Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-ki
April 03, 2011 - April 20, 2011
Thanks for the heads up! I guess I just assumed the wood came out of Aircraft Spruce
West.
I live about an hour and a half from Peachtree City. I still am going to look in
Minneapolis, but, if I have to I will drive down and get what I need. I still
want to try and find it in a less expensive way.
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Semper Fi,
Terry
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| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Sure looks like art to me...... beautiful...!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Powered Piets |
| From: | "Larry Vetter" <vetter(at)evertek.net> |
I don't care what they were powered with its a shame three nice Pietenpols were
damaged this way. I feel sorry for the guys that put all that time and work into
them and now see them all piled in a ball. I hope they all are rebuilt and
return to the air.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Seat frame heights for long fuselage Piet |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
I think the plans show the front seat is 7 5/8" high
and the rear is 6" at the front end
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | some thoughts on rebuilding |
Like some of you on this list, I was faced with rebuilding my Piet
after an unfortunate incident. Mine was not as bad as Gardiner's,
probably not as bad as John Dilatush's, certainly not as bad as
Douwe's, worse than Kevin's and probably Jack's. None of which is
to say that I'm looking to compare the amount of sick feeling, or
anguish, or disappointment, or disheartenment that any of us felt-
but only to say that there will more than likely be setbacks for any
of us at one time or another and it is at that point that you find
out whether you were intended to fly one of these things or not.
In my case, it happened even before I had ever laid eyes on my Piet,
sat in it, or heard the engine run. In the case of our friend
Charles with his wing spars, it happened before he had even completed
his wings. It's different for every one of us who hits a big brick wall
in our stint as a Piet builder, pilot, or owner.
In my case, the rebuild after the nose-over incident was a very
educational and important time. Sort of like a nurse who comes to
know and love a patient who comes into the emergency room in serious
condition, over a period of months and years I came to know my airplane
intimately, and just as the patient one day is able to stand on his
own and take some steps, so it was with my Piet. One afternoon it
was time to start the engine, and it started! Didn't run for long,
but it was a joyful time nevertheless. Then it was the first taxi
test after rebuild, and then -what a wonderful day- that return to
service flight. Glorious. I loved every minute of the rebuild, even
the frustrating days when I would find something else that needed
attention or I had to order some materials or fabricate something else.
How did Alfred Lord Tennyson put it? "I hold it true, whate'er befall/
I feel it, when I sorrow most/ 'Tis better to have loved and lost/
Than never to have loved at all".
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
I like the wood colored one myself. Nice work by the way.
My heart's still in my throat over those beautiful Piets at Sun N Fun.
It's hard to know what to say other than; My prayers are with you guys!
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "cjborsuk" 4/3/2011 9:31 AM >>>
Working on my wing. Just finished putting on the leading and trailing
edges and the wing tips, so I put it all together to see how it looks.
Exciting stuff!! It looks so much like a piece of art, I decided to turn
it into art. Well, to be honest, whoever said it wasn't art already?? I
hope you enjoy.
Chuck in Raleigh
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis |
Check with Youngblood Lumber at 612 789-3521. Their spruce supply is
erratic, I don't know if they carry marine plywood.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: <tdudley(at)umn.edu>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 4:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis
>
> Funny--I'm in Minnesota and get all my wood from Georgia (Peach Tree City
> Aircraft Spruce). I, however, don't have the experience to select wood
> and rip it to my satisfaction. Maybe Dick Navratil or Greg Cardinal could
> help. Or Ken Heide?
>
> Tom
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335977#335977
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seat frame heights for long fuselage Piet |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Referencing the sheet that says Drawing No. 1 on the top right hand corner.
Front seat is 7-5/8 inches high above the floor and appears to be level front to
back.
Rear seat is 6 inches in the front and even with the top of the extra long gusset
in the back, which would be 2-1/4 inch high from the bottom of the longeron.
Chris
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [raa_national] RAA news and events, SnF storm |
The big problem with big fly-ins is your airplane is only as safe as the on
e tied down next to you.- If his goes flying about, it's gotta land somew
here.- We need to be a self policing (spelling) bunch, with out being see
n as a bunch of jerks.- It broke my heart to see those Piets in a big pil
e, hope they get em flying again.
-
Shad
=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Hey! Anyone out there. I'm not getting anything.
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
???
Care to elaborate?
BC
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| From: | Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
It is a shame to cover all of the hard work that goes into a Piet.
I'm often popping an inspection cover off my wing to show curious
observers the work inside.
But, covering a Piet allows you to do this (pictures from my weekend):
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0581.JPG
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0579.JPG
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0619.JPG
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0642.JPG
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0566.JPG
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0533.JPG
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0489.JPG
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0647.JPG
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0658.JPG
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0672.JPG
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting Frank Metcalfe :
> There is no doubt about it, looking at a naked Piet is absolutely
> art work. In some ways better than one with the cover on.There were
> times I did not want to cover it. Keep up the great work and take a
> lot of pictures. Hopefully you wont have to see her naked again
> once she gets dressed !! --- On Sun, 4/3/11, cjborsuk
> wrote:
>
>
> From: cjborsuk <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:31 AM
>
>
> Working on my wing. Just finished putting on the leading and
> trailing edges and the wing tips, so I put it all together to see
> how it looks. Exciting stuff!! It looks so much like a piece of art,
> I decided to turn it into art. Well, to be honest, whoever said it
> wasn't art already?? I hope you enjoy.
>
> Chuck in Raleigh
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335928#335928
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_yellow_wing_4_2_11_013_869.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_053_996.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_035_239.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_030_315.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_002_201.jpg
>
>
> t
> S WEB FORUMS -
> on Web Site -
> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis |
Terry,
How much time will you have in Minneapolis and how many would you like to
see?
Dale Johnson and I have 1 at SGS (South St. Paul)
Dick Navratil has 2 at OEO (Osceola, WI)
Bob Poore has 1 at LVN (Lakeville)
EAA Chapter 25 has one in the early stages of construction also at LVN
There are more......
Greg Cardinal
612 721-6235
----- Original Message -----
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 6:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis
>
>
> LHR-MSP on 4/7
>
> MSP-LHR on 4/8
>
> If there are any Pietenpols in the immediate vicinity of MSP I would sure
> love to see them. If not, I will just wait til Brodhead.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335997#335997
>
>
>
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
On 4/4/2011 1:05 PM, Charles Campbell wrote:
> Hey! Anyone out there. I'm not getting anything.
> *
>
>
> *
We figured you could use a break.
Get back to work!
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Douwe's article in the most recent edition of the BPA |
and William Wynnye and Ryan Mueller's Weight and Balance article series
I REALLY want to send a BIG congratulations out for such a WELL written art
icle by Douwe B. in the last edition of the BPA
newsletter. Just outstanding Douwe....thank you very much for your words
of wisdom and I admire your motivation in rebuilding
and not only that but rebuilding her better than she was ever or would have
been before.
And for all of you who are going to be doing weight and balance calculation
s and figuring out where to position your wing and motor,
the THREE article series by WW and Ryan Mueller are MUST READS and many tha
nk-you's should go out to them for taking time out
of their VACATION TIME to do all of those weight and balances on various Pi
etenpols and documenting the fuselage lengths, weights,
wing setbacks, etc. for all who are building or will be building and having
to do W&B Calculations.
Also a big thank you to Doc and Dee Mosher who volunteer countless hours p
utting together those newsletters, getting them to the
printer, and then sending them out to us. We all owe them a great debt o
f gratitude because that's not a paid job by any means and
I doubt if our BPA dues barely cover the costs involved. Here here to
all of you.
Mike C. in Ohio
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| From: | "cjborsuk" <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com> |
Steve,
That is what I call a great weekend! Where were the pics taken? Can't wait to join
you.
Thanks guys for the comments. This really is a great group. Looking forward to
meeting many of you in person. Raleigh to Brodhead is about 16 hours according
to Google maps. Might have to make that happen this summer!
Chuck
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Raleigh to Brodhead takes about 16 hours driving, but only about 15 hours by
Pietenpol. I actually did it in one day a few years ago, leaving Raleigh
(Apex) just before dawn and landing at Brodhead about 15 minutes after
sundown. Never again! My butt was sore for days, and my hearing has never
been the same.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 5:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet as Art
Steve,
That is what I call a great weekend! Where were the pics taken? Can't wait
to join you.
Thanks guys for the comments. This really is a great group. Looking forward
to meeting many of you in person. Raleigh to Brodhead is about 16 hours
according to Google maps. Might have to make that happen this summer!
Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: Douwe's article in the most recent edition of the |
BPA and Wi
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
I will second what Mike says.... normally anything he says but the comments above
in particular......... thx [Laughing] [Laughing]
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Douwe's article in the most recent edition of the |
BPA and Wi
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Can back issues be purchased?
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John
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| From: | santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar> |
| Subject: | Rudder Bar and Post |
Jack, the F&GM says 3/16 bolts for the post and 1/4 for the bracing tube
Hope this helps.
-
Santiago
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Chuck go here http://www.matronics.com/subscribe and make sure you are
subscribed. Then make sure any email from Matronics is "white listed" with
your provider Windstream. In another email I will forward you the emails
from the list today. Also I think you can view the emails here
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/pietenpol-list/index.html . And here
you can see if your email was removed from Matronics because of bouncing
emails http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed/bouncing.cgi .
Hope this helps,
Jack
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From: Charles Campbell [mailto:cncampbell(at)windstream.net]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:00 PM
Subject: Piet List
Jack, last week I also signed up for the Corvair list in addition to the
Piet list. Now I'm not getting either one. How can I get the Piet list to
return? I don't really care about the Corvair list -- I hear it's pretty
snotty, anyway, but I really miss the Piet list posts. HELP!
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Nice shots Steve, what are the "rotted out parts" you were parked next to?
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ruse
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art
It is a shame to cover all of the hard work that goes into a Piet.
I'm often popping an inspection cover off my wing to show curious
observers the work inside.
But, covering a Piet allows you to do this (pictures from my weekend):
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0581.JPG
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0579.JPG
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0619.JPG
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0642.JPG
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0566.JPG
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0533.JPG
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0489.JPG
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0647.JPG
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0658.JPG
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0672.JPG
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting Frank Metcalfe :
> There is no doubt about it, looking at a naked Piet is absolutely
> art work. In some ways better than one with the cover on.There were
> times I did not want to cover it. Keep up the great work and take a
> lot of pictures. Hopefully you wont have to see her naked again
> once she gets dressed !! --- On Sun, 4/3/11, cjborsuk
> wrote:
>
>
> From: cjborsuk <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:31 AM
>
>
> Working on my wing. Just finished putting on the leading and
> trailing edges and the wing tips, so I put it all together to see
> how it looks. Exciting stuff!! It looks so much like a piece of art,
> I decided to turn it into art. Well, to be honest, whoever said it
> wasn't art already?? I hope you enjoy.
>
> Chuck in Raleigh
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335928#335928
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_yellow_wing_4_2_11_013_869.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_053_996.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_035_239.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_030_315.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/small_wing_4_2_11_002_201.jpg
>
>
> t
> S WEB FORUMS -
> on Web Site -
> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Damage at Sun n' Fun |
Jack, I'm having some trouble with the piet list -- I'm not receiving
anything. I'm sending this as a test to see if it comes through. Do
not archive. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 8:30 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
After a day travelling in the mountains in Virginia with no internet,
this was a horrible thing to wake up to. My heart goes out to all the
pilots, especially our Pietenpol bunch. I'm just so glad no one was
seriously hurt.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 5:11 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
I've talked to Gardiner, and he and the other Piet builders are fine.
Amazingly, and thankfully, no one was injured.
As I understand it, several of the folks from Carrolton who had not
gone to Sun-N-Fun are on the road now, driving to Lakeland to help out.
Many thanks to all of you for your concern and prayers.
Best regards,
Susan Mason
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From: Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 2:53:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot
of bad weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and
aircraft.
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=
PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
Pictures;
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=
PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Damage at Sun n' Fun |
Came through for me
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
Jack, I'm having some trouble with the piet list -- I'm not receiving
anything. I'm sending this as a test to see if it comes through. Do not
archive. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack <mailto:pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Phillips
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 8:30 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
After a day travelling in the mountains in Virginia with no internet, this
was a horrible thing to wake up to. My heart goes out to all the pilots,
especially our Pietenpol bunch. I'm just so glad no one was seriously hurt.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
I've talked to Gardiner, and he and the other Piet builders are fine.
Amazingly, and thankfully, no one was injured.
As I understand it, several of the folks from Carrolton who had not gone to
Sun-N-Fun are on the road now, driving to Lakeland to help out.
Many thanks to all of you for your concern and prayers.
Best regards,
Susan Mason
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From: Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 2:53:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Damage at Sun n' Fun
Were praying for all our friends out at Sun n' Fun. We're seeing a lot of
bad weather down here, reports of a tornado, damaged buildings and aircraft.
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331
<http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTO
S51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1>
&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
Pictures;
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331
<http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Dato 110331&Kategori=PHOTO
S51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1>
&Kategori=PHOTOS51&Lopenr=331009999&Ref=PH&pl=1
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
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| Subject: | Re: some thoughts on rebuilding |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Axel-? You misjudge me! No ear for poetry? I am your non-typical engineer.
I do not look down at my shoes when I speak to beautiful women but I find myself
completely at a loss for words when I stand in a cloud of blue smoke from a
big radial engine when it starts up and I hear that stammering, banging sound
of it clattering and chuffing to life. Airplanes, engines, and women all elicit
some of the most poetic things that I can express.
I can wax eloquent when I find myself in the cockpit of my Piet early of a spring
afternoon with the smell of green growing crops filling the cockpit, mingled
with the sweet smell of 100LL, wood, fabric, and hot Aeroshell as they are whipped
together by a laminated wooden prop into the richest blend of sights, smells,
and sounds that I can imagine. Don't start me to lyin'... there is really
nothing better to pique all of the senses that a pilot has available to him
or her, no matter what age.
Poetry? You'll have some of that flowing from you after you get your engine buttoned
back up and get Fat Bottomed Girl back in the air. Come back and talk
to me about poetry after you are behind the stick again.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis |
Different Tom here...
I have bought my wood (Doug Fir) recently from Youngblood Lumber in NE Minn
eapolis. It might be right up your alley if you're looking for something l
ess expensive than aircraft grade spruce. If you'd like to see my project
and check out the wood=2C feel free to contact me. 612-210-4103. I was lo
oking for spar material at Youngblood. What I found was=2C well.... I can
get spars from it with some ripping and gluing to remove areas with pitch
pockets. The grain in some instances has slope of around 1/2" in 15" and s
ome waves here and there but it seems to be within specs for spar material
- like I said - as long as you're willing to rip and laminate your spars.
I got (2) 16'-0" long rough cut 1 x 6 pieces for about $120 out the door.
I bought only two so I could get them home=2C plane them and make a decisio
n on their quality. I'm still waffling whether I want to laminate the spar
s or just face the music and pay ASS for aircraft grade spruce plus shippin
g. I wish I wasn't so cheap!
Just for comparison=2C I recently got a quote from ASS for my spar material
plus a shipping quote. Would be about $130 for shipping alone. So=2C fig
ure if you bought material from MN and shipped it=2C you'd add that to your
cost - maybe you're not saving much then???
Tom B.
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for a wood supplier in Minneapolis
> From: jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com
> Date: Sun=2C 3 Apr 2011 10:37:59 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
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tmail.com>
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> I am going to be in MSP on business later this week. I am trying to put o
n my scrounger hat while I am there. I know that Minnesota is a part of the
country that has better choices in wood than I do down in Georgia. Does an
yone know of a wood supplier in that area? My thought is I could purchase t
he wood I want=2C and ship it home cheaper than I can ordering it. I get a
good shipping rate via my employer. Any thoughts? Your help is greatly appr
eciated.
>
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> Semper Fi=2C
>
> Terry
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| Subject: | "Historical reference only" |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Guys
Did you know that since our Piet plans have not been "modernized" for safety
and certification standards our Pietenpols are hereby grounded and for
"historical reference only"?
>From the latest March 31 EAA Hotline article:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
*CORBEN SUPER ACE PLANS AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE*
Ace Aircraft Inc. announced it is now selling reproductions of the original
Corben Super Ace plans from 1935. As these 1935 plans have not been
modernized for current aviation safety and certification standards, these
plans are intended for "historical reference purposes only."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I am very sorry to inform you that since our Piet plans are dated 1934 and
are not modernized they must be surrendered immediately to your nearest FAA
district office. However if your Piet has been "modernized" with a
"relatively modern" Corvair engine (compared to an ancient 1939 vintage A65)
you may disregard this notice.
Have a nice day.
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Mad Dog to Mother Goose! Mad Dog to Mother Goose!"
Don't pay no mind to those other guys. :-) You're
5X5 here all the way out on the wet coast.
Clif
Unfortunately, you're on your own with this part
of the message.....
I'm not getting anything.
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04/04/11
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| From: | "Steve Ruse" <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
I'm not sure Jack, wish I knew. My best guess is that it was some kind of
pumping unit. The brown mess up front was an engine and there was a
driveshaft going towards the back. The structural timbers were huge. The
steel was so corroded from the salts that it was soft...rusted all the way
through, even pieces still near 1" thick were just a mass of soft rust.
Almost gone entirely. It was really interesting...wish I knew what it was.
Somebody paid a lot of money and did a lot of work to get it out there...now
it is almost gone. From the construction (steel engine, large timbers,
etc.) I'd guess it was made between 1910 and 1940.
Clyde Cessna did his early flights on those salt flats. The local bankers
didn't want to back him so he went to Wichita instead, undoubtedly changing
what might have been.
I saw multiple old, old bottles...including a brown glass clorox bleach
bottle. How long has it been since clorox came in brown glass bottles?
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
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From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art
>
> Nice shots Steve, what are the "rotted out parts" you were parked next to?
> Jack
> DSM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ruse
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:24 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art
>
>
>
> It is a shame to cover all of the hard work that goes into a Piet.
> I'm often popping an inspection cover off my wing to show curious
> observers the work inside.
>
> But, covering a Piet allows you to do this (pictures from my weekend):
>
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0581.JPG
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0579.JPG
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0619.JPG
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0642.JPG
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0566.JPG
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0533.JPG
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0489.JPG
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0647.JPG
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0658.JPG
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0672.JPG
>
> Steve Ruse
> Norman, OK
>
> Quoting Frank Metcalfe :
>
>> There is no doubt about it, looking at a naked Piet is absolutely
>> art work. In some ways better than one with the cover on..There were
>> times I did not want to cover it. Keep up the great work and take a
>> lot of pictures. Hopefully you won't have to see her naked again
>> once she gets dressed !! --- On Sun, 4/3/11, cjborsuk
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: cjborsuk <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet as Art
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:31 AM
>>
>>
>>
>> Working on my wing. Just finished putting on the leading and
>> trailing edges and the wing tips, so I put it all together to see
>> how it looks. Exciting stuff!! It looks so much like a piece of art,
>> I decided to turn it into art. Well, to be honest, whoever said it
>> wasn't art already?? I hope you enjoy.
>>
>> Chuck in Raleigh
>>
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335928#335928
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Thanks Steve for those gorgeous photos!!
Things like that are truly a "shot in the arm" during the long, dark, cold
winter days of rebuilding. Helps with the daydreams.
Douwe
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| Subject: | trimming adjustments |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
Well, the spring here in the Texas panhandle is not the best time for test flights
but it is where I'm at. I have one short flight on the GN-1 I got from D.J.
as a project. and it flew pretty well. I hesitate to change anything till I
get at least one longer flight in fairly calm conditions.the first one was more
to prove to myself that the plane is going to be manageable in flight and I
can get it on the ground safely. considering that it went well- I needed to hold
some forward stick to maintain level flight and left wing a little heavy but
not bad. what I'm wondering is-though I did the best I could at using the dimensions
of the fuselage/seat positions, fuel tank centerline. etc. to calculate
the empty C/G. and the wing is set at a higher angle of attack to help the
aircraft fly at a more level attitude. I think DJ did a good job there- I first
was thinking that I should raise the front of the horizontal stabilizer some
to help it be more neutral. I am wondering if it might be more useful to move
the battery forward some.it is behind the rear seat now since that is where I
needed it to go to get the figures to come out right. but since the the stabilizer
is flat with the fuselage longerons-if the plane is in pretty close to level
flight that might be a good indication that my weight is a little too far
aft. any thoughts or advice? I know losing 20 pounds could help but I doubt that'll
happen. the winds are again forecast 10 to 25 from the southwest today
and they're already over 20. that's pushing my comfort zone for test flights with
only one rough runway along a barbed wire fence. but hey the crank didn't
snap yet! Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: trimming adjustments |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Raymond,
Good to hear that you've managed to get airborne. But, if the weather isn't right
(and by "right", I mean dead calm), then it just isn't the right time to be
doing test flights. I think you'll need to keep your enthusiasm in check, and
use intellect, rather than emotions to decide whether conditions are right for
flying. Just ask Douwe, if you need a second opinion.
As for your W&B, you mention that you did the calculations as best you could to
calculate the empty CG, but did you actually do proper W&B measurements with
the finished plane? The way you wrote it, it sounds as though you haven't. Hopefully
that's just a misinterpretation.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: trimming adjustments |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
well yes as usual I probably didn't explain the W&B calc right. as many experimentals
go- this one has a stretched fuselage as well as a few other things like
I removed the nose tank and installed a tank in the center section of the wing.both
of which make the measurements from plans in-correct. what I did was
measure from my belly button for distance ( I believe that's a Tony Bingelus idea?)
and measure the fuel tank center in flight attitude and use that along with
all true measurements for wheels,wing position etc. and triple checked all
calculations. that is how I arrived at the battery location to bring it within
the limits. -the FAA examiner was satisfied with them and it did fly reasonable
well. but since the first test indicated that I need a fair amount of forward
stick pressure to maintain level flight. not extreme- but a little more than
I'd like, I'm trying to come up with the best and safest way to bring it in.
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| Subject: | Re: trimming adjustments |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
One thought is to get a couple of helpers to do the W&B for you, while
you sit in the airplane in the flying attitude. That way, if your
belly button is more distant from your own center of gravity or not
out quite enough (the W&B equivalent of an innie and and an outie),
you will get a better measure of the true center of gravity for the
airplane.
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:34 AM, skellytown flyer wrote:
>
> well yes as usual I probably didn't explain the W&B calc right. as many experimentals
go- this one has a stretched fuselage as well as a few other things like
I removed the nose tank and installed a tank in the center section of the
wing.both of which make the measurements from plans in-correct. what I did was
measure from my belly button for distance ( I believe that's a Tony Bingelus
idea?) and measure the fuel tank center in flight attitude and use that along
with all true measurements for wheels,wing position etc. and triple checked all
calculations. that is how I arrived at the battery location to bring it within
the limits. -the FAA examiner was satisfied with them and it did fly reasonable
well. but since the first test indicated that I need a fair amount of forward
stick pressure to maintain level flight. not extreme- but a little more than
I'd like, I'm trying to come up with the best and safest way to bring it in.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336173#336173
>
>
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of
rejoining the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back
on board. Chuck
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| From: | Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
Welcome aboard! Again!!
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 5, 2011, at 2:09 PM, "Charles Campbell" w
rote:
> I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of rejo
ining the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back on board
. Chuck
>
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
welcome back Chuck=2C I hope the problems are the kind that are easily sol
ved. Vic 414MV going to fabric. 3hrs on engine
From: cncampbell(at)windstream.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Problems
Date: Tue=2C 5 Apr 2011 14:09:19 -0400
I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of rejoi
ning the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back on board
. Chuck
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | yes Chuck Campbell, you are back on the Pietenpol list |
Your message below came thru below just fine. Welcome back.
Mike C.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 2:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Problems
I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of rejoi
ning the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back on board
. Chuck
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
Chuck,
Read you 5 X 5...
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Campbell
Sent: Apr 5, 2011 1:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Problems
I have had problems the last few days so went
through the exercise of rejoining the list. Someone please answer this so
I will know I'm back on board. Chuck
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| From: | Pietn38b(at)aol.com |
Your back:):):)
In a message dated 4/5/2011 1:12:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
cncampbell(at)windstream.net writes:
I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of
rejoining the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back on
board. Chuck
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
Chuck:
Reading you 10 by 10 here in McPherson, KS.
Stinemetze
>>> "Charles Campbell" 4/5/2011 1:09 PM >>>
I have had problems the last few days so went through the exercise of
rejoining the list. Someone please answer this so I will know I'm back on
board. Chuck
============
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| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
Chuck,
Welcome back, we missed you!
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | "Historical reference only" |
All the damage in Florida and not one "snapped crank". Go Figure!
Barry Davis
N973BP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 10:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Historical reference only"
Hey Guys
Did you know that since our Piet plans have not been "modernized" for safety
and certification standards our Pietenpols are hereby grounded and for
"historical reference only"?
>From the latest March 31 EAA Hotline article:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
CORBEN SUPER ACE PLANS AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE
Ace Aircraft Inc. announced it is now selling reproductions of the original
Corben Super Ace plans from 1935. As these 1935 plans have not been
modernized for current aviation safety and certification standards, these
plans are intended for "historical reference purposes only."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I am very sorry to inform you that since our Piet plans are dated 1934 and
are not modernized they must be surrendered immediately to your nearest FAA
district office. However if your Piet has been "modernized" with a
"relatively modern" Corvair engine (compared to an ancient 1939 vintage A65)
you may disregard this notice.
Have a nice day.
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: trimming adjustments |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Raymond
Congratulations on getting your plane finished. Send us a picture so we can see
how it turned out.
You are correct that an aft CG will cause you to use more forward stick but so
will a tail plane out of trim. Did you actually weigh the finished plane on scales
and then use that information to find the center of gravity? This is the
only true way to find the planes CG. If not then don't fly the plane until
you do. Others on this list can walk you through the process better than I could.
If your CG measurements are correct where is you CG in regards to the published
limits? Is it near (or past) the aft CG limit?
If your CG is near the center of the CG envelope then I wouldn't adjust it. It
would then appear to be aerodynamic problems that might be solved by adjusting
the horizontal stabilizer.
Secondly, wait until the wind dies down. You can't do any stability testing if
your being blown around. I know it's hard but play it safe.
Chris
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
Gentlemen: (with appologies to you two NASA guys)
There is a right way and a wrong way to do preparation for flight testing.
Luckily NASA has produced a video showing the proper way to get it done.
The bad news is, it takes a lot of manpower. The good news is, most of
that manpower is used just standing around and watching. I can do that!
Enjoy,
Stinemetze
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=KZrFC988Thc
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Testing |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Kip
I totally agree. I am a Nasa nut. I was in my little Luscombe 8A at about 10,500
when Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins left the Cape in Apollo 11 the morning
of July 16, 1969. It is a real memory.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | ACS starter solenoid question |
If anybody out there has a starter solenoid form Aircraft Spruce, can you
answer this question?
The solenoid has two small terminals on the front, in addition to the large
bat terminal and starter teminal on the sides.
One of the small front terminals goes through the starter switch to power
and the other small terminal is ground.
I can't figure out which is which. Most diagrams I see show only one
terminal, the few that show two have the right one to the starter button and
the left being ground, but I thought I'd see if anybody has one in use and
could just tell me.
Thanks
Douwe
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| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: ACS starter solenoid question |
Just a guess but you could probably see if either of them is connected
to the case with an ohm meter. If neither of them is connected to the
case it probably doesn't matter. You are just energizing an electro magnet.
Dave
On 4/5/2011 8:07 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
>
> If anybody out there has a starter solenoid form Aircraft Spruce, can
> you answer this question?
>
> The solenoid has two small terminals on the front, in addition to the
> large bat terminal and starter teminal on the sides.
>
> One of the small front terminals goes through the starter switch to
> power and the other small terminal is ground.
>
> I can't figure out which is which. Most diagrams I see show only one
> terminal, the few that show two have the right one to the starter
> button and the left being ground, but I thought I'd see if anybody has
> one in use and could just tell me.
>
> Thanks
>
> Douwe
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ACS starter solenoid question |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Douwe,
Look close and see "S" and the other "I". The "S" terminal is the start and the
"I" goes "HOT" only while cranking.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Project for sale |
Members of the list:
-
I have a gentleman-at our airport-who approached me asking if I could l
ist his pietenpol project for sale. It appears the airport commission has t
old him if the plane is not flyable he must give up his hanger spot. Never
knew he was building a pietenpol!
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The plane is a long fuse type, very good workmanship. You can contact me fo
r more information and I can read you a list of everything that comes with
the project. He has set his asking price-at $2,500.00 including engine.
-
KMHeide
-
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| From: | "Michael McGowan" <shadetree(at)socket.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
I'd like to know more. Where is the project located?
Mike McGowan
573-228-5400
shadetree(at)socket.net
----- Original Message -----
From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale
Members of the list:
I have a gentleman at our airport who approached me asking if I
could list his pietenpol project for sale. It appears the airport
commission has told him if the plane is not flyable he must give up his
hanger spot. Never knew he was building a pietenpol!
The plane is a long fuse type, very good workmanship. You can
contact me for more information and I can read you a list of everything
that comes with the project. He has set his asking price at $2,500.00
including engine.
KMHeide
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
Project is near Fargo, ND.
Made from sitka spruce and T-88.
Includes a complete Corvair engine.
tail lumber and ribs included.
all okoume plywood
all control metal from Aircraft Spruce and Specialities
-
KMHeide
-
--- On Tue, 4/5/11, Michael McGowan wrote:
From: Michael McGowan <shadetree(at)socket.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 8:53 PM
I'd like to know more. Where is the project located?
-
Mike McGowan
573-228-5400
shadetree(at)socket.net
----- Original Message -----
From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale
Members of the list:
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I have a gentleman-at our airport-who approached me asking if I could l
ist his pietenpol project for sale. It appears the airport commission has t
old him if the plane is not flyable he must give up his hanger spot. Never
knew he was building a pietenpol!
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The plane is a long fuse type, very good workmanship. You can contact me fo
r more information and I can read you a list of everything that comes with
the project. He has set his asking price-at $2,500.00 including engine.
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KMHeide
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href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro
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| Subject: | View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... |
| From: | "erkki67" <erkki2(at)free.fr> |
Hello
First I would like to know, which fuselage I should go with, knowing that I'm 6'6"
tall and weigh 230lbs?
Second, I would like to build a 2-seater Parasol at the best a Pietenpol look a
like.
And third, I would feel very comfortable with Aluminium tubing riveted by Gussets
together.
And forth, it has to be light as possible, targeted emptyweight should be around
480 to 500lbs!
Does the market offer such an craft with the nostalgic look of the Pietenpol?
Best rgds from France
Erkki
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| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
| From: | "Chad Hill" <crhill74(at)yahoo.com> |
Very interested Give me a call at 605-484-2374 or send me your number. My inlaws
live in Frazee could have it gone quickly. Thanks Chad Hill
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| From: | Dewey Davenport <onedgerc(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
Would you happen to have any pictures or describe a little more about it. Ho
w much of the fuse is built? Are all the metal fitting made up? Is the wing g
oing to be a 3 piece or one piece?
Thanks
Dewey
Sent from my iPod
On Apr 6, 2011, at 5:41, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote:
> Project is near Fargo, ND.
> Made from sitka spruce and T-88.
> Includes a complete Corvair engine.
> tail lumber and ribs included.
> all okoume plywood
> all control metal from Aircraft Spruce and Specialities
>
> KMHeide
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> --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Michael McGowan wrote:
>
> From: Michael McGowan <shadetree(at)socket.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 8:53 PM
>
> I'd like to know more. Where is the project located?
>
> Mike McGowan
> 573-228-5400
> shadetree(at)socket.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
> To: Pietenpol
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:26 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Project for sale
>
>
> Members of the list:
>
> I have a gentleman at our airport who approached me asking if I could list
his pietenpol project for sale. It appears the airport commission has told h
im if the plane is not flyable he must give up his hanger spot. Never knew h
e was building a pietenpol!
>
> The plane is a long fuse type, very good workmanship. You can contact me f
or more information and I can read you a list of everything that comes with t
he project. He has set his asking price at $2,500.00 including engine.
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> KMHeide
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | "Historical reference only" |
The tie downs I used=C2-=C2- were 6 inch plates with 3 12 in nails driv
en down in each one. They did not work. The two other Piets had something s
imilar.=C2- I was told down there that 2 by 4's lashed along the leading
edge of the wings would keep the lift down in a strong wind but we were hit
by a twister of about 95 mph. Gardiner. It was a real Pietenpile of shat.
--- On Tue, 4/5/11, Jack Phillips wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Historical reference only"
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 8:29 PM
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ASo far Ra
ndy Bush has been the only one=0Awho has managed to snap his crank while on
the ground. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AA snapped crank or two would have been far
=0Apreferable (assuming the ensuing forced landings were uneventful) to the
=0Acarnage at SNF.=C2- =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AThere have been some discussi
ons on the=0Alist about tie-downs.=C2- Barry, do you know what types of t
ie-downs the=0APiets there were using?=C2- I expect it doesn=99t ma
tter what tie-down=0Ayou have if a tornado hits your airplane. =0A=0A =C2
- =0A=0ADo Not=0AArchive =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AJack Phillips =0A=0ANX899JP
=C2- =9CIcarus Plummet=9D =0A=0ARaleigh,=0A NC =0A=0A =C2-
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0Aowner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics
.com=0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barr
y Davis
=0ASent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 3:53=0APM
=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List:=0A"Historical reference only" =0A=0A=0A=0A
=C2- =0A=0AAll the damage in=0A Florida and not one "snapped=0Acrank". Go
Figure! =0A=0ABarry Davis =0A=0AN973BP =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0AFrom:=0Aowner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-pieten
pol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
=0ASent: Monday, April 04, 2011 10:34=0APM
=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List:=0A"Historical reference only" =0A=0AHey Guys
=0A
=0ADid you know that since our Piet plans have not been "modernized" for=0A
safety and certification standards our Pietenpols are hereby grounded and f
or=0A"historical reference only"?
=0A
=0A>From the latest March 31 EAA Hotline article:
=0A
=0A>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
=0ACORBEN SUPER ACE PLANS AVAILABLE FOR=0APURCHASE
=0AAce Aircraft Inc. announced it is now selling reproductions of the origi
nal=0ACorben Super Ace plans from 1935. As these 1935 plans have not been m
odernized=0Afor current aviation safety and certification standards, these
plans are=0Aintended for "historical reference purposes only."
=0A>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
=0A
=0AI am very sorry to inform you that since our Piet plans are dated 1934 a
nd are=0Anot modernized they must be surrendered immediately to your neares
t FAA=0Adistrict office. However if your Piet has been "modernized" with a
=0A"relatively modern" Corvair engine (compared to an ancient 1939=0Avintag
e A65) you may disregard this notice.
=0A
=0AHave a nice day.
=0A
=0A--
=0ARick Holland
=0ACastle Rock, Colorado
=0A
=0A"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" =0A=0A =C2- =C2
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tenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: "Historical reference only" |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Gardiner - unless you tied those airplanes down inside a hurricane-rated hangar
there wasn't shat you were going to do about keeping them secured. Glad you're
safe and I'm sorry for your drama. Shelley and I are thinking about you.
Kevin
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... |
| From: | "erkki67" <erkki2(at)free.fr> |
Nope for all 4 questions?
Bst rgds Erkki
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| Subject: | Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Well, to recap, you only asked two questions:
"First I would like to know, which fuselage I should go with, knowing that
I'm 6'6" tall and weigh 230lbs? (question 1)
Second, I would like to build a 2-seater Parasol at the best a Pietenpol
look a like.
And third, I would feel very comfortable with Aluminium tubing riveted by
Gussets together.
And forth, it has to be light as possible, targeted emptyweight should be
around 480 to 500lbs!
Does the market offer such an craft with the nostalgic look of the
Pietenpol?" (question 2)
The answer to the first question is negated by the fact that you want to
build a Pietenpol look-a-like, so short vs long is irrelevant....as you just
said you don't want to build an actual Pietenpol (although at 6'6" you'd
probably want the "Corvair" fuselage).
The answer to your second question, does the market offer a Pietenpol
look-alike built of aluminum tubing riveted together with an empty weight of
480 to 500 lbs.....no.
If you are dead set on having an aluminum tubing, pop-riveted construction
parasol you might check with Robert Baslee of Airdrome Airplanes. They
primarily do WWI/pre-war replicas built with that construction method,
although I don't know offhand if they have any two-seaters. They had a
website, although it looks like they may not have paid the bill this month,
as it redirects to their providers page...
Ryan
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:18 AM, erkki67 wrote:
>
> Nope for all 4 questions?
>
> Bst rgds Erkki
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336280#336280
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tie Downs at Sun n Fun |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Agreed Mike... and thanks Barry!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Tie Down Test Video |
I found the You Tube Video testing various tiedowns. See It Here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Loq1olceSIE
Barry Davis
NX973BP
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| Subject: | Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Erkki,
My "nope" answer was in response to your last question:
Does the market offer such an craft with the nostalgic look of the Pietenpol?"
I'm not aware of any Pietenpol lookalikes, especially one made from aluminum tubing.
There is a single-place parasol design that is built from extruded aluminum angle,
called the Texas Parasol. It bears some resemblance to the Pietenpol. Attached
is a spec sheet. It looks as though it would give you everything you're looking
for, EXCEPT the 2-seater requirement.
2 seats, under 500 pounds empty weight, AND looking like a real airplane is a tall
order to fill.
The plans and builder's manual for the Texas Parasol are available for free here:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/cavelamb@earthlink.net.02.11.2006/index.html
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
That link doesn't seem to be right. Try this:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/cavelamb@earthlink.net.02.11.2006/
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| From: | "Dale Johnson" <ddjohn(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: "Historical reference only" |
----- Original Message -----
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Historical reference only"
>
>
> Gardiner - unless you tied those airplanes down inside a hurricane-rated
> hangar there wasn't shat you were going to do about keeping them secured.
> Glad you're safe and I'm sorry for your drama. Shelley and I are thinking
> about you.
>
> Kevin
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336272#336272
>
>
>
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
OK.Show of hands..Who's been to Gilmer, Tx..Yes, I know Kevin, you have been
there (you can put your hand down)..but, who else? So what are the odds that
you put out a Marklegram that you're going to be in Gilmer, Tx, and you want
to know if there are any Piet builders near... and one pops up!
Robert Caldwell is a Texas Gentleman who keeps his Stinson, and part of his
Piet in Gilmer. The rest is back at home base in Holly Lake, Tx, about 20
miles away. When you go to see anyone in Texas, the first order of business
is to go git some Texas BBQ. Since it was a bit windy, Robert and I went to
git the obligatory BBQ, chat a bit, then return to the airport to check the
winds. They had died down significantly, so we jumped into his sturdy
Stinson and flew to Holly Lake. There a friend, with a newly updated
Tri-pacer, loaned his jeep and we drove to Robert's house and workshop to
see the rest of the project. Robert is an excellent craftsman, with some
very cool ideas about the pilot seat.that's all I'm going to say for now.
You'll have to wait until he finishes and he and Axel barnstorm to Brodhead.
Don't fail to check out Picture #4..It's a Corvair that hasn't even broken
its cra-..Wait a minute..I made a deal with Jack, and Rule #1: The Deal's
The Deal.
Signing off from beautiful Gilmer, Texas,
Gary from Cool, Ca
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| Subject: | Re: Tie Downs at Sun n Fun |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Barry..... very nice and detailed report. sad to see stuff like this happen
but good to see eaa trying to learn from it.
I stood on the grounds of OSH one time (many years ago) and watched a waterspout
skip across lake winnebago - all the time wondering what damage that would do
one mile or so closer...... scary stuff but part of life's reality I guess........
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Project for sale |
Chad,
-
PLease call me and I can give directions and tell you more about this plane
.
-
Ken Heide
701-793-3030
-
--- On Wed, 4/6/11, Chad Hill wrote:
From: Chad Hill <crhill74(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 4:24 AM
Very interested Give me a call at 605-484-2374 or send me your number. My i
nlaws live in Frazee could have it gone quickly. Thanks Chad Hill
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| Subject: | Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... |
| From: | "erkki67" <erkki2(at)free.fr> |
Does anyone have the knowledge to draw up a XXL Fuselage of the Pietenpol, so a
6'6" would fit?
Bst rgds Erkki
[Idea] [Question]
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | large fuselage for Erkki |
Hello Erkki,
Welcome to the Pietenpol group!
If you're not familiar with their story, a group in Florida pooled their
resources and time and built six Pietenpols labled "big Piets" because while
basically Pietenpols, they were modified in fairly significant ways to add
some extra room for larger people. They used welded steel fuselages.
Not sure who did the engineering, but Barry Davis who watches this list
could fill you in with more detail.
There are also some articles about then in the Brodhead Pietenpol Newsletter
which you should get.
I'd also suggest you contact the British Piet group. Great group of guys
and very helpful.
Except for not having a pop riveted fuselage, there aren't many planes
simpler to build (scratch built that is, not a kit) than a Pietenpol. After
all, that is what it was designed for, an average guy using average tools
and average materials. I'm not familiar with a two seat pop riveted plane
that fits your description. I did see some plans for a "sopwith tabloid"
(forgot the company's name but you can link to their site through the
www.dawnpatrol <http://www.dawnpatrol/> site) which is going to seat two
people side by side, but it's a biplane.
I'd suggest you get some plans and study them. Mr. Pietenpol designed a
steel tube fuselage which works fine and saves about 20 lbs over the wood,
and learning to weld isn't that big a deal, or you can always lean to tack
weld and then have a pro do the final welding.
Get the three Tony Bingiles books on homebuilding too and you can't go
wrong!
Good luck, and feel free to ask your questions.
Douwe
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Well, I haven't actually been to Gilmer but I've been close. In a state
this big, that's about as good as it gets sometimes ;o) closest I've
been to Gilmer was when we drove through Carthage on the way to Corky's
in Shreveport. I'll bet Corky knows this gent who is building the Piet
in Gilmer.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: large fuselage for Erkki |
| From: | "erkki67" <erkki2(at)free.fr> |
Hello Douwe
Thank you very much for your input.
I wasn't aware about those builders in Florida, and for sure I would like to know
more about their fuselages.
I've found a aircraft which have my demanded riveted fuselage, but it's a biplane
(german Kiebitz ) as well, but I would prefer to have a parasol like the Pietenpol.
As the weight is an issue, at least here at France, and I would like to register
it here in our 2 seater ultralight class MTOW 1041.6lbs incl parachute and PAX.
This is the reason why I would prefer to have a Piet or look a like that's as light
as possible.
And to get there, I belive that the riveted Aluminium tube system is the way to
go.
And by the way, to rivet the airframe together is within reach of almost every
builder.
I've been following the Airdrome Aeroplanes for some while and even wrote to Mr.
Baslee, but the price he asked for a Parasol was out of my reach, for that price
I could buy a LSA, but as I'm not Bill Gates, I'll have to find an homebuilding
solution.
Bst rgds
Erkki
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| From: | Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr(at)gmail.com> |
Well just got back from Florida. Wanted to thank "Skip" and the other
gentleman I met (Sorry we forgot your name) at the Sun n Fun Wood Working
shop for spending some time going over the Piet they where working on with
me. Not to mention the millions of questions I had on the design. "Skip"
is a very very patient man.....Sadly due to the weather issues I did not get
the "Waldo" in a Piet picture we where all looking for......maybe next
time...My sympathy goes out to all the pilots who lost aircraft down there,
it was truly a sad sight for my son and I to behold.......
Chuck Waldo
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| Subject: | Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Hi Erkki,
Welcome to the list. As to someone designing an XXL fuselage for a Piet, I am
sure that it could be done but as to having the finished airplane weigh in at
480-500 lbs empty would be nearly impossible in my opinion. Even the lightest
Pietenpols on the list here, built according to the plans, weigh in at 585 lbs
or so, and up to as much as 730 lbs empty. The engines commonly used on Pietenpols
here commonly weigh 200-250 lbs. Lighter engine packages can cause significant
problems with weight and balance issues. If the engine you choose weighs
200 lbs, that leaves you only 280-300 lbs for the rest of the airframe,
instruments, covering, control systems, etc. I have read that the finished and
covered wing weighs over 100lbs alone. It doesn't seem that the Pietenpol
will fit into your weight requirements to be registered as an ultralight in your
country. I wish you luck in finding a 2 place airplane that will meet your
requirements for both pilot size and aircraft empty weight.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Erkki,
Like Billy said, enlarging the Pietenpol slightly would not be the biggest challenge
- but keeping the weight under 500 pounds will. Increasing the design by
say 5% overall would probably result in sufficient extra room to accommodate
a larger pilot, but the extra size will also result in the need for a more powerful
motor (= even more weight).
What you need to do is move to Canada. :)
Here in Canada, we may register a plans-built Pietenpol as a Basic Ultralight,
provided the take-off weight is 1200 pounds (544kg) or less. The "catch" is that
the only way two people can ever fly in a Basic Ultralight is if both occupants
hold a U/L pilot's license (or if the pilot has an U/L instructor's rating
and the aircraft is being used for training).
Unfortunately, I don't think there's any easy answer to your request. Maybe if
you fill the wings with helium...
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I think I heard of someone in the past even filling ping pong balls with he
lium. Their size and shape make it easy to fit inside all hollow places ins
ide the fuse and wings.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Sent: Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:50 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so o
n....
>
Erkki,
ike Billy said, enlarging the Pietenpol slightly would not be the biggest
hallenge - but keeping the weight under 500 pounds will. Increasing the des
ign
y say 5% overall would probably result in sufficient extra room to accommod
ate
larger pilot, but the extra size will also result in the need for a more
owerful motor (= even more weight).
hat you need to do is move to Canada. :)
ere in Canada, we may register a plans-built Pietenpol as a Basic Ultraligh
t,
rovided the take-off weight is 1200 pounds (544kg) or less. The "catch" is
that
he only way two people can ever fly in a Basic Ultralight is if both occupa
nts
old a U/L pilot's license (or if the pilot has an U/L instructor's rating a
nd
he aircraft is being used for training).
nfortunately, I don't think there's any easy answer to your request. Maybe
if
ou fill the wings with helium...
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| Subject: | Angle of Incident |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Has there any 612 wings been flying yet ? I will be raising my rear Cabanes an
inch or so to get the angle if incident to one degree as suggested by Riblitt,
the Cabanes are now the length as on the drawings. This is far too much angle,
and requires a hefty forward stick pressure,
Pieti Lowell
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... |
How many ping pong balls stuffed in the nose and leading edge of the wings
will it take to float a Piet if we decide to go to the Bahamas. That would
be a very interesting trip; I have been there in my boat. I am still optomi
stic. Gardiner.
--- On Thu, 4/7/11, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and
so on....
Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 1:27 PM
=0AI think I heard of someone in the past even filling ping pong balls with
helium. Their size and shape make it easy to fit inside all hollow places
inside the fuse and wings.=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0A=0A=0APuryear,
TN
=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A
=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----
=0AFrom: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
=0ATo: pietenpol-list
=0ASent: Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:50 am
=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and s
o on....
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patico.ca>
Erkki,
Like Billy said, enlarging the Pietenpol slightly would not be the biggest
challenge - but keeping the weight under 500 pounds will. Increasing the de
sign
by say 5% overall would probably result in sufficient extra room to accommo
date
a larger pilot, but the extra size will also result in the need for a more
powerful motor (= even more weight).
What you need to do is move to Canada. :)
Here in Canada, we may register a plans-built Pietenpol as a Basic Ultralig
ht,
provided the take-off weight is 1200 pounds (544kg) or less. The "catch" is
that
the only way two people can ever fly in a Basic Ultralight is if both occup
ants
hold a U/L pilot's license (or if the pilot has an U/L instructor's rating
and
the aircraft is being used for training).
Unfortunately, I don't think there's any easy answer to your request. Maybe
if
you fill the wings with helium...
Bill C.
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and |
so on....
Gardiner, let's make the trip together, that has been a goal of mine since
starting the Piet.
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: View Questions, Fuselage
Construction and so on....
How many ping pong balls stuffed in the nose and leading edge of the wings
will it take to float a Piet if we decide to go to the Bahamas. That would
be a very interesting trip; I have been there in my boat. I am still
optomistic. Gardiner.
--- On Thu, 4/7/11, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and
so on....
Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 1:27 PM
I think I heard of someone in the past even filling ping pong balls with
helium. Their size and shape make it easy to fit inside all hollow places
inside the fuse and wings.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Sent: Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:50 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so
on....
Erkki,
Like Billy said, enlarging the Pietenpol slightly would not be the biggest
challenge - but keeping the weight under 500 pounds will. Increasing the
design
by say 5% overall would probably result in sufficient extra room to
accommodate
a larger pilot, but the extra size will also result in the need for a more
powerful motor (= even more weight).
What you need to do is move to Canada. :)
Here in Canada, we may register a plans-built Pietenpol as a Basic
Ultralight,
provided the take-off weight is 1200 pounds (544kg) or less. The "catch"
is that
the only way two people can ever fly in a Basic Ultralight is if both
occupants
hold a U/L pilot's license (or if the pilot has an U/L instructor's rating
and
the aircraft is being used for training).
Unfortunately, I don't think there's any easy answer to your request.
Maybe if
you fill the wings with helium...
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... |
| From: | mike Hardaway <bkemike(at)gmail.com> |
A ping-pong ball is 40mm or 1.57 in. in diameter, giving a volume of 2.04
cu. in. This will displace about 0.07385 lb of water. That volume of air
weighs about 0.0000907 lb. That volume of helium weighs about .0000125 lb.
Each air-filled ping-pong ball would supply 0.0758 lb of buoyancy in sea
water while each helium-filled ball would buoy 0.0759 lb.
If we assume that a Piet in sea water is 600 lb of dead weight (no buoyancy
contribution from wood or fuel...or pilot), it would take 7918 air-filled
ping-pong balls or 7909 helium-filled ping pong balls to provide neutral
buoyancy.
If a pilot wants to have some of his or her body out of the water while
waiting for rescue, he or she should add a couple of thousand balls.
Mike Hardaway
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:35 PM, airlion wrote:
> How many ping pong balls stuffed in the nose and leading edge of the wings
> will it take to float a Piet if we decide to go to the Bahamas. That would
> be a very interesting trip; I have been there in my boat. I am still
> optomistic. Gardiner.
>
> --- On *Thu, 4/7/11, helspersew(at)aol.com * wrote:
>
>
> From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com>
>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and
> so on....
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 1:27 PM
>
> I think I heard of someone in the past even filling ping pong balls with
> helium. Their size and shape make it easy to fit inside all hollow places
> inside the fuse and wings.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Thu, Apr 7, 2011 10:50 am
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so
> on....
>
>
> Erkki,
> Like Billy said, enlarging the Pietenpol slightly would not be the biggest
> challenge - but keeping the weight under 500 pounds will. Increasing the design
> by say 5% overall would probably result in sufficient extra room to accommodate
> a larger pilot, but the extra size will also result in the need for a more
> powerful motor (= even more weight).
> What you need to do is move to Canada. :)
> Here in Canada, we may register a plans-built Pietenpol as a Basic Ultralight,
>
> provided the take-off weight is 1200 pounds (544kg) or less. The "catch" is that
> the only way two people can ever fly in a Basic Ultralight is if both occupants
> hold a U/L pilot's license (or if the pilot has an U/L instructor's rating and
> the aircraft is being used for training).
> Unfortunately, I don't think there's any easy answer to your request. Maybe if
> you fill the wings with helium...
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336358#336358
>
>
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| From: | "Robert" <caldwrl(at)etex.net> |
I suppose I must give this a try (first time contributor)... especially
following so nice a narrative by Mr. Boothe and being so kind to mention
me and my Piet project. I have monitored this thread for some time now
and have gleaned many great ideas and facts from it as my building
progress moves along. I can truthfully say that only my trips to
Brodhead the last two years have proven more valuable. (of course a
close third is the visit by Kevin Purtee to Gilmer on a cold
winter=99s day in his outstanding Piet). I take pride in being
counted among all you builders and flyers of Bernard=99s creation.
I can only dream and hope that I will wing my way to Brodhead in a
year, or few, in my own Piet.
So, thanks to you all, and now that you all know about Gilmer, TX...
don=99t be strangers. I am currently working to put my fuselage
on wheels. Welding the tubular struts for the Cub style LG. I just
completed the fabrication of a 15 gal. fuel tank that will fit in a
36=9D wide center section. I am awaiting my welder to complete
the tank (I refuse to attempt to weld aluminum... I do well with 4130
with a gas set-up, but will let the TIG guys do the Al.)
I hope to use Covair power, having acquired a partially converted
=98Vair that attended a Corvair College in 2001 but never made it
all the way to running on the stand.
Oh yeah, the seat thing... well, its just my attempt to be comfortable
if and when I make that long cross country. I took my lead from the
Bingelis books and applied a little creative woodwork (isn=99t
that what we all do?). Of course I won=99t really be as
comfortable as I want until I fly it... sitting in it and making
airplane noises is probably not a good indicator.
A big thank you to Gary B. for stopping by, and even though California
is a long way from Gilmer, you never know when two Piet
builder=99s paths will cross.
Robert Caldwell
=9CBrodhead in 2012=9D
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... |
Oh, crap! Here we go again! Corky where are you!!??
Hahahahahahaha!
Clif
If we assume that a Piet in sea water is 600 lb of dead weight (no
buoyancy contribution from wood or fuel...or pilot), it would take 7918
air-filled ping-pong balls or 7909 helium-filled ping pong balls to
provide neutral buoyancy.
Mike Hardaway
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
Charles,
You are welcome, I enjoyed talking Piets with you and your son. Thanks again for
the computer generated Piet you gave me, it will be on my shop wall as soon
as I can make a frame for it.
I dont remember who was in the shop when you were there, is he in the attached
pic by Jim Scroggins? From L to R, myself, Art, Dick, Dave, and Randy.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Waldo
Sent: 4/7/2011 9:37:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun N Fun Visit
Well just got back from Florida. Wanted to thank "Skip" and the other gentleman
I met (Sorry we forgot your name) at the Sun n Fun Wood Working shop for spending
some time going over the Piet they where working on with me. Not to mention
the millions of questions I had on the design. "Skip" is a very very patient
man.....Sadly due to the weather issues I did not get the "Waldo" in a Piet
picture we where all looking for......maybe next time...My sympathy goes out
to all the pilots who lost aircraft down there, it was truly a sad sight for my
son and I to behold.......
Chuck Waldo
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| Subject: | Re: View Questions, Fuselage Construction and so on.... |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
And have wire brush bristles rather than hair.
Please don't archive
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: large fuselage for Erkki |
| From: | Earnest Bunbury <ebunburyesq(at)gmail.com> |
Uh, the Big Piet boys are in Georgia, just west of Atlanta...
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Douwe Blumberg
wrote:
> Hello Erkki,
>
>
> Welcome to the Pietenpol group!
>
>
> If you=92re not familiar with their story, a group in Florida pooled thei
r
> resources and time and built six Pietenpols labled =93big Piets=94 becaus
e while
> basically Pietenpols, they were modified in fairly significant ways to ad
d
> some extra room for larger people. They used welded steel fuselages.
>
>
> Not sure who did the engineering, but Barry Davis who watches this list
> could fill you in with more detail.
>
>
> There are also some articles about then in the Brodhead Pietenpol
> Newsletter which you should get.
>
>
> I=92d also suggest you contact the British Piet group. Great group of gu
ys
> and very helpful.
>
>
> Except for not having a pop riveted fuselage, there aren=92t many planes
> simpler to build (scratch built that is, not a kit) than a Pietenpol. Af
ter
> all, that is what it was designed for, an average guy using average tools
> and average materials. I=92m not familiar with a two seat pop riveted pl
ane
> that fits your description. I did see some plans for a =93sopwith tabloi
d=94
> (forgot the company=92s name but you can link to their site through the
> www.dawnpatrol site) which is going to seat two people side by side, but
> it=92s a biplane.
>
>
> I=92d suggest you get some plans and study them. Mr. Pietenpol designed
a
> steel tube fuselage which works fine and saves about 20 lbs over the wood
,
> and learning to weld isn=92t that big a deal, or you can always lean to t
ack
> weld and then have a pro do the final welding.
>
>
> Get the three Tony Bingiles books on homebuilding too and you can=92t go
> wrong!
>
>
> Good luck, and feel free to ask your questions.
>
>
> Douwe
>
> *
>
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
For those flying I would like to enlist your help. I'm doing some
guestimating regarding control setup, weight and balance, etc. Could you
share your wing position, IE 3" aft vertical and also your fuselage size and
engine type? I'm also utilizing the recent articles in the Association
newsletter.
Thank you very much!
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Position |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Hi Jack,
I built the long fuselage. Axle is 1" forward, cabanes are 2" longer, and wing
is positioned back 3 1/2", as per the Pietenpols' recommendations. I put the
tank in the nose, 14.5 gallons. If you keep the tail very light and use a small
tailwheel you shouldn't have any trouble with c.g.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Position |
Hi Jack,
Mine is the long fuselage. Cabanes are 2-1/2" longer and the wing is 3-3/4"
aft of vertical. Centersection tank, small (4") tailwheel). A65
Continental.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 8:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Position
Hi Jack,
I built the long fuselage. Axle is 1" forward, cabanes are 2" longer, and
wing is positioned back 3 1/2", as per the Pietenpols' recommendations. I
put the tank in the nose, 14.5 gallons. If you keep the tail very light and
use a small tailwheel you shouldn't have any trouble with c.g.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Position |
Long fuselage, Continental A-65 with the mount extended 1.5 inches
forward, wings tilted aft 3.5-4 inches. I have a heavy Maule tailwheel
and weigh around 170, but with empty fuel (in the nose) I'm within the
envelope.
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Fl
On 4/9/2011 7:50 AM, Jack wrote:
>
> For those flying I would like to enlist your help. I'm doing some
> guestimating regarding control setup, weight and balance, etc. Could
> you share your wing position, IE 3"aftverticaland also your fuselage
> size and enginetype? I'm also utilizing the recent articles in the
> Association newsletter.
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Very helpful guys, I will note in a spreadsheet and share. Anyone else that
can contribute please do. Don is your engine an A65?
Thanks again!
Jack
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 6:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Position
For those flying I would like to enlist your help. I'm doing some
guestimating regarding control setup, weight and balance, etc. Could you
share your wing position, IE 3" aft vertical and also your fuselage size and
engine type? I'm also utilizing the recent articles in the Association
newsletter.
Thank you very much!
Jack
DSM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Position |
Hi Jack, Mine was the long fuse, corvair moved forward 1 in., wings tilted back
3.5 in. Taller cabanes, 36 in center section with 20 gal aluminum tank, 26 in
wide fuse, and Scott 2000 tailwheel, 600-6 wheels,and CGcame in within limits
for my 200 lb body. Of course all that is history now due to that tornado.
Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 8:22:34 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Position
Hi Jack,
Mine is the long fuselage. Cabanes are 2-1/2" longer and the wing is 3-3/4"
aft of vertical. Centersection tank, small (4") tailwheel). A65
Continental.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 8:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Position
Hi Jack,
I built the long fuselage. Axle is 1" forward, cabanes are 2" longer, and
wing is positioned back 3 1/2", as per the Pietenpols' recommendations. I
put the tank in the nose, 14.5 gallons. If you keep the tail very light and
use a small tailwheel you shouldn't have any trouble with c.g.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Position |
Wing PositionHi Jack,
NX18235 is a long fuselage with an A-65. Cabanes are 2" longer than
plans and the wing is 3 1/2" aft. Motor mount built to plans. 14 gallons
of fuel in the center section. Axle is 20" aft of the firewall. Tailskid
and no brakes.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 6:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Position
For those flying I would like to enlist your help. I'm doing some
guestimating regarding control setup, weight and balance, etc. Could
you share your wing position, IE 3" aft vertical and also your fuselage
size and engine type? I'm also utilizing the recent articles in the
Association newsletter.
Thank you very much!
Jack
DSM
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Wing Position |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Greg,
How did you tie in your 36" center section to the fuselage...? I am considering
a wider center section as well to hold more fuel for my thirsty ROTEC engine.......
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Position |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Ooops.... correction, Gardiner not Greg.
P.s. REALLY sad to see the Sun 'n fun situation......
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Position |
| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
I know a wooden propeller looks great on the Piet, but I'm curious a metal
prop's efficiency is enough to counter act the extra weight of the prop.
The only reason I ask, is because the extra 12 or so pounds at the forward
most part of the airplane might help keep the c.g. within limits without
moving the wing. Cost might be the biggest disadvantage at three times
that of a wooden one though. Has anyone calculated how much ballast would
be required to keep the cabanes vertical using the a continental or corvair?
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Position |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Curt, from what I know of the Corvair, I don't think that metal props are recommended
due to the increased loads imposed on the crankshaft. If you are even
considering a metal prop on a Corvair, I think that the 5th bearing is a MANDATORY
addition to the engine. As we all know, the Corvair cranks are susceptible
to breaking, and all of the incidents that I know about have happened when
using wood props which weigh much less than metal props. If you are intent on
keeping the cabanes vertical, then consider moving the firewall forward an inch
or two, building the engine mount a little bit longer, and definitely keep
the tail end as light as possible as you build.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336462#336462
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Position |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Agreed, metal props on a Corvair are verboten. Additionally, the weight
difference between a wood/composite prop and a metal prop is going to make a
minute difference as far as CG is concerned. As the articles in the BPA
newsletter have shown, moving the wing aft will get you the most bang for
the buck when correcting an aft CG situation. If you are close to acceptable
then adding an inch at the firewall or extending the motor mount can help,
but if you are a ways out then you are better off shifting the wing aft,
lest you end up with an ant-eater Piet....
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Billy McCaskill wrote:
>
> Curt, from what I know of the Corvair, I don't think that metal props are
> recommended due to the increased loads imposed on the crankshaft. If you
> are even considering a metal prop on a Corvair, I think that the 5th bearing
> is a MANDATORY addition to the engine. As we all know, the Corvair cranks
> are susceptible to breaking, and all of the incidents that I know about have
> happened when using wood props which weigh much less than metal props. If
> you are intent on keeping the cabanes vertical, then consider moving the
> firewall forward an inch or two, building the engine mount a little bit
> longer, and definitely keep the tail end as light as possible as you build.
>
> --------
> Billy McCaskill
> Urbana, IL
> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336462#336462
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Position |
Jake, I would make the butt strap that joins the center section to the wing
panel the same except don't weld the other part of the assembly to it. Make
the vertical parts of the 'U' shaped piece square across the top and add
another AN4 bolt above the one that's already called for and assemble the
assembly directly above the top longeron of the fuselage. Clear as mud?
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 11:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Position
>
>
> Greg,
>
> How did you tie in your 36" center section to the fuselage...? I am
> considering a wider center section as well to hold more fuel for my
> thirsty ROTEC engine.......
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336457#336457
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Wing Position |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Jack,
NX929DH. Short fuse, Straight up and down cabanes, Model A, pilot weight 15
0. Ended up nose heavy. I twisted the outboard LE of the horizontal stab do
wn to compensate. It worked but it still bugs me. As much as I hate to add
weight, I think at some point in time I will add (experiment) some weight i
nside the fuse at the tail end to try to solve the problem. "They" say that
an airplane balanced close to the aft CG range is a better flyer. I believ
e "them".
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN (but tomorrow I am driving up to Poplar Grove so I can fly my S
edan back down here. :O) ............I hate being without an airplane.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:53 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Position
For those flying I would like to enlist your help. I=99m doing some
guestimating regarding control setup, weight and balance, etc. Could you s
hare your wing position, IE 3=9D aft vertical and also your fuselage
size and engine type? I=99m also utilizing the recent articles in th
e Association newsletter.
Thank you very much!
Jack
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Position |
The warp drive that I had on my corvair piet worked very well. WM Wynne say that
it is the most efficient. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 2:56:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Position
Jake, I would make the butt strap that joins the center section to the wing
panel the same except don't weld the other part of the assembly to it. Make
the vertical parts of the 'U' shaped piece square across the top and add
another AN4 bolt above the one that's already called for and assemble the
assembly directly above the top longeron of the fuselage. Clear as mud?
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 11:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Position
>
>
> Greg,
>
> How did you tie in your 36" center section to the fuselage...? I am
> considering a wider center section as well to hold more fuel for my
> thirsty ROTEC engine.......
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336457#336457
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Wing position |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Jack,
Just wanted to add that I placed my engine and mount to plans. Walt Bowe, f
rom California, (who built the same way) experienced the same nose-heavines
s.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Florida sales tax |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
I registered my airplane with the FAA and guess what.....Florida Department of
Revenue sends me forms to fill out as to what I paid for the airplane. Then multiply
that by 6% and send it in. Life is never dull.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336486#336486
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Florida sales tax |
Actually the State of Florida is very easy going on plans built
airplanes. All you owe tax on is what you bought out of state, since
you paid tax on that when you bought it, and they pretty much take your
word on that. I kept my Aircraft Spruce and Wicks invoices separate,
and the tax wasn't all that much. I think the rules are the same in
pretty much every state. At least you aren't building an RV-12, then
you'd owe tax on $60000. Another advantage to registering early is you
aren't finished buying stuff out of state, so you only pay tax on what
you've bought out of state so far.
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Fl
Beautiful flight in the Piet this morning, and took up a friend who has
always been terrified of flying in airliners. She had a ball!
On 4/9/2011 8:33 PM, Jerry Dotson wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson"
>
> I registered my airplane with the FAA and guess what.....Florida Department of
Revenue sends me forms to fill out as to what I paid for the airplane. Then
multiply that by 6% and send it in. Life is never dull.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336486#336486
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Position |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Jack,
Yes I do have an A-65.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336490#336490
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
This is some great information for us builders. Remember to include one more
important point of information, where is your CG at max weight.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 4:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Position
For those flying I would like to enlist your help. I'm doing some
guestimating regarding control setup, weight and balance, etc. Could you
share your wing position, IE 3" aft vertical and also your fuselage size and
engine type? I'm also utilizing the recent articles in the Association
newsletter.
Thank you very much!
Jack
DSM
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Wing Position |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Chuck.... I believe u understand...... that method is better than cabinet
struts that splay outward - way too Waco...(ha!)
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336499#336499
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Position |
If they're splayed out it's not a Pietenpol! :-)
Clif
>
>
> Thanks Chuck.... I believe u understand...... that method is better than
> cabinet struts that splay outward - way too Waco...(ha!)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
For mine, at gross weight with pilot, passenger and full fuel my CG is
34.67% of the chord of the wing, or 21" aft of the leading edge of the wing.
Since my wing leading edge is 16.5" aft of the firewall, this puts my CG at
gross weight (90 lbs of fuel, 200 lbs of me and a 170 lb passenger) at 37.5"
aft of the firewall. My axle (straight axle, 21" wire wheels) is 19.5" aft
of the firewall. Empty weight is 739.5 lbs.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:14 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Position
This is some great information for us builders. Remember to include one more
important point of information, where is your CG at max weight.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 4:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Position
For those flying I would like to enlist your help. I'm doing some
guestimating regarding control setup, weight and balance, etc. Could you
share your wing position, IE 3" aft vertical and also your fuselage size and
engine type? I'm also utilizing the recent articles in the Association
newsletter.
Thank you very much!
Jack
DSM
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
Jack P. mentioned his CG in terms of distance from a fixed point as well as % of
wing chord. Is there an ideal distance or % of chord that is best? I ask because
someone mentioned that "they" seem to think that a more aft CG flies better.
I would like to know if, idealy, there is a fixed point or fixed % of wing
chord that we should all be aiming for to get that "flies best" CG. I would assume
this would be best figured out as a % of wing chord, but I'm just guessing.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
It depends on the airfoil, but generally the CG should be somewhere between
25% and 33% of the wing chord. Pietenpols seems to be able to handle a more
aft CG than other airfoils, but I would be very leery of flying one with a
CG any further aft than about 35%.
CG too far aft makes the airplane divergent in stability, meaning that if
the plane pitches up, it will tend to keep pitching further nose up, rather
than tending to ease the nose down, as a stable airplane would do. This can
quickly lead to loss of control and entering a non-recoverable spin. Not
good.
CG too far forward can make it impossible to flare for landing, or even to
get the nose up enough to climb. Also not good.
Before setting up your test program for your Pietenpol, I strongly recommend
reading the book "Flight Testing Homebuilt Aircraft", by Vaughan Askue.
http://www.actechbooks.com/products/act226/
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 3:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG
Jack P. mentioned his CG in terms of distance from a fixed point as well as
% of wing chord. Is there an ideal distance or % of chord that is best? I
ask because someone mentioned that "they" seem to think that a more aft CG
flies better. I would like to know if, idealy, there is a fixed point or
fixed % of wing chord that we should all be aiming for to get that "flies
best" CG. I would assume this would be best figured out as a % of wing
chord, but I'm just guessing.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
The stated aft limit, per the Pietenpol family, is 20" back of the leading
edge....I want to say the forward limit was 15", but I can't find where I
read that at the moment...
Ryan
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Jack Phillips wrot
e:
> It depends on the airfoil, but generally the CG should be somewhere
> between 25% and 33% of the wing chord. Pietenpols seems to be able to
> handle a more aft CG than other airfoils, but I would be very leery of
> flying one with a CG any further aft than about 35%.
>
>
> CG too far aft makes the airplane divergent in stability, meaning that if
> the plane pitches up, it will tend to keep pitching further nose up, rath
er
> than tending to ease the nose down, as a stable airplane would do. This
can
> quickly lead to loss of control and entering a non-recoverable spin. Not
> good.
>
>
> CG too far forward can make it impossible to flare for landing, or even
to
> get the nose up enough to climb. Also not good.
>
>
> Before setting up your test program for your Pietenpol, I strongly
> recommend reading the book =93Flight Testing Homebuilt Aircraft=94, by Va
ughan
> Askue. http://www.actechbooks.com/products/act226/
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Perez
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 10, 2011 3:05 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG
>
>
> Jack P. mentioned his CG in terms of distance from a fixed point as well
as
> % of wing chord. Is there an ideal distance or % of chord that is best? I
> ask because someone mentioned that "they" seem to think that a more aft C
G
> flies better. I would like to know if, idealy, there is a fixed point or
> fixed % of wing chord that we should all be aiming for to get that "flies
> best" CG. I would assume this would be best figured out as a % of wing
> chord, but I'm just guessing.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
20" aft, with a 60" chord (my chord is 60.5" due to the type of trailing
edge I put on), would be 33%. 15" would be 25%. Those are pretty typical
numbers for most airfoils.
With my CG at 34.6% of chord, I would definitely not try to spin mine, but
it flies well, with no divergent qualities. Stalls are straightforward,
with a fairly sharp break (due to the tight radius of the leading edge on
the Pietenpol airfoil) and a slight tendency to drop a wing. It is stable
in pitch.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG
The stated aft limit, per the Pietenpol family, is 20" back of the leading
edge....I want to say the forward limit was 15", but I can't find where I
read that at the moment...
Ryan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Tailwheel connection |
Pieters:
-
I am seeking help in locating my pulleys for the rudder control and tail wh
eel control cables.
-
Does anyone have photos to-visualize the location and attachment for thes
e? I am not understanding if I need to cable splice or run two cable to for
the set-up. Any help appreciated.
-
KMHeide
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel connection |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Mine has yet to fly but I have only wooden guides on my rudder cables. The
tail wheel cables are attached to the rudder cables about 8" behind the seat using
Nicopress sleeves.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336579#336579
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Florida sales tax |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Thanks Ben. I will start the process tomorrow I guess. I just thought it was ironic
in that it has not flown yet.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336580#336580
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| Subject: | Stromberg carb. NA-S3 B |
| From: | "vagabondpa15" <vagabondpa15(at)verizon.net> |
I have a Vagabond PA-15 with C-85-12 using a Stromberg carburetor.
I need to know all the set up spec. such as float drop dim. any SB bulletins
& AD if any. Also any tips on how to..........
Thanking you all in advance.... Dave H
--------
Dave Harmon
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336583#336583
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Florida sales tax |
Jerry,
-
Don't worry, in Minnesota we tax the air your plane flies in if-your stay
-in Minnesota is longer than 30 days!....and you thought ait was free....
.- yea...(laughing)
-
KMHeide
-
--- On Sun, 4/10/11, Jerry Dotson wrote:
From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Florida sales tax
Date: Sunday, April 10, 2011, 7:22 PM
et>
Thanks Ben. I will start the process tomorrow I guess. I just thought it wa
s ironic in that it has not flown yet.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building- NX510JD- July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336580#336580
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Nice Day FLying |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
They probably bounced their landings too... distracted by the beautiful vintage
pietenpol...!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336588#336588
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel connection |
I attached my tailwheel cables like Jerry, but I added pulleys towards
the rear so the tailwheel cables exit the bottom of the fuselage. I
made some fairleads out of some micardis that I found in an old cabinet
I inherited from my grandfather who's been dead for 30 years, which
works well and ads a little more nostalgia to the airplane. He was a
pilot back in the late 30's.
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Fl
On 4/10/2011 8:21 PM, Jerry Dotson wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson"
>
> Mine has yet to fly but I have only wooden guides on my rudder cables. The
> tail wheel cables are attached to the rudder cables about 8" behind the seat
using Nicopress sleeves.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336579#336579
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel connection |
Micardis (telmisartan) is used to treat high blood pressure (hypertension)?
________________________________
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 10:16:36 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tailwheel connection
I attached my tailwheel cables like Jerry, but I added pulleys towards
the rear so the tailwheel cables exit the bottom of the fuselage. I
made some fairleads out of some micardis that I found in an old cabinet
I inherited from my grandfather who's been dead for 30 years, which
works well and ads a little more nostalgia to the airplane. He was a
pilot back in the late 30's.
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Fl
On 4/10/2011 8:21 PM, Jerry Dotson wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson"
>
> Mine has yet to fly but I have only wooden guides on my rudder cables. The
> tail wheel cables are attached to the rudder cables about 8" behind the seat
>using Nicopress sleeves.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336579#336579
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Stromberg carb. NA-S3 B |
Google it Dave...
http://luscombe.org/index.php?page=stromberg-carburetors-article-1-7-07
http://www.aeronca.com/k/Aeronca_Engines/manual/om-p5s10.htm
http://www.7ts0.com/manuals/continental/A-50-65-75/Instruction_Stromberg.pdf
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of vagabondpa15
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 7:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg carb. NA-S3 B
I have a Vagabond PA-15 with C-85-12 using a Stromberg carburetor.
I need to know all the set up spec. such as float drop dim. any SB bulletins
& AD if any. Also any tips on how to..........
Thanking you all in advance.... Dave H
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Dave Harmon
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| Subject: | Re: Florida sales tax |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jerry,
Tell them that the airplane is a homebuilt from plans. You bought everythin
g needed locally within the state at retail locations and have already paid
sales tax on all of the components. That is a bunch of crap. Florida is fa
mous for this kind of chicanery.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Sent: Sat, Apr 9, 2011 7:36 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Florida sales tax
et>
I registered my airplane with the FAA and guess what.....Florida Department
of
evenue sends me forms to fill out as to what I paid for the airplane. Then
ultiply that by 6% and send it in. Life is never dull.
--------
erry Dotson
9 Daniel Johnson Rd
aker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
ing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
sing Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel connection |
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
I meant micarta, not micardis.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 10, 2011, at 10:56 PM, Ryan M wrote:
> Micardis (telmisartan) is used to treat high blood pressure (hypertension)
?
>
> From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 10:16:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tailwheel connection
>
>
> I attached my tailwheel cables like Jerry, but I added pulleys towards
> the rear so the tailwheel cables exit the bottom of the fuselage. I
> made some fairleads out of some micardis that I found in an old cabinet
> I inherited from my grandfather who's been dead for 30 years, which
> works well and ads a little more nostalgia to the airplane. He was a
> pilot back in the late 30's.
>
> Ben Charvet
> Titusville, Fl
> On 4/10/2011 8:21 PM, Jerry Dotson wrote:
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson"
> >
> > Mine has yet to fly but I have only wooden guides on my rudder cables. T
he
> > tail
>
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Stromberg NA-S3 B |
Dave:
Everything you ever wanted to know about setting up the float level
on Strombergs is in Neal Wright's tech info and tips on the Bowers
Flybaby site, under 'carburetors', here:
http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/engines.htm
Harry Fenton also answers numerous tech questions about those carbs
on the same website.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout", A75/Stromberg NA-S3A1
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Position |
Gardiner,
Sorry for the demise of your Piet. My question is when you rebuild will
you do it again just the same, or will you make any changes? I am also a
200lb pilot.
Brian
SLC-UT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Position
Hi Jack, Mine was the long fuse, corvair moved forward 1 in., wings
tilted back
3.5 in. Taller cabanes, 36 in center section with 20 gal aluminum tank,
26 in
wide fuse, and Scott 2000 tailwheel, 600-6 wheels,and CGcame in within
limits
for my 200 lb body. Of course all that is history now due to that
tornado.
Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 8:22:34 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Position
Hi Jack,
Mine is the long fuselage. Cabanes are 2-1/2" longer and the wing is
3-3/4"
aft of vertical. Centersection tank, small (4") tailwheel). A65
Continental.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 8:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Position
Hi Jack,
I built the long fuselage. Axle is 1" forward, cabanes are 2" longer,
and
wing is positioned back 3 1/2", as per the Pietenpols' recommendations.
I
put the tank in the nose, 14.5 gallons. If you keep the tail very light
and
use a small tailwheel you shouldn't have any trouble with c.g.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Stromberg carb. NA-S3 B |
| From: | "vagabondpa15" <vagabondpa15(at)verizon.net> |
Thanks so much Jack, This just what I 'm looking for excellent info.
Thank you again..........Dave H
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Dave Harmon
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Position |
Brian, I have not decided yet. Tim Willis is sending me some wing ribs, jig. and
tail feathers and I will decide a little later on. Cheers, Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: "brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com" <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com>
Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 10:20:12 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Position
Gardiner,
Sorry for the demise of your Piet. My question is when you rebuild will
you do it again just the same, or will you make any changes? I am also a
200lb pilot.
Brian
SLC-UT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Position
Hi Jack, Mine was the long fuse, corvair moved forward 1 in., wings
tilted back
3.5 in. Taller cabanes, 36 in center section with 20 gal aluminum tank,
26 in
wide fuse, and Scott 2000 tailwheel, 600-6 wheels,and CGcame in within
limits
for my 200 lb body. Of course all that is history now due to that
tornado.
Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 8:22:34 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Position
Hi Jack,
Mine is the long fuselage. Cabanes are 2-1/2" longer and the wing is
3-3/4"
aft of vertical. Centersection tank, small (4") tailwheel). A65
Continental.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 8:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Position
Hi Jack,
I built the long fuselage. Axle is 1" forward, cabanes are 2" longer,
and
wing is positioned back 3 1/2", as per the Pietenpols' recommendations.
I
put the tank in the nose, 14.5 gallons. If you keep the tail very light
and
use a small tailwheel you shouldn't have any trouble with c.g.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Big Piet article from Sport Aviation Magazine (May 2009) |
Erkki from France & Group. Here is the article written by Barry Davis (th
anks Barry !) about the Big Piets that appeared in the May 2009 issue of E
AA's Sport Aviation magazine. I hope you find it helpful Erkki and to ot
hers who may not have read about this wonderful
undertaking by a great EAA Chapter from Georgia.
I was able to speak with Barry at Brodhead and see some of these Big Piets
up close and they are really a neat idea and well-thought out if you want a
slightly bigger version of a Pietenpol. The Big Piet Group used Corvair
engines for power but I believe that a Continental 0-200 100 hp engine woul
d also be an excellent choice for the larger airplane.
Mike C. Ohio
[cid:image004.jpg(at)01CBF867.6DCCCF50]
[cid:image003.jpg(at)01CBF867.6AD58850]
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
Thanks for the replies.- I have a different trailing edge on a Ribblet-
airfoil and I think the % of chord will help me more in estimating CG whil
e setting up the wing location relative to the fuselage.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Big Piet article from Sport Aviation Magazine (May |
2009)
| From: | "regchief" <kbosley(at)comcast.net> |
I have a question regarding the big Piets. I know there has been a lot of discussion
on the boards about increasing certain dimensions, such as taller cabanes,
increased fuselage width and wingspan.. I was wondering if anyone has just
increased all dimensions by say 10%. The articles and posts I have read about
the big Piets mention changes, but I was wondering if they had increased overall
dimensions or just modified a few as others have done.
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Mike,
What lengths are your Cabanes ?
Pieti Lowell
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
Michael, et al.,
There's a pretty good online tool for estimating the MAC of your
aircraft, here:
http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/cg_super_calc.htm
Just be sure to use the same length units throughout - put everything in
inches or feet or meters or leagues or furlongs.
Cheers,
Dan
On 04/11/2011 04:52 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
> Thanks for the replies. I have a different trailing edge on a Ribblet
> airfoil and I think the % of chord will help me more in estimating CG
> while setting up the wing location relative to the fuselage.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | FYI: New FAA AD web site |
All,
Another dame has caught my eye - without going into too much detail,
I've been weighing the pros and cons of bedding this steed in my hangar
and during the courtship process discovered that the FAA.gov site has
done a very good job of listing all the applicable airworthiness
directives on a make and model basis. Check it out:
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/airworthiness_directives/index.cfm/go/document.browseByMake/
Cheers,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | help identifying disk brake caliper |
| From: | "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> |
Folks - this may seem like a newbe question - and it probably is - but I need some
assistance from those more experienced.
First some background: I purchased a GN-1 (vintage 1986 build) last year that came
with 15-6.00x6 tires/wheels. Right brake was always a little spongy - I bled
it several times and it helped temporarily. At the end of the season I noticed
brake fluid starting to show up on the side of my tire. Pulled it off and
found the fluid was leaking between brake cylinder and the piston - meaning the
o-ring seal. When I looked closer - I also noticed that the casting has a small
split where the brake bleeder was overtightened at some point. Basically,
I need to replace the assembly.
Problem - this looks like a Matco assembly - but there is no identification that
I can find on the assembly. The piston is 1.5" dia. Axle it was mounted on is
1.25" dia. The brake rotor on the wheels isn't the tophat kind like what it
appears that Cleveland uses - but a ring style with three cap screws to attach
to the wheel.
Anybody have a clue what this is? I 'd like to replace somewhat in kind so the
master cylinder pressure matches and I don't have different braking loads on each
side of the plane.
Attached are pics for reference. Help?
FYI- intending to fly to Brodhead this year - then to Oshkosh with the group.
--------
Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Big Piet article from Sport Aviation Magazine (May |
2009)x2
tanks michael for another wonderfull mail , if you have another way to see
pictures you send my laptop jus only cand se the logo to adobe rider som ca
nd openin but tanks ani way and like all way you all right seyou jorge from
hanford
--- On Mon, 4/11/11, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] wrote:
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.g
ov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big Piet article from Sport Aviation Magazine (May
2009)
Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 1:42 PM
Erkki from France & Group.=C2-=C2- Here is the article written by Barry
Davis (thanks Barry !) =C2-about the Big Piets that appeared in the May
2009 issue of EAA=99s =C2-Sport Aviation magazine.=C2-=C2- I ho
pe you find it helpful Erkki and to others who may not have read about this
wonderful
undertaking by a great=C2- EAA Chapter from Georgia.=C2-=C2-
=C2-
I was able to speak with Barry at Brodhead and see some of these Big Piets
up close and they are really a neat idea and well-thought out if you want a
slightly bigger version of a Pietenpol.=C2-=C2- The Big Piet Group use
d Corvair engines for power but I believe that a Continental 0-200 100 hp e
ngine would also be an excellent choice for the larger airplane.
=C2-
Mike C.=C2-=C2-=C2- Ohio
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: help identifying disk brake caliper |
Lorin,
Send an email with your pix to Matco's Customer Service: http://www.matcomfg.com/contact.html
A couple of years ago I had some Matco wheel assemblies I couldn't identify and
their Customer Service guy was very helpful.
Good Luck,
John F.
GN-1 / Corvair
Richmond, TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: ldmill <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com>
>Sent: Apr 11, 2011 9:42 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: help identifying disk brake caliper
>
>
>Folks - this may seem like a newbe question - and it probably is - but I need
some assistance from those more experienced.
>
>First some background: I purchased a GN-1 (vintage 1986 build) last year that
came with 15-6.00x6 tires/wheels. Right brake was always a little spongy - I bled
it several times and it helped temporarily. At the end of the season I noticed
brake fluid starting to show up on the side of my tire. Pulled it off and
found the fluid was leaking between brake cylinder and the piston - meaning the
o-ring seal. When I looked closer - I also noticed that the casting has a small
split where the brake bleeder was overtightened at some point. Basically,
I need to replace the assembly.
>
>Problem - this looks like a Matco assembly - but there is no identification that
I can find on the assembly. The piston is 1.5" dia. Axle it was mounted on
is 1.25" dia. The brake rotor on the wheels isn't the tophat kind like what it
appears that Cleveland uses - but a ring style with three cap screws to attach
to the wheel.
>
>Anybody have a clue what this is? I 'd like to replace somewhat in kind so the
master cylinder pressure matches and I don't have different braking loads on
each side of the plane.
>
>Attached are pics for reference. Help?
>
>FYI- intending to fly to Brodhead this year - then to Oshkosh with the group.
>
>--------
>Lorin Miller
>Waiex N81YX
>GN-1 N30PP
>
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
| From: | "NX899SG" <stan.gaidis(at)gmail.com> |
yocum137 wrote:
> Michael, et al.,
>
>
> Just be sure to use the same length units throughout - put everything in
> inches . . . . . . .or furlongs.
>
> Cheers,
> Dan
>
Lets see I make the 60" cord of a Piet wing to be right at .0075757575757575757575757575756
furlongs
interesting [Cool]
Regards,
Stan
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| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Last night I began making my cabane fittings for the center section. After reading
how to bend the u-shaped material and the minimum radius needed, I proceeded
to make a fitting. With this u-shaped piece fitting over the spar, I have
a good gap in the wood to metal area because of the radiused metal and sharped
edged wood. Do most of you sand the wood in that area to fit the radius of
the metal?
--------
John
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| Subject: | NA-S3 B Stromber Carburetor |
| From: | "vagabondpa15" <vagabondpa15(at)verizon.net> |
My next question is where do you measure the float dem. 13/32 ?
I understand you start at the parting line of the float bowel but down to what?
Also do you include the thickness of the gasket?
I want to thank all who responded to my first questions.
Thank you all again.
Dave H
--------
Dave Harmon
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| Subject: | Re: NA-S3 B Stromber Carburetor |
| From: | "vagabondpa15" <vagabondpa15(at)verizon.net> |
OK I think I got it! down to the fuel level. This level is determined by the pressure
of the fuel just like it is in the aeroplane. Head pressure inches WC or
psi etc..... so I simulate it with gas line & funnel.
Dave H
--------
Dave Harmon
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
My cabanas are 1-3/8" longer then shown on the plans. (I managed to screw up cutting/
drilling them that this is the length they ended up at.)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Mon, 4/11/11, Pieti Lowell wrote:
> From: Pieti Lowell <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 8:59 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "Pieti Lowell"
>
> Mike,
> What lengths are your Cabanes ?
> Pieti Lowell
>
>
>
>
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
John, I would recomend not sanding the spar to shape (I could be wrong).-
My reason for saying that is because the spar "caps" top and bottom edges
are the most critical, load bearing areas.- Someone else chime in here if
I am completly wrong, but that is why you can get away with routing out th
e solid spars in the center, to make the routed I beam.- One possible sol
ution, is to add a rounded 1/8, or so plywood block to the top of the spar
to snug up the fit, this would also keep the fitting from cutting into the
spar cap.- Just make sure to leave the fitting long enough on the bottom
side to make up for the plywood block thickness.
-
Just an idea,
Shad
--- On Tue, 4/12/11, Kringle wrote:
From: Kringle <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Fittings
Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 10:31 AM
Last night I began making my cabane fittings for the center section.- Aft
er reading how to bend the u-shaped material and the minimum radius needed,
I proceeded to make a fitting.- With this u-shaped piece fitting over th
e spar, I have a good gap in the wood to metal area because of the radiused
metal and sharped edged wood.- Do most of you sand the wood in that area
to fit the radius of the metal?
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
John,
I have attached a snapshot taken from one of Tony Bingelis' book showing how to
deal with radius' corners in metal. I also added a drawing showing how you might
adapt the idea to your situation. You could cut a metal piece, radius the
corners, and put it in as a spacer. Does that make sense? Maybe some of the way-more
experienced builders can comment (I am just starting, so I really know
next to nothing), but I saw it in Tony's book and thought it might help.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> John,
>
> I have attached a snapshot taken from one of Tony Bingelis' book showing how
to deal with radius' corners in metal. I also added a drawing showing how you
might adapt the idea to your situation. You could cut a metal piece, radius the
corners, and put it in as a spacer. Does that make sense? Maybe some of the
way-more experienced builders can comment (I am just starting, so I really know
next to nothing), but I saw it in Tony's book and thought it might help. I think
that Shad and I are saying the same thing - I am suggesting metal and I think
he is suggesting a wood spacer.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Perhaps I will use this method as posted by Jack Textor. With the bending radius
of the lower piece I may have a hard time holding the 3/4 dimension as per
the print for the cabane attachment.
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
The Cabanes with the 612 should be very close to the same length because the angle
of incident is much different than the Piets, I will be trying different
angles to find the best flying configuration. The same length as the Pietenpol's
Cabanes,gives the trim of much forward stick pressure to hold straight and
level at 70 MPH.
Pieti Lowell
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
You guys do remember there's another piece of
U shaped metal that goes in there? Right?
Clif :-)
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From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 11:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings
>
>
> John,
>
> I have attached a snapshot taken from one of Tony Bingelis' book showing
> how to deal with radius' corners in metal. I also added a drawing showing
> how you might adapt the idea to your situation. You could cut a metal
> piece, radius the corners, and put it in as a spacer. Does that make
> sense? Maybe some of the way-more experienced builders can comment (I am
> just starting, so I really know next to nothing), but I saw it in Tony's
> book and thought it might help.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
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>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336726#336726
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Just how much bending moment is there at the cabane attach fittings anyway?
I would think there is very little; mostly shear load. Out at the lift
strut attach fittings where the wing is cantilevered is where the maximum
bending would occur. I wouldn't think that radiusing the edges of the
spar to fit the cabane attach fittings would make much difference.
However, I'm no structural engineer...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Does anybody out there have experience with different HVLP turbine systems?
I need one for my studio and want a good one. Spray enamels and laquers
mostly, but would like to be able to spray latex
Douwe
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
That is very interesting Pieti. Right now, my cabanes are taller in the front by
1" then the rear. Are you saying I should make new ones so they are all the
same length? At the moment, I don't have spare aluminum strut material to do so,
but could later if needed.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Terry Hand <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
Michael,
Many years ago in doing instrument work we used to use the rule of thumb tha
t at 60 nm each radial (i.e. degree) was 1 nm apart. In other words, a degre
e is 1/60 of your distance. If you are measuring from cabane to cabane and t
he distance is 30 inches ( I am just using that number as sn example as my p
lans are on order and I do not know the actual distance), a 1 degree rise in
the front cabane would equal 1/2 inch (30 inches divided by sixty).
I hope that helps somewhat. It really depends where you are measuring from, b
ut if you are measuring cabane to cabane I think that is the correct "gouge"
.
Semper Fideles,
Terry Hand
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 13, 2011, at 9:52, Michael Perez wrote:
> That is very interesting Pieti. Right now, my cabanes are taller in the fr
ont by 1" then the rear. Are you saying I should make new ones so they are a
ll the same length? At the moment, I don't have spare aluminum strut materia
l to do so, but could later if needed.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
>
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: hvlp systems |
I'm not sure if one is better than another but I've used my HVLP setup for several
years.
If I was to buy one, I would just go to Home Depot or Lowe's and buy one of their
fairly cheap setups with everything included.
I built one several years ago from an article in (I think) Wood Magazine. Used
a 2 stage vacuum motor (from Grainger's). It had a couple filters and was made
from particle board. Was a bit heavy but worked very well. And was cheap.....
My gun was one I saw at a woodworking convention, but I would expect most of them
to perform about the same.
It's amazing how little (almost NONE) overspray the HVLP processes gives you....It's
the ONLY way to go unless you're painting something big, like a house.
....
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg
Sent: Apr 13, 2011 8:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: hvlp systems
Does anybody out there have experience with different HVLP
turbine systems? I need one for my studio and want a good one. Spray enamels
and laquers mostly, but would like to be able to spray latex
Douwe
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
You're better off to go with a good hvlp gun and compressor. The turbines
generate heat which messes with the spaying and the flow of the paint. If
you buy a gravity feed hvlp the cfm requirement it not that bad. Don't get
a siphon feed! I have one and it needs 23cfm at 60psi. A typical gravity
feed gun only requires 10-15psi at about 8-11cfm.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: hvlp systems
Date: Wed=2C 13 Apr 2011 09:53:41 -0400
Does anybody out there have experience with different HVLP turbine systems?
I need one for my studio and want a good one. Spray enamels and laquers
mostly=2C but would like to be able to spray latex
Douwe
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
I'm no practicing aero engineer, but it seems to me if the airplane flies
nose high with the cabanes per the plans (front 1-inch longer than the rear)
if the front struts were shortened it would increase the nose high attitude.
Any comments?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG
>
>
> The Cabanes with the 612 should be very close to the same length because
> the angle of incident is much different than the Piets, I will be trying
> different angles to find the best flying configuration. The same length as
> the Pietenpol's Cabanes,gives the trim of much forward stick pressure to
> hold straight and level at 70 MPH.
> Pieti Lowell
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336762#336762
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>
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
In the plans (Hoopman) the angle of incidence is shown as 2 degrees, not
1. The cabane struts are shown as front strut being 1" longer than the
rear. This would make your formula of 1/60 for one degree about right.
The actual center to center measurement between the spars (thus also
between the cabane struts) is 28 3/4 inches.
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Hand
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG
Michael,
Many years ago in doing instrument work we used to use the rule of
thumb that at 60 nm each radial (i.e. degree) was 1 nm apart. In other
words, a degree is 1/60 of your distance. If you are measuring from
cabane to cabane and the distance is 30 inches ( I am just using that
number as sn example as my plans are on order and I do not know the
actual distance), a 1 degree rise in the front cabane would equal 1/2
inch (30 inches divided by sixty).
I hope that helps somewhat. It really depends where you are measuring
from, but if you are measuring cabane to cabane I think that is the
correct "gouge".
Semper Fideles,
Terry Hand
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 13, 2011, at 9:52, Michael Perez
wrote:
That is very interesting Pieti. Right now, my cabanes are
taller in the front by 1" then the rear. Are you saying I should make
new ones so they are all the same length? At the moment, I don't have
spare aluminum strut material to do so, but could later if needed.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
This talk about cabane lengths and angle of incidence got me thinking. (uh oh)
Actually, the angle of incidence is the angle formed between the chord line of
the wing and the longitudinal axis of the fuselage. The longitudinal axis of the
fuselage is pretty easy to determine - just use the top longerons. For the
chord line of the wing, you need to find an imaginary line that passes through
the trailing edge and the center of curvature of the leading edge.
With the spars (and the cabanes) spaced at 28 3/4", a 1 inch difference in the
cabane length will result in a 2 degree slope. The cabane attachment brackets
are mounted to the bottom of the spars, and identical brackets are used for the
front and back. So IF the bottoms of the spars were parallel to the chord line,
the angle of incidence would be 2 degrees per plans. But with the Pietenpol
(FC-10) airfoil, the chord line is NOT parallel to the bottoms of the spars
- in fact they are at about 1 1/2 degrees. So the true angle of incidence in
a plans-built Pietenpol is approximately 3 1/2 degrees. See attached sketch for
reference.
Now, if you are using the Riblett airfoil, it's a different story, because the
bottoms of the spars form an even bigger angle with the chord line. Common sense
would dictate that the difference in the lengths of the cabane struts (front
vs rear) should be different from the 1 inch difference shown in the Pietenpol
plans, if the angle of incidence is to be kept the same. I think this was already
discussed at length a year or so ago.
The funny thing is that drawing No.1 of the Pietenpol plans calls up 2 degrees
incidence - but that 2 degrees is actually only the strut lengths, and is not
measured to the chord line - so it is not the actual angle of incidence.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
This talk about cabane lengths and angle of incidence got me thinking. (uh oh)
Actually, the angle of incidence is the angle formed between the chord line of
the wing and the longitudinal axis of the fuselage. The longitudinal axis of the
fuselage is pretty easy to determine - just use the top longerons. For the
chord line of the wing, you need to find an imaginary line that passes through
the trailing edge and the center of curvature of the leading edge.
With the spars (and the cabanes) spaced at 28 3/4", a 1 inch difference in the
cabane length will result in a 2 degree slope. The cabane attachment brackets
are mounted to the bottom of the spars, and identical brackets are used for the
front and back. So IF the bottoms of the spars were parallel to the chord line,
the angle of incidence would be 2 degrees per plans. But with the Pietenpol
(FC-10) airfoil, the chord line is NOT parallel to the bottoms of the spars
- in fact they are at about 1 1/2 degrees. So the true angle of incidence in
a plans-built Pietenpol is approximately 3 1/2 degrees. See attached sketch for
reference.
Now, if you are using the Riblett airfoil, it's a different story, because the
bottoms of the spars form an even bigger angle with the chord line. Common sense
would dictate that the difference in the lengths of the cabane struts (front
vs rear) should be different from the 1 inch difference shown in the Pietenpol
plans, if the angle of incidence is to be kept the same. I think this was already
discussed at length a year or so ago.
The funny thing is that drawing No.1 of the Pietenpol plans calls up 2 degrees
incidence - but that 2 degrees is actually only the strut lengths, and is not
measured to the chord line - so it is not the actual angle of incidence.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Chuck,
I'm with you on this one. The GN-1's I've seen flying seem to fly nose high and
they have equal length cabanes as far as I know. I think almost all of these
older designs with cabanes have longer fronts than backs. Mr. Pietenpol must
have known what he was doing with that fantastic airfoil of his. Here's a shot
to show how the Pietenpol airfoil gives a nice level flight. Am I just a
little biased to the Pietenpol design?!!!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Sorry about that, how about this size...
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
OK... I'd like some input - back to the "grain direction and tightness" topic......
in the picture.above, the one that shows the close-up of the pulley, the
grain is nice and tight on the SIDE of the spar, but pretty open on the BOTTOM
of the spar. is this OK......!!?!??!???! I have purchased my (well built) wings
and the sparse have the same grain as is shown in that photo..... is that
OKAY...?
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Jake,
You can't have tight grain spacing on the sides AND the bottom. That would mean
that the grain was sloped at 45 degrees. You want the tight grain spacing on
the sides of the spars, not the bottom. The photo of Rick's spars shows it the
way it is supposed to be. You can see a little of the end grain, which shows
the growth rings to be quite horizontal (vertical grain, or quarter sawn). In
an IDEAL spar, there would be NO grain lines on the bottom or top - only on the
sides, and the end grain would be perfectly horizontal (when the spar is upright).
But some variation is acceptable, since wood is a natural substance, and
doesn't always grow according to specifications.
sounds like your spars are fine.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: help identifying disk brake caliper |
| From: | "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> |
Took John's advice and contacted Matco. Very impressed with their customer service.
They had an email back to me in 2 hours identifying this as an old Matco
version that the back side had been machined flat for some reason. They also identified
the replacement parts needed and the alternate entire assembly - which
I chose. $82 for the whole caliper assembly - I"ll take it.
Item of note - I had a senior moment for some reason - these are standard 6.00x6
wheels/tires - not 15-6.00x6...
Thanks all !
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Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
I liked the big picture Don, beautiful.
rick
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Don Emch wrote:
>
> Sorry about that, how about this size...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336866#336866
>
>
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>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
THANKS Bill.... it's things like this which make this message board - and your
friendships as we all move through this - so worthwhile.... Regards..........
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
The ideal is what I said before about the stack of paper.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 4:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings
>
>
> Jake,
>
> You can't have tight grain spacing on the sides AND the bottom. That would
> mean that the grain was sloped at 45 degrees. You want the tight grain
> spacing on the sides of the spars, not the bottom. The photo of Rick's
> spars shows it the way it is supposed to be. You can see a little of the
> end grain, which shows the growth rings to be quite horizontal (vertical
> grain, or quarter sawn). In an IDEAL spar, there would be NO grain lines
> on the bottom or top - only on the sides, and the end grain would be
> perfectly horizontal (when the spar is upright). But some variation is
> acceptable, since wood is a natural substance, and doesn't always grow
> according to specifications.
> sounds like your spars are fine.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336874#336874
>
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
I am assuming that we're talking about the pic
from Rick posted on the 4th, right?
If so that is one nice chunk of wood.
Also, if you look at the cabane fitting you'll see
what I said previously. There is a bent piece
of metal (essential for attaching the cabane) :-) in
the channel of the spar bracket that obviates
any need to round off the spar. But I do agree that
if necessary for fit this PARTICULAR area could
have the edges champhered. Like Oscar says, the
stresses here are significantly different from those
at the outer wing panel.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 4:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings
>
>
> Jake,
>
> You can't have tight grain spacing on the sides AND the bottom. That would
> mean that the grain was sloped at 45 degrees. You want the tight grain
> spacing on the sides of the spars, not the bottom. The photo of Rick's
> spars shows it the way it is supposed to be. You can see a little of the
> end grain, which shows the growth rings to be quite horizontal (vertical
> grain, or quarter sawn). In an IDEAL spar, there would be NO grain lines
> on the bottom or top - only on the sides, and the end grain would be
> perfectly horizontal (when the spar is upright). But some variation is
> acceptable, since wood is a natural substance, and doesn't always grow
> according to specifications.
> sounds like your spars are fine.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336874#336874
>
>
> -----
> No virus found in this message.
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
Idealy, yes. You are flying the wing not the fuselage.
That means you have to fly with that chord line at
the right angle for the wing to maintain lift.
BUT. In the Piet the nose high attitude is not always
an aerodynamic issue but a weight&balance one.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Campbell" > I'm no practicing aero engineer, but it seems to
me if the airplane flies
> nose high with the cabanes per the plans (front 1-inch longer than the
> rear) if the front struts were shortened it would increase the nose high
> attitude. Any comments?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:21 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG
>
>
>>
>>
>> The Cabanes with the 612 should be very close to the same length because
>> the angle of incident is much different than the Piets, I will be trying
>> different angles to find the best flying configuration. The same length
>> as the Pietenpol's Cabanes,gives the trim of much forward stick pressure
>> to hold straight and level at 70 MPH.
>> Pieti Lowell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336762#336762
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
THANKS Bill.... it's things like this which make this message board - and your
friendships as we all move through this - so worthwhile.... Regards..........
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Wing Sweep and CG |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Jerry,
I think I've used most of them too. The masterful pilot in that picture is Andrew
King. Nigel Hitchman was the photographer.
Bill, very interesting about the angle of incidence versus the location of the
bottom of the spars. I had not thought about that being thrown into the equation.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Angle of Incidence |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Attached are a couple of scale drawings that illustrate the actual angle of incidence
formed between the fuselage and the chord line of the airfoil for the Air
Camper, when outfitted with the standard FC-10 Pietenpol airfoil, and also
the Riblett GA30UA612 airfoil.
In both cases, the geometry used is based on the bottom surface of the spars making
contact with the top surface of the bottom capstrip of the rib. Spar spacing
is as per the Pietenpol plans, as is the location of the spars, relative to
the leading edge. Cabane mounting brackets are assumed to be mounted tight to
the underside of the spars. Cabane strut lengths are as per plans. With the
front cabanes 1 inch longer than the rear cabanes, an incidence angle of 2 degrees
is formed between the fuselage and the underside of the spars (for BOTH cases).
The difference lies in the angle formed between the bottom of the spars
and the chord line of the specific airfoil. For the FC-10, that angle is approximately
1.5 degrees. For the Riblett 612, the angle is about 2.1 degrees. This
difference is a characteristic of the bottom profile of the airfoil relative
to the chord line.
Therefore, by comparing these two drawings, we can see that if the Riblett airfoil
is mounted on the plans-built Pietenpol cabane struts, the result will be
an aircraft with approximately 0.6 degrees greater angle of incidence than the
standard plans-built Pietenpol with the FC-10 airfoil. No doubt, this would affect
the flight characteristics of the plane. In order to keep the angle of incidence
the same as the original design, while using the Riblett airfoil, the
front cabanes should only be about 11/16" longer than the rear, rather than the
1" shown in the plans.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Angle of Incidence |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Good stuff Bill, thanks!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: large fuselage for Erkki |
| From: | "DOMIT" <rx7_ragtop(at)yahoo.com> |
erkki67 wrote:
> Hello Douwe
>
> Thank you very much for your input.
>
> I wasn't aware about those builders in Florida, and for sure I would like to
know more about their fuselages.
>
> I've found a aircraft which have my demanded riveted fuselage, but it's a biplane
(german Kiebitz ) as well, but I would prefer to have a parasol like the
Pietenpol.
>
> As the weight is an issue, at least here at France, and I would like to register
it here in our 2 seater ultralight class MTOW 1041.6lbs incl parachute and
PAX.
>
> This is the reason why I would prefer to have a Piet or look a like that's as
light as possible.
>
> And to get there, I belive that the riveted Aluminium tube system is the way
to go.
>
> And by the way, to rivet the airframe together is within reach of almost every
builder.
>
> I've been following the Airdrome Aeroplanes for some while and even wrote to
Mr. Baslee, but the price he asked for a Parasol was out of my reach, for that
price I could buy a LSA, but as I'm not Bill Gates, I'll have to find an homebuilding
solution.
>
> Bst rgds
>
> Erkki
A properly optimized riveted aluminum tube fuselage is not going to be significantly
lighter than a properly optimized welded steel fuselage. I'm not saying
don't do it, I'm saying you don't gain anything but some ease of construction...
at the same time, the attachment "hard points" take a little more effort
for things like landing gear, cabanes, lift struts, etc.
If you want to design your own aircraft, have at it! Otherwise you can't go wrong
if you build from the plans.
I believe there is someone on here who designed steel tube tail surfaces for use
with the steel fuselage... as noted, the steel fuselage will save you some weight-
and torch welding steel isn't rocket science, just practice a little on
some scrap tubing.
Using a lighter engine will also save some weight.
A big thing that people overlook is paint. Paint is HEAVY! If you want a glossy,
showplane finish, it will weigh more than the minimum needed. Finish it through
"silvercoat" (the UV coat) and add a few minimal stripes of color- you'll
save a lot of weight.
And remember, the gross weight of your aircraft is what you say it is.
--------
Brad "DOMIT" Smith
First rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going fast.
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| Subject: | Re: Angle of Incidence |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Bill,
I have been trying to say what you have explained, because of forward stick pressure
required to go faster than 60 MPH, I am experimenting with a variable rear
Cabane height to see where the best position will be and keep in mind my 612
wing is shorter and it may require a different angle than a full length wing.
Pieti Lowell
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
As others have said, Mr. Pietenpol eliminated all of the trigonometry and
guesswork for us by providing simple measurements to build by. The front
cabane struts on Scout are 1" longer than the rear ones and I never worry
about the angle of incidence... it flies just right.
The cabanes on my airplane are inclined rearward 3" (at the top) and the
CG with the Continental engine is very easy to manage in all configurations.
By the way, for years my computer 'wallpaper' was the photo of Don Emch's
Piet with the cockpits full of kids. What a gorgeous airplane and a superb
composition. Later, my wallpaper was the air-to-air shot of Don's and
Frank Pavliga's Piets in close formation. Double gorgeous. These airplanes
are so photogenic.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Angle of Incidence |
Nice job Bill. My 612 ribs are located on the spars just as you described. This
is good intell. for me, thank you.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
-
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Who' Was Selling Alum. for cabanes? |
If the aluminum strut cut offs are still available, I would be interested in them.
Cantact me off list. Thanks.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
Oscar,
With the A-65, did you use the Pietenpol plans for the motor mount? I have
the Pientenpol motor mount plans, but I am building the Sky Scout. Does
anyone with the A-65 on a Sky Scout have an idea about the motor mount...
length, etc?
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Fuselage and tails pretty well done, sweating on the landing gear, ribs made
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 6:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Fittings
>
>
> As others have said, Mr. Pietenpol eliminated all of the trigonometry and
> guesswork for us by providing simple measurements to build by. The front
> cabane struts on Scout are 1" longer than the rear ones and I never worry
> about the angle of incidence... it flies just right.
>
> The cabanes on my airplane are inclined rearward 3" (at the top) and the
> CG with the Continental engine is very easy to manage in all
> configurations.
>
> By the way, for years my computer 'wallpaper' was the photo of Don Emch's
> Piet with the cockpits full of kids. What a gorgeous airplane and a
> superb
> composition. Later, my wallpaper was the air-to-air shot of Don's and
> Frank Pavliga's Piets in close formation. Double gorgeous. These
> airplanes
> are so photogenic.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Angle of Incidence |
| From: | Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr(at)gmail.com> |
Bill
Very cool, but, as you said, this is based on both spars being placed on
top of the bottom capstrip, In reality for the 612 airfoil, we would want to
place the front spar as high as possible in the rib, this would allow the
compression struts and other components to line up better between the spars.
What would the length be for the cabane if the front spar was all the way up
against the bottom of the top capstrip???
Chuck
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Bill Church wrote:
> billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
>
> Attached are a couple of scale drawings that illustrate the actual angle of
> incidence formed between the fuselage and the chord line of the airfoil for
> the Air Camper, when outfitted with the standard FC-10 Pietenpol airfoil,
> and also the Riblett GA30UA612 airfoil.
> In both cases, the geometry used is based on the bottom surface of the
> spars making contact with the top surface of the bottom capstrip of the rib.
> Spar spacing is as per the Pietenpol plans, as is the location of the spars,
> relative to the leading edge. Cabane mounting brackets are assumed to be
> mounted tight to the underside of the spars. Cabane strut lengths are as per
> plans. With the front cabanes 1 inch longer than the rear cabanes, an
> incidence angle of 2 degrees is formed between the fuselage and the
> underside of the spars (for BOTH cases). The difference lies in the angle
> formed between the bottom of the spars and the chord line of the specific
> airfoil. For the FC-10, that angle is approximately 1.5 degrees. For the
> Riblett 612, the angle is about 2.1 degrees. This difference is a
> characteristic of the bottom profile of the airfoil relative to the chord
> line.
> Therefore, by comparing these two drawings, we can see that if the Riblett
> airfoil is mounted on the plans-built Pietenpol cabane struts, the result
> will be an aircraft with approximately 0.6 degrees greater angle of
> incidence than the standard plans-built Pietenpol with the FC-10 airfoil. No
> doubt, this would affect the flight characteristics of the plane. In order
> to keep the angle of incidence the same as the original design, while using
> the Riblett airfoil, the front cabanes should only be about 11/16" longer
> than the rear, rather than the 1" shown in the plans.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336915#336915
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/riblett_incidence_738.pdf
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_incidence_153.pdf
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Let me first make it clear that all of your comments are very appreciated and I
probably would not be building this aircraft if I did not have the expertise
and support of this group. I blame myself for not being clear on the original
question and will ask it again as the conversation has drifted to wood grain,
motor mounts and wallpaper. Please review the attached pic and tell me if is
okay to modify the cabane fittings as I have seen others do. The left drawing
is the way called for in the plans and the right fitting is how I have seen
others do it.
Thanks so much
--------
John
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Continental motor mount |
Ray asked:
>With the A-65, did you use the Pietenpol plans for the motor mount?
Yes and no. The motor mount is essentially to the Piet plans for the
Continental, but it was extended a bit and didn't have the plans
dimensions to provide thrust offset. We've added shims to do that.
The main difference is the extension to put the engine a bit further
out from the firewall. I don't recall exactly how far it was extended
but can look that up in my notes if you're interested.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
John,
I made mine like the ones you've proposed, not as they are shown in
the plans. I wasn't comfortable with the welded tabs, as called out
in the plans. That puts the welds in tension. By bending two U's to
intersect, the welds really aren't carrying much, if any, loads. I
placed the weld on the undersides, where the cabanes attach to the
drop down fitting. The welds are there mostly to keep the two
U-shaped pieces together.
The one difference on mine is that the U fitting that attaches to the
spar wasn't crimped in. My spars are 1" in width. I suspect from the
drawings your's must be 3/4". I don't see a problem with how you've
got your's bent -- just a bit more work.
My best, Ken
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Kringle wrote:
>
> Let me first make it clear that all of your comments are very appreciated and
I probably would not be building this aircraft if I did not have the expertise
and support of this group. I blame myself for not being clear on the original
question and will ask it again as the conversation has drifted to wood grain,
motor mounts and wallpaper. Please review the attached pic and tell me if is
okay to modify the cabane fittings as I have seen others do. The left drawing
is the way called for in the plans and the right fitting is how I have seen others
do it.
>
> Thanks so much
>
> --------
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336992#336992
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/rear_cabane_fitting_885.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Has this been tried on a Piet? |
| From: | "Tom Bernie" <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net> |
Saw it at the National Aerospace Museum
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Thanks Ken, I'm thinking the same way you are. My spars are 3/4". I will get
some more strips sheared this morning as I have the grain running the wrong way
on the top pieces....dang!
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: Angle of Incidence |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Chuck,
Well, the simple answer would be that they would need to be extended by whatever
gap you end up with below the spar. But that isn't actually true, because for
the cabane mounting brackets to work, the spars MUST sit on top of the bottom
capstrip of the rib (in the centersection, at least). Therefore, if you raise
the front spar, you will need to do one of two things in your centersection
- either use a full height spar, or add extensions on the bottom of the spar at
the mounting bracket locations. (this is assuming you are building a three-piece
wing).
You will also need to do something similar (localized extension on the bottom of
the spar) at the lift strut attachment points, since there will be the same
issues out there.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
John,
I just looked back through the thread, and the only question you asked was whether
most builders sand the spar to suit the radius of the metal. I don't think
you ever asked the question you are now asking, and THAT'S probably why nobody
answered it. :)
Anyway, to answer your question; yes, the method you have shown will work just
fine. Remember to allow for the extra metal thickness added by overlapping the
two pieces.
Ken,
I don't follow your comments about the U fitting that attaches to the spar being
"crimped in". The photo looks like a simple 90 degree bend. I don't see any
crimping.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Bill, it may be the way the picture looks on my monitor. But to me it
looks like the top, upward pointing U that attaches to the spar is
closed back in a little before the vertical pieces start their
verticality. I wasn't intending any editorial comment, other than
that would require abit more work. Assuming what I think I'm seeing
is what I'm seeing (try to say that three times), it might be easier,
if starting from scratch, to use plywood shims on the spar, so that
the U that attaches to the spars are essentially three straight
pieces: the two sides and the bottom. Ken
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Bill Church wrote:
>
> John,
> I just looked back through the thread, and the only question you asked was whether
most builders sand the spar to suit the radius of the metal. I don't think
you ever asked the question you are now asking, and THAT'S probably why nobody
answered it. :)
> Anyway, to answer your question; yes, the method you have shown will work just
fine. Remember to allow for the extra metal thickness added by overlapping the
two pieces.
>
> Ken,
> I don't follow your comments about the U fitting that attaches to the spar being
"crimped in". The photo looks like a simple 90 degree bend. I don't see any
crimping.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337001#337001
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
All are simple 90 degree bends. Thanks guys, i just got back from the weld shop
with my new strips sheared to size. That should give me enough work to do this
weekend.
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: Angle of Incidence |
| From: | Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr(at)gmail.com> |
Bill
Agreed! I was leaning towards plan B....
Chuck
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Bill Church wrote:
> billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
>
> Chuck,
>
> Well, the simple answer would be that they would need to be extended by
> whatever gap you end up with below the spar. But that isn't actually true,
> because for the cabane mounting brackets to work, the spars MUST sit on top
> of the bottom capstrip of the rib (in the centersection, at least).
> Therefore, if you raise the front spar, you will need to do one of two
> things in your centersection - either use a full height spar, or add
> extensions on the bottom of the spar at the mounting bracket locations.
> (this is assuming you are building a three-piece wing).
> You will also need to do something similar (localized extension on the
> bottom of the spar) at the lift strut attachment points, since there will be
> the same issues out there.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336998#336998
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
John
Using two U-shaped pieces was specifically mentioned by Mr. Pietenpol in the original
Air Camper article in the Flying and Glider magazine. I have always wondered
why it changes to a three piece design on the Improved Air Camper plans.
My fittings are the same as your proposing.
Chris
--------
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
John, the guy who did my fittings did them according to the plans, but he
said that if he had it to do again he would make the fitting out of one
piece of metal and make 4 bends in it. Seems that that would be wasteful,
but it's an idea if you want it. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 8:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings
>
> Let me first make it clear that all of your comments are very appreciated
> and I probably would not be building this aircraft if I did not have the
> expertise and support of this group. I blame myself for not being clear
> on the original question and will ask it again as the conversation has
> drifted to wood grain, motor mounts and wallpaper. Please review the
> attached pic and tell me if is okay to modify the cabane fittings as I
> have seen others do. The left drawing is the way called for in the plans
> and the right fitting is how I have seen others do it.
>
> Thanks so much
>
> --------
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336992#336992
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/rear_cabane_fitting_885.jpg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Chuck,
I'm no engineer but I think that would work and be just as strong as the plan fittings.
Now I have to quit talking about it and get to work.
Thanks,
John
--------
John
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Has this been tried on a Piet? |
Looks like it might work, but I don't like the looks of it. C Do not
archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Bernie" <tsbernie(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:19 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Has this been tried on a Piet?
>
>
> Saw it at the National Aerospace Museum
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336996#336996
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011_03_15_123016_141.jpg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Chris,
You are right about the FGM. The article mentions these brackets, and the plans
from the FGM also show it that way.
Another thing that makes me scratch my head is the fact that these brackets are
drawn and detailed twice in the plans (on drawing #4 and again on drawing #5).
My guess is that when the tab was added to tie in the diagonal cable bracing, the
"blank" that would need to be cut out for the lower U channel would become
a lot more difficult to fabricate. By making the lower ears as separate pieces,
and welding them to the upper U channel, the parts are a lot simpler to cut
out.
However, when the diagonal cable bracing is replaced by the diagonal tube bracing,
the need for the tab is eliminated, making the bottom U channel easy to cut
once again.
>From a strength and safety point of view, the two U channels is superior to the
welded tabs.
I'll be making mine from two U channels.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Has this been tried on a Piet? |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Has WHAT been tried on a Piet?
enclosed passenger cabin?
crazy wooden tailskid?
flying a hang glider overhead?
or is it the airfoil shaped struts?
I believe this model (CF) was Bellanca's first of his many designs to use the "flying
struts".
Look at the undercamber on that wing!
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
John
Build mine as shown on the right, two "U" shaped pieces hooked together and
welded. Several others with flying Piets have done the same. Seems a lot
stronger and not much harder to make.
rick
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Kringle wrote:
>
> Let me first make it clear that all of your comments are very appreciated
> and I probably would not be building this aircraft if I did not have the
> expertise and support of this group. I blame myself for not being clear on
> the original question and will ask it again as the conversation has drifted
> to wood grain, motor mounts and wallpaper. Please review the attached pic
> and tell me if is okay to modify the cabane fittings as I have seen others
> do. The left drawing is the way called for in the plans and the right
> fitting is how I have seen others do it.
>
> Thanks so much
>
> --------
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336992#336992
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/rear_cabane_fitting_885.jpg
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Nice to see all this good ifitting inormation....
Sorry John to divert down a bunny trail there in the middle of the thread - I could
not figure how to re-post the photo to a new thread from my Droid.
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Continental motor mount |
Oscar,
Thanks for the thoughts. With the Sky Scout, there is only the Ford motor
mount plans. The Continental mount plans came with the Air Camper plans.
The Sky Scout is shorter, don't remember how much, and the wing is the same
as the Air Camper. I may just have to wait till I am closer to that point
to think about the mount length. It seems that the mount plans I have will
line up nicely with the fittings on the firewall of the Sky Scout.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 6:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental motor mount
>
>
> Ray asked:
>
>>With the A-65, did you use the Pietenpol plans for the motor mount?
>
> Yes and no. The motor mount is essentially to the Piet plans for the
> Continental, but it was extended a bit and didn't have the plans
> dimensions to provide thrust offset. We've added shims to do that.
> The main difference is the extension to put the engine a bit further
> out from the firewall. I don't recall exactly how far it was extended
> but can look that up in my notes if you're interested.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Anyone have a video tape version of Mike Cuy's Piet Doco? |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Hi all...I have asked Mike Cuy if he would mind if I put out a request to see if
anyone has a video tape, not DVD, version of his Pietenpol build. Im in Australia
and the DVD that Mike now has wont work on our DVD players here. I have
a dual Tape and DVD player which plays the US format tapes so if I could borrow
a tape copy I could burn a DVD in PAL format for me and send a copy to Mike
for future use. I WILL NOT sell any copies this is purely for my use only and
of course will return the tape to the owner once done.
Regards Scotty
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 8 Ribs built...
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
The interlocking U-shape is how it was done on NX18235 and is good for peace
of mind if you are an inexperienced welder.
I would suggest using a Scotchbrite deburring wheel to soften the sharp
edges of the fittings where they come in contact.
It is also good practice to polish the edges of the steel prior to bending.
This will make the fittings less prone to cracking.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings
>
> Let me first make it clear that all of your comments are very appreciated
> and I probably would not be building this aircraft if I did not have the
> expertise and support of this group. I blame myself for not being clear
> on the original question and will ask it again as the conversation has
> drifted to wood grain, motor mounts and wallpaper. Please review the
> attached pic and tell me if is okay to modify the cabane fittings as I
> have seen others do. The left drawing is the way called for in the plans
> and the right fitting is how I have seen others do it.
>
> Thanks so much
>
> --------
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336992#336992
>
>
> Attachments:
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone have a video tape version of Mike Cuy's Piet |
Doco?
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
PM sent Chris!
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 8 Ribs built...
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| Subject: | stromberg Carb - Seat and Needle |
| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
During my rebuild of my Stromberg carb, I learned a lot about them from
this forum and elsewhere on the Internet. I wanted to share a few things I
learned about mine in particular.
It appears to have originally been a NA-S3A1 that was modified to a NA-
S3B by using a file and a stamp on the housing. It has the correct
venturi size for my C85, and the jet was drilled out to the correct size.
and noted on the jet. The B is not supposed to have a mixture control,
mine does.
It also had a neoprene needle but the seat doesn't have a part number so
I wasn't 100% it was the rounded seat. I went ahead and ordered a
stainless steel seat to compare. The seats are very similar and with the
naked eye is difficult to tell the difference. Externally, the length of
threaded area is longer on the rounded seat and internally, it doesn't
appear to be rounded, but an extra chamfered area for the needle to
rest on.
I attached a bunch of photos and I hope they will help anyone who may
be working on one.
I got the stainless steel needle and seat and fuel strainer from Fresno
Airparts. I got the gasket set and new jet from AS&S.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | tips for welding fuel tank filler neck flange |
I'm doing my third fuel tank (don't ask.) and have always struggled with
welding on the filler neck ring without causing lots of distortion on the
top of the tank.
The first time, I built the tank and then cut the hole and welded on the
neck flange and it warped the snot out of the top and just didn't look good.
The second time I welded the flange on to the top while it was flat, prior
to welding it onto the rest of the tank. That worked MUCH better, but was
still not as clean and smooth as I see on others tanks.
So. any suggestions for how to do it and avoid warpage from the heat? I tig
weld by the way.
My plan is to rivet the flange on, weld the bead around the edge and then
weld over the rivet holes hoping that'll keep things smoother.
Thanks, as always.
Douwe
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone have a video tape version of Mike Cuy's Piet |
Doco?2
hi im jorge from hanford and I have those original vhs video from my cuy or
iginal tape but for the time is literbit distorcion but exelent video if yo
u like we cand figured how to send you make a COPY AND SEDMY BACK MY OR SOM
TING LIKE YOU LIVE AROUN HANFORD CA WE CAND MET OR SO TANKS FOR LISENIG JOR
GE FROM HANFORD
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From: bubbleboy <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone have a video tape version of Mike Cuy's Pie
t Doco?
Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 4:51 PM
m>
Hi all...I have asked Mike Cuy if he would mind if I put out a request to s
ee if anyone has a video tape, not DVD, version of his Pietenpol build. Im
in Australia and the DVD that Mike now has wont work on our DVD players her
e. I have a dual Tape and DVD player which plays the US format tapes so if
I could borrow a tape copy I could burn a DVD in PAL format for me and send
a copy to Mike for future use. I WILL NOT sell any copies this is purely f
or my use only and of course will return the tape to the owner once done.
Regards Scotty
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 8 Ribs built...
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| Subject: | Re: tips for welding fuel tank filler neck flange |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
I'm no welder, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once... ;)
I presume that you are not trying to weld around the entire perimeter in one continuous
pass and that you are welding small segments not directly adjacent to
each other?
Would it be possible to fill the tank with water while you're welding it to help
absorb the heat and minimize the distortion? Or perhaps just drape some damp
rags around the filler neck while you're welding it? I'm not sure what other
steps could be used to help with this, but as I said I'm no welder. I'm sure
that others will have more advice than I can offer, but hope this is of some
help to you.
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | tips for welding fuel tank filler neck flange |
Douwe,
Have you considered Proseal (can't remember the new name) and rivets? It has
worked well for me. I wouldn't be comfortable with ANY moisture around my
tig machine.
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tips for welding fuel tank filler neck
flange
I'm doing my third fuel tank (don't ask.) and have always struggled with
welding on the filler neck ring without causing lots of distortion on the
top of the tank.
The first time, I built the tank and then cut the hole and welded on the
neck flange and it warped the snot out of the top and just didn't look good.
The second time I welded the flange on to the top while it was flat, prior
to welding it onto the rest of the tank. That worked MUCH better, but was
still not as clean and smooth as I see on others tanks.
So. any suggestions for how to do it and avoid warpage from the heat? I tig
weld by the way.
My plan is to rivet the flange on, weld the bead around the edge and then
weld over the rivet holes hoping that'll keep things smoother.
Thanks, as always.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Holmes County, OH Piets? |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
I'm headed to Holmes county next weekend (Easter) and was wondering if
any Pietenpols were in the area I could look at?
John
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John
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| Subject: | Cont-A75 for sale on Barnstormers |
| From: | "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> |
Hey all - just saw a Cont-A75-9 (w/ starter gears) for sale on Barnstormers for
$2900.
Good for a Piet project - I love mine :D
Lorin
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Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | For Sale - N8031 |
Dear all,
Well, I've been presented an opportunity to purchase a Hatz biplane, but
my dear lovely wife says that I can't have 2 airplanes. She says I have
to sell the Piet. I protested, of course, but to no avail.
So, with heavy heart and deep trepidation, I have determined that the
time has come to pass the stewardship of N8031 to another pilot. I've
had a lot of fun with her and I'm sure the next owner will, too. We've
hopped many rides together at Brodhead and local pancake breakfasts and
poked into some interesting grass strips around Northern Illinois and
Southern Wisconsin. I flew her about 60 hours in the 20 months I've
owned her. She's treated me very well.
Here are her specifics:
Short fuselage Pietenpol Air Camper built in 1979
Stits poly cover with dope, repainted in 1999
Cub-style split axle gear with Cub 8.00x4 tires
723lbs empty, 1200lb gross
16.5g fuel (13g tank in center section + 3.5 header tank)
~400 TTAF&E
Continental A-65-8F ~400 SMOH
Marvel Schebler MA-3 carb with accelerator pump and mixture control
74-42 McCauley Met-L-Prop
New stainless steel exhaust installed 2010
With 0 gallons of fuel she is still within the W&B limits with a 196lb
pilot. With full fuel, she can handle a 226lb pilot. I'm 170lb and
have given rides to 210lb passengers with no problem.
The prior owner had several adventures with N8031 including flying her
from San Luis Obispo, CA to Dayton, OH where he entered it in the
Airventure Cup race to OSH. That story and the pictures are at the
following URLs:
N8031's Trip Across America:
http://malherbe.us/osh2009.htm
"EAA Airventure Today" article about entering N8031 in the the
Airventure Race:
http://airventure.org/news/2009/090728_cup_racer.html
Here's a video I posted on youtube flying N8031 - that's me with the big
smile in the pilot's seat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj6ycRzzO20
I'm asking $14,500 for her.
If you are interested please feel free to drop me an email off list at
my personal email address, yocum137(at)gmail.com.
Thanks!
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale - N8031 |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Dan,
Sad news. But somebody else will get a chance to acquire a real dependable
workhorse. I especially like that hangar in the background of the first pho
to :O)
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Sent: Sat, Apr 16, 2011 2:40 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: For Sale - N8031
Dear all,
Well, I've been presented an opportunity to purchase a Hatz biplane, but
y dear lovely wife says that I can't have 2 airplanes. She says I have
o sell the Piet. I protested, of course, but to no avail.
So, with heavy heart and deep trepidation, I have determined that the
ime has come to pass the stewardship of N8031 to another pilot. I've
ad a lot of fun with her and I'm sure the next owner will, too. We've
opped many rides together at Brodhead and local pancake breakfasts and
oked into some interesting grass strips around Northern Illinois and
outhern Wisconsin. I flew her about 60 hours in the 20 months I've
wned her. She's treated me very well.
Here are her specifics:
Short fuselage Pietenpol Air Camper built in 1979
tits poly cover with dope, repainted in 1999
ub-style split axle gear with Cub 8.00x4 tires
23lbs empty, 1200lb gross
6.5g fuel (13g tank in center section + 3.5 header tank)
400 TTAF&E
ontinental A-65-8F ~400 SMOH
arvel Schebler MA-3 carb with accelerator pump and mixture control
4-42 McCauley Met-L-Prop
ew stainless steel exhaust installed 2010
With 0 gallons of fuel she is still within the W&B limits with a 196lb
ilot. With full fuel, she can handle a 226lb pilot. I'm 170lb and
ave given rides to 210lb passengers with no problem.
The prior owner had several adventures with N8031 including flying her
rom San Luis Obispo, CA to Dayton, OH where he entered it in the
irventure Cup race to OSH. That story and the pictures are at the
ollowing URLs:
N8031's Trip Across America:
http://malherbe.us/osh2009.htm
"EAA Airventure Today" article about entering N8031 in the the
irventure Race:
http://airventure.org/news/2009/090728_cup_racer.html
Here's a video I posted on youtube flying N8031 - that's me with the big
mile in the pilot's seat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj6ycRzzO20
I'm asking $14,500 for her.
If you are interested please feel free to drop me an email off list at
y personal email address, yocum137(at)gmail.com.
Thanks!
an
--
an Yocum
ermilab 630.840.6509
ocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Holmes County, OH Piets? |
I am about an hour south west of holmes county, in Centerburg, Ohio.- I w
ill be at work untill untill 5 pm sunday, but let me know if you're still i
n the area on monday You can stop by if you like.
-
Shad
--- On Sat, 4/16/11, Kringle wrote:
From: Kringle <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Holmes County, OH Piets?
Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 8:40 AM
I'm headed to Holmes county next weekend (Easter) and was wondering if
any Pietenpols were in the area I could look at?
John
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John
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| Subject: | Re: Holmes County, OH Piets? |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Thanks Shad but I won't be in town then. Maybe some other time. I'd love to see
your Piet!
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John
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Holmes County, OH Piets? |
Oh that reminds me...I'll be in Kotzebue, AK (30 miles north of the arctic circle)
in a few weeks.
Any Piets in the area??? :-)
I am hoping for a tour of the area in a small plane but it's probably too much
to ask that it be a Piet...
Jim in Pryor...
-----Original Message-----
From: shad bell
Sent: Apr 16, 2011 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Holmes County, OH Piets?
I am about an hour south west of holmes county, in Centerburg, Ohio. I will be
at work untill untill 5 pm sunday, but let me know if you're still in the area
on monday You can stop by if you like.
Shad
--- On Sat, 4/16/11, Kringle wrote:
From: Kringle <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Holmes County, OH Piets?
Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 8:40 AM
I'm headed to Holmes county next weekend (Easter) and was wondering if
any Pietenpols were in the area I could look at?
John
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| From: | Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Elite Pietenpol purists only! |
What do you other model "A" guys use for a cruise RPM? I could have sworn that
Mr. Pietenpol used 1850 but I can't remember where I got that number. (Not that
I'm getting forgetful but in my line of work some things get a little fuzzy if
I
don't use them often.)
Also, I'm polling the faithful for prop sizes. I'm running a 74x48 but again, I
seem to remember that Mr. Pietenpol had a range that he recommended that had a
lot less pitch.....I think, maybe, possibly.....or maybe not.
Chet Peek's book has some references but I can't find my copy right now and I'm
not too sure where he got his info. I believe it differed from what I had heard.
Thanks for your help!
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale - N8031 |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
You'll still come to Brodhead, right?! Now that you've made your mark there you'll
always be considered part of the Pietenpol Fraternity.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Holmes County, OH Piets? |
John, Where are you headed to Holmes Co from? We are SE of there where I 77
crosses the Ohio river. We have 2 Piets , a Grega and 3 Piet projects on
the field.
Skip
>
>
> I'm headed to Holmes county next weekend (Easter) and was wondering if
> any Pietenpols were in the area I could look at?
>
> John
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| Subject: | Re: Holmes County, OH Piets? |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Wow, I wish I was closer but am coming from the Dayton area.
Thanks
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Holmes County, OH Piets? |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
John,
I'm about an hour and 15 minutes east of there. If you were going to be around
on Saturday, you'd be welcome to stop by.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Elite Pietenpol purists only! |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Larry,
If I'm not mistaken Bernard referenced 1650 as a cruise RPM in the F&G. My
home-made prop is a 76/46. Seems to work fine.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:19 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elite Pietenpol purists only!
What do you other model "A" guys use for a cruise RPM? I could have sworn t
hat Mr. Pietenpol used 1850 but I can't remember where I got that number. (
Not that I'm getting forgetful but in my line of work some things get a lit
tle fuzzy if I don't use them often.)
Also, I'm polling the faithful for prop sizes. I'm running a 74x48 but agai
n, I seem to remember that Mr. Pietenpol had a range that he recommended th
at had a lot less pitch.....I think, maybe, possibly.....or maybe not.
Chet Peek's book has some references but I can't find my copy right now and
I'm not too sure where he got his info. I believe it differed from what I
had heard.
Thanks for your help!
Larry
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | elite purist piet stuff |
Hey Larry,
Though sadly, not an official member anymore of the EPPG (Elite Purist
Pietenpol Group) I can say that my years of research and the18" thick stack
of back issues shows The predominant Ford props seem to be 76X42 and 76X44.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Elite Pietenpol purists only! |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Per the Bible...:
"The airplanes that we build for the Ford engine (i.e. Air Camper/Sky Scout)
weigh approximately 620 pounds empty. They carry two 170 pound people with
the engine throttle less than half open. We recommend the engine to turn
over at 1750 RPM on the ground and cruise at 1650 RPM in the air, although
they will turn up to 1900 RPM in the air at full throttle. However, cruising
at 1650 RPM reduces the amount of maintenance that is required for the
engine."
On props; he talks about the important factors for a prop, and how they
tried many different ones before arriving at one that provided the best
results, then this:
First of all, the propeller must be of good design, good materials and
efficient. The diameter should range from 6' 2" to 6' 6" and have a pitch of
4' 0" to 4' 3". The propeller should turn from 1650 RPM on the ground to
1750 RPM with the 4' 0" pitch."
Chet's book echoes these comments. He does also include an anecdotal
paragraph about a drawing Orrin Hoopman made of a recommended prop in 1933.
It was referencing a "stock" prop made for Bernard by Ole Fahlin. The
drawings indicated a 44'" pitch, but later measurements showed it was not
constant. He concluded that the effective pitch was "too much Bite for the
Model A"....
If any of you do not own Chet's book yet, you are wrong. Buy a copy!
http://www.threepeakspub.com/
<http://www.threepeakspub.com/>If you don't have the F&G Manuals yet I would
recommend just getting the "Builder's Manual" from the family. Support them,
it contains the text and pics concerning the Pietenpols from the F&G
Manuals, and it also has notes, tips and tricks, etc that you won't find
anywhere else: http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/
<http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/>Ryan
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 5:54 AM, wrote:
> Hi Larry,
>
> If I'm not mistaken Bernard referenced 1650 as a cruise RPM in the F&G. My
> home-made prop is a 76/46. Seems to work fine.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
> To: Pietlist
> Sent: Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:19 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elite Pietenpol purists only!
>
> What do you other model "A" guys use for a cruise RPM? I could have sworn
> that Mr. Pietenpol used 1850 but I can't remember where I got that number.
> (Not that I'm getting forgetful but in my line of work some things get a
> little fuzzy if I don't use them often.)
>
> Also, I'm polling the faithful for prop sizes. I'm running a 74x48 but
> again, I seem to remember that Mr. Pietenpol had a range that he recommended
> that had a lot less pitch.....I think, maybe, possibly.....or maybe not.
>
> Chet Peek's book has some references but I can't find my copy right now and
> I'm not too sure where he got his info. I believe it differed from what I
> had heard.
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Larry
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: For Sale - N8031 |
Oh, absolutely, Don! That's one of the big reasons I even considered buying the
Hatz - their annual reunion is at the same time at Brodhead.
However, I have been informed that I'll have to park it away from the Piets. Talk
about separation of the classes, eh??
;-)
Another reason is that my dad knew Johnny Hatz and I've visited his farm way back
when I was a kid. I just stood in awe of one the biplanes he was restoring,
an OX-5 powered Waco 10 or Bird if I recall correctly. I've been smitten by
the biplane bug ever since.
Dan
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yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Apr 16, 2011, at 8:57 PM, "Don Emch" wrote:
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> You'll still come to Brodhead, right?! Now that you've made your mark there
you'll always be considered part of the Pietenpol Fraternity.
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Elite Pietenpol purists only! |
| From: | "Baldeagle" <baldeagle27(at)earthlink.net> |
Why do you ask, Larry? Are you trying to go faster?????
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| From: | Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Trip down to SnF |
Here's a few pictures of the Pietenpols trip down to Sun-NFun. Best part of the
trip !!
I reduced the size. HQ is way to large.
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| From: | Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Damage To N971BP |
I started to check the damage to my plane. Last weekend I uncovered my left
wing, aileron and rudder. I should have the repairs to the aileron complet
e today and start making some ribs today. I post more as soon as I uncover
some more damages.
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| Subject: | Re: Damage To N971BP |
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
Shouldn't it be against the rules or something to post pictures like this?
Actually I appreciate you posting them - but it does hurt.
Best of luck and God's speed.
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| Subject: | Re: Holmes County, OH Piets? |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Don, i don't think my wife will give up that much of her shopping time to make
the trip over. I looked at your plane on west coast piet and liked a lot of things
you have done. Are you going to be at Brodhead this year?
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John
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| From: | "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Elevator spruce strips |
After Chet Peak's book being mentioned I took a few moments last night to read
through it again. As I am in the process of finishing up my elevators I took
considerable interest in the photo of a horizontal stab and elevators hanging
on a wall in his book. What caught my attention was each elevator had one diagonal
3/16 by 1/2 strip and three vertical strips per side. The plans call out
for only two vertical strips per side and that is how I built mine. Have a
bunch of builders added this third strip? Is it for extra rib stitching or strength?
Scott Knowlton
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Trip down to SnF |
Frank, I really like snf 2011 003A. Could you please send me the bigger file for
printing? thanks,Gardiner.
--- On Sun, 4/17/11, Frank Metcalfe wrote:
From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trip down to SnF
Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 1:16 PM
Here's a few pictures of the Pietenpols trip down to Sun-NFun. Best part of the
trip !!
I reduced the size. HQ is way to large.
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Damage To N971BP |
The experiance kinda reminds you of your youth?- Fixing my wing (fell off
work bench) reminded me of fixing my rc models after a good CRUNCH.- Bot
h are heart breaking, but both also eventually get fixed, keep on going.-
You built the whole airplane, a few repairs are like a drop in the bucket.
-
Shad
--- On Sun, 4/17/11, Frank Metcalfe wrote:
From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Damage To N971BP
Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 1:33 PM
I started to check the damage to my plane. Last weekend I uncovered my left
wing, aileron and rudder. I should have the repairs to the aileron complet
e today and start making some ribs today. I post more as soon as I uncover
some more damages.
-
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Holmes County, OH Piets? |
John, if you are coming from dayton area to holmes county, you are going up
rt 3?- If so you will drive right by my house/hangar.- Centerburg airp
ort is on rt 3, just north of Sunbury Ohio about 9 miles or so.-
--- On Sat, 4/16/11, Kringle wrote:
From: Kringle <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Holmes County, OH Piets?
Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 10:17 PM
Wow, I wish I was closer but am coming from the Dayton area.
Thanks
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: Holmes County, OH Piets? |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Shad,
I will only be in the area on Friday and Saturday.
Thanks,
John
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John
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| Subject: | springfield Illinois |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
i'm in springfield all week.. any piets close...??
took a photo looking down on the piet last week.... looks like a model
jeff
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| From: | "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: springfield Illinois |
Jeff,
I keep N12939, 50 miles south on I-55 at Litchfield,IL. (3LF). It's not a
project. Built buy Ed Sampson in 1972, owned by VI Kaplar for 23 years until
I bought it in Oct. 2009.
I can meet you there any night this week.
Perry Rhoads
217-854-2521 days
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From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 9:10 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: springfield Illinois
>
>
> i'm in springfield all week.. any piets close...??
>
> took a photo looking down on the piet last week.... looks like a model
>
> jeff
>
>
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: springfield Illinois |
A BEAUTIFUL model....that's nice.
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>Sent: Apr 18, 2011 9:10 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: springfield Illinois
>
>
>i'm in springfield all week.. any piets close...??
>
>took a photo looking down on the piet last week.... looks like a model
>
>jeff
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| Subject: | Fuselage Construction |
| From: | "lowell23(at)msn.com" <lowell23(at)msn.com> |
I've built the workbench where my fuselage jig will be laid out, and plywood, spruce
and T-88 are on their way from Aircraft Spruce. I have one question (for
now...) about how to glue it all together in the jig. Should I put the longerons
in first, then squeeze in the struts and cross braces with the glue on them,
or should I put one longeron in the jig, glue on the struts and cross braces,
then bring the other longeron up to the struts, etc. before putting on the
gussets? I've read Mr. Pietenpol's builders notes, and he seems to indicate
doing it the first way, but I just picture the glue being squeegeed (is that
a word?) out. I certainly appreciate any input.
Thank you,
Lowell
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
Squeegeed? I think the correct word is, "Squoze." ;-)
Anyhow, use the first method, put the epoxy on both surfaces. In my case, I
was able to flex the longeron just enough to not scrape off all the epoxy,
in most cases. No matter, the real strength is in the gussets.
Carry on with confidence...
Gary Boothe
-----Original Message-----
From: lowell23(at)msn.com
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 7:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Construction
I've built the workbench where my fuselage jig will be laid out, and
plywood, spruce and T-88 are on their way from Aircraft Spruce. I have one
question (for now...) about how to glue it all together in the jig. Should
I put the longerons in first, then squeeze in the struts and cross braces
with the glue on them, or should I put one longeron in the jig, glue on the
struts and cross braces, then bring the other longeron up to the struts,
etc. before putting on the gussets? I've read Mr. Pietenpol's builders
notes, and he seems to indicate doing it the first way, but I just picture
the glue being squeegeed (is that a word?) out. I certainly appreciate any
input.
Thank you,
Lowell
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
Lowell:
I found the first way to work very well with the added advantage that the
upper and lower longerons can be very accurately jigged in place and then
the cross braces can be fooled with (sorry to use such technical language)
until the fit is just perfect before adding the glue. Most of these cross
braces can be placed between the longerons and just rotated into place so
you do not get that "squeegee" effect.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "lowell23(at)msn.com" 4/18/2011 9:40 AM >>>
I've built the workbench where my fuselage jig will be laid out, and
plywood, spruce and T-88 are on their way from Aircraft Spruce. I have
one question (for now...) about how to glue it all together in the jig.
Should I put the longerons in first, then squeeze in the struts and cross
braces with the glue on them, or should I put one longeron in the jig,
glue on the struts and cross braces, then bring the other longeron up to
the struts, etc. before putting on the gussets? I've read Mr. Pietenpol's
builders notes, and he seems to indicate doing it the first way, but I
just picture the glue being squeegeed (is that a word?) out. I certainly
appreciate any input.
Thank you,
Lowell
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Fuselage Construction |
Lowell, Put the longerons in the jig and then you can custom fit the
uprights and diagonals. Don't try cutting them to exact length first - they
will never fit quite right. Gary's right - don't worry about squeezing the
glue out of the butt joints - even with exactly right amounts of glue, a
butt joint is still very weak. The strength comes from the gussets.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
lowell23(at)msn.com
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 10:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Construction
I've built the workbench where my fuselage jig will be laid out, and
plywood, spruce and T-88 are on their way from Aircraft Spruce. I have one
question (for now...) about how to glue it all together in the jig. Should
I put the longerons in first, then squeeze in the struts and cross braces
with the glue on them, or should I put one longeron in the jig, glue on the
struts and cross braces, then bring the other longeron up to the struts,
etc. before putting on the gussets? I've read Mr. Pietenpol's builders
notes, and he seems to indicate doing it the first way, but I just picture
the glue being squeegeed (is that a word?) out. I certainly appreciate any
input.
Thank you,
Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Holmes County, OH Piets? |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
John,
As of right now I am planning to make the Brodhead trip this year.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | One-Seven-Whiskey-Romeo |
I just noticed in the latest BPA Newsletter that Bill Rewey's Piet,
NX17WR, is for sale. Anybody know the story behind this? Is he
hanging up his goggles or building another Piet?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
| From: | "lowell23(at)msn.com" <lowell23(at)msn.com> |
Thank you very much, everybody! That all makes perfect sense. Now I really can't
wait for to see the UPS truck in my driveway!
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| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
Well I have talked to Kevin and he runs a adjustable prop on his but I'm wondering
what the other folks with the GM's are using on theirs. I have a 66X29" Tennessee
prop on this one I'm test flying now and it seems to really need either
more pitch or more blade size. it sure turns pretty high in flight.have to pull
the throttle way back to keep it under 3350 or more in level flight.take-off
performance isn't that impressive either.slow cruise indicating 70 mph or a
little more is still in the 3400 RPM range.only 4 flights into it I have a lot
of testing and tweaking to do but it is fun so far. I like Fords but guess crank
snap'in could be addictive. if anybody has a better spare prop you want to
sell or swap for something I might have to spare let me know.Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
That's what I thought. I got the project from D.J. with it on the engine but I'm
afraid I need to get something with more bite soon. I don't know that I'll damage
the engine but it sure reduces the performance I'm thinking.I may check
on the corvair list and see if anyone has a good one to get rid of. I have a new
set of 5" wheels and brakes that I removed from it that would sure be good
trading material as well as a few other goodies. wish there was a swap list on
the site.
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| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
I think WW says 3100 is about top desired rpm for his corvair
conversion. don't remember recommended prop dimensions without
checking.
Kip Gardner
On Apr 19, 2011, at 11:00 AM, skellytown flyer wrote:
> >
>
> That's what I thought. I got the project from D.J. with it on the
> engine but I'm afraid I need to get something with more bite soon. I
> don't know that I'll damage the engine but it sure reduces the
> performance I'm thinking.I may check on the corvair list and see if
> anyone has a good one to get rid of. I have a new set of 5" wheels
> and brakes that I removed from it that would sure be good trading
> material as well as a few other goodies. wish there was a swap list
> on the site.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
| From: | "heavyliftpilot" <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
This might be off topic, but does the fuselage kit from ACS have full length ailerons,
or are they short to accomodate shipping, and need to be spliced together?
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
| From: | "heavyliftpilot" <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
Sorry, i meant, full length longerons, not ailerons. james
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
heavyliftpilot wrote:
> This might be off topic, but does the fuselage kit from ACS have full length
ailerons, or are they short to accomodate shipping, and need to be spliced together?
I am going to assume that you meant to say "longerons", not "ailerons" when discussing
the fuselage package from Aircraft Spruce. The longerons are indeed one
piece, and are longer than required for the standard or long fuselage. Nothing
in the entire wood package requires splicing in order to make a full length
dimension.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
Raymond,
I am using a 63 x 36 Tennessee.
2900 RPM static at near sea level
About 3100 at WOT in the air.
Most of time 2300 RPM cruising at 65 Mph.
I am happy with my prop, never tested another so improvement might be possi
ble.
Climbing performance is a good 800 fpm with one onboard
Hans
NX15KV
Waller, TX
-----Original Message-----
From: skellytown flyer <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:46 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
.com>
Well I have talked to Kevin and he runs a adjustable prop on his but I'm
ondering what the other folks with the GM's are using on theirs. I have a
6X29" Tennessee prop on this one I'm test flying now and it seems to really
eed either more pitch or more blade size. it sure turns pretty high in
light.have to pull the throttle way back to keep it under 3350 or more in l
evel
light.take-off performance isn't that impressive either.slow cruise indicat
ing
0 mph or a little more is still in the 3400 RPM range.only 4 flights into i
t I
ave a lot of testing and tweaking to do but it is fun so far. I like Fords
but
uess crank snap'in could be addictive. if anybody has a better spare prop y
ou
ant to sell or swap for something I might have to spare let me know.Raymond
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| Subject: | off-topic- need help |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Does anyone know how someone goes about changing the name of a private airs
trip on a sectional chart? I want to change mine from "Oliver" (the previou
s owner) to "Lowensloe".
on the St. Louis sectional chart. If anyone can help please contact me off-
list. Thanks in advance.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
| From: | james theissen <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Mark, and yes, i meant lonerons! i went back and made the
correction. I live about 4 hours from ACS, and will be up to Atlanta
a few times in the next year...so, i think it would be worth my time
to just pick it up instead of paying for shipping. james
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:41 AM, K5YAC wrote:
>
>
> heavyliftpilot wrote:
>> This might be off topic, but does the fuselage kit from ACS have full length
ailerons, or are they short to accomodate shipping, and need to be spliced together?
>
>
> I am going to assume that you meant to say "longerons", not "ailerons" when discussing
the fuselage package from Aircraft Spruce. The longerons are indeed
one piece, and are longer than required for the standard or long fuselage. Nothing
in the entire wood package requires splicing in order to make a full length
dimension.
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337500#337500
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: off-topic- need help |
| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
You need to refile form 5010 with the FAA
http://www.faa.gov/airports/airport_safety/airportdata_5010/
Then just wait for it to appear on the new sectional
Hans
NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew <helspersew(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 19, 2011 10:47 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: off-topic- need help
Does anyone know how someone goes about changing the name of a private airs
trip on a sectional chart? I want to change mine from "Oliver" (the previou
s owner) to "Lowensloe".
on the St. Louis sectional chart. If anyone can help please contact me off-
list. Thanks in advance.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: off-topic- need help |
| From: | Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com> |
There is an FAA Charting office. I don't have the number, though. I'm not s
ure they're the starting point, but it's worth a shot.
Wayne Bressler
Taildraggers, Inc.
www.taildraggersinc.com
On Apr 19, 2011, at 11:44 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Does anyone know how someone goes about changing the name of a private air
strip on a sectional chart? I want to change mine from "Oliver" (the previou
s owner) to "Lowensloe".
> on the St. Louis sectional chart. If anyone can help please contact me off
-list. Thanks in advance.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: off-topic- need help |
| From: | American Safety Consultants <amsafetyc(at)gmail.com> |
Dan
When you get it changed will there be a loenslow fly in weekend to properly
celeberate the new official name and rededication
On Apr 19, 2011 11:49 AM, wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone know how someone goes about changing the name of a private
airstrip on a sectional chart? I want to change mine from "Oliver" (the
previous owner) to "Lowensloe".
> on the St. Louis sectional chart. If anyone can help please contact me
off-list. Thanks in advance.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
We have a 66-30 hegy prop, and static is about 2750-2800.- She will cruis
e along at about 75-80 on 5 gph.- As far as cruise rpm don't know exactly
, the tach is not very accurate, it is a westach, with the tach generator.
- I don't know if it can be adjusted or not, but checking it against a di
gital timing light (with tach) it shows the tach is reading 400 rpm higher
than actual at full throtle, and about correct at idle.-
-
Shad
--- On Tue, 4/19/11, hvandervoo(at)aol.com wrote:
From: hvandervoo(at)aol.com <hvandervoo(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 11:41 AM
Raymond,
-
I am using a 63 x 36 Tennessee.
-
2900 RPM static at near sea level
-
About 3100 at WOT in the air.
-
Most of time 2300 RPM cruising at 65 Mph.
-
I am happy with my prop, never tested another so improvement might be possi
ble.
-
Climbing performance is a good 800 fpm with one onboard
-
Hans
-
NX15KV
Waller, TX
-----Original Message-----
From: skellytown flyer <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 19, 2011 9:46 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
.com>
Well I have talked to Kevin and he runs a adjustable prop on his but I'm
wondering what the other folks with the GM's are using on theirs. I have a
66X29" Tennessee prop on this one I'm test flying now and it seems to reall
y
need either more pitch or more blade size. it sure turns pretty high in
flight.have to pull the throttle way back to keep it under 3350 or more in
level
flight.take-off performance isn't that impressive either.slow cruise indica
ting
70 mph or a little more is still in the 3400 RPM range.only 4 flights into
it I
have a lot of testing and tweaking to do but it is fun so far. I like Fords
but
guess crank snap'in could be addictive. if anybody has a better spare prop
you
want to sell or swap for something I might have to spare let me know.Raymon
d
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Yes John,
As soon as I get my act together I will plan an event at Lowensloe Airfield
(G.Owen Lowensloe, prop.). Thanks to Wayne and Hans for the leads. This in
fo will get me headed in the right direction. Leave it to the guys on this
list for a wealth of knowledge, and fast too!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: American Safety Consultants <amsafetyc(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 19, 2011 11:42 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: off-topic- need help
Dan
When you get it changed will there be a loenslow fly in weekend to properly
celeberate the new official name and rededication
On Apr 19, 2011 11:49 AM, wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone know how someone goes about changing the name of a private ai
rstrip on a sectional chart? I want to change mine from "Oliver" (the previ
ous owner) to "Lowensloe".
> on the St. Louis sectional chart. If anyone can help please contact me of
f-list. Thanks in advance.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | off-topic- need help |
Dan, give me plenty of advanced warning and I might make the journey over
the mountains to visit, and to see my Mom. Of course, you need to get your
own Pietenpol there first.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: off-topic- need help
Yes John,
As soon as I get my act together I will plan an event at Lowensloe Airfield
(G.Owen Lowensloe, prop.). Thanks to Wayne and Hans for the leads. This info
will get me headed in the right direction. Leave it to the guys on this list
for a wealth of knowledge, and fast too!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: American Safety Consultants <amsafetyc(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 19, 2011 11:42 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: off-topic- need help
Dan
When you get it changed will there be a loenslow fly in weekend to properly
celeberate the new official name and rededication
On Apr 19, 2011 11:49 AM, wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone know how someone goes about changing the name of a private
airstrip on a sectional chart? I want to change mine from "Oliver" (the
previous owner) to "Lowensloe".
> on the St. Louis sectional chart. If anyone can help please contact me
off-list. Thanks in advance.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks guys- I guess mine is just a little more climb pitch. I just got off the
phone with the guy at Tennessee prop and he said most he has sold for corvairs
on Piet types have been 66X30's. I guess unless I find somebody out there in
the cyberworld with a good used one to swap or I find someone willing to give
me at least a little more than half what a new set of Grove 5" wheels and brakes
like I have here that I took off it cost. I'll carefully continue testing
some more and monitor the speed close.I hope to borrow an optical tach at some
point and check this thing but I'm looking at readings from a Grand Rapids EIS
unit set up for the Corvair engine so I suspect it to be pretty accurate. I
would think it counts the pulses digitally and is awful accurate.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337525#337525
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| From: | SENTUCHOWS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
Heavyliftpilot, Don't forget if you pick up your kit they will charge you
taxes.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: 1st Piet fly-in at Loensloe Field, TN |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc. wrote:
> "Wimmin's be thinkin' too much."
>
> -john-
Oh yeah, that's going to work out real well.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Dave, I think that Heavyliftpilot lives in the same state as Aircraft Spruce where
he intends to pick up his wood from. He'd be paying taxes on it whether he
ordered it by phone, online, or picking it up in person. He can at least save
the shipping charges if he picks it up personally, plus he can inspect the
wood as he's loading it to make sure that it meets his specifications. I'd pick
mine up too if I were in his position.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
I was just about to mention that you should verify the accuracy of your tachometer,
but it looks like you have already thought of that. Sounds like a good plan,
it's always good to verify information like that so that you don't damage
your engine, or worse...
Have you considered carving your own prop? Several people on this list have done
it, this way you can get the exact prop that you want at substantial savings.
Dan Helsper offers a really well put together CD on prop carving that is well
worth the price if you are interested in trying this out for yourself.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Hey A Guys..
i know quite a few run a single ignition on the ford.... just wondering if anyone
has a thought on heads..
i was kinda waiting on a dual plug head from snyders.. they are working on the
new casting.. and i'm on the list
but i wonder if i "need" dual ignition
i have a wico model c mag with an adjustable impulse and its hot !
but i thought about a electronic "B" distributor too ... i need an electrical system
anyway
been thinking about a winfield head... or thomas .. kinda want to stick with aluminum
for weight
jeff
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337553#337553
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| From: | SENTUCHOWS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Taxes on material |
Hey Billy,
I found out the hard way. I ordered almost $2,000 worth of wood and
other supplies. I live in Western North Carolina so I went and picked it up
to save shipping. Surprise!!! The taxes on that amount were just short of
the shipping by truck.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
| From: | james theissen <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Billy, yes, i live west of savannah. I just retired from the army
(23 years) as a 'heavy lift pilot' (chinook driver). rather do the
'low and slow' flying. James T
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Billy McCaskill wrote:
>
> Dave, I think that Heavyliftpilot lives in the same state as Aircraft Spruce
where he intends to pick up his wood from. He'd be paying taxes on it whether
he ordered it by phone, online, or picking it up in person. He can at least save
the shipping charges if he picks it up personally, plus he can inspect the
wood as he's loading it to make sure that it meets his specifications. I'd pick
mine up too if I were in his position.
>
> --------
> Billy McCaskill
> Urbana, IL
> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337545#337545
>
>
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
Talk to Pieti Lowell He seems to know more about the "A" than anyone. Lowe
ll?
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: model a heads
> From: jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com
> Date: Tue=2C 19 Apr 2011 17:33:26 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
om>
>
> Hey A Guys..
> i know quite a few run a single ignition on the ford.... just wondering i
f anyone has a thought on heads..
> i was kinda waiting on a dual plug head from snyders.. they are working o
n the new casting.. and i'm on the list
> but i wonder if i "need" dual ignition
> i have a wico model c mag with an adjustable impulse and its hot !
> but i thought about a electronic "B" distributor too ... i need an electr
ical system anyway
>
> been thinking about a winfield head... or thomas .. kinda want to stick w
ith aluminum for weight
>
> jeff
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337553#337553
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
| From: | james theissen <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Dave, i live west of savannah, and i think i'd rather pick up the
wood and save on the shipping. however, i have not check on how much
the shipping would be. James t
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:10 PM, wrote:
> Heavyliftpilot, Don't forget if you pick up your kit they will charge you
> taxes.
>
> Dave
>
>
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| From: | SENTUCHOWS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
Skellflyer, Jay Anderson at Cloud Cars will sell you a rough prop. Sorry I
don't know his number. Look in Barnstormers under wood props.
Dave
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | One-Seven-Whiskey-Romeo |
Oscar, I've seen it advertised in various places for 6 months. I too
wondered about Bills plans. I may call him and discuss. He is a great
engineer, pilot and gentleman. He gave me my first and only Piet ride.
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: One-Seven-Whiskey-Romeo
I just noticed in the latest BPA Newsletter that Bill Rewey's Piet,
NX17WR, is for sale. Anybody know the story behind this? Is he
hanging up his goggles or building another Piet?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
I use a Tennessee 66x30 and max out at 2950 static (but I am at 6700 ft).
rick
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 1:41 PM, skellytown flyer wrote:
> skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
>
> Thanks guys- I guess mine is just a little more climb pitch. I just got off
> the phone with the guy at Tennessee prop and he said most he has sold for
> corvairs on Piet types have been 66X30's. I guess unless I find somebody out
> there in the cyberworld with a good used one to swap or I find someone
> willing to give me at least a little more than half what a new set of Grove
> 5" wheels and brakes like I have here that I took off it cost. I'll
> carefully continue testing some more and monitor the speed close.I hope to
> borrow an optical tach at some point and check this thing but I'm looking at
> readings from a Grand Rapids EIS unit set up for the Corvair engine so I
> suspect it to be pretty accurate. I would think it counts the pulses
> digitally and is awful accurate.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337525#337525
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Raymond,
This, from my notes at Brodhead '09:
Randy Bush, 64/32
Gary & Shad Bell, 66/30
PF Beck, 64/34
Kurt Shipman, 64/34
Best of luck to you!
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of skellytown
flyer
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
Well I have talked to Kevin and he runs a adjustable prop on his but I'm
wondering what the other folks with the GM's are using on theirs. I have a
66X29" Tennessee prop on this one I'm test flying now and it seems to really
need either more pitch or more blade size. it sure turns pretty high in
flight.have to pull the throttle way back to keep it under 3350 or more in
level flight.take-off performance isn't that impressive either.slow cruise
indicating 70 mph or a little more is still in the 3400 RPM range.only 4
flights into it I have a lot of testing and tweaking to do but it is fun so
far. I like Fords but guess crank snap'in could be addictive. if anybody has
a better spare prop you want to sell or swap for something I might have to
spare let me know.Raymond
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Taxes on material |
In most states you're gonna pay taxes on it anyway. I'd rather pay a littl
e as I go than get hit with a big tax bill when I register my aircraft.
You can pay me now...or pay me later. The government is like a bookie. The
y always get their money.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: SENTUCHOWS(at)aol.com
Date: Tue=2C 19 Apr 2011 18:27:34 -0400
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Taxes on material
Hey Billy=2C
I found out the hard way. I ordered almost $2=2C000 worth of wood and o
ther supplies. I live in Western North Carolina so I went and picked it up
to save shipping. Surprise!!! The taxes on that amount were just short of
the shipping by truck.
Dave
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan Peek" <speeklaw(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | information from Chet Peek |
Chet Peek asked me to provide this information to the list:
1. I took the Model A and prop information directly from the 1932 MM Flying
Manual which Bernie wrote, and from supporting conversations with family
members. They mentioned that they first used a war surplus prop from a
Lawrance Model A-3 engine, (page 8) but it wouldn't even get the plane off
the ground. Everyone should buy that Flying Manual, EAA has them.
In the 1920's people were afraid of high RPM because the Model T had no
pressure oil feed and the A only had it to the mains. But I drove a Model A
200 miles each way to college for 2 years, (page 18), always at 60-65 MPH
and never burned out a bearing.
I don't know the exact specs on my prop since it came with the engine and
with no other information, but with the twin ignition high compression head
I expect to see 2000 at the top end.
2. About the elevators. Yes, I added an extras rib for two reasons.
First, almost half the inner portion of the elevator surface was
unsupported. Second, the ribs did not line up with the horizontal
stabilizer ribs. It looked bad, so for aesthetic reasons I added the rib
and put them in line with the elevator ribs. I've added a few things here
or there, but certainly not over 15 pounds to the whole structure, and since
I weigh only 125 pounds and I have a 50+ HP Model A, I don't worry.
Stan Peek (Chet's son)
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
thanks for the tips guys- I found one fellow in Kansas that had a 66x32 Sterba
he loaned to a fellow and never got it back or any money. if he can get it back
I may try it out and buy it if it works well.I am still searching for the Cloudcars
site.so far no luck but if they are all scimitars- if I spelled that right
I don't know how they would do on a Corvair . I expect he makes regular ones
too.I'll sure try to make contact with him.those size ranges tell me I'm on
the too flat side of the range to cruise much but by careful throttle control
I my be able to fly some till I come up with one.Raymond
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
*Jay Anderson
CLOUDCARS
cloudcars(at)verizon.net
325-356-2810*
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 19, 2011, at 8:34 PM, skellytown flyer wrote:
skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
thanks for the tips guys- I found one fellow in Kansas that had a 66x32
Sterba he loaned to a fellow and never got it back or any money. if he can
get it back I may try it out and buy it if it works well.I am still
searching for the Cloudcars site.so far no luck but if they are all
scimitars- if I spelled that right I don't know how they would do on a
Corvair . I expect he makes regular ones too.I'll sure try to make contact
with him.those size ranges tell me I'm on the too flat side of the range to
cruise much but by careful throttle control I my be able to fly some till I
come up with one.Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: model a heads |
| From: | "Brett Phillips" <bphillip(at)shentel.net> |
Jeff:
I'm afraid I know too much about the WICO model C (from tractor
experience) to be eager to fly behind one. The Wico X is a better design,
and parts are much easier to source and reasonably priced as this mag is
still manufactured for industrial/agricultural applications. If you want
to use an industrial/agricultural mag, the American Bosch base mounted
mags are generally regarded as being well designed and reliable, but they
are heavier than most other choices. Standard Magneto Sales in Chicago
may still have some of these as New-Old-Stock. They should also be able
to supply the coupling parts necessary to fine tune the timing on a base
mounted mag setup. The side mounted mag drives sold by Ken Perkins are a
clean and sanitary way to install a mag on a Ford, and I might be tempted
to use one of them with a Slick mag, just be sure to verify that you have
proper gear mesh. Distributors will require more complexity and perhaps
weight, as they will require a full electrical system...
Brett Phillips
Strasburg, VA
NX311GP
wrote:
>
>
> Hey A Guys..
> i know quite a few run a single ignition on the ford.... just wondering
> if anyone has a thought on heads..
> i was kinda waiting on a dual plug head from snyders.. they are working
> on the new casting.. and i'm on the list
> but i wonder if i "need" dual ignition
> i have a wico model c mag with an adjustable impulse and its hot !
> but i thought about a electronic "B" distributor too ... i need an
> electrical system anyway
>
> been thinking about a winfield head... or thomas .. kinda want to stick
> with aluminum for weight
>
> jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337553#337553
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I was just over in the U.K. and met some of the members of the U.K. Pietenpol Club.
They have a member, I think that his name is Alan James, that carves props
for people. I have attached an excel spreadsheet that is on their website for
determining optimum prop diameter/pitch. I will simply say this - use at your
own risk, but I hope that it helps.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
While we are on the subject of Corvair propellers and propeller carving. On
my website is a good booklet written in 1984 called "How I Make Wood
Propellers" by Al Schubert ( http://westcoastpiet.com/construction.htm ).
In Part 1 on pages 67B to 68 and pages 68F to 68G, Mr. Schubert discusses a
propeller he made for Mr. Pietenpol's Corvair powered Air Camper.
It sure wish I could have know Mr. Schubert and Mr. Pietenpol. I would love
to of had the pleasure of meeting them and learning from them. There my kind
of people.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Taxes on material |
Hi Dave,
Are you building a Piet with all that wood?
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 4/19/2011 8:56:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Taxes on material
Hey Billy,
I found out the hard way. I ordered almost $2,000 worth of wood and other supplies.
I live in Western North Carolina so I went and picked it up to save shipping.
Surprise!!! The taxes on that amount were just short of the shipping
by truck.
Dave
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | SENTUCHOWS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Taxes on material |
Hi Skip, Long time no see. How are you doin? No, I'm just a Piet fan. I
help Jim P. with his from time to time. I am building a biplane. I still have
my Mini Winnie.
Dave
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
I can't seem to find Jay's phone number here at the office, but here is
his other contact information. He has built several different props for
us Corvair guys - both straight and scimatar. Everybody I have talked to
raves about them. Here is a photo of the one he built for me. Note how
the prop makes me look slimmer. (NOT)
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
Jay Anderson
CLOUDCARS
408 North Houston Street
Comanche, Texas 76442
>>> "skellytown flyer" 4/19/2011 8:30 PM >>>
I am still searching for the Cloudcars site.
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
We use 66x30 Culver Props on the Big Piets, but several combinations will
work. We opted for the "swept back" prop (couldn't spell semitar??)instead
of a straight prop. They were the same price, but looked cooler. We have
since covered the prop leading edges with fiberglass after some rain erosion
during the trip to Brodhead & Airventure last year. With a 66" prop, 3100 is
the max rpm to keep the tip from going supersonic (I have not done the math
on this, but it is on a prop chart) We get 2950 static and 3100 plus a
little in cruise with the engine flat out.
Barry Davis
NX973BP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:11 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
Raymond,
This, from my notes at Brodhead '09:
Randy Bush, 64/32
Gary & Shad Bell, 66/30
PF Beck, 64/34
Kurt Shipman, 64/34
Best of luck to you!
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of skellytown
flyer
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:43 AM
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