Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-lb
February 22, 2012 - March 15, 2012
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Throttle Linkage |
I used an 1/8" 4130 steel rod for my throttle control which is joined to a
commercial (ACS or Wicks) throttle cable
assembly via an aluminum connector that is threaded on both sides (like a t
urnbuckle but with locking jamb nuts on
either end) The connector was home made.
The wooden ball (a drawer pull knob from Lowe's) is attached with an Adell
clamp to the throttle rod.
Mike C.
(photo is of the passenger cockpit)
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Linkage |
| From: | "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net> |
Jack
This is what I did on my first Piet project and although it was a bit of work making
push-rods and a bell crank, it worked quite well. In hind site I would of
used a different quadrant, but had these two on hand. The purpose of the bell-crank
was twofold, it reversed the action of the throttle lever and also provided
the transition from rod to cable. The throttle cable is a standard push/pull
one from ACS with threaded ends.
Hope this helps.
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: More wing info |
Ben, where did you hinge your flop? My ribs have a reinforcing member
running from the bottom cap strip forward to the top cap strip, the bottom
member is about 18 inches from the trailing edge (see attachment). I was
thinking of putting my flop in at that diagonal member. Do you think this
would allow room for an OLD man to get in and out of the cockpit? Chuck
> I built a flop into mine too. I don't use it getting in, but it sure
> helps when its time to get out!
>
> --
> Ben Charvet, PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
>
>
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Tony Bingelis: Firewall Forward Throttle Linkage |
As you all know I get royalties every time I mention Tony's books (right!)
but once again it dawned on me that these books are perfect for just about
every question we face building airplanes including the throttle question.
What I love is that Tony gives you two or three ways to tackle a particular
task and then you can adapt whatever is best to your desires, airplane, and
expenses.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Linkage |
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
Jack,
I obtained a generic choke cable from a local auto parts store and broke the plastic
handle off and then flattened that end then drilled a hole in it for a clevis
pin. The metal rod from the throttle quadrant terminates in a fork end
into which the flattened end fits and a clevis pin goes through to hold them together.
The choke cable provides an acceptable firewall penetration with its
normal mounting hardware and you have a wire ending at the carburetor for mounting
to the linkage. A clamp to hold the outer sheathing is simple to make allowing
adjustment. Simple and cheap but may not be to standards for some.
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| Subject: | Re: More wing info |
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
Rick,
I made the same decision at the same time. BHP has been quoted as stating that
a cutout is equivalent to shortening the wings by two feet.
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| Subject: | Re: Tony Bingelis: Firewall Forward Throttle Linkage |
| From: | "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com> |
I agree Mike! I did check Tony out but I really appreciate other ideas as well.
Thanks!
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 22, 2012, at 9:11 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]"
wrote:
>
> As you all know I get royalties every time I mention Tony's books (right!)
> but once again it dawned on me that these books are perfect for just about
> every question we face building airplanes including the throttle question.
>
> What I love is that Tony gives you two or three ways to tackle a particular
> task and then you can adapt whatever is best to your desires, airplane, and
> expenses.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
I added a spar to the center section where the aileron spar is, Made
the angled side pieces out of scrap 3/4 inch lumber routed out on the
side that doesn't show to decrease weight. The flop itself is made out
of aluminum and was pretty easy to fabricate with a small brake I
borrowed from a friend. A simple piano hinge on the front edge, and a
simple slide to hold it in place. Like I said in my previous post, my
wing is 4 inches back from vertical and I can get into the pilots seat
without opening the flop, but when getting out I open it and use the
cabanes to pull myself upright before stepping out.
Ben Charvet
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| Subject: | Re: My Flop cutout |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I did a similar thing with mine... installed a spar where the aileron spar would
be, but I really didn't want a flop so I just left it open. One thing I did
do was install a handle (a piece of 1.25x.049 4130 tube that will be pinned),
but I'm not actually sure that it will be necessary or even useful. I didn't
really think about using the cabane struts.
The hole is no big deal... I suppose I could cover it with fabric and never worry
about it. I'm not sure who all has a handle up there, but for those that do,
does anyone find it useful?
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: My Flop cutout |
Well, here's my flop. Open areas will be covered,
top and bottom, with thin lexan.
As for getting in and out, the process will be to
put right foot in step right behind cockpit, swing
left leg onto seat, bring right leg in, turn around
and sit down. Reverse when necessary. One
can even stand there and salute if the Majah
happens by.
Clif - STILL workin on the d#@ brakes! :-)
> I did a similar thing with mine... installed a spar where the aileron spar
> would be, but I really didn't want a flop so I just left it open. > Mark
> Chouinard
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Air Camper NX13691 |
Like Don and others, I find 13691 to be the perfect example
of an Air Camper and what we all aspire to. So clean, so
simple, so perfect in all her lines. And would you just zoom
in on the tailwheel and notice the dried grass still hanging
from the tail skid? Sigh. This is what Pietenpoling truly
is all about.
I miss my airplane. June can't come soon enough, when I will
make my way down to Texas to retrieve Scout.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/
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| Subject: | Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Hi Earl,
Thanks for that. I have never heard it explained. It clears it up for me.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol accesories |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Well, it probably oughta! Are you going to paint "Truck Rides" on the Piet? Fly
around the countryside and see if you can drum up some business.
I've never had a ride in a Model A pickup truck, I'd go for it...
Tools
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol accesories |
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol accesories |
Very nice! Are you going to take the truck to shows or just enjoy it through driving
around?
Did you do a complete restoration, (frame off...if you will) or just cosmetically?
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Continental Teledyne Rant |
So, feeling that a new, updated 2011 version of the A-65/75 Continental eng
ine overhaul manual would be best, I went right to the source to check one
out. On the website, the manual, (X30008,) is described as being 78 pages a
nd in a three ring binder. I like the 3 ringed idea so that I could pop out
the pages I needed for the work I would be doing that day, lay the pages o
ut on the counter, and not have to touch them. (For $80.00, I would like to
keep them clean.)
A few days ago, the manual arrived. Noticing that the package was only abou
t 3/4 of an inch thick, I knew it was no three ring binder. Upon opening, I
saw a spiral wound manual.- (so much for taking out the pages.)- Flipp
ing to the back, I see page number 68.- I was expecting to see 78, as adv
ertised. Doing some quick math, it turns out that if I count EVERY FACE OF
EVERY PAGE the manual is made of, I get 78 pages. This includes the cover,
inside cover, index pages ,inside back cover and outside back cover. Oh...a
nd...I also included the page(s) marked "This page left blank intentionally
."- I don't even think this/these pages even had a page number of any sor
t.
Anyhoo, I'm not pleased. So far Continental has not returned my inquiry ema
il.
Rant over...as you were.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Accessories |
Hold the phone upside down when you send them.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Continental Teledyne Rant |
Well, I know its too late now, but you could just print the pages in
question off the pdf file that Don Emch posted last week:
Ben
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/a_65_overhaul_manual_193.pdf
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On 2/23/2012 2:23 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
> So, feeling that a new, updated 2011 version of the A-65/75
> Continental engine overhaul manual would be best, I went right to the
> source to check one out. On the website, the manual, (X30008,) is
> described as being 78 pages and in a three ring binder. I like the 3
> ringed idea so that I could pop out the pages I needed for the work I
> would be doing that day, lay the pages out on the counter, and not
> have to touch them. (For $80.00, I would like to keep them clean.)
>
> A few days ago, the manual arrived. Noticing that the package was only
> about 3/4 of an inch thick, I knew it was no three ring binder. Upon
> opening, I saw a spiral wound manual. (so much for taking out the
> pages.) Flipping to the back, I see page number 68. I was expecting
> to see 78, as advertised. Doing some quick math, it turns out that if
> I count EVERY FACE OF EVERY PAGE the manual is made of, I get 78
> pages. This includes the cover, inside cover, index pages ,inside back
> cover and outside back cover. Oh...and...I also included the page(s)
> marked "This page left blank intentionally." I don't even think
> this/these pages even had a page number of any sort.
>
> Anyhoo, I'm not pleased. So far Continental has not returned my
> inquiry email.
>
> Rant over...as you were.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| From: | steve(at)wotelectronics.com |
| Subject: | Re: Continental Teledyne Rant |
I understand your frustration Michael, especially when it was $80.
However, I consider us all fortunate to have ANY support whatsoever
from a manufacturer that developed and sold these engines about 80 years
ago. After nearly a century, that in itself is impressive, especially
considering the poor state of our legal system and the liability
involved for the manufacturer. Continental certainly stands to make no
profit from anything related to these engines, however they do create
some new liability by printing these manuals. The people who did profit
from the manufacture of these engines are mostly dead if not all dead.
>From a purely business standpoint, it makes no sense to support these
engines at all. They probably only do so because there are some airplane
loving guys at Continental (they sure aren't there for the profits)! A
strict businessman would've kicked us to the curb long ago.
I'm not
sure I can think of a manufacturer of any product who supports something
they made 80 years ago. I'm sure they exist, but it is by far the
exception, not the rule.
Just my $.02. :)
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
> Well, I
know its too late now, but you could just print the pages in question
off the pdf file that Don Emch posted last week:
>
> Ben
>
>
Attachments:
>
>
http://forums.matronics.com//files/a_65_overhaul_manual_193.pdf [2]
>
>
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>
> On 2/23/2012 2:23 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
>
>> So, feeling
that a new, updated 2011 version of the A-65/75 Continental engine
overhaul manual would be best, I went right to the source to check one
out. On the website, the manual, (X30008,) is described as being 78
pages and in a three ring binder. I like the 3 ringed idea so that I
could pop out the pages I needed for the work I would be doing that day,
lay the pages out on the counter, and not have to touch them. (For
$80.00, I would like to keep them clean.)
>>
>> A few days ago, the
manual arrived. Noticing that the package was only about 3/4 of an inch
thick, I knew it was no three ring binder. Upon opening, I saw a spiral
wound manual. (so much for taking out the pages.) Flipping to the back,
I see page number 68. I was expecting to see 78, as advertised. Doing
some quick math, it turns out that if I count EVERY FACE OF EVERY PAGE
the manual is made of, I get 78 pages. This includes the cover, inside
cover, index pages ,inside back cover and outside back cover.
Oh...and...I also included the page(s) marked "This page left blank
intentionally." I don't even think this/these pages even had a page
number of any sort.
>>
>> Anyhoo, I'm not pleased. So far Continental
has not returned my inquiry email.
>>
>> Rant over...as you were.
>>
>> Michael Perez
>> Karetaker Aero
>> www.karetakeraero.com [1]
>
> --
> Ben Charvet, PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
>
>
Links:
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[1] http://www.karetakeraero.com
[2]
http://forums.matronics.com//files/a_65_overhaul_manual_193.pdf
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| Subject: | Progress bragging! If you call it progress? |
| From: | "Kyle85" <boschkyle(at)hotmail.com> |
Last weekend I went up to Iowa to visit the rest of my family in Boone. My dad
and I made our down to the "Woodsmith Store" In Des Moines where I bought some
5/4 rough cut(6") Douglas fir. It cost $25.00 for a five foot length. I cut it
and half and started my center section. My dad, who has no interest in aviation
helped me use his planer and jointer to get the lumber to spec. After seeing
the beauty of the wood after the first pass through the planer I will no doubt
buy the remaining spars and longerons from this store. And best of all they
come in 16 ft lengths at no charge for the "lengthy" boards. Here are some
photos. The ribs are not done and I know they do not "match" but I am not sure
if I am going to put the reinforced ribs on the center section as I plan on webbing
them the plywood anyway.
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Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete the
flight.
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Progress bragging! If you call it progress? |
Kyle,
Congrats on finding a local alternative! I, too, used DF spar material, with
overall satisfaction. My only suggestion is to be very selective, and choose
boards that all have similar (good) grain pattern. I was not so selective,
and, though all my boards were within AC43.13 spec's, one was definitely of
lesser quality...that one later warped. Best wishes...
Gary from Cool
NX308MB
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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress bragging! If you call it progress?
Last weekend I went up to Iowa to visit the rest of my family in Boone. My
dad and I made our down to the "Woodsmith Store" In Des Moines where I
bought some 5/4 rough cut(6") Douglas fir. It cost $25.00 for a five foot
length. I cut it and half and started my center section. My dad, who has no
interest in aviation helped me use his planer and jointer to get the lumber
to spec. After seeing the beauty of the wood after the first pass through
the planer I will no doubt buy the remaining spars and longerons from this
store. And best of all they come in 16 ft lengths at no charge for the
"lengthy" boards. Here are some photos. The ribs are not done and I know
they do not "match" but I am not sure if I am going to put the reinforced
ribs on the center section as I plan on webbing them the plywood anyway.
--------
Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete
the flight.
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| Subject: | Re: Nice one Mr. Textor |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Hubba Hubba... Dooba Dooba!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Throttle Linkage |
Jack, if you haven't already fabricated your throttle linkage
setup and you're still fishing for ideas, there are some pictures
of the setup that Ernie Moreno's Piet has, on my website. His
is set up with no cables at all... all rods, bellcranks, and
solid connections. Not advocating for that, just saying it
may provide an idea or two. Not everyone will agree with the
final link between the bellcrank on the firewall and the carb
butterfly lever because it is not a straight rod; it has an offset
bent into it. I can understand the need to avoid that in control
linkages where you can fail a member by applying enough force
to kink it at the bend, but I can't imagine ever developing
that much force trying to open or close a carb butterfly.
Anyway, if you go to http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/piets.html
and scroll down to the bottom, there's a link to the firewall
forward pictures and one of them shows the throttle linkage. Go
to the bottom of that page and there's a link to the cockpit pix
and you'll see a couple that show how Ernie's is set up.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | waterproofing hinge locations |
| From: | Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com> |
I will have a baggage compartment in my center wing with a piano hinge
at the front. Where have those of you using a center baggage
compartment mounted the hinge, to what, and what (if any) fill
material to keep water from leaking:
-- under screws into wooden parts;
-- through the hinge and into the compartment?
In the same vein, what prevents water damage, seeping into screw holes
in the wood under the aileron hinges?
Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | Re: waterproofing hinge locations |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Tim, mine isn't flying yet so no real world experience with how well
this works. What I did was to dab spar varnish into and around all of
the holes where I attached the piano hinge to the flop section. I
know some fellas prefer to use eye liner brushes. I used q-tips.
Cheers, Ken
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Timothy Willis wrote:
>
> I will have a baggage compartment in my center wing with a piano hinge
> at the front. Where have those of you using a center baggage
> compartment mounted the hinge, to what, and what (if any) fill
> material to keep water from leaking:
> -- under screws into wooden parts;
> -- through the hinge and into the compartment?
>
> In the same vein, what prevents water damage, seeping into screw holes
> in the wood under the aileron hinges?
> Tim in central TX
>
>
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: waterproofing hinge locations |
Tim, you might consider a plastic hinge and glueing it down. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, February 24, 2012 10:00:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: waterproofing hinge locations
I will have a baggage compartment in my center wing with a piano hinge
at the front. Where have those of you using a center baggage
compartment mounted the hinge, to what, and what (if any) fill
material to keep water from leaking:
-- under screws into wooden parts;
-- through the hinge and into the compartment?
In the same vein, what prevents water damage, seeping into screw holes
in the wood under the aileron hinges?
Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | Fuel system sealing |
| From: | Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com> |
I'm working on sealing up my fuel system. I have a few slow leaks from my
gascolator. ACS has EZTurn Lubricant, but I've found a local source for
another fuel system sealant
http://www.gsasupplyco.com/gaethse.html
Can anyone tell me If this would be safe to use? The world of sealants and
adhesives is strange to me. I can't seem to pin down equivalents. It
seems like a world of "gray stuff in tube, blue stuff in can"
Thanks for your help.
--
Andrew Eldredge
Provo, UT
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel system sealing |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Andrew the website specs look good. I use LocTite 567. It is pricey but I have
a lot of experience with it and it is good stuff. I am not saying that the LocTite
stuff is better. I have no idea about that.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering and painting
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Engine Push Rod Length |
The engines I acquired have no log books. I see that I can buy standard pus
h rods and +.030" push rods.- Any idea how I can determine what length pu
sh rods I currently have? I see no specs. given in the manual.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: waterproofing hinge locations |
| From: | Hans Van Der Voort <hvandervoo(at)aol.com> |
Dip all screws in varnish right before you use them, screw them wet in to t
he wood.
This will avoid to some extend moisture getting in to the wood.
Second varnish/ paint over the screw, seal it
Thirdly, make sure water can drain out of any and all compartments !
your weight and balance will change with water collecting in low spots
If your park your plane outside use cockpit covers.
Lastly don't fly in the rain
Hans
NX 15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2012 9:04 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: waterproofing hinge locations
>
I will have a baggage compartment in my center wing with a piano hinge
t the front. Where have those of you using a center baggage
ompartment mounted the hinge, to what, and what (if any) fill
aterial to keep water from leaking:
- under screws into wooden parts;
- through the hinge and into the compartment?
In the same vein, what prevents water damage, seeping into screw holes
n the wood under the aileron hinges?
im in central TX
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: waterproofing hinge locations |
Tim, where is all this water coming from? Certainly you're not going to fly
your Piet in the rain. If you tie it down outside (like I might have to for
a while until I can get hanger space) cover everything up with plastic
tarps.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy Willis" <timwillis01(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: waterproofing hinge locations
>
>
> I will have a baggage compartment in my center wing with a piano hinge
> at the front. Where have those of you using a center baggage
> compartment mounted the hinge, to what, and what (if any) fill
> material to keep water from leaking:
> -- under screws into wooden parts;
> -- through the hinge and into the compartment?
>
> In the same vein, what prevents water damage, seeping into screw holes
> in the wood under the aileron hinges?
> Tim in central TX
>
>
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Continental engine cooling eyebrow drawings--inexpensive! |
Stumbled upon this at the Cub Club web site. This is a deal. This is f
or DRAWINGS....not the actual parts
to make the cooling eyebrows.
https://www.cub-club.com/blueprint/Blueprint%20Listing.10.pdf
See page 3.
[cid:image001.png(at)01CCF304.8B617320]
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Engine Push Rod Length |
Michael, that expensive overhaul manual you bought should have a Table of
Limits in it. You'll find the information you need there.
>From looking at mine, I find that the pushrods (new) should have a length of
10.797" to 10.827". The serviceable limit length is 10.785"
To determine if you need the oversize pushrods, you will have to have the
engine assembled, and measure the clearance between the valve stem and the
rocker arm, with the hydraulic lifter fully deflated. The clearance is
supposed to be between 0.030" and 0.110". If your clearance is more than
0.110" you will need the longer pushrod.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length
The engines I acquired have no log books. I see that I can buy standard push
rods and +.030" push rods. Any idea how I can determine what length push
rods I currently have? I see no specs. given in the manual.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
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| Subject: | Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage |
| From: | "Mild Bill" <whfrank(at)charter.net> |
Scott -
What airfoil section does your Air Camper use?
I'm having a hard time envisioning that center section matching up smoothly with
wings having any of the usual suspects, namely, Pietenpol FC-10, Clark Y, USA
35B, USA 27, NACA 4412, NACA 2412, Riblett 612, and Riblett 613.5.
Incidentally, y'all can find find plots of a great many airfoil sections (though not the FC-10 nor any Riblett sections) here: http://www.ae.illinois.edu/m-selig/ads/coord_database.html
And find out which airplanes use which sections (including the FC-10 and various Riblett sections) here: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~akmitra/aero361/design_web/airfoil_usage.htm
--------
Bill Frank
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| Subject: | Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Hello Bill,
Actually I used cub wings built from the REED Clipped Wing plans. Wood Spars and
aluminum ribs and Piet style tips. I have a 27' span. The center center section
is all wood and I have used foam and cloth to fare-in and shape the cut
out above the pilot seat. I also have a Cessna 140 wing tank in the center section
for fuel. The nose tank is from an Opal Cadet car and it holds 10 gallons.
That gives me 22.5 Gallons usable.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: waterproofing hinge locations |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
What Hans said
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Air Camper boggled my mind. |
| From: | "Mild Bill" <whfrank(at)charter.net> |
Happened across this while browsing the 'net for pictures of Pietenpols.
http://www.abpic.co.uk/popup.php?q=1031240
Say it ain't so, with that anteater nose and peculiarly enclosed cockpit. My first
impression was that someone had stolen the lower wings off one of those long-nosed
Grumman/Schweizer Ag-Cats.
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/001892.html
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Bill Frank
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper boggled my mind. |
| From: | "Mild Bill" <whfrank(at)charter.net> |
Well, that's sad, even if the appearance was pretty far removed from the classic
Model A powered Air Camper.
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| Subject: | Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage |
| From: | "Mild Bill" <whfrank(at)charter.net> |
That's odd.
The Piper Cub reportedly started with a standard USA 35B airfoil, but the airfoil
was later modified - in 1943 according to some sources, but my March, 1941
Aero Digest Annual Digest states "USA 35B modified airfoil section."
At any rate, the modification was apparently only to the upper surface, slightly
raising the contour so the peak is at 9.36% of chord above the chord line rather
than 9%. Here's a drawing of the modified airfoil (the dimensions are in
inches rather than percentages of chord):
http://www.supercubproject.com/drawings/pdfs/A3310184.pdf
The characteristic undercamber of the original USA 35B is still there. It's not
much, but I thought it would show up more clearly in those gorgeous pictures
you posted. Even when I hold a straight edge up to the screen I can't really make
out any deviation along the rib bottoms in that last picture.
--------
Bill Frank
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Engine Push Rod Length |
Thank you Jack...I see it now.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: waterproofing hinge locations |
| From: | Hans Van Der Voort <hvandervoo(at)aol.com> |
Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2012 12:17 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: waterproofing hinge locations
Dip all screws in varnish right before you use them, screw them wet in to t
he wood.
This will avoid to some extend moisture getting in to the wood.
Second varnish/ paint over the screw, seal it
Thirdly, make sure water can drain out of any and all compartments !
your weight and balance will change with water collecting in low spots
If your park your plane outside use cockpit covers.
Lastly don't fly in the rain
Hans
NX 15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2012 9:04 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: waterproofing hinge locations
>
I will have a baggage compartment in my center wing with a piano hinge
t the front. Where have those of you using a center baggage
ompartment mounted the hinge, to what, and what (if any) fill
aterial to keep water from leaking:
- under screws into wooden parts;
- through the hinge and into the compartment?
In the same vein, what prevents water damage, seeping into screw holes
n the wood under the aileron hinges?
im in central TX
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| From: | "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Can anyone tell me the diameter of 600-6 tires?
Thanks
Jack Textor
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| From: | Dave Nielsen <sentuchows(at)aol.com> |
15"
Dave Nielsen
sentuchows(at)aol.com
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tire size
Can anyone tell me the diameter of 600-6 tires?
hanks
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| Subject: | Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Terry,
I totally forgot to send you more pics of my door. If you look at the last pic
you will see a little of it on the R/S of the Fuse. We get in and out of my
plane on the R/S. I don't know why we do. Maybe from flying Cubs so much.
Any way I am suppose to fly down to French Valley tomorrow to visit their EAA
group and their Piet. I will try to take some more detailed pics then.
Did you end up purchasing the steel tube project?
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Engine Push Rod Length |
As you all may already know, this is my first go around with rebuilding my
own AC engine. I am learning new things about the A65 every day. I tend to
speed read through the manual trying to take it all in. Then I flip back an
d forth from the parts breakdown pages, the table of limits and the Trade A
Plane that have places selling parts.- Now that I am starting the overha
ul/reassembly process, I will take my time and READ the manual.- I have o
ther questions, but prior to posting, I will make sure the manual doesn't c
over it!
-
As with others, I agree these are some very well thought out engines...the
wide spec. range of the lifter/valve train assembly being one of them.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Crew,
I sent one crank shaft and one cam shaft on their way for inspection and re
quired maintenance, they should arrive by this time next week. After inspec
tion, I will get a call advising me of what needs to be done to the parts.
-
Monday or Tuesday, I will be taking a set of crank case halves and some oth
er parts to a local AC overhaul facility for cleaning as well as steel part
s for magnafluxing. Other items I am currently handling myself. I hope in a
bout two weeks, I can start some re-assembly.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Hello all hope you can help with a question. If you look at the attached
picture you will see the bolt holding my gear spring assembly together is
resting on the bolt head and nut. Should I use a longer bolt (rather not)
so the stress is on the bolt shaft? Or fashion a pin with cotter keys on
each end? If I do that should it be 4130 rod? I tried to cut the head off
an AN bolt tonight and they are hard! If I do the pin, should I harden
after cutting and drilling? Could it be soft steel? So many questions,
thanks for your expertise!
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Longer clevis pin, with washer and cotter on one end?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 4:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gear Question
Hello all hope you can help with a question. If you look at the attached
picture you will see the bolt holding my gear spring assembly together is
resting on the bolt head and nut. Should I use a longer bolt (rather not)
so the stress is on the bolt shaft? Or fashion a pin with cotter keys on
each end? If I do that should it be 4130 rod? I tried to cut the head off
an AN bolt tonight and they are hard! If I do the pin, should I harden
after cutting and drilling? Could it be soft steel? So many questions,
thanks for your expertise!
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
<<...>>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Progress |
| From: | Dave Nielsen <sentuchows(at)aol.com> |
Mike, I hope your engine project goes better then mine did. I took the engi
ne apart and did what you did. It took six weeks for them to call and tell
me my crank was cracked. Another three weeks to find and buy a second crank
. Back down to Texas with it and four weeks later they called and said the
need additional repair.
Then they sent the wrong bearings. I had to send them back and get the righ
t bearings. What a mess. It took until about a month ago to get it all back
together. Just a whole series of bad breaks. It started on the third blad
e. It sat there and ran, all the trouble was forgotten
Dave Nielsen
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Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:41 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Progress
Crew,
I sent one crank shaft and one cam shaft on their way for inspection and re
quired maintenance, they should arrive by this time next week. After inspec
tion, I will get a call advising me of what needs to be done to the parts.
Monday or Tuesday, I will be taking a set of crank case halves and some oth
er parts to a local AC overhaul facility for cleaning as well as steel part
s for magnafluxing. Other items I am currently handling myself. I hope in a
bout two weeks, I can start some re-assembly.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Thanks for all the encouragement boys, it's working!! |
Thanks all for your pics and stories. I especially appreciated Dan's personalized
video!!
Well, it has all helped light the fire under me for the big final push. got the
engine pretty much hooked up and once I get the pesky oil pressure hardware
in and hooked up, and some prop bolts I can do an engine run!!
Just want to run it while the fuse is bare so it's easy to fix any leaks or wiring
mistakes.
I anticipate being ready to run it within three weeks.
Then it's basically finishing all my little fixes and mods on the fuse, cover the
fuse and tail feathers, paint it and bolt her together!!
I'm really going to aim for a first flight early summer.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks for all the encouragement boys, it's working!! |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Douwe,
Can't wait to see her. This airplane I am sure will be one of the most beau
tiful and unique ever to grace the skies over Brodhead. I for one will grea
tly appreciate seeing it.
Dan Helsper
Purear, TN
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Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 7:58 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thanks for all the encouragement boys, it's workin
g!!
nk.net>
Thanks all for your pics and stories. I especially appreciated Dan's
ersonalized video!!
Well, it has all helped light the fire under me for the big final push. go
t the
ngine pretty much hooked up and once I get the pesky oil pressure hardware
in
nd hooked up, and some prop bolts I can do an engine run!!
Just want to run it while the fuse is bare so it's easy to fix any leaks or
iring mistakes.
I anticipate being ready to run it within three weeks.
Then it's basically finishing all my little fixes and mods on the fuse, cov
er
he fuse and tail feathers, paint it and bolt her together!!
I'm really going to aim for a first flight early summer.
Douwe
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Gear Question |
Gear QuestionJack, all the drawings I have seen use a longer bolt. Not
being a metalurgist I can't help with the pin bit. You're probably
going to cover the whole thing up with some sort of cover so why the
reluctance with using the longer bolt? That would be so much simpler.
C
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Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 7:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gear Question
Hello all hope you can help with a question. If you look at the
attached picture you will see the bolt holding my gear spring assembly
together is resting on the bolt head and nut. Should I use a longer
bolt (rather not) so the stress is on the bolt shaft? Or fashion a pin
with cotter keys on each end? If I do that should it be 4130 rod? I
tried to cut the head off an AN bolt tonight and they are hard! If I do
the pin, should I harden after cutting and drilling? Could it be soft
steel? So many questions, thanks for your expertise!
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | the small Continentals |
Jack wrote:
>when I rebuilt my A65 I was somewhat astonished at the level
>of sophistication the little engine has.
Right you are, Jack. I really love these small Continentals
and they continue to serve experimenters (and certified aircraft
manufacturers as well, in the O200), long after their designers
could have dreamed that they would.
As I wrote in my article about them in Contact! magazine, they
are reliable, simple, and straightforward engines but they
do have their quirks and weaknesses. I'm no expert on engines
in general, but I would have to agree with what one writer
said about the earliest of the genre, the A45, when he stated
that it may be one of the simplest 4-stroke engines ever devised.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
So i found a new carb for my A.. i had a tillotson and was having a little trouble
stating it and getting it down to a good idle.
I found some info on new model Zenith carbs and starting looking for one of two
or three models.
I picked up a new in the box Zenith 14995.. it has a better idle circuit from
what i understand and better float.. there are 3 fuel ports..one on the back and
one on each side..and the linkage can be attached on either side.. comes with
nice linkage arms too..
only took three blade and it fired right up.. way rich at first but a simple adjustment
and it was purring at 600rpm .. i was seeing about 1900 at full throttle..
i think the carb was a good purchase.
http://youtu.be/jWCVSiBuPxg
did a little fabric work too..
jeff
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Way cool Jeff. Sounds really nice and smooth (better than mine). That Zenit
h carb, it is new?, or a newer version of an old carb?
That 1900 RPM static I think is very good. Mine is 1860.
Also, looks as though we may yet have another Black and Yellow German comin
g down the line?..... Gene Rambo, you better hurry or you will be #3.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 26, 2012 3:33 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Carb
>
So i found a new carb for my A.. i had a tillotson and was having a little
rouble stating it and getting it down to a good idle.
found some info on new model Zenith carbs and starting looking for one of
two
r three models.
I picked up a new in the box Zenith 14995.. it has a better idle circuit f
rom
hat i understand and better float.. there are 3 fuel ports..one on the back
and
ne on each side..and the linkage can be attached on either side.. comes wit
h
ice linkage arms too..
only took three blade and it fired right up.. way rich at first but a simpl
e
djustment and it was purring at 600rpm .. i was seeing about 1900 at full
hrottle.. i think the carb was a good purchase.
http://youtu.be/jWCVSiBuPxg
did a little fabric work too..
jeff
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: the small Continentals |
To clarify, that would be the A-40. Chet Peek, author of the excellent
"The Pietenpol Story". He has also written a nice history of the A-40
entitled "Flying on 40 Horses". Like every one of his books, a good
read,
Ryan
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 26, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> I'm no expert on engines
>
> in general, but I would have to agree with what one writer
>
> said about the earliest of the genre, the A45, when he stated
>
> that it may be one of the simplest 4-stroke engines ever devised.
>
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
> Medford, OR
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
it is a new carb.. its made for industrial applications..
they have a replacement for the model a pn 13922 but i found this site..
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/durant/Tech/ZENITHcarinfo.htm
that explained some sizes.. and the model b ford garage site that showed sizes
of original zenith carbs..
the 14995 has a little bigger venturi but the bore where it mounts is the same
as the A carb.. same bolt holes too.
i found mine after a little searching on ebay.. but their is a site that has them
for sale... i'll dig it up
the new ones are lighter... aluminum..i think and after the easy start and adjustment
i had today i'm sold
I found mine for $175.... the other place i found had them for about 100 more
Dan my prop has less bite than yours.. 76-42 so maybe thats why i see more rpm..
And the color... its Charleston green.... really dark.. but not black ...its pretty
close to the engine green on an A and the tan is close to another model a
car color
I'm not gonna be blamed for stealing paint jobs
jeff
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Progress |
My fortune with both of these engines has been great so far, I hope that wi
ll continue through the processes I have to rely on others to do.- I like
to think I am in no hurry, but if things start to get dragged out...well..
.--
Michael Perez
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| Subject: | Radiator pressure |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Do you model A guys use a pressure radiator cap ??
i know the cars didn't
i had an old 16lb cap laying around and put it on the piet to run it and i'm getting
quite a bit of pressure i guess... its blowing over some water at high rpm..
I'm concerned that there could be a head gasket problem.. the oil is ok.. don't
see anything in the cylinders.. its not hot but its pushing a little water out..
just ran it again for a while.. never saw more than 165 deg
and its holding pressure still in the hangar..
jeff
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Gear Question |
How about adding a small sleeve that will space the bolt away?- see attac
hed drawing for rough idea.- =0A=0A=0AMike Groah=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________
___________________=0A From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@m
atronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 4:36 PM=0ASubject: Pieten
pol-List: Gear Question=0A =0A=0AGear Question =0AHelloallhope you can help
with a question.- If you look at the attached picture you will see the b
olt holding my gear spring assembly together is resting on the bolt head an
d nut.- Should I use a longer bolt (rather not) so the stress is on the b
olt shaft? Or fashion a pin with cotter keys on each end?- If I do that s
hould it be 4130 rod?- I tried to cut the head off an AN bolt tonight and
they are hard!- If I do the pin, should I harden after cutting and drill
ing?-Could it be soft steel?-So many questions, thanks for your experti
se!=0AJack Textor=0ADSM=0ANX1929T=0A<<...>>
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Gear Question |
Why not leave it as is and let the bolt head be more support. Just my 2 cents
worth--as stupid as it sounds. Gardiner
________________________________
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, February 27, 2012 11:47:20 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gear Question
How about adding a small sleeve that will space the bolt away? see attached
drawing for rough idea.
Mike Groah
________________________________
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 4:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gear Question
Gear Question
Helloallhope you can help with a question. If you look at the attached picture
you will see the bolt holding my gear spring assembly together is resting on the
bolt head and nut. Should I use a longer bolt (rather not) so the stress is on
the bolt shaft? Or fashion a pin with cotter keys on each end? If I do that
should it be 4130 rod? I tried to cut the head off an AN bolt tonight and they
are hard! If I do the pin, should I harden after cutting and drilling? Could it
be soft steel? So many questions, thanks for your expertise!
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
<<...>>
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| From: | "l.morlock" <l.morlock(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Radiator pressure |
I don't use a pressurized cap, same as the cars, and I don't recall seeing
anyone use one.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 11:37 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Radiator pressure
>
>
> Do you model A guys use a pressure radiator cap ??
> i know the cars didn't
> i had an old 16lb cap laying around and put it on the piet to run it and
> i'm getting quite a bit of pressure i guess... its blowing over some water
> at high rpm..
> I'm concerned that there could be a head gasket problem.. the oil is ok..
> don't see anything in the cylinders.. its not hot but its pushing a little
> water out..
>
> just ran it again for a while.. never saw more than 165 deg
> and its holding pressure still in the hangar..
>
> jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367364#367364
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator pressure |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jeff,
I have an overflow, outlet in the neck of the radiator. So far I always get
some blowing over of some water at full power. I think it is a function of
the water pump throwing the water up there. I restricted the fitting down
real small and that helped. I need to also create some kind of labyrinth to
lesson the amount.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:38 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Radiator pressure
>
Do you model A guys use a pressure radiator cap ??
know the cars didn't
had an old 16lb cap laying around and put it on the piet to run it and i'm
etting quite a bit of pressure i guess... its blowing over some water at hi
gh
pm..
'm concerned that there could be a head gasket problem.. the oil is ok.. do
n't
ee anything in the cylinders.. its not hot but its pushing a little water o
ut..
just ran it again for a while.. never saw more than 165 deg
nd its holding pressure still in the hangar..
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Question |
| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
What I did.
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PAPA MIKE
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| Subject: | Sun N Fun Question |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
I have never been to Sun N Fun. I think I may be down in that area for work through
Friday the 24th. Sun N Fun doesn't actually start until the 27th. Do any
of the Sun n Fun regulars on here know if there is much going on or any arrivals
on the Friday before. Thought I might drop by there if there was.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | SKIP GADD <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Question |
Don,
My calender says Friday is the 23rd. Cinda and I plan to arrive shortly after noon
Friday the 23. I think Dick N also plans to get there then. If you are in
the area call my cell, if you don't still have it let me know. We will just be
hanging out and setting up the wood shop. There will not be many venders around
then and the 4 main vender buildings will be closed. There will be some planes
there.
Skip
-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Emch <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
>Sent: Feb 27, 2012 1:51 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun N Fun Question
>
>
>I have never been to Sun N Fun. I think I may be down in that area for work through
Friday the 24th. Sun N Fun doesn't actually start until the 27th. Do
any of the Sun n Fun regulars on here know if there is much going on or any arrivals
on the Friday before. Thought I might drop by there if there was.
>
>Don Emch
>NX899DE
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367377#367377
>
>
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| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
Jeff,
What intake manifold are you running? Carb heat on full time?
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Question |
Have you guys got any Piet stuff planned for the shop this year?
-----Original Message-----
>From: SKIP GADD <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
>Sent: Feb 27, 2012 2:18 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun N Fun Question
>
>
>Don,
>My calender says Friday is the 23rd. Cinda and I plan to arrive shortly after
noon Friday the 23. I think Dick N also plans to get there then. If you are in
the area call my cell, if you don't still have it let me know. We will just be
hanging out and setting up the wood shop. There will not be many venders around
then and the 4 main vender buildings will be closed. There will be some planes
there.
>Skip
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Don Emch <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
>>Sent: Feb 27, 2012 1:51 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun N Fun Question
>>
>>
>>I have never been to Sun N Fun. I think I may be down in that area for work
through Friday the 24th. Sun N Fun doesn't actually start until the 27th. Do
any of the Sun n Fun regulars on here know if there is much going on or any arrivals
on the Friday before. Thought I might drop by there if there was.
>>
>>Don Emch
>>NX899DE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367377#367377
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Question |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Thanks Skip... I'd say you have the correct calendar. Don't know what I was looking
at. I just might give you a ring. Not sure just yet exactly what my schedule
will be. Really wishing I had to be there the following week.... [Rolling
Eyes]
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: good to see folks STICKING with it!!!!!! |
| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
Mike,
I have been at it for just over 12 years now. Seems like yesterday when I got the
plans from Don Pietenpol. I went into the man cave last weekend Friday morning
and came out Sunday night, with the result being that I am finally assembling
wings from ribs made in 1998.
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| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
Here is my motivation for finishing the piet. I designed and built these about
10 years ago specifically for the Piet. They will be finished with herringbone
mahogany planking.
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
its an A intake... with a wedge instead of cutting it..
I keep my eyes open for a B intake but no luck yet.
I do have full time heat..a muff on the front pipe
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l593/jfaithbass/IMG_20120208_110304.jpg
jeff
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| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
OK, I may try a stock "A" manifold this spring. I have a log type with the "B"
carb and can't get an idle below 700rpm without it quitting.
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Question |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Jack,
I would say that the arrangement in your photo is not ideal. I'm not crazy about
the idea of that washer acting on the nut and the head of the bolt. Best not
to impose bending loads on the bolt. Would be better to use a longer bolt, like
you say, but what would prevent the bolt from sliding over to one end or the
other?. I much prefer the arrangement shown in Mike's photo, with a sleeve,
and hole located away from the washer. That way the bolt is only loaded in shear.
The two designs (Bingelis and Buckeye) mentioned in this old thread utilize a similar method, with a sleeve. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329387#329387
Bill C.
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Radiator pressure |
I had the same problem with my Model A pickup. I took it by to show one
our local Model A experts, and he told me I was overfilling the
radiator. The water pump really throws a lot of water up into the neck
of the radiator, and the normal level is a lot lower than you may
think. I was having similar temps...never went above 160.
Ben
On 2/27/2012 11:37 AM, bender wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bender"
>
> Do you model A guys use a pressure radiator cap ??
> i know the cars didn't
> i had an old 16lb cap laying around and put it on the piet to run it and i'm
getting quite a bit of pressure i guess... its blowing over some water at high
rpm..
> I'm concerned that there could be a head gasket problem.. the oil is ok.. don't
see anything in the cylinders.. its not hot but its pushing a little water
out..
>
> just ran it again for a while.. never saw more than 165 deg
> and its holding pressure still in the hangar..
>
> jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367364#367364
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Terry,
Please email me at (pietman(at)qnet.com) I will then reply to you with all the pics
to took this morning. Your fuse looks great.
Regards,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | SKIP GADD <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Question |
Hi Jim,
Yes, two guys from SC are bringing materials for two Piet fuselages. We may be
a little busy.
Skip
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
>Sent: Feb 27, 2012 2:37 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun N Fun Question
>
>
>Have you guys got any Piet stuff planned for the shop this year?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: SKIP GADD <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
>>Sent: Feb 27, 2012 2:18 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun N Fun Question
>>
>>
>>Don,
>>My calender says Friday is the 23rd. Cinda and I plan to arrive shortly after
noon Friday the 23. I think Dick N also plans to get there then. If you are in
the area call my cell, if you don't still have it let me know. We will just
be hanging out and setting up the wood shop. There will not be many venders around
then and the 4 main vender buildings will be closed. There will be some planes
there.
>>Skip
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Don Emch <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
>>>Sent: Feb 27, 2012 1:51 PM
>>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun N Fun Question
>>>
>>>
>>>I have never been to Sun N Fun. I think I may be down in that area for work
through Friday the 24th. Sun N Fun doesn't actually start until the 27th. Do
any of the Sun n Fun regulars on here know if there is much going on or any
arrivals on the Friday before. Thought I might drop by there if there was.
>>>
>>>Don Emch
>>>NX899DE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367377#367377
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Question |
I don't think I will make it to sun n fun this year. Ya'll have fun. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Don Emch <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Sent: Mon, February 27, 2012 1:51:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun N Fun Question
I have never been to Sun N Fun. I think I may be down in that area for work
through Friday the 24th. Sun N Fun doesn't actually start until the 27th. Do
any of the Sun n Fun regulars on here know if there is much going on or any
arrivals on the Friday before. Thought I might drop by there if there was.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Various parts questions |
| From: | "jimbir" <jimbir(at)yahoo.com> |
We are building a Piet for static display. It has a straight (Jenny style) axle.
We're wondering if any one could email me some photos showing the attachment
of the gear, axle and shock cords along with drawings of the parts needed. we
would like to know how many feet of shock cord we need to buy.
We are in need of a carb, magneto, and an intake manifold for a Model A engine.
[u]None of these parts need to be serviceable[/u]. If you have any, please email
me your price.
My email address is: jimbir(at)yahoo.com
We have also rebuilt a 1917 Curtiss JN4 and have attached photos of the gear on
it for comparison to what might be on found a Piet.
--------
Thanks, Jim Birke
Niagara Frontier Vintage
Aircraft Group Assisting The
Niagara Aerospace Museum
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Question |
We have a Busy shop planned this year. P.F. Beck has 2 friends who want to
build fuselages and I will bring cap strip to build wing ribs. That all
should keep us all moving pretty well. Also I'm getting ready to leave
within the next week or so and I'll be there about a week early. It's kind
of nice to get there early and watch everything come together. my cell ph
#is 612-805-1742 for anyone coming looking for info or e mail me or Skip.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ash" <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun N Fun Question
>
> Have you guys got any Piet stuff planned for the shop this year?
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: SKIP GADD <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
>>Sent: Feb 27, 2012 2:18 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun N Fun Question
>>
>>
>>Don,
>>My calender says Friday is the 23rd. Cinda and I plan to arrive shortly
>>after noon Friday the 23. I think Dick N also plans to get there then. If
>>you are in the area call my cell, if you don't still have it let me know.
>>We will just be hanging out and setting up the wood shop. There will not
>>be many venders around then and the 4 main vender buildings will be
>>closed. There will be some planes there.
>>Skip
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Don Emch <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
>>>Sent: Feb 27, 2012 1:51 PM
>>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun N Fun Question
>>>
>>>
>>>I have never been to Sun N Fun. I think I may be down in that area for
>>>work through Friday the 24th. Sun N Fun doesn't actually start until the
>>>27th. Do any of the Sun n Fun regulars on here know if there is much
>>>going on or any arrivals on the Friday before. Thought I might drop by
>>>there if there was.
>>>
>>>Don Emch
>>>NX899DE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367377#367377
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Various parts questions |
Jim
25 ft. will cover it and give you a tail to hang onto at the end. Also you
can probably find most of that stuff you need at the parts mart at SNF.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "jimbir" <jimbir(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Various parts questions
>
> We are building a Piet for static display. It has a straight (Jenny style)
> axle. We're wondering if any one could email me some photos showing the
> attachment of the gear, axle and shock cords along with drawings of the
> parts needed. we would like to know how many feet of shock cord we need to
> buy.
>
> We are in need of a carb, magneto, and an intake manifold for a Model A
> engine. [u]None of these parts need to be serviceable[/u]. If you have
> any, please email me your price.
>
> My email address is: jimbir(at)yahoo.com
>
> We have also rebuilt a 1917 Curtiss JN4 and have attached photos of the
> gear on it for comparison to what might be on found a Piet.
>
> --------
> Thanks, Jim Birke
> Niagara Frontier Vintage
> Aircraft Group Assisting The
> Niagara Aerospace Museum
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367403#367403
>
>
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| From: | SKIP GADD <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Question |
I understand gardiner, we will miss seeing you at the wood shop.
Skip
-----Original Message-----
>From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Feb 27, 2012 7:07 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun N Fun Question
>
>
>I don't think I will make it to sun n fun this year. Ya'll have fun. Gardiner
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Don Emch <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Mon, February 27, 2012 1:51:38 PM
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun N Fun Question
>
>
>I have never been to Sun N Fun. I think I may be down in that area for work
>through Friday the 24th. Sun N Fun doesn't actually start until the 27th. Do
>any of the Sun n Fun regulars on here know if there is much going on or any
>arrivals on the Friday before. Thought I might drop by there if there was.
>
>Don Emch
>NX899DE
>
>
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| From: | Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
I appreciate your vote of confidence Dan H. "Re-Piet" will be a cool plane, but
my eye for detail won't be in the league of yours or some of you other guys.
She outta be pretty solid and useful though and will have a unique thirties,
"art-deco" feel.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Floor Bracing on extended fuselage |
| From: | "mhough" <mhough(at)bucksales.net> |
Hello everybody,
First time here. I am building the extended fuselage version of the Piet and am
confused about where to place the floor bracing. The original plans have the
side bracing and struts starting at 10" back. The extended version starts at
12" back. The orignial plans start the floor bracing with white ash 10" back.
I can not find where the floor bracing should be on the extended version. Seems
to me it should be at the 12" mark like the side bracing and struts. Any help
would be greatly appreciated!
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| Subject: | Re: the small Continentals |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Whoops! Right you are, Ryan... it's the A40, not A45. Wonderfully simple engine;
you can read a bit more about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_A-40
-OZ
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Floor Bracing on extended fuselage |
The floor cross members coincide with the fuselage uprights.
Where are you located?
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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From: "mhough" <mhough(at)bucksales.net>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 10:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Floor Bracing on extended fuselage
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> First time here. I am building the extended fuselage version of the Piet
> and am confused about where to place the floor bracing. The original plans
> have the side bracing and struts starting at 10" back. The extended
> version starts at 12" back. The orignial plans start the floor bracing
> with white ash 10" back.
> I can not find where the floor bracing should be on the extended version.
> Seems to me it should be at the 12" mark like the side bracing and struts.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>
>
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
I drive a 1930 AA and it won't idle as slow as the piet..
I'd bet there are are leaks around the throttle shaft in the carb i was using...
that seems to be a common idle prob.
I really thought about rebuilding the tillotson or a marvel i have around, then
decided why mess with an 80 year old carb when i can get a brand new carb with
better tolerances and now wear.
I'd bet your intake is fine..
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Floor Bracing on extended fuselage |
| From: | "mhough" <mhough(at)bucksales.net> |
Thanks Greg,
Every image I looked at has the braces lined up with the uprights, but I could
not confirm it on the drawings.
I am located in Waterford, Michigan. My home airport is PTK.
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Question |
| From: | Hans Van Der Voort <hvandervoo(at)aol.com> |
Jack
The print is right where I left it: http://mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesFil
es/Landing%20gear%20spring.pdf
And I use a AN 5 long bolt as seen on the print, 300+ landings.
Inspected every year.
Hans
NX15KV
Waller, TX
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From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 6:11 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gear Question
Thanks Bill, Chris and others for your thoughts! I used Han's design (can't
ocate the print currently). Think I will use a longer bolt. Or... a
ardened pin with cotter keys.
hanks again!
ack
Jack Textor
SM
X1929T
o not archive
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rom: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
ent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:14 PM
o: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
ubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gear Question
>
Jack,
I would say that the arrangement in your photo is not ideal. I'm not crazy
bout the idea of that washer acting on the nut and the head of the bolt.
est not to impose bending loads on the bolt. Would be better to use a
onger bolt, like you say, but what would prevent the bolt from sliding over
o one end or the other?. I much prefer the arrangement shown in Mike's
hoto, with a sleeve, and hole located away from the washer. That way the
olt is only loaded in shear.
he two designs (Bingelis and Buckeye) mentioned in this old thread utilize
similar method, with a sleeve.
ttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329387#329387
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Floor Bracing on extended fuselage |
| From: | Hans Van Der Voort <hvandervoo(at)aol.com> |
The floor braces are there to handle compression loads from the landing gea
r.
They should line up with the landing gear/ wing strut attach points,
Hans
NX15KV
Waller, TX
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From: mhough <mhough(at)bucksales.net>
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:33 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Floor Bracing on extended fuselage
Hello everybody,
First time here. I am building the extended fuselage version of the Piet a
nd am
onfused about where to place the floor bracing. The original plans have the
ide bracing and struts starting at 10" back. The extended version starts at
12"
ack. The orignial plans start the floor bracing with white ash 10" back.
can not find where the floor bracing should be on the extended version. Se
ems
o me it should be at the 12" mark like the side bracing and struts. Any he
lp
ould be greatly appreciated!
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| Subject: | Re: Floor Bracing on extended fuselage |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Hans is correct. Make sure the ash cross braces line up with the landing gear/wing
strut location. I had to add another piece for rear mount because the best
location is bisected by the rear seat.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/06010002.JPG
Chris
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| From: | Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | ford spewing water |
Did you up the forward steam relief tube to the "front" of the head. mine did
the same thing because I didn't think i needed to hook it up on the test stand
and it would do the "old faithful" geyser thing from time to time at high rpm.
it will definitely kick some out until the water level finds its' "happy place".
MOST guys do not use pressure caps with the thinking that the added pressure can
contribute to the occasional leaky or blown gasket somewhere in the system,
and it doesn't need it. I know one guy who put a relief valve in the rad cap
that was set at something like 3 lbs thinking that the pressure would help with
with cooler running, but would be low enough to not stress the system.
Douwe
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| Subject: | buying my first bit of wood. (probably a dumb question) |
| From: | "Lascaster" <lascaster(at)gmail.com> |
Hey guys, so I'm about to order my first lot of wood, I'm going to start with the
tail section. My question is, when I was looking for spruce at wicks and aircraft
spruce, all I see is cap strips. is all the wood considered cap strip
stock?
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| Subject: | Re: Model-A starting problem |
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
Well, after a lot of propping, adjustments, rebuilding a new temporary ignition
system, more propping and more adjustments plus following multiple paths of advise
and opinions, it finally happened. ANNA (name taken from serial number)
finally barked. My Model-A engine finally turned gasoline into noise and heat.
Thank you all for the ideas and suggestions.
And, as promised;
http://youtu.be/i8TkYaS0zmE
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Model-A starting problem |
BEAUTIFUL!! That model A sounds great.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: BYD <billsayre(at)ymail.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 21:07
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem
>
> Well, after a lot of propping, adjustments, rebuilding a new temporary ignition
system, more propping and more adjustments plus
> following multiple paths of advise and opinions, it finally
> happened. ANNA (name taken from serial number) finally barked. My
> Model-A engine finally turned gasoline into noise and heat. Thank
> you all for the ideas and suggestions.
>
> And, as promised;
>
> http://youtu.be/i8TkYaS0zmE
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367493#367493
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Model-A starting problem |
| From: | Brett Phillips <bphillip(at)shentel.net> |
Great video! It looks like a distributor was ultimately the weapon of choice.
During the last part I could almost watch the engine limber up as you propped
and propped and propped away. Give it a couple hours of running and it will feel
sloppy in comparison. Great job!
Brett Phillips
Strasburg, VA
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| Subject: | Re: Model-A starting problem |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Bill,
Terrific video. Needed a good laugh this morning. You got the right attitud
e. Never give up. Congratulations!!!!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: BYD <billsayre(at)ymail.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:01 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem
Well, after a lot of propping, adjustments, rebuilding a new temporary igni
tion
ystem, more propping and more adjustments plus following multiple paths of
dvise and opinions, it finally happened. ANNA (name taken from serial numb
er)
inally barked. My Model-A engine finally turned gasoline into noise and he
at.
hank you all for the ideas and suggestions.
And, as promised;
http://youtu.be/i8TkYaS0zmE
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Model-A starting problem |
TOTALLY AGREE!!! That was SO much fun! Gave me goose bumps....
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From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Feb 29, 2012 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem
Hi Bill,
Terrific video. Needed a good laugh this morning. You got the right attitude. Never
give up. Congratulations!!!!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: BYD <billsayre(at)ymail.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:01 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem
Well, after a lot of propping, adjustments, rebuilding a new temporary ignition
system, more propping and more adjustments plus following multiple paths of
advise and opinions, it finally happened. ANNA (name taken from serial number)
finally barked. My Model-A engine finally turned gasoline into noise and heat.
Thank you all for the ideas and suggestions.
And, as promised;
http://youtu.be/i8TkYaS0zmE
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| From: | Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Model-A starting problem. |
Ah-h-h-h Billy boy. A proper powerplant making proper noises on a proper ae
roplane is always a sweet thing- to witness. Your video was a wonderful w
ay to start my day, thank you for that.
I was distressed that you didn't follow my advice for your helpers however.
I remember specifically counselling you to use boys in their late teens to
early twenties as they are usually good for up to 45 minutes of hand-propp
ing whereas your choice of grey haired airport bums were probably only able
to pull that thing through 10-15 times before giving up. The young guys sn
ap the prop through much quicker too, which is how you get a magneto to put
out enough spark to light-off the engine..
All in fun, buddy. I'm really happy for you and I know that sharing the tri
als and eventual triumph with your friends at the airport is a large part o
f what sport flying rewards us with.
Congratulations.I'll see you soon-
Larry W. (Top Curmudgeon)
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| Subject: | Re: Model-A starting problem |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Nice work Jim. Wish I could have been there as you were at my place to
witness the first running of mine. However we crank-snapping corvair types
prefer exercising our minds rather than our backs when it comes time to
fly, we use a "relatively" modern invention called an electric starter
(actually first patented in 1911).
rick
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:37 AM, Jim Markle wrote:
> jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>
> TOTALLY AGREE!!! That was SO much fun! Gave me goose bumps....
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: helspersew(at)aol.com
> Sent: Feb 29, 2012 7:10 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Terrific video. Needed a good laugh this morning. You got the right
> attitude. Never give up. Congratulations!!!!!
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BYD <billsayre(at)ymail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:01 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem
>
>
> Well, after a lot of propping, adjustments, rebuilding a new temporary
> ignition
> system, more propping and more adjustments plus following multiple paths of
> advise and opinions, it finally happened. ANNA (name taken from serial
> number)
> finally barked. My Model-A engine finally turned gasoline into noise and
> heat.
> Thank you all for the ideas and suggestions.
>
> And, as promised;
>
> http://youtu.be/i8TkYaS0zmE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367493#367493
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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| From: | Hans Van Der Voort <hvandervoo(at)aol.com> |
I picked this up this morning on the Bearhawk list.
This guy has a few engines available that would be perfect for a Pietenpol
And at decent prices:
Forwarded message:
________________
As those of you who follow my posts probably know, I am being rather frugal
in
building my Patrol. I had purchased an engine (in my price range) from a gu
y in
Texas named Dan Martinez. He seemed like a great guy to deal with, and all
the
members of the EAA chapter in San Antonio I checked with said he was a grea
t
mechanic.
So I asked Dan if he would send me a list of the other things he was
currently selling. He send me a hand-written list (says he is not
computer-savvy) so I typed it out for him.
So if anyone in the group would be interested ... I placed the list on
my web server
http://poplar.us/DanMartinez.pdf
Bergy
_________________________
Hans
NX15KV
Waller, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Model-A starting problem |
| From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
Great job loved the video the airplane stuff wasn't bad either.
She sounds and looks great congrats
John
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 29, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Rick Holland wrote:
> Nice work Jim. Wish I could have been there as you were at my place to wit
ness the first running of mine. However we crank-snapping corvair types pref
er exercising our minds rather than our backs when it comes time to fly, we u
se a "relatively" modern invention called an electric starter (actually firs
t patented in 1911).
>
> rick
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:37 AM, Jim Markle wr
ote:
m>
>
> TOTALLY AGREE!!! That was SO much fun! Gave me goose bumps....
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: helspersew(at)aol.com
> Sent: Feb 29, 2012 7:10 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Terrific video. Needed a good laugh this morning. You got the right attitu
de. Never give up. Congratulations!!!!!
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BYD <billsayre(at)ymail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:01 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem
>
>
>
> Well, after a lot of propping, adjustments, rebuilding a new temporary ign
ition
> system, more propping and more adjustments plus following multiple paths o
f
> advise and opinions, it finally happened. ANNA (name taken from serial nu
mber)
> finally barked. My Model-A engine finally turned gasoline into noise and h
eat.
> Thank you all for the ideas and suggestions.
>
> And, as promised;
>
> http://youtu.be/i8TkYaS0zmE
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367493#367493
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising |
Just a thought, if I paint my Piet in the colors of my daughters company
with advertising on the sides for free would than be considered a commercial
use?
_http://mikebrandolino.suite101.com/gelato-di-babbo---small-town-product-wit
h-international-flair-a402254_
(http://mikebrandolino.suite101.com/gelato-di-babbo---small-town-product-with-international-flair-a402254)
It looks like she's going to be moving her product line into the Chicago,
Detroit and Midwest markets soon and maybe Florida. I think she needs a Piet
to advertise for her
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| Subject: | Re: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising |
| From: | "Kyle85" <boschkyle(at)hotmail.com> |
I am shooting from the hip here, but I believe as long as you are not receiving
Money or compensation you are fine to put whatever you want on your airplane. Again
this is very gray ie. you could go to a fly in and park your plane and sit
in front of it and get payed for having a display booth. Just make sure you
don't get paid while flying. Hope this helps
Kyle
--------
Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete the
flight.
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| Subject: | Piets in Sport Aviation |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Just skimming through the digital edition of Sport Aviation that arrived in my
inbox, and a photo of Matt Paxton flying his Piet caught my eye. And then, next
thing I know, there's a three page article written by Mark Chouinard, all about
vacuum bagging. Mark even gave a nod to the bagmaster himself, the illustrious
Mr. Markle.
That's got to be a thrill to have a photo of your airplane (that you built with
your own hands) appear in a magazine like this.
Nice going, gents.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Piets in Sport Aviation |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
The bagmaster... Ha!
I hope that the article reads well, and gives proper review of this neat process
that Jim shared with us. It really is a fun and easy method.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Model-A starting problem. |
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
Well Top Curmudgeon, I have found that when offering an opportunity to boys in
their late teens to early twenties, unless said opportunity involves an X-Box
or PS3 controller, they rarely have the interest or capability to achieve (there
are exceptions I just couldnt find any quickly enough). The gray haired airport
bums were at least enthusiastic although indeed, a few could not muster
the task at hand. They also come with a plethora of ideas, some of which seem
downright dangerous, that you didnt mention or warn me about. As illustrated
in the video, all worked out and indeed, the rewards were great.
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: Piets in Sport Aviation |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Mr. H. was always a hard sell... he had a screw or two loose.
But the Bagmaster is easily impressed.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Model-A starting problem |
Wow. What a beautiful sound.
You're going to love that airplane=2C and you will quickly forgive
her for all the pain she caused by wearing out all those starters
=3Bo)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford=2C OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Dang it Terry, ....I have a multiple-year contract with Mr. Loensloe to dis
play his ad, and BTW he is paying me huge sums to do it. Please nobody sque
el to the feds on this. I can really use the money right about now.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 7:36 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertis
ing
ail.com>
Good People,
I have spent way too much time this afternoon researching this, and if you
isagree, you won't hurt my feelings. I believe under the definition of
ommercial operation you are fine to paint it any way you want. The issue wi
th
ommercial use is this - are you paid in any way?
For instance, Tools Danford can teach his son to fly his Pietenpol, as long
as
ools pays for the gas, and he is not reimbursed in any way (not that his
eenage son is gonna pay him a dime!). If it is free, it ain't commercial
peration, according to the FAA.
I have attached a few links as well as a document I downloaded from AOPA. I
t is
OPA's info, and I give the full credit to them, so I hope they don't pop a
cork
f I make it available here.
In my opinion, paint it any way you want, as long as you are not paid IN AN
Y
AY.
I must say, though, I am not a lawyer, and I did not sleep in a Holiday Inn
xpress last night. [Laughing]
ommercial Operator. A person who, for compensation or hire, engages in the
arriage by aircraft in air commerce of persons or property, other than as a
n
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itle. Where it is doubtful that an operation is for =C3=A2=C2=C2=9Ccompe
nsation or hire=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D,
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erson's other business or is, in itself, a major enterprise for profit.
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perator receives direct or indirect payment for the operation. It is not
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ny
ntent or ability to make a profit. The compensation is not just limited to
onetary payments but includes anything of value. This broad definition of
ompensation has been affirmed and adopted by both the NTSB and the federal
ourts. Administrator v. Roundtree, 2 NTSB 1712 (1975); Administrator v. Mim
s,
TSB Order No. EA-3284, review denied 988 F.2d 1380; Consolidated Flower
hipments, Inc., Bay Area, 16 C.A.B. 804 (1953), aff'd. 213 F.2d 814 (2nd Ci
r.
954)."
ommercial Aeronautical Activity: Any aeronautical activity intended to secu
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ccomplished.
--------
o Not Archive
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Items in Sport Aviation |
Great article, Mark! Those struts are beautiful! Can't wait to see them on
a finished Piet.
Matt Paxton
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Interview with Kevin Purtee |
http://www.dvidshub.net/video/138535/chief-warrant-officer-kevin-purtee#.T0-
bNPGvJ8F
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Interview with Kevin Purtee |
| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
http://www.dvidshub.net/video/138545/michele-tumino#.T0-g-1FlrP0
Gary, how could you miss Kevin's other half Shelley?
Curt Merdan
NX*****
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Interview with Kevin Purtee |
Thank you Kevin, its nice to know a little history of peoples accomplishments.
Jim B.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Interview with Kevin Purtee |
I am even more honored now to know that my only Piet flight was provided by a bonafide
war hero. It's just a shame that they did not get your name right Axel.
(I am not worthy!)
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
>>> "Gary Boothe" 3/1/2012 9:54 AM >>>
http://www.dvidshub.net/video/138535/chief-warrant-officer-kevin-purtee#.T0-bNPGvJ8F
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Interview with Kevin Purtee |
Kevin,
SALUTE!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Interview with Kevin Purtee |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Agreed! Kevin, I'm grateful that guys like you fight for us.
Ken
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> Kevin,
>
> SALUTE!
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Progress on welded fuselage... |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Hello good Piet-ple...
A week ago I had Mike from "Ready Weld" come by for another all-day welding marathon.
He worked on the pilot and passenger control sticks, the passenger door
(heaven forbid!!), the tabs where the wood floor will bolt to the fuselage frame,
and the attach fittings for the seat belts & shoulder harnesses.
I have attached (hopefully) an image of the fuselage with the tabs jigged in place,
a picture of the door in the wooden jig, Mike welding away, and a couple
of the fuselage which is now further along.
Put it together, jig, take it apart, put it back together, take it back apart...
repeat until finished (ha!)
Lotsa funnn...!!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Continental engine cooling eyebrow drawings--inexpensive! |
| From: | "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Just a heads up. You must be a member to order the plans...
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 24, 2012, at 1:56 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP
]" wrote:
> Stumbled upon this at the Cub Club web site. This is a deal. This is f
or DRAWINGS.not the actual parts
> to make the cooling eyebrows.
>
> https://www.cub-club.com/blueprint/Blueprint%20Listing.10.pdf
>
> See page 3.
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
My new issue of Sport Aviation came today. There is a great pic of Matt
and his Piet. Good job Matt, pic is great.
Dick N.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Interview with Kevin Purtee |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
Now that is class- can't add anything more but it is good to know such capable
and honorable folks still serve every day. Raymond
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| From: | "Bob edson" <robertse(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | update on NX53WE |
Branson is still on the map.We got hit pretty hard down 76 highway with
a lot of businesses,motels and restaurants destroyed. Our piet has the
tail feathers and wings painted. I put the last fabric on the fuselage
saturday so now a little clean up and start the finish. Hoping to see
Brodhead this summer. The yellow and blue paint cannot be missed. Have
a nice day, Bob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum for cowl and forward deck? |
> Dear friends,
What type of aluminum have you folks been using for the cowl and forward
decking from the pilot's seat to the cowl? I have some .025 6061 T6, but
it may be too stiff. Any softer sheeting being used? I need to od=redr some
plywood and thought I would include this in the order.
Thanks so much,
Ray Krause
Sky Scout coming along.
>
> >
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum for cowl and forward deck? |
Hi Ray,
I used 2024 T3 0.025 for my cowlings and will also for the engine cowling.
Jim B.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum for cowl and forward deck? |
Thanks, Jim. I guess it was easy to work.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Boyer
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum for cowl and forward deck?
Hi Ray,
I used 2024 T3 0.025 for my cowlings and will also for the engine
cowling.
Jim B.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Aluminum for cowl and forward deck? |
That's what I had, and used, Ray. .025 isn't too bad to work with, but I
wouldn't have used 6061 if I didn't already have it.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum for cowl and forward deck?
-->
> Dear friends,
What type of aluminum have you folks been using for the cowl and forward
decking from the pilot's seat to the cowl? I have some .025 6061 T6, but
it may be too stiff. Any softer sheeting being used? I need to od=redr some
plywood and thought I would include this in the order.
Thanks so much,
Ray Krause
Sky Scout coming along.
>
> >
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Aluminum for cowl and forward deck? |
I used the same as Jim. 0.025" 2024-T3
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum for cowl and forward deck?
Hi Ray,
I used 2024 T3 0.025 for my cowlings and will also for the engine cowling.
Jim B.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum for cowl and forward deck? |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Ray,
I used .032 3003 for the front engine cowl pieces. Soft enough to make a fe
w bump-outs and bends I needed. Then I used .025 2024 from in front of the
the radiator back to just behind the front cabane struts. Then changed to
.032 2024 to surround both cockpits (stiff and tough for inadvertant abuse)
. 2024 is fine for simple curving, but compound curves need a softer alloy.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2012 9:15 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum for cowl and forward deck?
et>
> Dear friends,
What type of aluminum have you folks been using for the cowl and forward
ecking from the pilot's seat to the cowl? I have some .025 6061 T6, but
t may be too stiff. Any softer sheeting being used? I need to od=redr som
e
lywood and thought I would include this in the order.
Thanks so much,
Ray Krause
ky Scout coming along.
>
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum for cowl and forward deck? |
I would ask if you plan to shape any of these parts. If not, then what you've got
is probably ok. If you plan on forming it, I'd go with 3003. 6061 wouldn't
be my first choice for formability. ASS has a neat little summary chart in their
catalogs:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pdf/aluminumalloy.pdf
Note the 'Cold Workability' column. 1100 (pure Al), is the easiest to work, but
it's not real strong. 3003 is still easy to work (only a nudge more difficult
than 1100), but it's stronger.
Regardless if you're forming or not, when you're doing tight bends, watch your
bend radius, especially if you're using thicker sheet.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
>Sent: Mar 4, 2012 10:14 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum for cowl and forward deck?
>
>
>> Dear friends,
>
>What type of aluminum have you folks been using for the cowl and forward
>decking from the pilot's seat to the cowl? I have some .025 6061 T6, but
>it may be too stiff. Any softer sheeting being used? I need to od=redr some
>plywood and thought I would include this in the order.
>
>Thanks so much,
>
>
>Ray Krause
>Sky Scout coming along.
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | How should I..... |
| From: | "Kyle85" <boschkyle(at)hotmail.com> |
Friends,
My wing center section is going to be a storage compartment. Before I drill any
holes in my spar I was wondering the best method for attaching my piano hinge
to the backside of my fwd spar?
Thanks,
Kyle
--------
Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete the
flight.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | center section storage lid hinge-to-front spar |
Kyle,
I just drilled a few pilot holes for some truss-head wood screws to attach
my
hinged cover for the center section storage compartment. The other 1/2 of
my
hinge is riveted to the aluminum cover.
Mike C.
for more photos please see: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy
%20A-65%20Piet/mike_cuy_2.htm
(Thank you Chris Tracy!!!!)
[cid:image003.jpg(at)01CCFAD1.6EDB0CA0]
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | In Carrollton for a couple days...today.... |
Sorry for the short notice but I ended up on a quick trip to Carrollton GA....and
I'm in Carrollton now..leaving on Thursday...
And would love to meet up for some Piet talk, dinner, whatever.
Jim Markle
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum for cowl and forward deck? |
Thanks, everybody for the fast responses. I will be ordering today. More
money for ASS!
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ash" <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 6:21 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum for cowl and forward deck?
>
> I would ask if you plan to shape any of these parts. If not, then what
> you've got is probably ok. If you plan on forming it, I'd go with 3003.
> 6061 wouldn't be my first choice for formability. ASS has a neat little
> summary chart in their catalogs:
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pdf/aluminumalloy.pdf
>
> Note the 'Cold Workability' column. 1100 (pure Al), is the easiest to
> work, but it's not real strong. 3003 is still easy to work (only a nudge
> more difficult than 1100), but it's stronger.
>
> Regardless if you're forming or not, when you're doing tight bends, watch
> your bend radius, especially if you're using thicker sheet.
>
> Jim Ash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
>>Sent: Mar 4, 2012 10:14 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum for cowl and forward deck?
>>
>>
>>
>>> Dear friends,
>>
>>What type of aluminum have you folks been using for the cowl and forward
>>decking from the pilot's seat to the cowl? I have some .025 6061 T6, but
>>it may be too stiff. Any softer sheeting being used? I need to od=redr
>>some
>>plywood and thought I would include this in the order.
>>
>>Thanks so much,
>>
>>
>>
>>Ray Krause
>>Sky Scout coming along.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | In Carrollton for a couple days...today.... |
Jim
The Big Piet Builders are on another project and our work night is Monday
(tomight)
We would love for you to come out and hang with us. We work from 6:30 till
we get tired. We could even see some Big Piets.
Why don't you call me and we can meet. I leave my office around 4:30.
Barry Davis
770-301-8087
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 1:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: In Carrollton for a couple days...today....
-->
Sorry for the short notice but I ended up on a quick trip to Carrollton
GA....and I'm in Carrollton now..leaving on Thursday...
And would love to meet up for some Piet talk, dinner, whatever.
Jim Markle
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | In Carrollton for a couple days...today.... |
Sounds great...but I would prefer running by the hotel and putting on some jeans
and a work shirt....if you would consider letting me do some work...
I'll call you after work...I'll probably work until around 5...
Thanks Barry!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Barry Davis <bed(at)mindspring.com>
>Sent: Mar 5, 2012 2:22 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: In Carrollton for a couple days...today....
>
>
>Jim
>The Big Piet Builders are on another project and our work night is Monday
>(tomight)
>We would love for you to come out and hang with us. We work from 6:30 till
>we get tired. We could even see some Big Piets.
>Why don't you call me and we can meet. I leave my office around 4:30.
>Barry Davis
>770-301-8087
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
>Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 1:22 PM
>To: Pietenpol List
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: In Carrollton for a couple days...today....
>
>-->
>
>Sorry for the short notice but I ended up on a quick trip to Carrollton
>GA....and I'm in Carrollton now..leaving on Thursday...
>
>And would love to meet up for some Piet talk, dinner, whatever.
>
>Jim Markle
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: center section storage lid hinge-to-front spar |
| From: | "Kyle85" <boschkyle(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks Mike! I wasn't sure if I was going to use truss screws like you did or #8
machine screws with blind nut plates. I think your method will be my weapon
of choice. .
Thanks again!
Kyle
--------
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flight.
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| From: | "Sutton, Mark" <msutton(at)unitedwayatlanta.org> |
| Subject: | In Carrollton for a couple days...today.... |
Barry, I'm a Piet builder over in Locust Grove Ga. Would love to get some advice
on finishing my project, can't make this Monday nite but would love to next
Monday nite. Is that alright?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:23 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: In Carrollton for a couple days...today....
Jim
The Big Piet Builders are on another project and our work night is Monday
(tomight)
We would love for you to come out and hang with us. We work from 6:30 till we get
tired. We could even see some Big Piets.
Why don't you call me and we can meet. I leave my office around 4:30.
Barry Davis
770-301-8087
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 1:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: In Carrollton for a couple days...today....
-->
Sorry for the short notice but I ended up on a quick trip to Carrollton GA....and
I'm in Carrollton now..leaving on Thursday...
And would love to meet up for some Piet talk, dinner, whatever.
Jim Markle
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: center section storage lid hinge-to-front spar |
I should know, but don't remember what a truss-head screw is. Could you
enlighten me? Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 1:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: center section storage lid hinge-to-front
spar
Kyle,
I just drilled a few pilot holes for some truss-head wood screws to
attach my
hinged cover for the center section storage compartment. The other
1/2 of my
hinge is riveted to the aluminum cover.
Mike C.
for more photos please see:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/mike_cuy_2.h
tm
(Thank you Chris Tracy!!!!)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | In Carrollton for a couple days...today.... |
Would enjoy you coming out to Carrollton. Just call me and we can arrange to
meet.
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sutton, Mark
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 4:30 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: In Carrollton for a couple days...today....
-->
Barry, I'm a Piet builder over in Locust Grove Ga. Would love to get some
advice on finishing my project, can't make this Monday nite but would love
to next Monday nite. Is that alright?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:23 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: In Carrollton for a couple days...today....
Jim
The Big Piet Builders are on another project and our work night is Monday
(tomight)
We would love for you to come out and hang with us. We work from 6:30 till
we get tired. We could even see some Big Piets.
Why don't you call me and we can meet. I leave my office around 4:30.
Barry Davis
770-301-8087
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 1:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: In Carrollton for a couple days...today....
-->
Sorry for the short notice but I ended up on a quick trip to Carrollton
GA....and I'm in Carrollton now..leaving on Thursday...
And would love to meet up for some Piet talk, dinner, whatever.
Jim Markle
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: center section storage lid hinge-to-front spar |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Chuck,
Truss head screws have a larger head diameter, and lower profile than round head
screws. They provide more bearing surface under the head, and protrude less.
I've attached a handy old handmade chart that I used to use for drafting - back
in the days when screws were drawn by hand (instead of computer).
Bill C.
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | In Carrollton for a couple days...today.... |
Mark, I am rebuoilding my piet at the Lagrange airport. I would also like to meet
sometime. Gardiner Mason
--- On Mon, 3/5/12, Sutton, Mark wrote:
> From: Sutton, Mark <msutton(at)unitedwayatlanta.org>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: In Carrollton for a couple days...today....
> To: "'pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com'"
> Date: Monday, March 5, 2012, 4:30 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "Sutton, Mark"
>
> Barry, I'm a Piet builder over in Locust Grove
> Ga. Would love to get some advice on finishing my
> project, can't make this Monday nite but would love to next
> Monday nite. Is that alright?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of Barry Davis
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:23 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: In Carrollton for a couple
> days...today....
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>
> Jim
> The Big Piet Builders are on another project and our work
> night is Monday
> (tomight)
> We would love for you to come out and hang with us. We work
> from 6:30 till we get tired. We could even see some Big
> Piets.
> Why don't you call me and we can meet. I leave my office
> around 4:30.
> Barry Davis
> 770-301-8087
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: In Carrollton for a couple
> days...today....
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> Sorry for the short notice but I ended up on a quick trip to
> Carrollton GA....and I'm in Carrollton now..leaving on
> Thursday...
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> And would love to meet up for some Piet talk, dinner,
> whatever.
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> Jim Markle
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| Subject: | My continental twirling muscle is sore. |
| From: | Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com> |
Time to roll the dice an reveal my ignorance in public. First the story,
then questions: I rolled the airplane out of the garage on Saturday night
to run the engine for the first time in a few years since it has been down
for repairs. Having pulled the engine through a few times to make sure
things were lubricated, I switched on the left mag and gave the prop a
turn. I repeated the process, a lot. The engine did not start or even act
like it might. A whiff of the exhaust led me to believe that there was a
fuel mixture reaching the cylinders, so I turned my attention to the
ignition system. I decided to check the grounding of the p-leads and was
alarmed (initially) that I found continuity between the post and the case.
Removing the leads showed me the switch was good. In my state of alarm I
took the top off the left mag to check for a short, cracking the sight
window in the process. As I probed around in there, It occurred to me that
there could be an inductive coupling to the case. A check of a general
schematic supported that Idea. Rats, cracked window for what. A few
youtube videos later I started wondering if something was wrong with the
impulse coupling. Turning the prop yielded no audible click. Hmm.
Thinking back, it seems other experienced pilots have seemed to have
struggles starting my airplane, back before I had to fix it. They'd give
it a few turns and express some dismay, Then I'd have them hold the
airplane while I gave it my usual mighty heave (I've never known anything
different, but sometimes it would be enough to get a full turn out of the
prop.) So the possibility that I've never had a functional impulse
coupling has now entered my head...
Questions:
--What can I use for or where can I get a timing sight window (and while
I'm at it a lid gasket and other sundry parts) for m SF4RN
--Should I be able to hear the impulse coupling click when pulling the
propeller around?
-- I could stick a bolt in a high tension terminal and feel for a shock,
should that give me confidence that the mag is otherwise functional, or
should I pull a plug and see if it sparks?
--How likely is it that my cores need to be re-magnitized.
Thanks for the help...
--
Andrew Eldredge
Provo, UT
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum for cowl and forward deck? |
Yes, you can cut it easily with tin snips.
Jim B.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: My continental twirling muscle is sore. |
Some planes only had the impulse coupling on one Mag. Not sure why or what planes.
But I have heard some old pilots/mechanics mention it.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com>
Date: Monday, March 5, 2012 18:05
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My continental twirling muscle is sore.
> Time to roll the dice an reveal my ignorance in public. First the
> story,then questions: I rolled the airplane out of the garage on
> Saturday night
> to run the engine for the first time in a few years since it has
> been down
> for repairs. Having pulled the engine through a few times to make
> surethings were lubricated, I switched on the left mag and gave the
> prop a
> turn. I repeated the process, a lot. The engine did not start or
> even act
> like it might. A whiff of the exhaust led me to believe that there
> was a
> fuel mixture reaching the cylinders, so I turned my attention to the
> ignition system. I decided to check the grounding of the p-leads
> and was
> alarmed (initially) that I found continuity between the post and
> the case.
> Removing the leads showed me the switch was good. In my state of
> alarm I
> took the top off the left mag to check for a short, cracking the sight
> window in the process. As I probed around in there, It occurred to
> me that
> there could be an inductive coupling to the case. A check of a
> generalschematic supported that Idea. Rats, cracked window for
> what. A few
> youtube videos later I started wondering if something was wrong
> with the
> impulse coupling. Turning the prop yielded no audible click. Hmm.
> Thinking back, it seems other experienced pilots have seemed to have
> struggles starting my airplane, back before I had to fix it.
> They'd give
> it a few turns and express some dismay, Then I'd have them hold the
> airplane while I gave it my usual mighty heave (I've never known
> anythingdifferent, but sometimes it would be enough to get a full
> turn out of the
> prop.) So the possibility that I've never had a functional impulse
> coupling has now entered my head...
>
> Questions:
> --What can I use for or where can I get a timing sight window
> (and while
> I'm at it a lid gasket and other sundry parts) for m SF4RN
> --Should I be able to hear the impulse coupling click when
> pulling the
> propeller around?
> -- I could stick a bolt in a high tension terminal and feel for
> a shock,
> should that give me confidence that the mag is otherwise
> functional, or
> should I pull a plug and see if it sparks?
> --How likely is it that my cores need to be re-magnitized.
>
> Thanks for the help...
> --
> Andrew Eldredge
> Provo, UT
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: My continental twirling muscle is sore. |
| From: | Steve <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
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| Subject: | Re: In Carrollton for a couple days...today.... |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Jim,
I'm probably an hour and a half to an hour and forty five north of you, but you're
welcome to come up and see my shop and Piet. If the wx is good, we could
go for a ride!
I'm in Detroit at the moment but should be home before thursday (possibly tomorrow).
Give me a shout and let me know if you might be interested.
The plane is based in Lafayette GA (9a5) and I live in Chickamauga GA, just a few
miles north of that.
Tools, 423 580 1383 (aka Mike and I'm still up and will be a for a few hours)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367823#367823
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| Subject: | Re: Sport Aviation - Mark's Struts |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Thanks Gary!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367827#367827
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My continental twirling muscle is sore. |
Some planes had/have none. When I lived in Illinois, I volunteered for the Young
Eagles rallies at Aurora a few times. My plane was elsewhere, so I did ground
support. Sometimes they had a dozen or two aircraft on three or four lines on
the ramp, and flew between 200 and 300 kids in the course of 3 or 4 hours; it
was a big affair. Only a few of us on ground crew knew how to hand-prop a plane,
so we were a little busier than most.
We had a guy who used to show up with a Cub sometimes, with no impulse couplings.
With his engine hot (which was pretty much all the time), it was a bear to
start. There was a sweet spot between none and flooding as to how much primer
he used. If he missed it, you could pull until your arms fell off and nothing
would happen. At least it was an A-65 and not something bigger. I remember once
in the summer standing on the hot ramp and wailing away at it. His starter motor
was about ready to overheat and fail when the engine finally caught. I was
about ready to invite the pilot to start his own engine while I temporarily
manned the controls, as an encouragement to put an impulse coupling on a mag.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
>Sent: Mar 5, 2012 8:56 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My continental twirling muscle is sore.
>
>
>Some planes only had the impulse coupling on one Mag. Not sure why or what planes.
But I have heard some old pilots/mechanics mention it.
>
>Blue Skies,
>Steve D
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com>
>Date: Monday, March 5, 2012 18:05
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: My continental twirling muscle is sore.
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
>> Time to roll the dice an reveal my ignorance in public. First the
>> story,then questions: I rolled the airplane out of the garage on
>> Saturday night
>> to run the engine for the first time in a few years since it has
>> been down
>> for repairs. Having pulled the engine through a few times to make
>> surethings were lubricated, I switched on the left mag and gave the
>> prop a
>> turn. I repeated the process, a lot. The engine did not start or
>> even act
>> like it might. A whiff of the exhaust led me to believe that there
>> was a
>> fuel mixture reaching the cylinders, so I turned my attention to the
>> ignition system. I decided to check the grounding of the p-leads
>> and was
>> alarmed (initially) that I found continuity between the post and
>> the case.
>> Removing the leads showed me the switch was good. In my state of
>> alarm I
>> took the top off the left mag to check for a short, cracking the sight
>> window in the process. As I probed around in there, It occurred to
>> me that
>> there could be an inductive coupling to the case. A check of a
>> generalschematic supported that Idea. Rats, cracked window for
>> what. A few
>> youtube videos later I started wondering if something was wrong
>> with the
>> impulse coupling. Turning the prop yielded no audible click. Hmm.
>> Thinking back, it seems other experienced pilots have seemed to have
>> struggles starting my airplane, back before I had to fix it.
>> They'd give
>> it a few turns and express some dismay, Then I'd have them hold the
>> airplane while I gave it my usual mighty heave (I've never known
>> anythingdifferent, but sometimes it would be enough to get a full
>> turn out of the
>> prop.) So the possibility that I've never had a functional impulse
>> coupling has now entered my head...
>>
>> Questions:
>> --What can I use for or where can I get a timing sight window
>> (and while
>> I'm at it a lid gasket and other sundry parts) for m SF4RN
>> --Should I be able to hear the impulse coupling click when
>> pulling the
>> propeller around?
>> -- I could stick a bolt in a high tension terminal and feel for
>> a shock,
>> should that give me confidence that the mag is otherwise
>> functional, or
>> should I pull a plug and see if it sparks?
>> --How likely is it that my cores need to be re-magnitized.
>>
>> Thanks for the help...
>> --
>> Andrew Eldredge
>> Provo, UT
>
>
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: In Carrollton for a couple days...today.... |
Tools! thanks for the offer! I'm leaving out of Atlanta at 5am on Thursday morning
so Lafayette will be a bit too far this time around....especially as late
as this customer is keeping me onsite!
I come through Atlanta fairly often and you have now been moved to the top of my
list for a visit next time I'm here....like it or not! :-)
Thank you.
JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: tools <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
>Sent: Mar 5, 2012 10:54 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: In Carrollton for a couple days...today....
>
>
>Jim,
>
>I'm probably an hour and a half to an hour and forty five north of you, but you're
welcome to come up and see my shop and Piet. If the wx is good, we could
go for a ride!
>
>I'm in Detroit at the moment but should be home before thursday (possibly tomorrow).
Give me a shout and let me know if you might be interested.
>
>The plane is based in Lafayette GA (9a5) and I live in Chickamauga GA, just a
few miles north of that.
>
>Tools, 423 580 1383 (aka Mike and I'm still up and will be a for a few hours)
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367823#367823
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: In Carrollton for a couple days...today.... |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I like it! Looking good so far to head home today. If tomorrow is just one of
those exception nice days, I wouldn't mind flying south to meet you somewhere
as well. Haven't taken her anywhere but local since the big journey home. Just
sitting here in a lounge on short call, don't really have anything better
to do than go play around on runwayfinder... see what's on the way. When I'm home,
I'm just home, no work schedule to work around on those days.
I have a very eclectic schedule, so just call and see if I'm around next time around
or whenever. I'm not the type who needs advance notice, however, if you
do know ahead of time, I can try to play with my sked to increase the odds of
being there.
Cheers,
Tools, or Notools, or Notyetools, or whatever!
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367852#367852
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: In Carrollton for a couple days...today.... |
Wow another Piet close by!
You could fly to Carrollton this Saturday, we are flying 125 or so Young
Eagles (if the weather holds). Or we might fly up to see you at another
time. Don't think we could get lost as it is just up US Hwy 27.
Barry Davis
NX973BP
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Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 9:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: In Carrollton for a couple days...today....
I like it! Looking good so far to head home today. If tomorrow is just one
of those exception nice days, I wouldn't mind flying south to meet you
somewhere as well. Haven't taken her anywhere but local since the big
journey home. Just sitting here in a lounge on short call, don't really
have anything better to do than go play around on runwayfinder... see what's
on the way. When I'm home, I'm just home, no work schedule to work around on
those days.
I have a very eclectic schedule, so just call and see if I'm around next
time around or whenever. I'm not the type who needs advance notice,
however, if you do know ahead of time, I can try to play with my sked to
increase the odds of being there.
Cheers,
Tools, or Notools, or Notyetools, or whatever!
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| Subject: | Re: My continental twirling muscle is sore. |
| From: | Dave Nielsen <sentuchows(at)aol.com> |
Andrew, Most SF4RN-8 Mags do not have a impulse coupling. There were a few
but not many. If you hear a clank in the engine as it turns over then you h
ave an impulse. If no clank you don't have an impulse. You will have to mod
ify your Armstrong starter procedure. It requires a good hard twist to get
the most fire outta you mags. Good luck Bro.
Dave
Dave Nielsen
sentuchows(at)aol.com
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From: Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 5, 2012 6:58 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My continental twirling muscle is sore.
Time to roll the dice an reveal my ignorance in public. First the story, t
hen questions: I rolled the airplane out of the garage on Saturday night t
o run the engine for the first time in a few years since it has been down f
or repairs. Having pulled the engine through a few times to make sure thin
gs were lubricated, I switched on the left mag and gave the prop a turn. I
repeated the process, a lot. The engine did not start or even act like it
might. A whiff of the exhaust led me to believe that there was a fuel mix
ture reaching the cylinders, so I turned my attention to the ignition syste
m. I decided to check the grounding of the p-leads and was alarmed (initia
lly) that I found continuity between the post and the case. Removing the l
eads showed me the switch was good. In my state of alarm I took the top of
f the left mag to check for a short, cracking the sight window in the proce
ss. As I probed around in there, It occurred to me that there could be an
inductive coupling to the case. A check of a general schematic supported t
hat Idea. Rats, cracked window for what. A few youtube videos later I sta
rted wondering if something was wrong with the impulse coupling. Turning t
he prop yielded no audible click. Hmm. Thinking back, it seems other exper
ienced pilots have seemed to have struggles starting my airplane, back befo
re I had to fix it. They'd give it a few turns and express some dismay, Th
en I'd have them hold the airplane while I gave it my usual mighty heave (I
've never known anything different, but sometimes it would be enough to get
a full turn out of the prop.) So the possibility that I've never had a fu
nctional impulse coupling has now entered my head...
Questions:
--What can I use for or where can I get a timing sight window (and while
I'm at it a lid gasket and other sundry parts) for m SF4RN
--Should I be able to hear the impulse coupling click when pulling the p
ropeller around?
-- I could stick a bolt in a high tension terminal and feel for a shock,
should that give me confidence that the mag is otherwise functional, or sh
ould I pull a plug and see if it sparks?
--How likely is it that my cores need to be re-magnitized.
Thanks for the help...
--
Andrew Eldredge
Provo, UT
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Bendix magneto starting issues |
Andrew,
Sorry to hear you're having starting issues. Dumb question but did you
try starting the engine on the R mag only? Most small non-electric
Continentals use an impulse on the L mag and non-impulse on the right and t
hat's the way my Piet is setup but I always start on both because
it just starts easier that way.
You may in fact have an impulse mag on the L but the spring may be broken.
A photo of the spring is shown in this web page.
http://www.sacskyranch.com/bendix.htm
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Bendix magneto starting issues |
| From: | Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com> |
I did not try starting on the right mag only, but I did give it a few turns
on "both."
What are the consequences in terms of materials/tools needed if I decide to
pull a mag to inspect for the coupling. Listening while the engine turns,
I can hear air leaking around a bit and what sounds like the valve trains
moving around, but no click or anything like what I think the coupling
should sound like.
Thanks,
Andrew
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] wrote:
> Andrew, ****
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> ** **
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> Sorry to hear you=92re having starting issues. Dumb question but did
you
> try starting the engine on the R mag only? Most small non-electric**
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> Continentals use an impulse on the L mag and non-impulse on the right and
> that=92s the way my Piet is setup but I always start on both because****
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> it just starts easier that way. ****
>
> ** **
>
> You may in fact have an impulse mag on the L but the spring may be
> broken. A photo of the spring is shown in this web page. ****
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.sacskyranch.com/bendix.htm****
>
> ** **
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> Mike C. ****
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Andrew Eldredge
Provo, UT
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bendix magneto starting issues |
Andrew, I have not worked on any magnetos since my A&P school years ago, ho
wever, I WILL be soon as I go through and rebuild my engine. Do you have an
overhaul/rebuild manual for your specific mag.?- From what I have seen i
n my manuals, ( Eisemann )fixing/repairing mags. is pretty straight forward
. I bet you could fix what ails your mag.(s) no problem.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Bendix magneto starting issues |
In the "real" plane world (Certified.) There can be only one. Slick seems to have
taken over the world.
My buddies 65HP Champ Had bendix mags. We could not find parts for them to overhaul
them. So he bought new slick mags, wire harnesses, and plugs. Sure runs good.Sure
was expensive (I think about $2300 after core exchange.)
TCM (Continental) owns Bendix but seems to not be producing parts.
Champion spark plugs owns Slick.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 17:13
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bendix magneto starting issues
> Andrew, I have not worked on any magnetos since my A&P school years
> ago, however, I WILL be soon as I go through and rebuild my engine.
> Do you have an overhaul/rebuild manual for your specific mag.?
> From what I have seen in my manuals, ( Eisemann )fixing/repairing
> mags. is pretty straight forward. I bet you could fix what ails
> your mag.(s) no problem.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bendix magneto starting issues |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
As Mike says, mags really are pretty simple devices. They come apart in a straight
forward manner and actually do have a set of internal points like older cars
for what is called "internal" timing. Remember "dwell"? In any event, the
shop manual will tell you how to take them apart, inspect, and reassemble.
Magnetos are very similar to the kind of ignition systems many of us grew up playing
with in cars. A magnetic field is created in a coil and its collapse generates
a spark. With cars, the power to create this field comes from the battery.
In magnetos, the field is generated internally by what amounts to a permanent
magnet generator. Same field collapsing principle creating a high voltage
spark but the power source is different. In both cars and aircraft magnetos,
this collapse is triggered by points. With cars, you effectively set the
timing twice -- first internally by setting the points gap -- aka dwell -- and
second externally by setting the distributor. Same with magnetos. You set the
points and then set the external timing.
In both cases the points have a capacitor across them to absorb the voltage spike
when the points open and that prevents the points from burning up in a tiny
imitation of an arc welder. Note that a defective condenser will mess up the
process if it's either open ("not condensing") and causing the points to burn
up, or if it's shorted out keeping the points from doing anything productive.
I've seen both in the venerable Lucas ignition systems well known by fans of
English cars, but I digress.
The point of this rather long post is that it's probably worthwhile looking deeper
into the guts of the magneto rather than fixating on the impulse coupling.
If you've got it out, there's no excuse not to.
Dave
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bendix magneto starting issues |
Breaker points short out the condenser (capacitor) when closed. This allows the
battery to directly (through a resistor, technically) 'charge' the coil, using
the dc electricity from the battery to build up a magnetic field in the coil.
In a magneto-driven system, the magnet wizzing by the coil induces an electric
current in the coil when the points are closed, which in turn creates its own
magnetic field. For this part of the discussion the coil behaves like an inductor.
Inductors store energy using a magnetic field.
In either system, it takes time to build up that magnetic field; it doesn't happen
instantly. That's what the dwell is for - To give the system time to store
some energy. In engine terms, this time is not trivial. When the points open,
the condenser (which has been shorted out and is empty) is now a part of the
circuit, in series with the coil/inductor. The magnetic field in the coil induces
an electric current through the condenser, which stores it up (with some real-world
losses). As the magnetic field pours it's energy into the condenser,
it collapses (this is where the coil also behaves like a transformer) and induces
a high voltage in the secondary windings, creating the spark.
But the condenser is much more than a just an added doo-dad to keep your points
from burning out (although it does that, too); it's an integral part of the system.
The catch here is that the coil and the capacitor form a resonant circuit,
known to the electronics types as an LC circuit, or a tank circuit. Mechanically,
picture a weight suspended between two springs of the same size and strength.
If you pull the weight to one side and let go, it will wangle back and
forth at a specific frequency until real-world forces dampen it and stop it.
Same deal with the coil and the condenser; it will cycle back and forth between
storing current in the coil and storing voltage in the cap. If you hooked it
up to an oscilloscope, you'd see a classic dampened harmonic motion. This repeated
cycling induces a lot of alternating voltage at a specific frequency in
the coil secondary over a decent period of time and is really where a good strong
spark comes from. Without the condenser, the voltage in the coil would change
once when the points closed and once when they opened, which, if you're lucky,
might be enough to create a weak spark. The LC resonance is the key.
This process requires that the condenser be matched to the coil to work most effectively.
The coil has a certain inductance and the condenser has a certain capacitance.
Each one of these has its own frequency characteristics. Pairing them
up creates a specific resonant frequency dependent on both components. But
if they're not matched (like a burned-out condenser), the resonant frequency
changes. Picture the spring example with two different springs.
Jim Ash
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>From: dgaldrich <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 7, 2012 12:17 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bendix magneto starting issues
>
>
>As Mike says, mags really are pretty simple devices. They come apart in a straight
forward manner and actually do have a set of internal points like older
cars for what is called "internal" timing. Remember "dwell"? In any event, the
shop manual will tell you how to take them apart, inspect, and reassemble.
>
>Magnetos are very similar to the kind of ignition systems many of us grew up playing
with in cars. A magnetic field is created in a coil and its collapse generates
a spark. With cars, the power to create this field comes from the battery.
In magnetos, the field is generated internally by what amounts to a permanent
magnet generator. Same field collapsing principle creating a high voltage
spark but the power source is different. In both cars and aircraft magnetos,
this collapse is triggered by points. With cars, you effectively set the
timing twice -- first internally by setting the points gap -- aka dwell -- and
second externally by setting the distributor. Same with magnetos. You set
the points and then set the external timing.
>
>In both cases the points have a capacitor across them to absorb the voltage spike
when the points open and that prevents the points from burning up in a tiny
imitation of an arc welder. Note that a defective condenser will mess up the
process if it's either open ("not condensing") and causing the points to burn
up, or if it's shorted out keeping the points from doing anything productive.
I've seen both in the venerable Lucas ignition systems well known by fans of
English cars, but I digress.
>
>The point of this rather long post is that it's probably worthwhile looking deeper
into the guts of the magneto rather than fixating on the impulse coupling.
If you've got it out, there's no excuse not to.
>
>Dave
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367909#367909
>
>
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Bendix magneto starting issues |
For a good review of Mags and mag problems check out this EAA video.
http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1367499350001
The guy is truely an expert.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or wood? |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Please forgive me if this is redundant. I thought I had asked a while back, but
my search proved futile. So, I wish to tap the wisdom of this collected intelligentsia...
I am prepping for the Landing Gear install, thus I need to decide on the style
I want. My wife and I both like the spoke'd tire look, so those would be the tire
style we will use. I haven't seen those on a steel gear, so I'm not sure how
it would look, or whether the added size would prove problematic to the gear
strength.
The main dis-advantage to the wooden gear to me is what I have heard about the
'wobble' of the axle in the platform that it rides on due to the shock cord mount.
I have heard the axle will move slightly forward and rearward as you turn
corners, making it slightly 'wiggly'. Other than that it looks like an easier
option to build for me, and cheaper. But, this is the project of a lifetime,
so the added work and money is not as important as the ultimate usefulness of
the choice. I will fly almost exclusively from paved runways (can only think of
one grass field I would fly to at the annual west coast piet fly-in...).
I am looking for pros and cons, do's and don'ts, thoughts and suggestions regarding
the choice from those that have thought about such things :o)
Many thanks!
BTW, The Mrs. in the first seat below :o)
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or wood? |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Kevin Purtee has spoke wheels with steel gear. I got a ride and thought it felt
great. I know he's not a fan of bungee, as he had problems with it and switched
to a spring.
My Piet is the classic Harley wheel with wood gear. Many aren't sure about the
suitability of a stock motorcycle wheel. I learned to fly a tailwheel in this
plane and taught my son... needless to say it's got a workout and is holding
up fine. I don't mind the wobble at all, and never really noticed it until you
mentioned it.
Again, the bungee is a bit of a pain in that it does regularly wear out, but not
that hard to replace, nor very expensive.
While I thought I'd fly mostly grass, the truth is that I'm about 95 percent on
pavement and the wood gear/straight axle hasn't proved problematic in that venue
at all.
Lastly, I did have to replace one of the wood members of my gear as I noticed some
cracking. I'm quite certain that damaged occurred as a result of an aborted
takeoff that went off runway. The point is, I noticed the damage well before
the gear failed and it was easy to fix.
Had it been a weldment that wasn't up to the task (either faulty weld or excessive
force) I'm not sure that would be the case.
Having pushed around a few cubs, champs and chiefs, I think the larger diameter
wheels are easier if that's a concern.
Things to consider. Pretty sure either would be fine!
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or wood? |
| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
Big Wheels...spokes hiding under covers. My intent was to create a faux Bendix
look.
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PAPA MIKE
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or wood? |
Mark that is looking good.-- I'm going to have to find some time to com
e up to Fresno and see that thing.- =0A=0A=0AMike Groah=0A=0Ado not archi
ve=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbr
ts1(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, March
7, 2012 10:55 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear type: Pros and Co
s" =0A=0APlease forgive me if this is redundant. I t
hought I had asked a while back, but my search proved futile. So, I wish to
tap the wisdom of this collected intelligentsia...=0A=0AI am prepping for
the Landing Gear install, thus I need to decide on the style I want. My wif
e and I both like the spoke'd tire look, so those would be the tire style w
e will use. I haven't seen those on a steel gear, so I'm not sure how it wo
uld look, or whether the added size would prove problematic to the gear str
ength.=0A=0AThe main dis-advantage to the wooden gear to me is what I have
heard about the 'wobble' of the axle in the platform that it rides on due t
o the shock cord mount. I have heard the axle will move slightly forward an
d rearward as you turn corners, making it slightly 'wiggly'. Other than tha
t it looks like an easier option to build for me, and cheaper. But, this is
the project of a lifetime, so the added work and money is not as important
as the ultimate usefulness of the choice. I will fly almost exclusively fr
om paved runways (can only think of one grass field I would fly to at the a
nnual west coast piet fly-in...).=0A=0AI am looking for pros and cons, do's
and don'ts, thoughts and suggestions regarding the choice from those that
have thought about such things :o)=0A=0AMany thanks!=0A=0ABTW, The Mrs. in
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or wood? |
The main disadvantage to the wooden straight axle gear is actually the
weight. That axle is heavy, as are the wire wheels (but if you are doing
wire wheels regardless, then that doesn't matter).
As for "wobble", I've never noticed it in 260 hours of flying. I have guide
pins on my axle to restrain it from rotating when braking, and it does moved
around fore and aft a bit when braking, but nothing that is any problem at
all.
The wooden gear is extremely rugged (which is why Curtiss JN-4's used it).
The biggest advantage to the straight axle is that camber and toe-in
problems simply don't exist.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 1:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or wood?
Please forgive me if this is redundant. I thought I had asked a while back,
but my search proved futile. So, I wish to tap the wisdom of this collected
intelligentsia...
I am prepping for the Landing Gear install, thus I need to decide on the
style I want. My wife and I both like the spoke'd tire look, so those would
be the tire style we will use. I haven't seen those on a steel gear, so I'm
not sure how it would look, or whether the added size would prove
problematic to the gear strength.
The main dis-advantage to the wooden gear to me is what I have heard about
the 'wobble' of the axle in the platform that it rides on due to the shock
cord mount. I have heard the axle will move slightly forward and rearward as
you turn corners, making it slightly 'wiggly'. Other than that it looks like
an easier option to build for me, and cheaper. But, this is the project of a
lifetime, so the added work and money is not as important as the ultimate
usefulness of the choice. I will fly almost exclusively from paved runways
(can only think of one grass field I would fly to at the annual west coast
piet fly-in...).
I am looking for pros and cons, do's and don'ts, thoughts and suggestions
regarding the choice from those that have thought about such things :o)
Many thanks!
BTW, The Mrs. in the first seat below :o)
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Bendix magneto starting issues |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Skip: Yes, Sue and are are planning on being at Sun n Fun the whole time.
Jim: I think the LC resonance frequency is much higher than the system cycle frequency
which is 2 times engine speed and actually needs to be. Ignition systems
are, as you describe, an LC circuit but it isn't in resonance. Look at it
this way. The points close. This discharges the capacitor almost instantly
and current starts flowing in the inductor. Note that the capacitor is not electrically
present since it's shorted. The field builds up. If you put an oscilloscope
on it and watched CURRENT, it would start from 0 and rise on a parabolic
curve to the point where, given enough time, it would hit a maximum determined
by the ohmic resistance of the coil. If there were a large iron core
(picture a wire wrapped around a nail in science class), you'd have an electromagnet.
Some time before this steady state maximum occurs, the points open.
Current flow stops almost instantaneously. With no voltage present, the field
collapses but the energy has to go somewhere. The low voltage winding of the
coil sees a, maybe .016 air gap, but the 14 volts can't jump that. The secondary
coil, on the other hand can generate several thousand volts and can jump
your .032 spark plug gap with ease. It's the path of least resistance. Note
that when the points first open, the gap is VERY small and the collapsing field
from the low voltage winding CAN jump it. The condenser absorbs just enough
of the the current to allow the points to fully open without excessive arcing.
There is no resonance in the "tuned circuit" sense like you find in radios.
The better analogy is that the coil is an AC transformer. If you look at the
current waveform in the low voltage side, it really is a sawtooth but with curved
"sides". The frequency is determined by the physical speed of the rotating
cam opening and closing the points. I'm hoping the drawing attached makes
sense.
Note that as the rpm increases, the amount of time available to build up the field
goes down and the spark gets weaker
You are correct that the condenser and coil must be compatible. If the condenser
is too small, it won't be able to absorb enough energy to allow the points
to open cleanly. If it is too large, the current flowing when the points close
and discharge it will also burn them. Again, it's not a "tuned" circuit.
Hope this helps.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or wood? |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Mark
I was in the same boat as you a few years ago. I did the same kind of mission
evaluation and have a similar paved runway outlook as you. It made me think the
split axle would be better. However, after asking around I could find no reason
not to build the wood gear. One big deciding factor for me was I just didnt
have the confidence to build the steel gear and I needed to get the project
moving as other parts had frustrated me to the point where I wasnt working on
the plane anymore.
While trying to decide between the two I modified the attached pictures to give
me an idea how the landing gear choice would change the overall appearance of
the plane. For me the final look of the plane is very important. Basically I
would pick the one you think looks the best.
Wood Gear Pros:
Vintage look
Unique
No toe in or toe out problems.
Simpler to build.
People question your sanity.
Cons:
The axel and spreader bar are close to the ground and might catch on tall grass
or other things like runway lights if you find yourself in a bad situation.
Need to stop axel rotation if you use brakes.
Heavy
People question your sanity
If you like to be unique, everyone seems to be building the wood gear lately.
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or wood? |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
There are quite a few out there that have the wire wheels and the split axle gear.
I chose to cover mine. Mr. Pietenpol went this route with 12988 and left
them uncovered. I'm happy with the set up. Other than changing bungees every
couple of years it works out well.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or wood? |
Unfortunately, Don, the straight axle version also requires changing the
bungees every couple of years - my least favorite airplane task in the
world.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 5:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or
wood?
There are quite a few out there that have the wire wheels and the split axle
gear. I chose to cover mine. Mr. Pietenpol went this route with 12988 and
left them uncovered. I'm happy with the set up. Other than changing
bungees every couple of years it works out well.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or wood? |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Yeah... I'm up for it this year. [Crying or Very sad] Been preparing...mentally
and physically! Ha! Not a fun task. I have streamlined the process a little
though. The main requirement is cussing. Unfortunately because of that
I can't train the kids to help for a few more years.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
We use the straight bungee, with home made loops on the ends, not too bad o
f a job installing them, just getting them the right length, and getting bo
th the same so the airplane does not list one way-or the other, thats the
tuffy. (wow what a run on sentence)- Looking forward to the warm weather
, havn't flown since December 15th or so, and the new job should let me fly
on the weekends.
-
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or wood? |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
FWIW. 280 hours since 9/09 including two trips from Austin, TX to Brodhead. Only
issues were the result of my welding. I changed from bungees to springs as
Mike Danforth mentioned, for good, solid reasons.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or wood? |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Guys!
Many, Many thanks for these comments. It is EXACTLY what I was hoping to learn
from ya'll. I am encouraged to know others have thought this one out ahead of
time (Duh... It IS an 80 year old design after all :o)
My main concern is my inexperience with metal. I am going to take the plans to
my welding friend soon and ask him about it.
The best metal gear I've seen is Charlie Millers' gear with the streamlined tubing
for the legs. Very sturdy, but re-designing stuff like this isn't my cup of
tea.
So, I'm going to re-read all of this again, but want to thank ya'll again for the
help. It is this kind of interaction that really makes this group special.
And, thanks for the kind words about the Mrs. in the front seat! :o) She's only
5'2", so I need to raise the seat a bit when I put it in... Ha! She'll get all
the bugs in the teeth for me !
Mark
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or wood? |
Mark,
Both gear systems have there advantages and disadvantages as has been
reported. I'm currently destroying a lot of 4130 on my split gear. Despite
all the measuring, fitting and cutting I'm still having problems getting
perfect fits. After a week I only have the left front V done. All part of
the fun.
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 11:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or
wood?
Hey Guys!
Many, Many thanks for these comments. It is EXACTLY what I was hoping to
learn from ya'll. I am encouraged to know others have thought this one out
ahead of time (Duh... It IS an 80 year old design after all :o)
My main concern is my inexperience with metal. I am going to take the plans
to my welding friend soon and ask him about it.
The best metal gear I've seen is Charlie Millers' gear with the streamlined
tubing for the legs. Very sturdy, but re-designing stuff like this isn't my
cup of tea.
So, I'm going to re-read all of this again, but want to thank ya'll again
for the help. It is this kind of interaction that really makes this group
special.
And, thanks for the kind words about the Mrs. in the front seat! :o) She's
only 5'2", so I need to raise the seat a bit when I put it in... Ha! She'll
get all the bugs in the teeth for me !
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or wood? |
| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
raykrause(at)frontiernet. wrote:
> Papa Mike,
>
> How did you make the wheel covers, and how are they attached to the wheel?
> Surely they are not riveted to the rim?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Krause
> Sky Scout in progress
> ---
Ray,
The wheel covers are a conic development. Started with flat sheet and calculated
the diameters to produce the desired "cone". The covers are bolted to the flanges
of the hub. The rivets in the periphery are purely cosmetic. The wheels
shown in the pic were my prototypes. The attached pics show the final version.
A lot of work....but they sure look neat! I designed them to use the early Tri-Pacer
mechanical brakes.
--------
PAPA MIKE
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | tornado near miss... |
Thanks for asking Larry,
We were VERY blessed here. As best I can tell, the storm came right at our
house and a few miles out split in two. A tornado touched town a couple
miles south of us and one touched down a couple miles north and killed five
people and destroyed a LOT of homes and property. Just drove through it
yesterday and it was amazing.
We on the other hand got some powerful wind for about fifteen minutes and
then sunshine. We're off helping our neighbors, some of which don't have
home insurance.
Progress report. Am waiting on my fourth ACS order trying to get the right
AN fittings to hook up the oil pressure gauge (don't ask.) then I can run
this baby!!
Douwe
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or wood? |
If I may make a suggestion Mark, leave that front seat at the height shown and
just add a cushion(s) as needed. She will then be comfy and you still have the
option of fitting taller people in there for quick rides.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Bill Princell <weprincell(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bendix magneto starting issues |
How do you go about matching the condenser to the coil to work most
effectively?
Bill Princell -
This process requires that the condenser be matched to the coil to work
most effectively. The coil has a certain inductance and the condenser has a
certain capacitance. Each one of these has its own frequency
characteristics. Pairing them up creates a specific resonant frequency
dependent on both components. But if they're not matched (like a burned-out
condenser), the resonant frequency changes.
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB <
steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> wrote:
> steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
>
> For a good review of Mags and mag problems check out this EAA video.
>
> http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1367499350001
>
> The guy is truely an expert.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or wood? |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Ha! Thanks Michael!
I didn't even think about the fact I'd be cutting others out of the comfort of
the windscreen by jacking the seat up a few inches!
Funny, but that just saved me a serious "Oops" that wouldn't have been easy to
correct!
Love the wheel covers too Papa Mike!
Mark
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bendix magneto starting issues |
I'm still digesting Dave Galdrich's note on this from yesterday and formulating
a response, so I'm questioning my understanding of the concepts at this point
and hesitate to answer. If Dave is right, then the capacitance of the condenser
will be a lot different (probably lower-valued) than what I thought, and I
owe you all an apology for my incorrect email.
My short, somewhat flippant answer to you would be 'Whatever the book tells you',
which unfortunately leaves the engineering to some ominous 'them'. Most automotive
condensers I can recall have been around around .2uF to .3uF.
If you want to get into tank circuit theory, we can do that, but if this system
isn't really a tank, it's only a cute academic exercise.
I've been running through my head on where I can find a breaker-point-driven engine
and hook an oscilloscope to it to check it out. I just got a boat engine
(140 hp 4-cyl GM block on a Merc I/O drive) to run for a friend a couple weeks
ago and got to thinking about breaker point systems again, so I did some web
surfing last week on it to refresh myself. Rather timely considering this recent
discussion. That's where I ran across the theory that it was a tank circuit,
but I haven't so far been able to find that page again. I'm familiar with tank
circuits, I just didn't realize this was one of them, and now Dave is saying
it ain't. My scopes are off in a corner of my basement and not set up right
now; they're old and not real portable. I suppose I could drag one out and hook
it to my snow blower; this winter has really sucked for snow (I ski and snowboard)
and I'm not expecting to need it again until next winter anyhow.
Jim Ash
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From: Bill Princell
Sent: Mar 8, 2012 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bendix magneto starting issues
How do you go about matching the condenser to the coil to work most effectively?
Bill Princell -
This process requires that the condenser be matched to the coil to work most effectively.
The coil has a certain inductance and the condenser has a certain capacitance.
Each one of these has its own frequency characteristics. Pairing them
up creates a specific resonant frequency dependent on both components. But
if they're not matched (like a burned-out condenser), the resonant frequency
changes.
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB
wrote:
For a good review of Mags and mag problems check out this EAA video.
http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1367499350001
The guy is truely an expert.
Blue Skies,
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| Subject: | Re: center section storage lid hinge-to-front spar |
| From: | "Kyle85" <boschkyle(at)hotmail.com> |
Just would like to thank Mr. Cuy for giving me this idea for the center wing lid.
Here is my version so far..
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or wood? |
You're welcome.
-
-I actually lowered my seat because I will always fly with a seat cushion
.- I left the front seat- alone, but will have a-cushion for those wh
o want one, or for shorter passengers.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
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| From: | "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or wood? |
Thanks, Mike!
Beautiful work. Is that wheel convex on only the outside? In bicycles
that is called "dished", as in the rear wheel with an 8-10 speed cog. Looks
as though only the outside of you disc is convex.
Thanks again for the wonderful pictures. Now I have another project.
Ray Krause
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From: "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 6:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear type: Pros and Cons, Steel or
wood?
>
>
> raykrause(at)frontiernet. wrote:
>> Papa Mike,
>>
>> How did you make the wheel covers, and how are they attached to the
>> wheel?
>> Surely they are not riveted to the rim?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray Krause
>> Sky Scout in progress
>> ---
>
>
> Ray,
>
> The wheel covers are a conic development. Started with flat sheet and
> calculated the diameters to produce the desired "cone". The covers are
> bolted to the flanges of the hub. The rivets in the periphery are purely
> cosmetic. The wheels shown in the pic were my prototypes. The attached
> pics show the final version. A lot of work....but they sure look neat! I
> designed them to use the early Tri-Pacer mechanical brakes.
>
> --------
> PAPA MIKE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367973#367973
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Center Section Cover |
This week, someone sent an E-mail on the list about his cover for his
center-section storage compartment. I also am in the process of
building my center-section and want to build a similar cover. I
mistakenly deleted the E-mail rather than saving it. Will the kind
person re-send the E-mail with the pictures of his cover -- you might
send a couple more pictures if you can. I need all the help I can get.
Thanks a bunch, Chuck
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Kyle's center section cargo area cover |
Very nicely fabricated Kyle. It appears as though your workmanship is real
ly
top notch. I'm very impressed at how the standard of Pietenpol craftsmansh
ip
has continually gotten better over the past ten years or so. Outstanding w
ork
going on out there in little shops, garages, and basements around this land
and far off lands.
Beauuutiful work.
Mike C.
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kyle's center section cargo area cover |
Michael, thanks for the reply. I was going to ask Kyle but I'll ask you
instead, what thickness aluminum sheet did you use? I was thinkiing of
ordering enough to do both the cover and the cowling around my Corvair
engine as well as the cowls on the fuselage. I have Hans Van DerVoort's
drawings for his engine cowl, but he doesn't stipulate the thickness of
the material. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 8:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kyle's center section cargo area cover
Very nicely fabricated Kyle. It appears as though your workmanship is
really
top notch. I'm very impressed at how the standard of Pietenpol
craftsmanship
has continually gotten better over the past ten years or so.
Outstanding work
going on out there in little shops, garages, and basements around this
land
and far off lands.
Beauuutiful work.
Mike C.
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: center section storage lid hinge-to-front spar |
Michael, Chuck again. I just went to your pictures on the west coast
web site and saved a bunch of your pictures for future reference. You
might just expect a bunch of questions later on. C
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From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 1:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: center section storage lid hinge-to-front
spar
Kyle,
I just drilled a few pilot holes for some truss-head wood screws to
attach my
hinged cover for the center section storage compartment. The other
1/2 of my
hinge is riveted to the aluminum cover.
Mike C.
for more photos please see:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/mike_cuy_2.h
tm
(Thank you Chris Tracy!!!!)
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| Subject: | Re: Kyle's center section cargo area cover |
| From: | "Kyle85" <boschkyle(at)hotmail.com> |
Chuck, I used 2024 T3 .032 throughout my lid. It worked nicely for me.
Kyle
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| From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
I'm going to be down here in Lakeland for a work contract, but will be at the show.
Is there anyone coming down here, that I may be able to get together with.
I would like to take some pictures, ask questions, and maybe get a ride.
Thanks guys!
J_Dunavin(at)hotmail.com
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Aluminum thickness: Kyle's center section cargo area |
cover
Chuck- I used .025" 2024T3 for everything sheet aluminum wise
on my Pietenpol including the center section cargo cover lid.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Kyle's center section cargo area cover |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Chuck,
Hans' drawing actually does specify the thickness (.025), just above the Bill of
Materials chart.
http://mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesFiles/Cowling%20drawing.pdf
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: center section storage lid hinge-to-front spar |
| From: | "Kyle85" <boschkyle(at)hotmail.com> |
Chuck,
Here is a picture of my trial fit. Still need to figure out a way to mount the
piano hinge to my front spar in order for my piano hinge to mount flush with the
"skin" I may need to bond a strip of wood to the top of my spar to take up
the gap and then mount to that. My method of attaching will still be truss screws.
Kyle
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| Subject: | Re: Bendix magneto starting issues |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Jim:
Think about this from a theory point of view. When the points CLOSE, the C is
out of the picture -- it's shorted out -- so you have an RL circuit. As the field
builds up, the current goes from 0 toward a steady state that is determined
solely by the R in the circuit. That R is a function of the ballast resistor
and the internal resistance of the coil. The RL time constant determines the
shape of the first part of the curve I drew.
Side note: Notice that the faster the engine runs, the earlier on that curve the
points open. That means less energy stored in the coil to produce a spark.
As a conventional system speeds up, the spark actually becomes weaker. Not
so with magnetos. The faster the magneto turns (up to a point) the more energy
is available. The faster a wire moves through a magnetic field, the more induced
voltage. The slower the movement, the less voltage. That's why magnetos
can sometimes be hard to start and why impulse couplings were developed. The
impulse coupling accelerates the magnets through the windings in a ratchet kind
of motion.
Now the points open. You have a series RLC circuit with a DC supply voltage.
That is a circuit that cannot resonate and is what is called a band pass filter.
Only frequencies in a range around the square root of 2*Pi*L*C if memory serves,
will get through. DC will not.
The graph I drew is actually incorrect. The current in the low voltage/primary
winding actually drops to zero almost immediately. The energy stored in the
magnetic field of both coil windings has only one way to dissipate and that's
through the high voltage/secondary side via the spark plug which has much less
effective resistance than the primary side.
What you may have read about is some of the solid state systems may have a resonant
circuit used to charge a capacitor in a system commonly known as a CDI for
Capacitor Discharge Ignition. There is no such thing as a DC transformer so
in order to get a higher than 14 v supply, the system either uses a resonant
circuit or chops dc in very short on/off pulses. These look like AC to a transformer
and by proper selection of windings, you can get almost any AC voltage
you want. Rectify it and - voila - high(er) voltage DC. That's the principle
the 110 v adapters you plug in your cigarette lighter work on.
This is probably one of those cases of "ask me what time it is and I'll tell you
how to build a watch".
Hope this helps.
Dave
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: center section storage lid hinge-to-front spar |
Yeah, Kyle, that's what I did to make everything line up. I just cut a
piece approximately the shape I needed, glued it on, and then shaped it with
a block plane so that everything lines up. Your pic looks great. I was
originally planning to cover just the area between the main spars. I'm
about to run it on back to where the aileron spar goes -- like Mike and,
apparently, you did. I also liked Mike's design of the little compartment
where he can get to the aileron cables and pulleys. Thanks for your help.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kyle85" <boschkyle(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 6:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: center section storage lid hinge-to-front spar
>
> Chuck,
> Here is a picture of my trial fit. Still need to figure out a way to mount
> the piano hinge to my front spar in order for my piano hinge to mount
> flush with the "skin" I may need to bond a strip of wood to the top of my
> spar to take up the gap and then mount to that. My method of attaching
> will still be truss screws.
> Kyle
>
> --------
> Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully
> complete the flight.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368081#368081
>
>
> Attachments:
>
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>
>
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: center section storage lid hinge-to-front spar |
Attached are two pictures that may, or may not be of any help. The first-
shows the way I mounted my hinges, the second the rear view of my divider t
o keep items out of the pulleys/cables.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: center section storage lid hinge-to-front spar |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Very nice work, and good details. Wish Scout had such a wing storage compartment.
Maybe someday I'll do a retrofit.
By the way, my old "coffee grinder" pencil sharpener is one of the most used 'tools'
in my shop, and it really helps when laying out lines on wood. Nothing
like a sharp pencil to lay down clean lines. However, I have my sharpener oriented
such that gravity carries the shavings and dust to the bottom. I don't
rely on centrifugal force to throw the particles horizontally like you do with
yours ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368159#368159
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| Subject: | Got in some flying last evening. |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
While the setting sun generally was screwing up the photo op, this one turned out
pretty cool. My son is in the back, I'm in the front.
Having a hard time finding nice steady cross winds, so here he is setting her down
on one wheel for practice during calm conditions.
Tools
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368165#368165
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Got in some flying last evening. |
Very cool!
Nice to see you enjoying Dick's old Pietenpol. I'm sure it is still a bit
chilly in Minnesota for aviating.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 3:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Got in some flying last evening.
While the setting sun generally was screwing up the photo op, this one
turned out pretty cool. My son is in the back, I'm in the front.
Having a hard time finding nice steady cross winds, so here he is setting
her down on one wheel for practice during calm conditions.
Tools
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368165#368165
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Stop by the Wood workshop, several of us are going to build stuff for a
Pietenpol at the show. I just got to Fla and will relax a bit and be ready
to go.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 12:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun and Fun
>
> I'm going to be down here in Lakeland for a work contract, but will be at
> the show. Is there anyone coming down here, that I may be able to get
> together with. I would like to take some pictures, ask questions, and
> maybe get a ride.
> Thanks guys!
> J_Dunavin(at)hotmail.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368067#368067
>
>
>
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bendix magneto starting issues |
Dave -
I'm basically with you on all the theory. I think your initial graph threw me for
a loop, which is what got me going. All the stuff I've seen shows current diving
at points-open time, which makes the graph look roughly like a rounded-back
sawtooth. The field collapse is what gets this little beastie going.
My only unknown really just comes down to the value chosen for the condenser. If
the reactance of the cap is the same as for the coil, it becomes a tank. An
ideal tank is an LC loop, which in theory will cycle forever. But in the real
world, there's going to be some R components to dampen it, the most significant
in this circuit being the load from the secondary, which is kinda the goal anyhow.
I'm guessing ESR and other parasitics are there, but I doubt they're significant
compared to that.
The 2pi sqrt(L*C) is actually the time constant for the circuit (technically, the
2pi is outside the radical - I normally try to stick with the omega notation
to keep my life simpler when doing the math, then use omega = 2pi f when I care
about applying it to real-world frequencies). Invert it to get the frequency,
but you've got the idea. My RLC filter theory is rusty (my RC theory isn't
- I use that one a lot more often doing digital stuff. I generally try to avoid
magnetics when I can - Too much mass, too much space, too much copper), but
the natural frequency for a band-pass (or notch) is going to be the same as for
a tank of the same frequency; they're the same formula. The difference is that
the components in a tank are matched to store the same amount of energy, so
it just keeps bouncing between the two. If they're not matched, it won't be
a true tank, but every system like this has to have some natural frequency and
it will ring about it (overdampened), so I'm not quite with you on the 'cannot
resonate' statement. My guess is that the sudden current drop-off on the graph
is going to show some ringing about zero.
The how-much part was my misunderstanding. I was led to believe it rang significantly
(on a 30-40kHz natural frequency), and the current swings were enough to
get the plug to fire more than once in rapid succession before enough energy
was bled out of the system the secondary couldn't reach ionization energy any
more. With that not being true, then I don't have a clue what the criteria are
to drive ideal condenser selection.
So what time is it? Sometimes watch works are cool.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: dgaldrich <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 9, 2012 9:47 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bendix magneto starting issues
>
>
>Jim:
>
>Think about this from a theory point of view. When the points CLOSE, the C is
out of the picture -- it's shorted out -- so you have an RL circuit. As the
field builds up, the current goes from 0 toward a steady state that is determined
solely by the R in the circuit. That R is a function of the ballast resistor
and the internal resistance of the coil. The RL time constant determines
the shape of the first part of the curve I drew.
>
>Side note: Notice that the faster the engine runs, the earlier on that curve
the points open. That means less energy stored in the coil to produce a spark.
As a conventional system speeds up, the spark actually becomes weaker. Not
so with magnetos. The faster the magneto turns (up to a point) the more energy
is available. The faster a wire moves through a magnetic field, the more induced
voltage. The slower the movement, the less voltage. That's why magnetos
can sometimes be hard to start and why impulse couplings were developed. The
impulse coupling accelerates the magnets through the windings in a ratchet
kind of motion.
>
>Now the points open. You have a series RLC circuit with a DC supply voltage.
That is a circuit that cannot resonate and is what is called a band pass filter.
Only frequencies in a range around the square root of 2*Pi*L*C if memory
serves, will get through. DC will not.
>
>The graph I drew is actually incorrect. The current in the low voltage/primary
winding actually drops to zero almost immediately. The energy stored in the
magnetic field of both coil windings has only one way to dissipate and that's
through the high voltage/secondary side via the spark plug which has much less
effective resistance than the primary side.
>
>What you may have read about is some of the solid state systems may have a resonant
circuit used to charge a capacitor in a system commonly known as a CDI for
Capacitor Discharge Ignition. There is no such thing as a DC transformer so
in order to get a higher than 14 v supply, the system either uses a resonant
circuit or chops dc in very short on/off pulses. These look like AC to a transformer
and by proper selection of windings, you can get almost any AC voltage
you want. Rectify it and - voila - high(er) voltage DC. That's the principle
the 110 v adapters you plug in your cigarette lighter work on.
>
>This is probably one of those cases of "ask me what time it is and I'll tell
you how to build a watch".
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Dave
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368085#368085
>
>
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| From: | Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | center section storage lid hinge-to-front spar |
Perez-
Judging by the ends of your center section spars, your dihedral angle will be about
23 degrees. Just curious about the length of your struts and how much lift
you're going to sacrifice. Should be stable as all get-out, though.
Larry (Top Curmudgeon) Williams
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
Hi all,
I've been staying in a friend's motorhome the last 2 or 3 years at
Sun-N-Fun. This year he isn't going, so I'm planning some Air-camping,
loading all the camping gear I can fit into my front cockpit and center
section and flying over. Anybody else planning to camp this year so I'm
not hanging out by myself?
--
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Fl
Really hoping his Pietenpol finally makes it to Lakeland
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Bendix magneto starting issues |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Jim,
Now THAT would take some serious hand-eye coordination.
Unless you mean doing the two activities separately. :)
Jim Ash wrote:
> My bucket list includes (amongst a hundred other things) playing the banjo and
painting a landscape.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368201#368201
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| Subject: | Re: Bendix magneto starting issues |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
First, I've reread my posts on this subject and I must admit that they do sound
pedantic. That was not my intent. I probably would have made a terrible teacher.
I'm also with you on the banjo.
Did some more research on the subject and it turns out we are both correct. The
basic theory as we have both described it is correct. Points open, field collapses,
spark occurs. The selection of correct values for coil and condenser
values require an analysis of the type you describe. There ARE alternating current
harmonics generated, as there are any time you open or close a DC switch.
R, L, and C are chosen to control/dampen that oscillation as fast as possible
-- 3 to 4 oscillations max --and still have a rapid, controlled field collapse/hot
spark. The field collapse that produces the spark is pretty much a single
DC only event. The oscillation really is more of an unwanted by-product
of physics than it is necessary for the function of spark production since the
circuits do not continue to oscillate past the 3 or 4 damped cycles. I found
some typical L and C numbers and the resonant frequency for the primary circuit
is something like 10 khz. Considering a 4 cylinder engine at 3000 rpm fires
at a 100 hz rate, the time spent oscillating is close to inconsequential.
That was (sort of) my point.
Dave
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368207#368207
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bendix magneto starting issues |
That's funny - I had to read the posting again. I'll post a youtube video for you
when I get that far.
... but don't hold your breath for too long.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
>Sent: Mar 11, 2012 9:15 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bendix magneto starting issues
>
>
>Jim,
>Now THAT would take some serious hand-eye coordination.
>Unless you mean doing the two activities separately. :)
>
>Jim Ash wrote:
>
>> My bucket list includes (amongst a hundred other things) playing the banjo and
painting a landscape.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368201#368201
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Did the first engine run in the airframe yesterday!! (the guy that built it
ground ran it)
Very uneventful. Ran beautifully, pressure good, no leaks and the wiring
SEEMS correct. Just did a few short runs to ck the installation. Sure
sounded nice with those mufflers and long pipes.
She's back in the shop and now that I know the installation is sound, it's
full speed ahead with finishing the airframe stuff.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: CONTACT!!!!!! |
Douwe! That's outstanding! Congrats!
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg
Sent: Mar 12, 2012 6:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: CONTACT!!!!!!
Did the first engine run in the airframe yesterday!! (the guy that built it ground
ran it)
Very uneventful. Ran beautifully, pressure good, no leaks and the wiring SEEMS
correct. Just did a few short runs to ck the installation. Sure sounded nice
with those mufflers and long pipes.
Shes back in the shop and now that I know the installation is sound, its full speed
ahead with finishing the airframe stuff.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: CONTACT!!!!!! |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Great news Douwe!!! Congratulations! Get ready to be thrown back in your se
at with all that HP!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 12, 2012 6:39 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: CONTACT!!!!!!
Did the first engine run in the airframe yesterday!! (the guy that built it
ground ran it)
Very uneventful. Ran beautifully, pressure good, no leaks and the wiring S
EEMS correct. Just did a few short runs to ck the installation. Sure soun
ded nice with those mufflers and long pipes.
She=99s back in the shop and now that I know the installation is soun
d, it=99s full speed ahead with finishing the airframe stuff.
Douwe
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
So how about a YouTube so we can all hear what it sounds like?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: CONTACT!!!!!!
Did the first engine run in the airframe yesterday!! (the guy that built it
ground ran it)
Very uneventful. Ran beautifully, pressure good, no leaks and the wiring
SEEMS correct. Just did a few short runs to ck the installation. Sure
sounded nice with those mufflers and long pipes.
She's back in the shop and now that I know the installation is sound, it's
full speed ahead with finishing the airframe stuff.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Douwe, glad to hear it all coming together.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: center section storage lid hinge-to-front spar |
Williams,
-
I don't know what the angle is on the spar cuts. My calculations show a 1 d
egree dihedral angle on a 158.5" wing section yields about a 2.766" rise at
the wing tip.- My dihedral, if any, will be a lot less then this.
-
My strut length will be what is required to achieve the required dihedral..
.if any.
-
Sacrificial lift will be zero.
-
I agree, the plane will be stable.
-
-
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: SunNFun plans |
Hi Ben
You can come over and hang out with me and Skip Gadd and whoever else shows
up. I will have some cold beer.
I'm already in Fla. Camping on the Okachabee waterway at the St. Locks.
Dick N.
612-805-1742
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Charvet" <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SunNFun plans
>
> Hi all,
> I've been staying in a friend's motorhome the last 2 or 3 years at
> Sun-N-Fun. This year he isn't going, so I'm planning some Air-camping,
> loading all the camping gear I can fit into my front cockpit and center
> section and flying over. Anybody else planning to camp this year so I'm
> not hanging out by myself?
>
>
> --
> Ben Charvet
> Titusville, Fl
>
> Really hoping his Pietenpol finally makes it to Lakeland
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
Ben
Sorry, no Big Piets at Sun n Fun this year, especially after they sent us a
bill for $28,000 for moving and cleanup.
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SunNFun plans
Hi all,
I've been staying in a friend's motorhome the last 2 or 3 years at
Sun-N-Fun. This year he isn't going, so I'm planning some Air-camping,
loading all the camping gear I can fit into my front cockpit and center
section and flying over. Anybody else planning to camp this year so I'm not
hanging out by myself?
--
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Fl
Really hoping his Pietenpol finally makes it to Lakeland
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: SunNFun plans |
Ben, how about planning on joining with us at Tripple Tree Aerodrome just after
labor day.Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: Barry Davis <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Mon, March 12, 2012 4:51:09 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: SunNFun plans
Ben
Sorry, no Big Piets at Sun n Fun this year, especially after they sent us a
bill for $28,000 for moving and cleanup.
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SunNFun plans
Hi all,
I've been staying in a friend's motorhome the last 2 or 3 years at
Sun-N-Fun. This year he isn't going, so I'm planning some Air-camping,
loading all the camping gear I can fit into my front cockpit and center
section and flying over. Anybody else planning to camp this year so I'm not
hanging out by myself?
--
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Fl
Really hoping his Pietenpol finally makes it to Lakeland
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: SunNFun plans |
I'm still firming up how long I can stay. I have my own tent and stuff,
just want some guys to hang out with at night. I can bring cash for beer!
Ben
On 3/12/2012 2:51 PM, Dick N wrote:
>
> Hi Ben
> You can come over and hang out with me and Skip Gadd and whoever else
> shows up. I will have some cold beer.
> I'm already in Fla. Camping on the Okachabee waterway at the St. Locks.
> Dick N.
> 612-805-1742
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Charvet" <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
> To: "Pietenpol list"
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:14 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: SunNFun plans
>
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I've been staying in a friend's motorhome the last 2 or 3 years at
>> Sun-N-Fun. This year he isn't going, so I'm planning some
>> Air-camping, loading all the camping gear I can fit into my front
>> cockpit and center section and flying over. Anybody else planning to
>> camp this year so I'm not hanging out by myself?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ben Charvet
>> Titusville, Fl
>>
>> Really hoping his Pietenpol finally makes it to Lakeland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: CONTACT!!!!!! |
Yee haw!
On 03/12/2012 06:42 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> Did the first engine run in the airframe yesterday!! (the guy that built
> it ground ran it)
>
> Very uneventful. Ran beautifully, pressure good, no leaks and the wiring
> SEEMS correct. Just did a few short runs to ck the installation. Sure
> sounded nice with those mufflers and long pipes.
>
> Shes back in the shop and now that I know the installation is sound,
> its full speed ahead with finishing the airframe stuff.
>
> Douwe
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Of electronics and banjos |
Jealousy. :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKK_n4Ac0Bk&feature=related
Clif
Dem's da brakes!
I wonder why there are so many jokes about banjos and banjo players?
Jack Phillips
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Hi all, on my newly installed 1/16 ply on one bay of my leading edge I noticed
a
dimple about the size of a coffee can. Is there a way to get that out? I wonder
if wetting it down and putting an iron to it will work. Gardiner
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Gardiner, I have them also and hoping the fabric will pull them down when shrunk.
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 13, 2012, at 8:16 AM, airlion wrote:
>
> Hi all, on my newly installed 1/16 ply on one bay of my leading edge I noticed
a
> dimple about the size of a coffee can. Is there a way to get that out? I wonder
> if wetting it down and putting an iron to it will work. Gardiner
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Corvair College 22 |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
CC 22 was a great success. Thanks to our Piet friends for attending. Thanks especially
to Tim Willis, Gary Boothe and Mark Chouinard for their extra efforts.
Lots of pics on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Corvair-College-22/320305497999282?sk=wall
In the attached photo: Mark Chouinard, Bill & David Roach, Kevin & Shelley, John
Franklin (congrats on your first engine run, John!), Gary Boothe, Robert Caldwell,
Buddy Linder
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368354#368354
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_people_cc22_156.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College 22 |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Had a great time and learned a lot.
Question... is that big guy on the far left building a Pietenpol?
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Jack, my dimples are concave and the water treatment did not work. So I scruffed
the area up and smothed it out with liteweight body filler. It will be covered
with fabric so I hope this works. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Tue, March 13, 2012 9:40:14 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: dimple
Gardiner, I have them also and hoping the fabric will pull them down when
shrunk.
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 13, 2012, at 8:16 AM, airlion wrote:
>
> Hi all, on my newly installed 1/16 ply on one bay of my leading edge I noticed
>a
>
> dimple about the size of a coffee can. Is there a way to get that out? I wonder
>
> if wetting it down and putting an iron to it will work. Gardiner
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | First Composite Pedal Kitplane |
Good day everyone!
I thought that I mention here that the First Composite Pedal Kitplane is now
available!
The first model they called GOTCHA!
Gotcha3.jpg
Gotcha Composite Pedal Kitplane turns your kids tricycle into something
wonderful and exciting rides. The Gotcha composite pedal kitplane is a
bolt-in project into your kids existing tricycle. The kit consist of the
fuselage, the propeller, seat back, wings, horizontal stabilizer and
hardwares.
Build your Gotcha now and enjoy watching your young pilots as they fly
around the neighborhood. Their smile will touch your heart!
Their website www.creative-eagles.com or contact at info@creative-eagles.com
Gotcha Pedal Plane.JPG
Unleash your young eagles and let them enjoy the power of flight.
Enjoy!
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| Subject: | Continental C85-12 0-SMOH "For Sale" |
Group,
This showed up on our local KSL.com classifieds under Aviation so I
thought I would pass it along. I do not have any affiliation with
listed engine or seller.
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=19569820&cat=151&lpid=&se
arch
Brian
SLC-UT
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "indyaquanaut" <dave(at)granitebydesign.us> |
The long and the short...I started a business 8 years ago and when I did, it pretty
much stopped the Piet project. The business has finally setteled down
a little and I'm now able to get back to building. I've owned and flown a Cessna
170 for years and now I think it's time to move up, so it's back to work on
the Pietenpol
I'm getting ready to build the straight axle gear and I'm looking for a good option
for 21" wire wheels. I've spent a lot of time looking through the posts and
I'm not crazy about making my own wheels. The 21" Harley spoke wheels sound
like something I'd be interested in and if anyone who has them would be willing
to share some information, it would really be appreciated. (Or if anyone could
offer a better option, I'm all ears).
Information such as:
Where you got them
What kind of cost am I looking at
What did you do for breaks
What size axle did you use
Are you glad you used them
What tires did you use
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368399#368399
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
Here's what I did (well, the wheels/brakes part)....
http://mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesFiles/wheels.doc
Hope that helps. It was a while back so the prices have probably changed....
-----Original Message-----
>From: indyaquanaut <dave(at)granitebydesign.us>
>Sent: Mar 13, 2012 3:46 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheels
>
>
>The long and the short...I started a business 8 years ago and when I did, it pretty
much stopped the Piet project. The business has finally setteled down
>a little and I'm now able to get back to building. I've owned and flown a Cessna
170 for years and now I think it's time to move up, so it's back to work on
the Pietenpol
>
>I'm getting ready to build the straight axle gear and I'm looking for a good option
for 21" wire wheels. I've spent a lot of time looking through the posts
and I'm not crazy about making my own wheels. The 21" Harley spoke wheels sound
like something I'd be interested in and if anyone who has them would be willing
to share some information, it would really be appreciated. (Or if anyone
could offer a better option, I'm all ears).
>
>Information such as:
>Where you got them
>What kind of cost am I looking at
>What did you do for breaks
>What size axle did you use
>Are you glad you used them
>What tires did you use
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368399#368399
>
>
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
Oops, that link should have been:
http://mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=67
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>Sent: Mar 13, 2012 4:17 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheels
>
>Here's what I did (well, the wheels/brakes part)....
>
>http://mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesFiles/wheels.doc
>
>Hope that helps. It was a while back so the prices have probably changed....
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: indyaquanaut <dave(at)granitebydesign.us>
>>Sent: Mar 13, 2012 3:46 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheels
>>
>>
>>The long and the short...I started a business 8 years ago and when I did, it
pretty much stopped the Piet project. The business has finally setteled down
>>a little and I'm now able to get back to building. I've owned and flown a Cessna
170 for years and now I think it's time to move up, so it's back to work
on the Pietenpol
>>
>>I'm getting ready to build the straight axle gear and I'm looking for a good
option for 21" wire wheels. I've spent a lot of time looking through the posts
and I'm not crazy about making my own wheels. The 21" Harley spoke wheels sound
like something I'd be interested in and if anyone who has them would be willing
to share some information, it would really be appreciated. (Or if anyone
could offer a better option, I'm all ears).
>>
>>Information such as:
>>Where you got them
>>What kind of cost am I looking at
>>What did you do for breaks
>>What size axle did you use
>>Are you glad you used them
>>What tires did you use
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368399#368399
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Where you got them - Paughco, Inc.; www.paughco.com; 21" Harley Sportster.
Ask for "Troy" and tell him you want the same wheels that he supplied to
Gary Boothe for his airplane.
What kind of cost am I looking at - I got a special price...so not
sure...you can call.
What did you do for breaks - go cart
What size axle did you use - 1 1/2" stepped down to 1". Paughco puts 1"
bearings in all their wheels.
Are you glad you used them - OH YEAH!!! I am told that I need to pack stick
to beat the ladies back...
What tires did you use - Whatever Paughco installed.
Dave - you can see most of what I have done on www.westcoastpiet.com. Let me
know if you want any answers...
Gary from Cool
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of indyaquanaut
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheels
The long and the short...I started a business 8 years ago and when I did, it
pretty much stopped the Piet project. The business has finally setteled down
a little and I'm now able to get back to building. I've owned and flown a
Cessna 170 for years and now I think it's time to move up, so it's back to
work on the Pietenpol
I'm getting ready to build the straight axle gear and I'm looking for a good
option for 21" wire wheels. I've spent a lot of time looking through the
posts and I'm not crazy about making my own wheels. The 21" Harley spoke
wheels sound like something I'd be interested in and if anyone who has them
would be willing to share some information, it would really be appreciated.
(Or if anyone could offer a better option, I'm all ears).
Information such as:
Where you got them
What kind of cost am I looking at
What did you do for breaks
What size axle did you use
Are you glad you used them
What tires did you use
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368399#368399
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Here's a different option.
http://www.airdromeaeroplanes.com/heavydutywheels.html
However, I think they're only 19" rims, not 21".
The hubs come fully fabricated, and I think you need to assemble the wheels, but
the price seems pretty reasonable. I believe a few builders have used these
wheels. If any of those guys are reading this thread they might be able to shine
a little light on the product and the service.
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368420#368420
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| From: | "Mark Baxter" <m.baxter(at)comcast.net> |
Greetings all,
I am planning to attend the fly-in this summer. I will be flying by airline from
Corvallis, Oregon. I would appreciate any advise some of you might have
regarding flights, car rental etc. I would like to camp while there and was
thinking it would be handy if I could UPS a small box of camping gear to someone
at Brodhead. Thanks in advance and I look forward to meeting some of you there.
Mark Baxter
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| From: | Dave Millikan <n11dmx(at)yahoo.com> |
Got mine from "Airdromes & Airplanes " in Missouri.
He does wheels and WW1 replicas.
I had left over Grove brakes from a unfinished float project.
The drums bolt on to the hubs, not the spokes.
He took pity on me and threaded the spokes for me.
I understand that is a chore.
I took them to a local motorcycle shop for the tires.
Not cheep ... 8 bills- plus.
Dave- Inverness, Fl- N1QZ--
--- On Tue, 3/13/12, indyaquanaut wrote:
From: indyaquanaut <dave(at)granitebydesign.us>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheels
Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 8:46 PM
us>
The long and the short...I started a business 8 years ago and when I did, i
t pretty much stopped the Piet project. The business has finally setteled d
own
a little and I'm now able to get back to building.- I've owned and flown
a Cessna 170 for years and now I think it's time to move up, so it's back t
o work on the Pietenpol
I'm getting ready to build the straight axle gear and I'm looking for a goo
d option for 21" wire wheels. I've spent a lot of time looking through the
posts and I'm not crazy about making my own wheels. The 21" Harley spoke wh
eels sound like something I'd be interested in and if anyone who has them w
ould be willing to share some information, it would really be appreciated.
- (Or if anyone could offer a better option, I'm all ears).
Information such as:
Where you got them
What kind of cost am I looking at
What did you do for breaks
What size axle did you use
Are you glad you used them
What tires did you use
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368399#368399
le, List Admin.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | You Tube link to Douwe's C-90 First Run-up in Airframe |
Hey all,
Due to overwhelming demand...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlQXwjuoVKA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
If that link doesn't get you there, just search for "Douwe's C-90 first
run-up in airframe", and that outta do it.
Working away now on lots of persnickety stuff.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
This is a copy of a message that I posted in a related thread last
year on Feb. 2:
"One word of warning about Robert Baslee and Airdrome Aeroplanes. I
bought my wheels from him, but he never delivered on the tubes and
tires. I emailed, called, emailed, called. At first, he told me they
would be coming in a separate shipment, then after repeated efforts to
get him to send them, he quit responding all together.I'll say this,
the hubs and wheels look beautiful. But the hubs are not straight
enough to just bolt brakes to, even though he indicated they would be.
The cost of coming up with an option to fix that isn't trivial. Worse,
I'm not sure, and won't be until the aircraft is moving, whether my
solution solves that problem. And I ended up buying tubes and tires
from a motorcycle website and having a local motorcycle shop mount
them for me.That added to the cost even more. If I had the option to
replay history, I wouldn't have dealt with Baslee. Your mileage might
differ and I'm sure others have had good experiences with him, but
that was my experience."
Hopefully, Baslee has improved on his customer service by now.
Cheers, Ken
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Bill Church wrote:
>
> Here's a different option.
>
> http://www.airdromeaeroplanes.com/heavydutywheels.html
>
> However, I think they're only 19" rims, not 21".
> The hubs come fully fabricated, and I think you need to assemble the wheels,
but the price seems pretty reasonable. I believe a few builders have used these
wheels. If any of those guys are reading this thread they might be able to shine
a little light on the product and the service.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368420#368420
>
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Of electronics and banjos |
Yep. It's all mine. Actually though, I thought I had
put up the presently attached pic which shows
the "anti windup" bracket and arm.
Next up, the heel pedal system.
No wonder it's been 11 years and counting!!
Clif
Life is uncertain. Eat dessert first.
> Clif the brake is impressive. Is it your own design? Does it warp there at
> the cable to actuate? I have more questions than answers!
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
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| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
I purchased the hubs from Ken Perkins and the 21" rims and stainless spokes from Buchanans. You will need to sell your first born to pay for them but dam they are sexy! Have a look at them on my site. www.scottyspietenpol.com
Scotty
--------
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | You Tube link to Douwe's C-90 First Run-up in Airframe |
Very cool, Douwe. Can't wait to see her fly!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: You Tube link to Douwe's C-90 First Run-up in
Airframe
Hey all,
Due to overwhelming demand...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlQXwjuoVKA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
If that link doesn't get you there, just search for "Douwe's C-90 first
run-up in airframe", and that outta do it.
Working away now on lots of persnickety stuff.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Mark,
The closest airport to fly into is probably Madison (MSN), which is about 35
miles away. I know American serves MSN and I think Delta does as well. Or
you could fly into Chicago or Milwaukee, but they are further.
Shipping camping gear is a good idea, if you can find someone in Brodhead
who would volunteer to handle it for you. Perhaps you can contact someone
in EAA chapter 431, that runs the field there.
Good luck and hope to see you there,
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Baxter
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead plans
Greetings all,
I am planning to attend the fly-in this summer. I will be flying by
airline from Corvallis, Oregon. I would appreciate any advise some of you
might have regarding flights, car rental etc. I would like to camp while
there and was thinking it would be handy if I could UPS a small box of
camping gear to someone at Brodhead. Thanks in advance and I look forward
to meeting some of you there.
Mark Baxter
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
Flyin at WDG, Enid, OK
Saturday 24 March, 2012
Barnstormers is serving breakfast!
8-10am $7.00
.50 cent discount on fuel.
Hope y'all can come.
Steve D
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| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Where you got them: Aerodrome Aircraft (www.airdromeaeroplanes.com).
What kind of cost am I looking at: ~$900.
What did you do for brakes: Motorcycle disks, go-cart parts from calipers up to
foot pedals.
What size axle did you use: 1.25" I think?
Are you glad you used them: Yes.
What tires did you use: Ones that fit.
Ken's right that Robert at Airdrome can be unresponsive. I got my own tubes and
tires before Robert sent me his versions. I like them better than what he sent
so it worked out. Ken's also right that the hubs are not perfectly square.
Somehow, though, they have rolled and stopped pretty darn well over 700 takeoffs
and landings. They are also extremely durable.
Look at www.westcoastpiet.com for ideas.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
I made my own hubs (well, I designed them and had a machine shop turn them
for me), then sent them to Buchanan's, had them choose 21" aluminum rims,
make custom spokes and then lace them up for me. Bought Avon Speedmaster
Tyres (they're English, hence the spelling) on the advice of Mike Cuy.
Total cost was about $900.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:37 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels
Where you got them: Aerodrome Aircraft (www.airdromeaeroplanes.com).
What kind of cost am I looking at: ~$900.
What did you do for brakes: Motorcycle disks, go-cart parts from calipers up
to foot pedals.
What size axle did you use: 1.25" I think?
Are you glad you used them: Yes.
What tires did you use: Ones that fit.
Ken's right that Robert at Airdrome can be unresponsive. I got my own tubes
and tires before Robert sent me his versions. I like them better than what
he sent so it worked out. Ken's also right that the hubs are not perfectly
square. Somehow, though, they have rolled and stopped pretty darn well over
700 takeoffs and landings. They are also extremely durable.
Look at www.westcoastpiet.com for ideas.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I believe your biggest hurdle will be the hubs.- Rims, spokes, tires, etc
are readily available in a variety of materials, sizes, colors, etc. You s
aid you were not too keen on making your own wheels, but if you change your
mind, you have some options, most of which have been posted.
I made my own hubs and did my own lacing/truing. If you are interested in g
iving any of that a shot, I may be able to help you.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Of electronics and banjos |
Clif,
Top-notch construction. Beautifully made. But... how do they work?
That's a solid piece of metal between those 2 lever arms - there's not
any hinge point to press the pad to the disk that I can see...
Thanks,
Dan
On 03/14/2012 02:30 AM, Clif Dawson wrote:
> Yep. It's all mine. Actually though, I thought I had
> put up the presently attached pic which shows
> the "anti windup" bracket and arm.
>
> Next up, the heel pedal system.
>
> No wonder it's been 11 years and counting!!
>
> Clif
>
> Life is uncertain. Eat dessert first.
>
>> Clif the brake is impressive. Is it your own design? Does it warp
>> there at the cable to actuate? I have more questions than answers!
>> Jerry Dotson
>> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
>> Baker, FL 32531
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Wooden wing spars |
| From: | Ron Eisaman <rdwdsgn(at)aol.com> |
A few years ago I saw an article on wooden wing spars. I think it was by R
on Alexander...but then again I'm not the sharpest knife in the set, so it
could have been someone else. Please help me find this piece. Thanks.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden wing spars |
Ron,
Not sure what type of info you're looking for, but there were a series
of articles by Ron Alexander on wood aircraft construction, Sport
Aviation, Dec. '98-April '99. That's what I found with a quick search
thru the online SA archives. There were also some earlier articles on
structural analysis by, I think, Molt Taylor. Those were from the 60's
if my memory's correct.
Ken
On Mar 14, 2012, at 8:58 AM, Ron Eisaman wrote:
> A few years ago I saw an article on wooden wing spars. I think it was
by Ron Alexander...but then again I'm not the sharpest knife in the set,
so it could have been someone else. Please help me find this piece.
Thanks.
> Ron
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Enid, OK fly-in |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Chapter 10 pancakes and a Gas Welding Workshop that same day, otherwise I'd think
about it. Barnstormers throws down some good grub.
Too many flying events... such a problem to have this early in the season.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Piet for sale in TX |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
For anyone looking to get into a complete and flying Ford A-powered Piet, there
is a nice one for sale in south Texas; a couple of pix attached. Now owned by
Ron Hollmer, this airplane was originally built by Howard Henderson and was
written up in the old BPA newsletter, here:
http://www.grantmaclaren.com/444mh/index.html
I have no affiliation with this airplane or its owner other than knowing them as
"good people". I believe Ron keeps the airplane in Aransas Pass (Corpus Christi
area). He is asking $12,000 for it, which I believe is a very good price.
His phone number is (210) 401-7148 and you can email he or Pat at pestfromfl(at)tampabay.rr.com
. Please don't contact me about the airplane! As Schultz from
"Hogan's Heroes" used to say, "I know NOTHING!"
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Is there ANYTHING better... |
than a package from Wicks Aircraft???? I say NOT!! :-)
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| From: | "indyaquanaut" <dave(at)granitebydesign.us> |
First of all, thanks to everyone who has replied. Great information. Gary I contacted
Paugho but Troy no longer works there and they have no record of your
purchase, so without part numbers they couldnt help me. If you happen to have
them it would really help.
Michael, I can make the hubs and with a little guidance could lace and true them.
Where did you get your rims and spokes and what did you do for your brakes.
Again thanks to all, its very helpful
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Piet for sale in TX |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Axel: maybe he will need someone to ferry the airplane to the new buyer ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Piet for sale in TX |
| From: | "regchief" <kbosley(at)comcast.net> |
I was driveing south past the Georgetown airport heading to drop a load in Austin
on Sunday, and look up and I swear I see a Piet crossing over I-35. Not easy
to do when your suppossed to be driveing a semi and trying to see a small plane
overhead. I was bobtail later that day and am still kicking myself for not
heading to the airport to see if a piet was really circleing in the pattern.
Any idea who it was?
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Is there ANYTHING better... |
The same thing, for free?
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>Sent: Mar 14, 2012 1:07 PM
>To: Pietenpol List
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is there ANYTHING better...
>
>than a package from Wicks Aircraft???? I say NOT!! :-)
>
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Dave, my 21" aluminum rims, aluminum nipples and stainless spokes came from
Buchanan's. He, (I forget his name) is quite knowledgeable and understands
what is required-for aircraft use and recommended the type of spokes to
use.
-
What ended up happening was this:
-
I sent one of my hubs to Buchanan's. They made the custom spokes to fit the
rim of my choice and loose-laced one rim to one hub. They sent that assemb
ly along with the rim, nipples and spokes for the other hub. I just copied
the lacing from the completed assembly.- Those spokes were nicely labeled
and there were instructions included as to which set of spokes go where...
it was a non-event really.- I then tightened and trued both wheel assembl
ies.
-
I am using band type go-kart brakes. I want to stay as light as I can and I
am really only interested in preventing the plane from rolling down hill-s
ay into another plane or fuel pit.
-
See attached pictures.
-
If you want to discuss this further, please email me off list and I'll help
as much as I can.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Is there ANYTHING better... |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Jim (M), congratulations. I wish I were to the same point of fabric
covering. Soon, soon. Cheers, Ken
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Jim Ash wrote:
>
> The same thing, for free?
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>>Sent: Mar 14, 2012 1:07 PM
>>To: Pietenpol List
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is there ANYTHING better...
>>
>>than a package from Wicks Aircraft???? I say NOT!! :-)
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Is there ANYTHING better... |
Thanks Ken (AND Jim!)...
Actually, I'm barely at that point but I just need to see some progress...and the
tail feathers and center section have just been sitting collecting dust for
several years..I'm tired of seeing so many parts "just one step away from completion"....
Plus, on a recent trip to Georgia I got to spend a couple evenings with Barry Davis
and the rest of the "big Piet" folks...what a pleasure!
Except the part where they brainwashed me (I still don't know how/when it happened)
into ordering materials and coming home all motivated to get to work on my
Piet!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 14, 2012 3:46 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Is there ANYTHING better...
>
>
>Jim (M), congratulations. I wish I were to the same point of fabric
>covering. Soon, soon. Cheers, Ken
>
>On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Jim Ash wrote:
>>
>> The same thing, for free?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>>>Sent: Mar 14, 2012 1:07 PM
>>>To: Pietenpol List
>>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is there ANYTHING better...
>>>
>>>than a package from Wicks Aircraft???? I say NOT!! :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Mild Bill" <whfrank(at)charter.net> |
Wow, that's a 41% increase in weight.
What is the species of wood and what are the exact dimensions of these pieces?
--------
Bill Frank
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Model A radiator.... |
Doing some cleaning and would like to say goodbye to an old Model A radiator I've
had for several years. It got banged up during shipping and I'm not even sure
if it's fixable. But I don't want to trash it.....
So, it's available for the cost of shipping (from 74361).
Let me know (offlist) if you're interested.
Jim
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Model A radiator available.... |
Doing some cleaning and would like to say goodbye to an old Model A radiator I've
had for several years. It got banged up during shipping and I'm not even sure
if it's fixable. But I don't want to trash it.....
So, it's available for the cost of shipping (from 74361).
Let me know (offlist) if you're interested.
Jim
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| Subject: | Wing wires and ribs |
| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Hello,
I am finishing the first wing, and today I put 2 threads to see where the wires
will go through in between the ribs. Look this photo (if you want ;o) )
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/EhUVMWzpvDw_ZNBZpDdRX9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
and this one
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/9eUA3QFSTDaK3zodEdH-cdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
here are two or thre more photos: https://picasaweb.google.com/105721238882545681618/ConstruccionDeUnPietenpolAirCamper#
I can move them a little far from the rib, but not to much adding something in
the wire end support, but anyway I think the vibration can touch the rib.
How far the wires pass?, I did something wrong?.
regards.
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368552#368552
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| Subject: | Re: Piet for sale in TX |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I'm sure Ron would administer a test before permitting a pilot to ferry his airplane.
You would have to know what to put in the radiator (radiator?!), how to
say 'pocketa-pocketa-pocketa' real slowly, and be able to tell time with a sundial
or hourglass. Corvair guys might have a hard time with those kinds of
things ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Of electronics and banjos |
Dan, Thanks, The pivot, as per the drawing, is the
two clevis pins at the bottom. The L arm rotates
around the point of the L which lies above the
center of the pads. As the top of the L is sucked
in by the cable the two bolts that go through to
the rear plate and pad pull that plate outwards.
Thus the the pads are pulled toward each other
onto the disc. There's less than 1/16" total
clearance between the pads and disc ( 1/32"
each side) .the back plate is 1/4" thick and doesn't
flex at all. The main plate is 1/8" and flexes a tiny
bit, hardly visible at all.
I have to appologize as I forgot to reduce the
rather large size of the drawing. I always scan
and take pics at high rez then reduce them. This
makes a huge difference when someone wants
to enlarge them. They go a lot larger before
becoming fuzzy than if you start small.
Anyway, here it is again in more reasonable size.
The pivot is the clevis on the left.
Clif
A mile of road will take you a mile, but a mile of runway will take you
anywhere.
>
> Clif,
>
how do they work?
> Thanks,
> Dan
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Wing wires and ribs |
Mario
No you did not do anything wrong. Ii is quite common for the cross wire to
hit the rib upright. You can move the rib over a bit so it will clear. I
didn't notice this until it was too late and I had to cut away the rib brace
then add a reinforcement to the upright.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 6:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing wires and ribs
-->
Hello,
I am finishing the first wing, and today I put 2 threads to see where the
wires will go through in between the ribs. Look this photo (if you want ;o)
)
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/EhUVMWzpvDw_ZNBZpDdRX9MTjNZETYmyPJy0li
ipFm0?feat=directlink
and this one
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/9eUA3QFSTDaK3zodEdH-cdMTjNZETYmyPJy0li
ipFm0?feat=directlink
here are two or thre more photos:
https://picasaweb.google.com/105721238882545681618/ConstruccionDeUnPietenpol
AirCamper#
I can move them a little far from the rib, but not to much adding something
in the wire end support, but anyway I think the vibration can touch the
rib.
How far the wires pass?, I did something wrong?.
regards.
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: Model A radiator available.... |
| From: | "RickBright" <brightwellrichard(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello Jim,
Sent you a PM, sounds like an excuse for me to get over there,
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Wing wires and ribs |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Mario,
Very nice. I had a few places with some interference also. I did a little s
anding with a round file, and added some support on the opposite side of th
e rib member by gluing on another stick of spruce. Anybody disagree with t
his?
PS Please remind me what country you are from?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:24 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing wires and ribs
Hello,
I am finishing the first wing, and today I put 2 threads to see where the w
ires
ill go through in between the ribs. Look this photo (if you want ;o) )
ttps://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/EhUVMWzpvDw_ZNBZpDdRX9MTjNZETYmyPJy0li
ipFm0?feat=directlink
and this one
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/9eUA3QFSTDaK3zodEdH-cdMTjNZETYmyPJy0l
iipFm0?feat=directlink
ere are two or thre more photos: https://picasaweb.google.com/1057212388825
45681618/ConstruccionDeUnPietenpolAirCamper#
I can move them a little far from the rib, but not to much adding something
in
he wire end support, but anyway I think the vibration can touch the rib.
How far the wires pass?, I did something wrong?.
regards.
--------
ario Giacummo
ttp://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Ski Flying |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
I gave up on any hope of more snow this year...(not that I'm complaining!)...and
pulled the skis off and put the wheels back on. But I did fly it once back
in January with my daughter. Here is a quick video of it from my buddy and airport
owner Stan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YByVOzQbWvs
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Wing wires and ribs |
| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Reading your post makes me more calm.
Thank you.
Dan; from Uruguay... Ciudad de la costa. faaaar away ;o)
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing wires and ribs |
I did the same as Dan, and so far so good....
Ben
On 3/15/2012 7:01 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Mario,
> Very nice. I had a few places with some interference also. I did a
> little sanding with a round file, and added some support on the
> opposite side of the rib member by gluing on another stick of spruce.
> Anybody disagree with this?
> PS Please remind me what country you are from?
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:24 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing wires and ribs
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "giacummo">
>
> Hello,
>
> I am finishing the first wing, and today I put 2 threads to see where the wires
> will go through in between the ribs. Look this photo (if you want ;o) )
>
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/EhUVMWzpvDw_ZNBZpDdRX9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
>
> and this one
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/9eUA3QFSTDaK3zodEdH-cdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
>
>
> here are two or thre more photos:https://picasaweb.google.com/105721238882545681618/ConstruccionDeUnPietenpolAirCamper#
>
> I can move them a little far from the rib, but not to much adding something in
> the wire end support, but anyway I think the vibration can touch the rib.
>
> How far the wires pass?, I did something wrong?.
>
> regards.
>
> --------
> Mario Giacummo
> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: You Tube link to Douwe's C-90 First Run-up in Airframe |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Great Douwe! Love the wheels!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Wing wires and ribs |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Mario I had a similar problem. It was not touching but was real close. I wrapped
the stick and the cable with Scotch 130C which is a vulcanizing rubber electrical
tape. The I wrapped the stick and the cable so it couldn't vibrate. Not
real pretty but works .
do not archive
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering and painting
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Wing wires and ribs |
| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Jerry, yes it is, it came with the engine I bought, I do not assembled it yet but
evrything looks very very nice.
Jerry Dotson wrote:
> Mario I had a similar problem. It was not touching but was real close. I wrapped
the stick and the cable with Scotch 130C which is a vulcanizing rubber electrical
tape. The I wrapped the stick and the cable so it couldn't vibrate. Not
real pretty but works .
> You project is very nice, beautiful. Is the propeller a Beech Roby?
>
> do not archive
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Ski Flying |
| From: | "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net> |
Excellent footage Don!!!!! I can relate - was only able to get up twice myself
due to lack of snow and warm temperatures. Took the skis off yesterday and put
on the wheels, should be good to go this weekend off our grass strip, expecting
temps in the 20 deg C range.
Gotta like that virgin snow where no other machine has gone.
--------
Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Wing wires and ribs |
| From: | "Piet2015" <archives(at)ktfiles.com> |
80 plus years and no one has documented which sticks need to be moved during the
rib building phase so there is no interference during wing assembly??????
"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." -- Benjamin Franklin
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing wires and ribs |
I guess the short answer is, "NO." The practical answer is, "Once the
offending uprights are filed and re-enforced, there is no interference."
Every Piet is different, and identifying which sticks should be moved would
be a waste of time. Furthermore, some builders prefer to anchor their ribs
at set dimensions on the spar, while others let them float until the wires
are placed.
Sorry, I do not see your name on your post. It would also be nice to know at
what stage you are in your project, where you are from, and, most
importantly, "How will you handle this part of the construction?"
Gary from Cool
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2015
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing wires and ribs
80 plus years and no one has documented which sticks need to be moved during
the rib building phase so there is no interference during wing
assembly??????
"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." -- Benjamin Franklin
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| Subject: | Re: Is there ANYTHING better... |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Jim...........looks like you got a quart of cement. Look to buy 3 more. I bought
a gallon and only had less than a pint left over. Your mileage may vary. You
are getting to a fun part of the build.. at least it was for me.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering and painting
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Wing wires and ribs |
| From: | "Piet2015" <archives(at)ktfiles.com> |
gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> I guess the short answer is, "NO." The practical answer is, "Once the offending
uprights are filed and re-enforced, there is no interference."
> Every Piet is different, and identifying which sticks should be moved would
> be a waste of time. Furthermore, some builders prefer to anchor their ribs
> at set dimensions on the spar, while others let them float until the wires
> are placed.
>
> Gary from Cool
>
> --
The mantra here seems to be "build according to the plans". If so, this would indicate
the ribs would be fixed at the locations shown on the plans. If the ribs
are fixed at their proper location, figuring out what sticks to move wouldn't
be a "waste of time", it would help countless future builders get it right
without having to shift rib locations or remove and whittle sticks.
A forum like this is in a position to help builders correct plans errors BEFORE
construction begins. Instead, it seems every new Piet builder must make the same
flawed build that everyone else did and then everyone here will tell them
how to fix it AFTER the fact.
Go through the archives here. Same questions over and over and over.
Seems that building it wrong and then correcting it or rebuilding it is some kind
of "Pietenpol right of passage". The thing one must do to be accepted into
the "club". If someone post a question prior to some stage of building, they
get the "build it according to the plans" or you are "over thinking this".
You asked how am I going to solve the problem. Very easy with the modern tools
we have available. I'm building a Riblett wing. When I designed my rib truss,
I modeled it in 3D CAD and made sure there where no bracing wire to stick interference.
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Model A radiator has been "claimed" |
We have a couple details to work out but for now, it's "off the market".
thanks all....
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| Subject: | Re: Wing wires and ribs |
| From: | "Piet2015" <archives(at)ktfiles.com> |
Ryan Mueller wrote:
> Apparently you do not know how to search the Matronics archives,
>
> RM
Obviously everyone posting above that had to move ribs and carve on sticks didn't
know how to search the archives properly either.
Instead of making a post that is of little practical help, why not tell us the
search term or phrase that will lead us to the archived threads that will show
us which sticks need moved on the full size rib drawing?
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| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
Well I can't remember the status of the Mountain Piet.I know it was being rebuilt
but cannot remember if it was finished how it is performing.anyway also thought
I'd see if I could sign in from this computer I am switching over to.I'm
going to a different email address so even if I get this posted I'm not sure how
I'll be able to switch my email address in the sit. Raymond
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| From: | Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Model A radiator has been "claimed" |
Congratulations Jim.=0A-=0AHans=0A =0A=0A________________________________
=0A From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>=0ATo: Pietenpol List <piet
enpol-list(at)matronics.com> =0ASent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:01 AM=0ASubj
ect: Pietenpol-List: Model A radiator has been "claimed"=0A =0A--> Pietenp
ol-List message posted by: Jim Markle =0A=0AWe h
ave a couple details to work out but for now, it's "off the market".=0A=0At
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| Subject: | Re: Piet for sale in TX |
| From: | "regchief" <kbosley(at)comcast.net> |
That would be great Kevin. I got to meet a bunch of the california guys last year
when I was working out there. Its great to meet folks in person building or
flying. I am in Austin usually on a weekly basis, one of our biggest customers
right on tech drive. I will give a shout next time I am heading that way.
Kelly
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Dave,
Apologies for the delay...I needed to return home and happily wade
through all those receipts!
My relationship with Paugcho is..."special"...so I'm not surprised that
they did not find a receipt. Now that I look at it, I see that my name
is nowhere. I am sorry, though, to hear that Troy is no longer there.
Sign of the times, I guess. The exact description is:
"WHEEL, 21X2.15-NARROW FXD-XL 2000-UP"
There is also on the left margin, a Part Number which is only partially
legible: ??6-731
There is also a line item that suggests that the retail price, as you
see below, is $339.57, for both (in Dec.=9908).
000_1185.jpg
Best wishes in your quest for the =98perfect=99 set up!
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
indyaquanaut
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels
First of all, thanks to everyone who has replied. Great information.
Gary I contacted Paugho but Troy no longer works there and they have no
record of your purchase, so without part numbers they
couldn=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t help me. If you happen to have them it
would really help.
Michael, I can make the hubs and with a little guidance could lace and
true them. Where did you get your rims and spokes and what did you do
for your brakes.
Again thanks to all, it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s very helpful
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Wing wires and ribs |
| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
The topic is closed, everybody go home.
Thanks to all, be frendly,
Best regards.
Mario, el de aya abajo, que anda casi solo en esto de fabricar avionsitos.
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Mario Giacummo
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| Subject: | Re: Is there ANYTHING better... |
| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
I little sight here and I saw someone with the same problems like me... I have
a lots of semi finished parts, vertical and horizontal tail pieces finished (or
quasi finished) months ago, now in the covering process, finishing a wing (5
month) a beginin with the second on, the center section, in the same stata as
6 month ago, the fuselage.... ataching the iron plates, my father making and
remaking some iron parts (landing gear is near the end, the engine mount waiting
for soldering, remaking the upper front fusselage iron plates of the engine
support) , and so on.. a lot of things are there.. but not finished yet.. what
a job!!!!!
regards
mario
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Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Hello,
Today I am very ..... interested in everything I red... talking about the wheels,
I am going to operate the airplane over grass fields, and eventualy those fields
are rought; I ask you, is there any difference between thick and thin wheels?...
thank you,
mario
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Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Mario,
Big diameter wheels will roll over those rough fields a little easier. They
are heavy, though. My wheels weigh close to 25lbs each! I would not want the
rims to be any wider. I understand that the aluminum wheels from Baslee are
considerably lighter...but more expensive. Not sure if that answers your
question...
Gary from Cool
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