Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-ks
August 27, 2011 - September 18, 2011
Absolutely beautiful pietenpol. Congrats!
-----Original Message-----
| From: | Donald Lane <dslane(at)embarqmail.com> |
Pietenpol N110DL made her first flight yesterday 8/25/11, at Bayboro NC, piloted
by Barry Triplett. He found the airplane to handle well and said it flies like
a Cub. One quick flight this morning and then we had to take off the wings
again and move her to safer ground before Irene gets here. Got everything secured
just before the rain started. Don Lane
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Brace Wire Size |
| From: | John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Ben...
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Ben Charvet wrote:
> I used 3/32, I think that is what the plans call for. Probably saved a
> small insignificant amount of weight that I compensated for by adding a
> Maule tailwheel....
>
> Ben
>
> On 8/26/2011 6:18 PM, John Kuhfahl wrote:
>
> What size tail brace wires are you using? I've seen 1/16th an 1/8th
> inch. Thanks John
>
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> John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
> President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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> --
> Ben Charvet, PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
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John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| From: | Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: first flight |
Congrats Don! N1=0A=0AAA=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: D
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Way to go, Don! You've got a nice looking airplane. Glad the flight went
well, and I hope Irene is kind to you. I was in Florida earlier this week
when Irene blew by and there wasn't much wind or rain, but you're a lot
closer to the eye than I was then. Here is Raleigh, we've had rain and some
20 - 30 knot winds but nothing too bad.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donald Lane
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 11:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: first flight
Pietenpol N110DL made her first flight yesterday 8/25/11, at Bayboro NC,
piloted by Barry Triplett. He found the airplane to handle well and said it
flies like a Cub. One quick flight this morning and then we had to take off
the wings again and move her to safer ground before Irene gets here. Got
everything secured just before the rain started. Don Lane
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| Subject: | Re: first flight |
| From: | Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com> |
Now THAT is a beautiful flying machine! Very well done.
Wayne Bressler
Taildraggers, Inc.
www.taildraggersinc.com
On Aug 26, 2011, at 11:07 PM, "Donald Lane" wrote:
> Pietenpol N110DL made her first flight yesterday 8/25/11, at Bayboro NC, p
iloted by Barry Triplett. He found the airplane to handle well and said it f
lies like a Cub. One quick flight this morning and then we had to take off t
he wings again and move her to safer ground before Irene gets here. Got eve
rything secured just before the rain started. Don Lane
>
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| Subject: | Re: first flight |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Wow Don,
Congratulations, and your airplane is absolutely gorgeous!!! You should be
very proud.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Lane <dslane(at)embarqmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 26, 2011 9:10 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: first flight
Pietenpol N110DL made her first flight yesterday 8/25/11, at Bayboro NC, pi
loted by Barry Triplett. He found the airplane to handle well and said it
flies like a Cub. One quick flight this morning and then we had to take off
the wings again and move her to safer ground before Irene gets here. Got
everything secured just before the rain started. Don Lane
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| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
From: "Donald Lane" <dslane(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: first flight
Pietenpol N110DL made her first flight yesterday 8/25/11, at Bayboro NC,
piloted by Barry Triplett. He found the airplane to handle well and
said it flies like a Cub. One quick flight this morning and then we had
to take off the wings again and move her to safer ground before Irene
gets here. Got everything secured just before the rain started. Don
Lane
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Congratulations, Don! That first flight is a real thrill. Hope you don't
sustain any damage during Irene but it looks like it's landing close to
Morehead City this morning. We were at Emerald Isle earlier this month - can't
imagine what the beach is like there right now. Best of luck.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: first flight |
I've seen only a few Air Campers that, although ALL wonderful and magical in their
own way, REALLY fit my personal idea of a "true" Pietenpol.
For all the reasons Greg C mentioned...and more.
This is one such Pietenpol.
This goes on the wall in my shop.
Jim Markle
Pryor, OK
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Lane
Sent: Aug 26, 2011 10:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: first flight
Pietenpol N110DL made her first flight yesterday
8/25/11, at Bayboro NC, piloted by Barry Triplett. He found the airplane
to handle well and said it flies like a Cub. One quick flight this morning and
then we had to take off the wings again and move her to safer ground before
Irene gets here. Got everything secured just before the rain
started. Don
Lane
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| Subject: | Re: first flight |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
Wow! Very, very nice classic Pietenpol, love the colors ....they all should be
built like that.
... sooooooo, where is the YouTube video?
Congratulations and many more.
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| Subject: | Re: first flight |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Congrats Don & Barry for your very memorable Day 8/15/2011'
You could get great practice with crosswind landings with Irene.
Pieti Lowell
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350760#350760
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| Subject: | Tail Brace Wires--Again |
| From: | John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com> |
I am still not sure what to do with my Tail Brace Wires. My plans show 14
GA. "Hard Wire." and 325 SF Turnbuckle.I heard from a few guys, but anyone
else? At this point I am going to use 1/8 in cable and fittings as that is
what I have been able to procure. A little heavy and draggy, but I like low
and slow. Any more thoughts?
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Tail Brace Wires--Again |
I made my first set out of 3/32" cable and turnbuckles. I didn't like the way tey
looked...too big and clunky. Once I saw tail brace wires made out of 1/16"
cables and turnbuckles, I decided to go that route. Its lighter and much nicer
looking. 1/8" cable as well as 3/32" is overkill. There are many Piets out there
with 1/16" cable flying safely.
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: John Kuhfahl
Sent: 8/27/2011 7:39:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Brace Wires--Again
I am still not sure what to do with my Tail Brace Wires. My plans show 14 GA. "Hard
Wire." and 325 SF Turnbuckle.I heard from a few guys, but anyone else? At
this point I am going to use 1/8 in cable and fittings as that is what I have
been able to procure. A little heavy and draggy, but I like low and slow.
Any more thoughts?
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Brace Wires--Again |
| From: | Hans Van Der Voort <hvandervoo(at)aol.com> |
I have 1/16 cable for tail bracing
Rated for 480 Lbs, figure the wood will break long for the Cable will
Hans
NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 27, 2011 7:38 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Brace Wires--Again
I am still not sure what to do with my Tail Brace Wires. My plans show 14 G
A. "Hard Wire." and 325 SF Turnbuckle.I heard from a few guys, but anyone e
lse? At this point I am going to use 1/8 in cable and fittings as that is
what I have been able to procure. A little heavy and draggy, but I like lo
w and slow. Any more thoughts?
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail Brace Wires--Again |
3/32 cable and -16 turnbuckles work well. Using swaged MS cable fittings
instead of thimbles and Nicopress sleeves will give a nicely finished
look.
14 ga. hard wire has a tensile strength of approximately 700 - 750
pounds.
1/16" cable has a tensile strength of 480 pounds.
As Rick Schreiber mentioned, there are many Piets flying successfully
with 1/16" cable. Keep in mind the tail is constantly being battered
about in the propwash.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: John Kuhfahl
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Brace Wires--Again
I am still not sure what to do with my Tail Brace Wires. My plans show
14 GA. "Hard Wire." and 325 SF Turnbuckle.I heard from a few guys, but
anyone else? At this point I am going to use 1/8 in cable and fittings
as that is what I have been able to procure. A little heavy and draggy,
but I like low and slow. Any more thoughts?
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Brace Wires--Again |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi John - I used 1/8". I had the materials and it was simple. My weight and balance
turned out pretty well.
Different subject: I'll get with you when you guys have your next breakfast. If
there's not one soon I'll get with you offline and arrange a visit sans breakfast.
Kevin
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: first flight |
| From: | Amsafetc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
That's great congratulations
John
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2011, at 11:07 PM, "Donald Lane" wrote:
> Pietenpol N110DL made her first flight yesterday 8/25/11, at Bayboro NC, p
iloted by Barry Triplett. He found the airplane to handle well and said it f
lies like a Cub. One quick flight this morning and then we had to take off t
he wings again and move her to safer ground before Irene gets here. Got eve
rything secured just before the rain started. Don Lane
>
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: first flight |
Don, I have lived in NC all my life except for military time and I never
heard of Bayboro until your post. Congratulations. I'm a few months
behind you. I just finished one wing -- starting on the other. Tail
done, fuselage about 1/2 done, engine (Corvair) just started but I have
most of the parts. Waiting for a 5th bearing. As soon as that gets
installed I can get back to the engine. Hoping to make Brodhead in
2012. Chuck in Winston-Salem.
----- Original Message -----
From: Amsafetc
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first flight
That's great congratulations
John
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2011, at 11:07 PM, "Donald Lane"
wrote:
Pietenpol N110DL made her first flight yesterday 8/25/11, at Bayboro
NC, piloted by Barry Triplett. He found the airplane to handle well and
said it flies like a Cub. One quick flight this morning and then we had
to take off the wings again and move her to safer ground before Irene
gets here. Got everything secured just before the rain started. Don
Lane
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail Brace Wires--Again |
I am using 1/16th cable with swaged on fittings. (still building)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Tail Brace Wires--Again |
The tail brace wires on 41CC are 1/16" stainless. They were
galvanized cable before, and one of them broke. I suspect
corrosion or fretting... the tail does get buffetted constantly
while in flight, and anything at the tail of the airplane
seems to get the dirtiest and oiliest so when I replaced them
I used stainless.
To me, 1/8" cable back there is sheer overkill. 3/32" would be
a good compromise if 1/16" looks too skinny to you.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Windscreen sizing |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Folks,
I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
years about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
windscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the top
edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
the rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
Thanks, Ken
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Windscreen sizing |
Ken,
I think you would want it higher than that, and frankly, I'd make it as tall
as possible without looking "funny". Mine are about 10" tall and I wish I
had made them a couple inches taller. Here is a picture of my installation:
The windshields on John Hofmann's "502 Rocket" are taller, and you can
comfortably fly behind them with no goggles or sunglasses, as shown below:
Hope this helps,
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Folks,
I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
years about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
windscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the top
edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
the rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
Thanks, Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
Hope you get good responses on this. I kinda took the easy route and cut a couple
old motorcycle windshields down to fit my fuselage and guessed at having them
about even with the top of my head. I haven't got many hours on it but it generally
ok as long as I sit directly behind it and I can even fly with a ball
cap on and it stays but you better not raise up any or lean very far to the side.
I had a headset on one day and twisted around just a little for something
and got it in the slipstream and that sucker was gone.no doubt bigger is better.
I have not ridden in the front seat yet or has anyone else.Raymond
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350931#350931
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Jack, this is helpful. My sense, however, is that you are considerably
taller than me. I'm wondering, if you were to use yourself as a metric,
where is the top of your windscreen relative to your facial features?
Again thanks, Ken
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
If possible, I would wait until you can sit in the pilot's seat, with the engine/prop
running, and experiment. Probably won't be a perfect answer but close.
So why not wait on the windscreen design/sizing until after the engine is installed?
Cut some different sizes and hold them up while the prop is producing wind......angle
it, tilt it, resize it....I would think that would get you pretty close....
Jim
Pryor, OK
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Aug 29, 2011 1:52 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
>
>
>Folks,
>
>I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
>years about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
>windscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the top
>edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
>the rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
>the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
>
>Thanks, Ken
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Jim, that's good advice.
Still, at the moment I've got a bit of a window (no pun intended) to
take care of incidentals on the project. Right now, the bottom end of
my engine is at Roy's Garage for installation of a fifth bearing. It
will be awhile before I get that back and can assemble the engine. My
engine mount, axle, and spreader bars are at the paint shop being
powder coated. I was thinking that adding all the doo-dads on the
fuselage would be fun. Otherwise, it is time to reconfigure the
hangar to start assembling the outer two wing panels now that the
ribs, spars, leading and trailing edges are ready to go. Windscreens
seem like a fun, relatively short term project.
I'm still curious about the height relative to a metric based on pilot
size. That seems like a useful data point for everybody.
Cheers, Ken
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Jim Markle wrote:
>
> If possible, I would wait until you can sit in the pilot's seat, with the engine/prop
running, and experiment. Probably won't be a perfect answer but close.
So why not wait on the windscreen design/sizing until after the engine is installed?
>
> Cut some different sizes and hold them up while the prop is producing wind......angle
it, tilt it, resize it....I would think that would get you pretty close....
>
> Jim
> Pryor, OK
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
>>Sent: Aug 29, 2011 1:52 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
>>
>>
>>Folks,
>>
>>I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
>>years about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
>>windscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the top
>>edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
>>the rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
>>the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
>>
>>Thanks, Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
Ken, I have never seen "metric" used as a noun before. The word metric,
according to my dictionary, is an adjective. Would you explain what a
metric is? I will need to decide on the size of a windscreen before too
many more months and would like an explanation of your problem. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Bickers" <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
>
> Jim, that's good advice.
>
> Still, at the moment I've got a bit of a window (no pun intended) to
> take care of incidentals on the project. Right now, the bottom end of
> my engine is at Roy's Garage for installation of a fifth bearing. It
> will be awhile before I get that back and can assemble the engine. My
> engine mount, axle, and spreader bars are at the paint shop being
> powder coated. I was thinking that adding all the doo-dads on the
> fuselage would be fun. Otherwise, it is time to reconfigure the
> hangar to start assembling the outer two wing panels now that the
> ribs, spars, leading and trailing edges are ready to go. Windscreens
> seem like a fun, relatively short term project.
>
> I'm still curious about the height relative to a metric based on pilot
> size. That seems like a useful data point for everybody.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Jim Markle
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> If possible, I would wait until you can sit in the pilot's seat, with the
>> engine/prop running, and experiment. Probably won't be a perfect answer
>> but close. So why not wait on the windscreen design/sizing until after
>> the engine is installed?
>>
>> Cut some different sizes and hold them up while the prop is producing
>> wind......angle it, tilt it, resize it....I would think that would get
>> you pretty close....
>>
>> Jim
>> Pryor, OK
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
>>>Sent: Aug 29, 2011 1:52 PM
>>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
>>>
>>>
>>>Folks,
>>>
>>>I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
>>>years about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
>>>windscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the top
>>>edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
>>>the rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
>>>the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
>>>
>>>Thanks, Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Windscreen sizing |
Keep in mind some of us are taller when we sit down. I may be only 5'11" b
ut I'm 6'3" when I sit down. I like Markle's idea:)
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Date: Mon=2C 29 Aug 2011 14:53:31 -0600
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
> From: bickers.ken(at)gmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Jim=2C that's good advice.
>
> Still=2C at the moment I've got a bit of a window (no pun intended) to
> take care of incidentals on the project. Right now=2C the bottom end of
> my engine is at Roy's Garage for installation of a fifth bearing. It
> will be awhile before I get that back and can assemble the engine. My
> engine mount=2C axle=2C and spreader bars are at the paint shop being
> powder coated. I was thinking that adding all the doo-dads on the
> fuselage would be fun. Otherwise=2C it is time to reconfigure the
> hangar to start assembling the outer two wing panels now that the
> ribs=2C spars=2C leading and trailing edges are ready to go. Windscreens
> seem like a fun=2C relatively short term project.
>
> I'm still curious about the height relative to a metric based on pilot
> size. That seems like a useful data point for everybody.
>
> Cheers=2C Ken
>
> On Mon=2C Aug 29=2C 2011 at 2:37 PM=2C Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.
com> wrote:
.com>
> >
> > If possible=2C I would wait until you can sit in the pilot's seat=2C wi
th the engine/prop running=2C and experiment. Probably won't be a perfect
answer but close. So why not wait on the windscreen design/sizing until af
ter the engine is installed?
> >
> > Cut some different sizes and hold them up while the prop is producing w
ind......angle it=2C tilt it=2C resize it....I would think that would get y
ou pretty close....
> >
> > Jim
> > Pryor=2C OK
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >>From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
> >>Sent: Aug 29=2C 2011 1:52 PM
> >>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
> >>
m>
> >>
> >>Folks=2C
> >>
> >>I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
> >>years about windscreens=2C but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
> >>windscreens. On the motorcycle forums=2C I found mentions that the top
> >>edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
> >>the rider's nose. Any thoughts=2C especially positive experiences=2C o
n
> >>the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
> >>
> >>Thanks=2C Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Waldo did not need much, but, as Raymond commented earlier, he wasn't wearing a
headset to be blown off. I am very early in the building process, but the "more
is better" suggestion sounds good to me. I am glad you asked the question,
Ken.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Chuck,
metric/metrik/
1. Adjective: Of or based on the meter as a unit of length; relating to the metric
system.
2. Noun: A system or standard of measurement.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Windscreen sizing |
Ken,
The top of my windscreen is above my eyes, but below the top of my head, as
shown below:
If I had it to do over again, I would make the top of the windscreen even
with or slightly above the top of my head, as John Hofmann's N502R has it in
the picture below:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
The windshields on John Hofmann's "502 Rocket" are taller, and you can
comfortably fly behind them with no goggles or sunglasses, as shown below:
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
| From: | Hans Van Der Voort <hvandervoo(at)aol.com> |
Ken,
The motor cycle "metric" does not work on the Pietenpol.
As the air can not be deflected upwards, bottom of wing prevents that.
I tried that at first and now use a wind shield taller inches above "eyebro
w" level.
As stated by others taller windshield is better.
Hans
NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2011 1:55 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
Folks,
I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
ears about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
indscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the top
dge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
he rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
he optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
Thanks, Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Brace Wires--Again |
| From: | John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com> |
No turnbuckles? John
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> I am using 1/16th cable with swaged on fittings. (still building)
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
ask any motercycle driver and he will tell you what to do.
----- Original Message ----
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, August 29, 2011 2:52:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
Folks,
I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
years about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
windscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the top
edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
the rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
Thanks, Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
That's right about where I had the windscreen on my motorcycle, because
that way you are actually looking over it rather than through it. You
have to remember on a motorcycle you don't have a wing 6 inches over
your head funneling the wind back down at you. The taller you can make
it the more comfortable you will be, and the better you will be able to
hear your radio. On a motorcycle the wind keeps going up over your
head, but I doubt that would work for your airplane. I would guess that
my windscreens are probably even or a little bit over the top of my
head. they are a very simple piece of plexiglass attached with 5
aluminum tabs. I had to replace the front one, because somebody got
into it getting in or out, but the pilot's windscreen is still doing
well after 90 hours. It only costs about $10 to replace one, and it
only takes an hour or so to make and install a new one.
Ben Charvet
On 8/29/2011 2:52 PM, Ken Bickers wrote:
> On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the top
> edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
> the rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
> the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
>
> Thanks, Ken
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Terry has the noun just right.
Notice, however, that body parts are often used as metrics. Some examples:
Hand (sorry Terry) is the metric for measuring horses.
Nose is a metric often used by seamstresses for measuring lengths of
thread or twine.
Foot is a metric for measuring length.
Even the statute mile is apparently based on the human body. My
understanding is that the statute mile originally was the average
distance covered by a Roman legion marching 1000 strides (counting
both a left and a right stride as a single stride).
So a metric for optimal windscreen height based on, say, a half
forehead or midway to a nose bridge, would give us a height that would
allow for a windscreen that is tall enough for a particular pilot in a
particular fuselage. Beyond whatever that point is, the windscreen
would begin to edge into a range that might , as Jack says, "look
funny" but without appreciable benefits.
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:24 PM, jarheadpilot82
wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>
> metric/metrik/
>
> 1. Adjective: Of or based on the meter as a unit of length; relating to the metric
system.
>
> 2. Noun: A system or standard of measurement.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350948#350948
>
>
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | local evening flying etc |
Well I got Dad out here this- afternoon to fly his piet, he flew for a co
uple hrs or so.- Tonight I got to fly for the last 30 min of daylight, sh
ooting landings, and chasing a Champ around the pattern.-Last-week was
the 1st I had flown since getting back from Brodhead. I-found a-few loo
se bolts on the flywheel upon returning from Brodhead, no wonder Kurt Shipm
an's engine was so much smoother, put some new bolts in the fly wheel, and
some lock-tight on the nuts, and now she is running smooooooothe again.-
I thought is seemed to have a little vibration on the Brodhead trip, but th
ought it might be the prop tape or just my imagination as I had only flown
a couple hrs here and there in the past year.- The 6 AN3 bolts that hold
the flywheel assembly togeather loosened up after all the paint peeled off
the spacer I made 2 years ago.......anyways she runs a lot smoother now and
- she is running great.- Hope those of you on the "Right" Coast are rid
ing
out the storm ok, and not getting your property scattered all about.-
-
-
Hope to see a few of You at either the Taildragger Fly-in at Red Stewart Ai
rport next weekend, or at The Mid Eastern Regional Fly-in at Grimes field t
he 10-11th.
-
Shad
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
Ken
My windscreen is actually 19" tall, that leaves it about 3" from the top
to the bottom of the wing center section. I feel the need for it to be
that that because I fly in the winter and that shields my face from the
Wicsonsin air in the winter. I fly at about 20 degrees or higher. I
have had a winscreen that was 12" high in the past and I dont feel any
difference in the rudder.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Bickers
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
Jack, this is helpful. My sense, however, is that you are considerably
taller than me. I'm wondering, if you were to use yourself as a metric,
where is the top of your windscreen relative to your facial features?
Again thanks, Ken
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Jack Phillips
wrote:
Ken,
I think you would want it higher than that, and frankly, I'd make it
as tall as possible without looking "funny". Mine are about 10" tall
and I wish I had made them a couple inches taller. Here is a picture of
my installation:
The windshields on John Hofmann=92s =93502 Rocket=94 are taller, and
you can comfortably fly behind them with no goggles or sunglasses, as
shown below:
Hope this helps,
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Folks,
I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
years about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
windscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the
top
edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge
of
the rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
Thanks, Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Speaking of local evening flying... |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
I just gotta tell ya...some of these evenings we've had lately have been just beautiful.
I've been trying to get up and enjoy them as much as possible. A couple
of nights ago I did a "candy drop" at a football field for my daughters'
football team that they cheer for. It was meet the team night. We taped 10"
long crepe paper streamers to about 600 pieces of candy. I had a bombardier
(another dad) go along with me and we poured all of that candy into one box that
barely fit into the front cockpit with him. We talked to the Police Chief
in town and he was fine with it. They even had an officer there to block off
the street for our bad aim ( a few pieces did end up on the street). It was an
absolute blast to watch the players and cheerleaders and all the other little
kids run for all that candy as I circled back around! Piet flying doesn't get
much better than that!
Only in America and only in a Piet!!!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Windshield height |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
"Wimmins be thinkin=99 too much=9D Words of wisdom. So ve
ry true.
This windshield works perfectly. Not there to measure it. Scale the photo?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | its oficial and it sux |
Got the word today its official come September 30 2011 I am unemployed. So
if anyone knows of a company, job site, freelance or consulting opportunity
having a need for a seasoned Safety Director I would appreciate your
sending them my way or pointing me in their direction.
In advance, thanks
John
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | its oficial and it sux |
Really sorry to here about the job loss. Best of luck in the job search.
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 8/29/2011 10:19:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: its oficial and it sux
Got the word today its official come September 30 2011 I am unemployed.. So if
anyone knows of a company, job site, freelance or consulting opportunity having
a need for a seasoned Safety Director I would appreciate your sending them my
way or pointing me in their direction.
In advance, thanks
John
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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| From: | "Kenneth M. Heide" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: its oficial and it sux |
John,
Please send your information to this address: hedmunds(at)aol.com
My girlfriend may be able to secure you a position.
Kmheide
KMH Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 29, 2011, at 11:15 PM, AMsafetyC(at)aol.com wrote:
> Got the word today its official come September 30 2011 I am unemployed. So
if anyone knows of a company, job site, freelance or consulting opportunity
having a need for a seasoned Safety Director I would appreciate your sendin
g them my way or pointing me in their direction.
>
> In advance, thanks
>
> John
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
These are barely adequate.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Greg%20and%20Dale/images/DSCF0067.JPG
They look good but I get enough turbulence vibrating my goggles that
sometimes it is difficult to read the names on the watertowers.
The top of the windscreen is approximately forehead high on me. I have about
1 - 2 inches of lateral head movement before I start to feel significant
wind buffetting.
Greg Cardinal
>
> Folks,
>
> I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the
> years about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing of
> windscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the top
> edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of
> the rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on
> the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?
>
> Thanks, Ken
>
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| From: | "Donald Lane" <dslane(at)embarqmail.com> |
Here is the link to N110DL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E71g17X1fSU
Don Lane
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail Brace Wires--Again |
The hard wire way is also TB free.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Mon, 8/29/11, John Kuhfahl wrote:
> From: John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail Brace Wires--Again
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 7:42 PM
> No turnbuckles? John
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011
> at 8:36 AM, Michael Perez
> wrote:
>
> I am using 1/16th cable with swaged on
> fittings. (still building)
>
> Michael Perez
>
> Karetaker Aero
>
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
>
>
> "
> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
> --
> John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
> President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: first flight |
Donald! That was great! Thanks for sharing.
Wonder why you had someone on each strut walking the plane out to the field....maybe
they were just walking along (?) but it really looked like they had a specific
role in the process. If so, what is their role at that point?
Very cool video.
Jim
Pryor, OK
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Lane
Sent: Aug 30, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: first flight
Here is the link to N110DL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E71g17X1fSU
Don Lane
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| Subject: | Re: Windshield height |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Let's see... Dan is 1'7" so that windscreen mus be about 17'4".
helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Scale the photo?
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Brace Wires--Again |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Dave all the cable swagers I have seen were a hydraulic device either hand pumped
or electric.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
No reserve...No smoke :-)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160644743568&s
sPageName=ADME:B:SS:MOTORS:1123
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Brace Wires--Again |
| From: | John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com> |
I have a poor-mans swager-got it from aircraft spruce. Be sure to get the
go-no-go guage as well. If you did a good swage that guage will tell you.
All for $20-30 when I bought it. John
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Jerry Dotson wrote:
> jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
>
> Dave all the cable swagers I have seen were a hydraulic device either hand
> pumped or electric.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> now covering
> 21" wheels
> Lycoming O-235
> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351042#351042
>
>
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Brace Wires--Again |
| From: | mark lee <mlmarkelee7(at)gmail.com> |
Yes there are good less expensive tools. Some work well and you don't need
to spend a fortune. They aren't for mass production and are slower to use.
But be sure to get the go no go gauge. I used to make my own cables for hang
gliding and have been able to make nice cables. The EAA has a good video on
the subject that you can see for free on their site. The tool that they use
isn't cheap but it's high quality and he shows how to use it and the go no
go gauge properly. I think most people are pleasantly surprised at how easy
this is to do well.
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:23 PM, John Kuhfahl wrote:
> I have a poor-mans swager-got it from aircraft spruce. Be sure to get the
> go-no-go guage as well. If you did a good swage that guage will tell you.
> All for $20-30 when I bought it. John
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Jerry Dotson wrote:
>
>> jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
>>
>> Dave all the cable swagers I have seen were a hydraulic device either hand
>> pumped or electric.
>>
>> --------
>> Jerry Dotson
>> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
>> Baker, FL 32531
>>
>> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
>> now covering
>> 21" wheels
>> Lycoming O-235
>> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351042#351042
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
> --
> John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
> President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
>
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>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windshield height |
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| From: | "Bob edson" <robertse(at)centurytel.net> |
We have our piet assembled for precover inspection on Thursday and
stuart systems is coming Saturday,Sunday and Monday to demonstrate their
covering system. I am installing the pitot tube and (question) do I need
the static tube in the open cockpit installation? Bob I'll try to
attach some photos.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: first flight |
This vid has been blocked here for music copyrite
infringement from The Orchard Music and EMI.
clif
http://www..youtube.com/watch?v=E71g17X1fSU
Don Lane
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Interesting that you bring that up, Clif..I wanted to say that, although I
enjoyed the clip (before being blocked), the music of that engine was
drowned out.and I really missed that. Anyhow.Well Done, Don!!
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first flight
This vid has been blocked here for music copyrite
infringement from The Orchard Music and EMI.
clif
http://www..youtube.com/watch?v=E71g17X1fSU
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Brace Wires--Again |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
I think that Dave Aldrich was referring to the type fitting shown in this picture.
The swagers you guys are talking about is for Nicopress sleeves made from
copper or aluminum. It takes serious pressure to swage that stainless MS fitting.
Correct me if I am wrong.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351069#351069
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/ms212160_896.jpg
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
What a Beauty! There was a discussion on this list a few weeks ago about
static ports. Think the general consensus was that either way is fine.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob edson
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 9:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: pitot tube
We have our piet assembled for precover inspection on Thursday and stuart
systems is coming Saturday,Sunday and Monday to demonstrate their covering
system. I am installing the pitot tube and (question) do I need the static
tube in the open cockpit installation? Bob I'll try to attach some
photos.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Donald Lane" <dslane(at)embarqmail.com> |
The wing walkers were there for safety, as I have no brakes and there is
a big ditch either side of the taxiway. I am the one on the left wing,
Barry Triplett is the pilot.
Don
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
There are two basic types of "swaged" fittings. One is typically done at
home and is called a "nicopress" sleeve, this it he most common and is
covered in Bingiles' books extensively. They're easy to do and strong, but
they look a bit clunky compared to the other type.
The other type is a true swaged fitting and utilizes a stainless fitting
that is swaged on by an expensive tool that usually only owned by companies
such as marine, aircraft or some EAA chapters. This type is strong and very
professional. If you want to go this route, you can have Aircraft spruce
swage the fittings you purchase onto your cables for not much money, or find
a marine shop who can do it like Greg did.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
Thanks Don,
I'm also using a Model A and it's exciting to find out you need a couple extra
people to hold that beast back!!!
Well, we can dream, right? But it does seem to really climb nicely. Maybe it's
the perspective of the camera but it was neat watching it climb after take off.
Maybe you could (if you haven't already) give us an idea of what went into
the engine. I think it's great information but if you prefer, and have the
time, a summary of the engine specs would sure be appreciated. Or if you've already
done that and I can look it up myself, let me know where.
So having someone there for safety is something I never even thought about and
that is a great idea.
Now would you PLEASE take the music off that YouTube video so we can go back to
watching it?!?!?!
Again, congrats! Very exciting/motivating....
Jim
Pryor, OK
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Lane
Sent: Aug 31, 2011 7:17 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: first flight
The wing walkers were there for safety, as I have
no brakes and there is a big ditch either side of the taxiway. I am the
one on the left wing, Barry Triplett is the pilot.
Don
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Congratulations Don!!
She climbs like a homesick angel, very impressive!!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: first flight |
| From: | Amsafetc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
Great job on the Piet and the video production and the background music was r
eally good
Thanks for making it available
John
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 30, 2011, at 1:02 PM, "Donald Lane" wrote:
> Here is the link to N110DL
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E71g17X1fSU
>
> Don Lane
>
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail Brace Wires--Again |
Crew, here is a picture of the swage on fittings I used. Also, the other picture
represents the swager I have. It is a very expensive unit, but does include
all dies for the various cable size end fittings as well as dies for the various
sizes of single and double shank ball fittings. Go/No Go gauge and tools included.
If interested in having these types of fittings installed, email me directly.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
I raised the height of my windscreens about 3" on N8031 after flying with th
e originals somewhere between my nose and forehead for the first 20+ hours. T
he tops are about 18" above the top longeron.
However, I've been getting some low frequency, high amplitude (loud!) harmon
ic buffeting in my ears and I'm almost convinced it's because the front wind
screen is TOO high, pushing so much air up which bounces off the center sect
ion and back into the rear 'pit. I'd also like to create a higher rake to t
he front windscreen, like on all the biplanes of the '20's and '30's, but I'
m not sure I'll be able to accomplish that.
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 29, 2011, at 6:20 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote:
> Ken,
>
> The top of my windscreen is above my eyes, but below the top of my head, a
s shown below:
>
>
>
> If I had it to do over again, I would make the top of the windscreen even w
ith or slightly above the top of my head, as John Hofmann=99s N502R ha
s it in the picture below:
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> The windshields on John Hofmann=99s =9C502 Rocket=9D are
taller, and you can comfortably fly behind them with no goggles or sunglass
es, as shown below:
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Dan, how much clearance would you estimate you now have between the
top edge of your windscreen and the bottom of the wing? I'm curious
if others with tall windscreens have also gotten the harmonic
buffeting that you are describing. Cheers, Ken
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:23 PM, wrote:
> "...but I'm not sure I'll be able to accomplish that..."
>
> What do you mean by that, Dan? Is not possible...or, do you need help? If
> it's the latter, I'm willing.
>
> Gary
>
> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
>
> ________________________________
> From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 16:05:51 -0400
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
> I raised the height of my windscreens a= bout 3" on N8031 after flying with
> the originals somewhere between my nose a= nd forehead for the first 20+
> hours. The tops are about 18" above the top lo= ngeron.
> However, I've been getting some low f= requency, high amplitude (loud!)
> harmonic buffeting in my ears and I'm almos= t convinced it's because the
> front windscreen is TOO high, pushing so much a= ir up which bounces off the
> center section and back into the rear 'pit. &nbs= p;I'd also like to create
> a higher rake to the front windscreen, like on all= the biplanes of the
> '20's and '30's, but I'm not sure I'll be able to accom= plish that.
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> yocum137(at)gmail.com
> "I fly because it relea= ses my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
> On Aug 29= , 2011, at 6:20 PM, "Jack Phillips"
> wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
>
> The top of my windscreen is above my ey= es, but below the top of my head,
> as shown below:
>
>
> <= /font>
>
>
> If I had it to do over again, I would m= ake the top of the windscreen even
> with or slightly above the top of my head, as= John Hofmann=99s N502R
> has it in the picture below:<= /font>
>
>
> Jack Phillips<= /p>
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
> The windshields on John Hofmann=99s =9C502 Rocket=9D are
> talle= r, and you can comfortably fly behind them with no goggles or
> sunglasses, as shown below:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
List,
I'm 'on the road.' Does someone have a top view drawing they could send to me?
Gary
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Thanks, Curt!!
From: Curtis Merdan [mailto:curtdm(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:05 PM
Subject: top view
I'm only inside on the computer because it's still hot outside.
Curt
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Windshield height |
Ken;
In my opinion, Corky made the windscreens on 41CC just about the
perfect height. They could be maybe just a whisker taller, but
certainly no shorter or narrower. There are ample pix of the airplane out
there, but if you want to get an idea of proportion (Ken, I know you've
seen them in person, but still...), check here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html
Scout is set up just about the same as Ernie Moreno's Piet, as you
can see from the 5th image down here, which shows this perfectly:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/piets.html
Also see the 8th and 9th images on that page.
When it's warm, about all that happens when you leave the lee of
the windshield is that you get buffeted. When it's cold, it
is really an icy blast when you lean your head to one side or
the other or peer over the top. This kind of maneuver is essential
when you're S-turning during taxi, when you're slipping to a landing,
when you're in the flare during landing, when you're looking for
traffic, etc.- and I will echo what others have said: a little bit
taller and wider is better. In my case (I wear contact lenses) when
I get in a strong wind my contacts dry out and diminish the clarity
of my vision, so it's all around better for me to stay out of the
direct slipstream.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Windshield height |
Hi from England!
Another area with icy blasts!
I have attached a image of my old Corben windshield. I constructed it
using the guidance of a member of this forum.
Very pleased and I felt it looked good. It did not shelter me nearly
good enough so I have added 3 extra panels around it using thin
brackets.
It's all in 4mm Lexan. It's a bit of a dogs dinner but works and retains
the general framed style I like.
No googles needed until real winter and my R/T transmission are returned
as 5's and very clear.
Just an idea for those with framed windshields.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
gholland@content-stream.co.uk
+44 (0)7808 402404
White Ox Mead, Bath. England
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | FW: [CorvAIRCRAFT] Pietenpol |
Homebuilders in the news:
http://www.nwherald.com/2011/08/23/passion-for-flight-leads-to-increase-in-
do-it-yourself-plane-builders/arin87r/
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
"Thanks for the offer, Gary! It's definitely just a matter of time and not h
aving enough of it." Dan said as he sipped beer on the beach watching his ch
ildren burying his feet in the sand.
;-)
The other problem is that to put a lower angle would require moving the brac
kets which means I'd have to fill the holes, find the right paint to match, b
uy a hvlp spray gun and learn how to use that, etc. etc. Nah, I'll just put
the original, smaller screen on the front pit and see how that goes.
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 31, 2011, at 4:23 PM, gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> "...but I'm not sure I'll be able to accomplish that..."
>
> What do you mean by that, Dan? Is not possible...or, do you need help? If i
t's the latter, I'm willing.
>
> Gary=C2=AC-
> Sent on the Sprint=C2=AC=C3=86 Now Network from my BlackBerry=C2=AC=C3=86
>
> From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 16:05:51 -0400
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
>
> I raised the height of my windscreens a= bout 3" on N8031 after flying w
ith the originals somewhere between my nose a= nd forehead for the first 2
0+ hours. The tops are about 18" above the top lo= ngeron.
>
> However, I've been getting some low f= requency, high amplitude (loud!) h
armonic buffeting in my ears and I'm almos= t convinced it's because the f
ront windscreen is TOO high, pushing so much a= ir up which bounces off th
e center section and back into the rear 'pit. &nbs= p;I'd also like to cre
ate a higher rake to the front windscreen, like on all= the biplanes of th
e '20's and '30's, but I'm not sure I'll be able to accom= plish that.
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> yocum137(at)gmail.com
> "I fly because it relea= ses my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
> On Aug 29= , 2011, at 6:20 PM, "Jack Phillips" w
rote:
>
> Ken,
>
>
>
> The top of my windscreen is above my ey= es, but below the top of my hea
d, as shown below:
>
>
>
> <= /font>
>
>
>
> If I had it to do over again, I would m= ake the top of the windscreen e
ven with or slightly above the top of my head, as= John Hofmann=
99s N502R has it in the picture below:<= /font>
>
>
>
> Jack Phillips<= /p>
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
>
> The windshields on John Hofmann=99s =9C502 Rocket=
E2=9D are talle= r, and you can comfortably fly behind them with no
goggles or sunglasses, as shown below:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Windscreen sizing |
Ken,
It's hard to say how much clearance I have, and I'm currently not near N8031. I
did find some before and after photos of the front windscreen and you should
be able to take WAG at the clearance yourself. They're in my N8031 photo gallery
on Picasa:
https://picasaweb.google.com/m/viewer?fgl=true&pli=1#album/yocum137/5596558873691375105
The cabane is 21"3/8 if I recall correctly so that'll give you a reference point
(I could be wrong on that value).
Cheers,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 31, 2011, at 5:50 PM, Ken Bickers wrote:
>
> Dan, how much clearance would you estimate you now have between the
> top edge of your windscreen and the bottom of the wing? I'm curious
> if others with tall windscreens have also gotten the harmonic
> buffeting that you are describing. Cheers, Ken
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:23 PM, wrote:
>> "...but I'm not sure I'll be able to accomplish that..."
>>
>> What do you mean by that, Dan? Is not possible...or, do you need help? If
>> it's the latter, I'm willing.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
>> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 16:05:51 -0400
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
>> I raised the height of my windscreens a= bout 3" on N8031 after flying with
>> the originals somewhere between my nose a= nd forehead for the first 20+
>> hours. The tops are about 18" above the top lo= ngeron.
>> However, I've been getting some low f= requency, high amplitude (loud!)
>> harmonic buffeting in my ears and I'm almos= t convinced it's because the
>> front windscreen is TOO high, pushing so much a= ir up which bounces off the
>> center section and back into the rear 'pit. &nbs= p;I'd also like to create
>> a higher rake to the front windscreen, like on all= the biplanes of the
>> '20's and '30's, but I'm not sure I'll be able to accom= plish that.
>>
>> --
>> Dan Yocum
>> yocum137(at)gmail.com
>> "I fly because it relea= ses my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>> On Aug 29= , 2011, at 6:20 PM, "Jack Phillips"
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>>
>>
>> The top of my windscreen is above my ey= es, but below the top of my head,
>> as shown below:
>>
>>
>>
>> <= /font>
>>
>>
>>
>> If I had it to do over again, I would m= ake the top of the windscreen even
>> with or slightly above the top of my head, as= John Hofmann=99s N502R
>> has it in the picture below:<= /font>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jack Phillips<= /p>
>>
>> NX899JP
>>
>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>>
>>
>>
>> The windshields on John Hofmann=99s =9C502 Rocket=9D are
>> talle= r, and you can comfortably fly behind them with no goggles or
>> sunglasses, as shown below:
>>
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| From: | "Bob edson" <robertse(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | pre-cover inspection |
We had a good visit with the DAR and everything was good. We had to
change two bolts and he suggested we replace the bungees on the elevator
trim with springs because the bungees will rot. that is done and we
start covering saturday. Niel is an excellent gentleman,a great DAR. All
is good. Bob
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Bill Rewey inducted into Wisconsin Aviation Hall of Fame |
Saw this on the EAA Newsletter. Congrats to a deserving Bill Rewey!
http://www.eaa.org/news/2011/2011-09-01_WAHOF.asp
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Bill Rewey inducted into Wisconsin Aviation Hall of Fame |
That's neat. And the picture was taken at the pavilion at Brodhead...very appropriate!
Pretty cool.
Jim
Pryor, OK
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Sep 2, 2011 7:46 AM
>To: Pietenpol list
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bill Rewey inducted into Wisconsin Aviation Hall of Fame
>
>
>Saw this on the EAA Newsletter. Congrats to a deserving Bill Rewey!
>http://www.eaa.org/news/2011/2011-09-01_WAHOF.asp
>
>--
>Ben Charvet, PharmD
>Staff Pharmacist
>Parrish Medical center
>
>
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: pre-cover inspection |
Beautiful job. Isn't a shame that all that beautiful woodworking gets
covered up?
Ben
On 9/1/2011 10:30 PM, Bob edson wrote:
> We had a good visit with the DAR and everything was good. We had to
> change two bolts and he suggested we replace the bungees on the
> elevator trim with springs because the bungees will rot. that is done
> and we start covering saturday. Niel is an excellent gentleman,a great
> DAR. All is good. Bob
-
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| Subject: | Re: pre-cover inspection |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Yeah, what Ben said... that is a beeeeauty!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Bill Rewey inducted into Wisconsin Aviation Hall of |
Fame
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Yep, pretty cool. Way to go Bill!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Bill Rewey inducted into Wisconsin Aviation Hall of |
Fame
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
How Neat!
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| Subject: | Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hello Good People,
I was just informed, by one of the more distinguished members of our group,
that ACS is out-of-stock of this highly-popular informative essay. Can't i
magine why, but FYI this book can now be down-loaded as an e-book from Airc
raft Technical Book Co. http://www.actechbooks.com/products/act615/
Good project for the upcoming winter months. :O)
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| From: | "jim" <quinnj(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Straight axle dimensions |
I'm about to order metal for the straight axle and spreader bars. I know
the ODs are 1.5 and .75 inches, but what is the wall thickness?
Thanks,
Jim
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Straight axle dimensions |
Per the Hoopman plans:
Spreader bars - 3/4" X .035
Axle - 1 1/2 X .109
Some people increase the axle to .120
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: jim
To: Piet list
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 6:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight axle dimensions
I'm about to order metal for the straight axle and spreader bars. I
know the ODs are 1.5 and .75 inches, but what is the wall thickness?
Thanks,
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Straight axle dimensions |
| From: | "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au> |
Hi Jim
When I was at that stage it was recommended to me by others on the list to use
the heavy gauge I went with 3mm I think about .125 but I will have a look tonight
to make sure if no one else has chimed in.
Carson
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| From: | "jim" <quinnj(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Straight axle dimensions |
Thanks Greg!
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Cardinal
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight axle dimensions
Per the Hoopman plans:
Spreader bars - 3/4" X .035
Axle - 1 1/2 X .109
Some people increase the axle to .120
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: jim
To: Piet list
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 6:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight axle dimensions
I'm about to order metal for the straight axle and spreader bars. I
know the ODs are 1.5 and .75 inches, but what is the wall thickness?
Thanks,
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
i recommend it..
this is the result of buying this easy to follow set of instructions
jeff
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351374#351374
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method |
Buy the CD, make a prop, get a wife?!?? Thanks, I'll pass. I've already got one
of those!
That's beautiful. And the prop's not bad, either! Great job!
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Sep 4, 2011, at 9:05 AM, "bender" wrote:
>
> i recommend it..
> this is the result of buying this easy to follow set of instructions
>
> jeff
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351374#351374
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/propwife_402.jpg
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
I bought the CD, and lost a wife. So that logic does not compute. ;-)
On Sep 4, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
> Buy the CD, make a prop, get a wife?!?? Thanks, I'll pass. I've already got
one of those!
>
> That's beautiful. And the prop's not bad, either! Great job!
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> yocum137(at)gmail.com
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
> On Sep 4, 2011, at 9:05 AM, "bender" wrote:
>
>>
>> i recommend it..
>> this is the result of buying this easy to follow set of instructions
>>
>> jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351374#351374
>>
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>>
>> Attachments:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/propwife_402.jpg
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| From: | "aussiegeorge" <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi all,
I just received my first batch of fittings. I got enough for six airplanes and
a bit. If it's worth doing it is worth overdoing! Because of laser minimums it
was easier to cut out extra. I usually drop fold mutilate most things as a matter
of course.
The .032 stuff will form on a block of wood with a dead blow hammer. In the overdoing
tradition I built an english wheel out of some scraps and an electric
motor. It works really well for fine tuning the shape. I even painted it. Paint
makes them think that you care.
Let me see if I can figure out how to attach some photos.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351441#351441
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/elevator_horn_on_block_158.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/032_fittings_223.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: metal fittings |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
I'll buy a set if you have extras....!
Contact me offline if you would like to discuss....
flight.jake(at)gmail.com
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Straight axle dimensions |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
Increase the wall thickness to no less then 1/8" (.125"). Axel will bend over time
if less then that.
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| Subject: | Re: metal fittings |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I will tag along with Jake's comment. If you would be interested in selling a set,
please contact me off-line.
jarheadpilot82 (at) gmail (dot) com
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351463#351463
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| Subject: | Re: Straight axle dimensions |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
I made mine from 0.188 wall. May be overkill but those not so perfect landings
that I make a lot of maybe won't bend it.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop
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| Subject: | World's Smallest Airport |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I thought that everyone might enjoy seeing some Athens, GA, local aviation history.
My EAA Chapter president told me about this link, and I thought that I would
pass it on.
In short, back in the late 1940's, three brothers came back from the war and had
their own flying circus. This video is a movie trailer for an upcoming documentary
being filmed about the Thrasher Brothers Aerial Circus. The other link
is an article written by the son of one of the Thrasher Brothers that expands
the story a little bit. It is a view of a time when people were thrilled by the
aerial exploits of these pilots, but before the spit and polish glitzy air shows
of today. Not quite the Dilhoefer Flying Circus, but still fun to see.
Just a fun bit of history, and I also thought that everyone would enjoy seeing
the twin ercoupe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R_76LHkU6I
http://flagpole.com/Weekly/slackpole/TheWorldsSmallestAirport-29Dec10
http://ercoupe.com/story_4.php
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: World's Smallest Airport |
Terry, are you going to Triple Tree next weekend? If so I will see you there. I
will be in my silver grey Cessna 140. I liked your klip on the worlds smallest
airport. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
--- On Mon, 9/5/11, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: World's Smallest Airport
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 3:51 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "jarheadpilot82"
>
> I thought that everyone might enjoy seeing some Athens, GA,
> local aviation history. My EAA Chapter president told me
> about this link, and I thought that I would pass it on.
>
> In short, back in the late 1940's, three brothers came back
> from the war and had their own flying circus. This video is
> a movie trailer for an upcoming documentary being filmed
> about the Thrasher Brothers Aerial Circus. The other link is
> an article written by the son of one of the Thrasher
> Brothers that expands the story a little bit. It is a view
> of a time when people were thrilled by the aerial exploits
> of these pilots, but before the spit and polish glitzy air
> shows of today. Not quite the Dilhoefer Flying Circus, but
> still fun to see.
>
> Just a fun bit of history, and I also thought that everyone
> would enjoy seeing the twin ercoupe.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R_76LHkU6I
>
> http://flagpole.com/Weekly/slackpole/TheWorldsSmallestAirport-29Dec10
>
> http://ercoupe.com/story_4.php
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | Re: World's Smallest Airport |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Gardiner,
Unfortunately I will be working/flying next weekend. But I will email you off-line
with the names of a couple of my friends that you should look up. They are
great guys.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| From: | George Abernathy <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: metal fittings |
Dear Terry,=0A=0AAlong with your mailing address I need your phone number
=0A=0AThanks=0A=0AGeorge=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom
: jarheadpilot82 =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronic
s.com=0ASent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 12:32 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List
ot82" =0A=0AI will tag along with Jake's commen
t. If you would be interested in selling a set, please contact me off-line.
=0A=0Ajarheadpilot82 (at) gmail (dot) com=0A=0A--------=0ASemper Fi,=0A=0AT
erry Hand=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.mat
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method |
Jeff;
With only four bolt holes in the prop hub, I take it you're
putting that prop on a Ford 'A'?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Push pull set-up |
-Members:
I have set-up my push pull tubes with aircraft grade tie rod ends on the be
ll crank and support swing arm behind the seat. The measured throw of the s
tick is 20 degrees in either direction. Since I do not have my tail section
in place ( working on making original hinges) not sure what that equates t
o in inches of movement ( other than stick movement fore and aft of 3.25 in
ches from neutral position. Question - -am I in the ball park for elevato
r throw? What is the acceptable movement of the stick throw? Any constructi
ve advice much appreciated. See photos (all connection professionally welde
d).
-KMHeide
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| Subject: | Re: World's Smallest Airport |
| From: | Wizzard187 <wizzard187(at)aol.com> |
You got look at this.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Mon, Sep 5, 2011 2:54 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: World's Smallest Airport
ail.com>
I thought that everyone might enjoy seeing some Athens, GA, local aviation
istory. My EAA Chapter president told me about this link, and I thought tha
t I
ould pass it on.
In short, back in the late 1940's, three brothers came back from the war an
d had
heir own flying circus. This video is a movie trailer for an upcoming
ocumentary being filmed about the Thrasher Brothers Aerial Circus. The othe
r
ink is an article written by the son of one of the Thrasher Brothers that
xpands the story a little bit. It is a view of a time when people were thri
lled
y the aerial exploits of these pilots, but before the spit and polish glitz
y
ir shows of today. Not quite the Dilhoefer Flying Circus, but still fun to
see.
Just a fun bit of history, and I also thought that everyone would enjoy see
ing
he twin ercoupe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R_76LHkU6I
http://flagpole.com/Weekly/slackpole/TheWorldsSmallestAirport-29Dec10
http://ercoupe.com/story_4.php
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Push pull set-up |
Ken I believe you are close. Preliminary rigging gives 19 degrees forward
and rear throw of the stick. This gives me 30 degrees up and 25 degrees
down elevator travel. All my controls are per plans with the exception of
my bellcrank. It is Ken Perkins design which is the same size but allows
less slack in the rear control cables.
Jack
DSM
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Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:16 AM
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Members:
I have set-up my push pull tubes with aircraft grade tie rod ends on the
bell crank and support swing arm behind the seat. The measured throw of the
stick is 20 degrees in either direction. Since I do not have my tail section
in place ( working on making original hinges) not sure what that equates to
in inches of movement ( other than stick movement fore and aft of 3.25
inches from neutral position. Question - am I in the ball park for elevator
throw? What is the acceptable movement of the stick throw? Any constructive
advice much appreciated. See photos (all connection professionally welded).
KMHeide
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| Subject: | Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
You got it Oscar...
its a 76x42...
here it is installed
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Wouldn't have done it without your help Dan..
i've read lots of stuff about carving and didn't quite get it till i got The All-Power
Tool Method... and i'm not being paid to say it
i have friend that want me to carve wall hangers now...
depending on how this one works on the piet i may make spares or other shapes
and pitches
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| From: | Dan Gaston <design(at)aerocorpinc.com> |
| Subject: | GN-1 PROJECT FOR SALE |
I have a GN-1 project for sale. Complete rib set built, tail feathers
built fuselage sides built. All wood necessary to complete, including
spars. All wood came from Aircraft Spruce. Laser cut 4130 fittings.
Continental A-65-8 with carb, mags,hub, logs on engine stand. For
details, just e-mail me. I would prefer not to part this out. $4,000.00
for all. I am located in Norwalk, ohio. Thank you, Dan Gaston.
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| Subject: | Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jeff,
Thank you for the kind words. I myself was amazed at being able to do some
thing that I always considered as a "black art", but after having observed
Jerry Thornhill at OSH , and having done it myself, I thought that this sim
ple set of instructions should be written down and passed on to others. To
my knowledge this type of instruction does not exist in this basic form any
where else. I can't wait to see how your 42" pitch prop performs. It would
be great if you did a thrust test with the "Piet List-Industrial Fish Scale
". Then we all would have some hard data to compare.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:29 am
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>
Wouldn't have done it without your help Dan..
i've read lots of stuff about carving and didn't quite get it till i got Th
e
ll-Power Tool Method... and i'm not being paid to say it
i have friend that want me to carve wall hangers now...
depending on how this one works on the piet i may make spares or other shap
es
nd pitches
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Push pull set-up |
Ken;
What I have done many times when I needed to figure out
geometries is to get some cardboard, push pins, twine, sticks,
and similar materials and just mock up the assembly in 2-D to see if
it works. You make the cutouts full-size and then just tack
them flat to your work table and see how they work.
I'll bet that in 15-20 minutes you
could make up your bellcrank, control stick, and pushrod
assembly out of stuff you have laying around and then see
what kind of elevator travel you get with the available
fore-and-aft stick travel. Just put a couple of push pins
in the table as "control stops" to limit the stick travel,
then see what kind of up and down arc you get from the
"elevators"... which can be made out of anything.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method |
Jeff,
I am in procession of Dan's fish scales, waiting for time to re-pitch my
prop.or for someone in immediate need to ask for them. If you want to do
thrust test, and use Dan's scales, just email me off-list.
Gary
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method
Jeff,
Thank you for the kind words. I myself was amazed at being able to do
something that I always considered as a "black art", but after having
observed Jerry Thornhill at OSH , and having done it myself, I thought that
this simple set of instructions should be written down and passed on to
others. To my knowledge this type of instruction does not exist in this
basic form anywhere else. I can't wait to see how your 42" pitch prop
performs. It would be great if you did a thrust test with the "Piet
List-Industrial Fish Scale". Then we all would have some hard data to
compare.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2011 10:29 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop-carving CD, The All-Power Tool Method
Wouldn't have done it without your help Dan..
i've read lots of stuff about carving and didn't quite get it till i got The
All-Power Tool Method... and i'm not being paid to say it
i have friend that want me to carve wall hangers now...
depending on how this one works on the piet i may make spares or other
shapes
and pitches
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| From: | Jeff Wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi guys,
Before this thread peters out, where can one find or order the "All Power Prop
Carving CD"? Does it come in a book form?
Jeff Wilson
St. Louis, MO
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| Subject: | Re: Straight axle dimensions |
| From: | "MaximumBob" <bobjacoby(at)bellsouth.net> |
It looks like the McMaster Carr item number is 7767T43 on McMaster.com
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Straight axle dimensions |
Hi Bob,
McMaster-Carr is a great resource but that part number is mild steel.
The part number for 4130 steel in size 1 1/5" X .120 is 89955K17.
Greg Cardinal
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From: "MaximumBob" <bobjacoby(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 5:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Straight axle dimensions
>
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> It looks like the McMaster Carr item number is 7767T43 on McMaster.com
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving CD |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jeff,
This instructional essay, in CD form (PDF) with detailed photos and diagram
s, can be purchased from AircraftSpruce.com or downloaded as an ebook from
Aircraft Technical Book http://www.actechbooks.com/products/act615/. Thank
you for your interest. (Please note, this is not a video).
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 7, 2011 4:17 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving CD
i guys,
efore this thread peters out, where can one find or order the "All Power Pr
op
arving CD"? Does it come in a book form?
Jeff Wilson
t. Louis, MO
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| From: | Terry Hand <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: metal fittings |
George,
I got your Paypal posting. Do you know whether or not I will have to pay
duty on the package? Also, I do not get paid until the 15th of
September, so it will be another week before I can send the money out to
you. I appreciate your patience, but if someone else wants to purchase
and can pay sooner, I understand.
I will talk to you in a few days.
Terry Hand
On Sep 5, 2011, at 11:54 PM, George Abernathy wrote:
> Dear Terry,
>
> Along with your mailing address I need your phone number
>
> Thanks
>
> George
>
> From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 12:32 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings
>
>
> I will tag along with Jake's comment. If you would be interested in
selling a set, please contact me off-line.
>
> jarheadpilot82 (at) gmail (dot) com
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
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Dan,
You should produce Volume II and make a demonstration DVD to go along
with the instructional essay.
Brian
SLC-UT
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Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving CD
Jeff,
This instructional essay, in CD form (PDF) with detailed photos and
diagrams, can be purchased from AircraftSpruce.com or downloaded as an
ebook from Aircraft Technical Book
http://www.actechbooks.com/products/act615/. Thank you for your
interest. (Please note, this is not a video).
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 7, 2011 4:17 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving CD
Hi guys,
Before this thread peters out, where can one find or order the "All
Power Prop
Carving CD"? Does it come in a book form?
Jeff Wilson
St. Louis, MO
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| Subject: | Re: Push pull set-up |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Ken,
It's impossible to give any definitive answers, since there are no dimensions provided,
but unless you have redesigned your elevator bellcrank, I don't think
you will get the travel you need. It appears from your photos that your push/pull
tube connected to the bellcrank is located at the same level as the connecting
tube that joins the rear and front sticks, and it also appears that you
have welded on the tabs for cable attachment (per the plans). It should be fairly
simple to see that the push/pull tube will not travel nearly as far as the
cable attachment points, therefore the result at the bellcrank will not be the
same.
You would be wise to take Oscar's suggestion, and build a full scale mock-up of
your stick/bellcrank/elevator horn arrangement and see what you get.
bill C.
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Push pull set-up |
Bill,
Understand. I made my bell crank outer arm attachments outside my fuse similar
to that of Dick N. pietenpol from Mpls. The great thing about this is I can change
the length (increase or decrease) of the outer bell crank arms for more throw
with less stick movement (if needed and vise versa)and, the cable will not
ride on the horizontal surface of the tail section.
I did a mock-up and found 20 degree upward and 18 degree downward movement of the
outer bell crank arms at their current length. Interested in what degrees of
upward and down ward movement is needed for full control movement and the amount
of stick travel from front to rear. I have 6 1/2" (approx) of stick movement(at
the seat level not the top of the stick) measuring with a ruler running
from pilot seat top to the rear passenger seat back keeping it level for reference.
I am keeping to plans. The front seat stops the front stick and the passenger seat
back stop the rear stick.
Is this correct? or am I missing something?
KMHeide
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> From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 11:46 AM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "Bill Church"
>
> Ken,
> It's impossible to give any definitive answers, since there
> are no dimensions provided, but unless you have redesigned
> your elevator bellcrank, I don't think you will get the
> travel you need. It appears from your photos that your
> push/pull tube connected to the bellcrank is located at the
> same level as the connecting tube that joins the rear and
> front sticks, and it also appears that you have welded on
> the tabs for cable attachment (per the plans). It should be
> fairly simple to see that the push/pull tube will not travel
> nearly as far as the cable attachment points, therefore the
> result at the bellcrank will not be the same.
> You would be wise to take Oscar's suggestion, and build a
> full scale mock-up of your stick/bellcrank/elevator horn
> arrangement and see what you get.
>
> bill C.
>
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead next year based upon OSKOSH see below dates |
Gene, The weekend before July 23 would be a good guess based upon the
schedule posted by EAA for Airventure dates
FUTURE AIRVENTURE DATES:
2012: July 23-29;
2013: July 29-Aug. 4;
2014: July 28-Aug. 3;
In a message dated 9/7/2011 2:49:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
generambo(at)msn.com writes:
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Anyone have the dates of next year handy? I need to bid for vacation for
next year . . . .
Gene Rambo
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| Subject: | Re: Push pull set-up |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Ken,
Since you are modifying the arrangement from that shown in the plans, you need
to ensure that your modifications will result in basically the same performance
as the plans-built system.
The net result you are looking for is to ensure that the control surfaces will
deflect the proper amount based on normal control stick movements. The plans do
not specify the recommended throws for each of the different control surfaces,
and there has been some discussion about this in the past (check the archives).
However, in the UK, homebuilt aircraft are much more regulated than in North
America, and the Light Aircraft Association has produced a set of Type Acceptance
Data Sheets for each aircraft approved for manufacture in the UK, and
there is one for the Pietenpol Air Camper (see link below). Page 4 of the latest
revision of the Pietenpol TADS lists 20 up and 20 down for the recommended
elevator deflections.
The number of degrees of deflection of the control stick or bellcrank arm is less
important than the actual deflection of the control surfaces. However, the
length of the bellcrank should be very close to the dimensions of the elevator
control horn connections, so the deflections of the two should also be very close.
I would suggest that you add the elevator control horns to your mock-up and see
what your resulting elevator deflection is. I haven't built my control system
yet, so I can't provide personal empirical data but it seems odd that it would
require the full use of all possible space to achieve the desired elevator deflections
(if I understand you correctly, in saying that the control stick hits
the seat front or back in order to achieve the throws you are measuring). Maybe
others can comment on that.
Basically, every Pietenpol is unique - (some more than others) - and every little
change can have numerous effects. Just make sure that you will be able to achieve
the recommended deflections AS A MINIMUM. You can always install stops
to prevent too much throw, but you won't be able to add more throw if you have
nowhere for the stick to go.
http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/TADs/047%20PIETENPOL%20AIRCAMPER.pdf
Bill C.
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| From: | George Abernathy <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: metal fittings |
Dear Terry,=0A=0ANo problem the fifteenth will be here before you know it.
You should not have any duty. I know this because I downloaded the three th
ousand page tarrif schedule and printed the page for aircraft parts. I will
send a copy to everybody.-=0A=0AI am starting on the .063 stuff now. Thi
ngs like the wing root pulley brackets and wing pulley brackets. =0A=0A=0AA
re you using the traditional piet tail feather hinge fittings? They are .06
3 also. I notice the plans call out for 27 of one of the fiddley bits. =0A
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| Subject: | Just ordering plans.....Questions |
| From: | "ribill7" <wemidy(at)cox.net> |
I am just ordering plans for my Pietenpol. I do have some questions of all of you!
I am curious as to the landing gear as in the plan and as seen in a few pic on
the internet.
The plans have wood LG and some of the Pics I've seen have a modern metal LG. Where
is this option available from if anybody knows.....
Thanks,
And Hello to All,
Bill Emidy :D
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Push pull set-up |
Bill,
I really appreciate the feedback. I have followed the plans right down to t
he tail hinges and all 27 pieces (and more) to make them. Everything is to
plans as I have indicated.
Here are more photos of my build. In talking and collecting email form othe
rs, it appears my 18-20 degrees is in accordance with most providing feedba
ck. However, after the tail section is mounted, I will make sure to have fu
ll authority of controls before building any further.
It is interesting what other fliers and builders have measured for stick mo
vement (if we can agree on a fixed point to measure from) and total degrees
of up and down elevator travel.
Ladies and gentlemen.....enjoy!
-KMHeide
--- On Wed, 9/7/11, Bill Church wrote:
From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Push pull set-up
Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 4:20 PM
>
Ken,
Since you are modifying the arrangement from that shown in the plans, you n
eed to ensure that your modifications will result in basically the same per
formance as the plans-built system.
The net result you are looking for is to ensure that the control surfaces w
ill deflect the proper amount based on normal control stick movements. The
plans do not specify the recommended throws for each of the different contr
ol surfaces, and there has been some discussion about this in the past (che
ck the archives). However, in the UK, homebuilt aircraft are much more regu
lated than in North America, and the Light Aircraft Association has produce
d a set of Type Acceptance Data Sheets for each aircraft approved for manuf
acture in the UK, and there is one for the Pietenpol Air Camper (see link b
elow). Page 4 of the latest revision of the Pietenpol TADS lists 20=C2=B0 u
p and 20=C2=B0 down for the recommended elevator deflections.
The number of degrees of deflection of the control stick or bellcrank arm i
s less important than the actual deflection of the control surfaces. Howeve
r, the length of the bellcrank should be very close to the dimensions of th
e elevator control horn connections, so the deflections of the two should a
lso be very close.
I would suggest that you add the elevator control horns to your mock-up and
see what your resulting elevator deflection is. I haven't built my control
system yet, so I can't provide personal empirical data but it seems odd th
at it would require the full use of all possible space to achieve the desir
ed elevator deflections (if I understand you correctly, in saying that the
control stick hits the seat front or back in order to achieve the throws yo
u are measuring). Maybe others can comment on that.
Basically, every Pietenpol is unique - (some more than others) - and every
little change can have numerous effects. Just make sure that you will be ab
le to achieve the recommended deflections AS A MINIMUM. You can always inst
all stops to prevent too much throw, but you won't be able to add more thro
w if you have nowhere for the stick to go.
http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/TADs/047%20PIETENPOL%
20AIRCAMPER.pdf
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Just ordering plans.....Questions |
| From: | Amsafetc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
Hello Billy and welcome I am in the midst of my build and up on my wooden gear.
I been at it for, well let's say less than a year ( in dogs life years) and the
like most, a resident smart ass with still too many questions and few answers
however you my good man are in luck. The information you seek cannot be found
in the drawings you must read the book and if you look carefully at addendum
14.1 the information and enlightenment you seek will become yours. Now while
I flaunt my expert wisdom I will provide additional guidance at no extra charge.
Invest in your library and spring for the Tony Bengelis series of books. Those
along with renting , purchasing or borrowing a copy of the TGEP or in more less
sophisticated and refined circles it's known as The Great Waldo Pepper. There
in lies answers to all of the rest of life's problems and situations. From that
meager start you will be will prepared to attend Mecca in July Brodhead which
I encourage you to attend.
I leave you with a welcome to the group a laurel and hardy handshake and the hope
to see your active progress reports as you ask all of the same questions we
al did.
Welcome to the best bunch of folks I have had the good fortune to become associated
with and remember Smile son never disconcert the masses
John
NX895JR
LNS 5.5
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On Sep 7, 2011, at 6:59 PM, "ribill7" wrote:
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> I am just ordering plans for my Pietenpol. I do have some questions of all of
you!
> I am curious as to the landing gear as in the plan and as seen in a few pic on
the internet.
> The plans have wood LG and some of the Pics I've seen have a modern metal LG.
Where is this option available from if anybody knows.....
>
> Thanks,
> And Hello to All,
> Bill Emidy :D
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| Subject: | Re: Just ordering plans.....Questions |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
The standard plans package from the family (the '33 plans) have the drawing
for the split axle steel-tube gear. For another $20 you can get a full size
print of the original wood landing gear from them....
http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/Product.html
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:59 PM, ribill7 wrote:
>
> I am just ordering plans for my Pietenpol. I do have some questions of all
> of you!
> I am curious as to the landing gear as in the plan and as seen in a few pic
> on the internet.
> The plans have wood LG and some of the Pics I've seen have a modern metal
> LG. Where is this option available from if anybody knows.....
>
> Thanks,
> And Hello to All,
> Bill Emidy :D
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving CD |
| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
Here is a microsoft excel spreadsheet that will calculate the thickness, tangents,
Angles, and length of the airfoil Chord at each station. I've attatched it
as a PDF. The notes on the sheet should allow anyone to create their own spreadsheet,
but if anyone wants the actual spreadsheet send me an email and I'll
attach a copy for you. I also have a spreadsheet that calculates that dimensions
of a Clark Y airfoil for any given Chord length. I simply draw the airfoils
on graph paper. I need some CAD software to draw the airfoils...
Dan Wison
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving CD |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Dan,
FreeCad is free and a viable option. I don't use it so I probably can't help you
get started with it. As with any Cad program the learning curve is pretty steep
but if you are willing to spend the time learning it will be a lot of help
in the future. When I went from CadKey to AutoCad there was a lot to learn.
http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/free-cad/index.php?title=Main_Page
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop
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| From: | johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving CD |
Dan,
I found Excel plots aerofoils quite well directly from the co-ordinates.
This is what I used to plot the Riblett 612.
JohnW
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From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Sent: Thursday, 8 September, 2011 10:46:29 AM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing /
Hong Kong / Urumqi
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop Carving CD
Here is a microsoft excel spreadsheet that will calculate the thickness, tangents,
Angles, and length of the airfoil Chord at each station. I've attatched it
as a PDF. The notes on the sheet should allow anyone to create their own spreadsheet,
but if anyone wants the actual spreadsheet send me an email and I'll
attach a copy for you. I also have a spreadsheet that calculates that dimensions
of a Clark Y airfoil for any given Chord length. I simply draw the airfoils
on graph paper. I need some CAD software to draw the airfoils...
Dan Wison
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| Subject: | Re: Just ordering plans.....Questions |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
you can pick up the '32 flying and glider manual with the original drawings for
about 6 bucks from the EAA or Aircraft Spruce.... the '33 edition has the single
seat version and some better detail drawings of some parts than the '32..
here is a link to them online .... you have to download a free viewer.. i look
at em all the time...
http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/hangar-flying/6741-designs-1929-1933-a.html
Jeff
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| Subject: | Using Excel to create prop airfoil sections. Help! |
| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
OK ! I used the scattered graph to plot the Clark Y airfoil for my propeller.
How do I scale the graph so that when I print it is in the correct scale ? In
this example " Inches " PDF attached.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving CD |
| From: | "aussiegeorge" <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com> |
Jerry Dotson wrote:
> Dan,
> FreeCad is free and a viable option. I don't use it so I probably can't help
you get started with it. As with any Cad program the learning curve is pretty
steep but if you are willing to spend the time learning it will be a lot of help
in the future. When I went from CadKey to AutoCad there was a lot to learn.
>
> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/free-cad/index.php?title=Main_Page
I have been using IMSI Turbocad for years. While not free and older version than
current is pretty cheap. For the 2D version 16 it is about thirty bucks. The
best part is that they have CD's that teach you how. Been a while since I have
needed to watch one. Memory sludge serves up an english schoolmarm sounding
voice and the cursor moving to the various places to make things happen. You can
stop it and go to the program and do what was shown and said until things click.
For 2d the learning curve is about a day. 3d? Just get the nail gun!
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| Subject: | Re: metal fittings |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
I received my set today. Absolutely beautiful. The finish is far better than I
thought they would be and the dimensions match the plans nicely. I like that they
are flat and I can bend to the size of my wood parts. I know a lot of folk
have condemed the bulk manufacturing of metal parts as each plane is different.
Im sure there will be parts that will apply to. Im very happy with them and
recommend Georges parts to anyone. Its going to save me a lot of time and hassle.
Thank you George, your payments on its way!
Scotty
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators and Ribs built...Building Horizontal stab...
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| Subject: | Re: metal fittings |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
George,
I am collecting pieces a little bit at a time, so No, I have not gotten the hinge
pieces together.
Are you going to make multiples of the pulley brackets as well? Let me know if
you do.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I guess I don't get the rush to "get done". If I rushed anything during the
10 years it took me to build the Piet, it was the yard or house repair wok
I had to do before I was finally able to go out into the hangar and thorou
ghly enjoy making each and every part (that I was capable of making) of my
beloved Pietenpol. The whole project is "tedious" I suppose, but that was j
ust part of the whole experience. If one really wants to "get done" fast, j
ust go out and buy someone's finished project.......
I'll probably get flamed for this.....
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
I agree with you, Dan. It took eight years for me to build mine, but I made
nearly every single part of it and enjoyed it thoroughly. Once it was done
and flying, I felt sort of lost - not knowing what to do with my time in the
evenings. After a year I bought an RV-10 kit and have enjoyed building it,
but not nearly as much as I enjoyed the Pietenpol. There's just something
cool about finishing an assembly where you made all the parts. With a kit,
you're just assembling parts some factory made and it's just not the same.
Still, it's nice to have an airplane project in the basement.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 7:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal fittings
I guess I don't get the rush to "get done". If I rushed anything during the
10 years it took me to build the Piet, it was the yard or house repair wok I
had to do before I was finally able to go out into the hangar and thoroughly
enjoy making each and every part (that I was capable of making) of my
beloved Pietenpol. The whole project is "tedious" I suppose, but that was
just part of the whole experience. If one really wants to "get done" fast,
just go out and buy someone's finished project.......
I'll probably get flamed for this.....
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
With you, Dan! Funny what you said about the house work. I even abandoned a
kitchen remodel! All that's left is replacing the linoleum with tile, but
the raw edges of the old linoleum keep curling up.so I keep cutting it back,
so we don't trip over it! My wife has had saintly patience.
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal fittings
I guess I don't get the rush to "get done". If I rushed anything during the
10 years it took me to build the Piet, it was the yard or house repair wok I
had to do before I was finally able to go out into the hangar and thoroughly
enjoy making each and every part (that I was capable of making) of my
beloved Pietenpol. The whole project is "tedious" I suppose, but that was
just part of the whole experience. If one really wants to "get done" fast,
just go out and buy someone's finished project.......
I'll probably get flamed for this.....
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: metal fittings |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Hi Dan....why do you think what you said was going to "get you flamed"? Your reading
more in to it than what was intended. Our situation here in Australia is
a little different to the USA. Materials are not as easily obtained and are considerably
more expensive than you guys can obtain them there. I dont have the
tools to make the metal parts in an efficient way and being very time poor due
to young kids and running my own business, buying these parts ready made will
make my build experience more manageable than cutting parts out with a hacksaw.
Im in no great rush to get this built but I know my current limitations.
I love building with wood and have the tools to do this. I guess since im a trade
certified Watchmaker I could build all my own instruments and am curious as
to why you guys didnt make yours if its so important to make every single part?
George has gone to a lot of effort to produce CAD files for these metal parts
and I for one appreciate his time and highly recommend his product. Lets all
build with respect for each others personal situation.
Sunny side up!
Scotty
--------
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
I agree Dan. The only time something got tedious was when I had to redo a part
that I screwed up. For me the journey has been a lifelong dream and now that I
am in the final stages of completion, I almost dont want it to end. I guess I'll
have to build another.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 9/9/2011 6:57:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal fittings
I guess I don't get the rush to "get done". If I rushed anything during the 10
years it took me to build the Piet, it was the yard or house repair wok I had
to do before I was finally able to go out into the hangar and thoroughly enjoy
making each and every part (that I was capable of making) of my beloved Pietenpol.
The whole project is "tedious" I suppose, but that was just part of the
whole experience. If one really wants to "get done" fast, just go out and buy
someone's finished project........
I'll probably get flamed for this.....
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: metal fittings |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
The last thing I wanted to do was be a discouragement for others. I realize
that everyone's situation is different.
Build on!! The best way you can!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: bubbleboy <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 7:37 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: metal fittings
m>
Hi Dan....why do you think what you said was going to "get you flamed"? You
r
eading more in to it than what was intended. Our situation here in Australi
a is
little different to the USA. Materials are not as easily obtained and are
onsiderably more expensive than you guys can obtain them there. I dont have
the
ools to make the metal parts in an efficient way and being very time poor d
ue
o young kids and running my own business, buying these parts ready made wil
l
ake my build experience more manageable than cutting parts out with a hacks
aw.
m in no great rush to get this built but I know my current limitations. I l
ove
uilding with wood and have the tools to do this. I guess since im a trade
ertified Watchmaker I could build all my own instruments and am curious as
to
hy you guys didnt make yours if its so important to make every single part?
eorge has gone to a lot of effort to produce CAD files for these metal part
s
nd I for one appreciate his time and highly rec!
ommend his product. Lets all build with respect for each others personal
ituation.
Sunny side up!
Scotty
--------
amworth, Australia
uilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start
uselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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| Subject: | Re: Push pull set-up |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
Wow! ... that is a lot of weight behind the CG. I assume the rod with the springs
attached is to trim the elevator?
Why the elevator cables on the outside? ... just because?
My Piet never had an issue with elevator movements as based off the plans, 1933
Fly & Gilder Manual. Throw was good, no need to worry about stops either. Trim
was per hand input to the stick, very light.
... to each their own.
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| From: | "Kenneth M. Heide" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Push pull set-up |
No- there is no extra weight behind the CG. Everything is to plans with the trim
system (aluminum) installed due to my weight 280lbs. Holding stick pressure
it fine but I prefer trim to assist with that. Also, the weight of my trim system
is 1.45 lbs. acceptable to me, not excessive by any means!
The outside bell crank arms are for two reasons: First - I like the look and nostalgia
of it and two-it keeps the control cables off the stabilizer. Same outcome
different design, that's all.
No stops on my control stick and the throw is acceptable with others who responded.
Frankly, I see no reason to change anything at this point.
As for aft CG, my weight is a big factor as well as keeping everything light. I
have only necessary gauges with no compartments or accessories. Taking bets I
come well within overall plane weight!
KMH Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 9, 2011, at 11:57 AM, "womenfly2" wrote:
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> Wow! ... that is a lot of weight behind the CG. I assume the rod with the springs
attached is to trim the elevator?
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> Why the elevator cables on the outside? ... just because?
>
> My Piet never had an issue with elevator movements as based off the plans, 1933
Fly & Gilder Manual. Throw was good, no need to worry about stops either. Trim
was per hand input to the stick, very light.
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Hey Guys..
on the straight axle, i was wondering what size bungees you used..??
i remember the last plane i built i tried to use something like 1/2 inch and discovered
that it was almost impossible to wrap...preload... and adjust.. so i
ended up with about half hat size... like 1/4 inch stuff.
it was a lighter plane..
i'm thinking longer lengths of 5/16 or two lengths on each side.
BTW ratings i found were
5/16......... 350 lbs
3/8............400 lbs
1/2............ 450 lbs
these are on a single strand of cord..... so more wraps of smaller cord could be
as strong as fewer wraps of large cord with more control of tightness right
??
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Push pull set-up |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
> No- there is no extra weight behind the CG. Everything is to plans with the trim
system (aluminum) installed due to my weight 280lbs. Holding stick pressure
it fine but I prefer trim to assist with that. Also, the weight of my trim system
is 1.45 lbs. acceptable to me, not excessive by any means!
.... including the plywood bottom? anyway, watch your CG, the Piet even with a
Model-A and water filled Radiator up front comes out with and aft CG closes to
the limit.
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Kennedy Space Center Flyovers |
One positive for the end of the Space Shuttle program is they have
reopened the space center for flyovers. Took the opportunity to fly the
length of the shuttle landing facility this morning. The runway is 3
miles long, and it took 3 minutes to fly the length. The only rule is
you have to stay above 500 ft. It was taking so long I called the tower
when I got that far and said "When I finally get to the end of the
runway I'll make a right turn and depart to the west" Quite a thrill
after watching the cockpit views of the shuttle landing on this same strip.
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| From: | "Kenneth M. Heide" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Push pull set-up |
Thanks you for your input, much appreciated.
I used a wood 1/8 bottom for an inspection access and tail strength (assurance).
KMH Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 9, 2011, at 2:06 PM, "womenfly2" wrote:
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>> No- there is no extra weight behind the CG. Everything is to plans with the
trim system (aluminum) installed due to my weight 280lbs. Holding stick pressure
it fine but I prefer trim to assist with that. Also, the weight of my trim
system is 1.45 lbs. acceptable to me, not excessive by any means!
>
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a Model-A and water filled Radiator up front comes out with and aft CG closes
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| Subject: | Re: Kennedy Space Center Flyovers |
Ben Hi from England.
What a positive that is to fly over Kennedy SC. Almost seems like an
enlightened decision by someone.
I only hope our fashion here to copy the US extends to this liberal
approach to aviation. I'm sure it wont based on present conditions.
The Airspace being grabbed for the 2012 Olympics in London is crazy.
Enough or I'll be ranting.
Great Photo. Thank you.
Gerry
Gerry Holland
gholland@content-stream.co.uk
+44 (0)7808 402404
White Ox Mead, Bath. England
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Kennedy Space Center Flyovers |
That is a cool photo!
I wonder how many take off, climb to 100', and landings can be made in a
3 mi stretch in a Pietenpol...
On 09/09/2011 02:24 PM, Ben Charvet wrote:
> One positive for the end of the Space Shuttle program is they have
> reopened the space center for flyovers. Took the opportunity to fly the
> length of the shuttle landing facility this morning. The runway is 3
> miles long, and it took 3 minutes to fly the length. The only rule is
> you have to stay above 500 ft. It was taking so long I called the tower
> when I got that far and said "When I finally get to the end of the
> runway I'll make a right turn and depart to the west" Quite a thrill
> after watching the cockpit views of the shuttle landing on this same strip.
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Using Excel to create prop airfoil sections. Help! |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Dan,
Can you email me the .xls spreadsheet. Your .pdf did not come out right. Your diagram
lays over the top of your first coordinates. At least when I look at it
with a Mac. I think I can help you. At least I am happy to try.
jarheadpilot82 (at) hotmail (dot) com
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
I use 1/2". It's a real bear to stretch it into place, but anything less
feels very wimpy when taxiing.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 2:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shock Cord
Hey Guys..
on the straight axle, i was wondering what size bungees you used..??
i remember the last plane i built i tried to use something like 1/2 inch and
discovered that it was almost impossible to wrap...preload... and adjust..
so i ended up with about half hat size... like 1/4 inch stuff.
it was a lighter plane..
i'm thinking longer lengths of 5/16 or two lengths on each side.
BTW ratings i found were
5/16......... 350 lbs
3/8............400 lbs
1/2............ 450 lbs
these are on a single strand of cord..... so more wraps of smaller cord
could be as strong as fewer wraps of large cord with more control of
tightness right ??
jeff
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Jeff,
Like Jack, I also used 1/2". I concur that it is a real bear to stretch, bu
t necessary. Douwe Blumberg told me about these mega-jumbo plastic "wire ti
es" that are sold at Home Depot in the heating and air conditioning departm
ent (by the duct work). There is a special tool that they also sell to tigh
ten them. I used that tool to cinch the bungees together.
Ideally, one would need three men and a boy to help with this bungee-stretc
hing operation. I have done it alone, by first looping and attaching one en
d to the axle by itself, then stretching and lacing, then finishing by usin
g that aforementioned tool to fasten the tail end. Very difficult without t
he extra help to be sure.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:54 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shock Cord
>
Hey Guys..
on the straight axle, i was wondering what size bungees you used..??
i remember the last plane i built i tried to use something like 1/2 inch an
d
iscovered that it was almost impossible to wrap...preload... and adjust.. s
o i
nded up with about half hat size... like 1/4 inch stuff.
t was a lighter plane..
i'm thinking longer lengths of 5/16 or two lengths on each side.
TW ratings i found were
/16......... 350 lbs
/8............400 lbs
/2............ 450 lbs
these are on a single strand of cord..... so more wraps of smaller cord cou
ld be
s strong as fewer wraps of large cord with more control of tightness right
??
jeff
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| From: | johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au |
| Subject: | Re: Using Excel to create prop airfoil sections. Help! |
Dan,
I also used scatter graph with smoothing. Adjusted the scale in page setup prior
to printing. It was trial and error. Adjust, print, measure, adjust, print,
measure, etc...
This may depend on the printer you have.
Hope this helps.
JohnW
>>OK ! I used the scattered graph to plot the Clark Y airfoil for my propeller.
How do I scale the graph so that when I print it is in the correct scale ?
In this example " Inches " PDF attached.
Dan<<
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Kennedy Space Center Flyovers |
Ben,
Very cool picture. Made me think the Piet and Space Shuttle have something
in common, they both glide like a brick.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
> To: Pietenpol list
> Date: 9/9/2011 3:49:41 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kennedy Space Center Flyovers
>
> One positive for the end of the Space Shuttle program is they have
> reopened the space center for flyovers. Took the opportunity to fly the
> length of the shuttle landing facility this morning. The runway is 3
> miles long, and it took 3 minutes to fly the length. The only rule is
> you have to stay above 500 ft. It was taking so long I called the tower
> when I got that far and said "When I finally get to the end of the
> runway I'll make a right turn and depart to the west" Quite a thrill
> after watching the cockpit views of the shuttle landing on this same
strip.
>
> --
> Ben Charvet, PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
>
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| Subject: | Re: Using Excel to create prop airfoil sections. Help! |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Does this work for you?
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| Subject: | Re: Using Excel to create prop airfoil sections. Help! |
| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
Fantastic ! Thank You. Those are the airfoils located at specific stations on
my prop profile. Did you accomplish that with excel or a CAD program? If Excel,
how did you do it ? Much appreciated.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Using Excel to create prop airfoil sections. Help! |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I used Pages, which is part of iWork (Mac). I just took each jpg of the airfoil
and made them the width you specified while retaining the original proportion.
We don't need no stink in' Excel!
Actually, I am sure that one of the computer gurus on the Forum could have found
a better way to do it, but I thought that doing it this way might work. Glad
I could help.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Hi I agree with Jack completely. Stretching the bungees is a 2 person job.
Practice stretching and leave the beer for after you are done.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Shock Cord
>
>
> I use 1/2". It's a real bear to stretch it into place, but anything less
> feels very wimpy when taxiing.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 2:52 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shock Cord
>
>
>
> Hey Guys..
>
> on the straight axle, i was wondering what size bungees you used..??
>
> i remember the last plane i built i tried to use something like 1/2 inch
> and
> discovered that it was almost impossible to wrap...preload... and adjust..
> so i ended up with about half hat size... like 1/4 inch stuff.
> it was a lighter plane..
> i'm thinking longer lengths of 5/16 or two lengths on each side.
>
> BTW ratings i found were
> 5/16......... 350 lbs
> 3/8............400 lbs
> 1/2............ 450 lbs
>
> these are on a single strand of cord..... so more wraps of smaller cord
> could be as strong as fewer wraps of large cord with more control of
> tightness right ??
>
> jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351822#351822
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
I used to use those plastic cable ties on my bungees, but broke enough of
them to seek an alternative. Now I use .041" stainless steel safety wire,
which works very well, biting down into the bungee well enough to hold
securely. I still use at least 3 safety wires in case one of them breaks.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shock Cord
Hi Jeff,
Like Jack, I also used 1/2". I concur that it is a real bear to stretch, but
necessary. Douwe Blumberg told me about these mega-jumbo plastic "wire ties"
that are sold at Home Depot in the heating and air conditioning department
(by the duct work). There is a special tool that they also sell to tighten
them. I used that tool to cinch the bungees together.
Ideally, one would need three men and a boy to help with this
bungee-stretching operation. I have done it alone, by first looping and
attaching one end to the axle by itself, then stretching and lacing, then
finishing by using that aforementioned tool to fasten the tail end. Very
difficult without the extra help to be sure.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:54 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shock Cord
Hey Guys..
on the straight axle, i was wondering what size bungees you used..??
i remember the last plane i built i tried to use something like 1/2 inch and
discovered that it was almost impossible to wrap...preload... and adjust..
so i
ended up with about half hat size... like 1/4 inch stuff.
it was a lighter plane..
i'm thinking longer lengths of 5/16 or two lengths on each side.
BTW ratings i found were
5/16......... 350 lbs
3/8............400 lbs
1/2............ 450 lbs
these are on a single strand of cord..... so more wraps of smaller cord
could be
as strong as fewer wraps of large cord with more control of tightness right
??
jeff
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| Subject: | Push-pull....CG locations |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
watch your CG, the Piet even with a
Model-A and water filled Radiator up front comes out with and aft CG closes
to
the limit.
This is not always true. NX929DH is nose-heavy, have to input nose-up bunge
e trim to fly level. I also adjusted down the LE of the horizontal stab to
help raise the nose.
*Pilot weight: 150 Lbs.
*Model A, Gleaner Combine "diamond" block (8 lbs heavier)
*Brass radiator
*Vertical cabanes
*Jenny gear
Walt Bowe (Calif.) told me that his is nose heavy also.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Push-pull....CG locations |
Fat pilots like me love to fly too!
A few years ago I build from a kit the new LSA Challenger II from Quad Citi
es. This airplane was a rear pusher type using a 503 Rotax engine. Everythi
ng hangs behind/aft of the wing. After completing their factory kit, I had
to add 40 lbs to the nose section to get the front wheel to touch the groun
d! My mechanic and I were completely puzzled as the design create such a ta
il heavy aircraft.-
-KMHeide
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From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull....CG locations
Date: Saturday, September 10, 2011, 6:26 AM
=0A
=0A-watch your CG, the Piet even with a
=0AModel-A and water filled Radiator up front comes out with and aft CG clo
ses to
=0Athe limit.
=0A
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bungee trim to fly level. I also adjusted down the LE of the horizontal sta
b to help raise the nose.=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0A*Pilot weight: 150 Lbs.=0A=0A
=0A*Model A, Gleaner Combine "diamond" block (8 lbs heavier)=0A=0A=0A*Brass
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=0AWalt Bowe (Calif.) told me that his is nose heavy also.=0A=0A=0A-=0A
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| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
A come-along, bloody fingers, and cussing are all requirements of the bungee operation
for me. I had to go to 5/8" and wrap really really tight.
Good Luck!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
I kinda thought this would be the answer....
i looked at the kitfox list and saw the use of a smaller size but longer lengths.....
more wraps....
seems that more wraps of easier to deal with cord would serve the same purpose..
i've been looking at all the flying and glider manuals too... for thoughts at that
time..
thanks gentleman
jeff
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| From: | Doug Dever <helio400(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Push-pull....CG locations |
Nice to know.- Mine should be about right then at a pilot weight of 170.
- Btw dan, did you have to move your wing at all to compensate?- Cabane
s in your pics seem pretty vertical to me.=0A=0A=0AFrom: "helspersew(at)aol.co
m" =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday
, September 10, 2011 7:26 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull....CG loc
ations=0A=0A=0A=0A-watch your CG, the Piet even with a =0AModel-A and wat
er filled Radiator up front comes out with and aft CG closes to =0Athe limi
t.=0A=0AThis is not always true.-NX929DH is nose-heavy, have to input nos
e-up bungee trim to fly level. I also adjusted down the LE of the horizonta
l stab to help raise the nose.=0A=0A*Pilot weight: 150 Lbs.=0A*Model A, Gle
aner Combine "diamond" block (8 lbs heavier)=0A*Brass radiator=0A*Vertical
cabanes=0A*Jenny gear=0A=0AWalt Bowe (Calif.) told me that his is nose heav
====
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| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Yes Gene...With the steel tube gear it really is a much different comparison.
The nice thing about the straight axle is you can add some more wraps if needed.
With my gear that is difficult to do, not much room. The next Pietenpol I
build (Ha Ha) is going to have the straight axle.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
>
>We started with the bungee... used a come along and a gator with a wench and lots
of clamps to get it stretched adequately.
[Jim] I have a come along and plenty of clamps but I don't want to get my ex-wife
involved....
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| Subject: | Re: Push-pull....CG locations |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Doug,
Wings are to plans. Cabanes vertical.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Dever <helio400(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 10:35 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull....CG locations
Nice to know. Mine should be about right then at a pilot weight of 170. B
tw dan, did you have to move your wing at all to compensate? Cabanes in yo
ur pics seem pretty vertical to me.
From: "helspersew(at)aol.com" <helspersew(at)aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 7:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push-pull....CG locations
watch your CG, the Piet even with a
Model-A and water filled Radiator up front comes out with and aft CG closes
to
the limit.
This is not always true. NX929DH is nose-heavy, have to input nose-up bunge
e trim to fly level. I also adjusted down the LE of the horizontal stab to
help raise the nose.
*Pilot weight: 150 Lbs.
*Model A, Gleaner Combine "diamond" block (8 lbs heavier)
*Brass radiator
*Vertical cabanes
*Jenny gear
Walt Bowe (Calif.) told me that his is nose heavy also.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! |
| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
Visualizing the front view of the prop, I get it. Drawing the Leading and Trailing
edges on the side of the blank, got that too ! What the airfoil at each
station looks like if you were looking down the blade from the tip to the hub,
well that was more difficult for me to see. Here is what I came up with and
my plan to remove just the right amount of material to end up with a propeller.
I've mounted a digital caliper to the drill press so I can drill a series of
1/16 inch holes along a line on the face of the prop blank at each station.
The digital caliper should allow me to control the depth of the hole to with-in
about 1/8 of and inch from the actual airfoil surface. The wood remaining
can be removed with the angle grinder or orbital sander. Any thoughts or suggestions.
I'm going to try the lancelot blade from King Arthur Tools mounted in a 4 1/2 inch
angle grinder.
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| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
i had fun with the chainsaw method...
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Kennedy Space Center Flyovers |
| From: | "GliderMike" <glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com> |
Dan, There is an airport in Western Oklahoma - Clinton Sherman - that has 13,500
ft of runway. It used to be an Air Force Base, and was de-commissioned in the
'60's. There is a control tower there (or at least used to be) that was open
from 7 or 8 am til 5 or 6 pm weekdays. I made 3 take offs and landings to a
full stop, with a climb to 1,000 ft agl in between each take off in the 1957
Cessna 182 I used to own, several years ago.
--------
HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| From: | Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | push-pull set-up |
Admittedly I haven't seen any pictures of your set-up but you speak of external
bellcranks and some sort of elevator trim system yet keep insisting that it's
"to the plans". Pray tell what plans you are using or what airplane you are building.
Larry W.
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| From: | RBush96589(at)aol.com |
hello all,
I just finished reading the latest update on flycorvair.com from William
Wynne.
the last part of the update tells of how close he and his father came
to being in tower number two on 9/11/2001.it is an interesting story and
makes you come to realize how
fortunate many of us are.
with the tenth anniversary of that day coming up tomorrow and with the
war that it led to
still going on got me to thinking how lucky I am to be where I am and to be
able to build
fly and enjoy my own airplane.and also as a stepfather of a son who did a
tour of afghanistan
with the army in the middle of it all.I would like to say thank you to the
members of this list who have served their country through this war and in
those past. I don't think you hear it often enough.
Beutiful morning to fly here in west TN.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
Miss Le Bec
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| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Dan,
It sounds like that would work. It also sounds like you bettta be beeerrrrr
y careful when you drill those holes so they don't get too deep.
If it were me, I would do as our good amigo from south of the border, Santi
ago from Argentina did. He made templates from cardboard of the airfoils at
each station, and split them at the leading edge and trailing edge lines.
Then, when you started getting close (with the chainsaw) you could keep try
ing the templates at each blade station. Shouldn't be too hard. .....but th
at's me.
I am sure you will be successful in whatever method you choose.
Any special reason you chose the Clark Y?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
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From: dwilson <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 1:01 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
Visualizing the front view of the prop, I get it. Drawing the Leading and
railing edges on the side of the blank, got that too ! What the airfoil at
ach station looks like if you were looking down the blade from the tip to t
he
ub, well that was more difficult for me to see. Here is what I came up wit
h
nd my plan to remove just the right amount of material to end up with a
ropeller. I've mounted a digital caliper to the drill press so I can drill
a
eries of 1/16 inch holes along a line on the face of the prop blank at eac
h
tation. The digital caliper should allow me to control the depth of the ho
le
o with-in about 1/8 of and inch from the actual airfoil surface. The wood
emaining can be removed with the angle grinder or orbital sander. Any thou
ghts
r suggestions.
I'm going to try the lancelot blade from King Arthur Tools mounted in a 4 1
/2
nch angle grinder.
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| Subject: | Re: Just ordering plans.....Questions |
| From: | "ribill7" <wemidy(at)cox.net> |
Hey thanks to everybody that gave some input.........
Bill
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! |
Any idea HOW Santiago (or anyone) created the templates for each station? Software?
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Sent: Sep 10, 2011 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
Hi Dan,
It sounds like that would work. It also sounds like you bettta be beeerrrrry careful
when you drill those holes so they don't get too deep.
If it were me, I would do as our good amigo from south of the border, Santiago
from Argentina did. He made templates from cardboard of the airfoils at each station,
and split them at the leading edge and trailing edge lines. Then, when
you started getting close (with the chainsaw) you could keep trying the templates
at each blade station. Shouldn't be too hard. .....but that's me.
I am sure you will be successful in whatever method you choose.
Any special reason you chose the Clark Y?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: dwilson <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 1:01 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
Visualizing the front view of the prop, I get it. Drawing the Leading and
Trailing edges on the side of the blank, got that too ! What the airfoil at
each station looks like if you were looking down the blade from the tip to the
hub, well that was more difficult for me to see. Here is what I came up with
and my plan to remove just the right amount of material to end up with a
propeller. I've mounted a digital caliper to the drill press so I can drill a
series of 1/16 inch holes along a line on the face of the prop blank at each
station. The digital caliper should allow me to control the depth of the hole
to with-in about 1/8 of and inch from the actual airfoil surface. The wood
remaining can be removed with the angle grinder or orbital sander. Any thoughts
or suggestions.
I'm going to try the lancelot blade from King Arthur Tools mounted in a 4 1/2
inch angle grinder.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351908#351908
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| Subject: | Can anyone identify this plane? |
| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
My father discovered it in a building near his house.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| From: | Amsafetc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! |
As difficult as it may become the idea of carving my own prop is certainly enticing.
A couple of planks 76 inches long and 8 inches wide some titebond 3 and
an electric chain saw.
I got the saw, sawhorses,clamps,benches all I need is the profile and lots of who
knows what to start hacking away and removing all the pieces that don't look
like a propeller. Once that task is complete I should be left with a propeller
Right. No biggie. I been thinkin on it for some time just need to get the wood
and get gluon.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 10, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Jim Markle wrote:
>
> Any idea HOW Santiago (or anyone) created the templates for each station? Software?
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: helspersew(at)aol.com
>
> Sent: Sep 10, 2011 6:09 PM
>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
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> Hi Dan,
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> It sounds like that would work. It also sounds like you bettta be beeerrrrry
careful when you drill those holes so they don't get too deep.
>
>
>
>
>
> If it were me, I would do as our good amigo from south of the border, Santiago
from Argentina did. He made templates from cardboard of the airfoils at each
station, and split them at the leading edge and trailing edge lines. Then, when
you started getting close (with the chainsaw) you could keep trying the templates
at each blade station. Shouldn't be too hard. .....but that's me.
>
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>
>
> I am sure you will be successful in whatever method you choose.
>
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>
> Any special reason you chose the Clark Y?
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> Dan Helsper
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> Puryear, TN.
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>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: dwilson <marwilson(at)charter.net>
>
> To: pietenpol-list
>
> Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 1:01 pm
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
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>
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>
>
>
> Visualizing the front view of the prop, I get it. Drawing the Leading and
> Trailing edges on the side of the blank, got that too ! What the airfoil at
> each station looks like if you were looking down the blade from the tip to the
> hub, well that was more difficult for me to see. Here is what I came up with
> and my plan to remove just the right amount of material to end up with a
> propeller. I've mounted a digital caliper to the drill press so I can drill
a
> series of 1/16 inch holes along a line on the face of the prop blank at each
> station. The digital caliper should allow me to control the depth of the hole
> to with-in about 1/8 of and inch from the actual airfoil surface. The wood
> remaining can be removed with the angle grinder or orbital sander. Any thoughts
> or suggestions.
>
> I'm going to try the lancelot blade from King Arthur Tools mounted in a 4 1/2
> inch angle grinder.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351908#351908
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop_plan_view_133.pdf
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| From: | "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Can anyone identify this plane? |
Curt:
See page 48 of the 1933 Flying and Glider Manual...
Given the unique rudder and wire braced wings I am thinking Henderson
Longster.
http://www.rcflyg.se/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16299&d=1290073384
http://media.photobucket.com/image/henderson+longster+/tempuskenny/Motorcycles/WAAAM%20Motorcycles/080415HendersonMCEnginein1930Homebu.jpg
Michael Silvius
----- Original Message -----
From: "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com>
>
> My father discovered it in a building near his house.
>
> Curt Merdan
> Flower Mound, TX
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0673_611.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: metal fittings |
| From: | "aussiegeorge" <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi all just put a you tube up showing how to bend the elevator fitting at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB9E43TuaFM
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: push-pull set-up |
I am building the plane to plans. I decided to have external bell cranks. R
egardless of the placement it is still a bell crank with all components as
the plans dictate. The trim is for my weight as I figured I would need some
stick pressure due to my weight!
Yes... I used some wood on the bottom fuse for an inspection hole. Weather
fabric or wood, still an inspection cover.
Now matter what anyone wishes to mouth out, -a bell crank is a bell crank
as long as it has all the components to be a bell crank!!!! For those who
wish to be purists, step forward and show me your "to plans" airplane. A st
ep, door, storage compartment makes your plane anything but a pietenpol!
-
SO...comment away as frankly I don't give a shit what others think. I was o
nly asking the list for "input" not criticism! Hence why I shun when asking
this list anything publicly. So before you fly away into the sunset and th
ink this list is constructive, remember this. I have received feedback on m
y original question from three people! The rest of you....offer nothing but
failed criticism because your glasses see it in one dimension!-
Touche'
-KMHeide
--- On Sat, 9/10/11, Lawrence Williams wrote:
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: push-pull set-up
Date: Saturday, September 10, 2011, 4:11 PM
Admittedly I haven't seen any pictures of your set-up but you speak of exte
rnal bellcranks and some sort of elevator trim system yet keep insisting th
at it's "to the plans". Pray tell what plans you are using or what airplane
you are building.
Larry W.
=====================0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: push-pull set-up |
Surely Mr Heide has a right to complete an experimental Aircraft
designed in 1930 as close to the design as he can but with adaption in
areas where he sees fit and suit his needs, certainly made in the
'spirit' of the plans. The only proviso that should get comment is a
blatant error leading to safety issues.
How tedious a Piet Fly-in would be if everyone had the same aircraft,
same colour, same everything just because the plans said so. =46rom what
I read and observe Bernard Pietenpol would have showed nothing but
encouragement for a subtle adaption of his original design and would
have given advice in a positive, glass half full way.
Ironically today is a day when we remember a certain group of people
taking heinous actions just to assert their point of view on the
pretence of Jehad. What enthusiasm will this guy have to join in a
fly-in now. I would hasten to think, very little!
Enjoy differences! It's called evolution!
Regards to all....even those who are a bit different.
Gerry
Nobody grows old merely by living a number of years. We grow old by
deserting our ideals.
Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm wrinkles the soul.
Samuel Ullman
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| Subject: | Re: metal fittings |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Well it's two in the morning here in Seattle and I appreciate seeing this video....
I look forward to the parts and continued Pietenpol progress on this side
of the pond..... thanks George.....
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | George Abernathy <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: metal fittings |
Hey Jake,=0A=0AWhat are you doing up past bed time. Are you "sleepless in s
eattle?". =0A=0A=0ASorry just could not resist it. =0A=0A=0AIt has decided
to rain here after being cold. I have been packing up to go and rebuild a s
pa. Got my lifting derrick that I can carry into the house and set up. Got
the remote controlled winches spreader bars. Just remembered better put the
extra battery drill in. I have to raise it from a hole in a slab. =0A=0A
=0ASo I am still packing. =0A=0A=0ASonja did a pretty good job with the cam
era. =0A=0A=0ANext I have to use the tig welder. I am going to practice a l
ittle.=0AI tried one of the high dollar units at oskosh. It seemed easier t
han gas welding. =0A=0A=0AG=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom
: aerocarjake =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 7:08 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: met
t.jake(at)gmail.com>=0A=0AWell it's two in the morning here in Seattle and I a
ppreciate seeing this video.... I look forward to the parts and continued P
ietenpol progress on this side of the pond..... thanks George.....=0A=0A---
-----=0AJake Schultz - curator,=0ANewport Way Air Museum- (OK, it's just
my home)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matr
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | push-pull set-up |
Gerry,
Certainly Ken has the right to do anything he wishes with his Pietenpol. I
think the only reason he was getting some flak was his insistence in calling
it "to the plans" while enumerating a farily large number of substantial
changes from those plans.
I personaly don't know of ANY Pietenpol that was built exactly to the plans,
with the possible exception of Gene Rambo's "Purist Special". I've seen
that plane under construction and have not seen any changes at all from what
the plans show.
So build away, Ken. Just don't keep calling it "to the plans". Call it
"close to the plans". Or just call it a Pietenpol.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry
Holland
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: push-pull set-up
Surely Mr Heide has a right to complete an experimental Aircraft designed in
1930 as close to the design as he can but with adaption in areas where he
sees fit and suit his needs, certainly made in the 'spirit' of the plans.
The only proviso that should get comment is a blatant error leading to
safety issues.
How tedious a Piet Fly-in would be if everyone had the same aircraft, same
colour, same everything just because the plans said so. From what I read and
observe Bernard Pietenpol would have showed nothing but encouragement for a
subtle adaption of his original design and would have given advice in a
positive, glass half full way.
Ironically today is a day when we remember a certain group of people taking
heinous actions just to assert their point of view on the pretence of Jehad.
What enthusiasm will this guy have to join in a fly-in now. I would hasten
to think, very little!
Enjoy differences! It's called evolution!
Regards to all....even those who are a bit different.
Gerry
Nobody grows old merely by living a number of years. We grow old by
deserting our ideals.
Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm wrinkles the soul.
Samuel Ullman
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jim,
You could ask him. moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar,
According to my notes from the master Jerry Thornhill (prop carving demonst
rator at OSH) he says that the exact shape of the blades is not that all i
mportant, but again, according to my notes, he said that the thickest part
of the blade should be about 40% back from the leading edge. If you were to
watch Jerry carve a prop with the chainsaw method, he uses no airfoil temp
lates. It is just by eye that he carves the first blade, and then uses a fl
at piece of lead to match one blade station with the opposing side. So appa
rently he is right, because he has had much success with the performance of
his works.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 8:58 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
>
Any idea HOW Santiago (or anyone) created the templates for each station?
oftware?
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Sep 10, 2011 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
i Dan,
t sounds like that would work. It also sounds like you bettta be beeerrrrry
areful when you drill those holes so they don't get too deep.
f it were me, I would do as our good amigo from south of the border, Santia
go
rom Argentina did. He made templates from cardboard of the airfoils at each
tation, and split them at the leading edge and trailing edge lines. Then, w
hen
ou started getting close (with the chainsaw) you could keep trying the
emplates at each blade station. Shouldn't be too hard. .....but that's me.
am sure you will be successful in whatever method you choose.
ny special reason you chose the Clark Y?
an Helsper
uryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: dwilson <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 1:01 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
Visualizing the front view of the prop, I get it. Drawing the Leading and
railing edges on the side of the blank, got that too ! What the airfoil at
ach station looks like if you were looking down the blade from the tip to t
he
ub, well that was more difficult for me to see. Here is what I came up wit
h
nd my plan to remove just the right amount of material to end up with a
ropeller. I've mounted a digital caliper to the drill press so I can drill
a
eries of 1/16 inch holes along a line on the face of the prop blank at eac
h
tation. The digital caliper should allow me to control the depth of the ho
le
o with-in about 1/8 of and inch from the actual airfoil surface. The wood
emaining can be removed with the angle grinder or orbital sander. Any thou
ghts
or suggestions.
I'm going to try the lancelot blade from King Arthur Tools mounted in a 4 1
/2
nch angle grinder.
ead this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351908#351908
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| Subject: | Re: push-pull set-up |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
What Gerry said. I agree with Ken too. My Piet is certainly not to plans. Mine
has some dihedral in the wing, an O-235 Lycoming, a handicap step, covering with
dacron not Grade A, brakes, a tailwheel, a battery, elevator trim and the list
goes on.
Now that said I love our little group and would like to see harmony among
us. I come to this forum several times a day just to see what some proud
Pietenpol builder/flier has posted. Maybe a picture of their flying airplane or
just simply a picture of#1 rib, maybe a stack of ribs. I take great pleasure
looking at all the pictures whether they are building to plans or not! I will
not sit in judgment of anyone.
God please bless America........... we need it
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop
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| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! |
| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
Here is an example I found that demonstrates how you can draw the Clark Y Airfoil
for any chord length. I made cardboard templates for each station, they are
easy to cut. I'm working on a set of templates that are made of .025 aluminum.
I,m just using the drill press as a guide to indicate to me how much wood
to remove at each station. I still have to hog out the wood with any method
you desire. I will use the aluminum templates to measure the airfoils at each
station.
Jerry had a drill bit with an adjustable cutter that he used to drill the center
hole in the propeller. Anyone know where to find one. It was not a counterbore.
Dan
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351956#351956
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Free airfoil plotting software...: Re: Plan to get that |
blade out of the blank !
Thanks Dan.
And I just found a free (VERY basic) program that could be used to create airfoils/templates.
Comes with a few airfoils, including the Clark Y:
http://www.rc-soar.com/hardsoft/profilerev.htm
Jim in Pryor
-----Original Message-----
>From: dwilson <marwilson(at)charter.net>
>Sent: Sep 11, 2011 9:36 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
>
>
>Here is an example I found that demonstrates how you can draw the Clark Y Airfoil
for any chord length. I made cardboard templates for each station, they are
easy to cut. I'm working on a set of templates that are made of .025 aluminum.
I,m just using the drill press as a guide to indicate to me how much wood
to remove at each station. I still have to hog out the wood with any method
you desire. I will use the aluminum templates to measure the airfoils at each
station.
>
>Jerry had a drill bit with an adjustable cutter that he used to drill the center
hole in the propeller. Anyone know where to find one. It was not a counterbore.
>
>Dan
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351956#351956
>
>
>Attachments:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/clark_y_airfoil_175.pdf
>
>
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! |
Jim,
For shaping the airfoils at each station, I used Al Schubert's book, How I Make
Props, available at the EAA website. He has several different airfoils for other
engines.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
-->
Any idea HOW Santiago (or anyone) created the templates for each station? Software?
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Sep 10, 2011 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
Hi Dan,
It sounds like that would work. It also sounds like you bettta be beeerrrrry careful
when you drill those holes so they don't get too deep.
If it were me, I would do as our good amigo from south of the border, Santiago
from Argentina did. He made templates from cardboard of the airfoils at each station,
and split them at the leading edge and trailing edge lines. Then, when
you started getting close (with the chainsaw) you could keep trying the templates
at each blade station. Shouldn't be too hard. .....but that's me.
I am sure you will be successful in whatever method you choose.
Any special reason you chose the Clark Y?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: dwilson <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 1:01 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
Visualizing the front view of the prop, I get it. Drawing the Leading and Trailing
edges on the side of the blank, got that too ! What the airfoil at each
station looks like if you were looking down the blade from the tip to the hub,
well that was more difficult for me to see. Here is what I came up with and
my plan to remove just the right amount of material to end up with a propeller.
I've mounted a digital caliper to the drill press so I can drill a series of
1/16 inch holes along a line on the face of the prop blank at each station.
The digital caliper should allow me to control the depth of the hole to with-in
about 1/8 of and inch from the actual airfoil surface. The wood remaining
can be removed with the angle grinder or orbital sander. Any thoughts or suggestions.
I'm going to try the lancelot blade from King Arthur Tools mounted in a 4 1/2 inch
angle grinder.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351908#351908
Attachments:
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| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
I'm with Dan and Jack. I did buy some of the metal fittings for the wings
early on in the project because I was intimidated by the metalwork but as I
got into the project, I realized that a big part of building a Piet is
learning a lot of new skills. Fortunately, we have this group to bounce things
off of, and to actually get hands-on help sometimes. And I share Jack's
feeling of loss when the Piet was finished, though I love flying it now that
it's done. So I'm looking at building a Wittman Buttercup. I figure it'll be
kinda like the Pietenpol project, but without this great group of people.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
Propeller craving-1 & 2
1.
2.
Interesting.
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| From: | "Barnwell Regional Airport" <barnwellairport(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Corvair College #21 |
To all Pietenpol fans who are planning to use a corvair engine on their
planes, the next corvair college [ #21 ] will be held at Barnwell
Regional Airport, Barnwell, S. C. on November 11, 12, 13.
For those who are not familiar with a corvair college, it is a gathering
of aviation enthusiasts started by William Wynne in May of 2000 for
those who want expert information on building a corvair engine. Some
come to a college to build and test run their engines, some come to have
their engine parts expertly examined, others come to look and learn. All
go away having learned valuable information and having met numerous new
friends.
Because the colleges have gotten so popular, William has "twisted
several arms" and has gotten other experts who have also graciously
volunteered their time to attend and share their expertise. Roy
Szarafinski, Dan Weseman, Mark Petuniuas, Emory Luth, Mark Langford, Joe
Horton among others, are expected to be here this year as well as many
past college attendees.
More information is available at William's web site www.flycorvair.com
Local information about facilities at the airport are at
www.barnwellregionalairport.com .
For any specific info, send an e-mail to barnwellairport@bellsouth and
I'll answer promptly.
P. F. Beck
NX747PF
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| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! |
| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
Keri-Ann
Vi Kapler has built a propeller blade duplicator similar to the one in the video.
It works great if you have an original blade that you can use as a guide to
"copy". I am building a jig for my router that I intend to" copy " the individual
airfoil templates I create to rough out the blade stations for any propeller
blade that you design. This will just rough out the airfoil shape, but
will guide my carving and sanding tools to complete shaping the blades. I still
intend to use the templates to check the progress of the "shaping" and finishing.
So far I've experimented with a couple of pieces of 2X4 and it looks
pretty good. I would really like to observe a real prop carver install the brass
leading edge to the blades. Anyone know how that is done?
Dan
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| From: | Jeff Wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! |
I've checked into covering the leading edge with brass and the short story is that
it is nearly a lost art.
Quite difficult to do and maintain. Then there's balancing.
The clear laminate is much easier. Although not as ascetically appealing.
If you find a DIY guide, let us all know.
Jeff Wilson
St. Louis, MO
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 12, 2011, at 11:40 AM, "dwilson" wrote:
>
> Keri-Ann
>
> Vi Kapler has built a propeller blade duplicator similar to the one in the video.
It works great if you have an original blade that you can use as a guide
to "copy". I am building a jig for my router that I intend to" copy " the individual
airfoil templates I create to rough out the blade stations for any propeller
blade that you design. This will just rough out the airfoil shape, but
will guide my carving and sanding tools to complete shaping the blades. I
still intend to use the templates to check the progress of the "shaping" and finishing.
So far I've experimented with a couple of pieces of 2X4 and it looks
pretty good. I would really like to observe a real prop carver install the
brass leading edge to the blades. Anyone know how that is done?
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352051#352051
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair College #21 |
Hi PF. Please list me as an attendee for college 21. Cheers. Gardiner Mason
--- On Mon, 9/12/11, Barnwell Regional Airport wrote:
From: Barnwell Regional Airport <barnwellairport(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21
Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 11:33 AM
=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0ATo all Pietenpol fans who =0Aare planning to use a corv
air engine on their planes, the next corvair college [ =0A#21 ]- will be
held at =0A=0A Barnwell =0A Regional=0A Airport , Barnwell, S. C. on Novemb
er 11, =0A12, 13.=0A =0A- =0AFor those who are not =0Afamiliar with a cor
vair college, it is a gathering of aviation enthusiasts =0Astarted by Willi
am Wynne in May of 2000 for those who want expert information on =0Abuildin
g a corvair engine. Some come to a college to build and test run their =0Ae
ngines, some come to have their engine parts expertly examined, others come
to =0Alook and learn. All go away having learned valuable information and
having met =0Anumerous new friends. =0A- =0ABecause the colleges have
=0Agotten so popular, William has "twisted several arms" and has gotten-
-other experts who have also graciously =0Avolunteered their time to atte
nd and share their expertise. Roy Szarafinski, Dan =0AWeseman, Mark Petuniu
as, Emory Luth, Mark Langford, Joe Horton among others, are =0Aexpected to
be here this year as well as many past college attendees. =0A =0A- =0AMor
e information is =0Aavailable at William's web site www.flycorvair.com -
-Local =0Ainformation about facilities at the airport are at www.barnwell
regionalairport.com . =0A- =0AFor any specific info, send =0Aan e-mail to
barnwellairport@bellsouth and I'll answer =0Apromptly. =0A- =0AP. F. =0A
Beck =0ANX747PF
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair College #21 |
Mr. Beck, please sign me up for attendance at Corvair college #21.
Chuck Campbell, 229 Brooks Landing Drive, Winston-Salem, NC 27106 Just
received a Dan Weseman 5th Bearing kit. Hope to have my Corvair ready
to run at the college. Chuck NX 10003
----- Original Message -----
From: Barnwell Regional Airport
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21
To all Pietenpol fans who are planning to use a corvair engine on
their planes, the next corvair college [ #21 ] will be held at Barnwell
Regional Airport, Barnwell, S. C. on November 11, 12, 13.
For those who are not familiar with a corvair college, it is a
gathering of aviation enthusiasts started by William Wynne in May of
2000 for those who want expert information on building a corvair engine.
Some come to a college to build and test run their engines, some come to
have their engine parts expertly examined, others come to look and
learn. All go away having learned valuable information and having met
numerous new friends.
Because the colleges have gotten so popular, William has "twisted
several arms" and has gotten other experts who have also graciously
volunteered their time to attend and share their expertise. Roy
Szarafinski, Dan Weseman, Mark Petuniuas, Emory Luth, Mark Langford, Joe
Horton among others, are expected to be here this year as well as many
past college attendees.
More information is available at William's web site www.flycorvair.com
Local information about facilities at the airport are at
www.barnwellregionalairport.com .
For any specific info, send an e-mail to barnwellairport@bellsouth and
I'll answer promptly.
P. F. Beck
NX747PF
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
Matt You cant do dat, Thats what dad and I were contemplating building next
.- Unless..........they do away with tat damned ole 3rd class medical for
a private. then it will probably be a w-10 tailwind.- Saw one this weeke
nd at a fly in, 150hp and man did it move!
-
Shad
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| From: | "Barnwell Regional Airport" <barnwellairport(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair College #21 |
Registration is at
https://corvaircollege.wufoo.com/forms/corvair-college-21-registration .
Cal Hoffman
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Campbell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21
Mr. Beck, please sign me up for attendance at Corvair college #21.
Chuck Campbell, 229 Brooks Landing Drive, Winston-Salem, NC 27106 Just
received a Dan Weseman 5th Bearing kit. Hope to have my Corvair ready
to run at the college. Chuck NX 10003
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| From: | "Barnwell Regional Airport" <barnwellairport(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair College #21 |
Chuck,
I was not aware that Cal had answered your e-mail, so let me give a
little more detailed explanation.
The way the registration has been set up for years, is that each person
registers throught Ken Pavlou who collects all money through a Paypal
account. [ we have no way to collect the money ] and just before the
College starts, he will send me the collected money, a list of and an
address of each person and their e-mail addresses, along with a name
badge for each.
There is a page our airport web site [ www.barnwellregionalairport.com
] giving more detailed information.
All money collected goes to pay for food, drinks and supplies. All of us
here at the airport are volunteers.
If you have any specific questions, ask away and I'll answer promptly.
I can asure you that your will enjoy the college.
Thanks,
P. F. Beck
----- Original Message -----
From: Barnwell Regional Airport
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21
Registration is at
https://corvaircollege.wufoo.com/forms/corvair-college-21-registration .
Cal Hoffman
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Campbell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21
Mr. Beck, please sign me up for attendance at Corvair college #21.
Chuck Campbell, 229 Brooks Landing Drive, Winston-Salem, NC 27106 Just
received a Dan Weseman 5th Bearing kit. Hope to have my Corvair ready
to run at the college. Chuck NX 10003
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| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank ! |
| From: | "Brett Phillips" <bphillip(at)shentel.net> |
While watching the videos Keri Ann posted, I ran into this gem. The methods used
by the workers in this video are almost as fascinating as their youth and skills.
Enjoy!
Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9UbnJlhrHA
Part Two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR3e8waXuWk
Part Three: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS-XqOsxBHY
Brett Phillips
Strasburg, VA
NX311GP
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !2 |
tanks for talk whit us these great idea copy blade for propeler . I like to
now if you have ha set of plans to make these copie machine router copie b
lades propeller i like to make one for my antique stile propeller tanks aga
in jorge from hanford
--- On Mon, 9/12/11, dwilson wrote:
From: dwilson <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !
Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 9:40 AM
Keri-Ann
Vi Kapler has built a propeller blade duplicator similar to the one in the
video.- It works great if you have an original blade that you can use as
a guide to "copy".- I am building a jig for my router that I intend to" c
opy "- the individual airfoil templates I create to rough out the blade s
tations for any propeller blade that you design.- This will just rough ou
t the airfoil shape, but will guide my carving and sanding tools to complet
e shaping the blades.- I still intend to use the templates to check the p
rogress of the "shaping" and finishing.- So far I've experimented with a
couple of pieces of 2X4 and it looks pretty good.---I would really li
ke to observe a real prop carver install the brass leading edge to the blad
es.- Anyone know how that is done?
Dan
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le, List Admin.
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Push-pull set-up |
Of course anyone who has seen Dick Navratil's gorgeous
Rotec-powered Piet noticed the outboard bellcranks and
elevator control cables. I don't know how much the Rotec
weighs but it must give him a bit of luxury of adding
things aft of the pilot's seat=2C compared to an aircraft
flat-four or even a Corvair=2C to balance the weight of the
radial out there. I'm just guessing here. Anyway=2C it
really gives his airplane a distinctive and old-timey
look. Also makes preflight inspection easy =3Bo)
As far as building to plans=2C didn't the very early Sky
Scout or Air Camper have outboard bellcranks for the
elevator cables? Maybe my memory is fading but I seem
to remember seeing them that way "back in the day".
As far as the original engine configuration=2C the saying
"real FBOs carry antifreeze" says it all.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford=2C OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Barnwell Regional Airport" <barnwellairport(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Corvair College #21 at Barnwell , S. C. |
When I posted the notice yesterday about Corvair College #21 to be held
at the Barnwell Regional Airport, I got some prompt reply's saying "sign
me up".
I should have made it clear that I do not handle registrations. William
Wynne made arangements some years back with Ken Pavlou who take's care
of registrations using a Paypal account. To register, go to
https://corvaircollege.wufoo.com/forms/corvair-college-21-registration/
I would suggest that anyone planning to be here take a look at the
airport web site for detailed information. It's
www.barnwellregionalairport.com
For many, many years, I have attended the annual Brodhead Pietenpol fly
in [ and the folk's there do a great job ]. I'm always asked "why don't
you fly your Piet to Brodhead"? My answer is "It's a long way across the
mountains". Yes, I know that Kevin fly's in from Texas, but he's younger
and tougher. :]
Perhaps it time to start having regional Pietenpol fly in's so people
who might not be able to attend Brodhead can come see their favorite
airplanes. This would in NO WAY be intended to compete with Brodhead.
What better time than to start with a Pietenpol fly in at Barnwell to
held in conjunction with the Corvair College. After all, some of the
engines that will be built here will go on Pietenpols.
If you have an interest in attending or would plan to fly in with your
Piet, please let me know so I can see if we have enough interest and can
start planning. Please reply directly to barnwellairport(at)bellsouth.net
This would in no way compete with the Corvair College.
My apoligies for such a long post. It will not happen again.
thanks,
P. F. Beck
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair College #21 at Barnwell , S. C. |
Great idea PF. Gardiner
--- On Tue, 9/13/11, Barnwell Regional Airport wrote:
From: Barnwell Regional Airport <barnwellairport(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College #21 at Barnwell , S. C.
Date: Tuesday, September 13, 2011, 8:59 AM
=0A=0A =0A =0A=0AWhen I posted the notice yesterday about Corvair =0AColleg
e #21 to be held at the Barnwell Regional Airport, I got some prompt =0Arep
ly's saying "sign me up".=0A-=0AI should have made it clear that I do not
handle =0Aregistrations. William Wynne made arangements some years back wi
th Ken Pavlou =0Awho take's care of registrations using a Paypal account. T
o register, go to =0A=0Ahttps://corvaircollege.wufoo.com/forms/corvair-coll
ege-21-registration/ =0A=0A-=0AI would suggest that anyone planning to be
here =0Atake a look at the airport web site for detailed information. It's
www.barnwellregionalairport.com =0A=0A-=0AFor many, many years, I have a
ttended the annual =0ABrodhead Pietenpol fly in [ and the folk's there do a
great job ]. I'm always =0Aasked "why don't you fly your Piet to Brodhead"
? My answer is "It's a long way =0Aacross the mountains". Yes, I know that
Kevin fly's in from Texas, but he's =0Ayounger and tougher. :]=0A-=0APerh
aps it time to start having regional Pietenpol =0Afly in's so people-who
might not be able to attend Brodhead can come see =0Atheir favorite airplan
es. This would in-NO WAY-be intended to compete =0Awith Brodhead. =0A
-=0AWhat better time than to start with a Pietenpol fly =0Ain at Barnwell
to held in conjunction with the Corvair College. After all, some =0Aof the
engines that will be built here will go on Pietenpols.=0A-=0AIf you have
an interest in attending or would plan =0Ato fly in with your Piet, please
let me know so I can see if we have enough =0Ainterest and can start plann
ing. Please reply directly to barnwellairport(at)bellsouth.net-This =0Awould
in no way compete with the Corvair College.=0A-=0AMy apoligies for such
a long post. It will not =0Ahappen again.=0A-=0Athanks,=0A-=0AP. F. Bec
k
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| Subject: | How To Resize Airfoils |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
There was a recent posting on the Pietenpol List by Dan Wilson asking help in resizing
a Clark Y Airfoil in different sizes for his propeller project by using
coordinates on an excel spreadsheet that he had provided. I did not respond
initially, because, frankly I did not know how to help him with Excel. I figured
that there were plenty of computer wizards out there that could help with what
he asked. When I saw that he did not receive a prompt response, I contacted
him, and we were able to accomplish what he needed. He was so impressed with
the results of what I was able to do with a different program, he suggested that
I put it down on paper, as it might help other prop cutters or other builders
out there. So here is how I helped Dan. First, the caveat. I am not an engineer.
I was a Liberal Arts major in college, and like to refer to myself as merely
a computer semi-literate. I tried to learn a CAD program this past weekend,
and I gave up because it made my head hurt, and I just did not understand
how to use it.
I may discuss or describe some things in this attached paper that some of the computer
experts and Mac experts may completely disagree with, but all I can say
is, it worked for me. While I am no engineer or computer expert and I cant figure
out a CAD program, what I am fairly proficient with is a Program that is
an Apple Product, called Pages. Before I go on, Let me say this. You may not
be a Mac user, but I would bet that you know someone that is a Mac user, and you
can get them to do this work for you. So, for all of you Windows users, please
take a look, or at least print this out and hand it to your Mac addict.....
I hope that it helps someone out there. If you still need help. please feel free
to email me, and I am happy to walk you through the method. It isn't really
hard once you have done it a few times.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| Subject: | Re: How To Resize Airfoils |
| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
Terry, Great Job ! Your instructions were very easy to follow. Jim Markle,
what do you think ? You should be able to create templates for all of your propeller
stations with this method. Terry's method works perfectly, and it prints
to the exact size you need for making templates. If you would like to use
an airfoil other than the Clark Y for your prop all you need to do is crop a
picture of it and use this method to size it for the chord length at each station.
You can make as many as you want along the entire length of your prop blade
if that helped you get to down to the actual blade. I've got to get back
to the carving...
Dan
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: How To Resize Airfoils |
>
>Terry, Great Job ! Your instructions were very easy to follow. Jim Markle,
what do you think ?
First, I LOVE the pdf! That's great stuff!
Second, I'm wondering why I didn't think about "resizing" before! But then I've
had zero original ideas for any of my Piet project so why should this be any
different???? What an elegant solution though!
This is good information and thanks to all!!!
Jim
You should be able to create templates for all of your propeller stations with
this method. Terry's method works perfectly, and it prints to the exact size
you need for making templates. If you would like to use an airfoil other than
the Clark Y for your prop all you need to do is crop a picture of it and use
this method to size it for the chord length at each station. You can make as
many as you want along the entire length of your prop blade if that helped you
get to down to the actual blade. I've got to get back to the carving...
>
>Dan
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing gear questions |
Just asking a simple question.....
Is the wooded landing gear correctly place aft in relationship to the control of
the plane when landing? I though I read something about William Wynn making
the comment (regardless of engine selection) the gear set-up should be move more
Aft to proivide better ground control during landings and take-offs.
Constructive comments only, please!
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear questions |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
In building the wooden landing gear "to the plans", the thing to keep in mind is
that the wooden gear, as drawn, was designed for use on the FGM fuselage, with
26" diameter wheels, without brakes. It should be perfectly positioned for
THAT application. The wooden gear can be used on the other two fuselages as well,
but with adjustments made as required.
It has been recommended many times that if brakes are used, the axle should be
moved forward a bit (maybe a couple of inches), relative to the CG. However, if
the axle is too far forward, the plane will not handle well on the ground, as
there will be too much weight aft of the wheels (the point of contact with the
immovable earth).
Effectively, the landing gear attachment points are fixed (located at the lift
strut attachment brackets, which are related to the fuselage structure, and ash
cross-piece, etc) and the axle position is adjustable (until you actually build
it). If you're building the "long" fuselage, you've got some head scratching
to do to figure out your landing gear attachment points, since they are not
shown in the drawings. By adjusting the lengths of the landing gear legs, the
axle position can be shifted fore or aft as needed. At the same time, the deck
angle can also be adjusted as needed to suit the diameter of wheels that you
have chosen for your plane.
There - that should be as clear as mud.
Bill C.
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| From: | JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com> |
Dick, Did you mail the copy of the fuse we talked about at Blakesburg? If so, Thanks
I look forward to receiving it. If you have not mailed it yet, please send
it to my home address, 4220 W. Southmor Road, Morris, IL 60450. Thanks for
the advice and encouragement.
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: How To Resize Airfoils |
| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
Great Question ! I was asked how did you figure out how long the chord of the
airfoil was 24 inches away from the hub center. For those that are interested,
Go back and look at the drawing of the airfoil plan for my propeller. Notice
that the dimension of the front face of the propeller is 4.77 inches. The
thickness of the propeller at this station is 1. 27 inches. If you draw a diagonal
line from the leading edge to the trailing edge it forms a right triangle.
The chord is the hypotenuse of the right triangle. Remember A squared plus
B squared = C squared. In my example 4.77 squared + 1.27 squared = 24.36.
The square root of 24.36 = 4.93 inches. I think this is on the spreadsheet that
I attached earlier. And there are no dumb questions. Had I not asked how to
size airfoils, I'd still be scratching my head instead of making saw dust. I
needed a little help from the group. Thank You !
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | It rolls before it flies |
Good People...
Here are some shots of Jim "Pickle Man" Haklin's Slovakian Pietenpol. Last Saturday
Jim and his Pietenpol were stars in the annual Valparaiso Indiana , Orville
Redenbacher Popcorn Festival Parade. He did a great job with stearing on the
parade route w/o one ground loop, and yes He did not disconcert the masses.
Jim is close to engine start up now so first flight should not be far off.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| From: | "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | FW: It rolls before it flies |
Lets try this again with pictures this time!
Richard Schreiber
lmforge(at)earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
Sent: 9/13/2011 3:59:50 PM
Subject: It rolls before it flies
Good People...
Here are some shots of Jim "Pickle Man" Haklin's Slovakian Pietenpol. Last Saturday
Jim and his Pietenpol were stars in the annual Valparaiso Indiana , Orville
Redenbacher Popcorn Festival Parade. He did a great job with stearing on the
parade route w/o one ground loop, and yes He did not disconcert the masses.
Jim is close to engine start up now so first flight should not be far off.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Plan to get that blade out of the blank !2 |
Hi Vic,
How are you and Mike doing on the covering and painting? How about some update
pictures?
thanks and say Hi to Mike.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: How To Resize Airfoils |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
I have a program called Profili 2 that will plot about 1000 different airfoils.
It originated in Italy. It was developed for ribs but will do exactly what you
guys are talking about. I think you can download it free but it won't print
or save. Basically you tell it
1 airfoil and chord width at start or big end
2 airfoil and chord width at small end
3 tell it how many ribs or templates you want
4 OK
Now you can print the drawings or in my case I export them to DXF files for cutting
on my router. I am not trying to sell the product just showing what is out
there. I just went to the web site and the basic program I have is 15 Euros.
I have used the program for 10 years to make rib sets models .... sailplanes
and powered.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop
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| Subject: | Re: How To Resize Airfoils |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Dan,
Why did you choose the Clark Y?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: dwilson <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2011 3:17 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: How To Resize Airfoils
Great Question ! I was asked how did you figure out how long the chord of
the
irfoil was 24 inches away from the hub center. For those that are interest
ed,
o back and look at the drawing of the airfoil plan for my propeller. Notic
e
hat the dimension of the front face of the propeller is 4.77 inches. The
hickness of the propeller at this station is 1. 27 inches. If you draw a
iagonal line from the leading edge to the trailing edge it forms a right
riangle. The chord is the hypotenuse of the right triangle. Remember A
quared plus B squared = C squared. In my example 4.77 squared + 1.27 squ
ared =
4.36. The square root of 24.36 = 4.93 inches. I think this is on the
preadsheet that I attached earlier. And there are no dumb questions. Had I
not
sked how to size airfoils, I'd still be scratching my head instead of makin
g
aw dust. I needed a little help from the group. Thank You !
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| Subject: | How to Resize Airfoils - Windows Version |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I spoke at length with Dan Wilson today and he convinced me to do a similar how-to
guide for Windows users. So check back in a couple of days. My goal is to
do it with freeware, so it costs nothing for you to do this.
Nothing against Profili. I just like free better. Check back in a day or so.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Hi Joe
Sorry for the delay, yes it went out yesterday. Sorry for the delay.
It went to the address on the card you gave me.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: JOSEPH SWITHIN
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 2:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dick N.
Dick, Did you mail the copy of the fuse we talked about at Blakesburg?
If so, Thanks I look forward to receiving it. If you have not mailed it
yet, please send it to my home address, 4220 W. Southmor Road, Morris,
IL 60450. Thanks for the advice and encouragement.
Joe
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| From: | Grover Summers <oldaeroplaneworks(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Can anyone identify this plane? |
Could be a Les Long "Longster". Look at the EAA's 1931 "Flying and Glider Manual".
My father discovered it in a building near his house.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Hw to Resize Airfoils using a PC and Windows |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Here is the information I promised I would put together for the Windows users.
I hope that it helps someone along in their project, and thanks for letting me
be a help. If you have any questions at all, please email me off line and I would
be happy to help.
jarheadpilot82 (at) gmail (dot) com
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| From: | JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks Dick, I appreciate your help.
Joe
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Not Pietenpol related but appropriate anyway |
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| Subject: | Re: Not Pietenpol related but appropriate anyway |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
There is nothing attached, Tom.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Not Pietenpol related but appropriate - second try |
Something did not work right the last time I tried this so now there is
an attached photo rather than one that is imbedded in the message. Hope
it works this time.
Tom
Taken at the National Cemetery in Minneapolis on a June morning as it
appeared in the Minneapolis Star/Tribune.
Talk about a picture being worth a thousand words!!! It says everything
without a single word.
This should become an official Memorial Day, 4th of July and/or
Veterans Day remembrance photo; Our symbol standing guard.
Semper Fidelis" ~ "Always Faithful"
photo by Frank Glick-MSP
I couldn't help myself - this just needed to be passed on.
Stinemetze
____ | ____
\8/
o/ \o
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | for West coast Pieters only |
I'm going to reply to Vic's post here, not to add clutter or take
the list in a different direction, but to sort of help keep us West
coast Pieters in contact with one another. Where we live up on the
side of a hill we have some mountain quail and I was telling my wife
the other day that when the covey scatters or is spooked, they all
take to the air and land in different spots but soon after they
land, they begin calling to each other to regroup the covey. So
let's say we're regrouping. Vic wrote-
>I see that you are now in Medford.
Yep. Just 30-40 miles up Interstate 5 from the N. California border
and in some beautiful territory. The Rogue Valley.
>if you fly the Piet north next spring stop in in Tulare Ca.
I intend to, if I fly up that way (and I probably will). I want to
visit Jorge in Hanford, Gary in Cool, and the world famous Chris Tracy
(westcoastpiet.com) in the Sacramento area along the way. And so
many more flying friends, too.
>We have a local airport and an extra bedroom and
>my wife makes home made tacos and enchiladas.
Stop. You had me at "airport", but I'll readily dive right in
to the Mexican food! I am missing my $4.95 lunch plates from San
Antonio... and someone came by the other day offering tamales for
$22 a dozen. I would be laughed out of the room if I tried that
in south Texas! And my $4.95 lunch enchilada plate in Texas costs
me $8.95 here in Oregon, and it's not near as good. Sob, sob. These
are the tradeoffs that we make in life.
>You mentioned friends in Hanford?
Yes, my friend Pat Panzera, publisher and editor of Contact! magazine (for which
I am a proofreader and editor), and editor of the EAA online Experimenter
publication, lives in Hanford. Also, one of my partners in
the engineering business is from Tulare (farming family) and his wife is
from Tehachapi. I can land
Scout pretty much anywhere in the central valley since it's flat and
friendly. I had wanted to fly up here this fall but it's not looking like
it will happen till spring.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
As usual I am responding to a thread that died out a couple of weeks ago
concerning putting in a step for the pilot. Early on while I was buying
metal parts from Ken Perkins in Olathe, KS he made an offhand comment that
caught my ear. He said that if he had it to do over again he would put in
a sliding pipe setup that could be slid in and out as needed. I took his
idea and came up with this setup. Basically it consists of two pieces of
tubing with one that slides snugly within the second. The outer tube is
about 8 inches long and the inner about 14 inches. These were scraps at
the time and I don't recall the wall thickness but they were not particular
ly heavy.
The outer tube has a "V" notch cut in one end that the retaining bolt
slides into when the step is extended. The inner tube has a washer welded
on one end and a retaining bolt near the other end. The outer tube is
secured with two metal straps that are tack welded only. Believe me this
tack weld is more than sufficient to warp the outer tube which caused me
some grief BUT when the straps were bolted down they pulled the warp right
out and the two tubes slid snuggly but freely again. I mounted the
assembly on a piece of 1 inch ash directly over the 1/4 inch floor ply in
the corner where the seat former and diagonal brace meet. This gives lots
of gluing surface plus the four bolts which pass completely through the
floor with washers and nuts underneath. I have stood on this (all 220 lbs
of me) and bounced with no ill effects. I will not make any final
judgement on proper placement of the step until I get the wing center
section up on the cabanes which, praise the Lord, is not too far down the
road.
By the way, all the blind nuts on the seat stringers are from a discarded
trim system. I do learn - - - eventually.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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| Subject: | Re: for West coast Pieters only |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Seattle (Issaquah actually) is also on the West Coast....... Home of "the world's
smallest airplane factory..... (OK, so it may not be the world's smallest but
it's pretty small.........)
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: for West coast Pieters only |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Oscar,
Your are welcome to my house and airport on the way up also. KWJF Fox Field in
Lancaster, CA. Heck, I might even be able to make part of the trip with you.
Two ship sounds fun. Just let me know what you want to do and I'll do what
I can to make it work.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: for West coast Pieters only |
Hi Oscar,
Not to clutter up your route any more than necessary! but I am in Santa Rosa, CA
just 50 miles North of San Francisco. Sonoma County is home to EAA Chapter 124;
and my Piet is not quite as far along as Gary and Mike and Vic's but if you
should be blown off course by the great valleys prevailing winds you are welcome
to stop here as well. We have a great mexican restaurant, family run as well;
La Bufa.
Anyway let me know as well where you will be landing as I can make it to most places
here in Northern CA in a reasonable time.
Cheers and have a good flight whenever you manage to bring Scout North.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: for West coast Pieters only |
Jake, No!, yours is not the smallest. I saw a picture on the British Piet
site where a fellow built a Piet in a one-car garage. I'm using a two-car
garage and that's pretty tight -- don't know how he did it. C
----- Original Message -----
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 12:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: for West coast Pieters only
>
>
> Seattle (Issaquah actually) is also on the West Coast....... Home of "the
> world's smallest airplane factory..... (OK, so it may not be the world's
> smallest but it's pretty small.........)
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352380#352380
>
>
>
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
Hi Tom,
Your step is looking good; but... I was going to put my step in almost the same
spot. It is too far forward; you will hit your head constantly on the wing center
section, or the corner of the wing even if you have a cut out.
I moved my to about four inches behind the rear seat back; and if I forget I still
bump my head once in awhile.
Cheers,
Jim B.
PS I like the way you did your step though; my is permanently out.
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| Subject: | Mitsubishi engine run up with prop! |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
Finally was able to do a few tests with the engine mounted to the airframe and
the 76 x 42 prop..........pretty much ran like a dream! was able to get to 1950
rpm. if i crossed 2000 rpm the engine would start to cough a little bit. The
starter worked real well too.
here is the youtube link.
http://youtu.be/sp24Odus-oU
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| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi engine run up with prop! |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Chris,
That looks and sounds GREAT. What a great day for you.What thrust numbers did
you see? I believe you will start a new movement with that arrangement. Can
you say Mitsubishi Collage?
Congrats,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi engine run up with prop! |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
It pulled 280 lbs.....at 1950 rpm
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| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi engine run up with prop! |
| From: | jim_markle(at)mindspring.com |
That's excellent! Was that a scale? If so, what was the reading? (I couldn't
read those hand signals!)
Congratulations on a VERY nice sounding engine too!
JM
------Original Message------
From: Chris Rusch
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mitsubishi engine run up with prop!
Sent: Sep 15, 2011 3:30 PM
Finally was able to do a few tests with the engine mounted to the airframe and
the 76 x 42 prop..........pretty much ran like a dream! was able to get to 1950
rpm. if i crossed 2000 rpm the engine would start to cough a little bit. The
starter worked real well too.
here is the youtube link.
http://youtu.be/sp24Odus-oU
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| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi engine run up with prop! |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Very nice!
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Mitsubishi engine run up with prop! |
Looks and sounds great, Chris! Did the guy in the back say "275?"
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 1:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mitsubishi engine run up with prop!
Finally was able to do a few tests with the engine mounted to the airframe
and the 76 x 42 prop..........pretty much ran like a dream! was able to get
to 1950 rpm. if i crossed 2000 rpm the engine would start to cough a little
bit. The starter worked real well too.
here is the youtube link.
http://youtu.be/sp24Odus-oU
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| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi engine run up with prop! |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Chris:
You should be congratulated by a great number of Pietenpol Wan-bes.
I will be one of them.
The top end is an easy cure to get power at full throttle, without burning valves.
due to a lean mixture. With the prop shaft extension, a smooth look and an
excellent air flow will be a result.
What cooling radiator do you use, and where is it placed ? If you keep a good air
space between the top of the radiator and the bottom of the wing, it will give
you added lift where the air velocity is the greatest.
I have a good 10 inches with a cross-flow radiator, flying feel is very different
with the added lift, if interested in my installation give me a shout on my
Email,
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi engine run up with prop! |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
Pieti Lowell wrote:
> Chris:
> You should be congratulated by a great number of Pietenpol Wan-bes.
> I will be one of them.
> The top end is an easy cure to get power at full throttle, without burning valves.
due to a lean mixture. With the prop shaft extension, a smooth look and
an excellent air flow will be a result.
> What cooling radiator do you use, and where is it placed ? If you keep a good
air space between the top of the radiator and the bottom of the wing, it will
give you added lift where the air velocity is the greatest.
> I have a good 10 inches with a cross-flow radiator, flying feel is very different
with the added lift, if interested in my installation give me a shout on
my Email,
> Pieti Lowell
thanks!
After looking over your plane at brodhead, i mounted my radiator the same way.
i had a custom aluminum crossflow radiator built for 250 bucks. weighs only 8lbs.
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| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi engine run up with prop! |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
dfwplt wrote:
> That's excellent! Was that a scale? If so, what was the reading? (I couldn't
read those hand signals!)
> Congratulations on a VERY nice sounding engine too!
> JM
>
>
> ---
Thanks,
it was 280 lbs.........
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| From: | "Larry Morlock" <l.morlock(at)att.net> |
I have a question on CG limits. I have just completed the weight and
balance calculations on my Pietenpol (Model A engine, one piece wing,
see attached). My CG is within the limit of no more than 20 inches
behind the wing leading edge - just barely. Is there any value to
moving the wing back another inch so it has some margin ahead of the 20
inch limit?
Here's the numbers I calculated:
Empty weight with oil and water - 710 lbs
CG with 200 lb pilot and 10 gallons of fuel - 19.9 in behind LE
CG with 170 lb passenger - 20.1 in behind LE
The cabanes are already 2.5 inches back from vertical. Theoretically, I
am OK with the wing as it is, but would it be better to have it more
toward the center of the allowable CG range?
Appreciate any thoughts.
Larry Morlock
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| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi engine run up with prop! |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Looks and sounds great, Chris! You have a right to be proud of that!
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
I fabricated the elevator and rudder control horns over the past couple of days
to the plans. Fun work and a good test of my newly acquired gas welding skills.
I have a question for those of you who built them to the plans. After zinc
chromating them it occurred to me that there will be a large area of unprotected
metal inside the horn since the forward end that attaches to the wooden
spar of the control surface is open ("butterflied" if you will to attach to the
spar). What can be done to protect this bare metal? I thought of spraying
linseed oil or fluid film into the opening and sloshing it around. I'm not keen
on seeing corrosion on these horns which are so visible on the completed aircraft
(not to mention they are a requirement for controlled flight!).
Regards to all Pietenpol builders and fliers out there.
Scott Knowlton
Burlington Ontario
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Larry,
First, congrats on making such a nice looking Pietenpol!
I think you'll probably be OK, but your CG is slightly aft of mine. Mine
has the CG at 19.63" aft of the leading edge with me, full fuel and no
passenger. Adding a 170 lb passenger moves it to 19.68" aft of LE. My wing
is 3.75" aft of vertical.
Did you include water in the radiator when doing your weight and balance?
That will help.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Morlock
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: CG Question
I have a question on CG limits. I have just completed the weight and
balance calculations on my Pietenpol (Model A engine, one piece wing, see
attached). My CG is within the limit of no more than 20 inches behind the
wing leading edge - just barely. Is there any value to moving the wing back
another inch so it has some margin ahead of the 20 inch limit?
Here's the numbers I calculated:
Empty weight with oil and water - 710 lbs
CG with 200 lb pilot and 10 gallons of fuel - 19.9 in behind LE
CG with 170 lb passenger - 20.1 in behind LE
The cabanes are already 2.5 inches back from vertical. Theoretically, I am
OK with the wing as it is, but would it be better to have it more toward the
center of the allowable CG range?
Appreciate any thoughts.
Larry Morlock
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Scott,
Good question. I put LPS Corrosion prevention spray in mine, spraying it
around inside as well as I could after priming with epoxy primer (which I
also sprayed inside as well as possible).
This brings up a good point to add to your annual condition inspection - to
grab and twist each horn to determine if they are rusted through internally.
It would be a pain in the butt to replace them once the airplane is flying,
but better to find it at inspection than in flight.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Knowlton
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
I fabricated the elevator and rudder control horns over the past couple of
days to the plans. Fun work and a good test of my newly acquired gas
welding skills. I have a question for those of you who built them to the
plans. After zinc chromating them it occurred to me that there will be a
large area of unprotected metal inside the horn since the forward end that
attaches to the wooden spar of the control surface is open ("butterflied" if
you will to attach to the spar). What can be done to protect this bare
metal? I thought of spraying linseed oil or fluid film into the opening
and sloshing it around. I'm not keen on seeing corrosion on these horns
which are so visible on the completed aircraft (not to mention they are a
requirement for controlled flight!).
Regards to all Pietenpol builders and fliers out there.
Scott Knowlton
Burlington Ontario
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| From: | Jim Courtney <jbciii5656(at)yahoo.com> |
I haven't built mine yet (but I have plans from Don)...From the Air Force L
oadmaster standpoint, I can tell you that an airplane is more 'touchy' at s
low speed with a CG toward the aft limits than one-closer to the normal l
imits of the design...A stall can be more violent and it would be easier fo
r the airplane to flip over on its back or-flatten our to a spin-(Altho
ugh, I have never had a C-130 do that...LOL)...A more forward CG (within li
mits)-will-allow an airplane to glide with more stability without power
....Control pressures might feel a little heavier with the CG further away
from the aft-limits but that shouldn't be any concern with this most-ex
cellent aeroplane design....I'm sure actual builders and fliers of our belo
ved Air Camper can add good counsel with details to your quest for informat
ion.=0A-=0AHappy building!=0A-=0AJim Courtney=0A=0AFrom: Larry Morlock
=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, Se
ptember 15, 2011 9:11 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: CG Question=0A=0A=0A
=0AI have a question on CG limits.- I have just =0Acompleted the weight a
nd balance calculations on my Pietenpol (Model A engine, =0Aone piece wing,
see attached).- My CG is within the limit of-no more =0Athan 20 inches
behind the-wing leading edge - just barely.- =0AIs-there any-value
to moving the wing back another inch so it has some =0Amargin ahead of the
20 inch limit? =0A=0AHere's the numbers I calculated: =0A=0AEmpty weight w
ith oil and water - 710 =0Albs =0ACG with 200 lb pilot and-10-gallons o
f =0Afuel - 19.9 in behind LE =0ACG-with 170 lb passenger - 20.1 in behin
d =0ALE =0A=0AThe cabanes are already 2.5 inches back from =0Avertical.-
Theoretically, I am OK with the wing as it is, but would it be =0Abetter to
have it more toward the center of the allowable CG range? =0A- =0AApprec
iate any thoughts. =0A- =0A--- Larry Morlock
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
Hi Larry,
What a nice looking Piet. It is very pretty with the colors you have chosen. I
really like it.
As to the CG I can only say a lot of Piets have their cabanes back about 4 inces
so it might help the pitch sensitivity to put them back another half inch.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | way to go Chris!! |
Awesome work Chris, congrats!! Will make a beautiful engine!!!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: way to go Chris!! |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
Thanks Douwe, you will like it when you see it.......
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
In layman's terms, the reason a plane gets more "Twitchy" with an aft CG is the
shortened distance between the CG (moved aft) and the elevator.
Move the CG forward and the plane becomes more stable. When the CG is too far forward,
the plane becomes so stable that the required response may be too slow
or not possible. IE too far forward a CG and you can't get a good flare when
required.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Courtney <jbciii5656(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Friday, September 16, 2011 6:59
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CG Question
> I haven't built mine yet (but I have plans from Don)...From the Air
> Force Loadmaster standpoint, I can tell you that an airplane is
> more 'touchy' at slow speed with a CG toward the aft limits than
> onecloser to the normal limits of the design...A stall can be more
> violent and it would be easier for the airplane to flip over on its
> back orflatten our to a spin(Although, I have never had a C-130
> do that...LOL)...A more forward CG (within limits)willallow an
> airplane to glide with more stability without power....Control
> pressures might feel a little heavier with the CG further away from
> the aftlimits but that shouldn't be any concern with this
> mostexcellent aeroplane design....I'm sure actual builders and
> fliers of our beloved Air Camper can add good counsel with details
> to your quest for information.
>
> Happy building!
>
> Jim Courtney
>
> From: Larry Morlock <
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:11 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: CG Question
>
>
>
> I have a question on CG limits. I have just
> completed the weight and balance calculations on my Pietenpol (Model A engine,
> one piece wing, see attached). My CG is within the limit ofno more
> than 20 inches behind thewing leading edge - just barely.
> Isthere anyvalue to moving the wing back another inch so it has some
> margin ahead of the 20 inch limit?
>
> Here's the numbers I calculated:
>
> Empty weight with oil and water - 710
> lbs
> CG with 200 lb pilot and10gallons of
> fuel - 19.9 in behind LE
> CGwith 170 lb passenger - 20.1 in behind
> LE
>
> The cabanes are already 2.5 inches back from
> vertical. Theoretically, I am OK with the wing as it is, but would it be
> better to have it more toward the center of the allowable CG range?
>
> Appreciate any thoughts.
>
> Larry Morlock
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| From: | Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com> |
I thought the reason for the increased sensitivity was due to the Center of Gravity
becoming closer to the wing's Center of Pressure.
I guess it's time to dig out my textbooks...
Wayne Bressler
Taildraggers, Inc.
www.taildraggersinc.com
On Sep 16, 2011, at 12:20 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM"
wrote:
>
> In layman's terms, the reason a plane gets more "Twitchy" with an aft CG is the
shortened distance between the CG (moved aft) and the elevator.
>
> Move the CG forward and the plane becomes more stable. When the CG is too far
forward, the plane becomes so stable that the required response may be too slow
or not possible. IE too far forward a CG and you can't get a good flare when
required.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Courtney <jbciii5656(at)yahoo.com>
> Date: Friday, September 16, 2011 6:59
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CG Question
> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
>
>
>> I haven't built mine yet (but I have plans from Don)...From the Air
>> Force Loadmaster standpoint, I can tell you that an airplane is
>> more 'touchy' at slow speed with a CG toward the aft limits than
>> one closer to the normal limits of the design...A stall can be more
>> violent and it would be easier for the airplane to flip over on its
>> back or flatten our to a spin (Although, I have never had a C-130
>> do that...LOL)...A more forward CG (within limits) will allow an
>> airplane to glide with more stability without power....Control
>> pressures might feel a little heavier with the CG further away from
>> the aft limits but that shouldn't be any concern with this
>> most excellent aeroplane design....I'm sure actual builders and
>> fliers of our beloved Air Camper can add good counsel with details
>> to your quest for information.
>>
>> Happy building!
>>
>> Jim Courtney
>>
>> From: Larry Morlock <
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:11 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: CG Question
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a question on CG limits. I have just
>> completed the weight and balance calculations on my Pietenpol (Model A engine,
>> one piece wing, see attached). My CG is within the limit of no more
>> than 20 inches behind the wing leading edge - just barely.
>> Is there any value to moving the wing back another inch so it has some
>> margin ahead of the 20 inch limit?
>>
>> Here's the numbers I calculated:
>>
>> Empty weight with oil and water - 710
>> lbs
>> CG with 200 lb pilot and 10 gallons of
>> fuel - 19.9 in behind LE
>> CG with 170 lb passenger - 20.1 in behind
>> LE
>>
>> The cabanes are already 2.5 inches back from
>> vertical. Theoretically, I am OK with the wing as it is, but would it be
>> better to have it more toward the center of the allowable CG range?
>>
>> Appreciate any thoughts.
>>
>> Larry Morlock
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Control horns |
Thanks Jack. Good advice. It is amazing the little things that don't occur to
a builder until he actually holds a completed part in his hand.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:33:49
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
Scott,
Good question. I put LPS Corrosion prevention spray in mine, spraying it
around inside as well as I could after priming with epoxy primer (which I
also sprayed inside as well as possible).
This brings up a good point to add to your annual condition inspection - to
grab and twist each horn to determine if they are rusted through internally.
It would be a pain in the butt to replace them once the airplane is flying,
but better to find it at inspection than in flight.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Knowlton
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control horns
I fabricated the elevator and rudder control horns over the past couple of
days to the plans. Fun work and a good test of my newly acquired gas
welding skills. I have a question for those of you who built them to the
plans. After zinc chromating them it occurred to me that there will be a
large area of unprotected metal inside the horn since the forward end that
attaches to the wooden spar of the control surface is open ("butterflied" if
you will to attach to the spar). What can be done to protect this bare
metal? I thought of spraying linseed oil or fluid film into the opening
and sloshing it around. I'm not keen on seeing corrosion on these horns
which are so visible on the completed aircraft (not to mention they are a
requirement for controlled flight!).
Regards to all Pietenpol builders and fliers out there.
Scott Knowlton
Burlington Ontario
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| Subject: | Re: Control horns |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
I sprayed zinc chromate inside and sloshed it around....
followed by my welder at work welding the metal tab on the piece. He was shocked
and amazed when the internal zinc chromate caught on fire and starting spewing
noxious gas at him.
I learned about welding/painting sequence from that one.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Control horns |
| From: | Amsafetc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
Really?
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 16, 2011, at 8:05 PM, "kevinpurtee" wrote:
>
> I sprayed zinc chromate inside and sloshed it around....
>
> followed by my welder at work welding the metal tab on the piece. He was shocked
and amazed when the internal zinc chromate caught on fire and starting spewing
noxious gas at him.
>
> I learned about welding/painting sequence from that one.
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352491#352491
>
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| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
While on the subject of bungee chord, I have a mate who is ordering a pile of it
so im going to buy mine now. Im building the straight axle and am wondering
what approx length the chords need to be?
Thank you in advance.
Scotty
--------
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
I always order 20 feet of 1/2" bungee. You actually need about 6-7 feet per
side, but you need enough of a "handle" to be able to tension it. 20 feet
works out about right.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shock Cord
-->
While on the subject of bungee chord, I have a mate who is ordering a pile
of it so im going to buy mine now. Im building the straight axle and am
wondering what approx length the chords need to be?
Thank you in advance.
Scotty
--------
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start
fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352502#352502
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| From: | "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Control horns |
Kevin. Scary and a good point to make about welding. As I got in to the skill
of gas welding my 16 year old was fascinated by the process and quickly became
quite capable at making beautiful fishscale welds using our oxy/acetelyne rig
(darn kids!). He moved on to welding galvanized fence rails into snow board
and skateboard rails for his friends. While being impressed by his enthusiasm
I became concerned about the possible harmfulness of the fumes when the galvanized
coating spewed out a whitish dust . Quick research revealed that the
dust is zinc and has really no harmful effects if inhaled other than possible
short term nausea. What did catch my eye was that some of the other coatings
on steel like cadmium and certain paints like zinc chromate are horribly toxic
when they reach their melting point which is well below that of steel. Full
ventilation or better yet removal of the coating is a must before hitting these
with a torch. I remember William Wynn addressing this in his Corvair manual
when talking about welding the engine.
Let's be careful out there.
Scott Knowlton.
-----Original Message-----
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 00:05:50
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control horns
I sprayed zinc chromate inside and sloshed it around....
followed by my welder at work welding the metal tab on the piece. He was shocked
and amazed when the internal zinc chromate caught on fire and starting spewing
noxious gas at him.
I learned about welding/painting sequence from that one.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352491#352491
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| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Thank you Jack! Much appreciated.
Scotty
--------
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Modified Seine Knot |
Let's see..so far I have accomplished the following: Build an engine, carve
a prop, build a gas tank, sheet metal cowling, welding, electrical, flight
controls, wing ribs & wings, fuselage..Why does learning this stupid knot,
without the aid of the video, seem to over-shadow all the rest?
Gary in Cool
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| Subject: | WACO fly-in (Troy, oh) |
| From: | "VanDy" <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
Anybody there or going? In headed down in a little bit with the little one
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Modified Seine Knot |
OK Gary so how much of the Piet have you got covered this week? I remember you
saying you were taking vacation and this was the time you were starting to cover.
Cheers,
Jim
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Modified Seine Knot |
Fortunately, Saturday was spent in a very productive re-wiring session
with Mike Studer.S, M, & T was a washout as I accepted a job
challenge in Phoenixso really didn=99t get started
=98till Wednesday. All tail surfaces are covered, and I just
finished stitching the H. Stab. Next weekend, my son, Ryan, is coming
over to assist with the fuselage. Then I=99ll do some painting
before starting cover on the wings.
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Boyer
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Modified Seine Knot
OK Gary so how much of the Piet have you got covered this week? I
remember you saying you were taking vacation and this was the time you
were starting to cover.
Cheers,
Jim
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| Subject: | Modified Seine Knot |
| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
That's awesome Gary! I'm glad to see you're getting that covering done, but
slow down. How am I supposed to stay ahead of you when you're working so qu
ickly? I guess I'll have to get my wings down this next weekend and start t
heir covering. I've got the logos on the side of the fuselage and now I'll s
tart laying out for the stripe or spears down the side. I'm looking forward t
o seeing more pics of your covering as it moves forward.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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