Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-kk
May 05, 2011 - May 21, 2011
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
Oscar
If you can find some piets with pilots and guts, it's only 44 miles from
the Red sea coast to Mecca IF we can BORROW a U S Navy baby carrier from
WWII, Lord have Mercy, couldn't we have fun and create some moving diplomacy.
I
am inviting myself as a bombardier in your front seat. That would bring
ALL our troops home, cut the defense budgit by 70%, make those politicos face
facts, eliminate all foreign aid and welfare, but don't touch my SS.
Am I a dreamer or what. Be sure the Piets have their wings filled with moth
balls for the short flights over that red water, I don't think it will
part for a Piet.
CMC an old Peeter coming back to life
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: aluminum lower strut fitting |
Jeff,
Will you have to carve out the edge for the wing strut x wires to clear?
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 9:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum lower strut fitting
Here is the result of riveting the reinforcements in...
i made up a test piece with only one rivet..its tough
the space between the 3/4 x 1/4 aluminum is just enough to slide over the
tabs on the gear mount.... i think i like it
jeff
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/strut_209.jpg
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol floats... |
somebody smoked me at the last minute. I hope you choke on it!!
Gene =3B)
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol floats...
> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
> Date: Thu=2C 5 May 2011 11:33:02 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
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> Ah=2C of course... I'm sure he knows that they were available in reprint.
I really didn't notice that it was Gene who was making the bid... I actual
ly thought it was Jake making a follow up comment.
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> Either way=2C you guys know you can get these at Aricraft Spruce for $6.9
5=2C right? [Laughing]
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> Mark Chouinard
> Wings=2C Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: The Perfect Day |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Gary that sounds like a perfect week at Piet speeds!
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Last Control Horn |
How come it is that the last one is the best, and easiest? Start-to-finish;
tracing, cutting, cleaning edges, bending, welding.under 30 minutes! Now I
wish I had more to do.
Gary
In beautiful Cool, Ca.
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| Subject: | Re: Rick Holland's outstanding looking and sounding |
Pietenpol in
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
It works great Mark, weights a couple ounces and cost me $200. The only
thing wrong with it is it doesn't fit in with the vintage theme (like my
electric trim and white socks and sandals) and its only a single gauge (most
builders like lots of gauges).
On the positive side besides weight and cost it leaves plenty of instrument
panel room for my comm radio and gps instead of having them hanging all over
the cockpit. I also includes hobbs, volt meter, flight timer, caches the min
and max readings of all sensors, and allows setting min/max for all sensors
and turns on the red light if anything goes out of limits.
Wiring is very simple also, just a couple DB-9 computer type plugs into the
back of the thing.
rick
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:55 AM, K5YAC wrote:
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> Awesome Rick! I just sent my engine off to Roy's Garage last week. Can't
> wait to get it running, but I've got a ways to go before I'm ready for it.
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> I really like that MGL Engine Management System. That is the first time
> I've seen one in operation... what do you think if it? Any quirks, or does
> it work as advertised?
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> Your project is looking great!
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> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338887#338887
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol floats... |
There's a reason floats are now V bottomed.
Those flat ones stick to the water longer, even
with a step.
Clif
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> I wouldnt go with that old style of floats. They arent long enough to
> give the plane stability on the water.
> Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Rick Holland's outstanding looking and sounding Pietenpol |
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Yep, that's cool... definitely on my list.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Last Control Horn |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
You could do a few for me [Laughing]
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John
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339081#339081
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| Subject: | Stewart Warner Fuel gauge help please! |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Im planning my instruments at the moment and looking at the Stewart Warner Wings
fuel tank quantity gauges. There are two models the 82472 and the 82494 from
Summit Racing. I am comparing the two and the only difference I can see is one
has a different ohms rating than the other one. Looking through the West Coast
Piets site a couple of the planes are using these but I cant work out which
one is right and why the difference in ohms? One says 0 ohms empty, 90 ohms full
& the other 240 ohms empty, 33 ohms full. Looking at what sender units each
has, they are different too.
Can some one please humour me if you would and explain what these mean and which
one I will need? I will be using it in a fuel tank in the nose. I assume these
sender units are compatible with 100LL?
Scotty :?
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 15 Ribs built...
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339083#339083
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| Subject: | Better to have a Volt or an Amp gauge? |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
As the heading states, if you could only have one of these, which one is better
and more useful? Im thinking the Volt Gauge as im using the John Deere setup
which has the charge light. Maybe its better to have both?
Scotty :?
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 15 Ribs built...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339084#339084
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| Subject: | Re: Better to have a Volt or an Amp gauge? |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
Well I favor a Volt gage because it should be showing the actual state of charge
your system has. an Amp gage is more old school at least in automobiles and
probably looks a little more old fashioned but it only shows whether the battery
is getting charged or dis-charged at the time. not how much is available.at
least that is the way I understand it Raymond
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339085#339085
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Better to have a Volt or an Amp gauge? |
Scott,
If you're only going to have one of them, IMO it would be better to have a voltmeter
as long as it reads accurately enough to distinguish between the battery's
nominal voltage and the charging voltage. That tells you if the charging system
is working properly.
Regards,
John F.
Richmond, TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: bubbleboy <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
>Sent: May 6, 2011 5:35 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Better to have a Volt or an Amp gauge?
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>As the heading states, if you could only have one of these, which one is better
and more useful? Im thinking the Volt Gauge as im using the John Deere setup
which has the charge light. Maybe its better to have both?
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>Scotty :?
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>Scotty
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>Tamworth, Australia
>Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
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>www.scottyspietenpol.com
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>Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 15 Ribs built...
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>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339084#339084
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| Subject: | Re: Better to have a Volt or an Amp gauge? |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Thanks guys....so really to differentiate between the nominal and charging voltage,
when I turn the key to acc/on before starting the engine, it should read
slightly lower than when the engine is running and the battery is being charged?
I was going to have both but now want to fit a fuel gauge so one will need to go.
Looks like the Amp gauge!
Scotty
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 15 Ribs built...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339088#339088
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| Subject: | Re: Last Control Horn |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
I tried before but couldn't get the form to work.
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John
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Last Control Horn |
You may not have an Excel program to open it. If you wish to be on the
directory, it asks for the following:
First Name
Last Name
Street
City
State
Zip
Country
Home Base
Occupation
Employer
Wk Phone
Home Phone
Cell
Primary Email
Piet Model
Engine
N Number
Flying? Y/N
Web Site
Project Status
Comments
I understand that Jack also asks for your SS# and mother's maiden name, but
none of us are buying into that...
If you want to, you can just reply with as much info as you want, and I'll
add you to the list and update Jack.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 5:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Last Control Horn
I tried before but couldn't get the form to work.
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John
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| Subject: | Re: Better to have a Volt or an Amp gauge? |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Add my vote to the ones for voltmeter. As you mentioned, when the master switch
is first turned on and the engine not running, the voltmeter should read about
12.6v. Lead/acid battery cells each provide 2.1v per cell times 6 = 12.6.
With the engine running normally, the system voltage should be at least 13.5v.
Any voltmeter you get MUST be accurate and able to discern one from the other.
Many of the automotive ones read 0-18v and don't have the accuracy or the
ability to tell the difference between the two critical ranges.
Another advantage of the voltmeter is if the charging system dies, you have an
idea of when the ignition system is going to make the big fan stop. Since you
mention the John Deere alternator, I presume you are doing Corvair power. One
of the advantages of the plain old points/condenser ignition system is that
it'll provide a usable spark well below 9v.
Yet another is simplicity of installation. The voltmeter can be connected almost
anywhere on the switched side of the master and neither shunt nor thick wires
are required as would be the case for the ammeter.
In its favor, an ammeter in the generator feed line (actually a load meter, a la
Piper) WILL tell you if you have an abnormal load from a misbehaving/shorted
piece of electrics that could precede the nasty F word, you know, the one that
rhymes with wire. A properly designed and protected electrical system should
minimize the danger from electrical fire but we all know Murphy's Law has not
been repealed. Also with an ammeter in the battery line (with plus/minus indications)
it's REALLY easy to tell which way the current is flowing. Any current
from the battery to the electrical system is bad so a quick glance is all
that's needed in the cross check.
Either one will work but the critical thing is being able to properly interpret
the indications.
Dave Aldrich
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339115#339115
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Last Control Horn |
John, the populated list can also be shared in PDF format which you should
be able to open.
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 7:58 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Last Control Horn
You may not have an Excel program to open it. If you wish to be on the
directory, it asks for the following:
First Name
Last Name
Street
City
State
Zip
Country
Home Base
Occupation
Employer
Wk Phone
Home Phone
Cell
Primary Email
Piet Model
Engine
N Number
Flying? Y/N
Web Site
Project Status
Comments
I understand that Jack also asks for your SS# and mother's maiden name, but
none of us are buying into that...
If you want to, you can just reply with as much info as you want, and I'll
add you to the list and update Jack.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 5:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Last Control Horn
I tried before but couldn't get the form to work.
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John
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339100#339100
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| Subject: | Re: Better to have a Volt or an Amp gauge? |
| From: | "bradandlinda tds.net" <bradandlinda(at)tds.net> |
Re voltmeter. I put a small motorcycle voltmeter in my
radio/intercom/battery/recharger kit. It displays voltage to .01v and has
an easy to read bright red display. It measures 1X11/2" and about 1" deep.
It works great and only cost about $40. I don't remember where I got it,
but if you can't find it on Google, let me know and I'll look for the
paperwork. Speaking of Murphey's Law, did you hear, they just found out
that it was named after the wrong person!
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 10:06 AM, dgaldrich wrote:
> dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
>
> Add my vote to the ones for voltmeter. As you mentioned, when the master
> switch is first turned on and the engine not running, the voltmeter should
> read about 12.6v. Lead/acid battery cells each provide 2.1v per cell times
> 6 = 12.6. With the engine running normally, the system voltage should be at
> least 13.5v. Any voltmeter you get MUST be accurate and able to discern one
> from the other. Many of the automotive ones read 0-18v and don't have the
> accuracy or the ability to tell the difference between the two critical
> ranges.
>
> Another advantage of the voltmeter is if the charging system dies, you have
> an idea of when the ignition system is going to make the big fan stop.
> Since you mention the John Deere alternator, I presume you are doing
> Corvair power. One of the advantages of the plain old points/condenser
> ignition system is that it'll provide a usable spark well below 9v.
>
> Yet another is simplicity of installation. The voltmeter can be connected
> almost anywhere on the switched side of the master and neither shunt nor
> thick wires are required as would be the case for the ammeter.
>
> In its favor, an ammeter in the generator feed line (actually a load meter,
> a la Piper) WILL tell you if you have an abnormal load from a
> misbehaving/shorted piece of electrics that could precede the nasty F word,
> you know, the one that rhymes with wire. A properly designed and protected
> electrical system should minimize the danger from electrical fire but we all
> know Murphy's Law has not been repealed. Also with an ammeter in the
> battery line (with plus/minus indications) it's REALLY easy to tell which
> way the current is flowing. Any current from the battery to the electrical
> system is bad so a quick glance is all that's needed in the cross check.
>
> Either one will work but the critical thing is being able to properly
> interpret the indications.
>
> Dave Aldrich
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339115#339115
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum lower strut fitting |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
i've seen that done on others... dan's piet has a cut out... but i was thinking...why
not attach the strap to the cable to one of the 1/4 bolts going thru the
insert on the upper part of the strut... does a 3/16 cable need to attach to
the 5/16 bolt ?? it would serve the same connected to the next bolt down...then
no cutting
jeff
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
No. Real Pietenpol people arrive by airplane.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:04 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead '11
I have made flight reservations for Brodhead, and am offering to share the
rental car I have reserved. I will be arriving mid-day on Wednesday and
leaving noonish on Sunday. Anyone interested in riding with me?
Gary Boothe
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Last Control Horn |
Geez Gary...I take few to complete my piet.
=C2-
KMHeide
=C2-
--- On Thu, 5/5/11, Gboothe5 wrote:
From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn
Date: Thursday, May 5, 2011, 8:35 PM
How come it is that the last one is the best, and easiest? Start-to-finish;
tracing, cutting, cleaning edges, bending, weldingunder 30 minute
s! Now I wish I had more to do
=C2-
Gary
In beautiful Cool, Ca.
=C2-
=C2-
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Last Control Horn |
Which ones do you need?
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide
CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn
Geez Gary...I take few to complete my piet.
KMHeide
--- On Thu, 5/5/11, Gboothe5 wrote:
From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn
Date: Thursday, May 5, 2011, 8:35 PM
How come it is that the last one is the best, and easiest?
Start-to-finish; tracing, cutting, cleaning edges, bending,
weldingunder 30 minutes! Now I wish I had more to do
Gary
In beautiful Cool, Ca.
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum lower strut fitting |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jeff,
This sounds like it would work to me. I would be comfortable with that set-
up.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 1:53 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum lower strut fitting
>
i've seen that done on others... dan's piet has a cut out... but i was
hinking...why not attach the strap to the cable to one of the 1/4 bolts goi
ng
hru the insert on the upper part of the strut... does a 3/16 cable need to
ttach to the 5/16 bolt ?? it would serve the same connected to the next bol
t
own...then no cutting
jeff
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| From: | "Mark M" <mmcfi(at)juno.com> |
I have been trying to decide the best ( and cheapest) way to order my plywood.
I would like to get all of it at the same time because of the shipping costs.
I noticed that Boulter has the Okume in 1/16, 1/8 and 1/4 and would like to buy
it all from them all at once. I think they are cheaper than AS&S from what
I can calculate. So 2 questions,
1. Would 1/16th Okume by accecptable for wing ribs. Web site says water and boil
proof in all sizes. But is the strength enough?
2. Here is what I am thinking of ordering. Any other suggestions?
1/16th One and a half sheets to cover the leading edge and gussets for
the ribs.
1/8th 2 full sheets for remaining gussets, fuselage sides,
seat backs, and turtle decks.
1/4 full sheet for fuselage floor and seat bottoms.
What do you think?
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Last Control Horn |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Gary and Jack, I can open it but can't add myself. Here is my info. John Francis
3370 Miller Rd. Russia, OH 45363 USA semi-retired Home ph 937 526-5800 cell
ph 937 417 1642 email mrkringles(at)msn.com aircamper corvair not flying.....have
completed ribs, working on center section and engine, will be at corvair college
in hillsdale, MI
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John
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Last Control Horn |
All of them...
=C2-
I am starting to make them with very little success.
=C2-
--- On Fri, 5/6/11, Gboothe5 wrote:
From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn
Date: Friday, May 6, 2011, 7:00 PM
Which ones do=C2- you need?
=C2-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn
=C2-
Geez Gary...I take few to complete my piet.
=C2-
KMHeide
=C2-
--- On Thu, 5/5/11, Gboothe5 wrote:
From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn
Date: Thursday, May 5, 2011, 8:35 PM
How come it is that the last one is the best, and easiest? Start-to-finish;
tracing, cutting, cleaning edges, bending, weldingunder 30 minute
s! Now I wish I had more to do
=C2-
Gary
In beautiful Cool, Ca.
=C2-
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Plywood Order |
Sounds about right to me. I used okoume for mine, but used aircraft
grade birch for the wing rib gussets, bought in one 2x4 sheet from
aircraft spruce. the birch plywood for my wing spar gussets was bought
at a local hobby shop. Don't forget to sand your plywood to rough it up
before gluing it.
On 5/7/2011 10:55 AM, Mark M wrote:
Ben Charvet
Titusville,fl
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mark M"
>
> I have been trying to decide the best ( and cheapest) way to order my plywood.
I would like to get all of it at the same time because of the shipping costs.
I noticed that Boulter has the Okume in 1/16, 1/8 and 1/4 and would like to
buy it all from them all at once. I think they are cheaper than AS&S from what
I can calculate. So 2 questions,
>
> 1. Would 1/16th Okume by accecptable for wing ribs. Web site says water and
boil proof in all sizes. But is the strength enough?
>
> 2. Here is what I am thinking of ordering. Any other suggestions?
>
> 1/16th One and a half sheets to cover the leading edge and gussets for
the ribs.
>
> 1/8th 2 full sheets for remaining gussets, fuselage
sides, seat backs, and turtle decks.
>
> 1/4 full sheet for fuselage floor and seat bottoms.
> What do you think?
> Mark
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339187#339187
>
>
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| From: | Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
I know a guy rebuilding a 'standard biplane' I'm pretty sure his wheels have
white tires I'll ask him where he found them!
Sent from my iPhone
On May 5, 2011, at 3:13 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Douwe,
>
> Great choice of tires. Not so sure it was a good idea to reveal it so soon
though. Gene Rambo is probably going to steal your idea and show up at Brod
head the day before you get there. Fair warning.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | thanks and answers |
Hey all,
I'm back in town, and thanks for the kind words. It's nice to see some
progress, and thanks Dan for posting the pics for me. Kinda humbling when
Dave can build entirely in nine months though.
To answer the tire questions. These are actually "grey" not white. Both
Universal and Coker tires offer them. There are different kinds.
Motorcycle tires with ribs or buttons, but these are actually "smooth
clinchers". I like the vintage look of the smooth tire and the fact that
there's no tread, but they are a bit large (22" rims). I personally LOVE a
large wheel on an old plane, but I'm sure it's not for everybody. Clinchers
are also a different breed of cat. Clincher tires were used through world
war one and on Model T's. They are also called "high pressure" tires as
they are dependant on a fair amount of tire pressure to keep the bead jammed
up against the rim to hold it in.
Dan, that "washer" is actually a testament to my laziness and is simply the
remains of my old anti-rotation device which didn't survive the smash up
well. Those nuts are so hard to get back into the spreader bar I just cut
them off and left that piece there.
I think she'll be pretty cool looking, but the finish quality of my work
doesn't begin to approach a lot of you guys, especially with all the old
bolt holes etc from the rebuild. It is nice though, second time around, I'm
a bit more focused on "flying" so I have more of a plow through it mentality
and am not wasting time on the small stuff (except for maybe the flying pig)
Douwe
Ps. Dan, you're right!! Gene'll be flying up this July in his black and
yellow special with a beautiful new set of white wheels!!
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| Subject: | Re: Plywood Order |
| From: | Bill Princell <weprincell(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Mark:
I bought some 1/16" Okume from Boulter a couple of years ago for my rib
gussets and ended up not using it. I think it is too soft and not as strong
as Mahogany or Birch. I would use Mahogany or Birch. Both are 3-ply and use
Poplar for the center ply. I also wouldn't use Okume for the fuselage sides
for the same reason. Once it's glued on it becomes a large gusset. Birch is
slightly heavier and a little stronger than Mahogany. I used 3/32" Birch on
my fuselage sides instead of 1/8" and figure I saved a little weight. I used
3/16" Mahogany for all gussets on the inside of the fuselage
I used the 1/16' Okume plywood to cover leading edges of both wings. Worked
fine for this application. Very easy to shape and work with. just my two
cents worth.
Bill Princell - Noblesville, IN
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Mark M wrote:
>
> I have been trying to decide the best ( and cheapest) way to order my
> plywood.
>
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Last Control Horn |
Got it John, sent updated list off-list
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 11:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Last Control Horn
Gary and Jack, I can open it but can't add myself. Here is my info. John
Francis 3370 Miller Rd. Russia, OH 45363 USA semi-retired Home ph 937
526-5800 cell ph 937 417 1642 email mrkringles(at)msn.com aircamper corvair not
flying.....have completed ribs, working on center section and engine, will
be at corvair college in hillsdale, MI
--------
John
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Last Control Horn |
KM,
I was very rusty on gas welding when I built the tail control horns.
Welding thin metal was a struggle. I found all my problems to be solved
with new regulators (my dad had these for 40 years!!), and proper
attention to tip size and gas pressures. Do you have a particular
problem that you could describe? Burning thru? Popping? Poor
penetration?
Still, as previously offered, I=99d be glad to help. We are having
a Mother=99s Day special for prosthetic specialists
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide
CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 7:16 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn
All of them...
I am starting to make them with very little success.
--- On Fri, 5/6/11, Gboothe5 wrote:
From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn
Date: Friday, May 6, 2011, 7:00 PM
Which ones do you need?
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide
CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn
Geez Gary...I take few to complete my piet.
KMHeide
--- On Thu, 5/5/11, Gboothe5 wrote:
From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Control Horn
Date: Thursday, May 5, 2011, 8:35 PM
How come it is that the last one is the best, and easiest?
Start-to-finish; tracing, cutting, cleaning edges, bending,
weldingunder 30 minutes! Now I wish I had more to do
Gary
In beautiful Cool, Ca.
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Plywood Order |
What do the Bingelis books say on using ply for ribs? I think 1/16 is ok, but
refer to the experts.
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On May 7, 2011, at 9:55 AM, "Mark M" wrote:
>
> I have been trying to decide the best ( and cheapest) way to order my plywood.
I would like to get all of it at the same time because of the shipping costs.
I noticed that Boulter has the Okume in 1/16, 1/8 and 1/4 and would like to
buy it all from them all at once. I think they are cheaper than AS&S from what
I can calculate. So 2 questions,
>
> 1. Would 1/16th Okume by accecptable for wing ribs. Web site says water and
boil proof in all sizes. But is the strength enough?
>
> 2. Here is what I am thinking of ordering. Any other suggestions?
>
> 1/16th One and a half sheets to cover the leading edge and gussets for
the ribs.
>
> 1/8th 2 full sheets for remaining gussets, fuselage sides,
seat backs, and turtle decks.
>
> 1/4 full sheet for fuselage floor and seat bottoms.
> What do you think?
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339187#339187
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | West Coast Piet gathering...darn! |
Sonoma Skypark changed their annual open house from June 11 to June 4 so
I am not going to be able to make the Frazier Lake gathering again.
Major bummer! I'll have to see you all at Brodhead in July. If any left
coaster is looking for an inexpensive $100 hamburger, we cook them up
every Saturday at noon, rain or shine.
Have a great time at Frazier Lake!
Darrel Jones
Sonoma, CA
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| Subject: | almost interverted flight in a GN-1 ... |
| From: | "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> |
Oh boy - what a day yesterday. My adrenaline is finally coming down, you'll have
to excuse the somewhat excited post.
N30PP finally made it out the first time this year, winds were actually below 20
mph for the first time in almost a month - 3 mph variable (from all directions).
What I didn't know was that there was some of the worst wind sheer going
on I've ever experienced.
Flew for about an hour, lots of knocking around and weather-vaneing from 50 - 250ft
(the GN-1 would get pushed completely sideways at times and bury the ball)-
above that just some mild thermals. Last take off I was climbing though about
150 ft and next thing I know am in the middle of a wing over ccw to the left-
Holy .... !! The left wing just totally ripped down. Whipped the stick full
throw to the right and the wing was still going - went past the verticle easily
by 20 degrees and my first thought was that I was toast - no way was I going
to recover out of this one - not enough time/altitude/speed. I could feel
the seat belts actually holding me in. Finally the ailerons started caching
hold - had the stick buried forward/right and was able to pull out about 75 ft
up. I got around the pattern - plopped it down (not caring one whit about the
bounce) - parked it, and sat on the couch in the hanger for a while. Got up,
pried some coach pillow out of the backside, and went through a most meticulous
multi-hour scour of the entire plane, pulled off every inspection panel and
looked at everything, including the strips over the joints on the 3-piece wing,
all wires, glue joints possible, tail, hinges. If I had my repairmans cert
for this plane, could have almost claimed my annual had been done.
Folks - I'm definitely impressed with the strength of this plane!! However -
I'd prefer to not test it like this again.
Lorin
--------
Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | almost interverted flight in a GN-1 ... |
Whoa, Lorin - sounds like you were given a major case of sphincter clinch.
Good thing you were able to get it back upright while AGL rather than BGL.
It's amazing what these little planes can stand.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ldmill
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 5:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: almost interverted flight in a GN-1 ...
Oh boy - what a day yesterday. My adrenaline is finally coming down, you'll
have to excuse the somewhat excited post.
N30PP finally made it out the first time this year, winds were actually
below 20 mph for the first time in almost a month - 3 mph variable (from all
directions). What I didn't know was that there was some of the worst wind
sheer going on I've ever experienced.
Flew for about an hour, lots of knocking around and weather-vaneing from 50
- 250ft (the GN-1 would get pushed completely sideways at times and bury the
ball)- above that just some mild thermals. Last take off I was climbing
though about 150 ft and next thing I know am in the middle of a wing over
ccw to the left- Holy .... !! The left wing just totally ripped down.
Whipped the stick full throw to the right and the wing was still going -
went past the verticle easily by 20 degrees and my first thought was that I
was toast - no way was I going to recover out of this one - not enough
time/altitude/speed. I could feel the seat belts actually holding me in.
Finally the ailerons started caching hold - had the stick buried
forward/right and was able to pull out about 75 ft up. I got around the
pattern - plopped it down (not caring one whit about the bounce) - parked
it, and sat on the couch in the hanger for a while. Got up, pried some coach
pillow out of the backside, and wen!
t through a most meticulous multi-hour scour of the entire plane, pulled
off every inspection panel and looked at everything, including the strips
over the joints on the 3-piece wing, all wires, glue joints possible, tail,
hinges. If I had my repairmans cert for this plane, could have almost
claimed my annual had been done.
Folks - I'm definitely impressed with the strength of this plane!!
However - I'd prefer to not test it like this again.
Lorin
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Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| Subject: | Corvair Head Bolts |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
I felt it necessary to remove two head bolts from my corvair engine block because
of some serious pitting. I was able to soak them with PB Blaster and they
worked loose. I had few questions and picked up the phone and called Gary Boothe
for some advice. He was happy to oblige and I look forward to talking with
him in person at Brodhead. Thanks Gary!
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: almost interverted flight in a GN-1 ... |
| From: | "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> |
Yea Jack - in 25 years of on-again/off-again flying - this one was the first true
"cross yourself" moment that I've had. Otherwise it's been a nice dull peaceful
hobby... well - except for the typhoon last year up in Brodhead where the
lighting seamed to be personally seeking me out, the suburban broke down, and
my awning collapsed due to the 1000 lbs of water it was holding up...
Lorin
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Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | flying time again |
I sure don't have a story like Lorin's but we've had our share of
wind and gusts here in TX this season, as Raymond Hanover can attest.
I went out and put 1.3 hrs. on the airplane on Saturday afternoon, a
typical summer afternoon flight complete with bumps and gusts, but
nothing that took the airplane's controls out of my hands. I've had
one or two times when I've had the controls almost to the stops in
a sudden gust or shear and it does make you wonder just how strong
the airplane is.
I went over the 570 hour mark in my logbook on Saturday's flight, too.
I'm not a high-time pilot by any means, but my hours have been
pleasantly spread out over the years and in the cockpits of many
different aircraft, so they are mostly very fond memories in those
hours. I must say that the last couple of years, where almost all of
my hours have been in one airplane (Scout), have been some of the
most pleasant -and even sublime- hours I've spent doing anything in
my life. This is exactly what I signed up for when I took up flying.
You folks who are building have a real treat in store ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | flying time again |
Amen to that, Oscar. I flew mine yesterday in near ideal conditions -
air
smooth as a baby's butt, no wind, scattered puffy cumulus at about
7,000',
air temp at 72=B0 and visibility at 50 miles or more. Flying over a
lake
surrounded by mountains the view was just breath-taking. I found a boat
full of pretty girls sunbathing in a cove and =93smoked =91em=94. Life
just
doesn=92t get any better.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 8:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying time again
I sure don't have a story like Lorin's but we've had our share of
wind and gusts here in TX this season, as Raymond Hanover can attest.
I went out and put 1.3 hrs. on the airplane on Saturday afternoon, a
typical summer afternoon flight complete with bumps and gusts, but
nothing that took the airplane's controls out of my hands. I've had
one or two times when I've had the controls almost to the stops in
a sudden gust or shear and it does make you wonder just how strong
the airplane is.
I went over the 570 hour mark in my logbook on Saturday's flight, too.
I'm not a high-time pilot by any means, but my hours have been
pleasantly spread out over the years and in the cockpits of many
different aircraft, so they are mostly very fond memories in those
hours. I must say that the last couple of years, where almost all of
my hours have been in one airplane (Scout), have been some of the
most pleasant -and even sublime- hours I've spent doing anything in
my life. This is exactly what I signed up for when I took up flying.
You folks who are building have a real treat in store ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | flying time again |
Luckily no FAA types ever visit this list, eh Mikey? Wish I could have
seen it.
Stinemetze
N328X
(So close to being back up on the gear that I can taste it.)
>>> "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]"
5/9/2011 10:33 AM >>>
The Chief said to make
sure that you tell him I was here and reported him to the FAA.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | flying time again |
Well when you're flying over water near a marina full of sailboats coming a
nd going those masts stick up pretty high and are especially
hard to see when there is no sail hoisted up.
I believe the police chief had every right to call the FAA if he desired to
and the photographs my friend took were proof positive that
I was in violation of being closer than 500 feet from people, vessels, vehi
cles, and structures. The smoke wasn't the issue at all.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | FAA Types and Ribbon Cuts |
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| Subject: | Aluminum Model A |
| From: | Ken Chambers <ken.riffic(at)gmail.com> |
Can't remember if anyone has posted this lately:
www.modelaparts.net/donovan.htm/donovan.html
Couldn't see a weight total on it, but it has to be lighter than cast
iron. Nice dyno results too.
All yours, minus ignition and carb, for about $17,000 in 2003 dollars.
--
Ken Chambers
512-796-1798
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
hey guys... i feel like i've seen a few pictures of plane with pulleys just behind
the drivers seat... is this pretty normal ??
i was playing with my controls today and came up with this...
jeff
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Aluminum Model A |
Yeah=2C I looked at it. Think I'll stick to the cast iron version. Enough
hp can be gotten....and for a lot less $.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Date: Mon=2C 9 May 2011 15:49:52 -0500
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Model A
From: ken.riffic(at)gmail.com
Can't remember if anyone has posted this lately: www.modelaparts.net/donova
n.htm/donovan.html
Couldn't see a weight total on it=2C but it has to be lighter than cast iro
n. Nice dyno results too.
All yours=2C minus ignition and carb=2C for about $17=2C000 in 2003 dollars
.
--
Ken Chambers
512-796-1798
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: flying time again |
Everything over 200 hours is gravy! If one survives the 200 mark,
generally, he's(she's) got it made.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 8:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying time again
>
>
> I sure don't have a story like Lorin's but we've had our share of
> wind and gusts here in TX this season, as Raymond Hanover can attest.
> I went out and put 1.3 hrs. on the airplane on Saturday afternoon, a
> typical summer afternoon flight complete with bumps and gusts, but
> nothing that took the airplane's controls out of my hands. I've had
> one or two times when I've had the controls almost to the stops in
> a sudden gust or shear and it does make you wonder just how strong
> the airplane is.
>
> I went over the 570 hour mark in my logbook on Saturday's flight, too.
> I'm not a high-time pilot by any means, but my hours have been
> pleasantly spread out over the years and in the cockpits of many
> different aircraft, so they are mostly very fond memories in those
> hours. I must say that the last couple of years, where almost all of
> my hours have been in one airplane (Scout), have been some of the
> most pleasant -and even sublime- hours I've spent doing anything in
> my life. This is exactly what I signed up for when I took up flying.
>
> You folks who are building have a real treat in store ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
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| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Looks good, one pulley is enough, I did 2 and the lower cable pulley barely
gets enough friction to move.
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:46 PM, bender wrote:
> jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
>
> hey guys... i feel like i've seen a few pictures of plane with pulleys just
> behind the drivers seat... is this pretty normal ??
> i was playing with my controls today and came up with this...
>
> jeff
>
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>
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Model A |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
May as well buy a Jabaru 3300, about same price and weight.
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Ken Chambers wrote:
>
> Can't remember if anyone has posted this lately:
> www.modelaparts.net/donovan.htm/donovan.html
>
> Couldn't see a weight total on it, but it has to be lighter than cast
> iron. Nice dyno results too.
>
> All yours, minus ignition and carb, for about $17,000 in 2003 dollars.
>
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| Subject: | Firewall progress... |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Howdy List,
Over the past several weeks, it felt like I was not making much direct progress
on my Pietenpol - direct progress that is because for the past three Saturdays
I was in a class on "vintage radial aircraft engines." It was taught through
a local community college and the Historic Flight Foundation (That's a museum
North of Seattle where they fly all their vintage planes - amazing place.) Because
I had not been as familiar with the differences between the radial and other
aircraft engines as I would have liked - and because I am mounting a Rotec
radial on my Piet - this class came along at just the right time. It felt, however,
like I was not working on the plane for weeks at a time. But I really
WAS working on the plane - by working on my knowledge of my powerplant...!
Anyway, back to the forum topic.... A couple days ago I got the firewall back from
a metal-forming specialist who formed the flanges on my stainless-steel firewall
(thanks Danny - Creative Billet.) I burnished the panel myself prior to
him forming it but I didn't have a heavy-duty shrinker/stretcher (or the experience)
to form the flanges - so I hired out that operation.
Now I can keep movin' on - funnn stufff..............
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Howdy,she's done.Will be inspected on the 17th and in the air shortly therafter.Highspeed
taxi tests have been great,runs like a top.Can't wait!dave
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| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Looks great Dave. I want to know all about the first few flights. Maybe a video??
What is your field elevation?
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sterling's Piet project for sale in Texas |
Howdy, Pieters;
I'm a bit disappointed to learn from Sterling that the winning
bidder on his project flaked out on him... never paid and never
responded. Same for the next low bidder. That is very discouraging
to hear, especially given the excellent opportunity for someone
to pick up a project that is well along in construction and to help
out a fellow builder who is facing serious (perhaps terminal) health
issues.
Before he drags the whole thing out into the middle of his cow
pasture and douses it all with $4/gallon gasoline and lights it off,
is there anyone who is genuinely interested in negotiating with him
for the purchase of his project? If so, please email me off-list
and I'll forward the information to him.
Thanks.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Triple D...... Dangerous Dave is Done - AWESOME.....!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Looks good Jeff, I think I see two pulleys and I assume you will fit with a
cable guard. I'm doing the rudder cable routing now which can go many
different ways.
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 3:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: controls
hey guys... i feel like i've seen a few pictures of plane with pulleys just
behind the drivers seat... is this pretty normal ??
i was playing with my controls today and came up with this...
jeff
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Rick- same on mine. Lower pulley barely moves.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: controls
Looks good, one pulley is enough, I did 2 and the lower cable pulley barely
gets enough friction to move.
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:46 PM, bender wrote:
>
hey guys... i feel like i've seen a few pictures of plane with pulleys just
behind the drivers seat... is this pretty normal ??
i was playing with my controls today and came up with this...
jeff
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Axle Travel Stops/Strap |
My plan was to have bolts and large washers threaded up into the bottoms of the
anti-rotation tubes on my straight axle gear to serve as travel stops. I wonder
if they would hold up if a bungee broke? I see most use some type of safety
strap/cable...will either method work, or do I need the cable/strap?
Thanks.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
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| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Beautiful Dave.
rick
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Dangerous Dave wrote:
>
> Howdy,she's done.Will be inspected on the 17th and in the air shortly
> therafter.Highspeed taxi tests have been great,runs like a top.Can't
> wait!dave
>
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| Subject: | Re: Axle Travel Stops/Strap |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I have both.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 8:25 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Axle Travel Stops/Strap
My plan was to have bolts and large washers threaded up into the bottoms of
the anti-rotation tubes on my straight axle gear to serve as travel stops.
I wonder if they would hold up if a bungee broke? I see most use some type
of safety strap/cable...will either method work, or do I need the cable/st
rap?
Thanks.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
Can I ask what size of pully you are using?
KMHeide
--- On Tue, 5/10/11, Jack wrote:
> From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: controls
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 4:31 AM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "Jack"
>
> Looks good Jeff, I think I see two pulleys and I assume you
> will fit with a
> cable guard. I'm doing the rudder cable routing now
> which can go many
> different ways.
> Jack
> DSM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of bender
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 3:47 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: controls
>
>
> hey guys... i feel like i've seen a few pictures of plane
> with pulleys just
> behind the drivers seat... is this pretty normal ??
> i was playing with my controls today and came up with
> this...
>
> jeff
>
>
>
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
all but the two behind the seat are 2 inch... the ones behind the seat are 3 inches...
just because had them around
workin on the rudder bar today.. tryin not to bleed on stuff too much. i hate when
the drill press grabs
jeff
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I'm trying to understand what is going on here (see photo)... I can see that there
is a deflection because the line doesn't remain straight, and I understand
that you are pointing out that there is limited friction involved with the bottom
cable, but is this cable routed below the fuse cross member or is there some
kind of rub block mounted to the other side of the pulley? I know that it
must be contacting something, just not sure how you are doing this.
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
the elevator cables from the rear control stick torque to the bellcrank won't clear
the bottom seat crossmember so i added those two pulley to keep the cables
off of that crossmember..quite a deflection from the upper cable.... not so
much from the lower
jeff
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Mark,
If you look closely, you'll see that there are two pulleys there, side by side.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Sterling's Piet project for sale in Texas |
| From: | "Ozarkflyer" <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
Email address please.
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
Wow Dave,
She's beautiful and what a work of art, if she fly's half as good as she
looks you be stuck suffering from that menacing problem the that afflicts
only a select few of the airplane builders in the county, "perpetual smile
disorder".
Best of luck and enjoy!
John
In a message dated 5/9/2011 8:28:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dsornbor(at)aol.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dangerous Dave"
Howdy,she's done.Will be inspected on the 17th and in the air shortly
therafter.Highspeed taxi tests have been great,runs like a top.Can't wait!dave
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Alright, that makes more sense. Where is the "like" button?
Bill Church wrote:
> Mark,
>
> If you look closely, you'll see that there are two pulleys there, side by side.
>
> Bill C.
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
'Em dang drill presses'l bang your fingers a whole lot more than jus'
bloody. (As will several of our other fun tools.) Fortunately there are
a lot of solutions available. I'm not pushing Harbour Freight but here is
a page full of possibly useful - and not too expensive - hold down
devices.
http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?q=vice
Stinemetze
>>> "bender" 5/10/2011 11:52 AM >>>
all but the two behind the seat are 2 inch... the ones behind the seat are
3 inches... just because had them around
workin on the rudder bar today.. tryin not to bleed on stuff too much. i
hate when the drill press grabs
jeff
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| From: | Jim Courtney <jbciii5656(at)yahoo.com> |
Congratulations!!!!
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Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 8:27:49 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Done
Beautiful Dave.
rick
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Dangerous Dave wrote:
>
>Howdy,she's done.Will be inspected on the 17th and in the air shortly
>therafter.Highspeed taxi tests have been great,runs like a top.Can't wait!dave
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th |
CONGRATULATIONS Dave ! May I ask how your weight and balance worked out
? Sounds like you're having a blast
doing high speed taxi runs.
Have you been able to keep current or get current in a tailwheel airplane r
ecently ? I was fortunate enough to have a friend
who let me fly his J-3 Cub for several hours prior to my first flight in my
new Piet since while building we generally don't take much
time to go flying or like to spend the money on that when the project usual
ly takes our spare DI.
Last thing-try not to be lulled into the 'I gotta fly this thing now since
I just got it signed off' mode. I had to wait FIVE full days after
my sign off to make my first flight because of rainy, windy, turbulent cond
itions and trust me-I was NOT pleasant to be around during
those five days but I'm glad I sat it out. Too many things can happen on
that first flight so stack the cards in your favor and WAY to GO MAN !
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall progress... |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Jack said it exactly right- really beautiful.
On a slightly separate note, I have attached some info on how to burnish, or "fish
scale" your own panels. I found this on another forum, and I saved it for
future reference. I hope it helps someone.
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Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: My Instrument Panel Layout |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Scotty I made wooden mock ups as you can see. I have a home made CNC router and
it is not a big deal to cut the panel. This is the third one. I think it is final.
I found out that sitting in the cockpit the 2 1/4" instruments that were
on the bottom were very hard for me to read so a total revamp to what you see.
Oil pressure and temp goes in the empty holes. When the time comes I will cut
it from 1/8" aircraft plywood.
I don't know who to give credit to for the drawing. It is not my art. Anyone know
who did it?
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sterling's Piet project for sale in Texas |
Larry asked-
> Email address please.
sterlingintexas(at)gmail.com
My understanding is that he's getting ready to re-list it on eBay after
the first and second bidders went incommunicado on him.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
San Antonio, TX (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Mike,attached is the W&B.Been flying a Murphy Moose and will do a bunch of takeoffs
and landing in a Champ prior to first flight,Dave
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: My Instrument Panel Layout |
I found out that sitting in the cockpit the 2 1/4" instruments that
were on the bottom were very hard for me to read so a total revamp to
what you see. Oil pressure and temp goes in the empty holes. When the
time comes I will cut it from 1/8" aircraft plywood.
> I got around the hard to see part by rotating the instruments so the part you
actually used was visible from the pilot's view.
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
just a little skin gone
my wife the RN loves when i come home with band-aids
the rudder bar support bracket is the one that got away.. but its bolted in now
jeff
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| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Just as a note to O 235 prospects,I found no way with the long fuselage to not
have the Heliocamper look.I like it but some traditionalist think its abhorrent,not
my problem.I would suggest not making your motor mount until your done covered,figure
out total FWF weight including prop and cowling and then figure
mount length based on where you want your CG to be.Or you can do it all a couple
of times for practice.dave
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| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Mike,I never considered slanting the wing back.I added 3" to the cabanes and slanted
them forward 1/2" and its still a B@&%h to get in.Also I wanted to keep
the distance between the wing and empenage at a maximum for stability in the bush
and rough weather.Also slanting them back throws of the rigidity of the geometry
of the struts, and the cabanes would have to be an extra 10" long to get
in it.Just my reasoning.Dave
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| From: | "Baldeagle" <baldeagle27(at)earthlink.net> |
Dave, looks great, love the scallops. I'll be flying out there on the 17th to
work on the SPAD and do some flying over the weekend, hope to see you there-
Andrew
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
Dave,
I just realized - you don't have a center section flop or a cut-out. No
wonder it's hard to get in and out!
It's a bit late to go backwards, but having slanted the cabanes back
even a few inches would reduce the length of your motor mount
considerably. I don't reckon that the geometry of the struts would be
that horribly affected - they'd still be parallelograms, and it's the
flying wires that really give it the stiffness.
If you're still interested, you should order the reprints of the last 2
or 3 Brodhead Pietenpol Assoc. newsletters where Ryan and Wm. Wynne's
W&B articles feature prominently.
Cheers,
Dan
On 05/11/2011 11:04 AM, Dangerous Dave wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dangerous Dave"
>
> Mike,I never considered slanting the wing back.I added 3" to the cabanes and
slanted them forward 1/2" and its still a B@&%h to get in.Also I wanted to keep
the distance between the wing and empenage at a maximum for stability in the
bush and rough weather.Also slanting them back throws of the rigidity of the
geometry of the struts, and the cabanes would have to be an extra 10" long to
get in it.Just my reasoning.Dave
>
> --------
> taking to hangar
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
I have all the Brodhead newsletters.thanks
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taking to hangar
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| Subject: | Re: My Instrument Panel Layout |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
I ended up making 4 instrument boards. And just in case I ended up screwing
rather than gluing my pseudo-final one.
rick
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Jerry Dotson wrote:
> jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
>
> Scotty I made wooden mock ups as you can see. I have a home made CNC router
> and it is not a big deal to cut the panel. This is the third one. I think it
> is final. I found out that sitting in the cockpit the 2 1/4" instruments
> that were on the bottom were very hard for me to read so a total revamp to
> what you see. Oil pressure and temp goes in the empty holes. When the time
> comes I will cut it from 1/8" aircraft plywood.
>
> I don't know who to give credit to for the drawing. It is not my art.
> Anyone know who did it?
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | bellcrank geometry |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Ok .... i'm dying here
i've read the post about the slack in the elevator cables...
i'm confused
the cables from the control stick to the bellcrank loose tension as i move the
stick fore and aft.... pressure in the middle and way slack at the up and down
positions...i don't get it...
this can't be right
i can see where a tube with a rod end is nice
i thought this was going to be the easy part
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
thanks Dave - this helps....
Good luck on your test flights.........!
(Watch out for those bugs in your teeth.... ha!)
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall progress... |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
great stuff.... thanks Terry for posting this info.
...and thanks everyone for the positive comments - helps motivate me through the
project when there is such a long ways yet to go....!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | bellcrank geometry |
Jeff, I worried about this for about a year. Just guessing but I bet you
haven't hooked up the cables from the bellcrank to the elevator.
When you do the weight of the elevator will take out the slack. At least it
did in mine.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
> To:
> Date: 5/11/2011 4:13:42 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: bellcrank geometry
>
>
> Ok .... i'm dying here
> i've read the post about the slack in the elevator cables...
> i'm confused
>
> the cables from the control stick to the bellcrank loose tension as i
move the stick fore and aft.... pressure in the middle and way slack at the
up and down positions...i don't get it...
> this can't be right
>
> i can see where a tube with a rod end is nice
>
> i thought this was going to be the easy part
>
>
> jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339593#339593
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! |
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| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Very nice Dave! It looks like it's built for the hayfield!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
You want flop? I geeve you flop!
I'm pretty agile, now. Later, down the avenue of
years? Probably not. I don't want to have to give
up Piet flyin' because I can no longer get in the
silly thing!
Clif :-)
> Dave,
> I just realized - you don't have a center section flop or a cut-out. No
> wonder it's hard to get in and out!
> Cheers,
> Dan
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | look what I found |
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | bellcrank geometry |
Jeff,
It's my understanding that some slack is good. There is an alternative
bellcrank design by Ken Perkins, you can see a picture here
http://textors.com/DSCN4226_640x480.jpg not far enough along to say it works
but Ken is a fantastic builder. His contact info,
Kenandvernaperkins(at)sbcglobal.net
913-764-6949
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bellcrank geometry
Ok .... i'm dying here
i've read the post about the slack in the elevator cables...
i'm confused
the cables from the control stick to the bellcrank loose tension as i move
the stick fore and aft.... pressure in the middle and way slack at the up
and down positions...i don't get it...
this can't be right
i can see where a tube with a rod end is nice
i thought this was going to be the easy part
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: My Instrument Panel Layout |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Thank you guys! I didnt think about not being able to read the smaller instruments.
I guess I will check once the fuse is assembled and then make the adjustments.
Can anyone give me an idea of the distance from the panel to where the aileron
cables run through the back?
Scotty
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 22 Ribs built...
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Congratulations Dave,
I have one item I think you should consider. I was looking at you W&B and noticed
that you have the gross weight at 1250 pounds. If you were to lower it to
1230 or lower before your inspection it would then be able to be flown by a Sport
Pilot. Once it gets its AW with 1250 documented it cannot be changed. As
the builder you can set the gross weight anywhere you would like.
My two cents. Good luck and enjoy every flight.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: bellcrank geometry |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
i understand the aft cable issue...
as i move the stick...no cables aft of the bellcrank the cables go from loose to
tight to loose again
my problem is up front... i see from mr Cuys photos that 2 inches of travel at
the location of his stop is all thats required and that would help but i'm wondering
if the bellcrank going overcenter is the problem
i really thought this closed loop in the front was a no brainer
now i feel like i'm missing a brain myself
jeff
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: bellcrank geometry |
I use the push/pull tube setup on my plane so I can't help you with the cab
le slack/tight problem. However, it would be wise to position the bellcrank
to be vertical when the control stick is neutral. This will give you the s
ame stick "feel" when you move the stick from neutral forward and neutral a
ft. Also, it will give the controls the same amount a travel in both direct
ions. (which if needed can be limited by stops.)
You will find the same cable issues with the rudder.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
--- On Thu, 5/12/11, bender wrote:
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bellcrank geometry
Date: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 10:31 AM
>
i understand the aft cable issue...
as i move the stick...no cables aft of the bellcrank the cables go from loo
se to tight to loose again
my problem is up front... i see from mr Cuys photos that 2 inches of travel
at the location of his stop is all thats required and that would help but
i'm wondering if the bellcrank going overcenter is the problem
i really thought this closed loop in the front was a no brainer
now i feel like i'm missing a brain myself
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on |
the 17th
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Scott,
The information I've seen is that the gross weight limit for airplanes
to be sport pilot eligible is 1320 lbs. Has that number been changed?
Ken
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 7:40 AM, AircamperN11MS
wrote:
>
> Congratulations Dave,
>
> I have one item I think you should consider. I was looking at you W&B and noticed
that you have the gross weight at 1250 pounds. If you were to lower it to
1230 or lower before your inspection it would then be able to be flown by a Sport
Pilot. Once it gets its AW with 1250 documented it cannot be changed. As
the builder you can set the gross weight anywhere you would like.
>
> My two cents. Good luck and enjoy every flight.
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339673#339673
>
>
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on |
the 17th
Scott,
I hear there's a dyslexia for cure found! News good, us for!
The definition of light sport aircraft is found in FAR 1.1
Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft, other than a helicopter or
powered-lift that, since its original certification, has continued to
meet the following:
(1) A maximum takeoff weight of not more than
(i) 1,320 pounds (600 kilograms) for aircraft not intended for operation
on water; or
(ii) 1,430 pounds (650 kilograms) for an aircraft intended for operation
on water.
Dave's OK with his weight spec'd at 1250.
Dan
On 05/12/2011 08:40 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "AircamperN11MS"
>
> Congratulations Dave,
>
> I have one item I think you should consider. I was looking at you W&B and noticed
that you have the gross weight at 1250 pounds. If you were to lower it
to 1230 or lower before your inspection it would then be able to be flown by a
Sport Pilot. Once it gets its AW with 1250 documented it cannot be changed.
As the builder you can set the gross weight anywhere you would like.
>
> My two cents. Good luck and enjoy every flight.
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339673#339673
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
And N8031 has a cut-out which works pretty well, too.
Dan
On 05/11/2011 10:45 PM, Clif Dawson wrote:
> You want flop? I geeve you flop!
>
> I'm pretty agile, now. Later, down the avenue of
> years? Probably not. I don't want to have to give
> up Piet flyin' because I can no longer get in the
> silly thing!
>
> Clif :-)
>
>> Dave,
>> I just realized - you don't have a center section flop or a cut-out.
>> No wonder it's hard to get in and out!
>> Cheers,
>> Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on |
the 17th
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
No, don't believe it's changed:
http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=415
<http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=415>
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Ken Bickers wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> The information I've seen is that the gross weight limit for airplanes
> to be sport pilot eligible is 1320 lbs. Has that number been changed?
>
> Ken
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 7:40 AM, AircamperN11MS
> wrote:
> Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
> >
> > Congratulations Dave,
> >
> > I have one item I think you should consider. I was looking at you W&B
> and noticed that you have the gross weight at 1250 pounds. If you were to
> lower it to 1230 or lower before your inspection it would then be able to be
> flown by a Sport Pilot. Once it gets its AW with 1250 documented it cannot
> be changed. As the builder you can set the gross weight anywhere you would
> like.
> >
> > My two cents. Good luck and enjoy every flight.
> >
> > --------
> > Scott Liefeld
> > Flying N11MS since March 1972
> > Steel Tube
> > C-85-12
> > Wire Wheels
> > Brodhead in 1996
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339673#339673
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: bellcrank geometry |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
thanks...
i was just out in the hangar messing with it.... if i leave the cables just tight
enough not to sag then it actually feels ok.. it just seems weird to be that
loose..
the wooden block under the seat instead of the pulley would work great too , no
real friction with loose cables
in unison now... " stick to the plans "
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Opps, you are correct. Maybe it was to early this morning for me. Just got my
first cup of coffee.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Now you all see why I don't say to much.
I have Foot in mouth disease.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
Sure.... You just wanted everyone to see your grin!
--- On Thu, 5/12/11, Dan Yocum wrote:
> From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dave's W&B
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 10:32 AM
> And N8031 has a cut-out which works
> pretty well, too.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On 05/11/2011 10:45 PM, Clif Dawson wrote:
> > You want flop? I geeve you flop!
> >
> > I'm pretty agile, now. Later, down the avenue of
> > years? Probably not. I don't want to have to give
> > up Piet flyin' because I can no longer get in the
> > silly thing!
> >
> > Clif :-)
> >
> >> Dave,
> >> I just realized - you don't have a center section
> flop or a cut-out.
> >> No wonder it's hard to get in and out!
> >> Cheers,
> >> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of
> petty things."
>
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | She's got legs - again |
Progress comes in baby steps I guess. I finished the final welds last
night and got N328X back up on its gear after building it wrong the first
time. Thanks to our own Ryan Mueller and guru William Wynne the axles
have been moved forward a full 6 inches from the plans location to account
for brakes and no tail skid. One additional benefit will be a slight
shift of weight in the forward direction which I expect to be beneficial
as well.
Sorry, no photos yet since everything had to come back off for cleaning
up, priming, and painting before (what I hope to be) final assembly.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
SpaceShipZero.One
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: bellcrank geometry |
Jeff, again, I'm not past this point but my understanding is it helps
forward of the bellcrank also.
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 9:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bellcrank geometry
i understand the aft cable issue...
as i move the stick...no cables aft of the bellcrank the cables go from
loose to tight to loose again
my problem is up front... i see from mr Cuys photos that 2 inches of travel
at the location of his stop is all thats required and that would help but
i'm wondering if the bellcrank going overcenter is the problem
i really thought this closed loop in the front was a no brainer
now i feel like i'm missing a brain myself
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Where is the Belize Fisherman Ray Axillou when you |
need him
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
What? Un-airworthy practices on THIS list? Inconceivable! :D
They need to be delivered by C-46 Commando or C-47 Skytrain... I can't think of
a more fitting aircraft to deliver something on the 5th-6th of June.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet gathering...darn! |
Cool Darrel see you=C2-Saturday morning around 10:30.
Jim
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Where is the Belize Fisherman Ray Axillou when |
you need him
Better call up Buffalo Air!
By the way, I understand they've been contracted
to do a re-enactment of the Dambuster bombings.
Clif
>
> They need to be delivered by C-46 Commando or C-47 Skytrain... I can't
> think of a more fitting aircraft to deliver something on the 5th-6th of
> June.
> Mark Chouinard
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| Subject: | Re: Where is the Belize Fisherman Ray Axillou when you |
need him
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I stopped reading the autobiography at the part where he was meeting Castro and
doing magic in Havana. And that was after the part that he fought German kids
with rifles at the age of 8, and escaped the raping Russian soldiers in the Russian
Zone of Vienna, Austria, and escaped through the sewers back to his parents,
including his father, the British Colonel MI6 spy who became an indentured
servant in Canada.
What a bunch of Hooey! What a piece of work!
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on |
the 17th
If 1250 isn't legal for Light Sport, there are an awful lot of J-3 Cubs (GW
1250) flying as Light Sports illegally.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection
on the 17th
Scott,
I hear there's a dyslexia for cure found! News good, us for!
The definition of "light sport aircraft" is found in FAR 1.1
Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft, other than a helicopter or
powered-lift that, since its original certification, has continued to
meet the following:
(1) A maximum takeoff weight of not more than-
(i) 1,320 pounds (600 kilograms) for aircraft not intended for operation
on water; or
(ii) 1,430 pounds (650 kilograms) for an aircraft intended for operation
on water.
Dave's OK with his weight spec'd at 1250.
Dan
On 05/12/2011 08:40 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
"AircamperN11MS"
>
> Congratulations Dave,
>
> I have one item I think you should consider. I was looking at you W&B and
noticed that you have the gross weight at 1250 pounds. If you were to lower
it to 1230 or lower before your inspection it would then be able to be flown
by a Sport Pilot. Once it gets its AW with 1250 documented it cannot be
changed. As the builder you can set the gross weight anywhere you would
like.
>
> My two cents. Good luck and enjoy every flight.
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339673#339673
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Jack,
Lets forget I said anything. I would hate to see all those Cub pilots grounded
due to one of my mis-quotes. Although if they were grounded, It would probably
saturate the Cub market lowering the price of them so us Piet guys could afford
to buy one. Then we would all have airplanes with windows and heaters to
fly in the winter time. I know that I would buy one.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339747#339747
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
You're funny Gary,
I'm gonna place the blame on my headsets. I think they're on too tight and squeezing
my brain.
Snap rolls, Hmm, I wonder if I could do that? Probably not. Here's a fun fact
for the day. Back in the early 70's a friend of ours who only weighed about
140 pounds did 7 consecutive loops in my plane and maintained altitude. Believe
it or not!
Happy Friday the 13th. Watch out for those rabid shop tools today.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339750#339750
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Like this?
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339753#339753
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the |
17th
| From: | Mike Hardaway <bkemike(at)gmail.com> |
Nice Photoshop, Terry.
Sent from iPlop
On May 13, 2011, at 7:51 AM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote:
>
> Like this?
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339753#339753
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Nice. That's a hard maneuver without any aileron input.
Just Saying,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339756#339756
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | cht/voltmeter combo gauge |
Hey,
Does anybody know if a combination cht/voltmeter gauge is made? I've cked
out ACS's catalog and see just about every other combo, but not that one.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
I believe light-sport is 1320 pounds, not 1230.
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
The only Photoshop work is removal of the Ship number. otherwise, it is the real
deal. One of my favorite Pietenpol pictures, actually.
Or as my friend likes to say, "Children, do not try this at home." [Wink]
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339796#339796
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the |
17th
I don't know whose airplane that is, but I have seen that very shot with a
different background and the airplane is flying straight and level -- right
side up!
----- Original Message -----
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 10:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on
the 17th
>
>
> Like this?
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339753#339753
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_loop_321.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the |
17th
| From: | Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com> |
Have a look at the shadows, gents. If this plane were indeed inverted, the undersides
of everything would be nice and bright.
A fun picture, but definitely a fake.
Wayne Bressler
Taildraggers, Inc.
www.taildraggersinc.com
On May 13, 2011, at 6:49 PM, "Charles Campbell" wrote:
>
> I don't know whose airplane that is, but I have seen that very shot with a different
background and the airplane is flying straight and level -- right side
up!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 10:51 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the
17th
>
>
>>
>> Like this?
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>> --------
>> Semper Fi,
>>
>> Terry
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339753#339753
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sterling's Piet project back on eBay |
Not a bad way to get right into a project.
Here's the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=26078415128
6
My understanding is that he will also be listing his Cessna 150/150
on Barnstormers in a week or so...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
San Antonio=2C TX (soon to be Eagle Point=2C Oregon)
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Dave's Pietenpol Airworthiness Inspection on the 17th |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I still like the picture. I can dream, can't I?
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: My Instrument Panel Layout |
| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
I think that if you build to the plans, the longer instruments (turn/slip, DG if
you want one, etc.) will become problematic with regard to the cables, at least
in some spots on the panel. If you're not mass-challenged (i.e. Bernard sized)
you could extend the panel rearwards by 2 inches and still have enough room
to enter/exit the cockpit easily & that would probably be enough to keep all
instruments clear of the cables regardless of length & placement, although
you might still have to be creative about routing any plumbing out the back side.
Of course, you should ask yourself what instruments you really need, I mean, none
of us are flying or intend to fly these beasts in anything other than day VFR
conditions.
Kip Gardner
On May 12, 2011, at 8:53 AM, bubbleboy wrote:
>
> Thank you guys! I didnt think about not being able to read the smaller instruments.
I guess I will check once the fuse is assembled and then make the adjustments.
Can anyone give me an idea of the distance from the panel to where the
aileron cables run through the back?
>
> Scotty
>
> --------
> Scotty
>
> Tamworth, Australia
> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
> www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
> Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 22 Ribs built...
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339670#339670
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: My Instrument Panel Layout |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Kip,
Luckily I was able to finagle everything in there, but it is a very tight s
qeeze, especially because I put those brackets to hold the front seat shoul
der harness in there also. Wish I had some photos to post but I lost some s
tuff when my computer crashed.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Sat, May 14, 2011 9:13 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Instrument Panel Layout
hlink.net>
I think that if you build to the plans, the longer instruments (turn/slip,
DG if
ou want one, etc.) will become problematic with regard to the cables, at le
ast
n some spots on the panel. If you're not mass-challenged (i.e. Bernard siz
ed)
ou could extend the panel rearwards by 2 inches and still have enough room
to
nter/exit the cockpit easily & that would probably be enough to keep all
nstruments clear of the cables regardless of length & placement, although y
ou
ight still have to be creative about routing any plumbing out the back side
.
Of course, you should ask yourself what instruments you really need, I mean
,
one of us are flying or intend to fly these beasts in anything other than d
ay
FR conditions.
Kip Gardner
On May 12, 2011, at 8:53 AM, bubbleboy wrote:
com>
Thank you guys! I didnt think about not being able to read the smaller
nstruments. I guess I will check once the fuse is assembled and then make t
he
djustments. Can anyone give me an idea of the distance from the panel to wh
ere
he aileron cables run through the back?
Scotty
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 22 Ribs built...
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| Subject: | Re: My Instrument Panel Layout |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Tsk tsk Dan, as the resident nerd (well, the younger of the two), we could
fix that ;-)
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 11:46 AM, wrote:
> Kip,
>
> Luckily I was able to finagle everything in there, but it is a very tight
> sqeeze, especially because I put those brackets to hold the front seat
> shoulder harness in there also. Wish I had some photos to post but I lost
> some stuff when my computer crashed.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Sat, May 14, 2011 9:13 am
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Instrument Panel Layout
>
>
> I think that if you build to the plans, the longer instruments (turn/slip, DG
if
> you want one, etc.) will become problematic with regard to the cables, at least
> in some spots on the panel. If you're not mass-challenged (i.e. Bernard sized)
> you could extend the panel rearwards by 2 inches and still have enough room to
> enter/exit the cockpit easily & that would probably be enough to keep all
> instruments clear of the cables regardless of length & placement, although you
> might still have to be creative about routing any plumbing out the back side.
>
> Of course, you should ask yourself what instruments you really need, I mean,
> none of us are flying or intend to fly these beasts in anything other than day
> VFR conditions.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
> On May 12, 2011, at 8:53 AM, bubbleboy wrote:
>
> >
> > Thank you guys! I didnt think about not being able to read the smaller
> instruments. I guess I will check once the fuse is assembled and then make the
> adjustments. Can anyone give me an idea of the distance from the panel to where
> the aileron cables run through the back?
> >
> > Scotty
> >
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> > Scotty
> >
> > Tamworth, Australia
> > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
> >
> > www.scottyspietenpol.com
> >
> > Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 22 Ribs built...
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Laser cut my instrument panels today |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
I got a friend to cut and engrave my front and rear panels this morning with his
CNC laser. I can't get a picture to really show it off right but couldn't resist
posting.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Laser cut my instrument panels today |
That's fantastic, Jerry. I sure hope you can fly your Piet to Brodhead, next year.
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On May 14, 2011, at 7:51 PM, "Jerry Dotson" wrote:
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> I got a friend to cut and engrave my front and rear panels this morning with
his CNC laser. I can't get a picture to really show it off right but couldn't
resist posting.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
> using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Metal C/S gasoline tank |
I sent this originally to Gary Booth's address, but they kicked it back
saying that the address failed -- for some reason. So I'm sending it
again on the Piet list.
Gary, I'm just about to the point of building up my center section. I
was originally planning on making a C/S tank of composites but with the
advent of Ethenol in our gasoline I figured I had better build one of
metal. I remembered a picture you posted last December of your gas
tank. I have some questions:
1. What is its capacity and it's dimensions?
2. I assume it is made of aluminum -- is that correct? If so, what
grade and thickness of aluminum did you use?
3. What kind of sealer did you use?
4. Are they hardware store rivets or did you get them from an A/C
materials supply?
5. Is the top of the tank covered?
6. What are the two large rectangular holes in the top of the tank?
7. Do you have any more pictures of the tank -- maybe in process of
building?
8. Do you have any plans? If so, how could I get a set?
I would really appreciate any information you can give me. Your tank
looks about what I need. I can't weld so a tank made of steel is out.
Thanks, Chuck
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Metal C/S gasoline tank |
Chuck,
You may have missed the 'e' on the end: gboothe5(at)comcast.net.
I just came indoors to grab a bite.then back out to my wing! Later tonight
I'll send you a bunch of pics, but for now, check out my embedded answers
below. I am grateful for inspiration from Jim Markle and all the pics on
www.westcoastpiet.com under his name, and to Jack Phillips for providing me
excellent technical advice.
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 10:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal C/S gasoline tank
I sent this originally to Gary Booth's address, but they kicked it back
saying that the address failed -- for some reason. So I'm sending it again
on the Piet list.
Gary, I'm just about to the point of building up my center section. I was
originally planning on making a C/S tank of composites but with the advent
of Ethenol in our gasoline I figured I had better build one of metal. I
remembered a picture you posted last December of your gas tank. I have some
questions:
1. What is its capacity and it's dimensions? I moved my two outboard ribs
out as far as possible, and raised the tank above the wing (Tiger Moth
style) and estimate capacity to be a bit over 16 gal.
2. I assume it is made of aluminum -- is that correct? If so, what grade
and thickness of aluminum did you use? .040 5052.
3. What kind of sealer did you use? Pro-seal from ACS.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/ps890.php
4. Are they hardware store rivets or did you get them from an A/C materials
supply? Avex pop rivets, left over from a previous project, but I think you
can get those at ACS.
5. Is the top of the tank covered? I will be making a fiberglass cover,
only because this method leaves an unattractive exterior.
6. What are the two large rectangular holes in the top of the tank? They
are for future access to the tank, in case I develop leaks. They were also
handy to see inside with a mirror and touch up any areas that appeared to
not have any sealant oozing out.none were evident. It was also convenient to
locate the filler neck in one panel, for easy manufacture.
7. Do you have any more pictures of the tank -- maybe in process of
building? I'll send some tonight.
8. Do you have any plans? If so, how could I get a set? Design was similar
to Jim Markle's, but the whole shape was merely traced off of the ribs, with
a little extra added to the top. My tank mirrors the bottom of the center
section.
I would really appreciate any information you can give me. Your tank looks
about what I need. I can't weld so a tank made of steel is out. Thanks,
Chuck
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| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Airworthiness inspection tomorrow |
I have an appointment with a DAR tomorrow for the airworthiness certificate
for N629ML. Supposed to rain cats and dogs here in VA but it's in a hangar
so shouldn't be a problem for the inspection. Just won't be able to do the
first flight - assuming it passes - for a few more days. Here's a link to
a couple of videos of taxi testing on Facebook:
_http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/?id=1347744711_
(http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/?id=1347744711)
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| Subject: | Mobile Virtualization |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Pete
Check out this, run android apps, iphone apps, and your old linux apps on
the same phone with just one processor!
http://www.ok-labs.com/products/okl4-microvisor
http://www.ok-labs.com/products/ok-android
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Airworthiness inspection tomorrow |
Great news, Matt! Can you get the time flown off in time to bring it to
Brodhead this summer?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Woodflier(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airworthiness inspection tomorrow
I have an appointment with a DAR tomorrow for the airworthiness certificate
for N629ML. Supposed to rain cats and dogs here in VA but it's in a hangar
so shouldn't be a problem for the inspection. Just won't be able to do the
first flight - assuming it passes - for a few more days. Here's a link to a
couple of videos of taxi testing on Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/?id=1347744711
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Matt Paxton's Airworthiness inspection tomorrow |
Congratulations Matt ! You've persevered over the years and it's great to
see you're at the point of getting ready to fly your own
homebuilt for the first time. You're going to love it. Remember to fla
re lower than you think you need to. Pretend you're landing gear
up and you'll make an excellent first landing !
Mike C.
http://www.facebook.com/video/?id=1347744711
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Metal C/S gasoline tank |
Yeah, Gary, I missed the 'e' at the end of Booth. Thanks for the reply.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Gboothe5
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:03 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal C/S gasoline tank
Chuck,
You may have missed the 'e' on the end: gboothe5(at)comcast.net.
I just came indoors to grab a bite.then back out to my wing! Later
tonight I'll send you a bunch of pics, but for now, check out my
embedded answers below. I am grateful for inspiration from Jim Markle
and all the pics on www.westcoastpiet.com under his name, and to Jack
Phillips for providing me excellent technical advice.
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 10:23 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal C/S gasoline tank
I sent this originally to Gary Booth's address, but they kicked it
back saying that the address failed -- for some reason. So I'm sending
it again on the Piet list.
Gary, I'm just about to the point of building up my center section. I
was originally planning on making a C/S tank of composites but with the
advent of Ethenol in our gasoline I figured I had better build one of
metal. I remembered a picture you posted last December of your gas
tank. I have some questions:
1. What is its capacity and it's dimensions? I moved my two outboard
ribs out as far as possible, and raised the tank above the wing (Tiger
Moth style) and estimate capacity to be a bit over 16 gal.
2. I assume it is made of aluminum -- is that correct? If so, what
grade and thickness of aluminum did you use? .040 5052.
3. What kind of sealer did you use? Pro-seal from ACS.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/ps890.php
4. Are they hardware store rivets or did you get them from an A/C
materials supply? Avex pop rivets, left over from a previous project,
but I think you can get those at ACS.
5. Is the top of the tank covered? I will be making a fiberglass
cover, only because this method leaves an unattractive exterior.
6. What are the two large rectangular holes in the top of the tank?
They are for future access to the tank, in case I develop leaks. They
were also handy to see inside with a mirror and touch up any areas that
appeared to not have any sealant oozing out.none were evident. It was
also convenient to locate the filler neck in one panel, for easy
manufacture.
7. Do you have any more pictures of the tank -- maybe in process of
building? I'll send some tonight.
8. Do you have any plans? If so, how could I get a set? Design was
similar to Jim Markle's, but the whole shape was merely traced off of
the ribs, with a little extra added to the top. My tank mirrors the
bottom of the center section.
I would really appreciate any information you can give me. Your tank
looks about what I need. I can't weld so a tank made of steel is out.
Thanks, Chuck
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comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Inspection done,fly thursday weather permitting |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
should be fun,dave
--------
taking to hangar
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection done,fly thursday weather permitting |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
That is fantastic. I am proud for you Dave. Let me know how it goes.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Inspection done,fly thursday weather permitting |
Dave,
What a milestone CONGRATULATIONS...
Be Safe,
Jack
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Dave
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Inspection done,fly thursday weather permitting
should be fun,dave
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| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
As the new guy on the internet block, I am looking at going to Brodhead for the
first time this year, and I am not sure what to do. I am thinking that I will
come in on Thursday and leave on Saturday. Where do I stay? Can I camp? Food?
Is scotch the only drink, or will I be accepted with other forms of adult beverage?
(Wink)
How about a thread on tips and tricks for Brodhead? Thanks to all in advance.
BTW, wing rib jig is done- first rib to be done this week, hopefully before I leave
on my next trip.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
Camp on the field, dinner is served by the local EAA chapter Friday and
Saturday night.
Breakfast is served by the local Lions Club.
Any beverage will be welcomed.
If you are bringing a plane and flying during the event the attached will be
interest.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead
>
>
> As the new guy on the internet block, I am looking at going to Brodhead
> for the first time this year, and I am not sure what to do. I am thinking
> that I will come in on Thursday and leave on Saturday. Where do I stay?
> Can I camp? Food? Is scotch the only drink, or will I be accepted with
> other forms of adult beverage? (Wink)
>
> How about a thread on tips and tricks for Brodhead? Thanks to all in
> advance.
>
> BTW, wing rib jig is done- first rib to be done this week, hopefully
> before I leave on my next trip.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340067#340067
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection done,fly thursday weather permitting |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Can't wait to hear the reports from the successful first flights! Congrats and
good luck!
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
I am going to Brodhead again this year, hopefully on Wed. In addition to
Gregs post , there is Mc d's Subway and a bunch of good small local cafes
in town which is a mile or so away. I dont know about Scotch this is Wisc
and they know beer. If you want a place to stay Monroe is a town 10 mi west
with some nice motels or you can camp on the field.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead
>
>
> As the new guy on the internet block, I am looking at going to Brodhead
> for the first time this year, and I am not sure what to do. I am thinking
> that I will come in on Thursday and leave on Saturday. Where do I stay?
> Can I camp? Food? Is scotch the only drink, or will I be accepted with
> other forms of adult beverage? (Wink)
>
> How about a thread on tips and tricks for Brodhead? Thanks to all in
> advance.
>
> BTW, wing rib jig is done- first rib to be done this week, hopefully
> before I leave on my next trip.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340067#340067
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Corvair engine rebuilding |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
A couple of days ago I posted with some problems that I was finding in my corvair
engine that I am rebuilding. In particular one cylinder (#3) showed signs
of having been much hotter than the other. I was concerned about what may have
been the cause as my engine was supposed to have been overhauled according to
W Wynne's manual. There were some things I wanted to change so I disassembled
it. I found some problems which confirmed that I need to see just what the
other guy did before me. I am getting ready to take it to Corvair College #20
in a couple of weeks and re assemble it there.
A couple of you suggested contacting W. Wynne. I tried both email and phone to
no avail and also emailed Roy's Garage who is hosting the upcoming Corvair College
but no response. I was getting frustrated so I started searching on line
in the corvair forums and found some pretty interesting info. I have attached
2 articles about cleaning out the slag on your cooling fins. Those of you
that are building corvair engines should look at this, especially the illustrations.
I took another look at my heads and found that the melted alum. that I thought
was from someone going wild with a torch trying to heat some bolts was in fact
left over slag form the casting process. My offending cylinder that showed signs
of being hot had no air flow through the head at all. I am working on mine
now with a keyhole saw but have a long way to go. I'll bet I have a half cup
of alum shavings from each head so far. If you don't know what to look for
it is easy to miss this.
I hosted my EAA chapter 2 weeks ago which included 3 A&P's and a tech councilor.
They were really helpful even though none had work on a corvair engine. I
think I am on the right track now with no major difficulties that a few hundred
bucks won't remedy. I got the project pretty cheap so I guess I should expect
that. Just thought I would share what I have learned. Maybe I will meet some
of you at Corvair College 20.
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Fuselage question |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
I'm framing the extended fuselage and have all the struts positioned, measured,
and measured again (and again and again and again). Everything is square and
falls over the centerline, but just one thing doesn't seem right.
At the point where the plans call for 11" (see the plan picture), it seems just
a little narrow and the longeron seems to "S/snake" just a bit at this point
on the bottom of the fuselage only, not the top (whereas it is a natural appearing
curve along the rest of the fuselage). The width at the top and the bottom
of the fuselage measure the same at 11". Again, I've measured this repeatedly
and all along the fuselage things are correct. I am not trying to overthink
this, but before putting epoxy to it, I just wanted to know if anyone else
found something similar or ended up using a different dimension here. The "natural"
curve seemed to end up around 12" but this would correct the appearance
of the bottom of the fuselage only and not the top (which looks correct at 11").
Sorry if the question is a rookie one, just looking for a thought or suggestion.
Thanks.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Matt Paxton's Airworthiness inspection tomorrow |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Congratulations Matt. Good luck on your first flights. Enjoy ever minute of it
and report back.
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage question |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
I'm certainly nowhere close to starting on my fuselage, but that doesn't look correct
to me either. But based on the many, many model planes I've built using
the same techniques, I'd say to ease the pressure off on the clamp until the
curve looks right, measure that distance and cut a new cross piece to glue in
there. I won't tell anyone that you deviated from the plans if you don't...
:)
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | "amsafetyc(at)aol.com" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Where are all the so cali piets |
Anyone around La area got a Piet to show?
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
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| From: | "Amsafetyc(at)aol.com" <Amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
Ifin it were me I would leave on Sunday and not miss out on Saturday night.
Hampton inn in Rockford is always a good spot some of us stay there
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-----Original message-----
From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 01:11:53 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead
As the new guy on the internet block, I am looking at going to Brodhead for
the first time this year, and I am not sure what to do. I am thinking that I
will come in on Thursday and leave on Saturday. Where do I stay? Can I camp?
Food? Is scotch the only drink, or will I be accepted with other forms of
adult beverage? (Wink)
How about a thread on tips and tricks for Brodhead? Thanks to all in
advance.
BTW, wing rib jig is done- first rib to be done this week, hopefully before
I leave on my next trip.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection done,fly thursday weather permitting |
| From: | "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au> |
Well done Dave she is a bloody beauty
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection done,fly thursday weather permitting |
| From: | "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au> |
Well done Dave she is a bloody beauty
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage question |
So did you you cut the pieces first and then try to assemble the fuselage?
I think the better approach is to get the upper longerons (on the workbench)
to follow the prescribed curve, then cut the cross-pieces to fit, while
keeping everything in alignment and the uprights vertical, as shown below:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy
McCaskill
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:17 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage question
I'm certainly nowhere close to starting on my fuselage, but that doesn't
look correct to me either. But based on the many, many model planes I've
built using the same techniques, I'd say to ease the pressure off on the
clamp until the curve looks right, measure that distance and cut a new cross
piece to glue in there. I won't tell anyone that you deviated from the
plans if you don't... :)
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
What happens Saturday night?
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
Laughter, revelry, a movie, popcorn, flying until sundown, pork chops,
steaks, a couple of cold ones, a bit of single malt, the telling of lies
and the spending of a last few hours with some of the best friends you
will ever meet and never get to spend enough time with.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On May 17, 2011, at 6:47 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
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> What happens Saturday night?
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> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340099#340099
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Sounds like fun! Can't wait!
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Well said, John. But you forgot to mention the flatulence. One of my
personal favorite parts, along with the sundown "Hangar Walk".
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
Laughter, revelry, a movie, popcorn, flying until sundown, pork chops,
steaks, a couple of cold ones, a bit of single malt, the telling of lies and
the spending of a last few hours with some of the best friends you will ever
meet and never get to spend enough time with.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On May 17, 2011, at 6:47 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
What happens Saturday night?
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
As mentioned, there is a variety of motels within striking distance if you
want a room. Rv's and campers are allowed by the road and around the
hangars and tents pretty much anywhere. Camping is allowed on the far side
of the closed runway by the trees, (I've been told it was for tents only,
though I'm seeing some campers recently) However, NO GENERATORS are allowed
there, though they seem to be acceptable around the hangars. Wherever you
end up, they ask for a small camping "donation" for which you get your
annual Brodhead pin to put on your tent or vehicle.
I THINK there's a dinner Friday and Sat evening and there's a breakfast some
mornings, but I'm not sure which. There are bathrooms and showers, but you
have to kind of time your spot as it gets pretty busy.
Sunday is usually just a day for leaving, so don't plan on doing anything.
Friday and Saturday seem to be the best days to be there, with most planes
arriving Thurs and Friday. Weather is always an issue so one is never
really sure who will show up or when.
There is an informal campfire most nights with people just hanging out, and
there is a legend of a movie night projected on the side of a hangar. I've
heard it's Friday and I've heard it's Saturday, and I've always wanted to
attend, but it seems to be a last minute, rather secretive event, so good
luck with that one.
There are few organized events, it's completely laid back. Sometimes we get
a "dawn patrol" of some of the more intrepid aviators and nice evenings
always produce a great flying lineup. IF the weather is good, planes just
come and go all day with rides being hopped by various friendly pilots. The
only organized events are the seminars held on Saturday, late morning,
through the afternoon. These are all given by volunteers and the topics
cover a multitude of subjects based on that person's expertise.
I've seen pretty much every beverage imaginable being consumed at Brodhead.
adult and otherwise.
Douwe
Ps. Congratulations on you guys who are done, you've accomplished a great
thing. Fly safe!!
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair engine rebuilding |
Jon:
This is a common problem that needs to be checked even with a brand new
set of matched pistons / cylinders. My new set had 5 perfectly good
cylinders with just minimum flash needing to be removed and 1 that had A
LOT of flash to be removed before clean air flow could be expected.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "coxwelljon" 5/16/2011 11:26 PM >>>
My offending cylinder that showed signs of being hot had no air flow
through the head at all. I am working on mine now with a keyhole saw but
have a long way to go. I'll bet I have a half cup of alum shavings from
each head so far. If you don't know what to look for it is easy to miss
this.
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| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Airworthiness Inspection |
Jack, I'm planning on making Brodhead this year. I'll have 2 months to fly
40 hours.. what an ordeal....hehehe. Can't wait. Let's talk when we get
closer to the time. A buddy here who's helped me has a Chinook, which doesn't
fly much faster than a Piet, and he wants to go too.
Matt
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Airworthiness inspection tomorrow
Great news, Matt! Can you get the time flown off in time to bring it to
Brodhead this summer?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Here's an aerial photo of the field, with some of the main areas marked:
North (to Brodhead)
Pietenpol parking
Hangars
and Movie
Main Runway
09/27
Forums, Dinners, and Shower area
I'm getting psyched about it. After all, it is only 65 more days (just nine
weeks from Thursday) until we all meet again. Still haven't decided if I
will fly my Piet there this year, but my guess is, if the weather is good,
I'll fly it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead tips
As mentioned, there is a variety of motels within striking distance if you
want a room. Rv's and campers are allowed by the road and around the
hangars and tents pretty much anywhere. Camping is allowed on the far side
of the closed runway by the trees, (I've been told it was for tents only,
though I'm seeing some campers recently) However, NO GENERATORS are allowed
there, though they seem to be acceptable around the hangars. Wherever you
end up, they ask for a small camping "donation" for which you get your
annual Brodhead pin to put on your tent or vehicle.
I THINK there's a dinner Friday and Sat evening and there's a breakfast some
mornings, but I'm not sure which. There are bathrooms and showers, but you
have to kind of time your spot as it gets pretty busy.
Sunday is usually just a day for leaving, so don't plan on doing anything.
Friday and Saturday seem to be the best days to be there, with most planes
arriving Thurs and Friday. Weather is always an issue so one is never
really sure who will show up or when.
There is an informal campfire most nights with people just hanging out, and
there is a legend of a movie night projected on the side of a hangar. I've
heard it's Friday and I've heard it's Saturday, and I've always wanted to
attend, but it seems to be a last minute, rather secretive event, so good
luck with that one.
There are few organized events, it's completely laid back. Sometimes we get
a "dawn patrol" of some of the more intrepid aviators and nice evenings
always produce a great flying lineup. IF the weather is good, planes just
come and go all day with rides being hopped by various friendly pilots. The
only organized events are the seminars held on Saturday, late morning,
through the afternoon. These are all given by volunteers and the topics
cover a multitude of subjects based on that person's expertise.
I've seen pretty much every beverage imaginable being consumed at Brodhead.
adult and otherwise.
Douwe
Ps. Congratulations on you guys who are done, you've accomplished a great
thing. Fly safe!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Airworthiness Inspection |
Why do you have a 40 hour fly-off? You've got a Continental. Do you have
an uncertificated prop?
Jack
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Woodflier(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airworthiness Inspection
Jack, I'm planning on making Brodhead this year. I'll have 2 months to fly
40 hours.. what an ordeal....hehehe. Can't wait. Let's talk when we get
closer to the time. A buddy here who's helped me has a Chinook, which
doesn't fly much faster than a Piet, and he wants to go too.
Matt
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Airworthiness inspection tomorrow
Great news, Matt! Can you get the time flown off in time to bring it to
Brodhead this summer?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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| Subject: | Re: Airworthiness inspection tomorrow |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
This is great to hear that your plane will be taking to the skies, Matt. Like many
others, when I began researching into the possibility of building a Piet,
one of the inspiring sources of information was the four-part series of articles
that you wrote for AVweb.
Congratulations on finishing the construction process. Looking forward to hopefully
seeing your Piet fly in to Brodhead this summer (or maybe next).
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Where are all the so cali piets |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Throw me an email. I have one just 1 hour north of LA. In fact I work in downtown
LA. Perhaps we can at least meet for lunch while you are here.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Where are all the so cali piets |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Opps, Here is my work email, scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org I am here from 5AM til 2:15PM.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Where are all the so cali piets |
Just curious--What are your performance figures for N11MS? empty wt and so
forth. Gardiner Mason
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From: AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 11:13:13 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where are all the so cali piets
Throw me an email. I have one just 1 hour north of LA. In fact I work in
downtown LA. Perhaps we can at least meet for lunch while you are here.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Model "A" engine for sale |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
Here is an Ford Model A engine i no longer need, i purchased it from a guy in Oshkosh
a few years back for a $1000 bucks. I never did anything with it and don't
know its history except the guy i bought it from says it came out of a pietenpol.
If your interested please email me......$1000 obo. Putting it up here
first, then barnstormers.
crusch(at)lakefield.net
Thanks
Chris
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead tips |
Please note the big yellow "X's" on the NW-SE and NE-SW runways. Those
are reserved for Kevin "Axel" Purtee.
I kid, I kid!
Dan
On 05/17/2011 08:29 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> Heres an aerial photo of the field, with some of the main areas marked:
>
> North (to Brodhead)
>
> Pietenpol parking
>
> Hangars
>
> and Movie
>
> Main Runway
>
> 09/27
>
> Forums, Dinners, and Shower area
>
> Im getting psyched about it. After all, it is only 65 more days (just
> nine weeks from Thursday) until we all meet again. Still havent decided
> if I will fly my Piet there this year, but my guess is, if the weather
> is good, Ill fly it.
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP Icarus Plummet
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Douwe
> Blumberg
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:45 AM
> *To:* pietenpolgroup
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Brodhead tips
>
> As mentioned, there is a variety of motels within striking distance if
> you want a room. Rvs and campers are allowed by the road and around the
> hangars and tents pretty much anywhere. Camping is allowed on the far
> side of the closed runway by the trees, (Ive been told it was for tents
> only, though Im seeing some campers recently) However, NO GENERATORS
> are allowed there, though they seem to be acceptable around the hangars.
> Wherever you end up, they ask for a small camping donation for which
> you get your annual Brodhead pin to put on your tent or vehicle.
>
> I THINK theres a dinner Friday and Sat evening and theres a breakfast
> some mornings, but Im not sure which. There are bathrooms and showers,
> but you have to kind of time your spot as it gets pretty busy.
>
> Sunday is usually just a day for leaving, so dont plan on doing
> anything. Friday and Saturday seem to be the best days to be there, with
> most planes arriving Thurs and Friday. Weather is always an issue so one
> is never really sure who will show up or when.
>
> There is an informal campfire most nights with people just hanging out,
> and there is a legend of a movie night projected on the side of a
> hangar. Ive heard its Friday and Ive heard its Saturday, and Ive
> always wanted to attend, but it seems to be a last minute, rather
> secretive event, so good luck with that one.
>
> There are few organized events, its completely laid back. Sometimes we
> get a dawn patrol of some of the more intrepid aviators and nice
> evenings always produce a great flying lineup. IF the weather is good,
> planes just come and go all day with rides being hopped by various
> friendly pilots. The only organized events are the seminars held on
> Saturday, late morning, through the afternoon. These are all given by
> volunteers and the topics cover a multitude of subjects based on that
> persons expertise.
>
> Ive seen pretty much every beverage imaginable being consumed at
> Brodhead adult and otherwise.
>
> Douwe
>
> Ps. Congratulations on you guys who are done, youve accomplished a
> great thing. Fly safe!!
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List*
>
> **
>
> **
>
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Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage question |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
I measured my fuselage and I have a smooth curve with the dimensions close to those
shown on the plans. To get the smooth curve I needed to be +/- 1/4 inch
different then the plans dimensions. Like Jack said, just filled in the space
between the longerons after you pull the two sides together.
Chris
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Model "A" engine for sale] |
Speaking of your engines - how's the other one coming along? Mounted on
your Piet, yet? Will you bring it to Brodhead, this year?
How about Pappa Mike. What's the status of your project?
Dan H. - Is your engine back together?
As Jack said, only 65 more days.
Looks like I'll be there in N8031 unless someone comes out of the
woodwork to buy 'er before then. Then I'll bring the Hatz. And beets.
Dan
On 05/17/2011 10:42 AM, Chris Rusch wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Chris Rusch"
>
> Here is an Ford Model A engine i no longer need, i purchased it from a guy in
Oshkosh a few years back for a $1000 bucks. I never did anything with it and
don't know its history except the guy i bought it from says it came out of a pietenpol.
If your interested please email me......$1000 obo. Putting it up here
first, then barnstormers.
>
> crusch(at)lakefield.net
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340135#340135
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"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead tips |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Jarhead (and all first timers),
Be sure to watch and memorize lines from The Great Waldo Pepper. You do not want
to appear stupid or inconsequential by not inserting the proper quote at the
appropriate time in an otherwise seemingly meaningful conversation.
Gary
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:42:51
Please note the big yellow "X's" on the NW-SE and NE-SW runways. Those
are reserved for Kevin "Axel" Purtee.
I kid, I kid!
Dan
On 05/17/2011 08:29 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> Heres an aerial photo of the field, with some of the main areas marked:
>
> North (to Brodhead)
>
> Pietenpol parking
>
> Hangars
>
> and Movie
>
> Main Runway
>
> 09/27
>
> Forums, Dinners, and Shower area
>
> Im getting psyched about it. After all, it is only 65 more days (just
> nine weeks from Thursday) until we all meet again. Still havent decided
> if I will fly my Piet there this year, but my guess is, if the weather
> is good, Ill fly it.
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP Icarus Plummet
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Douwe
> Blumberg
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:45 AM
> *To:* pietenpolgroup
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Brodhead tips
>
> As mentioned, there is a variety of motels within striking distance if
> you want a room. Rvs and campers are allowed by the road and around the
> hangars and tents pretty much anywhere. Camping is allowed on the far
> side of the closed runway by the trees, (Ive been told it was for tents
> only, though Im seeing some campers recently) However, NO GENERATORS
> are allowed there, though they seem to be acceptable around the hangars.
> Wherever you end up, they ask for a small camping donation for which
> you get your annual Brodhead pin to put on your tent or vehicle.
>
> I THINK theres a dinner Friday and Sat evening and theres a breakfast
> some mornings, but Im not sure which. There are bathrooms and showers,
> but you have to kind of time your spot as it gets pretty busy.
>
> Sunday is usually just a day for leaving, so dont plan on doing
> anything. Friday and Saturday seem to be the best days to be there, with
> most planes arriving Thurs and Friday. Weather is always an issue so one
> is never really sure who will show up or when.
>
> There is an informal campfire most nights with people just hanging out,
> and there is a legend of a movie night projected on the side of a
> hangar. Ive heard its Friday and Ive heard its Saturday, and Ive
> always wanted to attend, but it seems to be a last minute, rather
> secretive event, so good luck with that one.
>
> There are few organized events, its completely laid back. Sometimes we
> get a dawn patrol of some of the more intrepid aviators and nice
> evenings always produce a great flying lineup. IF the weather is good,
> planes just come and go all day with rides being hopped by various
> friendly pilots. The only organized events are the seminars held on
> Saturday, late morning, through the afternoon. These are all given by
> volunteers and the topics cover a multitude of subjects based on that
> persons expertise.
>
> Ive seen pretty much every beverage imaginable being consumed at
> Brodhead adult and otherwise.
>
> Douwe
>
> Ps. Congratulations on you guys who are done, youve accomplished a
> great thing. Fly safe!!
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *http://forums.matronics.com*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
>
> * *
>
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Fermilab 630.840.6509
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"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead tips |
Truer words were never said. I will be there to smack Kevin with a board
if needed.
A wise man once said "Smile son, never disconcert the masses."
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On May 17, 2011, at 11:04 AM, gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
>
> Jarhead (and all first timers),
>
> Be sure to watch and memorize lines from The Great Waldo Pepper. You
do not want to appear stupid or inconsequential by not inserting the
proper quote at the appropriate time in an otherwise seemingly
meaningful conversation.
>
> Gary
> Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:42:51
> To:
> Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List:
Brodhead tips
>
>
> Please note the big yellow "X's" on the NW-SE and NE-SW runways.
Those
> are reserved for Kevin "Axel" Purtee.
>
> I kid, I kid!
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On 05/17/2011 08:29 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>> Here=92s an aerial photo of the field, with some of the main areas
marked:
>>
>> North (to Brodhead)
>>
>> Pietenpol parking
>>
>> Hangars
>>
>> and Movie
>>
>> Main Runway
>>
>> 09/27
>>
>> Forums, Dinners, and Shower area
>>
>> I=92m getting psyched about it. After all, it is only 65 more days
(just
>> nine weeks from Thursday) until we all meet again. Still haven=92t
decided
>> if I will fly my Piet there this year, but my guess is, if the
weather
>> is good, I=92ll fly it.
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>>
>> NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
>>
>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>>
>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
*Douwe
>> Blumberg
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:45 AM
>> *To:* pietenpolgroup
>> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Brodhead tips
>>
>> As mentioned, there is a variety of motels within striking distance
if
>> you want a room. Rv=92s and campers are allowed by the road and
around the
>> hangars and tents pretty much anywhere. Camping is allowed on the far
>> side of the closed runway by the trees, (I=92ve been told it was for
tents
>> only, though I=92m seeing some campers recently) However, NO
GENERATORS
>> are allowed there, though they seem to be acceptable around the
hangars.
>> Wherever you end up, they ask for a small camping =93donation=94 for
which
>> you get your annual Brodhead pin to put on your tent or vehicle.
>>
>> I THINK there=92s a dinner Friday and Sat evening and there=92s a
breakfast
>> some mornings, but I=92m not sure which. There are bathrooms and
showers,
>> but you have to kind of time your spot as it gets pretty busy.
>>
>> Sunday is usually just a day for leaving, so don=92t plan on doing
>> anything. Friday and Saturday seem to be the best days to be there,
with
>> most planes arriving Thurs and Friday. Weather is always an issue so
one
>> is never really sure who will show up or when.
>>
>> There is an informal campfire most nights with people just hanging
out,
>> and there is a legend of a movie night projected on the side of a
>> hangar. I=92ve heard it=92s Friday and I=92ve heard it=92s Saturday,
and I=92ve
>> always wanted to attend, but it seems to be a last minute, rather
>> secretive event, so good luck with that one.
>>
>> There are few organized events, it=92s completely laid back.
Sometimes we
>> get a =93dawn patrol=94 of some of the more intrepid aviators and
nice
>> evenings always produce a great flying lineup. IF the weather is
good,
>> planes just come and go all day with rides being hopped by various
>> friendly pilots. The only organized events are the seminars held on
>> Saturday, late morning, through the afternoon. These are all given by
>> volunteers and the topics cover a multitude of subjects based on that
>> person=92s expertise.
>>
>> I=92ve seen pretty much every beverage imaginable being consumed at
>> Brodhead=85 adult and otherwise.
>>
>> Douwe
>>
>> Ps. Congratulations on you guys who are done, you=92ve accomplished a
>> great thing. Fly safe!!
>>
>> * *
>>
>> * *
>>
>> **
>>
>> **
>>
>> **
>>
>> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List*
>>
>> **
>>
>> **
>>
>> *http://forums.matronics.com*
>>
>> **
>>
>> **
>>
>> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
>>
>> * *
>>
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: project statuses [was: Re: Model "A" engine for sale] |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
i am just getting back to the piet project, i have been converting my 65 chevelle
to a ls3 power plant and now thats done. The next step is to get the engine
mounted, hope to do that in the next couple of weeks.
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| Subject: | Re: Where are all the so cali piets |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Empty weight when new in 1972 was 600 lbs.
Empty weight after rebuild in 2001 was 670lbs.
Fuel burn at gross weight is between 5 GPH at 2300 RPM and 5.7 GPH at 2450 RPM
and above.
I flight plan for 70 MPH for any cross country flights but usually cruising speed
is 75-85 MPH. I averaged 70 MPH on my Brodhead trip in 1996. It also included
70 stops in about 13 states. I was gone 19 days. It would be fun to do again
sometime.
What else would you like to know?
BTW, the weight gain is due to these items:
Heavier tubes and tires
Better seats
Hand held radio
ELT
Whoa Stick, (johnson bar hand brake on side of fuse)
Tow hook for hand propping
More paint
10 lbs lead in nose for my fat butt.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Good one Jack!
This will be only my third trip to this great event, but my family and I have been
looking forward to it for some time. Camping on the field would be great,
but with a family (wife and 7 year old son), I've found that it is well worth
the money to get a hotel room. I'm not sure that they would be too excited about
our return if we had to endure the downpours and "artillery shots" that Jack
and others described last year. We heard them up close over in Rockford too,
but were staying safe and dry indoors. Yeah, we chickened out, but that weather
was really something last year, right? So, having said all that... a friend
recommend the Hampton Inn in Rockford, which is pretty nice and has a good
breakfast waiting first thing in the morning. Rockford is about 25 minutes
from Brodhead, but it's not too bad of a drive. Mostly rural, which is real
pretty up there. If you will have access to a car, consider Rockford... there
is plenty of good lodging, restaurants and other services.
I would like to add that the Friday night dinner has recently been a boiled fish
ball with boiled veges. Unless you really like fish, you'll probably want to
make other arrangements. On the other hand... Saturday's pork chop is pretty
good eats.
Finally, since this is your first trip... do not forget you camera and a note pad.
These are more important than your tooth brush. You will be sorry if you
don't come prepared to take notes, names, and lots of pictures.
The Hatz Biplane fly-in occurs on the same field, and there are several other old
timey and interesting aircraft to see. Be prepared to have a great time.
Looking forward to seeing everyone!
pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> Well said, John. But you forgot to mention the flatulence. One of my personal
favorite parts, along with the sundown Hangar Walk.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP Icarus Plummet
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage question |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Jack and Chris,
I didn't "jig" the fuselage for joining the two halves. What I did was draw a
centerline down the length of the table and got both halves of the fuselage standing
vertical. I joined the fore with the appropriate width strut so it measures
24". I continued from front to back by cutting and fitting individual struts
(one at a time, with centerlines themselves to match the fuse centerline
to know I was accurate and the fuselage was square). When I got to the tail-end,
the beveled edges joined at the centerline. From front to back everything
seems right on--all except the 11" station.
It has me a little stumped.
Most likely, even though I measured repeatedly, I probably made some mistake in
a measurement I haven't caught.
Regardless, maybe I should ask-- if I unclamp the 11" station and allow it to open
to its natural curve (knowing the ones fore and aft of it are correct), is
it okay to just measure this (again, about 12") and cut the spacer to fit? Anyone
see a problem with this if my re-measurement of dimensions doesn't turn
up a solution?
Thanks again.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage question |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I'm with ya Tom... sounds like a reasonable approach as it doesn't look like it
would take much to straighten it out... BUT, are your longerons square at the
tail post? In other words, when joined together, are they 2" wide at the rear
or 1" as perscribed in the drawing? If they are still square (2" wide when
combined), you can taper the inside, which will straighten out your natural curve
a bit.
You say that you are building the long fuse, which is what I am building. I found
that a 7* angle cut (or sanded) 1/2" in at the rear works perfectly. Cutting
1/2" in makes for a combined 1" width at the tail post. As for the angles,
if you figure them from your rear most cross brace, you will see that the angle
at the tail post is 14*, or 7* off each longeron if you were to split the
triangle... for a combined angle (when joined together) of 14*.
I did my fuse the same way you are doing yours... I jigged the sides, but only
used a centerline and clamps to join the two. I don't think that I encountered
the problem that you are describing, but I can't honestly remember. I'll try
to remember to measure this evening.
tdudley(at)umn.edu wrote:
> Jack and Chris,
>
> I didn't "jig" the fuselage for joining the two halves. What I did was draw
a centerline down the length of the table and got both halves of the fuselage
standing vertical. I joined the fore with the appropriate width strut so it measures
24". I continued from front to back by cutting and fitting individual
struts (one at a time, with centerlines themselves to match the fuse centerline
to know I was accurate and the fuselage was square). When I got to the tail-end,
the beveled edges joined at the centerline. From front to back everything
seems right on--all except the 11" station.
>
> It has me a little stumped.
>
> Most likely, even though I measured repeatedly, I probably made some mistake
in a measurement I haven't caught.
>
> Regardless, maybe I should ask-- if I unclamp the 11" station and allow it to
open to its natural curve (knowing the ones fore and aft of it are correct),
is it okay to just measure this (again, about 12") and cut the spacer to fit?
Anyone see a problem with this if my re-measurement of dimensions doesn't turn
up a solution?
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Tom
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | Lyle Fast <lylefast(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Where are all the so cali piets |
Scott=2C
I have recently aquired a Pietenpol project with a C85-12. It has no prop
and I wondered what you use and any advice?
Thanks Lyle
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where are all the so cali piets
> From: Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org
> Date: Tue=2C 17 May 2011 09:48:43 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
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> Empty weight when new in 1972 was 600 lbs.
> Empty weight after rebuild in 2001 was 670lbs.
> Fuel burn at gross weight is between 5 GPH at 2300 RPM and 5.7 GPH at 245
0 RPM and above.
> I flight plan for 70 MPH for any cross country flights but usually cruisi
ng speed is 75-85 MPH. I averaged 70 MPH on my Brodhead trip in 1996. It al
so included 70 stops in about 13 states. I was gone 19 days. It would be fu
n to do again sometime.
>
> What else would you like to know?
>
> BTW=2C the weight gain is due to these items:
> Heavier tubes and tires
> Better seats
> Hand held radio
> ELT
> Whoa Stick=2C (johnson bar hand brake on side of fuse)
> Tow hook for hand propping
> More paint
> 10 lbs lead in nose for my fat butt.
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Where are all the so cali piets |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Hi Lyle,
For 20 years I flew a Hegy 72x42. I broke it a couple of years ago. It was a
sad day. I then bought a Sterba, 72x42 but did not like its performance. I think
his props work better on fast planes with low drag. Ed Sterba is a stand
up guy. He re-pitched it for me but I still didn't like it. Long story short,
he offered to buy it back from me. I got lucky and found a Hegy 72x44. It
was good but I wanted more RPM since I fly in the Hot High Desert. Anyway, a
friend of mine changed the airfoil and flattened the pitch for me and now works
great. To get directly to your question, I would look for a climb prop due
to the high drag of the airframe. It's also better for hauling passengers.
I keep hearing great things about the Cloudcar Props. I even called him and almost
ordered one. Listening to the other guys on this site I believe that it
would be money well spent. They're also great to look at.
My two cents rubbed together.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340166#340166
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage question |
As long as all the vertical uprights are perpendicular to the work surface,
and the centerline of the bottom longerons lines up with the cernterline of
the top longerons and everything is plumb and true, it doesn't matter.
Remember, building an airplane is largely a series of exercises in
alignment. As long as you are careful and keep things in alignment, the
plane will fly straight and true. If things are out of line, no matter what
you'll be flying a Chinese Cross Country (one wing low).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
tdudley(at)umn.edu
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage question
Jack and Chris,
I didn't "jig" the fuselage for joining the two halves. What I did was draw
a centerline down the length of the table and got both halves of the
fuselage standing vertical. I joined the fore with the appropriate width
strut so it measures 24". I continued from front to back by cutting and
fitting individual struts (one at a time, with centerlines themselves to
match the fuse centerline to know I was accurate and the fuselage was
square). When I got to the tail-end, the beveled edges joined at the
centerline. From front to back everything seems right on--all except the
11" station.
It has me a little stumped.
Most likely, even though I measured repeatedly, I probably made some mistake
in a measurement I haven't caught.
Regardless, maybe I should ask-- if I unclamp the 11" station and allow it
to open to its natural curve (knowing the ones fore and aft of it are
correct), is it okay to just measure this (again, about 12") and cut the
spacer to fit? Anyone see a problem with this if my re-measurement of
dimensions doesn't turn up a solution?
Thanks again.
Tom
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Also, along with your notepad and camera, bring a tape measure.
If camping, bring your own soap and towel for the showers. You might want to bring
your own hot water, too. It seems to be in pretty short supply.
Jack
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead
Good one Jack!
This will be only my third trip to this great event, but my family and I have been
looking forward to it for some time. Camping on the field would be great,
but with a family (wife and 7 year old son), I've found that it is well worth
the money to get a hotel room. I'm not sure that they would be too excited about
our return if we had to endure the downpours and "artillery shots" that Jack
and others described last year. We heard them up close over in Rockford too,
but were staying safe and dry indoors. Yeah, we chickened out, but that weather
was really something last year, right? So, having said all that... a friend
recommend the Hampton Inn in Rockford, which is pretty nice and has a good
breakfast waiting first thing in the morning. Rockford is about 25 minutes
from Brodhead, but it's not too bad of a drive. Mostly rural, which is real
pretty up there. If you will have access to a car, consider Rockford... there
is plenty of good lodging, restaurants and other se!
rvices.
I would like to add that the Friday night dinner has recently been a boiled fish
ball with boiled veges. Unless you really like fish, you'll probably want to
make other arrangements. On the other hand... Saturday's pork chop is pretty
good eats.
Finally, since this is your first trip... do not forget you camera and a note pad.
These are more important than your tooth brush. You will be sorry if you
don't come prepared to take notes, names, and lots of pictures.
The Hatz Biplane fly-in occurs on the same field, and there are several other old
timey and interesting aircraft to see. Be prepared to have a great time.
Looking forward to seeing everyone!
pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> Well said, John. But you forgot to mention the flatulence. One of my personal
favorite parts, along with the sundown Hangar Walk.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP Icarus Plummet
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | Lyle Fast <lylefast(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Where are all the so cali piets |
Great info thanks. I would love to fly the hot high desert...some day!
Lyle
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where are all the so cali piets
> From: Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org
> Date: Tue=2C 17 May 2011 12:50:50 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
ity.org>
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> Hi Lyle=2C
>
> For 20 years I flew a Hegy 72x42. I broke it a couple of years ago. It wa
s a sad day. I then bought a Sterba=2C 72x42 but did not like its performan
ce. I think his props work better on fast planes with low drag. Ed Sterba i
s a stand up guy. He re-pitched it for me but I still didn't like it. Long
story short=2C he offered to buy it back from me. I got lucky and found a H
egy 72x44. It was good but I wanted more RPM since I fly in the Hot High De
sert. Anyway=2C a friend of mine changed the airfoil and flattened the pitc
h for me and now works great. To get directly to your question=2C I would l
ook for a climb prop due to the high drag of the airframe. It's also better
for hauling passengers. I keep hearing great things about the Cloudcar Pro
ps. I even called him and almost ordered one. Listening to the other guys o
n this site I believe that it would be money well spent. They're also great
to look at.
>
> My two cents rubbed together.
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340166#340166
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| Subject: | Re: Where are all the so cali piets |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Lyle,
I just noticed you are from Canada. I'll bet it can get cold there. It can get
a little cold at my place. The coldest I've flown mine in was 21 degrees F.
It was a 1 hour flight. I could hardly speak after I got out of the p[lane.
My jaw was frozen. Brrr.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Where are all the so cali piets |
Here in Midland it has been only one month since the icebreaker came in
and opened up the harbor. This time it was the US Coast Guard that came
in. So thanks to all our American friends!
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AircamperN11MS
Sent: May 17, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where are all the so cali piets
Lyle,
I just noticed you are from Canada. I'll bet it can get cold there. It
can get a little cold at my place. The coldest I've flown mine in was 21
degrees F. It was a 1 hour flight. I could hardly speak after I got out
of the p[lane. My jaw was frozen. Brrr.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Pink Slip... the good kind! |
N629ML got her Special Airworthiness Certificate today. The inspector had
no squalks, even with a couple of FAA inspectors looking over his shoulder.
Wish I could have gotten the Feds to come on their own - would have saved
some money but they were re-certifying the DAR.
Weather is going to be squally for several days so it looks like the
weekend before we can look at a first flight.
Thanks to all on this list-serve who have helped me over the 11+ years it
took to get to this point. Mike Cuy, Jack Phillips and Bill Rewey all shared
drawings and ideas and more, including Jack's engine mount jig. I hope to
see all of you at Brodhead this year.
Matt Paxton
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pink Slip... the good kind! |
Congratulations Matt! You give all of us with "two more years" to go a
big shot in the arm.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> 5/17/2011 4:09 PM >>>
N629ML got her Special Airworthiness Certificate today. The inspector had
no squalks, even with a couple of FAA inspectors looking over his
shoulder. Wish I could have gotten the Feds to come on their own - would
have saved some money but they were re-certifying the DAR.
Weather is going to be squally for several days so it looks like the
weekend before we can look at a first flight.
Thanks to all on this list-serve who have helped me over the 11+ years it
took to get to this point. Mike Cuy, Jack Phillips and Bill Rewey all
shared drawings and ideas and more, including Jack's engine mount jig. I
hope to see all of you at Brodhead this year.
Matt Paxton
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Pink Slip... the good kind! |
Way to go, Matt! I'll have to re-think my plan to fly the RV-4 to Brodhead,
if you are going to fly your Piet. Formation flying is definitely the most
fun. And safer.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Woodflier(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 5:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pink Slip... the good kind!
N629ML got her Special Airworthiness Certificate today. The inspector had no
squalks, even with a couple of FAA inspectors looking over his shoulder.
Wish I could have gotten the Feds to come on their own - would have saved
some money but they were re-certifying the DAR.
Weather is going to be squally for several days so it looks like the weekend
before we can look at a first flight.
Thanks to all on this list-serve who have helped me over the 11+ years it
took to get to this point. Mike Cuy, Jack Phillips and Bill Rewey all shared
drawings and ideas and more, including Jack's engine mount jig. I hope to
see all of you at Brodhead this year.
Matt Paxton
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| Subject: | Re: Pink Slip... the good kind! |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Congratulations Matt!!! I am just a little envious. Have fun and lets hear about
how it flies. That is two Piets in 2 days.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | I can't find my Air Compressor |
Jim Markle came into town this evening and came over for a hamburger. He
expressed interest in learning to rivet so we spent a little time riveting
one of the ailerons on the RV-10 project. He just left and I went back down
to the basement to turn the lights off, and noticed my 60 gallon air
compressor is missing.
Had a great visit with him and it just stoked me up all the more to
anticipate Brodhead in another couple of months.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I can't find my Air Compressor |
hahahahahaha....
VERY nice visit with Jack and his family....and great burgers. What a little piece
of paradise....
There are some things about my job that I love but the privilege of visits like
this....priceless.
And since I pitched in and helped with the rivets he'll probably have that RV10
flying pretty soon.....ok, just 2 rivets.....that was still neat.
Thank you Jack.
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips
Sent: May 17, 2011 9:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I can't find my Air Compressor
Jim Markle came into town this evening and came over for a hamburger. He expressed
interest in learning to rivet so we spent a little time riveting one of the
ailerons on the RV-10 project. He just left and I went back down to the basement
to turn the lights off, and noticed my 60 gallon air compressor is missing
Had a great visit with him and it just stoked me up all the more to anticipate
Brodhead in another couple of months.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP Icarus Plummet
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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| Subject: | Re: I can't find my Air Compressor |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Pietenpol builders don't need no stinking air compressor. There are 10,000 fewer
rivets than that (very cool by the way) RV-10............
Now if your Nicopress was missing.......... ;-)
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Pink Slip... the good kind! |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Awesome Matt! Good luck with your test flights!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage question |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Mark,
Thanks for your thoughts. I did bevel my trailing edge verticals as you described.
With the gussets on the outside, I beveled to get a 1 1/8" width when the
sides were joined. Though I read about the 1" width on the list, I never saw
it on the plans I received. Instead, I used the 1 1/8" width I found in the
Flying and Glider Manual.
All said, I did re-measure everything, checked my centerline, and again ensured
the table was level. I couldn't find anything wrong (? gremlins ?). When I
released the clamp at the 11" station, it opened to 11 3/4" and the curve visually
looked just right. With everything squared up, I'm just going to cut the
strut to this width for the top and bottom. Like Jack said, if everything is
square and plumb things should be just about right.
Again, thanks for your input. Your web log has been pretty helpful in building
my plane. Hope to meet you at Brodhead.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Pink Slip... the good kind! |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Very cool... congrats...!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Plywood Order |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
isn't 1/16" called out on the plans for the ribs? I was thinking that
was the right size... maybe i need to refocus on the plans. I too had
been planning okume ply. Watching with interest....fuse jig should be
available tomorrow! I cheated: CNC machined jig. :>)
On 5/7/11, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
> What do the Bingelis books say on using ply for ribs? I think 1/16 is ok,
> but refer to the experts.
>
> Dan
>
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> yocum137(at)gmail.com
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
> On May 7, 2011, at 9:55 AM, "Mark M" wrote:
>
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>> I have been trying to decide the best ( and cheapest) way to order my
>> plywood. I would like to get all of it at the same time because of the
>> shipping costs. I noticed that Boulter has the Okume in 1/16, 1/8 and 1/4
>> and would like to buy it all from them all at once. I think they are
>> cheaper than AS&S from what I can calculate. So 2 questions,
>>
>> 1. Would 1/16th Okume by accecptable for wing ribs. Web site says water
>> and boil proof in all sizes. But is the strength enough?
>>
>> 2. Here is what I am thinking of ordering. Any other suggestions?
>>
>> 1/16th One and a half sheets to cover the leading edge and gussets
>> for the ribs.
>>
>> 1/8th 2 full sheets for remaining gussets,
>> fuselage sides, seat backs, and turtle decks.
>>
>> 1/4 full sheet for fuselage floor and seat
>> bottoms.
>> What do you think?
>> Mark
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>> Read this topic online here:
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I can't find my Air Compressor |
10,000 fewer rivets than an RV-10 would still mean that a Pietenpol would
have 15,000 rivets.
Jack
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I can't find my Air Compressor
Pietenpol builders don't need no stinking air compressor. There are 10,000
fewer rivets than that (very cool by the way) RV-10............
Now if your Nicopress was missing.......... ;-)
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Model "A" engine for sale] |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Dan,
I'm glad you asked. Monday I flew the Aeronca back to Poplar Grove, to work
on the Piet for a couple of days. It has become apparent that I am not goi
ng to have enough spare time to spend here up north, in order to create and
finish the battery/electronic ignition system I was working on. So I took
it off and I am just going with the one crank-driven magneto. At some point
in the future I will finish my work on the new system, but not now. So the
plan is to show up at Brodhead this year. I am ready to test-run, but it i
s raining now and I'll have to wait awhile.
As some of you might know, I have a model A with an 8-plug head. Can anyone
see any problem with having that extra set of plugs in there not firing? I
don't think it will be a problem, but I am open to hearing all views.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off and Cloudcars prop |
Jack, I bought my engine from Rucker Tibbs without logs, and also have a
Cloudcars prop. Scott Liefield, the Cloudcars prop is a 72 X 44. I'll let you
all know how it performs. So far, I get about 2050 rpm at static runup,
but figuring it should go higher when the airplane is airborne.
Matt Paxton
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| From: | Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics problem? |
Is anyone else having trouble with the digest version of the Pietlist not
loading?
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off and Cloudcars prop |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Matt,
What engine do you have the Cloudcar bolted to?
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Plywood Order |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
First off, 1/16" IS the thickness called for in the plans, for the wing rib gussets.
I used Finnish Birch A/C ply for mine, but the ribs are very robust. While
Okoume is not quite as strong as Birch I'm sure it would work just fine for
the rib gussets. I'm using 1088 Okoume Marine ply for all the rest of my plywood
in my construction.
And secondly, Mark (Roberts), never mind making CNC-machined jigs - why not just
build some airplane parts.
Bill C.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Model "A" engine for sale] |
Shouldn't be a problem, other than possibly fouling the non-firing plugs.
I'd advise cleaning them well before using them again.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: project statuses [was: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model "A" engine for
sale]
Dan,
I'm glad you asked. Monday I flew the Aeronca back to Poplar Grove, to work
on the Piet for a couple of days. It has become apparent that I am not going
to have enough spare time to spend here up north, in order to create and
finish the battery/electronic ignition system I was working on. So I took it
off and I am just going with the one crank-driven magneto. At some point in
the future I will finish my work on the new system, but not now. So the plan
is to show up at Brodhead this year. I am ready to test-run, but it is
raining now and I'll have to wait awhile.
As some of you might know, I have a model A with an 8-plug head. Can anyone
see any problem with having that extra set of plugs in there not firing? I
don't think it will be a problem, but I am open to hearing all views.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off and Cloudcars prop |
Did Rucker rebuild the engine? I've heard both good and bad things about
his "mechanikin' ".
Jack
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Woodflier(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 8:10 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 40 hour fly-off and Cloudcars prop
Jack, I bought my engine from Rucker Tibbs without logs, and also have a
Cloudcars prop. Scott Liefield, the Cloudcars prop is a 72 X 44. I'll let
you all know how it performs. So far, I get about 2050 rpm at static runup,
but figuring it should go higher when the airplane is airborne.
Matt Paxton
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| Subject: | Re: Matronics problem? |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Larry,
I just went to the Matronics website, and tried to access the Digest version, and
the link did not work for me.
In fact, none of the Digest version links(for other Lists) would work either.
But when I copied and pasted the URL into my browser, it worked.
Maybe this link will do the trick:
http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list/index.html
Bill C.
ABC, DEF, GHI
LMNOP
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340268#340268
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead tips |
I thought those X's ment that was runway 10 (roman numerals) I wondered why
they didn't all head east.
Looking forward to Brodhead, and my piet fly in
Shad
--- On Tue, 5/17/11, John Hofmann wrote:
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead tips
Date: Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 12:21 PM
Truer words were never said. I will be there to smack Kevin with a board if
needed.
A wise man once said "Smile son, never disconcert the masses."
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email:=C2-jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On May 17, 2011, at 11:04 AM, gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
Jarhead (and all first timers),
Be sure to watch and memorize lines from The Great Waldo Pepper. You do not
want to appear stupid or inconsequential by not inserting the proper quote
at the appropriate time in an otherwise seemingly meaningful conversation.
Gary
Sent on the Sprint=C2=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=C2=AE
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:42:51
tips
Please note the big yellow "X's" on the NW-SE and NE-SW runways. =C2-Thos
e
are reserved for Kevin "Axel" Purtee.
I kid, I kid!
Dan
On 05/17/2011 08:29 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
Here=99s an aerial photo of the field, with some of the main areas ma
rked:
North (to Brodhead)
Pietenpol parking
Hangars
and Movie
Main Runway
09/27
Forums, Dinners, and Shower area
I=99m getting psyched about it. After all, it is only 65 more days (j
ust
nine weeks from Thursday) until we all meet again. Still haven=99t de
cided
if I will fly my Piet there this year, but my guess is, if the weather
is good, I=99ll fly it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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*From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Douwe
Blumberg
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:45 AM
*To:* pietenpolgroup
*Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Brodhead tips
As mentioned, there is a variety of motels within striking distance if
you want a room. Rv=99s and campers are allowed by the road and aroun
d the
hangars and tents pretty much anywhere. Camping is allowed on the far
side of the closed runway by the trees, (I=99ve been told it was for
tents
only, though I=99m seeing some campers recently) However, NO GENERATO
RS
are allowed there, though they seem to be acceptable around the hangars.
Wherever you end up, they ask for a small camping =9Cdonation
=9D for which
you get your annual Brodhead pin to put on your tent or vehicle.
I THINK there=99s a dinner Friday and Sat evening and there=99s
a breakfast
some mornings, but I=99m not sure which. There are bathrooms and show
ers,
but you have to kind of time your spot as it gets pretty busy.
Sunday is usually just a day for leaving, so don=99t plan on doing
anything. Friday and Saturday seem to be the best days to be there, with
most planes arriving Thurs and Friday. Weather is always an issue so one
is never really sure who will show up or when.
There is an informal campfire most nights with people just hanging out,
and there is a legend of a movie night projected on the side of a
hangar. I=99ve heard it=99s Friday and I=99ve heard it
=99s Saturday, and I=99ve
always wanted to attend, but it seems to be a last minute, rather
secretive event, so good luck with that one.
There are few organized events, it=99s completely laid back. Sometime
s we
get a =9Cdawn patrol=9D of some of the more intrepid aviators a
nd nice
evenings always produce a great flying lineup. IF the weather is good,
planes just come and go all day with rides being hopped by various
friendly pilots. The only organized events are the seminars held on
Saturday, late morning, through the afternoon. These are all given by
volunteers and the topics cover a multitude of subjects based on that
person=99s expertise.
I=99ve seen pretty much every beverage imaginable being consumed at
Brodhead adult and otherwise.
Douwe
Ps. Congratulations on you guys who are done, you=99ve accomplished a
great thing. Fly safe!!
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| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I can't find my Air Compressor |
That's 15,000 STAPLES Jack.
Darrel
Sonoma
On 5/18/2011 4:14 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
>
> 10,000 fewer rivets than an RV-10 would still mean that a Pietenpol would
> have 15,000 rivets.
>
> Jack
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:13 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I can't find my Air Compressor
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "aerocarjake"
>
> Pietenpol builders don't need no stinking air compressor. There are 10,000
> fewer rivets than that (very cool by the way) RV-10............
>
> Now if your Nicopress was missing.......... ;-)
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340225#340225
>
>
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off and Cloudcars prop |
Matt,
Also verify that your tach is calibrated - an optical digital tachometer
will tell if it's correct or not. Here's one from ACS for $37:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/onetouch.php
Probably someone in your area has one they'll let you use, too.
Cheers,
Dan
On 05/18/2011 07:09 AM, Woodflier(at)aol.com wrote:
> Jack, I bought my engine from Rucker Tibbs without logs, and also have a
> Cloudcars prop. Scott Liefield, the Cloudcars prop is a 72 X 44. I'll
> let you all know how it performs. So far, I get about 2050 rpm at static
> runup, but figuring it should go higher when the airplane is airborne.
> Matt Paxton
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off and Cloudcars prop |
Good idea, Matt. You buy it then I can borrow it to see what my engine/prop
is really doing.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 40 hour fly-off and Cloudcars prop
Matt,
Also verify that your tach is calibrated - an optical digital tachometer
will tell if it's correct or not. Here's one from ACS for $37:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/onetouch.php
Probably someone in your area has one they'll let you use, too.
Cheers,
Dan
On 05/18/2011 07:09 AM, Woodflier(at)aol.com wrote:
> Jack, I bought my engine from Rucker Tibbs without logs, and also have a
> Cloudcars prop. Scott Liefield, the Cloudcars prop is a 72 X 44. I'll
> let you all know how it performs. So far, I get about 2050 rpm at static
> runup, but figuring it should go higher when the airplane is airborne.
> Matt Paxton
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: project statuses [was: Re: Model "A" engine for sale] |
| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
I have been working mostly on finishing the '38 Taylorcraft restoration. Wx has
been lousy for any test flights, so to soothe myself, I started the Piet two
weekends ago. Ran fine for a couple minutes then shook like it was going to tear
itself off the mount. As I got around to to shut it down, I noticed no tach
and no oil pressure( I had both on start-up). In reviewing the situation, I am
pretty confident that the fiber cam gear self-destructed, throwing the timing
completely off.. I will tear it down as time allows. Discouraging to say the
least.
--------
PAPA MIKE
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | West Coast Piet Gathering |
Ok everyone, We're just two and a half weeks away from our third annual West
Coast Pietenpol Gathering!
Date: Saturday June 4th
Location: Frazier Lake (very nice grass strip airport just north of Hollister
CA)
If you're planning on coming it would be nice if you could rsvp to Charlie
Miller (our host)
or my self Mike Groah so Charlie can plan the food. We had a great turn out
and fun time last year
and I'm sure this year will be even better.
Attached is the info sheet for the event which has the times, phone numbers and
other details.
Thanks, and I hope to see you in June!
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente CA |
Guys-I used to get some really cool hand-written letters and photos from Da
niel
Cork (a former TWA Lockheed Constellation pilot) who built a really neat lo
oking Pietenpol
but lost touch with him and I presume he may have passed but hopefully not
and maybe
you all know of what happened to his Piet or if he ever flew it. I know
he had a son who
was helping him and was/ is a pilot too so perhaps the son has the airplane
or is flying
it. Any updates or info on Dan and his son would be greatly appreciated.
Michael Cuy
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| Subject: | Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente |
CA
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Michael,
I just did a quick search on the FAA Registry and there are no Pietenpols registered
to a last name Cork. There is a Gerald D Cork that owns a C172 in PA and
a Dennis R Cork that owns several Cessnas in AK.
Wish I had better news. I would love to have met him- any pilot that flew Connies
would be great to talk to!
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente |
CA
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Hi Mike,
I used to see Dan a lot. He used to come to my Piet gatherings in Corona. He
did finish the Piet. He had flown it a few times then ground looped it, folded
up one of the wire wheels and got the wing and prop. After that he gave it
to his son in Oklahoma. I don't know if it ever got rebuilt. Dan also had a
Tripacer and kept it at Kernville airport here in CA. Here is the last number
I had for him if you would like to give him a ring. 661-867-2704. I haven't
talked to him in several years now. Let me know what you find out.
His Piet even had a wine barrel with a tapper built into it. It was very creative.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente |
CA
Thanks very much for that great update Scott about Dan Cork !
Dan was such a nice guy and sent me all kinds of cool documentation about the
Constellations from back in the day when he was flying them.
I'll have to give Dan a ring and see if he's still around. I would love to catch
up with him. Thanks for that number. I'll let you know what I find out.
Mike Cuy
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| Subject: | Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente |
CA
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
The guy that owns the Piet now, per the FAA, lives about a mile south of
Mark C in Owasso!
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=541K
Ryan
(white pages search will find you his number)
<http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=541K>
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] wrote:
> AEROSPACE CORP]"
>
> Thanks very much for that great update Scott about Dan Cork !
>
> Dan was such a nice guy and sent me all kinds of cool documentation about
> the
> Constellations from back in the day when he was flying them.
>
> I'll have to give Dan a ring and see if he's still around. I would love
> to catch
> up with him. Thanks for that number. I'll let you know what I find out.
>
> Mike Cuy
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente |
CA
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
I guess I should try and call too. He's a great man. Now I feel bad for not calling
sooner. Shame on me.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente |
CA
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Great sleuthing.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, |
Caliente CA
Funny that I stumbled on that too Ryan and actually stumbled on some photos
of Mark C. on his EAA Chapter
web site with his wing ribs, wing, fuselage (not made on a CNC jig) and tai
lfeathers !
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork,
Caliente CA
The guy that owns the Piet now, per the FAA, lives about a mile south of Ma
rk C in Owasso!
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=541K
Ryan
(white pages search will find you his number)
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] > wrote:
SPACE CORP]" >
Thanks very much for that great update Scott about Dan Cork !
Dan was such a nice guy and sent me all kinds of cool documentation about t
he
Constellations from back in the day when he was flying them.
I'll have to give Dan a ring and see if he's still around. I would love t
o catch
up with him. Thanks for that number. I'll let you know what I find out.
Mike Cuy
st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
le, List Admin.
="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente |
CA
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Yep, it did get rebuilt and it flies regularly. N541K is actually a Grega and indeed it is creative... a beer tap, tomahawk, bottle opener and other items adorn the fuselage. The current owner lives on Gundy's airport in Owasso, Oklahoma, which is also where I am building and happens to be right down the street from the son, Dan Cork Jr. He can be contacted through his web site http://www.thebrewshack.com/.
Since we are on the subject, I'll share a short story... as many of you know, I
started on my project a little over two years ago. Shortly after I started work
on my project, I was looking for a cleanser for my beer kegerator lines.
A friend of mine recommended a place called The Brew Shack, which operates out
of a fellow's shop out behind his house. Once I looked at the address I realized
that this guy was located right across the field from my place, so I went
on over. Once I walked inside I saw props on the wall, airplane photos and several
other signs of aviation activity, so of course I offered that I was a pilot
and that I was building a Pietenpol. He paused for a second and then proceeded
to explain that he and his dad built a Grega. When he started to describe
it, I quickly realized which one he was talking about... It is actually the
only one I have sat in. He took me to his computer and we started looking through
a bunch of photos of him and his dad building N541K. Several days later
he dropped by to hand me a CD with a bunch of build photos, which was a nice
addition to my extremely limited collection. I had obviously not heard of West
Coast Piet or Jim Markle yet... I just know that he's going to come through
with those old Pietenpol newsletters in PDF format any day now.
If I had the CD here I would post a photo. Perhaps I can talk to Dan and the new
owner to see if they would mind me sending the photos to Chris at West Coast
Piet.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente |
CA
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Definitely NOT a CNC jig. LOL!
Yeah, I happened across the same results when I was looking for a photo. I know
the new owner pretty well... in fact, I'm borrowing his 00 and 000 torch tips.
I'm pretty sure that he and Dan would let me share the photos if you guys
are interested.
Unlike you old timers, I have no association with the dad, but the son seemed real
nice. Heck, he's a beer and wine guy... gets pretty high marks for that alone!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Gentlemen, I am in the process of tearing my Piet down to see what can be
saved. The fuselage and firewall forward are good. The tailcone needed some
repair and I have already done that. The landing gear has been rewelded but not
installed yet. My elevators are good but the horizontal and vertical stabs are
toast. I have been doing a lot of repair on the cowling. Also, I will be
rewiring because I took all the instruments out by cutting the wires to keep
from being stolen. I will need to build new wings as they really got smushed.
Will there be any ribs available at brodhead this year? I don't want to spend
all winter building ribs as I am too old. Cheers and I am keeping my hopes up.
See ya'll at Brodhead. I will be driving this time but I was planning to fly my
Piet up. Gardiner Mason
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Gardiner, If you'll buy the material I will build you the ribs.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 8:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: update
Gentlemen, I am in the process of tearing my Piet down to see what can be
saved. The fuselage and firewall forward are good. The tailcone needed some
repair and I have already done that. The landing gear has been rewelded but
not
installed yet. My elevators are good but the horizontal and vertical stabs
are
toast. I have been doing a lot of repair on the cowling. Also, I will be
rewiring because I took all the instruments out by cutting the wires to keep
from being stolen. I will need to build new wings as they really got
smushed.
Will there be any ribs available at brodhead this year? I don't want to
spend
all winter building ribs as I am too old. Cheers and I am keeping my hopes
up.
See ya'll at Brodhead. I will be driving this time but I was planning to fly
my
Piet up. Gardiner Mason
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| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
Anyone know what would be a fair price for a set of ribs ? These are original
Piet airfoil. Considering building a another set myself.
Dan
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| Subject: | Crosswind in a GN-1 and stalls |
| From: | "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> |
Fairly long post (adrenaline letdown).
After about 30 hours in this plane, am finally starting to expand my knowledge
of how it handles a wider flight envelope. Today, I learned about where my limit
in crosswind in the GN-1 is. Flew for a little over an hour and winds in Marshalltown,
Iowa were 9kt at 20 degrees off the runway heading when I took-off
- did six T@G with no problem (crosswind component = about 3kt, no biggie).
This was the most wind I've ever flown this plane in to date. However - keep reading
for the Paul Harvey version of the saga.
Next - went up to 3k AGL and did my first stall in this plane. Kept throttling
back and started playing around with slow flight getting a feel for it. At 47mph
indicated (1100rpm), the nose would start to wander around - at 45 mph I'd
get the occasional wiffodill (beginning light buffet of a stall). The rudder
was very sensitive and I felt like I could easily accidentally kick the plane
into a spin if not careful. At 42 mph indicated (the stick was about buried in
my nether regions) - the nose abruptly dropped like a stone slightly to the
right and plane quickly accelerated to 85 mph before I got it pulled out without
pulling too much G. This was a more abrupt stall with not as much warning
as the C-172 that I'm used to flying, but not too bad. However - my big lesson
on this was to make damn sure to watch the airspeed on final - no way will you
ever have time to pull out if you accidentally stall it, and you don't get very
much notice that it's going to happen.
Now the interesting part - I was flying past the airport again (on the way somewhere
else) and decided to check the AWOS - 19kt gusting to 26, 50 degrees off
the runway. Holy smokes.... that can't be right, it's only been an hour - next
update it was 17kt gusting to 25, 45 degrees off - next update it was 18kt
gusting to 24kt, 55 degrees off, then 21kt, then 25, then 23... Okay - I needed
to get down NOW before I soiling myself thinking about this...
First approach was 19 gusting to 23 at 55 degrees off - and I was full rudder and
couldn't hold the 100ft wide runway - was churning butter with the stick it
was miserably rough within 100 ft of the ground - aborted and went around.
Second approach was reported 18 gusting 26 at 55 off the runway- absolute full
rudder and about 30 degrees down wing to hold center line - to a landing that
I would be happy with in a normal situation. Was down and stopped in about 300ft.
What an absolute ego trip!! Of bloody course nobody was watching to congratulate
me on my expert pilot skills... sigh...
18kt crosswind at 55 off the runway is around a 15kt direct crosswind component
- or 17+mph. I don't think I saw more than about a 23kt gust - which would put
it at about 19kt crosswind (22mph).
I'm impressed with the planes ability to handle this high of crosswind - I don't
know what the plane is actually capable of, but I was definitely at my personal
limit.
Too much excitement today for me.
Lorin
--------
Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| Subject: | Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente |
CA
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Michael,
I am glad that you were able to get this search completed so quickly. It also never
ceases to amaze me how small this Pietenpol world truly is. It also amazes
me how everyone is willing to help and support each other as a part of this
great building and flying community.
I am excited about the opportunity to meet some of you at Brodhead this year. I
have my notebook, pen, and camera ready!
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Dan,
I believe they sell at Brodhead for $300. Can't remember but I sold a set
for $200 to $300 a couple of years ago.
Jack
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwilson
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 9:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: update
Anyone know what would be a fair price for a set of ribs ? These are
original Piet airfoil. Considering building a another set myself.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Crosswind in a GN-1 and stalls |
| From: | "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> |
Thanks guys! Jack - am going to have to slip down some time and see your project.
lorin
--------
Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Jack, I am flabbergasted. Of course I will take you up on that. But let me see
what I can come up with at Brodhead first. Last year there two sets available
for about 300.00. Thanks, Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 8:47:34 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: update
Gardiner, If you'll buy the material I will build you the ribs.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 8:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: update
Gentlemen, I am in the process of tearing my Piet down to see what can be
saved. The fuselage and firewall forward are good. The tailcone needed some
repair and I have already done that. The landing gear has been rewelded but
not
installed yet. My elevators are good but the horizontal and vertical stabs
are
toast. I have been doing a lot of repair on the cowling. Also, I will be
rewiring because I took all the instruments out by cutting the wires to keep
from being stolen. I will need to build new wings as they really got
smushed.
Will there be any ribs available at brodhead this year? I don't want to
spend
all winter building ribs as I am too old. Cheers and I am keeping my hopes
up.
See ya'll at Brodhead. I will be driving this time but I was planning to fly
my
Piet up. Gardiner Mason
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Tom's son on msnbc.com |
This morning there's an interesting video on msnbc.msn.com about a recent Virgin
Galactic flight....
And Tom Stinemetze's son is interviewed! Pretty cool....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er9-sTDhJ58&feature=player_detailpage
Congrats Tom!
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Crosswind in a GN-1 and stalls |
Lorin:
What airfoil does your GN-1 have? That power-off stall speed
and abrupt nose-down don't sound like what my Piet does with
the stock Pietenpol undercambered airfoil.
A tip of my hat to you for the x-wind landing though. Nice
save after one 'bolter'... it usually goes downhill after you
miss one and the pressure is on.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
San Antonio, TX (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tom's son on msnbc.com |
Thanks for the kudo Jim. Yes, I have a son who builds space ships. But
at least I can grow hair.
Stinemetze
N328X (SpaceShipZero.One)
>>> Jim Markle 5/19/2011 7:27 AM >>>
>
This morning there's an interesting video on msnbc.msn.com about a recent
Virgin Galactic flight....
And Tom Stinemetze's son is interviewed! Pretty cool....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er9-sTDhJ58&feature=player_detailpage
Congrats Tom!
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| From: | Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Crosswind in a GN-1 and stalls |
I have been amazed at the crosswinds my GN-1 can handle. In central
Oklahoma in the springtime, if you don't fly in high gusty winds you
don't fly (or at least not often at all). I've been known to show up
at the local (KPVJ) monthly fly-in on a day when no one else would
fly...in my sub 1,000lbs plane. The super, super low ground speed
makes an amazing difference when landing. It is hard to ground loop
when your groundspeed is 15 to 20mph and you still have an airspeed of
40 to 50mph to keep the tail behind you, even if it is a 45 degree
crosswind. Landing with a 100 to 200 foot rollout is common on these
days. I come down with maybe 2,000 or more RPM (A-75), get 3' to 5'
up, and wait until the gusts let up enough to stabilize, chop the
power and it'll be on the ground and stopped in under 10 seconds due
to the headwind.
I completely understand your "churning butter with the stick" comment.
At these low speeds with gusty winds you'll be taking the stick from
stop to stop very fast and very often. Knock on wood, I haven't
really even scared myself on landing yet (in 400 or so hours in the
plane). I have however thought much about increasing the rate of
aileron deflection I get with the stick so that I can go stop to stop
faster (not more total deflection, just faster deflection).
After these landings, you have a combined feeling of "wow, that was
great", and "wow, that was stupid, don't do that again" and "wow, that
was great practice, I need to do this semi-regularly to keep my skills
up".
Sure is fun. :)
As for stalls, I've never gotten mine to do more than a fast mush. It
has never broken over on me, but I can pull the nose up 30 or more
degrees with no power and she just mushes forward (and downward), with
probably more than 500fpm descent (that is a guess, I have no VSI).
Steve Ruse
in windy, gusty Norman, OK
Quoting ldmill :
>
> Fairly long post (adrenaline letdown).
>
> After about 30 hours in this plane, am finally starting to expand my
> knowledge of how it handles a wider flight envelope. Today, I
> learned about where my limit in crosswind in the GN-1 is. Flew for a
> little over an hour and winds in Marshalltown, Iowa were 9kt at 20
> degrees off the runway heading when I took-off - did six T@G with no
> problem (crosswind component = about 3kt, no biggie). This was the
> most wind I've ever flown this plane in to date. However - keep
> reading for the Paul Harvey version of the saga.
>
> Next - went up to 3k AGL and did my first stall in this plane. Kept
> throttling back and started playing around with slow flight getting
> a feel for it. At 47mph indicated (1100rpm), the nose would start
> to wander around - at 45 mph I'd get the occasional wiffodill
> (beginning light buffet of a stall). The rudder was very sensitive
> and I felt like I could easily accidentally kick the plane into a
> spin if not careful. At 42 mph indicated (the stick was about buried
> in my nether regions) - the nose abruptly dropped like a stone
> slightly to the right and plane quickly accelerated to 85 mph before
> I got it pulled out without pulling too much G. This was a more
> abrupt stall with not as much warning as the C-172 that I'm used to
> flying, but not too bad. However - my big lesson on this was to make
> damn sure to watch the airspeed on final - no way will you ever have
> time to pull out if you accidentally stall it, and you don't get
> very much notice that it's going to happen.
>
> Now the interesting part - I was flying past the airport again (on
> the way somewhere else) and decided to check the AWOS - 19kt
> gusting to 26, 50 degrees off the runway. Holy smokes.... that
> can't be right, it's only been an hour - next update it was 17kt
> gusting to 25, 45 degrees off - next update it was 18kt gusting to
> 24kt, 55 degrees off, then 21kt, then 25, then 23... Okay - I
> needed to get down NOW before I soiling myself thinking about this...
>
> First approach was 19 gusting to 23 at 55 degrees off - and I was
> full rudder and couldn't hold the 100ft wide runway - was churning
> butter with the stick it was miserably rough within 100 ft of the
> ground - aborted and went around.
>
> Second approach was reported 18 gusting 26 at 55 off the runway-
> absolute full rudder and about 30 degrees down wing to hold center
> line - to a landing that I would be happy with in a normal
> situation. Was down and stopped in about 300ft. What an absolute
> ego trip!! Of bloody course nobody was watching to congratulate me
> on my expert pilot skills... sigh...
>
> 18kt crosswind at 55 off the runway is around a 15kt direct
> crosswind component - or 17+mph. I don't think I saw more than about
> a 23kt gust - which would put it at about 19kt crosswind (22mph).
>
> I'm impressed with the planes ability to handle this high of
> crosswind - I don't know what the plane is actually capable of, but
> I was definitely at my personal limit.
>
> Too much excitement today for me.
>
> Lorin
>
> --------
> Lorin Miller
> Waiex N81YX
> GN-1 N30PP
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340350#340350
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Crosswind in a GN-1 and stalls |
| From: | "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> |
Hi Oscar,
I think I've got the stock Grega airfoil on it. I didn't get a build log when
I purchased the plane, am fairly new to the Piet world - so am not for sure.
That's one of the things that I'd like to look at on Jack's plane in Des Moines.
Also - talking to my boss this morning (who is also a CFII), he said that
moderate power on stalls tend to have the worst characteristics as it pulls in
torque effect, etc. He highly recommended that I do a full power off stall next
time up to get a true feel for how the plane responds.
I've had time now to sit and mull over the whole landing sequence and pick it
apart. I had to bolt on the first landing - just too much turbulence and couldn't
keep the plane lined up on the runway. Could have possibly saved it - but
it wasn't worth taking the chance. I realized that there was more crosswind
than I could handle with just full rudder and cross control.
Second landing I had to approach in a huge crab, then at the last second full
cross control and slip down and slow wheel landing. Had the tail down in about
3 seconds. It was amazing landing like that with the wind blasting me from the
left side. I'd never done it before. Very turbulent in an open cockpit plane...
I've got 40 hours total tailwheel time now with one beautiful soft "off into
the grass" groundloop skid (right in front of my boss - of course). I wouldn't
trade this type of flying for anything.
Lorin
--------
Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Crosswind in a GN-1 and stalls |
Lorin,
Have you put gap seals on your ailerons? It makes a world of difference
in a cross-wind.
Dan
On 05/18/2011 10:36 PM, ldmill wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "ldmill"
>
> Fairly long post (adrenaline letdown).
>
> After about 30 hours in this plane, am finally starting to expand my knowledge
of how it handles a wider flight envelope. Today, I learned about where my limit
in crosswind in the GN-1 is. Flew for a little over an hour and winds in
Marshalltown, Iowa were 9kt at 20 degrees off the runway heading when I took-off
- did six T@G with no problem (crosswind component = about 3kt, no biggie).
This was the most wind I've ever flown this plane in to date. However - keep
reading for the Paul Harvey version of the saga.
>
> Next - went up to 3k AGL and did my first stall in this plane. Kept throttling
back and started playing around with slow flight getting a feel for it. At 47mph
indicated (1100rpm), the nose would start to wander around - at 45 mph I'd
get the occasional wiffodill (beginning light buffet of a stall). The rudder
was very sensitive and I felt like I could easily accidentally kick the plane
into a spin if not careful. At 42 mph indicated (the stick was about buried
in my nether regions) - the nose abruptly dropped like a stone slightly to the
right and plane quickly accelerated to 85 mph before I got it pulled out without
pulling too much G. This was a more abrupt stall with not as much warning
as the C-172 that I'm used to flying, but not too bad. However - my big lesson
on this was to make damn sure to watch the airspeed on final - no way will
you ever have time to pull out if you accidentally stall it, and you don't get
very much notice that it's going to happen.
>
> Now the interesting part - I was flying past the airport again (on the way somewhere
else) and decided to check the AWOS - 19kt gusting to 26, 50 degrees
off the runway. Holy smokes.... that can't be right, it's only been an hour -
next update it was 17kt gusting to 25, 45 degrees off - next update it was 18kt
gusting to 24kt, 55 degrees off, then 21kt, then 25, then 23... Okay - I needed
to get down NOW before I soiling myself thinking about this...
>
> First approach was 19 gusting to 23 at 55 degrees off - and I was full rudder
and couldn't hold the 100ft wide runway - was churning butter with the stick
it was miserably rough within 100 ft of the ground - aborted and went around.
>
> Second approach was reported 18 gusting 26 at 55 off the runway- absolute full
rudder and about 30 degrees down wing to hold center line - to a landing that
I would be happy with in a normal situation. Was down and stopped in about 300ft.
What an absolute ego trip!! Of bloody course nobody was watching to congratulate
me on my expert pilot skills... sigh...
>
> 18kt crosswind at 55 off the runway is around a 15kt direct crosswind component
- or 17+mph. I don't think I saw more than about a 23kt gust - which would
put it at about 19kt crosswind (22mph).
>
> I'm impressed with the planes ability to handle this high of crosswind - I don't
know what the plane is actually capable of, but I was definitely at my personal
limit.
>
> Too much excitement today for me.
>
> Lorin
>
> --------
> Lorin Miller
> Waiex N81YX
> GN-1 N30PP
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340350#340350
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Tom's son on msnbc.com |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
That is awesome. Thanks Jim!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Cloudcars prop |
Scott, the engine is a Continental A65-8.
Matt
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 40 hour fly-off and Cloudcars prop
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Matt,
What engine do you have the Cloudcar bolted to?
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Engine rebuild |
Jack, Bob Barrows, who built a really true-to-plans Piet years ago, and the
designer of the Bearhawk series of airplanes, redid the engine. He's very
good.
Matt
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cloudcars prop |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Matt,
I know that on a CUb with a 65 Cont. and certified wood prop, it would have these
prop choices.
72x42 for cruise
72x40 for climb
I believe that Mike Cuy is flying his with the same engine you have. He would
probably have better and confirmed info for you. Not sure but I think your redline
is 2350 RPM.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol For Sale |
Built in 2008, TTAE ~55 hours, Completely rebuilt Continental 65,
Polyfiber covered, gear is Fly Baby type, Scott tail wheel, 800 x 6
mains, basic instruments, hand prop, light sport, located in N.W.
Michigan @ Antrim County (ACB ) airport, hangered
I'm asking $14,750 but will consider any reasonable offer. Bought a
1941Taylorcraft and can't afford to have 2 planes
Jim Lagowski
231-264-6489 Home
231-709-1373 Cell
jimdeb(at)charter.net
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| Subject: | Flip-open map storage door... |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Having continued fun working on the Piet...
The most recent few days have been spent fabricating a flip-down door for the forward
"instrument board" (as Bernard called it) I am planning to use that space
for storage, not instruments so the panel is attached via cabinet hinges with
a veneer of "Bubinga" overlay (so that the fastener heads do not show.)
Having a wonderful time....
I'm finally able to work in the shop with the door wide-open to the greenbelt -
because the weather is so nice, yahooo...!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Crosswind in a GN-1 and stalls |
| From: | "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> |
Steve - thanks for the hints! I also have an A-75 in mine - so will try that technique
next time. From landing to completed roll out was at most 200ft last
evening. The last full month here in central Iowa has been pretty much 15-20+mph
almost every day - so I understand what you're saying - either fly in it -
or not much flying to be had.
Your comment "After these landings, you have a combined feeling of "wow, that was
great", and "wow, that was stupid, don't do that again" and "wow, that was
great practice, I need to do this semi-regularly to keep my skills up" was a perfect
synopsis of how I was feeling last night!
Dan,
Yes, I do have gap seals on the ailerons. They are very responsive when moved,
that's not an issue, it just takes quite a bit of stick movement to move the
ailerons very much.
Lorin
--------
Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | dust cover on engine |
Hey all,
Getting ready to put my newly rebuilt engine back on. However, the project
sits in a corner of my studio and we're making a LOT of mess these days.
Mostly it's aluminum dust as we're grinding on some big aluminum projects.
I'm paranoid about stuff getting into my engine, not to say dirtying up her
pretty new paint job, and yet I need to hang it now to hook it up and finish
the cowling.
Thought you guys might have some clever ideas for covering it up.
Douwe
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Dave & Connie, there was no message re Brodhead!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave and Connie" <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net>
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: dust cover on engine |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Well, your concern is things getting inside. If it is assembled and ready t
o
go...the carb/intake and breather should pretty well be the only place for
"ambient dust" to get in. Tape those over and throw a bedsheet over it. If
you are really concerned, put a contractor's trash bag over it, and seal up
with duct tape. The way the weather is going thus far, should be fine. If i
t
starts getting hot and humid, toss a bag of dessicant in....but then
again....she better be on your Piet before that happens! (I would just go
with the bedsheet though)
Ryan
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 6:18 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> Hey all,
>
>
> Getting ready to put my newly rebuilt engine back on. However, the proje
ct
> sits in a corner of my studio and we=92re making a LOT of mess these days
.
> Mostly it=92s aluminum dust as we=92re grinding on some big aluminum proj
ects.
> I=92m paranoid about stuff getting into my engine, not to say dirtying up
her
> pretty new paint job, and yet I need to hang it now to hook it up and fin
ish
> the cowling.
>
>
> Thought you guys might have some clever ideas for covering it up.
>
>
> Douwe
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: dust cover on engine |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Use a tarp [Laughing]
--------
John
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340461#340461
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| Subject: | Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente |
CA
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Mike,
I just got off the phone with Dan Cork. He sounded pretty good. I'm sure he would
like to hear from you. He said you were a great inspiration for him. Only
got to talk for a couple of minutes due to me being at work. I know, I shouldn't
let that get in the way. But it pays the bills and I have to. The number
I gave you is a good one to reach him at.
Have a great weekend,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente |
CA
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Great! Glad you guys are catching up with him. Someone be sure to tell him that
his airplane is still flying regularly.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente |
CA
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
He said he knew it was flying and also said something about the EAA magazine and
maybe an article in it. I don't remember seeing it. He was happy that the
all the strange markings and such were still intact on the plane.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: catching up with a West Coast Piet Senior |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
He'll really like that.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: dust cover on engine |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Douwe,
I use those trash bags that are really big. I just slip it over the engine and
tie a wire around it at the rear of the engine. I don't remember where I got them
but they work great.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | And so it begins.... In earnest |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Well, I brought home the Fuse side jig today and assembled it in the shop.
Next stop: taking raw air-dryed vertical grain sitka spruce and cutting it
into very long 1.25" square sticks and planing them into 1" square sticks to
begin!
Here's pics:
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Gathering |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Mike:
Jody and I will be there again this year.... She's the one that keeps
reminding me what weekend it is, so I know she's serious!
See you then!
Mark
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Michael Groah wrote:
> **Ok everyone, We're just two and a half weeks away from our third annual West
Coast Pietenpol Gathering!
>
> Date: Saturday June 4th
> Location: Frazier Lake (very nice grass strip airport just north of Hollister
CA)
>
> If you're planning on coming it would be nice if you could rsvp to Charlie Miller
(our host)
> or my self Mike Groah so Charlie can plan the food. We had a great turn out
and fun time
> last year
> and I'm sure this year will be even better.
>
> Attached is the info sheet for the event which has the times, phone numbers and
other details.
>
> Thanks, and I hope to see you in June!
>
> Mike Groah
> Tulare CA
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Plywood Order |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Ha!
Ok, Ok,,,, I know what a dork I must seem with the CNC stuff. But actually,
most of the time I have spent on the CNC stuff has been time when I couldn't
build airplane parts. I either didn't have the money, or the area to build.
Much of what I am doing is a part of the whole process for me: Enjoyable and
fun. I am building the plane to fit me, and that has taken a little
re-designing in Sketch up, and making the adjustments 'fit'.
However, if I had the money over the last few months, I wouldn't have spent
all that time drawing the plane and making CNC jig drawings. I'da been
building a plane...
Oddly enough, the drawings and the cut files took less time than attempting
to draw the fuse pattern on the building board, and potentially getting the
drawing wrong.
Either way, fun stuff for me :o)
Mark
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Bill Church wrote:
> billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
>
> First off, 1/16" IS the thickness called for in the plans, for the wing rib
> gussets. I used Finnish Birch A/C ply for mine, but the ribs are very
> robust. While Okoume is not quite as strong as Birch I'm sure it would work
> just fine for the rib gussets. I'm using 1088 Okoume Marine ply for all the
> rest of my plywood in my construction.
> And secondly, Mark (Roberts), never mind making CNC-machined jigs - why not
> just build some airplane parts.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340261#340261
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: final good-bye |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Larry,
I am going out and work on my Pietenpol just in case air transport is not furnished.
Mike Cuy said:
"sent from my regular old Dell Windows 7 PC not a smartphone or dumb phone or Ipod,
Ipad, or Itouch."
I am out of touch. My phone has a wire attached to it...Bell I believe. His 'puter
has 7 windows in it?
don't you dare archive
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340510#340510
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | And so it begins.... In earnest |
Mark,
That is indeed great news! I admire you for holding on to The Dream! And
your work area is to be envied=85
For 8 years I have had a planer, partially dismantled, stuffed away in
my
garage. I dug it out a few weeks ago, spent an hour putting it back
together, and used it to plane down the =BD=94 spars for the aileron
bays. =91till
now, everything had been done just with a table saw, and the results
have
been OK, but, if I had it to do over, I would do as you are, and use the
planer more extensively.
See you at Frazier Lake!
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Roberts
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 9:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: And so it begins.... In earnest
Well, I brought home the Fuse side jig today and assembled it in the
shop.
Next stop: taking raw air-dryed vertical grain sitka spruce and cutting
it
into very long 1.25" square sticks and planing them into 1" square
sticks to
begin!
Here's pics:
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| Subject: | Re: And so it begins.... In earnest |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Gary! You've always been so encouraging! FINALLY after so many
months/years of wanting to build and not being able to due to finances, I
can officially begin. I had to scratch the building itch by planning and
drawing but now I can start making saw dust. The shop I worked with for the
year plus of unemployment stocks sitka, verticle grain, and I have put money
on account with him. He has some particle board blocking the rack where the
spruce is, or I'd already been making little wood chips.
Patience is an attribute, but I ain't got none left!
See ya in a couple of weeks...
Mark
On May 21, 2011 7:09 AM, "Gboothe5" wrote:
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| Subject: | A few fuse questions... |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hi All:
Over the several months of reading the list, I have begun to mix reality
with memory farts. Not a good combo.
I see in the building manual the fuse sides glued on before joining
together. I think I read here that the sides should be put on after joining
and installing the rudder hat, stick, etc. Is this the way to go, or better
to skin the sides on the bench?
Tail post: carve the posts on each side to join at the tail to equal 1" or
install the 1" post after joining the sides? I think it is a carved post but
thought I'd check...
I have been thinking that I am to build the sides, join them, install the
floor ply, add the controls, and ply sides last. However, the build pics
seem to show all the folks skinnin' and flooring' first.
Thanks for the advice!
Mark
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | A few fuse questions... |
Mark,
Save the side skins for later. There is an incredible amount of work that
you can do with the sides off, including most of the controls. You can put
the bottom on as soon as you have the two sides joined together.
The tail posts should be shave down before standing the sides up. Not sure
how others did it, but here's how I did mine:
1) Mark a centerline on your work table
2) Measure out from the center line and affix blocks to the table that
are parallel to the center, back to the last station behind the pilot seat
3) Insert a longeron and bend it to the correct point at the tail post.
Affix a block of wood to hold it.
4) Now you can extend the center line on to the longeron, make the line
and cut it.
5) Rudder posts would be cut to fit the longeron dimension at the end.
That was just my way.there may be an easier method. I would be interested to
hear what changes you have made. I wish I had angled back the pilot seat
juuust a bit.
Good luck,
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A few fuse questions...
Hi All:
Over the several months of reading the list, I have begun to mix reality
with memory farts. Not a good combo.
I see in the building manual the fuse sides glued on before joining
together. I think I read here that the sides should be put on after joining
and installing the rudder hat, stick, etc. Is this the way to go, or better
to skin the sides on the bench?
Tail post: carve the posts on each side to join at the tail to equal 1" or
install the 1" post after joining the sides? I think it is a carved post but
thought I'd check...
I have been thinking that I am to build the sides, join them, install the
floor ply, add the controls, and ply sides last. However, the build pics
seem to show all the folks skinnin' and flooring' first.
Thanks for the advice!
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: A few fuse questions... |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Gary, that'll be the way I'll do it as well. I have the Tables set
up, so doing what you suggeted will be easier before I start connecting the
stingers together. I think how you describe it is a logical process...
I finally decided to fit my big fat butt (however, lost 15 lbs in the last
3
months... Flu does that to ya!) I am widening the fuse to 28" firewall to
the pilot seat back, dropped the fuse bottom 2" at the pilot seat, moved th
e
seat back 2" at the top of the pilot's seat back, and extended the nose 2"
at the firewall to balance (and to prevent the added lead I keep hearing
about with some builds... I am already pilot-tail heavier than most)
Nothing I am doing should effect overall design strength. I am using the
Riblett GA 30-613.5 (as Harry told me to call it when I spoke to him on the
phone....I kept calling it 'the 613.5' and he kept correcting me...), and I
have toyed with adding a bay to each tip with a strut extension out one bay
to keep the strength in, but I am not sure yet. I don't know if the Riblett
airfoil will be enough to compensate for 100 Plus summer days. I want to
build in more lift, and Harry said the GA-30-613.5 would be the best choice
.
Anyway, loads of fun to finally start. I really appreciate all of your help
and moreal support over the last year!
I think I owe ya dinner when you come to town next! Now that I have a job
again i can actually afford to take ya :o)
Mark
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Gboothe5 wrote:
> Mark,
>
>
> Save the side skins for later. There is an incredible amount of work tha
t
> you can do with the sides off, including most of the controls. You can pu
t
> the bottom on as soon as you have the two sides joined together.
>
>
> The tail posts should be shave down before standing the sides up. Not sur
e
> how others did it, but here=92s how I did mine:
>
>
> 1) Mark a centerline on your work table
>
> 2) Measure out from the center line and affix blocks to the table
> that are parallel to the center, back to the last station behind the pilo
t
> seat
>
> 3) Insert a longeron and bend it to the correct point at the tail
> post. Affix a block of wood to hold it.
>
> 4) Now you can extend the center line on to the longeron, make the
> line and cut it.
>
> 5) Rudder posts would be cut to fit the longeron dimension at the
> end.
>
>
> That was just my way=85there may be an easier method. I would be interest
ed
> to hear what changes you have made. I wish I had angled back the pilot se
at
> juuust a bit=85
>
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