Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-lc
March 15, 2012 - March 27, 2012
-----Original Message-----
| From: | owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com |
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:13 PM
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Hello,
Today I am very ..... interested in everything I red... talking about the
wheels, I am going to operate the airplane over grass fields, and eventualy
those fields are rought; I ask you, is there any difference between thick
and thin wheels?...
thank you,
mario
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Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368652#368652
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| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
May be I did the bad question, I know they have to have big diameter, but I ask
about how thik.. 3", 5"....7" . is any difference in rough fields?.. I think
wider could be beter, but may be not.. this is why I ask
Thank you Gary.
mario
gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Mario,
>
> Big diameter wheels will roll over those rough fields a little easier. They
> are heavy, though. My wheels weigh close to 25lbs each! I would not want the
> rims to be any wider. I understand that the aluminum wheels from Baslee are
> considerably lighter...but more expensive. Not sure if that answers your
> question...
>
> Gary from Cool
> NX308MB
>
> --
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Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368658#368658
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| Subject: | 2 local EAA members gone west |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Today 2 of our EAA Chapter 108 members lost their life in a Piel Emeraude CP-301-A
just off the north end of Ruckel(FL17). No details other than their names
Don Marco and Stan Bloyer. Don was the chapter Flight Adviser. Stan has flown
lots of military stuff. I knew both of them and my youngest son flew with Stan
on several occasions.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering and painting
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: 2 local EAA members gone west |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Sorry to hear that Jerry.
We lost two of our friends and fellow EAA members off the north end of our runway
in 2010... I was working on the Piet and saw them spin in... just a sickening
feeling.
Prayers for you and your group.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Mine are 3" wide and have seen some pretty rough fields, with no problems.
I don't think you'd need them any wider.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels
May be I did the bad question, I know they have to have big diameter, but I
ask about how thik.. 3", 5"....7" . is any difference in rough fields?.. I
think wider could be beter, but may be not.. this is why I ask
Thank you Gary.
mario
gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Mario,
>
> Big diameter wheels will roll over those rough fields a little easier.
They
> are heavy, though. My wheels weigh close to 25lbs each! I would not want
the
> rims to be any wider. I understand that the aluminum wheels from Baslee
are
> considerably lighter...but more expensive. Not sure if that answers your
> question...
>
> Gary from Cool
> NX308MB
>
> --
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368658#368658
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
Mountain Piet is being rebuilt by Greg Bacon in Missouri. The wing panel is
ready for covering.
He is hoping to have it at Brodhead this year but a heavy work schedule with
his job may prevent that.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wondering
>
>
> Well I can't remember the status of the Mountain Piet.I know it was being
> rebuilt but cannot remember if it was finished how it is performing.anyway
> also thought I'd see if I could sign in from this computer I am switching
> over to.I'm going to a different email address so even if I get this
> posted I'm not sure how I'll be able to switch my email address in the
> sit. Raymond
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368623#368623
>
>
>
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | hand help radio question |
I believe I've asked this a while back, but lost it, so accept my apologies.
Two questions.
1. what handheld radio should I purchase. Something simple just to
communicate.
2. Is your radio range acceptable or should I look into adding an
external antennae of some kind.
Thanks!
Douwe
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| From: | Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com> |
Diameter is more important that width for rough field landings.=0AOnly on s
oft soil a wider wheel would be beneficial.=0A-=0ABut regardless of that
I have standard 6" Aircraft wheels and have found no problem either way.=0A
-=0AMy home field is 3000 ft of grass strip, not always mowed, soft after
a rain shower and with the occasional gopher hole.=0AEven made a ,engine o
ut, off field landing once on a freshly harvested cornfield, 90 degrees acr
oss the 6" deep planting rows, without a problem.=0A-=0AHans=0A-=0ANX15
KV=0AWaller, TX=0A- =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: giacu
mmo =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent:
Thursday, March 15, 2012 7:36 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels
ail.com>=0A=0AMay be I did the bad question, I know they have to have big d
iameter, but I ask about how thik.. 3", 5"....7"- . is any difference in
rough fields?.. I think wider could be beter, but may be not.. this is why
I ask=0A=0AThank you Gary.=0A=0Amario=0A=0A=0Agboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote
:=0A> Mario,=0A> =0A> Big diameter wheels will roll over those rough fields
a little easier. They=0A> are heavy, though. My wheels weigh close to 25lb
s each! I would not want the=0A> rims to be any wider. I understand that th
e aluminum wheels from Baslee are=0A> considerably lighter...but more expen
sive. Not sure if that answers your=0A> question...=0A> =0A> Gary from Cool
=0A> NX308MB=0A> =0A> --=0A=0A=0A--------=0AMario Giacummo=0Ahttp://vgmk1.b
logspot.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.m
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Mario, my rims are 21" across and 3" wide.- There are a lot of factors th
at could play a role here, but my main concern, of course, is weight and to
a lesser degree, ascetics.- As mentioned, the large wheels/tires and the
wood straight axle gear are very heavy. As much as it pained me to do it,
I went with this heavy set up because I prefer the look of this assembly.
- If you use the wood gear with wire wheels, I doubt you will notice any
difference in feel between the various rim diameters generally used for thi
s set up.
Thin rims will tend to dig into soft earth, the wide will have a larger sur
face area at contact and will tend to ride "on" the terrain.- Wider rims
may introduce more aero. drag in flight.- Wider rims may weight more then
the thin...
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: hand help radio question |
Douwe,=0A=C2-=0AI use the Icom A6 with a Dave Clark head set and home mad
e PTT switch on the Stick.=0A=C2-=0AStandard antenna, good reception, 20+
miles (other aircraft)=0ATransmitting range 3-5 miles (in the air)=0A=C2
-=0AI=C2-am happy with it=0A=C2-=0AHans=0A=C2-=0ANX15KV=0AWaller, T
X=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Douwe Blumberg <douweb
lumberg(at)earthlink.net>=0ATo: pietenpolgroup
=0ASent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:30 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: hand hel
p radio question=0A =0A=0A =0AI believe I=99ve asked this a while ba
ck, but lost it,=0Aso accept my apologies. =0A=C2- =0ATwo questions
=0A=C2- =0A1. what handheld radio should I purchase.=C2- Somethi
ng simple just to communicate. =0A2. Is your radio range acceptable or s
hould I look into adding an external antennae of some kind. =0A=C2- =0AT
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| From: | Ed Wischmeyer <news(at)greatusermanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun |
If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an
appropriate subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If
you're flying down from the north, I live just outside Savannah, GA, and
we could do the story the weekend before.
thanks
Ed Wischmeyer
912 665-2969
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Wheels and Rough fields |
I think it is fairly clear that the best wheel for "rough" fields is a large
tundra type tire. However, if you want to use a large diameter,
old-fashioned type wheel.
You are correct that the larger diameter the wheel, the easier it will
handle rough terrain, especially holes.
You are also technically correct that the wider the wheel, the less it will
sink in as it is spreading the weight out over a larger footprint.
HOWEVER, these are heavy wheels and larger diameter and wider tires add LOTS
of weight when you're talking about 21" wheels.
I would take the advise of those who have flown off a lot of different
surfaces like Jack Phillips and if he says 3" works, I'd go with that.
One options I'd consider for rough fields while still keeping the old
looking wheels is the 26 X 4" high pressure aircraft tires that Coker Tire
sells, IF you could find a rim for them. They might sell them. There was a
Piet at Rhinebeck Aerodrome that used these and it looked very nice, though
it would be a VERY expensive wheel.
Good luck and keep building!! (and disregard the grumpy people on this
list.)
Yours,
Douwe
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| From: | Jeff Wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: hand help radio question |
Hi Douwe,
I like any of the Icom line.
Check them out here.
http://www.mypilotstore.com/MyPilotStore/secd/12
They have hard to beat prices too.
As an EE, I absolutely recommend an external antenna. Especially if you fly c
ross country. Be sure to build in a ground plane to mount it to.
Jeff Wilson
St. Louis, MO
Fuse done, no gear yet
Wings done, need brace wires yet
A-65/Hegy semi-scimitar
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 16, 2012, at 8:30 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" w
rote:
> I believe I=99ve asked this a while back, but lost it, so accept my a
pologies.
>
> Two questions
>
> what handheld radio should I purchase. Something simple just to communica
te.
> Is your radio range acceptable or should I look into adding an external an
tennae of some kind.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: hand help radio question |
| From: | John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com> |
1. I do not recommend Vertex Standard. Although it worked OK for a while,
it now has squelch problems. Also the frequency change knob is easily
bumped in and you are on the wrong frequency. Finally, the read out is
tiny (for us old guys).
2. An external antenna helps tremendously (at least on an aluminum
aircraft. On the fabric you will need a ground plane (not a big
deal--just a honk'o'metal plate.
John, A-65 engine rebuild complete, Aircraft 90% done 90% to go
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> I believe I=92ve asked this a while back, but lost it, so accept my
> apologies.****
>
> ** **
>
> Two questions=85****
>
> ** **
>
> 1. what handheld radio should I purchase. Something simple just to
> communicate.****
> 2. Is your radio range acceptable or should I look into adding an
> external antennae of some kind.****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks!****
>
> ** **
>
> Douwe****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
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John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: hand help radio question |
In my buddies 1947 Aeronca Champ we use:
an old ICOM AC21 with an external antenna put in the cargo area behind the rear
seat (not mounted outside the airplane.) (available for about $100 used on Ebay)
with an Sigtronics SPO22 Intercom (around $200) with PTT built into the stick.
and 2 Lightspeed ANR 15 XLC headsets (NOS for $400 each when the New model Zulu
came out)
All put into a fixed mount beside the front pilot where the rear pilot can reach
it.
There is an option to use a small motorcycle battery mounted under the front seat,
but it is more hassle to recharge than the ICOM Battery and so it not often
used.
We get about 5+ miles range and it is very reliable.
In My 1947 Vtail Bonanza I use and ICOM AC21 with the short rubber whip and gets
3-4 mile range.
The ICOM AC21 also has the ability to navigate to VORs but the Champ mount is
not set up for it and it is a hassle to do freehand. Especially since I now need
reading glasses to read the panel.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:02
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hand help radio question
> Douwe,
>
> I use the Icom A6 with a Dave Clark head set and home made PTT
> switch on the Stick.
>
> Standard antenna, good reception, 20+ miles (other aircraft)
> Transmitting range 3-5 miles (in the air)
>
> Iam happy with it
>
> Hans
>
> NX15KV
> Waller, TX
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Douwe Blumberg <
> To: pietenpolgroup <
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:30 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: hand help radio question
>
>
>
> I believe Ive asked this a while back, but lost it,
> so accept my apologies.
>
> Two questions
>
> 1. what handheld radio should I purchase. Something simple just to communicate.
> 2. Is your radio range acceptable or should I look into adding an external antennae
of some kind.
>
> T========
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| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you very much, on less problem to think in.. ;o)
speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.n wrote:
> Mario, my rims are 21" across and 3" wide. There are a lot of factors that could
play a role here, but my main concern, of course, is weight and to a lesser
degree, ascetics. As mentioned, the large wheels/tires and the wood straight
axle gear are very heavy. As much as it pained me to do it, I went with this
heavy set up because I prefer the look of this assembly. If you use the wood
gear with wire wheels, I doubt you will notice any difference in feel between
the various rim diameters generally used for this set up.
>
> Thin rims will tend to dig into soft earth, the wide will have a larger surface
area at contact and will tend to ride "on" the terrain. Wider rims may introduce
more aero. drag in flight. Wider rims may weight more then the thin...
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368688#368688
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: hand help radio question |
Reception is about 20+or- miles and transmission is about 5 miles or-
Just a thot. A cheap and light panel mount COM only runs about $1100 plus antenna
and some form of electricity (battery?)
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:42
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hand help radio question
> NGB" <
>
> In my buddies 1947 Aeronca Champ we use:
>
> an old ICOM AC21 with an external antenna put in the cargo area behind the rear
seat (not mounted outside the airplane.) (available for about $100 used on
Ebay)
> with an Sigtronics SPO22 Intercom (around $200) with PTT built into the stick.
> and 2 Lightspeed ANR 15 XLC headsets (NOS for $400 each when the New model Zulu
came out)
> All put into a fixed mount beside the front pilot where the rear pilot can reach
it.
>
> There is an option to use a small motorcycle battery mounted under the front
seat, but it is more hassle to recharge than the ICOM Battery and so it not often
used.
>
> We get about 5+ miles range and it is very reliable.
>
> In My 1947 Vtail Bonanza I use and ICOM AC21 with the short rubber whip and gets
3-4 mile range.
>
> The ICOM AC21 also has the ability to navigate to VORs but the Champ mount is
not set up for it and it is a hassle to do freehand. Especially since I now
need reading
> glasses to read the panel.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hans van der Voort <
> Date: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:02
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hand help radio question
> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" <
>
>
> > Douwe,
> >
> > I use the Icom A6 with a Dave Clark head set and home made PTT
> > switch on the Stick.
> >
> > Standard antenna, good reception, 20+ miles (other aircraft)
> > Transmitting range 3-5 miles (in the air)
> >
> > Iam happy with it
> >
> > Hans
> >
> > NX15KV
> > Waller, TX
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Douwe Blumberg <> To: pietenpolgroup <> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012
8:30 AM
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: hand help radio question
> >
> >
> >
> > I believe Ive asked this a while back, but lost it,
> > so accept my apologies.
> >
> > Two questions
> >
> > 1. what handheld radio should I purchase. Something simple just to communicate.
> > 2. Is your radio range acceptable or should I look into adding an external
antennae of some kind.
> >
> > T========
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: hand help radio question |
| From: | "bradandlinda tds.net" <bradandlinda(at)tds.net> |
you can add a standard antenna inside the fuseladge behind the rear pilot
seat..mount in a vertical plane..one source recommends adding a 6" metal
disc at the ant base for better recption..much better than ant on hand held
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> I believe I=92ve asked this a while back, but lost it, so accept my
> apologies.****
>
> ** **
>
> Two questions=85****
>
> ** **
>
> 1. what handheld radio should I purchase. Something simple just to
> communicate.****
> 2. Is your radio range acceptable or should I look into adding an
> external antennae of some kind.****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks!****
>
> ** **
>
> Douwe****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wheels and Rough fields |
| From: | "bradandlinda tds.net" <bradandlinda(at)tds.net> |
I once heard that the oldtimers with their large dia. wheels (if they had a
forced landing on an aplowed field) would land across the furrows because
they could roll over the furrows but because the tires were narrow would
sink in the soft ruts if they landed lengthwise. modern small dia. tires
should land lengthwise because the furrows would act like wheel chocks
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> I think it is fairly clear that the best wheel for =93rough=94 fields is
a
> large tundra type tire. However, if you want to use a large diameter,
> old-fashioned type wheel=85****
>
> ** **
>
> You are correct that the larger diameter the wheel, the easier it will
> handle rough terrain, especially holes.****
>
> ** **
>
> You are also technically correct that the wider the wheel, the less it
> will sink in as it is spreading the weight out over a larger footprint.**
*
> *
>
> ** **
>
> HOWEVER, these are heavy wheels and larger diameter and wider tires add
> LOTS of weight when you=92re talking about 21=94 wheels.****
>
> ** **
>
> I would take the advise of those who have flown off a lot of different
> surfaces like Jack Phillips and if he says 3=94 works, I=92d go with that
.****
>
> ** **
>
> One options I=92d consider for rough fields while still keeping the old
> looking wheels is the 26 X 4=94 high pressure aircraft tires that Coker T
ire
> sells, IF you could find a rim for them. They might sell them. There wa
s
> a Piet at Rhinebeck Aerodrome that used these and it looked very nice,
> though it would be a VERY expensive wheel.****
>
> ** **
>
> Good luck and keep building!! (and disregard the grumpy people on this
> list=85)****
>
> ** **
>
> Yours,****
>
> ** **
>
> Douwe****
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: hand help radio question |
| From: | "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Vertical ground plane?? I would have guessed horizontal
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 16, 2012, at 9:46 AM, "bradandlinda tds.net" w
rote:
> you can add a standard antenna inside the fuseladge behind the rear pilot s
eat..mount in a vertical plane..one source recommends adding a 6" metal disc
at the ant base for better recption..much better than ant on hand held
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> I believe I=99ve asked this a while back, but lost it, so accept my a
pologies.
>
>
>
> Two questions
>
>
>
> what handheld radio should I purchase. Something simple just to communica
te.
> Is your radio range acceptable or should I look into adding an external an
tennae of some kind.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: hand help radio question |
Hi Douwe
There are usually some specials at SNF and OSH on radios. I am going to
buy a new one at SNF. I will e mail you the price I am paying.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: hand help radio question
I believe I've asked this a while back, but lost it, so accept my
apologies.
Two questions.
1.. what handheld radio should I purchase. Something simple just to
communicate.
2.. Is your radio range acceptable or should I look into adding an
external antennae of some kind.
Thanks!
Douwe
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun |
I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun.
Only live 70 miles away in Titusville, Fl if you'd rather see it there.
Ben Charvet
On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote:
>
> If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an
> appropriate subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know.
> If you're flying down from the north, I live just outside Savannah,
> GA, and we could do the story the weekend before.
>
> thanks
>
> Ed Wischmeyer
>
>
> 912 665-2969
> *
>
>
> *
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Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Re: hand help radio question |
| From: | "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com> |
Funny story. Couple years ago at OSH I bought a handheld radio (plus a bunch of
other stuff at the same time) from Aircraft Spruce at their booth.
Later that night I started looking though all the goodies I'd bought. Got to the
the radio's box, opened it up - and NO RADIO! Had all the manuals, charger,
batteries, etc, but the radio itself wasn't there...
Long story short, the guys at the ACS booth had been displaying that particular
radio at their counter. I called them on the phone and eventually convinced
them that I wasn't trying to pull one over on them (after all, who would buy an
empty radio box...?).
They eventually figured out what happened and I got my radio (plus $20 for my trouble).
- Pat
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Patrick Hoyt
601XLb/Corvair
N63PZ - 99.999% done....
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Landing Gear V's |
Finally showing some progress got both V's tacked today. The white pole is
straight in the picture it appears droopy. 84 today wish she was done.
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Landing Gear V's |
Looking good, Jack!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 5:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear V's
Finally showing some progress got both V's tacked today. The white pole is
straight in the picture it appears droopy. 84 today wish she was done.
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
<<...>> <<...>> <<...>> <<...>>
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun |
Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN WILL NAIL YOU FOR any
damage done to their property
________________________________
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 4:20:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun. Only
live 70 miles away in Titusville, Fl if you'd rather see it there.
Ben Charvet
On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote:
>If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an
>appropriate subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If
>you're flying down from the north, I live just outside Savannah, GA, and
>we could do the story the weekend before.
>
>
>thanks
>
>
>Ed Wischmeyer
>
>
>912 665-2969
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun |
sun n fun wil only think of themselves and will get rid of anything that looks
like a disaster to the public.
________________________________
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 6:30:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN WILL NAIL YOU FOR any
damage done to their property
________________________________
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 4:20:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun. Only
live 70 miles away in Titusville, Fl if you'd rather see it there.
Ben Charvet
On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote:
>If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an
>appropriate subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If
>you're flying down from the north, I live just outside Savannah, GA, and
>we could do the story the weekend before.
>
>
>thanks
>
>
>Ed Wischmeyer
>
>
>912 665-2969
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Landing Gear V question |
If you want to fill in the landing gear V's (like a Cub) how do you do it? Is
it just fabric and do you have to have a tube at the top of the V?
John Franklin
GN-1 / Corvair
Prairie Aire 4TA0
Needville, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear V question |
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
I added a tube at the top that os used as a step to get into the front seat. Didnt
cover the gear legs though
Ben
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 16, 2012, at 9:07 PM, John Franklin wrote:
>
> If you want to fill in the landing gear V's (like a Cub) how do you do it? Is
it just fabric and do you have to have a tube at the top of the V?
>
> John Franklin
> GN-1 / Corvair
> Prairie Aire 4TA0
> Needville, TX
>
> ________________________________________
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear V question |
John,=0A-=0AYou will need Fabric support at the Top of the V=0A-=0ASee
attached picture of my current project, this "V" will be covered with fabri
c.=0AIn this case has a simple U bend profile with same width as tubing=0AA
lso has some streamlinig at the back end 1/4" tube=0A-=0AHans=0A-=0ANX1
5KV=0A-=0AWaller, TX=0A=0AFrom: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>=0ATo:
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:07 PM=0ASubj
ect: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear V question=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List messag
e posted by: John Franklin =0A=0AIf you want to fill in
the landing gear V's (like a Cub) how do you do it?- Is it just fabric a
nd do you have to have a tube at the top of the V?=0A=0AJohn Franklin=0AGN-
1 / Corvair=0APrairie Aire 4TA0=0ANeedville, TX=0A=0A______________________
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| From: | Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear V's |
Jack,=0A=C2-=0AGood work, Keep it up (or down in this case)=0A=C2-=0AHa
ns=0A=C2-=0ANX15KV=0AWaller, TX=0A=0AFrom: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>=0ATo:
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, March 16, 2012 4:41 PM=0ASubj
ect: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear V's=0A=0A=0AFinally showing some progress
got both V=99s tackedtoday.=C2- Thewhitepole is straight in the pi
cture itappearsdroopy.=C2- 84 today wish she was done=0AJack Tex
tor=0ADSM=0ANX1929T=0A<<...>> <<...>> <<...>> <<...>>
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear V's |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Looks great Jack, and quite inspiring as I contemplate my metal work. I hope to
have my fuse on gear this year.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear V's |
Thanks Mark and others, it's been one of the tougher segments to date. This
calculator http://metalgeek.com/static/cope.pcgi was helpful. Using it and
red craft? paper saved some 4130. Also, cut and fit the rear V's first, that
way you have enough scrap left for the front when you mess up the rear. :)
Still have a long way to go with the springs, lugs and brakes.
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear V's
Looks great Jack, and quite inspiring as I contemplate my metal work. I
hope to have my fuse on gear this year.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: hand help radio question |
I also use an ICOM A6 with a remote antenna and it works great. One thing t
o note however is that (at least on mine) you must use a remote PTT when us
ing a headset. If you key the mic using the radio mounted PTT it will activ
ate the mic on the radio, not the mic on the headset. The remote PTT solves
this. I did not have the same issue when using an intercom for some reason
. Bottom line is that the A6 works well.
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans van der Voort" <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:49:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hand help radio question
Douwe,
I use the Icom A6 with a Dave Clark head set and home made PTT switch on th
e Stick.
Standard antenna, good reception, 20+ miles (other aircraft)
Transmitting range 3-5 miles (in the air)
I am happy with it
Hans
NX15KV
Waller, TX
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: hand help radio question
I believe I=99ve asked this a while back, but lost it, so accept my a
pologies.
Two questions
1. what handheld radio should I purchase. Something simple just to comm
unicate.
2. Is your radio range acceptable or should I look into adding an exter
nal antennae of some kind.
Thanks!
Douwe
http://www.matronics.com/N================
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear V's |
Looks very nice Jack!- Good idea with the craft paper. The white poster b
oard has also saved me a lot in wood and metal costs.- Looking forward to
seeing you gear completed, so keep us posted.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear V question |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
At the risk of muddying up the water without really knowing what I'm talking about,
I will mention that I remember someone saying that covering the landing gear
vees would degrade the airplane's rudder authority by adding flat surface
to the side.
Maybe we need a "Snopes" myth-buster for this list?
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun |
I would offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt winner for 2011 but after
the bill I wont be flying it down there this year or any other year.
--- On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion wrote:
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
Date: Friday, March 16, 2012, 6:38 PM
sun n fun- wil only think of themselves and will- get rid of anything t
hat looks like a disaster to the public.
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 6:30:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN WILL NAIL YOU FOR any
damage done to their property
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 4:20:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun.- Onl
y live 70 miles away in Titusville, Fl if you'd rather see it there.
Ben Charvet
On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote:
If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an appropri
ate subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If you're fly
ing down from the north, I live just outside Savannah, GA, and we could do
the story the weekend before.
thanks
Ed Wischmeyer
912 665-2969
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun |
Nope - I've flown my Pietenpol to Sun 'n' Fun once, but never again after
what they did to the Pieten Pile folks.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Metcalfe
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
I would offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt winner for 2011 but after
the bill I wont be flying it down there this year or any other year.
--- On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion wrote:
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
Date: Friday, March 16, 2012, 6:38 PM
sun n fun wil only think of themselves and will get rid of anything that
looks like a disaster to the public.
_____
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 6:30:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN WILL NAIL YOU FOR any
damage done to their property
_____
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 4:20:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun. Only
live 70 miles away in Titusville, Fl if you'd rather see it there.
Ben Charvet
On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote:
If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an
appropriate subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If
you're flying down from the north, I live just outside Savannah, GA, and we
could do the story the weekend before.
thanks
Ed Wischmeyer
912 665-2969
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| From: | "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun |
Jack,
Enlighten us on what happened. Was this after the damage done by the storm?
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 7:54 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
Nope - I've flown my Pietenpol to Sun 'n' Fun once, but never again after
what they did to the Pieten Pile folks.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Metcalfe
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
I would offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt winner for 2011 but after
the bill I wont be flying it down there this year or any other year.
--- On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion wrote:
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
Date: Friday, March 16, 2012, 6:38 PM
sun n fun wil only think of themselves and will get rid of anything that
looks like a disaster to the public.
_____
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 6:30:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN WILL NAIL YOU FOR any
damage done to their property
_____
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 4:20:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun. Only
live 70 miles away in Titusville, Fl if you'd rather see it there.
Ben Charvet
On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote:
If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an
appropriate subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If
you're flying down from the north, I live just outside Savannah, GA, and we
could do the story the weekend before.
thanks
Ed Wischmeyer
912 665-2969
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun |
Gardiner or Barry or Frank can answer better than I can, since it happened
to them. Basically, after the storm destroyed their airplanes, they were in
the process of salvaging what they could and were preparing the planes to be
loaded on trailers, which were already on their way from Georgia. The
officials of SNF made them stop and leave their airplanes. A private
contractor, hired by SNF, then picked up the fragile, damaged aircraft with
forklifts and dumped them on a trailer, causing more damage than the storm
had done.
Then, this summer, SNF found that their insurance would not cover the cost
of the private contractor they had chosen, so they sent a letter to each of
the Pietenpol owners advising them that they would have to pay close to
$30,000 each, for the private contractor and the cost of cleaning up the
fuel spilled by the three aircraft (one of which was empty before the storm
hit) - a total of over 100 gallons! Imagine two Pietenpols holding 100
gallons of fuel between them.
Of course, the owners can defend themselves in the lawsuit which will come,
but it will cost them dearly to hire a lawyer.
There, Peter - that's the story as I know it. I may have a detail or two
confused, but essentially that's it. I think these poor pilots (who had no
insurance on their aircraft as far as I know) have been very shoddily
treated by the SNF officials. Frankly, I doubt I'll ever go back there,
which is a shame because it used to be one of my favorite fly-ins.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
Johnson
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:09 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
Jack,
Enlighten us on what happened. Was this after the damage done by the storm?
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 7:54 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
Nope - I've flown my Pietenpol to Sun 'n' Fun once, but never again after
what they did to the Pieten Pile folks.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf
Of Frank Metcalfe
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
I would offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt winner for 2011 but after
the bill I wont be flying it down there this year or any other year.
--- On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion wrote:
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
Date: Friday, March 16, 2012, 6:38 PM
sun n fun wil only think of themselves and will get rid of anything that
looks like a disaster to the public.
_____
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 6:30:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN WILL NAIL YOU FOR any
damage done to their property
_____
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 4:20:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun. Only
live 70 miles away in Titusville, Fl if you'd rather see it there.
Ben Charvet
On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote:
If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an
appropriate subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If
you're flying down from the north, I live just outside Savannah, GA, and we
could do the story the weekend before.
thanks
Ed Wischmeyer
912 665-2969
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun |
Well spoken Jack. I am about ready to cover 2 wings after they are fitted.
Hope =0Ato fly to brodhead but if I am not ready then I will drive. You sh
ould consider =0Ajoining with us(CARROLLTON EAA 696 FOR THE triple tree fl
y in just after Labor =0Aday. Cheers, Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________
__________________=0AFrom: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>=0ATo: pie
tenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, March 17, 2012 7:17:31 PM=0ASubject:
RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun=0A=0A =0AGardiner
or Barry or Frank can answer better than I can, since it happened to =0At
hem. Basically, after the storm destroyed their airplanes, they were in th
e =0Aprocess of salvaging what they could and were preparing the planes to
be loaded =0Aon trailers, which were already on their way from Georgia . T
he officials of =0ASNF made them stop and leave their airplanes. A private
contractor, hired by =0ASNF, then picked up the fragile, damaged aircraft
with forklifts and dumped them =0Aon a trailer, causing more damage than th
e storm had done. =0A=0A =0AThen, this summer, SNF found that their insura
nce would not cover the cost of =0Athe private contractor they had chosen,
so they sent a letter to each of the =0APietenpol owners advising them that
they would have to pay close to $30,000 =0Aeach, for the private contracto
r and the cost of cleaning up the fuel spilled by =0Athe three aircraft (on
e of which was empty before the storm hit) =93 a total of =0Aover 100
gallons! Imagine two Pietenpols holding 100 gallons of fuel between =0Ath
em.=0A =0AOf course, the owners can defend themselves in the lawsuit which
will come, but =0Ait will cost them dearly to hire a lawyer.=0A =0AThere, P
eter =93 that=99s the story as I know it. I may have a detail
or two =0Aconfused, but essentially that=99s it. I think these poor
pilots (who had no =0Ainsurance on their aircraft as far as I know) have be
en very shoddily treated by =0Athe SNF officials. Frankly, I doubt I
=99ll ever go back there, which is a shame =0Abecause it used to be one of
my favorite fly-ins.=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ASmith Mountain Lake, V
irginia=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpo
l-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronic
s.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson=0ASent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:09 P
M=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenp
ol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun=0A =0AJack,=0A =0AEnlighten us on what happen
ed. Was this after the damage done by the storm?=0A =0ACheers=0A =0APeter
=0AWonthaggi Australia=0Ahttp://www.cpc-world.com=0A =0A =0A =0AFrom:owner
-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server
@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips=0ASent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 7:
54 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pie
tenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun=0A =0ANope =93 I=99ve flown m
y Pietenpol to Sun =98n=99 Fun once, but never again after what
=0Athey did to the Pieten Pile folks.=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ASmit
h Mountain Lake, Virginia=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AF
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be flying it down there this year or any other year. =0A=0A=0A--- On Fri,
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ietenpol that would be an appropriate =0Asubject for a Kitplanes pilot re
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun |
What is the EAA relationship to Sun n Fun?
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Saturday, March 17, 2012 18:46
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
> Well spoken Jack. I am about ready to cover 2 wings after they are
> fitted. Hope
> to fly to brodhead but if I am not ready then I will drive. You
> should consider
> joining with us(CARROLLTON EAA 696 FOR THE triple tree fly in just
> after Labor
> day. Cheers, Gardiner
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jack Phillips <
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sat, March 17, 2012 7:17:31 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
>
>
> Gardiner or Barry or Frank can answer better than I can, since it happened to
> them. Basically, after the storm destroyed their airplanes, they were in the
> process of salvaging what they could and were preparing the planes to be loaded
> on trailers, which were already on their way from Georgia . The officials of
> SNF made them stop and leave their airplanes. A private contractor, hired by
> SNF, then picked up the fragile, damaged aircraft with forklifts and dumped them
> on a trailer, causing more damage than the storm had done.
>
>
> Then, this summer, SNF found that their insurance would not cover the cost of
> the private contractor they had chosen, so they sent a letter to each of the
> Pietenpol owners advising them that they would have to pay close to $30,000
> each, for the private contractor and the cost of cleaning up the fuel spilled
by
> the three aircraft (one of which was empty before the storm hit) a total of
> over 100 gallons! Imagine two Pietenpols holding 100 gallons of fuel between
> them.
>
> Of course, the owners can defend themselves in the lawsuit which will come, but
> it will cost them dearly to hire a lawyer.
>
> There, Peter thats the story as I know it. I may have a detail or two
> confused, but essentially thats it. I think these poor pilots (who had no
> insurance on their aircraft as far as I know) have been very shoddily treated
by
> the SNF officials. Frankly, I doubt Ill ever go back there, which is a shame
> because it used to be one of my favorite fly-ins.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:09 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
>
> Jack,
>
> Enlighten us on what happened. Was this after the damage done by the storm?
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi Australia
> http://www.cpc-world.com
>
>
>
> From:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
> Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 7:54 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
>
> Nope Ive flown my Pietenpol to Sun n Fun once, but never again after what
> they did to the Pieten Pile folks.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Metcalfe
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:41 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
>
> I would offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt winner for 2011 but after
> the bill I wont be flying it down there this year or any other year.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion < wrote:
>
> From: airlion <
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Friday, March 16, 2012, 6:38 PM
> sun n fun wil only think of themselves and will get rid of anything that
> looks like a disaster to the public.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From:airlion <
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 6:30:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
> Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN WILL NAIL YOU FOR any
> damage done to their property
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From:Ben Charvet <
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 4:20:11 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
>
> I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun. Only
> live 70 miles away in Titusville , Fl if you'd rather see it there.
>
> Ben Charvet
>
> On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote:
>
> If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an appropriate
> subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If you're flying
> down from the north, I live just outside Savannah , GA , and we could do the
> story the weekend before.
>
>
> thanks
>
> Ed Wischmeyer
>
>
> 912 665-2969
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ben Charvet, PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
>
>
>
>
>
> " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com
> llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
> href="blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="blockedhttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear V question |
Oscar, a the risk of showing my ignorance, how much effect could it have? the LG
are just about at the pivot point of the aircraft.
Steve, "not an aerodynamacyst" D
----- Original Message -----
From: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Saturday, March 17, 2012 14:26
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear V question
>
> At the risk of muddying up the water without really knowing what I'm talking
about, I will mention that I remember someone saying that
> covering the landing gear vees would degrade the airplane's rudder
> authority by adding flat surface to the side.
>
> Maybe we need a "Snopes" myth-buster for this list?
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368775#368775
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun |
There you go, That's a story for kit planes, but I doubt it will ever end u
p in print=0A=C2-=0AHans=0A=C2-=0ANX15KV=0AWaller, TX=0A=0AFrom: Jack P
hillips =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent
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for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun=0A=0AGardiner or Barry=C2- or Frank can answe
r better than I can, since it happened to them.=C2- Basically, after the
storm destroyed their airplanes, they were in the process of salvaging what
they could and were preparing the planes to be loaded on trailers, which w
ere already on their way from Georgia .=C2- The officials of SNF made the
m stop and leave their airplanes.=C2- A private contractor, hired by SNF,
then picked up the fragile, damaged aircraft with forklifts and dumped the
m on a trailer, causing more damage than the storm had done.=C2- =0A=C2
-=0AThen, this summer, SNF found that their insurance would not cover the
cost of the private contractor they had chosen, so they sent a letter to e
ach of the Pietenpol owners advising them that they would have to pay close
to $30,000 each, for the private contractor and the cost of cleaning up th
e fuel spilled by the three aircraft (one of which was empty before the sto
rm hit) =93 a total of over 100 gallons!=C2- Imagine two Pietenpols
holding 100 gallons of fuel between them.=0A=C2-=0AOf course, the owners
can defend themselves in the lawsuit which will come, but it will cost the
m dearly to hire a lawyer.=0A=C2-=0AThere, Peter =93 that=99s
the story as I know it.=C2- I may have a detail or two confused, but ess
entially that=99s it.=C2- I think these poor pilots (who had no ins
urance on their aircraft as far as I know) have been very shoddily treated
by the SNF officials.=C2- Frankly, I doubt I=99ll ever go back ther
e, which is a shame because it used to be one of my favorite fly-ins.=0A=C2
-=0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ASmith Mountain Lake, Virginia=0A=C2-=0AFr
om:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-s
erver(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson=0ASent: Saturday, March 1
7, 2012 6:09 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol
-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun=0A=C2-=0AJack,=0A=C2-=0AEnl
ighten us on what happened. Was this after the damage done by the storm?=0A
=C2-=0ACheers=0A=C2-=0APeter=0AWonthaggi Australia=0Ahttp://www.cpc-wor
ld.com=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matron
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k Phillips=0ASent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 7:54 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matro
nics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fu
n=0A=C2-=0ANope =93 I=99ve flown my Pietenpol to Sun
=98n=99 Fun once, but never again after what they did to the Pieten P
ile folks.=0A=C2-=0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ASmith Mountain Lake, Virgin
ia=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-
pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Metcalfe=0ASent: Sa
turday, March 17, 2012 4:41 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject
: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun=0A=C2-=0AI wou
ld offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt winner for 2011 but after the
bill I wont be flying it down there this year or any other year. =0A=0A---
On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:=0A=0AFrom: airlion
=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitpla
nes at Sun n Fun=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ADate: Friday, March 1
6, 2012, 6:38 PM=0Asun n fun=C2- wil only think of themselves and will=C2
- get rid of anything that looks like a disaster to the public.=0A=C2-
=0AFrom:airlion =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
=0ASent: Fri, March 16, 2012 6:30:20 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet
enpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun=0ABest you check out your tornado insuranc
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=0AFrom:Ben Charvet =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.c
om=0ASent: Fri, March 16, 2012 4:20:11 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Pieten
pol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun=0A=0AI'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-
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Fl if you'd rather see it there.=0A=0ABen Charvet=0A=0AOn 3/16/2012 9:50 A
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun |
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
EAA doesn't have any ties to SNF anymore. Its run by a corp. Sorry to have brought
such a bad memory back. I was there during the tornado last year and bad
weather on the Tues before is the only reason my Piet wasnt in the "pile". Still
, flyin there has been on my bucket list since long before I bought my plans.....
Ben
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 17, 2012, at 7:57 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
wrote:
>
> What is the EAA relationship to Sun n Fun?
>
> Steve D
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
> Date: Saturday, March 17, 2012 18:46
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
>> Well spoken Jack. I am about ready to cover 2 wings after they are
>> fitted. Hope
>> to fly to brodhead but if I am not ready then I will drive. You
>> should consider
>> joining with us(CARROLLTON EAA 696 FOR THE triple tree fly in just
>> after Labor
>> day. Cheers, Gardiner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jack Phillips <
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Sat, March 17, 2012 7:17:31 PM
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
>>
>>
>> Gardiner or Barry or Frank can answer better than I can, since it happened
to
>> them. Basically, after the storm destroyed their airplanes, they were in the
>> process of salvaging what they could and were preparing the planes to be loaded
>> on trailers, which were already on their way from Georgia . The officials of
>> SNF made them stop and leave their airplanes. A private contractor, hired by
>> SNF, then picked up the fragile, damaged aircraft with forklifts and dumped
them
>> on a trailer, causing more damage than the storm had done.
>>
>>
>> Then, this summer, SNF found that their insurance would not cover the cost of
>> the private contractor they had chosen, so they sent a letter to each of the
>> Pietenpol owners advising them that they would have to pay close to $30,000
>> each, for the private contractor and the cost of cleaning up the fuel spilled
by
>> the three aircraft (one of which was empty before the storm hit) a total of
>> over 100 gallons! Imagine two Pietenpols holding 100 gallons of fuel between
>> them.
>>
>> Of course, the owners can defend themselves in the lawsuit which will come,
but
>> it will cost them dearly to hire a lawyer.
>>
>> There, Peter thats the story as I know it. I may have a detail or two
>> confused, but essentially thats it. I think these poor pilots (who had no
>> insurance on their aircraft as far as I know) have been very shoddily treated
by
>> the SNF officials. Frankly, I doubt Ill ever go back there, which is a shame
>> because it used to be one of my favorite fly-ins.
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>> NX899JP
>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson
>> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:09 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
>>
>> Jack,
>>
>> Enlighten us on what happened. Was this after the damage done by the storm?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Peter
>> Wonthaggi Australia
>> http://www.cpc-world.com
>>
>>
>>
>> From:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
>> Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 7:54 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
>>
>> Nope Ive flown my Pietenpol to Sun n Fun once, but never again after what
>> they did to the Pieten Pile folks.
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>> NX899JP
>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Metcalfe
>> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:41 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
>>
>> I would offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt winner for 2011 but after
>> the bill I wont be flying it down there this year or any other year.
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion < wrote:
>>
>> From: airlion <
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Friday, March 16, 2012, 6:38 PM
>> sun n fun wil only think of themselves and will get rid of anything that
>> looks like a disaster to the public.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From:airlion <
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 6:30:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
>> Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN WILL NAIL YOU FOR any
>> damage done to their property
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From:Ben Charvet <
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 4:20:11 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
>>
>> I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun. Only
>> live 70 miles away in Titusville , Fl if you'd rather see it there.
>>
>> Ben Charvet
>>
>> On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote:
>>
>> If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an appropriate
>> subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If you're flying
>> down from the north, I live just outside Savannah , GA , and we could do
the
>> story the weekend before.
>>
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Ed Wischmeyer
>>
>>
>> 912 665-2969
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ben Charvet, PharmD
>> Staff Pharmacist
>> Parrish Medical center
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com
>> llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>
>>
>> href="blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun |
Thanks Jack,
Not a good story. I wonder why it never made it into the public arena. This
is the first I have heard of it.
Cheers
Peter
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 10:18 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
Gardiner or Barry or Frank can answer better than I can, since it happened
to them. Basically, after the storm destroyed their airplanes, they were in
the process of salvaging what they could and were preparing the planes to be
loaded on trailers, which were already on their way from Georgia. The
officials of SNF made them stop and leave their airplanes. A private
contractor, hired by SNF, then picked up the fragile, damaged aircraft with
forklifts and dumped them on a trailer, causing more damage than the storm
had done.
Then, this summer, SNF found that their insurance would not cover the cost
of the private contractor they had chosen, so they sent a letter to each of
the Pietenpol owners advising them that they would have to pay close to
$30,000 each, for the private contractor and the cost of cleaning up the
fuel spilled by the three aircraft (one of which was empty before the storm
hit) - a total of over 100 gallons! Imagine two Pietenpols holding 100
gallons of fuel between them.
Of course, the owners can defend themselves in the lawsuit which will come,
but it will cost them dearly to hire a lawyer.
There, Peter - that's the story as I know it. I may have a detail or two
confused, but essentially that's it. I think these poor pilots (who had no
insurance on their aircraft as far as I know) have been very shoddily
treated by the SNF officials. Frankly, I doubt I'll ever go back there,
which is a shame because it used to be one of my favorite fly-ins.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
Johnson
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:09 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
Jack,
Enlighten us on what happened. Was this after the damage done by the storm?
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 7:54 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
Nope - I've flown my Pietenpol to Sun 'n' Fun once, but never again after
what they did to the Pieten Pile folks.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf
Of Frank Metcalfe
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
I would offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt winner for 2011 but after
the bill I wont be flying it down there this year or any other year.
--- On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion wrote:
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
Date: Friday, March 16, 2012, 6:38 PM
sun n fun wil only think of themselves and will get rid of anything that
looks like a disaster to the public.
_____
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 6:30:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN WILL NAIL YOU FOR any
damage done to their property
_____
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 4:20:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun. Only
live 70 miles away in Titusville, Fl if you'd rather see it there.
Ben Charvet
On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote:
If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an
appropriate subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If
you're flying down from the north, I live just outside Savannah, GA, and we
could do the story the weekend before.
thanks
Ed Wischmeyer
912 665-2969
--
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Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun |
Ben, I went to the SNF site and the EAA is not mentioned, however AOPA is a Platinum
supporter. I will prod AOPA on this. If SNF is "attacking" aircraft owners,
then they will not be getting my money. If AOPA is supporting someone who
is "attacking' Aircraft owners, then I will ride them hard. When I get more info
on this I will be letting both my current EAA chapter know what the deal is
and my previous one.
In a way this is similar to blaming the victim of a sexual assault for the attack
and making them pay for the police time and ambulance ride.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Date: Saturday, March 17, 2012 19:56
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
>
> EAA doesn't have any ties to SNF anymore. Its run by a corp. Sorry to have brought
such a bad memory back. I was there during the tornado
> last year and bad weather on the Tues before is the only reason my
> Piet wasnt in the "pile". Still , flyin there has been on my bucket
> list since long before I bought my plans.....
> Ben
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 17, 2012, at 7:57 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" < wrote:
>
> >
> > What is the EAA relationship to Sun n Fun?
> >
> > Steve D
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: airlion <
> > Date: Saturday, March 17, 2012 18:46
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> >
> >> Well spoken Jack. I am about ready to cover 2 wings after they are
> >> fitted. Hope
> >> to fly to brodhead but if I am not ready then I will drive. You
> >> should consider
> >> joining with us(CARROLLTON EAA 696 FOR THE triple tree fly in just
> >> after Labor
> >> day. Cheers, Gardiner
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Jack Phillips <>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Sent: Sat, March 17, 2012 7:17:31 PM
> >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
> >>
> >>
> >> Gardiner or Barry or Frank can answer better than I can, since it happened
to
> >> them. Basically, after the storm destroyed their airplanes, they were in
the
> >> process of salvaging what they could and were preparing the planes to be loaded
> >> on trailers, which were already on their way from Georgia . The officials
of
> >> SNF made them stop and leave their airplanes. A private contractor, hired
by
> >> SNF, then picked up the fragile, damaged aircraft with forklifts and dumped
them
> >> on a trailer, causing more damage than the storm had done.
> >>
> >>
> >> Then, this summer, SNF found that their insurance would not cover the cost
of
> >> the private contractor they had chosen, so they sent a letter to each of the
> >> Pietenpol owners advising them that they would have to pay close to $30,000
> >> each, for the private contractor and the cost of cleaning up the fuel spilled
by
> >> the three aircraft (one of which was empty before the storm hit) a total
of
> >> over 100 gallons! Imagine two Pietenpols holding 100 gallons of fuel between
> >> them.
> >>
> >> Of course, the owners can defend themselves in the lawsuit which will come,
but
> >> it will cost them dearly to hire a lawyer.
> >>
> >> There, Peter thats the story as I know it. I may have a detail or two
> >> confused, but essentially thats it. I think these poor pilots (who had no
> >> insurance on their aircraft as far as I know) have been very shoddily treated
by
> >> the SNF officials. Frankly, I doubt Ill ever go back there, which is a shame
> >> because it used to be one of my favorite fly-ins.
> >>
> >> Jack Phillips
> >> NX899JP
> >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson
> >> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:09 PM
> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
> >>
> >> Jack,
> >>
> >> Enlighten us on what happened. Was this after the damage done by the storm?
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Peter
> >> Wonthaggi Australia
> >> http://www.cpc-world.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
> >> Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 7:54 AM
> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
> >>
> >> Nope Ive flown my Pietenpol to Sun n Fun once, but never again after what
> >> they did to the Pieten Pile folks.
> >>
> >> Jack Phillips
> >> NX899JP
> >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Metcalfe
> >> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:41 PM
> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
> >>
> >> I would offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt winner for 2011 but after
> >> the bill I wont be flying it down there this year or any other year.
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion <>>
> >> From: airlion <>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at
Sun n Fun
> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Date: Friday, March 16, 2012, 6:38 PM
> >> sun n fun wil only think of themselves and will get rid of anything that
> >> looks like a disaster to the public.
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From:airlion <>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 6:30:20 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
> >> Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN WILL NAIL YOU FOR any
> >> damage done to their property
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From:Ben Charvet <>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 4:20:11 PM
> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
> >>
> >> I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun. Only
> >> live 70 miles away in Titusville , Fl if you'd rather see it there.
> >>
> >> Ben Charvet
> >>
> >> On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote:
> >>
> >> If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an appropriate
> >> subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If you're flying
> >> down from the north, I live just outside Savannah , GA , and we could do
the
> >> story the weekend before.
> >>
> >>
> >> thanks
> >>
> >> Ed Wischmeyer
> >>
> >>
> >> 912 665-2969
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ben Charvet, PharmD
> >> Staff Pharmacist
> >> Parrish Medical center
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >>
> >>
> >>
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun |
I fired the email below to the author of this piece
(http://www.eaa.org/news/2011/2011-04-01_aftermath.asp)
I will report the answer.
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
>From <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
To mjones(at)eaa.org
Subject Question on Sun N Fun suing Pietenpol owners.
Dear Ms. Jones, I noticed that you wrote an article called "Sun N Fun, the Aftermath".
is the following true?
Basically, after the storm destroyed their airplanes, the pietenpol owners whose
planes were destroyed by the tornado were in the process of salvaging what they
could and were preparing the planes to be loaded on trailers, which were already
on their way from Georgia. The officials of SNF made them stop and leave
their airplanes. A private contractor, hired by SNF, then picked up the fragile,
damaged aircraft with forklifts and dumped them on a trailer, causing more
damage than the storm had done.
Then, this summer, SNF found that their insurance would not cover the cost of the
private contractor they had chosen, so they sent a letter to each of the Pietenpol
owners advising them that they would have to pay close to $30,000 each,
for the private contractor and the cost of cleaning up the fuel spilled by the
three aircraft (one of which was empty before the storm hit) a total of over
100 gallons! Imagine two Pietenpols holding 100 gallons of fuel between them.
Of course, the owners can defend themselves in the lawsuit which will come, but
it will cost them dearly to hire a lawyer.
If true, then I think these poor pilots (who had no insurance on their aircraft
as far as I know) have been very shoddily treated by the SNF officials. Frankly,
I doubt Ill ever go to SNF if this is true, which is a shame because it was
one of my personal goals to fly to SNF.
How is SNF associated with EAA? If the EAA is part to this then I will leave the
EAA and ensure that all the members of my local EAA chapter know why.
V/R
Steve Dortch
EAA #: 556893
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, March 17, 2012 19:44
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
> There you go, That's a story for kit planes, but I doubt it will
> ever end up in print
>
> Hans
>
> NX15KV
> Waller, TX
>
> From: Jack Phillips <
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:17 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
>
> Gardiner or Barry or Frank can answer better than I can, since it happened to
them. Basically, after the storm destroyed their airplanes, they were in the
process of salvaging what they could and were preparing the planes to be loaded
on
> trailers, which were already on their way from Georgia . The
> officials of SNF made them stop and leave their airplanes. A
> private contractor, hired by SNF, then picked up the fragile,
> damaged aircraft with forklifts and dumped them on a trailer,
> causing more damage than the storm had done.
>
> Then, this summer, SNF found that their insurance would not cover
> the cost of the private contractor they had chosen, so they sent a
> letter to each of the Pietenpol owners advising them that they
> would have to pay close to $30,000 each, for the private contractor
> and the cost of cleaning up the fuel spilled by the three aircraft
> (one of which was empty before the storm hit) a total of over 100
> gallons! Imagine two Pietenpols holding 100 gallons of fuel
> between them.
>
> Of course, the owners can defend themselves in the lawsuit which
> will come, but it will cost them dearly to hire a lawyer.
>
> There, Peter thats the story as I know it. I may have a detail
> or two confused, but essentially thats it. I think these poor
> pilots (who had no insurance on their aircraft as far as I know)
> have been very shoddily treated by the SNF officials. Frankly, I
> doubt Ill ever go back there, which is a shame because it used to
> be one of my favorite fly-ins.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:09 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
>
> Jack,
>
> Enlighten us on what happened. Was this after the damage done by
> the storm?
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi Australia
> http://www.cpc-world.com
>
>
>
> From:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
> Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 7:54 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
>
> Nope Ive flown my Pietenpol to Sun n Fun once, but never again
> after what they did to the Pieten Pile folks.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Metcalfe
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:41 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
>
> I would offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt winner for 2011
> but after the bill I wont be flying it down there this year or any
> other year.
>
> --- On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion < wrote:
>
> From: airlion <
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Friday, March 16, 2012, 6:38 PM
> sun n fun wil only think of themselves and will get rid of anything that looks
like a disaster to the public.
>
> From:airlion <
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 6:30:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
> Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN WILL NAIL YOU FOR any damage
done to their property
>
> From:Ben Charvet <
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 4:20:11 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
>
> I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun. Only live
70 miles away in Titusville , Fl if you'd rather see it there.
>
> Ben Charvet
>
> On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote:
>
> If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an appropriate
subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If you're flying down
from the north, I live just outside Savannah , GA , and we could do the story
the weekend before.
>
> thanks
>
> Ed Wischmeyer
>
>
> 912 665-2969
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ben Charvet, PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Aluminum 8 plug Model A head for sale |
More shop cleaning....I have a "high" compression (6.7:1 I think) Model A head
for sale.
Never has been used. Just been sitting collecting dust.
Sorta like that fancy Thomas Finned style Mac's sells...but without the fins (or
high $$$ cost).
I have no idea what it's worth but will consider all offers...
JM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | started annual inspection early |
Well as luck would have it I didn't get to fly today.- Started out planni
ng to change the oil and go flying.- Took the piet out of hybernation, sh
e fired right up 2 blades, and purred like a kitten.- Pushed it back in t
he hangar and took the cowling off and looked around.- I noticed the carb
heat box had paint peeling and sure enough it was cracked.- We had a bro
ken weld in it a couple years ago that we repaired but it craked again, in
a bad area to try to repair.- Time to order another, so we can get in the
air, fix the old one later.- I am going to replace the wing strut hardwa
re (bolts)-with new, this is flying season #7, and 300 hrs, so it is chea
p insurance.- Also have to take off some of the tail fittings to repaint
them, Dad used POR 15 paint, And I found out from a classic car guy that it
does not hold up to UV rays (peels right off to bare metal).- Other than
that, engine looks good, compression checks good, no extra oil leaks, and
no
house paint is blowing off.- Hopefully I can get it wrapped up in a coup
le weekends, which is when winter will probably come back with a vengence.
- Also started making up a annual inspection checklist for a piet, I will
attatch for whoever wants to look at it.- Feel free to modify it for you
r own piet.
Shad
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum 8 plug Model A head for sale |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jim,
Ken Perkins was looking for one of those.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 17, 2012 10:15 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum 8 plug Model A head for sale
More shop cleaning....I have a "high" compression (6.7:1 I think) Model A h
ead
for sale.
Never has been used. Just been sitting collecting dust.
Sorta like that fancy Thomas Finned style Mac's sells...but without the fin
s (or
high $$$ cost).
I have no idea what it's worth but will consider all offers...
JM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum 8 plug Model A head for sale |
Thanks Dan,
Now that you mention it, I remember his (well, Verna's) note. :-)
Just sent him a message.
Hope you're getting in some flying with all this great weather!
JM
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Mar 18, 2012 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum 8 plug Model A head for sale
Jim,
Ken Perkins was looking for one of those.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 17, 2012 10:15 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum 8 plug Model A head for sale
More shop cleaning....I have a "high" compression (6.7:1 I think) Model A head
for sale.
Never has been used. Just been sitting collecting dust.
Sorta like that fancy Thomas Finned style Mac's sells...but without the fins (or
high $$$ cost).
I have no idea what it's worth but will consider all offers...
JM
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: started annual inspection early |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Shad, I hope you are back in the air very soon. Your checklist is
terrific. I've saved it for future reference. Of course, right now I need
one that says ... finish wing, run controls, cover wings, ... Cheers, Ken
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 10:35 PM, shad bell wrote:
> Well as luck would have it I didn't get to fly today. Started out
> planning to change the oil and go flying. Took the piet out of
> hybernation, she fired right up 2 blades, and purred like a kitten. Pushed
> it back in the hangar and took the cowling off and looked around. I
> noticed the carb heat box had paint peeling and sure enough it was
> cracked. We had a broken weld in it a couple years ago that we repaired
> but it craked again, in a bad area to try to repair. Time to order
> another, so we can get in the air, fix the old one later. I am going to
> replace the wing strut hardware (bolts) with new, this is flying season #7,
> and 300 hrs, so it is cheap insurance. Also have to take off some of the
> tail fittings to repaint them, Dad used POR 15 paint, And I found out from
> a classic car guy that it does not hold up to UV rays (peels right off to
> bare metal). Other than that, engine looks good, compression checks good,
> no extra oil leaks, and no house paint is blowing off. Hopefully I can get
> it wrapped up in a couple weekends, which is when winter will probably come
> back with a vengence. Also started making up a annual inspection checklist
> for a piet, I will attatch for whoever wants to look at it. Feel free to
> modify it for your own piet.
> Shad
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | St. Patty's @ Jim Boyer's |
Yesterday, the majority of the NoCal Squadron of West Coast Pieters met at
Jim Boyer's (Santa Rosa, Ca), to celebrate our favorite Irishman, Bernard
Pietenpol! It is worth noting that, at least for this day of celebration, we
were able to put aside our differences on the best way to power a Pietenpol
through the skies (although 4 of the 8 persons pictured are committed to
Corvair!), instead totally focusing on Jim's project. Jim's garage, loaded
with all his tools, project, extra wood and 5 engines(!), is living proof
that it is possible to get 5 lbs of horse manure into a 1 lb sack! Arlene
Boyer fed us a fine meal of corned beef and cabbage, too!
Pictured, from Left to Right, back row: The estimable Chris Tracy, Scott
Debel (tail complete, but side-tracked by getting his PPL), and, to the far
right, Ray Krause (building a Sky Scout). In front: Host, Jim Boyer
(Corvair), Bill Roach (recent attendee to CC#22 - working on engine), Yours
truly (Corvair), Kevin McDonald (just purchased and A-powered Piet), and
Mike Weaver (Corvair - soon to be deployed to Afghanistan).
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun |
Jack's account of what happened last year seems to be in line with the stor
y posted in our BPA newsletter. I remember reading it and getting all bent
out of shape over the fact that these people were being treated the way the
y were.
-
I hope the BPA newsletter follows up on this story, as they said they would
as more intell. became available.
-
-I would hope that this kind of news gets out to the general aviation pub
lic, so others who fly there will know how they will be treated when the we
ather goes wrong and their planes get damaged.
-
Unless SNF changes their ways and does right by these current plane owners,
I doubt I will attend any of their events.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: started annual inspection early |
I knew back when I was restoring my car about the POR-15 requiring a top coat for
UV protection. I am surprised they have not made a formula by now that can
handle UV with no other product needed.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Corvair core for sale |
| From: | Ameet Savant <ameetsavant(at)gmail.com> |
http://eaa80.org/show/show.php?tab=t5&title=Corvair&path=../projects/ameet_corvair/&back=/projects/index.php&anchor=#
If you are interested, please contact me at 402 516 4546. Make a reasonable
offer. It is a 1964 110 hp. It is in excellent condition.
Thanks
Ameet Savant
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ed Wischmeyer <news(at)greatusermanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpols at Sun-n-Fun |
As a pilot and as a writer, it has been a joy to spend time with and share the
passions of builders, owners and designers, and to fly and to evaluate a number
of experimental, amateur-built aircraft. Indeed, the logbooks now show 583 hours
in 88 individual experimental aircraft of 59 models.
It was some time in the last millennium when I added Kitplanes to the list of publications
for which I've written, and the majority of the Kitplanes articles
have been pilot reports. But new editors make changes, and the new editor has
decided that I will no longer write pilot reports for Kitplanes.
Be that as it may, there's still a great story to be told of the Pietenpol and
the traditions kept alive by the current generation. I still want to write that
story, still want to see it in print -- but it will be for a different publication.
Hopefully this story will be illustrated with Ben Chavret's airplane but
maybe more if I get the chance.
And if anybody has any interesting anecdotes or technical tidbits, please drop
me an email.
Ed Wischmeyer
near Savannah, GA
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols at Sun-n-Fun |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey Ed,
Sorry to hear about the editorial woes... had a friend who wrote for and was editor
of several well known auto magazines... quite a fickle world!
Anyhoo, doubtful, though not completely out of the question, that I'll make sun
and fun, however, my daughter lives in Savannah and I need to make a cross country
there to see her. Shoot me your number and I'll advise you when I do and
you can give my Piet a once over and trip around the patch.
It's Dick Navatril's first Piet and he's quite well known not only amongst Piet
types, but sun and fun types as well. A great bird of the classic variety, straight
axle, wire wheels, wood short fuse and a A-65. Might be nice to add her
flying traits to your pilot's report if we can get you in it before you finish
your article.
Conversely, should you be able to get up to the Chattanooga area, you're always
welcome.
Tools
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
I hope to finish up my lift struts tomorrow but I have one question
before I do the final welding. For those following the original plans,
on most of the photographs I have taken, it appears that at the bottom
of the stuts, the struts have been squeezed partially closed. My plan is
to chuck the struts in a vise and collapse the struts to an opening of
about 1/4". When I attach the struts, I then plan on putting washers
above and below the tab that the strut attaches to. Those of you that
have followed the original plans...did you do anything different?
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Larry William's un-radio eqiupped Piet |
Don't beat yourself up too much Larry.
She's done pretty good so far considering she doesn't have a certified
airplane engine/prop combination either. Without a "real" aircraft engine
up front and a radio it's amazing you're still alive.
:-)
Douwe
Though I know for a fact she has a glass panel.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | sold....: Aluminum 8 plug Model A head for sale |
No longer available for sale. Thank you.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>Sent: Mar 17, 2012 10:13 PM
>To: Pietenpol List
>Subject: Aluminum 8 plug Model A head for sale
>
>More shop cleaning....I have a "high" compression (6.7:1 I think) Model A head
for sale.
>
>Never has been used. Just been sitting collecting dust.
>
>Sorta like that fancy Thomas Finned style Mac's sells...but without the fins (or
high $$$ cost).
>
>I have no idea what it's worth but will consider all offers...
>
>JM
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | SNF Cleanup Costs |
This was just published on AvWeb:
Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
Owners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun tornado will
not be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a
<http://www.sun-n-fun.org/getdoc/1028ea0c-e494-4af4-b68a-c3dab885a9fc/tcc.as
px> statement, Sun 'n Fun President Lites Leenhouts said the organization
has paid all outstanding invoices and will not be billing individuals for
the costs. Last October Sun 'n Fun asked the 30 aircraft owners affected to
submit their share of about $90,000 in towing and cleanup costs to their own
insurers after Sun 'n Fun's underwriter decided it was not responsible for
those costs. Leenhouts said about 40 percent of the money was recovered that
way and Sun 'n Fun paid the rest. "Sun 'n Fun has paid this remaining
balance in good faith on behalf of those who chose not to submit the bill to
their insurance company or who did not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "At
no time has Sun 'n Fun requested that the aircraft owner[s] pay their
bill[s] directly.
The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected, saying the
decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the companies
representing the owners could make arrangements was a business decision by
Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts said the
immediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the payments
will cut into funding for aviation education programs that are the main
benefactor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the devastation
that occurred as a result of a storm we could not control, to pay for the
entire bill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profit
organization," Leenhouts said. "We are grateful to those individuals who
carried an appropriate amount of insurance as well as those that paid from
their own resources and to those who rallied together on the day of the
storm to assist in restoring the site to a clean and safe environment for
all to enjoy the following day."
The numbers don't quite add up to what the Pietenpol owners reported (they
were saying it was about $30,000 apiece), but at least now they won't have
to hire lawyers to avoid payment.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead W&B info |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Hey Top C.
I might be a little skeptical about the balance data. It did not seem like there
was much concern about getting the airplanes leveled. Could have just been me
though.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368868#368868
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup |
FYI.
Owners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun tornado will
not be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a statement, Sun 'n
Fun President Lites Leenhouts said the organization has paid all outstanding
invoices and will not be billing individuals for the costs. Last October Sun
'n Fun asked the 30 aircraft owners affected to submit their share of about
$90,000 in towing and cleanup costs to their own insurers after Sun 'n Fun's
underwriter decided it was not responsible for those costs. Leenhouts said
about 40 percent of the money was recovered that way and Sun 'n Fun paid the
rest. "Sun 'n Fun has paid this remaining balance in good faith on behalf of
those who chose not to submit the bill to their insurance company or who did
not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "At no time has Sun 'n Fun requested
that the aircraft owner[s] pay their bill[s] directly.
The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected, saying the
decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the companies
representing the owners could make arrangements was a business decision by
Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts said the
immediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the payments
will cut into funding for aviation education programs that are the main
benefactor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the devastation
that occurred as a result of a storm we could not control, to pay for the
entire bill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profit
organization," Leenhouts said. "We are grateful to those individuals who
carried an appropriate amount of insurance as well as those that paid from
their own resources and to those who rallied together on the day of the
storm to assist in restoring the site to a clean and safe environment for
all to enjoy the following day."
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
That's what I did. Actually superglued the washers to the tab so they would stay
in place while putting the struts in place.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368870#368870
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
I for one remember reading about Sun n' Fun's shameful behavior throughout
the year, as events came up. Maybe you just missed the posts?
What if one of our "barrack's attorneys'" wrote up a letter and we all
signed it and sent it in to them and a few other periodicals?
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
On 3/19/2012 5:30 AM, Don Emch wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch"
>
> That's what I did. Actually superglued the washers to the tab so they would stay
in place while putting the struts in place.
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368870#368870
>
>
Thanks for the reply Don. When you squeezed the strut, did you weld on
the reinforcing plate first? I noticed that when I tried flattening a
scrap strut, it deformed into a figure 8 shape.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: SNF Cleanup Costs |
Bob Barrows was charged $ 5,000.-- for the cleanup of his severely damaged
Bearhawk patrol.=0AHis experience was the same as the Pietenpol group. =0A
=C2-=0AAt least that's the hear say on the Bearhawk list=0A=C2-=0ASenti
ment there is the same on this list, No one is interested anymore to attend
.=0A=C2-=0ASo if airplanes do not fly to a Fly-in, will the show continue
?=0ASome will still show up a lot will not, expect SNF to be less than pre
vious years.=0A=C2-=0AHans=0A=C2-=0ANX15KV=0AWaller, TX=0A=C2- =0A=0A
________________________________=0A From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth
.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:
20 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs=0A =0A=0A =0AThis=0Awas
just published on AvWeb: =0A=C2- =0AOwners Off The Hook=0AFor SNF Tornad
o Cleanup =0AOwners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun
=0Atornado will not be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a
statement, Sun 'n Fun=0APresident Lites Leenhouts said the organization has
paid all outstanding invoices=0Aand will not be billing individuals for th
e costs. Last October Sun 'n Fun=0Aasked the 30 aircraft owners affected to
submit their share of about $90,000 in=0Atowing and cleanup costs to their
own insurers after Sun 'n Fun's underwriter=0Adecided it was not responsib
le for those costs. Leenhouts said about 40 percent=0Aof the money was reco
vered that way and Sun 'n Fun paid the rest. "Sun 'n=0AFun has paid this re
maining balance in good faith on behalf of those who chose=0Anot to submit
the bill to their insurance company or who did not carry=0Ainsurance," Leen
houts said. "At no time has Sun 'n Fun requested that=0Athe aircraft owner[
s] pay their bill[s] directly. =0AThe request caused controversy and some a
ircraft owners=0Aobjected, saying the decision to immediately remove aircra
ft before adjusters=0Afor the companies representing the owners could make
arrangements was a=0Abusiness decision by Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show cou
ld resume the next day.=0ALeenhouts said the immediate cleanup was necessar
y for safety reasons. He said=0Athe payments will cut into funding for avia
tion education programs that are the=0Amain benefactor of SNF profits each
year. "While we deeply regret the=0Adevastation that occurred as a result o
f a storm we could not control, to pay=0Afor the entire bill would have cau
sed undue hardship for our non-profit=0Aorganization," Leenhouts said. "We
are grateful to those individuals=0Awho carried an appropriate amount of in
surance as well as those that paid from=0Atheir own resources and to those
who rallied together on the day of the storm=0Ato assist in restoring the s
ite to a clean and safe environment for all to=0Aenjoy the following day."
=0AThe numbers don=99t quite add up to=0Awhat the Pietenpol owners re
ported (they were saying it was about $30,000=0Aapiece), but at least now t
hey won=99t have to hire lawyers to avoid=0Apayment. =0AJack Phillips
=0ANX899JP =0ASmith Mountain Lake, Virginia
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Sun 'n Fun not so fun |
Some of you may know of Bob Barrows, the designer of the Bearhawk series of
airplanes. Bob had his newest Bearhawk Patrol on display at SnF last year,
and it was blown over and pretty well trashed. He had the same experience
of being barred from getting to his own airplane, having it further damaged
by inappropriate equipment being used inappropriately, and getting a
multi-thousand dollar bill for 'clean up.'
Bob was Technical Counsellor on my Piet, and built a Piet a number of years
ago about as close to the original plans as any I've seen.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | SnF Backs Down on Dunning Owners |
This was on AvWeb this morning.
AVflash! SnF Addresses Last Year's Storm _back to top_
(http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/2154-full.html#top)
Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup
(http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_StormDamage_204383-1.html)
Owners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun tornado will
not be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a _statement_
(http://www.sun-n-fun.org/getdoc/1028ea0c-e494-4af4-b68a-c3dab885a9fc/tcc.aspx)
, Sun 'n Fun President Lites Leenhouts said the organization has paid all
outstanding invoices and will not be billing individuals for the costs. Last
October Sun 'n Fun asked the 30 aircraft owners affected to submit their
share of about $90,000 in towing and cleanup costs to their own insurers
after Sun 'n Fun's underwriter decided it was not responsible for those
costs. Leenhouts said about 40 percent of the money was recovered that way and
Sun 'n Fun paid the rest. "Sun 'n Fun has paid this remaining balance in
good faith on behalf of those who chose not to submit the bill to their
insurance company or who did not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "At no time
has Sun 'n Fun requested that the aircraft owner[s] pay their bill[s]
directly.
The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected, saying
the decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the
companies representing the owners could make arrangements was a business decision
by Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts said
the immediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the
payments will cut into funding for aviation education programs that are the main
benefactor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the devastation
that occurred as a result of a storm we could not control, to pay for the
entire bill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profit
organization," Leenhouts said. "We are grateful to those individuals who carried
an
appropriate amount of insurance as well as those that paid from their own
resources and to those who rallied together on the day of the storm to assist
in restoring the site to a clean and safe environment for all to enjoy the
following day."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup |
"the decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the companies
representing the owners could make arrangements was a business decision by Sun
'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day."
Since it was their decision then they should pay for the results. Apparently some
owners paid the bill and some did not. So now the financial burden has been
unevenly borne simply based on who paid and when.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:31
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup
> FYI.
>
> Owners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun
> tornado will
> not be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a
> statement, Sun 'n
> Fun President Lites Leenhouts said the organization has paid all
> outstandinginvoices and will not be billing individuals for the
> costs. Last October Sun
> 'n Fun asked the 30 aircraft owners affected to submit their share
> of about
> $90,000 in towing and cleanup costs to their own insurers after Sun
> 'n Fun's
> underwriter decided it was not responsible for those costs.
> Leenhouts said
> about 40 percent of the money was recovered that way and Sun 'n Fun
> paid the
> rest. "Sun 'n Fun has paid this remaining balance in good faith on
> behalf of
> those who chose not to submit the bill to their insurance company
> or who did
> not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "At no time has Sun 'n Fun
> requestedthat the aircraft owner[s] pay their bill[s] directly.
>
> The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected,
> saying the
> decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the
> companiesrepresenting the owners could make arrangements was a
> business decision by
> Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts
> said the
> immediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the
> paymentswill cut into funding for aviation education programs that
> are the main
> benefactor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the
> devastationthat occurred as a result of a storm we could not
> control, to pay for the
> entire bill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profit
> organization," Leenhouts said. "We are grateful to those
> individuals who
> carried an appropriate amount of insurance as well as those that
> paid from
> their own resources and to those who rallied together on the day of
> thestorm to assist in restoring the site to a clean and safe
> environment for
> all to enjoy the following day."
>
>
> Jack Textor
> DSM
> NX1929T
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Rick
4130 and 1020 steel form easily when heated and if allowed to cool in calm air
slowly will return to its full strength. To get your strut to form correctly you
need to heat the end of the strut to a red color and then quickly flatten the
end in your vice. Put a temporary spacer into the end of the tubing so it
will have something to press against and leave the correct amount of space for
the fuselage tab to fit after you flatten it. You might need to heat and fatten
several times because it cools quickly.
If you try to do it without heating you run a high probability of getting cracks.
--------
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Inst. Panel design |
Group,
I have the basic set up for my panel in mind but would like to request
from the group pictures of your panels. I have combed over
WestCoast-Piet and other sites for other ideas also. I thought it might
be an interesting thread to see what people have done with instrument
placement, type of ply, or veneer wood or metal finish. I think I am
leaning towards a burl veneer panel. Look forward to any panel pics.
Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Inst. Panel design |
| From: | "bradandlinda tds.net" <bradandlinda(at)tds.net> |
Brian, Google up NX29NX, and one of the sites it has a picture of the
beautiful panel Rob Bach made on my Piet.
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 10:39 AM, <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote:
>
> Group,
> I have the basic set up for my panel in mind but would like to request
> from the group pictures of your panels. I have combed over
> WestCoast-Piet and other sites for other ideas also. I thought it might
> be an interesting thread to see what people have done with instrument
> placement, type of ply, or veneer wood or metal finish. I think I am
> leaning towards a burl veneer panel. Look forward to any panel pics.
> Thanks.
>
> Brian
> SLC-UT
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Inst. Panel design |
Brian,
Mine includes some basic electric because of the Corvair charging system.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Inst. Panel design
Group,
I have the basic set up for my panel in mind but would like to request from
the group pictures of your panels. I have combed over WestCoast-Piet and
other sites for other ideas also. I thought it might be an interesting
thread to see what people have done with instrument placement, type of ply,
or veneer wood or metal finish. I think I am leaning towards a burl veneer
panel. Look forward to any panel pics.
Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | GN-1 For Sale -- Barnstormers |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
For those of you who occasionally wander through Barnstormers, you may have noticed
a Pietenpol for sale $8,000 in Naples, FL. Turns out it's really a GN-1.
It has a Cont 75 and the tail number is NX554RG. I'm going to take a look at
it in the next couple of days and take some pics. If anyone is interested in
it, contact me off line. No affiliation with either the broker or owner.
dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com
Dave
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| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Very well said Chris. When all the flattening is done go back and reheat it and
allow to cool slowly to prevent any hardening.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368898#368898
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead W&B info |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Glad to hear that Kevin. What I was watching might have just been a weighing then
and not a balancing.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim White <aa5flyer(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 For Sale -- Barnstormers |
Good luck!
On 3/19/2012 12:12 PM, dgaldrich wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "dgaldrich"
>
> For those of you who occasionally wander through Barnstormers, you may have noticed
a Pietenpol for sale $8,000 in Naples, FL. Turns out it's really a GN-1.
It has a Cont 75 and the tail number is NX554RG. I'm going to take a look
at it in the next couple of days and take some pics. If anyone is interested
in it, contact me off line. No affiliation with either the broker or owner.
>
> dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com
>
> Dave
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368893#368893
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | SNF Cleanup Costs |
Jack, It was $29,000 for all 3 Pietenpols combined. The letter stated that
all the avgas spilled on the whole airport was the 130 gallons plus spilled
by the 3 Pietenpols. No one else had spilled gas. GOSH! Looks like we did
not build our gas tanks to plans! what we thought was 14 Gallon tanks turned
out to be 44 gallons! Guess we read the plans wrong, but how did we fit
those large tanks under the cowling ;-)
All in all, Gardiner did not lose any fuel. Frank's Piet remained upright at
all times and was on top and did not lose any fuel. Bruce lost a little.
They filled up at Zepphyr Hills then flew into Sun n Fun. It took 3 gallons
to top him off after recovery and flying to Lakeland. Burning 6 GPH and
flying for 15-20 minutes used up the majority of the 3 gallons missing from
his tank.
Usually 20 to 30 members our EAA Chapter camps together at Sun n Fun for the
week. We decided to skip Sun n Fun for the next few years and put all our
eggs in the Triple Tree basket. It was a lot of fun last year.
Barry
NX973BP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
This was just published on AvWeb:
Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
Owners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun tornado will
not be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a
<http://www.sun-n-fun.org/getdoc/1028ea0c-e494-4af4-b68a-c3dab885a9fc/tcc.as
px> statement, Sun 'n Fun President Lites Leenhouts said the organization
has paid all outstanding invoices and will not be billing individuals for
the costs. Last October Sun 'n Fun asked the 30 aircraft owners affected to
submit their share of about $90,000 in towing and cleanup costs to their own
insurers after Sun 'n Fun's underwriter decided it was not responsible for
those costs. Leenhouts said about 40 percent of the money was recovered that
way and Sun 'n Fun paid the rest. "Sun 'n Fun has paid this remaining
balance in good faith on behalf of those who chose not to submit the bill to
their insurance company or who did not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "At
no time has Sun 'n Fun requested that the aircraft owner[s] pay their
bill[s] directly.
The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected, saying the
decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the companies
representing the owners could make arrangements was a business decision by
Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts said the
immediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the payments
will cut into funding for aviation education programs that are the main
benefactor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the devastation
that occurred as a result of a storm we could not control, to pay for the
entire bill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profit
organization," Leenhouts said. "We are grateful to those individuals who
carried an appropriate amount of insurance as well as those that paid from
their own resources and to those who rallied together on the day of the
storm to assist in restoring the site to a clean and safe environment for
all to enjoy the following day."
The numbers don't quite add up to what the Pietenpol owners reported (they
were saying it was about $30,000 apiece), but at least now they won't have
to hire lawyers to avoid payment.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | SNF Cleanup Costs |
My mistake then, Barry. I thought EACH of the Pietenpols was charged
$29,000. Still, $9K each is a bit much to pay for picking up a $15K
airplane.
I have no plans to ever return to Sun 'n' Fun, but I do plan to go to Triple
Tree this year. A bunch of folks from our chapter went last year and had a
blast.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:06 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
Jack, It was $29,000 for all 3 Pietenpols combined. The letter stated that
all the avgas spilled on the whole airport was the 130 gallons plus spilled
by the 3 Pietenpols. No one else had spilled gas. GOSH! Looks like we did
not build our gas tanks to plans! what we thought was 14 Gallon tanks turned
out to be 44 gallons! Guess we read the plans wrong, but how did we fit
those large tanks under the cowling ;-)
All in all, Gardiner did not lose any fuel. Frank's Piet remained upright at
all times and was on top and did not lose any fuel. Bruce lost a little.
They filled up at Zepphyr Hills then flew into Sun n Fun. It took 3 gallons
to top him off after recovery and flying to Lakeland. Burning 6 GPH and
flying for 15-20 minutes used up the majority of the 3 gallons missing from
his tank.
Usually 20 to 30 members our EAA Chapter camps together at Sun n Fun for the
week. We decided to skip Sun n Fun for the next few years and put all our
eggs in the Triple Tree basket. It was a lot of fun last year.
Barry
NX973BP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
This was just published on AvWeb:
Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
Owners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun tornado will
not be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a
<http://www.sun-n-fun.org/getdoc/1028ea0c-e494-4af4-b68a-c3dab885a9fc/tcc.as
px> statement, Sun 'n Fun President Lites Leenhouts said the organization
has paid all outstanding invoices and will not be billing individuals for
the costs. Last October Sun 'n Fun asked the 30 aircraft owners affected to
submit their share of about $90,000 in towing and cleanup costs to their own
insurers after Sun 'n Fun's underwriter decided it was not responsible for
those costs. Leenhouts said about 40 percent of the money was recovered that
way and Sun 'n Fun paid the rest. "Sun 'n Fun has paid this remaining
balance in good faith on behalf of those who chose not to submit the bill to
their insurance company or who did not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "At
no time has Sun 'n Fun requested that the aircraft owner[s] pay their
bill[s] directly.
The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected, saying the
decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the companies
representing the owners could make arrangements was a business decision by
Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts said the
immediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the payments
will cut into funding for aviation education programs that are the main
benefactor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the devastation
that occurred as a result of a storm we could not control, to pay for the
entire bill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profit
organization," Leenhouts said. "We are grateful to those individuals who
carried an appropriate amount of insurance as well as those that paid from
their own resources and to those who rallied together on the day of the
storm to assist in restoring the site to a clean and safe environment for
all to enjoy the following day."
The numbers don't quite add up to what the Pietenpol owners reported (they
were saying it was about $30,000 apiece), but at least now they won't have
to hire lawyers to avoid payment.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: SNF Cleanup Costs |
Oh no! Camping at SNF won't be the same without you guys back there, we'll
miss you.
Chrissi & Randi
_www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/)
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
In a message dated 3/19/2012 12:08:23 P.M. Central Standard Time,
bed(at)mindspring.com writes:
Jack, It was $29,000 for all 3 Pietenpols combined. The letter stated that
all the avgas spilled on the whole airport was the 130 gallons plus
spilled by the 3 Pietenpols. No one else had spilled gas. GOSH! Looks like
we did
not build our gas tanks to plans! what we thought was 14 Gallon tanks
turned out to be 44 gallons! Guess we read the plans wrong, but how did w
e fit
those large tanks under the cowling ;-)
All in all, Gardiner did not lose any fuel. Frank's Piet remained upright
at all times and was on top and did not lose any fuel. Bruce lost a little
.
They filled up at Zepphyr Hills then flew into Sun n Fun. It took 3
gallons to top him off after recovery and flying to Lakeland. Burning 6 GP
H and
flying for 15-20 minutes used up the majority of the 3 gallons missing fro
m
his tank.
Usually 20 to 30 members our EAA Chapter camps together at Sun n Fun for
the week. We decided to skip Sun n Fun for the next few years and put all
our eggs in the Triple Tree basket. It was a lot of fun last year.
Barry
NX973BP
____________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phill
ips
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
This was just published on AvWeb:
Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup
(http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_S
tormDamage_204383-1.html)
(http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_S
tormDamage_204383-1.html) Owners whose aircraft
were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun tornado will not be stuck with any
of
the cleanup costs after all. In a _statement_
(http://www.sun-n-fun.org/getdoc/1028ea0c-e494-4af4-b68a-c3dab885a9fc/tcc.a
spx) , Sun 'n Fun President
Lites Leenhouts said the organization has paid all outstanding invoices an
d
will not be billing individuals for the costs. Last October Sun 'n Fun
asked the 30 aircraft owners affected to submit their share of about $90,0
00
in towing and cleanup costs to their own insurers after Sun 'n Fun's
underwriter decided it was not responsible for those costs. Leenhouts said
about
40 percent of the money was recovered that way and Sun 'n Fun paid the res
t.
"Sun 'n Fun has paid this remaining balance in good faith on behalf of
those who chose not to submit the bill to their insurance company or who d
id
not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "At no time has Sun 'n Fun requested
that the aircraft owner[s] pay their bill[s] directly.
The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected, saying
the decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the
companies representing the owners could make arrangements was a business d
ecision
by Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts said
the immediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the
payments will cut into funding for aviation education programs that are th
e main
benefactor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the devastati
on
that occurred as a result of a storm we could not control, to pay for the
entire bill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profit
organization," Leenhouts said. "We are grateful to those individuals who c
arried an
appropriate amount of insurance as well as those that paid from their own
resources and to those who rallied together on the day of the storm to ass
ist
in restoring the site to a clean and safe environment for all to enjoy the
following day."
The numbers don=99t quite add up to what the Pietenpol owners report
ed (they
were saying it was about $30,000 apiece), but at least now they won
=99t have
to hire lawyers to avoid payment.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: SNF Cleanup Costs |
IMHO BIKIAR, then the EAA and AOPA need to know that we (pilots) are not as avid
about supporting SNF as we once were. This year if visitation is down they will
need to be told how this (possibly small) group of pilots feels about how
they were treated.
The Bonanza list has published many letters about making sure that Joe Snuffy the
local forklift operator is not allowed to run at your plane with the forklift
tines. As we all know there are better ways to pick up a plane using straps
and wood blocks, not chains and forklift tines.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Monday, March 19, 2012 14:34
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
> My mistake then, Barry. I thought EACH of the Pietenpols was charged
> $29,000. Still, $9K each is a bit much to pay for picking up a $15K
> airplane.
>
>
>
> I have no plans to ever return to Sun 'n' Fun, but I do plan to go
> to Triple
> Tree this year. A bunch of folks from our chapter went last year
> and had a
> blast.
>
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Barry Davis
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:06 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
>
>
>
> Jack, It was $29,000 for all 3 Pietenpols combined. The letter
> stated that
> all the avgas spilled on the whole airport was the 130 gallons plus
> spilledby the 3 Pietenpols. No one else had spilled gas. GOSH!
> Looks like we did
> not build our gas tanks to plans! what we thought was 14 Gallon
> tanks turned
> out to be 44 gallons! Guess we read the plans wrong, but how did
> we fit
> those large tanks under the cowling ;-)
>
> All in all, Gardiner did not lose any fuel. Frank's Piet remained
> upright at
> all times and was on top and did not lose any fuel. Bruce lost a
> little.They filled up at Zepphyr Hills then flew into Sun n Fun. It
> took 3 gallons
> to top him off after recovery and flying to Lakeland. Burning 6 GPH
> andflying for 15-20 minutes used up the majority of the 3 gallons
> missing from
> his tank.
>
> Usually 20 to 30 members our EAA Chapter camps together at Sun n
> Fun for the
> week. We decided to skip Sun n Fun for the next few years and put
> all our
> eggs in the Triple Tree basket. It was a lot of fun last year.
>
> Barry
>
> NX973BP
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Phillips
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:20 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
>
> This was just published on AvWeb:
>
>
>
>
> Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup
>
>
>
> <http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
> ormDamage_204383-1.html>
> <http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
> ormDamage_204383-1.html>
> <http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
> ormDamage_204383-1.html>
> <http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
> ormDamage_204383-1.html>
>
> Owners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun tornado will
> not be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a
> <http://www.sun-n-fun.org/getdoc/1028ea0c-e494-4af4-b68a-c3dab885a9fc/tcc.as
> px> statement, Sun 'n Fun President Lites Leenhouts said the organization
> has paid all outstanding invoices and will not be billing individuals for
> the costs. Last October Sun 'n Fun asked the 30 aircraft owners affected to
> submit their share of about $90,000 in towing and cleanup costs to their own
> insurers after Sun 'n Fun's underwriter decided it was not responsible for
> those costs. Leenhouts said about 40 percent of the money was recovered that
> way and Sun 'n Fun paid the rest. "Sun 'n Fun has paid this remaining
> balance in good faith on behalf of those who chose not to submit the bill to
> their insurance company or who did not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "At
> no time has Sun 'n Fun requested that the aircraft owner[s] pay their
> bill[s] directly.
>
> The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected, saying the
> decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the companies
> representing the owners could make arrangements was a business decision by
> Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts said the
> immediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the payments
> will cut into funding for aviation education programs that are the main
> benefactor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the devastation
> that occurred as a result of a storm we could not control, to pay for the
> entire bill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profit
> organization," Leenhouts said. "We are grateful to those individuals who
> carried an appropriate amount of insurance as well as those that paid from
> their own resources and to those who rallied together on the day of the
> storm to assist in restoring the site to a clean and safe environment for
> all to enjoy the following day."
>
> The numbers don't quite add up to what the Pietenpol owners reported (they
> were saying it was about $30,000 apiece), but at least now they won't have
> to hire lawyers to avoid payment.
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: St. Patty's @ Jim Boyer's |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Nice to see such a healthy and enthusiastic bunch of Piet folks close to me. Too
bad my airplane isn't here (yet)... weather is still wintry up here in So.
Oregon. Yesterday it barely got out of the 30s and we got snow in the afternoon.
I was taking a motorcycle rider safety class so I can get my endorsement
here in Oregon (passed it)- but it was real life training out on the course in
real weather. Like flying the Piet, I'm sort of a fair weather biker and the
old '66 Triumph really doesn't deserve to be out in messy weather at her old
age either.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368912#368912
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | SNF Cleanup Costs |
Chrissi & Randi
We will miss seeing you and camping near you this year. Hugh and Michael are
going and taking a Pop-up. They plan to camp ion the samr spot if possible.
Hugh ALWAYS has something to say, as you know!
Barry
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
Oh no! Camping at SNF won't be the same without you guys back there, we'll
miss you.
Chrissi & Randi
www.CozyGirrrl.com <http://www.cozygirrrl.com/>
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
In a message dated 3/19/2012 12:08:23 P.M. Central Standard Time,
bed(at)mindspring.com writes:
Jack, It was $29,000 for all 3 Pietenpols combined. The letter stated that
all the avgas spilled on the whole airport was the 130 gallons plus spilled
by the 3 Pietenpols. No one else had spilled gas. GOSH! Looks like we did
not build our gas tanks to plans! what we thought was 14 Gallon tanks turned
out to be 44 gallons! Guess we read the plans wrong, but how did we fit
those large tanks under the cowling ;-)
All in all, Gardiner did not lose any fuel. Frank's Piet remained upright at
all times and was on top and did not lose any fuel. Bruce lost a little.
They filled up at Zepphyr Hills then flew into Sun n Fun. It took 3 gallons
to top him off after recovery and flying to Lakeland. Burning 6 GPH and
flying for 15-20 minutes used up the majority of the 3 gallons missing from
his tank.
Usually 20 to 30 members our EAA Chapter camps together at Sun n Fun for the
week. We decided to skip Sun n Fun for the next few years and put all our
eggs in the Triple Tree basket. It was a lot of fun last year.
Barry
NX973BP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
This was just published on AvWeb:
Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
Owners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun tornado will
not be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a
<http://www.sun-n-fun.org/getdoc/1028ea0c-e494-4af4-b68a-c3dab885a9fc/tcc.as
px> statement, Sun 'n Fun President Lites Leenhouts said the organization
has paid all outstanding invoices and will not be billing individuals for
the costs. Last October Sun 'n Fun asked the 30 aircraft owners affected to
submit their share of about $90,000 in towing and cleanup costs to their own
insurers after Sun 'n Fun's underwriter decided it was not responsible for
those costs. Leenhouts said about 40 percent of the money was recovered that
way and Sun 'n Fun paid the rest. "Sun 'n Fun has paid this remaining
balance in good faith on behalf of those who chose not to submit the bill to
their insurance company or who did not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "At
no time has Sun 'n Fun requested that the aircraft owner[s] pay their
bill[s] directly.
The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected, saying the
decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the companies
representing the owners could make arrangements was a business decision by
Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts said the
immediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the payments
will cut into funding for aviation education programs that are the main
benefactor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the devastation
that occurred as a result of a storm we could not control, to pay for the
entire bill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profit
organization," Leenhouts said. "We are grateful to those individuals who
carried an appropriate amount of insurance as well as those that paid from
their own resources and to those who rallied together on the day of the
storm to assist in restoring the site to a clean and safe environment for
all to enjoy the following day."
The numbers don't quite add up to what the Pietenpol owners reported (they
were saying it was about $30,000 apiece), but at least now they won't have
to hire lawyers to avoid payment.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "olflyr45" <wyliejohnson45(at)gmail.com> |
fuselage frame, tail group, tailwheel, data plate and logs included
$1500 OBO. Pictures available.
wyliejohnson45(at)gmail.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368932#368932
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Of electronics and banjos |
Hi Clif,
So... I still find it hard to believe, intuitively speaking, that the
solid piece of metal holding the two "L" pieces flexes enough to
actually make contact with the disc. I'm not saying it doesn't work,
it's just hard for my little brain to wrap itself around that it might.
My question is then - have you tried it and does it work? How much
pulling force can you apply before the disc starts to slip?
Thanks for tolerating my dumb questions,
Dan
On 03/14/2012 10:19 PM, Clif Dawson wrote:
> Dan, Thanks, The pivot, as per the drawing, is the
> two clevis pins at the bottom. The L arm rotates
> around the point of the L which lies above the
> center of the pads. As the top of the L is sucked
> in by the cable the two bolts that go through to
> the rear plate and pad pull that plate outwards.
> Thus the the pads are pulled toward each other
> onto the disc. There's less than 1/16" total
> clearance between the pads and disc ( 1/32"
> each side) .the back plate is 1/4" thick and doesn't
> flex at all. The main plate is 1/8" and flexes a tiny
> bit, hardly visible at all.
>
> I have to appologize as I forgot to reduce the
> rather large size of the drawing. I always scan
> and take pics at high rez then reduce them. This
> makes a huge difference when someone wants
> to enlarge them. They go a lot larger before
> becoming fuzzy than if you start small.
> Anyway, here it is again in more reasonable size.
> The pivot is the clevis on the left.
>
> Clif
> A mile of road will take you a mile, but a mile of runway will take you
> anywhere.
>
>>
>> Clif,
>>
> how do they work?
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Inst. Panel design |
Brian here are a few I've collected, reduced...
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Inst. Panel design
Group,
I have the basic set up for my panel in mind but would like to request
from the group pictures of your panels. I have combed over
WestCoast-Piet and other sites for other ideas also. I thought it might
be an interesting thread to see what people have done with instrument
placement, type of ply, or veneer wood or metal finish. I think I am
leaning towards a burl veneer panel. Look forward to any panel pics.
Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Inst. Panel design |
Group,
I have the basic set up for my panel in mind but would like to request
from the group pictures of your panels. I have combed over
WestCoast-Piet and other sites for other ideas also. I thought it might
be an interesting thread to see what people have done with instrument
placement, type of ply, or veneer wood or metal finish. I think I am
leaning towards a burl veneer panel. Look forward to any panel pics.
Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
Brian,
Here's mine:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Inst. Panel design |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Brian, Here's another.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Mon, Mar 19, 2012 10:40 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Inst. Panel design
Group,
have the basic set up for my panel in mind but would like to request
rom the group pictures of your panels. I have combed over
estCoast-Piet and other sites for other ideas also. I thought it might
e an interesting thread to see what people have done with instrument
lacement, type of ply, or veneer wood or metal finish. I think I am
eaning towards a burl veneer panel. Look forward to any panel pics.
hanks.
Brian
LC-UT
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Inst. Panel design |
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
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Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
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Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Mar 20, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> Group,
> I have the basic set up for my panel in mind but would like to request
> from the group pictures of your panels. I have combed over
> WestCoast-Piet and other sites for other ideas also. I thought it might
> be an interesting thread to see what people have done with instrument
> placement, type of ply, or veneer wood or metal finish. I think I am
> leaning towards a burl veneer panel. Look forward to any panel pics.
> Thanks.
>
> Brian
> SLC-UT
>
> Brian,
>
> Here's mine:
>
>
>
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | antenna for handheld |
Hey all,
I think I'd like to put a little permanent antenna inside the fuse that I
could hook my handheld to.
Don't want to get into another long drawn out project, so. which commonly
available antenna (ACS) would work with a standard handheld?? I think
adapting the handheld antenna to plug into a coax cable is easy, and I
already have ground plane because I have an aluminum inspection panel under
the fuse.
I'm a moron when it comes to electronics so keep it simple please.
Thanks
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Instrument panel pix |
Brian, I used some mahogany ply inlays in birch ply. Not very original but
it did give my instrument grouping some definition.
There's a hatch on the back of the front seat for access to the backs of
the instruments.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Is there a good method used for removing the push rod tubes on an A-65? I w
ant a tube removed, but it seems anything I would try would just mushroom o
ut the end...making it more difficult to remove from the head. I thought ab
out trying to hammer in, or bend in, the top of the tube some to release it
.- I believe there is a bead a little further down which is still retaini
ng it.
Replacing the tube and re-beading the end is a non-event.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: antenna for handheld |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Hi Douwe
Just took a quick look at the ACS listings and it looks like most of them have
about a 20 inch mounting height requirement (a function of the polarization of
the signals) so It my be a bit tight or it might need to stick up into the turtle
deck. The AV 534 is basically a kit form of the antennae you find in DIY
publications and you can cut the threaded rod as needed for clearance. Since
there's no air load, you can just make a small aluminum "stand" for any of them
on your inspection cover so all the cabling is internal.
Dave
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368961#368961
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Couple things to keep in mind....antenna for handheld |
Well, the length of antennas is definitely important. It's actually a function
of the frequency. So you won't want to adjust the length of that threaded rod
(if the threaded rod is the actual antenna) too much.
The length will be: the freq (122-123 MHz) divided by 234. So an antenna (1/4
wave) for 123.5 will be about 22.8 inches long.
This type of antenna (1/4 wave ground plane) is quite tolerant. In fact, the difference
in length for the entire aviation band is just 3 inches.
Something to think about....
JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: dgaldrich <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 20, 2012 10:28 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: antenna for handheld
>
>
>Hi Douwe
>
>Just took a quick look at the ACS listings and it looks like most of them have
about a 20 inch mounting height requirement (a function of the polarization of
the signals) so It my be a bit tight or it might need to stick up into the turtle
deck. The AV 534 is basically a kit form of the antennae you find in DIY
publications and you can cut the threaded rod as needed for clearance. Since
there's no air load, you can just make a small aluminum "stand" for any of them
on your inspection cover so all the cabling is internal.
>
>Dave
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368961#368961
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: antenna for handheld |
You should be aware of a concept called Faraday's Cage. My Cub has a tubular steel
fuselage. My first radio had a little rubber duckie on it, but the signal
was 'caged' (attenuated / weakened) by the fuselage. My transmitting power was
so weak they could barely hear me 3 miles away. Not good when entering somebody's
airport traffic area. I mounted an external antenna (and tuned it to 121.5)
with a few feet of coax running to the BNC connector where the rubber duckie
normally lived. Problem solved.
While a wood and fabric fuselage won't cage as much as steel, it will cage some.
I don't know the numbers, but I'm guessing it's negligible. The higher the frequencies,
the worse the problem, so the relatively lower aviation band is pretty
safe (my satellite tv receiver (in the gHz range) gets screwed up just having
to look through wet leaves sometimes). What you might want to be aware of
if you mount it under the turtle deck is that all that metal stuff up front is
going to attenuate your signal forward. You probably won't care, but just be
aware of it.
I mentioned tuning. Every antenna has a favorite frequency at which it performs
(resonates). That frequency is a function of its length. Lots of folks just buy
an antenna, strap it on, and go flying. When you transmit at a frequency other
than its ideal, an antenna won't work as efficiently, and difference in power
from the transmitter turns to heat. If you can find a friend with an SWR (standing
wave ratio) meter, you can hook it up between your radio and your antenna.
I bought a cheapie for around 30 bucks maybe 20 years ago when the Cub's
radio was giving me fits.
The basic drill is to transmit, note your efficiency on the meter, nip a little
off the end of the antenna with some wire cutters, and try again. As in everything
else in life, there are compromises because you have to operate on more
than one frequency. I figured 121.5 would be the most important frequency in the
band to me, so that's what I tuned mine for. The higher the frequency, the
shorter the antenna. In actuality, I started with a slighty lower frequency, then
started nipping off antenna until it peaked out and started getting worse
again, then stepped up to the 121.5. You can't easily add length to an antenna
without creating other messes, so you've gotta creep up on it.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: dgaldrich <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 20, 2012 10:28 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: antenna for handheld
>
>
>Hi Douwe
>
>Just took a quick look at the ACS listings and it looks like most of them have
about a 20 inch mounting height requirement (a function of the polarization of
the signals) so It my be a bit tight or it might need to stick up into the turtle
deck. The AV 534 is basically a kit form of the antennae you find in DIY
publications and you can cut the threaded rod as needed for clearance. Since
there's no air load, you can just make a small aluminum "stand" for any of them
on your inspection cover so all the cabling is internal.
>
>Dave
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368961#368961
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Couple things to keep in mind....antenna for handheld |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Jim, you are such a radio nerd. [Laughing]
dah dah... di dah... di dah dit... dah di dah
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368968#368968
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: antenna for handheld |
| From: | John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com> |
I believe you can bend the antenna somewhat without any losses correct?
Anyone know? John
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Jim Ash wrote:
>
> You should be aware of a concept called Faraday's Cage. My Cub has a
> tubular steel fuselage. My first radio had a little rubber duckie on it,
> but the signal was 'caged' (attenuated / weakened) by the fuselage. My
> transmitting power was so weak they could barely hear me 3 miles away. Not
> good when entering somebody's airport traffic area. I mounted an external
> antenna (and tuned it to 121.5) with a few feet of coax running to the BNC
> connector where the rubber duckie normally lived. Problem solved.
>
> While a wood and fabric fuselage won't cage as much as steel, it will cage
> some. I don't know the numbers, but I'm guessing it's negligible. The
> higher the frequencies, the worse the problem, so the relatively lower
> aviation band is pretty safe (my satellite tv receiver (in the gHz range)
> gets screwed up just having to look through wet leaves sometimes). What you
> might want to be aware of if you mount it under the turtle deck is that all
> that metal stuff up front is going to attenuate your signal forward. You
> probably won't care, but just be aware of it.
>
> I mentioned tuning. Every antenna has a favorite frequency at which it
> performs (resonates). That frequency is a function of its length. Lots of
> folks just buy an antenna, strap it on, and go flying. When you transmit at
> a frequency other than its ideal, an antenna won't work as efficiently, and
> difference in power from the transmitter turns to heat. If you can find a
> friend with an SWR (standing wave ratio) meter, you can hook it up between
> your radio and your antenna. I bought a cheapie for around 30 bucks maybe
> 20 years ago when the Cub's radio was giving me fits.
>
> The basic drill is to transmit, note your efficiency on the meter, nip a
> little off the end of the antenna with some wire cutters, and try again. As
> in everything else in life, there are compromises because you have to
> operate on more than one frequency. I figured 121.5 would be the most
> important frequency in the band to me, so that's what I tuned mine for. The
> higher the frequency, the shorter the antenna. In actuality, I started with
> a slighty lower frequency, then started nipping off antenna until it peaked
> out and started getting worse again, then stepped up to the 121.5. You
> can't easily add length to an antenna without creating other messes, so
> you've gotta creep up on it.
>
> Jim Ash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: dgaldrich <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
> >Sent: Mar 20, 2012 10:28 AM
> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: antenna for handheld
> >
> dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
> >
> >Hi Douwe
> >
> >Just took a quick look at the ACS listings and it looks like most of them
> have about a 20 inch mounting height requirement (a function of the
> polarization of the signals) so It my be a bit tight or it might need to
> stick up into the turtle deck. The AV 534 is basically a kit form of the
> antennae you find in DIY publications and you can cut the threaded rod as
> needed for clearance. Since there's no air load, you can just make a small
> aluminum "stand" for any of them on your inspection cover so all the
> cabling is internal.
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368961#368961
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | antenna for handheld |
Douwe
Some ideas from the Flybaby website.
http://www.bowersflybaby.com/stories/antenna.htm#follow
maybe some more information in here too
http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/velcro.html
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: antenna for handheld
Hey all,
I think I'd like to put a little permanent antenna inside the fuse that I
could hook my handheld to.
Don't want to get into another long drawn out project, so. which commonly
available antenna (ACS) would work with a standard handheld?? I think
adapting the handheld antenna to plug into a coax cable is easy, and I
already have ground plane because I have an aluminum inspection panel under
the fuse.
I'm a moron when it comes to electronics so keep it simple please.
Thanks
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: antenna for handheld |
Yeah. Some, as long as it doesn't change the metallurgy. If you work harden it
(picture a coat hanger right before it breaks), the electrons zooming across things
will change speed at differences in material, creating an impedance block
and changing the resonance of the system.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: John Kuhfahl
Sent: Mar 20, 2012 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: antenna for handheld
I believe you can bend the antenna somewhat without any losses correct? Anyone
know? John
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Jim Ash wrote:
You should be aware of a concept called Faraday's Cage. My Cub has a tubular steel
fuselage. My first radio had a little rubber duckie on it, but the signal
was 'caged' (attenuated / weakened) by the fuselage. My transmitting power was
so weak they could barely hear me 3 miles away. Not good when entering somebody's
airport traffic area. I mounted an external antenna (and tuned it to 121.5)
with a few feet of coax running to the BNC connector where the rubber duckie
normally lived. Problem solved.
While a wood and fabric fuselage won't cage as much as steel, it will cage some.
I don't know the numbers, but I'm guessing it's negligible. The higher the frequencies,
the worse the problem, so the relatively lower aviation band is pretty
safe (my satellite tv receiver (in the gHz range) gets screwed up just having
to look through wet leaves sometimes). What you might want to be aware of
if you mount it under the turtle deck is that all that metal stuff up front is
going to attenuate your signal forward. You probably won't care, but just be
aware of it.
I mentioned tuning. Every antenna has a favorite frequency at which it performs
(resonates). That frequency is a function of its length. Lots of folks just buy
an antenna, strap it on, and go flying. When you transmit at a frequency other
than its ideal, an antenna won't work as efficiently, and difference in power
from the transmitter turns to heat. If you can find a friend with an SWR (standing
wave ratio) meter, you can hook it up between your radio and your antenna.
I bought a cheapie for around 30 bucks maybe 20 years ago when the Cub's
radio was giving me fits.
The basic drill is to transmit, note your efficiency on the meter, nip a little
off the end of the antenna with some wire cutters, and try again. As in everything
else in life, there are compromises because you have to operate on more
than one frequency. I figured 121.5 would be the most important frequency in the
band to me, so that's what I tuned mine for. The higher the frequency, the
shorter the antenna. In actuality, I started with a slighty lower frequency, then
started nipping off antenna until it peaked out and started getting worse
again, then stepped up to the 121.5. You can't easily add length to an antenna
without creating other messes, so you've gotta creep up on it.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: dgaldrich <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 20, 2012 10:28 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: antenna for handheld
>
>
>Hi Douwe
>
>Just took a quick look at the ACS listings and it looks like most of them have
about a 20 inch mounting height requirement (a function of the polarization of
the signals) so It my be a bit tight or it might need to stick up into the turtle
deck. The AV 534 is basically a kit form of the antennae you find in DIY
publications and you can cut the threaded rod as needed for clearance. Since
there's no air load, you can just make a small aluminum "stand" for any of them
on your inspection cover so all the cabling is internal.
>
>Dave
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368961#368961
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: antenna for handheld |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
An SWR meter is a handy tool indeed, but if one of your friends has an antenna
analyzer, it certainly makes life a lot easier.
With an SWR meter you will need to connect it between your transceiver and your
antenna (i.e. two lengths of feed line), also, you'll have to transmit using
your radio in order to make the meter give an indication, which isn't the best
thing to do as it can be hard on your radio if you have a bad match or worse,
a short. Not only that, but most of the SWR meters that are laying around are
designed to operate in the 3-30MHz range... CB type stuff. Just something to
be aware of as the wrong peice of equipment will just cause you fits.
If you have access to an antenna analyzer, use it. They are much more effective
in troubleshooting feed lines and antennas that an SWR meter. Chances are good
that a local ham radio club has one as they aren't very expensive. This piece
of equipment will allow you to test your feed line and antenna separately
AND as a complete system, which can really help in troubleshooting and tuning.
You will not need extra lengths of feed line as this piece of equipment connects
in place of your transceiver. Not only that, but you can easily sweep the
band (108-137MHz) in order to determine the bandwidth of your antenna... believe
it or not, an antenna that works reasonably well on one frequency may be
a very poor resonator just a few kilohertz away. If you are using a NAV/COM
type radio, bandwidth is more important as you would like to utilize the lower
frequencies (108-117.975MHz) as well as the voice segment (118-137MHz). Ideally
you would shoot for tuning your antenna in the middle of the band (117.5MHz)
and hope to have a reasonable SWR at the edge of the band (108MHZ and 137MHz).
One thing that may help is using a larger diameter rod for you antenna...
theoretically speaking, a larger driven element has a broader bandwidth that
a smaller diameter (i.e. a 1/8" rod would make a better resonater than a 1/16"
rod).
Anyhow, hope some of this helps.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368981#368981
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Inst. Panel design |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
I chose to create burnished stainless for the panel with wood veneer as the inlay
- to be different and also so that there might be less glare/reflection on
a sunny day from the center area of the panel...
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Attachments:
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: antenna for handheld |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Hey, good idea John! I'd be glad to bring it along if anyone would like to use
it. It really just takes a second to plug in and run a simple analysis.
Maybe we can have a workshop... how to vacuum bag your antenna!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368994#368994
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: antenna for handheld |
I've used those aerials on two Aircraft and they were or are a great success.
You still need some form of ground plane. On a 3 Axis Microlight I used to own
I just made a small bracket and bolted that to the main aluminium tube.
Great value and work well.
Regards
Gerry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Why do you want to remove them? They generally get loose and can be pulled
out from the bottom (don't try to drive them out - that will just mushroom
the head, making it more difficult to remove), but I can't imagine why you
would want to remove one.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
(Where a big thunderstorm is sitting on top of us, preventing me from flying
my Pietenpol)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push Rod Tubes
Is there a good method used for removing the push rod tubes on an A-65? I
want a tube removed, but it seems anything I would try would just mushroom
out the end...making it more difficult to remove from the head. I thought
about trying to hammer in, or bend in, the top of the tube some to release
it. I believe there is a bead a little further down which is still
retaining it.
Replacing the tube and re-beading the end is a non-event.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
I'm not up on the A-65, but if it's like the Corvair in this respect, people either
buy or hand-make a tool to get behind the head and tap them out. Picture
a piece of scrap tubing that fits closely around the narrow part of the tube,
but butts up against the flared part of the valve tube that's in the head. Fit
a piece of scrap to that piece that angles undeneath the block, at as shallow
an angle as you can muster, and braze it on. Tap gently on the end of the bazed-on
piece in the direction of exit with a light hammer.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips
Sent: Mar 20, 2012 5:34 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Push Rod Tubes
Why do you want to remove them? They generally get loose and can be pulled out
from the bottom (dont try to drive them out that will just mushroom the head,
making it more difficult to remove), but I cant imagine why you would want to
remove one.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
(Where a big thunderstorm is sitting on top of us, preventing me from flying my
Pietenpol)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push Rod Tubes
Is there a good method used for removing the push rod tubes on an A-65? I want
a tube removed, but it seems anything I would try would just mushroom out the
end...making it more difficult to remove from the head. I thought about trying
to hammer in, or bend in, the top of the tube some to release it. I believe
there is a bead a little further down which is still retaining it.
Replacing the tube and re-beading the end is a non-event.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List style=" font-size:10.0pt;color:black;="================| Date: | Mar 20, 2012 |
| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
http://www.dalemfg.com/dale_023.htm
look at tool #T-4 ; same idea.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
>Sent: Mar 20, 2012 6:20 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Push Rod Tubes
>
>
>I'm not up on the A-65, but if it's like the Corvair in this respect, people either
buy or hand-make a tool to get behind the head and tap them out. Picture
a piece of scrap tubing that fits closely around the narrow part of the tube,
but butts up against the flared part of the valve tube that's in the head. Fit
a piece of scrap to that piece that angles undeneath the block, at as shallow
an angle as you can muster, and braze it on. Tap gently on the end of the bazed-on
piece in the direction of exit with a light hammer.
>
>Jim Ash
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips
>Sent: Mar 20, 2012 5:34 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Push Rod Tubes
>
>
>Why do you want to remove them? They generally get loose and can be pulled out
from the bottom (dont try to drive them out that will just mushroom the head,
making it more difficult to remove), but I cant imagine why you would want
to remove one.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>(Where a big thunderstorm is sitting on top of us, preventing me from flying my
Pietenpol)
>
>
>
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
>Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:25 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push Rod Tubes
>
>
>
>Is there a good method used for removing the push rod tubes on an A-65? I want
a tube removed, but it seems anything I would try would just mushroom out the
end...making it more difficult to remove from the head. I thought about trying
to hammer in, or bend in, the top of the tube some to release it. I believe
there is a bead a little further down which is still retaining it.
>
>Replacing the tube and re-beading the end is a non-event.
>
>Michael Perez
>Karetaker Aero
>www.karetakeraero.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List style=" font-size:10.0pt;color:black;="================
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear V question |
Yes and Yes. I rebuilt a Piper PA22 and made it into a PA20 (taildragger).
The landing gear was done that way -- a member joining the two legs at the
top of the V and then it was covered with fabric, just like one of the tail
members. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Franklin" <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear V question
>
> If you want to fill in the landing gear V's (like a Cub) how do you do it?
> Is it just fabric and do you have to have a tube at the top of the V?
>
> John Franklin
> GN-1 / Corvair
> Prairie Aire 4TA0
> Needville, TX
>
> ________________________________________
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I can't quite picture what you mean Jim, but I appreciate your help. Any chance
you can send me a sketch?
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Tue, 3/20/12, Jim Ash wrote:
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Push Rod Tubes
Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2012, 6:20 PM
I'm not up on the A-65, but if it's like the Corvair in this respect, people either
buy or hand-make a tool to get behind the head and tap them out. Picture
a piece of scrap tubing that fits closely around the narrow part of the tube,
but butts up against the flared part of the valve tube that's in the head. Fit
a piece of scrap to that piece that angles undeneath the block, at as shallow
an angle as you can muster, and braze it on. Tap gently on the end of the bazed-on
piece in the direction of exit with a light hammer.
Jim Ash
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Thanks again Jim...I got the link with the picture.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Tue, 3/20/12, Jim Ash wrote:
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Push Rod Tubes
Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2012, 6:25 PM
http://www.dalemfg.com/dale_023.htm
look at tool #T-4 ; same idea.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
>Sent: Mar 20, 2012 6:20 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Push Rod Tubes
>
>
>I'm not up on the A-65, but if it's like the Corvair in this respect, peop
le either buy or hand-make a tool to get behind the head and tap them out.
Picture a piece of scrap tubing that fits closely around the narrow part of
the tube, but butts up against the flared part of the valve tube that's in
the head. Fit a piece of scrap to that piece that angles undeneath the blo
ck, at as shallow an angle as you can muster, and braze it on. Tap gently o
n the end of the bazed-on piece in the direction of exit with a light hamme
r.
>
>Jim Ash
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips
>Sent: Mar 20, 2012 5:34 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Push Rod Tubes
>
>
>Why do you want to remove them?=C2- They generally get loose and can be
pulled out from the bottom (don=99t try to drive them out =93 t
hat will just mushroom the head, making it more difficult to remove), but I
can=99t imagine why you would want to remove one.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>(Where a big thunderstorm is sitting on top of us, preventing me from flyi
ng my Pietenpol)
>
>
>
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
>Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:25 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push Rod Tubes
>
>
>
>Is there a good method used for removing the push rod tubes on an A-65? I
want a tube removed, but it seems anything I would try would just mushroom
out the end...making it more difficult to remove from the head. I thought a
bout trying to hammer in, or bend in, the top of the tube some to release i
t.=C2- I believe there is a bead a little further down which is still ret
aining it.
>
>Replacing the tube and re-beading the end is a non-event.
>
>Michael Perez
>Karetaker Aero
>www.karetakeraero.com=C2- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List style=" font
-size:10.0pt;color:black;="===============
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
One subtley which might not be obvious; the tube part of the tool has a chunk taken
out of it. That's so the exhaust tube on the Corvair won't interfere with
the removal operation. Again, I don't know if the concept applies to an A-65.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: Mar 20, 2012 6:32 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Push Rod Tubes
Thanks again Jim...I got the link with the picture.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Tue, 3/20/12, Jim Ash wrote:
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Push Rod Tubes
Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2012, 6:25 PM
http://www.dalemfg.com/dale_023.htm
look at tool #T-4 ; same idea.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
>Sent: Mar 20, 2012 6:20 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Push Rod Tubes
>
>
>I'm not up on the A-65, but if it's like the Corvair in this respect, people either
buy or hand-make a tool to get behind the head and tap them out. Picture
a piece of scrap tubing that fits closely around the narrow part of the tube,
but butts up against the flared part of the valve tube that's in the head. Fit
a piece of scrap to that piece that angles undeneath the block, at as shallow
an angle as you can muster, and braze it on. Tap gently on the end of the bazed-on
piece in the direction of exit with a light hammer.
>
>Jim Ash
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips
>Sent: Mar 20, 2012 5:34 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Push Rod Tubes
>
>
>Why do you want to remove them? They generally get loose and can be pulled out
from the bottom (dont try to drive them out that will just mushroom the head,
making it more difficult to remove), but I cant imagine why you would want
to remove one.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>(Where a big thunderstorm is sitting on top of us, preventing me from flying my
Pietenpol)
>
>
>
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
>Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:25 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Push Rod Tubes
>
>
>
>Is there a good method used for removing the push rod tubes on an A-65? I want
a tube removed, but it seems anything I would try would just mushroom out the
end...making it more difficult to remove from the head. I thought about trying
to hammer in, or bend in, the top of the tube some to release it. I believe
there is a bead a little further down which is still retaining it.
>
>Replacing the tube and re-beading the end is a non-event.
>
>Michael Perez
>Karetaker Aero
>www.karetakeraero.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List style=" font-size:10.0pt;color:black;="================
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Inst. Panel design |
Here's mine. The CB's on the right will be mounted
there, someday, soon. In the upper left the two
switches on top of the cowl are the mag switches.
Second one shows my Terra radio installation.
----- Original Message -----
From: bradandlinda tds.net
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Inst. Panel design
Brian, Google up NX29NX, and one of the sites it has a picture of the
beautiful panel Rob Bach made on my Piet.
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 10:39 AM, <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote:
Group,
I have the basic set up for my panel in mind but would like to
request
from the group pictures of your panels. I have combed over
WestCoast-Piet and other sites for other ideas also. I thought it
might
be an interesting thread to see what people have done with
instrument
placement, type of ply, or veneer wood or metal finish. I think I am
leaning towards a burl veneer panel. Look forward to any panel pics.
Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: St. Patty's @ Jim Boyer's |
Nice to see such a healthy and enthusiastic bunch of Piet folks close to me.
Hi Oscar;
When you do get your PIet on its way to Oregon you hopefully will be able to stop
somewhere close here in N. California. It would be a good time to have another
Piet get together.
Looking forward to meeting you.
Jim B.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | radios, antennas and the pronounciation of my name. |
First off, THANKS!! To all you guys, this was very helpful. Looks like for
a few ounces I get increase the range of my handheld a LOT. Think I'll just
get one of those ACS "kits", figure out how to attach it to the radio and
mount it either behind the seat using the inspection panel as a ground plane
or mount it vertically inside the vertical stabilizer (rudder fin) which I
saw in an old BPA back issue. Though I hate adding even ounces back there,
it would be the best spot by far in terms of interference.
Secondly, my first name is pronounced "Dow", it's a Dutch name, though
growing up, I heard every pronunciation imaginable!!
Got all the old sheet metal back on her yesterday and am fed up with all the
deteriorating holes in the wooden trim piece on the longerons so I'm
installing some screw inserts so I can use machine screws. Just don't go
into the longeron. Decided to add sheet metal behind each cockpit so I can
have the World War 1 look to the coaming I've always loved.
Hopefully can start covering the fuse and tail parts within a few weeks.
Douwe
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Thanks Jim. I was able to remove a tube from my "spare" engine no problems.
The tube was loose to start with and it was just a matter of pulling outwa
rd a little, rotate it, pull outward again, rotate, etc.- This basically
compressed the tube end enough that is dropped right out.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Inst. Panel design |
Clif, I really like your panel.- It has a simple layout and has a very vi
ntage look.- It appears that the panel itself is a little flatter on top
and that makes it wider some along the sides...- a nice look, I believe.
You also got my mind thinking when I saw the wood supports for the windscre
en...good stuff!
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | my favorite panel--Larry Williams before he went non-purist:) |
Good friend (and fellow curmudgeon to be admired greatly!) Larry Williams h
as my
vote for favorite panel but then in going against his mostly purist likings
towards
Pietenpols he showed up with a glass (yes) cockpit one time.
Fortunately Larry has a great sense of humor (unless you irritate him:) and
he made up
this really cool fake panel of carbon fiber and other goodies for static di
splay to
'disconcert the masses' I believe!
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear V question |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Oscar,
I'd have to agree with you. When I switch from my large covered wheels to skis
there is a noticeable difference. When I have the skis I notice the rudder is
more effective and at the same time the plane will fly skewed a little easier.
That tells me the covered wheels (which are probably comparable to covered v's)
are acting like somewhat of a "keel".
Don Emch
NX899DE
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369053#369053
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| Subject: | Re: Inst. Panel design |
| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
Here are a couple pics of my panels. The rear was shown above. I put some duplicate
instruments in the front pit so that I can still see them when my readers
choose to bail/freefall. Setting in the rear pit, I can not read any of the instruments
without my readers on.
--------
PAPA MIKE
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369057#369057
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | N. Cal. Piet get-together |
Jim wrote-
>When you do get your Piet on its way to Oregon you hopefully
>will be able to stop somewhere close here in N. California.
>It would be a good time to have another Piet get together.
You betcha. I should be coming right up the central valley,
Bakersfield-Hanford-Modesto-Yuba City-Red Bluff, and so on,
but I can adjust the route any other way that puts me into
a grass field, friends, a hangar for the night, or some
other interesting attraction. Oh, and I'll probably be
NORDO much of the time so I'll be avoiding controlled airspace
as much as possible.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Inst. Panel design |
| From: | John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com> |
Here is my go at it...John
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:57 AM, 899PM wrote:
>
> Here are a couple pics of my panels. The rear was shown above. I put some
> duplicate instruments in the front pit so that I can still see them when my
> readers choose to bail/freefall. Setting in the rear pit, I can not read
> any of the instruments without my readers on.
>
> --------
> PAPA MIKE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369057#369057
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2007_100.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2005_554.jpg
>
>
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Inst. Panel design |
Thanks for all the replies and pictures of the panels. There is a lot of nice
craftsmanship and unique ideas going into Piets.
Brian
SLC-UT
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369064#369064
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Push Rod Tube Alternative |
Crew, while discussing push rod tubes, beading tools, removal, installation
, etc. with Mike C., I found an alternative to fix leaks.- It is a push r
od tube conversion kit. Mike found the link- which shows the components o
f the conversion kit. ACS sells said kit, but we feel others most likely do
as well.
Just some FYI...
=0A=0Ahttp://www.realgaskets.com/files/colorpush.htm=0A=0A
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: my favorite panel--Larry Williams before he went non-purist: |
| From: | "RickBright" <brightwellrichard(at)yahoo.com> |
This picture really threw for for a couple of days.
The very thing that attracted me to a Piet was the simplicity, the Model A Engine,
and the vintage look. Larry was gracious enough to talk with me on the phone
and I told him of my desire to keep it simple and to the plans......... I
thought I had found a "soul brother" thinking the same as I and then found this
very picture on the web somewhere, I spent a couple of days kind of wondering
"what the heck???" , then figured out it was fake. Funny :D
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: my favorite panel--Larry Williams before he went non-purist: |
| From: | "Mild Bill" <whfrank(at)charter.net> |
All that panel needs is some wood veneer over the carbon, then she'll be right,
mates. [Wink]
--------
Bill Frank
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369076#369076
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| Subject: | Re: radios, antennas and the pronounciation of my name. |
| From: | "Mild Bill" <whfrank(at)charter.net> |
Not to worry, Douwe - I knew the pronunciation from the Douwe Egberts line of pipes
and pipe tobaccos.
I was the only caucasian in my office who could correctly pronounce the name of
one of my coworkers: Ramakrishnan Lakshminarayanan.
--------
Bill Frank
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Inst. Panel design |
Very, very, very good!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of 899PM
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 10:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Inst. Panel design
-->
Here are a couple pics of my panels. The rear was shown above. I put some
duplicate instruments in the front pit so that I can still see them when my
readers choose to bail/freefall. Setting in the rear pit, I can not read any
of the instruments without my readers on.
--------
PAPA MIKE
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| From: | Dan Gaston <design(at)aerocorpinc.com> |
| Subject: | GN-1 PROJECT FOR SALE |
I still have a GN-1 project for sale. Complete rib set built, tail
feathers built, fuselage sides built. All wood necessary to complete,
including spars, sheeting,everything. All wood came from Aircraft
Spruce. Laser cut 4130 fittings. Continental A-65-8 with carb,
mags,hub,and logs, on engine stand. For details, just e-mail me. I'm
tired of looking at something that I'm not going to finish. $3,000.00
for all of it, no less. I am located in Norwalk, ohio. Thank you, Dan
Gaston.
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Inst. Panel design |
Thanks Micheal. Eventually those supports will be
some nice hardwood.
I wanted the cowl to tangent the sides. Doing that
with a circle would get a little tall. :-)
Oblate spheroid cut through the middle. Say what??
Definition: squished circle. :-)
Clif
Clif, I really like your panel. It has a simple layout and has
a very vintage look. It appears that the panel itself is a little
flatter on top and that makes it wider some along the sides... a nice
look, I believe.
You also got my mind thinking when I saw the wood supports for
the windscreen...good stuff!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: John Kuhfahl's Inst. Panel design |
| From: | John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com> |
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | question for the radio geeks |
Okay, so if I guy an simple antenna and hook it up to the handheld, does the
ground plane have to be directly under the antenna?
For example, could the antenna be back in the fin and the ground plane just
behind the pilots seat?
And, what goes from the antenna to the ground plane, a ground wire?
Stupid questions I know, but appreciate the help.
Douwe
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Inst. Panel design |
Cliff, I know exactly what you are saying!- I did the same exercise with
my cutout for the center section. It has that "squished circle" look as wel
l.
I assume the wind screens are screwed to the wood supports?
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
-
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
Okay, so if I guy an simple antenna and hook it up to the
handheld, does the ground plane have to be directly under the antenna?
For example, could the antenna be back in the fin and the
ground plane just behind the pilots seat?
And, what goes from the antenna to the ground plane, a
ground wire?
Stupid questions I know, but appreciate the help.
Douwe
Douwe, there is a link at Spruce Aircraft for an antenna they sell, and they also
have a pdf file for installation at that link:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/av534.php
Regards,
John Franklin
Prairie Aire 4TA0
Needville, TX
GN-1 / Corvair 164CID
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: my favorite panel--Larry Williams before he went |
non-purist:
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
I don't think that's stupid question! :-)
The antenna and it's ground plane interact and need to be as close as possible....and
adding an element (of length, velocity factor, feed line dialectric, oh
never mind) between the two would complicate things.
leave a minimum of distance between the two, none if possible.
Jim Markle
Pryor, Oklahoma
-----Original Message-----
>From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
>Sent: Mar 22, 2012 9:05 AM
>To: Piet_List
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: question for the radio geeks
>
>
>Okay, so if I guy an simple antenna and hook it up to the
>handheld, does the ground plane have to be directly under the antenna?
>For example, could the antenna be back in the fin and the
>ground plane just behind the pilots seat?
>And, what goes from the antenna to the ground plane, a
>ground wire?
>Stupid questions I know, but appreciate the help.
>
>Douwe
>
>Douwe, there is a link at Spruce Aircraft for an antenna they sell, and they also
have a pdf file for installation at that link:
>
>http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/av534.php
>
>Regards,
>John Franklin
>Prairie Aire 4TA0
>Needville, TX
>GN-1 / Corvair 164CID
>
>
>________________________________________
>
>
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| From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
I'm thinking of putting one of the Archer Model 6 (see ACS here
_http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/archer_antennas_6.php_
(http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/archer_antennas_6.php) ) in the rear
fuselage of the Piet with a cable and BNC connector out to hook to a handheld.
I
figure this ought to have better transmit/receive properties than the rubber
duckie on the handheld. Anybody got any experience with these?
On another topic, after issues with the bungee style shocks before last
year's Brodhead, I built a set of die spring shocks over the winter. Got them
installed yesterday, taxi tested them and hopped around the pattern and did
a wheel landing with them. They're a little stiffer than the bungee shocks
but I Iike the fact that because the springs are in compression, the
travel is limited by more than just a 1/8" safety cable. Still should be plenty
of travel to damp out most of my landings...hehehe. They're off now and
back home for painting.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Here's the deal on these antennas.
What we're using is a vertical antenna. They need a "ground plane" to form proper
radiation patterns. Without them, the energy from the radio doesn't all go
out the antenna, it bounces around in the antenna and feedline until it's all
used up as heat or gets radiated all out of sync. Not a big deal, but lessens
the effectiveness of the antenna.
The ground plane doesn't have to be a aluminum disc. It can be a pattern of wires
all spread out like wagon wheel spokes. The point is, you can use really
fine wire and save weight if that's an issue where you are putting it. The same
with the antenna itself. At the power levels we're using, you don't need that
heavy stainless wire they use. The important property of it is the length,
it's only that heavy to withstand wind forces when placed outside the airplane.
The ground plane does need to be at the feedpoint of the antenna, and perpendicular
to it. It's an unbalanced antenna, and we use unbalanced feedline to feed
it, coax. The shielding conductor goes to the ground plane.
The wavelength of the freqs we use is around 6 feet I suppose and that's important
because it relates to the optimum length of the antenna. It needs to be about
1/2 wavelength for proper impedence. If it's not, then you need to "trick"
the system into thinking it's that long, which you can do with coils, capacitors,
coiling up the radiating element, etc. These all make the system work
correctly, but again, lessen the effectiveness of the antenna. That's how the
stubby antennas work, they're all coiled up.
The point it, you can make a REALLY effective antenna by using a longer radiating
element, and lighter because you can use a simple piece of wire, etc. Even
better, I seem to recall that if the radiating element of a vertical antenna
is 5/8 wavelength, it actually INCREASES your effective radiating power, it's
called a gain antenna.
I'll dig into my old ham radio books and see if I can't devise a more simple and
more better antenna that we could build into our piets and do better. We're
lucky because our planes are wood. Also, it should be a lot cheaper.
The best antenna I ever had for my 2 meter (144 mhz, same genre as our 120 to 130
mhz stuff) handheld radio was home made from a piece of that old brown flat
line antenna wire we used to run to our tv antennas taped to a piece of broom
handle I would just lay on the dashboard of my old van. It was called a "j pole"
antenna. Cost nothing, worked really well on the metal dash of a big old
work van. We could zip tie it along a fuse stringer and be done. Wouldn't weigh
or cost a thing, no ground plane, takes about 20 mins to make. I'll just
have to adjust some dimensions for the slightly different frequency. You feed
it with cheap old 75 ohm coax that is hanging around behind your tv set. The
antenna was about 4 feet long or so.
de n0kkj
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369138#369138
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| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
| From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
Looks like a great seminar and Brodhead work shop session and everybody leaves
with a useable antenna tuned and ready to install. Should we all plan on bringing
our hand held radios?
John
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:41 AM, "tools" wrote:
>
> Here's the deal on these antennas.
>
> What we're using is a vertical antenna. They need a "ground plane" to form proper
radiation patterns. Without them, the energy from the radio doesn't all
go out the antenna, it bounces around in the antenna and feedline until it's
all used up as heat or gets radiated all out of sync. Not a big deal, but lessens
the effectiveness of the antenna.
>
> The ground plane doesn't have to be a aluminum disc. It can be a pattern of
wires all spread out like wagon wheel spokes. The point is, you can use really
fine wire and save weight if that's an issue where you are putting it. The
same with the antenna itself. At the power levels we're using, you don't need
that heavy stainless wire they use. The important property of it is the length,
it's only that heavy to withstand wind forces when placed outside the airplane.
>
> The ground plane does need to be at the feedpoint of the antenna, and perpendicular
to it. It's an unbalanced antenna, and we use unbalanced feedline to feed
it, coax. The shielding conductor goes to the ground plane.
>
> The wavelength of the freqs we use is around 6 feet I suppose and that's important
because it relates to the optimum length of the antenna. It needs to be
about 1/2 wavelength for proper impedence. If it's not, then you need to "trick"
the system into thinking it's that long, which you can do with coils, capacitors,
coiling up the radiating element, etc. These all make the system work
correctly, but again, lessen the effectiveness of the antenna. That's how the
stubby antennas work, they're all coiled up.
>
> The point it, you can make a REALLY effective antenna by using a longer radiating
element, and lighter because you can use a simple piece of wire, etc. Even
better, I seem to recall that if the radiating element of a vertical antenna
is 5/8 wavelength, it actually INCREASES your effective radiating power, it's
called a gain antenna.
>
> I'll dig into my old ham radio books and see if I can't devise a more simple
and more better antenna that we could build into our piets and do better. We're
lucky because our planes are wood. Also, it should be a lot cheaper.
>
> The best antenna I ever had for my 2 meter (144 mhz, same genre as our 120 to
130 mhz stuff) handheld radio was home made from a piece of that old brown flat
line antenna wire we used to run to our tv antennas taped to a piece of broom
handle I would just lay on the dashboard of my old van. It was called a "j
pole" antenna. Cost nothing, worked really well on the metal dash of a big old
work van. We could zip tie it along a fuse stringer and be done. Wouldn't
weigh or cost a thing, no ground plane, takes about 20 mins to make. I'll just
have to adjust some dimensions for the slightly different frequency. You feed
it with cheap old 75 ohm coax that is hanging around behind your tv set.
The antenna was about 4 feet long or so.
>
> de n0kkj
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369138#369138
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Ya, great idea. Everyone start checking your attic for that flat lead antenna
wire! I've got some laying around and I'll bring all I've got.
It's 300ohm antenna feed line. There's a bigger (read wider spaced) stuff that's
450 that will also work. You can also use solid copper wire as long as it's
supported in a way that keeps all the parts of the antenna in the right place
relative to each other.
I should have swr measuring equipment so we can tune them all to everyone's radio
and plane.
As it turns out, the hard part with antennas is getting them UP in the air... well...
a problem for earthbound mortals!
I used to play this stuff the most before the internet. Just did a quick google
on 2 meter jpole antennas and got a zillion hits. Guess I don't have to dig
out the old books.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I concur with Jim... the ground plane is an active element in the antenna installation.
Think of it as a "reflector" for the transmitted signals... it should
be mounted at the base of the driven element (antenna).
For radio people, the term "antenna" includes all of the hardware at the end of
the feed line as they work in unison to effectively transmit the RF energy in
the desired pattern. For a ground mounted antenna system, an efficient ground
plane "reflects" radio signals upwards, away from the ground, which improves
gain by "reflecting" or "directing" RF energy into the air where it is most effective.
For an airplane installation, most of your communications are air-to-ground,
which I assume is why the Fly Baby installation is inverted. I haven't
read the article (looked at the pics), but I would think that the builders
intent was to reflect the RF outward and downward rather than upward into the
stratosphere where no one is listening to him. This would theoretically improve
gain, or in other words... range.
Since this ground plane or "element" is not physically connected to the earth ground,
it is more correct to refer to it as a counterpoise, which is in effect
an electrical ground, or simulated ground plane.
Below is a cross-sectional view of a typical omni-directional radiation pattern,
the type of pattern you might expect with a vertical, whip, rubber ducky or
any other type of single element vertically oriented antenna. Notice that the
pattern is transmitted upwards away from the ground... the squiggly lines represent
a ground plane. So, imagine if you were to take that image and turn it
sideways or upside down... yes, the radiation pattern would remain the same,
but you would direct it differently.
Antenna theory and constructing arrays can become a fairly complicated discussion,
but the basic formulas and theory behind simple omni-directional antennas
is fairly straightforward. Back to the ground plane (or counterpoise)... given
that it is an active "element" of the system, the ground plane should ideally
be built to match the appropriate wavelength... i.e. for 1/4 wavelength antennas,
length in feet = 234/frequency(MHz), or 234/122.5MHz=1.9' diameter ground
plane. This is difficult to accomplish in the confines of a wooden airplane,
so generally we do the best we can. The other day I stated that the middle
of the aviation band was 117.5MHz, or some such nonsense... this is obviously
incorrect for a band that doesn't start until 118MHz. Not sure what I was thinking...
the middle of the band is 122.5MHz. I have edited that post.
Just for fun... this photo shows the installation of an HF vertical antenna. It
is similar to what we are talking about here, except HF antennas are very large.
Notice the wires stretched along the ground? Those are radials that are
cut to a specific length to match the frequencies ranges (bands) that will be
operating on this antenna. Not trying to complicate the discussion... just attempting
to illustrate the importance of ground planes (or a counterpoise) in
proper vertical antenna installations. If that antenna is similar to mine, some
of those radials may extend out around 40 feet.
@Tools... Elevation does indeed improve things, but it is not the hard part OR
the most important consideration. Proper tuning and construction ensures that
you are effectively transmitting the available RF energy into the air, regardless
of altitude. Not to mention that it is easier on the equipment. I would
take a tuned and efficient ground mounted antenna over a poorly constructed beam
on a 50' tower any day.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Many great ideas have been presented by Tools, but I'd like to chime in with what
I saw at Bldg. C (?) at Oshkosh last year.
There was an antenna guy with a demo, and he demonstrated the effectiveness of
ground planes in general, and we discussed the Pietenpol fuselage specifically
for some 20 minutes. Wish I could locate his card to provide additional info
on his company.
Anyway, the ground plane may actually be very thin foil, ideally, aluminum or copper,
and may be only 2 inches wide, but must be as long as practicable. In
the demo, he had two strips forming an X, i.e., as 90 deg. to one another, and
in the center, a small plate to which the antenna was actually attached. The
plate was only about 3 or 4 inches square, but sufficiently thick to attach the
antenna. The strips were 4 feet in length.
In the demo, he had an instrument - you antenna guys will know which one - which
gave antenna efficiency or VSWR maybe. The first ground plane he used was a
10 inch square of aluminum plate, and the second was the foil setup described
above. When he demo'd the two, the antenna efficiency was dramatically improved
when using the foil setup. And I mean DRAMATICALLY.
Then we discussed the wooden fuselage, and how it would be difficult to orient
the foil strips, as the fuselage is only 2 ft. wide, he said, NO PROBLEM. Make
the strips follow the interior or exterior contour of the fuselage, and voila,
it will be identical to the demo. What is needed here is the overall length
of the strips, as orientation doesn't matter at all.
Hope this helps...
--------
Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
tkreiner wrote:
> When he demo'd the two, the antenna efficiency was dramatically improved when
using the foil setup. And I mean DRAMATICALLY.
>
> Then we discussed the wooden fuselage, and how it would be difficult to orient
the foil strips, as the fuselage is only 2 ft. wide, he said, NO PROBLEM. Make
the strips follow the interior or exterior contour of the fuselage, and voila,
it will be identical to the demo. What is needed here is the overall length
of the strips, as orientation doesn't matter at all.
>
1. It's easy to be sneaky when comparing antennas... I could take two seemingly
equal antennas and make them perform very differently, and it would be unnoticeable
to the lay person. Not trying to insult, just saying that a couple of
mismatched elements (coil, feedline, etc.) can make a perfectly good antenna look
like junk. He's a salesman.
2. My reason for suspecting the things I say in point 1... The orientation of the
ground plane absolutely DOES matter. If you do what he instructed you to do
(follow the contour of the airplane), not only will you likely have impedance
issues at the feed point, but you will effectively BLOCK your ability to transmit
or recieve well.
For anyone who really wants to get the most out of their antenna system, here is
a good place to start.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
| From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
Will all that be covered in your Brodhead fly in workshop seminar this July ?
John
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:50 AM, "K5YAC" wrote:
>
>
> tkreiner wrote:
>> When he demo'd the two, the antenna efficiency was dramatically improved when
using the foil setup. And I mean DRAMATICALLY.
>>
>> Then we discussed the wooden fuselage, and how it would be difficult to orient
the foil strips, as the fuselage is only 2 ft. wide, he said, NO PROBLEM.
Make the strips follow the interior or exterior contour of the fuselage, and voila,
it will be identical to the demo. What is needed here is the overall length
of the strips, as orientation doesn't matter at all.
>>
>
>
> 1. It's easy to be sneaky when comparing antennas... I could take two seemingly
equal antennas and make them perform very differently, and it would be unnoticeable
to the lay person. Not trying to insult, just saying that a couple of
mismatched elements (coil, feedline, etc.) can make a perfectly good antenna
look like junk. He's a salesman.
>
> 2. My reason for suspecting the things I say in point 1... The orientation of
the ground plane absolutely DOES matter. If you do what he instructed you to
do (follow the contour of the airplane), not only will you likely have impedance
issues at the feed point, but you will effectively BLOCK your ability to transmit
or recieve well.
>
> For anyone who really wants to get the most out of their antenna system, here
is a good place to start.
>
>
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369147#369147
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| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
A ground plane is only important in a vertical. In the case of a j pole or dipole,
or others, it isn't. Those are the antennas that work better high up in
the air (a wavelength or more).
The verticals work especially well for really long distance low freqency stuff
because of the low angle of radiation. They're also just simple antennas which
is probably whey they're used for handhelds and such.
Another consideration is a dipole. We could stretch the radiating elements along
the spar. When you can get them high enough, they're really a good antenna.
They do have some directionality, broadside to the antenna, so it'll work best
when you're flying towards where you want to talk, which is the case usually.
I don't know if the attenuation off the ends would be a problem plane to
plane... possibly another reason for verticals, they have no directionality unless
used in an array.
Of course all of this is theoretical, radiation patters are usually in free space
and such. All the metal around you tends to change them to some degree. Just
trying some different ones is the most likely way we're going to find out
what will work the best. If the directionality of a dipole isn't a liability,
it is probably the best option for someone who is still building or during a
recover. We could pretty easily get some gain there.
I'm surprised there isn't more options out there. Paradigms I guess, gotta use
a vertical... Power fixes all the problems, but we're trying to maximize a handheld,
so we probably should be thinking outside the box.
The brace wires won't interfere unless the length is some sort of multiple of the
wavelength. And if they do, they may help, or hurt, just depends. Really,
just try it and see if it works. If for some reason it doesn't and everything
else is good, then they may be hurting your signal and that can be fixed by
electrically changing the length of the brace wires. We're probably getting a
little anal in that case, I doubt it will matter.
Tools
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| From: | Jeff Wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
Hi guys,
I felt compelled to weigh in here on specs. If you want to be exact and get the
best performance lets start with the cable. Coax is the common cable used from
radio to antenna but there are different types. The coax used on our tv sets
is RG59 and is 75 ohm. What we use on our radios is RG58 and is 50 ohm.
RG58 is available at Radio Shack as are connectors that you may need.
The length of the cable also matters for maximum performance.
The wavelength of 121.5 mghz is 8.1 ft. Let's round down to 8 ft. Using even multiples
of the wavelength will give best performance in both the cable and the
antenna.
So to simplify: use eight feet of cable and a quarter wave antenna of 24 inches.
This combo will give the best SWR across all aviation freqs. and be sure to
use RG58 cable. A quarter wave ground plane would be ideal as well but for space
considerations, maintain the even multiples. Divide by eighths or even 16 ths
if need be.
Here's a calculator for wavelength:
www.1728.org/freqwave.htm
Jeff Wilson
St Louis, MO
H49
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:41 AM, "tools" wrote:
>
> Here's the deal on these antennas.
>
> What we're using is a vertical antenna. They need a "ground plane" to form proper
radiation patterns. Without them, the energy from the radio doesn't all
go out the antenna, it bounces around in the antenna and feedline until it's
all used up as heat or gets radiated all out of sync. Not a big deal, but lessens
the effectiveness of the antenna.
>
> The ground plane doesn't have to be a aluminum disc. It can be a pattern of
wires all spread out like wagon wheel spokes. The point is, you can use really
fine wire and save weight if that's an issue where you are putting it. The
same with the antenna itself. At the power levels we're using, you don't need
that heavy stainless wire they use. The important property of it is the length,
it's only that heavy to withstand wind forces when placed outside the airplane.
>
> The ground plane does need to be at the feedpoint of the antenna, and perpendicular
to it. It's an unbalanced antenna, and we use unbalanced feedline to feed
it, coax. The shielding conductor goes to the ground plane.
>
> The wavelength of the freqs we use is around 6 feet I suppose and that's important
because it relates to the optimum length of the antenna. It needs to be
about 1/2 wavelength for proper impedence. If it's not, then you need to "trick"
the system into thinking it's that long, which you can do with coils, capacitors,
coiling up the radiating element, etc. These all make the system work
correctly, but again, lessen the effectiveness of the antenna. That's how the
stubby antennas work, they're all coiled up.
>
> The point it, you can make a REALLY effective antenna by using a longer radiating
element, and lighter because you can use a simple piece of wire, etc. Even
better, I seem to recall that if the radiating element of a vertical antenna
is 5/8 wavelength, it actually INCREASES your effective radiating power, it's
called a gain antenna.
>
> I'll dig into my old ham radio books and see if I can't devise a more simple
and more better antenna that we could build into our piets and do better. We're
lucky because our planes are wood. Also, it should be a lot cheaper.
>
> The best antenna I ever had for my 2 meter (144 mhz, same genre as our 120 to
130 mhz stuff) handheld radio was home made from a piece of that old brown flat
line antenna wire we used to run to our tv antennas taped to a piece of broom
handle I would just lay on the dashboard of my old van. It was called a "j
pole" antenna. Cost nothing, worked really well on the metal dash of a big old
work van. We could zip tie it along a fuse stringer and be done. Wouldn't
weigh or cost a thing, no ground plane, takes about 20 mins to make. I'll just
have to adjust some dimensions for the slightly different frequency. You feed
it with cheap old 75 ohm coax that is hanging around behind your tv set.
The antenna was about 4 feet long or so.
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| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Got to bring some facts to this conversation...
tools wrote:
> A ground plane is only important in a vertical. In the case of a j pole or dipole,
or others, it isn't. Those are the antennas that work better high up in
the air (a wavelength or more).
Yep, but just throw them up there all haphazardly and they don't work worth a crap...
I don't care how much power you throw at it.
tools wrote:
> The verticals work especially well for really long distance low freqency stuff
because of the low angle of radiation. They're also just simple antennas which
is probably whey they're used for handhelds and such.
I'm not so sure about ESPECIALLY well... light up 10 elements that are horizontally
oriented (i.e. quiet) and tuned (i.e. efficient) and you can open the band.
Not the case at all with a vertical, I can assure you. Phased verticals,
maybe... but then you are talking about an array, not a simple vertical.
tools wrote:
> Another consideration is a dipole. We could stretch the radiating elements along
the spar. When you can get them high enough, they're really a good antenna.
They do have some directionality, broadside to the antenna, so it'll work
best when you're flying towards where you want to talk, which is the case usually.
Yes, usually, but why would you NOT want the omnidirectional attributes of a vertical?
The station you may be trying to communicte with is not ALWAYS to your
front. As for getting them high to be really good... let's not forget our friends
the inverted-V, the Windom or even the folded dipole. I've worked a fair
amount of stations (and plenty of DX) on those simple pieces of properly tuned
wire at treetop level, to include 1425 Qs during Field Day 2007.
tools wrote:
> If the directionality of a dipole isn't a liability, it is probably the best
option for someone who is still building or during a recover. We could pretty
easily get some gain there.
This is simply not true. A dipole is only a slight improvement over a vertical,
but it poses other issues that make it not very well suited to our application.
tools wrote:
> I'm surprised there isn't more options out there. Paradigms I guess, gotta use
a vertical... Power fixes all the problems, but we're trying to maximize a
handheld, so we probably should be thinking outside the box.
There are a TON of options out there, but it boils down to what is practical and
what is proven to work. As for power fixing all problems... that is a big negative.
If you have a poorly built antenna, more power will only create more
heat... it won't fix anything.
jwilson wrote:
> If you want to be exact and get the best performance lets start with the cable.
Coax is the common cable used from radio to antenna but there are different
types. The coax used on our tv sets is RG59 and is 75 ohm. What we use on our
radios is RG58 and is 50 ohm.
Correct... RG-58 is perfectly suitable for short and low power runs on the aviation
band.
jwilson wrote:
> The length of the cable also matters for maximum performance... Using even multiples
of the wavelength will give best performance in both the cable and the
antenna.
True and false. The feedline (be it coax or whatever feedline you prefer, although
coax is standard), is not an active element. Yes, it must be of the proper
impedance, and using the best type of coax for the given application is critical
in proper transmission of signal, but length has nothing to do with tuning.
This part of the conversation gets pretty deep as we start discussing dielectric
materials, velocity factors, etc. To summarize, different frequencies
travel through different dielectric materials at different rates (speeds)...
therefore no one type of 50ohm coax is suitable for all applications... for example,
I use LMR400 in my HF station. If I were wanting to squeeze every bit
of signal out of my handheld air band transceiver I'd probably use LMR240 instead
of RG-58, but at the lengths we are talking about the losses arenegligiblee.
That is really what we are talking about when it comes to feedlines, losses,
not tuning. For example, the attenuation of a 100' length of RG-58 at 150MHz
is ~6.2dB... the same length of LMR240 is only 3.0dB, or in radio talk, an
entire s-unit! Ok, I understand, we aren't running 100', we are running closer
to 10', which reduces those values by a factor of 10, or .62dB and .3dB of loss
respectively. At that length we are talking about a difference of .32dB of
signal loss between the two. Am I going to run out and get some LMR240 for
that small of a boost in signal? Nope, I'll grab the readily available RG-58
and cut to whatever length I need... the shorter the better. Remember, length=attenuation=loss.
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| From: | Dan Gaston <design(at)aerocorpinc.com> |
| Subject: | GN-1 PROJECT FOR SALE |
I still have a GN-1 project for sale. Complete rib set built, tail
feathers built, fuselage sides built. All wood necessary to complete,
including spars, sheeting,everything. All wood came from Aircraft
Spruce. Laser cut 4130 fittings. Continental A-65-8 with carb,
mags,hub,and logs, on engine stand. For details, just e-mail me. I'm
tired of looking at something that I'm not going to finish. $3,000.00
for all of it, no less. I am located in Norwalk, ohio.I work Monday
through Thursday and only use the e-mail at work, so please forgive my
slow replies. Thank you, Dan Gaston.
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| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Any antenna just thrown up haphazardly may or may not work well. And in the venue
of small aircraft that only need to communicate 10 to 20 miles line of sight
with some altitude, power does indeed fix many of the problems of not so well
designed ground planes and such.
I agree, a ground plane does need to be tuned just like the driven element, but
in practice, for what we're doing, we probably don't need to bring in an engineer
to get it to work for us.
Lighting up 10 elements on 160 meters just isn't that easy! But I agree, it would
be better! Also, getting those antennas a wavelength or more above the ground
is problematic.
It isn't that I don't want the omnidirectional characteristics of the vertical,
it's just that I'm not sure the dipole is going to prove directional enough to
matter. I've never used one in this venue. I know my 80 meter dipole at 20
feet surely wasn't very directional. And it was tuned perfectly. At that point,
the only way to get more power out, was to put more power in. Now, if it
turns out to be so directional that it's a liability, it's out of the contest.
If not, well, it's a pretty easy antenna to install in a wing. Probably oughta
put a 20m dipole in there while I'm at it for field day!
As it turns out, the vertical antenna for the outside of most other airplanes,
is proven to not work so well for a lot of us Piet types. For a number of reasons.
I just think that sticking to what's available through most aviation supply
resources is limiting us. Trying a number of different antennas is both
cheap and safe. Considering we all like to tinker with things, I bring it up.
I meant the power comment tongue in cheek. I used to try to work HF in the Persian
gulf in the S-3. It tuned a thousand watts into the skin of the airplane
and I couldn't hear or talk to ANYONE. A total dead zone (bad sunspot cycle
as well as one hell of some sort of inversion in there, could never see more than
4 miles or so). We'd go out into the Indian Ocean and I would work worldwide
easily. Kinda cool to work aeronautical and nautical mobile at the same time!
I'm not trying to start the (admittedly fun) technical ham radio arguments, but
just throw some ideas out we might try that might work pretty good. If they
don't, nothing is lost, but I don't think they've been tried much in this venue.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I'm not trying to argue either... simply attempting to clear up a few of the inaccuracies.
Again you say... more power in! Yes, it might mean more power out, but how much
is being reflected? My point is that is you have a tunable circuit (most antennas
are), why not fix it? Adding power is generally expensive (more importantly,
heavier and bulkier)... and in this application it is not at all necessary
to take that approach.
tools wrote:
> I agree, a ground plane does need to be tuned just like the driven element, but
in practice, for what we're doing, we probably don't need to bring in an engineer
to get it to work for us.
No, a ground plane does not NEED to be tuned... my statement was that it would
be ideal because it would be more efficient, but in a small airplane it is difficult
to accomplish as conditions aren't ideal. As for needing an engineer...
no, I don't suppose an engineer is required to get it to work well enough for
you, but when someone asks a question, I think it's only fair to provide accurate
answers in order to put them on the right path and protect their equipment.
Seems that if Douwe wanted to just wing-it he wouldn't have asked.
Perhaps I get buried in the details, but we have honestly only scratched the surface
on this topic. We can keep it simple, and we generally have... the answer
to the original question was that the ground plane needed to be oriented at
the base of the driven element (at the feed point)... simple, right? But, as
the discussion went on it seemed that there might be some interest in knowing
WHY it should be there, and then other factors (and inaccuracies) arose.
I think you are missing the point, which is that it is smarter, cheaper and more
effective to tune the circuit instead of just throwing the gear in and saying
yeah, the signal is crap, but it works good enough. To a radio guy that is
like saying, yeah, she's only running on 3 cylinders, but I'm still getting 60%
power.
Anyhow, I'll pipe down on the matter for now. If anyone wants the straight skinny
on efficient antenna design, shoot me a note.
One more thing... 10 elements on 160? Really? I'd like to see that.
--------
Mark Chouinard
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Hey all
I am down here at Sun n Fun and have been here for a few days now. I
hope to see lots of Piet people at the show. For anyone who is
considering building a Piet, we will be building 2 fuselages at this
show and also building wing ribs.
For anyone who wants to help build stuff this is the place for it, we
can also talk with people about questions. I know of one Piet at this
point that is flying in, hopefully there will be more.
Stop by
Dick N.
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| From: | "Ralph" <ralphhsd(at)itctel.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Accessories, Manuals Needed |
A couple years ago I found Eisemann mag parts from the California
company with the full page ad in Trade-a-plane. All parts seemed to be
available. Try an antique tractor magazine for a magneto repair man and
you can probably find points, condenser, etc. for the Case magnetos.
Case mags have a really hot spark for tractor use and I=99ve been
told the airplane mags are the same thing.
Ralph in SD
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
Douwe, put the antenna as close to the center of the ground plane as
possible. Connect the braided part of the coaxial cable to the ground
plane, connect the center connector to the antenna. Of course, do not
allow the antenna to come in contact with the ground plane. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: question for the radio geeks
Okay, so if I guy an simple antenna and hook it up to the handheld,
does the ground plane have to be directly under the antenna?
For example, could the antenna be back in the fin and the ground plane
just behind the pilots seat?
And, what goes from the antenna to the ground plane, a ground wire?
Stupid questions I know, but appreciate the help.
Douwe
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
Some antenna info from the Flybaby wesite:
http://www.bowersflybaby.com/stories/antenna.htm
Greg "Happily Nordo" Cardinal
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: C N Campbell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: question for the radio geeks
Douwe, put the antenna as close to the center of the ground plane as
possible. Connect the braided part of the coaxial cable to the ground
plane, connect the center connector to the antenna. Of course, do not
allow the antenna to come in contact with the ground plane. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: question for the radio geeks
Okay, so if I guy an simple antenna and hook it up to the handheld,
does the ground plane have to be directly under the antenna?
For example, could the antenna be back in the fin and the ground
plane just behind the pilots seat?
And, what goes from the antenna to the ground plane, a ground wire?
Stupid questions I know, but appreciate the help.
Douwe
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Inst. Panel design |
As I said when I first saw the Indian Head Pennies; that is one beautiful instrument
panel.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
I'm watching the weather and gathering my camping gear. I'm hoping to try ai
rcamping. Hope to find a campsite near yours.
Ben Charvet
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, "Dick N" wrote:
> Hey all
> I am down here at Sun n Fun and have been here for a few days now. I hope
to see lots of Piet people at the show. For anyone who is considering buil
ding a Piet, we will be building 2 fuselages at this show and also building w
ing ribs.
> For anyone who wants to help build stuff this is the place for it, we can
also talk with people about questions. I know of one Piet at this point t
hat is flying in, hopefully there will be more.
> Stop by
> Dick N.
>
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| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
I'll weigh in with my experience. I've installed a 20 meter dipole from
tail to wingtips on my Stinson and worked hams from the air. I've also
helped a couple people put dipoles and ground plane antennas in their
wood airplanes and wings. I've used an antenna analyzer to tune each
antenna, some before the aircraft was covered during construction. My
recommendation is to look up your local amateur radio club and ask to
talk to the antenna gurus. They should be able to help you install both
VHF and ELT antennas that will work well under the fabric before covering.
Darrel Jones
Pfeifer Sport N154JP
Sonoma, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College 22 |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
You are welcome... it gave me something to do besides sit around and eat Round
Rock donuts, although I ate my share.
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| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Wow, how perfect! Did you make one for the VHF aircraft band? How'd the other
antennas work compared to ones on the ground? Have you tried a dipole for 2
meter work airborne? Inquiring minds...!
Tools
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| From: | Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com> |
I still have not been able to get my engine to run for more than about 10
seconds. I've tried the bubble mitigation effort and am now turning my
suspicions to my stromberg NAS3A1. Has anyone on the list rebuilt one of
these? Is anyone familiar with the contents of the rebuild kit available
from ACS? http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/stromberg.php
The engine has been sitting for several years in an environment known to
evaporate fuel into a sludge. (Sonoran Desert) It probably merits a
cleaning anyhow.
--
Andrew Eldredge
Provo, UT
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
Just to further muddy the waters on what for me is a murky subject to begin
with, I have a 1/2 wave dipole in the leading edge of my Pietenpol, which
seems to provide minimally acceptable performance. I can usually pick up an
AWOS about 8 - 10 miles out, which is plenty at Pietenpol speeds.
But it doesn't seem to transmit very well and sometimes I have trouble
hearing a tower's transmissions. I find that when I can barely hear a
transmission, if I bank the airplane it usually comes in clearer. As I
understand it, one reason that vertical antennas work well for aircraft is
that the FAA's antennas are vertical as well, meaning the signal they
propogate is vertically polarized. A dipole mounted horizontally like mine
is horizontally polarized, greatly reducing its efficiency for picking up
vertically polarized signals.
Fortunately, I rarely use the radio, reserving it for the rare occasion when
I go into a controlled field. Then it comes in handy, so I don't have to
try to remember those light gun signals.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 6:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: question for the radio geeks
I'm not trying to argue either... simply attempting to clear up a few of the
inaccuracies.
Again you say... more power in! Yes, it might mean more power out, but how
much is being reflected? My point is that is you have a tunable circuit
(most antennas are), why not fix it? Adding power is generally expensive
(more importantly, heavier and bulkier)... and in this application it is not
at all necessary to take that approach.
tools wrote:
> I agree, a ground plane does need to be tuned just like the driven
element, but in practice, for what we're doing, we probably don't need to
bring in an engineer to get it to work for us.
No, a ground plane does not NEED to be tuned... my statement was that it
would be ideal because it would be more efficient, but in a small airplane
it is difficult to accomplish as conditions aren't ideal. As for needing an
engineer... no, I don't suppose an engineer is required to get it to work
well enough for you, but when someone asks a question, I think it's only
fair to provide accurate answers in order to put them on the right path and
protect their equipment. Seems that if Douwe wanted to just wing-it he
wouldn't have asked.
Perhaps I get buried in the details, but we have honestly only scratched the
surface on this topic. We can keep it simple, and we generally have... the
answer to the original question was that the ground plane needed to be
oriented at the base of the driven element (at the feed point)... simple,
right? But, as the discussion went on it seemed that there might be some
interest in knowing WHY it should be there, and then other factors (and
inaccuracies) arose.
I think you are missing the point, which is that it is smarter, cheaper and
more effective to tune the circuit instead of just throwing the gear in and
saying yeah, the signal is crap, but it works good enough. To a radio guy
that is like saying, yeah, she's only running on 3 cylinders, but I'm still
getting 60% power.
Anyhow, I'll pipe down on the matter for now. If anyone wants the straight
skinny on efficient antenna design, shoot me a note.
One more thing... 10 elements on 160? Really? I'd like to see that.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
First off, thanks all for the radio head help. I think we're narrowing down
on a solution. I sure like the idea of a fin location because it gets it
away from most of the hunks of metal (except for the brace wires) but not
sure how to do a ground plane back there. Second choice is behind my
cockpit but I have an aluminum baggage compartment there and am afraid
between that and the control cables (and the cables from my shoulder
harness) there will be too much interference. Still thinking.
Andrew, your symptoms remind me of a time I ran an engine and it did the
same thing. Turned out my fuel supply to the carb was bad and it would only
run the bowl down then quit. Then while I tinkered, the bowl would slowly
refill and it would run again. then quit.
Douwe
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| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Andrews' a-65 |
How thin can a ground plane be? Does mass make a difference, or just
size, dimensions and orientation? Maybe you could work it into the
horizontal stab somehow?
I'm supremely ignorant on this subject, so I'm free to throw out goofy
ideas :)
Kip Gardner
On Mar 23, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> First off, thanks all for the radio head help. I think we=92re
> narrowing down on a solution. I sure like the idea of a fin
> location because it gets it away from most of the hunks of metal
> (except for the brace wires) but not sure how to do a ground plane
> back there. Second choice is behind my cockpit but I have an
> aluminum baggage compartment there and am afraid between that and
> the control cables (and the cables from my shoulder harness) there
> will be too much interference. Still thinking=85
>
> Andrew, your symptoms remind me of a time I ran an engine and it did
> the same thing. Turned out my fuel supply to the carb was bad and
> it would only run the bowl down then quit. Then while I tinkered,
> the bowl would slowly refill and it would run again=85 then quit.
>
> Douwe
>
>
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| Subject: | New source for spoked wheels |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I was reading a magazine last night and ran across this ad.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | simple VHF antenna solution |
[cid:image004.jpg(at)01CD08DA.E53C00E0] I know nothing about aircraft ante
nnas besides that this one works really well and it
fits nicely inside my fuselage arched and secured in an upside down U-shape
behind my rear seat area with nylon
tye wraps. I bought a coax cable with two female connectors-one connects
to the antenna, the other to my
Icom handheld radio.
Mike C.
http://www.advancedaircraft.com/
[cid:image003.png(at)01CD08DA.E430F980]
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| Subject: | Re: Carb Rebuild? |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Andrew,
Your float is probably stuck from sitting around. It could also be a stuck float
needle. You could tap on the carb with the wood end of a hammer and see if
that frees up the stuck float. It sounds like it is running on the prime. If
you have a primer on it, you could leave it on the unlocked position and it
would also probably run a little longer. I would try taping on the carb first.
Good luck,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
You are exactly right Jack... polarization does have some effect on radio signals.
It shouldn't be tremendous, and I wouldn't think that it would limit the
range by 80%, but it's possible that a combination of things could be having an
effect. Also true is the fact that you don't need a great deal of range when
you are a slow mover, although as one that likes to tinker I'd probably have
another look at it if it were me. Perhaps flying a knife-edge maneuver when
using the radio would help. [Laughing]
I don't mean to be critical of anyone's system, this is just one of those areas
that I enjoy, and I will definitely attempt to construct a homebrew antenna system
that gives me the most out of my handheld radio. Nope, I won't be using
gold plated connections, Teflon dielectric or anything real fancy... just good
engineering practices. Wish I had the same skill when it comes to engines,
metal work, etc. Ha!
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| Subject: | Re: simple VHF antenna solution |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Can't argue with what works! I look at the price and say WOW WEE! I need to make
a few of these to sell! I'll bet I can make an effective antenna for around
$15, but that's not to suggest that buying one is a bad idea. Again, whatever
works. Believe me, I'm farming out my share of work... at the moment I'm
awaiting delivery of Ken's hubs... just one of those things that I didn't feel
like messing with.
@John... Teaching this stuff isn't too simple. For starters it requires a basic
understanding of general electronics, and then to really get into the design
side, things like Smith charts, reactance, resistance, impedance, etc. have to
be understood. Honestly I am a little rusty on some of the more advanced theory,
but I can recall enough to fabricate simple resonators and such. I'll be
glad to bring my antenna analyzer to Brodhead for anyone that wants to evaluate
their antenna. It would literally take just a few minutes to plug it in and
give it a sweep across the band.
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Mark Chouinard
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | one man's method to get tv signals and the Tony Bingelis |
books
A certain Pietenpol builder was having trouble (me) getting a good tv signa
l
on my analog-to-digital tv converter box a few years ago when they went to
DTV
and the fancy antennas weren't getting good reception so out of futility I
just
coiled up a length of safety wire around my hand, removed it and stuck one
free
end into the 'antenna in' jack and boy did I ever get the channels!
I agree with Mark that the AAE strap/composite 'ready-to-plug-in-and-fly' a
ntenna
is a bit pricy for us Pietenpol builders and that a good performing home ma
de
antenna could be made much cheaper but knowing nothing about this field I c
hose to
just buy one and be done with it.
On another note I do believe that Tony Bingelis talks about radio antenna i
nstallation
in one of his books and for me I need simple, easy, sketches and wording li
ke Tony gives
to get the point and learn.
Hat's off to all of you who are so knowledgeable in the antenna area and by
the way Mark,
OUTSTANDING article on how you made your wood composite struts in the last
EAA issue of
Sport Aviation. (with accolades to our own Jim "That's my Dad" Markle.)
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks sarcastic rant |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I'll take your yielded time... ha! You know me!
A waste of time? NFL Sunday tone - Come on man... the original question was in
reference to the ground plane... more specifically, where it needed to be placed.
That issue was explained and a few examples were even given (Fly Baby site,
other illustrations and text). As we pressed on, there were other issues
that came up that required a response, or debate, or simply further conversation.
Call it what you want, but a waste of time? I think some of the text offered
several key (albeit basic) pieces of information, such as proper feed lines,
tuning... i.e. 234/frequency(MHz), simple and effective ground plane placement,
even some simple terminology. All of these things are key in explaining
this science to someone who wants to gain a better understanding. Could I start
from the beginning and teach this subject? Absolutely... but I'm not about
to because it goes well beyond the scope of the original question and I would
eventually get the ol, "what does this have to do with building a Pietenpol"
question. Uh huh, you thought I forgot that, didn't ya? Ha ha! Besides, there
are textbooks that do a much better job of explaining the theory with pictures
and everything... heck, even YOU could understand it. I've got a library
full of this stuff... let me know if you are interested.
If you are confused about something, perhaps you could ask more specifically...
what is it that you would like to know about building an antenna? That might
generate a more focused response. But in reality, the things that were offered
really are the building blocks of an efficient antenna system... just because
the terms seem like "conflicting jargon", it does not mean that is actually
the case.
--------
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| Subject: | Re: one man's method to get tv signals and the Tony Bingelis |
boo
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
"That's my Dad"... Haaa ha! Hey, he is a great guy though, right? Thanks for
the compliment.
The ball of wire/foil/coat hangars... never hurts to try. [Laughing]
Who is that hanging the yagi?
--------
Mark Chouinard
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| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks sarcastic rant |
I would have to say "Not a waste of Time".......I am not an antenna or
radio person so I did learned a few tidbits from the discussions.
Brian
SLC-UT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 10:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: question for the radio geeks sarcastic rant
I'll take your yielded time... ha! You know me!
A waste of time? NFL Sunday tone - Come on man... the original question
was in reference to the ground plane... more specifically, where it
needed to be placed. That issue was explained and a few examples were
even given (Fly Baby site, other illustrations and text). As we pressed
on, there were other issues that came up that required a response, or
debate, or simply further conversation. Call it what you want, but a
waste of time? I think some of the text offered several key (albeit
basic) pieces of information, such as proper feed lines, tuning... i.e.
234/frequency(MHz), simple and effective ground plane placement, even
some simple terminology. All of these things are key in explaining this
science to someone who wants to gain a better understanding. Could I
start from the beginning and teach this subject? Absolutely... but I'm
not about to because it goes well beyond the scope of the original
question and I would eventually get the ol, "what does this have to do !
with building a Pietenpol" question. Uh huh, you thought I forgot
that, didn't ya? Ha ha! Besides, there are textbooks that do a much
better job of explaining the theory with pictures and everything...
heck, even YOU could understand it. I've got a library full of this
stuff... let me know if you are interested.
If you are confused about something, perhaps you could ask more
specifically... what is it that you would like to know about building an
antenna? That might generate a more focused response. But in reality,
the things that were offered really are the building blocks of an
efficient antenna system... just because the terms seem like
"conflicting jargon", it does not mean that is actually the case.
--------
Mark Chouinard
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| Subject: | Plans for a simple antenna that should work. |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Well, the discussion wasn't intended to get whacky. From the start, this is what
I had in mind. It's the "j pole" antenna I built over 20 years ago for a very
similar frequency and it worked really well, in some very non favorable conditions
(laying on the dash of a big metal van). I was using a handheld radio
very similar to the aircraft handhelds (it was even an ICOM).
I didn't know a thing about antennas when I built it, just followed the directions.
I don't know if it'll work in a airplane, but I can't see why it won't. The dimensions
are for about 144 mhz (which has a wavelength of 6.8 feet) and we want
to make it for about 122 mhz (which has a wavelength of 8.0 feet).
The entire length of the antenna should be 3/4 of a wavelength, but it's not.
I think that's because of the particular 300 ohm brown flat lead TV antenna stuff
used or something. So....
I'm going to make one using the theoretical measurements and one just scaled up
by the percentage difference between 6.8 to 8 feet and see which one works best.
It's basically a free antenna, so there's no harm in this. Takes about an
hour to make at the most.
Here's the article:
http://www.harfordemcomm.org/files/twinlead.pdf
Replace the numbers in figure 1. with these for the theoretically correct antenna:
72" overall length
1 1/2" from the end, 22 1/2" from there to the notch 1/4" notch 47 3/4"
remaining.
I haven't figured out the other dimensions because I'm not home and don't have
a calculator and too lazy to use one online. I won't be able to get to this for
a week or two at best, AND I lost my radio charger so I don't even have a radio
to check it out on right now!
However, 6.8 to 8 is what, about 12 to 15 percent increase? Whatever it is, just
increase the measurements in the article by that. Antennas are just plain
linear I think. There's not a huge difference anyway and this antenna isn't super
picky.
If someone has a little time and wants to play around and see if it works before
I get to it, that would be great. If this does work as well as a vertical,
there's no reason we can't make a zillion of them during Brodhead.
Honestly, I never even "tuned" it for my ham radio. I just made it exactly like
this article and used it. Always had good reports and it worked better than
my magnetic mount 1/2 wave whip, which is essentially the same thing as most
of us are using now.
Cheers,
Tools
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| Subject: | Question for Mark Roberts about fuselage |
| From: | John Fay <jfay1950(at)gmail.com> |
Mark,
I'm behind on my email and just read your March 7th post, with the picture
of your fuselage (with your wife sitting in the front cockpit). I notice
you have added a door on the right side. Did you engineer that yourself,
or did you by the plans from Kerry Price? (name-spelling?)
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a simple antenna that should work. |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I can't give a definitive yea or nay on the "dashboard" J-pole design... build
it, test it, tune it, test it again... who knows. The theory behind the J-pole
is sound as you can adjust the J-leg to achieve proper tuning and the larger
element (usually 1/2 wave) should provide better gain over the normal 1/4 wave
verticals, but I don't think it's the best suited design for an airplane. They
are also sensitive to surrounding metal objects, so that needs to be considered...
and you will likely need a balun to provide the proper impedance... but
hey, tinker away! If it doesn't work as well as you would like, just add more
power! [Laughing]
Let us know how it works out.
--------
Mark Chouinard
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | AAE antenna for $75 on ebay |
I've been doing a little searching on the antenna I've been using for the p
ast 14 years in my Piet and it
has some reviews/posts on both the J-3 Cub and Stearman owner's enthusiasts
web sites.
http://compare.ebay.com/like/180843784502?var=lv<yp=AllFixedPriceItem
Types&var=sbar
Chief Aircraft actually sells the antennas for less money than the manufact
urer does here for $129 new rather than $149 from AAE.
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/antennas/advanced-aircraft-electronic
s.html
Mike C.
Here a good deal on one: [cid:image001.png(at)01CD0904.E61AD610]
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | one word can really change the meaning....or one left |
out!
I've been doing a little searching on the antenna I've been using for the p
ast 14 years in my Piet and it
has some good reviews/posts on both the J-3 Cub and Stearman owner's enthus
iasts web sites.
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| Subject: | Re: AAE antenna for $75 on ebay |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
That actually looks really neat Mike... I'm thinking it must be a folded dipole
of some sort, which would explain the balun (inside the little box) in the center.
You may have described this, but tell us, how do you have this mounted? Is it
strung from front to rear in your turtledeck, or wrapped somehow? Dipoles don't
typically offer the best omnidirectional characteristics, but hey, if it is
matched well and functions well, no need to complicate matters. It does look
to be simple to use and install.
--------
Mark Chouinard
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Stearman install of flexible AAE antenna |
http://www.stearman.net/?p=1035
Looks like this could very easily be done on a Piet too against one
of the diagonals in the fuselage. You wouldn't even need the plywood
backing they use to stiffen the antenna.
The antenna itself is flexible so they coil it up into a circle to ship it but
it expands flat.
Mine is strung in the shape of an umbrella or upside down U behind my pilot seat
inside the fuselage and below the baggage/hatbox area.
Mike C.
Here's a link to some photos of other Pietenpol-like fuselage installations:
http://www.vintageaircraft.org/featured/2003%20-%20Vol.%2031,%20No.%2004%20-%20Radio%20and%20Antenna%20Installation.pdf
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| From: | "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
Hi Guys,
I used an antenna with a built in ground plane and mounted it behind my
seat. See http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0213_JPG.jpg
The antenna is upside down but radio waves don't worry about than.
Worked well.
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Friday, 23 March 2012 11:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Andrews' a-65
First off, thanks all for the radio head help. I think we're narrowing down
on a solution. I sure like the idea of a fin location because it gets it
away from most of the hunks of metal (except for the brace wires) but not
sure how to do a ground plane back there. Second choice is behind my
cockpit but I have an aluminum baggage compartment there and am afraid
between that and the control cables (and the cables from my shoulder
harness) there will be too much interference. Still thinking.
Andrew, your symptoms remind me of a time I ran an engine and it did the
same thing. Turned out my fuel supply to the carb was bad and it would only
run the bowl down then quit. Then while I tinkered, the bowl would slowly
refill and it would run again. then quit.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Stearman install of flexible AAE antenna |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Interesting. I've made folded dipoles out of old twin lead feedline, like what
was used on old TV antennas. Are these elements some sort of metal, or are they
wire, or? I can't really tell from the photo... perhaps they are just flat
metallic strips? Generally speaking, bending the antenna elements (in the case
of a dipole) is poor practice because it has a negative effect on the radiation
pattern and could also effect the impedance. I know, I know... too much
information, but it's true. Not that it's a BAD thing, but again, to a radio
guy, it certainly isn't a good thing.
Hey, if it works, that's what counts. As far as the overall construction of these
old low and slow airplanes, the radio system is certainly way down the list
of items to fret over. Again, it's just something that some of us look at differently
and would enjoy tinkering with.
--------
Mark Chouinard
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| Subject: | Re: Plans for a simple antenna that should work. |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Here's another one worth trying. It's designed for our radios and our frequencies
already. It's another one we could make a batch of at Brodhead.
http://chrusion.com/BJ7/InvVeeAntenna4ULs.pdf
Tools
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Hi Ben
Skip and I saved a spot by us for you, give me a call when you get in, I
should be able to get a cart to pick you up.
Dick N.
612-805-1742
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Charvet
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF
I'm watching the weather and gathering my camping gear. I'm hoping to
try aircamping. Hope to find a campsite near yours.
Ben Charvet
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, "Dick N" wrote:
Hey all
I am down here at Sun n Fun and have been here for a few days now.
I hope to see lots of Piet people at the show. For anyone who is
considering building a Piet, we will be building 2 fuselages at this
show and also building wing ribs.
For anyone who wants to help build stuff this is the place for it,
we can also talk with people about questions. I know of one Piet at
this point that is flying in, hopefully there will be more.
Stop by
Dick N.
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks, will do.
Ben
On 3/23/2012 6:31 PM, Dick N wrote:
> Hi Ben
> Skip and I saved a spot by us for you, give me a call when you get in,
> I should be able to get a cart to pick you up.
> Dick N.
> 612-805-1742
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ben Charvet
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2012 9:54 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF
>
> I'm watching the weather and gathering my camping gear. I'm hoping
> to try aircamping. Hope to find a campsite near yours.
> Ben Charvet
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, "Dick N" > wrote:
>
>> Hey all
>> I am down here at Sun n Fun and have been here for a few days
>> now. I hope to see lots of Piet people at the show. For anyone
>> who is considering building a Piet, we will be building 2
>> fuselages at this show and also building wing ribs.
>> For anyone who wants to help build stuff this is the place for
>> it, we can also talk with people about questions. I know of
>> one Piet at this point that is flying in, hopefully there will be
>> more.
>> Stop by
>> Dick N.
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| From: | "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
Mark,
Other than Mike's recommendation; when you design one, would you please
sketch it out and show us how best to mount it in our Piets? The "broom
stick" antenna sounds about my speed (seeing as how my Sky Scout has lots of
broom sticks in the fuselage!). Maybe you smart guys can help the rest of us
out with a simple sketch that would work with most hand held radios. How
and where to place it, etc.?
One grateful guy,
Ray Krause
Sky Scout in progress
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 7:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: question for the radio geeks
>
> You are exactly right Jack... polarization does have some effect on radio
> signals. It shouldn't be tremendous, and I wouldn't think that it would
> limit the range by 80%, but it's possible that a combination of things
> could be having an effect. Also true is the fact that you don't need a
> great deal of range when you are a slow mover, although as one that likes
> to tinker I'd probably have another look at it if it were me. Perhaps
> flying a knife-edge maneuver when using the radio would help. [Laughing]
>
> I don't mean to be critical of anyone's system, this is just one of those
> areas that I enjoy, and I will definitely attempt to construct a homebrew
> antenna system that gives me the most out of my handheld radio. Nope, I
> won't be using gold plated connections, Teflon dielectric or anything real
> fancy... just good engineering practices. Wish I had the same skill when
> it comes to engines, metal work, etc. Ha!
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369224#369224
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Sure... I'll share my install when I get to that part. I can't guarantee that
it will be anything amazing... in fact, it will likely be a copy of something
that others have had success with... but it will be tuned and efficient. Will
it do a better job than others antennas? Since we aren't contesting with these
things that will be debatable, but I will strive for a simple, no-frills setup
and share what I find.
Don't everyone get all riled up if I come back with bandwidth plots and SWR readings!
[Laughing]
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| From: | "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
Thanks, Mark! I will be checking every day!!!
But really, there is no hurry on my part. I just find it interesting and
relieved that we have such expertise in the group. Wish I had something to
offer in return!
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 8:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: question for the radio geeks
>
> Sure... I'll share my install when I get to that part. I can't guarantee
> that it will be anything amazing... in fact, it will likely be a copy of
> something that others have had success with... but it will be tuned and
> efficient. Will it do a better job than others antennas? Since we aren't
> contesting with these things that will be debatable, but I will strive for
> a simple, no-frills setup and share what I find.
>
> Don't everyone get all riled up if I come back with bandwidth plots and
> SWR readings! [Laughing]
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369272#369272
>
>
>
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| From: | Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com> |
I find thisdiscussion of antennas both timely and excellent. I am
NOT a radio guy, but have talked with a friend who is (see below). I
recall Bingelis's diagrams. I recently met Mark, but we did not talk
radios. I believe he is an RF authority, though.
I have always intended to have a handheld radio with an external
antenna, and a week ago I was given a Sigtronics intercom. Pretty
deaf, I need one for any passenger talk at all.
So here goes my take on antennas, which, with my limits, has to be
from a practical perspective (no theory):
I have been debating 3 different INTERNAL antenna locations that add no drag:
-- in the Vstab;
-- behind the seat, upside down, with ground plane, like Mike Cuy;
-- a metal strip in the right wing, much like Jack Phillips;
as well as2 other possible EXTERNAL installations:
-- on top of the aluminum baggage lid in the center wing (use the lid
as ground plane);
-- under the fuze or on top of a wing, with Al. ground plane.
If you are calling ahead to an airport, the first two internal mounts
have the pilot and the metal engine between the antenna and the
airfield. The wing mount does not have this, and allows a larger
fractional wavelength or a full dipole. Of course, just as Jack can
bank, any pilot of other solutions can turn left or right to improve
the signal. If you mount your comm radio antenna inside, what do you
use for an antenna and ground plane for your ELT?
I'll deal withexternal antenna mounts in a moment; first the wing mount.
I really like the idea of a dipole in the wing. However I wondered
about antenna polarity as a problem in the wing, as Jack has explained
it. I think Jack is right, based on his report, that polarity may be
the problem. Improving reception in a bank seems to verify it.
Here is a bit of proof of polarity issues from an entirely different
example. When I was withSBC Comms, now called AT&T, we were looking
into so called "wireless cable TV." The FCC had granted the
equivalent of about 30 analog TV channels in a broadcast radio
spectrum, I forget the frequency range. The service compted with
landline cable TV and with satellite TV, like DirecTV. Technically
reception was pretty much line of sight, so it must have been high
frequency. In any case tall buildings and hills masked the signal in
a city that had this service. We looked into this.
The industry's solution was installation of so called "beam benders,"
which were mounted on hilltops or buildings to reach the masked
"valleys." Each unit consisted of a vertical receive antenna, a
transceiver, and a horizontal transmit receiver. The homes in the
valley had horizontal receive antennas, unlike all the others that
received well the usual signal. The horizontal receive antennas not
only got good [horizontal] signals, they did not recognize reflections
off the standard distant vertical transmit antennas.
This is all empirical data. My friend (now retired, my current "radio
guy") and I saw this all work. Use of the broomstick J-antenna would
be a current empirical test. Does it work horizontally, and how well;
does it work better vertically?
Now for the external antennas.:
-- I like the idea of under the fuze, esp. as the signal sweeps
"down," except for weeds or gravel knocking them about.
-- I like the idea of using the Al. baggage lid (hey, already in
place), except for the mobility of the lid stressing the connections,
or shifting or crammed baggage mucking up the connections.
-- I like the idea of mounting the antenna on a wing with the Al.
groundplane under the fabric, except it is more complex to form and
cover. Will this work OK? I think it should, but don't know.
If I put the external antenna up high, I'd mount my ELT radio, antenna
and ground plane behind the pilot seat. BTW I hope I never need a
transponder... I have no engine-driven electrics with an A-65, and am
outside AUS Bergstrom's "cake".
Are the views above appropriate? Since pretty deaf, I'll need good
transmission.
I welcome discussion.
Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | fuel tank grounding |
| From: | Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com> |
I have an 18 gal. Aluminum welded fuselage fuel tank. It has no tabs
on it with which to attach grounding cables. My concern is grounding
the tank to common "earth" ground for the plane, so as to discharge
static charges from sloshing fuel. This is important at any time, but
esp., as we know, before refueling.
For my solution I am considering grinding off a bit of the heavier
welds at a fold/weld to creat a smooth flat spot. Then at that point
I can attach a homemade aluminum clamp held with bolts. That clamp
will have the tank on one end and a bolt hole on the other. The bolt
hole allows connection of an aluminum cable over to the S.S. firewall,
with some slack for "drip loop," and for removing the firewall,
gascolator, etc. for maintenance.
On the other side of the firewall I will ground the firewall to the
motor mount, again with a drip loop and slack in the cable. Engine
ground is the the MM. I'll run a short cable off the MM to the bottom
of the cowl for grounding while fueling.
Does this sound like an appropriate approach?
Don't laugh; I have asked a couple of well respected builders how they
grounded their fuel tanks and got some funny answers. I am looking
for both assured mechanical connections, as well as avoidance of
intermetal dielectrics. And of course the solution needs to be
practical in eventual usage.
Thanks,
Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | Re: Carb Rebuild? |
| From: | Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com> |
Smashing! I did what you said and tapped around the float chamber. On the
next start it kept going until I shut it down. Mags checked out Oil
pressure looked good. Thanks!
Andrew
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:48 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:
> Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
>
> Andrew,
>
> Your float is probably stuck from sitting around. It could also be a
> stuck float needle. You could tap on the carb with the wood end of a
> hammer and see if that frees up the stuck float. It sounds like it is
> running on the prime. If you have a primer on it, you could leave it on
> the unlocked position and it would also probably run a little longer. I
> would try taping on the carb first.
>
> Good luck,
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369222#369222
>
>
--
Andrew Eldredge
Provo, UT
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
I for one think this was a good thread as it obviously struck a chord with
people. Sounds like I wasn't the only one thinking along those lines.
I'm gonna go with the one Mike uses, 'cause if Mikey likes it!!!! It's gotta
be good!!!!
Seriously though, looks like an easy install, which is what I want at this
point as I'm racing towards the finish line.
Thanks all!
Douwe
Did a cool thing today. Have read for years about various means to get some
elevator trim to relieve stick pressures and now since I have a little
electric system I installed a little trim servo motor in one elevator. It's
about the size of half a pack of cigarettes and only needs two tiny wires
running up to a switch under my dash. Weighs a couple of ounces and pretty
much fits inside the elevator, maybe protrudes 1/8" on the bottom, which
I'll cover with a little aluminum fairing. It'll actuate a trim tab on the
elevator and "Bobs your uncle!!" no muss, no fuss.
Sheet metal all fitted, now just have to remove it all and smooth out.
Started to finish the fiberglass work on the cowling. That's gonna take
some time!!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Ray... I won't be looking at this part of my project for some time, but still come
look every day. [Laughing]
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | Walter Allen <overalles45(at)yahoo.com> |
I have two Harley 40 spoke front wheels 21 inch x 2.15. I was told both run
true when I bought them, they are used and need polished up. I think they
are off of a dyna-glide. I paid a $110.00 for the pair plus shipping, I wou
ld take a $100.00 for the pair and you pay shipping from Kentucky to your a
ddress. If anyone is interested please email me off the list at overalles45
@yahoo.com.=0A-=0A-=0AThanks
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| Subject: | Re: Antennas-- more |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Tim...
I've pretty much exhausted my efforts at trying to explain the pros and cons of
some of these designs. I don't mean for that to sound short, just that it takes
a lot of effort to attempt to explain this science in a clear manner via text...
in person we could cover some ground pretty quick, but for me to keep pounding
the keys... well, I'd rather direct you to a couple of textbooks and manuals,
all of which would also prepare people for FCC testing... i.e. ham radio
stuff. Maybe someone else might chime in.
Honestly, if a guy can afford to spend the bucks, the antenna that Mike Cuy showed
us is sounds like a reasonable good option. Aside from the price, it is 1.
adaptable to a variety of installations, and 2. apparently a decent performer.
When I say, "aside from the price", keep in mind that is coming from someone
that doesn't see a problem in fabricating a decent antenna out of stuff I already
have laying around. If I didn't have much of a clue of these things, I'd
likely just shell out the extra scratch and be done with it. There are a few
items on my project that I will be doing exactly that.
Just for grins, here is an antenna I built about 10 years ago when I was in flight
training. At the time, I lived about 20 miles north of Tulsa International
Airport and wanted to listen to the radio chatter from the house. At that distance,
the rubber ducky offered intermittent reception at best, and that was
if I were outside. So, I constructed this simple vertical dipole from PVC and
speaker wire. For those unfamiliar, I simply split the center conductor and
shield of my RG-58 coax and connected (soldered) the speaker wire directly to
these leads (see crumby Paint Shop Pro drawing... circa 2003)
To hold these elements spread apart, and vertical, I simply used electrical tape
to secure the wires to a length of 1" PVC and stuck it in the air (about 5 feet
off the ground)... making for a vertically polarized dipole.
As you can see, the length of each is element is 21.5" long. For anyone doing
the math, that puts the fundamental frequency around 130MHz, not the 122.5MHz
I suggested we shoot for in my previous post. Why? Well, I didn't plan to navigate
with this antenna, so I didn't care about the lower portion of the air
band... my interest was 118-137MHz, so I picked a nice round number near the middle
of the voice portion of the band and hit the calculator... 234/130MHz=1.8feet...
nice round numbers, right? If I multiply 1.8*12 I get 21.6 inches...
21.5 was close enough for this project, and since I was sharing this information
with a friend at the time, I proceeded to keep it simple. Here is a shot
I took for that friend to illustrate the overall size of this simple antenna...
pretty small eh? I know, I know... I look way too serious in this photo. Ha!
In case that's not geeked out enough, here is a flame thrower I built for a wireless
communications class project back in 2003. I am normally into HF communications,
which means BIG antennas and BIG power, but in order to keep things
simple (small) and level the playing field, our instructor asked everyone to design
and build an antenna for 144MHz... the 2M amateur radio band. I'll cut
to the chase and simply describe that this a 5-element cubical quad. A quad is
a full-wave loop antenna... meaning that the elements are one full wavelength
long, not a half wave, or a measly quarter wave (as we are talking about with
our air band antennas). A quad is efficient, quiet (low noise signature) and
provides high gain. The main drawback, especially in the HF world, is that
the are very large and have a high wind loading... i.e. they get blown around
or load up with ice and crumble easier than other designs. How good is this design?
It smoked everyone in the class, including my instructor. The next closest
antenna was my instructor's TEN element yagi... picture an old TV type antenna
with the elements stacked one in front of the other. For you other geeks
out there, the numbers that matter... 9.3dBd gain. Three s-units over a dipole!
I was able to trip a repeater in Choteau, Oklahoma, roughly 40 miles away
on ~3 watts of power with the antenna on a 10' mast. The trick? Fine tuning
(SWR was well under 2:1 for the entire band, and 1:1 at our test frequency...
146MHz), and low loss feed line... I used bury-flex LMR400, which only cost
me about .1dB of attenuation at these frequencies. Oh, just for the record,
there was a well built J-pole in the mix that belonged to my lab partner... weak!
But then again, I don't think anyone wants to mount a quad to their airplane
or contact an airport in the next state!
Any questions? LOL!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Questions answered, doubts dispelled |
I'm in Florida a few days before Sun 'n Fun to hang out with an old friend from
college. Yesterday (Friday), I caught up with Ben Charvet at his hangar in Titusville
to get a good hard look at a running Piet and get as many questions as
I could think of answered. The most nagging was if I could fit in one. I'm 6'1"
and 210 lb (or I was until my friend started feeding Thursday night upon my
arrival. After some initial introductions and a little dialog, Ben asked if
I wanted to go flying while the weather looked nice, and we could talk more once
we landed. I'm certainly not going to decline an offer like that, so after
a brief tutorial on front-hole entry, I was in and we were gone.
We went east (there really ain't a whole lot more east to be had before that ocean
starts looking pretty big) and tried to do an aerial tour of the Space Center.
But we didn't get a response from them to a radio call, so we turned north
and ran up the beach. The air was smooth and the weather was warm (from a NH
perspective, we'd be calling that hot, with an added expletive or two) and sunny,
although I was at least in the shade tucked up underneath the wing. It was
really a perfect day for a flight like that. Ben let me fly for quite a bit,
but honestly, the plane was trimmed and happy, so it pretty much flew itself,
and any significant input from me would have just screwed-up the moment. This
was the classic low-and-slow that this type of plane lives for; a blend of both
exhilaration and peace at the same time.
When we landed, Ben first showed me how he gets into the business seat, then I
tried it. He's a lot more limber and practiced of this maneuver than I am, but
I managed to get in. Ben's plane is a long fuse, to plans, so I was very impressed
with the relative spaciousness of the rear seat. It was a lot roomier than
I expected, so it was like a weight of doubt was lifted from me. I've heard
(and been counciled on) sad stories of people spending years to build their dream
plane, only to find they couldn't fit in it or they didn't like (or couldn't
handle) its behavior. There's absolutely no way I was going to set myself
up for something like that, but it's not gonna happen here; we're good. We pushed
the plane back into the hangar, and then I accepted an invitation to meet
Ben's wife for lunch at a local restaurant and ride in his beautiful model-A truck
to get there. Lunch was wonderful. The restaurant cuisine available to us
near our home in northern NH doesn't include a lot of variety (unless you count
the 99's; I don't), so I try to eat well when I'm traveling and this restaurant
served an exceptional lunch.
We returned to his hangar after lunch and discussed a lot of detail about construction
methods and materials, and removed a couple inspection panels to get a
detailed look at some airplane guts. Ben answered all my questions with patience,
grace, and pragmatism. Everybody building a plane has their balances between
short-cutting construction techniques and materials, and being ridiculously
anal about them. I find Ben's balances to be very similary to my own, which
was also a pleasant surprise. We parted ways mid-afternoon.
I guess I'm running out of excuses why I haven't started mine yet.
My great thanks to Ben for the boost.
Jim Ash
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
I like your trim system Douwe. Where did you get the servo motor and do you
=0Athink you can post a pic? Cheers, Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________
__________________=0AFrom: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>=0AT
o: pietenpolgroup =0ASent: Sat, March 24, 201
2 9:00:28 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Antenna=0A=0A =0AI for one think th
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like I wasn=99t the only one thinking along those lines.=0A =0AI
=99m gonna go with the one Mike uses, =98cause if Mikey likes it!!
!! It=99s gotta be =0Agood!!!!=0A =0ASeriously though, looks like an
easy install, which is what I want at this point =0Aas I=99m racing t
owards the finish line.=0A =0AThanks all!=0A =0ADouwe=0A =0ADid a cool thin
g today. Have read for years about various means to get some =0Aelevator t
rim to relieve stick pressures and now since I have a little electric =0Asy
stem I installed a little trim servo motor in one elevator. It=99s a
bout the =0Asize of half a pack of cigarettes and only needs two tiny wires
running up to a =0Aswitch under my dash. Weighs a couple of ounces and pr
etty much fits inside the =0Aelevator, maybe protrudes 1/8=9D on the
bottom, which I=99ll cover with a little =0Aaluminum fairing. It
=99ll actuate a trim tab on the elevator and =9CBobs your =0Auncle
!!=9D no muss, no fuss.=0A =0ASheet metal all fitted, now just have
to remove it all and smooth out. Started =0Ato finish the fiberglass work
============== =0A
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| Subject: | antennas-- reply to Mark C. |
| From: | Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com> |
Mark,
Thanks very much for your reply. Despite "not wanting to pound keys,"
you gave me a lot of rich info in text form, all good stuff.
My first reaction is to state that your dipole is more or less what I
had in mind for a wing installation, but as Jack P. apparently does,
I'd likely experience that polarity problem. I think the same would
be true in placing the dipole in the fuze behind the pilot, running it
fore and aft. You would know more about that.
If we can agree on that, then it is all a choice of placement of
VERTICAL antennas. I like the idea of making something, so it may
well be something like Mike Cuy's inverted quarter lambda with ground
plane. While I am a long way from needing a radio, now is the time to
install anything inside the fuze. And Ii need to consider the
location for that pesky ELT stuff. There could be more stuff than I
like behind the pilot seat.
I have saved all this antenna discussion, pix and vendors, and will
chew on it all for awhile. I'll also send to my RF buddy. You and he
could have discussions of great mutual joy, all far over my head. I
love your big array antenna, and he will, too.
Before I do anything I will call you.
Thanks,
Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | Re: antennas-- reply to Mark C. |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Yeah, feel free to call Tim. I think I gave you my card, but if not my info is
in the Piet Builder's list that Jack Textor maintains and distributes. If you
don't have it, let me know.
On the dipole... while not my first choice in an antenna, I can't say that it wouldn't
work well in one airplane or another. While most of our builds are similar
(cables, fittings, etc.), there are variables that could (and probably do)
have and effect on these things. That is why I can't give a definitive answer
on what would absolutely work best for everyone... my position is simply a
reasonable starting place for someone who wishes to construct their own antenna
based on...
1. The desired pattern (omnidirectional, as in a vertical).
2. Ease of construction.
3. Simple to tune.
4. Perhaps most importantly... good engineering practices.
It's just another thing to learn along the way. I find radio fascinating... even
in these days of computers and the Internet... no, ESPECIALLY in these days
of computers and the Internet. Some might choose to dig in and learn something
else, like constructing and drilling wheel hubs... not me. I'll leave that
to someone that already has it figured out... thank you Ken Perkins! Yes, I'm
still excited about the fact that wheels are in the very near future. LOL!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | Walter Allen <overalles45(at)yahoo.com> |
The wheels are already gone. Thanks for all the interest.=0A-=0AThanks=0A
Walter
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Primed metal fittings |
Agreed!- All of my metal fittings that need to be attached prior to fabri
c are just in primer. The exposed metal will be painted after fabric applic
ation to match their location color.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
For those interested, (there ARE a few...believe it or not...) my website h
as been updated with the latest HINT Video as well us more pictures in the
"In Work" tab.
Oh, I also tried my hand at uploading a video to You Tube search for Pieten
pol HINT, it should be the first link.- Thanks to those who encourage me
to keep the site running and up to date!
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Sterba propeller |
| From: | "olflyr45" <wyliejohnson45(at)gmail.com> |
71x46 fits Continental A & C series and O-200. $500.
(865)963-6978 pictures available.
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| Subject: | Re: Carb Rebuild? |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Very good Andrew. I have needed to do that on several occasions with engines that
have sat around awhile. Glad it worked for you.
Cheers,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey Michael,
I seriously appreciate the helpful "prod" to not rush things near the end
and please know I am in TOTAL agreement. I didn't mean to imply I'm rushing
as in shortcutting. I am rushing as in "hurrying" AND not being silly about
things which I personally consider unimportant, and a recessed trim tab to
me is unimportant. I know some people are offended by a trim tap sticking
off the end of a control surface, but it's just never bothered me.
I had a talk with the young man I'm paying to help do scut work about this
final push and how it is ironic that as you near the end, you REALLY want to
be done and are REALLY ready to be done, but that you must force yourself to
slow down and do good work because these final things tend to be what meets
the eye first, so slipshod work will really show.
Thanks for watching my back Michael, and being honest, appreciate it.
Douwe
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | talk to me about seat cushion material |
Okay gents (and ladies??)
Those of you who have spent hours in your Piets actually flying around, I'd
love to hear your take on seat cushion materials.
Need to start work on those and have heard good things about the old
"temperfoam" ACS sells. Also have some closed cell foam I've been using for
hangar flying patrols which works nicely.
Also, should we fabricate "pillows" that Velcro in or just lay in the foam
and screw the cover around the perimeter into the wood.
Douwe
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Douwe,
About that trim tab - there is a way to do it that is almost unnoticeable.
Rather than making a piece of sheet aluminum that extends beyond the
trailing edge, just make a wedge of wood that is screwed to the trailing
edge such that its rear surface (the blunt end of the wedge) is flush with
the trailing edge of the rudder or elevator. Paint it to match the control
surface and it will barely be noticeable. I put such a trim tab on the
bottom of the right aileron on my RV-4.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rushing things
Hey Michael,
I seriously appreciate the helpful "prod" to not rush things near the end
and please know I am in TOTAL agreement. I didn't mean to imply I'm rushing
as in shortcutting. I am rushing as in "hurrying" AND not being silly about
things which I personally consider unimportant, and a recessed trim tab to
me is unimportant. I know some people are offended by a trim tap sticking
off the end of a control surface, but it's just never bothered me.
I had a talk with the young man I'm paying to help do scut work about this
final push and how it is ironic that as you near the end, you REALLY want to
be done and are REALLY ready to be done, but that you must force yourself to
slow down and do good work because these final things tend to be what meets
the eye first, so slipshod work will really show.
Thanks for watching my back Michael, and being honest, appreciate it.
Douwe
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | talk to me about seat cushion material |
Douwe I can answer a couple of the questions you have asked.
I have ACS Temperfoam seat cushions. The stuff is pricey but is very
comfortable. My cushions are made up in two layers - the stiffest foam on
the bottom, then a layer of medium foam on top. Total thickness is 2". I
glued them together and took them to a local upholstery shop that does a lot
of boat seats. I bought an entire cowhide of nice soft brown leather from
B&B Aircraft Services in Kansas City for $110 and that was enough leather to
do both seats, both cockpit coamings and have a little bit to spare.
The seats are very comfortable and I've flown some long days in them. The
longest was in 2008 when I flew from Raleigh to Brodhead in one day (took
off from Raleigh just as the sun was rising and landed at Brodhead about 15
minutes after sundown). Even with comfortable seat cushions I don't want to
do that again.
My seat cushions have velcro that sticks them down to the seat frames. This
has caused problems. Twice I've had the front seatback cushion come loose
in flight and fall down in front of the seat, blocking movement of the front
stick. It is not a lot of fun landing the airplane when you can't bank to
the left. Now I run a bungee cord around the front seatback cushion to
ensure it stays in place. If you can devise a good way to screw the
cushions down, I would do so.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: talk to me about seat cushion material
Okay gents (and ladies??)
Those of you who have spent hours in your Piets actually flying around, I'd
love to hear your take on seat cushion materials.
Need to start work on those and have heard good things about the old
"temperfoam" ACS sells. Also have some closed cell foam I've been using for
hangar flying patrols which works nicely.
Also, should we fabricate "pillows" that Velcro in or just lay in the foam
and screw the cover around the perimeter into the wood.
Douwe
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: rushing things |
You are welcome. I know what you mean and I know how you feel being able to
"see the light..." as you near the end. (Beginning!)- I look forward to
seeing pictures of the finished product, so take a few when you get there!
FYI, I received my newsletter yesterday, VERY impressed with your sculpture
..that is putting it mildly!
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
=0A
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | talk to me about seat cushion material |
Well, you asked for those flying, which I am not, however, your post is tim
ely as I am working on the same.
My thoughts:- I bought foam from our local Joan Fabrics for two seat bott
om cushions custom cut to the approx. size. - At this point, I do not pla
n on having cushions for the backs.- This foam cuts just fine with an ele
ctric carving knife.
My plan is to have the front seat cushion in place only if there will be a
person up front, otherwise it will be stowed, (storage behind pilot) or off
the plane all together.
Originally, I had planned on simply having stand alone cushions, but I have
heard, even when sitting on them, they move around. So, I may just install
some plywood to make a small wall or ledge around the front seat and on th
e front of the pilot seat, then fit the cushion down in side.
"Fabric" will be some sort of weather worthy stuff like found on boats. ...
or...?
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
No action - Test Only
bed
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| Subject: | Re: talk to me about seat cushion material |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi Douwe - I do fly.
Shelley made the cushions. We used the high-dollar foam from aircraft spruce and
she bought a cow-hide off ebay and used it to make both seat cushions and the
coaming, similar to what Jack described. Also similar to Jack, she layered
the various densities to make the cushions more comfortable. I believe the cushions
are 2".
In the back: the bottom cushion takes up almost the whole seat bottom and is not
secured by anything but my butt. That has never, ever created a problem. It
does not move. My back rest cushion is a neck pillow that she covered in duck
cloth of an appropriate color (same fabric as the cockpit covers). BTW: The
duck cloth on the cockpit covers shrinks and the red trim bleeds color when
wet.
In the front: she made a cushion that takes up the tiny seat bottom. Even with
the high-dollar foam people get uncomfortable up there pretty quick.
My record day was 500 miles and that's pretty tiring. The seat cushion was not
a problem, though. As you may be aware, the trips from Texas to Brodhead are
3 days each way and I fly a lot while at Brodhead.
Hope this helps.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: talk to me about seat cushion material |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Scott and I learned a little about this issue bringing ours home from Osceola MN.
18 hours in three days.
Dick was kind enough to put in a very nice thermarest stadium style seat, but it
severely limited back stick (being a new tail wheel guy, this was a bit of a
problem!).
On our first overnight in Brodhead, we walked into town and found a dollar general.
We bought a couple of the cheapest blankets they have there. About six
bucks for a twin bed sized blanket. Some sort of all synthetic material. Well,
on the way out of town, I folded one up and tried it for an emergency cushion
while Scott used the stadium seat (he'd just hold it out of the way for landings).
That cheapo blanket makes a GREAT seat cushion. Whatever it is, it doesn't matt
down at all, doesn't take on moisture, and I've still got it in there. I think
I'm going to make a simple bag for it and velcro it down in the long run.
I havn't found a back cushion really necessary. Probably going to go get another
(had to leave one in Brodhead) for the front seat, just get a smaller one or
cut one of twin sized ones down a bit.
If you're interested in this, let me know, I'll go to a local dollar general and
see if I can't get more useful details.
Tools
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Inst. Panel design |
Here's mine. Gene
From: pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Inst. Panel design
Date: Tue=2C 20 Mar 2012 08:12:41 -0400
Group=2C
I
have the basic set up for my panel in mind but would like to request
from
the group pictures of your panels. I have combed over
WestCoast-Piet
and other sites for other ideas also. I thought it might
be
an interesting thread to see what people have done with instrument
placement=2C
type of ply=2C or veneer wood or metal finish. I think I am
leaning
towards a burl veneer panel. Look forward to any panel pics.
Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
Brian=2C
Here's mine:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake=2C Virginia
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: talk to me about seat cushion material |
For long trips in my Vtail (or the 2001 Toyota Corolla), I often take a memory
foam pillow off of my bed. Makes a world of difference.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: talk to me about seat cushion material
>
> Hi Douwe - I do fly.
>
> Shelley made the cushions. We used the high-dollar foam from aircraft spruce
and she bought a cow-hide off ebay and used it to make both seat
> cushions and the coaming, similar to what Jack described. Also
> similar to Jack, she layered the various densities to make the
> cushions more comfortable. I believe the cushions are 2".
>
> In the back: the bottom cushion takes up almost the whole seat
> bottom and is not secured by anything but my butt. That has never,
> ever created a problem. It does not move. My back rest cushion is
> a neck pillow that she covered in duck cloth of an appropriate
> color (same fabric as the cockpit covers). BTW: The duck cloth on
> the cockpit covers shrinks and the red trim bleeds color when wet.
>
> In the front: she made a cushion that takes up the tiny seat
> bottom. Even with the high-dollar foam people get uncomfortable up
> there pretty quick.
>
> My record day was 500 miles and that's pretty tiring. The seat
> cushion was not a problem, though. As you may be aware, the trips
> from Texas to Brodhead are 3 days each way and I fly a lot while at
> Brodhead.
> Hope this helps.
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/San Marcos, TX
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369409#369409
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Got your test Barry. Gardiner
--- On Tue, 3/27/12, Barry Davis wrote:
From: Barry Davis <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test only
Date: Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 10:48 AM
No action - Test
Only
bed
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: talk to me about seat cushion material |
Hi Kevin, It looks like another Piet gathering just after Labor Day at Tripple
Tree Aerodrome in South Carolina just below Greenville. Google Tripple Tree Aerodrome
and you will be amazed at the field. I went there last year and it was
a blast.. I hope to be flying by Brodhead. Cheers, Gardiner
--- On Tue, 3/27/12, kevinpurtee wrote:
> From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: talk to me about seat cushion material
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 10:54 AM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "kevinpurtee"
>
> Hi Douwe - I do fly.
>
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