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December 13, 2011 - January 08, 2012
Where's a good place to get 8.50x6 tires for an experimental airplane?
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| From: | Marvin Haught <handainc(at)madisoncounty.net> |
I've been using Desser Recaps for years - I've got a set of 8.50 x 6
recaps I use on my Pacer when I fly out to the desert. They have been
great.
http://www.desser.com/ A lot cheaper than new tires and I've run at
least 10 pairs over the years - got one bad tire.
M. Haught
On 12/13/2011 9:38 PM, Baldeagle wrote:
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H.Marvin Haught Jr.
Haught& Associates, Inc
Huntsville, AR 72740
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| Subject: | 15 inch tires on my Piet |
| From: | John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com> |
Has anyone used 15 inch 600-6 (low profile) tires on Cleveland wheels? The
standard 600-6 is 16 inches.I found a new pair and would like to use them
as they would lower the Piet a little and they were cheap. John
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet builders in northern ill southern wi. |
N8031 is at LL53, near Elgin if you're close.
Dan
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Piet builders in northern ill southern wi. |
| From: | "bradandlinda tds.net" <bradandlinda(at)tds.net> |
Your are welcome to look at my Air Camper NX29NX at Burlington Wi. (BUU)
Brad Williams 262 534-6054
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Dan Yocum wrote:
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> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
http://www.ebay.com/itm/250955430013?item=250955430013&viewitem=&sspagename
ADME:B:SS:MOTORS:1123&vxp=mtr
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Not sure what this is, but it's NOT a typical A65-8. Listed as an A65-1.
Note the exhaust ports coming out of the tops of the cylinder heads, and the
spark plugs relatively far down the cylinder head, and going in at right
angles to the cylinder bore. Also, max RPM is listed as 2850, rather than
the 2350 of an A65-8. Of course, with only a 54" diameter on the prop, 2850
RPM might be possible, for a while.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 on eBay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/250955430013?item=250955430013&viewitem=&sspagename
ADME:B:SS:MOTORS:1123&vxp=mtr
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
I suspect the 2850 is either a typo, or mis-reading of the data plate.
>From the following (page 5) the A-65-1 is rated at 65HP at 2350 RPM.
http://www.aeronca.com/manuals/Continental_A50_A65_A75_Operators_Handbook.pdf
Bill C.
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
Bill
Do you have a manual for the C-85 that is scanned like this?
Barry
NX973BP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 10:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A65 on eBay
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I suspect the 2850 is either a typo, or mis-reading of the data plate.
>From the following (page 5) the A-65-1 is rated at 65HP at 2350 RPM.
http://www.aeronca.com/manuals/Continental_A50_A65_A75_Operators_Handbook.pd
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Bill C.
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Barry,
>From the same website:
http://www.aeronca.com/manuals/Continental_C75_C87_Instruction_and_Service_Manual.pdf
and
http://www.aeronca.com/manuals/Continental_Aircraft_Engine_Service_Parts_Catalog_C75_C85_C90_O200_1975.pdf
Lots of other good stuff available (carbs, magneto manuals):
http://www.aeronca.com/manuals/
Bill C.
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
I don't think this was an engine for a GPU.
We've discussed these engines before and there's at least one Piet with
this model. It's red with squared off wingtips somewhere on the west
coast...
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com> |
Its an early model. There's a Fly Baby at Sackman (H49) that has an engine
just like it but it is a 'dash' 3.=0AThe more common A-65-8 most of us are
familiar with were mostly made post war.=0A=0AJeff Wilson=0AN899WT=0ASt. Lo
uis, MO=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Dan Yocum <yoc
um(at)fnal.gov>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, December 1
6, 2011 2:34 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A65 on eBay=0A =0A--> Pi
etenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum =0A=0AI don't thi
nk this was an engine for a GPU.=0A=0AWe've discussed these engines before
and there's at least one Piet with this model.- It's red with squared off
wingtips somewhere on the west coast...=0A=0A-- Dan Yocum=0AFermilab- 63
0.840.6509=0Ayocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov=0A"I fly because it
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| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
That may have "-1" on the data plate, but it looks like it has been converted into
a "-3". The "-1" is only single ignition. Continental built this up until
1939. There are very few of the actual "-1"'s because they had just come out
with the 65hp that year and the feds came out with the requirement for dual
ignition. I think some time in June of that year. So there was only a couple
of months, i think, that the A65-1 was built. They then went to the "-3". The
"-3" is the same as the "-8" only it has up exhaust. This one has been converted
into the dual ignition "-3". Aeronca was the one that used this the most.
The prewar Chiefs used them. A couple of the other manufacturers used them
for a short time too.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: A few pics of today's cold flight |
| From: | "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net> |
Let it Snow, Let it Snow, Let it Snow!!!
December 17 and hardly a skiff on the ground what's up with that?
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A few pics of today's cold flight |
Hi Adrian,
I am from Watertown SD just South of you. Used to fly my dad's Aeronca Cham
p on skis all winter. It wasn't warm but=C2- bet it was warmer than flyin
g a Piet in the winter. Nice looking Piet and ski installation.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Piet Project on eBay |
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180778018592&s
sPageName=ADME:B:SS:MOTORS:1123
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
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| Subject: | Jeff Faith's Pietenpol |
| From: | "Overalles" <Overalles45(at)yahoo.com> |
I wanted to thank Jeff Faith for letting me come look at his Pietenpol last week,
I should have wrote sooner but I could not remember my username so I had to
re-register on the list.
Jeff was very nice answering all my questions and he made me feel very welcome
and not quite so dumb. Jeff gave me lots of pointers and lots of good ideas.
Jeff's Pietenpol is very clean and his prop (that he made) is a work of art, it
should be in a gallery it is so beautiful.
Again Jeff Thanks so much for letting me come and look and I look forward to my
next visit.
Thanks
Walter Allen
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| Subject: | Re: A few pics of today's cold flight |
| From: | "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net> |
[quote="boyerjrb(at)comcast.net"]Hi Adrian,
I am from Watertown SD just South of you. Used to fly my dad's Aeronca Champ on
skis all winter. It wasn't warm but bet it was warmer than flying a Piet in
the winter. Nice looking Piet and ski installation.
Cheers,
Jim B.
> [b]
Thanks Jim
Been through Watertown numerous times, (at least down the interstate) I'm not sure
how flying the Piet in the winter will be but will have to pick a warmer day,
hopefully around the freezing mark, don't suppose it can be worst then driving
a snow machine at 80 mph. Did a lot of ski flying in C-IHJX which had a good
heater in it. Great way to get around to do some ice fishing where no one
else has been. That's my buddy showing off his fish.
Tough to beat a Champ or Cub on skis.
Do you own a Piet?
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | A few pics of today's cold flight |
One thing I noticed while flying Scout in colder weather without
a cover on the front cockpit is that you get some serious air
into the rear cockpit from that front hole. One thing I would be
sure to do is to somehow make sure air can't come shooting up your
pants legs, because it will. If you don't have drawstrings or
can't tuck the legs of your pants into your boots, wrapping with
duct tape would be advised if you'll be in the air any length of
time.
Just my observation on the Texas version of "cold weather" flying.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Center Section Mounted! |
| From: | "cjborsuk" <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey Guys,
Thought I would send some updated pictures. I was able to get my center section
mounted. Also got the hardware on the wings. I will try and get it out in the
yard this week and get the wings on. You gotta love progress!
Chuck
Raleigh NC
989CB
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Center Section Mounted! |
Looks great, Chuck!
Do you need a Technical Counselor inspection anytime soon? I need to get
over and see your project again.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Center Section Mounted!
Hey Guys,
Thought I would send some updated pictures. I was able to get my center
section mounted. Also got the hardware on the wings. I will try and get it
out in the yard this week and get the wings on. You gotta love progress!
Chuck
Raleigh NC
989CB
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| Subject: | building table with most miles on it |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Howdy, Pieters-
Two years ago at Christmas, my wife and I drove to Shreveport to collect some building
materials from Corky Corbett, who built NX41CC- the Piet that I now own
and fly. Among the materials that Corky relieved himself of was a building
table upon which he constructed two other Piet airframes (I believe). Anyway,
we took that table home to San Antonio with us along with enough raw stock to
construct a complete Piet fuselage with plywood sides, wing spars, and rib stock.
Last Saturday, Dec. 10, I loaded up that building table and all the raw stock along
with everything else in my hangar in San Antonio except for Scout (who will
have to wait till spring 2012 to fly back up here to Oregon with me) and spent
the last week driving from Texas to Oregon and just this weekend unloaded
everything and got the building table all set up, along with tools and materials.
I hereby lay claim to the Air Camper building table with the most miles on it:
2,540 miles. Picture attached, showing the table in its new location under my
temporary "aircraft factory". Very faintly visible on the plywood are the outlines,
in pencil, of the Improved Air Camper fuselage framing along with various
pencil notes that Corky has made. I'm happy to own this piece of Pietenpol
construction history.
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
OK, Gary. I received your Christmas present late Saturday, Dec 17. Thank
you so very much. I would be willing to at least pay the shipping charges.
You are so kind. I looked on our US road atlas yesterday to see if I could
find Cool, Cal. It's not listed in the back of the book. It must be just a
"wide place in the road." Can you tell me where it is?
Did you have any problems laying out the holes in the crush plate to get
them to line up perfectly with the holes in the prop? I'm not a machinist
and I want to be sure I get it right. What method did you use? Until you
are better paid, Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:44 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hardware
> Homemade crush plate...1/4" 6061.
>
> Gary from Cool
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Church
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 6:24 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hardware
>
>
>
> For those who use the Forum, rather than the email version of the
> Pietenpol
> List, Chuck's message likely didn't make any sense, because the message he
> tried to forward did not get posted. I have retrieved it from the
> Matronics
> site and attached it below:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jay & Carmen
> To: C N Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Hardware
>
>
> Chuck~
> If you're talking about a Crush Plate.... ALL WOOD PROPS should
> have a crush plate.
> NEVER bolt up or even turn up a wood prop without a crushplate!!!
>
> The thickness of the crushplate will depend on the type of metal used to
> make it...
> Could be anywhere from 3/16" to 1/2", depending on the
> material it's made from.
> Naturally the steel would be on the thinner side of the figure.
>
> Try Aircraft Spruce, Wicks or maybe Barnstormers.... you have a SAE1
> bolt pattern.
>
> Please show this to the other guys on your chat group, to make sure
> NO-ONE is trying to
> bolt up WOOD props without a crushplate.
>
> Jay
>
> From: C N Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 12:46 PM
> To: Carmen
> Subject: Fw: Hardware
>
> Carmen, Roger and I have been discussing the type and length of bolts
> for my Cloudcars prop and he sent me the E-mail which I am forwarding to
> you. Do I need a face plate on my prop. If so, how thick should it be
> and where do I get one? Chuck .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rogpoldodson(at)aol.com
> To: cncampbell(at)windstream.net
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 8:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Hardware
>
> Chuck . Something else you might want to take into account is if you
> need a face plate on that prop. Check with the builder of the prop. If
> so you will need to take into account the thickness of the plate. Rog.
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> 12/08/11
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| Subject: | Re: Center Section Mounted! |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
Awesome! ... the fun part is sitting in her!
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: building table with most miles on it |
Sorry Oscar
I carried my table to Sun n Fun and back 1650 mi each way and built my
fuselage there.
Dick N.
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From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: building table with most miles on it
>
> Howdy, Pieters-
>
> Two years ago at Christmas, my wife and I drove to Shreveport to collect
> some building materials from Corky Corbett, who built NX41CC- the Piet
> that I now own and fly. Among the materials that Corky relieved himself
> of was a building table upon which he constructed two other Piet airframes
> (I believe). Anyway, we took that table home to San Antonio with us along
> with enough raw stock to construct a complete Piet fuselage with plywood
> sides, wing spars, and rib stock.
>
> Last Saturday, Dec. 10, I loaded up that building table and all the raw
> stock along with everything else in my hangar in San Antonio except for
> Scout (who will have to wait till spring 2012 to fly back up here to
> Oregon with me) and spent the last week driving from Texas to Oregon and
> just this weekend unloaded everything and got the building table all set
> up, along with tools and materials.
>
> I hereby lay claim to the Air Camper building table with the most miles on
> it: 2,540 miles. Picture attached, showing the table in its new location
> under my temporary "aircraft factory". Very faintly visible on the
> plywood are the outlines, in pencil, of the Improved Air Camper fuselage
> framing along with various pencil notes that Corky has made. I'm happy to
> own this piece of Pietenpol construction history.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> Air Camper NX41CC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361186#361186
>
>
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>
>
>
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A few pics of today's cold flight |
Oo! Oo! My turn! my turn!
I have a big windscreen and it's not a bad ride at all.
Let it snow, let is snow, let it snow!
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: A few pics of today's cold flight |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Winter just might be my favorite time to fly.... for about 10 minutes at a time!
I think I left nose prints on my windshield from trying to get in too close.
Dan, you need to get some skis! Hey, why don't we have a Pietenpol Ski Fly-in?
I'll host..... in Ohio. Ha!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: A few pics of today's cold flight |
I had a 20+ mph tailwind at 500' AGL heading up to Poplar Grove,
yesterday.
Of course, that same wind was waiting for me on the way back, so I kept
it down on the deck for most of the trip - <100' AGL (while maintaining
500' from structures and people, of course). I got to wave back and
forth with a farmer fixing his fence, which is always nice. Gosh, I
really like this plane!
Skis only work when there's snow and the skiff we got 2 days ago is
already gone. :-(
Dan
On 12/19/2011 12:30 PM, Don Emch wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch"
>
> Winter just might be my favorite time to fly.... for about 10 minutes at a time!
I think I left nose prints on my windshield from trying to get in too close.
>
> Dan, you need to get some skis! Hey, why don't we have a Pietenpol Ski Fly-in?
I'll host..... in Ohio. Ha!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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>
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A few pics of today's cold flight |
Lucky you, to be able to fly. Here at Smith Mountain Lake it's 56=B0,
with no
wind, clear skies and unlimited visibility ' and the runway=92s closed
with
heavy equipment all over it, sealing cracks in the asphalt.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Yocum
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A few pics of today's cold flight
I had a 20+ mph tailwind at 500' AGL heading up to Poplar Grove,
yesterday.
Of course, that same wind was waiting for me on the way back, so I kept
it down on the deck for most of the trip - <100' AGL (while maintaining
500' from structures and people, of course). I got to wave back and
forth with a farmer fixing his fence, which is always nice. Gosh, I
really like this plane!
Skis only work when there's snow and the skiff we got 2 days ago is
already gone. :-(
Dan
On 12/19/2011 12:30 PM, Don Emch wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch"
>
> Winter just might be my favorite time to fly.... for about 10 minutes
at a
time! I think I left nose prints on my windshield from trying to get in
too
close.
>
> Dan, you need to get some skis! Hey, why don't we have a Pietenpol
Ski
Fly-in? I'll host..... in Ohio. Ha!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361209#361209
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com> |
For all--what size tires are you usin gon Cleveland wheels--standard 600-6?
I researched the archives and could not find anytthng on this.
Anybody use 800-6--too big? Niice for off-field? John
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
FAA A/P--{freaking trainie compared to you guys}
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
I have standard Cleveland brakes and 21" x 3.00" wheels
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Kuhfahl
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 4:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tire Size
For all--what size tires are you usin gon Cleveland wheels--standard 600-6?
I researched the archives and could not find anytthng on this.
Anybody use 800-6--too big? Niice for off-field? John
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
FAA A/P--{freaking trainie compared to you guys}
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Tire Size 8.00 X 6 |
| From: | darmahboy(at)aol.com |
John
I'm running 8.00X6 Carlyle "turf saver" AMF Harley golf cart tires. They're
4ply & @ 17psi, seem to be holding up well even after 40hrs on my Piet, ev
en on the paved surface here @ Lakeville Mn. I also liked the $39.00 a piec
e price tag thru a golf cart mail order place, don't remember the name, fou
nd them on the internet. Good luck, Bob Poore, Piet NX29LD.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 19, 2011 3:12 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tire Size
For all--what size tires are you usin gon Cleveland wheels--standard 600-6?
I researched the archives and could not find anytthng on this.
Anybody use 800-6--too big? Niice for off-field? John
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
FAA A/P--{freaking trainie compared to you guys}
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A few pics of today's cold flight |
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| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
Regardless of the engine choice has anyone ever altered ( moved ) the thrust line
of their PIETENPOL . Either the Angle ( Up, Down, Left, Right) or height
of thrust line in relationship to the top longeron ? What was the result ?
Dan
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| Subject: | Father/son build team with engine question |
| From: | "MKJ1928" <mike(at)oconomowocplumbing.com> |
Hello everybody
Just wanted to say hi. saw this list and it seems pretty cool. my 7 year old son
and just started building a Piet tonight. Standard one piece wing, Model A engine
and wood gear.
We do have one question to ask. We want a Model-A engine but that wont be for a
while. In the mean time I want to keep my eyes peeled for an engine when I come
across one. Anything I should be careful for? Any advice on this matter?
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Center Section Mounted! |
| From: | "MKJ1928" <mike(at)oconomowocplumbing.com> |
Really nice job Chuck!
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Father/son build team with engine question |
A one-piece wing requires about 5 people to move it. I am in the process of
building my wings and I HIGHLY recommend the 3-piece version. I know
nothing of the model A engine. I'm using a Corvair, which I also highly
recommend. Good fortune on your project -- whichever way you decide to go.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "MKJ1928" <mike(at)oconomowocplumbing.com>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Father/son build team with engine question
>
>
> Hello everybody
>
> Just wanted to say hi. saw this list and it seems pretty cool. my 7 year
> old son and just started building a Piet tonight. Standard one piece wing,
> Model A engine and wood gear.
>
> We do have one question to ask. We want a Model-A engine but that wont be
> for a while. In the mean time I want to keep my eyes peeled for an engine
> when I come across one. Anything I should be careful for? Any advice on
> this matter?
>
> Mike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361324#361324
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Father/son build team with engine question |
| From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
I have 2 engine blocks and other parts if you're interested
Welcome to the build
John
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:06 PM, "MKJ1928" wrote:
>
> Hello everybody
>
> Just wanted to say hi. saw this list and it seems pretty cool. my 7 year old
son and just started building a Piet tonight. Standard one piece wing, Model A
engine and wood gear.
>
> We do have one question to ask. We want a Model-A engine but that wont be for
a while. In the mean time I want to keep my eyes peeled for an engine when I
come across one. Anything I should be careful for? Any advice on this matter?
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361324#361324
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 15 inch tires on my Piet |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
I have Wire wheels on mine but my dad has 8.50- 6's on his.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Watch out for the bad guys out there |
I know few of you would consider parting with your Piet or project, but if
you are trying to sell some other form of "inferior" aircraft, beware of
the scam buyers out there. I've been trying to sell our Bellanca for a while
and got an email from someone claiming to be interested. They didn't try to
bargain on the asking price. They claimed to out of the country in the
military, and wanted to send an agent/mechanic to check out the airplane. They
would send a certified check "guaranteed", paying 10% down with an
additional amount for the mechanic, which I was to pass on to him.
The catch is that the 'cashiers check' is bogus. If you deposit it in your
bank, and then pay out funds, eventually, the check is returned, and
you're out whatever you paid the 'mechanic.' If someone wants to buy your
airplane, insist on a cashiers check drawn on a US bank for a deposit, to be held
in escrow pending the clearance of the check. A bank wire transfer is even
better, and you have collected funds pretty much immediately. I'd heard
about this before, and when I emailed back asking for payment as above, I, of
course, got no response.
The thing that pissed me off the worst was that this jerk claimed to be a
Marine. When he eventually goes to his reward, may he get poked for all
eternity by a squad of Marines with bayonettes.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Watch out for the bad guys out there |
Just for Further INFO. Anyone in the US Military has a US bank account. We have
to in order to receive our pay. So anyone claiming to be US Military, even overseas,
has a US account.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Woodflier(at)aol.com
Date: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 10:43
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Watch out for the bad guys out there
> I know few of you would consider parting with your Piet or project,
> but if
> you are trying to sell some other form of "inferior" aircraft,
> beware of
> the scam buyers out there. I've been trying to sell our Bellanca
> for a while
> and got an email from someone claiming to be interested. They
> didn't try to
> bargain on the asking price. They claimed to out of the country in
> the
> military, and wanted to send an agent/mechanic to check out the
> airplane. They
> would send a certified check "guaranteed", paying 10% down with an
> additional amount for the mechanic, which I was to pass on to him.
>
> The catch is that the 'cashiers check' is bogus. If you deposit it
> in your
> bank, and then pay out funds, eventually, the check is returned,
> and
> you're out whatever you paid the 'mechanic.' If someone wants to
> buy your
> airplane, insist on a cashiers check drawn on a US bank for a
> deposit, to be held
> in escrow pending the clearance of the check. A bank wire transfer
> is even
> better, and you have collected funds pretty much immediately. I'd
> heard
> about this before, and when I emailed back asking for payment as
> above, I, of
> course, got no response.
>
> The thing that pissed me off the worst was that this jerk claimed
> to be a
> Marine. When he eventually goes to his reward, may he get poked for
> all
> eternity by a squad of Marines with bayonettes.
>
> Matt Paxton
> NX629ML
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| Subject: | metal vs wood prop |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I'm getting 1950 rpm static with a wood Sensenich 72x42 on a A65. Flies great,
but doesn't climb very well, especially with two pax.
Was told I'd do better with a metal prop. A friend with a Taylorcraft and a A65
timed up to a A75 had the same prop and same experience. He went to a metal
72x40 and got a lot better performance.
So, another friend, the A and P (IA) who built my friend's A75, had a 72x44 laying
around and said to give it a try, he thought I'd do better even though it
had more pitch.
Put it on today and got 2100 static. Can't fly it, the airport is closed... arg.
Can't explain why a metal prop does so much better even with more pitch. I brought
both props home and laid them on the dining room table (need to make some
bushings for the back of the metal prop) while I do that. I did notice that
the metal prop being so much stronger had a cross section about half the size
(or less especially as you get to the hub) of the wood prop and wonder if that
loss of "frontal area" is what gives so much more performance.
We'll see how it flies soon.
Tools
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: metal vs wood prop |
On 12/20/2011 02:01 PM, tools wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tools"
>
> I'm getting 1950 rpm static with a wood Sensenich 72x42 on a A65.
The tach is probably off. Mine is. Get a hand-held optical tach reader
and point it at the prop. They're $35 at ACS.
Flies great, but doesn't climb very well, especially with two pax.
>
Well, what did you expect from a little old A65, huh? A4 performance?
> Was told I'd do better with a metal prop. A friend with a Taylorcraft and a
A65 timed up to a A75 had the same prop and same experience. He went to a metal
72x40 and got a lot better performance.
>
> So, another friend, the A and P (IA) who built my friend's A75, had a 72x44 laying
around and said to give it a try, he thought I'd do better even though it
had more pitch.
>
> Put it on today and got 2100 static. Can't fly it, the airport is closed...
arg.
>
> Can't explain why a metal prop does so much better even with more pitch. I brought
both props home and laid them on the dining room table (need to make some
bushings for the back of the metal prop) while I do that. I did notice that
the metal prop being so much stronger had a cross section about half the size
(or less especially as you get to the hub) of the wood prop and wonder if that
loss of "frontal area" is what gives so much more performance.
>
Here, let me give ya a hand:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=metal+prop+OR+propellor+efficiency
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| Subject: | Re: metal vs wood prop |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Ok, I'll double check the tach, but still, isn't it relative? I was surprised
I got MORE rpm from a heavier and higher pitched prop. That's what I'm trying
to figure out.
I never really hoped for A4 performance, but this is different. We're picking
our way through the trees!
Tools
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: metal vs wood prop |
I am using the warp drive prop on my corvair piet qnd it works great and is
ground adjustable. Wm Wynne says it is the most efficient. I don't know how it
would work on an A65, but would it be worth a try? Cheers, Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: tools <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, December 20, 2011 6:22:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: metal vs wood prop
Ok, I'll double check the tach, but still, isn't it relative? I was surprised
I
got MORE rpm from a heavier and higher pitched prop. That's what I'm trying to
figure out.
I never really hoped for A4 performance, but this is different. We're picking
our way through the trees!
Tools
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| Subject: | My table built with steel studs |
| From: | "MKJ1928" <mike(at)oconomowocplumbing.com> |
Hey guys, thought I would share with you the table top I built. It's 25" x 8' and
it's going to be used to build ribs, the tail section, and miscellaneous metal
parts.
I looked at wood studs but they seemed to be warped. I went to a commercial builders
supply house and bought 18ga steel studs and sandwiched it between two 1/4"
solid phenolic sheets. Plywood would work but I just happen to have these
laying around and they already had holes in them.
The steel studs made it perfectly flat and its as still as can be. If any of you
need to build a table I'm convinced it would work well for you. The studs were
about $6 each and come 16 feet long if you need it.
Mike
--------
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: metal vs wood prop |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Ah, well that explains it then. I agree, the wood looks LOTS and LOTS better,
but as I mentioned, not going for any records other than a perfect not fly into
trees sort of record!
I think the wood prop worked great for Dick (builder and prior owner) as he usually
flew it alone and up there (Minnesota) most fields have really nice unobstructed
approach and departure paths. Down here in the great hardwood forest,
not so much. There's TONS of neat little fields, but they ALL have a wall of
trees to get past.
Also, I guess the aluminum prop can be re-pitched, rather than have to look for
a new prop altogether.
Gonna final install the metal 72-44 and see how it does flying.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: My table built with steel studs |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Well Mike, I don't doubt that your work table is "stiff as can be". That's a pretty
robust structure. You mention the cost of the studs at $6 each, but there's
no mention of the cost of the phenolic sheets. I just did a quick internet
search, and if you kept the width down to 24", rather than 25", the phenolic material
will probably run about $350 (depending on the grade of phenolic sheets
- you could spend $1000 if you felt so inclined). I would hazard a guess that
you were given the material.
Aside from the cost, I'm just wondering about the practicality of using phenolic
sheets as a work table surface. Phenolic is pretty hard stuff - not so easy
for driving screws into, and also not so good for drawing on (to loft your rib
jig or tail parts).
(my 2 cents)
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: My table built with steel studs |
| From: | "MKJ1928" <mike(at)oconomowocplumbing.com> |
Hi Bill
Sorry I didn't make it more clear, I just happened to have the phenolic available
because my Dad owns a company that manufactures it. The sheets are 4' x 8'
out of the press but the sheets I had on hand were from an old pipe rack I made
years ago.
Plywood makes more sense as I indicated. Your right about the ability to mark it
though and I will end up putting a sheet of plywood over it when I'm done to
make life easier. They do make special industrial screws exclusively for phenolic
but it's not worth the hassle of pre-drilling.
The post was meant to be about the steel studs instead of wood ones. It really
worked well and because they are near perfect it makes out for a nice and sturdy
flat surface. I just wasn't sure if anybody used steel studs so I figured I
would offer it up as an option.
--------
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: My table built with steel studs |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Okay, it all makes sense now.
I agree that finding nice straight wood studs can sometimes be challenging these
days. Steel studs are always consistently straight and are not affected by moisture
or prone to twisting and warping like wood can be. The heavier gauge ones
like you have chosen would be the ones to use for a work surface (as opposed
to the light gauge standard studs - they're not so sturdy).
Bill C.
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: My table built with steel studs |
I used those steel studs. Riveted two together to
make a stiff tube, one on each long edge of the
table.Screwed cross members of the same every
two feet. Legs with more studding to hold up ply
shelves underneath. Top is 3/4" K3,or whatever
it's called down your way. This top can be leveled
six ways from Sunday with those cedar shingle
wedges, depending on how anal you want to be. :-)
The table is 4' wide by 14' long. Oh, and I made the
frame width a couple of inches less so that the
overhang would make for easy clamping of stuff. Also
I bought a roll of heavy white paper/cardboard to
lay on top for lofting. When you finish a bunch of
parts and have that surface covered in lines ( and
glue! ) you take it up and lay a fresh sheet for the
next batch.
Good Lord! THAT was eleven years ago!!!
Clif
Pilots are a rare kind of human. They leave the ordinary surface of the
world, to purify their soul in the sky, and they come down to earth, only
after receiving the communion of the infinite."
Jos Maria Velasco Ibarra, President of Ecuador
>
> Well Mike, I don't doubt that your work table is "stiff as can be". That's
> a pretty robust structure. You mention the cost of the studs at $6 each,
> but there's no mention of the cost of the phenolic sheets.> Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: My table built with steel studs |
| From: | "MKJ1928" <mike(at)oconomowocplumbing.com> |
@ Bill
Your 100% accurate about the 18ga. I looked at the 20ga first and the difference
is unbelievable. The 18ga feels like a steel beam compared to the 22 or 24.
-------
I like the idea of riveting two together, I didn't think of that. I bet that would
make out for one heck of a strong unit.
--------
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Father/son build team with engine question |
| From: | "MKJ1928" <mike(at)oconomowocplumbing.com> |
Thanks Chuck and John
--------
Mike
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Watch out for the bad guys out there |
So does this 'mechanic' actually turn up in person
to claim his money? If so then I think you've come
face to face with the perpetuator. This scam has
been around for years. The first time I ran across it
was seven years ago. Someone moving from their
temporary home in California wanted one of my
paintings. they wanted me to ship the painting to
the headquarters of their moving company, a PO
addy in London, England. The money order
arrived but for twice the amount. When querried
I was told the guy's wife had misunderstood his
instructions and could I please send the extra on
to the shipping company in England.Fortunately
alarm bells were sounding in my head and I held
off long enough to be made aware of the nature
of the beast. I gave all the info to the RCMP.
Never did find out the outcome.
Pretty ballsy of the guy to actually turn up as
a mechanic!
Clif
They didn't try to bargain on the asking price. They claimed to out
of the country in the military, and wanted to send an agent/mechanic to
check out the airplane. They would send a certified check "guaranteed",
paying 10% down with an additional amount for the mechanic, which I was
to pass on to him.
The catch is that the 'cashiers check' is bogus. Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: metal vs wood prop |
I have a wood Sensenich 72-40 on my A-65 Piet. It has great performance
with 2 on board. Have you considered the w&b issues when switching to a
metal prop? I know it is on the nose of the plane, but you will be
giving up 10 pounds of gross wt.
Ben Charvet
On 12/20/2011 8:38 PM, tools wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tools"
>
> Ah, well that explains it then. I agree, the wood looks LOTS and LOTS better,
but as I mentioned, not going for any records other than a perfect not fly into
trees sort of record!
>
> I think the wood prop worked great for Dick (builder and prior owner) as he usually
flew it alone and up there (Minnesota) most fields have really nice unobstructed
approach and departure paths. Down here in the great hardwood forest,
not so much. There's TONS of neat little fields, but they ALL have a wall
of trees to get past.
>
> Also, I guess the aluminum prop can be re-pitched, rather than have to look for
a new prop altogether.
>
> Gonna final install the metal 72-44 and see how it does flying.
>
> Tools
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361367#361367
>
>
> _-
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| Subject: | Re: metal vs wood prop |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I'd like to try a 72-40 wood prop, but have this metal prop available to at least
diagnose and experiment.
It is about 10 to 15 lbs heavier, but my plane has a battery installed on the firewall
to HELP with w and b. I'd be happy to remove the battery to gain the
climb performance, so the weight is not an issue.
I was doing some research and found a great PDF file from Sensenich talking about
prop suitability. It mentioned that a standard prop should allow the engine
to develop rated rpm in level flight. My engine has only ever seen almost 2100
rpm in level flight and I think it's rated (still some more reading to do)
for 23 to 2400. I saw 2300 once in a full power decent. A cruise prop should
allow 150 under rated, a climb prop 150 over, all at full power, level flight.
My son and I are having a difficult time with these down in the trees fields with
moderate temps. I can't imagine us in the summer when it's HOT and HUMID!
And he's pretty light. I flew with Kevin Purtee last summer at Brodhead, he
had NO PROBLEM with him and I at 80 degrees. I know it's an entirely different
setup, but I'm thinking I should have more climb than I do now.
Single occupant, it's no problem as is, though needing such high power settings
for so long on climb out seems as though I'm probably paying for more fuel than
I really need as well.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: metal vs wood prop |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Props really seem to differ quite a bit from one to the next. Pitches can't really
be trusted that much from one to the next either. I have a Sensenich 72
X 40 on my Chief and really like it. I had a 72 x 44 Hegy that was repitched
to 42 by Hegy on my Piet for a while. I did a lot of prop research a few years
back and had Ed Sterba carve a 76 x 36 prop. The Piet didn't lose any cruise
and climb was much, much better. The draggy airgrame does much better with
a lower pitch larger diameter prop. The gain in disk area from 72" to 76" is
about 11% I believe. Shorter takeoffs and greater climb for sure. Then I bought
Frank Pavliga's Falcon prop mainly because of the looks and the reputation
they have as a good performer. It is a 72 x 44. The performance is almost identical
to the Sterba prop...go figure. Airfoil and how the pitch changes over
the length of the prop must be big variables. I still think, though for the
many manufacturers out there, the ideal Piet prop is something like a 76 x 36
or a 76 x 38. Although it is the standard for many airplanes, I really don't
think the Sensenich 72 x 42 is the ideal prop for the Piet.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: metal vs wood prop |
My A-65 turns 2300 during climb out, and just goes a hair over that
straight and level. If you are only turning 2100 rpm you aren't really
seeing 65 hp, and you have to remember Kevin Purtee is seeing close to
100 hp. In spite of being heavier than a lot of Piets, his Corvair
really pulls it along well. I bought my Sensenich 72x40 at a swap meet
and was worried that it really should have had a 42 pitch, but it seems
to be the perfect prop for my setup.
Having said all that, if you have a prop that is close to recommended
parameters, I don't see any problem with giving it a shot. Question for
the list...Does this constitute a change that should be reported to the
FAA, and require a short phase 1 test period.
Seems like my airworthiness inspector said that it did.
Ben
I was doing some research and found a great PDF file from Sensenich
talking about prop suitability. It mentioned that a standard prop should
allow the engine to develop rated rpm in level flight. My engine has
only ever seen almost 2100 rpm in level flight and I think it's rated
(still some more reading to do) for 23 to 2400. I saw 2300 once in a
full power decent. A cruise prop should allow 150 under rated, a climb
prop 150 over, all at full power, level flight. My son and I are having
a difficult time with these down in the trees fields with moderate
temps. I can't imagine us in the summer when it's HOT and HUMID! And
he's pretty light. I flew with Kevin Purtee last summer at Brodhead, he
had NO PROBLEM with him and I at 80 degrees. I know it's an entirely
different setup, but I'm thinking I should have more climb than I do now.
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | building table with most miles on it |
Dick wrote:
>Sorry Oscar
>I carried my table to Sun n Fun and back 1650 mi each way and built
>my fuselage there.
I hereby withdraw my claim to having the building table with the most
miles on it, and bow at the feet of a better-traveled Piet builder!
Dick, you're amazing. I know that you and the other folks who take on
the building project year after year are planting seeds, kicking off
new projects for new Piet builders, and showing how it's done. My hat
is off to you, sir!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Dan asked-
> Regardless of the engine choice has anyone ever altered ( moved ) the thrust
line
> of their PIETENPOL . Either the Angle ( Up, Down, Left, Right) or height
> of thrust line in relationship to the top longeron ? What was the result ?
Scout's engine mount places the engine thrustline close to where the A65-style
mount calls for it to be, but I have since changed the thrust angles on it
by adding washers, shims, and then eventually (when it was dialed in), spacers.
Specifically, I added downthrust and offset, and the result has been that the
airplane is more nearly a hands-off cruiser than I could ever have imagined.
Here are some re-postings of two of my earlier posts on the subject. From 10/6/10:
==================
I'm just doing this to 41CC now, incrementally. First increment was to offset
the stab in the direction Jack has stated (to the left, looking forward), by about
3/8". I then removed the bent-metal trim tab at the trailing edge of the
rudder. Flew pretty well but still yawed to the left. Should have offset the
stab by 1/2" but no more than that.
Next increment was to check engine thrustline and it was zero-zero. I have now
offset the engine thrustline 2 degrees right and 2 degrees down and although
it still yaws to the left, it's getting very close now and the stick forces (elevator)
in cruise are improved as well. These adjustments were done using engine
mount washers, but after I add another 1/2 degree of right thrust, we're
going to machine some aluminum spacers to replace the washers and we're done.
Next will be to play with the bungee tension that I have on the elevator bellcrank
for nose up trim.
I never imagined that 41CC might be a hands-off airplane, but it's looking like
it might be possible, in smooth air, with just the right amount of fuel in the
tank ;o)
================
>From 12/26/10:
================
I concluded vibration testing on my A75 today, with good results.
Recall that before balancing, the Dynavibe was showing 0.51 IPS
imbalance at 2150 RPM, which was maximum static at the condition on
Dec. 18. We ran some other tests using a different carb venturi
and adjusted the engine thrust line, but those had nothing to do
with the vibration work. An interim test run using longer AN6 prop
bolts with four stacked washers under the heads resulted in a reduction
of vibration to 0.27 IPS at 2150 RPM, with just a slight radial
change in location of the heavy side of the prop. We were on the
right track.
Today we added a small 'flyweight' clamped between the two prop bolts
across from the side of the prop that the Dynavibe had identified
as heavy. It was purposely made a bit heavier than we think will
be the final shape of it, allowing for rounding of the edges and
then applying paint (it's 4130 steel). Warmed up the engine and
ran the Dynavibe averaging again, and achieved 0.07 IPS and now
the heavy side has shifted radially on the hub, indicating that
we would be chasing small changes from here on, with very limited
ways of offsetting the heaviness. So, we called it more than
just good (Dynavibe says to shoot for no more than 0.1 IPS).
Cowlings back on, engine warmed up, and a test flight in "Scout" was
just deee-lightful!!! What a joy, not only in the buttery smoothness
of the engine, but leveling out at cruise, the change in engine
thrustline offset was very rewarding. Hands off, feet off, half
tank of fuel, and the yaw is almost gone... a half-ball of left turning,
which a very light touch on the right rudder would stop instantly. I
never thought this would be a hands-off airplane, but it's getting very
close! We'll reinstall the bent-metal trim tab on the rudder and
I'll bet the next flight will show NO yawing tendency with feet off
the rudders. This airplane is getting sweeter with every tweak we give
it. Of course, it was clear and COLD here today (mid-40s) so Scout
climbed wonderfully, but still- the improvements are noticeable and
useful.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Work Bench |
| From: | "johnnysdrop" <johnnysdrop(at)googlemail.com> |
Kringle
How do you level the tables and how will you join them together?
They look good!
English Johnny
On rib 13 now.
--------
The only way is UP
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Work Bench |
Sweet looking tables!-
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Operation Arrow Fest Update #1 |
Today is the start of day six of my Holiday build fest.- After spending a
few days with family, I really got started last Monday on the covering of
the tail pieces. So far it has been fantastic!- To date I have the vert.s
tab. finished, the rudder 98% finished and one elevator underway. Today, I
will finish the rudder, continue on elevator #1 and start elevator #2. Once
these and the horizontal stabilizer-are finished, I will move on to the
ailerons.
-
It was slow at first, being sure I had the processes and order of operation
correct, but now things-progress a little faster. Having a good temperat
ure in the shop helps the glue to dry and working multiple items at a time
-keep things moving.- Once I learned the proper methods for glueing fab
ric to wood and fabric to fabric, it was time to learn how to handle curves
and tape curves. Then I moved on to learning rib stitching layout and stit
ching knots. Now I know how to do all of the above, use the iron to do the
curving and tape work and rib stitch.- It is a great feeling to learn new
skills and actually be faily good at them!
-
My ambitious plan was to have the tail pieces completely done, painted and
ready for flight by the end of my three weeks off.- Right now, it appears
that I may just make it!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Operation Arrow Fest Update #1 |
On 12/22/2011 9:23 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> Today is the start of day six of my Holiday build fest. After
> spending a few days with family, I really got started last Monday on
> the covering of the tail pieces. So far it has been fantastic! To
> date I have the vert.stab. finished, the rudder 98% finished and one
> elevator underway. Today, I will finish the rudder, continue on
> elevator #1 and start elevator #2. Once these and the horizontal
> stabilizer are finished, I will move on to the ailerons.
> It was slow at first, being sure I had the processes and order of
> operation correct, but now things progress a little faster. Having a
> good temperature in the shop helps the glue to dry and working
> multiple items at a time keep things moving. Once I learned the
> proper methods for glueing fabric to wood and fabric to fabric, it was
> time to learn how to handle curves and tape curves. Then I moved on to
> learning rib stitching layout and stitching knots. Now I know how to
> do all of the above, use the iron to do the curving and tape work and
> rib stitch. It is a great feeling to learn new skills and actually be
> faily good at them!
> My ambitious plan was to have the tail pieces completely done, painted
> and ready for flight by the end of my three weeks off. Right now, it
> appears that I may just make it!
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
The Stewart System glue sure makes it easy to handle the curves, doesn't it!
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Covering question |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Some of you may remember that back in October/November, Barnstormers had an ad
for a Pietenpol project that was up in Warren, ME. 6 months of the year, I live
about 35 miles from there so road trip it is. Bought the project on the spot
for several reasons. 1. The fellow and his son who built the thing also restored
and built classy wooden canoes; Old Town and the like. I saw the level
of craftsmanship on them and on the Piet was, embarrassingly, better than mine
and not just a little. 2. The guy who did the welding of the landing gear,
engine mount, and so on, is the head guy in the restoration shop at Owl's Head
Transportation Museum (ohtm.org). They fly rides in a Waco and Stearman and
have made FLYING replicas of a Bleriot, a Taube, a Curtiss D, and a bunch of
others. He knows how to weld. 3. The father and son did not work in a vacuum.
Some of you may know Karl Erickson. He's been around Piets for years and
has owned, I think, 3. He provided the equivalent of Tech Counselor advice.
4. The project was essentially ready for cover, saving me probably 2 years.
The plane had been assembled and the control rigging done so the major project
groups left are covering, FWF, and instruments.
This is all by way of preface. The duo covered the tail feathers and ailerons
with ceconite and butyrate dope using 1.7 oz fabric and there is enough 1.7 oz
fabric to do the rest of the plane. Meanwhile, I have purchased enough 2.7 oz
fabric to do an entire airplane and gotten a start on purchasing the Stewart
system glue and stuff.
Finally, the question. What do I do with the tail feathers and 1.7 oz fabric?
Looks like I have several choices. 1. Leave the tail feathers as is and do
the rest of the plane with either 1.7 or 2.7 fabric A local A&P says that you
shouldn't mix em. 2. Strip the old dope and fabric off and start over with
either 1.7 or 2.7 oz fabric. 3. Just continue with the dope and use the Stewart
another day. All choices imply a question of which fabric is preferable.
I am inclined to option 2 with the heavier fabric on at least the fuselage.
Any inputs are appreciated. I've looked at the archives for fabric preference
and found a spectrum of opinions. Does the use of the Stewart system change any
of them?
Included in the pile o stuff was a set (4) of cub lift struts. For those of you
who have used them, would you do it again or just start with new? Again, the
archives are ambivalent.
Thanks in advance.
Dave Aldrich
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| Subject: | Re: Covering question |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Dave
If I had bought an airframe ready to cover it would have saved me 11 (and still
counting) years of building not two years.
To name a few long time flyers Mike Cuy, Earl Myers and Steve Eldredge used 1.7
oz. on their whole plane. I plan on using it too because I will eventually get
to that point.
>From the archives
Greg- Superflite was pretty good to
deal with in sending me their 1.7 oz non-cert. fabric. They have a web
site too which is: http://www.superflite.com/cov.html#fabric They are
located in IL.
PS- the only thing I had to hunt around for was matching 1.7 oz. finishing
tapes....the pinked edged stuff you put over ribs, leading edges, trailing
edges etc. that comes in all kinds of various widths depending on your
need. I had to order those hit and miss from whomever had them in the
1.7 oz weight. Wicks, ACS, some independent Polyfiber dealers.
If you use the 1.7 oz. try to use 1.7 oz tapes too. The reason for this is
that the 1.7 oz has a fine weave that will fill nicely. (read less coats, less
sanding, less weight, nicer finished appearance) If you use heavier grades
of fabric for your finishing tapes you'll find number one, they are more
stiff and
don't lay down or curve around as easy as the lighter tapes, and number two,
they have a more coarse weave to them and will take more schtuff to fill the
weave to match the rest of your finish. It is fine to do though......just
some
observations.
Mike C.
David;
I always use the 1.7oz fabric with the textbook Stits or now the Polyfiber
process. It gives a nice low luster finish plus I used the flat rib chord
with the knots pulled inside the fabric. That makes for a really nice final
finish to the rib stitching, no knots.
Mike Cuy had a standard dope finish with a brightener added in his final
coat to give it a VERY high gloss...........I just wanted to stay with an
antique finish which mostly were low luster even then except for the
high-priced ships with hand rubbed Nitrate/Butyrate (dope) finishes.....
Earl Myers
I used the 1.7oz generic dacron from As&S. It was about
$3.65 a yard. I used the generic tapes, and poly fiber products to glue it
down. rib stitching was with round cord, not flat.
Steve E.
--------
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Operation Arrow Fest Update #1 |
It really does! The Ekobond and some heat work great!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Thu, 12/22/11, Ben Charvet wrote:
> From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Operation Arrow Fest Update #1
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, December 22, 2011, 11:01 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/22/2011 9:23 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Today is the start of day six of my
> Holiday build
> fest. After spending a few days with
> family, I really
> got started last Monday on the covering of
> the tail
> pieces. So far it has been fantastic!
> To date I have
> the vert.stab. finished, the rudder 98%
> finished
> and one elevator underway. Today, I will
> finish the
> rudder, continue on elevator #1 and start
> elevator #2.
> Once these and the horizontal
> stabilizerare finished, I
> will move on to the ailerons.
>
> It was slow at first, being sure I had
> the processes
> and order of operation correct, but now
> thingsprogress
> a little faster. Having a good temperature
> in the shop
> helps the glue to dry and working multiple
> items at a
> timekeep things moving. Once I
> learned the proper
> methods for glueing fabric to
> wood and
> fabric to fabric, it was time to learn how
> to handle
> curves and tape curves. Then I moved on to
> learning rib
> stitching layout and stitching knots. Now I
> know how to
> do all of the above, use the iron to do the
> curving and
> tape work and rib stitch. It is a
> great feeling to
> learn new skills and actually be faily good
> at them!
>
> My ambitious plan was to have the tail
> pieces
> completely done, painted and ready for
> flight by the end
> of my three weeks off. Right now, it
> appears that I may
> just make it!
>
>
>
> Michael Perez
>
> Karetaker Aero
>
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
>
>
>
> The Stewart System glue sure makes it easy to handle
> the curves,
> doesn't it!
>
>
>
> --
> Ben Charvet, PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
>
>
>
>
>
>
> provided
>
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Covering question |
Well, I am covering now and only have limited experience with Superflite's 104
fabric. (1.7 oz) Their fabric comes 72" wide which is perfect to cover the wings,
other places have 60" I believe. Any idea how wide your 1.7 is?
They also sell an entire line of 1.7 oz tapes. If you decide to keep the 1.7 oz
fabric and need tapes, check them out. (If you decide to sell said fabric, I
would be interested...I need more to do the fuselage and wings.)
If it were my decision, I would go for lighter weight. Since the tail is done,
continue to do the rest of the plane with the 1.7. If you use it, I think you'll
love the Ekobond.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Thu, 12/22/11, dgaldrich wrote:
> From: dgaldrich <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering question
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, December 22, 2011, 5:55 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "dgaldrich"
>
> Some of you may remember that back in October/November,
> Barnstormers had an ad for a Pietenpol project that was up
> in Warren, ME. 6 months of the year, I live about 35
> miles from there so road trip it is. Bought the
> project on the spot for several reasons. 1. The
> fellow and his son who built the thing also restored and
> built classy wooden canoes; Old Town and the like. I
> saw the level of craftsmanship on them and on the Piet was,
> embarrassingly, better than mine and not just a
> little. 2. The guy who did the welding of the
> landing gear, engine mount, and so on, is the head guy in
> the restoration shop at Owl's Head Transportation Museum
> (ohtm.org). They fly rides in a Waco and Stearman and
> have made FLYING replicas of a Bleriot, a Taube, a Curtiss
> D, and a bunch of others. He knows how to weld.
> 3. The father and son did not work in a vacuum.
> Some of you may know Karl Erickson. He's been around
> Piets for years and has owned, I think, 3. He provided
> the equivalent !
> of Tech Counselor advice. 4. The project was
> essentially ready for cover, saving me probably 2
> years. The plane had been assembled and the control
> rigging done so the major project groups left are covering,
> FWF, and instruments.
>
> This is all by way of preface. The duo covered the
> tail feathers and ailerons with ceconite and butyrate dope
> using 1.7 oz fabric and there is enough 1.7 oz fabric to do
> the rest of the plane. Meanwhile, I have purchased
> enough 2.7 oz fabric to do an entire airplane and gotten a
> start on purchasing the Stewart system glue and stuff.
>
> Finally, the question. What do I do with the tail
> feathers and 1.7 oz fabric? Looks like I have several
> choices. 1. Leave the tail feathers as is and do
> the rest of the plane with either 1.7 or 2.7 fabric A
> local A&P says that you shouldn't mix em. 2.
> Strip the old dope and fabric off and start over with either
> 1.7 or 2.7 oz fabric. 3. Just continue with the
> dope and use the Stewart another day. All choices
> imply a question of which fabric is preferable. I am
> inclined to option 2 with the heavier fabric on at least the
> fuselage.
>
> Any inputs are appreciated. I've looked at the
> archives for fabric preference and found a spectrum of
> opinions. Does the use of the Stewart system change
> any of them?
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> Included in the pile o stuff was a set (4) of cub lift
> struts. For those of you who have used them, would you
> do it again or just start with new? Again, the
> archives are ambivalent.
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> Thanks in advance.
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| Subject: | Re: Covering question |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Covered NX929DH in 1.7 oz. fabric. Glad I did.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: dgaldrich <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 22, 2011 4:58 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering question
>
Some of you may remember that back in October/November, Barnstormers had an
ad
or a Pietenpol project that was up in Warren, ME. 6 months of the year, I
live
bout 35 miles from there so road trip it is. Bought the project on the spo
t
or several reasons. 1. The fellow and his son who built the thing also
estored and built classy wooden canoes; Old Town and the like. I saw the l
evel
f craftsmanship on them and on the Piet was, embarrassingly, better than mi
ne
nd not just a little. 2. The guy who did the welding of the landing gear,
ngine mount, and so on, is the head guy in the restoration shop at Owl's He
ad
ransportation Museum (ohtm.org). They fly rides in a Waco and Stearman and
ave made FLYING replicas of a Bleriot, a Taube, a Curtiss D, and a bunch of
thers. He knows how to weld. 3. The father and son did not work in a vac
uum.
ome of you may know Karl Erickson. He's been around Piets for years and ha
s
wned, I think, 3. He provided the equivalent !
of Tech Counselor advice. 4. The project was essentially ready for cover,
aving me probably 2 years. The plane had been assembled and the control
igging done so the major project groups left are covering, FWF, and
nstruments.
This is all by way of preface. The duo covered the tail feathers and ailer
ons
ith ceconite and butyrate dope using 1.7 oz fabric and there is enough 1.7
oz
abric to do the rest of the plane. Meanwhile, I have purchased enough 2.7
oz
abric to do an entire airplane and gotten a start on purchasing the Stewart
ystem glue and stuff.
Finally, the question. What do I do with the tail feathers and 1.7 oz fabr
ic?
ooks like I have several choices. 1. Leave the tail feathers as is and do
the
est of the plane with either 1.7 or 2.7 fabric A local A&P says that you
houldn't mix em. 2. Strip the old dope and fabric off and start over with
ither 1.7 or 2.7 oz fabric. 3. Just continue with the dope and use the
tewart another day. All choices imply a question of which fabric is
referable. I am inclined to option 2 with the heavier fabric on at least t
he
uselage.
Any inputs are appreciated. I've looked at the archives for fabric prefere
nce
nd found a spectrum of opinions. Does the use of the Stewart system change
any
f them?
Included in the pile o stuff was a set (4) of cub lift struts. For those o
f you
ho have used them, would you do it again or just start with new? Again, th
e
rchives are ambivalent.
Thanks in advance.
Dave Aldrich
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| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Like a few others on the list I've got a few holiday "days" off. I'm going to
weld my wing cabane fittings and want to get them primed.
I know Bingelis says zinc chromate for priming the metal. I've found it available
at Aircraft Spruce and Wicks, but was wondering if it was an item I might
find (or substitute) locally. I live in a small town but it has 3 autobody shops
that have auto metal primers, but the ones I've seen don't have zinc chromate
as an ingredient.
Is it okay to use a metal primer (such as for autos) that doesn't have zinc chromate
(or phosphate) as a component? Or is this something I need to order from
an aircraft supply company (like I've done for all wood, metals, glues, bolts,
cables, etc.)
Thanks,
Tom
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
For what it's worth, zinc chromate doesn't offer very good protection
compared to one of the newer 2-part epoxy primers. I'd go ahead and order
one of them made by Randolph or Poly Fiber and get it from Aircraft Spruce
rather than just using a rattle can primer. A lot of the metal parts on a
Pietenpol are not easy to get to for inspection and may have undetected
rust. I'd use the best primer money can buy, which is epoxy.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
tdudley(at)umn.edu
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer
Like a few others on the list I've got a few holiday "days" off. I'm going
to weld my wing cabane fittings and want to get them primed.
I know Bingelis says zinc chromate for priming the metal. I've found it
available at Aircraft Spruce and Wicks, but was wondering if it was an item
I might find (or substitute) locally. I live in a small town but it has 3
autobody shops that have auto metal primers, but the ones I've seen don't
have zinc chromate as an ingredient.
Is it okay to use a metal primer (such as for autos) that doesn't have zinc
chromate (or phosphate) as a component? Or is this something I need to
order from an aircraft supply company (like I've done for all wood, metals,
glues, bolts, cables, etc.)
Thanks,
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Tom,
Another alternative to consider is powder coating your metal parts (as opposed
to using wet paint).
If you're going to powder coat, there's no primer required - the powder basically
melts directly onto the surface of the steel, forming a very strong mechanical
bond. Powder coating is extremely durable, and environmentally friendly (no
solvents).
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
| From: | "flea" <jimgriggs(at)yahoo.com> |
I was going to suggest both of those, instead I will second them both.
I used to paint in the USAF, we used two part epoxy primer. I reckon if it's good
enough for 400 KTS, it's good enough for 80.
After watching a friend of mine powder coat a few car parts I was impressed with
just how simple and fast it was. He used an old second hand oven in his work
shop set to the highest temp. HF has a powder coating setup for 75 bucks and
the powder for 5.
If you're already setup for paint, then I'd look at a two part epoxy primer. If
you need to go shopping, then consider powder coating. 80 for the equipment and
the powder of your choice and the cost of an old oven from Craigslist, the
process was simple too, preheat the part, apply powder, bake on and cool.
Jim.
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| Subject: | New Member, NW Arkansas |
| From: | "RickBright" <brightwellrichard(at)yahoo.com> |
Just a guy who wants to fly here, I recently found this site and saw a picture
of an Pietenpol for my first time a few weeks ago and am in the very early stages
of fullfilling a life long dream... I have a 80 acre pasture behind my house
and for years have thought of flying something out of it. I learned to fly
in 1973 when I was 17, took lessons and did a few cross countries in a Cessna,
spent 12 years in the Navy, married, allowed life to get in the way and have
not flown in years.
I wrote down the name Pietenpol on a piece of paper a week ago, went to an elderly
neighbor of mine who is a master mechinic, machinist, Model A nut and asked
him if he had ever heard of one. He gave me that look, said come in the shop,
went to a desk started pulling old aviation clippings and articles, several
on Pietenpol's. Knew all about them.
I am a former cabinet maker, do metal work and blacksmithing, have a shop full
of metal and woodworking machines, all my machines are old school manual machines
but they seem to get the work done.
Are there any members in the Arkansas, Missouri Oklahoma area who would like a
visitor? I would appreciate getting to see a project or a completed aircraft.
Also I am looking at the project presently on E-Bay, any thoughts or comments
appreciated. I know this would advance me a couple of years. The project is wider
and some {4") has been added to the length. Can someone tell me if extra
length would prevent me from going with the Model A Engine?
Thanks in advance
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Covering question |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
I have a little of both on my Piet, 1.7 oz and 2.7 oz. I've used both Poly Fiber
and dope on different projects. I'm a fan of dope. But that's just my preference.
Darn dope prices really jumped a couple of months ago. Just placed
an order and was really shocked compared to an order I placed back in the summer...
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Another thought is to head down to the local NAPA. They sell a two part epoxy
primer that is very similar to the Randolph and Poly Fiber. Can be sprayed with
thinning or just brushed on for pretty good results. Covering materials won't
bother it...
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: New Member, NW Arkansas |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Rick... Sounds like you are really set up to build a Piet. Just something to consider...
if you are going to use a Model A it is best to really adhere to the
plans and really keep it light. Just ask the guys that have built and are flying
Model A Piets. I think you would be happier if you built from the beginning.
Just my thoughts though. If you are ever in the NE Ohio or Western PA
area, look me up. I could show you mine or a little ways off are Frank Pavliga's
Sky Gypsy and Alan Rudolph's '33 example with a Model A. All three could
be seen in a matter of a couple hours.
Don Emch
NX899DE
(330) 429-5265
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| Subject: | Terne Plate Tank Builders FYI |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
For any of you that are building a terneplate tank like in the plans, I have a
resource for you. While repairing some 70 year old Taylorcraft terneplate tanks
I came across these guys...
http://josephjenkins.com/store/
They stock the old hand irons, tin, the correct solder, and flux. Great prices.
Really great people to talk to, too, about soldering. Now if you can just
find Larry Williams' old article about soldering up a tank, you're all set to
build a cheap functional tank.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Member, NW Arkansas |
Rick, I agree with Don. I purchased a partially completed Piet and ended up
using very little of the project. I sold the ribs, tail and gave the
fuselage to a friend. I'm redoing the wheels to make them acceptable.
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 6:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member, NW Arkansas
Rick... Sounds like you are really set up to build a Piet. Just something
to consider... if you are going to use a Model A it is best to really adhere
to the plans and really keep it light. Just ask the guys that have built
and are flying Model A Piets. I think you would be happier if you built
from the beginning. Just my thoughts though. If you are ever in the NE
Ohio or Western PA area, look me up. I could show you mine or a little ways
off are Frank Pavliga's Sky Gypsy and Alan Rudolph's '33 example with a
Model A. All three could be seen in a matter of a couple hours.
Don Emch
NX899DE
(330) 429-5265
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
Last time I painted anything aircraft I used Epoxy Zinc Chromate.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer
> From: tdudley(at)umn.edu
> Date: Thu=2C 22 Dec 2011 19:04:51 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Like a few others on the list I've got a few holiday "days" off. I'm goin
g to weld my wing cabane fittings and want to get them primed.
>
> I know Bingelis says zinc chromate for priming the metal. I've found it a
vailable at Aircraft Spruce and Wicks=2C but was wondering if it was an ite
m I might find (or substitute) locally. I live in a small town but it has 3
autobody shops that have auto metal primers=2C but the ones I've seen don'
t have zinc chromate as an ingredient.
>
> Is it okay to use a metal primer (such as for autos) that doesn't have zi
nc chromate (or phosphate) as a component? Or is this something I need to o
rder from an aircraft supply company (like I've done for all wood=2C metals
=2C glues=2C bolts=2C cables=2C etc.)
>
> Thanks=2C
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
Jim said,
......... consider powder coating. 80 for the equipment and the powder of
your choice and the cost of an old oven from Craigslist, the process was
simple too, preheat the part, apply powder, bake on and cool.
OK. I'll ask the question ---- "Where do we get the instructions on how to
Powder Coat?" Chuck
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
Jim now says:
There are a lot of articles out there on the world wide interweb on how people
have done it...
Here's one (didn't read the entire article but it looks like good info) I found
after doing a quick google search:
http://homemetalshopclub.org/projects/powder.pdf
There's really not much to the process. Sandblast the parts...spray on the powder....bake.
If you decide to move forward, let me know and I'll take some pics
of my setup, add some comments and send them to you.
Or contact me offlist and we can get on the phone. I may be coming out to Raleigh
in late January (don't know for sure yet...) so get your stuff setup and we
an do some powder coating when I get there! :-)
Happy holidays to everyone!
JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: C N Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
>Sent: Dec 23, 2011 7:22 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Metal primer
>
>
>Jim said,
>......... consider powder coating. 80 for the equipment and the powder of
>your choice and the cost of an old oven from Craigslist, the process was
>simple too, preheat the part, apply powder, bake on and cool.
>
>OK. I'll ask the question ---- "Where do we get the instructions on how to
>Powder Coat?" Chuck
>
>
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Old Member....NE Oklahoma |
Hi Rick!
Welcome to the list. To say that you will not find a better group of people anywhere
is a bit of an understatement. Mr Pietenpol's wonderful design and the
friends you'll make here all adds up to what can be an incredible adventure.
If you'll build to the plans and stick with it.
If you're the Richard Brightwell in the Harrison area, I'm just about straight
west of you, between Tulsa and Joplin. Not far as the crow flys but as we know,
it can take forever to drive those roads in your area!
I have a Model A Piet, almost ready to cover. So you better hurry and get over
here and....nah, you have plenty of time! :-) I just went from "part time"
to "full time" employment and haven't been getting much done lately.
And Mark Chouinard is building a Piet (I'm sure he'll also respond to your note)
near Tulsa. I'm sure I can speak for both of us and say please come over for
a visit!
Check out westcoastpiet.com for a wealth of Pietenpol information, primarily the
pictures.
Contact me offlist whenever you're in the are and let's get together for a visit!
Jim Markle
-----Original Message-----
>From: RickBright <brightwellrichard(at)yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 23, 2011 4:50 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Member, NW Arkansas
>
>
>Just a guy who wants to fly here, I recently found this site and saw a picture
of an Pietenpol for my first time a few weeks ago and am in the very early stages
of fullfilling a life long dream... I have a 80 acre pasture behind my house
and for years have thought of flying something out of it. I learned to fly
in 1973 when I was 17, took lessons and did a few cross countries in a Cessna,
spent 12 years in the Navy, married, allowed life to get in the way and have
not flown in years.
> I wrote down the name Pietenpol on a piece of paper a week ago, went to an elderly
neighbor of mine who is a master mechinic, machinist, Model A nut and asked
him if he had ever heard of one. He gave me that look, said come in the shop,
went to a desk started pulling old aviation clippings and articles, several
on Pietenpol's. Knew all about them.
> I am a former cabinet maker, do metal work and blacksmithing, have a shop full
of metal and woodworking machines, all my machines are old school manual machines
but they seem to get the work done.
> Are there any members in the Arkansas, Missouri Oklahoma area who would like
a visitor? I would appreciate getting to see a project or a completed aircraft.
> Also I am looking at the project presently on E-Bay, any thoughts or comments
appreciated. I know this would advance me a couple of years. The project is
wider and some {4") has been added to the length. Can someone tell me if extra
length would prevent me from going with the Model A Engine?
>
>Thanks in advance
>Rick
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361524#361524
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Here are a couple of videos demonstrating the process:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T01zIKxP0Ms&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS0LCiDaqUc
Bill (not a Jim)
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| Subject: | Re: Old Member....NE Oklahoma |
| From: | "RickBright" <brightwellrichard(at)yahoo.com> |
Jim,
Thanks for the reply and the invitation, you and Mark will be hearing from me.
Yes I am just SW of Harrison.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: New Member, NW Arkansas |
| From: | "RickBright" <brightwellrichard(at)yahoo.com> |
Jack&Don,
Thanks for the reply, you both are saying what I am thinking....At the end of
what I know will be a very involved project it wll be nice to look at the Pietenpol
and say "I built it" rather than "I built it, well part of it" and that
will be I suspect worth a lot.
Don, thanks for the invitation, if I am ever in your area I will contact you.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: New Member, NW Arkansas |
| From: | "flea" <jimgriggs(at)yahoo.com> |
Also check out westcoastpiet dot com. Thousands of pictures of hundreds projects
in every imaginable stage of construction. I also think that if you have enough
of an interest in wood/metal working that you have an entire shop, then just
building one from the ground up would probably make you happier. The construction
is very simple and fast even for a novice, for a person with some skills
and some time construction would be very very fast.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Father/son build team with engine question |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Mike,
The same offer goes out to you too. If you are ever in the NE Ohio or Western
PA area, please look me up. I think it's awesome that you are looking at this
as a father and son project. I try to include my kids as much as possible.
My daughters do prretty good at putting up with me, but my son really seems to
enjoy the Piet and airplanes in general. Lots of great memories. That's what
it's all about!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
I don't think you can buy REAL zinc chromate primer any longer thanks to the
EPA. Maybe Chromium is a toxic heavy metal? The "new" stuff seems to be no
better than weak green paint.
Jack Phillips has the correct answer, just use a self-etching epoxy primer
available at any auto paint store. The brand we use is Variprime. It works
great and gives great "tooth" for the topcoat to stick to.
Barry
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
tdudley(at)umn.edu
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer
-->
Like a few others on the list I've got a few holiday "days" off. I'm going
to weld my wing cabane fittings and want to get them primed.
I know Bingelis says zinc chromate for priming the metal. I've found it
available at Aircraft Spruce and Wicks, but was wondering if it was an item
I might find (or substitute) locally. I live in a small town but it has 3
autobody shops that have auto metal primers, but the ones I've seen don't
have zinc chromate as an ingredient.
Is it okay to use a metal primer (such as for autos) that doesn't have zinc
chromate (or phosphate) as a component? Or is this something I need to
order from an aircraft supply company (like I've done for all wood, metals,
glues, bolts, cables, etc.)
Thanks,
Tom
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361513#361513
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| Subject: | Re: Terne Plate Tank Builders FYI |
| From: | "Brett Phillips" <bphillip(at)shentel.net> |
Don:
Thanks for the tool source. Can you suggest a source for terne plate? I have
looked pretty hard, and short of buying a 40,000 lb truckload I haven't had much
luck finding it. I was thinking that galvanized sheet was going to be the
best I could do.
Brett Phillips
Strasburg, VA
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
Jim, Thanks for the info. After reading that article I think I will stick
to painting. The paint will last as long as I do and I don't really need it
to be that pretty.
You are welcome here anytime but I'm more than a hundred miles west of
Raleigh. If you're ever in Winston-Salem (even Greensboro) call me. Would
love to get together. I'll protect all my tools! ;>) Chuck
> http://homemetalshopclub.org/projects/powder.pdf
>
>
>
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| From: | Pietn38b(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: New Member, NW Arkansas |
Rick
I live east of JM and just north of Tulsa. I have a corvair powered Piet.
Welcome. If you are over this way maybe we can get together .
Merry Christmas all.
Jim Ballew
N38B
In a message dated 12/23/2011 4:53:05 A.M. Central Standard Time,
brightwellrichard(at)yahoo.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "RickBright"
Just a guy who wants to fly here, I recently found this site and saw a
picture of an Pietenpol for my first time a few weeks ago and am in the very
early stages of fullfilling a life long dream... I have a 80 acre pasture
behind my house and for years have thought of flying something out of it. I
learned to fly in 1973 when I was 17, took lessons and did a few cross
countries in a Cessna, spent 12 years in the Navy, married, allowed life to
get in the way and have not flown in years.
I wrote down the name Pietenpol on a piece of paper a week ago, went to an
elderly neighbor of mine who is a master mechinic, machinist, Model A nut
and asked him if he had ever heard of one. He gave me that look, said come
in the shop, went to a desk started pulling old aviation clippings and
articles, several on Pietenpol's. Knew all about them.
I am a former cabinet maker, do metal work and blacksmithing, have a shop
full of metal and woodworking machines, all my machines are old school
manual machines but they seem to get the work done.
Are there any members in the Arkansas, Missouri Oklahoma area who would
like a visitor? I would appreciate getting to see a project or a completed
aircraft.
Also I am looking at the project presently on E-Bay, any thoughts or
comments appreciated. I know this would advance me a couple of years. The
project is wider and some {4") has been added to the length. Can someone tell
me
if extra length would prevent me from going with the Model A Engine?
Thanks in advance
Rick
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Terne Plate Tank Builders FYI |
Brett=2C there is s sheet metal place right by my house that sells it. We
should talk=2C I might be remaking my tank also. Gene
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Terne Plate Tank Builders FYI
> From: bphillip(at)shentel.net
> Date: Fri=2C 23 Dec 2011 11:01:25 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
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> Don:
> Thanks for the tool source. Can you suggest a source for terne plate? I
have looked pretty hard=2C and short of buying a 40=2C000 lb truckload I h
aven't had much luck finding it. I was thinking that galvanized sheet was
going to be the best I could do.
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> Strasburg=2C VA
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
The old ZInc Chromate primer contained lead. This is no longer true. If y
ou use a "self etching primer" make sure it containes zinc tetroxychromate
otherwise it contains not anti corrosive qualities. I have found that rust
will come right through self etching primer in just a few days unless the
steel is etched with phosphoric acid. IMHO "self etching primer isn't wort
h much. The best procedure would be to etch with phosporic acid then prime
with an epoxy zinc chromate. Just my .02
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> From: bed(at)mindspring.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer
> Date: Fri=2C 23 Dec 2011 12:56:51 -0500
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>
> I don't think you can buy REAL zinc chromate primer any longer thanks to
the
> EPA. Maybe Chromium is a toxic heavy metal? The "new" stuff seems to be n
o
> better than weak green paint.
> Jack Phillips has the correct answer=2C just use a self-etching epoxy pri
mer
> available at any auto paint store. The brand we use is Variprime. It work
s
> great and gives great "tooth" for the topcoat to stick to.
> Barry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> tdudley(at)umn.edu
> Sent: Thursday=2C December 22=2C 2011 10:05 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer
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>
> Like a few others on the list I've got a few holiday "days" off. I'm goin
g
> to weld my wing cabane fittings and want to get them primed.
>
> I know Bingelis says zinc chromate for priming the metal. I've found it
> available at Aircraft Spruce and Wicks=2C but was wondering if it was an
item
> I might find (or substitute) locally. I live in a small town but it has 3
> autobody shops that have auto metal primers=2C but the ones I've seen don
't
> have zinc chromate as an ingredient.
>
> Is it okay to use a metal primer (such as for autos) that doesn't have zi
nc
> chromate (or phosphate) as a component? Or is this something I need to
> order from an aircraft supply company (like I've done for all wood=2C met
als=2C
> glues=2C bolts=2C cables=2C etc.)
>
> Thanks=2C
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> Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Hmmm, acid etch, then epoxy primer, then finish paint. Looks like powder coating
might be the easier method.
BC
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| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
| From: | "Kenneth M. Heide" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
Sign painters paint: One Shot. Lead based applied with a brush! Really tough stuff!
Kenneth M. Heide
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 23, 2011, at 7:56 PM, "Bill Church" wrote:
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> Hmmm, acid etch, then epoxy primer, then finish paint. Looks like powder coating
might be the easier method.
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Pietenpols and Movies |
I'm looking for input on some good flying movies for viewing this holiday season.
I bought a copy of "Barnstormers" (featuring a nice Pietenpol) and had it autographed
at Oshkosh. What a great story, I loved it. My favorite flying movie
of all time, "One Six Right" is almost memorized now. The video work and music
are amazing, and it tells an important story. I even bought "One Six Left",
which is about the making of "One Six Right". A nice movie on it's own. I have
seen a few nice gliding movies like "Masters of the Wave", and I have a copy
of the Wonderful World of Disney's "The Boy Who Flew with Condors" circa 1970.
This movie got me started in gliding when I was 13 years old. But now I'm looking
for something else to watch. Any thoughts?
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Pietenpols and Movies |
Well, there's always TGWP, otherwise known as The Great Waldo Pepper.
My favorites also include The Spirit of Saint Louis, starring Jimmy Stewart,
and Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 9:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols and Movies
I'm looking for input on some good flying movies for viewing this holiday
season. I bought a copy of "Barnstormers" (featuring a nice Pietenpol) and
had it autographed at Oshkosh. What a great story, I loved it. My favorite
flying movie of all time, "One Six Right" is almost memorized now. The
video work and music are amazing, and it tells an important story. I even
bought "One Six Left", which is about the making of "One Six Right". A nice
movie on it's own. I have seen a few nice gliding movies like "Masters of
the Wave", and I have a copy of the Wonderful World of Disney's "The Boy Who
Flew with Condors" circa 1970. This movie got me started in gliding when I
was 13 years old. But now I'm looking for something else to watch. Any
thoughts?
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols and Movies |
| From: | "flea" <jimgriggs(at)yahoo.com> |
The Great Waldo Pepper.
Jim.
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols and Movies |
The rocketeer, for some great 1930s footage. Amelia has some great footage in an
otherwise boring movie.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Friday, December 23, 2011 21:01
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols and Movies
> Well, there's always TGWP, otherwise known as The Great Waldo Pepper.
>
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> My favorites also include The Spirit of Saint Louis, starring Jimmy
> Stewart,and Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines.
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> Jack Phillips
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> NX899JP
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> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> gliderx5(at)comcast.net
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 9:35 PM
> To: Pietenpol
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols and Movies
>
>
>
> I'm looking for input on some good flying movies for viewing this
> holidayseason. I bought a copy of "Barnstormers" (featuring a nice
> Pietenpol) and
> had it autographed at Oshkosh. What a great story, I loved it. My
> favoriteflying movie of all time, "One Six Right" is almost
> memorized now. The
> video work and music are amazing, and it tells an important story.
> I even
> bought "One Six Left", which is about the making of "One Six
> Right". A nice
> movie on it's own. I have seen a few nice gliding movies like
> "Masters of
> the Wave", and I have a copy of the Wonderful World of Disney's
> "The Boy Who
> Flew with Condors" circa 1970. This movie got me started in
> gliding when I
> was 13 years old. But now I'm looking for something else to watch.
> Any
> thoughts?
>
> Malcolm Morrison
> http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols and Movies |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
My favorites for good flying scenes not already mentioned:
Air America
Always
Top Gun
These days you could probably find the NBC series Ba Ba Black Sheep.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
I don't think you want to be using sign painter's paint to paint all of the metal
parts - and especially on bare metal. This was a question about metal primer
wasn't it?
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Thanks for all the input. I hope to put it to good use. I did check the local
NAPA today and found an etching primer and a primer coat (in a rattle-bottle).
I also saw the two part epoxy. Powder coating the metal seems like a great
idea, but I don't have a "garage" oven available.
I guess I'll end up ordering primer from AS or Wick's to keep everything as "safe"
as I can. Besides, I worked pretty hard today and wouldn't want to ruin these
things:
(I have never figured out how to make the pictures smaller, but I have tried.)
Thanks again,
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: New Member, NW Arkansas |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Hey Rick, welcome to the forum. I too live in the Tulsa area, just south of Jim
Ballew and about 30 minutes west of Jim Markle in Pryor, OK. A little planning
and you could probably see several examples in an afternoon. There are 3
on my field alone (O38).
Give us a shout if you get over this way. Mine is still in progress, but I'd be
glad to show it to ya.
Mark
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
I'd still etch before powder coating=2C but=2C yes that'd be the way to go
if you have the stuff. Etched metal=2C even when left bare won't rust for
several months. The phosphoric acid reacts with iron oxide and turns it in
to iron phosphate which is inert
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Metal primer
> From: billspiet(at)sympatico.ca
> Date: Fri=2C 23 Dec 2011 20:20:10 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
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he metal parts - and especially on bare metal. This was a question about me
tal primer wasn't it?
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpols and Movies |
Military based.Strategic Air Command, The Blue Max, Bombers B 52 and Dr
Strangelove.
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 8:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols and Movies
I'm looking for input on some good flying movies for viewing this holiday
season. I bought a copy of "Barnstormers" (featuring a nice Pietenpol) and
had it autographed at Oshkosh. What a great story, I loved it. My favorite
flying movie of all time, "One Six Right" is almost memorized now. The
video work and music are amazing, and it tells an important story. I even
bought "One Six Left", which is about the making of "One Six Right". A nice
movie on it's own. I have seen a few nice gliding movies like "Masters of
the Wave", and I have a copy of the Wonderful World of Disney's "The Boy Who
Flew with Condors" circa 1970. This movie got me started in gliding when I
was 13 years old. But now I'm looking for something else to watch. Any
thoughts?
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Pietenpols and Movies |
I had found a documentary video at Walmart called Victory By Air. It is a 5 part
series on one disk, over four hours long. The entire video is all vintage footage
starting prior to the Wright brothers. It is by far the best aviation documentary
I have seen.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Sat, 12/24/11, Jack wrote:
> From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols and Movies
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, December 24, 2011, 6:29 AM
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> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> gliderx5(at)comcast.net
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> Sent: Friday,
> December 23, 2011
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> To:
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> Subject:
> Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols
> and Movies
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> I'm
> looking for input on some good flying
> movies for viewing this holiday season. I bought a
> copy of
> "Barnstormers" (featuring a nice Pietenpol) and
> had it autographed at
> Oshkosh .
> What a great story, I loved it. My favorite flying
> movie of all time,
> "One Six Right" is almost memorized now.
> The video work and
> music are amazing, and it tells an important story. I
> even bought
> "One Six Left", which is about the making of
> "One Six
> Right". A nice movie on it's own. I
> have seen a few nice
> gliding movies like "Masters of the Wave", and I
> have a copy of the
> Wonderful World of Disney's "The Boy Who Flew with
> Condors" circa
> 1970. This movie got me started in gliding when I was
> 13 years old.
> But now I'm looking for something else to watch.
> Any thoughts?
>
>
>
> Malcolm Morrison
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> http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Arrow Fest Time Off |
Today will be my last build day, for a few days, to enjoy Christmas. I will be
back at my build fest either Tuesday or Wednesday...by then, I should have a
couple more pictures as well.
Merry Christmas all!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols and Movies |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Really liked the Spirit of St. Louis with Jimmy Stewart. Top Gun is reliably inspirational
(my first date, the girl had to drive because I was too young).
I haven't seen the Great Waldo Pepper but hinted a lot so I hope it is beneath
the tree tomorrow.
My all time favorite for the American flying enthusiast, The Right Stuff. I could
watch it over and over again.
Merry Christmas all.
Tom
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| From: | "regchief" <kbosley(at)comcast.net> |
But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up
with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk,
and not faint.
A very merry Christmas to all!!
Kelly
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols and Movies |
| From: | "Paul N. Peckham" <peckham9(at)countryspeed.com> |
Two of my favorites are the often mentioned The Great Waldo Pepper, and the rarely
mentioned High Road to China, starring Tom Selleck and 2 very ratty looking
Stampe biplanes.
Paul
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols and Movies |
Birds of Prey, David Janssen. Round wing stuff. Not a great plot, but some groundbreaking
aerial stunts that hadn't been tried before (at the time - 1973). Maybe
Cloud Dancer, also.
While we're on this, what happened to Red Betsy? I've looked for it off and on
for years, but it's like the people holding the rights have eradicated it from
public access.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: tools <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 23, 2011 11:06 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpols and Movies
>
>
>My favorites for good flying scenes not already mentioned:
>
>Air America
>Always
>Top Gun
>
>These days you could probably find the NBC series Ba Ba Black Sheep.
>
>Tools
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361579#361579
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| Subject: | Tire size again and shock cord fastener |
| From: | John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com> |
I asked a few days ago about using 15 inch tires on 6 in rims--most said to
stay 600-6 which are about 16 jnch.
My plans actually call for 19 inch, I have a pair of 800-6 that are about
18 inch. Any thought?
Second thought, my plans call for 5/8 inch bungee cable..I would like to
use those metal shock cord fasteners but i cannot find anything bigger than
1/2 inch. Again, any thoughts here.
I have been flying for over 40 years, but am a new time taildragger--would
like to have as few surprises as possible
--
John Kuhfahl
President
KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
| From: | Gmail <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
It's my understanding phosphoric acid is widely used in the auto manufacturi
ng industry as well as many other industries. Where would one source phospho
ric acid for paint prep?
Greg Bacon
On Dec 23, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Doug Dever wrote:
> The old ZInc Chromate primer contained lead. This is no longer true. If y
ou use a "self etching primer" make sure it containes zinc tetroxychromate o
therwise it contains not anti corrosive qualities. I have found that rust w
ill come right through self etching primer in just a few days unless the ste
el is etched with phosphoric acid. IMHO "self etching primer isn't worth mu
ch. The best procedure would be to etch with phosporic acid then prime with
an epoxy zinc chromate. Just my .02
>
> Doug Dever
> In beautiful Stow Ohio
>
>
> > From: bed(at)mindspring.com
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer
> > Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:56:51 -0500
> >
> >
> > I don't think you can buy REAL zinc chromate primer any longer thanks to
the
> > EPA. Maybe Chromium is a toxic heavy metal? The "new" stuff seems to be n
o
> > better than weak green paint.
> > Jack Phillips has the correct answer, just use a self-etching epoxy prim
er
> > available at any auto paint store. The brand we use is Variprime. It wor
ks
> > great and gives great "tooth" for the topcoat to stick to.
> > Barry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > tdudley(at)umn.edu
> > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:05 PM
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer
> >
> > -->
> >
> > Like a few others on the list I've got a few holiday "days" off. I'm goi
ng
> > to weld my wing cabane fittings and want to get them primed.
> >
> > I know Bingelis says zinc chromate for priming the metal. I've found it
> > available at Aircraft Spruce and Wicks, but was wondering if it was an i
tem
> > I might find (or substitute) locally. I live in a small town but it has 3
> > autobody shops that have auto metal primers, but the ones I've seen don'
t
> > have zinc chromate as an ingredient.
> >
> > Is it okay to use a metal primer (such as for autos) that doesn't have z
inc
> > chromate (or phosphate) as a component? Or is this something I need to
> > order from an aircraft supply company (like I've done for all wood, meta
ls,
> > glues, bolts, cables, etc.)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361513#361513
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols and Movies |
| From: | mike Hardaway <bkemike(at)gmail.com> |
My two favorite scenes of the kind of flying we're likely to do in
Pietenpols come from
Out of Africa
and
Never Cry Wolf
Mike Hardaway
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| From: | Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols and Movies |
The Blue Max
________________________________
From: mike Hardaway <bkemike(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpols and Movies
My two favorite scenes of the kind of flying we're likely to do in Pietenpols come
from
Out of Africa
and
Never Cry Wolf
Mike Hardaway
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Pietenpols and movies |
Another great movie is "Second Hand Lions" not really a flying movie but
the opening and closing scenes are worth it.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols and movies |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
"Fly Away Home" with Jeff Daniels is very good from a grass roots flying
standpoint. It's also good from a homebuilt aviation standpoint. It'll
make you cry!!
Greg Bacon
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Dick N wrote:
> **
> Another great movie is "Second Hand Lions" not really a flying movie but
> the opening and closing scenes are worth it.
> Dick N.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Greg Bacon
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
Greg=2C
It's becoming harder to find with the advent of the self etching primers.
Some autobody suppliers still carry it. Believe it or not Home Depot carri
es it. The trade name is Must For Rust made by Krud Kutter. You can also
order it through most Ace hardware stores and avoid shipping charges. Very
few of the Ace stores stock it=2C but they carry the Krud Kutter brand.
Use it full strength as it's already reduced. We often use Naval Jelly for
rust removal on vertical surfaces=2C but I'm not sure if the thickening ag
ent in it affects adhesion. Hope this helps.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer
From: gbacon67(at)gmail.com
Date: Sat=2C 24 Dec 2011 12:09:37 -0600
It's my understanding phosphoric acid is widely used in the auto manufactur
ing industry as well as many other industries. Where would one source phosp
horic acid for paint prep?
Greg Bacon
On Dec 23=2C 2011=2C at 6:45 PM=2C Doug Dever
wrote:
The old ZInc Chromate primer contained lead. This is no longer true. If y
ou use a "self etching primer" make sure it containes zinc tetroxychromate
otherwise it contains not anti corrosive qualities. I have found that rust
will come right through self etching primer in just a few days unless the
steel is etched with phosphoric acid. IMHO "self etching primer isn't wort
h much. The best procedure would be to etch with phosporic acid then prime
with an epoxy zinc chromate. Just my .02
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> From: bed(at)mindspring.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer
> Date: Fri=2C 23 Dec 2011 12:56:51 -0500
>
>
> I don't think you can buy REAL zinc chromate primer any longer thanks to
the
> EPA. Maybe Chromium is a toxic heavy metal? The "new" stuff seems to be n
o
> better than weak green paint.
> Jack Phillips has the correct answer=2C just use a self-etching epoxy pri
mer
> available at any auto paint store. The brand we use is Variprime. It work
s
> great and gives great "tooth" for the topcoat to stick to.
> Barry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> tdudley(at)umn.edu
> Sent: Thursday=2C December 22=2C 2011 10:05 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer
>
> -->
>
> Like a few others on the list I've got a few holiday "days" off. I'm goin
g
> to weld my wing cabane fittings and want to get them primed.
>
> I know Bingelis says zinc chromate for priming the metal. I've found it
> available at Aircraft Spruce and Wicks=2C but was wondering if it was an
item
> I might find (or substitute) locally. I live in a small town but it has 3
> autobody shops that have auto metal primers=2C but the ones I've seen don
't
> have zinc chromate as an ingredient.
>
> Is it okay to use a metal primer (such as for autos) that doesn't have zi
nc
> chromate (or phosphate) as a component? Or is this something I need to
> order from an aircraft supply company (like I've done for all wood=2C met
als=2C
> glues=2C bolts=2C cables=2C etc.)
>
> Thanks=2C
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com> |
Try any local paint store. I bought a gallon here in Texas at either
Kelly-Moore or Sherwin Williams years ago for $8. People commonly use
it to etch their iron fences, etc. here before painting. In fact,
that is what I did with most of it. Brush it on, or carefully use a
little hand squeeze sprayer. Clean up well around kids or pets.
Merry Christmas to all,
Tim in central TX
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
John wrote-
>I asked a few days ago about using 15 inch tires on 6 in rims--
>most said to stay 600-6 which are about 16 inch. My plans actually
>call for 19 inch, I have a pair of 800-6 that are about 18 inch.
>Any thought?
John, one of the posts in response to yours was a reference to the
Carlisle "Turf Glide" tires, 8.00x6, which have an outside diameter
of close to 18". Info here:
http://www.carlisletire.com/products/golf_gliders/turfglide/index.html
These are the tires that are recommended for use on the airplane
that I'm building, the Flying Squirrel. Quite a few other light sport
and ultralight aircraft use these. I only have two concerns with them:
(1) the catalog shows them rated for golf carts and utility ATVs, which
are certainly not going to be running at anything like our landing
speeds of 55-60 MPH, and (2) load rating is 420 lbs., which means a
pair of them should be good for 840 lbs., and we fly our airplanes at
up to 1100 lbs. gross weight. They will see more load than that on
a good firm landing or a bounce.
Granted, the manufacturer rates them conservatively for purposes of
lawsuit avoidance, so they are probably just fine for this duty. The
proof would be to mount them and go fly. At least one post in reply
to your question was from a guy who has been flying with these tires
for a good amount of time.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Okay, so this doesn't directly address the issue of metal primer,
but it may be that if you use some of these metal treatments, you
may decide not to put any other finish on them. Besides the Naval
Jelly phosphate treatment, there are things like rust bluing and
cold bluing that may be of interest.
The one that I have used and like pretty well in locations where
the part will not be visible (or where you want the zinc chromate
look) is green rebar epoxy. There are several manufacturers,
Krylon is one, but the one I've used is Aervoe. I just did a quick
search and places like toolauthority.com have it for $6.25 for a
16 oz. spray can.
I don't think it is intended as a primer, since it has a fairly
smooth cured surface.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols and Movies |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
"The War Lover"... circa 1962 I think. Steve McQeen... no fake cardboard cockpits...very
realistic
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Rotating wing mechanism |
Well, they say, "Laziness is the Mother of Invention." They don't say that?
Well..they should! I definitely did not want to crawl under my wing every
time the need arose, so I came up with this simple contraption..
Let me know if you want any more pics or descriptions..
Merry Christmas
Gary from Cool
NX308MB
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| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
I used 500X5 Cleveland wheels and brakes on my Piet. They're a bit smaller
but I've had no problems on any grass strip I've landed on and they're a
bit lighter than the 600X6s. I know they probably don't look as 'authentic'
as the larger wheels but the price was right at the time and the weight
saving was a consideration to me.
Matt Paxton
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotating wing mechanism |
Looking good Gary Fom Cool!- You should be flying that thing before next
winter.- Kep up the good work.- Hope to see you at Brodhead 2013.
-
Shad
-
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| From: | santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar> |
| Subject: | Pietenpols and Movies |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSzI1yKPxhU-=0A
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotating wing mechanism |
Gary that wing looks so good; it would be really neat to just put on clear so yodu
could see all that woodwork it tooks so long to do.
I'm working on the front tank now; it is small probably about 3 to 4 gallons.
Jim B.
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2012 Ohio Piet Fly-in |
--- On Mon, 12/26/11, shad bell wrote:
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 2012 Ohio Piet Fly-in
Date: Monday, December 26, 2011, 12:31 PM
Hello Group, Just wondering if there is any interest in a Piet Fly-in here
in Ohio.- This would be the 3rd time I hosted one, but the turn out has n
ot been great the past couple years.- Last year was a wash due to weather
, and possibly hosting it on Fathers Day weekend.- I am thinking of movin
g it back in the year a little to get more stable summer weather vs the unp
redictable spring patterns.- I am looking at hosting a fly-in with my nei
ghbor regardless.- If any of you have any input let me know, I am trying
to plan it when it won't interfere with other big fly-ins, events.- I kno
w of at least 4 piets within 1-2 hr flight time, and it would be an easy sh
ake down cruise to prep for brodhead.
-
Let MeKnow,
-
Shad
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| Subject: | Greetings and a blog about Piet's |
| From: | "Jon Ferguson" <jon.m.ferguson(at)uscg.mil> |
Hello,
A little bird told me you guys might enjoy my blog about pietenpol's.
http://writingsofjon.blogspot.com/2011/12/aviation-god-bless-pietenpol.html
Enjoy!
Jon
P.S. the occasional ad click is greatly appreciated.
--------
http://writingsofjon.blogspot.com/
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361758#361758
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Landing Gear Question - Heighth |
Hope everyone had a great Christmas! I=92m building the split gear,
long
fuselage with brakes. The archives suggest (Bill Rewey) moving the gear
forward 3 inches. The plans call for the Vees to be 22 =BC=94 long with
19=94
wheels. My wheels are 25=94. I assume I don=92t shorten them by 6=94
because
they exit the fuselage at about 45 degrees. Can anyone assist here?
Thanks!
DSM
NX1929T
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Question - Heighth |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Jack I just went out to the hangar to look at my drawing to be sure of the measurement.
On the original fuselage drawing in the upper right hand is the dimension
51" tall to the top of the top longeron with the longeron level. That is
what I used to make my landing gear. My tires are 26" diameter(21" rims). I think
that is what B H Pietenpol had in mind.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C 2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361787#361787
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Question - Heighth |
Thanks for checking Jerry, that will be a good reference point. Not being a
geometry guy, any idea on the amount to shorten the vees because of the
"squat" of the gear? It can't amount to much.
Thanks!
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear Question - Heighth
Jack I just went out to the hangar to look at my drawing to be sure of the
measurement. On the original fuselage drawing in the upper right hand is the
dimension 51" tall to the top of the top longeron with the longeron level.
That is what I used to make my landing gear. My tires are 26" diameter(21"
rims). I think that is what B H Pietenpol had in mind.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C 2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361787#361787
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: 2012 Ohio Piet Fly-in |
Shad
I'm always up for a fly-in. I will not have my Piet ready for this season so hopefully
a Titan Tornado would still be welcome. I plan to fly the Titan to Brodhead
and Oshkosh in 2012 and as you say, it would be a good shake down cruise.
Fathers Day is a tough one due to family commitments, but other weekends might
work. This past year was really bad, weather wise that is, for fly-ins here
on PA.
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:42:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2012 Ohio Piet Fly-in
--- On Mon, 12/26/11, shad bell wrote:
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 2012 Ohio Piet Fly-in
Date: Monday, December 26, 2011, 12:31 PM
Hello Group, Just wondering if there is any interest in a Piet Fly-in here in Ohio.
This would be the 3rd time I hosted one, but the turn out has not been great
the past couple years. Last year was a wash due to weather, and possibly hosting
it on Fathers Day weekend. I am thinking of moving it back in the year
a little to get more stable summer weather vs the unpredictable spring patterns.
I am looking at hosting a fly-in with my neighbor regardless. If any of you
have any input let me know, I am trying to plan it when it won't interfere with
other big fly-ins, events. I know of at least 4 piets within 1-2 hr flight
time, and it would be an easy shake down cruise to prep for brodhead.
Let MeKnow,
Shad
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Amazing flight videoCheck out this video. It is one of the best I've
seen.
Dick N.
NOTICE THE "DUST OFF" ON THE HELO!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU1oB8sGyYM
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Landing Gear Question - Heighth |
Jack,
Someone else would have a mathematical formula, for sure, but why not
just
prop up your fuselage on a saw horse, set the deck angle how you want
it,
then place the wheels and measure the legs?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear Question - Heighth
Hope everyone had a great Christmas! I=92m building the split gear,
long
fuselage with brakes. The archives suggest (Bill Rewey) moving the gear
forward 3 inches. The plans call for the Vees to be 22 =BC=94 long with
19=94
wheels. My wheels are 25=94. I assume I don=92t shorten them by 6=94
because
they exit the fuselage at about 45 degrees. Can anyone assist here?
Thanks!
DSM
NX1929T
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 2012 Ohio Piet Fly-in |
| From: | steve emo <steve.emo58(at)gmail.com> |
Shad as long as old man weather is good count me in, but I could be
overruled by the boss.
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 8:04 PM, wrote:
> Shad
>
> I'm always up for a fly-in. I will not have my Piet ready for this season
> so hopefully a Titan Tornado would still be welcome. I plan to fly the
> Titan to Brodhead and Oshkosh in 2012 and as you say, it would be a good
> shake down cruise. Fathers Day is a tough one due to family commitments,
> but other weekends might work. This past year was really bad, weather wise
> that is, for fly-ins here on PA.
>
> Malcolm Morrison
> http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"shad bell" <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
> *To: *pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:42:17 PM
> *Subject: *Pietenpol-List: Re: 2012 Ohio Piet Fly-in
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 12/26/11, shad bell * wrote:
>
>
> From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: 2012 Ohio Piet Fly-in
> Date: Monday, December 26, 2011, 12:31 PM
>
> Hello Group, Just wondering if there is any interest in a Piet Fly-in
> here in Ohio. This would be the 3rd time I hosted one, but the turn out
> has not been great the past couple years. Last year was a wash due to
> weather, and possibly hosting it on Fathers Day weekend. I am thinking of
> moving it back in the year a little to get more stable summer weather vs
> the unpredictable spring patterns. I am looking at hosting a fly-in with
> my neighbor regardless. If any of you have any input let me know, I am
> trying to plan it when it won't interfere with other big fly-ins, events.
> I know of at least 4 piets within 1-2 hr flight time, and it would be an
> easy shake down cruise to prep for brodhead.
>
> Let MeKnow,
>
> Shad
>
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| From: | "H. Marvin Haught" <handainc(at)madisoncounty.net> |
| Subject: | Stewart System Clean up prior to paint |
Just a heads up for those of you using or going to use Stewart system
products in your covering and painting of your project. We are now
using isopropyl alcohol for the final clean up and prep prior to paint,
and in between the spray coats of EkoFill. The protocol is to first
wipe and blow the part with a virgin terry cloth towel and filtered air.
Then move to the clean room where you use a good waterborne tack cloth
like the Gerson dry tack cloth to remove the fine particles remaining.
Then, with a lint free synthetic wipe, dampened with isopropyl alcohol,
gently wipe down the part. The alcohol helps as an antistatic agent to
stop the static cling, dries quickly and helps remove the very last
particles. Look over the part in strong light, and if needed, wipe down
again lightly with the Gerson tack cloth.
I have had a problem with residual particles in my paint surface, no
matter how much I clean my booth and paint surfaces. This seems to
solve the problem as static electricity was drawing particles back the
the surface.
I buy from WalMart - the local pharmacy special ordered gallon jugs for
me of 98% Isoprophyl at $38 per gallon.
M. Haught
aircraftfinishes(at)gmail.com
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| Subject: | Where have the Models Gone? |
| From: | "Jon Ferguson" <jon.m.ferguson(at)uscg.mil> |
http://writingsofjon.blogspot.com/2011/12/aviation-where-have-models-gone.html
Enjoy!
Jon
P.S. The occasional ad click is always greatly appreciated.
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2012 Ohio Piet Fly-in |
Sounds good Steve, if I can get at least 3-4 or more "commited " piets(or o
ther types as well) I will proceede with planning.
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Shad
--- On Wed, 12/28/11, steve emo wrote:
From: steve emo <steve.emo58(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2012 Ohio Piet Fly-in
Date: Wednesday, December 28, 2011, 7:22 AM
Shad as long as old man weather is good count me in, but I could be overrul
ed by the boss.-
On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 8:04 PM, wrote:
Shad
I'm always up for a fly-in.- I will not have my Piet ready for this seaso
n so hopefully a Titan Tornado would still be welcome.- I plan to fly the
Titan to Brodhead and Oshkosh in 2012 and as you say, it would be a good s
hake down cruise.- Fathers Day is a tough one due to family commitments,
but other weekends might work.- This past year was really bad, weather wi
se that is, for fly-ins here on PA.
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:42:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2012 Ohio Piet Fly-in
--- On Mon, 12/26/11, shad bell wrote:
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 2012 Ohio Piet Fly-in
Date: Monday, December 26, 2011, 12:31 PM
Hello Group, Just wondering if there is any interest in a Piet Fly-in here
in Ohio.- This would be the 3rd time I hosted one, but the turn out has n
ot been great the past couple years.- Last year was a wash due to weather
, and possibly hosting it on Fathers Day weekend.- I am thinking of movin
g it back in the year a little to get more stable summer weather vs the unp
redictable spring patterns.- I am looking at hosting a fly-in with my nei
ghbor regardless.- If any of you have any input let me know, I am trying
to plan it when it won't interfere with other big fly-ins, events.- I kno
w of at least 4 piets within 1-2 hr flight time, and it would be an easy sh
ake down cruise to prep for brodhead.
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Let MeKnow,
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols and Movies |
Here's a little something you might like:
http://www.cbc.ca/video/player.html?clipid=2179622316&site=cbc.news.c
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| From: | "H. Marvin Haught" <handainc(at)madisoncounty.net> |
| Subject: | Stewart system Clean up prior to Paint |
Just a heads up for those of you using or going to use Stewart system
products in your covering and painting of your project. We are now
using isopropyl alcohol for the final clean up and prep prior to paint,
and in between the spray coats of EkoFill. The protocol is to first
wipe and blow the part with a virgin terry cloth towel and filtered air.
Then move to the clean room where you use a good waterborne tack cloth
like the Gerson dry tack cloth to remove the fine particles remaining.
Then, with a lint free synthetic wipe, dampened with isopropyl alcohol,
gently wipe down the part. The alcohol helps as an antistatic agent to
stop the static cling, dries quickly and helps remove the very last
particles. Look over the part in strong light, and if needed, wipe down
again lightly with the Gerson tack cloth.
I have had a problem with residual particles in my paint surface, no
matter how much I clean my booth and paint surfaces. This seems to
solve the problem as static electricity was drawing particles back the
the surface.
M. Haught
aircraftfinishes(at)gmail.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Stewart System Clean up prior to paint |
Great timing Marvin. I am starting some covering now and was curious how to clean
prior to paint. Thanks!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "H.Marvin Haught" <handainc(at)madisoncounty.net> |
| Subject: | Dealing with pinks |
Another tip for aircraft covering -
One of my customers called a day or so ago and was having trouble getting the pinked
edges of his tapes to iron down flat. When you finish applying your tapes,
be sure to go back with a medium hot iron (not hot enough to shrink the
tape) and iron down all of the pinked edges prior to applying your first coat
of filler / UV block. In the Stewart System, that product is call EkoFill. Then
after you have your first cross coat of EkoFill applied to the surface, iron
those edges down again using a piece of teflon to keep the EkoFill from transfering
to your iron and smearing on the tapes. If you can't find teflon, buy
a box of turkey basting bags (plastic bags used to cook a turkey in the oven)
at your local grocery or Wal Mart. Cut a piece of the bag out to used as a
shield as you iron the pinks flat. You can do this all the way up to prepping
to apply the topcoat. Detail work is what makes for an attractive covering job!
M. Haught
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| Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
| From: | Ed Smith <lesmith240(at)gmail.com> |
A balsa fuse/foam wing kit. Saves the frustration of all those fiddly wing
ribs, but teaches the basics of balsa construction.
http://www.mountainmodels.com/product_info.php?products_id=223
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 2:03 PM, K5YAC wrote:
>
> He also wanted an R/C airplane... I was initially opposed to getting
> him an RTF (Ready To Fly for those unfamiliar)... I wanted him to learn to
> build before he was allowed to fly, but at 7 he just doesn't have the skill
> or knowledge required to build from a kit. He is really good on the
> simulator and he is INTERESTED in the hobby, so I hate to discourage him or
> miss out on this window of opportunity. My hope is that through plastic
> models, !
> model rockets, etc. that he will progress to a simple kit trainer and
> beyond, much like I did. My first airplane didn't fly well (or for very
> long), but I learned a ton.
>
--
"The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be
capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety
labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" (anon)
Boones Mill, VA
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| Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Bryan, I'm sure that my brush seems somewhat broad, but I really didn't mean to
suggest that ALL parents are lazy or unwilling to work with their kids. In addition
to that, I have been very fortunate that my wife and son have taken an
interest in my hobby, which makes it much easier for me to enjoy AND teach.
I do often times have to tell my son to get off the video games when he's been
on too long, but I also know of kids who are allowed to disappear to their rooms
for hours on end to play their video games, and the parents are fine with
that as long as it doesn't disturb what THEY want to do.
Good for you for threatening to throw them out. Ha! My son prefers to see what
is going on up front during an airplane ride... he seems to be soaking all this
stuff up. He's never even asked for a portable game... again, I guess I'm
lucky, or perhaps he just knows that I'm not likely to get him one.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
bkemike(at)gmail.com wrote:
> A different experience was watching Jim Markle's 11 year old son get his first
ride at Brodhead this year. I have never seen anyone so completely stoked on
flying after having been reluctant to fly at all. You could have read a book
by the light from his face after he landed.
>
> Mike Hardaway
That is a fact Mike. Ol Ben was indeed stoked!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
HONK..if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo! Stitches only,
excluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40 minutes. That wasn't so
bad, considering that I have 10 times that much in my cowling.or 5 times
that much in the wind screens!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
| From: | Dave Nielsen <sentuchows(at)aol.com> |
Hey man, nice picture, good job. HONK HONK
"Bat Cave" Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2011 5:58 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching
HONK.if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo! Stitc
hes only, excluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40 minutes. That w
asn=99t so bad, considering that I have 10 times that much in my cowl
ingor 5 times that much in the wind screens!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
I am impressed Gary. I'm sure that it will take me 5 times longer than that
. =0APlus hours just thinking about it. Cheers and happy newyear, Gardiner
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Gary Boothe <gbo
othe5(at)comcast.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, December
29, 2011 5:55:57 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching=0A=0A=0AHONK
.if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo! Stitches
only, =0Aexcluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40 minutes. That wa
sn=99t so bad, =0Aconsidering that I have 10 times that much in my co
wlingor 5 times that much in =0Athe wind screens!=0A =0A =0AGary B
oothe=0ANX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: Floorboards and rudder pedals... |
| From: | "miyer2u" <miyer2u(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello Hans,
I am building an Avid Flyer and wanted to check the place you sourced your floor
board? I wanted to install a wood grain floor board pattern for my aircraft,
just like yours!
Your pictures look good! Thanks!
Mahesh
Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
That sounds very similar to my experience. The wing rotator helps alot. I ha
d a similar setup. After a few ribs i figured out how much cord it took to d
o the whole rib with one piece. Lots more fun than i thought it would be
Ben Charvet
NX966BC
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:55 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
> HONK.if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo! Stit
ches only, excluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40 minutes. That w
asn=99t so bad, considering that I have 10 times that much in my cowli
ngor 5 times that much in the wind screens!
>
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
Awesome Gary... I had my dad to pass the needle back to me so I didn't have
to do it alone but I can imagine the amount of extra work involved.=C2-
Great job.=C2-=C2- So ... just one more to go?=C2- I spent a little t
ime finishing my radio installation today.=C2- Now I can put on the leath
er helmet my wife got me for Christmas and talk on the radio!=C2- Tomorro
w I'll work on my final wing's fabric work.=C2- I've gotta get working or
you'll fly before me!=0A=0AMike Groah=0ATulare CA=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________
___________________=0A From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: "piet
enpol-list(at)matronics.com" =0ASent: Thursday,
December 29, 2011 4:29 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching=0A
=0A=0AThat sounds very similar to my experience. The wing rotator helps alo
t. I had a similar setup. After a few ribs i figured out how much cord it t
ook to do the whole rib with one piece. Lots more fun than i thought it wou
ld be=0A=0ABen Charvet=0ANX966BC=0A=0A=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn Dec
29, 2011, at 5:55 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:=0A=0A=0A
HONK.if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo! Stitc
hes only, excluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40 minutes. That w
asn=99t so bad, considering that I have 10 times that much in my cowl
ingor 5 times that much in the wind screens!=0A>=C2-=0A>| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
I did mine laying flat, without a wing rotator. Took about 12 hours per
wing, which is a lot of trips under the wing. My back was sore for weeks.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching
That sounds very similar to my experience. The wing rotator helps alot. I
had a similar setup. After a few ribs i figured out how much cord it took to
do the whole rib with one piece. Lots more fun than i thought it would be
Ben Charvet
NX966BC
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:55 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
HONK..if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo! Stitches only,
excluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40 minutes. That wasn't so
bad, considering that I have 10 times that much in my cowling.or 5 times
that much in the wind screens!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
5 arm stretches per rib. 4 for the short ones.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
Charvet
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching
That sounds very similar to my experience. The wing rotator helps alot.
I had a similar setup. After a few ribs i figured out how much cord it
took to do the whole rib with one piece. Lots more fun than i thought it
would be
Ben Charvet
NX966BC
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:55 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
HONK.if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo!
Stitches only, excluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40
minutes. That wasn=99t so bad, considering that I have 10 times
that much in my cowlingor 5 times that much in the wind
screens!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
I'm really glad you are getting all this valuable experience Gary. Its looking
really good and I just have to find out the right bribe to get you and Ryan to
stop by for a weekend or two!!!
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
Mike what is with this radio installation in a Piet? You are supposed to know what
green and red lights are for.
Where are the pictures?
Say Hi to Vic.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Awesome Gary... you are really getting it together!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Just say the Word, Jim!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Boyer
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching
I'm really glad you are getting all this valuable experience Gary. Its
looking really good and I just have to find out the right bribe to get
you and Ryan to stop by for a weekend or two!!!
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Anybody ever encountered this stuff?
http://www.seafoamsales.com/
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| Subject: | RE: Rib stiching |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Gary you are fast. Took me two hours to figure out how to tie the knot. Th
en inevitably there are ribs and structure in the way in certain places. Lo
oks great!!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| From: | "Mark Stanley" <mmrally(at)nifty.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
Hi Pieters,
The model situation in Japan is the same.
If you go to a one stop shop/ plaza place, 99% of the plastic models
available are of characters from japanese 'manga' (comic books), with
aircraft, ships etc being a very rare find.
There are however still stores dedicated to scale plastic models and they do
supply a wide range of kits.
As far as flying models go, the old fashioned model shop is hard to find and
most of the newer generation ones mostly stock ARF/RTF models . I go to one
old shop in a small town owned and run by a very old couple to get my balsa
supplies and stuff.
Model fields are also being shutdown mainly due to urban swelling so that
makes things harder as well.
I am lucky enough to be able to use a site that dosn't bother people too
much.
During October this year (2011) I took my R/C Piet out for it's 10th year
anniversary flight. The morning was perfect, no wind and silky smooth air.
Took a quick shot after the flight (it was 5.42 a.m.). This is a modified
kit model, all balsa and loads of fun to fly (slow &
relaxing)......hopefully I can sit in my 'other Piet' and fly it on it's 10
anniversary....someday!
Cheers!
Mark S
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| From: | "H. Marvin Haught" <handainc(at)madisoncounty.net> |
I am a total believer in the stuff! I usually buy auto fuel when prices
are good and store it in 2 55 gallon barrels. I treat the fuel with Sea
Foam. I had an 18 hp Lawnmower that started running quite badly with
sticking valves. My neighbor caught me just as I was laying everything
out to pull the head, asking if I had tried Sea Foam. Ran to the store,
got a can, poured it in the fuel. In about 5 minutes running time, the
engine smoothed out and has run fine ever since. And that's been about
2 years. My Pacer has a 125 Lyc and the typical carburetor. Every time
I run Aviation gas in it, the needle valve sticks. Coming back from
Oshkosh, the valve stuck, causing a run rich condition. When I got
home, I poured in a bottle of Sea Foam. Again five minutes of running
time and the mixture worked fine. Sea Foam is good stuff - equal to
Marvel Mystery oil.
M. Haught
On Dec 30, 2011, at 2:05 AM, Clif Dawson wrote:
> Anybody ever encountered this stuff?
>
>
> http://www.seafoamsales.com/
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Floorboards and rudder pedals... |
| From: | Hans Van Der Voort <hvandervoo(at)aol.com> |
Mahesh,
Those picture are from Jake Schultz, steel tube Pietenpol.
I believe they are 1/4" Mahogany Plywood.
Regards
Hans
NX 15KV
Waller,TX
-----Original Message-----
From: miyer2u <miyer2u(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2011 5:58 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Floorboards and rudder pedals...
Hello Hans,
am building an Avid Flyer and wanted to check the place you sourced your f
loor
oard? I wanted to install a wood grain floor board pattern for my aircraft
,
ust like yours!
Your pictures look good! Thanks!
Mahesh
tah
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| Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
| From: | "bradandlinda tds.net" <bradandlinda(at)tds.net> |
Mike, Nice looking model. I like the Model A and radiator. Its amazing
you've flown it for ten years. What type of engine do you have in it?
Brad Williams NX29NX
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Mark Stanley wrote:
> Hi Pieters,
>
> The model situation in Japan is the same.
> If you go to a one stop shop/ plaza place, 99% of the plastic models
> available are of characters from japanese 'manga' (comic books), with
> aircraft, ships etc being a very rare find.
> There are however still stores dedicated to scale plastic models and they
> do supply a wide range of kits.
> As far as flying models go, the old fashioned model shop is hard to find
> and most of the newer generation ones mostly stock ARF/RTF models . I go to
> one old shop in a small town owned and run by a very old couple to get my
> balsa supplies and stuff.
> Model fields are also being shutdown mainly due to urban swelling so that
> makes things harder as well.
> I am lucky enough to be able to use a site that dosn't bother people too
> much.
> During October this year (2011) I took my R/C Piet out for it's 10th year
> anniversary flight. The morning was perfect, no wind and silky smooth air.
> Took a quick shot after the flight (it was 5.42 a.m.). This is a modified
> kit model, all balsa and loads of fun to fly (slow &
> relaxing)......hopefully I can sit in my 'other Piet' and fly it on it's 10
> anniversary....someday!
>
> Cheers!
> Mark S
>
>
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| From: | "Mark Stanley" <mmrally(at)nifty.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
Hi Brad,
Thanks for the comments on the model. I too like the Model A and
radiator. They are fairly roughly fashioned to look like the real thing
and I am always amazed when people (non-modellers) think the model A
actually runs, it gives me a smile.
The model was origionally designed for a Cox .049, but I modified it to
take a =98Speed 400=99 electric motor with gear reduction to
run an 8x4 prop. The electric motor allows me to fly it in a few more
areas and not annoy anybody with the noise.
It is really a little underpowered but I like to think it is how the
full size would fly with a Model A up front, so I don=99t mind.
If I ever get the full size Piet finished, I would like a Model A in it
as well, love the look!
Cheers
Mark S
From: bradandlinda tds.net
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where have the Models Gone?
Mike, Nice looking model. I like the Model A and radiator. Its
amazing you've flown it for ten years. What type of engine do you have
in it? Brad Williams NX29NX
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| From: | "bradandlinda tds.net" <bradandlinda(at)tds.net> |
Fantastic stuff. I have a friend with 2 real old tractors that were
running real rough. He was getting ready to overhaul the engines when I
told him about Sea Foam, and after a short running time they smoothed out.
He calls it "tune-up" in a can. I believe it also prevents varnishing in
stored gas/engines. Brad Williams NX29NX
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:52 AM, H. Marvin Haught <
handainc(at)madisoncounty.net> wrote:
> I am a total believer in the stuff! I usually buy auto fuel when prices
> are good and store it in 2 55 gallon barrels. I treat the fuel with Sea
> Foam. I had an 18 hp Lawnmower that started running quite badly with
> sticking valves. My neighbor caught me just as I was laying everything out
> to pull the head, asking if I had tried Sea Foam. Ran to the store, got a
> can, poured it in the fuel. In about 5 minutes running time, the engine
> smoothed out and has run fine ever since. And that's been about 2 years.
> My Pacer has a 125 Lyc and the typical carburetor. Every time I run
> Aviation gas in it, the needle valve sticks. Coming back from Oshkosh, the
> valve stuck, causing a run rich condition. When I got home, I poured in a
> bottle of Sea Foam. Again five minutes of running time and the mixture
> worked fine. Sea Foam is good stuff - equal to Marvel Mystery oil.
>
> M. Haught
> On Dec 30, 2011, at 2:05 AM, Clif Dawson wrote:
>
> Anybody ever encountered this stuff?
>
>
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Bronze-Brass Bearings |
Happy New Year Friends! Awhile back I had questions regarding "oiled"
bearings. I've had trouble locating these in the correct size. I don't
mind turning down the outside of the material for a fit but hesitate turning
the inside because if not done correctly it can impair the oil properties of
the bearings. My question.is anybody flying with plain brass or bronze
bearings?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings |
Jack Where are you using these bearings?=C2-=C2- I am going to use high
density plastic busings for my biplane aileron hinges( 1/4 od, 3/16 id and
1/16 flange thickness)=C2- They are commonly used in industrial applicat
ions, and claimed to have better wear properties than oil-lite bearings/bus
hings.=C2- I found them at igus.com .=C2- Let me knwow what you decide.
=C2- I haven't ordered mine yet but need to get them so I can procede wit
h my aileron cable routing.
=C2-
Shad
--- On Fri, 12/30/11, Jack wrote:
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bronze-Brass Bearings
Date: Friday, December 30, 2011, 11:05 AM
Happy New Year Friends!=C2- Awhile back I had questions regarding
=9Coiled=9D bearings.=C2- I=99ve had trouble locating these i
n the correct size.=C2- I don=99t mind turning down the outside of
the material for a fit but hesitate turning the inside because if not done
correctly it can impair the oil properties of the bearings.=C2- My questi
onis anybody flying with plain brass or bronze bearings?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
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| Subject: | Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
The axels
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 30, 2011, at 10:05 AM, "Jack" wrote:
> Happy New Year Friends! Awhile back I had questions regarding =9Coi
led=9D bearings. I=99ve had trouble locating these in the corre
ct size. I don=99t mind turning down the outside of the material for a
fit but hesitate turning the inside because if not done correctly it can im
pair the oil properties of the bearings. My questionis anybody fly
ing with plain brass or bronze bearings?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
> NX1929T
>
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings |
I guess plastic won't work for those!, Are you using the big spoked wheels?
=C2- I will see if I can find any sources online if you can give me some
specs/sizes.
=C2-
Shad
--- On Fri, 12/30/11, Jack wrote:
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bronze-Brass Bearings
Date: Friday, December 30, 2011, 12:23 PM
The axels
Jack TextorSent from my iPhone
On Dec 30, 2011, at 10:05 AM, "Jack" wrote:
Happy New Year Friends!=C2- Awhile back I had questions regarding
=9Coiled=9D bearings.=C2- I=99ve had trouble locating these i
n the correct size.=C2- I don=99t mind turning down the outside of
the material for a fit but hesitate turning the inside because if not done
correctly it can impair the oil properties of the bearings.=C2- My questi
onis anybody flying with plain brass or bronze bearings?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
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| Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Mark, awesome looking model. The photo looks like a painting!
Wayne, my thoughts exactly. Gotta hold their hands a little, but get them started
early and let them make some mistakes along the way. I gave my son (Tyler)
his first knife last year for Christmas... a little 2" blade Swiss Army knife...
you know, the scissors, knife, tweezers, etc. Good enough to cut a few things,
but hopefully not too much. I told him to be careful because the blade
was sharp... sure enough a little while later I walk back to his room where he
is holding toilet paper around his finger... he just looked at me and said,
"I'm ok". Yep, he was bleeding, but not bad. Enough to know what I meant when
I said, "be careful, it's sharp". Can't even count how many times I've sliced
or poked myself with an exact-o knife. Ha!
Since others are sharing photos, here is one of "Mr. Reliable" as they were calling
him at the launch site. His Estes Hornet lit off on all three attempts and
flew straight and true.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Bronze-Brass Bearings |
Thanks Shad, I did check many including Bunting, National Bronze and
McMaster. Tarbell would machine them for $250 which is too high.
Bunting
sent me a cylinder 1.5 ID and 2.5 OD for $100 but it was =BC =93over
tolerance
and they want a $20 restock fee. I=92m looking for 1.5=94 ID and 2.3125
OD
about 6=94 long. I can turn the OD down but hesitate enlarging the ID.
Thanks again,
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad
bell
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bronze-Brass Bearings
I guess plastic won't work for those!, Are you using the big spoked
wheels?
I will see if I can find any sources online if you can give me some
specs/sizes.
Shad
--- On Fri, 12/30/11, Jack wrote:
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bronze-Brass Bearings
Date: Friday, December 30, 2011, 12:23 PM
The axels
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPhone
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wrote:
Happy New Year Friends! Awhile back I had questions regarding
=93oiled=94
bearings. I=92ve had trouble locating these in the correct size. I
don=92t
mind turning down the outside of the material for a fit but hesitate
turning
the inside because if not done correctly it can impair the oil
properties of
the bearings. My question=85is anybody flying with plain brass or
bronze
bearings?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
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| Subject: | Re: Floorboards and rudder pedals... |
| From: | "regchief" <kbosley(at)comcast.net> |
My plans are in the mail Jake, and I have been considering a steel tube fuselage
for nearly two years now. Post more pics of your progress as you go, as there
is a serious lack of steel tube fuselage construction pics.
Kelly
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| Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
| From: | Ed Smith <lesmith240(at)gmail.com> |
Speaking of the lack of models, looking at the pic of your daughter using
blocks to build a "project" jogged a memory. When was the last time you
saw a set of Tinkertoys or an Erector set in the store? These prompted
several budding engineers a few decades ago. Lego's just don't quite
measure up.
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Wayne Bressler
wrote:
>
>
> My daughter is almost four, and she loves to spend time with me in the
> garage. We have built a beginner level rocket together, and are working on
> a harder one. Even when we don't have a task in mind, she builds her own
> "projects" from my scrap box. Mostly just stacking blocks, but she really
> enjoys it.
>
> Wayne Bressler
> Taildraggers, Inc.
> www.taildraggersinc.com
>
> --
"The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be
capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety
labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" (anon)
Boones Mill, VA
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| Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
My girls insisted I make an AirCamper out of Legos. I only had pics
of the the Continental powered one. The black and yellow one had a
Model A.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Jack,
I have plain bronze bushings in mine. Mainly because it is what I had when I made
my hubs and didn't want to buy the oilite. As long as you have about .003"-.004"
clearance fit and scribe a few lines in the I.D. across the length of
them to hold grease you'll be fine. I have never had any issues with mine. I
probably have somewhere around 600-700 landings and they've always spun fine.
Every annual I take them off and inspect and grease them well. They seem to
be wearing really well.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings |
Thank you so much Don, just what I needed. The tolerance data is most
helpful. When you say scribe, literally? As opposed to milling or filing a
groove?
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 5:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings
Jack,
I have plain bronze bushings in mine. Mainly because it is what I had when
I made my hubs and didn't want to buy the oilite. As long as you have about
.003"-.004" clearance fit and scribe a few lines in the I.D. across the
length of them to hold grease you'll be fine. I have never had any issues
with mine. I probably have somewhere around 600-700 landings and they've
always spun fine. Every annual I take them off and inspect and grease them
well. They seem to be wearing really well.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
| From: | Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com> |
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
On a Beechcraft list there was much discussion of "mechanic in a can" chemicals.
IE Marvel Mystery Oil and Sea Foam.
The general consensus on MMO is either you are a believer or not. Analysis shows
it to be a high quality/grade of 5 weight oil (some say 3 wt) with 20% solvent
(mineral spirits and Naptha), phosphorus and some wintergrean for smell. It
was developed when oil and fuels were varying qualities and often gunked up carbs
and engines.
Seafoam is light hydrocarbon oil, petroleum naphtha, isopropyl alcohol; and water10%.
My experience with both is that they are good for stabilization of fuel and MMO
is good for unsticking valves. I also use it to "Prelube" my cylinders when I
start my engine after long storage. Good for use on old engines that have been
setting (IE old tractors.).
and spray lubricants such as WD40, LPS and Corrosion X.
WD40 was designed for Water Displacement. It is also a marginal lube. can clean
some parts, Rust preventative (marginal) and a penetrating oil.
LPS has different products. I like LPS 2 does what WD40 claims but better, especially
at lubricating.
LPS3 his a heavy Waxy spray that has some lube properties but is really good as
a protective coating.
Corrosion X is an electrician in a spray can. Well OK, It is good a freeing up
electrical components and stopping corrosion. I spray the interior of my 1948
Bonanza with Corrosion X at every annual. I have it leaking out the seams of the
plane.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: "bradandlinda tds.net" <bradandlinda(at)tds.net>
Date: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:39
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: seafoam
> Fantastic stuff. I have a friend with 2 real old tractors that were
> running real rough. He was getting ready to overhaul the engines
> when I
> told him about Sea Foam, and after a short running time they
> smoothed out.
> He calls it "tune-up" in a can. I believe it also prevents
> varnishing in
> stored gas/engines. Brad Williams NX29NX
>
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:52 AM, H. Marvin Haught
wrote:
>
> > I am a total believer in the stuff! I usually buy auto fuel when prices
> > are good and store it in 2 55 gallon barrels. I treat the fuel with Sea
> > Foam. I had an 18 hp Lawnmower that started running quite badly with
> > sticking valves. My neighbor caught me just as I was laying everything out
> > to pull the head, asking if I had tried Sea Foam. Ran to the store, got a
> > can, poured it in the fuel. In about 5 minutes running time, the engine
> > smoothed out and has run fine ever since. And that's been about 2 years.
> > My Pacer has a 125 Lyc and the typical carburetor. Every time I run
> > Aviation gas in it, the needle valve sticks. Coming back from Oshkosh, the
> > valve stuck, causing a run rich condition. When I got home, I poured in a
> > bottle of Sea Foam. Again five minutes of running time and the mixture
> > worked fine. Sea Foam is good stuff - equal to Marvel Mystery oil.
> >
> > M. Haught
> > On Dec 30, 2011, at 2:05 AM, Clif Dawson wrote:
> >
> > Anybody ever encountered this stuff?
> >
> >
> > http://www.seafoamsales.com/
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Floorboards and rudder pedals... |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Howdy... I post photos on the ROTEC site as well as Matronics...
http://www.rotecengines.com/Projects/JakeSchultz.html
but I will also post some more here in a week or so......... you are right that
the plans are not nearly as detailed for the steel version.
I used two layers of 1/8 inch marine plywood and a top layer of "bubinga" veneer....
All laminated together in a jig to follow the curve of the bottom of the
fuselage.
I am working on many, many metal fittings these days, for the control system, the
seat belt attach points, and everywhere else where someting attaches to the
fuselage.
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "Mark Stanley" <mmrally(at)nifty.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
Hi Curt,
Hadn't thought about making a Piet out of Lego, it looks pretty good!
Cheers
Mark S
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From: Piet2112
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 8:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where have the Models Gone?
My girls insisted I make an AirCamper out of Legos. I only had pics
of the the Continental powered one. The black and yellow one had a
Model A.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
I'm CRUSHED! No 'vair powered Piets?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 3:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where have the Models Gone?
My girls insisted I make an AirCamper out of Legos. I only had pics of the
the Continental powered one. The black and yellow one had a Model A.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130624037587&s
sPageName=ADME:B:SS:MOTORS:1123
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
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| Subject: | Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Filing or scribing. As long as you have something there to hold a little grease.
Having the clearance is VERY important. You don't want them to run tight.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Mark Stanley" <mmrally(at)nifty.com> |
Hi Pieters,
It's a bit after 12 midnight here in Japan land.
Just want to wish you all a safe and happy New Year!
Safe Flying (and building)
Cheers
Mark S
Japan
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| Subject: | Netflix for Pilots |
| From: | "Jon Ferguson" <jon.m.ferguson(at)uscg.mil> |
http://writingsofjon.blogspot.com/2011/12/aviation-netflix-for-pilots.html
Enjoy Ya'll.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Operation Arrow Fest Update #2 |
Crew, after taking some time off for Christmas and doing some computer ACM
with a friend a few days, I am back in action.- To date I have the vert.
stab., rudder and both elevators finished. I have one side of the horizonta
l stabilizer done, (I don't have a piece of fabric long enough to do the ot
her side.)--One aileron is covered and ready for stitching.-- I hav
e enough fabric to cover one side of the other aileron, but that will be it
until I purchase more.
-
Once I wrap up the covering that I can do now, I will work on my insignias
and prepare for paint.- Colors have already been chosen and I expect to s
tart laying out/painting the tail pieces Monday or Tuesday.
-
Happy, blessed new year all!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Pre Cover empty weight |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
I have my Piet pre assembled and finally able to get an initial weight. comes in
at 720 empty. from my reading a covering job is about 35-40 lbs, so i am still
hoping to come in under 800 lbs. I plan to use stewarts and 1.7 oz fabric.
It's looking a bit nose heavy, but i am going to wait until the rear is covered,
that should correct some of that.
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| Subject: | Re: Last flight of 2011 |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Wow, how poetic! Was hoping to go flying today, the weather near Chattanooga sounds
the same as yours. However, the plane had a couple landing gear issues
which needed addressing. Good news, got all that fixed and she's a total up bird
for the new year. But it took a while and I had to leave to position myself
for work tomorrow morning.
So my last flight of the year turned out to be about a week ago. Dismal weather
really, dull and gloomy, overcast, cold. But, it turned out to be the first
time in my short Piet history that I left the pattern solo. Just flew around
looking at people and things, did a couple touch and gos at friend's fields nearby.
I was in a rather dull mood before the flight, but was happy and care
free by the end.
This whole genre of flying has REALLY opened my eyes and I'm enjoying it a lot
more than I could have ever imagined.
Happy New Year to all.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Last flight of 2011 |
| From: | "Kenneth M. Heide" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
Does anyone have a the procedure or diagram of how the axel is held in place using
bungee cords; Jenny style gear.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 31, 2011, at 4:52 PM, "tools" wrote:
>
> Wow, how poetic! Was hoping to go flying today, the weather near Chattanooga
sounds the same as yours. However, the plane had a couple landing gear issues
which needed addressing. Good news, got all that fixed and she's a total up
bird for the new year. But it took a while and I had to leave to position myself
for work tomorrow morning.
>
> So my last flight of the year turned out to be about a week ago. Dismal weather
really, dull and gloomy, overcast, cold. But, it turned out to be the first
time in my short Piet history that I left the pattern solo. Just flew around
looking at people and things, did a couple touch and gos at friend's fields
nearby. I was in a rather dull mood before the flight, but was happy and care
free by the end.
>
> This whole genre of flying has REALLY opened my eyes and I'm enjoying it a lot
more than I could have ever imagined.
>
> Happy New Year to all.
>
> Tools
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362149#362149
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Last flight of 2011 |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Happy New Year!!
Report from Loensloe Airfield: Just got back down from a one hour flight
with the Aeronca Sedan. An absolutely gorgeous day down here, in amongst th
e hills and hollers of west Tennessee on the last day of the year- 62 degre
es F, windless, and CAVU. Flew west for about 1/2 an hour to investigate th
e location of a fly-in restaurant I need to go to. Fatty's Diner in Latham,
TN. Latham is so small it doesn't even show up on my Garman 195 GPS. Short
grass strip with wires (with orange balls) at one end. Can't wait to try i
t out.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: tools <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 31, 2011 3:55 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Last flight of 2011
Wow, how poetic! Was hoping to go flying today, the weather near Chattanoo
ga
ounds the same as yours. However, the plane had a couple landing gear issu
es
hich needed addressing. Good news, got all that fixed and she's a total up
ird for the new year. But it took a while and I had to leave to position
yself for work tomorrow morning.
So my last flight of the year turned out to be about a week ago. Dismal we
ather
eally, dull and gloomy, overcast, cold. But, it turned out to be the first
ime in my short Piet history that I left the pattern solo. Just flew aroun
d
ooking at people and things, did a couple touch and gos at friend's fields
earby. I was in a rather dull mood before the flight, but was happy and ca
re
ree by the end.
This whole genre of flying has REALLY opened my eyes and I'm enjoying it a
lot
ore than I could have ever imagined.
Happy New Year to all.
Tools
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Last flight of 2011 |
Here is one way to put the finishing touch on you plane!
http://biggeekdad.com/2011/12/best-airplane-mechanic-ever/
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| Subject: | Re: Floorboards and rudder pedals... |
| From: | "regchief" <kbosley(at)comcast.net> |
Thanks Jake, I enjoyed the pics, and looking forward to more. I see you widened
the fuselage by two inches, is it built to plans, other than that, or did you
make other mods?
Kelly
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| Subject: | Re: 2012 Ohio Piet Fly-in |
| From: | "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com> |
Shad,
My Aircamper is still under construction, but count me in. My Zenith loves grass
strips.
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David Gallagher
601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project: Pietenpol/GN-1
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Last flight of 2011 |
I flew mine for a bit late Friday afternoon. Temperature was 51=B0 and
the
winds were light. I put about 30 minutes on it ' long enough to get
the oil
temp up to about 130, which is about all I ever get it to in the winter.
This was the first time I=92ve been able to fly it since Thanksgiving,
so was
glad to blow the dust off it.
Happy New Year, everyone!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 4:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Last flight of 2011
Wow, how poetic! Was hoping to go flying today, the weather near
Chattanooga sounds the same as yours. However, the plane had a couple
landing gear issues which needed addressing. Good news, got all that
fixed
and she's a total up bird for the new year. But it took a while and I
had
to leave to position myself for work tomorrow morning.
So my last flight of the year turned out to be about a week ago. Dismal
weather really, dull and gloomy, overcast, cold. But, it turned out to
be
the first time in my short Piet history that I left the pattern solo.
Just
flew around looking at people and things, did a couple touch and gos at
friend's fields nearby. I was in a rather dull mood before the flight,
but
was happy and care free by the end.
This whole genre of flying has REALLY opened my eyes and I'm enjoying it
a
lot more than I could have ever imagined.
Happy New Year to all.
Tools
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2012 Ohio Piet Fly-in |
Dave, You're more than welcome, I still am not sure on a date or even a mon
th as of yet, but stay tuned.- I was hoping for some recomendations for d
ates, times of year to host.- Many people are busy during the summer with
vacations etc.- I am looking for people to chime in here, I will pick a
date that best suits the majority, and matches my scedule, I can plan ahead
to get the days off if need be.-
-
-
TO ALL, LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN OHIO PIET/TAILDRAGER
FLY-IN, I NEED TO KNOW WHEN MOST OF YOU COULD MAKE IT, TO MAKE IT WORTH TH
E PLANNING AND EXPENSE OF PUTING THIS THING TOGEATHER.
-
Shad
--- On Sun, 1/1/12, DaveG601XL wrote:
From: DaveG601XL <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2012 Ohio Piet Fly-in
Date: Sunday, January 1, 2012, 12:51 PM
m>
Shad,
My Aircamper is still under construction, but count me in.- My Zenith lov
es grass strips.
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David Gallagher
601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project: Pietenpol/GN-1
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
Here is a poem my Dad had in his shop while building his Pietenpol, and Cor
vair and is now in my shop where I am building my airplane.
-
It Couldn't Be Done---By Edgar A. Guest
-
Somebody said it couldn't be done'
But he with a chuckle replied
That "Mabe it couldn't", but he would be one who wouldn't say so till he'd
tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin,
and if he worried, he certinly hid hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing that couldn't be done and he did
it.
Somebody scoffed; "Oh you'll never do that; at least no one ever has done i
t;"
But he took off his coat and he took off his hat, and the first thing we kn
ew he'd begun it.
With-a lift of his chin and a bit of a grin, without any doubt or quit it
, He started to sing as he tackled the thing that couldn't be done and he d
id it.
There are thousands to tell you it cannot be done, There are thousands to p
rophsy failure;
There are thousands to point out to you one by one the dangers that wait to
asail you.
But just buckle right in with a bit of a grin, just take off your coat and
go to it;- Just start to sing as you tackle the thing that "cannot be don
e" and you'll do it.
-
Shad
P.S.- This i for all you builders who might have some sceptical friends o
r aquaintances.- You CAN do it, Corvair, Continental, Ford, Suburu or wha
t ever, keep at it it will fly some day!
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| Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Nuthin' there, Dan
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Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
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| Subject: | Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
I used the oiled bearings from MC. One thing I did do is use some Loctite 640 Bearing
Retainer to set the bearing into the wheel hub. If using the oil type bearings
just wipe the surface with alcohol to remove the oil and then apply the
Loctite. This will keep the bearing from spinning in the wheel hub and wearing
it out.
The oiled bearings can be replaced by heating the bearing some and pressing them
out.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
...still nuthin'...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 4:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching
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| From: | Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com> |
First act of 1-1-12 I marked my new calendar with Brodhead Hatz/Piet Fest
dates:
Thu 7-19 to Sun 7-22.
Happy New Year,
Tim in central TX
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| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Last flight of the year. |
I'm enjoying reading about people's last flights of 2011 and first of 2012.
Like Jack Phillips, I got in a nice late-afternoon flight on Friday, but I
had to work for it. The hangar where the Piet stays is one of those
Port-a-port hangars, with side doors that bifold on rollers horizontally, and
a
single center door that pushes up and latches, and is counterbalanced with
big springs and cables. Last week, I went down to the strip and the springs
on one side has snapped. That center door is way heavy. Friday, I didn't
have anyone to help me so I tried pushing the door up as far as I could and
bracing it with a 4 foot piece of steel pipe. Then I pushed it up farther by
walking a longer 2X4 up wedged between the asphalt floor and the door.
Finally, I got it up and latched but using a still longer 2X4. Replacement
springs are ordered - Ben Gay has been applied!
Friday was warm - high 50s but breezy. Flying north with the wind was a lot
of fun but it was slow coming back south. Still it was a great way to end
the year, and after landing I realized that it was a year to the day that
we'd trucked the wings down to Twin Rivers and attached them to the
fuselage, and made it into a real airplane.
Happy New Year, Good People!
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2012 |
Tim,mine is marked too. If I can just get my wings done. Ribs are done, Spars
are cut Leading edge cut, but nothing put together yet Happy New Year. Gardiner
________________________________
From: Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, January 2, 2012 11:22:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2012
First act of 1-1-12 I marked my new calendar with Brodhead Hatz/Piet Fest
dates:
Thu 7-19 to Sun 7-22.
Happy New Year,
Tim in central TX
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Powder Coat Supplier |
A few weeks ago someone mentioned a powder coat supplier. I couldn't find
in the archive. Could you share again?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Powder Coat Supplier |
| From: | jim_markle(at)mindspring.com |
I got my setup @ Eastwood.
Eastwood.com
JM
-----Original Message-----
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:24:29
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Powder Coat Supplier
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Powder Coat Supplier |
Hey Jack!
I bought a kit from Eastwood.com About $150 or maybe $199 for everything needed
to get started. Well, except a small compressor and an electric oven.....
Worked great...
JM
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack
Sent: Jan 2, 2012 7:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Powder Coat Supplier
A few weeks ago someone mentioned a powder coat supplier. I couldnt find in the
archive. Could you share again?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings |
I've been replacing journal bearings for forty years.
It's been my experience and is industry practice to
heat the surounding metal to enlarge the hole.
Heating the bearing directly will enlarge the bearing
itself thus jamming it tighter.
If the bearing is small, od 1" or less, and accessible
from the other side, you can hammer it out with a
brass drift, carefully. Larger ones should be pulled
out with an "inside" puller.You can make one
yourself to fit the application with iron plumbing
parts, a long bolt and nut and a thick washer to fit
the bearing. The pipe and a cap form a recepticle
for the bearing to slide into.
Clif
Life is not a matter of holding good cards,
but rather, of playing a bad hand well!"
Robert Louis Stevenson
>
> The oiled bearings can be replaced by heating the bearing some and
> pressing them out.
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Powder Coat Supplier |
Hi Jim,
I have a sprayer; I'm searching for a very special color. I've tried paint
from Eastwood and NIC. Someone mentioned a supplier in the last two weeks I
had not tried.
Thanks!
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jim_markle(at)mindspring.com
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Powder Coat Supplier
I got my setup @ Eastwood.
Eastwood.com
JM
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From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:24:29 -0600
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Powder Coat Supplier
A few weeks ago someone mentioned a powder coat = supplier. I couldn't find
in the archive. Could you share = again?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
... you heat the bearing to just soften the retaining compound, then press it out.
Sorry if I was not clear enough on that.
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Classic Aviation footage |
Ladies and Gentlemen:
Just so I don't start out the year by gettng flamed for un-Pietenpolish
conduct, let me say that if you watch this classic aviation footage all
the way through you will find a "sort of" Pietenpol connection. Note in
particular the open cockpit and the use of a doorbell ringer that cost $2.
http://www.aircraftowner.com/videos/view/americas-first-jet-flight-october-
1942_1617.html
Stinemetze
N328X
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| Subject: | Re: Powder Coat Supplier |
| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
I'm not sure what was mentioned before but I've used Pendry powder coatings f
or my powder before. They have some variety of materials.
www.pendrypowdercoatings.com/
Mike Groah
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:24 AM, "Jack" wrote:
> Hi Jim,
> I have a sprayer; I=99m searching for a very special color. I
=99ve tried paint from Eastwood and NIC. Someone mentioned a supplier in th
e last two weeks I had not tried.
> Thanks!
> Jack
> DSM
> NX1929T
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim_markle(at)mindspring.com
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 7:48 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Powder Coat Supplier
>
> I got my setup @ Eastwood.
>
> Eastwood.com
>
> JM
> From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:24:29 -0600
> To:
> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Powder Coat Supplier
>
> A few weeks ago someone mentioned a powder coat = supplier. I couldn
=99t find in the archive. Could you share = again?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Powder Coat Supplier |
Mike thanks but that is not the one mentioned. It does have a lot of good
ideas though. It's driving me nuts. It was posted a few weeks ago, I
believe in the metal priming thread. I looked at the site quickly and it
had the color I'm seeking on the front page. I either didn't bookmark it or
can't find the bookmark. I've read every thread in the archives with no
luck.
Thanks again Mike
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Powder Coat Supplier
I'm not sure what was mentioned before but I've used Pendry powder coatings
for my powder before. They have some variety of materials.
www.pendrypowdercoatings.com/
Mike Groah
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:24 AM, "Jack" wrote:
Hi Jim,
I have a sprayer; I'm searching for a very special color. I've tried paint
from Eastwood and NIC. Someone mentioned a supplier in the last two weeks I
had not tried.
Thanks!
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
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owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jim_markle(at)mindspring.com
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Powder Coat Supplier
I got my setup @ Eastwood.
Eastwood.com
JM
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From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:24:29 -0600
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Powder Coat Supplier
A few weeks ago someone mentioned a powder coat = supplier. I couldn't find
in the archive. Could you share = again?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Powder Coat Supplier |
Finally found it, thanks to all. http://www.columbiacoatings.com
<http://www.columbiacoatings.com/> they changed their front page which
threw me off.
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 5:41 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Powder Coat Supplier
Mike thanks but that is not the one mentioned. It does have a lot of good
ideas though. It's driving me nuts. It was posted a few weeks ago, I
believe in the metal priming thread. I looked at the site quickly and it
had the color I'm seeking on the front page. I either didn't bookmark it or
can't find the bookmark. I've read every thread in the archives with no
luck.
Thanks again Mike
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Powder Coat Supplier
I'm not sure what was mentioned before but I've used Pendry powder coatings
for my powder before. They have some variety of materials.
www.pendrypowdercoatings.com/
Mike Groah
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:24 AM, "Jack" wrote:
Hi Jim,
I have a sprayer; I'm searching for a very special color. I've tried paint
from Eastwood and NIC. Someone mentioned a supplier in the last two weeks I
had not tried.
Thanks!
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
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owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jim_markle(at)mindspring.com
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Powder Coat Supplier
I got my setup @ Eastwood.
Eastwood.com
JM
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From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:24:29 -0600
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Powder Coat Supplier
A few weeks ago someone mentioned a powder coat = supplier. I couldn't find
in the archive. Could you share = again?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| From: | <don.h(at)wcoil.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Powder Coat Supplier |
Powder Coat Supplierwas it eastwood??
From: Jack
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 6:41 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Powder Coat Supplier
Mike thanks but that is not the one mentioned. It does have a lot of
good ideas though. It=99s driving me nuts. It was posted a few
weeks ago, I believe in the metal priming thread. I looked at the site
quickly and it had the color I=99m seeking on the front page. I
either didn=99t bookmark it or can=99t find the bookmark.
I=99ve read every thread in the archives with no luck.
Thanks again Mike
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Powder Coat Supplier
I'm not sure what was mentioned before but I've used Pendry powder
coatings for my powder before. They have some variety of materials.
www.pendrypowdercoatings.com/
Mike Groah
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:24 AM, "Jack" wrote:
Hi Jim,
I have a sprayer; I=99m searching for a very special color.
I=99ve tried paint from Eastwood and NIC. Someone mentioned a
supplier in the last two weeks I had not tried.
Thanks!
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
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jim_markle(at)mindspring.com
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 7:48 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Powder Coat Supplier
I got my setup @ Eastwood.
Eastwood.com
JM
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Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:24:29 -0600
To:
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Powder Coat Supplier
A few weeks ago someone mentioned a powder coat = supplier. I
couldn=99t find in the archive. Could you share = again?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Riblet 612 cg range? |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
I am finishing up my pre cover w/b and it is working out real nice, should be able
to keep the cabanes vertical. Does anyone have the published cg range for
the Riblett airfoil? i was going to use 15-20" aft of the leading edge. Has anyone
else other than Lowel flown the Riblett yet?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362388#362388
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| From: | johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au |
| Subject: | Re: Riblet 612 cg range? |
Hi Chris,
I'm also building a Riblett 612 wing.
A fellow builder over here was advised by Mr Riblett to keep the CoG range between
10.8" and 16.8" aft of LE.
For the initial flight the aft limit should be only 15 inches, if OK this may be
increased to 16.8 in increments.
Others may be able to confirm these figures or present alternate CoG range.
JohnW
Perth Western Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
I have brass bushing in my Piet. I just changed the Bungee cords on a friends
Piet and she has the plastic automotive Kingpin bushings in hers. The plane was
built in the 70's and the bushings still look new. Seems like a great alternative
to me.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362412#362412
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| Subject: | Re: Riblet 612 cg range? |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
I hope for the sake of safety that all of the Riblett wing builders are aware of
that statement from Mr. Riblett. That range could prove to be difficult to
obtain on the Pietenpol.
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362415#362415
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Classic Aviation footage |
Is that Stan Laurel at 5:56?
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: TOM STINEMETZE
Sent: Jan 3, 2012 11:13 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Classic Aviation footage
Ladies and Gentlemen:
Just so I don't start out the year by gettng flamed for un-Pietenpolish conduct,
let me say that if you watch this classic aviation footage all the way through
you will find a "sort of" Pietenpol connection. Note in particular the open
cockpit and the use of a doorbell ringer that cost $2.
http://www.aircraftowner.com/videos/view/americas-first-jet-flight-october-1942_1617.html
Stinemetze
N328X
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2012 |
| From: | "RickBright" <brightwellrichard(at)yahoo.com> |
Am planning on attending this year for our first visit, I ordered the Pietenpol
plans and and am in the process of making room in the shop for the Air Camper
Project..
One of my other passions is old GM Converted buses, I have a converted 1959 4104
GM Coach, can anyone recommend a campground with water/electric hookups close
to the airport, could get by with no water or sewer but an electric cord would
be nice. I probably will now tow a car so close would be great...I understand
there is camping on site but no hookups?
Thanks
Rick
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362445#362445
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2012 |
Hi Rick
Brodhead is a simple small town, but it has good facilities. The airport is
about a mile out of town. You can bring your camper in and park it in the
airport parking lot for a total charge of $5. There is no electricity or
water sewer hookups.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "RickBright" <brightwellrichard(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 7:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2012
>
>
> Am planning on attending this year for our first visit, I ordered the
> Pietenpol plans and and am in the process of making room in the shop for
> the Air Camper Project..
>
> One of my other passions is old GM Converted buses, I have a converted
> 1959 4104 GM Coach, can anyone recommend a campground with water/electric
> hookups close to the airport, could get by with no water or sewer but an
> electric cord would be nice. I probably will now tow a car so close would
> be great...I understand there is camping on site but no hookups?
>
> Thanks
> Rick
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362445#362445
>
>
>
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| From: | prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2012 |
Crazy Horse Campground on the northwest side of Broadhead. All the hookups and
maybe 3 miles from the airport. If you tow a car, it works great.
Perry Rhoads
N12939
----- Original Message -----
From: "RickBright" <brightwellrichard(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 7:25:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2012
Am planning on attending this year for our first visit, I ordered the Pietenpol
plans and and am in the process of making room in the shop for the Air Camper
Project..
One of my other passions is old GM Converted buses, I have a converted 1959 4104
GM Coach, can anyone recommend a campground with water/electric hookups close
to the airport, could get by with no water or sewer but an electric cord would
be nice. I probably will now tow a car so close would be great...I understand
there is camping on site but no hookups?
Thanks
Rick
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362445#362445
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| Subject: | Re: Riblet 612 cg range? |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
If you do the math, the BH airfoil has a range of 25-40% MAC (mean aerodynamic
chord). The Riblett recommendation is for 18-28% MAC. For reference, Beech has
a CG range of 21-37% MAC for the Bonanza, slightly more restrictive than BH
but wider than Riblett. The Beech 18 is unstable with a CG aft of 30.5 which
is in line with the Riblett. The swept wing aircraft I've flown have run in
the 16-35% range.
The point of all this is that there is no good rule of thumb for CG limits but
they need to be determined by flight testing in an organized, scientific manner
if you're flying serial number 1. Sounds like fun!!!
For those who are close to flying the Riblett, this would be an excellent use of
the 25/40 hour fly off rather than boring holes in the sky.
Dave Aldrich
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362452#362452
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| Subject: | Re: Riblet 612 cg range? |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
My estimates put the cg at 18" the way i have it rigged now.....i did some archive
searching and pieti lowell says the cg range is real similar to the original
piet airfoil. I was really hoping some more people would be flying the ribletts
by now, i dont want to be first!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362463#362463
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| Subject: | Re: Classic Aviation footage |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Tom,
That was really interesting and enjoyable. Thanks for sharing it.
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:13 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
> *Ladies and Gentlemen:*
> **
> *Just so I don't start out the year by gettng flamed for un-Pietenpolish
> conduct, let me say that if you watch this classic aviation footage all the
> way through you will find a "sort of" Pietenpol connection. Note in
> particular the open cockpit and the use of a doorbell ringer that cost $2.
> *
> **
>
> http://www.aircraftowner.com/videos/view/americas-first-jet-flight-october-1942_1617.html
>
> *Stinemetze*
> *N328X*
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Greg Bacon
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| Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
| From: | "Jon Ferguson" <jon.m.ferguson(at)uscg.mil> |
It warmed my heart too, so much so that I asked Ben to use it on the original article.
He has graciously agreed.
Thank You Ben!
That picture reminds me so much of me and my father when I was little!
--------
http://writingsofjon.blogspot.com/
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362479#362479
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| Subject: | "First Air Camper?" |
| From: | Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com> |
This has nothing to do with building or flying Pietenpols, but much to
do with Air Camper history.
When did BHP build the first "Air Camper" and what was its engine?
I have seen conflicting claims on various sites as to when Mr.
Pietenpol built his first Air Camper, and what he used for an engine.
My mindset tells me it was in 1929 and it used a Model A Ford: "Low &
Slow since 1929."
But that conclusion is what I recall from various sites, including
this board, and from memory.
However I have seen references to a 1928 date and an Ace water cooled engine.
Was there such an earlier plane, and if so, did it look like an Air Camper?
Was it called an "Air Camper?" Did it fly?
I have seen references to "an earlier plane" than the Air Camper that
"did not fly/did not fly well." Was that the Ace-powered plane?
Wikipedia has somewhat different info from what I recall from our site.
The Pietenpol family website now has less historical information than
the version from 2008 and before.
What is the best source for this info? Is it Chet Peek's book, and if
so, if you have it, would you take a look?
If so, please post here, if you like. Otherwise if you would like to
post to me offline, I will look over responses and post results. I am
hoping the answer is clear and not controversial.
Thanks,
Tim in central TX
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: "First Air Camper?" |
Hi Tim,
Kevin Holcomb put together a spreadsheet of the history of aircraft that
Bernard built. It is here:
http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet_list.xls
Which is linked to from this page:
http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet.html
It gives a pretty good run down of what Bernard built, when, and what he
powered it with. I can not vouch for its accuracy but Kevin did include
references so I think it's pretty legit.
Hope this helps,
Dan
On 01/05/2012 11:38 AM, Timothy Willis wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Timothy Willis
>
> This has nothing to do with building or flying Pietenpols, but much to
> do with Air Camper history.
> When did BHP build the first "Air Camper" and what was its engine?
>
> I have seen conflicting claims on various sites as to when Mr.
> Pietenpol built his first Air Camper, and what he used for an engine.
> My mindset tells me it was in 1929 and it used a Model A Ford: "Low&
> Slow since 1929."
> But that conclusion is what I recall from various sites, including
> this board, and from memory.
>
> However I have seen references to a 1928 date and an Ace water cooled engine.
> Was there such an earlier plane, and if so, did it look like an Air Camper?
> Was it called an "Air Camper?" Did it fly?
> I have seen references to "an earlier plane" than the Air Camper that
> "did not fly/did not fly well." Was that the Ace-powered plane?
>
> Wikipedia has somewhat different info from what I recall from our site.
> The Pietenpol family website now has less historical information than
> the version from 2008 and before.
> What is the best source for this info? Is it Chet Peek's book, and if
> so, if you have it, would you take a look?
>
> If so, please post here, if you like. Otherwise if you would like to
> post to me offline, I will look over responses and post results. I am
> hoping the answer is clear and not controversial.
> Thanks,
> Tim in central TX
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Riblet 612 cg range? |
Chris,
The GA30U-612 is used on the Skystar Kitfox Lite and Kitfox Speedster.
See here:
http://www.ae.illinois.edu/m-selig/ads/aircraft.html
Here's a page I found on the Speedster that lists the most forward CG
position of 20% of MAC and most rearward at 31.3% of MAC. See near the
bottom of the page:
http://www.wefly4fun.com/Kitfox-01.htm
That seems to be pretty much in line with the FC-10...
In a similar vein, I've been meaning to plug N8031s data into the
following calculator, but I just haven't found the time, yet:
http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/cg_super_calc.htm
Cheers,
Dan
On 01/04/2012 10:20 PM, Chris Rusch wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Chris Rusch"
>
> My estimates put the cg at 18" the way i have it rigged now.....i did some archive
searching and pieti lowell says the cg range is real similar to the original
piet airfoil. I was really hoping some more people would be flying the ribletts
by now, i dont want to be first!!
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: "First Air Camper?" |
| From: | Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com> |
Dan,
Wow! Thanks. That seems to cover it for me. Great resource. I have saved it.
Tim in central TX
==================
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
> Kevin Holcomb put together a spreadsheet of the history of aircraft that
> Bernard built. It is here:
>
> http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet_list.xls
>
> Which is linked to from this page:
>
> http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet.html
>
> It gives a pretty good run down of what Bernard built, when, and what he
> powered it with. I can not vouch for its accuracy but Kevin did include
> references so I think it's pretty legit.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Dan
>
>
> On 01/05/2012 11:38 AM, Timothy Willis wrote:
>>
>> Willis
>>
>> This has nothing to do with building or flying Pietenpols, but much to
>> do with Air Camper history.
>> When did BHP build the first "Air Camper" and what was its engine?
>>
>> I have seen conflicting claims on various sites as to when Mr.
>> Pietenpol built his first Air Camper, and what he used for an engine.
>> My mindset tells me it was in 1929 and it used a Model A Ford: "Low&
>> Slow since 1929."
>> But that conclusion is what I recall from various sites, including
>> this board, and from memory.
>>
>> However I have seen references to a 1928 date and an Ace water cooled
>> engine.
>> Was there such an earlier plane, and if so, did it look like an Air
>> Camper?
>> Was it called an "Air Camper?" Did it fly?
>> I have seen references to "an earlier plane" than the Air Camper that
>> "did not fly/did not fly well." Was that the Ace-powered plane?
>>
>> Wikipedia has somewhat different info from what I recall from our site.
>> The Pietenpol family website now has less historical information than
>> the version from 2008 and before.
>> What is the best source for this info? Is it Chet Peek's book, and if
>> so, if you have it, would you take a look?
>>
>> If so, please post here, if you like. Otherwise if you would like to
>> post to me offline, I will look over responses and post results. I am
>> hoping the answer is clear and not controversial.
>> Thanks,
>> Tim in central TX
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
Group,
Does anyone have Chet Peeks contact info, I would like to get one of his
books. I would rather pay him than pay Amazon or EBay sellers. Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Story |
Chet has a website:
http://www.threepeakspub.com/
Good reading.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Jan 5, 2012, at 3:00 PM, brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com wrote:
>
>
> Group,
> Does anyone have Chet Peeks contact info, I would like to get one of his
> books. I would rather pay him than pay Amazon or EBay sellers. Thanks.
>
> Brian
> SLC-UT
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
His website is: http://www.threepeakspub.com/ listing all his books
Barry D
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Story
Group,
Does anyone have Chet Peeks contact info, I would like to get one of his
books. I would rather pay him than pay Amazon or EBay sellers. Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: "First Air Camper?" |
Where is mine and where is yours? Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov>
Sent: Thu, January 5, 2012 1:20:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "First Air Camper?"
Hi Tim,
Kevin Holcomb put together a spreadsheet of the history of aircraft that
Bernard built. It is here:
http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet_list.xls
Which is linked to from this page:
http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet.html
It gives a pretty good run down of what Bernard built, when, and what he
powered it with. I can not vouch for its accuracy but Kevin did include
references so I think it's pretty legit.
Hope this helps,
Dan
On 01/05/2012 11:38 AM, Timothy Willis wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Timothy Willis
>
> This has nothing to do with building or flying Pietenpols, but much to
> do with Air Camper history.
> When did BHP build the first "Air Camper" and what was its engine?
>
> I have seen conflicting claims on various sites as to when Mr.
> Pietenpol built his first Air Camper, and what he used for an engine.
> My mindset tells me it was in 1929 and it used a Model A Ford: "Low&
> Slow since 1929."
> But that conclusion is what I recall from various sites, including
> this board, and from memory.
>
> However I have seen references to a 1928 date and an Ace water cooled engine.
> Was there such an earlier plane, and if so, did it look like an Air Camper?
> Was it called an "Air Camper?" Did it fly?
> I have seen references to "an earlier plane" than the Air Camper that
> "did not fly/did not fly well." Was that the Ace-powered plane?
>
> Wikipedia has somewhat different info from what I recall from our site.
> The Pietenpol family website now has less historical information than
> the version from 2008 and before.
> What is the best source for this info? Is it Chet Peek's book, and if
> so, if you have it, would you take a look?
>
> If so, please post here, if you like. Otherwise if you would like to
> post to me offline, I will look over responses and post results. I am
> hoping the answer is clear and not controversial.
> Thanks,
> Tim in central TX
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings |
The bearing or the casing around it?
Clif
>
> ... you heat the bearing to just soften the retaining compound, then press
> it out. Sorry if I was not clear enough on that.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au |
| Subject: | Re: Riblet 612 cg range? |
Dan,
The Kitfox has flaperons.
I was wondering if the flaps would allow a wider CoG range as the aerofoil section
is altered when flaps are extended.
Just a thought.
JohnW
Perth Western Australia
----- "Dan Yocum" wrote:
Chris,
The GA30U-612 is used on the Skystar Kitfox Lite and Kitfox Speedster.
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| Subject: | Re: Riblet 612 cg range? |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Only if you intend to engineer, install, test, debug, and ultimately fly
with the flaps extended the entire time...
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:14 PM, wrote:
> Dan,
>
> The Kitfox has flaperons.
> I was wondering if the flaps would allow a wider CoG range as the aerofoil
> section is altered when flaps are extended.
> Just a thought.
>
> JohnW
> Perth Western Australia
>
> ----- "Dan Yocum" wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> The GA30U-612 is used on the Skystar Kitfox Lite and Kitfox Speedster.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
.. you heat the BEARING. Since the wheel rims maybe painted an or fabric covered.
Does not take much heat to soften the retaining compound.
I would be careful about the loading forces on the plastic bearings vs. wall thickness
and length. Just make sure you pick the correct one for the application.
A bearing disintegrating in a wheel housing on landing or take-off can be down
right exciting!
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| Subject: | Brake anti-rotation |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Hey Guys..
I'm messing with brakes today..
i decided i like the method of anti-rotation on wood gear axle that Dan and Mike
used...but..
What size material is appropriate here ?
i have tubing around to weld to the inside gear plate for the "pin" to ride in..and
kinda feel like 1/2" tubing would be big enough but the "pin" that slides
inside that is attached to the axle.. ? not sure... solid ?.. tube ?
it looks like 3 inches of travel is about right so were not talking about lots
of leverage forces and i'm using external band brakes.. which i know are not very
effective... just need to be able stop while taxiing.. can't image needing
really big stuff here
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Brake anti-rotation |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Jeff,
I don't have my Piet here to look at, but I believe I used 3/8" O.D. tube f
or the "pin" (quite heavy wall thickness). The "sheath" tube was a bit over
size, and I actually "squished" this tube into an oval shape, in anticipati
on of unequal forces from side to side (in other words, if one wheel hits a
pot hole and the other doesn't, the axle will raise up on one side but not
the other. No issues so far, but I have a limited number of landings, mayb
e 100.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 11:41 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brake anti-rotation
>
Hey Guys..
'm messing with brakes today..
decided i like the method of anti-rotation on wood gear axle that Dan and
Mike
sed...but..
hat size material is appropriate here ?
have tubing around to weld to the inside gear plate for the "pin" to ride
n..and kinda feel like 1/2" tubing would be big enough but the "pin" that
lides inside that is attached to the axle.. ? not sure... solid ?.. tube ?
it looks like 3 inches of travel is about right so were not talking about l
ots
f leverage forces and i'm using external band brakes.. which i know are not
ery effective... just need to be able stop while taxiing.. can't image need
ing
eally big stuff here
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Looks like someone got a deal (the purchaser - not the seller).
The only oddity I see is a very odd aileron cable routing. From the photos it appears
that the aileron control cables have been rerouted so that they don't pass
through the instrument area. That could be a nice feature, BUT... the new
route has the cables seriously impeding access to the front seat. Not sure how
anyone would manage to get in that front seat.
Bill C.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions |
I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol....if I should use l
atex or Stitts, and if I can use
hardware store bolts and cables.
Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing?
Is there a four seat version?
What if I'm 6' 4" and weigh 260 pounds...will a 65 Continental be good enou
gh. I have a short backyard strip, 1500' with trees at both ends.
Happy New Year to the group,
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old |
questions
| From: | Bryan Reed <reed44(at)gmail.com> |
I don't know about the rest but I am sure picture hanging wire should
suffice and make sure ya use the good stuff at the hardware store. Nuttin
but good old hard grade 8. ; ( Heck if'n its good nuff for bicycles it
should be fine on a light aeroplane.
No archive
Bryan
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] wrote:
> I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol=85.if I should use
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| Subject: | Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old |
questions
| From: | "Kenneth M. Heide" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
Well spoken, after all is completed fly and never look back!
Kenneth M. Heide
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 6, 2012, at 4:06 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
" wrote:
> I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol.if I shoul
d use latex or Stitts, and if I can use
> hardware store bolts and cables.
>
> Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing?
>
> Is there a four seat version?
>
> What if I=99m 6=99 4=9D and weigh 260 poundswil
l a 65 Continental be good enough. I have a short backyard strip, 1500
=99 with trees at both ends.
>
> Happy New Year to the group,
>
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: "First Air Camper?" |
Hi Gardiner,
Yeah, I wouldn't call the list complete by any stretch of the
imagination, but the top portion that contains Bernards a/c looks pretty
good.
Dan
On 01/05/2012 05:30 PM, airlion wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion
>
> Where is mine and where is yours? Gardiner
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
>From this photo it looks like he has a quick release in the cable... safety pin
style wire keeper on the pin.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
>From this photo it looks like he has a quick release in the cable... safety pin
style wire keeper on the pin.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old |
questions
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| Subject: | Update on my steel-tube Pietenpol project... |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Hello good Piet-ple...
Thought Id post an update on my project
I was able to spend 8 of the 9 days off during the holiday break in my workshop
mostly fabricating small pieces and parts. There are lots more to go and yet
Im fine with that as I am enjoying the adventure/experience/journey.
Part of the challenge with the Pietenpol design, especially with the steel-tube
fuselage version, is that so much of it is not defined on the plans. I therefore
spend a great deal more time designing certain elements than I actually do
fabricating the parts. An example of this is where the shoulder harness and seat
belts attach to the frame.
The photos show that my solution in this area has been to form a 4130 steel tube
bow behind the pilot and passenger seats. The nylon shoulder harness straps
will wrap around these tubes and should not interfere with the other things that
share that same volume such as the back of the instruments, the cross bracing,
aileron control cables, and instrument wires & pitot tubing. Mocking the area
up with string and cardboard parts has really helped to visualize this volume.
The pilots shoulder harness may still route back to fittings under the turtle
deck aft of the seat, but the bow will share the load and provide support
under the turtledeck structure in case someone sits on it while climbing into
the pilots seat.
I have been asked how much of the design I changed from the original plans. My
best answer may be to say that from the side view, it is dimensionally EXACTLY
the short fuselage steel-tube Pietenpol dimensions taken directly from an original
copy of the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual. The fuselage was made two inches
wider than plans and I increased the diameter and number of tubing segments
to carry structural loads around the area of my left side door cutout.
Ive included a screen shot of the fuselage truss I created in CAD which shows the
exact lengths of the cross members (centerline-to-centerline dimensions) because
when you make the fuselage two inches wider than plans, all the dimensions
in the tapered (aft fuselage) section are different than the plans.
In addition, I have installed more structure than that image shows to attach things
like rudder pedals, seats, and control bar fittings. Everywhere a critical
part mounts to the airplane, there will be a tab welded to the frame so all
critical parts are attached to the structure itself, not secondary structure such
as the plywood floor.
All this redesign adds some weight but the tubing itself is surprisingly light
(overall lighter than the wood fuselage by about 30 pounds if my numbers are correct)
and the few times I may add a bit of weight to my airplane I want it to
be for a conscious purpose.
Note: As a caveat, I have not yet completed this plane, so all things at this
point (January 2012) are just my current solutions/thinking and are subject to
change(!)
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Update on my steel-tube Pietenpol project... |
| From: | "regchief" <kbosley(at)comcast.net> |
Thanks Jake. The pictures and work are great, and I can see the amount of designing
you have incorporated so far, such as the brakes, rudder pedals and seats.
I came home today, and my plans were in the mail box. I have lurked about the
site for many years, and met several piet folks over the last year. I have been
interested in building a steel tube piet with possibly an 0-200 for power.
I was thinking of using a form of the long fuselage by stretching the steel tube
planand possibly increseing the tube size.. Keep up the great work!
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| Subject: | Re: Update on my steel-tube Pietenpol project... |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Terry.... We'll fly our Piets in formation one day....!
Congrats on the plans arriving Chief...... The start of your adventure.....!!
The 0-200 would be a good engine choice.....
J
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Brake anti-rotation |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
thanks gentleman...
did some welding..here it is
i had some 5/16 bungee around so i put 14 feet on each side just to check things
out...easier to preload it won't move with just me on board..
jeff
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| From: | "Scott Cutler" <cutlertxs(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | center secting wing ribs |
My 7th and 8th grade students have finally finished making the outboard wing
section ribs (3-piece wing, 26 ribs-needless to say, they are ready to move
on) to our AirCamper. We constructed the ribs with vertical supports on the
fore and aft sides of the front and rear spar locations. We don't know how
to support the spar locations on the ribs that form the butt joint between
the outer and center wing sections. Those locations are filled with
plywood, steel straps, and pulleys. Those of you that built a 3-piece wing,
how did you build those 4 butt ribs in the spar locations? Thanks, Scott
Cutler
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | center secting wing ribs |
Scott,
Just trace the rib on to a piece of plywood, cut and glue. You can rasp &
sand the plywood to fit after the glue is hard. Does that answer your
question?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Cutler
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 12:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: center secting wing ribs
My 7th and 8th grade students have finally finished making the outboard wing
section ribs (3-piece wing, 26 ribs-needless to say, they are ready to move
on) to our AirCamper. We constructed the ribs with vertical supports on the
fore and aft sides of the front and rear spar locations. We don't know how
to support the spar locations on the ribs that form the butt joint between
the outer and center wing sections. Those locations are filled with
plywood, steel straps, and pulleys. Those of you that built a 3-piece wing,
how did you build those 4 butt ribs in the spar locations? Thanks, Scott
Cutler
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brake anti-rotation |
Jeff,
Will you be installing anything to prevent chafing of the bungee's on
the fasteners?
The bungees on NX18235 were being replaced annually (my least favorite
job) until we installed a leather cuff to protect the bungees.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:51 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brake anti-rotation
thanks gentleman...
did some welding..here it is
i had some 5/16 bungee around so i put 14 feet on each side just to
check things
out...easier to preload it won't move with just me on board..
jeff
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| Subject: | New Builder to the Piet Family |
| From: | "FandS_Piet" <fkim79(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Guys. I just wanted to peak in and say hello to all and thanks for the abundance
of information on hear. My father and I have decided to build a Piet, the
plans are ordered as well as some spruce. My father is actually in the middle
of an Rv-8 build right now and when I went to the him with the idea of building
a Piet together, he didnt know what a Piet was and after a days research,
he got back to me and was all in putting the RV on the back burner. I am so
excited to be able to do this with my dad and cant wait until the plans arrive
in the mail
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | New Builder to the Piet Family |
Well, as one who has built a Pietenpol and is currently building an RV-10, I
can say you and your Dad will thoroughly enjoy the experience of building
the Pietenpol. Don't get me wrong, Van's builds fine kits, but the
experience of assembling (not BUILDING) a kit is simply not as rewarding as
that of making every piece of the airplane yourself.
With an RV, there is no time spent in looking at the plans and trying to
figure out the best way to make the parts shown in what seems to be way too
few drawings, nor is there any satisfaction of knowing that your airplane is
not quite like any other.
Once your Pietenpol is finished, you'll have the pleasure of seeing it draw
crowds wherever you fly. I own an RV-4 (that I bought, not one I built
myself) that I fly regularly. It never creates any curiosity at all, the
way my Pietenpol does. RV stands for Ramp Vermin. They are fine airplanes,
and truly do everything well, but there are an awful lot of them. They are
becoming as ubiquitous as Cessnas.
So welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols, and of building your own
airplane from scratch. The people here are wonderful, and the airplanes are
honest and interesting, and fly like what they are - a 1929 design. Plan to
attend Brodhead this July, to see just how many variations on the type are
possible. Truly no two are alike.
Good Luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of FandS_Piet
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 9:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Builder to the Piet Family
Hey Guys. I just wanted to peak in and say hello to all and thanks for the
abundance of information on hear. My father and I have decided to build a
Piet, the plans are ordered as well as some spruce. My father is actually
in the middle of an Rv-8 build right now and when I went to the him with the
idea of building a Piet together, he didnt know what a Piet was and after a
days research, he got back to me and was all in putting the RV on the back
burner. I am so excited to be able to do this with my dad and cant wait
until the plans arrive in the mail
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| Subject: | Re: center secting wing ribs |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Scott,
There are probably a thousand different ways to do this, but I'll share
with you the sequence I used to help get you thinking about it. First,
attach the metal fitting to the CS spar pieces. Attach the CS spar pieces
to the wing panels. I made up a "skeleton" stand to support the center.
The wing panel ends were sitting on saw horses covered with carpet
remnants. By the way, make sure the wing panels are squared up first by
adjusting the drag/anti-drag cables accordingly. Essentially, you are
using the wing panels as jigs to make sure everything fits together
perfectly. Next, position and epoxy the ribs in place. You will have to
chisel away small portions of the rib vertical truss members to clear the
metal fittings. Next, scribe and cut plywood to fit the wing curve and
epoxy in place. I only applied "butt-rib" plywood to the ribs in-between
the spars. I sanded off all the rib gussets in this area then epoxied the
plywood to the side of the rib, again, in-between the front and rear spars.
Next, attach your leading and trailing edges. Sand and shape everything
accordingly. Next, apply the bottom plywood skin. Now, you can remove
wing panels (your jig) since the bottom skin will keep the CS square. You
may want to go ahead and varnish those areas that will be difficult or next
to impossible to varnish after applying the top plywood skin. Lastly,
apply the top plywood skin and varnish the rest of the CS. I would
reference the Tony Bingelis wood working book for how to glue up the
plywood skins. Anyway, this is the general sequence I used. Oh, and I did
not apply plywood to the butt ribs on the wing panels. I left them open
and reinforced the bit ribs with scrap 1/2" by 1/2" spruce pieces. If you
want, I can send you some photos off-line. Hope this helps.
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Scott Cutler wrote:
> My 7th and 8th grade students have finally finished making the outboard
> wing section ribs (3-piece wing, 26 ribs-needless to say, they are ready
to
> move on) to our AirCamper. We constructed the ribs with vertical support
s
> on the fore and aft sides of the front and rear spar locations. We don
=92t
> know how to support the spar locations on the ribs that form the butt joi
nt
> between the outer and center wing sections. Those locations are filled
> with plywood, steel straps, and pulleys. Those of you that built a 3-pie
ce
> wing, how did you build those 4 butt ribs in the spar locations? Thanks,
> Scott Cutler****
>
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Greg Bacon
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | center secting wing ribs |
Scott, I commend you for doing the project with the kids. Not sure of you
question but maybe some pictures will help. See here,
http://textors.com/PietProject.html most of the wing pictures are at the
bottom of the page.
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Bacon
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: center secting wing ribs
Scott,
There are probably a thousand different ways to do this, but I'll share with
you the sequence I used to help get you thinking about it. First, attach
the metal fitting to the CS spar pieces. Attach the CS spar pieces to the
wing panels. I made up a "skeleton" stand to support the center. The wing
panel ends were sitting on saw horses covered with carpet remnants. By the
way, make sure the wing panels are squared up first by adjusting the
drag/anti-drag cables accordingly. Essentially, you are using the wing
panels as jigs to make sure everything fits together perfectly. Next,
position and epoxy the ribs in place. You will have to chisel away small
portions of the rib vertical truss members to clear the metal fittings.
Next, scribe and cut plywood to fit the wing curve and epoxy in place. I
only applied "butt-rib" plywood to the ribs in-between the spars. I sanded
off all the rib gussets in this area then epoxied the plywood to the side of
the rib, again, in-between the front and rear spars. Next, attach your
leading and trailing edges. Sand and shape everything accordingly. Next,
apply the bottom plywood skin. Now, you can remove wing panels (your jig)
since the bottom skin will keep the CS square. You may want to go ahead and
varnish those areas that will be difficult or next to impossible to varnish
after applying the top plywood skin. Lastly, apply the top plywood skin and
varnish the rest of the CS. I would reference the Tony Bingelis wood
working book for how to glue up the plywood skins. Anyway, this is the
general sequence I used. Oh, and I did not apply plywood to the butt ribs
on the wing panels. I left them open and reinforced the bit ribs with scrap
1/2" by 1/2" spruce pieces. If you want, I can send you some photos
off-line. Hope this helps.
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Scott Cutler wrote:
My 7th and 8th grade students have finally finished making the outboard wing
section ribs (3-piece wing, 26 ribs-needless to say, they are ready to move
on) to our AirCamper. We constructed the ribs with vertical supports on the
fore and aft sides of the front and rear spar locations. We don't know how
to support the spar locations on the ribs that form the butt joint between
the outer and center wing sections. Those locations are filled with
plywood, steel straps, and pulleys. Those of you that built a 3-piece wing,
how did you build those 4 butt ribs in the spar locations? Thanks, Scott
Cutler
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| Subject: | Re: Brake anti-rotation |
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Greg,
Do you have a photo of that leather cuff? My bungees also get chafed by get
ting pinched by the spruce "V" pieces during routine stretching during taxi
, landing etc.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brake anti-rotation
Jeff,
Will you be installing anything to prevent chafing of the bungee's on the f
asteners?
The bungees on NX18235 were being replaced annually (my least favorite job)
until we installed a leather cuff to protect the bungees.
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