Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-jv
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Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Tue, 11/23/10, integritywood wrote:
| From: | integritywood <kim.integrity(at)gmail.com> |
com>
Hi all
First the intro before the questions and off the wall comments. 25 years or
so ago, as a kid, I dreamed of building and flying my own plane. Looking b
ack it likely would have been built of 2x6 and 3/8 inch plywood, weighed in
at 3500 lbs empty, and been powered by a snowmobile engine. Oh the optimis
m of youth! Then came real life, having a family making a living, etc...-
But the dream of flight stayed nestled quietly in the back of my mind, fan
ned once in a while with a ride or even just watching a small plane fly by.
A year and a half or so ago the ember started glowing brighter again and w
ith a little encouragement burst into a flaming desire I can't seem to exti
nguish (okay I'm not trying very hard).
with a little research on the web I found building my own plane wasn't so o
ff the wall (although with a slightly modified materials list). Then I foun
d the Pietenpol. Ever since I first saw her I want her so bad I can taste i
t. Ive lurked here daily in the last year trying to learn all I could about
her but to shy to speak up till I could say Ive started building. Well Ive
started. Finished my rib jig yest and started cutting pieces, What a feeli
ng. My wife is doing very well with it considering small planes scare her.
I tell her many Piets take 10 or more years to complete so she doesn't have
to worry for a while [Wink]- Anyhow, thanks Cliff for your kindly reply
to my email the other day and Michael for your hint video's.
See you around
Kim(ball)
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"She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that 10
years from now the design will be pretty warm still."- B. H. Pietenp
ol
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| Subject: | Re: Salt Lake City Piet |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Pieti,if denver is on your way home,give a holler.Dave
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | latex aplication (paint, not the other things) |
Charles, it is pretty easy to apply house paint (you have probably done it
a 100 times).- The technique Dad and I used is to use a 3inch foam brush
and apply all coats 90 degrees from the previous coat.- We used Sears Wea
therbeater Plus, with Flotrol (a flowing agent) mixed in with the paint.-
I believe the best way to mix in the flotrol is mix it in the qt cup you a
re using and dipping the brush in (don't mix it in with the whole gallon al
l at once, just my oppinion here).- We just used white as an undercoat, s
ome say you have to use black, so it will block out the UV rays, do as you
wish.- The 1st thing you need to buy, if you decide to commit and use lat
ex, is a good pair of ear plugs so you don't have to listen to all th B.S.
people will try to force feed you.- Some will say it's a great idea, othe
rs will tell you your paint is going to come off in flight, the fabric will
follow and you will be a 1929 lawn dart.- If I ever let the paint get
that bad, the fabric that rotten, that I didn't notice it on a preflight
-I guess I deserve to gravity plant a Corvair Spruce tree.- It Ain't th
e Space Shuttle (Mike Cuy can verify that, he works for NASA).- In closin
g, I think that poly fiber IS a better looking finish, Poly Fiber probably
WILL last longer, and it-WILL cost you more.- You can probably eaisly c
over and paint your piet twice with the Eco-bond, and latex, compared to us
ing the complete Poly Fiber system.-The other good bennifit to using wate
rbased adheasive and latex, is no toxic chemicals, fumes or clean-up.-The
choice is Yours choose wisely.
-
"Views-and oppinions-expressed in this e-mail are the sole oppinions of
Shad Bell, and in no way reflect the views of the pietenpol list."
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| Subject: | Re: Salt Lake City Piet |
Dave
Where in Denver? I'm in SE Denver and slowly working on a Piet...
Cheers
Jonathan A.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dangerous Dave <dsornbor(at)aol.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 24, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Salt Lake City Piet
Pieti,if denver is on your way home,give a holler.Dave
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: latex aplication (paint, not the other things) |
I just finished painting my fuselage using Behr latex paint. Check out my w
eb site for details. Click on Pietenpol
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/
Malcolm Morrison
Pietenpol Air Camper
Kolb MKII (for sale)
ASW-15
----- Original Message -----
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:36:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex aplication (paint, not the other things)
Charles, it is pretty easy to apply house paint (you have probably done it
a 100 times). The technique Dad and I used is to use a 3inch foam brush and
apply all coats 90 degrees from the previous coat. We used Sears Weatherbe
ater Plus, with Flotrol (a flowing agent) mixed in with the paint. I believ
e the best way to mix in the flotrol is mix it in the qt cup you are using
and dipping the brush in (don't mix it in with the whole gallon all at once
, just my oppinion here). We just used white as an undercoat, some say you
have to use black, so it will block out the UV rays, do as you wish. The 1s
t thing you need to buy, if you decide to commit and use latex, is a good p
air of ear plugs so you don't have to listen to all th B.S. people will try
to force feed you. Some will say it's a great idea, others will tell you y
our paint is going to come off in flight, the fabric will follow and you wi
ll be a 1929 lawn dart. If I ever let the paint get that bad, the fabric th
at rotten, that I didn't notice it on a preflight I guess I deserve to grav
ity plant a Corvair Spruce tree. It Ain't the Space Shuttle (Mike Cuy can v
erify that, he works for NASA). In closing, I think that poly fiber IS a be
tter looking finish, Poly Fiber probably WILL last longer, and it WILL cost
you more. You can probably eaisly cover and paint your piet twice with the
Eco-bond, and latex, compared to using the complete Poly Fiber system. The
other good bennifit to using waterbased adheasive and latex, is no toxic c
hemicals, fumes or clean-up. The choice is Yours choose wisely.
"Views and oppinions expressed in this e-mail are the sole oppinions of Sha
d Bell, and in no way reflect the views of the pietenpol list."
Shad
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: latex aplication (paint, not the other things) |
Shad,
-
Your post is soild and agree with what you had to say! No issues form me an
d frankly, I have seen many extremely nice latex painted planes throughout
the years. The only thing I can add is I think all paint comes from two man
ufacturer's in the country. So, not sure if the best is any different than
the worst as not sure what is added to separate them form each other.... ot
her than a label.
-
My 2Cents worth.
-
Ken Heide-
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--- On Wed, 11/24/10, gliderx5(at)comcast.net wrote:
From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net <gliderx5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex aplication (paint, not the other things)
Date: Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 10:17 PM
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I just finished painting my fuselage using Behr latex paint.- Check out m
y web site for details.- Click on Pietenpol
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/
Malcolm Morrison
Pietenpol Air Camper
Kolb MKII (for sale)
ASW-15
----- Original Message -----
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:36:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex aplication (paint, not the other things)
Charles, it is pretty easy to apply house paint (you have probably done it
a 100 times).- The technique Dad and I used is to use a 3inch foam brush
and apply all coats 90 degrees from the previous coat.- We used Sears Wea
therbeater Plus, with Flotrol (a flowing agent) mixed in with the paint.-
I believe the best way to mix in the flotrol is mix it in the qt cup you a
re using and dipping the brush in (don't mix it in with the whole gallon al
l at once, just my oppinion here).- We just used white as an undercoat, s
ome say you have to use black, so it will block out the UV rays, do as you
wish.- The 1st thing you need to buy, if you decide to commit and use lat
ex, is a good pair of ear plugs so you don't have to listen to all th B.S.
people will try to force feed you.- Some will say it's a great idea, othe
rs will tell you your paint is going to come off in flight, the fabric will
follow and you will be a 1929 lawn dart.- If I ever let the paint get
that bad, the fabric that rotten, that I didn't notice it on a preflight
-I guess I deserve to gravity plant a Corvair Spruce tree.- It Ain't th
e Space Shuttle (Mike Cuy can verify that, he works for NASA).- In closin
g, I think that poly fiber IS a better looking finish, Poly Fiber probably
WILL last longer, and it-WILL cost you more.- You can probably eaisly c
over and paint your piet twice with the Eco-bond, and latex, compared to us
ing the complete Poly Fiber system.-The other good bennifit to using wate
rbased adheasive and latex, is no toxic chemicals, fumes or clean-up.-The
choice is Yours choose wisely.
-
"Views-and oppinions-expressed in this e-mail are the sole oppinions of
Shad Bell, and in no way reflect the views of the pietenpol list."
-
Shad
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| Subject: | Model A Ford Engine Mount Dimension |
| From: | "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net> |
Does anyone have the distance between the Model A crankshaft centerline and the
top of the engine bearer? (see attached sketch) I believe this is basically the
thickness of the oil pan flange and the leather padding used between it and
the engine bearer. Is this correct?
Thanks Craig
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| Subject: | Re: latex aplication (paint, not the other things) |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
I will be using latex (white undercoat) and 3m Fastbond (instead of Eco-bond) I
am 90% sure that the Fastbond is the same thing but less expensive. I have a
friend that is covering with the complete Stewart system and we are going to
do some experimenting and comparison.
BTW If anyone is interested in spraying latex, I purchased a turbine HVLP sprayer
from Harbor Freight for $70. When it came I thought it was just a toy. Sounds
like a shop vac. I am quite impressed, however with the results. I painted
my house with it this fall and it worked great on large flat areas. I am
not an expert painter, but I found it had good control and used about 30 to 40%
less paint. I may try it on the final coats on the Piet.
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: Model A Ford Engine Mount Dimension |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Craig,
Wish I had my engine back from Antique Engine Rebuilders in Skokie, IL. I c
ould have walked out to the hangar and measured for you. Why do you need to
know this? Building cowls?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mr. Craig <acwelder(at)cableone.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 24, 2010 11:08 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A Ford Engine Mount Dimension
Does anyone have the distance between the Model A crankshaft centerline and
the
op of the engine bearer? (see attached sketch) I believe this is basically
the
hickness of the oil pan flange and the leather padding used between it and
the
ngine bearer. Is this correct?
Thanks Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Model A Ford Engine Mount Dimension |
| From: | "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net> |
helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Craig,
>
> Building cowls?
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
Yep. Trying to 3D model it in CAD and then extract a accurate sheet metal pattern.
Thanks Craig
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| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: latex aplication (paint, not the other things) |
Hi Malcolm,
The Piet looks great in Behr paint, and good information on how you
applied it. I've only used it for its 'official' usage, but it's tough
stuff, should last well. If the lady on the left side side of the
picture is your boss, then we both have beautiful red headed Beths for
spouses. Can't say much about the three rouges in the background though
- arggh!
KIp Gardner
On Nov 24, 2010, at 11:17 PM, gliderx5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> I just finished painting my fuselage using Behr latex paint. Check
out my web site for details. Click on Pietenpol
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/
>
> Malcolm Morrison
> Pietenpol Air Camper
> Kolb MKII (for sale)
> ASW-15
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:36:12 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex aplication (paint, not the other
things)
>
> Charles, it is pretty easy to apply house paint (you have probably
done it a 100 times). The technique Dad and I used is to use a 3inch
foam brush and apply all coats 90 degrees from the previous coat. We
used Sears Weatherbeater Plus, with Flotrol (a flowing agent) mixed in
with the paint. I believe the best way to mix in the flotrol is mix it
in the qt cup you are using and dipping the brush in (don't mix it in
with the whole gallon all at once, just my oppinion here). We just used
white as an undercoat, some say you have to use black, so it will block
out the UV rays, do as you wish. The 1st thing you need to buy, if you
decide to commit and use latex, is a good pair of ear plugs so you don't
have to listen to all th B.S. people will try to force feed you. Some
will say it's a great idea, others will tell you your paint is going to
come off in flight, the fabric will follow and you will be a 1929 lawn
dart. If I ever let the paint get that bad, the fabric that rotten,
that I didn't notice it on a preflight I guess I deserve to gravity
plant a Corvair Spruce tree. It Ain't the Space Shuttle (Mike Cuy can
verify that, he works for NASA). In closing, I think that poly fiber IS
a better looking finish, Poly Fiber probably WILL last longer, and it
WILL cost you more. You can probably eaisly cover and paint your piet
twice with the Eco-bond, and latex, compared to using the complete Poly
Fiber system. The other good bennifit to using waterbased adheasive and
latex, is no toxic chemicals, fumes or clean-up. The choice is Yours
choose wisely.
>
> "Views and oppinions expressed in this e-mail are the sole oppinions
of Shad Bell, and in no way reflect the views of the pietenpol list."
>
> Shad
>
>
>
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: latex aplication (paint, not the other things) |
I used the Behr paint on my fuselage, and it turned out a lot glossier
than the Sherwin Williams I used on the wings and horiz. stab. It was
at least 10 dollars a gallon cheaper too. Home Depot has it ready mixed
in a real nice red.
Ben Charvet
60 hours, and no paint has peeled off in flight.
On 11/24/2010 11:17 PM, gliderx5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> I just finished painting my fuselage using Behr latex paint. Check
> out my web site for details. Click on Pietenpol
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/
> <http://home.comcast.net/%7Emmorrison123/>
>
> Malcolm Morrison
> Pietenpol Air Camper
> Kolb MKII (for sale)
> ASW-15
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:36:12 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex aplication (paint, not the other things)
>
> Charles, it is pretty easy to apply house paint (you have probably
> done it a 100 times). The technique Dad and I used is to use a 3inch
> foam brush and apply all coats 90 degrees from the previous coat. We
> used Sears Weatherbeater Plus, with Flotrol (a flowing agent) mixed in
> with the paint. I believe the best way to mix in the flotrol is mix
> it in the qt cup you are using and dipping the brush in (don't mix it
> in with the whole gallon all at once, just my oppinion here). We just
> used white as an undercoat, some say you have to use black, so it will
> block out the UV rays, do as you wish. The 1st thing you need to buy,
> if you decide to commit and use latex, is a good pair of ear plugs so
> you don't have to listen to all th B.S. people will try to force feed
> you. Some will say it's a great idea, others will tell you your paint
> is going to come off in flight, the fabric will follow and you will be
> a 1929 lawn dart. If I ever let the paint get that bad, the fabric
> that rotten, that I didn't notice it on a preflight I guess I deserve
> to gravity plant a Corvair Spruce tree. It Ain't the Space Shuttle
> (Mike Cuy can verify that, he works for NASA). In closing, I think
> that poly fiber IS a better looking finish, Poly Fiber probably WILL
> last longer, and it WILL cost you more. You can probably eaisly cover
> and paint your piet twice with the Eco-bond, and latex, compared to
> using the complete Poly Fiber system. The other good bennifit to using
> waterbased adheasive and latex, is no toxic chemicals, fumes or
> clean-up. The choice is Yours choose wisely.
> "Views and oppinions expressed in this e-mail are the sole oppinions
> of Shad Bell, and in no way reflect the views of the pietenpol list."
> Shad
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Sides |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Hi Craig,
As you said, I built the wooden fuselage, but I just took a look through the FGM
reprint, and in the article, it says to
"... tack weld each of the sides together. Then turn them bottom side up, and with
the top longerons on the floor over the top view, tack in the cross members
for the top."
Sure sounds like the same method as used for the wooden fuselage.
But then, I don't know whether that would be the "preferred" method, by today's
standards.
Bill C.
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| From: | "at7000ft" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
[quote="cncampbell(at)windstream."]In the military anytime a new guy comes on the
scene he is called a Newby. That's me. Name is Chuck Campbell. Dan Helsper
led me to this list. I have been building an AirCamper since last May.
Have all the ribs done, the tail surfaces done except for varnishing and covering/painting.
Fuselage is about half done. Have the wood for the wing spars.
Just need to rip them to the proper width. Am getting ready to installl
the controls in the fuselage. As soon as that is complete I can put on the
plywood sides, seats, turtle-back etc. I have just about all the metal pieces
ready to go. Dan has been helping me by showing me how to get to the Stewart
glue videos. I want some info from some of you guys (like Shad Bell and Rick
Holland) who used house paint. I don't have access to a paint booth to
use the Stewart paint system. All I have is a couple of paint brushes. Any
word of advice from any of you would be appreciated. I've been flying about
all of my adult life but am plowing new ground building this Piet.
> [b]
Howdy Chuck
Sounds like you are doing great. As far as cover and paint goes I used lightweight
uncertified fabric glued down with Stewart Ecobond (best to use the stuff
above 60 degrees which ain't easy this time of year), very easy to use and no
toxic vapors. Then I painted using the Bell Latex method, a cross coat of latex
primer (I think Shad may have done 2) followed by 2 cross coats of exterior
Satin latex (Sherwin Williams Super Paint in my case).
I experimented a bit with thinning and ended up adding 10% distilled water and
10% Floetrol by weight if brushing (used 3" foam brushes). And if you have a sprayer
and compressor it makes the job even easier. I sprayed my tail pieces but
had to thin quit a bit more, I added 25% water and 10% Floetrol using a cheap
Lowes HVLP sprayer.
Attached a picture, keep up the good work.
rick
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| Subject: | Re: latex aplication (paint, not the other things) |
| From: | "at7000ft" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
For some objective latex durability results. My latex test panel is still looking
great after 6 years on a fencepost outside 365 days a year facing true South
at 6700 feet altitude in Colorado (lots of UV and direct sun). Just 2 cross
coats of Sherwin Williams Gloss Latex Super Paint. Tested with a punch tester
2 years ago and couldn't go through on one side and punched through at nearly
the max tester reading on the other.
Figure if you hanger your Piet and fly 100 hours a year it would take you (365
* 24 * 6)/100 = 525.6 years to get your cover/paint job to the same state as this
test panel.
rick
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Rick Holland
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Rick,
Same process on the aluminum?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(22 ribs down.)
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[quote="cncampbell(at)windstream."]In the military anytime a new guy comes
on the scene he is called a Newby. That's me. Name is Chuck Campbell.
Dan Helsper led me to this list. I have been building an AirCamper since
last May. Have all the ribs done, the tail surfaces done except for
varnishing and covering/painting. Fuselage is about half done. Have the
wood for the wing spars. Just need to rip them to the proper width. Am
getting ready to installl the controls in the fuselage. As soon as that is
complete I can put on the plywood sides, seats, turtle-back etc. I have
just about all the metal pieces ready to go. Dan has been helping me by
showing me how to get to the Stewart glue videos. I want some info from
some of you guys (like Shad Bell and Rick Holland) who used house paint. I
don't have access to a paint booth to use the Stewart paint system. All I
have is a couple of paint brushes. Any word of advice from any of you
would be appreciated.!
I've been flying about all of my adult life but am plowing new ground
building this Piet.
> [b]
Howdy Chuck
Sounds like you are doing great. As far as cover and paint goes I used
lightweight uncertified fabric glued down with Stewart Ecobond (best to use
the stuff above 60 degrees which ain't easy this time of year), very easy to
use and no toxic vapors. Then I painted using the Bell Latex method, a cross
coat of latex primer (I think Shad may have done 2) followed by 2 cross
coats of exterior Satin latex (Sherwin Williams Super Paint in my case).
I experimented a bit with thinning and ended up adding 10% distilled water
and 10% Floetrol by weight if brushing (used 3" foam brushes). And if you
have a sprayer and compressor it makes the job even easier. I sprayed my
tail pieces but had to thin quit a bit more, I added 25% water and 10%
Floetrol using a cheap Lowes HVLP sprayer.
Attached a picture, keep up the good work.
rick
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| Subject: | Re: Salt Lake City Piet |
| From: | "at7000ft" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
dog67(at)aol.com wrote:
> Dave Where in Denver? I'm in SE Denver and slowly working on a Piet...
> Cheers
> Jonathan A.
>
>
>
>
> --
Jonathan - Am in Castle Rock if you want to come by some time and talk Piets (I'll
show you mine if you'll show me yours ?:). Maybe we can get Dave to come down
from Idaho Springs and make it a 3-some.
rick
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: latex aplication (paint, not the other things) |
Rick,
Did you paint the aluminum the same way?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(22 ribs down.)
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Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 11:47 AM
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For some objective latex durability results. My latex test panel is still
looking great after 6 years on a fencepost outside 365 days a year facing
true South at 6700 feet altitude in Colorado (lots of UV and direct sun).
Just 2 cross coats of Sherwin Williams Gloss Latex Super Paint. Tested with
a punch tester 2 years ago and couldn't go through on one side and punched
through at nearly the max tester reading on the other.
Figure if you hanger your Piet and fly 100 hours a year it would take you
(365 * 24 * 6)/100 = 525.6 years to get your cover/paint job to the same
state as this test panel.
rick
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Sides |
| From: | "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net> |
Hi Bill
Building the sides and then trying to bend each in symmetrically is a real pain
with a tube frame. Upper and lower longerons flex in different locations. The
placement of tack weld is usually not perfectly symmetrical and the tack weld
tend to crack when you start flexing the longerons. It is they way it was done
for years and is still done that way, but there is a better way in my opinion.
It is much easier to build the bottom and top symmetrically. Fixture them in
place with the upper and lower cross members parallel to each other. Then add
the vertical members. All tack welds are done with everything fixtured in place
and there is no flexing of anything AFTER tacking that will break a tack weld.
The book I referenced above is EXCELLENT in detailing how to build a steel
tube fuselage using this method. Nothing wrong with the old way, it is just
harder to get a square, symmetrical fuselage with that method.
As this seems to be a rare path when building a Air Camper, I'm going to try and
document every step so that others can see it as a build option that can be
accomplished by the average craftsman.
FYI - To anyone building a steel tube Pietenpol Air Camper fuselage. The one shown
in the 1932 FGM is way different than the 1934 "Improved" wood fuselage in
external size and shape. It doesn't show engine mounting and the cowling for
the wood version is too big for the steel version shown. Upper front cross member
is in wrong location for Model A Ford motor and magneto. I'll have drawings
of the 1934 "Improved" size steel fuselage, with the 1932 structure and Model
A Ford installation if anyone wants to build the later version also a big and
tall version. Just shoot me an email.
Craig
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| From: | RBush96589(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: latex aplication (paint, not the other things) |
Rick your plane is looking great. are you going to be able to fly it to
Brodhead this year?
do not archive
Randy Bush
NX294RB
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| From: | "at7000ft" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Rick,
>
> Same process on the aluminum?
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (22 ribs down.)
>
> --
Yup. Except the aluminum is etched first.
rick
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| Subject: | Re: latex aplication (paint, not the other things) |
| From: | "at7000ft" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
[quote="RBush96589(at)aol.com"]Rick your plane is looking great. are you going
to be able to fly it to Brodhead this year?
do not archive
Randy Bush
NX294RB
> [b]
Thanks Randy, I guess the only things standing between me and flying to Broadhead
is covering and painting two wings, flying off 40 hours, and getting the cahones
to do an 820 mile cross country from Denver.
rick
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| Subject: | N13691 Question Thread |
| From: | "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net> |
I'm wanting my build to have the same appearance as Allen Rudolf's N13691 Air Camper.
I have lots of questions concerning various aspects of this aircraft.
Has anyone here taken measurements of this aircraft? If so, is the distance from
firewall to center of front cabane strut bolt 12 1/2" or 14 1/2"? Or something
else?
Is wing built according to the 1932 FGM dimensions or of the 1934 "Improved" Air
Camper?
Does it have the 1932 square horizontal stabilizer or the later one that is narrower
in the front?
Does anyone have any pictures of it with the cowl off? Or close up pictures of
the magneto mount and radiator mount area?
More questions later. :D
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Ben, I need to go by Home Depot today or tomorrow and thought I would
check out the paint. Any particular TYPE I should look for or just
latex primer and exterior paint?
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
the one I bought had a test panel on the shelf. It was a real nice red,
and the test panel had a nice gloss to it. I think it was around $27.
Unfortunately the can is out at my hangar. I only used less than one
gallon for my fuselage and vertical stab, sprayed with an HVLP gun. I
used some flat Sherwin Williams gray for a base coat to fill the fabric,
2 coats brushed in opposite directions
Ben
On 11/26/2010 9:59 AM, Charles Campbell wrote:
> Ben, I need to go by Home Depot today or tomorrow and thought I would
> check out the paint. Any particular TYPE I should look for or just
> latex primer and exterior paint?
> *
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: N13691 Question Thread |
| From: | "Baldeagle" <baldeagle27(at)earthlink.net> |
Can't answer all those, but here's a photo of it under a shade tree in Indiana
after we pulled the engine to fix a cracked magneto mount, July 2009
No detail, but a photo of it the next day in a bean field in Illinois with a broken
crankshaft...
And Jack McCarthy's old engine going in July 2010
Others here can probably answer the questions, or you might have to get a hold
of Frank Pavliga for measurements.
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| Subject: | Re: N13691 Question Thread |
| From: | "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
I might have the measurement he's looking for from the Piet W&B data we collected
at Brodhead this year. Travelling to visit family at the moment, I'll check
later.
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Sent: Nov 26, 2010 10:17 AM
Can't answer all those, but here's a photo of it under a shade tree in Indiana
after we pulled the engine to fix a cracked magneto mount, July 2009
No detail, but a photo of it the next day in a bean field in Illinois with a broken
crankshaft...
And Jack McCarthy's old engine going in July 2010
Others here can probably answer the questions, or you might have to get a hold
of Frank Pavliga for measurements.
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| From: | "at7000ft" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
[quote="cncampbell(at)windstream."]Ben, I need to go by Home Depot today or tomorrow
and thought I would check out the paint. Any particular TYPE I should
look for or just latex primer and exterior paint?
> [b]
Will need to decide if you want your finish coat flat, stain, semi-gloss, gloss,
or high gloss and yes you want exterior. I used Satin to get a vintage dope
finish look. Also most manufacturers have 4 or 5 quality levels from cheap to
expensive, I went with one level below the expensive stuff. Its easy to fork over
$100 for a couple gallons of paint when you think about the $2500 you are
saving over a full PolyFiber job.
rick
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| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Howdy,Hope everyone had a good turkey day.Heres some pics of where I am at now.Dave
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Dave's Pietenpol progress photos |
Your plane is looking really good Dave, thank you for sharing those photos. It
looks as though you might be able
to begin varnishing and fabric coming in 2011 even which his really commendable
and you've stuck with the project
quite a long, long way. You even look the part of a 1930's pilot with your beard,
helmet, goggles, and the Stroh's
brew can sitting far off in the background on one of your work tables. Good
man.
Great to see another Pietenpol getting birthed out of another quiet workshop where
these amazing little fun wood, metal,
and fabric planes are manufactured one by one all across this country and elsewhere
around the world.
You're doing a great job.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: More progress |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Dave,
Very nice work. Very exciting time for you as it all comes together.....fin
ally. Looks like you are on track for Brodhead '11. See you there?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Howdy,Hope everyone had a good turkey day.Heres some pics of where I am at
ow.Dave
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| Subject: | Re: More progress |
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Thanks guys,figuring buy the first she'll be ready to cover.2011 that is.Trying
to have the plane complete for a final weight and balance so I only have to make
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| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Piet progress pix |
Well, the Piet fuselage is more or less finished and moved to the strip
where it'll make its first flights. The wings are in the paint booth and
should be done in a couple of weeks. Of course, the weather just turned, 29
degrees and 40 mph gusts today. Sure wish I could roll back the calendar a
couple of months, weather-wise. But 629ML should be ready to fly to Brodhead in
2011.
Matt Paxton
Fairfield, VA
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet progress pix |
Wow Matt, it's beautiful! That's one of my favorite color combinations.
Very nice...these kinds of notes/pics sure do help "the rest of us" keep our dream
alive.
Congrats!
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Well, the Piet fuselage is more or less finished and moved to the strip
where it'll make its first flights. The wings are in the paint booth and should
be done in a couple of weeks. Of course, the weather just turned, 29 degrees and
40 mph gusts today. Sure wish I could roll back the calendar a couple of months,
weather-wise. But 629ML should be ready to fly to Brodhead in 2011.
Matt Paxton
Fairfield, VA
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| Subject: | Re: Piet progress pix |
| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
Yeah, someday we'll have to have a an exclusive blue/orange section at Brodhead.
Mine's going to be that scheme too, similar to Shad's.
Kip Gardner
On Nov 27, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Jim Markle wrote:
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> Wow Matt, it's beautiful! That's one of my favorite color combinations.
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> Very nice...these kinds of notes/pics sure do help "the rest of us" keep our
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> Congrats!
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> Sent: Nov 27, 2010 8:37 AM
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress pix
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>
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>
> Well, the Piet fuselage is more or less finished and moved to the strip
> where it'll make its first flights. The wings are in the paint booth and should
> be done in a couple of weeks. Of course, the weather just turned, 29 degrees
and
> 40 mph gusts today. Sure wish I could roll back the calendar a couple of months,
> weather-wise. But 629ML should be ready to fly to Brodhead in 2011.
>
> Matt Paxton
> Fairfield, VA
>
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Beautiful Matt!!! But you forgot to build your elevators..
Jack
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Well, the Piet fuselage is more or less finished and moved to the strip
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degrees and 40 mph gusts today. Sure wish I could roll back the calendar a
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Matt Paxton
Fairfield, VA
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| Subject: | Re: N13691 Question Thread |
| From: | "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net> |
Thanks guys. The pictures are excellent Baldeagle.
Does anyone have contact info for Frank Pavliga?
Is N13691 hangered at Brodhead or Frank's location?
Thanks Craig
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| Subject: | Re: N13691 Question Thread |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
We took a measurement labeled "Front Bay", and if I recall correctly that
was measured from firewall to front cabane strut fitting: it came out to 14"
for N13691.
Ryan
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> Thanks guys. The pictures are excellent Baldeagle.
>
> Does anyone have contact info for Frank Pavliga?
>
> Is N13691 hangered at Brodhead or Frank's location?
>
> Thanks Craig
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Does anyone know if WW ever posted the results of the aircraft weighings at
Brodhead?
Dan Helsper
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for N13691.
Ryan
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| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Hllo
What about the little dhyedral I saw in some piets?
How affect the stability and performance?, it is good, it is bad...
thank you.
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| From: | Harvey Rule <harvey.rule(at)bell.net> |
Dhyedral always gives more stability unless its anhyedral which they use in
fighter planes.
Watch pigeons fly=2Cthey use dhyedral like crazy.
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Dan, the latest I know of was in the Oct issue of BPAN. It stated that
WW would create a series of articles for BPAN covering the results of
the measurements. Chuck
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
How about solid red with white sunburst on wing and tail? Where would
you park it?
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| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress pix
Beautiful Matt!!! But you forgot to build your elevators..
Jack
DSM
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Naa, I just left them off for the ride. Didn't want them flapping around in
the slipstream behind the pickup. They're installed now, but I did find
that the addition of fabric brought the upper elevator cables in contact with
the stabilizer, even with tension on them. I'll need leather pads for sure
but considering a small ash sheave on either side attached to the front of
the stabilizer.
Hope to start laying out the 2 foot NX-numbers on the bottom of the left
wing today.
Matt
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: N13691 Question Thread |
I believe the weighing results are coming in the next newsletter.
I'm curious to hear what others think about the weights of their
aircraft. NX18235 tipped the scales about 30 - 40 lbs more than I
expected.
Greg C.
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: N13691 Question Thread
Does anyone know if WW ever posted the results of the aircraft
weighings at Brodhead?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2010 8:50 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: N13691 Question Thread
We took a measurement labeled "Front Bay", and if I recall correctly
that was measured from firewall to front cabane strut fitting: it came
out to 14" for N13691.
Ryan
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Mr. Craig
wrote:
Thanks guys. The pictures are excellent Baldeagle.
Does anyone have contact info for Frank Pavliga?
Is N13691 hangered at Brodhead or Frank's location?
Thanks Craig
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Simulator for piet |
Does anyone have a Piet simulator add on for Microsoft Flight Sim X?
If so what "Stick" do you use? Is there a fix to make it more Piet like. you know
like tape a broomstick to the Joystick.
Blue Skies
Steve
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Right next to Chuck Gantzer's N77CG
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 8:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Colors
How about solid red with white sunburst on wing and tail? Where would you
park it?
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| Subject: | Re: N13691 Question Thread |
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Piet progress pix |
Great to see it progressing, Matt! Where will you base it? I'll have to
come by to see it next time we're up at Smith Mountain Lake.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Woodflier(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 9:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress pix
Well, the Piet fuselage is more or less finished and moved to the strip
where it'll make its first flights. The wings are in the paint booth and
should be done in a couple of weeks. Of course, the weather just turned, 29
degrees and 40 mph gusts today. Sure wish I could roll back the calendar a
couple of months, weather-wise. But 629ML should be ready to fly to Brodhead
in 2011.
Matt Paxton
Fairfield, VA
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Simulator for piet |
I've seen (and flown) one for I think Microsoft Flight Simulator, but it
didn't feel much like the real thing. To get any realism, you would need to
set the joystick on the floor and tape a broomstick to it, have rudder
pedals, have ineffective brakes (if simulating a wire wheel version), and
make the ailerons much less sensitive than the elevators.
Whenever I get out of my RV-4 and climb into the Pietenpol, on takeoff my
first thought is that something in the controls is broken because the
control movements are so large with so little happening.
Flight simulators might work OK for a plane like an airliner that is flown
pretty much by the numbers. I don't think they can do much to simulate a
plane like a Pietenpol that is flown by the seat of the pants.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 8:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Simulator for piet
Does anyone have a Piet simulator add on for Microsoft Flight Sim X?
If so what "Stick" do you use? Is there a fix to make it more Piet like. you
know like tape a broomstick to the Joystick.
Blue Skies
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Cleaning the shop |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Awesome John... glad you are having some fun. Hope you have a productive buildapalooza
season. I need to make some hay myself. I got my tubing order in...
now I face a whole new set of challenges.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Simulator for piet |
I can't answer your question directly, but I have flown the Piet. in FS10. I use
a complete HOTAS set-up when I fly ACM on the computer, but as mentioned, you
would need to mount the stick on the floor and add a long handle of some sort.
Still, for those of us who want to fly during the winter months, or fly the
Piet. at places we would never get the chance, FS10 and and modified stick may
be cool.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Simulator for piet |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
I have found MS Flight Sim Piet models before, and they are kind of neat to
fly. I have limited flight time in my Piet, but I feel safe in saying that
while kind of neat, computer flight sim models have little to no relation to
flying a real world Piet.
Even if the flight model is accurate, you are missing the wind, noise,
vibration, smell, and feeling of actually flying a Pietenpol. Since the Piet
is not really a fly-by-the-numbers airplane there really is no corollary on
the computer that can feel anything like flying a Piet (IMO).
Ryan
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
> I can't answer your question directly, but I have flown the Piet. in FS10.
> I use a complete HOTAS set-up when I fly ACM on the computer, but as
> mentioned, you would need to mount the stick on the floor and add a long
> handle of some sort. Still, for those of us who want to fly during the
> winter months, or fly the Piet. at places we would never get the chance,
> FS10 and and modified stick may be cool.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Hey Chuck, can I park next to you? Mine is Caliente Red Fuse and creame win
gs. =0AGardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jack
Phillips =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASen
t: Sun, November 28, 2010 11:11:14 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Colors
=0A=0A =0ARight next to Chuck Gantzer=99s N77CG=0A =0AJack Phillips
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Well, as long as we're all shouting out our favorite
paint schemes for Piets, I guess I'll weigh in as well.
One I've always liked is Steve Eldredge's... green
fuselage, cream-white wings and tail surfaces, and of course
the signature "Air Camper" graphic on the fuselage
sides. It's the logo for the Piet list on matronics.
I think if I were doing the Eldredge Piet, I would go
for silver wings and tail to go with the cowling though.
Then there are the gorgeous twins, Frank Pavliga's and
Don Emch's Piets with the solid color fuselage and
contrasting cream-color wings and wheel covers. I think
the close formation in-flight picture of those two airplanes will
be appearing in our EAA Chapter 35 December newsletter,
if my inside sources are correct ;o) The red and green colors say
"flying Christmas" in perfect harmony, together like that.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Moment of silence please |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
http://www.montrealgazette.com/entertainment/Naked+star+Leslie+Nielsen+dead/3897138/story.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A5t5_O8hdA
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Simulator for piet |
OK so what I am hearing is (see I did learn from the "Active Listening class")
A. I need to tie a broomstick to the "stick"
B. I need a fan blowing in my face at 65-70 MPH.
C. Mounting a lawnmower engine between me and the Screen will enhance the sound
and smell (maybe I can use it to run the fan.)Also the chair and stick need to
be hard connected to the engine to get the vibration.
D. If I want a Model A Piet then I need to put an old car radiator between me and
the screen.
Anything else?
;+}
Steve
On 11/29/10, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> I have found MS Flight Sim Piet models before, and they are kind of neat to fly.
I have limited flight time in my Piet, but I feel safe in saying that while
kind of neat, computer flight sim models have little to no relation to flying
a real world Piet.
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Not familiar with N77CG. Is there a picture of it anywhere so that when
I eventually get to Brodhead I'll know where to park?
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Steven, don't use a lawnmower engine -- use a gasoline powered generator
and then you could plug the fan (as well as the computer) into it.
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet progress pix |
Jack, I don't know if BPA can stan two tarheels. I live in
Winston-Salem. In fact after reading the Jan 2009 issue of BPAN I
started to call and see about a visit to New Hill to see you and the
Piet, but I never got around to it. I would have to drive -- my Piet is
barely off the drawing board.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress pix
Great to see it progressing, Matt! Where will you base it? I'll have
to come by to see it next time we're up at Smith Mountain Lake.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Woodflier(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 9:38 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress pix
Well, the Piet fuselage is more or less finished and moved to the
strip where it'll make its first flights. The wings are in the paint
booth and should be done in a couple of weeks. Of course, the weather
just turned, 29 degrees and 40 mph gusts today. Sure wish I could roll
back the calendar a couple of months, weather-wise. But 629ML should be
ready to fly to Brodhead in 2011.
Matt Paxton
Fairfield, VA
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
I'm not senior enough to be able to assign parking places. Maybe you
need to talk to Jack -- he was assigning me to be next to N77CG.
----- Original Message -----
From: airlion
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Colors
Hey Chuck, can I park next to you? Mine is Caliente Red Fuse and
creame wings. Gardiner
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sun, November 28, 2010 11:11:14 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Colors
Right next to Chuck Gantzer=99s N77CG
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 8:24 AM
To: Piet People
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Colors
How about solid red with white sunburst on wing and tail? Where would
you park it?
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
Lots of pics:
westcoastpiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Campbell
Sent: Nov 29, 2010 4:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Colors
Not familiar with N77CG. Is there a picture
of it anywhere so that when I eventually get to Brodhead I'll know where to
park?
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| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | RE: Basing Pietenpol |
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress pix
Great to see it progressing, Matt! Where will you base it? I'll have to
come by to see it next time we're up at Smith Mountain Lake.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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Jack, it's going to be at VA63, Twin Rivers Airstrip, initially. There's a
3000' grass strip and completely enclosed t-hangar with paved floor. Fly on
up when the weather warms up, it shouldn't be more than an hour from
Moneta by Piet. I've had the Bellanca in there with no problems.
Here's a link on Airnav: _http://www.airnav.com/airport/VA63_
(http://www.airnav.com/airport/VA63)
Matt
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Piet progress pix |
Charles, you're welcome to come look at my Pietenpol, but it is not in New
Hill. I keep it in my hangar at Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia (W91), where
we will eventually move and run a Bed & Breakfast for pilots once we get our
house in New Hill sold. I'll be up there every weekend from the end of
January through May, so give me a call if you want to come look at it. My
cellphone is (919) 427-4440.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress pix
Jack, I don't know if BPA can stan two tarheels. I live in Winston-Salem.
In fact after reading the Jan 2009 issue of BPAN I started to call and see
about a visit to New Hill to see you and the Piet, but I never got around to
it. I would have to drive -- my Piet is barely off the drawing board.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack <mailto:pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Phillips
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress pix
Great to see it progressing, Matt! Where will you base it? I'll have to
come by to see it next time we're up at Smith Mountain Lake.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Woodflier(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 9:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress pix
Well, the Piet fuselage is more or less finished and moved to the strip
where it'll make its first flights. The wings are in the paint booth and
should be done in a couple of weeks. Of course, the weather just turned, 29
degrees and 40 mph gusts today. Sure wish I could roll back the calendar a
couple of months, weather-wise. But 629ML should be ready to fly to Brodhead
in 2011.
Matt Paxton
Fairfield, VA
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Ohio piet gathering |
Hello Guys and Gals, I am starting to plan for my 2011 Ohio Piet Gathering
(can't call it a fly in for liability reasons, I guess).- I am shooting f
or Father's Day weekend again, but I will have to see what vacation weekend
I got awarded on my bid.- It will be like last year, just fly in here an
d have fun, camp out fri, sat night if you want to, I will rent- a turd c
loset and supply lunch on sat, if enough people show up, early enough, frid
ay night we can head down to the local watering hole/ grill for supper, Ski
pp, and Ed came in last year on friday evening, and set up their tents 2 ti
mes, once outside, then in the neighbor's hangor (I forgot to check the wea
ther forcast that night).- I know this is a busy weekend, but if you have
any comments, fire when ready.- I might just pull off a fly-in here at h
ome, and go to Brodhead in 2011, I just have to keep the ole lady happy.-
I am assuming Skipp, Ed, Don, Mike C., and Frank P. could make it, as it
is only an hour or Hour 1/2 flight for them, if any are in Columbus etc fo
r buisness reasons feel free to drive in.- We might just have to start up
the Buckeye Pietenpol Assosiation,- Again.
-
Happy building (and flying to you "Snow Birds")
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
So, why some airplanes have and some no? how much is too much, which things you
have to take in account to do it with or without? I do not find anything about
this configuration...
Regards
Mario
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321657#321657
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| From: | Harvey Rule <harvey.rule(at)bell.net> |
It's really up to you as to how much or how little you want.A couple of inc
hes is really all you'll ever need just to give you some stability.If you g
o to far like about 6 inches then you have more than enough and the plane w
ill be so stable that you'll fall asleep flying it.Fighter planes have anhy
edral because they want them very unstable for doing things in the air that
fighters have to do to get out of situations.The first plane I ever flew w
as a Quicksilver ultralight and it had a lot of dhyedral.Probably too much.
As I recall it would practically fly itself.
It's your personal preference really.It's your airplane.What do you want it
to do?
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dhyedral
> From: mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com
> Date: Mon=2C 29 Nov 2010 16:47:23 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
m>
>
> So=2C why some airplanes have and some no? how much is too much=2C which
things you have to take in account to do it with or without? I do not find
anything about this configuration...
>
> Regards
>
> Mario
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321657#321657
>
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| Subject: | Re: Simulator for piet |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Get the cheapest gamepad you can find, configure the stick controls like that of
an RC control box(i.e. right side for ail/elev, left for rudder). Go into FS
control settings (sensitivity) and set them (especially ailerons) less responsive,
and you gotta Piet. Generally, the more expensive the joystick, the crappier
the 'feel'.... then when ur online, go to weather and click on the static
'actual wx' box and download the 'live' wx.. actual winds, etc.. fly outta ur
home field. Then see how close it compares to reality.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321673#321673
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| From: | Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels(at)tds.net> |
I think you mean dihedral. right?
On Nov 29, 2010, at 6:47 PM, giacummo wrote:
>
> So, why some airplanes have and some no? how much is too much, which things you
have to take in account to do it with or without? I do not find anything about
this configuration...
>
> Regards
>
> Mario
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321657#321657
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
I=92ve flown Pietenpols with and without dihedral and can=92t tell much
difference in stability. I have about =BD=94 dihedral per side in my
Pietenpol,
and its stability is no better than the straight wing Piets I=92ve
flown. You
would probably need several inches per side to be able to get much
stability, and that much would look funny, like a model airplane.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harvey
Rule
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: dhyedral
It's really up to you as to how much or how little you want.A couple of
inches is really all you'll ever need just to give you some stability.If
you
go to far like about 6 inches then you have more than enough and the
plane
will be so stable that you'll fall asleep flying it.Fighter planes have
anhyedral because they want them very unstable for doing things in the
air
that fighters have to do to get out of situations.The first plane I ever
flew was a Quicksilver ultralight and it had a lot of dhyedral.Probably
too
much.As I recall it would practically fly itself.
It's your personal preference really.It's your airplane.What do you want
it
to do?
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dhyedral
> From: mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:47:23 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> So, why some airplanes have and some no? how much is too much, which
things you have to take in account to do it with or without? I do not
find
anything about this configuration...
>
> Regards
>
> Mario
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321657#321657
>
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| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
OK, thanks all for the answers
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet progress pix |
Tarheels, hmmmm. You want a unique paint scheme?
One that has history to boot?
http://www.bentwings.com/vf/tarheel/tarheelhal.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Campbell
Jack, I don't know if BPA can stan two tarheels. I live in
Winston-Salem.
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| From: | Ameet Savant <ameetsavant(at)gmail.com> |
Mario,
Not having dihedral does not mean the plane is unstable. There are other
ways to attain stability. For our purposes, a Piet being a high wing
airplane has a center of gravity lower than the wing. This will reduce over
banking and make it easy to return back to wing level.
As an extreme example. Take a look at a powered parachute. The thing has an
anhedral like you've never seen before, but stability is not compromised at
all due to the extremely low center of gravity relative to he wing.
For a low wing aircraft having a dihedral becomes essential because the
center of gravity is slightly higher than the wings. If no dihedral is used
the airplane could be more comfortable flying upside down. For low wing
aircraft typically 6-8 degrees is used. A lot depends on where the CG is.
I haven't got in to the reason why dihedral helps stability, but just want
to illustrate that the Piet does not need it due to the inherent stability
of the high wing and the very good track record of more than 80 years.
Having said that, if you were to put a slight dihedral (I would say less
than 2 degrees) it would not hurt anything other than your construction time
line. ;)
I hope that helps.
Ameet Savant
Omaha, NE
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 6:47 PM, giacummo wrote:
> >
>
> So, why some airplanes have and some no? how much is too much, which things
> you have to take in account to do it with or without? I do not find anything
> about this configuration...
>
> Regards
>
> Mario
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321657#321657
>
>
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| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
I built 1 degree into my one piece wing which amounts to the tips being 3 inches
higher than the center. The reason I did that was from an experience with a
Stinson 108 that I owned. A prior owner had shortened the struts so the wing had
ZERO dihedral. As long as you were doing air work or in the pattern it was
great. Even a short cross country was a bit aggravating because it flew like sitting
on a basketball. Look down at the Sectional, look back up and you were
turning one way or the other. The dihedral makes it a lot harder to handle on
the workbench. I hope to put it on an airplane one day !
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
Unless I am missing a important point here, I trained on all Cessna's
150,152,172 so if I want that same performance style ad stability I should look
up the Cessna design ad add that exact amount to my build ad it will act or
closely approximate similar flight qualities as the Cessna's that I am
more used to flying and better acquainted with. Is that an accurate
assessment? And if so how much does Cessna typically use in their designs?
Additionally is that a value that's proportionate to the total wing span such
that
wings having a shorter or longer than the Cessna wing span has more or less
dihedral and at what rate or ratio?
I know that if want a Cessna should buy one of those, however that's not
what am asking, so I would short cut the typical answers, but thanks
anyway. I am more looking for comparative information and the relationship to
something I am most familiar with.
Thanks
John
In a message dated 11/30/2010 8:01:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jdotson(at)centurylink.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson"
I built 1 degree into my one piece wing which amounts to the tips being 3
inches higher than the center. The reason I did that was from an experience
with a Stinson 108 that I owned. A prior owner had shortened the struts so
the wing had ZERO dihedral. As long as you were doing air work or in the
pattern it was great. Even a short cross country was a bit aggravating
because it flew like sitting on a basketball. Look down at the Sectional, look
back up and you were turning one way or the other. The dihedral makes it a
lot harder to handle on the workbench. I hope to put it on an airplane one
day !
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | Gary Wilson <gtche98(at)gmail.com> |
My experience with dihedral is in model planes, as Jack mentions below. We
would put a lot of dihedral in a model plane to enable it to fly without
ailerons.
My understanding is that the Piet doesn't necessarily need it because it is
a parasol wing, with the CG sitting much lower than the wing. That makes
the plane act like it is a pendulum, self-stabilizing to some extent.
Dihedral is more critical in a low wing plane, as the CG is sitting on top
of the wing.
Gary Wilson
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Jack Phillips wrot
e:
> I=92ve flown Pietenpols with and without dihedral and can=92t tell much
> difference in stability. I have about =BD=94 dihedral per side in my Pie
tenpol,
> and its stability is no better than the straight wing Piets I=92ve flown.
You
> would probably need several inches per side to be able to get much
> stability, and that much would look funny, like a model airplane.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Harvey Rule
> *Sent:* Monday, November 29, 2010 10:20 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: dhyedral
>
>
> It's really up to you as to how much or how little you want.A couple of
> inches is really all you'll ever need just to give you some stability.If
you
> go to far like about 6 inches then you have more than enough and the plan
e
> will be so stable that you'll fall asleep flying it.Fighter planes have
> anhyedral because they want them very unstable for doing things in the ai
r
> that fighters have to do to get out of situations.The first plane I ever
> flew was a Quicksilver ultralight and it had a lot of dhyedral.Probably t
oo
> much.As I recall it would practically fly itself.
> It's your personal preference really.It's your airplane.What do you want
it
> to do?
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dhyedral
> > From: mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com
> > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:47:23 -0800
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
> >
> > So, why some airplanes have and some no? how much is too much, which
> things you have to take in account to do it with or without? I do not fin
d
> anything about this configuration...
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Mario
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
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John,
Taking one design element from a Cessna (i.e. amount of dihedral) and
applying it to a Piet won't have the same affect. We're also talking
about high wing vs. a parasol. If I remember my ancient history (meaning
the Aero classes I took 35+ years ago) positive dihedral will IN GENERAL
affect a parasol more than a closed cabin high wing like a Cessna. In
other words a parasol probably has more inherent stability than a high
wing cabin monoplane with equivalent dihedral. In reality however, you
have to take in account the whole aircraft - where's the CG in relation
to the wing, configuration (parasol, high wing, low wing), wing
planform, aileron configuration (frieze type vs hinged flap, sealed vs
unsealed, etc.), and I'd guess even the effects of the tail (tail arm,
rudder & fin size) - to decide how much dihedral is appropriate.
Remember, no part of the airplane flys by itself.
=46rom evidence presented here, it sounds like Piet's have flown with
either no, or from 1 - 2 degrees, dihedral. I'd bet that sealing the
aileron gap has more affect on overall handling than adding a degree if
dihedral. I'll probably put in a degree or so on mine, but I'm not close
to that point yet.
Happy building,
Ken
On Nov 30, 2010, at 7:29 AM, amsafetyc(at)aol.com wrote:
> Unless I am missing a important point here, I trained on all Cessna's
150,152,172 so if I want that same performance style ad stability I
should look up the Cessna design ad add that exact amount to my build ad
it will act or closely approximate similar flight qualities as the
Cessna's that I am more used to flying and better acquainted with. Is
that an accurate assessment? And if so how much does Cessna typically
use in their designs? Additionally is that a value that's proportionate
to the total wing span such that wings having a shorter or longer than
the Cessna wing span has more or less dihedral and at what rate or
ratio?
>
> I know that if want a Cessna should buy one of those, however that's
not what am asking, so I would short cut the typical answers, but
thanks anyway. I am more looking for comparative information and the
relationship to something I am most familiar with.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/30/2010 8:01:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jdotson(at)centurylink.net writes:
>
> I built 1 degree into my one piece wing which amounts to the tips
being 3 inches higher than the center. The reason I did that was from an
experience with a Stinson 108 that I owned. A prior owner had shortened
the struts so the wing had ZERO dihedral. As long as you were doing air
work or in the pattern it was great. Even a short cross country was a
bit aggravating because it flew like sitting on a basketball. Look down
at the Sectional, look back up and you were turning one way or the
other. The dihedral makes it a lot harder to handle on the workbench. I
hope to put it on an airplane one day !
>
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> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
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> wing, tailfeathers done
> using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
Thanks guys, I appreciate the insight especially in attempting to gain a
perspective on the entire issue and its effect on the Piet as opposed t other
popular aircraft designs.
John
In a message dated 11/30/2010 11:54:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
ken@cooper-mtn.com writes:
John,
Taking one design element from a Cessna (i.e. amount of dihedral) and
applying it to a Piet won't have the same affect. We're also talking about high
wing vs. a parasol. If I remember my ancient history (meaning the Aero
classes I took 35+ years ago) positive dihedral will IN GENERAL affect a
parasol more than a closed cabin high wing like a Cessna. In other words a
parasol probably has more inherent stability than a high wing cabin monoplane
with equivalent dihedral. In reality however, you have to take in account the
whole aircraft - where's the CG in relation to the wing, configuration
(parasol, high wing, low wing), wing planform, aileron configuration (frieze
type vs hinged flap, sealed vs unsealed, etc.), and I'd guess even the
effects of the tail (tail arm, rudder & fin size) - to decide how much dihedral
is appropriate. Remember, no part of the airplane flys by itself.
>From evidence presented here, it sounds like Piet's have flown with either
no, or from 1 - 2 degrees, dihedral. I'd bet that sealing the aileron gap
has more affect on overall handling than adding a degree if dihedral. I'll
probably put in a degree or so on mine, but I'm not close to that point yet.
Happy building,
Ken
On Nov 30, 2010, at 7:29 AM, _amsafetyc(at)aol.com_ (mailto:amsafetyc(at)aol.com)
wrote:
Unless I am missing a important point here, I trained on all Cessna's
150,152,172 so if I want that same performance style ad stability I should look
up the Cessna design ad add that exact amount to my build ad it will act
or closely approximate similar flight qualities as the Cessna's that I am
more used to flying and better acquainted with. Is that an accurate
assessment? And if so how much does Cessna typically use in their designs?
Additionally is that a value that's proportionate to the total wing span such
that
wings having a shorter or longer than the Cessna wing span has more or less
dihedral and at what rate or ratio?
I know that if want a Cessna should buy one of those, however that's not
what am asking, so I would short cut the typical answers, but thanks
anyway. I am more looking for comparative information and the relationship to
something I am most familiar with.
Thanks
John
In a message dated 11/30/2010 8:01:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
_jdotson(at)centurylink.net_ (mailto:jdotson(at)centurylink.net) writes:
<_jdotson(at)centurylink.net_ (mailto:jdotson(at)centurylink.net) >
I built 1 degree into my one piece wing which amounts to the tips being 3
inches higher than the center. The reason I did that was from an
experience with a Stinson 108 that I owned. A prior owner had shortened the struts
so the wing had ZERO dihedral. As long as you were doing air work or in the
pattern it was great. Even a short cross country was a bit aggravating
because it flew like sitting on a basketball. Look down at the Sectional, look
back up and you were turning one way or the other. The dihedral makes it a
lot harder to handle on the workbench. I hope to put it on an airplane one
day !
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | early builder <nx797rd(at)yahoo.com> |
Is anyone making / selling pietenpol ribs anymore?
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | ready to go smoke system |
FYI everyone,
If you're considering a smoke system, ck out aeroconversions.com and go to
"accessories". They make a nice 1.7 gal aluminum tank that mounts to the
firewall and comes with the associated pumps, switches etc. It's much more
pricey than doing it yourself, but it might be worth it as a time savor for
some.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: rib fabircators |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
http://www.westernaircraftspruce.com/aboutus.php
try these guys,they are good folks and have been building Piet kits for a long
time.They build ribs as far as I know.Dave
--------
Building a Piet
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| Subject: | Re: rib fabircators |
| From: | Kimball Isaac <kim.integrity(at)gmail.com> |
FWIW I called them this fall and they are having a hard time getting
material around as the large multinational companies have the timber rights
tied up, also the government branch in charge of forestry isn't interested
in working with small companies
As a result most of our high quality wood tends to get exported. I ended up
ordering from aircraft spruce as he didn't know when he'd have wood.
Kim
On 2010-11-30 4:56 PM, "Dangerous Dave" wrote:
>
> http://www.westernaircraftspruce.com/aboutus.php
> try these guys,they are good folks and have been building Piet kits for a
long time.They build ribs as far as I know.Dave
>
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ready to go smoke system |
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From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ready to go smoke system
Date: Tuesday, November 30, 2010, 4:24 PM
FYI everyone,
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t it might be worth it as a time savor for some.
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| From: | "GliderMike" <glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com> |
OK, this may sound like a dumb question, but to be able to put in a little dihedral,
are you shaping the spar to do it on a one piece wing, or something else.
on a 3 piece wing, I would think you could build the dihedral in when the attach
brackets were built or attached. Since I've never built a flying model
airplane, and the only aircraft I have built was a hot air balloon, I don't have
any experience to fall back on.
--------
HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Mike,
I cut the angles on the spar splice and the plates of 1/4" plywood.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
I dont have theories or a lot of book learning to back up the dihedral debate,
but I have owned and operated a Pietenpol with anhyedral and can say that it is
definitely undesirable. It would fall off to one side or the other (not very
predictable) during every stall and that included landings. Many exciting times
occurred as a result. Most of the time things went well.
I have been told (but can not verify that source has since passed away) that Bernard
had two people lift up on the wingtips when he measured for the strut lengths
on his one-piece wings to obtain a little dihedral.
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| Subject: | Re: rib fabircators |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Last year at Brodhead, there were two complete sets of original ribs that looked
nicely fabricated. $300 is the price that I remember. Can't guarantee what
will be there this year but at least it's a data point.
Dave
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Scout has 3" of dihedral. I wish I could find the picture that
Kevin posted where our two airplanes appear in the same picture
so you can see the marked difference between Fat Girl with zero
dihedral and Scout with 3". Although I always thought the dihedral
on my airplane was hardly noticeable, in a side-by-side photo
it's remarkable.
I've never flown another Piet so I have no idea how it affects
the handling qualities.
To the comment about rigging like a Cessna 150, besides the other
comments already offered I would add that there are a whole lot of
other differences between the two wings... the Cessna has a good
deal of washout, the wing planform is tapered at its outboard end,
and it's a different airfoil. Anyway, it's another case of the
same old "less filling... more taste" discussion, so I guess we'll
have another round ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
Edgar Howe from NW Indiana was one of the people at Brodhead who had ribs for sale.
He can be reached at 219-508 -6880. I am sure he has a set available.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso Indiana
----- Original Message -----
From: early builder
Sent: 11/30/2010 2:20:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib fabircators
Is anyone making / selling pietenpol ribs anymore?
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| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
This photo shows the difference in dihedral between the two aircraft pretty well.
If it's a calm day Fat Girl can fly hands off for several seconds at a time. If
there are any bumps its hands-on all the way.
It's been years since I've flown another Piet. I don't remember how they handled
so I cannot offer a comparison.
I am biased, but I do not find the aircraft particularly difficult or tedious to
fly in regards to stability.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | early builder <nx797rd(at)yahoo.com> |
Has anyone purchased ribs from Edgar Howe?- if so please send an email to
me at nx797rd(at)yahoo.com
-
Thanks
-
Bob Dewenter
Dayton OH
Corvair /Pietenpol builder. 1% done
--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Richard Schreiber wrote:
From: Richard Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: rib fabircators
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 10:14 PM
Edgar Howe from NW Indiana was one of the people at Brodhead who had ribs f
or sale. He can be reached at 219-508 -6880. I am sure he has a set availab
le.
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Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso Indiana
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----- Original Message -----
From: early builder
Sent: 11/30/2010 2:20:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib fabircators
Is anyone making / selling pietenpol ribs anymore?
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| Subject: | For Sale: Flightcom Classic ANR headset (new in box) |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
In case anyone is looking to treat themselves (or someone else) to a new
headset this Christmas, I've got a brand new, in the box, Flightcom Classic
ANR headset for sale (carrying case as well). Approximately 2.5 months old,
they were tried on once and the ANR was tested (it works). Otherwise they
have had no use. I am asking $300 plus the cost shipping. Please let me know
if you would be interested via email and we can go from there. Have a good
day!
Ryan
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: For Sale: Flightcom Classic ANR headset (new in box) |
Ryan:
Have you tried that ANR headset out in the open cockpit environment to see
how it works? I have heard that ANR does not function too well with that
kind of active environment.
Tom Stinemetze
>>> Ryan Mueller 12/2/2010 8:22 AM >>>
In case anyone is looking to treat themselves (or someone else) to a new
headset this Christmas, I've got a brand new, in the box, Flightcom
Classic ANR headset for sale (carrying case as well). Approximately 2.5
months old, they were tried on once and the ANR was tested (it works).
Otherwise they have had no use. I am asking $300 plus the cost shipping.
Please let me know if you would be interested via email and we can go from
there. Have a good day!
Ryan
=====================
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale: Flightcom Classic ANR headset (new in box) |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Tom,
I have not tried them in the airplane; as mentioned, they have not been used
(other than test fit and making sure the ANR turned on). I would refer to an
excerpt from a post Mike Cuy put up a couple years back when he picked up a
set; that was part of reason I went ahead and bought them:
"I have a 9 volt battery powered 2-place Sigtronics intercom w/ squelch
and volume control. Microphone sponges/covers are a must
to cut wind noise and if possible use noise cancelling head sets. I
just purchased a Flightcom Classic ANR (active noise reduction)
headset to replace my very old Pilot Avionics at Oshkosh and tried it
last weekend and could hear unicom frequencies 75% better
than I did with my old Pilot Avionics units. Transmissions were so much
more clear as well. I'm sold on ANR headsets."
Ryan
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:33 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
> *Ryan:*
> **
> *Have you tried that ANR headset out in the open cockpit environment to
> see how it works? I have heard that ANR does not function too well with
> that kind of active environment.*
> **
> *Tom Stinemetze*
>
>
> >>> Ryan Mueller 12/2/2010 8:22 AM >>>
>
> In case anyone is looking to treat themselves (or someone else) to a new
> headset this Christmas, I've got a brand new, in the box, Flightcom Classic
> ANR headset for sale (carrying case as well). Approximately 2.5 months old,
> they were tried on once and the ANR was tested (it works). Otherwise they
> have had no use. I am asking $300 plus the cost shipping. Please let me know
> if you would be interested via email and we can go from there. Have a good
> day!
>
> Ryan
>
> *
> ectric.com
> ">www.buildersbooks.combuilthelp.com
> .matronics.com/contribution
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> ics.com*
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | latex on sheet metal/fiberglass |
Who here has painted their sheet metal/fiberglass components with latex? And
how did it work for you and what did it look like and how is it holding up.
I tried a test panel over some epoxy primer, and even after a month drying,
I can still scrape the latex off with my fingernail. I'm wondering if I
needed to scuff the epoxy primer or use a dedicated latex primer for metal.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: latex on sheet metal/fiberglass |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
I sprayed my aluminum cowling and turtle deck with latex primer and latex
satin. Latex paint stays fairly soft and does not get hard like auto
urethane or epoxy paint. It is easily scratched although I found that auto
urethane scratches fairly easy also (I painted my landing gear with urethan
e
and if I was going to do it again would powder coat all exterior tubing). I
figure if the scratches start to bother me, once each year I can remove my
cowl and turtle deck in a couple minutes and spray on a other coat of latex
in another 15 minutes (including water cleanup) for a total cost of a buck
or two.
If you want a more indestructible finish on your Piet use the expensive
stuff. Latex finish coat may stick to latex primer better than epoxy primer
(and of course you will want to etch your aluminum first).
rick
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Douwe Blumberg
wrote:
> Who here has painted their sheet metal/fiberglass components with latex?
> And how did it work for you and what did it look like and how is it holdi
ng
> up.
>
>
> I tried a test panel over some epoxy primer, and even after a month dryin
g,
> I can still scrape the latex off with my fingernail. I=92m wondering if
I
> needed to scuff the epoxy primer or use a dedicated latex primer for meta
l.
>
>
> Douwe
>
> *
>
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>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | For Sale: Flightcom Classic ANR headset (new in |
box)
And not only was THAT ANR headseat great for the Pietenpol but the Gulfcoas
t Avionics ANR (David Clark look-alike but all black) one
is excellent too.
I had excellent results hearing/taking with the controllers at OSH in 2009
and more recently when flying into a controlled airport a few weeks ago us
ing
the Flightcom ANR headset. The ANR really mutes the engine noise and wind
noise plus in addition to the must-have foam over the microphone condom
thingy that you can purchase as an accessory if the headset doesn't come wi
th it.
The only issues you have in an open cockpit are when your passengers lean o
ut over the side to look down, then you get a blast of prop blast wind nois
e
in your ears and it usually startles the passenger and they stop doing it p
retty quickly !
Carry on good people,
Mike C.
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: latex on sheet metal/fiberglass |
benjamin moores makes a good metal primer for latex. cheers, Gardiner Mason
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale: Flightcom Classic ANR headset (new in box) |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the info Mikee.
And yes, this one did come with the foam microphone condom thingy. :P (I
just doublechecked)
The warranty card is in the carrying case, so the new owner will be the
recipient of the warranty if they send that in. ACS is selling them for
$346.50 right now, so I think it's a pretty good deal for exactly the same
thing.
Have a good day!
Ryan
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] wrote:
> And not only was THAT ANR headseat great for the Pietenpol but the
> Gulfcoast Avionics ANR (David Clark look-alike but all black) one
>
> is excellent too.
>
> * *
>
> I had excellent results hearing/taking with the controllers at OSH in 20
09
> and more recently when flying into a controlled airport a few weeks ago
> using
>
> the Flightcom ANR headset. The ANR really mutes the engine noise and wi
nd
> noise plus in addition to the must-have foam over the microphone condom
>
> thingy that you can purchase as an accessory if the headset doesn=92t com
e
> with it.
>
>
> The only issues you have in an open cockpit are when your passengers lean
> out over the side to look down, then you get a blast of prop blast wind
> noise
>
> in your ears and it usually startles the passenger and they stop doing it
> pretty quickly !
>
>
> Carry on good people,
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> [image: HUGHES.JPG]
>
>
> * *
>
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: For Sale: Flightcom Classic ANR headset (new in box) |
Ryan:
If you can guarantee that it also work on Crank Snappin' Corvair noises I
will take it off your hands. I think I still have your address around
somewhere.
By the way, are you doing any of your own Piet flying yet?
Stinemetze
N328X
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>>> Ryan Mueller 12/2/2010 12:15 PM >>>
Thanks for the info Mikee.
And yes, this one did come with the foam microphone condom thingy. :P (I
just doublechecked)
The warranty card is in the carrying case, so the new owner will be the
recipient of the warranty if they send that in. ACS is selling them for
$346.50 right now, so I think it's a pretty good deal for exactly the same
thing.
Have a good day!
Ryan
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
The flying and glider manual for 1933 with the scout plans actually says that exactly
on page 40...
" Next have someone hold up the end of the wing so it will have a little dihedral,
and measure the length of the front struts. these should both be exactly
the same length"
jeff
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| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
This "dhyedral" thread kind of reminds me of the "plnas" thread that ran so
long back in August for some reason.
rick
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 1:57 PM, bender wrote:
> jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
>
> The flying and glider manual for 1933 with the scout plans actually says
> that exactly on page 40...
> " Next have someone hold up the end of the wing so it will have a little
> dihedral, and measure the length of the front struts. these should both be
> exactly the same length"
>
> jeff
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale: Flightcom Classic ANR headset (new in box) |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Tom,
Haha...I would think it would quiet the purr of a CSC just as well as the
bleating of an A-65. :)
I've got your address, I will ship it from the local UPS store on Saturday
(I'm in the Detroit area now for work 'til tomorrow night). Once it ships
I'll have the total plus shipping and you can drop a check in the mail. I'll
shoot you my address with the total.
Thanks, long travel day, time for bed. Have a good evening,
Ryan
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:59 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
> *Ryan:*
> **
> *If you can guarantee that it also work on Crank Snappin' Corvair noises I
> will take it off your hands. I think I still have your address around
> somewhere.*
> *By the way, are you doing any of your own Piet flying yet?*
> **
> *Stinemetze*
> *N328X
> *
> *do not archiv*
>
> *____ | ____
> \8/
> / \e
> *>>> Ryan Mueller 12/2/2010 12:15 PM >>>
>
> Thanks for the info Mikee.
>
> And yes, this one did come with the foam microphone condom thingy. :P (I
> just doublechecked)
>
> The warranty card is in the carrying case, so the new owner will be the
> recipient of the warranty if they send that in. ACS is selling them for
> $346.50 right now, so I think it's a pretty good deal for exactly the same
> thing.
>
> Have a good day!
>
> Ryan
>
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| Subject: | Welding Question |
| From: | "AlRice" <Allen(at)allenrice.net> |
This might be really dumb question but when I'm tack welding parts together that
are bolted to wood structure, for example the landing gear mounts on the bottom
longerons, how do I prevent scorching of the wood or damaging the glue joint?
Thanks for the help. This is my first wood airplane.
--------
Al Rice
Skybolt 260
RV-9A
Helping with my grandson's Piet
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| Subject: | Re: Welding Question |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
I would build up a dummy of that particular section and tack them up off of that,you
will mess something up if you weld on the fuselage.Dave
--------
Building a Piet
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Welding Question |
That was my first thought -- but it would be a lot of trouble.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welding Question
>
> I would build up a dummy of that particular section and tack them up off
> of that,you will mess something up if you weld on the fuselage.Dave
>
> --------
> Building a Piet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322147#322147
>
>
>
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Welding Question |
Dave, I've been having a bit of a problem with E-mails to the Piet list
being returned. If this one goes through I guess the problem has been
corrected. See you!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welding Question
>
> I would build up a dummy of that particular section and tack them up off
> of that,you will mess something up if you weld on the fuselage.Dave
>
> --------
> Building a Piet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322147#322147
>
>
>
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Welding Question |
Al:
I just got through figuring out that very problem with my landing gear
fittings. I tried to tack the parts while jigged up on the airplane with
my gas welding rig. It took too long to spot heat the fittings and the
wood underneath started to scorch in spite of all my wet rags and sheet
metal shields. So, I got a friend with a portable mig welder to come over
and he was able to just hit the parts quickly with a minimum of area
heating to tack the parts together. (minimal scorching beneath the area
of the weld) Then I disassembled everything and moved it to my welding
table where I could complete the weld by gas without problem. Note that
the previously perfectly sized holes have to be resized after the final
weld.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "AlRice" 12/2/2010 10:29 PM >>>
This might be really dumb question but when I'm tack welding parts
together that are bolted to wood structure, for example the landing gear
mounts on the bottom longerons, how do I prevent scorching of the wood or
damaging the glue joint?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Welding Question |
What I recommend: "dry" fit the parts to each other and to the plane. Use t
he bolt holes if there are any, or clamps, etc. to hold the part(s) in plac
e on the plane. Continue to bend, drill, dry fit until you are happy with h
ow they go together. Once bolted/clamped on the plane, I usually will mark
reference lines on the parts where they meet/touch/bolt to each other. Then
I remove from the plane, line up the marks and tack weld.- Re-fit to pla
ne to check. If happy, remove and final weld. Some fixturing/jigging may be
necessary for tack/final weld. (see pic.)
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Welding Question |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Many times I will tack parts while still attached to the airframe. Just make
sure you remove them before things get too hot and burn some wood. My mock
fuselage, turned upside down was real handy for tack welding my landing gear
parts.
rick
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 5:11 AM, Dangerous Dave wrote:
>
> I would build up a dummy of that particular section and tack them up off of
> that,you will mess something up if you weld on the fuselage.Dave
>
> --------
> Building a Piet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322147#322147
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Welding Question |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Just what I did with a tig.
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 7:17 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
> *Al:*
> **
> *I just got through figuring out that very problem with my landing gear
> fittings. I tried to tack the parts while jigged up on the airplane with my
> gas welding rig. It took too long to spot heat the fittings and the wood
> underneath started to scorch in spite of all my wet rags and sheet metal
> shields. So, I got a friend with a portable mig welder to come over and he
> was able to just hit the parts quickly with a minimum of area heating to
> tack the parts together. (minimal scorching beneath the area of the weld)
> Then I disassembled everything and moved it to my welding table where I
> could complete the weld by gas without problem. Note that the previously
> perfectly sized holes have to be resized after the final weld.*
> **
> *Tom Stinemetze*
> *N328X*
> **
>
>
> >>> "AlRice" 12/2/2010 10:29 PM >>>
>
>
> This might be really dumb question but when I'm tack welding parts together
> that are bolted to wood structure, for example the landing gear mounts on
> the bottom longerons, how do I prevent scorching of the wood or damaging the
> glue joint?
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey Al,
My first question is are you gas or tig welding? I'm not sure you could
even do this with gas as the metal has to heat up and there would be no way
to protect the underlying wood and glue from scorching. I have done this by
protecting the surrounding areas with a heat shield of thin aluminum or
something like that and making small, very quick tacks using a tig, then
removing the assembly and welding it solid. Gotta be careful and only make
one or two tacks per area before letting it cool down and starting again.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Welding Question |
That's a really good use for a mock fuse. The other is that you WILL want to check
out how it feels to actually SIT in the fuse you're building. A mock fuse
resolves both....
I don't think anyone should ever build a Pietenpol without building a mock fuse....
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Holland
Sent: Dec 3, 2010 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welding Question
Many times I will tack parts while still attached to the airframe. Just make sure
you remove them before things get too hot and burn some wood. My mock fuselage,
turned upside down was real handy for tack welding my landing gear parts.
rick
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 5:11 AM, Dangerous Dave wrote:
I would build up a dummy of that particular section and tack them up off of that,you
will mess something up if you weld on the fuselage.Dave
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Welding Question |
What is a mock fuselage?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welding Question
>
>
> That's a really good use for a mock fuse. The other is that you WILL want
> to check out how it feels to actually SIT in the fuse you're building. A
> mock fuse resolves both....
>
> I don't think anyone should ever build a Pietenpol without building a mock
> fuse....
>
> jm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Rick Holland
>
> Sent: Dec 3, 2010 8:55 AM
>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welding Question
>
>
> Many times I will tack parts while still attached to the airframe. Just
> make sure you remove them before things get too hot and burn some wood. My
> mock fuselage, turned upside down was real handy for tack welding my
> landing gear parts.
>
>
> rick
>
> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 5:11 AM, Dangerous Dave wrote:
>
>
> I would build up a dummy of that particular section and tack them up off
> of that,you will mess something up if you weld on the fuselage.Dave
>
>
> --------
>
> Building a Piet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Welding Question |
| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
A fuselage (some just make the cockpit areas) made full size out of whatever materials
you want (i.e. inexpensive) for the purpose of using it to "try things
on for size" or as a fabrication jig.
NOT EVER intended to be flown (although there have been a few notables on this
list in the past who made what were essentially mock fuselages that they insisted
were airworthy). Not to be confused with Mock Turtle Soup :).
Kip Gardner
On Dec 3, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Charles Campbell wrote:
>
> What is a mock fuselage?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welding Question
>
>
>>
>> That's a really good use for a mock fuse. The other is that you WILL want to
check out how it feels to actually SIT in the fuse you're building. A mock
fuse resolves both....
>>
>> I don't think anyone should ever build a Pietenpol without building a mock fuse....
>>
>> jm
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Rick Holland
>>
>> Sent: Dec 3, 2010 8:55 AM
>>
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welding Question
>>
>>
>>
>> Many times I will tack parts while still attached to the airframe. Just make
sure you remove them before things get too hot and burn some wood. My mock fuselage,
turned upside down was real handy for tack welding my landing gear parts.
>>
>>
>> rick
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 5:11 AM, Dangerous Dave wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I would build up a dummy of that particular section and tack them up off of
that,you will mess something up if you weld on the fuselage.Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> --------
>>
>> Building a Piet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
This is the mockup we made the first night of the Big Piet Project. We soon
found out that we needed a bigger fuselage for some or our fluffier
builders. It was a couple of 2x4s ripped down to 1x1 and some scrap luan
plywood. It took about an hour and a half to build and adjust to our needs.
We made the luan "gussets" large so we could adjust as needed and screwed it
together with sheetrock screws and a battery drill. I think total cost was
under $10 and was the best money spent on the whole project of 5 Big Piets.
It's a good idea to check for fit and use a cushion under your butt and back
to see how it will really fit. Also see if you can read the instruments with
your bifocals inside your goggles. (this is only for the older builders like
me)
Barry Davis
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Welding Question NOW physiological fuselages... |
My fuselage should feel pretty lucky then...I'M the one who takes all those
physiological barbs, opinions, insults, rude comments, etc. while out ther
e with it...it just gets the praise...-
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Mockup |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
The prop on front was a nice touch Barry. Here is mine after several winters
out in the South 40...
rick
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Barry Davis wrote:
> This is the mockup we made the first night of the Big Piet Project. We
> soon found out that we needed a bigger fuselage for some or our fluffier
> builders. It was a couple of 2x4s ripped down to 1x1 and some scrap luan
> plywood. It took about an hour and a half to build and adjust to our needs.
> We made the luan "gussets" large so we could adjust as needed and screwed it
> together with sheetrock screws and a battery drill. I think total cost was
> under $10 and was the best money spent on the whole project of 5 Big Piets.
> It's a good idea to check for fit and use a cushion under your butt and back
> to see how it will really fit. Also see if you can read the instruments with
> your bifocals inside your goggles. (this is only for the older builders like
> me)
> Barry Davis
>
>
> **
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Mockup |
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Davis
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 5:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Mockup
This is the mockup we made the first night of the Big Piet Project. We
soon found out that we needed a bigger fuselage for some or our fluffier
builders. It was a couple of 2x4s ripped down to 1x1 and some scrap luan
plywood. It took about an hour and a half to build and adjust to our
needs. We made the luan "gussets" large so we could adjust as needed and
screwed it together with sheetrock screws and a battery drill. I think
total cost was under $10 and was the best money spent on the whole
project of 5 Big Piets. It's a good idea to check for fit and use a
cushion under your butt and back to see how it will really fit. Also see
if you can read the instruments with your bifocals inside your goggles.
(this is only for the older builders like me)
Barry Davis
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Mockup |
After reading the Oct 2010 issue of BPAN, I wrote Doc with a simple
question -- what is a 'Big Piet'? I think Doc must have been busy or
something 'cause I never heard back. Now you are talking about the Big
Piet. Now I'll ask you -- what is a Big Piet?
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Davis
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 5:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Mockup
This is the mockup we made the first night of the Big Piet Project. We
soon found out that we needed a bigger fuselage for some or our fluffier
builders. It was a couple of 2x4s ripped down to 1x1 and some scrap luan
plywood. It took about an hour and a half to build and adjust to our
needs. We made the luan "gussets" large so we could adjust as needed and
screwed it together with sheetrock screws and a battery drill. I think
total cost was under $10 and was the best money spent on the whole
project of 5 Big Piets. It's a good idea to check for fit and use a
cushion under your butt and back to see how it will really fit. Also see
if you can read the instruments with your bifocals inside your goggles.
(this is only for the older builders like me)
Barry Davis
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| Subject: | Trouble with the Piet list |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
One of our newest members, Charles Campbell, sent me this message off-line.
Does anyone have any words of wisdom to rectify this situation? Thanks.
Dan, I am having some trouble with the Piet list. I am receiving E-mail OK
but all my outgoing E-mails are being blocked. I can't send a message to
matronics at all. In fact, when you asked for an E-mail address to contact
BPAN I sent you an E-mail that was rejected. Could you investigate this f
or me? I paid my "dues" last month so that shouldn't be the problem. Thank
s for anything you can do for me. Chuck cncampbell(at)windstream.net
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Welding Question: need for a mock fuse |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Mock fuselage? Mock fuselage? We don' need no stink'n mock fuselages!! You
should all be ashamed of yourselves, expressing the "need" for a mock fusel
age. Any self-respecting genuine devote' of Bernerd Pietenpol would never c
onsider second guessing the original design of the BHP Aircamper. Just buil
d it to plans, and you will be assured, the results will be superb.
Dan Helsper, purist
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 12:29 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welding Question
>
That's a really good use for a mock fuse. The other is that you WILL want
to
heck out how it feels to actually SIT in the fuse you're building. A mock
fuse
esolves both....
I don't think anyone should ever build a Pietenpol without building a mock
use....
jm
----Original Message-----
From: Rick Holland
Sent: Dec 3, 2010 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welding Question
Many times I will tack parts while still attached to the airframe. Just mak
e
ure you remove them before things get too hot and burn some wood. My mock
uselage, turned upside down was real handy for tack welding my landing gear
arts.
ick
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 5:11 AM, Dangerous Dave wrote:
I would build up a dummy of that particular section and tack them up off of
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| Subject: | It flies again for the first time |
| From: | "Piep" <charles(at)thecontactpoint.com> |
N1709R is finally back in the air. After 600hrs of labor and a few thousand dollars,
the airplane flew for the first time (again) after being brought back to
life from being neglected for the past 10 or so years. (It is interesting to
note the size of the giant tail. The original builder didn't think it had enough
rudder control, so he enlarged it to over double the normal size. Now it
has lots of rudder authority, but looks somewhat cartoonish in flight. At first,
I didn't like it, but it is growing on me (no pun intended).
Thanks for everyone's input and help.
Looking through some very old photos from my wife's grandparents, we noticed a
picture of a barnstormer who landed in a field in a Jenny and took my wife's aunt
for a ride. The next year he was back in a Ford Tri-motor in the same field
in the Amarillo area. So, for our Christmas cards to the family this year,
we re-enacted the photo with the Piet and had them printed in the Sepia color
to look old. They turned out pretty good.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: Welding Question |
| From: | "AlRice" <Allen(at)allenrice.net> |
So, besides the mock fuselage, I guess we'll have to fab a jig for a mock aileron
pulley mount and probably several others. I guess Tucker and I better get
movin'. Thanks for the help from everyone.
BTW, Tucker finished up his ribs today.
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Al Rice
Skybolt 260
RV-9A
Helping with my grandson's Piet
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Welding Question2 |
ok in the way i weld my metal parts special landingear attachment plate and
lungs is make a fake bely botom from my fuselaje mesurament adn atach plat
es in plase and wel by gas and acetilene the jig wood is burd but the plate
s is weld others pert like elevator bellcrank I used pliers or metal clamps
for my landingear leg made from metal tubing make a plywood jig riced from
base wood about 1inch or so make the tigh joint and welds work bery well a
nd is bery safe I never trate to well anie pert attach from my real airplan
e I jope these ideas help you tanks all jorge from hanford
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From: AlRice <Allen(at)allenrice.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question
Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 8:29 PM
This might be really dumb question but when I'm tack welding parts together
that are bolted to wood structure, for example the landing gear mounts on
the bottom longerons, how do I prevent scorching of the wood or damaging th
e glue joint?
Thanks for the help.- This is my first wood airplane.
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Al Rice
Skybolt 260
RV-9A
Helping with my grandson's Piet
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Welding Question2 |
ok in the way i weld my metal parts special landingear attachment plate and
lungs is make a fake belly bottom from my fuselaje mesurament and atached
plates in plase and weld by gas and acetylene the jig wood is burn but the
plates is weld others part like elevator bellcrank I used pliers or metal c
lamps for my landingear leg made from metal tubing make a plywood jig riced
from base wood about 1inch or so make the tigh joint and welds work bery w
ell and is bery safe, I never trate to well anie part attach from my real a
irplane. I jope these ideas help you tanks all jorge from hanford
--- On Thu, 12/2/10, AlRice wrote:
From: AlRice <Allen(at)allenrice.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question
Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 8:29 PM
This might be really dumb question but when I'm tack welding parts together
that are bolted to wood structure, for example the landing gear mounts on
the bottom longerons, how do I prevent scorching of the wood or damaging th
e glue joint?
Thanks for the help.- This is my first wood airplane.
--------
Al Rice
Skybolt 260
RV-9A
Helping with my grandson's Piet
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Mockup |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Barry Davis (see above poster) and 5 others got together and built 6 identical
airplanes based on the Pietenpol design. IIRC, they were about 10% bigger than
the standard and build mostly out of metal rather than wood. All used Corvair
engines. There was an article on them in Sport Aviation several years ago.
After they were mostly built, the group drew names out of a hat to figure out
who got which project. That's the legend anyway.
Dave
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: tack welding |
It's been a while since I did any welding on these parts
next to wood so I forgot something until just now. I
found this stuff in the welding supply before doing that
You paint on the parts near the weld and it acts as
a heat sink. My supply is long gone now but I'm sure a
supply company or welder would know what it is and
where to get it.
Clif
My first question is are you gas or tig welding? I'm not sure you
could even do this with gas as the metal has to heat up and there would
be no way to protect the underlying wood and glue from scorching. Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: It flies again for the first time |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
You mention the Amarillo area- are you around here now? that is a fine looking
airplane! Raymond
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| From: | "Don Heringhaus" <don.h(at)wcoil.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trouble with the Piet list |
he should make sure he is sending a message to the list with the same e
mail address that he signed up with..I had that trouble until I realized
I was reading the list at my shop with a different email heading then
the one I signed on with
73 Don w8zrz
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| Subject: | FOR SALE - Pietenpol Air Camper Builders Manual & Sup |
P
| From: | "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net> |
I accidentally ended up with two copies of the Builders Manual. My cost was $37.
Anyone needing one can have my extra copy for $33 with free shipping.
Also have a set of new Original Pietenpol Air Camper Supplemental Plans I have
no need of, for $55 with free shipping.
Following is description from the Pietenpol Family web site.
--
Original Pietenpol Air Camper & Sky Scout Builders Manual
Original Builders manual that contains the text written by Mr. Pietenpol for the
Flying & Glider Manual and Popular Aviation magazines of the 1930's. This is
the information pertinent to building the Air Camper and the Sky Scout in the1930's.
Also included is history about the planes that Mr. Pietenpol built and
construction notes to assist the first time builder to better understand why
it's built as it is. A good head start! Bernard wrote much of this manual himself
and documents the how to's!
Chapter I The Amateur Airplane Builder
Chapter II Modern Mechanics and Inventions
Ford A Powered 2-Seat Monoplane
Pietenpol Steel Tube Fuselage
Mounting the Motor on your Air Camper
The Pietenpol-Ford Motor Conversion
Chapter III Sky Scout
The Pietenpol Sky Scout
Tail Group and Fuselage Fittings
Chapter IV Converting Ford Model A Engines For Flight
Chapter V Itemized Parts List
Chapter VI Airplane Chronology
Chapter VII Converting the Corvair Engine For Flight
Chapter VIII Sixty-five Years Of Post Flight
Chapter IX Builders Notes
Chapter X Builders Questions
Original Air Camper & Sky Scout Builders Manual
$37.00 US Dollars
*Free Shipping
-----------------------------------------------------------
Original Pietenpol Air Camper Supplemental Plans
Includes drawings showing the installation of the Corvair engine. This packet of
plans includes drawing for a longer fuselage, Corvair motor mount drawing, Corvair
propeller hub drawing, 65 hp Continental engine motor mount drawing.
Original Air Camper Supplemental Drawings
(Extended Fuselage to be used with A-65's and modern engines)
$60.00 US Dollars
*Free Shipping
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| Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter email |
| From: | "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net> |
Dan
I've sent several emails to the address Jack posted. Never a a reply.
Craig
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A goal without a plan is nothing more than a wish. -- orion
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| Subject: | Hey, Got My Ribs Done |
| From: | "Tucker" <Tucker(at)tuckerrice.net> |
Got my ribs all done. Hooray! Now onto the fuselage. Captain says that we have
to build a mock fuselage first. I guess we'll do that when I'm out of school
for the Christmas break.
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Tucker
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| Subject: | Re: tack welding |
| From: | "Tucker" <Tucker(at)tuckerrice.net> |
I'm using TIG which does the best job of keeping the heat localized and minimized
but it is still too much heat for wood and glue joints. I'll build a throw
away fuse for mock-up.
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Tucker
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| Subject: | Re: Hey, Got My Ribs Done |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Tucker,
You make me proud. Keep on a keepin' on and one day you will fly your OWN
airplane. In the process you are learning things that no one can take away from
you. The skills you learn while building will pass on to adult life as a way
to get a job if you want to work with your hands. I would love to have you for
a grandson.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | another fine day |
Put another 2.4 hrs. in the logbook today at the controls of
"Scout". Beautiful day for flying... practically CAVU in advance
of a cold front, just barely jacket weather at 2500 ft. but
we were glad we had jackets after 30 minutes at 3000 ft.
There was an open house and fly-in at Castroville today, just 10
minutes south of my home field. Flew over there to fuel up and
to see who was on the field, only to find a very quiet day there.
Fueled up, then the airport guys took my brother and I over to
the hangar where a fellow is building a scale Nieuport 12 replica
with a 9-cylinder Rotec radial. Gorgeous airplane! While we
were getting ready to head out, traffic called "North American xxx
entering downwind..." and we knew it was something special. It was.
A stunning SNJ! He landed, fueled up, and then we taxied out
for our takeoff, headed to Medina Lake and then to Boerne Stage
Airport to drop off my brother. While we were climbing out toward
Medina Lake, I see the SNJ clawing up towards us! He formed up on
our starboard wing, they waved through the open canopies, then
zoomed off. We were at cruise at 70MPH and the SNJ smoked past us
like we were tied down ;o) Sun was on our port side and illuminated
his broadside in our view, so itlit up the SNJ in a picture-perfect
way our wing. I got some pix of it on the ground, but not in the air,
doggone it.
I love flying this airplane, even if I did notice that yet another
of the cooling eyebrow mounting tabs has now fatigued clear through.
Sigh. I replace about one every 6 months...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: physiological fuselages |
Well, I was referring to my actual fuselage...I did not make a mock up of it. However,
I make A LOT of templates...I use a CAD type program and print out the
various metal parts, (and my own designs) to see how they all look/fit together.
I am more of a "Template Builder" I guess.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Hey, Got My Ribs Done |
Good for you. Smart to get that most tedious task out of the way right up front
when you are highly motivated. Building the fuselage has bee my favorite part
so far!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Hey, Got My Ribs Done |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Congratulations Tucker, you have accomplished a lot. Just keep at it and before
you know it you will have the makings of a real airplane.
Jon Coxwell
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: another fine day |
Man, I wish I was there. I am getting "Horny for aviation."
In the 1990s I was "Shot down" in my Cessna 150 by a P51 over Galveston. The P51
was on a photoshoot with a B17. When I saw him I announced my position. He called
TallyHO rolled off and did a "Gun run" straight at me while doing aleron
rolls. He passed by my right wing. I got one photo. A winged blur. Then he formed
up on the B17 and went on his way. Way Cool.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 12/05/10, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Put another 2.4 hrs. in the logbook today at the controls of
> "Scout". Beautiful day for flying... practically CAVU in advance
> of a cold front, just barely jacket weather at 2500 ft. but
> we were glad we had jackets after 30 minutes at 3000 ft.
>
> There was an open house and fly-in at Castroville today, just 10
> minutes south of my home field. Flew over there to fuel up and
> to see who was on the field, only to find a very quiet day there.
> Fueled up, then the airport guys took my brother and I over to
> the hangar where a fellow is building a scale Nieuport 12 replica
> with a 9-cylinder Rotec radial. Gorgeous airplane! While we
> were getting ready to head out, traffic called "North American xxx
> entering downwind..." and we knew it was something special. It was.
> A stunning SNJ! He landed, fueled up, and then we taxied out
> for our takeoff, headed to Medina Lake and then to Boerne Stage
> Airport to drop off my brother. While we were climbing out toward
> Medina Lake, I see the SNJ clawing up towards us! He formed up on
> our starboard wing, they waved through the open canopies, then
> zoomed off. We were at cruise at 70MPH and the SNJ smoked past us
> like we were tied down ;o) Sun was on our port side and illuminated
> his broadside in our view, so itlit up the SNJ in a picture-perfect
> way our wing. I got some pix of it on the ground, but not in the air,
> doggone it.
>
> I love flying this airplane, even if I did notice that yet another
> of the cooling eyebrow mounting tabs has now fatigued clear through.
> Sigh. I replace about one every 6 months...
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: another fine day2 |
I whisch haved in these moment at bf 109K to shot dow another P51 mustang a
nd make a few past in those B 17 engines too seyou.
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From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: another fine day
Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 9:26 PM
Man, I wish I was there. I am getting "Horny for aviation."
In the 1990s I was "Shot down" in my Cessna 150 by a P51 over Galveston. Th
e P51 was on a photoshoot with a B17. When I saw him I announced my positio
n. He called TallyHO rolled off and did a "Gun run" straight at me while do
ing aleron rolls. He passed by my right wing. I got one photo. A winged blu
r. Then he formed up on the B17 and went on- his way. Way Cool.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 12/05/10, Oscar Zuniga- wrote:
>
>
>
> Put another 2.4 hrs. in the logbook today at the controls of
> "Scout".- Beautiful day for flying... practically CAVU in advance
> of a cold front, just barely jacket weather at 2500 ft. but
> we were glad we had jackets after 30 minutes at 3000 ft.
>-
> There was an open house and fly-in at Castroville today, just 10
> minutes south of my home field.- Flew over there to fuel up and
> to see who was on the field, only to find a very quiet day there.
> Fueled up, then the airport guys took my brother and I over to
> the hangar where a fellow is building a scale Nieuport 12 replica
> with a 9-cylinder Rotec radial.- Gorgeous airplane!- While we
> were getting ready to head out, traffic called "North American xxx
> entering downwind..." and we knew it was something special.- It was.
> A stunning SNJ!- He landed, fueled up, and then we taxied out
> for our takeoff, headed to Medina Lake and then to Boerne Stage
> Airport to drop off my brother.- While we were climbing out toward
> Medina Lake, I see the SNJ clawing up towards us!- He formed up on
> our starboard wing, they waved through the open canopies, then
> zoomed off.- We were at cruise at 70MPH and the SNJ smoked past us
> like we were tied down ;o)- Sun was on our port side and illuminated
> his broadside in our view, so itlit up the SNJ in a picture-perfect
> way our wing.- I got some pix of it on the ground, but not in the air,
> doggone it.
>-
> I love flying this airplane, even if I did notice that yet another
> of the cooling eyebrow mounting tabs has now fatigued clear through.
> Sigh.- I replace about one every 6 months...
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net- - - - - - - - -
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Mockup |
| From: | "GliderMike" <glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com> |
I have friends in Salt Lake City who are scratch building an LSA, and they had
some special needs on the airplane. I think they ended up building at least 3
mock fuselages to be able to get everything to be workable on space in the cabin,
and accessibility. My wife didn't understand why they would need a mock fuselage
at all, much less multiples. Sitting down and measuring what you think
you need sounds like it should work, however, getting in and out of, and sitting
in something exactly like you are building works better. Use cheap lumber,
but not so cheap it breaks! :? I am thinking I may build a few ribs for pracitce
before I start using the good stuff.
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| Subject: | Re: Hey, Got My Ribs Done |
| From: | "GliderMike" <glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com> |
Excellent Tucker. Good job! :D
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
What's really good about building a mock fuselage is that
it can be put together very quickly and easily, doesn't
require a lot of precise fitting, but gives tremendous
seat-of-the-pants feedback. Very rewarding. You can use
any scrap materials laying around the garage or hangar,
doesn't have to be aircraft grade. Gussets can be 1/4" or
3/16" plywood, lumber can be from packing crates or wood
pallets, you can shoot it all together with an air
stapler without fussing about the joints or worrying about
weight. The instrument boards don't have to be perfectly
shaped or sanded, nothing needs to be exact... build it
to the nearest 1/16" tick mark on your measuring tape and
get some Elmer's yellow glue or Gorilla Glue (an excellent
use for it!) and wham it together in a weekend.
>From there, it becomes a very useful tool for fitting a
whole host of things without having to permanently change
or make holes in your "real" fuselage. You can easily
try out changes in geometry, controls, instruments, or
anything else. Drill multiple sets of holes as you
adjust the location of controls or fittings or mounts- it
won't matter because it was never intended to be airworthy.
But best of all, you can sit in it and so
can your friends, family, or visitors- and get an instant
feel for what it's like in the real airplane. In fact, if
you wanted to, you could build it on sawhorses in the
3-point configuration or in level cruise configuration (or,
if you're clever, you can mount the front on pins or
dowels that allow the mock-up to rotate from one position
to the other), using an old broomhandle or piece of conduit
as a pivot and having two different mounting points at the
aft sawhorse. That way, you can do all sorts of other things
like checking how things sit using different wheels or
landing gear.
Yes, you can even throw a coat of paint on it ;o) Pull out
that old half-gallon of paint that's getting hard in the
garage... whatever color it happens to be. That way,
it can be put outdoors out of the way if you don't have room
for it in your shop. If you have kids, it is absolutely the
best plaything they will have around, and it will give them
an introduction to the cockpit without any worry about breaking
anything.
Go one step further? Set that old orphaned big-screen TV in
front of it and pop in Mike Cuy's DVD flying scenes ;o) Walmart
sells a super-dependable little Magnavox DVD player for $29
that will play even the most scratched DVDs. I think you could
rig a smoke system, too...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: mock fuselage |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
The mock fuse helped me figure out the plans in 3D space and make several
mistakes before I started cutting and gluing the expensive wood. And a great
landing gear/welding jig. (And its been a lot of fun at parties having
friends and family sit in and take stupid pictures).
rick
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> What's really good about building a mock fuselage is that
> it can be put together very quickly and easily, doesn't
> require a lot of precise fitting, but gives tremendous
> seat-of-the-pants feedback. Very rewarding. You can use
> any scrap materials laying around the garage or hangar,
> doesn't have to be aircraft grade. Gussets can be 1/4" or
> 3/16" plywood, lumber can be from packing crates or wood
> pallets, you can shoot it all together with an air
> stapler without fussing about the joints or worrying about
> weight. The instrument boards don't have to be perfectly
> shaped or sanded, nothing needs to be exact... build it
> to the nearest 1/16" tick mark on your measuring tape and
> get some Elmer's yellow glue or Gorilla Glue (an excellent
> use for it!) and wham it together in a weekend.
>
> >From there, it becomes a very useful tool for fitting a
> whole host of things without having to permanently change
> or make holes in your "real" fuselage. You can easily
> try out changes in geometry, controls, instruments, or
> anything else. Drill multiple sets of holes as you
> adjust the location of controls or fittings or mounts- it
> won't matter because it was never intended to be airworthy.
> But best of all, you can sit in it and so
> can your friends, family, or visitors- and get an instant
> feel for what it's like in the real airplane. In fact, if
> you wanted to, you could build it on sawhorses in the
> 3-point configuration or in level cruise configuration (or,
> if you're clever, you can mount the front on pins or
> dowels that allow the mock-up to rotate from one position
> to the other), using an old broomhandle or piece of conduit
> as a pivot and having two different mounting points at the
> aft sawhorse. That way, you can do all sorts of other things
> like checking how things sit using different wheels or
> landing gear.
>
> Yes, you can even throw a coat of paint on it ;o) Pull out
> that old half-gallon of paint that's getting hard in the
> garage... whatever color it happens to be. That way,
> it can be put outdoors out of the way if you don't have room
> for it in your shop. If you have kids, it is absolutely the
> best plaything they will have around, and it will give them
> an introduction to the cockpit without any worry about breaking
> anything.
>
> Go one step further? Set that old orphaned big-screen TV in
> front of it and pop in Mike Cuy's DVD flying scenes ;o) Walmart
> sells a super-dependable little Magnavox DVD player for $29
> that will play even the most scratched DVDs. I think you could
> rig a smoke system, too...
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Slave to fashion |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
The wife needs to know what I need for Christmas and being a slave to
fashion that I am (like most of my fellow Piet builders), I figure I have to
get one of those cool leather flying helmets/goggles before I can ever make
my first flight. So can anyone recommend a good website/brand that you like?
Also if you are going to use headphones do you need a different type of
helmet?
thanks
rick
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Slave to fashion |
Hi Rick,
I bought a fairly high-dollar leather helmet with headset built in that I've
been very happy with. It's pricey (nearly $400) but when you consider that
the price includes a headset, it's pretty reasonable. I've had a lot of
comments from people I've talked with over the radio that said they would
never have believed I was in an open cockpit. It's that good.
Here's the link:
http://www.gibson-barnes.com/Communications+Helmet/id/18/cat_id/23/prod_id/1
61/
They also make flying helmets, both leather and cloth, without comm
capability.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 7:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Slave to fashion
The wife needs to know what I need for Christmas and being a slave to
fashion that I am (like most of my fellow Piet builders), I figure I have to
get one of those cool leather flying helmets/goggles before I can ever make
my first flight. So can anyone recommend a good website/brand that you like?
Also if you are going to use headphones do you need a different type of
helmet?
thanks
rick
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Slave to fashion |
There was a great Australian company at Oshkosh a few years ago with a fantastic
leather helmet with an interior shell made of kevlar. Probably not protective
in a bad crash but at least better then leather as armour for the noggin.
They were meant to be used with a David Clark or similar headseat. I'm sure you'll
find them If you google. Good luck.
Scott Knowlton
Slow builder in Burlington
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 00:23:52
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Slave to fashion
The wife needs to know what I need for Christmas and being a slave to fashion that
I am (like most of my fellow Piet builders), I figure I have to get one of
those cool leather flying helmets/goggles before I can ever make my first flight.
So can anyone recommend a good website/brand that you like? Also if you are
going to use headphones do you need a different type of helmet?
thanks
rick
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Slave to fashion |
Hi Rick
I bought a Aircraft Spruce leather helmet with fleece ling. It is ver
comfortable. I have their 2008-09 cataloug, it is on page 571 model
711L. For glasses, I went to a Harley Davidson dealer. They have some
nice sets of goggles.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 6:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Slave to fashion
The wife needs to know what I need for Christmas and being a slave to
fashion that I am (like most of my fellow Piet builders), I figure I
have to get one of those cool leather flying helmets/goggles before I
can ever make my first flight. So can anyone recommend a good
website/brand that you like? Also if you are going to use headphones do
you need a different type of helmet?
thanks
rick
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Slave to fashion |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Rick - I bought a cheap canvas rig from aircraft spruce. Was made for dave clark
but i put my brand in (lightspeed). Not fancy, not warm, but it works. I
use ski goggles for eye protection.
There are more aesthetic options out there. Those of you who I've had the pleasure
of meeting in person know that I cannot be accused of being a slave to fashion.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
I have tried several radiators and found that the more efficient they are the more
pump presser is required, such as the vertical tubed type requires nothing
more than a boost to thermo siphon , Water movement
in a 100 % efficient cross flow type requires a pump impeller that is at least
2 " Diameter an turns 2 times engine speed,
The leak-less type has an axial flow vane type impeller that is around one inch
Dia. on a half inch shaft. in order to double the flow and eliminate cavitation
one must extend the shaft 6.5 " and locate the vane impeller close to the pump
outlet. This type of pump has 2 sealed ball bearings with spacers between,
One setscrew is used. If two setscrews are used my test pump started to leak.
I will keep you all posted on the performance of a 10 " high cross flow as today
at 25 Degree the chill factor was a bit to much.But take-off was very surprising.
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Slave to fashion |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Hey Kevin... how do your Lightspeeds work in the open cockpit? I've got a pair
of Zulus that I would like to use, but some have told me that ANR headsets are
crap in open environment... true or no?
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Slave to fashion |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi Mark - They're not active noise canceling - just regular headsets.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Slave to fashion |
http://www.garciaaviation.com/cgi-local/storepro5/agora.cgi?
Helmets, goggles and silk scarves, me lads, helmets,
goggles and scarves........... :-)
Clif
"I had a pilots breakfast.
A coffee and a piss, a donut and a dump."
>
>
> Hi Mark - They're not active noise canceling - just regular headsets.
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| Subject: | Re: Slave to fashion |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
http://www.flying-jacket.com/product-details.aspx?id=13
Rick,these ones are really nice.By the way,was good visiting yesterday,your planes
is looking beautiful.Dave
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Covering Piet
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| Subject: | Re: Slave to fashion |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
http://www.campbellaeroclassics.com/
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Howdy,Heres the 95% done dash,dave
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| Subject: | Re: Slave to fashion |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Rick,
I recommend Pop's Leather, popsleather.com. I ran into them at Oshkosh a f
ew years ago. Very cheap and excellent quality.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 5, 2010 6:27 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Slave to fashion
The wife needs to know what I need for Christmas and being a slave to fashi
on that I am (like most of my fellow Piet builders), I figure I have to get
one of those cool leather flying helmets/goggles before I can ever make my
first flight. So can anyone recommend a good website/brand that you like?
Also if you are going to use headphones do you need a different type of hel
met?
thanks
rick
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Slave to fashion |
Rick, I use a fabric welding hat that is lined and also covers the back of my
neck. It works very well with my lightspeed earphones. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 10:24:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slave to fashion
Rick - I bought a cheap canvas rig from aircraft spruce. Was made for dave
clark but i put my brand in (lightspeed). Not fancy, not warm, but it works.
I
use ski goggles for eye protection.
There are more aesthetic options out there. Those of you who I've had the
pleasure of meeting in person know that I cannot be accused of being a slave to
fashion.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Slave to fashion |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Scott wrote-
>There was a great Australian company at Oshkosh a few years ago
>with a fantastic leather helmet with an interior shell made of
>kevlar. Probably not protective in a bad crash but at least better
>then leather as armour for the noggin. They were meant to be used
>with a David Clark or similar headseat. I'm sure you'll find them
>If you google. Good luck.
The company is actually from New Zealand (Kiwis, not Aussies), and their product
is extremely nice. Also quite pricey. I sent for their info pack and can vouch
for the very, very nice product and details and if I had the money, I would
certainly buy one of their helmets. I can tell you that the cost of a good
ANR headset is completely lost in the cost of their helmets, though... in the
FOUR figures, if I remember the brochure pricing. I have the brochure if anyone
is interested.
My day-to-day flying helmet is a Navy carrier flight deck crew helmet that I got
on eBay, complete with goggles and David Clark hearing protectors, for less
than $50. Ordinary headsets fit right in the same earcups (like my Pacific Avionics
headset)- but since I'm usually NORDO, I only use the hearing protectors.
Here's a pic.
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| From: | jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Slave to fashion |
Rick,
My wife has the same plan for me and I pointed her to Aircraft Spruce. Their stuff
is always good and easy to return if necessary. Plus the prices are reasonable
and shipping is fast.
Also a Google search will turn up all kinds of stuff if you just want to browse.
If you want something unique, follow this link.
http://www.etsy.com/listing/59673002/tank-girl-leather-flying-helmet
Jeff Wilson
--- On Sun, 12/5/10, Rick Holland wrote:
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Slave to fashion
Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 6:23 PM
The wife needs to know what I need for Christmas and being a slave to fashion that
I am (like most of my fellow Piet builders), I figure I have to get one of
those cool leather flying helmets/goggles before I can ever make my first flight.
So can anyone recommend a good website/brand that you like? Also if you are
going to use headphones do you need a different type of helmet?
thanks
rick
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
If you wan to see one of the dyno pulls, go here and watch it.
It made 87hp at 3000rpm, but its needs some more tuning. it feels like there is
allot more left.
We are having some issues with the marvin schebler carb (MA3SPA), it needs to be
jetted a little leaner, are there different jets available for that carb? i
am coming up with nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYW8tQ4TSBg
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| Subject: | Re: Slave to fashion |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the info Jack, hadn't thought about a helmet with a built-in
headset (which I also need). One other question about headsets, with a
straight-out exhaust and open cockpit is an ANR type headset a necessity? O
r
just nice to have? I read Mike C's recommendation for the Flightcom ANR and
they seem to be one of the more reasonable models.
rick
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Jack Phillips wrote
:
> Hi Rick,
>
>
> I bought a fairly high-dollar leather helmet with headset built in that
> I=92ve been very happy with. It=92s pricey (nearly $400) but when you co
nsider
> that the price includes a headset, it=92s pretty reasonable. I=92ve had
a lot
> of comments from people I=92ve talked with over the radio that said they
would
> never have believed I was in an open cockpit. It=92s that good.
>
>
> Here=92s the link:
> http://www.gibson-barnes.com/Communications+Helmet/id/18/cat_id/23/prod_i
d/161/
>
>
> They also make flying helmets, both leather and cloth, without comm
> capability.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 05, 2010 7:24 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Slave to fashion
>
>
> The wife needs to know what I need for Christmas and being a slave to
> fashion that I am (like most of my fellow Piet builders), I figure I have
to
> get one of those cool leather flying helmets/goggles before I can ever ma
ke
> my first flight. So can anyone recommend a good website/brand that you li
ke?
> Also if you are going to use headphones do you need a different type of
> helmet?
>
> thanks
>
> rick
>
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> Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... |
| From: | Ken Chambers <ken.riffic(at)gmail.com> |
Sounds great!
Mostly stock? Or some mods?
Did you ever find a good source for the forklift engine without the balance
shaft?
And what can you tell us about the bearing you've added?
Ken
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Chris Rusch wrote:
> >
>
> If you wan to see one of the dyno pulls, go here and watch it.
> It made 87hp at 3000rpm, but its needs some more tuning. it feels like
> there is allot more left.
> We are having some issues with the marvin schebler carb (MA3SPA), it needs
> to be jetted a little leaner, are there different jets available for that
> carb? i am coming up with nothing.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYW8tQ4TSBg
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322476#322476
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
Here is a good shot of my bearing housing, it uses 2 timken bearings.
The engine is basically stock except for forged pistons, stainless valves and a
mild porting job. i also used studs for the main bearing and the head.
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| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... |
| From: | Ken Chambers <ken.riffic(at)gmail.com> |
How did you decide that a bearing housing was necessary?
Looks like a great idea, but I thought the forged crank and beefy mains on
that engine would handle the prop loads.
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Chris Rusch wrote:
> >
>
> Here is a good shot of my bearing housing, it uses 2 timken bearings.
> The engine is basically stock except for forged pistons, stainless valves
> and a mild porting job. i also used studs for the main bearing and the head.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322490#322490
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0942_201.jpg
>
>
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512-796-1798
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Slave to fashion |
I don't have ANR in mine, and it works fine. ANR would be nice, but it
costs more.
Here's a picture so you can see what it looks like. Karen and I are each
wearing one.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Slave to fashion
Thanks for the info Jack, hadn't thought about a helmet with a built-in
headset (which I also need). One other question about headsets, with a
straight-out exhaust and open cockpit is an ANR type headset a necessity? Or
just nice to have? I read Mike C's recommendation for the Flightcom ANR and
they seem to be one of the more reasonable models.
rick
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Jack Phillips
wrote:
Hi Rick,
I bought a fairly high-dollar leather helmet with headset built in that I've
been very happy with. It's pricey (nearly $400) but when you consider that
the price includes a headset, it's pretty reasonable. I've had a lot of
comments from people I've talked with over the radio that said they would
never have believed I was in an open cockpit. It's that good.
Here's the link:
http://www.gibson-barnes.com/Communications+Helmet/id/18/cat_id/23/prod_id/1
61/
They also make flying helmets, both leather and cloth, without comm
capability.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 7:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Slave to fashion
The wife needs to know what I need for Christmas and being a slave to
fashion that I am (like most of my fellow Piet builders), I figure I have to
get one of those cool leather flying helmets/goggles before I can ever make
my first flight. So can anyone recommend a good website/brand that you like?
Also if you are going to use headphones do you need a different type of
helmet?
thanks
rick
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Slave to fashion |
Prescription goggles:
http://www.prescriptiongoggles.com/
Leather helmet:
www.Ebay.com
Go Nordo to keep things simple.
Greg C.
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From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 6:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Slave to fashion
The wife needs to know what I need for Christmas and being a slave to
fashion that I am (like most of my fellow Piet builders), I figure I
have to get one of those cool leather flying helmets/goggles before I
can ever make my first flight. So can anyone recommend a good
website/brand that you like? Also if you are going to use headphones do
you need a different type of helmet?
thanks
rick
--
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Jack,PANEL sounds to much like glass...a highly repulsive addition to my 30 year
passion.I will stick with Steam Dash.dave
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed.2.. |
hey Kent your engine look like almost ford model A these is whater cooler too and
like to now howmany horse power have if cand sen resourses to get one and con
vertion I thinken about options tanks and good look jorge fro hanford
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed...
Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 11:40 AM
How did you decide that a bearing housing was necessary?
Looks like a great idea, but I thought the forged crank and beefy mains on that
engine would handle the prop loads.
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Chris Rusch wrote:
Here is a good shot of my bearing housing, it uses 2 timken bearings.
The engine is basically stock except for forged pistons, stainless valves and a
mild porting job. i also used studs for the main bearing and the head.
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| From: | Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
Looks good! I gotta ask, cabin heat? How do ya have that plumbed?
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 6, 2010, at 7:24 AM, "Dangerous Dave" wrote:
>
> Howdy,Heres the 95% done dash,dave
>
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| Subject: | Horizontal flow Radiator |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
With a radiator only 10" high gives more lifting space on the center wing section
and using a horizontal flow, high efficiency design by the Brodhead radiator
people allows a much smaller cooling system. So far it has excellent possibilities,
What would be an objection, other than Bernie's half A radiator doesn't look the
same..
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| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Howdy,On the cabin heat.I am fabing aluminum covers that go from the
side of the front seat to the fuselage,rounded on top so as theres room for my
rudder pedals and feet with the front capped of with an aluminum plate with a
2" stub at the bottom.I'm running 2" flex back from the firewall to a Y and 2"
flex to each side.Should keep at least the lower half of me toasty.Will post
some pics when I'm done with it,Dave
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| Subject: | Re: FOR SALE - Pietenpol Air Camper Builders Manual & |
Sup P
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
I'll take the Corvair supplement. Am at airport, please send me your contact info
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Tom Kreiner
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| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Hello,
I do not know what you think about, but in few years the cameras are going to have
too many Megapixels. If the images posted here are in the original format
we will need a very very big monito, today is very difficult see the images here,
and one have to go from left to right to see them and read the post...
Why dont put them just 800x600 as max size and a link to the original?..
I think it will be more comfortable follow a topic.
just an opinion.
regards
Mario
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| From: | "AlRice" <Allen(at)allenrice.net> |
Image resizers are free online. I use JPeg Resizer. Get it free at: http://www.brothersoft.com/jpeg-resizer-3357.html
An image 700 pixels wide is perfect for the forum. When you reduce the size of
the image, you also reduce the size of the file drastically making it upload
faster.
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Al Rice
Skybolt 260
RV-9A
Helping with my grandson's Piet
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Jury strut attachment |
Good People,
I'm fabricating my jury strut attachment for the spar ala Mike Cuy and Jack Phillips.
I was wondering what size bolts everyone has used to hold the fitting to
the spar. The Grega plans, which appear to be a copy of the Baby Ace design,
uses AN4's. The attachment to the lift strut is only an AN3. It looks to me that
AN4's through the spar is overkill, not to mention weakening the spar even
more.
Rick Schreiber
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Outside My Window - Need Skis |
Where did summer go? Seems like just a few days ago we were being rained
upon at Brathead. I just snapped this outside my office. If anyone has a
line on Federal 1500 skis let me know. Looking for a set for the Cub.
"That all you going to do with your life, cash for rides?"
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
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| Subject: | Re: Jury strut attachment |
| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
Rick
AN 3 is enough, the jury strut is only to avoid a harmonic and flexing in t
he main strut.
There should hardly be any load on it.
Do make sure that the jury strut is not centered on the main strut but a fe
w inches off to one site.
Hans
NX 15KV
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From: Richard Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tue, Dec 7, 2010 12:40 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jury strut attachment
Good People,
I'm fabricating my jury strut attachment for the spar ala Mike Cuy and Jack
Phillips. I was wondering what size bolts everyone has used to hold the fi
tting to the spar. The Grega plans, which appear to be a copy of the Baby A
ce design, uses AN4's. The attachment to the lift strut is only an AN3. It
looks to me that AN4's through the spar is overkill, not to mention weakeni
ng the spar even more.
Rick Schreiber
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
How big or small are the radiators that you for guys are using...?
they all look pretty narrow.. just a bit wider than the engine head..
and the space between the wing and cowl is pretty short.
thanks in advance
jeff
ribs done
fuselage 90%
looking forward to the gear
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Jury strut attachment |
I used AN3's
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jury strut attachment
Good People,
I'm fabricating my jury strut attachment for the spar ala Mike Cuy and Jack
Phillips. I was wondering what size bolts everyone has used to hold the
fitting to the spar. The Grega plans, which appear to be a copy of the Baby
Ace design, uses AN4's. The attachment to the lift strut is only an AN3. It
looks to me that AN4's through the spar is overkill, not to mention
weakening the spar even more.
Rick Schreiber
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| Subject: | Cheer up the winter blues. |
Hi!
Take a look at this from Corben group this morning.
A very nice Pietenpol in some shots.
Regards
Gerry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76aH_04T7cc
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| Subject: | Re: radiator size |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jeff,
The radiator I have is one of the last batch from Forest Lovely (sp?). It
measures 19-3/4" high (not including neck) x 12" wide.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Sent: Tue, Dec 7, 2010 7:14 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: radiator size
>
How big or small are the radiators that you for guys are using...?
hey all look pretty narrow.. just a bit wider than the engine head..
nd the space between the wing and cowl is pretty short.
hanks in advance
eff
ribs done
uselage 90%
ooking forward to the gear
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| Subject: | Re: FOR SALE - Pietenpol Air Camper Builders Manual & |
Sup P
| From: | "GliderMike" <glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com> |
If you still have the manual, send me your contact info, and how you want to get
paid, and I'll take them. I can send a check, or do PayPal if you can take PayPal.
Send the information to glidermikeg at yahoo dot com
I've started the preparations for building ribs, and have the rib drawings. Ordering
wood next Monday.
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
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| Subject: | Re: FOR SALE - Pietenpol Air Camper Builders Manual & |
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| From: | "GliderMike" <glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks Craig.
I'm one more step closer to being finished. 0.01 % complete, 150% to go! [Rolling
Eyes]
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Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| Subject: | Re: Outside My Window - Need Skis |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
We've got a few inches on the ground. Maybe more on the way over the next couple
of days. Skis going on the Piet tonight. :D
Don Emch
NX899DE
P.S. John, it seems like I just saw a set of Federals on Barnstormers.
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| Subject: | Re: radiator size |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
thanks Dan..
as much as i love the Brass i may be thinking aluminum
i was looking at my motorcycle the other day and it hit me... a lot of bikes are
water cooled including my vtx..there may be a ready made bike radiator that
would work
jeff
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| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | RE: Jury Strut Attach |
I used two AN3 bolts through the U fitting I made and the spar. Should be
more than adequate.
Matt Paxton
From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jury strut attachment
Good People,
I'm fabricating my jury strut attachment for the spar ala Mike Cuy and
Jack Phillips.
I was wondering what size bolts everyone has used to hold the fitting to
the spar. The Grega plans, which appear to be a copy of the Baby Ace
design,
uses AN4's. The attachment to the lift strut is only an AN3. It looks to
me that
AN4's through the spar is overkill, not to mention weakening the spar even
more.
Rick Schreiber
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | jury strut attach idea I saw on Will Graff's Pietenpol |
And copied it. Sketch attached. Works well, was easy to fabricate.
Mike C.
[cid:image001.jpg(at)01CB96C0.F22CA350]
rsbooks.com>
m>
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | jury strut attach idea I saw on Will Graff's Pietenpol |
Mike,
Thats the design I plan on using.
I plan on working on the cowling from the firewall rearward this month. I only
want to pay shipping once, so I hope that a full 4x12 ft sheet will be enough
to do the cockpits and the engine cowl. I'm using .025 2024T3.
I saw Jim Hacklin and his Piet a couple of days ago. I am sure he will be flying
this spring. He has just about finished his Corvair. I think all he has left
to do is install the carb and then cowl the engine. The day I saw him we were
due to get about 10 inches of lake effect snow. Our conversation naturally gravitated
to open cockpit flying in the winter and how much we would actually do
it. If I had skis like Don, I might be more inclined to do it.
Rick Schreiber
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Sent: 12/8/2010 9:29:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: jury strut attach idea I saw on Will Graff's Pietenpol
And copied it. Sketch attached. Works well, was easy to fabricate.
Mike C.
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Hey John
Check this out.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: jury strut attach idea I saw on Will Graff's Pietenpol |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Not to get too picky, but didn't Will Graff's Air Camper (N1492G) have wooden lift
struts and jury struts?
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Will%20Graff/pictures.htm
Just wondering what kind of filler rod would be recommended for welding steel to
wood. :)
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Q: Charlie Rubeck's Piet |
| From: | Kenneth Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Guys,
A number of years ago when I lived in Bloomington, Indiana, I got to know
Charlie Rubeck. He was very helpful to me when I was in the early stages
of my project. My understanding is that he died awhile back. I'm wondering
whatever became of his Pietenpol. Do anyone of you know?
He took me to see it on one my visits to his home outside Spencer, Indiana.
It had been rebuilt after the accident when he inadvertantly stall/spun it
in. Though it appeared it had been hangared for a number of years with
little or no flying, it was really quite a nice airplane. I wonder who, if
anyone, now owns it.
Cheers, Ken
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
Pieters....
-The v-brace supports for the front seat back....are they on the back sid
e of the front-seat facing the pilot or are they on the front side of the
seat back facing the engine?
-
I am understanding the plans to say the v-brace go on the front side of the
front seat back...
-
Correct?
-
KMHeide=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Correct. The V-brace go on the front of the font seat. I put mine on the
back like a bunch of other people have done but they will interfere with
mounting the center strut lower fittings.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 9:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front seat back
Pieters....
The v-brace supports for the front seat back....are they on the back side
of the front seat facing the pilot or are they on the front side of the seat
back facing the engine?
I am understanding the plans to say the v-brace go on the front side of the
front seat back...
Correct?
KMHeide
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Front seat back |
----- Original Message -----
From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 12:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front seat back
Pieters....
The v-brace supports for the front seat back....are they on the
back side of the front seat facing the pilot or are they on the front
side of the seat back facing the engine?
I am understanding the plans to say the v-brace go on the front
side of the front seat back...
Correct?
KMHeide
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
www.grizzly.com 800-523-4777, H9698 pint kit, $14.95.
It's in a special catalog, pricing code CLRFLY 2010.
Normally $25 at AC Spruce.
I've been very happy with Grizzly products, especially my new 2HP mill
Jack
DSM
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Front seat back |
Sorry about that. I must have hit the 'reply' button by mistake.
Incidentally, I'm going to put the braces on the back of the seat and
move the attachments for the cabane struts back about an inch to clear
the braces I think that will also help in the weight and balance
problem of having the plane too tail heavy. Chuck
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Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Front seat back
----- Original Message -----
From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 12:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front seat back
Pieters....
The v-brace supports for the front seat back....are they on
the back side of the front seat facing the pilot or are they on the
front side of the seat back facing the engine?
I am understanding the plans to say the v-brace go on the
front side of the front seat back...
Correct?
KMHeide
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Does anyone know the originator of the logo in the picture I've attached? I'd
like to give them proper credit for my use of it. I've always liked the logo
and when I saw a discarded piece of plywood, in my mind the logo fit the plywood
perfectly so I plotted the logo out the size of the wood, cut out the pieces
and outlined them onto it with a pencil, and used a couple of leftover paints
to paint it. Took me a couple of enjoyable evenings in the garage with some
good blues music playing. Just something to decorate our hangar.
The original logo uses different colors than my "artwork"... I just used what I
had (antique white cabinet enamel, satin black latex house paint, and 'ripe avocado'
flat latex). Original logo also attached.
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San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| From: | "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey Oscar,
I think it is Grant Maclaren. That logo was on a T-shirt he sold at
Brodhead a couple of years. I think it was also on the BPA newsletter while
he was editor.
Skip
>
>
> Does anyone know the originator of the logo in the picture I've attached?
I'd like to give them proper credit for my use of it.
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
Oscar, Looks great!
Gene in beautiful cold Tennessee
Past caretaker of N502R
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From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 8:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet logo
>
> Does anyone know the originator of the logo in the picture I've attached?
> I'd like to give them proper credit for my use of it. I've always liked
> the logo and when I saw a discarded piece of plywood, in my mind the logo
> fit the plywood perfectly so I plotted the logo out the size of the wood,
> cut out the pieces and outlined them onto it with a pencil, and used a
> couple of leftover paints to paint it. Took me a couple of enjoyable
> evenings in the garage with some good blues music playing. Just something
> to decorate our hangar.
>
> The original logo uses different colors than my "artwork"... I just used
> what I had (antique white cabinet enamel, satin black latex house paint,
> and 'ripe avocado' flat latex). Original logo also attached.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> Air Camper NX41CC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Christmas Miracle |
As many on this list know, Gene Pennington, who signs his posts as "Gene in
Beautiful Tennessee", was diagnosed last spring with an incurable,
aggressive form of cancer called leiomyosarcoma. He sold his Pietenpol to
Ryan Mueller and I ferried it from Tennessee to Brodhead for Ryan, flying in
formation with Randy Bush.
I had not heard from Gene in several months so I gave him a call last week
to see how he was doing. I did not get him, but left a message on his
voicemail, and feared that his health was deteriorating.
Yesterday he called me, and to my great surprise and delight, he sounded
wonderful and strong. He told me that he had been so sick from his previous
chemotherapy treatments that he had just about decided to stop the
treatments and let the disease run its course (his initial prognosis from
Vanderbilt Hospital last spring had given him 2 - 3 months to live). He
went to see his Oncologist in Louisville, KY, who put him on a new chemo
drug. Monday, he went back for a CT Scan and checkup and the doctor
literally came jumping up and down in his office with the scan results. The
tumors were shrinking!
Bear in mind that this cancer is very rare, and has always been considered
untreatable. Remission is not possible. Until now.
Gene feels like he suddenly has a future again! He is already discussing
the possibility of building a Pietenpol, and may make the trek to Brodhead
this coming July. He flies every day the weather permits (he bought a Kolb
Slingshot shortly after he sold his Pietenpol), and feels better than he has
felt in months. I told him this was the best news I had received all year.
Just wanted to pass this on to the best group of people on the internet.
Merry Christmas!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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| From: | "Don Heringhaus" <don.h(at)wcoil.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Christmas Miracle |
He sounds like a cool guy so lets all send him a greeting since he is on
a good health roll.
Don in Ohio
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Front seat back |
I put mine on the back side where they don't get in the way of anything and make
the front seat more comfortable.
Jim
do no archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "KM Heide CPO/FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 9:30:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front seat back
Pieters....
The v-brace supports for the front seat back....are they on the back side of the
frontseat facing the pilot or are they on the front side of the seat back facing
the engine?
I am understanding the plans to say the v-brace go on the front side of the front
seat back...
Correct?
KMHeide
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| Subject: | Re: Christmas Miracle |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I sincerely believe that miracles do happen. Hang in there Gene!!
=C2-
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thu, Dec 9, 2010 10:35 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Christmas Miracle
As many on this list know, Gene Pennington, who signs his posts as
=9CGene in Beautiful Tennessee=9D, was diagnosed last spring with an
incurable, aggressive form of cancer called leiomyosarcoma.=C2- He sold h
is Pietenpol to Ryan Mueller and I ferried it from Tennessee to Brodhead fo
r Ryan, flying in formation with Randy Bush.
I had not heard from Gene in several months so I gave him a call last week
to see how he was doing.=C2- I did not get him, but left a message on his
voicemail, and feared that his health was deteriorating.
Yesterday he called me, and to my great surprise and delight, he sounded wo
nderful and strong.=C2- He told me that he had been so sick from his prev
ious chemotherapy treatments that he had just about decided to stop the tre
atments and let the disease run its course (his initial prognosis from Vand
erbilt Hospital last spring had given him 2 =93 3 months to live).=C2
- He went to see his Oncologist in Louisville, KY, who put him on a new c
hemo drug.=C2- Monday, he went back for a CT Scan and checkup and the doc
tor literally came jumping up and down in his office with the scan results.
=C2- The tumors were shrinking!=C2-
Bear in mind that this cancer is very rare, and has always been considered
untreatable.=C2- Remission is not possible.=C2- Until now.
Gene feels like he suddenly has a future again!=C2- He is already discuss
ing the possibility of building a Pietenpol, and may make the trek to Brodh
ead this coming July.=C2- He flies every day the weather permits (he boug
ht a Kolb Slingshot shortly after he sold his Pietenpol), and feels better
than he has felt in months.=C2- I told him this was the best news I had r
eceived all year.
Just wanted to pass this on to the best group of people on the internet.=C2
- Merry Christmas!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Raleigh, NC
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Salute to the healing in Gene Pennington's body ! A |
Christmas Miracle
What fantastic news that is indeed Jack and I'm THRILLED to hear your repor
t about how good Gene is doing in light of such
a grave prognosis last spring.
What a Merry Christmas this will be for Gene and his family. Time to kee
p him in even more prayer that his tumors will continue
to shrink and that he'll be healed of this disease.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Front seat back |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Ditto
rick
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Jim Boyer wrote:
>
> I put mine on the back side where they don't get in the way of anything and
> make the front seat more comfortable.
> Jim
>
> do no archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "KM Heide CPO/FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
> To: "Pietenpol"
> Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 9:30:16 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front seat back
>
> Pieters....
>
>
> The v-brace supports for the front seat back....are they on the back side
> of the front seat facing the pilot or are they on the front side of the seat
> back facing the engine?
>
> I am understanding the plans to say the v-brace go on the front side of the
> front seat back...
>
> Correct?
>
> KMHeide
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Christmas Miracle |
This is indeed good news and entirely appropriate for this Christmas
season! GOD IS GOOD!
Gene, your fight is not without purpose - you are an inspiration to us
all. Because of your struggle Ryan and Jess have a beautiful new
Pietenpol and I reaped the benefit of Ryan's Corvair project, plus got
to make a very enjoyable trip to Chicago to pick it up and meet the
Muellers. Jack P. was blessed with a memorable flight to deliver your
Piet to Brodhead which produced several photos that grace desktops
across the Matronics list. Lest it seem too maudlin - we are thinking of
you and our prayers are with you.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
>>> "Jack Phillips" 12/9/2010 10:31 AM >>>
As many on this list know, Gene Pennington, who signs his posts as
Gene in Beautiful Tennessee, was diagnosed last spring with an
incurable, aggressive form of cancer called leiomyosarcoma. He sold his
Pietenpol to Ryan Mueller and I ferried it from Tennessee to Brodhead
for Ryan, flying in formation with Randy Bush.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
Oscar,
You can search "LOGO" and find some answers. Pretty sure there was an issue with
this logo in that Grant WOULD NOT allow it's copy or use.
--------
PAPA MIKE
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322773#322773
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| Subject: | Re: Christmas Miracle |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
God is Good. I am so proud for you Gene. I like the sound of that! I have a friend
that got a similar prognosis with a brain tumor. It was inoperable so he got
treatments. He is still living a good life after 10 or so years. You are in
my prayers
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322774#322774
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Christmas Miracle |
The people and miracles and attitudes and friendliness and honor and selflessness.....of
the people in this community just keeps shining beyond belief.
I can't even imagine how wonderful Gene and his family must feel right now. What
wonderful news.
Really helps put life's "little" annoyances in perspective.
JM
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips
Sent: Dec 9, 2010 10:31 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Christmas Miracle
As many on this list know, Gene Pennington, who signs his posts as Gene in Beautiful
Tennessee, was diagnosed last spring with an incurable, aggressive form
of cancer called leiomyosarcoma. He sold his Pietenpol to Ryan Mueller and I
ferried it from Tennessee to Brodhead for Ryan, flying in formation with Randy
Bush.
I had not heard from Gene in several months so I gave him a call last week to see
how he was doing. I did not get him, but left a message on his voicemail,
and feared that his health was deteriorating.
Yesterday he called me, and to my great surprise and delight, he sounded wonderful
and strong. He told me that he had been so sick from his previous chemotherapy
treatments that he had just about decided to stop the treatments and let
the disease run its course (his initial prognosis from Vanderbilt Hospital last
spring had given him 2 3 months to live). He went to see his Oncologist in
Louisville, KY, who put him on a new chemo drug. Monday, he went back for a
CT Scan and checkup and the doctor literally came jumping up and down in his
office with the scan results. The tumors were shrinking!
Bear in mind that this cancer is very rare, and has always been considered untreatable.
Remission is not possible. Until now.
Gene feels like he suddenly has a future again! He is already discussing the possibility
of building a Pietenpol, and may make the trek to Brodhead this coming
July. He flies every day the weather permits (he bought a Kolb Slingshot
shortly after he sold his Pietenpol), and feels better than he has felt in months.
I told him this was the best news I had received all year.
Just wanted to pass this on to the best group of people on the internet. Merry
Christmas!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP Icarus Plummet
Raleigh, NC
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Christmas Miracle |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Best news I have heard all year. Will be praying for your complete recovery
Gene.
rick
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Jack Phillips wrote
:
> As many on this list know, Gene Pennington, who signs his posts as =93Ge
ne
> in Beautiful Tennessee=94, was diagnosed last spring with an incurable,
> aggressive form of cancer called leiomyosarcoma. He sold his Pietenpol t
o
> Ryan Mueller and I ferried it from Tennessee to Brodhead for Ryan, flying
in
> formation with Randy Bush
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Chistmas miracle |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
My best friend's mother was diagnosed with breast cancer back in 1978. She
had treatments and after awhile was told there was nothing more to do but p
ray. Many people indeed did that- and she proceeded to live until 2009, die
ing of old age!! God's ways are not our ways.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Corvair Donation |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Howdy,I have a corvair engine stripped down and bead blasted.All correct numbers
and in good shape.I will donate it to a worthy kid building a Piet.It has not
been built.Its Corvair parts to build it.William Wynne book never registered
in mint condition.I will crate it up on my dime if you'll pay for it to be shipped.Know
a worthy Kid? Must be a youngster under 21!
Dave
--------
Covering Piet
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322789#322789
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Christmas Miracle |
Gene,
In addition to Tom, I also was the favorable recipient of parts that
Ryan & Jess did not need after the purchase of your Piet. The carburetor
that they had intended to use is now on my Corvair, which fired up for
the first time (after 6 years) last October! I=99ll be at Brodhead
in 2011 (by ground transportation), and expect to meet you then.
Prayers for your continuing recovery,
Gary Boothe
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Christmas Miracle
This is indeed good news and entirely appropriate for this Christmas
season! GOD IS GOOD!
Gene, your fight is not without purpose - you are an inspiration to us
all. Because of your struggle Ryan and Jess have a beautiful new
Pietenpol and I reaped the benefit of Ryan's Corvair project, plus got
to make a very enjoyable trip to Chicago to pick it up and meet the
Muellers. Jack P. was blessed with a memorable flight to deliver your
Piet to Brodhead which produced several photos that grace desktops
across the Matronics list. Lest it seem too maudlin - we are thinking of
you and our prayers are with you.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
>>> "Jack Phillips" 12/9/2010 10:31 AM >>>
As many on this list know, Gene Pennington, who signs his posts as
=9CGene in Beautiful Tennessee=9D, was diagnosed last spring
with an incurable, aggressive form of cancer called leiomyosarcoma. He
sold his Pietenpol to Ryan Mueller and I ferried it from Tennessee to
Brodhead for Ryan, flying in formation with Randy Bush.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Jim and Rick
Yes it seems to be a point of confusion and that is the reason I asked. It
clearly says 3/4"x3 filler for strut fitting on the long fuselage plans but
if you move the fitting back your center struts (front and back) will no
longer be parallel. Then if you swing your wing back to adjust the CG you
will also change the angle of incidence. Not what we want. What we want is
to keep them parallel. The important measurement is the 28.5" measurement
which happens to be the center to center measurement of the wing spars and
the distance between the verticals in the fuselage sides, which is where the
plans show to attach the fitting. I think regardless of where the rear
fitting is mounted, the front should be 28.5 inches away. I plan on putting
the fitting on the filler block and measuring forward 28.5 and if needed
install another filler block. In reality, I bet there are a bunch of Piets
out there flying with the fittings in various locations.
Anyone have a picture of the last original that shows this fitting (on the
inside under the instrument panel)? All the pictures I have on the website
do show this area.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Front seat back |
Chris, that is what I intend to do -- move both the fittings back the
same distance to keep the two cabane struts the same distance apart as
the spars in the wing.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 3:16 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Front seat back
Jim and Rick
Yes it seems to be a point of confusion and that is the reason I
asked. It clearly says 3/4"x3 filler for strut fitting on the long
fuselage plans but if you move the fitting back your center struts
(front and back) will no longer be parallel. Then if you swing your
wing back to adjust the CG you will also change the angle of incidence.
Not what we want. What we want is to keep them parallel. The important
measurement is the 28.5" measurement which happens to be the center to
center measurement of the wing spars and the distance between the
verticals in the fuselage sides, which is where the plans show to attach
the fitting. I think regardless of where the rear fitting is mounted,
the front should be 28.5 inches away. I plan on putting the fitting on
the filler block and measuring forward 28.5 and if needed install
another filler block. In reality, I bet there are a bunch of Piets out
there flying with the fittings in various locations.
Anyone have a picture of the last original that shows this fitting (on
the inside under the instrument panel)? All the pictures I have on the
website do show this area.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Flying like a Peregrine Falcon |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
The video in this link is about the fastest two birds on the planet...
ENJOY!
http://wimp.com/camerabirds/
--------
Tom Kreiner
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322824#322824
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bentoncountycable.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Christmas Miracle |
My sincere thanks to all for your best wishes and Prayers. Looking
forward to seeing all of you at Broadhead 2011.
Gene in Beautiful Tennessee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Christmas Miracle |
Gene,
We are all elated that you are doing so much better. Keep up the good fight.
Merry Christmas,
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene & Tammy
Sent: Dec 10, 2010 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Christmas Miracle
My sincere thanks to all for your best wishes and Prayers. Looking forward to
seeing all of you at Broadhead 2011.
Gene in Beautiful Tennessee
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Front seat back |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
I've never had a passenger complain about the diagonals bothering them on the front
of the seat back. I think they angle up to the longeron enough to not be
a problem. One of the things about the Piet that adds character I guess.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322845#322845
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| Subject: | Re: Flying like a Peregrine Falcon |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Wow, if reincarnation is true then I want to come back as one of those when
I kick the bucket. Makes you think though if a Pietenpol was a bird what
kind of bird would it be? Probably not a Falcon.
rick
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 6:19 AM, tkreiner wrote:
>
> The video in this link is about the fastest two birds on the planet...
>
> ENJOY!
>
> http://wimp.com/camerabirds/
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322824#322824
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying like a Peregrine Falcon |
I have seen a few PBS shows on the Peregrine, but this video is awesome! Pr
oblem is, now I have another mod that I want to do...variable geometry wing
s.- Maybe I'll just tell myself doing so will just add weight and forget
about it.
-
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Front seat back |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Chris,
I don't have my cabane strut fittings in place yet, but I did notice this apparent
oversight in the plans when I was putting my fuselage sides together. The
filler block makes sense, since there will be interference between wood and metal
at that location IF the cabane fittings are fastened to the vertical sticks.
Therefore it makes sense to shift the fittings about an inch to the rear -
hence the filler block. But as you noted, if a filler is only added at the rear
fitting, the cabanes will not end up parallel. That's why I also put filler
blocks in at the front attachment points as well. Notes and photos can be found
here:
http://mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReportDetail.cfm?BuildLogID=2535&PlaneID=510&FName=Bill&LName=Church&PlaneName=Air Camper
Bill C.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Christmas Miracle |
God Bless You Gene, NOTHING can keep a good man down!=C2- It's up to the
Man upstairs, and our will to get better, that keeps us strong.=C2- I wil
l remember you in my prayers, and hope to meet you in Brodhead 2011.
=C2-
Shad
--- On Thu, 12/9/10, Jack Phillips wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Christmas Miracle
Date: Thursday, December 9, 2010, 11:31 AM
As many on this list know, Gene Pennington, who signs his posts as
=9CGene in Beautiful Tennessee=9D, was diagnosed last spring with an
incurable, aggressive form of cancer called leiomyosarcoma.=C2- He sold h
is Pietenpol to Ryan Mueller and I ferried it from Tennessee to Brodhead fo
r Ryan, flying in formation with Randy Bush.
I had not heard from Gene in several months so I gave him a call last week
to see how he was doing.=C2- I did not get him, but left a message on his
voicemail, and feared that his health was deteriorating.
Yesterday he called me, and to my great surprise and delight, he sounded wo
nderful and strong.=C2- He told me that he had been so sick from his prev
ious chemotherapy treatments that he had just about decided to stop the tre
atments and let the disease run its course (his initial prognosis from Vand
erbilt Hospital last spring had given him 2 =93 3 months to live).=C2
- He went to see his Oncologist in Louisville, KY, who put him on a new c
hemo drug.=C2- Monday, he went back for a CT Scan and checkup and the doc
tor literally came jumping up and down in his office with the scan results.
=C2- The tumors were shrinking!=C2-
Bear in mind that this cancer is very rare, and has always been considered
untreatable.=C2- Remission is not possible.=C2- Until now.
Gene feels like he suddenly has a future again!=C2- He is already discuss
ing the possibility of building a Pietenpol, and may make the trek to Brodh
ead this coming July.=C2- He flies every day the weather permits (he boug
ht a Kolb Slingshot shortly after he sold his Pietenpol), and feels better
than he has felt in months.=C2- I told him this was the best news I had r
eceived all year.
Just wanted to pass this on to the best group of people on the internet.=C2
- Merry Christmas!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Raleigh, NC
=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: Oh Holy Night -Celtic Woman |
FW: Oh Holy Night -Celtic WomanIf this doesn't get you in the REAL
CHRISTmas spirit -- nothing will. MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone. Hope
your's is as wonderful as the Lord can make it!!!
Chuck
Subject: Oh Holy Night -Celtic Woman
Celtic Woman live from the Helix Center in Dublin, Ireland
performing A Christmas Celebration.
THIS IS JUST BEAUTIFUL!!!!
Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDeXUvWbLp8
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDeXUvWbLp8> Click here
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair Donation |
Dave, if you can't find a kid under 21 how about an old man over 85? I'll
take it in a heart beat!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 7:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Donation
>
> Howdy,I have a corvair engine stripped down and bead blasted.All correct
> numbers and in good shape.I will donate it to a worthy kid building a
> Piet.It has not been built.Its Corvair parts to build it.William Wynne
> book never registered in mint condition.I will crate it up on my dime if
> you'll pay for it to be shipped.Know a worthy Kid? Must be a youngster
> under 21!
> Dave
>
> --------
> Covering Piet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322789#322789
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | FW: Pietenpol Preamble |
>
> Members:
>
> Here is the Pietenpol
> Preamble for your garage wall! Thanks to Mike Cuy for his
> Wisdom, insights, and garage logic!
>
>
> Ken Heide
> Hawley, MN
>
>
> - - -
- - - =0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Push-pull control rod |
Fellow pieters:
-
Any members have photos thay can share on the push-pull rods. I am looking
for control stick connections, behind the seat set-up and bell crank connec
tion. Any assistance in the size, material, and-parts used for this set-u
p is much appreicated.
-
KMHeide
Hawley, MN-
-
=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Push-pull control rod |
KM,
These 3 may show mine the best. Let me know what questions may arise.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(23 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide
CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 10:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull control rod
Fellow pieters:
Any members have photos thay can share on the push-pull rods. I am looking
for control stick connections, behind the seat set-up and bell crank
connection. Any assistance in the size, material, and parts used for this
set-up is much appreicated.
KMHeide
Hawley, MN
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FW: Pietenpol Preamble |
| From: | Kimball Isaac <kim.integrity(at)gmail.com> |
I feel honoured that I was the first to receive Mike's very well worded
"Wisdom,insight, and garage logic" in reply to my introduction.
I have printed this to have it handy for reference and when I need
encouragement. Thanks again Mike, and also thanks to Ken for putting it
together in a nice formatting for printing and sharing.
On 2010-12-11 10:09 AM, "KM Heide CPO/FAAOP" wrote:
>
>
>> >
>> > Members:
>> >
>> > Here is the Pietenpol
>> > Preamble for your garage wall! Thanks to Mike Cuy for his
>> > Wisdom, insights, and garage logic!
>> >
>> >
>> > Ken Heide
>> > Hawley, MN
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
| Subject: | Push-pull control rod |
I have some pictures on my web site of the control tubes etc.
Have a look at http://www.cpc-world.com/main.php?insert_file=photos103.php.
The only thing I did notice was that the rod ends on the tube under the rear
seat did not allow full stick side by side movement with out undoing the rod
end a fraction of a turn.
There were plenty of threads left and there was no way it was going to fall
out so I left it as is. Not problems in use.
I think I used 1/2 inch tubing if I remember correctly.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide
CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Sunday, 12 December 2010 5:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull control rod
Fellow pieters:
Any members have photos thay can share on the push-pull rods. I am looking
for control stick connections, behind the seat set-up and bell crank
connection. Any assistance in the size, material, and parts used for this
set-up is much appreicated.
KMHeide
Hawley, MN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Push-pull control rod |
Ken.
1/2" .035 tubing will be sufficient. Use quality rod-end bearings. Keep
the control movement ratio the same as the plans.
On NX18235 we constructed the pivot point aft of the seat to resist
lateral movment.
Sorry, no pictures.
Greg C.
Digging out from 20" of fresh snow in Minneapolis.
----- Original Message -----
From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull control rod
Fellow pieters:
Any members have photos thay can share on the push-pull rods. I
am looking for control stick connections, behind the seat set-up and
bell crank connection. Any assistance in the size, material, and parts
used for this set-up is much appreicated.
KMHeide
Hawley, MN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: Pietenpol Preamble |
My computer tells me it can't open this thing.
Clif
> Here is the Pietenpol
> Preamble for your garage wall! Thanks to Mike Cuy for his
> Wisdom, insights, and garage logic!
> Ken Heide
> Hawley, MN
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FW: Pietenpol Preamble |
| From: | Kimball Isaac <kim.integrity(at)gmail.com> |
Cliff
I opened it with Microsoft word
Kim
On 2010-12-11 7:42 PM, "Clif Dawson" wrote:
> My computer tells me it can't open this thing.
>
> Clif
>
>
> > Here is the Pietenpol
> > Preamble for your garage wall! Thanks to Mike Cuy for his
> > Wisdom, insights, and garage logic!
> > Ken Heide
> > Hawley, MN
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: Pietenpol Preamble |
Try this one....
-----Original Message-----
From: Clif Dawson
Sent: Dec 11, 2010 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Pietenpol Preamble
My computer tells me it can't open this
thing.
Clif
> Here is the Pietenpol
> Preamble for
your garage wall! Thanks to Mike Cuy for his
> Wisdom, insights,
and garage logic!
> Ken Heide
> Hawley,
MN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "amsafetyc(at)aol.com" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: Pietenpol Preamble |
Certainly worthy of printing.sharing and posting in our shops it captures
the essence of who and what we are.
John
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 12, 2010 03:59:31 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Pietenpol Preamble
Try this one....
-----Original Message-----
From: Clif Dawson
Sent: Dec 11, 2010 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Pietenpol Preamble
My computer tells me it can't open this
thing.
Clif
> Here is the Pietenpol
> Preamble for
your garage wall! Thanks to Mike Cuy for his
> Wisdom, insights,
and garage logic!
> Ken Heide
> Hawley,
MN
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: Pietenpol Preamble |
Thanks Jim.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Pietenpol Preamble
> Try this one....
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: Clif Dawson
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> Sent: Dec 11, 2010 9:37 PM
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> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
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> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Pietenpol Preamble
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> My computer tells me it can't open this
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> Clif
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> > Here is the Pietenpol
>> Preamble for
> your garage wall! Thanks to Mike Cuy for his
>> Wisdom, insights,
> and garage logic!
>> Ken Heide
>> Hawley,
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| From: | johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au |
| Subject: | Re: Push-pull control rod |
Peter,
In the photo of the push rod attached to the bell crank, which of the three holes
gave you the best fore/aft stick movement for elevator control?
Also are the bell crank holes for the elevator cables the same distance apart as
the elevator control horn holes?
This would alleviation the slack cable syndrome reported by many.
The same would hold true of the rudder cables. Simple geometry.
JohnW
Perth West Aust
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Sunday, 12 December, 2010 8:09:01 AM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong
Kong / Urumqi
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull control rod
I have some pictures on my web site of the control tubes etc.
Have a look at http://www.cpc-world.com/main.php?insert_file=photos103.php .
The only thing I did notice was that the rod ends on the tube under the rear seat
did not allow full stick side by side movement with out undoing the rod end
a fraction of a turn.
There were plenty of threads left and there was no way it was going to fall out
so I left it as is. Not problems in use.
I think I used 1/2 inch tubing if I remember correctly.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Sunday, 12 December 2010 5:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull control rod
Fellow pieters:
Any members have photos thay can share on the push-pull rods. I am looking for
control stick connections, behind the seat set-up and bell crank connection. Any
assistance in the size, material, and parts used for this set-up is much appreicated.
KMHeide
Hawley, MN
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| From: | "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
| Subject: | Push-pull control rod |
John,
I left the push rod in the hole shown. The stick was right in the gut on
landing (except when I fluffed it!!!) and felt fine in general flying.
The bell crank holes were as plans.
Cheers
Peter
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au
Sent: Sunday, 12 December 2010 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull control rod
Peter,
In the photo of the push rod attached to the bell crank, which of the
three holes gave you the best fore/aft stick movement for elevator
control?
Also are the bell crank holes for the elevator cables the same distance
apart as the elevator control horn holes?
This would alleviation the slack cable syndrome reported by many.
The same would hold true of the rudder cables. Simple geometry.
JohnW
Perth West Aust
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Sunday, 12 December, 2010 8:09:01 AM GMT +08:00 Beijing /
Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull control rod
I have some pictures on my web site of the control tubes etc.
Have a look at
http://www.cpc-world.com/main.php?insert_file=photos103.php.
The only thing I did notice was that the rod ends on the tube under the
rear seat did not allow full stick side by side movement with out
undoing the rod end a fraction of a turn.
There were plenty of threads left and there was no way it was going to
fall out so I left it as is. Not problems in use.
I think I used 1/2 inch tubing if I remember correctly.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide
CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Sunday, 12 December 2010 5:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull control rod
Fellow pieters:
Any members have photos thay can share on the push-pull rods. I am
looking for control stick connections, behind the seat set-up and bell
crank connection. Any assistance in the size, material, and parts used
for this set-up is much appreicated.
KMHeide
Hawley, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
All done on the Dyno, the results are posted below as well as another video link
of run #8. we installed and electronic ignition on these last runs and it made
a huge difference on how smooth the engine is now. it starts and idles smooth
as glass now, and gained a few more hp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLOP01rFf_k
DYNO RESULTS
12-11-10
ADDED ELECTROMOTIVE ELECTRONIC IGNITION
RPM LBFT HP
2000 132.8 50.6
2100 143.8 57.5
2200 150.3 63.0
2300 154.8 67.8
2400 157.4 71.9
2500 158.9 75.6
2600 158.9 78.7
2700 159.3 81.9
2800 159.0 84.8
2900 158.3 87.4
3000 157.1 89.7
3100 155.2 91.6
2550 153.8 75.0 AVERAGE
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323113#323113
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| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Looks good Chris, what does it weigh?
rick
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Chris Rusch wrote:
> >
>
> All done on the Dyno, the results are posted below as well as another video
> link of run #8. we installed and electronic ignition on these last runs and
> it made a huge difference on how smooth the engine is now. it starts and
> idles smooth as glass now, and gained a few more hp.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLOP01rFf_k
>
>
> DYNO RESULTS
> 12-11-10
> ADDED ELECTROMOTIVE ELECTRONIC IGNITION
>
> RPM LBFT HP
>
> 2000 132.8 50.6
> 2100 143.8 57.5
> 2200 150.3 63.0
> 2300 154.8 67.8
> 2400 157.4 71.9
> 2500 158.9 75.6
> 2600 158.9 78.7
> 2700 159.3 81.9
> 2800 159.0 84.8
> 2900 158.3 87.4
> 3000 157.1 89.7
> 3100 155.2 91.6
>
>
> 2550 153.8 75.0 AVERAGE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323113#323113
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
247, almost identical to the model A
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... |
Can it be run inverted?
>
>247, almost identical to the model A
>
>
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>
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Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Another Piet back in the air |
Lowell Durham of Milaca, Mn built and flew this Pietenpol a number of
years ago. It sat in a barn for 9 years until purchased earlier this
year by Bob Poore. Bob got it back in flying condition as you can see in
the attached picture.
Will we see it a Brodhead this year Bob?
Greg C.
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Another Piet back in the air |
That's a great picture.
And congrats to Bob!
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cardinal
Sent: Dec 12, 2010 8:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet back in the air
Lowell Durham of Milaca, Mn built and flew this
Pietenpol a number of years ago. It sat in a barn for 9 years until purchased
earlier this year by Bob Poore. Bob got it back in flying condition as you can
see in the attached picture.
Will we see it a Brodhead this year
Bob?
Greg C.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | mitsubishi engine |
Congratulations Chris on completing this project, and beautiful work!!
Since your plane isn't ready to fly yet, can you get a hold of a couple of
props to bolt use so we can see what she can really do? I'd love to see how
she'd spin up something like a 76X42 as a baseline.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
it would need a dry sump oiling system and a return line in the valve cover.......i
am not sure how good the cooling would work. I never could figure out how
they kept oil out of the cylinders with inverted systems, i would think hydraulic
locking would be a problem while the engine sits for awhile.
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| Subject: | Re: mitsubishi engine |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
Thanks Douwe!
I have a brand new 76 x 42 prop from Culver just waiting to be spun, that is the
next step. I need to throw the engine on the mount and wire everything thing
up for good. I have all the pieces of the puzzle, just need to assemble everything.
Chris
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... |
I always wondered about the oil accumulation issue, too. From what
I've read, when DeHavilland created the Gypsy engine, they simply
inverted a Cirrus, did a few mods similar to what you describe but
not much else, and they were surprised it all worked so easily. Does
anyone here on the list know about such? I don't have the information
in front of me or I'd give a source. Surely it can't be that simple?
>
>it would need a dry sump oiling system and a return line in the
>valve cover.......i am not sure how good the cooling would work. I
>never could figure out how they kept oil out of the cylinders with
>inverted systems, i would think hydraulic locking would be a problem
>while the engine sits for awhile.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323154#323154
>
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) |
| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
Here you go.......
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=81288
--------
PAPA MIKE
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| Subject: | Old Technologyies meet |
| From: | "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net> |
Brought my completely rebuilt C85-12 engine back to the shop today to be mounted
on the Piet. A morality boost to continue forward.
--------
Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Inverting a Ford B is very simple, Check out the Funk Akron 200 Engine. If anyone
is interested check out the Pietenpol that I flew to Oshkosh in 1988 and JoBeth
Barret flew to Oshkosh in 1999.
Oil is kept out of the cylinders by a 1 " high S.S. ring bolted to the cylinder
opening by 2 each, 10-32 screws.
After the Funk engine sat in storage for 5 years, I pulled it out and with good
gas and a few blades to check for lock,It started 2Nd blade. With a little smoke
it cleared very soon.
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Another Piet back in the air |
| From: | "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com> |
He could put some ski's on it...
- Pat
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Patrick Hoyt
XLb/650 Canopy/BRS/Corvair
N63PZ - 99.999% done....
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... |
Pieti,
Excellent information!
Thanks,
Jeff
>
>Inverting a Ford B is very simple, Check out the Funk Akron 200
>Engine. If anyone is interested check out the Pietenpol that I flew
>to Oshkosh in 1988 and JoBeth Barret flew to Oshkosh in 1999.
>Oil is kept out of the cylinders by a 1 " high S.S. ring bolted to
>the cylinder opening by 2 each, 10-32 screws.
>After the Funk engine sat in storage for 5 years, I pulled it out
>and with good gas and a few blades to check for lock,It started 2Nd
>blade. With a little smoke it cleared very soon.
>Pieti Lowell
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323233#323233
>
>
--
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Soon will be building |
Not being the purest as many I guess I suppose you can considered I
cheated, however in terms of my own self satisfaction I used West System epoxy,
close fitting joints and clamps along with brads and staples shot from a
pneumatic gun. I wanted to be well assured that the pins would help my clamps
and joints stay tight and strong. Not that I would be critical of others
using just clamps and epoxy, or rubber bands with flour and water paste, its
just me and who I am.
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