Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-km
June 06, 2011 - June 17, 2011
So now the remaining LE 1/16" ply covering is COMPLETE...well, some sanding left
to do but it's all attached.
Priceless....
Off to Kotzebue AK then Greenwich CT then home....and this trip I am REALLY looking
forward to getting back home to make more sawdust.
Jim
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Making progress in Pryor..... |
Looking really good Jim. I'm looking forward to seeing you at Brodhead
again this year.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Making progress in Pryor.....
I know it's not a big deal to most of us, with all the fantastic progress
everyone has been making lately...but to me it's HUGE....
I've re-discovered the joy of going out to the shop "the next day" and
finding the wet epoxy all set up and hard like it should be and the new
piece(s) in place...now a part of this wonderful Pietenpol aerodynamic
shape.
And sanding the corners and rough edges into something that actually feels
like air will move over it like it should.
So now the remaining LE 1/16" ply covering is COMPLETE...well, some sanding
left to do but it's all attached.
Priceless....
Off to Kotzebue AK then Greenwich CT then home....and this trip I am REALLY
looking forward to getting back home to make more sawdust.
Jim
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | West Coast Piet Gathering |
Looks like a good time was had by all.
Fun, when Piers all get together, ain't it?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet Gathering
Thanks to the Groahs' and the Millers' for another fine effort with great
results! Mike - Looking forward to having your Piet there next year.
Huddled in small groups for warmth!!
Frazer Lake, '11 001.jpg
Mike & Vic Groah present Charlie Miller with an appropriate token of their
appreciation!
Frazer Lake 11 007.jpg
Parting shot of Charlie's Piet & Stinson.
Frazer Lake 11 009.jpg
See y'all next year.if not before!
Gary
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18 |
Fellow Pieters, Just a reminder of my fly-in on saturday june 18 here at Ch
apman Memorial Field (6CM) in Centerburg Ohio.- It will be a pot luck sty
le event and tent camping here on friday and saturday nights.- Hope to se
e many as many of you Ohio area Guys as possible.- Drive ins are welcome,
and parking shouldn't be a problem.- Please contact me by email, on list
or off, if you plan on attending. I will give out pattern instructions, dr
iving directions etc.
-
Hope to see Y'all here, Sat June 18
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Gathering |
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
image003.jpg - A Pietenpol and a Stinson 108, my favorite combination!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342201#342201
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| Subject: | Re: Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18 |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
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| From: | Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18 |
This one is my first.
Owen
On 06/06/2011 01:37 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> No
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Kip
> and Beth Gardner
> *Sent:* Monday, June 06, 2011 1:23 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18
>
> Is anyone else getting multiple copies (up to 5-6) of each message?
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| Subject: | Re: Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18 |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I received 4 from pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net, but not from any others.
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Semper Fi,
Terry
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342224#342224
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Thanks All who made the West Coast Gathering so great! |
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| Subject: | Re: Making progress in Pryor..... |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Looking great Jim! You might just beat me to that stack of pancakes after all!
I can't wait to be skimming the tree tops over Green Country.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342236#342236
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18 |
I got multiple copies, but is anyone planning on coming to the fly in?
-
Shad
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| From: | Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18 |
I would love to if I had a more reliable vehicle, maybe something Corvair
powered.
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From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 5:50:57 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18
I got multiple copies, but is anyone planning on coming to the fly in?
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18 |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks All who made the West Coast Gathering so great! |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
Well today I got my 1st flight in the piet for the year.- With all the cr
ap I have to do on the house, and trying to get the time to get the annual
cond inspection done I haven't had time to fart.- I was however knocked o
ut when I flew over to top it off with 100LL, at $5+ per gallon whoooo whee
ee!- It was good for the soul though to look down on the green, wet groun
d, instead of trudging thru it.
-
Shad
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Thanks All who made the West Coast Gathering so great! |
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| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18 |
Hi Shad,
Unfortunately I won't make it this year. The excessive rain this
Spring makes farm work a priority now. With any luck we'll still have
a decent year.
Kip Gardner
On Jun 6, 2011, at 10:38 AM, shad bell wrote:
>
>
> Fellow Pieters, Just a reminder of my fly-in on saturday june 18
> here at Chapman Memorial Field (6CM) in Centerburg Ohio. It will be
> a pot luck style event and tent camping here on friday and saturday
> nights. Hope to see many as many of you Ohio area Guys as
> possible. Drive ins are welcome, and parking shouldn't be a
> problem. Please contact me by email, on list or off, if you plan on
> attending. I will give out pattern instructions, driving directions
> etc.
>
> Hope to see Y'all here, Sat June 18
> Shad
>
>
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I am struggling with how to bend my cabane strut fittings. I've looked in the
archives using the search engine and still haven't come up with any ideas.
It is obvious to me that I can make one 90 degree bend with my vise brake, but
making the second bend so close to the first on a part that is nearly 3" long
isn't possible with that type of tool. So I thought that I might initiate both
bends to whatever degree possible and use a bending block to beat them to 90
degrees, but without being firmly clamped on the adjacent side this only makes
for a bowed bend. My next thought was to heat them with my torch and apply
the same force (hammer), but I don't like that idea. Small, cherry red fittings
that need to be positioned properly on a form once hot... yeah, I'm probably
going to get burned.
I've see some photos of other's completed fittings and they don't look like they
have been heated. I looked at Jack Textor's fittings in a recent thread and
they look very nice. I also plan to do the overlapping fittings rather than
the 3-piece welded fittings, but again, the main issue is making the bends on
the long pieces.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342296#342296
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/cabane_fittings_738.jpg
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
The mechanic who did my fittings did them the way the plans call for --
bending the long piece 90 degrees in two places, making the two tabs in
separate pieces, and welding them to the long, U shaped piece. He told me
later that if he had done it his way he would have made it in one piece of
metal with four bends (five, counting the 45 degree bend). chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 11:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Fittings
>
> I am struggling with how to bend my cabane strut fittings. I've looked in
> the archives using the search engine and still haven't come up with any
> ideas.
>
> It is obvious to me that I can make one 90 degree bend with my vise brake,
> but making the second bend so close to the first on a part that is nearly
> 3" long isn't possible with that type of tool. So I thought that I might
> initiate both bends to whatever degree possible and use a bending block to
> beat them to 90 degrees, but without being firmly clamped on the adjacent
> side this only makes for a bowed bend. My next thought was to heat them
> with my torch and apply the same force (hammer), but I don't like that
> idea. Small, cherry red fittings that need to be positioned properly on a
> form once hot... yeah, I'm probably going to get burned.
>
> I've see some photos of other's completed fittings and they don't look
> like they have been heated. I looked at Jack Textor's fittings in a
> recent thread and they look very nice. I also plan to do the overlapping
> fittings rather than the 3-piece welded fittings, but again, the main
> issue is making the bends on the long pieces.
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342296#342296
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/cabane_fittings_738.jpg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Looks like if you had a bending block about 3" long and 15/16" thick, you could
clamp the bracket around it after the 1st 90 degree bend so that you could hammer
it around to get the 2nd 90 degree bend you need. That's what I would try
to do, can't think of any easier way to do it besides that.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342301#342301
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Gathering |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Oscar,
You just described "unusual" perfectly, unless you live where I do, then it's the
norm. Spring time at my house usually includes winds at 15 gusting to 25 or
30 knots with an occasional calm day or two in between. It typically last from
March through the middle of June. Sounds like how you describe Texas. Anyway,
welcome to the Left Coast. I remember when I flew my Piet around Mt Shasta
it made me feel like an ant on this planet. You'll enjoy the flight when
it happens.
Happy Landings,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Off topic, another beer statistic |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Finally, another meaningful and encouraging static,
A 2006 study found that the average American walks about 900 miles a year.
Another study found that Americans drink an average of 22 gallons of beer a year.
That means, on average, Americans get about 41 miles per gallon.
Not Bad!!! Maybe I should start drinking beer again?
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Billy McCaskill wrote:
> Looks like if you had a bending block about 3" long and 15/16" thick, you could
clamp the bracket around it after the 1st 90 degree bend so that you could
hammer it around to get the 2nd 90 degree bend you need. That's what I would
try to do, can't think of any easier way to do it besides that.
I tried that with similar results to the second method I mentioned, using a bending
block... but I end up with a rounded bend instead of a boxed fitting. I
guess I didn't clamp the part tightly enough or something.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
I used a scrap piece of 1" square tube that was about 8 or 10 inches
long to which I clamped, using a beat up old C-clamp, the metal strap
that I wanted to bend. Imagine the piece of strap forming a T with
the square tube, such that the ears of the piece of strap were ready
to bend down over the square tube. I then tightened the 1" tube into
a table vise. I heated the piece of strap before bending, one ear at
a time. At a dull red, the strap bent nicely.
I also did the nested approach. I waited to do most of the cutting
and trimming until after I had welded the pairs of straps together.
See attached photo.
Cheers, Ken
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Billy McCaskill wrote:
>
> Looks like if you had a bending block about 3" long and 15/16" thick, you
could clamp the bracket around it after the 1st 90 degree bend so that you
could hammer it around to get the 2nd 90 degree bend you need. -That's w
hat I would try to do, can't think of any easier way to do it besides that.
>
> --------
> Billy McCaskill
> Urbana, IL
> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342301#342301
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Seems that I'm on the right track based on the initial comments... I guess I just
need to work on my technique a bit.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
That's exactly how I did mine, using C-clamps and the ever useful bench
vise.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy
McCaskill
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 9:10 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings
Looks like if you had a bending block about 3" long and 15/16" thick, you
could clamp the bracket around it after the 1st 90 degree bend so that you
could hammer it around to get the 2nd 90 degree bend you need. That's what
I would try to do, can't think of any easier way to do it besides that.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar> |
or.... http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1858922506
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18 |
Kip, I just got back from driving up to sw canton this morning, what a stor
m!- I got into hail high winds and some pretty good down pours.- It is
definitly WET up that way, I saw what I thought was swamp on the south side
of rt 30, just to see it was a field.- Good Luck with your planting, and
may you have a good yeild.
-
Shad
--- On Tue, 6/7/11, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote:
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18
Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 6:49 AM
Hi Shad,
Unfortunately I won't make it this year. -The excessive rain this Spring
makes farm work a priority now. -With any luck we'll still have a decent
year.
Kip Gardner
On Jun 6, 2011, at 10:38 AM, shad bell wrote:
Fellow Pieters, Just a reminder of my fly-in on saturday june 18 here at Ch
apman Memorial Field (6CM) in Centerburg Ohio.- It will be a pot luck sty
le event and tent camping here on friday and saturday nights.- Hope to se
e many as many of you Ohio area Guys as possible.- Drive ins are welcome,
and parking shouldn't be a problem.- Please contact me by email, on list
or off, if you plan on attending. I will give out pattern instructions, dr
iving directions etc.
-
Hope to see Y'all here, Sat June 18
Shad
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Big Piet Blast from the PAST! |
Just looking through some old Piet pictures and thought someone might enjoy
these.
The first picture shows all the parts to build 6 Corvair engines. Note the
table is divided into sections with blue tape and well organized. Three
minutes after this picture was taken, all hell broke loose and the building
began. I don't have the heart to show the picture of how the shop looked
after parts started flying together, but it looked like a poorly organized
disaster area.
The second picture is of Doc Mosher's visit to the Big Piet Factory in
Carrollton, Ga.
Barry Davis
NX973BP
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Excellent link, Santiago. I think I remember reading something very similar to
this method in the Bingelis books...
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
[quote="moretesantiago(at)yahoo.c"]or.... http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1858922506 (http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1858922506)
> [b]
That is an interesting approach Santiago. Thanks!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Mark,
I pre-bent each side as far as possible then finished off as seen in the
attachment.
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane Fittings
I am struggling with how to bend my cabane strut fittings. I've looked in
the archives using the search engine and still haven't come up with any
ideas.
It is obvious to me that I can make one 90 degree bend with my vise brake,
but making the second bend so close to the first on a part that is nearly 3"
long isn't possible with that type of tool. So I thought that I might
initiate both bends to whatever degree possible and use a bending block to
beat them to 90 degrees, but without being firmly clamped on the adjacent
side this only makes for a bowed bend. My next thought was to heat them
with my torch and apply the same force (hammer), but I don't like that idea.
Small, cherry red fittings that need to be positioned properly on a form
once hot... yeah, I'm probably going to get burned.
I've see some photos of other's completed fittings and they don't look like
they have been heated. I looked at Jack Textor's fittings in a recent
thread and they look very nice. I also plan to do the overlapping fittings
rather than the 3-piece welded fittings, but again, the main issue is making
the bends on the long pieces.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Mark
Yes, you need to build bending blocks for this fitting. I use some scrap 3/8th
inch steel I found at the scrap yard. Round the edge to the correct bend radius.
You can see the blocks in this picture.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_0048.JPG
For this fitting I had to have the blocks hang off the end of the bench vice so
the fitting would clear the jaws as it bent. The free end was clamped together
with a big C-clamp. It will make sense when you try it.
Clamp the long side of the fitting between the blocks and bend the short side until
you get to 90 degrees. Then bend the other side the same way (clamp the
long side , bend the short). The side will stay nice and strait if you hit the
fitting just above where you want it to bend. I found the best way to not damage
your fitting is to use a 1/2 inch brass rod between the hammer and the steel,
wood was destroyed to fast.
--------
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Mark,
Your answer is in your question. You mentioned Jack Textors' fittings. If you go
to Jack's website, way down near the bottom are a couple of photos that show
a good method.
First one 90 degree bend is made, using the vise mounted bending dies. Then the
second bend is started, and bent as far as the equipment will allow. Then, the
third leg is clamped tightly between two substantial metal bars, with the bend
line at the edge of the bars, and the rest of the bend is completed with a
hammer (and possibly a hardwood block or brass bar). I've attached copies of the
relevant photos from Jack's site.
Of course, the other way to make a bend like that is with a brake press and gooseneck
dies, but not too many of us have access to that kind of equipment.
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/cabane_fittings_010_102.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Excellent! I feel better knowing that my thinking wasn't too far off... I just
need to grab some scrap and practice making a few bends. Without a hydraulic
press and proper dies, it seems that these require a little grunt work no matter
which approach is used. Thanks a lot for the input fellas!
--------
Mark Chouinard
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
I've been working away... elevators connected.. tail all braced up..
making a couple of pulley brackets for the ailerons.. and all the while trying
to find the right engine parts
there are no dual plug model a heads out there.... snyders is working on it but
no idea when they are coming.. even the single plug heads out there are hard
to come by
so i can get a Thomas aluminum head... and i'm thinking about the corvair ignition
idea..
ie; dual point distributor..two coils...double throw switch and the msd coil switcher..
i'm guessing its been reliable on the corvair
the other option is the single magneto
i just happen to be friends with the president of champion aviation.. and don't
want to take advantage but i've been offered a new slick magneto if i want one....
he wants a prop for his office... maybe i could carve a practice piet prop
in trade..
seems a lot of A piets have a single ignition...and i'm sure its great but the
dual point distributor thing would be really easy.. and maybe lighter
any thoughts
jeff
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
Hi Mark,
I did my cabane fittings with the vise, a steel block about 7/8" thick and
some pieces of .090 to use to make up the difference.
I first bent the first 90 and then the second 90 as far as possible, wedged
in the block and shims, and pounded the last side down.
I was able to put the fittings in my vise so as to keep the bottom flat by
clamping the steel fill block=C2-against one vise jaw and the bottom of t
he fitting on the other=C2-vise jaw (with a piece of 090 to prevent scarr
ing the fitting). Cranked the vise down tight and used a 2 pound short hand
led mallet to finish off the last side.
this technique worked good for me after I made the usual first sacrificial
"spare part."
Cheers,
Jim B.
Piet on wheels
Tail surfaces mounted
Center section mounted
Control cables in work
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jeff,
I would vote for the free mag in exchange for the practice prop. Not that I
think the dual point idea is bad, but maybe you could do both. For me, car
ving my prop was the most challenging and rewarding part of the whole const
ruction process. It is something I thought was initially beyond the realm o
f my ability, but like most other phases of the build, it is just a matter
of putting one foot ahead of the other, and slugging through it. Sure, I co
uld have finished and flown a few months earlier, but learning new things w
as a big part of the reason I had for building the airplane in the first pl
ace. (Gary B. please weigh-in.)
FYI I am again re-thinking my 2nd ignition source. I am looking into the WI
CO mag that drops down into the distributor hole in the "A", (a-la Larry Wi
lliams from a few years ago.) No battery, no coil, no distributor or points
, or electronic ignition module. Haven't made up my mind....all I know for
sure is, that I want, in the worst way to fly to Brodhead with the one mag
I have now.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 1:08 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A ignition
>
I've been working away... elevators connected.. tail all braced up..
aking a couple of pulley brackets for the ailerons.. and all the while tryi
ng
o find the right engine parts
there are no dual plug model a heads out there.... snyders is working on it
but
o idea when they are coming.. even the single plug heads out there are hard
to
ome by
so i can get a Thomas aluminum head... and i'm thinking about the corvair
gnition idea..
e; dual point distributor..two coils...double throw switch and the msd coil
witcher..
i'm guessing its been reliable on the corvair
the other option is the single magneto
just happen to be friends with the president of champion aviation.. and do
n't
ant to take advantage but i've been offered a new slick magneto if i want
ne.... he wants a prop for his office... maybe i could carve a practice pie
t
rop in trade..
seems a lot of A piets have a single ignition...and i'm sure its great but
the
ual point distributor thing would be really easy.. and maybe lighter
any thoughts
eff
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| From: | Paul Jaffray <pauljaffray(at)gmail.com> |
Have you looked at the Secrets of Speed Society? They are at
www.secretsofspeed.com. They have high performance model a heads.
On Jun 7, 2011 2:09 PM, "bender" wrote:
jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
>
> I've been working away... elevators connected.. tail all braced up..
> making a couple of pulley brackets for the ailerons.. and all the while
trying to find the right engine parts
>
> there are no dual plug model a heads out there.... snyders is working on
it but no idea when they are coming.. even the single plug heads out there
are hard to come by
>
> so i can get a Thomas aluminum head... and i'm thinking about the corvair
ignition idea..
> ie; dual point distributor..two coils...double throw switch and the msd
coil switcher..
>
> i'm guessing its been reliable on the corvair
>
> the other option is the single magneto
> i just happen to be friends with the president of champion aviation.. and
don't want to take advantage but i've been offered a new slick magneto if i
want one.... he wants a prop for his office... maybe i could carve a
practice piet prop in trade..
>
> seems a lot of A piets have a single ignition...and i'm sure its great but
the dual point distributor thing would be really easy.. and maybe lighter
>
> any thoughts
>
>
> jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342322#342322
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
Try reading Tony Bingelis' books. He explains in infinite detail exactly
how to do it. This is true for 99% of the questions you will have as you
build your Pietenpol.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings
That's exactly how I did mine, using C-clamps and the ever useful bench
vise.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy
McCaskill
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 9:10 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane Fittings
Looks like if you had a bending block about 3" long and 15/16" thick, you
could clamp the bracket around it after the 1st 90 degree bend so that you
could hammer it around to get the 2nd 90 degree bend you need. That's what
I would try to do, can't think of any easier way to do it besides that.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
No experiance on the "A"'s (except driving dad's 1932 A V-8-1.5 ton truck
), but the msd coil switcher, duel point dist, and duel coil single plug ig
nition has worked without any problems on our crank snapp'n vair.- It sho
uld work fine on a A.- The hardest part might be getting both sets of poi
nts timed exactly the same.- The points have to be pretty dern close (exa
ctly) 180 degrees apart, and gapped the same to keep the timing exact on bo
th sets of points, but only one set is firing at a time, the other stricly
for back-up.
-
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane Fittings |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> Try reading Tony Bingelis' books. He explains in infinite detail exactly
> how to do it. This is true for 99% of the questions you will have as you
> build your Pietenpol.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> --
Ill do that... I've got his books, but must have overlooked that part, or perhaps
I just forgot.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
I guess your decision pretty much rests on 2 basic thoughts... 1) do you want a
battery and alternator (more weight and complexity) and a more elaborate electrical
system that is untried on a Model A and will require some fabrication and
experimentation, and 2) do you want a simpler, lighter, more proven, more period-correct
ignition system that probably won't require as much experimentation
and testing? Ultimately it is your plane and your decision, you just have
to weigh the options carefully and choose the system that will best meet your
requirements.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Flying again |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
I'll be there again this year with my camera, and would be happy to take some pictures
for you Kevin/Shad, or anyone else. I'd even be willing to do some aerial
photography of group or formation flights or whatever.
(This is my way of begging for rides!) [Wink]
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Off topic, another beer statistic |
That's really good! Us Canucks only get 10!
And we walk and paddle a lot more than
900 I can tell you!
Clif
>
> Finally, another meaningful and encouraging static,
>
> A 2006 study found that the average American walks about 900 miles a year.
>
> Another study found that Americans drink an average of 22 gallons of beer
> a year.
>
> That means, on average, Americans get about 41 miles per gallon.
>
> Not Bad!!! Maybe I should start drinking beer again?
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Shad, I am in the process of building up a Corvair (waiting on a Weseman
5th bearing right now.) I was planning to alternate using the two
ignition systems -- check the A side during warmup, then check B side
and use B for the flight. Next time reverse the action. Do you
alternate or use one side all the time?
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A ignition
No experiance on the "A"'s (except driving dad's 1932 A V-8 1.5
ton truck), but the msd coil switcher, duel point dist, and duel coil
single plug ignition has worked without any problems on our crank
snapp'n vair. It should work fine on a A. The hardest part might be
getting both sets of points timed exactly the same. The points have to
be pretty dern close (exactly) 180 degrees apart, and gapped the same to
keep the timing exact on both sets of points, but only one set is firing
at a time, the other stricly for back-up.
Shad
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18 |
Shad,
Ed and I are still planning to attend, weather permitting.
Skip
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
i need a battery already..... and planning on something as small as possible...
like the odyssey batteries.. so that is not a factor to me.
i don't really see the dual point distributor as experimental exactly...and i'm
looking at a new mallory with mechanical advance or even the FSI electronic distributor....both
work on a cars all day long..
i like the points idea for the fact that points distributors usually don't just
quit...they start acting up but don't just stop.. electronic on the other hand
just die.
i believe the weight of the mallory is a lot less than a slick mag and the mount..
the battery already needed as a transponder is required here.
the slick would probably last... hmm
jeff
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| From: | BRETT PHILLIPS <bphillip(at)shentel.net> |
*Jeff:**
*
*
*
*My only (relatively limited) experience has been with single ignition on
the A as designed by Mr. Pietenpol, so I am probably not qualified to give
an opinion, but I will offer the following observations from my experience
with other magneto equipped engines:
*
*
*
*1.) Good magnetos rarely give up at the drop of a hat, rather they tend to
fade gradually over time
*
*2.) Mag problems often show up as hard starting (particularly when hot)
*
*3.) Spark plugs often cause more trouble than the source of spark
(particularly in less than optimum combustion chamber designs like a
flathead)
*
*4.) As Dan will attest, the method of driving and timing the ignition
source is as important as the source
*
*
*
*For these reasons among others, the A that I'm building for our ship will
be single ignition, and my risk management will be based in maintenance.
There are a multitude of possible ignition systems for the A, but only a
few that are lightweight, simple, and reliable.
*
*
*
*If you can't find a dual plug head, Alex Whitmore uses a novel "dual plug"
adapter in his Piet with apparent success. It is a metal (steel or
aluminum?) plug that screws into the existing plug hole. This plug is
drilled and tapped for two plugs. The whole thing looks like a Y before it
is screwed into the head. Here's a link to a post on the "FORD BARN" site
that shows a picture of this adapter: *
*
*
*http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8860
*
*
*
*Brett Phillips
*
*Strasburg, VA
*
*NX311GP
*
*
*
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Jeff,
I weighed my Slick mag= about 5 lbs. if memory serves.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 12:59 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A ignition
>
i need a battery already..... and planning on something as small as possibl
e...
ike the odyssey batteries.. so that is not a factor to me.
i don't really see the dual point distributor as experimental exactly...and
i'm
ooking at a new mallory with mechanical advance or even the FSI electronic
istributor....both work on a cars all day long..
like the points idea for the fact that points distributors usually don't j
ust
uit...they start acting up but don't just stop.. electronic on the other ha
nd
ust die.
i believe the weight of the mallory is a lot less than a slick mag and the
ount.. the battery already needed as a transponder is required here.
the slick would probably last... hmm
jeff
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
Members:
-
I received a call today from a-local aviator who was at our EAA chapter m
eeting and-heard I was searching for an engine to hang on my pietenpol. H
e advised of a 0290 135hp Lycoming engine removed form a Tripacer that had
been damaged. The engine has been rebuilt with 37 hours and then pickled. N
ot sure what is missing but the majority is all their (might need a few ite
ms). I have not seen the engine as I wanted to ask a few questions to the l
ist.
1. Never heard of a Lycoming with fuel injection. Is this 0290 135 hp a goo
d engine for a pietenpol?
-
2. The engine has been rebuilt-with 37 hours total time; no logs. What ha
s to be done since it is pickled to bring it back to life?-
-
3.-Does anyone have time and/or history on this type of engine?-Good? B
ad? or run as fast as-I can?-Can parts be easy to find?
I need your help fellow pieters!
-
Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Engine question |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Price?
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Ken,
I'm NOT an authority on engines but think Lycomings in general are more
expensive to maintain. I will send you a name off list of a fantastic
fellow that can answer all your questions.
Jack
DSM
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide
CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 8:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine question
Members:
I received a call today from a local aviator who was at our EAA chapter
meeting and heard I was searching for an engine to hang on my pietenpol. He
advised of a 0290 135hp Lycoming engine removed form a Tripacer that had
been damaged. The engine has been rebuilt with 37 hours and then pickled.
Not sure what is missing but the majority is all their (might need a few
items). I have not seen the engine as I wanted to ask a few questions to the
list.
1. Never heard of a Lycoming with fuel injection. Is this 0290 135 hp a good
engine for a pietenpol?
2. The engine has been rebuilt with 37 hours total time; no logs. What has
to be done since it is pickled to bring it back to life?
3. Does anyone have time and/or history on this type of engine? Good? Bad?
or run as fast as I can? Can parts be easy to find?
I need your help fellow pieters!
Ken
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| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
the battery already needed as a transponder is required here.
Jeff,
Check the regs - if you don't have an electrical system, you're grandfathered in
(like Cubs and Champs - assuming you're in the US).
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | flying from TX to OR |
Gary, Mark, and others-
Yes, I'm considering flying the I-10 to I-5 route or
some modification thereof (maybe follow the central valley
rather than I-5 but have not hardened my travel plans yet.
Our daughter lives in Fallbrook, CA (moving to Carlsbad, CA
this summer) so I will more than likely make that the pivot
point for my west-to-north turn in CA. Also got a good
pilot buddy with a place in Joshua Tree, another up by
Grass Valley, another in Hanford... so lots of places I'm
going to try to hit on the way.
And I like sliced jalapenos on my burgers.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: flying from TX to OR |
Definitely let us all know your plans when you get them worked out. I'm very close
to Hanford and would love to come by and meet you if you stop in the area.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 9, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Gary, Mark, and others-
>
> Yes, I'm considering flying the I-10 to I-5 route or
> some modification thereof (maybe follow the central valley
> rather than I-5 but have not hardened my travel plans yet.
> Our daughter lives in Fallbrook, CA (moving to Carlsbad, CA
> this summer) so I will more than likely make that the pivot
> point for my west-to-north turn in CA. Also got a good
> pilot buddy with a place in Joshua Tree, another up by
> Grass Valley, another in Hanford... so lots of places I'm
> going to try to hit on the way.
>
> And I like sliced jalapenos on my burgers.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
> Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: flying from TX to OR |
In a message dated 6/9/2011 10:28:03 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga
Gary, Mark, and others-
Yes, I'm considering flying the I-10 to I-5 route or
some modification thereof (maybe follow the central valley
rather than I-5 but have not hardened my travel plans yet.
Our daughter lives in Fallbrook, CA (moving to Carlsbad, CA
this summer) so I will more than likely make that the pivot
point for my west-to-north turn in CA. Also got a good
pilot buddy with a place in Joshua Tree, another up by
Grass Valley, another in Hanford... so lots of places I'm
going to try to hit on the way.
And I like sliced jalapenos on my burgers.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
Be sure and have a full load of moth balls, empty gallon jugs as you will
be flying over the Pecos, Rio Grande and Colorado Waters.
CMC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | flying from TX to OR |
Oscar
Mike and I are just 25 miles east of Hanford and just 3 miles from the Tula
re airport. Tulare is split in half by highway 99. We may be able to do b
etter than burgers. My wife puts together a pretty good enchilada etc. We
also have a spare bedroom for the night. I am originaly from Oregon and s
till have a home there=2C but far north of your new home.
Vic and Mike Groah N414MV starting on fabric.
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Thu=2C 9 Jun 2011 11:55:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying from TX to OR
In a message dated 6/9/2011 10:28:03 A.M. Central Daylight Time=2C taildrag
s(at)hotmail.com writes:
Gary=2C Mark=2C and others-
Yes=2C I'm considering flying the I-10 to I-5 route or
some modification thereof (maybe follow the central valley
rather than I-5 but have not hardened my travel plans yet.
Our daughter lives in Fallbrook=2C CA (moving to Carlsbad=2C CA
this summer) so I will more than likely make that the pivot
point for my west-to-north turn in CA. Also got a good
pilot buddy with a place in Joshua Tree=2C another up by
Grass Valley=2C another in Hanford... so lots of places I'm
going to try to hit on the way.
And I like sliced jalapenos on my burgers.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford=2C OR (soon to be Eagle Point=2C Oregon)
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net se the ies a
y - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Si
te p=3B
Be sure and have a full load of moth balls=2C empty gallon jugs as you will
be flying over the Pecos=2C Rio Grande and Colorado Waters.
CMC
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
Charles, We installed one of Wynne's electronic distributers last year and
like it.- It is a Crane Cams ignition module, and a regular set of points
in a dual point distributer.- We fly on the electronic ignition, and the
points are for back-up.- We test both before take off during the run up.
- We had the regular dual points distributer before and pretty much did t
he same thing.-
-
Shad
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Maybe this has been posted, but I haven't seen it. I'm somewhat embarrassed to
say that I can't remember who's airplane this is, but it was shown in one of
the new AirVenture 2011 promo videos. You can watch it here.
http://www.eaavideo.org/channel.aspx?ch=ch_av_2011
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | flying from TX to OR |
Oscar,
You will be truly missing out on an outstanding opportunity if you do not
take advantage of Vic's offer!!! BTW, Grass Valley is just an hour north of
me.surely we can get a $10 burger there, too!
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of V Groah
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 9:47 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: flying from TX to OR
Oscar
Mike and I are just 25 miles east of Hanford and just 3 miles from the
Tulare airport. Tulare is split in half by highway 99. We may be able to
do better than burgers. My wife puts together a pretty good enchilada etc.
We also have a spare bedroom for the night. I am originaly from Oregon and
still have a home there, but far north of your new home.
Vic and Mike Groah N414MV starting on fabric.
_____
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:55:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying from TX to OR
In a message dated 6/9/2011 10:28:03 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes:
Gary, Mark, and others-
Yes, I'm considering flying the I-10 to I-5 route or
some modification thereof (maybe follow the central valley
rather than I-5 but have not hardened my travel plans yet.
Our daughter lives in Fallbrook, CA (moving to Carlsbad, CA
this summer) so I will more than likely make that the pivot
point for my west-to-north turn in CA. Also got a good
pilot buddy with a place in Joshua Tree, another up by
Grass Valley, another in Hanford... so lots of places I'm
going to try to hit on the way.
And I like sliced jalapenos on my burgers.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net se the ies ay
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flying over the Pecos, Rio Grande and Colorado Waters.
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: flying from TX to OR |
In a message dated 6/9/2011 11:49:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
vgroah(at)hotmail.com writes:
Oscar
Mike and I are just 25 miles east of Hanford and just 3 miles from the
Tulare airport. Tulare is split in half by highway 99. We may be able to do
better than burgers. My wife puts together a pretty good enchilada etc.
We also have a spare bedroom for the night. I am originaly from Oregon and
still have a home there, but far north of your new home.
Vic and Mike Groah N414MV starting on fabric.
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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:55:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying from TX to OR
In a message dated 6/9/2011 10:28:03 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga
Gary, Mark, and others-
Yes, I'm considering flying the I-10 to I-5 route or
some modification thereof (maybe follow the central valley
rather than I-5 but have not hardened my travel plans yet.
Our daughter lives in Fallbrook, CA (moving to Carlsbad, CA
this summer) so I will more than likely make that the pivot
point for my west-to-north turn in CA. Also got a good
pilot buddy with a place in Joshua Tree, another up by
Grass Valley, another in Hanford... so lots of places I'm
going to try to hit on the way.
And I like sliced jalapenos on my burgers.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net se the ies ay -
MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site p;
Be sure and have a full load of moth balls, empty gallon jugs as you will
be flying over the Pecos, Rio Grande and Colorado Waters.
CMC
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(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
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Correction???????????????? Ping Pong NOT Moth
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine question |
Price $2800.00
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--- On Wed, 6/8/11, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine question
Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 8:44 PM
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Price?
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I believe that is Tim Mickel.
Greg Cardinal
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Fly By
Maybe this has been posted, but I haven't seen it. =C2-I'm somewhat embar
rassed to say that I can't remember who's airplane this is, but it was show
n in one of the new AirVenture 2011 promo videos. =C2-You can watch it he
re. =C2-
http://www.eaavideo.org/channel.aspx?ch=ch_av_2011
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| Subject: | Re: flying from TX to OR |
| From: | mike Hardaway <bkemike(at)gmail.com> |
Oscar,
Palomar airport, at Carlsbad, is where I soloed in 1967, way before I flew
stuff with stars on the sides and way, way, before I discovered the joys of
stick-and-rag Piets.
Jalape=F1os grow by the trainload here in the central valley. (
http://ucanr.org/news/?uid=304&ds=191)
Welcome home, Viejo.
Mike Hardaway
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Gary, Mark, and others-
>
> Yes, I'm considering flying the I-10 to I-5 route or
> some modification thereof (maybe follow the central valley
> rather than I-5 but have not hardened my travel plans yet.
> Our daughter lives in Fallbrook, CA (moving to Carlsbad, CA
> this summer) so I will more than likely make that the pivot
> point for my west-to-north turn in CA. Also got a good
> pilot buddy with a place in Joshua Tree, another up by
> Grass Valley, another in Hanford... so lots of places I'm
> going to try to hit on the way.
>
> And I like sliced jalapenos on my burgers.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
> Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
[snip]
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Long Way from Home |
Hey you guys.
My wife and I are taking a 40th anniversary trip next week to the Bozeman,
Montana region. Are there any Air Campers or Sky Scouts near there that I
could go visit? My wife is pretty lenient about such things.
Thanks,
Tom Stinemetze
N328X - finally up on gear
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| From: | "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: flying from TX to OR |
Oscar,
If you follow I-5 or 99, you can stop in Colusa (O08) for as long as you
want. I have a hangar for your plane and a big house for your sleeping
pleasure. From here it is off to Redding; Bend, Oregon, etc. Free food and
lodging for you and your plane.
Thanks and fly SAFELY,
Ray Krause
Waiex 51YX, Jabiru 3300 (1197), Sensenich wood prop, AeroCarb (#2 needle
modified), Dynon D-180, Garmin SL 30 NavCom, Garmin 327 transponder, Garmin
Aera 560, nav and strobe lights, Dynon 2 axis A/P: 246 hrs, slowly boiling
Sky Scout.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 8:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying from TX to OR
>
>
> Gary, Mark, and others-
>
> Yes, I'm considering flying the I-10 to I-5 route or
> some modification thereof (maybe follow the central valley
> rather than I-5 but have not hardened my travel plans yet.
> Our daughter lives in Fallbrook, CA (moving to Carlsbad, CA
> this summer) so I will more than likely make that the pivot
> point for my west-to-north turn in CA. Also got a good
> pilot buddy with a place in Joshua Tree, another up by
> Grass Valley, another in Hanford... so lots of places I'm
> going to try to hit on the way.
>
> And I like sliced jalapenos on my burgers.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
> Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | A little ways off topic... |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
I don't mean to get anyone too bored but I thought I might post a couple of videos
of our Chief that my dad and I recently restored. If you know my Piet you
might recognize the fact that I had some left over dope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-wsbr18SbM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6pNXDWVIxw
I can't believe Brodhead is 6 weeks away! Planning to take the Piet up!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: A little ways off topic... |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Yep, that airplane is definitely related to 899DE.
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | A little ways off topic... |
Very nice, Don! ...and a beautiful landing. I like the new tire sticker...
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:04 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A little ways off topic...
I don't mean to get anyone too bored but I thought I might post a couple of
videos of our Chief that my dad and I recently restored. If you know my
Piet you might recognize the fact that I had some left over dope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-wsbr18SbM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6pNXDWVIxw
I can't believe Brodhead is 6 weeks away! Planning to take the Piet up!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | A little ways off topic... |
Looks good, Don! I must admit, I'm somewhat partial to green and cream
colored airplanes.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 7:04 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A little ways off topic...
I don't mean to get anyone too bored but I thought I might post a couple of
videos of our Chief that my dad and I recently restored. If you know my
Piet you might recognize the fact that I had some left over dope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-wsbr18SbM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6pNXDWVIxw
I can't believe Brodhead is 6 weeks away! Planning to take the Piet up!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Two Fuse Questions |
| From: | "lowell23(at)msn.com" <lowell23(at)msn.com> |
Hi All,
I've got my longerons and struts/braces #13, 14, and 15 in the jig, and I also
have a couple of questions. Since there will be gussets on both sides, is there
much benefit to glueing the butt joints? Also, I see that struts/braces 2
through 6 are made with 7/8" by 1" - yes, it would be a bit heavier, but would
it be OK to make them with 1" by 1"?
Thank you very much!
Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: A little ways off topic... |
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
Beautiful. Simply beautiful.
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Jun 9, 2011, at 6:03 PM, "Don Emch" wrote:
>
> I don't mean to get anyone too bored but I thought I might post a couple of videos
of our Chief that my dad and I recently restored. If you know my Piet you
might recognize the fact that I had some left over dope.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-wsbr18SbM
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6pNXDWVIxw
>
> I can't believe Brodhead is 6 weeks away! Planning to take the Piet up!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342548#342548
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "amsafetyc(at)aol.com" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
I am in the process of accumulating engine parts and rebuild bits. I am in
need of a set of cylender base wrenches for the Lycoming 0235
Does anyone have a set they would be willing to sell or loan out to me or
knows where I can acquire them.
Please contact me off list or by phone
215 208 8309
thanks
John
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| Subject: | Re: A little ways off topic... |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Sounds good to me Axel! Jack I kinda like the combination too, but I think I might
have worn it out now!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Two Fuse Questions |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I glued my gussets in place, but did not glue the butt joints. I doubt that it
would add much to the structure. As for the 1" x 1"... I can't see where it
would interfere with anything... perhaps someone else may shed some light on any
possible issues.
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Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A little ways off topic... |
Beautiful Don. Really Nice. I bet Jack likes the colors too.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
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Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 9, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Don Emch wrote:
>
> I don't mean to get anyone too bored but I thought I might post a
couple of videos of our Chief that my dad and I recently restored. If
you know my Piet you might recognize the fact that I had some left over
dope.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-wsbr18SbM
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6pNXDWVIxw
>
> I can't believe Brodhead is 6 weeks away! Planning to take the Piet
up!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342548#342548
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Two Fuse Questions |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
I have glued my butt joints whenever feasible, simply because more bonding is better.
But realistically speaking, there is minimal strength to be gained in the
process. The bulk of the strength will be carried by the gusset joints. When
you do glue the gussets in place, make sure you get full adhesive contact between
the gusset and the longerons/cross pieces.
As for substituting 1" x 1" for the 7/8" x 1", my question would be why do you
want to do that? It will be a little bit stronger and heavier, but the added strength
is unnecessary, and so is the weight. If it didn't make any difference,
then those pieces would be 1" x 1" in the plans. The load carried by that section
of the structure is a bit less, so the cross pieces can be made smaller.
Because extra weight (especially in the tail) is a no-no in building an aircraft,
it should be avoided whenever possible. Your plane will still fly if you
just use the 1" x 1", but it will fly BETTER if you follow the plans.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Two Fuse Questions |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Lowell,
I glued all the butt joints, but in my mind I had the same question. Don't
know the answer. If I were you I would plane those braces down to 7/8". Eve
ry little bit of weight eliminated is important.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: lowell23 <lowell23(at)msn.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:46 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Two Fuse Questions
Hi All,
've got my longerons and struts/braces #13, 14, and 15 in the jig, and I al
so
ave a couple of questions. Since there will be gussets on both sides, is t
here
uch benefit to glueing the butt joints? Also, I see that struts/braces 2
hrough 6 are made with 7/8" by 1" - yes, it would be a bit heavier, but wou
ld
t be OK to make them with 1" by 1"?
hank you very much!
owell
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Two Fuse Questions |
The benefit of glueing butt joints is that it seals the end grain. This is
good practice throughout the aircraft.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: <lowell23(at)msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 8:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Two Fuse Questions
>
>
> Hi All,
> I've got my longerons and struts/braces #13, 14, and 15 in the jig, and I
> also have a couple of questions. Since there will be gussets on both
> sides, is there much benefit to glueing the butt joints? Also, I see that
> struts/braces 2 through 6 are made with 7/8" by 1" - yes, it would be a
> bit heavier, but would it be OK to make them with 1" by 1"?
> Thank you very much!
> Lowell
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342561#342561
>
>
>
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? |
Steve:
I used to say; "All babies look alike." until I got whacked by too many
purses. Cute kid and "good show" for getting her started early. You can
start catching up on your sleep just as soon as you become an empty
nester.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "Steve Ruse" 6/9/2011 11:13 PM >>>
Being a Dad sure is fun, but I don't know how you other parents have time
to
build airplanes. I'm trying to figure out how to wean myself off sleep
entirely.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Welding Tabs On Aluminum Struts |
I will be using aluminum struts for my wings and wonder if welding on alumi
num tabs for the jury struts to attach to is a good...or bad...idea?- (al
l of which are 6160)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Welding Tabs On Aluminum Struts |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Michael,
As has been mentioned many times before, welding aluminum usually will weaken the
material in the weld zone. Specific alloys are affected differently, but in
the case of 6061, the strength gets reduced as much as 40% within 1" of the weld.
You probably don't want to be weakening your lift struts.
I would say that welding tabs to your aluminum struts would be classified as a
"bad" idea. Mechanical fastening should be fairly easy to do neatly.
Bill C.
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? |
Steve,
I tried putting a car seat up front once, but it wouldn't fit. It was
a forward facing seat - not one of those cradle-type, though.
Ear protection. Young kids that age need good ear protection. You
don't want to damage those sensitive little ear drums. They'll find
enough ways to ignore you later in life, you don't need to give them a
valid excuse. ;-)
Last summer I sat both of the girls (they were 3 at the time) in the
front seat, put ear muffs on 'em, and taxied around the airport. They
loved it and Sophie has been asking and asking and asking me and mom to
let her fly with me. Claire isn't so hopped up about it - she's more
tentative than her sister - but she has been talking herself into it.
I have to admit that the issue about them unbuckling themselves and
jumping out is a concern. For an older kid, say 3-4, I think the issue
could be solved by tying a swiss seat rappel harness
(http://www.wikihow.com/Tie-a-Swiss-Seat-Rappel-Harness) and then tie
the other end of the rope to your seat belt. Even if they unbuckled
themselves, they wouldn't be able to untie the knots or wiggle out of
the harness.
Don E. didn't take Ryan flying in his Piet until he was 5.
Gene R. started taking his son in his Travel Air when he was 7 or 8, IIRC.
Larry Vetter's brother took his daughter in his Piet when she was 3.
The girls are 4 and I hope I can convince mom to let me take them (one
at a time), this summer.
We'll see...
Good luck!
Dan
PS There is no building airplanes when you've got youngun's. I have no
idea how Don E. did it...
On 06/09/2011 11:51 PM, Andrew Eldredge wrote:
> The youngest I've taken was my son at almost 3 years old. The booster
> seat fit just fine. My wife was concerned that a kid could unbuckle
> themselves and leap out of the pit without me able to do much about it.
>
> Andrew Eldredge
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Steve Ruse > wrote:
>
> >
>
> ...because I might need to do that soon. :-)
>
> Sunday evening my wife and I took our five week old daughter (our
> first child) up for her first flight (in a Grumman, not the Piet).
> I've had my five year old nephew in the Piet and the harness
> wasn't near tight enough, so we taxied around for a while which he
> enjoyed. I hate to have to wait 7 or 8 years to put my little girl
> to fit in the GN-1, so I'm wondering if a car seat will fit up
> front. I'm also wondering if we have enough pillows that I could
> just stuff those around her and keep her from banging around too much.
>
> Also, if I do pull that off, I need suggestions on (#1) how to get
> my wife to let me back in the house and (#2) how to get her to ever
> leave me alone with the kid again. :)
>
> When my daughter was 9 days old she and I made my traditional weekly
> Saturday morning donut delivery to the pilot lounge at 1k4 (David
> Jay Perry airport in Goldsby, OK). However, we took the Saturn,
> rather than the GN-1 which is how I usually deliver the donuts.
>
> Being a Dad sure is fun, but I don't know how you other parents have
> time to build airplanes. I'm trying to figure out how to wean
> myself off sleep entirely.
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? |
On 06/10/2011 09:17 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
> *I used to say; "All babies look alike." until I got whacked by too many
> purses....
Or as Churchill observed, "I have discovered something wonderful. All
babies look just like me."
Owen
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| Subject: | Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Steve,
Weaning off of sleep is really a good method... just quitting cold turkey, not
so good. It took me about three years to really be weaned. I find that my airplane
time needs to be when Gretchen and the 4 kiddos would rather be sleeping.
Ryan loves to help me so that does help the situation. But for the most part
my prime airplane working time seems to be early morning, which unfortunately
means waking up around 3:30-4:00. But when you have an addiction likes this...ya
gotta do what ya gotta do...
As far as the kids flying, the older 3 so far have had their very first airplane
ride in the Piet at the age of 5. Momma didn't really know about the first
one until after, which was probably best. For the next two we agreed on 5 years
old. Abbey who is 4 is begging. Now that I have the Chief we might have to
break the 5 rule. I never have tried to use a car seat. One thing I was going
to do was to make an extra harness to hold them in there just in case they
got a crazy idea to unbuckle and try to climb out. I never did make it we just
practiced and talked about it a lot! I've never had a problem. Although I
wouldn't take another kid that young that I wasn't able to practice with a lot.
All in all the kids love it. I have them in a rotation in my logbook for who gets
to go next. Flying the kids out to breakfast and to flyins have been the
absolute high point of my 20 years of flying!
Don Emch
NX899DE
P.S. Frank Pavliga used to fly with his kids in the back pit with him! YIKES!!!
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| Subject: | Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! |
| From: | "cjborsuk" <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com> |
Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank you for all the
great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the methods received.
I am pleased with the results. This is a great list with a bunch of great people.
I could not do this without this resource and of course WestCoastPiet.com.
Chuck (in Raleigh)
989CB
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| Subject: | Re: Welding Tabs On Aluminum Struts |
| From: | mark lee <mlmarkelee7(at)gmail.com> |
I would advise against welding.The aluminum is going to lose to much
strength and the hardness will be all over the place.It will no longer be
6061 around the weld.This was a problem in early hang gliders.We tried wood
plugs but that quickly set up corrosion.Also you can get into weakening with
dissimilar metals causing corrosion. You might find out if there was
hardware manufactured for that strut material.Aluminum is great but be
careful how you use it.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> I will be using aluminum struts for my wings and wonder if welding on
> aluminum tabs for the jury struts to attach to is a good...or bad...idea?
> (all of which are 6160)
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! |
Nice looking work, Chuck. I am envious of your work space though.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "cjborsuk" 6/10/2011 10:36 AM >>>
Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank you for
all the great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the
methods received. I am pleased with the results. This is a great list with
a bunch of great people. I could not do this without this resource and of
course WestCoastPiet.com.
Chuck (in Raleigh)
989CB
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A little ways off topic... |
Great looking chief, Chief.- Look forward to seeing it in person, hopeful
ly this summer some time.
-
Shad
--- On Thu, 6/9/11, John Hofmann wrote:
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A little ways off topic...
Date: Thursday, June 9, 2011, 10:15 PM
Beautiful Don. Really Nice. I bet Jack likes the colors too.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email:-jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 9, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Don Emch wrote:
I don't mean to get anyone too bored but I thought I might post a couple of
videos of our Chief that my dad and I recently restored. -If you know my
Piet you might recognize the fact that I had some left over dope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-wsbr18SbM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6pNXDWVIxw
I can't believe Brodhead is 6 weeks away! -Planning to take the Piet up!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Looking real nice Chuck!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Life is Good |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
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| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Walkin the Golden West Fly-in Airshow with my grandson! No Piets...gotta do something
about that!
Gary
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
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| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Aircraft Spruce has them for sale if you cannot find any to borrow-
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/nutwrenchs2.php
These guys appear to rent them-
http://www.hangartoolbox.com/Tools/Cylinder/CylLycomingWide.aspx
Hope that helps.
[/u]
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Semper Fi,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? |
| From: | "rvanengen" <rvanengen(at)gmail.com> |
Both of my sons (age 3 and 6) are VERY eager to go up when the plane is done, only
precondition my wife has put is a BRS and seat belts. I like the idea of
a climbing harness, though!!
:D
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--Randall
N719VE
02xB || !02xB
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| Subject: | Re: Two Fuse Questions |
| From: | "lowell23(at)msn.com" <lowell23(at)msn.com> |
Thank you, everyone, for your great advice! I greatly appreciate all the tips,
tricks, and suggestions that come out here.
Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Beautiful. Nice shop!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Long Way from Home |
Tom
I have heard that there is a Piet at a museum in Bozeman and there is
also one in a museum in the Roundup area. That is the one that the Jr
HS girls did a couple of years ago.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM STINEMETZE
To: Matronics Pietenpol List
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 1:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Long Way from Home
Hey you guys.
My wife and I are taking a 40th anniversary trip next week to the
Bozeman, Montana region. Are there any Air Campers or Sky Scouts near
there that I could go visit? My wife is pretty lenient about such
things.
Thanks,
Tom Stinemetze
N328X - finally up on gear
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! |
Chuck,
Did you drop the seat or raise the fuselage sides or is it just a trick
of the camera? Your shoulders are below the top of the turtledeck...
Dan
On 06/10/2011 10:36 AM, cjborsuk wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "cjborsuk"
>
> Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank you for all the
great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the methods received.
I am pleased with the results. This is a great list with a bunch of great
people. I could not do this without this resource and of course WestCoastPiet.com.
>
> Chuck (in Raleigh)
> 989CB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342618#342618
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small4_103.jpg
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! |
Looking really good, Chuck! Are you going to make it to Brodhead this year?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 11:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory!
Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank you for all
the great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the methods
received. I am pleased with the results. This is a great list with a bunch
of great people. I could not do this without this resource and of course
WestCoastPiet.com.
Chuck (in Raleigh)
989CB
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Be advised, pretty sure the O-290's do not use the internal socket cylinder
base nuts, so that particular set from ACS would not be applicable...
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:29 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
> Aircraft Spruce has them for sale if you cannot find any to borrow-
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/nutwrenchs2.php
>
> These guys appear to rent them-
>
> http://www.hangartoolbox.com/Tools/Cylinder/CylLycomingWide.aspx
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> [/u]
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342642#342642
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Taking a closer look at the photos, the pilot's seat does appear to be lower than
the plans indicate. Hopefully there's enough room for the torque tube and cables
to fit under there without interference.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! |
| From: | "cjborsuk" <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com> |
Bill - Good eye. I did lower the seat. The opening in the front is right at 3"
as called for in the plans. I have not epoxied the seat in yet, and might not
until I make sure all the controls fit. The seat back is set back 3 inches from
the plans and the turtle deck is raised 2 inches. I am not the biggest guy,
but the size and leg room feel great.
Jack - I would love to make it to Brodhead this year, but right now I don't think
it will happen.
Chuck
989CB
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| Subject: | Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Very nice Chuck.......... the genuine grin says it all...............
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I can vouch for Don's "5 Year Old" rule... although he is speaking of HIS kids,
he took my son (Tyler) up at Brodhead when he was 5 years old. I think Tyler
will remember that forever... I know I will.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? |
Please keep in mind=2C while you are making it impossible to unbuckle and g
et out=2C if there was an accident=2C I would never want to think that they
could not unbuckle and get out of a burning airplane if I was incapacitate
d. The first time we took Will flying in the Travel Air=2C at around 3=2C
he was trying to get out to wingwalk "like Waldo" (his favorite movie!). T
hank goodness it has a two-place front seat and Karen was there to prevent
it. My personal vote would be that if the child is young enough for you to
be afraid they might unbuckle and get out=2C they are too young to fly alo
ne. No one should ever be constrained so that they could not escape.
My 2 cents=2C
Gene
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet?
> From: EmchAir(at)aol.com
> Date: Fri=2C 10 Jun 2011 08:19:35 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Steve=2C
>
> Weaning off of sleep is really a good method... just quitting cold turkey
=2C not so good. It took me about three years to really be weaned. I find t
hat my airplane time needs to be when Gretchen and the 4 kiddos would rathe
r be sleeping. Ryan loves to help me so that does help the situation. But f
or the most part my prime airplane working time seems to be early morning
=2C which unfortunately means waking up around 3:30-4:00. But when you have
an addiction likes this...ya gotta do what ya gotta do...
>
> As far as the kids flying=2C the older 3 so far have had their very first
airplane ride in the Piet at the age of 5. Momma didn't really know about
the first one until after=2C which was probably best. For the next two we a
greed on 5 years old. Abbey who is 4 is begging. Now that I have the Chief
we might have to break the 5 rule. I never have tried to use a car seat. On
e thing I was going to do was to make an extra harness to hold them in ther
e just in case they got a crazy idea to unbuckle and try to climb out. I ne
ver did make it we just practiced and talked about it a lot! I've never had
a problem. Although I wouldn't take another kid that young that I wasn't a
ble to practice with a lot.
>
> All in all the kids love it. I have them in a rotation in my logbook for
who gets to go next. Flying the kids out to breakfast and to flyins have be
en the absolute high point of my 20 years of flying!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
> P.S. Frank Pavliga used to fly with his kids in the back pit with him! YI
KES!!!
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342614#342614
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? |
as for the statement about me=2C nope=2C he JUST turned 7. he has been fly
ing in the Travel Air since 3. By himself at 6. Going to the fly-in next
weekend at Matt Paxton's alone with me=2C first time.
> Date: Fri=2C 10 Jun 2011 08:48:41 -0500
> From: yocum(at)fnal.gov
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet?
>
>
> Steve=2C
>
> I tried putting a car seat up front once=2C but it wouldn't fit. It was
> a forward facing seat - not one of those cradle-type=2C though.
>
> Ear protection. Young kids that age need good ear protection. You
> don't want to damage those sensitive little ear drums. They'll find
> enough ways to ignore you later in life=2C you don't need to give them a
> valid excuse. =3B-)
>
> Last summer I sat both of the girls (they were 3 at the time) in the
> front seat=2C put ear muffs on 'em=2C and taxied around the airport. They
> loved it and Sophie has been asking and asking and asking me and mom to
> let her fly with me. Claire isn't so hopped up about it - she's more
> tentative than her sister - but she has been talking herself into it.
>
> I have to admit that the issue about them unbuckling themselves and
> jumping out is a concern. For an older kid=2C say 3-4=2C I think the issu
e
> could be solved by tying a swiss seat rappel harness
> (http://www.wikihow.com/Tie-a-Swiss-Seat-Rappel-Harness) and then tie
> the other end of the rope to your seat belt. Even if they unbuckled
> themselves=2C they wouldn't be able to untie the knots or wiggle out of
> the harness.
>
> Don E. didn't take Ryan flying in his Piet until he was 5.
>
> Gene R. started taking his son in his Travel Air when he was 7 or 8=2C II
RC.
>
> Larry Vetter's brother took his daughter in his Piet when she was 3.
>
> The girls are 4 and I hope I can convince mom to let me take them (one
> at a time)=2C this summer.
>
> We'll see...
>
> Good luck!
> Dan
>
>
> PS There is no building airplanes when you've got youngun's. I have no
> idea how Don E. did it...
>
>
>
>
>
> On 06/09/2011 11:51 PM=2C Andrew Eldredge wrote:
> > The youngest I've taken was my son at almost 3 years old. The booster
> > seat fit just fine. My wife was concerned that a kid could unbuckle
> > themselves and leap out of the pit without me able to do much about it.
> >
> > Andrew Eldredge
> >
> > On Thu=2C Jun 9=2C 2011 at 10:13 PM=2C Steve Ruse > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > ...because I might need to do that soon. :-)
> >
> > Sunday evening my wife and I took our five week old daughter (our
> > first child) up for her first flight (in a Grumman=2C not the Piet).
> > I've had my five year old nephew in the Piet and the harness
> > wasn't near tight enough=2C so we taxied around for a while which he
> > enjoyed. I hate to have to wait 7 or 8 years to put my little girl
> > to fit in the GN-1=2C so I'm wondering if a car seat will fit up
> > front. I'm also wondering if we have enough pillows that I could
> > just stuff those around her and keep her from banging around too much.
> >
> > Also=2C if I do pull that off=2C I need suggestions on (#1) how to get
> > my wife to let me back in the house and (#2) how to get her to ever
> > leave me alone with the kid again. :)
> >
> > When my daughter was 9 days old she and I made my traditional weekly
> > Saturday morning donut delivery to the pilot lounge at 1k4 (David
> > Jay Perry airport in Goldsby=2C OK). However=2C we took the Saturn=2C
> > rather than the GN-1 which is how I usually deliver the donuts.
> >
> > Being a Dad sure is fun=2C but I don't know how you other parents have
> > time to build airplanes. I'm trying to figure out how to wean
> > myself off sleep entirely.
> >
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov=2C http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! |
Looks great Chuck! It will be more comfortable if you trim those stringers
a bit.
Jack
DSM
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Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 10:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory!
Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank you for all
the great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the methods
received. I am pleased with the results. This is a great list with a bunch
of great people. I could not do this without this resource and of course
WestCoastPiet.com.
Chuck (in Raleigh)
989CB
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| Subject: | Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
This guy's shoulders are quite low in the fuse also. I know this guy. He bu
ild his airplane per plans, like Bernerd intended.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Sent: Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory!
Chuck,
Did you drop the seat or raise the fuselage sides or is it just a trick
f the camera? Your shoulders are below the top of the turtledeck...
Dan
n 06/10/2011 10:36 AM, cjborsuk wrote:
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l
he great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the methods
eceived. I am pleased with the results. This is a great list with a bunch o
f
reat people. I could not do this without this resource and of course
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Chuck (in Raleigh)
989CB
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Right now I have a 2 blade warp drive on my corvair powered pietenpol. What kind
of performance would I get with a 3 blade prop? Gardiner
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| From: | Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! |
Nice work Chuck. Are you anywhere Lake Ridge?
Ryan M
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From: cjborsuk <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 11:36:13 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory!
Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank you for all the
great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the methods received.
I
am pleased with the results. This is a great list with a bunch of great people.
I could not do this without this resource and of course WestCoastPiet.com.
Chuck (in Raleigh)
989CB
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| Subject: | Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
I was at the Frasca Fly-In at Urbana, IL today, and saw and orange WACO bipe fly
in with a child car seat strapped into the front cockpit. I wasn't close enough
to see if there was a child in the car seat or not. But as Gene mentioned,
I'd be worried about getting them out if something appened...
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Will a children's car seat fit in a Piet? |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Here's a picture of the car seat in the front cockpit of the WACO. It's the best
one I got, I got this one in between two low-level/ high-speed passes of Frasca's
FM-2 Wildcat.
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
With camera in hand I went and had a look at the Pietenpol Scout living in the
next suburb from me! It has a Salmson AD9 9 cylinder radial engine. If its of
any interest I have some more pics but wont load them up if no one wants.
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 26 Ribs built...
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! |
Very cool! I always thought that engine looked like a little jewel.
There's an E-2 Cub at Brodhead with one of those engines on it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 7:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia!
With camera in hand I went and had a look at the Pietenpol Scout living in
the next suburb from me! It has a Salmson AD9 9 cylinder radial engine. If
its of any interest I have some more pics but wont load them up if no one
wants.
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! |
Agree with Jack. Very cool.
And Scotty, if you happen to make it back down there, please get some pictures
of that step if you don't mind. Looks like it has a flap and I would love to
know it's inner workings. How the flap was made,,,,how and if it "retracts" when
you step into it, etc.
And thanks for the pics!
Jim
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>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Jun 11, 2011 8:37 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia!
>
>
>Very cool! I always thought that engine looked like a little jewel.
>There's an E-2 Cub at Brodhead with one of those engines on it.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
>Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy
>Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 7:16 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia!
>
>
>
>With camera in hand I went and had a look at the Pietenpol Scout living in
>the next suburb from me! It has a Salmson AD9 9 cylinder radial engine. If
>its of any interest I have some more pics but wont load them up if no one
>wants.
>
>--------
>Scotty
>
>Tamworth, Australia
>Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
>www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
>Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 26 Ribs built...
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
It's my understanding that the only reason the designers of a airplane
stipulate a 3- or 4-bladed prop is that the ground clearance is not
sufficient for a 2-bladed prop. In fact there was a lot or research done in
the 40's and 50's (I think) on a single-bladed prop to try to get better
efficiency. It didn't work out probably because of an unbalance situation.
The more blades rotating in disturbed air the less efficient the prop. So
putting a 3-blade prop on your Piet would probably reduce the performance.
As one on the list says, "My 2 cents."
----- Original Message -----
From: "airlion" <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 8:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop
>
> Right now I have a 2 blade warp drive on my corvair powered pietenpol.
> What kind
> of performance would I get with a 3 blade prop? Gardiner
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Scotty,
Sure, if you have more photos, please post them.
Very interesting looking plane, with an interesting engine.
Here's a link to a photo of what the Salmson could look like if it were cleaned
up.
http://skagitaero.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/DSC_0018.jpg
Bill C.
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Ohio Pietenpol Gathering june 18 update |
I just remembered, I need to let the people flying in for the Piet gatherin
g, the identifier has changed here.- On old sectionals (not that anyone w
ould ever use one of those!) it was OH71, now it should be marked as OH0(os
car-hotel-zero), which is the dumbest ident I can think of, an o and a zero
in the same 3 character ident?- And it is supposed- to be changed agai
n sometime in the near future to 6CM, but probably not before the fly-in.
- So look for Chapman Memorial Field, in Centerburg Ohio, fss will probab
ly still have it as OH0.
-
1 week left,
Shad
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
Charles,
-
Much agreed. When speaking with the manufacturer (Warp Drive) I discussed m
any of the same issues between two blade verses three blade. The overall ou
t come of the conversation - if you want a smoother prop and a quiet prop,
three blade is your answer. The tractor cut through the air is more efficen
t with a two blade prop than a three blade prop. However, even based on the
adjustable pitch you get a some differences but more on the smoothness tha
n bite through the air.
-
Also, in my experiences between using the three blade verses the two blade,
the three blade prop acts much like and air brake when you throttle back s
o make sure you are over the fence line as it will decrease your speed in a
hurry. My .02 cents worth....
KMHeide
-
--- On Sat, 6/11/11, Charles Campbell wrote:
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: prop
Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 10:09 AM
ream.net>
It's my understanding that the only reason the designers of a airplane stip
ulate a 3- or 4-bladed prop is that the ground clearance is not sufficient
for a 2-bladed prop.- In fact there was a lot or research done in the 40'
s and 50's (I think) on a single-bladed prop to try to get better efficienc
y.- It didn't work out probably because of an unbalance situation. The mo
re blades rotating in disturbed air the less efficient the prop.- So putt
ing a 3-blade prop on your Piet would probably reduce the performance. As o
ne on the list says, "My 2 cents."
----- Original Message -----
From: "airlion" <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 8:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop
>
> Right now I have a 2 blade warp drive on my corvair powered pietenpol. Wh
at kind
> of performance would I get with a 3 blade prop?- Gardiner
>
>
>
>
>
le, List Admin.
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
An excerpt from a post William just put up on the Corvaircraft list:
"BTW, I am willing to bet that no direct drive corvair will ever perform
better with a three blade than
a two blade prop. A number of people have asked about this reciently. The
primary thing people in light aircraft
are seeking with 3 blade props is smoothness out of a for cylinder engine.
Since we already have smoothness,
there is nothing to be gained, so keep looking at two blades for
performance. Notice that Glassair IIIs with
six cylinder 540cid Lycomings always have two blade props, but the Galssair
IIs with 360 cid four cylinder engines
mostly have three blades. Smoothness vs performance."
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2011, at 9:27 AM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
wrote:
Charles,
Much agreed. When speaking with the manufacturer (Warp Drive) I discussed
many of the same issues between two blade verses three blade. The overall
out come of the conversation - if you want a smoother prop and a quiet prop,
three blade is your answer. The tractor cut through the air is more efficent
with a two blade prop than a three blade prop. However, even based on the
adjustable pitch you get a some differences but more on the smoothness than
bite through the air.
Also, in my experiences between using the three blade verses the two blade,
the three blade prop acts much like and air brake when you throttle back so
make sure you are over the fence line as it will decrease your speed in a
hurry. My .02 cents worth....
KMHeide
*
*
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--- On *Sat, 6/11/11, Charles Campbell * wrote:
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: prop
Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 10:09 AM
cncampbell@windstream.net<http://us.mc1615.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cncampbell@windstream.net>
>
It's my understanding that the only reason the designers of a airplane
stipulate a 3- or 4-bladed prop is that the ground clearance is not
sufficient for a 2-bladed prop. In fact there was a lot or research done in
the 40's and 50's (I think) on a single-bladed prop to try to get better
efficiency. It didn't work out probably because of an unbalance situation.
The more blades rotating in disturbed air the less efficient the prop. So
putting a 3-blade prop on your Piet would probably reduce the performance.
As one on the list says, "My 2 cents."
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From: "airlion"
http://us.mc1615.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=airlion@bellsouth.net>
>
>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 8:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop
>
>
> Right now I have a 2 blade warp drive on my corvair powered pietenpol.
What kind
> of performance would I get with a 3 blade prop? Gardiner
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| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
For Dan,
Here is a photo of a four bladed prop on a Vickers Vimy. It is from a recent visit
to the RAF Museum in London.
It is a beautifully carved prop, so maybe it will motivate you. I would love to
see it if you ever decide to do one.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Thanks for all the inputs. 3 Blades sure do look good though. Gardiner
________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, June 11, 2011 5:16:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: prop
An excerpt from a post William just put up on the Corvaircraft list:
"BTW, I am willing to bet that no direct drive corvair will ever perform better
with a three blade than
a two blade prop. A number of people have asked about this reciently. The
primary thing people in light aircraft
are seeking with 3 blade props is smoothness out of a for cylinder engine. Since
we already have smoothness,
there is nothing to be gained, so keep looking at two blades for performance.
Notice that Glassair IIIs with
six cylinder 540cid Lycomings always have two blade props, but the Galssair IIs
with 360 cid four cylinder engines
mostly have three blades. Smoothness vs performance."
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2011, at 9:27 AM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote:
Charles,
>
>Much agreed. When speaking with the manufacturer (Warp Drive) I discussed many
>of the same issues between two blade verses three blade. The overall out come
of
>the conversation - if you want a smoother prop and a quiet prop, three blade is
>your answer. The tractor cut through the air is more efficent with a two blade
>prop than a three blade prop. However, even based on the adjustable pitch you
>get a some differences but more on the smoothness than bite through the air.
>
>
>Also, in my experiences between using the three blade verses the two blade, the
>three blade prop acts much like and air brake when you throttle back so make
>sure you are over the fence line as it will decrease your speed in a hurry. My
>.02 cents worth....
>
>KMHeide
>
>
>--- On Sat, 6/11/11, Charles Campbell wrote:
>
>
>>From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: prop
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 10:09 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>It's my understanding that the only reason the designers of a airplane stipulate
>>a 3- or 4-bladed prop is that the ground clearance is not sufficient for a
>>2-bladed prop. In fact there was a lot or research done in the 40's and 50's
(I
>>think) on a single-bladed prop to try to get better efficiency. It didn't work
>>out probably because of an unbalance situation. The more blades rotating in
>>disturbed air the less efficient the prop. So putting a 3-blade prop on your
>>Piet would probably reduce the performance. As one on the list says, "My 2
>>cents."
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "airlion" <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
>>To:
>>Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 8:42 PM
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Right now I have a 2 blade warp drive on my corvair powered pietenpol. What
>>>kind
>>> of performance would I get with a 3 blade prop? Gardiner
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Wow Terry, That is one gorgeous prop. If I ever get around to it, I'll for
sure try to make it to Brodhead, God willing. This is just a dream at this
point., but then again my whole airplane was just a dream also.............
...
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2011 5:15 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop
ail.com>
For Dan,
Here is a photo of a four bladed prop on a Vickers Vimy. It is from a recen
t
isit to the RAF Museum in London.
It is a beautifully carved prop, so maybe it will motivate you. I would lov
e to
ee it if you ever decide to do one.
--------
emper Fi,
Terry
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Welding Tabs On Aluminum Struts |
Understood. I would assume then that drilling a hole through the stru for an eye
bolt is not a good idea either? If true, then I will try making staps to wrap
around the strut to attach the jury to.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Aluminum struts- sort of related to Mike's post |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Here are a couple of photos I found of my AL struts. Thought I would throw
them out there in case they might help somebody.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
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From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2011 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Welding Tabs On Aluminum Struts
et>
Understood. I would assume then that drilling a hole through the stru for a
n eye
olt is not a good idea either? If true, then I will try making staps to wra
p
round the strut to attach the jury to.
Michael Perez
aretaker Aero
ww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory! |
That's one handsome fellow. And he's got a great first name!
;-)
Say, where did you get that spiffy helmet? I don't like mine very much
- it sits too high on my head and isn't snug around my forehead.
Thanks,
Dan
On 06/10/2011 07:15 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> This guy's shoulders are quite low in the fuse also. I know this guy. He
> build his airplane /per plans/, like Bernerd intended.
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:14 pm
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory!
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum>
>
> Chuck,
>
> Did you drop the seat or raise the fuselage sides or is it just a trick
> of the camera? Your shoulders are below the top of the turtledeck...
>
> Dan
>
>
> On 06/10/2011 10:36 AM, cjborsuk wrote:
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "cjborsuk">
>>
>> Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank you for all
> the great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the methods
> received. I am pleased with the results. This is a great list with a bunch of
> great people. I could not do this without this resource and of course
> WestCoastPiet.com.
>>
>> Chuck (in Raleigh)
>> 989CB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342618#342618
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | AeroInject (aka AeroCarb) on a Continental? |
Does anyone have any experience with an AeroInjector on a Continental
engine?
Thanks,
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Leather flying helmet, was Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane |
Factory!
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Dan,
Try this place Popsleather.com. Santiago and I found them in the flymarket
at OSH a few years ago. Unbelievable low prices and great quality. They sai
d every piece was made to order in Turkey. BTW it doesn't look like the pri
ce has gone up since I bought mine. To my eye the quality is superb and I a
m very happy with mine.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2011 10:10 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory!
That's one handsome fellow. And he's got a great first name!
;-)
Say, where did you get that spiffy helmet? I don't like mine very much
it sits too high on my head and isn't snug around my forehead.
Thanks,
an
n 06/10/2011 07:15 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
This guy's shoulders are quite low in the fuse also. I know this guy. He
build his airplane /per plans/, like Bernerd intended.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane Factory!
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum>
Chuck,
Did you drop the seat or raise the fuselage sides or is it just a trick
of the camera? Your shoulders are below the top of the turtledeck...
Dan
On 06/10/2011 10:36 AM, cjborsuk wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "cjborsuk">
>
> Sat in my AirCamper yesterday for the first time! All big thank you for
all
the great advice on the turtle deck. I used a combination of the methods
received. I am pleased with the results. This is a great list with a bunch
of
great people. I could not do this without this resource and of course
WestCoastPiet.com.
>
> Chuck (in Raleigh)
> 989CB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342618#342618
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_6_9_11_small4_103.jpg
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
When he asked about performance I figured he wanted to know if the plane
would perform better -- not sound quieter. I never even considered the
noise. Most people want their airplane to be LOUD. :>)
----- Original Message -----
From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: prop
Charles,
Much agreed. When speaking with the manufacturer (Warp Drive) I
discussed many of the same issues between two blade verses three blade.
The overall out come of the conversation - if you want a smoother prop
and a quiet prop, three blade is your answer. The tractor cut through
the air is more efficent with a two blade prop than a three blade prop.
However, even based on the adjustable pitch you get a some differences
but more on the smoothness than bite through the air.
Also, in my experiences between using the three blade verses the
two blade, the three blade prop acts much like and air brake when you
throttle back so make sure you are over the fence line as it will
decrease your speed in a hurry. My .02 cents worth....
KMHeide
--- On Sat, 6/11/11, Charles Campbell
wrote:
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: prop
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 10:09 AM
It's my understanding that the only reason the designers of a
airplane stipulate a 3- or 4-bladed prop is that the ground clearance is
not sufficient for a 2-bladed prop. In fact there was a lot or research
done in the 40's and 50's (I think) on a single-bladed prop to try to
get better efficiency. It didn't work out probably because of an
unbalance situation. The more blades rotating in disturbed air the less
efficient the prop. So putting a 3-blade prop on your Piet would
probably reduce the performance. As one on the list says, "My 2 cents."
----- Original Message -----
From: "airlion" <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
To:
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 8:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop
>
> Right now I have a 2 blade warp drive on my corvair powered
pietenpol. What kind
> of performance would I get with a 3 blade prop? Gardiner
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Here are more of the pics I took.
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 28 Ribs built...
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342778#342778
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1299_480x640_187.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
...and more...
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 28 Ribs built...
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| Subject: | Seat back question |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Last night
(way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the position
of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in the fuse,
and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied.
My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces epoxied/nailed
to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the passenger cockpit.
Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and from my Oshkosh pics
last year) show the braces on the back-side of the plywood and inside the pilot's
cockpit. More pictures from various sources show it both ways. This leads
me to believe it probably doesn't matter, but. . . to plans, the braces go
in front (in the passenger cockpit), right? Is there an advantage or disadvantage
to either or does it just mean there are as many nuances to each Piet as
there are builders?
Thanks.
Tom
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Seat back question |
Tom,
The short answer is : it just doesn't matter. I put mine on the back,
thinking that those braces would be uncomfortable for the front cockpit
passenger. But unless that person is VERY strangely built, they would never
touch the braces. Do as you wish. If you are a purist, put them where the
plans show them.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
tdudley(at)umn.edu
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Last
night (way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the
position of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in
the fuse, and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied.
My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces
epoxied/nailed to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the
passenger cockpit. Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and
from my Oshkosh pics last year) show the braces on the back-side of the
plywood and inside the pilot's cockpit. More pictures from various sources
show it both ways. This leads me to believe it probably doesn't matter,
but. . . to plans, the braces go in front (in the passenger cockpit), right?
Is there an advantage or disadvantage to either or does it just mean there
are as many nuances to each Piet as there are builders?
Thanks.
Tom
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342783#342783
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
Tom,
Mine is not flying, yet, but as Jack said, and as you have mentioned, either
seems acceptable (unless one is a Purist!). Hopefully, you can open the
attached, which is a close-up of Charlie Miller's Piet. I apologize for not
having a better picture, but down at the far left bottom, you can just see
the corner of the nicely done seat-back padding that Charlie installed. It
fits well between those braces.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 9:06 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
Tom,
The short answer is : it just doesn't matter. I put mine on the back,
thinking that those braces would be uncomfortable for the front cockpit
passenger. But unless that person is VERY strangely built, they would never
touch the braces. Do as you wish. If you are a purist, put them where the
plans show them.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
tdudley(at)umn.edu
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Last
night (way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the
position of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in
the fuse, and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied.
My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces
epoxied/nailed to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the
passenger cockpit. Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and
from my Oshkosh pics last year) show the braces on the back-side of the
plywood and inside the pilot's cockpit. More pictures from various sources
show it both ways. This leads me to believe it probably doesn't matter,
but. . . to plans, the braces go in front (in the passenger cockpit), right?
Is there an advantage or disadvantage to either or does it just mean there
are as many nuances to each Piet as there are builders?
Thanks.
Tom
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342783#342783
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Thanks for the input. I don't know that I consider myself a "purist", exactly;
truth is, I've never done anything like this and I'm more concerned about doing
something incorrectly and not being able to easily fix it. I'd hate to glue
the spacers in and find out a few weeks from now that they might interfere with
a cable or metal fitting or something else.
As a newbie to the list I try more to read and learn from all the "old hands" and
I appreciate the help. (I've groaned at more than one of the questions I've
asked, myself.)
Anyway, thanks again. I've included a few pics of the roughed-in seat back and
spacers. (Now maybe someone can tell me how to make the pictures smaller so
they are easier to see!)
Tom
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| From: | "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! |
Scotty,
I would certainly appreciate more photos, since I am slowly building a Sky
Scout. You can send them to me directly at: Raykrause(at)frontiernet.net.
Thanks for the effort, sure do appreciate it.
Thanks and fly SAFELY,
Ray Krause
Waiex 51YX, Jabiru 3300 (1197), Sensenich wood prop, AeroCarb (#2 needle
modified), Dynon D-180, Garmin SL 30 NavCom, Garmin 327 transponder, Garmin
Aera 560, nav and strobe lights: 246 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 4:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia!
>
>
> With camera in hand I went and had a look at the Pietenpol Scout living in
> the next suburb from me! It has a Salmson AD9 9 cylinder radial engine. If
> its of any interest I have some more pics but wont load them up if no one
> wants.
>
> --------
> Scotty
>
> Tamworth, Australia
> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
> www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
> Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 26 Ribs built...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342710#342710
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1328_640x480_206.jpg
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1298_640x480_550.jpg
>
>
>
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| From: | steve emo <steve.emo58(at)gmail.com> |
Charles,
I've spent a lot of time lately studying prop design and selection. I my
opinion the first things is to transfer as much horsepower from the engine
to thrust. Thrust is life. To do that it depends on the fundamental
parameters: engine speed, prop diameter, and aircraft speed. Without going
into the physics and math babble lets just leave it at these 3 terms define
the advance ratio and a compressibility limitation. Now with that said you
need to look at the prop diameter with great care. This is the most
important factor. Lift is a function of the velocity squared. The
efficiency is greatly affected by the diameter. You want to swing the prop
tip as fast as possible - but within some practical limits - for wood 850
ft/s - for metal 950 ft/s to 1050 ft/s. As a rule of thumb you will suffer
a 30-50% reduction in thrust by a 20% reduction in diameter. Basically you
will be burning gas and making engine noise to spin a funny shaped
flywheel. I recently went through a design for an old OX-5 that will
consume 90HP bu only deliver 45HP because the wood prop is 20in shorter that
the system would ideally want. But it'll sound great!
Three blades makes more sense with increased aircraft speed, decreased
ground clearance, and increased engine RPM, or some combination of these
factors. As with all things it is a compromise. If you want max thrust
out of your engine you must have the tip speed near their limits.
Steve
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Charles Campbell wrote:
> When he asked about performance I figured he wanted to know if the plane
> would perform better -- not sound quieter. I never even considered the
> noise. Most people want their airplane to be LOUD. :>)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 11, 2011 12:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: prop
>
> Charles,
>
> Much agreed. When speaking with the manufacturer (Warp Drive) I discussed
> many of the same issues between two blade verses three blade. The overall
> out come of the conversation - if you want a smoother prop and a quiet prop,
> three blade is your answer. The tractor cut through the air is more efficent
> with a two blade prop than a three blade prop. However, even based on the
> adjustable pitch you get a some differences but more on the smoothness than
> bite through the air.
>
> Also, in my experiences between using the three blade verses the two blade,
> the three blade prop acts much like and air brake when you throttle back so
> make sure you are over the fence line as it will decrease your speed in a
> hurry. My .02 cents worth....
>
> KMHeide
> *
> *
> **
>
>
> --- On *Sat, 6/11/11, Charles Campbell * wrote:
>
>
> From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: prop
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 10:09 AM
>
> cncampbell@windstream.net<http://us.mc1615.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cncampbell@windstream.net>
> >
>
> It's my understanding that the only reason the designers of a airplane
> stipulate a 3- or 4-bladed prop is that the ground clearance is not
> sufficient for a 2-bladed prop. In fact there was a lot or research done in
> the 40's and 50's (I think) on a single-bladed prop to try to get better
> efficiency. It didn't work out probably because of an unbalance situation.
> The more blades rotating in disturbed air the less efficient the prop. So
> putting a 3-blade prop on your Piet would probably reduce the performance.
> As one on the list says, "My 2 cents."
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "airlion" <airlion@bellsouth.net<http://us.mc1615.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=airlion@bellsouth.net>
> >
> To: http://us.mc1615.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> >
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 8:42 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop
>
>
> >
> >
> > Right now I have a 2 blade warp drive on my corvair powered pietenpol.
> What kind
> > of performance would I get with a 3 blade prop? Gardiner
> >
> >
> >
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| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
John I made my wrenches by heating and bending regular wrenches and when I got
them shaped like I wanted them then I "shade tree" heat treated them so they wouldn't
bend. Worked for me.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Tom,
Being a devout purist, I feel compelled to weigh-in. I can only assume that
the great BHP must have had a reason to put those braces on the inside. (O
f course, that is the way I did it). We may never discover these reasons. (
Note to self; look more carefully at the lost BHP papers at the next schedu
led opening) . It is not for us to question, only to do.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sun, Jun 12, 2011 11:08 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
et>
Tom,
The short answer is : it just doesn't matter. I put mine on the back,
hinking that those braces would be uncomfortable for the front cockpit
assenger. But unless that person is VERY strangely built, they would never
ouch the braces. Do as you wish. If you are a purist, put them where the
lans show them.
Jack Phillips
X899JP "Icarus Plummet"
mith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
rom: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dudley(at)umn.edu
ent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:40 AM
o: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
ubject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Las
t
ight (way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the
osition of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in
he fuse, and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied.
My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces
poxied/nailed to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the
assenger cockpit. Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and
rom my Oshkosh pics last year) show the braces on the back-side of the
lywood and inside the pilot's cockpit. More pictures from various sources
how it both ways. This leads me to believe it probably doesn't matter,
ut. . . to plans, the braces go in front (in the passenger cockpit), right?
s there an advantage or disadvantage to either or does it just mean there
re as many nuances to each Piet as there are builders?
Thanks.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
| From: | mark lee <mlmarkelee7(at)gmail.com> |
Would the placement of the braces as plan spec,allowed for some seat back
padding.
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:48 PM, wrote:
> Tom,
>
> Being a devout purist, I feel compelled to weigh-in. I can only assume that
> the great BHP must have had a reason to put those braces on the inside. (Of
> course, that is the way I did it). We may never discover these reasons.
> (Note to self; look more carefully at the lost BHP papers at the next
> scheduled opening) . It is not for us to question, only to do.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Sun, Jun 12, 2011 11:08 am
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
>
>
> Tom,
>
> The short answer is : it just doesn't matter. I put mine on the back,
> thinking that those braces would be uncomfortable for the front cockpit
> passenger. But unless that person is VERY strangely built, they would never
> touch the braces. Do as you wish. If you are a purist, put them where the
> plans show them.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Oftdudley(at)umn.edu
> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:40 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
>
>
> Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Last
> night (way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the
> position of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in
> the fuse, and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied.
>
> My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces
> epoxied/nailed to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the
> passenger cockpit. Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and
> from my Oshkosh pics last year) show the braces on the back-side of the
> plywood and inside the pilot's cockpit. More pictures from various sources
> show it both ways. This leads me to believe it probably doesn't matter,
> but. . . to plans, the braces go in front (in the passenger cockpit), right?
> Is there an advantage or disadvantage to either or does it just mean there
> are as many nuances to each Piet as there are builders?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tom
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
| From: | mark lee <mlmarkelee7(at)gmail.com> |
Let me put it another way.If the braces were to form a shallow pan to hold a
thin pad in place it would make a lot of sense to me.
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:35 PM, mark lee wrote:
> Would the placement of the braces as plan spec,allowed for some seat back
> padding.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:48 PM, wrote:
>
>> Tom,
>>
>> Being a devout purist, I feel compelled to weigh-in. I can only assume
>> that the great BHP must have had a reason to put those braces on the inside.
>> (Of course, that is the way I did it). We may never discover these reasons.
>> (Note to self; look more carefully at the lost BHP papers at the next
>> scheduled opening) . It is not for us to question, only to do.
>>
>> Dan Helsper
>> Puryear, TN
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>> To: pietenpol-list
>> Sent: Sun, Jun 12, 2011 11:08 am
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
>>
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> The short answer is : it just doesn't matter. I put mine on the back,
>> thinking that those braces would be uncomfortable for the front cockpit
>> passenger. But unless that person is VERY strangely built, they would never
>> touch the braces. Do as you wish. If you are a purist, put them where the
>> plans show them.
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Oftdudley(at)umn.edu
>> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 11:40 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
>>
>>
>> Hey all, just a question about construction of the plywood seat backs. Last
>> night (way too late) I measured and cut the front seat back and outlined the
>> position of the 1" X 1/2" spruce spacers. The plywood back fits nicely in
>> the fuse, and I planned to cut the spacers out today and get things epoxied.
>>
>> My plan (and according to the plans as I interpret them) show the braces
>> epoxied/nailed to the front of the seat back and therefore are in the
>> passenger cockpit. Of course, the first picture I looked at on-line (and
>> from my Oshkosh pics last year) show the braces on the back-side of the
>> plywood and inside the pilot's cockpit. More pictures from various sources
>> show it both ways. This leads me to believe it probably doesn't matter,
>> but. . . to plans, the braces go in front (in the passenger cockpit), right?
>> Is there an advantage or disadvantage to either or does it just mean there
>> are as many nuances to each Piet as there are builders?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342783#342783
>>
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
Jerry
I thought of doing thet if I couldn't find a set but I really hate bending
up my wrenches, I guess I could have gone to HF for a set of their rubber
wrenches and bend them up. But if I can borrow a set all the better and if
not I'll buy a real set.or bend me some new hf specials.
Thanks
John
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
Tom, Your work looks great. You may want to consider cutting the top of the
pilot leg holes higher. Almost for sure you will want them higher the first
time you sit in the pilot seat and they will be easier to cut now, I
learned that the hard way.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: tdudley(at)umn.edu <tdudley(at)umn.edu>
> To:
> Date: 6/12/2011 2:39:34 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
>
>
> Thanks for the input. I don't know that I consider myself a "purist",
exactly; truth is, I've never done anything like this and I'm more
concerned about doing something incorrectly and not being able to easily
fix it. I'd hate to glue the spacers in and find out a few weeks from now
that they might interfere with a cable or metal fitting or something else.
>
> As a newbie to the list I try more to read and learn from all the "old
hands" and I appreciate the help. (I've groaned at more than one of the
questions I've asked, myself.)
>
> Anyway, thanks again. I've included a few pics of the roughed-in seat
back and spacers. (Now maybe someone can tell me how to make the pictures
smaller so they are easier to see!)
>
> Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Leather flying helmet, was Big Day in 989CB Aeroplane |
Facto
| From: | "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> |
I got my Popsleather helmet last fall and absolutely love it! Custom fit for no
additional price. Even got one of their wallets as well. Would recommend these
folks to anybody.
Lorin
--------
Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Skip (and Gary),
Thanks for the compliment and advice. I cut the rudder pedal openings to plans
but have read enough on this forum to wonder if I should lengthen them. I used
my wife's collander to mark the upper curve (she was asleep); maybe she has
a pie-tin I can use to lengthen them (which I am thinking of doing on your advice).
Tom
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
Tom, I think I just eyeballed mine when I re cut. Just measured and the new
diameter is 3 3/8". I found a contact cement can in the shop that size,
think I will use it to true up the curve.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: tdudley(at)umn.edu <tdudley(at)umn.edu>
> To:
> Date: 6/13/2011 1:21:01 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
>
> maybe she has a pie-tin I can use to lengthen them
>
> Tom
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
That was good advice from Skip. I widened mine, too, but would have been
much easier before the sides were on. No flight time, yet, but many hours on
the ground wearing different shoes and boots...wider is better...
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
tdudley(at)umn.edu
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 10:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
Skip (and Gary),
Thanks for the compliment and advice. I cut the rudder pedal openings to
plans but have read enough on this forum to wonder if I should lengthen
them. I used my wife's collander to mark the upper curve (she was asleep);
maybe she has a pie-tin I can use to lengthen them (which I am thinking of
doing on your advice).
Tom
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
Make the cutouts as big as you can. As Pieti Lowell about what that
bulkhead can do to your shins.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
That was good advice from Skip. I widened mine, too, but would have been
much easier before the sides were on. No flight time, yet, but many hours on
the ground wearing different shoes and boots...wider is better...
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
tdudley(at)umn.edu
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 10:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Seat back question
Skip (and Gary),
Thanks for the compliment and advice. I cut the rudder pedal openings to
plans but have read enough on this forum to wonder if I should lengthen
them. I used my wife's collander to mark the upper curve (she was asleep);
maybe she has a pie-tin I can use to lengthen them (which I am thinking of
doing on your advice).
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
I put mine on the back and ran the braces to the top of the longeron (if installed
on the front they go under the longeron). This put the braces in the exact
location where I needed to install the rear Inside Center Strut Fitting and
I ended up cutting the top and adding a wedge of spruce to take the loads. Im
betting that that this is the reason they are on the front.
In retrospect, I wish I would have put mine on the front and added a cushion between
them.
--------
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Off subject-- B-17 crash |
| From: | Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com> |
This is NOT the EAA's Aluminum Overcast.
There were only 25 or so B-17s flying, so this is bad news. The good
news is that all walked away from the forced landing.
Tim in central TX
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8187278
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Off subject-- B-17 crash |
This was Liberty Belle. Glad all escaped, and it sounds like the pilot did
everything he could to save it, but the engine fire that brought it down
burned the entire airplane up.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Timothy
Willis
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 2:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Off subject-- B-17 crash
This is NOT the EAA's Aluminum Overcast.
There were only 25 or so B-17s flying, so this is bad news. The good
news is that all walked away from the forced landing.
Tim in central TX
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8187278
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| Subject: | Re: Off subject-- B-17 crash |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Yep, bummer. This one is owned by The Liberty Foundation in Florida. Unless there
have been several made airworthy recently, this was one of only a dozen airworthy
B-17s in the US... there are now only 13 worldwide.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Scout discovery in Australia! |
| From: | "rvanengen" <rvanengen(at)gmail.com> |
Scotty,
Excellent pics!! I hope he gets the time to get that plane flying again!
Can I second Jim's request for a picture showing more detail about that "Step"
shown in pic "IMG_1307.jpg"?
Thanks!!
--------
--Randall
N719VE
02xB || !02xB
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Off subject-- B-17 crash |
The important thing is that those 7 people live to fly again another day, A
nd by the way, he did a great job of setting that heavy iron down in a fiel
d, try that with a modern day boeing!
-
Shad
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| Subject: | Flying & Glider Manual |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
The 1932 and 1933 Flying & Glider manuals are on sale (40% off) if anyone is interested.
http://www.eaa.org/megamall/dotw.asp
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | First Annual Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
For those in or around Southern Ontario (that's Ontario, Canada, not Ontario California),
there will be a Pietenpol event happening this Saturday (June 18, 2011).
For 20 consecutive years, the Brussels Pietenpol Picnic was graciously hosted by
the Armstrong family, at their grass strip, in rural Brussels, Ontario. 2009
was the last one, and last year, 2010, for the first time in over 20 years, there
was no Pietenpol Picnic. But this year, the tradition continues, at a new
location.
The first annual Waterdown Pietenpol Picnic will be hosted by Brian Kenney and
his wife Hope, at their farm, just a little north of Hamilton. Following is the
pertinent information:
The relocated Pietenpol Picnic will be held next Saturday June 18 at the Kenney's
farm at 374 Concession 7E in Flamborough(Hamilton). It will run from 10:00
a.m. to dusk. There will be food available for lunch. Camping is available for
friday and saturday night and there is plenty of floor space in the house for
those who would like to bring an air mattress and sleeping bags. Please bring
lawn chairs if you can.
There is a 3000 foot grass strip available that is 14/32 and is protected by trees
to the west. Aircraft parking will be on the north end of the strip and on
the west side of the strip on the south end. Both downwinds are on the east side
of the runway. Suggested arrival procedure is to fly 140 degrees from the
Carlise water tower following Center road. Past the golf course, between the 7
and 6 concessions turn left 90 degrees (east) and over fly the field. The wind
sock is opposite the yellow roof buidling. Turn left or right to join the mid
downwind. From center road the strip can to hard to see because of the trees.
Suggest touchdowns be on the wide south end of the of the strip.
To get there by road turn east bound on the 7E Concession from highway 6. This
is between Millgrove and Freelton (just south of Ken Gamble's place). Drive to
center road and continue to the railway tracks. Our driveway is the second one
on the south side (right) past the railroad tracks.
Brian and Hope Kenney
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| Subject: | Handy info re: AN Hardware |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Here's a handy quick rundown on the differences between "Aircraft" bolts and other
bolts.
http://www.mechanicsupport.com/AircraftHardware.html
That's why they're worth the extra money.
Bill C.
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| From: | mark lee <mlmarkelee7(at)gmail.com> |
I read fire in cockpit was called in to the tower.One thing for sure,he
would never have put it into that field if he saw any other option.Every one
walked away and that was his main duty.The blimp that was leased to Goodyear
in Germany was sure tragic, but he saved his passengers.Sounds like some
sort of fuel leak caused it.
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Seat back question |
Tom;
Couple of points regarding the seat back question. One, I
concur with others who have recommended that you open up the
leg holes (make them taller). It really helps when you're
climbing in with anything other than bare feet. Two, it's easy
to add a padded back to the seat... I've done it on my Piet.
Three, you'll find that you'll probably have to make a notch
in the diagonal upright on the port side, to clear the bar that
links the front and rear control sticks when the stick is hard
over to port.
All of these details can be seen on a webpage that I put up
to describe the repair and rebuild of the front seat and
framing on my Piet, here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/seat.html
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Oscar,
Thanks for your suggestions and the link to your site. Your rebuild was well-detailed
and helpful.
Now, not trying to beat the horse any more dead, but my final question on the subject
regarding expanding the rudder pedal openings--- higher, wider, or both?
I've read recommendations for both which is what I am planning on, but it'd
be nice to know for certain before putting a blade to the plywood.
Tom
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Seat back question |
you may not have to notch the diagonal. Attach the front/rear interconnect
bar to the left side of the rear stick and the right side of the front (or
vice-versa) and it should clear=2C mine did!
Gene
> From: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Seat back question
> Date: Mon=2C 13 Jun 2011 22:33:05 -0500
>
>
>
>
> Tom=3B
>
> Couple of points regarding the seat back question. One=2C I
> concur with others who have recommended that you open up the
> leg holes (make them taller). It really helps when you're
> climbing in with anything other than bare feet. Two=2C it's easy
> to add a padded back to the seat... I've done it on my Piet.
> Three=2C you'll find that you'll probably have to make a notch
> in the diagonal upright on the port side=2C to clear the bar that
> links the front and rear control sticks when the stick is hard
> over to port.
>
> All of these details can be seen on a webpage that I put up
> to describe the repair and rebuild of the front seat and
> framing on my Piet=2C here:
>
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/seat.html
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
> Medford=2C OR (soon to be Eagle Point=2C Oregon)
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Seat back question |
Or, if the sticks are not made yet, weld tabs center-line on both sticks and fit
the connecting tube between them. This will also give you equal stick throw
left and right.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out |
| From: | "olflyr45" <wyliejohnson45(at)gmail.com> |
Built in 2002 and has flown about 200 hours. No engine. Has a mount for a Continental
A or C series or an O-200. Needs some rib repair in the left wing.
I would strip the whole airplane and recover it just to see everything. Currently
disassembled for trailering. If you're planning to build one here is a way
to get flying two or three years sooner. Also have a mid time A-65 which would
be an ideal unit for it. ($3,500). Reply to wyliejohnson45(at)gmail.com and
I'll send pictures. Located in Knoxville TN
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| From: | "olflyr45" <wyliejohnson45(at)gmail.com> |
Remember, you don't get something for nothing. If your 2 blade is absorbing all
the horsepower the Corvair can produce you will actually lose performance due
to the additional parasite drag of that 3rd blade.
Possible benefits: The blades can be shorter and increase ground clearance.
Reduced tip speeds from the smaller diameter can reduce the noise. You can let
it turn a little faster and maybe gain some horsepower. It might help takeoff
and climb but not likely to do any good at cruise. Higher fuel burn if you
do that.
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Cables; control and brace |
Just starting to make up all the tail brace and control cables for my Piet
and have a couple of questions.
Where the cable joins the turnbuckle are you using a cable loop or a pin en
d to couple to the cable? Or a cable shackle? There is all kinds of informa
tion on how to safety the turnbuckles and make cable eyes but not on joinin
g the two.
It would be nice if the thimble/cable end could be made up through the turn
buckle end; it would save on some expensive hardware. Anybody have=C2- pi
ctures of cable/turnbuckle couplings?
Appreciate your help.
Jim Boyer
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| Subject: | Local builders southern California |
| From: | mark lee <mlmarkelee7(at)gmail.com> |
Looking for any builders around Moopark,Camarillo.Ventura California.--- Do
not archive
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
I just looped my cables through the end of the turnbuckle. Those
shackles cost as much as a turnbuckle!
Ben
On 6/14/2011 3:57 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
>
> Just starting to make up all the tail brace and control cables for my
> Piet and have a couple of questions.
>
> Where the cable joins the turnbuckle are you using a cable loop or a
> pin end to couple to the cable? Or a cable shackle? There is all kinds
> of information on how to safety the turnbuckles and make cable eyes
> but not on joining the two.
>
> It would be nice if the thimble/cable end could be made up through the
> turnbuckle end; it would save on some expensive hardware. Anybody
> have pictures of cable/turnbuckle couplings?
>
> Appreciate your help.
>
> Jim Boyer
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
| From: | mark lee <mlmarkelee7(at)gmail.com> |
Ben if you have time could you put up a pic.
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Ben Charvet wrote:
> I just looped my cables through the end of the turnbuckle. Those shackles
> cost as much as a turnbuckle!
>
> Ben
>
> On 6/14/2011 3:57 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
>
> Just starting to make up all the tail brace and control cables for my
> Piet and have a couple of questions.
>
> Where the cable joins the turnbuckle are you using a cable loop or a pin
> end to couple to the cable? Or a cable shackle? There is all kinds of
> information on how to safety the turnbuckles and make cable eyes but not on
> joining the two.
>
> It would be nice if the thimble/cable end could be made up through the
> turnbuckle end; it would save on some expensive hardware. Anybody have
> pictures of cable/turnbuckle couplings?
>
> Appreciate your help.
>
> Jim Boyer
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
> --
> Ben Charvet, PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Cables; control and brace |
I did the same as Ben
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace
I just looped my cables through the end of the turnbuckle. Those shackles
cost as much as a turnbuckle!
Ben
On 6/14/2011 3:57 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
Just starting to make up all the tail brace and control cables for my Piet
and have a couple of questions.
Where the cable joins the turnbuckle are you using a cable loop or a pin end
to couple to the cable? Or a cable shackle? There is all kinds of
information on how to safety the turnbuckles and make cable eyes but not on
joining the two.
It would be nice if the thimble/cable end could be made up through the
turnbuckle end; it would save on some expensive hardware. Anybody have
pictures of cable/turnbuckle couplings?
Appreciate your help.
Jim Boyer
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Cables; control and brace |
Here's a picture:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 5:36 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace
I did the same as Ben
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace
I just looped my cables through the end of the turnbuckle. Those shackles
cost as much as a turnbuckle!
Ben
On 6/14/2011 3:57 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
Just starting to make up all the tail brace and control cables for my Piet
and have a couple of questions.
Where the cable joins the turnbuckle are you using a cable loop or a pin end
to couple to the cable? Or a cable shackle? There is all kinds of
information on how to safety the turnbuckles and make cable eyes but not on
joining the two.
It would be nice if the thimble/cable end could be made up through the
turnbuckle end; it would save on some expensive hardware. Anybody have
pictures of cable/turnbuckle couplings?
Appreciate your help.
Jim Boyer
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
Hi Ben,
Thanks for the way you did it. I was not wanting to buy all the cable shackles
it would take. Turnbuckles are high enough priced.
Jim B.
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
Hi Jack,
Thanks for the great picture. I was not sure the thimble would fit through the
turnbuckle eye but it sure does. I was adding up the cost of the cable shackles
I would need for all the connections last night and could feel my billfold shrink.
The web site is great; thanks again.
Jim B.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
Mine look just like Jack's... My first trip to Brodhead in 2008 I spent
all day Saturday taking picture of airplanes to get ideas like that.
Ben
On 6/14/2011 5:32 PM, mark lee wrote:
> Ben if you have time could you put up a pic.
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Ben Charvet > wrote:
>
> I just looped my cables through the end of the turnbuckle. Those
> shackles cost as much as a turnbuckle!
>
> Ben
>
> On 6/14/2011 3:57 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
>>
>> Just starting to make up all the tail brace and control cables
>> for my Piet and have a couple of questions.
>>
>> Where the cable joins the turnbuckle are you using a cable loop
>> or a pin end to couple to the cable? Or a cable shackle? There is
>> all kinds of information on how to safety the turnbuckles and
>> make cable eyes but not on joining the two.
>>
>> It would be nice if the thimble/cable end could be made up
>> through the turnbuckle end; it would save on some expensive
>> hardware. Anybody have pictures of cable/turnbuckle couplings?
>>
>> Appreciate your help.
>>
>> Jim Boyer
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
> --
> Ben Charvet, PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
>
> *
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Cables; control and brace |
Motercycle chain links work good (in some instances) in place of cable shac
kles, most hardware stores carry some kind of industrial chain.- Or you c
ould simply make them out of .065, or .090 4130 sheet.
-
Just 2 cents worth
Shad
don't archive
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
Another alternative...swage on fittings. First one is the completed cabel, second...the
individual pieces.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
By the way, not too clear in the photos, all end fittings are forks.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
And to add to Shad's comment: if you safety wire the motorcycle link it keeps the
IAs happy. They don't even pause when they see it.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342987#342987
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Cables; control and brace |
Jim,
Here=99s how I=99m doing the other end. I have since
re-shaped the =98shackles=99 to a more slender look.
Thimble wrapping.jpg
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Boyer
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace
Just starting to make up all the tail brace and control cables for my
Piet and have a couple of questions.
Where the cable joins the turnbuckle are you using a cable loop or a pin
end to couple to the cable? Or a cable shackle? There is all kinds of
information on how to safety the turnbuckles and make cable eyes but not
on joining the two.
It would be nice if the thimble/cable end could be made up through the
turnbuckle end; it would save on some expensive hardware. Anybody have
pictures of cable/turnbuckle couplings?
Appreciate your help.
Jim Boyer
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
When using the chain link it is advisable to use the AN-111 cable
bushings instead of thimbles.
See attached.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 6:12 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace
Motercycle chain links work good (in some instances) in place of
cable shackles, most hardware stores carry some kind of industrial
chain. Or you could simply make them out of .065, or .090 4130 sheet.
Just 2 cents worth
Shad
don't archive
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
Here's a couple of mine.
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:12 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace
Motercycle chain links work good (in some instances) in place of
cable shackles, most hardware stores carry some kind of industrial
chain. Or you could simply make them out of ..065, or .090 4130 sheet.
Just 2 cents worth
Shad
don't archive
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| Subject: | Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
I haven't done any research yet, but the A-65 is what I thought I might put up
front in my plane. Anyone have any advice?
Tom
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Local builders southern California |
Dave,
I hope you will join us next year for the 3rd annual West Coast Piet
Gathering at Frazer Lake, near Gilroy..just a nice, short drive up 101.
Gary
Cool, Ca.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Abramson
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 2:47 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Local builders southern California
Hi Mark! I am building at the Santa Maria Airport!
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of mark lee
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 2:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Local builders southern California
Looking for any builders around Moopark,Camarillo.Ventura California.--- Do
not archive
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out |
The A-65 is a very good match for the Air Camper. Especially in the lower
elevations where you don't have to climb very high. It's reliability is
legendary.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: <tdudley(at)umn.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out
>
> I haven't done any research yet, but the A-65 is what I thought I might
> put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice?
>
> Tom
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001
>
>
>
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
HI Shad,
I got some #50 links from Home Depot a couple of months ago as I started getting
parts together to make cables.
Thanks,
Jim B.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
When using the chain link it is advisable to use the AN-111 cable bushings instead
of thimbles.
Hi Greg,
Thanks for the drawing; I had not even thought of using the cable bushings; wasn't
sure really what they were.
Thanks,
Jim B.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Piet fly-in at Centerburg |
Don, I don't mean to pester you, but my little fly-in is saturday, Skipp, a
nd Ed Delanely are planning on flying up friday afternoon and Steve Emo is
planning on flying his piet up from New Carlisle saturday.- Hope you can
make it.- Also I was wondering if you could let Frank P. know about it, i
f he would want to fly down for the day on Saturday.
-
Shad
p.s.- I like your Chief video, nice looking airplane!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Oooowwww...very nice stick assembly....
I want one of those!...
Mark
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> Or, if the sticks are not made yet, weld tabs center-line on both sticks
> and fit the connecting tube between them. This will also give you equal
> stick throw left and right.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> *
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet fly-in at Centerburg |
Shad,
Im helping my lil' Sis move to c-bus
Friday and plan on Having my ducati there saturday!
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 15, 2011, at 12:55 AM, shad bell wrote:
> Don, I don't mean to pester you, but my little fly-in is saturday, Skipp, a
nd Ed Delanely are planning on flying up friday afternoon and Steve Emo is p
lanning on flying his piet up from New Carlisle saturday. Hope you can make
it. Also I was wondering if you could let Frank P. know about it, if he wo
uld want to fly down for the day on Saturday.
>
> Shad
> p.s. I like your Chief video, nice looking airplane!
>
>
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
Jim,
Here is one alternative for the top stab cables I found in my stash of
pictures.
Jack
DSM
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cables; control and brace
HI Shad,
I got some #50 links from Home Depot a couple of months ago as I started
getting parts together to make cables.
Thanks,
Jim B.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out |
I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home
airport, and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200
pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test
if possible, just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry
on time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar
floor for years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts
are plentiful, but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work
and parts to get it where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase
overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've
ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the
Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost.
I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a
Corvair. You give up some horsepower, but you loose the requirement for
a battery, electrical system, and most importantly a Transponder. It is
also a hand-start engine, but it really isn't hard at all.
Ben Charvet
Titusville Fl
83 hours since 2/2010
On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM, tdudley(at)umn.edu wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tdudley(at)umn.edu"
>
> I haven't done any research yet, but the A-65 is what I thought I might put up
front in my plane. Anyone have any advice?
>
> Tom
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Gathering |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Thanks John for the nice words. It was great to meet you. I also enjoyed your
visit here. Next time you are in town I'll meet you at your place of business
for lunch, you can show me Pics of your project.
Sorry for the late reply but I have been out on a short vacation in the 5th wheel
and just return this morning. Wife and I both got sick. Oh well, It's still
nice to get away.
OK, Back to work.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343039#343039
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
Another thing you may already know about the swage fittings, they use a spe
cial small clip to lock them in place as opposed to safety wire. The clips
weigh next to nothing and are a "snap" to remove and reinstall.- The over
all assembly when finished is quite nice.
-
As noted, the issue is cost of the parts and locating a swager.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat back question |
Thank you Mark. That picture is actually a "work in progress" picture. The now
finished product is even nicer. (MY opinion...which means nothing.)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out |
Do it. One of the best engines ever made. And they almost never snap their
crankshafts, unlike some other Air Camper powerplants.
Seriously, it will cost about the same to overhaul a Continetnal 65 as you
would put into converting a Corvair with the 5th bearing and all the other
things that need to be done to the Corvair to give it some semblance of
reliability. The Covair does have more power, but its prop turns the wrong
direction.
If you weigh more than 200 lbs you might need more power and should consider
a C-85 , C-90, or O-200.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
tdudley(at)umn.edu
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out
I haven't done any research yet, but the A-65 is what I thought I might put
up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice?
Tom
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
For Jim - I actually used stock motorcycle links and there are no provisions for
cotter keys. Looks like a good solution, though, with the right hardware.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343049#343049
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Lost and found |
Now can I have my wallet back?
In a message dated 6/15/2011 12:53:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jim_markle(at)mindspring.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
hahahahahaha....yeah and just watch....something will be missing from MY
shop when Larry leaves....!!!!
And I get blamed! No matter what!!! :-)
Hey, I just finished up the leading edge 1/16" ply...that has been sitting
for several years...Larry can ALSO leave with some sore muscles from
showing me how to sand the LE profile....I need help...I need help... :-)
JM
-----Original Message-----
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Sent: Jun 15, 2011 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lost and found
Jim,
My apologies as it appears you are not ever going to separate your self
form the joke that continues to haunt and one I contributed to. Its gotten
a
life of its own and no matter what, you are the Markelizer!
John
In a message dated 6/15/2011 7:41:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lnawms(at)yahoo.com writes:
Has anyone noticed how the (allegedly) light-fingered Mr. Markle seems to
trot around the country visiting Piet builders who have shiny new tools
but
nobody seems to ever be invited to visit his compound in OK? Well friends,
I
have hatched a plan and scheduled a visit to his shop and wanted you all
to
know about it so maybe some of your missing tools could possibly be
identified and returned!
I will be driving a hatchback which will carry
a pretty good load but if memory serves, there was at least one air
compressor
and a couch that went missing and I think those will have to stay put.
Hand
and power tools as well as fittings, drill bits, drawings and beet mugs
can
probably be spirited away without much trouble.
Let me know what you
suspect has been spirited away from your shop during a Markle visit and
I'll
see what I can do to get it back for you. I will bring the stuff to
Brodhead
if it won't overload the Piet.
Larry W. (the Pietenpol builder's
friend)
Now that I consider the possibilities, I really would like some
small items myself. Hm-m-m-m.
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Project for sale, (transponder) |
On the Transponder issue, If a battery is required to make the engine run
(for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is NOT
required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that
system, (handheld radio, light, intercom, cell phone, GPS, electric turn &
bank, etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery, starter and
generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an
electrical system requiring a Transponder.
We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely fly
amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace, but they can
dang sure fly in ours!
Barry Davis
NX973BP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out
I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home airport,
and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200
pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test
if possible, just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry on
time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor for
years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful,
but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to get it
where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase
overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've
ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the
Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost.
I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a Corvair.
You give up some horsepower, but you loose the requirement for a battery,
electrical system, and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a
hand-start engine, but it really isn't hard at all.
Ben Charvet
Titusville Fl
83 hours since 2/2010
On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM, tdudley(at)umn.edu wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
> --> "tdudley(at)umn.edu"
>
> I haven't done any research yet, but the A-65 is what I thought I might
put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice?
>
> Tom
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cables; control and brace |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
For Jim - Yes to the locking clip. I don't remember the sizes - sorry. Had a
friend bring several different sizes from a bike shop where he worked. If I were
to do it again I think I'd just use two female halves and secure with appropriate
hardware, like the pictures posted earlier in this thread.
Kevin
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343081#343081
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| Subject: | Re: Project for sale, (transponder) |
| From: | steve emo <steve.emo58(at)gmail.com> |
Your statement only applies within the 30 mi Mode C ring correct?
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Barry Davis wrote:
>
> On the Transponder issue, If a battery is required to make the engine run
> (for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is NOT
> required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that
> system, (handheld radio, light, intercom, cell phone, GPS, electric turn &
> bank, etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery, starter and
> generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an
> electrical system requiring a Transponder.
> We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely fly
> amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace, but they can
> dang sure fly in ours!
> Barry Davis
> NX973BP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
> Charvet
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 8:34 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part out
>
>
> I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home airport,
> and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200
> pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test
> if possible, just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry on
> time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor
> for
> years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful,
> but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to get
> it
> where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase
> overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've
> ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the
> Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost.
>
> I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a Corvair.
> You give up some horsepower, but you loose the requirement for a battery,
> electrical system, and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a
> hand-start engine, but it really isn't hard at all.
>
> Ben Charvet
> Titusville Fl
> 83 hours since 2/2010
>
>
> On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM, tdudley(at)umn.edu wrote:
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
> > --> "tdudley(at)umn.edu"
> >
> > I haven't done any research yet, but the A-65 is what I thought I might
> put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Ben Charvet, PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Project for sale, (transponder) |
If I read the FARs correctly it says an engine driven electrical system.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> From: bed(at)mindspring.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C (transponder)
> Date: Wed=2C 15 Jun 2011 14:46:45 -0400
>
>
> On the Transponder issue=2C If a battery is required to make the engine r
un
> (for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is NO
T
> required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that
> system=2C (handheld radio=2C light=2C intercom=2C cell phone=2C GPS=2C el
ectric turn &
> bank=2C etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery=2C starter and
> generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an
> electrical system requiring a Transponder.
> We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely f
ly
> amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace=2C but they ca
n
> dang sure fly in ours!
> Barry Davis
> NX973BP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charv
et
> Sent: Wednesday=2C June 15=2C 2011 8:34 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C $5=2C000 or will par
t out
>
>
> I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home airport
=2C
> and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200
> pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test
> if possible=2C just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry
on
> time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor
for
> years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful
=2C
> but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to get
it
> where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase
> overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've
> ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the
> Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost.
>
> I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a Corvair
.
> You give up some horsepower=2C but you loose the requirement for a batter
y=2C
> electrical system=2C and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a
> hand-start engine=2C but it really isn't hard at all.
>
> Ben Charvet
> Titusville Fl
> 83 hours since 2/2010
>
>
> On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM=2C tdudley(at)umn.edu wrote:
> > --> "tdudley(at)umn.edu"
> >
> > I haven't done any research yet=2C but the A-65 is what I thought I mig
ht
> put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Ben Charvet=2C PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Project for sale, (transponder) |
I see some hairs to split here and so, a battery with a solar cell to
passively power the battery charger does not qualify as engine driven and
therefor exempt of having to be transponder equipped aircraft?
John
In a message dated 6/15/2011 4:57:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com writes:
If I read the FARs correctly it says an engine driven electrical system.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> From: bed(at)mindspring.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, (transponder)
> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:46:45 -0400
>
>
> On the Transponder issue, If a battery is required to make the engine run
> (for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is
NOT
> required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that
> system, (handheld radio, light, intercom, cell phone, GPS, electric turn
&
> bank, etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery, starter and
> generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an
> electrical system requiring a Transponder.
> We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely
fly
> amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace, but they can
> dang sure fly in ours!
> Barry Davis
> NX973BP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
Charvet
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 8:34 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part
out
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet
>
> I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home
airport,
> and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200
> pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test
> if possible, just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry
on
> time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor
for
> years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful,
> but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to
get it
> where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase
> overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've
> ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the
> Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost.
>
> I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a
Corvair.
> You give up some horsepower, but you loose the requirement for a battery,
> electrical system, and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a
> hand-start engine, but it really isn't hard at all.
>
> Ben Charvet
> Titusville Fl
> 83 hours since 2/2010
>
>
> On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM, tdudley(at)umn.edu wrote:
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
> > --> "tdudley(at)umn.edu"
> >
> > I haven't done any research yet, but the A-65 is what I thought I might
> put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Ben Charvet, PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>====================
> _=========
>
>
>
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Project for sale, (transponder) |
| From: | steve emo <steve.emo58(at)gmail.com> |
Doug,
I went back and reread part 92.215 and my interpretation is as follows the
transponder requirement first only applies to Classes A, B, C airspace and
above 10,000 MSL unless it is less than 2500 AGL, and only applies to
aircraft within that airspace with an engine driven electrical system. They
then go through and list the class B airports. So those of us outside of
these airspace and in flat land such as Dayton OH are not effected. Further
one needs to be inside the ring 30 nm ring for Class B and over the top of
class B and lateral boundaries.
Steve
in New Carlisle, OH
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Doug Dever wrote:
> If I read the FARs correctly it says an engine driven electrical system.
>
> Doug Dever
> In beautiful Stow Ohio
>
>
> > From: bed(at)mindspring.com
>
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, (transponder)
> > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:46:45 -0400
>
> >
> >
> > On the Transponder issue, If a battery is required to make the engine run
> > (for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is
> NOT
> > required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that
> > system, (handheld radio, light, intercom, cell phone, GPS, electric turn
> &
> > bank, etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery, starter and
> > generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an
> > electrical system requiring a Transponder.
> > We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely
> fly
> > amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace, but they can
> > dang sure fly in ours!
> > Barry Davis
> > NX973BP
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
> Charvet
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 8:34 AM
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale, $5,000 or will part
> out
> >
> >
> > I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home airport,
> > and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200
> > pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test
> > if possible, just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry
> on
> > time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor
> for
> > years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful,
> > but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to get
> it
> > where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase
> > overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've
> > ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the
> > Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost.
> >
> > I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a
> Corvair.
> > You give up some horsepower, but you loose the requirement for a battery,
> > electrical system, and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a
> > hand-start engine, but it really isn't hard at all.
> >
> > Ben Charvet
> > Titusville Fl
> > 83 hours since 2/2010
> >
> >
> > On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM, tdudley(at)umn.edu wrote:
> > > --> "tdudley(at)umn.edu"
> > >
> > > I haven't done any research yet, but the A-65 is what I thought I might
> > put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice?
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ben Charvet, PharmD
> > Staff Pharmacist
> > Parrish Medical center
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >====================
> > _=========
>
> >
> >
> >
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Local builders southern California |
Any tentative dates set for the 2012 Frazier Lake event yet?
It's only about six hours south of me. Maybe a chance I can
fly 41CC down there next spring, after I get the airplane ferried
up here to Oregon later this summer.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | negative G loading for Piet wing |
Mark asked-
>Do you know what the negative-G stress loading is on a piet
I'm not aeronautical engineer and I didn't sleep in a Holiday Inn
last night, but my napkin sketches and calcs indicate that negative
G loading is a weak point of the Piet structure. I may also be
very mistaken when I write this, but I believe one of the few known
structural failures of a Piet was when one fell out of a loop or
attempted a negative-G maneuver and the struts collapsed.
Normal category loading for certified aircraft is +3.8 and -1.52G
and the Piet is certainly no better rated than that, IMHO.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
Medford, OR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Local builders southern California |
We've been doing it the first Saturday in June. It would be awesome if you could
come. In 2010 we were blessed with a visit from Markle. A visit from Oscar
in 2012 would be a great addition to our visits from the all-stars.
Mike Groah
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Any tentative dates set for the 2012 Frazier Lake event yet?
> It's only about six hours south of me. Maybe a chance I can
> fly 41CC down there next spring, after I get the airplane ferried
> up here to Oregon later this summer.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
> Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: negative G loading for Piet wing |
| From: | mark lee <mlmarkelee7(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Oscar. A loop sounds pretty much nuts to me.But that gives me a
general idea of what it might take to break a piet.I've hit air that was
that bad but was really-really hunting for it.
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
> Mark asked-
>
> >Do you know what the negative-G stress loading is on a piet
>
> I'm not aeronautical engineer and I didn't sleep in a Holiday Inn
> last night, but my napkin sketches and calcs indicate that negative
> G loading is a weak point of the Piet structure. I may also be
> very mistaken when I write this, but I believe one of the few known
> structural failures of a Piet was when one fell out of a loop or
> attempted a negative-G maneuver and the struts collapsed.
>
> Normal category loading for certified aircraft is +3.8 and -1.52G
> and the Piet is certainly no better rated than that, IMHO.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> Medford, OR
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | johnson airspeed indicator |
| From: | "Piep" <charles(at)thecontactpoint.com> |
Is anybody going to Broadhead that might have a "Johnson" style airspeed indicator
that you would consider selling? Or even if you are not going to Broadhead,
I would be interested, if you could email me at: charles.w.mcfarland(at)gmail.com.
Any condition would be ok as it would be used for a pattern.
Thanks,
Charlie
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343146#343146
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Project for sale, (transponder) |
Sounds right to me. The regs say "engine driven"
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Wed=2C 15 Jun 2011 18:24:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C (transponder)
I see some hairs to split here and so=2C a battery with a solar cell to pas
sively power the battery charger does not qualify as engine driven and ther
efor exempt of having to be transponder equipped aircraft?
John
In a message dated 6/15/2011 4:57:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C chiefpep
perhead(at)hotmail.com writes:
If I read the FARs correctly it says an engine driven electrical system.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> From: bed(at)mindspring.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C (transponder)
> Date: Wed=2C 15 Jun 2011 14:46:45 -0400
>
>
> On the Transponder issue=2C If a battery is required to make the engine r
un
> (for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is NO
T
> required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that
> system=2C (handheld radio=2C light=2C intercom=2C cell phone=2C GPS=2C el
ectric turn &
> bank=2C etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery=2C starter and
> generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an
> electrical system requiring a Transponder.
> We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely f
ly
> amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace=2C but they ca
n
> dang sure fly in ours!
> Barry Davis
> NX973BP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charv
et
> Sent: Wednesday=2C June 15=2C 2011 8:34 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C $5=2C000 or will par
t out
>
>
> I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home airport
=2C
> and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200
> pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test
> if possible=2C just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry
on
> time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor
for
> years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful
=2C
> but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to get
it
> where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase
> overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've
> ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the
> Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost.
>
> I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a Corvair
.
> You give up some horsepower=2C but you loose the requirement for a batter
y=2C
> electrical system=2C and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a
> hand-start engine=2C but it really isn't hard at all.
>
> Ben Charvet
> Titusville Fl
> 83 hours since 2/2010
>
>
> On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM=2C tdudley(at)umn.edu wrote:
> > --> "tdudley(at)umn.edu"
> >
> > I haven't done any research yet=2C but the A-65 is what I thought I mig
ht
> put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Ben Charvet=2C PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> _=========
>
>
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Project for sale, (transponder) |
That's how I interpret it. It was a concern for me as KSU is within the 30
nm ring for Cleveland and one reason for me opting to not have an electrica
l syst. That=2C and I'm a purist:)
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Date: Wed=2C 15 Jun 2011 21:50:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C (transponder)
From: steve.emo58(at)gmail.com
Doug=2C
I went back and reread part 92.215 and my interpretation is as follows the
transponder requirement first only applies to Classes A=2C B=2C C airspace
and above 10=2C000 MSL unless it is less than 2500 AGL=2C and only applies
to aircraft within that airspace with an engine driven electrical system.
They then go through and list the class B airports. So those of us outside
of these airspace and in flat land such as Dayton OH are not effected. Fu
rther one needs to be inside the ring 30 nm ring for Class B and over the t
op of class B and lateral boundaries.
Steve
in New Carlisle=2C OH
On Wed=2C Jun 15=2C 2011 at 4:53 PM=2C Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.
com> wrote:
If I read the FARs correctly it says an engine driven electrical system.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> From: bed(at)mindspring.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C (transponder)
> Date: Wed=2C 15 Jun 2011 14:46:45 -0400
>
>
> On the Transponder issue=2C If a battery is required to make the engine r
un
> (for electronic ignition or coil and points ignition) a Transponder is NO
T
> required. But........if you have just one device taking power from that
> system=2C (handheld radio=2C light=2C intercom=2C cell phone=2C GPS=2C el
ectric turn &
> bank=2C etc.) Then a Transponder is required. A battery=2C starter and
> generator/alternator JUST for the engine to operate is not considered an
> electrical system requiring a Transponder.
> We are located inside the 30 mile Mode C ring for Atlanta and routinely f
ly
> amongst all the Delta jets. We can't fly in their airspace=2C but they ca
n
> dang sure fly in ours!
> Barry Davis
> NX973BP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charv
et
> Sent: Wednesday=2C June 15=2C 2011 8:34 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Project for sale=2C $5=2C000 or will par
t out
>
>
> I live in Florida where the actual altitude is 33 msl at my home airport
=2C
> and the A-65 works great. I've flown it at gross wt (1200
> pounds) and still seen a decent climb rate. I'd get a compression test
> if possible=2C just to get an idea what you are buying. The logbook entry
on
> time SMOH doesn't count if the engine has been sitting on a hangar floor
for
> years. These engines aren't all that complicated and parts are plentiful
=2C
> but it isn't hard to spend lots of money on machine work and parts to get
it
> where you want. I spent around $650 for a crankcase
> overhaul and about the same for the crankshaft overhaul. If you've
> ever overhauled a Volkswagen you could do this yourself. Check out the
> Fresno Airparts ad in Trade-a-Plane for an idea what parts cost.
>
> I believe you can build a good A-65 for about the same price as a Corvair
.
> You give up some horsepower=2C but you loose the requirement for a batter
y=2C
> electrical system=2C and most importantly a Transponder. It is also a
> hand-start engine=2C but it really isn't hard at all.
>
> Ben Charvet
> Titusville Fl
> 83 hours since 2/2010
>
>
> On 6/14/2011 11:05 PM=2C tdudley(at)umn.edu wrote:
> > --> "tdudley(at)umn.edu"
> >
> > I haven't done any research yet=2C but the A-65 is what I thought I mig
ht
> put up front in my plane. Anyone have any advice?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343001#343001
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Ben Charvet=2C PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> _=========
>
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| Subject: | Avon ribbed antique motorcycle tyres |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Hi all...I am looking around for tyres for my 21" Buchanan rims and came across
these.
http://www.antiquetyres.com.au/21300
They have a load capacity of 230kg each and talking to the guy who laced my rims,
he said they usually have a hefty safety margin in that rating.
What tyres are others using and will this load rating be enough?
Scotty :?
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 28 Ribs built...
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343157#343157
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Local builders southern California |
Oscar,
That's especially good news...hope it works out! Also, God willing, we will
ALL be treated to a first time appearance of Mike and Vic in their brand new
Piet!
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Local builders southern California
We've been doing it the first Saturday in June. It would be awesome if you
could come. In 2010 we were blessed with a visit from Markle. A visit from
Oscar in 2012 would be a great addition to our visits from the all-stars.
Mike Groah
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Any tentative dates set for the 2012 Frazier Lake event yet?
> It's only about six hours south of me. Maybe a chance I can
> fly 41CC down there next spring, after I get the airplane ferried
> up here to Oregon later this summer.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
> Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
Charlie,
If you want a Johnson *style* ASI, there are plans out there in the
Sport Aviation archives.
In fact, I've got a copy of the plans, which I've attached.
Cheers,
Dan
PS I've also attached an old matronics email on the subject.
On 06/16/2011 12:02 AM, Piep wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Piep"
>
> Is anybody going to Broadhead that might have a "Johnson" style airspeed indicator
that you would consider selling? Or even if you are not going to Broadhead,
I would be interested, if you could email me at: charles.w.mcfarland(at)gmail.com.
Any condition would be ok as it would be used for a pattern.
> Thanks,
> Charlie
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343146#343146
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Johnson Airspeed Indicator
>Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:05:12 -0600
>
>Here's a (small) picture.....
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: <Rcaprd(at)aol.com>
>To:
>Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:47 PM
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Johnson Airspeed Indicator
>
>
>>
>>In a message dated 12/17/04 10:41:39 AM Central Standard Time,
>>wacopitts(at)yahoo.com writes:
>>
>><< Clif, is that a brass brazing rod that you used for a spring? >>
>>
>>Not to jump in here, but let me try to describe the Johnson ASI. It uses
>>a
>>.047" music wire, with 2 1/2 coils, and has a leg that is bent
>>perpendicular to
>>lock the coil from rotating, and is inserted into the back plate. The
>>coil
>>is 3/4" in diameter, and is spaced off the backing plate with a threaded
>>thru
>>bushing that is 3/8" long. From the center of the coil, to the tip of the
>>pointer, is 7". The bushing that is in the center of the coil is 3/8"
>>diameter
>>and is about 3/32" long. The bolt is about a #6, and on each side of the
>>coil
>>is a plastic washer that is 7/8" O.D. The coil and pivot point is covered
>>with
>>a molded plastic teardrop shape fairing, and has a slot cut for the
>>pointer
>>to travel in. The sweep of the arc is 70. The backing plate with the
>>indicator markings is .040 aluminum, probably 2024. The numbers are 20
>>thru 90 mph.
>>The angle plate that the relative wind pushes against is 1 1/4" X 2 1/8" X
>>.030" thick, with the pointer is on the 3/8" leg of this angle, which is
>>next to
>>the backing plate. To attach the music wire to the angle plate, it has a
>>small aluminum block that measures 1/4" X 1/4" X 3/4". The .040" wire is
>>drilled
>>thru length wise, and has two #2 (or smaller) set screws to secure the
>>plate,
>>wire, and block.
>>
>>Chuck G.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | johnson airspeed indicator |
Charlie,
Additionally, I recall that PF Beck was selling a version of these at
Brodhead (note sp. Don't want you to get in trouble with certain purists)
'09.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: johnson airspeed indicator
Charlie,
If you want a Johnson *style* ASI, there are plans out there in the Sport
Aviation archives.
In fact, I've got a copy of the plans, which I've attached.
Cheers,
Dan
PS I've also attached an old matronics email on the subject.
On 06/16/2011 12:02 AM, Piep wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
> --> "Piep"
>
> Is anybody going to Broadhead that might have a "Johnson" style airspeed
indicator that you would consider selling? Or even if you are not going to
Broadhead, I would be interested, if you could email me at:
charles.w.mcfarland(at)gmail.com. Any condition would be ok as it would be
used for a pattern.
> Thanks,
> Charlie
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343146#343146
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind
from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
| From: | "Piep" <charles(at)thecontactpoint.com> |
Dan,
Thanks for the reply and for your effort in finding the information for me. I'll
get right on it. Will you be going to Broadhead? I owe you a drink.
Charlie
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343169#343169
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| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
FYI, There is a Florida Piet on the AVWEB, pictures of the week category. DOn't
know who owns it, but it is very nice to look at.
Congrats
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343175#343175
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| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
| From: | "Piep" <charles(at)thecontactpoint.com> |
Gary,
Thanks to you as well. I will keep trying to find Pfbeck although his listed email
of pfbeck(at)barnwellsc.com no longer seems to be a valid address.
I am pretty new to the forum and the "Piet" world as well, so am not sure what
you are referring to as far as "certain purists" goes.
I also ran across an old post by Kari-Ann Price who sells aftermarket kits.
Thanks again,
Charlie
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343176#343176
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| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Charlie,
3 yrs ago I was a newcomer, too, and relish those memories of excitement. You are
now amongst the finest group of aviators, near-to-be aviators and aircraft
builders in the world (present company excepted). However...
As a newcomer, you will be allowed only a few transgressions of mis-spelling Brodhead...the
Holiest of Holy Places in the Piet community. If you continue to
mis-spell Brodhead, in a very short time, you will receive a curt reply from a
certain former Marine, reminding you of the correct spelling of Brodhead. If
the transgression continues, you will begin to see unwonted items show up in your
mailbox at home...further transgressions will prompt a home visit from said
surely, former Marine, forcibly reminding you of the correct spelling of Brodhead.
He may even have a following of "certain purists", all good, well-intentioned
fellows, but serious non the less.
Just don't want that happen to you! Hope you make it to Brodhead this year. If
you do, please look for me!
Gary
------Original Message------
From: Piep
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator
Sent: Jun 16, 2011 7:10 AM
Gary,
Thanks to you as well. I will keep trying to find Pfbeck although his listed email
of pfbeck(at)barnwellsc.com no longer seems to be a valid address.
I am pretty new to the forum and the "Piet" world as well, so am not sure what
you are referring to as far as "certain purists" goes.
I also ran across an old post by Kari-Ann Price who sells aftermarket kits.
Thanks again,
Charlie
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343176#343176
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Local builders southern California |
Well we hope we can have it there. That's the plan anyway. We'll start fabric
on the fuselage today!
I think Gary can have his there next June too. What do you say Gary?
Mike Groah
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 16, 2011, at 5:29 AM, "Gboothe5" wrote:
>
> Oscar,
>
> That's especially good news...hope it works out! Also, God willing, we will
> ALL be treated to a first time appearance of Mike and Vic in their brand new
> Piet!
>
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> Groah
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 9:37 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Local builders southern California
>
>
> We've been doing it the first Saturday in June. It would be awesome if you
> could come. In 2010 we were blessed with a visit from Markle. A visit from
> Oscar in 2012 would be a great addition to our visits from the all-stars.
>
> Mike Groah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Any tentative dates set for the 2012 Frazier Lake event yet?
>> It's only about six hours south of me. Maybe a chance I can
>> fly 41CC down there next spring, after I get the airplane ferried
>> up here to Oregon later this summer.
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
>> Medford, OR (soon to be Eagle Point, Oregon)
>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
| From: | "Piep" <charles(at)thecontactpoint.com> |
Gary,
Thanks. I guess I owe you two drinks now! I unfortunately won't have time to
bring the airplane, but plan on driving up to BRODHEAD this year. I'll look for
you there.
Charlie[/u][/b]
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343182#343182
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| From: | Hans Van Der Voort <hvandervoo(at)aol.com> |
You sometimes wonder why not more people fly ?
http://www.ehow.com/how_2266733_fly-cessna-182.html
Read the comments, Funny stuff
Hans
NX15KV
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| Subject: | Re: Florida Piet |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
That is Ben Charvet's beautiful Piet.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
Thanks a lot Hans! I am going to take my Advanced Ground Instructor test this afternoon
and after reading this, I am not sure that I can pass.
What I understand about flying is only related to this guys instructions in that
there is a somewhat similar vocabulary. Almost looks like it was run through
a computer translator.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans Van Der Voort <hvandervoo(at)aol.com>
Date: Thursday, June 16, 2011 10:23
Subject: Pietenpol-List: funny E-how
>
> You sometimes wonder why not more people fly ?
>
> http://www.ehow.com/how_2266733_fly-cessna-182.html
>
> Read the comments, Funny stuff
>
> Hans
>
> NX15KV
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Another Cable Question |
Another cable question; in Bingelis books and in AC43 it says that 3/32 copper
oval cable sleeves only need to be crimped once. I am using 3/32 cable for the
tail brace cables and I know I have seen other Piets with 3/32 tail brace cables
but don't remember ever seeing just one crimp on the copper sleeve.
Is that what those of you using 3/32 cable are doing just one crimp? Tried doing
three last night as a test and it can be done but doesn't look well and just
one crimp makes the ends swell up like you stepped in the middle of a balloon.
Cheers,
Jim B.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Florida Piet |
That would be mine!
Ben Charvet
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/potw/PictureOfTheWeek_204822-1.html
On 6/16/2011 9:59 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "AircamperN11MS"
>
> FYI, There is a Florida Piet on the AVWEB, pictures of the week category. DOn't
know who owns it, but it is very nice to look at.
>
> Congrats
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343175#343175
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Bill Rewey Article |
Excellent article on Bill in the Midwest Flyer. See it here
http://www.midwestflyer.com/?p=3065
Jack
DSM
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Florida Piet |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Very nice shot Ben. Looks like it ought to.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Hi from England
I remember a few days ago someone was discussing 4 bladed Props and
maybe making one.
I have a series of old Cigarette Cards from 1919 and in the De Havilland
set are several 4 Bladed prop Aircraft.
This is a good example as it shows the blade angle and shape.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
gholland@content-stream.co.uk
+44 (0)7808 402404
White Ox Mead, Bath. England
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Another Cable Question |
Here's proof, Jim:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Cable Question
Another cable question; in Bingelis books and in AC43 it says that 3/32
copper oval cable sleeves only need to be crimped once. I am using 3/32
cable for the tail brace cables and I know I have seen other Piets with 3/32
tail brace cables but don't remember ever seeing just one crimp on the
copper sleeve.
Is that what those of you using 3/32 cable are doing just one crimp? Tried
doing three last night as a test and it can be done but doesn't look well
and just one crimp makes the ends swell up like you stepped in the middle of
a balloon.
Cheers,
Jim B.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Piep wrote:
> Gary,
> Thanks. I guess I owe you two drinks now! I unfortunately won't have time to
bring the airplane, but plan on driving up to BRODHEAD this year. I'll look
for you there.
> Charlie[/u][/b]
You'll have no problem finding Gary... he'll be the guy in a headlock, having a
knot popped on his head by said former Marine. Ha!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343223#343223
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Piet in the Great Flood |
Found this picture on the EAA Website.
This was taken after the flood last month in Memphis, but I don't have any
details. Sad!
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
| From: | "Piep" <charles(at)thecontactpoint.com> |
Mark,
Thanks for the info. I'll look for that scene to play out up there. Where are
you located? I am over at Lake Tenkiller working on the Piet today and will
be flying it this afternoon.
Charlie
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | FW: [eaa1114-discuss] Letter from Capt. Ray Fowler,Chief |
Pilot for the Liberty Foundation and B-17G "Liberty Belle"
Not exactly Pietenpol related, but I thought this might be of interest.
This came from one of our EAA Chapter 1114 memebrs, Jim Zazas, who is active
in warbirds and antiques (and owns a J-3 Cub and a Luscombe 8A).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: discuss-bounces(at)eaa1114.org [mailto:discuss-bounces(at)eaa1114.org] On
Behalf Of James Zazas
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 4:48 PM
Subject: [eaa1114-discuss] Letter from Capt. Ray Fowler,Chief Pilot for the
Liberty Foundation and B-17G "Liberty Belle"
June 15, 2011
All:
The following letter from Capt. Ray Fowler discusses in depth the events
leading to the airframe loss of the Liberty Foundation's B-17G Flying
Fortress "Liberty Belle" yesterday near Aurora, Illinois. Capt. Fowler is
the Chief Pilot for the Liberty Foundation.
Many of you have seen the sensational news video coverage and perhaps
innumerable still photographs of this accident. Please keep Capt. Fowler's
very succinct comments in mind whenever you see or discuss any media reports
and attending photographs or video regarding this very unfortunate event.
As bad as this mishap was, all aboard the aircraft exited quickly and
safely.
Quoting from Ray Fowler's letter, "There is wild speculation going on as to
the cause of our fire and the affect to other operators. Please let the
investigation run its course and report the findings. The NTSB and FAA were
quickly on the scene and we are working closely with them to aid in the
investigation. As soon as we receive some additional information, we will
release it via the website http://www.libertyfoundation.org
<http://www.libertyfoundation.org/> ."
Happy flying, safely!
Cheers,
Jim Zazas
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First, let me start off by sincerely thanking everyone for the outpouring of
support that we are receiving. I am sorry that I have not yet had the
opportunity to return the many phone calls, text or e-mails that I am
receiving offering to help. Again, thank you for all of the kind words that
we are receiving and for incredible offers to help emotionally, financially
and/or with the recovery process. I hope this statement will help fill in a
few details that everyone is wondering about that led to the loss of our
"Liberty Belle".
Yesterday morning, both our P-40 and B-17 were scheduled to fly from Aurora,
Illinois to Indianapolis, Indiana. We were in Aurora for the weekend as a
part of our scheduled tour. Over the course of the previous week, we
completed a scheduled 25-hour inspection on the B-17 which was completed by
Saturday. On Saturday, the weather stayed below the required ceiling to give
any passenger flights, however the B-17 flew in the morning on a routine
training proficiency flight, performing several patterns. Following the
flight, other maintenance issues arose that required us to cancel our Sunday
flying schedule for repairs. The maintenance performed has not been, in any
way, associated to the chain of events that led to Monday's fateful flight,
but is being considered in the preliminary investigation. However, due to
the media's sensational (mis)reporting, there is a large amount of
misinformation that continues to lead the news.
Here is what we do know. Flying in the left seat of the B-17 was Capt. John
Hess. John has been flying our Liberty Belle since 2005 and one of our most
experienced B-17 pilots. He is an active Delta Air Lines Captain with over
14,000 hours of flying experience and flies a variety of vintage WWII
aircraft. In the right seat was Bud Sittic. While Bud is new to the Liberty
Foundation this year, he is also incredibly experienced with over 14,000
hours of flying time in vintage and hi-performance aircraft. He is a retired
Captain with Delta Air Lines.
The news misidentified the P-40 as flying chase during the accident. I was
flying our P-40, however I had departed 20 minutes prior to the B-17's
takeoff on the short flight to Indianapolis to setup for the B-17's arrival.
The aircraft flying chase was a T-6 Texan flown by owner Cullen Underwood.
Cullen is one of our rated B-17 Captains and an experienced aviator tagging
along as a support ship.
The takeoff of both aircraft was uneventful and proceeded on-course
southeast. Prior to exiting Aurora's airport traffic area, the B-17 crew and
passengers began investigating an acrid smell and started a turn back to the
airport. Almost immediately thereafter, Cullen spotted flames coming from
the left wing and reported over the radio that they were on fire.
As all pilots know, there are few emergency situations that are more
critical than having an in-flight fire. While it is extremely rare, it can
(and sometimes does) indiscriminately affect aircraft of any age or type.
In-flight fires have led to the loss of not only aircraft, but often can
result in catastrophic loss of life. It requires an immediate action on the
flight crew, as the integrity of aircraft structure, systems and critical
components are in question.
Directly below the B-17 was a farmer's field and the decision was made to
land immediately. Approximately 1 minute and 40 seconds from the radio
report of the fire, the B-17 was down safely on the field. Within that 1:40
time frame, the crew shutdown and feathered the number 2 engine, activated
the engine's fire suppression system, lowered the landing gear and performed
an on-speed landing. Bringing the B-17 to a quick stop, the crew and
passengers quickly and safely exited the aircraft. Overhead in the T-6,
Cullen professionally coordinated and directed the firefighting equipment
which was dispatched by Aurora Tower to the landing location.
Unlike the sensational photos that you have all seen of the completely
burned B-17 on the news, you will see from photos taken by our crew that our
Liberty Belle was undamaged by the forced landing and at the time of
landing, the wing fire damage was relatively small. The crew actually
unloaded bags, then had the horrible task of watching the aircraft slowly
burn while waiting for the fire trucks to arrive. There were high hopes that
the fire would be extinguished quickly and the damage would be repairable.
Those hopes were diminished as the fire trucks deemed the field too soft to
cross due to the area's recent rainfall. So while standing by our burning
B-17 and watching the fire trucks parked at the field's edge, they sadly
watched the wing fire spread to the aircraft's fuel cells and of course, you
all have seen the end result. There is no doubt that had the fire equipment
been able to reach our aircraft, the fire would have been quickly
extinguished and our Liberty Belle would have been repaired to continue her
worthwhile mission.
Let me go on the record by thanking the flight crew for their
professionalism. Their actions were nothing short of heroic and their quick
thinking, actions and experience led to a "successful" outcome to this
serious in-flight emergency. John and Bud (and Cullen) did a remarkable job
under extreme circumstances and performed spectacularly. While the leading
news stories have repeatedly reported the "crash" of our B-17, fact is they
made a successful forced landing and the aircraft was ultimately consumed by
fire. Airplanes are replaceable but people are not and while the aircraft's
loss is tragic, it was a successful result.
This leads me into discussing the exceptional safety record of the Boeing
B-17 and to hopefully squash the naysayers who preach we should not be
flying these types of aircraft. Since we first flew the "Liberty Belle" in
December of 2004, we have flown over 20,000 passengers throughout the
country and if you count our historic trip to Europe in 2008, worldwide. Of
the other touring B-17s, some of which that have been touring for over 20
years, they have safely flown hundreds of thousands of people. The
aircraft's safety record is spectacular and I am certain the overall cause
of our issue, which is under investigation, will not tarnish that safety
record. In fact, as many of you know, other B-17 have suffered significant
damage (although not as bad as ours!), only to be re-built to fly again.
>From a passenger carrying standpoint, I can think of few aircraft that offer
the same level of safety as the 4-engine "Flying Fortress." As mentioned
earlier, in-flight fires are extremely rare and certainly could affect any
powered aircraft under certain circumstances. I would put my children today
in any of the other touring B-17s to go fly. I suggest to anyone that was
thinking of doing so when a B-17 visits your area to do so without giving
our loss any thought.
There is wild speculation going on as to the cause of our fire and the
affect to other operators. Please let the investigation run its course and
report the findings. The NTSB and FAA were quickly on the scene and we are
working closely with them to aid in the investigation. As soon as we receive
some additional information, we will release it via the website
http://www.libertyfoundation.org .
The ultimate question remains, where does the Liberty Foundation go from
here? After the investigation and recovery, we will determine our options.
We are still committed to the restoration and flying of World War II
aircraft. Again, we appreciate the support and people offering to help get
us back flying.
Please check back for updates. I will close by thanking everyone that made
our tour so successful. From the first day of the B-17's restoration, thank
you for all of you who labored to get her flying over the initial
restoration years and to everyone that has worked on her out on tour since.
Thank you to the crewmembers, tour coordinators and volunteers who gave up
weekends and countless hours to support her on the road. And finally, thank
you to the passengers, donors and media patrons that flew aboard and
everyone who supported our cause. Hopefully, this will not be the end of the
story, but a new beginning.
Regards,
Ray Fowler
The Liberty Foundation, Chief Pilot
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| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Hey Charlie! I'm over here at Gundy's Airport (O38)... home of Chapter 10. I've
been working on my project here for a little over two years. Came down to
your neck of the woods a couple of months ago for the Wild Onion and Eggs Fly-In.
We were planning to camp there the last couple of years, but the weather...
wow! Can't catch a break.
You going to Brodhead this year? What about any of the local events?
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
| From: | "Piep" <charles(at)thecontactpoint.com> |
Hi Mark,
Yep. I am about 3 miles south of the Cookson Airport which hosts the Wild Onions
and Eggs fly-in. Snake Creek Wilderness is a paved strip on the mountain top
3,500 ft long and 150 ft. wide. The next time you are in the area, give me
a call.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Will do Charlie. Seems that I saw another event listed down there in the Vintage
newsletter.
Just wanted to add this so I could help keep the thread on topic.
Rogers asked-
Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion Johnson airspeed
indicator?
Nobody really answered his question. I asked the same question a while back and
someone very promptly sent me two close-up photos of their Johnson setup (one
static, one in flight) but I don't remember who it was (black wing struts, yellow
wings). Probably Chuck "Baby Oil" Gantzer or Ed Grentzer. I would be glad
to send out those photos to anyone who wants them; you could easily build
one just like it by eyeball, along with this narrative info found in the archives:
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It uses a .047" music wire, with 2 1/2 coils, and has a leg that is bent perpendicular
to lock the coil from rotating, and is inserted into the back plate.
The coil is 3/4" in diameter and is spaced off the backing plate with a threaded
thru bushing that is 3/8" long. From the center of the coil, to the tip of
the pointer, is 7". The bushing that is in the center of the coil is 3/8" diameter
and is about 3/32" long. The bolt is about a #6, and on each side of the
coil is a plastic washer that is 7/8" O.D. The coil and pivot point is covered
with a molded plastic teardrop shape fairing, and has a slot cut for the pointer
to travel in. The sweep of the arc is 70. The backing plate with the
indicator markings is .040 aluminum, probably 2024. The numbers are 20 thru 90
mph. The angle plate that the relative wind pushes against is 1 1/4" X 2 1/8"
X .030" thick, with the pointer is on the 3/8" leg of this angle, which is
next to the backing plate. To attach the music wire to the angle plate, it has
a small aluminum block that measures 1/4" X 1/4" X 3/4". The .040" wire is
drilled thru length wise, and has two #2 (or smaller) set screws to secure the
plate, wire, and block.
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
Charlie,
Here's the email I have for PF Beck: pfbeck(at)bellsouth.net
Good luck,
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piep
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: johnson airspeed indicator
Gary,
Thanks to you as well. I will keep trying to find Pfbeck although his listed
email of pfbeck(at)barnwellsc.com no longer seems to be a valid address.
I am pretty new to the forum and the "Piet" world as well, so am not sure
what you are referring to as far as "certain purists" goes.
I also ran across an old post by Kari-Ann Price who sells aftermarket kits.
Thanks again,
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: johnson airspeed indicator |
| From: | "Piep" <charles(at)thecontactpoint.com> |
Thanks, Gary. I will try to contact him. What a great forum! Thanks to everyone
who replied. I look forward to being part of the group.
Charlie
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Another Cable Question |
Jim,
I don't remember that reference in the book. I used three for my tail
cables. I have seen some with one but wonder if the tool has a wider
surface. See pictures.
Jack
DSM
http://textors.com/DSCN4200_800x600.jpg
http://textors.com/DSCN4199_800x600.jpg
http://textors.com/DSCN4201_800x600.jpg
http://textors.com/DSCN4202_800x600.jpg
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Cable Question
Another cable question; in Bingelis books and in AC43 it says that 3/32
copper oval cable sleeves only need to be crimped once. I am using 3/32
cable for the tail brace cables and I know I have seen other Piets with 3/32
tail brace cables but don't remember ever seeing just one crimp on the
copper sleeve.
Is that what those of you using 3/32 cable are doing just one crimp? Tried
doing three last night as a test and it can be done but doesn't look well
and just one crimp makes the ends swell up like you stepped in the middle of
a balloon.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Avon tires and Johnson Airspeed indicator |
I bought a very nicely made "kit" form Kerri Ann Price a while back. Here's
the last email I have keriannprice(at)hotmail.com
Those Avon tires will work fine. Also ck out Avon "Speedmaster"s, very
vintage as well. I've seen these tires on Piets, so know they work.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Building my first wing rib - the journey begins |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I am starting my first wing rib, and came across the following website-
http://www.2wings.com/m12/faq/wingfaq.htm#04/19/01%20RIB%20CONSTRUCTION,%20GUSSETS,%20GLUE,%20EPOXY,%20STAPLER,%20CLAMP,%20JOINT,%20CLAMPING%20SPAR%20CRUSH%20PLATE
This website is, apparently, is a Builder's area for Pitts Model 12 aircraft. In
reading through I found interesting tidbits of information, but the following
thread really caught my attention. I have cut and pasted it here to make it
easier to read-
"I re-read Cory's post, It does sound as though Cory is gluing the sticks together,
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