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August 29, 2010 - September 03, 2010
because I was not an A&P my inspector said the engine was not
"certified" and gave me 40 hours, but that's OK I'll go over 40 this
week. Also I'm on my own as far as the Repairman Certificate goes.
Tom Bernie
GN-1 N666TB
On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:48 PM, Doug Dever wrote:
> You have a point, but I don't think that is interpretation. That
would be bending and some inspectors might be willing to bend more than
others.
>
> Doug Dever
> In beautiful Stow Ohio
>
>
>
>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: O-235 purchase
> > From: glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com
> > Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:48:28 -0700
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> >
> > The interpretation comes into play, when the certified engine has
non PMA parts and accessories installed, and is rebuilt by someone other
than a person with an A&P rating. If there isn't a paperwork trail on a
part going back to Noah and the Ark, it most likely isn't PMA approved,
at which time the certified engine does not conform to the TCDS, and is
no longer a certified engine. My understanding is, the engine and/or
propeller has to conform to the TCDS to continue to be a certified
engine. The builder can get a repairman's Certificate after it is
completed, but he didn't have one when the engine was rebuilt.
Obviously, some FSDO people see this as OK. I suspect there are some who
don't see it as OK.
> >
> > My last two cents.
> >
> > I get wound up by involving myself in discussions like this, and
begin to wonder why I took the time and went to the expense to get an
A&P rating. Especially since I have been looking for a job for nearly 4
months since getting the rating. Everyone wants at least 3 to 5 years
experience.
> >
> > --------
> > HOMEBUILDER
> > Will WORK for Spruce
> > Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
> > GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310416#310416
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Good people,
I myself am enjoying my Piet, and really don't mind the 40 hour, Phase-1
fly-off period that is required for a non-certified prop and engine. It
was a long, but enjoyable journey (10 year building process) to get this
far.....I am loving every minute of it. 12 hours flown-off so far. I have
been able to work out a few bugs, such as my nose-heaviness, excessive ra
diator overflow on climb-out, oil leaks, brake adjustments, magneto slippa
ge etc. With every flight I am learning the machine and gaining the requir
ed confidence I will need in order to fly passengers safely. Yesterday I
went on a mini cross country, from Poplar Grove, Bigfoot in Walworth WI,
Dacy in Harvard IL, and back to Poplar Grove. Not very far but neverthele
ss a building block for me and my airplane. I am fortunate to have these
grass strips so conveniently located so close to home. I still haven't ha
d the cohones to try a hard- surface landing. Yesterday I also tried-out
my quick disconnect tail wheel-to-skid set up. Worked like a charm! I cha
nged it at the end of the runway with the engine idling.
At some point I will start loading up the front seat with sandbags.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a piet |
| From: | "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net> |
When I bought my Piet a couple of months ago there was also another one for sale
in Collinsville, OK. I didn't get any pictures of it or any details. I
believe it was Corvair powered and it could be a GN1. I really don't remember
the details but it might be worth a phone call for details and pictures.
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Dan Plett
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off |
I have just finished my 40 hr fly off friday and flew my first xcountry to
Peachstate aerodrome for their vintage day fly in. The flight was wonderfull and
the piet performed great. I had a lot of interest in the piane. Hopefully more
people will stare building. Cheers, Gardiner
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From: "helspersew(at)aol.com" <helspersew(at)aol.com>
Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 9:44:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
Good people,
I myself am enjoying my Piet, and really don't mind the 40 hour, Phase-1 fly-off
period that is required for a non-certified prop and engine. It was a long, but
enjoyable journey (10 year building process) to get this far.....I am loving
every minute of it. 12 hours flown-off so far. I have been able to work out a
few bugs, such as my nose-heaviness, excessive radiator overflow on climb-out,
oil leaks, brake adjustments, magneto slippage etc. With every flight I am
learning the machine and gaining the required confidence I will need in order to
fly passengers safely. Yesterday I went on a mini cross country, from Poplar
Grove, Bigfoot in Walworth WI, Dacy in Harvard IL, and back to Poplar Grove. Not
very far but nevertheless a building block for me and my airplane. I am
fortunate to have these grass strips so conveniently located so close to home.
I
still haven't had the cohones to try a hard- surface landing. Yesterday I also
tried-out my quick disconnect tail wheel-to-skid set up. Worked like a charm! I
changed it at the end of the runway with the engine idling.
At some point I will start loading up the front seat with sandbags.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off |
Hey Gardiner,
Congratulations! What an accomplishment - the first cross country and
to such a good destination for it! Sorry I missed you (and everyone
else) at P-state. We had a broken exhaust stack and ended up pulling,
welding, filing, and fitting. How was the fly-in? Did you get a
chance to stay long? The morning's weather didn't look so good at
2GA9.
Jeff
>I have just finished my 40 hr fly off friday and flew my first
>xcountry to Peachstate aerodrome for their vintage day fly in. The
>flight was wonderfull and the piet performed great. I had a lot of
>interest in the piane. Hopefully more people will stare building.
>Cheers, Gardiner
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
Dan=2C
I personally would mind the 40 hrs either. Takes you that long to learn th
e aircraft. How's the "A" running? You mentioned it was stopping at idle
and thought it was just because it was tight. I'm still leanig heavily to
wards an "A". I would prefer a Warner Scarab Jr or a lambert=2C but they a
re way out of my price range for now.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
Date: Sun=2C 29 Aug 2010 09:44:11 -0400
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Good people=2C
I myself am enjoying my Piet=2C and really don't mind the 40 hour=2C Phase-
1 fly-off period that is required for a non-certified prop and engine. It w
as a long=2C but enjoyable journey (10 year building process) to get this f
ar.....I am loving every minute of it. 12 hours flown-off so far. I have be
en able to work out a few bugs=2C such as my nose-heaviness=2C excessive ra
diator overflow on climb-out=2C oil leaks=2C brake adjustments=2C magneto s
lippage etc. With every flight I am learning the machine and gaining the re
quired confidence I will need in order to fly passengers safely. Yesterday
I went on a mini cross country=2C from Poplar Grove=2C Bigfoot in Walworth
WI=2C Dacy in Harvard IL=2C and back to Poplar Grove. Not very far but neve
rtheless a building block for me and my airplane. I am fortunate to have th
ese grass strips so conveniently located so close to home. I still haven't
had the cohones to try a hard- surface landing. Yesterday I also tried-out
my quick disconnect tail wheel-to-skid set up. Worked like a charm! I chang
ed it at the end of the runway with the engine idling.
At some point I will start loading up the front seat with sandbags.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove=2C IL.
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off |
Jeff, the fly in was great- a lot better than last time. A lot of planes,
antique cars and motorcycles.. The food was handled a lot better too. I left
Lagrange at 11 am and had one shower going over but the rest of the day was
perfect.with some high speed flyovers by a P51anf a T28. Cheers, Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 10:34:32 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
Hey Gardiner,
Congratulations! What an accomplishment - the first cross country and to such a
good destination for it! Sorry I missed you (and everyone else) at P-state. We
had a broken exhaust stack and ended up pulling, welding, filing, and fitting.
How was the fly-in? Did you get a chance to stay long? The morning's weather
didn't look so good at 2GA9.
Jeff
> I have just finished my 40 hr fly off friday and flew my first xcountry to
>Peachstate aerodrome for their vintage day fly in. The flight was wonderfull and
>the piet performed great. I had a lot of interest in the piane. Hopefully more
>people will stare building. Cheers, Gardiner
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 |
| From: | "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net> |
That's great Lorin.
My wife has been asking for a ride in the Piet. The Mooney comment made me laugh.
The majority of my hours are in a Mooney and it pretty much the only GA
airplane my wife has flown in.
It's kind of a culture shock going backwards, so to speak. :D
--------
Dan Plett
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| From: | "JGriff" <jgriffith19(at)comcast.net> |
One more question about spar placement. I know the 27 3/4" measurement on the rib
drawing is the important dimension. If I am going with 3/4" spars than should
I center the 3/4" spars in the 1" spar area so the new measurement distance
between the 2 qty 3/4" spars will now be 28" correct?
Did any of you place a piece of 3/4 x 4 3/4 spar material right on the jig to build
the ribs around or should I not do that.
Thanks again for all the help in getting me started.
Jamie
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310512#310512
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| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off |
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Dan,
Have you done any WAGing of the rate of climb?
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:44 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Good people,
>
> I myself am enjoying my Piet, and really don't mind the 40 hour, Phase-1 f
ly-off period that is required for a non-certified prop and engine. It was a
long, but enjoyable journey (10 year building process) to get this far.....
I am loving every minute of it. 12 hours flown-off so far. I have been able t
o work out a few bugs, such as my nose-heaviness, excessive radiator overflo
w on climb-out, oil leaks, brake adjustments, magneto slippage etc. With eve
ry flight I am learning the machine and gaining the required confidence I wi
ll need in order to fly passengers safely. Yesterday I went on a mini cross c
ountry, from Poplar Grove, Bigfoot in Walworth WI, Dacy in Harvard IL, and b
ack to Poplar Grove. Not very far but nevertheless a building block for me a
nd my airplane. I am fortunate to have these grass strips so conveniently lo
cated so close to home. I still haven't had the cohones to try a hard- surfa
ce landing. Yesterday I also tried-out my quick disconnect tail wheel-to-ski
d set up. Worked like a charm! I changed it at the end of the runway with th
e engine idling.
>
> At some point I will start loading up the front seat with sandbags.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
>
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
I disagree. I think 29" on-center is a better dimension. It matches the 29" between
the attach points on the fuse. And even though WW thinks it's a misguided
belief that one can shift the wing back and forth to correct for CoG issues,
a perfect parallelogram *will* allow for such shifting. I do agree with his assessment
that the attach points for the diagonal cabanes should be heavy duty,
permanent jobs, if not welded, but that's a different issue.
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 28, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
>
> The 27 3/4 is the important dimension. Go ahead and use it!
>
> Ryan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 28, 2010, at 4:35 PM, JGriff wrote:
>
>>
>> I received my plans and am about to construct my rib jig on 3/4" MDF. I didn't
give much thought to using the supplied rib drawing and instead was going to
plot out the shape because so many posts in the archive say not to use it since
the drawing is off due to the xerox reproduction. I just double checked the
drawing and it seems pretty accurate. The chord is 58" which I assume is correct
because it doesn't include the leading or trailing edge. Also the 27 3/4
inch dim given between the spars is spot on. Has the drawing improved from years
past? I'm thinking of using it - has anyone else used it instead of plotting
it out?
>> Thanks.
>> Jamie
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Plans Question |
So, the f&g manual shows no ash. But as Gene pointed out, the original poster was
asking about the ash piece with the wood gear. Where did the poster see this
ash piece? Gene said the plans do not show an ash piece, but people have "added"
it. My plans show both ash pieces, clearly. I am trying to figure out what
plans,(not book or manual) show the fuselage with no ash pieces. It sounds like
there are plans out there different then mine.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Sun, 8/29/10, Clif Dawson wrote:
> From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 3:05 AM
>
>
>
> #yiv1731749888 .yiv1731749888hmmessage P {
> PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px;}
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>
> I'm looking at page 8 of the
> 1932 F&G right now. The
> crossmember at both the
> front and rear landing gear/wing
> strut locations is 1" X
> 3/4" spruce.
>
> Remember also that you're not
> just talking about the
> landing gear but also the
> wing struts. These crossmembers are
> a continuation of the
> strut system. They
> are compression loaded in negative
> G and tension loaded in
> positive G. The
> bottom plywood takes some of this
> load also.
>
> Clif
>
>
> "Perfection is achieved, not
> when there is nothing more to add, but when there is
> nothing left to take away."
> Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
> get what figured out?? My first
>response to him was correct and still stands. He
> asked about the
>dimensions of the ash piece when using the wooden gear,
> and I correctly
>pointed out that per the plans, there is no ash piece in
> the fuselage when
>building the wooden gear.
> Gene
> do not
> archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
All right, I went to the Matronics site and read this thread in the order t
he posts were made. I now see the what Gene is talking about, as well as th
e others and concur. As drawn wood gear, no ash. Improved plans show the as
h, but mods will need to be made to the original wood gear fittings to work
.- My apologies for the confusion.
-
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Doug,
My engine is running like a top, but I can still detect the sputtering on
final at very low idle. I still can't figure out why. Like yesterday, no
sign of induction condensation, but it still happened. Runs fine as soon
as I coast out and on the ground.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:27 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
Dan,
I personally would mind the 40 hrs either. Takes you that long to learn
the aircraft. How's the "A" running? You mentioned it was stopping at
idle and thought it was just because it was tight. I'm still leanig heav
ily towards an "A". I would prefer a Warner Scarab Jr or a lambert, but
they are way out of my price range for now.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 09:44:11 -0400
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Good people,
I myself am enjoying my Piet, and really don't mind the 40 hour, Phase-1
fly-off period that is required for a non-certified prop and engine. It
was a long, but enjoyable journey (10 year building process) to get this
far.....I am loving every minute of it. 12 hours flown-off so far. I have
been able to work out a few bugs, such as my nose-heaviness, excessive ra
diator overflow on climb-out, oil leaks, brake adjustments, magneto slippa
ge etc. With every flight I am learning the machine and gaining the requir
ed confidence I will need in order to fly passengers safely. Yesterday I
went on a mini cross country, from Poplar Grove, Bigfoot in Walworth WI,
Dacy in Harvard IL, and back to Poplar Grove. Not very far but neverthele
ss a building block for me and my airplane. I am fortunate to have these
grass strips so conveniently located so close to home. I still haven't ha
d the cohones to try a hard- surface landing. Yesterday I also tried-out
my quick disconnect tail wheel-to-skid set up. Worked like a charm! I cha
nged it at the end of the runway with the engine idling.
At some point I will start loading up the front seat with sandbags.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Dan,
No I haven't. Mostly because my airspeed indicator is not working right.
As soon as I get that working at a reliable level, I can do some rate-of-
climb tests.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
Hey Dan,
Have you done any WAGing of the rate of climb?
Dan
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Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:44 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
Good people,
I myself am enjoying my Piet, and really don't mind the 40 hour, Phase-1
fly-off period that is required for a non-certified prop and engine. It
was a long, but enjoyable journey (10 year building process) to get this
far.....I am loving every minute of it. 12 hours flown-off so far. I have
been able to work out a few bugs, such as my nose-heaviness, excessive ra
diator overflow on climb-out, oil leaks, brake adjustments, magneto slippa
ge etc. With every flight I am learning the machine and gaining the requir
ed confidence I will need in order to fly passengers safely. Yesterday I
went on a mini cross country, from Poplar Grove, Bigfoot in Walworth WI,
Dacy in Harvard IL, and back to Poplar Grove. Not very far but neverthele
ss a building block for me and my airplane. I am fortunate to have these
grass strips so conveniently located so close to home. I still haven't ha
d the cohones to try a hard- surface landing. Yesterday I also tried-out
my quick disconnect tail wheel-to-skid set up. Worked like a charm! I cha
nged it at the end of the runway with the engine idling.
At some point I will start loading up the front seat with sandbags.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A |
I don't know if you've done this or not, but what about starting the engine
and then raising the tail and setting on a sawhorse/blocking get it to
level, and see if that will duplicate the issue....
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 29, 2010, at 3:20 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
Doug,
My engine is running like a top, but I can still detect the sputtering on
final at very low idle. I still can't figure out why. Like yesterday, no
sign of induction condensation, but it still happened. Runs fine as soon as
I coast out and on the ground.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:27 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
Dan,
I personally would mind the 40 hrs either. Takes you that long to learn the
aircraft. How's the "A" running? You mentioned it was stopping at idle
and thought it was just because it was tight. I'm still leanig heavily
towards an "A". I would prefer a Warner Scarab Jr or a lambert, but they
are way out of my price range for now.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 09:44:11 -0400
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Good people,
I myself am enjoying my Piet, and really don't mind the 40 hour, Phase-1
fly-off period that is required for a non-certified prop and engine. It was
a long, but enjoyable journey (10 year building process) to get this
far.....I am loving every minute of it. 12 hours flown-off so far. I have
been able to work out a few bugs, such as my nose-heaviness, excessive
radiator overflow on climb-out, oil leaks, brake adjustments, magneto
slippage etc. With every flight I am learning the machine and gaining the
required confidence I will need in order to fly passengers safely. Yesterday
I went on a mini cross country, from Poplar Grove, Bigfoot in Walworth WI,
Dacy in Harvard IL, and back to Poplar Grove. Not very far but nevertheless
a building block for me and my airplane. I am fortunate to have these grass
strips so conveniently located so close to home. I still haven't had the
cohones to try a hard- surface landing. Yesterday I also tried-out my quick
disconnect tail wheel-to-skid set up. Worked like a charm! I changed it at
the end of the runway with the engine idling.
At some point I will start loading up the front seat with sandbags.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
I placed a piece of spar material at both spar positions in my rib jig. Wor
ked fine. I'm using 3/4 inch spars.
Jim B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "JGriff" <jgriffith19(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 12:25:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib drawing
One more question about spar placement. I know the 27 3/4" measurement on t
he rib drawing is the important dimension. If I am going with 3/4" spars th
an should I center the 3/4" spars in the 1" spar area so the new measuremen
t distance between the 2 qty 3/4" spars will now be 28" correct?
Did any of you place a piece of 3/4 x 4 3/4 spar material right on the jig
to build the ribs around or should I not do that.
Thanks again for all the help in getting me started.
Jamie
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off |
Way to go Gardiner,
Glad to=C2- see another Corvair Piet get through the 40 hours and join th
e flying fleet. Hopefully we will have three of them in the West coast grou
p soon.
Jim B.
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From: "airlion" <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 7:03:33 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
I have just finished my 40 hr fly off friday and flew my first xcountry to
Peachstate aerodrome for their vintage day fly in. The flight was wonderful
l and the piet performed great.=C2- I had a lot of interest in the piane.
Hopefully more people will stare building. Cheers, Gardiner
From: "helspersew(at)aol.com" <helspersew(at)aol.com>
Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 9:44:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
Good people,
I myself am enjoying my Piet, and really don't mind the 40 hour, Phase-1 fl
y-off period that is required for a non-certified prop and engine. It was a
long, but enjoyable journey (10 year building process) to get this far....
.I am loving every minute of it. 12 hours flown-off so far. I have been abl
e to work out a few bugs, such as my nose-heaviness, excessive radiator ove
rflow on climb-out, oil leaks, brake adjustments, magneto slippage etc. Wit
h every flight I am learning the machine and gaining the required confidenc
e I will need in order to fly passengers safely. Yesterday I went on a mini
cross country, from Poplar Grove, Bigfoot in Walworth WI, Dacy in Harvard
IL, and back to Poplar Grove. Not very far but nevertheless a building bloc
k for me and my airplane. I am fortunate to have these grass strips so conv
eniently located so close to home. I still haven't had the cohones to try a
hard- surface landing. Yesterday I also tried-out my quick disconnect tail
wheel-to-skid set up. Worked like a charm! I changed it at the end of the
runway with the engine idling.
At some point I will start loading up the front seat with sandbags.=C2-
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL. =C2-
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
In order to keep the original print in good shape, my wife suggested that I use
carbon paper and trace the original print to the MDF. At first I thought that
would be difficult, but carbon paper is cheap (especially if you have an Office
Depot or Staples nearby) and the MDF is smooth so I gave it a try. It only
took about 30 minutes and I had an exact reproduction on my jig. This really
helped a lot when it came to placing blocks and cams for aligning the pieces.
Just figured I'd share that since it worked out good for me... I chose to glue
and nail my ribs. If you prefer to clamp, just look around as there are several
other cool variations around here.
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| From: | "JGriff" <jgriffith19(at)comcast.net> |
I'm getting 28.75" between the centerline of both 3/4" spars and 28" from the rear
edge of the front spar to the front edge of the rear spar.
yocum137(at)gmail.com wrote:
> I disagree. I think 29" on-center is a better dimension.
> --
> Dan Yocum
> yocum137(at)gmail.com
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
> On Aug 28, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > The 27 3/4 is the important dimension. Go ahead and use it!
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 28, 2010, at 4:35 PM, JGriff wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I received my plans and am about to construct my rib jig on 3/4" MDF. I didn't
give much thought to using the supplied rib drawing and instead was going
to plot out the shape because so many posts in the archive say not to use it
since the drawing is off due to the xerox reproduction. I just double checked
the drawing and it seems pretty accurate. The chord is 58" which I assume is
correct because it doesn't include the leading or trailing edge. Also the 27 3/4
inch dim given between the spars is spot on. Has the drawing improved from
years past? I'm thinking of using it - has anyone else used it instead of plotting
it out?
> > > Thanks.
> > > Jamie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a piet |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Since Dan brought it up, I'll provide what details I can on Roger White's airplane.
I have been hesitant on offering this info, but I spoke to him Friday night
and he said he wouldn't mind me posting some information here.
Roger completed "Precious Pete" in 1996. While it's not an exact Pietenpol reproduction,
it apparently flies real good according to those who have flown it
and it looks neat. If I remember correctly, he has a long steel tube fuse, metal
empennage, a single point wing attach (rather than the pair of cabanes shown
in the plans), steel gear and a Continental A-65 with metal prop for power.
I don't know much more on the specifics other than I think he was asking $15,000.
That may be negotiable, not sure what he would take.
For those that don't know Roger White... he is a master homebuilder (EAA #41) with
several aircraft to his credit and a super nice guy. He has built several
types, such as the Wittman Tailwind, Cassut Racer and a Glassair to name a few...
he is currently working on a Corvair powered Bolkow Junior.
Jim Ballew is a good friend of Roger's that lives on the same field... he also
frequents the boards here. Perhaps he can offer more details or clarification.
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off |
Dan, I flew 38 hours before I got my nerve up to do a hard surface landing. It
did fine but I do like grass better. I haven't figured the rate of climb test.
All I know is that it takes off in about 350 ft and I can be at 500 ft. by the
end of a 5000 ft runway. After that my roc drops down and my math is not good
enough to go from there. Cheers, gardiner
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From: "helspersew(at)aol.com" <helspersew(at)aol.com>
Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 4:23:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
Dan,
No I haven't. Mostly because my airspeed indicator is not working right. As soon
as I get that working at a reliable level, I can do some rate-of-climb tests.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
Hey Dan,
Have you done any WAGing of the rate of climb?
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:44 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
Good people,
>
>I myself am enjoying my Piet, and really don't mind the 40 hour, Phase-1 fly-off
>period that is required for a non-certified prop and engine. It was a long, but
>enjoyable journey (10 year building process) to get this far.....I am loving
>every minute of it. 12 hours flown-off so far. I have been able to work out a
>few bugs, such as my nose-heaviness, excessive radiator overflow on climb-out,
>oil leaks, brake adjustments, magneto slippage etc. With every flight I am
>learning the machine and gaining the required confidence I will need in order
to
>fly passengers safely. Yesterday I went on a mini cross country, from Poplar
>Grove, Bigfoot in Walworth WI, Dacy in Harvard IL, and back to Poplar Grove. Not
>very far but nevertheless a building block for me and my airplane. I am
>fortunate to have these grass strips so conveniently located so close to home.
I
>still haven't had the cohones to try a hard- surface landing. Yesterday I also
>tried-out my quick disconnect tail wheel-to-skid set up. Worked like a charm!
I
>changed it at the end of the runway with the engine idling.
>
>At some point I will start loading up the front seat with sandbags.
>
>Dan Helsper
>Poplar Grove, IL.
>
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: CG for heavy pilots |
Dan,
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Then for a guy like me (who is 6'0 and 270 lb. mass of water, bones, and fa
t)-should-I then make my fuse longer to compensate for the heaviness of
my weight? It is reasonable for one to figure out the CG by adding the eng
ine weight, weight of pilot, weight of fuse on tail wheel, then-use that
-number to see if you have enough wing movement aft for compensation? Has
anyone figured out what modifications are needed to compensate for a heavi
er pilot say 270?
KMH
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--- On Sun, 8/29/10, Dan Yocum wrote:
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib drawing
Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 2:34 PM
I disagree. I think 29" on-center is a better dimension. It matches the 29"
between the attach points on the fuse. And even though WW thinks it's a mi
sguided belief that one can shift the wing back and forth to correct for Co
G issues, a perfect parallelogram *will* allow for such shifting. I do agre
e with his assessment that the attach points for the diagonal cabanes shoul
d be heavy duty, permanent jobs, if not welded, but that's a different issu
e.
Dan
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yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 28, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
>
> The 27 3/4 is the important dimension. Go ahead and use it!
>
> Ryan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 28, 2010, at 4:35 PM, JGriff wrote:
>
>>
>> I received my plans and am about to construct my rib jig on 3/4" MDF. I
didn't give much thought to using the supplied rib drawing and instead was
going to plot out the shape because so many posts in the archive say not to
use it since the drawing is off due to the xerox reproduction. I just doub
le checked the drawing and it seems pretty accurate. The chord is 58" which
I assume is correct because it doesn't include the leading or trailing edg
e. Also the 27 3/4 inch dim given between the spars is spot on. Has the dra
wing improved from years past? I'm thinking of using it - has anyone else u
sed it instead of plotting it out?
>> Thanks.
>> Jamie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413
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| Subject: | Re: CG for heavy pilots |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Ken,
I think William's point is that you should not design your wing or it's
attach points with the ability to shift them fore or aft whenever you decide
you need to. I would think that a significant factor behind this belief is
the fact that he was burned in an Piet accident where the wing shifted
forward, fuel lines were ruptured, and bad things happened.
You can move the wing fore and aft, while you are building, to correct for a
known CG issue....but your ultimate construction of the diagonal strut
attachment, once you determine where the wing should be ought to be be
permanent (welded), or so beefy that it is just as strong.
Ryan
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 5:57 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote:
> Dan,
>
> Then for a guy like me (who is 6'0 and 270 lb. mass of water, bones, and
> fat) should I then make my fuse longer to compensate for the heaviness of my
> weight? It is reasonable for one to figure out the CG by adding the engine
> weight, weight of pilot, weight of fuse on tail wheel, then use that number
> to see if you have enough wing movement aft for compensation? Has anyone
> figured out what modifications are needed to compensate for a heavier pilot
> say 270?
>
> KMH
> *
> *
> **
>
>
> --- On *Sun, 8/29/10, Dan Yocum * wrote:
>
>
> From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib drawing
> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
> Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 2:34 PM
>
> >
>
> I disagree. I think 29" on-center is a better dimension. It matches the 29"
> between the attach points on the fuse. And even though WW thinks it's a
> misguided belief that one can shift the wing back and forth to correct for
> CoG issues, a perfect parallelogram *will* allow for such shifting. I do
> agree with his assessment that the attach points for the diagonal cabanes
> should be heavy duty, permanent jobs, if not welded, but that's a different
> issue.
>
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> yocum137@gmail.com<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum137@gmail.com>
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
> On Aug 28, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Ryan Mueller http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rmueller23@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > The 27 3/4 is the important dimension. Go ahead and use it!
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 28, 2010, at 4:35 PM, JGriff http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jgriffith19@comcast.net>>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I received my plans and am about to construct my rib jig on 3/4" MDF. I
> didn't give much thought to using the supplied rib drawing and instead was
> going to plot out the shape because so many posts in the archive say not to
> use it since the drawing is off due to the xerox reproduction. I just double
> checked the drawing and it seems pretty accurate. The chord is 58" which I
> assume is correct because it doesn't include the leading or trailing edge.
> Also the 27 3/4 inch dim given between the spars is spot on. Has the drawing
> improved from years past? I'm thinking of using it - has anyone else used it
> instead of plotting it out?
> >> Thanks.
> >> Jamie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413
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| From: | Pietn38b(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a piet |
I think the engine is an 85 and has had a recent top overhaul. The wing
span is longer than standard but I don't know by how much. The fuel tank is
just behind the firewall and I believe about 18 gal. I have never flown
in it but the observed performance seems to be very good. Hope this helps a
little.
Jim Ballew
Piet N38B
In a message dated 8/29/2010 5:13:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
hangar10(at)cox.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC"
Since Dan brought it up, I'll provide what details I can on Roger White's
airplane. I have been hesitant on offering this info, but I spoke to him
Friday night and he said he wouldn't mind me posting some information here.
Roger completed "Precious Pete" in 1996. While it's not an exact
Pietenpol reproduction, it apparently flies real good according to those who have
flown it and it looks neat. If I remember correctly, he has a long steel
tube fuse, metal empennage, a single point wing attach (rather than the pair
of cabanes shown in the plans), steel gear and a Continental A-65 with
metal prop for power. I don't know much more on the specifics other than I
think he was asking $15,000. That may be negotiable, not sure what he would
take.
For those that don't know Roger White... he is a master homebuilder (EAA
#41) with several aircraft to his credit and a super nice guy. He has built
several types, such as the Wittman Tailwind, Cassut Racer and a Glassair
to name a few... he is currently working on a Corvair powered Bolkow Junior.
Jim Ballew is a good friend of Roger's that lives on the same field... he
also frequents the boards here. Perhaps he can offer more details or
clarification.
--------
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| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Ryan,
I've tried that........nothing.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 3:31 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A
I don't know if you've done this or not, but what about starting the engin
e and then raising the tail and setting on a sawhorse/blocking get it to
level, and see if that will duplicate the issue....
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 29, 2010, at 3:20 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
Doug,
My engine is running like a top, but I can still detect the sputtering on
final at very low idle. I still can't figure out why. Like yesterday, no
sign of induction condensation, but it still happened. Runs fine as soon
as I coast out and on the ground.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:27 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
Dan,
I personally would mind the 40 hrs either. Takes you that long to learn
the aircraft. How's the "A" running? You mentioned it was stopping at
idle and thought it was just because it was tight. I'm still leanig heav
ily towards an "A". I would prefer a Warner Scarab Jr or a lambert, but
they are way out of my price range for now.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 09:44:11 -0400
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Good people,
I myself am enjoying my Piet, and really don't mind the 40 hour, Phase-1
fly-off period that is required for a non-certified prop and engine. It
was a long, but enjoyable journey (10 year building process) to get this
far.....I am loving every minute of it. 12 hours flown-off so far. I have
been able to work out a few bugs, such as my nose-heaviness, excessive ra
diator overflow on climb-out, oil leaks, brake adjustments, magneto slippa
ge etc. With every flight I am learning the machine and gaining the requir
ed confidence I will need in order to fly passengers safely. Yesterday I
went on a mini cross country, from Poplar Grove, Bigfoot in Walworth WI,
Dacy in Harvard IL, and back to Poplar Grove. Not very far but neverthele
ss a building block for me and my airplane. I am fortunate to have these
grass strips so conveniently located so close to home. I still haven't ha
d the cohones to try a hard- surface landing. Yesterday I also tried-out
my quick disconnect tail wheel-to-skid set up. Worked like a charm! I cha
nged it at the end of the runway with the engine idling.
At some point I will start loading up the front seat with sandbags.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
This is a WAG level thing....but if you go up to altitude, can you produce
the behavior?
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:53 PM, wrote:
> Hi Ryan,
>
> I've tried that........nothing.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 3:31 pm
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A
>
> I don't know if you've done this or not, but what about starting the
> engine and then raising the tail and setting on a sawhorse/blocking get it
> to level, and see if that will duplicate the issue....
>
> Ryan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 29, 2010, at 3:20 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Doug,
>
> My engine is running like a top, but I can still detect the sputtering on
> final at very low idle. I still can't figure out why. Like yesterday, no
> sign of induction condensation, but it still happened. Runs fine as soon as
> I coast out and on the ground.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:27 am
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
>
> Dan,
>
> I personally would mind the 40 hrs either. Takes you that long to learn
> the aircraft. How's the "A" running? You mentioned it was stopping at
> idle and thought it was just because it was tight. I'm still leanig heavily
> towards an "A". I would prefer a Warner Scarab Jr or a lambert, but they
> are way out of my price range for now.
>
>
> Doug Dever
> In beautiful Stow Ohio
>
>
> ------------------------------
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 09:44:11 -0400
> From: <helspersew(at)aol.com>helspersew(at)aol.com
>
> Good people,
>
> I myself am enjoying my Piet, and really don't mind the 40 hour, Phase-1
> fly-off period that is required for a non-certified prop and engine. It was
> a long, but enjoyable journey (10 year building process) to get this
> far.....I am loving every minute of it. 12 hours flown-off so far. I have
> been able to work out a few bugs, such as my nose-heaviness, excessive
> radiator overflow on climb-out, oil leaks, brake adjustments, magneto
> slippage etc. With every flight I am learning the machine and gaining the
> required confidence I will need in order to fly passengers safely. Yesterday
> I went on a mini cross country, from Poplar Grove, Bigfoot in Walworth WI,
> Dacy in Harvard IL, and back to Poplar Grove. Not very far but nevertheless
> a building block for me and my airplane. I am fortunate to have these grass
> strips so conveniently located so close to home. I still haven't had the
> cohones to try a hard- surface landing. Yesterday I also tried-out my quick
> disconnect tail wheel-to-skid set up. Worked like a charm! I changed it at
> the end of the runway with the engine idling.
>
> At some point I will start loading up the front seat with sandbags.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
Yep. Sounds about right. If you want, split the difference and move each one apart
1/8" to get the 29" on-center measurement. N8031 is 29" OC and it flies just
fine.
Dan
--
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yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 29, 2010, at 5:10 PM, JGriff wrote:
>
> I'm getting 28.75" between the centerline of both 3/4" spars and 28" from the
rear edge of the front spar to the front edge of the rear spar.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a piet |
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
No, no. That's not the one I was talking about. That looks more like a Piet than
the one I'm talking about - Roger's plane looks pretty nice, actually. I like
the cowling and the combing is the smoothest I've ever seen.
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 29, 2010, at 6:12 PM, K5YAC wrote:
>
> Since Dan brought it up, I'll provide what details I can on Roger White's airplane.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
That's one way to do it. The other way is to build the ribs to the plans
with a 1" wide piece in the spar position then add 1/8" ply spacers on
either side of the 3/4" spar when you install the ribs on the spars.
rick
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:25 PM, JGriff wrote:
>
> One more question about spar placement. I know the 27 3/4" measurement on
> the rib drawing is the important dimension. If I am going with 3/4" spars
> than should I center the 3/4" spars in the 1" spar area so the new
> measurement distance between the 2 qty 3/4" spars will now be 28" correct?
> Did any of you place a piece of 3/4 x 4 3/4 spar material right on the jig
> to build the ribs around or should I not do that.
> Thanks again for all the help in getting me started.
> Jamie
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310512#310512
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Or get a piece of plexiglass from Home Depot to lay over the rib drawing
(and that you nail your rib jig blocks to).
rick
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 3:00 PM, K5YAC wrote:
>
> In order to keep the original print in good shape, my wife suggested that I
> use carbon paper and trace the original print to the MDF. At first I
> thought that would be difficult, but carbon paper is cheap (especially if
> you have an Office Depot or Staples nearby) and the MDF is smooth so I gave
> it a try. It only took about 30 minutes and I had an exact reproduction on
> my jig. This really helped a lot when it came to placing blocks and cams
> for aligning the pieces.
>
> Just figured I'd share that since it worked out good for me... I chose to
> glue and nail my ribs. If you prefer to clamp, just look around as there
> are several other cool variations around here.
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310535#310535
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing_jig_342.jpg
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A |
I wonder if it is from the windmilling of the prop?- Think of the rumblin
g and popping that come with down shifting a car to a lower gear at idle wh
ile slowing down.- Just another w.a.g.- Does it do it at idle with the
nose up (while flying)-. At a low idle, and nose down-the wind is-dri
ving the prop-faster than your static idle speed-,-possibly just raw
fuel that comes on through the exsaust,- with the throttle closed the air
is restricted, the engine being spun up a little faster as a result of the
relitive wind turning the prop, possibly sucks a little more fuel through
the carb venturi, and causes a temporary rich condition.
-
Just a few thoughts, not sure if they are valid or not.-
-
Shad-
--- On Sun, 8/29/10, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A
Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 7:53 PM
Hi Ryan,
-
I've tried that........nothing.
-
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 3:31 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A
I don't know if you've done this or not, but what about starting the engine
and then raising the tail and setting on a sawhorse/blocking get it to lev
el, and see if that will duplicate the issue....
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 29, 2010, at 3:20 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
Doug,
-
My engine is running like a top, but I can still detect the sputtering on f
inal at very low idle. I still can't figure out why. Like yesterday, no sig
n of induction condensation, but it still happened. Runs fine as soon as I
coast out and on the ground.
-
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:27 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
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Dan,
-
I personally would mind the 40 hrs either.- Takes you that long to learn
the aircraft.-- How's the "A" running?- You mentioned it was stopping
at idle and thought it was just because it was tight.- I'm still leanig
heavily towards an "A".- I would prefer a Warner Scarab Jr or a lambert,
but they are way out of my price range for now.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
-
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 09:44:11 -0400
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Good people,
-
I myself am enjoying my Piet, and really don't mind the 40 hour, Phase-1 fl
y-off period that is required for a non-certified prop and engine. It was a
long, but enjoyable journey (10 year building process) to get this far....
.I am loving every minute of it. 12 hours flown-off so far. I have been abl
e to work out a few bugs, such as my nose-heaviness, excessive radiator ove
rflow on climb-out, oil leaks, brake adjustments, magneto slippage etc. Wit
h every flight I am learning the machine and gaining the required confidenc
e I will need in order to fly passengers safely. Yesterday I went on a mini
cross country, from Poplar Grove, Bigfoot in Walworth WI, Dacy in Harvard
IL, and back to Poplar Grove. Not very far but nevertheless a building bloc
k for me and my airplane. I am fortunate to have these grass strips so conv
eniently located so close to home. I still haven't had the cohones to try a
hard- surface landing. Yesterday I also tried-out my quick
disconnect tail wheel-to-skid set up. Worked like a charm! I changed it at
the end of the runway with the engine idling.
-
At some point I will start loading up the front seat with sandbags.-
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Poplar Grove, IL. -
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: testing on pavement |
I thought it was kind of tense sometimes while we did the 1st 20 hrs or so
on a paved runway, but we did not have a steerable tailwheel.- It was bas
ically a rolling tailskid, fixed and not movable.- It definitly keeps you
r feet busy, and some times I needed a blast of power to keep the tail behi
nd me during crosswind landings.- BUT, now with the steerable tailwheel,
pavement is not a big deal, just a little rougher on the tires.
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| Subject: | Re: CG for heavy pilots |
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
I'm on vacation this week, so I'm going on memory here - the long fuse adds m
ost of the length in the nose, not the tail, so yes it'll help with a heavie
r guy like you. There's a limit to the amout you can shift the wing back to m
odify the CoG. I think I've read that some people have tilted the cabanes ba
ck by up to 4", but it looks a bit odd.
Then again, the long nose on N8031 looks a bit odd too, so... Take yer pick o
f oddities.
;-)
Dan
--
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yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 29, 2010, at 6:57 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote
:
> Dan,
>
> Then for a guy like me (who is 6'0 and 270 lb. mass of water, bones, and f
at) should I then make my fuse longer to compensate for the heaviness of my w
eight? It is reasonable for one to figure out the CG by adding the engine we
ight, weight of pilot, weight of fuse on tail wheel, then use that number to
see if you have enough wing movement aft for compensation? Has anyone figur
ed out what modifications are needed to compensate for a heavier pilot say 2
70?
>
> KMH
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 8/29/10, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
> From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib drawing
> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
> Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 2:34 PM
>
>
> I disagree. I think 29" on-center is a better dimension. It matches the 29
" between the attach points on the fuse. And even though WW thinks it's a mi
sguided belief that one can shift the wing back and forth to correct for CoG
issues, a perfect parallelogram *will* allow for such shifting. I do agree w
ith his assessment that the attach points for the diagonal cabanes should be
heavy duty, permanent jobs, if not welded, but that's a different issue.
>
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> yocum137(at)gmail.com
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
> On Aug 28, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
>
>
> >
> > The 27 3/4 is the important dimension. Go ahead and use it!
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 28, 2010, at 4:35 PM, JGriff wrote:
> >
>
> >>
> >> I received my plans and am about to construct my rib jig on 3/4" MDF. I
didn't give much thought to using the supplied rib drawing and instead was g
oing to plot out the shape because so many posts in the archive say not to u
se it since the drawing is off due to the xerox reproduction. I just double c
hecked the drawing and it seems pretty accurate. The chord is 58" which I as
sume is correct because it doesn't include the leading or trailing edge. Als
o the 27 3/4 inch dim given between the spars is spot on. Has the drawing im
proved from years past? I'm thinking of using it - has anyone else used it i
nstead of plotting it out?
> >> Thanks.
> >> Jamie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413
> >>
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| Subject: | Re: CG for heavy pilots |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Knowing that almost all Pietenpols are tail heavy (sometimes even after
moving the wing back several inches) and after reading an interview with
Bernard where he suggested moving the firewall forward 6 inches (when using
a non-Model -A engine) I decided to do the same. I figured why build an
engine mount with say 12" of extra length to get within CG when you can add
6" to the front of the fuselage and 6" to the mount and have the extra leg
room and fuel tank room? Yes I know it adds weight but an extended mount and
cowling adds weight too.
To answer your question the two primary means you have to compensate for
your weight is moving the wing back and moving the engine forward (assuming
you don't want to redesign the the whole thing). After completing my
airframe I borrowed some aircraft scales, assembled the airframe, added a
100 lbs of scrap iron behind the firewall at the fuel tank position, and got
the weights on both mains and the tailwheel with me sitting in it (setup
with top longerons horizontal ). From that data you can back calculate where
the engine needs to be to be within CG (15 to 20 inches aft of the leading
edge).
Preliminary W&B indicates that I shouldn't have to move my wing back
(Corvair engine, long fuselage plans, and I weight 200). But I have not yet
flown so all this is currently just idle speculation.
rick
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:57 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote:
> Dan,
>
> Then for a guy like me (who is 6'0 and 270 lb. mass of water, bones, and
> fat) should I then make my fuse longer to compensate for the heaviness of my
> weight? It is reasonable for one to figure out the CG by adding the engine
> weight, weight of pilot, weight of fuse on tail wheel, then use that number
> to see if you have enough wing movement aft for compensation? Has anyone
> figured out what modifications are needed to compensate for a heavier pilot
> say 270?
>
> KMH
> *
> *
> **
>
>
> --- On *Sun, 8/29/10, Dan Yocum * wrote:
>
>
> From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib drawing
> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
> Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 2:34 PM
>
> >
>
> I disagree. I think 29" on-center is a better dimension. It matches the 29"
> between the attach points on the fuse. And even though WW thinks it's a
> misguided belief that one can shift the wing back and forth to correct for
> CoG issues, a perfect parallelogram *will* allow for such shifting. I do
> agree with his assessment that the attach points for the diagonal cabanes
> should be heavy duty, permanent jobs, if not welded, but that's a different
> issue.
>
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> yocum137@gmail.com<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum137@gmail.com>
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
> On Aug 28, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Ryan Mueller http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rmueller23@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > The 27 3/4 is the important dimension. Go ahead and use it!
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 28, 2010, at 4:35 PM, JGriff http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jgriffith19@comcast.net>>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I received my plans and am about to construct my rib jig on 3/4" MDF. I
> didn't give much thought to using the supplied rib drawing and instead was
> going to plot out the shape because so many posts in the archive say not to
> use it since the drawing is off due to the xerox reproduction. I just double
> checked the drawing and it seems pretty accurate. The chord is 58" which I
> assume is correct because it doesn't include the leading or trailing edge.
> Also the 27 3/4 inch dim given between the spars is spot on. Has the drawing
> improved from years past? I'm thinking of using it - has anyone else used it
> instead of plotting it out?
> >> Thanks.
> >> Jamie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: CG for heavy pilots |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
The 1933 fuselage is 163" and the long fuse is 172 3/8". The long fuse moves
the firewall forward 2", the rear seat back 2", and all the rest is behind
the rear seat. If you are concerned about aft CG you are better off with the
short fuselage (even if you are going to use a Corvair or O-200).
rick
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
> I'm on vacation this week, so I'm going on memory here - the long fuse adds
> most of the length in the nose, not the tail, so yes it'll help with a
> heavier guy like you. There's a limit to the amout you can shift the wing
> back to modify the CoG. I think I've read that some people have tilted the
> cabanes back by up to 4", but it looks a bit odd.
>
> Then again, the long nose on N8031 looks a bit odd too, so... Take yer pick
> of oddities.
>
> ;-)
>
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> yocum137(at)gmail.com
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
> On Aug 29, 2010, at 6:57 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
> wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> Then for a guy like me (who is 6'0 and 270 lb. mass of water, bones, and
> fat) should I then make my fuse longer to compensate for the heaviness of my
> weight? It is reasonable for one to figure out the CG by adding the engine
> weight, weight of pilot, weight of fuse on tail wheel, then use that number
> to see if you have enough wing movement aft for compensation? Has anyone
> figured out what modifications are needed to compensate for a heavier pilot
> say 270?
>
> KMH
> *
> *
> **
>
>
> --- On *Sun, 8/29/10, Dan Yocum * wrote:
>
>
> From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib drawing
> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
> Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 2:34 PM
>
> yocum137(at)gmail.com>
>
> I disagree. I think 29" on-center is a better dimension. It matches the 29"
> between the attach points on the fuse. And even though WW thinks it's a
> misguided belief that one can shift the wing back and forth to correct for
> CoG issues, a perfect parallelogram *will* allow for such shifting. I do
> agree with his assessment that the attach points for the diagonal cabanes
> should be heavy duty, permanent jobs, if not welded, but that's a different
> issue.
>
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> <http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum137@gmail.com>
> yocum137(at)gmail.com
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
> On Aug 28, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Ryan Mueller <<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rmueller23@gmail.com>
> rmueller23(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
> >
> > The 27 3/4 is the important dimension. Go ahead and use it!
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 28, 2010, at 4:35 PM, JGriff <<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jgriffith19@comcast.net>
> jgriffith19(at)comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> jgriffith19(at)comcast.net>
> >>
> >> I received my plans and am about to construct my rib jig on 3/4" MDF. I
> didn't give much thought to using the supplied rib drawing and instead was
> going to plot out the shape because so many posts in the archive say not to
> use it since the drawing is off due to the xerox reproduction. I just double
> checked the drawing and it seems pretty accurate. The chord is 58" which I
> assume is correct because it doesn't include the leading or trailing edge.
> Also the 27 3/4 inch dim given between the spars is spot on. Has the drawing
> improved from years past? I'm thinking of using it - has anyone else used it
> instead of plotting it out?
> >> Thanks.
> >> Jamie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Yes it does the same thing at altitude.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:01 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A
This is a WAG level thing....but if you go up to altitude, can you produce
the behavior?
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:53 PM, wrote:
Hi Ryan,
I've tried that........nothing.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 3:31 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A
I don't know if you've done this or not, but what about starting the engin
e and then raising the tail and setting on a sawhorse/blocking get it to
level, and see if that will duplicate the issue....
Ryan
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On Aug 29, 2010, at 3:20 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
Doug,
My engine is running like a top, but I can still detect the sputtering on
final at very low idle. I still can't figure out why. Like yesterday, no
sign of induction condensation, but it still happened. Runs fine as soon
as I coast out and on the ground.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:27 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
Dan,
I personally would mind the 40 hrs either. Takes you that long to learn
the aircraft. How's the "A" running? You mentioned it was stopping at
idle and thought it was just because it was tight. I'm still leanig heav
ily towards an "A". I would prefer a Warner Scarab Jr or a lambert, but
they are way out of my price range for now.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 09:44:11 -0400
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Good people,
I myself am enjoying my Piet, and really don't mind the 40 hour, Phase-1
fly-off period that is required for a non-certified prop and engine. It
was a long, but enjoyable journey (10 year building process) to get this
far.....I am loving every minute of it. 12 hours flown-off so far. I have
been able to work out a few bugs, such as my nose-heaviness, excessive ra
diator overflow on climb-out, oil leaks, brake adjustments, magneto slippa
ge etc. With every flight I am learning the machine and gaining the requir
ed confidence I will need in order to fly passengers safely. Yesterday I
went on a mini cross country, from Poplar Grove, Bigfoot in Walworth WI,
Dacy in Harvard IL, and back to Poplar Grove. Not very far but neverthele
ss a building block for me and my airplane. I am fortunate to have these
grass strips so conveniently located so close to home. I still haven't ha
d the cohones to try a hard- surface landing. Yesterday I also tried-out
my quick disconnect tail wheel-to-skid set up. Worked like a charm! I cha
nged it at the end of the runway with the engine idling.
At some point I will start loading up the front seat with sandbags.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Shad,
I think your line of reasoning is on to something. I can duplicate this sp
uttering at altitude, with the nose low or nose level. It has something to
do with the windmilling as you say. How to make it stop I haven't figured
that out yet.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:27 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A
I wonder if it is from the windmilling of the prop? Think of the rumbling
and popping that come with down shifting a car to a lower gear at idle wh
ile slowing down. Just another w.a.g. Does it do it at idle with the nos
e up (while flying) . At a low idle, and nose down the wind is driving the
prop faster than your static idle speed , possibly just raw fuel that com
es on through the exsaust, with the throttle closed the air is restricted
, the engine being spun up a little faster as a result of the relitive win
d turning the prop, possibly sucks a little more fuel through the carb ven
turi, and causes a temporary rich condition.
Just a few thoughts, not sure if they are valid or not.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | what it is like to fly a Pietenpol---told thru friend |
of Rob Bach, GOOD READ
Fellow Pietenpol enthusiast, builder, pilot, and owner Rob Bach gave this u
nique lady her tailwheel endorsement and let her
SOLO his Pietenpol and she posted this GREAT story about her experience.
Thanks Rob for sharing the gift of open cockpit flying and getting this lad
y a logbook entry and experience that she will never forget.
Mike C.
http://www.myskymom.com/2010/07/25/heaven-is-a-grass-runway-in-the-heartlan
d-the-story-of-my-tailwheel-endorsement/
To me this what our kind of flying is all about. Build, learn, fly, sh
are, infect others and don't look back.
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| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Dan,
Not sure which carburetor you're running, but my experience of having owned a Model
A, along with a lot of experience with engines and carburetors in general,
leads me to believe the issue is in carburetion.
In general, a mixture that becomes slightly rich will make the engine run rough,
where a lean mixture will make the engine produce a light exhaust popping sound
(or in my 40-ish year old memory of this, it the other way around?).
Are you able to pull a plug immediately after landing to see what the color of
the electrode is? For a rich mixture it will be black to sooty, for lean it
will be gray to white, and for close to stoichiometric, it will be chocolatey
in color. Due to the nature of "coloring" the plug, it may take several minutes
of continued operation under the condition you experience to produce a visible
result on the plug... and an inexact or short run could be misleading.
Hope this helps.
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Tom Kreiner
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
I cut little blocks out of the thickest plexi I could get - about 1/4" - and
super glued them to the plexi sheet. Works great and those blocks are unmov
eable (unfortunately).
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
> Or get a piece of plexiglass from Home Depot to lay over the rib drawing (
and that you nail your rib jig blocks to).
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use carbon paper and trace the original print to the MDF. At first I thoug
ht that would be difficult, but carbon paper is cheap (especially if you hav
e an Office Depot or Staples nearby) and the MDF is smooth so I gave it a tr
y. It only took about 30 minutes and I had an exact reproduction on my jig.
This really helped a lot when it came to placing blocks and cams for align
ing the pieces.
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> Just figured I'd share that since it worked out good for me... I chose to g
lue and nail my ribs. If you prefer to clamp, just look around as there are
several other cool variations around here.
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
>
>In general, a mixture that becomes slightly rich will make the engine run rough,
where a lean mixture will make the engine produce a light exhaust popping sound
(or in my 40-ish year old memory of this, it the other way around?).
Interesting that you mention this. I have experienced that popping sound on my
A. And just yesterday pulled a couple plugs (and inserted lifting lugs into
the plug holes so I could remove the engine for some cleaning/painting) and the
plugs were very black/sooty. Figured from that it had been running rich. Now
I know! Or at least know what to listen for next time!
Thanks
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | The purist and seat belts |
I am curious if the original Pietenpols had/used seat belts? If they did no
t, are the purists among us installing them anyway, or are there people bui
lding with out?-
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: testing on pavement |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Yup. My little tire on my rolling tailskid wore down so quickly on pavement, and
was so inconvenient to taxi, that I didn't last more than 5 landings before
I went to the steerable tailwheel. Never a problem on grass, of course, but
there aren't that many grass runways.
Axel
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
I've never seen one without at least lap belts.
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
That is an odd looking "Pietenpol".
Verrrry long nose, modified tail, and different landing gear are the obvious differences.
According to the chapter website
http://www.eaa1218.org/index.php/chapter-projects/pietenpol/142-piet-mission
they added EIGHTEEN inches to the nose!
Can't say I've seen one like that before.
But then, I can't say I've seen a Piet for sale with an asking price of $21K before,
either.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Gosh, with a nose that long, they might as well have used a small turboprop engine
to go with all the other mods they built into this "Pietenpol". This is certainly
not an airplane worthy of consideraton by for the Piet purist!
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | 40 hour fly-off, state of model A |
Dan=2C seeing all of the responses=2C and all equally plausible=2C I though
t I'd throw another possibility. Could the popping merely be acoustic=2C a
result of the short stacks and having to do with the back pressure at low
power setting??? Any way to change the length or angle of the stacks to se
e if it makes a difference??
Gene
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off=2C state of model A
Date: Sun=2C 29 Aug 2010 16:20:57 -0400
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Doug=2C
My engine is running like a top=2C but I can still detect the sputtering on
final at very low idle. I still can't figure out why. Like yesterday=2C no
sign of induction condensation=2C but it still happened. Runs fine as soon
as I coast out and on the ground.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove=2C IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sun=2C Aug 29=2C 2010 10:27 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
Dan=2C
I personally would mind the 40 hrs either. Takes you that long to learn th
e aircraft. How's the "A" running? You mentioned it was stopping at idle
and thought it was just because it was tight. I'm still leanig heavily to
wards an "A". I would prefer a Warner Scarab Jr or a lambert=2C but they a
re way out of my price range for now.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
Date: Sun=2C 29 Aug 2010 09:44:11 -0400
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Good people=2C
I myself am enjoying my Piet=2C and really don't mind the 40 hour=2C Phase-
1 fly-off period that is required for a non-certified prop and engine. It w
as a long=2C but enjoyable journey (10 year building process) to get this f
ar.....I am loving every minute of it. 12 hours flown-off so far. I have be
en able to work out a few bugs=2C such as my nose-heaviness=2C excessive ra
diator overflow on climb-out=2C oil leaks=2C brake adjustments=2C magneto s
lippage etc. With every flight I am learning the machine and gaining the re
quired confidence I will need in order to fly passengers safely. Yesterday
I went on a mini cross country=2C from Poplar Grove=2C Bigfoot in Walworth
WI=2C Dacy in Harvard IL=2C and back to Poplar Grove. Not very far but neve
rtheless a building block for me and my airplane. I am fortunate to have th
ese grass strips so conveniently located so close to home. I still haven't
had the cohones to try a hard- surface landing. Yesterday I also tried-out
my quick disconnect tail wheel-to-skid set up. Worked like a charm! I chang
ed it at the end of the runway with the engine idling.
At some point I will start loading up the front seat with sandbags.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove=2C IL.
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Any Piet folks in the Chattanooga area? |
I'm there until Friday and would sure enjoy a visit....
jm
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale |
To me.... with a engine that far out front....it could pass as an agricultu
ral spray plane!
-KMH
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--- On Mon, 8/30/10, Billy McCaskill wrote:
From: Billy McCaskill <billmz(at)cox.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale
Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 1:55 PM
Gosh, with a nose that long, they might as well have used a small turboprop
engine to go with all the other mods they built into this "Pietenpol".-
This is certainly not an airplane worthy of consideraton by for the Piet pu
rist!
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Urbana, IL
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
As you all know, I am somewhat of a purist, but I have compromised in some
areas for the sake of safety or reliability. I have a five-point safety
harness for both seats. Also, I have dual, independent ignition.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:21 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts
I am curious if the original Pietenpols had/used seat belts? If they did
not, are the purists among us installing them anyway, or are there people
building with out?
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
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| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Dan,
Recently, I had the opportunity to fly Allen Rudolph's old Piet, now owned by Frank
Pavliga. Quite a flying machine! At Brodhead it was refitted with the engine
that used to be in Jack McCarthy's Piet. When I throttled back I seemed
to remember some light popping and sputtering that seemed to continue through
final. In fact, I noticed it enough to ask Frank and Andrew King about it after
landing. Neither seemed to be very concerned. I know Andrew watches this
list, so maybe he'll chime in.
By the way, I really think if I were to build another Piet I'd do my best to replicate
THAT one. What a beautiful flying airplane!
Don Emch
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | The purist and seat belts |
You probably also did not use cotton muslin or Irish linen to cover your
airplane. Dacron?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts
As you all know, I am somewhat of a purist, but I have compromised in some
areas for the sake of safety or reliability. I have a five-point safety
harness for both seats. Also, I have dual, independent ignition.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:21 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts
I am curious if the original Pietenpols had/used seat belts? If they did
not, are the purists among us installing them anyway, or are there people
building with out?
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Pieters,
On Saturday I was able to give a ride in my Aeronca to my cousin's 7 year
old son. His name is Axel. Cutest kid ever. He was super excited about se
eing me fly the Piet, and his ride in the Aeronca. With a name like that
he is destined to be a pilot.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
OK, OK, yes, there are a FEW other areas of compromise. Please don't make
me list them all.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:57 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts
You probably also did not use cotton muslin or Irish linen to cover your
airplane. Dacron?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts
As you all know, I am somewhat of a purist, but I have compromised in some
areas for the sake of safety or reliability. I have a five-point safety
harness for both seats. Also, I have dual, independent ignition.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:21 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts
I am curious if the original Pietenpols had/used seat belts? If they did
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I was spared having to make the decision. Corky finished 41CC in early Army Air
Corps paint, so the military harness is completely in keeping with the airplane.
Four-point is what you might call it... military OD belts with quick-release
belt buckle, and the shoulder straps engage metal tabs on the lap belts.
Hard to describe but best to just call it a military 4-point harness. Lap belts
with Y-configured shoulder harnesses... the shoulder harnesses are single-point
attach aft, with straps over the shoulders down to the lap belts.
After 41CC went nose-over a few years ago, the harness was the only thing that
kept old Charlie from dumping out of the cockpit or doing more damage than just
getting the ignition key buried into his forehead. You can end up 100% "period
authentic" but dead. Nobody will ever sneer at you for having belts in the
airplane. If they do, they've probably never built or flown an experimental
anyway.
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Some things just seem like common sense. The Model-T didn't have seat belts but
the steering had a habit of jack knifing easily. Probably would have been a
lot more older Model-T drivers if seat belts were in fashion in those days.
Jon
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? & updated website with Broadhead |
pictures
| From: | Don Rucker <donrucker.ctg(at)gmail.com> |
All,
Thank you to everyone that took time to offer your thoughts on a 0290
powered Piet. I value the help and advice of this community very much. "Piet
people" are the best! If the condition of the 0290 turns out to be as
reported I intend to buy it. I will keep you posted.
On another note, I finally got around to updating our project website. It
now includes a tab for Broadhead with some pics some of you might enjoy.
www.firstwings.net
Thanks,
Don
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
Seat belts weren't even required until the late 60s. Studebaker was the fi
rst to make them std eq in 1959. I'm currently restoring a '63 Ford Falcon
and=2C you guessed it. No seatbelts. Evedently you didn't need them in 1
963.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts
> From: coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net
> Date: Mon=2C 30 Aug 2010 20:31:28 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
t.net>
>
> Some things just seem like common sense. The Model-T didn't have seat bel
ts but the steering had a habit of jack knifing easily. Probably would have
been a lot more older Model-T drivers if seat belts were in fashion in tho
se days.
>
> Jon
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
Copy that. My dad is the original owner of a '63 Bonneville and it does not
have seat belts.
FYI, my plane will, I was just curious how far a purist will go to be, well
, pure...as it were.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Doug Dever wrote:
From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 7:15 AM
=0A=0A=0ASeat belts weren't even required until the late 60s.- Studebaker
was the first to make them std eq in 1959.- I'm currently restoring a '6
3 Ford Falcon and, you guessed it.- No seatbelts.- Evedently you didn't
need them in 1963.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
-
=0A> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts
> From: coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:31:28 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
t.net>
>
> Some things just seem like common sense. The Model-T didn't have seat bel
ts but the steering had a habit of jack knifing easily. Probably would have
been a lot more older Model-T drivers if seat belts were in fashion in tho
se days.
>
> Jon
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
I got the cheapest one I could find- the ACK E-01 from everything I have read
it's still legal and once it's signed off I'm not going to worry too much about
them fir a while.just have to get that airworthiness certificate.that is one
of the things on the list the DAR will not sign off without
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The Great Waldo Pepper |
>>>On Saturday I was able to give a ride in my Aeronca to my cousin's 7
year old son. His name is Axel.
Dan:
Did you send him after fuel - 5-gallons at a time - and promise him a
"free" ride at the end of the day?
Stinemetze
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
| From: | mike Hardaway <bkemike(at)gmail.com> |
At some level, purism Darwinizes itself out of existence. Let's not be too
silly with these threads.
Mike Hardaway
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> Copy that. My dad is the original owner of a '63 Bonneville and it does not
> have seat belts.
>
> FYI, my plane will, I was just curious how far a purist will go to be,
> well, pure...as it were.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> --- On *Tue, 8/31/10, Doug Dever * wrote:
>
>
> [snip]
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | off list topic but an important warning to us all |
During my morning reading and scan I came across this article as another
tragic event unfolded to take the life of a fellow aviator. The article
really demonstrates that no matter how experienced we are or well intended
,
tragedy can strike immediately and with dire consequences.
John
_Weymouth man killed by propeller at Beverly airport_
(http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/08/weymouth_man_ki.ht
ml)
By L. Finch, Globe Correspondent
A 30-year-old flight instructor from Weymouth was struck and killed this
afternoon by an airplane propeller at Beverly Municipal Airport when the
man
exited his aircraft to help another pilot, officials said.
Michael Costales was waiting to taxi his single-engine aircraft to runway
34 when he noticed a plane ahead of him, carrying a pilot and a student
pilot, having trouble with its canopy, according to the Essex district at
torney=99
s office, which conducted a preliminary investigation of the incident.
Though details were unclear today about what happened next, when he got ou
t
to help the other plane, Costales was struck by his own propeller, the
district attorney=99s office said.
His death appears to be an accident, officials said. The airport was close
d
for a couple of hours after the incident.
Costales was the head flight instructor for the Beverly Flight Center, a
flight school at the airport, where he had worked the past decade, said Pa
ul
Vitale, chairman of the Beverly Airport Commission.
"He was a great guy, loved the airport, and loved his job," Vitale said.
"It=99s just a tragedy."
The FAA, the federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration, and th
e
National Transportation Safety Board are investigating.
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
Mine will too. I am a purist=2C but I'm not stupid...well...most of the ti
me. If I read an earlier post correctly even BHP used a seat belt. Albeit
a crude one. I like to say mine will be as true to the original as safely
possible. Keeping in mind I will be flying off of a paved strip. They cl
osed the 2 sod strips at my local airport. Mostly due to stupidity and mil
k toast management. So there is only a 4000ft paved strip now.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Date: Tue=2C 31 Aug 2010 05:20:55 -0700
From: speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts
Copy that. My dad is the original owner of a '63 Bonneville and it does not
have seat belts.
FYI=2C my plane will=2C I was just curious how far a purist will go to be
=2C well=2C pure...as it were.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Tue=2C 8/31/10=2C Doug Dever wrote:
From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts
Date: Tuesday=2C August 31=2C 2010=2C 7:15 AM
Seat belts weren't even required until the late 60s. Studebaker was the fi
rst to make them std eq in 1959. I'm currently restoring a '63 Ford Falcon
and=2C you guessed it. No seatbelts. Evedently you didn't need them in 1
963.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts
> From: coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net
> Date: Mon=2C 30 Aug 2010 20:31:28 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
t.net>
>
> Some things just seem like common sense. The Model-T didn't have seat bel
ts but the steering had a habit of jack knifing easily. Probably would have
been a lot more older Model-T drivers if seat belts were in fashion in tho
se days.
>
> Jon
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310768#310768
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | off list topic but an important warning to us all |
Always amazed me how people can do something like this. especially an expe
rienced pilot. I have done some pretty dumb things occasionally=2C but onl
y once. I am extremely allergic to airplane propellers as I am sharks so I
tend to steer clear. I am not afraid to hand prop an airplane=2C but I am
paranoid enough to keep me safe. Hopefully. I had to hand prop a 220hp e
ngine from behind on floats once. I had left the master on. Notice I said
once. I've never left the master on again. Sometimes I think we have to
be scared enough to make an impression. Sometimes some of us don't get sca
red enough. Just my thoughts.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Tue=2C 31 Aug 2010 10:08:45 -0400
Subject: Pietenpol-List: off list topic but an important warning to us all
During my morning reading and scan I came across this article as another t
ragic event unfolded to take the life of a fellow aviator. The article real
ly demonstrates that no matter how experienced we are or well intended=2C t
ragedy can strike immediately and with dire consequences.
John
Weymouth man killed by propeller at Beverly airport
By L. Finch=2C Globe Correspondent
A 30-year-old flight instructor from Weymouth was struck and killed this af
ternoon by an airplane propeller at Beverly Municipal Airport when the man
exited his aircraft to help another pilot=2C officials said.
Michael Costales was waiting to taxi his single-engine aircraft to runway 3
4 when he noticed a plane ahead of him=2C carrying a pilot and a student pi
lot=2C having trouble with its canopy=2C according to the Essex district at
torney=92s office=2C which conducted a preliminary investigation of the inc
ident.
Though details were unclear today about what happened next=2C when he got o
ut to help the other plane=2C Costales was struck by his own propeller=2C t
he district attorney=92s office said.
His death appears to be an accident=2C officials said. The airport was clos
ed for a couple of hours after the incident.
Costales was the head flight instructor for the Beverly Flight Center=2C a
flight school at the airport=2C where he had worked the past decade=2C said
Paul Vitale=2C chairman of the Beverly Airport Commission.
"He was a great guy=2C loved the airport=2C and loved his job=2C" Vitale sa
id. "It=92s just a tragedy."
The FAA=2C the federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration=2C and
the National Transportation Safety Board are investigating.
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? & updated website with Broadhead |
pictures
Hey Don,
Great site! Good luck with the engine purchase. BTW, Brodhead is
spelled with one "a" (not "Broadhead"). Don't ask me why, but as
Stengel used to say "You could look it up!"
Good luck with the build,
Jeff
>All,
>
>Thank you to everyone that took time to offer your thoughts on a
>0290 powered Piet. I value the help and advice of this community
>very much. "Piet people" are the best! If the condition of the 0290
>turns out to be as reported I intend to buy it. I will keep you
>posted.
>
>On another note, I finally got around to updating our project
>website. It now includes a tab for Broadhead with some pics some of
>you might enjoy.
>
><http://www.firstwings.net>www.firstwings.net
>
>Thanks,
>Don
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A |
| From: | "Baldeagle" <baldeagle27(at)earthlink.net> |
The Model A will sometimes make a fluttering sound on final, maybe due to some
of the things mentioned above, airflow driving the prop etc. As long as it idles
well on the ground I don't think it should be a problem, hard to really judge
without hearing it, but that is what I would lean towards.
-
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
| From: | "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> |
Ask Jack Rousch about seat belts (the guy that crashed his jet at Oshkosh this
year) - and not having a shoulder harness on... or at least not tight. If he had,
I think he probably would still have use of his now useless eye socket.
I've been anal about making sure everything is snug in my GN-1 since that day.
Lorin
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Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| Subject: | Re: off list topic but an important warning to us all |
| From: | "JGriff" <jgriffith19(at)comcast.net> |
This happened at my home airport though I didn't know the instructor. Be careful
out there folks.
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| Subject: | Re: off list topic but an important warning to us all |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Well, when you get hit with a propeller, it usually only happens ONCE. You don't
get a chance to learn from that kind of mistake.
You were lucky that you got the opportunity to learn from your mistake.
This was an experienced instructor that this horrible accident happened to.
The point is that NOBODY should ever feel relaxed around a propeller.
Thanks, John for posting this reminder to everyone.
BC
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Looks like the Last Original has at least lap belts for both seats:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/BHP%20Built/P1010023.JPG
Once again, westcoastpiet to the rescue.
Bill C.
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: off list topic but an important warning to us |
all
I agree. I'm not relaxed even when they're not turning.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: off list topic but an important warning to u
s all
> From: billspiet(at)sympatico.ca
> Date: Tue=2C 31 Aug 2010 10:04:21 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
ca>
>
> Well=2C when you get hit with a propeller=2C it usually only happens ONCE
. You don't get a chance to learn from that kind of mistake.
> You were lucky that you got the opportunity to learn from your mistake.
> This was an experienced instructor that this horrible accident happened t
o.
> The point is that NOBODY should ever feel relaxed around a propeller.
>
> Thanks=2C John for posting this reminder to everyone.
>
> BC
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? |
I have a O-290 D2 for another project. I was told it will produce 140
hp . You better check into that further. It seems like a bit much for
a Piet.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Rucker
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 7:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ?
Help!
I have found a local, 0 time since factory remanufacture Lycoming
0290 (125hp) cheap. It is complete. When I say cheap I am talking less
than a Covair project. This seems an excessive amount of horsepower for
a Piet. Best I can determine this model 0290 weighs 240lb dry. That is
not much different than a model =93A=94 from a weigh perspective. Does
anyone know of a successful Piet flying with a 0290? The owner is going
to list it Monday so I must act quickly.
All thoughts welcome.
Thanks,
Don
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you would
like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack(at)textors.com.
Please input as shown in row # 2.
Thanks,
Jack
Jack Textor
29 SW 58th Drive
Des Moines, IA 50312
www.textors.com
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| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
This is just my opinion and I will admit it is probably not a great idea to make
the DAR mad at you BUT according to the FARs you do not need an ELT until you
are done with flight testing. Therefore an ELT is not requires to receive your
airworthiness certificate. It is required (paragraph a) as soon as you transition
out of the test phase and can carry passengers .
Look at 91.207 paragraph f (snipped below)
(f) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to (paragraph 'a 'requires an
ELT)
..(4) Aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to design and testing;
..(5) New aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to their manufacture,
preparation, and delivery;
As for mounting the ELT it is not stated it has to be in the tail, just as far
aft as practical.
(b) Each emergency locator transmitter required by paragraph (a) of this section
must be attached to the airplane in such a manner that the probability of damage
to the transmitter in the event of crash impact is minimized. Fixed and deployable
automatic type transmitters must be attached to the airplane as far
aft as practicable.
Read the complete FAR 91.207 below
Title 14: Aeronautics and Space
PART 91GENERAL OPERATING AND FLIGHT RULES
91.207 Emergency locator transmitters.
(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (e) and (f) of this section, no person may
operate a U.S.-registered civil airplane unless
(1) There is attached to the airplane an approved automatic type emergency locator
transmitter that is in operable condition for the following operations, except
that after June 21, 1995, an emergency locator transmitter that meets the
requirements of TSO-C91 may not be used for new installations:
(i) Those operations governed by the supplemental air carrier and commercial operator
rules of parts 121 and 125;
(ii) Charter flights governed by the domestic and flag air carrier rules of part
121 of this chapter; and
(iii) Operations governed by part 135 of this chapter; or
(2) For operations other than those specified in paragraph (a)(1) of this section,
there must be attached to the airplane an approved personal type or an approved
automatic type emergency locator transmitter that is in operable condition,
except that after June 21, 1995, an emergency locator transmitter that meets
the requirements of TSO-C91 may not be used for new installations.
(b) Each emergency locator transmitter required by paragraph (a) of this section
must be attached to the airplane in such a manner that the probability of damage
to the transmitter in the event of crash impact is minimized. Fixed and deployable
automatic type transmitters must be attached to the airplane as far
aft as practicable.
(c) Batteries used in the emergency locator transmitters required by paragraphs
(a) and (b) of this section must be replaced (or recharged, if the batteries
are rechargeable)
(1) When the transmitter has been in use for more than 1 cumulative hour; or
(2) When 50 percent of their useful life (or, for rechargeable batteries, 50 percent
of their useful life of charge) has expired, as established by the transmitter
manufacturer under its approval.
The new expiration date for replacing (or recharging) the battery must be legibly
marked on the outside of the transmitter and entered in the aircraft maintenance
record. Paragraph (c)(2) of this section does not apply to batteries (such
as water-activated batteries) that are essentially unaffected during probable
storage intervals.
(d) Each emergency locator transmitter required by paragraph (a) of this section
must be inspected within 12 calendar months after the last inspection for
(1) Proper installation;
(2) Battery corrosion;
(3) Operation of the controls and crash sensor; and
(4) The presence of a sufficient signal radiated from its antenna.
(e) Notwithstanding paragraph (a) of this section, a person may
(1) Ferry a newly acquired airplane from the place where possession of it was taken
to a place where the emergency locator transmitter is to be installed; and
(2) Ferry an airplane with an inoperative emergency locator transmitter from a
place where repairs or replacements cannot be made to a place where they can be
made.
No person other than required crewmembers may be carried aboard an airplane being
ferried under paragraph (e) of this section.
(f) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to
(1) Before January 1, 2004, turbojet-powered aircraft;
(2) Aircraft while engaged in scheduled flights by scheduled air carriers;
(3) Aircraft while engaged in training operations conducted entirely within a 50-nautical
mile radius of the airport from which such local flight operations
began;
(4) Aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to design and testing;
(5) New aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to their manufacture,
preparation, and delivery;
(6) Aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to the aerial application
of chemicals and other substances for agricultural purposes;
(7) Aircraft certificated by the Administrator for research and development purposes;
(8) Aircraft while used for showing compliance with regulations, crew training,
exhibition, air racing, or market surveys;
(9) Aircraft equipped to carry not more than one person.
(10) An aircraft during any period for which the transmitter has been temporarily
removed for inspection, repair, modification, or replacement, subject to the
following:
(i) No person may operate the aircraft unless the aircraft records contain an entry
which includes the date of initial removal, the make, model, serial number,
and reason for removing the transmitter, and a placard located in view of the
pilot to show ELT not installed.
(ii) No person may operate the aircraft more than 90 days after the ELT is initially
removed from the aircraft; and
(11) On and after January 1, 2004, aircraft with a maximum payload capacity of
more than 18,000 pounds when used in air transportation.
[Doc. No. 18334, 54 FR 34304, Aug. 18, 1989, as amended by Amdt. 91242, 59 FR 32057,
June 21, 1994; 59 FR 34578, July 6, 1994; Amdt. 91265, 65 FR 81319, Dec.
22, 2000; 66 FR 16316, Mar. 23, 2001]
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=6af747b63993991cd203bb42db7aa215&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.3.10&idno=14#14:2.0.1.3.10.3.7.4
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? |
>>> "GliderMike" 8/31/2010 4:00 PM >>>
>>>Doesn't too much horsepower fall into the same category as too much
runway?
Not necessarily. As others on this list have commented in the past, if
you get a Piet up near 100 MPH it starts letting you know that it does not
particularly like it. If you constantly run your engine lower than it's
comfortable power range (75% power more or less) then you run the risk of
fouling some or all of the plugs. This is normally only a problem if you
are using leaded fuel as it needs the higher temps to vaporize the lead
and send it on out the exhaust. Under run aviation engines are known to
collect lead balls in the lower set of plugs if run in the lower power
settings for too long.
Now, having sounded like an expert in the field let me state that I have
no qualifications in this field whatsoever. (But I did stay in a Motel 8
list night.) Flamers and knowledgeable corrections will be tolerated.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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| From: | JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | new guy needs direction |
I know you have been through this countless times, but who do I purchase the
aircamper plans from? I' am also interested in the plans for the low wing
version as well. The information phase is in full swing and I hope to get
started soon.
Joe Swithin, Morris IL
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| Subject: | FAA and new aircraft registration rules- must read! |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Just read about this on the EAA website...
http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/articles/2010-08_fees.asp
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: new guy needs direction |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Plans can be bought from the Pietenpol family. Their website with ordering
information is located at:
http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/
<http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/>There are no available plans for a
low-wing version. Years ago a Canadian by the name of Casey Irwin supposedly
started with Pietenpol plans and built a low-wing homebuilt based on a Piet,
but I've personally never seen or heard anything of that airplane beyond the
"What our members are building" blurb in Sport Aviation from 1982. It was
deleted from the Candian registry in 2000, so it may be no more. It was
registered as a Pietenpol GN-1, so who knows how much of either it actually
had in it.
If you want a low-wing all wood "classic" homebuilt, you could look into the
Fly Baby:
http://www.bowersflybaby.com/
Although it is only a single seat design. People have come up two seat
variants over the years, but none that have really caught on to eclipse the
original, it would seem.
Ryan
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:48 PM, JOSEPH SWITHIN wrote:
> I know you have been through this countless times, but who do I purchase
> the aircamper plans from? I' am also interested in the plans for the low
> wing version as well. The information phase is in full swing and I hope to
> get started soon.
>
> Joe Swithin, Morris IL
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FAA and new aircraft registration rules- must read! |
Glad Gpa just "sold" me the Piet and tcraft, saved me a bit of money although I
much prefer the 5$ fee..
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 31, 2010, at 7:13 PM, "Billy McCaskill" wrote:
>
> Just read about this on the EAA website...
>
> http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/articles/2010-08_fees.asp
>
> --------
> Billy McCaskill
> Urbana, IL
> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310858#310858
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Split Landing Gear Question |
For the split gear, main V's the plans call for 1 3/8" 14 gauge 1020 steel
tube, I believe that equates to .083 wall thickness. With 4130 should I
increase to .095 or could is be decreased to .065 safely?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
The Keeper of the List.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Split Landing Gear Question |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
I would err on the side of strength and safety and use the .095" wall tubing.
You probably would only add a pound or less to the overall weight. Landing gear
malfunctions are reputed to be highly over-rated, at least according to Axel
Purtee...
[Shocked]
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310865#310865
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: new guy needs direction |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Perhaps we should post a sticky or FAQ thread with the source for the plans? This
question seems to come up a lot lately. Anybody know how to do this?
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310866#310866
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Split Landing Gear Question |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Plus its easier to weld.
rick
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Billy McCaskill wrote:
>
> I would err on the side of strength and safety and use the .095" wall
> tubing. You probably would only add a pound or less to the overall weight.
> Landing gear malfunctions are reputed to be highly over-rated, at least
> according to Axel Purtee...
>
> [Shocked]
>
> --------
> Billy McCaskill
> Urbana, IL
> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310865#310865
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics rejected
them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As time
permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just
answer the questions below and return.
Good luck!
Jack
Volunteer-Keeper of the List
First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet Model,
Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
_____________________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you would
like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack(at)textors.com.
Please input as shown in row # 2.
Thanks,
Jack
<< File: Piet List Template.xls >>
Jack Textor
29 SW 58th Drive
Des Moines, IA 50312
www.textors.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: new guy needs direction |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Joe,
I have a flying example for you to see, close by. I could even fly it over
there. Send me a message off-list if you desire.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:48 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: new guy needs direction
I know you have been through this countless times, but who do I purchase
the aircamper plans from? I' am also interested in the plans for the low
wing version as well. The information phase is in full swing and I hope
to get started soon.
Joe Swithin, Morris IL
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
Hi Jack,
I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was not anything
Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it got changed by matronics.
Kip Gardner
On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote:
> Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics rejected
> them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As time
> permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just
> answer the questions below and return.
> Good luck!
> Jack
> Volunteer-Keeper of the List
>
> First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
> Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet Model,
> Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
>
>
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>
> I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you would
> like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
> attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack(at)textors.com.
> Please input as shown in row # 2.
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
>
> << File: Piet List Template.xls >>
>
>
> Jack Textor
> 29 SW 58th Drive
> Des Moines, IA 50312
> www.textors.com
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
Well though there are exceptions for installing one right away- the check list
I have from the only DAR I know of close enough to do the inspection states ELT
installed with operational check in accordance with FAR 91.207(d) if more than
one place airplane.I realize I could argue the point but for 150 bucks I'll
go along and try to keep it simple.basically I still would like to find out if
it is acceptable to have the antenna inside the tail out of sight. I guess once
it comes in if there isn't specific instructions concerning it I'll start
calling someone.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310876#310876
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | Davis Roger <iyaayas388(at)gmail.com> |
I opened it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine.
RD
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> wrote:
> kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
>
> Hi Jack,
>
> I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was not
> anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it got changed by
> matronics.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
> On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote:
>
> > Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics
> rejected
> > them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As
> time
> > permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just
> > answer the questions below and return.
> > Good luck!
> > Jack
> > Volunteer-Keeper of the List
> >
> > First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
> > Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet
> Model,
> > Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
> >
> >
> >
> > _____________________________________________
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
> >
> > I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you
> would
> > like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
> > attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack(at)textors.com.
> > Please input as shown in row # 2.
> > Thanks,
> > Jack
> >
> >
> > << File: Piet List Template.xls >>
> >
> >
> > Jack Textor
> > 29 SW 58th Drive
> > Des Moines, IA 50312
> > www.textors.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
That be a new one on me & not a listed format in my version of Excel.
Kip G.
On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Davis Roger wrote:
> I opened it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine.
>
> RD
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jack,
>
> I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me
> was not anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it
> got changed by matronics.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
> On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote:
>
> > Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and
> Matronics rejected
> > them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I
> attached. As time
> > permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't
> work just
> > answer the questions below and return.
> > Good luck!
> > Jack
> > Volunteer-Keeper of the List
> >
> > First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
> > Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email,
> Piet Model,
> > Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
> >
> >
> >
> > _____________________________________________
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
> >
> > I just sent out the list to all that shared their information.
> If you would
> > like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of
> the
> > attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email
> jack(at)textors.com.
> > Please input as shown in row # 2.
> > Thanks,
> > Jack
> >
> >
> > << File: Piet List Template.xls >>
> >
> >
> > Jack Textor
> > 29 SW 58th Drive
> > Des Moines, IA 50312
> > www.textors.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ==========
> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> ==========
> http://forums.matronics.com
> ==========
> le, List Admin.
> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> ==========
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | Davis Roger <iyaayas388(at)gmail.com> |
Go to Google.com look at the top left, click on documents. I don't know must
have just got lucky I guess.
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> wrote:
> That be a new one on me & not a listed format in my version of Excel.
>
> Kip G.
>
> On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Davis Roger wrote:
>
> I opened it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine.
>
> RD
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
> kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
>>
>> Hi Jack,
>>
>> I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was
>> not anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it got changed by
>> matronics.
>>
>> Kip Gardner
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote:
>>
>> > Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics
>> rejected
>> > them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As
>> time
>> > permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work
>> just
>> > answer the questions below and return.
>> > Good luck!
>> > Jack
>> > Volunteer-Keeper of the List
>> >
>> > First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
>> > Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet
>> Model,
>> > Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _____________________________________________
>> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
>> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>> >
>> > I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you
>> would
>> > like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
>> > attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack(at)textors.com.
>> > Please input as shown in row # 2.
>> > Thanks,
>> > Jack
>> >
>> >
>> > << File: Piet List Template.xls >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Jack Textor
>> > 29 SW 58th Drive
>> > Des Moines, IA 50312
>> > www.textors.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> ==========
>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> ==========
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>> ==========
>> le, List Admin.
>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> *
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | Davis Roger <iyaayas388(at)gmail.com> |
Sorry, try the top left corner on the gmail page
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Davis Roger wrote:
> Go to Google.com look at the top left, click on documents. I don't know
> must have just got lucky I guess.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
> kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> That be a new one on me & not a listed format in my version of Excel.
>>
>> Kip G.
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Davis Roger wrote:
>>
>> I opened it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine.
>>
>> RD
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
>> kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
>>>
>>> Hi Jack,
>>>
>>> I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was
>>> not anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it got changed by
>>> matronics.
>>>
>>> Kip Gardner
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics
>>> rejected
>>> > them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As
>>> time
>>> > permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work
>>> just
>>> > answer the questions below and return.
>>> > Good luck!
>>> > Jack
>>> > Volunteer-Keeper of the List
>>> >
>>> > First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
>>> > Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet
>>> Model,
>>> > Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _____________________________________________
>>> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
>>> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>>> >
>>> > I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you
>>> would
>>> > like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
>>> > attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack(at)textors.com.
>>> > Please input as shown in row # 2.
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Jack
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > << File: Piet List Template.xls >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Jack Textor
>>> > 29 SW 58th Drive
>>> > Des Moines, IA 50312
>>> > www.textors.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ==========
>>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>> ==========
>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>> ==========
>>> le, List Admin.
>>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> ==========
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> *
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | Davis Roger <iyaayas388(at)gmail.com> |
Here is the link to it, hopefuly it will work
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AhOF3o-5hGWKdHJRbDBmQXl5V0tjRzZweXQ1S2tOQVE&hl=en&authkey=CJ7OlocO
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Davis Roger wrote:
> Sorry, try the top left corner on the gmail page
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Davis Roger wrote:
>
>> Go to Google.com look at the top left, click on documents. I don't know
>> must have just got lucky I guess.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
>> kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> That be a new one on me & not a listed format in my version of Excel.
>>>
>>> Kip G.
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Davis Roger wrote:
>>>
>>> I opened it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine.
>>>
>>> RD
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
>>> kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jack,
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was
>>>> not anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it got changed
by
>>>> matronics.
>>>>
>>>> Kip Gardner
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics
>>>> rejected
>>>> > them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As
>>>> time
>>>> > permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work
>>>> just
>>>> > answer the questions below and return.
>>>> > Good luck!
>>>> > Jack
>>>> > Volunteer-Keeper of the List
>>>> >
>>>> > First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
>>>> > Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet
>>>> Model,
>>>> > Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > _____________________________________________
>>>> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>>> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
>>>> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>>>> >
>>>> > I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you
>>>> would
>>>> > like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
>>>> > attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack(at)textors.com
>>>> .
>>>> > Please input as shown in row # 2.
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> > Jack
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > << File: Piet List Template.xls >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Jack Textor
>>>> > 29 SW 58th Drive
>>>> > Des Moines, IA 50312
>>>> > www.textors.com
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ==========
>>>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>>> ==========
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>> ==========
>>>> le, List Admin.
>>>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>> ==========
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Volckmann <mike_cfi(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
It showed up in my in box as a .xls file that OpenOffice.org opened fine.
=0A-Mike Volckmann =0A=0AThe only thing we ever learn from history is tha
t we never learn from history. =0AGeorge Bernard Shaw =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___
_____________________________=0AFrom: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@eart
hlink.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, August 31, 2010
7:49:42 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory=0A=0AThat be
a new one on me & not a listed format in my version of Excel. =0A=0AKip G.
=0A=0A=0AOn Aug 31, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Davis Roger wrote:=0A=0A-I opened
it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine. =0A>=0A>RD=0A>=0A
>=0A>On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner =0A>>=0A>>Hi Jack,=0A>>=0A>>I do
n't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was not =0A
>>anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). -Maybe it got changed b
y =0A>>matronics.=0A>>=0A>>Kip Gardner=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:
23 PM, Jack wrote:=0A>>=0A>>> Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other
formats and Matronics rejected=0A>>> them. -Do you have Microsoft Excel?
-That is the format I attached. As time=0A>>> permits I will try to form
at in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just=0A>>> answer the questions
below and return.=0A>>> Good luck!=0A>>> Jack=0A>>> Volunteer-Keeper of the
List=0A>>>=0A>>> First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country,
Home Base,=0A>>> Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary
Email, Piet Model,=0A>>> Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project S
tatus, Comments=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> ___________________________________
__________=0A>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A>>> [mai
lto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack=0A>>> Sent
: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM=0A>>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
=0A>>> Subject: -Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory=0A>>>=0A>>> I just s
ent out the list to all that shared their information. -If you would=0A>>
> like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the=0A>
>> attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack(at)textors.com.
=0A>>> Please input as shown in row # 2.=0A>>> Thanks,=0A>>> Jack=0A>>>=0A>
>>=0A>>> << File: Piet List Template.xls >>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> Jack Textor
=0A>>> 29 SW 58th Drive=0A>>> Des Moines, IA 50312=0A>>> www.textors.com=0A
>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=======
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isthref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | "AlRice" <Allen(at)allenrice.net> |
Jack, excellent job. Thanks for all the work that you have done. It will come
in handy when I need to contact other builders in Florida.
--------
Al Rice
Skybolt 260
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310890#310890
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
Have Microsoft Excel 2007.opened fine for me.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Davis Roger
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Go to Google.com look at the top left, click on documents. I don't know must
have just got lucky I guess.
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner
wrote:
That be a new one on me & not a listed format in my version of Excel.
Kip G.
On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Davis Roger wrote:
I opened it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine.
RD
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner
wrote:
Hi Jack,
I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was not
anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it got changed by
matronics.
Kip Gardner
On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote:
> Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics
rejected
> them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As
time
> permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just
> answer the questions below and return.
> Good luck!
> Jack
> Volunteer-Keeper of the List
>
> First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
> Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet
Model,
> Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
>
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>
> I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you
would
> like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
> attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack(at)textors.com.
> Please input as shown in row # 2.
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
>
> << File: Piet List Template.xls >>
>
>
> Jack Textor
> 29 SW 58th Drive
> Des Moines, IA 50312
> www.textors.com
>
>
>
==========
st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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http://forums.matronics.com
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le, List Admin.
="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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bution
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
All,
Sorry for the hassles, apparently Matronics has a problem with Excel files.
Roger yours came through. I will redo in Word and get it sent out ASAP.
Thanks,
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:24 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics rejected
them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As time
permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just
answer the questions below and return.
Good luck!
Jack
Volunteer-Keeper of the List
First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet Model,
Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
_____________________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you would
like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack(at)textors.com.
Please input as shown in row # 2.
Thanks,
Jack
<< File: Piet List Template.xls >>
Jack Textor
29 SW 58th Drive
Des Moines, IA 50312
www.textors.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Ok let's try again. If you would like to be included in the next update
please fill out the attached Word file and return to my home email
jack(at)textors.com. So far we have 60 signed up.
Thanks,
Jack
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
Nope, same problem, comes through as an unreadable winmail.dat file.
Kip Gardner
On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:40 AM, Jack wrote:
> Ok let's try again. If you would like to be included in the next update
> please fill out the attached Word file and return to my home email
> jack(at)textors.com. So far we have 60 signed up.
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
Jack,
You may have trouble with any Microsoft Ofifce file. The other list I belong to
(local beekeepers) is run by a member who has an IT business & runs it on his
Co. server. His list program strips out or permanently alters all Microsoft
files to prevent the spread of document-embedded viruses.
Kip Gardner
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:24 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>
> Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics rejected
> them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As time
> permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just
> answer the questions below and return.
> Good luck!
> Jack
> Volunteer-Keeper of the List
>
> First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
> Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet Model,
> Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
>
>
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>
> I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you would
> like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
> attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack(at)textors.com.
> Please input as shown in row # 2.
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
>
> << File: Piet List Template.xls >>
>
>
> Jack Textor
> 29 SW 58th Drive
> Des Moines, IA 50312
> www.textors.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Jack,
If you'd like, email me the file and I can put it up on Dropbox and
provide a public link to it. Anyone with an Internet connection and a
web browser will be able to retrieve it.
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner
wrote:
>
> Jack,
>
> You may have trouble with any Microsoft Ofifce file. The other list I belong
to (local beekeepers) is run by a member who has an IT business & runs it on
his Co. server. His list program strips out or permanently alters all Microsoft
files to prevent the spread of document-embedded viruses.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
>> Thanks,
>> Jack
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:24 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>>
>> Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics rejected
>> them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As time
>> permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just
>> answer the questions below and return.
>> Good luck!
>> Jack
>> Volunteer-Keeper of the List
>>
>> First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
>> Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet Model,
>> Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
>>
>>
>>
>> _____________________________________________
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>>
>> I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you would
>> like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
>> attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack(at)textors.com.
>> Please input as shown in row # 2.
>> Thanks,
>> Jack
>>
>>
>> << File: Piet List Template.xls >>
>>
>>
>> Jack Textor
>> 29 SW 58th Drive
>> Des Moines, IA 50312
>> www.textors.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Volckmann <mike_cfi(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
Jack,=0A=0AIt arrived here as a .doc file and opened fin with OpenOffice.or
g.- I suspect =0Athat the problem is peoples mail client.- I am-usein
g Yahoo-Web-Mail. =0A=0A-Mike Volckmann =0A=0AThe only thing we ever
learn from history is that we never learn from history. =0AGeorge Bernard S
haw =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Kip and Beth
Gardner =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASe
nt: Wed, September 1, 2010 4:29:30 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet D
=0A=0A=0ANope, same problem, comes through as an
unreadable winmail.dat file.=0A=0AKip Gardner=0A=0AOn Sep 1, 2010, at 6:40
AM, Jack wrote:=0A=0A> Ok let's try again.- If you would like to be inclu
ded in the next update=0A> please fill out the attached Word file and retur
n to my home email=0A> jack(at)textors.com.- So far we have 60 signed up.=0A
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L
=======
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| From: | Thomas Bernie <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net> |
I put mine on a bracket behind the pilot seat (not in accordance with the instructions)
and it was acceptable to the DAR -- he said only a/c he has refused were
due to lack of ELT's.
Tom Bernie
On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:54 PM, skellytown flyer wrote:
>
> Well though there are exceptions for installing one right away- the check list
I have from the only DAR I know of close enough to do the inspection states
ELT installed with operational check in accordance with FAR 91.207(d) if more
than one place airplane.I realize I could argue the point but for 150 bucks I'll
go along and try to keep it simple.basically I still would like to find out
if it is acceptable to have the antenna inside the tail out of sight. I guess
once it comes in if there isn't specific instructions concerning it I'll start
calling someone.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310876#310876
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Split Landing Gear Question |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi Jack - I upgraded to the heavier gauge. The attach points failed on my left
V, not the tubing. The tubing didn't even seem to be aware there was a problem.
I'm not known to build light (thus the nickname Fat Bottomed Girl for the
plane), but that's one area you might be forgiven for going sturdier.
Axel
--------
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310935#310935
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Raymond - I'm REALLY not qualified to offer an opinion but that's not going to
stop me: I believe you can put the antenna in a convenient place in the tail with
a light piece of metal for a ground plane. I also believe the antenna can
be internal if you want it to be.
Hopefully knowledgeable people will correct me as needed.
--------
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310937#310937
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | The next future piet'er is here |
Hello, I am a proud father of 2 boys now.- My wife delivered Joseph -on
monday night.- He is a healthy boy, and believe it or not she litterally
laughed him out!!!- I guess my goofy sense of humor is useful some times
.- With me, her and both sets of grand parents in the room(before the lat
er stages of labor) you would have thought it was a party in our room, laug
hter, jokes and stories had us and the staff at the hostpitile laughing for
hours.-
-
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Congratulations Shad!
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:27 AM, shad bell wrote:
> Hello, I am a proud father of 2 boys now. My wife delivered Joseph on
> monday night. He is a healthy boy, and believe it or not she litterally
> laughed him out!!! I guess my goofy sense of humor is useful some times.
> With me, her and both sets of grand parents in the room(before the later
> stages of labor) you would have thought it was a party in our room,
> laughter, jokes and stories had us and the staff at the hostpitile laughing
> for hours.
>
>
> Shad
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Piet fuse question |
Group,
I getting ready to build the long fuselage. I can't remember who said
it, but last year at Brodhead 09' a pilot mentioned that if he were to
build his Piet all over again he would build the long fuse from the
firewall to the pilots seat, and the short fuse from the rear of the
pilots seat to the tail. Has anyone built their fuse in this manner?
Input??
Brian Jardine
L-3 Communications
Operations Project Engineer
640 North 2200 West
P.O.Box 16850
Salt Lake City, UT 84116
L <> <>
801-594-3482
801-882-0213 BB
brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | The next future piet'er is here |
Congrats Shad....baby is out, Shad is free to attend
fly-ins.....correct???
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad
bell
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The next future piet'er is here
Hello, I am a proud father of 2 boys now. My wife delivered Joseph on
monday night. He is a healthy boy, and believe it or not she litterally
laughed him out!!! I guess my goofy sense of humor is useful some
times. With me, her and both sets of grand parents in the room(before
the later stages of labor) you would have thought it was a party in our
room, laughter, jokes and stories had us and the staff at the hostpitile
laughing for hours.
Shad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
Congratulations Shad!
On Sep 1, 2010, at 11:27 AM, shad bell wrote:
> Hello, I am a proud father of 2 boys now. My wife delivered Joseph
on monday night. He is a healthy boy, and believe it or not she
litterally laughed him out!!! I guess my goofy sense of humor is useful
some times. With me, her and both sets of grand parents in the
room(before the later stages of labor) you would have thought it was a
party in our room, laughter, jokes and stories had us and the staff at
the hostpitile laughing for hours.
>
>
> Shad
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
Shad congratulations on the new boy; great you have two new Piet pilots/bui
lders coming up.
Jim B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2010 8:27:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The next future piet'er is here
Hello, I am a proud father of 2 boys now.=C2- My wife delivered Joseph
=C2-on monday night.=C2- He is a healthy boy, and believe it or not she
litterally laughed him out!!!=C2- I guess my goofy sense of humor is use
ful some times.=C2- With me, her and both sets of grand parents in the ro
om(before the later stages of labor) you would have thought it was a party
in our room, laughter, jokes and stories had us and the staff at the hostpi
tile laughing for hours.=C2-
Shad
==
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet fuse question |
Yes, I believe our fantastic archivist Chris Tracy is building his Piet thi
s way and if I had to do it again I would also.
Jim B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "brian e jardine" <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2010 8:48:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet fuse question
Group,
I getting ready to build the long fuselage.=C2- I can =99 t remembe
r who said it , but last year at Brodhead 09 =99 a pilot mentioned th
at if he were to build his Piet all over again he would build the long fuse
from the firewall to the pilots seat, and the short fuse from the rear of
the pilots seat to the tail.=C2- Has anyone built their fuse in this mann
er ? =C2- Input??
Bria n Jardine
L-3 Communications
Operations Project Engineer
640 North 2200 West
P.O.Box 16850
Salt Lake City, UT=C2- 84116
L Picture (Device Independent Bitmap)=C2-=C2-=C2- Picture (Device Ind
ependent Bitmap)=C2-
801-594-3482
801-882-0213 BB
brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Congratulations!!
Sure is an exciting time!
Don Emch
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310959#310959
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Piet fuse question |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Sounds like a good hybrid design. Gives you 2 extra inches of front cockpit
(and front fuel tank space) and 2 extra inches of rear cockpit room and
therefore minimal aft CG movement. However it makes you wonder why Bernard
added the extra several inches to the tail of the long fuse design, possibl
y
to provide more elevator/rudder authority for an Piet with a lighter
non-Model-A engine sticking way out forward of the firewall?
rick
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:48 AM, <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote:
> Group,
>
> I getting ready to build the long fuselage. I can=92t remember who said
it,but last year at Brodhead09
> =92 a pilot mentioned that if he were to build his Piet all over again he
> would build the long fuse from the firewall to the pilots seat, and the
> short fuse from the rear of the pilots seat to the tail. Has anyone buil
t
> their fuse in this manner? Input??
>
> *******Brian Jardine*
> *******L-3 Communications******
> ********Operations Project Engineer*
> 640 North 2200 West
> P.O.Box 16850
> Salt Lake City, UT 84116
>
> L [image: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap)] [image: Picture (Device
> Independent Bitmap)]
>
> 801-594-3482
>
> 801-882-0213 BB
>
> *****brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com*
>
> ******
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Piet fuse question |
| From: | "JGriff" <jgriffith19(at)comcast.net> |
I'd be very curious to hear more about doing this as well. Those of you that are
building this way can you tell us why? How does it affect the flying quality?
Thanks.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310964#310964
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
Congratulations! That fun, goofy labor/delivery thing is the only way to go. We
had our delivery staff doing a type of "baby delivery" line dance thing when
we had our first. makes the hospital stay/delivery even more memorable.
I attached my two young aviators as well.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | The next future piet'er is here |
Congratulations, Shad! Hoepfully one or both of them will grow up loving
aviation. I've had one daughter, three stepsons and one step daughter and
my curse has been that NONE of them care anything about flying. I'm working
on the grandkids now, and making some headway.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The next future piet'er is here
Hello, I am a proud father of 2 boys now. My wife delivered Joseph on
monday night. He is a healthy boy, and believe it or not she litterally
laughed him out!!! I guess my goofy sense of humor is useful some times.
With me, her and both sets of grand parents in the room(before the later
stages of labor) you would have thought it was a party in our room,
laughter, jokes and stories had us and the staff at the hostpitile laughing
for hours.
Shad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
Very cool! But all you guys have a ways to go to catch up with me and my 5 sons....only
one of whom might be a future aviator. :-(
And hey, these pics could be resized to 640x480 and the difference in size would
not be noticable (when viewing on a computer screen)....except there would be
no slooooooooow download time.....please......
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: Sep 1, 2010 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The next future piet'er is here
Congratulations! That fun, goofy labor/delivery thing is the only way to go. We
had our delivery staff doing a type of "baby delivery" line dance thing when
we had our first. makes the hospital stay/delivery even more memorable.
I attached my two young aviators as well.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Shad,
Congratulatuions!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
do no archive
-----Original Message-----
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:27 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The next future piet'er is here
Hello, I am a proud father of 2 boys now. My wife delivered Joseph on mo
nday night. He is a healthy boy, and believe it or not she litterally lau
ghed him out!!! I guess my goofy sense of humor is useful some times. Wi
th me, her and both sets of grand parents in the room(before the later sta
ges of labor) you would have thought it was a party in our room, laughter,
jokes and stories had us and the staff at the hostpitile laughing for hou
rs.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
| From: | "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net> |
Congrats on the new addition! :D
--------
Dan Plett
N28WH
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310984#310984
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net> |
I downloaded 'winmail opener' to view the date file. Once it opened I saved it
as and xls file.
http://download.cnet.com/Winmail-Opener/3000-2369_4-10469892.html
--------
Dan Plett
N28WH
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310986#310986
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
Jack,
If I recall correctly you can create a google document that other people can edit
online w/o the rigamarole of sending out an excel file - just create the document,
and post the URL.
I'm on vacation ATM, so I can't help with specific details...
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Lee Bottom Fly-In |
Who is planning on going to lee bottom?- I was planning on flying down fr
iday mid-day, and returning sat 3pm or so.- If anyone was flying down fro
m ohio, I was going to see if they want to fly down togeather.- Mike C.,
When were you planning on going down?- We could leave from here or I can
meet up with you at your 1st fuel stop if you want a wingman.- Same for D
on, Frank or anyone else who wants to fly down.- By the way, does anyone
on here know about a red and cream collered piet in south western ohio (urb
ana area).- I have a friend at work who is based at Urbana and has seen a
piet in there 2-3 times in the past month or so.- I am not aware of anot
her piet down there.- Might be out of New Carlisle Ohio out of Barnhart M
emorial?
-
Shad
-
p.s.- Joseph Isaac Bell- "Little Joe", is laying here in the crib besid
e me, dreaming of flying the piet some day. I swear he would almost fit in
the hat box.=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts |
John, Did you ever print any of the shirts with this really cool logo on th
em?- I missed Brodhead this year, so I was out of the In person, loop.
-
Shad
--- On Sat, 7/3/10, John Hofmann wrote:
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Coming Soon!
Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 9:48 AM
I should have shirts available online in the next few days. I will be addin
g this and a couple other ideas. I will probably also update some of last y
ear's stuff as well. Sorry for the shameless plug.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email:-jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lee Bottom Fly-In |
Shad, there is a red and cream Piet at new Carlisle, has an O-200 with light
s and everything, I forget the gentlemens name though, I'll privy see him ne
xt time I'm out there, I'll try and find out.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 1, 2010, at 8:08 PM, shad bell wrote:
> Who is planning on going to lee bottom? I was planning on flying down fri
day mid-day, and returning sat 3pm or so. If anyone was flying down from oh
io, I was going to see if they want to fly down togeather. Mike C., When we
re you planning on going down? We could leave from here or I can meet up wi
th you at your 1st fuel stop if you want a wingman. Same for Don, Frank or a
nyone else who wants to fly down. By the way, does anyone on here know abou
t a red and cream collered piet in south western ohio (urbana area). I have
a friend at work who is based at Urbana and has seen a piet in there 2-3 ti
mes in the past month or so. I am not aware of another piet down there. Mi
ght be out of New Carlisle Ohio out of Barnhart Memorial?
>
> Shad
>
> p.s. Joseph Isaac Bell "Little Joe", is laying here in the crib beside m
e, dreaming of flying the piet some day. I swear he would almost fit in the h
at box.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
I'd love to have a shirt with this design on it also!
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311022#311022
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| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Congrats Shad, that is awesome news!
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311023#311023
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| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
Fantastic news, Shad. Congrats!
I needed an excuse to smoke a cigar this week, and now I've got one.
:-)
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Sep 1, 2010, at 11:27 AM, shad bell wrote:
> Hello, I am a proud father of 2 boys now. My wife delivered Joseph on mo
nday night. He is a healthy boy, and believe it or not she litterally laugh
ed him out!!! I guess my goofy sense of humor is useful some times. With m
e, her and both sets of grand parents in the room(before the later stages of
labor) you would have thought it was a party in our room, laughter, jokes a
nd stories had us and the staff at the hostpitile laughing for hours.
>
>
> Shad
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts |
| From: | "AlRice" <Allen(at)allenrice.net> |
Put me down for 2 shirts too! The artwork is great.
--------
Al Rice
Skybolt 260
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311035#311035
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| From: | "Dave Sornborger" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Stits vs. Ceconite |
I am wondering about the pros and cons of Stits or Ceconite.It looks
like Stits is lighter and not nearly as toxic to work with.Do they have
the same lifespans?The last planes I covered were with linen,buterate
and nitrate.Also has anyone made the cabane struts with 3/4 tubing
encased with wood in a streamline fashion?
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Stits vs. Ceconite |
| From: | "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net> |
Regarding the cabane struts, my project has the 3/4 tubing encased in cedar fairings
for streamlining. I think it gives a more nostalgic look.
--------
Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311047#311047
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00055_150.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Stits vs. Ceconite |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
What Stitts process are you referring to? I can tell you the regular Stitts that
uses MEK as an ingredient and solvent is wicked to work around. I think they
may have bought out a water based product now and offering it under their brand.
I sure would go water based if I ever do anything else with fabric. Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311048#311048
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Flying on Labor Day? |
Wonder if anyone will be flying their Pietenpols on Labor Day? Every year at Labor
Day for the last several years I've wished I could go fly to honor Mr. Pietenpol's
tradition of always flying on Labor Day. And I WILL some day! If I'm
not mistaken (wouldn't be the first time) his "tradition" is mentioned in a
video ("Finding Flight" maybe?) interview with Don Pietenpol. (I copied that
video on my iPod and it's just about the perfect length for a Tulsa-DFW flight....)
Anyway, I think that's pretty neat that he made it a point to fly on a particular
day, kind of a tradition.
And every time I watch the video I think about how it would honor the man to carry
on the tradition.
So flying my Air Camper on Labor Day is on my list.
If any of you get to fly on Monday, please let "the rest of us" know...whether
you do it for "tradition" or whatever (like you need a reason!) I'll personally
be thinking about the creator of this wonderful airplane when I read your note!
jm
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Stits vs. Ceconite |
My cabanes are made of 1 inch steel straps encased in douglas fir,
then streamlined. Steel tubing bushings are welded in each end where
the bolts go through. If you want a non-toxic covering system check out
the Stewart system. Their glue is a pleasure to work with and all their
coatings are water-based. I used their glue, but latex paint.
Ben Charvet
On 9/2/2010 7:05 AM, Dave Sornborger wrote:
> I am wondering about the pros and cons of Stits or Ceconite.It looks
> like Stits is lighter and not nearly as toxic to work with.Do they
> have the same lifespans?The last planes I covered were with
> linen,buterate and nitrate.Also has anyone made the cabane struts with
> 3/4 tubing encased with wood in a streamline fashion?
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Raymond: as I've mentioned before, Corky installed
a piece of aluminum sheet about 18 or 20" square
on the lower longerons behind the pilot's seat in
41CC and mounted a VHF COMM antenna to it for use
with a handheld.
I moved the ELT back to this area and mounted it to
the plate as well, then mounted the ELT antenna
to it. The antenna is vertical, concealed
inside the aft fuselage along with the COMM antenna. I
found that the ELT instructions said that an
approved, compatible antenna must be used so I
bought one that was listed and it turns out to
be one of the cheapest, simplest ones anyway...
the thin black whippy one.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
Can anyone tell me how to find a place to buy a copy of Finding Flight?
The original site PietenpolMovie.com seems to have shut down.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Flying on Labor Day? |
I'm planning to fly mine Labor Day, although I never heard of this
tradition. I do always try to fly it on my birthday every year.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying on Labor Day?
Wonder if anyone will be flying their Pietenpols on Labor Day? Every year
at Labor Day for the last several years I've wished I could go fly to honor
Mr. Pietenpol's tradition of always flying on Labor Day. And I WILL some
day! If I'm not mistaken (wouldn't be the first time) his "tradition" is
mentioned in a video ("Finding Flight" maybe?) interview with Don Pietenpol.
(I copied that video on my iPod and it's just about the perfect length for a
Tulsa-DFW flight....)
Anyway, I think that's pretty neat that he made it a point to fly on a
particular day, kind of a tradition.
And every time I watch the video I think about how it would honor the man to
carry on the tradition.
So flying my Air Camper on Labor Day is on my list.
If any of you get to fly on Monday, please let "the rest of us"
know...whether you do it for "tradition" or whatever (like you need a
reason!) I'll personally be thinking about the creator of this wonderful
airplane when I read your note!
jm
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Flying on Labor Day? |
What Don says in the video is: "My dad had a tradition of that, always flying on
labor day. For 52 years, always flying on Labor Day..."
I also had never heard of such a thing until I happened to hear it in the video.
It struck me as something pretty special....
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Sep 2, 2010 9:05 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying on Labor Day?
>
>
>I'm planning to fly mine Labor Day, although I never heard of this
>tradition. I do always try to fly it on my birthday every year.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Raleigh, NC
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
>Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:33 AM
>To: Pietenpol List
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying on Labor Day?
>
>
>Wonder if anyone will be flying their Pietenpols on Labor Day? Every year
>at Labor Day for the last several years I've wished I could go fly to honor
>Mr. Pietenpol's tradition of always flying on Labor Day. And I WILL some
>day! If I'm not mistaken (wouldn't be the first time) his "tradition" is
>mentioned in a video ("Finding Flight" maybe?) interview with Don Pietenpol.
>(I copied that video on my iPod and it's just about the perfect length for a
>Tulsa-DFW flight....)
>
>Anyway, I think that's pretty neat that he made it a point to fly on a
>particular day, kind of a tradition.
>
>And every time I watch the video I think about how it would honor the man to
>carry on the tradition.
>
>So flying my Air Camper on Labor Day is on my list.
>
>If any of you get to fly on Monday, please let "the rest of us"
>know...whether you do it for "tradition" or whatever (like you need a
>reason!) I'll personally be thinking about the creator of this wonderful
>airplane when I read your note!
>
>jm
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Finding Flight |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Tom,
It is still listed for sale on the EAA gift shop website:
http://www.shopeaa.com/findingflightthebhpietenpollegacy.aspx
Supposedly they also have a "The Pietenpol Story" book and Finding Flight
DVD combo available:
http://www.shopeaa.com/pietenpolstoryandfindingflightdvdcombo.aspx
If they are actually still in stock, I probably wouldn't wait too long to
get one. It's a small documentary on a niche topic made by a couple of young
independent filmmakers. I would imagine the FF website is gone because
they've moved on to new projects and don't have the time or incentive to
keep it going, and I would personally not be surprised if that's what has
happened or will soon happen with the DVD. I sent them an email, I'll let
you know what I hear.
Have a good day!
Ryan
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:05 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
> *Can anyone tell me how to find a place to buy a copy of Finding Flight?
> The original site PietenpolMovie.com seems to have shut down.*
> **
> *Tom Stinemetze*
> *N328X*
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Finding Flight |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
I should have held my tongue... :P
They are having tech difficulties with the site and domain. The DVDs are
still available from Jen and Jesse. I will forward contact info shortly....
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> It is still listed for sale on the EAA gift shop website:
>
> http://www.shopeaa.com/findingflightthebhpietenpollegacy.aspx
>
> Supposedly they also have a "The Pietenpol Story" book and Finding Flight
> DVD combo available:
>
> http://www.shopeaa.com/pietenpolstoryandfindingflightdvdcombo.aspx
>
> If they are actually still in stock, I probably wouldn't wait too long to
> get one. It's a small documentary on a niche topic made by a couple of young
> independent filmmakers. I would imagine the FF website is gone because
> they've moved on to new projects and don't have the time or incentive to
> keep it going, and I would personally not be surprised if that's what has
> happened or will soon happen with the DVD. I sent them an email, I'll let
> you know what I hear.
>
> Have a good day!
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:05 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
>
>> *Can anyone tell me how to find a place to buy a copy of Finding
>> Flight? The original site PietenpolMovie.com seems to have shut down.*
>> **
>> *Tom Stinemetze*
>> *N328X*
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Finding Flight |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
If you would like to purchase copies of the Finding Flight DVD they are
still available from the producers of the documentary. Please contact Jesse
Roesler at:
jesse(at)deliciousfilmworks.com
...and let him know how many copies you would like. They prefer Paypal for
payment method. Hope that helps,
Ryan
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> I should have held my tongue... :P
>
> They are having tech difficulties with the site and domain. The DVDs are
> still available from Jen and Jesse. I will forward contact info shortly....
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> It is still listed for sale on the EAA gift shop website:
>>
>> http://www.shopeaa.com/findingflightthebhpietenpollegacy.aspx
>>
>> Supposedly they also have a "The Pietenpol Story" book and Finding Flight
>> DVD combo available:
>>
>> http://www.shopeaa.com/pietenpolstoryandfindingflightdvdcombo.aspx
>>
>> If they are actually still in stock, I probably wouldn't wait too long to
>> get one. It's a small documentary on a niche topic made by a couple of young
>> independent filmmakers. I would imagine the FF website is gone because
>> they've moved on to new projects and don't have the time or incentive to
>> keep it going, and I would personally not be surprised if that's what has
>> happened or will soon happen with the DVD. I sent them an email, I'll let
>> you know what I hear.
>>
>> Have a good day!
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:05 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
>>
>>> *Can anyone tell me how to find a place to buy a copy of Finding
>>> Flight? The original site PietenpolMovie.com seems to have shut down.*
>>> **
>>> *Tom Stinemetze*
>>> *N328X*
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
Oscar,
Does your Comm antenna mount on the same Al. backplane?
I intend to handle the ELT exactly as you and Corky have.
For the Comm antenna I am thinking of installing a longer bent-dipole either a)
in a wing or b) inside the fuze behind the seat, and along the centerline of
the fuze, away from all cables and bellcranks. My intention is to get a large
but light antenna for Comm, but have it inside the fuze.
Is this better or worse for transceiving than a very small vertical or slanted
pole with backplane? Your thoughts on this? Anyone? (The radio will be handheld
type, mounted to a ball mount.)
Tim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Sep 2, 2010 7:41 AM
>To: Pietenpol List
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: antenna
>
>
>Raymond: as I've mentioned before, Corky installed
>a piece of aluminum sheet about 18 or 20" square
>on the lower longerons behind the pilot's seat in
>41CC and mounted a VHF COMM antenna to it for use
>with a handheld.
>I moved the ELT back to this area and mounted it to
>the plate as well, then mounted the ELT antenna
>to it. The antenna is vertical, concealed
>inside the aft fuselage along with the COMM antenna. I
>found that the ELT instructions said that an
>approved, compatible antenna must be used so I
>bought one that was listed and it turns out to
>be one of the cheapest, simplest ones anyway...
>the thin black whippy one.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts |
Hi Shad,
First, congrats on the new addition. I have been a little slow with work
and my mother in the hospital. Seeing this email may spur me to get this
done over the weekend.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:14 PM, shad bell wrote:
>
> John, Did you ever print any of the shirts with this really cool logo
on them? I missed Brodhead this year, so I was out of the In person,
loop.
>
> Shad
> --- On Sat, 7/3/10, John Hofmann wrote:
>
> From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Coming Soon!
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 9:48 AM
>
> I should have shirts available online in the next few days. I will be
adding this and a couple other ideas. I will probably also update some
of last year's stuff as well. Sorry for the shameless plug.
>
> -john-
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2424 American Lane
> Madison, WI 53704
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine |
| From: | Ken Chambers <ken.riffic(at)gmail.com> |
Larry
I don't have your email address but I'm interested in your corvair engine.
Can you email me back at ken.riffic(at)gmail.com?
Thanks.
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Lawrence Williams wrote:
> Gents- As embarrassing as it is to admit.....I have a Corvair engine in my
> hangar. To retain my "Pietenpol Elitist" persona, I am coming out of the
> closet and at the same time ridding myself of this disgraceful temptation.
>
> I got it several years ago in a weak moment and had the heads and crank
> redone. It's been plastic wrapped and boxed up since about 2004 so I don't
> recall all the details. What I do have written on the box is:
> Block-GM 3819615
> Heads-3878569
> Crank-GMT 22B 8409
>
> I also have William Wynn's conversion manual and all the parts that came
> with the engine when I pulled it. It is all there, apart, cleaned and
> stored.
>
> I was approached by a Corvair car guy this week trying to scrounge the
> engine so he could resell it but I thought I'd poll the listers first to see
> if it might be needed by one of you who might be yearning for a "Snapper".
> So.....anyone out there need a Corvair? What's your bid?
>
> I'm in the middle of Arkansas (1AR9). If you are interested please contact
> me off-list so we don't clutter up the site.
>
> Larry Williams xcg, xcmr, epp, taco, bpa, atp, lds, eaa, ama, ushpa
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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512-796-1798
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| From: | Andrew M Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com> |
That is what I am doing. Except my antenna will be hanging from a ground
plane fastened to the top longerons.
Andrew
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Tim Willis wrote:
> timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
>
> Oscar,
>
> Does your Comm antenna mount on the same Al. backplane?
>
> I intend to handle the ELT exactly as you and Corky have.
>
> For the Comm antenna I am thinking of installing a longer bent-dipole
> either a) in a wing or b) inside the fuze behind the seat, and along the
> centerline of the fuze, away from all cables and bellcranks. My intention
> is to get a large but light antenna for Comm, but have it inside the fuze.
>
> Is this better or worse for transceiving than a very small vertical or
> slanted pole with backplane? Your thoughts on this? Anyone? (The radio
> will be handheld type, mounted to a ball mount.)
>
> Tim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
> >Sent: Sep 2, 2010 7:41 AM
> >To: Pietenpol List
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: antenna
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Raymond: as I've mentioned before, Corky installed
> >a piece of aluminum sheet about 18 or 20" square
> >on the lower longerons behind the pilot's seat in
> >41CC and mounted a VHF COMM antenna to it for use
> >with a handheld.
> >I moved the ELT back to this area and mounted it to
> >the plate as well, then mounted the ELT antenna
> >to it. The antenna is vertical, concealed
> >inside the aft fuselage along with the COMM antenna. I
> >found that the ELT instructions said that an
> >approved, compatible antenna must be used so I
> >bought one that was listed and it turns out to
> >be one of the cheapest, simplest ones anyway...
> >the thin black whippy one.
> >
> >Oscar Zuniga
> >Air Camper NX41CC
> >San Antonio, TX
> >mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Andrew Eldredge
Sahuarita, AZ
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Stits vs. Ceconite |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi Dave - I messed with Ceconite a tiny bit on another project and used Stitts
to good effect on Fat Girl. The solvents in both systems require respectful handling.
That really only involves a half-faced, air-purifying respirator from
home depot/lowes with standard organic vapor filters. You also want to wear
latex gloves. You really just want to keep it off of you with common-sense chemical
handling techniques.
I can't comment on the Stewart system because I know nothing about it.
Adrian - pretty struts!
Axel
--------
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311090#311090
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts |
Hi John,
Put me down for two shirts too when you can get them done.
thanks,
Jim B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hofmann" <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2010 8:35:40 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol airlines shirts
Hi Shad,
First, congrats on the new addition. I have been a little slow with work an
d my mother in the hospital. Seeing this email may spur me to get this done
over the weekend.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email:=C2- jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:14 PM, shad bell wrote:
John, Did you ever print any of the shirts with this really cool logo on th
em?=C2- I missed Brodhead this year, so I was out of the In person, loop.
Shad
--- On Sat, 7/3/10, John Hofmann < jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com > wrote:
From: John Hofmann < jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com >
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Coming Soon!
Date: Saturday, July 3, 2010, 9:48 AM
I should have shirts available online in the next few days. I will be addin
g this and a couple other ideas. I will probably also update some of last y
ear's stuff as well. Sorry for the shameless plug.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email:=C2- jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
==
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Flying on Labor Day? |
| From: | "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu> |
Gents, Ladies?
I guess I'll join the old? or new! tradition to fly the Piet on Labor Day. Good
to read some of the postings! I'm new, but 'me gusta volar el Pietenpol' (that's
the only Spanish I was able to teach to my great instructor who taught me
how to fly the Piet; "I like to Fly the Piet.")
So SERIOUSLY to the knowledge of this group, have ANY one, in the HISTORY of the
Pietenpol been checked out ie have done their checkride on the Piet to get their
ticket?
I guess Piet himself probably just taught himself how to fly, but any one else?
on a 'formal' flight?
Hope you can share what you know about it or what's your guesses.
We are based in TDZ (Toledo, OH) and we are about a gang of 5 flying the Piet and
for some of us it's the only plane we've ever flown.
I'd love to fly to Foggy Bottom, I just flew to 40I (Red Stewart 215 miles if you
can fly in a straight line) the old fashion way (few hours in my belt flying
it alone, no radios, no GPS, just a sectional) what a blast!
hope to read some more,
Peter Bichier
A blosoming Pietenpol pilot
--------
560 Dreamer
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311096#311096
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Stits vs. Ceconite |
Are latex gloves good enough for those solvents? I generally use
nitrile gloves in the lab and even speciality gloves when needs be.
Not dinging anyone, just genuinely curious.
Jeff
>
>Hi Dave - I messed with Ceconite a tiny bit on another project and
>used Stitts to good effect on Fat Girl. The solvents in both
>systems require respectful handling. That really only involves a
>half-faced, air-purifying respirator from home depot/lowes with
>standard organic vapor filters. You also want to wear latex gloves.
>You really just want to keep it off of you with common-sense
>chemical handling techniques.
>
>I can't comment on the Stewart system because I know nothing about it.
>
>Adrian - pretty struts!
>
>Axel
>
>--------
>Kevin Purtee
>NX899KP
>Austin/Georgetown, TX
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Stits vs. Ceconite |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
If you want to avoid the toxic chemicals try the Stewart system stuff. The 6
big piet guys in Georgia, myself and other Piet builders have had good luck
with it. I especially like the EcoBond as opposed to PolyTac.
rick
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:59 AM, kevinpurtee wrote:
> kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
>
> Hi Dave - I messed with Ceconite a tiny bit on another project and used
> Stitts to good effect on Fat Girl. The solvents in both systems require
> respectful handling. That really only involves a half-faced, air-purifying
> respirator from home depot/lowes with standard organic vapor filters. You
> also want to wear latex gloves. You really just want to keep it off of you
> with common-sense chemical handling techniques.
>
> I can't comment on the Stewart system because I know nothing about it.
>
> Adrian - pretty struts!
>
> Axel
>
> --------
> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311090#311090
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Stits vs. Ceconite |
Latex gloves and nitrile gloves offer minimal protection against
absorption of organic solvents such as MEK. Also canister type respirators
with the charcoal filters are not effective. The charcoal media becomes
saturated with solvent vapors quite quickly and then has no further
protection. The best protection against vapor inhalation is an external air
supply and a full face mask.
Rick Schreiber
> [Original Message]
> From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
> To:
> Date: 9/2/2010 12:40:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stits vs. Ceconite
>
>
> Are latex gloves good enough for those solvents? I generally use
> nitrile gloves in the lab and even speciality gloves when needs be.
> Not dinging anyone, just genuinely curious.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> >
> >Hi Dave - I messed with Ceconite a tiny bit on another project and
> >used Stitts to good effect on Fat Girl. The solvents in both
> >systems require respectful handling. That really only involves a
> >half-faced, air-purifying respirator from home depot/lowes with
> >standard organic vapor filters. You also want to wear latex gloves.
> >You really just want to keep it off of you with common-sense
> >chemical handling techniques.
> >
> >I can't comment on the Stewart system because I know nothing about it.
> >
> >Adrian - pretty struts!
> >
> >Axel
> >
> >--------
> >Kevin Purtee
> >NX899KP
> >Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
> --
> ---
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
> Editor-in-Chief
> Molecular Vision
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: CG for heavy pilots |
Just to be clear, one should create a fuse using the 163" length and the ad
d 6" to move the firewall forward if seeking a better CG for heavy pilots.
No other changes to the fuse needed? One would think the longer fuse would
offer some advantages say during landings??
-
Don Emch could give-some insights on this toipic?-
-
KMH
--- On Sun, 8/29/10, Rick Holland wrote:
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CG for heavy pilots
Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 9:20 PM
The 1933 fuselage is 163" and the long fuse is 172 3/8". The long fuse move
s the firewall forward 2", the rear seat back 2", and all the rest is behin
d the rear seat. If you are concerned about aft CG you are better off with
the short fuselage (even if you are going to use a Corvair or O-200).
rick
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
I'm on vacation this week, so I'm going on memory here - the long fuse adds
most of the length in the nose, not the tail, so yes it'll help with a hea
vier guy like you. There's a limit to the amout you can shift the wing back
to modify the CoG. I think I've read that some people have tilted the caba
nes back by up to 4", but it looks a bit odd.
Then again, the long nose on N8031 looks a bit odd too, so... Take yer pick
of oddities.-
;-)
Dan
---
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 29, 2010, at 6:57 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrot
e:
Dan,
-
Then for a guy like me (who is 6'0 and 270 lb. mass of water, bones, and fa
t)-should-I then make my fuse longer to compensate for the heaviness of
my weight? It is reasonable for one to figure out the CG by adding the eng
ine weight, weight of pilot, weight of fuse on tail wheel, then-use that
-number to see if you have enough wing movement aft for compensation? Has
anyone figured out what modifications are needed to compensate for a heavi
er pilot say 270?
KMH
-
--- On Sun, 8/29/10, Dan Yocum wrote:
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib drawing
Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 2:34 PM
I disagree. I think 29" on-center is a better dimension. It matches the 29"
between the attach points on the fuse. And even though WW thinks it's a mi
sguided belief that one can shift the wing back and forth to correct for Co
G issues, a perfect parallelogram *will* allow for such shifting. I do agre
e with his assessment that the attach points for the diagonal cabanes shoul
d be heavy duty, permanent jobs, if not welded, but that's a different issu
e.
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 28, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
>
> The 27 3/4 is the important dimension. Go ahead and use it!
>
> Ryan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 28, 2010, at 4:35 PM, JGriff wrote:
>
>>
>> I received my plans and am about to construct my rib jig on 3/4" MDF. I
didn't give much thought to using the supplied rib drawing and instead was
going to plot out the shape because so many posts in the archive say not to
use it since the drawing is off due to the xerox reproduction. I just doub
le checked the drawing and it seems pretty accurate. The chord is 58" which
I assume is correct because it doesn't include the leading or trailing edg
e. Also the 27 3/4 inch dim given between the spars is spot on. Has the dra
wing improved from years past? I'm thinking of using it - has anyone else u
sed it instead of plotting it out?
>> Thanks.
>> Jamie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | leading edge covering |
| From: | "jimbir" <jimbir(at)yahoo.com> |
The covering for the leading edge of the wings is specified as 1/16" hardboard
or plywood on the Pietenpol plans and 28 ga. aluminum in the article in the 1932
edition of Flying and Glider Manual. Is aluminum acceptable? I ask because
it is readily obtainable whereas the plywood is not.
Secondly, On page 18 there is shown the motor mount bracing as two separate pieces
rather then the one piece welded assembly shown on the plans. Are these an
acceptable substitute? I ask because these would be much easier to fabricate.
--------
Thanks, Jim Birke
Ira G. Ross Aerospace Museum
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: CG for heavy pilots |
In compromise what would the impact be by adding 4" or a recommend amount
(?)to the engine mount since the fuse is already built and much harder to
than the engine yet still concerned about big pilots and heavy tails with 250
lbs of engine?
John
In a message dated 9/2/2010 2:54:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com writes:
Just to be clear, one should create a fuse using the 163" length and the
add 6" to move the firewall forward if seeking a better CG for heavy pilots.
No other changes to the fuse needed? One would think the longer fuse would
offer some advantages say during landings??
Don Emch could give some insights on this toipic?
KMH
--- On Sun, 8/29/10, Rick Holland wrote:
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CG for heavy pilots
Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 9:20 PM
The 1933 fuselage is 163" and the long fuse is 172 3/8". The long fuse
moves the firewall forward 2", the rear seat back 2", and all the rest is
behind the rear seat. If you are concerned about aft CG you are better off
with the short fuselage (even if you are going to use a Corvair or O-200).
rick
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Dan Yocum <_yocum137(at)gmail.com_
(http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum137@gmail.com) > wrote:
I'm on vacation this week, so I'm going on memory here - the long fuse
adds most of the length in the nose, not the tail, so yes it'll help with a
heavier guy like you. There's a limit to the amout you can shift the wing
back to modify the CoG. I think I've read that some people have tilted the
cabanes back by up to 4", but it looks a bit odd.
Then again, the long nose on N8031 looks a bit odd too, so... Take yer
pick of oddities.
;-)
Dan
--
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_yocum137(at)gmail.com_
(http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum137@gmail.com)
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 29, 2010, at 6:57 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <_kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com_
(http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kmheidecpo@yahoo.com) > wrote:
Dan,
Then for a guy like me (who is 6'0 and 270 lb. mass of water, bones, and
fat) should I then make my fuse longer to compensate for the heaviness of
my weight? It is reasonable for one to figure out the CG by adding the
engine weight, weight of pilot, weight of fuse on tail wheel, then use that
number to see if you have enough wing movement aft for compensation? Has
anyone figured out what modifications are needed to compensate for a heavier
pilot say 270?
KMH
--- On Sun, 8/29/10, Dan Yocum <_yocum137(at)gmail.com_
(http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum137@gmail.com) > wrote:
From: Dan Yocum <_yocum137(at)gmail.com_
(http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum137@gmail.com) >
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib drawing
(http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietenpol-list@matronics.com) " <_pietenpol-list@matronics.com_
(http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietenpol-list@matronics.com) >
Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 2:34 PM
(http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum137@gmail.com) _yocum137@gmail.com_
(http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum137@gmail.com) >
I disagree. I think 29" on-center is a better dimension. It matches the
29" between the attach points on the fuse. And even though WW thinks it's a
misguided belief that one can shift the wing back and forth to correct for
CoG issues, a perfect parallelogram *will* allow for such shifting. I do
agree with his assessment that the attach points for the diagonal cabanes
should be heavy duty, permanent jobs, if not welded, but that's a different
issue.
Dan
--
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(http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum137@gmail.com)
_yocum137(at)gmail.com_
(http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum137@gmail.com)
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 28, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Ryan Mueller <
(http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rmueller23@gmail.com) _rmueller23@gmail.com_
(http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rmueller23@gmail.com) > wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ryan Mueller <
(http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rmueller23@gmail.com) _rmueller23@gmail.com_
(http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rmueller23@gmail.com) >
>
> The 27 3/4 is the important dimension. Go ahead and use it!
>
> Ryan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 28, 2010, at 4:35 PM, JGriff <
(http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jgriffith19@comcast.net) _jgriffith19@comcast.net_
(http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jgriffith19@comcast.net) > wrote:
>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "JGriff" <
(http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jgriffith19@comcast.net) _jgriffith19@comcast.net_
(http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jgriffith19@comcast.net) >
>>
>> I received my plans and am about to construct my rib jig on 3/4" MDF. I
didn't give much thought to using the supplied rib drawing and instead
was going to plot out the shape because so many posts in the archive say not
to use it since the drawing is off due to the xerox reproduction. I just
double checked the drawing and it seems pretty accurate. The chord is 58"
which I assume is correct because it doesn't include the leading or trailing
edge. Also the 27 3/4 inch dim given between the spars is spot on. Has the
drawing improved from years past? I'm thinking of using it - has anyone
else used it instead of plotting it out?
>> Thanks.
>> Jamie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> (http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413)
_http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413_
(http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413)
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| Subject: | Re: CG for heavy pilots |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
I am not recommending changing anything, just mentioning what I did based on
a recommendation Bernard made in a 1960s interview. As a result my W&B
should come out without having to move the wing back (long fuse and
Corvair). But I have not yet flown this thing so I am not an authority on
anything (other than doing a W&B).
rick
KMH
>
>
> --- On *Sun, 8/29/10, Rick Holland * wrote:
>
>
> From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CG for heavy pilotst I
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 9:20 PM
>
> The 1933 fuselage is 163" and the long fuse is 172 3/8". The long fuse
> moves the firewall forward 2", the rear seat back 2", and all the rest is
> behind the rear seat. If you are concerned about aft CG you are better off
> with the short fuselage (even if you are going to use a Corvair or O-200).
>
> rick
>
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Dan Yocum http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum137@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> I'm on vacation this week, so I'm going on memory here - the long fuse
> adds most of the length in the nose, not the tail, so yes it'll help with a
> heavier guy like you. There's a limit to the amout you can shift the wing
> back to modify the CoG. I think I've read that some people have tilted the
> cabanes back by up to 4", but it looks a bit odd.
>
> Then again, the long nose on N8031 looks a bit odd too, so... Take yer pick
> of oddities.
>
> ;-)
>
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> yocum137@gmail.com<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum137@gmail.com>
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
> On Aug 29, 2010, at 6:57 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> Then for a guy like me (who is 6'0 and 270 lb. mass of water, bones, and
> fat) should I then make my fuse longer to compensate for the heaviness of my
> weight? It is reasonable for one to figure out the CG by adding the engine
> weight, weight of pilot, weight of fuse on tail wheel, then use that number
> to see if you have enough wing movement aft for compensation? Has anyone
> figured out what modifications are needed to compensate for a heavier pilot
> say 270?
>
> KMH
> *
> *
> **
>
>
> --- On *Sun, 8/29/10, Dan Yocum http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum137@gmail.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum137@gmail.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib drawing
> To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietenpol-list@matronics.com>"
> http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> >
> Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 2:34 PM
>
> yocum137@gmail.com<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum137@gmail.com>
> >
>
> I disagree. I think 29" on-center is a better dimension. It matches the 29"
> between the attach points on the fuse. And even though WW thinks it's a
> misguided belief that one can shift the wing back and forth to correct for
> CoG issues, a perfect parallelogram *will* allow for such shifting. I do
> agree with his assessment that the attach points for the diagonal cabanes
> should be heavy duty, permanent jobs, if not welded, but that's a different
> issue.
>
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> <http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum137@gmail.com>
> yocum137@gmail.com<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yocum137@gmail.com>
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
> On Aug 28, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Ryan Mueller <<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rmueller23@gmail.com>
> rmueller23@gmail.com<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rmueller23@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> rmueller23@gmail.com<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rmueller23@gmail.com>
> >
> >
> > The 27 3/4 is the important dimension. Go ahead and use it!
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 28, 2010, at 4:35 PM, JGriff <<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jgriffith19@comcast.net>
> jgriffith19@comcast.net<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jgriffith19@comcast.net>>
> wrote:
> >
> jgriffith19@comcast.net<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jgriffith19@comcast.net>
> >
> >>
> >> I received my plans and am about to construct my rib jig on 3/4" MDF. I
> didn't give much thought to using the supplied rib drawing and instead was
> going to plot out the shape because so many posts in the archive say not to
> use it since the drawing is off due to the xerox reproduction. I just double
> checked the drawing and it seems pretty accurate. The chord is 58" which I
> assume is correct because it doesn't include the leading or trailing edge.
> Also the 27 3/4 inch dim given between the spars is spot on. Has the drawing
> improved from years past? I'm thinking of using it - has anyone else used it
> instead of plotting it out?
> >> Thanks.
> >> Jamie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: CG for heavy pilots |
John several of us have added to the engine mount. I added 4 inches to mine
and wish I had added 6inches. I am trying to stay with the cabanes only sl
anted back 2 to 2 1/2 inches versus the 4 inches several have had to use.
Jim B.
----- Original Message -----
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2010 12:01:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CG for heavy pilots
In compromise what would the impact be by adding 4" or a recommend amount (
?)to the engine mount since the fuse is already built and much harder to th
an the engine yet still concerned about big pilots and heavy tails=C2-wit
h 250 lbs of engine?
John
In a message dated 9/2/2010 2:54:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kmheidecpo@
yahoo.com writes:
Just to be clear, one should create a fuse using the 163" length and the ad
d 6" to move the firewall forward if seeking a better CG for heavy pilots.
No other changes to the fuse needed? One would think the longer fuse would
offer some advantages say during landings??
Don Emch could give=C2-some insights on this toipic?=C2-
KMH
--- On Sun, 8/29/10, Rick Holland wrote:
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CG for heavy pilots
Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 9:20 PM
The 1933 fuselage is 163" and the long fuse is 172 3/8". The long fuse move
s the firewall forward 2", the rear seat back 2", and all the rest is behin
d the rear seat. If you are concerned about aft CG you are better off with
the short fuselage (even if you are going to use a Corvair or O-200).
rick
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Dan Yocum < yocum137(at)gmail.com > wrote:
I'm on vacation this week, so I'm going on memory here - the long fuse adds
most of the length in the nose, not the tail, so yes it'll help with a hea
vier guy like you. There's a limit to the amout you can shift the wing back
to modify the CoG. I think I've read that some people have tilted the caba
nes back by up to 4", but it looks a bit odd.
Then again, the long nose on N8031 looks a bit odd too, so... Take yer pick
of oddities.=C2-
;-)
Dan
--=C2-
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 29, 2010, at 6:57 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP < kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com > wr
ote:
Dan,
Then for a guy like me (who is 6'0 and 270 lb. mass of water, bones, and fa
t)=C2-should=C2-I then make my fuse longer to compensate for the heavin
ess of my weight? It is reasonable for one to figure out the CG by adding t
he engine weight, weight of pilot, weight of fuse on tail wheel, then=C2-
use that=C2-number to see if you have enough wing movement aft for compen
sation? Has anyone figured out what modifications are needed to compensate
for a heavier pilot say 270?
KMH
--- On Sun, 8/29/10, Dan Yocum < yocum137(at)gmail.com > wrote:
From: Dan Yocum < yocum137(at)gmail.com >
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib drawing
Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 2:34 PM
I disagree. I think 29" on-center is a better dimension. It matches the 29"
between the attach points on the fuse. And even though WW thinks it's a mi
sguided belief that one can shift the wing back and forth to correct for Co
G issues, a perfect parallelogram *will* allow for such shifting. I do agre
e with his assessment that the attach points for the diagonal cabanes shoul
d be heavy duty, permanent jobs, if not welded, but that's a different issu
e.
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 28, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Ryan Mueller < rmueller23(at)gmail.com > wrote:
>
>
> The 27 3/4 is the important dimension. Go ahead and use it!
>
> Ryan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 28, 2010, at 4:35 PM, JGriff < jgriffith19(at)comcast.net > wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I received my plans and am about to construct my rib jig on 3/4" MDF. I
didn't give much thought to using the supplied rib drawing and instead was
going to plot out the shape because so many posts in the archive say not to
use it since the drawing is off due to the xerox reproduction. I just doub
le checked the drawing and it seems pretty accurate. The chord is 58" which
I assume is correct because it doesn't include the leading or trailing edg
e. Also the 27 3/4 inch dim given between the spars is spot on. Has the dra
wing improved from years past? I'm thinking of using it - has anyone else u
sed it instead of plotting it out?
>> Thanks.
>> Jamie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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In compromise what would the impact be by adding 4" or a recommend amount (
?)to the engine mount since the fuse is already built and much harder to th
an the engine yet still concerned about big pilots and heavy tails=C2-wit
h 250 lbs of engine?
John
In a message dated 9/2/2010 2:54:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kmheidecpo@
yahoo.com writes:
Just to be clear, one should create a fuse using the 163" length and the ad
d 6" to move the firewall forward if seeking a better CG for heavy pilots.
No other changes to the fuse needed? One would think the longer fuse would
offer some advantages say during landings??
Don Emch could give=C2-some insights on this toipic?=C2-
KMH
--- On Sun, 8/29/10, Rick Holland wrote:
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CG for heavy pilots
Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 9:20 PM
The 1933 fuselage is 163" and the long fuse is 172 3/8". The long fuse move
s the firewall forward 2", the rear seat back 2", and all the rest is behin
d the rear seat. If you are concerned about aft CG you are better off with
the short fuselage (even if you are going to use a Corvair or O-200).
rick
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Dan Yocum < yocum137(at)gmail.com > wrote:
I'm on vacation this week, so I'm going on memory here - the long fuse adds
most of the length in the nose, not the tail, so yes it'll help with a hea
vier guy like you. There's a limit to the amout you can shift the wing back
to modify the CoG. I think I've read that some people have tilted the caba
nes back by up to 4", but it looks a bit odd.
Then again, the long nose on N8031 looks a bit odd too, so... Take yer pick
of oddities.=C2-
;-)
Dan
--=C2-
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 29, 2010, at 6:57 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP < kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com > wr
ote:
Dan,
Then for a guy like me (who is 6'0 and 270 lb. mass of water, bones, and fa
t)=C2-should=C2-I then make my fuse longer to compensate for the heavin
ess of my weight? It is reasonable for one to figure out the CG by adding t
he engine weight, weight of pilot, weight of fuse on tail wheel, then=C2-
use that=C2-number to see if you have enough wing movement aft for compen
sation? Has anyone figured out what modifications are needed to compensate
for a heavier pilot say 270?
KMH
--- On Sun, 8/29/10, Dan Yocum < yocum137(at)gmail.com > wrote:
From: Dan Yocum < yocum137(at)gmail.com >
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib drawing
Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 2:34 PM
I disagree. I think 29" on-center is a better dimension. It matches the 29"
between the attach points on the fuse. And even though WW thinks it's a mi
sguided belief that one can shift the wing back and forth to correct for Co
G issues, a perfect parallelogram *will* allow for such shifting. I do agre
e with his assessment that the attach points for the diagonal cabanes shoul
d be heavy duty, permanent jobs, if not welded, but that's a different issu
e.
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 28, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Ryan Mueller < rmueller23(at)gmail.com > wrote:
>
>
> The 27 3/4 is the important dimension. Go ahead and use it!
>
> Ryan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 28, 2010, at 4:35 PM, JGriff < jgriffith19(at)comcast.net > wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I received my plans and am about to construct my rib jig on 3/4" MDF. I
didn't give much thought to using the supplied rib drawing and instead was
going to plot out the shape because so many posts in the archive say not to
use it since the drawing is off due to the xerox reproduction. I just doub
le checked the drawing and it seems pretty accurate. The chord is 58" which
I assume is correct because it doesn't include the leading or trailing edg
e. Also the 27 3/4 inch dim given between the spars is spot on. Has the dra
wing improved from years past? I'm thinking of using it - has anyone else u
sed it instead of plotting it out?
>> Thanks.
>> Jamie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310413#310413
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: leading edge covering |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
You can use aluminum, but generally the plywood can be lighter, easier to
install, and more durable. Is the plywood not readily obtainable, or you
just don't want to pay the money to obtain it? Aircraft Spruce and Wicks
Aircraft both have it aplenty, and worst case you can probably find a source
of marine grade ply closer to you if you don't want to pay to ship from the
aircraft supply house.
Looking at the two different drawings for the motor mount: are you comparing
Model A mount to Model A mount between the F&G Manual and the full size
plans? The differences between those mounts are pretty minor: the ends up of
the flattened tubes are welded instead of just bolted together, there's a
slight tubing size change, and you construct the firewall end of the mount a
bit differently. I don't see how the F&G mount is "much easier" to fabricate
than the one from the full size plans, and the one from the full size plans
gets rid of the notched, bent, and rewelded tubes in the mount and should
add some stability at the forward end....
Ryan
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:41 PM, jimbir wrote:
>
> The covering for the leading edge of the wings is specified as 1/16"
> hardboard or plywood on the Pietenpol plans and 28 ga. aluminum in the
> article in the 1932 edition of Flying and Glider Manual. Is aluminum
> acceptable? I ask because it is readily obtainable whereas the plywood is
> not.
>
> Secondly, On page 18 there is shown the motor mount bracing as two separate
> pieces rather then the one piece welded assembly shown on the plans. Are
> these an acceptable substitute? I ask because these would be much easier to
> fabricate.
>
> --------
> Thanks, Jim Birke
> Ira G. Ross Aerospace Museum
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311107#311107
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: latex gloves and solvents |
Be careful with using latex gloves and mek.- Mek WILL go right through th
ose latex gloves like they're not even there.- I learned that the hard wa
y years ago at work one night.- We had to clean off all the engine placar
ds (decals) and stincill and paint them on.- Scrubbing with shop rags and
MEK our hands were burning like a SOB.- Untill we were told by an old ti
mer, that mek, permiates right on through the latex (even tried 3 layers of
gloves).- They will help keep the sticky mess off of you but don't rely
on them to keep all those carsinigens (spelling) out of your liver.- The
heavy green (butal rubber?) gloves are what I use when cleaning with mek no
w.- Realistically, if you are gluing, painting sealing etc and not dippin
g your hands in raw mek, or a rag soaked with mek you are probably not at a
high exposure.- Ten years ago I used to bathe in MEK to get pro seal off
my hands and arms, when "gloves were for sissies", older and wiser now.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: leading edge covering |
Some have been
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A |
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
Don Emch wrote:
>
> Recently, I had the opportunity to fly Allen Rudolph's old Piet, now owned by
Frank Pavliga. Quite a flying machine!
>
> By the way, I really think if I were to build another Piet I'd do my best to
replicate THAT one. What a beautiful flying airplane!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
Don,
What, in your opinion, makes it a beautiful flying airplane? What would you replicate?
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: latex gloves and solvents |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
I was wondering about that 3rd eye growing out of my forehead...
:)
Fair comments about the gloves.
After 10 years as the safety/environmental/IH guy at a resin/paint plant (10,000
gallon tank of MEK in addition to lots of other solvents) the processes used
for Stits and Ceconite represent relatively low dose exposures. Certainly not
what you'd consider occupational. If you covered planes for a living it'd be
different. Having said all that, if the chemicals concern you, consider the
water-based processes. The safety procedures listed in the Poly-Fiber manual
are adequate.
Kevin Purtee, CSP
--------
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: latex gloves and solvents |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Yea, gloves and seatbelts are for sissies.
do no archive
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:50 PM, shad bell wrote:
> Be careful with using latex gloves and mek. Mek WILL go right through
> those latex gloves like they're not even there. I learned that the hard way
> years ago at work one night. We had to clean off all the engine placards
> (decals) and stincill and paint them on. Scrubbing with shop rags and MEK
> our hands were burning like a SOB. Untill we were told by an old timer,
> that mek, permiates right on through the latex (even tried 3 layers of
> gloves). They will help keep the sticky mess off of you but don't rely on
> them to keep all those carsinigens (spelling) out of your liver. The heavy
> green (butal rubber?) gloves are what I use when cleaning with mek now.
> Realistically, if you are gluing, painting sealing etc and not dipping your
> hands in raw mek, or a rag soaked with mek you are probably not at a high
> exposure. Ten years ago I used to bathe in MEK to get pro seal off my hands
> and arms, when "gloves were for sissies", older and wiser now.
>
> Shad
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: leading edge covering |
I do NOT like how the aluminum LE came out on our Piet. Very lumpy
and wavy. I think you'll be happier with plywood.
>
>The covering for the leading edge of the wings is specified as 1/16"
>hardboard or plywood on the Pietenpol plans and 28 ga. aluminum in
>the article in the 1932 edition of Flying and Glider Manual. Is
>aluminum acceptable? I ask because it is readily obtainable whereas
>the plywood is not.
>
>Secondly, On page 18 there is shown the motor mount bracing as two
>separate pieces rather then the one piece welded assembly shown on
>the plans. Are these an acceptable substitute? I ask because these
>would be much easier to fabricate.
>
>--------
>Thanks, Jim Birke
>Ira G. Ross Aerospace Museum
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: leading edge covering |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
I really think you'd be much happier with plywood. I recently removed aluminum
from Douwe's wings and replaced it plywood. Makes for much nicer, cleaner covering
installation and helps add some strength to that leading edge.
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311137#311137
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Short version safety lecture on solvent safety and |
hazard potential
Okay sports fans, the easiest and most reliable source of information when
handling any chemical substance is the MSDS there it will tell you exactly
what PPE is essential plus having a hefty margin of safety built in due to
liability issues. Additionally you can go directly to the glove
manufacturer and there you will find a table where you can look up solvent resistant
gloves by type of compound and solvent class which will provide a wear
recommendation and rating.
Skin absorption is typically under identified and underestimated, however
inhalation although most insidious provides a rather tell tale odor which
one can easily be desensitized to. If you're really interested in preventing
exposure to organic vapors you need to provide levels of protection. First
off is ventilation fumes that are not there cant affect you, next is PPE
eye protection, respirator, gloves and protective aprons and clothing making
certain to keep all beverage containers closed and food stuffs out of the
area to avoid contamination and ingestion as a potential route of entry.
Next and equally important is your knowledge, the MSDS contains a section
on health effects in which it describes adverse health effects in acute
and chronic exposures. Solvents are typified by acute exposures as the
symptomatically illustrating how you will feel if and when you are over exposed
to organic solvents. Real important stuff, if you start to get a buzz you
need to get out and into fresh air quickly and do not return to the area until
the fumes have had a chance to dissipate any your feeling of euphoria has
bee reduced to less than the hangover headache. Enclosed spaces are
dangerous.
Beyond their toxic effects organic solvents have another little nasty that
accompanies it. Flammability and explosiveity, The is a window of
opportunity in heavily ladened solvent environments its called lel and uel those
are
the airborne concentration percentages in the upper and lower ranges of
explosive environments. Below the lel not enough fuel above the uel too much
fuel and not enough oxygen and in the middle any ignition source will
ignite the explosive mixture. So be careful of the fire potential ignited will
have an adverse acute effect and will eliminate any possibility of your
suffering the chronic effects.
Sorry for the lecture, I usually do it in a 4 hour program with slides,
pictures and entertaining stories.
Short version.
John
In a message dated 9/2/2010 3:52:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com writes:
Be careful with using latex gloves and mek. Mek WILL go right through
those latex gloves like they're not even there. I learned that the hard way
years ago at work one night. We had to clean off all the engine placards
(decals) and stincill and paint them on. Scrubbing with shop rags and MEK
our hands were burning like a SOB. Untill we were told by an old timer, that
mek, permiates right on through the latex (even tried 3 layers of gloves).
They will help keep the sticky mess off of you but don't rely on them to
keep all those carsinigens (spelling) out of your liver. The heavy green
(butal rubber?) gloves are what I use when cleaning with mek now.
Realistically, if you are gluing, painting sealing etc and not dipping your hands
in raw mek, or a rag soaked with mek you are probably not at a high
exposure. Ten years ago I used to bathe in MEK to get pro seal off my hands and
arms, when "gloves were for sissies", older and wiser now.
Shad
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Question for Westcoast Piet builders and flyers |
Guys--- just wondering if you all are in the same general area of CA or ar
e you all spread out ? Just wondering
and thought maybe I'd expand my knowledge of geography a bit.
Are any of you near the French Valley EAA Chapter who brought that GORGEOUS
bare Pietenpol to Brodhead, then
Oshkosh ? What an EFFORT to bring that thing via truck ALL the way t
o Wisconsin and back. Very cool.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | more info on the Lee Bottom Fly-in, Last weekend in September, |
Southern IN
I am planning on flying my Piet there Shad on Friday, arriving sometime in the
afternoon weather permitting
then leaving Sunday before 11 am.
It is a great event. I was there in 2008 and there were two other Pietenpols
there, one from Northern Indiana.
I hope we can make a good showing of Piets.
For a taste of what the Lee Bottom Event is like go HERE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r91F95FIIZo
THEN to find out details about the fly-in go HERE: http://www.leebottom.com/
If you fly in you should be a taildragger.........this really isn't a C-172 event
at all, they have specific
guidelines at this site about the fly-in. FAQ's: http://www.leebottom.com/FLY%20IN%20FAQ.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | more info on the Lee Bottom Fly-in, Last weekend in |
September, Southern IN
My Wife and I plan on flying to Lee Bottom in our Tripacer of Friday the
24th and leaving on Sunday the 26th. There will probably be a pretty good
gaggle also flying down from my home airport in Valparaiso IN. We flew to
the last Sinful Sundae at Lee Bottom and there must have been over 125
planes parked when we go there at 1:00. We almost didn't go since we got
such a late start from VPZ and thought everyone would have left. When we
were on final there were 3 of us on final with another 2 in the pattern.
Tomorrow morning we plan on flying to Blakesburg Iowa for the annual
Antique Aircraft Association flyin in. Much better than going to Oshkosh.
Rick Schreiber
> [Original Message]
> From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: 9/2/2010 5:10:25 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: more info on the Lee Bottom Fly-in, Last weekend
in September, Southern IN
>
Aerospace Corporation]"
>
> I am planning on flying my Piet there Shad on Friday, arriving sometime
in the afternoon weather permitting
> then leaving Sunday before 11 am.
>
> It is a great event. I was there in 2008 and there were two other
Pietenpols there, one from Northern Indiana.
> I hope we can make a good showing of Piets.
>
> For a taste of what the Lee Bottom Event is like go HERE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r91F95FIIZo
>
> THEN to find out details about the fly-in go HERE:
http://www.leebottom.com/
>
>
> If you fly in you should be a taildragger.........this really isn't a
C-172 event at all, they have specific
> guidelines at this site about the fly-in. FAQ's:
http://www.leebottom.com/FLY%20IN%20FAQ.html
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | The Stewart System |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi all,
I used the Stewart System and would recommend it. The best thing about it
was the fact that it is all water soluble, and everything cleans up with
water. During the painting of an airplane from start to finish, one must
clean brushes, guns etc countless times. I simply walked over to the sink
and turned on the water. No stink, no fumes, no harmful solvents I believ
e the glue to be superior to the other systems. Watch the YouTube videos
that Stewart has posted. Very easy to use. Their final color coats are a
true two- part paint system and is equivalent to any polyurethane when cu
red. No fresh air respirator needed.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | correction by me about Lee Bottom's event |
I read this on their FAQ page: http://www.leebottom.com/FLY%20IN%20FAQ.html
Who can attend?
Ans: All aircraft (yes, this includes metal planes and nosewheel aircraft) and
most people are welcome.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The Stewart System |
Is stewart system the same as AFS brand Cecobond?- Dad used the cecobond,
waterbased glue which is now Ecobond I believe.- Bluish green in color a
nd can be thinned with water for sealing the weave if desired.- Works pre
tty good, but I am not sure if it is compatible with other paints like dope
or polyurethanes.- We used latex so the whole process was cleaned up wit
h H2O.- It has a good aftertaste when washed down with a cold miller lite
as well.
-
Shad
--- On Thu, 9/2/10, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Stewart System
Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 6:50 PM
Hi all,
-
I used the Stewart System and would recommend it. The best thing about it w
as the fact that it is all water soluble, and everything cleans up with wat
er. During the painting of an airplane from start to finish, one must clean
brushes, guns etc countless times. I simply walked over to the sink and tu
rned on the water. No stink, no fumes, no harmful solvents I believe the gl
ue to be superior to the other systems. Watch the YouTube videos that Stewa
rt has posted. Very easy to use. Their final color coats are a true two- pa
rt paint system and is equivalent to any polyurethane when cured. No fresh
air respirator needed.
-
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Short version safety lecture on solvent safety |
and hazard potential
John,
Am I correct that acetone is safer?
Jack
DSM
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 4:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Short version safety lecture on solvent
safety and hazard potential
Okay sports fans, the easiest and most reliable source of information when
handling any chemical substance is the MSDS there it will tell you exactly
what PPE is essential plus having a hefty margin of safety built in due to
liability issues. Additionally you can go directly to the glove manufacturer
and there you will find a table where you can look up solvent resistant
gloves by type of compound and solvent class which will provide a wear
recommendation and rating.
Skin absorption is typically under identified and underestimated, however
inhalation although most insidious provides a rather tell tale odor which
one can easily be desensitized to. If you're really interested in preventing
exposure to organic vapors you need to provide levels of protection. First
off is ventilation fumes that are not there cant affect you, next is PPE eye
protection, respirator, gloves and protective aprons and clothing making
certain to keep all beverage containers closed and food stuffs out of the
area to avoid contamination and ingestion as a potential route of entry.
Next and equally important is your knowledge, the MSDS contains a section on
health effects in which it describes adverse health effects in acute and
chronic exposures. Solvents are typified by acute exposures as the
symptomatically illustrating how you will feel if and when you are over
exposed to organic solvents. Real important stuff, if you start to get a
buzz you need to get out and into fresh air quickly and do not return to the
area until the fumes have had a chance to dissipate any your feeling of
euphoria has bee reduced to less than the hangover headache. Enclosed spaces
are dangerous.
Beyond their toxic effects organic solvents have another little nasty that
accompanies it. Flammability and explosiveity, The is a window of
opportunity in heavily ladened solvent environments its called lel and uel
those are the airborne concentration percentages in the upper and lower
ranges of explosive environments. Below the lel not enough fuel above the
uel too much fuel and not enough oxygen and in the middle any ignition
source will ignite the explosive mixture. So be careful of the fire
potential ignited will have an adverse acute effect and will eliminate any
possibility of your suffering the chronic effects.
Sorry for the lecture, I usually do it in a 4 hour program with slides,
pictures and entertaining stories.
Short version.
John
In a message dated 9/2/2010 3:52:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com writes:
Be careful with using latex gloves and mek. Mek WILL go right through those
latex gloves like they're not even there. I learned that the hard way years
ago at work one night. We had to clean off all the engine placards (decals)
and stincill and paint them on. Scrubbing with shop rags and MEK our hands
were burning like a SOB. Untill we were told by an old timer, that mek,
permiates right on through the latex (even tried 3 layers of gloves). They
will help keep the sticky mess off of you but don't rely on them to keep all
those carsinigens (spelling) out of your liver. The heavy green (butal
rubber?) gloves are what I use when cleaning with mek now. Realistically,
if you are gluing, painting sealing etc and not dipping your hands in raw
mek, or a rag soaked with mek you are probably not at a high exposure. Ten
years ago I used to bathe in MEK to get pro seal off my hands and arms, when
"gloves were for sissies", older and wiser now.
Shad
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| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
This is good information. I like the idea of an internal ground plane sheet even
if it isn't too big. I am guessing it needs to be grounded to the negative battery
terminal since it's mounted in a wood fuselage? or maybe only the radio
grounding from the antenna coax? probably wouldn't matter for the ELT but might
with a radio antenna as far as interference.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311178#311178
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The Stewart System |
Shad,
Yes it is the same. The Stewart Bros bought the AFS line a few years
back (four or five) and seem to have taken it to the next level.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Sep 2, 2010, at 7:46 PM, shad bell wrote:
> Is stewart system the same as AFS brand Cecobond? Dad used the
cecobond, waterbased glue which is now Ecobond I believe. Bluish green
in color and can be thinned with water for sealing the weave if desired.
Works pretty good, but I am not sure if it is compatible with other
paints like dope or polyurethanes. We used latex so the whole process
was cleaned up with H2O. It has a good aftertaste when washed down with
a cold miller lite as well.
>
> Shad
>
> --- On Thu, 9/2/10, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Stewart System
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 6:50 PM
>
> Hi all,
>
> I used the Stewart System and would recommend it. The best thing about
it was the fact that it is all water soluble, and everything cleans up
with water. During the painting of an airplane from start to finish, one
must clean brushes, guns etc countless times. I simply walked over to
the sink and turned on the water. No stink, no fumes, no harmful
solvents I believe the glue to be superior to the other systems. Watch
the YouTube videos that Stewart has posted. Very easy to use. Their
final color coats are a true two- part paint system and is equivalent to
any polyurethane when cured. No fresh air respirator needed.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
>
> " rel=nofollow
target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com
> llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Short version safety lecture on solvent safety |
and ha...
Simple answer: you are correct from purely an exposure value, however it
may have some other more dangerous effects that are not captured by just TLV
numbers so you have to look at the whole animal in making a safe judgment
call. Flammability, toxicity, carcinogenic, acute and chronic effects just a
full set of variables.
The easiest place to locate and determine information on toxic substance
comes again from the MSDS. If you look at exposure information it will
provide you values in terms of TLV or THRESHOLD LIMIT VALUES. Those are presented
in amounts that can be listed in ration form as ppm parts per million ppb
billion, Mg/m3 Milligrams of material per cubic meter of air. When looking
at that information one has to realize how to interpret the data. for
example the smaller or lower the tlv the more toxic the substance as shown in
the simple chart below. It does give you an idea as to when all things are
held constant and equal the TLV for each substance differs based upon its
level of toxicity in terms of how little it takes to have an effect on the
human body.
ACGIH recommends 500 ppm TLV Acetone
400 ppm TLV Ethyl Ether
100 to 200 ppm TLV MEK
100 ppm TLV Mineral spirits
50 ppm TLV MIBK
50 ppm TLV Toluene
.5ppm TLV Benzene
Not that any of these are any good for you, however from a basic exposure
standpoint Acetone is the least toxic as determined by its TLV only. With
the higher value it represents the statement that it takes more airborne
acetone to be hazardous to your health than it does MIBK or benzene which by
the numbers is 1000 time more toxic in and by comparison.
The other great information source is a document called the Registry of
toxic effects of chemical substances RTECS and the NIOSH guide you can get
some really good information on the subject. RTECS also provides information
in terms of the LD 50 or lethal dose of a material.
Sorry to bet his one to death its getting late my apologies
John
In a message dated 9/2/2010 9:34:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jack@
textors.com writes:
John,
Am I correct that acetone is safer?
Jack
DSM
____________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 4:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Short version safety lecture on solvent
safety and hazard potential
Okay sports fans, the easiest and most reliable source of information when
handling any chemical substance is the MSDS there it will tell you exactly
what PPE is essential plus having a hefty margin of safety built in due to
liability issues. Additionally you can go directly to the glove
manufacturer and there you will find a table where you can look up solvent resistant
gloves by type of compound and solvent class which will provide a wear
recommendation and rating.
Skin absorption is typically under identified and underestimated, however
inhalation although most insidious provides a rather tell tale odor which
one can easily be desensitized to. If you're really interested in preventing
exposure to organic vapors you need to provide levels of protection. First
off is ventilation fumes that are not there cant affect you, next is PPE
eye protection, respirator, gloves and protective aprons and clothing making
certain to keep all beverage containers closed and food stuffs out of the
area to avoid contamination and ingestion as a potential route of entry.
Next and equally important is your knowledge, the MSDS contains a section
on health effects in which it describes adverse health effects in acute
and chronic exposures. Solvents are typified by acute exposures as the
symptomatically illustrating how you will feel if and when you are over exposed
to organic solvents. Real important stuff, if you start to get a buzz you
need to get out and into fresh air quickly and do not return to the area
until the fumes have had a chance to dissipate any your feeling of euphoria
has bee reduced to less than the hangover headache. Enclosed spaces are
dangerous.
Beyond their toxic effects organic solvents have another little nasty that
accompanies it. Flammability and explosiveity, The is a window of
opportunity in heavily ladened solvent environments its called lel and uel those
are the airborne concentration percentages in the upper and lower ranges of
explosive environments. Below the lel not enough fuel above the uel too much
fuel and not enough oxygen and in the middle any ignition source will
ignite the explosive mixture. So be careful of the fire potential ignited will
have an adverse acute effect and will eliminate any possibility of your
suffering the chronic effects.
Sorry for the lecture, I usually do it in a 4 hour program with slides,
pictures and entertaining stories.
Short version.
John
In a message dated 9/2/2010 3:52:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com writes:
Be careful with using latex gloves and mek. Mek WILL go right through
those latex gloves like they're not even there. I learned that the hard way
years ago at work one night. We had to clean off all the engine placards
(decals) and stincill and paint them on. Scrubbing with shop rags and MEK
our hands were burning like a SOB. Untill we were told by an old timer,
that mek, permiates right on through the latex (even tried 3 layers of
gloves). They will help keep the sticky mess off of you but don't rely on them
to
keep all those carsinigens (spelling) out of your liver. The heavy green
(butal rubber?) gloves are what I use when cleaning with mek now.
Realistically, if you are gluing, painting sealing etc and not dipping your hands
in raw mek, or a rag soaked with mek you are probably not at a high
exposure. Ten years ago I used to bathe in MEK to get pro seal off my hands and
arms, when "gloves were for sissies", older and wiser now.
Shad
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| From: | "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
Centre of the coax goes to the antenna, shield to the ground plane. No need
to earth the ground plane to the battery.
I actually used a ground plane antenna mounted behind the rear seat. Check
out http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0213_JPG.jpg or
http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0214_JPG.jpg. The
antenna is mounted upside down to get it in but the radio waves don't know
that.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of skellytown
flyer
Sent: Friday, 3 September 2010 12:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: antenna
This is good information. I like the idea of an internal ground plane sheet
even if it isn't too big. I am guessing it needs to be grounded to the
negative battery terminal since it's mounted in a wood fuselage? or maybe
only the radio grounding from the antenna coax? probably wouldn't matter for
the ELT but might with a radio antenna as far as interference.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311178#311178
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Question for Westcoast Piet builders and flyers |
Hi Mike,
There are three (Chris Tracy, Gary Boothe, and Mike Weaver) =C2-in the Sa
cramento area, me in Santa Rosa 50 miles N. of San Francisco, Mike Groah in
Tulare approximately 100 miles S.=C2-of San Francisco, and Charlie Mille
r a couple hours S. of Tulare. We have a new builder starting in Petaluma,
17 miles S. of Santa Rosa.
I not familiar with French Valley.
Cheers,
Jim B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D. Cuy (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cu
y(at)nasa.gov>
Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2010 2:54:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question for Westcoast Piet builders and flyers
Guys--- just=C2- wondering if you all are in the same general area of CA
or are you all spread out ?=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Just wondering
and thought maybe I=99d expand my knowledge of geography a bit.
Are any of you near the French Valley EAA Chapter who brought that GORGEOUS
bare Pietenpol to Brodhead, then
Oshkosh ?=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- What an EFFORT to bring
that thing via truck ALL the way to Wisconsin and back.=C2-=C2-=C2-
Very cool.
Mike C.
Guys--- just=C2- wondering if you all are in the same general area of CA
or are you all spread out ?=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Just wondering
and thought maybe I=99d expand my knowledge of geography a bit.
Are any of you near the French Valley EAA Chapter who brought that GORGEOUS
bare Pietenpol to Brodhead, then
Oshkosh ?=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- What an EFFORT to bring
that thing via truck ALL the way to Wisconsin and back.=C2-=C2-=C2-
Very cool.
Mike C.
==
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
The groundplane does not have to be solid. Mine is an
aluminum mesh acquired from an art supply house.
I've added this antenna article also.
My understanding is that you don't have to ground the
groundplane to anything else. It IS the " ground " . The
coax from the radio is attached to the groundplane.
The only concern I have with mine is how it will be
affected by the control cabling when I finaly get the
thing in the air.
Clif
>
>
> This is good information. I like the idea of an internal ground plane
> sheet even if it isn't too big. I am guessing it needs to be grounded to
> the negative battery terminal since it's mounted in a wood fuselage? or
> maybe only the radio grounding from the antenna coax? probably wouldn't
> matter for the ELT but might with a radio antenna as far as interference.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dave Sornborger" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart |
Thanks Guys,Looks like Stewart is the way to go.Not much into the
toxicity levels of the others,not to mention the KaBoom! factor.
Thanks again.Dave
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| From: | "Tim White Gmail" <aa5flyer(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lee Bottom Fly-In |
His name is Stephen Emo. He has a hangar at New Carlisle. I believe his
dad built it, passed away recently and he flies it about every night and
twice on the weekends. Every time he comes back smiling.
Tim White
OH30 & FA38
----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew VanDervort
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lee Bottom Fly-In
Shad, there is a red and cream Piet at new Carlisle, has an O-200 with
lights and everything, I forget the gentlemens name though, I'll privy
see him next time I'm out there, I'll try and find out.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 1, 2010, at 8:08 PM, shad bell wrote:
Who is planning on going to lee bottom? I was planning on
flying down friday mid-day, and returning sat 3pm or so. If anyone was
flying down from ohio, I was going to see if they want to fly down
togeather. Mike C., When were you planning on going down? We could
leave from here or I can meet up with you at your 1st fuel stop if you
want a wingman. Same for Don, Frank or anyone else who wants to fly
down. By the way, does anyone on here know about a red and cream
collered piet in south western ohio (urbana area). I have a friend at
work who is based at Urbana and has seen a piet in there 2-3 times in
the past month or so. I am not aware of another piet down there. Might
be out of New Carlisle Ohio out of Barnhart Memorial?
Shad
p.s. Joseph Isaac Bell "Little Joe", is laying here in the
crib beside me, dreaming of flying the piet some day. I swear he would
almost fit in the hat box.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Question for Westcoast Piet builders and flyers |
Mike,
That really was an extreme effort by that chapter! Geographically, Jim
Boyer, Mike Weaver, Darrel Jones, Chris Tracy, John McPherson, Charlie
Miller & Bob O=99hara (built and flying), me and maybe one or two
others, all live within a short drive to Sacramento. For any of us it
would be a 7 hour drive south to get to French Valley (southern end of
California).
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Boyer
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question for Westcoast Piet builders and
flyers
Hi Mike,
There are three (Chris Tracy, Gary Boothe, and Mike Weaver) in the
Sacramento area, me in Santa Rosa 50 miles N. of San Francisco, Mike
Groah in Tulare approximately 100 miles S. of San Francisco, and Charlie
Miller a couple hours S. of Tulare. We have a new builder starting in
Petaluma, 17 miles S. of Santa Rosa.
I not familiar with French Valley.
Cheers,
Jim B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D. Cuy (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2010 2:54:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question for Westcoast Piet builders and flyers
Guys--- just wondering if you all are in the same general area of CA or
are you all spread out ? Just wondering
and thought maybe I=99d expand my knowledge of geography a bit.
Are any of you near the French Valley EAA Chapter who brought that
GORGEOUS bare Pietenpol to Brodhead, then
Oshkosh ? What an EFFORT to bring that thing via truck ALL the
way to Wisconsin and back. Very cool.
Mike C.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart |
You guys using the Stewart's System, did you use their varnish for the bare
wood prior to covering, if not, what brand/type varnish did you use?
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
--- On Fri, 9/3/10, Dave Sornborger wrote:
From: Dave Sornborger <dsornbor(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart
Date: Friday, September 3, 2010, 7:16 AM
=0A=0A =0AThanks Guys,Looks like Stewart is the way to go.Not much =0Ainto
the toxicity levels of the others,not to mention the KaBoom! =0Afactor.=0A
-- Thanks =0Aagain.Dave=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart |
Dave,
Just for your consideration, there are several on this list, some with
currently flying Piets, that have used a quality house paint! I'll be using
the Stewart system to install the fabric, then painting with one such paint.
They are flexible, uv stable and protective, and bond to most surfaces.
Attached are a couple pics from Brodhead 2009 of Shad and Gary Bell's Piet.
I think they said their brand was Sears Weatherbeater! The brushed look was
intentional and gives the appearance of old-time linen.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sornborger
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 4:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart
Thanks Guys,Looks like Stewart is the way to go.Not much into the toxicity
levels of the others,not to mention the KaBoom! factor.
Thanks again.Dave
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
I would recommend the use of an SWR meter to adjust the comm antenna once it's
installed. ELT antennas should already be optimized for their specific frequencies.
I started with one that was too long. Antennas are optimized for a specific frequency;
I centered my measurements around 121.5 mHz, figuring that was the one
I probably cared most about. I nipped small sections off the tip of the antenna
until the SWR results didn't get any better.
I can't really comment on the effect your control cables might have, beyond telling
you that Faraday's cage was alive and well in my Cub, with all the tubing
everywhere. I could barely transmit to a local tower well within their 5nm radius.
I mounted an external and ran a few feet of coax to a BNC connector for
my handheld to get outside it; problem solved. I'm guessing with a wooden fuselage,
your cables shouldn't have that much effect. I don't know if the moisture
in the wood has a significant impact, but I doubt it. If this were microwaves
(like my TV dish antenna), leaves (epecially wet leaves) and trees seriously
attenuate the signal. I'm guessing these frequencies are low enough to punch
through those kinds of problems.
All that being said, it would be interesting to see a Smith chart for your antenna
mounted in your plane, but that's waaaaaay beyond the scope of normal aircraft
construction.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
>Sent: Sep 3, 2010 2:13 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: antenna
>
>The groundplane does not have to be solid. Mine is an
>aluminum mesh acquired from an art supply house.
>
>I've added this antenna article also.
>
>My understanding is that you don't have to ground the
>groundplane to anything else. It IS the " ground " . The
>coax from the radio is attached to the groundplane.
>
>The only concern I have with mine is how it will be
>affected by the control cabling when I finaly get the
>thing in the air.
>
>Clif
>
>
>>
>>
>> This is good information. I like the idea of an internal ground plane
>> sheet even if it isn't too big. I am guessing it needs to be grounded to
>> the negative battery terminal since it's mounted in a wood fuselage? or
>> maybe only the radio grounding from the antenna coax? probably wouldn't
>> matter for the ELT but might with a radio antenna as far as interference.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart |
That is exactly my plan. (I should have been more specific.) I want to use Stewart's
to install the fabric, then paint with Glidden Exterior latex. The Stewart's
varnish is quite expensive...I was curious about a local bought spar varnish
or other urethane/polyurethane.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts |
| From: | "Kelly Klaus" <kklaus1(at)austin.rr.com> |
I would also like to purchase 2 XL shirts as well, outstanding design!
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart |
Dad's-is Ceco-bond ans Minwax spar varnish throughout.- If the glue is
water based I would just use spar varnish, the outdoor stuff of course.
-
Shad
--- On Fri, 9/3/10, Michael Perez wrote:
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart
Date: Friday, September 3, 2010, 10:08 AM
That is exactly my plan. (I should have been more specific.) I want to use
Stewart's to install the fabric, then paint with Glidden Exterior latex. Th
e Stewart's varnish is quite expensive...I was curious about a local bought
spar varnish or other urethane/polyurethane.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Same here, just used exterior spar varnish (2 coats) on the wood and the
EcoBond sticks the fabric right to it without dissolving anything like
PolyTak would. Then used the 'Bell' method with the finish coats: a
cross-coat of exterior latex primer in the bare fabric and two cross coats
of satin exterior latex (except I used Sherwin-Williams Superpaint) using 3"
foam brushes (although it could easily be sprayed on as well, I test sprayed
a couple test panels which came out very nice).
rick
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 8:48 AM, shad bell wrote:
> Dad's is Ceco-bond ans Minwax spar varnish throughout. If the glue is
> water based I would just use spar varnish, the outdoor stuff of course.
>
> Shad
>
> --- On *Fri, 9/3/10, Michael Perez * wrote:
>
>
> From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart
>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Friday, September 3, 2010, 10:08 AM
>
> That is exactly my plan. (I should have been more specific.) I want to
> use Stewart's to install the fabric, then paint with Glidden Exterior latex.
> The Stewart's varnish is quite expensive...I was curious about a local
> bought spar varnish or other urethane/polyurethane.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
Actually Gary, I did not grow up around airplanes.- Dad stopped flying a
couple years before I was born.- I always knew he was a pilot, but did no
t even get an airplane ride untill I was about12 or 13 yrs old, in one of d
ad's friend's Debonair.- We built and flew R/C airplanes for years.- Wh
en I was a senior in high school I started my flying lessons.- After I go
t my private I took Dad flying and he was hooked again.- About a year of
renting spam cans and he decided to build the Pietenpol.- Now at 32, and
now a father of 2,-I still can't believe I have a hanger and runway in my
back yard.- I am looking forward to flying with my boys some day, and I
hope they share the "desease" of aviation.- My biggest fears now are that
I am going to come home from work one day and the airplane is going to be
at the other- end of the runway.- I am sure they will both say "I don't
know how it got there".
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Question for Westcoast Piet builders and flyers |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Hi Mike,
Here goes from my memory,
I (Scott Liefeld) base mine at Fox Field. Next to Edwards AFB. You should know
where that is since you work for NASA.
Joanne Painter has a flying Piet with a A-80 and is at Mojave Airport.
My dad (Sparky Sparks) is based at Gillespie Field in San Diego. GN-1.
John Kerr is based at Gillespie Field in San Diego. GN-1.
There is a flying one at Brown Field in San Diego.
There is a Flying GN-1 Lycoming powered at Lake Wolford near San Diego.
Mike Madrid is at Lompoc just north of Santa Barbra.
We have a non-flying Piet in the Muesum at Fox Field.
French Valley EAA chapter has the Project you saw at Brodhead.
Dan Rienhert has a Piet project nearly complete at Cable airport that is for sale.
With a model B, See barnstormers. Jay Cotting's old project.
Tom Lawthers has a project. He is a tower controller at Fox Field.
EAA chapter 1 at Flabob has a project.
Now my brain hurts. There could be 1 or 2 more I don't remember at the moment.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Broadhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Just a quick note about my experience with Spar Varnish, After flying mine for
28 years I rebuilt it. I found that I had a very small gas leak in my fuel tank
that is in my center section. The gas penetrated the spar varnish and I had
to replace about 80% of my center section. When I rebuilt it I used epoxy
varnish from Poly Fiber. I hope it doesn't happen again.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
August 29, 2010 - September 03, 2010
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