Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-kg
March 15, 2011 - March 25, 2011
| From: | owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com |
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 5:09 PM
| Subject: | Re: Piet driver (slightly off-topic) |
Thanks Gary.
I hope so, too. He's thinking an aeronautical or aerospace engineering
major might suit him. He's also thinking he might want to go to the
University of Colorado Boulder to do that, since he'd be able to be near the
airplane (and the ski areas that he likes to frequent). Did I mention that
this would mean in-state tuition? Even if I offer to pay avgas bills for
four years, it would still work out to be a pretty good bargain.
I hope everyone will forgive one more indulgence. I've attached a couple
photos from the end of his checkride.
Ken
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Gboothe5 wrote:
> -->
>
> Kudos to Kevin!! If flying is his passion, I hope he always keeps at
> the forefront as he looks for a career!
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken
> Bickers
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:26 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet driver (slightly off-topic)
>
> -->
>
> At the risk of being off-topic, I want to brag a little bit. My
> seventeen year-old son, Kevin, successfully passed his private pilot
> checkride this afternoon. Other than a few hours at the beginning of
> the training process, all of his hours, including the checkride, were
> in our 1957 PA22/20-150 Piper Pacer.
> Apparently it had been awhile since the DE had given a checkride in a
> taildragger.
>
> So Kevin is well on his way to being a Piet driver -- okay, there's
> the connection to the list -- as soon as we finish building it.
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Piet driver (slightly off-topic) |
Very cool, Ken. By introducing him to aviation at this age, you've ensured
he'll never be rich.
At least, not rich in money. But he'll be rich in knowledge and spirit.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet driver (slightly off-topic)
Thanks Gary.
I hope so, too. He's thinking an aeronautical or aerospace
engineering major might suit him. He's also thinking he might want to
go to the University of Colorado Boulder to do that, since he'd be
able to be near the airplane (and the ski areas that he likes to
frequent). Did I mention that this would mean in-state tuition? Even
if I offer to pay avgas bills for four years, it would still work out
to be a pretty good bargain.
I hope everyone will forgive one more indulgence. I've attached a
couple photos from the end of his checkride.
Ken
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Gboothe5 wrote:
>
> Kudos to Kevin!! If flying is his passion, I hope he always keeps at the
> forefront as he looks for a career!
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Bickers
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:26 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet driver (slightly off-topic)
>
>
> At the risk of being off-topic, I want to brag a little bit. My
> seventeen year-old son, Kevin, successfully passed his private
> pilot checkride this afternoon. Other than a few hours at the
> beginning of the training process, all of his hours, including
> the checkride, were in our 1957 PA22/20-150 Piper Pacer.
> Apparently it had been awhile since the DE had given a
> checkride in a taildragger.
>
> So Kevin is well on his way to being a Piet driver -- okay, there's
> the connection to the list -- as soon as we finish building it.
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet driver (slightly off-topic) |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Congratulations to Kevin and to Ken. What a great thing to be able to share your
experiences and passion for aviation. The Pacer is also a great little airplane
to fly.
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334026#334026
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| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
I disagree with reaming the holes in wood after varnish. I read somewhere in either
in my gn1 plans or in some EAA publications that one should actually swab
the holes with varnish and even insert the bolts in the wet varnish to seal
the hole against moisture. Drilling through the wood members exposes the end
grain which will take up moisture if any gets in along the bolt. My project has
been around a long time before I owned it and I have found some beginning of
deterioration where the finish was damaged and some moisture got in. It appears
all of my bolts were set in wet varnish yet I have found some minor corrosion
on the surface of the shanks of some bolts due to moisture getting in. My
2 cents.
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334028#334028
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| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
I disagree with reaming the holes in wood after varnish. I read somewhere in either
in my gn1 plans or in some EAA publications that one should actually swab
the holes with varnish and even insert the bolts in the wet varnish to seal
the hole against moisture. Drilling through the wood members exposes the end
grain which will take up moisture if any gets in along the bolt. My project has
been around a long time before I owned it and I have found some beginning of
deterioration where the finish was damaged and some moisture got in. It appears
all of my bolts were set in wet varnish yet I have found some minor corrosion
on the surface of the shanks of some bolts due to moisture getting in. My
2 cents.
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334029#334029
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
The picture of Kevin and the flight examiner is just about the neatest aviation
related picture I've ever seen.
That's wonderful.
And if this is "off topic"...then we need to redefine "on topic". I say this is
what it's ALL about.
Congrats to you both and thanks for sharing!
Jim....in Denver....at the airport....on my way to Los Angeles....I would MUCH
rather be home making sawdust!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 15, 2011 7:08 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet driver (slightly off-topic)
>
>Thanks Gary.
>
>I hope so, too. He's thinking an aeronautical or aerospace
>engineering major might suit him. He's also thinking he might want to
>go to the University of Colorado Boulder to do that, since he'd be
>able to be near the airplane (and the ski areas that he likes to
>frequent). Did I mention that this would mean in-state tuition? Even
>if I offer to pay avgas bills for four years, it would still work out
>to be a pretty good bargain.
>
>I hope everyone will forgive one more indulgence. I've attached a
>couple photos from the end of his checkride.
>
>Ken
>
>On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Gboothe5 wrote:
>>
>> Kudos to Kevin!! If flying is his passion, I hope he always keeps at the
>> forefront as he looks for a career!
>>
>> Gary Boothe
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:26 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet driver (slightly off-topic)
>>
>>
>> At the risk of being off-topic, I want to brag a little bit. My
>> seventeen year-old son, Kevin, successfully passed his private
>> pilot checkride this afternoon. Other than a few hours at the
>> beginning of the training process, all of his hours, including
>> the checkride, were in our 1957 PA22/20-150 Piper Pacer.
>> Apparently it had been awhile since the DE had given a
>> checkride in a taildragger.
>>
>> So Kevin is well on his way to being a Piet driver -- okay, there's
>> the connection to the list -- as soon as we finish building it.
>> Cheers, Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: ON Topic.... |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Jim, thank you. Your words mean alot -- more than you might realize.
I have to say, I hadn't met the DE before today. But doesn't he look
exactly like the epitome of moutain west aviation. Kevin learned some
things from him; got some sage advice; and was reassured that he was
ready to go out and begin to learn how to fly safely and responsibly.
Thanks again to you and all of the folks on this list, Ken
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Jim Markle wrote:
>
> The picture of Kevin and the flight examiner is just about the neatest aviation
related picture I've ever seen.
>
> That's wonderful.
>
> And if this is "off topic"...then we need to redefine "on topic". I say this
is what it's ALL about.
>
> Congrats to you both and thanks for sharing!
>
> Jim....in Denver....at the airport....on my way to Los Angeles....I would MUCH
rather be home making sawdust!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
>>Sent: Mar 15, 2011 7:08 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet driver (slightly off-topic)
>>
>>Thanks Gary.
>>
>>I hope so, too. He's thinking an aeronautical or aerospace
>>engineering major might suit him. He's also thinking he might want to
>>go to the University of Colorado Boulder to do that, since he'd be
>>able to be near the airplane (and the ski areas that he likes to
>>frequent). Did I mention that this would mean in-state tuition? Even
>>if I offer to pay avgas bills for four years, it would still work out
>>to be a pretty good bargain.
>>
>>I hope everyone will forgive one more indulgence. I've attachedd a
>>couple photos from the end of his checkride.
>>
>>Ken
>>
>>On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Gboothe5 wrote:
>>>
>>> Kudos to Kevin!! If flying is his passion, I hope he always keeps at the
>>> forefront as he looks for a career!
>>>
>>> Gary Boothe
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:26 PM
>>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet driver (slightly off-topic)
>>>
>>>
>>> At the risk of being off-topic, I want to brag a little bit. My
>>> seventeen year-old son, Kevin, successfully passed his private
>>> pilot checkride this afternoon. Other than a few hours at the
>>> beginning of the training process, all of his hours, including
>>> the checkride, were in our 1957 PA22/20-150 Piper Pacer.
>>> Apparently it had been awhile since the DE had given a
>>> checkride in a taildragger.
>>>
>>> So Kevin is well on his way to being a Piet driver -- okay, there's
>>> the connection to the list -- as soon as we finish building it.
>>> Cheers, Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>alle, List Admin.
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet driver (slightly off-topic) |
Send him out here to BC. I know there's at least one here.
The Citabria I'm currently renting is a trainer and
there's quite a few folks, young and old(er) training
on it. I'll ask Bob, the tail wheel guy about it next
time I see him. I've met one guy who is also an ex
air cadet having learned, as I originaly did in '60,
in the Fleet 80 Canuck. Although he's a few years
younger than I.
Clif
>
>
> Good observation Ken. I teach only tailwheel instruction in Canada. I
> have a student right now who is finishing up his Recreational Pilot Permit
> (akin to the sport pilot permit in the US). Now I need to find a
> designated flight test examiner willing to sit in the back seat of a PA 11
> without electrics and radios. Its darn near impossible. That's where we
> are right now in aviation. The tailwheel is close to extinct!
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| From: | "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet driver (slightly off-topic) |
It'll be a long trip Cliff but maybe necessary.
-----Original Message-----
From: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:25:54
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet driver (slightly off-topic)
Send him out here to BC. I know there's at least one here.
The Citabria I'm currently renting is a trainer and
there's quite a few folks, young and old(er) training
on it. I'll ask Bob, the tail wheel guy about it next
time I see him. I've met one guy who is also an ex
air cadet having learned, as I originaly did in '60,
in the Fleet 80 Canuck. Although he's a few years
younger than I.
Clif
>
>
> Good observation Ken. I teach only tailwheel instruction in Canada. I
> have a student right now who is finishing up his Recreational Pilot Permit
> (akin to the sport pilot permit in the US). Now I need to find a
> designated flight test examiner willing to sit in the back seat of a PA 11
> without electrics and radios. Its darn near impossible. That's where we
> are right now in aviation. The tailwheel is close to extinct!
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| From: | JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | cliff and off topic even farther |
Cliff,=0AI do not mean to get further off the topic, but do they still brew
O'Keefe's =0AExtra Old Stock? =0A=0A=0AJoe Swithin, Morris, IL=0AJust-be
ginning wing ribs=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Ken Bicker's 17 year old son passes Private Pilot Exam |
!
Now there's some GREAT NEWS Ken and what a proud day that must have been fo
r you yesterday afternoon when your son received
his Private Pilot rating. Good for LIFE now ! How many other young peo
ple at 17 can say that they are FAA Certificated Private Pilots
these days ? So many young people are not taking advantage of the wide op
en field of flying, aviation,
and aviation related careers that are blossoming worldwide. I know it is
n't a trivial matter to finance a private rating but in the big scope
of things you can't buy a low end Kia for what you can get your private tic
ket for these days and the car will rust and fall apart but your son's
private pilot rating will never fade. He'll have it for life.
What a day to celebrate ! At the end of 2008 there were only 613,000 Ce
rtificated pilots in the United States of America and only 223,000 of
them held Private Certificates. (well now 223,001 :) According to th
e US Census Bureau our current population in the US is 310,994,608 people
so that means that there is only ONE Private Pilot for every 1,394 people l
iving in the United States.
To me that's very, very special and to be 17 and have that accomplishment u
nder your son's belt must be a really proud moment to you, him, and your
family !
Mike C.
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Hey you A guys...
got my engine back from the builder and was messing with a timing cover.
a flat cover with the stock gaskets would be tight against the camshaft gear...
is mine the only one like that ?? did you make a spacer ?
i was thinking of maybe dishing out the cover to give some clearance
need to figure this out before i can cut the oil pan to match
jeff faith
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| Subject: | Re: A timing cover |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jeff,
The timing gear must be shaved off. I think it was 1/8", but do it to your
personal preference.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 11:14 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A timing cover
>
Hey you A guys...
ot my engine back from the builder and was messing with a timing cover.
flat cover with the stock gaskets would be tight against the camshaft gear
...
s mine the only one like that ?? did you make a spacer ?
was thinking of maybe dishing out the cover to give some clearance
need to figure this out before i can cut the oil pan to match
jeff faith
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A timing cover |
Not sure if this is something you could see from the outside or not...but if it
is....I can take a picture of model A setup this weekend. If that would help.
But you'll need to tell me exactly what to take the picture of...
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
>Sent: Mar 16, 2011 9:11 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: A timing cover
>
>
>Hey you A guys...
>got my engine back from the builder and was messing with a timing cover.
>a flat cover with the stock gaskets would be tight against the camshaft gear...
is mine the only one like that ?? did you make a spacer ?
>i was thinking of maybe dishing out the cover to give some clearance
>
>need to figure this out before i can cut the oil pan to match
>
>jeff faith
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334089#334089
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: and Kevin Bicker's passed his Private Exam in........ |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Kevin,
What a great day for you and your son. I have had a daughter get her private on
here 17th as well. It is a great feeling you get as a parent and one that needs
to be shared with others. A proud parent moment!
Congratulations to all,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: A timing cover |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
hey Dan.. did you shave yours ?? and how
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: and Kevin Bicker's passed his Private Exam in........ |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
I'll be sure and tell her. She and her husband are coming down from Oregon this
weekend for my Birthday party. Hopefully I can take them flying while they
are here.
Perhaps we can get you up in my plane next time you are around. I don't need much
encouragement to go flying.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: A timing cover |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
nice..! i'll toss em up you can knock em out Bill....
i just walked out and looked... i think it may be better to add a spacer.... just
about a 1/6 and not shave... it looks like it would hit both gears
my thought of dishing would make it hard to line up with the bottom piece on the
oil pan
jeff
i like double edge myself
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| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
Does anyone know where to find any information on a NA-S3 (/B stamped)
carburetor. The Upper Throttle Body has the NA-S3/B and the Main Body
has a parts list number of 380167-3.
I have found lots of information for the NA-S3A1 carb like the Overhaul
Manual, Parts Manuals, but I cannot figure out what the difference is
between the /B and the A1.
I'm disassembling it to find out the venturi and jet sizes to make sure they
are correct for the C85.
Don't worry Gary, If Jack replies today, It will be Corvair friendly.
Thanks Y'all,
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Where's My Video? |
I finally broke down and purchased a new VHS / DVD player so I could watch
all my Piet videos, Corvair building tapes, etc. The old player had
keeled over about a year ago (and I'm cheap; OK!) Anyway I thought it
would be a great break in for the new unit to record Mr. Cuy's VHS tape
onto a more durable DVD since the new unit is capable of doing that.
When, what to my chagrin - some nefarious scoundrel stole all the video
off my tape and left only static behind. And Mr. Markle hasn't even
visited me yet. WHAT AM I TO DO?
Mike. Do you still have that video available? Maybe you've even upgraded
to DVD format by now. If you still have them, I will be in the market for
a new one.
Thanks,
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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| Subject: | Re: and Kevin Bicker's passed his Private Exam in........ |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Jim,
I hope to be there. The weather against the mountains is always iffy that time
of year. Last year was blowing 25 gusting to 30 knots when I left Fox Field.
Thanks for the birthday wishes.
Hope to see you in June.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | I announced a while ago.....my DVD is again available |
I am back in FULL DVD production with a new DVD recorder. Sorry you mi
ssed that note Tom so Infidels, Countrymen, and fellow Pieters (as Corky c
alls us) can obtain one of my 2.5 hour DVD's for $25 which includes Priorit
y Mail shipping. No Paypal. Checks, cash, money orders, first borns....
..only if I get the income tax deduction and you raise the child.
Michael Cuy, PO Box 736, Berea, OH 44017
Caution: This DVD may induce sleepiness, drowsiness to self or others near
by while viewing. Do not operate machinery, hand tools, or drive while wat
ching this video. May induce nausea, cramping, gas, stomach upset, pregn
ancy, or bowel irritability.
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| Subject: | Re: I announced a while ago.....my DVD is again available |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Caution: This DVD may induce progress, motivation, inspiration, ah-ha's, smiles,
and entertainment to self or others nearby while viewing.
Do not forget to continue to operate machinery, hand tools, or shop equipment while
watching this video. (Otherwise delays in Pietenpol progress are not the
responsibility of the film maker...)
May induce project completion, pride, craftsmanship, and camaraderie...
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: I announced a while ago.....my DVD is again available |
it's okay Tom....I've seen my DVD's and VHS tapes on ebay used...at flea ma
rkets.....in trash bins at McDonald's :))
It was a pure scam originally and worked out better than I could have imagi
ned:)
Billy Mays even offered to sell my DVD's for me before his untimely passing
. "and with the purchase of
this DVD you'll get this amazing set of Ginsu knives at ABSOLUTELY NO EXTRA
CHARGE !!!!!!!!!!!"
[cid:image001.jpg(at)01CBE40F.6DD8D3C0]
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| Subject: | Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving |
CD still avilable also
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
And while this thread has some lift left to it, I'll unashamedly pile-on to
to do some self-promotion for myself, so I can selfishly profit from the m
omentum. My instructional prop-carving CD is still available from Aircraft
Spruce http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/bvpages/propellercarving.php.
This must be a good, professional product, otherwise ACS would not be selli
ng it, right?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving |
CD still avilable also
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
And while this thread has some lift left to it, I'll unashamedly pile-on to
to do some self-promotion for myself, so I can selfishly profit from the m
omentum. My instructional prop-carving CD is still available from Aircraft
Spruce http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/bvpages/propellercarving.php.
This must be a good, professional product, otherwise ACS would not be selli
ng it, right?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Stromberg Carb |
| From: | "bradandlinda tds.net" <bradandlinda(at)tds.net> |
Dear Curt, Try Precision Engines (425) 347-2800 ask for Bob. He's very
knowledgble on carbs, and they have Stromberg parts. Cost of O.H. is $795
plus parts (float needle $139, float needle seat $157). I decided to go
with a new Aeroinjector "carb" on my A65. They have 3 different sizes that
cover different h.p. ranges. They are only $395. They will not ice up so
no carb heat is needed. They will not flood. One or two blades to start.
They offer a4"DiaX2.75 " air filter that mounts on the bottom inside the
cowling (don't use ram air intake as it will make the eng run lean). No
primer needed! They have no bowl or float valve to stick or leak. Aero
Conversions Products (aeroconversions.com) (920) 231-8297 ask for Mark
Schaible. The guys in our area that have them swear by them. (experimental
acft only) Brad Williams NX29NX
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Piet2112 wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where to find any information on a NA-S3 (/B stamped)
> carburetor. The Upper Throttle Body has the NA-S3/B and the Main Body
> has a parts list number of 380167-3.
>
> I have found lots of information for the NA-S3A1 carb like the Overhaul
> Manual, Parts Manuals, but I cannot figure out what the difference is
> between the /B and the A1.
>
> I'm disassembling it to find out the venturi and jet sizes to make sure
> they
> are correct for the C85.
>
> Don't worry Gary, If Jack replies today, It will be Corvair friendly.
>
> Thanks Y'all,
>
> Curt Merdan
> Flower Mound, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334110#334110
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
Hello Group, need some input.- Does anyone have experiance(success) with
fiberglass fuel tanks and the newer auto fuels containing some ethenol?-
I am getting to the stage of fuel tank construction on my bipe, and fibergl
ass would be eaiser for the shape of my tank.- I have a mold made, and am
using a Lycoming (yes all you corvair haters a Lycoming).- I am thinking
ahead a little and a little concerned for the future of 100LL and would li
ke it if I did not have to build another tank due to fuel availability.-
I would also like to use blended 100LL and auto gas to keep the flying more
afordable.- Dad used vinyl- ester resin, but cant find the "cupon sample
" to soak in todays corn laced gasoline.-
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: cliff and off topic even farther |
O'Keefe is owned by Molson now. I only drink
Granville Island Pale and a couple of other locals.
Small family breweries that still have a real name
and face.
So I'm not sure. My drinkin' buds don't drink it
either but they tell me they've seen it so I guess
the answer is yes. :-)
Clif
Cliff,
I do not mean to get further off the topic, but do they still brew
O'Keefe's Extra Old Stock?
Joe Swithin, Morris, IL
Just beginning wing ribs
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Shad I faced the same dilemma and embarked on a build your own aluminum tank. It
has been a long process. I welded all the seams. Warped bad, but that's what
hammers and oak blocks are for. I put the Wilson glove on it last night.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334160#334160
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Stromberg Carb |
Yeah! I'm planning to use an Aeroinjector, also.
----- Original Message -----
From: bradandlinda tds.net
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg Carb
Dear Curt, Try Precision Engines (425) 347-2800 ask for Bob. He's
very knowledgble on carbs, and they have Stromberg parts. Cost of O.H.
is $795 plus parts (float needle $139, float needle seat $157). I
decided to go with a new Aeroinjector "carb" on my A65. They have 3
different sizes that cover different h.p. ranges. They are only $395.
They will not ice up so no carb heat is needed. They will not flood.
One or two blades to start. They offer a4"DiaX2.75 " air filter that
mounts on the bottom inside the cowling (don't use ram air intake as it
will make the eng run lean). No primer needed! They have no bowl or
float valve to stick or leak. Aero Conversions Products
(aeroconversions.com) (920) 231-8297 ask for Mark Schaible. The guys
in our area that have them swear by them. (experimental acft only)
Brad Williams NX29NX
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Piet2112 wrote:
Does anyone know where to find any information on a NA-S3 (/B
stamped)
carburetor. The Upper Throttle Body has the NA-S3/B and the Main
Body
has a parts list number of 380167-3.
I have found lots of information for the NA-S3A1 carb like the
Overhaul
Manual, Parts Manuals, but I cannot figure out what the difference
is
between the /B and the A1.
I'm disassembling it to find out the venturi and jet sizes to make
sure they
are correct for the C85.
Don't worry Gary, If Jack replies today, It will be Corvair
friendly.
Thanks Y'all,
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334110#334110
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
Jerry's post mentioning the O-235 made me remember to post the latest on
"my" O-235. We decided yesterday that the engine is too old and probably
cannot get parts for it and if the parts are available they would probably
cost an arm and leg. It's a WW2 version (the engine - not my arm and leg.
Although, come to think about it, my arms and legs are WW2 versions, also.)
So I've decided to go a different route. Close your ears, Jack, probably a
Corvair.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
>
>
> Shad I faced the same dilemma and embarked on a build your own aluminum
> tank. It has been a long process. I welded all the seams. Warped bad, but
> that's what hammers and oak blocks are for. I put the Wilson glove on it
> last night.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334160#334160
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
Shad, keep us posted on what you find out about the fiberglass/ethenol
thing. I would be interested in finding out the answer to your
question. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 11:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
Hello Group, need some input. Does anyone have
experiance(success) with fiberglass fuel tanks and the newer auto fuels
containing some ethenol? I am getting to the stage of fuel tank
construction on my bipe, and fiberglass would be eaiser for the shape of
my tank. I have a mold made, and am using a Lycoming (yes all you
corvair haters a Lycoming). I am thinking ahead a little and a little
concerned for the future of 100LL and would like it if I did not have to
build another tank due to fuel availability. I would also like to use
blended 100LL and auto gas to keep the flying more afordable. Dad used
vinyl- ester resin, but cant find the "cupon sample" to soak in todays
corn laced gasoline.
Shad
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: and Kevin Bicker's passed his Private Exam in........ |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
The weather should be good as long as you don't leave me in charge of it.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334167#334167
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Shad,
Don't use fiberglass if you are planning on any auto gas. It will not be good.
Dad has a glass tank in his KR-2 and while using auto gas the tank melted.
Of coarse there were fumes in the cockpit first then came the leaks. It happened
to him twice. Mike Madrid also had it happen in his GN-1. He finally took
the J-3 tank out of his Flybaby and put it in the Piet. A metal tank is the
only way to go if you are considering anything other then aircraft fuel. Remember
that what ever replaces 100LL will need to be compatible with composite
airframes. There are too many production aircraft to do anything else. My nose
tank is out of an Opal Kadet car and my center section tank is a Cessna 140
wing tank. That gives me 22 gallons usable. My butt is not designed for that
much fuel, but it's nice to have it.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334168#334168
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
I'll wait till tomorrow (when the moratorium is over) to reply
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
Jerry's post mentioning the O-235 made me remember to post the latest on
"my" O-235. We decided yesterday that the engine is too old and probably
cannot get parts for it and if the parts are available they would probably
cost an arm and leg. It's a WW2 version (the engine - not my arm and leg.
Although, come to think about it, my arms and legs are WW2 versions, also.)
So I've decided to go a different route. Close your ears, Jack, probably a
Corvair.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
>
>
> Shad I faced the same dilemma and embarked on a build your own aluminum
> tank. It has been a long process. I welded all the seams. Warped bad, but
> that's what hammers and oak blocks are for. I put the Wilson glove on it
> last night.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334160#334160
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I announced a while ago.....my DVD is again available |
I know. I'm a BAADD boy.
Tom
>>> "Bill Church" 3/16/2011 6:09 PM >>>
You never should have pirated that first copy.
Karma will get you every time.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO
CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO
CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO
CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO
CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR! GO
CORVAIR! GO CORVAIR!....
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 5:55 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
I'll wait till tomorrow (when the moratorium is over) to reply
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
Jerry's post mentioning the O-235 made me remember to post the latest on
"my" O-235. We decided yesterday that the engine is too old and probably
cannot get parts for it and if the parts are available they would probably
cost an arm and leg. It's a WW2 version (the engine - not my arm and leg.
Although, come to think about it, my arms and legs are WW2 versions, also.)
So I've decided to go a different route. Close your ears, Jack, probably a
Corvair.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
>
>
> Shad I faced the same dilemma and embarked on a build your own aluminum
> tank. It has been a long process. I welded all the seams. Warped bad, but
> that's what hammers and oak blocks are for. I put the Wilson glove on it
> last night.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334160#334160
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Gary,
Is that the starting proceedure for the (what did you call it?) Corvair? I had
one once. It was a car. It didn't go fast enough to fly. Mostly just broke
down next to the highway. Hope yours runs better.
All joking aside, There used to be a yellow Piet at Corona years ago with a Corvair
in it. A gentleman named Alan owned and built it. That thing would out
climb my mine and sounded OK too. Alan moved to AZ when he retired and built
an "A" powered Piet. Now he has a pair of them. Lucky guy. Both of them built
to plans.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334179#334179
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
Jerry, are you going to sun n fun? I am flying down on Saturday the 26 with 2
other Piets an a gaggle of others from Carrollton and camping out with them. Our
Piets will be in the homebuilt area. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 6:59:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
Shad I faced the same dilemma and embarked on a build your own aluminum tank. It
has been a long process. I welded all the seams. Warped bad, but that's what
hammers and oak blocks are for. I put the Wilson glove on it last night.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334160#334160
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Ha-ha! Don't encourage Jack! Hope mine runs better too...I'm betting my life on
it!
See you at Frazier Lake this year?
Gary
------Original Message------
From: AircamperN11MS
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
Sent: Mar 17, 2011 6:22 AM
Gary,
Is that the starting proceedure for the (what did you call it?) Corvair? I had
one once. It was a car. It didn't go fast enough to fly. Mostly just broke
down next to the highway. Hope yours runs better.
All joking aside, There used to be a yellow Piet at Corona years ago with a Corvair
in it. A gentleman named Alan owned and built it. That thing would out
climb my mine and sounded OK too. Alan moved to AZ when he retired and built
an "A" powered Piet. Now he has a pair of them. Lucky guy. Both of them built
to plans.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334179#334179
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
I'll be there as long as the weather Gods are nice to me.
It's possible that I'll bring friends with me to. They'll look like bugs in my
teeth.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334187#334187
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
| From: | "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au> |
Shad
I have been tossing up about a fiberglass tank and think that I may go that
way.
A while ago I spoke to the people at the Jabaru factory in Bunderburg
Australia all the Jab's have fiberglass tanks and a lot of people run them on unleaded,anyway
they use a sloshing compound in the tank that won't react with
ethenol.
If you like I can call and get the name if you like
Carson
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334188#334188
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Shad, Carson,
I built mine with fiberglass and epoxy resin. I'm aware that this
precludes use of auto fuel purchased at service stations, since all of
that has corn additives in it. Fortunately, our FBO still is able to
buy Mogas prior to the addition of the additives and, I figure, 100LL
or some sort of direct replacement will be available into the
foreseeable future.
For me, the ease of building in fiberglass was attractive.
Truthfully, I don't much like aluminum. It wants to crack. It
doesn't feel right and the splinters hurt.
The way I did it was to buy a couple of sheets of the 1/4" (or 3/8", I
can't recall at the moment) thick foam that is sold in 2' x 4' sheets
from the marine building supply houses, though I think Aircraft Spruce
sells it, too. I fiberglassed both sides with a two or three layers
of regular bi cloth. This produced a pair of nice stiff boards that
could be cut just like plywood into a bottom, sides, etc. The pieces
were assembled into the tank shape with a thick putty epoxy that is
used for marine repairs. Before the joints dried, I smoothed these
into nice filets. Once the parts were assembed (and before the top
was put on), I used a few layers of fiberglass tape, to reinforce the
joints, both inside and out. Also before putting on the top is the
time to drill holes and install the strainer and fuel line fittings
When putting on the top, you cannot use the interior reinforcement
tapes, but you can use a liberal amount of the epoxy putty and then
double-up the taping on the outside. The result is a nice, stiff fuel
cell. It won't look like the outside of a Lancair, but it doesn't need
to. I even put in a baffle, using the same techique. It didn't take
long to build and ends up basically using simple wood working skills.
Cheers, Ken
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:01 AM, carson wrote:
>
> Shad
> I have been tossing up about a fiberglass tank and think that I may go that
> way.
> A while ago I spoke to the people at the Jabaru factory in Bunderburg
> Australia all the Jab's have fiberglass tanks and a lot of people run them on
unleaded,anyway they use a sloshing compound in the tank that won't react with
ethenol.
> If you like I can call and get the name if you like
> Carson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334188#334188
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob & Michelle Jauch <rmjauch(at)gmail.com> |
Hey All,
I just finished the tail and getting ready to start the fuselage.
Is marine AA-fir plywood acceptable for the fuselage sides and bottom? It"s
available here in town so I would save on shipping.
Thanks,
Bob Jauch
Fort Wayne,IN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
If you use vinyl ester resin you should be ok=2C but not 100% sure on that.
Do not use epoxy or poly ester resin.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Date: Wed=2C 16 Mar 2011 20:49:49 -0700
From: aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
Hello Group=2C need some input. Does anyone have experiance(success) with
fiberglass fuel tanks and the newer auto fuels containing some ethenol? I
am getting to the stage of fuel tank construction on my bipe=2C and fibergl
ass would be eaiser for the shape of my tank. I have a mold made=2C and am
using a Lycoming (yes all you corvair haters a Lycoming). I am thinking a
head a little and a little concerned for the future of 100LL and would like
it if I did not have to build another tank due to fuel availability. I wo
uld also like to use blended 100LL and auto gas to keep the flying more afo
rdable. Dad used vinyl- ester resin=2C but cant find the "cupon sample" to
soak in todays corn laced gasoline.
Shad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi Bob - I used aircraft grade mahogany. There are some well-respected aircraft
that use marine ply. The Fly Baby has marine plywood all over the fuselage.
FWIW
Kevin
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334202#334202
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! That's what we need! We don't have ethenol in NC yet but
we probably will have before this fuel thing is over -- if ever!
----- Original Message -----
From: "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 10:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol
>
> Shad
> I have been tossing up about a fiberglass tank and think that I may go
> that
> way.
> A while ago I spoke to the people at the Jabaru factory in Bunderburg
> Australia all the Jab's have fiberglass tanks and a lot of people run them
> on unleaded,anyway they use a sloshing compound in the tank that won't
> react with ethenol.
> If you like I can call and get the name if you like
> Carson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334188#334188
>
>
>
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| From: | TGSTONE236(at)aol.com |
I ONLY KNOWOF 2 PLACES IN WILMINGTON NC THAT HAS GAS ADVERTISED WITH NO
ETHENOL.
MAYBE OTHER PLACES IN NC ARE DIFFERENT.
TED STONE
BUILDING CORVAIR POWERED PIETENPOL
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
Bob:
I went to LL Johnsons in South Bend and bought 4x8 sheets of Okoume
plywood. This is manufactured to the European BS 1088 spec. which is ok for
aircraft use.
Here is their website link... http://www.theworkbench.com/index.php
Painting my head studs on my corvair today.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
> [Original Message]
> From: Bob & Michelle Jauch <rmjauch(at)gmail.com>
> To:
> Date: 3/17/2011 10:37:44 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: plywood
>
>
> Hey All,
> I just finished the tail and getting ready to start the
fuselage. Is marine AA-fir plywood acceptable for the fuselage sides and
bottom? It"s available here in town so I would save on shipping.
> Thanks,
>
> Bob Jauch
> Fort Wayne,IN
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>
> -----
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
| From: | "womenfly2" <keriannprice(at)hotmail.com> |
The Dow Chemical's Derakane 411-350 is a Vinyl ester resin and should be ideal
for this application. The Vinyl ester family of products developed by Dow were
formulated specifically for the chemical industry for manufacturing piping and
storage tanks ( Auto gas). The benefit of the resin is that once cured it is
chemically very inert and does act as a sealant for a wide variety of fluids.
The chemical is available in the USA, in small quantities, it's pre-promoted and
its cheap. Its well proven, use in Service stations underground gas tanks are
made of this resin and auto gas is more corrosive that Avgas.
The issue comes with using cheap resins.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334206#334206
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: ETHENOL IN NC |
Don't they have to indicate on the pump if ethenol is being used? I
haven't seen any signs in Winston-Salem yet.
----- Original Message -----
From: TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC
I ONLY KNOWOF 2 PLACES IN WILMINGTON NC THAT HAS GAS ADVERTISED WITH
NO ETHENOL.
MAYBE OTHER PLACES IN NC ARE DIFFERENT.
TED STONE
BUILDING CORVAIR POWERED PIETENPOL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving |
CD still avilable also
What would you charge me to carve me a prop for a Corvair?
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan
Helsper's prop-carving CD still avilable also
And while this thread has some lift left to it, I'll unashamedly
pile-on to to do some self-promotion for myself, so I can selfishly
profit from the momentum. My instructional prop-carving CD is still
available from Aircraft Spruce
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/bvpages/propellercarving.php. This
must be a good, professional product, otherwise ACS would not be selling
it, right?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving |
CD still avilable also
What? No fellow pieter discount?
--- On Wed, 3/16/11, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's
prop-carving CD still avilable also
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 7:15 PM
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> the momentum. My instructional prop-carving
> CD is still availablefrom Aircraft Spruce http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/bvpages/propellercarving.php.
> This must be a good, professional product, otherwise ACS
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| Subject: | Fiberglass Fuel Tanks |
| From: | Gordon Bowen <gordon.bowen.training(at)gmail.com> |
Pretty easy to make.
1) carve a styrofoam block to the exact size you want, test fit the block in
the airplane, allow 1/4" undersize for the block cause youre gonna cover the
block with tape and fiberglass. You can use multiple plies of 2" foam and
heat glue gun to get the thickness you need.
2) cover the block with box seal tape (brown stuff or clear), Then car wax
with carnuba wax the box sealing tape. Excess wax is not good, wax it like
youre doing your car. Buff it out.
3) using a satin weave fiberglass (tight weave) cover the box sealing tape
with min. 3 plies of glass and epoxy. ( I used Saf-t-poxy, this epoxy has a
30 yr track record of fuel tanks in canard-pusher Rutan type airplanes).
Don't use an open weave fiberglass it sucks up too much resin and makes the
part heavier.
4) laminate in place a 1/4" thick AL block where the drain and vent are to
go.
5) laminate in a fuel fill ring where the fill is to go, get the matching
fuel cap at the same time.
6) laminate the AL blocks in place using at least 3 more plies of fiberglass
where the fill and drains are to go.
7) Use adequate resin, the fiberglass should be completed wetted, (no white
spots where the fiberglass did not wet),
8) let cure in the sunshine for at least 21 days or in a makeshift "oven"
under a work bench until the resin has cured at least 3 days at 150F. To
help heat up the tank, cover with black plastic if using sunshine.
9) make darn sure you get the mix ratio on the resin right, use a postal
scale. This will keep alcohol from leaching the unreacted hardener or resin
if you get the ratio wrong.
10) after cure, cut the tank in half, using. a dremel to cut the fiberglass
and a hacksaw to cut the foam block.
11) pull the foam block out and clean the inside with acetone or MEK from
the paint dept at Home Depot.
12) put the two empty halves back together after you have sanded a strip 2"
wide around where you are gonna fiberglass the tank back together. 80 grit
roughness.
13) using 2" wide strips of fiberglass epoxy the two halves back together,
use min. 3 plies over the seam.
14) now drill and tap for the drain and vent fittings 1/4" threaded.
15) cut the glass for the fill cap.
16) Check for leaks using water after you've drilled and tapped, it's easier
to fix leaks now.
17) if leaking, completely dry the tank, pull a very slight vacuum with a
vacuum sweeper (very very slight or you'll collapes the tank), then repaint
the outside of the tank with epoxy.
The vacuum will suck the resin into the leaks. Let the epoxy completely
cure before testing again.
Regarding epoxy and alcohol. Vinyl ester (Dow Derakane) has the best
chemical resistance of any laminating resin but will shrink about 7%, and
the shelf life is only about 4 weeks. Safetpoxy has a good record with all
chemicals but your biggest problem will not be with the epoxy being eaten by
the alcohol or fuel. Alcohol in fuel will eat the gaskets out of your
gasolator and it will destroy the gaskets in carbs. So use only AVgas if
you can, or 1/2 AVgas and 1/2 Mogas.
All done.
Good luckill sc
Gordon Bowen
N-1033 B
Quasi-Piete
700 hrs and counting
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: ETHENOL IN NC |
Don't they have to indicate on the pump if ethenol is being used? I
haven't seen any signs in Winston-Salem yet.
----- Original Message -----
From: TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC
I ONLY KNOWOF 2 PLACES IN WILMINGTON NC THAT HAS GAS ADVERTISED WITH
NO ETHENOL.
MAYBE OTHER PLACES IN NC ARE DIFFERENT.
TED STONE
BUILDING CORVAIR POWERED PIETENPOL
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Stromberg Carb |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Curt,
Check this out (thanks to Terry Bowden for posting this stuff):
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesFiles/Stromberg%20NAS3A1,%20C-series%20Cont.pdf
It's an excerpt from a service manual for Continental C-75 and C-85 engines, relating
to the NA-S3A1, but there is a parts list at the back which also lists
the parts for the NA-S3B. It looks like MOST of the parts are common, but there
are a few differences. It looks like the NA-S3B does not have a mixture control,
just a cover plate (index number 55).
I also believe (I may well be wrong - so if anyone knows better, please chime in)
that the NA-S3B is intended for use with the A-65 engine. If that's the case,
the venturi is likely only 1 1/4", rather than the 1 3/8" required for the
C-85.
As to whether the NA-S3B can be used, or modified for use with a C-85, I'll leave
that for others more intelligent than I.
Bill C.
PS
Chuck, were you replying to a different thread???
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334220#334220
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| Subject: | Re: ETHENOL IN NC |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Here's a handy website that lists gas stations that DO NOT have ethanol mixed with
their gas.
http://pure-gas.org/
The lists are updated by the users. If you know of a station that offers ethanol-free
gas, you can add it to the list. Conversely, if you know of a station that
no longer offers ethanol-free gas, you can take them off the list. Just click
on the state or province you want to know about, and get a list of stations
that serve ethanol-free gas.
I just checked for NC, since that state was specifically mentioned, and Wilmington
has 4 stations listed, and Winston-Salem only has 2.
NC is one of the many states that DO NOT require the pumps to be labeled if ethanol
is added to the gas, according to this website:
http://www.fuel-testers.com/state_guide_ethanol_laws.html
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334221#334221
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
As far as I know, nearly all gas in NC is 10% ethanol. It is very difficult
to find gas that does not contain ethanol.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC
Don't they have to indicate on the pump if ethenol is being used? I haven't
seen any signs in Winston-Salem yet.
----- Original Message -----
From: TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC
I ONLY KNOWOF 2 PLACES IN WILMINGTON NC THAT HAS GAS ADVERTISED WITH NO
ETHENOL.
MAYBE OTHER PLACES IN NC ARE DIFFERENT.
TED STONE
BUILDING CORVAIR POWERED PIETENPOL
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Hey, maybe this scientific breakthrough will eliminate the problems associated
with ethanol in gasoline.
http://www.canadianmanufacturing.com/design-engineering/news/biofuel-breakthrough-25876?utm_source=DE-eNewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DesignEng-03172011
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334225#334225
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | FW: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan |
Hey guys! Look what I saw on the Flitzer List! Anyone recognize that guy
in the upper left? Also, on the right is Patrick Hoyt, 601 builder, and,
most notably, powered with a Corvair! I heard his EAA chapter was
building a Piet.
Gary Boothe
From: Flitzer-Builders(at)yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Flitzer-Builders(at)yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ronny Gosselin
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan
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Nice project! Thanks for sharing.
This caught my eye...For T-88 glue it could be a good clamp for
some uses? what do you guys think? ( they look like just cut plastic
tubes? are they?)
Thanks all for the anwsers, very exciting!
Ron from Montreal
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Bobka <mailto:sbobka(at)charter.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 12:32 AM
Subject: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan
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From: morrisoff(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG
Then let's have the photos of what you have actually done.
We're looking for real experience guidance, not theory.
Morrisov
-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Bobka <sbobka(at)charter.net>
Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 12:02 am
Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG
I build square tails exclusively.
Cheers,
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: morrisoff(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] Emailing: fin in jig.JPG
Chris - Very useful. Can we see pics of the round tail you built? And
how you did it?
Prost! Baron Ivan Morrisov
Connecticut Flitzer Werke
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| Subject: | Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan |
| From: | "Ken_P" <ken.potts1(at)gmail.com> |
Careful Jack - Less than 24 hours to go...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334234#334234
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan |
Actually, since you're in Australia now Ken, the time is up for you, since
this is already March 18 there. So if I send disparaging remarks about
Corvairs to you, and copy the rest of the Pietenpol list, that should be ok,
right?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken_P
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan
Careful Jack - Less than 24 hours to go...
Read this topic online here:
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | What a Day to Fly!! |
Today I did the annual spring Plane swap - flew the RV-4 from Raleigh to
Smith Mountain Lake (94 nm in 36 minutes = 156 knots or 180 mph), and
then
brought the Pietenpol back (94 nm in 1 hour 46 minutes = 53.2 knots or
61
mph) to begin the spring Fly-in season this weekend. I had 79 =B0 F,
perfectly clear skies and 50 miles visibility, with surface winds light
and
variable. Even made 2 nice 3-point landings (one in each airplane). It
just doesn't get any better than this!
Saturday I'll fly the Pietenpol into our monthly EAA Chapter meeting,
then
fly it down to Carthage, NC, for lunch at the Pik 'n' Pig and the
dedication
of a plaque to James McConnell, an early aviator from Carthage who
fought
(and died) in the Lafayette Escadrille in The Great War. I'll keep the
Pietenpol here during most of April and attend a few fly-ins, then get
it
back to Smith Mountain Lake in time for our fly-in there on April 30.
In
May I'm supposed to have it on static dsiplay for the Lynchburg Airshow
which will be a pretty major airshow, complete with the Blue Angels
(http://www.lynchburgairshow.com/) . I don't know what June will bring,
but
then the major event of the year will be flying to Brodhead for the
Pietenpol Reunion, along with that other Wisconsin Fly-in the following
week.
Life is good!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: ETHENOL IN NC |
I guess I stand corrected. The last time we had this problem, in the
70's I think, if a pump had ethenol there had to be a notice to that
effect printed on the pump. I guess they must have changed that. I
have noticed a slight decrease in fuel milage on my auto but just
thought it was because of my driving.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC
As far as I know, nearly all gas in NC is 10% ethanol. It is very
difficult to find gas that does not contain ethanol.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 2:41 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC
Don't they have to indicate on the pump if ethenol is being used? I
haven't seen any signs in Winston-Salem yet.
----- Original Message -----
From: TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ETHENOL IN NC
I ONLY KNOWOF 2 PLACES IN WILMINGTON NC THAT HAS GAS ADVERTISED WITH
NO ETHENOL.
MAYBE OTHER PLACES IN NC ARE DIFFERENT.
TED STONE
BUILDING CORVAIR POWERED PIETENPOL
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | What a Day to Fly!! |
Jack,
Great pic!
Speaking of the Lafayette Escadrille, I have been reading Rickenbacker's
account of his flying adventures there. I was surprised to learn that
they
often flew to 15, 16, 17, even 18,000 ft! Temps were often down to -50!!
What a MAN!
If you need something to do in June, please join us for the West Coast
Pietenpol gathering at Frazier Lake, Ca., on June 4,5. You'd have just
enough time to make it to Brodhead.
Gary
_____________________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 5:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What a Day to Fly!!
Today I did the annual spring Plane swap - flew the RV-4 from Raleigh to
Smith Mountain Lake (94 nm in 36 minutes = 156 knots or 180 mph), and
then
brought the Pietenpol back (94 nm in 1 hour 46 minutes = 53.2 knots or
61
mph) to begin the spring Fly-in season this weekend. I had 79 =B0 F,
perfectly clear skies and 50 miles visibility, with surface winds light
and
variable. Even made 2 nice 3-point landings (one in each airplane). It
just doesn't get any better than this!
Saturday I'll fly the Pietenpol into our monthly EAA Chapter meeting,
then
fly it down to Carthage, NC, for lunch at the Pik 'n' Pig and the
dedication
of a plaque to James McConnell, an early aviator from Carthage who
fought
(and died) in the Lafayette Escadrille in The Great War. I'll keep the
Pietenpol here during most of April and attend a few fly-ins, then get
it
back to Smith Mountain Lake in time for our fly-in there on April 30.
In
May I'm supposed to have it on static dsiplay for the Lynchburg Airshow
which will be a pretty major airshow, complete with the Blue Angels
(http://www.lynchburgairshow.com/) . I don't know what June will bring,
but
then the major event of the year will be flying to Brodhead for the
Pietenpol Reunion, along with that other Wisconsin Fly-in the following
week.
Life is good!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: [Flitzer-Builders] here you go Ivan |
| From: | "Ken_P" <ken.potts1(at)gmail.com> |
Aw Jack, you didn't say 30 calendar days, you said thirty days... And if you really
want to get picky about it we should consider daylight savings time and
that extra hour...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334244#334244
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| Subject: | Re: Jack's Moratorium is Almost Up |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
Today I pulled two cylinders off to get a good look inside of my 1947 engine.
It was removed from a PA-11 back in 1983, pickled and stored. It has only
1300TT and 300SMOH. My IA friend was very excited by what he saw
inside. No apparent corrosion & everything was very tight. We checked a
few tolerances and they were within new specs. I put it back together with a
sound mind about my acquisition. The only question he had for me was if
I wanted to put it back together and see if it would run. I thought we should
wait till we look at everything on it.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Long Fuse, C85
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| Subject: | Re: I announced a while ago....., Dan Helsper's prop-carving |
CD
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
I got my prop carving CD directly from Dan at Brodhead 2009, and I can attest to
the quality of the information presented in it. I haven't carved a prop yet
based on the information, but he makes it look easy enough that anyone who can
build the rest of the airframe should be able to carve a good usable prop.
It is presented in a friendly manner of "this is how I did it", and not "this
is how it HAS TO BE DONE." If you are interested in carving your own prop, this
CD is a worthwhile source of information.
p.s. I'm not a paid spokesman for this product and this statement is purely my
own opinion. Your mileage may vary.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Great, Curt. Always good to see a new Pietenpol with something besides
Chevrolet's inadequate answer to the Volkswagon on its nose.
I had a C85-8F on my Cessna 140 several years ago and liked everything about
it but the generator. It was criminal to lug around a piece of equipment of
that weight that put out so few amps.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F
Today I pulled two cylinders off to get a good look inside of my 1947
engine.
It was removed from a PA-11 back in 1983, pickled and stored. It has only
1300TT and 300SMOH. My IA friend was very excited by what he saw
inside. No apparent corrosion & everything was very tight. We checked a
few tolerances and they were within new specs. I put it back together with
a
sound mind about my acquisition. The only question he had for me was if
I wanted to put it back together and see if it would run. I thought we
should
wait till we look at everything on it.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Long Fuse, C85
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
I guess the moratorium is over!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F
>
>
> Great, Curt. Always good to see a new Pietenpol with something besides
> Chevrolet's inadequate answer to the Volkswagon on its nose.
>
> I had a C85-8F on my Cessna 140 several years ago and liked everything
> about
> it but the generator. It was criminal to lug around a piece of equipment
> of
> that weight that put out so few amps.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:56 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F
>
>
> Today I pulled two cylinders off to get a good look inside of my 1947
> engine.
> It was removed from a PA-11 back in 1983, pickled and stored. It has only
> 1300TT and 300SMOH. My IA friend was very excited by what he saw
> inside. No apparent corrosion & everything was very tight. We checked a
> few tolerances and they were within new specs. I put it back together
> with
> a
> sound mind about my acquisition. The only question he had for me was if
> I wanted to put it back together and see if it would run. I thought we
> should
> wait till we look at everything on it.
>
> Curt Merdan
> Flower Mound, TX
> Long Fuse, C85
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334246#334246
>
>
>
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Jack,
Your self-imposed 30-day moratorium on Corvair bashing appears to be over.
You offered this to me as a symbol of your appreciation for receiving some
tubing for your RV that I had as extra. You again prove yourself to be an
Honorable and Fair Minded Man! (not that that was ever in question)
A couple times you have expressed your reasons for dissatisfaction with the
Corvair Movement...everyone is entitled to an opinion. Let's assume that
Corvair could rise above such prejudice with pure success...just as flying
went from 'dare devil' to pure fun. Being fare-minded, if Corvair powered
a/c, with 5th bearing, could accumulate 1,000,000 hours free of crank
breakage, would you concede that they are a viable engine? I'm hoping you
would say, 'Yes', as any other response would be contrary to proven success.
The point being, it would be possible to get you, and any other like-minded
individual, to change his opinion.
Have you ever had the pleasure of attending a William Wynn Corvair College?
Or meeting him at events like SNF or Oshkosh? Corvair Colleges are free,
two-day events (weekends), held several times per year around the country,
with one coming up soon in your neighborhood! Being a Fair Minded Man, would
you avail yourself the opportunity to see why the Corvair should not be
judged based on misfortunes of a young man's ill-fated date?
Just wondering...
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 4:32 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F
Great, Curt. Always good to see a new Pietenpol with something besides
Chevrolet's inadequate answer to the Volkswagon on its nose.
I had a C85-8F on my Cessna 140 several years ago and liked everything about
it but the generator. It was criminal to lug around a piece of equipment of
that weight that put out so few amps.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F
Today I pulled two cylinders off to get a good look inside of my 1947
engine.
It was removed from a PA-11 back in 1983, pickled and stored. It has only
1300TT and 300SMOH. My IA friend was very excited by what he saw
inside. No apparent corrosion & everything was very tight. We checked a
few tolerances and they were within new specs. I put it back together with
a
sound mind about my acquisition. The only question he had for me was if
I wanted to put it back together and see if it would run. I thought we
should
wait till we look at everything on it.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Long Fuse, C85
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334246#334246
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: What a Day to Fly!! |
Yes it is Jack., but don't get too close to the sun or your wax wings will melt.
I am heading to sun n fun next Saturday with a couple of Big Piets for a week.
Cheers, Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 8:15:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What a Day to Fly!!
Today I did the annual spring Plane swap - flew the RV-4 from Raleigh to
Smith Mountain Lake (94 nm in 36 minutes = 156 knots or 180 mph), and then
brought the Pietenpol back (94 nm in 1 hour 46 minutes = 53.2 knots or 61
mph) to begin the spring Fly-in season this weekend. I had 79 F,
perfectly clear skies and 50 miles visibility, with surface winds light and
variable. Even made 2 nice 3-point landings (one in each airplane). It
just doesn't get any better than this!
Saturday I'll fly the Pietenpol into our monthly EAA Chapter meeting, then
fly it down to Carthage, NC, for lunch at the Pik 'n' Pig and the dedication
of a plaque to James McConnell, an early aviator from Carthage who fought
(and died) in the Lafayette Escadrille in The Great War. I'll keep the
Pietenpol here during most of April and attend a few fly-ins, then get it
back to Smith Mountain Lake in time for our fly-in there on April 30. In
May I'm supposed to have it on static dsiplay for the Lynchburg Airshow
which will be a pretty major airshow, complete with the Blue Angels
(http://www.lynchburgairshow.com/) . I don't know what June will bring, but
then the major event of the year will be flying to Brodhead for the
Pietenpol Reunion, along with that other Wisconsin Fly-in the following
week.
Life is good!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Unsafe at any Altitude |
Yep, I've bitten my tongue for 30 days without seriously disparaging the
Corvair as a psuedo aircraft engine.
I couldn't help but think about Corvairs yesterday as I flew my Pietenpol
over the hills and forests of the Piedmont of Virginia and North Carolina.
All I could think of was "Where would I be able to put it down if my
crankshaft broke?" Fortunately, I was flying behind a Continental.
As I've said before, if I lived in the midwest with thousands of potential
forced landing sites continuously available, I would probably put an auto
engine in my Pietenpol, but it would be a Model A Ford.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F
I guess the moratorium is over!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F
>
>
> Great, Curt. Always good to see a new Pietenpol with something besides
> Chevrolet's inadequate answer to the Volkswagon on its nose.
>
> I had a C85-8F on my Cessna 140 several years ago and liked everything
> about
> it but the generator. It was criminal to lug around a piece of equipment
> of
> that weight that put out so few amps.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:56 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: C85-8F
>
>
> Today I pulled two cylinders off to get a good look inside of my 1947
> engine.
> It was removed from a PA-11 back in 1983, pickled and stored. It has only
> 1300TT and 300SMOH. My IA friend was very excited by what he saw
> inside. No apparent corrosion & everything was very tight. We checked a
> few tolerances and they were within new specs. I put it back together
> with
> a
> sound mind about my acquisition. The only question he had for me was if
> I wanted to put it back together and see if it would run. I thought we
> should
> wait till we look at everything on it.
>
> Curt Merdan
> Flower Mound, TX
> Long Fuse, C85
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334246#334246
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass fuel tanks and ethenol |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
I have a glass Piet wing tank that I will sell cheep, It started to leak when the
new ,better fuel was forced upon the people. Went to Aluminum, no problems,
when welded right.
Pieti Lowell
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Before I take carb off of engine,..I have an A65-8 w/Stromberg carb. I ran the
engine yesterday (runs good), but the throttle cable works backward. Is there
a way to rig the valve in said carb to work in the opposite direction?... my other
option would be to tear fabric off side of aircraft in order to put a different
throttle cable in...hate to do that. thx in advance..
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| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: carb question |
I don't know if it would be considered good practice or not, but is it
possible to add linkage at the engine end of the throttle cable that
would reverse the direction of travel at the carb?
Kip Gardner
On Mar 18, 2011, at 9:39 AM, TriScout wrote:
>
>
> Before I take carb off of engine,..I have an A65-8 w/Stromberg carb.
> I ran the engine yesterday (runs good), but the throttle cable works
> backward. Is there a way to rig the valve in said carb to work in
> the opposite direction?... my other option would be to tear fabric
> off side of aircraft in order to put a different throttle cable
> in...hate to do that. thx in advance..
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334273#334273
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude |
Gary,
My moratorium on Corvair-Bashing was offered as a tribute to you and your
generosity for sending me the tubing (for which I'll happily repay you at
Brodhead with the beer and/or single malt scotch of your choice).
I do consider myself to be a reasonable man, and I admire people who are
willing to reconsider their views periodically, when there appears to be
some doubt about their original position (not that this condition applies in
this case). If and when Corvairs reach the level of reliability where they
can routinely operate for 1500 hours or more without requiring a major
overhaul, then I'll consider them a somewhat adequate aircraft engine.
However, expecting me to attend a Corvair College and suddenly become a
convert (what kind of kool-aid do they serve at these functions?) is like
expecting me to attend a RuPaul concert and suddenly come out of the closet
as a homosexual. It's just not very likely.
If a Corvair College were offered across the street from my house and my
grass didn't need mowing, I would probably attend.
I have not had the pleasure of meeting William Wynne, although I've seen him
and Grace at Brodhead and at Oshkosh. If nothing else, I admire his taste
in women. I believe him to truly be an expert on Corvair engines, and think
he knows what he's talking about. What amazes me are the people who hear
him say "You need to put the 5th bearing in" and choose to ignore this
advice.
The Corvair controversy will go on forever, just like the douglas fir /
sitka spruce discussion, or latex paint or any of a number of discussions.
This is one of the beauties of this airplane design, and this discussion
group.
I've just always believed that there is nothing so important, or so sacred,
that it can't be made fun of.
So carry on, Gary. Let me know when you are going to fly your Corvair
powered Pietenpol to Brodhead.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 8:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair
Jack,
Your self-imposed 30-day moratorium on Corvair bashing appears to be over.
You offered this to me as a symbol of your appreciation for receiving some
tubing for your RV that I had as extra. You again prove yourself to be an
Honorable and Fair Minded Man! (not that that was ever in question)
A couple times you have expressed your reasons for dissatisfaction with the
Corvair Movement...everyone is entitled to an opinion. Let's assume that
Corvair could rise above such prejudice with pure success...just as flying
went from 'dare devil' to pure fun. Being fare-minded, if Corvair powered
a/c, with 5th bearing, could accumulate 1,000,000 hours free of crank
breakage, would you concede that they are a viable engine? I'm hoping you
would say, 'Yes', as any other response would be contrary to proven success.
The point being, it would be possible to get you, and any other like-minded
individual, to change his opinion.
Have you ever had the pleasure of attending a William Wynn Corvair College?
Or meeting him at events like SNF or Oshkosh? Corvair Colleges are free,
two-day events (weekends), held several times per year around the country,
with one coming up soon in your neighborhood! Being a Fair Minded Man, would
you avail yourself the opportunity to see why the Corvair should not be
judged based on misfortunes of a young man's ill-fated date?
Just wondering...
Gary
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude |
>However, expecting me to attend a Corvair College and suddenly become a
>convert (what kind of kool-aid do they serve at these functions?) is like
>expecting me to attend a RuPaul concert and suddenly come out of the closet
>as a homosexual. It's just not very likely.
And there's no reason for you to come out of the closet. That should remain a
personal issue.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude |
I knew Karen was a cover! She is too perfect!
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude
>However, expecting me to attend a Corvair College and suddenly become a
>convert (what kind of kool-aid do they serve at these functions?) is like
>expecting me to attend a RuPaul concert and suddenly come out of the closet
>as a homosexual. It's just not very likely.
And there's no reason for you to come out of the closet. That should remain
a personal issue.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Here is a reply from William Wynn concerning existing Corvair powered a/c:
"The high number that comes to mind is Tom Browns Pietenpol, finished in
1980 that has been flying since without any engine disassembly. It has about
1,450 hours. Part of what is impressive about this is the fact it predates
ARP rod bolts, stainless valves, 5th bearings, nitrided cranks and it may
very well have cast pistons.
The engines output in traditional Bernard Pietenpol form has a power output
of 70HP or so. Tom told me that he did not change the points in the
distributor for the first 19 years, (although he did clean them up from time
to time)
Engine built to our current stands are not only more powerful, but they
should last at least as long even at higher output per cubic inch. This
engine was assembled with care and operated intelligently. The timing was
set with a light; it was never allowed to detonate; it has an appropriate
prop that doesn't lug the engine. His conversion is a clone of the one
Bernard pioneered and debugged. He was not experimenting with new and
unknown ideas. All food for thought.."
1450 hours is pretty darn close to 1500. Be prepared to ".consider them a
somewhat adequate aircraft engine.".
BTW.Jack, this year at Brodhead, you really should ask WW for some cool aid.
It's good stuff!
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 7:00 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude
Gary,
My moratorium on Corvair-Bashing was offered as a tribute to you and your
generosity for sending me the tubing (for which I'll happily repay you at
Brodhead with the beer and/or single malt scotch of your choice).
I do consider myself to be a reasonable man, and I admire people who are
willing to reconsider their views periodically, when there appears to be
some doubt about their original position (not that this condition applies in
this case). If and when Corvairs reach the level of reliability where they
can routinely operate for 1500 hours or more without requiring a major
overhaul, then I'll consider them a somewhat adequate aircraft engine.
However, expecting me to attend a Corvair College and suddenly become a
convert (what kind of kool-aid do they serve at these functions?) is like
expecting me to attend a RuPaul concert and suddenly come out of the closet
as a homosexual. It's just not very likely.
If a Corvair College were offered across the street from my house and my
grass didn't need mowing, I would probably attend.
I have not had the pleasure of meeting William Wynne, although I've seen him
and Grace at Brodhead and at Oshkosh. If nothing else, I admire his taste
in women. I believe him to truly be an expert on Corvair engines, and think
he knows what he's talking about. What amazes me are the people who hear
him say "You need to put the 5th bearing in" and choose to ignore this
advice.
The Corvair controversy will go on forever, just like the douglas fir /
sitka spruce discussion, or latex paint or any of a number of discussions.
This is one of the beauties of this airplane design, and this discussion
group.
I've just always believed that there is nothing so important, or so sacred,
that it can't be made fun of.
So carry on, Gary. Let me know when you are going to fly your Corvair
powered Pietenpol to Brodhead.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 8:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair
Jack,
Your self-imposed 30-day moratorium on Corvair bashing appears to be over.
You offered this to me as a symbol of your appreciation for receiving some
tubing for your RV that I had as extra. You again prove yourself to be an
Honorable and Fair Minded Man! (not that that was ever in question)
A couple times you have expressed your reasons for dissatisfaction with the
Corvair Movement...everyone is entitled to an opinion. Let's assume that
Corvair could rise above such prejudice with pure success...just as flying
went from 'dare devil' to pure fun. Being fare-minded, if Corvair powered
a/c, with 5th bearing, could accumulate 1,000,000 hours free of crank
breakage, would you concede that they are a viable engine? I'm hoping you
would say, 'Yes', as any other response would be contrary to proven success.
The point being, it would be possible to get you, and any other like-minded
individual, to change his opinion.
Have you ever had the pleasure of attending a William Wynn Corvair College?
Or meeting him at events like SNF or Oshkosh? Corvair Colleges are free,
two-day events (weekends), held several times per year around the country,
with one coming up soon in your neighborhood! Being a Fair Minded Man, would
you avail yourself the opportunity to see why the Corvair should not be
judged based on misfortunes of a young man's ill-fated date?
Just wondering...
Gary
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Great Plains VW conversion |
Although I flew for four years behind an 1835 cc Great Plains kit engine I
was never very comfortable with it turning 3,100 rpm at cruise and knowing
that if I got
the prop too slow on final (wood core, carbon fiber encapsulated) it didn't
have enough inertia to keep the engine running, especially with the high c
ompression
of that engine so you had to use vigilance in that regard. Still a good e
ngine overall (if built up correctly according to the book by Steve Bennett
) but just never felt
comfortable in my gut flying behind it.
Sure was a blast to fly the Corby Starlet though. Like a little fighter j
et with a prop and you couldn't ask for better fuel economy. Premium auto
fuel, 120 mph cruise
at 3.5 gph.
Roundtrip from Cleveland to Chicago was 3 hours each way (6 hours by car) a
nd only cost $50 roundtrip at the time. (3 years ago)
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
One squirrel does not a stew make
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:27 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair
Here is a reply from William Wynn concerning existing Corvair powered a/c:
"The high number that comes to mind is Tom Browns Pietenpol, finished in
1980 that has been flying since without any engine disassembly. It has about
1,450 hours. Part of what is impressive about this is the fact it predates
ARP rod bolts, stainless valves, 5th bearings, nitrided cranks and it may
very well have cast pistons.
The engines output in traditional Bernard Pietenpol form has a power output
of 70HP or so. Tom told me that he did not change the points in the
distributor for the first 19 years, (although he did clean them up from time
to time)
Engine built to our current stands are not only more powerful, but they
should last at least as long even at higher output per cubic inch. This
engine was assembled with care and operated intelligently. The timing was
set with a light; it was never allowed to detonate; it has an appropriate
prop that doesn't lug the engine. His conversion is a clone of the one
Bernard pioneered and debugged. He was not experimenting with new and
unknown ideas. All food for thought.."
1450 hours is pretty darn close to 1500. Be prepared to ".consider them a
somewhat adequate aircraft engine.".
BTW.Jack, this year at Brodhead, you really should ask WW for some cool aid.
It's good stuff!
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 7:00 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude
Gary,
My moratorium on Corvair-Bashing was offered as a tribute to you and your
generosity for sending me the tubing (for which I'll happily repay you at
Brodhead with the beer and/or single malt scotch of your choice).
I do consider myself to be a reasonable man, and I admire people who are
willing to reconsider their views periodically, when there appears to be
some doubt about their original position (not that this condition applies in
this case). If and when Corvairs reach the level of reliability where they
can routinely operate for 1500 hours or more without requiring a major
overhaul, then I'll consider them a somewhat adequate aircraft engine.
However, expecting me to attend a Corvair College and suddenly become a
convert (what kind of kool-aid do they serve at these functions?) is like
expecting me to attend a RuPaul concert and suddenly come out of the closet
as a homosexual. It's just not very likely.
If a Corvair College were offered across the street from my house and my
grass didn't need mowing, I would probably attend.
I have not had the pleasure of meeting William Wynne, although I've seen him
and Grace at Brodhead and at Oshkosh. If nothing else, I admire his taste
in women. I believe him to truly be an expert on Corvair engines, and think
he knows what he's talking about. What amazes me are the people who hear
him say "You need to put the 5th bearing in" and choose to ignore this
advice.
The Corvair controversy will go on forever, just like the douglas fir /
sitka spruce discussion, or latex paint or any of a number of discussions.
This is one of the beauties of this airplane design, and this discussion
group.
I've just always believed that there is nothing so important, or so sacred,
that it can't be made fun of.
So carry on, Gary. Let me know when you are going to fly your Corvair
powered Pietenpol to Brodhead.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 8:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair
Jack,
Your self-imposed 30-day moratorium on Corvair bashing appears to be over.
You offered this to me as a symbol of your appreciation for receiving some
tubing for your RV that I had as extra. You again prove yourself to be an
Honorable and Fair Minded Man! (not that that was ever in question)
A couple times you have expressed your reasons for dissatisfaction with the
Corvair Movement...everyone is entitled to an opinion. Let's assume that
Corvair could rise above such prejudice with pure success...just as flying
went from 'dare devil' to pure fun. Being fare-minded, if Corvair powered
a/c, with 5th bearing, could accumulate 1,000,000 hours free of crank
breakage, would you concede that they are a viable engine? I'm hoping you
would say, 'Yes', as any other response would be contrary to proven success.
The point being, it would be possible to get you, and any other like-minded
individual, to change his opinion.
Have you ever had the pleasure of attending a William Wynn Corvair College?
Or meeting him at events like SNF or Oshkosh? Corvair Colleges are free,
two-day events (weekends), held several times per year around the country,
with one coming up soon in your neighborhood! Being a Fair Minded Man, would
you avail yourself the opportunity to see why the Corvair should not be
judged based on misfortunes of a young man's ill-fated date?
Just wondering...
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Kind of like that spar splice in the plans...
Live and learn.
BC
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
I think, during their famous march, Ethan Allen and Benedict Arnold would
have been happy with a one-squirrel stew.but that's being argumentative.
So..Let us not argue.Let us be fair.How many squirrels does it take to make
a stew? 2? 3? 1,000?
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:58 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair
One squirrel does not a stew make
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:27 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair
Here is a reply from William Wynn concerning existing Corvair powered a/c:
"The high number that comes to mind is Tom Browns Pietenpol, finished in
1980 that has been flying since without any engine disassembly. It has about
1,450 hours. Part of what is impressive about this is the fact it predates
ARP rod bolts, stainless valves, 5th bearings, nitrided cranks and it may
very well have cast pistons.
The engines output in traditional Bernard Pietenpol form has a power output
of 70HP or so. Tom told me that he did not change the points in the
distributor for the first 19 years, (although he did clean them up from time
to time)
Engine built to our current stands are not only more powerful, but they
should last at least as long even at higher output per cubic inch. This
engine was assembled with care and operated intelligently. The timing was
set with a light; it was never allowed to detonate; it has an appropriate
prop that doesn't lug the engine. His conversion is a clone of the one
Bernard pioneered and debugged. He was not experimenting with new and
unknown ideas. All food for thought.."
1450 hours is pretty darn close to 1500. Be prepared to ".consider them a
somewhat adequate aircraft engine.".
BTW.Jack, this year at Brodhead, you really should ask WW for some cool aid.
It's good stuff!
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 7:00 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair - Unsafe at any Altitude
Gary,
My moratorium on Corvair-Bashing was offered as a tribute to you and your
generosity for sending me the tubing (for which I'll happily repay you at
Brodhead with the beer and/or single malt scotch of your choice).
I do consider myself to be a reasonable man, and I admire people who are
willing to reconsider their views periodically, when there appears to be
some doubt about their original position (not that this condition applies in
this case). If and when Corvairs reach the level of reliability where they
can routinely operate for 1500 hours or more without requiring a major
overhaul, then I'll consider them a somewhat adequate aircraft engine.
However, expecting me to attend a Corvair College and suddenly become a
convert (what kind of kool-aid do they serve at these functions?) is like
expecting me to attend a RuPaul concert and suddenly come out of the closet
as a homosexual. It's just not very likely.
If a Corvair College were offered across the street from my house and my
grass didn't need mowing, I would probably attend.
I have not had the pleasure of meeting William Wynne, although I've seen him
and Grace at Brodhead and at Oshkosh. If nothing else, I admire his taste
in women. I believe him to truly be an expert on Corvair engines, and think
he knows what he's talking about. What amazes me are the people who hear
him say "You need to put the 5th bearing in" and choose to ignore this
advice.
The Corvair controversy will go on forever, just like the douglas fir /
sitka spruce discussion, or latex paint or any of a number of discussions.
This is one of the beauties of this airplane design, and this discussion
group.
I've just always believed that there is nothing so important, or so sacred,
that it can't be made fun of.
So carry on, Gary. Let me know when you are going to fly your Corvair
powered Pietenpol to Brodhead.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 8:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair
Jack,
Your self-imposed 30-day moratorium on Corvair bashing appears to be over.
You offered this to me as a symbol of your appreciation for receiving some
tubing for your RV that I had as extra. You again prove yourself to be an
Honorable and Fair Minded Man! (not that that was ever in question)
A couple times you have expressed your reasons for dissatisfaction with the
Corvair Movement...everyone is entitled to an opinion. Let's assume that
Corvair could rise above such prejudice with pure success...just as flying
went from 'dare devil' to pure fun. Being fare-minded, if Corvair powered
a/c, with 5th bearing, could accumulate 1,000,000 hours free of crank
breakage, would you concede that they are a viable engine? I'm hoping you
would say, 'Yes', as any other response would be contrary to proven success.
The point being, it would be possible to get you, and any other like-minded
individual, to change his opinion.
Have you ever had the pleasure of attending a William Wynn Corvair College?
Or meeting him at events like SNF or Oshkosh? Corvair Colleges are free,
two-day events (weekends), held several times per year around the country,
with one coming up soon in your neighborhood! Being a Fair Minded Man, would
you avail yourself the opportunity to see why the Corvair should not be
judged based on misfortunes of a young man's ill-fated date?
Just wondering...
Gary
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Un/Subscription,
Browse, Chat, FAQ,
more:
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Web Forums!
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http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> So.Let us not argueLet us be fairHow many squirrels does it take to make a stew?
2? 3? 1,000?
>
> Gary
My guess would be... 1500. [Laughing]
--------
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Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Depends on how many are eating the stew, or drinking the Kool-Aid.
For myself, if making a stew to serve 4 people, I've always figured on about
4 or 5 squirrels per person. Of course, you can substitute chicken but that
defeats the purpose of Squirrel Stew, which is to give you a reason to get
rid of squirrels.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair
I think, during their famous march, Ethan Allen and Benedict Arnold would
have been happy with a one-squirrel stew.but that's being argumentative.
So..Let us not argue.Let us be fair.How many squirrels does it take to make
a stew? 2? 3? 1,000?
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:58 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair
One squirrel does not a stew make
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Nuthin' there, Mark
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 2:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair
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Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> Nuthin' there, Mark
Aww crap... you must be using the email list as an email list... ha! I think it
shows on the web.
--------
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
I couldn't see it either....thought you were speechless.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair
pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> Nuthin' there, Mark
Aww crap... you must be using the email list as an email list... ha! I
think it shows on the web.
--------
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Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: carb question |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Can you rotate the carb 180 degrees? The lever would change sides and reverse operation.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
I don't know about other's experiences but in my 13 years of flying behind
my zero-timed A-65 Continental I have had to do MANY things
to keep it healthy but it has never skipped a beat or even coughed once....
.thank God BUT the bottom line is that over the years I have had
to replaced warped exhaust valves, grind out of round exhaust gas valve se
ats, replace worn piston rings, and just last year had to hone all
four cylinders and replace all of my rings with new Chromoly rings to the t
une of $600. (I originally had Chromolly rings during my MOH too).
I've had to keep up with making sure the timing is correct and do normal ma
intenance like oil and screen changes/ cleanings, replace the foam/oil
air filters, repair a cracked exhaust pipe with a new weld, re-torqe the pr
op as recommended with the manufacturers recommendations.
I have had to remove the prop hub assembly and bead blast it, zinc chromate
it, apply Continental Gold to it then clear coat it because it was startin
g
to rust.
All this to say that I only have 500 HOURS on that engine too so unless eve
ryone else just has better luck with Continentals that I do, there's no way
I could ever imagine any of these little jewels running to 1500 hours witho
ut needing some care and attention. That's just my personal experience-
your mileage may vary.
Mike C.
PS-but dollar for dollar I would much rather put my money on a Continental
than into a Corvair which from what I'm hearing doesn't save you any real
money over a Continental and in some cases costs more to do a top-notch ove
rhaul with in the end.
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| From: | TGSTONE236(at)aol.com |
THE STROMBERG THROTTLE LEVER ACCORDING TO STROMBERG SITTING IN PLANE IS
LOCATED
ON THE RIGHT SIDE WHEN THE LEVER IS PUSHED FORWARD IT IS FULL THROTTLE.
THAT IS THEIR
RECOMMENDATION.
TED STONE
CORVAIR PIET BUILDER
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
really? Well that is weird... I can see it just fine in the web thread.
Nothing important... just the kool-aid guy saying "Oh Yeah!"
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
I've got about $3,000 in mine + another $1,000 for an upcoming 5th bearing.
But, aside from the money, can you imagine the sense of excitement I had
when my Corvair fired up the first time?
'course, if it quits and drops me into the trees, it's going to take a D9 to
pull my foot out of my a__....
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continentals
I don't know about other's experiences but in my 13 years of flying behind
my zero-timed A-65 Continental I have had to do MANY things
to keep it healthy but it has never skipped a beat or even coughed
once...thank God BUT the bottom line is that over the years I have had
to replaced warped exhaust valves, grind out of round exhaust gas valve
seats, replace worn piston rings, and just last year had to hone all
four cylinders and replace all of my rings with new Chromoly rings to the
tune of $600. (I originally had Chromolly rings during my MOH too).
I've had to keep up with making sure the timing is correct and do normal
maintenance like oil and screen changes/ cleanings, replace the foam/oil
air filters, repair a cracked exhaust pipe with a new weld, re-torqe the
prop as recommended with the manufacturers recommendations.
I have had to remove the prop hub assembly and bead blast it, zinc chromate
it, apply Continental Gold to it then clear coat it because it was starting
to rust.
All this to say that I only have 500 HOURS on that engine too so unless
everyone else just has better luck with Continentals that I do, there's no
way
I could ever imagine any of these little jewels running to 1500 hours
without needing some care and attention. That's just my personal
experience-
your mileage may vary.
Mike C.
PS-but dollar for dollar I would much rather put my money on a Continental
than into a Corvair which from what I'm hearing doesn't save you any real
money over a Continental and in some cases costs more to do a top-notch
overhaul with in the end.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Sorry I missed that! That wasn't the kool-aid guy....that was me.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair
really? Well that is weird... I can see it just fine in the web thread.
Nothing important... just the kool-aid guy saying "Oh Yeah!"
--------
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Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
That IS weird. The image of the Kool-Aid guy came through fine on the Forum.
But a couple of days ago, Gary's post about Ivan and the Flitzer List didn't have
any image attached, but the message referred to a photo.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t229
And Jack's post about What a Day to Fly had a file attached that wouldn't open
(winmail.dat), yet Gary was able to view it.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t230
??????
BC
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Jack makes a good point about......... |
William Wynne's taste in women. And Grace is VERY nice and TAILWHEEL pil
ot who owns a Luscombe with a.........CONTINETAL engine
in it.....just sayin'. And she does AEROBATICS in it too !
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 3:23 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair
>
>
>I couldn't see it either....thought you were speechless.
>
>Gary
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:00 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair
>
>
>pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
>> Nuthin' there, Mark
>
>
>Aww crap... you must be using the email list as an email list... ha! I
>think it shows on the web.
>
>--------
>Mark Chouinard
>Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334311#334311
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Continentals |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Mike I had about the same experience as you with my Luscombe A-65. I kept a spare
cylinder and piston ready to install under my bed! I put 1200 hours on it with
several jugs pulled over time. Do you have inter-cylinder baffles on your
Piet?
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair
That IS weird. The image of the Kool-Aid guy came through fine on the Forum.
But a couple of days ago, Gary's post about Ivan and the Flitzer List didn't
have any image attached, but the message referred to a photo.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t229
And Jack's post about What a Day to Fly had a file attached that wouldn't
open (winmail.dat), yet Gary was able to view it.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t230
??????
BC
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Bill Church wrote:
> And Jack's post about What a Day to Fly had a file attached that wouldn't open
(winmail.dat), yet Gary was able to view it.
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t230
>
Yep, same here... I couldn't see that one either.
--------
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Lest anyone think that all I do is defend the Corvair Movement from the
Kracken=85
A couple weeks ago I was visiting Chris Tracy and noticed that he had
used a
half-round bit to rabbit out the back side of his leading edges. He made
matching male pieces which he located on the front of the ribs,
perfectly
locating the leading edges, providing extra glue surface, lightening the
piece of wood (Poplar!!), and generally impressing the heck out of me.
At
the time, I thought that was way too much unnecessary work, but my
leading
edges went together nicely and I landed on an easy method to do
something
similar=85
Mine have a square rabbit, 3/8=94 x =BD=94, that has a corresponding
locator glued
to the ribs. I don=92t know how Chris located his pieces, but mine are
done
with one long piece, epoxied to all the ribs at once, then cut out one
by
one with a back saw (that=92s what I have been doing today, in between
counter
attacks on the Kracken). Oh=85did I say=85my leading edges are Poplar,
too=85
Gary Boothe
Go Corvair
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jack makes a good point about......... |
I thought Grace had a Taylorcraft.
Darrel Jones
On 3/18/2011 1:02 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
wrote:
> William Wynne's taste in women. And Grace is VERY nice and
> TAILWHEEL pilot who owns a Luscombe with a.........CONTINETAL engine
> in it.....just sayin'. And she does AEROBATICS in it too !
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
> >list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
> >Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 3:23 PM
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> >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair
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> >
> >I couldn't see it either....thought you were speechless.
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> >Gary
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> >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
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> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair
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> >pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> >> Nuthin' there, Mark
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> >Aww crap... you must be using the email list as an email list... ha! I
> >think it shows on the web.
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> >Mark Chouinard
> >Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Leading Edge |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Nicely done, Gary! I like how it positively locates the leading edge material,
and looks like it's fairly easy to do.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | why Pietenpol used auto engines |
Bernard used auto engines because he was a Ford Auto Mechanic at the time h
e was developing the Pietenpol Scout and Aircamper and he could get the eng
ines cheaply if not for free. It was cost that drove Pietenpol to use au
to engines and replacement parts were readily available and cheap during th
e Great Depression.
Also because Bernard was very frugal. Same reasons he used the Corvair.
It was cheap. Simple as that.
And don't even get me started on Rotax engines. They are not only VERY ex
pensive but the TBO isn't very good either and to overhaul them is pricey.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
I think you're right---- she has/ or had a Taylorcraft....which also sports a Continental
:)
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | and as long as we are talking money |
This whole new line of Sport Pilot LSA airplanes intended to make Sport Pil
ot flying more affordable is the BIGGEST crock of horse crap that ever
hit the aviation world. Only the RICH can afford these things and Cessn
a can't even seem to keep their new version of the 150, The Skycatcher in
the air. You can have one for only $112,250.
And for the price of that 81 hp Rotax engine ($19,470) you could just add a
nother $7,000 and buy this FOUR SEAT Cherokee that I IFR Certified
with a 150 hp aircraft engine in it with intercom, no damage history and so
me nice looking wheel pants.
No wonder people are building Pietenpols. Viva La Pietenpol Air Camper
!
Mike C.
And heck, you can even buy a decent Cessna 150 for about $15,000 out there
with an 0-200 engine.
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: carb question |
I really don't know whether this would even be possible, but how about just
turning the carb around 180 degrees -- that would make the throttle lever
move to low power when you pull the lever back and to high power with the
lever pushed forward. Would that work?
----- Original Message -----
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: carb question
>
> Before I take carb off of engine,..I have an A65-8 w/Stromberg carb. I ran
> the engine yesterday (runs good), but the throttle cable works backward.
> Is there a way to rig the valve in said carb to work in the opposite
> direction?... my other option would be to tear fabric off side of aircraft
> in order to put a different throttle cable in...hate to do that. thx in
> advance..
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jack makes a good point about......... |
I believe you'll find that Grace has a Taylorcraft.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 4:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jack makes a good point about.........
William Wynne's taste in women. And Grace is VERY nice and
TAILWHEEL pilot who owns a Luscombe with a...CONTINETAL engine
in it...just sayin'. And she does AEROBATICS in it too !
>-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 3:23 PM
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>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair
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>
>I couldn't see it either....thought you were speechless.
>
>Gary
>
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>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
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>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair
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>pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
>> Nuthin' there, Mark
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>Aww crap... you must be using the email list as an email list... ha!
I
>think it shows on the web.
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>Mark Chouinard
>Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Project for sale |
| From: | "olflyr45" <wyliejohnson45(at)gmail.com> |
Pietenpol fully assembled and has been flying. For sale less firewall forward.
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| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
| From: | "Chad Hill" <crhill74(at)yahoo.com> |
How much and do you have photos?
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Continentals |
Jerry, my corvair has baffles between the cylinders. Are you going to sun n fun?
Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 4:09:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Continentals
Mike I had about the same experience as you with my Luscombe A-65. I kept a
spare cylinder and piston ready to install under my bed! I put 1200 hours on it
with several jugs pulled over time. Do you have inter-cylinder baffles on your
Piet?
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Continentals |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Gardiner I would love to go. I have been having health problems(heart) and I am
going to stay close to home for a while. I sure would like to see your Piet again.
Maybe Evergreen???
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334372#334372
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| Subject: | Re: carb question |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
I think I have a fix. The previous owner said to loosen screw on throttle arm (at
carb), pop it off and position it on top, then twist or bend as needed. I did
just that and it seems to work just fine...same travel each direction. Who
would've thought it was that simple. Thanks for your inputs.
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Continentals |
Sorry to hear about your problem Jerry. What kind of strip do you have in Baker
Fl? I may decide to stop over on my way back. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 9:52:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Continentals
Gardiner I would love to go. I have been having health problems(heart) and I am
going to stay close to home for a while. I sure would like to see your Piet
again. Maybe Evergreen???
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: ETHENOL IN NC |
Another good resource is Street Rod Association.
The Minnesota Street Rod Association publishes a good list of gas stations
that sell non-oxygenated fuel.
http://www.msra.com/NonOxygenatedFuel/NonOxyMarch2011.pdf
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ETHENOL IN NC
>
>
> Here's a handy website that lists gas stations that DO NOT have ethanol
> mixed with their gas.
> http://pure-gas.org/
> The lists are updated by the users. If you know of a station that offers
> ethanol-free gas, you can add it to the list. Conversely, if you know of a
> station that no longer offers ethanol-free gas, you can take them off the
> list. Just click on the state or province you want to know about, and get
> a list of stations that serve ethanol-free gas.
> I just checked for NC, since that state was specifically mentioned, and
> Wilmington has 4 stations listed, and Winston-Salem only has 2.
> NC is one of the many states that DO NOT require the pumps to be labeled
> if ethanol is added to the gas, according to this website:
> http://www.fuel-testers.com/state_guide_ethanol_laws.html
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334221#334221
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: and as long as we are talking money2 |
like allways=C2- your all right mike tanks good we have pietenpol and yes
viva los pietenpol paraciempre seyou jorge from hanford
--- On Fri, 3/18/11, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] wrote:
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.g
ov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: and as long as we are talking money
Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 2:21 PM
This whole new line of Sport Pilot LSA airplanes intended to make Sport Pil
ot flying more affordable is the BIGGEST crock of horse crap that ever
hit the aviation world.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Only the RICH can afford th
ese things and Cessna can=99t even seem to keep their new version of
the 150, The Skycatcher in
the air.=C2-=C2-=C2- You can have one for only $112,250.
=C2-
And for the price of that 81 hp Rotax engine ($19,470) you could just add a
nother $7,000 and buy this FOUR SEAT Cherokee that I IFR Certified
with a 150 hp aircraft engine in it with intercom, no damage history and so
me nice looking wheel pants.
=C2-
No wonder people are building Pietenpols.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Viva La P
ietenpol Air Camper !
=C2-
Mike C.
=C2-
And heck, you can even buy a decent Cessna 150 for about $15,000 out there
with an 0-200 engine.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Can someone tell me how these get mounted?
Gary Boothe
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | and as long as we are talking money2 |
So GOOD to see you back on the Pietenpol list Jorge ! I missed seeing your posts.
You are so right------we have a great group of guys both
building, flying, and passionate about Pietenpols. Viva La Pietenpol !
Mike C.
don't disconcert the masses son....
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
You make your own U bracket that has holes in the
arms that the pipe fittings go through.
Clif
Can someone tell me how these get mounted?
Gary Boothe
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| From: | "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au> |
Or you could buy the one for it
Carson
Description Part No. Price Buy
GASCOLATOR BRACKET 10371 10371 $17.90 ($18.06AUD)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/graphics/10371.jpg
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Gary,
If this is an ACS model, they sell a nifty stainless steel bracket for it.
I used theirs and it works great.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Fri, Mar 18, 2011 11:04 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gascolator
Can someone tell me how these get mounted?
Gary Boothe
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Interesting Plan Differences |
While fabricating my rudder bar (4130) and rudder bar post I noticed some
differences between the 34 Hoopman plans and the 32 Flying and Glider plans.
Specifically on page 27 drawing of the ship's control systems; no aileron
control horn, 3/4 connecting bar for the sticks instead of 1/2, rudder
pedals mounted to the firewall and no safety strap over the torque tube to
name a few. I'm sticking with the Hoopman plans mostly.
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Continentals |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Gardner,
I have 1280 feet X 40 feet wide. The house faces South. There are power lines across
the road on the South end. Look close and you can see my Piet in the hangar.
30.8754n86.7836w
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334406#334406
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Did most everyone mount as per plans? With the long fuselage, did you mount
per short fuselage plans? Did anyone adjust fore and aft slightly for
correct fit? The two different plans call for the centerline of the bar to
be between 3" and 3-1/2" above the floorboard. Anyone remember their
mounting height? Higher better? Any input is appreciated!
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Jack
You can not raise the rudder bar much higher because it will interfere with
the bar connecting the control sticks. I moved mine fore and aft a bit for
better fit for me. Then I took it out and put in rudder pedals for a better
fit. Now I am considering the bar again.
As for you other post, follow the 1934 plans. The F&G plans will work but
the the 1934 plans are for the "Improved Air Camper". I figure its just
part of the improvements and he must of had some good reason to change.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 9:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Bar Post
Did most everyone mount as per plans? With the long fuselage, did you mount
per short fuselage plans? Did anyone adjust fore and aft slightly for
correct fit? The two different plans call for the centerline of the bar to
be between 3" and 3-1/2" above the floorboard. Anyone remember their
mounting height? Higher better? Any input is appreciated!
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Stromberg Carb |
| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Bill for the link.
I haven't broken the carb down to check the jet or venturi size, but this
particular one does have the mixture control like the NA-S3A1 has.
I do like the simplicity of the Aeroinjector and the fact that it's cheaper than
overhauling what I have.
Once I disassemble the carb to inspect all the parts to see if and what
is serviceable, I'll decide if I'll use the Stromberg or an alternate.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
On 3/18/2011 9:00 PM, Gboothe5 wrote:
>
> Can someone tell me how these get mounted?
>
> Gary Boothe
>
Boy, I should have waited until someone who knew answered first.
Darrel
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| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
On 3/18/2011 9:00 PM, Gboothe5 wrote:
>
> Can someone tell me how these get mounted?
>
> Gary Boothe
>
Gary,
Probably to a bulkhead fitting through the firewall below the level of
the carburetor. Take a look at AC 43.13 or Tony Bingillis's books. If
you don't have them let me know and I'll take a run out to the hangar
and look.
Darrel
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Leading Edge |
Let me ask a question of some of you guys. I asked Mike off line but he
must be out of town or something. I didn't get an answer. I have been
using Weldwood glue for my ribs etc but want to use T88 to assemble the
wings. How much should I buy to assemble the two wing panels, the
center section, and put the side (1/8 plywood) and turtle deck on the
fuselage. Any thoughts? Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 4:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading Edge
Lest anyone think that all I do is defend the Corvair Movement from
the Kracken.
A couple weeks ago I was visiting Chris Tracy and noticed that he had
used a half-round bit to rabbit out the back side of his leading edges.
He made matching male pieces which he located on the front of the ribs,
perfectly locating the leading edges, providing extra glue surface,
lightening the piece of wood (Poplar!!), and generally impressing the
heck out of me. At the time, I thought that was way too much unnecessary
work, but my leading edges went together nicely and I landed on an easy
method to do something similar.
Mine have a square rabbit, 3/8" x =BD", that has a corresponding
locator glued to the ribs. I don't know how Chris located his pieces,
but mine are done with one long piece, epoxied to all the ribs at once,
then cut out one by one with a back saw (that's what I have been doing
today, in between counter attacks on the Kracken). Oh.did I say.my
leading edges are Poplar, too.
Gary Boothe
Go Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Leading Edge |
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Buy just enough, and no more.
Seriously, it is an unanswerable question, since being epoxy, you must
mix
the components, guessing how much you=92ll need for each task. If you
guess
too little, you=92ll have to make more. Depending on how well (or how
poorly)
you guess, you may need one quart kit, or two, or three.
Buy a kit, see how far it goes and buy more before you run out. T-88 is
not
very expensive.
To quote Mr. Pietenpol =93The question of where to draw the line at the
exposition of directions for the building of a ship like this is
difficult
to settle. Some want just a lot of dimensions repeated in the text that
are
a thousand times more eloquent on the drawings, and some would even have
you
tell them how to hold the hammer. And there are a few who, after having
been told how to hold a hammer in the building a ship, would ask you how
many swipes to clout the nails on the head=85=94 (F&GM, page 18)
Good luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading Edge
Let me ask a question of some of you guys. I asked Mike off line but he
must be out of town or something. I didn't get an answer. I have been
using Weldwood glue for my ribs etc but want to use T88 to assemble the
wings. How much should I buy to assemble the two wing panels, the
center
section, and put the side (1/8 plywood) and turtle deck on the fuselage.
Any thoughts? Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5 <mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 4:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading Edge
Lest anyone think that all I do is defend the Corvair Movement from the
Kracken=85
A couple weeks ago I was visiting Chris Tracy and noticed that he had
used a
half-round bit to rabbit out the back side of his leading edges. He made
matching male pieces which he located on the front of the ribs,
perfectly
locating the leading edges, providing extra glue surface, lightening the
piece of wood (Poplar!!), and generally impressing the heck out of me.
At
the time, I thought that was way too much unnecessary work, but my
leading
edges went together nicely and I landed on an easy method to do
something
similar=85
Mine have a square rabbit, 3/8=94 x =BD=94, that has a corresponding
locator glued
to the ribs. I don=92t know how Chris located his pieces, but mine are
done
with one long piece, epoxied to all the ribs at once, then cut out one
by
one with a back saw (that=92s what I have been doing today, in between
counter
attacks on the Kracken). Oh=85did I say=85my leading edges are Poplar,
too=85
Gary Boothe
Go Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Unsafe at any Altitude |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Thank goodness it's over. I've missed you, Jack.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334480#334480
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Corvair Oil Filler Location |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
I've purchased an after market part from William Wynne to ease the task of getting
oil to the new 5th bearing. I've lost the stock oil filler port in the process.
I'd like to know how those of you who have a similar setup have handled
it, please.
Thanks,
Kevin
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334481#334481
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Unsafe at any Altitude |
I didn't miss his Corvair rampages. He has some pretty good ideas,
otherwise!
----- Original Message -----
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 11:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Unsafe at any Altitude
>
>
> Thank goodness it's over. I've missed you, Jack.
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334480#334480
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
| From: | "heavyliftpilot" <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
Hi, would love to see some pics. what year was it built? What are you asking?
thanks, james
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334495#334495
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Leading Edge |
Gary, is the leading edge locator 3/8 X 1/2? It looks larger in the
picture.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 4:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading Edge
Lest anyone think that all I do is defend the Corvair Movement from
the Kracken.
A couple weeks ago I was visiting Chris Tracy and noticed that he had
used a half-round bit to rabbit out the back side of his leading edges.
He made matching male pieces which he located on the front of the ribs,
perfectly locating the leading edges, providing extra glue surface,
lightening the piece of wood (Poplar!!), and generally impressing the
heck out of me. At the time, I thought that was way too much unnecessary
work, but my leading edges went together nicely and I landed on an easy
method to do something similar.
Mine have a square rabbit, 3/8" x =BD", that has a corresponding
locator glued to the ribs. I don't know how Chris located his pieces,
but mine are done with one long piece, epoxied to all the ribs at once,
then cut out one by one with a back saw (that's what I have been doing
today, in between counter attacks on the Kracken). Oh.did I say.my
leading edges are Poplar, too.
Gary Boothe
Go Corvair
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Leading Edge |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair Oil Filler Location |
Kevin:
Most usually the oil filler spout is welded on to the valve cover.
http://www.flycorvair.com/44721.jpg
http://www.flycorvair.com/47597.jpg
also on ocasion on top cover.
http://www.n56ml.com/corvair/00052818.jpg
also need to add valve cover breather tube
http://www.flycorvair.com/44934.jpg
http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar1009ragd.jpg
Michael in Maine
----- Original Message -----
>
> I've purchased an after market part from William Wynne to ease the task of
getting oil to the new 5th bearing. I've lost the stock oil filler port in
the process. I'd like to know how those of you who have a similar setup
have handled it, please.
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
| From: | "olflyr45" <wyliejohnson45(at)gmail.com> |
It was completed in 2002. Has about 200 hrs on it. Asking $5,000.
Will post some pictures as soon as I figure out how to get them from my camera
to the forum.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334524#334524
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
Might be just as easy to post them on some picture web page (shutterbug or something
like that) then just send a link to the list. Then we can just click on
the link and go directly to where you've posted them.
Just a thought.... (I like easy!)
-----Original Message-----
>From: olflyr45 <wyliejohnson45(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 20, 2011 10:49 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale
>
>
>It was completed in 2002. Has about 200 hrs on it. Asking $5,000.
>Will post some pictures as soon as I figure out how to get them from my camera
to the forum.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334524#334524
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Jerry's Field |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Tim,
I am proud of the setup. I wish it was a little longer. An acquaintance from the
Houston area(TS07) stopped by with his Piper Arrow 200. My field is marginal
for that airplane. It stopped OK but He was near full of gas and used 3/4 of
the runway getting airborne. My brother's Skyranger with the 100 HP Rotax works
great.
I hope my Pietenpol will do half as good as it does. A friend has a nice J-3 and
it also does great.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jerry's Field |
Jerry, what town are you near?I can't seem to find you. Gardiner. Also do you have
av gas?
--- On Sun, 3/20/11, Jerry Dotson wrote:
> From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jerry's Field
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 1:46 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "Jerry Dotson"
>
> Tim,
>
> I am proud of the setup. I wish it was a little longer. An
> acquaintance from the Houston area(TS07) stopped by with his
> Piper Arrow 200. My field is marginal for that
> airplane. It stopped OK but He was near full of gas
> and used 3/4 of the runway getting airborne. My brother's
> Skyranger with the 100 HP Rotax works great.
> I hope my Pietenpol will do half as good as it does. A
> friend has a nice J-3 and it also does great.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334533#334533
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/paul_arrow_135.jpg
>
>
>
>
> Email Forum -
> FAQ,
> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> List Contribution Web Site -
> -Matt
> Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jerry's Field |
I found you Jerry but it is a little out of the way for this trip. Are you going
to sun n fun?
--- On Sun, 3/20/11, Jerry Dotson wrote:
> From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jerry's Field
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 1:46 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "Jerry Dotson"
>
> Tim,
>
> I am proud of the setup. I wish it was a little longer. An
> acquaintance from the Houston area(TS07) stopped by with his
> Piper Arrow 200. My field is marginal for that
> airplane. It stopped OK but He was near full of gas
> and used 3/4 of the runway getting airborne. My brother's
> Skyranger with the 100 HP Rotax works great.
> I hope my Pietenpol will do half as good as it does. A
> friend has a nice J-3 and it also does great.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334533#334533
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/paul_arrow_135.jpg
>
>
>
>
> Email Forum -
> FAQ,
> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> List Contribution Web Site -
> -Matt
> Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
I'm going to fly over after work on Monday night. I'm staying with a
friend in his motor home, so I'll be in the campground too. I figured
you guys will be parked in the Auto conversion area, but I'll try to
park as close as they'll let me (A-65)
Ben
On 3/13/2011 8:49 AM, airlion wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion
>
> Ben, we are planning to leave on March 26. That should give us time to poke on
> down there. Gardiner
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ben Charvet<bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 9:59:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: sun n fun
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet
>
> If the weather cooperates, I'll be flying in Tuesday morning, all the
> way from Titusville, Fl (About 70 miles from SNF) When is the Georgia
> crowd arriving?
>
> Ben Charvet
> NX866BC
>
> On 3/12/2011 6:15 PM, airlion wrote:
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion
>>
>> H ey ya'll, are any other Pietenpols flying into Sun N Fun. We have at least
3
>> from west Georgia. Speak up and where from. Cheers, Gardiner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Jerry's Field |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Gardiner I won't make Sun N Fun this year. Crestview is the nearest Av Gas. Wish
you could come by but I understand it is a long way out of your way. Maybe we
can meet up at the Evergreen fly-in this fall.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334549#334549
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| Subject: | Re: Leading Edge |
| From: | "womenfly2" <keriannprice(at)hotmail.com> |
Why not just use the way it is on the plans? Glue and a wood screw to attach it
to each rib, works great minimum time to assemble.
Alignment is only one part, now you have two and more gluing.
Keep it simple.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334578#334578
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Here is how I tackled this rather "simple" question. I had the tail assembl
ed on the plane.- I ran string from the rudder up to the rudder bar which
has not been mounted, and was able to move the rudder through it's max ran
ge of motion, (hitting the elevators). From here, I moved the rudder bar fo
re and aft to position it so just before max travel at the rudder, the bar
would hit the pass. seat supports. (Built in travel stops.) These stops wil
l get some aluminum to protect the wood.
When fabricating the control sticks, I moved the connecting rod between the
sticks up some. This puts the connecting rod higher towards the top of the
"V" cutouts in the pass. seat back and bottom, which allows more stick tra
vel for the ailerons. Once I am able to fit the wings and ailerons, I will
limit this travel as needed with blocks on the floor under the aileron horn
on the torque tube. This will allowing full travel of the ailerons, but th
e connecting rod will not hit the "V" cut outs.- (As it sits now, the ail
eron horn on the torque tube hits the floor prior to the connecting rod hit
ting the "V" cutouts.)- With this added height on the connecting rod, I w
as able to raise my rudder bar to fit nicely into the area of my foot which
feels best to me...not down around my heel, but not up at the toe either.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Bar Post |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
My aileron stops are really my legs. I put stops on the floor(wood blocks).
They work until I get in!
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334600#334600
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder Bar Post |
Copy that Jerry! legs seem to be the limiting factor on aileron travel.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
--- On Mon, 3/21/11, Jerry Dotson wrote:
From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder Bar Post
Date: Monday, March 21, 2011, 11:03 AM
et>
My aileron stops are really my legs. I put stops on the floor(wood blocks).
They work until I get in!
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building- NX510JD- July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334600#334600
le, List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Thanks for the comments Michael! Another questions, on your site I noticed
a picture of your rudder bar with tubing of some sort coming out of each
end. What are those?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 7:58 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Bar Post
Here is how I tackled this rather "simple" question. I had the tail
assembled on the plane. I ran string from the rudder up to the rudder bar
which has not been mounted, and was able to move the rudder through it's max
range of motion, (hitting the elevators). From here, I moved the rudder bar
fore and aft to position it so just before max travel at the rudder, the bar
would hit the pass. seat supports. (Built in travel stops.) These stops will
get some aluminum to protect the wood.
When fabricating the control sticks, I moved the connecting rod between the
sticks up some. This puts the connecting rod higher towards the top of the
"V" cutouts in the pass. seat back and bottom, which allows more stick
travel for the ailerons. Once I am able to fit the wings and ailerons, I
will limit this travel as needed with blocks on the floor under the aileron
horn on the torque tube. This will allowing full travel of the ailerons, but
the connecting rod will not hit the "V" cut outs. (As it sits now, the
aileron horn on the torque tube hits the floor prior to the connecting rod
hitting the "V" cutouts.) With this added height on the connecting rod, I
was able to raise my rudder bar to fit nicely into the area of my foot which
feels best to me...not down around my heel, but not up at the toe either.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
Ben
Our EAA Chapter always group camps near the East end of Roads Alpha, Bravo
or Charlie . Look for the EAA CHAPTER 976 signs and our Black trailer. We
have 18 going this year, so looks like we'er in for a really fun time. We
are flying down Saturday the 26th. Looks like rain on Sunday for us so we
want to beat it out. Harold and I are not flying the Big Piets, but are
flying our J3 Cubs and will be in the Cub Convoy of over 100 cubs on Monday.
Frank and Bruce and flying their Big Piet's and Gardiner is flying his Piet.
Hope to see you there.
Barry Davis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: sun n fun
I'm going to fly over after work on Monday night. I'm staying with a friend
in his motor home, so I'll be in the campground too. I figured you guys
will be parked in the Auto conversion area, but I'll try to park as close
as they'll let me (A-65)
Ben
On 3/13/2011 8:49 AM, airlion wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion
>
> Ben, we are planning to leave on March 26. That should give us time to
> poke on down there. Gardiner
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ben Charvet<bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 9:59:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: sun n fun
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben
> --> Charvet
>
> If the weather cooperates, I'll be flying in Tuesday morning, all the
> way from Titusville, Fl (About 70 miles from SNF) When is the Georgia
> crowd arriving?
>
> Ben Charvet
> NX866BC
>
> On 3/12/2011 6:15 PM, airlion wrote:
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
>> --> airlion
>>
>> H ey ya'll, are any other Pietenpols flying into Sun N Fun. We have
>> at least 3 from west Georgia. Speak up and where from. Cheers,
>> Gardiner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Amsafetyc(at)gmail.com" <amsafetyc(at)gmail.com> |
Meetings going as well as can be expected. Working through the issues as
they come its a tough job but some body has to do it
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | The Last Original |
Last week, someone brought up the Last Original and Mr. Pietenpol's possible
thought processes for using the Corvair engine. This is a related post by
William Wynne, this morning on the Corvair List:
Friends,
Some more information about the long term durability of our favorite engine:
One of the best known Corvair powered planes in the world is "The last
Original", N899H, which was the last Aircamper built by Bernard Pietenpol.
It was finished in the mid 1970s. It is significant because there is a fairy
good argument that since it was the last of about 20 he built, it is the
most distilled and refined of them all.
While most of the historically important aircraft in the world are
collecting dust in museums, This aircraft can still be seen in its natural
element. It is owned by Bill Knight and based in Brodhead Wisconsin. A few
years ago Grace and Tom Brown took it out for a flight, one of Graces
favorite days in aviation. Get a look at the second photo down here:
http://www.flycorvair.com/piet.html
Bill knight has spent the last year committed to a full restoration of the
plane so that it can continue to be flown and appreciated. Part of this is
sending the engine to Mark Petz at Falcon to be completely overhauled
internally, but remain externally identical to the last season Bernard flew
it. The engine is a 1967 95HP, almost completely stock including cast
pistons and original single ignition.
It has always been fitted with a prop which wisely allowed it to turn up a
static of more than 2800.
I would guess its output to be about 75 or 80 HP.
The engine arrived at Marks place with 800 hours on it. It had never had any
work done on it Mark said that it had a mint condition crankshaft and many
of the internal parts looked like new.
The cylinders we not worn, but they had suffered some corrosion pitting on 2
cylinders. This is most likely the result of the planes sitting for a long
time with the exhaust uncorked. The combustion chambers were filled with
lead in giant gray flakes, like most planes that run on 100LL continuously.
Either way, Bill said the engine still ran great when I spoke with him on
the phone. His only goal was to take advantage of advances in Corvair
building gained in the last 35 years.
Mark is a night owl, and I spoke with him between 1 and 2 am last week while
he was working in his shop. He had a lot of interesting things to say about
the details inside the engine. He has been working with engines long enough
to be able to see things that most other people would miss while
disassembling the last engine built by the man widely considered to be the
patron saint of automotive engines, affordable homebuilding and the concept
that aviation is not a spectator sport, even if you are a young man living
in rural America during the depression.
Mark and I made a pilgrimage to Bernard's home town, Cherry Grove
Minnesota, last summer.
You can get a look at the story at this link:
http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar0810.html
(It is the last third of the link, under the heading "The long trip home.")
The engine is a real cherished artifact of aviation history to me, and an
very good example of how lasting Bernard's efforts have been. He has been
gone for more than 25 years, yet people as far away as Australia are
building his design today. (Welcome to Phil Ridgway down under) Going into
the engine and removing bolts that were last tightened by his hand decades
ago is a chance to look at what Bernard was thinking as he worked on his
Corvair engine in his small shop, the exact same thing that many builders on
this list did last night.
It is 6:30 am now. I got up to let the dog out an hour ago. At this time one
week from today, I will be drinking coffee and getting started at the first
Day of Sun N Fun 2011. It will be my 23rd consecutive year there. It is kind
of the kick off of the year in homebuilding. For us, the season will not
close until we are headed home after Corvair College #21, which will be held
in Barnwell SC in November. It already has the feeling of a great year, but
I really like the idea that it is an adventure that is undefined, unwritten,
unknown at this point. For all the things that we all have to do in our
lives, I savor the idea that what the year in aviation hold for each of us
is an unwritten story, something completely up to each of us.
I wanted to say that I thought that Jon Gougar's words on his experience in
risk management were some of most moving I have read in a long time. In a
world where we are bombarded with information overload, I guy who 95% of
the people on this list are yet to meet, sits at a keyboard and types a few
sparing sentences that let the rest of us get a look at the real burdens a
man of responsibility bears in looking after people in his care. I write
about risk management, and I do care about people, but distance and the fact
I can't control what people choose to do affords me emotional armor plating
compared to men like Jon who has to deal with consequences directly. The
difference is a mile wide.
Jon and others in his position have my profound respect.
Thank you.
William Wynne
Gary Boothe
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I believe you may be referring to the purge lines I used to purge the inside of
the bar while welding it. Not necessary if the bar is 4130.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Father's Day Weekend piet fly-in |
Hello Guys and Gals, Just trying to get a head count for the Ohio Pietenpol
fly-in here at OH71 in Centerburg, Ohio.- It will be on Saturday June 18
th.- If anyone wants to tent camp they are welcome to.- I need to start
the planning so I can get food, drinks, port-o-john etc lined up.- It wi
ll be a-pot luck style afair, with a donation jar to help cover the cost
of hot dogs, port-o-john etc.- Please let me know if you would like to at
tend.-
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Pietenpol wooden landing gear |
| From: | "Larry V" <larryvangerven(at)hotmail.com> |
Hello I was wondering if any one could tell me the dimensions of the spruce stock
for wooden landing gear on the pietenpol .
Plans in the original book show lengths and angles , thickness but I cannot find
the width .
Thanks Larry
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol wooden landing gear |
Larry
2.5 x 1 inch spruce. It's in the front view drawing.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry V
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol wooden landing gear
-->
Hello I was wondering if any one could tell me the dimensions of the spruce
stock for wooden landing gear on the pietenpol .
Plans in the original book show lengths and angles , thickness but I cannot
find the width .
Thanks Larry
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol wooden landing gear;dimention2 |
hi in the flying and glider manual 1932, pg,17, fig6a say the width is 1''b
y 2-1/2'', i hope you found these information help full,and you cand finish
ed your landingear seyou jorge from hanford.
--- On Tue, 3/22/11, Larry V wrote:
From: Larry V <larryvangerven(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol wooden landing gear
Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 7:07 PM
>
Hello I was wondering if any one could tell me the dimensions of the spruce
stock for wooden landing gear on the pietenpol .
Plans in the original book show lengths and angles , thickness but I cannot
find the width .
Thanks Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol wooden landing gear |
| From: | "Larry V" <larryvangerven(at)hotmail.com> |
Chris , Thank you for the reply
Larry
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| Subject: | Landing Gear differences |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Hello to all on this forum. I am a new guy, still in the research stage but I am
looking with great interest in the Pietenpol. Part of it is the great look of
the open cockpit as well as the smiles on the faces I see in the Youtube videos.
But another big reason is the sense of camaraderie that I read in these posts.
I see people that genuinely enjoy seeing new people get excited about the
community. Very nice.
Here is my question. I am looking at the different landing gear setups, and I can't
choose between the wood gear with the long axle, and the Cub-style metal
gear (I know it pre-dates the Cub, but I just couldn't figure out a better way
to describe it). The paint scheme and design I want to use lends itself to either,
but I wonder about drag penalty. Yes, I know, if I am concerned about drag
on this airplane, I am probably looking in the wrong decade of design. But
I am talking about relative drag between the two styles-
1. Has anyone gone from one style to the other and can give me some idea of the
speed difference. A lot? Some? Not much difference at all?
2. Was one any easier than the other to build? I am not a welder, but have down
a fair amount of woodworking. I am more comfortable in wood, but could figure
out someone to help me with the welding and building of the metal gear.
I plan (in my mind, at least) to do a Corvair engine with as much HP as I can reasonably
muster (~100 HP). I figure if it worked for Mr. Pietenpol, it is good
enough for me. I am not really hear to discuss the merits of the engine, just
the questions about landing gear, so I will save the fight over FWF for another
day.
Thanks in advance for the information.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
Terry, I would say the "Cub" style gear is less drag if you used 6 inch air
craft style wheels.- If you used open spoke wheels I think the drag would
increase.- I can't confirm any of this, the frontal area of the landing
gears are probably close.-I would say as far as speed is concerned it all
comes down to how the airplane is rigged, c/g, prop weight etc.- Just go
with which ever you like better.- As far as welding, there is a fair amo
unt of welding on any "all wood" design, not just in the landing gear, just
a requirement in joining steel togeather.- It is not that hard to learn,
find a EAA how to seminar and practice, it gets to be addicting and it is
fun when it "clicks and you get the feel of the torch.- Its is your choic
e so choose wisely.
-
Shad
--- On Wed, 3/23/11, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear differences
Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 11:15 AM
ail.com>
Hello to all on this forum. I am a new guy, still in the research stage but
I am looking with great interest in the Pietenpol. Part of it is the great
look of the open cockpit as well as the smiles on the faces I see in the Y
outube videos. But another big reason is the sense of camaraderie that I re
ad in these posts. I see people that genuinely enjoy seeing new people get
excited about the community. Very nice.
Here is my question. I am looking at the different landing gear setups, and
I can't choose between the wood gear with the long axle, and the- Cub-st
yle metal gear (I know it pre-dates the Cub, but I just couldn't figure out
a better way to describe it). The paint scheme and design I want to use le
nds itself to either, but I wonder about drag penalty. Yes, I know, if I am
concerned about drag on this airplane, I am probably looking in the wrong
decade of design. But I am talking about relative drag between the two styl
es-
1. Has anyone gone from one style to the other and can give me some idea of
the speed difference. A lot? Some? Not much difference at all?
2. Was one any easier than the other to build? I am not a welder, but have
down a fair amount of woodworking. I am more comfortable in wood, but could
figure out someone to help me with the welding and building of the metal g
ear.
I plan (in my mind, at least) to do a Corvair engine with as much HP as I c
an reasonably muster (~100 HP). I figure if it worked for Mr. Pietenpol, it
is good enough for me. I am not really hear to discuss the merits of the e
ngine, just the questions about landing gear, so I will save the fight over
FWF for another day.
Thanks in advance for the information.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Hello Terry
You are making a great choice with the Piet, as far as the gear type I think
the choice for many is more emotion driven. I think most go for the Jenny
style gear because it looks like a Jenny gear. There is no answer to the
question of which is better (like the corvair vs. continental debate). It
comes down to the look you want and as you mentioned whether you like wood
work or metal work more. The cub style gear is a significant amount of metal
work although there is also a fair amount with the Jenny gear.
I did the cub gear with 8x6 tires. If I was going to build another Piet
(which many have done) I would do a 'best of both worlds' design staying
with the cub gear but modified to use the big 21" spoke wheels as is used
with the Jenny style with covers as per Dom Emch:
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/095309L.html
rick
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:15 AM, jarheadpilot82
wrote:
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
> Hello to all on this forum. I am a new guy, still in the research stage but
> I am looking with great interest in the Pietenpol. Part of it is the great
> look of the open cockpit as well as the smiles on the faces I see in the
> Youtube videos. But another big reason is the sense of camaraderie that I
> read in these posts. I see people that genuinely enjoy seeing new people get
> excited about the community. Very nice.
>
> Here is my question. I am looking at the different landing gear setups, and
> I can't choose between the wood gear with the long axle, and the Cub-style
> metal gear (I know it pre-dates the Cub, but I just couldn't figure out a
> better way to describe it). The paint scheme and design I want to use lends
> itself to either, but I wonder about drag penalty. Yes, I know, if I am
> concerned about drag on this airplane, I am probably looking in the wrong
> decade of design. But I am talking about relative drag between the two
> styles-
>
> 1. Has anyone gone from one style to the other and can give me some idea of
> the speed difference. A lot? Some? Not much difference at all?
>
> 2. Was one any easier than the other to build? I am not a welder, but have
> down a fair amount of woodworking. I am more comfortable in wood, but could
> figure out someone to help me with the welding and building of the metal
> gear.
>
> I plan (in my mind, at least) to do a Corvair engine with as much HP as I
> can reasonably muster (~100 HP). I figure if it worked for Mr. Pietenpol, it
> is good enough for me. I am not really hear to discuss the merits of the
> engine, just the questions about landing gear, so I will save the fight over
> FWF for another day.
>
> Thanks in advance for the information.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334773#334773
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
Terry:
Welcome to the list - I believe you have the list personality pegged
pretty well. Also, it is good you do not want to discuss the merits of
the various engine choices because we NEVER do that here. As to your
question about the landing gear I will leave that to more knowledgeable
members.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X (in the gear stage myself) and using a Corvair with 5th bearing.
>>> "jarheadpilot82" 3/23/2011 10:15 AM >>>
plan (in my mind, at least) to do a Corvair engine with as much HP as I
can reasonably muster (~100 HP). I figure if it worked for Mr. Pietenpol,
it is good enough for me. I am not really hear to discuss the merits of
the engine, just the questions about landing gear, so I will save the
fight over FWF for another day.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Gear differences |
Welcome to the LIST Terry and you're among good company with Ryan Mueller on the
list who is
also a Marine and very active in the Pietenpol community.
Personally I don't thing drag reduction on a Pietenpol is something a builder should
worry about
because the design, no matter how many little details you change still has drag
written all over it.
Shad Bell's words were golden---a lightly built Pietenpol (leave out the heated
seats, radio stacks (if possible)
instruments in both cockpits (what passenger really needs to see any instruments
anyway really ?), the heavy
upholstery and carpeting, the starter/generator/battery (unless needed for your
airspace requirements of course)
and rig the airplane straight and true according to the excellent guidelines in
EAA's Tony Bingelis set of builders
books. (set of four will cost you around $95 but they are worth every cent when
you have questions of any sort
during the building process.)
I say choose the landing gear that LOOKS best to you and built it. To me the
wood gear and wire wheels look
fantastic and there are no toe-in, toe-out or camber issues to worry about so my
airplane tracks straight and true
because of that. When you build the steel-tube landing gear you have to make
sure that your wheels are tracking
true and straight so your axels have to come out just so when going all that gear
welding. There are shims too
I believe you can use if you're using axel stubs to get your tracking true but
just something to think about.
For a wooden airplane there is way more metalworking and welding than I ever imagined.
I had to learn how to weld
and fabricate my own fitting which was very time consuming but little by little
you get better and better in making
parts and getting them to fit right.
You don't need a 100 horsepower engine on a Pietenpol. Many are flying today
(if the airframes are built LIGHT as they
should be) on Model A Fords and 65 hp Continentals with good two-person performance.
Ken Perkin's Pietenpol is Ford
powered and gives rides all weekend long at Brodhead and many to adult sized passengers.
I have a 65 hp Continental and have carried passengers close to 200 pounds but
you can't do that on an 85 F day.....keep
those heavier passengers for more dense air when the temperatures are in the high
60's and low 70's.
Lots depends on how much YOU weigh too as far as how heavy a passenger you can
carry. I weigh 195 lbs. and normally
my weight limit for a passenger (with about 10 gallons of avgas aboard--I hold
17 gals) is around 170 lbs. Normally
I require my passengers to be attractive females as well but that isn't always
mandatory--it's just a personal guidline
that I sometimes follow:)
Welcome to the list and stick with it ! Don't GIVE UP EVER ! The second best
thing you'll do in your life is to build
your own airplane....the best thing will be to COMPLETE it and FLY IT yourself
!
Mike C. in Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I do like the "Jenny-style" landing gear, so I expect that that is what I will
do. I have a paint/design scheme similar to a Jenny or to a a DeHavilland DH-4
in 1920's USMC colors. I think it would look good, but that is just me. The Marine
Corps flew a lot of Close Air Support missions in those biplanes down in
Nicaragua in the 1920's and really developed their tactics that would later serve
them well in WWII. I just would like to do something a little different along
those lines to reflect my Marine Corps heritage as well as honor those Marine
Aviators of the 1920's. So the Jenny-style works for me.
Thanks for the input.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Gear differences |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi Terry - I'll 2nd Mike's welcome. I like your choice of engines. The debate
on this list is lots of fun regarding the pros and cons of powerplant choices.
Jack Phillips (engineer, pilot & Piet builder extraordinaire) LOVES the Corvair.
I can guarantee that he'll give you his unvarnished "support" on that engine
choice.
I'd suggest that you get the books Mike mentioned and go ahead and order the plans.
You can get started on wing ribs cheap & easy & continue your research on
the innumerable options you have building this airplane.
Mike - As a highly attractive, slightly-over-170-pound male, I'm surprised I have
not been offered a ride, yet.
Kevin
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Gear differences |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
>
>
> You don't need a 100 horsepower engine on a Pietenpol. Many are flying
> today (if the airframes are built LIGHT as they
> should be) on Model A Fords and 65 hp Continentals with good two-person
> performance. Ken Perkin's Pietenpol is Ford
> powered and gives rides all weekend long at Brodhead and many to adult
> sized passengers.
>
>
...possibly unless you fly out of a 7000 ft. airport with over 10,000 ft.
summer density altitudes.
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | wire wheels and Jenny gear |
You can just about guarantee that when you take a plane with wire wheels an
d a Jenny type gear to any
fly-in or air show that you'll have more onlookers than and F-22 Raptor.
There will be rows of RV's, and other cool homebuilts but the wire wheels a
nd the Jenny gear are just
SO unique and beauuuutiful. Nothing against the Cub type metal gear on
a Piet--those are wonderful too
just that I prefer the look of the Jenny/wire wheel landing gear.
Here's a nice wire wheel Piet below that was built by Jack Phillips from Ra
leigh, NC.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82
>Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 12:14 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear differences
>
>
>
>I do like the "Jenny-style" landing gear, so I expect that that is what
>I will do. I have a paint/design scheme similar to a Jenny or to a a
>DeHavilland DH-4 in 1920's USMC colors. I think it would look good, but
>that is just me. The Marine Corps flew a lot of Close Air Support
>missions in those biplanes down in Nicaragua in the 1920's and really
>developed their tactics that would later serve them well in WWII. I just
>would like to do something a little different along those lines to
>reflect my Marine Corps heritage as well as honor those Marine Aviators
>of the 1920's. So the Jenny-style works for me.
>
>Thanks for the input.
>
>--------
>Semper Fi,
>
>Terry
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334782#334782
>
>
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
Hi Terry,
Welcome to the list. There's a wealth of knowledge and experience here.
Use it to your advantage!
Are you planning on building the long or short fuselage? Wood or steel?
If wood, what species - sitka spruce, doug fir, poplar? How are you
going to cover it - Stewart System, Stits process, or something else?
What glue are you thinking about using - T-88 or West Systems epoxy?
Are you going to clamp your gussets to your ribs or use brad nails like
Bernard? Will you be building a single or 3 piece wing? Will you
construct your fuel tank out of galvanized sheet metal or aluminium?
Are you going to build your struts out of wood, steel or aluminium? Do
you have a supplier for your turnbuckles? Are you going to cut all your
wood yourself or order it from a supplier like Aircraft Spruce or Wicks?
Are you going to use modern instruments or sift through eBay and the
fly-mart at Oshkosh for antique ones? What prop are you planning on
using - wood, metal, composite? What diameter and pitch? Are you going
to use a tail wheel or a skid? Et cetera, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
What I'm really driving at is this - don't get hung up on the final
product and what it will look like. Eat your elephant one bite at a
time. Buy the plans. Buy the Bingelis books. Buy some T-88 and some
capstrip and build a few ribs to see if you're into it. When you start
covering your plane (a many month process in and of itself), then start
thinking about the color scheme. Don't get down on yourself if you put
the project on the shelf for a while, but know this, if you touch it
everyday and work on it EVERY DAY you will end up with an incredibly
awesome time machine that travels at about 75mph no matter what gear you
decide on.
Good luck! We're rooting for you!
Cheers,
Dan
On 03/23/2011 11:13 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "jarheadpilot82"
>
> I do like the "Jenny-style" landing gear, so I expect that that is what I will
do. I have a paint/design scheme similar to a Jenny or to a a DeHavilland DH-4
in 1920's USMC colors. I think it would look good, but that is just me. The
Marine Corps flew a lot of Close Air Support missions in those biplanes down
in Nicaragua in the 1920's and really developed their tactics that would later
serve them well in WWII. I just would like to do something a little different
along those lines to reflect my Marine Corps heritage as well as honor those
Marine Aviators of the 1920's. So the Jenny-style works for me.
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334782#334782
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: wire wheels and Jenny gear |
On 03/23/2011 11:51 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
wrote:
> Here's a nice wire wheel Piet below that was built by Jack Phillips from
> Raleigh, NC.
Mike is such a modest feller!
Here's a picture of *his* award winning wire-wheel, wood-gear Piet
(attached).
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Gear differences |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Exactly my concern, too. And why building light is especially important.
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Rick Holland wrote:
>
>
>>
>> You don't need a 100 horsepower engine on a Pietenpol. Many are flying
>> today (if the airframes are built LIGHT as they
>> should be) on Model A Fords and 65 hp Continentals with good two-person
>> performance. Ken Perkin's Pietenpol is Ford
>> powered and gives rides all weekend long at Brodhead and many to adult
>> sized passengers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> ...possibly unless you fly out of a 7000 ft. airport with over 10,000 ft.
> summer density altitudes.
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Dan,
Thanks for the response. Actually, thanks to ALL who have responded. You are right-
just do it.
I was a flight instructor in Navy Flight School in Pensacola many years ago, and
we would get a student who would want to drop because they were overwhelmed
by the idea that they could be flying jets off a carrier in as little as a year.
They were just overwhelmed by what was ahead of them. I would tell my students,
"Fly one flight at a time." Just put one foot in front of the other and eventually
you get there. The same applies in building this or any other plane.
One foot in front of the other.
By the way, I just mentioned the paint scheme/design because I find that by planning,
I create a picture in my mind of the end. My picture may change but it
gives me a starting vision. Besides, who wants to fly an ugly airplane, and I
have seen a few of those!
My plans are on order and I am getting ready to send off for materials to start
making some ribs. I will let you know when I get started.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Gear differences |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
... though to be fair, our airport is ONLY at 5000 feet. We rarely
see density altitudes in summer that are much above 9000.
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Ken Bickers wrote:
> Exactly my concern, too. And why building light is especially important.
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Rick Holland wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> You don't need a 100 horsepower engine on a Pietenpol. Many are flying
>>> today (if the airframes are built LIGHT as they
>>> should be) on Model A Fords and 65 hp Continentals with good two-person
>>> performance. Ken Perkin's Pietenpol is Ford
>>> powered and gives rides all weekend long at Brodhead and many to adult
>>> sized passengers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ...possibly unless you fly out of a 7000 ft. airport with over 10,000 ft.
>> summer density altitudes.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rick Holland
>> Castle Rock, Colorado
>>
>> "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Gear differences |
On 03/23/2011 11:33 AM, kevinpurtee wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "kevinpurtee"
>
> Hi Terry - I'll 2nd Mike's welcome. I like your choice of engines. The debate
on this list is lots of fun regarding the pros and cons of powerplant choices.
Jack Phillips (engineer, pilot& Piet builder extraordinaire) LOVES the Corvair.
I can guarantee that he'll give you his unvarnished "support" on that
engine choice.
>
> I'd suggest that you get the books Mike mentioned and go ahead and order the
plans. You can get started on wing ribs cheap& easy& continue your research
on the innumerable options you have building this airplane.
>
> Mike - As a highly attractive, slightly-over-170-pound male, I'm surprised I
have not been offered a ride, yet.
Oh, my! Brodhead is a little under 4 months away! I've had my nose
against the grind stone for so long that I hadn't even noticed.
tick-tock-tick-tock!
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Landing Gear differences |
To add to other's comments=2C the Jenny gear looks great=2C but it is a bit
ch to make. Don't just start it based on written explanations or photos=2C
go to someone who has built one and work through it until you understand i
t completely. The jenny gear DOES make a difference in the fuselage=2C so
decide BEFORE you start building the fuselage. It is also heavy and draggy
. That is not to say that it is too heavy=2C lots of Piets are flying with
it. I understand that people who use the Cub gear are forced to pull thei
r wing aft to make up for the weight difference. It is also very rugged an
d simple. It makes brakes more difficult to add=2C but not impossible.
I don't think the Cub gear is much harder to make. It is lighter and more
streamlined. There are more wheel choices=2C and brakes are easy to add.
The Cub gear looks fine on a Piet=2C especially with wire wheels.
Just a few observations=2C I hope they help. I built my Jenny gear and am
happy to give any help I can. I had to make modificaitons to my fuselage b
ecause I built it before looking too closely at the gear.
Gene Rambo
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear differences
> From: jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com
> Date: Wed=2C 23 Mar 2011 08:15:47 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
tmail.com>
>
> Hello to all on this forum. I am a new guy=2C still in the research stage
but I am looking with great interest in the Pietenpol. Part of it is the g
reat look of the open cockpit as well as the smiles on the faces I see in t
he Youtube videos. But another big reason is the sense of camaraderie that
I read in these posts. I see people that genuinely enjoy seeing new people
get excited about the community. Very nice.
>
> Here is my question. I am looking at the different landing gear setups=2C
and I can't choose between the wood gear with the long axle=2C and the Cub
-style metal gear (I know it pre-dates the Cub=2C but I just couldn't figur
e out a better way to describe it). The paint scheme and design I want to u
se lends itself to either=2C but I wonder about drag penalty. Yes=2C I know
=2C if I am concerned about drag on this airplane=2C I am probably looking
in the wrong decade of design. But I am talking about relative drag between
the two styles-
>
> 1. Has anyone gone from one style to the other and can give me some idea
of the speed difference. A lot? Some? Not much difference at all?
>
> 2. Was one any easier than the other to build? I am not a welder=2C but h
ave down a fair amount of woodworking. I am more comfortable in wood=2C but
could figure out someone to help me with the welding and building of the m
etal gear.
>
> I plan (in my mind=2C at least) to do a Corvair engine with as much HP as
I can reasonably muster (~100 HP). I figure if it worked for Mr. Pietenpol
=2C it is good enough for me. I am not really hear to discuss the merits of
the engine=2C just the questions about landing gear=2C so I will save the
fight over FWF for another day.
>
> Thanks in advance for the information.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi=2C
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334773#334773
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Landing Gear differences |
Jarhead,
Thanks for your service!
Not to be contrary, but I found the building of the Jenny style gear to be a
snap. All wood parts were cut to fit in less than half a day, on a table
saw, which is the only part that troubles most. Like you, I am strong in
woodology, and week in welding. Besides that, I have little to offer to
advise you on which way to go.
Happy building,
Gary Boothe
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 10:59 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear differences
To add to other's comments, the Jenny gear looks great, but it is a bitch to
make. Don't just start it based on written explanations or photos, go to
someone who has built one and work through it until you understand it
completely. The jenny gear DOES make a difference in the fuselage, so
decide BEFORE you start building the fuselage. It is also heavy and draggy.
That is not to say that it is too heavy, lots of Piets are flying with it.
I understand that people who use the Cub gear are forced to pull their wing
aft to make up for the weight difference. It is also very rugged and
simple. It makes brakes more difficult to add, but not impossible.
I don't think the Cub gear is much harder to make. It is lighter and more
streamlined. There are more wheel choices, and brakes are easy to add. The
Cub gear looks fine on a Piet, especially with wire wheels.
Just a few observations, I hope they help. I built my Jenny gear and am
happy to give any help I can. I had to make modificaitons to my fuselage
because I built it before looking too closely at the gear.
Gene Rambo
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear differences
> From: jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com
> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 08:15:47 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Hello to all on this forum. I am a new guy, still in the research stage
but I am looking with great interest in the Pietenpol. Part of it is the
great look of the open cockpit as well as the smiles on the faces I see in
the Youtube videos. But another big reason is the sense of camaraderie that
I read in these posts. I see people that genuinely enjoy seeing new people
get excited about the community. Very nice.
>
> Here is my question. I am looking at the different landing gear setups,
and I can't choose between the wood gear with the long axle, and the
Cub-style metal gear (I know it pre-dates the Cub, but I just couldn't
figure out a better way to describe it). The paint scheme and design I want
to use lends itself to either, but I wonder about drag penalty. Yes, I know,
if I am concerned about drag on this airplane, I am probably looking in the
wrong decade of design. But I am talking about relative drag between the two
styles-
>
> 1. Has anyone gone from one style to the other and can give me some idea
of the speed difference. A lot? Some? Not much difference at all?
>
> 2. Was one any easier than the other to build? I am not a welder, but have
down a fair amount of woodworking. I am more comfortable in wood, but could
figure out someone to help me with the welding and building of the metal
gear.
>
> I plan (in my mind, at least) to do a Corvair engine with as much HP as I
can reasonably muster (~100 HP). I figure if it worked for Mr. Pietenpol, it
is good enough for me. I am not really hear to discuss the merits of the
engine, just the questions about landing gear, so I will save the fight over
FWF for another day.
>
> Thanks in advance for the information.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334773#334773
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Gene,
Thanks for your thoughts. It does go back to my original question. What if any
speed difference is there between the two. In other words, how draggy are the
Jenny style? What kind of mods did you have to make. Beef up the attach points
of the fuselage?
Any idea how much (approximately) the Jenny style weighs over the Cub style?
Thanks again to all who have answered. My intention is to come to Brodhead this
summer. One good way to get motivated, I would think!
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Terry - I'm not sure if anyone's changed their gear back and forth to check on
speed differences. It will truly not matter. It's a slow, draggy airplane no
matter what gear you use, as you mentioned in your original post. As someone
already said, you're going to cruise around 75-80 mph. (Someone will no doubt
pop up with "I cruise at 110." Uh huh.)
A lot of your questions are addressed in the archives. Folks don't mind answering,
but you can sure learn a lot using the search feature. I'm thinking the
weight difference is buried in there somewhere. You also learn a lot of other
stuff as you dig through.
I've read the veteran list members message to many new folks: get your plans, start
on something small (ribs - as you are), come to Brodhead (look forward to
seeing you there!), search the archives, read the Bingelis books, etc. It'll
all come.
Kevin
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Kevin,
Thanks for the advice. I will take your advice. See you at Brodhead as well? That
is a 'fur piece' from Texas.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334816#334816
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
Terry, where are you building your piet? I am in Lagrange ga. and flying to sun
n fun Sat. AM. I also flew draggy planes (AD6)in the Marine Corps out of Miami
Fl. Gardiner Mason.
----- Original Message ----
From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 3:50:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear differences
Kevin,
Thanks for the advice. I will take your advice. See you at Brodhead as well?
That is a 'fur piece' from Texas.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334816#334816
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Terry
You can be the first "Top Gun" Pietenpoler at Brodhead (and the first Piet
with an arresting hook). And you are correct, just one thing at a time,
- just get the plans
- just order some capstrip and plywood (and T-88)
- just build a rib jig
- just build a rib
- just build arresting hook
- etc
- etc
rick
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:37 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
> Dan,
>
> Thanks for the response. Actually, thanks to ALL who have responded. You
> are right- just do it.
>
> I was a flight instructor in Navy Flight School in Pensacola many years
> ago, and we would get a student who would want to drop because they were
> overwhelmed by the idea that they could be flying jets off a carrier in as
> little as a year. They were just overwhelmed by what was ahead of them. I
> would tell my students, "Fly one flight at a time." Just put one foot in
> front of the other and eventually you get there. The same applies in
> building this or any other plane. One foot in front of the other.
>
> By the way, I just mentioned the paint scheme/design because I find that by
> planning, I create a picture in my mind of the end. My picture may change
> but it gives me a starting vision. Besides, who wants to fly an ugly
> airplane, and I have seen a few of those!
>
> My plans are on order and I am getting ready to send off for materials to
> start making some ribs. I will let you know when I get started.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334797#334797
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Dan you forgot to mention the most important decision of all, will I power
it with an 'Unsafe at any Altitude' CORVAIR or not.
rick
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
> Hi Terry,
>
> Welcome to the list. There's a wealth of knowledge and experience here.
> Use it to your advantage!
>
> Are you planning on building the long or short fuselage? Wood or steel?
> If wood, what species - sitka spruce, doug fir, poplar? How are you going
> to cover it - Stewart System, Stits process, or something else? What glue
> are you thinking about using - T-88 or West Systems epoxy? Are you going to
> clamp your gussets to your ribs or use brad nails like Bernard? Will you be
> building a single or 3 piece wing? Will you construct your fuel tank out of
> galvanized sheet metal or aluminium? Are you going to build your struts out
> of wood, steel or aluminium? Do you have a supplier for your turnbuckles?
> Are you going to cut all your wood yourself or order it from a supplier
> like Aircraft Spruce or Wicks? Are you going to use modern instruments or
> sift through eBay and the fly-mart at Oshkosh for antique ones? What prop
> are you planning on using - wood, metal, composite? What diameter and
> pitch? Are you going to use a tail wheel or a skid? Et cetera, ad
> infinitum, ad nauseum.
>
> What I'm really driving at is this - don't get hung up on the final product
> and what it will look like. Eat your elephant one bite at a time. Buy the
> plans. Buy the Bingelis books. Buy some T-88 and some capstrip and build a
> few ribs to see if you're into it. When you start covering your plane (a
> many month process in and of itself), then start thinking about the color
> scheme. Don't get down on yourself if you put the project on the shelf for
> a while, but know this, if you touch it everyday and work on it EVERY DAY
> you will end up with an incredibly awesome time machine that travels at
> about 75mph no matter what gear you decide on.
>
> Good luck! We're rooting for you!
>
> Cheers,
> Dan
>
>
> On 03/23/2011 11:13 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "jarheadpilot82"<
>> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>>
>> I do like the "Jenny-style" landing gear, so I expect that that is what I
>> will do. I have a paint/design scheme similar to a Jenny or to a a
>> DeHavilland DH-4 in 1920's USMC colors. I think it would look good, but that
>> is just me. The Marine Corps flew a lot of Close Air Support missions in
>> those biplanes down in Nicaragua in the 1920's and really developed their
>> tactics that would later serve them well in WWII. I just would like to do
>> something a little different along those lines to reflect my Marine Corps
>> heritage as well as honor those Marine Aviators of the 1920's. So the
>> Jenny-style works for me.
>>
>> Thanks for the input.
>>
>> --------
>> Semper Fi,
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334782#334782
>>
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>>
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>>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
Hello Terry and welcome. About the landing gear...I can only comment on the
wood, straight axle type as that is what I have been working on the last f
ew months.- As someone else mentioned, I had my wood legs made pretty qui
ck as well. I did a lot of planning, drawing and thinking prior to making t
he cuts, but, for me, it was not nearly as bad as I thought it would be.-
It takes time, but it was really not bad at all to handle. Go slow and rea
lly pay attention to the details and it will come out fine.
-
My thoughts on drag...yes the Pietenpol is a drag queen. (Aerodynamically s
peaking...) But to me, that is a great reason to be very aware of it and tr
y to minimize it as best you can...same with weight.- I think you have th
e right idea about having some idea of how the finished product will look i
n your mind. That will help you decide along the way how to build/make ever
ything else look and it will keep you motivated. Having an overall image of
my finished plane has helped keep me interested and focused.
-
I really hope you stay with some type of military/Marine type look!- I am
doing that very thing...mine is Navy inspired.
-
Good luck- sir.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
If I had to make a call on this one, I'd guess that the Jenny style gear would
have slightly LESS drag than the split Cub-style gear.
One of the least aerodynamic shapes is a round cross-section. The cub-style gear
is built entirely of round tube. The Jenny style gear has wood members that
are streamlined, so the main legs of the Jenny gear would induce less drag than
the main legs of the split gear. Now, the Jenny gear does have one big round
tube that runs from one wheel to the other (the axle), and cross brace cables,
while the split gear has the diagonal shock absorber bracing, so neither one
is very good in that area.
Probably if you were to add streamline fairings to the cub style gear, you'd get
the least drag.
In any case, neither one has any great advantage over the other, when it comes
to drag. It's really more a matter of personal preference than anything.
Bill C.
Now, if you were to put a Sonex tailwheel on the back...
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Rick,
I actually flew Hueys in the Fleet (I am a rotorhead), and flew T-34C's in the
Training Command. No tailhook for me, although I did live and fly off the ship
for 14 months.
I am "just" getting my plans next week.
Thanks for the motivational comments from everyone.
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:37 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> Thanks for the response. Actually, thanks to ALL who have responded. You are
right- just do it.
>
> I was a flight instructor in Navy Flight School in Pensacola many years ago,
and we would get a student who would want to drop because they were overwhelmed
by the idea that they could be flying jets off a carrier in as little as a
year. They were just overwhelmed by what was ahead of them. I would tell my students,
"Fly one flight at a time." Just put one foot in front of the other and
eventually you get there. The same applies in building this or any other plane.
One foot in front of the other.
>
> By the way, I just mentioned the paint scheme/design because I find that by
planning, I create a picture in my mind of the end. My picture may change but
it gives me a starting vision. Besides, who wants to fly an ugly airplane, and
I have seen a few of those!
>
> My plans are on order and I am getting ready to send off for materials to start
making some ribs. I will let you know when I get started.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334797#334797 (http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334797#334797)
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Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
| From: | Terry Hand <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I live in Athens. I flew Hueys in the Fleet. I was in 1978-1988.
Terry
On Mar 23, 2011, at 5:04 PM, airlion wrote:
>
> Terry, where are you building your piet? I am in Lagrange ga. and flying to sun
> n fun Sat. AM. I also flew draggy planes (AD6)in the Marine Corps out of Miami
> Fl. Gardiner Mason.
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 3:50:25 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear differences
>
>
>
> Kevin,
> Thanks for the advice. I will take your advice. See you at Brodhead as well?
> That is a 'fur piece' from Texas.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334816#334816
>
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Landing Gear differences |
I have to agree with you Chris. I always planned on doing the Jenny style straight
axle gear, but I was deading the construction. I followed your construstion
log and technique that you posted on you web site (westcoastpiet.com/) and it
was a snap. I didn't run into any problems. I was very happy how easy it was
to fabricate. I am like you, strong on wood construction but weak on welding.
Fortunately I have a friend who helped me alot with the welding.
I have finished up almost all of the airframe construction and will be moving the
airframe out to the hangar for final assembly and covering in a few weeks.
I am currently into the final assembly of my Corvair engine. My block and crank
are ready and my OT-10 cam will arrive from Clarks tomorrow.
I do plan on going to the next Corvair College to pick up some tips before I finish
my engine assembly. Fortunately the next college is close to home.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5
Sent: 3/23/2011 1:53:15 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear differences
Jarhead,
Thanks for your service!
Not to be contrary, but I found the building of the Jenny style gear to be a snap.
All wood parts were cut to fit in less than half a day, on a table saw, which
is the only part that troubles most. Like you, I am strong in woodology, and
week in welding. Besides that, I have little to offer to advise you on which
way to go
Happy building,
Gary Boothe
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 10:59 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear differences
To add to other's comments, the Jenny gear looks great, but it is a bitch to make.
Don't just start it based on written explanations or photos, go to someone
who has built one and work through it until you understand it completely. The
jenny gear DOES make a difference in the fuselage, so decide BEFORE you start
building the fuselage. It is also heavy and draggy. That is not to say that
it is too heavy, lots of Piets are flying with it. I understand that people
who use the Cub gear are forced to pull their wing aft to make up for the weight
difference. It is also very rugged and simple. It makes brakes more difficult
to add, but not impossible.
I don't think the Cub gear is much harder to make. It is lighter and more streamlined.
There are more wheel choices, and brakes are easy to add. The Cub gear
looks fine on a Piet, especially with wire wheels.
Just a few observations, I hope they help. I built my Jenny gear and am happy
to give any help I can. I had to make modificaitons to my fuselage because I
built it before looking too closely at the gear.
Gene Rambo
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear differences
> From: jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com
> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 08:15:47 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Hello to all on this forum. I am a new guy, still in the research stage but I
am looking with great interest in the Pietenpol. Part of it is the great look
of the open cockpit as well as the smiles on the faces I see in the Youtube videos.
But another big reason is the sense of camaraderie that I read in these
posts. I see people that genuinely enjoy seeing new people get excited about
the community. Very nice.
>
> Here is my question. I am looking at the different landing gear setups, and I
can't choose between the wood gear with the long axle, and the Cub-style metal
gear (I know it pre-dates the Cub, but I just couldn't figure out a better way
to describe it). The paint scheme and design I want to use lends itself to
either, but I wonder about drag penalty. Yes, I know, if I am concerned about
drag on this airplane, I am probably looking in the wrong decade of design. But
I am talking about relative drag between the two styles-
>
> 1. Has anyone gone from one style to the other and can give me some idea of the
speed difference. A lot? Some? Not much difference at all?
>
> 2. Was one any easier than the other to build? I am not a welder, but have down
a fair amount of woodworking. I am more comfortable in wood, but could figure
out someone to help me with the welding and building of the metal gear.
>
> I plan (in my mind, at least) to do a Corvair engine with as much HP as I can
reasonably muster (~100 HP). I figure if it worked for Mr. Pietenpol, it is good
enough for me. I am not really hear to discuss the merits of the engine, just
the questions about landing gear, so I will save the fight over FWF for another
day.
>
> Thanks in advance for the information.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334773#334773
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
Terry that is great news, welcome to the building community! If you would
like to get in the Pietenpol Directory, fill out the attached file and
return to me. I will then send you the listing which now has 100 members!
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jarheadpilot82
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 12:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear differences
Dan,
Thanks for the response. Actually, thanks to ALL who have responded. You are
right- just do it.
I was a flight instructor in Navy Flight School in Pensacola many years ago,
and we would get a student who would want to drop because they were
overwhelmed by the idea that they could be flying jets off a carrier in as
little as a year. They were just overwhelmed by what was ahead of them. I
would tell my students, "Fly one flight at a time." Just put one foot in
front of the other and eventually you get there. The same applies in
building this or any other plane. One foot in front of the other.
By the way, I just mentioned the paint scheme/design because I find that by
planning, I create a picture in my mind of the end. My picture may change
but it gives me a starting vision. Besides, who wants to fly an ugly
airplane, and I have seen a few of those!
My plans are on order and I am getting ready to send off for materials to
start making some ribs. I will let you know when I get started.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
On 03/23/2011 04:48 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
> Dan you forgot to mention the most important decision of all, will I
> power it with an 'Unsafe at any Altitude' CORVAIR or not.
Oh, us aircraft engine pushers will wear him down one logical point at a
time. For instance - it costs just as much to make a Corvair airworthy
- with the 5th bearing and all of Wm. Wynne's mods - as it does to buy a
O-235, etc.
;-)
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
----- Original Message ----
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 9:50:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear differences
On 03/23/2011 04:48 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
> Dan you forgot to mention the most important decision of all, will I
> power it with an 'Unsafe at any Altitude' CORVAIR or not.
Oh, us aircraft engine pushers will wear him down one logical point at a time.
For instance - it costs just as much to make a Corvair airworthy - with the 5th
bearing and all of Wm. Wynne's mods - as it does to buy a O-235, etc.
;-)
Dan
-- Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Back to Corvairs...I guess. |
Huh? I built my 'core' for $3,000 (just a hair over). I'll add another
$1,000 for the 5th bearing. Can you get a new 0-235 for $4,000+? One
advantage to the Corvair is that a builder is capable of scrounging for
parts, and doing almost everything himself, that he is comfortable with.
Now, I'm no motorhead, and I'm certainly not a good scrounger, but I know of
those who are both and building for even less. I don't know how this rumor
got started that the engine is so expensive...maybe because WW has said he
will build and engine for $6,000 (probably more now). Yes, the mods can add
to that, but no one is required to use those mods. Stock oil coolers are
just fine for a Piet, and WW supplies shop drawings for those who want to
machine their own stuff.
Heck, you want to be a purist and do as BHP did? Your probably around
$1,200, but you won't get 100 hp.
Gary Boothe
Enjoying the Kool-ade!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear differences
On 03/23/2011 04:48 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
> Dan you forgot to mention the most important decision of all, will I
> power it with an 'Unsafe at any Altitude' CORVAIR or not.
Oh, us aircraft engine pushers will wear him down one logical point at a
time. For instance - it costs just as much to make a Corvair airworthy
- with the 5th bearing and all of Wm. Wynne's mods - as it does to buy a
O-235, etc.
;-)
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Back to Corvairs...I guess. |
You won't get a "new" corvair for $4,000. Maybe a rebuilt one, but
certainly not new. Chevrolet mercifully ended production of that anomoly in
1969. They superceded it with the Vega. A worthy replacement.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 10:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Back to Corvairs...I guess.
Huh? I built my 'core' for $3,000 (just a hair over). I'll add another
$1,000 for the 5th bearing. Can you get a new 0-235 for $4,000+? One
advantage to the Corvair is that a builder is capable of scrounging for
parts, and doing almost everything himself, that he is comfortable with.
Now, I'm no motorhead, and I'm certainly not a good scrounger, but I know of
those who are both and building for even less. I don't know how this rumor
got started that the engine is so expensive...maybe because WW has said he
will build and engine for $6,000 (probably more now). Yes, the mods can add
to that, but no one is required to use those mods. Stock oil coolers are
just fine for a Piet, and WW supplies shop drawings for those who want to
machine their own stuff.
Heck, you want to be a purist and do as BHP did? Your probably around
$1,200, but you won't get 100 hp.
Gary Boothe
Enjoying the Kool-ade!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear differences
On 03/23/2011 04:48 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
> Dan you forgot to mention the most important decision of all, will I
> power it with an 'Unsafe at any Altitude' CORVAIR or not.
Oh, us aircraft engine pushers will wear him down one logical point at a
time. For instance - it costs just as much to make a Corvair airworthy
- with the 5th bearing and all of Wm. Wynne's mods - as it does to buy a
O-235, etc.
;-)
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Hell I knew a guy that found a 100 hr O-200 on craigs list for $200, that's
$6800 cheaper than a stinkin Corvair and that front bearing is bigger than
an full grown hog's leg and blah..blah....blah...........
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
>
> On 03/23/2011 04:48 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
>
>> Dan you forgot to mention the most important decision of all, will I
>> power it with an 'Unsafe at any Altitude' CORVAIR or not.
>>
>
> Oh, us aircraft engine pushers will wear him down one logical point at a
> time. For instance - it costs just as much to make a Corvair airworthy -
> with the 5th bearing and all of Wm. Wynne's mods - as it does to buy a
> O-235, etc.
>
> ;-)
>
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Back to Corvairs...I guess. |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I'll probably have close to $8k in mine, but it is getting the royal treatment.
Nothing super duper or flashy, but I am planning to do all of the things that
are recommended nowadays. So far I've got about $2k in the crank and heads
(work by Moldex and Falcon), and I'm getting ready to send my case, crank, cam,
connecting rods and accessory cover to Roy for 5th bearing, piston and connecting
rod balancing, line boring the case, checking run out on my new cam, etc.
He estimates around $5k of work, which includes some of the items I had planned
to purchase on my own (pistons, cam, etc.)... then I'll still need several
hundred worth of WW components to complete the task. But, I expect to have
a very robust engine that will offer me years of service at minimal expense when
maintenance is required. I mean, once all the heavy work is done, I'll be
visiting Napa and Summit for my service parts, right? Maybe I'll end up being
wrong, but from what I've read I expect that I'm on the right track with this
experimental power plant.
I've already got another suitable case and heads, and I've got leads on several
cores. I plan on riding the Corvair movement right into my next project, whatever
it may be.
Mark, in flat as a pancake Oklahoma. [Laughing]
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Back to Corvairs...I guess. |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Very nice, love that exhaust. Show us a picture when you get your cowling
done.
rick
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Gboothe5 wrote:
> Huh? I built my 'core' for $3,000 (just a hair over). I'll add another
> $1,000 for the 5th bearing. Can you get a new 0-235 for $4,000+? One
> advantage to the Corvair is that a builder is capable of scrounging for
> parts, and doing almost everything himself, that he is comfortable with.
>
> Now, I'm no motorhead, and I'm certainly not a good scrounger, but I know
> of
> those who are both and building for even less. I don't know how this rumor
> got started that the engine is so expensive...maybe because WW has said he
> will build and engine for $6,000 (probably more now). Yes, the mods can add
> to that, but no one is required to use those mods. Stock oil coolers are
> just fine for a Piet, and WW supplies shop drawings for those who want to
> machine their own stuff.
>
> Heck, you want to be a purist and do as BHP did? Your probably around
> $1,200, but you won't get 100 hp.
>
> Gary Boothe
> Enjoying the Kool-ade!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:51 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear differences
>
>
> On 03/23/2011 04:48 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
> > Dan you forgot to mention the most important decision of all, will I
> > power it with an 'Unsafe at any Altitude' CORVAIR or not.
>
> Oh, us aircraft engine pushers will wear him down one logical point at a
> time. For instance - it costs just as much to make a Corvair airworthy
> - with the 5th bearing and all of Wm. Wynne's mods - as it does to buy a
> O-235, etc.
>
> ;-)
>
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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| Subject: | Re: Back to Corvairs...I guess. |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Oh, I forgot to add... I don't give a rip what I spend on my engine. I'm doing
this for the fun and I chose the Corvair for a variety of reasons, not all of
which were based on cost. If I end up spending the same, or even a little more
as another engine, oh well, I'll still be flying.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
I can answer your question on the weight of the Jenny style gear.
The gear on NX18235 weighs exactly 60 lbs. That includes:
1. Ash struts
2. 19" Aluminum rims
3. 3.50 X 19 motorcyle tires
4. 8 gauge stainless steel spokes
5. Axle
6. Spreader bars
7. All metal fittings
8. Bungee cords
9. All bracing cables assemblies
10. Brass grease cups
11. NO brakes
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear differences
>
>
> Gene,
> Thanks for your thoughts. It does go back to my original question. What if
> any speed difference is there between the two. In other words, how draggy
> are the Jenny style? What kind of mods did you have to make. Beef up the
> attach points of the fuselage?
>
> Any idea how much (approximately) the Jenny style weighs over the Cub
> style?
>
> Thanks again to all who have answered. My intention is to come to Brodhead
> this summer. One good way to get motivated, I would think!
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334811#334811
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Back to Corvairs...I guess. |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
She'll sound pretty nice too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjrY-3JYjg0
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
> Very nice, love that exhaust. Show us a picture when you get your cowling
> done.
>
> rick
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Gboothe5 wrote:
>
>> Huh? I built my 'core' for $3,000 (just a hair over). I'll add another
>> $1,000 for the 5th bearing. Can you get a new 0-235 for $4,000+? One
>> advantage to the Corvair is that a builder is capable of scrounging for
>> parts, and doing almost everything himself, that he is comfortable with.
>>
>> Now, I'm no motorhead, and I'm certainly not a good scrounger, but I know
>> of
>> those who are both and building for even less. I don't know how this rumor
>> got started that the engine is so expensive...maybe because WW has said he
>> will build and engine for $6,000 (probably more now). Yes, the mods can
>> add
>> to that, but no one is required to use those mods. Stock oil coolers are
>> just fine for a Piet, and WW supplies shop drawings for those who want to
>> machine their own stuff.
>>
>> Heck, you want to be a purist and do as BHP did? Your probably around
>> $1,200, but you won't get 100 hp.
>>
>> Gary Boothe
>> Enjoying the Kool-ade!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:51 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear differences
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 03/23/2011 04:48 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
>> > Dan you forgot to mention the most important decision of all, will I
>> > power it with an 'Unsafe at any Altitude' CORVAIR or not.
>>
>> Oh, us aircraft engine pushers will wear him down one logical point at a
>> time. For instance - it costs just as much to make a Corvair airworthy
>> - with the 5th bearing and all of Wm. Wynne's mods - as it does to buy a
>> O-235, etc.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> --
>> Dan Yocum
>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Back to Corvairs...I guess. |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Sounds good indeed!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear differences |
Must be one of them metric pilotes.
Clif
(Someone will no doubt pop up with "I cruise at 110." Uh huh.)
> Kevin
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | the Jenny gear attracts more ladies......here is proof |
Dashing pilot/owner/operator Captain Greg Cardinal with new Pietenpol Jenny
Style
landing Gear Fan Club.........Notice all the smiles ?
You just don't see other Piets with the Cub type landing gear having this k
ind of following :)
KIDDDING for all of you with your panties wound too tightly !
I was fortunate enough to fly Ryan Mueller's A-65 Cub gear Piet last summer
at Brodhead and it
was one of the nicest (if not THE nicest) flying Piets I have ever flown.
Mike C.
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Back to Corvairs...I guess. |
On 03/23/2011 09:16 PM, Gboothe5 wrote:
> Huh? I built my 'core' for $3,000 (just a hair over). I'll add another
> $1,000 for the 5th bearing. Can you get a new 0-235 for $4,000+? One
> advantage to the Corvair is that a builder is capable of scrounging for
> parts, and doing almost everything himself, that he is comfortable with.
OK, I'm not going to comment further on this simply 'cause I don't know.
Yes, I've repeated what I've been told - I am simply a dumb mouthpiece
when it comes to the Corvair discussion. If you guys wanna go and use
'em, more power to ya! Good on you! That's the Experimentalist spirit!
Me, I'm going to stick with my aircraft engine because I trust it more.
It lost all compression on one cylinder and still pulled my butt
around the sky for who knows how long on only 3 cylinders.
So, other than pokin' fun at you (CS)^2 guys, I'm not going put any more
useful information in this thread - and that's only because I don't have
any useful information.
Onward,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Back to Corvairs...I guess. |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Reading through this thread (and my previous posts) again this morning and just
wanted to clarify that I wasn't intending to sound snotty, just trying to point
out that while the discussion usually seems to revolve around money, not everyone
makes their decisions based purely on price. Yes, part of the reason I
chose to build and airplane, and part of the reason I chose the Corvair was based
upon economy, but it's not everything, and as I've progressed through my
project I've found that it doesn't make sense to skimp all the time. Being a
new builder, I've not made enough contacts to scrounge effectively, so I'm paying
full price for most of my components, as many of us are. For example... I
didn't feel like going to the lumber yard and sifting through boards so that
I could come to the shop and rip hundreds of feet of strip, I also felt that spruce
was probably better (lighter and stronger) that what I could find around
here. I'm a big guy, so weight was a primary concern. Did I spend 300% more
than it would have cost for me to buy rough cut locally? Maybe 400%? I don't
know, but whatever it was I was glad to avoid that chore.
Anyhow... getting back to the point... which is, cost. When I first chose the
Corvair it was indeed based somewhat on economy, and availability, and simplicity,
and, well... I honestly can't remember what all I was thinking when I got
into this project, but I haven't seen anything yet that has convinced me that
I made a bad engine choice. Has my original assessment in cost changed since
I started this project? It has increased almost double... but it's still just
as educational as it would have been at a lesser price. Maybe more so! I'm
learning that these things not only take longer than expected, they generally
cost more too! Ha ha!
Some might ask... if you aren't trying to skimp, why did you choose a car engine
as opposed to one of the tried and true aviation engines? I suppose that's
a fair question, but my answer would simply be... because I wanted to. Plus,
I don't believe I'm skimping. Just like any hobby, a person can spend as much
or as little as their interest dictates. Guns, Amateur Radio, R/C Airplanes,
Astronomy... just a few of the interests that I've spent a hefty sum to be involved
in... but it's all relative... others have many times what I have invested,
yet I still enjoy the hobby just the same.
So, on and on I go, basically saying what others have said, which is that everything
isn't based on money. If it were a difference of many thousands of dollars
between my car engine and a suitable airplane engine, then I might consider
dropping the idea, but given that it's literally a toss up at this point, and
the Corvair should be very reliable and economical during operation, I'm going
to press on. You know, I originally thought that I could complete this project
for $10-$15,000... woops, I'm approaching that target already. I will likely
exceed $20k, but probably not by much. Yeah, I still have to budget for
the materials we need in order to keep pressing on, but it is what it is, and
regardless of the expense, my family and I are having a ball. That's got to be
worth something!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Back to Corvairs...I guess. |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
If personal safety is your prime consideration then you have no business
building your own aircraft. Especially when you can buy a used certified
aircraft quite often for less. I think its hypocritical for anyone who is
building there own aircraft (especially if it is their first) to say that
safety is their prime concern.
And you are wrong Mark, you can only have fun if you use a "genuine"
aircraft engine in your aircraft plus if you don't you will most certainly
die.
rick
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:10 AM, K5YAC wrote:
>
> Reading through this thread (and my previous posts) again this morning and
> just wanted to clarify that I wasn't intending to sound snotty, just trying
> to point out that while the discussion usually seems to revolve around
> money, not everyone makes their decisions based purely on price. Yes, part
> of the reason I chose to build and airplane, and part of the reason I chose
> the Corvair was based upon economy, but it's not everything, and as I've
> progressed through my project I've found that it doesn't make sense to skimp
> all the time. Being a new builder, I've not made enough contacts to
> scrounge effectively, so I'm paying full price for most of my components, as
> many of us are. For example... I didn't feel like going to the lumber yard
> and sifting through boards so that I could come to the shop and rip hundreds
> of feet of strip, I also felt that spruce was probably better (lighter and
> stronger) that what I could find around here. I'm a big guy, so weight was
> a primary conce!
> rn. Did I spend 300% more than it would have cost for me to buy rough cut
> locally? Maybe 400%? I don't know, but whatever it was I was glad to avoid
> that chore.
>
> Anyhow... getting back to the point... which is, cost. When I first chose
> the Corvair it was indeed based somewhat on economy, and availability, and
> simplicity, and, well... I honestly can't remember what all I was thinking
> when I got into this project, but I haven't seen anything yet that has
> convinced me that I made a bad engine choice. Has my original assessment in
> cost changed since I started this project? It has increased almost
> double... but it's still just as educational as it would have been at a
> lesser price. Maybe more so! I'm learning that these things not only take
> longer than expected, they generally cost more too! Ha ha!
>
> Some might ask... if you aren't trying to skimp, why did you choose a car
> engine as opposed to one of the tried and true aviation engines? I suppose
> that's a fair question, but my answer would simply be... because I wanted
> to. Plus, I don't believe I'm skimping. Just like any hobby, a person can
> spend as much or as little as their interest dictates. Guns, Amateur Radio,
> R/C Airplanes, Astronomy... just a few of the interests that I've spent a
> hefty sum to be involved in... but it's all relative... others have many
> times what I have invested, yet I still enjoy the hobby just the same.
>
> So, on and on I go, basically saying what others have said, which is that
> everything isn't based on money. If it were a difference of many thousands
> of dollars between my car engine and a suitable airplane engine, then I
> might consider dropping the idea, but given that it's literally a toss up at
> this point, and the Corvair should be very reliable and economical during
> operation, I'm going to press on. You know, I originally thought that I
> could complete this project for $10-$15,000... woops, I'm approaching that
> target already. I will likely exceed $20k, but probably not by much. Yeah,
> I still have to budget for the materials we need in order to keep pressing
> on, but it is what it is, and regardless of the expense, my family and I are
> having a ball. That's got to be worth something!
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334914#334914
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Back to Corvairs...I guess. |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Well, we Vair-heads have 6 cylinders and will lose a lower percentage of
power with one dead cylinder. So there...
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
>
> On 03/23/2011 09:16 PM, Gboothe5 wrote:
>
>> Huh? I built my 'core' for $3,000 (just a hair over). I'll add another
>> $1,000 for the 5th bearing. Can you get a new 0-235 for $4,000+? One
>> advantage to the Corvair is that a builder is capable of scrounging for
>> parts, and doing almost everything himself, that he is comfortable with.
>>
>
> OK, I'm not going to comment further on this simply 'cause I don't know.
> Yes, I've repeated what I've been told - I am simply a dumb mouthpiece when
> it comes to the Corvair discussion. If you guys wanna go and use 'em, more
> power to ya! Good on you! That's the Experimentalist spirit!
>
> Me, I'm going to stick with my aircraft engine because I trust it more. It
> lost all compression on one cylinder and still pulled my butt around the sky
> for who knows how long on only 3 cylinders.
>
> So, other than pokin' fun at you (CS)^2 guys, I'm not going put any more
> useful information in this thread - and that's only because I don't have any
> useful information.
>
> Onward,
> Dan
>
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: clear doped look |
| From: | "heavyliftpilot" <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
Hi, i have a question (relating to covering)...tried to do a search, but came up
with too many hits. I bought a piet that was built in 2004, and for the most
part, the covering looks pretty good. except, on one wing, the tape is wore
and almost every rib stitch is exposed. Not sure what to make of this, and what
might cause that to happen. any input? thanks, james t
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334921#334921
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Back to Corvairs...I guess. |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Bill Church wrote:
> Last time I checked, that was worth $6127.86. :)
>
> BC
Cheapskate. I'll bet you sneak your own candy into the movies too. [Laughing]
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334929#334929
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Back to Corvairs...I guess. |
Wow, we have about beat this subject to death, but let me add just
this. I've disassembled 3 Corvair cores, 2 Continental A-65's, then
rebuilt the A-65. I don't see how you could possibly consider the
Corvair to be simpler than the basic small Continental, especially the
reliable no battery needed magneto ignition. The Corvair is a neat
design, and its amazing how neatly packaged the bottom end is. When I
compared the obvious strength of the crankshafts, crankcases, and the #1
crank bearing, it helped me make my decision.
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Fl
Headed to Sun-N-Fun hopefully Monday night to hang out with the Corvair
boys from Georgia
Won't get to park with them, cause I have an airplane engine in mine,
and they will be in Auto conversion parking. However we are all
brothers of the Pietenpol who are comfortable with our many decisions
made during the building process.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Back to Corvairs...I guess. |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Who said a Corvair was simpler? A C-65 is simpler that my lawn tractor
engine.
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Ben Charvet wrote:
>
> Wow, we have about beat this subject to death, but let me add just this.
> I've disassembled 3 Corvair cores, 2 Continental A-65's, then rebuilt the
> A-65. I don't see how you could possibly consider the Corvair to be simpler
> than the basic small Continental, especially the reliable no battery needed
> magneto ignition. The Corvair is a neat design, and its amazing how neatly
> packaged the bottom end is. When I compared the obvious strength of the
> crankshafts, crankcases, and the #1 crank bearing, it helped me make my
> decision.
>
> Ben Charvet
> Titusville, Fl
> Headed to Sun-N-Fun hopefully Monday night to hang out with the Corvair
> boys from Georgia
> Won't get to park with them, cause I have an airplane engine in mine, and
> they will be in Auto conversion parking. However we are all brothers of
> the Pietenpol who are comfortable with our many decisions made during the
> building process.
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr(at)gmail.com> |
Folks
For those going to Sun-Fun, just wondering if some of the Piet group
will be getting together on Saturday April 2nd, and if so where and when.
I'd really like to put some faces on the names on this list that I've been
lurking on for the past year. My son and I have been to Oshkosh many times,
but this is a first trip to Sun-Fun so we really don't know what to expect.
If possible, my son and I would love to sit in a couple of Piet's to get an
idea of what we are getting ourselves into.......
Chuck Waldo
PS: Plans purchased a year ago, Cad work just about done (see attached),
work shop just about ready to go...wood to be purchased when shop is
ready.........Please don't ask which engine I'm going to use ;)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Back to Corvairs...I guess. |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
at7000ft wrote:
> Who said a Corvair was simpler? A C-65 is simpler that my lawn tractor engine.
I was wondering the same thing.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334940#334940
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Nice CAD work Chuck (using very high tech to render very primitive
technology). At SNF just check out the woodworking shop/tent, Dick and the
gang will be working on a Piet fuselage and they should know if any Piet
get-together is planned.
(Now you just need to add a CAD Corvair engine to your CAD Pietenpol)
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Charles Waldo wrote:
> Folks
>
> For those going to Sun-Fun, just wondering if some of the Piet group
> will be getting together on Saturday April 2nd, and if so where and when.
> I'd really like to put some faces on the names on this list that I've been
> lurking on for the past year. My son and I have been to Oshkosh many times,
> but this is a first trip to Sun-Fun so we really don't know what to expect.
> If possible, my son and I would love to sit in a couple of Piet's to get an
> idea of what we are getting ourselves into.......
>
> Chuck Waldo
>
> PS: Plans purchased a year ago, Cad work just about done (see attached),
> work shop just about ready to go...wood to be purchased when shop is
> ready.........Please don't ask which engine I'm going to use ;)
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
On 3/24/2011 1:27 PM, Charles Waldo wrote:
> Folks
>
> For those going to Sun-Fun, just wondering if some of the Piet
> group will be getting together on Saturday April 2nd, and if so where
> and when. I'd really like to put some faces on the names on this list
> that I've been lurking on for the past year. My son and I have been to
> Oshkosh many times, but this is a first trip to Sun-Fun so we really
> don't know what to expect. If possible, my son and I would love to sit
> in a couple of Piet's to get an idea of what we are getting ourselves
> into.......
>
> Chuck Waldo
>
> PS: Plans purchased a year ago, Cad work just about done (see
> attached), work shop just about ready to go...wood to be purchased
> when shop is ready.........Please don't ask which engine I'm going to
> use ;)
>
>
I will be leaving Friday morning, but if you can get there any earlier
you are welcome to sit in mine.
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Rounded Seat for Delrin Needle, Stromberg Carb, Continental |
A-65
After overhauling my Stromberg NA-S3B carb in 2003 and going to the Delrin
needle with the counterweight, I now find that I should have replaced the
needle seat that has a rounded shoulder where the needle engages, part
#383911. Several websites for Fly Babies, Luscombes, etc. referred me to Skyport
Services but they don't have any, nor does Fresno Airparts (I thought they
had parts for everything from the Wright Flyer on!).
Aircraft Spruce, where I bought the needle but which made no mention in the
catalogue that a different seat was called for, is researching if one can
be found.
Meanwhile, I turn to the real experts. Does anyone have a source for the
seat that works with the Delrin needle? Does anyone have a seat they're not
going to use?
Matt Paxton
Piet NX629ML
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net> |
Charles look me up and you guys can sit in mine. We should be there Saturda
y the 26 and leaving Friday the 1st cell 404 392 5612.....
--- On Thu, 3/24/11, Charles Waldo wrote:
From: Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-Fun
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 1:27 PM
Folks
-- For those going to Sun-Fun, -just wondering if some of the Piet gr
oup will be getting together on Saturday-April 2nd,-and if so where and
when. I'd really like to put some faces on the names on this list that I'v
e been lurking on for the past year. My son and I have been to Oshkosh many
times, but this is a first trip to Sun-Fun so we really don't know what to
expect. If possible, my son and I would love to sit in a couple of Piet's
to get an idea of what we are getting ourselves into.......
Chuck Waldo
PS: Plans purchased a year ago, Cad work just about done (see attached), wo
rk shop just about ready to go...wood to be purchased when shop is ready...
......Please don't ask which engine I'm going to use ;)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Rounded Seat for Delrin Needle, Stromberg Carb, Continental |
A-65
No, I've got the stainless steel needle. It leaked like a sieve until I
lapped in the valve seat. I mounted the valve seat in a drill press vice,
chucked the needle in the drill press, squirted some Crest toothpaste onto
the seat and used the drill press to spin the needle against the seat,
lapping it with the toothpaste as a fine abrasive. It works perfectly and
no longer leaks.
Could you do something similar to round off the edges of the seat you have
so it would work with the delrin needle?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Woodflier(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rounded Seat for Delrin Needle, Stromberg Carb,
Continental A-65
After overhauling my Stromberg NA-S3B carb in 2003 and going to the Delrin
needle with the counterweight, I now find that I should have replaced the
needle seat that has a rounded shoulder where the needle engages, part
#383911. Several websites for Fly Babies, Luscombes, etc. referred me to
Skyport Services but they don't have any, nor does Fresno Airparts (I
thought they had parts for everything from the Wright Flyer on!).
Aircraft Spruce, where I bought the needle but which made no mention in the
catalogue that a different seat was called for, is researching if one can be
found.
Meanwhile, I turn to the real experts. Does anyone have a source for the
seat that works with the Delrin needle? Does anyone have a seat they're not
going to use?
Matt Paxton
Piet NX629ML
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
My first shot at glueing ribs to spars using T88. Will let you know
tomorrow whether I got it mixed properly.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
My first shot at glueing ribs to spars using T88. Will let you know
tomorrow whether I got it mixed properly.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
what software did you do this in? I'd be interested in a 3D .dwg file if y
ou're willing to share.
Thanks
Tom B.
Date: Thu=2C 24 Mar 2011 13:27:14 -0400
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-Fun
From: cwaldo.jr(at)gmail.com
Folks
For those going to Sun-Fun=2C just wondering if some of the Piet group
will be getting together on Saturday April 2nd=2C and if so where and when.
I'd really like to put some faces on the names on this list that I've been
lurking on for the past year. My son and I have been to Oshkosh many times
=2C but this is a first trip to Sun-Fun so we really don't know what to exp
ect. If possible=2C my son and I would love to sit in a couple of Piet's to
get an idea of what we are getting ourselves into.......
Chuck Waldo
PS: Plans purchased a year ago=2C Cad work just about done (see attached)
=2C work shop just about ready to go...wood to be purchased when shop is re
ady.........Please don't ask which engine I'm going to use =3B)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: the Jenny gear attracts more ladies......here is proof |
ok who is your daugther and who is your nices
--- On Thu, 3/24/11, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] wrote:
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.g
ov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: the Jenny gear attracts more ladies......here is p
roof
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 4:57 AM
Dashing pilot/owner/operator Captain Greg Cardinal with new Pietenpol Jenny
Style
landing Gear Fan ClubNotice all the smiles ?
=C2-
You just don't see other Piets with the Cub type landing gear having this k
ind of following J
=C2-
KIDDDING for all of you with your panties wound too tightly !=C2-=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
I was fortunate enough to fly Ryan Mueller's A-65 Cub gear Piet last summer
at Brodhead and it
was one of the nicest (if not THE nicest) flying Piets I have ever flown.
=C2-
Mike C.
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Well, it's a little late now to mention it, but you might not want to glue
the ribs in place until you've got the drag and anti-drag wires in place and
have the wing trammeled. You will almost certainly need to move some of
those ribs an inch or two to clear the wires. It is not necessary to glue
the ribs to the spars at all. I just used AN501 nails on mine. Once the
wing is together and the fabric is rib-laced the ribs can't move anyway.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wings
My first shot at glueing ribs to spars using T88. Will let you know
tomorrow whether I got it mixed properly.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Looking good, Chuck. If you run into clearance problems with wires like Jack described,
I've seen people put doublers on the affected rib intercoastals and
then clearance those intercoastals for clearance (Clarence).
Hope that makes sense.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334979#334979
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Been there -- done that. What I did was slid the ribs on and positioned
them about where the plans call for. I then mounted the 6 metal
fittings that the wires connect to and ran mason cord between the
fittings in lieu of the wires. I then adjusted the rib positions so
that the wires would clear and marked the positions on the front spar.
I then took the ribs off the spars, and using a square, transferred the
marks to the rear spar. then I marked and drew perpendicular lines at
the same places on the left wing spars (the wing shown is the right
wing.) So when I go to put the wires in, they should not touch the ribs
anywhere. As far as using the nails -- I didn't think that I would have
room to hammer the nails in. What did you use -- a midget hammer?
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:20 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wings
Well, it's a little late now to mention it, but you might not want to
glue the ribs in place until you've got the drag and anti-drag wires in
place and have the wing trammeled. You will almost certainly need to
move some of those ribs an inch or two to clear the wires. It is not
necessary to glue the ribs to the spars at all. I just used AN501 nails
on mine. Once the wing is together and the fabric is rib-laced the ribs
can't move anyway.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:55 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wings
My first shot at glueing ribs to spars using T88. Will let you know
tomorrow whether I got it mixed properly.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | SENTUCHOWS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rounded Seat for Delrin Needle, Stromberg Carb, |
Conti...
I have one from a rubber needle. I think you can use that with a derlin
needle. You are welcome to it, if you want it.
Dave
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
So Kevin, I'm not the only one that did that?
Ben Charvet
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:55 PM, kevinpurtee wrote:
> kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
>
> Looking good, Chuck. If you run into clearance problems with wires like
> Jack described, I've seen people put doublers on the affected rib
> intercoastals and then clearance those intercoastals for clearance
> (Clarence).
>
> Hope that makes sense.
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334979#334979
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr(at)gmail.com> |
Tom
Its was done with Google Sketchup (free version)....does not convert
perfectly well to a dwg.......I was thinking of converting it to a 3D PDF
(could be rotated and zoomed in and out using free adobe reader!)...but then
I read the heavy discussion on liability and now I'm having second thoughts
on that.... :(
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 6:38 PM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote:
> what software did you do this in? I'd be interested in a 3D .dwg file if
> you're willing to share.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom B.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:27:14 -0400
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-Fun
> From: cwaldo.jr(at)gmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Folks
>
> For those going to Sun-Fun, just wondering if some of the Piet group
> will be getting together on Saturday April 2nd, and if so where and when.
> I'd really like to put some faces on the names on this list that I've been
> lurking on for the past year. My son and I have been to Oshkosh many times,
> but this is a first trip to Sun-Fun so we really don't know what to expect.
> If possible, my son and I would love to sit in a couple of Piet's to get an
> idea of what we are getting ourselves into.......
>
> Chuck Waldo
>
> PS: Plans purchased a year ago, Cad work just about done (see attached),
> work shop just about ready to go...wood to be purchased when shop is
> ready.........Please don't ask which engine I'm going to use ;)
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
When they do are you going to make them scream
"POCA, POCA" and video it for the rest of us
distance schmucks? :-)
Clif
Charles look me up and you guys can sit in mine. We should be
there Saturday the 26 and leaving Friday the 1st cell 404 392 5612.....
---
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Fwd: Sun-Fun (Where's Waldo??) |
| From: | Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr(at)gmail.com> |
I'm thinking the hat and glasses worked pretty good for my son and Piet
co-builder last Halloween....Of course it might also be because he solo'd at
14 and got his private on his 16th birthday (Another proud dad!)...........
Chuck Waldo
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:27 PM
Subject: Sun-Fun
Folks
For those going to Sun-Fun, just wondering if some of the Piet group
will be getting together on Saturday April 2nd, and if so where and when.
I'd really like to put some faces on the names on this list that I've been
lurking on for the past year. My son and I have been to Oshkosh many times,
but this is a first trip to Sun-Fun so we really don't know what to expect.
If possible, my son and I would love to sit in a couple of Piet's to get an
idea of what we are getting ourselves into.......
Chuck Waldo
PS: Plans purchased a year ago, Cad work just about done (see attached),
work shop just about ready to go...wood to be purchased when shop is
ready.........Please don't ask which engine I'm going to use ;)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Fwd: Sun-Fun (Where's Waldo??) |
So how does your son like flying gliders?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Waldo
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Sun-Fun (Where's Waldo??)
I'm thinking the hat and glasses worked pretty good for my son and Piet
co-builder last Halloween....Of course it might also be because he solo'd at
14 and got his private on his 16th birthday (Another proud dad!)...........
Chuck Waldo
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr(at)gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:27 PM
Subject: Sun-Fun
Folks
For those going to Sun-Fun, just wondering if some of the Piet group
will be getting together on Saturday April 2nd, and if so where and when.
I'd really like to put some faces on the names on this list that I've been
lurking on for the past year. My son and I have been to Oshkosh many times,
but this is a first trip to Sun-Fun so we really don't know what to expect.
If possible, my son and I would love to sit in a couple of Piet's to get an
idea of what we are getting ourselves into.......
Chuck Waldo
PS: Plans purchased a year ago, Cad work just about done (see attached),
work shop just about ready to go...wood to be purchased when shop is
ready.........Please don't ask which engine I'm going to use ;)
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| From: | Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net> |
Absolutely . I read somewhere that was a requirementThat
will be the price for admission..Video to Follow !!!!!
--- On Thu, 3/24/11, Clif Dawson wrote:
From: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun-Fun
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 10:59 PM
When they do are you going to make them scream
"POCA, POCA" and video it for the rest of us
distance schmucks? :-)
=C2-
Clif
Charles look me up and you guys can sit in mine. We should be there Saturda
y the 26 and leaving Friday the 1st cell 404 392 5612.....
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=C2-
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| From: | "womenfly2" <keriannprice(at)hotmail.com> |
Nice, but you have some very grainy wing spars there (?).
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335002#335002
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Looks good Chuck. Don't worry about the bracing wire clearance. I had some
interference problems and added (or subtracted) small pieces to my rib stru
cture in order to accommodate the wire location. I did not want to move my
ribs from side-to-side, as I thought it might be detected by some astute in
spectors at Brodhead. :O)
My ribs are fastened to the LE (per plans) AND glued to the spars. Just mak
e darn sure you like the way things line-up, because (as I'm sure you are w
ell-aware) after gluing a few ribs, you "aint gonna" move anything on that
wing.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Sent: Thu, Mar 24, 2011 5:08 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wings
My first shot at glueing ribs to spars using T88. Will let you know tomorr
ow whether I got it mixed properly.
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| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
| From: | james theissen <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Wylie, did i ask you for some pics? if not, could you email me
some. Also, how many hours on the plane, and how much are you asking?
thanks. james
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:42 PM, olflyr45 wrote:
>
> Pietenpol fully assembled and has been flying. For sale less firewall forward.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334363#334363
>
>
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: the Jenny gear attracts more ladies......here is proof |
Just doing my part to get young people involved in aviation........
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 6:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: the Jenny gear attracts more ladies......here
is proof
Dashing pilot/owner/operator Captain Greg Cardinal with new Pietenpol
Jenny Style
landing Gear Fan Club...Notice all the smiles ?
You just don't see other Piets with the Cub type landing gear having
this kind of following J
KIDDDING for all of you with your panties wound too tightly !
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I noticed the heavy/wavy grain as well. What type wood are the spars Charle
s?
I still can't believe how fast you are building this plane! How long has it
been now? MAYBE a year?-
Glad to see it coming together...very exciting times.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
To Ben - Yeah, I'm one of the people "I've seen" do that:).
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | trying on a wing |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
well..kinda had a big morning...
just trying on my wing for the first time.
need to level it up and do some measuring but it looks like a plane now.
my friends who didn't get it before will be able to see now.
jeff
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335027#335027
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing2_186.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing1_638.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: trying on a wing |
| From: | "Brett Phillips" <bphillip(at)shentel.net> |
Jeff:
You're another guy on this list that doesn't let any grass grow under him! It
seems that you have some sort of major milestone to report every couple of weeks.
Keep it up, 'cause your airplane is looking great!
Brett Phillips
Strasburg, VA
NX311GP
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335031#335031
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | trying on a wing |
Looks beautiful Jeff, but I see a real problem. Hangar's too clean. How do
you ever expect to spend hours searching for a tool in such a hangar?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 12:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: trying on a wing
well..kinda had a big morning...
just trying on my wing for the first time.
need to level it up and do some measuring but it looks like a plane now.
my friends who didn't get it before will be able to see now.
jeff
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335027#335027
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| Subject: | Re: Back to Corvairs...I guess. |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
K5YAC wrote:
>
> at7000ft wrote:
> > Who said a Corvair was simpler? A C-65 is simpler that my lawn tractor engine.
>
>
> I was wondering the same thing.
To be fair... I see where I did make mention that one of the reasons I chose the
Corvair was "simplicity", but I wasn't suggesting that it was simpler than anything
else in particular, just that it was familiar, available, etc., and therefore
simpler from my perspective. I don't have any experience with aircraft
engines so I can't make that type of comparison. I also reserve the right to
be wrong, as well as the freedom to choose whatever engine I want, regardless
of what others think.
Just gotta keep this thread alive. [Rolling Eyes]
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
March 15, 2011 - March 25, 2011
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