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> > Good luck, > > Gary > > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Mark Roberts > *Sent:* Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:04 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: A few fuse questions... > > > Hi All: > > Over the several months of reading the list, I have begun to mix reality > with memory farts. Not a good combo. > > I see in the building manual the fuse sides glued on before joining > together. I think I read here that the sides should be put on after joini ng > and installing the rudder hat, stick, etc. Is this the way to go, or bet ter > to skin the sides on the bench? > > Tail post: carve the posts on each side to join at the tail to equal 1" o r > install the 1" post after joining the sides? I think it is a carved post but > thought I'd check... > > I have been thinking that I am to build the sides, join them, install the > floor ply, add the controls, and ply sides last. However, the build pics > seem to show all the folks skinnin' and flooring' first. > > Thanks for the advice! > > Mark > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: A few fuse questions...
Date: May 21, 2011
Mark, I'll hold you to that dinner date! As for extra wing-span, maybe Jack Phillips could jump in. I think he built a wider center section, giving him the extra length.but don't remember for sure. You may be looking at an O290 or a the ever-crowd-pleasing Corvair, and may want some more fuel. A larger center section would help with that. I remember starting on my fuse.Happy Days! Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A few fuse questions... Thanks Gary, that'll be the way I'll do it as well. I have the Tables set up, so doing what you suggeted will be easier before I start connecting the stingers together. I think how you describe it is a logical process... I finally decided to fit my big fat butt (however, lost 15 lbs in the last 3 months... Flu does that to ya!) I am widening the fuse to 28" firewall to the pilot seat back, dropped the fuse bottom 2" at the pilot seat, moved the seat back 2" at the top of the pilot's seat back, and extended the nose 2" at the firewall to balance (and to prevent the added lead I keep hearing about with some builds... I am already pilot-tail heavier than most) Nothing I am doing should effect overall design strength. I am using the Riblett GA 30-613.5 (as Harry told me to call it when I spoke to him on the phone....I kept calling it 'the 613.5' and he kept correcting me...), and I have toyed with adding a bay to each tip with a strut extension out one bay to keep the strength in, but I am not sure yet. I don't know if the Riblett airfoil will be enough to compensate for 100 Plus summer days. I want to build in more lift, and Harry said the GA-30-613.5 would be the best choice. Anyway, loads of fun to finally start. I really appreciate all of your help and moreal support over the last year! I think I owe ya dinner when you come to town next! Now that I have a job again i can actually afford to take ya :o) Mark On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Gboothe5 wrote: Mark, Save the side skins for later. There is an incredible amount of work that you can do with the sides off, including most of the controls. You can put the bottom on as soon as you have the two sides joined together. The tail posts should be shave down before standing the sides up. Not sure how others did it, but here's how I did mine: 1) Mark a centerline on your work table 2) Measure out from the center line and affix blocks to the table that are parallel to the center, back to the last station behind the pilot seat 3) Insert a longeron and bend it to the correct point at the tail post. Affix a block of wood to hold it. 4) Now you can extend the center line on to the longeron, make the line and cut it. 5) Rudder posts would be cut to fit the longeron dimension at the end. That was just my way.there may be an easier method. I would be interested to hear what changes you have made. I wish I had angled back the pilot seat juuust a bit. Good luck, Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 10:04 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A few fuse questions... Hi All: Over the several months of reading the list, I have begun to mix reality with memory farts. Not a good combo. I see in the building manual the fuse sides glued on before joining together. I think I read here that the sides should be put on after joining and installing the rudder hat, stick, etc. Is this the way to go, or better to skin the sides on the bench? Tail post: carve the posts on each side to join at the tail to equal 1" or install the 1" post after joining the sides? I think it is a carved post but thought I'd check... I have been thinking that I am to build the sides, join them, install the floor ply, add the controls, and ply sides last. However, the build pics seem to show all the folks skinnin' and flooring' first. Thanks for the advice! Mark http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 21, 2011
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: end of the world?
It's just after 6:00 p.m. where I am and the end of the world didn't happen here........or maybe I just missed it????? I can think of 6 times that the end of the world didn't happen. Guess we'll just have to sink deeper into depravity before it comes to pass. In the meantime,"Grab your courage everybody 'cause it's flying weather"! Larry "The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" (anon) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 21, 2011
From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: end of the world?
My son decided to check out early to avoid the rapture rush.....Maybe he should have waited.......--- On Sat, 5/21/11, Lawrence Williams wrote: From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: end of the world? Date: Saturday, May 21, 2011, 7:09 PM It's just after 6:00 p.m. where I am and the end of the world didn't happen here........or maybe I just missed it????? I can think of 6 times that the end of the world didn't happen. Guess we'll just have to sink deeper into depravity before it comes to pass. In the meantime,"Grab your courage everybody 'cause it's flying weather"! Larry "The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" (anon) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: end of the world?
Date: May 21, 2011
Sorry boys, doomsday has been put on hold. The trumpet players union went on strike. Apparently the Powers-That-Be cut off their supply of something called Yeungling?? Clif Never underestimate the ability of complete fools to defeat the completely foolproof safety devises. From: Rick Holland Yup, 5 months of hell on earth for the rest of us, wonder if I can get my 40 hours flown off before we all go to hell. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 21, 2011
Subject: What are ya using to log your build?
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Funny how I have had a year and a half to ask questions, but one the actual rubber meets the road and the wood chips start flyin', I get questions. What are you using to document your build? I know there are websites, but I forget which they are, and if they are better than starting your own. I have seen www.mywoodenairplane.com and the guy building that plane is a programmer and wrote the code for himself, so, not for sale....but I like his site. I want to document the build on line to share ideas and the build, and hopefully encourage others as I was encouraged whilst on the sidelines. Any and all options appreciated! Mark ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: What are ya using to log your build?
From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net>
Date: May 21, 2011
You can always send the pictures to Chris Tracy and have them put up on www.westcoastpiet.com like many of the other guys on the list have done. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340570#340570 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: final good-bye
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 21, 2011
Well I didn't work on my Piet today but got to fly backseat in a T-6 flying a three-ship formation for about a half hour....... not a bad final day on earth (ha.!) Hope the rest of you enjoyed.your last day...... If the world is still here tomorrow I plan to work on my passenger door........ Ooops, the world may end, I'm putting a passenger door on my Piet.....! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340571#340571 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: What are ya using to log your build?
Date: May 22, 2011
Been using www.mykitplane.com. No complaints.. Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 9:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: What are ya using to log your build? Funny how I have had a year and a half to ask questions, but one the actual rubber meets the road and the wood chips start flyin', I get questions. What are you using to document your build? I know there are websites, but I forget which they are, and if they are better than starting your own. I have seen www.mywoodenairplane.com and the guy building that plane is a programmer and wrote the code for himself, so, not for sale....but I like his site. I want to document the build on line to share ideas and the build, and hopefully encourage others as I was encouraged whilst on the sidelines. Any and all options appreciated! Mark ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 22, 2011
Subject: Re: What are ya using to log your build?
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Indeed I plan to.... I have surfed Chris's site over the last 2 years as a proxy to scratch the itch of actually building something. I just wasn't sure if that would satisfy the FAA requirement.... I need to do more research on that... On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Billy McCaskill wrote: > > You can always send the pictures to Chris Tracy and have them put up on > www.westcoastpiet.com like many of the other guys on the list have done. > > -------- > Billy McCaskill > Urbana, IL > tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340570#340570 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 22, 2011
Subject: Re: What are ya using to log your build?
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
That's the one I couldn't remember.... I was thinking of using them as well , but couldn't remember the name... Thanks! Anyone else gots ideas? On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Gboothe5 wrote: > Been using www.mykitplane.com. No complaints=85. > > > Gary > > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Mark Roberts > *Sent:* Saturday, May 21, 2011 9:37 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: What are ya using to log your build? > > > Funny how I have had a year and a half to ask questions, but one the actu al > rubber meets the road and the wood chips start flyin', I get questions. > > > What are you using to document your build? I know there are websites, but I > forget which they are, and if they are better than starting your own. I h ave > seen www.mywoodenairplane.com and the guy building that plane is a > programmer and wrote the code for himself, so, not for sale....but I like > his site. > > > I want to document the build on line to share ideas and the build, and > hopefully encourage others as I was encouraged whilst on the sidelines. > > > Any and all options appreciated! > > > Mark > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Nuthin ever works out like I plan...
Date: May 22, 2011
Since Rapture didn't come, I have to do spring cleaning! Note the rolling wing stand.you can order those on my web site, www.rollingwingstands.com, or, if you want to build your own, you can get the plans at: www.helpbuildingrollingwingstands.com. ;-) Hope everyone's having as good a day as I, Gary ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: What are ya using to log your build?
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Date: May 22, 2011
mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote: > What are you using to document your build? I know there are websites, but I forget which they are, and if they are better than starting your own. > > I want to document the build on line to share ideas and the build, and hopefully encourage others as I was encouraged whilst on the sidelines. > Hi Mark, You should check out Kitlog Pro: It allows you to fully document your Experimental build including narratives, hours, pictures, vendors, receipts, everything. All of your data is stored in a local database file on your PC for safe keeping. Additionally, Kitlog provides a lifetime free service that allows you to upload your project progress to a personal website. You can upload each time you locally add a log entry or once a month. What ever you like. You can browse the many projects currently on Kitlog here: I documented the complete build of my Van's RV-8 using Kitlog and can't imagine doing it any other way. Here is a link to my RV-8 website provided courtesy of Kitlog's service: The FAA inspector loved my documentation for my inspection. Family and friends liked being able to keep up to date on my progress, too. Its the best $49 you'll spend on your project. Matt Dralle RV-8 N998RV -------- Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340598#340598 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/matts_rv_8_kitlog_pro_web_site_447.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 22, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: What are ya using to log your build? (with URLs this
time!) mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote: > > What are you using to document your build? I know there are websites, > but I forget which they are, and if they are better than starting your own. > > I want to document the build on line to share ideas and the build, > and hopefully encourage others as I was encouraged whilst on the sidelines. > Hi Mark, You should check out Kitlog Pro: http://www.kitlog.com It allows you to fully document your Experimental build including narratives, hours, pictures, vendors, receipts, everything. All of your data is stored in a local database file on your PC for safe keeping. Additionally, Kitlog provides a lifetime free service that allows you to upload your project progress to a personal web site. You can upload each time you locally add a log entry or once a month. What ever you like. You can browse the many projects currently on Kitlog here: http://www.mykitlog.com I documented the complete build of my Van's RV-8 using Kitlog and can't imagine doing it any other way. Here is a link to my RV-8 web site provided courtesy of Kitlog's service: http://www.mykitlog.com/MattsRV8 The FAA inspector loved my documentation for my inspection. Family and friends liked being able to keep up to date on my progress, too. Its the best $49 you'll spend on your project. Matt Dralle RV-8 N998RV ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Nuthin ever works out like I plan...
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 22, 2011
Gary, I could not get either link to open up. Are the websites active? I would like to look at them. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340602#340602 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Woodflier(at)aol.com
Date: May 22, 2011
Subject: First Flights
NX629ML flew today. 2 flights so far - one 20 minutes and one 30 minutes. Got to 5000 ft on the second flight. Good climber, cruises about 75, no squalks. Video at _http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v 54343642030&saved#!/video/video.php?v 54460884961_ (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v 54343642030&saved#!/video/video.php?v 54460884961) Matt Paxton ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: First Flights
Date: May 22, 2011
Attaboy, Matt! Looks like I need to start prepping Karen for me flying the Pietenpol to Brodhead again. I just got it back from the Lynchburg Airshow, and other than an idiot walking into the trailing edge of the wing and putting a big dent in it, it went fine. If you cruise at 75, you might not want to fly with me to Brodhead. Mine gets about 68 or so. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Woodflier(at)aol.com Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 4:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flights NX629ML flew today. 2 flights so far - one 20 minutes and one 30 minutes. Got to 5000 ft on the second flight. Good climber, cruises about 75, no squalks. Video at http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v 54343642030 <http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v 54343642030&saved#!/video/video .php?v 54460884961> &saved#!/video/video.php?v 54460884961 Matt Paxton ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Nuthin ever works out like I plan...
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 22, 2011
Yes, please. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340628#340628 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: What are ya using to log your build?
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 22, 2011
I'm agreeing with Matt... Kitlog Pro is great... not to mention that he is the guy that keeps this site alive. It is super easy to update or add photos and it prints out nicely. There are also forms for keeping track of expenses, vendors, helpers, etc. You can view my log at the link in my signature. I've looked at several other programs and I like this one the best. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340633#340633 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Question for West Coast Pieters--Dan Cork, Caliente
CA
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 22, 2011
Got to hand prop my first airplane yesterday. I'm only putting this here because it happened to be N541K at our Learn to Fly event yesterday. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340636#340636 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/n541k_938.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 22, 2011
Subject: Re: Nuthin ever works out like I plan...
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Just ordered a set of those plans at your website... I want the vertical stand option for the added $15.... ;o) Nice work Gary. Looking forward to the Poplar Piet's maiden! On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Gboothe5 wrote: > Since Rapture didn=92t come, I have to do spring cleaning! > > > Note the rolling wing stand=85you can order those on my web site, > www.rollingwingstands.com, or, if you want to build your own, you can get > the plans at: www.helpbuildingrollingwingstands.com. ;-) > > > Hope everyone=92s having as good a day as I, > > Gary > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 22, 2011
Subject: Re: What are ya using to log your build?
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Thanks Matt: That's exactly the feedback I was looking for. I would prefer to do all you mentioned: Receipts, pics, time, etc. in one place. I will definatly go find it and have a look. I switched to Mac 2 years ago, and can run PC too, but would really prefer a Mac solution, but THAT's asking way too much I know! Thanks again for the feedback. I missed the links in your post (didn't appear) but Google will find the site I'm sure... ;o) Mark On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Matt Dralle wrote: > > > mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote: > > What are you using to document your build? I know there are websites, but > I forget which they are, and if they are better than starting your own. > > > > I want to document the build on line to share ideas and the build, and > hopefully encourage others as I was encouraged whilst on the sidelines. > > > > > Hi Mark, > > You should check out Kitlog Pro: > > It allows you to fully document your Experimental build including > narratives, hours, pictures, vendors, receipts, everything. All of your > data is stored in a local database file on your PC for safe keeping. > > Additionally, Kitlog provides a lifetime free service that allows you to > upload your project progress to a personal website. You can upload each > time you locally add a log entry or once a month. What ever you like. You > can browse the many projects currently on Kitlog here: > > I documented the complete build of my Van's RV-8 using Kitlog and can't > imagine doing it any other way. Here is a link to my RV-8 website provided > courtesy of Kitlog's service: > > The FAA inspector loved my documentation for my inspection. Family and > friends liked being able to keep up to date on my progress, too. > > Its the best $49 you'll spend on your project. > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 N998RV > > -------- > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email List Administrator > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340598#340598 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/matts_rv_8_kitlog_pro_web_site_447.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Flights
From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net>
Date: May 22, 2011
Perhaps Matt's airspeed indicator isn't properly calibrated yet? Or if his ASI is indicating correctly, he could throttle back a bit and get a little bit better gph on the trip... -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340648#340648 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 22, 2011
Subject: Re: What are ya using to log your build?
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Thanks Mark! On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 6:34 PM, K5YAC wrote: > > I'm agreeing with Matt... Kitlog Pro is great... not to mention that he is > the guy that keeps this site alive. It is super easy to update or add > photos and it prints out nicely. There are also forms for keeping track of > expenses, vendors, helpers, etc. > > You can view my log at the link in my signature. I've looked at several > other programs and I like this one the best. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340633#340633 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 22, 2011
Subject: Re: What are ya using to log your build?
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
THIS is the program I had seen and couldn't remember what or where it was. I found it on Google after your post, and the link was colored purple, showing I had been there before. THis is what I was looking for, and I am downloading it now. Thanks Matt (and Mark C). I will be registering it soon. Mark On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Thanks Matt: > > That's exactly the feedback I was looking for. I would prefer to do all you > mentioned: Receipts, pics, time, etc. in one place. I will definatly go find > it and have a look. I switched to Mac 2 years ago, and can run PC too, but > would really prefer a Mac solution, but THAT's asking way too much I know! > > Thanks again for the feedback. I missed the links in your post (didn't > appear) but Google will find the site I'm sure... ;o) > > Mark > > > On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Matt Dralle wrote: > >> > >> >> >> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote: >> > What are you using to document your build? I know there are websites, >> but I forget which they are, and if they are better than starting your own. >> > >> > I want to document the build on line to share ideas and the build, and >> hopefully encourage others as I was encouraged whilst on the sidelines. >> > >> >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> You should check out Kitlog Pro: >> >> It allows you to fully document your Experimental build including >> narratives, hours, pictures, vendors, receipts, everything. All of your >> data is stored in a local database file on your PC for safe keeping. >> >> Additionally, Kitlog provides a lifetime free service that allows you to >> upload your project progress to a personal website. You can upload each >> time you locally add a log entry or once a month. What ever you like. You >> can browse the many projects currently on Kitlog here: >> >> I documented the complete build of my Van's RV-8 using Kitlog and can't >> imagine doing it any other way. Here is a link to my RV-8 website provided >> courtesy of Kitlog's service: >> >> The FAA inspector loved my documentation for my inspection. Family and >> friends liked being able to keep up to date on my progress, too. >> >> Its the best $49 you'll spend on your project. >> >> Matt Dralle >> RV-8 N998RV >> >> -------- >> Matt Dralle >> Matronics Email List Administrator >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340598#340598 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/matts_rv_8_kitlog_pro_web_site_447.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: What are ya using to log your build?
Date: May 22, 2011
Ipod? Droid? Try a Russian Space Pen and this; http://www.43folders.com/2004/09/03/introducing-the-hipster-pda Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Roberts Anyway, when your pencil and paper crashes, I guess you re-sharpen it... Mark ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Flights
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Date: May 23, 2011
Matt I watched your video and man does it ever climb good. Looks to be a lot more than 65 HP. Congratulations -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340663#340663 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: What are ya using to log your build?
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: May 23, 2011
Just a simple website I threw together myself. Very easy to update and costs about $20 a year to have. www.scottyspietenpol.com Use dreamweaver MX. Im no website whizz but stumble through it. Scotty -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 22 Ribs built... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340664#340664 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: dust cover on engine
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: May 23, 2011
Douwe, I was thinking that if you are really concerned, maybe one of the guys would be willing to store it for you on the front of their Piet and perhaps break it in for you. It wouldn't get all dirty that way. Whadda think???? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340670#340670 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Gathering
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: May 23, 2011
Mike, I hope to go also, BUT. I will be in Washington the first week in June. Should I get back early enough and the weather is not a problem I will attend. Same as last year, I will bring a tent and sleep under the wing. We'll see how it goes, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340672#340672 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2011
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Continental C85-12 case
A friend of mine out at 4TA0 flies a GN-1 that is powered by a C85. He needs a new case for that engine, specifically a C85-12. If anyone knows of one available, or perhaps a run-out C85 engine, please email me offline. Thanks, John F. Richmond, TX ________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Gathering
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: May 23, 2011
I would miss you too. That's why I will try and make it. I hosted the Corona gathering for 14 years so it's nice to have someone else do it while I enjoy all the benefits. Ask me for a ride this time. I'm sure I can make it happen. :-) -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340684#340684 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: dust cover on engine
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: May 23, 2011
Hi Douwe - When I go on my extended "vacations" I use the plastic shrink wrap stuff that movers use. You can get it at the u-haul store. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340687#340687 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: What are ya using to log your build?
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 23, 2011
My purpose for keeping a detailed log is more than just the proof of builder, but my 6 year old (4 years old when we started - maybe 10 or more before we finish), will have a detailed illustration of how we built our airplane. He is old enough now to understand a little about how this is going together, and has seen all of the assemblies take shape from sticks, but may not understand why we did certain things. Anyhow, I hope this will be his airplane one day (wishful thinking), and he may like to refer to the log. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340700#340700 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Hales Landing picnic/flyin
Date: May 23, 2011
All, Hales Landing spring picnic is coming up in about 2 weeks, all Piet builders/flyers are welcome, see attached flyer. We are in the NW corner of WV, 12 miles south of PKB airport. We have 3 flyable Piets on the field (2 actually flying), and 3 more Piet projects. Please contact me or Ed if coming so we can look out for you. Skip P. S. You can buy Yeungling in WV, I have some in the hangar frig, and will gladly pop one or more for any Piet lister who shows. P.S.S Kip, I would seriously consider moving to a more Yeungling friendly state. ;o) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Great Waldo Pepper Ringtone...
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 23, 2011
I recorded this from the movie and it works on my phone as my new ringtone. I can't get Windows Media Player to play it, however, but if any of you can get this to work on your phone - then enjoy....! For those of you with desk phones, you will have to hum the TGWP song as you listen to your traditional phone ring (ha!) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340727#340727 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Great Waldo Pepper Ringtone...
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 23, 2011
second try for attachment... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340728#340728 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Great Waldo Pepper Ringtone...
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 23, 2011
Well, it's not letting me attach the (.amr) file, so if anyone wants to try it, e-mail me directly at: flight.jake(at)gmail.com and I'll send it to you directly....... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340729#340729 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2011
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Hales Landing picnic/flyin
Skipp, I might be able to make it on saturday, but I don't get off untill m idnight on friday night, so if I can get my butt out of bed on time and the weather holds out I should be able to make it.- How long of a flight was it for you and Ed last year?- I will have to fly home that afternoon, so I might have to fly me home a case of Yeungling to enjoy here smack dab in central ohio.- Still haven't got the annual started yet but it should go quickly. - Shad p.s. I will try to save you and Ed one for when you fly up on the 18th, but no promises it goes fast here where it is contraban. --- On Mon, 5/23/11, skipgadd(at)earthlink.net wrote: From: skipgadd(at)earthlink.net <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hales Landing picnic/flyin Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 2:27 PM All, Hales Landing spring picnic is coming up in about 2 weeks, all Piet builder s/flyers are welcome, see attached flyer. We are in the NW corner of WV, 12 miles south of PKB airport. We have 3 flyable Piets on the field (2 actually flying), and 3 more Piet p rojects. Please contact me or Ed if coming so we can look out for you. Skip - P. S. You can buy Yeungling in WV, I have some in the hangar frig, and will gladly pop one or more for any Piet lister who shows. P.S.S Kip, I would seriously consider moving to a more Yeungling friendly s tate. ;o) - ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2011
Subject: Ringtone/startup/happy music
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Courtesy of Jack: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/Those%20Magnificent%20Men%20in%20their%20Flying%20Machines%20-%20Original.mp3 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/The%20Great%20Waldo%20Pepper%20March.mp3 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Hales Landing picnic/flyin
Date: May 23, 2011
Shad, That would be great. I loged 1.8 on the trip back last year. Our Piets cruz less than 65 mph, so you should be able to make it in about 1.4 no wind time. Duats says its about 94 nm. We have hi-test auto gas on the field but no 100 lotsa lead, that can be had at PKB. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell Sent: 5/23/2011 6:23:08 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hales Landing picnic/flyin Skipp, I might be able to make it on saturday, but I don't get off untill midnight on friday night, so if I can get my butt out of bed on time and the weather holds out I should be able to make it. How long of a flight was it for you and Ed last year? I will have to fly home that afternoon, so I might have to fly me home a case of Yeungling to enjoy here smack dab in central ohio. Still haven't got the annual started yet but it should go quickly. Shad p.s. I will try to save you and Ed one for when you fly up on the 18th, but no promises it goes fast here where it is contraban. --- On Mon, 5/23/11, skipgadd(at)earthlink.net wrote: From: skipgadd(at)earthlink.net <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hales Landing picnic/flyin Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 2:27 PM All, Hales Landing spring picnic is coming up in about 2 weeks, all Piet builders/flyers are welcome, see attached flyer. We are in the NW corner of WV, 12 miles south of PKB airport. We have 3 flyable Piets on the field (2 actually flying), and 3 more Piet projects. Please contact me or Ed if coming so we can look out for you. Skip P. S. You can buy Yeungling in WV, I have some in the hangar frig, and will gladly pop one or more for any Piet lister who shows. P.S.S Kip, I would seriously consider moving to a more Yeungling friendly state. ;o) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2011
Subject: 1" or 7/8"
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Hi All: Can anyone verify a memory I have. I seem to remember that in later builds, Bernard used 7/8" stringers on the main 4 fuse stringers... Is that correct, or is my memory failing me already? Thanks for the feedback. Mark ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Side-drive magneto mount
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: May 23, 2011
Here is a Bosch side-drive mag mount on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RARE-sidedrive-magneto-mount-Model-B-Ford-32 -Flathead-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1e63bdd126QQitemZ130522403110QQptZVin tageQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 1" or 7/8"
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: May 24, 2011
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Date: May 23, 2011
Subject: Re: 1" or 7/8"
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
I know what the plans say, and I am not trying to re-invent the plane! :o) I bought some vertical grain sitka for 8.99 per board foot, and it is in th e rough. It measures just at 1" rough in most spots, and ove 1" in others, so I am in the shop planing sruce right now. I stopped to see if anyone had answered my post, as I was thinking of taking the spruce down to 7/8 on the stringers to insure no 'rough' was left showing. I can sand away the little rough spots, but i thought I might make the sides 7/8" thick. $242.64 for 27 board foot of Sitka in the rough. I oughta be able to at least get the fuse and tail outta that. Kinda fun to be able to build it from raw wood, although I didn't cut the tree down! :o) I think if I were you guys, I'd be the one answering the question like Ryan , but I might not have been as nice.... "Geez dude? Why re-invent the wheel? The plans call out 1", make them 1"!" I will be close, but thought if 7/8" would be what Ol' Bernie made later fuses out of, I'd still be pure enough. I will be using the Corvair, and I plan to make the whole plane out of the sitka I can grab locally. Posts of little wood chips later! :o) Thanks guys! Very excited to finally start. (Job? What job.... I'm livin' in the shop now!) Mark On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:22 PM, wrote: > Mark, > > AC 43.13 allows for a downsize in dimension when switching from spruce to a > stronger wood such as Doug Fir. You are the manufacturer, Mark Roberts > Pietenpols, and you can do whatever you want; however, I think you will b e > shopping for a larger than normal engine...and I think you are using Popl ar, > a wood that is more flexible, but not stronger. My suggestion would be to > stick with 1", for a couple reasons: you may need the strength for larger > engines; it's an easy number to deal with. Remember what they say about > lying...once you tell a lie, you must always remember who you lied to. Sa me > goes for changing dimensions. > > Gary > (Did I ever lie to you?) > > Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE > ------------------------------ > *From: * Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> > *Sender: * owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > *Date: *Mon, 23 May 2011 18:07:42 -0700 > *To: *pietenpol-list > *ReplyTo: * pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject: *Pietenpol-List: 1" or 7/8" > > Hi All: > > Can anyone verify a memory I have. I seem to rem= ember that in later > builds, Bernard used 7/8" stringers on the main 4 = fuse stringers... > > Is that correct, or is my memory= failing me already? > > Thanks for-the-feedback. > > M= ark > > * > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2011
Subject: Re: What are ya using to log your build?
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Ha! Love it On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Clif Dawson wrote: > Ipod? Droid? Try a Russian Space Pen and this; > > http://www.43folders.com/2004/09/03/introducing-the-hipster-pda > > Clif > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Mark Roberts > Anyway, when your pencil and paper crashes, I guess you re-sharpen it... > Mark > >> * * >> >> * * >> >> * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 1" or 7/8"
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: May 24, 2011
Hi Mark, When I was at Brodhead a few years ago, the "Last Original" was sitting in front of it's hangar. I purposely measured the fuselage stringers, because when I was carefully inspecting the plane, it jumped-out at me when I looke d at that part, that it looked like it was less than 1". I distinctly remem ber that the stringer was 7/8" across the top, but I can't conclusively rem ember the other vertical dimension. I am glad I got to see that airplane, because I have not seen it since. It might be there but the owner doesn't bring it out. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Restart
Date: May 24, 2011
Just restarted on my wings. How zat? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Restart
Date: May 24, 2011
OOPS! Forgot the attachment. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Restart
Date: May 24, 2011
Attaboy, Chuck! Once again, I commend you for your attitude. I'll bet you'll find that this set will go together about twice as fast as the original, and your satisfaction will be ten times greater than if you wondered about those spars eveery time you hit a little turbulence. I was talking with Gene Rambo yesterday about the fact that even when being very careful with making patterns, you still often throw out the first part you make. He was talking about making aluminum engine cowlings. I told him that I had to make my lower cowling twice, even though the cardboard pattern fit perfectly. If you are not willing to reject parts for quality reasons, you have no business building an airplane. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 8:22 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Restart Just restarted on my wings. How zat? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Greetings, Fellow Texican Pietenpolers!
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: May 24, 2011
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Subject: Re: 1" or 7/8"
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: May 24, 2011
Hi Mark - Since my expertise is limited I offer only one criteria when it comes to design and construction questions: would I be comfortable test-flying your airplane considering the change? If 7/8" stringers are your only deviation from the plans I wouldn't hesitate. (Of course, if you let me test fly your airplane that may call your judgment into question, but that's not the point:).) -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340778#340778 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2011
From: Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 1" or 7/8"
On 05/24/2011 07:48 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > > Hi Mark, > When I was at Brodhead a few years ago, the "Last Original" was sitting > in front of it's hangar. I purposely measured the fuselage stringers, > because when I was carefully inspecting the plane, it jumped-out at me > when I looked at that part, that it looked like it was less than 1". I > distinctly remember that the stringer was 7/8" across the top, but I > can't conclusively remember the other vertical dimension. I have heard, but can't confirm, that Mr. Pietenpol measured 1" but then ran the saw down the middle of the line, rather than just to the outside. Subtract two half-kerfs from 1", and you might well end up with 7/8. Of course, the plans show what he measured, not what he cut. FWIW. Owen ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2011
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Greetings, Fellow Texican Pietenpolers!
HI Gary, It sounds good but I thought you were going to Montana to your fathers place when you retired. You will probably like flying the Piet in Texas better than Montana though. Congratulations. Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: how many feets of fabric to cover a Piet?
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 24, 2011
Hello, Not yet, but soon I am going to work in the cover of some parts of my airplane like the empanage, etc... Can somebody tell me how many feets/mts of fabric are necesay to cover a Piet? thank you, best regards Mario Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340790#340790 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: how many feets of fabric to cover a Piet?
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 24, 2011
of course!!! you do not know what mts/kg are... I thought at least 2 neurons are enough; but just one... a veces me olvido que los poliglotas tenemos qu ser el resto. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340794#340794 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: bphillip(at)shentel.net
Subject: Re: 1" or 7/8"
Date: May 24, 2011
Owen: In 1986 when I was a young and impressionable youth of 13 and embarking on the "Pietenpol Path", I believe it was Francis Saunders who told me the very same thing. At the time I thought he was just pulling my leg because I was young, but scales don't lie, and Mr. Pietenpol's airplanes are always the lightest in the crowd. Brett Phillips > > I have heard, but can't confirm, that Mr. Pietenpol measured 1" but then > ran the saw down the middle of the line, rather than just to the > outside. Subtract two half-kerfs from 1", and you might well end up with > 7/8. Of course, the plans show what he measured, not what he cut. > > FWIW. > > Owen --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Shentel WebMail. http://WebMail.Shentel.Net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2011
From: Larry Metzel <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Greetings, Fellow Texican Pietenpolers!
Nice!.. I'm envious. I've been trying to find a hangar for my GN-1(A65). Can't seem to find anything east of Dallas. I'm on waiting lists at best. Sure hope I don't miss a Summer of flying. Just need to put the wings on and get her annual-ed/signed off. I'm hoping to keep the drive inside an hr of Garland (east suburb, dallas)..Any ideas? (attachment pic) p.s. I'd like get out and say hi to some fine piet/Gn-1 folk as well, been a little out of the small aeroplane loop.. (family stuff, etc) Larry 214-686-6861 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Great Waldo Pepper Ringtone...
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 24, 2011
ryan, what's your e-mail address...? -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340801#340801 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2011
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Fitting Wings Soon...advise?
I am putting the finishing touches on the straight axle fairing and will ha ve the gear re-installed very soon. I Also have the garage ready for the pl ane to be moved into for fitting of the center section, wings and fabricati on of the wing struts and inserts. (aluminum)- I want to get the wing, st ruts and inserts made and attached so I can make the aileron cables as well . Any advice as to rigging, blocking, supporting, (I will be buying 2X4s to support the wings) etc. would be appreciated.- I will also be making/ins talling my wing drag cables...do these get tightened "on the bench" or afte r the wings are mounted on the fuselage and trued? This phase of the build/assembly is all new to me so any help would be grea tly appreciated. Thanks. Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: May 24, 2011
Subject: Re: Fitting Wings Soon...advise?
Now in the process of moving to MY HANGAR to get ready for the trial fits and fittings I too would be curious as to learning who might be interested in holding the wing panels in place while I monkey around with fittings and bolds and things like that. Additionally any advice or suggestions on rigging the wing to hold it while I monkey with the mountings as a nice alterative to holding it. Thanks John In a message dated 5/24/2011 2:29:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net writes: I am putting the finishing touches on the straight axle fairing and will have the gear re-installed very soon. I Also have the garage ready for the plane to be moved into for fitting of the center section, wings and fabrication of the wing struts and inserts. (aluminum) I want to get the wing, struts and inserts made and attached so I can make the aileron cables as well. Any advice as to rigging, blocking, supporting, (I will be buying 2X4s to support the wings) etc. would be appreciated. I will also be making/installing my wing drag cables...do these get tightened "on the bench" or after the wings are mounted on the fuselage and trued? This phase of the build/assembly is all new to me so any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Fitting Wings Soon...advise?
Date: May 24, 2011
Michael, I made some fairly elaborate supports for my wings that allowed me to make infinite adjustments of dihedral and washout (neither of which are really necessary) and to rig the wings straight and true (which is absolutely essential) by turning nuts on threaded rods and locking them with jam nuts, as shown in the photo below: Gene Rambo and I did the same thing on his Pietenpol, but just clamped a 2x4 to the uprights with C-clamps to accomplish the same thing with much less trouble. It's just not as easy to make precise adjustments. Once you have the wing more or less in place, it is useful to have a surveyor's transit to accurately measure the height of the spars at the tips, compared to the longerons which you have painstakingly leveled (remember, building an airplane is just a series of alignment exercises). Using this process, I was able to get my wingtips within 1/16" of each other, and the plane flies straight and true. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 2:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fitting Wings Soon...advise? I am putting the finishing touches on the straight axle fairing and will have the gear re-installed very soon. I Also have the garage ready for the plane to be moved into for fitting of the center section, wings and fabrication of the wing struts and inserts. (aluminum) I want to get the wing, struts and inserts made and attached so I can make the aileron cables as well. Any advice as to rigging, blocking, supporting, (I will be buying 2X4s to support the wings) etc. would be appreciated. I will also be making/installing my wing drag cables...do these get tightened "on the bench" or after the wings are mounted on the fuselage and trued? This phase of the build/assembly is all new to me so any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Michael Perez ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: May 24, 2011
Subject: Fitting Wings Soon...advise?
Mike- I trammeled my wings before I put them on the airplane. Since you've already got your leading edge on it might resist you squaring the wing up with your drag and anti-drag braces but I'd square them up before you put them on the airplane. Just measure the X-distance between rib bays as you tighten your drag and a nti-drag cables to make sure those diagonal distances are the same so you know your wing is sq uare before you safety wire the turnbuckles and mount the wing to the plane. I can come over and we can work out the wing tip washout and I can verify m easurements with you from bolt-holes to bolt holes. I set mine up in the level flight position with the top of the longeron lev el. A digital angle finder is helpful in setting up flat or dihedral if desired. You may want some weight in the tail so the plane doesn't want to tip forwa rd on you while working on it. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fitting Wings Soon...advise?
From: Hans Van Der Voort <hvandervoo(at)aol.com>
Date: May 24, 2011
I made a wing support from 1 1/2 pipe to find out that a simple 6 foot step ladder is much easier to use. Use some seat cushions/pillows to adjust height. see attached Hans -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 1:29 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fitting Wings Soon...advise? I am putting the finishing touches on the straight axle fairing and will ha ve the gear re-installed very soon. I Also have the garage ready for the pl ane to be moved into for fitting of the center section, wings and fabricati on of the wing struts and inserts. (aluminum) I want to get the wing, stru ts and inserts made and attached so I can make the aileron cables as well. Any advice as to rigging, blocking, supporting, (I will be buying 2X4s to s upport the wings) etc. would be appreciated. I will also be making/install ing my wing drag cables...do these get tightened "on the bench" or after th e wings are mounted on the fuselage and trued? This phase of the build/assembly is all new to me so any help would be grea tly appreciated. Thanks. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fitting Wings Soon...advise?
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 24, 2011
In the olden days I took two sets of conduit that would slide into one an other, I think , 1/2" and 3/4", and with a hacksaw cut one end to fit the wing fitting and the other end of the larger conduit, I sawed a couple slots and with a hose clamp that held the wing in the exact position with infinite adjustments, the lower end of this telescoping pair of conduits cut and drilled to fit the lower mounting. With 4 of these temporary struts I adjusted the wing to it's proper location , tightened the hose-clamps. Cut and assembled the 4 spars to the final dimensions of the conduit's length and wash-out and dihedral when required. Two Piets are still flying with this type of Bernie engineering. And to this day these conduits help hold up many flowering bushes when wrapped gently using strips of old Dacron, Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340844#340844 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fitting Wings Soon...advise?
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 24, 2011
Mike. I also did the cross strut wires after the 4 struts were assembled and welded and drilled and installed and with about 2" of dihedral, with the clearance holes drilled in the ends of the struts you may loose a little dihedral. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340849#340849 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Fitting Wings Soon...advise?
Date: May 24, 2011
I inherited just such a set up from Mike and Vic Groah!...still got another wing to build before I test them, but it worked on their Piet! Gary Still in Cool -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pieti Lowell Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 5:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fitting Wings Soon...advise? In the olden days I took two sets of conduit that would slide into one an other, I think , 1/2" and 3/4", and with a hacksaw cut one end to fit the wing fitting and the other end of the larger conduit, I sawed a couple slots and with a hose clamp that held the wing in the exact position with infinite adjustments, the lower end of this telescoping pair of conduits cut and drilled to fit the lower mounting. With 4 of these temporary struts I adjusted the wing to it's proper location , tightened the hose-clamps. Cut and assembled the 4 spars to the final dimensions of the conduit's length and wash-out and dihedral when required. Two Piets are still flying with this type of Bernie engineering. And to this day these conduits help hold up many flowering bushes when wrapped gently using strips of old Dacron, Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340844#340844 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Edson" <robertse(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: first time on list
Date: May 24, 2011
My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August 2010 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in. spoked wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished the cowl and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to have it finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet. Having a great time--got started a little later than most people , I'm 76 years old. Bob Edson ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: first time on list
Date: May 24, 2011
Bob, You're my Hero-for-the-Day! Send some pictures!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Edson Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 6:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August 2010 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in. spoked wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished the cowl and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to have it finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet. Having a great time--got started a little later than most people , I'm 76 years old. Bob Edson ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: first time on list
Date: May 24, 2011
Welcome to the wonderful world of Pieters, Bob. Sounds like you'll have a nice airplane (I'm partial to wire spoked wheels and Continental engines). Come to Brodhead this summer if you can. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Edson Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 9:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August 2010 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in. spoked wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished the cowl and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to have it finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet. Having a great time--got started a little later than most people , I'm 76 years old. Bob Edson ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: first time on list
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 24, 2011
Welcome to the list Bob. Sounds like you have made some great progress! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340886#340886 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia!
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: May 25, 2011
Hi all....while trying to find someone to help me lace and true my nice new Buchanan spoked rims, I went in to the local motorcycle shop. I asked one of the guys behind the counter if they lace rims to which they replied we certainly do! We will get the boss for you as he likes "these old weird planes" (Their words). Boss comes out and I show him a picture of what im building and he instantly says "Thats a Pietenpol"! Of course I replied it was. We then went on to chat for 30 mins about how he has a Pietenpol Scout built in 1933 and is fitted with a 50hp 9 cylinder radial. Apparently the engine was freshened up in 1959 and then from 1961 till the 1990's when he obtained it, it hung from the ceiling of a local museum come bric brac store. He acquired it with the plan to do a complete restoration one day. He said time has not allowed him to start this yet but each week he goes out and uncovers it and turns the prop over by hand to keep the engine turning. He is a motorcycle mechanic so I hope he has lubed the inside of it. Anyway I thought I would share my find and he has invited me over to have a look so will ask if I may take some pics and post them on here. Scotty -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 22 Ribs built... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340897#340897 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2011
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Dihedral vs. crosswind
Pieter's, >From my understanding of aerodynamics, dihedral adds some stability to the roll control of an airplane. My question is, does the dihedral help or hinder a Piet during crosswind landings? I'm building a 3-piece wing and was planning on maybe one degree of dihedral but wanted to get opinions on the crosswind effect. Thanks, John F. Richmond soon to be 4TA0 Prairie Aire, TX GN-1/Corvair ________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ping pong balls?
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 25, 2011
Dan, That was indeed a beautiful airplane. I looked at it and wondered how those airfoils on the wing struts would do on a Pietenpol. Just thinkin'... -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340902#340902 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Welcome Bob!!
Date: May 25, 2011
Welcome Bob!! My hat's off to you and can't wait to follow your progress!!! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Dihedral vs. crosswind
Date: May 25, 2011
Neither. I've got a slight amount of dihedral in mine and can't tell it has any effect at all. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Franklin Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:55 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral vs. crosswind Pieter's, >From my understanding of aerodynamics, dihedral adds some stability to the roll control of an airplane. My question is, does the dihedral help or hinder a Piet during crosswind landings? I'm building a 3-piece wing and was planning on maybe one degree of dihedral but wanted to get opinions on the crosswind effect. Thanks, John F. Richmond soon to be 4TA0 Prairie Aire, TX GN-1/Corvair ________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 25, 2011
I am just wondering, why one degree? Why not two or three? I guess my point is be careful making aerodynamic changes using the TLAR method (That Looks About Right). I am no aerodynamicist, so your idea may be great one. But be careful. One thought - Mark Roberts contacted Harry Riblett and as I understand it, Harry was very gracious in answering questions. Maybe you could speak with Harry and get his thoughts on the use of dihedral in the wing. Let us know what you find out- your idea might be a really good one that we all should think about. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340906#340906 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2011
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: first time on list
Bob- Branson isn't too far from Little Rock so if you ever find yourself in the central Arkansas area, stop by. I haven't found many Pietenpolers in the area so a little like-minded socialising would be nice. If you fly in I'm at 1AR9. We have two grass runways and a guest apartment in the hangar. C'mon down! Larry W. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 25, 2011
Jack's answer came in while I was posting, so I was not able to read it first. So I guess maybe the question is a two-parter- 1. Would dihedral help the Pietenpol wing? 2. If so, how much dihedral is needed before any effect is noted? It still would not hurt to contact Harry Riblett, or some other expert, if for nother reason than, he might help you avoid unnecessary work if the dihedral has little benefit. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340911#340911 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2011
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: first time on list
You are a real inspiration Bob. I am 78 going on 79 come nov. and I am starting to rebuild after that tornado in Lakeland. Got lots to do. Keep at it. Seems like you are building faster than I did at 5 years and it took only 15 seconds to tear it up. Cheers, Gardiner Mason ________________________________ From: Robert S. Edson <robertse(at)centurytel.net> Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:10:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August 2010 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in. spoked wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished the cowl and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to have it finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet. Having a great time--got started a little later than most people , I'm 76 years old. Bob Edson ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind
Date: May 25, 2011
Dihedral is not very important or useful for a Pietenpol. The reason is that parasol wing monoplanes exhibit what is called the "Pendulum Effect", because the vertical center of gravity is below the plane of the wing, causing the same righting moments as dihedral is supposed to accomplish. This is why you see much less dihedral used in high wing cabin monoplanes that in low wing aircraft. Parasol wing aircraft have an even stronger pendulum effect than high wing cabin jobs, since their CG is lower without the weight of all that cabin structure so high. Does that make sense? Most people that add dihedral to a Pietenpol do it to counter the supposed "droop" look that a straight wing has. I myself added 1/2" dihedral (0.16=B0) per side to mine to avoid this, before realizing that this effect is not apparent when looking at airplanes in the flesh, but shows up in photographs when short focal length (wide angle) lenses are used. Look at some one piece wing Pietenpols such as Dan Helsper's at Brodhead in 56 days and you will see what I mean. Dihedral is not needed for stability purposes for Pietenpols, and to get any more stability would require such a steep angle as to look funny. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82 Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind Jack's answer came in while I was posting, so I was not able to read it first. So I guess maybe the question is a two-parter- 1. Would dihedral help the Pietenpol wing? 2. If so, how much dihedral is needed before any effect is noted? It still would not hurt to contact Harry Riblett, or some other expert, if for nother reason than, he might help you avoid unnecessary work if the dihedral has little benefit. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340911#340911 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: first time on list
Date: May 25, 2011
Gardiner, You won't have to wait so long for your ribs. Ryan Mueller last night ordered enough spruce, plywood and T-88 to make a set of ribs and had it sent to my house. I've pulled my old rib jig off the shelf and as soon as the wood gets here I will start building your ribs. I hope to have them finished before Brodhead and can ship them to you (I don't think a stack of 5' long ribs will fit in your Cessna 140 - I used to have a 140 and its cabin is only 35" wide). You are too valuable to this list to allow you to not get your Piet back in the air. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list You are a real inspiration Bob. I am 78 going on 79 come nov. and I am starting to rebuild after that tornado in Lakeland. Got lots to do. Keep at it. Seems like you are building faster than I did at 5 years and it took only 15 seconds to tear it up. Cheers, Gardiner Mason _____ From: Robert S. Edson <robertse(at)centurytel.net> Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:10:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August 2010 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in. spoked wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished the cowl and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to have it finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet. Having a great time--got started a little later than most people , I'm 76 years old. Bob Edson ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2011
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Fitting Wings Soon...advise?
Thanks to you all. From what I have gathered so far, may plan is as follows : Level fuse. in all planes. (no pun intended) Install and square/plum CS to fuse. I figure, after consulting with Mr. Cuy, using a 2" aft rake on the c abanes. Hand tighten the drag cables on the wing and fit wing to fuse. Dial in wing, (straight, dihedral, wash out...not sure on these yet)- tighten drag cables, make/fit wing struts. That is the basic plan, lots to do prior to all the above. Waiting on the r ain to stop so I can move cars around and move fuselage into garage. Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2011
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: first time on list
Thanks Jack. I am saving the spars and wing tip on that one wing and all t he =0Afittings. I will be driving to Brodhead with my wife Susan AND CAMPIN G OUT. =0ACheers, Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0AFrom: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matron ics.com=0ASent: Wed, May 25, 2011 9:14:52 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list=0A=0A =0AGardiner,=0A =0AYou won=99t have to wait so long for your ribs. Ryan Mueller last night ordered =0Aenough spruce, plywood and T-88 to make a set of ribs and had it sent to my =0Ahouse. I =99ve pulled my old rib jig off the shelf and as soon as the wood get s =0Ahere I will start building your ribs. I hope to have them finished be fore =0ABrodhead and can ship them to you (I don=99t think a stack of 5=99 long ribs will =0Afit in your Cessna 140 =93 I used to ha ve a 140 and its cabin is only 35=9D wide).=0A =0AYou are too valuabl e to this list to allow you to not get your Piet back in the =0Aair.=0A =0A Jack Phillips=0ANX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D=0ASmith Mountain Lake, Virginia=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-p ietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion=0ASent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:30 AM =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first ti me on list=0A =0AYou are a real inspiration Bob. I am 78 going on 79 come n ov. and I am starting =0Ato rebuild after that tornado in Lakeland . Got l ots to do. Keep at it. Seems =0Alike you are building faster than I did at 5 years and it took only 15 seconds =0Ato tear it up. Cheers, Gardiner Maso n=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:Robert S. Edson =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, May 2 4, 2011 9:10:53 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list=0AMy name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August =0A201 0 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in. spoke d =0Awheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished t he cowl =0Aand I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to have it =0Afinished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Rible t. Having a great =0Atime--got started a little later than most people , I' ===== =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Ryan and Jack
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 25, 2011
I don't think this deserves to be buried in another unrelated thread. One of the many (but also one of the finest) examples of camaraderie I've seen on this list. You guys really are something else. Speaking of Gardiner's Piet... it made the papers again. This time in Sport Aviation. Something to do with tie downs, but I haven't read the article yet. pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote: > Gardiner, > > You wont have to wait so long for your ribs. Ryan Mueller last night ordered enough spruce, plywood and T-88 to make a set of ribs and had it sent to my house. Ive pulled my old rib jig off the shelf and as soon as the wood gets here I will start building your ribs. I hope to have them finished before Brodhead and can ship them to you (I dont think a stack of 5 long ribs will fit in your Cessna 140 I used to have a 140 and its cabin is only 35 wide). > > You are too valuable to this list to allow you to not get your Piet back in the air. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP Icarus Plummet > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340924#340924 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 25, 2011
Jack, Great explanation! Your discussion about parasol wing makes perfect sense. Thanks for the input. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340928#340928 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: first time on list
Date: May 25, 2011
Jack, I'd offer to help, but poor Gardiner wouldn't get his ribs for another 3 years! You & Ryan..I don't know what to say.just proud to know you! Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:15 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list Gardiner, You won't have to wait so long for your ribs. Ryan Mueller last night ordered enough spruce, plywood and T-88 to make a set of ribs and had it sent to my house. I've pulled my old rib jig off the shelf and as soon as the wood gets here I will start building your ribs. I hope to have them finished before Brodhead and can ship them to you (I don't think a stack of 5' long ribs will fit in your Cessna 140 - I used to have a 140 and its cabin is only 35" wide). You are too valuable to this list to allow you to not get your Piet back in the air. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list You are a real inspiration Bob. I am 78 going on 79 come nov. and I am starting to rebuild after that tornado in Lakeland. Got lots to do. Keep at it. Seems like you are building faster than I did at 5 years and it took only 15 seconds to tear it up. Cheers, Gardiner Mason _____ From: Robert S. Edson <robertse(at)centurytel.net> Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:10:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August 2010 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in. spoked wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished the cowl and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to have it finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet. Having a great time--got started a little later than most people , I'm 76 years old. Bob Edson ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: first time on list
Date: May 25, 2011
Gardiner, What kind of treatment to the trailing edge tips of the ribs do you want? Do you want them cut off square, or a step included to attach a wooden trailing edge? Or should I just bring them to a point and let you do as you wish with them when you get the ribs? I used preformed aluminum trailing edge material on mine and would definitely NOT do that again - it is too hard to keep it from creeping under fabric tension (look at the little puckers at each rib on my trailing edges - those puckers were not there when I first covered it), and it is too easily damaged when an idiot walks into it, as happened this past weekend at the Lynchburg Airshow. I just hope it hurt him as much as it hurt my airplane. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list Thanks Jack. I am saving the spars and wing tip on that one wing and all the fittings. I will be driving to Brodhead with my wife Susan AND CAMPING OUT. Cheers, Gardiner _____ From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 9:14:52 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list Gardiner, You won't have to wait so long for your ribs. Ryan Mueller last night ordered enough spruce, plywood and T-88 to make a set of ribs and had it sent to my house. I've pulled my old rib jig off the shelf and as soon as the wood gets here I will start building your ribs. I hope to have them finished before Brodhead and can ship them to you (I don't think a stack of 5' long ribs will fit in your Cessna 140 - I used to have a 140 and its cabin is only 35" wide). You are too valuable to this list to allow you to not get your Piet back in the air. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list You are a real inspiration Bob. I am 78 going on 79 come nov. and I am starting to rebuild after that tornado in Lakeland . Got lots to do. Keep at it. Seems like you are building faster than I did at 5 years and it took only 15 seconds to tear it up. Cheers, Gardiner Mason _____ From: Robert S. Edson <robertse(at)centurytel.net> Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:10:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August 2010 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in. spoked wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished the cowl and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to have it finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet. Having a great time--got started a little later than most people , I'm 76 years old. Bob Edson http://====================== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: first time on list
Date: May 25, 2011
We can just have a little Mutual Admiration Society party at Brodhead. Actually, Gary you started it when you sent me that piece of streamline tubing to use on my RV-10 (it fits perfectly, by the way). This is what this group is all about, helping each other. And this is what sets Pietenpol People apart from all the other groups on the 'net. Jack _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:11 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list Jack, I'd offer to help, but poor Gardiner wouldn't get his ribs for another 3 years! You & Ryan..I don't know what to say.just proud to know you! Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:15 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list Gardiner, You won't have to wait so long for your ribs. Ryan Mueller last night ordered enough spruce, plywood and T-88 to make a set of ribs and had it sent to my house. I've pulled my old rib jig off the shelf and as soon as the wood gets here I will start building your ribs. I hope to have them finished before Brodhead and can ship them to you (I don't think a stack of 5' long ribs will fit in your Cessna 140 - I used to have a 140 and its cabin is only 35" wide). You are too valuable to this list to allow you to not get your Piet back in the air. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list You are a real inspiration Bob. I am 78 going on 79 come nov. and I am starting to rebuild after that tornado in Lakeland. Got lots to do. Keep at it. Seems like you are building faster than I did at 5 years and it took only 15 seconds to tear it up. Cheers, Gardiner Mason _____ From: Robert S. Edson <robertse(at)centurytel.net> Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:10:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August 2010 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in. spoked wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished the cowl and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to have it finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet. Having a great time--got started a little later than most people , I'm 76 years old. Bob Edson http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: May 25, 2011
Subject: one man's leading and trailing edge ideas for Pietenpol
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Date: May 25, 2011
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: one man's leading and trailing edge ideas for Pietenpol
Another... Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ryan and Jack
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: May 25, 2011
What a team! Knowing both of these gentlemen quite well, I have to comment on how out of character this is for both of them. ... just kidding. :) I'm not really surprised at all. Nice move gents. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340950#340950 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind
Date: May 25, 2011
Jack said it all, but I thought I would share this interesting picture I took at Brodhead =9209. I believe it=92s the Piet Rob Bach was flying, and not sure he still has it.. Rob Bach - 3, Dihedral.jpg Now=85that=92s some dihedral!!! Gary Still in Cool From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:01 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind Dihedral is not very important or useful for a Pietenpol. The reason is that parasol wing monoplanes exhibit what is called the "Pendulum Effect", because the vertical center of gravity is below the plane of the wing, causing the same righting moments as dihedral is supposed to accomplish. This is why you see much less dihedral used in high wing cabin monoplanes that in low wing aircraft. Parasol wing aircraft have an even stronger pendulum effect than high wing cabin jobs, since their CG is lower without the weight of all that cabin structure so high. Does that make sense? Most people that add dihedral to a Pietenpol do it to counter the supposed "droop" look that a straight wing has. I myself added 1/2" dihedral (0.16=B0) per side to mine to avoid this, before realizing that this effect is not apparent when looking at airplanes in the flesh, but shows up in photographs when short focal length (wide angle) lenses are used. Look at some one piece wing Pietenpols such as Dan Helsper's at Brodhead in 56 days and you will see what I mean. Dihedral is not needed for stability purposes for Pietenpols, and to get any more stability would require such a steep angle as to look funny. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82 Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind Jack's answer came in while I was posting, so I was not able to read it first. So I guess maybe the question is a two-parter- 1. Would dihedral help the Pietenpol wing? 2. If so, how much dihedral is needed before any effect is noted? It still would not hurt to contact Harry Riblett, or some other expert, if for nother reason than, he might help you avoid unnecessary work if the dihedral has little benefit. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340911#340911 Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much much more: http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List Same great content also available via the Web Forums! http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2011
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: first time on list
Jack, I know what you mean about the trailing edge. My preformed aluminum o ne =0Adid the same thing. What do you suggest.? I will go either way. Thank s, Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jack Phi llips =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: W ed, May 25, 2011 10:19:51 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on l ist=0A=0A =0AGardiner,=0A =0AWhat kind of treatment to the trailing edge ti ps of the ribs do you want? Do =0Ayou want them cut off square, or a step included to attach a wooden trailing =0Aedge? Or should I just bring them to a point and let you do as you wish with =0Athem when you get the ribs? =0A =0AI used preformed aluminum trailing edge material on mine and would d efinitely =0ANOT do that again =93 it is too hard to keep it from cre eping under fabric tension =0A(look at the little puckers at each rib on my trailing edges =93 those puckers =0Awere not there when I first cove red it), and it is too easily damaged when an =0Aidiot walks into it, as ha ppened this past weekend at the Lynchburg Airshow. I =0Ajust hope it hurt him as much as it hurt my airplane.=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D=0ASmith Mountain Lake, Virginia=0A =0A=0A_______ _________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics. com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airl ion=0ASent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:29 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics. com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list=0A =0AThanks Jack. I am saving the spars and wing tip on that one wing and all the =0Afittings. I will be driving to Brodhead with my wife Susan AND CAMPING OUT. =0ACheer s, Gardiner=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:Jack Phill ips =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed , May 25, 2011 9:14:52 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list =0AGardiner,=0A =0AYou won=99t have to wait so long for your ribs. R yan Mueller last night ordered =0Aenough spruce, plywood and T-88 to make a set of ribs and had it sent to my =0Ahouse. I=99ve pulled my old ri b jig off the shelf and as soon as the wood gets =0Ahere I will start build ing your ribs. I hope to have them finished before =0ABrodhead and can shi p them to you (I don=99t think a stack of 5=99 long ribs will =0Afit in your Cessna 140 =93 I used to have a 140 and its cabin is o nly 35=9D wide).=0A =0AYou are too valuable to this list to allow you to not get your Piet back in the =0Aair.=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D=0ASmith Mountain Lake, Virginia=0A =0A=0A_ _______________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matr onics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf O f airlion=0ASent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:30 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matr onics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list=0A =0AYou are a real inspiration Bob. I am 78 going on 79 come nov. and I am starting =0At o rebuild after that tornado in Lakeland . Got lots to do. Keep at it. See ms =0Alike you are building faster than I did at 5 years and it took only 1 5 seconds =0Ato tear it up. Cheers, Gardiner Mason=0A =0A=0A_______________ _________________=0A =0AFrom:Robert S. Edson =0ATo : pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:10:53 PM=0ASubje ct: Pietenpol-List: first time on list=0AMy name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August =0A2010 and have all the frame c ompleted and on the wooden gear with 21 in. spoked =0Awheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished the cowl =0Aand I'm instal ling the instruments and engine controls. I hope to have it =0Afinished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet. Having a great =0Atime- -got started a little later than most people , I'm 76 years old.=0ABob Edso n=0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://================ ========0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?P ietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/cont ==================== =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2011
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia!
WOW!! What a find. Please be sure to take some pictures..... That's neat. -----Original Message----- >From: bubbleboy <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> >Sent: May 25, 2011 2:45 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! > > >Hi all....while trying to find someone to help me lace and true my nice new Buchanan spoked rims, I went in to the local motorcycle shop. I asked one of the guys behind the counter if they lace rims to which they replied we certainly do! We will get the boss for you as he likes "these old weird planes" (Their words). > >Boss comes out and I show him a picture of what im building and he instantly says "Thats a Pietenpol"! Of course I replied it was. > >We then went on to chat for 30 mins about how he has a Pietenpol Scout built in 1933 and is fitted with a 50hp 9 cylinder radial. Apparently the engine was freshened up in 1959 and then from 1961 till the 1990's when he obtained it, it hung from the ceiling of a local museum come bric brac store. He acquired it with the plan to do a complete restoration one day. He said time has not allowed him to start this yet but each week he goes out and uncovers it and turns the prop over by hand to keep the engine turning. He is a motorcycle mechanic so I hope he has lubed the inside of it. > >Anyway I thought I would share my find and he has invited me over to have a look so will ask if I may take some pics and post them on here. > >Scotty > >-------- >Scotty > >Tamworth, Australia >Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > >www.scottyspietenpol.com > >Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 22 Ribs built... > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340897#340897 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2011
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Greetings, Fellow Texican Pietenpolers!
Ryan you and Jesse are just kids; lots of time yet for Piet flying and stuff! Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: May 25, 2011
Just for reference, one degree of dihedral translates to about 3 inches at the wingtip (Assuming that dihedral angle is the upward angle from horizontal of the wings) . Two degrees would be almost double that, and three degrees almost triple that amount (just under NINE inches). Based on eyeball guesstimation, the Piet in the photo that Gary posted appears to have about one degree of dihedral Aside from the effects on flight characteristics, a Piet with three degrees of dihedral would tend to look like an old free-flight model. Not so sure that would be a desired look for a full-size aircraft Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340966#340966 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/model_142.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: first time on list
Date: May 25, 2011
If it were mine, I would do something similar to what Mike Cuy suggested. I would definitely do wood, just don't know what configuration. I'll probably make the ribs with the capstrips going all the way to a point, and you can then trim them to fit whatever you decide to use for a trailing edge. That might make for a good study at Brodhead, investigating the various techniques used. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list Jack, I know what you mean about the trailing edge. My preformed aluminum one did the same thing. What do you suggest.? I will go either way. Thanks, Gardiner _____ From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 10:19:51 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list Gardiner, What kind of treatment to the trailing edge tips of the ribs do you want? Do you want them cut off square, or a step included to attach a wooden trailing edge? Or should I just bring them to a point and let you do as you wish with them when you get the ribs? I used preformed aluminum trailing edge material on mine and would definitely NOT do that again - it is too hard to keep it from creeping under fabric tension (look at the little puckers at each rib on my trailing edges - those puckers were not there when I first covered it), and it is too easily damaged when an idiot walks into it, as happened this past weekend at the Lynchburg Airshow. I just hope it hurt him as much as it hurt my airplane. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list Thanks Jack. I am saving the spars and wing tip on that one wing and all the fittings. I will be driving to Brodhead with my wife Susan AND CAMPING OUT. Cheers, Gardiner _____ From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 9:14:52 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list Gardiner, You won't have to wait so long for your ribs. Ryan Mueller last night ordered enough spruce, plywood and T-88 to make a set of ribs and had it sent to my house. I've pulled my old rib jig off the shelf and as soon as the wood gets here I will start building your ribs. I hope to have them finished before Brodhead and can ship them to you (I don't think a stack of 5' long ribs will fit in your Cessna 140 - I used to have a 140 and its cabin is only 35" wide). You are too valuable to this list to allow you to not get your Piet back in the air. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list You are a real inspiration Bob. I am 78 going on 79 come nov. and I am starting to rebuild after that tornado in Lakeland . Got lots to do. Keep at it. Seems like you are building faster than I did at 5 years and it took only 15 seconds to tear it up. Cheers, Gardiner Mason _____ From: Robert S. Edson <robertse(at)centurytel.net> Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:10:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August 2010 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in. spoked wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished the cowl and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to have it finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet. Having a great time--got started a little later than most people , I'm 76 years old. Bob Edson http://====================== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/contribution============ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind
Date: May 25, 2011
Might look something like this: Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dihedral vs. crosswind Just for reference, one degree of dihedral translates to about 3 inches at the wingtip (Assuming that dihedral angle is the upward angle from horizontal of the wings) . Two degrees would be almost double that, and three degrees almost triple that amount (just under NINE inches). Based on eyeball guesstimation, the Piet in the photo that Gary posted appears to have about one degree of dihedral Aside from the effects on flight characteristics, a Piet with three degrees of dihedral would tend to look like an old free-flight model. Not so sure that would be a desired look for a full-size aircraft Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: one man's leading and trailing edge ideas for Pietenpol
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 25, 2011
I used Mike's technique... fairly straightforward and I was able to achieve good results. Thanks Mike! I purchased two 14' long white pine handrails from Home Depot and ripped them as Mike shows in his drawing. The bottom of the LE rounds our nicely with the bottom of the ribs. The top of the LE overlaps the top of the ribs ~1/16"... perfect for fitting LE sheeting. Here is something to think about... I had to install backing strips in order to provide a surface to attach the LE sheet. I just used short lengths of 1/4" x 1/4" bass wood. Markle has a pretty good method for providing LE attaching surface, but it requires a bit more work on the table saw. I also used a simple white pine base board and cut it the way Mike illustrates. This was pretty simple to do. I used wide tongue depressors for gussets... tapered on both ends. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340975#340975 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: first time on list
Date: May 25, 2011
This worked well for me, not tested thought. The picture is the best I have. Basically I cut a groove in the trailing edge front and the rear of the rib with a 1/8" blade in the table saw. Then used 1/8th ply to join. Jack DSM _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:37 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list If it were mine, I would do something similar to what Mike Cuy suggested. I would definitely do wood, just don't know what configuration. I'll probably make the ribs with the capstrips going all the way to a point, and you can then trim them to fit whatever you decide to use for a trailing edge. That might make for a good study at Brodhead, investigating the various techniques used. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list Jack, I know what you mean about the trailing edge. My preformed aluminum one did the same thing. What do you suggest.? I will go either way. Thanks, Gardiner _____ From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 10:19:51 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list Gardiner, What kind of treatment to the trailing edge tips of the ribs do you want? Do you want them cut off square, or a step included to attach a wooden trailing edge? Or should I just bring them to a point and let you do as you wish with them when you get the ribs? I used preformed aluminum trailing edge material on mine and would definitely NOT do that again - it is too hard to keep it from creeping under fabric tension (look at the little puckers at each rib on my trailing edges - those puckers were not there when I first covered it), and it is too easily damaged when an idiot walks into it, as happened this past weekend at the Lynchburg Airshow. I just hope it hurt him as much as it hurt my airplane. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list Thanks Jack. I am saving the spars and wing tip on that one wing and all the fittings. I will be driving to Brodhead with my wife Susan AND CAMPING OUT. Cheers, Gardiner _____ From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 9:14:52 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list Gardiner, You won't have to wait so long for your ribs. Ryan Mueller last night ordered enough spruce, plywood and T-88 to make a set of ribs and had it sent to my house. I've pulled my old rib jig off the shelf and as soon as the wood gets here I will start building your ribs. I hope to have them finished before Brodhead and can ship them to you (I don't think a stack of 5' long ribs will fit in your Cessna 140 - I used to have a 140 and its cabin is only 35" wide). You are too valuable to this list to allow you to not get your Piet back in the air. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list You are a real inspiration Bob. I am 78 going on 79 come nov. and I am starting to rebuild after that tornado in Lakeland . Got lots to do. Keep at it. Seems like you are building faster than I did at 5 years and it took only 15 seconds to tear it up. Cheers, Gardiner Mason _____ From: Robert S. Edson <robertse(at)centurytel.net> Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:10:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August 2010 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in. spoked wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished the cowl and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to have it finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet. Having a great time--got started a little later than most people , I'm 76 years old. Bob Edson http://====================== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/contribution============ http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: first time on list
Date: May 25, 2011
That looks very nice, Jack. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 1:09 PM Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list This worked well for me, not tested thought. The picture is the best I have. Basically I cut a groove in the trailing edge front and the rear of the rib with a 1/8" blade in the table saw. Then used 1/8th ply to join. Jack DSM _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:37 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list If it were mine, I would do something similar to what Mike Cuy suggested. I would definitely do wood, just don't know what configuration. I'll probably make the ribs with the capstrips going all the way to a point, and you can then trim them to fit whatever you decide to use for a trailing edge. That might make for a good study at Brodhead, investigating the various techniques used. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:27 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list Jack, I know what you mean about the trailing edge. My preformed aluminum one did the same thing. What do you suggest.? I will go either way. Thanks, Gardiner _____ From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 10:19:51 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list Gardiner, What kind of treatment to the trailing edge tips of the ribs do you want? Do you want them cut off square, or a step included to attach a wooden trailing edge? Or should I just bring them to a point and let you do as you wish with them when you get the ribs? I used preformed aluminum trailing edge material on mine and would definitely NOT do that again - it is too hard to keep it from creeping under fabric tension (look at the little puckers at each rib on my trailing edges - those puckers were not there when I first covered it), and it is too easily damaged when an idiot walks into it, as happened this past weekend at the Lynchburg Airshow. I just hope it hurt him as much as it hurt my airplane. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list Thanks Jack. I am saving the spars and wing tip on that one wing and all the fittings. I will be driving to Brodhead with my wife Susan AND CAMPING OUT. Cheers, Gardiner _____ From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 9:14:52 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list Gardiner, You won't have to wait so long for your ribs. Ryan Mueller last night ordered enough spruce, plywood and T-88 to make a set of ribs and had it sent to my house. I've pulled my old rib jig off the shelf and as soon as the wood gets here I will start building your ribs. I hope to have them finished before Brodhead and can ship them to you (I don't think a stack of 5' long ribs will fit in your Cessna 140 - I used to have a 140 and its cabin is only 35" wide). You are too valuable to this list to allow you to not get your Piet back in the air. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first time on list You are a real inspiration Bob. I am 78 going on 79 come nov. and I am starting to rebuild after that tornado in Lakeland . Got lots to do. Keep at it. Seems like you are building faster than I did at 5 years and it took only 15 seconds to tear it up. Cheers, Gardiner Mason _____ From: Robert S. Edson <robertse(at)centurytel.net> Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:10:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: first time on list My name is Bob Edson and I live in Branson Mo. I started my piet in August 2010 and have all the frame completed and on the wooden gear with 21 in. spoked wheels. The engine is an 0200 with 20 min. time on it. Just finished the cowl and I'm installing the instruments and engine controls. I hope to have it finished by winter. All wood is sitka and the ribs are Riblet. Having a great time--got started a little later than most people , I'm 76 years old. Bob Edson http://====================== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/contribution============ http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Trailing edge treatment
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: May 25, 2011
Jack T., This is exactly the way I did it, only I used 3/32 ply I think. Worked very well. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com> Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 12:11 pm Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: first time on list This worked well for me, not tested thought. The picture is the best I hav e. Basically I cut a groove in the trailing edge front and the rear of the rib with a 1/8=9D blade in the table saw. Then used 1/8th ply to jo in. Jack DSM ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Trailing edge treatment
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 25, 2011
What? That's not the way Ber-nerd did it! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340984#340984 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/te_treatment_137.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia!
Date: May 25, 2011
Scotty, Sure hope you get some good pictures, since I am trying to build one. Thanks and fly SAFELY, Ray Krause Waiex 51YX, Jabiru 3300 (1197), Sensenich wood prop, AeroCarb (#2 needle modified), Dynon D-180, Garmin SL 30 NavCom, Garmin 327 transponder, Garmin Aera 560, nav and strobe lights: 250 hrs., building Sky Scout ----- Original Message ----- From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 2:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! > > > Hi all....while trying to find someone to help me lace and true my nice > new Buchanan spoked rims, I went in to the local motorcycle shop. I asked > one of the guys behind the counter if they lace rims to which they replied > we certainly do! We will get the boss for you as he likes "these old weird > planes" (Their words). > > Boss comes out and I show him a picture of what im building and he > instantly says "Thats a Pietenpol"! Of course I replied it was. > > We then went on to chat for 30 mins about how he has a Pietenpol Scout > built in 1933 and is fitted with a 50hp 9 cylinder radial. Apparently the > engine was freshened up in 1959 and then from 1961 till the 1990's when he > obtained it, it hung from the ceiling of a local museum come bric brac > store. He acquired it with the plan to do a complete restoration one day. > He said time has not allowed him to start this yet but each week he goes > out and uncovers it and turns the prop over by hand to keep the engine > turning. He is a motorcycle mechanic so I hope he has lubed the inside of > it. > > Anyway I thought I would share my find and he has invited me over to have > a look so will ask if I may take some pics and post them on here. > > Scotty > > -------- > Scotty > > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 22 Ribs built... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340897#340897 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Trailing edge treatment
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: May 25, 2011
Darnit! I should have known not to mention anything about this! My image ta rnished! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net> Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 1:11 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trailing edge treatment What? That's not the way Ber-nerd did it! -------- ark Chouinard ings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340984#340984 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/te_treatment_137.jpg -======================== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== -----Original Message----- From: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net> Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 1:11 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Trailing edge treatment What? That's not the way Ber-nerd did it! -------- ark Chouinard ings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340984#340984 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/te_treatment_137.jpg -======================== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: first time on list
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: May 25, 2011
You know, Gardiner, thank goodness Gary's not doing your wing ribs. He mentioned it would take 5 years. He didn't mention you'd be missing two when he was done. I've said it before: nice Piet people. do not arcive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340989#340989 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Woodflier(at)aol.com
Date: May 25, 2011
Subject: Snapfish album
Here's a link to some project photos of my recently complete Pietenpol, and several taken today during a beautiful early morning flight. _http://www2.snapfish.com/snapfish/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=3402662021/a=49783 5021_497835021/otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=snapfish/_ (http://www2.snapfish.com/snapfish/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=3402662021/a=497835021_497835021 /otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=snapfish/) 36.5 hours to fly off before Brodhead. Tough duty!! Matt Paxton ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Snapfish album
Date: May 25, 2011
Matt=2C Congrats on getting your beatiful Piet in the air. If your announcement of your first flight wasn't enough to bolster my building enthusiasm=2C your group of photos on snapfish of not only some of the build but also those wo nderful first flights are the source of encouragment all of us worskshop dw ellers need! Thanks for the shot in the arm. Your workmanship and determi nation are an inspiration. Thanks! Scott Knowlton Burlington Ontario Ribs and Tail Feathers done From: Woodflier(at)aol.com Date: Wed=2C 25 May 2011 18:33:33 -0400 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Snapfish album Here's a link to some project photos of my recently complete Pietenpol=2C a nd several taken today during a beautiful early morning flight. http://www2.snapfish.com/snapfish/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=3402662021/a=4 97835021_497835021/otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=snapfish/ 36.5 hours to fly off before Brodhead. Tough duty!! Matt Paxton ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2011
From: "wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com" <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Subject: R/C Piet Kit For Sale (not mine)
Hello Good People, I noticed this one on the net this evening, and thought I'd pass it along. It's not mine, so I can't answer questions, but judging from the pics it looks like a good buy. R/C Piet kit for sale: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1444980 Wayne Bressler Taildraggers, Inc. www.taildraggersinc.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2011
Subject: First Cuts...
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Well, it has REALLY begun now! With the help of my daughter's boyfriend, I cut one of the boards I have planed down to thickness into 1.125" strips, then planed them down to 1". Then, with eager anticipation, I fit te top and bottom stringers into place, stepped back and realized I have begun to build a REAL airplane, not a model. Dang, May 25th 1959 my parents married, and on May 25th 2011, I began to put stingers into place for my new airplane. Finally. The dream begins to take shape :o) Yes, it is a little thing, but the old Proverb of "The Journey of a thousand steps starts with just one" takes on some personal meaning... Mark ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Cuts...
From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net>
Date: May 25, 2011
Way to go, Mark! Nothing like seeing actual airplane parts coming to life on your workbench! Keep it up! -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341075#341075 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Fwd: Sale of Barber Airport (2D1)
Date: May 26, 2011
Hi List- The site of many great Pietenpol-related events, home to Frank Pavliga's 2 Piets, as well as the annual Taylorcraft and Aeronca Fly- Ins. Any entrepreneurial types out there interested in a business opportunity? Ohio grows on you (especially with the amount of rain we've had this Spring!). KIp Gardner > From: taylorcraft(at)neo.rr.com > > Subject: Sale of Barber Airport (2D1) > Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 09:37:18 -0400 > > To our family of friends: It is time to try to retire even more. > go to www.barberaircraft.com click on left side : Barber > Airport For Sale > > copied below too pictures on web site.... we have an active > inquiry now ; actually two , they may respond soon. WE intend to > honor present lease agreements and monthly rentals . bye Patty & > Forrest > > > Barber Airport Property for Sale - May 2011: > > This airport is presently a State of Ohio, Class III Airport, ID# > 2D1 located three miles north of Alliance, Oh. We are located on > State Route #225 or Union Ave. We have been operating since 1940 > and are one of five Sod airports in Ohio with full services. We have > maintenance, fuel, hangar space, tie downs and two Fixed Base > Operations (FBO=92s). > Barber Aircraft Inc. is a =93C=94 Corporation formed in 1992 and is > the operating FBO on the south side of the airport. Canton Air > Sports is a sole proprietorship on the north side of the airport and > is a Sky-Diving and Banner 'Tow operation. www.canton-airsports.com > We have two Sod runways 18-36, 3500 ft long, 80 ft wide ( could be > 4100 ft) and 9-27 , 2300 ft long , 130 wide, (could be 4600 ft). > We have an approved FAA Master Plan that could expand the > airport to 4350 ft. 75 ft wide with taxiways; this would be runway > 10-28 and hard surface. There are 25 based aircraft with revenue > from numerous rentals of hangar buildings, house, land, and > operating oil disposal wells. > My wife and I are looking to retire and wish to have a planned > sale of all or a part of this property. > > > (Click image for larger) An aerial photo looking East from the > Berlin Reservoir. The disposal well site is in the foreground, Rt. # > 225 and Price St form the north boundary of the airport. Canton Air- > Sports is shown along with a proposed site for a Sheets Station, > Taco Bell, Circle K, or other such business. We have 12,000 to > 16,000 vehicles per day past this location. > > > (Click image for larger) > This aerial photo shows the view from the south, Greenbower St in > the foreground, it shows three of the four homes that have access to > the runways plus the last lot for sale on the west side of 18-36. > All the above is on the web site too! This lot is septic approved > for one home but could have more with a small package plant. > The Google map on the web site shows the whole airport plus the land > around it that is available for expansion. The advantage for any > Aviation enthusiast is that this in an Approved Class III Ohio > Airport with all FAA requirements complied with and the Township > Zoning has it listed as approved Conditional Usage (Airport > Operations) > For more information, Call Forrest Barber @ 330-495-5447 or > 330-823-1168 or email taylorcraft(at)neo.rr.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 26, 2011
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: First Cuts...
I remember when I was at this stage thinking, I started learning how to do this when I was about 7 years old. The construction is very similar to models we all built when we were kids. Ben On 5/26/2011 1:34 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Well, it has REALLY begun now! > > With the help of my daughter's boyfriend, I cut one of the boards I > have planed down to thickness into 1.125" strips, then planed them > down to 1". Then, with eager anticipation, I fit te top and bottom > stringers into place, stepped back and realized I have begun to build > a REAL airplane, not a model. > > Dang, May 25th 1959 my parents married, and on May 25th 2011, I began > to put stingers into place for my new airplane. > > Finally. The dream begins to take shape :o) Yes, it is a little > thing, but the old Proverb of "The Journey of a thousand steps starts > with just one" takes on some personal meaning... > > Mark ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 26, 2011
Subject: Re: First Cuts...
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Yep, it's just a big model, isn't it Ben?! Speaking of models: Jack Phillips: I know you are in NC (Raleigh if I remember correctly) and the first job offer I ever received was at a hobby shop in Raleigh at the mall when I was too young to drive. We lived in Cary (I went to Apex High School) and I had to turn down the job cause my parents wouldn't drive me to the mall for work. They said apply at the local grocery store to be a bag boy! Some fun there.... Harumph! At Apex High I was in the Aeronautical something or other class. The instructor, Mr. Buffalo, and ex F-104 pilot, bought the plans to 'The Flying Bathtub' and was going to start a class project building it the next year... My first shot at building a 'real' airplane, and while still in High School! I was in the CAP there at Raleigh, so this was perfect! We moved over the summer, and I never got to work on that project. So, I'm excited to start now. At least I don't have one foot in the grave yet! Pictures to follow soon, as I took them, but they are still on the camera. Mark On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 6:00 AM, Ben Charvet wrote: > > I remember when I was at this stage thinking, I started learning how to do > this when I was about 7 years old. The construction is very similar to > models we all built when we were kids. > > Ben > > On 5/26/2011 1:34 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > >> Well, it has REALLY begun now! >> >> With the help of my daughter's boyfriend, I cut one of the boards I have >> planed down to thickness into 1.125" strips, then planed them down to 1". >> Then, with eager anticipation, I fit te top and bottom stringers into place, >> stepped back and realized I have begun to build a REAL airplane, not a >> model. >> >> Dang, May 25th 1959 my parents married, and on May 25th 2011, I began to >> put stingers into place for my new airplane. >> >> Finally. The dream begins to take shape :o) Yes, it is a little thing, >> but the old Proverb of "The Journey of a thousand steps starts with just >> one" takes on some personal meaning... >> >> Mark >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Let the Ribbing Begin
Date: May 26, 2011
Wing #2: Finding those pallets alongside the road worked out good=85from this pile of crap, I shall build a wing. And=85lest anyone attempt to expand and count that stack of ribs (not that anyone would), Yes, I am one rib short. My prot=E9g=E9, Beau, borrowed one to show his HS class that he was a rib-building son-of-a-gun! BTW=85I am proud to announce that he got accepted to Embry Riddle in Florida! Let the ribbing begin=85. I need to get these slid on and nailed down before tomorrow night=85JM=92s coming over for dinner=85 Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Cuts...
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 26, 2011
mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote: > ...bought the plans to 'The Flying Bathtub' and was going to start a class project building it the next year... My first shot at building a 'real' airplane, and while still in High School! Neato... I recently acquired a set of plans for the Dormy Flying Bathtub. I don't want to distract you from your current project, but if you want a copy I'd be glad to send them to yo. Looks like a pretty neat and easy bit of construction. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341128#341128 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 26, 2011
Subject: Re: First Cuts...
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
HA!! I have looked for the design as an adult just to see what it looks like. I have a vague memory, but now that I have the actual 'name' of the plane I'll see what I can find on google images. Thanks for the offer Mark! I won't put you to the trouble of sending plans, but maybe one day I'll see ya at Broadhead and we can look at them together :o) I'd love to keep typing away, but I think I may have a moment to sneak into the barn and cut sitka.I am afraid my wife is gonna get nervous that I am not spending enough time on my job this week, but she'll get over it! :oD Mark On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:18 AM, K5YAC wrote: > > > mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com wrote: > > ...bought the plans to 'The Flying Bathtub' and was going to start a > class project building it the next year... My first shot at building a > 'real' airplane, and while still in High School! > > > Neato... I recently acquired a set of plans for the Dormy Flying Bathtub. > I don't want to distract you from your current project, but if you want a > copy I'd be glad to send them to yo. Looks like a pretty neat and easy bit > of construction. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341128#341128 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Flooding mess
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: May 26, 2011
Just stumbled across some photos of major flooding of an airport near Memphis, right beside the Mississississippi River. Here's the flooded airport: http://www.flickr.com/photos/geoeyesatelliteimagery/5713015211/ And here's the same satellite image three weeks before the flooding: http://www.flickr.com/photos/geoeyesatelliteimagery/5713570318/ And what was inside some of those hangars? Well, one hangar had a Curtiss Robin and a Pietenpol: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45071839@N02/5716740589/ A quick check on landings.com did not produce any results for N40NN. What a shame. Hopefully things can be salvaged. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341135#341135 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flooding mess
From: "rvanengen" <rvanengen(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 26, 2011
was that the correct link for the hangar picture? Got a not found...hopefully that also means that the plane was at least trailered out!!! -------- --Randall 02xB || !02xB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341137#341137 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 26, 2011
Subject: Pics of the work
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Cutting the sitka plans into little strips... :o) I felt a bit bad, as this was completely vertical grain sitka, and the vertical grain for the fuse seemed like such a waste, but I am gonna buy certified spars for the wing. I don't feel like Dirty Harry: "Do you feel lucky Punk?" The guy helping me is my daughter's boyfriend, Numb Nuts. Well, I hope that's true.... At least until they get married.... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fwd: Sale of Barber Airport (2D1)
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 26, 2011
Did I miss the price? What do they have it listed for? Are they selling land and business? -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341139#341139 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Let the Ribbing Begin
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 26, 2011
Yeah, what Jim said... HAD 3 routers. As for the other Markleing Pietenpol builder, yes, I have two routers and on the lookout for a third... he is teaching me well. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341140#341140 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Flooding mess
Date: May 26, 2011
Man! I used to fly into that field all the time in my J-3 when I first learned to fly back in the early 70's. It's where I saw my first Citabria, as well as the prototype Decathlon (did you know the prototype Decathlon was an open cockpit parasol wing?). Very close to that airport is Mud Island, where the B-17F "Memphis Belle" is housed. I wonder if it got damaged? Mud Island is not very high above the Mississippi at best of times. Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 3:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flooding mess Just stumbled across some photos of major flooding of an airport near Memphis, right beside the Mississississippi River. Here's the flooded airport: http://www.flickr.com/photos/geoeyesatelliteimagery/5713015211/ And here's the same satellite image three weeks before the flooding: http://www.flickr.com/photos/geoeyesatelliteimagery/5713570318/ And what was inside some of those hangars? Well, one hangar had a Curtiss Robin and a Pietenpol: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45071839@N02/5716740589/ A quick check on landings.com did not produce any results for N40NN. What a shame. Hopefully things can be salvaged. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341135#341135 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flooding mess
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: May 26, 2011
Hmmm... I think that matronics automatically changes the "at" symbol to (at). The original link had an "at" symbol in there. You'll probably need to copy, edit and paste the link to make it work. Orrr... here's the photo as an attachment. That's the Curtiss Robin in the background. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341148#341148 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/5716740589_a0a86381a8_b_589.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Flooding mess
Date: May 26, 2011
I stand corrected. I looked up the airplane that I saw at Dewitt Spain airport in Memphis around 1970, and found it was a Citabria Pro. Only one was built, then Bellanca bought Champion and began developing the Decathlon. Here's a history: http://www.joeld.net/citabria/history.html And here's a picture of the plane I saw - I thought it was the coolest thing in the world, as a seventeen year old brand new private pilot: Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 5:38 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flooding mess Man! I used to fly into that field all the time in my J-3 when I first learned to fly back in the early 70's. It's where I saw my first Citabria, as well as the prototype Decathlon (did you know the prototype Decathlon was an open cockpit parasol wing?). Very close to that airport is Mud Island, where the B-17F "Memphis Belle" is housed. I wonder if it got damaged? Mud Island is not very high above the Mississippi at best of times. Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 3:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flooding mess Just stumbled across some photos of major flooding of an airport near Memphis, right beside the Mississississippi River. Here's the flooded airport: http://www.flickr.com/photos/geoeyesatelliteimagery/5713015211/ And here's the same satellite image three weeks before the flooding: http://www.flickr.com/photos/geoeyesatelliteimagery/5713570318/ And what was inside some of those hangars? Well, one hangar had a Curtiss Robin and a Pietenpol: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45071839@N02/5716740589/ A quick check on landings.com did not produce any results for N40NN. What a shame. Hopefully things can be salvaged. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341135#341135 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 26, 2011
Subject: Re: Flooding mess
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Gotta go straight to the horse's ass: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=40NN On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Bill Church wrote: > billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> > > Just stumbled across some photos of major flooding of an airport near > Memphis, right beside the Mississississippi River. > Here's the flooded airport: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/geoeyesatelliteimagery/> > 5713015211/ > And here's the same satellite image three weeks before the flooding: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/geoeyesatelliteimagery/> > 5713570318/ > > And what was inside some of those hangars? > Well, one hangar had a Curtiss Robin and a Pietenpol: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/45071839@N02/5716740589/ > > A quick check on landings.com did not produce any results for N40NN. > > What a shame. Hopefully things can be salvaged. > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341135#341135 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Let the Ribbing Begin
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Date: May 26, 2011
"Re: Let the Ribbing Begin" Ribs are upside down man...........will fly terrible. When are you moving to TX? Please don't archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341153#341153 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Sale of Barber Airport (2D1)
Date: May 26, 2011
I did not see a price listed. Maybe on one of the links to the airport in the original post I forwarded. Kip Gardner On May 26, 2011, at 4:25 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > > > > Did I miss the price? What do they have it listed for? Are they > selling land and business? > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341139#341139 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 26, 2011
Subject: Re: Snapfish album
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Matt: It's pictures like this that stoke the fires of enthusiasm for me and my wife. Of course, I love the shots of the plane; she says "Wow, where's he live! It's so green!" I confess, I'd like to know too, as we are feeling 'ABC' lately... (Anywhere But California...) Where are you based? Mark Fuse barely started... On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:33 PM, wrote: > Here's a link to some project photos of my recently complete Pietenpol, > and several taken today during a beautiful early morning flight. > > > http://www2.snapfish.com/snapfish/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=3402662021/a=497835021_497835021/otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=snapfish/ > > > 36.5 hours to fly off before Brodhead. Tough duty!! > > Matt Paxton > > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Cassutt Crash Sad News
Date: May 27, 2011
Lb Hansen the guru of Cassutt Racers was killed on a test flight. A friend in Des Moines is building one and had just corresponded with him prior to the accident. As I get closer to flying my Piet these stories and thoughts concern me. So sorry for his family and friends. Jack DSM http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/27982350/detail.html ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Woodflier(at)aol.com
Date: May 27, 2011
Subject: Re: Snapfish Album
Mark, I used to watch Mike Cuy's video to get me recharged, especially the part where he has a camera on him while he takes off and flies. That was good for several weeks of grunt work, like rib stitching. We all need that boost from time to time. But, it's all worth it when the plane flies! I'm in Lexington, Virginia, in the southern Shenandoah Valley. The mountains are the Blue Ridge and the Alleghanies. We've had a lot of rain this spring so everything is particularly green. Keep at it. Matt Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Snapfish album From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> Matt: It's pictures like this that stoke the fires of enthusiasm for me and my wife. Of course, I love the shots of the plane; she says "Wow, where's he live! It's so green!" I confess, I'd like to know too, as we are feeling 'ABC' lately... (Anywhere But California...) Where are you based? Mark Fuse barely started... On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:33 PM, wrote: > Here's a link to some project photos of my recently complete Pietenpol, > and several taken today during a beautiful early morning flight. > > > http://www2.snapfish.com/snapfish/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=3402662021/a=497835021_497835021/otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=snapfish/ > > > 36.5 hours to fly off before Brodhead. Tough duty!! > > Matt Paxton ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Snapfish Album
Date: May 27, 2011
If you need some more video of the region near Matt, here is a video of flying my Piet over Smith Mountain Lake, about 30 miles from Matt (my apologies for the mis-spelled Pietenpol name - I just flew the airplane, I didn't make the video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5HZGq0YZ2Y Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Woodflier(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 9:26 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Snapfish Album Mark, I used to watch Mike Cuy's video to get me recharged, especially the part where he has a camera on him while he takes off and flies. That was good for several weeks of grunt work, like rib stitching. We all need that boost from time to time. But, it's all worth it when the plane flies! I'm in Lexington, Virginia, in the southern Shenandoah Valley. The mountains are the Blue Ridge and the Alleghanies. We've had a lot of rain this spring so everything is particularly green. Keep at it. Matt Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Snapfish album From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> Matt: It's pictures like this that stoke the fires of enthusiasm for me and my wife. Of course, I love the shots of the plane; she says "Wow, where's he live! It's so green!" I confess, I'd like to know too, as we are feeling 'ABC' lately... (Anywhere But California...) Where are you based? Mark Fuse barely started... On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:33 PM, wrote: > Here's a link to some project photos of my recently complete Pietenpol, > and several taken today during a beautiful early morning flight. > > http://www2.snapfish.com/snapfish/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=3402662021/a=497835 021_497835021/otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=snapfish/ > > > 36.5 hours to fly off before Brodhead. Tough duty!! > > Matt Paxton ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Aileron flex.
From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 27, 2011
I am wondering about the flex in my ailerons on the GN-1 I finished and started flying. a friend was looking at it and pointed out that there is quite a bit of weakness in the aileron when you put some tension or lift toward the ends of them-at the trailing edge. it wrinkles the fabric pretty easy and he was concerned that there might be something coming apart. I cut the fabric away from the underside of the left one to be sure and it looks OK. it just is not a very stiff spar on the front and there are no X or V braces going back to transfer the loads like I have seen on other designs. I may be over-complicating the thing. it has flown OK up to now. I see nothing in the plans to indicate anything other than the simple spar and ribs going back to the aluminum trailing edge I have - this wing was the project I bought from D.J. Vegh. I am in the unfortunate shape of needing to go away on a job for a couple weeks and it would be good to have this fixed before too long but other than peel all the fabric off and glue a continuous strip of plywood along the top and bottom of the spar and maybe some angle strips of wood back from the aileron horn area I am not sure what I might do to fix it or if i needs anything. have any of you ran into this and did it concern you? Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341213#341213 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 1000 hours - NASA style...
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 27, 2011
Wow....... I've been working on my Pietenpol for a lot more than 1000 hours. Look what NASA built in that time.....! A spacewalk for the history books Chamitoff and Fincke logged the 1,000th hour spacewalking in support of International Space Station assembly and maintenance at 4:02 a.m., four hours and 47 minutes into the EVA. Spread over 159 shuttle and station spacewalks performed since construction began in 1998, the total time at the end of today's EVA was 1,002 hours and 37 minutes dedicated to the space station. -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341218#341218 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 27, 2011
Subject: Firewall
From: Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com>
I am in the re-assembly stages on NX7229R and have come to the firewall. I have decided the previous firewall was unacceptable, but have not decided what to do about the new one. Bingellis calls for .016 stainless over 0.624 asbestos, but I have a feeling asbestos is out of style. Any thoughts? -- Andrew Eldredge Provo, UT ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 27, 2011
Subject: Re: Snapfish Album
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Beautiful Country there Matt! I lived from 11 - 19 years old in NC, SC and VA. We moved a lot. At the time I didn;t have the maturity to appreciate the beauty of the Mountains, but today I'd love to be up in them thar hills! Maybe one day. Mark On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:25 AM, wrote: > Mark, I used to watch Mike Cuy's video to get me recharged, especially > the part where he has a camera on him while he takes off and flies. That was > good for several weeks of grunt work, like rib stitching. We all need that > boost from time to time. But, it's all worth it when the plane flies! > > I'm in Lexington, Virginia, in the southern Shenandoah Valley. The > mountains are the Blue Ridge and the Alleghanies. We've had a lot of rain > this spring so everything is particularly green. > > Keep at it. > > Matt > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Snapfish album > From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> > > Matt: > > It's pictures like this that stoke the fires of enthusiasm for me and my > wife. > > Of course, I love the shots of the plane; she says "Wow, where's he live! > It's so green!" > > I confess, I'd like to know too, as we are feeling 'ABC' lately... > (Anywhere > But California...) > > Where are you based? > > Mark > Fuse barely started... > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:33 PM, wrote: > > > Here's a link to some project photos of my recently complete Pietenpol, > > and several taken today during a beautiful early morning flight. > > > > > > > http://www2.snapfish.com/snapfish/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=3402662021/a=497835021_497835021/otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=snapfish/ > > > > > > 36.5 hours to fly off before Brodhead. Tough duty!! > > > > Matt Paxton > > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Firewall
Date: May 27, 2011
I used fiberfrax under my galvanized steel firewall. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Eldredge Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 3:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall I am in the re-assembly stages on NX7229R and have come to the firewall. I have decided the previous firewall was unacceptable, but have not decided what to do about the new one. Bingellis calls for .016 stainless over 0.624 asbestos, but I have a feeling asbestos is out of style. Any thoughts? -- Andrew Eldredge Provo, UT ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Firewall
Date: May 27, 2011
Hav you checked out ACS pg 311? There are some good products there for coating the firewall. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Eldredge To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 2:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall I am in the re-assembly stages on NX7229R and have come to the firewall. I have decided the previous firewall was unacceptable, but have not decided what to do about the new one. Bingellis calls for .016 stainless over 0.624 asbestos, but I have a feeling asbestos is out of style. Any thoughts? -- Andrew Eldredge Provo, UT ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Firewall
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: May 28, 2011
I used .016 stainless and Fiberfrax. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "amsafetyc(at)aol.com" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: May 28, 2011
Subject: Movin on
Well its finally happened its official, NX895JR has made the transition from basement folly "ship in a bottle" to her new home. Last night we slid her through the basement mandoor of her birthplace at 635 South Broad Street Lititz without incident or complication on to my trailer. After a short comfortable 4 mile ride we arrived at Lancaster airport LNS and moved her into her new home 5-5. Last night was her first night there with all those of her own kind, well remote winged relatives Rvs and such. No real family members on field though and none named Piet. Ill be going over soon to see how her first night went , first night with out people around to see how she did. John Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Markle Palooza
Date: May 28, 2011
A few weeks ago, learning that Jim was going to be in the Sacramento area for a few days, Chris Tracy and I decided that it would be cheaper to entertain him for few nights, rather than be faced with the probability of throwing bail. For two nights in a row we had the pleasure of Jim=99s company, along with fellow Piet builders, Mike Weaver and John McPherson. All things considered, I don=99t think the price was too high... Allowing that Jim Markle is probably the one individual who has seen more Piets in progress than any other person, I asked him if he had ever seen a project that he had misgivings about. He didn=99t say too much, but his gaze just moved to the left to my fuselage. Now, why would he have done that......? I don=99t know if it=99s the Pietenpol that draws Good People together, or if it=99s Good People that decide to build Pietenpols. Either way, and as always, I had two great evenings with fellow builders.... Gary Still in Cool Working on wings ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 28, 2011
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Axle Fairing Done
Douwe B. had posted some great pictures of his axle fairing a while ago. Th e timing was great as I was just starting mine as well. Here is the finishe d product. It is a simple piece of plywood wrapped around the axle. (There are small "ribs" inside to help hold it's shape.) I am very pleased with th e way it worked out...I only wish the finish was not quite so shinny! - Now that the landing gear is complete, the fuselage is now in the garage. - I am finishing up some details on the wings in the shop, getting ready to fit them and the center section to the fuselage. - Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Movin on
Date: May 28, 2011
Great news John! Its good that the hanger is so close to home. I have mostly been working on my engine which is still at home. I plan on moving my project out to the hanger when I get back from Corvair College 20. I'm ready to hang the wings and put on the motor mount. I need to get the corvair block out of the basement and on an engine stand before I add any more weight. Plus the engine stand will make it easier to mount the cylinders and pistons. When I get back from CC 20, I should have most of what I need to finish up the engine. I hope to have it running by mid-summer. Regards, Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com Sent: 5/28/2011 8:41:38 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Movin on Well its finally happened its official, NX895JR has made the transition from basement folly "ship in a bottle" to her new home. Last night we slid her through the basement mandoor of her birthplace at 635 South Broad Street Lititz without incident or complication on to my trailer. After a short comfortable 4 mile ride we arrived at Lancaster airport LNS and moved her into her new home 5-5. Last night was her first night there with all those of her own kind, well remote winged relatives Rvs and such. No real family members on field though and none named Piet. Ill be going over soon to see how her first night went , first night with out people around to see how she did. John Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Movin on
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 28, 2011
Yippie!.. What a coincidence!..congratz on the move... I will be moving my GN-1 to Lancaster airport as well! They (KLNC) called me yesterday to let me know that a T-Hangar is available. Just signed the lease today. I guess the long wait for hangar space finally came thru. I have to head out overseas on a trip, but plan to trailer her out there around June 12th. I promised the family a summer vacation early June. I'll be chomping at the bit during said "vacation"... Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341279#341279 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf4375_528.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: tank sealant
Date: May 28, 2011
Hey all, My aluminum tank is pretty much done. I THINK I got all the leaks as it won't leak with fuel under pressure, but. Just to be completely sure, I'm going to seal the seams on the outside and wondered what would be a good sealant that I could brush on. A friend used something like proseal and said it worked great, but I'm wondering if that is too thick to brush. Any thoughts?? Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: tank sealant
Date: May 28, 2011
That stuff the RV guys use is great - can't recall the name exactly - Jack c an jump in to remind us - but you can't brush it on, no. It's thick like sil icone. Best you'd get is a smear. -- Dan Yocum yocum137(at)gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On May 28, 2011, at 3:00 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" w rote: > Hey all, > > > > My aluminum tank is pretty much done. I THINK I got all the leaks as it w on=99t leak with fuel under pressure, but > > > > Just to be completely sure, I=99m going to seal the seams on the out side and wondered what would be a good sealant that I could brush on. A fri end used something like proseal and said it worked great, but I=99m wo ndering if that is too thick to brush. > > > > Any thoughts?? > > > > Douwe > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Movin on
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 28, 2011
Wow, a whole series of inspiring photos. What is it with this weekend? I working at on my project till nearly 2am last night/this morning... hope to do the same tonight. Spoke to the Markler this morning and even he said that his visit with Gary, Chris and others was so motivational that he may try to do some work on his airplane. That California trip must have been like Brodhead magic to get him motivated like that! Ha! I kid, I kid! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341297#341297 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Markle Palooza
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 28, 2011
Dang, I'll bet you guys did have fun. Not only is Jim well versed in Pietenpol lore, he's just a lot of fun to be around. Love the drill bit photos... you definitely know he's been there. Ha! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341298#341298 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Movin on
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: May 29, 2011
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Subject: Re: Movin on
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: May 29, 2011
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From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: tank sealant
Date: May 29, 2011
Douwe here is the new Proseal. http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1306669926-510-672 <http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1306669926-510-672&br owse=misc&product=proseal> &browse=misc&product=proseal Don't count on brushing. It's more like a thick STICKY peanut butter. I used popsicle sticks. Jack, DSM From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 1:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: tank sealant Hey all, My aluminum tank is pretty much done. I THINK I got all the leaks as it won't leak with fuel under pressure, but. Just to be completely sure, I'm going to seal the seams on the outside and wondered what would be a good sealant that I could brush on. A friend used something like proseal and said it worked great, but I'm wondering if that is too thick to brush. Any thoughts?? Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: axle fairing photos
Date: May 29, 2011
Hey Michael, Can you send me some shots of your fairing offline? I can rarely download shots from the list. Congrats John on the big move!! Looks like I'm driving up to Don Emch's place on Monday to pickup the wings he rebuilt for me and storing them in the hangar down here while I finish up the rest. Can't wait to see them and have all the parts in one town again!!! Got my rebuilt engine back from Tom Wottreng and it is gorgeous. Great guy to work with, sent me tons of photos throughout the build and his work seems impeccable. It is so cool to see that beautiful engine on the nose! Now I'm just trying to keep her clean as I do final tweaks on the fiberglass cowling. Every little bit of dust freaks me out. Think the enlarged "moth" style tank is finally leak free so that means I'm now free to get the center section back together, which means I can then get that mounted, which means I can now make the new cross brace cables, which means, which means... Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: tank sealant
Date: May 29, 2011
Douwe=2C what is wrong with sealing it on the INSIDE with sloshing sealer? I have always used it and swear by it. They make an automotive sloshing s ealer that is alcohol-proof for todays autofuel that I am putting in my tan k. If you are only going avgas=2C the aviation sealer works great. I have heard horror stories=2C but have never had any trouble at all with it. A little lacquer thinner sloshed around first=2C air dry it with compressed a ir=2C and slosh the inside with the sealer. I have cut one of my tanks ope n and you could not scrape the sealer off with a razor blade. Proseal is s o thick=2C I don't think you will be very happy trying to brush it on=2C an d it wil look like hell. Gene From: douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: tank sealant Date: Sat=2C 28 May 2011 15:00:52 -0400 Hey all=2C My aluminum tank is pretty much done. I THINK I got all the leaks as it wo n=92t leak with fuel under pressure=2C but=85 Just to be completely sure=2C I=92m going to seal the seams on the outside and wondered what would be a good sealant that I could brush on. A friend used something like proseal and said it worked great=2C but I=92m wondering if that is too thick to brush. Any thoughts?? Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 29, 2011
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Markle Palooza
Well, it was MY pleasure getting to visit the West Coast folks! There's always something special about getting to spend time with good people, especially when I'm traveling somewhere. Getting to see Chris' project with the wings/ailerons so far along....and Gary's with the wings so far along....wow, that was exciting. And as usual, I saw at least one little idea that I am going to use on my project...(and no, I'm not referring to new drill bits!)..... And Gary! He LOVES his tools! Whenever we drive up he's taking pictures of his tools and when we pull out of his driveway he's starts taking MORE pictures of his tools.... Ok, seriously, thanks guys for a couple of very nice evenings....and meals. A good dose of Pietenpol talk with good people (and their families!), a few tall stories AND they fed me.... Priceless. In a message dated 5/28/2011 11:02:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gboothe5(at)comcast.net writes: A few weeks ago, learning that Jim was going to be in the Sacramento area for a few days, Chris Tracy and I decided that it would be cheaper to entertain him for few nights, rather than be faced with the probability of throwing bail. For two nights in a row we had the pleasure of Jims company, along with fellow Piet builders, Mike Weaver and John McPherson. All things considered, I dont think the price was too high... Allowing that Jim Markle is probably the one individual who has seen more Piets in progress than any other person, I asked him if he had ever seen a project that he had misgivings about. He didnt say too much, but his gaze just moved to the left to my fuselage. Now, why would he have done that......? I dont know if its the Pietenpol that draws Good People together, or if its Good People that decide to build Pietenpols. Either way, and as always, I had two great evenings with fellow builders.... Gary Still in Cool Working on wings ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Markle Palooza
Date: May 29, 2011
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Subject: Flew it today
From: "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com>
Date: May 29, 2011
Howdy, flew the Piet today.Still alive.Not exactly what I had expected but it was fun.dave -------- taking to hangar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341406#341406 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 29, 2011
From: Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Flew it today
Great! Can you elaborate? ________________________________ From: Dangerous Dave <dsornbor(at)aol.com> Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 6:16:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flew it today Howdy, flew the Piet today.Still alive.Not exactly what I had expected but it was fun.dave -------- taking to hangar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341406#341406 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flew it today
From: "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com>
Date: May 29, 2011
elaboration,=there was a fairly large amount of p effect on takeoff combined with about 7mph direct crosswind from the left.got it straightened out and made it into the air.climbed out at 60-65 to 500 agl,made four left hand laps around the field checking out input response.nothing steep just gentle turns,even at 864 empty it is very light and affected by every little thermal gust or anything,always controllable though,made a couple of right hand circles and no difference,setup on a long approach at 55-60 and got it on the ground,the 7 mph crosswind pushed me to the left pretty easily but we lived.gonna extend my gear forward 5" and put some gap seals on the ailerons.cant give any advice at this point or probably for quite a while.all I can say is there were no excessive inputs required and a littler engine up here would not be a good idea.dave http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhAoobvoN10&feature=player_detailpage -------- taking to hangar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341419#341419 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 29, 2011
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma....
I know no one will believe this so I've attached pictures .....I cut some 1/16" ply and started covering the remaining wing panel LE today. And did a bunch of sanding.... That was fun.....REALLY fun. I've also attached a picture of a VERY simple way to do the TE...used my biscuit joiner to make grooves in the TE of the ribs and ran the TE material across the table saw a couple extra times to make a tongue. Slipped the tongue into the rib groove then used a small router with a laminate trimmer bit to clean up any of the tongue on the TE material that wasn't inserted into the rib. Very simple, quick and strong. Thanks Gary. Jim in Pryor ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flew it today
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Date: May 29, 2011
Congratulations Dave. really a special day. I am envious. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341428#341428 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2011
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma....
Hi Jim, How did you cut the recess in the top of the leading edge for the 1/16" plywood? The trailing edge treatment looks good. Missed seeing all of you at Chris and Garys. thanks, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 29, 2011
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma....
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Date: May 29, 2011
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma....
Well Jim we missed you too! Both evenings were great! If you look close at the picture you'll notice the LE material was initially shaped by 4 saw cuts. I just ran a square piece through the table saw a couple times, tilting the blade a bit each time. Then on the last cut I left the angle alone and lowered the blade down to about 1/4" height and moved the material over 1/16". Then made that last cut. Pretty simple and the final shaping is almost done. Hopefully that makes sense. If not, I would be glad to take some pictures.... JM -----Original Message----- From: Jim Boyer Sent: May 29, 2011 9:51 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... Hi Jim, How did you cut the recess in the top of the leading edge for the 1/16" plywood? The trailing edge treatment looks good. Missed seeing all of you at Chris and Garys. thanks, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma....
Date: May 29, 2011
Jim, You need to come to California a little more often (I've replaced the drill bits)! Nice to see you back at it... I like your idea of trimming the tongue on the TE...I'll do the same! Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 6:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... I know no one will believe this so I've attached pictures .....I cut some 1/16" ply and started covering the remaining wing panel LE today. And did a bunch of sanding.... That was fun.....REALLY fun. I've also attached a picture of a VERY simple way to do the TE...used my biscuit joiner to make grooves in the TE of the ribs and ran the TE material across the table saw a couple extra times to make a tongue. Slipped the tongue into the rib groove then used a small router with a laminate trimmer bit to clean up any of the tongue on the TE material that wasn't inserted into the rib. Very simple, quick and strong. Thanks Gary. Jim in Pryor ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma....
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 30, 2011
I attempted to do the tongue in groove method, but my attempt didn't work out so well... I ended up filling the grooves back in an ripping my TE to fit. Yours looks nice Jim! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341440#341440 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2011
From: Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: first flight
Dave-saw your video on the website. glad you did OK. I forget what you're using for an engine and what verson you built. but I am at 3280ft. elevation here in the Texas panhandle and the take-off in mine doesn't excite me too much even with the 100 plus HP ( suposedly) Corvair and about 768# empty weight. th under-camber wing does fine flying and lands pretty good. I have about 6 flights on it now and have grounded it till I get the ailerons stiffened up. I am glueing some stiffeners in them right now but have taken a 2 week job down in south west Texas so that is on hold for a while. I'll be leaving for Coyanosa this afternoon.it hit 105 here yesterday with 45 mph winds and lots of grassfires. so the Texas panhandle has not been a Piet friendly place for a long time.I am just interested in why you need to move your gear forward? what kind of empty tail weight did you end up with on your W&B& what kind of engine do you have? Raymond ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2011
From: Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: first flight
Sent to me, forwarded for Raymond. ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 8:49:19 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: first flight Dave-saw your video on the website. glad you did OK. I forget what you're using for an engine and what verson you built. but I am at 3280ft. elevation here in the Texas panhandle and the take-off in mine doesn't excite me too much even with the 100 plus HP ( suposedly) Corvair and about 768# empty weight. th under-camber wing does fine flying and lands pretty good. I have about 6 flights on it now and have grounded it till I get the ailerons stiffened up. I am glueing some stiffeners in them right now but have taken a 2 week job down in south west Texas so that is on hold for a while. I'll be leaving for Coyanosa this afternoon.it hit 105 here yesterday with 45 mph winds and lots of grassfires. so the Texas panhandle has not been a Piet friendly place for a long time.I am just interested in why you need to move your gear forward? what kind of empty tail weight did you end up with on your W&B& what kind of engine do you have? Raymond ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: first flight
From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 30, 2011
strange? I addressed that message to Dave and it went to the list? guess it doesn't matter but seemed odd? guess it's another reason you better not send anything on the computer you don't want the world to see. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341462#341462 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Tongue and groove trailing edge
Date: May 30, 2011
Mark, I found that the tongue and groove method was difficult, too, and classify mine as barely acceptable. Chris Tracy's, though, and Jim's, look to be first class. All things considered...I think I would follow the plans next time. Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 12:34 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... I attempted to do the tongue in groove method, but my attempt didn't work out so well... I ended up filling the grooves back in an ripping my TE to fit. Yours looks nice Jim! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341440#341440 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: tank sealant
Date: May 30, 2011
Gene, where did you get the automotive sloshing sealer? Is it available most everywhere? What type of construction did you use? Would that sealer work with a fiberglas tank? Thanks, Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo To: pietenpol-list Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:45 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tank sealant Douwe, what is wrong with sealing it on the INSIDE with sloshing sealer? I have always used it and swear by it. They make an automotive sloshing sealer that is alcohol-proof for todays autofuel that I am putting in my tank. If you are only going avgas, the aviation sealer works great. I have heard horror stories, but have never had any trouble at all with it. A little lacquer thinner sloshed around first, air dry it with compressed air, and slosh the inside with the sealer. I have cut one of my tanks open and you could not scrape the sealer off with a razor blade. Proseal is so thick, I don't think you will be very happy trying to brush it on, and it wil look like hell. Gene ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: tank sealant Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 15:00:52 -0400 Hey all, My aluminum tank is pretty much done. I THINK I got all the leaks as it won=92t leak with fuel under pressure, but=85 Just to be completely sure, I=92m going to seal the seams on the outside and wondered what would be a good sealant that I could brush on. A friend used something like proseal and said it worked great, but I=92m wondering if that is too thick to brush. Any thoughts?? Douwe st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Markle Palooza
Date: May 30, 2011
Speaking of California, I'm sitting in Room 107 of the Econo Lodge in Fallbrook, California typing this. About halfway to our new home in Oregon, so far so good. No airplane with me this time though. Boy was I shocked to see a Tri-Pacer taking off in about 30-35 MPH gusty winds from an airpark somewhere around Eloy, Arizona yesterday. In the Piet, I would have been worried about having enough fuel to return to the field after turning downwind ;o) The Econo Lodge in Fallbrook is very close to the airport here... I saw what I thought was a Mooney Mite landing yesterday but it was probably my eyes deceiving me. And they say that the Fallbrook airport is sort of like a carrier deck... on a mesa with dropoffs at both ends. Jim: all of my tools are still in Texas and the hangar is locked, so don't bother coming up to visit or hunt for tools until I get everything moved to Oregon ;o) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" San Antonio, TX (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon) website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Movin on
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 30, 2011
Yeah John.. You're welcome to help with the move. I'm in Garland,TX.. Lancaster is only 30 minute drive south of my house. You'll find me in row 860. Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341497#341497 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: KLNC vs KLNS
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 30, 2011
heh heh... I was wondering when someone would catch that. It's just southeast of Dallas. I'm in europe on a trip at the moment..can't wait to move it down there. Looks like a nice little airport..just wish it were a grass strip, but I'll take what I can get. Hangar space is scarce in that neck of the woods.. Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341499#341499 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Sloshing sealer- automotive and aircraft
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: May 30, 2011
Charles, I saw both types of tank sealer for sale from ACS. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sloshing sealer- automotive and aircraft
From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net>
Date: May 30, 2011
Although I haven't checked recently, I would presume someplace like J.C. Whitney Automotive would probably carry slosh-type automotive gas tank sealer. I purchased some from them about 20 years ago when I was restoring my 1967 Ford Fairlane 500's gas tank. I would be worth a look in one of their catalogs or on their website to see if they still have it available. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341513#341513 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tongue and groove trailing edge
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 30, 2011
Yep, I thought it would serve to make for easy alignment and installation, and it would have if I were as skilled as Jim is on the table saw. Oh well, I didn't have to scrap any parts, just modified existing material to fit. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341515#341515 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sloshing sealer- automotive and aircraft
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: May 30, 2011
Like this maybe: http://www.jcwhitney.com/gas-tank-sealer-1-quart/p2000794.jcwx?filterid=j1 Phew, that was difficult. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341516#341516 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Racked & Stacked
Date: May 30, 2011
They=99re not quite done, but I made HUGE headway on the wings this weekend!! Remembering deceased vets: Grandfather (USN, served in two WW=99s), USN, father, father-in-law (USMC, Silver Star, Battle of Tawara), 5 uncles... Gary in Cool ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2011
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Movin on
Larry, If you haven't already, be sure to look up DL Grammont at Lancaster. He bought a Pietenpol about 7-8 years ago and kept it in the new (then) hangars at the south end. He was in the next to the last row I think, his hangar faced south. Also, go by the CAF hangar next time it's open and see if Tom Travis is around. He lives over in the Farmers Branch area, is active with the CAF and is building a Pietenpol. And he's a great guy. Jim in Pryor -----Original Message----- >From: TriScout <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> >Sent: May 30, 2011 12:47 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Movin on > > >Yeah John.. > >You're welcome to help with the move. I'm in Garland,TX.. Lancaster is only 30 minute drive south of my house. You'll find me in row 860. Larry > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341497#341497 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sloshing sealer- automotive and aircraft
From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net>
Date: May 30, 2011
Thanks for posting the link to that, Bill. I would have done that, but my wife was rushing me out of the house earlier to head out to a cookout with some friends from church. Had to do what I had to do in order to maintain domestic tranquility... -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341549#341549 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2011
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 05/29/11
From: Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com>
Jim Markle, For some reason I am not seeing your attached pix of work on Le ply or your TE wood. Pls re-send or send me an email directly. Thanks, Tim in central TX > ________________________________ Message 11 > ____________________________________ > > > From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... > > I know no one will believe this so I've attached pictures .....I cut some > 1/16" > ply and started covering the remaining wing panel LE today. > > And did a bunch of sanding.... > > That was fun.....REALLY fun. > > I've also attached a picture of a VERY simple way to do the TE...used my > biscuit > joiner to make grooves in the TE of the ribs and ran the TE material across > the table saw a couple extra times to make a tongue. Slipped the tongue > into > the rib groove then used a small router with a laminate trimmer bit to > clean up > any of the tongue on the TE material that wasn't inserted into the rib. > Very > simple, quick and strong. > > Thanks Gary. > > Jim in Pryor > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2011
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 05/29/11
Just sent directly to your personal email address. I added another section of 1/16" LE ply today but won't bore everyone with more pictures.... :-) -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Willis Sent: May 30, 2011 9:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 05/29/11 Jim Markle, For some reason I am not seeing your attached pix of work on Le ply or your TE wood. Pls re-send or send me an email directly. Thanks, Tim in central TX ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol project in Pryor Oklahoma.... I know no one will believe this so I've attached pictures .....I cut some 1/16" ply and started covering the remaining wing panel LE today. And did a bunch of sanding.... That was fun.....REALLY fun. I've also attached a picture of a VERY simple way to do the TE...used my biscuit joiner to make grooves in the TE of the ribs and ran the TE material across the table saw a couple extra times to make a tongue. Slipped the tongue into the rib groove then used a small router with a laminate trimmer bit to clean up any of the tongue on the TE material that wasn't inserted into the rib. Very simple, quick and strong. Thanks Gary. Jim in Pryor ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Racked & Stacked
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 30, 2011
Mt Great Uncle Tommy Karr was at Tarawa with 3rd Marine Division. Bloody Tarawa... what a deal that was. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341556#341556 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 05/29/11
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 30, 2011
Jim, two days in a row! So glad you found a little time to get in the shop and work on your project. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341557#341557 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A guy can get used to this own hangar business
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 30, 2011
Fun to be on the field, right John? The visitors are kind of a break even deal... most serve to educate and inspire, which also serves to keep the desire to build ramped up... but the trade off is that those inspiring conversations can, and often do kill several hours at a whack of perfect building weather... especially when beets are involved. I'm not complaining, I love visiting with the guys, but there are times that I open the hangar doors with a plan in mind and when I leave several hours later, the plan hasn't changed any. LOL! Oh well, glad you are enjoying your new digs! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341558#341558 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fraziar Lake
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: May 31, 2011
Hi Guys, Quick heads up. I will not be able to attend Fraziar Lake this year. I will miss it. Give everyone my best and see them next year. Work got in the way. Talk to you next week. Happy Landings, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341578#341578 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 31, 2011
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Movin on
Momentous occasion, John. Almost like the birth of a child and then having it move away from home. (sob sob) Caution! Not having it under foot (so to speak) will make it harder to keep up the build schedule. You will have to be very intentional about getting out there. Best wishes, Tom Stinemetze N328X >>> "amsafetyc(at)aol.com" 5/28/2011 7:54 AM >>> Well its finally happened its official, NX895JR has made the transition from basement folly "ship in a bottle" to her new home. Last night we slid her through the basement mandoor of her birthplace at 635 South Broad Street Lititz without incident or complication on to my trailer. After a short comfortable 4 mile ride we arrived at Lancaster airport LNS and moved her into her new home 5-5. Last night was her first night there with all those of her own kind, well remote winged relatives Rvs and such. No real family members on field though and none named Piet. Ill be going over soon to see how her first night went , first night with out people around to see how she did. John ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Just wonderin'
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: May 31, 2011
Rick, I'll be there. John -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341593#341593 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 31, 2011
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fraziar Lake
That's too bad Scott.- We'll miss you.- You'll have to make sure to com e next year!=0A=0AMike Groah=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matron ics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 5:45 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Fr tt.liefeld(at)lacity.org>=0A=0AHi Guys,=0A=0AQuick heads up.- I will not be able to attend Fraziar Lake this year.- I will miss it.- Give everyone my best and see them next year.- Work got in the way.- Talk to you next week.=0A=0AHappy Landings,=0A=0A--------=0AScott Liefeld=0AFlying N11MS si nce March 1972=0ASteel Tube=0AC-85-12=0AWire Wheels=0ABrodhead in 1996=0A =0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/v =- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle ======== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: tank sealant
Date: May 31, 2011
I just used POR15 on a couple of aluminum tanks. Be sure to order the cleaner and the metal prep along with the sealer (they sell a kit for this) Of course the tank has to be completely dry for the sealer to work properly, so I used a hair dryer with part of a water bottle taped on the front then 1" scat hose screwed on to the bottle. Run the hose all the way to the back of the tank and run for several hours with the heat off. This stuff works great and you order off their website, so they ship to your door. Google Por15 for their website. Barry NX973BP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:45 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tank sealant Douwe, what is wrong with sealing it on the INSIDE with sloshing sealer? I have always used it and swear by it. They make an automotive sloshing sealer that is alcohol-proof for todays autofuel that I am putting in my tank. If you are only going avgas, the aviation sealer works great. I have heard horror stories, but have never had any trouble at all with it. A little lacquer thinner sloshed around first, air dry it with compressed air, and slosh the inside with the sealer. I have cut one of my tanks open and you could not scrape the sealer off with a razor blade. Proseal is so thick, I don't think you will be very happy trying to brush it on, and it wil look like hell. Gene _____ From: douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: tank sealant Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 15:00:52 -0400 Hey all, My aluminum tank is pretty much done. I THINK I got all the leaks as it won't leak with fuel under pressure, but. Just to be completely sure, I'm going to seal the seams on the outside and wondered what would be a good sealant that I could brush on. A friend used something like proseal and said it worked great, but I'm wondering if that is too thick to brush. Any thoughts?? Douwe st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: tank sealant
Date: May 31, 2011
The POR15 website is: http://www.por15.com/ Barry _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:45 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tank sealant Douwe, what is wrong with sealing it on the INSIDE with sloshing sealer? I have always used it and swear by it. They make an automotive sloshing sealer that is alcohol-proof for todays autofuel that I am putting in my tank. If you are only going avgas, the aviation sealer works great. I have heard horror stories, but have never had any trouble at all with it. A little lacquer thinner sloshed around first, air dry it with compressed air, and slosh the inside with the sealer. I have cut one of my tanks open and you could not scrape the sealer off with a razor blade. Proseal is so thick, I don't think you will be very happy trying to brush it on, and it wil look like hell. Gene _____ From: douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: tank sealant Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 15:00:52 -0400 Hey all, My aluminum tank is pretty much done. I THINK I got all the leaks as it won't leak with fuel under pressure, but. Just to be completely sure, I'm going to seal the seams on the outside and wondered what would be a good sealant that I could brush on. A friend used something like proseal and said it worked great, but I'm wondering if that is too thick to brush. Any thoughts?? Douwe st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Racked & Stacked
Date: May 31, 2011
looking great Gary=2C you will be passing us up if you keep this pace. See you this weekend at Frazier Lake. Bring photos. Vic do not achive From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: Racked & Stacked Date: Mon=2C 30 May 2011 17:34:21 -0700 They=92re not quite done=2C but I made HUGE headway on the wings this weeke nd!! Remembering deceased vets: Grandfather (USN=2C served in two WW=92s)=2C USN =2C father=2C father-in-law (USMC=2C Silver Star=2C Battle of Tawara)=2C 5 uncles... Gary in Cool ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 31, 2011
Subject: Re: Flew it today
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
What kind of prop do you have on the engine? That was....a less than enthusiastic departure, shall we say. Even at 864 empty, with over 100 HP and only the pilot she should perform far better than that.... On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Dangerous Dave wrote: > > elaboration,=there was a fairly large amount of p effect on takeoff > combined with about 7mph direct crosswind from the left.got it straightened > out and made it into the air.climbed out at 60-65 to 500 agl,made four left > hand laps around the field checking out input response.nothing steep just > gentle turns,even at 864 empty it is very light and affected by every little > thermal gust or anything,always controllable though,made a couple of right > hand circles and no difference,setup on a long approach at 55-60 and got it > on the ground,the 7 mph crosswind pushed me to the left pretty easily but we > lived.gonna extend my gear forward 5" and put some gap seals on the > ailerons.cant give any advice at this point or probably for quite a > while.all I can say is there were no excessive inputs required and a littler > engine up here would not be a good idea.dave > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhAoobvoN10&feature=player_detailpage > > -------- > taking to hangar > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341419#341419 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 31, 2011
Subject: Re: Flew it today
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
I thought Dave's numbers looked pretty good. Based on the info from Weather Underground, the density altitude at Platte Valley for 11:00 local time on Sunday morning was 7022 feet. That is based on a field elevation of 4965', temp of 62, dew point of 51, and a barometric pressure of 29.45". Obviously, the specific conditions might have been modestly different, but anywhere in that vicinity is a fairly high density altitude even for an engine putting out a nominal (sea level) 100 horse power. I'd be delighted to get that sort of performance someday from mine under equivalent conditions. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > What kind of prop do you have on the engine? That was....a less than > enthusiastic departure, shall we say. Even at 864 empty, with over 100 HP > and only the pilot she should perform far better than that.... > > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Dangerous Dave wrote: >> >> >> elaboration,=there was a fairly large amount of p effect on takeoff >> combined with about 7mph direct crosswind from the left.got it straightened >> out and made it into the air.climbed out at 60-65 to 500 agl,made four left >> hand laps around the field checking out input response.nothing steep just >> gentle turns,even at 864 empty it is very light and affected by every little >> thermal gust or anything,always controllable though,made a couple of right >> hand circles and no difference,setup on a long approach at 55-60 and got it >> on the ground,the 7 mph crosswind pushed me to the left pretty easily but we >> lived.gonna extend my gear forward 5" and put some gap seals on the >> ailerons.cant give any advice at this point or probably for quite a >> while.all I can say is there were no excessive inputs required and a littler >> engine up here would not be a good idea.dave >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhAoobvoN10&feature=player_detailpage >> >> -------- >> taking to hangar >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341419#341419 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flew it today
From: "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com>
Date: May 31, 2011
Ryan.Kens right.all the factors he stated are correct except it was 71 degrees.I have a sensenich 76AK-2-44 on it.static at 2300.it definitly got off faster than my 120.my teqnique probably was part of it.lots of rust.it should have 223hp at sea level and 2800rpm.Im think with all the factors closer to 85-90 that day.dave -------- taking to hangar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341651#341651 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flew it today
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 31, 2011
Congrats Dave..... It's now an airplane and is no longer just a project...! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341653#341653 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Just wonderin'
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: May 31, 2011
I wish they would get me more information about the times, parts and tools needed and some kind of agenda. I am assuming it starts friday morning at 8? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341654#341654 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Movin on
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 31, 2011
Thanks Jim... Got it! DL Grammont and Tom Travis. I will definately do that! Speaking of CAP, My hangar row will have me taxiing right past the CAP hanger whenever I go flying. I'll have to pop in there... Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341655#341655 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Flew it today
Date: May 31, 2011
If he's going to move the landing gear forward 5 inches it's STILL a project! ----- Original Message ----- From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:12 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flew it today > > > Congrats Dave..... It's now an airplane and is no longer just a > project...! > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341653#341653 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Corvair Engine Update
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: May 31, 2011
While I was flying in January, Fat Bottomed Girl ate an exhaust valve. With the plane down hard I took the opportunity to add the 5th bearing. I've already mentioned all this. This is what I've learned in the process of making the repairs/changes: - The state-of-the-art valve job has given me another 100 rpm. Nothing else changed except for adding the 5th bearing, - Installing the 5th bearing was fussy. The Wesemans were great. Nice people and great support. So far it seems to work fine. I'm hoping I didn't screw up the install! Will know soon enough, - I have the stock oil pan and it has always had a small leak at the back. Now I have a small leak at the front where the new front cover attaches. Not much oil but messy. I'm trying to solve that. - I have better instrumentation now then I've ever had. One of the concerns with the 5th bearing is oil pressure. Some people install high volume pumps. Once I muddled through some gauge drama the pressure numbers proved to be in spec, though on the low end. - I actually know my oil temperature now. Not sure I had a good handle with the previous setup. It gets a little warm on extended climbs on these 100 degree days, but nothing unusual. Again, in spec. Central Tx has had an extremely windy spring. The weather called for winds gusting to less than 25 today so I played hooky and went and flew. 2.2 hours. Made me feel better. Been frustrating not flying for the past several months. Subject change & rant: I watch the corvaircraft list. I've posted or been mentioned there a handful of times. In all cases I've been met with deafening silence. Any responses I get are off list from my Piet friends. Ironically, a dude asked the same question today that I asked a few weeks ago. Silence for me, answers for him. Given that I've got more corvair flight time than probably 98% of the people on that list, that's pretty frustrating. My point? Piet people are great and I appreciate my friends here. At least you'll talk to me! Axel -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341657#341657 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A guy can get used to this own hangar business
From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Date: May 31, 2011
I knew I would regret not bringing my camera! It's REALLY there, I saw it! and that was BEFORE the beets! John, I'll have my camera next time! -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341661#341661 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 31, 2011
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Movin on
You'll DEFINITELY want to stop by! A VERY nice bunch of folks... I used to be a member of that CAF Chapter when I lived in the Dallas area and really miss getting to hang out with them. JM -----Original Message----- >From: TriScout <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> >Sent: May 31, 2011 5:32 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Movin on > > >Thanks Jim... > >Got it! DL Grammont and Tom Travis. I will definately do that! Speaking of CAP, My hangar row will have me taxiing right past the CAP hanger whenever I go flying. I'll have to pop in there... Larry > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341655#341655 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 31, 2011
Subject: Re: Corvair Engine Update
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Damn non-Piet people probably wouldn't even point you towards the closest pond. Ugh. Glad to hear Fat Bottomed Girl is once more winging her way through the Texas skies. I can definitely second the testimonial regarding the Wesemans....I've only emailed with Dan, but he was always good to deal with. I had the pleasure of meeting Rhonda and Jim at Brodhead....last year or the year before, and they were both very nice people. Maybe a light bead of RTV on the pan gasket? On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:45 PM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> > > While I was flying in January, Fat Bottomed Girl ate an exhaust valve. > With the plane down hard I took the opportunity to add the 5th bearing. > I've already mentioned all this. This is what I've learned in the process > of making the repairs/changes: > > - The state-of-the-art valve job has given me another 100 rpm. Nothing > else changed except for adding the 5th bearing, > - Installing the 5th bearing was fussy. The Wesemans were great. Nice > people and great support. So far it seems to work fine. I'm hoping I > didn't screw up the install! Will know soon enough, > - I have the stock oil pan and it has always had a small leak at the back. > Now I have a small leak at the front where the new front cover attaches. > Not much oil but messy. I'm trying to solve that. > - I have better instrumentation now then I've ever had. One of the > concerns with the 5th bearing is oil pressure. Some people install high > volume pumps. Once I muddled through some gauge drama the pressure numbers > proved to be in spec, though on the low end. > - I actually know my oil temperature now. Not sure I had a good handle > with the previous setup. It gets a little warm on extended climbs on these > 100 degree days, but nothing unusual. Again, in spec. > > Central Tx has had an extremely windy spring. The weather called for winds > gusting to less than 25 today so I played hooky and went and flew. 2.2 > hours. Made me feel better. Been frustrating not flying for the past > several months. > > Subject change & rant: I watch the corvaircraft list. I've posted or been > mentioned there a handful of times. In all cases I've been met with > deafening silence. Any responses I get are off list from my Piet friends. > Ironically, a dude asked the same question today that I asked a few weeks > ago. Silence for me, answers for him. Given that I've got more corvair > flight time than probably 98% of the people on that list, that's pretty > frustrating. My point? Piet people are great and I appreciate my friends > here. At least you'll talk to me! > > Axel > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341657#341657 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair Engine Update
From: Hans Van Der Voort <hvandervoo(at)aol.com>
Date: Jun 01, 2011
Kevin, Good to hear she is back in the air. Keep us update on your 5th bearing. My oil temp has always been in the 200 + range It hits 220 on extended climb outs But usually settles around 210. Nothing really alarming, I just read every where it should be around 185. Changed cauges last year, thinking it could be the cauge but both read the same. Then switched oil cooler bypass valve without effect. Removed oil cooler (folded fin) this winter and soaked and cleaned it multi ple times to remove any blockage. Altough some gunk was removed, oil temps are still in the 200+ range. All the while CHT's are in the 350 range even on hot 100+ days And oil pressure is good at 45 Psi. Oil remains relativly clean, not burned. Next step would be to remove rear assesory case and check gasket there, oil cooler could be being bypassed due to faulty gasket. Then again it could just be the normal oil temparature for hot Texas days. Hans NX15KV -----Original Message----- From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 5:48 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Update il> While I was flying in January, Fat Bottomed Girl ate an exhaust valve. Wit h the plane down hard I took the opportunity to add the 5th bearing. I've alread y mentioned all this. This is what I've learned in the process of making the repairs/changes: - The state-of-the-art valve job has given me another 100 rpm. Nothing els e changed except for adding the 5th bearing, - Installing the 5th bearing was fussy. The Wesemans were great. Nice peo ple and great support. So far it seems to work fine. I'm hoping I didn't scre w up the install! Will know soon enough, - I have the stock oil pan and it has always had a small leak at the back. Now I have a small leak at the front where the new front cover attaches. Not m uch oil but messy. I'm trying to solve that. - I have better instrumentation now then I've ever had. One of the concern s with the 5th bearing is oil pressure. Some people install high volume pump s. Once I muddled through some gauge drama the pressure numbers proved to be i n spec, though on the low end. - I actually know my oil temperature now. Not sure I had a good handle wit h the previous setup. It gets a little warm on extended climbs on these 100 degr ee days, but nothing unusual. Again, in spec. Central Tx has had an extremely windy spring. The weather called for winds gusting to less than 25 today so I played hooky and went and flew. 2.2 hou rs. Made me feel better. Been frustrating not flying for the past several mont hs. Subject change & rant: I watch the corvaircraft list. I've posted or been mentioned there a handful of times. In all cases I've been met with deafen ing silence. Any responses I get are off list from my Piet friends. Ironicall y, a dude asked the same question today that I asked a few weeks ago. Silence f or me, answers for him. Given that I've got more corvair flight time than pro bably 98% of the people on that list, that's pretty frustrating. My point? Piet people are great and I appreciate my friends here. At least you'll talk to me! Axel -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341657#341657 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair Engine Update
Date: Jun 01, 2011
Axel, glad to hear someone is using stock oil pan. I have been seriously considering going stock, also. Just wondering if oil temperature is any problem with the stock pan (less oil volume). Comments? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 11:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Update Damn non-Piet people probably wouldn't even point you towards the closest pond. Ugh. Glad to hear Fat Bottomed Girl is once more winging her way through the Texas skies. I can definitely second the testimonial regarding the Wesemans....I've only emailed with Dan, but he was always good to deal with. I had the pleasure of meeting Rhonda and Jim at Brodhead....last year or the year before, and they were both very nice people. Maybe a light bead of RTV on the pan gasket? On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:45 PM, kevinpurtee wrote: While I was flying in January, Fat Bottomed Girl ate an exhaust valve. With the plane down hard I took the opportunity to add the 5th bearing. I've already mentioned all this. This is what I've learned in the process of making the repairs/changes: - The state-of-the-art valve job has given me another 100 rpm. Nothing else changed except for adding the 5th bearing, - Installing the 5th bearing was fussy. The Wesemans were great. Nice people and great support. So far it seems to work fine. I'm hoping I didn't screw up the install! Will know soon enough, - I have the stock oil pan and it has always had a small leak at the back. Now I have a small leak at the front where the new front cover attaches. Not much oil but messy. I'm trying to solve that. - I have better instrumentation now then I've ever had. One of the concerns with the 5th bearing is oil pressure. Some people install high volume pumps. Once I muddled through some gauge drama the pressure numbers proved to be in spec, though on the low end. - I actually know my oil temperature now. Not sure I had a good handle with the previous setup. It gets a little warm on extended climbs on these 100 degree days, but nothing unusual. Again, in spec. Central Tx has had an extremely windy spring. The weather called for winds gusting to less than 25 today so I played hooky and went and flew. 2.2 hours. Made me feel better. Been frustrating not flying for the past several months. Subject change & rant: I watch the corvaircraft list. I've posted or been mentioned there a handful of times. In all cases I've been met with deafening silence. Any responses I get are off list from my Piet friends. Ironically, a dude asked the same question today that I asked a few weeks ago. Silence for me, answers for him. Given that I've got more corvair flight time than probably 98% of the people on that list, that's pretty frustrating. My point? Piet people are great and I appreciate my friends here. At least you'll talk to me! Axel -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341657#341657 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2011
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair Engine Update
Hey Kevin, What do you mean by the 5th bearing install was fussey? My install went well except for the mistake I made in removing the spacers from the hybrid studs too soon. I had to do the runout setup of the hub twice because of that; and then I forgot to put the locktite on the three hub screws so had to remove the prop hub and remove one screw at a time to add locktite. Clearances are all fine and it really makes the front support of the crank substantial. Hope to see you at Brodhead. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2011
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Shes got legs - again
Well, all my cussin' of Ryan Mueller and William Wynne is over as SpaceShipZero.One is back up on it's feet as can be seen in the attached photo. Axles now moved significantly forward from the previous photos. I wheeled it out with the intent of driving it to work this morning but the darn Corvair wouldn't start. I did hear a couple of distinct VROOM VROOM's though. Note the big rotors and Honda hydralic brake calipers. Gotta have a lot of holding power to reign in that mighty Corvair (eventually.) I will NOT show you any close ups of my welds or paint job - I have more pride in what I want my work to look like than that. I did get a little practice with my new paint sprayer and multi-part Poly Fiber metal primer. (and obviously need a lot more practice) On good advice all my new metal parts will be primed white as this will make the final color coats match the fabric areas better. Life is good! Tom Stinemetze N328X ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Shes got legs - again
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 01, 2011
AWESOME...... I've got all those LG parts yet to build so I'm envious...! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341749#341749 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2011
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Piet Alternate
Now that the Piet is nearing the point where I can almost imagine the light at the end of the tunnel, I am starting to wonder what my next project might be. I came across a photo of this little beauty and had to say... Hummmmm! I could do that. Disclaimer: I have no idea where this photo came from or whether or not it has been photoshoped. Stinemetze N328X ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2011
Subject: Re: Piet Alternate
From: Matt Wash <mattwash(at)mattwash.com>
It's a Pouchel, the French Flying Ladder! http://www.pouchel.com/english/index_eng.php?p=pou_light_eng.html ~Matt On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 1:27 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > *Now that the Piet is nearing the point where I can almost imagine the > light at the end of the tunnel, I am starting to wonder what my next project > might be. I came across a photo of this little beauty and had to say... > Hummmmm! I could do that. Disclaimer: I have no idea where this photo > came from or whether or not it has been photoshoped.* > ** > *Stinemetze* > *N328X* > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2011
Subject: Re: Piet Alternate
From: Gerry Holland <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
Methinks thee is too harsh John! What style that you can climb down your own fuselage when lodged in a tree after an I=B9m sure aborted take off. All those longerons, cross member and ribs....what a waste of time when you could have used a ladder! Regards Gerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair Engine Update
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jun 01, 2011
Ryan - Yeah, there's *a little* bead of RTV around the oil pan... I've redone that thing 6 times now. Maybe that's why they won't talk to me on corvaircraft. Hans - I think it's just really freakin' hot, as you know, since you live an hour east. It hit 230 on an extended climb yesterday. I was intentionally climbing hard and slow. Cruise floats around 210. CHTs are steady at 350 max. Oil PSI is steady 38 when she's warm. I bounced those numbers off WW and he didn't object. They also jive pretty close with Dan Weseman's recommendations. Chuck - I think the oil temperature is high because it's 100+ degrees in central TX. If I had not built the engine and mount prior to the availability of the high volume oil pan, I would have used the high volume oil pan and modified the mount to accommodate. It wasn't an option at the time. Jim - I had trouble getting the hub dialed in until I figured out the correct technique. It's entirely possible that I'm simply an idiot (another reason they don't talk to me on corvaircraft). BTW: I will happily share what I learned in that process with anyone who's installing a DW 5th bearing. Call me. With God's permission, Jim, I will indeed see you at Brodhead. Thank you all for talking to me. I'm sensitive. Love, Axel -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341768#341768 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair Engine Update
Date: Jun 01, 2011
Kevin: I'm interested in your oil system trials and tribulations. I can't remember what you were using for an oil cooler. My current plan is to go with a stock 12 plate cooler in the stock location. I was also going to go with a stock oil pan or maybe modify a stock oil pan to hold more. Since I am going to CC 20 in a couple of days I may just opt for a custom one from WW. As for your oil temp sending unit, where did you mount it? Regards, Rick Schreiber > [Original Message] > From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> > To: > Date: 6/1/2011 3:29:01 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Engine Update > > > Ryan - Yeah, there's *a little* bead of RTV around the oil pan... I've redone that thing 6 times now. Maybe that's why they won't talk to me on corvaircraft. > > Hans - I think it's just really freakin' hot, as you know, since you live an hour east. It hit 230 on an extended climb yesterday. I was intentionally climbing hard and slow. Cruise floats around 210. CHTs are steady at 350 max. Oil PSI is steady 38 when she's warm. I bounced those numbers off WW and he didn't object. They also jive pretty close with Dan Weseman's recommendations. > > Chuck - I think the oil temperature is high because it's 100+ degrees in central TX. If I had not built the engine and mount prior to the availability of the high volume oil pan, I would have used the high volume oil pan and modified the mount to accommodate. It wasn't an option at the time. > > Jim - I had trouble getting the hub dialed in until I figured out the correct technique. It's entirely possible that I'm simply an idiot (another reason they don't talk to me on corvaircraft). BTW: I will happily share what I learned in that process with anyone who's installing a DW 5th bearing. Call me. With God's permission, Jim, I will indeed see you at Brodhead. > > Thank you all for talking to me. I'm sensitive. > > Love, > Axel > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341768#341768 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2011
From: Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Piet Alternate
On 06/01/2011 02:27 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > ... Disclaimer: I have no idea where this > photo came from or whether or not it has been photoshoped.* I believe that Pouchel, an ultralight Flying Flea variant, was built by Gary Gower, in Mexico. It is now powered by a Rotax 447, rather than than that half-VW, and he says it climbs out very well from a strip at 5,000 ASL. He weighs 155 lb and believes it would comfortably carry someone 30 lb heavier. The wing structures also are made from aluminum ladders. No need to snicker. Calculations and experience say they are sturdy as all get-out. If you are really interested, it may be available eventually. Gary is now building an HM.380 Flying Flea. [Insert smiley here.] Owen ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair Engine Update
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jun 01, 2011
Hi Rick - I use a 12 plate cooler. I don't think I have a temperature problem, but I'm pretty sure I had a temperature measuring problem. The oil temp sender was originally installed in the stock oil filter mount thingy. I replaced that with WW's gold oil system oil filter adapter to provide a pressure source to feed oil to the 5th bearing. A side benefit is that my oil pressure and temp instrumentation is much better. I ran into a problem with oil pressure sensing last week. WW and Matt Wash (a lurker on this list) advised me to T in a mechanical gauge and rule out the failure of my electrical gauge. They were right - my electric gauge failed. I've since replaced it and the new one jives with the mechanical gauge and reads the way you would expect it to. I think WW's oil pan is the way to go. It provides a much nicer sealing surface as compared to my 47 year old oil pan/skid plate. I'm surprised the thing seals as well as it does. I wish I could go to CC20. That'll be money in the bank for you, I'm sure. Hope this helps. Kevin -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341778#341778 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair Engine Update
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Date: Jun 01, 2011
Kevin, There is a product LOCTITE-515 that I used to seal the crankcase on my Lycoming O-235. It seals metal to metal with no gasket. It is approved by Lycoming per Service Instruction No. 1125D. It might work on your fussy oil pan. I made a sample from aluminum scraps and it really bonded good. I was impressed. LOCTITE 515 cures when confined in the absence of air between close fitting metal surfaces. It seals close fitting joints between rigid metal faces and flanges and will flex with minor flange movements. Directions for use 1. For best performance bond surfaces should be clean and free from grease 2. The product is designed for close fitting flanged parts with gaps up to 0.25 mm 3. Apply manually as a continuous bead or by screen printing to one surface of the flanges 4. Low pressures ( -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341781#341781 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair Engine Update
Date: Jun 01, 2011
Kevin, I have ordered the Weseman 5th bearing and it should be coming any day now. Dan's dad did the black hub and I got it back last week. When the time comes I'll surely give you a call. I think the advice of someone who has already accomplished the job will be very welcome. Of course, I understand that Dan is very helpful when you need it. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 4:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Engine Update > > > Ryan - Yeah, there's *a little* bead of RTV around the oil pan... I've > redone that thing 6 times now. Maybe that's why they won't talk to me on > corvaircraft. > > Hans - I think it's just really freakin' hot, as you know, since you live > an hour east. It hit 230 on an extended climb yesterday. I was > intentionally climbing hard and slow. Cruise floats around 210. CHTs are > steady at 350 max. Oil PSI is steady 38 when she's warm. I bounced those > numbers off WW and he didn't object. They also jive pretty close with Dan > Weseman's recommendations. > > Chuck - I think the oil temperature is high because it's 100+ degrees in > central TX. If I had not built the engine and mount prior to the > availability of the high volume oil pan, I would have used the high volume > oil pan and modified the mount to accommodate. It wasn't an option at the > time. > > Jim - I had trouble getting the hub dialed in until I figured out the > correct technique. It's entirely possible that I'm simply an idiot > (another reason they don't talk to me on corvaircraft). BTW: I will > happily share what I learned in that process with anyone who's installing > a DW 5th bearing. Call me. With God's permission, Jim, I will indeed see > you at Brodhead. > > Thank you all for talking to me. I'm sensitive. > > Love, > Axel > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341768#341768 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Shes got legs - again
Date: Jun 01, 2011
Tom congratulations on the gear redo! It looks great and I know the determination it took to do it right. Way to go! Jack DSM _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shes got legs - again Well, all my cussin' of Ryan Mueller and William Wynne is over as SpaceShipZero.One is back up on it's feet as can be seen in the attached photo. Axles now moved significantly forward from the previous photos. I wheeled it out with the intent of driving it to work this morning but the darn Corvair wouldn't start. I did hear a couple of distinct VROOM VROOM's though. Note the big rotors and Honda hydralic brake calipers. Gotta have a lot of holding power to reign in that mighty Corvair (eventually.) I will NOT show you any close ups of my welds or paint job - I have more pride in what I want my work to look like than that. I did get a little practice with my new paint sprayer and multi-part Poly Fiber metal primer. (and obviously need a lot more practice) On good advice all my new metal parts will be primed white as this will make the final color coats match the fabric areas better. Life is good! Tom Stinemetze N328X ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2011
From: Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Piet Alternate
On 06/01/2011 05:21 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > *The manufacturer of the ladders that were used initially became aware > of their use as airplane parts and refused to sell any more. Sound > familiar?* Try buying a Gates Poly Chain belt for an aircraft redrive. Absolutely suitable for the purpose, but last I knew you had to claim they were for some industrial use in order to lay hands on one. Hardly anyone wants the liability exposure carried by use of their products in an airplane. It doesn't say anything about the engineering of the Pouchel or the airworthiness of the Flying Flea in general. Owen ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "javier cruz" <javcr(at)prodigy.net.mx>
Subject: Re: Piet Alternate
Date: Jun 01, 2011
Hi Piets... nice to see that there are to many friends on the list... About this picture, i don't sure but it looks like the Gary Gower'plane from Chapala Mexico, maybe he still (like me) is monitoring the list . Good Landings Javier cruz ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2011
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Corvair Engine Update
Glad to hear your up and flying Kevin.- I am waiting on some parts for th e annual and should be flying by sunday or monday.- Our pan leaks at the rear end also, we had a stock pan, now a Wynne pan and same leak, if I get bored enough one day I will take it off and put some rtv and a new gasket o n there, it only leaks when the oil warms up due to running the engine, or even hot 90+ degree days the ambient temp thins the oil enough to leak out. - Just a nusiance not really a big deal. - Happy Flying Shad --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Ryan Mueller wrote: From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Update Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 11:52 PM Damn non-Piet people probably wouldn't even point you towards the closest p ond. Ugh. Glad to hear Fat Bottomed Girl is once more winging her way through the Tex as skies. I can definitely second the testimonial regarding the Wesemans... .I've only emailed with Dan, but he was always good to deal with. I had the pleasure of meeting Rhonda and Jim at Brodhead....last year or the year be fore, and they were both very nice people. Maybe a light bead of RTV on the pan gasket? On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 5:45 PM, kevinpurtee wro te: il> While I was flying in January, Fat Bottomed Girl ate an exhaust valve. -W ith the plane down hard I took the opportunity to add the 5th bearing. -I 've already mentioned all this. -This is what I've learned in the process of making the repairs/changes: - The state-of-the-art valve job has given me another 100 rpm. -Nothing e lse changed except for adding the 5th bearing, - Installing the 5th bearing was fussy. -The Wesemans were great. -Nice people and great support. -So far it seems to work fine. -I'm hoping I didn't screw up the install! -Will know soon enough, - I have the stock oil pan and it has always had a small leak at the back. -Now I have a small leak at the front where the new front cover attaches. -Not much oil but messy. -I'm trying to solve that. - I have better instrumentation now then I've ever had. -One of the conce rns with the 5th bearing is oil pressure. -Some people install high volum e pumps. -Once I muddled through some gauge drama the pressure numbers pr oved to be in spec, though on the low end. - I actually know my oil temperature now. -Not sure I had a good handle w ith the previous setup. -It gets a little warm on extended climbs on thes e 100 degree days, but nothing unusual. -Again, in spec. Central Tx has had an extremely windy spring. -The weather called for win ds gusting to less than 25 today so I played hooky and went and flew. -2. 2 hours. -Made me feel better. -Been frustrating not flying for the pas t several months. Subject change & rant: I watch the corvaircraft list. -I've posted or bee n mentioned there a handful of times. -In all cases I've been met with de afening silence. -Any responses I get are off list from my Piet friends. -Ironically, a dude asked the same question today that I asked a few week s ago. -Silence for me, answers for him. -Given that I've got more corv air flight time than probably 98% of the people on that list, that's pretty frustrating. -My point? -Piet people are great and I appreciate my fri ends here. -At least you'll talk to me! Axel -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341657#341657 st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 02, 2011
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Corvair Engine Update
There are a lot of things we work with that tend to stick to skin and leave visible traces for a long time. Recently I was priviledged to be able to take the EAA Sportair workshop on fabric covering. This yielded some very valuable information, not the least of which was how to protect your hands during the preping and painting process. Our instructor introduced us to a product called "Invisible Gloves" which you put on like hand cream and it eventually just seems to disappear, leaving a protective barrier on your skin which is proof against all sorts of nasty things like Acetone and MEK. When you are all done it washes off with soap and water. Best part, it does not affect your sense of touch at all. Sticky things like Poly Brush still stick to you but can then be pealed off or washed off. I have not been able to find the stuff locally but it is available from Aircraft Spruce at a very reasonable cost. Tom Stinemetze >>> Gene Rambo 6/1/2011 5:52 PM >>> It WILL seal fuel, oil, and anything else you want, and it has sealed leaks where nothing else would work. Beware, if you get it on clothes, it will never come off (it barely comes off of skin). ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair Engine Update
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Date: Jun 02, 2011
Gene the I was talking about is approved for crankcase assembly on all Lycoming engines with no gasket at all. I was not implying that it should be used as a gasket sealant although I know a diesel truck shop that uses it to seal joints in transmissions and differentials in lieu of gaskets. The Permatex Form-A-Gasket is a good product. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341847#341847 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Permatex?
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 02, 2011
Gene Rambo, What is the product number and name of that gooy gasket sealant that you we re recommending? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
From: "lowell23(at)msn.com" <lowell23(at)msn.com>
Date: Jun 02, 2011
Hi Everybody, I have my fuselage jig ready, and my shipment from Aircraft Spruce has arrived with both the spruce and plywood kits. I see that the gussets are made from 1/8" plywood, but noticed the plywood kit doesn't come with that size. Am I missing something (highly likely), or do I just need to order some 1/8" (just as likely)? On a side note - this just kind of happened when I was making blocks for the jig... Thank you, Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341863#341863 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011_04_23_155122_243.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jun 02, 2011
Order 1/8" ply. You may want to let the vendor know that either their kit is incomplete or your shipment is incomplete. i LOVE jenga!!! Kevin -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341866#341866 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jun 02, 2011
Well, I was puzzled when you referred to the "plywood kit". So I took a look at the ACS website, and found what I assume you ordered. Yowza - $1100 worth of plywood sheets! I guess the most important thing is that disclaimer at the bottom, where ACS says to refer to the plans and verify sizes and quantities prior to ordering. How did the list maker come up with 5 full sheets of 1/16" ply? (I calculate one and a half sheets for the whole plane) And why is one sheet mahogany, and the other four Birch? And where did the 3/32" ply thickness come from? The only place that I can recall seeing 3/32" ply called for in the plans is for some spacers in the 3-piece wing (maybe a couple of square feet). In the Pietenpol plans, the fuselage sides and gussets, and seatbacks and panels and empennage gussets all call for 1/8" ply - not 3/32". And what's the half sheet of 1/4" marine ply for? Makes me wonder what aircraft that plywood list is actually for. I seem to recall hearing something about some wood kits actually being suited more to the GN-1 than the "real" Air Camper. I haven't seen GN-1 plans, so I can't say if that's the case. Once again, it seems that it's always a good idea to work out the materials list on your own, rather than trusting someone else's quantities. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341882#341882 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/acs_ply_kit_125.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: Jun 02, 2011
...And thereby explaining why one would use locally purchased Poplar, plywood, hickory and fir. I have about $700 invested in ALL my wood, including hickory struts and gear and hickory prop. Now, some will say that counting $$ on an airplane is a foolish waste of time...but why throw $$ at someone who's going to ship you something you don't want or need, then get pissed off? My wood purchases have among the most pleasant part of my project! Gary Cool Poplar Piet ------Original Message------ From: Bill Church Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo Sent: Jun 2, 2011 4:05 PM Well, I was puzzled when you referred to the "plywood kit". So I took a look at the ACS website, and found what I assume you ordered. Yowza - $1100 worth of plywood sheets! I guess the most important thing is that disclaimer at the bottom, where ACS says to refer to the plans and verify sizes and quantities prior to ordering. How did the list maker come up with 5 full sheets of 1/16" ply? (I calculate one and a half sheets for the whole plane) And why is one sheet mahogany, and the other four Birch? And where did the 3/32" ply thickness come from? The only place that I can recall seeing 3/32" ply called for in the plans is for some spacers in the 3-piece wing (maybe a couple of square feet). In the Pietenpol plans, the fuselage sides and gussets, and seatbacks and panels and empennage gussets all call for 1/8" ply - not 3/32". And what's the half sheet of 1/4" marine ply for? Makes me wonder what aircraft that plywood list is actually for. I seem to recall hearing something about some wood kits actually being suited more to the GN-1 than the "real" Air Camper. I haven't seen GN-1 plans, so I can't say if that's the case. Once again, it seems that it's always a good idea to work out the materials list on your own, rather than trusting someone else's quantities. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341882#341882 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/acs_ply_kit_125.jpg Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Permatex?
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jun 02, 2011
I use stuff from NAPA that is actually the NAPA brand. It is called "Aviation Form-a-Gasket". It is the dark brown gooey-ish stuuff. It never really hardens. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341893#341893 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
From: "lowell23(at)msn.com" <lowell23(at)msn.com>
Date: Jun 02, 2011
Hey, thanks for all the info and lively discussion! I'll send an e-mail along to the folks at Aircraft Spruce, and I'll learn to trust my instincts more when reading disclaimers. I'm actually not mad - it's all beautiful wood, and if I can make a Jenga set out of the cheapest stuff at Home Depot, just imagine what my Monopoly board will look like! Thanks again for helping out a Tri-Pacer guy. Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341905#341905 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jun 03, 2011
Well Lowell, I think you get the award for "most calm reaction to a very aggravating set of circumstances". That kind of attitude will come in handy as you progress through the build process. Be sure to share some photos as you put your Monopoly board together. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341914#341914 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering
From: "regchief" <kbosley(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 03, 2011
Will there still be a gathering tomorrow with the rain expected? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341963#341963 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering
Date: Jun 03, 2011
Hel...I mean, Heck Yeah!!! Gary - see you there? -----Original Message----- From: regchief Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 2:02 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering Will there still be a gathering tomorrow with the rain expected? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341963#341963 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 03, 2011
From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
I must concurr, the kits are not made ip of the correct materials. - The tail section kit from Aircraft Spruce and Speciality lacked quite a few pieces of material for proper length and size. - KMHeide Fargo, ND - --- On Thu, 6/2/11, Bill Church wrote: From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 6:05 PM > Well, I was puzzled when you referred to the "plywood kit". So I took a loo k at the ACS website, and found what I assume you ordered. Yowza - $1100 wo rth of plywood sheets! I guess the most important thing is that disclaimer at the bottom, where ACS says to refer to the plans and verify sizes and qu antities prior to ordering. How did the list maker come up with 5 full sheets of 1/16" ply? (I calculat e one and a half sheets for the whole plane) And why is one sheet mahogany, and the other four Birch? And where did the 3/32" ply thickness come from? The only place that I can recall seeing 3/32" ply called for in the plans is for some spacers in the 3-piece wing (maybe a couple of square feet). In the Pietenpol plans, the f uselage sides and gussets, and seatbacks and panels and empennage gussets a ll call for 1/8" ply - not 3/32". And what's the half sheet of 1/4" marine ply for? Makes me wonder what aircraft that plywood list is actually for. I seem to recall hearing something about some wood kits actually being suited more to the GN-1 than the "real" Air Camper. I haven't seen GN-1 plans, so I can't say if that's the case. Once again, it seems that it's always a good idea to work out the materials list on your own, rather than trusting someone else's quantities. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341882#341882 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/acs_ply_kit_125.jpg le, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 03, 2011
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering
The plan is to continue with the meet.- We understand that we probably wo n't have too many planes flying in, but Charlie has his Piet based there so we will have at least that plane.- We'll still have a great time talking Pietenpols, sharing photos and having lunch.- Hope you can make it!=0A =0AMike Groah=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: regchief =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, Ju ne 3, 2011 2:02 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gath t.net>=0A=0AWill there still be a gathering tomorrow with the rain expected ?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.c =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering
From: "regchief" <kbosley(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 03, 2011
I only get one day off a week, and since I have been in California the last 9 months, it has managed to rain about 70% of the time, and only for that day.I am starting to think I am cursed! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341988#341988 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering
From: "regchief" <kbosley(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 03, 2011
I will drive up though so I can meet you all! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341989#341989 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
Date: Jun 03, 2011
The good folks at Aircraft Spruce monitor this list, so likely they may pipe up and put they're 2 cents in. With all the times the "approved" parts list has been floated on the list I'm surprised they haven't adopted it. It's in the archives if you search for it. Dan -- Dan Yocum yocum137(at)gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Jun 3, 2011, at 8:11 AM, "Bill Church" wrote: > > Well Lowell, I think you get the award for "most calm reaction to a very aggravating set of circumstances". That kind of attitude will come in handy as you progress through the build process. > Be sure to share some photos as you put your Monopoly board together. > > Bill C. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341914#341914 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering
Date: Jun 03, 2011
Where are you driving from, Regchief? Gary, donotarchive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of regchief Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 5:19 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering I will drive up though so I can meet you all! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341989#341989 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Turtle Deck Help!
From: "cjborsuk" <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 03, 2011
Hey Guys & Gals, I have spent the last two days trying to get my turtle deck to look right. I have been through this list and West Coast Piet and have seen some beautiful work, but I can't find a good explanation on how to measure and cut to get it as straight as possible. Help needed! I have been through a bunch of poster board trying different methods. I know there has to be an easier way. Chuck Borsuk 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341999#341999 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering
From: "regchief" <kbosley(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 03, 2011
Paso Robles. Kelly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342003#342003 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jun 03, 2011
I've seen a few different versions of the wood list, and I believe that one of them is what the "spruce kit" is based on. But I wasn't aware that there was a "plywood kit" offered by Aircraft Spruce. I guess it's relatively new. Just not sure where the quantities and thicknesses came from. Apparently not from the Pietenpol plans, but MAYBE it may be connected to the Grega plans? Anyone out there got a set of GN-1 plans to check against? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342006#342006 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 03, 2011
From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Turtle Deck Help!2
ok in my way i made my i trate to sedyou pict about make like T draw whit t he I part lower one used like put my point needle compas ans open the radio us over you size mesurament whit fuselaje I add 2inches more her --- On Fri, 6/3/11, cjborsuk wrote: From: cjborsuk <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help! Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 7:31 PM Hey Guys & Gals, I have spent the last two days trying to get my turtle deck to look right. I have been through this list and West Coast Piet and have seen some beauti ful work, but I can't find a good explanation on how to measure and cut to get it as straight as possible. Help needed! I have been through a bunch of poster board trying different methods. I kno w there has to be an easier way. Chuck Borsuk 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341999#341999 le, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Turtle Deck Help!2
From: "aussiegeorge" <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 03, 2011
Two ideas come to mind when it comes to forming curved shapes. Google sketchup with an unfold plugin. It is free to down load and is painful to learn to use. But it is so very easy to draw with. I bought a copy of turbocad platinum 15 for about three hundred dollars. It has a superb 3d function with an unfold in it. Once you have the program learned you want want to go anywhere else. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342012#342012 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Turtle Deck Help!2
From: "aussiegeorge" <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 03, 2011
Two ideas come to mind when it comes to forming curved shapes. Google sketchup with an unfold plugin. It is free to down load and is painful to learn to use. But it is so very easy to draw with. I bought a copy of turbocad platinum 15 for about three hundred dollars. It has a superb 3d function with an unfold in it. Once you have the program learned you won't want to go anywhere else. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342013#342013 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Turtle Deck Help!
Date: Jun 04, 2011
Chuck If you are referring to making the notched former supports, this is how I did mine. I cut out the notches in the front former (at the seatback) evenly spaced just by measuring the location. Then laid all the long pieces in the notches. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Front_turtle_support.jp g I Clustered them at the rear and taped them down so they would not move. I went with a transition to flat at the back. Some like the curved look. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Rear_Deck_support.jpg I then ran a piece of thread along the top of each former to make sure it was strait (not bowing). Then I built intermediate former templates like this picture http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Mid%20turtle%20deck%20S upport%20Template.jpg http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/mid%20turtle%20deck%20s upport%20template2.jpg The beauty of this method is you can move the notch around until the sting is centered down the length of the former. Glue it to the plywood and your pattern is perfect. Use this to cut the final shape. As you can see in this picture it turned out quite nice using this method. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Finished_turtle_deck.jp g Hopefully this is clearer than mud. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 7:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help! Hey Guys & Gals, I have spent the last two days trying to get my turtle deck to look right. I have been through this list and West Coast Piet and have seen some beautiful work, but I can't find a good explanation on how to measure and cut to get it as straight as possible. Help needed! I have been through a bunch of poster board trying different methods. I know there has to be an easier way. Chuck Borsuk 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341999#341999 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: outdone
Date: Jun 04, 2011
Pony up all you musically creative Pieters! Surely we can't be outshined by natures own lumberjack. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3w_v0k57KhE#at =64 Don't all great airplanes need their own song? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Turtle Deck Help!
Date: Jun 04, 2011
Chuck, I did mine as Chris described. Here are a couple more pictures which may help. I would suggest NOT using as many stringers as I did, which adds weight to the aft end. Jack DSM http://textors.com/IMG_1950_640x427.jpg http://textors.com/IMG_4220_640x427.jpg http://textors.com/IMG_1949_640x427.jpg http://textors.com/IMG_1953_640x427.jpg http://textors.com/IMG_1951_640x427.jpg -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 2:23 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help! Chuck If you are referring to making the notched former supports, this is how I did mine. I cut out the notches in the front former (at the seatback) evenly spaced just by measuring the location. Then laid all the long pieces in the notches. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Front_turtle_support.jp g I Clustered them at the rear and taped them down so they would not move. I went with a transition to flat at the back. Some like the curved look. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Rear_Deck_support.jpg I then ran a piece of thread along the top of each former to make sure it was strait (not bowing). Then I built intermediate former templates like this picture http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Mid%20turtle%20deck%20S upport%20Template.jpg http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/mid%20turtle%20deck%20s upport%20template2.jpg The beauty of this method is you can move the notch around until the sting is centered down the length of the former. Glue it to the plywood and your pattern is perfect. Use this to cut the final shape. As you can see in this picture it turned out quite nice using this method. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Finished_turtle_deck.jp g Hopefully this is clearer than mud. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 7:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help! Hey Guys & Gals, I have spent the last two days trying to get my turtle deck to look right. I have been through this list and West Coast Piet and have seen some beautiful work, but I can't find a good explanation on how to measure and cut to get it as straight as possible. Help needed! I have been through a bunch of poster board trying different methods. I know there has to be an easier way. Chuck Borsuk 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341999#341999 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Turtle Deck Help!
Date: Jun 04, 2011
One other thing that helps make a nice straight turtle-deck is to provide some braces between the stringers to help keep them from moving when the fabric shrinks. Mike Cuy gave me this tip when I was building mine. See the photo below: You can see the braces I=92m talking about behind the helmet box ' in between the forward bulkhead and the next bulkhead. Just pieces of =BC=94 square spruce, but they do a lot to keep the stringers from moving or twisting. Also note the plywood just aft of the rear seat bulkhead. It is critical to reinforce this area as this carries a lot of weight when getting in and out of the cockpit. Jack Phillips NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 7:21 AM Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help! Chuck, I did mine as Chris described. Here are a couple more pictures which may help. I would suggest NOT using as many stringers as I did, which adds weight to the aft end. Jack DSM http://textors.com/IMG_1950_640x427.jpg http://textors.com/IMG_4220_640x427.jpg http://textors.com/IMG_1949_640x427.jpg http://textors.com/IMG_1953_640x427.jpg http://textors.com/IMG_1951_640x427.jpg -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 2:23 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help! Chuck If you are referring to making the notched former supports, this is how I did mine. I cut out the notches in the front former (at the seatback) evenly spaced just by measuring the location. Then laid all the long pieces in the notches. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Front_turtle_support .jp g I Clustered them at the rear and taped them down so they would not move. I went with a transition to flat at the back. Some like the curved look. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Rear_Deck_support.jp g I then ran a piece of thread along the top of each former to make sure it was strait (not bowing). Then I built intermediate former templates like this picture http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Mid%20turtle%20deck% 20S upport%20Template.jpg http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/mid%20turtle%20deck% 20s upport%20template2.jpg The beauty of this method is you can move the notch around until the sting is centered down the length of the former. Glue it to the plywood and your pattern is perfect. Use this to cut the final shape. As you can see in this picture it turned out quite nice using this method. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/Finished_turtle_deck .jp g Hopefully this is clearer than mud. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 7:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Help! Hey Guys & Gals, I have spent the last two days trying to get my turtle deck to look right. I have been through this list and West Coast Piet and have seen some beautiful work, but I can't find a good explanation on how to measure and cut to get it as straight as possible. Help needed! I have been through a bunch of poster board trying different methods. I know there has to be an easier way. Chuck Borsuk 989CB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341999#341999 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 04, 2011
From: Matt Keyes <keyesmp(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Stolen Aircraft
Hello all, Please be on the lookout for a stolen Quicksilver Sport 11, N582VB, taken s ome time last week from the Sextonville Airport, Richland Center, WI.- In addition, they took the Rotax 503 engine from my aircraft.- If you have any information, pleas contact the FAA and the Richland County Sheriff's De partment 608-647-8906. Sincerely, Matt Keyes http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Your_Story__123056908.html http://www.n582vb.com/582vb-memories/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
From: "lowell23(at)msn.com" <lowell23(at)msn.com>
Date: Jun 04, 2011
I checked the Wicks site, and they also have a plywood kit that doesn't include 1/8". Also, I may have found out where all the 3/32" in the kits comes from. The original Pietenpol Builders Manual has you using that size for the sides of the fuse. Its itemized parts list includes 1/8" for the gussets, but... Well, the important thing is that the newest plans have you using 1/8" for gussets and sides, and that sounds good to me. The Builders Manual is a good read, and I'd suggest it to anyone. Of course I got it at http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/Product.html. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342052#342052 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gusset Question and Possibly a Photo
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jun 04, 2011
Here is a link to my comments on the material list I used. It was originally compiled by Bob McKinley, and I was told that it was used by Aircraft Spruce to put together their wood package. I can tell you that it was pretty darn close to what I received from them in 2009. You can read my notes and download a PDF version of the list here... http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=72593&highlight Notice that there are measurements and quantities listed for wing capstrip, but not for plywood. I can't give an honest estimate on plywood needs as I have not completed construction, and because everyone seems to have slightly different requirements, but the Aircraft Spruce plywood package seems to be way more than needed. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342072#342072 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 04, 2011
Subject: Thanks All who made the West Coast Gathering so great!
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Just got back and sat down to absorb the day and ruminate on the 'chat and chew' advice and hanger talk. Great day of back slappin' and fellowship at Charlie's hanger. Jody and I would like to thank Charlie and Cecilia, Mike and Vic Groah and the rest that made today happen. It's great to know there is such an active and helpful bunch of Pieters on the west coast! Mark & Jody Roberts Fresno, CA Left side framed and now needing to be changed thanks to seeing Charlie's Keri-Ann Side door... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Thanks All who made the West Coast Gathering so great!
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: Jun 05, 2011
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Subject: Re: Thanks All who made the West Coast Gathering so great!
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 05, 2011
Remember that there is part of the west coast that is not in California..... greetings from Seattle and I hope to make a WCPG one if these times..... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342091#342091 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: way off topic but very important to Brodhead attendees
From: "womenfly2" <keriannprice(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 05, 2011
Really! .... really post something like this here, really? Keri-Ann (WF2) -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342098#342098 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 05, 2011
Subject: Re: Thanks All who made the West Coast Gathering
so great!
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
I wish I were one of those "West Coasters" not in California... This state is ... OK, No negatives here. I'll keep it positive. Hope you can make it next year. It is quite amazing how Pieters seem to have a close and helpful bond of community, I dunno if RV'ers, Zenith-ites, Long-ezers, or any other builder groups are like the Pieters, but they sure seem to be the warmest and most helpful group of folks I have been around outside a church... Mark On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 1:01 AM, aerocarjake wrote: > > > > Remember that there is part of the west coast that is not in > California..... greetings from Seattle and I hope to make a WCPG one if > these times..... > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342091#342091 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 05, 2011
Subject: Re: Thanks All who made the West Coast Gathering
so great!
From: mike Hardaway <bkemike(at)gmail.com>
Fly-ins scheduled every weekend, Fresh-picked strawberries for six months every year, Fantastic flying weather all year long...except yesterday, A refreshingly HILARIOUS state government; What's not to love about my native state? Mike And what's not to love about WCP? On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > I wish I were one of those "West Coasters" not in California... This state > is ... OK, No negatives here. I'll keep it positive. > > Hope you can make it next year. It is quite amazing how Pieters seem to > have a close and helpful bond of community, I dunno if RV'ers, Zenith-ites, > Long-ezers, or any other builder groups are like the Pieters, but they sure > seem to be the warmest and most helpful group of folks I have been around > outside a church... > > Mark > > [snip] ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: way off topic but very important to Brodhead attendees
From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net>
Date: Jun 05, 2011
I thought it was quite funny myself, and then showed it to my wife who also got a good laugh from it. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342119#342119 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: way off topic but very important to Brodhead attendees
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 05, 2011
Can we drop this topic at this point, please? A joke was made. Some enjoyed it, and some did not. Some will always think it is funny, while others will never find the joke funny. That is why God created 39 flavors of ice cream. Differences are what make this world. I would not consider the joke any more misogynistic (woman hating) than I would consider my wife's comment that men can't multi-task as being misandrystic (man hating). Let's just use this forum without it degenerating into back and forth rants, like many other forums do. Those forums have ceased to be what they were intended to be- places for like-minded individuals to meet and discuss. And do so peaceably. I look forward to meeting everyone at Brodhead and discussing the important stuff- flying and Pietenpols! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342133#342133 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Corvair case bolts needed
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jun 05, 2011
Just returned from corvair college #20. Need a long and short case bolt if anyone has spares. Thanks, John -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342135#342135 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair case bolts needed
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 05, 2011
Sorry, don't have case bolts, but I do have an interest in Corvair College. Perhaps you can be enticed into writing a summary of the goings-on. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342136#342136 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair case bolts needed
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jun 05, 2011
I know a few people on this list have been to more than one Corvair College. This was my first. It went from Friday about noon to sometime on Sunday. I completed the work I was prepared to do on my engine late Saturday afternoon and went home. There were people tearing apart old greasy engines on the floor to those finishing 5 years of work and seeing it run for the first time. William Wynne and Roy Szarafinski of Roys Garage were both there and very busy helping people. Mark Petniunas of Falcon Machine was also there helping anyone he could. These guys were busy and you just had to wait your turn to get their attention to answer your questions or help with a particular problem you have. The more experienced builders would answer any questions they could as well. Most brought a tool box and the tools they knew they needed to get their engines to the next phase. William had almost all his parts there for sale. Roy and Mark were writing work orders for any machine work you wanted. I had Mark inspect my heads and he took them home with him for rework. The food was plentiful and good. The hangar was a great working area. A camping area was set up nearby. I found everyone friendly and more than willing to assist each other if they could. I left with everything and more than I expected. I highly recommend if you are going with a corvair engine to at least attend one if not more during your build. I also would caution everyone to be careful at the colleges. There is a certain excitement that pushes you to make progress perhaps faster than you should. Be selective who you listen to. Guys like me (first time builders)should not be giving advise on such critical matters as assembling an engine without saying "I believe" and "But you better check the manual" with each statement. Okay, is that worth two beers? But alas, I don't drink beer......how about a coke instead? John -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342153#342153 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: frazier Lake evet West coast Piet.
Date: Jun 05, 2011
Thank all of you that braved the unusual weather to come to Frazier lake. It was a great time for me and I think several of the others who attended. It is that one chance each year to talk in person and compare notes and in formation. Charlie and his family and Mike Groah and is lovely bride worke d hard to make it a success. We hope the weather will be more normal next year and more can come. Even with a 30 mph cross wind on the runway we had a good time=2C just not in th e air. Just a lot of hot air. We have a super supportive group out west a n want to invite more of you to take advantage of it. We are like the Mari nes=2C we want a few more good men and women in our group. All of use who are building are willing to have you come by and share ideas . That is how well all build a better product. Thanks again. Vic Groah NX414MV ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Engine Mount Jig
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jun 06, 2011
Dear fellow Brodhead attenders... I have the engine mount jig that I made to make mine, then my dad's, then Douwe used it to make his new one. It is for the small Continentals. Even though I am planning to fly to Brodhead this year, if there is someone who is getting close to building their mount, I could see that it makes it to Brodhead for them to use. The only catch is that it makes it back to Brodhead next year for the next person to use. It is made of angle iron and is pretty heavy. Probably not very good for stuffing in an airplane. If there is anyone planning to be there and would like to use it next please let me know. Don Emch NX899DE P.S. I cheated a little bit...it is about 1 1/2" longer than plan length...since I am somewhat of a purist please don't tell any of the other purists! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342174#342174 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 06, 2011
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: way off topic but very important to Brodhead
Terry- " It is not advisable, James, to offer unsolicited opinions. You should spare yourself the embarrassing discovery of their exact value to your listener". In other words......Don't try to dictate rules of engagement until you have tenure.( It usually takes about 5 years on the list and being a guest at Brodhead to figure out the players and some of the banter that regularly graces this site). It's taken many years for this site to get to it's present state and waves of stupidity and brilliance come and go regularly without a Daddy or Sargent-at-arms guarding who says what. Don't sweat the small stuff. We're more liberal than we first appear. Hell's bells, we even let Gregas and bastardized versions of BHP's designs post here without giving them too much grief.......most of the time. Sorry about the shape of your head but we always appreciate self deprecating humor. Larry (the old curmudgeon) Williams xcg, xcmr, epp EAA, AMA, NRA, USHPGA, FFDO(ret) NX899LW Semper Paratus ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: West Coast Piet Gathering
Date: Jun 06, 2011
Thanks to the Groahs' and the Millers' for another fine effort with great results! Mike - Looking forward to having your Piet there next year. Huddled in small groups for warmth!! Frazer Lake, '11 001.jpg Mike & Vic Groah present Charlie Miller with an appropriate token of their appreciation! Frazer Lake 11 007.jpg Parting shot of Charlie's Piet & Stinson. Frazer Lake 11 009.jpg See y'all next year.if not before! Gary ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair case bolts needed
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 06, 2011
That was well worth a couple of cokes. Thanks for the synopsis. Still sorry I don't have the case bolts. Thanks again. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342183#342183 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 06, 2011
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Making progress in Pryor.....
I know it's not a big deal to most of us, with all the fantastic progress everyone has been making lately...but to me it's HUGE.... I've re-discovered the joy of going out to the shop "the next day" and finding the wet epoxy all set up and hard like it should be and the new piece(s) in place...now a part of this wonderful Pietenpol aerodynamic shape. And sanding the corners and rough edges into something that actually feels like air will move over it like it should. So now the remaining LE 1/16" ply covering is COMPLETE...well, some sanding left to do but it's all attached. Priceless.... Off to Kotzebue AK then Greenwich CT then home....and this trip I am REALLY looking forward to getting back home to make more sawdust. Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 06, 2011
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Salute to our NASA members
I know this is not exactly Pietenpol related but I believe it is well worth our time. Attached is one of the neatest photos I have ever seen. Imagine getting to see this from the seat of a Piet at 26 thousand feet. (Yeah, RIGHT!) Also - sorry but I don't think a low resolution version of this photo would do it justice. In any case, we have a couple of NASA folks on our list and this only seems appropriate. The link is to a NASA video of the last flight of Endeavour. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO7ZBp4HXQA Tom Stinemetze N328X ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Making progress in Pryor.....
Date: Jun 06, 2011
Beautiful, Jim! And I like your comment about the epoxy. I wondered what happened to my 4-legged stool.... Gary Donotarchive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 6:41 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Making progress in Pryor..... I know it's not a big deal to most of us, with all the fantastic progress everyone has been making lately...but to me it's HUGE.... I've re-discovered the joy of going out to the shop "the next day" and finding the wet epoxy all set up and hard like it should be and the new piece(s) in place...now a part of this wonderful Pietenpol aerodynamic shape. And sanding the corners and rough edges into something that actually feels like air will move over it like it should.

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