Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-kd
February 10, 2011 - February 17, 2011
Look at that wing profile in a couple of those pics.
It's a round nosed, pointy tailed plank.
Bernard even had to undercut the bottom of his to get
more lift.
So by smoothing the nose profile as much as possible
a little bit more was gained by not allowing the profile
to sink flatter between the ribs.
Clif
> The Brown B-2 "Miss Los Angeles" flew at over 230 mph with the only
> reinforcement to the fabric covering being some false ribs supporting an
> extra layer of fabric from the leading edge to the spar.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4590350390/in/photostream/
easier, quicker, and cheaper than fussing with plywood or aluminum leading
edges, and lighter to boot. What say y'all?
> Bill Frank
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: steel fuselage and engine weight |
Don't forget the rad and water. Another 15lb??
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: steel fuselage and engine weight
The Corvair as Bernard converted it was probably pretty close to the
weight of the Model A. If I recall correctly, the Model A is listed at
roughly 245 lbs.
Ryan
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Room For Bungee Cord |
I can't remember what they weigh but it's more than wire.
At the time I couldn't find any wire ones and these were
cheap. In my budget, in other words. I knew I was going
to cover them so I didn't see the modern look as a downside.
Clif
Never thought about some cast wheels and covers...very cool.
(Nice little modification.)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Additionally, and the experts can correct me, my sense is that the leading edge
plywood provides significant stiffness to the structure. Don't think I'd consider
building the wing without said plywood.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330402#330402
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Mark's tall. I built mine to 36" & cut them down to 32" when I had the chance
(4'X16').
Kevin
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330403#330403
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Section Hinges |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
There are still a WHOLE BUNCH of metal pieces to make even after you've paid Mr.
Kappler for the hinges.
Use the guy for mentorship/training on the other pieces, Tom. Looks like a great
resource.
Kevin
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330404#330404
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedals |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi Jack - I used metal washers. May have put a little grease in there, but don't
remember.
Kevin
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330405#330405
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| Subject: | Corvair for sale on Barnstormers |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
FRESH CORVAIR ENGINE $4,800 WOW! Nearly completed conversion - All William Wynn's
Gold components, 5th bearing, All new. great deal!. Contact Eric D. Klee,
Owner - located Hudson, FL USA Telephone: 813-294-7957 . 813-901-5666 . Posted
February 9, 2011
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330410#330410
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
Don't know about expert=2C but in the case of the Piet=2C the plywood does
not add to the stiffness at all. The 1/16 okume ply I used is little bette
r than the cardboard Bernard supposedly used. I did consider just putting
an extra layer of fabric around the leading edge and letting the nose scall
op like many aircraft do=2C but decided that I would need to add extra nose
ribs for it to look right and I did not want the extra weight.
Gene
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
> From: kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil
> Date: Thu=2C 10 Feb 2011 00:56:14 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
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> Additionally=2C and the experts can correct me=2C my sense is that the le
ading edge plywood provides significant stiffness to the structure. Don't t
hink I'd consider building the wing without said plywood.
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> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown=2C TX
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedals |
On 2/9/2011 8:49 PM, Jack wrote:
>
> A couple of questionson the pedals. The plans call for them to be
> mounted 2inches from the firewall. Is that enoughdistance? I'm
> planning to place a washer between the pedal and the bracket. Should
> it be metal, fiber, plastic, etc?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
> <<...>>
>
The location works fine for me. I would change out the bolts on the
hinges with some drilled for cotter pins, since that is a working
connection. I used regular AN washers for my spacers.
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Yes, I am tall.... I might be able to look OVER the wing.
I also can't spell dimensions. [Embarassed]
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330415#330415
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedals |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Yes I plan to do that, just didn't have any. Thanks
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Ben Charvet wrote:
> DSM
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| Subject: | Pietenpol wanted! |
| From: | "pilotjkl" <pilot(at)fehrsmetalbuilding.com> |
Hi all! I am wanting to buy a Pietenpol flying or project if you have one or know
of one for sale please let me know,
Thank you in advance
John 432-209-6870 west Texas
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330432#330432
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol wanted! |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Precious Pete
Basic Pietenpol
85 HP Continental
Enlarged, extended 2-piece wing
Steel tube fuselage
Roomy cockpits
Metal prop
Flies great!
Contact Roger White 918-698-3771.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330436#330436
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Wow guys! Many thanks for all the info...
I had to let my EAA national membership lapse due to the financial
crisis of the last year and 2 months, but I plan to renew soon and I
can access the plans they have on the EAA download site.
Seems simple enough to just build a table, but I thought I'd ask y'all
because of the 'Round shoulders, flat forehead" syndrome I suffer
from. It's the result of the moment when you shrug your shoulders, and
slap your forehead once you see something and say "Why didn't I think
of that BEFORE I built my table!"
I have so much room in the barn that I am considering one long table
versus separate ones, but that may change when I actually start the
project. I had been planning the ribs and wing first due to space, but
I might start the fuse (more desirable) and then I have the mounting
point for all the rest. Besides, you just can't sit on a wing and make
airplane noises as well as you can a fuse.
Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in
Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to
an old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He
owns a steel fabrication company, and has a laser cutting machine for
his fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem!
Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!"
Yes Gary Boothe, I know it's cheating. And yes, I know how long it
took you to make your parts. But I am relieved! :oD
Thanks again for all the advice. I hope to post some pics in the next few weeks.
Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
Mark
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:52 AM, K5YAC wrote:
>
> Yes, I am tall.... I might be able to look OVER the wing.
>
> I also can't spell dimensions. [Embarassed]
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330415#330415
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
I made mine from old closet doors and 2x4's and welder's jack stands. It looks
crude and is I guess but very temporary. All the doors will go back in overhead
storage when the build is done. The jack stands make for a very rigid table
and precise leveling. It is 3' X 32' for the 1 piece wing.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330445#330445
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Mark,
If you know a guy who'll laser cut your parts, go for it!
But here's what I have learned about rib building: If you build the ribs first,
you can be done in 30 days; if you get distracted by other parts, it could take
3 years! Pretty soon you get a nasty-gram from Kevin or Ryan, more or less
saying, "Good God, Man! Just finish the ribs, already!"
Gary Boothe
3 to go...
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 07:57:02
a good fuse workbench
Wow guys! Many thanks for all the info...
I had to let my EAA national membership lapse due to the financial
crisis of the last year and 2 months, but I plan to renew soon and I
can access the plans they have on the EAA download site.
Seems simple enough to just build a table, but I thought I'd ask y'all
because of the 'Round shoulders, flat forehead" syndrome I suffer
from. It's the result of the moment when you shrug your shoulders, and
slap your forehead once you see something and say "Why didn't I think
of that BEFORE I built my table!"
I have so much room in the barn that I am considering one long table
versus separate ones, but that may change when I actually start the
project. I had been planning the ribs and wing first due to space, but
I might start the fuse (more desirable) and then I have the mounting
point for all the rest. Besides, you just can't sit on a wing and make
airplane noises as well as you can a fuse.
Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in
Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to
an old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He
owns a steel fabrication company, and has a laser cutting machine for
his fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem!
Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!"
Yes Gary Boothe, I know it's cheating. And yes, I know how long it
took you to make your parts. But I am relieved! :oD
Thanks again for all the advice. I hope to post some pics in the next few weeks.
Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
Mark
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:52 AM, K5YAC wrote:
>
> Yes, I am tall.... I might be able to look OVER the wing.
>
> I also can't spell dimensions. [Embarassed]
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330415#330415
>
>
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Mark.
Good to see you back. If you are serious about starting a Piet you might w
ant to consider coming 40 miles south and look at ours before we blow it ap
art for fabric. We are just about ready to do that. In about 6 weeks it w
ill be in pieces again for fabric. We have photos of some of the jigs we m
ade that worked and could give some guidance on things that could be done w
rong. Yes=2C we did have a couple of things that after close examination h
ad to be redone. It Happens. Bring a camera and take photos. It is not l
ike we have the ideal plane or know all the answers. We don't. We have=2C
however=2C gone through the process and have a result. We found that grab
bing ideas from other builders that had gone before us saved a lot of head
scratching and avoided a lot of missteps.
Besides=2C we would like to see you again. Come and see us=2C we are not f
ar away. Vic and Mike Groah.
Ps. Any other Piet guys are welcome too. Just contact us. vgroah@hotmail
.com
> Date: Thu=2C 10 Feb 2011 07:57:02 -0800
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
> From: mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
>
> Wow guys! Many thanks for all the info...
>
> I had to let my EAA national membership lapse due to the financial
> crisis of the last year and 2 months=2C but I plan to renew soon and I
> can access the plans they have on the EAA download site.
>
> Seems simple enough to just build a table=2C but I thought I'd ask y'all
> because of the 'Round shoulders=2C flat forehead" syndrome I suffer
> from. It's the result of the moment when you shrug your shoulders=2C and
> slap your forehead once you see something and say "Why didn't I think
> of that BEFORE I built my table!"
>
> I have so much room in the barn that I am considering one long table
> versus separate ones=2C but that may change when I actually start the
> project. I had been planning the ribs and wing first due to space=2C but
> I might start the fuse (more desirable) and then I have the mounting
> point for all the rest. Besides=2C you just can't sit on a wing and make
> airplane noises as well as you can a fuse.
>
> Oh=2C one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in
> Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to
> an old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He
> owns a steel fabrication company=2C and has a laser cutting machine for
> his fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem!
> Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!"
>
> Yes Gary Boothe=2C I know it's cheating. And yes=2C I know how long it
> took you to make your parts. But I am relieved! :oD
>
> Thanks again for all the advice. I hope to post some pics in the next few
weeks.
>
> Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
>
> Mark
>
> On Thu=2C Feb 10=2C 2011 at 5:52 AM=2C K5YAC wrote:
> >
> > Yes=2C I am tall.... I might be able to look OVER the wing.
> >
> > I also can't spell dimensions. [Embarassed]
> >
> > --------
> > Mark Chouinard
> > Wings=2C Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330415#330415
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in Sketch Up
and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to an old acquaintance
I have recently renewed a relationship with. He owns a steel fabrication company,
and has a laser cutting machine for his fabrication plant. He said "How
thick are the parts? NO problem!
> Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!"
One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach fittings, cabane strut
fittings and anything else that might be a clearance issue about 1/2" longer
(perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings made to the plans can
create minor clearance issues.
mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this forum for us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to track build time, photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc. You can post an online version to the web and the print version is formatted very nicely and will make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick tool. If you want to see an example, check out my kitlog link in my signature below.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
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| Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
May effect the stall characteristics too.
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Clif Dawson wrote:
>
> It has nothing to do with reinforcement of the fabric.
>
> This is a fast,powerful machine that doesn't have any
> issues with getting off the ground. The wing could
> be a piece of flat plywood and it would still fly. The
> Piet, on the other hand, needs lift, all it can get.
>
> Look at that wing profile in a couple of those pics.
> It's a round nosed, pointy tailed plank.
>
> Bernard even had to undercut the bottom of his to get
> more lift.
>
> So by smoothing the nose profile as much as possible
> a little bit more was gained by not allowing the profile
> to sink flatter between the ribs.
>
> Clif
>
>
> The Brown B-2 "Miss Los Angeles" flew at over 230 mph with the only
>> reinforcement to the fabric covering being some false ribs supporting an
>> extra layer of fabric from the leading edge to the spar.
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4590350390/in/photostream/
>>
> easier, quicker, and cheaper than fussing with plywood or aluminum leading
> edges, and lighter to boot. What say y'all?
>
> Bill Frank
>>
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Band Type Brake Cable |
For those of you using the band type brakes...where did you get the brake cables?
Make your own? If you made your own, please fill me in on some details.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Vic,
How about posting a few pics of your plane before you "blow it apart"
for covering. Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of V Groah
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
Mark.
Good to see you back. If you are serious about starting a Piet you
might want to consider coming 40 miles south and look at ours before we
blow it apart for fabric. We are just about ready to do that. In about
6 weeks it will be in pieces again for fabric. We have photos of some
of the jigs we made that worked and could give some guidance on things
that could be done wrong. Yes, we did have a couple of things that
after close examination had to be redone. It Happens. Bring a camera
and take photos. It is not like we have the ideal plane or know all the
answers. We don't. We have, however, gone through the process and have
a result. We found that grabbing ideas from other builders that had
gone before us saved a lot of head scratching and avoided a lot of
missteps.
Besides, we would like to see you again. Come and see us, we are not
far away. Vic and Mike Groah.
Ps. Any other Piet guys are welcome too. Just contact us.
vgroah(at)hotmail.com
> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 07:57:02 -0800
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
> From: mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Wow guys! Many thanks for all the info...
>
> I had to let my EAA national membership lapse due to the financial
> crisis of the last year and 2 months, but I plan to renew soon and I
> can access the plans they have on the EAA download site.
>
> Seems simple enough to just build a table, but I thought I'd ask y'all
> because of the 'Round shoulders, flat forehead" syndrome I suffer
> from. It's the result of the moment when you shrug your shoulders, and
> slap your forehead once you see something and say "Why didn't I think
> of that BEFORE I built my table!"
>
> I have so much room in the barn that I am considering one long table
> versus separate ones, but that may change when I actually start the
> project. I had been planning the ribs and wing first due to space, but
> I might start the fuse (more desirable) and then I have the mounting
> point for all the rest. Besides, you just can't sit on a wing and make
> airplane noises as well as you can a fuse.
>
> Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in
> Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to
> an old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He
> owns a steel fabrication company, and has a laser cutting machine for
> his fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem!
> Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!"
>
> Yes Gary Boothe, I know it's cheating. And yes, I know how long it
> took you to make your parts. But I am relieved! :oD
>
> Thanks again for all the advice. I hope to post some pics in the next
few weeks.
>
> Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
>
> Mark
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:52 AM, K5YAC wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I am tall.... I might be able to look OVER the wing.
> >
> > I also can't spell dimensions. [Embarassed]
> >
> > --------
> > Mark Chouinard
> > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330415#330415
> >
> >
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Brian, =0A Vic is my dad and it's our joint project. Here are a couple
quick pics I =0Ashot the other day. =0A=0A=0AMike Groah=0ATulare=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com"
=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Th
u, February 10, 2011 9:59:48 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans fo
r a good fuse workbench=0A=0A=0AVic,=0AHow about posting a few pics of your
plane before you =9Cblow it apart=9D for =0Acovering. Thanks.
=0A =0ABrian=0ASLC-UT=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
=0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of V Groah
=0ASent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:10 AM=0ATo: piet list=0ASubject: RE
: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench=0A =0AMark.=0A =0AGoo
d to see you back. If you are serious about starting a Piet you might want
=0Ato consider coming 40 miles south and look at ours before we blow it ap
art for =0Afabric. We are just about ready to do that. In about 6 weeks i
t will be in =0Apieces again for fabric. We have photos of some of the jig
s we made that worked =0Aand could give some guidance on things that could
be done wrong. Yes, we did =0Ahave a couple of things that after close exa
mination had to be redone. It =0AHappens. Bring a camera and take photos.
It is not like we have the ideal =0Aplane or know all the answers. We do
n't. We have, however, gone through the =0Aprocess and have a result. We
found that grabbing ideas from other builders =0Athat had gone before us sa
ved a lot of head scratching and avoided a lot =0Aof missteps. =0A=0A =0AB
esides, we would like to see you again. Come and see us, we are not far aw
ay. =0AVic and Mike Groah.=0A =0APs. Any other Piet guys are welcome too.
Just contact us. vgroah(at)hotmail.com =0A=0A =0A> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011
orkbench=0A> From: mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com=0A> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.c
@gmail.com>=0A> =0A> Wow guys! Many thanks for all the info...=0A> =0A> I h
ad to let my EAA national membership lapse due to the financial=0A> crisis
of the last year and 2 months, but I plan to renew soon and I=0A> can acces
s the plans they have on the EAA download site.=0A> =0A> Seems simple enoug
h to just build a table, but I thought I'd ask y'all=0A> because of the 'Ro
und shoulders, flat forehead" syndrome I suffer=0A> from. It's the result o
f the moment when you shrug your shoulders, and=0A> slap your forehead once
you see something and say "Why didn't I think=0A> of that BEFORE I built m
y table!"=0A> =0A> I have so much room in the barn that I am considering on
e long table=0A> versus separate ones, but that may change when I actually
start the=0A> project. I had been planning the ribs and wing first due to s
pace, but=0A> I might start the fuse (more desirable) and then I have the m
ounting=0A> point for all the rest. Besides, you just can't sit on a wing a
nd make=0A> airplane noises as well as you can a fuse.=0A> =0A> Oh, one oth
er really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in=0A> Sketch Up and
cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to=0A> an old acquain
tance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He=0A> owns a steel fabr
ication company, and has a laser cutting machine for=0A> his fabrication pl
ant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem!=0A> Bring me the pans an
d I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!"=0A> =0A> Yes Gary Boothe
, I know it's cheating. And yes, I know how long it=0A> took you to make yo
ur parts. But I am relieved! :oD=0A> =0A> Thanks again for all the advice.
I hope to post some pics in the next few =0A>weeks.=0A> =0A> Any suggestion
s on programs to use for the build log online?=0A> =0A> Mark=0A> =0A> On Th
u, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:52 AM, K5YAC wrote:=0A> > --> Piete
npol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" =0A> >=0A> > Yes, I
am tall.... I might be able to look OVER the wing.=0A> >=0A> > I also can't
spell dimensions. [Embarassed]=0A> >=0A> > --------=0A> > Mark Chouinard
=0A> > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> > Read this topic online here:=0A> >=0A>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330415#330415=0A> >=0A> >
=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A> =0A> =0A==
====================0A> _====
=======0A> =0A> =0A> =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navi
gator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.c
====================== =0A=0A
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Correct good idea. Vic
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
> Date: Thu=2C 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
>
> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> > Oh=2C one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in S
ketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to an ol
d acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He owns a steel
fabrication company=2C and has a laser cutting machine for his fabrication
plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem!
> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!"
>
>
> One word of advice=2C be sure to make the lift strut attach fittings=2C c
abane strut fittings and anything else that might be a clearance issue abou
t 1/2" longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings made
to the plans can create minor clearance issues.
>
>
> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
>
>
> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this forum for
us. I think the program is $50=2C but it allows you to track build time=2C
photos and details=2C expense items=2C vendors=2C etc. You can post an onl
ine version to the web and the print version is formatted very nicely and w
ill make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick tool. If you want to
see an example=2C check out my kitlog link in my signature below.
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings=2C Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Band Type Brake Cable |
| From: | Kenneth Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
I went to a local bicycle shop that specializes in mountain bikes (I know,
sort of a redundant statement here in Colorado). The owner special ordered
some extra long cables for me. Cost was reasonable, though I don't recall
exactly what it was. I haven't mounted the cables yet, so don't have
feedback on how well it all works together with the band brakes. Cheers, Ken
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> For those of you using the band type brakes...where did you get the
> brake cables? Make your own? If you made your own, please fill me in on some
> details.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Band Type Brake Cable |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Micheal,
Look at Westcoastpiet under Dennis Hall. I took those pictures myself at Br
odhead. I basically used his set-up for inspiration for mine. A picture is
worth......you know.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thu, Feb 10, 2011 12:06 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Band Type Brake Cable
For those of you using the band type brakes...where did you get the brake c
ables? Make your own? If you made your own, please fill me in on some detai
ls.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Band Type Brake Cable |
| From: | John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com> |
As some of you know, I am rebuilding a 35 year old Piet. I am trying to
locate new cables and my best match appears to be golf-cart cables. Keep in
mind these will rust internally over time (as mine did). I am looking for
heavy cables that I can seal-in lubricant. Stainless would be nice. John
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Kenneth Bickers wrote:
> I went to a local bicycle shop that specializes in mountain bikes (I know,
> sort of a redundant statement here in Colorado). The owner special ordered
> some extra long cables for me. Cost was reasonable, though I don't recall
> exactly what it was. I haven't mounted the cables yet, so don't have
> feedback on how well it all works together with the band brakes. Cheers, Ken
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
>
>> For those of you using the band type brakes...where did you get the
>> brake cables? Make your own? If you made your own, please fill me in on some
>> details.
>>
>> Michael Perez
>> Karetaker Aero
>> www.karetakeraero.com
>>
>> *
>>
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>> ttp://forums.matronics.com
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John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
PresIident, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Band Type Brake Cable |
I did find a place on line that sells cables, brake and throttle, for bikes and
go karts. They also sell all the cables, (7x7 and 7x19)outer sheathing, end caps,
fittings, etc so you can custom build your own units. I'll be looking into
this more and as I get closer to needing them.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Thu, 2/10/11, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Band Type Brake Cable
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 3:16 PM
>
>
>
>
>
> Micheal,
>
>
>
>
>
> Look at Westcoastpiet under Dennis Hall. I took those
> pictures myself at Brodhead. I basically used his set-up for
> inspiration for mine. A picture is worth......you
> know.
>
>
>
>
>
> Dan Helsper
>
>
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original
> Message-----
>
> From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
>
> To: pietenpol-list
>
> Sent: Thu, Feb 10, 2011 12:06 pm
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Band Type Brake Cable
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> For those of you using the band type
> brakes...where did you get the brake cables? Make your own?
> If you made your own, please fill me in on some details.
>
>
>
> Michael Perez
>
> Karetaker Aero
>
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> "
> target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> p://forums.matronics.com
> blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | "PShipman" <perrytshipman(at)gmail.com> |
Vic,
I take it you and your son are in Fresno???
--------
Perry Shipman
Lakeside, CA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330538#330538
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
I noticed there is a theme starting to happen. I don't know if Kevin had anything
to do with it. But why does everyone have an axel in their workshop? Motivation?
If so, I'm going to get one.
Does size matter?
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330544#330544
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Mark (and all)
Thanks for the suggestion on the kitlog software... I will definitely
be looking at that in a minute...
Also Vic! I didn't know (but suspected) you were that far along on the
plane. I just got a new camera (WAY cool too... It'll shoot broadcast
quality High Definition video, but it looks like and is a Single Lens
Photo camera) that is itching to take pics of your plane. I had
planned to call ya and see what it is looking like anyway.
I keep your card in my wallet, so I will call before too long. We are
moving now and for the next 2 weeks we'll be a biut unsettled, but as
soon as I can I will call to come for a visit!
Thanks!
Mark
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:25 AM, K5YAC wrote:
>
>
> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in Sketch Up
and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to an old acquaintance
I have recently renewed a relationship with. He owns a steel fabrication
company, and has a laser cutting machine for his fabrication plant. He said "How
thick are the parts? NO problem!
>> Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!"
>
>
> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach fittings, cabane strut
fittings and anything else that might be a clearance issue about 1/2" longer
(perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings made to the plans
can create minor clearance issues.
>
>
> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
>
>
> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this forum for us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to track build time, photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc. You can post an online version to the web and the print version is formatted very nicely and will make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick tool. If you want to see an example, check out my kitlog link in my signature below.
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded as a Piet
Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up because of
some of the design elements I am changing to meet my particular needs.
At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra width to the
fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the nose a bit
(Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am using the
GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra bay's I am adding to
the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1" thick,
carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut connection points
out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed to insure
the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design elements all
take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that will be
mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly, so I felt
I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the changes, and
that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all around to
make the connections easier. I had read comments here about that
already.
Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done :o)
Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to correct
the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing changes,
etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's kept my
head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't buy spit.
So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can begin the
build proper...
Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing I'll be doing
(after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to build the
table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really gonna build
me a plane!
Mark
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah wrote:
> Correctgood idea. Vic
>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
>> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in
>> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to an
>> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He owns a
>> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser cutting machine for his
>> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem!
>> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!"
>>
>>
>> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach fittings, cabane
>> strut fittings and anything else that might be a clearance issue about 1/2"
>> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings made to the
>> plans can create minor clearance issues.
>>
>>
>> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
>>
>>
>> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this forum for
>> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to track build time,
>> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc. You can post an online
>> version to the web and the print version is formatted very nicely and will
>> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick tool. If you want to see
>> an example, check out my kitlog link in my signature below.
>>
>> --------
>> Mark Chouinard
>> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
>>
>>
>>
>>
> >======================
> &g===================
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | Mike Tunnicliffe <zk-owl(at)CLEAR.NET.NZ> |
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
I painted the top of my workbench with white undercoat, parts such as the
fuselage can be drawn on the surface with a fine pencil and erased or
painted over when finished, my bench has built: a Jodel, a Corby, now a
Piet, and a couple of strip canoes, a friend also used it to build a Kr2,
each being lofted directly on the surface of the bench. Any dents or holes
the bench accumulates can be filled in and painted over like new. Mike T.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Perry,
My dad and I are in Tulare Ca (about 45 miles south of Fresno).
Mike Groah
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2011, at 6:08 PM, "PShipman" wrote:
>
> Vic,
>
> I take it you and your son are in Fresno???
>
> --------
> Perry Shipman
> Lakeside, CA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330538#330538
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Why not just put the plan set in sketchup as is and hit the
magnification key? That way the whole damn thing will be
in proportion only bigger.
Right? Am I right or what!
Clif :-)
"The man who has no imagination has no wings." ~ Muhammad Ali
>
> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra width to the
> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the nose a bit
> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am using the
> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra bay's I am adding to
> the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1" thick,
> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut connection points
> out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed to insure
> the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
>
> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design elements all
> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that will be
> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly, so I felt
> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
I am really gonna build
> me a plane!
>
> Mark
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Band Type Brake Cable |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Whatever type of brake cables you end up using, be sure to lube them with grease,
and NOT oil... the oil will run out/ evaporate over time (less time than
you think) and make the cables stick and bind. I lube the clutch and throttle
cables on my motorcycle with lithium grease once a year, and never have problems
with them. You can get a small cable lubing device from most any motorcycle
shop that clamps around the cable and allows you to use a spray lube in a can
with the little red straw to directly inject the lube down into the sheath.
Just lube until you see the grease coming out the other end and your cable
will be happy for quite some time.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330558#330558
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| Subject: | Re: Band Type Brake Cable |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
I bought bicycles cable at Walmart for about $5 for my mechanical disc brakes.
They are plenty strong for my installation. I tried to break an old cable and
couldn't so that is good enough for me. No lube. I will replace as necessary $5
and 5 minutes. It should get wet many times as it will be inside a hangar when
not flying.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330570#330570
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Mark, you might consider adding 10 inches to the verticle stab as Pat Green did
in florida after getting into a spin and finally recovering at 500 ft. I understand
that the pilot was real tall and blocked out the flow to the tail.
Good luck, Gardiner Mason
--- On Thu, 2/10/11, Mark Roberts wrote:
> From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 10:47 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: Mark Roberts
>
> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded
> as a Piet
> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up
> because of
> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my
> particular needs.
>
> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra
> width to the
> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the
> nose a bit
> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am
> using the
> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra
> bay's I am adding to
> the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1"
> thick,
> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut
> connection points
> out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed
> to insure
> the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
>
> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design
> elements all
> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that
> will be
> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly,
> so I felt
> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
>
> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the
> changes, and
> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all
> around to
> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about
> that
> already.
>
> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done
> :o)
>
> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to
> correct
> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing
> changes,
> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's
> kept my
> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't
> buy spit.
> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can
> begin the
> build proper...
>
> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing
> I'll be doing
> (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to
> build the
> table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really
> gonna build
> me a plane!
>
> Mark
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah
> wrote:
> > Correctgood idea. Vic
> >
> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse
> workbench
> >> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >>
>
> >>
> >>
> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing
> the metal parts up in
> >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program
> so I can deliver them to an
> >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a
> relationship with. He owns a
> >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser
> cutting machine for his
> >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the
> parts? NO problem!
> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those
> parts for you to perfection!"
> >>
> >>
> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut
> attach fittings, cabane
> >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a
> clearance issue about 1/2"
> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that
> some fittings made to the
> >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
> >>
> >>
> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the
> build log online?
> >>
> >>
> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that
> provide this forum for
> >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you
> to track build time,
> >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc.
> You can post an online
> >> version to the web and the print version is
> formatted very nicely and will
> >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick
> tool. If you want to see
> >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my
> signature below.
> >>
> >> --------
> >> Mark Chouinard
> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up -
> Working on Fuselage
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > >======================
> > &g===================
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Email Forum -
> FAQ,
> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> List Contribution Web Site -
> -Matt
> Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Must have been someone else flying the airplane, 'cause Pat's no giant:
http://www.flycorvair.com/26612.jpg
<http://www.flycorvair.com/26612.jpg>Ryan
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:19 AM, airlion wrote:
>
> Mark, you might consider adding 10 inches to the verticle stab as Pat Green
> did in florida after getting into a spin and finally recovering at 500 ft. I
> understand that the pilot was real tall and blocked out the flow to the
> tail.
> Good luck, Gardiner Mason
>
> --- On Thu, 2/10/11, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
> > From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 10:47 PM
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> > by: Mark Roberts
> >
> > Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded
> > as a Piet
> > Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up
> > because of
> > some of the design elements I am changing to meet my
> > particular needs.
> >
> > At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra
> > width to the
> > fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the
> > nose a bit
> > (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am
> > using the
> > GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra
> > bay's I am adding to
> > the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1"
> > thick,
> > carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut
> > connection points
> > out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed
> > to insure
> > the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
> >
> > I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design
> > elements all
> > take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that
> > will be
> > mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly,
> > so I felt
> > I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
> >
> > I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the
> > changes, and
> > that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all
> > around to
> > make the connections easier. I had read comments here about
> > that
> > already.
> >
> > Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done
> > :o)
> >
> > Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to
> > correct
> > the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing
> > changes,
> > etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's
> > kept my
> > head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't
> > buy spit.
> > So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can
> > begin the
> > build proper...
> >
> > Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing
> > I'll be doing
> > (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to
> > build the
> > table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really
> > gonna build
> > me a plane!
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah
> > wrote:
> > > Correct good idea. Vic
> > >
> > >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse
> > workbench
> > >> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
> > >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
> > >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > >>
> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> > >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing
> > the metal parts up in
> > >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program
> > so I can deliver them to an
> > >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a
> > relationship with. He owns a
> > >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser
> > cutting machine for his
> > >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the
> > parts? NO problem!
> > >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those
> > parts for you to perfection!"
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut
> > attach fittings, cabane
> > >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a
> > clearance issue about 1/2"
> > >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that
> > some fittings made to the
> > >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> > >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the
> > build log online?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that
> > provide this forum for
> > >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you
> > to track build time,
> > >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc.
> > You can post an online
> > >> version to the web and the print version is
> > formatted very nicely and will
> > >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick
> > tool. If you want to see
> > >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my
> > signature below.
> > >>
> > >> --------
> > >> Mark Chouinard
> > >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up -
> > Working on Fuselage
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Read this topic online here:
> > >>
> > >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > > >======================
> > > &g===================
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Email Forum -
> > FAQ,
> > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> > List Contribution Web Site -
> > -Matt
> > Dralle, List Admin.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr(at)gmail.com> |
Mark
Could you post a Jpg of your piet model in sketchup? Just wanted to see
what your model looks like and how far along you are on it.....
Chuck
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded as a Piet
> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up because of
> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my particular needs.
>
> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra width to the
> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the nose a bit
> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am using the
> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra bay's I am adding to
> the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1" thick,
> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut connection points
> out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed to insure
> the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
>
> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design elements all
> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that will be
> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly, so I felt
> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
>
> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the changes, and
> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all around to
> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about that
> already.
>
> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done :o)
>
> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to correct
> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing changes,
> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's kept my
> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't buy spit.
> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can begin the
> build proper...
>
> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing I'll be doing
> (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to build the
> table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really gonna build
> me a plane!
>
> Mark
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah wrote:
> > Correct good idea. Vic
> >
> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
> >> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in
> >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them to
> an
> >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He owns
> a
> >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser cutting machine for his
> >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem!
> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to perfection!"
> >>
> >>
> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach fittings,
> cabane
> >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a clearance issue about
> 1/2"
> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings made to
> the
> >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
> >>
> >>
> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
> >>
> >>
> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this forum
> for
> >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to track build time,
> >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc. You can post an online
> >> version to the web and the print version is formatted very nicely and
> will
> >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick tool. If you want to
> see
> >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my signature below.
> >>
> >> --------
> >> Mark Chouinard
> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > >======================
> > &g===================
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Yes someone else was flying. well over 6 ft. Gardiner
________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 9:40:46 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
Must have been someone else flying the airplane, 'cause Pat's no giant:
http://www.flycorvair.com/26612.jpg
Ryan
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:19 AM, airlion wrote:
>
>Mark, you might consider adding 10 inches to the verticle stab as Pat Green did
>in florida after getting into a spin and finally recovering at 500 ft. I
>understand that the pilot was real tall and blocked out the flow to the tail.
>Good luck, Gardiner Mason
>
>--- On Thu, 2/10/11, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
>> From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
>
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 10:47 PM
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
>
>> by: Mark Roberts
>>
>> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded
>> as a Piet
>> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up
>> because of
>> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my
>> particular needs.
>
>>
>> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra
>> width to the
>> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the
>> nose a bit
>> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am
>> using the
>> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra
>> bay's I am adding to
>> the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1"
>> thick,
>> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut
>> connection points
>> out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed
>> to insure
>> the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
>>
>> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design
>> elements all
>> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that
>> will be
>> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly,
>> so I felt
>> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
>>
>> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the
>> changes, and
>> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all
>> around to
>> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about
>> that
>> already.
>>
>> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done
>> :o)
>>
>> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to
>> correct
>> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing
>> changes,
>> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's
>> kept my
>> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't
>> buy spit.
>> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can
>> begin the
>> build proper...
>>
>> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing
>> I'll be doing
>> (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to
>> build the
>> table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really
>
>> gonna build
>> me a plane!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah
>> wrote:
>> > Correct good idea. Vic
>> >
>> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse
>> workbench
>> >> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
>> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
>
>> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> >>
>
>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
>> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing
>> the metal parts up in
>> >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program
>> so I can deliver them to an
>> >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a
>> relationship with. He owns a
>> >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser
>> cutting machine for his
>> >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the
>> parts? NO problem!
>> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those
>> parts for you to perfection!"
>> >>
>> >>
>
>> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut
>> attach fittings, cabane
>> >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a
>> clearance issue about 1/2"
>> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that
>> some fittings made to the
>> >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
>> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the
>> build log online?
>> >>
>> >>
>
>> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that
>> provide this forum for
>> >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you
>> to track build time,
>> >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc.
>> You can post an online
>> >> version to the web and the print version is
>> formatted very nicely and will
>> >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick
>> tool. If you want to see
>> >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my
>> signature below.
>> >>
>> >> --------
>
>> >> Mark Chouinard
>> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up -
>> Working on Fuselage
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>
>> >> Read this topic online here:
>> >>
>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> > >======================
>> > &g===================
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Email Forum -
>> FAQ,
>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
>> List Contribution Web Site -
>> -Matt
>> Dralle, List Admin.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Mark,
Include me on your post...
Ken Heide
Hawley, MN
--- On Fri, 2/11/11, Charles Waldo wrote:
> From: Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 8:50 AM
> Mark
>
> Could you post a Jpg of your piet model in
> sketchup? Just wanted to see what yourmodel looks like and
> how far along you are on it.....
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011
> at 10:47 PM, Mark Roberts
> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List
> message posted by: Mark Roberts
>
>
> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded
> as a Piet
> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up
> because of
> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my
> particular needs.
>
>
> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the
> extra width to the
> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening
> the nose a bit
> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND
> I am using the
>
> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra
> bay's I am adding to
> the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at
> 1" thick,
> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut
> connection points
>
> out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed
> to insure
> the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
>
> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design
> elements all
> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that
> will be
>
> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or
> can't fly, so I felt
> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
>
> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the
> changes, and
> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments
> all around to
>
> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about
> that
> already.
>
> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when
> I'm done :o)
>
> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to
> correct
>
> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing
> changes,
> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but
> it's kept my
> head into the dream for a year and a half when I
> couldn't buy spit.
> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can
> begin the
>
> build proper...
>
> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing
> I'll be doing
> (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is
> to build the
> table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really
> gonna build
>
> me a plane!
>
> Mark
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah
> wrote:
> > Correctgood idea. Vic
> >
> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse
> workbench
>
> >> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >>
>
> "K5YAC"
> >>
> >>
> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing
> the metal parts up in
> >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program
> so I can deliver them to an
> >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a
> relationship with. He owns a
>
> >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser
> cutting machine for his
> >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick
> are the parts? NO problem!
> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those
> parts for you to perfection!"
>
> >>
> >>
> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut
> attach fittings, cabane
> >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a
> clearance issue about 1/2"
> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that
> some fittings made to the
>
> >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
> >>
> >>
> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the
> build log online?
>
> >>
> >>
> >> www.mykitlog.com is
> powered by the same fella that provide this forum for
> >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you
> to track build time,
>
> >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc.
> You can post an online
> >> version to the web and the print version is
> formatted very nicely and will
> >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick
> tool. If you want to see
>
> >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my
> signature below.
> >>
> >> --------
> >> Mark Chouinard
> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up -
> Working on Fuselage
> >>
>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > >======================
> > &g===================
> >>
> >&=====
>
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| Subject: | Re: Band Type Brake Cable |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Whether your plane is kept inside or not, I'd still advise lubricating the cables.
My motorcycle lives in a nice warm garage whenever it's not being ridden,
and I still lube the cables every year. Last thing I want is a throttle sticking
or a clutch that won't disengage while I'm out riding. Could lead to an
unhappy ending for the day which could have been avoided by 5 or 10 minutes worth
of preventative maintenance.
If you ever fly from a dew-covered grass strip early in the morning (or a paved
strip after a rain), you will get some water slinging up from your wheels, and
that water could potentially get to the brake cables. It doesn't take long
to lube the cables, and it's well worth the time and effort to do so in my opinion.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330595#330595
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I'm a little concerned about some of the comments I've heard recently about pilot
height, for example, in the Workbench thread...
airlion(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> Mark, you might consider adding 10 inches to the verticle stab as Pat Green did
in florida after getting into a spin and finally recovering at 500 ft. I understand
that the pilot was real tall and blocked out the flow to the tail.
> Good luck, Gardiner Mason
I have been doing my best at keeping with the plans so far. I did raise the height
of my turtle deck a bit, but just barely more than my shoulders would normally
block, and this was only done for proper seatbelt placement. Are any of
you taller pilots experiencing ill effects? Given that I am 6'4" tall, are there
things I should consider in making my airplane more safe or stable? Basically,
do I need more rudder?
Jack P., I know that you are pretty tall... care to comment in the rudder effectiveness
and what might (or should) be done to improve it?
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330603#330603
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Interesting Idea.... I ran calculations for the stab and vertical
surfaces to make sure I was increasing them by the appropriate amount
based on the formulas, not just the plans. BUT, I AM tall, and I
deepened the fuse body by 2 inches, but I still will stick out quite a
bit, as I am much bigger than Bernie!
Hummm...
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:19 AM, airlion wrote:
>
> Mark, you might consider adding 10 inches to the verticle stab as Pat Green did
in florida after getting into a spin and finally recovering at 500 ft. I understand
that the pilot was real tall and blocked out the flow to the tail.
> Good luck, Gardiner Mason
>
> --- On Thu, 2/10/11, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
>> From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 10:47 PM
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
>> by: Mark Roberts
>>
>> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded
>> as a Piet
>> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up
>> because of
>> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my
>> particular needs.
>>
>> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra
>> width to the
>> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the
>> nose a bit
>> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am
>> using the
>> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra
>> bay's I am adding to
>> the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1"
>> thick,
>> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut
>> connection points
>> out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed
>> to insure
>> the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
>>
>> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design
>> elements all
>> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that
>> will be
>> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly,
>> so I felt
>> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
>>
>> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the
>> changes, and
>> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all
>> around to
>> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about
>> that
>> already.
>>
>> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done
>> :o)
>>
>> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to
>> correct
>> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing
>> changes,
>> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's
>> kept my
>> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't
>> buy spit.
>> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can
>> begin the
>> build proper...
>>
>> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing
>> I'll be doing
>> (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to
>> build the
>> table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really
>> gonna build
>> me a plane!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah
>> wrote:
>> > Correctgood idea. Vic
>> >
>> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse
>> workbench
>> >> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
>> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
>> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing
>> the metal parts up in
>> >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program
>> so I can deliver them to an
>> >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a
>> relationship with. He owns a
>> >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser
>> cutting machine for his
>> >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the
>> parts? NO problem!
>> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those
>> parts for you to perfection!"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut
>> attach fittings, cabane
>> >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a
>> clearance issue about 1/2"
>> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that
>> some fittings made to the
>> >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the
>> build log online?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that
>> provide this forum for
>> >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you
>> to track build time,
>> >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc.
>> You can post an online
>> >> version to the web and the print version is
>> formatted very nicely and will
>> >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick
>> tool. If you want to see
>> >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my
>> signature below.
>> >>
>> >> --------
>> >> Mark Chouinard
>> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up -
>> Working on Fuselage
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Read this topic online here:
>> >>
>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> > >======================
>> > &g===================
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
| From: | "DOMIT" <rx7_ragtop(at)yahoo.com> |
Just a thought on staples... Since epoxy won't stick to duct tape (the outside
of it) how about folding a strip of duct tape (sticky side together) and stapling
through it? When the glue is cured it would make pulling the staples easier...
--------
Brad "DOMIT" Smith
First rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going fast.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330615#330615
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
The seat can be lowered a bit (just put the back of the rear seat closer to
the longeron) and a few people have actually lowered the bottom longerons a
couple inches in the middle to get more fuselage height at the rear seat
(Bill Rewey suggested that).
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:10 AM, K5YAC wrote:
>
> I'm a little concerned about some of the comments I've heard recently about
> pilot height, for example, in the Workbench thread...
>
>
> airlion(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> > Mark, you might consider adding 10 inches to the verticle stab as Pat
> Green did in florida after getting into a spin and finally recovering at 500
> ft. I understand that the pilot was real tall and blocked out the flow to
> the tail.
> > Good luck, Gardiner Mason
>
>
> I have been doing my best at keeping with the plans so far. I did raise
> the height of my turtle deck a bit, but just barely more than my shoulders
> would normally block, and this was only done for proper seatbelt placement.
> Are any of you taller pilots experiencing ill effects? Given that I am
> 6'4" tall, are there things I should consider in making my airplane more
> safe or stable? Basically, do I need more rudder?
>
> Jack P., I know that you are pretty tall... care to comment in the rudder
> effectiveness and what might (or should) be done to improve it?
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330603#330603
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Should work, I used strips of plastic milk jug for the same purpose.
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:42 AM, DOMIT wrote:
>
> Just a thought on staples... Since epoxy won't stick to duct tape (the
> outside of it) how about folding a strip of duct tape (sticky side together)
> and stapling through it? When the glue is cured it would make pulling the
> staples easier...
>
> --------
> Brad "DOMIT" Smith
>
> First rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going
> fast.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330615#330615
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: UPDATE and return to life! |
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Well, Chuck, you are really trying to get me Flamed, banned and thrown
off this list! :o)
Glad to share what I have done so far. I know many that would say what
I am doing is perverting a great design, and thus far I have kept my
design elements quiet so as not to disrupt the flow of ideas here, but
perhaps there are other 'larger than should be' folks like me out
there, and so I will share, for better or for worse, my intended
design modifications.
I am not an aeronautical engineer (neither was our beloved designer of
the original), but a long time modeler and designer and I am making
the wing mod's based on structural info I have found that seem to
verify that the wing spars are of more than sufficient strength at 1"
thick, and an additional 1" taller than originally called out --5.75"
in the fore spar, 5 5/8" in the rear--(Bernie's later designs were
using 3/4" thick spars, not the 1" thick he originally drew in the
plans). The wing bays are an added 2' on each side, requiring the
modifications of the tail surfaces to meet the design requirements of
stability with the extra wing. I might add a bit more to the
fin/rudder area to insure the stability and avoid a potential spin
problem mentioned earlier in this posting series. To accommodate the
added wing bays, I moved the spar attachments out one bay, lengthening
the wing struts a bit. I will be putting Jury struts on the struts as
recommended, and required by this additional length.
These mods are not all completed in my sketch up drawing, but some can
be seen in the design attached. I played around with a concept you'll
see on these drawings that I found in a build of another plans built
LSA design: the AMF 14H Miranda. The designed used fiber reinforced
strapping material for the drag/anti-drag wires verses cable and
turnbuckles. He saved a TON of weight, and an equal amount of money as
those turnbuckles cost more than the birth of my children... You can
see this on the website www.mywoodenairplane.com which is an online
build log. The guy has a bunch left over and would most likely sell a
bunch of it cheap. He's a nice guy too... This tape/ribbon is the
stuff you see and get wrapped around any large box that's been
shipped. It's the stuff that has a heat sealed connection with the
other end of the tape where they meet. (It's not the stuff on a roll
that is sticky and you buy it at Office Max... this is the stuff you
can't break for your life.). Many of us have opened this stuff by
turning it over at the joint where the 2 ends meet and peeling one end
away from the other end and it releases the bond... Great stuff for
the drag/anti-drag system, and just as strong as the steel and
turnbuckles they replace. Anyway, that's what you see below drawn
into the wing. It is just one side of it. I need to draw in the other
side of the system, but now I can actually start building, so I will
most likely wait till I get closer to that assembly.
Anyway, this is why it is called 'experimental' right ;o) I won't be
the first guy to try something, but if it looks to be done somewhere
else, I will consider it if it seemed to work out ok for the other guy
:o)
Here's the pics of the drawing so far.
Mark
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Charles Waldo wrote:
> Mark
>
> - Could you post a Jpg of your piet model in sketchup? Just wanted to s
ee
> what your-model looks like and how far along you are on it.....
>
> Chuck
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Mark Roberts
> wrote:
>>
m>
>>
>> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded as a Piet
>> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up because of
>> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my particular needs.
>>
>> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra width to the
>> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the nose a bit
>> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am using the
>> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. -One last thing is the extra bay's I am adding to
>> the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1" thick,
>> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut connection points
>> out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed to insure
>> the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
>>
>> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design elements all
>> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that will be
>> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly, so I felt
>> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
>>
>> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the changes, and
>> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all around to
>> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about that
>> already.
>>
>> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done :o)
>>
>> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to correct
>> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing changes,
>> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's kept my
>> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't buy spit.
>> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can begin the
>> build proper...
>>
>> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing I'll be doing
>> (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to build the
>> table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really gonna build
>> me a plane!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah wrote:
>> > Correct-good idea.- Vic
>> >
>> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>> >> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
>> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
>> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in
>> >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them
>> >> > to an
>> >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He ow
ns
>> >> > a
>> >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser cutting machine for his
>> >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem!
>> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to
>> >> > perfection!"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach fittings,
>> >> cabane
>> >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a clearance issue abou
t
>> >> 1/2"
>> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings made
to
>> >> the
>> >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this forum
>> >> for
>> >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to track build time
,
>> >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc. You can post an onli
ne
>> >> version to the web and the print version is formatted very nicely and
>> >> will
>> >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick tool. If you want
to
>> >> see
>> >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my signature below.
>> >>
>> >> --------
>> >> Mark Chouinard
>> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Read this topic online here:
>> >>
>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> > >======================
>> > &g===================
>> >>
>> >&=====
>> -Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
>> ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
>> target="_blank">ht======
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
That's what I am planning to do is to lower the seat and add 2" to the
bottom of the fuse design to 'lower' me into the fuse a bit more...
Mark
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Rick Holland wrote:
> The seat can be lowered a bit (just put the back of the rear seat closer to
> the longeron) and a few people have actually lowered the bottom longerons a
> couple inches in the middle to get more fuselage height at the rear seat
> (Bill Rewey suggested that).
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:10 AM, K5YAC wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm a little concerned about some of the comments I've heard recently
>> about pilot height, for example, in the Workbench thread...
>>
>>
>> airlion(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
>> > Mark, you might consider adding 10 inches to the verticle stab as Pat
>> > Green did in florida after getting into a spin and finally recovering at 500
>> > ft. I understand that the pilot was real tall and blocked out the flow to
>> > the tail.
>> > Good luck, Gardiner Mason
>>
>>
>> I have been doing my best at keeping with the plans so far. I did raise
>> the height of my turtle deck a bit, but just barely more than my shoulders
>> would normally block, and this was only done for proper seatbelt placement.
>> Are any of you taller pilots experiencing ill effects? Given that I am
>> 6'4" tall, are there things I should consider in making my airplane more
>> safe or stable? Basically, do I need more rudder?
>>
>> Jack P., I know that you are pretty tall... care to comment in the rudder
>> effectiveness and what might (or should) be done to improve it?
>>
>> --------
>> Mark Chouinard
>> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330603#330603
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr(at)gmail.com> |
Mark
Sorry to put your life on the line like this Mike, but I wanted to see
how you did your drawings. I have also put my flame proof long johns on as I
have done the same thing! I thought it would be nice to "build" the plane
first in a computer and see how everything fits together. I'm not a cad guy,
but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once :) I've been at it for a couple of
months in my spare time. Everything but the rib is "stock" to the plans(went
with the 612). I was amazed how many times I had made mistakes and had to
move, cut or remake a part in the model (Just like the real builders do).
I'm glad I did it. It will save me a lot of time, frustration and money in
the building process (I hope). It will also be a great reference as I can
zoom and rotate it to see the part I'm working on and how it fits in with
other parts. The model is almost done and the shop is almost ready to go.
Wood will be here next month. Attached is a picture of my drawing (I
hope).....
Chuck
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Well, Chuck, you are really trying to get me Flamed, banned and thrown
> off this list! :o)
>
> Glad to share what I have done so far. I know many that would say what
> I am doing is perverting a great design, and thus far I have kept my
> design elements quiet so as not to disrupt the flow of ideas here, but
> perhaps there are other 'larger than should be' folks like me out
> there, and so I will share, for better or for worse, my intended
> design modifications.
>
> I am not an aeronautical engineer (neither was our beloved designer of
> the original), but a long time modeler and designer and I am making
> the wing mod's based on structural info I have found that seem to
> verify that the wing spars are of more than sufficient strength at 1"
> thick, and an additional 1" taller than originally called out --5.75"
> in the fore spar, 5 5/8" in the rear--(Bernie's later designs were
> using 3/4" thick spars, not the 1" thick he originally drew in the
> plans). The wing bays are an added 2' on each side, requiring the
> modifications of the tail surfaces to meet the design requirements of
> stability with the extra wing. I might add a bit more to the
> fin/rudder area to insure the stability and avoid a potential spin
> problem mentioned earlier in this posting series. To accommodate the
> added wing bays, I moved the spar attachments out one bay, lengthening
> the wing struts a bit. I will be putting Jury struts on the struts as
> recommended, and required by this additional length.
>
> These mods are not all completed in my sketch up drawing, but some can
> be seen in the design attached. I played around with a concept you'll
> see on these drawings that I found in a build of another plans built
> LSA design: the AMF 14H Miranda. The designed used fiber reinforced
> strapping material for the drag/anti-drag wires verses cable and
> turnbuckles. He saved a TON of weight, and an equal amount of money as
> those turnbuckles cost more than the birth of my children... You can
> see this on the website www.mywoodenairplane.com which is an online
> build log. The guy has a bunch left over and would most likely sell a
> bunch of it cheap. He's a nice guy too... This tape/ribbon is the
> stuff you see and get wrapped around any large box that's been
> shipped. It's the stuff that has a heat sealed connection with the
> other end of the tape where they meet. (It's not the stuff on a roll
> that is sticky and you buy it at Office Max... this is the stuff you
> can't break for your life.). Many of us have opened this stuff by
> turning it over at the joint where the 2 ends meet and peeling one end
> away from the other end and it releases the bond... Great stuff for
> the drag/anti-drag system, and just as strong as the steel and
> turnbuckles they replace. Anyway, that's what you see below drawn
> into the wing. It is just one side of it. I need to draw in the other
> side of the system, but now I can actually start building, so I will
> most likely wait till I get closer to that assembly.
>
> Anyway, this is why it is called 'experimental' right ;o) I won't be
> the first guy to try something, but if it looks to be done somewhere
> else, I will consider it if it seemed to work out ok for the other guy
> :o)
>
> Here's the pics of the drawing so far.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Charles Waldo
> wrote:
> > Mark
> >
> > Could you post a Jpg of your piet model in sketchup? Just wanted to see
> > what your model looks like and how far along you are on it.....
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Mark Roberts
> > wrote:
> >>
> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded as a Piet
> >> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up because of
> >> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my particular needs.
> >>
> >> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra width to the
> >> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the nose a bit
> >> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am using the
> >> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra bay's I am adding to
> >> the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1" thick,
> >> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut connection points
> >> out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed to insure
> >> the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
> >>
> >> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design elements all
> >> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that will be
> >> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly, so I felt
> >> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
> >>
> >> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the changes, and
> >> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all around to
> >> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about that
> >> already.
> >>
> >> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done :o)
> >>
> >> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to correct
> >> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing changes,
> >> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's kept my
> >> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't buy spit.
> >> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can begin the
> >> build proper...
> >>
> >> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing I'll be doing
> >> (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to build the
> >> table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really gonna build
> >> me a plane!
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah wrote:
> >> > Correct good idea. Vic
> >> >
> >> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
> >> >> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
> >> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up in
> >> >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver them
> >> >> > to an
> >> >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He
> owns
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser cutting machine for his
> >> >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem!
> >> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to
> >> >> > perfection!"
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach fittings,
> >> >> cabane
> >> >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a clearance issue
> about
> >> >> 1/2"
> >> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings made
> to
> >> >> the
> >> >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this
> forum
> >> >> for
> >> >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to track build
> time,
> >> >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc. You can post an
> online
> >> >> version to the web and the print version is formatted very nicely and
> >> >> will
> >> >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick tool. If you want
> to
> >> >> see
> >> >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my signature below.
> >> >>
> >> >> --------
> >> >> Mark Chouinard
> >> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Read this topic online here:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > >======================
> >> > &g===================
> >> >>
> >> >&=====
> >> -Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
> >> ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
> >> target="_blank">ht======
> >> http://forums.mle, List Admin.
> >> ====
> >>
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> >>
> >
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> >
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Well... the fuse is built as per the plans. I was advised NOT to go changing the
dimensions as it would just cause issues elsewhere. I can see how bending
a slightly deeper curve in the lower longerons at the rear seat might have helped,
and probably wouldn't have caused much of an issue, but it is what it is...
and I'm going to fly it. I just hope she is the gentle flier that everyone
describes.
Surely I'm not the first tall guy to try this... still waiting to hear from others.
I know that I asked a similar question back when I first started building
and nothing scared me off... I'm going to go look for that thread.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330634#330634
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| Subject: | Re: UPDATE and return to life! |
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Nicely Done! Did you do that in Sketch Up?
Mark
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Charles Waldo wrote:
> Mark
>
> Sorry to put your life on the line like this Mike, but I wanted to see
> how you did your drawings. I have also put my flame proof long johns on as I
> have done the same thing! I thought it would be nice to "build" the plane
> first in a computer and see how everything fits together. I'm not a cad guy,
> but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once :) I've been at it for a couple of
> months in my spare time. Everything but the rib is "stock" to the plans(went
> with the 612). I was amazed how many times I had made mistakes and had to
> move, cut or remake a part in the model (Just like the real builders do).
> I'm glad I did it. It will save me a lot of time, frustrationand money in
> the building process (I hope). It will also be a great reference as I can
> zoom and rotate it to see the part I'm working on and how it fits in with
> other parts.Themodel isalmost done and the shop is almost ready to go.
> Wood will be here next month. Attached is a pictureof my drawing (I
> hope).....
>
> Chuck
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>
>> Well, Chuck, you are really trying to get me Flamed, banned and thrown
>> off this list! :o)
>>
>> Glad to share what I have done so far. I know many that would say what
>> I am doing is perverting a great design, and thus far I have kept my
>> design elements quiet so as not to disrupt the flow of ideas here, but
>> perhaps there are other 'larger than should be' folks like me out
>> there, and so I will share, for better or for worse, my intended
>> design modifications.
>>
>> I am not an aeronautical engineer (neither was our beloved designer of
>> the original), but a long time modeler and designer and I am making
>> the wing mod's based on structural info I have found that seem to
>> verify that the wing spars are of more than sufficient strength at 1"
>> thick, and an additional 1" taller than originally called out --5.75"
>> in the fore spar, 5 5/8" in the rear--(Bernie's later designs were
>> using 3/4" thick spars, not the 1" thick he originally drew in the
>> plans). The wing bays are an added 2' on each side, requiring the
>> modifications of the tail surfaces to meet the design requirements of
>> stability with the extra wing. I might add a bit more to the
>> fin/rudder area to insure the stability and avoid a potential spin
>> problem mentioned earlier in this posting series. To accommodate the
>> added wing bays, I moved the spar attachments out one bay, lengthening
>> the wing struts a bit. I will be putting Jury struts on the struts as
>> recommended, and required by this additional length.
>>
>> These mods are not all completed in my sketch up drawing, but some can
>> be seen in the design attached. I played around with a concept you'll
>> see on these drawings that I found in a build of another plans built
>> LSA design: the AMF 14H Miranda. The designed used fiber reinforced
>> strapping material for the drag/anti-drag wires verses cable and
>> turnbuckles. He saved a TON of weight, and an equal amount of money as
>> those turnbuckles cost more than the birth of my children... You can
>> see this on the website www.mywoodenairplane.com which is an online
>> build log. The guy has a bunch left over and would most likely sell a
>> bunch of it cheap. He's a nice guy too... This tape/ribbon is the
>> stuff you see and get wrapped around any large box that's been
>> shipped. It's the stuff that has a heat sealed connection with the
>> other end of the tape where they meet. (It's not the stuff on a roll
>> that is sticky and you buy it at Office Max... this is the stuff you
>> can't break for your life.). Many of us have opened this stuff by
>> turning it over at the joint where the 2 ends meet and peeling one end
>> away from the other end and it releases the bond... Great stuff for
>> the drag/anti-drag system, and just as strong as the steel and
>> turnbuckles they replace. Anyway, that's what you see below drawn
>> into the wing. It is just one side of it. I need to draw in the other
>> side of the system, but now I can actually start building, so I will
>> most likely wait till I get closer to that assembly.
>>
>> Anyway, this is why it is called 'experimental' right ;o) I won't be
>> the first guy to try something, but if it looks to be done somewhere
>> else, I will consider it if it seemed to work out ok for the other guy
>> :o)
>>
>> Here's the pics of the drawing so far.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Charles Waldo
>> wrote:
>> > Mark
>> >
>> > Could you post a Jpg of your piet model in sketchup? Just wanted to
>> > see
>> > what yourmodel looks like and how far along you are on it.....
>> >
>> > Chuck
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Mark Roberts
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded as a Piet
>> >> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up because of
>> >> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my particular needs.
>> >>
>> >> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra width to the
>> >> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the nose a bit
>> >> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am using the
>> >> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra bay's I am adding to
>> >> the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1" thick,
>> >> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut connection points
>> >> out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed to insure
>> >> the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
>> >>
>> >> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design elements all
>> >> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that will be
>> >> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly, so I felt
>> >> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
>> >>
>> >> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the changes, and
>> >> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all around to
>> >> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about that
>> >> already.
>> >>
>> >> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done :o)
>> >>
>> >> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to correct
>> >> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing changes,
>> >> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's kept my
>> >> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't buy spit.
>> >> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can begin the
>> >> build proper...
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing I'll be doing
>> >> (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to build the
>> >> table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really gonna build
>> >> me a plane!
>> >>
>> >> Mark
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah wrote:
>> >> > Correctgood idea. Vic
>> >> >
>> >> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>> >> >> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
>> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
>> >> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver
>> >> >> > them
>> >> >> > to an
>> >> >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He
>> >> >> > owns
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser cutting machine for his
>> >> >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem!
>> >> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to
>> >> >> > perfection!"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach fittings,
>> >> >> cabane
>> >> >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a clearance issue
>> >> >> about
>> >> >> 1/2"
>> >> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings made
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this
>> >> >> forum
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to track build
>> >> >> time,
>> >> >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc. You can post an
>> >> >> online
>> >> >> version to the web and the print version is formatted very nicely
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick tool. If you want
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> see
>> >> >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my signature below.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --------
>> >> >> Mark Chouinard
>> >> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Read this topic online here:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > >======================
>> >> > &g===================
>> >> >>
>> >> >&=====
>> >> -Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
>> >> ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
>> >> target="_blank">ht======
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
Just build it, Mark. You'll be fine.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 2:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pilot Height
Well... the fuse is built as per the plans. I was advised NOT to go
changing the dimensions as it would just cause issues elsewhere. I can see
how bending a slightly deeper curve in the lower longerons at the rear seat
might have helped, and probably wouldn't have caused much of an issue, but
it is what it is... and I'm going to fly it. I just hope she is the gentle
flier that everyone describes.
Surely I'm not the first tall guy to try this... still waiting to hear from
others. I know that I asked a similar question back when I first started
building and nothing scared me off... I'm going to go look for that thread.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330634#330634
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
How many Piets have you tried on at Brodhead Mark ?
I'd side with Jack-- but build the long fuselage for your longer legs like you
and Jack have
plus the instrument panel won't be smack-dab in front of you like the short fuselage
feels at first...but
I got used to that in a hurry.
I'm fine in the short fuselage version at 5' 9 1/2" tall.
Mike C.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | man cave hangar decorating |
Thank you Ryan and the cool part is that the radio cost me $15 at a local F
lea Market....doesn't work but all the guts
are there.
I simply removed the speaker and put a CD player on a shelf behind the radi
o and play 1920's and 30's music or Big Band
music and it sounds like the real deal when folks visit the hangar.
The desk was the original airport desk from the airport office (and chair)
that was covered on top with 1960's linoleum and
heavy black glue. I stripped the top, put a new plywood top on the desk
with Liquid Nails, stained the whole shebang, drawers
and chair and there it sits. I use it too ! A lot !
The new owner of the airport (7 years ago when I moved my plane there) was
going to PITCH the desk since it was really used
as a workbench and was beat up but I saved it and now it serves well.
There is accent lighting running along that horizontal 2x4 doubler and a wo
rking green antique porcelain desk lamp for evening
time and the hangar has dropped lights from the rafters (new reproductions
of the old style) that light the place up pretty good
using only 6 100 watt light bulbs.
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
I met Pat Green once, and he told me the story of how he came to make
his rudder larger. He had been flying his Piet for a while (with a
crank snapping Corvair, Bernard Pietenpol conversion complete with the
cooling fan). He had a friend offer to try to spin it. Pat isn't very
tall at all, but his friend was 6'2" or so. The friend wore a parachute
and took the Piet up to blistering heights and started his spin.
Evidently Pat was yelling for him to jump out, because it spun a lot
more turns than expected, but eventually did recover. Later on in an
unrelated incident, Pat put the Piet over on its back ruining the
rudder. When he rebuilt it, he made it a few inches taller (not 10
inches though). He told me that it made the airplane easier to control
in the flare. I hadn't built my rudder yet when I heard this story, but
I built my rudder a little taller (I can't remember now how much, but I
think it was only 2 or 3 inches). I have never noticed any lack of
rudder authority, but I'm only 5'8".
Now.. who knows how much the tall spinning friend weigh with his
parachute, and where the CG was on that nearly fateful day? My rudder
is a little taller, but Jack Phillips is pretty tall and has never
mentioned any problems. 2 inches doesn't change the look of the
airplane, and If I didn't tell you it was there you'd never notice.
You've probably seen this statement before:
Build it to the plans....and you will have a great airplane.
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Florida
On 2/11/2011 12:10 PM, K5YAC wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC"
>
> I'm a little concerned about some of the comments I've heard recently about pilot
height, for example, in the Workbench thread...
>
>
> airlion(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
>> Mark, you might consider adding 10 inches to the verticle stab as Pat Green
did in florida after getting into a spin and finally recovering at 500 ft. I understand
that the pilot was real tall and blocked out the flow to the tail.
>> Good luck, Gardiner Mason
>
> I have been doing my best at keeping with the plans so far. I did raise the
height of my turtle deck a bit, but just barely more than my shoulders would normally
block, and this was only done for proper seatbelt placement. Are any
of you taller pilots experiencing ill effects? Given that I am 6'4" tall, are
there things I should consider in making my airplane more safe or stable? Basically,
do I need more rudder?
>
> Jack P., I know that you are pretty tall... care to comment in the rudder effectiveness
and what might (or should) be done to improve it?
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330603#330603
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
2 to go! Dares I say I'll finish this weekend?
Gary Boothe
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| From: | "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | hangar life isn't so bad....... |
Gary, Check out Barnstormers, West Virginia. My auto pilot Ed has a lot for sale
just across the runway from our place, the big red roof on the left side of
the near end of the runway. It needs some dirt work and the oil tank removed,
but the neighbors are great. ;<)
Skip
PS. Lots of sewing machines on the field.
----- Original Message -----
So, with all this talk of Hanger Houses, at lunch, I just had to ask my wife of
20+ years, How would you feel about living in a hanger with living quarters?
.Fine with me as long as I have room for a computer and a sewing machine. I have
no idea where one finds such airports, though! Certainly not here in California!
Gary Boothe
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | "gtche98" <gtche98(at)gmail.com> |
Good job on the models guys. In the process of trying to teach myself how to use
sketch-up (I have zero CAD experience), I tried to draw just a single rib.
Two hours later, I gave up with little more than the airfoil profile to show
for it.
I wish that you could buy a sketch-up model of the plane with the plans. it would
be nice to be able to spin a model around in 3 dimensions to figure out how
some things go together. Maybe one of you that are more talented than I should
offer to sell the rights to one of your models. :)
--------
Gary Wilson
Greenville Wisconsin
gtche98 (at) gmail ((dot)) com
Planning Phase
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330684#330684
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | hangar life isn't so bad....... |
Looks like beautiful country! We have great weather, here, but those kinds
of places just don't exist.
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skip Gadd
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hangar life isn't so bad.......
Gary, Check out Barnstormers, West Virginia. My auto pilot Ed has a lot for
sale just across the runway from our place, the big red roof on the left
side of the near end of the runway. It needs some dirt work and the oil tank
removed, but the neighbors are great. ;<)
Skip
PS. Lots of sewing machines on the field.
----- Original Message -----
So, with all this talk of Hanger Houses, at lunch, I just had to ask my wife
of 20+ years, "How would you feel about living in a hanger with living
quarters?" .."Fine with me - as long as I have room for a computer and a
sewing machine." I have no idea where one finds such airports, though!
Certainly not here in California!
Gary Boothe
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | man cave hangar decorating |
And then there is my hangar at Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia, where we we
will eventually build our Bed & Breakfast . Karen and I live in a 25'
travel trailer inside the hangar when we go up there, at least until the B&B
is completed (I might still be living in the hangar even then).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC / Smith Mountain Lake, VA
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 5:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: man cave hangar decorating
Thank you Ryan and the cool part is that the radio cost me $15 at a local
Flea Market..doesn't work but all the guts
are there.
I simply removed the speaker and put a CD player on a shelf behind the radio
and play 1920's and 30's music or Big Band
music and it sounds like the real deal when folks visit the hangar.
The desk was the original airport desk from the airport office (and chair)
that was covered on top with 1960's linoleum and
heavy black glue. I stripped the top, put a new plywood top on the desk
with Liquid Nails, stained the whole shebang, drawers
and chair and there it sits. I use it too ! A lot !
The new owner of the airport (7 years ago when I moved my plane there) was
going to PITCH the desk since it was really used
as a workbench and was beat up but I saved it and now it serves well.
There is accent lighting running along that horizontal 2x4 doubler and a
working green antique porcelain desk lamp for evening
time and the hangar has dropped lights from the rafters (new reproductions
of the old style) that light the place up pretty good
using only 6 100 watt light bulbs.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Where do you guys find this scatsup, or sketchup or whatever you call it?
Seems that you are spending an inordinate amount of time on it that could be
spent making sawdust. Of course, it may be critical to determining your
paint scheme.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gtche98
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 8:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
Good job on the models guys. In the process of trying to teach myself how
to use sketch-up (I have zero CAD experience), I tried to draw just a single
rib. Two hours later, I gave up with little more than the airfoil profile
to show for it.
I wish that you could buy a sketch-up model of the plane with the plans. it
would be nice to be able to spin a model around in 3 dimensions to figure
out how some things go together. Maybe one of you that are more talented
than I should offer to sell the rights to one of your models. :)
--------
Gary Wilson
Greenville Wisconsin
gtche98 (at) gmail ((dot)) com
Planning Phase
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330684#330684
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
Oh how stories go. When I flew in to see Pat Green about 5 years ago at
Hilliard field Florida just when I was building my Piet he told me that a friend
wanted to try spinning. As I recall, his friend entered the spin at 4500ft and
finally got out at about 500 ft.. I don't remember him saying anything about
flipping over while he was flying. He did tell me that he added 10 inches to the
rudder because of the added height of the pilot flying the spin. Also, he added
a couple of feet to his wingspan to get over the pine trees at his field. Pat is
a very nice person and a delight to talk to. I hope he is still flying his Piet.
I believe it is about 35 years old'. Cheers, Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 7:00:14 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pilot Height
I met Pat Green once, and he told me the story of how he came to make
his rudder larger. He had been flying his Piet for a while (with a
crank snapping Corvair, Bernard Pietenpol conversion complete with the
cooling fan). He had a friend offer to try to spin it. Pat isn't very
tall at all, but his friend was 6'2" or so. The friend wore a parachute
and took the Piet up to blistering heights and started his spin.
Evidently Pat was yelling for him to jump out, because it spun a lot
more turns than expected, but eventually did recover. Later on in an
unrelated incident, Pat put the Piet over on its back ruining the
rudder. When he rebuilt it, he made it a few inches taller (not 10
inches though). He told me that it made the airplane easier to control
in the flare. I hadn't built my rudder yet when I heard this story, but
I built my rudder a little taller (I can't remember now how much, but I
think it was only 2 or 3 inches). I have never noticed any lack of
rudder authority, but I'm only 5'8".
Now.. who knows how much the tall spinning friend weigh with his
parachute, and where the CG was on that nearly fateful day? My rudder
is a little taller, but Jack Phillips is pretty tall and has never
mentioned any problems. 2 inches doesn't change the look of the
airplane, and If I didn't tell you it was there you'd never notice.
You've probably seen this statement before:
Build it to the plans....and you will have a great airplane.
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Florida
On 2/11/2011 12:10 PM, K5YAC wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC"
>
> I'm a little concerned about some of the comments I've heard recently about
>pilot height, for example, in the Workbench thread...
>
>
> airlion(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
>> Mark, you might consider adding 10 inches to the verticle stab as Pat Green
did
>>in florida after getting into a spin and finally recovering at 500 ft. I
>>understand that the pilot was real tall and blocked out the flow to the tail.
>> Good luck, Gardiner Mason
>
> I have been doing my best at keeping with the plans so far. I did raise the
>height of my turtle deck a bit, but just barely more than my shoulders would
>normally block, and this was only done for proper seatbelt placement. Are any
>of you taller pilots experiencing ill effects? Given that I am 6'4" tall, are
>there things I should consider in making my airplane more safe or stable?
>Basically, do I need more rudder?
>
> Jack P., I know that you are pretty tall... care to comment in the rudder
>effectiveness and what might (or should) be done to improve it?
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330603#330603
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Need some tunes in the garage. |
| From: | Andrew M Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com> |
You know what's boring? Ironing down the edges of tapes is boring.
--
Andrew Eldredge
Sahuarita, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Need some tunes in the garage. |
| From: | Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
I recommend the Andrew's sisters, benny goodman, and Billie holiday!
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:01 PM, Andrew M Eldredge w
rote:
> You know what's boring? Ironing down the edges of tapes is boring.
>
> --
> Andrew Eldredge
> Sahuarita, AZ
>
>
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need some tunes in the garage. |
But it also means you are in the home stretch...having your Pietenpol
finished, but the weather not allowing you to fly it..Thats boring!
Ben Charvet
On 2/11/2011 10:01 PM, Andrew M Eldredge wrote:
> You know what's boring? Ironing down the edges of tapes is boring.
>
> --
> Andrew Eldredge
> Sahuarita, AZ
> *
>
>
> *
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr(at)gmail.com> |
yep....
Chuck
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
> Nicely Done! Did you do that in Sketch Up?
>
> Mark
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Charles Waldo
> wrote:
> > Mark
> >
> > Sorry to put your life on the line like this Mike, but I wanted to see
> > how you did your drawings. I have also put my flame proof long johns on
> as I
> > have done the same thing! I thought it would be nice to "build" the plane
> > first in a computer and see how everything fits together. I'm not a cad
> guy,
> > but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once :) I've been at it for a couple of
> > months in my spare time. Everything but the rib is "stock" to the
> plans(went
> > with the 612). I was amazed how many times I had made mistakes and had to
> > move, cut or remake a part in the model (Just like the real builders do).
> > I'm glad I did it. It will save me a lot of time, frustration and money
> in
> > the building process (I hope). It will also be a great reference as I can
> > zoom and rotate it to see the part I'm working on and how it fits in with
> > other parts. The model is almost done and the shop is almost ready to go.
> > Wood will be here next month. Attached is a picture of my drawing (I
> > hope).....
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Mark Roberts
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, Chuck, you are really trying to get me Flamed, banned and thrown
> >> off this list! :o)
> >>
> >> Glad to share what I have done so far. I know many that would say what
> >> I am doing is perverting a great design, and thus far I have kept my
> >> design elements quiet so as not to disrupt the flow of ideas here, but
> >> perhaps there are other 'larger than should be' folks like me out
> >> there, and so I will share, for better or for worse, my intended
> >> design modifications.
> >>
> >> I am not an aeronautical engineer (neither was our beloved designer of
> >> the original), but a long time modeler and designer and I am making
> >> the wing mod's based on structural info I have found that seem to
> >> verify that the wing spars are of more than sufficient strength at 1"
> >> thick, and an additional 1" taller than originally called out --5.75"
> >> in the fore spar, 5 5/8" in the rear--(Bernie's later designs were
> >> using 3/4" thick spars, not the 1" thick he originally drew in the
> >> plans). The wing bays are an added 2' on each side, requiring the
> >> modifications of the tail surfaces to meet the design requirements of
> >> stability with the extra wing. I might add a bit more to the
> >> fin/rudder area to insure the stability and avoid a potential spin
> >> problem mentioned earlier in this posting series. To accommodate the
> >> added wing bays, I moved the spar attachments out one bay, lengthening
> >> the wing struts a bit. I will be putting Jury struts on the struts as
> >> recommended, and required by this additional length.
> >>
> >> These mods are not all completed in my sketch up drawing, but some can
> >> be seen in the design attached. I played around with a concept you'll
> >> see on these drawings that I found in a build of another plans built
> >> LSA design: the AMF 14H Miranda. The designed used fiber reinforced
> >> strapping material for the drag/anti-drag wires verses cable and
> >> turnbuckles. He saved a TON of weight, and an equal amount of money as
> >> those turnbuckles cost more than the birth of my children... You can
> >> see this on the website www.mywoodenairplane.com which is an online
> >> build log. The guy has a bunch left over and would most likely sell a
> >> bunch of it cheap. He's a nice guy too... This tape/ribbon is the
> >> stuff you see and get wrapped around any large box that's been
> >> shipped. It's the stuff that has a heat sealed connection with the
> >> other end of the tape where they meet. (It's not the stuff on a roll
> >> that is sticky and you buy it at Office Max... this is the stuff you
> >> can't break for your life.). Many of us have opened this stuff by
> >> turning it over at the joint where the 2 ends meet and peeling one end
> >> away from the other end and it releases the bond... Great stuff for
> >> the drag/anti-drag system, and just as strong as the steel and
> >> turnbuckles they replace. Anyway, that's what you see below drawn
> >> into the wing. It is just one side of it. I need to draw in the other
> >> side of the system, but now I can actually start building, so I will
> >> most likely wait till I get closer to that assembly.
> >>
> >> Anyway, this is why it is called 'experimental' right ;o) I won't be
> >> the first guy to try something, but if it looks to be done somewhere
> >> else, I will consider it if it seemed to work out ok for the other guy
> >> :o)
> >>
> >> Here's the pics of the drawing so far.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Charles Waldo
> >> wrote:
> >> > Mark
> >> >
> >> > Could you post a Jpg of your piet model in sketchup? Just wanted to
> >> > see
> >> > what your model looks like and how far along you are on it.....
> >> >
> >> > Chuck
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Mark Roberts >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded as a Piet
> >> >> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up because of
> >> >> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my particular
> needs.
> >> >>
> >> >> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra width to the
> >> >> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the nose a bit
> >> >> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am using the
> >> >> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra bay's I am adding
> to
> >> >> the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1" thick,
> >> >> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut connection
> points
> >> >> out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed to insure
> >> >> the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
> >> >>
> >> >> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design elements all
> >> >> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that will be
> >> >> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly, so I felt
> >> >> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
> >> >>
> >> >> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the changes, and
> >> >> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all around to
> >> >> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about that
> >> >> already.
> >> >>
> >> >> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done :o)
> >> >>
> >> >> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to correct
> >> >> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing changes,
> >> >> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's kept my
> >> >> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't buy spit.
> >> >> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can begin the
> >> >> build proper...
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing I'll be
> doing
> >> >> (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to build the
> >> >> table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really gonna
> build
> >> >> me a plane!
> >> >>
> >> >> Mark
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah
> wrote:
> >> >> > Correct good idea. Vic
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
> >> >> >> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
> >> >> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up
> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> > Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can deliver
> >> >> >> > them
> >> >> >> > to an
> >> >> >> > old acquaintance I have recently renewed a relationship with. He
> >> >> >> > owns
> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> > steel fabrication company, and has a laser cutting machine for
> his
> >> >> >> > fabrication plant. He said "How thick are the parts? NO problem!
> >> >> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to
> >> >> >> > perfection!"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach
> fittings,
> >> >> >> cabane
> >> >> >> strut fittings and anything else that might be a clearance issue
> >> >> >> about
> >> >> >> 1/2"
> >> >> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings
> made
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> plans can create minor clearance issues.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this
> >> >> >> forum
> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to track build
> >> >> >> time,
> >> >> >> photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc. You can post an
> >> >> >> online
> >> >> >> version to the web and the print version is formatted very nicely
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> will
> >> >> >> make a nice hardcopy of the log book. Pretty slick tool. If you
> want
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> see
> >> >> >> an example, check out my kitlog link in my signature below.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --------
> >> >> >> Mark Chouinard
> >> >> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on
> Fuselage
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Read this topic online here:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > >======================
> >> >> > &g===================
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >&=====
> >> >> -Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr(at)gmail.com> |
Jack
I'm hoping that the little time I have spent on this converts to lots of
GOOD saw dust and very little BAD saw dust...lol
Sketchup is a free 3D cad program from Google......
Chuck
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>
> Where do you guys find this scatsup, or sketchup or whatever you call it?
> Seems that you are spending an inordinate amount of time on it that could
> be
> spent making sawdust. Of course, it may be critical to determining your
> paint scheme.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gtche98
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 8:43 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>
>
> Good job on the models guys. In the process of trying to teach myself how
> to use sketch-up (I have zero CAD experience), I tried to draw just a
> single
> rib. Two hours later, I gave up with little more than the airfoil profile
> to show for it.
>
> I wish that you could buy a sketch-up model of the plane with the plans.
> it
> would be nice to be able to spin a model around in 3 dimensions to figure
> out how some things go together. Maybe one of you that are more talented
> than I should offer to sell the rights to one of your models. :)
>
> --------
> Gary Wilson
> Greenville Wisconsin
> gtche98 (at) gmail ((dot)) com
> Planning Phase
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330684#330684
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I have built the long fuse and angled the seat back 3" at the top. I plan to have
the seat as low as possible without interfering with the control assemblies.
I'll just press on... not much choice in the matter at this point... she's
all framed up.
Mike... I've only sat in a Grega one time, here at my local field. It was tight
(mostly in the leg department) but I had my big ol work boots on. I think (hope)
the long Piet can be made a bit more roomy as I build it for myself. Dom
Emch offered to let me sit in his at Brodhead 09, and I started to climb in,
but just didn't feel comfortable doing it. I was afraid I would damage something
and then I would have to walk the field in shame. I mean, each of those
airplanes looks like fine furniture to me... I'd hate to leave as much as a scratch.
If I remember correctly, Don told me that he built his to plans and he
fits just fine. He is a bit slimmer than I am, but still pretty tall. I believe
I could have got in ok, I was just concerned that my big foot would go right
through the floor or something... I know now that probably wasn't very likely.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330711#330711
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
All major components together at the same time for the first time.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330714#330714
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/wings_on_167.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Must be a great feeling. Looks neat!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330715#330715
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| Subject: | Help please: MA-3SPA Carb |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Hi all....I have also posted this on a Corvair forum. Thought someone here may
know something too.
I have had the offer of a MA-3SPA Carb. Part No. 10-4115 Serial No. AV21410 FAA
PA for my Corvair. This Carb has just been removed from a Cessna 150 with an
O-200. The owner has fitted a ROTEC throttle body carb to it.
I know WW says to use the MA-3SPA 10-4894. I believe the 10-4894 is off the O-200?
Does this mean this carb I have been offered will work the same? Can anyone
educate me as to what the difference is?
Maybe this one could be rebuilt as a 10-4894?
Thank you one and all for any help as it is a good price and comes with the airbox/filter
and cables I believe.
Scotty
Australia
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330721#330721
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| Subject: | Re: Need some tunes in the garage. |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Waiting for paint to dry is right up there.dave
do no archive
--------
Covering Piet
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330729#330729
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| Subject: | man-cave hangar decorating |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
And a different twist altogether, with us living in one hangar and the airp
lanes in another. Puryear, TN.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Tail Wheel Spring Question |
Morning all,
I am debating whether to use a leaf spring or the welded up assembly for
my
tail wheel. The attached pictures show a leaf spring (2). They are
=BC=94 x
about 14=94, quite stiff. It=92s hard to deflect just one of the
springs. Was
wondering if I could get by with just one leaf to save some weight,
understanding I would be screwed if it broke.
Question number 2. That is a Scott tail wheel model 3-24R. I know zip
about these except I had one on my 140. It appears when one or both of
the
side arms is pulled forward it locks the wheel so as to turn the wheel
with
the deflection of the arm. The arms don=92t =93spring back=94 to the
rear
unlocking the wheel. Should they?
Thanks in advance!
Jack
DSM
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Man-cave hangar decorating |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
And a different twist altogether, us living in one hangar and the airplanes
in another.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Tail Wheel Spring Question |
Further investigation revels it=92s a Scott 3-24B which now is a Scott
2000.
Additional files attached. These things are expensive!
Jack
DSM
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
Morning all,
I am debating whether to use a leaf spring or the welded up assembly for
my
tail wheel. The attached pictures show a leaf spring (2). They are
=BC=94 x
about 14=94, quite stiff. It=92s hard to deflect just one of the
springs. Was
wondering if I could get by with just one leaf to save some weight,
understanding I would be screwed if it broke.
Question number 2. That is a Scott tail wheel model 3-24R. I know zip
about these except I had one on my 140. It appears when one or both of
the
side arms is pulled forward it locks the wheel so as to turn the wheel
with
the deflection of the arm. The arms don=92t =93spring back=94 to the
rear
unlocking the wheel. Should they?
Thanks in advance!
Jack
DSM
<<...>> <<...>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Mark,
Flamed, Yes. Banned, I don't think so...
Most of what you propose has already been done, to some extent. 4' center
sections, enlarged tail surfaces, deeper fuselage, taller panel and
turtledeck, tipped back pilot seat, etc. The only new idea I see is the
plastic drag 'wires'...interesting idea! I say, "Experiment away...!" And
let He Who Says He Built To Plans speak up, 'cause I have yet to see anyone
with a ternplate fuel tank...
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
Well, Chuck, you are really trying to get me Flamed, banned and thrown off
this list! :o)
Glad to share what I have done so far. I know many that would say what I am
doing is perverting a great design, and thus far I have kept my design
elements quiet so as not to disrupt the flow of ideas here, but perhaps
there are other 'larger than should be' folks like me out there, and so I
will share, for better or for worse, my intended design modifications.
I am not an aeronautical engineer (neither was our beloved designer of the
original), but a long time modeler and designer and I am making the wing
mod's based on structural info I have found that seem to verify that the
wing spars are of more than sufficient strength at 1"
thick, and an additional 1" taller than originally called out --5.75"
in the fore spar, 5 5/8" in the rear--(Bernie's later designs were using
3/4" thick spars, not the 1" thick he originally drew in the plans). The
wing bays are an added 2' on each side, requiring the modifications of the
tail surfaces to meet the design requirements of stability with the extra
wing. I might add a bit more to the fin/rudder area to insure the stability
and avoid a potential spin problem mentioned earlier in this posting series.
To accommodate the added wing bays, I moved the spar attachments out one
bay, lengthening the wing struts a bit. I will be putting Jury struts on the
struts as recommended, and required by this additional length.
These mods are not all completed in my sketch up drawing, but some can be
seen in the design attached. I played around with a concept you'll see on
these drawings that I found in a build of another plans built LSA design:
the AMF 14H Miranda. The designed used fiber reinforced strapping material
for the drag/anti-drag wires verses cable and turnbuckles. He saved a TON of
weight, and an equal amount of money as those turnbuckles cost more than the
birth of my children... You can see this on the website
www.mywoodenairplane.com which is an online build log. The guy has a bunch
left over and would most likely sell a bunch of it cheap. He's a nice guy
too... This tape/ribbon is the stuff you see and get wrapped around any
large box that's been shipped. It's the stuff that has a heat sealed
connection with the other end of the tape where they meet. (It's not the
stuff on a roll that is sticky and you buy it at Office Max... this is the
stuff you can't break for your life.). Many of us have opened this stuff by
turning it over at the joint where the 2 ends meet and peeling one end away
from the other end and it releases the bond... Great stuff for the
drag/anti-drag system, and just as strong as the steel and turnbuckles they
replace. Anyway, that's what you see below drawn into the wing. It is just
one side of it. I need to draw in the other side of the system, but now I
can actually start building, so I will most likely wait till I get closer to
that assembly.
Anyway, this is why it is called 'experimental' right ;o) I won't be
the first guy to try something, but if it looks to be done somewhere else, I
will consider it if it seemed to work out ok for the other guy
:o)
Here's the pics of the drawing so far.
Mark
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Charles Waldo wrote:
> Mark
>
> Could you post a Jpg of your piet model in sketchup? Just wanted to
> see what yourmodel looks like and how far along you are on it.....
>
> Chuck
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Mark Roberts
> wrote:
>>
>> -->
>>
>> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded as a Piet
>> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up because of
>> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my particular needs.
>>
>> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra width to the
>> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the nose a bit
>> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am using the
>> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra bay's I am adding
>> to the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1" thick,
>> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut connection
>> points out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed to
>> insure the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
>>
>> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design elements all
>> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that will be
>> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly, so I felt
>> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
>>
>> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the changes, and
>> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all around to
>> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about that
>> already.
>>
>> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done :o)
>>
>> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to correct
>> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing changes,
>> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's kept my
>> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't buy spit.
>> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can begin the
>> build proper...
>>
>> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing I'll be
>> doing (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to build
>> the table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really gonna
>> build me a plane!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah wrote:
>> > Correctgood idea. Vic
>> >
>> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>> >> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
>> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
>> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up
>> >> > in Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can
>> >> > deliver them to an old acquaintance I have recently renewed a
>> >> > relationship with. He owns a steel fabrication company, and has
>> >> > a laser cutting machine for his fabrication plant. He said "How
>> >> > thick are the parts? NO problem!
>> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to
>> >> > perfection!"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach
>> >> fittings, cabane strut fittings and anything else that might be a
>> >> clearance issue about 1/2"
>> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings
>> >> made to the plans can create minor clearance issues.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this
>> >> forum for us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to
>> >> track build time, photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc.
>> >> You can post an online version to the web and the print version is
>> >> formatted very nicely and will make a nice hardcopy of the log
>> >> book. Pretty slick tool. If you want to see an example, check out
>> >> my kitlog link in my signature below.
>> >>
>> >> --------
>> >> Mark Chouinard
>> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on
>> >> Fuselage
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Read this topic online here:
>> >>
>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Looks beautiful, Bill
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BYD
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Finally
All major components together at the same time for the first time.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330714#330714
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/wings_on_167.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com> |
Way to go, Bill Sayre!!!
A Pietenpol Air Camper that looks like an Air Camper. No stretching, widening,
exotic upgrades or new-fangled engines. A proud reminder of a simpler and more
independent-thinking America when tinkerers made icons in their barns.
I have often wondered how many others out in Matronics land are making a basic
no-frills airplane with nothing more than basic tools and their own native
intelligence but aren't saying anything because there isn't much of an ego boost
in announcing that you're trying to stay true to the plans and the flavor of the
30's. I hope there are a lot.
Sorry, just musing on a snowy Saturday morning......in my hangar-home......with
my wife......and her sewing machine.....looking at some empty lots that need
more hangar homes......with Pietenpols in them.
Larry W.
NX899LW
1AR9
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: man cave hangar decorating |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I am a mile from the airport where I am building... while I do have a desk and
a computer there, it isn't a plush man cave since most of the space is taken up
by tooling, materials and assemblies. I hope to reorganize once the bird is
assembled because we do enjoy hanging out at the field. Wife and kiddo love
riding their bikes up there... a fridge and the grill are often kept there in
the warmer months so we can throw on some burgers and keep making progress. Definitely
a fun place to hang out. I know that Theresa and Tyler would love to
live closer to our friends on the field (and me too)... perhaps one day we will.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330751#330751
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Larry, I think you're quite right. There are a LOT of guys out there just
quietly building, without changing much if anything, and making great
progress. A couple of weeks ago I went to eastern North Carolina (right off
Pamlico Sound) to help Don Lane do the weight and balance on his beautiful
Model A powered Pietenpol. Don is on the list, but is a quiet lurker,
preferring to spend his time building airplane parts. He reads the list and
uses what seems useful to him. He has done a really nice job on his
airplane. Now I'm trying to convince him to fly it to Brodhead this summer
or next, depending on how long it takes him to get comfortable with it.
Here is a picture of it (Don, I hope you don't mind me posting this without
asking you):
It should be ready to fly in a few weeks. Note his hand-carved propeller.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Williams
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 9:17 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re:finally
Way to go, Bill Sayre!!!
A Pietenpol Air Camper that looks like an Air Camper. No stretching,
widening, exotic upgrades or new-fangled engines. A proud reminder of a
simpler and more independent-thinking America when tinkerers made icons in
their barns.
I have often wondered how many others out in Matronics land are making a
basic no-frills airplane with nothing more than basic tools and their own
native intelligence but aren't saying anything because there isn't much of
an ego boost in announcing that you're trying to stay true to the plans and
the flavor of the 30's. I hope there are a lot.
Sorry, just musing on a snowy Saturday morning......in my
hangar-home......with my wife......and her sewing machine.....looking at
some empty lots that need more hangar homes......with Pietenpols in them.
Larry W.
NX899LW
1AR9
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: man-cave hangar decorating |
I like that A Lot. Good clean look, not trying to be something it is not.
Yahoo.
Steve D.
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011 16:54
Subject: Pietenpol-List: man-cave hangar decorating
>
> And a different twist altogether, with us living in one hangar and
> the airplanes in another. Puryear, TN.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Beautiful airplanes. Congratulations to all.
Y'all didn't know I existed until I posted the pictures after the first flight.
The list is great but during building it felt like the internet was a distraction
that didn't add much forward motion to to the process.
Wouldn't call it an ego boost, but I'm personally kinda proud of the fact that
I stuck really close to the plans, yet still fly the tar out of it.
In fairness, there are lots of guys out there building who do spend some time posting
here. I've also made a LOT of really good friends here.
Respectfully,
Kevin
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330768#330768
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Tail Wheel Spring Question |
Still hoping for some assistance=85
Anybody have knowledge on the Scott tail wheels?
Thoughts on leaf springs, one, two or none?
Thanks
Jack
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:54 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
Further investigation revels it=92s a Scott 3-24B which now is a Scott
2000.
Additional files attached. These things are expensive!
Jack
DSM
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
Morning all,
I am debating whether to use a leaf spring or the welded up assembly for
my
tail wheel. The attached pictures show a leaf spring (2). They are
=BC=94 x
about 14=94, quite stiff. It=92s hard to deflect just one of the
springs. Was
wondering if I could get by with just one leaf to save some weight,
understanding I would be screwed if it broke.
Question number 2. That is a Scott tail wheel model 3-24R. I know zip
about these except I had one on my 140. It appears when one or both of
the
side arms is pulled forward it locks the wheel so as to turn the wheel
with
the deflection of the arm. The arms don=92t =93spring back=94 to the
rear
unlocking the wheel. Should they?
Thanks in advance!
Jack
DSM
<<...>> <<...>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
That's GREAT news Bill Sayre and congratulations ! Good to see you posting on
the list and that you're getting closer to flying your Pietenpol. I know you
miss your Boredom Fighter but hopefully you're still flying the Stinson.
Keep plugging !
Mike C.
Ohio
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Incidentally, what is 'ternplate'?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>
> Mark,
>
> Flamed, Yes. Banned, I don't think so...
>
> Most of what you propose has already been done, to some extent. 4' center
> sections, enlarged tail surfaces, deeper fuselage, taller panel and
> turtledeck, tipped back pilot seat, etc. The only new idea I see is the
> plastic drag 'wires'...interesting idea! I say, "Experiment away...!" And
> let He Who Says He Built To Plans speak up, 'cause I have yet to see
> anyone
> with a ternplate fuel tank...
>
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
> Roberts
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:10 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>
> Well, Chuck, you are really trying to get me Flamed, banned and thrown off
> this list! :o)
>
> Glad to share what I have done so far. I know many that would say what I
> am
> doing is perverting a great design, and thus far I have kept my design
> elements quiet so as not to disrupt the flow of ideas here, but perhaps
> there are other 'larger than should be' folks like me out there, and so I
> will share, for better or for worse, my intended design modifications.
>
> I am not an aeronautical engineer (neither was our beloved designer of the
> original), but a long time modeler and designer and I am making the wing
> mod's based on structural info I have found that seem to verify that the
> wing spars are of more than sufficient strength at 1"
> thick, and an additional 1" taller than originally called out --5.75"
> in the fore spar, 5 5/8" in the rear--(Bernie's later designs were using
> 3/4" thick spars, not the 1" thick he originally drew in the plans). The
> wing bays are an added 2' on each side, requiring the modifications of the
> tail surfaces to meet the design requirements of stability with the extra
> wing. I might add a bit more to the fin/rudder area to insure the
> stability
> and avoid a potential spin problem mentioned earlier in this posting
> series.
> To accommodate the added wing bays, I moved the spar attachments out one
> bay, lengthening the wing struts a bit. I will be putting Jury struts on
> the
> struts as recommended, and required by this additional length.
>
> These mods are not all completed in my sketch up drawing, but some can be
> seen in the design attached. I played around with a concept you'll see on
> these drawings that I found in a build of another plans built LSA design:
> the AMF 14H Miranda. The designed used fiber reinforced strapping material
> for the drag/anti-drag wires verses cable and turnbuckles. He saved a TON
> of
> weight, and an equal amount of money as those turnbuckles cost more than
> the
> birth of my children... You can see this on the website
> www.mywoodenairplane.com which is an online build log. The guy has a bunch
> left over and would most likely sell a bunch of it cheap. He's a nice guy
> too... This tape/ribbon is the stuff you see and get wrapped around any
> large box that's been shipped. It's the stuff that has a heat sealed
> connection with the other end of the tape where they meet. (It's not the
> stuff on a roll that is sticky and you buy it at Office Max... this is the
> stuff you can't break for your life.). Many of us have opened this stuff
> by
> turning it over at the joint where the 2 ends meet and peeling one end
> away
> from the other end and it releases the bond... Great stuff for the
> drag/anti-drag system, and just as strong as the steel and turnbuckles
> they
> replace. Anyway, that's what you see below drawn into the wing. It is
> just
> one side of it. I need to draw in the other side of the system, but now I
> can actually start building, so I will most likely wait till I get closer
> to
> that assembly.
>
> Anyway, this is why it is called 'experimental' right ;o) I won't be
> the first guy to try something, but if it looks to be done somewhere else,
> I
> will consider it if it seemed to work out ok for the other guy
> :o)
>
> Here's the pics of the drawing so far.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Charles Waldo
> wrote:
>> Mark
>>
>> Could you post a Jpg of your piet model in sketchup? Just wanted to
>> see what your model looks like and how far along you are on it.....
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Mark Roberts
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> -->
>>>
>>> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded as a Piet
>>> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up because of
>>> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my particular needs.
>>>
>>> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra width to the
>>> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the nose a bit
>>> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am using the
>>> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra bay's I am adding
>>> to the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1" thick,
>>> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut connection
>>> points out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed to
>>> insure the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
>>>
>>> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design elements all
>>> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that will be
>>> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly, so I felt
>>> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
>>>
>>> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the changes, and
>>> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all around to
>>> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about that
>>> already.
>>>
>>> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done :o)
>>>
>>> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to correct
>>> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing changes,
>>> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's kept my
>>> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't buy spit.
>>> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can begin the
>>> build proper...
>>>
>>> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing I'll be
>>> doing (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to build
>>> the table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really gonna
>>> build me a plane!
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah wrote:
>>> > Correct good idea. Vic
>>> >
>>> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>>> >> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
>>> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
>>> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>>> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up
>>> >> > in Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can
>>> >> > deliver them to an old acquaintance I have recently renewed a
>>> >> > relationship with. He owns a steel fabrication company, and has
>>> >> > a laser cutting machine for his fabrication plant. He said "How
>>> >> > thick are the parts? NO problem!
>>> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to
>>> >> > perfection!"
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach
>>> >> fittings, cabane strut fittings and anything else that might be a
>>> >> clearance issue about 1/2"
>>> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings
>>> >> made to the plans can create minor clearance issues.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
>>> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this
>>> >> forum for us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to
>>> >> track build time, photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc.
>>> >> You can post an online version to the web and the print version is
>>> >> formatted very nicely and will make a nice hardcopy of the log
>>> >> book. Pretty slick tool. If you want to see an example, check out
>>> >> my kitlog link in my signature below.
>>> >>
>>> >> --------
>>> >> Mark Chouinard
>>> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on
>>> >> Fuselage
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Read this topic online here:
>>> >>
>>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> > >======================
>>> > &g===================
>>> >>
>>> >&=====
>>> -Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
>>> ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
>>> target="_blank">ht======
>>> http://forums.mle, List Admin.
>>> ====
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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>
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
I thought I would post an update photo of my progress. Here is a picture I took
this morning of my Pietenpol with its wheels on for the first time. Finished
up the axle welding yesterday. When I bolted on the brakes and put the wheels
on everything fit perfect!. The cowling is finished from the firewall back. Now
I really have no excuse to finish up my corvair engine.
By the way, I used Buchanan spokes, but did not have them laced up by Buchanans.
My next door neighbor restores motorcycles and he and I did it ourselves. It
was any easy process and fun to do.
As soon as the weather breaks this spring, I'll be moving the Piet out to the hanger
and putting on the wings.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso IN
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel Spring Question |
Tail Wheel Spring QuestionJack, I had a Scott tail wheel on a PA22/20
conversion I did several years ago. Have no idea what the type number
was. I think it had 2 springs, but it was quite a bit heavier than a
Piet. Personnally, I would think one spring would suffice. Do you
already have the tail wheel? If not, I would recommend you consider a
Matco -- much less expensive. I think I will build the tail wheel like
the plans only not have the skid welded to the bottom plate, then bolt
the Matco to the plate that joins the two arms. Maybe have a short
piece of like 1/8 thick material between the plate and the tail wheel.
Don't know where I'll get the coil spring.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
Still hoping for some assistance.
Anybody have knowledge on the Scott tail wheels?
Thoughts on leaf springs, one, two or none?
Thanks
Jack
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:54 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
Further investigation revels it's a Scott 3-24B which now is a Scott
2000. Additional files attached. These things are expensive!
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:08 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
Morning all,
I am debating whether to use a leaf spring or the welded up assembly
for my tail wheel. The attached pictures show a leaf spring (2). They
are =BC" x about 14", quite stiff. It's hard to deflect just one of the
springs. Was wondering if I could get by with just one leaf to save
some weight, understanding I would be screwed if it broke.
Question number 2. That is a Scott tail wheel model 3-24R. I know
zip about these except I had one on my 140. It appears when one or both
of the side arms is pulled forward it locks the wheel so as to turn the
wheel with the deflection of the arm. The arms don't "spring back" to
the rear unlocking the wheel. Should they?
Thanks in advance!
Jack
DSM
<<...>> <<...>>
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel Spring Question |
Thanks Charles, I do have the Scott and mounted it today. I used both
springs to be sure the assembly wouldn=92t get close to the rudder with
a bad
landing. I=92m using two bolts to mount it. Does anyone have an idea
on the
best size? AN5, AN6, AN8, AN15=85.
Thanks,
Jack
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
Jack, I had a Scott tail wheel on a PA22/20 conversion I did several
years
ago. Have no idea what the type number was. I think it had 2 springs,
but
it was quite a bit heavier than a Piet. Personnally, I would think one
spring would suffice. Do you already have the tail wheel? If not, I
would
recommend you consider a Matco -- much less expensive. I think I will
build
the tail wheel like the plans only not have the skid welded to the
bottom
plate, then bolt the Matco to the plate that joins the two arms. Maybe
have
a short piece of like 1/8 thick material between the plate and the tail
wheel. Don't know where I'll get the coil spring.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack <mailto:jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
Still hoping for some assistance=85
Anybody have knowledge on the Scott tail wheels?
Thoughts on leaf springs, one, two or none?
Thanks
Jack
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:54 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
Further investigation revels it=92s a Scott 3-24B which now is a Scott
2000.
Additional files attached. These things are expensive!
Jack
DSM
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
Morning all,
I am debating whether to use a leaf spring or the welded up assembly for
my
tail wheel. The attached pictures show a leaf spring (2). They are
=BC=94 x
about 14=94, quite stiff. It=92s hard to deflect just one of the
springs. Was
wondering if I could get by with just one leaf to save some weight,
understanding I would be screwed if it broke.
Question number 2. That is a Scott tail wheel model 3-24R. I know zip
about these except I had one on my 140. It appears when one or both of
the
side arms is pulled forward it locks the wheel so as to turn the wheel
with
the deflection of the arm. The arms don=92t =93spring back=94 to the
rear
unlocking the wheel. Should they?
Thanks in advance!
Jack
DSM
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
Sheet steel coated with a mixture or tin and lead/zinc. Commonly used in the
construction of fuel tanks many years ago.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
>
> Incidentally, what is 'ternplate'?
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
I think the correct term is ternplate ??
Kip Gardner
On Feb 12, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Greg Cardinal wrote:
>
> Sheet steel coated with a mixture or tin and lead/zinc. Commonly used in the
construction of fuel tanks many years ago.
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
>>
>> Incidentally, what is 'ternplate'?
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel Spring Question |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Jack,I am using a Scott 2000 with a 4 leaf
Citabria 7ac spring, 3 and a helper spring.They are good tailwheels but forget
about any new parts for them.Have it bolted on with an AN6 and a bracket at the
rear.Dave
--------
Covering Piet
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330818#330818
Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Terneplate, actually....
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> wrote:
> kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
>
> I think the correct term is ternplate ??
>
> Kip Gardner
>
> On Feb 12, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Greg Cardinal wrote:
>
> gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
> >
> > Sheet steel coated with a mixture or tin and lead/zinc. Commonly used in
> the construction of fuel tanks many years ago.
> >
> > Greg Cardinal
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Campbell" <
> cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
> >>
> >> Incidentally, what is 'ternplate'?
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Help please: MA-3SPA Carb |
Not sure what the difference is between P/N's, I am not even sure what P/N
(besides ma3 sp)-we have on dad's corvair.- From what little I have rea
d on the corvair carborator choices, any MA-3SPA should work fine.- Read
up in Wynne's Manual, and see how many cubic feet of air the carb can flow
(if you can find the specs).- The venturi might be a different size, or m
aybe just a different size jet.- I would say if you can get it for a reas
onable price try it.- The carb we have was origionally intended for an 0-
200 for a cassutt racer.
--- On Sat, 2/12/11, bubbleboy wrote:
From: bubbleboy <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Help please: MA-3SPA Carb
Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 1:52 AM
m>
Hi all....I have also posted this on a Corvair forum. Thought someone here
may know something too.
I have had the offer of a MA-3SPA Carb. Part No. 10-4115 Serial No. AV21410
FAA PA for my Corvair. This Carb has just been removed from a Cessna 150 w
ith an O-200. The owner has fitted a ROTEC throttle body carb to it.
I know WW says to use the MA-3SPA 10-4894. I believe the 10-4894 is off the
O-200? Does this mean this carb I have been offered will work the same? Ca
n anyone educate me as to what the difference is?
Maybe this one could be rebuilt as a 10-4894?
Thank you one and all for any help as it is a good price and comes with the
airbox/filter and cables I believe.
Scotty
Australia
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330721#330721
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
WoW!! Looks great!!! congratulations on the progress. A lot of work done.
How long have you been working on it. Keep up the good work. Vic 414MV
Long Corvair. Califonia
From: lmforge(at)earthlink.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Progress
Date: Sat=2C 12 Feb 2011 14:39:34 -0600
I thought I would post an update photo of my progress. Here is a picture I
took this morning of my Pietenpol with its wheels on for the first time. Fi
nished up the axle welding yesterday. When I bolted on the brakes and put t
he wheels on everything fit perfect!. The cowling is finished from the fire
wall back. Now I really have no excuse to finish up my corvair engine.
By the way=2C I used Buchanan spokes=2C but did not have them laced up by B
uchanans. My next door neighbor restores motorcycles and he and I did it ou
rselves. It was any easy process and fun to do.
As soon as the weather breaks this spring=2C I'll be moving the Piet out to
the hanger and putting on the wings.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso IN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kimball Isaac <kim.integrity(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
Brad
I am also 6'2 technically 6'1 3/4 about 250 lbs is your Piet standard
length, width, and depth? just wondering where to start with my fuse
mockup. Dont want to build 3 of them if i can help it.:-)
Kim
On 12/02/2011 2:21 PM, bradandlinda tds.net wrote:
> to K5YAC Mark, I am 6'2" tall. When Rob Bach built my Aircamper
> (NX29NX) he moved the rudder pedals and heel brakes a little over 2"
> forward and it works great. We also had to cut out the upper portion
> of the foot openings to provide clearance for my shin bones. You
> could cut your legs shorter as someone suggested but if the operation
> failed, you couldn't sue the doctor (you wouldn't have a leg to stand
> on)! Brad Williams
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Need some tunes in the garage. |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
At least watching paint dry on a Piet is slightly more interesting than
watching paint dry on a wall.
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 4:12 AM, Dangerous Dave wrote:
>
> Waiting for paint to dry is right up there.dave
>
> do no archive
>
> --------
> Covering Piet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330729#330729
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel Spring Question |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
I just know they are a lot heavier than the plans tail-wheel or the J3
leaf-spring with a Matco like I have.
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Jack wrote:
> Still hoping for some assistance=85
>
> Anybody have knowledge on the Scott tail wheels?
>
> Thoughts on leaf springs, one, two or none?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jack
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jack
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:54 AM
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
>
>
> Further investigation revels it=92s a Scott 3-24B which now is a Scott 20
00.
> Additional files attached. These things are expensive!
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jack
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:08 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Spring Question
>
>
> Morning all,
>
> I am debating whether to use a leaf spring or the welded up assembly for
my
> tail wheel. The attached pictures show a leaf spring (2). They are =BC
=94 x
> about 14=94, quite stiff. It=92s hard to deflect just one of the springs
.
> Was wondering if I could get by with just one leaf to save some weight,
> understanding I would be screwed if it broke.
>
> Question number 2. That is a Scott tail wheel model 3-24R. I know zip
> about these except I had one on my 140. It appears when one or both of
> the side arms is pulled forward it locks the wheel so as to turn the whee
l
> with the deflection of the arm. The arms don=92t =93spring back=94 to th
e rear
> unlocking the wheel. Should they?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
> <<...>> <<...>>
>
> *
>
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> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Help please: MA-3SPA Carb |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
I thought I got a great deal on a used non-10-4894 MA3-SPA a few years ago
and after talking to WW about it he recommended I sell it and get a 10-4894.
Turned out the one I bought was off an O-300. I would call Russ at D&G about
it *800-446-8160.*
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:52 PM, bubbleboy wrote:
> scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
>
> Hi all....I have also posted this on a Corvair forum. Thought someone here
> may know something too.
>
> I have had the offer of a MA-3SPA Carb. Part No. 10-4115 Serial No. AV21410
> FAA PA for my Corvair. This Carb has just been removed from a Cessna 150
> with an O-200. The owner has fitted a ROTEC throttle body carb to it.
>
> I know WW says to use the MA-3SPA 10-4894. I believe the 10-4894 is off the
> O-200? Does this mean this carb I have been offered will work the same? Can
> anyone educate me as to what the difference is?
>
> Maybe this one could be rebuilt as a 10-4894?
>
> Thank you one and all for any help as it is a good price and comes with the
> airbox/filter and cables I believe.
>
> Scotty
> Australia
>
> --------
> Scotty
>
> Tamworth, Australia
> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
> www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330721#330721
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Gardiner Mason's Piet |
Wow what a great day for me. I got to look over Gardiner ("airlion")'s Pie
t at his hangar in LaGrange=2C Georgia earlier this afternoon. Couple of w
eeks ago I bought a little pickup on eBay=2C out of Atlanta=2C and needed f
or someone to stash it till I could get over there to pick it up. I approa
ched Gardiner and he was yet another example of a Southern gentleman. He p
icked it up for me at the dealership and stored it at his house till I coul
d fly out today=2C Saturday=2C to get it and drive it back to San Antonio.
I'm writing this from Rm. 104 in the Super 8 motel in Mobile=2C Alabama...
continuing back on I-10 to San Antonio on Sunday through Lake Charles=2C L
A where I'll stop for lunch with friends.
I met Gardiner's lovely and sweet wife Susan at their house when I showed u
p to collect my little Ford Ranger and she was so very nice. Pulled out of
the driveway and about an hour and a half later I was in LaGrange at the h
angar=2C looking over Gardiner's airplane.
The main thing that struck me was how wide and "super sized" his cockpits a
re! He widened his cockpit to 26" and it makes a huge difference. Very ni
ce improvement! So many other details of construction that I could comment
on but I don't remember most of them. Memorable is the elevator trim that
he's got=2C with a lever in the cockpit back to a trim tab of about 4"x6"
on the port side elevator=2C operated via Bowden cable. Also memorable are
the hinged door on the passenger cockpit=2C the front cockpit cover that h
e made out of glued strips of thin wood=2C the retractable steps for rear c
ockpit entry=2C gap seals on tail surfaces=2C and experimental streamlining
on his wing strut brace cables and just about everything else. His airpla
ne is a flying testbed for many different ideas=2C and my understanding is
that vortex generators are next. His is not a "set it and forget it" airpl
ane =3Bo)
The man is understated=2C hospitable=2C soft-spoken=2C excited about flying
his Piet=2C generous=2C outgoing=2C and so typical of Pietenpolers in gene
ral. Thanks=2C Airlion=2C for your hospitality and generosity.
Oscar "OZ" Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio=2C TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel Spring Question |
Tail Wheel Spring QuestionA friend of mine with an Aeronca broke one of
the three
leaves on his and it cost him a prop so it seems to me
you would be just as screwed anyway.
Good thing it swerved left into the enbankment. The other
way would have put him and his passenger on a 100'
rollercoaster ride!
Clif
Was wondering if I could get by with just one leaf to save some
weight, understanding I would be screwed if it broke.
Jack
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| From: | "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | hangar life isn't so bad....... |
Gary, You are right, the weather here is NOT great.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5
Sent: 2/11/2011 8:52:54 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: hangar life isn't so bad.......
Looks like beautiful country! We have great weather, here, but those kinds of places
just dont exist.
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Help please: MA-3SPA Carb |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Thank you guys. I emailed Russ at D & G and he confirmed it can be converted so
I will buy it! One more
piece to the Corvair puzzle!
Thanks guys!
Scotty
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Thanks for reminding me of another good point Brad. I have read that the rudder
pedals can be moved as far as 3" forward without any issues. I will certainly
be checking that out for myself.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Progress |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Rick,
Looks great Rick!! It's always a great feeling of accomplishment to finally
get some major components assembled. There seems to be a number of guys th
at are making major progress lately. I predict larger numbers of Piets at B
rodhead in the coming years.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Sat, Feb 12, 2011 2:42 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Progress
I thought I would post an update photo of my progress. Here is a picture I
took this morning of my Pietenpol with its wheels on for the first time. Fi
nished up the axle welding yesterday. When I bolted on the brakes and put t
he wheels on everything fit perfect!. The cowling is finished from the fire
wall back. Now I really have no excuse to finish up my corvair engine.
By the way, I used Buchanan spokes, but did not have them laced up by Bucha
nans. My next door neighbor restores motorcycles and he and I did it oursel
ves. It was any easy process and fun to do.
As soon as the weather breaks this spring, I'll be moving the Piet out to t
he hanger and putting on the wings.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso IN
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Progress II |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
On 1/22/2011 I enlisted friends and loved ones to help me hang the 1 piece wing
for the first time. I will be so proud to hang it with covering and paint on it.
If I had it to do again I would build the 3 piece. Covering will be a challenge
by myself.
It looks like there will be several Piets finished in a year or so. I hope to
fly in 2011.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Tail Wheel Weight FYI |
Weighed my Scott tail wheel at 4.9 pounds. The Matco is 4.75 pounds per
their site. Both 6" solid rubber. My leaf springs cam in at 2.5 pounds.
Jack
DSM
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Tail Wheel Weight FYI |
Try the AS&S Homebuilt Special tailwheel. I think it weighs around 3 lbs
(4" diameter). And the Pietenpol A-Arm Coil Spring configuration is about a
pound or two lighter than a leaf spring. I cut 2 lbs off my tailwheel
weight by using that design with the 4" tailwheel instead of a 6".
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Weight FYI
Weighed my Scott tail wheel at 4.9 pounds. The Matco is 4.75 pounds per
their site. Both 6" solid rubber. My leaf springs cam in at 2.5 pounds.
Jack
DSM
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Tail Wheel Weight FYI |
Try the AS&S Homebuilt Special tailwheel. I think it weighs around 3 lbs
(4" diameter). And the Pietenpol A-Arm Coil Spring configuration is about a
pound or two lighter than a leaf spring. I cut 2 lbs off my tailwheel
weight by using that design with the 4" tailwheel instead of a 6".
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Weight FYI
Weighed my Scott tail wheel at 4.9 pounds. The Matco is 4.75 pounds per
their site. Both 6" solid rubber. My leaf springs cam in at 2.5 pounds.
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Hey Mark...
You really should have gotten yourself in mine. It's all in the technique. I'm
6'3" long. I built it to the plans and I fit great. However, I've flown Allen
Rudolph's old Piet and had a little trouble. It has the shorter fuselage
and my shins got a little marked up. As long as you are building the long fuselage
you'll be fine. As far as interference with the rudder, hmm...I think that
radiator up front on the Ford ships would be a problem long before a taller
head would be. Never heard of a problem there, so... I sure wouldn't be worried
about it. If you have any doubts you just need to meet Big Jim Vandervort!
He would make you feel at ease!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | SENTUCHOWS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: hangar life isn't so bad....... |
Hey Skip, We met at Hendersonville a couple summers ago. I'm Bob's hangar
mate. How's the Piet coming along?
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Progress II |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Very nice!
My only complaint about building the 1 piece wing was that, during covering, I
always had to find someone to help me flip it over, and there's not always someone
handy. It's a big piece of plane.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Richard's Piet on wire wheels for first time in his shop |
in Indiana
Outstanding to see you're great winter progress and the photo update of your Pietenpol
Rick ! Your wire wheels look great, your
landing gear legs nice and streamlined and nose fuel tank all strapped down in
place. Center section done and tailfeathers.
Sure looks inspiring to those of us who are flying, those who are still building,
and even to those who have JUST started building.
You've stuck in out year after year and keep plugging away and the fruits of your
labor are really, really starting to show nicely.
One you move your project to the hangar this spring expect lots and lots of curious
visitors and be ready to answer a myriad of
questions--but you'll enjoy it. Just tell them before you will answer any question
they must bring a donation to help keep your
hangar fridge stocked with refreshments:)
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Don... thanks for the reassurance. Sometimes I get caught up in all the controversy.
I looked back and found that I've already been given answers to some of
these questions, that's why I chose to make the few minor adjustments that I
did (leaning the seat back a bit, raising the wing 2", planning to move the rudder
bar forward a little and cut those shin holes out a bit). Nothing drastic,
but sometimes I forget how I arrived at those decisions... all of it was recommended
by those of you that have DONE IT! I need to quit getting worried
about the things I've already been offered a solution to. And you are right...
that Ford radiator is much taller than I am.
Kevin... thanks for the offer buddy. With friends like you, well... no, you can't
have it.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> and heres the proof!
>
>
That is definitely Photoshopped. [Laughing]
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Howdy.getting closer-paint next weekend,dave
--------
Covering Piet
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| Subject: | Re: B&B turnbuckles |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
B & B Aircraft Supplies. PO Box 37, Gardner, Kansas 66030, Phone (913)
884-5930. I bought all my turnbuckles for $7.50 each.-----turnbuckles
This I copied a few days back...saved for hard times!
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Gross weight of pietenpol |
| From: | "pilotjkl" <pilot(at)fehrsmetalbuilding.com> |
Wondering what is the Pietenpol gross weight? I read about 1050 1150 1180 and 1200
lbs
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | New little Pietenpoler |
| From: | "JohnC" <jcalvert(at)trinityvideo.net> |
Hey Everyone,
I just became a Grandpa a few hours ago, so it looks like I will be driving "Granny"
out to Missouri this evening. We will be in Mount Vernon for about a week,
and if there are any Pietenpols around those parts, maybe I could sneek off
for a few hours. I will attempt to add a photo, hope it works.
--------
I just hope when it's my turn to reach up and touch the face of God, I don't poke
him in the eye on accident.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Gross weight of pietenpol |
It's Experimental, and you are the manufacturer. The Gross Weight on the
dataplate is whatever you say it is.
I think the original was 1090 or something like that. If you go much above
that it wouldn't hurt to have an engineer look at what you've built.
Impossible to say without seeing what changes have been made to the design.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotjkl
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gross weight of pietenpol
Wondering what is the Pietenpol gross weight? I read about 1050 1150 1180
and 1200 lbs
Thanks
John
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Ha! Yeah...just copy and paste!
Ribs all sanded...now to cut to length. I liked Jack's cutoff jig.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ribs
gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> and heres the proof!
>
>
That is definitely Photoshopped. [Laughing]
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Gross weight of pietenpol |
| From: | "pilotjkl" <pilot(at)fehrsmetalbuilding.com> |
Thanks for the reply, I thought it was established by the designer through stress
testing
John
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Progress II |
Jerry, It is good to see your progress. I plan to make Evergreen and
Thomasville this summer and hope to see your there. Will you be going to
Brodhead? You Should. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Sent: Sun, February 13, 2011 8:48:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Progress II
On 1/22/2011 I enlisted friends and loved ones to help me hang the 1 piece wing
for the first time. I will be so proud to hang it with covering and paint on it.
If I had it to do again I would build the 3 piece. Covering will be a challenge
by myself.
It looks like there will be several Piets finished in a year or so. I hope to
fly in 2011.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Progress |
Fantastic! I am always surprised at how often about the time I get to a certain
point in my build, someone else is at the same place in their build! Just today,
(Sunday) I tied to axle on the legs, slid the wheels on and set the fuse down
on all three just to see how it looked. I still need to do all the axle welding,
brake install, etc.
Your plane looks great, keep us posted on your next milestone.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Sat, 2/12/11, Richard Schreiber wrote:
> From: Richard Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Progress
> To: "pietenpol-list"
> Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 3:39 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I thought I would post an update photo of my progress.
> Here is a picture I took this morning of my Pietenpol with
> its wheels on for the first time. Finished up the axle
> welding yesterday. When I bolted on the brakes and put the
> wheels on everything fit perfect!. The cowling is finished
> from the firewall back. Now I really have no excuse to
> finish up my corvair engine.
>
> By the way, I used Buchanan spokes, but did not have
> them laced up by Buchanans. My next door neighbor restores
> motorcycles and he and I did it ourselves. It was any easy
> process and fun to do.
>
> As soon as the weather breaks this spring, I'll be
> moving the Piet out to the hanger and putting on the
> wings.
>
>
> Rick Schreiber
> Valparaiso IN
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Progress II |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Jerry its looks great!How about building a stand for holding and turning it make
everything better.I used mine for the wings and.fuselage.Keep up the good work_.dave.
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Covering Piet
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| From: | "Mike Tunnicliffe" <zk-owl(at)CLEAR.NET.NZ> |
| Subject: | Re: leading edge plywood |
I use used plastic strapping from parcels, the heavier stuff can be pulled
up and it lifts the staples out with it. The glue doesn't stick to it
either.
Mike T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "DOMIT" <rx7_ragtop(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
>
> Just a thought on staples... Since epoxy won't stick to duct tape (the
> outside of it) how about folding a strip of duct tape (sticky side
> together) and stapling through it? When the glue is cured it would make
> pulling the staples easier...
>
> --------
> Brad "DOMIT" Smith
>
> First rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going
> fast.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Progress II |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Gardiner I will be at Evergreen and hope to make Thomasville. I may have to drive
because I don't know when my Piet is going to be ready and Phase 1 flown off.
Thanks Dave for the atta boy. The weather is turning my way now I will make more
progress.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
Yep, grandpa "big Jim Vandervort is 6' 6" and he flew all the time, no wing flap
either, I'll check the plans and measure the cabanes tomorrow to see if they
are any longer then the plans
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 13, 2011, at 11:22 AM, "Don Emch" wrote:
>
> Hey Mark...
> You really should have gotten yourself in mine. It's all in the technique.
I'm 6'3" long. I built it to the plans and I fit great. However, I've flown
Allen Rudolph's old Piet and had a little trouble. It has the shorter fuselage
and my shins got a little marked up. As long as you are building the long fuselage
you'll be fine. As far as interference with the rudder, hmm...I think
that radiator up front on the Ford ships would be a problem long before a taller
head would be. Never heard of a problem there, so... I sure wouldn't be worried
about it. If you have any doubts you just need to meet Big Jim Vandervort!
He would make you feel at ease!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330888#330888
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Richard's Piet on wire wheels for first time in his |
shop in Indiana
Thanks Mike, Greg, Kevin, Vic, Dan and any one else I may have missed !!
All of you have been an on going help and inspiration for this project. I
started by building the ribs first in May of 2003. I tried to work as often
as I could, but work and travel made it a difficult task at times. As I
continued on the path, going to Brodhead every year and seeing other
builders progress on the web was a constant spirit lifter. I always had
goals that I was trying to get done, like.....finish the ribs, do the
wings, make the gear legs. It always seemed so far in the future, but if
you just have faith and plug away, it finally gets done.
As I have mentioned in the past, I am fortunate in that there is a core
group at my home airport (VPZ - Porter Co. Indiana) that are very
supportive. There are AP's, IA's, aircraft builders, rebuilders, Pietenpol
builders, gear heads, motorcycle nuts and general all around good people.
Most of them are keeping track of my progress. Since I am now semi-retired
I am out at the airport most days using machinery to get parts made or
welding done.
Rick Schreiber
> [Original Message]
> From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: 2/13/2011 1:10:07 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Richard's Piet on wire wheels for first time in
his shop in Indiana
>
AEROSPACE CORP]"
>
>
> Outstanding to see you're great winter progress and the photo update of
your Pietenpol Rick ! Your wire wheels look great, your
> landing gear legs nice and streamlined and nose fuel tank all strapped
down in place. Center section done and tailfeathers.
>
> Sure looks inspiring to those of us who are flying, those who are still
building, and even to those who have JUST started building.
> You've stuck in out year after year and keep plugging away and the fruits
of your labor are really, really starting to show nicely.
>
> One you move your project to the hangar this spring expect lots and lots
of curious visitors and be ready to answer a myriad of
> questions--but you'll enjoy it. Just tell them before you will answer
any question they must bring a donation to help keep your
> hangar fridge stocked with refreshments:)
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> -----
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Jack:
You are right that drawing hte plane in sketch Up took some time that I
would have rather been building, but I have not been empoloyed for a year
and 3 months until recently... Thus I had plenty of time to dream and draw
the changes and modifications it will take to fit my big body into the
plane...
However, I'd MUCH rather make sawdust!
Mark
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Charles Waldo wrote:
> Jack
>
> I'm hoping that the little time I have spent on this converts to lots of
> GOOD saw dust and very little BAD saw dust...lol
>
> Sketchup is a free 3D cad program from Google......
>
> Chuck
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
>> pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Where do you guys find this scatsup, or sketchup or whatever you call it?
>> Seems that you are spending an inordinate amount of time on it that could
>> be
>> spent making sawdust. Of course, it may be critical to determining your
>> paint scheme.
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gtche98
>> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 8:43 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>>
>>
>> Good job on the models guys. In the process of trying to teach myself how
>> to use sketch-up (I have zero CAD experience), I tried to draw just a
>> single
>> rib. Two hours later, I gave up with little more than the airfoil profile
>> to show for it.
>>
>> I wish that you could buy a sketch-up model of the plane with the plans.
>> it
>> would be nice to be able to spin a model around in 3 dimensions to figure
>> out how some things go together. Maybe one of you that are more talented
>> than I should offer to sell the rights to one of your models. :)
>>
>> --------
>> Gary Wilson
>> Greenville Wisconsin
>> gtche98 (at) gmail ((dot)) com
>> Planning Phase
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Gary!
Thanks for the moral support! If you make it down to Fresno any time soon,
I'd love to show you the new Airplane Factory we are moving into... The Barn
is perfect for making airplanes! Plus, I think it's time for me to buy YOUR
dinner :o)
I am SO looking forward to starting the process... Can't wait to get settled
into the new digs, and start making sawdust...
Gimme a call if you get down this way: 559-917-5904
Mark
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 5:26 AM, Gboothe5 wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Flamed, Yes. Banned, I don't think so...
>
> Most of what you propose has already been done, to some extent. 4' center
> sections, enlarged tail surfaces, deeper fuselage, taller panel and
> turtledeck, tipped back pilot seat, etc. The only new idea I see is the
> plastic drag 'wires'...interesting idea! I say, "Experiment away...!" And
> let He Who Says He Built To Plans speak up, 'cause I have yet to see anyone
> with a ternplate fuel tank...
>
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
> Roberts
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:10 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
>
> Well, Chuck, you are really trying to get me Flamed, banned and thrown off
> this list! :o)
>
> Glad to share what I have done so far. I know many that would say what I am
> doing is perverting a great design, and thus far I have kept my design
> elements quiet so as not to disrupt the flow of ideas here, but perhaps
> there are other 'larger than should be' folks like me out there, and so I
> will share, for better or for worse, my intended design modifications.
>
> I am not an aeronautical engineer (neither was our beloved designer of the
> original), but a long time modeler and designer and I am making the wing
> mod's based on structural info I have found that seem to verify that the
> wing spars are of more than sufficient strength at 1"
> thick, and an additional 1" taller than originally called out --5.75"
> in the fore spar, 5 5/8" in the rear--(Bernie's later designs were using
> 3/4" thick spars, not the 1" thick he originally drew in the plans). The
> wing bays are an added 2' on each side, requiring the modifications of the
> tail surfaces to meet the design requirements of stability with the extra
> wing. I might add a bit more to the fin/rudder area to insure the stability
> and avoid a potential spin problem mentioned earlier in this posting
> series.
> To accommodate the added wing bays, I moved the spar attachments out one
> bay, lengthening the wing struts a bit. I will be putting Jury struts on
> the
> struts as recommended, and required by this additional length.
>
> These mods are not all completed in my sketch up drawing, but some can be
> seen in the design attached. I played around with a concept you'll see on
> these drawings that I found in a build of another plans built LSA design:
> the AMF 14H Miranda. The designed used fiber reinforced strapping material
> for the drag/anti-drag wires verses cable and turnbuckles. He saved a TON
> of
> weight, and an equal amount of money as those turnbuckles cost more than
> the
> birth of my children... You can see this on the website
> www.mywoodenairplane.com which is an online build log. The guy has a bunch
> left over and would most likely sell a bunch of it cheap. He's a nice guy
> too... This tape/ribbon is the stuff you see and get wrapped around any
> large box that's been shipped. It's the stuff that has a heat sealed
> connection with the other end of the tape where they meet. (It's not the
> stuff on a roll that is sticky and you buy it at Office Max... this is the
> stuff you can't break for your life.). Many of us have opened this stuff by
> turning it over at the joint where the 2 ends meet and peeling one end away
> from the other end and it releases the bond... Great stuff for the
> drag/anti-drag system, and just as strong as the steel and turnbuckles they
> replace. Anyway, that's what you see below drawn into the wing. It is just
> one side of it. I need to draw in the other side of the system, but now I
> can actually start building, so I will most likely wait till I get closer
> to
> that assembly.
>
> Anyway, this is why it is called 'experimental' right ;o) I won't be
> the first guy to try something, but if it looks to be done somewhere else,
> I
> will consider it if it seemed to work out ok for the other guy
> :o)
>
> Here's the pics of the drawing so far.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Charles Waldo
> wrote:
> > Mark
> >
> > Could you post a Jpg of your piet model in sketchup? Just wanted to
> > see what your model looks like and how far along you are on it.....
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Mark Roberts
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> -->
> >>
> >> Well, at the risk of getting flamed, or worse yet, branded as a Piet
> >> Heretic, I am building my virtual Piet in Google Sketch Up because of
> >> some of the design elements I am changing to meet my particular needs.
> >>
> >> At 6'4" and almost as big around, I am needing the extra width to the
> >> fuse (28" wide at the back seat) and I am lengthening the nose a bit
> >> (Per Bernard's suggestion due to a lighter motor), AND I am using the
> >> GA-30-613.5 airfoil. One last thing is the extra bay's I am adding
> >> to the wing tips and deepening the spars (keeping them at 1" thick,
> >> carefully routed for lightness) and moving the strut connection
> >> points out one bay to support the extra bays, and I felt I needed to
> >> insure the changes all fit when I hit the shop.
> >>
> >> I know that sounds like lots of changes, but the design elements all
> >> take the same Piet form, and I am building an airplane that will be
> >> mine until I decide I don't want it anymore, or can't fly, so I felt
> >> I'd build it to fit ME, not Bernard :o)
> >>
> >> I drew the metal parts (not fully completed) to fit the changes, and
> >> that included adding the 1/2" to the strut attachments all around to
> >> make the connections easier. I had read comments here about that
> >> already.
> >>
> >> Again, heresy I know, but it's gonna be mine when I'm done :o)
> >>
> >> Sketchup allowed me to measure the proper distances, and to correct
> >> the tail sections to be the proper area to match the wing changes,
> >> etc. I know, one change creates a hundred others, but it's kept my
> >> head into the dream for a year and a half when I couldn't buy spit.
> >> So, it was accomplishing something for me and now I can begin the
> >> build proper...
> >>
> >> Thanks for all the feedback on the table. My first thing I'll be
> >> doing (after taking a trip to the Groah's with my camera) is to build
> >> the table. Once that is over I will feel as though I am really gonna
> >> build me a plane!
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:46 AM, V Groah wrote:
> >> > Correct good idea. Vic
> >> >
> >> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench
> >> >> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
> >> >> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 09:25:18 -0800
> >> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> > Oh, one other really cool thing: I am drawing the metal parts up
> >> >> > in Sketch Up and cleaning them in my CAD program so I can
> >> >> > deliver them to an old acquaintance I have recently renewed a
> >> >> > relationship with. He owns a steel fabrication company, and has
> >> >> > a laser cutting machine for his fabrication plant. He said "How
> >> >> > thick are the parts? NO problem!
> >> >> > Bring me the pans and I'll cut all those parts for you to
> >> >> > perfection!"
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> One word of advice, be sure to make the lift strut attach
> >> >> fittings, cabane strut fittings and anything else that might be a
> >> >> clearance issue about 1/2"
> >> >> longer (perhaps others can chime in). I know that some fittings
> >> >> made to the plans can create minor clearance issues.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> > Any suggestions on programs to use for the build log online?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> www.mykitlog.com is powered by the same fella that provide this
> >> >> forum for us. I think the program is $50, but it allows you to
> >> >> track build time, photos and details, expense items, vendors, etc.
> >> >> You can post an online version to the web and the print version is
> >> >> formatted very nicely and will make a nice hardcopy of the log
> >> >> book. Pretty slick tool. If you want to see an example, check out
> >> >> my kitlog link in my signature below.
> >> >>
> >> >> --------
> >> >> Mark Chouinard
> >> >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on
> >> >> Fuselage
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Read this topic online here:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330465#330465
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > >======================
> >> > &g===================
> >> >>
> >> >&=====
> >> -Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
> >> ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
> >> target="_blank">ht======
> >> http://forums.mle, List Admin.
> >> ====
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>
>
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| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
I know this has been covered from time to time in the past, but with many new members
lately I think it's time to bring this up again as a friendly reminder.
Some of you are posting photos that are so large that I have to scroll side
to side and up and down just to see one photo, making it hard sometimes to even
see what I'm looking at. We all love to see the photos of the progress, or
of certain construction details to answer specific questions, but PLEASE resize
your photos down to a more reasonable size like 800x600 pixels.
It really makes it much more pleasurable to look at a whole image at one time
rather than looking at a fraction of an exceptionally large image trying to figure
out what you're looking at. It also makes the text from the replies much
easier to read without having to scroll side to side numerous times. And by
downsizing your photos, it will make them upload faster and save bandwidth on
the Matronics list.
Thanks!
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330990#330990
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| Subject: | Re: B&B turnbuckles |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
I met Carson Vella from Brisbane today. He called in to have a look at where I
am up to and share the photos of his Piet progress. He mentioned about these turnbuckles
to me. Im still in the very early stages of building but when a bargain
comes along I try and collect as many parts as I can. I havent looked at
the turnbuckles on the plans to know what size and how many I will need. Apparently
B & B doesn't have an email address and will not send overseas which is
a bummer for me!
Would anyone who hasn't ordered theirs and is going to, be prepared to order me
a set and post them too me here in Australia? Of course I will reimburse full
costs of the turnbuckles with postage and will shout you a beer too!
Cheers Scotty
Australia
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330996#330996
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: B&B turnbuckles |
Scott,
I could assist if you want. First I would suggest searching eBay for
awhile, I purchased more than I needed for under $100. B&B are great folks.
I know I receive anything ordered before they get my check. From experience
their inventory can be limited so they may not have everything you need. If
you want me to help send me a detailed listing of what you want off list.
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 1:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: B&B turnbuckles
I met Carson Vella from Brisbane today. He called in to have a look at where
I am up to and share the photos of his Piet progress. He mentioned about
these turnbuckles to me. Im still in the very early stages of building but
when a bargain comes along I try and collect as many parts as I can. I
havent looked at the turnbuckles on the plans to know what size and how many
I will need. Apparently B & B doesn't have an email address and will not
send overseas which is a bummer for me!
Would anyone who hasn't ordered theirs and is going to, be prepared to order
me a set and post them too me here in Australia? Of course I will reimburse
full costs of the turnbuckles with postage and will shout you a beer too!
Cheers Scotty
Australia
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330996#330996
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel Weight FYI |
Tail Wheel Weight FYI
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Weight FYI
Try the AS&S Homebuilt Special tailwheel. I think it weighs around 3
lbs (4" diameter). And the Pietenpol A-Arm Coil Spring configuration is
about a pound or two lighter than a leaf spring. I cut 2 lbs off my
tailwheel weight by using that design with the 4" tailwheel instead of a
6".
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:04 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Weight FYI
Weighed my Scott tail wheel at 4.9 pounds. The Matco is 4.75 pounds
per their site. Both 6" solid rubber. My leaf springs cam in at 2.5
pounds.
Jack
DSM
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel Weight FYI |
Tail Wheel Weight FYIRe: AS&S Homebuilt Special tailwheel. Jack, I am
very interested in the tail wheel you mentioned. I can't find it in the
AS&S listing for tailwheels. How do I find it? Chuck in Winston-Salem.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Weight FYI
Try the AS&S Homebuilt Special tailwheel. I think it weighs around 3
lbs (4" diameter). And the Pietenpol A-Arm Coil Spring configuration is
about a pound or two lighter than a leaf spring. I cut 2 lbs off my
tailwheel weight by using that design with the 4" tailwheel instead of a
6".
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:04 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Weight FYI
Weighed my Scott tail wheel at 4.9 pounds. The Matco is 4.75 pounds
per their site. Both 6" solid rubber. My leaf springs cam in at 2.5
pounds.
Jack
DSM
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New little Pietenpoler |
Nothing like 'em. I have eleven grandkids and they're all great. (I also
have six great-grandkids.) That's difficult to describe. I'll change the
first 'great' to 'super' to clear up the difference.
----- Original Message -----
From: "JohnC" <jcalvert(at)trinityvideo.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New little Pietenpoler
>
> Hey Everyone,
>
> I just became a Grandpa a few hours ago, so it looks like I will be
> driving "Granny" out to Missouri this evening. We will be in Mount Vernon
> for about a week, and if there are any Pietenpols around those parts,
> maybe I could sneek off for a few hours. I will attempt to add a photo,
> hope it works.
>
> --------
> I just hope when it's my turn to reach up and touch the face of God, I
> don't poke him in the eye on accident.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330932#330932
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/grandson_693.jpg
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Tail Wheel Weight FYI |
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/homebuilder_tailwheel.php
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Weight FYI
Re: AS&S Homebuilt Special tailwheel. Jack, I am very interested in the
tail wheel you mentioned. I can't find it in the AS&S listing for
tailwheels. How do I find it? Chuck in Winston-Salem.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack <mailto:pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Phillips
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Weight FYI
Try the AS&S Homebuilt Special tailwheel. I think it weighs around 3 lbs
(4" diameter). And the Pietenpol A-Arm Coil Spring configuration is about a
pound or two lighter than a leaf spring. I cut 2 lbs off my tailwheel
weight by using that design with the 4" tailwheel instead of a 6".
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Weight FYI
Weighed my Scott tail wheel at 4.9 pounds. The Matco is 4.75 pounds per
their site. Both 6" solid rubber. My leaf springs cam in at 2.5 pounds.
Jack
DSM
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| Subject: | Re: B&B turnbuckles |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
i just got this email from them last week
Hi, Jeff. The only thing we have are the barrels and the left handed fork ends.
At the present time, the fork ends are $2.50 each and the barrels are $5.00
each (they are short barrels). If you would like to order some, please let us
know. Thanks for your interest!
Sincerely,
B&B Aircraft Supplies, Inc.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331030#331030
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| Subject: | Making airplane sounds... |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
My Pietenpol is starting to bear the striking resemblance to an airplane! Looks
can be deceiving, however, as it is not really as far along as it may seem...
Over the past month or so, the welding was begun on the cabaine strut fittings,
landing gear fittings, and engine attach fittings. These are not full "cluster
welded" yet, but the components are solidly tacked in place so I can continue
on without jigs to hold them in place. As the images show, I have also mocked
up the center section with a wooden assembly I bought last year. My actual "flight
article" center section will have to be made two inches wider than this
one (because my fuselage is two inches wider than plans) but I am now able to
get a good feel for the cockpit access and pilot position roominess. (read, making
airplane noisesha!)
I modified the temporary legs (upside down sawhorses...!) to approximate the width
of the landing gear. It will be some time until I am able to fabricate the
entire landing gear structure, hardware, springs, etc, so this setup allows me
to scoot the project out of the way to the adjacent garage like a wheelbarrow
while I work on the parts in my shop.
I also recently built a new drill-press jig to burnish the stainless steel firewall.
Folks will not be able to see this burnishing because of the engine "boot"
cowls, but it should look very elegant when the cowls are removed and adding
details like these encourages me to slow down and be more careful with my workmanship.
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331050#331050
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail Wheel Weight FYI |
Tail Wheel Weight FYIThanks, Jack, but for $130 I believe I can stand an
extra 2 pounds back there. If I have to, I'll move the wing back a
fraction.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Weight FYI
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/homebuilder_tailwheel.php
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 6:27 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Weight FYI
Re: AS&S Homebuilt Special tailwheel. Jack, I am very interested in
the tail wheel you mentioned. I can't find it in the AS&S listing for
tailwheels. How do I find it? Chuck in Winston-Salem.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Weight FYI
Try the AS&S Homebuilt Special tailwheel. I think it weighs around
3 lbs (4" diameter). And the Pietenpol A-Arm Coil Spring configuration
is about a pound or two lighter than a leaf spring. I cut 2 lbs off my
tailwheel weight by using that design with the 4" tailwheel instead of a
6".
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:04 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Wheel Weight FYI
Weighed my Scott tail wheel at 4.9 pounds. The Matco is 4.75 pounds
per their site. Both 6" solid rubber. My leaf springs cam in at 2.5
pounds.
Jack
DSM
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Making airplane sounds... |
Gosh, that instrument panel looks awfully close. I'll have to read my
instruments through my bifocals. Pretty work, though.
----- Original Message -----
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 3:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Making airplane sounds...
>
>
> My Pietenpol is starting to bear the striking resemblance to an
> airplane?! Looks can be deceiving, however, as it is not really as far
> along as it may seem...
>
> Over the past month or so, the welding was begun on the cabaine strut
> fittings, landing gear fittings, and engine attach fittings. These are not
> full "cluster welded" yet, but the components are solidly tacked in place
> so I can continue on without jigs to hold them in place. As the images
> show, I have also mocked up the center section with a wooden assembly I
> bought last year. My actual "flight article" center section will have to
> be made two inches wider than this one (because my fuselage is two inches
> wider than plans) but I am now able to get a good feel for the cockpit
> access and pilot position roominess. (read, making airplane noises?ha!)
>
> I modified the temporary legs (upside down sawhorses...!) to approximate
> the width of the landing gear. It will be some time until I am able to
> fabricate the entire landing gear structure, hardware, springs, etc?, so
> this setup allows me to scoot the project out of the way to the adjacent
> garage like a wheelbarrow while I work on the parts in my shop.
>
> I also recently built a new drill-press jig to burnish the stainless steel
> firewall. Folks will not be able to see this burnishing because of the
> engine "boot" cowls, but it should look very elegant when the cowls are
> removed and adding details like these encourages me to slow down and be
> more careful with my workmanship.
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331050#331050
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/airplane_noises_180.jpg
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Making airplane sounds... |
Looks very nice, Jake.
Sometimes the little details that no one ever gets to see are the best
ones. Very few people have seen the brake fluid reservoir I made for
mine, but it is a tribute to one of the things that got me interested in
flying when I was a kid.
You can see it just to the right of the Ah-Oooooga horn, near the top of
the firewall.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
aerocarjake
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 3:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Making airplane sounds...
My Pietenpol is starting to bear the striking resemblance to an
airplane=C3=A2=82=AC=C2! Looks can be deceiving, however, as it
is not really as far along as it may seem...
Over the past month or so, the welding was begun on the cabaine strut
fittings, landing gear fittings, and engine attach fittings. These are
not full "cluster welded" yet, but the components are solidly tacked in
place so I can continue on without jigs to hold them in place. As the
images show, I have also mocked up the center section with a wooden
assembly I bought last year. My actual "flight article" center section
will have to be made two inches wider than this one (because my fuselage
is two inches wider than plans) but I am now able to get a good feel for
the cockpit access and pilot position roominess. (read, making airplane
noises=C3=A2=82=AC=C2ha!)
I modified the temporary legs (upside down sawhorses...!) to approximate
the width of the landing gear. It will be some time until I am able to
fabricate the entire landing gear structure, hardware, springs,
etc=C3=A2=82=AC=C2, so this setup allows me to scoot the project
out of the way to the adjacent garage like a wheelbarrow while I work on
the parts in my shop.
I also recently built a new drill-press jig to burnish the stainless
steel firewall. Folks will not be able to see this burnishing because of
the engine "boot" cowls, but it should look very elegant when the cowls
are removed and adding details like these encourages me to slow down and
be more careful with my workmanship.
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | I have a 4" diameter ACS 'Homebuilder's Special' tailwheel |
and two leaf springs
And weight was not an issue, nor weight and balance. My wing is pivoted
aft 6" of the cabanes being vertical to make my short fuselage
Piet CG fall into perfectly acceptable ranges with a 200 lb. pilot. (see
Bingelis books for computing W&B)
The plans-built A-frame setup I'm sure is lighter than my setup with the ex
act same tailwheel but either will work.
Go to Chris Tracy's photo page to see sketches of how I attached my springs
and the Bingelis books talk about leaf springs and tailwheels---that's
all I used to come up with my setup-right on my coffee table was all the in
fo I needed. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Pi
et/mike_cuy_3.htm
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | I have a 4" diameter ACS 'Homebuilder's Special' |
tailwheel and two leaf springs
make that 'my wings are slanted back 4" aft of neutral, not 6".
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Making airplane sounds... |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Jack,
I LOVE IT.... I had a Thimble-Drome gas car when I was little. I parted with it
for a tidy sum on eBay about 12 years ago to pay my mortgage while I was laid
off. No regrets, it's all just stuff we own while we're visiting this planet.
Now I get to own a Pietenpol for a while... :-)
Thanks for sharing...!
Jake
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
I posted a separate topic (making airplane sounds) and from the photo you can get
some idea of how well I fit. Mine is the Flying and Glider manual dimensions
(steel tube but short fuselage) and I leaned the seat back to the bar 3 inches
aft of the top of the pilot seat. I also made my fuselage 2 inches wider
and that made a BIG differencei in shin clearance...... I am 6 foot 1 inch in
the photo.
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
| From: | Kimball Isaac <kim.integrity(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Mathew
Did you get the cabanes measured
Kim
On 2011-02-13 8:06 PM, "Matthew VanDervort"
wrote:
matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com>
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> Yep, grandpa "big Jim Vandervort is 6' 6" and he flew all the time, no
wing flap either, I'll check the plans and measure the cabanes tomorrow to
see if they are any longer then the plans
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 13, 2011, at 11:22 AM, "Don Emch" wrote:
>
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>> Hey Mark...
>> You really should have gotten yourself in mine. It's all in the
technique. I'm 6'3" long. I built it to the plans and I fit great. However,
I've flown Allen Rudolph's old Piet and had a little trouble. It has the
shorter fuselage and my shins got a little marked up. As long as you are
building the long fuselage you'll be fine. As far as interference with the
rudder, hmm...I think that radiator up front on the Ford ships would be a
problem long before a taller head would be. Never heard of a problem there,
so... I sure wouldn't be worried about it. If you have any doubts you just
need to meet Big Jim Vandervort! He would make you feel at ease!
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>> Don Emch
>> NX899DE
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| From: | "Steve Ruse" <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
| Subject: | Prince A-75 Propeller For Sale |
Reduced price to $650, well less than half what this cost new, and it is
nearly in new condition:
http://www.wotelectronics.com/propeller/
Made by Prince Aircraft
http://www.princeaircraft.com/
They have a file on this propeller and can answer questions if needed.
68 x 42 (diameter x pitch). Wood Q-tip propeller, custom made for
Continental A-75. Roughly 200hrs. Turns roughly 2,500 static RPM on my
A-75. Good condition, a couple of minor nicks that could be painted
(less than 1/4"). These props are wood, epoxy coated, with a small
amount of fiberglass used to create the curved tip.
Reduced price to $650 plus shipping. New these are more than double that
amount.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
| From: | "VanDy" <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
I just measured the length of the cabanes, and it came to 25.25, and from what
i hear, Bernard said that +6 inches is the maximum alllowed. And I also know
that grandpas Piet, had the wing 6" back, which helped his 275 lb CG but as an
added bonus kept the rain off the wing out of the cockpit!!
but your result may vary!
im trying to add a pic from the 1989 Pietenpol flyin at Brodhead!
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www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot Height |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
VanDy wrote:
> im trying to add a pic from the 1989 Pietenpol flyin at Brodhead!
Is that the one where they had em all lined up in a portrait? Earl Klebbs has
that photo hanging in his patio sitting room. Really neat photo if it's the one
I'm thinking of.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: B&B turnbuckles |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Hi Jack and Jeff...thank you both. What sizes are we looking for and are they aircraft
specific? im not in front of my plans right now to look them up. Jeff
are you able to give me their email?
Regards Scotty
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I am in need of about 9" of- 3/8" .065 wall 4130 rod. If anyone has a scr
ap piece that they wouldn't mind parting with, I would appreciate it. I'll
cover shipping. Perhaps a trade for something I may have that you need?
I would just buy my own, but I do not see a need to place any type order an
ytime soon and this piece will hold up progress some if I don't have it.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 3/8" 4130 Rod |
I think I have a piece that size. If so, it's yours.
I'll check later today when I'm out in the workshop unless someone else comes up
with it first.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: Feb 15, 2011 7:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3/8" 4130 Rod
I am in need of about 9" of 3/8" .065 wall 4130 rod. If anyone has a scrap piece
that they wouldn't mind parting with, I would appreciate it. I'll cover shipping.
Perhaps a trade for something I may have that you need?
I would just buy my own, but I do not see a need to place any type order anytime
soon and this piece will hold up progress some if I don't have it.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | For Matt Vandervort |
Matt, Dad still has a brand new "Pietenpol" style corvair cowling (for blow
er fan engine) that he bought up at Brodhead years ago, if you are in need,
he would probably sell it pretty reasonable.- I think he paid $200 for i
t, but he would take considerably less for it.- If interested let me know
, or anyone else in need of a blower fan cowl.
-
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ar/features/mail/
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| Subject: | Re: B&B turnbuckles |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
http://www.bbaircraftsupplies.com/
jbrull(at)bandbaircraftsupplies.com
jeff
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 3/8" 4130 Rod |
Do you mean rod or tubing? The .065 wall would indicate tubing. I'm
getting ready to order some hardware from AS & S and could order you a
foot. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3/8" 4130 Rod
I am in need of about 9" of 3/8" .065 wall 4130 rod. If anyone
has a scrap piece that they wouldn't mind parting with, I would
appreciate it. I'll cover shipping. Perhaps a trade for something I may
have that you need?
I would just buy my own, but I do not see a need to place any
type order anytime soon and this piece will hold up progress some if I
don't have it.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: B&B turnbuckles |
They finally got online, primitive but better than nothing. They are truly
great people!
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 10:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: B&B turnbuckles
http://www.bbaircraftsupplies.com/
jbrull(at)bandbaircraftsupplies.com
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Making airplane sounds... |
| From: | "DOMIT" <rx7_ragtop(at)yahoo.com> |
Those wicker seats are great... where did you find those?
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Brad "DOMIT" Smith
First rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going fast.
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| Subject: | Re: 3/8" 4130 Rod |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
I have the 3/8 4130 rod but not the tube. I would gladly send you some.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: B&B turnbuckles |
Scotty, sorry I don't have a list, I'm not that far along. I just purchased
various sizes on eBay as they became available at a good price. What you
need will really depend on your ship and where you want to utilize them. I
would guess there are no two alike in the fleet.
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 4:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: B&B turnbuckles
Hi Jack and Jeff...thank you both. What sizes are we looking for and are
they aircraft specific? im not in front of my plans right now to look them
up. Jeff are you able to give me their email?
Regards Scotty
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | hangar in Mulberry, Florida (off-topic) |
Howdy=3B still trying to help locate a Fairchild that is somewhere in a han
gar near Mulberry=2C Florida (close to Lakeland). The hangar is owned by a
Clarence Smith and I have more info on it. Anyone out there living near M
ulberry or familiar with Mr. Smith (he owns a Taylorcraft) please contact m
e off-list=3B thanks.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio=2C TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 3/8" 4130 Rod |
Thank you sir! Let me know what you find and I'll send you a mailing address.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Making airplane sounds... |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
I built them from scratch out of 4130 steel - and then had a local business weave
them... see this video of them "in work"....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhAE2lYCS8
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 3/8" 4130 Rod |
All I could find was some 5/8".....I do have one more stash I can dig through that
might help us out.....
I'll let you know.
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: Feb 15, 2011 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3/8" 4130 Rod
Thank you sir! Let me know what you find and I'll send you a mailing address.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 3/8" 4130 Rod |
Yes, tubing...hence the wall thickness as you pointed out. Don't worry about buying
any for me, but thanks for the offer!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 3/8" 4130 Rod |
Thanks Jim. If not, I'll have to move on to plan "B" until I need to place an order
for other items.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Rotax powered Pietenpol in UK |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Just saw on the UK Pietenpol Club's website that a Pietenpol has been successfully
fitted with a 100 HP Rotax engine. The plane, G-BYFT was originally powered
by a Subaru engine, but the owner wasn't satisfied with the performance. According
to the article describing the conversion, he considered switching to a
C-90 or O-200, but the cost was prohibitive. Apparently the cost of a new Rotax
912S in the UK is comparable to the cost of a rebuilt O-200, and considerably
cheaper than a new O-200. Different story on this side of the pond, I think,
since a new Rotax runs about $20,000, which could probably buy you a couple of
low time O-200s, or almost buy a brand new O-200 Lightweight (List price $21,500).
Personally, I'm not crazy about the sound of high revving engines on Pietenpols,
but thought this might be of interest to some. Here's the link to the UK Pietenpol
Club website. The article can be found there.
http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/#
Bill C.
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| From: | "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: For Matt Vandervort |
What is the length of the cowl? I am interested.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: For Matt Vandervort
Matt, Dad still has a brand new "Pietenpol" style corvair
cowling (for blower fan engine) that he bought up at Brodhead years ago,
if you are in need, he would probably sell it pretty reasonable. I
think he paid $200 for it, but he would take considerably less for it.
If interested let me know, or anyone else in need of a blower fan cowl.
Shad
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Have a HUGE year through
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: For Matt Vandervort |
I will have to call dad and have him measure it, I will see if he can send
me a picture so I can post it.- We plan on being at Brodhead this year so
if you're there we can bring it up, it would save a bunch of shipping.
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: B&B turnbuckles |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Cool! They have a website which now says they will post international so im set!
Thanks for offering to help me out with postage to Australia Jack!
Scotty
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
I'll ck the shop
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: For Matt Vandervort |
| From: | Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the offer shad, mine is in really good shape, just needs a small
patch where the crank case breather hose rubbed a small hole
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 15, 2011, at 10:49 PM, shad bell wrote:
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> I will have to call dad and have him measure it, I will see if he can send
me a picture so I can post it. We plan on being at Brodhead this year so i
f you're there we can bring it up, it would save a bunch of shipping.
> Shad
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| From: | "cjborsuk" <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com> |
I am sure this question has been answered, but I can't find it in the archives.
The plans call for 13, 14, 16 and 22 ga. steel and .080". I also found in the
archives where some just went with 13 ga. (.090") for everything. Thoughts??
Chuck in Raleigh.
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I am probably wrong for doing this, so don't take my advice on this matter... I
have used .100" for all my fittings so far (lift strut attach, wing attach and
drag cable fittings). I plan to use it for my motor mounts and LG fittings
too. I've probably added a couple of pounds by doing this, but it made for easy
material selection.
I will probably use something thinner for my pulley assemblies and other brackets
since it will be both lighter and easier to work with.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Chuck,
>From an Engineering Materials textbook, the various gage thicknesses are:
13 ga = .0897" thick
14 ga = .0747" thick
16 ga = .0598" thick
22 ga = .0299" thick
Other than weight, in most cases it wouldn't hurt to use .090" for
everything, with a couple of exceptions:
Tha control horns should be made from .032" sheet. Anything thicker would
be too hard to form.
The bracing wire fittings on the tail should not be thicker than .080" if
using the small -8s size turnbuckles and 3/32" cable. The gap in the AN161
fork on a -8s turnbuckle is only .109" wide and if you use .090" steel and
paint it, you will have a hard time slipping that fork over your fitting
tab.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 9:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4130 Steel
I am sure this question has been answered, but I can't find it in the
archives. The plans call for 13, 14, 16 and 22 ga. steel and .080". I also
found in the archives where some just went with 13 ga. (.090") for
everything. Thoughts??
Chuck in Raleigh.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Cool. Thanks.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
Well I doubt it's long enough to help but I have a A-950-0600 throttle cable that
has been cut down to just over 36" if anyone needs it.it is a new cable I removed
from my GN-1 project so I can re-locate my carb if I ever get it back from
the shop.if any of you need it let me know-you can have it for the price of
shipping. Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle cable |
I am interested in ur cable. Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: skellytown flyer [mailto:skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 11:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Throttle cable
Well I doubt it's long enough to help but I have a A-950-0600 throttle cable that
has been cut down to just over 36" if anyone needs it.it is a new cable I removed
from my GN-1 project so I can re-locate my carb if I ever get it back from
the shop.if any of you need it let me know-you can have it for the price of
shipping. Raymond
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | found some.....: 3/8" 4130 Rod |
Just found a piece of 3/8" but it has a 3/16" wall thickness. Hey wait a minute....never
mind, that's a piece of solid bar stock...hahahaha just kidding.
The 3/8" piece I found has a .035 wall thickness. Do you just have to have that
thicker wall thickness? If this will work for you I'll send it to you. I also
found some 1/2" od that has a pretty heavy wall thickness, maybe .090 or even
greater. I didn't measure it but it looks pretty beefy. If you can use that,
let me know and I'll figure out what the wall thickness actually is....
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: Feb 15, 2011 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3/8" 4130 Rod
Thanks Jim. If not, I'll have to move on to plan "B" until I need to place an order
for other items.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Streamline Tubing |
While we're asking each other for short lengths of tubing (or rod, in some
cases), I thought I'd see if anyone on the list has some streamline tubing
that I could buy.
I'm making a heated pitot tube for the RV-10 I'm building. Since I learned
to build airplanes with my Pietenpol, I don't exactly fit the mold of the
typical RV-10 builder. Most of them just think nothing of shelling out $500
for a new heated pitot tube. I can't afford that much money for something
that I hope to never need, so I scrounged around and found a used one from a
Cessna 172 on ebay for $75. I received it today and tested it (both for
pitot function and heating) and found that it works, after I blew all the
mud dauber nests out of it. But I need to make a mount to extend it below
the surface of the wing (Van's recommends 5"). The pitot tube has a 90
degree bend with a streamlined cross section that is made to slip into a
piece of streamlined tubing. I need about 3" of streamlined tubing with a
wall thickness of .049", a major axis of 2.023" and a minor axis of .857".
Aircraft Spruce has such tubing, but the minimum order is 1 foot, for a
price of $23.00. If anybody has such a piece of tubing lying around, I'll
happily pay $10 for it.
I didn't even bother posting this request on the RV-10 list. They'd never
understand that this is the kind of thing REAL homebuilding is all about.
All they want to do is complain about the quality of Van's kits (which is
superb) and whine about which type of glass cockpit electronics to buy.
They already look askance at me because I bought the engine (an O-540
Lycoming) on ebay with the intentions of overhauling it myself. All the
RV-10 builders I know have bought NEW IO-540's for a price of over $50,000
each.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Progress II |
That looks beautiful!
On 02/13/2011 07:48 AM, Jerry Dotson wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson"
>
> On 1/22/2011 I enlisted friends and loved ones to help me hang the 1 piece wing
> for the first time. I will be so proud to hang it with covering and paint on
it. If I had it to do again I would build the 3 piece. Covering will be a challenge
by myself.
> It looks like there will be several Piets finished in a year or so. I hope
to fly in 2011.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330868#330868
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/a10_173.jpg
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Streamline Tubing |
Jack,
I have some leftover pieces of the Carlson streamlined tubing (see attached
) if you can somehow make it work. I won't sell it to you but I would be g
lad to send you a piece if you can use it....
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips
Sent: Feb 16, 2011 1:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Streamline Tubing
While we=99re asking each other for short lengths of tubing (or rod,
in some cases), I thought I=99d see if anyone on the list has some st
reamline tubing that I could buy.
I=99m making a heated pitot tube for the RV-10 I=99m building.
Since I learned to build airplanes with my Pietenpol, I don=99t exac
tly fit the mold of the typical RV-10 builder. Most of them just think not
hing of shelling out $500 for a new heated pitot tube. I can=99t aff
ord that much money for something that I hope to never need, so I scrounged
around and found a used one from a Cessna 172 on ebay for $75. I received
it today and tested it (both for pitot function and heating) and found tha
t it works, after I blew all the mud dauber nests out of it. But I need to
make a mount to extend it below the surface of the wing (Van=99s rec
ommends 5=9D). The pitot tube has a 90 degree bend with a streamline
d cross section that is made to slip into a piece of streamlined tubing. I
need about 3=9D of streamlined tubing with a wall thickness of .049
=9D, a major axis of 2.023=9D and a minor axis of .857=9D
. Aircraft Spruce has such tubing, but the minimum order is 1 foot, for a
price of $23.00. If anybody has such a piece of tubing lying around, I
=99ll happily pay $10 for it.
I didn=99t even bother posting this request on the RV-10 list. They
=99d never understand that this is the kind of thing REAL homebuildin
g is all about. All they want to do is complain about the quality of Van
=99s kits (which is superb) and whine about which type of glass cockp
it electronics to buy. They already look askance at me because I bought th
e engine (an O-540 Lycoming) on ebay with the intentions of overhauling it
myself. All the RV-10 builders I know have bought NEW IO-540=99s for
a price of over $50,000 each.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Raleigh, NC
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Throttle cable |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
OK Brian-when I get an address I'll mail it.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331263#331263
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Streamline Tubing |
Thanks, Jim but I don't know how I could make that fit. I had already
looked at the aluminum streamlined tubing that AS&S sells which I think is
the same. It's just too big. Too bad because it probably is pretty light
compared to the steel.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Streamline Tubing
Jack,
I have some leftover pieces of the Carlson streamlined tubing (see attached)
if you can somehow make it work. I won't sell it to you but I would be glad
to send you a piece if you can use it....
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips
Sent: Feb 16, 2011 1:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Streamline Tubing
While we're asking each other for short lengths of tubing (or rod, in some
cases), I thought I'd see if anyone on the list has some streamline tubing
that I could buy.
I'm making a heated pitot tube for the RV-10 I'm building. Since I learned
to build airplanes with my Pietenpol, I don't exactly fit the mold of the
typical RV-10 builder. Most of them just think nothing of shelling out $500
for a new heated pitot tube. I can't afford that much money for something
that I hope to never need, so I scrounged around and found a used one from a
Cessna 172 on ebay for $75. I received it today and tested it (both for
pitot function and heating) and found that it works, after I blew all the
mud dauber nests out of it. But I need to make a mount to extend it below
the surface of the wing (Van's recommends 5"). The pitot tube has a 90
degree bend with a streamlined cross section that is made to slip into a
piece of streamlined tubing. I need about 3" of streamlined tubing with a
wall thickness of .049", a major axis of 2.023" and a minor axis of .857".
Aircraft Spruce has such tubing, but the minimum order is 1 foot, for a
price of $23.00. If anybody has such a piece of tubing lying around, I'll
happily pay $10 for it.
I didn't even bother posting this request on the RV-10 list. They'd never
understand that this is the kind of thing REAL homebuilding is all about.
All they want to do is complain about the quality of Van's kits (which is
superb) and whine about which type of glass cockpit electronics to buy.
They already look askance at me because I bought the engine (an O-540
Lycoming) on ebay with the intentions of overhauling it myself. All the
RV-10 builders I know have bought NEW IO-540's for a price of over $50,000
each.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Streamline Tubing |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello Pieters:
Anyone living in or near Maineville, Ohio? If so please email me as I have a special
request.
Ken H
Fargo, ND
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
>From Chris Tracy's website......
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/gage_to_thickness_chart.htm
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "cjborsuk" <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 8:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4130 Steel
>
> I am sure this question has been answered, but I can't find it in the
> archives. The plans call for 13, 14, 16 and 22 ga. steel and .080". I also
> found in the archives where some just went with 13 ga. (.090") for
> everything. Thoughts??
>
> Chuck in Raleigh.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331207#331207
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
> now add levelers on each cross piece under the top!
Or, just put some leg levellers under each leg, like a normal table.
Here's an idea for some nice homemade ones.
http://www.woodworkingtips.com/etips/etip010608sn.html
I just drove a lag bolt vertically into the bottom of my table legs. Just screw
them in or out to level.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331289#331289
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Streamline Tubing |
Jack,
I may not have 30 ribs, but I have 14.5" of that exact piece, and it has
your name written all over it!
Gary Boothe
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 11:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Streamline Tubing
While we're asking each other for short lengths of tubing (or rod, in some
cases), I thought I'd see if anyone on the list has some streamline tubing
that I could buy.
I'm making a heated pitot tube for the RV-10 I'm building. Since I learned
to build airplanes with my Pietenpol, I don't exactly fit the mold of the
typical RV-10 builder. Most of them just think nothing of shelling out $500
for a new heated pitot tube. I can't afford that much money for something
that I hope to never need, so I scrounged around and found a used one from a
Cessna 172 on ebay for $75. I received it today and tested it (both for
pitot function and heating) and found that it works, after I blew all the
mud dauber nests out of it. But I need to make a mount to extend it below
the surface of the wing (Van's recommends 5"). The pitot tube has a 90
degree bend with a streamlined cross section that is made to slip into a
piece of streamlined tubing. I need about 3" of streamlined tubing with a
wall thickness of .049", a major axis of 2.023" and a minor axis of .857".
Aircraft Spruce has such tubing, but the minimum order is 1 foot, for a
price of $23.00. If anybody has such a piece of tubing lying around, I'll
happily pay $10 for it.
I didn't even bother posting this request on the RV-10 list. They'd never
understand that this is the kind of thing REAL homebuilding is all about.
All they want to do is complain about the quality of Van's kits (which is
superb) and whine about which type of glass cockpit electronics to buy.
They already look askance at me because I bought the engine (an O-540
Lycoming) on ebay with the intentions of overhauling it myself. All the
RV-10 builders I know have bought NEW IO-540's for a price of over $50,000
each.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Maineville Ohio |
| From: | Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
I'm not too far from there, hit me up off line and I'll see if I can help you out!!
Matthew.Vandervort(at)gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 16, 2011, at 5:59 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote:
>
> Hello Pieters:
>
> Anyone living in or near Maineville, Ohio? If so please email me as I have a
special request.
>
> Ken H
> Fargo, ND
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Streamline Tubing |
Hi Gary,
Thanks a lot! I figured somebody in the Pietenpol world would help me out.
In your honor I will refrain for a period of 30 days from making disparaging
remarks about Corvairs.
Send me your address and I'll send you a check. Send the tubing to:
Jack Phillips
9916 Bonsal Crossing
New Hill, NC 27562
I'll see what the postage was and add that to the $10. I really only need a
little over 3" of the tubing, so if you wish, just cut that much off and
send it. You might need the rest for something else someday.
Thanks again!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 7:34 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Streamline Tubing
Jack,
I may not have 30 ribs, but I have 14.5" of that exact piece, and it has
your name written all over it!
Gary Boothe
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 11:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Streamline Tubing
While we're asking each other for short lengths of tubing (or rod, in some
cases), I thought I'd see if anyone on the list has some streamline tubing
that I could buy.
I'm making a heated pitot tube for the RV-10 I'm building. Since I learned
to build airplanes with my Pietenpol, I don't exactly fit the mold of the
typical RV-10 builder. Most of them just think nothing of shelling out $500
for a new heated pitot tube. I can't afford that much money for something
that I hope to never need, so I scrounged around and found a used one from a
Cessna 172 on ebay for $75. I received it today and tested it (both for
pitot function and heating) and found that it works, after I blew all the
mud dauber nests out of it. But I need to make a mount to extend it below
the surface of the wing (Van's recommends 5"). The pitot tube has a 90
degree bend with a streamlined cross section that is made to slip into a
piece of streamlined tubing. I need about 3" of streamlined tubing with a
wall thickness of .049", a major axis of 2.023" and a minor axis of .857".
Aircraft Spruce has such tubing, but the minimum order is 1 foot, for a
price of $23.00. If anybody has such a piece of tubing lying around, I'll
happily pay $10 for it.
I didn't even bother posting this request on the RV-10 list. They'd never
understand that this is the kind of thing REAL homebuilding is all about.
All they want to do is complain about the quality of Van's kits (which is
superb) and whine about which type of glass cockpit electronics to buy.
They already look askance at me because I bought the engine (an O-540
Lycoming) on ebay with the intentions of overhauling it myself. All the
RV-10 builders I know have bought NEW IO-540's for a price of over $50,000
each.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Streamline Tubing |
Jack,
I'll hold you to your refrain, but my price for a short piece of streamline
tubing is 1 beer at Brodhead.your credit is good.
Gary
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 6:47 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Streamline Tubing
Hi Gary,
Thanks a lot! I figured somebody in the Pietenpol world would help me out.
In your honor I will refrain for a period of 30 days from making disparaging
remarks about Corvairs.
Send me your address and I'll send you a check. Send the tubing to:
Jack Phillips
9916 Bonsal Crossing
New Hill, NC 27562
I'll see what the postage was and add that to the $10. I really only need a
little over 3" of the tubing, so if you wish, just cut that much off and
send it. You might need the rest for something else someday.
Thanks again!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 7:34 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Streamline Tubing
Jack,
I may not have 30 ribs, but I have 14.5" of that exact piece, and it has
your name written all over it!
Gary Boothe
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 11:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Streamline Tubing
While we're asking each other for short lengths of tubing (or rod, in some
cases), I thought I'd see if anyone on the list has some streamline tubing
that I could buy.
I'm making a heated pitot tube for the RV-10 I'm building. Since I learned
to build airplanes with my Pietenpol, I don't exactly fit the mold of the
typical RV-10 builder. Most of them just think nothing of shelling out $500
for a new heated pitot tube. I can't afford that much money for something
that I hope to never need, so I scrounged around and found a used one from a
Cessna 172 on ebay for $75. I received it today and tested it (both for
pitot function and heating) and found that it works, after I blew all the
mud dauber nests out of it. But I need to make a mount to extend it below
the surface of the wing (Van's recommends 5"). The pitot tube has a 90
degree bend with a streamlined cross section that is made to slip into a
piece of streamlined tubing. I need about 3" of streamlined tubing with a
wall thickness of .049", a major axis of 2.023" and a minor axis of .857".
Aircraft Spruce has such tubing, but the minimum order is 1 foot, for a
price of $23.00. If anybody has such a piece of tubing lying around, I'll
happily pay $10 for it.
I didn't even bother posting this request on the RV-10 list. They'd never
understand that this is the kind of thing REAL homebuilding is all about.
All they want to do is complain about the quality of Van's kits (which is
superb) and whine about which type of glass cockpit electronics to buy.
They already look askance at me because I bought the engine (an O-540
Lycoming) on ebay with the intentions of overhauling it myself. All the
RV-10 builders I know have bought NEW IO-540's for a price of over $50,000
each.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Plans for a good fuse workbench |
I made mine out of steel studs. They where relatively
cheap, dead straight and don't warp. It is 14' X 4' by 24" high.
Crossmembers each 24". Eight adjustable leg bolts.
Because of all the existing tools, benches and stuff I had
to put it against a wall. Screwing it to that meant no
bracing required. Lots of shelving underneath and space for
the compressor, extra airtank, planer and other important
stuff. Did I mention dead straight and level? Thank you
steel studs and threaded feet. :-)
Clif
> Or, just put some leg levellers under each leg, like a normal table.
> Here's an idea for some nice homemade ones.
> http://www.woodworkingtips.com/etips/etip010608sn.html
>
>
> I just drove a lag bolt vertically into the bottom of my table legs. Just
> screw them in or out to level.
>
> Bill C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Interesting Saw Blade |
Check this out;
http://www.finalcutblade.com/finalcut_features.php
Clif
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: found some.....: 3/8" 4130 Rod |
Thanks Jim, but that won't work. I really need to have the 3/8", .065 stuff. I'll
move on for now and buy some whenever I place my next order.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 3/8" 4130 Rod |
I sent this yesterday but don't see it in my "sent" folder...I apologize if it's
a duplicate....
I found some 3/8" but it's .035 wall thickness.
I think you wanted something thicker. If this will do the job, let me know and
it's yours.
Jim
Pryor, OK...where it was -20F last Wednesday....today's forecast: 70F...
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>Sent: Feb 15, 2011 3:56 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3/8" 4130 Rod
>
>All I could find was some 5/8".....I do have one more stash I can dig through
that might help us out.....
>
>I'll let you know.
February 10, 2011 - February 17, 2011
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