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| Subject: | Re: Tig Welding 101 |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
I went to a Hobart seminar in Atlanta in the mid 60's. It was not a hands on just
classroom. They were teaching us how to weld armor plate for military airplanes.
It was a good school. Basically how to treat the stuff so the welds didn't
crack. Fairchild Aircraft paid the bill. We were building pilot and co-pilot
armor underneath the seats for C-123's headed for Vietnam. It was thin but
enough to stop small arms fire.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C 2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
Cut this piece in half across the weld with a bandsaw and check your
penetration with a magnifying glass. That will tell you if your temp is
correct. Wouldn't hurt to cut open several welds as you change from plate to
tube, etc while you are still learning. Can't be too careful when your butt
is a couple hundred feet in the air.
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 8:34 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tig Welding 101
After three evening classes at the local community college and 9 hours of
practice tig welding, this is my best. I asked the instructor if he would
climb into my aircraft for a ride if he saw these welds and he assured me he
would. He tig welds all day for a living and said he would be happy to to
do my welding for me if I wasn't comfortable with it.
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John
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| Subject: | Google satellite photo |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
I read that Google Maps recently updated the satellite image used for Wittman Regional
Airport at Oshkosh to use photos taken at some point during AirVenture
2011. So I just had a look, and it's true.
I managed to find 3 Pietenpols. Jack and Matt are parked in their Primo spot, beside
the Brown Arch. And I found Kevin's Piet in the Vintage area (I just looked
for a pair of Crocs). Screen captures are attached.
Kind of fun to see which planes you can identify.
There are also a few RVs, Bonanzas, Cessnas .... zzzzzzzz
Bill C.
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| Subject: | MSP to CHA ferry flight itinerary. |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
This whole flight planning on my own is hard work! Tried to get Delta to work
me up a flight plan... but their software was a little confused by the speeds
and altitudes.
Anyhoo, if weather permits, gonna try to get out Monday morning. Not withstanding
a little dodging airports, here's the plan.
OEO (Osceola WI); Y51 (Veroqua WI, fuel stop); C37 (Brodhead WI, fuel stop); C77
(Poplar Grove, fly by, maybe a quick landing); DTG (Dwight IL, overnight courtesy
Joe, thanks!).
DTG; SIV (Sullivan IN, fuel stop); [7k4, ohio county if necessary for fuel]; M54
(Lebanon TN, fuel and meet Dale hopefully, thanks!) then last leg to 9A5 (Lafayette
GA, mission complete).
Each day is about 375 miles. I have been offered headsets, intercoms, GPS and
all sorts of goodies by folks here for the trip, but I think I'm covered and really
really appreciate the offers. I have two hand held gps's, a radio, good
headsets, intercom (flying with my 18yr old son). He is printing up the trip
using satellite data courtesy runwayfinder.com and we've got current vfr sectionals
I'm plotting today.
Always willing to divert this way or that if anyone is around a nearby airfield
and wants to share a cup of coffee or something. Really looking forward to this
trip! If weather keeps us out on Monday, gonna try again after the 20th.
Cheers,
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Google satellite photo |
| From: | Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com> |
If you look at the brown square on the roof if the building next to the tower,
I'm pretty sure that little black dot of a person is me. :)
I also found my car in the B lot. No plane...
Wayne Bressler
Taildraggers, Inc.
www.taildraggersinc.com
On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:37 PM, "Bill Church" wrote:
>
> I read that Google Maps recently updated the satellite image used for Wittman
Regional Airport at Oshkosh to use photos taken at some point during AirVenture
2011. So I just had a look, and it's true.
> I managed to find 3 Pietenpols. Jack and Matt are parked in their Primo spot,
beside the Brown Arch. And I found Kevin's Piet in the Vintage area (I just looked
for a pair of Crocs). Screen captures are attached.
> Kind of fun to see which planes you can identify.
>
> There are also a few RVs, Bonanzas, Cessnas .... zzzzzzzz
>
> Bill C.
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: MSP to CHA ferry flight itinerary. |
what kind of plane are you flying?
----- Original Message ----
From: tools <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, October 7, 2011 12:53:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: MSP to CHA ferry flight itinerary.
This whole flight planning on my own is hard work! Tried to get Delta to work
me up a flight plan... but their software was a little confused by the speeds
and altitudes.
Anyhoo, if weather permits, gonna try to get out Monday morning. Not
withstanding a little dodging airports, here's the plan.
OEO (Osceola WI); Y51 (Veroqua WI, fuel stop); C37 (Brodhead WI, fuel stop); C77
(Poplar Grove, fly by, maybe a quick landing); DTG (Dwight IL, overnight
courtesy Joe, thanks!).
DTG; SIV (Sullivan IN, fuel stop); [7k4, ohio county if necessary for fuel]; M54
(Lebanon TN, fuel and meet Dale hopefully, thanks!) then last leg to 9A5
(Lafayette GA, mission complete).
Each day is about 375 miles. I have been offered headsets, intercoms, GPS and
all sorts of goodies by folks here for the trip, but I think I'm covered and
really really appreciate the offers. I have two hand held gps's, a radio, good
headsets, intercom (flying with my 18yr old son). He is printing up the trip
using satellite data courtesy runwayfinder.com and we've got current vfr
sectionals I'm plotting today.
Always willing to divert this way or that if anyone is around a nearby airfield
and wants to share a cup of coffee or something. Really looking forward to this
trip! If weather keeps us out on Monday, gonna try again after the 20th.
Cheers,
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Tig Welding 101 |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Here is a cross cut of the piece. Thanks for the advice.
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: MSP to CHA ferry flight itinerary. |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
This one!
Tools
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| From: | Max Hegler <maxhegler(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tig Welding 101 |
Jerry=2C
Thanks to you and you workmates! I flew AC-130 Gunships in SEA and the armo
r in my seat pan stopped a round that would have put a big dent in my butt
if not worse! Always wanted to thank whoever put the armor there. Even if i
t was C-123's that you worked on=2C the AC-130's got the same treatment.
Take Care=2CMax
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tig Welding 101
> From: jdotson(at)centurylink.net
> Date: Fri=2C 7 Oct 2011 06:35:39 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
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> I went to a Hobart seminar in Atlanta in the mid 60's. It was not a hands
on just classroom. They were teaching us how to weld armor plate for milit
ary airplanes. It was a good school. Basically how to treat the stuff so t
he welds didn't crack. Fairchild Aircraft paid the bill. We were building p
ilot and co-pilot armor underneath the seats for C-123's headed for Vietnam
. It was thin but enough to stop small arms fire.
>
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> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker=2C FL 32531
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> Started building NX510JD July=2C 2009
> now covering
> 21"=3B wheels
> Lycoming O-235 C 2C
> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | 3M Fastbond 30-NF |
I snooped around online for the Fastbond and found it alright, but nothing less
than5 gal. pail of the product. When you find it in a quart, it's like $230!
Makes nosense when the 5 gal. pail is $45.
Any good source for a quart at a decent price? I'm not doing fabric work at themoment,
but getting ready to start on a pair of skin-on-wood-frame kayaks that
usepolyester fabric over the frame. Most people staple the fabric but I think
cementwould be much nicer and thought I might try the Fastbond.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au |
| Subject: | Re: 3M Fastbond 30-NF |
Oscar,
Try this eBay link:
http://compare.ebay.com/like/170688019527?_lwgsi=y<yp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar
JohnW
Perth, Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, 8 October, 2011 10:04:24 AM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong
Kong / Urumqi
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3M Fastbond 30-NF
I snooped around online for the Fastbond and found it alright, but nothing less
than5 gal. pail of the product. When you find it in a quart, it's like $230!
Makes nosense when the 5 gal. pail is $45.
Any good source for a quart at a decent price? I'm not doing fabric work at themoment,
but getting ready to start on a pair of skin-on-wood-frame kayaks that
usepolyester fabric over the frame. Most people staple the fabric but I think
cementwould be much nicer and thought I might try the Fastbond.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: 3M Fastbond 30-NF |
For what it's worth the Stewart glue I have looks
and behaves just like the waterbased contact
cement I used some years ago to glue arborite.
Clif
I snooped around online for the Fastbond and found it alright, but nothing
less than5 gal. pail of the product. When you find it in a quart, it's like
$230! Makes nosense when the 5 gal. pail is $45.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
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| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | First Flight In The Piet For Lynne |
My wife, Lynne, got her first flight in NX629ML today. It was a gorgeous
early fall day, not too cool, with no wind and 50 mile visibility. She was a
bit nervous about it, and felt a little claustrophobic in the front cockpit
but she did great and once we were airborne, enjoyed the flight. We were
only up for about 20 minutes. Flew out and around a mountain close to the
field, over a friend's strip and then back home, never over 1000 AGL. I don't
know that she'll be a regular passenger but I really have wanted her to
experience flying in it since I got the time flown off. A good day!
Matt Paxton
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight In The Piet For Lynne |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Matt congratulations on reaching yet another milestone. I am not ready to fly yet
but not real sure what it would take for my wife to go for a flight. She has
never flown in anything smaller than a commuter jet and she don't like them.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C 2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flight In The Piet For Lynne |
Hi Matt,
Congratulations on having Lynne get her first flight with you in the Piet. My wife
has flown in a lot of airliners and last summer at our West Coast Piet flyin
Charlie Miller gave her a ride in his Piet. She was a little nervous also but
she really enjoyed the ride and is now looking forward to getting my Piet in
the air.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | First Flight In The Piet For Lynne |
Good job, Matt!!
Gary from Cool
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Woodflier(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 11:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight In The Piet For Lynne
My wife, Lynne, got her first flight in NX629ML today. It was a gorgeous
early fall day, not too cool, with no wind and 50 mile visibility. She was a
bit nervous about it, and felt a little claustrophobic in the front cockpit
but she did great and once we were airborne, enjoyed the flight. We were
only up for about 20 minutes. Flew out and around a mountain close to the
field, over a friend's strip and then back home, never over 1000 AGL. I
don't know that she'll be a regular passenger but I really have wanted her
to experience flying in it since I got the time flown off. A good day!
Matt Paxton
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | First Flight In The Piet For Lynne |
Way to go, Matt! I'm sure this won't be the last time you get Lynne up in
it. Now you've got to get her to taking trips in it. I suggest you bring
her over to Smith Mountain Lake some weekend when we are there. She'll
enjoy that beautiful flight through the notch in the Blue Ridge Mountains at
Balcony Falls.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Woodflier(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 2:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight In The Piet For Lynne
My wife, Lynne, got her first flight in NX629ML today. It was a gorgeous
early fall day, not too cool, with no wind and 50 mile visibility. She was a
bit nervous about it, and felt a little claustrophobic in the front cockpit
but she did great and once we were airborne, enjoyed the flight. We were
only up for about 20 minutes. Flew out and around a mountain close to the
field, over a friend's strip and then back home, never over 1000 AGL. I
don't know that she'll be a regular passenger but I really have wanted her
to experience flying in it since I got the time flown off. A good day!
Matt Paxton
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight In The Piet For Lynne |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Congrats...!
Now all I have to do is complete my Pietenpol, fly off the hours, and find a wife..................then
I can share in a similar experience......!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | wings about to take shape |
Well=2C this is my semi-annual post to the list.. A couple of photos of th
e center section in progress.
Tonight I spent a little time prepping the ribs for wing assembly. I belie
ve I may have the most expensive spars out there... I tried to go the "che
ap" route and get wood from Mckormicks - wood looked great until it was pla
ned and then had too many defects. Then I tried a local place that stocks
fir - same deal. I even tried gluing some of the fir up to remove the defe
cts and had a gluing mishap that ruined the spar I was working on - long st
ory... Anyway=2C finally I broke down and ordered from Aircraft Spruce. E
xpecting the spars to arrive soon so once again I'm getting some enthusiasm
going.
I've researched on here a bit about the rib / spar connection and didn't se
em to find a definitive answer on whether to glue or just nail the ribs to
the spars. I believe there are some flying examples where people have not
glued but I think the Tony Bengilis books talk about gluing the vertical ri
b member to the spar. Anyone care to weigh in on this?
I've built a 4'-0" center section and my outer spars will be 12'-4" long ea
ch - for some reason I believed that I wanted extra fuel capacity in the CC
so that's how I built it. Now I'm wondering if I'd ever want to sit in th
e plane that long...
I was going over my logbook a little bit and I can't believe I started this
in 2000. The ribs were built 6 years ago=2C the tail about 8 years ago=2C
the fuselage is now in 5th grade - 11 years... Not a whole lot has gone o
n since my son was born in 06' but I keep slowly chipping away. I guess I
did put a bit of time and money into the engine - which I ended up selling.
..
What a ride it is to build your own airplane. At this rate you'll all see
my Piet at the 2022 Brodhead reunion - that is of course if we all live thr
ough 2012.
I'll update once I get a good start on the wings. Should be interesting.
Hopefully the truck will arrive soon - I can't wait.
Tom B.
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| Subject: | Re: wings about to take shape |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
No need to glue....the nails will hold the ribs in place through
interlacing, covering, stitching....at which point they will go nowhere. The
built in upside is that, god forbid, if in the future you have to perform
some repair that involves sliding the ribs off the spars, it will be
actually be feasible and far easier...
Ryan
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 10:32 PM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote:
> Well, this is my semi-annual post to the list.. A couple of photos of
> the center section in progress.
>
> Tonight I spent a little time prepping the ribs for wing assembly. I
> believe I may have the most expensive spars out there... I tried to go the
> "cheap" route and get wood from Mckormicks - wood looked great until it was
> planed and then had too many defects. Then I tried a local place that
> stocks fir - same deal. I even tried gluing some of the fir up to remove
> the defects and had a gluing mishap that ruined the spar I was working on -
> long story... Anyway, finally I broke down and ordered from Aircraft
> Spruce. Expecting the spars to arrive soon so once again I'm getting some
> enthusiasm going.
>
> I've researched on here a bit about the rib / spar connection and didn't
> seem to find a definitive answer on whether to glue or just nail the ribs to
> the spars. I believe there are some flying examples where people have not
> glued but I think the Tony Bengilis books talk about gluing the vertical rib
> member to the spar. Anyone care to weigh in on this?
>
> I've built a 4'-0" center section and my outer spars will be 12'-4" long
> each - for some reason I believed that I wanted extra fuel capacity in the
> CC so that's how I built it. Now I'm wondering if I'd ever want to sit in
> the plane that long...
>
> I was going over my logbook a little bit and I can't believe I started this
> in 2000. The ribs were built 6 years ago, the tail about 8 years ago, the
> fuselage is now in 5th grade - 11 years... Not a whole lot has gone on
> since my son was born in 06' but I keep slowly chipping away. I guess I did
> put a bit of time and money into the engine - which I ended up selling...
>
> What a ride it is to build your own airplane. At this rate you'll all see
> my Piet at the 2022 Brodhead reunion - that is of course if we all live
> through 2012.
>
> I'll update once I get a good start on the wings. Should be interesting.
> Hopefully the truck will arrive soon - I can't wait.
>
> Tom B.
>
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: wings about to take shape |
Hi Tom,
Your center section looks good. I wish I had made my center section larger for
more fuel. Now I am trying to find how big a nose tank I can put in.
I ordered my plans in 2000 so we have about the same vintage. Good building; hope
to see yours and mine done.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: wings about to take shape |
Hi Tom,
Well, you are ahead of me, even if we started at about the same time :
( I'll get there eventually if the farm doesn't do me in first!
I agree with Ryan - don't glue the ribs to the spars - not necessary &
you actually want things to flex & 'give' a little when you get to
tramelling the wing. Plus you may need to move a rib slightly to
prevent a cable from rubbing or something, so why lock yourself into
plan A when you may need to go to plan B? (Most of my life operates
on Plans C-Z, but that's another matter! )
Kip Gardner
On Oct 10, 2011, at 12:28 AM, Jim Boyer wrote:
> Hi Tom,
> Your center section looks good. I wish I had made my center section
> larger for more fuel. Now I am trying to find how big a nose tank I
> can put in.
> I ordered my plans in 2000 so we have about the same vintage. Good
> building; hope to see yours and mine done.
> Cheers,
> Jim B.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wings about to take shape |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Tom B.
I appreciate your post. I have the same question about attachment of the rib to
the spar but you beat me to it. Like yourself, I just ordered spars for the
wing from Aircraft Spruce this week (Wednesday). Judging from your center section,
you went with the 3/4" unrouted spars? That's what I ultimately decided
to do after much consideration. If I remember correctly from previous posts,
are you from Minnesota? If so, maybe we could get together and I could see
your project. I'm hoping the truck from Aircraft Spruce comes quickly!
Tom D.
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: wings about to take shape |
I have a 3 ft center section that holds 20 gallons and gives me a little over 3
hrs. I can only stay up 2 hrs anyhoo. Maybe you can use the extra space for a
baggage bin. Gardiner
________________________________
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com>
Sent: Sun, October 9, 2011 11:32:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wings about to take shape
Well, this is my semi-annual post to the list.. A couple of photos of the
center section in progress.
Tonight I spent a little time prepping the ribs for wing assembly. I believe I
may have the most expensive spars out there... I tried to go the "cheap" route
and get wood from Mckormicks - wood looked great until it was planed and then
had too many defects. Then I tried a local place that stocks fir - same deal.
I even tried gluing some of the fir up to remove the defects and had a gluing
mishap that ruined the spar I was working on - long story... Anyway, finally I
broke down and ordered from Aircraft Spruce. Expecting the spars to arrive soon
so once again I'm getting some enthusiasm going.
I've researched on here a bit about the rib / spar connection and didn't seem to
find a definitive answer on whether to glue or just nail the ribs to the spars.
I believe there are some flying examples where people have not glued but I think
the Tony Bengilis books talk about gluing the vertical rib member to the spar.
Anyone care to weigh in on this?
I've built a 4'-0" center section and my outer spars will be 12'-4" long each -
for some reason I believed that I wanted extra fuel capacity in the CC so that's
how I built it. Now I'm wondering if I'd ever want to sit in the plane that
long...
I was going over my logbook a little bit and I can't believe I started this in
2000. The ribs were built 6 years ago, the tail about 8 years ago, the fuselage
is now in 5th grade - 11 years... Not a whole lot has gone on since my son was
born in 06' but I keep slowly chipping away. I guess I did put a bit of time
and money into the engine - which I ended up selling...
What a ride it is to build your own airplane. At this rate you'll all see my
Piet at the 2022 Brodhead reunion - that is of course if we all live through
2012.
I'll update once I get a good start on the wings. Should be interesting.
Hopefully the truck will arrive soon - I can't wait.
Tom B.
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Covering question |
Here's a couple of questions for those of you who know how to do fabric
covering. My wing center section will have a fiberglass fuel tank
installed, the top surface of which is basically the top surface of the
wing. Obviously when this surface is covered with fabric there is no
option to rib stitch as there is no rib to stitch to. Also, the fiberglass
surface is not smooth as the glass weave creates a somewhat pebbled
(rough) surface.
Is gluing the fabric down to the tank surface sufficient to keep the cloth
attached?
Should I try to prep that rough surface in some fashion to smooth it out
prior to attaching the cloth?
Should I just attach and rib stitch the cloth to the ribs on each side of
the tank bay and call that sufficient?
Should I just: "Throw away that $%^# fiberglass tank and make it out of
aluminum like Bernard did?
Thank you so much for your kind and generous advice.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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| Subject: | Re: Covering question |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Tom,
It's tough to beat the advantages of a terneplate or aluminum tank. I suppose
you could make an aluminum panel to screw down on top of the fiberglass tank.
Or you could make a new tank out of aluminum or terneplate. [Wink]
Don Emch
NX899DE
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354520#354520
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Covering question |
How about another couple of options:
1) make a sheet of aluminum to cover the tank, rather than fabric. Easy to
get to the tank that way if you have problems
Or, 2) make thin rib caps out of aluminum channel that can ride over the
tank and rib stitch it to them. That is what I did, but I wish I had done
option 1) above.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering question
Here's a couple of questions for those of you who know how to do fabric
covering. My wing center section will have a fiberglass fuel tank
installed, the top surface of which is basically the top surface of the
wing. Obviously when this surface is covered with fabric there is no option
to rib stitch as there is no rib to stitch to. Also, the fiberglass surface
is not smooth as the glass weave creates a somewhat pebbled (rough) surface.
1. Is gluing the fabric down to the tank surface sufficient to keep the
cloth attached?
2. Should I try to prep that rough surface in some fashion to smooth it
out prior to attaching the cloth?
3. Should I just attach and rib stitch the cloth to the ribs on each
side of the tank bay and call that sufficient?
4. Should I just: "Throw away that $%^# fiberglass tank and make it out
of aluminum like Bernard did?
Thank you so much for your kind and generous advice.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Covering question |
Jack and Dan:
Now THAT's why I love this list. Quick, to the point, good information,
and no flamin' the doofus. The aluminum sheet does sound like the way to
go. Does it need to be grounded for spark dissipation purposes?
Tom
>>> "Jack Phillips" 10/10/2011 10:05 AM >>>
How about another couple of options:
1) make a sheet of aluminum to cover the tank, rather than fabric. Easy
to get to the tank that way if you have problems
Or, 2) make thin rib caps out of aluminum channel that can ride over the
tank and rib stitch it to them. That is what I did, but I wish I had done
option 1) above.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: wings about to take shape |
Jim,
On 10/09/2011 11:28 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> Your center section looks good. I wish I had made my center section
> larger for more fuel. Now I am trying to find how big a nose tank I can
> put in.
N8031 has a 11g tank in the center section and a 3.5+g header tank
behind the front 'pit dashboard.
N502R has a 12g nose tank, but it hangs so low that only the shortest
legged co-pilots are able to put their feet on the pedals without
smacking their shins on the tank.
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: wings about to take shape |
502R actually has a 17 gallon tank. Jim, contact me offline and I can
send you some pictures.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Oct 10, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> On 10/09/2011 11:28 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> Your center section looks good. I wish I had made my center section
>> larger for more fuel. Now I am trying to find how big a nose tank I
can
>> put in.
>
>
> N8031 has a 11g tank in the center section and a 3.5+g header tank
behind the front 'pit dashboard.
>
> N502R has a 12g nose tank, but it hangs so low that only the shortest
legged co-pilots are able to put their feet on the pedals without
smacking their shins on the tank.
>
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Ozarkflyer" <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
Anyone having trouble accessing the Barnstormer web-site? I've tried for several
days from several locations but it always times-out.
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| Subject: | Re: Barnstormers |
| From: | "Ozarkflyer" <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks. I was starting to get paranoid. Or maybe we're both being picked on.
:?
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| Subject: | Re: Barnstormers |
| From: | Bryce Reid <1rciokc(at)gmail.com> |
I just got on using my phone
On Oct 10, 2011 11:54 AM, "Ozarkflyer" wrote:
>
> Thanks. I was starting to get paranoid. Or maybe we're both being picked
> on. :?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354536#354536
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wings about to take shape |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Regarding 502R....if patterning after that tank, and you are looking to give
informal flight instruction/checkout to someone who is not a properly sized
individual (or is as long of leg as I, and I'm only 5'11"), they will not be
able to operate the rudder pedals with that tank. For rides, no
problem....those dang shins get in the way otherwise....I feel Lowell's
pain. :P
Ryan
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:29 AM, John Hofmann wrote:
> 502R actually has a 17 gallon tank. Jim, contact me offline and I can send
> you some pictures.
>
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2424 American Lane
> Madison, WI 53704
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
>
> On Oct 10, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
>
> Jim,
>
> On 10/09/2011 11:28 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
>
> Hi Tom,
>
>
> Your center section looks good. I wish I had made my center section
>
> larger for more fuel. Now I am trying to find how big a nose tank I can
>
> put in.
>
>
> N8031 has a 11g tank in the center section and a 3.5+g header tank behind
> the front 'pit dashboard.
>
> N502R has a 12g nose tank, but it hangs so low that only the shortest
> legged co-pilots are able to put their feet on the pedals without smacking
> their shins on the tank.
>
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty - The
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| Subject: | Re: wings about to take shape |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
I was able to manage 14.5 gallons in the nose and keep it completely up out of
the way of the passengers feet and shins. It's all in the design and shape of
the tank. I can't imagine wanting any more fuel. I have an A-65 so that is
well over 3 hours of flying time. My longest leg has been 2 hours and 20 minutes.
Not good! An hour and a half for me is just fine for time aloft in the
Piet. If I am going somewhere, it is a much happier day of Piet traveling if
I make 4 or even 5 hour and a half legs than it is to make 2 or 3 maximum range
legs.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
works for me. gardiner
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: wings about to take shape |
Hi Don,
thanks, I am figuring on about 10+ gallons in the wing center section and I would
like about 3 or 4 more gallons in the nose. I am using a Corvair and think
they use about 5 to 5.5 gallons per hour so would be happy with at least 12 to
14 gallons. Want the wing center section tank for CG (actually have to as I have
so much stuff behind the firewall and want to maintain clearance from the
forward tank.
Jim B.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Barnstormers |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Working here.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Covering question |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Tom,
I glued a piece of wood cap strip to the top of my aluminum tank, right dow
n the centerline, and then fabricated a removable aluminum access panel, he
ld on simply with sheet metal screws into the wood (adjacent rib caps). So
far I have removed my leaky tank twice. So glad I didn't bury it. I probabl
y need to make a new tank. I have discovered after observing other producti
on tanks, that my design is not the best. Mine is prone to cracking at the
seams because I failed to stiffen the adjacent area with "dips" or corrugat
ions. At Oshkosh, there is the Aeromart, which is basically a big tent flea
market of everybody's unwanted aircraft parts. I paid special attention th
is year to the aluminum tank designs. Got some good ideas.
BTW the first morning (Tuesday) at the OSH Aeromart is kind of like a Black
Friday early a.m. line in front of WalMart. The true die-hards are all the
re standing in line about two hours before the opening. It is quite fun, an
d I participated this year despite having nothing on my agenda to buy. I wo
uld highly recommend it to any active Piet builder. There are many "treasur
es" to be had there every year. The year that Santiago (from Argentina) was
here, we had such a good time, trying to fulfill his wish list. The best s
trategy I have found is that when you spot anything of possible interest, g
rab it, placing it strategically under the arm, and continue on throughout
the tent repeating the same. Then, when you can hold no more, finally stop
to evaluate what you actually have, returning the unwanted items to the she
lves.
Now.............. laughing to myself, recalling the conversation,..........
... as the line of ruffians begins to snake closer to enter the Aeromart te
nt at the opening bell. "Every man for himself !!!" was the cry.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:56 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Covering question
Jack and Dan:
Now THAT's why I love this list. Quick, to the point, good information, an
d no flamin' the doofus. The aluminum sheet does sound like the way to go.
Does it need to be grounded for spark dissipation purposes?
Tom
>>> "Jack Phillips" 10/10/2011 10:05 AM >>>
How about another couple of options:
1) make a sheet of aluminum to cover the tank, rather than fabric. Easy to
get to the tank that way if you have problems
Or, 2) make thin rib caps out of aluminum channel that can ride over the ta
nk and rib stitch it to them. That is what I did, but I wish I had done op
tion 1) above.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: wings about to take shape |
Does anyone out there have a Piet with a C85 utilizing a nose tank? I know
the 65's work fine with the fuel pressure, just wondering if the fire
breathing 85 can do it too.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings about to take shape
I was able to manage 14.5 gallons in the nose and keep it completely up out
of the way of the passengers feet and shins. It's all in the design and
shape of the tank. I can't imagine wanting any more fuel. I have an A-65
so that is well over 3 hours of flying time. My longest leg has been 2
hours and 20 minutes. Not good! An hour and a half for me is just fine for
time aloft in the Piet. If I am going somewhere, it is a much happier day
of Piet traveling if I make 4 or even 5 hour and a half legs than it is to
make 2 or 3 maximum range legs.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: wings about to take shape |
Hi Jim, I have the center section tank with 20 gal capacity and I burn 6
gal/hour. No forward tank. Cheers, Gardiner
________________________________
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Mon, October 10, 2011 4:25:18 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings about to take shape
Hi Don,
thanks, I am figuring on about 10+ gallons in the wing center section and I
would like about 3 or 4 more gallons in the nose. I am using a Corvair and think
they use about 5 to 5.5 gallons per hour so would be happy with at least 12 to
14 gallons. Want the wing center section tank for CG (actually have to as I have
so much stuff behind the firewall and want to maintain clearance from the
forward tank.
Jim B.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Barnstormers |
| From: | "Ozarkflyer" <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
Just got a message from the "Baroness" saying they had technical difficulties but
should be alright now. Tried it and got through.
Just cause I'm not paranoid doesn't mean they're not picking on me.
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| Subject: | Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to Geor |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Hello Good People,
Mike, aka "Tools", called me this evening, and asked me to give post and update
the Forum on his travels from Minnesota back to Georgia as the proud new owner
of his Pietenpol. This information may not be totally correct, but it is pretty
darn close.
He and his son left today to head back from Dick Navratil's to Georgia. Many of
you may recall Tools' earlier post of how he came about purchasing Dick's Pietenpol.
Anyway, they had hoped to be eating Yankee Pot Roast this evening in either
Illinois or Indiana (I can't remember where he said), but headwinds prevailed.
They hit pretty heavy headwinds (he said he figured they were only doing
about 45 knots groundspeed for a while) and made it as far as Brodhead by nightfall.
They found an empty hangar, opened the doors. pulled the plane inside,
and they are sleeping under the wing tonight and heading out at first light.
I think he said his goal was to get to Tennessee by night fall, but that may
be another ambitious day. He and his son are happy as clams, enjoying the journey,
and are safe. Keep them in your thoughts, and he will try to update you with
a more complete explanation once he gets back home.
The plane is flying great, they are having a great time, and he just wanted to
share the journey with this group that has been so supportive.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
Members of the list:
-
These photos show me making the attachment of the tail section to the fuse
on the pietenpol. I wanted to show others the drill guide I made-using Cl
if Dawson's design. The photos tell all. Each hole aligned perfectly with t
he metal attachments! Thank you Clif for the idea.
-
Also, the lower brackets were-offset at 8 degree angle to match the tail
section-angle at the end attachment of the fuse. This allowed for the bra
cket to align on the horizontal stabilizer-correctly (Photo # 236/last ph
oto)
-KMHeide
Clif Dawson
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| Subject: | Fuselage tank and the C-85 engine...and beware ethanol |
in auto fuel.
Group,
I will deal with the tank question first, and then provide a "heads up" with
an account of my experience with ethanol in auto fuel.
My Pietenpol has a 12.5 Imp. gal. ( 15 US gal.) fuselage tank located in the
nose. It is an expanded cross section of a Piper J3 tank, forming an ellipse
which holds 3 US gallons more than the J3's 12 US gal. This tank provides
ample clearance for the feet of the person in the front pit because it is
mounted as high as the cowl behind the firewall will allow.
Initially I used a Continental A-65, but substituted a C-85 early on and,
although I was apprehensive about the C-85's increased fuel flow
requirement, there has never been a fuel feed problem in over 700 hours with
the C-85.
However, totally unrelated to the fuel tank location, I did have a fuel flow
problem caused by ethanol (5 to 6%) in the auto fuel I was using in my
Pietenpol. For years, since 80/87 aviation fuel disappeared, I have used
regular auto fuel without problems until this summer. I had long ago
substituted steel float needles, in my Stromberg NAS3 carburetors, for the
neoprene-tipped ones but, for some reason as yet undetermined, didn't
realise the carburetor in my Piet still had the neoprene-tipped one until I
had disassembled the unit. I installed a spare carburetor that I KNEW had
the steel needle and, of course, it is unaffected by the ethanol in the
fuel and works fine.
Since then I measured and recorded dry dimensions of a new (old stock)
neoprene-tipped needle and then placed it in a glass jar containing
fresh-from-the-pump auto fuel. After about 5 hours I re-measured this needle
and found it had "grown" appreciably. This would lower the fuel level in the
float chamber causing a lean mixture which, at full throttle, could (and
did) result in engine stoppage. I strongly recommend that anyone using auto
fuel make certain that a steel float needle is installed in the NAS3 series
carburetor, if they have one on their engine. The Delrin needle is an
alternative to the neoprene type, but I don't know whether it is affected by
ethanol, or not. Someone out there will know.
I had flown for about 30 minutes with no problems, landed, and then
attempted to take off again. It was a short flight. Luckily there was lots
of runway ahead since I barely got airborne when things abruptly became
quiet. The first thing I checked was the fuel flow to the carburetor and it
was ample. The problem had to be in the carburetor...and it was. Why this
didn't occur at the first takeoff perhaps could be explained by these
factors:
1. The oil was then cool and the engine didn't turn up to the critical rpm
during the initial takeoff.
2. I had recently installed a finer-pitched propeller, allowing the engine
to rev up higher than it did with the other propeller.
The engine must have been running "borderline lean" since the introduction
of ethanol in auto fuel and these factors may have tipped the balance in
favor of engine stoppage.
My experience reminded me that the three most useless things in aviation
are:
1. The runway behind you. (Luckily, I started the takeoff with all of the
runway ahead of me.)
2. The altitude above you.
3. The fuel you didn't put in the tanks.
In nearly 61 years of flying, this is the first time an engine has quit on
me at takeoff, and I'm glad things worked out the way they did. Back in the
1920's, Hereward DeHavilland (Geoffrey's brother) said in essence:
"In order to survive, the aviator must be continually apprehensive."
He was so right!
Automotive gasoline has contained ethyl alcohol (5 to 6%) for several months
in Canada, and this probably applies to the USA as well. This summer I
encountered a service station that sold fuel containing 10% ethanol! (It was
consumed by my automobile, though.) The above experience has caused me to
wonder how ethanol might affect the flexible fuel lines in aircraft and my
chemist/aviator friend and I are currently conducting tests on samples of
aviation fuel hose and automotive fuel hose by immersing same in fresh auto
fuel. We will keep you posted.
Cheers,
Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
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| Subject: | Turnbuckles and hardwire |
| From: | "Larry V" <larryvangerven(at)hotmail.com> |
Hello
I am working on the wing of my pietenpol and was wondering if anyone could tell
me where to find the cross reference for 325 sf turnbuckles. Also the plans
call for hardwire. I cannot seem to find this,and was wondering what size cable
to use.
Thanks
Larry V
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Turnbuckles and hardwire |
Use 1/8" cable and AN155-32 turnbuckles. Attached is a pdf of a common cable
assembly.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry V" <larryvangerven(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles and hardwire
>
>
> Hello
> I am working on the wing of my pietenpol and was wondering if anyone could
> tell me where to find the cross reference for 325 sf turnbuckles. Also
> the plans call for hardwire. I cannot seem to find this,and was wondering
> what size cable to use.
>
> Thanks
> Larry V
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354643#354643
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Turnbuckles and hardwire |
| From: | "Larry V" <larryvangerven(at)hotmail.com> |
Greg
Thanks for the information
Larry V
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| From: | "Barnwell Regional Airport" <barnwellairport(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Regional Pietenpol fly in at Barnwell |
Fellow Piet builders and flyers,
Several weeks back, I posted a notice here about having a "regional"
Piet fly in along with Corvair College #21 that will be held on
November 11, 12 & 13 at Barnwell airport [ KBNL ]
So far, no flying Piets have indicated they would attend. Some who
normally would come have scheduling conflicts. There are about 8-10
builders to date who have indicated they will be here and want
information on how to build their Piets.
We will have my flying Piet, a static display of Don Harpers Piet on
the gear with corvair engine, maybe a second static Piet fuselage with
tail feathers, and we will hold a Brodhead forum type question/answer
session in my hangar to discuss building tips, do's and don'ts. I'll
have a rib jig and materials avaliable for those who want to learn how
to build a rib.
any questions/comments, let me know
P. F. Beck
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| Subject: | Re: wings about to take shape |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Like Gardiner, I plan for 6 GPH. My stock wing tank is too small. I'd like another
3-4 gallons, which I'll add, somehow, eventually.
I'm really itching to get out after 90 minutes, and I'm relatively young and spry
(& Don Emch is younger and spryer than I).
If you live someplace with long legs between fuel stops I understand the desire
for lots of gas. If you don't, you may not need all that extra weight.
FWIW
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Covering question |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi Tom - I made a "hole" in the wing center section with fabric glued around and
down into the edge of the hole. The tank fits in the hole, is held down with
straps, and has an aluminum cover screwed on around the periphery, much like
what's already been described.
Notes:
- If you go this route, the edges of the hole need to be really stout. I made
a very robust wood structure on which to glue the fabric and still managed to
pull the structure apart when tightening the fabric. The fabric is astonishingly
powerful when it tightens up. I had to cut the fabric, re-do the wood structure
around the hole, and then repair the fabric. You don't really see it unless
you look, but it was all a pain in the butt and very traumatic when the
structure broke loose. I think I said something like, "shoot!"
- Not sure why you'd need to ground the aluminum cover.
- I've had the tank out once for inspection and for repair of a pinhole leak.
I was glad I made the tank easily removable.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Covering question |
Thanks Axel, I had not thought about beefing up the attachments at the
ribs but that will be easy enough to do at this stage. (Much harder
later.)
Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "kevinpurtee" 10/11/2011 11:13 AM >>>
il>
Hi Tom - I made a "hole" in the wing center section with fabric glued
around and down into the edge of the hole. The tank fits in the hole, is
held down with straps, and has an aluminum cover screwed on around the
periphery, much like what's already been described.
Notes:
- If you go this route, the edges of the hole need to be really stout. I
made a very robust wood structure on which to glue the fabric and still
managed to pull the structure apart when tightening the fabric. The
fabric is astonishingly powerful when it tightens up. I had to cut the
fabric, re-do the wood structure around the hole, and then repair the
fabric. You don't really see it unless you look, but it was all a pain in
the butt and very traumatic when the structure broke loose. I think I
said something like, "shoot!"
- Not sure why you'd need to ground the aluminum cover.
- I've had the tank out once for inspection and for repair of a pinhole
leak. I was glad I made the tank easily removable.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
Listers:
I just had an unexpected windfall. A gentleman that I know came by my
office and said that since he knew I was building a Pietenpol Air Camper,
I might be interrested in this. It is a photocopy of a letter from
Bernard P. in answer to some questions concerning his use of the Corvair
engine. I do not know what the original questions were or who the letter
was addressed to but still - - words from the master himself.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
N328X
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
Listers:
Sorry, I keep forgetting that you can't treat the list exactly like an
e-mail client. The BHP letter I posted was in pdf format and some of you
will not be able to retrieve it. So, here it is again as a jpg attachment.
Tom Stinemetze
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: wings about to take shape |
Hi Gardiner,
How wide is your center section? How are you coming on the rebuild? Last I heard
your were working on ribs and had the fuselage done.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Covering question |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
I made my tank from aluminum. It fits between the spars and the ribs. It holds
16 gallons. A cross section of it is the same as the ribs. The top extends past
the tank to mount it to some strips I put on top of the spars. It will just
ride on the ribs with rubber between. I am not real happy with the tank because
it warped up from welding pretty bad. I am going to try to fix it but may build
another one.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C 2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Turnbuckles and hardwire |
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
I think you'll find that all the cable in the Air Camper is 3/32 except for the
control stick to bell-crank (which is 1/8) and possibly the straight-axle landing
gear support cables. This assumes you substitute the 14-gage hardwire with
3/32 cable on the tail.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage tank and the C-85 engine...and beware ethanol |
in au
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Graham,
Helpful info. Thanks for sharing.
Here's a helpful website that lists gas stations that still offer ethanol-free
gasoline. The website gets updated regularly, by its users.
http://pure-gas.org/
Just click on your province or state, and get a list of stations that still offer
ethanol-free gas. Click on each specific station for details.
In Canada, for the most part, Shell is the only large retailer that still offers
ethanol-free gas - and then only the high-grade (91 octane) fuel. Regular has
10% ethanol, and mid-grade is a blend of regular and high, so it has about 5%.
However, just going to a Shell station isn't always a guarantee that the high
grade is ethanol-free. The pumps that are ethanol-free will have stickers on
them that state that the 91 octane is ethanol-free. Probably best to do a test
of the actual fuel at each purchase to make sure that it is truly ethanol-free.
http://www.eaa.org/autofuel/faqs/alcohol_testing.asp
Bill C.
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| From: | "Bryan Reed" <reed44(at)gmail.com> |
Hello all,
Just wanted to introduce myself to the list and apologize in advance for all
the stupid questions I may ask in the future.
Bryan Reed from Buckeye, AZ
I have Piet plans on order and am awaiting their arrival. I will be building with
my great friend Dennis Mclain. You may know him here as he is the cartoonist
on the weekly Barnstormers email list.
I am 51 so I am old enough to know how little I know. : )
Flying for about 20-years: 5 in sailplanes, 10 in ultralights and the last 5 as
a Cessna driver.
I am a structural engineer at a wood truss manufacturing plant and yes it is slow.
I also am a residential general contractor as well as a general pool building
contractor. I spent many years as a carpenter so have pretty good wood skills.
My build partner has the metal skills and is actually an artist and graduate
from LA School of Art.
At this stage in my life the above are only what I have to do to afford to fly
as that is my passion.
Thoughts (right or wrong) are:
Build per plans
Long fuselage
Continental-65 (May add port and polish w/Higher compression pistons)
No engine electrical-hand prop and wind generator w/battery to run radio and transponder.
Per plan split gear
16 to 18" Motorcycle wheels.
Sitka Spruce w/Glue T-88 ???? (Kinda firm on the Spruce though)
Well that is what my thoughts are anyway,
Any and all advice/criticism greatly appreciated and thank you,
Bryan
--------
While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Welcome Bryan!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
Whoa! Take THAT all you A-65 lovers! Seriously - a very interesting
letter.
And we thought Dan had all the answers what with him being keeper of
the "Lost Papers" & all. :)
KIp Gardner
On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:38 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
> Listers:
>
> Sorry, I keep forgetting that you can't treat the list exactly like
> an e-mail client. The BHP letter I posted was in pdf format and
> some of you will not be able to retrieve it. So, here it is again
> as a jpg attachment.
>
> Tom Stinemetze
>
>
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: wings about to take shape |
Jim, my center section is 36 in wide and holds 20.5 gallons. No fabric on CS.
All plywood with an aluminum cover screwed down. Just finished 30 ribs,--One
extra and one for a wall decoration. Also just finished rewiring the whole plane
with a new panel and lots of help from my electronics guru. New tail feathers
have hinges on now and covering is next. Also I have to make new cabanes as the
old ones were smushed. I have the materiel for cabanes but haven' decided
whether
to use aluminum from carlsons for the struts or to build wood ones out of
douglas fir. It is just like building a new plane again only this time I have
all the metal and fittings made. STILL.
Thanks for the interest, and I know that this plane will be better than the
original I think I will name it the REPIET. Cheers, Gardiner
________________________________
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, October 11, 2011 12:45:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings about to take shape
Hi Gardiner,
How wide is your center section? How are you coming on the rebuild? Last I heard
your were working on ribs and had the fuselage done.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
Sounds like you are off to a good start. You have lots of options, but
if you use a hand prop
A-65 without an engine driven generator you don't need a transponder, so
you can skip the wind
driven generator and battery. I just use an i-com handheld radio with a
headset and it goes over 10
hours between charges.
Welcome to the list, this is a great group for getting more than one
good answer to every question.
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Fl
97 hrs since Feb 2010
On 10/11/2011 1:48 PM, Bryan Reed wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bryan Reed"
>
> Hello all,
>
> Just wanted to introduce myself to the list and apologize in advance for
all the stupid questions I may ask in the future.
>
> Bryan Reed from Buckeye, AZ
>
> I have Piet plans on order and am awaiting their arrival. I will be building
with my great friend Dennis Mclain. You may know him here as he is the cartoonist
on the weekly Barnstormers email list.
>
> I am 51 so I am old enough to know how little I know. : )
>
> Flying for about 20-years: 5 in sailplanes, 10 in ultralights and the last
5 as a Cessna driver.
>
> I am a structural engineer at a wood truss manufacturing plant and yes it is
slow. I also am a residential general contractor as well as a general pool building
contractor. I spent many years as a carpenter so have pretty good wood
skills. My build partner has the metal skills and is actually an artist and graduate
from LA School of Art.
> At this stage in my life the above are only what I have to do to afford to
fly as that is my passion.
>
> Thoughts (right or wrong) are:
>
> Build per plans
>
> Long fuselage
>
> Continental-65 (May add port and polish w/Higher compression pistons)
>
> No engine electrical-hand prop and wind generator w/battery to run radio and
transponder.
>
> Per plan split gear
>
> 16 to 18" Motorcycle wheels.
>
> Sitka Spruce w/Glue T-88 ???? (Kinda firm on the Spruce though)
>
> Well that is what my thoughts are anyway,
>
> Any and all advice/criticism greatly appreciated and thank you,
>
> Bryan
>
> --------
> While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354703#354703
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| From: | "Bryan Reed" <reed44(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Ben,
Hoping I was headed in the right direction.
While transponder isn't required with non electrical it is very busy here. It
is a good safety item to have a transponder as most airports around town are
towered. Without it we are not very welcome and that can be shown in some "not"
very subtle ways. I also transition Phx Class-B a lot and it is required there.
I like the Icom radio and may use one but they can come across as very weak
to towers and other planes. I'm not sure why as I have tried them with various
antennas. Have access to a couple of old Delcom portables. They were always
better when meshing with conventional radios so I may give them a try.
Sometimes I wish it wasn't so busy air traffic wise as I am just looking to get
north to the mountains so I can noodle around at a couple hundred ft agl.
I like more than one good answer, it keeps you on your toes.
Thanks again,
Bryan
--------
While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Welcome, Bryan!
I like all your choices. Pretty much what I did although I have a straight
axle. If I had it to do over, I would do the split axle gear with wire
wheels, like Don Emch and Kevin Purtee did.
Only possible change I might suggest would be to do without the wind-driven
generator. My only experience with one of them (on a friend's Luscombe that
I was ferrying) was not pleasant.
On mine, I have full comm radio (not a hand-held) and a mode C transponder.
I run them off a battery that I recharge every few flights on the ground.
As long as you don't have to run the transponder all the time I can get
about 20 hours of flight between charges.
You will find this group to be the very best group on the internet. Full of
good advice and friendly (until you abuse said good advice).
Plan now to come to Brodhead next July and bring a camera, tape measure and
notepad.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Reed
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to List
Hello all,
Just wanted to introduce myself to the list and apologize in advance for
all the stupid questions I may ask in the future.
Bryan Reed from Buckeye, AZ
I have Piet plans on order and am awaiting their arrival. I will be
building with my great friend Dennis Mclain. You may know him here as he is
the cartoonist on the weekly Barnstormers email list.
I am 51 so I am old enough to know how little I know. : )
Flying for about 20-years: 5 in sailplanes, 10 in ultralights and the last
5 as a Cessna driver.
I am a structural engineer at a wood truss manufacturing plant and yes it
is slow. I also am a residential general contractor as well as a general
pool building contractor. I spent many years as a carpenter so have pretty
good wood skills. My build partner has the metal skills and is actually an
artist and graduate from LA School of Art.
At this stage in my life the above are only what I have to do to afford to
fly as that is my passion.
Thoughts (right or wrong) are:
Build per plans
Long fuselage
Continental-65 (May add port and polish w/Higher compression pistons)
No engine electrical-hand prop and wind generator w/battery to run radio and
transponder.
Per plan split gear
16 to 18" Motorcycle wheels.
Sitka Spruce w/Glue T-88 ???? (Kinda firm on the Spruce though)
Well that is what my thoughts are anyway,
Any and all advice/criticism greatly appreciated and thank you,
Bryan
--------
While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354703#354703
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| From: | "Bryan Reed" <reed44(at)gmail.com> |
Jack,
I am sensing that the wind driven generator is a bad idea. I have has several
emails offline advising the same. Out with that idea.
My first thought was a marine battery and just plug into a good battery tender
when not flying. A "friend" had suggested the generator.
Where did you mount the the radio and transponder? I would like to put in the
Val Avionics Com 2000 as I can get a deal on it but am unsure of which transponder.
Any suggestions?
Thank you,
Bryan
--------
While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
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| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Bryan,
I like your way of thinking! I'm probably a little biased though. With the exception
of any radio equipment, your ideas are pretty much how I built mine.
T-88 and all. Here is a shot of it from this past weekend when my dad and I flew
out to breakfast. He was in our Chief and my son and me in my Piet.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Bryan,
I mounted my radio and transponder in the centersection, because most
avionics are 12" deep and the space between the rear instrument panel and
the back of the front seat is only about 7". By putting them in the
centersection they are easily accessible in flight, but don't interfere with
the "antique look" of the airplane. Here's a photo showing what the
installation looks like:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Reed
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to List
Jack,
I am sensing that the wind driven generator is a bad idea. I have has
several emails offline advising the same. Out with that idea.
My first thought was a marine battery and just plug into a good battery
tender when not flying. A "friend" had suggested the generator.
Where did you mount the the radio and transponder? I would like to put in
the Val Avionics Com 2000 as I can get a deal on it but am unsure of which
transponder. Any suggestions?
Thank you,
Bryan
--------
While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
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| From: | RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Regional Pietenpol fly in at Barnwell |
Looking forward to hearing more. Hope when everything comes together I can
get time off work to come! Keep us posted on date/time!
Boyce Rampey
Columbia, SC
In a message dated 10/11/2011 10:17:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
barnwellairport(at)bellsouth.net writes:
Fellow Piet builders and flyers,
Several weeks back, I posted a notice here about having a "regional" Piet
fly in along with Corvair College #21 that will be held on November 11,
12 & 13 at Barnwell airport [ KBNL ]
So far, no flying Piets have indicated they would attend. Some who
normally would come have scheduling conflicts. There are about 8-10 builders to
date who have indicated they will be here and want information on how to
build their Piets.
We will have my flying Piet, a static display of Don Harpers Piet on the
gear with corvair engine, maybe a second static Piet fuselage with tail
feathers, and we will hold a Brodhead forum type question/answer session in
my hangar to discuss building tips, do's and don'ts. I'll have a rib jig and
materials avaliable for those who want to learn how to build a rib.
any questions/comments, let me know
P. F. Beck
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
That's cool Jack! Never even noticed those in your plane.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Bryan Reed" <reed44(at)gmail.com> |
Don,
I love the matching paint. A Chief and a Piet, what a great combo to tag team
boring holes in the sky.
Thanks for sharing the picture.
Bryan
Jack,
What a great idea for the radio and transponder mount. With that set-up I could
probably source a used Narco transponder.
Brilliant idea, thanks,
Bryan
--------
While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: wings about to take shape |
HI Gardiner,
I have actually been thinking about remaking my center section to make it b
igger for the fuel tank. I was making=C2- mockups today and calculating h
ow much fuel I could get in either the nose or center section. I can get ab
out 12 in my current center section and about 11 in the nose as I have all
the coils, switch, etc. all mounted behind the firewall.
I don;t like=C2- having to climb on a=C2- ladder to=C2- fuel the wing
=C2- but don't like having fuel in the nose right near the coils and coil
switch either. so making a new center section=C2- may be the easy choice
; i.e. fast than making two fuel tanks.
Thanks for the information on your center section. It sounds=C2- like you
are making really good progress though on getting her flying again. I like
the name Repiet; it fits.
cheers,
Jim B.
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| From: | Charles Waldo <cwaldo.jr(at)gmail.com> |
Folks
Well I=92m done working on my 3D Pietenpol airplane computer model. I cou
ld
add more detail, but its time to start building the real deal! Fall brings
an end to the flying season and the beginning of the building season! The
goal last winter was to learn how to build a Pietenpol by first building a
3D model of it on my computer. My thoughts where to make the mistakes
building in the virtual world before destroying the valuable wood downstair
s
in my shop. I=92ve found I am not very good at visualizing how all the piec
es
of the plane would fit together. So this little exercise worked out great
for me. I downloaded Google Sketchup 8 to draw the model. I probably have
over 500 hours in the drawing (yea I know, I could have used those hours to
build the plane). I used to have to look through dozens of pictures to see
how a part was used, now I just pull the drawing up, zoom, pan and rotate t
o
see how something fits on the plane. While not the original intent, some
folks have asked me offline if I could make the model available to them for
their build. So after discussing it with some senior members and friends in
this group. I=92ve going to try and make it available to the group. But fir
st
I would like one or two people to review the computer model and honestly
tell everyone (including me) what they think. I=92m looking for people that
have a good knowledge of the Pietenpol, preferably someone who has built th
e
real deal. The second thing is they have to know computers well enough to
help with any problems that might come up. If your interested, please email
me offline. I=92ll pick the 2 most qualified people and send them the drawi
ng
to review.......
Charles Waldo
(Where=92s Waldo?)
cwaldo.jr(at)gmail.com
PS: You can=92t build a Pietenpol from this drawing. It was intended only t
o
show how all the pieces fit together. You still need to buy the plans from
the Pietenpol family to build the plane!
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage tank and the C-85 engine...and beware |
ethanol in au
I get mine here in Vancouver from Chevron. It's
also the high grade.
Clif
> In Canada, for the most part, Shell is the only large retailer that still
> offers ethanol-free gas - and then only the high-grade (91 octane) fuel.
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| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: wings about to take shape |
Tom D.
Yes=2C they're 3/4 unrouted on the CC. I live in Brooklyn Park and would l
ove to have you stop in and take a look - as long as I could do the same so
me time. Feel free to give me a call sometime. 612-210-4103. Aircraft Spr
uce just emailed me today to let me know I'm on the 'first come=2C first se
rve list'... Guess that means they haven't shipped yet. They didn't reall
y give me a clue on when it would ship either.. I so love good customer se
rvice..
Take care=2C
Tom B.
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings about to take shape
> From: tdudley(at)umn.edu
> Date: Sun=2C 9 Oct 2011 22:29:23 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Tom B.
>
> I appreciate your post. I have the same question about attachment of the
rib to the spar but you beat me to it. Like yourself=2C I just ordered sp
ars for the wing from Aircraft Spruce this week (Wednesday). Judging from
your center section=2C you went with the 3/4" unrouted spars? That's what
I ultimately decided to do after much consideration. If I remember correct
ly from previous posts=2C are you from Minnesota? If so=2C maybe we could
get together and I could see your project. I'm hoping the truck from Aircr
aft Spruce comes quickly!
>
> Tom D.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | How to contact a local Piet? |
| From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
My understanding is that there is a local Pietenpol here is Freeport IL. I would
love to see it and try it on for size, ask questions ect.
How can i contact this guy?
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| Subject: | Re: Bryan's needs for electricals with an A-65 |
| From: | Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com> |
Bryan,
You have a clear path toward success-- good choices all around. Since
you need power, some thoughts:
Chuck Gantzer (Wichita, KS) has a solar panel on his Piet, on the
starboard wing, as I recall. I think he added it for long
cross-country. Others on the Piet MB have talked about using a
cordless drill battery for a common battery solution. They are
recharging the light battery on the ground, but solar could work in
flight. (I have not seen this combo, but will look into it, as I aslo
have an A-65.)
Others have used major add-on antennas to augment their handheld
radio's reach. If you do, use an aluminum "ground plane" under the
"stick" antenna, or consider a genuine metal dipole, possible in a
wooden aeroplane.
I think the main LG solution of Kevin Purtee is hard to beat. The
split LG with springs absorbs shock, and is likely lighter than the
solid axle. The baby buggy wheels are great, and add to the "magnet"
appeal of the design. Be sure to include disc brakes and a steerable
tailwheel in your thinking. Jack Phillips has a very nice design on
the tailwheel assy., with a coil spring, to replace BP's Model T
spring. (I copied his.)
Jack Phillips' installation of radios is also a very neat idea and a
great use of space. Jack has his transponder and radio up there for
the spatial reasons he stated. This is also good ergonomics, since
those items are far less monitored normally than the other stuff lower
down in normal eye search. BTW putting your GPS up there puts the
screen out of the glare of the sun. That is my plan, if I EVER get
that far. (I hope never to need a transponder. but bet we will all
need the newest FAA stuff, in time.)
Good luck with your build.
Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | RePiet from Gardiner |
| From: | Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com> |
Gardiner,
Great progress. Great stuff. Good for you.
Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | Holes in helmet box |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hey Jack Phillips,
I was admiring the photo of your radio set-up in your center section. What
is the purpose of those small holes in the underside of the helmet box?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Bryan's needs for electricals with an A-65 |
| From: | Bryan Reed <reed44(at)gmail.com> |
Tim,
Solar, something we have no shortage of here. I just looked at "Power
Film" on Ebay and it may be an option.
I had an alternator shaft seize coming back from Camarillo, CA one night
in the 172 and was able to run for 2-hours into GEU with battery only. That
was with nav lights and the stack full on. I still had battery on landing
for flaps and it fired right up after we changed out the alternator. I
am optimistic that a 12-volt marine battery would power a digital radio and
transponder for 10-plus hours. That exceeds my bladder limit by at least
8-hours.
Thanks,
Bryan
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:13 AM, Timothy Willis wrote:
> timwillis01(at)gmail.com>
>
> Bryan,
>
> You have a clear path toward success-- good choices all around. Since
> you need power, some thoughts:
>
> Chuck Gantzer (Wichita, KS) has a solar panel on his Piet, on the
> starboard wing, as I recall. I think he added it for long
> cross-country. Others on the Piet MB have talked about using a
> cordless drill battery for a common battery solution. They are
> recharging the light battery on the ground, but solar could work in
> flight. (I have not seen this combo, but will look into it, as I aslo
> have an A-65.)
>
> Others have used major add-on antennas to augment their handheld
> radio's reach. If you do, use an aluminum "ground plane" under the
> "stick" antenna, or consider a genuine metal dipole, possible in a
> wooden aeroplane.
>
> I think the main LG solution of Kevin Purtee is hard to beat. The
> split LG with springs absorbs shock, and is likely lighter than the
> solid axle. The baby buggy wheels are great, and add to the "magnet"
> appeal of the design. Be sure to include disc brakes and a steerable
> tailwheel in your thinking. Jack Phillips has a very nice design on
> the tailwheel assy., with a coil spring, to replace BP's Model T
> spring. (I copied his.)
>
> Jack Phillips' installation of radios is also a very neat idea and a
> great use of space. Jack has his transponder and radio up there for
> the spatial reasons he stated. This is also good ergonomics, since
> those items are far less monitored normally than the other stuff lower
> down in normal eye search. BTW putting your GPS up there puts the
> screen out of the glare of the sun. That is my plan, if I EVER get
> that far. (I hope never to need a transponder. but bet we will all
> need the newest FAA stuff, in time.)
>
> Good luck with your build.
>
> Tim in central TX
>
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Welcome Bryan!- My only comment at this time would be: since it sounds li
ke you have the skills, (tools as well?) then you may want to think about b
uying your sitka in bulk and making all of your pieces parts from that. The
only pre-machined wood I bought were the wing spars.
This will be a great time for you...whatkind wood work have you done in the
past? I have been making furniture for the home from time to time.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Bryan Reed" <reed44(at)gmail.com> |
Michael,
My thoughts exactly. I have looked at Aircraft Spruce and Wicks. Both seem quite
high priced for the wood. I am waiting for plans to verify their lists but
both seem light on quantity. Any opinion on the above? Several local builders
have told me to avoid Aircraft Spruce for the wood as Wicks is now the main
supplier for wood built market. ???? I have used Aircraft Spruce quite successfully
in the past on other items.
Thank you,
Bryan
--------
While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
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| Subject: | Re: How to contact a local Piet? |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Well, you could probably use a telephone, or the postal system, or even email.
Those seem to be the most common methods used to contact people these days.
:)
Seriously, though, Freeport isn't that big a place. The Pietenpol you're looking
for is probably Tim Mickel's (N57TL).
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Tim%20Mickel/images/DSCF0170.JPG
Bill C.
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
Waldo:
I would love to see your 3D model and I bet it will help a bunch when
you get to building the real thing. I will not be one of your reviewers
as my Piet is still in the "now how do I make this work?" stage. I am
also a total novice at Google Sketchup but want to learn more. While
not the traditional route to build an Air Camper, your approach has some
real merit!
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, Ks.
N328X
>>> Charles Waldo 10/11/2011 9:52 PM >>>
Charles Waldo
(Wheres Waldo?)
cwaldo.jr(at)gmail.com
PS: You cant build a Pietenpol from this drawing. It was intended only
to show how all the pieces fit together. You still need to buy the plans
from the Pietenpol family to build the plane!
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Bryan,
Welcome to the group. Hope you have a good sense of humor - it will come in handy
while sifting through some of the posts.
Sounds like you have a pretty good grip on how you want to build your Piet. Stick
to the plans as much as possible, and keep it light.
16" motorcycle wheels (I assume that you are referring to the rim size) will probably
look a little small. Most builders use 18", 19" or 21" rims. Personally,
I think 20" would be perfect, but they're pretty scarce (as are the tires to
go with them).
As for wood - yes the prices for Sitka at Wicks and Aircraft Spruce do seem a bit
pricy, BUT.... the wood they send you will be milled to size, and inspected.
When you buy rough lumber, there can always be hidden flaws that you won't find
until you slice it up. Their prices reflect the waste that is inevitable.
I have heard good things about both suppliers. Having said that, I chose to buy
rough-sawn Sitka planks, and milled all my pieces. I bought planks from two
different local suppliers, and while one was less than half the price of the other,
I was much happier with the "expensive" plank, which I paid $18/bd ft for.
Every cubic inch of that plank was usable, whereas the other plank had some
unusable sections. As with most things, "ya gets what ya pays for". One bit of
advice - whether you choose to mill your own wood, or order pre-cut pieces -
order one or two of Aircraft Spruce's Bargain Bag of Spruce. Lost of good usable
smaller pieces of Sitka that you will definitely find a use for while building.
As has been pointed out before, the wood may seem expensive, but it actually accounts
for a small percentage of the overall cost of the aircraft.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: How to contact a local Piet? |
| From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks Guys!!
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| Subject: | Stromberg Mixture |
| From: | Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com> |
I'm in the process of re-installing my engine. I've run into a problem on
connecting up the mixture control, I have either lost some parts or the
ones I have are damaged. There is a copper sleeve that the cable goes
through. It appears a drilled head screw goes through the control arm and
into the copper sleeve. Looking closely at that connection, it looks like
the threads of the screw have been fouled, perhaps by having the tip of the
screw been cranked into the cable within the sleeve.
Feel free to wax verbose on the treatment of this connection. It would be
great if someone could post a picture of this side of the installation. I
am uncertain at this point if my trouble is that my parts are damaged or
that I am missing something/ hooking it up wrong. If I need replacements I
don't even know what to call them. It this something Fresno Airparts would
have?
Thanks for the help.
--
Andrew Eldredge
Provo, UT
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| From: | Bryan Reed <reed44(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the info Bill. Still deciding on the wood. Milling everything
is not a problem if I need to. The other hand says just buy the ready made
and save my time for other dragons to slay.
Bryan
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Bill Church wrote:
> billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
>
> Bryan,
> Welcome to the group. Hope you have a good sense of humor - it will come in
> handy while sifting through some of the posts.
> Sounds like you have a pretty good grip on how you want to build your Piet.
> Stick to the plans as much as possible, and keep it light.
> 16" motorcycle wheels (I assume that you are referring to the rim size)
> will probably look a little small. Most builders use 18", 19" or 21" rims.
> Personally, I think 20" would be perfect, but they're pretty scarce (as are
> the tires to go with them).
> As for wood - yes the prices for Sitka at Wicks and Aircraft Spruce do seem
> a bit pricy, BUT.... the wood they send you will be milled to size, and
> inspected. When you buy rough lumber, there can always be hidden flaws that
> you won't find until you slice it up. Their prices reflect the waste that is
> inevitable. I have heard good things about both suppliers. Having said that,
> I chose to buy rough-sawn Sitka planks, and milled all my pieces. I bought
> planks from two different local suppliers, and while one was less than half
> the price of the other, I was much happier with the "expensive" plank, which
> I paid $18/bd ft for. Every cubic inch of that plank was usable, whereas the
> other plank had some unusable sections. As with most things, "ya gets what
> ya pays for". One bit of advice - whether you choose to mill your own wood,
> or order pre-cut pieces - order one or two of Aircraft Spruce's Bargain Bag
> of Spruce. Lost of good usable smaller pieces of Sitka that you will
> definitely!
> find a use for while building.
> As has been pointed out before, the wood may seem expensive, but it
> actually accounts for a small percentage of the overall cost of the
> aircraft.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354807#354807
>
>
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| From: | santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar> |
| Subject: | Covering question |
Hi everyone!=0AI have a one piece-wing and-was thinking-about making
an aluminum frame (large enough to allow the tank to be removed-if needed
) glued to the fabric like any inspection ring. If I have to-remove the t
ank, I-can cut the fabric and later cover the hole with an aluminum panel
screwed to the frame an maybe to-the rib caps if any distortion appears.
=0AAnyone see a problem with this?=0ASaludos=0A-=0ASantiago
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
First a clarification...I ordered my spars and longerons pre-cut. The spars
came from Public Lumber and the longerons from Aircraft Spruce.
All my bulk lumber came from Public Lumber and one other place...who's name
escapes me at the moment. I kept the length within UPS shipping limits so
there was no "extra" charge of any kind.- I had very few bad spots in/on
all my wood and really enjoyed making the pieces myself.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Covering question |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Santiago,
I see no reason that this would not work. Sounds like a very good idea to m
e. Glad to see you are back at it amigo!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar>
Sent: Wed, Oct 12, 2011 11:05 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering question
Hi everyone!
I have a one piece wing and was thinking about making an aluminum frame (la
rge enough to allow the tank to be removed if needed) glued to the fabric l
ike any inspection ring. If I have to remove the tank, I can cut the fabric
and later cover the hole with an aluminum panel screwed to the frame an ma
ybe to the rib caps if any distortion appears.
Anyone see a problem with this?
Saludos
Santiago
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| Subject: | Re: How to contact a local Piet? |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
I believe another way to "contact" a local piet is to yell "clear prop" :D :)
:(
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Covering question |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Santiago - Needs to be a really strong aluminum frame.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Stromberg Mixture |
| From: | Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com> |
Perhaps this would be a good replacement?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/cablendbnut.php
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Andrew Eldredge
wrote:
> I'm in the process of re-installing my engine. I've run into a problem on
> connecting up the mixture control, I have either lost some parts or the
> ones I have are damaged. There is a copper sleeve that the cable goes
> through. It appears a drilled head screw goes through the control arm and
> into the copper sleeve. Looking closely at that connection, it looks like
> the threads of the screw have been fouled, perhaps by having the tip of the
> screw been cranked into the cable within the sleeve.
>
> Feel free to wax verbose on the treatment of this connection. It would be
> great if someone could post a picture of this side of the installation. I
> am uncertain at this point if my trouble is that my parts are damaged or
> that I am missing something/ hooking it up wrong. If I need replacements I
> don't even know what to call them. It this something Fresno Airparts would
> have?
>
> Thanks for the help.
> --
> Andrew Eldredge
> Provo, UT
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Andrew Eldredge
Provo, UT
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Covering question |
Hi Santiago,
I have go with Kevin on this one, and just go straight for the aluminum
cover screwed into t-nuts which are mounted in the rib caps. That's
what I ended up doing when I had to cut into my center section.
Go back a couple days in the archive and look for the message thread
about "Covering question". I posted a picture of how Ted Davis's New
Standard addresses this same problem.
Cheers,
Dan
On 10/12/2011 11:03 AM, santiago morete wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> I have a one piece wing and was thinking about making an aluminum frame
> (large enough to allow the tank to be removed if needed) glued to the
> fabric like any inspection ring. If I have to remove the tank, I can cut
> the fabric and later cover the hole with an aluminum panel screwed to
> the frame an maybe to the rib caps if any distortion appears.
> Anyone see a problem with this?
> Saludos
> Santiago
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: How to contact a local Piet? |
| From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
har har har :D
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: How to contact a local Piet? |
Here's Jack T's handy-dandy directory! I see that Tim Mickel's name and
contact info does not appear here. Maybe someone can provide it so that we
can make harassing phone calls late on Sunday night...
Gary from Cool
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| Subject: | Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Made it to Chickamauga this evening. What a trip. Can't imagine a better time
of the year. While practically nothing happened as planned, it was twice the
trip I had hoped.
Tools
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Bryan
Are you anywhere near Madison, Wi.? If so there is a source in Madison Mc
Cormack Lumber and it might be worth a search around the country of other
sources also. Boat building shops are a good posibility.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Reed" <reed44(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to List
>
> Michael,
>
> My thoughts exactly. I have looked at Aircraft Spruce and Wicks. Both
> seem quite high priced for the wood. I am waiting for plans to verify
> their lists but both seem light on quantity. Any opinion on the above?
> Several local builders have told me to avoid Aircraft Spruce for the wood
> as Wicks is now the main supplier for wood built market. ???? I have used
> Aircraft Spruce quite successfully in the past on other items.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Bryan
>
> --------
> While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354793#354793
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Is there nothing casein glue can't do? |
| From: | "flea" <jimgriggs(at)yahoo.com> |
yocum137 wrote:
>
>
> At least I'm not on 24x7 pager duty, this week.
>
> --
Does anyone still use pagers?
Seems like a waste to archive, so don't do it.
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| Subject: | Re: How to contact a local Piet? |
| From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
I think that my boy and I will make our way over to the airport and check in with
the guys over there. Give them my business card and ask them to give it to
Tim.
Besides there is a T-38 gate guard over there that he really likes to see.
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| Subject: | Re: How to contact a local Piet? |
| From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
I think that my boy and I will make our way over to the airport and check in with
the guys over there. Give them my business card and ask them to give it to
Tim.
Besides there is a T-38 gate guard over there that he really likes to see.
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| Subject: | Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA |
| From: | "Dale McCleskey" <dale.mccleskey(at)lifeway.com> |
Glad you made it home. Wanna hear the story sometime. And now I've got an excuse
to fly south some spring day. Congrats on the Piet.
--------
Dale McCleskey
N7035N
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| Subject: | Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey Dale!
Sorry I missed you. Scott and I left our little "ditty" bag in Paxton (somewhere,
IL?) with our phone charger, my wallet, corporate ID, SNACKS, stuff like that.
So we had to make the MOST of our phone batteries and had them off unless
necessary.
Didn't get through Lebanon until yesterday afternoon, a short stop and then south
while the weather was good. As it turned out, weather was JUST good enough
to be non stressful, legal AND safe (so there were other moments earlier in the
day...) so the last leg went well.
Ran across a mechanic (the guy who helped you with the oil pressure gage in your
piet before Brodhead) who knew you! He taught us how to prop it from behind
and was kind enough to give us a prop getting out.
This whole genre of flying is absolutely NOTHING like anything I've ever done before.
It's damn challenging! Incredibly rewarding and really made this a life
event. This was essentially my son's 18th birthday present. Hmmm, maybe my
present...
I've got to sit down and take notes, try to tag the pictures before memories slip
away. We've definitely got plans to bring it back to Brodhead and Oshkosh
next year.
Thanks to all the offers for help and support along the way. Wild how I practically
missed every planned stop, but really found some neat places along the way.
Spending the night in Brodhead was really neat. We sat out there alone in
the dark and made a little campfire. It was pretty cool.
Time to get busy around here, I'll fill in on details later!
Cheers,
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Oh ya Dale,
I was definitely thinking of flying back up or inviting you down (or both). I
flew over some really neat little field (I think I "tagged" it with my GPS) about
half way that is a base for hunting lodges or something. That might be pretty
cool.
The Piet really draws a lot of attention where ever it goes, that was a lot of
fun as well.
Tools
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| Subject: | Push Pull Elevator? |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
I am wondering if anyone has detailed pictures of the "BIg" Piets push pull elevator
setups? i saw them at EAA and would like to study the design. The piet i
am finishing has a push pull set up already in it, i would just like to compare
the designs. Also, has anyone run the rudder control horn below the elevator
to give a more straight line to the rudder bar? Again mine is already built
that way and it seems to me there will be allot of twisting action of the rudder
if not mounted centered. Thanks in advance!
Chris
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Holes in helmet box |
Hi Dan,
Those are just vent holes to allow moisture to dry out.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Holes in helmet box
Hey Jack Phillips,
I was admiring the photo of your radio set-up in your center section. What
is the purpose of those small holes in the underside of the helmet box?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| From: | "Bryan Reed" <reed44(at)gmail.com> |
I want to thank all for the welcome and loads of tips and good information. I apologize
if I did not respond to all posts as time has been hard to find this
week. I did indeed read all of them. Unfortunately, I am still cursed as a working
man and with one in college my work load must still remain high. I am envious
to those that have more free time. Actually I am "VERY" envious to those
that are lucky enough to fly off all those beautiful grass strips. I only had
the pleasure to do so once and it was like landing on carpet.
Since I am not a devious man I will "attempt" to refrain from comments on the
beautiful spring-like weather we will have for the next 6-months while many of
you endure the harsh coming months. : ) I will full well expect the comments
regarding our heat here in Arizona for the months of July and August but alas
would not want to trade my 2 for your 6. : )
Cheers to all and CAVU,
Bryan
--------
While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Push Pull Elevator? |
I'll send you some pictures
Barry
Big Piet
NX973BP
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Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push Pull Elevator?
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I am wondering if anyone has detailed pictures of the "BIg" Piets push pull
elevator setups? i saw them at EAA and would like to study the design. The
piet i am finishing has a push pull set up already in it, i would just like
to compare the designs. Also, has anyone run the rudder control horn below
the elevator to give a more straight line to the rudder bar? Again mine is
already built that way and it seems to me there will be allot of twisting
action of the rudder if not mounted centered. Thanks in advance!
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Push Pull Elevator? |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Chris,
When it comes to the Pietenpol, just about EVERY idea has been tried at least once
- well, except some of Michael Perez's ideas... :) . Just kidding, Michael.
The lowered rudder horn is one of the modifications commonly done in the UK. In
order to compensate for the torsion imposed on the rudder, the structure gets
beefed up, as indicated in the attached, poor image quality sketch.
Bill C.
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Push Pull Elevator? |
Chris, the GN-1 plans show the rudder horn below the elevators but the
bottom of the rudder is beefed up pretty well. Pobably adds a bit of weight
but I think it's worth it-- I'm doing my rudder that way. I just don't like
the looks of the rudder cables going up above the stab/elev. C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push Pull Elevator?
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> I am wondering if anyone has detailed pictures of the "BIg" Piets push
> pull elevator setups? i saw them at EAA and would like to study the
> design. The piet i am finishing has a push pull set up already in it, i
> would just like to compare the designs. Also, has anyone run the rudder
> control horn below the elevator to give a more straight line to the rudder
> bar? Again mine is already built that way and it seems to me there will be
> allot of twisting action of the rudder if not mounted centered. Thanks in
> advance!
> Chris
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Push Pull Elevator? |
Also, has anyone run the rudder control horn below the elevator to give a
more straight line to the rudder bar? Again mine is already built that way
and it seems to me there will be allot of twisting action of the rudder if
not mounted centered. Thanks in advance!
> Chris
Chris,
Attached is how I did mine. I like it but it hasn't flown yet.
Ski
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| Subject: | Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Here's some highlights:
My copilot:
Scott enjoying a little taxiing fam:
A campfire....
Fully a quarter of the trip below 500 feet, awesome, but...
Some was higher...
This picture just doesn't do justice to the fall foliage:
One very happy dad, new Piet owner and flyer, and happy to be there!
Tools
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to |
GA
No pictures visible. Were they supposed to be?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to
GA
Here's some highlights:
My copilot:
Scott enjoying a little taxiing fam:
A campfire....
Fully a quarter of the trip below 500 feet, awesome, but...
Some was higher...
This picture just doesn't do justice to the fall foliage:
One very happy dad, new Piet owner and flyer, and happy to be there!
Tools
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| From: | Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to |
GA
I had to go to the actual matronics site to see them, great pics!!
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:13 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote:
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> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:06 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to
> GA
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> Tools
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to |
GA
Jack, go to the matronics forum page -- the pics are there. C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:13 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back
to GA
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> No pictures visible. Were they supposed to be?
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> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:06 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to
> GA
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> Here's some highlights:
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> My copilot:
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> Scott enjoying a little taxiing fam:
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> A campfire....
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> Fully a quarter of the trip below 500 feet, awesome, but...
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> This picture just doesn't do justice to the fall foliage:
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> One very happy dad, new Piet owner and flyer, and happy to be there!
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> Tools
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> Read this topic online here:
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Update, non-Piet related |
Copy that! Is life good or what!?
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Update, non-Piet related |
That's just way cool.
Congratulations.
Jim Ash
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>From: Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Oct 13, 2011 7:08 PM
>To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update, non-Piet related
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>Pics.. For the real men.. Lol
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| Subject: | Re: Update, non-Piet related |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Congrats Matthew, glad to hear all the good news.
John
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Push Pull Elevator?2 |
hi crist , these looks bery perfect to my let talk you some, afew year ago frien
of my come to hanford ca, from woodlake arport in his pieten pol these fly like
angel in the sky these have same rudder horn in the same position your my
have in the same plase fly perfect your feel in your foot not to mouch presured
need to aply . mosly piet fly whit the original disaignt but today mosly newone
haved 50%modifications so lets duet and hapy wonderfull fly ,seyou in the
sky jorge from hanford,
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From: skipgadd(at)earthlink.net <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Push Pull Elevator?
Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 12:01 PM
Also, has anyone run the rudder control horn below the elevator to give a
more straight line to the rudder bar? Again mine is already built that way
and it seems to me there will be allot of twisting action of the rudder if
not mounted centered. Thanks in advance!
> Chris
Chris,
Attached is how I did mine. I like it but it hasn't flown yet.
Ski
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| Subject: | Pietenpol builders |
| From: | "olflyr45" <wyliejohnson45(at)gmail.com> |
If you are going to build a Pietenpol you can save 6 months of work. I have a
fuselage frame ready to cover and a complete set of tail surfaces ready to use.
Call 963-6978. Located in East Tennessee.
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| Subject: | Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA |
| From: | "GliderMike" <glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com> |
Beautiful airplane, and really nice photos. From the grin on his face, I think
Scott enjoyed the trip as much as you did. :D
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| Subject: | GN-1 accident in CA |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
This happened yesterday afternoon. The guy is OK and unhurt. I don't know him
but I believe this airplane to be a steel tube fuselage.
http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_19107738
Perhaps someone in NorCal knows him.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
A Continental C-85.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Mark,
Do you know the plane? I may have it confused with another one that used to be
near Venture CA.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
The cabane fittings on the 3 piece wing supplement plans appears to be different
than those shown on page 4 of the '34 plans. The '34 plans show an extra tab
on the fitting with a hole drilled in it for attachment of something. Can anyone
explain this to me?
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John
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
I heard Mike Giddings just got that plane.- I'm acquainted him through th
e car hobby.- He had another Piet (not sure if it was a GN 1 or not) that
was involved in an accident on the ground earlier this year where the wing
s were destroyed.- I heard he had bought this one to replace it. =0A=0A
=0AMike Groah=0ATulare CA=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:
AircamperN11MS =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.co
m=0ASent: Friday, October 14, 2011 9:31 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: G
MS" =0A=0AMark,=0A=0ADo you know the plane?- I
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C-85-12=0AWire Wheels=0ABrodhead in 1996=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onli
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
Is it possible that Mike Giddings has had another acident? The plane he re
cently aquired is a steel frame plane. I do not have Mike's email. If I di
d I would contact him to see how he is doing. I have been aquanted for 20
years. Vic Groah Tulare CA
Date: Fri=2C 14 Oct 2011 10:03:33 -0700
From: dskogrover(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 accident in CA
I heard Mike Giddings just got that plane. I'm acquainted him through the
car hobby. He had another Piet (not sure if it was a GN 1 or not) that was
involved in an accident on the ground earlier this year where the wings we
re destroyed. I heard he had bought this one to replace it.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
From: AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Sent: Friday=2C October 14=2C 2011 9:31 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 accident in CA
y.org>
Mark=2C
Do you know the plane? I may have it confused with another one that used t
o be near Venture CA.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Let me know what you guys find out. I always hate to see someone have that kind
of bad luck.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Looks like N762S.
If I recall correctly, this plane was offered for sale not too long ago.
O-200 powered, I believe.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30367102@N03/2846001424/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30367102@N03/2846001392/
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
John,
The 1934 drawings show the fittings with tabs for the diagonal cross-bracing wires
that run between the front and rear cabanes on the right hand side.
By the time the plans for the 3-piece wing were drawn up, the use of diagonal tube
bracing (running between the upper motor mount fittings and the top ends of
the front cabanes) replaced that diagonal cables, making access to the front
cockpit much easier (but still not easy).
There is a note on the 3-piece wing plan that confirms this.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
| From: | Bryce Reid <1rciokc(at)gmail.com> |
Wow that plan was for sale 1/2 mile from me, I was going to buy it but, it
just sold the day before i was going to make an offer. Dose anyone know what
happened?
On Oct 14, 2011 1:52 PM, "Bill Church" wrote:
> billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
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> Looks like N762S.
> If I recall correctly, this plane was offered for sale not too long ago.
> O-200 powered, I believe.
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> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30367102@N03/2846001424/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30367102@N03/2846001392/
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> Bill C.
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
Lost power after takeoff. No other info. C
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From: Bryce Reid
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 accident in CA
Wow that plan was for sale 1/2 mile from me, I was going to buy it
but, it just sold the day before i was going to make an offer. Dose
anyone know what happened?
On Oct 14, 2011 1:52 PM, "Bill Church" wrote:
Looks like N762S.
If I recall correctly, this plane was offered for sale not too long
ago.
O-200 powered, I believe.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30367102@N03/2846001424/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30367102@N03/2846001392/
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
I found this pic on westcoastpiet under Jack Textor. Can I assume because he is
using this style fitting he is going to add the wires?
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
That sounds like a question for Jack.
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
No, I do not know the airplane or Mr. Giddings.
I looked up a registration of an Air Camper to Mike Giddings and it listed a "Continental
C-85" as the powerplant. I did not realize he had more than one, so
this may have been on his previous airplane. Sorry if I added any confusion.
Hey, at least it wasn't a Corvair, right? This thread would be BLOWING UP if it
were one of those crumby crank snappers. LOL!
If anyone knows what happened to the C-85 (first event I assume) or the O-200,
we'd all be interested in knowing.
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Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=139227
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Sure enough, O-200 in that airplane, which is registered as a "Pietenpol Aircamper"
built by Robert Spink.
I found a listing on the C-85 aircraft... registered to Mike Giddens. It was registered
as a "Collins Pietenpol-Parasol", certified in 1981 and had a C-85.
Not sure if that was the other airplane or not... just a listing I found. Can't
find any details on what happened to it though.
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Mark Chouinard
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
The c85 powered plane was his first Piet.- It ran away from him after han
d propping and ran between two buildings. Both wings were totally destroyed
.- I think one or two ribs were left unbroken but that was all. All the o
ther ribs and the spars were destroyed.- =0A=0A=0AHere is a pic of the fi
rst Piet:- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: K5YAC
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er 14, 2011 2:09 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 accident in CA=0A
re enough, O-200 in that airplane, which is registered as a "Pietenpol Airc
amper" built by Robert Spink.- =0A=0AI found a listing on the C-85 aircra
ft... registered to Mike Giddens.- It was registered as a "Collins Pieten
pol-Parasol", certified in 1981 and had a C-85.- Not sure if that was the
other airplane or not... just a listing I found.- Can't find any details
on what happened to it though.=0A=0A--------=0AMark Chouinard=0AWings, Cen
ter Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
I see several spellings of Mike Giddens but Giddens is the way the name is
spelled in my car club roster. He is listed as living in Novato Ca. Mike
is a great guy and does not deserve this much grief. I am sorry to here o
f this unfortunate incident. Maybe there will be enough parts from the two
planes to make one?? If you are reading this Mike we are sooo sorry for
the mishap. What a huge bummer Vic
Date: Fri=2C 14 Oct 2011 14:44:07 -0700
From: dskogrover(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 accident in CA
The c85 powered plane was his first Piet. It ran away from him after hand
propping and ran between two buildings. Both wings were totally destroyed.
I think one or two ribs were left unbroken but that was all. All the other
ribs and the spars were destroyed.
Here is a pic of the first Piet:
From: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Sent: Friday=2C October 14=2C 2011 2:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 accident in CA
Sure enough=2C O-200 in that airplane=2C which is registered as a "Pietenpo
l Aircamper" built by Robert Spink.
I found a listing on the C-85 aircraft... registered to Mike Giddens. It w
as registered as a "Collins Pietenpol-Parasol"=2C certified in 1981 and had
a C-85. Not sure if that was the other airplane or not... just a listing
I found. Can't find any details on what happened to it though.
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| Subject: | Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Ya, it was clearly a life event. So, guess what I did today?
Keep in mind I have seven THOUSAND flight hours, a couple of type ratings, SEVENTEEN
FORMAL aircraft training programs under my belt, 250 traps, about a thousand
hours of flight engineer time and this is really the first time this has
EVER happened for me....
I went flying for FUN. My son and I jumped in an airplane and flew around waving
at people we know. I didn't have the greatest landing, so I back taxied and
did it again!
One point three hours of just pure fun. Not going anywhere, didn't have to get
there, didn't have any reason to be there but because we wanted to and love to
fly.
I know this may seem a bit mundane to a group that is diametrically opposite...
in that this plane isn't really good for ANY reason other than fun. So I guess
I'm in the right genre.
Insofar as it being a beautiful plane, THANKS, YA, but, send those sentiments to
Dick N! I love it, but have only gotten it more dirty since I've owned it!
Dick built the PERFECT plane for us. And it totally increases my resolve to
build one of my own.
Cheers,
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to |
GA
| From: | jim_markle(at)mindspring.com |
I'm framing this one....
------Original Message------
From: tools
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
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Sent: Oct 14, 2011 10:12 PM
Ya, it was clearly a life event. So, guess what I did today?
Keep in mind I have seven THOUSAND flight hours, a couple of type ratings, SEVENTEEN
FORMAL aircraft training programs under my belt, 250 traps, about a thousand
hours of flight engineer time and this is really the first time this has
EVER happened for me....
I went flying for FUN. My son and I jumped in an airplane and flew around waving
at people we know. I didn't have the greatest landing, so I back taxied and
did it again!
One point three hours of just pure fun. Not going anywhere, didn't have to get
there, didn't have any reason to be there but because we wanted to and love to
fly.
I know this may seem a bit mundane to a group that is diametrically opposite...
in that this plane isn't really good for ANY reason other than fun. So I guess
I'm in the right genre.
Insofar as it being a beautiful plane, THANKS, YA, but, send those sentiments to
Dick N! I love it, but have only gotten it more dirty since I've owned it!
Dick built the PERFECT plane for us. And it totally increases my resolve to
build one of my own.
Cheers,
Tools
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to |
GA
And another one succumbs to the "Pietenpol Enlightenment"...
----- Original Message -----
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 9:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to
GA
>
> Ya, it was clearly a life event. So, guess what I did today?
>
> Keep in mind I have seven THOUSAND flight hours, a couple of type ratings,
> SEVENTEEN FORMAL aircraft training programs under my belt, 250 traps,
> about a thousand hours of flight engineer time and this is really the
> first time this has EVER happened for me....
>
> I went flying for FUN. My son and I jumped in an airplane and flew around
> waving at people we know. I didn't have the greatest landing, so I back
> taxied and did it again!
>
> One point three hours of just pure fun. Not going anywhere, didn't have
> to get there, didn't have any reason to be there but because we wanted to
> and love to fly.
>
> I know this may seem a bit mundane to a group that is diametrically
> opposite... in that this plane isn't really good for ANY reason other than
> fun. So I guess I'm in the right genre.
>
> Insofar as it being a beautiful plane, THANKS, YA, but, send those
> sentiments to Dick N! I love it, but have only gotten it more dirty since
> I've owned it! Dick built the PERFECT plane for us. And it totally
> increases my resolve to build one of my own.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tools
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355066#355066
>
>
>
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to |
GA
Hi Mike
I'm glad everything went well for you. I am really missing that Piet right
now. Take good care of her.
Dick N
----- Original Message -----
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 9:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to
GA
>
> Ya, it was clearly a life event. So, guess what I did today?
>
> Keep in mind I have seven THOUSAND flight hours, a couple of type ratings,
> SEVENTEEN FORMAL aircraft training programs under my belt, 250 traps,
> about a thousand hours of flight engineer time and this is really the
> first time this has EVER happened for me....
>
> I went flying for FUN. My son and I jumped in an airplane and flew around
> waving at people we know. I didn't have the greatest landing, so I back
> taxied and did it again!
>
> One point three hours of just pure fun. Not going anywhere, didn't have
> to get there, didn't have any reason to be there but because we wanted to
> and love to fly.
>
> I know this may seem a bit mundane to a group that is diametrically
> opposite... in that this plane isn't really good for ANY reason other than
> fun. So I guess I'm in the right genre.
>
> Insofar as it being a beautiful plane, THANKS, YA, but, send those
> sentiments to Dick N! I love it, but have only gotten it more dirty since
> I've owned it! Dick built the PERFECT plane for us. And it totally
> increases my resolve to build one of my own.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tools
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355066#355066
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
John the tab is for attaching the streamline tube from the fitting forward
to the upper engine mount as Bill described.
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 2:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings
I found this pic on westcoastpiet under Jack Textor. Can I assume because
he is using this style fitting he is going to add the wires?
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John
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 accident in CA |
| From: | "MyrickPiet" <N762sierra(at)gmail.com> |
The plane was actually a Grega but first licenced as a Piet by Mr. Spink. Built
in Florida in 1991. I owned it for some years both in CA and OK and sold it
to Mike last May. He told me about his other Piet and its demise and just wanting
another similar plane. The 0-200 always ran strong, fuel flow was not a
problem unless there wasn't any. Plane had a 12 gal. fuse tank and a 6 gal.
wing tank. Many years ago I also experienced a loss on takeoff after leaving
the selector on "OFF". Luckily we were on a looong runway and got the handle
switched and engine restarted while still over the field. It does get your attention
though. So glad to see that Mike was unhurt.
This was my last pic of the Piet.
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Jack, I'm a big fan of your craftsmanship but am still confused on this issue.
The "new" three piece wing plans show the fitting without the tab and says "center
strut fittings shown on this print are to be used with diagonal braces down
to the top motor mount fittings". I believe this is what Bill Church was saying
as well. I'm not saying you couldn't make the tabbed fitting work with
the diagonal braces but think it was originally designed for the wire bracing.
--------
John
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| Subject: | Landing video. Couple more pics. |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Scott took this video during one of the landings. We have a lot of organizing
to do!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5dwnPOMDgk
Here's some of the highlights from his camera:
Tornado damage on Lookout Mountain several months ago:
His camera seemed to get the colors better:
This is Muhlenberg Co. KY (Greenville) where we got weathered in a couple hours.
BEAUTIFUL facility, super nice folks, would have sworn we flew in a rare WWI
warbird or something!
Over the shoulder...
Weather JUST cooperated on the last leg!
Ohio Co, where we wanted to go is over there, under that stuff. That's why we
went to Muhlenberg!
Scott couldn't help but notice that mini vans kept passing us.... specific consumers...
Although we did pass a combine on the road once!
Letting down over the last hill! Almost there!
Tools
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
John as I look closer you may be correct. I fabricated mine from drawing 4
of the original plans, with the tab on the front fittings only. I felt this
was a good way to "connect" to the tubing down to the upper motor mounts. I
didn't see a similar way to do so on the improved plans.
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 7:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings
Jack, I'm a big fan of your craftsmanship but am still confused on this
issue. The "new" three piece wing plans show the fitting without the tab
and says "center strut fittings shown on this print are to be used with
diagonal braces down to the top motor mount fittings". I believe this is
what Bill Church was saying as well. I'm not saying you couldn't make the
tabbed fitting work with the diagonal braces but think it was originally
designed for the wire bracing.
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: Update on Mike "Tools" Danford's Trek back to GA |
| From: | "Larry Vetter" <vetter(at)evertek.net> |
Congratulations, I looked at that Piet. at Brodhead, and asked Dick about it when
I got home to see if it had sold.. Glad it went to a good home. Looks like
your having WAY to much fun :D
My brothers Piet. is flying again and now I get to watch him having fun....really
need to work on mine [Rolling Eyes]
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
I have been looking through all my saved pictures and haven't found any yet showing
this connection.
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John
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
John,
You're on your own to come up with the upper connection for the diagonal bracing.
It is not shown in any Pietenpol plans (maybe the Grega plans have something?).
Some builders connect the diagonal bracing to the upper front cabane brackets,
like Jack is doing, and some builders attach to the cabane strut, just below
the fitting. Either method will work. You should be able to find plenty of
relevant photos on westcoastpiet.com .
Probably the reason why there are no details in the Pietenpol plans is that when
BHP used the diagonal bracing (the Last Original), he welded the diagonals to
the cabanes. Thus no need for fittings at the top end. The only catch with this
method is that there is no adjustment, so if the wings need to be shifted
aft (or fore) for W+B, you will need to make new struts.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/BHP%20Built/images/DSCF0180.JPG
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Thanks Bill but I would question if that little tab was strong enough.
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
After putting much thought and research into this conundrum, I decided to do what
Gary Boothe did......tie them together with string. [Wink]
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John
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
John,
If used as a connection for a forward brace, that tab is probably OK in
normal flight, as it will always be in tension. However, others have
expressed concern about what may happen in a nose-over, or similar incident,
and the tab bends or breaks, and the wing is allowed to shift, causing wing
tank fuel lines to rupture. It is an easy matter to design and build several
alternatives, if you think that is a concern. You are obviously putting
thought into this, so let us know what you come up with.
My struts and braces are wood, so require a different approach...
Gary from Cool
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fittings
Thanks Bill but I would question if that little tab was strong enough.
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John
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey all,
I usually don't do stuff like this, but thought some of you might find it
interesting. Ck out this link to a very cool piece I'm finishing up and If
you find it interesting, please forward it along to lots of people as we're
trying to get a lot of "hits" on this story hoping that their parent company
Fox will want to do a regular network story on it.
Thanks for your patience!!
Douwe
<http://thedc.com/afghan_911> http://thedc.com/afghan_911
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| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Awesome Douwe.
--------
John
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
Agree....
Thank You Douwe
-----Original Message-----
>From: Kringle <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
>Sent: Oct 15, 2011 2:28 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cool video
>
>
>Awesome Douwe.
>
>--------
>John
>
>
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
That was a great video. My first question, are there going to be small
copies of this sculpture available for purchace? If so I would like to
reserve one.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cool video
Hey all,
I usually don't do stuff like this, but thought some of you might find
it interesting. Ck out this link to a very cool piece I'm finishing up
and If you find it interesting, please forward it along to lots of
people as we're trying to get a lot of "hits" on this story hoping that
their parent company Fox will want to do a regular network story on it.
Thanks for your patience!!
Douwe
http://thedc.com/afghan_911
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Very nice Douwe.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
Really Cool Douwe.
The studio looked kinda barren with no Piet sitting in the middle of it,
but I guess I can understand the change in the layout, sculpture and all.
Actually that's just too cool, congratulations and what an honor to be
selected for such a project, like Dan says WOW! I am impressed.
and if miniatures should become available, put me in right above Dick N on
the list for my copy.
Great Job and thanks for sharing
John
This is worth archiving at least once
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | the siren song of the Aircamper |
Yes, Tools has fallen for the same lady that the rest of us have.
I'm an engineer. Logical, rational, methodical. And yet, I
fall for the lure of the open cockpit and the "scent of an airplane"
that comes from the wood and fabric of my Pietenpol, without rhyme
or reason. It's the perfect elixir of avgas, exhaust, wood, and
some sublime mixture that Ray Stits or Bernard Pietenpol or
somebody came up with in a back room somewhere. Heck, for all I
know there is a John Stromberg and a Fred Continental who also
sat in the room and sprinkled some kind of pixie dust in the vial
to come up with the intoxicating stuff. It comes out of these
old airplanes, from their exhausts and cockpits and propwashes,
and fills our senses and leads us around on a leash like puppies.
Whatever it is, it's more potent than wine, women, or song. It's
what keeps pulling us back to the hangar, to the cockpit, to the
prop, throttle, and stick.
We go nowhere on these flights... we start and end up at the same place. It's
like a ride that ends too soon but the next one is only as far away
as the hangar door and the fuel valve, so we can keep going back
again and again. We fly the same routine, feel the same sensations
through the wires and controls, feel the same blast of air on our
faces, but each time it's new again, and perfect. There is just no
explanation for what it is about flying these old airplanes.
But I'm preaching to the choir here. Also missing my airplane, very much.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Cabane fittings |
Here's a couple of pics of my solution. The
centerline of the brace strut lines up with the
center of the mounting bolt.
Hopefully I will never be in a position to test
the thing. :-)
Hey KM, glad to have been of assistance re
drill guide. When I first saw the thing many years
ago it knocked me over. Such an elegant solution
to a difficult problem!
Clif
> John,
> You're on your own to come up with the upper connection for the diagonal
> bracing. It is not shown in any Pietenpol plans Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: the siren song of the Aircamper |
| From: | Dave Nielsen <sentuchows(at)aol.com> |
Oscar, You have put to words what I have felt for many years. Thank you.
"Bat Cave" Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 11:09 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: the siren song of the Aircamper
es, Tools has fallen for the same lady that the rest of us have.
I'm an engineer. Logical, rational, methodical. And yet, I
fall for the lure of the open cockpit and the "scent of an airplane"
that comes from the wood and fabric of my Pietenpol, without rhyme
or reason. It's the perfect elixir of avgas, exhaust, wood, and
some sublime mixture that Ray Stits or Bernard Pietenpol or
somebody came up with in a back room somewhere. Heck, for all I
know there is a John Stromberg and a Fred Continental who also
sat in the room and sprinkled some kind of pixie dust in the vial
to come up with the intoxicating stuff. It comes out of these
old airplanes, from their exhausts and cockpits and propwashes,
and fills our senses and leads us around on a leash like puppies.
Whatever it is, it's more potent than wine, women, or song. It's
what keeps pulling us back to the hangar, to the cockpit, to the
prop, throttle, and stick.
We go nowhere on these flights... we start and end up at the same place. I
t's
like a ride that ends too soon but the next one is only as far away
as the hangar door and the fuel valve, so we can keep going back
again and again. We fly the same routine, feel the same sensations
through the wires and controls, feel the same blast of air on our
faces, but each time it's new again, and perfect. There is just no
explanation for what it is about flying these old airplanes.
But I'm preaching to the choir here. Also missing my airplane, very much.
Oscar Zuniga
ir Camper NX41CC "Scout"
lying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
edford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "GliderMike" <glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com> |
Anyone going to the Copperstate Fly-In this year?
I'll edit so it won't archive after the fly-in. Replies probably shouldn't archive,
as after the fly-in no one will care. I think I am biting the bullet and
spending money I don't have so I can go. I might find a job prospect there, you
never know.
--------
HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | the siren song of the Aircamper |
Thanks=2C folks.
I just write 'em the way I see 'em.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford=2C OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Siren song of the Aircamper: Young Eagles |
We had our annual "Young Eagles" program and I'm afraid a few of our
chapter members got a litte offended. Kids were willing to wait for a
ride in the Pietenpol. I mean really we had a nice vintage Cessna 140,
J-3, and a Citabria available too! I ended up giving 6 rides, and they
were about 25 minutes each, flying out over the Shuttle Landing Facility
at Kennedy Space Center. Between all the climbing in and out and the
2.7 hours of flying, I was pretty worn out by the time we were
finished. Turned over the milestone of 100 hrs flight time during one
of the flights.
On Friday I took my 77 year old mother on a 65 mile cross-country to
visit my uncle. It was a beautiful day, and we could see the VAB at KSC
from 50 miles out on the way home. Mom is a great sport and climbs into
the front pit as well as my 34 year old son. She complains a little,
but I told her that it wasn't easy for anyone! All in all a great two
days of flying.
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Fl
100 hrs, and probably 25 passengers so far
On 10/16/2011 9:05 AM, Dave Nielsen wrote:
> Oscar, You have put to words what I have felt for many years. Thank you.
> "Bat Cave" Dave
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
> To: Pietenpol List
> Sent: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 11:09 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: the siren song of the Aircamper
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga>
>
>
> Yes, Tools has fallen for the same lady that the rest of us have.
>
> I'm an engineer. Logical, rational, methodical. And yet, I
>
> fall for the lure of the open cockpit and the "scent of an airplane"
>
> that comes from the wood and fabric of my Pietenpol, without rhyme
>
> or reason. It's the perfect elixir of avgas, exhaust, wood, and
>
> some sublime mixture that Ray Stits or Bernard Pietenpol or
>
> somebody came up with in a back room somewhere. Heck, for all I
>
> know there is a John Stromberg and a Fred Continental who also
>
> sat in the room and sprinkled some kind of pixie dust in the vial
>
> to come up with the intoxicating stuff. It comes out of these
>
> old airplanes, from their exhausts and cockpits and propwashes,
>
> and fills our senses and leads us around on a leash like puppies.
>
>
> Whatever it is, it's more potent than wine, women, or song. It's
>
> what keeps pulling us back to the hangar, to the cockpit, to the
>
> prop, throttle, and stick.
>
>
> We go nowhere on these flights... we start and end up at the same place. It's
>
> like a ride that ends too soon but the next one is only as far away
>
> as the hangar door and the fuel valve, so we can keep going back
>
> again and again. We fly the same routine, feel the same sensations
>
> through the wires and controls, feel the same blast of air on our
>
> faces, but each time it's new again, and perfect. There is just no
>
> explanation for what it is about flying these old airplanes.
>
>
> But I'm preaching to the choir here. Also missing my airplane, very much.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
> Medford, OR
> website athttp://www.flysquirrel.net
>
> " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> p://forums.matronics.com
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Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Re: Siren song of the Aircamper: Young Eagles |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Good stuff Ben and congrats on the 100 hours!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Siren song of the Aircamper: Young Eagles |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Ben I sure am proud of you and for you being able to take the kids flying. I commend
everyone who takes part in giving the young folks a taste of flying.
It is great your mom is able to get in the front. What a hoot that must be.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C 2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Siren song of the Aircamper: Young Eagles |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Ben,
That is a great story. I am so glad to hear that you are willing to spend time
getting the interest of young people. They are our future.
Taking your mother for a ride in a Piet, what an experience. I'll bet she considers
you the most capable pilot she has ever know!
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: Siren song of the Aircamper: Young Eagles |
| From: | Bryan Reed <reed44(at)gmail.com> |
I was involved in the Young Eagles program here in Phoenix when a
Southwest Airlines pilot and member of the Tuskegee Airmen Association set
up an event at Glendale Airport (GEU). It was a reward
for scholastically achieving inner-city youth. When over 100 kids showed up
we had to make phone calls to ask more pilots to come in.
It was one of the most rewarding things I have ever been involved in.
For most of the kids it was their first flight ever. They had not even been
on a commercial flight. Since I only had a lowly 172 at the time and not one
of the cooler airplanes, I did not have the passenger load of some of the
others. Because of this I also took most of my fares up with one or more
parents.
Many of the flights were very emotional events. I managed 6-flights that
morning and truly felt like I was making a difference in their lives. The
flight and people involved from Tuskegee had a theme that anything was
possible. The kids (and parents) left with that thought instilled and all
seemed to truly believe. At the end of the day in talking with the other
pilots I am not sure who actually got the most from the day's event but I
was confident that many of the kids would go on and achieve good things in
life.
Cheers and CAVU (Ceiling And Visibility Unlimited)
Bryan
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:50 AM, coxwelljon wrote:
> coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
>
> Ben,
>
> That is a great story. I am so glad to hear that you are willing to spend
> time getting the interest of young people. They are our future.
>
> Taking your mother for a ride in a Piet, what an experience. I'll bet she
> considers you the most capable pilot she has ever know!
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355271#355271
>
>
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| From: | "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. |
Gents, I had a small incident with my Stinson yesterday when a wind gust blew the
passenger door open and against the boot cowl causing a small hole. I decided
to order a full sheet of material so that after fabricating the patch I will
have sufficient mterial remaining for the cowlings of my piet.
What material are most using for cowlings? 2024, 6061 or 7075? 032 or 040?
Thanks!
Scott Knowlton
Burlington Ontario
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| Subject: | so i have been using poplar |
| From: | "Kyle85" <boschkyle(at)hotmail.com> |
I am sweating pretty good right now. A co-worker of mine who is an IA told me that
Without increasing the dimensions of my lumber(poplar) that there is no way that
my airplane will pass an airworthiness inspection. My grain runout is one in
thirty or better
And eight rings per inch. I have tested a piece from every board for density and
failure modulus. There really isn't any nearby eaa chapters around me, so maybe
You guys could shed some light on this. Thanks
Kyle
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355279#355279
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| From: | Marvin Haught <handainc(at)madisoncounty.net> |
| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
Try this site -
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930091423_1993091423.pdf
A definitive report on wood for aircraft use. Just do your research and
document it, document your wood purchases with sample of each piece used
in the construction and I doubt you will have a problem as long as you
have evidence of the wood you are used meets the specs for aircraft
use. The standard are out there, and while some areas are subject to
interpretation, the standards are there. If you can show that each
piece of wood you used in your airplane meets the minimum specs and have
the evidence that it meets specs, the DAR has no grounds upon which to
deny you an airworthiness certificate. What he is likely looking for is
exactly what you will provide him - hard data upon which he can base his
decision and evidence that he made an informed decision in approving
your construction. It has been a while since I studied that document,
but if my memory serves me correctly, the tables, with a little study
and head scratching will determine if you need to upsize, downsize or
whatever in your choice of wood for aircraft use.
M. Haught
On 10/17/2011 10:50 AM, Kyle85 wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kyle85"
>
> I am sweating pretty good right now. A co-worker of mine who is an IA told me
that
> Without increasing the dimensions of my lumber(poplar) that there is no way that
my airplane will pass an airworthiness inspection. My grain runout is one
in thirty or better
> And eight rings per inch. I have tested a piece from every board for density
and failure modulus. There really isn't any nearby eaa chapters around me, so
maybe
> You guys could shed some light on this. Thanks
> Kyle
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355279#355279
>
>
--
H.Marvin Haught Jr.
Haught& Associates, Inc
Huntsville, AR 72740
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
| From: | Dave Nielsen <sentuchows(at)aol.com> |
I hate to stick my neck out here, but here goes. You are building an experi
mental aircraft. You can build it outta concrete or balsa wood if you want
to. One won't fly and the other would probably kill you. However, you can d
o it if you want to. Poplar is somewhere in between. The DAR shouldn't have
a problem with your airplane. I've built four planes and the DAR just was
interested in the paper work. I used spruce.
"Bat Cave" Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Marvin Haught <handainc(at)madisoncounty.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 12:36 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: so i have been using poplar
.net>
Try this site -
ttp://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930091423_1993091423.
pdf
A definitive report on wood for aircraft use. Just do your research and
ocument it, document your wood purchases with sample of each piece used
n the construction and I doubt you will have a problem as long as you
ave evidence of the wood you are used meets the specs for aircraft
se. The standard are out there, and while some areas are subject to
nterpretation, the standards are there. If you can show that each
iece of wood you used in your airplane meets the minimum specs and have
he evidence that it meets specs, the DAR has no grounds upon which to
eny you an airworthiness certificate. What he is likely looking for is
xactly what you will provide him - hard data upon which he can base his
ecision and evidence that he made an informed decision in approving
our construction. It has been a while since I studied that document,
ut if my memory serves me correctly, the tables, with a little study
nd head scratching will determine if you need to upsize, downsize or
hatever in your choice of wood for aircraft use.
M. Haught
On 10/17/2011 10:50 AM, Kyle85 wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kyle85"
I am sweating pretty good right now. A co-worker of mine who is an IA told
me
hat
Without increasing the dimensions of my lumber(poplar) that there is no wa
y
hat my airplane will pass an airworthiness inspection. My grain runout is o
ne
n thirty or better
And eight rings per inch. I have tested a piece from every board for densi
ty
nd failure modulus. There really isn't any nearby eaa chapters around me, s
o
aybe
You guys could shed some light on this. Thanks
Kyle
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aught& Associates, Inc
untsville, AR 72740
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
I have the same problem with not having an EAA chapter nearby. In fact, it costs
me $$$ to have a Tech Counselor come by and look over my project. But EVERY
time one comes by (I've had at least 5 inspections) they see something I've
missed or didn't realize needed attention. And they quite often tell me where
to stop worrying about stuff and leave it "as is". So actually, it doesn't cost
anything in the grand scheme of things.
And as a result, I have learned a LOT from the 43.13 documentation!
I've had to redo a couple parts because of those visits but it was much more fun
to rebuild early rather than later! And not have to wonder......
Please figure out a way to get a Tech Counselor by to give your project a look.
You really don't want to put your rear end in a plane that hasn't been looked
over a few times by a Tech Counselor....REALLY looked over by someone who can
help you make this is great experience!
JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: Kyle85 <boschkyle(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Oct 17, 2011 10:50 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: so i have been using poplar
>
>
>I am sweating pretty good right now. A co-worker of mine who is an IA told me
that
>Without increasing the dimensions of my lumber(poplar) that there is no way that
my airplane will pass an airworthiness inspection. My grain runout is one in
thirty or better
>And eight rings per inch. I have tested a piece from every board for density and
failure modulus. There really isn't any nearby eaa chapters around me, so maybe
>You guys could shed some light on this. Thanks
>Kyle
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355279#355279
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
I have the same problem with not having an EAA chapter nearby. In fact, it costs
me $$$ to have a Tech Counselor come by and look over my project. But EVERY
time one comes by (I've had at least 5 inspections) they see something I've
missed or didn't realize needed attention. And they quite often tell me where
to stop worrying about stuff and leave it "as is". So actually, it doesn't cost
anything in the grand scheme of things.
And as a result, I have learned a LOT from the 43.13 documentation!
I've had to redo a couple parts because of those visits but it was much more fun
to rebuild early rather than later! And not have to wonder......
Please figure out a way to get a Tech Counselor by to give your project a look.
You really don't want to put your rear end in a plane that hasn't been looked
over a few times by a Tech Counselor....REALLY looked over by someone who can
help you make this is great experience!
JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: Kyle85 <boschkyle(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Oct 17, 2011 10:50 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: so i have been using poplar
>
>
>I am sweating pretty good right now. A co-worker of mine who is an IA told me
that
>Without increasing the dimensions of my lumber(poplar) that there is no way that
my airplane will pass an airworthiness inspection. My grain runout is one in
thirty or better
>And eight rings per inch. I have tested a piece from every board for density and
failure modulus. There really isn't any nearby eaa chapters around me, so maybe
>You guys could shed some light on this. Thanks
>Kyle
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355279#355279
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: the siren song of the Aircamper |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Wow... that's pretty cool! There's "High Flight" and now this. Bravo!
I think I'm going to put that somewhere in my plane. Woodburn it into a seat back,
something like that. Just seems sort of appropriate.
Tools
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. |
Scott, I had to do some cowling work on my Cessna 140 some years ago and its
cowling used the same meterial I did on my Pietenpol, 2024-T3 Alclad, 0.025"
thick. I don't know what Stinson used, but I'll bet it was similar.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Knowlton
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings.
Gents, I had a small incident with my Stinson yesterday when a wind gust
blew the passenger door open and against the boot cowl causing a small hole.
I decided to order a full sheet of material so that after fabricating the
patch I will have sufficient mterial remaining for the cowlings of my piet.
What material are most using for cowlings? 2024, 6061 or 7075? 032 or 040?
Thanks!
Scott Knowlton
Burlington Ontario
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
I'm an IA and i'm using poplar...
there is no "airworthy" inspecton...thats why you fly a test period to prove it
will work
you're using an approved wood species ...and it's an experimental plane
remember in the F&G manual Mr Pietenpol says the ship could be lighter throughout
and he built on the side of ruggedness
an IA is not the FAA or a DAR...
i've met a few that had their own ideas of right and wrong
many of the A&P friends i have look at the piet after working on corporate jets
and think i'm crazy...
jeff
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| From: | Marvin Haught <handainc(at)madisoncounty.net> |
| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
Well, I'm not an authority, but according to this document
http://www.eaa206.org/tech_pdf/Certify_Homebuilt_Airplane.pdf
- an airworthiness inspection IS required for a homebuilt aircraft.
And I do know that every airplane I know of that has flown in our
chapter had an airworthiness inspection by either a DAR or an FAA
inspector. My understanding is that the airworthiness inspection is
required prior to flying off the test period.
M. Haught
On 10/17/2011 2:32 PM, bender wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bender"
>
> I'm an IA and i'm using poplar...
> there is no "airworthy" inspecton...thats why you fly a test period to prove
it will work
> you're using an approved wood species ...and it's an experimental plane
> remember in the F&G manual Mr Pietenpol says the ship could be lighter throughout
and he built on the side of ruggedness
>
> an IA is not the FAA or a DAR...
> i've met a few that had their own ideas of right and wrong
>
> many of the A&P friends i have look at the piet after working on corporate jets
and think i'm crazy...
>
> jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355307#355307
>
>
--
H.Marvin Haught Jr.
Haught& Associates, Inc
Huntsville, AR 72740
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
| From: | "Bryan Reed" <reed44(at)gmail.com> |
Jeff said:
"many of the A&P friends i have look at the piet after working on corporate jets
and think i'm crazy... "
Well are you?? Inquiring minds want to know. : )
I'm sorry but you can't blame me for responding to openings that you could drive
a truck through. I just wasn't raised that way. : )
See ya,
Bryan
--------
While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
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| Subject: | Another "New To List" Guy |
| From: | "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com> |
We have another introduction of a new guy to the Pietenpol List. I am Dave Gallagher
from the Cincinnati, Ohio area and I have recently assumed a partially
built project from my father. As I review the paperwork, it appears I am the
7th owner and it was N-numbered and certified and may have actually flown back
in the early 1970s. The paperwork calls it a Pietenpol, but it looks more GN-1
to me. Right now I have a fuselage on solid axle gear, but no wheels, completed
tail feathers, spar material and wing ribs. I also have an A-65-8F engine
that was overhauled many years ago, but never run since.
The airplane started in Nebraska as N14474 by David Booth in 1973. I actually
see that number show up in an excel file of Pietenpol aircraft that I found on
a Matronics archive search. The FAA registry site says that number was decertified
in 1976. The airplane, or what was left of it, then went to Alabama, then
to Louisiana, then Texas, then back to that same guy in Louisiana and then
to my father in Illinois. My father got it by answering an ad placed in the
September 1982 Sport Aviation. I think I have bills of sale and names for almost
every previous transaction loosely thrown in a box that I need to sort through.
It has two sets of GN-1 plans and one set of Pietenpol plans. All appear
to be well used with corners worn or ripped off. If by chance anyone here
knows of the Booth Pietenpol N14474, I would be curious if it did ever fly.
My father and brother made all the wing ribs and got spars ready and well as overhauled
the engine in the first few years after the 1982 purchase. My brother
even hand carved a mahogany prop for it back in our college apartment those
many years back. My brother is quite talented and Mr. Helsper of this list will
recognize him as his former neighbor, Tim Gallagher, from down the road at
Poplar Grove. Unfortunately, as the years went by, the project ground to a halt
and sat in my fathers garage for almost three decades. Now that the ravages
of time are catching up with my father, he is in no shape to even think about
building an airplane anymore. I didnt know if my brother ever thought about
taking it on, but when he recently jumped into a Taylorcraft BC-12 restoration
I figured I would give it a go. I asked my father if I could assume the project
and hopefully get it flying. He gave me an offer I could not refuse and
I loaded the project on a trailer last weekend for the drive to Ohio. I have
a lot of inventory and inspection work to do before I start anything on this airplane.
At least for now I can sit in it and make airplane noises! I recently
got to see the Ohio based Emo and Bell Pietenpols and took a lot of pictures.
I look forward to seeing a lot of you at Brodhead this summer.
I will be searching archives and lurking a lot on this list while I take in the
scope of building a wood and fabric airplane. I have already gleaned a lot of
good information to get my project started. My experience to date was to build
a Zenith 601XL that I currently fly out of Lebanon/Warren County Airport,
Ohio.
This should be an interesting ride and I will have plenty of questions along the
way. Here are a couple of pictures of what I loaded up on the trailer.
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project: Pietenpol/GN-1
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Another "New To List" Guy |
Dave, Looks like you are well on your way.- There is a lot of compleated
work in those photos.- Like you said, Do a really thorough inspection of
all parts, clean up and checking everything is "to the plans", and no major
changes to the structure were done.- We all add our personel touch to ou
r creations, as long as the major structure is as designed procede forth an
d fly that machine some day.
-
Shad
NX92GB
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Another "New To List" Guy |
>From the looks of the metal fittings -- especially the engine mount
fittings -- it's a GN-1. I have a combination. The wing ribs, the engine
mount fittings, the steerable tail wheel fitting on the rudder are all GN-1.
The rest is primarily Pietenpol. I had access to a set of GN-1 plans and
started my wing ribs before I got my Pietenpol plans. Reason for the
differences.
----- Original Message -----
From: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 5:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another "New To List" Guy
>
>
> We have another introduction of a new guy to the Pietenpol List. I am
> Dave Gallagher from the Cincinnati, Ohio area and I have recently assumed
> a partially built project from my father. As I review the paperwork, it
> appears I am the 7th owner and it was N-numbered and certified and may
> have actually flown back in the early 1970?Ts. The paperwork calls it a
> Pietenpol, but it looks more GN-1 to me. Right now I have a fuselage on
> solid axle gear, but no wheels, completed tail feathers, spar material and
> wing ribs. I also have an A-65-8F engine that was overhauled many years
> ago, but never run since.
>
> The airplane started in Nebraska as N14474 by David Booth in 1973. I
> actually see that number show up in an excel file of Pietenpol aircraft
> that I found on a Matronics archive search. The FAA registry site says
> that number was decertified in 1976. The airplane, or what was left of
> it, then went to Alabama, then to Louisiana, then Texas, then back to that
> same guy in Louisiana and then to my father in Illinois. My father got it
> by answering an ad placed in the September 1982 Sport Aviation. I think I
> have bills of sale and names for almost every previous transaction loosely
> thrown in a box that I need to sort through. It has two sets of GN-1
> plans and one set of Pietenpol plans. All appear to be well used with
> corners worn or ripped off. If by chance anyone here knows of the Booth
> Pietenpol N14474, I would be curious if it did ever fly.
>
> My father and brother made all the wing ribs and got spars ready and well
> as overhauled the engine in the first few years after the 1982 purchase.
> My brother even hand carved a mahogany prop for it back in our college
> apartment those many years back. My brother is quite talented and Mr.
> Helsper of this list will recognize him as his former neighbor, Tim
> Gallagher, from down the road at Poplar Grove. Unfortunately, as the
> years went by, the project ground to a halt and sat in my father?Ts
> garage for almost three decades. Now that the ravages of time are
> catching up with my father, he is in no shape to even think about building
> an airplane anymore. I didn?Tt know if my brother ever thought about
> taking it on, but when he recently jumped into a Taylorcraft BC-12
> restoration I figured I would give it a go. I asked my father if I could
> assume the project and hopefully get it flying. He gave me an offer I
> could not refuse and I loaded the project on a trailer last weekend!
> for the drive to Ohio. I have a lot of inventory and inspection work to
> do before I start anything on this airplane. At least for now I can sit
> in it and make airplane noises! I recently got to see the Ohio based Emo
> and Bell Pietenpol?Ts and took a lot of pictures. I look forward to
> seeing a lot of you at Brodhead this summer.
>
> I will be searching archives and lurking a lot on this list while I take
> in the scope of building a wood and fabric airplane. I have already
> gleaned a lot of good information to get my project started. My
> experience to date was to build a Zenith 601XL that I currently fly out of
> Lebanon/Warren County Airport, Ohio.
>
> This should be an interesting ride and I will have plenty of questions
> along the way. Here are a couple of pictures of what I loaded up on the
> trailer.
>
> --------
> David Gallagher
> 601 XL: flying, 200+ hours now
> Next project: Pietenpol/GN-1
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355315#355315
>
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Another "New To List" Guy |
Hello Dave and welcome to the list!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Mon, 10/17/11, DaveG601XL wrote:
> From: DaveG601XL <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another "New To List" Guy
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Monday, October 17, 2011, 5:52 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "DaveG601XL"
>
> We have another introduction of a new guy to the Pietenpol
> List. I am Dave Gallagher from the Cincinnati, Ohio
> area and I have recently assumed a partially built project
> from my father. As I review the paperwork, it appears
> I am the 7th owner and it was N-numbered and certified and
> may have actually flown back in the early
> 1970s. The paperwork calls it a Pietenpol, but
> it looks more GN-1 to me. Right now I have a fuselage
> on solid axle gear, but no wheels, completed tail feathers,
> spar material and wing ribs. I also have an A-65-8F
> engine that was overhauled many years ago, but never run
> since.
>
> The airplane started in Nebraska as N14474 by David Booth
> in 1973. I actually see that number show up in an
> excel file of Pietenpol aircraft that I found on a Matronics
> archive search. The FAA registry site says that number
> was decertified in 1976. The airplane, or what was
> left of it, then went to Alabama, then to Louisiana, then
> Texas, then back to that same guy in Louisiana and then to
> my father in Illinois. My father got it by answering
> an ad placed in the September 1982 Sport Aviation. I
> think I have bills of sale and names for almost every
> previous transaction loosely thrown in a box that I need to
> sort through. It has two sets of GN-1 plans and one
> set of Pietenpol plans. All appear to be well used
> with corners worn or ripped off. If by chance anyone
> here knows of the Booth Pietenpol N14474, I would be curious
> if it did ever fly.
>
> My father and brother made all the wing ribs and got spars
> ready and well as overhauled the engine in the first few
> years after the 1982 purchase. My brother even hand
> carved a mahogany prop for it back in our college apartment
> those many years back. My brother is quite talented
> and Mr. Helsper of this list will recognize him as his
> former neighbor, Tim Gallagher, from down the road at Poplar
> Grove. Unfortunately, as the years went by, the
> project ground to a halt and sat in my fathers
> garage for almost three decades. Now that the ravages
> of time are catching up with my father, he is in no shape to
> even think about building an airplane anymore. I
> didnt know if my brother ever thought about taking
> it on, but when he recently jumped into a Taylorcraft BC-12
> restoration I figured I would give it a go. I asked my
> father if I could assume the project and hopefully get it
> flying. He gave me an offer I could not refuse and I
> loaded the project on a trailer last weekend!
> for the drive to Ohio. I have a lot of
> inventory and inspection work to do before I start anything
> on this airplane. At least for now I can sit in it and
> make airplane noises! I recently got to see the Ohio
> based Emo and Bell Pietenpols and took a lot of
> pictures. I look forward to seeing a lot of you at
> Brodhead this summer.
>
> I will be searching archives and lurking a lot on this list
> while I take in the scope of building a wood and fabric
> airplane. I have already gleaned a lot of good
> information to get my project started. My experience
> to date was to build a Zenith 601XL that I currently fly out
> of Lebanon/Warren County Airport, Ohio.
>
> This should be an interesting ride and I will have plenty
> of questions along the way. Here are a couple of
> pictures of what I loaded up on the trailer.
>
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> 601 XL: flying, 200+ hours now
> Next project: Pietenpol/GN-1
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
Marvin,
You are partially right. Yes, you do apply for an Airworthiness Cert, but,
after the inspection, you get a Special Airworthiness Cert., when it moves
into Phase I testing, which may have been what Jeff was implying.
Gary from Cool
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marvin
Haught
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: so i have been using poplar
Well, I'm not an authority, but according to this document
http://www.eaa206.org/tech_pdf/Certify_Homebuilt_Airplane.pdf
- an airworthiness inspection IS required for a homebuilt aircraft.
And I do know that every airplane I know of that has flown in our
chapter had an airworthiness inspection by either a DAR or an FAA
inspector. My understanding is that the airworthiness inspection is
required prior to flying off the test period.
M. Haught
On 10/17/2011 2:32 PM, bender wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
"bender"
>
> I'm an IA and i'm using poplar...
> there is no "airworthy" inspecton...thats why you fly a test period to
prove it will work
> you're using an approved wood species ...and it's an experimental plane
> remember in the F&G manual Mr Pietenpol says the ship could be lighter
throughout and he built on the side of ruggedness
>
> an IA is not the FAA or a DAR...
> i've met a few that had their own ideas of right and wrong
>
> many of the A&P friends i have look at the piet after working on corporate
jets and think i'm crazy...
>
> jeff
>
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H.Marvin Haught Jr.
Haught& Associates, Inc
Huntsville, AR 72740
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. |
Scott,
My cowling is 6061 .025, only 'cuz that's what I had. If I had to buy some,
it would probably be 2024 .025.
Gary from Cool
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Knowlton
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings.
Gents, I had a small incident with my Stinson yesterday when a wind gust
blew the passenger door open and against the boot cowl causing a small hole.
I decided to order a full sheet of material so that after fabricating the
patch I will have sufficient mterial remaining for the cowlings of my piet.
What material are most using for cowlings? 2024, 6061 or 7075? 032 or 040?
Thanks!
Scott Knowlton
Burlington Ontario
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | so i have been using poplar |
Kyle,
One other clarification...If you were repairing a certified A/C and wanted
to substitute Poplar; Yes, you may very well have to increase dimension. Is
it possible that your IA is submersed in certified A/C? and not thinking
experimental? I suspect so...
Gary from Cool
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kyle85
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: so i have been using poplar
I am sweating pretty good right now. A co-worker of mine who is an IA told
me that
Without increasing the dimensions of my lumber(poplar) that there is no way
that my airplane will pass an airworthiness inspection. My grain runout is
one in thirty or better
And eight rings per inch. I have tested a piece from every board for density
and failure modulus. There really isn't any nearby eaa chapters around me,
so maybe
You guys could shed some light on this. Thanks
Kyle
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| Subject: | Re: Another "New To List" Guy |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Hi Dave.
Welcome to the group. Sounds like you have already done some homework.
What you have there definitely looks like a GN-1. The fully sheeted plywood fuselage
sides are a dead giveaway. First off, I'd suggest getting the router out,
and cutting away most of the plywood for the last two bays (as was already done
with the ones ahead of them) to get rid of some of that weight towards the
tail. Alternately, you could remove all of the sheeting rear of the rear cockpit,
and replace that plywood with small gussets per the Pietenpol plans - but
that's a lot of yucky work. I think the best feature of your GN-1 is the landing
gear, because it has been built so that the rear gear legs align with the
rear lift strut attach points. By making that change, your plane will look balanced.
In my opinion (which you didn't even ask for) the "to the plans" GN-1 landing
gear just doesn't look right... and that's because it wasn't even intended
for the plane. That landing gear was intended for a J-3 Cub, which it suits
perfectly. But the builder of your project has avoided that issue, by building
gear that is made to fit the plane. I think this is the first GN-1 that I've
seen that has the old Jenny style straight axle gear. Very interesting. The
cabane fittings and the front end of the wing ribs also look very GN-1ish.
Nice that you will be able to complete the project that your Dad intended to complete
all those years ago. Hopefully he will be able to build vicariously through
you.
Okay, start thinking up your questions for the group.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
6061 would probably be a little more difficult to shape than some of the other
alloys - especially if in a higher temper (like T5 or T6).
Bill C.
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| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Hi Douwe
Congratulations are in order for your getting the commission on this important
project. Any idea when it will be completed and shown to the public? I get to
NYC on a regular basis and would LOVE to see it. The video looks spectacular.
If you do miniatures, sign me up too. Maybe Dick and I can get consecutively numbered
ones. :D I'm serious and I'm pretty sure Dick is too.
Dave Aldrich
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I used .032" 3003 for the nose cowl. The way I did it, there were small bum
p-outs to avoid contact with the engine mount bolt heads, louvers under the
engine, and also some very small compound bends around the nose piece. 300
3 is soft enough for those things. 2024 .025 was used for the combing to ta
ke the passenger abuse.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
mail.com>
Gents, I had a small incident with my Stinson yesterday when a wind gust bl
ew
the passenger door open and against the boot cowl causing a small hole. I
decided to order a full sheet of material so that after fabricating the pat
ch I
will have sufficient mterial remaining for the cowlings of my piet.
What material are most using for cowlings? 2024, 6061 or 7075? 032 or 040
?
Thanks!
Scott Knowlton
Burlington Ontario
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Wire Wheel Bearings |
Group, my wire wheels have a 1 5/8=94 opening and have been fitted with
1 =BD=94
ID bronze bushings. Will this setup alone work with the 1 =BD=94 axle?
I would
rather utilize some type of a roller bearing but have not found any with
such a small wall thickness. It seems to me with just bushings the
friction
could be a problem.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Marvin,
The DAR came to look at my plane to issue a temporary airworthiness certifi
cate, but was really only concerned about completing the government paperwo
rk, and to see if I had everything labeled properly. For me, he was more of
a nuisance than a help. I asked him twice to not lean on my combing, but h
e proceeded to bend it anyway. During your build it might be helpful for so
me knowledgeable friends to advise you along the way. The DAR doesn't have
the authority to tell you that your airplane is "unsafe".
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Marvin Haught <handainc(at)madisoncounty.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 3:09 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: so i have been using poplar
.net>
Well, I'm not an authority, but according to this document
ttp://www.eaa206.org/tech_pdf/Certify_Homebuilt_Airplane.pdf
- an airworthiness inspection IS required for a homebuilt aircraft.
nd I do know that every airplane I know of that has flown in our
hapter had an airworthiness inspection by either a DAR or an FAA
nspector. My understanding is that the airworthiness inspection is
equired prior to flying off the test period.
M. Haught
On 10/17/2011 2:32 PM, bender wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bender"
I'm an IA and i'm using poplar...
there is no "airworthy" inspecton...thats why you fly a test period to pro
ve
t will work
you're using an approved wood species ...and it's an experimental plane
remember in the F&G manual Mr Pietenpol says the ship could be lighter
hroughout and he built on the side of ruggedness
an IA is not the FAA or a DAR...
i've met a few that had their own ideas of right and wrong
many of the A&P friends i have look at the piet after working on corporate
ets and think i'm crazy...
jeff
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| From: | "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. |
Thanks to everyone for their inputs. I suppose my biggest challenge will be stowing
the coil of material safely in my shop for the next year or two until I
need it!
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:35:04
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings.
I used .032" 3003 for the nose cowl. The way I did it, there were small bump-outs
to avoid contact with the engine mount bolt heads, louvers under the engine,
and also some very small compound bends around the nose piece. 3003 is soft
enough for those things. 2024 .025 was used for the combing to take the passenger
abuse.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
Gents, I had a small incident with my Stinson yesterday when a wind gust blew
the passenger door open and against the boot cowl causing a small hole. I
decided to order a full sheet of material so that after fabricating the patch I
will have sufficient mterial remaining for the cowlings of my piet.
What material are most using for cowlings? 2024, 6061 or 7075? 032
or 040?
Thanks!
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Burlington Ontario
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Wire Wheel Bearings |
no problem at all with bronze bushings. Many=2C many aircraft have them.
Roller bearings without a heat treated axle can wear into the axle. do not
archive
From: jack(at)textors.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel Bearings
Date: Tue=2C 18 Oct 2011 06:36:13 -0500
Wire Wheel Bearings
Group=2C my wire wheels have a 1 5/8=94 opening and have been fitted with 1
=BD=94 ID bronze bushings. Will this setup alone work with the 1 =BD=94 a
xle? I would rather utilize some type of a roller bearing but have not fou
nd any with such a small wall thickness. It seems to me with just bushings
the friction could be a problem.
Thanks=2C
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Another "New To List" Guy |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Dave,
Welcome, and good for you to take over your Dad's project. But you know, yo
u really need to get those wheels back from your brother Tim. If memory ser
ves, those spoked wheels that are spinning on his Pober were originally int
ended for, and part of your project :O)
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
i've been called crazy more than a few times...so maybe it's true
i was trying to say that its not up to a DAR or the FAA to determine that your
airplane is airworthy...
just that you followed the rules..
like Dan said.... "more of a nuisance than a help"
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Wire Wheel Bearings |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Personally I think the bronze bearings are the way to go, but, just in case you
want to research more. Needle bearings would fit in there. I'm not sure they
are rated for use in a wheel, but a bearing supplier could probably tell you.
Food for thought.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Another "New To List" Guy |
| From: | "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com> |
Dan,
I can't remember if "my" original wheels are still on his Jr. Ace, or if they were
the ones crunched up on runway 36 at Oshkosh a few years back. I don't have
the heart to ask and bring up the bad memories. Either way, possession is 9/10's,
right?
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project: Pietenpol/GN-1
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| Subject: | Re: Another "New To List" Guy |
| From: | "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com> |
Bill, I will appreciate and listen to anyones opinion, asked for or not. Now whether
I heed that advice or not is another story altogether. As far as the gear
goes, that is one of the first things that perplexes me. I am based at a
paved runway and the most common places I would fly to are also paved. I have
only a little tailwheel time in the logbook, but what I do have is in Cubs and
Champs and I was honestly thinking about possibly using Cub gear. OK, slap,
slap, I probably deserve that. I am used to how their small round and fat tires
work, but I have little idea of how big and thin spoked wheels act. I was
a passenger in my brother's spoked Jr. Ace on pavement only once and it seemed
to be more squirrelly and even less tolerant of side loads. In the battle between
"looks right" and "handles right," I will err towards the latter, but it
is certianly tempting that I can just slap some wheels on my current gear and
go as opposed to re-doing the whole thing. Opinions here are certainly welcome.
The second, out of a thousand things, that perplexes me with this project requires
a little closer look at the gear attach fittings. Only the front fitting
has a lift strut attachment point. Are there any Pietenpol/GN-1's out there where
both lift struts attach down at the same point?? I certainly need some help
with this one.
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David Gallagher
601 XL: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project: Pietenpol/GN-1
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wire Wheel Bearings |
I went the bronze bushing route as well.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Hi Mike,
I considered it but now have other plans. You should have great weather.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Another "New To List" Guy |
| From: | "Bryan Reed" <reed44(at)gmail.com> |
David,
I have had those same concerns. That is the main reason I was only looking for
the 16" to 18" spokes. I will be landing on concrete or pavement here most of
the time. On grass there is a lot of slip so loads do not transfer as forcefully
to wheel side load. A warm day here in monsoon season and you can regularly
encounter a lot of X-wind. In the old 172 it was not uncommon to actually be
pushed sideways across the runway. I am concerned the taller the wheel the greater
the chance of the spokes buckling.
Is this a concern at all? Has this ever been a problem on the 21" spoke wheels?
Of course this is pending the physical limits for crosswind on the Piet. That
would also be helpful info from you veteran Piet flyers.
Thanks for any input,
Bryan
--------
While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
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| Subject: | Re: Wire Wheel Bearings |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
I've got brass bushings in mine. They work great. Just don't fit them too tight
and keep them greased well.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Bryan,
Some will say, "Yes"; some will say, "No." Mine are 21" Harley Sportster
wheels...very heavy duty (note: 'heavy', weighing about 21 lbs!). I inserted
a solid 1" axle and use bearings designed for motorcycles, for which the
wheels were modified (www.paughco.com).
Gary from Cool
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Reed
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another "New To List" Guy
David,
I have had those same concerns. That is the main reason I was only looking
for the 16" to 18" spokes. I will be landing on concrete or pavement here
most of the time. On grass there is a lot of slip so loads do not transfer
as forcefully to wheel side load. A warm day here in monsoon season and you
can regularly encounter a lot of X-wind. In the old 172 it was not uncommon
to actually be pushed sideways across the runway. I am concerned the taller
the wheel the greater the chance of the spokes buckling.
Is this a concern at all? Has this ever been a problem on the 21" spoke
wheels?
Of course this is pending the physical limits for crosswind on the Piet.
That would also be helpful info from you veteran Piet flyers.
Thanks for any input,
Bryan
--------
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Another "New To List" Guy |
Bryan,
I've got about 260 hours on my 21" wheels. More than half of that time
was
operating off paved runways, with one (forced) landing on a road where I
hit
hard enough to break the axle. No damage to the wheel, other than a few
scratches as the brakeline drug it along the road. I didn't even have
to
tweak the spokes to true it up after the accident.
I've flown it a few times in more of a crosswind than I liked, the
stiffest
being a little over 20 knots direct crosswind on a paved runway.
Landing
was fine. Taking off was another matter. I kept the tail down to keep
tailwheel steering as long as possible, because at slow speeds the
rudder
would not be strong enough to keep it from weather-vaning. However, in
the
3-point attitude as it got light the wind was strong enough to literally
push the tires sideways across the runway, with the tires screeching in
protest. I let it push me near the edge and then got the tail up and
just
weather-vaned it into the wind and took off across the runway (more like
45=B0
to the runway). Again, no problems for the wheels. Wire wheels are
just
about the strongest wheel you can make.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia (a paved runway)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Reed
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another "New To List" Guy
David,
I have had those same concerns. That is the main reason I was only
looking
for the 16" to 18" spokes. I will be landing on concrete or pavement
here
most of the time. On grass there is a lot of slip so loads do not
transfer
as forcefully to wheel side load. A warm day here in monsoon season and
you
can regularly encounter a lot of X-wind. In the old 172 it was not
uncommon
to actually be pushed sideways across the runway. I am concerned the
taller
the wheel the greater the chance of the spokes buckling.
Is this a concern at all? Has this ever been a problem on the 21"
spoke
wheels?
Of course this is pending the physical limits for crosswind on the
Piet.
That would also be helpful info from you veteran Piet flyers.
Thanks for any input,
Bryan
--------
While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
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| Subject: | Re: Another "New To List" Guy |
| From: | Bryan Reed <reed44(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Jack,
I was not in a hurry to give up the cool look that the tall spokes added
.
I am also pleased at the crosswind capabilities. I was hoping the reduced
surface area of the sides offset the light weight Piet.
Now if only my plans would arrive I could just get on with the building
and quit asking stupid questions. I received the booklet with a re-publish
of the 1931 plans as a dedication to Bernard Pietenpol last Friday. I am
hoping the rest is soon to follow.
Bryan
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Jack Phillips wro
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> I've got about 260 hours on my 21" wheels. More than half of that time w
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> operating off paved runways, with one (forced) landing on a road where I
hit
> hard enough to break the axle. No damage to the wheel, other than a few
> scratches as the brakeline drug it along the road. I didn't even have to
> tweak the spokes to true it up after the accident.****
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> I've flown it a few times in more of a crosswind than I liked, the stiffe
st
> being a little over 20 knots direct crosswind on a paved runway. Landing
> was fine. Taking off was another matter. I kept the tail down to keep
> tailwheel steering as long as possible, because at slow speeds the rudder
> would not be strong enough to keep it from weather-vaning. However, in t
he
> 3-point attitude as it got light the wind was strong enough to literally
> push the tires sideways across the runway, with the tires screeching in
> protest. I let it push me near the edge and then got the tail up and jus
t
> weather-vaned it into the wind and took off across the runway (more like
45=B0
> to the runway). Again, no problems for the wheels. Wire wheels are just
> about the strongest wheel you can make.****
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> Jack Phillips****
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Reed
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 1:38 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another "New To List" Guy
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> looking for the 16" to 18" spokes. I will be landing on concrete or pavem
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> here most of the time. On grass there is a lot of slip so loads do not
> transfer as forcefully to wheel side load. A warm day here in monsoon sea
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> and you can regularly encounter a lot of X-wind. In the old 172 it was no
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> the taller the wheel the greater the chance of the spokes buckling. ****
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> Is this a concern at all? Has this ever been a problem on the 21" spoke
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> Of course this is pending the physical limits for crosswind on the Piet
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| Subject: | Re: Push Pull Elevator? |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
Thanks for all the replies!
Barry, i am looking forward to seeing your pictures, thanks.
I just applied to the UK piet club, they said i can download there revisions once
im a member. They have the lower rudder horn revision as shown above.
Does anyone have the elevator loads in lbs?
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings. |
What he said. Although 3003 should not be used for structural parts, it's easier
to shape than 2024. If you're not going to be putting any shape into the metal
but just bending it and riveting it, I'd probably be inclined to go with the
2024.
If you want to actually form your nose bowl, go with the 3003, and make sure you
get it in the -H14 (half-hard) hardness. Full soft would be too soft for your
needs, and full hard is more difficult to shape, to the point you might as well
have used 2024.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Oct 18, 2011 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sheet metal for cowlings and combings.
I used .032" 3003 for the nose cowl. The way I did it, there were small bump-outs
to avoid contact with the engine mount bolt heads, louvers under the engine,
and also some very small compound bends around the nose piece. 3003 is soft
enough for those things. 2024 .025 was used for the combing to take the passenger
abuse.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
Gents, I had a small incident with my Stinson yesterday when a wind gust blew
the passenger door open and against the boot cowl causing a small hole. I
decided to order a full sheet of material so that after fabricating the patch I
will have sufficient mterial remaining for the cowlings of my piet.
What material are most using for cowlings? 2024, 6061 or 7075? 032 or 040?
Thanks!
Scott Knowlton
Burlington Ontario
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| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
Great Job Douwe!
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Another "New To List" Guy |
The GN-1 that crashed last week had V-struts:
Not that the struts had anything to do with the accident.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveG601XL
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 12:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another "New To List" Guy
Bill, I will appreciate and listen to anyones opinion, asked for or not.
Now whether I heed that advice or not is another story altogether. As far
as the gear goes, that is one of the first things that perplexes me. I am
based at a paved runway and the most common places I would fly to are also
paved. I have only a little tailwheel time in the logbook, but what I do
have is in Cubs and Champs and I was honestly thinking about possibly using
Cub gear. OK, slap, slap, I probably deserve that. I am used to how their
small round and fat tires work, but I have little idea of how big and thin
spoked wheels act. I was a passenger in my brother's spoked Jr. Ace on
pavement only once and it seemed to be more squirrelly and even less
tolerant of side loads. In the battle between "looks right" and "handles
right," I will err towards the latter, but it is certianly tempting that I
can just slap some wheels on my current gear and go as opposed to re-doing
the whole thing. Opinion!
s here are certainly welcome.
The second, out of a thousand things, that perplexes me with this project
requires a little closer look at the gear attach fittings. Only the front
fitting has a lift strut attachment point. Are there any Pietenpol/GN-1's
out there where both lift struts attach down at the same point?? I
certainly need some help with this one.
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project: Pietenpol/GN-1
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| Subject: | Re: Another "New To List" Guy |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Hey Dave,
Don't get me wrong. There's nothing wrong with the split axle landing gear. What
I (personally) take issue with is when actual J-3 Cub gear is used on an Aircamper.
When the lift struts are not in line with the gear attachment points,
it looks wrong, and from an engineering standpoint, it doesn't make sense for
the stresses to not follow a continuous path. Because of this discontinuity, I
believe the GN-1 gear has a bunch of added structure on the underside of the
belly. Back in the day, when John Grega drew up the plans for the GN-1, used Cub
parts (including landing gear) were fairly plentiful and inexpensive. Today
it is a different story, so most builders end up building the landing gear from
scratch. My point here is that if you have to build the gear from scratch,
why not build gear that is actually designed for the aircraft it will be installed
on, rather than duplicating landing gear that was designed for a different
airplane.
Now, in your case, you have a unique set of landing gear - straight axle, Jenny-style,
but not quite the Pietenpol design. I guess it is a cross between the
Pietenpol and Grega designs. I hadn't noticed that the rear attach brackets don't
have attachment points for the lift struts, but on second glance, I guess
they don't. There have been Air Campers and/or Aircampers built with V struts
(like a Cub), but in order to do so, one would need to some analysis to determine
the loading, and compensate for the different load paths. I think it would
be far easier to either modify or remake the rear attach brackets to incorporate
the lift strut attach points.
As for tall, skinny wheels or fat wheels, that is a matter of personal preference.
If you feel more comfortable with fat tires, then use them. However, most
Piets built today will operate (at least part of the time) off of paved strips,
and probably about half are built with skinny wheels and half with fat. Both
types of wheels work well using the split gear. One thing... if you use fat tires,
don't make them too small... Oh there I go again with my opinions.
Bill C.
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Another "New To List" Guy |
.and what kind of engine was that? Not that the engine had anything to do
with it.or maybe it did.[shut up, Gary]
Gary from Cool
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:00 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another "New To List" Guy
The GN-1 that crashed last week had V-struts:
Not that the struts had anything to do with the accident.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveG601XL
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 12:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another "New To List" Guy
Bill, I will appreciate and listen to anyones opinion, asked for or not.
Now whether I heed that advice or not is another story altogether. As far
as the gear goes, that is one of the first things that perplexes me. I am
based at a paved runway and the most common places I would fly to are also
paved. I have only a little tailwheel time in the logbook, but what I do
have is in Cubs and Champs and I was honestly thinking about possibly using
Cub gear. OK, slap, slap, I probably deserve that. I am used to how their
small round and fat tires work, but I have little idea of how big and thin
spoked wheels act. I was a passenger in my brother's spoked Jr. Ace on
pavement only once and it seemed to be more squirrelly and even less
tolerant of side loads. In the battle between "looks right" and "handles
right," I will err towards the latter, but it is certianly tempting that I
can just slap some wheels on my current gear and go as opposed to re-doing
the whole thing. Opinion!
s here are certainly welcome.
The second, out of a thousand things, that perplexes me with this project
requires a little closer look at the gear attach fittings. Only the front
fitting has a lift strut attachment point. Are there any Pietenpol/GN-1's
out there where both lift struts attach down at the same point?? I
certainly need some help with this one.
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project: Pietenpol/GN-1
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| From: | Jeff Wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com> |
I think what most use, and I am using, is the 19 inch motorcycle rim. With tire
mounted it measures 24 inches diameter. I'm using the home made hub that is available
in the archives (no time to search right now) and it is wider than the
normal cycle hubs. Then have it laced at any decent motorcycle shop. Then of
course use pregnant bushings to roll em on.
Jeff Wilson
N899WT (someday)
St. Louis, MO
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 18, 2011, at 12:51 PM, "Gboothe5" wrote:
>
> Bryan,
>
> Some will say, "Yes"; some will say, "No." Mine are 21" Harley Sportster
> wheels...very heavy duty (note: 'heavy', weighing about 21 lbs!). I inserted
> a solid 1" axle and use bearings designed for motorcycles, for which the
> wheels were modified (www.paughco.com).
>
> Gary from Cool
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Reed
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:38 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another "New To List" Guy
>
>
> David,
>
> I have had those same concerns. That is the main reason I was only looking
> for the 16" to 18" spokes. I will be landing on concrete or pavement here
> most of the time. On grass there is a lot of slip so loads do not transfer
> as forcefully to wheel side load. A warm day here in monsoon season and you
> can regularly encounter a lot of X-wind. In the old 172 it was not uncommon
> to actually be pushed sideways across the runway. I am concerned the taller
> the wheel the greater the chance of the spokes buckling.
>
> Is this a concern at all? Has this ever been a problem on the 21" spoke
> wheels?
> Of course this is pending the physical limits for crosswind on the Piet.
> That would also be helpful info from you veteran Piet flyers.
>
> Thanks for any input,
>
> Bryan
>
> --------
> While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
>
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355434#355434
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| Subject: | Re: Another "New To List" Guy |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Bryan - I'll 2nd Jack's comments on the wire wheels on concrete. Like Jack, I've
got over two DOZEN hours in FBG with several HUNDRED landings on concrete.
I've managed landings where the winds were strong enough to require someone to
hold the airplane while I got out, during refuel, and when I got back in. Those
winds were never straight down the runway, of course.
The only issue I've had was with broken spokes. Seems I over-tightened them.
We've apparently solved the problem by loosening them.
I dragged a wingtip one time and the wheels didn't complain.
I had the left gear come loose and dangle during a landing. The airplane ended
up on top of the wheel. Again, the wheel showed no signs of distress.
Drive on, my friend. Enjoy your pretty, tall, spoked wheels.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | "Bryan Reed" <reed44(at)gmail.com> |
Mike,
I will be dropping in as a ground pounder Saturday. Will be driving in with
a friend in his 1927 Bugatti (Replica). Are you planning on flying in?
Bryan
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While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
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| From: | "GliderMike" <glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com> |
I'm driving in. No place close to be able to launch my paraglider to be able to
fly in!Ground pounding ought to be fun there. Nice and warm. I got back into
that a little bit after I moved to Utah, but couldn't stand the cold here.
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| From: | "Bryan Reed" <reed44(at)gmail.com> |
Mike,
My cell is 602-826-2240. Give me a call if you go. I am 30-miles from
Copperstate but have plenty of room if you wanted a place to stay.
See ya,
Bryan
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While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
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| From: | "GliderMike" <glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks Bryan, I've put your number in my phone book now. My number is 801-879-7124,
so you'll know who from Utah is calling when I call! I plan to leave SLC
this afternoon, shortly after lunch. I plan to be at the fly in in time to
make the ultralight forum at noon tomorrow.
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Push Pull Elevator? |
I looked, but did not locate all the pictures I am looking for. I only have
about 15,000 to go through. I might go out to the airport and take some new
ones, but am leaving for New Orleans in a couple of hours. I'll have to do
it when I get back
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Push Pull Elevator?
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Thanks for all the replies!
Barry, i am looking forward to seeing your pictures, thanks.
I just applied to the UK piet club, they said i can download there revisions
once im a member. They have the lower rudder horn revision as shown above.
Does anyone have the elevator loads in lbs?
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| Subject: | Another museum Piet |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Stumbled across these photos of a nice looking Pietenpol that's hanging in the
Deke Slayton Museum, in Sparta, Wisconsin. Looks like all wooden struts. Very
nice.
http://flic.kr/p/8pQGEJ
http://flic.kr/p/8pQHNG
http://flic.kr/p/8pQGFE
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Piet in the news Down Under |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Found this link on the UK Pietenpol Club Facebook page. Features a brief interview
with List member Graham Hewitt and the 1932 Sky Scout that was formerly based
at Brodhead (NX12941), and is now based in Australia (now VH-UCP).
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=273992849307763
also some nice photos;
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.294778640535090.82288.148813261798296&type=1
Pretty neat.
There's also a brief bit of Graham flying the Piet in this video (starting at 5:32):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDoUD_ksb_s&feature=related
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Another museum Piet |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Nice.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Another museum Piet |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
It is a beautiful plane. I started thinking about building a Piet in July 2010.
I also always wanted to stop in Sparta, Wisconsin to see the Deke Slayton museum
on my way back from Oshkosh, so I did. Hanging from the ceiling was that
pretty plane. I told my wife it was fate. Now, a little over a year later
I've got thirty two ribs made, a fuselage framed, and the tail feathers done and
hinged. It's been a good year. I'll try to post my own pics of the plane
from the museum when I get back from Ontario later this week.
Tom
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| Subject: | Handheld Radio Mounting |
| From: | "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net> |
Can anyone out there provide options/locations for mounting an Icom A6 radio in
a Piet. Would like to keep it away from the panel at all cost. Will also be using
an external antenna that was mounted in the fuselage by the previous owner.
Any feedback/pictures would be greatly appreciated.
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Handheld Radio Mounting |
Adrian,
My Grega has it mounted on the back of the passenger seat, dark down there
so most people don't notice it. It is close to the stick so the transmit
button is easy to get to.
Skip
> [Original Message]
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> To:
> Date: 10/20/2011 8:20:48 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting
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> Can anyone out there provide options/locations for mounting an Icom A6
radio in a Piet. Would like to keep it away from the panel at all cost.
Will also be using an external antenna that was mounted in the fuselage by
the previous owner.
>
> Any feedback/pictures would be greatly appreciated.
>
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> Adrian M
> Winnipeg, MB
> Canada
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio Mounting |
I went to JoAnn Fabrics and bought a roll of Velcro. I have it attached
to the fuselage side up and out of the way. I put the Velcro in several
spots so I can also attach my intercom and iPhone to the instrument
panel. It really keeps things out of the way.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Oct 20, 2011, at 7:45 AM, skipgadd(at)earthlink.net wrote:
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> Adrian,
> My Grega has it mounted on the back of the passenger seat, dark down
there
> so most people don't notice it. It is close to the stick so the
transmit
> button is easy to get to.
> Skip
>
>
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>> To:
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>> Can anyone out there provide options/locations for mounting an Icom
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> radio in a Piet. Would like to keep it away from the panel at all
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> Will also be using an external antenna that was mounted in the
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> the previous owner.
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>> Any feedback/pictures would be greatly appreciated.
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| Subject: | Re: Piet in the news Down Under |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Bill,
Thanks for posting that. Makes me wish I had bought that from Gar. It is a great
flying airplane. Glad to see that it is flying and kept in good shape.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Another museum Piet |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Since this Piet is hanging in a museum, I'll bet they are "for display purposes".
They sure look neat and tidy, but I can't see how they would be functional.
If one were to introduce some sort of "holders" to keep them positioned, the
bungees would chafe against the holders, and you'd probably wear them out even
faster. By nature, the bungees will all want to take the shortest route, and
that will mean piling up on top of each other, like they do.
Bill C.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Group, I have ordered 5052-H32 aluminum to make my fuel tank. (.040" thick)
- In the past, I had worked on a cardboard template for said tank. I see
if I open up the template and lay it flat, it appears I could make a few pi
eces larger and then bend the corners. I would then have fewer welds to mak
e. My question is: Is it OK to bend this material for fuel tank use or shou
ld I cut out the various pieces and weld all of it? I would like a nice tig
ht bend radius.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Another museum Piet |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Bill,
I am trying to fabricate my "holders" or what I call "dams" so that they th
emselves do not cause the same problem that I am trying to solve. Functiona
l report later. Probably next spring.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Sent: Thu, Oct 20, 2011 10:35 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another museum Piet
>
Since this Piet is hanging in a museum, I'll bet they are "for display
urposes". They sure look neat and tidy, but I can't see how they would be
unctional. If one were to introduce some sort of "holders" to keep them
ositioned, the bungees would chafe against the holders, and you'd probably
wear
hem out even faster. By nature, the bungees will all want to take the short
est
oute, and that will mean piling up on top of each other, like they do.
Bill C.
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Michael, I made mine from four pieces. One for the bottom, front and back.
One for the top. Then the two sides. I riveted and used the proseal
substitute. I made the bends to the inside to allow a little more capacity.
Not flying but no leaks.
Jack
DSM
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Perez
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Group, I have ordered 5052-H32 aluminum to make my fuel tank. (.040" thick)
In the past, I had worked on a cardboard template for said tank. I see if I
open up the template and lay it flat, it appears I could make a few pieces
larger and then bend the corners. I would then have fewer welds to make. My
question is: Is it OK to bend this material for fuel tank use or should I
cut out the various pieces and weld all of it? I would like a nice tight
bend radius.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio Mounting |
| From: | Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com> |
I'm trying a RAM mount (they were on sale)l with the 3 inch arm. Ball goes
under the instrument panel. This will not keep it away from the panel, but
it is easy to remove when not needed.
Andrew
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:16 AM, John Hofmann wrote:
> I went to JoAnn Fabrics and bought a roll of Velcro. I have it attached to
> the fuselage side up and out of the way. I put the Velcro in several spots
> so I can also attach my intercom and iPhone to the instrument panel. It
> really keeps things out of the way.
>
> -john-
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2424 American Lane
> Madison, WI 53704
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
>
> On Oct 20, 2011, at 7:45 AM, skipgadd(at)earthlink.net wrote:
>
> skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
>
> Adrian,
> My Grega has it mounted on the back of the passenger seat, dark down there
> so most people don't notice it. It is close to the stick so the transmit
> button is easy to get to.
> Skip
>
>
> [Original Message]
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> From: pineymb <airltd(at)mts.net>
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> To:
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> Date: 10/20/2011 8:20:48 AM
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting
>
>
> Can anyone out there provide options/locations for mounting an Icom A6
>
> radio in a Piet. Would like to keep it away from the panel at all cost.
> Will also be using an external antenna that was mounted in the fuselage by
> the previous owner.
>
>
> Any feedback/pictures would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> --------
>
> Adrian M
>
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| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio Mounting |
| From: | Hans Van Der Voort <hvandervoo(at)aol.com> |
I made a bracket screwed to the top of the RH longeron.
The A6 clamps on with the standard A6 Belt clip, see picture
I use a head set and a stick mounted PTT switch.
No external antenna, but could be added if needed.
A6 is visible during flight and fully accessible to change frequency.
Yet easily removed for storage or charging.
Hans
NX 15KV
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Sent: Thu, Oct 20, 2011 7:19 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld Radio Mounting
Can anyone out there provide options/locations for mounting an Icom A6 radi
o in
Piet. Would like to keep it away from the panel at all cost. Will also be
sing an external antenna that was mounted in the fuselage by the previous
wner.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Michael,
You can easily bend it, with a fairly tight bend radius. This makes a much
stronger joint than just butt-welding two pieces of aluminum. I turned my
flanges to the outside, which resulted in slightly less capacity but was
easier to rivet. I think next time I would build mine like Jack Textor did.
As Jack did, I riveted my tank together, then TIG welded all the seams and
all the rivets.
Then I pressurized it with the system you see in the last photo and painted
all the seams and rivets with soapy water. I had 37 leaks. Re-welded it
and had 9 leaks. Re-welded it again and it has never leaked a drop since.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Group, I have ordered 5052-H32 aluminum to make my fuel tank. (.040" thick)
In the past, I had worked on a cardboard template for said tank. I see if I
open up the template and lay it flat, it appears I could make a few pieces
larger and then bend the corners. I would then have fewer welds to make. My
question is: Is it OK to bend this material for fuel tank use or should I
cut out the various pieces and weld all of it? I would like a nice tight
bend radius.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Michael,
In general, whenever it is possible to bend a joint, rather than welding it, that
is the way to go. Welded joints often leak, bends don't.
5052-H32 is a good, all-purpose alloy, with decent strength, good bendability,
and good welding characteristics. It is the "go to" alloy in the shop where I
work. In the case of .040" thickness, you should be able to successfully bend
very sharply without risking cracking. Do a few test bends to make sure first.
If necessary, introduce a slight radius into the bend.
Bill C.
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Handheld Radio Mounting |
I don't have an Icom radio, but I made an aluminum bracket screwed to
the right fuselage side angled cross member in the cockpit. My radio
slips over the bracket and is held on with the belt clip. I'm using a
push to talk button that velcroes to the stick. I made the bracket so
that the radio is angled properly to be easily seen from where I sit.
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Fl
On 10/20/2011 8:16 AM, pineymb wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "pineymb"
>
> Can anyone out there provide options/locations for mounting an Icom A6 radio
in a Piet. Would like to keep it away from the panel at all cost. Will also be
using an external antenna that was mounted in the fuselage by the previous owner.
>
> Any feedback/pictures would be greatly appreciated.
>
> --------
> Adrian M
> Winnipeg, MB
> Canada
>
>
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Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Thanks guys.
-
Jack P., why the "color" inside your tank? Also are you suggesting I bend a
flange for all the joints to facilitate the welding as opposed to a butt j
oint?
-
My tank will be a nose tank and I am trying to get as much capacity out of
it as I can. So, right now, the template-is quite the odd shape. Anyhoo,
I'll pay attention to the proper bending techniques and bend what I can.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
The "color" inside my tank in the first picture was simply the color of the
posterboard I was using to make patterns from. You will notice in
subsequent pictures the color had changed to that of 5052-H32 aluminum.
A butt-joint is always the very last choice for a weld. It is the weakest
possible joint, and has virtually no resistance to cracking due to
vibration. Only weld a butt joint if there is no way to do a better one,
and plan for it to fail.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Thanks guys.
Jack P., why the "color" inside your tank? Also are you suggesting I bend a
flange for all the joints to facilitate the welding as opposed to a butt
joint?
My tank will be a nose tank and I am trying to get as much capacity out of
it as I can. So, right now, the template is quite the odd shape. Anyhoo,
I'll pay attention to the proper bending techniques and bend what I can.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Michael,
The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose tank that holds 14.5 gallons.
I used exterior flanges of about 3/8", mainly because it is easier to hold
together for welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two clam shells. First welded
a nice pretty seam and had leaks. The went back over it with a big ugly
seam and have never had a leak. One very important consideration is to keep it
high enough to clear a persons feet in the front cockpit. This will also keep
it high enough for head pressure. These are old "pre digital camera days"
pictures.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Looks Smae or similar to a Cub tank less the bottom. Repaired cub tanks can be
found on Barnstormers or Ebay cheap
--- On Thu, 10/20/11, Don Emch wrote:
> From: Don Emch <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, October 20, 2011, 2:45 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "Don Emch"
>
> Michael,
>
> The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose
> tank that holds 14.5 gallons. I used exterior flanges
> of about 3/8", mainly because it is easier to hold together
> for welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two
> clam shells. First welded a nice pretty seam and had
> leaks. The went back over it with a big ugly seam and
> have never had a leak. One very important
> consideration is to keep it high enough to clear a persons
> feet in the front cockpit. This will also keep it high
> enough for head pressure. These are old "pre digital
> camera days" pictures.
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
OK. I understand it now. Nice tank Don!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
The Cub tank is very similar, but it would not allow for the feet clearance that
is really nice to have up in the front.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Another museum Piet |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
That Piet flew into Brodhead several years ago. I was amazed that the solid spruce
wing struts did not have any kind reinforcement. Not even laminations.
The cabane struts had chunks of wood missing at the ends; above the bolt holes.
Not much there. Yikes!
Pretty though!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
I haven't searched to see how prone to cracking that alloy is- but when I made
my tank from Galvanized steel- I did it all from one piece.laid out the dimensions
and folded the front side up and a tab on it back toward the rear for the
top to lap over, the back and top then laid over it and the ends bent up with
tabs on them as well. I screwed them all together and soldered the screw heads
and joints.I did make a couple baffles and installed them inside with the bottom
and ends of those held in place and screwed before laying the top down on
them.worked pretty well.Time will tell how it holds up - I figure anytime I can
have a bend instead of a weld or solder joint that's one less potential leak.
Raymond
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
If you're going to put sharp bends in the sheet, spend a few minutes and find out
what the minimum bend radius should be for your chosen material and its thickness.
Smaller than this, you risk cracking the corners. I just found a chart
in AC43-13 online at:
http://www2.tech.purdue.edu/at/courses/at308/Technical_Links/Ac43-13-1B/CH4_4.pdf
Interestingly, 5052-H32 at thicknesses .032 and smaller have zero minimum on this
chart. .064 says 1/2-1 times the thickess of the sheet. Not having a table
entry for .040, I'd err on the conservative and go with the .063 number, and I'd
probably go more conservative and use the 1x radius instead of the 1/2x, leaving
me with a minimum radius of .040.
Keep in mind, it's the minimum, so your results don't have to be accurate to that
radius, just larger than the minimum. If you're bending these corners with
a brake, lots of folks slide a piece of scrap sheet or cardboard on top of the
sheet you care about to establish the radius. A drill bit laid inside the bend
makes for a quick gauge of the radius.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Emch
>Sent: Oct 20, 2011 3:45 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
>
>
>Michael,
>
>The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose tank that holds 14.5 gallons.
I used exterior flanges of about 3/8", mainly because it is easier to hold together
for welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two clam shells. First welded
a nice pretty seam and had leaks. The went back over it with a big ugly seam
and have never had a leak. One very important consideration is to keep it high
enough to clear a persons feet in the front cockpit. This will also keep it high
enough for head pressure. These are old "pre digital camera days" pictures.
>
>Don Emch
>NX899DE
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
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| From: | CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Our handy dandy metals whiz wheel says 0.040" 5052-H32 min bend radius is
1/32"
Chrissi & Randi
_www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/)
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
In a message dated 10/20/2011 5:54:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
ashcan(at)earthlink.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash
If you're going to put sharp bends in the sheet, spend a few minutes and
find out what the minimum bend radius should be for your chosen material and
its thickness. Smaller than this, you risk cracking the corners. I just
found a chart in AC43-13 online at:
http://www2.tech.purdue.edu/at/courses/at308/Technical_Links/Ac43-13-1B/CH4_
4.pdf
Interestingly, 5052-H32 at thicknesses .032 and smaller have zero minimum
on this chart. .064 says 1/2-1 times the thickess of the sheet. Not having
a table entry for .040, I'd err on the conservative and go with the .063
number, and I'd probably go more conservative and use the 1x radius instead
of the 1/2x, leaving me with a minimum radius of .040.
Keep in mind, it's the minimum, so your results don't have to be accurate
to that radius, just larger than the minimum. If you're bending these
corners with a brake, lots of folks slide a piece of scrap sheet or cardboard
on
top of the sheet you care about to establish the radius. A drill bit laid
inside the bend makes for a quick gauge of the radius.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Emch
>Sent: Oct 20, 2011 3:45 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
>
>
>Michael,
>
>The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose tank that holds 14.5
gallons. I used exterior flanges of about 3/8", mainly because it is easier
to hold together for welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two clam shells.
First welded a nice pretty seam and had leaks. The went back over it with a
big ugly seam and have never had a leak. One very important consideration
is to keep it high enough to clear a persons feet in the front cockpit. This
will also keep it high enough for head pressure. These are old "pre
digital camera days" pictures.
>
>Don Emch
>NX899DE
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355591#355591
>
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
So my .040" wasn't too far off, and towards the conservative.
What's this whiz wheel thingy? I sense the need for a new toy. One can never have
enough tools.
Jim
knumbnuts flunkie/ex-co-Chairman of years-past, Sun-N-Fun Metal Shaping Workshop
(with the cool hats)
-----Original Message-----
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Sent: Oct 20, 2011 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Our handy dandy metals whiz wheel says 0.040" 5052-H32 min bend radius is 1/32"
Chrissi & Randi
www.CozyGirrrl.com
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
In a message dated 10/20/2011 5:54:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ashcan(at)earthlink.net
writes:
If you're going to put sharp bends in the sheet, spend a few minutes and find out
what the minimum bend radius should be for your chosen material and its thickness.
Smaller than this, you risk cracking the corners. I just found a chart
in AC43-13 online at:
http://www2.tech.purdue.edu/at/courses/at308/Technical_Links/Ac43-13-1B/CH4_4.pdf
Interestingly, 5052-H32 at thicknesses .032 and smaller have zero minimum on this
chart. .064 says 1/2-1 times the thickess of the sheet. Not having a table
entry for .040, I'd err on the conservative and go with the .063 number, and I'd
probably go more conservative and use the 1x radius instead of the 1/2x, leaving
me with a minimum radius of .040.
Keep in mind, it's the minimum, so your results don't have to be accurate to that
radius, just larger than the minimum. If you're bending these corners with
a brake, lots of folks slide a piece of scrap sheet or cardboard on top of the
sheet you care about to establish the radius. A drill bit laid inside the bend
makes for a quick gauge of the radius.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Emch
>Sent: Oct 20, 2011 3:45 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
>
>
>Michael,
>
>The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose tank that holds 14.5 gallons.
I used exterior flanges of about 3/8", mainly because it is easier to hold together
for welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two clam shells. First welded
a nice pretty seam and had leaks. The went back over it with a big ugly seam
and have never had a leak. One very important consideration is to keep it high
enough to clear a persons feet in the front cockpit. This will also keep it high
enough for head pressure. These are old "pre digital camera days" pictures.
>
>Don Emch
>NX899DE
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355591#355591
>
>
>Attachments:
>
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>
>
>| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
| From: | "Kyle85" <boschkyle(at)hotmail.com> |
Thank you all for the input! I have been doing some reading and have decided to
continue to use the poplar(purchased from a local sawmill) for cross members,
ribs, and tail. From here I am going to try and decide between Spruce, Western
Hemlock, or Douglas Fir for the spars and longerons (all in accordance with
AC43.13). I would be using spruce without question if only it was locally available.
Upstate NY has a lot of quality lumber available locally, just not a lot
of spruce.
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Kyle,
You'll be fine! My entire Piet is Poplar, with the exception of the tail, which
is Hemlock, and the spars are fir...so I guess my entire Piet is NOT Poplar...then
there's the Hickory struts & prop...
Gary from Cool
------Original Message------
From: Kyle85
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: so i have been using poplar
Sent: Oct 20, 2011 5:07 PM
Thank you all for the input! I have been doing some reading and have decided to
continue to use the poplar(purchased from a local sawmill) for cross members,
ribs, and tail. From here I am going to try and decide between Spruce, Western
Hemlock, or Douglas Fir for the spars and longerons (all in accordance with
AC43.13). I would be using spruce without question if only it was locally available.
Upstate NY has a lot of quality lumber available locally, just not a lot
of spruce.
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| From: | johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au |
| Subject: | Re: Piet in the news Down Under |
Thanks for posting the links Bill.
I live in Perth, where the fly-in was held but unfortunately was not in Perth for
that weekend.
Langley park is right in the city on the foreshore of the Swan river, measuring
3000ft x 300ft.
Because of the close proximity to the city it is not a place where fly-ins are
usually held. The last one was in 2003.
It took quit a lot of planning and negotiating by Chapter 24 of the SAAA, the Australian
version of the EAA, to hold this one.
Langley park was also the landing and hangerage area for the Red Bull air races
which was flown over the Swan river.
A bit of info for those interested.
Regards,
JohnW
Perth Australia
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Thanks Jim. When I use a break for my other thin metal bending, I use some thin
AL. on top of the bend as you describe. This also negates any tool mark/ scratches.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Thu, 10/20/11, Jim Ash wrote:
> From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, October 20, 2011, 6:51 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: Jim Ash
>
> If you're going to put sharp bends in the sheet, spend a
> few minutes and find out what the minimum bend radius should
> be for your chosen material and its thickness. Smaller than
> this, you risk cracking the corners. I just found a chart in
> AC43-13 online at:
>
> http://www2.tech.purdue.edu/at/courses/at308/Technical_Links/Ac43-13-1B/CH4_4.pdf
>
> Interestingly, 5052-H32 at thicknesses .032 and smaller
> have zero minimum on this chart. .064 says 1/2-1 times the
> thickess of the sheet. Not having a table entry for .040,
> I'd err on the conservative and go with the .063 number, and
> I'd probably go more conservative and use the 1x radius
> instead of the 1/2x, leaving me with a minimum radius of
> .040.
>
> Keep in mind, it's the minimum, so your results don't have
> to be accurate to that radius, just larger than the minimum.
> If you're bending these corners with a brake, lots of folks
> slide a piece of scrap sheet or cardboard on top of the
> sheet you care about to establish the radius. A drill bit
> laid inside the bend makes for a quick gauge of the radius.
>
> Jim Ash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Don Emch
> >Sent: Oct 20, 2011 3:45 PM
> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
> >
> >
> >Michael,
> >
> >The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose tank
> that holds 14.5 gallons. I used exterior flanges of about
> 3/8", mainly because it is easier to hold together for
> welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two clam shells. First
> welded a nice pretty seam and had leaks. The went back over
> it with a big ugly seam and have never had a leak. One very
> important consideration is to keep it high enough to clear a
> persons feet in the front cockpit. This will also keep it
> high enough for head pressure. These are old "pre digital
> camera days" pictures.
> >
> >Don Emch
> >NX899DE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355591#355591
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Attachments:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo2_122.jpg
> >http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo1_676.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Email Forum -
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> Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
I expect you already know it- but to get a larger radius bend you can bend a piece
of scrap and then use it for a shoe to bend your metal around to get the larger
radius once you figure how far back to clamp it from your mark. I used to
have a setback and bend chart I got when I was taking airframe repair training
in the army but that was many years ago and we had some pretty nice Brakes
in the shop. never got to use those once in the field though.Raymond
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Another "New To List" Guy |
Dave,
Couple comments. Definitely take the advise of someone, think it was Bill
to cut out any ply aft of the pilot seat not glued to spruce or that looks
like a gusset.
Looking at your first picture, I think you have a Cub engine mount. My
Grega has that mount and it makes it harder to get the w/b to come out and
also makes it real hard to safety the oil screen. The Cub mount puts the
bottom mounting flange of the A65 only about 7" from the firewall,
Pietenpol plans put the flange about 11". The engine mount jig I borrowed
from D Emch puts the flange about 12.5".
Since your plane is not covered or assembled I would consider using
Pietenpol's cabane to wing spar attach brackets, which would allow you to
move the wing aft if it would help the w/b.
I am flying a Grega and building a Piet. I live at Hales Landing WV(2WV3)
which is just across OH from you. It takes me about 2.5 hours to fly the
Piet(Grega) to Waynesville, so it should be about 1.5 hours for your 601 if
you wanted to check out the Grega or Piet project.
Skip
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
I just noticed the upstate NY reference. I am near Geneseo and have
been getting poplar from Bristol Hardwoods.
Where are you?
Dave
On 10/20/2011 8:07 PM, Kyle85 wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kyle85"
>
> Thank you all for the input! I have been doing some reading and have decided
to continue to use the poplar(purchased from a local sawmill) for cross members,
ribs, and tail. From here I am going to try and decide between Spruce, Western
Hemlock, or Douglas Fir for the spars and longerons (all in accordance with
AC43.13). I would be using spruce without question if only it was locally available.
Upstate NY has a lot of quality lumber available locally, just not a
lot of spruce.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
More a slide rule type thingie, I have used one since 1980 something,
cannot live without it if you are a designer.
_http://www.alvinco.com/Shop/Products.aspx?IID 326_
(http://www.alvinco.com/Shop/Products.aspx?IID 326)
Alvin Screw Data Selector #7355
Front side:
-detailed data on fasteners from 0-80 to 1-12 threads
-spring pins
-drilled hole tolerances
-min surface finishes for various feature tolerances
-shoulder screw data
-aluminum rivet data
-inch scale
Back side:
-sheet metal and wire sizes/wt
-fractional to dec equivalents
-drill sizes in dec inches
-miniature screw data
-wrench clearance data
-pipe threads
-min bend radii
-slide rule
-mm scale
I also have a larger competitors model, it is huge, it is a nuisance, does
not give as much information, not as easy to read. It does have metric
stuff so I do not toss it.
Chrissi & Randi
_www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/)
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
In a message dated 10/20/2011 7:01:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
ashcan(at)earthlink.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash
So my .040" wasn't too far off, and towards the conservative.
What's this whiz wheel thingy? I sense the need for a new toy. One can
never have enough tools.
Jim
knumbnuts flunkie/ex-co-Chairman of years-past, Sun-N-Fun Metal Shaping
Workshop (with the cool hats)
-----Original Message-----
From: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Sent: Oct 20, 2011 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Our handy dandy metals whiz wheel says 0.040" 5052-H32 min bend radius is
1/32"
Chrissi & Randi
www.CozyGirrrl.com
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
In a message dated 10/20/2011 5:54:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
ashcan(at)earthlink.net writes:
If you're going to put sharp bends in the sheet, spend a few minutes and
find out what the minimum bend radius should be for your chosen material and
its thickness. Smaller than this, you risk cracking the corners. I just
found a chart in AC43-13 online at:
http://www2.tech.purdue.edu/at/courses/at308/Technical_Links/Ac43-13-1B/CH4_
4.pdf
Interestingly, 5052-H32 at thicknesses .032 and smaller have zero minimum
on this chart. .064 says 1/2-1 times the thickess of the sheet. Not having
a table entry for .040, I'd err on the conservative and go with the .063
number, and I'd probably go more conservative and use the 1x radius instead
of the 1/2x, leaving me with a minimum radius of .040.
Keep in mind, it's the minimum, so your results don't have to be accurate
to that radius, just larger than the minimum. If you're bending these
corners with a brake, lots of folks slide a piece of scrap sheet or cardboard
on
top of the sheet you care about to establish the radius. A drill bit laid
inside the bend makes for a quick gauge of the radius.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Emch
>Sent: Oct 20, 2011 3:45 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
>
>
>Michael,
>
>The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose tank that holds 14.5
gallons. I used exterior flanges of about 3/8", mainly because it is easier
to hold together for welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two clam shells.
First welded a nice pretty seam and had leaks. The went back over it with a
big ugly seam and have never had a leak. One very important consideration
is to keep it high enough to clear a persons feet in the front cockpit. This
will also keep it high enough for head pressure. These are old "pre
digital camera days" pictures.
>
>Don Emch
>NX899DE
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355591#355591
>
>
>Attachments:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo2_122.jpg
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo1_676.jpg
>
>
>| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Another museum Piet |
Why are you surprised? The tensile strength of Spruce
is over 12,000 lb/inch. Laminations are not necessarily
going to make it stronger but most likely will make it
heavier. Also compression strength (negative G ) is
4500 lb/inch. How much does a Piet weigh? How
many G's are you expecting to pull?
Clif
. I was amazed that the solid spruce wing struts did not have any kind
reinforcement. Not even laminations. The cabane struts had chunks of wood
missing at the ends; above the bolt holes. Not much there. Yikes!
>
> Pretty though!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank |
Michael another caution for you. Make sure you leave plenty of clearance
for tank fit. I thought I did and it fits tighter than I would like.
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Thanks Jim. When I use a break for my other thin metal bending, I use some
thin AL. on top of the bend as you describe. This also negates any tool
mark/ scratches.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Thu, 10/20/11, Jim Ash wrote:
> From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, October 20, 2011, 6:51 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: Jim Ash
>
> If you're going to put sharp bends in the sheet, spend a
> few minutes and find out what the minimum bend radius should
> be for your chosen material and its thickness. Smaller than
> this, you risk cracking the corners. I just found a chart in
> AC43-13 online at:
>
>
http://www2.tech.purdue.edu/at/courses/at308/Technical_Links/Ac43-13-1B/CH4_
4.pdf
>
> Interestingly, 5052-H32 at thicknesses .032 and smaller
> have zero minimum on this chart. .064 says 1/2-1 times the
> thickess of the sheet. Not having a table entry for .040,
> I'd err on the conservative and go with the .063 number, and
> I'd probably go more conservative and use the 1x radius
> instead of the 1/2x, leaving me with a minimum radius of
> .040.
>
> Keep in mind, it's the minimum, so your results don't have
> to be accurate to that radius, just larger than the minimum.
> If you're bending these corners with a brake, lots of folks
> slide a piece of scrap sheet or cardboard on top of the
> sheet you care about to establish the radius. A drill bit
> laid inside the bend makes for a quick gauge of the radius.
>
> Jim Ash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Don Emch
> >Sent: Oct 20, 2011 3:45 PM
> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
> >
> >
> >Michael,
> >
> >The 5052 is very nice to work with. I made a nose tank
> that holds 14.5 gallons. I used exterior flanges of about
> 3/8", mainly because it is easier to hold together for
> welding. Just two pieces. Kinda like two clam shells. First
> welded a nice pretty seam and had leaks. The went back over
> it with a big ugly seam and have never had a leak. One very
> important consideration is to keep it high enough to clear a
> persons feet in the front cockpit. This will also keep it
> high enough for head pressure. These are old "pre digital
> camera days" pictures.
> >
> >Don Emch
> >NX899DE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355591#355591
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Attachments:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo2_122.jpg
> >http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo1_676.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Email Forum -
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>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another "New To List" Guy |
| From: | "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com> |
Skip,
You hit the mark well on your comments. As I understand it, I do have a Cub A65
mount and I was pretty sure I would have to lengthen it out for W&B. I am about
to embark on some gas welding training at the Columbus, OH Sport Air workshop.
If I will ever have the confidence to weld up an engine mount will be a
matter of time and practice. If anyone knows of a source for longer mounts,
please chime in.
I also plan on making the Pietenpol wing attachment. In fact, I just ordered a
set of new Pietenpol plans yesterday. I have some Pietenpol plans that came
with the project, but there are pretty beat up and several pages are missing huge
chuncks.
The excess ply aft of the cockpit should be a thing of the past very soon. As
beautiful as it looks, it is just begging me to hog a lot out.
I would like to come out and visit some time. I am driving down to Barnwell, SC
next month in hopes of seeing a few Piets there over Veterens Day weekend.
Hales Landing could be considered on the way. I will send you an e-mail.
Thanks!
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project: Pietenpol/GN-1
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| Subject: | Re: so i have been using poplar |
| From: | "Kyle85" <boschkyle(at)hotmail.com> |
Dave,
I live in carthage, up towards watertown. I believe you are down by rochester?
I have
Been down that way to look at a pietenpol a few times. The guy's name is everett
downey
Or frenchie is what his buisness card says.
Kyle
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| Subject: | Re: Another museum Piet |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
I think what surprised me the most was just the one hole drilled at the top and
at the bottom of the wood cabanes with very little edge distance from the hole
to the end. Then it appeared there was some breakout of the wood on the ends
from drilling the holes. The roll wires and cabanes handle an awful lot of
stress in that area. Must be fine though. Just don't see too many wood, non-reinforced
wing struts out there.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | new guy/ fellow Cincinnati builder |
Hey Dave,
Welcome to the group. I'm building in Northern KY, and I know there's
another guy building in Cincinnati at Lunken, but don't have his contact.
Maybe we'll see eachother's projects one day
Douwe
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