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The flight of Cessnas will include a 140, 150, 152, 172, 177, 182 and a 337.
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| From: | "amsafetyc(at)aol.com" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
> Since moving into the hangar I contacted my Allstate insurance
> agent to find
> out about coverage for my almost an airplane. I wasn certain if it
> woul be
> considered an airplane or content. They were going to contact home
> office
> and get back to me,still waiting.....
>
> So the question in my mind is at what point does it become an
> airplane? Like
> everyone else I too am highly protective of my thousands of hours
> of work
> and up to date accomplishments and would like to bind appropriate
> coverage
> for all non act of God perils.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions or is that a carrier and or EAA question?
>
> I would doubt the leesor would have any coverage beyond structure
> to protect
> its assets.
>
> So how would I protect mine. Allstate says if its content it could
> be
> covered under my homeowners policy but that would be more content
> and pay
> only for base materials since its not an airplane yet
>
> When it becomes an airplane it would have a policy similar to an
> auto or
> motor vehicle policy.
>
> As a project its neither an airplane nor a pile of lumber.
>
> I am interested to learn the legal aspects of it and anyone elses
> experience
> in this area.
>
> Not wanting to admit it but I am perplexed and concerned about
> other
> remnants in my row
>
> Please advise
>
> John
>
> Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
>
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
We never carried hull on any airplane we've owned. My dad didn't either.
When you put an airplane on floats your rates go sky high. About 6% of hul
l value or more. 50yrs of flying and 1 accident with substantial damage (v
ery substantial) I think we're ahead of the game=2C but that's just my opi
nion. Most are not comfortable with it. Don't carry collision on my cars
either. But=2C they're not worth much--lol
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
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| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Once I bought my engine (Rotec radial) I wanted to have coverage.- so my project
is covered by Avemco for about $350 a year. It's worth a dollar a day to me.
I am covered for $35,000 which may sound insane for a Pietenpol but the engine
is about $18,000 of that and I've paid to have all my welding done professinly.
I do not want to come home to a burned down condo but at least if I do my
three years of work and $$ would be covered....... IMHO
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
That should say professionally....! [Embarassed]
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: high altitude Piet |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Douwe,
There are a number of Piets flying here in Colorado. Altitude and
density altitude are concerns no matter the airplane. At the moment,
the density altitude at our home field (KLMO) is 8200. Except in
winter, you probably would be flying a one-place airplane. In our
Pacer, we probably spend more time fiddling with the red knob than the
black one. Mixture control is crucial. Of course, in winter, you'd
have to consider the weight of the snowmobile suit you'd probably be
wearing.
The other concern would be the route to get your Piet into the South
Park basin. The mountains ringing it are pretty high. I suppose you
could follow the Arkansas River into and out of the area (for example,
on annual pilgrimages to Brodhead) but sections of that are awfully
rugged with few places to put an airplane safely down in a pinch.
Otherwise you might need to fly north through Wyoming to get access to
the rest of country. There, the fuel stops are pretty widely spaced.
Still, you couldn't ask for a prettier or more majestic place to fly.
Cheers, Ken
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 6:26 PM, mark lee wrote:
> It's a long way to anything lower from there.If you can deal with the
> altitude it's a great area.
>
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Douwe Blumberg
> wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure if itll ever happen, but a move to the high country of Colorado
>> MIGHT take place one year in the future. The closest airports are Buena
>> Vista at 7900 feet and Salida at 7400 feet elevation. (8000ft and 7000ft
>> long respectively!)
>>
>>
>>
>> My piet has standard wings, but a new C-90 turning a Cloud Car prop. The
>> approaches to both these fields open as theyre in the middle of the same
>> valley.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you think Id be okay?
>>
>>
>>
>> I remember Mountain Piet was based out of Buena Vista, and with his
>> reduced Subaru, he did fine while it flew, though it was turbocharged.
>>
>>
>>
>> Im sure I could find lower fields, but they start getting farther and
>> farther away, which makes things less enjoyable and convenient.
>>
>>
>>
>> Douwe
>>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>
>
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| From: | "jim" <quinnj(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Chuck, Thanks a ton. Will definitely call them!!!
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Campbell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Yes! I bought my turnbuckles from B & B for $7.50 each -- about 1/4th
what AS charges. In case you don't have it, their address is: B & B
Aircraft Supplies, PO Box 37, 202 South Center, Gardner, KS 66030, phone
(913) 884-5930, fax (913) 884-6533. Hope that helps. Don't know if
they have turnbuckles right now, but you can certainly not go wrong by
checking. Good Fortune (I don't believe in Luck). Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Jim
You may want to order them from B & B you can speak to them and the
will help with your application selection. They are if not already
preping for Oshkosh so call soon. Great folks to work with helpful and
priced much better than others
John
Happy independance day celebrating by building my Piet no better way
to honor those that bought and paid for our freedom
Please archive
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From: jim <quinnj(at)sbcglobal.net>
To: Piet list
Sent: Mon, Jul 4, 2011 00:50:13 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
I'm looking to order the turnbuckles for the aileron and tail
brace wires. Got very confused looking at the AC catalog offerings.
Help! What do I need to order?
Thanks,
Jim
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| From: | "jim" <quinnj(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Greg,
Thanks a lot, the drawings were extremely helpful!!!!
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Cardinal
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Start by selecting the cable you will use, then select the appropriate
components. It helps to draw it out on paper.
Attached are a couple of pdf's to get you going.
Greg Cardinal
Pursuing liberty and happiness this afternoon by going flying.....
----- Original Message -----
From: jim
To: Piet list
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 7:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
I'm looking to order the turnbuckles for the aileron and tail brace
wires. Got very confused looking at the AC catalog offerings. Help! What
do I need to order?
Thanks,
Jim
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ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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| From: | "jim" <quinnj(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Thanks John, you and two others suggested B7B. I'll definately call
them.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Jim
You may want to order them from B & B you can speak to them and the
will help with your application selection. They are if not already
preping for Oshkosh so call soon. Great folks to work with helpful and
priced much better than others
John
Happy independance day celebrating by building my Piet no better way
to honor those that bought and paid for our freedom
Please archive
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: jim <quinnj(at)sbcglobal.net>
To: Piet list
Sent: Mon, Jul 4, 2011 00:50:13 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
I'm looking to order the turnbuckles for the aileron and tail brace
wires. Got very confused looking at the AC catalog offerings. Help! What
do I need to order?
Thanks,
Jim
~=B2=03
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| Subject: | Re: High altitude piet |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Mark,
When we lived in Indiana, I didn't give a second thought to density
altitude and terrain. Now I do. My thinking has evolved as a result
of living in Colorado.
One, building light. This has become my mantra. To be sure, some
things were too late to change. I built the fuselage before we moved
to CO. So I have birch plywood instead of mahogany on the fuselage.
Now, however, I've become a subscriber to the old saw that, if you are
thinking about adding something to your airplane, throw it up in the
air. If it comes back down, it is too heavy. I even went with 1"
routed spars, which by my calculations end up lighter than 3/4"
unrouted spars. This is because the 1" routed spars are essentially
the same weight as the 3/4" spar, but with the latter you have to add
1/8" plywood plates wherever fittings are going to be attached.
Two, I am extending my wings by 1 1/2 feet, so my wingspan will be 30'
6", rather than 29'. At first glance not much, but by increasing the
span by almost 9% the added span helps offset the thinner air we have
here.
Third, I've opted for a center section flop rather than a cutout. My
reading on the subject suggests that a cutout reduces lift by a
non-trivial amount, as the cutout interrupts the wing span almost like
a wing tip does.
Fourth, I'm opting for a Corvair. Others (e.g. Dangerous Dave) have
opted for the O-235. Added horsepower makes sense. But the O-235 is
heavier than the Corvair. And the Corvair, properly built, should
generate close to 100 hp (sea level), which is still in the range of
75 or 80 hp here, depending on density altitude.
With these things in mind, I don't think there is any reason why I
can't have loads of fun with my Piet, including taking it into the
back country from time to time. Getting over the passes will always
be a challenge. From the north, the lowest pass into South Pass is at
Leadville -- and that isn't low. Just a few miles away, for us, is
Rollins Pass. For that one, you need to climb to about 12,500. If
conditions are nice, that should be doable, though I think having
emergency supplies, a cell phone, and a credit card on board would
still be advisable.
Cheers, Ken
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 6:18 PM, mark lee wrote:
> Yes I like that area.I am considering moving there.I like the milder winters
> and lower elevation.Of course Silverton is a bit lower than Leadville but
> those long winters get old after awhile.There hasn't been a runway in
> Silverton for many years anyway.I've hit thermals and turbulence that might
> break a piet there.So at times like mid afternoon at summers peak are to be
> avoided.Yes it's cold I've had my water bottle freeze at 14500 in July.So I
> know you aren't kidding very much about the snowmobile suit.I was thinking
> of a big corvair that could sneak over the ranges early in the morning
> before it gets hot and rough.With the right engine set up with lean control,
> gauges,prop,back flow fuel lines etc it seems possible.Do you see any big
> holes in my thinking? This is the time to find any that are there.I don't
> want a high performance fast plane,Only to be able to go high now and then.A
> friend in Ouray has a Bell 47-G and he does it--very carefully.
>
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
I agree. I've owned 3 airplanes plus the Piet now under construction
and I've never carried hull insurance either. I think liability
insurance is mandatory, but not hull.
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Dever
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 3:10 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
We never carried hull on any airplane we've owned. My dad didn't
either. When you put an airplane on floats your rates go sky high.
About 6% of hull value or more. 50yrs of flying and 1 accident with
substantial damage (very substantial) I think we're ahead of the game,
but that's just my opinion. Most are not comfortable with it. Don't
carry collision on my cars either. But, they're not worth much--lol
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: High altitude piet |
| From: | mark lee <mlmarkelee7(at)gmail.com> |
If the math works for lengthening the wing it sounds great.Now keep in mind
that I'm an old hang glider pilot used to much lighter wing loading and
lower stall speeds.At a higher altitude field, the air can get downright
squirrely close to the ground.Not only that but ground effect and wind
lamination always seems to be worse. Throw in some thermal induced
turbulence or even a healthy thermal breaking free and ouch.So what is a
lengthened wing going to do to the roll rate and control-ability? When I try
to visualize the wing structure and strength my mind goes tink and the
lights go out.I can see what you are after and that much makes a lot of
sense to me.I'm just not smart enough to be able to understand all the
structural and handling effects that might happen.Would the control surfaces
and braces need to be moved out a bit?I wonder if it has been done before on
a piets wing?
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Ken Bickers wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> When we lived in Indiana, I didn't give a second thought to density
> altitude and terrain. Now I do. My thinking has evolved as a result
> of living in Colorado.
>
> One, building light. This has become my mantra. To be sure, some
> things were too late to change. I built the fuselage before we moved
> to CO. So I have birch plywood instead of mahogany on the fuselage.
> Now, however, I've become a subscriber to the old saw that, if you are
> thinking about adding something to your airplane, throw it up in the
> air. If it comes back down, it is too heavy. I even went with 1"
> routed spars, which by my calculations end up lighter than 3/4"
> unrouted spars. This is because the 1" routed spars are essentially
> the same weight as the 3/4" spar, but with the latter you have to add
> 1/8" plywood plates wherever fittings are going to be attached.
>
> Two, I am extending my wings by 1 1/2 feet, so my wingspan will be 30'
> 6", rather than 29'. At first glance not much, but by increasing the
> span by almost 9% the added span helps offset the thinner air we have
> here.
>
> Third, I've opted for a center section flop rather than a cutout. My
> reading on the subject suggests that a cutout reduces lift by a
> non-trivial amount, as the cutout interrupts the wing span almost like
> a wing tip does.
>
> Fourth, I'm opting for a Corvair. Others (e.g. Dangerous Dave) have
> opted for the O-235. Added horsepower makes sense. But the O-235 is
> heavier than the Corvair. And the Corvair, properly built, should
> generate close to 100 hp (sea level), which is still in the range of
> 75 or 80 hp here, depending on density altitude.
>
> With these things in mind, I don't think there is any reason why I
> can't have loads of fun with my Piet, including taking it into the
> back country from time to time. Getting over the passes will always
> be a challenge. From the north, the lowest pass into South Pass is at
> Leadville -- and that isn't low. Just a few miles away, for us, is
> Rollins Pass. For that one, you need to climb to about 12,500. If
> conditions are nice, that should be doable, though I think having
> emergency supplies, a cell phone, and a credit card on board would
> still be advisable.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 6:18 PM, mark lee wrote:
> > Yes I like that area.I am considering moving there.I like the milder
> winters
> > and lower elevation.Of course Silverton is a bit lower than Leadville but
> > those long winters get old after awhile.There hasn't been a runway in
> > Silverton for many years anyway.I've hit thermals and turbulence that
> might
> > break a piet there.So at times like mid afternoon at summers peak are to
> be
> > avoided.Yes it's cold I've had my water bottle freeze at 14500 in July.So
> I
> > know you aren't kidding very much about the snowmobile suit.I was
> thinking
> > of a big corvair that could sneak over the ranges early in the morning
> > before it gets hot and rough.With the right engine set up with lean
> control,
> > gauges,prop,back flow fuel lines etc it seems possible.Do you see any big
> > holes in my thinking? This is the time to find any that are there.I don't
> > want a high performance fast plane,Only to be able to go high now and
> then.A
> > friend in Ouray has a Bell 47-G and he does it--very carefully.
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: High altitude piet |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Lengthening the wing is a fairly common mod on the Piets. In some
cases, more than I'm doing. The roll rate on Piets, when built
strictly to plans, is not much to write home about, even under the
best of circumstances. That is why most folks add aileron seals. I'm
lengthening the wings 9" per side. I'm moving the struts out half the
increase in span, which is 4 1/2" per side. I've run the numbers,
based on the publications that Chris Tracey has on his website. The
strength of the wing is reduced, but not by very much. That, too, was
one of my considerations in going with the 1" inch routed spar.
Relative to 3/4" spars, that more than compensates for the added 4 1/2
inches outside the struts.
As for gusts and thermals -- those I haven't got numbers on or anyway
realistically to estimate. I guess that will be one of the things
that I'll learn about once the bird is flying.
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 8:13 PM, mark lee wrote:
> If the math works for lengthening the wing it sounds great.Now keep in mind
> that I'm an old hang glider pilot used to much lighter wing loading and
> lower stall speeds.At a higher altitude field, the air can get downright
> squirrely close to the ground.Not only that but ground effect and wind
> lamination always seems to be worse. Throw in some thermal induced
> turbulence or even a healthy thermal breaking free and ouch.So what is a
> lengthened wing going to do to the roll rate and control-ability? When I try
> to visualize the wing structure and strength my mind goes tink and the
> lights go out.I can see what you are after and that much makes a lot of
> sense to me.I'm just not smart enough to be able to understand all the
> structural and handling effects that might happen.Would the control surfaces
> and braces need to be moved out a bit?I wonder if it has been done before on
> a piets wing?
>
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Ken Bickers wrote:
>>
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> When we lived in Indiana, I didn't give a second thought to density
>> altitude and terrain. Now I do. My thinking has evolved as a result
>> of living in Colorado.
>>
>> One, building light. This has become my mantra. To be sure, some
>> things were too late to change. I built the fuselage before we moved
>> to CO. So I have birch plywood instead of mahogany on the fuselage.
>> Now, however, I've become a subscriber to the old saw that, if you are
>> thinking about adding something to your airplane, throw it up in the
>> air. If it comes back down, it is too heavy. I even went with 1"
>> routed spars, which by my calculations end up lighter than 3/4"
>> unrouted spars. This is because the 1" routed spars are essentially
>> the same weight as the 3/4" spar, but with the latter you have to add
>> 1/8" plywood plates wherever fittings are going to be attached.
>>
>> Two, I am extending my wings by 1 1/2 feet, so my wingspan will be 30'
>> 6", rather than 29'. At first glance not much, but by increasing the
>> span by almost 9% the added span helps offset the thinner air we have
>> here.
>>
>> Third, I've opted for a center section flop rather than a cutout. My
>> reading on the subject suggests that a cutout reduces lift by a
>> non-trivial amount, as the cutout interrupts the wing span almost like
>> a wing tip does.
>>
>> Fourth, I'm opting for a Corvair. Others (e.g. Dangerous Dave) have
>> opted for the O-235. Added horsepower makes sense. But the O-235 is
>> heavier than the Corvair. And the Corvair, properly built, should
>> generate close to 100 hp (sea level), which is still in the range of
>> 75 or 80 hp here, depending on density altitude.
>>
>> With these things in mind, I don't think there is any reason why I
>> can't have loads of fun with my Piet, including taking it into the
>> back country from time to time. Getting over the passes will always
>> be a challenge. From the north, the lowest pass into South Pass is at
>> Leadville -- and that isn't low. Just a few miles away, for us, is
>> Rollins Pass. For that one, you need to climb to about 12,500. If
>> conditions are nice, that should be doable, though I think having
>> emergency supplies, a cell phone, and a credit card on board would
>> still be advisable.
>>
>> Cheers, Ken
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 6:18 PM, mark lee wrote:
>> > Yes I like that area.I am considering moving there.I like the milder
>> > winters
>> > and lower elevation.Of course Silverton is a bit lower than Leadville
>> > but
>> > those long winters get old after awhile.There hasn't been a runway in
>> > Silverton for many years anyway.I've hit thermals and turbulence that
>> > might
>> > break a piet there.So at times like mid afternoon at summers peak are to
>> > be
>> > avoided.Yes it's cold I've had my water bottle freeze at 14500 in
>> > July.So I
>> > know you aren't kidding very much about the snowmobile suit.I was
>> > thinking
>> > of a big corvair that could sneak over the ranges early in the morning
>> > before it gets hot and rough.With the right engine set up with lean
>> > control,
>> > gauges,prop,back flow fuel lines etc it seems possible.Do you see any
>> > big
>> > holes in my thinking? This is the time to find any that are there.I
>> > don't
>> > want a high performance fast plane,Only to be able to go high now and
>> > then.A
>> > friend in Ouray has a Bell 47-G and he does it--very carefully.
>> >
>>
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| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
At the beginning of this year I started a new job as a loss control consultant
for an insurance agency. I handle safety and compliance for our larger commercial
accounts. I'm pretty far from the agent side, but our agents do write policies
for aircraft. In fact they write my airplanes. They write any airplane
all the way back to 1903. There is no required level of insurance to carry,
not even liability. Unless a specific locale might require it. Non-movement
hull insurance can be purchased for a "not finished" homebuilt. The premium
really isn't too bad and you either purchase an "agreed value" or you can purchase
an amount that is equivalent to your receipts as long as a total loss would
not exceed a set amount. Insurance can get complicated but there are some
good policies out there and for a small investment it's not a bad idea. In addition
to having liability coverage, I know when I head out into storm country
in a couple of weeks and leave it out at night under trees, it's nice to know
I have that non-movement hull coverage that is pretty reasonably priced. "In
movement" hull coverage, however, is pretty pricey for homebuilts and can be
hard to justify.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
I usually have no insurance on my plane either, unless I am looking to fly young
eagles. However, in this case I insured it so that if for some reason there
was an accident the people kindly storing my plane would be covered.
Blue Skies,
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Date: Monday, July 4, 2011 20:22
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
> I agree. I've owned 3 airplanes plus the Piet now under
> construction and I've never carried hull insurance either. I think
> liability insurance is mandatory, but not hull.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Doug Dever
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 3:10 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
>
>
> We never carried hull on any airplane we've owned. My dad didn't
> either. When you put an airplane on floats your rates go sky high.
> About 6% of hull value or more. 50yrs of flying and 1 accident
> with substantial damage (very substantial) I think we're ahead of
> the game, but that's just my opinion. Most are not comfortable
> with it. Don't carry collision on my cars either. But, they're
> not worth much--lol
>
> Doug Dever
> In beautiful Stow Ohio
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: High altitude piet |
| From: | mark lee <mlmarkelee7(at)gmail.com> |
Sounds like you are really on it.With any luck in the future I'll be able to
sell this house in Moorpark Ca and be right behind you.I've been reading up
on the corvair stuff.The 3100 sounds like the ticket.Not cheap but a lot is
going to be asked of it at times.That Mountain Piet out of Salida just sort
of fell off the map.I haven't heard anything in a long time other than it
suffered a fuel problem.He had towed sail planes at that altitude! After
over 30 years in Silverton I think I'm done with it other than
visits.Durango used to be nice and has Animas Airpark but its to big now. I
want an easier going life and a good shop to build a plane etc.The corvair
stuff written by Mark Langsford is really interesting if you haven't already
read it.He has done some neat engine work and even uses some normal pump
gas.How to get around pre-detonation and vapor lock is what drew my eye.He
has a KR2.He broke a corvair crank and really hit the books figuring out
why.
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Ken Bickers wrote:
>
> Lengthening the wing is a fairly common mod on the Piets. In some
> cases, more than I'm doing. The roll rate on Piets, when built
> strictly to plans, is not much to write home about, even under the
> best of circumstances. That is why most folks add aileron seals. I'm
> lengthening the wings 9" per side. I'm moving the struts out half the
> increase in span, which is 4 1/2" per side. I've run the numbers,
> based on the publications that Chris Tracey has on his website. The
> strength of the wing is reduced, but not by very much. That, too, was
> one of my considerations in going with the 1" inch routed spar.
> Relative to 3/4" spars, that more than compensates for the added 4 1/2
> inches outside the struts.
>
> As for gusts and thermals -- those I haven't got numbers on or anyway
> realistically to estimate. I guess that will be one of the things
> that I'll learn about once the bird is flying.
>
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 8:13 PM, mark lee wrote:
> > If the math works for lengthening the wing it sounds great.Now keep in
> mind
> > that I'm an old hang glider pilot used to much lighter wing loading and
> > lower stall speeds.At a higher altitude field, the air can get downright
> > squirrely close to the ground.Not only that but ground effect and wind
> > lamination always seems to be worse. Throw in some thermal induced
> > turbulence or even a healthy thermal breaking free and ouch.So what is a
> > lengthened wing going to do to the roll rate and control-ability? When I
> try
> > to visualize the wing structure and strength my mind goes tink and the
> > lights go out.I can see what you are after and that much makes a lot of
> > sense to me.I'm just not smart enough to be able to understand all the
> > structural and handling effects that might happen.Would the control
> surfaces
> > and braces need to be moved out a bit?I wonder if it has been done before
> on
> > a piets wing?
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Ken Bickers
> wrote:
> >>
> bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Mark,
> >>
> >> When we lived in Indiana, I didn't give a second thought to density
> >> altitude and terrain. Now I do. My thinking has evolved as a result
> >> of living in Colorado.
> >>
> >> One, building light. This has become my mantra. To be sure, some
> >> things were too late to change. I built the fuselage before we moved
> >> to CO. So I have birch plywood instead of mahogany on the fuselage.
> >> Now, however, I've become a subscriber to the old saw that, if you are
> >> thinking about adding something to your airplane, throw it up in the
> >> air. If it comes back down, it is too heavy. I even went with 1"
> >> routed spars, which by my calculations end up lighter than 3/4"
> >> unrouted spars. This is because the 1" routed spars are essentially
> >> the same weight as the 3/4" spar, but with the latter you have to add
> >> 1/8" plywood plates wherever fittings are going to be attached.
> >>
> >> Two, I am extending my wings by 1 1/2 feet, so my wingspan will be 30'
> >> 6", rather than 29'. At first glance not much, but by increasing the
> >> span by almost 9% the added span helps offset the thinner air we have
> >> here.
> >>
> >> Third, I've opted for a center section flop rather than a cutout. My
> >> reading on the subject suggests that a cutout reduces lift by a
> >> non-trivial amount, as the cutout interrupts the wing span almost like
> >> a wing tip does.
> >>
> >> Fourth, I'm opting for a Corvair. Others (e.g. Dangerous Dave) have
> >> opted for the O-235. Added horsepower makes sense. But the O-235 is
> >> heavier than the Corvair. And the Corvair, properly built, should
> >> generate close to 100 hp (sea level), which is still in the range of
> >> 75 or 80 hp here, depending on density altitude.
> >>
> >> With these things in mind, I don't think there is any reason why I
> >> can't have loads of fun with my Piet, including taking it into the
> >> back country from time to time. Getting over the passes will always
> >> be a challenge. From the north, the lowest pass into South Pass is at
> >> Leadville -- and that isn't low. Just a few miles away, for us, is
> >> Rollins Pass. For that one, you need to climb to about 12,500. If
> >> conditions are nice, that should be doable, though I think having
> >> emergency supplies, a cell phone, and a credit card on board would
> >> still be advisable.
> >>
> >> Cheers, Ken
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 6:18 PM, mark lee wrote:
> >> > Yes I like that area.I am considering moving there.I like the milder
> >> > winters
> >> > and lower elevation.Of course Silverton is a bit lower than Leadville
> >> > but
> >> > those long winters get old after awhile.There hasn't been a runway in
> >> > Silverton for many years anyway.I've hit thermals and turbulence that
> >> > might
> >> > break a piet there.So at times like mid afternoon at summers peak are
> to
> >> > be
> >> > avoided.Yes it's cold I've had my water bottle freeze at 14500 in
> >> > July.So I
> >> > know you aren't kidding very much about the snowmobile suit.I was
> >> > thinking
> >> > of a big corvair that could sneak over the ranges early in the morning
> >> > before it gets hot and rough.With the right engine set up with lean
> >> > control,
> >> > gauges,prop,back flow fuel lines etc it seems possible.Do you see any
> >> > big
> >> > holes in my thinking? This is the time to find any that are there.I
> >> > don't
> >> > want a high performance fast plane,Only to be able to go high now and
> >> > then.A
> >> > friend in Ouray has a Bell 47-G and he does it--very carefully.
> >> >
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
My homeowners policy covers materials, tools, equipment... everything. Until it
becomes an actual airplane all of these things are considered stored items that
I will be reimbursed for in the event of a loss. Gotta love USAA... if you
are eligible I would recommend them.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Like Don, I carry Liability and Ground Hull insurance on my Pietenpol. You
aren't allowed to participate in EAA Young Eagle flights if you don't have
Liability insurance, and ground hull is quite cheap. I have my insurance
with Falcon, the EAA's carrier. Cost is a little over $400 per year.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 10:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Insurance
At the beginning of this year I started a new job as a loss control
consultant for an insurance agency. I handle safety and compliance for our
larger commercial accounts. I'm pretty far from the agent side, but our
agents do write policies for aircraft. In fact they write my airplanes.
They write any airplane all the way back to 1903. There is no required
level of insurance to carry, not even liability. Unless a specific locale
might require it. Non-movement hull insurance can be purchased for a "not
finished" homebuilt. The premium really isn't too bad and you either
purchase an "agreed value" or you can purchase an amount that is equivalent
to your receipts as long as a total loss would not exceed a set amount.
Insurance can get complicated but there are some good policies out there and
for a small investment it's not a bad idea. In addition to having liability
coverage, I know when I head out into storm country in a couple of weeks and
leave it out at night unde!
r trees, it's nice to know I have that non-movement hull coverage that is
pretty reasonably priced. "In movement" hull coverage, however, is pretty
pricey for homebuilts and can be hard to justify.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
Don=2C
Nice fact to know. I did not realize there was such a thing.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Insurance
> From: EmchAir(at)aol.com
> Date: Mon=2C 4 Jul 2011 19:33:19 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> At the beginning of this year I started a new job as a loss control consu
ltant for an insurance agency. I handle safety and compliance for our large
r commercial accounts. I'm pretty far from the agent side=2C but our agents
do write policies for aircraft. In fact they write my airplanes. They writ
e any airplane all the way back to 1903. There is no required level of insu
rance to carry=2C not even liability. Unless a specific locale might requir
e it. Non-movement hull insurance can be purchased for a "not finished" hom
ebuilt. The premium really isn't too bad and you either purchase an "agreed
value" or you can purchase an amount that is equivalent to your receipts a
s long as a total loss would not exceed a set amount. Insurance can get com
plicated but there are some good policies out there and for a small investm
ent it's not a bad idea. In addition to having liability coverage=2C I know
when I head out into storm country in a couple of weeks and leave it out a
t night unde!
> r trees=2C it's nice to know I have that non-movement hull coverage that
is pretty reasonably priced. "In movement" hull coverage=2C however=2C is p
retty pricey for homebuilts and can be hard to justify.
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets |
Members:
Semper Fi and hope your 4th was with family and friends!
The plans call for metal fittings on the tail section to be 13 ga. 5/8" wide steel.
Recommendations as to proper steel? (i.e. 4130 or local hardware steel or
what is others using?)
Jack - Can you resend the hinge diagrams/drawings and pictures for bending them
up. I filed them away for safe keeping and can't find them! I am at the stage
of attaching my vertical fin and stabilizer and want to make these hinges. Truly
need your prints and 'how too' diagrams.
Lastly, any thoughts or ideas of what other have used/done to allow for some front
fin offset? Should one consider this modification as part of trim?
KMHeide
Hawley, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Ken,
I used 4130.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 5, 2011 2:45 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets
com>
Members:
Semper Fi and hope your 4th was with family and friends!
The plans call for metal fittings on the tail section to be 13 ga. 5/8" wid
e
teel. Recommendations as to proper steel? (i.e. 4130 or local hardware stee
l or
hat is others using?)
Jack - Can you resend the hinge diagrams/drawings and pictures for bending
them
p. I filed them away for safe keeping and can't find them! I am at the stag
e of
ttaching my vertical fin and stabilizer and want to make these hinges. Trul
y
eed your prints and 'how too' diagrams.
Lastly, any thoughts or ideas of what other have used/done to allow for som
e
ront fin offset? Should one consider this modification as part of trim?
KMHeide
awley, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
I made mine from 0.090" 4130 sheet.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets |
Ken,
"Jack" as in Textor? I used Vi Kapler's cast aluminum hinges. I believe
Jim Markle used the type of hinge you are describing.
Jack
DSM
Jack Textor
Des Moines, IA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide
CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 2:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets
Members:
Semper Fi and hope your 4th was with family and friends!
The plans call for metal fittings on the tail section to be 13 ga. 5/8" wide
steel. Recommendations as to proper steel? (i.e. 4130 or local hardware
steel or what is others using?)
Jack - Can you resend the hinge diagrams/drawings and pictures for bending
them up. I filed them away for safe keeping and can't find them! I am at the
stage of attaching my vertical fin and stabilizer and want to make these
hinges. Truly need your prints and 'how too' diagrams.
Lastly, any thoughts or ideas of what other have used/done to allow for some
front fin offset? Should one consider this modification as part of trim?
KMHeide
Hawley, MN
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| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Jack, mine is also $400 per year. I had a claim when my hangar collapsed on the
Piet about 6 years ago. Somewhere around $8,000. Very simple, they asked me
to write up an estimate at a reasonable hourly rate plus materials. That was
my estimate. Overall it worked out very well.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Routed Fuse slats |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hi All:
I have Keri-Ann's door plans, and it shows on there that you can route the
cross members and some of the fuse pieces with some box bits to save a bit
of weight. I have tried to do this with a 1/2" box bit and have had
reasonable success, but I have one diagonal that wandered a bit from center,
and I want to make a center jig for my trimmer router to get a good, center
line on the rest of the members.
I made one tonight with a 1/8" thick washer with a 1/2" center hole, and
attached it to the router. Looked great, and the clearance was very close to
the hole in the Washerb ut it was free from touching.... until I turned it
on and the vibration kicked the bit over just a touch and "Whack" there went
one edge of the Box Bit...
So, for you guys that routed out the centers on the fuse sticks, what did
you use to jig up the router? I decided to do this after the fuse sides were
made, so if you did it before the fuse was actually glued together, I guess
that would'a been a better option, but not one for me...
I am thinking that I might just do the inside rails of the other side and
call it quits, since I have only routed part of the fuse on the inside side
of the left fuse side... I'll keep it even, and perhaps skip the outside of
the fuse... However, I thought it was a neat way to save a bit of weight
(maybe a very little bit....)
Suggestions?
Thanks.
Mark
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
So who besides me will be at Arlington?
I will be in spot yj10 as of Thursday afternoon.
Sometime.
Border guardians willing.
Clif
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| Subject: | Re: The hits just keep on coming |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Hi John,
Sounds to me like the guy is looking for some free upgrades to his hangar. Then
he can get even more rent from the next guy. Perhaps you can get him to pay
for the upgrades. I know, possible but not probable.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets |
Sorry, I missed the first part of this conversation (the story of my life) so maybe
the attached is what Jack is referring to..or not....
If you're interested, I scanned the sketch I made to build these from....
I think this is how the Flybaby hinges are made. Whatever, they're easy and cheap...and
work very well (at least when I'm hangar flying!)
Jim in...Gallup NM....at least for the rest of the week...and REALLY looking forward
to getting to Brodhead at least for Friday and Saturday...looking forward
to seeing everyone!!!!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
>Sent: Jul 5, 2011 6:34 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets
>
>
>Ken,
>"Jack" as in Textor? I used Vi Kapler's cast aluminum hinges. I believe
>Jim Markle used the type of hinge you are describing.
>Jack
>DSM
>Jack Textor
>Des Moines, IA
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide
>CPO/FAAOP
>Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 2:42 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vertical Fin and Stabilizer brackets
>
>
>
>Members:
>
>Semper Fi and hope your 4th was with family and friends!
>
>The plans call for metal fittings on the tail section to be 13 ga. 5/8" wide
>steel. Recommendations as to proper steel? (i.e. 4130 or local hardware
>steel or what is others using?)
>
>Jack - Can you resend the hinge diagrams/drawings and pictures for bending
>them up. I filed them away for safe keeping and can't find them! I am at the
>stage of attaching my vertical fin and stabilizer and want to make these
>hinges. Truly need your prints and 'how too' diagrams.
>
>Lastly, any thoughts or ideas of what other have used/done to allow for some
>front fin offset? Should one consider this modification as part of trim?
>
>KMHeide
>Hawley, MN
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Routed Fuse slats |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Sorry, I have no first-hand experience to offer. I don't believe that many builders
have routed their fuselage members, so there likely won't be a lot of feedback
to your question.
I guess you already know the risks involved (having had one cut wander off of center).
One small slip, and you're into re-building, rather than building. I'm
not convinced that the benefits outweigh (hey, there's a pun) the risks.
I imagine that the weight savings are minimal, and the actual doing of the work
sounds like a pain in the butt (especially with the fuse assembled). Additionally,
routing WILL weaken the structure, so you really have to be careful where
the routing is done, to ensure that critical components are not compromised.
I'd keep the routing to a minimum. That's what I did (I have none).
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Routed Fuse slats |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
I routed my spars, which -- after quite a bit of head scratching to
figure out a way to jig everything in place -- turned out to be
comparatively simple. I took a bunch of pictures, which I can share,
if that would be useful.
I didn't try to route the fuselage pieces. I think the weight savings
would be hard to justify, relative to the risk of screwing something
up.
Besides routers produce a lot of torque. If you raise the tail of the
fuselage with the router spinning, you'll be dealing with p-factor,
too. If you aren't quick with your feet, you might find yourself off
the side of your shop.
Ken
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Bill Church wrote:
>
> Sorry, I have no first-hand experience to offer. I don't believe that many builders
have routed their fuselage members, so there likely won't be a lot of feedback
to your question.
>
> I guess you already know the risks involved (having had one cut wander off of
center). One small slip, and you're into re-building, rather than building. I'm
not convinced that the benefits outweigh (hey, there's a pun) the risks.
> I imagine that the weight savings are minimal, and the actual doing of the work
sounds like a pain in the butt (especially with the fuse assembled). Additionally,
routing WILL weaken the structure, so you really have to be careful where
the routing is done, to ensure that critical components are not compromised.
> I'd keep the routing to a minimum. That's what I did (I have none).
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345111#345111
>
>
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Routed Fuse slats |
Mark, I routed mine before I assembled the parts using a router table so I g
uess I'm not going to be much help. You might be able to make a base plate t
hat screws onto your router with a couple of guide pins sticking out to loca
te the bit on the center of the member being routed. You'd still have to be c
areful and it probably isn't worth risking the destruction of your fuselage s
ide.
Mike Groah
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> I have Keri-Ann's door plans, and it shows on there that you can route the
cross members and some of the fuse pieces with some box bits to save a bit o
f weight. I have tried to do this with a 1/2" box bit and have had reasonabl
e success, but I have one diagonal that wandered a bit from center, and I wa
nt to make a center jig for my trimmer router to get a good, center line on t
he rest of the members.
>
> I made one tonight with a 1/8" thick washer with a 1/2" center hole, and a
ttached it to the router. Looked great, and the clearance was very close to t
he hole in the Washerb ut it was free from touching.... until I turned it on
and the vibration kicked the bit over just a touch and "Whack" there went o
ne edge of the Box Bit...
>
> So, for you guys that routed out the centers on the fuse sticks, what did y
ou use to jig up the router? I decided to do this after the fuse sides were m
ade, so if you did it before the fuse was actually glued together, I guess t
hat would'a been a better option, but not one for me...
>
> I am thinking that I might just do the inside rails of the other side and c
all it quits, since I have only routed part of the fuse on the inside side o
f the left fuse side... I'll keep it even, and perhaps skip the outside of t
he fuse... However, I thought it was a neat way to save a bit of weight (may
be a very little bit....)
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mark
>
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Routed Fuse slats |
Where did this routing of fuselage members come from? I have digested
the plans several times and I see no mention of routing anything except
the wing spars and then only if you're using 1-inch thick spars.
Comments?
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Groah
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats
Mark, I routed mine before I assembled the parts using a router table
so I guess I'm not going to be much help. You might be able to make a
base plate that screws onto your router with a couple of guide pins
sticking out to locate the bit on the center of the member being routed.
You'd still have to be careful and it probably isn't worth risking the
destruction of your fuselage side.
Mike Groah
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Mark Roberts
wrote:
Hi All:
I have Keri-Ann's door plans, and it shows on there that you can
route the cross members and some of the fuse pieces with some box bits
to save a bit of weight. I have tried to do this with a 1/2" box bit and
have had reasonable success, but I have one diagonal that wandered a bit
from center, and I want to make a center jig for my trimmer router to
get a good, center line on the rest of the members.
I made one tonight with a 1/8" thick washer with a 1/2" center hole,
and attached it to the router. Looked great, and the clearance was very
close to the hole in the Washerb ut it was free from touching.... until
I turned it on and the vibration kicked the bit over just a touch and
"Whack" there went one edge of the Box Bit...
So, for you guys that routed out the centers on the fuse sticks,
what did you use to jig up the router? I decided to do this after the
fuse sides were made, so if you did it before the fuse was actually
glued together, I guess that would'a been a better option, but not one
for me...
I am thinking that I might just do the inside rails of the other
side and call it quits, since I have only routed part of the fuse on the
inside side of the left fuse side... I'll keep it even, and perhaps skip
the outside of the fuse... However, I thought it was a neat way to save
a bit of weight (maybe a very little bit....)
Suggestions?
Thanks.
Mark
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Routed Fuse slats |
This is from adding weight by adding a door to the front cockpit and then
trying to remove a fraction of that weight, while still trying to keep some
of the strength added back to try to make up for the huge loss in strength
caused by cutting the upper longeron to add said door.
Or you could just build it to the plans.
One of the least appreciated design features that Bernard cleverly
incorporated in the design of this airplane is that the rigors of climbing
into the front cockpit automatically limit the size of passenger that can be
accomodated, saving the pilot from having to say "I'm sorry, there's no way
this airplane can lift you off the ground."
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats
Where did this routing of fuselage members come from? I have digested the
plans several times and I see no mention of routing anything except the wing
spars and then only if you're using 1-inch thick spars. Comments?
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Groah <mailto:dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats
Mark, I routed mine before I assembled the parts using a router table so I
guess I'm not going to be much help. You might be able to make a base plate
that screws onto your router with a couple of guide pins sticking out to
locate the bit on the center of the member being routed. You'd still have to
be careful and it probably isn't worth risking the destruction of your
fuselage side.
Mike Groah
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Hi All:
I have Keri-Ann's door plans, and it shows on there that you can route the
cross members and some of the fuse pieces with some box bits to save a bit
of weight. I have tried to do this with a 1/2" box bit and have had
reasonable success, but I have one diagonal that wandered a bit from center,
and I want to make a center jig for my trimmer router to get a good, center
line on the rest of the members.
I made one tonight with a 1/8" thick washer with a 1/2" center hole, and
attached it to the router. Looked great, and the clearance was very close to
the hole in the Washerb ut it was free from touching.... until I turned it
on and the vibration kicked the bit over just a touch and "Whack" there went
one edge of the Box Bit...
So, for you guys that routed out the centers on the fuse sticks, what did
you use to jig up the router? I decided to do this after the fuse sides were
made, so if you did it before the fuse was actually glued together, I guess
that would'a been a better option, but not one for me...
I am thinking that I might just do the inside rails of the other side and
call it quits, since I have only routed part of the fuse on the inside side
of the left fuse side... I'll keep it even, and perhaps skip the outside of
the fuse... However, I thought it was a neat way to save a bit of weight
(maybe a very little bit....)
Suggestions?
Thanks.
Mark
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| From: | norm <coevst(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Routed Fuse slats |
The added door is a worthwhile addition , everyone knows how tough it is ge
tting =0Ainto the front seat ,getting out in a hurry is more important... I
MHO----NORM=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jack Philli
ps =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed,
July 6, 2011 2:52:13 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats
=0A=0A=0AThis is from adding weight by adding a door to the front cockpit a
nd then trying =0Ato remove a fraction of that weight, while still trying t
o keep some of the =0Astrength added back to try to make up for the huge lo
ss in strength caused by =0Acutting the upper longeron to add said door.=0A
=C2-=0AOr you could just build it to the plans=0A=C2-=0AOne of
the least appreciated design features that Bernard cleverly incorporated
=0Ain the design of this airplane is that the rigors of climbing into the f
ront =0Acockpit automatically limit the size of passenger that can be accom
odated, =0Asaving the pilot from having to say =9CI=99m sorry,
there=99s no way this airplane can =0Alift you off the ground.
=9D=0A=C2-=0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=C2- =9CIcarus Plummet
=9D=0ASmith Mountain Lake, Virginia=0A=C2-=0A=0A_________________________
_______=0A=0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A[mailto:owne
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=0Athen only if you're using 1-inch thick spars.=C2- Comments?=0A----- Or
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st: Routed Fuse slats=0A>=C2-=0A>Mark, I routed mine before I assembled t
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=C2-You might be able to make a base plate that =0A>screws onto your rou
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probably isn't worth risking the destruction of your fuselage side. =C2-
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iPhone=0A>=0A>On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.
com> wrote:=0A>Hi All: =0A>>=C2-=0A>>I have Keri-Ann's door plans, and it
shows on there that you can route the cross =0A>>members and some of the f
use pieces with some box bits to save a bit of weight. =0A>>I have tried to
do this with a 1/2" box bit and have had reasonable success, but =0A>>I ha
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the members.=0A>>=C2-=0A>>I made one tonight with a 1/8" thick washer wit
h a 1/2" center hole, and =0A>>attached it to the router. Looked great, and
the clearance was very close to the =0A>>hole in the Washerb ut it was fre
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| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
I'm at Arlington now for a few hours...... I used to come on the weekend but now
that's building time - so I'll find some parts and inspiration and get back
to the workshop on Saturday..................
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: For Dick Navratil |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
My intent was to park and camp in homebuilt camping.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Brodhead Get-together |
Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there
Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about
having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers please
let me know. We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. It's a green
and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in
Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined.
Can't wait!
Jack
DSM
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| From: | "Amsafetyc(at)gmail.com" <amsafetyc(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
Jack
Count us in
John
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 00:45:28 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together
Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there
Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about
having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers please
let me know. We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. It's a green
and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in
Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined.
Can't wait!
Jack
DSM
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| From: | "amsafetyc(at)aol.com" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
It's about time we got a chance to meet face to face. Can we bring something
to the party. Please advise
Thanks
John
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 02:08:00 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together
Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there
Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about
having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers please
let me know. We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. It's a green
and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in
Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined.
Can't wait!
Jack
DSM
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
Jack,
I'll only take you up on your offer if I can give you a ride in my Piet.
See you there!
Dan
On 07/06/2011 07:40 PM, Jack wrote:
> Susan andI would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there
> Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about
> havingbratsand hamburgers Fridayaround 11:00 to 12:00. Anytakersplease
> let me know. We will have ourmotor homeparked in the SW 40.Its a green
> and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like tohave friends join us in
> Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined.
> Cant wait!
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
Brodhead Get-togetherJack,
I'm in, thanks!
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together
Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be
there Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were
thinking about having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00.
Any takers please let me know. We will have our motor home parked in
the SW 40. It's a green and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like
to have friends join us in Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date
and time to be determined. Can't wait!
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
COunt me in - but only if I can chip in.
BTW - I am bringing my lilttle yellow Glastar to Brodhead, on the way to Os
h, and was hoping to take the doors off and do some air-to-air photography
of Piet's in flight. If anyone would like a pic of their bird, I'd like th
e practice.
Thanks
jon apfelbaum
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Sent: Wed, Jul 6, 2011 8:52 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together
Jack,
I'll only take you up on your offer if I can give you a ride in my Piet.
See you there!
an
On 07/06/2011 07:40 PM, Jack wrote:
Susan andI would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there
Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about
havingbratsand hamburgers Fridayaround 11:00 to 12:00. Anytakersplease
let me know. We will have ourmotor homeparked in the SW 40.It=99s a
green
and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like tohave friends join us in
Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined.
Can=99t wait!
Jack
DSM
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ermilab 630.840.6509
ocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
Jack, That's an invitation that is hard to turn down, I'm in!
Thank You!
Dan
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
Brodhead Get-togetherI am in also, that is a very generous offer.
Thanks
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together
Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be
there Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were
thinking about having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00.
Any takers please let me know. We will have our motor home parked in
the SW 40. It's a green and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like
to have friends join us in Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date
and time to be determined. Can't wait!
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Not sure yet what time I will be arriving at Brodhead (driving up from Urbana,
IL) but if I am there in time on Friday I would love to join as well. Would love
to meet more of the Piet list people in person and put faces with the names
I see everyday.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
OK Jake. I'll turn up tomorrow afternoon sometime.
Spot YJ10. If you're still there that is. :-)
Clif
> I'm at Arlington now for a few hours...... I used to come on the weekend
> but now that's building time - so I'll find some parts and inspiration and
> get back to the workshop on Saturday..................
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Not sure if i can get there in time but will try. Count me and my son in.
John
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John
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jack,
Count me in. I'll see you there. Please let us know what to bring.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Brodhead Get-together |
Sounds great, Jack. I'll be there. What can I bring?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together
Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there
Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about
having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers please
let me know. We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. It's a green
and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in
Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined.
Can't wait!
Jack
DSM
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Brodhead Get-together |
count me in. Don't know if Karen and our little guy will be there by then
=2C though. We'll bring anything you need
Gene
From: jack(at)textors.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together
Date: Wed=2C 6 Jul 2011 19:40:04 -0500
Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there Th
ursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about hav
ing brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers please l
et me know. We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. It=92s a gre
en and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in
Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails=2C date and time to be determined.
Can=92t wait!
Jack
DSM
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Brodhead Get-together |
Looks like it's a party, great! Will miss you Jim, you're on Dan, thanks.
All friends are welcome. Just bring what you plan to drink and we will
handle the rest. Let's hope for CALM weather!
Keep the replies coming in.
Jack and Susan
DSM
Tom W.I copied you, hope you can make it too!
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together
Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there
Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about
having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers please
let me know. We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. It's a green
and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in
Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined.
Can't wait!
Jack
DSM
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
My wife Susan and I would like to come. Cheers and thanks for the invite.
=0AGardiner Mason=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ja
ck =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, July
6, 2011 8:40:04 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together =0A=0AB
rodhead Get-together =0ASusan andI would like to host a lunch at Brodhead.
We plan to be there Thursday =0Aevening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh.
We were thinking about havingbratsand =0Ahamburgers Fridayaround 11:00 to
12:00. Anytakersplease let me know. We will =0Ahave ourmotor homeparked i
n the SW 40. It=99s a green and white 37 foot =0AItasca. We would al
so like tohave friends join us in Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for =0Acocktails,
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| Subject: | UK Pietenpol Club |
| From: | "johnnysdrop" <johnnysdrop(at)googlemail.com> |
I don't know if many of you have ever looked at the UK Pietenpol Club web site
or facebook pages but there is some good stuff there!
Take a look at them, you don't need to be registered for general browsing, go to:
http://www.facebook.com/ukpietenpolclub
http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/
Enjoy UK Pietenpol's,
John Theron
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The only way is UP
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| From: | JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Jack & Sue's offer |
Jack,
Please count me in and let me know what I can contribute. I' am also looking
forward to meeting the members from the list and have lots of questions to be
answered.
Joe Swithin
Morris, IL
route 80 and 47 for anyone passing through.
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Count me in too, Jack! If Dan has you lined up for a ride, I'll swap a ride with
Susan for a brat.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
You're good people, Jack and Susan.
Very generous offer. Thank you.
Reservation for 1, please.
Bill C.
(perhaps we could set up a "donations" jar to help defray the costs. Your hospitality
should not cost you money.)
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Brodhead Get-together |
Count me in also Jack. I plan on flying into Brodhead on Thursday evening and leaving
for Oshkosh Sat or Sunday.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack
Sent: 7/6/2011 7:44:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together
Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there Thursday
evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about having brats
and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers please let me know.
We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. Its a green and white 37
foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in Oshkosh (Camp Scholler)
for cocktails, date and time to be determined. Cant wait!
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Jack,
Count my son, Kevin, and me in. We'll happily add to the donation jar.
Cheers, Ken
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Richard Schreiber wrote:
> Count me in also Jack. I plan on flying into Brodhead on Thursday evening
> and leaving for Oshkosh Sat or Sunday.
>
> Rick Schreiber
> Valparaiso, IN
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: 7/6/2011 7:44:33 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together
>
> Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there
> Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about
> having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers please
> let me know. We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. Its a green
> and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in
> Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined.
> Cant wait!
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Jack,
If I remember where Brodhead is, count me in, and thanks for the invite.
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Thanks, Jack. See you there.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: UK Pietenpol Club |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
John,
I look forward to meeting you at Brodhead. I was in London last weekend and took
the Train out to Bicester and saw Peter Wright's Piet G-OFFA as well as G-OHAL.
I joined the UK Pietenpol Club while I was over there. Peter and I correspond fairly
often. I am looking forward to Brodhead in general and getting to meet you
and all the other Forum members in particular.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Brodhead Get-together |
Please include 2 more for your party!
KMHeide
Hawley, MN
--- On Thu, 7/7/11, Jack wrote:
> From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, July 7, 2011, 6:02 AM
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> great! Will miss you Jim, youre on Dan,
> thanks. All friends
> are welcome. Just bring what you plan to drink and we
> will handle the
> rest. Lets hope for CALM
> weather!
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> Keep the
> replies coming in
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> Jack and
> Susan
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> DSM
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> Tom
> WI copied you, hope you can
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> From:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
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> Sent:
> Wednesday, July 06, 2011
> 7:40 PM
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> To:
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> Subject:
> Pietenpol-List: Brodhead
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> Susan
> and I would like to
> host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to
> be there Thursday evening and depart Saturday for
> Oshkosh . We were thinking about
> having
> brats
> and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00.
> Any takers
> please let me know. We will have our
> motor home
> parked
> in the SW 40. Its a green and white 37 foot
> Itasca .
> We
> would also like to have friends join us in Oshkosh
> ( Camp
> Scholler ) for cocktails, date and time
> to be determined. Cant wait!
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>
> Jack
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> DSM
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| From: | "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
Brodhead Get-togetherJack,
Count me in.
Thanks!
Perry Rhoads
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together
Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be
there Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were
thinking about having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00.
Any takers please let me know. We will have our motor home parked in
the SW 40. It's a green and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like
to have friends join us in Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date
and time to be determined. Can't wait!
Jack
DSM
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
Jack You can count me and Dad in we should be there by thursday weather per
mitting,
-
Shad
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| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Jack's invite for lunch at Brodhead. |
Jack, put my name in the pot. Very nice of you all to host us. Let me know
what I can contribute. Also looking forward to meeting all.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Taylorcraft fly-in |
Hey Don, Shad, Mike and other Ohio area Piet guys,
Any of you going to the T-Craft fly in at Barber field this weekend? Ed and plan
to head up Friday morning. Last year there was 6 or 7 Piets there.
Skip
http://www.barberaircraft.com/events.html
skipgadd(at)earthlink.net
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| From: | wayne & Cathy Boniface <catway(at)sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
Jack
I am coming to brodhead for the first time with notebook and camera in
hand
and would like to join your get together and put faces to all the names.
starting to get excited.
wayne
waterloo on.
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Taylorcraft fly-in |
Skipp, I have to work on saturday so I won't make it.- I was hoping to ma
ke a few local fly-ins this year but, due to weather and work I just hope I
am lucky enough to make Brodhead.
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Shad
--- On Thu, 7/7/11, skipgadd(at)earthlink.net wrote:
From: skipgadd(at)earthlink.net <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Taylorcraft fly-in
Date: Thursday, July 7, 2011, 10:39 AM
Hey Don, Shad, Mike and other Ohio area Piet guys,
Any of you going to the T-Craft fly in at Barber field this weekend? Ed and
plan to head up Friday morning. Last year there was 6 or 7 Piets there.
Skip
-
http://www.barberaircraft.com/events.html
skipgadd(at)earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
Jack--
Sounds like a great chance to visit. Gloria and I would love to come.
--Mac in Oregon
> Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there
> Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about
> having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers
> please
> let me know. We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. It's a
> green
> and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in
> Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined.
> Can't wait!
> Jack
> DSM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Routed Fuse slats |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Mike: Since it was your fuse that I saw that cuased me to want to do
this, I was hoping to hear from you on this...
I did make a jig for a trim router as you suggested, but the hole on washers
I used was just a bit too tight. The bit rotated cleanly while it was turned
off, but within 2 seconds of turning the router on, an edge caught the
washer and I had a one edged box core bit left... :o(
Oh well, back out to the money tree to pick off another 20 and back to the
store...
I am not sure the weight difference will be worth the effort, and I am
already going to have to glue a 1/8" ply strip to one of the read diagonals
due to a side breach, but what the heck. I'll just move the final inspection
out one more week and keep moving (that's the final inspection 3 years from
now :o)
I nought a small DeWalt trimmer router that looks easier to maneuver on the
sticks, and I am gonna make another jig, so maybe I'll change my mind and
try the whole fuse. As it is, I am thinking I will just do the inside of the
right side to balance things out and be done...
Thanks for the help!
Mark
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Michael Groah wrote:
> Mark, I routed mine before I assembled the parts using a router table so I
> guess I'm not going to be much help. You might be able to make a base plate
> that screws onto your router with a couple of guide pins sticking out to
> locate the bit on the center of the member being routed. You'd still have to
> be careful and it probably isn't worth risking the destruction of your
> fuselage side.
>
> Mike Groah
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
> Hi All:
>
> I have Keri-Ann's door plans, and it shows on there that you can route the
> cross members and some of the fuse pieces with some box bits to save a bit
> of weight. I have tried to do this with a 1/2" box bit and have had
> reasonable success, but I have one diagonal that wandered a bit from center,
> and I want to make a center jig for my trimmer router to get a good, center
> line on the rest of the members.
>
> I made one tonight with a 1/8" thick washer with a 1/2" center hole, and
> attached it to the router. Looked great, and the clearance was very close to
> the hole in the Washerb ut it was free from touching.... until I turned it
> on and the vibration kicked the bit over just a touch and "Whack" there went
> one edge of the Box Bit...
>
> So, for you guys that routed out the centers on the fuse sticks, what did
> you use to jig up the router? I decided to do this after the fuse sides were
> made, so if you did it before the fuse was actually glued together, I guess
> that would'a been a better option, but not one for me...
>
> I am thinking that I might just do the inside rails of the other side and
> call it quits, since I have only routed part of the fuse on the inside side
> of the left fuse side... I'll keep it even, and perhaps skip the outside of
> the fuse... However, I thought it was a neat way to save a bit of weight
> (maybe a very little bit....)
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Routed Fuse slats |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Even with a door you're not getting out a hurry. Forget about it, build to
plans, and you'll have a nice flying airplane. If you're worried about
weight, stop going to McDonalds. You'll be healthier, and she'll fly
better....
Ryan
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 4:06 PM, norm wrote:
> The added door is a worthwhile addition , everyone knows how tough it is
> getting into the front seat ,getting out in a hurry is more important...
> IMHO----NORM
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Jack Phillips
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wed, July 6, 2011 2:52:13 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats
>
> This is from adding weight by adding a door to the front cockpit and the
n
> trying to remove a fraction of that weight, while still trying to keep so
me
> of the strength added back to try to make up for the huge loss in strengt
h
> caused by cutting the upper longeron to add said door.
>
>
> Or you could just build it to the plans=85
>
>
> One of the least appreciated design features that Bernard cleverly
> incorporated in the design of this airplane is that the rigors of climbin
g
> into the front cockpit automatically limit the size of passenger that can
be
> accomodated, saving the pilot from having to say =93I=92m sorry, there=92
s no way
> this airplane can lift you off the ground.=94
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Charles Campbel
l
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:26 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats
>
>
> Where did this routing of fuselage members come from? I have digested th
e
> plans several times and I see no mention of routing anything except the w
ing
> spars and then only if you're using 1-inch thick spars. Comments?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Michael Groah
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:07 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats
>
>
> Mark, I routed mine before I assembled the parts using a router table so
I
> guess I'm not going to be much help. You might be able to make a base pl
ate
> that screws onto your router with a couple of guide pins sticking out to
> locate the bit on the center of the member being routed. You'd still have
to
> be careful and it probably isn't worth risking the destruction of your
> fuselage side.
>
>
> Mike Groah
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
> Hi All:
>
>
> I have Keri-Ann's door plans, and it shows on there that you can route th
e
> cross members and some of the fuse pieces with some box bits to save a bi
t
> of weight. I have tried to do this with a 1/2" box bit and have had
> reasonable success, but I have one diagonal that wandered a bit from cent
er,
> and I want to make a center jig for my trimmer router to get a good, cent
er
> line on the rest of the members.
>
>
> I made one tonight with a 1/8" thick washer with a 1/2" center hole, and
> attached it to the router. Looked great, and the clearance was very close
to
> the hole in the Washerb ut it was free from touching.... until I turned i
t
> on and the vibration kicked the bit over just a touch and "Whack" there w
ent
> one edge of the Box Bit...
>
>
> So, for you guys that routed out the centers on the fuse sticks, what did
> you use to jig up the router? I decided to do this after the fuse sides w
ere
> made, so if you did it before the fuse was actually glued together, I gue
ss
> that would'a been a better option, but not one for me...
>
>
> I am thinking that I might just do the inside rails of the other side and
> call it quits, since I have only routed part of the fuse on the inside si
de
> of the left fuse side... I'll keep it even, and perhaps skip the outside
of
> the fuse... However, I thought it was a neat way to save a bit of weight
> (maybe a very little bit....)
>
>
> Suggestions?
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Routed Fuse slats |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Jack!
You're right! Building to the plans is the best way to go... But once my
wife said "I like that door thingy that Charlie has on HIS plane.... How
much money did you say you needed for the next wood purchase? If you want
that money, build me a door..."
I thought about saying to her: "I'm sorry, but there's no way this airplane
can lift you off the ground", but sleeping in our trailer the rest of my
life didn't sound as easy as cutting a door into the plane... :o)
The beef of the actual build is pretty substantial. When I examined the
plans for the door, I saw those large planks of sruce that make up for the
cut in the longeron, and it seemed worth the trade off...
Anyway, my plane will look like a piet, but I have already designed a few
modifications to fit my 6'4" frame that any purest will say I am building a
Mark...
Mark
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Jack Phillips wrot
e:
> ** ** **
>
> This is from adding weight by adding a door to the front cockpit and then
> trying to remove a fraction of that weight, while still trying to keep so
me
> of the strength added back to try to make up for the huge loss in strengt
h
> caused by cutting the upper longeron to add said door.****
>
> ** **
>
> Or you could just build it to the plans=85****
>
> ** **
>
> One of the least appreciated design features that Bernard cleverly
> incorporated in the design of this airplane is that the rigors of climbin
g
> into the front cockpit automatically limit the size of passenger that can
be
> accomodated, saving the pilot from having to say =93I=92m sorry, there=92
s no way
> this airplane can lift you off the ground.=94****
>
> ** **
>
> Jack Phillips****
>
> NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94****
>
> ****Smith Mountain Lake**, **Virginia********
>
> ** **
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Charles Campbel
l
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:26 PM
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> Where did this routing of fuselage members come from? I have digested th
e
> plans several times and I see no mention of routing anything except the w
ing
> spars and then only if you're using 1-inch thick spars. Comments?****
>
> ----- Original Message ----- ****
>
> *From:* Michael Groah ****
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com ****
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:07 PM****
>
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Routed Fuse slats****
>
> ** **
>
> Mark, I routed mine before I assembled the parts using a router table so
I
> guess I'm not going to be much help. You might be able to make a base pl
ate
> that screws onto your router with a couple of guide pins sticking out to
> locate the bit on the center of the member being routed. You'd still have
to
> be careful and it probably isn't worth risking the destruction of your
> fuselage side. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Mike Groah****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone****
>
>
> On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:*
*
> **
>
> Hi All: ****
>
> ** **
>
> I have Keri-Ann's door plans, and it shows on there that you can route th
e
> cross members and some of the fuse pieces with some box bits to save a bi
t
> of weight. I have tried to do this with a 1/2" box bit and have had
> reasonable success, but I have one diagonal that wandered a bit from cent
er,
> and I want to make a center jig for my trimmer router to get a good, cent
er
> line on the rest of the members.****
>
> ** **
>
> I made one tonight with a 1/8" thick washer with a 1/2" center hole, and
> attached it to the router. Looked great, and the clearance was very close
to
> the hole in the Washerb ut it was free from touching.... until I turned i
t
> on and the vibration kicked the bit over just a touch and "Whack" there w
ent
> one edge of the Box Bit...****
>
> ** **
>
> So, for you guys that routed out the centers on the fuse sticks, what did
> you use to jig up the router? I decided to do this after the fuse sides w
ere
> made, so if you did it before the fuse was actually glued together, I gue
ss
> that would'a been a better option, but not one for me...****
>
> ** **
>
> I am thinking that I might just do the inside rails of the other side and
> call it quits, since I have only routed part of the fuse on the inside si
de
> of the left fuse side... I'll keep it even, and perhaps skip the outside
of
> the fuse... However, I thought it was a neat way to save a bit of weight
> (maybe a very little bit....)****
>
> ** **
>
> Suggestions?****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks.****
>
> ** **
>
> Mark****
>
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| Subject: | Re: Routed Fuse slats |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks guys...
I do think you are correct. THe weight savings is minimal and the risk of
screwing up something is too great. I have already started on the inside of
the left side. I thing I will just do the same on the right and call it
even.
Thanks for the advice! And, thank to the group for being friendly enough to
ask a question MOST would think rather stupid, as the real answer would be
"Build it to plans, dummy!"
This is a great bunch to share ideas with, and I appreciate the respect
offered to answer even stupid questions!
Mark
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Ken Bickers wrote:
>
> I routed my spars, which -- after quite a bit of head scratching to
> figure out a way to jig everything in place -- turned out to be
> comparatively simple. I took a bunch of pictures, which I can share,
> if that would be useful.
>
> I didn't try to route the fuselage pieces. I think the weight savings
> would be hard to justify, relative to the risk of screwing something
> up.
>
> Besides routers produce a lot of torque. If you raise the tail of the
> fuselage with the router spinning, you'll be dealing with p-factor,
> too. If you aren't quick with your feet, you might find yourself off
> the side of your shop.
>
> Ken
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Bill Church
> wrote:
> billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
> >
> > Sorry, I have no first-hand experience to offer. I don't believe that
> many builders have routed their fuselage members, so there likely won't be a
> lot of feedback to your question.
> >
> > I guess you already know the risks involved (having had one cut wander
> off of center). One small slip, and you're into re-building, rather than
> building. I'm not convinced that the benefits outweigh (hey, there's a pun)
> the risks.
> > I imagine that the weight savings are minimal, and the actual doing of
> the work sounds like a pain in the butt (especially with the fuse
> assembled). Additionally, routing WILL weaken the structure, so you really
> have to be careful where the routing is done, to ensure that critical
> components are not compromised.
> > I'd keep the routing to a minimum. That's what I did (I have none).
> >
> > Bill C.
> >
> >
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345111#345111
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| Subject: | Another Piet in AVweb's POTW contest |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
For the third time in about a month, AVweb's Picture of the Week contest features
a Pietenpol. And two of those three photos are of Ben Charvet's Piet. Here's
a link to the large version of the photo:
http://www.avweb.com/newspics/potw/1726/large/11.jpg
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345287#345287
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| Subject: | Re: Taylorcraft fly-in |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Hey Skip...
I plan to be there early Saturday morning. I was going to take the Chief, but
since it isn't quite finished in the interior and looks a little funny I'll probably
take the Piet. See you then!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Jack, please count Theresa and I in as well... and I'll see you at Oshkosh for
that drink too. Ha! This is going to be awesome!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | 1935 Pilot's catalogue...! |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Hello list,
I found a 1938 "Karl Ort" catalog in an antique store two weeks ago and then bought
this 1935 version on eBay. I had never heard of Karl Ort but this is an AMAZING
reference for the kind of pilot and airplane supplies that were available
in the mid 1930's. OK, so I know the Piet was designed in 1928 and generally
considered a 1929 design, but this is as close as I could find to a vintage
parts catalog...!
The 1938 catalog has lots more jewelry and novelties (clocks, desk radios with
an art deco look, etc..) than this 1935 version, which is loaded airplane construction
parts and materials (instruments, plywood, tubing, dope, etc...) most
of which no longer are listed in the 1938 version - interesting evolution.
WARNING: The attachment is 6MB - but be it known that the original scan was over
80MB before I compressed it. So it is not quite as easy to read in the compressed
version, sorry......
Enjoy.........
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: 1935 Pilot's catalogue...! |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
part B
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: 1935 Pilot's catalogue...! |
| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for sharing some great history!
Curtis Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: 1935 Pilot's catalogue...! |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Wow, that's pretty neat.
Very interesting how much they had to offer. I guess a lot of it was probably war
surplus.
Good deals on instruments (Zenith Height gauge, Johnson Airspeed Indicator, etc)
and hardware (turnbuckles, shackles, etc.) and Sitka Spruce! An 18 foot long
spar (1" x 5") for the tidy sum of $5.25!
Thanks for sharing.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Brodhead get-together |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Wow Jack,
You are going to have to float a loan in order to pay for the food at this
shindig. Methinks we all better bring chairs and a few bucks for the jar :
O) Thanks for doing this. Somebody should have thought of this a long time
ago :O) Can't wait to meet everyone.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: 1935 Pilot's catalogue...! |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jake,
Wow that is cool. I especially like the "Elgin" gauges. I didn't realize th
ey had made any aircraft gauges. I lived in Elgin, IL., home of the famous
Elgin National Watch Company, for 17 years. I searched high and low for a
vintage Elgin aircraft clock. Found one on Ebay, and it is in my Piet, stil
l proudly ticking away. Thanks for sharing this.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: aerocarjake <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 4:18 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1935 Pilot's catalogue...!
part B
--------
ake Schultz - curator,
ewport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
ead this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | "Piep" <charles(at)thecontactpoint.com> |
Jack,
What a great offer! Jan and I will be there. We will have a car there, so let
us know if we can get any supplies.
Charlie and Jan McFarland
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Brodhead Get-together |
Holy cow what a response, this will be a great time! Susan is already
taking charge. I appreciate all the kind remarks and thoughts. No need for
side dishes or donations. Just show up with your smile, willingness to
help, drink of choice, lounge chair and hopefully not an umbrella. May the
weather gods be with us for Brodhead and Oshkosh!
Safe travels to all!
Jack
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:03 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together
Looks like it's a party, great! Will miss you Jim, you're on Dan, thanks.
All friends are welcome. Just bring what you plan to drink and we will
handle the rest. Let's hope for CALM weather!
Keep the replies coming in.
Jack and Susan
DSM
Tom W.I copied you, hope you can make it too!
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together
Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there
Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about
having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers please
let me know. We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. It's a green
and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in
Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined.
Can't wait!
Jack
DSM
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Brodhead Get-together |
Gunna need a bigger motor home.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:15 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together
Holy cow what a response, this will be a great time! Susan is already
taking charge. I appreciate all the kind remarks and thoughts. No need for
side dishes or donations. Just show up with your smile, willingness to
help, drink of choice, lounge chair and hopefully not an umbrella. May the
weather gods be with us for Brodhead and Oshkosh!
Safe travels to all!
Jack
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:03 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together
Looks like it's a party, great! Will miss you Jim, you're on Dan, thanks.
All friends are welcome. Just bring what you plan to drink and we will
handle the rest. Let's hope for CALM weather!
Keep the replies coming in.
Jack and Susan
DSM
Tom W.I copied you, hope you can make it too!
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together
Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there
Thursday evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about
having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers please
let me know. We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. It's a green
and white 37 foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in
Oshkosh (Camp Scholler) for cocktails, date and time to be determined.
Can't wait!
Jack
DSM
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| From: | Tom Travis <tomtravis(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Invitation to connect on LinkedIn |
LinkedIn
------------
I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.
- Tom
Tom Travis
Independent Aviation & Aerospace Professional
Sherman/Denison, Texas Area
Confirm that you know Tom Travis
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Shirts are encouraged too....Gardiner.... ;-)
I dunno...last year's weather was fun:
http://www.youtube.com/user/rmpanzer23#p/u/7/OayCWX5REXg
Thanks Gene. Which reminds me....if anyone needs to have precious,
irreplaceable family memories forever wiped from their camera cards, make
sure to look me up. Can also remove photos of GN-1's, or the remnants of
your memories of the long night you had after too much boiled fish and
scotch. :-)
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Jack wrote:
> ** ** ** ** **
>
> Holy cow what a response, this will be a great time! Susan is already
> taking charge. I appreciate all the kind remarks and thoughts. No need
for
> side dishes or donations. Just show up with your smile, willingness to
> help, drink of choice, lounge chair and hopefully not an umbrella. May t
he
> weather gods be with us for Brodhead and ****Oshkosh****!****
>
> Safe travels to all!****
>
> Jack****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jack
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:03 AM
>
> *To:* **pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com**
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together ****
>
> ** **
>
> Looks like it=92s a party, great! Will miss you Jim, you=92re on Dan, th
anks.
> All friends are welcome. Just bring what you plan to drink and we will
> handle the rest. Let=92s hope for CALM weather!****
>
> Keep the replies coming in=85****
>
> Jack and Susan****
>
> DSM****
>
> Tom W=85I copied you, hope you can make it too!****
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jack
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:40 PM
> *To:* **pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com**
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together ****
>
> ** **
>
> Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there
> Thursday evening and depart Saturday for ****Oshkosh****. We were
> thinking about having brats and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00.
> Any takers please let me know. We will have our motor home parked in the
> SW 40. It=92s a green and white 37 foot **Itasca**. We would also like
to
> have friends join us in **Oshkosh** (****Camp** **Scholler****) for
> cocktails, date and time to be determined. Can=92t wait!****
>
> Jack****
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com> |
Mary & I will be there. Looking forward to it. Let us know how we can help.
- Pat
Patrick Hoyt
N63PZ - 601XL/Corvair 99.99%
Piet/A65 - Under Construction with a bunch of good friends
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | FW: RV10-List: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... |
Here's a shot that appeared on the RV List. I'd like to see something
similar with Pietenpols, but it would probably have to be a Jenny or a
Sopwith Camel, rather than a P-51 Mustang
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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| Subject: | Re: FW: RV10-List: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Yeah, a Mustang won't hang....it brought to mind this vid...pretty cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6PnKUEFX8g
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> Here's a shot that appeared on the RV List. I'd like to see something
> similar with Pietenpols, but it would probably have to be a Jenny or a
> Sopwith Camel, rather than a P-51 Mustang
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
Hi Jack,
Arlene and I would=C2- like to come as well. Can we bring something; i.e.
need beer or brats?
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
In the spirit of "piling on" Sue and I will be there. Just make sure there's no
lutefisk. This IS Wisconsin, you know, and someone might try to sneak some
in.
Dave and Sue Aldrich
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| Subject: | Re: UK Pietenpol Club |
| From: | "johnnysdrop" <johnnysdrop(at)googlemail.com> |
Terry
I wondered why Peter Wright mentioned me meeting you soon!
Helen and I will be there all 3 days as long as we don't have flight issues getting
to the US.
We have a good selection of Pietenpols here in the UK, it's good you managed to
see some on your visit.
We are looking forward to meeting all you Pietenpol guys (& gals), please introduce
yourselves (as we will ) when you hear the British accents!
John
--------
The only way is UP
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | "Dale McCleskey" <dale.mccleskey(at)lifeway.com> |
If you can stand a GN-1 driver, please count me in also. Weather permitting this
will be my second Broadhead, and I'll try and see that N7035N doesn't become
an aquarium at night like last year. Thanks.
--------
Dale McCleskey
N7035N
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
All this talk about getting to gather around the camp fire (OK, maybe a
Coleman stove) at Brodhead is making me cry. Sure, I got to take my
wife to beautiful Bozeman Montana for our 40th Anniversary but what kind
of a trade was that - I ask you? I can just imagine the beans, the
bratwurst, the "beets" and all the wonderfull lies being passed around.
I can almost smell the far... uh, gas. I've just got one request:
Those of you who get to participate this year, please raise a glass and
think about us poor unfortunates who can't make it for one reason or
another. Smile fondly and then get back to the festivities.
On a more somber note. I opted to purchase a new XCOM radio for my
Piet with all the money I saved by not making the Brodhead trip. All
the ads say "Made in the U.S.A." but the order is actually placed in
Australia. So, the radio is built in the good 'ol US of A, the antenna
is built in California (which is almost the same as being from the US of
A), and then everything is shipped to Australia. THEN it is shipped
right back to me in Kansas. That means the radio equipment has already
flown more miles getting to me than it will ever hope to see once
installed in the Piet. What a world!
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
102F Kansas, U.S.A.
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | "JohnC" <jcalvert(at)trinityvideo.net> |
Count me in, I will be there!
--------
I just hope when it's my turn to reach up and touch the face of God, I don't poke
him in the eye on accident.
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| Subject: | Re: Lucky Stiffs |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Tom:
I was going to fly inverted from 88C to Brodhead behind a Ford, Piet 40 Miles.
Since you aren't showing I will do it the conventional way. Either way it is a
shame that you can't be with the tall tale guys.
Pieti Lowell
Don't archive
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| Subject: | Re: Routed Fuse slats |
| From: | "womenfly2" <keriannprice(at)hotmail.com> |
Keri-Ann here:
Any weight savings is worth it, oz's = lbs at the end. I used a table router to
route all the fuselage parts. Works great, easy and simple.
Wing spars were built up with 1/2" spruce web with 1" sq. top and bottom caps rabbited
into the web. All T-88 epoxy. Then all the reinforcements where added,
plywood, for the fitting load points. No routing here.
My Pietenpol was built from EAAs "1932 Glider and Flying Manual". Big difference
from the Hoopman plans now being sold.
Enjoy your build and the journey,
Keri-Ann
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| Subject: | Brodhead wish list... |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey folks,
I'm new here, to this forum, but not necessarily to the Piet group. I started
researching to build a Piet in '95 or so. Wrote lots of letters, got lots of
BPA newsletter back issues, have the plans, made templates for all the metal parts...
but life and not as well equipped shop as I would hope to build a plane,
all got in the way.
Well, the kids are nearly grown (sad thing...). The shop got WELL equipped, and
I set up a machine shop to boot. Working on a fabrication shop. Have most
the parts to set up forging and foundry capability. Ya, went a little overboard.
Made it to Oshkosh for the first time last year. Coming to Brodhead and Oshkosh
this year and hope to meet you all. Bringing a motorhome, will likely have
a bed or two to spare, hoping to arrive early Thurs.
Yesterday, I made a wing rib jig and a mock wing rib, so I'm officially started!
Pictures later. A friend of mine and I are planning on making two together.
He's taking the wing rib jig back with him to his Navy duty station and will
be cranking them out in his apartment as I weld things together.
So, to keep things on point, it dawns on me that it's possible many of you have
spare square inches of left over materials. Specifically, looking for scraps
of 1/16" aircraft plywood for gussets. A rough estimate would be that I need
about 2000 of them!
So, if you have scrap anything I could buy and ship to Chris, it would be a GREAT
help. I'll rough everything and ship to him for building. Specifically wing
rib related. If you have a whole sheet of anything I may need surplus and
want to get your money back without shipping and all... give me a call. Pieces
of 4130 that may be surplus to your immediate needs that I can use to start
the fabrication process.
Not looking for handouts, just trying to be efficient. Also willing to barter
Scotch... just sayin'... Should have plenty of beer along!
We're planning on classic Piets, have a couple model A cores to start on soon.
I'm practicing by rebuilding 30hp Wisconsin VH4D air cooled industrial motors
for old Bobcat 610's right now. Boring the cylinders myself, etc.
I'm coming from near Chattanooga TN.
Cheers,
Mike "Tools" Danford
423 580 1383
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: Amazing 3D printer |
Can you imagine what a bunch of Piet builders could do with this thing?
Wonder what FAA reg this would come under?
----- Original Message -----
From: GARY PETESCH
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 1:35 AM
Subject: Amazing 3D printer
Wow - what would the Chinese do with this!! GARY
Just when you think you've seen it all, along comes this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw
Just THINK of the myriad of applications!!!!
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Brodhead Get-together |
Jack, Thanks, Cinda and I will be there in the motor home and will be happy to
join you Friday for lunch.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack
Sent: 7/6/2011 8:44:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Get-together
Susan and I would like to host a lunch at Brodhead. We plan to be there Thursday
evening and depart Saturday for Oshkosh. We were thinking about having brats
and hamburgers Friday around 11:00 to 12:00. Any takers please let me know.
We will have our motor home parked in the SW 40. Its a green and white 37
foot Itasca. We would also like to have friends join us in Oshkosh (Camp Scholler)
for cocktails, date and time to be determined. Cant wait!
Jack
DSM
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| From: | Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com> |
If you bought a radio to put in your Pietenpol you deserve to miss Brodhead.
Next thing you know people will be adding dihedral, making wing cut-outs,
putting in doors, installing trim systems, changing airfoils and all sorts of
tom-foolery.
It's early Saturday morning and my skivvies are already in a wad because of
Steinmetz!! No more talk about ridiculous add-ons for Air Campers!! My week-end
is RUINED!!
Larry W.
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
got started on my prop for the A this week...
i copied a sopwith camel prop... scaled down a bit
its ash... and 76 inches long
bandsawing that big block of ash was tough
thanks a million to Dan for putting the info together... can't wait to get the
chainsaw out
jeff
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Brodhead wish list... |
Great to have you finally building, Mike. I think you'll find that building
two airplanes simultaneously will be a very good thing. My suggestion is,
always build the parts for your friend's airplane first. You can say your
just doing him a favor, so he can be the first to fly. Invariably my second
or third attempt at making a part came out better than my first.
Seriously, I think I built about 1-1/2 Pietenpols as I built mine, so
building two wouldn't add that much in time or cost.
As for scraps, I suspect that most Piet builders are like me and saved most
of the big scraps for future use, either in making repairs to their airplane
or other projects. I wouldn't really want to part with any of it. The
materials are really a fairly small portion of the total cost of the
airplane, probably less than a third overall.
Are you building a wooden fuselage or the steel tube version?
Looking forward to meeting you at Brodhead.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead wish list...
Hey folks,
I'm new here, to this forum, but not necessarily to the Piet group. I
started researching to build a Piet in '95 or so. Wrote lots of letters,
got lots of BPA newsletter back issues, have the plans, made templates for
all the metal parts... but life and not as well equipped shop as I would
hope to build a plane, all got in the way.
Well, the kids are nearly grown (sad thing...). The shop got WELL equipped,
and I set up a machine shop to boot. Working on a fabrication shop. Have
most the parts to set up forging and foundry capability. Ya, went a little
overboard.
Made it to Oshkosh for the first time last year. Coming to Brodhead and
Oshkosh this year and hope to meet you all. Bringing a motorhome, will
likely have a bed or two to spare, hoping to arrive early Thurs.
Yesterday, I made a wing rib jig and a mock wing rib, so I'm officially
started! Pictures later. A friend of mine and I are planning on making two
together. He's taking the wing rib jig back with him to his Navy duty
station and will be cranking them out in his apartment as I weld things
together.
So, to keep things on point, it dawns on me that it's possible many of you
have spare square inches of left over materials. Specifically, looking for
scraps of 1/16" aircraft plywood for gussets. A rough estimate would be
that I need about 2000 of them!
So, if you have scrap anything I could buy and ship to Chris, it would be a
GREAT help. I'll rough everything and ship to him for building.
Specifically wing rib related. If you have a whole sheet of anything I may
need surplus and want to get your money back without shipping and all...
give me a call. Pieces of 4130 that may be surplus to your immediate needs
that I can use to start the fabrication process.
Not looking for handouts, just trying to be efficient. Also willing to
barter Scotch... just sayin'... Should have plenty of beer along!
We're planning on classic Piets, have a couple model A cores to start on
soon. I'm practicing by rebuilding 30hp Wisconsin VH4D air cooled
industrial motors for old Bobcat 610's right now. Boring the cylinders
myself, etc.
I'm coming from near Chattanooga TN.
Cheers,
Mike "Tools" Danford
423 580 1383
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| Subject: | Best way to cut metal fittings? |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
I was going to buy my metal parts ready made but have been thinking about doing
it all myself. I have done a little bit of metal work in my time and get by with
a hacksaw and grinder usually.
Is there a trick that makes cutting these parts any easier? Do you use a band saw
for metal or do I tough it out with a hacksaw? Im using 4130.
I know laser cutting is an option but just doing my sums as buying them ready made
adds a chunk to the build cost. I have a mate who can Tig weld etc.
Scotty
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built...
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Looks nice, Jeff. Just using the blank you've cut as is should give about
the same performance as a certificated Sensenich.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 8:31 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: propeller
got started on my prop for the A this week...
i copied a sopwith camel prop... scaled down a bit
its ash... and 76 inches long
bandsawing that big block of ash was tough
thanks a million to Dan for putting the info together... can't wait to get
the chainsaw out
jeff
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Best way to cut metal fittings? |
I found a small metal cutting bandsaw and a belt sander with a sanding disc
to be very useful in making all the fittings. The bandsaw needs to be SLOW.
4130 should be cut with a saw speed of only 80 feet per minute, or a little
over 1 inch per second. Anything faster and the work will remove more
material from the sawblade than the saw will from the work. Grizzly Tools
sells a nice pipe-cutting bandsaw that can be stood up to make a small
vertical saw for about $200. I don't know if they have something equivalent
in Australia, but if they do it is a worthwhile investment. Get the finest
teeth blade you can find - I think I used a 32 teeth per inch blade. I used
it for all the steel fittings as well as cutting all the tubing (and there
is a lot of that on a Pietenpol).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 8:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings?
I was going to buy my metal parts ready made but have been thinking about
doing it all myself. I have done a little bit of metal work in my time and
get by with a hacksaw and grinder usually.
Is there a trick that makes cutting these parts any easier? Do you use a
band saw for metal or do I tough it out with a hacksaw? Im using 4130.
I know laser cutting is an option but just doing my sums as buying them
ready made adds a chunk to the build cost. I have a mate who can Tig weld
etc.
Scotty
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Best way to cut metal fittings? |
Scotty:
Many of the metal fittings need to be made to fit the structure of the
plane you are working on..its not one size fits all. As far as cutting the
parts out, a hacksaw will work, but it takes a lot of time and effort. What
I did is to use my wood cutting bandsaw. I replaced the blade with a metal
cutting one and then replaced the sheaves on the drive motor and the
bandsaw so the blade is running at the proper slow speed for cutting steel.
It worked great.
Rick Schreiber
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? |
hi bubbleboy, just get a Bosch saber saw and clamp it upside down in your vise
and saw with a metal cutting blade. It works great as long as the blades are
sharp. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: bubbleboy <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011 8:42:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings?
I was going to buy my metal parts ready made but have been thinking about doing
it all myself. I have done a little bit of metal work in my time and get by with
a hacksaw and grinder usually.
Is there a trick that makes cutting these parts any easier? Do you use a band
saw for metal or do I tough it out with a hacksaw? Im using 4130.
I know laser cutting is an option but just doing my sums as buying them ready
made adds a chunk to the build cost. I have a mate who can Tig weld etc.
Scotty
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built...
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Best way to cut metal fittings? |
Scotty,
The only band saw I have is my dad's old Craftsman. I takes an 80" blade,
which can be purchased as metal or wood blades. I have never messed around
with the speed and have completed all fittings and wood work, though I did
break 3 metal blades in the process.
Best of luck!
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings?
I was going to buy my metal parts ready made but have been thinking about
doing it all myself. I have done a little bit of metal work in my time and
get by with a hacksaw and grinder usually.
Is there a trick that makes cutting these parts any easier? Do you use a
band saw for metal or do I tough it out with a hacksaw? Im using 4130.
I know laser cutting is an option but just doing my sums as buying them
ready made adds a chunk to the build cost. I have a mate who can Tig weld
etc.
Scotty
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built...
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345557#345557
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lucky Stiffs |
Larry, you surely don't want to see my project. It will NOT have big
wire wheels, it has a modified airfoil, it will have a wing (center
section) cutout, It will be powered by a Corvair "crank-snapper",and it
will not be covered with cotton cloth tightened with dope. Look at a
picture of Hans van der Voort's Miss (whatever -- I have forgotten her
name) and, except for color, you will, I hope, pretty much see mine when
it is finished. Chuck C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Williams
To: Pietlist
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 7:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lucky Stiffs
If you bought a radio to put in your Pietenpol you deserve to miss
Brodhead. Next thing you know people will be adding dihedral, making
wing cut-outs, putting in doors, installing trim systems, changing
airfoils and all sorts of tom-foolery.
It's early Saturday morning and my skivvies are already in a wad
because of Steinmetz!! No more talk about ridiculous add-ons for Air
Campers!! My week-end is RUINED!!
Larry W.
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? |
"sheaves on the drive motor and the
bandsaw so the blade is running at the proper slow speed for cutting steel"
What are sheaves? I have borrowed my son-in-law's wood cutting bandsaw,
but it runs too fast for steel. How can I modify it without ruining it?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 9:06 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings?
>
>
> Scotty:
> Many of the metal fittings need to be made to fit the structure of the
> plane you are working on..its not one size fits all. As far as cutting the
> parts out, a hacksaw will work, but it takes a lot of time and effort.
> What
> I did is to use my wood cutting bandsaw. I replaced the blade with a metal
> cutting one and then replaced the sheaves on the drive motor and the
> bandsaw so the blade is running at the proper slow speed for cutting
> steel.
> It worked great.
>
> Rick Schreiber
>
>
>
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| From: | norm <coevst(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? |
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les Campbell" =0A=0A=0A"sheaves on the drive mot
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rd Schreiber" =0A>=0A> =0A> Scotty:=0A> Many of the
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| From: | jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? |
I use a simple had held jig saw on 4130 as thick as .095.- Take it easy d
on't rush the blade and it will wear out before it breaks.- Also try to c
lamp the metal down to your wood work table as close to the cut as possible
to reduce vibration. The wood also helps reduce vibration.- Finish corne
r radius's with your bench grinder.- Don't forget the safety goggles.
-
Jeff Wilson
St. Louis, MO
N899WT
--- On Sat, 7/9/11, bubbleboy wrote:
From: bubbleboy <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings?
Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 7:42 AM
m>
I was going to buy my metal parts ready made but have been thinking about d
oing it all myself. I have done a little bit of metal work in my time and g
et by with a hacksaw and grinder usually.
Is there a trick that makes cutting these parts any easier? Do you use a ba
nd saw for metal or do I tough it out with a hacksaw? Im using 4130.
I know laser cutting is an option but just doing my sums as buying them rea
dy made adds a chunk to the build cost. I have a mate who can Tig weld etc.
Scotty
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built...
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le, List Admin.
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? |
Totally agree with this idea Gardiner.
I wrestled with all this metal cutting stuff for a while, even tried clamping material
and using a hack saw...no...
Finally bought a cheap Harbor Freight (I may have actually bought mine at Northern
Tool, this model is very common with different brand labels but the same cheap
product) metal cutting band saw. One of the best $160 I ever spent. Have
used it many many times and easily got my money's worth. Didn't actually cost
that much more than a good quality saber saw.
A bit more of an initial investment but this is a tool that will never collect
dust!
See attached.
Jim....back home after watching storms close down the Denver airport last night.....until
midnight. Well, as long as that doesn't happen next Friday morning
when I get to GO TO BRODHEAD!!!
-----Original Message-----
>From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Jul 9, 2011 7:08 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings?
>
>
>hi bubbleboy, just get a Bosch saber saw and clamp it upside down in your vise
>and saw with a metal cutting blade. It works great as long as the blades are
>sharp. Gardiner
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: bubbleboy <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011 8:42:20 AM
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings?
>
>
>I was going to buy my metal parts ready made but have been thinking about doing
>it all myself. I have done a little bit of metal work in my time and get by with
>a hacksaw and grinder usually.
>
>
>Is there a trick that makes cutting these parts any easier? Do you use a band
>saw for metal or do I tough it out with a hacksaw? Im using 4130.
>
>I know laser cutting is an option but just doing my sums as buying them ready
>made adds a chunk to the build cost. I have a mate who can Tig weld etc.
>
>Scotty
>
>--------
>Scotty
>
>Tamworth, Australia
>Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
>www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
>Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built...
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345557#345557
>
>
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Yes, handling that huge block through the bandsaw was very difficult. Next
time (when I make my 4-bladed job) I'll hack off most of it by some other m
eans before shaving off the last of it with the bandsaw. I loved working wi
th that ash,- very good prop wood I think. Can't wait to see it Jeff. Pleas
e bring fotos to Brod if you can.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 7:34 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: propeller
>
got started on my prop for the A this week...
copied a sopwith camel prop... scaled down a bit
ts ash... and 76 inches long
andsawing that big block of ash was tough
thanks a million to Dan for putting the info together... can't wait to get
the
hainsaw out
jeff
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? |
Sheaves are sometimes called pulleys (incorrectly). Use the smallest one
you can get on the drive motor and the largest one, that will fit, on the
bandsaw.
Rick Schreiber.
> [Original Message]
> From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
> To:
> Date: 7/9/2011 9:04:45 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings?
>
Shea
>
> "sheaves on the drive motor and the
> bandsaw so the blade is running at the proper slow speed for cutting
steel"
>
> What are sheaves? I have borrowed my son-in-law's wood cutting bandsaw,
> but it runs too fast for steel. How can I modify it without ruining it?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 9:06 AM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings?
>
>
> >
> >
> > Scotty:
> > Many of the metal fittings need to be made to fit the structure of the
> > plane you are working on..its not one size fits all. As far as cutting
the
> > parts out, a hacksaw will work, but it takes a lot of time and effort.
> > What
> > I did is to use my wood cutting bandsaw. I replaced the blade with a
metal
> > cutting one and then replaced the sheaves on the drive motor and the
> > bandsaw so the blade is running at the proper slow speed for cutting
> > steel.
> > It worked great.
> >
> > Rick Schreiber
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Pilot's seat height question |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Okay, I'm attempting to build the pilot's seat, and finding it a little difficult
to make things add up. What I'm having difficulty with is determining the correct
height of the back edge of the seat. I think this question was raised not
too long ago, and as I recall, the answer was to use the seat back to determine
the proper location. But it just doesn't seem right. Attached are a few clips
from the plans to make things more clear. One clip shows the side view of
the fuselage construction, with a dimension of 22 1/16" from outside of longerons.
The second clip shows the seat back to be 21" tall. Based on these dimensions,
the bottom of the rear seat back would sit only slightly more than one
inch above the BOTTOM of the longeron, or, practically touching the top of the
longeron, since the longeron is one inch tall. The third clip shows the seat
assembly (from drawing No.4), and, if we scale the drawing, the bottom of the
rear seat back appears to be about an inch and a quarter above the TOP of the
longeron.
When I built my fuse mock-up, I didn't notice the discrepancy, and I just scaled
drawing No. 4.
So, what is the right way to go here? Is the rear seat back supposed to sit just
above the longeron? Or is the 21" dimension a mistake?
Bill C.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pilot's seat height question |
The 22 1/16" looks good. My seat back is 20"....but, hey,...just follow the
plans...:-0
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pilot's seat height question
Okay, I'm attempting to build the pilot's seat, and finding it a little
difficult to make things add up. What I'm having difficulty with is
determining the correct height of the back edge of the seat. I think this
question was raised not too long ago, and as I recall, the answer was to use
the seat back to determine the proper location. But it just doesn't seem
right. Attached are a few clips from the plans to make things more clear.
One clip shows the side view of the fuselage construction, with a dimension
of 22 1/16" from outside of longerons. The second clip shows the seat back
to be 21" tall. Based on these dimensions, the bottom of the rear seat back
would sit only slightly more than one inch above the BOTTOM of the longeron,
or, practically touching the top of the longeron, since the longeron is one
inch tall. The third clip shows the seat assembly (from drawing No.4), and,
if we scale the drawing, the bottom of the rear seat back appears to be
about an inch and a qua!
rter above the TOP of the longeron.
When I built my fuse mock-up, I didn't notice the discrepancy, and I just
scaled drawing No. 4.
So, what is the right way to go here? Is the rear seat back supposed to sit
just above the longeron? Or is the 21" dimension a mistake?
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
A $40 die grinder using 1/8" cutting disks is all I needed for all my cuts.
A band saw would be nice though.
rick
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 6:42 AM, bubbleboy wrote:
> scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
>
> I was going to buy my metal parts ready made but have been thinking about
> doing it all myself. I have done a little bit of metal work in my time and
> get by with a hacksaw and grinder usually.
>
> Is there a trick that makes cutting these parts any easier? Do you use a
> band saw for metal or do I tough it out with a hacksaw? Im using 4130.
>
> I know laser cutting is an option but just doing my sums as buying them
> ready made adds a chunk to the build cost. I have a mate who can Tig weld
> etc.
>
> Scotty
>
> --------
> Scotty
>
> Tamworth, Australia
> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
> www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
> Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345557#345557
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? |
Metal cutting tools to make your life easier:
1. Portable, variable speed bandsaw
2. 4 1/2" angle grinder with .040 cutoff disks
3. 6 X 48 belt sander
4. Hacksaw
5. Good selection of files
6. 8" bench grinder
7. Scotchbrite wheel for the grinder for polishing metal edges PRIOR to
bending
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 7:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Best way to cut metal fittings?
>
>
> I was going to buy my metal parts ready made but have been thinking about
> doing it all myself. I have done a little bit of metal work in my time and
> get by with a hacksaw and grinder usually.
>
> Is there a trick that makes cutting these parts any easier? Do you use a
> band saw for metal or do I tough it out with a hacksaw? Im using 4130.
>
> I know laser cutting is an option but just doing my sums as buying them
> ready made adds a chunk to the build cost. I have a mate who can Tig weld
> etc.
>
> Scotty
>
> --------
> Scotty
>
> Tamworth, Australia
> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
> www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
> Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345557#345557
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | "IT Girl" <shlizbth(at)gmail.com> |
kevinpurtee wrote:
> Thanks, Jack. See you there.
He meant to say "there will be 3 of us" Let us know if we can help.
--------
Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Pilot's seat height question |
I agree with Gary. Build your fuselage, install the control system, then
build the seat making sure it clears the controls. The actual length may
vary from the 21" that Orin Hoopman figured. Looking at mine, it looks like
I've got at least an inch above the top of the lower longeron:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pilot's seat height question
The 22 1/16" looks good. My seat back is 20"....but, hey,...just follow the
plans...:-0
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pilot's seat height question
Okay, I'm attempting to build the pilot's seat, and finding it a little
difficult to make things add up. What I'm having difficulty with is
determining the correct height of the back edge of the seat. I think this
question was raised not too long ago, and as I recall, the answer was to use
the seat back to determine the proper location. But it just doesn't seem
right. Attached are a few clips from the plans to make things more clear.
One clip shows the side view of the fuselage construction, with a dimension
of 22 1/16" from outside of longerons. The second clip shows the seat back
to be 21" tall. Based on these dimensions, the bottom of the rear seat back
would sit only slightly more than one inch above the BOTTOM of the longeron,
or, practically touching the top of the longeron, since the longeron is one
inch tall. The third clip shows the seat assembly (from drawing No.4), and,
if we scale the drawing, the bottom of the rear seat back appears to be
about an inch and a qua!
rter above the TOP of the longeron.
When I built my fuse mock-up, I didn't notice the discrepancy, and I just
scaled drawing No. 4.
So, what is the right way to go here? Is the rear seat back supposed to sit
just above the longeron? Or is the 21" dimension a mistake?
Bill C.
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
>Does anyone remember when car fenders cracked from vibration/rough roads?
>We had an old '29 A model and it had cracked fenders on the front. We had
>a torch to weld with but Daddy waited until the cracks were 3 or 4" long
>before he fixed them.
Sounds like the mounting tabs on my cooling eyebrows... I should be carrying
a couple of spares along with some pop rivets and a rivet puller, the way it
goes through those things.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: cracked fenders |
In a message dated 7/9/2011 3:08:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga
>Does anyone remember when car fenders cracked from vibration/rough roads?
>We had an old '29 A model and it had cracked fenders on the front. We had
>a torch to weld with but Daddy waited until the cracks were 3 or 4" long
>before he fixed them.
Sounds like the mounting tabs on my cooling eyebrows... I should be
carrying
a couple of spares along with some pop rivets and a rivet puller, the way
it
goes through those things.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
I should have made them out of 4130
CMC
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| Subject: | cuting metal fittings |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I bought one of those saws like Jim Markle also. Mine was a Delta. Just tip
up to the vertical position. I fabricated a beefier "table" than the one t
hey had. Once that was done the saw worked very well. Only downside to thes
e types is the throat depth is fairly small. But somehow I managed to work
around this. You can do most sawing operations sitting down on the "horse"
part of the saw. Kind of nice during a long work day.
Dan Helsper
Puryear TN
10 days till I leave for PG, then on to Brodhead!!
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot's seat height question |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Thanks, gents.
I'm going with the assumption that the 21" dimension is a mistake (which is what
I thought in the first place, but thought I'd ask anyway). Apparently that is
the only error in the whole set of plans, so that's pretty good. :)
Bill C.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pilot's seat height question |
Bill,
I'm not so sure that maybe the intent was to allow 1" of that seatback to
stick up for an attachment of the turtledeck. I chose to do differently,
though. I'll give BP the benefit...
GB
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 2:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pilot's seat height question
Thanks, gents.
I'm going with the assumption that the 21" dimension is a mistake (which is
what I thought in the first place, but thought I'd ask anyway). Apparently
that is the only error in the whole set of plans, so that's pretty good. :)
Bill C.
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| From: | norm <coevst(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pilot's seat height question |
I just checked mine ,-and I think what we're not taking into account is t
he =0Aangle of the seat back --- maybe?- norm=0A--------
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piet(at)sympatico.ca>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, July 9,
2011 5:47:27 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pilot's seat height question
ico.ca>=0A=0AThanks, gents.=0AI'm going with the assumption that the 21" di
mension is a mistake (which is what =0AI thought in the first place, but th
ought I'd ask anyway). Apparently that is =0Athe only error in the whole se
t of plans, so that's pretty good.- :)=0A=0ABill C.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead th
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220810979400&s
sPageName=ADME:B:SS:MOTORS:1123
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? |
| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
I have the Delta metal band saw, but I want to show you what cuts a lot of metal
in my shop. After using this shear you will wonder how you ever got by without
one. This is from Woodward FAB, they are made in China but the blade stays
sharp and I have no problem shearing .090. The handle is 24 inches long. You
can even buy the demo unit at Oshkosh after the big show and save some money.
I like this tool !
Dan
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| From: | Owen Davies <owen5819(at)comcast.net> |
I just happened across a set of free plans for a rubber band-powered
Piet with a 28-inch wingspan. It is at
http://smallflyingarts.com/free-plans/, about a third of the way down
the page.
(Probably everyone knows about them already.)
Owen
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| Subject: | Another question about the pilot's seat |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Just got thinking about the pilot's seat, and I began debating whether to make
it removable or not. The plans don't show it to be removable, but I know that
many builders have made their seats removable. But removable means more complicated,
and most likely also heavier. So, the question is:
For the builders that have made their rear seat bottoms removable, do you think
it was worthwhile or not? I'm sure it may be handy once in a while, but would
you consider it necessary? How often do you use the feature?
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345703#345703
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot's seat height question |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
To Gary: I guess that's possible, but it sure doesn't look like that in the drawings.
To Norm: The angle will result in a slightly larger dimension than the vertical
dimension, but not enough to account for a whole inch.
I think it's just a small error.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Amazing 3D printer |
| From: | "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> |
Hi Chuck,
We've got a 3-D printer at work and it is bloody awesome! It's used as a prototyping
tool to make sure that form, fit and aestheticss all look okay. I've had
lots of thoughts about what we could do with it as well. It's basically a printer
that blows dust and glue together. Afterwards with coat the assembly and
paint it for durability. Pretty tough material when you are done with it.
Lorin
--------
Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Thank you very much for everyones suggestions. I looked over here and a cheap metal
band saw is around $600 which is a lot more than I thought they would be!
I like the idea of the Sabre Saw. There is one on Ebay right now so will keep
an eye on it and see what it goes for. I wasnt looking forward to cutting with
a hacksaw.
Scotty
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built...
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot's seat height question |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Bill,
I am at the same point in building my fuselage as yourself so I'm following the
responses with interest. My take on the plans (reference your first picture
from the plans) is this-- to plans the long gusset behind the diagonal strut is
2 1/4"; the seat bottom is just below this. Guessing to scale, I would say
the seat bottom would be at 1 3/4" from the bottom of the longeron itself (not
the long bottom gusset glued there!). Jack's picture shows his seat above the
gusset; his plane is done and flies and shows that "to plans" here probably doesn't
matter. I cut my cardboard template to plans and it was too long as you've
already stated. I think I will cut my seat back to 1 3/4" from the bottom
of the longeron. I'd be interested in knowing what you end up doing.
By the way, I've been following your build on mykitplane.com; I'd love it if you
added more pictures at this stage of your build. Will you be at Brodhead?
Tom
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? |
I bought this saw from Harbor Freight for around 80 bucks, and put a
metal blade in it. You can clamp the motor housing in your vise and use
it to cut your fittings pretty well. Used it for the Piet, and lots of
other projects and its still going strong.
http://www.harborfreight.com/portable-variable-speed-bandsaw-47840.html
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Fl
Sure wishing I was going to Brodhead, maybe next year
On 7/10/2011 2:40 AM, bubbleboy wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bubbleboy"
>
> Thank you very much for everyones suggestions. I looked over here and a cheap
metal band saw is around $600 which is a lot more than I thought they would be!
I like the idea of the Sabre Saw. There is one on Ebay right now so will keep
an eye on it and see what it goes for. I wasnt looking forward to cutting with
a hacksaw.
>
> Scotty
>
> --------
> Scotty
>
> Tamworth, Australia
> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
> www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
> Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345718#345718
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Another question about the pilot's seat |
No. Mine is removable and in 5 years of flying I've never removed it. Now
the front seat is another matter. I remove it at every annual inspection,
to access the rudder bar and the brake master cylinders.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
Just got thinking about the pilot's seat, and I began debating whether to
make it removable or not. The plans don't show it to be removable, but I
know that many builders have made their seats removable. But removable means
more complicated, and most likely also heavier. So, the question is:
For the builders that have made their rear seat bottoms removable, do you
think it was worthwhile or not? I'm sure it may be handy once in a while,
but would you consider it necessary? How often do you use the feature?
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345703#345703
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Another question about the pilot's seat |
Jack,
Glad you mentioned that. I was planning to glue my front seat bottom. Did
you secure yours with screws?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:56 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
No. Mine is removable and in 5 years of flying I've never removed it. Now
the front seat is another matter. I remove it at every annual inspection,
to access the rudder bar and the brake master cylinders.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
Just got thinking about the pilot's seat, and I began debating whether to
make it removable or not. The plans don't show it to be removable, but I
know that many builders have made their seats removable. But removable means
more complicated, and most likely also heavier. So, the question is:
For the builders that have made their rear seat bottoms removable, do you
think it was worthwhile or not? I'm sure it may be handy once in a while,
but would you consider it necessary? How often do you use the feature?
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345703#345703
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Another question about the pilot's seat |
Yes. I have wood screws on 2" centers down each side of the seat bottom.
That too is overkill. Next time I'd use nutplates (wood screws don't work
well when frequently removed) and only use 4 of them.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
Jack,
Glad you mentioned that. I was planning to glue my front seat bottom. Did
you secure yours with screws?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:56 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
No. Mine is removable and in 5 years of flying I've never removed it. Now
the front seat is another matter. I remove it at every annual inspection,
to access the rudder bar and the brake master cylinders.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
Just got thinking about the pilot's seat, and I began debating whether to
make it removable or not. The plans don't show it to be removable, but I
know that many builders have made their seats removable. But removable means
more complicated, and most likely also heavier. So, the question is:
For the builders that have made their rear seat bottoms removable, do you
think it was worthwhile or not? I'm sure it may be handy once in a while,
but would you consider it necessary? How often do you use the feature?
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345703#345703
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| From: | norm <coevst(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pilot's seat height question |
Bill: on my plane the seat back angle floor to top of top longeron is 23" s
eat =0Aback is 19" from seating surface to top of longeron, I ran the seat
back plywood =0Aall the way to and attached it to the floor seat back is an
gled back 4 1/2"---- =0Adon't know if this helps ,, norm=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__
______________________________=0AFrom: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, July 9, 2011 11:56:51 PM
=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pilot's seat height question=0A=0A--> Piete
npol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" =0A=0ATo
Gary: I guess that's possible, but it sure doesn't look like that in the
=0Adrawings.=0A=0ATo Norm:- The angle will result in a slightly larger di
mension than the vertical =0Adimension, but not enough to account for a who
le inch.=0A=0AI think it's just a small error.=0A=0ABill C.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AR
ead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?
- - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Another question about the pilot's seat |
Jack,
Here's an idea I picked up at Brodhead '09 (may have been from Tim Mickel),
but decided to use it on my own. The pilot seat is cut in 1/3'rds, gussets
glued to the bottom to support a piece of 1/16" plywood, which just lays in
there. Center piece of pilot seat is hinged. Doesn't take much time, doesn't
add hardly any weight, you can still see anything you may want to under the
seat, and a little extra storage room for peanut butter sandwich, tools,
contraband.....
Gary
Pilot Seat Bottom 001.jpg
Pilot Seat Bottom 002.jpg
Pilot Seat Bottom 003.jpg
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 4:11 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
Jack,
Glad you mentioned that. I was planning to glue my front seat bottom. Did
you secure yours with screws?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:56 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
No. Mine is removable and in 5 years of flying I've never removed it. Now
the front seat is another matter. I remove it at every annual inspection,
to access the rudder bar and the brake master cylinders.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
Just got thinking about the pilot's seat, and I began debating whether to
make it removable or not. The plans don't show it to be removable, but I
know that many builders have made their seats removable. But removable means
more complicated, and most likely also heavier. So, the question is:
For the builders that have made their rear seat bottoms removable, do you
think it was worthwhile or not? I'm sure it may be handy once in a while,
but would you consider it necessary? How often do you use the feature?
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345703#345703
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
Hey Jack
I used a few strips of velcro to hold the seat bottom down. I have my ELT
located under the seat and have to access it.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 6:11 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
>
> Jack,
> Glad you mentioned that. I was planning to glue my front seat bottom.
> Did
> you secure yours with screws?
> Thanks,
> Jack
> DSM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Phillips
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:56 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
>
>
>
> No. Mine is removable and in 5 years of flying I've never removed it.
> Now
> the front seat is another matter. I remove it at every annual inspection,
> to access the rudder bar and the brake master cylinders.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Church
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:45 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
>
>
>
> Just got thinking about the pilot's seat, and I began debating whether to
> make it removable or not. The plans don't show it to be removable, but I
> know that many builders have made their seats removable. But removable
> means
> more complicated, and most likely also heavier. So, the question is:
> For the builders that have made their rear seat bottoms removable, do you
> think it was worthwhile or not? I'm sure it may be handy once in a while,
> but would you consider it necessary? How often do you use the feature?
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345703#345703
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
However if you did use just a hack saw, hand saw, hand drill, sandpaper and
files to build your Piet you could be the first person probably in decades
that has built a homebuilt entirely with handtools. (Don't know how you
would do the welding without power though, guess you could do the blacksmith
thing, heat them up good and red and beat the hell out of it).
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:40 AM, bubbleboy wrote:
> scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
>
> Thank you very much for everyones suggestions. I looked over here and a
> cheap metal band saw is around $600 which is a lot more than I thought they
> would be! I like the idea of the Sabre Saw. There is one on Ebay right now
> so will keep an eye on it and see what it goes for. I wasnt looking forward
> to cutting with a hacksaw.
>
> Scotty
>
> --------
> Scotty
>
> Tamworth, Australia
> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
> www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
> Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and 30 Ribs built...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345718#345718
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Thanks to all for the responses.
While it may be nice to have access, if it isn't really necessary, I don't want
to bother with it.
And Jack's reply that, in five years of flying, he has never had occasion to remove
his seat, summed it up for me.
I'll need to have an ELT as well, but I guess I just won't put under the seat.
I'm experimenting with adding a bit of curvature to the pilot's seat (for comfort,
inspired by the Adirondack chair), and making a removable curved seat is not
so simple. As I say. I'm still experimenting, so this idea might not pan out.
But if it does work, keeping it as simple as possible is the best way to go.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345766#345766
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| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Oh yeah, I did make the front seat removable.
I already had the sticks glued to the bottom of the 1/4" ply, and was about to
add the legs, when I thought that I would surely need access to the rudder bar
pivot, so I ripped off the underside structure, and made the seat removable (9
screws).
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345768#345768
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot's seat height question |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
To Tom:
I agree that this is not a super critical dimension. Too low, and it could interfere
with the controls - too high, and you stick out if the airplane too much,
but in between, I think there is quite a bit of leeway. Having learned drafting
back in the days before CAD, I know that smaller scale drawings usually cannot
be scaled accurately. While the long side gussets you refer to are supposed
to be 2 1/4", if you compare their size to the 1" longeron to which it attaches,
it appears to be closer to 3" than 2". It is for that reason that I would
defer to the larger scale detail on drawing No.4. In that detail, the space
between the top of the longeron and the bottom of the seat structure appears to
be larger than the longeron (1"). So, my guess would be somewhere around 2 1/4"
from the bottom of the longeron.
You're right - I've fallen behind on my photos on mykitplane.com. I'll try to
add some. And, yes, I will be at Brodhead. See you there?
To Norm:
My fuselage (like most, probably), is slightly different from the plans as well.
My seat back is tilted back 2 1/2", and my fuselage depth (height?) is increased
by 1". Having said that, the only relevant dimension for this discussion
is the distance between the bottom of the lower longeron and the underside of
the seat structure, since this is the amount of clear space for the controls to
pass through. As I mentioned above, I'm going to use 2 1/4" as the target. Thanks
for measuring.
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345769#345769
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| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
This pilot's seat just sits there by itself. Hasn't moved yet. The passenge
r seat is similar but is held down by 3 old-time brass slotted screws.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
Bill,
Just because I don't use my removable rear seat bottom doesn't mean that
you won't need access behind the seat. With the elevator bellcrank back
there (and the ELT, in my airplane), I decided to make a removable access
panel on the belly of the airlane to service this area.
You can see the area for the access panel in this picture of the fuselage
being covered:
This is another area that gets opened at each annual inspection, to inspect
and lubricate all the control cables and pulleys, as well as to change the
batteries in the ELT.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
Thanks to all for the responses.
While it may be nice to have access, if it isn't really necessary, I don't
want to bother with it.
And Jack's reply that, in five years of flying, he has never had occasion to
remove his seat, summed it up for me.
I'll need to have an ELT as well, but I guess I just won't put under the
seat.
I'm experimenting with adding a bit of curvature to the pilot's seat (for
comfort, inspired by the Adirondack chair), and making a removable curved
seat is not so simple. As I say. I'm still experimenting, so this idea might
not pan out. But if it does work, keeping it as simple as possible is the
best way to go.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345766#345766
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| From: | <don.h(at)wcoil.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
Looks good Jack I hope you dont do what I did with my Iron on the
concrete floor I put down my hot iron to do something and the cold
concrete floor fooled the iron in to heating up so I burned a hole just
the size of your modeling iron ( small one for none r/c people) right in
to the bottom of the fuse It=99s a real job to crawl way in the
back of a old t craft to put a patch in the fabric from the top
didn=99t like that repair so made a inspection patch on the
outside but never cut it open
From: Jack Phillips
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
Bill,
Just because I don't use my removable rear seat bottom doesn't mean
that you won't need access behind the seat. With the elevator bellcrank
back there (and the ELT, in my airplane), I decided to make a removable
access panel on the belly of the airlane to service this area.
You can see the area for the access panel in this picture of the
fuselage being covered:
This is another area that gets opened at each annual inspection, to
inspect and lubricate all the control cables and pulleys, as well as to
change the batteries in the ELT.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
Thanks to all for the responses.
While it may be nice to have access, if it isn't really necessary, I
don't want to bother with it.
And Jack's reply that, in five years of flying, he has never had
occasion to remove his seat, summed it up for me.
I'll need to have an ELT as well, but I guess I just won't put under the
seat.
I'm experimenting with adding a bit of curvature to the pilot's seat
(for comfort, inspired by the Adirondack chair), and making a removable
curved seat is not so simple. As I say. I'm still experimenting, so this
idea might not pan out. But if it does work, keeping it as simple as
possible is the best way to go.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345766#345766
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead wish list... |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey Jack,
I pretty much figured there wouldn't be much available, but you never know until
you ask. I'm a woodworker and was the same way when I started, but over time...
If anyone needs any hardwood...
I picked the Piet because it's wood, and I'm a woodworker. However, as my machine
shop as developed, I started leaning towards a steel tube fuse for the weight
savings. However, details about it seem sketchy, one of the things I hope
to resolve visiting Brodhead.
I'm leaning towards building my own prop, might even go with a tail skid, no electrical
system... I really want a bare bones Piet. The simpler, the better.
A couple little things, I would like to cane the seats and use wood struts
I'm quite mechanical, but this is my first plane. My dad built (after I left home)
a Hatz CB-1.
I have practically no light civil flying experience, and no tail dragger time.
I am, however, a commercial pilot (Delta airlines), military trained (Navy carrier).
Hence the desire for very simple. I've never really flown for fun!
Do any vendors bring building materials (to Brodhead or Oshkosh)? Would love to
not pay shipping on sheets of plywood or 15 foot long boards.
Mike
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345781#345781
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead wish list... |
Hi Tool,
While in the neighborhood, you might try McCormick Lumber in Madison, which
is only about 30 miles from Brodhead. They generally sell Sitka Spruce, and
have it much cheaper than Aircraft Spruce & Specialty or Wicks Aircraft
Supply. http://mccormicklumber.com/. You will have to select it yourself,
they don't sell "aircraft grade" spruce. Just bring a copy of AC 43.13 to
help you grade the wood.
If you can land on a carrier, you can probably land a Pietenpol, although it
wouldn't hurt to get some tailwheel training in a Cub or a Champ. Poplar
Grove Airport (C77) has a J-3 that they give instruction in, and they are
also about 30 miles from Brodhead, but in the opposite direction from
Madison.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead wish list...
Hey Jack,
I pretty much figured there wouldn't be much available, but you never know
until you ask. I'm a woodworker and was the same way when I started, but
over time... If anyone needs any hardwood...
I picked the Piet because it's wood, and I'm a woodworker. However, as my
machine shop as developed, I started leaning towards a steel tube fuse for
the weight savings. However, details about it seem sketchy, one of the
things I hope to resolve visiting Brodhead.
I'm leaning towards building my own prop, might even go with a tail skid, no
electrical system... I really want a bare bones Piet. The simpler, the
better.
A couple little things, I would like to cane the seats and use wood struts
I'm quite mechanical, but this is my first plane. My dad built (after I
left home) a Hatz CB-1.
I have practically no light civil flying experience, and no tail dragger
time. I am, however, a commercial pilot (Delta airlines), military trained
(Navy carrier). Hence the desire for very simple. I've never really flown
for fun!
Do any vendors bring building materials (to Brodhead or Oshkosh)? Would
love to not pay shipping on sheets of plywood or 15 foot long boards.
Mike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345781#345781
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| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Yes Jack, I had already planned on having a removable access hatch like yours.
Can't see how having the rear seat removable would help with access to the area
behind the seat, though.
I figure that one would either have to have a hatch like yours, or make the seat
back removable, and although neither are the easiest ways to access that area,
I think it might be easier going up from underneath, rather than through the
seat back.
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345785#345785
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| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Bill C.
I made a belly access panel like Jack's. I made mine large enough for me to
get my upper torso inside the thing. Really comes in handy when you are tr
ying to fiddle with all those control connections.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 2:04 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
>
Yes Jack, I had already planned on having a removable access hatch like you
rs.
an't see how having the rear seat removable would help with access to the a
rea
ehind the seat, though.
figure that one would either have to have a hatch like yours, or make the
seat
ack removable, and although neither are the easiest ways to access that are
a, I
hink it might be easier going up from underneath, rather than through the s
eat
ack.
Bill C.
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
Bill,
You mentioned a curved seat, and I'm sure you have an excellent idea about
how to do that. I did a poor job of taking pictures while visiting Robert
Caldwell, but in the attached, you can just get a glimpse of his curved
seat. In case you want more pics, here's Robert's email: caldwrl(at)etex.net
It looked VERY comfortable!
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
Yes Jack, I had already planned on having a removable access hatch like
yours. Can't see how having the rear seat removable would help with access
to the area behind the seat, though.
I figure that one would either have to have a hatch like yours, or make the
seat back removable, and although neither are the easiest ways to access
that area, I think it might be easier going up from underneath, rather than
through the seat back.
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345785#345785
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Pilot's seat height question |
Bill;
You asked about removable rear seat bottom. 41CC has a removable rear
seat and I've used it a time or two. I think it's useful to have. The
way it's done on my airplane is that the seat bottom is in several
pieces or layers. The top layer is thin plywood with the upholstery
installed on it, and it sits loose in the airplane. Beneath it is a solid, thin
plywood seat panel that is secured in place with a couple of screws.
Beneath that is the seat framing and the control cables running aft.
I can provide a few pictures if you'd like to see what it looks like.
The rear, or backrest, part of my seat is also accessible. A part of
the backrest plywood is cut out and hinges forward for access to the
antennas (ELT and VHF COMM), elevator walking beam controls, and of
course the well-renowned and vast Air Camper storage space back there
I carry the airplane's papers, a small bottle of water, spare goggles
and leather helmet, and gloves in a small pouch mounted to the back
of the hinged panel. There really isn't much space back
there for more than that and the CG doesn't like stuff back there
anyway.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | George Abernathy <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? |
Hey Scott,=0A=0AI decided to concentrate on the metal fittings first. They
are small and easily concealed. =0A=0A=0AI scored a doall bandsaw on ebay.
I don't think that the guy knew what it was worth. The thing weighs a ton!
literally. Came with a blade welder and I have lots of 3/16 and 1/4 blade s
tock that is supposed to cut hard stuff.- Gotta make some guides for it t
o run the thin blades . It cheerfully cuts up wood and thicker metal with t
he 1/2 inch blade it came with. =0A=0A=0ADon't buy the cheap rubbish!--
I got the doall for 900.00. It is three phase and at the moment I have a s
ingle phase motor turning it. I have seen several- band saws on ebay and
grays on line. Remember the bigger it is the better it is and the cheaper i
t is. You would be suprized what people will outright give you if you have
a big enough truck. I saw a monster of a saw 36 inch go for 400.00.=0A=0A
=0AThe other option is to get an old wood saw and change the pulleys or ins
tall a jack shaft to slow it down. =0A=0A=0AI am looking for an old welder
that will accept both 240 and 415 single phase to make a phase converter. S
o far no luck. =0A=0A=0AAs for the pain in the petunias elevator rudder and
aileron horns I have a layout done and have found a supplier in the usa in
witchita. Now if I can find a laser cutter close to the supplier there wil
l be enough blanks for 8 airplanes. Because of the peculiar shapes it neede
d a 36x72 sheet to not have a bunch of waste. I am waiting for a reply from
the latest laser guy. =0A=0A=0AI found a laser guy here in canberra to cut
the rest of the fittings if need be.-=0A=0ASo don't stress over the fitt
ings.-=0A=0AGeorge=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: bu
bbleboy =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASe
nt: Sunday, July 10, 2011 4:40 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Best way t
" =0A=0AThank you very much for everyones sugges
tions. I looked over here and a cheap metal band saw is around $600 which i
s a lot more than I thought they would be! I like the idea of the Sabre Saw
. There is one on Ebay right now so will keep an eye on it and see what it
goes for. I wasnt looking forward to cutting with a hacksaw.=0A=0AScotty=0A
=0A--------=0AScotty=0A=0ATamworth, Australia=0ABuilding a Corvair Powered
Pietenpol Air Camper=0A=0Awww.scottyspietenpol.com=0A=0ARudder, Vert stab,
Elevators and 30 Ribs built...=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:
=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345718#345718=0A=0A=0A
====================
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| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Dan,
One big regret of mine, in not being able to attend Brodhead last summer, was that
I didn't get to see your beautiful Air Camper in person. Having seen photos
of the construction process over that years, I was really looking forward to
seeing the finished product. So, I'm quite relieved to hear that you will be
bringing it back this year. I'll be sure to check out your belly access panel
(among many other details) in a couple of weeks.
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345822#345822
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| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Gary,
THAT is a great shot of the curved seat. :)
>From the little bit that's exposed in the photo, the top part looks like what
I have in mind. They say that great minds think alike, so Robert must be quite
a whiz. :)
Actually, this is an idea I've had for several years, since I built a couple of
Adirondack chairs. They are absolutely the most comfortable outdoor chairs (without
cushions) that I've ever sat in. I thought about duplicating the construction
method (using wooden slats), but decided that it would just be too heavy,
so I'm trying to duplicate the shape in plywood.
I'll see if my idea works, and if not, I may pick Robert's brain. Thanks for the
contact info.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Bill,
Thank you for the kind words. I too am really looking forward to Brodhead t
his year. It will be a special year, attending the first annual Friday Lunc
h Bunch at the Textor camper, getting to meet all the Piet-list guys in per
son. Meeting face to face always makes a big difference.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 6:50 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
>
Dan,
ne big regret of mine, in not being able to attend Brodhead last summer, wa
s
hat I didn't get to see your beautiful Air Camper in person. Having seen ph
otos
f the construction process over that years, I was really looking forward to
eeing the finished product. So, I'm quite relieved to hear that you will be
ringing it back this year. I'll be sure to check out your belly access pane
l
among many other details) in a couple of weeks.
Bill C.
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
took the plunge today.. a buddy came over in the afternoon to help..he's the short
hair guy.. he did pretty good work..
its strange to wield a chain saw at what needs to be a prop but it works..
kinda fun... its balanced really well so far.. i feel like its a little thick on
the ends but they both match.. maybe some more thinning before final sanding
jeff
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| From: | "Amsafetyc(at)gmail.com" <amsafetyc(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
I hugged the seat bottom, it gives an easy inspestion access and additional
storage possibly. A piece of piano hinge some wood screws and bingo bango
bongaroo and its done just like FM.
John
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Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 03:50:04 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question about the pilot's seat
Just got thinking about the pilot's seat, and I began debating whether to
make it removable or not. The plans don't show it to be removable, but I
know that many builders have made their seats removable. But removable means
more complicated, and most likely also heavier. So, the question is:
For the builders that have made their rear seat bottoms removable, do you
think it was worthwhile or not? I'm sure it may be handy once in a while,
but would you consider it necessary? How often do you use the feature?
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
| From: | "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> |
Underneath my pilot seat are two separate storage boxes with hinged lids. It's
the only place in the plane that I can store tiedowns and misc. stuff.
Lorin
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Waiex N81YX
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Jack and Sue,
I'm VERY new to the group and especially the forum, and this will be my first visit
to Brodhead. My girlfriend (Robin), my son (Scott) and I would love to join
you all.
My girlfriend is from Wisconsin, so I think we should contribute something local,
and propose Brandy Old Fashions for later in the day.
We'll contribute anything else you deem worthwhile upon request. Funds, son's
labor, whatever.
I'll be coming in a motorhome as well, hoping to show up very early Thurs morning.
If we can reasonably co-locate, perhaps the extra kitchen might be of use.
I also have some extra space in the coach, so beds are available for whomever might
need them.
Thanks for the invite, very much looking forward to meeting everyone!
Mike
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
Welcome Mike. Hope to park on the very SE corner of the field, next to the
white fence to the south. Shown in the attached picture C-37 and labeled
"Drive-in camping". My earlier post was incorrect with SW. Also shown near
the top left of the picture attached. It will be nice to have the
additional help if needed. We should be there close to noon Thursday. With
Matt's pot and help we will start boiling the fish...brats (sorry) Friday
morning. With Matt's grill and ours we should be able to get them cooked
pretty well. The Piggly Wiggly is making them fresh for a Friday morning
pick up. Weather permitting I will take the Honda to pick them up. Keep
your fingers crossed for FANTASTIC weather.
Jack
DSM
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Get-together
Jack and Sue,
I'm VERY new to the group and especially the forum, and this will be my
first visit to Brodhead. My girlfriend (Robin), my son (Scott) and I would
love to join you all.
My girlfriend is from Wisconsin, so I think we should contribute something
local, and propose Brandy Old Fashions for later in the day.
We'll contribute anything else you deem worthwhile upon request. Funds,
son's labor, whatever.
I'll be coming in a motorhome as well, hoping to show up very early Thurs
morning. If we can reasonably co-locate, perhaps the extra kitchen might be
of use.
I also have some extra space in the coach, so beds are available for
whomever might need them.
Thanks for the invite, very much looking forward to meeting everyone!
Mike
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jeff,
Looks like fun. Very cool and congratulations. Mine ended up a little thick
on the tips also, as I was afraid of getting it too thin. But if you look
at some of the factory props they get pretty thin at some of the edges.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 8:25 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: propeller
>
took the plunge today.. a buddy came over in the afternoon to help..he's th
e
hort hair guy.. he did pretty good work..
ts strange to wield a chain saw at what needs to be a prop but it works..
inda fun... its balanced really well so far.. i feel like its a little thic
k on
he ends but they both match.. maybe some more thinning before final sanding
jeff
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lucky Stiffs |
Kevin:
And I will be eternally (infernally?) greatful.
Tom
>>> "kevinpurtee" 7/8/2011 9:57 PM >>>
Now Tom, you know I'm working on bringing a little Brodhead to you...
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I've got a question that is related to Jacks
last post. If I were to drive out in an RV for the day (Friday/Saturday),
could I expect to find reasonable parking? Here is my situation in a nut shell...
Planned to hit Brodhead while staying in Rockford... have 3 nights reserved.
Picking up a rental car in Rockford and returning in Oshkosh the following week
to get around a bit easier.
Suddenly have a new addition to our group (Mother) who said... "let's get and RV",
which we did.
So... if it would be possible to drive it out for the day in the RV I would like
to do that for her convenience/comfort... but if parking is slim pickins I'd
rather not fight with it... we'll just bring the rental car. I know what the
regular parking area looks like... kind of tight at times, but I don't recall
what the drive in camping area looks like.
Please advise.
Thanks!
--------
Mark Chouinard
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
Hey Bill, Some years ago I worked up some laminated pieces for front and
rear Piet seats. Decided not to go that way. There should be enough for the
ply and horizontal spruce for both seats.
They are yours for postage, unless I wind up driving to Brodhead and could
bring them.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
> I'm experimenting with adding a bit of curvature to the pilot's seat (for
comfort, inspired by the Adirondack chair), and making a removable curved
seat is not so simple. As I say. I'm still experimenting, so this idea
might not pan out. But if it does work, keeping it as simple as possible is
the best way to go.
>
> Bill C.
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
Brodhead is like no other show. Yes you can easily find a place to park,
except on Sat during the day. Look at the pic Jack posted. That is
reasonable of the situation.
Dick N.
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From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Get-together
>
> I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I've got a question that is related
> to Jacks last post. If I were to drive out in an RV for the day
> (Friday/Saturday), could I expect to find reasonable parking? Here is my
> situation in a nut shell...
>
> Planned to hit Brodhead while staying in Rockford... have 3 nights
> reserved.
> Picking up a rental car in Rockford and returning in Oshkosh the following
> week to get around a bit easier.
> Suddenly have a new addition to our group (Mother) who said... "let's get
> and RV", which we did.
>
> So... if it would be possible to drive it out for the day in the RV I
> would like to do that for her convenience/comfort... but if parking is
> slim pickins I'd rather not fight with it... we'll just bring the rental
> car. I know what the regular parking area looks like... kind of tight at
> times, but I don't recall what the drive in camping area looks like.
>
> Please advise.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Thanks Dick... We've been there a couple of times, so I can recall the general
parking and how it gets busy... I just can't recall how the drive in camping fills
up. We'll just drive that big thing out there and find a spot for it.
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| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
| From: | "caldwrl" <caldwrl(at)etex.net> |
Since Gary literally exposed me (but not much of my seat back), I thought I would
weigh in and attempt to attach an image or two of my seat. I got much of my
inspiration from the Bingelis books regarding the ergonomic needs of a body
sitting for a couple of hours with little ability to move about... sound familiar?
I made my seat bottom and back removable (at this point of construction).
The bottom merely sits in place and is contoured to give more support under
the thigh region. The back is curved 2" deep and is held in place by wood screws
and upholstery washers. The key to the curved back was laminating the cross
members to a depth that would allow cutting the recess into them. The bottom
member was cut 1" recess and as mentioned before, the top 2". The 1/8" basswood
ply easily took the curve when inserted.
Hope this helps... hope to see all at Brodhead. Look for my Stinson 108-3 winging
in on Friday, or perhaps Thursday, if weather permits.
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Robert Caldwell
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| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Skip,
Clearly, my idea is not original. I hadn't seen it done before on a Piet, but like
almost any idea, it's probably been done at least once before. What made you
decide not to pursue the idea further?
That's a kind offer. I cut out a few support pieces last night, so I think I'll
be okay to make my own. I'll know better over the next week or so whether my
method will work or not.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Robert,
Thanks for providing the photos. Looks good. You are doing some nice work there.
Hope you didn't mind being "exposed".
I see you made your seat bottom with slats. My original idea was to do the seat
bottom and back using slats, just like the Adirondack chairs, but then thought
it might get too heavy, so decided that plywood would be a better choice. Slats
is definitely easier than curving plywood.
I'll look for you at Brodhead.
Bill C.
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
Dick, that picture was taken from your front seat...thanks!
Jack
DSM
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Get-together
Brodhead is like no other show. Yes you can easily find a place to park,
except on Sat during the day. Look at the pic Jack posted. That is
reasonable of the situation.
Dick N.
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From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Get-together
>
> I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I've got a question that is related
> to Jacks last post. If I were to drive out in an RV for the day
> (Friday/Saturday), could I expect to find reasonable parking? Here is my
> situation in a nut shell...
>
> Planned to hit Brodhead while staying in Rockford... have 3 nights
> reserved.
> Picking up a rental car in Rockford and returning in Oshkosh the following
> week to get around a bit easier.
> Suddenly have a new addition to our group (Mother) who said... "let's get
> and RV", which we did.
>
> So... if it would be possible to drive it out for the day in the RV I
> would like to do that for her convenience/comfort... but if parking is
> slim pickins I'd rather not fight with it... we'll just bring the rental
> car. I know what the regular parking area looks like... kind of tight at
> times, but I don't recall what the drive in camping area looks like.
>
> Please advise.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345902#345902
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
The aft seat bottom in my Piet is divided into three sections also. The center
is screwed down with aluminum dividers so things stored on either side can not
travel inboard and conflict with the cables.
For aft inspections, I plan on using a technique I utilized on construction of
a Boredom Fighter where two zippers are sewn onto the bottom fabric and finishing
tapes are applied during covering. Masking tape is applied over the teeth
during covering and painting then when finished, the masking tape is removed,
the zippers opened and the fabric cut with a razor blade. The end result is
a triangular flap that can be zipped up during use and unzipped when wanting access.
Worked very well with the Stitts process well see how the latex handles
it. Belly access.JPG
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Hey Jack,
I think your original description of your location was correct, and your correction
is wrong. The Drive-in camping is shown in the SW corner (not the SE).
Or at least that's what we would call SW up here in Canada. :)
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Listers,
Being a purist, (almost a parody of myself at this point) I'll have to admi
t (albeit reluctantly) that the flat seat back gets to me after only a shor
t time. You know those two bones that kind of stick out of your lower back?
About 4-5 inches apart? At waist level. Those two bones rub into that seat
back and it becomes very sore very fast. I am going to slide my rubber mou
se pad down into my pants behind my belt. That should fix it! This is techn
ically a part of my wardrobe, and not an alteration or addition to the BHP
plans. No comments please.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:22 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
>
Robert,
hanks for providing the photos. Looks good. You are doing some nice work th
ere.
ope you didn't mind being "exposed".
see you made your seat bottom with slats. My original idea was to do the s
eat
ottom and back using slats, just like the Adirondack chairs, but then thoug
ht
t might get too heavy, so decided that plywood would be a better choice. Sl
ats
s definitely easier than curving plywood.
'll look for you at Brodhead.
Bill C.
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
Bill,
Since I've never flown in I've always been screwed up on directions there.
Tell me if I'm all wet, the diagram shows runway 27 "up". Is that correct?
If so it's SE. No matter what it is it's the "Drive-In Camping Area" a mile
from the action...
You say pardner?
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 12:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Get-together
Hey Jack,
I think your original description of your location was correct, and your
correction is wrong. The Drive-in camping is shown in the SW corner (not the
SE).
Or at least that's what we would call SW up here in Canada. :)
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Well...um....since it's runway 27, that means it points 270
degrees.....which is due west.....if you land the opposite direction you are
on 9, which is 90 degrees.....so that would point due east.....
Ryan
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Jack wrote:
>
> Bill,
> Since I've never flown in I've always been screwed up on directions there.
> Tell me if I'm all wet, the diagram shows runway 27 "up". Is that correct?
> If so it's SE. No matter what it is it's the "Drive-In Camping Area" a
> mile
> from the action...
> You say pardner?
> Jack
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Church
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 12:52 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Get-together
>
> billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
>
> Hey Jack,
> I think your original description of your location was correct, and your
> correction is wrong. The Drive-in camping is shown in the SW corner (not
> the
> SE).
> Or at least that's what we would call SW up here in Canada. :)
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345930#345930
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
I think I forgot to put my thinking cap on today. Totally missed the runway numbers
on the map, and just assumed North was UP, like a normal map. And I've driven
in numerous times, and lost my sense of direction as well.
My apologies for questioning your directions, sir.
I'll see you in the "Drive-in Camping" area.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
I use cushions. I know that sounds radical.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
Bill,
I decided to stay a little closer to the plans. The holes are made of 2
layers of 1/8 ply the bottom layer hole being 1/2" smaller than the top
layer. Plan to use the middle hole for maintance access and the outer holes
will have canvas cargo bags, still have to figure a way to keep the canvas
from fouling the rudder cables. Plan to use leather hindges and hope to be
able to slide my butt to access cargo in flight. The hole in the pac seat
is just for inspection/maintance.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
>What made you decide not to pursue the idea further?
>
> Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
| From: | "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> |
WoW!! Flip the flap up in flight and it looks like you've got quite a nice way
to relieve yourself... :D
--------
Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Get-together |
| From: | "Paul N. Peckham" <peckham9(at)countryspeed.com> |
Jack,
Thank you for your generous offer. My son and I will be there, and also to help
out. Thanks again.
Paul
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
Perhaps one of the seats from Oregon Aero is your simple solution. they use a memory
foam that is super comfortable for long trips. Then you can still be a purist.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:34
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
>
> Listers,
>
> Being a purist, (almost a parody of myself at this point) I'll have
> to admit (albeit reluctantly) that the flat seat back gets to me
> after only a short time. You know those two bones that kind of
> stick out of your lower back? About 4-5 inches apart? At waist
> level. Those two bones rub into that seat back and it becomes very
> sore very fast. I am going to slide my rubber mouse pad down into
> my pants behind my belt. That should fix it! This is technically a
> part of my wardrobe, and not an alteration or addition to the BHP
> plans. No comments please.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Church <
> To: pietenpol-list <
> Sent: Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:22 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
>
>
> Robert,
> hanks for providing the photos. Looks good. You are doing some nice work there.
> ope you didn't mind being "exposed".
> see you made your seat bottom with slats. My original idea was to do the seat
> ottom and back using slats, just like the Adirondack chairs, but then thought
> t might get too heavy, so decided that plywood would be a better choice. Slats
> s definitely easier than curving plywood.
> 'll look for you at Brodhead.
> Bill C.
>
>
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| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
well i know a little about it......My Dad (Lynn Rusch) built a Mercedes Benz Diesel
powered Piet back it 1975-76 for Doug Rhode, i was only 8 years old at the
time but i do remember it pretty good. Doug was the pilot at the time and it
never had enough power to keep it in the air and on the maiden flight it nosed
over coming down.......not real bad, but enough to say that engine wasnt going
to work. I believe it ended up with a continental engine and traveled all
around the country with a few different owners. The last i heard the plane is
sitting in a storage shed 10 miles away from where it was built KMTW....i just
happen to be finishing the sister plane that my dad was building for himself
at the same time. I have a few newspaper clippings of the diesel powered piet,
it was a big deal at the time. I remember my dad telling me they went to visit
Bernard and discussed the engine installation/choice face to face....
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| Subject: | Re: Best way to cut metal fittings? |
| From: | "olflyr45" <wyliejohnson45(at)gmail.com> |
Ideally you would want to have 3 teeth of the saw blade in the metal during the
cut. If you are cutting .060 sheet for instance the blade should have .020 between
the teeth or 50 teeth per inch. This will prevent hanging and tearing
the teeth off the blade. Of course with very thin stock you just can't get blades
fine enough so get the finest pitch you can and feed the stock slowly.
In doing the layout you need to make sure that the grain of the metal is in
line with the stress that is going to be in the finished fitting to get maximum
strength. If you look closely at the raw metal you can see a grain in it
similar to what you see in a piece of wood.
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| From: | Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com> |
Kevin-
Get a new airport and ditch the radio.........simple!
Larry
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| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
Set the Mits engine in place for the first time.......i think it looks pretty cool!
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| Subject: | Head start on a project |
| From: | "olflyr45" <wyliejohnson45(at)gmail.com> |
I have a fuselage and tail group from a Pietenpol which has about 200 hrs on it.
If you're going to build one this could get you in the air 6 months sooner.
If interested Reply to wyliejohnson45(at)gmail.com and I'll send you pictures.
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| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Chris,
Is there a thrust bearing in your Al shaft adapter housing ? A great installation.
Looks like it will do the job. Is it direct connected.
Do I see a blunter leading edge on the wing profile ?, Or is it all Pietenpol ?
Pieti Lowell
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
I think it looks WAY cool! That's pretty neat....it's gonna be fun seeing/hearing
a prop spin in front of that engine!
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Rusch <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net>
>Sent: Jul 12, 2011 5:45 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress!!
>
>
>Set the Mits engine in place for the first time.......i think it looks pretty
cool!
>
>
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| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
Yes there are two timken bearings and a isolator ring seperating the crank from
the prop spindle.
The wing is riblet 612...
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| From: | "Three-Wire" <heap_r(at)hotmail.com> |
Ladies & Gentlemen,
Ive been reading the posts of this group for a couple of years now and think its
time to introduce myself. My wife and I have each wanted to build an airplane
since before we met and settled on a Piet as hopefully our first of several.
Last year we bought Ken Heides project to give ourselves a head-start on the
Piet but life intervened and we havent been able to make any progress since
bringing it home.
Now my A&P schooling is done, work is stable for the time being, were perilously
close to owning a house in an airpark outside of Wichita, and I think after
Oshkosh we can start clearing out our small hangar and turn Kens project into
our Piet.
Weve been planning on tent camping at Brodhead Friday night through Sunday morning
on our way to Oshkosh this year and Im looking forward to meeting some of
the characters whose posts Ive read. Ive got a ton of questions about several
aspects of the Piet and am excited to soak up some of the knowledge at Brodhead.
So this is my Hello, thank you for sharing the wonderful wealth of information
that is on these boards, and I hope to be able to contribute some of my own experiences
over time. Thanks for listening, and I look forward to meeting you
in less than two weeks.
Rob Heap
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
Yea, that will work good till I cover the bottom of the fuse ;)
Skip
> [Original Message]
> WoW!! Flip the flap up in flight and it looks like you've got quite a
nice way to relieve yourself... :D
> Lorin Miller
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Another question about the pilot's seat |
>Flip the flap up in flight and it looks like you've got
>quite a nice way to relieve yourself...
The relieving is not so bad; it's the cleanup afterwards that is no fun.
Of course, I suppose you could put a disposable plastic liner in there
prior to the flight.
Yikes! Mr. Pietenpol would be shakin' his head at all this!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Looks like the island of "Mits-fits" toys...!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Chris.
Look me up at Brodhead, I will give you a Riblett ride. I also use a thrust bearing
between the front main and the prop. With a prop extension a quick prop change
is valuable to find the proper pitch and diameter.
Pieti Lowell
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Ride swapping at Brodhead |
Pieti Lowell, I might like to bum a ride in a Ford Piet myself.- I am 180
lbs, so if I am not to fat I would love to swap rides, that is if your not
affraid of the corvair.- I am still not sure if we are heading up on wed
, or thurs, if the weather is good and I can get a baby sitter for wed morn
ing, I will try to blast off then.- I wouldn't mind catching a ride in a
cont powered Pipet as well, just to compare it to our piet, it's the only o
ne I have flown in.
-
Shad Bell
NX92GB
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Another question about the pilot's seat |
Dan,
Do you reaaaally think that good old Bernerd didn't slip a thin boat
cushion behind his tuckus to make the ride more comfortable? Me-thinks
he probably did, seeing as he came from the land of 10,000 lakes.
There's only so much a Lutheran can and will put up with, and no where
in the bible does it say, thou shalt endure the constant ache and pain
of sitting on hard seats for hours on end. Heck, even the Lutheran
church I was baptised in installed seat cushions on the pews.
Of course, you'll have to get the right kind of cushion to preserve your
purity - it'll have to have cotton batting with a 1950's ducks in flight
pattern and be impregnated with copious amounts of engine oil, gas
fumes, and sweat stains. I'm sure you can probably find one at any
number of garage sales in the smaller towns or villages positioned on or
near a lake. Probably set you back a whole 35.
Sincerely,
Dan
On 07/11/2011 06:23 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Listers,
> Being a purist, (almost a parody of myself at this point) I'll have to
> admit (albeit reluctantly) that the flat seat back gets to me after only
> a short time. You know those two bones that kind of stick out of your
> lower back? About 4-5 inches apart? At waist level. Those two bones rub
> into that seat back and it becomes very sore very fast. I am going to
> slide my rubber mouse pad down into my pants behind my belt. That should
> fix it! This is technically a part of my wardrobe, and not an alteration
> or addition to the BHP plans. No comments please.
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:22 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another question about the pilot's seat
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church">
>
> Robert,
> Thanks for providing the photos. Looks good. You are doing some nice work there.
> Hope you didn't mind being "exposed".
> I see you made your seat bottom with slats. My original idea was to do the seat
> bottom and back using slats, just like the Adirondack chairs, but then thought
> it might get too heavy, so decided that plywood would be a better choice. Slats
> is definitely easier than curving plywood.
> I'll look for you at Brodhead.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
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"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Ride swapping at Brodhead |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Anybody up for a drive in my girlfriend's Audi TT for a ride in ANYTHING with wings?
Just sayin...
Who knows, maybe I already gave some of you rides in one of my light twins (757's,
MD 88's, Saab 340's) or maybe the heavier twin (767-300ER)?
And I'm really not above groveling. However, I understand tactically withholding
rides increases motivation!
Cheers,
Tools (wondering if I should clear this with her, hehe?)
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ride swapping at Brodhead |
Tools,
Can you send pictures of your girlfriend and her TT? Wait.... strike that from
your memory...
Ah...I'm thinking I dug a very deep hole...
In humor...
KMH
--- On Wed, 7/13/11, tools wrote:
> From: tools <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ride swapping at Brodhead
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 12:58 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "tools"
>
> Anybody up for a drive in my girlfriend's Audi TT for a
> ride in ANYTHING with wings? Just sayin...
>
> Who knows, maybe I already gave some of you rides in one of
> my light twins (757's, MD 88's, Saab 340's) or maybe the
> heavier twin (767-300ER)?
>
> And I'm really not above groveling. However, I
> understand tactically withholding rides increases
> motivation!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tools (wondering if I should clear this with her, hehe?)
>
>
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346215#346215
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| Subject: | Re: Ride swapping at Brodhead |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Taking this "swapping rides" thing a bit far. LOL!
KM Heide wrote:
> Tools,
>
> Can you send pictures of your girlfriend and her TT? Wait.... strike that from
your memory...
>
> Ah...I'm thinking I dug a very deep hole...
>
> In humor...
>
> KMH
>
>
> --- On Wed, 7/13/11, tools wrote:
>
>
> > From: tools
> > Subject: Re: Ride swapping at Brodhead
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Date: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 12:58 PM
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> > by: "tools"
> >
> > Anybody up for a drive in my girlfriend's Audi TT for a
> > ride in ANYTHING with wings? Just sayin...
> >
> > Who knows, maybe I already gave some of you rides in one of
> > my light twins (757's, MD 88's, Saab 340's) or maybe the
> > heavier twin (767-300ER)?
> >
> > And I'm really not above groveling. However, I
> > understand tactically withholding rides increases
> > motivation!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Tools (wondering if I should clear this with her, hehe?)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
| From: | "xTrainwrecKx" <derek.brundage(at)gmail.com> |
Hello to all!
I have recently found my way into the wonderful world of the Piet, and I must say
that I am excited. I too am looking for a place in an airpark, or find a place
with enough land somewhere to allow me to build an airpark of my own.
I am currently learning and taking everything in from this awesome forum, as I
look to begin a Piet build with my wife once I return from my 7th tour to Afghanistan
and settle down for good. I am even looking for a job at any of the kit
plane or aircraft part manufacturing companies to learn more about design and
construction.
I am looking forward to becoming a member of the Piet family, build a beautiful
bird, and join you guys one day at Oshkosh and other fly-ins around the US. I
will thank you now for all of the help and support I know I will get from this
great community. God bless.
Very respectfully,
Derek
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ride swapping at Brodhead |
Have Piet rides available, mostly for pretty young females. Please send a
picture of your girlfriend, and her Audi (I have an in-nie, myself). I'll
be happy to give her a ride, if she's pretty enough.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ride swapping at Brodhead
Anybody up for a drive in my girlfriend's Audi TT for a ride in ANYTHING
with wings? Just sayin...
Who knows, maybe I already gave some of you rides in one of my light twins
(757's, MD 88's, Saab 340's) or maybe the heavier twin (767-300ER)?
And I'm really not above groveling. However, I understand tactically
withholding rides increases motivation!
Cheers,
Tools (wondering if I should clear this with her, hehe?)
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
Good to have you aboard, Derek! Are you going to be able to come to
Brodhead, Wisconsin next week for the Pietenpol Fly-in/Reunion? It will be
the best chance you'll ever have to learn everything about Pietenpols.
Where are you located (when you're not in Afghanistan)?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of xTrainwrecKx
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 5:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Hello to all!
I have recently found my way into the wonderful world of the Piet, and I
must say that I am excited. I too am looking for a place in an airpark, or
find a place with enough land somewhere to allow me to build an airpark of
my own.
I am currently learning and taking everything in from this awesome forum, as
I look to begin a Piet build with my wife once I return from my 7th tour to
Afghanistan and settle down for good. I am even looking for a job at any of
the kit plane or aircraft part manufacturing companies to learn more about
design and construction.
I am looking forward to becoming a member of the Piet family, build a
beautiful bird, and join you guys one day at Oshkosh and other fly-ins
around the US. I will thank you now for all of the help and support I know I
will get from this great community. God bless.
Very respectfully,
Derek
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| Subject: | Re: Ride swapping at Brodhead |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
A) You guys have dirty minds... we're gonna get along fine.
B) This reminds me of when I took a female (and kinda pretty, for a girl, if your'e
into that kind of thing) on a cross country training flight (in A-4's) to
"Wings Over Hickory NC" airshow. Within 30 minutes of landing, SHE was taxiing
by in the front seat of a Stearman. Just wasn't fair.
I eventually got a ride in that Stearman, so all's well that ends well.
See yous guys in a week or so. I'm bringing my first mocked up wing rib for critique.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
| From: | "xTrainwrecKx" <derek.brundage(at)gmail.com> |
Tom, I have already had some laughs at the great humor and happiness as I have
been reading through posts. I am already getting a headache from the hefty amount
of knowledge available. I am looking to have a great time building... even
when I hit the frustrating points, and expect nothing less. Always good to have
support behind you... or at least have a place to ask questions and seek answers.
Jack, I am currently in Afghanistan until September... but am looking for land
with a place that has room to build our Piet. I don't care where the land is really...
and if it attached to an air strip.. even better. I have had a rough
few years and am now looking to fly and enjoy my life with my family (and soon
to be Piet friends). As of now, we live in Vegas when I am back home.
I wish I could get to Brodhead and see all of the amazing Piets, styles and great
people. I have recently been in contact with Dick Navratil, and he is going
to try and pass me a couple of photos of the event. He is a great guy, one of
the first Piet builders I talked to... and the one who, overall, gave me the
Piet bug.
I look forward to the journey.
Very respectfully,
Derek
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| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Derek "trainwreck" Brundage,
Glad to have you aboard mi amigo. Hope to meet up with you and your family
some day at Brodhead. Thank you for your service, and wishing you all the b
est with your dreams.
Dan Helsper
"Pur" year, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: xTrainwrecKx <derek.brundage(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Jul 13, 2011 6:52 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
com>
Tom, I have already had some laughs at the great humor and happiness as I h
ave
een reading through posts. I am already getting a headache from the hefty
mount of knowledge available. I am looking to have a great time building...
ven when I hit the frustrating points, and expect nothing less. Always good
to
ave support behind you... or at least have a place to ask questions and see
k
nswers.
Jack, I am currently in Afghanistan until September... but am looking for l
and
ith a place that has room to build our Piet. I don't care where the land is
eally... and if it attached to an air strip.. even better. I have had a rou
gh
ew years and am now looking to fly and enjoy my life with my family (and so
on
o be Piet friends). As of now, we live in Vegas when I am back home.
I wish I could get to Brodhead and see all of the amazing Piets, styles and
reat people. I have recently been in contact with Dick Navratil, and he is
oing to try and pass me a couple of photos of the event. He is a great guy,
one
f the first Piet builders I talked to... and the one who, overall, gave me
the
iet bug.
I look forward to the journey.
Very respectfully,
erek
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| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
Pieti, ill take you up on that ride! ive never had a ride in a piet yet......
Ill be flying in with a rented 172
Pieti Lowell wrote:
> Chris.
> Look me up at Brodhead, I will give you a Riblett ride. I also use a thrust bearing
between the front main and the prop. With a prop extension a quick prop
change is valuable to find the proper pitch and diameter.
> Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
S E V E N tours in Afghanistan? Wow... All I can say is THANKS!
If you find some weird way to make it this year, I've got a bed for you. Otherwise,
I should have one for you next year!
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Ride swapping at Brodhead |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Only 19 hrs left? That's like two flights. Of course there's three of us, and
I carry a hundred and fifty THOUSAND pounds of fuel.... nevermind.
In that case, I have three words for ya... stow-a-way. Just sayin'. Probably
never know I'm there. Did I mention I'm not above groveling?
Tools (happy to run cokes and burgers out to ya between touch and gos)
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| Subject: | Re: Ride swapping at Brodhead |
| From: | "IT Girl" <shlizbth(at)gmail.com> |
pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> Have Piet rides available, mostly for pretty young females. Please send a
> picture of your girlfriend, and her Audi (I have an in-nie, myself). I'll
> be happy to give her a ride, if she's pretty enough.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> --
Can I have a ride Jack??
--------
Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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| From: | kmordecai001(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Flat seat back solution |
Dan,
I'm using a cloth mesh/wire frame lower back support on my flat plywood sea
t back, and it's very comfy.=C2- Got it for $20 at Sun n Fun, and they're
available from several sources:
http://www.amazon.com/Mesh-Back-Lumbar-Support-Chair/dp/B000RZNC0I
It also allows for air circulation in the summer!
Dave Mordecai
Panacea, FL
NX520SF
>
> > Listers,
> >
> > Being a purist, (almost a parody of myself at this point) I'll have
> > to admit (albeit reluctantly) that the flat seat back gets to me
> > after only a short time. You know those two bones that kind of
> > stick out of your lower back? About 4-5 inches apart? At waist
> > level. Those two bones rub into that seat back and it becomes very
> > sore very fast. I am going to slide my rubber mouse pad down into
> > my pants behind my belt. That should fix it! This is technically a
> > part of my wardrobe, and not an alteration or addition to the BHP
> > plans. No comments please.
> >
> > Dan Helsper
> > Puryear, TN
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ride swapping at Brodhead |
A ride for the IT Girl of the Skies! Why Certainly!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of IT Girl
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ride swapping at Brodhead
pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> Have Piet rides available, mostly for pretty young females. Please send a
> picture of your girlfriend, and her Audi (I have an in-nie, myself). I'll
> be happy to give her a ride, if she's pretty enough.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> --
Can I have a ride Jack??
--------
Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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| Subject: | Re: Ride swapping at Brodhead |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
She wants Top Billing!
------Original Message------
From: Jack Phillips
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ride swapping at Brodhead
Sent: Jul 13, 2011 6:56 PM
A ride for the IT Girl of the Skies! Why Certainly!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of IT Girl
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ride swapping at Brodhead
pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> Have Piet rides available, mostly for pretty young females. Please send a
> picture of your girlfriend, and her Audi (I have an in-nie, myself). I'll
> be happy to give her a ride, if she's pretty enough.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> --
Can I have a ride Jack??
--------
Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ride swapping at Brodhead |
I get to pick the clothes....
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Jul 13, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> A ride for the IT Girl of the Skies! Why Certainly!
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of IT
Girl
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:49 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ride swapping at Brodhead
>
>
>
> pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
>> Have Piet rides available, mostly for pretty young females. Please
send a
>> picture of your girlfriend, and her Audi (I have an in-nie, myself).
I'll
>> be happy to give her a ride, if she's pretty enough.
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>>
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>
>
> Can I have a ride Jack??
>
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> Shelley Tumino
> IT Girl
> wife of "Axel"
> NX899KP
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| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
| From: | "xTrainwrecKx" <derek.brundage(at)gmail.com> |
Dan, You are very welcome. I can't wait to bring the family out to Brodhead and
other events and meet you as well. We look forward to it.
Tools, I will sadly not be able to make it this year... but next year is a for
sure thing as long as nothing crazy happens. Hope to be somewhere in the middle
of my Piet project by then, with some hard work and long nights. Thank you for
the hospitality.
Ryan, as fun as it was.. it is time for me to rest and enjoy life. I am only 28,
but my body is done... and my mind rarely lets me sleep. I am a hard worker,
and have no problem learning anything new as long as it is something I enjoy...
and have no regrets about my experiences in the Navy. MOS was Explosives expert
(EOD) for the Seal Teams and Army ODA (Green Berets).
Very respectfully,
Derek
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| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Very cool...
But, what about those moustache hairs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nEFLKpknM4
:P
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:53 PM, xTrainwrecKx wrote:
> derek.brundage(at)gmail.com>
>
> Dan, You are very welcome. I can't wait to bring the family out to Brodhead
> and other events and meet you as well. We look forward to it.
>
> Tools, I will sadly not be able to make it this year... but next year is a
> for sure thing as long as nothing crazy happens. Hope to be somewhere in the
> middle of my Piet project by then, with some hard work and long nights.
> Thank you for the hospitality.
>
> Ryan, as fun as it was.. it is time for me to rest and enjoy life. I am
> only 28, but my body is done... and my mind rarely lets me sleep. I am a
> hard worker, and have no problem learning anything new as long as it is
> something I enjoy... and have no regrets about my experiences in the Navy.
> MOS was Explosives expert (EOD) for the Seal Teams and Army ODA (Green
> Berets).
>
> Very respectfully,
> Derek
>
>
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
Trainwreckx,
Thank you for your service! You don't know 'Dangerous Dave,' do you? ;-)
I hope, by now, you have checked out www.westcoastpiet.com. There's enough
stuff there to keep you going 'till September! We will see you NEXT year at
Brodhead....
Gary
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of xTrainwrecKx
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introductions
Hello to all!
I have recently found my way into the wonderful world of the Piet, and I
must say that I am excited. I too am looking for a place in an airpark, or
find a place with enough land somewhere to allow me to build an airpark of
my own.
I am currently learning and taking everything in from this awesome forum, as
I look to begin a Piet build with my wife once I return from my 7th tour to
Afghanistan and settle down for good. I am even looking for a job at any of
the kit plane or aircraft part manufacturing companies to learn more about
design and construction.
I am looking forward to becoming a member of the Piet family, build a
beautiful bird, and join you guys one day at Oshkosh and other fly-ins
around the US. I will thank you now for all of the help and support I know I
will get from this great community. God bless.
Very respectfully,
Derek
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| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I guess that means the Monsoon is scheduled for Thurday. ;0)
Actually, it has been in the upper 90's and VERY humid in Georgia, so I am hoping
for nice, cooler weather in Wisconsin. At least not so much humidity!
But, barring that, I am hoping for good flying weather to spend time with new friends.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Chris's Mitubishi |
Chris,
Sweet to see her installed!
Did you ever run her with the props we talked about? And if so, can you
share the numbers with us? I'm so curious as to what she'll turn up and
what kind of prop she'll like, a big Ford type or a smaller 'vair type.
What did the final weight come in at?
Douwe
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| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Chris:
If it is testable we might try to check the exhaust flow to see if your high positioned
pipes will be detected in the cockpits, or will the exhaust be deflected
higher.
Sometimes a passenger will notice exhaust in my Piet on landing or different maneuvers.
As long as they don't barf during flight.
One Week to go ~ Did I mention that I have never ever missed flying a Pietenpol
to all the fly-ins since the second one,1970 something, They gave caps for all
Piet pilots that were in attendance, I have a bushel basket full, and I am about
ready to give them up as well as all my Buckeye Pietenpol News letters from
the First publication to date. Plus much correspondence we had to have since
there wasn't the Email and volume of Piet lovers.
Pieti Lowell
Don't archive
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Hey jarhead, Where in Georgia ya'll from? I am in Atlanta and Lagrange. Cheers,
Gardiner Mason-- Old jarhead. See you in Brodhead
--- On Thu, 7/14/11, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead wx
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, July 14, 2011, 8:42 AM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "jarheadpilot82"
>
> I guess that means the Monsoon is scheduled for Thurday.
> ;0)
>
> Actually, it has been in the upper 90's and VERY humid in
> Georgia, so I am hoping for nice, cooler weather in
> Wisconsin. At least not so much humidity!
>
> But, barring that, I am hoping for good flying weather to
> spend time with new friends.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
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| Subject: | Re: Chris's Mitubishi |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
Thanks Douwe.....the prop i have for it is a 76 x 42 cloud cars, well see what
she does with that and adjust if needed. The final weight is 267 with the prop
adapter, i am trying to get all the pieces put together so i can verify my W/B
before i get too far along in case i need to make a new engine mount. Just need
to wire up the electronics and run fuel lines and it should run.
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| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Hey Derek! Glad to see that you found your way to the boards (or mail list as
some insist)... purists... pfffft. You are in the right place for sure. Hang
on to your hat!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
| From: | "xTrainwrecKx" <derek.brundage(at)gmail.com> |
Heya Gary, I do not know Dave... but I'd like to meet him, especially after seeing
his awesome Piet on here. What an awesome finishing touch. The worst part
I have found about being over here in all of my years, is the fact that I cannot
get on WestCoastPiet due to the base blocking the site. They also block any
video... so I can't even watch these beauties fly or even hear the engines.
K5YAC, Thank you for having me... I am here for the long haul.
The hardest time I am having is deciding what engine to run with that is good for
Cross Country with my wife and I, as we would like to spread the Piet love.
I was looking at the Rotec 2800 (a little pricey but oh so beautiful!), the Model
A, and the Corvair setup. I found a Model A for a good price, but don't want
to snag it if it is not up to the task. Any suggestions?
Very respectfully,
Derek
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| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Derek,
Send me your APO/FPO address and I will send you a DVD with a load of Piet videos
and other such goodies.
You can send your address to-
jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail(dot)com
I was in the better part of Naval Aviation for 10 and 1/2 years- Marine Aviation!
;0)
I look forward to hearing from you. Thank you for your service.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Chris's Mitubishi |
Those exhaust pipes look really great, but I'm wondering what its going
to sound like from the passenger seat (and pilot's seat). You might
want to think about pointing them away from your ears.. just my $0.02
Ben Charvet
On 7/14/2011 9:33 AM, Chris Rusch wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Chris Rusch"
>
> Thanks Douwe.....the prop i have for it is a 76 x 42 cloud cars, well see what
she does with that and adjust if needed. The final weight is 267 with the prop
adapter, i am trying to get all the pieces put together so i can verify my
W/B before i get too far along in case i need to make a new engine mount. Just
need to wire up the electronics and run fuel lines and it should run.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346308#346308
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
For a good cross-country reliability you left the most obvious choice
off of your list....Continentals can be worked on by anybody. If you
like to tinker go with the auto conversion but if you just want to fly.....
Ben
On 7/14/2011 10:53 AM, xTrainwrecKx wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "xTrainwrecKx"
>
> Heya Gary, I do not know Dave... but I'd like to meet him, especially after seeing
his awesome Piet on here. What an awesome finishing touch. The worst part
I have found about being over here in all of my years, is the fact that I cannot
get on WestCoastPiet due to the base blocking the site. They also block any
video... so I can't even watch these beauties fly or even hear the engines.
>
> K5YAC, Thank you for having me... I am here for the long haul.
>
> The hardest time I am having is deciding what engine to run with that is good
for Cross Country with my wife and I, as we would like to spread the Piet love.
I was looking at the Rotec 2800 (a little pricey but oh so beautiful!), the
Model A, and the Corvair setup. I found a Model A for a good price, but don't
want to snag it if it is not up to the task. Any suggestions?
>
> Very respectfully,
> Derek
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346315#346315
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
And it begins! Derek, you've managed to pour fuel on one of the many never ending
debates on your first try. Way to go! LOL!
www.flycorvair.com
--------
Mark Chouinard
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| Subject: | Re: Chris's Mitubishi |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
It cant be any worse than the straight stacks on the model "a"....but all that
aside, i love the sound, everything i own is loud!
bencharvet(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Those exhaust pipes look really great, but I'm wondering what its going
> to sound like from the passenger seat (and pilot's seat). You might
> want to think about pointing them away from your ears.. just my $0.02
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> Ben Charvet
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> On 7/14/2011 9:33 AM, Chris Rusch wrote:
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> > Thanks Douwe.....the prop i have for it is a 76 x 42 cloud cars, well see
what she does with that and adjust if needed. The final weight is 267 with the
prop adapter, i am trying to get all the pieces put together so i can verify
my W/B before i get too far along in case i need to make a new engine mount. Just
need to wire up the electronics and run fuel lines and it should run.
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> Ben Charvet, PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | New to the list, Illinois. |
| From: | "freerangequark" <freerangequark(at)gmail.com> |
Hi,
I'm new here and wanted to introduce myself. My name is Glenn Gordon, I live in
Buffalo Grove, IL and I work as a Mechanical Design Engineer.
I am seriously interested in building a Pietenpol powered with a Corvair engine.
This will be my third airplane: I have previously restored a 450 Stearman, and
built an RV-6.
I will be at Brodhead this weekend to see and admire all the Pietenpols. I'll
have my camera and notebook with me as well to document everything I learn.
Since I haven't flown in a Pietenpol yet, this is obviously something I am interested
in doing before taking on another homebuilt project. If there is anyone
who would be able to offer ride in exchange for me buying them fuel I would
be extremely grateful. I am excited about the prospect of getting back into an
airplane with Cub-like simplicity and elegance.
Keep the blue side up!
-Glenn
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | New to the list, Illinois. |
Glenn,
Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols. Look for me at Brodhead and
we'll see what we can do, if your not overly super-sized. Normally I prefer
to take girl passengers, around 18 to 20 years old, but we'll see.
Pietenpol with a dark green fuselage and cream colored wings and tail.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Hi,
I'm new here and wanted to introduce myself. My name is Glenn Gordon, I
live in Buffalo Grove, IL and I work as a Mechanical Design Engineer.
I am seriously interested in building a Pietenpol powered with a Corvair
engine.
This will be my third airplane: I have previously restored a 450 Stearman,
and built an RV-6.
I will be at Brodhead this weekend to see and admire all the Pietenpols.
I'll have my camera and notebook with me as well to document everything I
learn.
Since I haven't flown in a Pietenpol yet, this is obviously something I am
interested in doing before taking on another homebuilt project. If there is
anyone who would be able to offer ride in exchange for me buying them fuel I
would be extremely grateful. I am excited about the prospect of getting
back into an airplane with Cub-like simplicity and elegance.
Keep the blue side up!
-Glenn
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| Subject: | Re: New to the list, Illinois. |
| From: | "freerangequark" <freerangequark(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Jack,
I appreciate the offer! :D I'm 5'-11" 175.
I'll see if I can find a young female to bring with as well See you at Brodhead!
;)
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| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Jack - I'll deal with you next week! Figure all I have to do is grab you by the
finger, 'till you say "Uncle!"
Derek - I'm running my Corvair on the airframe for the first time, this weekend,
and will be posting a video. You will note extra heavy tiedowns as I don't want
that fuselage to break loose under the shear power of a screaming, 6 cyl Corvair!
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
| From: | "xTrainwrecKx" <derek.brundage(at)gmail.com> |
Amsafetyc, GWP... CAA...???? I am now lost. Haha. The Lycoming sounds nice.. post
pics when you can.
This is so fun, I love the friendship.
Very respectfully,
Derek
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Introductions |
Trainwreck,
GWP is "The Great Waldo Pepper." This movie is the meaning of life and
can be used to guide you in any situation. I believe Dan Helsper has the
original copy side-by-side in a sealed jar with the Lost Papers of
Bernard Pietenpol.
For example and one the may help you:
How do you deal with Arabs?
"Throw sand in their face, it'll blind them?"
Do you have issues with Tobacco?
"Waldo! They're smoking!" Then you smack 'em with a 2x4.
Dealing with practice wives and wimmin in general:
"I knew she wasn't worth top billing."
Calming and angry co-worker:
"Smile son! Never disconcert the masses!"
So let it be written, so let it be done.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Jul 14, 2011, at 1:23 PM, xTrainwrecKx wrote:
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> Amsafetyc, GWP... CAA...???? I am now lost. Haha. The Lycoming sounds
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> Derek
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Chris's Mitubishi |
the straight stacks on the Model A point straight out to the side, not
to the rear, and that could make a big difference. I'm running 12 inch
straight stacks on my A-65 but they point straight down and it isn't
very loud. I guess you can always change it later if it bothers you
Ben
On 7/14/2011 1:10 PM, Chris Rusch wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Chris Rusch"
>
> It cant be any worse than the straight stacks on the model "a"....but all that
aside, i love the sound, everything i own is loud!
>
>
> bencharvet(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> Those exhaust pipes look really great, but I'm wondering what its going
>> to sound like from the passenger seat (and pilot's seat). You might
>> want to think about pointing them away from your ears.. just my $0.02
>>
>> Ben Charvet
>>
>> On 7/14/2011 9:33 AM, Chris Rusch wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Douwe.....the prop i have for it is a 76 x 42 cloud cars, well see
what she does with that and adjust if needed. The final weight is 267 with the
prop adapter, i am trying to get all the pieces put together so i can verify
my W/B before i get too far along in case i need to make a new engine mount.
Just need to wire up the electronics and run fuel lines and it should run.
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346308#346308
>>>
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>> --
>> Ben Charvet, PharmD
>> Staff Pharmacist
>> Parrish Medical center
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346341#346341
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Staff Pharmacist
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