
Hey guys I see some of you have a piece of what looks like 1 x 1 behind the cowl
support that is bent the same radius. Then I see some of you have placed what
looks like 1 x 1 in between the cowl support and the panel.
Those that have the bent radius what was the method to you madness. It looks nice
and seems as if it would give great support the cowl when it is laid.
Bill
N424BK
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309570#309570
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Make the turtle decks as high as you want! Mine are 1 1/2" higher, but not
flight tested...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck
Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the
answer to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I cant
seem to find what dimensions of the wood is height and width.
Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in the
back, I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a little
low.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Bill
N424BK
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309569#309569
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| Subject: | Magneto problem- mystery solved |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Good (some if you) People,
First of all I would like to agree with Mike C. who has in the past advoca
ted changing the topic line to suit the changing conversation so as to not
drag the same old topic line out days and days, so that the resulting con
versation is not even close to the original anymore. (now waiting to be fl
amed).
This afternoon I had some time to go out in the hangar and try to solve my
magneto problem. Y'all (getting ready to move to TN) were correct. I disc
overed that the bolts on the right (malfunctioning) mag had loosened up an
d the mag had rotated quite a bit and it was firing way too early. Then
I checked the the left (correctly functioning) mag and it was still right
on (30 degrees before TC). So I tightened everything down and expect ever
ything to be OK. Had to button up the hangar because a storm was about
to hit. I'll try running it tomorrow.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Bill,
You may need as many as 4 or 5 of those, depending on how you design things.
Take a piece of 3/4" plywood or particle board and make a template that
matches the radius you decide upon. You'll need to clamp all together with
pipe clamps or furniture clamps (2 would do), so make it so you can sandwich
the pieces between. Cut a bunch of thin strips, 1/16" x 3/4", glue and
clamp...its fun!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cowl support
Hey guys I see some of you have a piece of what looks like 1 x 1 behind the
cowl support that is bent the same radius. Then I see some of you have
placed what looks like 1 x 1 in between the cowl support and the panel.
Those that have the bent radius what was the method to you madness. It
looks nice and seems as if it would give great support the cowl when it is
laid.
Bill
N424BK
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309570#309570
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| From: | "Dale Johnson" <ddjohn(at)earthlink.net> |
Bill
I made the turtle deck from 1/4 by 1 inch redwood. Light and strong.
The height is the same as the instrument panel. That is so the shoulder
strap will not put downward pressure
on the spine.
Dale
> [Original Message]
> From: bcolleran <bcolleran(at)comcast.net>
> To:
> Date: 8/20/2010 3:58:18 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck
>
>
> Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the
answer to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I
cant seem to find what dimensions of the wood is height and width.
>
> Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in
the back, I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a
little low.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
> N424BK
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309569#309569
>
>
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| From: | "Tucker" <Tucker(at)tuckerrice.net> |
I just joined the list, I'm 13 and building a Pietenpol. My grandfather built
a Skybolt and RV-9A and is helping me. Been looking at the Pietenpols at Oshkosh
for the past 5 years and when we got home this year, we decided to go for
it. I got the plans from Mr. Pietenpol and just got a Corvair engine. We spent
yesterday and today tearing it down. I'm really excited about getting started.
I need to order Mr. Wynne's Corvair book. Here's a picture.
--------
Tucker
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309576#309576
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Welcome, Tucker. It's very refreshing to get some young blood on this list
- all these old folks are getting me down.
Serioulsy, we're very glad to have you and you will find this list to be an
emnormous asset as you build your airplane. Next year you need to come to
Brodhead the weekend before Oshkosh.
Now as you get started you need to buy the set of 4 Tony Bingelis books, The
Sportplane Builder, Sportplane Construction Techniques, Firewall Forward,
and Tony Bingelis on Engines. They will tell you most of what you need to
know, this list can provide the rest.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tucker
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 5:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hi, I'm Tucker
I just joined the list, I'm 13 and building a Pietenpol. My grandfather
built a Skybolt and RV-9A and is helping me. Been looking at the Pietenpols
at Oshkosh for the past 5 years and when we got home this year, we decided
to go for it. I got the plans from Mr. Pietenpol and just got a Corvair
engine. We spent yesterday and today tearing it down. I'm really excited
about getting started. I need to order Mr. Wynne's Corvair book. Here's a
picture.
--------
Tucker
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309576#309576
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| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm Tucker |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Wow! 13 years old, and building yourself an airplane. Way to go!
When I was your age, I was only building flying models.
One good thing is that the Pietenpol is built just like a model airplane (just
on a bigger scale). In fact, the bigger scale is actually easier to work with
- except for those GIANT Tee-pins (just kidding).
You and your grandfather are in for a fun ride.
Welcome to the List!
Keep us updated with your progress, and ask any questions that you might come up
with as you go.
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309579#309579
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| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm Tucker |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Tucker,
Congrats on choosing to build a Pietenpol. Between the knowledge your
grandfather has acquired, and the knowledge on this list you should have
plenty of help successfully completing your goal of building a Piet.
A quick note about Corvairs for aircraft use: you should not just use any
Corvair engine when looking to convert one for aircraft use. There are
suitable engine codes that indicate particular characteristics of an engine
that make it a good candidate for converting to an aircraft engine. Based on
the picture of the engine that you sent, it looks like you have a 140
horsepower engine (the 4 carburetors indicate that). You will want to check
the engine code that is stamped on top of the crankcase, behind the oil
filler tube. It needs to end in the following two letters to be suitable for
conversion for aircraft use: AH, RN, RX, RY. If it does not end in any of
those four pairs, then unfortunately it is not suitable to use for an
aircraft conversion.
If it does end in those four codes you can rebuild it for aircraft use, but
there are a few considerations to make before you proceed with it. You will
not be able to use the cylinder heads from that engine; you will need to
find different, more appropriate cylinder heads (95 or 110 horsepower
cylinder heads). You will also have to replace the crankshaft gear with a
different gear, because it is retarded 4 degrees and is not suitable for
aircraft use. This can be a rather difficult task to accomplish, and is not
ideal to have to do so.
The 140 horsepower engines may be more valuable to the car guys, as I think
they are a little rarer. You might look up your local Corvair car club, and
ask around and see if anyone wants to trade for one or two 110 horsepower
engine cores (of the proper code).
You mentioned you need to buy William Wynne's manual. I would highly
recommend doing so before proceeding much further with your Corvair rebuild.
The manual is chock full of information about which kinds of engines are
going to be best suited for conversion for aircraft use, and the best way to
go about rebuilding one to ensure you end up with a reliable engine.
Good luck!
Ryan
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Tucker wrote:
>
> I just joined the list, I'm 13 and building a Pietenpol. My grandfather
> built a Skybolt and RV-9A and is helping me. Been looking at the Pietenpols
> at Oshkosh for the past 5 years and when we got home this year, we decided
> to go for it. I got the plans from Mr. Pietenpol and just got a Corvair
> engine. We spent yesterday and today tearing it down. I'm really excited
> about getting started. I need to order Mr. Wynne's Corvair book. Here's a
> picture.
>
> --------
> Tucker
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309576#309576
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0007_154.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm Tucker |
| From: | "John Recine" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
Tucker,
Welcome, I can't to begin to tell you just how impressed I am with you. Such great
ambitions and goals at such a young age your grandfather must be delighted.
I am building one with my grandson too, he's a bit younger but it makes him happy
to know he's part of the project. And when we work together I am I'm in the
presence of the 2 greatest joys of my life.
I can't wait to meet you and your grandfather in Brodhead next year.
Where are you from? Along with the list we have one additional resource available
to assist in your build. Many of us travel with our jobs and if a builder doesn't
live near you I am certain one of our traveling crew would be more than
happy to lend a hand, advice or support so please keep us all in mind as available
resources in helping with your build.
Best of luck in the hours of enjoyment you and your grandfather are going to have
building the dream together.
John
Lititz Pennsylvania
------Original Message------
From: Tucker
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hi, I'm Tucker
Sent: Aug 20, 2010 5:32 PM
I just joined the list, I'm 13 and building a Pietenpol. My grandfather built
a Skybolt and RV-9A and is helping me. Been looking at the Pietenpols at Oshkosh
for the past 5 years and when we got home this year, we decided to go for
it. I got the plans from Mr. Pietenpol and just got a Corvair engine. We spent
yesterday and today tearing it down. I'm really excited about getting started.
I need to order Mr. Wynne's Corvair book. Here's a picture.
--------
Tucker
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309576#309576
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
Actually I thought the sheeting on the inboard wing ribs keeps the
fabric from pulling the ribs in when shrinking. I still ended up with a
slight warpage.
Ben Charvet
On 8/20/2010 2:41 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
> The added sheeting on the center section and inboard wing ribs aids in
> attaching fabric.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> --- On *Fri, 8/20/10, echobravo4 //* wrote:
>
>
> From: echobravo4 <eab4(at)comcast.net>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Ribs
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 2:27 PM
>
> >
>
> OK, i am down to my last 6 ribs!
>
> I am making the 3 piece wing and have noticed that some people have
> the 2 outer center section ribs sheeted in ply and others do not.
>
> Why the 2 different methods and what size ply was used by those
> that used
> it?
>
> Also, would the inner ribs of each wing panel need to be sheeted too?
>
> Thanks-
> Earl
>
> --------
> Earl Brown
>
> I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have
> ended up where I intended to be.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
> target="_blank">http://www - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> = --> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309552#309552>
>
>
> <http://forums.matronics.com>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Bill take a look at my site, this link will get you close
http://textors.com/IMG_2022_640x427.jpg . You will need a form, plastic
wrap and I used 1/16 (cut with a razor knife) and thin super glue.
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cowl support
Bill,
You may need as many as 4 or 5 of those, depending on how you design things.
Take a piece of 3/4" plywood or particle board and make a template that
matches the radius you decide upon. You'll need to clamp all together with
pipe clamps or furniture clamps (2 would do), so make it so you can sandwich
the pieces between. Cut a bunch of thin strips, 1/16" x 3/4", glue and
clamp...its fun!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cowl support
Hey guys I see some of you have a piece of what looks like 1 x 1 behind the
cowl support that is bent the same radius. Then I see some of you have
placed what looks like 1 x 1 in between the cowl support and the panel.
Those that have the bent radius what was the method to you madness. It
looks nice and seems as if it would give great support the cowl when it is
laid.
Bill
N424BK
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309570#309570
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Bill, I used 1/4" fir strips from Lowes, my deck is 2" higher than plans and
matched the forward cowls. A suggestion, don't do as I did and use 11
strips. I did so to smooth out the deck and Fireman Dan pointed out I added
a lot of weight to the rear of my ship, good advice. I drilled lightening
holes to help a little. See here http://textors.com/IMG_1949_640x427.jpg .
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck
Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the
answer to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I cant
seem to find what dimensions of the wood is height and width.
Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in the
back, I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a little
low.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Bill
N424BK
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309569#309569
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm Tucker |
I have an idea this is one Pietenpol that WILL get finished....
http://www.tuckerrice.net/index.htm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
>Sent: Aug 20, 2010 4:55 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hi, I'm Tucker
>
>
>Wow! 13 years old, and building yourself an airplane. Way to go!
>When I was your age, I was only building flying models.
>One good thing is that the Pietenpol is built just like a model airplane (just
on a bigger scale). In fact, the bigger scale is actually easier to work with
- except for those GIANT Tee-pins (just kidding).
>You and your grandfather are in for a fun ride.
>Welcome to the List!
>Keep us updated with your progress, and ask any questions that you might come
up with as you go.
>
>Bill C.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309579#309579
>
>
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
That's a neat picture....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
>Sent: Aug 20, 2010 6:54 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck
>
>
>Bill, I used 1/4" fir strips from Lowes, my deck is 2" higher than plans and
>matched the forward cowls. A suggestion, don't do as I did and use 11
>strips. I did so to smooth out the deck and Fireman Dan pointed out I added
>a lot of weight to the rear of my ship, good advice. I drilled lightening
>holes to help a little. See here http://textors.com/IMG_1949_640x427.jpg .
>Jack
>DSM
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran
>Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:57 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck
>
>
>Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the
>answer to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I cant
>seem to find what dimensions of the wood is height and width.
>
>Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in the
>back, I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a little
>low.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bill
>N424BK
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309569#309569
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm Tucker |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Welcome Tucker!
This is a great group of people that are a great resource for information
and support!
Have fun and keep us posted on the progress!
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309592#309592
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm Tucker |
Good to have a young man starting his Pietenpol.- You are a very fortunat
e person to be able to start your airplane at a young age.- The rest of u
s only dreamed of building a real airplane when we were 13, most of us were
still building models.- You will learn a lot while building. You will fi
nd practical uses for all that math you learn in school, and be able to app
ly it to something you like to do.- By the time you are half way done wit
h your Pietenpol, You will be teaching your high school shop teacher how to
do something (do they still have shop classes?).- If you need any help w
ith the corvair, I will help you the best I can, if I do not know the answe
r, I will tell you I don't know.- Like Ryan M. said, get William Wynne's
manual, and study it.- Do your research, and decide for sure you like the
corvair.- You can decide later in your build which engine to use.- Kee
p on truck'n, Tucker, you'll be flying befor you know it!
-
Shad
-
-=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Made my rear turtle deck 3" higher and both instrument boards 2" higher. As
shown in the Bingelis books you don't want your shoulder harness attach
point too low.
rick
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 2:56 PM, bcolleran wrote:
>
> Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the
> answer to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I cant
> seem to find what dimensions of the wood is height and width.
>
> Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in the
> back, I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a little
> low.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
> N424BK
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309569#309569
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
If you raise the turtle deck, you may have a greater need for the flop.
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| Subject: | Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? |
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
Some users receive the digest once a day. In order to respond, they in essence
send an email to the list and the subject line becomes the title to a new topic.
If you're viewing the list online by actually visiting the website, then
you can "reply" to the message within the topic. Two methods and two results.
When responding to the digest it is not apparent that you are creating a new
topic.
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| Subject: | Plnas came in !! |
| From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
Went over to my Dad's house and we looked over the plans and read over the book.
I'm sooo excited that we have the plans now.
Now we gata start making some saw dust 8)
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm Tucker |
Great to see a young man interested in using his hands. I wish more young people
would do so. Then I could be sure that someone would become a Machinist and
help keep my old Bonanza in the air.
Check out this site about the image of manual labor in America.
http://www.ratzenberger.com/index.php
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From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, August 21, 2010 4:34
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hi, I'm Tucker
> Good to have a young man starting his Pietenpol. You are a very
> fortunate person to be able to start your airplane at a young
> age. The rest of us only dreamed of building a real airplane when
> we were 13, most of us were still building models. You will learn
> a lot while building. You will find practical uses for all that
> math you learn in school, and be able to apply it to something you
> like to do. By the time you are half way done with your
> Pietenpol, You will be teaching your high school shop teacher how
> to do something (do they still have shop classes?). If you need
> any help with the corvair, I will help you the best I can, if I do
> not know the answer, I will tell you I don't know. Like Ryan M.
> said, get William Wynne's manual, and study it. Do your research,
> and decide for sure you like the corvair. You can decide later in
> your build which engine to use. Keep on truck'n, Tucker, you'll
> be flying befor you know it!
>
> Shad
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
If you raise the deck and cowlings you will want to consider extending the
center section struts. Otherwise she will be plenty hard to get in the
front pit;
Jack
DSM
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Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck
Made my rear turtle deck 3" higher and both instrument boards 2" higher. As
shown in the Bingelis books you don't want your shoulder harness attach
point too low.
rick
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 2:56 PM, bcolleran wrote:
Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the
answer to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I cant
seem to find what dimensions of the wood is height and width.
Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in the
back, I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a little
low.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Bill
N424BK
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| Subject: | Re: Rust Protection Question |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
If the metal piece was not sealed I sprayed (or sloshed, if spraying wasn't practical)
primer on the inside. For sealed pieces I used the linseed oil.
Be careful: if you put linseed oil in a "sealed" part the linseed will find its
way out through any tiny holes over the course of weeks or months and will cause
complications during painting. I had that happen on one or two pieces, however,
I cleaned the parts really well prior to spraying and didn't have too much
trouble.
If you can paint the outside of the part prior to adding the oil you'd avoid the
problem. Given the sequence of fabrication, though, that's usually not practical.
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Plnas came in !! |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Measure Twice, cut once.
Pieti Lowell
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rust Protection Question |
Thanks for the note Kevin, that's what I plan to do...
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rust Protection Question
If the metal piece was not sealed I sprayed (or sloshed, if spraying wasn't
practical) primer on the inside. For sealed pieces I used the linseed oil.
Be careful: if you put linseed oil in a "sealed" part the linseed will find
its way out through any tiny holes over the course of weeks or months and
will cause complications during painting. I had that happen on one or two
pieces, however, I cleaned the parts really well prior to spraying and
didn't have too much trouble.
If you can paint the outside of the part prior to adding the oil you'd avoid
the problem. Given the sequence of fabrication, though, that's usually not
practical.
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Has anyone flying used a cork/rod type gauge successfully in their center
section tank? Was wondering if you can see it while strapped in.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Rust Protection Question |
| From: | "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net> |
Bare metal. Epoxy primer before painting is hard to beat.
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| Subject: | Re: Cork Fuel Guage |
| From: | "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net> |
My sight glass hangs down below the wing. I don't have a picture but I did find
this from flying-squirrel that is similar to mine. Easy to see while flying.
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| From: | Harvey Rule <harvey.rule(at)bell.net> |
I have been using just such a gauge now for 5 years and I find it to be qui
te satisfactory. I would however suggest using a small tube in the gas cap
to keep the rod from leaning over as mine does all the time.
Someday I'm going to change that and fix it. I did measure and paint the en
d of the rod white to indicate when I am running low on fuel. I gave myself
a few extra gallons before total empty. just to be on the safe side.You ma
y want more.Just paint lower for more fuel at the end.
From: jack(at)textors.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cork Fuel Guage
Date: Sat=2C 21 Aug 2010 15:20:36 -0500
Has anyone flying used a cork/rod type gauge successfully in their center s
ection tank? Was wondering if you can see it while strapped in.
Thanks=2C
Jack
DSM
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
I've got one. Why would you have trouble seeing it?
See it hanging down in front of the fornt cockpit windshield?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 4:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cork Fuel Guage
Has anyone flying used a cork/rod type gauge successfully in their center
section tank? Was wondering if you can see it while strapped in.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm Tucker |
| From: | "gtche98" <garywilson213(at)yahoo.com> |
dfwplt wrote:
> I have an idea this is one Pietenpol that WILL get finished....
>
> http://www.tuckerrice.net/index.htm
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Clicking through to Captain Al's website removes any doubt that this Piet will
get built. Impressive...
http://www.captalrice.com/
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Front fitting access, center section |
I was planning on ply wood sheeting my center section front, up to the firs
t spar both top and bottom. This would encase the front wing attach fitting
s with no access. (bolt check, corrosion, etc.)- How did you guys sheet/c
over that forward area?
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Cork Fuel Guage |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Jack,
I think Jack T meant a Cub-type gauge with the wire sticking out of the fue
l
cap, on the top of the wing tank.
I think Bill Rewey may have done that with his, and I think Kevin has that
setup on his Piet. Isn't that what the Hello Kitty mirror is for, Kevin? :
)
Ryan
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Jack Phillips wrot
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> I=92ve got one. Why would you have trouble seeing it?
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> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jack
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 21, 2010 4:21 PM
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> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Cork Fuel Guage
>
>
> Has anyone flying used a cork/rod type gauge successfully in their center
> section tank? Was wondering if you can see it while strapped in.
>
> Thanks,
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> Jack
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> DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Cork Fuel Guage |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Jack as Ryan said I meant on top of the c-section
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 21, 2010, at 4:26 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote:
> I=99ve got one. Why would you have trouble seeing it?
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> See it hanging down in front of the fornt cockpit windshield?
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> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 4:21 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cork Fuel Guage
>
> Has anyone flying used a cork/rod type gauge successfully in their center s
ection tank? Was wondering if you can see it while strapped in.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm Tucker |
| From: | "Tucker" <Tucker(at)tuckerrice.net> |
Wow! Thanks for the support and advice from everyone. Captain (my grandpa) said
that we can stop by Brodhead on the way to Oshkosh next year. Should be very
cool to see all the Pietenpols there. Starting on the fuselage and metal brackets
when our order comes in from Aircraft Spruce.
Tucker
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Front fitting access, center section |
Just the top. No need to do the bottom.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 2:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front fitting access, center section
I was planning on ply wood sheeting my center section front, up to the first
spar both top and bottom. This would encase the front wing attach fittings
with no access. (bolt check, corrosion, etc.) How did you guys sheet/cover
that forward area?
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm Tucker |
| From: | "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net> |
gtche98 wrote:
>
> dfwplt wrote:
> > I have an idea this is one Pietenpol that WILL get finished....
> >
> > http://www.tuckerrice.net/index.htm
> >
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> > --
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>
> Clicking through to Captain Al's website removes any doubt that this Piet will
get built. Impressive...
>
> http://www.captalrice.com/
That's just what I was thinking too. Go get'm Tucker!
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Dan Plett
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| Subject: | Re: Cork Fuel Guage |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Jack - I use the wire float gage. I have a small mirror in the cockpit on a lanyard
(hello kitty - kids go nuts for it). I fly by time so I don't usually use
the mirror, but, I do use it to make sure the gas cap is on before I take off
after refuel. I also use it to make sure I've got gas if I'm giving rides
and am not keeping track of time.
I drilled a hole in the cap and epoxied in a brass male-to-male hose connector
from the hardware store to serve as a guide for the wire gage, thus avoiding the
floppy-wire-problem.
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Center Section Cork Fuel Gauge |
OK, now I'm confused...
How do you install a wire/float gauge in a center section tank? I didn't
know that was possible.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 7:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cork Fuel Guage
Jack - I use the wire float gage. I have a small mirror in the cockpit on a
lanyard (hello kitty - kids go nuts for it). I fly by time so I don't
usually use the mirror, but, I do use it to make sure the gas cap is on
before I take off after refuel. I also use it to make sure I've got gas if
I'm giving rides and am not keeping track of time.
I drilled a hole in the cap and epoxied in a brass male-to-male hose
connector from the hardware store to serve as a guide for the wire gage,
thus avoiding the floppy-wire-problem.
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
It looks like you are located in South Florida. If you ever get up to
Central Florida, I can show you my Pietenpol. Its located at X21 in
Titusville.
Ben Charvet
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm Tucker |
Welcome to the list Tucker. Sounds like you have a lot of will and a lot of
support at home. If I can assist in anyway, please feel free to contact me
.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Center Section Cork Fuel Gauge |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
I drilled a hole in the cap and run the float wire through that.
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Center Section Cork Fuel Gauge |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
I guess I thought that that would suck fuel out, being on the low pressure side...guess
I was wrong!?
Gary Boothe
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From: Kevin Purtee
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Center Section Cork Fuel Gauge
Sent: Aug 22, 2010 10:15 AM
I drilled a hole in the cap and run the float wire through that.
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Center Section Cork Fuel Gauge |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Gary - Forgot to mention in my e-mail: if the tank's full and the runway's bumpy
the fuel will spew a bit out the float guide during the ground roll. If the
ground's smooth or the tank's not completely full it doesn't happen.
I don't think there's siphoning due to pressure differential. The fit between
the float guide and the wire is pretty tight. There's not a lot of room for liquid
to get sucked out.
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Plnas came in !! |
| From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks Dan,
Sorry we missed it, but our schedules just didn't work out.
We do have a line on a corvair motor. We are supposed to go over and help my buddie's
Dad tear down an old corvair, and he said we could have the engine. So
I suppose that's the next step.
We are also still trying to decide what our best option for wood is.
We could save money if we buy from this place in Madison.
But we could save time, if we order from Aircraft Spruce. Seeing how it's already
pre selected wood.
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| Subject: | Re: Center Section Cork Fuel Gauge |
| From: | "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net> |
Or you could put the sight glass out the bottom of the tank,,, Easy to see. This
one is similar to mine.
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| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm Tucker |
| From: | "Tucker" <Tucker(at)tuckerrice.net> |
Thanks for the offer Mr. Charvet. I'll start bugging Captain for a trip to Titusville.
I have time in a J-3, Lake Amphib, C-172, and Remos G-3 but I can't
log dual time until I'm 14. Captain says that learning to fly in a taildragger
is the best way to learn to fly properly. A ride in your Piet would be a blast.
I'll let you know when we can get up there. Thanks again.
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | corvair engine comes alive |
This weekend I was able to get my engine running. We ran it several times over
the two days. This run was done at the end of today just to get a quick video
to share with you guys.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 22, 2010, at 5:02 PM, "Tucker" wrote:
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> Thanks for the offer Mr. Charvet. I'll start bugging Captain for a trip to Titusville.
I have time in a J-3, Lake Amphib, C-172, and Remos G-3 but I can't
log dual time until I'm 14. Captain says that learning to fly in a taildragger
is the best way to learn to fly properly. A ride in your Piet would be a
blast. I'll let you know when we can get up there. Thanks again.
>
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Corvair engine run |
Ok. I forgot the link. Here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsoECVtN7p4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 22, 2010, at 5:02 PM, "Tucker" wrote:
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> Thanks for the offer Mr. Charvet. I'll start bugging Captain for a trip t
o Titusville. I have time in a J-3, Lake Amphib, C-172, and Remos G-3 but I
can't log dual time until I'm 14. Captain says that learning to fly in a t
aildragger is the best way to learn to fly properly. A ride in your Piet wo
uld be a blast. I'll let you know when we can get up there. Thanks again.
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine run |
Hi Mike and Vic,
Great job and it sounds and looks like it is running fine. Congratulations.
Jim B.
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From: "Michael Groah" <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 5:30:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine run
Ok. I forgot the link. Here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsoECVtN7p4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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Thanks for the offer Mr. Charvet. =C2-I'll start bugging Captain for a tr
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G-3 but I can't log dual time until I'm 14. =C2-Captain says that learni
ng to fly in a taildragger is the best way to learn to fly properly. =C2-
A ride in your Piet would be a blast. =C2-I'll let you know when we can g
et up there. =C2-Thanks again.
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine run |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Oh thats sweet! Made me go right out and glue some more of my rudder! What carb
are you using?
Thanks for sharing!
Scotty
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine run |
That's outstanding! Congrats.....
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From: Michael Groah
Sent: Aug 22, 2010 7:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine run
Ok. I forgot the link. Here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsoECVtN7p4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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On Aug 22, 2010, at 5:02 PM, "Tucker" wrote:
Thanks for the offer Mr. Charvet. I'll start bugging Captain for a trip to Titusville.
I have time in a J-3, Lake Amphib, C-172, and Remos G-3 but I can't
log dual time until I'm 14. Captain says that learning to fly in a taildragger
is the best way to learn to fly properly. A ride in your Piet would be a blast.
I'll let you know when we can get up there. Thanks again.
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Wood Steamer |
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I build this steamer and just though-I would share it with the group. I u
sed a Wagner power wall paper steamer and a 36" double wall insulated vent
pipe found at the local hardware store. I cut one of the steamer plates apa
rt and salvaged the threaded end for the connection into the vent pipe. I d
ropped the threaded salvage end into the pipe where I made an entry hole bi
g enough to take the threads. I then attached the 7 foot hose that comes wi
th the steamer. I used a insert cap for the top end and drilled 5 holes lar
ge enough to take the cap strip. Plugged the bottom end with a round piece
of wood and then added flashing to give it stability. A few screws to hole
everything together and a base piece of wood to keep it upright and stable.
The wagner power steamer hold up to 1 gallon of water.
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It works fantastic!-A test run-was-done. Results:-10 minutes from s
tart to bending jig.So far it steams-very-fast! I covered the top with
a rag just to keep the steam in and made the rag untouchable!
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This steamer my seem a bit much but-I plan on doing many other things tha
t require bending wood.
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KMHeide
Hawley, MN
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine run |
Thanks everyone. And for those that didn't see it yet I reloaded it on YouTube
so now it has it's preview pic and should work better. I also trimmed the length
a little.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_e_ZFUjSxs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Mike Groah
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 22, 2010, at 6:06 PM, Jim Markle wrote:
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> That's outstanding! Congrats.....
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Groah
> Sent: Aug 22, 2010 7:30 PM
> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine run
>
>
> Ok. I forgot the link. Here it is
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsoECVtN7p4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
>
>
> Mike Groah
> Tulare CA
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> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 22, 2010, at 5:02 PM, "Tucker" wrote:
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> Thanks for the offer Mr. Charvet. I'll start bugging Captain for a trip to Titusville.
I have time in a J-3, Lake Amphib, C-172, and Remos G-3 but I can't
log dual time until I'm 14. Captain says that learning to fly in a taildragger
is the best way to learn to fly properly. A ride in your Piet would be a
blast. I'll let you know when we can get up there. Thanks again.
>
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> Tucker
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| Subject: | Re: Plnas came in !! |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Regarding your potential Corvair core....you will want to check the engine
code to determine if the engine is suitable for conversion for aircraft use.
Ideally you want to find a 1965-69 95 to 110 HP engine that does not have
"smog" heads. You can use every part of an engine that has smog heads,
except for the cylinder heads. You would need to find a good set of non-smog
heads. Pat Panzera has posted a list of engines codes at his Corvaircraft
site:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/CorvAIRCRAFT/VinSuffix.html
<http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/CorvAIRCRAFT/VinSuffix.html>As noted in the
chart, here are the various codes you can use:
65-69 95 to 110, usable heads: RA, RD, RE, RF, RG, RX, RH, RJ, RK
65-69 95 to 110, heads are not usable: RS, RU, RV, RW, AC, AD
You can also use certain 1964 model years engines, if they have a crankshaft
with an 8409 number cast into it. If you find an engine with the following
codes you will need to disassemble it to the point of removing the top cover
so you can inspect the number on the crank. If it is any number besides 8409
then the engine is no good for aircraft conversion:
YC, YN, YL, YM, Z, ZH, ZF, ZD, ZG
There are additional codes for 140 HP engines that can be converted for use,
but you have to find different cylinder heads and either get a different
crank or swap out the retarded crank gear that comes on those cranks. There
are issues with swapping cylinder heads from '64 to '65-'69 engines (but it
can be done), and there are also head casting numbers that will help
determine if the heads are suitable for use:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/CorvAIRCRAFT/HeadNumbers.html
<http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/CorvAIRCRAFT/HeadNumbers.html>All of that info
and more is in William Wynne's conversion manual, which you should get a
copy of if you intend to use a Corvair. You will also need the "Green
Manual":
http://www.themotorbookstore.com/1965corvair.html
You can get reprints, or find originals on eBay in the same price range.
The easiest thing to do would be to find an engine with a code that means it
is a 1965-69 95-110HP engine with usable heads. Go ahead and take any engine
that is free...if nothing else it will give you practice tearing one down,
and there are miscellaneous parts here and there that are usable.
Good luck,
Ryan
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 5:46 PM, j_dunavin wrote:
>
> Thanks Dan,
> Sorry we missed it, but our schedules just didn't work out.
>
> We do have a line on a corvair motor. We are supposed to go over and help
> my buddie's Dad tear down an old corvair, and he said we could have the
> engine. So I suppose that's the next step.
>
> We are also still trying to decide what our best option for wood is.
> We could save money if we buy from this place in Madison.
> But we could save time, if we order from Aircraft Spruce. Seeing how it's
> already pre selected wood.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309795#309795
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| Subject: | re: Wood steamer |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Ken,
That steamer is GREAT! You should offer those for sale. I wonder if there
is anything out there for sale close to this?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: re: Wood steamer |
Thanks Dan....
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I can say this....it works fantastic and man can it steam in 10 minutes! It
cost about $60.00 and was worth every penny so far!
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Ken H
Hawley, MN
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--- On Mon, 8/23/10, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: re: Wood steamer
Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 6:40 AM
Hi Ken,
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That steamer is GREAT! You should offer those for sale. I wonder if there i
s anything out there for sale close to this?
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Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | great photo web site to 80th Pietenpol Anniversary gathering |
a Bhead and OSH
I had forgotten about this site.
Wow are there ever some nice photos of all the Piets from 2009 here thanks
to David Brant who took the photos and posted them. Thanks David !
http://public.fotki.com/dwbrant/fancies-of-flight/pietenpol-80th-anni/
Mike C.
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm Tucker |
>>> "Tucker" Tucker(at)tuckerrice.net> 8/20/2010 4:32 PM >> ( mailto:Tucker@tu
ckerrice.net )
I just joined the list, I'm 13 and building a Pietenpol. My grandfather
built a Skybolt and RV-9A and is helping me.
Tucker:
Seeing your post is a real joy to me. I have been wanting to fly since I
was a kid but I was actually 54 years old before I had the chance to get
my pilot's license. Now I am building my own Air Camper with occasional
help from my grandson and granddaughter ( 7 & 5 years old) and I can't
wait for that first time I get to fly with them in my own plane. I hope
they get as excited about it as you seem to be! Be sure to let your
grandfather (Captain) know just how much you appreciate him!
In my case the help usually goes the other way though. Both my boys work
for Burt Rutan out in Mojave, CA and are currently on the SpaceShipTwo
project. When they get to come home for a visit they always come out to
the shop and critique my work and usually take back a part or two that
they want to redo or help me out with. So when SpaceShip Zero.One is
completed it will be the work of three generations of airplane lovers.
If you're ever out Kansas way, give a shout and I'll introduce you to some
of our beautiful Kansas scenery.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS
N328X
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| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
I was curious if anyone has a recent list of builders. My airplane is has been
slow to start this summer with the Texas heat, but I want to keep up my enthusiasm
to get my bird flying. I do travel quite a bit around the country and would
love to see some "Piets in progress". If anyone has a list, could you please
e-mail it to me or post it here. Thanks!
Curtis Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Tail Feathers ruffled
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: re: Wood steamer |
They have those at harbor freight for much less, I think they were $24.99
you must have missed the sale!
Don not archive
In a message dated 8/23/2010 8:23:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com writes:
Thanks Dan....
I can say this....it works fantastic and man can it steam in 10 minutes!
It cost about $60.00 and was worth every penny so far!
Ken H
Hawley, MN
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From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: re: Wood steamer
Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 6:40 AM
Hi Ken,
That steamer is GREAT! You should offer those for sale. I wonder if there
is anything out there for sale close to this?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm Tucker |
Tucker,
Congratulations on choosing to build a Pietenpol. It's a great little
airplane. The best I've ever flown. I'm sure there are better planes,
but probably not nearly as economical to fly.
Another builder, Ty Daniels, started building his Pietenpol when he was
in high school and finished it shortly after graduating. He built a
fantastic plane that is one of the lightest Piets I know of: 640lbs with
8 gallons of fuel. It climbs like a rocket and looks really cool:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/new_page_54.htm
Stick to the plans, build a little bit every day, and have fun!
Good luck!
Dan
On 08/20/2010 04:32 PM, Tucker wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Tucker"
>
> I just joined the list, I'm 13 and building a Pietenpol. My grandfather built
a Skybolt and RV-9A and is helping me. Been looking at the Pietenpols at Oshkosh
for the past 5 years and when we got home this year, we decided to go for
it. I got the plans from Mr. Pietenpol and just got a Corvair engine. We spent
yesterday and today tearing it down. I'm really excited about getting started.
I need to order Mr. Wynne's Corvair book. Here's a picture.
>
> --------
> Tucker
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309576#309576
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0007_154.jpg
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Picture attachment sizes (was Fw: Wood Steamer) |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
You could try a photo resizer like this one I found at CNET. It will do batch
jobs or individual files. It is fairly self-explanatory if you play with it for
a minute.
http://download.cnet.com/windows/3055-2192_4-10319476.html?tag=pdl-redir
--------
Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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| Subject: | Re: Empennage and rib wood questions |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Welcome to the list Tom, you will find tons of help and encouragement here from
some very knowledgeable & friendly people on this list. To answer your question,
the wood sizes listed in the Aircraft Spruce and Wicks catalogs (and websites)
is the actual size as you order it. 1/4"x1/2" capstrip and 1"x1" longeron
stock will arrive at your door milled to those actual dimensions. So now you
just need to figure out how much wood you need for your first order and get
on the phone first thing tomorrow so you can start making airplane parts soon!
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Curtis,
I'm working on a director as we speak. So far the response has been average
with 26 responding. If you would like to include your information in the
directory, please fill out the attached Word document and return to my home
email jack (at) textors.com. Just include the information you wish. I
won't plan to post it to my site or any other. After I compile the
information, I will make it available via email in some form to all that
shared their information.
So far those responding include: Rusch, Wilson, Dotson, Markle, Chouinard,
Jardine, , Borsuk, Mason, Gow, Stinemetze, Phillips, Howe, Davis, Schomp,
Chase, Dever, Cardinal, Perez, Singleton, Morlock, Magnusson, Coxwell,
Granos, Zuniga, Perry
No matter what the response I will get it out within the next week.
Hope this helps
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Builder List
I was curious if anyone has a recent list of builders. My airplane is has
been slow to start this summer with the Texas heat, but I want to keep up my
enthusiasm to get my bird flying. I do travel quite a bit around the
country and would love to see some "Piets in progress". If anyone has a
list, could you please e-mail it to me or post it here. Thanks!
Curtis Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Tail Feathers ruffled
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309886#309886
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Thanks for your efforts Jack.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
--- On Mon, 8/23/10, Jack wrote:
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Builder List
Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 8:50 PM
Curtis,
I'm working on a director as we speak.- So far the response has been aver
age
with 26 responding.- If you would like to include your information in the
directory, please fill out the attached Word document and return to my home
email jack (at) textors.com.- Just include the information you wish.- I
won't plan to post it to my site or any other.- After I compile the
information, I will make it available via email in some form to all that
shared their information.
So far those responding include: Rusch, Wilson, Dotson, Markle, Chouinard,
Jardine, , Borsuk, Mason, Gow, Stinemetze, Phillips, Howe, Davis, Schomp,
Chase, Dever, Cardinal, Perez, Singleton, Morlock, Magnusson, Coxwell,
Granos, Zuniga, Perry
No matter what the response I will get it out within the next week.
Hope this helps
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:59 AM
Subject:- Pietenpol-List: Builder List
I was curious if anyone has a recent list of builders.- My airplane is ha
s
been slow to start this summer with the Texas heat, but I want to keep up m
y
enthusiasm to get my bird flying.- I do travel quite a bit around the
country and would love to see some "Piets in progress".- If anyone has a
list, could you please e-mail it to me or post it here.- Thanks!
Curtis Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Tail Feathers ruffled
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| Subject: | Re: Plnas came in !! |
| From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
oh ya, that's the place, but they want $20 a board ft. NO WAY!
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| Subject: | Re: Empennage and rib wood questions |
| From: | "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net> |
I believe S4S means "Sanded 4 Sides"
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Builder List |
----- Original Message ----
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 8:50:35 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Builder List
Curtis,
I'm working on a director as we speak. So far the response has been average
with 26 responding. If you would like to include your information in the
directory, please fill out the attached Word document and return to my home
email jack (at) textors.com. Just include the information you wish. I
won't plan to post it to my site or any other. After I compile the
information, I will make it available via email in some form to all that
shared their information.
So far those responding include: Rusch, Wilson, Dotson, Markle, Chouinard,
Jardine, , Borsuk, Mason, Gow, Stinemetze, Phillips, Howe, Davis, Schomp,
Chase, Dever, Cardinal, Perez, Singleton, Morlock, Magnusson, Coxwell,
Granos, Zuniga, Perry
No matter what the response I will get it out within the next week.
Hope this helps
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Builder List
I was curious if anyone has a recent list of builders. My airplane is has
been slow to start this summer with the Texas heat, but I want to keep up my
enthusiasm to get my bird flying. I do travel quite a bit around the
country and would love to see some "Piets in progress". If anyone has a
list, could you please e-mail it to me or post it here. Thanks!
Curtis Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Tail Feathers ruffled
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309886#309886
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Builders near Dallas |
Curtis,
Jeff Hill, up in The Colony area, was building two Piets up at Tailwind (I think
that's the name of the airport)...excellent craftsman and would be a good one
to visit...but he may have finished them by now....he was moving right along
and I haven't seen him in several years.
I sent him a message to see what's up and will forward whatever I hear back....
jm
>
>I was curious if anyone has a recent list of builders. My airplane is has
>been slow to start this summer with the Texas heat, but I want to keep up my
>enthusiasm to get my bird flying. I do travel quite a bit around the
>country and would love to see some "Piets in progress". If anyone has a
>list, could you please e-mail it to me or post it here. Thanks!
>
>Curtis Merdan
>Flower Mound, TX
>Tail Feathers ruffled
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309886#309886
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Builders near Dallas |
| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
Jim,
Thanks for checking in on another builder close to me. Next week I'm making a
road trip to Austin to see Kevin Purtee and Tim Willis to steal some trade secrets.
The Colony is a lot closer and I could see Jeff's planes very easily.
Thanks again,
Curtis
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| From: | "allen(at)allenrice.net" <allen(at)allenrice.net> |
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| Subject: | Looking for a piet |
| From: | "taildragger21" <taildragger22003(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello guys.. First post here.I am trying to get back into flying after a 7 year
slump.. I have totally fell in love with the nostalgia, simplicity, afforadbillity
of the air camper. My BIG problem is I dont have much time at all to build..
Does anyone have a flying one or a project for sale?? Eather way could get
me there faster.. Regards, chad.
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a piet |
Hi Chad,
There are 2 genuine Piets for sale on barnstormers.com - one's powered
by a Ford Model B and the other is powered by a Ford Model A.
There's also a GN-1 on there that is a project plane - the engine would
have to be torn down and magnafluxed (one or two prop strikes occurred
in the recent past) as well as a bunch of fuselage work needs to be done.
And there's another one that is called a Pietenpol, but it just... ain't.
I think there's another Ford Model A powered one in DeKalb, IL that
might still be for sale.
Where are you located?
Dan
On 08/24/2010 10:58 AM, taildragger21 wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "taildragger21"
>
> Hello guys.. First post here.I am trying to get back into flying after a 7 year
slump.. I have totally fell in love with the nostalgia, simplicity, afforadbillity
of the air camper. My BIG problem is I dont have much time at all to build..
Does anyone have a flying one or a project for sale?? Eather way could
get me there faster.. Regards, chad.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310004#310004
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a piet |
.used to be a sky scout on there too. I kinda had my eye on it, but never
could find the extra dough to buy it. It was owned by a fellow in Florida I
think named Brian Kraut (ya'll correct me) It was a completed plane, that I
think had some issues with the 2.2 Chrysler engine installed. Asking price
was like $3700 I think.
Boyce
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a piet |
| From: | "taildragger21" <taildragger22003(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks for the replies guys. I am in ky.. I saw those on barnstormers. I have searched
the net high and low.. I found a "project" for 6k that had a cont a65
on it but has been setting unused for at least 10 years.. I personally am scared
of those being more trouble and money than just building one.. I would also
rather have an a65-0200 rather than the model a engine.. Saw the bumped up one
on barnstormers. Man that guy has had bad luck.. [Laughing] Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a piet |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
This one might still be for sale. New ceconite/top overhaul '07. Asking 10.5k last
time I checked. Call him and see if it's not sold yet.. Henry 740-269-1194
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a piet |
| From: | "taildragger21" <taildragger22003(at)yahoo.com> |
Also an unfinished project would be ideal if not a flying one..
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a piet |
| From: | "taildragger21" <taildragger22003(at)yahoo.com> |
Wow thanks!! Thats nice!! I will call and see later. Thanks, chad.
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a piet |
For what it's worth, that's a GN-1 with a... a... what the heck engine
is that?!?? The exhaust ports are on top of the cylinders. Maybe it's
a GPU. Looks like the builder got tired and didn't bother to put the
wingtip bows on. But, he did a good job on the paint.
On 08/24/2010 12:14 PM, TriScout wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "TriScout"
>
> This one might still be for sale. New ceconite/top overhaul '07. Asking 10.5k
last time I checked. Call him and see if it's not sold yet.. Henry 740-269-1194
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a piet |
Is that harry clever field in New Philadelphia Ohio???
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Shad
For what it's worth, that's a GN-1 with a... a... what the heck engine
is that?!??- The exhaust ports are on top of the cylinders.- Maybe it's
a GPU.- Looks like the builder got tired and didn't bother to put the
wingtip bows on.- But, he did a good job on the paint.
On 08/24/2010 12:14 PM, TriScout wrote:
> -->- Pietenpol-List message posted by: "TriScout"
>
> This one might still be for sale. New ceconite/top overhaul '07. Asking 1
0.5k last time I checked. Call him and see if it's not sold yet.. Henry 740
-269-1194
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| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a piet |
If that is clever field, it's a very old picture, the hangar has not
looked like that for at least 10 years, when I moved up here.
Maybe he managed to mount the engine upside down somehow? :)
Kip Gardner
On Aug 24, 2010, at 2:10 PM, shad bell wrote:
> Is that harry clever field in New Philadelphia Ohio??? :)
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> Shad
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> For what it's worth, that's a GN-1 with a... a... what the heck engine
> is that?!?? The exhaust ports are on top of the cylinders. Maybe
it's
> a GPU. Looks like the builder got tired and didn't bother to put the
> wingtip bows on. But, he did a good job on the paint.
>
>
> On 08/24/2010 12:14 PM, TriScout wrote:
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
"TriScout"
> >
> > This one might still be for sale. New ceconite/top overhaul '07.
Asking 10.5k last time I checked. Call him and see if it's not sold
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a piet, # 2 is getting close |
I think it is an old A-50 Cont.- I believe the OLD cont's had a top exaus
t.- But I ain't sure, besides I am flying a car engine what do I know. ha
ha .- I think I saw an old taylorcraft, or chief one time years ago, and
it had a top exaust continental.- By the way, number 2 is probably going
to be here within the week, odds must be 80 to 1 that I make Lee Bottm's F
ly in.- If only Jake would sit still, and had some tiny ear muffs........
maybe he could sit on my lap for 2 hrs, maby the car seat will strap in to
the front cockpit........have you ever been in a turkish prison?.....
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| Subject: | Re: Empennage and rib wood questions |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
You are close, Adrian... S4S means Surfaced 4 Sides. The surfacing is normally
done with planers and edgers, not sanding machines. Planers and edgers use
cutting blades which provide a suitable surface finish and last a lot longer in
a production setting than abrasives would, and the wood does not need to be
as smooth as if it were sanded. Interior grade and aircraft grade plywood ARE
sanded, though.
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a piet |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
I think some engine guru told me the "exhaust ontop" version is actually a Cont
A-50(?)..which is basically an A-65, but w/exhaust ports ontop. I was going to
go up and buy this one, until I bought the GN-1 in FL w/out an engine. I thought
it'd be fun for me to have somewhat of a project (but not too much of a project),
rather than buying a flying one. It is in the for sale section in back
of April BPA mag. Super nice older fella that owns it. He doesn't do e-mail,
which is probably why he still has it. He did "snail-mail" me some pic's of it
and it has two doors on right side. Restored '07.. yes, that is when he flew
it to New Phila Arprt for b-fast he told me. he keeps it at his own grass strip
nearby(uncharted)... I last spoke to him about 5 weeks ago.. I would think
that he still has it. He was axing $10.5k .. maybe you can talk him down 6 or
8k.. who knows.. Larry
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
I'm settled in a little Texas hick town on East side of Dallas called "Garland"(like
judy).. well, I guess it's more like a Big hick town(the 'one headlight
capital' of the world). I just acquired a GN-1 sans motor, but will have one in
a couple of weeks. It isn't quite flyable yet, but ur welcome to come "check
out" in it when I get her airborn... Larry
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Plnas came in !! |
does it bother anybody that this thread has been going on for a week
with the subject line misspelled?
Ben
On 8/24/2010 7:43 AM, j_dunavin wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "j_dunavin"
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> oh ya, that's the place, but they want $20 a board ft. NO WAY!
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ben's Piet is Neat! |
Yes, thank you for finally commenting on it Ben. By the way I was looking a
t the pictures of your Piet on Chris' West Coast Piet site today; still thi
nk its a good looking plane.
Jim
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From: "Ben Charvet" <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:15:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plnas came in !!
=C2-=C2-does it bother anybody that this thread has been going on for a
week
with the subject line misspelled?
Ben
On 8/24/2010 7:43 AM, j_dunavin wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Empennage and rib wood questions |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Thanks for your reply. It's good information to have and I'll be adding up the
lengths of wood for my order which will be placed tomorrow. It's a pretty exciting
process, right from the beginning. Thanks again for your help. I'll accept
any other advice you might have.
Tom
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
We are up to 48, thanks all!
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 7:51 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Builder List
Curtis,
I'm working on a director as we speak. So far the response has been average
with 26 responding. If you would like to include your information in the
directory, please fill out the attached Word document and return to my home
email jack (at) textors.com. Just include the information you wish. I
won't plan to post it to my site or any other. After I compile the
information, I will make it available via email in some form to all that
shared their information.
So far those responding include: Rusch, Wilson, Dotson, Markle, Chouinard,
Jardine, , Borsuk, Mason, Gow, Stinemetze, Phillips, Howe, Davis, Schomp,
Chase, Dever, Cardinal, Perez, Singleton, Morlock, Magnusson, Coxwell,
Granos, Zuniga, Perry
No matter what the response I will get it out within the next week.
Hope this helps
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Builder List
I was curious if anyone has a recent list of builders. My airplane is has
been slow to start this summer with the Texas heat, but I want to keep up my
enthusiasm to get my bird flying. I do travel quite a bit around the
country and would love to see some "Piets in progress". If anyone has a
list, could you please e-mail it to me or post it here. Thanks!
Curtis Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Tail Feathers ruffled
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| Subject: | Re: Plnas came in !! |
| From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
[Laughing] hahaha ya I noticed that the other day, but no one had said anything
so i just left it alone.
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| From: | Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com> |
I've been wincing at the "plnas", too but there are so many posts with
misspellings in them on this list that I've become accustomed to it. My English
teacher Mother would be appalled.
Seems like the most mis-spelled word is HANGAR. It's typically posted as HANGER
which is something you hang something on, not a garage with an airplane in it.
I've also noticed another strange thing on the list; some people misspell
PIETENPOL and put GN-1 instead???? Maybe it's a cryptic abbreviation from Mr.
Pietenpol that I don't know about.
Oh, well. Back to my new high tech, super powerful almost finished power-plant!
(Working on the compressor section now.)
Larry W.
I drive a hybrid. It burns rubber and gasoline!
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| Subject: | Re: plnas came in |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
I have been wondering what "plnas" was in these emails, I thought it was the
name of some exotic aircraft. As far as misspellings go I am guilty of
spelling "Brodhead" as "Broadhead" several times.
rick
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:04 AM, Lawrence Williams wrote:
> I've been wincing at the "plnas", too but there are so many posts with
> misspellings in them on this list that I've become accustomed to it. My
> English teacher Mother would be appalled.
> Seems like the most mis-spelled word is HANGAR. It's typically posted as
> HANGER which is something you hang something on, not a garage with an
> airplane in it.
>
> I've also noticed another strange thing on the list; some people misspell
> PIETENPOL and put GN-1 instead???? Maybe it's a cryptic abbreviation from
> Mr. Pietenpol that I don't know about.
>
> Oh, well. Back to my new high tech, super powerful almost finished
> power-plant! (Working on the compressor section now.)
>
> Larry W.
>
> I drive a hybrid. It burns rubber and gasoline!
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Plnas came in !! |
| From: | "AlRice" <Allen(at)allenrice.net> |
Sheesh! And I was enjoying the humor.
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Al Rice
Skybolt 260
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Plnas came in !! |
Thats okay Al, there will be many more funny/mispelled words to partake I'm
sure.
Jim B.
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From: "AlRice" <Allen(at)allenrice.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:31:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plnas came in !!
Sheesh! =C2-And I was enjoying the humor.
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Skybolt 260
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Got an engine.. yippie! 'Don's dream Machines' out in GA.. is overhauling an A65-8
for my GN-1 and will be running her on a stand in next day or so. Very cheap/reasonable.
I'm glad, as the one that the previous owner took off the GN-1
airframe that I bought was a -8.
Now .. he did mention that he put the bigger piston pins(but not the 75 pistons)drilled
something(rod's), etc, etc... in the event that I convert it to 75hp
later. He thinks it's safe to run at higher rpm by getting smaller prop as an
"experimental" if I desire to do so, but me thinks me wants to play it safe and
get a 72x42pitch. Any thoughts on that...best prop?... especially from GN-1(w/A65)
folks? I would really like a wood prop...
Ler
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| Subject: | Cap strip length question |
| From: | "JGriff" <jgriffith19(at)comcast.net> |
I'm going to place an order for 1/4 x 1/2 cap strips from ACS. Will ordering them
cut to 60" long leave me enough length for the rib top cap strips? Seems like
there won't be a lot of extra if I order them at that length.
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cap strip length question |
The wing chord is 60 inches; you will need more than 60 inches in cap strip
length.
Jim B.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 3:26:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cap strip length question
I'm going to place an order for 1/4 x 1/2 cap strips from ACS. Will orderin
g them cut to 60" long leave me enough length for the rib top cap strips? S
eems like there won't be a lot of extra if I order them at that length.
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| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
The quicker you get the plane done the quicker we can meet for lunch somewhere
between dallas and austin. I'm just sayin...
:)
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
I have had very good, very fair service and prices from Don. In fact,
one time his bill was so low that when he told me the amount over the
phone, I thought he had missed a decimal place! Literally ten times
cheaper than what I had been quoted by others. On other things he's
not so inexpensive, but he's always at least competitive.
As to prop size, did Don know that this is going on a VERY high-drag
plane? As the list knows, my very limitede experience is that you're
better off with a long prop with less pitch versus the other way
around. Don tends to like to make things go fast and faster. He may
not appreciate our type of flying. Not casting aspersions, just
saying that there's horses for courses.
>
>Got an engine.. yippie! 'Don's dream Machines' out in GA.. is
>overhauling an A65-8 for my GN-1 and will be running her on a stand
>in next day or so. Very cheap/reasonable. I'm glad, as the one that
>the previous owner took off the GN-1 airframe that I bought was a -8.
>
>Now .. he did mention that he put the bigger piston pins(but not the
>75 pistons)drilled something(rod's), etc, etc... in the event that I
>convert it to 75hp later. He thinks it's safe to run at higher rpm
>by getting smaller prop as an "experimental" if I desire to do so,
>but me thinks me wants to play it safe and get a 72x42pitch. Any
>thoughts on that...best prop?... especially from GN-1(w/A65) folks?
>I would really like a wood prop...
>
>Ler
>
>
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Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Cap strip length question |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
If you order 100 lengths at 6 foot each you wont be doing too bad.
Scotty
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Cap strip length question |
My top one measured 60 3/16".....
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JGriff
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cap strip length question
I'm going to place an order for 1/4 x 1/2 cap strips from ACS. Will ordering
them cut to 60" long leave me enough length for the rib top cap strips?
Seems like there won't be a lot of extra if I order them at that length.
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| Subject: | Re: Cap strip length question |
| From: | "JGriff" <jgriffith19(at)comcast.net> |
I'll order them 6 feet. Not sure how I got 60 inches in my head - must be the sixes!
:)
Thanks for the help.
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
Probably when he said smaller prop he meant with less pitch. The
extra HP in an A-75 is mostly because it turns at 2600 rpm redline, and
this is done by using less pitch. I'm running a Sensenich 72X40 on my
A-65 and find that to be about perfect. Jack Phillips has the same prop
on his Piet. This prop in actually used on the J-3 as a climb prop.
Ben Charvet
>>
>> Now .. he did mention that he put the bigger piston pins(but not the
>> 75 pistons)drilled something(rod's), etc, etc... in the event that I
>> convert it to 75hp later. He thinks it's safe to run at higher rpm by
>> getting smaller prop as an "experimental" if I desire to do so, but
>> me thinks me wants to play it safe and get a 72x42pitch. Any thoughts
>> on that...best prop?... especially from GN-1(w/A65) folks? I would
>> really like a wood prop...
>>
>> Ler
>>
>>
>
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| From: | "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a piet |
According to the log book the engine is an A65-3, I think they came on some pre-war
Chief's. Ed and I stopped at New Philly on the way back from the Alliance
T-Craft fly in to look at this Piet(GN-1) for a friend. The plane has a good
general appearance, and paint job. It has steel tube tail feathers. The plane
has some issues. The biggest is since it is a Grega the back pit is smaller than
a Piet and this one has real thick foam in the seat back. Ed got in the pit
and it fit perfect, Ed is 5'3" and 135lbs. The Ailerons are warped and will need
at least recovering and maybe remade. One big red flag is the inside of the
fuse is painted black, so you can't get a good look at the wood or joints.
This plane does have potential, but you need to look at it real close and know
it needs some work.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Kip and Beth Gardner
Sent: 8/24/2010 2:49:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for a piet
If that is clever field, it's a very old picture, the hangar has not looked like
that for at least 10 years, when I moved up here.
Maybe he managed to mount the engine upside down somehow? :)
Kip Gardner
On Aug 24, 2010, at 2:10 PM, shad bell wrote:
Is that harry clever field in New Philadelphia Ohio??? :)
Shad
For what it's worth, that's a GN-1 with a... a... what the heck engine
is that?!?? The exhaust ports are on top of the cylinders. Maybe it's
a GPU. Looks like the builder got tired and didn't bother to put the
wingtip bows on. But, he did a good job on the paint.
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Continental A65 to A75 (was GN-1) |
Ler wrote:
>Don's dream Machines' out in GA.. is overhauling an A65-8
I'll use this as a launching pad to address a previous email
about the GN-1 with a Continental that had up exhaust on it.
There were three variants of the A50 that had up exhaust: the
-1, -2, and -3. Not likely to see many of those around. Most
likely it was one of the A65 variants that had up exhaust: the
-1, -3, or -6. The -1 had single ignition... not likely to
see many of those. The -6 had a starter. If you find one,
keep it... they're worth their weight in platinum. Same with
the A65-9, down exhaust with starter. Rare. There were also
variants of the A75 and A80 with up exhaust, the -3 and -6,
but it's most likely that the airplane in the photo has an up
exhaust variant of the A65 on it.
>he did mention that he put the bigger piston pins
The Continental factory A75 actually has *smaller* diameter
piston pins than the A65... 0.859", compared to 0.920" for the A65.
>(but not the 75 pistons)
The A65 and A75 both have 3-ring pistons and are the same bore,
Unless it was a very early 4-ring A65 piston. The only differences
between the A65 and A75 pistons is the diameter of the wrist
pins and the fact that the A75 pistons have a waffle face on
the underside to provide better cooling.
>drilled something (rod's)
Yes, the rods on the A75 have 1/16" holes drilled in the connecting
rod caps for better lubrication.
>He thinks it's safe to run at higher rpm by getting smaller prop
>as an "experimental" if I desire to do so
Maybe so. The one other main thing that the A75 has that the A65
doesn't are stellite-faced valves and a larger carb venturi.
>me thinks me wants to play it safe and get a 72x42 pitch.
Probably the better approach but it sounds like your engine will
be most of the way converted to a 75 as an experimental.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | engine downthrust |
Another engine question. The Pietenpol drawing for the
Continental engine mount shows zero offset in the port-
starboard direction and a downthrust resulting from 9/16"
difference between upper and lower mount points. My
airplane has a rudder trim tab on it but still pulls
to one side so I'm thinking of tweaking the engine
thrustline to see if some of that will trim out
without doing more to the trimtab.
On the downthrust, the engine mount on 41CC was built
with only 1/8" difference between upper and lower
mount points but I can add downthrust by using washers
on the upper mounts.
What have you other Air Camper/Continental pilots
found with setting up your engine thrust-line?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Maule tail wheel mounting |
I have a Maule tail wheel, recently acquired piece and am really not
certain how the spring mounting is built and connected to the fuse. Anyone have
any fitting or mounting drawings or location information pics or advice
they are willing to offer so I can get it mounted properly?
I am slowly moving towards getting her up on her wheels and would like to
have that phase completed before moving into 2010 and 2011 Buildapalooza in
December.
Please advise
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a piet |
| From: | "taildragger21" <taildragger22003(at)yahoo.com> |
skip.. Thanks for the info! This makes me curious now.. I was about to drive 7
hours one way to look at this.. Pictures always make things look better I guess
:( :) .. Should I reconsider driving up??
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310187#310187
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| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Maule tail wheel mounting |
I'd appreciate the same info for the same reason. Thanks!
KIp Gardner
On Aug 26, 2010, at 9:00 AM, AMsafetyC(at)aol.com wrote:
> I have a Maule tail wheel, recently acquired piece and am really not
certain how the spring mounting is built and connected to the fuse.
Anyone have any fitting or mounting drawings or location information
pics or advice they are willing to offer so I can get it mounted
properly?
>
> I am slowly moving towards getting her up on her wheels and would like
to have that phase completed before moving into 2010 and 2011
Buildapalooza in December.
>
> Please advise
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
>
>
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| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | ol-List:off topic - blatant self promotion |
Fellow Piet Listers
For those of you who are farmers, I'd like to announce that thanks to a
layoff, I've just started a new business, New Prosperity Agricultural
Consulting.
I specialize in high yield fruit & vegetable production, greenhouse &
high tunnel systems, organic certification assistance, soil improvement
strategies, produce marketing, and the growing system marketed by my
former employer (Filtrexx). I hope to have an independent rep agreement
with them by the 1st of the year as well.
Web site coming soon, in the meantime, if you are interested in learning
more, contact me off list at kipg1957(at)earthlink.net
Thanks!
Kip Gardner
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Continental A65 to A75 (was GN-1) |
This is the 3rd or 4th message I've seen singing the praises of Don's
Dream Machines. The first one I read was a few weeks ago on the Flybaby
list. A gent over there bought a - now get this - a 97hp A-65. I can
hear the astonished gasp from here. Yes, it's an experimental engine at
this point. Yes, the owner had to sign a bunch of indemnity paperwork.
The upshot is that it's an A-65 case with an O-200 crank, a high torque
cam and it redlines at 2575.
Here's the email thread:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flybabylist/message/9713
With a 70-52 McCauley prop his rate of climb is 1000+ fpm on his
Flybaby. I reckon it would be similar in a Piet with no passenger.
Dan
On 08/26/2010 07:50 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga
>
>
> Ler wrote:
>
>> Don's dream Machines' out in GA.. is overhauling an A65-8
>
> I'll use this as a launching pad to address a previous email
> about the GN-1 with a Continental that had up exhaust on it.
> There were three variants of the A50 that had up exhaust: the
> -1, -2, and -3. Not likely to see many of those around. Most
> likely it was one of the A65 variants that had up exhaust: the
> -1, -3, or -6. The -1 had single ignition... not likely to
> see many of those. The -6 had a starter. If you find one,
> keep it... they're worth their weight in platinum. Same with
> the A65-9, down exhaust with starter. Rare. There were also
> variants of the A75 and A80 with up exhaust, the -3 and -6,
> but it's most likely that the airplane in the photo has an up
> exhaust variant of the A65 on it.
>
>> he did mention that he put the bigger piston pins
>
> The Continental factory A75 actually has *smaller* diameter
> piston pins than the A65... 0.859", compared to 0.920" for the A65.
>
>> (but not the 75 pistons)
>
> The A65 and A75 both have 3-ring pistons and are the same bore,
> Unless it was a very early 4-ring A65 piston. The only differences
> between the A65 and A75 pistons is the diameter of the wrist
> pins and the fact that the A75 pistons have a waffle face on
> the underside to provide better cooling.
>
>> drilled something (rod's)
>
> Yes, the rods on the A75 have 1/16" holes drilled in the connecting
> rod caps for better lubrication.
>
>> He thinks it's safe to run at higher rpm by getting smaller prop
>> as an "experimental" if I desire to do so
>
> Maybe so. The one other main thing that the A75 has that the A65
> doesn't are stellite-faced valves and a larger carb venturi.
>
>> me thinks me wants to play it safe and get a 72x42 pitch.
>
> Probably the better approach but it sounds like your engine will
> be most of the way converted to a 75 as an experimental.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Maule tail wheel mounting |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
I think this is the standard way to do it. (Mike Cuy's method)
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/tailspring2.jpg
--------
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310197#310197
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| Subject: | Re: Maule tail wheel mounting |
| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
Thanks Chris.
Looks like you may be having server issues (or maybe I am?!?) - message came thru
5 times.
Kip Gardner
On Aug 26, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Catdesigns wrote:
>
> I think this is the standard way to do it. (Mike Cuy's method)
>
> http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/tailspring2.jpg
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310197#310197
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net> |
I'm running a Ed Sterba 72x42 on my A-65 and am getting great
performance. 3min. /1000 ft @ 3200rpm and cruise at 80mph at 2000rpm.
FYI- Roman Bukolt NX20795
On Aug 26, 2010, at 6:29 AM, Ben Charvet wrote:
> >
>
> Probably when he said smaller prop he meant with less pitch. The
> extra HP in an A-75 is mostly because it turns at 2600 rpm redline,
> and this is done by using less pitch. I'm running a Sensenich 72X40
> on my A-65 and find that to be about perfect. Jack Phillips has the
> same prop on his Piet. This prop in actually used on the J-3 as a
> climb prop.
>
> Ben Charvet
>>>
>>> Now .. he did mention that he put the bigger piston pins(but not
>>> the 75 pistons)drilled something(rod's), etc, etc... in the event
>>> that I convert it to 75hp later. He thinks it's safe to run at
>>> higher rpm by getting smaller prop as an "experimental" if I
>>> desire to do so, but me thinks me wants to play it safe and get a
>>> 72x42pitch. Any thoughts on that...best prop?... especially from
>>> GN-1(w/A65) folks? I would really like a wood prop...
>>>
>>> Ler
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
3200 Roman? Isn't that high?
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roman Bukolt
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
I'm running a Ed Sterba 72x42 on my A-65 and am getting great
performance. 3min. /1000 ft @ 3200rpm and cruise at 80mph at 2000rpm.
FYI- Roman Bukolt NX20795
On Aug 26, 2010, at 6:29 AM, Ben Charvet wrote:
> >
>
> Probably when he said smaller prop he meant with less pitch. The
> extra HP in an A-75 is mostly because it turns at 2600 rpm redline,
> and this is done by using less pitch. I'm running a Sensenich 72X40
> on my A-65 and find that to be about perfect. Jack Phillips has the
> same prop on his Piet. This prop in actually used on the J-3 as a
> climb prop.
>
> Ben Charvet
>>>
>>> Now .. he did mention that he put the bigger piston pins(but not
>>> the 75 pistons)drilled something(rod's), etc, etc... in the event
>>> that I convert it to 75hp later. He thinks it's safe to run at
>>> higher rpm by getting smaller prop as an "experimental" if I
>>> desire to do so, but me thinks me wants to play it safe and get a
>>> 72x42pitch. Any thoughts on that...best prop?... especially from
>>> GN-1(w/A65) folks? I would really like a wood prop...
>>>
>>> Ler
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Group,
I have been thinking my power plant choices for the Piet and have the
opportunity to purchase a mid-time O-235, and wanted to get the advice
of others be for I jump or pull out the wallet. A hangar neighbor is
going with a larger engine on his plane and said he would sell me his
O-235 with 1200hrs SMOH, he said it's a 2000 hr engine so I'd have
roughly 800 hrs left. He is asking $3500 OBO, but isn't going to
include the starter or the current mags but he has another set of mags
he would sell with it. I figured I'd off $2500 and see if he bites, and
purchase a new starter and new mags. Any thoughts????
Brian
SLC-UT
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: O-235 purchase |
Total time can be misleading, so check the logs and make sure the
engine hasn't spent long periods sitting idle (corrosion can do more
damage than running). The asking price sounds great. Get a compression
check, see what the oil pressure runs, etc. TBO is only a guideline and
actual condition is the key. Watch Barnstormers to see what other
similar engines are going for. If his price is fair, don't insult him
with an offer that is too low, cause you may need the goodwill later on :-)
Ben
Ben
On 8/26/2010 1:46 PM, brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com wrote:
>
> Group,
>
> I have been thinking my power plant choices for the Piet and have the
> opportunity to purchase a mid-time O-235, and wanted to get the advice
> of others be for I jump or pull out the wallet. A hangar neighbor is
> going with a larger engine on his plane and said he would sell me his
> O-235 with 1200hrs SMOH, he said it's a 2000 hr engine so I'd have
> roughly 800 hrs left. He is asking $3500 OBO, but isn't going to
> include the starter or the current mags but he has another set of mags
> he would sell with it. I figured I'd off $2500 and see if he bites,
> and purchase a new starter and new mags. Any thoughts????
>
> Brian
>
> SLC-UT
>
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: O-235 purchase |
It must be off a colt I am guessing, or another 2 place piper.- You proba
bly would want other mags any way, the C-1B was a shower of sparks mag, whi
ch needs an electrical system for the Starter Vibrator Transformer, which i
s for retarding the timing for starts.- A few mods are necesary for using
other mags (I think)- I believe you need longer studs in the accesory dr
ive if you put on an impulse coupling, not sure about the mag drive gear th
ough.- I also have a C1B I am putting on my Jungster.- $3500 sounds lik
e a steal if it is a good running engine.- One drawback to the 0-235 is t
hat I am told they are the most expensive- 4 cyl engine to overhaul, even
an 0-320 is 10-20% cheaper to O/H from the engine gurus I have talked with
.- Check the compressions if you can and the oil screen and oil for conta
mination if it is not drained yet.- Ring kits are about $800 per cylinder
the last time I checked, but I might be mistaken on that as well.- Good
luck and happy hunting.
-
Shad
Fly'n the Corvizzle since two thousand and sizzle=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: tenpol-List:off topic - blatant self promotion |
| From: | "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net> |
Good luck in your venture. Looking at the crops from the air in a Piet-----
Sweet!!!
--------
Dan Plett
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310220#310220
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: O-235 purchase |
Hi Shad,
At the prices you are quoting you can fly the Corvair and build up a couple
of spares. The cost of the ring set almost pays for a 5th bearing to remov
e the last doubt most people have.
Jim B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:34:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: O-235 purchase
It must be off a colt I am guessing, or another 2 place piper.=C2- You pr
obably would want other mags any way, the C-1B was a shower of sparks mag,
which needs an electrical system for the Starter Vibrator Transformer, whic
h is for retarding the timing for starts.=C2- A few mods are necesary for
using other mags (I think)=C2- I believe you need longer studs in the ac
cesory drive if you put on an impulse coupling, not sure about the mag driv
e gear though.=C2- I also have a C1B I am putting on my Jungster.=C2- $
3500 sounds like a steal if it is a good running engine.=C2- One drawback
to the 0-235 is that I am told they are the most expensive=C2- 4 cyl eng
ine to overhaul, even an 0-320 is 10-20% cheaper to O/H from the engine gur
us I have talked with.=C2- Check the compressions if you can and the oil
screen and oil for contamination if it is not drained yet.=C2- Ring kits
are about $800 per cylinder the last time I checked, but I might be mistake
n on that as well.=C2- Good luck and happy hunting.
Shad
Fly'n the Corvizzle since two thousand and sizzle
==
________________________________________________________________________________
Shad,
Thanks for the reply...Yes it's off a PA-16 and it's an 0-235 C1, TT
3248 and 1275 SMOH. The A&P in the hangar next to mine say it is more
expensive to overhaul the 0-235, but in my mind how many years will it
take to burn up 800 hours flying a Piet? If the guy would sell it I
would buy it for $2500, but for $3500, I just might want my shiny 0 hr
Corvair. I have 2 complete Corvair engines with all the right numbers
and I am into them for $150.00.
Brian
SLC -UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad
bell
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: O-235 purchase
It must be off a colt I am guessing, or another 2 place piper. You
probably would want other mags any way, the C-1B was a shower of sparks
mag, which needs an electrical system for the Starter Vibrator
Transformer, which is for retarding the timing for starts. A few mods
are necesary for using other mags (I think) I believe you need longer
studs in the accesory drive if you put on an impulse coupling, not sure
about the mag drive gear though. I also have a C1B I am putting on my
Jungster. $3500 sounds like a steal if it is a good running engine.
One drawback to the 0-235 is that I am told they are the most expensive
4 cyl engine to overhaul, even an 0-320 is 10-20% cheaper to O/H from
the engine gurus I have talked with. Check the compressions if you can
and the oil screen and oil for contamination if it is not drained yet.
Ring kits are about $800 per cylinder the last time I checked, but I
might be mistaken on that as well. Good luck and happy hunting.
Shad
Fly'n the Corvizzle since two thousand and sizzle
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
If you pay $3500 for the Lycoming, you can expect to put maybe another $2000
in it for such things as magnetos, piston rings, spark plugs, etc. for a
grand total of $5500, for a certified aircraft engine with known
reliability. I seriously doubt you can convert your $150 worth of Corvair
stuff into a reasonably reliable engine (depending on terrain) for less than
$6,000. Bear in mind also that if you put a certificated prop on your
Lycoming you are looking at only 25 hours of phase 1 testing, whereas no
matter what kind of prop you put on the Corvair, you are stuck with 40 hours
of phase 1 testing. That's an awful long time to bore holes in the sky
without being able to take passengers or go anywhere.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:13 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: O-235 purchase
Shad,
Thanks for the reply.Yes it's off a PA-16 and it's an 0-235 C1, TT 3248 and
1275 SMOH. The A&P in the hangar next to mine say it is more expensive to
overhaul the 0-235, but in my mind how many years will it take to burn up
800 hours flying a Piet? If the guy would sell it I would buy it for $2500,
but for $3500, I just might want my shiny 0 hr Corvair. I have 2 complete
Corvair engines with all the right numbers and I am into them for $150.00.
Brian
SLC -UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: O-235 purchase
It must be off a colt I am guessing, or another 2 place piper. You probably
would want other mags any way, the C-1B was a shower of sparks mag, which
needs an electrical system for the Starter Vibrator Transformer, which is
for retarding the timing for starts. A few mods are necesary for using
other mags (I think) I believe you need longer studs in the accesory drive
if you put on an impulse coupling, not sure about the mag drive gear though.
I also have a C1B I am putting on my Jungster. $3500 sounds like a steal if
it is a good running engine. One drawback to the 0-235 is that I am told
they are the most expensive 4 cyl engine to overhaul, even an 0-320 is
10-20% cheaper to O/H from the engine gurus I have talked with. Check the
compressions if you can and the oil screen and oil for contamination if it
is not drained yet. Ring kits are about $800 per cylinder the last time I
checked, but I might be mistaken on that as well. Good luck and happy
hunting.
Shad
Fly'n the Corvizzle since two thousand and sizzle
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
>>> <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> 8/26/2010 4:13 PM >>>
Shad,
Thanks for the replyYes its off a PA-16 and its an 0-235 C1, TT 3248
and 1275 SMOH. The A&P in the hangar next to mine say it is more
expensive to overhaul the 0-235, but in my mind how many years will it
take to burn up 800 hours flying a Piet? If the guy would sell it I
would buy it for $2500, but for $3500, I just might want my shiny 0 hr
Corvair. I have 2 complete Corvair engines with all the right numbers
and I am into them for $150.00.
Brian
SLC -UT
Brian:Go into this with your eyes wide open as completing your Corvair
might cost you more than you had initially planned. Totally depending
on how far you want to go with the project. I put together the attached
list of parts that I planned to purchase from William Wynne and this
does not include the 5th bearing that many of us are opting for. I
chose to purchase a nearly ready-to- assemble project from Ryan Mueller
which did have all the extras I wanted and the cost was $6,000. You
don't have to go that far or that expensive but the options are there.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
(very close to up on the gear)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: O-235 purchase |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Four years ago, we had a kit of consisting of two new Slick Mags, along with a
complete wiring harness for around $1400. installed, and that was a very good
price.
Prior to purchasing any engine, you might want to put together a comprehensive
spreadsheet of costs, and get buy in from all of the suppliers involved.
Just my .02 worth.
--------
Tom Kreiner
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310231#310231
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: O-235 purchase |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Jack,
Are you talking just a top overhaul and mags? I would think $2k for a
top-to-bottom, everything new or reconditioned overhaul on an O-235 is goin
g
to be waaaaay more than that. ...
Ryan
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Jack Phillips wrot
e:
> If you pay $3500 for the Lycoming, you can expect to put maybe another
> $2000 in it for such things as magnetos, piston rings, spark plugs, etc.
for
> a grand total of $5500, for a certified aircraft engine with known
> reliability. I seriously doubt you can convert your $150 worth of Corvai
r
> stuff into a reasonably reliable engine (depending on terrain) for less t
han
> $6,000. Bear in mind also that if you put a certificated prop on your
> Lycoming you are looking at only 25 hours of phase 1 testing, whereas no
> matter what kind of prop you put on the Corvair, you are stuck with 40 ho
urs
> of phase 1 testing. That=92s an awful long time to bore holes in the sky
> without being able to take passengers or go anywhere.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *
> brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:13 PM
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: O-235 purchase
>
>
> Shad,
>
> Thanks for the reply=85Yes it=92s off a PA-16 and it=92s an 0-235 C1, TT
3248 and
> 1275 SMOH. The A&P in the hangar next to mine say it is more expensive t
o
> overhaul the 0-235, but in my mind how many years will it take to burn up
> 800 hours flying a Piet? If the guy would sell it I would buy it for $25
00,
> but for $3500, I just might want my shiny 0 hr Corvair. I have 2 complet
e
> Corvair engines with all the right numbers and I am into them for $150.00
.
>
>
> Brian
>
> SLC -UT
>
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *shad bell
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:34 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: O-235 purchase
>
>
> It must be off a colt I am guessing, or another 2 place piper. You
> probably would want other mags any way, the C-1B was a shower of sparks m
ag,
> which needs an electrical system for the Starter Vibrator Transformer, wh
ich
> is for retarding the timing for starts. A few mods are necesary for usin
g
> other mags (I think) I believe you need longer studs in the accesory dri
ve
> if you put on an impulse coupling, not sure about the mag drive gear
> though. I also have a C1B I am putting on my Jungster. $3500 sounds lik
e a
> steal if it is a good running engine. One drawback to the 0-235 is that
I
> am told they are the most expensive 4 cyl engine to overhaul, even an 0-
320
> is 10-20% cheaper to O/H from the engine gurus I have talked with. Check
> the compressions if you can and the oil screen and oil for contamination
if
> it is not drained yet. Ring kits are about $800 per cylinder the last ti
me
> I checked, but I might be mistaken on that as well. Good luck and happy
> hunting.
>
>
> Shad
>
> Fly'n the Corvizzle since two thousand and sizzle
>
>
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>
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>
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>
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List*
>
> * *
>
> *http://forums.matronics.com*
>
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>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Not even a top overhaul. Just new mags will be close to $1000, and then
whatever else needs to be done will be another grand.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: O-235 purchase
Jack,
Are you talking just a top overhaul and mags? I would think $2k for a
top-to-bottom, everything new or reconditioned overhaul on an O-235 is going
to be waaaaay more than that. ...
Ryan
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Jack Phillips
wrote:
If you pay $3500 for the Lycoming, you can expect to put maybe another $2000
in it for such things as magnetos, piston rings, spark plugs, etc. for a
grand total of $5500, for a certified aircraft engine with known
reliability. I seriously doubt you can convert your $150 worth of Corvair
stuff into a reasonably reliable engine (depending on terrain) for less than
$6,000. Bear in mind also that if you put a certificated prop on your
Lycoming you are looking at only 25 hours of phase 1 testing, whereas no
matter what kind of prop you put on the Corvair, you are stuck with 40 hours
of phase 1 testing. That's an awful long time to bore holes in the sky
without being able to take passengers or go anywhere.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:13 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: O-235 purchase
Shad,
Thanks for the reply.Yes it's off a PA-16 and it's an 0-235 C1, TT 3248 and
1275 SMOH. The A&P in the hangar next to mine say it is more expensive to
overhaul the 0-235, but in my mind how many years will it take to burn up
800 hours flying a Piet? If the guy would sell it I would buy it for $2500,
but for $3500, I just might want my shiny 0 hr Corvair. I have 2 complete
Corvair engines with all the right numbers and I am into them for $150.00.
Brian
SLC -UT
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: O-235 purchase
It must be off a colt I am guessing, or another 2 place piper. You probably
would want other mags any way, the C-1B was a shower of sparks mag, which
needs an electrical system for the Starter Vibrator Transformer, which is
for retarding the timing for starts. A few mods are necesary for using
other mags (I think) I believe you need longer studs in the accesory drive
if you put on an impulse coupling, not sure about the mag drive gear though.
I also have a C1B I am putting on my Jungster. $3500 sounds like a steal if
it is a good running engine. One drawback to the 0-235 is that I am told
they are the most expensive 4 cyl engine to overhaul, even an 0-320 is
10-20% cheaper to O/H from the engine gurus I have talked with. Check the
compressions if you can and the oil screen and oil for contamination if it
is not drained yet. Ring kits are about $800 per cylinder the last time I
checked, but I might be mistaken on that as well. Good luck and happy
hunting.
Shad
Fly'n the Corvizzle since two thousand and sizzle
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| Subject: | Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 |
| From: | "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> |
Well - the wife and youngest went up for their first flights tonight with me in
the GN-1. They both had blast! It was her first experience in a low and slow
open cockpit plane (rest of the time has been in a C-172 with me). We had to
come down after 20 minutes and she was sorely disappointed.
The 9 year old looked like "Kilroy was here" with his big goggles and headset peering
over the side of the fuselage the whole flight. He wanted to go back up
after we landed. It was the first flight he's ever been on that he didn't puke.....
thank God...
I have two more converts in the house!
--------
Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310243#310243
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| From: | Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net> |
OOPS!
Someday I'm going to read what I write before hitting the "send" button.
Yeah! I meant 2300 rpm.
On Aug 26, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Jack wrote:
>
> 3200 Roman? Isn't that high?
> Jack
> DSM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Roman Bukolt
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:49 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
>
> >
>
> I'm running a Ed Sterba 72x42 on my A-65 and am getting great
> performance. 3min. /1000 ft @ 3200rpm and cruise at 80mph at
> 2000rpm.
> FYI- Roman Bukolt NX20795
> On Aug 26, 2010, at 6:29 AM, Ben Charvet wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> Probably when he said smaller prop he meant with less pitch. The
>> extra HP in an A-75 is mostly because it turns at 2600 rpm redline,
>> and this is done by using less pitch. I'm running a Sensenich 72X40
>> on my A-65 and find that to be about perfect. Jack Phillips has the
>> same prop on his Piet. This prop in actually used on the J-3 as a
>> climb prop.
>>
>> Ben Charvet
>>>>
>>>> Now .. he did mention that he put the bigger piston pins(but not
>>>> the 75 pistons)drilled something(rod's), etc, etc... in the event
>>>> that I convert it to 75hp later. He thinks it's safe to run at
>>>> higher rpm by getting smaller prop as an "experimental" if I
>>>> desire to do so, but me thinks me wants to play it safe and get a
>>>> 72x42pitch. Any thoughts on that...best prop?... especially from
>>>> GN-1(w/A65) folks? I would really like a wood prop...
>>>>
>>>> Ler
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
Members of the list:
-
-
I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear
and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the Fly
ing and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page?
Particularly, I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in th
e wood landing gear section.
-
Thanks for any assistance.
-
KMH
Hawley, MN
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
which ash piece do you mean? If you are referring to the one across the fl
oor=2C for the wooden gear version there is not one. You can add one=2C li
ke most people have done=2C but then you have to modify the fittings. If y
ou mean the ash piece at the bottom of the gear=2C the dimensions are in th
e F&G manual=2C something like 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 by 7 (don't have the plans in
front of me).
Gene
Date: Fri=2C 27 Aug 2010 05:08:56 -0700
From: kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
Members of the list:
I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear
and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the Fly
ing and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page?
Particularly=2C I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in
the wood landing gear section.
Thanks for any assistance.
KMH
Hawley=2C MN
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
KM,
I don't have the wood gear page in front of me, but by recollection I don't
think that dimension is supplied. Even if it was, I may have ignored it.
The gear length probably changes for each plane, depending on what wheels
you choose (mine are 21") and what deck angle you want when complete (mine
is 13 deg). Tail wheel design will also affect deck angle.
In my case, I installed the tail wheel, propped the fuselage up on saw
horses and blocks until I got the deck angle, rolled the wheels in to place
(the dimension from the leading edge as I recall), then measured for the
legs.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide
CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 5:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
Members of the list:
I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear
and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the
Flying and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page?
Particularly, I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in the
wood landing gear section.
Thanks for any assistance.
KMH
Hawley, MN
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | The Great Waldo Pepper released on DVD in WIDESCREEN |
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/The+Great+Waldo+Pepper+-+Widescreen+Dolby+-+DVD
/18604073.p?skuId=18604073&id=47584
Thanks to an off-list e-mail from a good Piet builder in the Northwest name
d Jake I was given this great NEWS about TGWP DVD
becoming available in widescreen and at a decent price.
Just gather round folks, just gather round..........
Thanks Jake !
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Plans Question |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Gene,
You are correct in that there is no ash piece explicitly shown for the
floor, nor mention of one made in the text (that I can see skimming through
his AM). However if you look at the "Cross Section View of Mounted Landing
Gear Fittings" portion of the wood landing gear drawing in the F&G Manual it
shows an additional wood member of some sort above the floor and under the
1/2" steel strip....maybe 1/2" thick if it is drawn proportional to the
longeron, possiby 3/4"? See attached scan please....
Ryan
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Gene Rambo wrote:
> which ash piece do you mean? If you are referring to the one across the
> floor, for the wooden gear version there is not one. You can add one, like
> most people have done, but then you have to modify the fittings. If you
> mean the ash piece at the bottom of the gear, the dimensions are in the F&G
> manual, something like 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 by 7 (don't have the plans in front of
> me).
>
> Gene
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:08:56 -0700
> From: kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
> To: Pietenpol-List(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Members of the list:
>
>
> I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear
> and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the
> Flying and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page?
> Particularly, I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in
> the wood landing gear section.
>
> Thanks for any assistance.
>
> KMH
> Hawley, MN
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The Great Waldo Pepper released on DVD in WIDESCREEN |
So now Aircraft Spruce AND Bestbuy are monitoring this list....
wow
-----Original Message-----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Sent: Aug 27, 2010 9:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper released on DVD in WIDESCREEN
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/The+Great+Waldo+Pepper+-+Widescreen+Dolby+-+DVD/18604073.p?skuId=18604073&id=47584
Thanks to an off-list e-mail from a good Piet builder in the Northwest named Jake
I was given this great NEWS about TGWP DVD
becoming available in widescreen and at a decent price.
Just gather round folks, just gather round.
Thanks Jake !
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Best Buy and ACS |
So now Aircraft Spruce AND Bestbuy are monitoring this list....
wow.
That's funny Jim ! Actually Best Buy is now carrying a full spruce kit for the
Pietenpol Air Camper
and Sky Scout:))
That should trigger a response from Jim Irwin's List Police at ACS.
Mike C.
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
No=2C the plans are clear=2C with the wooden gear version from the F&G manu
al the cross pieces are merely 1" square spruce just like every other cross
member. There are no ash cross pieces on that version of the plans.
Gene
Date: Fri=2C 27 Aug 2010 08:03:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
From: rmueller23(at)gmail.com
Gene=2C
You are correct in that there is no ash piece explicitly shown for the floo
r=2C nor mention of one made in the text (that I can see skimming through h
is AM). However if you look at the "Cross Section View of Mounted Landing G
ear Fittings" portion of the wood landing gear drawing in the F&G Manual it
shows an additional wood member of some sort above the floor and under the
1/2" steel strip....maybe 1/2" thick if it is drawn proportional to the l
ongeron=2C possiby 3/4"? See attached scan please....
Ryan
On Fri=2C Aug 27=2C 2010 at 7:27 AM=2C Gene Rambo wrote
:
which ash piece do you mean? If you are referring to the one across the fl
oor=2C for the wooden gear version there is not one. You can add one=2C li
ke most people have done=2C but then you have to modify the fittings. If y
ou mean the ash piece at the bottom of the gear=2C the dimensions are in th
e F&G manual=2C something like 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 by 7 (don't have the plans in
front of me).
Gene
Date: Fri=2C 27 Aug 2010 05:08:56 -0700
From: kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
Members of the list:
I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear
and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the Fly
ing and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page?
Particularly=2C I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in
the wood landing gear section.
Thanks for any assistance.
KMH
Hawley=2C MN
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| Subject: | Re: Plans Question |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Gene,
Then the piece that is inboard of the longeron in the drawing that I
attached, that has the bolt running vertically through it and the ply floor,
is just a 1" square cross piece? If so, why is it drawn smaller than the 1"
square longeron adjacent to it?
Ryan
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Gene Rambo wrote:
> No, the plans are clear, with the wooden gear version from the F&G manual
> the cross pieces are merely 1" square spruce just like every other cross
> member. There are no ash cross pieces on that version of the plans.
>
> Gene
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:03:40 -0500
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
> From: rmueller23(at)gmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Gene,
>
> You are correct in that there is no ash piece explicitly shown for the
> floor, nor mention of one made in the text (that I can see skimming through
> his AM). However if you look at the "Cross Section View of Mounted Landing
> Gear Fittings" portion of the wood landing gear drawing in the F&G Manual it
> shows an additional wood member of some sort above the floor and under the
> 1/2" steel strip....maybe 1/2" thick if it is drawn proportional to the
> longeron, possiby 3/4"? See attached scan please....
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Gene Rambo wrote:
>
> which ash piece do you mean? If you are referring to the one across the
> floor, for the wooden gear version there is not one. You can add one, like
> most people have done, but then you have to modify the fittings. If you
> mean the ash piece at the bottom of the gear, the dimensions are in the F&G
> manual, something like 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 by 7 (don't have the plans in front of
> me).
>
> Gene
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:08:56 -0700
> From: kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
> To: Pietenpol-List(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Members of the list:
>
>
> I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear
> and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the
> Flying and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page?
> Particularly, I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in
> the wood landing gear section.
>
> Thanks for any assistance.
>
> KMH
> Hawley, MN
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
you're right=2C and I saw that after I posted. I do not have the plans in
front of me=2C but I do know for sure that the cross piece is 1" square. I
cannot explain why the cross section looks like it does. Many people (inc
luding me) built the fuselage to the "improved plans" with ash cross pieces
before noticing that the wood gear version did not have them. The ash was
added for the "split-type" gear in the improved plans. All I did (and mos
t others) was modify the gear fittings (I did it per Pavliga drawings) to m
ake them work. I think the modified ones are stronger anyway.
I will say that the steel strap shown in the cross section you posted may b
e necessary (or at least a good idea) with a 1" square spruce cross piece
=2C but I cannot find a single reason to have it on the ash version and I a
m not installing one.
Gene
Date: Fri=2C 27 Aug 2010 08:43:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
From: rmueller23(at)gmail.com
Gene=2C
Then the piece that is inboard of the longeron in the drawing that I attach
ed=2C that has the bolt running vertically through it and the ply floor=2C
is just a 1" square cross piece? If so=2C why is it drawn smaller than the
1" square longeron adjacent to it?
Ryan
On Fri=2C Aug 27=2C 2010 at 8:32 AM=2C Gene Rambo wrote
:
No=2C the plans are clear=2C with the wooden gear version from the F&G manu
al the cross pieces are merely 1" square spruce just like every other cross
member. There are no ash cross pieces on that version of the plans.
Gene
Date: Fri=2C 27 Aug 2010 08:03:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
From: rmueller23(at)gmail.com
Gene=2C
You are correct in that there is no ash piece explicitly shown for the floo
r=2C nor mention of one made in the text (that I can see skimming through h
is AM). However if you look at the "Cross Section View of Mounted Landing G
ear Fittings" portion of the wood landing gear drawing in the F&G Manual it
shows an additional wood member of some sort above the floor and under the
1/2" steel strip....maybe 1/2" thick if it is drawn proportional to the l
ongeron=2C possiby 3/4"? See attached scan please....
Ryan
On Fri=2C Aug 27=2C 2010 at 7:27 AM=2C Gene Rambo wrote
:
which ash piece do you mean? If you are referring to the one across the fl
oor=2C for the wooden gear version there is not one. You can add one=2C li
ke most people have done=2C but then you have to modify the fittings. If y
ou mean the ash piece at the bottom of the gear=2C the dimensions are in th
e F&G manual=2C something like 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 by 7 (don't have the plans in
front of me).
Gene
Date: Fri=2C 27 Aug 2010 05:08:56 -0700
From: kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
Members of the list:
I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear
and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the Fly
ing and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page?
Particularly=2C I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in
the wood landing gear section.
Thanks for any assistance.
KMH
Hawley=2C MN
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| Subject: | Re: Plans Question |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Roger that. Wanted to make sure I wasn't losing my mind. :P
Thanks Gene!
Ryan
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Gene Rambo wrote:
> you're right, and I saw that after I posted. I do not have the plans in
> front of me, but I do know for sure that the cross piece is 1" square. I
> cannot explain why the cross section looks like it does. Many people
> (including me) built the fuselage to the "improved plans" with ash cross
> pieces before noticing that the wood gear version did not have them. The
> ash was added for the "split-type" gear in the improved plans. All I did
> (and most others) was modify the gear fittings (I did it per Pavliga
> drawings) to make them work. I think the modified ones are stronger
> anyway.
>
> I will say that the steel strap shown in the cross section you posted may
> be necessary (or at least a good idea) with a 1" square spruce cross
> piece, but I cannot find a single reason to have it on the ash version and I
> am not installing one.
>
> Gene
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:43:32 -0500
>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
> From: rmueller23(at)gmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Gene,
>
> Then the piece that is inboard of the longeron in the drawing that I
> attached, that has the bolt running vertically through it and the ply floor,
> is just a 1" square cross piece? If so, why is it drawn smaller than the 1"
> square longeron adjacent to it?
>
> Ryan
>
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Gene Rambo wrote:
>
> No, the plans are clear, with the wooden gear version from the F&G manual
> the cross pieces are merely 1" square spruce just like every other cross
> member. There are no ash cross pieces on that version of the plans.
>
> Gene
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:03:40 -0500
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
> From: rmueller23(at)gmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Gene,
>
> You are correct in that there is no ash piece explicitly shown for the
> floor, nor mention of one made in the text (that I can see skimming through
> his AM). However if you look at the "Cross Section View of Mounted Landing
> Gear Fittings" portion of the wood landing gear drawing in the F&G Manual it
> shows an additional wood member of some sort above the floor and under the
> 1/2" steel strip....maybe 1/2" thick if it is drawn proportional to the
> longeron, possiby 3/4"? See attached scan please....
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Gene Rambo wrote:
>
> which ash piece do you mean? If you are referring to the one across the
> floor, for the wooden gear version there is not one. You can add one, like
> most people have done, but then you have to modify the fittings. If you
> mean the ash piece at the bottom of the gear, the dimensions are in the F&G
> manual, something like 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 by 7 (don't have the plans in front of
> me).
>
> Gene
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:08:56 -0700
> From: kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
> To: Pietenpol-List(at)matronics.com
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> Members of the list:
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>
> I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear
> and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the
> Flying and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page?
> Particularly, I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in
> the wood landing gear section.
>
> Thanks for any assistance.
>
> KMH
> Hawley, MN
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Plans Question |
I have the wood landing gear print in my set of plans. It was not included
in my original set, I had to ask for it.
That wood piece you are asking about... I do not have the plans in front of
me, but on my plane, that piece is ash, about (from memory)- 2" X 3/4" a
nd runs from one side of the fuselage to the other. In the picture you can
see one in place for both forward and aft landing gear attach points. I THO
UGHT this was shown in the fuselage print? (I'll verify when I get home...i
f you still need to know by then.)
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | gear fitting mods |
I fabricated the modified wood gear fittings like Mike P. / Gene R. mentio
ned as suggested to me by Frank M. Pavilga because of how much sense
they made when Frank and his father (Frank M. Pavliga, deceased) who are/we
re both architects changed them a bit. I used both the ash crossmembers
and a thin 1" wide strip of 4130 from side to side under the belly just fo
r insurance but not having the engineering background I
I made some chicken-scratch diagrams trying to show how they go together an
d they are posted under my name in the Chris Tracy http://www.westcoastpiet
.com/pictures.htm
web site.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | multiple messages-- server fouled up?-- ATTENTION, MATRONICS |
The last two days including the present, I am occassionally only getting one message
from board members, but often 2,3,4 or 6 copies of the same post.
Something is wrong with our server.
Tim in central TX
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | multiple messages-- server fouled up?-- ATTENTION, |
MATRONICS
Tim, so far the only ones who have said anything about multiple messages
have earthlink dot net addresses.
Skip at earthlink, sometimes getting more than 6 copies.
> [Original Message]
> From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
> To: matronics piet site
> Date: 8/27/2010 3:56:37 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: multiple messages-- server fouled up?--
ATTENTION, MATRONICS
>
>
> The last two days including the present, I am occassionally only getting
one message from board members, but often 2,3,4 or 6 copies of the same
post.
>
> Something is wrong with our server.
> Tim in central TX
>
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Plans Question |
Just checked my plans and both ash pieces are shown on the fuselage page. Both
pieces are 3/4" X 2".
Yes, I really should keep the floor and shop a little cleaner.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
Www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 |
| From: | "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> |
You know, I tried to go back and edit this message after I posted to correct the
misspell - but it didn't seem to fxi ti...
Lorin
--------
Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310315#310315
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| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
Well I got my wings back off and rolled my GN-1 out in the sunshine today and got
it tied down and ran the Corvair D.J. built up. it sounds strong and smooth
so far -I got the timing what looks like close but in the bright sunshine it
is difficult to see the marks really well so I'm going to check it again about
dusk. but it sure seems to pull Strong so far.I didn't go full open for over
a few seconds but I believe it will pretty easily turn 2850 or more.and that should
drag this thing into the air pretty well.oil pressure seems to stay around
38 or so even pretty warmat idle. head temps never went over about 284 so
far. Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310321#310321
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: engine run-up |
Congrats! That's great....
-----Original Message-----
>From: skellytown flyer <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 27, 2010 6:38 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine run-up
>
>
>Well I got my wings back off and rolled my GN-1 out in the sunshine today and
got it tied down and ran the Corvair D.J. built up. it sounds strong and smooth
so far -I got the timing what looks like close but in the bright sunshine it
is difficult to see the marks really well so I'm going to check it again about
dusk. but it sure seems to pull Strong so far.I didn't go full open for over
a few seconds but I believe it will pretty easily turn 2850 or more.and that
should drag this thing into the air pretty well.oil pressure seems to stay around
38 or so even pretty warmat idle. head temps never went over about 284 so
far. Raymond
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310321#310321
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: engine run-up |
Congratulations. That's great!!
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 27, 2010, at 4:38 PM, "skellytown flyer" wrote:
>
> Well I got my wings back off and rolled my GN-1 out in the sunshine today and
got it tied down and ran the Corvair D.J. built up. it sounds strong and smooth
so far -I got the timing what looks like close but in the bright sunshine it
is difficult to see the marks really well so I'm going to check it again about
dusk. but it sure seems to pull Strong so far.I didn't go full open for over
a few seconds but I believe it will pretty easily turn 2850 or more.and that
should drag this thing into the air pretty well.oil pressure seems to stay around
38 or so even pretty warmat idle. head temps never went over about 284 so
far. Raymond
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310321#310321
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: engine run-up |
| From: | "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net> |
That's great. One step closer!
--------
Dan Plett
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310345#310345
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
True Mike but look on the steel split axel gear page upper right drawing, it
clearly says the front ash cross piece is 2"x1" with the ends tapered to
3/4".
Fortunately either way works.
Now on the original fuselage (wood landing gear) there are no ash cross
braces. There are 1"x3/4" spruce cross braces. What orientation the 1"
dimension should be is debatable.
Welcome to the world of Pietenpol drawings.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
-->
Just checked my plans and both ash pieces are shown on the fuselage page.
Both pieces are 3/4" X 2".
Yes, I really should keep the floor and shop a little cleaner.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
Www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: O-235 purchase |
| From: | "GliderMike" <glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com> |
I'm not wanting to sound like a nay-sayer, but, for what its worth, if you use
a certificated engine in an experimental, and intend to keep it as a certificated
engine, all the components and accessories need to be PMA stuff, and all the
accessories such as mags and starters, have to be on the TCDS (type certificate
data sheet) for that engine for it to stay as a certificated engine. Also,
you will have to have an A&P who has an IA do the annual on the engine (and
prop, if you are shooting for the 25 hour test flight time), if you intend to
keep the engine and prop as a certificated set. The prop would also have to
be a model that was listed on the TCDS for the engine for everything to qualify
for the 25 hour flight test, instead of 40 hour. Any deviation from the TCDS
makes it experimental.
Disadvantages (some of the disadvantages) of a certificated engine and prop - probably
higher repair costs in parts, as they have to be PMA parts, and an A&P
would have to sign off on any minor repairs, and an A&P with an IA will have
to sign off on major repairs and on the annual on the powerplant. The builder
(if he gets a repairman certificate for the airplane, can still sign off the
yearly condition inspection on the airframe. (Type Certificated stuff gets annual
inspections, experimental stuff gets yearly condition inspections. Most
everyone on this list already knows this, but in case there are any who weren't
aware, I thought I'd throw that in.)
Advantages (some of the advantages) of a certificated engine and prop - generally
(no guarantees, but usually) higher likelihood of good reliability, and definitely
higher resale value if all the paperwork is kept up.
In my opinion, if you can afford it, the certificated engine is the way to go.
My two cents worth. There are others who will disagree, who have had excellent
success with their experimental engines, and probably just as many, if not
more, who will agree with the certificated engine idea.
Mike Glasgow
FAA A&P; FAA Repairman N777WG
--------
HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310354#310354
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: O-235 purchase |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
This is great info to keep in mind when getting ready to choose your powerplant.
Thanks for posting this, Mike!
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310355#310355
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: O-235 purchase |
\
I'll just relate my experience. The* FAA inspector* who did my
airworthiness inspection knew that I'd rebuilt my engine myself (A-65),
and had no problem giving me a 25 hour test period. My repairman
certificate has no restrictions on doing the annual condition
inspection. Others on the list have had similar experience.
Ben Charvet
On 8/28/2010 2:30 AM, GliderMike wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "GliderMike"
>
> I'm not wanting to sound like a nay-sayer, but, for what its worth, if you use
a certificated engine in an experimental, and intend to keep it as a certificated
engine, all the components and accessories need to be PMA stuff, and all
the accessories such as mags and starters, have to be on the TCDS (type certificate
data sheet) for that engine for it to stay as a certificated engine. Also,
you will have to have an A&P who has an IA do the annual on the engine (and
prop, if you are shooting for the 25 hour test flight time), if you intend
to keep the engine and prop as a certificated set. The prop would also have to
be a model that was listed on the TCDS for the engine for everything to qualify
for the 25 hour flight test, instead of 40 hour. Any deviation from the TCDS
makes it experimental.
>
> Disadvantages (some of the disadvantages) of a certificated engine and prop -
probably higher repair costs in parts, as they have to be PMA parts, and an A&P
would have to sign off on any minor repairs, and an A&P with an IA will have
to sign off on major repairs and on the annual on the powerplant. The builder
(if he gets a repairman certificate for the airplane, can still sign off the
yearly condition inspection on the airframe. (Type Certificated stuff gets
annual inspections, experimental stuff gets yearly condition inspections. Most
everyone on this list already knows this, but in case there are any who weren't
aware, I thought I'd throw that in.)
>
> Advantages (some of the advantages) of a certificated engine and prop - generally
(no guarantees, but usually) higher likelihood of good reliability, and
definitely higher resale value if all the paperwork is kept up.
>
> In my opinion, if you can afford it, the certificated engine is the way to go.
My two cents worth. There are others who will disagree, who have had excellent
success with their experimental engines, and probably just as many, if not
more, who will agree with the certificated engine idea.
>
> Mike Glasgow
> FAA A&P; FAA Repairman N777WG
>
> --------
> HOMEBUILDER
> Will WORK for Spruce
> Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
> GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310354#310354
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Volckmann <mike_cfi(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: O-235 purchase |
Mike,=0A=0AAlong this same thought path-I have a question.-=0A=0AI know
that an Amateur Built Experimental needs to have a conditional Inspection
=0Aonce per year, and that-the person holding the repairman's certificate
for the =0Aairplane or and A&P(with or without-IA)-can do this conditi
onal-inspection.- =0A=0A=0AMy question is that if the airplane-has an
Experimental Exhibition-Airworthiness =0Acertificate does it still need
a conditional inspection or does it need an =0AAnnual and if it is a condit
ional inspection-does the A&P need IA.=0A-Mike Volckmann =0A=0AThe only
thing we ever learn from history is that we never learn from history. =0AG
eorge Bernard Shaw =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFro
m: GliderMike =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A
Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 11:30:15 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: O-235
keg(at)yahoo.com>=0A=0AI'm not wanting to sound like a nay-sayer, but, for wha
t its worth, if you use a =0Acertificated engine in an experimental, and in
tend to keep it as a certificated =0Aengine, all the components and accesso
ries need to be PMA stuff, and all the =0Aaccessories such as mags and star
ters, have to be on the TCDS (type certificate =0Adata sheet) for that engi
ne for it to stay as a certificated engine.- Also, you =0Awill have to ha
ve an A&P who has an IA do the annual on the engine (and prop, if =0Ayou ar
e shooting for the 25 hour test flight time), if you intend to keep the =0A
engine and prop as a certificated set.- The prop would also have to be a
model =0Athat was listed on the TCDS for the engine for everything to quali
fy for the 25 =0Ahour flight test, instead of 40 hour.- Any deviation fro
m the TCDS makes it =0Aexperimental.=0A=0ADisadvantages (some of the disadv
antages) of a certificated engine and prop - =0Aprobably higher repair cost
s in parts, as they have to be PMA parts, and an A&P =0Awould have to sign
off on any minor repairs, and an A&P with an IA will have to =0Asign off on
major repairs and on the annual on the powerplant.- The builder (if =0Ah
e gets a repairman certificate for the airplane, can still sign off the yea
rly =0Acondition inspection on the airframe.- (Type Certificated stuff ge
ts annual =0Ainspections, experimental stuff gets yearly condition inspecti
ons.- Most =0Aeveryone on this list already knows this, but in case there
are any who weren't =0Aaware, I thought I'd throw that in.)=0A=0AAdvantage
s (some of the advantages) of a certificated engine and prop - =0Agenerally
(no guarantees, but usually) higher likelihood- of good reliability, =0A
and definitely higher resale value if all the paperwork is kept up.=0A=0AIn
my opinion, if you can afford it, the certificated engine is the way to go
.- =0AMy two cents worth.- There are others who will disagree, who have
had excellent =0Asuccess with their experimental engines, and probably jus
t as many, if not more, =0Awho will agree with the certificated engine idea
.=0A=0AMike Glasgow=0AFAA A&P; FAA Repairman N777WG=0A=0A--------=0AHOMEBUI
LDER=0AWill WORK for Spruce=0ALong flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
=0AGliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:
=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310354#310354=0A=0A=0A
===================
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: O-235 purchase |
That mirrors my experience exactly, Ben. I rebuilt my A65 (had to make a
new log, as the old logs were lost). Still got the 25 hr flyoff. My
inspection was done by the FSDO, not a DAR
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: O-235 purchase
\
I'll just relate my experience. The FAA inspector who did my airworthiness
inspection knew that I'd rebuilt my engine myself (A-65), and had no
problem giving me a 25 hour test period. My repairman certificate has no
restrictions on doing the annual condition inspection. Others on the list
have had similar experience.
Ben Charvet
On 8/28/2010 2:30 AM, GliderMike wrote:
I'm not wanting to sound like a nay-sayer, but, for what its worth, if you
use a certificated engine in an experimental, and intend to keep it as a
certificated engine, all the components and accessories need to be PMA
stuff, and all the accessories such as mags and starters, have to be on the
TCDS (type certificate data sheet) for that engine for it to stay as a
certificated engine. Also, you will have to have an A&P who has an IA do
the annual on the engine (and prop, if you are shooting for the 25 hour test
flight time), if you intend to keep the engine and prop as a certificated
set. The prop would also have to be a model that was listed on the TCDS for
the engine for everything to qualify for the 25 hour flight test, instead of
40 hour. Any deviation from the TCDS makes it experimental.
Disadvantages (some of the disadvantages) of a certificated engine and prop
- probably higher repair costs in parts, as they have to be PMA parts, and
an A&P would have to sign off on any minor repairs, and an A&P with an IA
will have to sign off on major repairs and on the annual on the powerplant.
The builder (if he gets a repairman certificate for the airplane, can still
sign off the yearly condition inspection on the airframe. (Type
Certificated stuff gets annual inspections, experimental stuff gets yearly
condition inspections. Most everyone on this list already knows this, but
in case there are any who weren't aware, I thought I'd throw that in.)
Advantages (some of the advantages) of a certificated engine and prop -
generally (no guarantees, but usually) higher likelihood of good
reliability, and definitely higher resale value if all the paperwork is kept
up.
In my opinion, if you can afford it, the certificated engine is the way to
go. My two cents worth. There are others who will disagree, who have had
excellent success with their experimental engines, and probably just as
many, if not more, who will agree with the certificated engine idea.
Mike Glasgow
FAA A&P; FAA Repairman N777WG
--------
HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310354#310354
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
I had thought it was 1" square=2C but do not have plans in fornt of me. If
they are 1" x 3/4=2C then the 1" is in the fore and aft plane=2C 3/4" tall
as shown in the drawing Ryan posted.
Gene
> From: catdesigns(at)att.net
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
> Date: Fri=2C 27 Aug 2010 22:57:58 -0700
>
>
> True Mike but look on the steel split axel gear page upper right drawing
=2C it
> clearly says the front ash cross piece is 2"x1" with the ends tapered to
> 3/4".
>
> Fortunately either way works.
>
> Now on the original fuselage (wood landing gear) there are no ash cross
> braces. There are 1"x3/4" spruce cross braces. What orientation the 1"
> dimension should be is debatable.
>
> Welcome to the world of Pietenpol drawings.
>
> Chris
> Sacramento=2C Ca
> Westcoastpiet.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> Perez
> Sent: Friday=2C August 27=2C 2010 3:06 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
>
> -->
>
> Just checked my plans and both ash pieces are shown on the fuselage page.
> Both pieces are 3/4" X 2".
>
> Yes=2C I really should keep the floor and shop a little cleaner.
>
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> Www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
The original question was referring to the "wood" landing gear, not the spl
it axle. Those wood pieces would be different for the different style gear
used.- I am curious as to what the "original fuselage" plans are. My fuse
lage plan is dated 1933 and shows the 2" X 3/4" ash.
-
-
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Chris wrote:
From: Chris <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 1:57 AM
True Mike but look on the steel split axel gear page upper right drawing, i
t
clearly says the front ash cross piece is 2"x1" with the ends tapered to
3/4".
Fortunately either way works.
Now on the original fuselage (wood landing gear) there are no ash cross
braces.- There are 1"x3/4" spruce cross braces.- What orientation the 1
"
dimension should be is debatable.
Welcome to the world of Pietenpol drawings.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
-->
Just checked my plans and both ash pieces are shown on the fuselage page.
Both pieces are 3/4" X 2".
Yes, I really should keep the floor and shop a little cleaner.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
Www.karetakeraero.com
le, List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I can post a small picture of that part of the plan I am referring to if it
would help. By now, (or by the time we get it figured out) the original po
ster will have his gear finished.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Gene Rambo wrote:
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 11:00 AM
I had thought it was 1" square, but do not have plans in fornt of me.- If
they are 1" x 3/4, then the 1" is-in the fore and aft plane, 3/4" tall a
s-shown-in the drawing Ryan posted.
-
Gene
-
> From: catdesigns(at)att.net
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:57:58 -0700
>
>
> True Mike but look on the steel split axel gear page upper right drawing,
it
> clearly says the front ash cross piece is 2"x1" with the ends tapered to
> 3/4".
>
> Fortunately either way works.
>
> Now on the original fuselage (wood landing gear) there are no ash cross
> braces. There are 1"x3/4" spruce cross braces. What orientation the 1"
> dimension should be is debatable.
>
> Welcome to the world of Pietenpol drawings.
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, Ca
> Westcoastpiet.com
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> Perez
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> Just checked my plans and both ash pieces are shown on the fuselage page.
> Both pieces are 3/4" X 2".
>
> Yes, I really should keep the floor and shop a little cleaner.
>
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> Www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Plans Question |
Hi Michael,
The "original" plans (that we can still find) would be the drawings that
were published in the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual. Those contain the
shortest fuselage, the wood landing gear, etc. They are obviously very small
drawings compared to full size plans, and would be a little difficult to
build from.
The plans available from the family are the "Improved" plans from '33. The
"improvements" are the split axle gear, slightly longer fuselage, and I
don't recall the rest of the top of my head.
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 28, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Michael Perez
wrote:
The original question was referring to the "wood" landing gear, not the
split axle. Those wood pieces would be different for the different style
gear used. I am curious as to what the "original fuselage" plans are. My
fuselage plan is dated 1933 and shows the 2" X 3/4" ash.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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True Mike but look on the steel split axel gear page upper right drawing, it
clearly says the front ash cross piece is 2"x1" with the ends tapered to
3/4".
Fortunately either way works.
Now on the original fuselage (wood landing gear) there are no ash cross
braces. There are 1"x3/4" spruce cross braces. What orientation the 1"
dimension should be is debatable.
Welcome to the world of Pietenpol drawings.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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Just checked my plans and both ash pieces are shown on the fuselage page.
Both pieces are 3/4" X 2".
Yes, I really should keep the floor and shop a little cleaner.
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| Subject: | Re: engine run-up |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Am going to add a skull cap spinner on my corvair also, figure it may
improve airflow around the center of the prop a little.
rick
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:13 PM, skellytown flyer wrote:
> skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
>
> Thanks- and after re-reading the post it should have said about 224 was the
> highest CHT I saw. and I ran it again at Dusk when I could see the timing
> mark a lot better and I had it dead on 32 degrees. a little cooler air temp
> and I didn't make as many runs it never got over about 202 CHT. I will
> install the top cowl now and may even put the big spinner back on- Wynn
> claims it adds a lot to the cooling and air flow I think. I like the looks a
> lot better without it but guess performance is something too. I'd kinda like
> to find a cheap deal on one of the little skull cap type spinners. now if I
> could get the dad gummed Datcon brand tach to calibrate. Raymond do not
> archive.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310336#310336
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Ryan said:
The "original" plans (that we can still find) would be the drawings that
were published in the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual
Not so fast Ryan. My recollection is, that there very well might be some
early sketches in my possession from the packet of "lost" BHP papers that
are entrusted with me, that pre-date the Flying and Glider Manual. Unfort
unately, the Costco pickle jar cannot be opened for ANY reason, prior to
the "once per calendar year" routine, so as to preserve them from exposur
e to oxygen. The next scheduled opening event is 5/25/2011. So FYI y'all
might want to get your queries repaired.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| From: | "JGriff" <jgriffith19(at)comcast.net> |
I received my plans and am about to construct my rib jig on 3/4" MDF. I didn't
give much thought to using the supplied rib drawing and instead was going to plot
out the shape because so many posts in the archive say not to use it since
the drawing is off due to the xerox reproduction. I just double checked the drawing
and it seems pretty accurate. The chord is 58" which I assume is correct
because it doesn't include the leading or trailing edge. Also the 27 3/4 inch
dim given between the spars is spot on. Has the drawing improved from years
past? I'm thinking of using it - has anyone else used it instead of plotting it
out?
Thanks.
Jamie
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413
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| Subject: | Re: O-235 purchase |
| From: | "GliderMike" <glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com> |
The interpretation comes into play, when the certified engine has non PMA parts
and accessories installed, and is rebuilt by someone other than a person with
an A&P rating. If there isn't a paperwork trail on a part going back to Noah
and the Ark, it most likely isn't PMA approved, at which time the certified engine
does not conform to the TCDS, and is no longer a certified engine. My understanding
is, the engine and/or propeller has to conform to the TCDS to continue
to be a certified engine. The builder can get a repairman's Certificate
after it is completed, but he didn't have one when the engine was rebuilt. Obviously,
some FSDO people see this as OK. I suspect there are some who don't
see it as OK.
My last two cents.
I get wound up by involving myself in discussions like this, and begin to wonder
why I took the time and went to the expense to get an A&P rating. Especially
since I have been looking for a job for nearly 4 months since getting the rating.
Everyone wants at least 3 to 5 years experience.
--------
HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
The 27 3/4 is the important dimension. Go ahead and use it!
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 28, 2010, at 4:35 PM, JGriff wrote:
>
> I received my plans and am about to construct my rib jig on 3/4" MDF. I didn't
give much thought to using the supplied rib drawing and instead was going to
plot out the shape because so many posts in the archive say not to use it since
the drawing is off due to the xerox reproduction. I just double checked the
drawing and it seems pretty accurate. The chord is 58" which I assume is correct
because it doesn't include the leading or trailing edge. Also the 27 3/4 inch
dim given between the spars is spot on. Has the drawing improved from years
past? I'm thinking of using it - has anyone else used it instead of plotting
it out?
> Thanks.
> Jamie
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413
>
>
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| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
I used it, I checked the coordinates and also found it right on.
rick
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 3:35 PM, JGriff wrote:
>
> I received my plans and am about to construct my rib jig on 3/4" MDF. I
> didn't give much thought to using the supplied rib drawing and instead was
> going to plot out the shape because so many posts in the archive say not to
> use it since the drawing is off due to the xerox reproduction. I just double
> checked the drawing and it seems pretty accurate. The chord is 58" which I
> assume is correct because it doesn't include the leading or trailing edge.
> Also the 27 3/4 inch dim given between the spars is spot on. Has the drawing
> improved from years past? I'm thinking of using it - has anyone else used it
> instead of plotting it out?
> Thanks.
> Jamie
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
My rib layout was the same. Everything measured exactly, so I layed out a straight
line on my mdf (after making a copy at Kinkos) and lined it up and applied
some spray adhesive and got busy building ribs. If I was to do it again I believe
I would seal up the mdf just to make sure no moisture would change it's
size...probably not an issue, but couldn't hurt.
You could spend countless hours analysing the pros and cons of using that piece
of paper. I'm not saying that's a bad idea, just not something that gets me
all tingly...
Also, right between the nose piece gussets there's enough room to write something...I
wrote the date each one came out of the jig..see attached.
I say just line it up good and get started. And be sure to let us know how it
feels when you take that first rib out of the jig...
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: JGriff <jgriffith19(at)comcast.net>
>Sent: Aug 28, 2010 4:35 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib drawing
>
>
>I received my plans and am about to construct my rib jig on 3/4" MDF. I didn't
give much thought to using the supplied rib drawing and instead was going to
plot out the shape because so many posts in the archive say not to use it since
the drawing is off due to the xerox reproduction. I just double checked the
drawing and it seems pretty accurate. The chord is 58" which I assume is correct
because it doesn't include the leading or trailing edge. Also the 27 3/4 inch
dim given between the spars is spot on. Has the drawing improved from years
past? I'm thinking of using it - has anyone else used it instead of plotting
it out?
>Thanks.
>Jamie
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413
>
>
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
Jamie,
As Ryan, Rick and Jim indicated, go ahead and use the supplied drawing
without fear.
NX18235 was built using that rib drawing and has happily flown 240+ hours.
No worries......
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "JGriff" <jgriffith19(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 4:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib drawing
>
> I received my plans and am about to construct my rib jig on 3/4" MDF. I
> didn't give much thought to using the supplied rib drawing and instead was
> going to plot out the shape because so many posts in the archive say not
> to use it since the drawing is off due to the xerox reproduction. I just
> double checked the drawing and it seems pretty accurate. The chord is 58"
> which I assume is correct because it doesn't include the leading or
> trailing edge. Also the 27 3/4 inch dim given between the spars is spot
> on. Has the drawing improved from years past? I'm thinking of using it -
> has anyone else used it instead of plotting it out?
> Thanks.
> Jamie
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413
>
>
>
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| From: | "JGriff" <jgriffith19(at)comcast.net> |
Thanks for the quick answers and encouragement. I'll go with the drawing.
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
I used it after I measured it like you did. If its spot on for the spar dim
ension its on for the rest.
Just=C2- the concern is that paper will expand or contact depending on hu
midity etc. If you do your rib jig right away its not going to move.
Cheers,
Jim B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "JGriff" <jgriffith19(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:35:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib drawing
I received my plans and am about to construct my rib jig on 3/4" MDF. I did
n't give much thought to using the supplied rib drawing and instead was goi
ng to plot out the shape because so many posts in the archive say not to us
e it since the drawing is off due to the xerox reproduction. I just double
checked the drawing and it seems pretty accurate. The chord is 58" which I
assume is correct because it doesn't include the leading or trailing edge.
Also the 27 3/4 inch dim given between the spars is spot on. Has the drawin
g improved from years past? I'm thinking of using it - has anyone else used
it instead of plotting it out?
Thanks.
Jamie
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
Guys, one thing that I have found is that every fsdo interperates the FAR's
differently.- What one says is- A-O-K, will be a violation with anothe
r.- Many of the FAR's are so grey that it takes 10 min of study to interp
erate one sentence.- Then, add to that the ego's of some FAA inspectors w
ithin the same fsdo.- I have been an A+P for the airlines for 10 + years,
and can tell you that those who can't do, supervise, those who can't do ei
ther, go to the faa.- My best advise for anyone is when it comes to a maj
or concern, such as wheather or not the engine needs an a+p to sign off the
overhaul, or changing parts not on the TCDS, etc etc, and it is going to b
e a major factor in your making a purchase, call the fsdo and check with th
em 1st.-
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"We're here to help."
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Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
I used the supplied rib template.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JGriff
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib drawing
I received my plans and am about to construct my rib jig on 3/4" MDF. I
didn't give much thought to using the supplied rib drawing and instead was
going to plot out the shape because so many posts in the archive say not to
use it since the drawing is off due to the xerox reproduction. I just double
checked the drawing and it seems pretty accurate. The chord is 58" which I
assume is correct because it doesn't include the leading or trailing edge.
Also the 27 3/4 inch dim given between the spars is spot on. Has the drawing
improved from years past? I'm thinking of using it - has anyone else used it
instead of plotting it out?
Thanks.
Jamie
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413
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| Subject: | Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? |
| From: | Don Rucker <donrucker.ctg(at)gmail.com> |
Help!
I have found a local, 0 time since factory remanufacture Lycoming 0290
(125hp) cheap. It is complete. When I say cheap I am talking less than a
Covair project. This seems an excessive amount of horsepower for a Piet.
Best I can determine this model 0290 weighs 240lb dry. That is not much
different than a model =93A=94 from a weigh perspective. Does anyone know o
f a
successful Piet flying with a 0290? The owner is going to list it Monday so
I must act quickly.
All thoughts welcome.
Thanks,
Don
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks a bunch Roman/Jeff/Ben/Kevin..
Sorry if I tend to reply late, I fly Int'l cargo and left the message when in Brazil
.. or Germany..I think. Yeah, Don in GA said he built a Piet way back when,
so I'd think he would understand the drag of a Piet. All excellent stuff.
Hmmm, now I'm wondering if I should give the 72x42 pitch that Don said is 'standard'
for the A65 some more thought. He did say that it would be plenty safe
to change the size/pitch, since I'll be operating it as an experimental. .. larry
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| Subject: | Re: Continental A65 to A75 (was GN-1) |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks Dan/Oscar...
U guys are the guru's.. I've got the cd's w/maint manuals for the continentals
on them and I'm starting to browse and learn from them. This forum is priceless..
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? |
| From: | "GliderMike" <glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com> |
It would definitely raise the service ceiling, and increase the performance if
you fly anywhere the density altitude is higher. The excess horsepower won't
make a big difference in cruise in anything except fuel consumption, but it will
make a difference in take off and climb performance, especially at heavier
weights.
--------
HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
It's only an excessive amount of power if you open the throttle all the way, and
nobody said you need to open the throttle all the way all the time. Extra power
is nice to have when you need it!
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a piet |
| From: | "taildragger21" <taildragger22003(at)yahoo.com> |
Any more opinions on this plane?? It is a LONG drive..LOL
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: O-235 purchase |
You have a point=2C but I don't think that is interpretation. That would b
e bending and some inspectors might be willing to bend more than others.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: O-235 purchase
> From: glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com
> Date: Sat=2C 28 Aug 2010 14:48:28 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
>
> The interpretation comes into play=2C when the certified engine has non P
MA parts and accessories installed=2C and is rebuilt by someone other than
a person with an A&P rating. If there isn't a paperwork trail on a part goi
ng back to Noah and the Ark=2C it most likely isn't PMA approved=2C at whic
h time the certified engine does not conform to the TCDS=2C and is no longe
r a certified engine. My understanding is=2C the engine and/or propeller ha
s to conform to the TCDS to continue to be a certified engine. The builder
can get a repairman's Certificate after it is completed=2C but he didn't ha
ve one when the engine was rebuilt. Obviously=2C some FSDO people see this
as OK. I suspect there are some who don't see it as OK.
>
> My last two cents.
>
> I get wound up by involving myself in discussions like this=2C and begin
to wonder why I took the time and went to the expense to get an A&P rating.
Especially since I have been looking for a job for nearly 4 months since g
etting the rating. Everyone wants at least 3 to 5 years experience.
>
> --------
> HOMEBUILDER
> Will WORK for Spruce
> Long flights=2C smooth air=2C and soft landings=2C
> GliderMike=2C aka Mike Glasgow
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310416#310416
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? |
This is from the 1988 Operator's Manual 60297-9
O-290-D = 260 lb
O-290-D2A, D2C = 264 lb
O-290-D2B = 265 lb
According to the F&G the "A" weighs 244 lb. Add
radiator, plumbing and water and you're likely looking
at 260 plus lb. So, you guys with A's, how much does
that stuff actually weigh?
I have both a "D" and a "D2". The difference is 6.5:1
compression ratio on the D and 7.5:1 on the D2.
D D2
TO hp 130 140
TO rpm 2800 2800
Rated hp 125 135
Rated rpm 2600 2600
With this kind of power you can balance the rpm/hp
to the performance you want, lower rpm, lower hp
thus lower fuel burn. The approximate rule of thumb
is 0.5 lb of fuel per hp per hour. 2000 rpm on a D2
gives 60 hp. 60 x 0.5 = 30lb/hr. 30lb= 5 gal/hr.
The D, at 2025 rpm, should burn 5 gal/hr. So running
a prop that will cruise at your desired speed at these
rpm will trade off to lesser takeoff and climb performance
than these engines are capable of. So the question is, is
this tradeoff acceptable to you in your circumstance?
Buy the damn engine!!! :-)
Clif
"Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft
might win, by fearing to attempt."
....... William Shakespeare
I have found a local, 0 time since factory remanufacture Lycoming
0290 (125hp) cheap. It is complete. When I say cheap I am talking less
than a Covair project. This seems an excessive amount of horsepower for
a Piet. Best I can determine this model 0290 weighs 240lb dry. That is
not much different than a model =93A=94 from a weigh perspective. Does
anyone know of a successful Piet flying with a 0290? The owner is going
to list it Monday so I must act quickly.
All thoughts welcome.
Thanks,
Don
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| From: | Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: O-235 purchase |
Guys,
My C85 had a clean log book to day one. I put new Slick mags on, and
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