Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-kh
March 25, 2011 - April 03, 2011
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| Subject: | Re: trying on a wing |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
the hangar is nice to have ... i try not to touch the piet during "work" hours
but the Citation left yesterday and won't be back till tomorrow... so i didn't
feel too bad about putting the wing on
i still loose tools...and coffee mugs... and my tape measure
i guess i cant really make the real struts till i do a weight and balance but i'm
looking forward to those holding up the wing
i've been building to the flying and glider manuals..and i like the aileron cables
on the outside like Walt Bowes plane but i kinda wondered about the "new"
way too... time to work on that stuff
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Back to Corvairs...I guess. |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
OK guys,
I fly behind a Cont. C-85-12F and have friends who fly what used to be an auto
engine. You know like the Model A, Corvair, Model T, yes I said T. I have in-fact
personally flown all three of these and more. The Model T was in Chris Essgards
Sky Scout that our old friend Bernie built (yes the original) and the
Model A was Gar Williams Sky Scout that Bernie also built. Anyway, to the point
here. I understand that everyone here is having fun poking at each other (and
some of it is pretty funny) so here is my personal thought. It seems to me
that after you take the engine out of whatever car it used to be in, it is no
longer and auto engine. Once it is install in an aircraft I consider it to
be an aircraft engine. Whatever engine happens to be pulling us around the sky
doesn't really matter because we all come home the same way. With bugs in our
teeth. If you don't believe me, then start checking everyone's teeth when
the arrive at the next Piet gathering wherever that may be. You can all check
mine at the Frazier Lake gathering in June.
Now continue the jousting!
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: trying on a wing |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Very nice, you're doing us all proud. I think we should start a pool. See who
can determine Jeff's first flight day. Oh, and Jeff can't enter it.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: trying on a wing |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
thats funny Scott...
i glued my first rib together 4 months ago on Nov 1st... started cutting ribstock
a few days before that.. took lots of photos today
i wish i knew when i would be done..
i love building stuff... but flying this one should be a blast
can't wait
i'm on the lookout for the right boards to cut up into a prop.. Dan's fault
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: trying on a wing |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Nice looking!
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Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: trying on a wing |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Since we are now starting to lay blame on people. I gotta blame Gary Booth for
getting me started on this forum. I told him last June that I didn't have time
for this and now I just seem to be checking it several times a day when I'm
at work.
It's all your fault Gary. BTW, I say Jeff will fly on April 15, 2012. "Tax Day"
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
Well, since Scott brought it up.........
Come out and join us for the 3rd annual West Coast Pietenpol Gathering. It will
be June 4th 2011 at Frazier Lake (1C9) and is hosted by Charlie Miller. We had
a great time last year and it should be even more fun this year. I've already
sent out the info sheet to those on the west coast that I have on my list but if
you didn't get one or want to be added to the list I'll make it happen.
I've attached a copy of the info sheet in word doc format and can get you
another format if that doesn't work for you.
If you have any questions email myself or Charlie.
Mike Groah
(have started fabric covering and should be flying at the end of the
summer...... i hope)
oh! and we have 3 hours ground run time on our six cylinder "aircraft engine"
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From: AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Sent: Fri, March 25, 2011 11:52:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Back to Corvairs...I guess.
OK guys,
I fly behind a Cont. C-85-12F and have friends who fly what used to be an auto
engine. You know like the Model A, Corvair, Model T, yes I said T. I have
in-fact personally flown all three of these and more. The Model T was in Chris
Essgards Sky Scout that our old friend Bernie built (yes the original) and the
Model A was Gar Williams Sky Scout that Bernie also built. Anyway, to the point
here. I understand that everyone here is having fun poking at each other (and
some of it is pretty funny) so here is my personal thought. It seems to me that
after you take the engine out of whatever car it used to be in, it is no longer
and auto engine. Once it is install in an aircraft I consider it to be an
aircraft engine. Whatever engine happens to be pulling us around the sky
doesn't really matter because we all come home the same way. With bugs in our
teeth. If you don't believe me, then start checking everyone's teeth when the
arrive at the next Piet gathering wherever that !
may be. You can all check mine at the Frazier Lake gathering in June.
Now continue the jousting!
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (info sheet) |
Ok ... I forgot to attach the info sheet.
here it is:.....
Mike Groah
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Yeah, the first six I glued are affixed permanently. I glued up the
balance of the right wing today. Well there is a difference in the rib
spacing so the inspectors will have something to talk about. I don't
care, as long as it flies -- I ain't trying to win any beauty pageants.
Bought a Corvair project for Tom Brant in Minnesota and got in line with
Dan Weseman for a 5th bearing assembly. Gonna go get some welding
instruction tommorrow. About all the welding left is the landing gear
and wing struts. Hope to get it in the air and time flown off in time
to fly to Barnwell SC for a Corvair 'college' in November. Gotta get
hot. If I didn't have to sleep i could get a lot more done :0) Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wings
Looks good Chuck. Don't worry about the bracing wire clearance. I had
some interference problems and added (or subtracted) small pieces to my
rib structure in order to accommodate the wire location. I did not want
to move my ribs from side-to-side, as I thought it might be detected by
some astute inspectors at Brodhead. :O)
My ribs are fastened to the LE (per plans) AND glued to the spars.
Just make darn sure you like the way things line-up, because (as I'm
sure you are well-aware) after gluing a few ribs, you "aint gonna" move
anything on that wing.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Thu, Mar 24, 2011 5:08 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wings
My first shot at glueing ribs to spars using T88. Will let you know
tomorrow whether I got it mixed properly.
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Yeah -- about a year. The wood is Douglas fir and yes on a couple of
pieces the grain is a little wavy.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wings
I noticed the heavy/wavy grain as well. What type wood are the
spars Charles?
I still can't believe how fast you are building this plane! How
long has it been now? MAYBE a year?
Glad to see it coming together...very exciting times.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: trying on a wing |
Looks good! Wish I were that far along.
----- Original Message -----
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 12:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: trying on a wing
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>
> well..kinda had a big morning...
> just trying on my wing for the first time.
> need to level it up and do some measuring but it looks like a plane now.
> my friends who didn't get it before will be able to see now.
>
> jeff
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: trying on a wing |
Hear! Hear!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 1:16 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: trying on a wing
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>
> Looks beautiful Jeff, but I see a real problem. Hangar's too clean. How
> do
> you ever expect to spend hours searching for a tool in such a hangar?
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 12:22 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: trying on a wing
>
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>
> well..kinda had a big morning...
> just trying on my wing for the first time.
> need to level it up and do some measuring but it looks like a plane now.
> my friends who didn't get it before will be able to see now.
>
> jeff
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: trying on a wing |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Fantastic... what a living sculpture...!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: trying on a wing |
| From: | "Brett Phillips" <bphillip(at)shentel.net> |
Jeff:
I will agree that the FGM control system is neat looking and works fine, but my
biggest complaint is that the aileron cables are easy to step on when getting
situated in the rear cockpit. You really have to be careful not to catch a heal
when getting in and out. The "Improved Air Camper" control system uses a
horn on the control column and the cables exit the fuselage vertically, thus keeping
them away from your feet. It really is an improvement in my opinion...
Brett Phillips
Strasburg, VA
NX311GP
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| From: | Andrew M Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com> |
My opinion on beauty pagents is that they can wait for my second (or third)
project... If I feel like it. I've got enough learning to slow me down on
my first anyhow.
Andrew
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Charles Campbell wrote:
> Yeah -- about a year. The wood is Douglas fir and yes on a couple of
> pieces the grain is a little wavy.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Michael Perez
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2011 9:37 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: wings
>
> I noticed the heavy/wavy grain as well. What type wood are the spars
> Charles?
>
> I still can't believe how fast you are building this plane! How long has it
> been now? MAYBE a year?
>
> Glad to see it coming together...very exciting times.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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Sahuarita, AZ
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| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
While we're on the subject of wings, how much rib capstrip does one usually order
to compete the wing ribs? I'm getting close to making an order from Aircraft
Spruce, and woud like to know how much to order without ordering way too much.
Since I have my tail section built, I don't need capstrip for those component...
Thanks for any input!
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Without trying to be flippant (well, maybe a little, Billy), what I did and
most people have done is to take a tape measure and add up the lengths of
the uprights and diagonals, then add the upper and lower capstrips.
Multiply that answer by 30.
As I recall, I used 3 6' pices of 1/4" x 1/2" spruce per rib, but this was
15 years ago so check my memory (and my math).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy
McCaskill
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 7:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
While we're on the subject of wings, how much rib capstrip does one usually
order to compete the wing ribs? I'm getting close to making an order from
Aircraft Spruce, and woud like to know how much to order without ordering
way too much. Since I have my tail section built, I don't need capstrip for
those component... Thanks for any input!
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Jack's memory seems to be working pretty good.
Three 6 foot pieces per rib works out nicely, for the REAL Pietenpol ribs, anyway
- maybe different if you're using the Riblett airfoil.
Bill C.
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: trying on a wing |
In my experience it's much harder to find your
tools in a clean shop. The last place you think
of looking is where they're supposed to be. :-)
Clif
How do
> you ever expect to spend hours searching for a tool in such a hangar?
>
> Jack Phillips
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Mark Langford's Corvair Valve Job |
In this months Experimenter... http://www.n56ml.com/corvair/valvejob.html
Jack
DSM
C-85
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| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
I visited the Western Antique Aeroplane and Automobile Museum (WAAAM) yesterday
and thought I'd share the Pietenpol they have on display next to a row of early
Ford cars. If you ever get to Hood River Oregon, you don't want to miss this
one.......... 100,000 square feet of hangar almost 80 vintage planes (which
ALL fly) and as many vintage cars. One of the best collections of Golden Era
flying aeroplane in the world - no exaggeration...!
I' beeen before and yesterday their director of restoration took me around and
through their shop - WOW! (Current project is the prototype Stearman (yes the
VERY first one) They also have Curtis Jenny serial number one - yes it flies..........!)
THANK-YOU Tom......
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Jake Schultz - curator,
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| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
http://www.waaamuseum.org/
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Jake Schultz - curator,
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| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I took the liberty of resizing the photo as it was much bigger than my screen.
I hope other folks enjoy the great photo in a little bit easier to see size.
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Semper Fi,
Terry
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Or you could do it like this (below)... but it is pointless to try Terry. When
I first came on the boards (or e-mail list as some oooold timers insist on calling
it... yes, I know, I can read the top of the page too... It clearly states
"Email List"), I offered a couple of suggestions on how to better display images
and such. You would have thought I had suggested making a modification
that wasn't specifically spelled out in the plans... another huge no-no. [Rolling
Eyes]
So, I may as well share with you what many consider to be rule #1 around here...
Don't disconcert the masses.
Some of these guys are VERY sensitive about their ancient way of doing things.
Kind of like the way that this text runs waaaay out to the right because many
insist on using the "Attach" feature rather than inserting a simple line of code.
I guess it has something to do with the way the emailers want it done.
I know that I'm in deep "you know what" just for writing this, but it is cold
and rainy here today, so I have nothing better to do. [Laughing]
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Mark Chouinard
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| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Mark,
Not to 'muck up' the "email list" here, how about emailing me separately and 'splain
to me the code to keep everything to the left. That way I can read my own
messages correctly.
And I will add your 'rule' to my list of rules for this forum. Just a new guy figurin'
out how to fit in!
jarheadpilot82/at/hotmail/dot/com
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Semper Fi,
Terry
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Yeah, it shows up fine in my mail too, but the sequence is all f'd up and for those
that choose to web it, the formatting kind of sucks... otherwise it's good
stuff.
I know, I know, it's a great resource and I should just leave it alone... and I
will. Just trying to spare Terry from the wrath of John Recine and others coming
along and asking, "what does photo sizing have to do with building a Piet."
Kids? Funny.
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Mark Chouinard
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Hey Terry, I'm just funnin around more than anything. Don't take anything here
too seriously. :D
I will start another post where we can all rag on each other over the pros and
cons of email vs. web. I'm afraid I've jacked Tom's thread on WAAAM, which looks
pretty cool by the way.
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Mark Chouinard
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| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Yeah., sorry.... I published this post (and this reply) from my fancy new Droid
and I have not yet figured out how to resize images on this thing..........
I had been doing all the posts from a PC.
Now back to installing the master bathroom floor so I can then get back to the
Piet. The remodel has set that on hold for a couple weeks. I'll spare you all
oversize images of that (ha!)
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
P.S. it's not a post by Tom, i was trying to publicly thank Tom Murphy who is
WAAAM's director of restoration...... signed Jake.
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Jake Schultz - curator,
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| Subject: | Disconcerting the Masses - BBCode |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
* * * * * NOT PIET RELATED * * * * *
Terry and others... as for the code used to provide cleaner formatting for Web
readers... there are a few simple Bulletin Board codes (or BBCodes) that you might
find handy. Hows that for old Ryan? Been hitting the BBS since the early
80s using my tricked out Tandy-1000 and my 300 baud modem. LOL!
By simply starting and ending strings with certain commands, called tags, you can
present items in line with text rather than those big space hogging frames.
However, none of them will correct poor formatting (i.e. huge images or incorrect
paths).
For example, if you wanted to insert an image you would type...
[img]insert path here[/img]
Rather that the text "insert path here', you would insert an actual path... such as http://www.eaa.org/homebuilders/images/Pietenpol%20Air%20Camper-1.jpg
Like this!
The path should reference an image that is available on the web... if the file
is stored locally you will need to upload it to flicker, photo bucket or some
other web based storage and reference that path, or just use the attach feature
if you don't mind one of those big frames. Sound difficult? It's not.
There are others, like [url], which will let you insert a web path, but it's not
generally necessary... just type a web path and it will be recognized and a
hyper link created.
The one I've found most useful is [IMG], but there are others here that you can review here http://www.bbcode.org/reference.php. Not all BB tags work in all forums. Such as the [youtube] or [gvideo] tags... I don't believe that they work here.
Hope this helps a little.
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Mark Chouinard
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Roger that, Jake... sorry.
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Mark Chouinard
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| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
No problem Roger. (ha!)
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Jake Schultz - curator,
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| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
P.P.S. Mark, thanks for keeping your kit log.... it has been really nice to follow
your progress....
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Jake Schultz - curator,
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| Subject: | Re: Disconcerting the Masses - BBCode |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
For us it was the C-64 or Tandy, and the BBS of choice was Fargo, ND. A long distance
call, but we just had to download munchkins, or whatever other totally
lame game (by today's standards) we had to have.
I know you are just poking fun. :)
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Disconcerting the Masses - BBCode |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
WOW!! I feel like I upset the apple cart by trying to resize a photo.[s]Yikes![/s]
[move]just trying to join the group.[/move]
I will be on the forum (or is it 'email list'?) in the near future asking construction
questions.
I like this group already!
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Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Disconcerting the Masses - BBCode |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
You didn't [i}upset[/i] or upset anything... you were merely on the verge on disconcerting...
that's all.
You are getting off easy... I was not so fortunate. :?
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Corvair shown on The Aviators |
I didn't see this episode...just forwarding from another list...
"The Aviators on PBS Episode 8 air date 10-25-10.
The only engine shown on the episode was a Corvair. They also had short
segments about home building metal, wood and composite construction...."
Gary Boothe
Corvair Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Disconcerting the Masses - BBCode |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
They are probably taking pity on the grey hair...
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Semper Fi,
Terry
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Jim Boyer,
Thanks for asking! Hope your knee is healing fast...you got some
catchin=99 up to do!
Not too much change in the picture, however:
Fuel is all hooked up all the way to carb.
Most of the electric is done.
Wingtip bows are made.
Leading edges are made.
Almost done with metal fittings for wings.
Next projects:
Finish electric
Run engine on Fuse
Start wings
Gary Boothe
Corvair Powered
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| Subject: | Yaawwn.....new thread needed- Did you ever think........... |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hello all you G.P's,
Did you ever think about how much faith is put into the lowly cotter pin? I
warn you, if you dwell on this subject too long you will begin to scare yo
urself. I remember a few years ago when I did a test run of my engine and I
had the airplane completely assembled (no cover) with all the castle nuts
just hand tight. After a few minutes of ground run almost every one of tho
se little suckers was on the ground, control cables hanging etc. What if ju
st one of the cotter pins failed on the bellcrank connections? I guess one
can console oneself a little, by thinking that most of those pesky little c
ritters can be inspected prior to each flight, but what about the ones you
can't look at??? I have scared myself sufficiently, as to contemplate fabr
icating a "hybrid" safety mechanism for those hidden bellcrank connections.
............ How about this idea? Take a nylon lock nut, drill a cotter pin
hole in it, so it can be threaded-on just short of being tight, and insert
ing a cotter pin. That way, you can have a nice warm, fuzzy, and secure fee
ling of having all those AN3 sized bolts double safetied.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Yaawwn.....new thread needed- Did you ever think........... |
Dan,
I'll have to think about your idea, but thanks for the new thread! I did not
understand a word those guys were saying..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear, RIBS DONE!
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:04 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Yaawwn.....new thread needed- Did you ever
think...........
Hello all you G.P's,
Did you ever think about how much faith is put into the lowly cotter pin? I
warn you, if you dwell on this subject too long you will begin to scare
yourself. I remember a few years ago when I did a test run of my engine and
I had the airplane completely assembled (no cover) with all the castle nuts
just hand tight. After a few minutes of ground run almost every one of
those little suckers was on the ground, control cables hanging etc. What if
just one of the cotter pins failed on the bellcrank connections? I guess one
can console oneself a little, by thinking that most of those pesky little
critters can be inspected prior to each flight, but what about the ones you
can't look at??? I have scared myself sufficiently, as to contemplate
fabricating a "hybrid" safety mechanism for those hidden bellcrank
connections............. How about this idea? Take a nylon lock nut, drill a
cotter pin hole in it, so it can be threaded-on just short of being tight,
and inserting a cotter pin. That way, you can have a nice warm, fuzzy, and
secure feeling of having all those AN3 sized bolts double safetied.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
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| Subject: | Re: Rounded Seat for Delrin Needle, Stromberg Carb, Conti... |
| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
Today I disassembled my Stromberg NA-S3/B carb to verify the venturi and
jet were correct for my C-85. The venturi was correct and the jet appears to
a #49 jet reamed to a #45 which is correct. I too have a neoprene needle
that appears to be in great conditiond, but the seat is a sharp edged one for
the stainless needle.
Dave, If Matt doesn't want you seat, I sure could use it in my carb. If he
does, does anyone else have one they'd like to swap?
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Rounded Seat for Delrin Needle, Stromberg Carb, Conti... |
| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
Matt, I found an official reference about the needles and seats.
46-04-02 CULVER: (Was Service Note 6 of AD-730-2.) Applies Only to Model LCA Having
Stromberg Model NA-S3A1 Carburetors Installed.
When inspecting or replacing carburetor float needle or needle seat, a check should
be made to assure that when a rubber tipped needle is used, a seat having
rounded edges is installed. Sharp-edged seats, when used with a rubber tipped
needle, will cause sticking and cutting of the rubber tip.
(This matter is also covered by Continental Service Bulletin No. M45-6 dated May
25, 1945, and Stromberg Aircraft Carburetor Service Bulletin No. 71.)
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| From: | SENTUCHOWS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rounded Seat for Delrin Needle, Stromberg Carb, |
Conti...
I have not heard from Matt. If he doesn't want it you are welcome to it.
Dave
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | FW: Visit to John McPherson |
From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:50 PM
Subject: Visit to John McPherson
Today, fellow builder Mike Weaver & I had the very great pleasure to visit
local Piet builder John McPherson.
You haven't heard of John McPherson?
Well, that's because, believe it or not, John has no idea how to access the
Pietenpol List! Yet he continues to plod along...He started his project in
1995, and is almost ready to cover.
John's background is flight control engineering in the Airforce. You can see
some influence from his past in pictures 008 and 009. I especially liked how
he linked his rudder pedals in 008!
He has the hard wire technique mastered, and used that on his tail wires -
004.
All you builders interested in avoiding the cost of turnbuckles may be
interested in 016. John bought hard wire from ACS and threaded it
himself...my Hero for the Day!
John needs some help with his mags, pictured in 015. Does anyone have any
experience with these? Although Mike & I are Corvair guys, we happily
encourage anyone who wants to use an alternative engine, and I promised to
put the question to the List!
Gary Boothe
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Yaawwn.....new thread needed- Did you ever think........... |
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Thanks, Dan, now I have something else to keep me up at night!
>
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Fl
>
> Did you ever think about how much faith is put into the lowly cotter
> pin? I warn you, if you dwell on this subject too long you will begin
> to scare yourself. I remember a few years ago when I did a test run of
> my engine and I had the airplane completely assembled (no cover) with
> all the castle nuts just hand tight. After a few minutes of ground
> run almost every one of those little suckers was on the ground,
> control cables hanging etc. What if just one of the cotter pins failed
> on the bellcrank connections? I guess one can console oneself a
> little, by thinking that most of those pesky little critters can be
> inspected prior to each flight, but what about the ones you can't look
> at??? I have scared myself sufficiently, as to contemplate
> fabricating a "hybrid" safety mechanism for those hidden bellcrank
> connections............. How about this idea? Take a nylon lock
> nut, drill a cotter pin hole in it, so it can be threaded-on just
> short of being tight, and inserting a cotter pin. That way, you can
> have a nice warm, fuzzy, and secure feeling of having all those AN3
> sized bolts double safetied.
>
> Dan Helsper
>
> Puryear, TN.
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| From: | Dennis Vetter <minimax103(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Yaawwn.....new thread needed- Did you ever think........... |
Yeah! I still have the habbit of using blue Loctite on aircraft lock nu
ts. Figure that out.
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Yaawwn.....new thread needed- Did you ever think..
.........
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Sat=2C 26 Mar 2011 20:03:43 -0400
Hello all you G.P's=2C
Did you ever think about how much faith is put into the lowly cotter pin? I
warn you=2C if you dwell on this subject too long you will begin to scare
yourself. I remember a few years ago when I did a test run of my engine and
I had the airplane completely assembled (no cover) with all the castle nut
s just hand tight. After a few minutes of ground run almost every one of t
hose little suckers was on the ground=2C control cables hanging etc. What i
f just one of the cotter pins failed on the bellcrank connections? I guess
one can console oneself a little=2C by thinking that most of those pesky li
ttle critters can be inspected prior to each flight=2C but what about the o
nes you can't look at??? I have scared myself sufficiently=2C as to contem
plate fabricating a "hybrid" safety mechanism for those hidden bellcrank co
nnections............. How about this idea? Take a nylon lock nut=2C drill
a cotter pin hole in it=2C so it can be threaded-on just short of being tig
ht=2C and inserting a cotter pin. That way=2C you can have a nice warm=2C f
uzzy=2C and secure feeling of having all those AN3 sized bolts double safet
ied.
Dan Helsper
Puryear=2C TN.
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| From: | Rod Wooller <rmwo(at)CLEAR.NET.NZ> |
| Subject: | Re: Yaawwn.....new thread needed- Did you ever think........... |
AS&S have self-locking castle nuts that let you sleep at night. MS17825
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| Subject: | Re: Yaawwn.....new thread needed- Did you ever think........... |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
How did I miss these? Never heard of them. My order is IN to ACS!!!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Wooller <rmwo(at)CLEAR.NET.NZ>
Sent: Sun, Mar 27, 2011 2:51 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yaawwn.....new thread needed- Did you ever thi
nk...........
AS&S have self-locking castle nuts that let you sleep at night. MS17825
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (info sheet) |
| From: | "regchief" <kbosley(at)comcast.net> |
although I can't open the download, I don't have word on this laptop, frazier lake
isn't that far from paso robles, so I will mark that date down on my calender.
BTW, Mike, I finally got to see a piet in the flesh last week. I stoped by
the Hiller aviation musuem, just south of San Fransisco, last week, and they
have a model A powered one, but it is sitting way up high and could only view
from a short distance. I would still like to come up and see yours some day,
particulary as your starting to cover.
Kelly
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| Subject: | Re: Rounded Seat for Delrin Needle, Stromberg Carb, Conti... |
| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
I was looking at the reassembly portion of the carb
overhaul manual, and it refers to shellacking. Does
anyone know of a modern alternative or if off the
shelf shellac from Lowes will work?
Dave, let me know when you hear from Mike if he
wants the seat or not. He might be stuck in the hangar
without a computer.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
from the Stromberg overhaul manual:
REASSEMBLY: All headless screw plugs
below the fuel level should be assembled with
shellac, being careful not to get it on the end of
the plug where it will come off and be carried by
the fuel into one of the metering orifices. Head-
less screw plugs above the fuel level and all other
threaded parts screwed into the bodies should
have a compound of graphite and castor oil put
on the threads.
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| Subject: | Re: Visit to John McPherson |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Those Eisemann mags are quite common among older planes. Parts are available.
Have John call Jeff Scott in Los Alamos, NM at (505) 412-0910 and I'm sure he
will be glad to help with information on servicing them.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| Subject: | Re: Visit to John McPherson |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Those Eisemann mags are quite common among older planes. Parts are available.
Have John call Jeff Scott in Los Alamos, NM at (505) 412-0910 and I'm sure he
will be glad to help with information on servicing them.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Not gonna happen Mr. Curmedgeon.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
Hi Gary,
Thanks for the picture. I think I remember you saying you were using a Stro
mberg NAS-3A carburetor; so... what airbox/air filter are you using and whe
re did you get it?
Except for the wings you are ready to=C2- cover! Looking good Gary; are y
ou going to be ready for cover by June 4 and Frazier Lake?
I actually went=C2- out in the shop yesterday for a couple of hours and
=C2- cleaned=C2- out the accumulating junk so I can get out there and s
tart working again.=C2- Looking forward=C2- to=C2- it. The knee is ba
sically okay now,=C2- just not bending quite far enough yet,=C2- but ho
pefully it will.
Cheers,
Jim
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Jim,
Very glad to hear you are up and about! You gotta keep an eye on your
shop, or, before you know it, it=99ll be full of stuff that
belongs IN the house (if you know what I mean! ).
My air box I bought several years ago on E-bay, but it has no
distinguishing marks on it. I believe it was advertised to be a
=9C...cessna style...=9D air box. The filter is a Brackett
filter.
I just came in to get a cup of tea after painting all the fittings for
the wings! Only thing left to do before assembling them is to rib up
some trailing edges...I don=99t think I=99ll be covering
before the West Coast Pietenpol Gathering, but sure looking forward to
seeing all you guys!
Gary Boothe
Corvair Powered
From: Jim Boyer
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress
Hi Gary,
Thanks for the picture. I think I remember you saying you were using a
Stromberg NAS-3A carburetor; so... what airbox/air filter are you using
and where did you get it?
Except for the wings you are ready to cover! Looking good Gary; are you
going to be ready for cover by June 4 and Frazier Lake?
I actually went out in the shop yesterday for a couple of hours and
cleaned out the accumulating junk so I can get out there and start
working again. Looking forward to it. The knee is basically okay now,
just not bending quite far enough yet, but hopefully it will.
Cheers,
Jim
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (info sheet) |
Kelly,
I look forward to seeing you at the gathering in June! Email me your address
off list and I'll send you the flyer.
And you're welcome to come see our project as is any other builder passing through
our part of the world.
Mike Groah
Tulare California
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 27, 2011, at 8:12 AM, "regchief" wrote:
>
> although I can't open the download, I don't have word on this laptop, frazier
lake isn't that far from paso robles, so I will mark that date down on my calender.
BTW, Mike, I finally got to see a piet in the flesh last week. I stoped
by the Hiller aviation musuem, just south of San Fransisco, last week, and they
have a model A powered one, but it is sitting way up high and could only view
from a short distance. I would still like to come up and see yours some day,
particulary as your starting to cover.
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335169#335169
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Visit to John McPherson |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Gary,
What kind of help is he looking for with the mags?
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Hey,pietenpol-list |
| From: | rvjengel(at)aol.com |
Hello,friend!
I have bought several products on www.apple-33g.com a month ago.? I felt th
ey are pretty good after being used for a while, the most important is they
provide products at lower price and free delivery charges. So I strongly r
ecommend you to visit this website. Maybe you will find something you reall
y need.
Wishing you many future sucesses!
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| From: | "womenfly2" <keriannprice(at)hotmail.com> |
Your wing spars really worry me. Seriously.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Visit to John McPherson |
This may sound funny...but he (and we) could not find any evidence of a
P-lead!!
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Visit to John McPherson
Gary,
What kind of help is he looking for with the mags?
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Lancaster PA fly in for all you taildraggin Pieters |
I should be well into my hangar by this time in case you're interested in
attending
the:
Event Name: 1st. Annual Amish Country Taildragger Fly-In Event
Location: Lancaster, PA Event Date: June 11, 2011 Contact Name: _Al Hubler_
(mailto:c177batcpilot(at)aol.com) Contact Phone: 717-468-8014 Additional
Comments:
All makes and models of taildraggers are welcome.
Shoo-Fly Pie, Chicken Corn Soup, Whoopie Pies, Homemade Root Beer. Fly
Mart (Bring your aviation items to sell) RSVP if possible. No Rain Date.
I live close by and expect to attend I am hoping the Pieters will show,
please let me know if youre interested in attending. If all goes well Ill
have a hangar for shelter and what ever else I can scrounge up to make the
trip a bit more comfortable
FYI its KLNS for those that are interested in finding it on the Baltimore
Washington sectional
Please advise on or off list just curious to see if any peters would be
interested in attending.
John
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Yeah....per the EAA Wood book, which is referencing approved data, the
minimum is 8 annual rings per inch....from what I can see in the pics you
aren't there....
Ryan
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 5:25 PM, womenfly2 wrote:
> keriannprice(at)hotmail.com>
>
> Your wing spars really worry me. Seriously.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335203#335203
>
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Don't worry about it -- I don't.
----- Original Message -----
From: "womenfly2" <keriannprice(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
>
>
> Your wing spars really worry me. Seriously.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Jim, I'm assuming that you had a knee replaced. I had one replaced
about 3 years ago and the day after the surgery I got deathly ill. I
was flat on my back, unable to do any therapy exercises for about 9
weeks. I am paying the price now. I don't remember a day since the
surgery that my knee hasn't hurt. And it's more stiff than it should
be. Moral: do your therapy exercises regularly and strenously. It
will pay off in the long run. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Boyer
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress
Hi Gary,
Thanks for the picture. I think I remember you saying you were using a
Stromberg NAS-3A carburetor; so... what airbox/air filter are you using
and where did you get it?
Except for the wings you are ready to cover! Looking good Gary; are
you going to be ready for cover by June 4 and Frazier Lake?
I actually went out in the shop yesterday for a couple of hours and
cleaned out the accumulating junk so I can get out there and start
working again. Looking forward to it. The knee is basically okay now,
just not bending quite far enough yet, but hopefully it will.
Cheers,
Jim
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Airbox / Filter |
Question! A lot of the time I receive the same post more than once.
This one from Gary I received twice. Today I received one of the posts
four times. Is this the fault of the list or is my server doing it?
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airbox / Filter
Jim,
Very glad to hear you are up and about! You gotta keep an eye on your
shop, or, before you know it, it=99ll be full of stuff that
belongs IN the house (if you know what I mean! ).
My air box I bought several years ago on E-bay, but it has no
distinguishing marks on it. I believe it was advertised to be a
=9C...cessna style...=9D air box. The filter is a Brackett
filter.
I just came in to get a cup of tea after painting all the fittings for
the wings! Only thing left to do before assembling them is to rib up
some trailing edges...I don=99t think I=99ll be covering
before the West Coast Pietenpol Gathering, but sure looking forward to
seeing all you guys!
Gary Boothe
Corvair Powered
From: Jim Boyer
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:35 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress
Hi Gary,
Thanks for the picture. I think I remember you saying you were using a
Stromberg NAS-3A carburetor; so... what airbox/air filter are you using
and where did you get it?
Except for the wings you are ready to cover! Looking good Gary; are
you going to be ready for cover by June 4 and Frazier Lake?
I actually went out in the shop yesterday for a couple of hours and
cleaned out the accumulating junk so I can get out there and start
working again. Looking forward to it. The knee is basically okay now,
just not bending quite far enough yet, but hopefully it will.
Cheers,
Jim
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Excellent attitude...
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Hey all
I'm at SNF with Skip Gadd Dave Aldrich, Randy Henderson and a couple
others . There are 4 Piets here so far. We are going to be building a
Piet Fuselage at the show, I hope you all will stop by and watch or
help. This one is going to be a quick build, so come by early on.
I'll post a pic or 2 later.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Lancaster PA fly in for all you taildraggin Pieters |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
I'll in!
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| From: | norm <coevst(at)yahoo.com> |
I too think you should--get-some local help on selecting your spar qu
ality , =0Aperhaps an eaa chapter ,, or fellow builder or ?- It would be
a shame if your =0Adar fails it after all your hard work , please accept th
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keriannprice(at)hotmail.com>=0A=0AYour wing spars really worry me. Seriously.
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| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
Anyone still reading email that's attending Sun'n'fun=2C I could use a favo
r if you're willing.
I'm trying to get a bunch of turnbuckles from B&B but he's got everything a
t Sun'n'Fun. Wondering if anyone would be willing to get me some and promp
tly be reimbursed. Preferably someone from Minneapolis area - Dick Navratr
il perhaps???
Later=2C
Tom Brant
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| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Not much more to do,should be done here shortly,dave
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Torque Control Tube Location |
Ready to mount my control assembly. Considering the angle the aileron
cables pass through the slot in the panel base up to the center section
pulleys. I'm just guessing my wing will be 4 inches aft of perpendicular.
(Is this average for a long fuselage, C-85, split gear, heavier than average
tail) Can someone help with the calculation of how far the aileron control
horn needs to be forward of the slot in the panel base? Assuming a rise of
approximately 46" (horn to slot 22" and slot to c-section 24") and wing aft
4" equals having the horn 4" forward the slot?? Not sure I have that much
room.
Thanks!!
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Visit to John McPherson |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Those are the unshielded mags, right? I'll have to stop by the hangar later and
check on the p-leads on mine.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Chuck,
Please take these comments as positive, caring, criticism. The way the pictures
look the spars do not meet the wood specs that are called for. We do have the
liberty to build what we want and basically how we want, but those specs have
been called out for a reason. Please check them over. I've built several
spars for several airplanes and this is an area that you clearly don't want to
use sub par materials. The really cool thing right now is that there doesn't
seem to be a shortage of excellent spar quality spruce wood. Probably about
$800 will get you excellent spar material from one of the top aircraft suppliers
and you'll have it in about 2 weeks. Pretty good for the most important structural
part of the airplane.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
I mean, if I were building a 300-HP, 300-MPH airplane this would be a
concern. The plane I'm building will probably never get to 100 MPH and
will probably never see more than 1.5 - 2.0 Gs. Give me a break!
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Excellent attitude...
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Charles Campbell
wrote:
Don't worry about it -- I don't.
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
Chuck,
I'm going to echo everyone's call to re-evaluate your spar material. We
don't want you to get hurt or your airplane to get bent.
You may be right, your spars may hold up for many hours of flight time.
Heck, the airplane may survive you. But, how horrible would you feel
if the next owner lost his or her life because your choice of sub-par
materials?
It has happened before - I've referenced a similar incident on the list
in the past.
We really wish you the best. Please reconsider your choice of materials.
Cheers,
Dan
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"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | "Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca> |
You should consider 4.5 Gs positive and 1.5 Gs negative when designing a
nonaerobatic aircraft.
Bob
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: March 28, 2011 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
I mean, if I were building a 300-HP, 300-MPH airplane this would be a
concern. The plane I'm building will probably never get to 100 MPH and
will probably never see more than 1.5 - 2.0 Gs. Give me a break!
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Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Excellent attitude...
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Charles Campbell
wrote:
Don't worry about it -- I don't.
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
And it was designed with these parameters in mind. If you use sub par mate
rials you are reducing the safety factors. If it was designed with 300mph
and 6+ -Gs in mind and you are operating at 100mph and 3.5+ 1.5- then that
would be a different story.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: cncampbell(at)windstream.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Date: Mon=2C 28 Mar 2011 08:44:33 -0400
I mean=2C if I were building a 300-HP=2C 300-MPH airplane this would be a c
oncern. The plane I'm building will probably never get to 100 MPH and will
probably never see more than 1.5 - 2.0 Gs. Give me a break!
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From: Ryan Mueller
Sent: Sunday=2C March 27=2C 2011 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Excellent attitude...
On Sun=2C Mar 27=2C 2011 at 6:57 PM=2C Charles Campbell wrote:
ream.net>
Don't worry about it -- I don't.
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Norm, here's the thing. I have epoxy glued 14 ribs to those spars. I
don't want to tear that whole thing up if I don't have to. This 'dar'
you mentioned, how can I find out who he/she is for my area and do you
think he/she would be willing to come look at the wing to see if I
REALLY need to tear it up? I'm satisfied that for what the airplane
will be asked to do that it would be perfectly safe. But, as you say,
it would be a shame to get the thing finished and then not be able to
get it licensed. I would appreciate your ideas. Chuck
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Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
I too think you should get some local help on selecting your spar
quality ,
perhaps an eaa chapter ,, or fellow builder or ? It would be a shame
if your dar fails it after all your hard work , please accept this as
friendly criticism regards norm
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| From: | Tim White <aa5flyer(at)gmail.com> |
Its coming
From: cncampbell(at)windstream.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Date: Mon=2C 28 Mar 2011 08:44:33 -0400
I mean=2C if I were building a 300-HP=2C 300-MPH airplane this would be a c
oncern. The plane I'm building will probably never get to 100 MPH and will
probably never see more than 1.5 - 2.0 Gs. Give me a break!
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
Sent: Sunday=2C March 27=2C 2011 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Excellent attitude...
On Sun=2C Mar 27=2C 2011 at 6:57 PM=2C Charles Campbell wrote:
ream.net>
Don't worry about it -- I don't.
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
I've been biting my tongue on this one, but Chuck's responses warrant a comment,
I think.
Chuck wrote:
> I mean, if I were building a 300-HP, 300-MPH airplane this would be a concern.
The plane I'm building will probably never get to 100 MPH and will probably
never see more than 1.5 - 2.0 Gs. Give me a break!
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1. If you were building a 300HP, 300MPH airplane, the spars would have been designed
to handle the stresses that such a plane would encounter. But you're building
a less-than-100HP, less-than-100MPH airplane that was designed as such.
The spars as indicated in the plans are sized for the conditions that THIS airplane
is expected to encounter. If you use materials that do not meet the normally
accepted standards, as set out in AC 43.13-1b, then you are basically weakening
the structure of the aircraft.
2. If you do a 60 degree banked turn, your airplane will see 2 Gs. If you make
a steeper turn, you could easily see 3 Gs or more. Add some turbulence, and it
gets even worse. General aviation light aircraft are designed to withstand +4
Gs. Using sub-standard spars can significantly reduce the stresses that the airframe
can safely handle.
Some parts of an aircraft can withstand some damage, and manage to make it safely
back to earth. The spars are not among those parts. If a spar fails in flight,
you (and any passenger) are toast.
Hopefully the "break" you're asking for is not in one of your spars.
Give this matter some serious thought, Chuck.
Bill C.
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| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
Charles,
Have you rigged and trammeled the wing yet? If so, you should not
have glued the ribs in place anyway. The ribs are not a structural
part of the wing per se, the spars, compression struts and drag/
antidrag cables are what give the wing its proper shape/geometry and
structural strength.
Kip Gardner
On Mar 28, 2011, at 9:55 AM, Charles Campbell wrote:
> Norm, here's the thing. I have epoxy glued 14 ribs to those spars.
> I don't want to tear that whole thing up if I don't have to. This
> 'dar' you mentioned, how can I find out who he/she is for my area
> and do you think he/she would be willing to come look at the wing to
> see if I REALLY need to tear it up? I'm satisfied that for what the
> airplane will be asked to do that it would be perfectly safe. But,
> as you say, it would be a shame to get the thing finished and then
> not be able to get it licensed. I would appreciate your ideas. Chuck
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: norm
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
>
> I too think you should get some local help on selecting your spar
> quality ,
> perhaps an eaa chapter ,, or fellow builder or ? It would be a
> shame if your dar fails it after all your hard work , please accept
> this as friendly criticism regards norm
>
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> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 6:25:29 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Torque Control Tube Location |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi Jack - I think I understand what you're asking. There's not much room in the
cockpit to slide that bottom aileron control attachment horn forward. I built
the controls before I figured out the wing geometry. In order to accommodate
the rearward slope of the cables, I clearanced the panel base plywood upon
assembly. Hope that makes sense and I hope I understood your question.
Kevin
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Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
Chuck:
The FAR's for structual wood is pretty clear. The maximum allowable grain run out
(slope of the grain lines) is 1 inch in 15 inches. From your photographs you
have some ares where it is 1 inch in 2. Your grain pattern is also wavy. The
FAR's allow this. but only if the run out is maintained, which in your case it
isn't. In addition the number of annular groth rings should be a minimum of
6 per inch, but preferably in the 12 to 15 per inch range. In some areas of your
spars it looks to be 1 line per inch.
Chuck, I know you have put a lot of effort in getting your wings to this state,
but the bottom line is that they are unsafe. Its highly unlikely you will get
an airworthiness certificate upon inspection. Its far better to correct the problem
now rather putting more effort into it.
Rick Schreiber,
Valparaiso, IN
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Torque Control Tube Location |
Jack,
I also have a 4" tilt back (swag), and the aileron portion of my assembly is
built to plans. The routing holes for the cable were done with strings and
eyeballs, but the end result is that there was plenty of room behind the
instruments; and I did not increase the length of my cabanes, making the
angle greater than those who have..not sure if that helps.
Gary Boothe
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:10 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Torque Control Tube Location
Ready to mount my control assembly. Considering the angle the aileron
cables pass through the slot in the panel base up to the center section
pulleys. I'm just guessing my wing will be 4 inches aft of perpendicular.
(Is this average for a long fuselage, C-85, split gear, heavier than average
tail) Can someone help with the calculation of how far the aileron control
horn needs to be forward of the slot in the panel base? Assuming a rise of
approximately 46" (horn to slot 22" and slot to c-section 24") and wing aft
4" equals having the horn 4" forward the slot?? Not sure I have that much
room.
Thanks!!
Jack
DSM
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| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Quick correction to Rick's post. The minimum of 6 growth rings per
inch is for Sitka Spruce (as well as Hemlock). For Douglas Fir, the
minimum is 8 growth rings per inch. The run out figure of 1 inch in
15 is the same across these wood types.
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Richard Schreiber
wrote:
> Chuck:
> The FAR's for structual wood is pretty clear. The maximum allowable grain
> run out (slope of the grain lines) is 1 inch in 15 inches. From your
> photographs you have some ares where it is 1 inch in 2. Your grain pattern
> is also wavy. The FAR's allow this. but only if the run out is maintained,
> which in your case it isn't. In addition the number of annular groth rings
> should be a minimum of 6 per inch, but preferably in the 12 to 15 per inch
> range. In some areas of your spars it looks to be 1 line per inch.
>
> Chuck, I know you have put a lot of effort in getting your wings to this
> state, but the bottom line is that they are unsafe. Its highly unlikely you
> will get an airworthiness certificate upon inspection. Its far better to
> correct the problem now rather putting more effort into it.
>
> Rick Schreiber,
> Valparaiso, IN
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
I'm trying to visualize what it must be like for Chuck, when he realizes, or
learns from his DAR or FAA inspector, that his spars are un-airworthy, and
what the possible resolves are. Is it worth trying to save all those ribs
and figure out a way to remove the spar without damaging each rib? For me it
would be, but I know others who actually enjoy making those crazy things!
How about you, Chuck? Are you interested in putting forth the question and
getting some ideas on how to cut the ribs loose?
Gary Boothe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
Chuck:
Here is a link to a very good report from the EAA on spar wood selection. http://www.oshkosh365.org/saarchive/eaa_articles/1966_09_19.pdf
By the way the number of growth lines per inch that I quoted was for spruce. For
douglas fir, which it appears your spars are, its actually a minimum of 8 per
inch.
Attached is an example of typical spruce spar material from Aircraft Spruce.
Regards,
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
Sent: 3/28/2011 11:26:53 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Chuck:
The FAR's for structual wood is pretty clear. The maximum allowable grain run out
(slope of the grain lines) is 1 inch in 15 inches. From your photographs you
have some ares where it is 1 inch in 2. Your grain pattern is also wavy. The
FAR's allow this. but only if the run out is maintained, which in your case it
isn't. In addition the number of annular groth rings should be a minimum of
6 per inch, but preferably in the 12 to 15 per inch range. In some areas of your
spars it looks to be 1 line per inch.
Chuck, I know you have put a lot of effort in getting your wings to this state,
but the bottom line is that they are unsafe. Its highly unlikely you will get
an airworthiness certificate upon inspection. Its far better to correct the problem
now rather putting more effort into it.
Rick Schreiber,
Valparaiso, IN
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Torque Control Tube Location |
It does Kevin, thanks. I'm just trying to "predict the future" hoping the
cables won't interfere with instruments' or depart through the panel.
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 9:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Torque Control Tube Location
Hi Jack - I think I understand what you're asking. There's not much room in
the cockpit to slide that bottom aileron control attachment horn forward. I
built the controls before I figured out the wing geometry. In order to
accommodate the rearward slope of the cables, I clearanced the panel base
plywood upon assembly. Hope that makes sense and I hope I understood your
question.
Kevin
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335273#335273
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
Gary:
I with you on this one! It certainly would be devastating to wind out that the
spars are not acceptable. Here are a couple of possibilities.
1. Consider the spars as toast. Carefully cut the spars between each rib, then
using whatever means necessary, remove the spar materal from each of the ribs.
It would be alot of work, but certainly less than rebuilding all of the ribs.
2. Junk the whole wing assembly and order another set of finished ribs. I know
that Edgar Howe sells a nice set of completed ribs (either the original Pietenpol
airfoil or the Riblett 612 for around $300. I know that I sure wouldn't have
the heart to redo the ribs.
Chuck, if you decide to order the ribs, Edgar can be reached at 219-508-6880. He
also will be at Brodhead with ribs for sale.
Regards,
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5
Sent: 3/28/2011 12:16:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Im trying to visualize what it must be like for Chuck, when he realizes, or learns
from his DAR or FAA inspector, that his spars are un-airworthy, and what the
possible resolves are. Is it worth trying to save all those ribs and figure
out a way to remove the spar without damaging each rib? For me it would be, but
I know others who actually enjoy making those crazy things!
How about you, Chuck? Are you interested in putting forth the question and getting
some ideas on how to cut the ribs loose?
Gary Boothe
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
don, these are made of Douglas Fir and I thought they would be much stronger
than spruce. The strength tables show that they are.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 7:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
>
> Chuck,
>
> Please take these comments as positive, caring, criticism. The way the
> pictures look the spars do not meet the wood specs that are called for.
> We do have the liberty to build what we want and basically how we want,
> but those specs have been called out for a reason. Please check them
> over. I've built several spars for several airplanes and this is an area
> that you clearly don't want to use sub par materials. The really cool
> thing right now is that there doesn't seem to be a shortage of excellent
> spar quality spruce wood. Probably about $800 will get you excellent spar
> material from one of the top aircraft suppliers and you'll have it in
> about 2 weeks. Pretty good for the most important structural part of the
> airplane.
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335243#335243
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | SENTUCHOWS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rounded Seat for Delrin Needle, Stromberg Carb, |
Conti...
Curt
I have not heard from Mike. If you want the needle seat let me know.
Just send me your address.
Dave
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Don, what do you think of the rear spar? Can you see enough of it to
comment?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 7:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
>
> Chuck,
>
> Please take these comments as positive, caring, criticism. The way the
> pictures look the spars do not meet the wood specs that are called for.
> We do have the liberty to build what we want and basically how we want,
> but those specs have been called out for a reason. Please check them
> over. I've built several spars for several airplanes and this is an area
> that you clearly don't want to use sub par materials. The really cool
> thing right now is that there doesn't seem to be a shortage of excellent
> spar quality spruce wood. Probably about $800 will get you excellent spar
> material from one of the top aircraft suppliers and you'll have it in
> about 2 weeks. Pretty good for the most important structural part of the
> airplane.
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335243#335243
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
I have already received a couple, but go ahead if you have any
suggestions.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
I'm trying to visualize what it must be like for Chuck, when he
realizes, or learns from his DAR or FAA inspector, that his spars are
un-airworthy, and what the possible resolves are. Is it worth trying to
save all those ribs and figure out a way to remove the spar without
damaging each rib? For me it would be, but I know others who actually
enjoy making those crazy things!
How about you, Chuck? Are you interested in putting forth the question
and getting some ideas on how to cut the ribs loose?
Gary Boothe
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Hi Chuck,
I really feel for you and the bad feeling you get at the thought of re-doing something
like this. It just sucks!
I know that Douglas Fir is supposedly stronger, but even the rear spars don't appear
to meet the specs. I understand a big reason for the grain per inch spec
has some to do with warpage, but strength is a very big issue too. Strength
that is measureable and consistent is found in spar examples that meet the specs.
If you don't meets those specs then you really don't know what you have.
Again the whole idea of re-doing something like this sucks. I made center section
fittings I didn't think were good so I dismantled the whole centersection
and built new. Then there was the time the hangar collapsed on the finished airplane
and I had to rebuild. It just sucks!
Maybe you could cut the upright where the rib is glued to the spar and then when
replacing the spar you could just splice in a new upright. That's how I rebuilt
my centersection.
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335315#335315
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| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Incredible, I was up at Dave's place just 2 weeks ago looking at his 235
engine parts scattered all over the living room, a beautiful new Sensenich
aluminum prop, and some tubing that Dave said would take him maybe a day to
make into an engine mount and look at it now, its ready to run.
Incredible work Dave
rick
(and you guys won't believe what Dave's next project is, he already has the
plans and is tracking down some engines)
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:09 AM, Dangerous Dave wrote:
>
> Not much more to do,should be done here shortly,dave
>
> --------
> Covering Piet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335240#335240
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011_03_27_07_55_54_338_459.jpg
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Drive a =BD=94 chisel under each rib, from both sides. Remove rib, clean
up with
a file.
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
I have already received a couple, but go ahead if you have any
suggestions.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5 <mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
I=92m trying to visualize what it must be like for Chuck, when he
realizes, or
learns from his DAR or FAA inspector, that his spars are un-airworthy,
and
what the possible resolves are. Is it worth trying to save all those
ribs
and figure out a way to remove the spar without damaging each rib? For
me it
would be, but I know others who actually enjoy making those crazy
things!
How about you, Chuck? Are you interested in putting forth the question
and
getting some ideas on how to cut the ribs loose?
Gary Boothe
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronic
s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
What do the initials DAR stand for? It's designated aircraft R-------?
I'm going to try to find the one for my area and I want it from the
horse's mouth that he won't approve my wing before I do ANYTHING.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Gary:
I with you on this one! It certainly would be devastating to wind out
that the spars are not acceptable. Here are a couple of possibilities.
1. Consider the spars as toast. Carefully cut the spars between each
rib, then using whatever means necessary, remove the spar materal from
each of the ribs. It would be alot of work, but certainly less than
rebuilding all of the ribs.
2. Junk the whole wing assembly and order another set of finished
ribs. I know that Edgar Howe sells a nice set of completed ribs (either
the original Pietenpol airfoil or the Riblett 612 for around $300. I
know that I sure wouldn't have the heart to redo the ribs.
Chuck, if you decide to order the ribs, Edgar can be reached at
219-508-6880. He also will be at Brodhead with ribs for sale.
Regards,
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: 3/28/2011 12:16:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
I'm trying to visualize what it must be like for Chuck, when he
realizes, or learns from his DAR or FAA inspector, that his spars are
un-airworthy, and what the possible resolves are. Is it worth trying to
save all those ribs and figure out a way to remove the spar without
damaging each rib? For me it would be, but I know others who actually
enjoy making those crazy things!
How about you, Chuck? Are you interested in putting forth the
question and getting some ideas on how to cut the ribs loose?
Gary Boothe
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp:/
/forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
I don't believe I'll be ordering ribs that have been made by someone
else. I think I can salvedge the ones I have if it comes to that.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Gary:
I with you on this one! It certainly would be devastating to wind out
that the spars are not acceptable. Here are a couple of possibilities.
1. Consider the spars as toast. Carefully cut the spars between each
rib, then using whatever means necessary, remove the spar materal from
each of the ribs. It would be alot of work, but certainly less than
rebuilding all of the ribs.
2. Junk the whole wing assembly and order another set of finished
ribs. I know that Edgar Howe sells a nice set of completed ribs (either
the original Pietenpol airfoil or the Riblett 612 for around $300. I
know that I sure wouldn't have the heart to redo the ribs.
Chuck, if you decide to order the ribs, Edgar can be reached at
219-508-6880. He also will be at Brodhead with ribs for sale.
Regards,
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: 3/28/2011 12:16:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
I'm trying to visualize what it must be like for Chuck, when he
realizes, or learns from his DAR or FAA inspector, that his spars are
un-airworthy, and what the possible resolves are. Is it worth trying to
save all those ribs and figure out a way to remove the spar without
damaging each rib? For me it would be, but I know others who actually
enjoy making those crazy things!
How about you, Chuck? Are you interested in putting forth the
question and getting some ideas on how to cut the ribs loose?
Gary Boothe
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp:/
/forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
How do I find out who the DAR is in my area?
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
I'm trying to visualize what it must be like for Chuck, when he
realizes, or learns from his DAR or FAA inspector, that his spars are
un-airworthy, and what the possible resolves are. Is it worth trying to
save all those ribs and figure out a way to remove the spar without
damaging each rib? For me it would be, but I know others who actually
enjoy making those crazy things!
How about you, Chuck? Are you interested in putting forth the question
and getting some ideas on how to cut the ribs loose?
Gary Boothe
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Chuck,
I am a new guy to this forum, and have yet to start building my ribs. I do, however,
feel for you.
>From my woodworking experience (and I am sure that there are plenty of people
on this forum with far more experience, than I), I guess i would start by cutting
all 14 ribs off the spars. Cut through the spars as close as possible to each
rib (but not too close) and lay the ribs aside. I know when I am unhappy with
work that I have done, the first thing I want to do is get rid of the evidence!
I am trying to make a joke here, but the truth is that I want the unacceptable
work gone.
I would then come up with the top 5 ways to fix the problem. Next, I would go one
by one and try them until you find the easiest, best way to accomplish the
job. Some suggestions-
1. I like Don's idea of cutting through the rib and both uprights, clean up the
inside portions of the capstrips, put the rib back on the jig and redo the uprights.
2. You could try taking a chisel and carefully chipping away at the portion of
rib that remains.
3. Start a kindling for next winter, and start over on half your ribs. (The least
palatable choice, but the one I would probably think of doing, out of frustration).
4. Buy 'em and call it a tuition payment to the school of airplane building.
I wish you the best and I will keep you posted as I begin making my ribs. I know
that you will do well as you move forward. Don't let this take the wind out
of your sails.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335323#335323
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
http://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/designees_delegations/desi
gnee_types/dar/
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Charles Campbell wrote:
> How do I find out who the DAR is in my area?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Gboothe5
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 28, 2011 12:43 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
>
> I=92m trying to visualize what it must be like for Chuck, when he realiz
es,
> or learns from his DAR or FAA inspector, that his spars are un-airworthy,
> and what the possible resolves are. Is it worth trying to save all those
> ribs and figure out a way to remove the spar without damaging each rib? F
or
> me it would be, but I know others who actually enjoy making those crazy
> things!
>
>
> How about you, Chuck? Are you interested in putting forth the question an
d
> getting some ideas on how to cut the ribs loose?
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
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| From: | "Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca> |
I also have an extra set of standard Piet ribs which I would let go very
reasonably. I bought them about two years ago.
Bob
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: March 28, 2011 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
What do the initials DAR stand for? It's designated aircraft R-------?
I'm going to try to find the one for my area and I want it from the
horse's mouth that he won't approve my wing before I do ANYTHING.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber <mailto:lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Gary:
I with you on this one! It certainly would be devastating to wind out that
the spars are not acceptable. Here are a couple of possibilities.
1. Consider the spars as toast. Carefully cut the spars between each rib,
then using whatever means necessary, remove the spar materal from each of
the ribs. It would be alot of work, but certainly less than rebuilding all
of the ribs.
2. Junk the whole wing assembly and order another set of finished ribs. I
know that Edgar Howe sells a nice set of completed ribs (either the
original Pietenpol airfoil or the Riblett 612 for around $300. I know that
I sure wouldn't have the heart to redo the ribs.
Chuck, if you decide to order the ribs, Edgar can be reached at
219-508-6880. He also will be at Brodhead with ribs for sale.
Regards,
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5 <mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: 3/28/2011 12:16:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
I'm trying to visualize what it must be like for Chuck, when he realizes,
or learns from his DAR or FAA inspector, that his spars are un-airworthy,
and what the possible resolves are. Is it worth trying to save all those
ribs and figure out a way to remove the spar without damaging each rib?
For me it would be, but I know others who actually enjoy making those
crazy things!
How about you, Chuck? Are you interested in putting forth the question and
getting some ideas on how to cut the ribs loose?
Gary Boothe
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http:/
/forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
OK, Don. Thanks for your concern. I am in the process of locating the
designated inspector for this region. I want to talk to him before I do
anything about ripping my wing apart. The way you suggested is the way I
will do it if it comes to that. Thanks again. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 3:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
>
> Hi Chuck,
>
> I really feel for you and the bad feeling you get at the thought of
> re-doing something like this. It just sucks!
>
> I know that Douglas Fir is supposedly stronger, but even the rear spars
> don't appear to meet the specs. I understand a big reason for the grain
> per inch spec has some to do with warpage, but strength is a very big
> issue too. Strength that is measureable and consistent is found in spar
> examples that meet the specs. If you don't meets those specs then you
> really don't know what you have.
>
> Again the whole idea of re-doing something like this sucks. I made center
> section fittings I didn't think were good so I dismantled the whole
> centersection and built new. Then there was the time the hangar collapsed
> on the finished airplane and I had to rebuild. It just sucks!
>
> Maybe you could cut the upright where the rib is glued to the spar and
> then when replacing the spar you could just splice in a new upright.
> That's how I rebuilt my centersection.
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335315#335315
>
>
>
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Sounds good, Gary. Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 3:53 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Drive a =BD" chisel under each rib, from both sides. Remove rib, clean
up with a file.
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:06 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
I have already received a couple, but go ahead if you have any
suggestions.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
I'm trying to visualize what it must be like for Chuck, when he
realizes, or learns from his DAR or FAA inspector, that his spars are
un-airworthy, and what the possible resolves are. Is it worth trying to
save all those ribs and figure out a way to remove the spar without
damaging each rib? For me it would be, but I know others who actually
enjoy making those crazy things!
How about you, Chuck? Are you interested in putting forth the
question and getting some ideas on how to cut the ribs loose?
Gary Boothe
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
Chuck:
>From the EAA...."In order for an amateur-built or light-sport airworthiness certificate
to be issued to an aircraft, it must be inspected by a representative
of the FAA. This can be either an FAA employee or a private individual who has
been designated by the FAA to perform these inspections. This designee is called
a Designated Airworthiness Representative, or "DAR". Due to budgetary and
manpower restrictions at FAA offices, most applicants will find it more expedient
to work with a DAR.
The Amateur-Built (AB) FAA Designated Airworthiness Representative (DAR) program
is a joint effort between EAA, the FAA and the Transportation Safety Institute
(TSI), and is designed to provide amateur-built aircraft builders greater access
to AB DARs to certify their completed aircraft.
AB DARs have the FAA authorization to complete the final inspection and issue the
airworthiness certificate and operating limitations for your amateur-built
aircraft. "
Here is a link about this from the EAA http://members.eaa.org/home/govt/help/ab_dar.asp
It is my understanding that it used to be that you had to have an FAA pre-cover
inspection and authorization before proceeding to the covering phase on fabric
covered experimatal aircraft. Due to the budgetary constraints this has been
eliminated and mostly replaced by the use of EAA tech counselors.
In our local EAA chapter we have 2 EAA tech counselors that have kept track of
my progress for the past 8 years. If I don't call them, they will call me to come
out and inspect my Piet. There is no charge for the inspection. After the
inspection a report is filled out with a copy to me and a copy for the EAA and
FAA.
As a hypthetical question, if during your final inspection by the FAA or a DAR
you are asked about what you used for your spars, what are you going to say?
You will not have a reciept showing your spars were aircraft grade spruce and
photographs of the finished wings to prove it. What you currently have are photos
of Douglas Fir spars that do not come close to meeting the FAR's. What then?
Your best course of action is to have a EAA tech councelor come out and look at
the wings. At least that way you have someone you can talk to about the concerns
face to face. As I think Don Emch said, We are not trying to get in your face
about this. We all have empathy for you, as there is not one of us who has
not had to do some serious reconstruction. We just want to make sure you stay
safe and take the best path forward.
Regards,
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Campbell
Sent: 3/28/2011 3:36:11 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
What do the initials DAR stand for? It's designated aircraft R-------? I'm going
to try to find the one for my area and I want it from the horse's mouth that
he won't approve my wing before I do ANYTHING.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Gary:
I with you on this one! It certainly would be devastating to wind out that the
spars are not acceptable. Here are a couple of possibilities.
1. Consider the spars as toast. Carefully cut the spars between each rib, then
using whatever means necessary, remove the spar materal from each of the ribs.
It would be alot of work, but certainly less than rebuilding all of the ribs.
2. Junk the whole wing assembly and order another set of finished ribs. I know
that Edgar Howe sells a nice set of completed ribs (either the original Pietenpol
airfoil or the Riblett 612 for around $300. I know that I sure wouldn't have
the heart to redo the ribs.
Chuck, if you decide to order the ribs, Edgar can be reached at 219-508-6880. He
also will be at Brodhead with ribs for sale.
Regards,
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5
Sent: 3/28/2011 12:16:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Im trying to visualize what it must be like for Chuck, when he realizes, or learns
from his DAR or FAA inspector, that his spars are un-airworthy, and what the
possible resolves are. Is it worth trying to save all those ribs and figure
out a way to remove the spar without damaging each rib? For me it would be, but
I know others who actually enjoy making those crazy things!
How about you, Chuck? Are you interested in putting forth the question and getting
some ideas on how to cut the ribs loose?
Gary Boothe
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| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Chuck,
It sounds like you have a very good plan. One nice thing about having a DAR come
out to visit is that you can load up with a whole bunch of questions and just
spend a couple of hours drilling him on many different subjects. Good luck!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
Chuck, I can relate to hating having to rebuild completed parts for your ai
rplane.- I am in the process of making new landing gear shock struts, whi
ch were "done".- The hardest part of this airplane building thing, is bei
ng honest with yourself.- I know how easy it is to talk yourself into say
ing "It will be alright".- If you have to spend a few dollars to rebuild
your wings do it.- It is cheaper than rebuilding your whole, completed ai
rplane wen it fails, and you will be hating yourself wishing you had rebuil
t the spars.- It is all part of the experiance.- It won't be as hard as
you think.- Put pride aside, an ounce of prevension, is worth a ton of f
ixing later.
-
Just my humble oppinion,
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun'n'Fun favor |
Hi Tom
Give me a call tonight or tomorrow, I can help you.
I'm at Sun n Fun so don't e mail me back, I wont get your message for a
couple of days.
612-805-1742
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun'n'Fun favor
Anyone still reading email that's attending Sun'n'fun, I could use a
favor if you're willing.
I'm trying to get a bunch of turnbuckles from B&B but he's got
everything at Sun'n'Fun. Wondering if anyone would be willing to get me
some and promptly be reimbursed. Preferably someone from Minneapolis
area - Dick Navratril perhaps???
Later,
Tom Brant
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I agree with Don. It's no fun re-doing something that is finished or close to it.
I have re-made fittings and re-thought my methods of construction many times.
Removing the rib upright that is epoxied to the spar is the easiest way to free
the ribs from the spar. That can be done with a coping saw or that little hack
saw blade holder you have seen me use.(web site) Then you only need to cut new
cap strips, fit in place, add gussets.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Mon, 3/28/11, Don Emch wrote:
> From: Don Emch <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 3:34 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "Don Emch"
>
> Hi Chuck,
>
> I really feel for you and the bad feeling you get at the
> thought of re-doing something like this. It just
> sucks!
>
> I know that Douglas Fir is supposedly stronger, but even
> the rear spars don't appear to meet the specs. I
> understand a big reason for the grain per inch spec has some
> to do with warpage, but strength is a very big issue
> too. Strength that is measureable and consistent is
> found in spar examples that meet the specs. If you
> don't meets those specs then you really don't know what you
> have.
>
> Again the whole idea of re-doing something like this
> sucks. I made center section fittings I didn't think
> were good so I dismantled the whole centersection and built
> new. Then there was the time the hangar collapsed on
> the finished airplane and I had to rebuild. It just
> sucks!
>
> Maybe you could cut the upright where the rib is glued to
> the spar and then when replacing the spar you could just
> splice in a new upright. That's how I rebuilt my
> centersection.
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335315#335315
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Email Forum -
> FAQ,
> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> List Contribution Web Site -
> -Matt
> Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Thanks, Shad. Good advice!
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Chuck, I can relate to hating having to rebuild completed parts
for your airplane. I am in the process of making new landing gear shock
struts, which were "done". The hardest part of this airplane building
thing, is being honest with yourself. I know how easy it is to talk
yourself into saying "It will be alright". If you have to spend a few
dollars to rebuild your wings do it. It is cheaper than rebuilding your
whole, completed airplane wen it fails, and you will be hating yourself
wishing you had rebuilt the spars. It is all part of the experiance.
It won't be as hard as you think. Put pride aside, an ounce of
prevension, is worth a ton of fixing later.
Just my humble oppinion,
Shad
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Chuck, as I recall you're in Winston-Salem, right? If I were you I would
contact Eric Minnis, at the Greensboro FSDO. He's a homebuilder and very
knowledgeable. He also is NOT your typical Fed (he refers to Oklahoma City
as FAA Hindquarters). He can give you a more definitive ruling than any
DAR. He's a good guy and will tell you the truth.
Try eric.minnis(at)faa.gov
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
What do the initials DAR stand for? It's designated aircraft R-------? I'm
going to try to find the one for my area and I want it from the horse's
mouth that he won't approve my wing before I do ANYTHING.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard <mailto:lmforge(at)earthlink.net> Schreiber
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Gary:
I with you on this one! It certainly would be devastating to wind out that
the spars are not acceptable. Here are a couple of possibilities.
1. Consider the spars as toast. Carefully cut the spars between each rib,
then using whatever means necessary, remove the spar materal from each of
the ribs. It would be alot of work, but certainly less than rebuilding all
of the ribs.
2. Junk the whole wing assembly and order another set of finished ribs. I
know that Edgar Howe sells a nice set of completed ribs (either the original
Pietenpol airfoil or the Riblett 612 for around $300. I know that I sure
wouldn't have the heart to redo the ribs.
Chuck, if you decide to order the ribs, Edgar can be reached at
219-508-6880. He also will be at Brodhead with ribs for sale.
Regards,
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5 <mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: 3/28/2011 12:16:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
I'm trying to visualize what it must be like for Chuck, when he realizes, or
learns from his DAR or FAA inspector, that his spars are un-airworthy, and
what the possible resolves are. Is it worth trying to save all those ribs
and figure out a way to remove the spar without damaging each rib? For me it
would be, but I know others who actually enjoy making those crazy things!
How about you, Chuck? Are you interested in putting forth the question and
getting some ideas on how to cut the ribs loose?
Gary Boothe
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http:/
/forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
One advantage to having the FSDO do the inspection is that they will do it
for free, where a DAR will charge as much as $500 for an inspection. And
the FSDO can make an absolute ruling, where the DAR will always worry about
the FSDO looking over his shoulder.
And if you can wait a couple of weeks, I can come look at it for you. I am
an EAA Tech Counselor. But I expect I can give you my ruling just from
looking at the photos. I would not fly with such spars. Nor would I glue
the ribs in place until the rest of the wing was built (and even then just
tack them in place if anything).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 9:56 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Chuck, as I recall you're in Winston-Salem, right? If I were you I would
contact Eric Minnis, at the Greensboro FSDO. He's a homebuilder and very
knowledgeable. He also is NOT your typical Fed (he refers to Oklahoma City
as FAA Hindquarters). He can give you a more definitive ruling than any
DAR. He's a good guy and will tell you the truth.
Try eric.minnis(at)faa.gov
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
What do the initials DAR stand for? It's designated aircraft R-------? I'm
going to try to find the one for my area and I want it from the horse's
mouth that he won't approve my wing before I do ANYTHING.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard <mailto:lmforge(at)earthlink.net> Schreiber
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Gary:
I with you on this one! It certainly would be devastating to wind out that
the spars are not acceptable. Here are a couple of possibilities.
1. Consider the spars as toast. Carefully cut the spars between each rib,
then using whatever means necessary, remove the spar materal from each of
the ribs. It would be alot of work, but certainly less than rebuilding all
of the ribs.
2. Junk the whole wing assembly and order another set of finished ribs. I
know that Edgar Howe sells a nice set of completed ribs (either the original
Pietenpol airfoil or the Riblett 612 for around $300. I know that I sure
wouldn't have the heart to redo the ribs.
Chuck, if you decide to order the ribs, Edgar can be reached at
219-508-6880. He also will be at Brodhead with ribs for sale.
Regards,
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5 <mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: 3/28/2011 12:16:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
I'm trying to visualize what it must be like for Chuck, when he realizes, or
learns from his DAR or FAA inspector, that his spars are un-airworthy, and
what the possible resolves are. Is it worth trying to save all those ribs
and figure out a way to remove the spar without damaging each rib? For me it
would be, but I know others who actually enjoy making those crazy things!
How about you, Chuck? Are you interested in putting forth the question and
getting some ideas on how to cut the ribs loose?
Gary Boothe
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http:/
/forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "Chuck Weyant" <chuck(at)chuckdirect.com> |
I might add that if you do auger in, it will be another one of those
dangerous experimental airplanes that most of the public thinks should be
outlawed. Think about the rest of us Chuck (if not yourself), build it
right or don't build it at all. We don't need any more bad press than we
already have. You owe it to the sport.
CW
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 7:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
I've been biting my tongue on this one, but Chuck's responses warrant a
comment, I think.
Chuck wrote:
> I mean, if I were building a 300-HP, 300-MPH airplane this would be a
concern. The plane I'm building will probably never get to 100 MPH and will
probably never see more than 1.5 - 2.0 Gs. Give me a break!
>
1. If you were building a 300HP, 300MPH airplane, the spars would have been
designed to handle the stresses that such a plane would encounter. But
you're building a less-than-100HP, less-than-100MPH airplane that was
designed as such. The spars as indicated in the plans are sized for the
conditions that THIS airplane is expected to encounter. If you use materials
that do not meet the normally accepted standards, as set out in AC 43.13-1b,
then you are basically weakening the structure of the aircraft.
2. If you do a 60 degree banked turn, your airplane will see 2 Gs. If you
make a steeper turn, you could easily see 3 Gs or more. Add some turbulence,
and it gets even worse. General aviation light aircraft are designed to
withstand +4 Gs. Using sub-standard spars can significantly reduce the
stresses that the airframe can safely handle.
Some parts of an aircraft can withstand some damage, and manage to make it
safely back to earth. The spars are not among those parts. If a spar fails
in flight, you (and any passenger) are toast.
Hopefully the "break" you're asking for is not in one of your spars.
Give this matter some serious thought, Chuck.
Bill C.
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Dave
Could you explain how you built your engine mount for that sweet looking
real airplane engine? What kind of a jig did you use, how did you stop it
from twisting when welding(is it gas or TIG welded). Details details
details and I want larger pictures. YES, I said larger pictures so I can
see some detail.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dangerous
Dave
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Almost done
-->
Not much more to do,should be done here shortly,dave
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Yaawwn.....new thread needed- Did you ever think........... |
Occam's Razor
Corollary; If it's worked for hundreds of years don't
screw with it.
Also, if you want to continue this mind experiment
to it's ridiculous conclusion, what have you done by
drilling holes in bolts thereby compromising their
structural integrity? :-)
Oohh... now I've done it! Is your wife going to wake
up tomorrow and find your pajamas filled with a
mindless puddle........? Oohhhh no Mister Bill!
Nasty Clif
I have no intention of putting cotter pins through
my nuts, thank you very much!
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Yaawwn.....new thread needed- Did you ever
think...........
Did you ever think about how much faith is put into the lowly cotter
pin? I warn you, if you dwell on this subject too long you will begin to
scare yourself. I remember a few years ago when I did a test run of my
engine and I had the airplane completely assembled (no cover) with all
the castle nuts just hand tight. I have scared myself sufficiently, as
to contemplate fabricating a "hybrid" safety mechanism for those hidden
bellcrank connections............. How about this idea? Take a nylon
lock nut, drill a cotter pin hole in it, so it can be threaded-on just
short of being tight, and inserting a cotter pin. That way, you can have
a nice warm, fuzzy, and secure feeling of having all those AN3 sized
bolts double safetied.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Thanks, Jack. I just E-mailed him and asked for his opinion. I sent
him the same picture that started all the discussion. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 9:55 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Chuck, as I recall you're in Winston-Salem, right? If I were you I
would contact Eric Minnis, at the Greensboro FSDO. He's a homebuilder
and very knowledgeable. He also is NOT your typical Fed (he refers to
Oklahoma City as FAA Hindquarters). He can give you a more definitive
ruling than any DAR. He's a good guy and will tell you the truth.
Try eric.minnis(at)faa.gov
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:01 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
What do the initials DAR stand for? It's designated aircraft
R-------? I'm going to try to find the one for my area and I want it
from the horse's mouth that he won't approve my wing before I do
ANYTHING.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Gary:
I with you on this one! It certainly would be devastating to wind
out that the spars are not acceptable. Here are a couple of
possibilities.
1. Consider the spars as toast. Carefully cut the spars between each
rib, then using whatever means necessary, remove the spar materal from
each of the ribs. It would be alot of work, but certainly less than
rebuilding all of the ribs.
2. Junk the whole wing assembly and order another set of finished
ribs. I know that Edgar Howe sells a nice set of completed ribs (either
the original Pietenpol airfoil or the Riblett 612 for around $300. I
know that I sure wouldn't have the heart to redo the ribs.
Chuck, if you decide to order the ribs, Edgar can be reached at
219-508-6880. He also will be at Brodhead with ribs for sale.
Regards,
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: 3/28/2011 12:16:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
I'm trying to visualize what it must be like for Chuck, when he
realizes, or learns from his DAR or FAA inspector, that his spars are
un-airworthy, and what the possible resolves are. Is it worth trying to
save all those ribs and figure out a way to remove the spar without
damaging each rib? For me it would be, but I know others who actually
enjoy making those crazy things!
How about you, Chuck? Are you interested in putting forth the
question and getting some ideas on how to cut the ribs loose?
Gary Boothe
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
OK, Jack. Let's wait and see what the FSDO has to say. I have about
decided to go ahead and order spruce spar stock from A/S. I'll wait for
now. I sent Eric the same picture that you saw.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:34 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
One advantage to having the FSDO do the inspection is that they will
do it for free, where a DAR will charge as much as $500 for an
inspection. And the FSDO can make an absolute ruling, where the DAR
will always worry about the FSDO looking over his shoulder.
And if you can wait a couple of weeks, I can come look at it for you.
I am an EAA Tech Counselor. But I expect I can give you my ruling just
from looking at the photos. I would not fly with such spars. Nor would
I glue the ribs in place until the rest of the wing was built (and even
then just tack them in place if anything).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 9:56 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Chuck, as I recall you're in Winston-Salem, right? If I were you I
would contact Eric Minnis, at the Greensboro FSDO. He's a homebuilder
and very knowledgeable. He also is NOT your typical Fed (he refers to
Oklahoma City as FAA Hindquarters). He can give you a more definitive
ruling than any DAR. He's a good guy and will tell you the truth.
Try eric.minnis(at)faa.gov
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:01 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
What do the initials DAR stand for? It's designated aircraft
R-------? I'm going to try to find the one for my area and I want it
from the horse's mouth that he won't approve my wing before I do
ANYTHING.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Gary:
I with you on this one! It certainly would be devastating to wind
out that the spars are not acceptable. Here are a couple of
possibilities.
1. Consider the spars as toast. Carefully cut the spars between each
rib, then using whatever means necessary, remove the spar materal from
each of the ribs. It would be alot of work, but certainly less than
rebuilding all of the ribs.
2. Junk the whole wing assembly and order another set of finished
ribs. I know that Edgar Howe sells a nice set of completed ribs (either
the original Pietenpol airfoil or the Riblett 612 for around $300. I
know that I sure wouldn't have the heart to redo the ribs.
Chuck, if you decide to order the ribs, Edgar can be reached at
219-508-6880. He also will be at Brodhead with ribs for sale.
Regards,
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: 3/28/2011 12:16:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
I'm trying to visualize what it must be like for Chuck, when he
realizes, or learns from his DAR or FAA inspector, that his spars are
un-airworthy, and what the possible resolves are. Is it worth trying to
save all those ribs and figure out a way to remove the spar without
damaging each rib? For me it would be, but I know others who actually
enjoy making those crazy things!
How about you, Chuck? Are you interested in putting forth the
question and getting some ideas on how to cut the ribs loose?
Gary Boothe
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Charles been there done that, hang in there. The tool here
http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/multifunction-tools.html has helped
me get through many tight cutting and sanding situations.
Take care,
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
I agree with Don. It's no fun re-doing something that is finished or close
to it. I have re-made fittings and re-thought my methods of construction
many times.
Removing the rib upright that is epoxied to the spar is the easiest way to
free the ribs from the spar. That can be done with a coping saw or that
little hack saw blade holder you have seen me use.(web site) Then you only
need to cut new cap strips, fit in place, add gussets.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Mon, 3/28/11, Don Emch wrote:
> From: Don Emch <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 3:34 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "Don Emch"
>
> Hi Chuck,
>
> I really feel for you and the bad feeling you get at the
> thought of re-doing something like this. It just
> sucks!
>
> I know that Douglas Fir is supposedly stronger, but even
> the rear spars don't appear to meet the specs. I
> understand a big reason for the grain per inch spec has some
> to do with warpage, but strength is a very big issue
> too. Strength that is measureable and consistent is
> found in spar examples that meet the specs. If you
> don't meets those specs then you really don't know what you
> have.
>
> Again the whole idea of re-doing something like this
> sucks. I made center section fittings I didn't think
> were good so I dismantled the whole centersection and built
> new. Then there was the time the hangar collapsed on
> the finished airplane and I had to rebuild. It just
> sucks!
>
> Maybe you could cut the upright where the rib is glued to
> the spar and then when replacing the spar you could just
> splice in a new upright. That's how I rebuilt my
> centersection.
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335315#335315
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Email Forum -
> FAQ,
> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> List Contribution Web Site -
> -Matt
> Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Chris,Its pretty easy to make the jig.Used 2 pieces of mdf,one to replicate the
back of the engine with the center of thrust marked and drilled for Lord mounts,the
other to do the same for the firewall with aluminum brackets bolted on
where the engine mounts are,so a duplicate of the firewall.Then 2', 3/8" althread
rods run through 1" square aluminum tubing cut to the exact length of the
mount for spacers and rigidity and a 1x2 maple spacer on the bottom.Bolted on
the mount tubing,cut up and notched the tubing and oxy-act welded the thing together.Took
10 hrs,came out perfect.dave
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Chuck,
If you do glue the ribs I would suggest waiting until the wing parts are
done, I slid mine off and on the spars no less than 10 times through
construction. This is also true for most of the ship. To date my seats and
turtle deck are just clamped.
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Thanks, Shad. Good advice!
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell <mailto:aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Chuck, I can relate to hating having to rebuild completed parts for your
airplane. I am in the process of making new landing gear shock struts,
which were "done". The hardest part of this airplane building thing, is
being honest with yourself. I know how easy it is to talk yourself into
saying "It will be alright". If you have to spend a few dollars to rebuild
your wings do it. It is cheaper than rebuilding your whole, completed
airplane wen it fails, and you will be hating yourself wishing you had
rebuilt the spars. It is all part of the experiance. It won't be as hard
as you think. Put pride aside, an ounce of prevension, is worth a ton of
fixing later.
Just my humble oppinion,
Shad
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| Subject: | Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi - I'm installing the Weseman 5th bearing and have acquired WW's gold oil filter
adapter to facilitate getting oil to the new bearing. When I bought the K&N
1008 oil filter I noticed I had two female threads - one in the filter & one
in the adapter. If any of you have installed this system can you tell me what
you used for the double male fitting to connect the filter and the housing?
Honestly, the piece may have come with the adapter and it may be in the box and
I have dug that far. Haven't been to the hangar to be able to check, though.
I'll gladly take my beatings if that's the case.
I posted this on the corvair list and got nuthin'. Didn't ask WW 'cause he's at
Sun & Fun and likely not checking e-mail.
Thanks,
Kevin
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Way to go! You are so far ahead of me, and this latest thing with my
wing spars is going to set me back some more. I was hoping to finish
everything and fly off the test phase in time to fly to William Wynne's
'Corvair College' in Barnwell SC in November. Oh well, maybe I can just
drive down! Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:32 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Chuck,
If you do glue the ribs I would suggest waiting until the wing parts
are done, I slid mine off and on the spars no less than 10 times through
construction. This is also true for most of the ship. To date my seats
and turtle deck are just clamped.
Jack
DSM
www.textors.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:10 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Thanks, Shad. Good advice!
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
Chuck, I can relate to hating having to rebuild completed
parts for your airplane. I am in the process of making new landing gear
shock struts, which were "done". The hardest part of this airplane
building thing, is being honest with yourself. I know how easy it is to
talk yourself into saying "It will be alright". If you have to spend a
few dollars to rebuild your wings do it. It is cheaper than rebuilding
your whole, completed airplane wen it fails, and you will be hating
yourself wishing you had rebuilt the spars. It is all part of the
experiance. It won't be as hard as you think. Put pride aside, an
ounce of prevension, is worth a ton of fixing later.
Just my humble oppinion,
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Kevin,
I'm pretty sure that male/male adapter is in the box (or is supposed to be
in the box, at least). I recall seeing an adapter like that when I had my
conversion parts, and I'm pretty sure it came with the gold oil system
parts....
Ryan
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:18 AM, kevinpurtee wrote:
> kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
>
> Hi - I'm installing the Weseman 5th bearing and have acquired WW's gold oil
> filter adapter to facilitate getting oil to the new bearing. When I bought
> the K&N 1008 oil filter I noticed I had two female threads - one in the
> filter & one in the adapter. If any of you have installed this system can
> you tell me what you used for the double male fitting to connect the filter
> and the housing?
>
> Honestly, the piece may have come with the adapter and it may be in the box
> and I have dug that far. Haven't been to the hangar to be able to check,
> though. I'll gladly take my beatings if that's the case.
>
> I posted this on the corvair list and got nuthin'. Didn't ask WW 'cause
> he's at Sun & Fun and likely not checking e-mail.
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335389#335389
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Kevin
If you are not use the sandwich adapter with the gold oil thing you need to
get a male-to-male adapter from WW. Its the same thing used to attach the
sandwich adapter.
btw, I am also going with the Weseman bearing, would be interested in
hearing about your experience installing it, and also are you upgrading to a
higher flow oil pump? Dan said it may or may not be needed with his bearing.
rick
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:18 AM, kevinpurtee wrote:
> kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
>
> Hi - I'm installing the Weseman 5th bearing and have acquired WW's gold oil
> filter adapter to facilitate getting oil to the new bearing. When I bought
> the K&N 1008 oil filter I noticed I had two female threads - one in the
> filter & one in the adapter. If any of you have installed this system can
> you tell me what you used for the double male fitting to connect the filter
> and the housing?
>
> Honestly, the piece may have come with the adapter and it may be in the box
> and I have dug that far. Haven't been to the hangar to be able to check,
> though. I'll gladly take my beatings if that's the case.
>
> I posted this on the corvair list and got nuthin'. Didn't ask WW 'cause
> he's at Sun & Fun and likely not checking e-mail.
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335389#335389
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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| Subject: | Re: Rounded Seat for Delrin Needle, Stromberg |
Carb, Conti...
| From: | curtdm(at)gmail.com |
Hey Dave,
My address is:
Curtis Merdan
5304 Townsend Dr.
Flower Mound, TX 75028
If you hear from Matt Paxton after you send it, let me know. It was offered
to him first, and I'm not up for any internet brawls. I do have a lead on
another seat but he hasn't opened up his parts carb to find out what kind
he has.
Thanks,
Curtis Merdan
On Mar 28, 2011 12:57pm, SENTUCHOWS(at)aol.com wrote:
> Curt
> I have not heard from Mike. If you want the needle
> seat let me know. Just send me your address.
> Dave
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System |
Best picture I could find, Kevin. I'll bet it's in the box...
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 5:19 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil
System
Hi - I'm installing the Weseman 5th bearing and have acquired WW's gold oil
filter adapter to facilitate getting oil to the new bearing. When I bought
the K&N 1008 oil filter I noticed I had two female threads - one in the
filter & one in the adapter. If any of you have installed this system can
you tell me what you used for the double male fitting to connect the filter
and the housing?
Honestly, the piece may have come with the adapter and it may be in the box
and I have dug that far. Haven't been to the hangar to be able to check,
though. I'll gladly take my beatings if that's the case.
I posted this on the corvair list and got nuthin'. Didn't ask WW 'cause
he's at Sun & Fun and likely not checking e-mail.
Thanks,
Kevin
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Hi Chuck,
I am also an EAA Tech Counselor. I have been doing it for the past 15 years or
so and I am glad to hear that you are getting some outside help from all possible
resources. Kudo's to you.
If I came out and looked at you wings, I would also refer you to 43.13 and suggest
new spars. But keep in mind that EAA Tech Counselors can only offer suggestions
and help you make safe building decisions. I have found many unsafe conditions,
even in the Kit airplanes. Don't beat yourself up over it.
The advice from this group is right on and certainly makes this forum worth its
weight in gold. Keep listening and asking questions and you will have a nice
airplane that you will feel safe flying in and be proud of.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Very nice, Now you're getting it!
"oh! and we have 3 hours ground run time on our six cylinder "aircraft engine"
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Corvair 5th Bearing |
Hello, Fellow Lovers of the Corvair!
Last week I spent several days in Beautiful West Tennessee as my good
friend
Gene Pennington used to describe it, helping my mother do a bunch of
repairs
around the house. At age 87, she=92s not much good on a ladder anymore
so I
try to help her out every now and then.
While there, I managed to squeeze in a visit with Randy Bush and got to
see
his Pietenpol after its =93Crank Snapping=94 episode. Randy installed
the 5th
bearing from Roy=92s Garage and I must say I=92m impressed with the
design and
workmanship (both Roy=92s and Randy=92s). If you must fly behind a six
cylinder
engine that was never intended to go in an airplane, I would certainly
recommend adding the 5th bearing, and if you can, I would use the one
from
Roy=92s Garage. It is more trouble to install, requiring tearing the
engine
down completely, but provides more bearing area where you need it. It
also
adds about an inch or so to the overall length of the engine, requiring
some
cowling modification, but I think it is a good design ' almost as good
as a
real airplane engine.
I had hoped to fly Randy=92s plane (he offered, but it was only 41=B0
and I had
not brought any cold-weather clothing except a jacket), but look forward
to
flying it at Brodhead. I want to see for myself what a Pietenpol feels
like
with 100 hp of smooth 6-cylinder power. As long as there are plenty of
good
fields for forced landings around=85
Now if it will just warm up a few more degrees, I=92ll fly my Pietenpol
back
over the mountains to Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia, this afternoon.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Thanks all. No doubt the thing's in the box.
Ryan & Gary - Thanks for the pics.
Rick - I had to read the instructions a few times but it appears to be a pretty
straight-forward installation. I'm waiting on the install kit from the Wesemans
& hope to install it this weekend. Will let you know how it goes. I'm going
to install it & see what the oil pressure does. If it drops a noticeable
amount I'll ask Dan what his recommendation is. I'm guessing higher volume pumps
are available.
Thanks again,
Kevin
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Ya know, Jim, I'm pretty sure it's sitting in the box that I haven't dug through
completely. I love confirming that I'm a dumb@** in public. Gonna go to the
hangar today & make sure I actually have it, though I have no reason to believe
it's not there.
5th bearing: waiting on the install kit from the Wesemans. It's supposed to be
here. Anyway, assuming I have the install kit, I think I'll have the bearing
installed this weekend & should have the motor back together as well. That leaves
with getting an oil line to go from the gold oil thingy to the 5th bearing
and making whatever mod's to the cowl. The heads are back from Roy & they
look spectacular.
What did you do for the oil line?
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil System |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Ya know, Jim, I'm pretty sure it's sitting in the box that I haven't dug through
completely. I love confirming that I'm a dumb@** in public. Gonna go to the
hangar today & make sure I actually have it, though I have no reason to believe
it's not there.
5th bearing: waiting on the install kit from the Wesemans. It's supposed to be
here. Anyway, assuming I have the install kit, I think I'll have the bearing
installed this weekend & should have the motor back together as well. That leaves
with getting an oil line to go from the gold oil thingy to the 5th bearing
and making whatever mod's to the cowl. The heads are back from Roy & they
look spectacular.
What did you do for the oil line?
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair 5th Bearing |
Corvair 5th Bearing"FELLOW" lovers. Come now!
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair 5th Bearing
Hello, Fellow Lovers of the Corvair!
Last week I spent several days in Beautiful West Tennessee as my good
friend Gene Pennington used to describe it, helping my mother do a bunch
of repairs around the house. At age 87, she's not much good on a ladder
anymore so I try to help her out every now and then.
While there, I managed to squeeze in a visit with Randy Bush and got
to see his Pietenpol after its "Crank Snapping" episode. Randy
installed the 5th bearing from Roy's Garage and I must say I'm impressed
with the design and workmanship (both Roy's and Randy's). If you must
fly behind a six cylinder engine that was never intended to go in an
airplane, I would certainly recommend adding the 5th bearing, and if you
can, I would use the one from Roy's Garage. It is more trouble to
install, requiring tearing the engine down completely, but provides more
bearing area where you need it. It also adds about an inch or so to the
overall length of the engine, requiring some cowling modification, but I
think it is a good design - almost as good as a real airplane engine.
I had hoped to fly Randy's plane (he offered, but it was only 41=B0
and I had not brought any cold-weather clothing except a jacket), but
look forward to flying it at Brodhead. I want to see for myself what a
Pietenpol feels like with 100 hp of smooth 6-cylinder power. As long as
there are plenty of good fields for forced landings around.
Now if it will just warm up a few more degrees, I'll fly my Pietenpol
back over the mountains to Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia, this
afternoon.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
At the advice of Jack Phillips, who is also an EAA Tech Counselor, I ordered
a set of spruce spars this morning from A/S. Incidentally, Jack recommended
I contact a friend of his who is in the FSDO in Greensboro, about 30 miles
east of me - which I did. He also recommended very strongly that I replace
the spars. Thanks for your concern. As soon as the new wood gets here that
problem will be solved. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
>
>
> Hi Chuck,
>
> I am also an EAA Tech Counselor. I have been doing it for the past 15
> years or so and I am glad to hear that you are getting some outside help
> from all possible resources. Kudo's to you.
>
> If I came out and looked at you wings, I would also refer you to 43.13 and
> suggest new spars. But keep in mind that EAA Tech Counselors can only
> offer suggestions and help you make safe building decisions. I have found
> many unsafe conditions, even in the Kit airplanes. Don't beat yourself up
> over it.
>
> The advice from this group is right on and certainly makes this forum
> worth its weight in gold. Keep listening and asking questions and you
> will have a nice airplane that you will feel safe flying in and be proud
> of.
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335393#335393
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil |
System
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Yes, Dan said Clarks has a high flow oil pump kit if needed.
rick
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:06 AM, kevinpurtee wrote:
> kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
>
> Thanks all. No doubt the thing's in the box.
>
> Ryan & Gary - Thanks for the pics.
>
> Rick - I had to read the instructions a few times but it appears to be a
> pretty straight-forward installation. I'm waiting on the install kit from
> the Wesemans & hope to install it this weekend. Will let you know how it
> goes. I'm going to install it & see what the oil pressure does. If it
> drops a noticeable amount I'll ask Dan what his recommendation is. I'm
> guessing higher volume pumps are available.
>
> Thanks again,
> Kevin
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335402#335402
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Fantastic. I can't wait to see the new Pics.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Way to go Chuck! Don't let it get you down... I'm pretty sure that everyone has
probably stumbled at some point in their project... good to see that you aren't
going to lose another minute fretting over it. As we use to say in the paratroops...
adapt, improvise and overcome. I know it probably doesn't feel too
good right now, but you obviously realize that you'll be happier in the long
run.
I recently had to scrap an idea that I had my heart set on (my aluminum control
horns)... I had a lot of time invested in those parts, but due to the reasoning
that some offered here (and locally) I thought it was for the best. Honestly,
the reviews were mixed, and even some that were against the idea admitted
that they would probably hold up well... but it was that "probably" part that
bothered all of us... not to mention that my welds (much like your spars) would
be covered and unable to be inspected thoroughly.
You've made the right choice... keep pressing on.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair Oil Filter Mounting Question - Gold Oil |
System
Hi Kevin,
I ordered the flexible braided line from Summit Racing. I=C2- think it is
Earls brand. I will look tonight and verify the brand when I get home. I g
ot all the fittings from Summit which I think William lists in his 601 fire
wall forward book.
Cheers,
Jim
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Excellent news, Chuck (well, sort of).
What I mean is that you have made a wise choice, and that there are without doubt,
a number of List members that are breathing a collective sigh of relief. You
were making some of us nervous.
The "sort of" comment above refers to the fact that you've had to take a step or
two backwards in your project - so that part isn't such good news for you. However,
I have a feeling that when you get those "real" spars, you'll feel a whole
lot better. While some of the comments may have been a little hard to take,
they were all made out of honest concern for you and your plane. Glad to hear
of your decision.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Fuselage longeron |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
I jigged the extended fuselage last night and was laying in the longerons. Am
I the only one who has trouble getting the bottom longeron's curve to fit in the
jig? Seems to me I read that bending the lower longeron wasn't too much a
problem and it didn't need to be soaked. Maybe my hands can't generate enough
pressure on the clamps. I guess I was planning on soaking the end of the longeron
overnight in a PVC pipe unless there are other suggestions.
Thanks,
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage longeron |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Tom,
The bottom longeron (especially for the extended fuselage) doesn't have that much
curvature, really. It shouldn't need any steaming or soaking. What "pressure
on the clamps" are you referring to? Just screw a few blocks of wood (1 inch
thick) along the profile of the longeron (a few on the outside, near the front,
and more, on the inside, as needed), and the 1" x 1" should just slip in between.
See attached photo for reference.
Bill C.
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| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Great Chuck!
Before you know it you'll have those wings together!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Second that. I went back for another look and
something I haven't seen stressed is the grain
orientation. On those boards it appears to me
that some of it is at least 45.
I don't know how much you know about this
stuff so bear with me.
If you took a stack of 50 sheets of paper the
"face" is the top sheet and the "edge" then is
looking at the stack from the side. In a board
this would be "face" grain. Now if you piled up
a stack 5 ft tall then the reverse is true, the top
is now the edge and the 5 ft side is the face. This
is "edge" grain or vertical grain.
THIS is what you want your board to look like!
At least as much as possible. Personaly in my
anal retentive way I won't use anything that has
a grain angle of more than 15 off that.
You're a good man Chuck. You faced down this
big fat demon. Bit the nasty bullet and won.
Clif
a number of List members that are breathing a collective sigh of relief. You
were making some of us nervous.
> The "sort of" comment above refers to the fact that you've had to take a
> step or two backwards in your project - so that part isn't such good news
> for you. However, I have a feeling that when you get those "real" spars,
> you'll feel a whole lot better. >
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335449#335449
>
>
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage longeron |
Soaking would work fine, I don't remember Dad soaking his though, just had
to push it into the jig.- Just make sure to let it dry for a few days bef
ore gluing it.
-
Shad.
--- On Tue, 3/29/11, tdudley(at)umn.edu wrote:
From: tdudley(at)umn.edu <tdudley(at)umn.edu>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage longeron
Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 8:43 PM
I jigged the extended fuselage last night and was laying in the longerons.
- Am I the only one who has trouble getting the bottom longeron's curve t
o fit in the jig?- Seems to me I read that bending the lower longeron was
n't too much a problem and it didn't need to be soaked.- Maybe my hands c
an't generate enough pressure on the clamps.- I guess I was planning on s
oaking the end of the longeron overnight in a PVC pipe unless there are oth
er suggestions.
Thanks,
Tom
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| From: | "Amsafetyc(at)gmail.com" <amsafetyc(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage longeron |
Pretty much the same method I used and had no problems at all. Stop blocks
on the bench worked out perfectly
John
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wed, Mar 30, 2011 01:42:29 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage longeron
Tom,
The bottom longeron (especially for the extended fuselage) doesn't have that
much curvature, really. It shouldn't need any steaming or soaking. What
"pressure on the clamps" are you referring to? Just screw a few blocks of
wood (1 inch thick) along the profile of the longeron (a few on the outside,
near the front, and more, on the inside, as needed), and the 1" x 1" should
just slip in between. See attached photo for reference.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage longeron |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
I appreciate your input. My post was "thinking out loud", but your responses helped.
Funny how a small mis-measurement can change the bend angle of the longeron.
A dumb mistake on my part, but the best part of this list is being able
to voice a question, get a simple answer, and double-check your thinking. I
re-measured (correctly this time), and the bend is as simple as stated. I appreciate
the help. I sure as hell didn't get a Ph.D. in using a ruler!
Tom
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
My whole problem was when I bought the lumber I looked at the grain on the
short (3/4) side of the board and it looked OK, even though I didn't take a
ruler and measure the grain runout. After the guy at the FSDO explained to
me that I should have looked at the grain on the 6" side of the board did I
realize the mistake I had made. That mistake cost me a couple hundred
dollars plus a bunch of lost time. I spent two evenings routing out the
rear spars -- which I will have to do again with the new spars. I would
especially like to thank the person who originally E-mailed me about this,
expressing concern over my spars. I think the "handle" was like womenfly2
or something like that. I couldn't find it in the piet list. If you read
this, "Thanks, anyway."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings
>
> Second that. I went back for another look and
> something I haven't seen stressed is the grain
> orientation. On those boards it appears to me
> that some of it is at least 45.
> I don't know how much you know about this
> stuff so bear with me.
> If you took a stack of 50 sheets of paper the
> "face" is the top sheet and the "edge" then is
> looking at the stack from the side. In a board
> this would be "face" grain. Now if you piled up
> a stack 5 ft tall then the reverse is true, the top
> is now the edge and the 5 ft side is the face. This
> is "edge" grain or vertical grain.
> THIS is what you want your board to look like!
> At least as much as possible. Personaly in my
> anal retentive way I won't use anything that has
> a grain angle of more than 15 off that.
>
> You're a good man Chuck. You faced down this
> big fat demon. Bit the nasty bullet and won.
>
> Clif
>
> a number of List members that are breathing a collective sigh of relief.
> You were making some of us nervous.
>> The "sort of" comment above refers to the fact that you've had to take a
>> step or two backwards in your project - so that part isn't such good news
>> for you. However, I have a feeling that when you get those "real" spars,
>> you'll feel a whole lot better. >
>> Bill C.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335449#335449
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
I want to commend you Charles on your great attitude (at least here on the
forum) to your little set back. I too think you made the right decision,
and I'm sure it was a hard one.
This kind of "taking things in stride" is a great example to us all.
Keep at it!!
Douwe
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Good man Chuck. As stated; all of us has had to re-do a part or structure f
rom time to time and scrap some "great ideas" we thought we had. One thing
that you have done, that I have failed to do...when you decided on making t
he change, you let the list know about it. I have changed quite a few thing
s on my plane and have trashed a few "great ideas" because of the educated
replies here, but I failed to notify the list that I have done so.-
Very happy to see you do the right thing and glad to see that you have info
rmed us of such.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Kyle and Amanda Franklin |
| From: | "VanDy" <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
Hey all,
Just wondering if anyone has heard on update on them recently?
Im not on the facebook or anything so i cant keep up there.
Thanks!
--------
www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kyle and Amanda Franklin |
Kyle posted an update on 3/29. He has been discharged from the hospital.
Amanda will be in the hospital for several more months. She has had surgery
on both hands, and has lost all fingers but her left thumb. They have also
done surgery on her face to repair the fractures in her skull around her
eyes, to try and save her vision. I believe she is still on a respirator
(her lungs were badly seared by breathing burning gasoline). In an earlier
update he said they are hoping she will regain consciousness in about 2
months.
She's got a long, painful, expensive road ahead and needs ALL our prayers.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of VanDy
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 10:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kyle and Amanda Franklin
Hey all,
Just wondering if anyone has heard on update on them recently?
Im not on the facebook or anything so i cant keep up there.
Thanks!
--------
www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
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| Subject: | Re: Kyle and Amanda Franklin |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Update from yesterday, Mar 29:
--------------------------------------
I know you all have been waiting for an update, sorry for the delay. I was
discharged on Monday and am now playing catch up on things. It's all getting
a little overwhelming.
Amanda is doing well for the most part. She had a surgery yesterday. They
worked on some more of her burned areas and unfortunately had to take down
her left hand pinky, so now all she has left is her left thumb. They also
went back in and re-set a bone fracture on her right eye to hopefully avoid
her having double vision. I am praying that her vision remains just as good
as it was before. She has already lost her fingers the last thing I want is
her vision to be compromised.
Today was a big day. They gave her a shower, rotated her more vertical again
and even sat her in a chair of some sort. A lot for one day. She is now
resting comfortably and is slated for another surgery on Friday. I feel so
sorry for her having to go through all this, it's just not right.
Thank you all again, I'll let you know when I have more.
Kyle
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:38 AM, VanDy wrote:
> matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com>
>
> Hey all,
> Just wondering if anyone has heard on update on them recently?
> Im not on the facebook or anything so i cant keep up there.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --------
> www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
>
> almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335500#335500
>
>
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| From: | "womenfly2" <keriannprice(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks for the kind words. Everyone here shares equally with the help, that is
what forums like this are for.
The most important thing is you will have a safe airplane when finished and a long
life to enjoy it.
"Keep the Dream"
WF2
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Charles' spars |
Thanks, Douwe. No commendation needed. After I found out from the FAA
man that the spars would not be accepted, I had two choices. 1). I
could forget the entire project and find out something else to do every
day (I'm retired from work -- the kind you get paid to do) or 2) I could
buy some new spar stock, tear out the old spars and go on with the
project. Of course I chose #2. Hope to fly to Brodhead one of these
years. I won't make it this year, but I hope I live long enough to
maybe make it another year. Incidentally, I spent most of yesterday and
all of today repairing ribs that were damaged tearing the wing apart.
Glad I kept the rib jig. Actually, I found after screwing up about four
ribs that all I had to do was tap the ribs with a hammer (in the
direction I wanted the rib to go) and the glue let go and I could just
slide the rib off. I had accidentally just sort of tacked the ribs to
the spars and very little damage was done.
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 9:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Charles' spars
I want to commend you Charles on your great attitude (at least here on
the forum) to your little set back. I too think you made the right
decision, and I'm sure it was a hard one.
This kind of "taking things in stride" is a great example to us all.
Keep at it!!
Douwe
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Charles' spars |
Glad to hear the ribs came off so easily Chuck. I hope that will lift your spirits
a little. Trying to look on the bright side, at least you know how to put
the wings together! I know on mine the first wing half took 3 or 4 times as long
as the other half.
Regards,
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Campbell
Sent: 3/30/2011 2:46:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charles' spars
Thanks, Douwe. No commendation needed. After I found out from the FAA man that
the spars would not be accepted, I had two choices. 1). I could forget the
entire project and find out something else to do every day (I'm retired from work
-- the kind you get paid to do) or 2) I could buy some new spar stock, tear
out the old spars and go on with the project. Of course I chose #2. Hope to
fly to Brodhead one of these years. I won't make it this year, but I hope I
live long enough to maybe make it another year. Incidentally, I spent most of
yesterday and all of today repairing ribs that were damaged tearing the wing
apart. Glad I kept the rib jig. Actually, I found after screwing up about four
ribs that all I had to do was tap the ribs with a hammer (in the direction
I wanted the rib to go) and the glue let go and I could just slide the rib off.
I had accidentally just sort of tacked the ribs to the spars and very little
damage was done.
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 9:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Charles' spars
I want to commend you Charles on your great attitude (at least here on the forum)
to your little set back. I too think you made the right decision, and Im sure
it was a hard one.
This kind of taking things in stride is a great example to us all.
Keep at it!!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Kyle and Amanda Franklin |
| From: | Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the info everybody,
They will remain in my prayers
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 30, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> Update from yesterday, Mar 29:
>
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> I know you all have been waiting for an update, sorry for the delay. I was
discharged on Monday and am now playing catch up on things. It's all gettin
g a little overwhelming.
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> Amanda is doing well for the most part. She had a surgery yesterday. They w
orked on some more of her burned areas and unfortunately had to take down he
r left hand pinky, so now all she has left is her left thumb. They also went
back in and re-set a bone fracture on her right eye to hopefully avoid her h
aving double vision. I am praying that her vision remains just as good as it
was before. She has already lost her fingers the last thing I want is her v
ision to be compromised.
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> Today was a big day. They gave her a shower, rotated her more vertical aga
in and even sat her in a chair of some sort. A lot for one day. She is now r
esting comfortably and is slated for another surgery on Friday. I feel so so
rry for her having to go through all this, it's just not right.
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> Thank you all again, I'll let you know when I have more.
>
> Kyle
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| Subject: | Corvair blocks/bits |
| From: | "heavyliftpilot" <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
Hi everyone. If anyone is interested in Corvair parts, i have 2 blocks (both have
cranks) one has the factory nitrated crank)...both have the rods and cams.
No heads (sorry). I live near Savannah, Ga, so it's easy access from I-95 on
your way to SNF. Thanks!!! James T.
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair blocks/bits |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Price? I live in Athens, and could drive over and get it/them.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair blocks/bits |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Price? I live in Athens, and could drive over and get it/them.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair blocks/bits |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Well, I guess the "secret" is out about which engine you are going to use!
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair blocks/bits |
| From: | james theissen <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Terry, i'm looking to get 100 for the regular crank & block and
150 (for the nitraded crank & block). thanks, james
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:49 AM, jarheadpilot82
wrote:
>
> Price? I live in Athens, and could drive over and get it/them.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335556#335556
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair blocks/bits |
| From: | james theissen <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Earl, both blocks are the right numbers (for aircraft use, i just
don't have the numbers off hand to list that), but one does have the
nitraded crank. thanks...james t
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:15 AM, echobravo4 wrote:
>
> Well, I guess the "secret" is out about which engine you are going to use!
>
> --------
> Earl Brown
>
> I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where
I intended to be.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335559#335559
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair blocks/bits |
| From: | "heavyliftpilot" <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
Hi again Terry, just went to the piet/matronics site...i see your a 'jarheadpilot'....i'm
a 'heavyliftpilot' (CH-47D), with the Nat Gaurd here in savannah.
james
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair blocks/bits |
| From: | "heavyliftpilot" <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
Hi again Terry, just went to the piet/matronics site...i see your a 'jarheadpilot'....i'm
a 'heavyliftpilot' (CH-47D), with the Nat Gaurd here in savannah.
james
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| Subject: | S2S, S4S, or what? |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I have
come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy to purchase
wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with pine. Not happenin').
So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious builder, I am wondering
the following-
1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it necessary
to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and cut it to
size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwise
I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it myself, or have someone
do it for me so that the strips are all the same thickness.
2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, or can
I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand them prior to
varnishing them?
My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then plane and
cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or S2S then that
is what I will do.
Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I want to
do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no such thing
as a dumb question, although, there are some that come extremely close." This
may be on of those close questions.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Kyle and Amanda Franklin |
| From: | "Larry Vetter" <vetter(at)evertek.net> |
Sorry, I should have posted this earlier.
You can keep up with updates at Caringbridge.org when you get to the caringbridge
page you type in amandafranklin ( no spaces)in the place it ask what website
you want to visit. You will have to enter an email address and then create
a password, but you will be sent any updates to the journal. You can sign the
geastbook as well.
Here are a couple good places to donate, all donations go to them
http://www.moonlightfund.org orwww.icasfoundation.org
Amanda has a long recovery road ahead of her and needs all the prayers and support
they both can get.
Thanks
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
I ask dumb questions all the time and they're happy to tell me about it.
You can do all the milling/planing/finishing yourself if you have the tools. I
think you mentioned you're a woodworker. If I had a decent tablesaw and maybe
a planer I would not hesitate to do my own milling. If you don't like your
local wood you can do as you said and order larger pieces of stock from one of
the aircraft supply houses. There may be some other sources as well, the group
will certainly tell you about them. There's a recent thread talking about
how many big boards you need to whittle down to make all your rib stock.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
Terry,
My two cents... I attended Charlie Rubick's rib forum at Brodhead in 2004 or so
and followed his method with good success using two rough sawn 2x8 by 12 Sitka
boards. Cut all ribstock 1/4 by 1/2 on a tablesaw with a fine cutting blade
and a true fence and featherboard. Lightly sand the capstrip with a block sander
before dimensioning the pieces. Each rib you build will likely have small
imperfections in height where the intercoastals meet. Prior to gluing gussetts
just remove the height difference with a bastard file. Charlie built his
ribs with red cedar floor boards. Pleanty strong he said because the ribs are
overbuilt. Have fun!
Scott Knowlton
-----Original Message-----
From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:20:33
Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I have
come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy to purchase
wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with pine. Not happenin').
So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious builder, I am wondering
the following-
1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it necessary
to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and cut it to
size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwise
I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it myself, or have someone
do it for me so that the strips are all the same thickness.
2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, or can
I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand them prior to
varnishing them?
My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then plane and
cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or S2S then that
is what I will do.
Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I want to
do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no such thing
as a dumb question, although, there are some that come extremely close." This
may be on of those close questions.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Terry,
The answer depends on the equipment you have at your disposal, and how much you
enjoy cutting wood. It sounds like you have a tablesaw, but not a thickness planer.
Provided the wood you can get is not too rough, to cut your own capstrips
and even longerons, a half-decent tablesaw is all you really need. I bought
rough sawn Sitka and cut all of my wood myself from 2" x 6" planks. I did run
my boards through a thickness planer (S2S), but only because I have one. But
if I didn't have the planer, I could have easily done the job without planing,
because the boards were good quality, with no cupping or twist. You would just
need to get one straight side on the plank to work from, and just use the tablesaw
blade to remove the rough sawn surface. It just requires a few extra passes
through the saw, and possible a very slight reduction in the yield from a
board.
One thing I would recommend is that you invest $50 or so in a nice NEW ripping
blade for your tablesaw. And, if you don't already have one, get yourself a featherboard.
The featherboard will help maintain consistant thicknesses and prevent
kickback. You can rip through the wing rib capstrips in an afternoon, once
you're set up.
And, for what it's worth, I'd spend the few extra bucks for Sitka over DF. It's
just WAY nicer to work with, and lighter too.
Bill C.
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| From: | Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
On 3/31/2011 9:20 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it necessary
to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and cut it
to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwise
I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it myself, or have someone
do it for me so that the strips are all the same thickness.
For whatever it's worth, I sawed mine a bit large and shaved them to
exact size with a down-spiral bit in a router table. It worked pretty
well, but the strips would have come out fine if I had just cut it with
a planer blade on the table saw.
Owen
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
Keep in mind that if you cut your own the kerf width of the saw blade will
eat up some of your expensive wood. For this reason a band saw may be a
better option than a table saw, particularly if you are cutting lots of
small slices such as cap strip. Many of the cap strip examples I have
seen leave the wood in a fairly rough condition. I chose to sand mine
smooth to help avoid snagging of the cloth when covering. Since I have
not covered anything yet I can not tell you that this was the way to go.
By the way, there are no dumb questions although you may see the occasional
dumb answer. What is dumb is failure to ask the question and then having
to redo the part later as a consequence. (voice of experience)
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "kevinpurtee" 3/31/2011 9:04 AM >>>
I ask dumb questions all the time and they're happy to tell me about it.
You can do all the milling/planing/finishing yourself if you have the
tools.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
So what is S2S, S4S?
In a message dated 3/31/2011 11:07:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
owen5819(at)comcast.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Owen Davies
On 3/31/2011 9:20 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it
necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and
cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a
minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it
myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same
thickness.
For whatever it's worth, I sawed mine a bit large and shaved them to
exact size with a down-spiral bit in a router table. It worked pretty
well, but the strips would have come out fine if I had just cut it with
a planer blade on the table saw.
Owen
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| From: | SENTUCHOWS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
The answers have been correct. I bought all my dimensioned wood in the form
of Spar material. (Spruce from AS.) Get a good rip blade, around 26 teeth
on a 10" blade. Don't use a combo blade.Plan your cuts. Start with the
biggest pieces first. You can make your own feather boards.
Good luck
Dave
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
I had been making furniture, so I have the wood working tools to make my ow
n wood pieces from bulk.- I bought 98% of all of my sitka in bulk; usuall
y- 8 to 10" wide, 1" thick, 8 feet, long.- Used the table saw to cut in
to strips, used a planner to get exactly .5" X .25"
Saved money, but used up more of my time. However, I really enjoy making th
ings from scratch, so my time was well spent having fun.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
-
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | S2S, S4S, or what? |
Terry,
Congratulations, you are entering into a fantastic journey, one I couldn't
do without. I'm already thinking what my next project will be.
I cut and planed all my wood with the exception of the capstrips. They are
pretty small and you waste a LOT of expensive wood milling yourself. It
will be much easier to fit the rib parts properly if it's S4S. I have
Douglas Fir and Sitka in my ship. The Spruce is much better to work with.
Enjoy!
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jarheadpilot82
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I
have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy to
purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with
pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious
builder, I am wondering the following-
1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it
necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and
cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a
minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it
myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same
thickness.
2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides, or
can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand them
prior to varnishing them?
My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then
plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or
S2S then that is what I will do.
Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I
want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no
such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come extremely
close." This may be on of those close questions.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Sun n Fun weather |
| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
FYI
http://www.kdvr.com/news/nationworld/os-hanger-collapse-lakeland-airport-20
110331,0,7453911.story
Tornado at Lakeland during Sun n Fun
Pray for everyone's well being
Hans
NX 15KV
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
#2. I recommend spruce over douglas fir also. I just went through a very
dissapointing experience by using fir (see the 'wings' thread of the past
few days). A/S sells 1/4X1/2 capstrip for $ 0.32 per foot. 500 ft would
be $160. Unless you can buy spruce boards a lot cheaper than that, I would
recommend buying the capstrip already cut - ready to use.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: S2S, S4S, or what?
>
>
> Terry,
> The answer depends on the equipment you have at your disposal, and how
> much you enjoy cutting wood. It sounds like you have a tablesaw, but not a
> thickness planer. Provided the wood you can get is not too rough, to cut
> your own capstrips and even longerons, a half-decent tablesaw is all you
> really need. I bought rough sawn Sitka and cut all of my wood myself from
> 2" x 6" planks. I did run my boards through a thickness planer (S2S), but
> only because I have one. But if I didn't have the planer, I could have
> easily done the job without planing, because the boards were good quality,
> with no cupping or twist. You would just need to get one straight side on
> the plank to work from, and just use the tablesaw blade to remove the
> rough sawn surface. It just requires a few extra passes through the saw,
> and possible a very slight reduction in the yield from a board.
> One thing I would recommend is that you invest $50 or so in a nice NEW
> ripping blade for your tablesaw. And, if you don't already have one, get
> yourself a featherboard. The featherboard will help maintain consistant
> thicknesses and prevent kickback. You can rip through the wing rib
> capstrips in an afternoon, once you're set up.
> And, for what it's worth, I'd spend the few extra bucks for Sitka over DF.
> It's just WAY nicer to work with, and lighter too.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335574#335574
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
Terry, my son has a very accurate table saw and we sawed the 1/2 x 1/4
strips on it and they turned out great. One 12-foot 1X6 sawn in two makes,
of course, two 6-foot pieces. we got 16 1/4-inch wide (96 feet) strips out
of each six-foot board. We used a very fine saw blade and we didn't feel
that any sanding was necessary. The wing will use up about 500 feet of cap
strip so 6 six-foot (3 twelve-foot) 1X6 boards will yield about 576 feet of
cap strip. If you use a thicker saw blade (1/8-inch thick) you will get
only 14 strips out of a 5.5-inch wide board, but that will still yield about
504 feet of strip.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>
>
> Terry,
> My two cents... I attended Charlie Rubick's rib forum at Brodhead in 2004
> or so and followed his method with good success using two rough sawn 2x8
> by 12 Sitka boards. Cut all ribstock 1/4 by 1/2 on a tablesaw with a fine
> cutting blade and a true fence and featherboard. Lightly sand the
> capstrip with a block sander before dimensioning the pieces. Each rib you
> build will likely have small imperfections in height where the
> intercoastals meet. Prior to gluing gussetts just remove the height
> difference with a bastard file. Charlie built his ribs with red cedar
> floor boards. Pleanty strong he said because the ribs are overbuilt.
> Have fun!
>
> Scott Knowlton
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:20:33
> To:
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>
>
>
> Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I
> have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy
> to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with
> pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious
> builder, I am wondering the following-
>
> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it
> necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber
> and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a
> minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it
> myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same
> thickness.
>
> 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides,
> or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand
> them prior to varnishing them?
>
> My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then
> plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or
> S2S then that is what I will do.
>
> Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I
> want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no
> such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come
> extremely close." This may be on of those close questions.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335566#335566
>
>
>
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
S2S is finished on only 2 sides - the other 2 are rough. S4S is
finished all 4 sides. OK?
----- Original Message -----
From: RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
So what is S2S, S4S?
In a message dated 3/31/2011 11:07:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
owen5819(at)comcast.net writes:
On 3/31/2011 9:20 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start.
Is it necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase
lumber and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I
need (at a minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and
either plane it myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips
are all the same thickness.
For whatever it's worth, I sawed mine a bit large and shaved them to
exact size with a down-spiral bit in a router table. It worked
pretty
well, but the strips would have come out fine if I had just cut it
with
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| From: | RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
got it! I thought that was the answer, but wanted to be sure. I don't post
here much, but one day when I get rich I'm selling my Mustang II project
and building a Pietenpol!
In a message dated 3/31/2011 2:10:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cncampbell(at)windstream.net writes:
S2S is finished on only 2 sides - the other 2 are rough. S4S is finished
all 4 sides. OK?
----- Original Message -----
From: _RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com_ (mailto:RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com)
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
So what is S2S, S4S?
In a message dated 3/31/2011 11:07:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_owen5819(at)comcast.net_ (mailto:owen5819(at)comcast.net) writes:
(mailto:owen5819(at)comcast.net) >
On 3/31/2011 9:20 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it
necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber and
cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a
minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it
myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same
thickness.
For whatever it's worth, I sawed mine a bit large and shaved them to
exact size with a down-spiral bit in a router table. It worked pretty
well, but the strips would have come out fine if I had just cut it with
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
I'm going to show my lack of education (the high school I attended didn't
have a wood working class). What is a featherboard?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>
>
> Terry,
> My two cents... I attended Charlie Rubick's rib forum at Brodhead in 2004
> or so and followed his method with good success using two rough sawn 2x8
> by 12 Sitka boards. Cut all ribstock 1/4 by 1/2 on a tablesaw with a fine
> cutting blade and a true fence and featherboard. Lightly sand the
> capstrip with a block sander before dimensioning the pieces. Each rib you
> build will likely have small imperfections in height where the
> intercoastals meet. Prior to gluing gussetts just remove the height
> difference with a bastard file. Charlie built his ribs with red cedar
> floor boards. Pleanty strong he said because the ribs are overbuilt.
> Have fun!
>
> Scott Knowlton
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:20:33
> To:
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>
>
>
> Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I
> have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy
> to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with
> pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious
> builder, I am wondering the following-
>
> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it
> necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber
> and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a
> minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it
> myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same
> thickness.
>
> 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides,
> or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand
> them prior to varnishing them?
>
> My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then
> plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or
> S2S then that is what I will do.
>
> Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I
> want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no
> such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come
> extremely close." This may be on of those close questions.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335566#335566
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Damage at Sun n' Fun |
Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of bad
weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and aircraft.
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
Pictures;
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
Something you'll not want to EVER use a table saw without.....
Here's an example of one:
http://images.meredith.com/wood/images/2008/02/m_easylock1.jpg
Holds stock nice and snug....
JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
>Sent: Mar 31, 2011 1:25 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>
>
>I'm going to show my lack of education (the high school I attended didn't
>have a wood working class). What is a featherboard?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
>To: "jarheadpilot82 " ;
>
>Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:08 AM
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>
>
>>
>>
>> Terry,
>> My two cents... I attended Charlie Rubick's rib forum at Brodhead in 2004
>> or so and followed his method with good success using two rough sawn 2x8
>> by 12 Sitka boards. Cut all ribstock 1/4 by 1/2 on a tablesaw with a fine
>> cutting blade and a true fence and featherboard. Lightly sand the
>> capstrip with a block sander before dimensioning the pieces. Each rib you
>> build will likely have small imperfections in height where the
>> intercoastals meet. Prior to gluing gussetts just remove the height
>> difference with a bastard file. Charlie built his ribs with red cedar
>> floor boards. Pleanty strong he said because the ribs are overbuilt.
>> Have fun!
>>
>> Scott Knowlton
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:20:33
>> To:
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and I
>> have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very easy
>> to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane with
>> pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious
>> builder, I am wondering the following-
>>
>> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it
>> necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber
>> and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a
>> minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it
>> myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same
>> thickness.
>>
>> 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides,
>> or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand
>> them prior to varnishing them?
>>
>> My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then
>> plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S or
>> S2S then that is what I will do.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I
>> want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is no
>> such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come
>> extremely close." This may be on of those close questions.
>>
>> --------
>> Semper Fi,
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335566#335566
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Storms damage Piets |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
The storms that rolled through Sun 'n Fun apparently snagged some
Pietenpols. This is painful to see. Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Damage at Sun n' Fun |
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
>From what I gather at the A/S catalogue page on the internet, 4" wide spar
stock is the smallest S2S lumber you can buy. Anyone have a different
opinion?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owen Davies" <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>
> On 3/31/2011 9:20 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
>> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it
>> necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber
>> and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a
>> minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane it
>> myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same
>> thickness.
> For whatever it's worth, I sawed mine a bit large and shaved them to exact
> size with a down-spiral bit in a router table. It worked pretty well, but
> the strips would have come out fine if I had just cut it with a planer
> blade on the table saw.
>
> Owen
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | ugly messes at SNF |
Just heard and UN-verified word that some Piets might have suffered damage
down there. Stay tuned.
Scroll down for more insurance claims.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
Jim, what do you do -- clamp the featherboard to the saw table?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>
>
> Something you'll not want to EVER use a table saw without.....
>
> Here's an example of one:
>
> http://images.meredith.com/wood/images/2008/02/m_easylock1.jpg
>
> Holds stock nice and snug....
>
> JM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
>>Sent: Mar 31, 2011 1:25 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>>
>>
>>
>>I'm going to show my lack of education (the high school I attended didn't
>>have a wood working class). What is a featherboard?
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
>>To: "jarheadpilot82 " ;
>>
>>Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:08 AM
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Terry,
>>> My two cents... I attended Charlie Rubick's rib forum at Brodhead in
>>> 2004
>>> or so and followed his method with good success using two rough sawn 2x8
>>> by 12 Sitka boards. Cut all ribstock 1/4 by 1/2 on a tablesaw with a
>>> fine
>>> cutting blade and a true fence and featherboard. Lightly sand the
>>> capstrip with a block sander before dimensioning the pieces. Each rib
>>> you
>>> build will likely have small imperfections in height where the
>>> intercoastals meet. Prior to gluing gussetts just remove the height
>>> difference with a bastard file. Charlie built his ribs with red cedar
>>> floor boards. Pleanty strong he said because the ribs are overbuilt.
>>> Have fun!
>>>
>>> Scott Knowlton
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>>> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:20:33
>>> To:
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and
>>> I
>>> have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very
>>> easy
>>> to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane
>>> with
>>> pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious
>>> builder, I am wondering the following-
>>>
>>> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it
>>> necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber
>>> and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a
>>> minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane
>>> it
>>> myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same
>>> thickness.
>>>
>>> 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides,
>>> or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand
>>> them prior to varnishing them?
>>>
>>> My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then
>>> plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S
>>> or
>>> S2S then that is what I will do.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I
>>> want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is
>>> no
>>> such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come
>>> extremely close." This may be on of those close questions.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Semper Fi,
>>>
>>> Terry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335566#335566
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun |
| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
Looks like three, two of the reg numbers end with BP
Frank Metcalfs is NX 971BP
All seem Corvair powered.
Steel tube "Big Piets" from Georgia?
Hans
NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:15 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
Oh Lord, I beleive three Piets in pics, hope everyone is ok.
So sorry,
Jack
DSM
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
From: Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, March 31, 2011 1:53 pm
Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of b
ad weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and aircraft.
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=P
HOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
Pictures;
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=P
HOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
://forums.matronics.com
lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Storms damage Piets |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Son of a bitch.....that looks like two Big Piets and Gardiner....
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Ken Bickers wrote:
> The storms that rolled through Sun 'n Fun apparently snagged some
> Pietenpols. This is painful to see. Ken
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
That's two of the Big Piets, and gotta be Gardiner on the bottom...you can
spot that cowl a mile away....damn it....
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:38 PM, wrote:
>
> Looks like three, two of the reg numbers end with BP
> Frank Metcalfs is NX 971BP
>
> All seem Corvair powered.
>
> Steel tube "Big Piets" from Georgia?
> Hans
>
> NX15KV
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jack <jack(at)textors.com>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Thu, Mar 31, 2011 3:15 pm
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
>
> Oh Lord, I beleive three Piets in pics, hope everyone is ok.
> So sorry,
> Jack
> DSM
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
> From: Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
> Date: Thu, March 31, 2011 1:53 pm
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of
> bad weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and
> aircraft.
>
>
> http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
>
> Pictures;
>
> http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
>
> *
>
> " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> p://forums.matronics.com
> blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun |
| From: | "DOMIT" <rx7_ragtop(at)yahoo.com> |
Wow, what a mess! :(
Not to make TOO light of the situation, but would that be a Pietenpile?
I hope they are all repairable.
--------
Brad "DOMIT" Smith
First rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going fast.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335667#335667
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun |
I've talked to Gardiner, and he and the other Piet builders are fine. Amazingly,
and thankfully, no one was injured.
As I understand it, several of the folks from Carrolton who had not gone to
Sun-N-Fun are on the road now, driving to Lakeland to help out.
Many thanks to all of you for your concern and prayers.
Best regards,
Susan Mason
________________________________
From: Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 2:53:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of bad
weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and aircraft.
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
Pictures;
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you Susan!
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 4:10 PM, airlion wrote:
> I've talked to Gardiner, and he and the other Piet builders are fine.
> Amazingly, and thankfully, no one was injured.
>
> As I understand it, several of the folks from Carrolton who had not gone to
> Sun-N-Fun are on the road now, driving to Lakeland to help out.
>
> Many thanks to all of you for your concern and prayers.
>
> Best regards,
> Susan Mason
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Ryan M
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thu, March 31, 2011 2:53:51 PM
>
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
>
> Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of
> bad weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and
> aircraft.
>
>
> http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
>
> Pictures;
>
> http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
>
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>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: ugly messes at SNF |
| From: | Matt Wash <mattwash(at)mattwash.com> |
Verified :(
~Matt
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] wrote:
> Just heard and UN-verified word that some Piets might have suffered
> damage down there. Stay tuned.
> Scroll down for more insurance claims.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Hey all
I hate to be the bearer of bad news from SnF, but I didnt see it posted
by anyone else so here it is. There was a severe thundersorm that came
thru SNF this morning. The campgrounds here are a mess. There were 3
Piets on the flight line that all were tossed into a pile. Photos
later. Gardiner Masons piet and 2 big piets are all pretty much totaled
out. All of us in the wood shop are fine.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Thanks, Susan. Give our best to Gardiner. We're thinking of him and all the rest
of the group.
Kevin
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335680#335680
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Chuck,
Typically, the featherboard is wedged into the miter slot of the table saw top,
and prevented from sliding, but they can also be secured with clamps or very
strong magnets.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335689#335689
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/featherloc_tablesaw_793.jpg
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
Some clamp, some have huge magnets. I made mine really long so all I have to do
is clamp it to the table.
Once you use one you'll love it.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
>Sent: Mar 31, 2011 3:29 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>
>
>Jim, what do you do -- clamp the featherboard to the saw table?
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>To:
>Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:57 PM
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>
>
>>
>>
>> Something you'll not want to EVER use a table saw without.....
>>
>> Here's an example of one:
>>
>> http://images.meredith.com/wood/images/2008/02/m_easylock1.jpg
>>
>> Holds stock nice and snug....
>>
>> JM
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
>>>Sent: Mar 31, 2011 1:25 PM
>>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm going to show my lack of education (the high school I attended didn't
>>>have a wood working class). What is a featherboard?
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
>>>To: "jarheadpilot82 " ;
>>>
>>>Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:08 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Terry,
>>>> My two cents... I attended Charlie Rubick's rib forum at Brodhead in
>>>> 2004
>>>> or so and followed his method with good success using two rough sawn 2x8
>>>> by 12 Sitka boards. Cut all ribstock 1/4 by 1/2 on a tablesaw with a
>>>> fine
>>>> cutting blade and a true fence and featherboard. Lightly sand the
>>>> capstrip with a block sander before dimensioning the pieces. Each rib
>>>> you
>>>> build will likely have small imperfections in height where the
>>>> intercoastals meet. Prior to gluing gussetts just remove the height
>>>> difference with a bastard file. Charlie built his ribs with red cedar
>>>> floor boards. Pleanty strong he said because the ribs are overbuilt.
>>>> Have fun!
>>>>
>>>> Scott Knowlton
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>>>> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:20:33
>>>> To:
>>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: S2S, S4S, or what?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, my plans are on order, I am pricing wood (a painful endeavor), and
>>>> I
>>>> have come up with a question. I live in the South, so it is not very
>>>> easy
>>>> to purchase wood here locally (unless you want to build your airplane
>>>> with
>>>> pine. Not happenin'). So, trying to be the scrounger and cost conscious
>>>> builder, I am wondering the following-
>>>>
>>>> 1. I am going to do the wing ribs first. A common place to start. Is it
>>>> necessary to use S4S, can you get by with S2S, or can I purchase lumber
>>>> and cut it to size myself? I am guessing the answer is that I need (at a
>>>> minimum) S2S, otherwise I need to take rougher lumber and either plane
>>>> it
>>>> myself, or have someone do it for me so that the strips are all the same
>>>> thickness.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Is there a reason for the capstrips to be finished on all four sides,
>>>> or can I cut them on my table saw the correct width, then lightly sand
>>>> them prior to varnishing them?
>>>>
>>>> My preference would be to ship larger pieces of spruce or fir, and then
>>>> plane and cut them myself. If you are telling me I absolutely need S4S
>>>> or
>>>> S2S then that is what I will do.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for the advice. Probably it is a silly question, but I
>>>> want to do things right. We used to say in the Marine Corps, "There is
>>>> no
>>>> such thing as a dumb question, although, there are some that come
>>>> extremely close." This may be on of those close questions.
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Semper Fi,
>>>>
>>>> Terry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335566#335566
>>>>
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| Subject: | 3 Piets wrecked in S&F tornado |
| From: | Matt Naiva <corvaircoupe(at)gmail.com> |
Hope the owners are well...
Matt
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/200870_10150192390888623_192081688622_8484257_4744496_o.jpg
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| Subject: | Video of Pietenpols at S&F |
| From: | Matt Naiva <corvaircoupe(at)gmail.com> |
Piets are at 5:14 seconds. Can anyone ID the owners?
http://www.trikepilot.com/videos/view/_12091
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| Subject: | Re: Storms damage Piets |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I am just sick about those Piets (and all others) at SNF, especially
Gardiner's because I have met him at Brodhead. I can only imagine how
they must feel right now. But I guess if they are physically OK that is
something to praise God for....
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Corvair Head Work |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Someone asked off list what was wrong with my heads. Here's a quick update: I
posted here a few months ago that I noticed a power drop last time I flew the
plane. Brought her home successfully. Went through the troubleshooting steps
William Wynne helped me develop. Bottom line - no compression in #3 cylinder.
Pulled the heads and found the exhaust valve missing a chunk. Pulled the other
head, too, based on differential compression numbers. I'm no expert, but
I think I was about to trash a valve on that side as well - another exhaust valve
was looking rough. I sent the heads to get reworked at Roy's, one of William's
recommended shops. They're back and they look great. Roy said that the
exhaust guides were shot and that the valve spring pressures were out of tolerance.
He believes that the incorrect pressures (too low) prevented the valves
from closing tightly and dissipating heat the way they should, likely leading
to the burned valves.
I had the heads done at a car shop many years ago, before the state of the art
in head work had advanced to its current state. If all the recommended vendors
do head work like Roy, we should be in pretty good shape.
Next steps: install 5th bearing, reassemble motor, fly.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335703#335703
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| Subject: | Re: Storms damage Piets |
| From: | "gtche98" <gtche98(at)gmail.com> |
That picture made me physically ill. Words can't express my sympathy. While outsiders
may see 3 damaged planes, I can only see the thousands of hours of blood,
sweat and tears that were poured into those beautiful machines. The report
I saw from EAA was that there were no significant injuries at the site itself.
I thank God for that and pray for the health and safety for everyone in the
area.
--------
Gary Wilson
Greenville Wisconsin
gtche98 (at) gmail ((dot)) com
Planning Phase
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| From: | Stu Brown <stu_brown(at)verizon.net> |
Is there a wrecked piet in the mess at Sun n Fun? Check out the attachment.
Stu Brown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNt1BKqF3a0
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| Subject: | Re: Storms damage Piets |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
A real bummer. :(
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335720#335720
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
[quote="TOMS(at)mcpcity.com"]Keep in mind that if you cut your own the kerf width
of the saw blade will eat up some of your expensive wood. For this reason
a band saw may be a better option than a table saw, particularly if you are cutting
lots of small slices such as cap strip. Many of the cap strip examples
I have seen leave the wood in a fairly rough condition. I chose to sand mine smooth
to help avoid snagging of the cloth when covering. Since I have not covered
anything yet I can not tell you that this was the way to go.
> [b]
I agree with Tom, if you have access to a band saw and a good resaw blade from
Highland Woodworking you can cut your cap strips with a lot less waste and much
safer than a table saw, The resaw blade will leave them smooth enough that
you should barely need sanding.
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335722#335722
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Wow! Lots of great ideas and advice. Thanks to everyone. I will keep you posted
and put up some pictures soon.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
I will second Jon Coxwell's thoughts on the use of the bandsaw. Buy a quality
resawing blade and you'll barely need to sand the sawn edges at all. I've got
a decent blade on mine, and many times I don't even need to sand. Depends on
the type and quality of the wood, and the feed rate you use. Trial and error
will let you know when you have a good feed rate into the blade. And spruce
is definitely much nicer to work with than fir. Fir tends to splinter a lot, and
I'm not fond of picking splinters out of my fingers and hands.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Charles Campell Piet |
Well - Charles is about to get even busier with Piet building. I've sold m
y Corvair stuff to him and tomorrow the boxes start their journey to his pl
ace as the heads depart to Falcon. This guy is on the fast track - that sa
id=2C he's listening to people as seen by his recent spar rebuild decision.
A very good call indeed.
At first selling my Corvair stuff gave me some heartburn but I'm so happy t
o see that it's going to a guy who's serious about getting the project goin
g. I however am on the slow track=2C and have traded my Corvair stuff in f
avor of completion of the airframe. You might say I've robbed Peter to pay
Paul - in this case you'd be right. But I'm ok with it. It seems that in
the course of this project I've either had time or money=2C but not both.
Currently=2C with the recent sale of the Corvair=2C I have money - enough
to complete the airframe. With (2) small children at home=2C time is still
something that is hard to come by. But I will meet my highly ambitious go
al of completing my airplane before the 100th anniversary of the design in
2029. On the way I may even break a record for total length of a project f
rom start to finish. Started in 2001 and much like the Energizer bunny (ex
cept with much less energy) I'm still going=2C and going....
Charles=2C we all can't wait to see you on the flight line at Brodhead some
day - perhaps in 2012?? Keep on keepin on and enjoy the engine build as mu
ch as you've enjoyed the rest. It'll be on its way tomorrow morning.
Tom B.
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Hey Jack,
It was good talking to you last night. Hope that none of that horrible weather
in Florida moves up to NC. Still having a hard time believing you're actually
considering moving over to "the dark side". Randy's machine must have been pretty
impressive to result in such an about face from you. That 5th bearing seems
to be a real game changer. I suppose you'll build up your Corvair and get it
running before pulling the A65 out of the Piet for the switchover. I guess I'll
believe it all when I see it. Anyway, take care. Will talk again soon.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: A momentous day |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
OOOOPS!
That was a personal message, and wasn't intended to go to the List. Please disregard.
How did I manage to do that?
BC
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| Subject: | Re: S2S, S4S, or what? |
| From: | "womenfly2" <keriannprice(at)hotmail.com> |
No piece of wood on the plane needs to be planed smooth, a saw blade finish is
fine. I would do an exception to this and have the wing spar planed smooth, if
not for just inspection.
S2S= one face and one side planed smooth other 2 rough cut, made not be sized.
S4S= all four surfaces planed smooth and planed.
Cutting thin strips of wood on a Table saw is inherently dangerous and all safety
precautions should be observed.
I think you will fined you will waste more wood, due to blade cut width, then purchasing
S4S cap strips. Not to mention the time.
--------
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Damage at Sun n' Fun |
After a day travelling in the mountains in Virginia with no internet, this
was a horrible thing to wake up to. My heart goes out to all the pilots,
especially our Pietenpol bunch. I'm just so glad no one was seriously hurt.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
I've talked to Gardiner, and he and the other Piet builders are fine.
Amazingly, and thankfully, no one was injured.
As I understand it, several of the folks from Carrolton who had not gone to
Sun-N-Fun are on the road now, driving to Lakeland to help out.
Many thanks to all of you for your concern and prayers.
Best regards,
Susan Mason
_____
From: Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 2:53:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of
bad weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and aircraft.
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331
<http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTO
S51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1>
&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
Pictures;
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331
<http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTO
S51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1>
&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Need some engine advice |
Can anyone help me with this? I wanted to do something that would improve performance
but I did not want to spend too much money. It was recommended by a Cessna
A&P to port and polish the intake and exhaust. We found out they used abrasive
material to do it, like gritty sand. So I got with my Cessna A&P and we decided
to try it for ourselves. We got a bag of sandblasting sand and hooked up
into the intake and started the engine. We had to hold the throttle open so
it would run. He wanted to let the engine suck in the sand through the intake
so it would port it out and then push it out the ehxaust so it would port the
exhaust manifold. I was worried that it might cause problems but he figured it'd
be OK as long as we didn't get any in the oil compartment. After running the
engine and letting it suck in sand we got about half way through a 25 lb bag.
However, it made quite a mess out of the hangar and the engine was bucking and
kicking and sounding really weird. We stopped and hooked the intake back up
normal and took off the sand supply. We tried to start it again and it was really
hard. Once started, it couldn't idle and kept making weird noises. Instead
of running better, it was running worse. We took it out and flew it, and it
started to make scraping and knocking noises. Help! Can anyone tell me what to
do!
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Need some engine advice |
| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
Happy April fools, Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Sent: Fri, Apr 1, 2011 12:15 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need some engine advice
steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Can anyone help me with this? I wanted to do something that would improve
erformance but I did not want to spend too much money. It was recommended b
y a
essna A&P to port and polish the intake and exhaust. We found out they used
brasive material to do it, like gritty sand. So I got with my Cessna A&P an
d we
ecided to try it for ourselves. We got a bag of sandblasting sand and hooke
d up
nto the intake and started the engine. We had to hold the throttle open so
it
ould run. He wanted to let the engine suck in the sand through the intake s
o it
ould port it out and then push it out the ehxaust so it would port the exha
ust
anifold. I was worried that it might cause problems but he figured it'd be
OK
s long as we didn't get any in the oil compartment. After running the engin
e
nd letting it suck in sand we got about half way through a 25 lb bag. Howev
er,
t made quite a mess out of the hangar and the engine was bucking and kickin
g
nd sounding really weird. We stopped and!
hooked the intake back up normal and took off the sand supply. We tried to
tart it again and it was really hard. Once started, it couldn't idle and ke
pt
aking weird noises. Instead of running better, it was running worse. We too
k it
ut and flew it, and it started to make scraping and knocking noises. Help!
Can
nyone tell me what to do!
teve
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need some engine advice |
You almost had me on this one...April fool?
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Apr 1, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM wrote:
FORSCOM"
>
> Can anyone help me with this? I wanted to do something that would
improve performance but I did not want to spend too much money. It was
recommended by a Cessna A&P to port and polish the intake and exhaust.
We found out they used abrasive material to do it, like gritty sand. So
I got with my Cessna A&P and we decided to try it for ourselves. We got
a bag of sandblasting sand and hooked up into the intake and started the
engine. We had to hold the throttle open so it would run. He wanted to
let the engine suck in the sand through the intake so it would port it
out and then push it out the ehxaust so it would port the exhaust
manifold. I was worried that it might cause problems but he figured it'd
be OK as long as we didn't get any in the oil compartment. After running
the engine and letting it suck in sand we got about half way through a
25 lb bag. However, it made quite a mess out of the hangar and the
engine was bucking and kicking and sounding really weird. We stopped
and!
> hooked the intake back up normal and took off the sand supply. We
tried to start it again and it was really hard. Once started, it
couldn't idle and kept making weird noises. Instead of running better,
it was running worse. We took it out and flew it, and it started to make
scraping and knocking noises. Help! Can anyone tell me what to do!
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Need some engine advice |
Hope it was a Corvair Steve, April Fools!
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 12:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need some engine advice
Can anyone help me with this? I wanted to do something that would improve
performance but I did not want to spend too much money. It was recommended
by a Cessna A&P to port and polish the intake and exhaust. We found out they
used abrasive material to do it, like gritty sand. So I got with my Cessna
A&P and we decided to try it for ourselves. We got a bag of sandblasting
sand and hooked up into the intake and started the engine. We had to hold
the throttle open so it would run. He wanted to let the engine suck in the
sand through the intake so it would port it out and then push it out the
ehxaust so it would port the exhaust manifold. I was worried that it might
cause problems but he figured it'd be OK as long as we didn't get any in the
oil compartment. After running the engine and letting it suck in sand we got
about half way through a 25 lb bag. However, it made quite a mess out of the
hangar and the engine was bucking and kicking and sounding really weird. We
stopped and!
hooked the intake back up normal and took off the sand supply. We tried to
start it again and it was really hard. Once started, it couldn't idle and
kept making weird noises. Instead of running better, it was running worse.
We took it out and flew it, and it started to make scraping and knocking
noises. Help! Can anyone tell me what to do!
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Need some engine advice |
Uh ok then! haha April fools!
In a message dated 4/1/2011 1:15:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM"
Can anyone help me with this? I wanted to do something that would improve
performance but I did not want to spend too much money. It was recommended
by a Cessna A&P to port and polish the intake and exhaust. We found out
they used abrasive material to do it, like gritty sand. So I got with my
Cessna A&P and we decided to try it for ourselves. We got a bag of sandblasting
sand and hooked up into the intake and started the engine. We had to hold
the throttle open so it would run. He wanted to let the engine suck in the
sand through the intake so it would port it out and then push it out the
ehxaust so it would port the exhaust manifold. I was worried that it might
cause problems but he figured it'd be OK as long as we didn't get any in the
oil compartment. After running the engine and letting it suck in sand we got
about half way through a 25 lb bag. However, it made quite a mess out of
the hangar and the engine was bucking and kicking and sounding really weird.
We stopped and!
hooked the intake back up normal and took off the sand supply. We tried to
start it again and it was really hard. Once started, it couldn't idle and
kept making weird noises. Instead of running better, it was running worse.
We took it out and flew it, and it started to make scraping and knocking
noises. Help! Can anyone tell me what to do!
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need some engine advice |
Steve:
Never try to get away with a story like that on April Fools Day. Any
other time we would buy it - hook, line, and sinker.
Stinemetze
>>> "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM"
4/1/2011 12:10 PM >>>
We stopped and!
hooked the intake back up normal and took off the sand supply. We tried
to start it again and it was really hard. Once started, it couldn't idle
and kept making weird noises. Instead of running better, it was running
worse. We took it out and flew it, and it started to make scraping and
knocking noises. Help! Can anyone tell me what to do!
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: A momentous day |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Happy April 1st.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| From: | Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Storms damage Piets |
I really feel bad for everyone that lost a plane out there. Pics of the cleanup
at;
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110401&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=401009997&Ref=PH&pl=1
________________________________
From: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 10:55:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Storms damage Piets
A real bummer. :(
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Need some engine advice |
| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
I had this same problem, I discovered it was low blinker fluid. Added synthetic
blinker fluid and that corrected the problem.
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| Subject: | Fuselage Wedge Fillers |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
For the fuselage, plans show a total of 3 wedge fillers glued between the fore-end
spruce verticals. I am not trying to overthink, but is that it? Built per
plans, only 3 wedge fillers. All other joints are similarly double gusseted
with 1/8" plyboard. Is there a need for wedge fillers for the other fuselage
verticals?
Thanks,
Tom
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Fw: [raa_national] RAA news and events, SnF storm |
Subject: Re: [raa_national] RAA news and events, SnF storm
> This video is also interesting.. it puts the simple cheap pet store doggie
> screw tie downs @ about twice as good as the claw in Florida soil !
> Provided you get it in without snapping the head off..
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Loq1olceSIE
>
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Fuselage Wedge Fillers |
Tom, not sure exactly which ones you are referring to. If you follow the
plans you will not have to remove the wedges as I did here
http://www.textors.com/IMG_7497_1600x1067.jpg I re-designed the engine mount
so I did not have the cut into the cross piece as the plans called for and
others have done.
Jack
DSM
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Wedge Fillers
For the fuselage, plans show a total of 3 wedge fillers glued between the
fore-end spruce verticals. I am not trying to overthink, but is that it?
Built per plans, only 3 wedge fillers. All other joints are similarly
double gusseted with 1/8" plyboard. Is there a need for wedge fillers for
the other fuselage verticals?
Thanks,
Tom
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Fuselage Wedge Fillers |
Attached is a picture from Jack Phillips as per plans for the lower engine
mounts.
Jack
DSM
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Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 5:26 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Wedge Fillers
Tom, not sure exactly which ones you are referring to. If you follow the
plans you will not have to remove the wedges as I did here
http://www.textors.com/IMG_7497_1600x1067.jpg I re-designed the engine mount
so I did not have the cut into the cross piece as the plans called for and
others have done.
Jack
DSM
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Wedge Fillers
For the fuselage, plans show a total of 3 wedge fillers glued between the
fore-end spruce verticals. I am not trying to overthink, but is that it?
Built per plans, only 3 wedge fillers. All other joints are similarly
double gusseted with 1/8" plyboard. Is there a need for wedge fillers for
the other fuselage verticals?
Thanks,
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: [raa_national] RAA news and events, SnF storm |
| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
I believe the screw in tie downs were banned at Oshkosh years ago after a similar
storm rolled through. Also a friend had three Cub Crafter Carbon Cubs tied
down using the claw at SNF that didn't pull out. They said all that did were
the corkscrew style. The cubs were surrounded on all sides by a/c carnage.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: [raa_national] RAA news and events, SnF storm |
Of course, the obvious flaw in this testing is pulling straight up on
the
tie-down. When tying your plane down, you should never put the anchor
directly under the tie-down point on the airplane. Put it out at a
45=B0
angle ahead and to the side for the wing tie-downs, and a few feet aft
for
the tail. This puts the load on the anchor as more of a side load where
any
of the anchors are better.
I used a screw type auger when I lived in south Texas and had to anchor
in
sandy soil. For the clay we have in this part of the world, I find the
Claw
works better.
Looking at the photos from SNF, I see both types dangling from broken
airplanes. That Husky on amphib floats has a nice picture of a claw
tie-dwon still attached to its rope. I think the point here is that if
your
plane is tied down with anything other than a concrete anchor in the
ramp,
if a tornado hits it, the result will not be pretty.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Raleigh, NC
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Dawson
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 2:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: [raa_national] RAA news and events, SnF
storm
Subject: Re: [raa_national] RAA news and events, SnF storm
> This video is also interesting.. it puts the simple cheap pet store
doggie
> screw tie downs @ about twice as good as the claw in Florida soil !
> Provided you get it in without snapping the head off..
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Loq1olceSIE
>
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| Subject: | Re: Storms damage Piets |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Gardiner, Bruce and Frank,
My heart goes out to each of you. Gardiner's Piet is the only one I have seen
in person. I drooled all over it in late 2009 before it was flown. You guys don't
think for a minute you have not been in my prayers. I have just been so distraught
over your loss I just couldn't post anything until now. Hang in there
guys. Time is the only thing that can heal your wounds. I lost an airplane in
1973. I have been in your shoes...just been a long time. My wounds are healed
but the airplane is not forgotten!
We have a good group here and continue to hang out here. It will be good therapy
for y'all and US!
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "cjborsuk" <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com> |
Working on my wing. Just finished putting on the leading and trailing edges and
the wing tips, so I put it all together to see how it looks. Exciting stuff!!
It looks so much like a piece of art, I decided to turn it into art. Well, to
be honest, whoever said it wasn't art already?? I hope you enjoy.
Chuck in Raleigh
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
I actually like the natural color the best. Beautiful work, Chuck.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art
Working on my wing. Just finished putting on the leading and trailing edges
and the wing tips, so I put it all together to see how it looks. Exciting
stuff!! It looks so much like a piece of art, I decided to turn it into art.
Well, to be honest, whoever said it wasn't art already?? I hope you enjoy.
Chuck in Raleigh
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Fuselage Wedge Fillers |
Tom
The only wedge fillers I added are where the engine mount fittings attach to
the front of fuselage and where the landing gear fittings attach. In all the
construction photos I have seen I haven't noticed many people add fillers to
the other joints.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Wedge Fillers
-->
For the fuselage, plans show a total of 3 wedge fillers glued between the
fore-end spruce verticals. I am not trying to overthink, but is that it?
Built per plans, only 3 wedge fillers. All other joints are similarly
double gusseted with 1/8" plyboard. Is there a need for wedge fillers for
the other fuselage verticals?
Thanks,
Tom
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| Subject: | Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I am going to be in MSP on business later this week. I am trying to put on my scrounger
hat while I am there. I know that Minnesota is a part of the country
that has better choices in wood than I do down in Georgia. Does anyone know of
a wood supplier in that area? My thought is I could purchase the wood I want,
and ship it home cheaper than I can ordering it. I get a good shipping rate via
my employer. Any thoughts? Your help is greatly appreciated.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| From: | Matt Wash <mattwash(at)mattwash.com> |
The natural colored picture is frame worthy.
Congrats, beautiful work.
~Matt
On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 9:31 AM, cjborsuk wrote:
>
> Working on my wing. Just finished putting on the leading and trailing edges
> and the wing tips, so I put it all together to see how it looks. Exciting
> stuff!! It looks so much like a piece of art, I decided to turn it into art.
> Well, to be honest, whoever said it wasn't art already?? I hope you enjoy.
>
> Chuck in Raleigh
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Rudder Bar and Post |
All,
The plans call for an AN5 for the top rudder bar/post connection. Is an AN4
ok for the bottom bolts for the post and brace?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Seat frame heights for long fuselage Piet |
| From: | "flash308" <flash308(at)aol.com> |
What is the front and rear seat frame heights for long fuselage Pietenpol ?
The plans do not show the measurements.[/list]
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Seat frame heights for long fuselage Piet |
Same height as the short fuselage.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 1:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat frame heights for long fuselage Piet
What is the front and rear seat frame heights for long fuselage Pietenpol ?
The plans do not show the measurements.[/list]
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Funny--I'm in Minnesota and get all my wood from Georgia (Peach Tree City Aircraft
Spruce). I, however, don't have the experience to select wood and rip it
to my satisfaction. Maybe Dick Navratil or Greg Cardinal could help. Or Ken
Heide?
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Wedge Fillers |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Chris and Jack,
Thanks for your input. You answered my question. The plans call for using the
wedges in the fuse by the landing gear (but didn't show any added further aft)
and I just wanted to clarify that.
Coincidence has it I received answers from the two people I consulted in other
ways. Right after posting I looked up Jack's website and Westcoast Piet and perused
all the pics I could of fuselage's in construction. Both sites have been
real valuable in building. K5YAC's build site is also really helpful (among
others!).
Thanks again.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Tom,
It is my understanding that all of the wood gets shipped from Aircraft Spruce West,
not East (GA). But having said that, I will check for sure. If you have contact
info for those guys you mentioned, that would be much appreciated.
I don't mind ripping, planing, and cutting my own wood. I am sort of in the endurance
run mode, not the sprint. I want to take it slow, easy, and enjoy the process.
I will finish the airplane when I finish it, and not a day sooner. I am
also in the "I found a good deal by searching and scrounging" mode as well.
Thanks for the advice.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Seat frame heights for long fuselage Piet |
| From: | "flash308" <flash308(at)aol.com> |
Catdesigns wrote:
> Same height as the short fuselage.
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, Ca
> Westcoastpiet.com
>
>
> --
May I ask what the measurements are. I am looking for distance from floor front
and back of seat. It also appears that they are different front and rear seats
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Terry,
I suppose I could be wrong--maybe some of my wood has shipped from the West, but
my last shipment was delayed a good 10 days because of the storm we had in February
that seemed to shut down everything from the southeast.
As for contacts, I'd bet all three are lurking this site and will be able to provide.
I don't have Ken Heide's number off hand, but if you go back a page or
two to a post I had about a Minnesota Corvair engine, Ken listed his number as
one of the replies.
Hope your trip to Minnesota is a good one. Lindbergh International, I suppose?
Tom
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| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
I actually have a similar shot, taken by Shelley, from under the wing looking down
the length. The top fabric is draped across the top. It's framed in my office
as a black and white.
do no archive
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis |
Don't know about all of you=2C but I have always had better luck with Wicks
=2C aren't they in Minnesota?
Gene
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis
> From: tdudley(at)umn.edu
> Date: Sun=2C 3 Apr 2011 15:28:11 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Terry=2C
>
> I suppose I could be wrong--maybe some of my wood has shipped from the We
st=2C but my last shipment was delayed a good 10 days because of the storm
we had in February that seemed to shut down everything from the southeast.
>
> As for contacts=2C I'd bet all three are lurking this site and will be ab
le to provide. I don't have Ken Heide's number off hand=2C but if you go ba
ck a page or two to a post I had about a Minnesota Corvair engine=2C Ken li
sted his number as one of the replies.
>
> Hope your trip to Minnesota is a good one. Lindbergh International=2C I s
uppose?
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Southern IL, actually....
On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:
> Don't know about all of you, but I have always had better luck with Wicks,
> aren't they in Minnesota?
>
> Gene
>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis
> > From: tdudley(at)umn.edu
> > Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 15:28:11 -0700
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Terry,
> >
> > I suppose I could be wrong--maybe some of my wood has shipped from the
> West, but my last shipment was delayed a good 10 days because of the storm
> we had in February that seemed to shut down everything from the southeast.
> >
> > As for contacts, I'd bet all three are lurking this site and will be able
> to provide. I don't have Ken Heide's number off hand, but if you go back a
> page or two to a post I had about a Minnesota Corvair engine, Ken listed his
> number as one of the replies.
> >
> > Hope your trip to Minnesota is a good one. Lindbergh International, I
> suppose?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335987#335987
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
LHR-MSP on 4/7
MSP-LHR on 4/8
If there are any Pietenpols in the immediate vicinity of MSP I would sure love
to see them. If not, I will just wait til Brodhead.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| From: | Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net> |
There is no doubt about it, looking at a naked Piet is absolutely art work.
In some ways better than one with the cover on.There were times I
did not want to cover it. Keep up the great work and take a lot of picture
s. Hopefully you won=99t have to see her naked again once she gets dr
essed !! =C2---- On Sun, 4/3/11, cjborsuk wrote:
From: cjborsuk <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art
Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:31 AM
Working on my wing. Just finished putting on the leading and trailing edges
and the wing tips, so I put it all together to see how it looks. Exciting
stuff!! It looks so much like a piece of art, I decided to turn it into art
. Well, to be honest, whoever said it wasn't art already?? I hope you enjoy
.
Chuck in Raleigh
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Terry I bought all my wood from the Atlanta (Peachtree City) store. I picked it
up in my truck and saw their stock and wood mill shop. They had quite a stock
of wood,plywood and tubing. The have a semi park at the dock of the warehouse
and I asked what they were going to put in it. They said that it was full of
packing peanuts and that they used a load every couple of days! My wood was not
cheap but outstanding quality.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Jerry,
March 25, 2011 - April 03, 2011
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