Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-kj
April 20, 2011 - May 05, 2011
Well I have talked to Kevin and he runs a adjustable prop on his but I'm
wondering what the other folks with the GM's are using on theirs. I have a
66X29" Tennessee prop on this one I'm test flying now and it seems to really
need either more pitch or more blade size. it sure turns pretty high in
flight.have to pull the throttle way back to keep it under 3350 or more in
level flight.take-off performance isn't that impressive either.slow cruise
indicating 70 mph or a little more is still in the 3400 RPM range.only 4
flights into it I have a lot of testing and tweaking to do but it is fun so
far. I like Fords but guess crank snap'in could be addictive. if anybody has
a better spare prop you want to sell or swap for something I might have to
spare let me know.Raymond
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Jack and Karen's home (while they are building) and marriage- |
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
Well after a day of work I received a reply from Cloudcars.it is a beautiful prop
to say the least. and though a little more expensive than a Sterba I wonder
how the performance compares? have any of you put enough hours on this style
prop to tell if there is performance gain and how they do for vibration ? I don't
want to become a true crank snapper for sure! thanks again for all the feedback
guys. I need to sell off a rifle or something and order one of those things.
they sure are classy.Raymond
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| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Has anyone ordered the Pietenpol steel sheet "kit" from Aircraft Spruce? You apparently
get three 18 X 72" sheets of 0.63, 0.090, and 0.125 (which I assume
is for 16, 13, and 10 ga., respectively).
I built the ribs, tail, and now the fuselage with wood from A.S., but I never ordered
the "kits" because I was worried they wouldn't be complete. I guess I
want to know if the steel sheet kit supplies enough of the sheet stock to complete
all the steel fittings for the airplane without having to order anything
else. If not, what other steel would I need to order?
Thanks,
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Steel sheets |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Maybe I should just ask:
Does anyone have an itemized list for the steel they ordered for their Piet? I've
found that the most frustrating part in the build so far has been my "ordering"
supplies later than I needed them and then had to slow things down for the
3 to 4 weeks before they arrived. My next step is steel fittings--I'd like
to place the order now (complete) so I can get to it next month when the fuselage
is done.
Thanks again,
Tom
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
What do the plans say? Seems like I made an awful lot of parts out of .090"
4130
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steel sheets
Has anyone ordered the Pietenpol steel sheet "kit" from Aircraft Spruce?
You apparently get three 18 X 72" sheets of 0.63, 0.090, and 0.125 (which I
assume is for 16, 13, and 10 ga., respectively).
I built the ribs, tail, and now the fuselage with wood from A.S., but I
never ordered the "kits" because I was worried they wouldn't be complete. I
guess I want to know if the steel sheet kit supplies enough of the sheet
stock to complete all the steel fittings for the airplane without having to
order anything else. If not, what other steel would I need to order?
Thanks,
Tom
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
You will need 0.032" for the control horns
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Steel sheets
What do the plans say? Seems like I made an awful lot of parts out of .090"
4130
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steel sheets
Has anyone ordered the Pietenpol steel sheet "kit" from Aircraft Spruce?
You apparently get three 18 X 72" sheets of 0.63, 0.090, and 0.125 (which I
assume is for 16, 13, and 10 ga., respectively).
I built the ribs, tail, and now the fuselage with wood from A.S., but I
never ordered the "kits" because I was worried they wouldn't be complete. I
guess I want to know if the steel sheet kit supplies enough of the sheet
stock to complete all the steel fittings for the airplane without having to
order anything else. If not, what other steel would I need to order?
Thanks,
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
| From: | steve emo <steve.emo58(at)gmail.com> |
I've been working on the side lately to come up with a prop design for a
Curtiss Pusher powered by an OX-5 - I think that is similar to a Corvair...
it's about 90HP -- but much slower RPM. This will be a custom wood prop.
This UK spread sheet is fairly basic and gives you a reasonable estimate of
the diameter. That is basically 850 ft/s tip speed for wood and 950 ft/s
for metal. The trick is the pitch/airfoil and chord. He makes a pretty
optimistic assumption of 88% efficiency which I don't think you'll get.
There are lots of sources for information on prop selection. The EAA had
two excellent articles that will can be understood without jumping into the
real ugly math. Applications of wooden and metal propellers - by
Sunderland, Nov 1973, and Give it a whirl by Neal Willford, July 2004.
Willford also has a spread sheet he developed that is much more
comprehensive and is available over the EAA site. All of these papers are
based on a number of NACA repors of which the must reads are #924 and #640,
#212 is a good place to start because walks you through a sizing process and
shows the importance on the diameter, and gives you the allowable stress for
the various types of woods. Also #350 is more for metal props, but it has
some reasonable profile drags that the fuselage presents. #460 gives a much
deeper look at various airfoil characteristics. But cutting to the end RAF
6 and Clack Y are favored. Now if I haven't dumped enough on you there is
also a German site called JAVAprop that actually will let you design a prop
using his software for free. www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/jp_content.htm
This the most in-depth and comprehensive program I've seen for free. In
summary everything I've listed is free just Google and enjoy.
Hope that helps.
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:34 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
> I was just over in the U.K. and met some of the members of the U.K.
> Pietenpol Club. They have a member, I think that his name is Alan James,
> that carves props for people. I have attached an excel spreadsheet that is
> on their website for determining optimum prop diameter/pitch. I will simply
> say this - use at your own risk, but I hope that it helps.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
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>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/proppitchcalculator_263.xls
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Steel sheets |
| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
Don't forget some .035 for the control horns. You may also want to purchase more
than you think you will need. I built my horns a couple of times until I was
satisfied with them. Ken Perkins gave a nice presentation about building the
fitttings during Broadhead the last couple of years. I made new horns after
seeing the Aircamper Bernard built in 1947 that is located in Fountain, MN.
dwilson
Austin, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Steel sheets |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Tom,
I used 1 each of 0.032, 0.060 and 0.090 18X36 and 1 each 0.125 18X18
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Steel sheets |
Peter from Australia has a comprehensive listing of all the steel parts here
http://www.cpc-world.com See attached listing.
Jack
DSM
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel sheets
Maybe I should just ask:
Does anyone have an itemized list for the steel they ordered for their Piet?
I've found that the most frustrating part in the build so far has been my
"ordering" supplies later than I needed them and then had to slow things
down for the 3 to 4 weeks before they arrived. My next step is steel
fittings--I'd like to place the order now (complete) so I can get to it next
month when the fuselage is done.
Thanks again,
Tom
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Steel sheets |
The 1-inch wide 4130 strips are nice for the 1-inch wide wing fittings. All
you have to do is whack them off at the right length, drill the holes, and
round off the ends a bit.
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From: <tdudley(at)umn.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 7:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steel sheets
>
> Has anyone ordered the Pietenpol steel sheet "kit" from Aircraft Spruce?
> You apparently get three 18 X 72" sheets of 0.63, 0.090, and 0.125 (which
> I assume is for 16, 13, and 10 ga., respectively).
>
> I built the ribs, tail, and now the fuselage with wood from A.S., but I
> never ordered the "kits" because I was worried they wouldn't be complete.
> I guess I want to know if the steel sheet kit supplies enough of the sheet
> stock to complete all the steel fittings for the airplane without having
> to order anything else. If not, what other steel would I need to order?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337635#337635
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | 1st Piet fly-in at Loensloe Field, TN |
It has negative dihedral (not to be confused with anhedral) in the left
wing, but positive dihedral in the right. Had to do that to make it fly
straight.
Just kidding. Darn short focal length lens causes such effects. My
Pietenpol actually has a slight amount of dihedral (about =BD=94 per
side) to
avoid the dreaded =93drooping wing look=94, which I=92ve never actually
noticed on
any one-piece wing Piet. Nor can I say in truth that such a slight
amount
of dihedral does anything for lateral stability. The RV-4 looks like
the
wing is nearly level, when in fact it has quite a bit of dihedral.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1st Piet fly-in at Loensloe Field, TN
In that picture the Piet looks like it has a bit of negative dihedral.
Do
not archive
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From: Jack <mailto:pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 5:18 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 1st Piet fly-in at Loensloe Field, TN
More than twice, for some of us. I=92m an AIDS survivor ' Aviation
Induced
Divorce Syndrome.
Dan it sounds like you just need to =93adjust=94 her mindset. My wife
has come
to love living in our little hangar home at Smith Mountain Lake. She
even
has it set up like a little Italian restaurant
And here you can see the living accomodations Karen is subject to, so
tell
your wife it could be worse, she could be =93Trailer Trash=94
Note the bedsheet hanging on the back wall ' an integral component of
our
=93home theater system=94 (an LCD projector shows movies against that
bedsheet)
As Mike Cuy says, I=92m =93Living the Dream!=94
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: 1st Piet fly-in at Loensloe Field, TN |
I guess most of us just never figured this whole
issue out soon enough! :-)
Mike was going to be married to Karen so his father sat him down for a
little chat.
He said, "Mike, let me tell you something. On my wedding night in our
honeymoon suite, I took off my pants, handed them to your mother, and said,
Here - try these on.'
She did and said, 'These are too big. I can't wear them.'
I replied, 'Exactly. I wear the pants in this family and I always will.'
Ever since that night, we have never had any problems."
"Hmmm," said Mike. He thought that might be a good thing to try.
On his honeymoon, Mike took off his pants and said to Karen, "Here - try
these on."
She tried them on and said, "These are too large. They don't fit me."
Mike said, "Exactly. I wear the pants in this family and I always will. I
don't want you to ever forget that."
Then Karen took off her pants and handed them to Mike. She said, "Here - you
try on mine."
He did and said, "I can't get into your pants."
Karen said, "Exactly. And if you don't change your smart-ass attitude, you
never will."
Clif
> Yeah, that's pretty much what my wife said, too. That, and then she asked,
> "Are these guys married?!??"
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| Subject: | Re: Aviation induced divorce syndrome |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Every fleet MUST have a Stik. Probably the best all around flier out there.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Now Raymond, why do you bother starting your search for a prop without
first looking right here in the Lone Star State with people you know?
;o) I have a new, in the box Tennessee Props 62x34 prop for the Corvair
and it has nobody to dance with right now. I would be happy to loan
you the prop for testing, with the usual "you break it/you bought it"
caveats. You can see a pic of it here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/corvair/corvair.html
The prop size was determined by Tennessee Props after I told them what
it was going on, what was intended to power it, cruise speed, etc.- but
I don't think they had made any props for this engine/airframe combination
before, so it may not be optimum. For testing, though, it should at
least give you another point of reference.
Like my optometrist says, as she clicks different lenses into the
diagnostic apparatus: "is it better with THIS, or with THIS?"
Get with me off-list and we'll arrange for shipping, if you want to try
this prop out. Texans don't let other Texans get outside help ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: 1st Piet fly-in at Loensloe Field, TN |
It's just a hen sheltering it's little white offspring. :-)
Clif
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| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Friends,
I'm on my way tomorrow for a work-related conference in San Antonio.
As it happens, I'll have some free time and a rental car on Saturday.
I'd love to meet some Pietenpol folks, if that might be convenient for
you. Oscar, anyone else -- if you are in the area around San Antonio
and have a few minutes for a visit on Saturday, is this something that
might work for you? Feel free to contact me off-line.
My best, Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
Well as you guys already know -Oscar is a true friend and one of the good guys
for sure. I have been very reluctant to borrow stuff-especially new stuff that
could get dinged up in use. but just to let you know-I did follow up with him
and will likely be testing his prop.and I am seriously considering Dan's recommendation
of making one myself over time. as far as tackling the scimitar design.
I don't know.it looks a fair amount more complicated to get the geometry
right on that one especially without a duplicator and a pattern.Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Raymond, you don't need a duplicator to make a prop. Of the several people here
on this list that have made their own, I don't think any used a duplicating
machine. Buy Dan Helsper's prop carving CD, it will show you everything you need
in order to make a first-rate prop using ordinary power tools (electric chainsaw,
disc sander, etc). It's well worth the asking price.
(not a paid spokesman)
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Ken;
I am usually out at the hangar on Saturday afternoons from noon-5PM or so.
Look up San Geronimo Airpark, 8T8, on Airnav or Google. It's about 10 miles
west of San Antonio on Hwy. 471 just before you get to the Bexar/Medina
county line (where hwy. 211 runs into 471). Call or text me on my cellphone,
(210) 621-4729 or email me at taildrags(at)hotmail.com
It's nothing fancy, but you're welcome to come out and look. Maybe if John
Kuhfahl is around, you can look at his Piet project too. He lives at the
airpark.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Cuttin' metal |
How to cut up all that iron y'all bin buyin recently.
Check out the grinder too. I had one like it for
years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDBrud9RHCw&feature=relmfu
Clif
Keep them lemons comin' ! :-)
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| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Oscar, sounds like fun. I'll look forward to meeting you and possibly
John. I'll give you a call on Saturday a.m. and will plan to drop by
for a bit in the afternoon. If something comes up and you are not
going to be at the airport, feel free to let me know on my cell:
303-746-3313. Cheers, Ken
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:51 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Ken;
>
> I am usually out at the hangar on Saturday afternoons from noon-5PM or so.
> Look up San Geronimo Airpark, 8T8, on Airnav or Google. It's about 10 miles
> west of San Antonio on Hwy. 471 just before you get to the Bexar/Medina
> county line (where hwy. 211 runs into 471). Call or text me on my cellphone,
> (210) 621-4729or email me at taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>
> It's nothing fancy, but you're welcome to come out and look. Maybe if John
> Kuhfahl is around, you can look at his Piet project too. He lives at the
> airpark.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| From: | John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com> |
I should (can) be around also. Let me or Oscar know. Would love to show
you my Piet in progress. John 210 365 0120
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Ken;
>
> I am usually out at the hangar on Saturday afternoons from noon-5PM or so.
> Look up San Geronimo Airpark, 8T8, on Airnav or Google. It's about 10
> miles
> west of San Antonio on Hwy. 471 just before you get to the Bexar/Medina
> county line (where hwy. 211 runs into 471). Call or text me on my
> cellphone,
> (210) 621-4729 or email me at taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>
> It's nothing fancy, but you're welcome to come out and look. Maybe if John
> Kuhfahl is around, you can look at his Piet project too. He lives at the
> airpark.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Trust me, Raymond. With Dan's handy-DANdy guide, it's so easy a caveman could do
it!
Gary
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Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
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Sent: Apr 21, 2011 6:21 AM
Well as you guys already know -Oscar is a true friend and one of the good guys
for sure. I have been very reluctant to borrow stuff-especially new stuff that
could get dinged up in use. but just to let you know-I did follow up with him
and will likely be testing his prop.and I am seriously considering Dan's recommendation
of making one myself over time. as far as tackling the scimitar design.
I don't know.it looks a fair amount more complicated to get the geometry
right on that one especially without a duplicator and a pattern.Raymond
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| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
John, I'll look forward to meeting you and Oscar. I sent Oscar my
cell. It is 303-746-3313. I'll plan to give him a call on Saturday
morning and to come by the airport in the afternoon. It will be fun
to see yours in process and his in flying form. Cheers, Ken
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:34 AM, John Kuhfahl wrote:
> I should (can) be around also. Let me or Oscar know. Would love to show
> you my Piet in progress. John 210 365 0120
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Ken;
>>
>> I am usually out at the hangar on Saturday afternoons from noon-5PM or so.
>> Look up San Geronimo Airpark, 8T8, on Airnav or Google. It's about 10
>> miles
>> west of San Antonio on Hwy. 471 just before you get to the Bexar/Medina
>> county line (where hwy. 211 runs into 471). Call or text me on my
>> cellphone,
>> (210) 621-4729or email me at taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>>
>> It's nothing fancy, but you're welcome to come out and look. Maybe if
>> John
>> Kuhfahl is around, you can look at his Piet project too. He lives at the
>> airpark.
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> San Antonio, TX
>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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> President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
>
>
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Anyone thinking of doing a latex paint job.
My new paint scheme is going to be a "faux clear-doped linen look" with a
trim color edging and nose. The ceconite will be sprayed with a tinted
clear dope, but the trim color (a weird british green) is proving very hard
to match in dope, so I started looking at latex.
I just purchased a new hvlp gun for work and just finished some spray
experiments with latex and I gotta tell you, anybody out there preparing to
do a latex paint job should really consider spraying. I simply am amazed at
how nice the test panels came out. The semi gloss I used really mimics
dope, or one could easily spray a clear coat of dope on top and it would be
difficult to tell the difference.
Now I just take my paint chip to Home Depot, have them put it under the
spectrometer, then hit the auto paint shop for the matching enamel for the
sheet metal and we're good to go!
Secret seems to be diluting with windshield washer fluid for good spraying
qualities (smaller atomization) and floetrol for better flowing qualities
once the paint is on the surface. Mixed solution I used took about 25
seconds to exit a standard viscosity cup. Seemed almost impossible to get a
run on a vertical surface too, which was kinda neat.
Douwe
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Had a nice chat with Bill yesterday, he is doing well. He confirmed his
Piet is for sale and doesn't seem to be in a rush to sell. He is using his
CH 801 more these days and finding the Piet becoming harder to get in and
out of. He plans to be at Brodhead and Oshkosh this year. With no computer
he only heard "rumors a couple of Piets" were hit in Sun n Fun. I filled
him in and mailed some pictures.
Jack
DSM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: spraying latex |
Thats what I did, but I picked out the color at the auto paint store and
had Home Depot match it. The Behr line sprayed on nicely without any
Floetrol
Ben Charvet
On 4/21/2011 1:01 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
>
> Anyone thinking of doing a latex paint job...
>
> My new paint scheme is going to be a "faux clear-doped linen look"
> with a trim color edging and nose. The ceconite will be sprayed with
> a tinted clear dope, but the trim color (a weird british green) is
> proving very hard to match in dope, so I started looking at latex.
>
> I just purchased a new hvlp gun for work and just finished some spray
> experiments with latex and I gotta tell you, anybody out there
> preparing to do a latex paint job should really consider spraying. I
> simply am amazed at how nice the test panels came out. The semi gloss
> I used really mimics dope, or one could easily spray a clear coat of
> dope on top and it would be difficult to tell the difference.
>
> Now I just take my paint chip to Home Depot, have them put it under
> the spectrometer, then hit the auto paint shop for the matching enamel
> for the sheet metal and we're good to go!
>
> Secret seems to be diluting with windshield washer fluid for good
> spraying qualities (smaller atomization) and floetrol for better
> flowing qualities once the paint is on the surface. Mixed solution I
> used took about 25 seconds to exit a standard viscosity cup. Seemed
> almost impossible to get a run on a vertical surface too, which was
> kinda neat.
>
> Douwe
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: spraying latex |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Now I'm a Model A guy too |
I bought this old 1928 Pickup from my next-door neighbor. Thought it
was the perfect accessory for the Piet, even if it does have a
Continental powerplant. The truck as it is right now tops out around 45
mph, so may be a little short of the advertised 40 hp. Lots of
restoration work in its future. Gotta have something to keep me busy
now that the Pietenpol is done.
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Heringhaus" <don.h(at)wcoil.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cuttin' metal |
Or you can tune a chain saw but you cant tune a banjo
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Now I'm a Model A guy too |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Ben you have it all man. The two go together perfectly. Congrats!
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337722#337722
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| From: | Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
I love the spark flying grinder part. What a great shop safety video. "Ki
ds=2C don't try this at home".
Scott Knowlton
> From: cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cuttin' metal
> Date: Wed=2C 20 Apr 2011 23:16:14 -0700
>
>
> How to cut up all that iron y'all bin buyin recently.
> Check out the grinder too. I had one like it for
> years.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDBrud9RHCw&feature=relmfu
>
> Clif
>
> Keep them lemons comin' ! :-)
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cuttin' metal |
What have y'all got against banjos? I don't get near as many complaints
when I play my banjo as I do when I play my bagpipe.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Heringhaus
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cuttin' metal
Or you can tune a chain saw but you cant tune a banjo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
To our Texas Piet friends.any problems with the fires? Hope you are doing
ok!
Jack
DSM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Rudder Cable Routing |
Would like some assistance with the routing of the rudder cables. I assume
they need to go through the back-seat front panel. Then do they go to a
pulley? Any pictures or comments would help.
Thanks!
Jack
DSM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Rudder Cable Routing |
Jack,
I ran mine through pulleys on the back of the rear seat. The angle change
required of the cable is right at the borderline of being too much for a
fairlead, so I decided to add ball bearing pulleys to make the system feel
smoother. Here's a picture:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 8:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Cable Routing
Would like some assistance with the routing of the rudder cables. I assume
they need to go through the back-seat front panel. Then do they go to a
pulley? Any pictures or comments would help.
Thanks!
Jack
DSM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
doing OK here in the panhandle for the time being. we have had numerous fires this
year but none on-going. the big ones down around possum Kingdom are wild.
they have a lot more fuel load down there. cedar trees.brush etc. I guess.that's
200 plus miles away.at one time several days ago there were 14 separate fires
I was told. some of our volunteer fire crews went down last weekend and helped
and probably will again.I think they had some moisture in the area lately
so maybe it's getting better. I missed the news today. supposed to have gusts
to 50 and 60 here again monday. it's been a dry windy spring Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337756#337756
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Ken;
When my wife and I visited the maritime museum in San Diego, one of the highlights
was being able to tour the inside of a cold war-era Russian sub, the B-39. As
you
walk out the quay to where the sub is moored, there is a plywood bulkhead across
the
walkway and you can't get past it without going through a cutout in the bulkhead.
the instructions say that if you can't get through the opening, you can't enter
the
sub because you won't be able to traverse the interior of it through the watertight
hatches and it's so confined inside that tours have to go just one way, bow to
stern,
with no turning back around.
I think I'll make a plywood cutout to a certain size and shape and if visitors
to my
hangar can get through the cutout, I'll be able to take them up in my airplane.
I won't ask if you think you could make it through the cutout. We'll know soon
enough!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cuttin' metal |
On 04/21/2011 08:50 PM, Billy McCaskill wrote:
> "Bluegrass bands typically consist of 4 or 5 very talented musicians, and a banjo
player."
I always kind of liked that instrument. However, many years ago a player
who had recently toured Japan told my high school class that people
there had always tee-heed and looked slightly embarrassed after asking
what instrument he played. Seems "benjo" is Japanese for toilet.
Owen
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Cuttin' metal |
A good point to bring up here is that he's an old
guy with all his fingers. I'm an 'old guy with all his
fingers' ! I do that stuff. So why do we have all our
fingers? Because we pay attention. When I
operate such a tool my eyes never leave that
point of contact between blade and material AND
where my fingers are.
I don't care how much 'safety' stuff you have on a
tool, your attention wanders and body bits are gone.
I am NOT saying that you should not have and use
safety equipment! Just don't replace your brains with
it.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Knowlton
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 2:30 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cuttin' metal
I love the spark flying grinder part. What a great shop safety video.
"Kids, don't try this at home".
Scott Knowlton
> From: cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cuttin' metal
> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:16:14 -0700
>
>
> How to cut up all that iron y'all bin buyin recently.
> Check out the grinder too. I had one like it for
> years.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDBrud9RHCw&feature=relmfu
>
> Clif
>
> Keep them lemons
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>
>
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Cuttin' metal |
It's alright Jack. They just pick on us cause they can't
do it. :-)
Guitar pickers get upset when they can't keep up
with that old time clawhammer. :-)
Clif
What have y'all got against banjos? I don't get near as many
complaints when I play my banjo as I do when I play my bagpipe.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Now I'm a Model A guy too |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Wow.... that is a scene of real beauty...!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337778#337778
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Cuttin' metal |
Cliff, I understand that when working with all kinds of powersaws, it is very important
to set your beer so that you don't have to reach across the blade to
get a drink. ALWAYS set your beer on the same side as your dominant hand
The above statement was from one of my 9 fingered NCOs who lost a finger to a table
saw. He was still funny.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Date: Friday, April 22, 2011 6:15
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cuttin' metal
> A good point to bring up here is that he's an old
> guy with all his fingers. I'm an 'old guy with all his
> fingers' ! I do that stuff. So why do we have all our
> fingers? Because we pay attention. When I
> operate such a tool my eyes never leave that
> point of contact between blade and material AND
> where my fingers are.
>
> I don't care how much 'safety' stuff you have on a
> tool, your attention wanders and body bits are gone.
>
> I am NOT saying that you should not have and use
> safety equipment! Just don't replace your brains with
> it.
>
> Clif
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Knowlton
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 2:30 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cuttin' metal
>
>
> I love the spark flying grinder part. What a great shop safety
> video. "Kids, don't try this at home".
>
> Scott Knowlton
>
> > From: cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cuttin' metal
> > Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:16:14 -0700
> >
> >
> > How to cut up all that iron y'all bin buyin recently.
> > Check out the grinder too. I had one like it for
> > years.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDBrud9RHCw&feature=relmfu
> >
> > Clif
> >
> > Keep them lemons c=====================
> >===================
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> 04/21/11
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
Oscar and Mike, Looks like I will be headed back to San Antonio this fall, when
my deployment is over. Back to Fort Sam and a good 5 day a week job. I will email
y'all later. I will be looking for a hanger for my vtail. Oh yeah and a home
for the family.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Now I'm a Model A guy too |
Ben they sure do look good together !!!- Nice find !
--- On Thu, 4/21/11, Ben Charvet wrote:
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Now I'm a Model A guy too
Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 1:16 PM
I bought this old 1928 Pickup from my next-door neighbor.- Thought it was
the perfect accessory for the Piet, even if it does have a Continental pow
erplant.- The truck as it is right now tops out around 45 mph, so may be
a little short of the advertised 40 hp.- Lots of restoration work in its
future.- Gotta have something to keep me busy now that the Pietenpol is d
one.
-- Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Airframe for sale |
| From: | "olflyr45" <wyliejohnson45(at)gmail.com> |
Pietenpol completed in 2002. Has flown about 200 hrs. For sale less firewall
forward. $5,000. Pictures available.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337790#337790
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Airframe for sale |
Where is it located? Hangared or stored outside?
In a message dated 4/22/2011 8:44:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
wyliejohnson45(at)gmail.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "olflyr45"
Pietenpol completed in 2002. Has flown about 200 hrs. For sale less
firewall forward. $5,000. Pictures available.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337790#337790
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| Subject: | Re: spraying latex |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Same experience I had, spraying ended up being easier than brushing.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Douwe Blumberg <
douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> wrote:
> Anyone thinking of doing a latex paint job=85
>
>
> My new paint scheme is going to be a =93faux clear-doped linen look=94 wi
th a
> trim color edging and nose. The ceconite will be sprayed with a tinted
> clear dope, but the trim color (a weird british green) is proving very ha
rd
> to match in dope, so I started looking at latex.
>
>
> I just purchased a new hvlp gun for work and just finished some spray
> experiments with latex and I gotta tell you, anybody out there preparing
to
> do a latex paint job should really consider spraying. I simply am amazed
at
> how nice the test panels came out. The semi gloss I used really mimics
> dope, or one could easily spray a clear coat of dope on top and it would
be
> difficult to tell the difference.
>
>
> Now I just take my paint chip to Home Depot, have them put it under the
> spectrometer, then hit the auto paint shop for the matching enamel for th
e
> sheet metal and we=92re good to go!
>
>
> Secret seems to be diluting with windshield washer fluid for good sprayin
g
> qualities (smaller atomization) and floetrol for better flowing qualities
> once the paint is on the surface. Mixed solution I used took about 25
> seconds to exit a standard viscosity cup. Seemed almost impossible to ge
t a
> run on a vertical surface too, which was kinda neat.
>
>
> Douwe
>
> *
>
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>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | Mike Hardaway <bkemike(at)gmail.com> |
Oscar,
If you make it as narrow as you are, you're going to fly solo a lot.
Mike Hardaway
Sent from iPlop
On Apr 21, 2011, at 7:10 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> [snip]
>
> I think I'll make a plywood cutout to a certain size and shape and if visitors
to my
> hangar can get through the cutout, I'll be able to take them up in my airplane.
>
> I won't ask if you think you could make it through the cutout. We'll know soon
enough!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Rudder Cable Routing |
Jack,
This is all I could pull up on my work computer. I don't recall why I
decided to use two rear pulleys, but I'm sure it was for a good reason! Let
me know if you want more pics.
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Cable Routing
Would like some assistance with the routing of the rudder cables. I assume
they need to go through the back-seat front panel. Then do they go to a
pulley? Any pictures or comments would help.
Thanks!
Jack
DSM
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cuttin' metal |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Actually the banjo has an interesting history. One of the local Maine guys did
a monograph published by the Smithsonian (?) on the banjo and spoke at a small
gathering last summer. He had an interesting assortment of instruments, some
dating to the mid 1800's that showed the instrument's evolution. He used the
earlier style of strumming rather than finger picking.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337809#337809
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| Subject: | Re: Airframe for sale |
| From: | "olflyr45" <wyliejohnson45(at)gmail.com> |
Located in Knoxville TN. In a closed hangar until last winter. In a shade port
since then.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337822#337822
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
John, looks like I am going to be heading back to Fort Sam Houston. I will finish
the deployment this fall and would love to take a look at your next pile of
junk. LOL.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Routing |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
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| From: | John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com> |
Steve,
where the heck are you? I am so computer/worldtime shot. BTW thanks for
all you do--saving our asses etc. pls call when you are home. we need to
talk piets'n 'stuff John
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM <
steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> wrote:
>
>
> John, looks like I am going to be heading back to Fort Sam Houston. I will
> finish the deployment this fall and would love to take a look at your next
> pile of junk. LOL.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Cuttin' metal |
Woo! Hoo! We need to start up a band!
Or at least join up here;
http://flyingmusicians.org/members/news.php
If they'll let us, that is. :-) :-)
Clif
The only musicians who get more grief than banjo pickers & bagpipers
are Bhodran players (if you don't know what that is look it up). Guess
what I do.
Kip Gardner
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Cuttin' metal |
Clawhammer, or frailling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKK_n4Ac0Bk&feature=related
Clif
Just think. There you are at some flyin, just
sittin there in front of your 1929 airplane in
your leather flyin helmet, goggles pushed up,
white silk scarf flappin in the breeze, big silly
grin on your face, fraillin away on that old 1929
Washburn, buddy Jack wailin' away on his
bodran........... I'm just sayin......
----- Original Message -----
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 8:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cuttin' metal
>
>
> Actually the banjo has an interesting history. One of the local Maine
> guys did a monograph published by the Smithsonian (?) on the banjo and
> spoke at a small gathering last summer. He had an interesting assortment
> of instruments, some dating to the mid 1800's that showed the instrument's
> evolution. He used the earlier style of strumming rather than finger
> picking.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337809#337809
>
>
> -----
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sterling's Piet project for sale in TX |
Some of you may remember our friend Sterling, who came up with the
concept of the TACOs (Texas Air Camper Organization). He has developed
melanoma and recent tests have indicated that it's going to progress
unabated, so he's preparing to get his things in order so as not to leave
his wife with a bunch of guy stuff to figure out and dispose of when he goes.
Here's the email straight from his keyboard, and he is not one to pull
punches or fool around and neither am I, so here's the deal:
=====================
This is the link to the video I just uploaded to my YouTube account. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwbx3Q8cv7c
The video is really lousy and not typical of my work, but I am
in a rush to get a lot of things done before my surgery on 4-27. I hope
to get my auction on Ebay late this weekend.
I very much appreciate your helping me get word out on this. Life has
gotten very complicated in the last few weeks and I have so much to do
as I prepare for the big change that is about to happen. I'm in a
"Muy Pronto" mindset!
If you will be so kind to suggest that I'm selling this due to health reasons
and also mention I might not be able to answer questions off of my YouTube
account or through Ebay due to the surgery and treatment after. However I'll
do my best to answer if I can. The surgeon mentioned after surgery the need
to stay at home and out of dusty areas because of the risk of infection
(and maybe falling on my fat bohunkus).
I'm planning of putting the A-80 engine on a separate auction soon. It will
come with an aluminum prop... forgot what brand it is, but it is in storage
in my barn. Also, my Cessna 150/150 will be for sale soon. Not sure if I'll
put that on Barnstormers or where.
I do encourage "pre-bid" inspections and I would do my best to accommodate
anyone who would like to see this in person, at the airport in Ballinger, Texas
(Bruce Field, E30)
Not shown in my video are plexiglass windshields for the passenger and pilot.
I have these as they were cut by the original builder. I also have the horizontal
stabilizer I forgot to show in the video.
Thanks again so much for helping "communicate" this. I am just way out of the
loop with people these days.
Sterling
===================
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "VanDy" <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
I will be in Philly May 2nd thru the 6th, just found out. I will have a rental
car and be available most evenings, or can make myself available in the evening,
anybody wanna talk pietenpols?? :)
--------
www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337878#337878
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
I thought the reason for brushing was to work the water base paint into
the
fabric so it will mechanically attach its self to the fabric. I seem to
recall the chemical based paints chemically bond to the fabric. True
False?
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spraying latex
Douwe,
Thanks for the info! I'll be using Benjamin Moore's Aura brand (0 VOC),
but
haven't decided on application.
Gary Boothe
Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE
_____
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 13:01:55 -0400
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: spraying latex
Anyone thinking of doing a latex paint = job=85
My new paint scheme is going to be a =93faux = clear-doped linen
look=94 with a
trim color edging and nose. The ceconite = will be sprayed with a
tinted
clear dope, but the trim color (a weird british = green) is proving
very
hard to match in dope, so I started looking at = latex.
I just purchased a new hvlp gun for work and just = finished some
spray
experiments with latex and I gotta tell you, anybody out = there
preparing
to do a latex paint job should really consider spraying. = I simply
am
amazed at how nice the test panels came out. The semi gloss I used =
really
mimics dope, or one could easily spray a clear coat of dope on top and
= it
would be difficult to tell the difference.
Now I just take my paint chip to Home Depot, have = them put it under
the
spectrometer, then hit the auto paint shop for the matching = enamel
for the
sheet metal and we=92re good to = go!
Secret seems to be diluting with windshield washer = fluid for good
spraying
qualities (smaller atomization) and floetrol for better = flowing
qualities
once the paint is on the surface. Mixed solution I used = took about
25
seconds to exit a standard viscosity cup. Seemed almost = impossible
to get
a run on a vertical surface too, which was kinda = neat.
Douwe
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| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Hey Matt-
I'd love to but won't be back from Germany 'til the 9th.
I'm in Downingtown- about 30-40 outside of Philly.
do let me know if ya get out here again tho!
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337893#337893
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
It would just be wrong to be in the Philly area and NOT go pester Recine.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: VanDy <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Apr 22, 2011 11:34 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
>
>
>I will be in Philly May 2nd thru the 6th, just found out. I will have a rental
car and be available most evenings, or can make myself available in the evening,
anybody wanna talk pietenpols?? :)
>
>--------
>www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
>
>almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337878#337878
>
>
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| From: | <r.r.hall(at)cox.net> |
Only the first coats need to be brushed so they adher mechanically to the f
abric. I do not know how many people use latex for the first coat and how m
any use a polyfiber or dope peoduct for the first coats. Poyfiber and nitra
te dope need to mechanically adhere to the fabric and I do not think you ca
n find something that adhers well to polyester fabric chemically without we
akening it. There are other systems that may, I know nothing about stewart
system or Hipec.
Rodney Hall
---- Chris wrote:
> I thought=C2-the reason
for brushing was to work the water base paint into the fabric so it will m
echanically attach its self to the fabric.=C2- I seem to=C2-recall the
chemical based paints chemically bond to the fabric. True False?=C2-Chris
Sacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | latex bonding to fabric |
You're right Chris, If latex is your first coat, the "accepted" practice
seems to be brushing it on with a foam brush ensuring it gets squeezed into
and encapsulates the weave to form a mechanical bond. Consecutive coats
will adhere to the first coat, so spraying is fine.
My first coat was nitrate dope, which the latex sticks to well.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
My intent is to brush a primer coat, then spray=85.but I do like that
brushed
look on The Bell Pietenpol!
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 9:41 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: spraying latex
I thought the reason for brushing was to work the water base paint into
the
fabric so it will mechanically attach its self to the fabric. I seem to
recall the chemical based paints chemically bond to the fabric. True
False?
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spraying latex
Douwe,
Thanks for the info! I'll be using Benjamin Moore's Aura brand (0 VOC),
but
haven't decided on application.
Gary Boothe
Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE
_____
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 13:01:55 -0400
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: spraying latex
Anyone thinking of doing a latex paint = job=85
My new paint scheme is going to be a =93faux = clear-doped linen
look=94 with a
trim color edging and nose. The ceconite = will be sprayed with a
tinted
clear dope, but the trim color (a weird british = green) is proving
very
hard to match in dope, so I started looking at = latex.
I just purchased a new hvlp gun for work and just = finished some
spray
experiments with latex and I gotta tell you, anybody out = there
preparing
to do a latex paint job should really consider spraying. = I simply
am
amazed at how nice the test panels came out. The semi gloss I used =
really
mimics dope, or one could easily spray a clear coat of dope on top and
= it
would be difficult to tell the difference.
Now I just take my paint chip to Home Depot, have = them put it under
the
spectrometer, then hit the auto paint shop for the matching = enamel
for the
sheet metal and we=92re good to = go!
Secret seems to be diluting with windshield washer = fluid for good
spraying
qualities (smaller atomization) and floetrol for better = flowing
qualities
once the paint is on the surface. Mixed solution I used = took about
25
seconds to exit a standard viscosity cup. Seemed almost = impossible
to get
a run on a vertical surface too, which was kinda = neat.
Douwe
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
John, I am in lovely Basra, Iraq. I whould be in the SA area in mid fall. I will
keep y'all posted.
There is one wild card. I have had my name proposed for a position in the Czech
Republic. My real boss and I are discussing it. She is not crazy about such a
sudden move to europe. I guess I could figure out how to fly the Vtail there.
I am one of 4 who's names have been proposed.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com>
Date: Friday, April 22, 2011 23:17
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: San Antonio
> Steve,
> where the heck are you? I am so computer/worldtime shot. BTW
> thanks for
> all you do--saving our asses etc. pls call when you are home. we
> need to
> talk piets'n 'stuff John
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG
> FORSCOM wrote:
>
> > <
> >
> > John, looks like I am going to be heading back to Fort Sam Houston. I will
> > finish the deployment this fall and would love to take a look at your next
> > pile of junk. LOL.
> >
> > Blue Skies,
> > Steve D
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
> President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| From: | "Amsafetyc(at)gmail.com" <amsafetyc(at)gmail.com> |
Iam in town and would welcome a visit
John Recine
215 208 8309
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 23, 2011 13:32:44 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
It would just be wrong to be in the Philly area and NOT go pester
Recine.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: VanDy <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Apr 22, 2011 11:34 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
>
>
>I will be in Philly May 2nd thru the 6th, just found out. I will have a
rental car and be available most evenings, or can make myself available in
the evening, anybody wanna talk pietenpols?? :)
>
>--------
>www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
>
>almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337878#337878
>
>
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| From: | "Mark M" <mmcfi(at)juno.com> |
There was a discussion about cutting your own cap strips a little while ago and
I am a little confused. I have read the circular on selecting wood and and now
totally lost. My vocabulary is limited to whatyamacallits and thingamajigs.
Reason being,I lucked in to about 20 BF of spruce for $10.00 and was going to
get started while waiting for my order to arrive. After I cut my capstrips
which way should the grain be running. Please check the drawing and let me know.
Thanks
Mark
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337919#337919
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| Subject: | Another rib question |
| From: | "Mark M" <mmcfi(at)juno.com> |
I am plotting out the 612 rib and while looking at various photos of previous ribs
made i see that some have vertical supports along the spars and some do not.
The Pietenpol original wing plan does not have them, with the attachment point
being nails along the top and bottom of the spar. Does having them make
installation easier later on? I would like to not have the extra pound or two
of wood if they are not necessary. Just trying to see the logic in the various
methods.
Thanks
Mark
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337921#337921
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib Questions |
On 4/23/2011 1:03 PM, Mark M wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mark M"
>
> There was a discussion about cutting your own cap strips a little while ago and
I am a little confused. I have read the circular on selecting wood and and
now totally lost. My vocabulary is limited to whatyamacallits and thingamajigs.
Reason being,I lucked in to about 20 BF of spruce for $10.00 and was going
to get started while waiting for my order to arrive. After I cut my capstrips
which way should the grain be running. Please check the drawing and let me
know.
> Thanks
> Mark
>
> Choice B is the preferred orientation. I made all my ribs from Douglas Fir bought
at Lowe's. I could only find one or two boards at a time that had a tight
enough grain, but I'd plane them down to 1/2 inch and then rip 1/4 inch strips
on the table saw. Most lumber yard boards come with the grain orientation
as in you diagram A
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Re: latex bonding to fabric |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
I picked up some Latex today- best one Sherwin Williams carries.I'm going to cover
my wings and tail before they get any oil and such hopefully. I'm not happy
flying them just with Polyspray over the long haul.I am planning on trying to
use foam brush and roller. I'm looking for experience to guide me with how
much to thin? I have some flow control agent. and if necessary a gallon of bug
juice- windshield washer fluid. but the guy at the store says all it takes is
a few ounces of the floetrol type stuff. (it's a different brand but he says
it's just as good) I know I'll need to re-calculate the W&B afterward but I can
deal with that.if any of you went through the finish with roller and foam brush
and wouldn't mind I'd sure like to hear about your results.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337943#337943
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: latex bonding to fabric |
I would not use a roller.- A foam brush would work well.- The brush wil
l help insure that it gets brushed into the fabric, the roller could leave
voids, adheasion problems, and probably won't look as good as a brush.- I
'd recomend at least-2 cross coats (4 total coats) 90 degrees to each oth
er, 1 span wise, next 1 chord wise, span wise, chord wise.- Then judge if
you need any more coats.-Experiment and see what works for you.
-
Shad
--- On Sat, 4/23/11, skellytown flyer wrote:
From: skellytown flyer <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex bonding to fabric
Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 5:11 PM
.com>
I picked up some Latex today- best one Sherwin Williams carries.I'm going t
o cover my wings and tail before they get any oil and such hopefully. I'm n
ot happy flying them just with Polyspray over the long haul.I am planning o
n trying to- use foam brush and roller. I'm looking for experience to gui
de me with how much to thin? I have some flow control agent. and if necessa
ry a gallon of bug juice- windshield washer fluid. but the guy at the store
says all it takes is a few ounces of the floetrol type stuff. (it's a diff
erent brand but he says it's just as good) I know I'll need to re-calculate
the W&B afterward but I can deal with that.if any of you went through the
finish with roller and foam brush and wouldn't mind I'd sure like to hear a
bout your results.Raymond
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337943#337943
le, List Admin.
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| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: latex bonding to fabric |
I can state from seeing up close & personal that Shad's brushed-on
paint job looks real fine - kind of old-timey, but do you really want
super-slick on a plane like this?
Kip Gardner
On Apr 23, 2011, at 5:52 PM, shad bell wrote:
> I would not use a roller. A foam brush would work well. The brush
> will help insure that it gets brushed into the fabric, the roller
> could leave voids, adheasion problems, and probably won't look as
> good as a brush. I'd recomend at least 2 cross coats (4 total
> coats) 90 degrees to each other, 1 span wise, next 1 chord wise,
> span wise, chord wise. Then judge if you need any more coats.
> Experiment and see what works for you.
>
> Shad
>
> --- On Sat, 4/23/11, skellytown flyer wrote:
>
> From: skellytown flyer <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex bonding to fabric
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 5:11 PM
>
> >
>
> I picked up some Latex today- best one Sherwin Williams carries.I'm
> going to cover my wings and tail before they get any oil and such
> hopefully. I'm not happy flying them just with Polyspray over the
> long haul.I am planning on trying to use foam brush and roller. I'm
> looking for experience to guide me with how much to thin? I have
> some flow control agent. and if necessary a gallon of bug juice-
> windshield washer fluid. but the guy at the store says all it takes
> is a few ounces of the floetrol type stuff. (it's a different brand
> but he says it's just as good) I know I'll need to re-calculate the
> W&B afterward but I can deal with that.if any of you went through
> the finish with roller and foam brush and wouldn't mind I'd sure
> like to hear about your results.Raymond
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.comt; http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: latex bonding to fabric |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
I'll bet it does. I'm not looking for a super slick wet look. I got semi-gloss.
if it will just lay down smooth I'll be happy. I have already got it in Stitts
through Poly-spray and flying it some. always did plan to do a finish coat on
the wings and tail.the fuse is Red now. but will do a cream-white flying surfaces.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337948#337948
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| Subject: | Re: Another rib question |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Mark,
I am a new guy, like you , and am just getting started on my ribs. I have chosen
the Riblett 613.5 airfoil. My apologies to all of the traditionalists, but I
think that Lowell Frank and others have done a good job of convincing me to go
with a Riblett airfoil. The original wing ribs did not have the brace behind
the main spar and the additional vertical brace in front of the rear spar, but
it seems that a lot of people have introduced them to the design as an improvement.
Once you add the bracing/cables, it makes for a good design addition.
I have added it, and you might consider doing so as well.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337952#337952
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: latex bonding to fabric |
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: latex bonding to fabric |
Sorry about the large email before. I tried to attach a picture (79k) but I guess
I don't know how.
Malcolm Morrison
----- Original Message -----
From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 5:11:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex bonding to fabric
I picked up some Latex today- best one Sherwin Williams carries.I'm going to cover
my wings and tail before they get any oil and such hopefully. I'm not happy
flying them just with Polyspray over the long haul.I am planning on trying to
use foam brush and roller. I'm looking for experience to guide me with how much
to thin? I have some flow control agent. and if necessary a gallon of bug
juice- windshield washer fluid. but the guy at the store says all it takes is
a few ounces of the floetrol type stuff. (it's a different brand but he says it's
just as good) I know I'll need to re-calculate the W&B afterward but I can
deal with that.if any of you went through the finish with roller and foam brush
and wouldn't mind I'd sure like to hear about your results.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337943#337943
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| From: | Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
John,
I saved your nuber in my phone, and will give you a call when I get out
there and figure out my shcedule! my schedule will be pretty crazy, but I
will do my best to clear an evening! My cell is 513-668-2103 it wont be on
until at least this wednesday, my old i phone died, but a new one on the
way!
Jim,
any reccomendations on how to properly pester? I am all ears!!
On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Amsafetyc(at)gmail.com
wrote:
> Iam in town and would welcome a visit
>
> John Recine
>
> 215 208 8309 <2152088309>
>
> *Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless*
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> *From: *Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>*
> To: *pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *
> Sent: *Sat, Apr 23, 2011 13:32:44 GMT+00:00*
> Subject: *Re: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
>
>
> It would just be wrong to be in the Philly area and NOT go pester
> Recine.....
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: VanDy
> >Sent: Apr 22, 2011 11:34 PM
> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
> >
> >
> >I will be in Philly May 2nd thru the 6th, just found out. I will have a
> rental car and be available most evenings, or can make myself available in
> the evening, anybody wanna talk pietenpols?? :)
> >
> >--------
> >www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
> >
> >almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337878#337878
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
hahahaha....well, being a pest comes SO naturally to me I'm not sure I can tell
anyone HOW to do it! Most of the time even I don't know what I did to be so
annoying!! :-)
I can tell you a visit to John's casa will be a treat. I wish I was going with
you so I could see his new struts, etc. The pictures of those laminations look
great. I'll bet they're even better in person. Be sure to take a camera.
jim in WET Pryor, OK....
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew VanDervort
Sent: Apr 23, 2011 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
John,
I saved your nuber in my phone, and will give you a call when I get out there
and figure out my shcedule! my schedule will be pretty crazy, but I will do
my best to clear an evening! My cell is 513-668-2103 it wont be on until at
least this wednesday, my old i phone died, but a new one on the way!
Jim,
any reccomendations on how to properly pester? I am all ears!!
On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Amsafetyc(at)gmail.com wrote:
Iam in town and would welcome a visit
John Recine
215 208 8309
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 23, 2011 13:32:44 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
It would just be wrong to be in the Philly area and NOT go pester Recine.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: VanDy
>Sent: Apr 22, 2011 11:34 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
>
>
>I will be in Philly May 2nd thru the 6th, just found out. I will have a rental
car and be available most evenings, or can make myself available in the evening,
anybody wanna talk pietenpols?? :)
>
>--------
>www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
>
>almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337878#337878
>
>
>avigator to browse
com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
et="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
-Matt Dralle, List Admin.
===
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: latex bonding to fabric |
OK, I have added a new web page to my site with pictures of the latex paint on
my Tornado. Again, I used Sherwin Williams on the Tornado and Behr in the Pietenpol.
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Tornado.htm
Malcolm
----- Original Message -----
From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:14:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex bonding to fabric
Sorry about the large email before. I tried to attach a picture (79k) but I guess
I don't know how.
Malcolm Morrison
----- Original Message -----
From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 5:11:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex bonding to fabric
I picked up some Latex today- best one Sherwin Williams carries.I'm going to cover
my wings and tail before they get any oil and such hopefully. I'm not happy
flying them just with Polyspray over the long haul.I am planning on trying to
use foam brush and roller. I'm looking for experience to guide me with how much
to thin? I have some flow control agent. and if necessary a gallon of bug
juice- windshield washer fluid. but the guy at the store says all it takes is
a few ounces of the floetrol type stuff. (it's a different brand but he says it's
just as good) I know I'll need to re-calculate the W&B afterward but I can
deal with that.if any of you went through the finish with roller and foam brush
and wouldn't mind I'd sure like to hear about your results.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337943#337943< &nbs========================
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Matthew,
Let me help! Here is a picture of Jim properly pestering a Piet builder
(Me!). What you see in the picture is a guy who just appears
happy....but that big grin was just after he said, "If you want me to
get out of your cockpit, you'll have to bribe me with food and beer."
Well, my wife is a good cook, and I think the lasagna would have done
it, but the beer is really what got him out!
Do try to properly pester while on your Piet visits.
Gary Boothe
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Markle
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
hahahaha....well, being a pest comes SO naturally to me I'm not sure I
can tell anyone HOW to do it! Most of the time even I don't know what I
did to be so annoying!! :-)
I can tell you a visit to John's casa will be a treat. I wish I was
going with you so I could see his new struts, etc. The pictures of
those laminations look great. I'll bet they're even better in person.
Be sure to take a camera.
jim in WET Pryor, OK....
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew VanDervort
Sent: Apr 23, 2011 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
John,
I saved your nuber in my phone, and will give you a call when I get
out there and figure out my shcedule! my schedule will be pretty
crazy, but I will do my best to clear an evening! My cell is
513-668-2103 it wont be on until at least this wednesday, my old i
phone died, but a new one on the way!
Jim,
any reccomendations on how to properly pester? I am all ears!!
On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Amsafetyc(at)gmail.com
wrote:
Iam in town and would welcome a visit
John Recine
215 208 8309
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 23, 2011 13:32:44 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
It would just be wrong to be in the Philly area and NOT go pester
Recine.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: VanDy
>Sent: Apr 22, 2011 11:34 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
>
>
>I will be in Philly May 2nd thru the 6th, just found out. I will have
a rental car and be available most evenings, or can make myself
available in the evening, anybody wanna talk pietenpols?? :)
>
>--------
>www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
>
>almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS
cable
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337878#337878
>
>
>avigator to browse
com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
et="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
-Matt Dralle, List Admin.
===
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
Ha! Well, the food (ok AND the beer!) was easily worth getting my fat self going
for! In fact, I may have a Sacramento trip coming up in a few weeks....maybe
it's time for an update on your progress?
I hope so....
>From rainy rainy rainy Oklahoma...
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
>Sent: Apr 24, 2011 8:22 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
>
>Matthew,
>
>Let me help! Here is a picture of Jim properly pestering a Piet builder (Me!).
What you see in the picture is a guy who just appears happy....but that big grin
was just after he said, "If you want me to get out of your cockpit, you'll
have to bribe me with food and beer."
>
>Well, my wife is a good cook, and I think the lasagna would have done it, but
the beer is really what got him out!
>
>Do try to properly pester while on your Piet visits.
>
>Gary Boothe
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
>Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 7:43 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
>
>
>hahahaha....well, being a pest comes SO naturally to me I'm not sure I can tell
anyone HOW to do it! Most of the time even I don't know what I did to be so
annoying!! :-)
>
>I can tell you a visit to John's casa will be a treat. I wish I was going with
you so I could see his new struts, etc. The pictures of those laminations look
great. I'll bet they're even better in person. Be sure to take a camera.
>
>jim in WET Pryor, OK....
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>From: Matthew VanDervort
>
>Sent: Apr 23, 2011 10:57 PM
>
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
>
>
>John,
> I saved your nuber in my phone, and will give you a call when I get out there
and figure out my shcedule! my schedule will be pretty crazy, but I will do
my best to clear an evening! My cell is 513-668-2103 it wont be on until at
least this wednesday, my old i phone died, but a new one on the way!
>
>
>Jim,
> any reccomendations on how to properly pester? I am all ears!!
>
>
>On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Amsafetyc(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
>Iam in town and would welcome a visit
>
>
>John Recine
>
>215 208 8309
>
>Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
>
>
>-----Original message-----
>From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Sat, Apr 23, 2011 13:32:44 GMT+00:00
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
>
>
>It would just be wrong to be in the Philly area and NOT go pester Recine.....
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: VanDy
>
>>Sent: Apr 22, 2011 11:34 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: PHL May 2-6
>>
>
>>
>>I will be in Philly May 2nd thru the 6th, just found out. I will have a rental
car and be available most evenings, or can make myself available in the evening,
anybody wanna talk pietenpols?? :)
>
>>
>>--------
>>www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
>>
>>almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337878#337878
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>avigator to browse
>
>com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>
>et="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>
> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>
>===
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Routing |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Jack,
I didn't think it was necessary to add the pulley. I took a small piece of
phenolic, drilled a hole in it, and glued it to the back side of the seat,
then ran the rudder cable through. There seems to be enough slack in that s
ystem for it to work fine on mine. Very smooth operation with no effort to
move the rudder.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 21, 2011 7:37 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Cable Routing
Would like some assistance with the routing of the rudder cables. I assume
they need to go through the back-seat front panel. Then do they go to a p
ulley? Any pictures or comments would help.
Thanks!
Jack
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Routing |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
I ran my rudder cable through red oak blocks and like Dan's I feel no resistance
from the setup. I just drilled a 1/4" hole in the block.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338047#338047
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Jim,
You're not helping to dispel those nasty rumors about things disappearing when
you visit. The appropriate word is bring, not take. :)
Jim wrote:
> ... Be sure to take a camera...
>
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338050#338050
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | latex bonding to fabric |
Holy smokes=2C Malcolm-! Your projects (the Titan and the Piet) look fabul
ous!
Very interesting details on how you did the finish and paint.
I'll refrain from mentioning your folding wing and V-struts lest the purist
s pounce on you =3Bo)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio=2C TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
As promised, Ken Bickers showed up at my hangar on Saturday afternoon
with his wife in tow. What nice folks-! Ken was able to look over my
Piet as well as visiting John's hangar and his Piet, so hopefully he
got another nudge to "keep on building". The wind was pretty blustery
for flying, so I didn't bother but it was OK because we got to talk
and ask/answer questions, compare notes.
Hangar visits sure can be fun, informative, and inspirational.
Hey Ken: in hindsight, I should have told you about Rudy's BBQ over on
Hwy. 1604. They have great BBQ and the place where I sent you, Stump's,
probably just had burgers and the like. Next time ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
See? I told you I didn't even KNOW how I get myself in so much trouble!!!
Thanks Bill, I'll remember that....hahahahaha
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
>Sent: Apr 25, 2011 7:27 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: PHL May 2-6
>
>
>Jim,
>You're not helping to dispel those nasty rumors about things disappearing when
you visit. The appropriate word is bring, not take. :)
>
>Jim wrote:
>
>> ... Be sure to take a camera...
>>
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338050#338050
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: hangar visit |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Oscar,
Laura and I enjoyed meeting you and John on Saturday. We commented
later that Pietenpol folks are always friendly and welcoming. And
every Pietenpol -- even when the plans have been followed meticulously
-- seems to exude individuality.
We actually drove on to Bandera for a visit and some BBQ. What a
place. Horses were tied up outside at least two of the bars. And the
BBQ. It would cure a vegetarian.
If anyone is coming through northern Colorado on the way to Estes
Park, be sure to drop a note. I'd be happy to open my hangar to show
my Pietenpol project.
Thanks again to both you and John for the hospitality.
Cheers, Ken
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> As promised, Ken Bickers showed up at my hangar on Saturday afternoon
> with his wife in tow. What nice folks-! Ken was able to look over my
> Piet as well as visiting John's hangar and his Piet, so hopefully he
> got another nudge to "keep on building". The wind was pretty blustery
> for flying, so I didn't bother but it was OK because we got to talk
> and ask/answer questions, compare notes.
>
> Hangar visits sure can be fun, informative, and inspirational.
>
> Hey Ken: in hindsight, I should have told you about Rudy's BBQ over on
> Hwy. 1604. They have great BBQ and the place where I sent you, Stump's,
> probably just had burgers and the like. Next time ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Ohio Piet fly-in june 18 th |
Just trying to see if anyone is planning on attending our little pietenpol
fly-in here in Centerburg Ohio this june.- I will send out a few more rem
inders, but I need to get a rough head count so I can plan the food, drinks
.- We have a new identifier now it is no longer OH71, it is now 6CM, alth
ough it was OH0 for 2-3 weeks so it might still be that on a new sectional,
that is oscar-hotel-zero (the faa changed it because it is confusing to ha
ve an oscar and zero like that.)- So any of you Ohio area guys let me kno
w if you can make it, or if you can't.
-
Shad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Ohio Piet fly-in june 18 th |
Shad, Ed and I are still planning on your fly in, weather permitting.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
Sent: 4/25/2011 11:12:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Piet fly-in june 18 th
Just trying to see if anyone is planning on attending our little pietenpol fly-in
here in Centerburg Ohio this june. I will send out a few more reminders, but
I need to get a rough head count so I can plan the food, drinks. We have a
new identifier now it is no longer OH71, it is now 6CM, although it was OH0 for
2-3 weeks so it might still be that on a new sectional, that is oscar-hotel-zero
(the faa changed it because it is confusing to have an oscar and zero like
that.) So any of you Ohio area guys let me know if you can make it, or if
you can't.
Shad
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Kinda like saying " I don't think.........." to your
wife ( or boss).
Clif :-)
>
> See? I told you I didn't even KNOW how I get myself in so much trouble!!!
>
> Thanks Bill, I'll remember that....hahahahaha
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Routing |
I'm assuming there's less than 3=B0 of direction change,
right?
Clif
Hi Jack,
I didn't think it was necessary to add the pulley. I took a small
piece of phenolic, drilled a hole in it, and glued it to the back side
of the seat, then ran the rudder cable through. There seems to be enough
slack in that system for it to work fine on mine. Very smooth operation
with no effort to move the rudder.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Ohio Piet fly-in june 18 th |
Thanks Skipp, I will keep you posted on any updates, Look forward to seeing
you both,
-
Shad
-
P.S. as last year your welcome to camp out friday and or sat night
--- On Mon, 4/25/11, skipgadd(at)earthlink.net wrote:
From: skipgadd(at)earthlink.net <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Piet fly-in june 18 th
Date: Monday, April 25, 2011, 9:35 PM
Shad, Ed and I are still planning on your fly in, weather permitting.
Skip
-
-
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
Sent: 4/25/2011 11:12:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Piet fly-in june 18 th
Just trying to see if anyone is planning on attending our little pietenpol
fly-in here in Centerburg Ohio this june.- I will send out a few more rem
inders, but I need to get a rough head count so I can plan the food, drinks
.- We have a new identifier now it is no longer OH71, it is now 6CM, alth
ough it was OH0 for 2-3 weeks so it might still be that on a new sectional,
that is oscar-hotel-zero (the faa changed it because it is confusing to ha
ve an oscar and zero like that.)- So any of you Ohio area guys let me kno
w if you can make it, or if you can't.
-
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Rib Questions |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Mark,
The thingie should align with the whatzit. :)
Seriously though, for the wing ribs, the grain orientation isn't critical. Either
"A" or "B" should be fine. More important than grain orientation is the grain
runout. Make sure the grain slope is no more than 1:15 (preferably even less)
or you may end up with broken ribs.
The grain orientation in "B" should be slightly easier to curve for the top capstrip.
That's how I did mine.
Now, if you're talking about spars, "B" is the only acceptable grain orientation.
Start cutting.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Another rib question |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Regarding the Pietenpol rib design, the original plans do not show the vertical
uprights adjacent to the spars, but the full-size template (as provided by the
Pietenpol family) DOES have them. I believe that BHP added them to the design
later, to make the wings easier to assemble. Some builders opt to put uprights
on either side of each spar (4 uprights), but this can make assembly more difficult,
since the spar is "trapped" between the two sticks.
Logic would indicate that adding a single upright at each spar is a good idea.
The extra Spruce will account for approximately 3/4 of a pound added to the total
weight of the airplane.
To the best of my knowledge, there is only one Air Camper currently flying with
a Riblett airfoil, but it sure sounds as though there are a lot of ribs being
built. It will be interesting to see how many get airborne in the coming years.
Perhaps then we will be able to better determine how this alternate airfoil
compares with the original Pietenpol airfoil.
Bill C.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | which airplane will perform better ? |
Q: The one with the Riblett or Pietenpol wing ?
A: The plane that has the lightest empty weight.
(surely an oversimplification but you get my drift.)
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| Subject: | Re: which airplane will perform better ? |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
The one who pays for the test...
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | looking for information |
I recently purchased the back issues of the International Pietenpol Association.
On the cover of the 2nd quarter 1978 issue was a photo of a Piet built by the
Emmerson Famliy of Scott, Kansas. Does anyone know these folks, do they still
have the Piet, do they have any photo's I could copy? etc. Any information would
be greatly appreciated.
Joe Swithin
Morris, IL
In the extended discovery phase, hoping to start ribs soon.
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| Subject: | Re: which airplane will perform better ? |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
You will be amazed, when he who has one and lets you see for yourself.
Pieti Lowell
Since 2004 on my 612
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | which airplane will perform better ? |
Mike which one is stuffed with helium filled ping pong balls?
Jack
DSM
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 12:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: which airplane will perform better ?
Q: The one with the Riblett or Pietenpol wing ?
A: The plane that has the lightest empty weight.
(surely an oversimplification but you get my drift.)
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320690514772&s
sPageName=ADME:B:SS:MOTORS:1123
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: looking for information |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Sorry Joe, I can't offer any information on the people or the aircraft in question.
All I really wanted to say was go ahead and get started... the discovery
phase never ends!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Routing |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Clif,
I am not near my Piet, so I am working from recollection. As with so many t
hings with my Piet design, I relied on seat-of-the-pants engineering, based
on my schooling and experience (A and P certificate 1976, real life experi
ences in the manufacturing field for 30 years). This was one of those times
that I used the "there is no reason that this won't work" conclusion. :O)
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 10:05 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Cable Routing
I'm assuming there's less than 3=C2=B0 of direction change,
right?
Clif
Hi Jack,
I didn't think it was necessary to add the pulley. I took a small piece of
phenolic, drilled a hole in it, and glued it to the back side of the seat,
then ran the rudder cable through. There seems to be enough slack in that s
ystem for it to work fine on mine. Very smooth operation with no effort to
move the rudder.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | seeking advice on tie rods vs cables |
Hey all,
The guy that started my project installed solid (round) tie rods with
threaded end fixtures for the center section and landing gear bracing. I've
just been reading about some flybaby accidents due to flying wires/cables
being replaced with tie rods which directed vibration into the spar fitting
and cracked it.
Though this is a very different application from center section and landing
gear bracing, I thought I'd put it out there to the group. Should I change
to standard cable or leave it?
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: seeking advice on tie rods vs cables |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Douwe,
I guess the answer to that would depend on the diameter of the round rods used
for the tie rods, what they're made of, and if the threads are rolled or cut with
a threading die. If the threads are cut and the rod is plain cold-rolled
steel of 1/8" or 3/16" diameter, I'd be willing to bet that 1/8" aircraft cable
with properly swaged Nicopress fittings will have a higher tensile strength
and would be less likely to break than the steel tie rods... I'd be worried about
the rods breaking at the threads, especially if they are subject to vibration.
That's my $.02, others please jump in and comment too.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder Cable Routing |
I was just thinking of the legal ( AC 43-13 ) aspect and
if more than three degrees would be passed on final
inspection. That, of course, would depend on the
knowledge of the inspector. it would be a shame to
have to rethink and redo the routing if it was more than
the acceptable 3=C2=B0 for a fairlead.
Clif
Hi Clif,
I am not near my Piet, so I am working from recollection. As with so
many things with my Piet design, I relied on seat-of-the-pants
engineering, based on my schooling and experience (A and P certificate
1976, real life experiences in the manufacturing field for 30 years).
This was one of those times that I used the "there is no reason that
this won't work" conclusion. :O)
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: seeking advice on tie rods vs cables |
The way I look at it, the possible safety issues aside (I saw the same
report years ago - vibration induced metal fatigue) is cable cheap,
tie rod expensive. What are you gaining?
Kip gardner
On Apr 26, 2011, at 10:41 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> The guy that started my project installed solid (round) tie rods
> with threaded end fixtures for the center section and landing gear
> bracing. I=92ve just been reading about some flybaby accidents due to
> flying wires/cables being replaced with tie rods which directed
> vibration into the spar fitting and cracked it.
>
> Though this is a very different application from center section and
> landing gear bracing, I thought I=92d put it out there to the group.
> Should I change to standard cable or leave it?
>
> Douwe
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | seeking advice on tie rods vs cables |
Douwe
On Bruce's Big Piet at Sun n Fun there were several swedges that were pulled
out. Both strut wires on the right side and both x-wires on the front
cabanes. I have never seen swedges pulled out, and we used a Go-NoGo gauge
on them to make sure they were properly sweged. Although, his wings and
center section were crushed, they held on long enough to pull out the
swedges
On our tail braces, we used Rolled Threads Unlimited to make our SS tail
braces. They were very cheap and were the highest quality. The cheap price
came from buying in quantity. I ordered 8 for each of the 6 airplanes or 48
total and the price was around $4.10 each and that included the Stainless
rod. Of course, with every good story there is a crummy ending. Someone
came into our shop and was looking for something to fix a lawnmower with and
we think he took one for the repair. When I ordered just one, the price was
$155.00. Looks like the threading machine set-up fee was absorbed in the 48
and not in the one.
Barry
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: seeking advice on tie rods vs cables
Hey all,
The guy that started my project installed solid (round) tie rods with
threaded end fixtures for the center section and landing gear bracing. I've
just been reading about some flybaby accidents due to flying wires/cables
being replaced with tie rods which directed vibration into the spar fitting
and cracked it.
Though this is a very different application from center section and landing
gear bracing, I thought I'd put it out there to the group. Should I change
to standard cable or leave it?
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cuttin' metal |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
being a big fiddle player i like banjo jokes....
if you throw a banjo player and a guitar player out of a plane at the same time....
who hits the ground first ??
the guitar player of course....
the banjo player has to stop and tune
jeff
in the bluegrass state
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| Subject: | Re: Cuttin' metal |
| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
Yeah,
If you see a banjo player drooling out of both sides of his mouth, what do you
know is true?
A. The stage is level.
On Apr 27, 2011, at 4:10 PM, bender wrote:
>
> being a big fiddle player i like banjo jokes....
>
> if you throw a banjo player and a guitar player out of a plane at the same time....
who hits the ground first ??
>
>
> the guitar player of course....
>
> the banjo player has to stop and tune
>
>
> jeff
> in the bluegrass state
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338198#338198
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
-
Has anyone considered resizing the rudder for better control? If so what ch
anges? (Sorry Bernie, just asking!)
Any changes to the elevator?
-
-
KMH
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
KMH--I find the rudder and elevator's built as per plans are incredibly light and
responsive.
Mike C.
________________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of KM Heide CPO/FAAOP [kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder sizing
Has anyone considered resizing the rudder for better control? If so what changes?
(Sorry Bernie, just asking!)
Any changes to the elevator?
KMH
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Why? The rudder is perfectly adequate and quite powerful, as are the
elevators. The only controls lacking in authority are the ailerons, and
they are improved with gap seals.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide
CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder sizing
Has anyone considered resizing the rudder for better control? If so what
changes? (Sorry Bernie, just asking!)
Any changes to the elevator?
KMH
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Corvair engine rebuilding |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
I am getting my engine ready for WW Corvair College 20 in Michigan. I am dissembling
my engine to put in forged pistons and nitrite the crank. The original
builder assembled the engine and ran it for about 5 hrs. I have logs of those
test runs. I am finding some interesting things and would like input from some
or you guys that are running corvairs especially if you have opened up your
engine. Here is what I found.
When I removed the cast pistons one was notably discolored (#3 cylinder) The cylinder
itself showed some signs of being hot as it has begun to rust slightly
through the paint which is not true of the others. I am presuming they were
all painted at the same time.
The coloring of the top of the piston shows that it was hot as well. The previous
builder's logs indicated that during first hour of break in the rt head ran
20F to 30F hotter than the other side. I don't know what cylinder the sensor
was on. The head also shows some signs of being hot and the fins are actually
melted. This looks to me to be possibly from someone working on it with a
torch or maybe trying to heat the nut to remove the exhaust manifold. There is
some obstruction of air there. The heads were totally reworked before I got
the project by Larry's Corvair Parts new valves, springs, and one seat welded,
I am not sure what action to take here and I am looking for advice.
Another issue. The rod inserts show a little scoring. You can just feel it with
your fingernail but the crank is smooth. I was surprised at that for only
5 hrs. but have not pulled that many engines apart. I don't know if those surfaces
polish out with break in as the inserts are much softer metal than the crank?
There is also some vertical scoring on the cylinder walls and I believe the jugs
were bored out to 30 over. again a surprise for only 5 hours. I am hoping
a light hone will take most of it out.
If you have any thoughts on these items please let me know. I am getting down
to the wire to have everything ready for college 20. Having to find a new head
at the last minute might be a problem. Attached are some photos that are a
little more graphic:
I have attached some pictures to help with my explanation
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Cuttin' metal |
Why do fiddlers pick on banjo players?
Because they can't pick on their fiddles.
Always remember that the Banjo Player is the Fiddle Player's best friend.
Without him the fiddle would be the most hated instrument on Earth...
Clif
> being a big fiddle player i like banjo jokes....
>
> if you throw a banjo player and a guitar player out of a plane at the same
> time.... who hits the ground first ??
> the guitar player of course....
> the banjo player has to stop and tune
> jeff
> in the bluegrass state
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine rebuilding |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
I would just wait and have WW look at it at CC, can't get better advice. The
previous owner painted the pistons?
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:12 PM, coxwelljon wrote:
> coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
>
> I am getting my engine ready for WW Corvair College 20 in Michigan. I am
> dissembling my engine to put in forged pistons and nitrite the crank. The
> original builder assembled the engine and ran it for about 5 hrs. I have
> logs of those test runs. I am finding some interesting things and would
> like input from some or you guys that are running corvairs especially if you
> have opened up your engine. Here is what I found.
>
> When I removed the cast pistons one was notably discolored (#3 cylinder)
> The cylinder itself showed some signs of being hot as it has begun to rust
> slightly through the paint which is not true of the others. I am presuming
> they were all painted at the same time.
>
> The coloring of the top of the piston shows that it was hot as well. The
> previous builder's logs indicated that during first hour of break in the rt
> head ran 20F to 30F hotter than the other side. I don't know what cylinder
> the sensor was on. The head also shows some signs of being hot and the fins
> are actually melted. This looks to me to be possibly from someone working
> on it with a torch or maybe trying to heat the nut to remove the exhaust
> manifold. There is some obstruction of air there. The heads were totally
> reworked before I got the project by Larry's Corvair Parts new valves,
> springs, and one seat welded, I am not sure what action to take here and I
> am looking for advice.
>
> Another issue. The rod inserts show a little scoring. You can just feel
> it with your fingernail but the crank is smooth. I was surprised at that
> for only 5 hrs. but have not pulled that many engines apart. I don't know
> if those surfaces polish out with break in as the inserts are much softer
> metal than the crank?
>
> There is also some vertical scoring on the cylinder walls and I believe the
> jugs were bored out to 30 over. again a surprise for only 5 hours. I am
> hoping a light hone will take most of it out.
>
> If you have any thoughts on these items please let me know. I am getting
> down to the wire to have everything ready for college 20. Having to find a
> new head at the last minute might be a problem. Attached are some photos
> that are a little more graphic:
>
>
> I have attached some pictures to help with my explanation
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338245#338245
>
>
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>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | one more West Coast Pieter |
Well, folks- it's official. I'm soon to return to being a West Coast Pieter.
We will be moving from TX to Medford, Oregon over Memorial Day holiday. Our
house here in San Antonio is sold, I've given notice at work, and my start
date at work with my old partners in Medford is June 6. Not
sure when Scout will be making the trip, but probably late summer or early
fall I'll fly commercial back to TX and then ferry the airplane "home" to
Oregon. I'll be stopping along the way to visit with Piet folks all along
the route back west along Interstate 10 and north along Interstate 5 (or the
valley highway), playing Jim Markle with tool pilfering at hangars and shops
all along the route, until Scout's front cockpit is so full we're over gross ;o)
This has been a long time brewing, but we always knew we'd return to Oregon
to retire (or whatever), and the time is now. So: look out all you guys
over in Hanford, Cool, Sacramento, or wherever... because Scout and I will
soon be coming to an airport near you ;o)
More later, as plans develop. Meanwhile, I've got a lot of packing to do.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder sizing |
I third that sentiment. The rudder has plenty of authority! What a blast do
ing a full slip from pattern altitude to landing! The gap seals on the aile
rons help a ton!
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Apr 27, 2011, at 8:59 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote:
> Why? The rudder is perfectly adequate and quite powerful, as are the elev
ators. The only controls lacking in authority are the ailerons, and they ar
e improved with gap seals.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:50 PM
> To: Pietenpol
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder sizing
>
>
> Has anyone considered resizing the rudder for better control? If so what c
hanges? (Sorry Bernie, just asking!)
>
> Any changes to the elevator?
>
>
> KMH
>
>
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: one more West Coast Pieter |
Heady times, Oscar! Good on you!
Does this mean you're NOT coming to Brodhead *again* this year?!??
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Apr 27, 2011, at 9:54 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Well, folks- it's official. I'm soon to return to being a West Coast Pieter.
> We will be moving from TX to Medford, Oregon over Memorial Day holiday. Our
> house here in San Antonio is sold, I've given notice at work, and my start
> date at work with my old partners in Medford is June 6. Not
> sure when Scout will be making the trip, but probably late summer or early
> fall I'll fly commercial back to TX and then ferry the airplane "home" to
> Oregon. I'll be stopping along the way to visit with Piet folks all along
> the route back west along Interstate 10 and north along Interstate 5 (or the
> valley highway), playing Jim Markle with tool pilfering at hangars and shops
> all along the route, until Scout's front cockpit is so full we're over gross
;o)
>
> This has been a long time brewing, but we always knew we'd return to Oregon
> to retire (or whatever), and the time is now. So: look out all you guys
> over in Hanford, Cool, Sacramento, or wherever... because Scout and I will
> soon be coming to an airport near you ;o)
>
> More later, as plans develop. Meanwhile, I've got a lot of packing to do.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Ernie Moreno" <ewmoreno(at)minetfiber.com> |
| Subject: | Re: one more West Coast Pieter |
Welcome home Oscar. Look forward to you flying in from time to time.
Ernie Moreno
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: one more West Coast Pieter
>
>
> Well, folks- it's official. I'm soon to return to being a West Coast
> Pieter.
> We will be moving from TX to Medford, Oregon over Memorial Day holiday.
> Our
> house here in San Antonio is sold, I've given notice at work, and my start
> date at work with my old partners in Medford is June 6. Not
> sure when Scout will be making the trip, but probably late summer or early
> fall I'll fly commercial back to TX and then ferry the airplane "home" to
> Oregon. I'll be stopping along the way to visit with Piet folks all along
> the route back west along Interstate 10 and north along Interstate 5 (or
> the
> valley highway), playing Jim Markle with tool pilfering at hangars and
> shops
> all along the route, until Scout's front cockpit is so full we're over
> gross ;o)
>
> This has been a long time brewing, but we always knew we'd return to
> Oregon
> to retire (or whatever), and the time is now. So: look out all you guys
> over in Hanford, Cool, Sacramento, or wherever... because Scout and I will
> soon be coming to an airport near you ;o)
>
> More later, as plans develop. Meanwhile, I've got a lot of packing to do.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
> -----
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder sizing |
Gentlemen - Thank you for your imput and I will keep with the plans. No cha
nges here!
=C2-
=C2-
KMH
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--- On Wed, 4/27/11, Dan Yocum wrote:
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rudder sizing
Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 9:57 PM
I third that sentiment. The rudder has plenty of authority! =C2-What a bl
ast doing a full slip from pattern altitude to landing! =C2-The gap seals
on the ailerons help a ton!
Dan
--=C2-
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Apr 27, 2011, at 8:59 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote
:
Why?=C2- The rudder is perfectly adequate and quite powerful, as are the
elevators.=C2- The only controls lacking in authority are the ailerons, a
nd they are improved with gap seals.
=C2-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP=C2- =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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anges? (Sorry Bernie, just asking!)
Any changes to the elevator?
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine rebuilding |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Rick,
I think he was referring to the cylinder paint....
If you really want to nail down the particulars before you go I would keep
trying to call William, be patient, leave a proper message (my name, my
number, briefly why I am calling), and I would also put calls into
Roy.....good luck!
Ryan
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
> I would just wait and have WW look at it at CC, can't get better advice.
> The previous owner painted the pistons?
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:12 PM, coxwelljon wrote:
>
>> coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
>>
>> I am getting my engine ready for WW Corvair College 20 in Michigan. I am
>> dissembling my engine to put in forged pistons and nitrite the crank. The
>> original builder assembled the engine and ran it for about 5 hrs. I have
>> logs of those test runs. I am finding some interesting things and would
>> like input from some or you guys that are running corvairs especially if you
>> have opened up your engine. Here is what I found.
>>
>> When I removed the cast pistons one was notably discolored (#3 cylinder)
>> The cylinder itself showed some signs of being hot as it has begun to rust
>> slightly through the paint which is not true of the others. I am presuming
>> they were all painted at the same time.
>>
>> The coloring of the top of the piston shows that it was hot as well. The
>> previous builder's logs indicated that during first hour of break in the rt
>> head ran 20F to 30F hotter than the other side. I don't know what cylinder
>> the sensor was on. The head also shows some signs of being hot and the fins
>> are actually melted. This looks to me to be possibly from someone working
>> on it with a torch or maybe trying to heat the nut to remove the exhaust
>> manifold. There is some obstruction of air there. The heads were totally
>> reworked before I got the project by Larry's Corvair Parts new valves,
>> springs, and one seat welded, I am not sure what action to take here and I
>> am looking for advice.
>>
>> Another issue. The rod inserts show a little scoring. You can just feel
>> it with your fingernail but the crank is smooth. I was surprised at that
>> for only 5 hrs. but have not pulled that many engines apart. I don't know
>> if those surfaces polish out with break in as the inserts are much softer
>> metal than the crank?
>>
>> There is also some vertical scoring on the cylinder walls and I believe
>> the jugs were bored out to 30 over. again a surprise for only 5 hours. I
>> am hoping a light hone will take most of it out.
>>
>> If you have any thoughts on these items please let me know. I am getting
>> down to the wire to have everything ready for college 20. Having to find a
>> new head at the last minute might be a problem. Attached are some photos
>> that are a little more graphic:
>>
>>
>> I have attached some pictures to help with my explanation
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>> GN-1 Builder
>> Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine rebuilding |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Jon,
Piston #3 is darker than the rest probably because of an air leak causing a lean
condition in that cylinder. The air leak could be caused where the intake
bolts to the head. If somebody put enough heat into the head to melt cylinder
fins, there's no telling how warped it is without careful measurement. And why
would someone weld in a valve seat? Or do you mean that the head was welded
up so that a valve seat could actually be pressed in properly? Etiher way,
the head got way too hot at some point. I'm not sure I'd use that head even if
this engine was going into a real Corvair with 4 wheels.
I'd also invest in some new bearing inserts if the current ones are scored. Even
if the original person who rebuilt this engine used quality parts in the rebuild,
there's no telling about how clean the shop was where he did the assembly,
or if he did the assembly work properly to begin with.
But as Rick and Ryan already mentioned, WW is the ultimate resource for answers
to your situation. He'll surely set you straight when you get your engine to
CC #20.
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | one more West Coast Pieter |
Congrats Oscar, I wish you the best with the move. A couple of thoughts,
you are most welcome in Des Moines (I35 and I80) anytime! Also, the fellow
that bought my RV8 had it shipped to the East coast. I was impressed with
the trailer which had 3 RV's on board, packed very well. I believe the cost
was reasonable. Wish I could remember the outfit's name. I'm sure you
could find their advertisement or info on the RV list.
Best wishes!
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: one more West Coast Pieter
Well, folks- it's official. I'm soon to return to being a West Coast
Pieter.
We will be moving from TX to Medford, Oregon over Memorial Day holiday. Our
house here in San Antonio is sold, I've given notice at work, and my start
date at work with my old partners in Medford is June 6. Not
sure when Scout will be making the trip, but probably late summer or early
fall I'll fly commercial back to TX and then ferry the airplane "home" to
Oregon. I'll be stopping along the way to visit with Piet folks all along
the route back west along Interstate 10 and north along Interstate 5 (or the
valley highway), playing Jim Markle with tool pilfering at hangars and shops
all along the route, until Scout's front cockpit is so full we're over gross
;o)
This has been a long time brewing, but we always knew we'd return to Oregon
to retire (or whatever), and the time is now. So: look out all you guys
over in Hanford, Cool, Sacramento, or wherever... because Scout and I will
soon be coming to an airport near you ;o)
More later, as plans develop. Meanwhile, I've got a lot of packing to do.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | one more West Coast Pieter |
Probably Partain's. They do a lot of shipping for Vans.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:50 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: one more West Coast Pieter
Congrats Oscar, I wish you the best with the move. A couple of thoughts,
you are most welcome in Des Moines (I35 and I80) anytime! Also, the fellow
that bought my RV8 had it shipped to the East coast. I was impressed with
the trailer which had 3 RV's on board, packed very well. I believe the cost
was reasonable. Wish I could remember the outfit's name. I'm sure you
could find their advertisement or info on the RV list.
Best wishes!
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: one more West Coast Pieter
Well, folks- it's official. I'm soon to return to being a West Coast
Pieter.
We will be moving from TX to Medford, Oregon over Memorial Day holiday. Our
house here in San Antonio is sold, I've given notice at work, and my start
date at work with my old partners in Medford is June 6. Not
sure when Scout will be making the trip, but probably late summer or early
fall I'll fly commercial back to TX and then ferry the airplane "home" to
Oregon. I'll be stopping along the way to visit with Piet folks all along
the route back west along Interstate 10 and north along Interstate 5 (or the
valley highway), playing Jim Markle with tool pilfering at hangars and shops
all along the route, until Scout's front cockpit is so full we're over gross
;o)
This has been a long time brewing, but we always knew we'd return to Oregon
to retire (or whatever), and the time is now. So: look out all you guys
over in Hanford, Cool, Sacramento, or wherever... because Scout and I will
soon be coming to an airport near you ;o)
More later, as plans develop. Meanwhile, I've got a lot of packing to do.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | one more West Coast Pieter |
Oscar, you might as well fly Scout to Medford by way of Brodhead this July.
This will be the last chance to get it to Brodhead without having to go over
some pretty lumpy terrain.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 10:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: one more West Coast Pieter
Well, folks- it's official. I'm soon to return to being a West Coast
Pieter.
We will be moving from TX to Medford, Oregon over Memorial Day holiday. Our
house here in San Antonio is sold, I've given notice at work, and my start
date at work with my old partners in Medford is June 6. Not
sure when Scout will be making the trip, but probably late summer or early
fall I'll fly commercial back to TX and then ferry the airplane "home" to
Oregon. I'll be stopping along the way to visit with Piet folks all along
the route back west along Interstate 10 and north along Interstate 5 (or the
valley highway), playing Jim Markle with tool pilfering at hangars and shops
all along the route, until Scout's front cockpit is so full we're over gross
;o)
This has been a long time brewing, but we always knew we'd return to Oregon
to retire (or whatever), and the time is now. So: look out all you guys
over in Hanford, Cool, Sacramento, or wherever... because Scout and I will
soon be coming to an airport near you ;o)
More later, as plans develop. Meanwhile, I've got a lot of packing to do.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Determining cable exit holes |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
My Piet has all the major parts on and all the controls are operational. Locating
the cable exit holes is up in the air for me. I will get major heartburn taking
a hobby knife and slicing a hole in new fabric. Is there a sure fire way?
Am I worrying for naught?
Kevin I thought of you yesterday afternoon. Two Blackhawks were cruising along
about 150 feet. I was hoeing in the garden about 200 feet from my windsock. As
they passed by about 300 feet away I tipped my cap to them and when I did the
Blackhawk nearest me pulled up 60 then banked about 75 left turning in front
of me. When the other one saw what he was doing he did similar maneuvering. That
made my day! We have a lot of military traffic here at low altitude.... T34C,
TH-57, C-130, and V-22. Whiting NAS, Pensacola NAS, Eglin AFB, and Fort Rucker
Army.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | one more West Coast Pieter |
Let's do some figgerin' here: it's about 1000 air miles from San Antonio
to Brodhead and I never was able to make it there. It's about 1700 air miles
from Medford to Brodhead. Wonder if I'll ever make it there?
More figgerin': 1700SM divvied up by 60MPH (keeping the math simple) gives
28 hours. I'll probably get to watch three, mebbe four sunrises on the way
from Oregon to Wisconsin, each way. As Dan Yocum knows, that's a lot of
time in the saddle... but stranger things have happened.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Determining cable exit holes |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
I shall notify the authorities immediately! Completely inappropriate and unprofessional
behavior from my Blackhawk brethren.
:)
You're worrying for naught. Take your measurements from a point you can identify
with covering on, make good notes, and slice away when the time comes. Leather
patches are a nice way to solve any small inaccuracies.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Determining cable exit holes |
| From: | "bradandlinda tds.net" <bradandlinda(at)tds.net> |
Before putting the fabric on, tape pieces of paper in the area the wires
will come out cutting and pasting other pieces around the wire location
until the exact location is found. Mark the paper to reference the
structure under it (verticals, stringers,etc) , and label the pieces and pu
t
direction arrows if necessary. When the fabric is on, overlay the paper
guides over the fabric referencing the structure marks and you will have
the precise location of the holes. Brad Williams
> jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
>
> My Piet has all the major parts on and all the controls are operational.
> Locating the cable exit holes is up in the air for me. I will get major
> heartburn taking a hobby knife and slicing a hole in new fabric. Is there
a
> sure fire way? Am I worrying for naught?
>
> Kevin I thought of you yesterday afternoon. Two Blackhawks were cruising
> along about 150 feet. I was hoeing in the garden about 200 feet from my
> windsock. As they passed by about 300 feet away I tipped my cap to them a
nd
> when I did the Blackhawk nearest me pulled up 60=B0 then banked about 75
=B0 left
> turning in front of me. When the other one saw what he was doing he did
> similar maneuvering. That made my day! We have a lot of military traffic
> here at low altitude.... T34C, TH-57, C-130, and V-22. Whiting NAS,
> Pensacola NAS, Eglin AFB, and Fort Rucker Army.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338284#338284
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: one more West Coast Pieter |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Oscar,
I believe your plane used to be based at Corona airport in CA. Correct me if I'm
wrong. A friend of mine had it a while then I heard it went east. Anyway,
You are certainly welcome to stop by Fox Field in Lancaster CA on your way up.
I know that when I flew that route to Washington it was 70 degrees in Redding
when we left. I didn't wear a jacket, big mistake, I froze my tail off when
I got to the Shasta area. Brrr.
Enjoy Oregon, it's beautiful up there.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338294#338294
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | one more West Coast Pieter |
Oscar, I figger 34 hours flying time (rou
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: one more West Coast Pieter
Let's do some figgerin' here: it's about 1000 air miles from San Antonio
to Brodhead and I never was able to make it there. It's about 1700 air
miles
from Medford to Brodhead. Wonder if I'll ever make it there?
More figgerin': 1700SM divvied up by 60MPH (keeping the math simple) gives
28 hours. I'll probably get to watch three, mebbe four sunrises on the way
from Oregon to Wisconsin, each way. As Dan Yocum knows, that's a lot of
time in the saddle... but stranger things have happened.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | one more West Coast Pieter |
Oscar I figger 34 hours flying time (roundtrip) to go from NC or Virginia to
Brodhead and Oshkosh and back. I've done it 3 times and will probably do it
again this year. Just look at it as a great way to build flying time.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: one more West Coast Pieter
Let's do some figgerin' here: it's about 1000 air miles from San Antonio
to Brodhead and I never was able to make it there. It's about 1700 air
miles
from Medford to Brodhead. Wonder if I'll ever make it there?
More figgerin': 1700SM divvied up by 60MPH (keeping the math simple) gives
28 hours. I'll probably get to watch three, mebbe four sunrises on the way
from Oregon to Wisconsin, each way. As Dan Yocum knows, that's a lot of
time in the saddle... but stranger things have happened.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: one more West Coast Pieter |
On 04/28/2011 07:47 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga
>
>
> Let's do some figgerin' here: it's about 1000 air miles from San Antonio
> to Brodhead and I never was able to make it there. It's about 1700 air miles
> from Medford to Brodhead. Wonder if I'll ever make it there?
>
> More figgerin': 1700SM divvied up by 60MPH (keeping the math simple) gives
> 28 hours. I'll probably get to watch three, mebbe four sunrises on the way
> from Oregon to Wisconsin, each way. As Dan Yocum knows, that's a lot of
> time in the saddle... but stranger things have happened.
No, no. Not me. Kevin knows what 28+hrs in the saddle feels like. He
didn't look too hobbled over when I saw him at Brodhead. Of course, he
was leaning on Shelley most of the time... ;-)
I was lucky and had N8031 hand delivered to me by the previous owner, a
kid outta college with a much younger butt than mine. I've done 4.5hrs
at a stretch, but that's it.
There are older gents who have done longer hauls in a Hatz. The story
starts out like this:
"Remember back when you were a little kid. When you were riding your
bike, you werent really on a bicycle, you were flying in your biplane.
The parked cars, trash cans, the neighbors dog, any obstacles were the
clouds you were flying around. Remember the playing card in the spokes?
I was one of those kids..."
Read the rest at http://www.aerocraftsman.com/blakesburg-or-bust/.
Hope to see you at Brodhead, Oscar!
Cheers,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: one more West Coast Pieter |
| From: | John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com> |
Oscar,
I better get my Piet finished fast if we are going to fly together! Sorry to
see you go, but sounds nice...John
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Well, folks- it's official. I'm soon to return to being a West Coast
> Pieter.
> We will be moving from TX to Medford, Oregon over Memorial Day holiday.
> Our
> house here in San Antonio is sold, I've given notice at work, and my start
> date at work with my old partners in Medford is June 6. Not
> sure when Scout will be making the trip, but probably late summer or early
> fall I'll fly commercial back to TX and then ferry the airplane "home" to
> Oregon. I'll be stopping along the way to visit with Piet folks all along
> the route back west along Interstate 10 and north along Interstate 5 (or
> the
> valley highway), playing Jim Markle with tool pilfering at hangars and
> shops
> all along the route, until Scout's front cockpit is so full we're over
> gross ;o)
>
> This has been a long time brewing, but we always knew we'd return to Oregon
> to retire (or whatever), and the time is now. So: look out all you guys
> over in Hanford, Cool, Sacramento, or wherever... because Scout and I will
> soon be coming to an airport near you ;o)
>
> More later, as plans develop. Meanwhile, I've got a lot of packing to do.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Dan Yocum mentions slipping the Pietenpol with all that |
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine rebuilding |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Thanks to All,
Bill, I had not thought about an air leak but the discoloration on the head at
the top edge of #3 does indicate there could be a leak there.
Yes, the cylinders were painted by the previous owner. I am somewhat embarrassed
to admit that I have had this project since summer of 2005. It has resided
inside my shop but upstate ny can be humid at times and I do get rusting on my
tools if I don't keep them wiped down. 5 cylinders show paint with no sign
of rust but the 6th looks like the paint is slightly deteriorated and rust is
showing up. Not obvious but it is there. I surmise that the temp exceeded what
the paint was rated for and reduced its effectiveness.
I have emailed the pictures to WW and called, but he is a difficult man to sometimes
get a hold of. That is why I thought I would get some input here on the
forum.
Thanks again.
Jon Coxwell
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: Determining cable exit holes |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
I asked that question of the builder of a sleek little antique homebuilt. His
cables exited through a hole in the fabric no bigger than a 22 shell. He basically
did what Brad is describing. He installed cables and measured before covering
and made a template for each side. That reminds me I need to do the same
before covering.
Jon Coxwell
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Determining cable exit holes |
8x10 colored glossies, with lines and arrows....
Gary
"...You're worrying for naught. Take your measurements from a point you can
identify with covering on, make good notes, and slice away when the time
comes. Leather patches are a nice way to solve any small inaccuracies."
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
Oscar, I have an entire row of studs, top long ones on the left engine side,
that need to be replaced and I can't get the old studs to come out. I tried
WW's candle wax bit and I also soaked them in Liquid Wrench for a couple of
nights. They still won't budge. Any ideas? C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
>
>
> Now Raymond, why do you bother starting your search for a prop without
> first looking right here in the Lone Star State with people you know?
> ;o) I have a new, in the box Tennessee Props 62x34 prop for the Corvair
> and it has nobody to dance with right now. I would be happy to loan
> you the prop for testing, with the usual "you break it/you bought it"
> caveats. You can see a pic of it here:
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/corvair/corvair.html
>
> The prop size was determined by Tennessee Props after I told them what
> it was going on, what was intended to power it, cruise speed, etc.- but
> I don't think they had made any props for this engine/airframe combination
> before, so it may not be optimum. For testing, though, it should at
> least give you another point of reference.
>
> Like my optometrist says, as she clicks different lenses into the
> diagnostic apparatus: "is it better with THIS, or with THIS?"
>
> Get with me off-list and we'll arrange for shipping, if you want to try
> this prop out. Texans don't let other Texans get outside help ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Determining cable exit holes |
the quote is "circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back explaining wha
t each one was to be used as evidence against us"
Gene =3B)
> From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Determining cable exit holes
> Date: Thu=2C 28 Apr 2011 15:02:40 -0700
>
>
> 8x10 colored glossies=2C with lines and arrows....
>
> Gary
>
>
> "...You're worrying for naught. Take your measurements from a point you c
an
> identify with covering on=2C make good notes=2C and slice away when the t
ime
> comes. Leather patches are a nice way to solve any small inaccuracies."
>
> --------
> Kevin "=3BAxel"=3B Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown=2C TX
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338290#338290
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
I agree with Raymond. I have done the same thing many times. Sometimes it may be
really stuck and wring the stud off... get another nut and weld it on again.
Don't give up until you have twisted it off flush. I have always used stick rods
for this.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Determining cable exit holes |
"Kid - we don't like your kind. You need to go sit on the bench marked
'Group W'"
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:13 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Determining cable exit holes
the quote is "circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back explaining what
each one was to be used as evidence against us"
Gene ;)
> From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Determining cable exit holes
> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:02:40 -0700
>
>
> 8x10 colored glossies, with lines and arrows....
>
> Gary
>
>
> "...You're worrying for naught. Take your measurements from a point you
can
> identify with covering on, make good notes, and slice away when the time
> comes. Leather patches are a nice way to solve any small inaccuracies."
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338290#338290
>
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| Subject: | Christmas in April |
| From: | "cjborsuk" <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com> |
I just received my latest Aircraft Spruce order. Time to get back to work! This
is what $1000 will buy you! Doesn't look like much, but there is really more
there than it seems. I took my time and ordered the sizes as close as I could
leaving some fudge factor. Quality of the spruce looks good. Only one or two
pieces I would question and that is me just being picky. I used marine ply and
some local doug fir on the wings. Looking forward to working with spruce again.
ACS did a good job. That is a lot of cuts. There is a 4x8 sheet of 1/16 ply
under there they cut for me for the leading edge that I can install with very
little work. Packing and shipping was less than $100. Should keep me busy for
awhile!
Can't wait to get started on the fuse. I have had it drawn for awhile. The drawing
in the pic may be hard to see.
Chuck "Charlie Bravo" in Raleigh
NX989CB (closest I could get)
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
Just curious, are you double-nutting, or using a proper puller, such
as the Snap-On collet type? Pulled many a stud out of junk cases with
plenty of heat and wax, using the Snap-On puller. Much better, in my
opinion.
On a side note, how about a couple pics of the bad studs....they may
actually be usable, and it's better if you don't disturb them....just
curious,
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 28, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Charles Campbell wrote:
>
> Oscar, I have an entire row of studs, top long ones on the left engine side,
that need to be replaced and I can't get the old studs to come out. I tried WW's
candle wax bit and I also soaked them in Liquid Wrench for a couple of nights.
They still won't budge. Any ideas? C
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
> To: "Pietenpol List"
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:29 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
>
>
>>
>>
>> Now Raymond, why do you bother starting your search for a prop without
>> first looking right here in the Lone Star State with people you know?
>> ;o) I have a new, in the box Tennessee Props 62x34 prop for the Corvair
>> and it has nobody to dance with right now. I would be happy to loan
>> you the prop for testing, with the usual "you break it/you bought it"
>> caveats. You can see a pic of it here:
>> http://www.flysquirrel.net/corvair/corvair.html
>>
>> The prop size was determined by Tennessee Props after I told them what
>> it was going on, what was intended to power it, cruise speed, etc.- but
>> I don't think they had made any props for this engine/airframe combination
>> before, so it may not be optimum. For testing, though, it should at
>> least give you another point of reference.
>>
>> Like my optometrist says, as she clicks different lenses into the
>> diagnostic apparatus: "is it better with THIS, or with THIS?"
>>
>> Get with me off-list and we'll arrange for shipping, if you want to try
>> this prop out. Texans don't let other Texans get outside help ;o)
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> San Antonio, TX
>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
Now granted I haven't done this on a Corvair yet, (all my studs came out) but I
have had great luck with PB Blaster, sometimes a little heat helped, spark plug
on a fiero that was stuck, put as much pressure on it as I dared, sprayed
PB blaster on it, drove it a while to get it warm, repeat, and it all but fell
out! Same for the O2 sensor, I always keep PB in my box now
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:13 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
>
> Just curious, are you double-nutting, or using a proper puller, such
> as the Snap-On collet type? Pulled many a stud out of junk cases with
> plenty of heat and wax, using the Snap-On puller. Much better, in my
> opinion.
>
> On a side note, how about a couple pics of the bad studs....they may
> actually be usable, and it's better if you don't disturb them....just
> curious,
>
> Ryan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Charles Campbell wrote:
>
>>
>> Oscar, I have an entire row of studs, top long ones on the left engine side,
that need to be replaced and I can't get the old studs to come out. I tried
WW's candle wax bit and I also soaked them in Liquid Wrench for a couple of nights.
They still won't budge. Any ideas? C
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>> To: "Pietenpol List"
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:29 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair props
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Now Raymond, why do you bother starting your search for a prop without
>>> first looking right here in the Lone Star State with people you know?
>>> ;o) I have a new, in the box Tennessee Props 62x34 prop for the Corvair
>>> and it has nobody to dance with right now. I would be happy to loan
>>> you the prop for testing, with the usual "you break it/you bought it"
>>> caveats. You can see a pic of it here:
>>> http://www.flysquirrel.net/corvair/corvair.html
>>>
>>> The prop size was determined by Tennessee Props after I told them what
>>> it was going on, what was intended to power it, cruise speed, etc.- but
>>> I don't think they had made any props for this engine/airframe combination
>>> before, so it may not be optimum. For testing, though, it should at
>>> least give you another point of reference.
>>>
>>> Like my optometrist says, as she clicks different lenses into the
>>> diagnostic apparatus: "is it better with THIS, or with THIS?"
>>>
>>> Get with me off-list and we'll arrange for shipping, if you want to try
>>> this prop out. Texans don't let other Texans get outside help ;o)
>>>
>>> Oscar Zuniga
>>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>>> San Antonio, TX
>>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Christmas in April |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Chuck,
Good for you and go for it!! I can remember when I got the spars from ACS
and they sat up in my loft for two years before I had the time to even star
t on them. Delayed gratification!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: cjborsuk <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 9:30 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Christmas in April
I just received my latest Aircraft Spruce order. Time to get back to work!
This
s what $1000 will buy you! Doesn't look like much, but there is really more
here than it seems. I took my time and ordered the sizes as close as I cou
ld
eaving some fudge factor. Quality of the spruce looks good. Only one or two
ieces I would question and that is me just being picky. I used marine ply a
nd
ome local doug fir on the wings. Looking forward to working with spruce aga
in.
CS did a good job. That is a lot of cuts. There is a 4x8 sheet of 1/16 ply
nder there they cut for me for the leading edge that I can install with ver
y
ittle work. Packing and shipping was less than $100. Should keep me busy fo
r
while!
Can't wait to get started on the fuse. I have had it drawn for awhile. The
rawing in the pic may be hard to see.
Chuck "Charlie Bravo" in Raleigh
X989CB (closest I could get)
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| Subject: | Re: Christmas in April |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
I never knew a hammock was a shop tool......I need to get one.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Christmas in April |
Looks very good, Chuck. Amazing how little material actually is required to
build an airplane, isn't it?
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Christmas in April
I just received my latest Aircraft Spruce order. Time to get back to work!
This is what $1000 will buy you! Doesn't look like much, but there is really
more there than it seems. I took my time and ordered the sizes as close as
I could leaving some fudge factor. Quality of the spruce looks good. Only
one or two pieces I would question and that is me just being picky. I used
marine ply and some local doug fir on the wings. Looking forward to working
with spruce again. ACS did a good job. That is a lot of cuts. There is a 4x8
sheet of 1/16 ply under there they cut for me for the leading edge that I
can install with very little work. Packing and shipping was less than $100.
Should keep me busy for awhile!
Can't wait to get started on the fuse. I have had it drawn for awhile. The
drawing in the pic may be hard to see.
Chuck "Charlie Bravo" in Raleigh
NX989CB (closest I could get)
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| Subject: | Re: Christmas in April |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Part of the "fast-build Pietenpol "kit" I see..... some assembly required (ha!)
Sure looks nice.........!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | FAA Regs concerning LSA Repair |
Please take a look at the following link from the EAA:
http://www.sportair.com/workshops/Repairman%20%28LSA%29%20Inspection-Airplane.html#TopOfPage
This course is for repairing certificated Light Sport Airplanes. The text also
says:
"Successful completion of the course allows you to perform the annual condition
inspection on any Experimental Light Sport Airplane you own."
However, at the bottom of the page it also says:
"It IS NOT valid to obtain a Repair / Inspection Certificate for an aircraft with
an Airworthiness Certificate in the following categories:
....
Experimental Amateur Built (Homebuilt from plans or a kit)"
...
Is the key phrase here "Airworthiness Certificate"?
This seems confusing to me and would appreciate some explanation, if someone on
the list knows what it means.
Thanks,
John F.
GN-1 / Corvair
Richmond, TX
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Regs concerning LSA Repair |
| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
John,
The way I read this:
You can do the annual on a LSA or ELSA that you OWN but did not built yours
elf
It is for those of us that bought a "second hand" ELSA or new LSA
if you built your own ELSA you simply apply for repairman certificate witho
ut going through the course
you can not become an A&P for this type of aircraft with this course.
That is my understanding of this
Hans
NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 29, 2011 10:29 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FAA Regs concerning LSA Repair
Please take a look at the following link from the EAA:
ttp://www.sportair.com/workshops/Repairman%20%28LSA%29%20Inspection-Airplan
e.html#TopOfPage
This course is for repairing certificated Light Sport Airplanes. The text
also
ays:
Successful completion of the course allows you to perform the annual condit
ion
nspection on any Experimental Light Sport Airplane you own."
However, at the bottom of the page it also says:
It IS NOT valid to obtain a Repair / Inspection Certificate for an aircraft
ith an Airworthiness Certificate in the following categories:
....
xperimental Amateur Built (Homebuilt from plans or a kit)"
..
Is the key phrase here "Airworthiness Certificate"?
his seems confusing to me and would appreciate some explanation, if someone
on
he list knows what it means.
Thanks,
ohn F.
N-1 / Corvair
ichmond, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair props |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
skellytown flyer wrote:
> Well as you guys already know -Oscar is a true friend and one of the good guys
for sure. I have been very reluctant to borrow stuff-especially new stuff that
could get dinged up in use. but just to let you know-I did follow up with him
and will likely be testing his prop.and I am seriously considering Dan's recommendation
of making one myself over time. as far as tackling the scimitar design.
I don't know.it looks a fair amount more complicated to get the geometry
right on that one especially without a duplicator and a pattern.Raymond
Raymond, Will you let me know how Oscar's prop turns out? I have the same prop.
The previous builder ran it on the ground for 5 hrs and logs show 2500 static.
I don't know if he was pushing it full throttle or not and his logs on run-in
were a little sketchy. I also do not know the accuracy of the tach. My
engine is a 110 hp using a stromberg carb. I have some other unexpected engine
problems so I am not sure what to expect. If I get my engine running at Corvair
College #20 I may get a chance to see what it will do.
Jon Coxwell
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Regs concerning LSA Repair |
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
The confusion comes from the term Experimental Light Sport Airplane. An E-LSA
is developed from the defined processes of an S-LSA and is considered a certificated
Light Sport Airplane. An Experimental Amateur Built Aircraft (ABA - Homebuilt
from plans or a kit) is not.
For an ABA the builder is required to show the so-called 50% rule whereas for an
E-LSA the builder (or assembler) must show that the processes and specs from
the manufacturer where followed (but he/she can do less than 50%).
You earn a Repairman Inspection rating for E-LSA and a Repairman Certificate for
an ABA. With a Repairman Inspection rating you can perform inspection on ANY
E-LSA you own but a Repairman Certificate is only good for the particular ABA
aircraft and builder it was issued for.
Many aircraft meet the requirements as Light Sport Aircraft (Cub, Champ Pietenpol)
and although some are Experimental, they are not Experimental Light Sport
Aircraft. There must be a S-LSA first for the E-LSA to be based from.
At least thats my understanding.
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Regs concerning LSA Repair |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
John,
I am very new at this portion of aviation, and I have found all of this confusing
as well. However, in doing a little research on the EAA website, I have found
the following. I will print the important parts below, so that you do not have
to flip back and forth between this forum and another website. This is taken
from the EAA's website. Hopefully, since I acknowledge the source, no one will
be upset that I cut and pasted-
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"Sport pilots may fly aircraft certificated in many of the experimental aircraft
categories, including experimental light-sport aircraft, experimental amateur-built,
and experimental exhibition.
Experimental light-sport aircraft
Experimental light-sport aircraft (E-LSA) may be flown by sport pilots. E-LSA kits
that do not conform to amateur-built certification requirements and will be
certificated in the E-LSA category must be based on an aircraft that has received
a special LSA (S-LSA) airworthiness certificate. ELSA
must be operated in accordance with the operating limitations issued to the aircraft
at the time it receives its airworthiness certification. It must be maintained
in accordance with regulations as they apply to E-LSA. Its annual condition
inspection may be conducted by an LSA repairman with an inspection rating,
an LSA repairman with a maintenance rating, an airframe and powerplant (A&P)
mechanic, or a certified repair station. (emphasis mine)
Experimental amateur-built aircraft
Experimental amateur-built aircraft that meet the definition of an LSA may be flown
by sport pilots. The aircraft is certificated as experimental amateur-built
and must be operated in accordance with the operating limitations issued to
the aircraft at the time it receives its
airworthiness certification. It must be maintained and inspected in accordance
with regulations as they pertain to amateur-built aircraft. Its annual condition
inspection may be performed by the original primary builder if he/she holds
the repairman certificate for the aircraft, an A&P mechanic, or a certified repair
station. (emphasis mine)."
__________________________________
I also want to refer you to something that I just read through my email subscription
to the Experimenter (again, from EAA) in the most recent edition of "Tales
from the DAR Side", Joe Norris says this. Again, I quote from the EAA article-
________________________________
"An annual inspection on a typical GA aircraft is required by FAR 91.409. But reading
paragraph (c) of this regulation will reveal that the inspection requirements
called out in the regulation dont apply to aircraft carrying a current
experimental airworthiness certificate. The FAA typically wants our experimental
aircraft to be inspected each year, so since the regulation itself doesnt require
such an inspection, the FAA must place this requirement in the operating
limitations.
Technically, this isnt an annual inspection, even though its required to be performed
annually. The FAA actually has a specific definition for an annual inspection,
requiring the aircraft undergoing such an inspection to be compared to
its type certificate and any supplemental type certificates as may be applicable.
Since our experimental aircraft dont have a type certificate, they cant undergo
an annual inspection as defined by the FAA. This being the case, the inspection
performed on an experimental aircraft is referred to as a condition inspection.
And since this inspection isnt an annual inspection by FAA definition,
the person performing it isnt required to hold an inspection authorization
(IA).(emphasis mine)
So who is authorized to perform the condition inspection on our amateur-built aircraft?
The operating limitations will contain that information as well, in the
form of the following or a similarly worded limitation:
An experimental aircraft builder certificated as a repairman for this aircraft
under 65.104 or an appropriately rated FAA-certificated mechanic may perform
the condition inspection required by these operating limitations.
The Repairman Certificate Mystery
The regulation called out in this limitation, FAR 65.104, allows the original primary
builder of an amateur-built aircraft to qualify for a repairman certificate.
Calling this a repairman certificate has caused a good bit of confusion
within the amateur-built community, as the name implies that you need the certificate
in order to make repairs to the aircraft. This is actually not the case.
The fact is, the person performing maintenance, repair, or modification to
an amateur-built aircraft isnt required to hold any FAA certificate at all (emphasis
mine) an issue Ill cover a bit later in this article.
This repairman certificate is actually only necessary when performing the condition
inspection on the aircraft, as called out in the above-quoted limitation.
Be aware that the repairman certificate is aircraft-specific. Its only applicable
to the aircraft called out on the certificate. So just because you hold the
repairman certificate for your own homebuilt, that doesnt authorize you to
perform the condition inspection on your friends homebuilt, even if its the same
model. (emphasis mine). Youll note that an appropriately rated FAA-certificated
mechanic is also authorized to perform the inspection. This is lawyer language
for an A&P mechanic. Note that it specifically says mechanic and not inspector,
so any A&P can perform the inspection. No IA is required."
_________________________________
Again, I know that this is a long read, but it is confusing, and I wanted to make
it easier to read and put it all together. The way I understand it, if you
build it, and register the aircraft as Experimental Amateur Built (whether it
qualifies as an LSA or not), and apply for the Repairman's certificate, you can
do all maintenance including the conditional inspection. If you did not build
the airplane, and thus do not hold the Repairman's certificate, you can do your
own maintenance, but not the Conditional Inspection. However, any A&P (not
necessarily an IA) can do the conditional Inspection. So you can do it all, except
for one thing per year, the Inspection.
If you purchase an aircraft that is certified E-LSA, that course that you referred
to will allow you to apply for the Repairman's certificate for that aircraft
only, and you can do the Conditional Inspection.
Did I read this right, because that is how it seems to read to me. If I am wrong,
someone please correct me.
I hope that helps.
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Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Christmas in April |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Chuck, your workshop is cleaner than my kitchen (which ain't sayin much I
guess).
rick
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 8:27 PM, cjborsuk wrote:
>
> I just received my latest Aircraft Spruce order. Time to get back to work!
> This is what $1000 will buy you! Doesn't look like much, but there is really
> more there than it seems. I took my time and ordered the sizes as close as
> I could leaving some fudge factor. Quality of the spruce looks good. Only
> one or two pieces I would question and that is me just being picky. I used
> marine ply and some local doug fir on the wings. Looking forward to working
> with spruce again. ACS did a good job. That is a lot of cuts. There is a 4x8
> sheet of 1/16 ply under there they cut for me for the leading edge that I
> can install with very little work. Packing and shipping was less than $100.
> Should keep me busy for awhile!
>
> Can't wait to get started on the fuse. I have had it drawn for awhile. The
> drawing in the pic may be hard to see.
>
> Chuck "Charlie Bravo" in Raleigh
> NX989CB (closest I could get)
>
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: one more West Coast Pieter |
AHEM, Oscar, you wouldn't know of a hanger that might be coming availiable?
On the other hand Crap I was looking forward to thumbing a ride and giving you
a ride in a real plane GRIN.
Will you be coming back to San Antonio to visit?
I will be there about between OCT 1 and DEC1
Blue Skies,
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:01
Subject: Pietenpol-List: one more West Coast Pieter
>
>
> Well, folks- it's official. I'm soon to return to being a West Coast Pieter.
> We will be moving from TX to Medford, Oregon over Memorial Day holiday. Our
> house here in San Antonio is sold, I've given notice at work, and my start
> date at work with my old partners in Medford is June 6. Not
> sure when Scout will be making the trip, but probably late summer or early
> fall I'll fly commercial back to TX and then ferry the airplane "home" to
> Oregon. I'll be stopping along the way to visit with Piet folks all along
> the route back west along Interstate 10 and north along Interstate 5 (or the
> valley highway), playing Jim Markle with tool pilfering at hangars and shops
> all along the route, until Scout's front cockpit is so full we're over gross
;o)
>
> This has been a long time brewing, but we always knew we'd return to Oregon
> to retire (or whatever), and the time is now. So: look out all you guys
> over in Hanford, Cool, Sacramento, or wherever... because Scout and I will
> soon be coming to an airport near you ;o)
>
> More later, as plans develop. Meanwhile, I've got a lot of packing to do.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sterling's A-80 engine on Ebay |
Sterling has listed his overhauled A80 on ebay=2C item no. 260776845546:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=26077684554
6&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio=2C TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
Date: Fri=2C 29 Apr 2011 17:05:03 -0500
Subject: My A-80 engine on Ebay
From: sterlingintexas(at)gmail.com
Bidding starts at $1. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI
tem&item=260776845546&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT
I paid somewhere around $800 for the carb=2C $500 for the new cam...
Bandage came off today... Geeze=2C when did surgeons start going to Harbor
Freight for "stitching" supplies?
I have two areas where he carved into me. The melanoma is malignant and I f
ind out on May 9 what stage it is. I might take my travel trailer to Housto
n and park near MD Anderson Cancer Center for treatment. Come by and I'll g
rill you some salmon :)
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| Subject: | Re: one more West Coast Pieter |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
If you fly and get distracted by checking your flight/work schedule on your computer
and overshoot Medford by a couple hundred miles, you're always welcome in
Seattle....
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | good advice for test flights |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
Well it may be more for Crank snappers, but I just finished the first reading of
the Flight Operations Manual William Wynn sent be.though I stubbornly plodded
along without it through my first flights after being suggested by some that
I should get it. I am a true tightwad! Mr. Wynn gave me a call after some discussions
on the flycorvair site and we had a long and great visit over the phone.
he insisted on sending me a manual and did so. I am impressed with the knowledge
and stories from numerous builders in there and it covers so much more
than Corvair issues.great guidance on how and why to do certain things on each
flight and how to inspect and proceed to the next one.information on oil temperatures
and pressures, fuel systems and carburetor types and the problems they
can give.I will read it again. Raymond
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | one more West Coast Pieter |
We have good friends who live in Anacortes, WA and I do intend to fly up there
to visit sometime (he's a pilot as well). Another builder friend in Port
Angeles, WA and he has a cabin and dirt strip at his place, an excellent
base of operations if/when I go up to the big Arlington fly-in. We also have
friends and family with property and a cabin near Yamhill, Oregon and there is
a nifty sod/grass/dirt
strip very close to their place, the Flying M Ranch. I intend to fly my Piet
in to that strip at some point. And of course good friend Ernie Moreno is in
Independence, Oregon and a visit will be mandatory. I also intend to take some
sailplane instruction out of Montague, California (just across the CA/OR border
from where I'll be living), and what better way to get there than in the Piet.
Lots of fun stuff to do once I get the airplane up there. And no, Steve Dortch,
I will not be moving out of my hangar here at 8T8 anytime soon... too much junk
in there just yet. Maybe early 2012 though.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: good advice for test flightsh |
----- Original Message -----
From: skellytown flyer [mailto:skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 09:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: good advice for test flights
Well it may be more for Crank snappers, but I just finished the first reading of
the Flight Operations Manual William Wynn sent be.though I stubbornly plodded
along without it through my first flights after being suggested by some that
I should get it. I am a true tightwad! Mr. Wynn gave me a call after some discussions
on the flycorvair site and we had a long and great visit over the phone.
he insisted on sending me a manual and did so. I am impressed with the knowledge
and stories from numerous builders in there and it covers so much more
than Corvair issues.great guidance on how and why to do certain things on each
flight and how to inspect and proceed to the next one.information on oil temperatures
and pressures, fuel systems and carburetor types and the problems they
can give.I will read it again. Raymond
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
A friend sent me this.
http://scootermcrad.blogspot.com/2011/04/how-to-safety-wire.html
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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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| Subject: | Re: Determining cable exit holes |
| From: | "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> |
Speaking of choppers and steep banking... back in the mid '80's, I was on a SOTA
team (military intel special ops team)in 5th Special Forces Group out of Ft.
Bragg, NC (they've since moved to Ft. Campbell, Ky). We were practicing FAST
roping out of Blackhawks, which was typically done at 60ft above ground. The pilot
did a really steep bank of about 50-60 degrees at the last second as we were
throwing the ropes out and I came within a whisker of sliding backwards out
of the chopper. Only reason I'm here today is because of the safety strap that
was still across the opening caught me in the middle of my back as I was sliding
backwards out into the wild blue yonder... I've jumped out of many planes
and helicopters - but man - that one scared me.
Lorin
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Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| Subject: | Re: one more West Coast Pieter |
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
Oscar,
On your way to Anacortes and especially Port Angeles or perhaps to visit Jake,
stop in at Tacoma Narrows for fuel. Id be happy to meet you there and if my Piet
is flying by then, fly formation part of the way.
Seems theres always been a large Pietenpol contingency in the Northwest maybe
in 2014 we should all join with the West Coast Piets in Calf and fly across the
bumps to Brodhead for the 85th.
Anyway, welcome back.
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: one more West Coast Pieter |
I can help move the junk out! Ebay will do the rest. And you really shouldn't call
your plane junk!
Perhaps we will bump into each other when you are in the area.
Blue Skies,
STeve .
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011 5:30
Subject: Pietenpol-List: one more West Coast Pieter
>
>
> We have good friends who live in Anacortes, WA and I do intend to fly up there
> to visit sometime (he's a pilot as well). Another builder friend in Port
> Angeles, WA and he has a cabin and dirt strip at his place, an excellent
> base of operations if/when I go up to the big Arlington fly-in. We also have
> friends and family with property and a cabin near Yamhill, Oregon and there is
> a nifty sod/grass/dirt
> strip very close to their place, the Flying M Ranch. I intend to fly my Piet
> in to that strip at some point. And of course good friend Ernie Moreno is in
> Independence, Oregon and a visit will be mandatory. I also intend to take some
> sailplane instruction out of Montague, California (just across the CA/OR border
> from where I'll be living), and what better way to get there than in the Piet.
>
> Lots of fun stuff to do once I get the airplane up there. And no, Steve Dortch,
> I will not be moving out of my hangar here at 8T8 anytime soon... too much junk
> in there just yet. Maybe early 2012 though.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Cable exit hole location |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I made "maps" with paper, as someone else here suggested before. I found it
very difficult to even locate the holes in this paper pattern. I would ha
te to try to find the hole location in the finished fabric without these ma
ps.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
Took the Aeronca up yesterday. Was beautiful and warm here. Flew down to Ca
rrol County Airport and back. I need to get out more and explore this place
.
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
Well sports fans and aeroplane enthusiasts if all goes right & the TSA has
no problems with me, I should be moving NX895JR into a hangar at Lancaster
airport LNS to begin trial fitting wings & related assemblies together
on my wide glide Pietenpol airplane project. I am hoping to start the move
next weekend & begin the next phase of my build.
Among the many things I do not have yet, I still have no real name for her
or a good logo design I continue to build. I expect in 3 or so weeks to
order engine parts and begin the assembly of my mighty Lycoming 0235 C-1B
power plant.
Still looking for a set of mags if anyone knows of a pair for sale at a
reasonable price I could be interested. Currently have a set of Bendix shower
of sparks and no box or ignition system and harness to run them with so
still looking for that or a set of Slick alternatives. Anyone has or knows of
a set please contact me off line I am in the market for a useable ignition
system to spark up my Lycosauros.
Living the dream one day at a time!
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Aerial for sale |
| From: | "Wildman" <scrambler13(at)hotmail.com> |
I have a Pietenpol Aerial biplane for sale. Just finished with Airworthiness Cert.
The 40 hours have not been flown yet as I have never flown a tail wheel.
I can send pics to anyone that is interested. It has a Lycoming 0-290-G engine
with 217 hours, maule tail wheel, wing strobes, metal prop, starter, alternator,
1087 empty, 1700 gross. Call or e-mail me with any other questions at SCRAMBLER13(at)HOTMAIL.COM,
or 423-539-0527.
Wade
--------
Pietenpol Aerial
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey all. This is the last time I'll ask, (I promise.)
Will somebody please give me B&B airparts phone number?? The people who
have the great deals on turnbuckles..
Thanks!
Douwe
Progress report: landing gear done, new brakes, wheels with smooth
clinchers and cool world war I looking aluminum axle fairing. Almost done
chasing leaks on the new enlarged tiger moth type center section fuel tank
to accommodate the thirstier C-90. wiring pretty much in, just awaiting my
engine to come back from the rebuilder. Cowling pretty much done in
fiberglass, but have to finish it.
She's a comin'
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
They have a web now http://www.bbaircraftsupplies.com/homepage
Jack
DSM
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: BB turnbuckles
Hey all. This is the last time I'll ask, (I promise.)
Will somebody please give me B&B airparts phone number?? The people who
have the great deals on turnbuckles..
Thanks!
Douwe
Progress report: landing gear done, new brakes, wheels with smooth
clinchers and cool world war I looking aluminum axle fairing. Almost done
chasing leaks on the new enlarged tiger moth type center section fuel tank
to accommodate the thirstier C-90. wiring pretty much in, just awaiting my
engine to come back from the rebuilder. Cowling pretty much done in
fiberglass, but have to finish it.
She's a comin'
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
Members:
-
I am seeking photos of-linkage right behind the seat, called a walking be
am. Any photos of this linkage and photos of the attachment to the rear sti
ck would great!-
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What-part/connection-are members using-to allow for stick movement at
the walking beam attachment would be greatly-appreicated.
-
KMH
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
KM,
Is this what you are looking for?
1.jpg
Pilot Control Stick with Grip, 2.jpg
Gary Boothe
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide
CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Walking Beam
Members:
I am seeking photos of linkage right behind the seat, called a walking beam.
Any photos of this linkage and photos of the attachment to the rear stick
would great!
What part/connection are members using to allow for stick movement at the
walking beam attachment would be greatly appreicated.
KMH
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| Subject: | Re: Walking Beam |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Hi Ken,
Not sure if these will help, but I'll post them in case they might show what you're
looking for. Took these at Brodhead 2010. This is the plane that Steve
Chase(?) brought out in bare bones for all to see. This is a group project of
EAA Chapter 1279, and there were tons of details to be seen in this great display
of workmanship.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Aerial for sale |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Post some pics.
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Wildman wrote:
>
> I have a Pietenpol Aerial biplane for sale. Just finished with
> Airworthiness Cert. The 40 hours have not been flown yet as I have never
> flown a tail wheel. I can send pics to anyone that is interested. It has a
> Lycoming 0-290-G engine with 217 hours, maule tail wheel, wing strobes,
> metal prop, starter, alternator, 1087 empty, 1700 gross. Call or e-mail me
> with any other questions at SCRAMBLER13(at)HOTMAIL.COM, or 423-539-0527.
>
> Wade
>
> --------
> Pietenpol Aerial
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338594#338594
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: BB turnbuckles |
Douwe, I am most interested in the axle fairing. I am finally done with my
landing gear and brakes and was just starting to work on a fairing for the
axle. (My plan was to use thin plywood.) How did you attach the fairing to
the axle? I had thought about just letting the fairing hang loose and allow
the moving air to "right" it in flight. But maybe it would just flutter ar
ound.-
Thanks.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Aerial for sale |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
at7000ft wrote:
> Post some pics.
Lot of that going around today. [Laughing]
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | done next weekend |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Finally, 2 days of little stuff and I get my inspection.Runs like a top and taxis
great,just have to put her in the air.Been a fun 9 months but I have to get
going on the Mystery Ship.Can't wait to fly her,should be a hoot.
Dave
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taking to hangar
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Nice Piet People |
Kevin, Get'er done, I look forward to meeting you at Brodhead this year.
-
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: done next weekend |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Looking good Dave. Let us know how the inspection and first flight goes.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: done next weekend |
Gee, Dave. That's a cryin' shame. I'm really disappointed.
You missed your deadline by a whole 2 months!!!
;-)
Just in time to fly 'er to Alaska for the summer. Take a lot of
pictures and let us know how it goes!
Dan
PS. Congrats and good luck!
On 05/02/2011 06:23 PM, Dangerous Dave wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dangerous Dave"
>
> Finally, 2 days of little stuff and I get my inspection.Runs like a top and taxis
great,just have to put her in the air.Been a fun 9 months but I have to get
going on the Mystery Ship.Can't wait to fly her,should be a hoot.
> Dave
>
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> taking to hangar
>
>
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>
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: done next weekend |
Gee, Dave. That's a cryin' shame. I'm really disappointed.
You missed your deadline by a whole 2 months!!!
;-)
Just in time to fly 'er to Alaska for the summer. Take a lot of
pictures and let us know how it goes!
Dan
PS. Congrats and good luck!
On 05/02/2011 06:23 PM, Dangerous Dave wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dangerous Dave"
>
> Finally, 2 days of little stuff and I get my inspection.Runs like a top and taxis
great,just have to put her in the air.Been a fun 9 months but I have to get
going on the Mystery Ship.Can't wait to fly her,should be a hoot.
> Dave
>
> --------
> taking to hangar
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338672#338672
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: done next weekend |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Dave,
I'd enjoy seeing the new airplane and meeting you sometime. In fact,
if an extra set of hands or eyes would be helpful when you start doing
the first flights, please feel free to send a note. I'd be delighted
to be of assistance.
Where will your Piet be based? Will you be using the same airport for
the fly-off period?
My best, Ken (in Longmont)
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
> Gee, Dave. That's a cryin' shame. I'm really disappointed.
>
> You missed your deadline by a whole 2 months!!!
>
> ;-)
>
> Just in time to fly 'er to Alaska for the summer. Take a lot of pictures
> and let us know how it goes!
>
> Dan
>
> PS. Congrats and good luck!
>
> On 05/02/2011 06:23 PM, Dangerous Dave wrote:
>>
>>
>> Finally, 2 days of little stuff and I get my inspection.Runs like a top
>> and taxis great,just have to put her in the air.Been a fun 9 months but I
>> have to get going on the Mystery Ship.Can't wait to fly her,should be a
>> hoot.
>> Dave
>>
>> --------
>> taking to hangar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338672#338672
>>
>>
>>
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> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Corventure |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
All, I've posted a short video of the Corventure on Sunday that my son
and I, along with a Zenith builder, took to Rick Holland's home to see
and hear his Corvair running on the front of his nearly finished
Pietenpol. The link to the video of the engine running is at
http://youtu.be/Vm0QsmN0Ey0. I've got a couple of shorter videos that
I can upload if there is interest. It sure sounds nice! Cheers, Ken
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| Subject: | Re: done next weekend |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Very nice.....!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
| From: | "heavyliftpilot" <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
Hi, I'm looking at a steel tube fuselage for sale, but it's the standard length.
Does anyone know if that will work with a corvair motor (weight and balance)?
Thanks. james
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| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
You'll have to make the engine mount longer.
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On May 3, 2011, at 4:51 AM, "heavyliftpilot" wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm looking at a steel tube fuselage for sale, but it's the standard length.
Does anyone know if that will work with a corvair motor (weight and balance)?
Thanks. james
>
>
>
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>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338724#338724
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| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
| From: | james theissen <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Dan, do you know about how much longer? And could i also move
things fwd, like the battery, etc? thanks, james
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
> You'll have to make the engine mount longer.
>
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> yocum137(at)gmail.com
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
> On May 3, 2011, at 4:51 AM, "heavyliftpilot" wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi, I'm looking at a steel tube fuselage for sale, but it's the standard length.
Does anyone know if that will work with a corvair motor (weight and balance)?
Thanks. james
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338724#338724
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| Subject: | aluminum lower strut fitting |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Hey guys....
I made my struts yesterday using the same aluminum as a few others here.. i used
the 7075 bar in the upper end like Dan did.. looks great to me.. the lower end
i was trying to keep simple. no adjustable forks.. just a bolt thru install..
my thoughts to spread the load were as such..
aluminum bar 6 inches long with structural rivets to attach the bar to the inside
flats on the struts... that leave just enough room to slide this over the tabs
on the gear/strut attach point..
any thoughts ?
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: done next weekend |
| From: | "Mark M" <mmcfi(at)juno.com> |
Looks awesome Dave. I would love to come and watch those first flights as well.
I am sure the kids would be excited to see what the final product will be like.
If you would like a cheering squad just let us know the time and place.
Mark ( in Denver)
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| Subject: | Re: Nice Piet People |
| From: | "GliderMike" <glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com> |
When I decided I wanted to build an airplane, I picked the Piet, because it is
a stick and rag, open cockpit, airplane, with the antique look to it, which is
what I thought I wanted. I've been part of this group for about a year now.
This may sound corny, but, I don't there is a better group of people in the world
than Pietenpol owners and builders. Any time any of the group has a minor
(or major) setback or heartbreak, or any other problem, my heart goes out to
whoever is having problems. When someone has a major or minor accomplishment,
I share their pride with them. If I am still with my present employer when
Brodhead comes around this year, I'll be there, looking forward to meeting everyone
who is there. If I change employers, I'll try to work everything out,
so I can still go to Brodhead.Dan, if you sell your Piet, it very well could end
up being one of your life's regrets, with a major part of the regret being
you won't fell like as much a part of this group, as you are now. The only major
regrets in my life, have to do with selling aircraft I have owned. I don't
regret selling all of the ones I have owned, but there are 2 or 3 of them,
I really enjoyed, and still miss, sort of like losing a close friend. None of
the aircraft I miss, compare to the way I think I would feel, if I were no longer
a part of the Pietenpol group.
--------
HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey Michael,
As mentioned, my axle fairing (Jenny style) is fabricated from aluminum
sheet. Ply should work fine (did in World War I?)
I attached mine by welding three sets of tabs on the spreader bars to which
I bolted three aluminum "ribs" to which the rest of the structure rivets to.
The axle sits in a trough covered with a hinged flap, held down by some
light springs so the axle can come up to it's limit by just lifting the trap
door. During normal axle movement, I don't anticipate it hitting the door
at all, but we'll see.
The entire assembly weighs a bit under 3lbs and should reduce the drag from
the axle and spreader bars, and might provide a couple pounds of lift. All
that being said, I really did it because I thought it looked cool and I felt
the weigh penalty was likely canceled out by the drag reduction.
Can send pics if you like
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
I would say the opposite would be true, the long fuselage is 9 inches longer
at the tail plus the rear seat is a couple inches further back giving it the
greatest aft CG problems.
rick
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:10 AM, james theissen wrote:
> heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com>
>
> Hi Dan, do you know about how much longer? And could i also move
> things fwd, like the battery, etc? thanks, james
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Dan Yocum wrote:
> >
> > You'll have to make the engine mount longer.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > --
> > Dan Yocum
> > yocum137(at)gmail.com
> > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
> >
> > On May 3, 2011, at 4:51 AM, "heavyliftpilot"
> wrote:
> >
> heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Hi, I'm looking at a steel tube fuselage for sale, but it's the standard
> length. Does anyone know if that will work with a corvair motor (weight and
> balance)? Thanks. james
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338724#338724
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
| From: | james theissen <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
OK, now i'm really confused. I have a set of plans at the house that
i'll have to look at closely tonight. thanks, james
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Rick Holland wrote:
> I would say the opposite would be true, the long fuselage is 9 inches longer
> at the tail plus the rear seat is a couple inches further back giving it the
> greatest aft CG problems.
>
> rick
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:10 AM, james theissen
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Dan, do you know about how much longer? And could i also move
>> things fwd, like the battery, etc? thanks, james
>>
>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>> >
>> > You'll have to make the engine mount longer.
>> >
>> > Dan
>> >
>> > --
>> > Dan Yocum
>> > yocum137(at)gmail.com
>> > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>> >
>> > On May 3, 2011, at 4:51 AM, "heavyliftpilot"
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi, I'm looking at a steel tube fuselage for sale, but it's the
>> >> standard length. Does anyone know if that will work with a corvair motor
>> >> (weight and balance)? Thanks. james
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Read this topic online here:
>> >>
>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338724#338724
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| Subject: | Re: axle fairing |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Douwe,
Please post the pics for all of us. I'm curious to see if what you've
done could be adapted to my straight axle setup.
Cheers, Ken
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Douwe Blumberg
wrote:
> Hey Michael,
>
>
> As mentioned, my axle fairing (Jenny style) is fabricated from aluminum
> sheet. Ply should work fine (did in World War I?)
>
>
> I attached mine by welding three sets of tabs on the spreader bars to which
> I bolted three aluminum ribs to which the rest of the structure rivets
> to. The axle sits in a trough covered with a hinged flap, held down by some
> light springs so the axle can come up to its limit by just lifting the trap
> door. During normal axle movement, I dont anticipate it hitting the door
> at all, but well see.
>
>
> The entire assembly weighs a bit under 3lbs and should reduce the drag from
> the axle and spreader bars, and might provide a couple pounds of lift. All
> that being said, I really did it because I thought it looked cool and I felt
> the weigh penalty was likely canceled out by the drag reduction.
>
>
> Can send pics if you like
>
>
> Douwe
>
>
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| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
Hi James,
Confusion is a normal state of affairs on this list - if you doubt it
start looking through the archive ;). Seriously, though, the answer
to your question is "it depends". Mike Cuy has an A-65 on a standard
length wood fuselage, there are people with model A's on long
fuselages, corvairs on long and short fuse's, just about any
combination you can think of. It really depends on how YOU build the
plane. I'm sure that helps :).
Kip Gardner
On May 3, 2011, at 11:23 AM, james theissen wrote:
> >
>
> OK, now i'm really confused. I have a set of plans at the house that
> i'll have to look at closely tonight. thanks, james
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Rick Holland
> wrote:
>> I would say the opposite would be true, the long fuselage is 9
>> inches longer
>> at the tail plus the rear seat is a couple inches further back
>> giving it the
>> greatest aft CG problems.
>>
>> rick
>>
>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:10 AM, james theissen > >
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Dan, do you know about how much longer? And could i also move
>>> things fwd, like the battery, etc? thanks, james
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Dan Yocum
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You'll have to make the engine mount longer.
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dan Yocum
>>>> yocum137(at)gmail.com
>>>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty
>>>> things."
>>>>
>>>> On May 3, 2011, at 4:51 AM, "heavyliftpilot" >>> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, I'm looking at a steel tube fuselage for sale, but it's the
>>>>> standard length. Does anyone know if that will work with a
>>>>> corvair motor
>>>>> (weight and balance)? Thanks. james
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338724#338724
>>>>>
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>> Castle Rock, Colorado
>> NX6819Z
>>
>> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>>
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
OK, we're both right. Using the rear cabane fittings as the reference
point, the long fuse adds about 2.25" to the nose and a bunch more to
the tail, as Rick points out. So, depending on how you orient your
cabanes - straight up and down or slightly slanted back - it may or may
not require a longer motor mount.
James, if you haven't already, subscribe to the BPA newsletter and get
the last 2 or 3 issues ($4/issue if I recall correctly). There is some
GREAT info in those on weight and balance on Continental and Corvair
Pietenpols, compiled by Wm. Wynne this past reunion at Brodhead.
N8031 was built with the cabanes slightly tilted *forward* which
required a new motor mount to built in '99 that is 8" longer than the
original. She flies fine and the gent who did the work built a
beautiful cowl that does a good job of hiding the fact that the mount is
so long. Some Piets aren't so lucky and look like more like anteaters.
Bleh.
Good luck!
Dan
On 05/03/2011 10:12 AM, Rick Holland wrote:
> I would say the opposite would be true, the long fuselage is 9 inches
> longer at the tail plus the rear seat is a couple inches further back
> giving it the greatest aft CG problems.
>
> rick
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:10 AM, james theissen > wrote:
>
> >
>
> Hi Dan, do you know about how much longer? And could i also move
> things fwd, like the battery, etc? thanks, james
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Dan Yocum > wrote:
> >
> >
> > You'll have to make the engine mount longer.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > --
> > Dan Yocum
> > yocum137(at)gmail.com
> > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
> >
> > On May 3, 2011, at 4:51 AM, "heavyliftpilot"
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Hi, I'm looking at a steel tube fuselage for sale, but it's the
> standard length. Does anyone know if that will work with a corvair
> motor (weight and balance)? Thanks. james
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338724#338724
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>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
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>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Centerburg Pietenpol fly-in, camp out |
OK Feller's, I have got a few responses to the fly-in roster, as of now I h
ave 3 piets planning on making it, weather permitting, Skipp, Ed, And Steve
Emo.- Mike Cuy is a possible (not sure yet).- There will be other airp
lane types flying in as well.- I have about 6 weeks to get this thing rea
dy, food will be hot dogs, and pot luck dishes (my mother in law will be br
inging some home made goodies as well.- As last year, you are welcome to
fly in on friday afternoon, and camp out, hopefuly it will be dryer than it
was for Ed and Skipp (started raining as soon as they got the tents up.)
- The airport is named Champan Memorial Airport, 6CM is the ident, BUT, i
t might be OH0 (oscar hotel zero) if they did not update the change yet.-
Call for weather and get notams (just to be official, we went "public" las
t year due to power line plans at the end of the runway.- For those who w
ant to drive in send me an e-mail off list and I will give you directions,
address.
-
Shad
-
p.s.- If anyone talks to Don Emch, or Frank Pavliga send them an invite,
I have not been able to contact them, or any other pietenpol flyers in the
area for that matter.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: axle fairing |
Yes sir, pictures please!- I believe I understand your design, but pictur
es would clear up any misinterpretations. Very curious to see the trap door
mechanism.
My original plan was to fit the fairing only on the axle, between the sprea
der bars. If I remember my original measurements, from the forward face of
the axle to the forward face of the rear spreader bar I have around 6".
The more I think about it, I don't feel leaving this fairing loose to flop
in the breeze is a good idea. At this point, I am still trying to figure ou
t a way to get the fairing in place, (I have my band brake towers welded on
to the axle) and then prevent it from moving on the axle.- Still working
it out, I'll get there...
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | axle fairing thought |
Michael,
I would be seriously concerned about "free floating" a fairing on the axle.
That area is subjected to some major prop blast and I would be very worried
to failures due to the constant vibrations.
Douwe
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | aluminum lower strut fitting |
I would be afraid of rivets. Why not bolt through. This is the way its do
ne on seaplane struts. However=2C I am not an engineer=2C so you milage ma
y vary.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: aluminum lower strut fitting
> From: jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com
> Date: Tue=2C 3 May 2011 07:06:47 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
om>
>
> Hey guys....
> I made my struts yesterday using the same aluminum as a few others here..
i used the 7075 bar in the upper end like Dan did.. looks great to me.. th
e lower end i was trying to keep simple. no adjustable forks.. just a bolt
thru install..
>
> my thoughts to spread the load were as such..
>
> aluminum bar 6 inches long with structural rivets to attach the bar to th
e inside flats on the struts... that leave just enough room to slide this o
ver the tabs on the gear/strut attach point..
>
> any thoughts ?
>
> jeff
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338748#338748
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: axle fairing thought |
I concur!
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
--- On Tue, 5/3/11, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: axle fairing thought
Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 1:14 PM
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMichael, =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AI would be
seriously concerned about =9Cfree floating=9D=0Aa fairing on th
e axle.=C2- That area is subjected to some major prop blast and I=0Awould
be very worried to failures due to the constant vibrations. =0A=0A =C2-
=0A=0ADouwe =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
| From: | james theissen <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
Dan, yes, i have seen those 'anteater' piets...i agree totally. I
already have a corvair mount that was on a wooden fuse (now that i
think about it, i'm gonna have to see if it was a long or
short...pretty sure it was the longer fuse). So anyway, If i had to,
i suppose i could just have the 'tray' part of the motor mount moved
to accomadate any CG changes i might have to do. unless it is just
too much to move fwd. also, the steel tube fuse is much lighter to
begin with (compared to the wooden)....so that is another can of
worms..HMMMMM
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
> OK, we're both right. Using the rear cabane fittings as the reference
> point, the long fuse adds about 2.25" to the nose and a bunch more to the
> tail, as Rick points out. So, depending on how you orient your cabanes -
> straight up and down or slightly slanted back - it may or may not require a
> longer motor mount.
>
> James, if you haven't already, subscribe to the BPA newsletter and get the
> last 2 or 3 issues ($4/issue if I recall correctly). There is some GREAT
> info in those on weight and balance on Continental and Corvair Pietenpols,
> compiled by Wm. Wynne this past reunion at Brodhead.
>
> N8031 was built with the cabanes slightly tilted *forward* which required a
> new motor mount to built in '99 that is 8" longer than the original. She
> flies fine and the gent who did the work built a beautiful cowl that does a
> good job of hiding the fact that the mount is so long. Some Piets aren't so
> lucky and look like more like anteaters. Bleh.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Dan
>
> On 05/03/2011 10:12 AM, Rick Holland wrote:
>>
>> I would say the opposite would be true, the long fuselage is 9 inches
>> longer at the tail plus the rear seat is a couple inches further back
>> giving it the greatest aft CG problems.
>>
>> rick
>>
>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:10 AM, james theissen > > wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> Hi Dan, do you know about how much longer? And could i also move
>> things fwd, like the battery, etc? thanks, james
>>
>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Dan Yocum > > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > You'll have to make the engine mount longer.
>> >
>> > Dan
>> >
>> > --
>> > Dan Yocum
>> > yocum137(at)gmail.com
>> > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty
>> things."
>> >
>> > On May 3, 2011, at 4:51 AM, "heavyliftpilot"
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Hi, I'm looking at a steel tube fuselage for sale, but it's the
>> standard length. Does anyone know if that will work with a corvair
>> motor (weight and balance)? Thanks. james
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Read this topic online here:
>> >>
>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338724#338724
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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>> --
>> Rick Holland
>> Castle Rock, Colorado
>> NX6819Z
>>
>> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
But any worm can that add lightness is a good worm can.
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:06 PM, james theissen w
rote:
> heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com>
>
> Dan, yes, i have seen those 'anteater' piets...i agree totally. I
> already have a corvair mount that was on a wooden fuse (now that i
> think about it, i'm gonna have to see if it was a long or
> short...pretty sure it was the longer fuse). So anyway, If i had to,
> i suppose i could just have the 'tray' part of the motor mount moved
> to accomadate any CG changes i might have to do. unless it is just
> too much to move fwd. also, the steel tube fuse is much lighter to
> begin with (compared to the wooden)....so that is another can of
> worms..HMMMMM
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
> >
> > OK, we're both right. =E1Using the rear cabane fittings as the referenc
e
> > point, the long fuse adds about 2.25" to the nose and a bunch more to t
he
> > tail, as Rick points out. =E1So, depending on how you orient your caban
es -
> > straight up and down or slightly slanted back - it may or may not requi
re
> a
> > longer motor mount.
> >
> > James, if you haven't already, subscribe to the BPA newsletter and get
> the
> > last 2 or 3 issues ($4/issue if I recall correctly). =E1There is some G
REAT
> > info in those on weight and balance on Continental and Corvair
> Pietenpols,
> > compiled by Wm. Wynne this past reunion at Brodhead.
> >
> > N8031 was built with the cabanes slightly tilted *forward* which requir
ed
> a
> > new motor mount to built in '99 that is 8" longer than the original.
=E1She
> > flies fine and the gent who did the work built a beautiful cowl that do
es
> a
> > good job of hiding the fact that the mount is so long. =E1Some Piets ar
en't
> so
> > lucky and look like more like anteaters. =E1Bleh.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On 05/03/2011 10:12 AM, Rick Holland wrote:
> >>
> >> I would say the opposite would be true, the long fuselage is 9 inches
> >> longer at the tail plus the rear seat is a couple inches further back
> >> giving it the greatest aft CG problems.
> >>
> >> rick
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:10 AM, james theissen <
> heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> =E1 =E1>
> >>
> >> =E1 =E1Hi Dan, =E1do you know about how much longer? =E1And could i al
so move
> >> =E1 =E1things fwd, like the battery, etc? =E1 thanks, =E1james
> >>
> >> =E1 =E1On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Dan Yocum >> =E1 =E1> wrote:
> >> =E1 =E1>
> >> =E1 =E1 >
> >> =E1 =E1 > You'll have to make the engine mount longer.
> >> =E1 =E1 >
> >> =E1 =E1 > Dan
> >> =E1 =E1 >
> >> =E1 =E1 > --
> >> =E1 =E1 > Dan Yocum
> >> =E1 =E1 > yocum137(at)gmail.com
> >> =E1 =E1 > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty
> >> things."
> >> =E1 =E1 >
> >> =E1 =E1 > On May 3, 2011, at 4:51 AM, "heavyliftpilot"
> >> =E1 =E1> wr
ote:
> >> =E1 =E1 >
> >> =E1 =E1>
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
> >> =E1 =E1 >> Hi, I'm looking at a steel tube fuselage for sale, but it's
the
> >> =E1 =E1standard length. =E1Does anyone know if that will work with a c
orvair
> >> =E1 =E1motor (weight and balance)? =E1Thanks. =E1james
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
> >> =E1 =E1 >> Read this topic online here:
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
> >> =E1 =E1 >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338724#338724
> >> =E1 =E1 >>
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> >>
> >>
> >> =E1 =E1==========
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> >> --
> >> Rick Holland
> >> Castle Rock, Colorado
> >> NX6819Z
> >>
> >> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
> >>
> >> *
> >>
> >>
> >> *
> >
> > --
> > Dan Yocum
> > Fermilab =E1630.840.6509
> > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: axle fairing thought |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Another thought is to affix some sort of control linkage to the axle fairing and
use it for a pitch trim control, instead of adding a trim control to the elevators...
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338791#338791
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| Subject: | Re: Nice Piet People |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Shad, I believe there are plans for floats in one of the old Flying and Glider
manual reprints available though the EAA. I'm pretty sure I saw them in one of
the issues I bought last year.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338792#338792
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Corventure |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
The link didn't work for me either. So I just did a search on youtube using the
last eleven characters (Vm0QsmN0Ey0) of the link.
That worked.
Here's a new link that should take you there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm0QsmN0Ey0
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338816#338816
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Corventure |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Bill,
Thanks for the assist in reposting the link. It worked fine from my
Gmail account. Go figure.
As for the corvair experience itself, Rick's engine ran very smoothly.
It has a nice beefy roar when the throttle is opened wide. You might
think a 182 is taking off somewhere nearby.
What may not be as obvious in the video are all of the nice touches in
his workmanship on the airframe. He's got clever, unobtrusive locking
pins for his flop section. The little tabs for accessing spark plugs
are a brilliant idea. There are just lots of little things that add
up to a nicely crafted airplane.
My best, Ken
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Bill Church wrote:
>
> The link didn't work for me either. So I just did a search on youtube using the
last eleven characters (Vm0QsmN0Ey0) of the link.
> That worked.
> Here's a new link that should take you there.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm0QsmN0Ey0
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338816#338816
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
One of the salient points to take away from W. Wynne's analyses is that moving
the wing will allow almost any engine/fuselage combination to meet the c/g requirements.
I would think that the (slightly) lighter steel fuselage and a standard
Corvair engine mount would put the c/g well withing the adjustment range
of the cabanes.
If you're looking for a BIG head start on a Pietenpol, Dick Navrotil, Skip Gadd,
myself, and others built a long fuselage and a set of tail feathers at Sun N
Fun N Tornados this spring. It will be sold at Brodhead this summer to raise
money for the Brodhead EAA chapter. Dick has it up in Minn. It'll come with
a bunch of the fittings as well --control horns, tail feather attach fittings,
drag/antidrag wire fittings. Dick Navrotil and Doc Mosher were working out the
details of the marketing plan so they'd be the guys to contact if you're interested.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338818#338818
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Corventure |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
The problem was there was a period (.) sneaked in there at the end of the link.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338822#338822
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| From: | "Amsafetyc(at)gmail.com" <amsafetyc(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Nice Piet People |
I have a set of them. I actually got them and the article from eaa archive
research
Just don't ask me what I gif with the download
John
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Billy McCaskill <billmz(at)cox.net>
Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 19:07:43 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nice Piet People
Shad, I believe there are plans for floats in one of the old Flying and
Glider manual reprints available though the EAA. I'm pretty sure I saw them
in one of the issues I bought last year.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338792#338792
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
Well Said Dave
I have nothing to add to that, except that Jon Goldenbaum at Stits Poly
Fiber is going to donate 90' of fabric that will be offered seperatly.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor
>
>
> One of the salient points to take away from W. Wynne's analyses is that
> moving the wing will allow almost any engine/fuselage combination to meet
> the c/g requirements. I would think that the (slightly) lighter steel
> fuselage and a standard Corvair engine mount would put the c/g well
> withing the adjustment range of the cabanes.
>
> If you're looking for a BIG head start on a Pietenpol, Dick Navrotil, Skip
> Gadd, myself, and others built a long fuselage and a set of tail feathers
> at Sun N Fun N Tornados this spring. It will be sold at Brodhead this
> summer to raise money for the Brodhead EAA chapter. Dick has it up in
> Minn. It'll come with a bunch of the fittings as well --control horns,
> tail feather attach fittings, drag/antidrag wire fittings. Dick Navrotil
> and Doc Mosher were working out the details of the marketing plan so
> they'd be the guys to contact if you're interested.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338818#338818
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum lower strut fitting |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hey Jeff,
I am sure this will work. Those structural rivets will be just fine. With f
our struts the load is spread out. I would maybe tighten-down on the lower
strut attach bolts so there is no movement; no chance of elongation of alum
inum holes.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 9:10 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: aluminum lower strut fitting
>
Hey guys....
made my struts yesterday using the same aluminum as a few others here.. i
used
he 7075 bar in the upper end like Dan did.. looks great to me.. the lower e
nd i
as trying to keep simple. no adjustable forks.. just a bolt thru install..
my thoughts to spread the load were as such..
aluminum bar 6 inches long with structural rivets to attach the bar to the
nside flats on the struts... that leave just enough room to slide this over
the
abs on the gear/strut attach point..
any thoughts ?
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Nice Piet People |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Pete Bowers added floats to his fly-baby and ended up upside-down in lake Washington
(pilot error I believe... don't quote me) I knew.Pete and sure wish he was
still around to share Pietenpol stories......
So glad all of you are part of this grand group of people...
[/list]
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor |
| From: | james theissen <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for all the input guys! This site has been a great help! james
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Dick N wrote:
>
> Well Said Dave
> I have nothing to add to that, except that Jon Goldenbaum at Stits Poly
> Fiber is going to donate 90' of fabric that will be offered seperatly.
> Dick N.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:38 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Standard fuselage/corvair motor
>
>
>>
>>
>> One of the salient points to take away from W. Wynne's analyses is that
>> moving the wing will allow almost any engine/fuselage combination to meet
>> the c/g requirements. I would think that the (slightly) lighter steel
>> fuselage and a standard Corvair engine mount would put the c/g well withing
>> the adjustment range of the cabanes.
>>
>> If you're looking for a BIG head start on a Pietenpol, Dick Navrotil, Skip
>> Gadd, myself, and others built a long fuselage and a set of tail feathers at
>> Sun N Fun N Tornados this spring. It will be sold at Brodhead this summer
>> to raise money for the Brodhead EAA chapter. Dick has it up in Minn. It'll
>> come with a bunch of the fittings as well --control horns, tail feather
>> attach fittings, drag/antidrag wire fittings. Dick Navrotil and Doc Mosher
>> were working out the details of the marketing plan so they'd be the guys to
>> contact if you're interested.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338818#338818
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
I've never been able to post photos, so I forwarded some progress photos,
including some of the axle fairing, to Dan Yocum figuring he had both feet
firmly planted in the 21st century. (Dan, if you can't post photos either
would you forward them to someone who can?)
I'll be gone for the next few days.
Take care,
Douwe
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Rick Holland's outstanding looking and sounding Pietenpol |
in Colorado
I couldn't help but smile when watching this outstanding video of Rick Holl
and's Corvair-powered Pietenpol
video. (thank you Bill Church for the working link)
If you close your eyes after engine start and let your mind listen, Rick's
engine actually has the sound of a P-51
Rolls Royce Merlin engine in the lower RPM range. Magnificent Rick.
Rick's cockpit and instrument panels are incredibly clean looking without c
lutter or complexity and your workmanship
looks nothing short of impeccable !
And did I notice you wearing a color-coordinated long sleeved shirt Rick ?
Nice.
If you've never met Rick at Brodhead or Oshkosh he's a very unassuming type
who won't brag about the fact that he's
an FAA Certified Flight Instructor or about his professional accomplishment
s, yet he's been building for many years now
and attending Brodhead for a long time in the background-keeping at it, slo
wly but surely fabricating, learning, assembling,
and reaching for the bottom of the 9th when he'll get his Airworthiness Cer
tificate and start the second game of the
double header as starting pitcher when he starts flying his beautiful new P
ietenpol.
Stuff like this is why I haven't dropped off the list. Way cool.
Mike C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm0QsmN0Ey0
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Douwe's progress (fair warning - large images) |
I just got an email from Douwe this morning with some pictures of his
progress with the explicit instructions to post the images to the list.
Here they are.
As always, his work looks great. I'm really excited to see his finished
cowling, but I really like what I'm seeing.
Enjoy!
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | one more Douwe's progress |
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | more Douwe's progress |
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum lower strut fitting |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
I have some 3/16 rivets that have a shear rating of 1400 lbs..
with three on each side of each strut plus the bolt thru all three pieces
it looks like it would be ok.... don't want to screw this up
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Rick Holland's outstanding looking and sounding Pietenpol |
in
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Awesome Rick! I just sent my engine off to Roy's Garage last week. Can't wait
to get it running, but I've got a ways to go before I'm ready for it.
I really like that MGL Engine Management System. That is the first time I've seen
one in operation... what do you think if it? Any quirks, or does it work
as advertised?
Your project is looking great!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Corventure |
Great job, Rick
I remember the day we cranked the Vair up for the first time. I kinda scares
you a little to see that amount of power coming from that small package.
Good job, keep building. I'm still in envy of the view from your back porch.
When I flew near Castle Rock a while back, I thought about my visit to your
house several years ago.
Barry D
NX973BP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Corventure
-->
The link didn't work for me either. So I just did a search on youtube using
the last eleven characters (Vm0QsmN0Ey0) of the link.
That worked.
Here's a new link that should take you there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm0QsmN0Ey0
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338816#338816
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| Subject: | Re: Centerburg Pietenpol fly-in, camp out |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Hey Shad...
Sorry I've been a little distant. I've been so busy lately I haven't had much
time to check this! I would like to try to make it but it's a little tough for
me to commit to it right now. We may be on vacation then. If we aren't I would
like to make it. If I do I'll try really hard to have the Rudolph/Pavliga
Piet in tow! It really would be a great time!
P.S. Keep working on that Cuy guy!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Centerburg Pietenpol fly-in, camp out |
If there's a tailwind coming and going I'll be there too
Don :)
Kidding. We'll see how life is going that weekend and as always, I never can
confirm if I'm
going to a fly-in or not until the morning of intended departure, no matter what
the
forecast might be.
Keep working on Frankie Pavliga Don.
Wouldn't it be great if we had SIX Piets there for Shad and Gary Bell like we did
for the Taylorcraft
Fly-in in Alliance, OH last summer ??
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: one more Douwe's progress |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
All I can say is Wow, I hope I get to see the finished product in person
some day.
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Corventure |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Berry, just need some paint on the wings and the 5th bearing now.
rick
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Barry Davis wrote:
>
> Great job, Rick
>
> I remember the day we cranked the Vair up for the first time. I kinda
> scares
> you a little to see that amount of power coming from that small package.
> Good job, keep building. I'm still in envy of the view from your back
> porch.
> When I flew near Castle Rock a while back, I thought about my visit to your
> house several years ago.
>
> Barry D
> NX973BP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Church
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:10 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Corventure
>
> -->
>
> The link didn't work for me either. So I just did a search on youtube using
> the last eleven characters (Vm0QsmN0Ey0) of the link.
> That worked.
> Here's a new link that should take you there.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm0QsmN0Ey0
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338816#338816
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Rick Holland's outstanding looking and sounding Pietenpol |
in Colorado
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the kind words Mikey, and yes fortunately my taste in choosing
aircraft colors is superior to my taste in clothing. 9th inning 3-2 count,
here comes the pitch with just wing paint and a 5th bearing to go.
rick
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] wrote:
>
> I couldn=92t help but smile when watching this outstanding video of Rick
> Holland=92s Corvair-powered Pietenpol
> video. (thank you Bill Church for the working link)
>
> If you close your eyes after engine start and let your mind listen, Rick
=92s
> engine actually has the sound of a P-51
> Rolls Royce Merlin engine in the lower RPM range. Magnificent Rick.
>
> Rick=92s cockpit and instrument panels are incredibly clean looking witho
ut
> clutter or complexity and your workmanship
> looks nothing short of impeccable !
>
> And did I notice you wearing a color-coordinated long sleeved shirt Rick
> ? Nice.
>
> If you=92ve never met Rick at Brodhead or Oshkosh he=92s a very unassumin
g type
> who won=92t brag about the fact that he=92s
> an FAA Certified Flight Instructor or about his professional
> accomplishments, yet he=92s been building for many years now
> and attending Brodhead for a long time in the background=97keeping at it,
> slowly but surely fabricating, learning, assembling,
> and reaching for the bottom of the 9th when he=92ll get his Airworthiness
> Certificate and start the second game of the
> double header as starting pitcher when he starts flying his beautiful new
> Pietenpol.
>
> Stuff like this is why I haven=92t dropped off the list. Way cool.
>
> Mike C.
>
> *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm0QsmN0Ey0*
ch?v=Vm0QsmN0Ey0>
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: one more Douwe's progress |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
That is the most awesome Pietenpol cowling ever! Mein gott!
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
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| Subject: | Re: one more Douwe's progress |
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rick Holland's outstanding looking and sounding Pietenpol |
in Colorado
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| Subject: | Douwe's Progress |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Wow!!
Douwe, this airplane is surely in a class by itself, artistically speaking.
I don't think I have ever seen a homebuilt with this type of high-class ar
twork and attention to detail. I REALLY like the anti-rotation axle gizmo-m
ethod you have devised!! I am sure it will work. Are you related to Rube Go
ldberg? White tires......very cool.
We are going to have to create a whole new parking row for you at Brodhead.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: one more Douwe's progress |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Well, it looks as though the dreary prospect of rebuilding his Piet has really
taken its toll on Douwe's creativity and enthusiasm.
Just kidding.
WOW! That is a wild Art Deco cowling design you've come up with.
And white tires. Where do you get this stuff?
Really eager to see how this one turns out.
Hopefully the completion date isn't connected to the "hood ornament" (when pigs
fly).
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Douwe's progress |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hey Douwe,
What is the purpose of the extra washer-like plate that is lined-up with th
e rear spreader bar (under the nuts)?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Nice Piet People |
http://www.ultralightfloats.com/Float_plans.htm
Clif
What is a muk-tuk?
Shad
Shad
I have set of Muk tuc plans but I dont know how to transfer
them to e mail, I could bring them to Brodhead or make a copy for you.
Dick
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| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-REEy1lfg34&feature=player_detailpage
--------
taking to hangar
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| Subject: | Re: done next weekend |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Wow. Hard to believe that you could go from start to finish in just nine months!
Why, some people have been known to take longer than that just to build their ribs...
(right, Gary?).
Just wondering, Dave - As I recall, you've got an O-235 on your Piet, yet it looks
as though you extended the motor mount considerably. Was that necessitated
by W&B? Did your construction end up tail heavy, or is your plane just set up
for a more "full figured" pilot?
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: done next weekend |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Bill,The O 235 doesn't weigh that much,I built the long fuselage and covered it
with Ceconite 101 and the full Stewart systems system.The whole plane is under
800# and I made the motor mount last.I only weigh in at 185 in flying mode but
I want my CG at 16.5 full of fuel and 18 empty thus the 17" motor mount.Also
a 300#er could fly it if he could fit.
dave
--------
taking to hangar
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum lower strut fitting |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Here is the result of riveting the reinforcements in...
i made up a test piece with only one rivet..its tough
the space between the 3/4 x 1/4 aluminum is just enough to slide over the tabs
on the gear mount.... i think i like it
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: done next weekend |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Okay, after taking another look at your photos, it looks as though your cabanes
are vertical (no rearward tilt). That would account for the need for a long motor
mount. Sounds like your CG range is very small (no doubt thanks to a wing
tank, rather than a nose tank) and well within acceptable limits.
The weight of your Piet sounds a little on the heavy side, but you've got lots
of power available to compensate with.
Good luck with the test flights.
Bill C.
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: aluminum lower strut fitting |
Jeff:
It certainly passes the "That looks about right." test.
Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "bender" 5/5/2011 9:08 AM >>>
Here is the result of riveting the reinforcements in...
i made up a test piece with only one rivet..its tough
the space between the 3/4 x 1/4 aluminum is just enough to slide over the
tabs on the gear mount.... i think i like it
jeff
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| Subject: | Pietenpol floats... |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
A follow-up on a previous thread, there is a 1933 F&GM on ebay with details on
the Pietenpol floats.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1933-146pg-Homebuilders-Pub-Pietenpol-Baby-Ace-Longster-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2eb4d9aa7aQQitemZ200602659450QQptZMotorsQ5fAviationQ5fPartsQ5fGear
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol floats... |
I wouldnt go with that old style of floats. They arent long enough to give
the plane stability on the water.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol floats...
>
>
> A follow-up on a previous thread, there is a 1933 F&GM on ebay with
> details on the Pietenpol floats.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1933-146pg-Homebuilders-Pub-Pietenpol-Baby-Ace-Longster-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2eb4d9aa7aQQitemZ200602659450QQptZMotorsQ5fAviationQ5fPartsQ5fGear
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339007#339007
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2443_80_183.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2442_79_186.jpg
>
>
>
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: more Douwe's progress |
Dan,
Please advise where tire purchased and size. I love the white tire look!
KMHeide
--- On Wed, 5/4/11, Dan Yocum wrote:
> From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: more Douwe's progress
> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
> Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 10:40 AM
>
> -- Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of
> petty things."
>
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol floats... |
just to stop any of you=2C I just bid on this book=2C so please do not run
it up on me! Birthday gift to myself.
Gene
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol floats...
> From: flight.jake(at)gmail.com
> Date: Thu=2C 5 May 2011 08:12:46 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
m>
>
> A follow-up on a previous thread=2C there is a 1933 F&GM on ebay with det
ails on the Pietenpol floats.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1933-146pg-Homebuilders-Pub-Pietenpol-Baby
-Ace-Longster-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2eb4d9aa7aQQitemZ200602659450QQpt
ZMotorsQ5fAviationQ5fPartsQ5fGear
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator=2C
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK=2C it's just my home)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339007#339007
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2443_80_183.jpg
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol floats... |
Not unless you agree to share your win with us all!
John
In a message dated 5/5/2011 12:38:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
generambo(at)msn.com writes:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1933-146pg-Homebuilders-Pub-Pietenpol-Baby-Ac
e-Longster-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2eb4d9aa7aQQitemZ200602659450QQptZMot
orsQ5fAviationQ5fPartsQ5fGear
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| Subject: | Re: done next weekend |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Bill,I have 21 gallons in the nose and 10 in the wing.dave
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol floats... |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
You probably already know this, and I assume that you are after the original print...
but you can get these magazines from EAA or Aircraft Spruce. I've got
a copy of each year... really neat reading. I hope you win!
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/bvpages/eaa_flying_glidermanuals.php
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: more Douwe's progress |
I'm just Douwe's bridge to the 21st century, delivering his photos to
the list.
Douwe will have to answer your question on where he got his tires.
Cheers,
Dan
On 05/05/2011 11:23 AM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
>
>
> Dan,
>
> Please advise where tire purchased and size. I love the white tire look!
>
> KMHeide
>
> --- On Wed, 5/4/11, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
>> From: Dan Yocum<yocum(at)fnal.gov>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: more Douwe's progress
>> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
>> Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 10:40 AM
>>
>> -- Dan Yocum
>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of
>> petty things."
>>
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol floats... |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Ah, of course... I'm sure he knows that they were available in reprint. I really
didn't notice that it was Gene who was making the bid... I actually thought
it was Jake making a follow up comment.
Either way, you guys know you can get these at Aricraft Spruce for $6.95, right?
[Laughing]
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339028#339028
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| Subject: | Re: more Douwe's progress |
| From: | "womenfly2" <keriannprice(at)hotmail.com> |
http://store.cokertire.com/tire-styles/bias-ply-tires/smooth.html?adjclear=true&p=2
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339029#339029
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol floats... |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
but there is something about an original...!
I have the 1932 F&GM - original and reprint. There are actually quite a number
of differences, mostly page layout, etc... but there IS content in the original
that is not in the reprints.
I don't think I'd use these floats either, but it's interesting from a historical
perspective....
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339030#339030
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Douwe,
Great choice of tires. Not so sure it was a good idea to reveal it so soon
though. Gene Rambo is probably going to steal your idea and show up at Brod
head the day before you get there. Fair warning.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
I have made flight reservations for Brodhead, and am offering to share the
rental car I have reserved. I will be arriving mid-day on Wednesday and
leaving noonish on Sunday. Anyone interested in riding with me?
Gary Boothe
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead '11 |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Don't care to ride with you....but I will provide some good Scotch ;-)
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Gboothe5 wrote:
> I have made flight reservations for Brodhead, and am offering to share
> the rental car I have reserved. I will be arriving mid-day on Wednesday and
> leaving noonish on Sunday. Anyone interested in riding with me?
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
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