Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-lg
June 04, 2012 - June 21, 2012
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Oops, I think |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
John,
I have to take my grandson to school. Stand by...I've been down this road...
Gary
------Original Message------
From: John Francis
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oops, I think
Sent: Jun 4, 2012 7:01 AM
I you can see in the attached picture, I have a problem. I have already glued/bolted
my wing tips on without sliding the front aileron spar in place. I played
around with this shorter scrap piece of wood to get some idea of how to overcome
this without tearing anything apart. Would it be acceptable to make the
spar in two pieces (laminated lengthwise) and glued into place after placing
them in the rib? I would probably just cut the height of the spar 1/4 inch shorter
and slide and glue a piece of 1/2 by 1/4 capstrip under it. Your thoughts.
--------
John Francis
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Oops, I think |
I tried clicking on the attachment and there was a note that came up that
said, "The webpage could not be shown." How about checking it and resend.
C
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 10:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oops, I think
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> I you can see in the attached picture, I have a problem. I have already
> glued/bolted my wing tips on without sliding the front aileron spar in
> place. I played around with this shorter scrap piece of wood to get some
> idea of how to overcome this without tearing anything apart. Would it be
> acceptable to make the spar in two pieces (laminated lengthwise) and glued
> into place after placing them in the rib? I would probably just cut the
> height of the spar 1/4 inch shorter and slide and glue a piece of 1/2 by
> 1/4 capstrip under it. Your thoughts.
>
> --------
> John Francis
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374662#374662
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| Subject: | Re: Oops, I think |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Perhaps a shorter (height) piece could be inserted and pushed snug to the top and
clamped into place. The gap for the piano hinge could be established and the
aileron cut loose. At that time the full size spar could be placed into place
and glued in???
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John Francis
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
John,
I know the feeling well. With slumping of the shoulders, neck and head, and
a sigh of resignation, one merely whispers, "F__k." Then it's off to fix-it
mode...
You may well find your own fix, but, placed in a very similar situation, I
chose to carefully cut the glue joint at the trailing edge with thin back
saw (and the mid spar). I then cut the wing tip bow at the rear spar, where
it needs to be cut anyhow, ending up with a short piece of bow. Corrections
can then be made, and the bow carefully replaced and glued. I used picture
frame clamps.
Aside from the fact that you just announced to practically the entire,
world-wide Pietenpol building community (and dragged me along with you), no
one will ever know!!
Best of luck,
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
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gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oops, I think
John,
I have to take my grandson to school. Stand by...I've been down this road...
Gary
------Original Message------
From: John Francis
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oops, I think
Sent: Jun 4, 2012 7:01 AM
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I you can see in the attached picture, I have a problem. I have already
glued/bolted my wing tips on without sliding the front aileron spar in
place. I played around with this shorter scrap piece of wood to get some
idea of how to overcome this without tearing anything apart. Would it be
acceptable to make the spar in two pieces (laminated lengthwise) and glued
into place after placing them in the rib? I would probably just cut the
height of the spar 1/4 inch shorter and slide and glue a piece of 1/2 by 1/4
capstrip under it. Your thoughts.
--------
John Francis
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374662#374662
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Westcoast Pietenpol flyin? |
Wow=2C what a pretty plane!!! If your Piet is anywhere near as nice as the
Waiex you flew to Frazier lake it will be the best in the west. It was ni
ce to visit with you saturday. I was hurting so bad with the back problem
that I was not my normal self but still enjoyed having you there. Hope you
come again next year=2C hopefully with the Piet=2C if not the Waiex is a g
reat addition to any fly in. Vic
> From: Raykrause(at)frontiernet.net
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Westcoast Pietenpol flyin?
> Date: Fri=2C 1 Jun 2012 14:28:46 -0700
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> Plan to depart Colusa at around 8 AM ..... but in my Waiex.
>
> Thanks=2C
>
> Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Groah" <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Sent: Friday=2C June 01=2C 2012 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Westcoast Pietenpol flyin?
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> > Yes. The west coast gathering is tomorrow. Are you going to make it?
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> > Mike Groah.
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> > Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jun 1=2C 2012=2C at 10:07 AM=2C "Ray Krause" <Raykrause@frontiernet.
net>
> > wrote:
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> >> Dear group=2C
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> >> Is it correct that the flyin at Fraiser Lake is tomorrow? I have heard
> >> no mention about it lately.
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> >> Thanks=2C
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> >> Ray Krause
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle"
> >>
> >> To: "Pietenpol List"
> >> Sent: Friday=2C June 01=2C 2012 5:46 AM
> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fun Pietenpol video
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> >>> This is from the Pietenpol group on Facebook...for those of you NOT o
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> >>> Facebook (and good for you!).......
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> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OHxkjEn6IA&feature=colike
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> >>> If that link fails=2C search Youtube for: "Pietenpol gyroflyer582"
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> >>> Jim in Pryor
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Big dittos on my side too! Thanks to Charlie, Jody got her first ride in a
Piet on Saturday, and she was still talking about it last night! That's not
normal... This is what we call in sales "a buying signal". :-). She LOVED
it, and is wanting me to "get on with it". So now I can remind her of that
when I need money to keep building...
Now, if I can get all of you west coast pieters to assemble in my barn to
help out once a month for the next year, we might have one more Piet there
next year too! (a guy can dream cant he?)
I think many of us have been around other groups like this before, whether
model airplane clubs, car clubs, etc., so we have a point of comparison. I
have yet to meet any other group of loosely assembled folks that have the
generosity, willingness to help others, and encouragement as this bunch of
folks. Truly a unique atmosphere. I am not entirely sure how or why that is
the case, but I am very glad I decided not to build an RV... Charlie again
refused money for gas and food as my wife tried to foist it on him (through
me in the old "put-it-in-the-palm-of-your-hand-when-you-shake-good-bye"
trick).
Could it be that building a plane from an era when people were not as busy,
when neighbors helped neighbors (I hear Bernard kept gas in his tanks in
case someone needed to fly somewhere in an emergency), when 24/7 news
channels were not even dreamed about, could somehow bring out some of those
same golden characteristics in it's builders like some kind of time warp?
If it is, I hope it is the only warp I see in my Piet!
Thanks again Charlie and Mike for organizing the event, and for all who
contributed to a great day (again!)
Mark and Jody Roberts
Fresno
Sent from my iPad
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> *From:* Darrel Jones [mailto:wd6bor(at)vom.com 'wd6bor(at)vom.com');>]
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:28 PM
> *To:* Michael Groah
> *Cc:* ' Bob O' Hara' abohara(at)att.net 'abohara(at)att.net');>; ' Irwin Fust' ifust(at)digitalpath.net;
> ' Mike Hardaway' papa.bike.mike(at)gmail.com 'papa.bike.mike(at)gmail.com');>; Chris Tracy; Chris Tracy; D.K. Philbin;
> Gary Boothe; George Benson; Jim Markle; Jim Boyer; Jim Boyer; John Watson;
> John Doig; john kerr; Jorge Lizarriga; Larry Jobe; Manuel Sparks; Mark
> Roberts; Michael Weaver; Mike Bikle; Mike Bikle; Perry Shipman; Piet List;
> Ray Krause; Scott De Bel; Scott Liefeld; Walt Bowe
> *Subject:* Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering****
>
> ** **
>
> On 5/27/2012 8:15 AM, Michael Groah wrote: ****
>
> Ok, everyone... we're now less than a week away from our west coast
> Pietenpol gathering.****
>
> ** **
>
> It's June 2nd at Frazier lake..... See the attached flyer for the
> rest of the info....****
>
> ** **
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> I'm looking forward to seeing you all there!****
>
> ** **
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> Mike Groah****
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> I just wanted to thank Charlie and Cecilia Miller and their family for
> hosting us at Frazier Lake this Saturday. It looks like Charlie burned
> enough fuel hopping rides to make it a good way to Brodhead. I had been
> meaning to get to Frazier Lake for about thirty years and am glad I finally
> made the trip. It was great seeing the group and I want to thank Mike Groah
> for sending the flier and reminders. I'm looking forward to my next return
> visit. Now to get cracking on my Corvair engine so I can fly down there in
> the Pfeifer.
>
> Darrel Jones
> Pfeifer Sport N154JP
>
> Icing on the cake was seeing Charlie's beautiful Stinson. I knew he was a
> great guy!****
>
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| Subject: | Re: Black and White Video on Drag |
| From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
That's it!
Thanks
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
Hi Mike and all,
Arlene and I really enjoyed being at Frazer Lake West Coast Piet Flyin (Mik
e did fly in and Charlie did a lot of flying).
It is always good to see others pictures and ask questions. Looking at all
the real antiques was nice as well. Ray's airplane is certainly a beautiful
machine as well; can't spell Wi.... (Sonex with a V tail).
=C2-
Congratulations to Charlie, Cecelia and Elsie and the helpers for the great
BBQ. Now I have to get back tot he garage and put on the rocker arm covers
; and more.
Thanks everyone, it was nice to see you all.
Jim
=C2-
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | west coas Piet meet |
I my opinion the west coast Piet meet was a great success. We did not have
a lot of Piet planes there but there was a large group of eager builders m
aking great progress on their projects. I predict several more planes next
year. Several are promised.
Charlie Miller and his family went all out as usual to make it a roaring su
ccess. He logged several hours of piet time giving rides to those who had
not flown in a Piet. Great incentive to get ours done. Sadly my back was
so bad I could not get into the plane that day and I missed out.
Charlie and Mike Groah and their families made sure no one went away hungry
. Charlie's wife and mom as well as Mandy and Linda Groah put out more tha
n were could eat.
The whole idea of the gathering is for fellowship=2C sharing ideas and toys
. All of that was done. New friendships were made and old ones renewed.
What a great bunch of folks.
The Frazier Lake airport is a perfect place for the meet. There are many o
pen hangers with amazing collector air craft on site=2C many more displayed
on the grass field for open hanger day. The grass strip is perfect for us
tail draggers and the 80 degree sunny days are just wonderful. The breeze
was right down the strip. What more could one ask. If you are anywhere n
ear next year you need to come to this event. We had people come from as f
ar as southern Oregon.
We are eager to come to next years event with our newly completed Piet. H
ope to see you there.
Vic Groah
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| Subject: | Re: Oops, I think |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Gary,
I didnt quite follow your instructions but think you should know that I havent
mounted my trailing edge yet. The least evasive (I should of stuck to brain surgery)
I can see is to simply cut the wing tip bow where it is cut anyway and
slide them in. Or remove the small solid panel from the center rib (marking
beginning of aileron bay) and slide the spar in from the root side of the wing.
--------
John Francis
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374687#374687
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Oops, I think |
That's even better yet! Yes, just cut the bow and carry on...for some reason, as
Chuck said, the link did not work.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 10:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Oops, I think
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Gary,
I didnt quite follow your instructions but think you should know that I havent
mounted my trailing edge yet. The least evasive (I should of stuck to brain surgery)
I can see is to simply cut the wing tip bow where it is cut anyway and
slide them in. Or remove the small solid panel from the center rib (marking
beginning of aileron bay) and slide the spar in from the root side of the wing.
--------
John Francis
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374687#374687
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| From: | "Ray Krause" <Raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Westcoast Pietenpol flyin? |
Vic,
Thanks for the compliments on the Waiex. It was easy to build and a
great pleasure as it was my first project after my 3rd retirement. It
only took 14 months of mostly pure pleasure! Had a great trip down to
Fraiser Lake and back, great flying conditions.
I think you and Mike were co-hosts with Charlie for the fly in. You did
a great job and I would like to contribute to the food fund (and other
expenses), if it is possible.
Would enjoy seeing your Piet someday, maybe next year at the fly in?
I did not know about the back injury. Hope you recover completely, very
soon!
Thanks again,
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: V Groah
To: piet list
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Westcoast Pietenpol flyin?
Wow, what a pretty plane!!! If your Piet is anywhere near as nice as
the Waiex you flew to Frazier lake it will be the best in the west. It
was nice to visit with you saturday. I was hurting so bad with the back
problem that I was not my normal self but still enjoyed having you
there. Hope you come again next year, hopefully with the Piet, if not
the Waiex is a great addition to any fly in. Vic
> From: Raykrause(at)frontiernet.net
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Westcoast Pietenpol flyin?
> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:28:46 -0700
>
>
> Plan to depart Colusa at around 8 AM ..... but in my Waiex.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Groah" <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Westcoast Pietenpol flyin?
>
>
> >
> > Yes. The west coast gathering is tomorrow. Are you going to make
it?
> >
> > Mike Groah.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jun 1, 2012, at 10:07 AM, "Ray Krause"
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear group,
> >>
> >> Is it correct that the flyin at Fraiser Lake is tomorrow? I have
heard
> >> no mention about it lately.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Ray Krause
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle"
> >>
> >> To: "Pietenpol List"
> >> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:46 AM
> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fun Pietenpol video
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This is from the Pietenpol group on Facebook...for those of you
NOT on
> >>> Facebook (and good for you!).......
> >>>
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OHxkjEn6IA&feature=colike
> >>>
> >>> If that link fails, search Youtube for: "Pietenpol gyroflyer582"
> >>>
> >>> Jim in Pryor
> >>> NX1929J
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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| From: | "Ray Krause" <Raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
Thanks, Charlie!
The fly In was great this last Saturday. Thanks for hosting it! I
really enjoyed seeing your Piet again and also Mike Madrid's. Both are
beautiful and a great example of hard work and persistence. I know you
did not build yours, Mike; but you do a great job maintaining it. It
was great of you to fly it all the way from Lompoc..,... of course, that
is not as far as going to Osh!
Thanks for the great grub. I did not see a donation jug anywhere? Can
we make a contribution to the food fund? I asked several people and
nobody knew anything!
Had a great trip home to Colusa. Let me know whenever anyone wants to
get together, or fly somewhere together. I have foolishly planned a
target date of next Summer to fly my Sky Scout!
Thanks again for al the fun!
Ray Krause
Flying the Waiex and building the Sky Scout
----- Original Message -----
From: Darrel Jones
To: Michael Groah
Cc: '@z-mta04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ; "Bob
O'"@z-mta04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ;
Hara'(at)z-mta04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ; abohara(at)att.net ;
'@z-mta04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ; "Irwin
Fust'"(at)z-mta04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ; ifust(at)digitalpath.net ;
'@z-mta04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ; "Mike
Hardaway'"(at)z-mta04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ; papa.bike.mike(at)gmail.com
; Chris Tracy ; Chris Tracy ; D.K. Philbin ; Gary Boothe ; George Benson
; Jim Markle ; Jim Boyer ; Jim Boyer ; John Watson ; John Doig ; john
kerr ; Jorge Lizarriga ; Larry Jobe ; Manuel Sparks ; Mark Roberts ;
Michael Weaver ; Mike Bikle ; Mike Bikle ; Perry Shipman ; Piet List ;
Ray Krause ; Scott De Bel ; Scott Liefeld ; Walt Bowe
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering
On 5/27/2012 8:15 AM, Michael Groah wrote:
Ok, everyone... we're now less than a week away from our west coast
Pietenpol gathering.
It's June 2nd at Frazier lake..... See the attached flyer for
the rest of the info....
I'm looking forward to seeing you all there!
Mike Groah
I just wanted to thank Charlie and Cecilia Miller and their family for
hosting us at Frazier Lake this Saturday. It looks like Charlie burned
enough fuel hopping rides to make it a good way to Brodhead. I had been
meaning to get to Frazier Lake for about thirty years and am glad I
finally made the trip. It was great seeing the group and I want to thank
Mike Groah for sending the flier and reminders. I'm looking forward to
my next return visit. Now to get cracking on my Corvair engine so I can
fly down there in the Pfeifer.
Darrel Jones
Pfeifer Sport N154JP
Icing on the cake was seeing Charlie's beautiful Stinson. I knew he
was a great guy!
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | OK, gicving up ONE of my secrets. . . . . |
OK=2C as Brodhead is getting closer=2C and I am getting closer to finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Oops, I think |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
John,
For what it is worth, I have had a bugger of a time with the aileron front spar.
I cut it to fit, and it was a real tight interference fit. I had cuts on my
fingers for two weeks having slid it into place. That being said, the fit was
so "interference" and tight that there was not enough play to epoxy it into
place. I have decided to build my wing and aileron to completion. When ready,
I plan to cut the aileron out (leaving the hinge width relative to the middle
aileron spar), and then epoxy the leading aileron spar in place. I think you
mentioned that as one of the ideas you were considering. I guess, having considered
your problem (and in a way running into it myself), that is the way
I am going to tackle it. I hope my thinking is correct! My guess is you'll get
the problem solved.
By the way, I am a fan of your mykitplane site; it helps to follow as we are working
on the same parts. Will you be attending Brodhead?
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Oops, I think |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Thanks all as I have received some good ideas. I am still waiting on my spruce
order from acs so I have some time to think about it. Ill have it resolved by
the time I get to Brodhead!
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Oops, I think |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Im favoring the capstrip idea. I would just cut the spar a little short (that
would allow me to slide it in without cutting anything else) and then sliding
a piece of capstrip the full length. It would be glued and nailed in place.
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| Subject: | t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
For the ailerons is anyone using t-nuts over the standard anchor nuts? The biggest
difference I find is price. t-nuts .29 each vs. anchor nuts (with plastic
insert) 3.30 each. Perhaps I could go with anchor nuts (which my technical advisor
is telling me to do) without the plastic inserts. If so, do you use loctite
to hold the screws in?
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
I assume you mean to mount the hinges...if so, I used T nuts. I epoxied the nuts
into the wood and when I install the ailerons, I plan to put a dab of thread
lock on the screws or epoxy.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Yes, to mount the piano hinge. Thanks.
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
I used T-nuts and epoxied them in. Cheers, Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: John Francis <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Sent: Tue, June 5, 2012 11:55:13 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
For the ailerons is anyone using t-nuts over the standard anchor nuts? The
biggest difference I find is price. t-nuts .29 each vs. anchor nuts (with
plastic insert) 3.30 each. Perhaps I could go with anchor nuts (which my
technical advisor is telling me to do) without the plastic inserts. If so, do
you use loctite to hold the screws in?
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John Francis
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| Subject: | NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
The DAR came and certified my Pietenpol this morning. The weather is not cooperating.
The forecasts look like it will be Saturday at least before this windy
low passes out of here. Lots of covers to put on before then any way.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
| From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
I'm not at that point yet, so I couldn't say for for sure how I will do mine, BUT
if your technical advisor says to use anchor nuts or nut plates, then I would.
There is no way to saftey a tee nut, unless you used lock tight.
These nut plates are all metal and not too expensive:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/anchornuts4.php
and if you look at this doc:
http://www.coastfab.com/images/pdf/2010/nutplates_ms21059_ms21061.pdf
They self lock due to the fact that the hole is a little out of round.
If all else fails, this is actual AN hardware, not true value hardware.
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY |
Jerry, good luck on your first flight. You won't have any trouble as I have seen
your work. You might want to go up with your brother just to get the feel of
flying. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Sent: Tue, June 5, 2012 1:35:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY
The DAR came and certified my Pietenpol this morning. The weather is not
cooperating. The forecasts look like it will be Saturday at least before this
windy low passes out of here. Lots of covers to put on before then any way.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY |
Excellent news!
On 06/05/2012 12:31 PM, Jerry Dotson wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson"
>
> The DAR came and certified my Pietenpol this morning. The weather is not cooperating.
The forecasts look like it will be Saturday at least before this windy
low passes out of here. Lots of covers to put on before then any way.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
> 21" wheels
> Lycoming O-235 C2C
> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374770#374770
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Woo-hoo!!!
------Original Message------
From: Jerry Dotson
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY
Sent: Jun 5, 2012 10:31 AM
The DAR came and certified my Pietenpol this morning. The weather is not cooperating.
The forecasts look like it will be Saturday at least before this windy
low passes out of here. Lots of covers to put on before then any way.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY |
Great News, Jerry! Good luck with the first flight. Be prepared to have
the very best feeling you've ever had with your clothes on.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY
The DAR came and certified my Pietenpol this morning. The weather is not
cooperating. The forecasts look like it will be Saturday at least before
this windy low passes out of here. Lots of covers to put on before then any
way.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Formation Flying |
Not low and slow flying but still fun.
This is a video of BAE Hawks (Goshawks in USA) preparing and then flying
a formation of London for the Queens 60th Anniversary.
For any ex-Service Pilot they will know how much preparation was
required to get 27 aircraft into formation. 3 is enough!
http://vimeo.com/42489364
As an aside . YOu may notice instead of the Air Force spending tens of
thousands per aircraft for GPS System they use the Bendix SkyMap III at
$1000 a time. Off the shelf too.
Hope I havent offended anyone with a off Piet topic but the weather is
crass here in England!
Regards
Gerry
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | 1st flight--flaring high in a Pietenpol |
Congratulations Jerry!
One man's observation is that we sit LOW on the ground in a Pietenpol
and the sensation when getting close to the ground is that you're too low.
Don't let that fool you.
We are just not used to sitting that low in an airplane while trying to
touch down. Get a good 'sight image' of where the horizon
crosses thru your nose while you're doing your taxi testing and stamp
that in your memory. When you get into your first landing my advice would
be to carry a little power because these draggy things loose airspeed fast
and stalling in high bites:) An old instructor told me to keep my vision
2/3rds the way down the runway during landing. Boy does that ever help
with directional control.
Ah well, for all I know Jerry you've got 2,000 hours of tailwheel time. I think
I'm just giving myself a refresher since I only have a few landings this
year under my belt and not all were pretty!
Best wishes--you've come a long, long way. The next phase of your adventure
is soon to begin!
Mike C.
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
You could try crimping the T nut a little bit, to a slight oval shape to ma
ke it more like a lock-nut.- I have never tried it (just popped in my hea
d after replacing a couple nutplates at work today) but it might be worth e
xperimenting.- Otherwise just use some good locktight.
We have 304+hrs with T-nuts on the aileron hinges and no problems.
-
Shad
--- On Tue, 6/5/12, John Francis wrote:
From: John Francis <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 12:29 PM
Yes, to mount the piano hinge.- Thanks.
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| From: | "Ralph" <ralphhsd(at)itctel.com> |
The plans seem to show cable guides just outboard of the pulley going to
the stick and another in the area where the strut joins the spar. Are
just these two required or have people included more guides along the
distance?
Ralph in South Dakota
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| Subject: | Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Congratulations, Jerry.
Only 3 years, start to finish!
Quite an accomplishment.
Be patient with that first flight.
Hold off for decent weather. (Right, Douwe?)
Bill C.
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| From: | "Ray Krause" <Raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
What spacing did you use with the T nuts/screws on the ailerons? When
using the piano MS--- type hinges on an aluminum plane, we put one rivet
at each hinge extension (the attach point). I am using the 1" wide MS
--- aluminum piano hinges and have installed 8-24 screws and the self
locking nut plates at every 3rd hinge extension. This does not seem as
good as, or as stable, as having an anchor at each hinge extension.
Placing the nut plate/screws any closer together may create a "fault
line", or weak point, along the aileron beams (spars).
Also, the self locking (slightly ovaled) nut plates work very well with
bolts with hex heads. But TOO well with Phillip head screws. The nut
plates are so tight they cause the heads to strip out before the screw
can be secured. I have opened the nut plates with an 8-24 tap before
installation so the oval is not so severe. I will use loctite when I
make the final installation.
Suggestions would help.
Thanks in advance.....
Ray Krause
Building the Sky Scout.
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
You could try crimping the T nut a little bit, to a slight oval
shape to make it more like a lock-nut. I have never tried it (just
popped in my head after replacing a couple nutplates at work today) but
it might be worth experimenting. Otherwise just use some good
locktight.
We have 304+hrs with T-nuts on the aileron hinges and no
problems.
Shad
--- On Tue, 6/5/12, John Francis wrote:
From: John Francis <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 12:29 PM
Yes, to mount the piano hinge. Thanks.
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
Ray
Mine are on 7 to 8 inch centers. Not flight tested but I have tugged on the
aileron and have not noticed any problem. I was more worried about making a
weak spot along the aileron spar if I put them closer. If you look at mike
Cuy's aileron hinges his are spread apart too. Remember the flight speed
between the aluminum plane and the Pietenpol is way different. On a faster
plane I would want them closer.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
What spacing did you use with the T nuts/screws on the ailerons? When using
the piano MS--- type hinges on an aluminum plane, we put one rivet at each
hinge extension (the attach point). I am using the 1" wide MS --- aluminum
piano hinges and have installed 8-24 screws and the self locking nut plates
at every 3rd hinge extension. This does not seem as good as, or as stable,
as having an anchor at each hinge extension. Placing the nut plate/screws
any closer together may create a "fault line", or weak point, along the
aileron beams (spars).
Also, the self locking (slightly ovaled) nut plates work very well with
bolts with hex heads. But TOO well with Phillip head screws. The nut plates
are so tight they cause the heads to strip out before the screw can be
secured. I have opened the nut plates with an 8-24 tap before installation
so the oval is not so severe. I will use loctite when I make the final
installation.
Suggestions would help.
Thanks in advance.....
Ray Krause
Building the Sky Scout.
----- Original Message -----
From: shad <mailto:aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> bell
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
You could try crimping the T nut a little bit, to a slight oval shape to
make it more like a lock-nut. I have never tried it (just popped in my head
after replacing a couple nutplates at work today) but it might be worth
experimenting. Otherwise just use some good locktight.
We have 304+hrs with T-nuts on the aileron hinges and no problems.
Shad
--- On Tue, 6/5/12, John Francis wrote:
From: John Francis <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 12:29 PM
<http://us.mc1621.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Mrkringles@msn.com> >
Yes, to mount the piano hinge. Thanks.
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Ralph
Don't forget to add cable guards to the pulleys
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 7:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable guides
The plans seem to show cable guides just outboard of the pulley going to the
stick and another in the area where the strut joins the spar. Are just
these two required or have people included more guides along the distance?
Ralph in South Dakota
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
Mine are on 2" centers, and I also used # 8 MS24693 screws to attach into
nutplates. I did exactly the same as Ray - used a tap to partially open the
self-locking feature, otherwise the heads would strip before I got the
screws all the way in. No problems yet, with 260 hours and 7 years on them.
I do inspect the screws on each preflight inspection - easy to do, just lift
the aileron and look to see that all screws are flush. Takes about 2
seconds per side.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 5:04 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
Ray
Mine are on 7 to 8 inch centers. Not flight tested but I have tugged on the
aileron and have not noticed any problem. I was more worried about making a
weak spot along the aileron spar if I put them closer. If you look at mike
Cuy's aileron hinges his are spread apart too. Remember the flight speed
between the aluminum plane and the Pietenpol is way different. On a faster
plane I would want them closer.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
What spacing did you use with the T nuts/screws on the ailerons? When using
the piano MS--- type hinges on an aluminum plane, we put one rivet at each
hinge extension (the attach point). I am using the 1" wide MS --- aluminum
piano hinges and have installed 8-24 screws and the self locking nut plates
at every 3rd hinge extension. This does not seem as good as, or as stable,
as having an anchor at each hinge extension. Placing the nut plate/screws
any closer together may create a "fault line", or weak point, along the
aileron beams (spars).
Also, the self locking (slightly ovaled) nut plates work very well with
bolts with hex heads. But TOO well with Phillip head screws. The nut plates
are so tight they cause the heads to strip out before the screw can be
secured. I have opened the nut plates with an 8-24 tap before installation
so the oval is not so severe. I will use loctite when I make the final
installation.
Suggestions would help.
Thanks in advance.....
Ray Krause
Building the Sky Scout.
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell <mailto:aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
You could try crimping the T nut a little bit, to a slight oval shape to
make it more like a lock-nut. I have never tried it (just popped in my head
after replacing a couple nutplates at work today) but it might be worth
experimenting. Otherwise just use some good locktight.
We have 304+hrs with T-nuts on the aileron hinges and no problems.
Shad
--- On Tue, 6/5/12, John Francis wrote:
From: John Francis <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 12:29 PM
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Yes, to mount the piano hinge. Thanks.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Great words from Jack and Shad on their experiences flying an approach and landing
a Pietenpol. I too fly my final approach at 55 mph with a little power held in
to pretty close to the runway. Like jack said, unless you have the wheels within
12" of the runway there will probably be a thunk.
The plane three points wonderfully too and even in crosswinds I three point.
I've
never been able to master the wheel landing except in the Corby Starlet I owned
for a few years. The Piet is a surprisingly good crosswind airplane.
So glad you're getting a good feel for the ground handling Jerry. I did the same
thing and it paid off getting that view and training my feet. I like the fact
that you're patient for weather too--so many videos of 1st flights I see show
trees blowing around and wind noise in the microphone. I don't get that. It
takes
3, 6, 10, 20 years to build a plane but some have to fly it right away after it
gets
legal in lousy weather conditions. Glad I have a little chicken in me.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Another Pietenpol Certified |
| From: | woodflier(at)aol.com |
Congratulations, Jerry! Ain't that a terrific feeling. I had the same probl
em last year when
I got my airworthiness. It was pouring rain during the inspection and I cou
ldn't do the
first flight for several days. It was worth the wait. Can't wait to hear ho
w it goes.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
The DAR came and certified my Pietenpol this morning. The weather is not
cooperating.
The forecasts look like it will be Saturday at least before this windy
low passes out of here. Lots of covers to put on before then any way.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
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| Subject: | Re: Cable guides |
| From: | woodflier(at)aol.com |
My Technical Adviser said I needed cable guides on all pulleys where the ca
ble turned more
than a few degrees. I installed a bunch of them. The consequence of a jamme
d control cable is not one
I care to consider. I used pulleys for the bend the aileron cables make at
the back seat and they all got
cable guards there also.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd(at)itctel.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable guides
The plans seem to show cable guides just outboard of the pulley going to
the stick and another in the area where the strut joins the spar. Are
just these two required or have people included more guides along the
distance?
Ralph in South Dakota
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| Subject: | Re: Hegy prop; engine offset washers |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Thanks for the reply Oscar. That prop works very well with my C-85 on my Piet.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Hegy prop; engine offset washers |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Gary,
I am looking forward to next year. My wife had family show up from Florida so
I needed to stay behind this year. It looks like you had good weather which makes
me feel that much worse about not going.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Great stuff Jerry - Congrats.......!!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY |
Good to hear another builder has persevered and finished quite the long pro
ject!- I wish you the best on your first flight...I am sure it will be a
thrill!
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
| From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
> Actually, you can safety tee nuts. I epoxied mine in, but at the last minute
before covering I cut a bunch of strips of thinplywood say, 1/2" by 1" and drilled
a hole in the middle for the screw to protrude through. Then I glued and
nailed one across each tee nut. They won't push out now . . .
AH got it! 8)
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| Subject: | Re: Formation Flying |
| From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
that is way awesome!
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: cable guides |
Hey! This is an experimental airplane. You can build it any way you
want. C
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable guides
The plans seem to show cable guides just outboard of the pulley going
to the stick and another in the area where the strut joins the spar.
Are just these two required or have people included more guides along
the distance?
Ralph in South Dakota
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| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Perhaps a video on how to properly enter and exit a Pietenpol is in order here?
Just a thought...and a good one!
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John Francis
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| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Its beginning to look almost like an airplane. I started the initial
mating of the wings to the fuselage last evening. Cheers, Ken
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
Not a video but a step-by-step procedure is in the archives. Search "How to
be a Proper Pietenpol Passenger"
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: passengers
>
> Perhaps a video on how to properly enter and exit a Pietenpol is in order
> here? Just a thought...and a good one!
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing attachment |
Looks a lot like an airplane. Nice work area too!
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
| From: | "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> |
whats a good source for the t nuts. paul
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| From: | "Ray Krause" <Raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
Thanks to Chris and all the others who responded to my question.
It is hard to remember that the Sky Scout will not be the same as the
Waiex in speed and performance! My spacing measures about 3 inches, so
I should be OK. I have epoxied in the anchor nuts and will go back and
maybe apply the plywood covers to be sure. Sure don't want the nuts to
come loose in there!
I agree, it will be easy to check before each flight to see if the
ailerons are still attached well.
Thanks again for the speedy response.
Sure missed you at Fraiser Lake, Chris.
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:04 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
Ray
Mine are on 7 to 8 inch centers. Not flight tested but I have tugged
on the aileron and have not noticed any problem. I was more worried
about making a weak spot along the aileron spar if I put them closer. If
you look at mike Cuy's aileron hinges his are spread apart too. Remember
the flight speed between the aluminum plane and the Pietenpol is way
different. On a faster plane I would want them closer.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Krause
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:03 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
What spacing did you use with the T nuts/screws on the ailerons? When
using the piano MS--- type hinges on an aluminum plane, we put one rivet
at each hinge extension (the attach point). I am using the 1" wide MS
--- aluminum piano hinges and have installed 8-24 screws and the self
locking nut plates at every 3rd hinge extension. This does not seem as
good as, or as stable, as having an anchor at each hinge extension.
Placing the nut plate/screws any closer together may create a "fault
line", or weak point, along the aileron beams (spars).
Also, the self locking (slightly ovaled) nut plates work very well
with bolts with hex heads. But TOO well with Phillip head screws. The
nut plates are so tight they cause the heads to strip out before the
screw can be secured. I have opened the nut plates with an 8-24 tap
before installation so the oval is not so severe. I will use loctite
when I make the final installation.
Suggestions would help.
Thanks in advance.....
Ray Krause
Building the Sky Scout.
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
You could try crimping the T nut a little bit, to a slight
oval shape to make it more like a lock-nut. I have never tried it (just
popped in my head after replacing a couple nutplates at work today) but
it might be worth experimenting. Otherwise just use some good
locktight.
We have 304+hrs with T-nuts on the aileron hinges and no
problems.
Shad
--- On Tue, 6/5/12, John Francis wrote:
From: John Francis <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 12:29 PM
Yes, to mount the piano hinge. Thanks.
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
You know=2C even without any provisions to prevent loosening=2C the aileron
hinges have a screw every say 6"=2C so there are something like ten in eac
h aileron. The screws are about an inch and a quarter=2C or half. How in
the world could enough of the ten back out far enough to do any harm at all
without you noticing it? Carry a screwdriver=2C put a drop of glue of som
e kind=2C or even locktite on the screws=2C and don't worry about it. 8)
From: cncampbell(at)windstream.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
Date: Wed=2C 6 Jun 2012 14:39:14 -0400
Gene=2C I also used T-nuts. I had some #4X1/2-inch
sheet metal screws on hand so I drilled a small pilot hole beside each t-nu
t on
each side and ran a screw into each so that the heads of the screws overlap
ped
the flange of the T-nut. Those screws prevent the t-nut from coming out
when the #10 flat-head screw goes in. Just wonder if I should use Loc-tite
on the threads of the flat-head screws. I'm planning to do that -- just
looking for confirmation that it's necessary. Chuck
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Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Tuesday=2C June 05=2C 2012 4:15
PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts
vs anchor nuts
Actually=2C you can safety tee nuts. I epoxied mine in=2C but
at the last minute before covering I cut a bunch of strips of
thin plywood say=2C 1/2" by 1" and drilled a hole in the middle for the
screw to protrude through. Then I glued and nailed one across each tee
nut. They won't push out now . . .
Gene
do not
archive
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs
anchor nuts
> From: j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com
> Date: Tue=2C 5 Jun 2012
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
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>
>
> I'm not at that point yet=2C so I
couldn't say for for sure how I will do mine=2C BUT if your technical adv
isor
says to use anchor nuts or nut plates=2C then I would. There is no way to
saftey
a tee nut=2C unless you used lock tight.
> These nut plates are all metal
and not too expensive:
>
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/anchornuts4.php
> and if
you look at this doc:
>
http://www.coastfab.com/images/pdf/2010/nutplates_ms21059_ms21061.pdf
>
They self lock due to the fact that the hole is a little out of round.
>
> If all else fails=2C this is actual AN hardware=2C not true
value hardware.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing attachment |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Mike C -- good eyes. Yes, I'm planning on the Corvair. The bottom end is
at Roy's Garage in Michigan having a 5th bearing installed. Mike P --
thanks. Our hangar makes a nice shop. But usually there is a Piper Pacer
living in it, too. For the next couple weeks, it is having a stay-over at
a friend's hangar, giving me a chance to start the work on mating the
wings on the Pietenpol. Cheers, Ken
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jerry=3B
You will get varying advice=2C but for first flights mine is: lift it off a
t 50-55 or so. Climb out at 65 so the controls are responsive and you don'
t mush. Fly your pattern at 65. Hold final at 65 till you're on short fina
l=2C calm air=2C then let it bleed to 55 as you come over the threshold. I
f there is a cross-wind=2C you are on your own! Taildragger pilot=2C do wh
at you know how to do with these airplanes because this one is a stick and
rudder airplane and it likes to come down when the power comes off.
Over the numbers=2C if you have the nerve to look at the airspeed indicator
=2C let 55 bleed on down to 45 when the lift will be all gone and you'd bet
ter be able to reach out from the cockpit and touch the numbers painted on
the runway because... any slower than that... you'll be squeaking the tires
on the ground. And if you don't=2C get ready for a bounce!
The ASI is all but useless beginning from when you're over the numbers=2C s
o don't bother looking at it. You fly this airplane by feel and by sound an
d by peripheral vision when you're down by the numbers. This airplane is a
lways instructing and it doesn't care about you as a pilot at all. It's go
ing to fly like a stick and rudder airplane no matter what you do! If you'
re a good taildragger pilot=2C you and the Piet will quickly be great frien
ds. If you're not a good taildragger pilot=2C you'll soon learn and THEN y
ou'll be great friends! This airplane is so much fun to fly.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford=2C OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
| From: | John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com> |
ebay right now--#8-32,$10.00/100,free ship. John
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 8:10 PM, nightmare wrote:
> pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
>
> whats a good source for the t nuts. paul
>
>
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>
>
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| Subject: | Re: flight advice |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Thanks Oscar. I will respect her. Way back when I flew the Stearman so much I hardly
ever looked at the airspeed. I could tell from the song of the wires how
it was doing. I sure appreciate the advice.
When are you going to get Scout home?
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets |
Is that a good-looking Pietenpol of Jerry's or what? That's going to get
up and climb with that big engine.
One thing that crossed my mind due to recent experience is adjusting tire p
ressure to get grandma's feather
bed just right. Or is that Goldilocks? Never no mind, but a few pounds
too much tire pressure in our motorcycle
tires can make the plane bounce pretty good on landing-especially if your b
ungees don't have much give.
I like to keep my bungee cords pretty tight so I have aileron authority in
crosswinds. If the bungees are too loose
you can actually have a strong crosswind get under one wing instead of bein
g able to dig into it. Enough about that.
I've found that 18 to 20 psi in the motorcycle wheels works well on pavemen
t. Your mileage may vary.
The plus side to higher tire pressures is that your takeoff roll will be fa
ster. You play with the pressures and find out
what works best for your suspension and runway environment. This all mak
es me want to go fly. Think I'll burn
some hydrocarbons soon.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
I was wondering about that just the other day as i rolled the piet around the hangar...i
would think a little resistance from the lower pressure would be good
on asphalt...
thanks Mike
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Wing attachment |
| From: | "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
Looks great Ken! Can't wait to see it!
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | taxi testing in Florida and FAA's 1st Flight Test Guide--really |
good
Good report Jerry! I see scattered thunderstorms hit or miss across Flor
ida on
the radar. Good to hear you've got some decent weather to taxi test in. T
he day
is still young:)
Mike C.
By the way, for all who are getting close to flight testing or might be
in the next year or so this is an outstanding guide by the FAA.
Just paging thru this document I found a section that describes
in detail how to determine the unusable fuel for you fuel system and engine
combination. There is a great section on weight and balance calculations
too.
http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/media/ac90-89a.pdf
Fuel Flow and Unusable Fuel Check: This
is a field test to ensure the aircraft engine will get
enough fuel to run properly, even if the aircraft is
in a steep climb or stall attitude.
(1) First, place the aircraft's nose at an
angle 5 degrees above the highest anticipated climb
angle. The easiest and safest way to do this with
a conventional gear aircraft is to dig a hole and place
the aircraft's tail in it. For a nose gear aircraft, build
a ramp to raise the nose gear to the proper angle.
(2) Make sure the aircraft is tied-down and
chocked. With minimum fuel in the tanks, disconnect
the fuel line to carburetor. The fuel flow with a gravity
flow system should be 150 percent of the fuel
consumption of the engine at full throttle. With a
fuel system that is pressurized, the fuel flow should
be at least 125 percent. When the fuel stops flowing,
the remaining fuel is the ''unusable fuel'' quantity.
(3) Since the fuel consumption of most
modern engines is approximately .55 pounds per
brake horsepower per hour for a 100 horsepower
engine, the test fuel flow should be 82.5 pounds (13.7
gallons) per hour for gravity feed, or 68.75 pounds
(11.5 gallons) per hour for a pressurized system. The
pounds per hour divided by 60 equals 1.4 pounds
and 1.15 pounds per minute fuel rate respectively.
NOTE: Formula for fuel flow rate gravity
feed is .55 x engine horsepower x 1.50
pounds of fuel per hour divided by 60 to
get pounds per minute, divided by 6 to get
gallons per minute. For a pressurized system,
substitute 1.25 for 1.50 to.......
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| Subject: | Re: tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Jerry - My landing gear is configured differently and my plane's a little lighter,
but I've used 35 psi to good effect.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I don't know about y'all, but my Piet reeeeeally likes to roll on those big
wheeels. Its hard to hold her back even in the grass at idle. I recently s
witched brake lining material (Piet-ish band brakes) and the new stuff work
s great and really bites in, so much so that I can hold it back on run-up.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC]
Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:11 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets
Is that a good-looking Pietenpol of Jerry=99s or what? That
=99s going to get up and climb with that big engine.
One thing that crossed my mind due to recent experience is adjusting tire p
ressure to get grandma=99s feather
bed just right. Or is that Goldilocks? Never no mind, but a few pounds
too much tire pressure in our motorcycle
tires can make the plane bounce pretty good on landing=94especially i
f your bungees don=99t have much give.
I like to keep my bungee cords pretty tight so I have aileron authority in
crosswinds. If the bungees are too loose
you can actually have a strong crosswind get under one wing instead of bein
g able to dig into it. Enough about that.
I=99ve found that 18 to 20 psi in the motorcycle wheels works well on
pavement. Your mileage may vary.
The plus side to higher tire pressures is that your takeoff roll will be fa
ster. You play with the pressures and find out
what works best for your suspension and runway environment. This all mak
es me want to go fly. Think I=99ll burn
some hydrocarbons soon.
Mike C.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets |
Yeah, mine likes to roll, too. My brakes (Cleveland hydraulic disc brakes)
will barely hold it for a runup and cannot hold it at full throttle.
Airplanes quit using big wheels about the time they started putting brakes
on them.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets
I don't know about y'all, but my Piet reeeeeally likes to roll on those big
wheeels. Its hard to hold her back even in the grass at idle. I recently
switched brake lining material (Piet-ish band brakes) and the new stuff
works great and really bites in, so much so that I can hold it back on
run-up.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC]
Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:11 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets
Is that a good-looking Pietenpol of Jerry's or what? That's going to get
up and climb with that big engine.
One thing that crossed my mind due to recent experience is adjusting tire
pressure to get grandma's feather
bed just right. Or is that Goldilocks? Never no mind, but a few pounds
too much tire pressure in our motorcycle
tires can make the plane bounce pretty good on landing-especially if your
bungees don't have much give.
I like to keep my bungee cords pretty tight so I have aileron authority in
crosswinds. If the bungees are too loose
you can actually have a strong crosswind get under one wing instead of being
able to dig into it. Enough about that.
I've found that 18 to 20 psi in the motorcycle wheels works well on
pavement. Your mileage may vary.
The plus side to higher tire pressures is that your takeoff roll will be
faster. You play with the pressures and find out
what works best for your suspension and runway environment. This all
makes me want to go fly. Think I'll burn
some hydrocarbons soon.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: taxi testing in Florida and FAA's 1st Flight Test |
Guide--rea
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
I have that publication. It is good stuff. Thanks. I have been reading it for a
month now. I took the gas line off the carb and let it flow into a gallon milk
jug. It took 75 seconds to fill so that figures 48 gallons an hour. It is raining
kittens and puppies right now but will taxi more tomorrow. I am going to
tie her down and run the engine at full power for 1 minute just to build my
confidence in it some more. You see I know the mechanic that overhauled it and
he looked a lot like me.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... |
| From: | Dale Mccleskey <dale.mccleskey(at)lifeway.com> |
Well guys, I put N7035N down on a farm turn row in OK last saturday. Hung a
wing on the corn and did the slickest "hide the airplane in the corn" trick
you ever saw. Pictures attached. I've always told my wife that if I ever
had to set the piet down in an emergency that I might bend the plane but
wouldn't bend me. Proved the plane is a very tough little critter. Only
broke the tailwheel and tailpost. It never did back up well and I guess
backing into a muddy corn field is even worse.
Funny part is as much as I've enjoyed the plane, I haven't flown it enough
to justify the costs of housing and insuring it. June 2 was our 40th
wedding anniversary, so my gift to my wife was getting rid of the plane. I
determined to sell it when I got back from flight to Texas and back from
Tennessee. On leg out of Davis Field, Muskogee, OK (MKO) I was climbing out
and lost power. Just like I'd pulled the throttle. The FAA folks at the
FSDO have convinced me it was carb ice. I've always pulled carb heat
landing, but never on takeoff. Conditions were just perfect for ice. Super
high humidity with unseasonable cold after thundershowers. I had to wait on
the ramp for traffic to clear so had been running it a bit. Anyway, that's
my story and I'm sticking to it.
If anybody wants to shortcut building a GN1 variant of the Pietenpol, do I
have a deal for you. I just didn't want to sell the plane and look over my
shoulder with liability issues for the next 20 years. So I'm decertifying
it and selling it for parts. Catch is it's a complete plane with A65, wings
completely unharmed. Only damage to the fuse is the the tailwheel/tailpost,
and a bent carb heat box. No prop strike and I have a brand new Cloudcars
prop, only flown to Texas and part way back. I took the prop off to hang on
the wall but could be talked out of it. Can't imagine anything better than
building and flying the Aircamper, and you guys (including of the female
type category) are great. I'm gonna keep a toe in the Piet community.
Thanks guys. Give me a scream if your interested in the plane 615-754-9159
Dale McCleskey
--
Dale McCleskey, Editor
Adult Ministry Publishing MS# 152
LifeWay Christian Resources
One LifeWay Plaza
Nashville, Tennessee 37234
(615)251-3670
We will serve churches in their mission of making disciples.
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: flight advice |
Jerry, with your experience you won't have any trouble. Just fly it like you
flew your crop dusters. My first flight I didn't even have an airspeed
indicator. Believe it or not I had my AS hooked up to the wrong port I can't
believe admitted that. By the way, what id your empty weight come out to be?
Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Sent: Thu, June 7, 2012 8:24:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flight advice
Thanks Oscar. I will respect her. Way back when I flew the Stearman so much I
hardly ever looked at the airspeed. I could tell from the song of the wires how
it was doing. I sure appreciate the advice.
When are you going to get Scout home?
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... |
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| From: | "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> |
purchasing the four set of bingelis books. was wondering if i should also purchase
the " wood building techniques", or do the bingelis books cover what i need
to know? thanks; paul
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Buy it.....good info.
Brian
SLC-ut
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
nightmare
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: books to buy
-->
purchasing the four set of bingelis books. was wondering if i should
also purchase the " wood building techniques", or do the bingelis books
cover what i need to know? thanks; paul
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
The EAA wood book is worth havng, as is their aircraft welding book. Among
other things, their welding book tells how to flatten the ends of tubing and
there are several places on a Pietenpol where this technique is required.
With those 6 books, virtually everything you need to know to build a
Pietenpol is covered.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 12:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: books to buy
purchasing the four set of bingelis books. was wondering if i should also
purchase the " wood building techniques", or do the bingelis books cover
what i need to know? thanks; paul
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... |
Glad to hear you=92re safe, Dale. Planes can be rebuilt ' people
can=92t. I=92ll
bet it was carb ice ' I=92ve had similar experiences with a 65
Continental on
my J-3 Cub years ago. It seems just about the worst set of conditions
are
high humidity and about 50=B0. I taxied a long way in such conditions
once
and the engine just quit as I started to do my runup. After a couple of
minutes it ran fine again.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale
Mccleskey
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 6:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field...
Well guys, I put N7035N down on a farm turn row in OK last saturday.
Hung a
wing on the corn and did the slickest "hide the airplane in the corn"
trick
you ever saw. Pictures attached. I've always told my wife that if I ever
had
to set the piet down in an emergency that I might bend the plane but
wouldn't bend me. Proved the plane is a very tough little critter. Only
broke the tailwheel and tailpost. It never did back up well and I guess
backing into a muddy corn field is even worse.
Funny part is as much as I've enjoyed the plane, I haven't flown it
enough
to justify the costs of housing and insuring it. June 2 was our 40th
wedding
anniversary, so my gift to my wife was getting rid of the plane. I
determined to sell it when I got back from flight to Texas and back from
Tennessee. On leg out of Davis Field, Muskogee, OK (MKO) I was climbing
out
and lost power. Just like I'd pulled the throttle. The FAA folks at the
FSDO
have convinced me it was carb ice. I've always pulled carb heat landing,
but
never on takeoff. Conditions were just perfect for ice. Super high
humidity
with unseasonable cold after thundershowers. I had to wait on the ramp
for
traffic to clear so had been running it a bit. Anyway, that's my story
and
I'm sticking to it.
If anybody wants to shortcut building a GN1 variant of the Pietenpol, do
I
have a deal for you. I just didn't want to sell the plane and look over
my
shoulder with liability issues for the next 20 years. So I'm
decertifying it
and selling it for parts. Catch is it's a complete plane with A65, wings
completely unharmed. Only damage to the fuse is the the
tailwheel/tailpost,
and a bent carb heat box. No prop strike and I have a brand new
Cloudcars
prop, only flown to Texas and part way back. I took the prop off to hang
on
the wall but could be talked out of it. Can't imagine anything better
than
building and flying the Aircamper, and you guys (including of the female
type category) are great. I'm gonna keep a toe in the Piet community.
Thanks
guys. Give me a scream if your interested in the plane 615-754-9159
Dale McCleskey
--
Dale McCleskey, Editor
Adult Ministry Publishing MS# 152
LifeWay Christian Resources
One LifeWay Plaza
Nashville, Tennessee 37234
(615)251-3670
We will serve churches in their mission of making disciples.
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Here is a link to an Air Accident Investigation Branch Report on an engine failure
I had just after take off in February this year here in UK
I too thought that descent was the real 'catch me' for Carb icing. It isn't as
you can read.
My engine is a standard Continental A75 in a Corben Junior.
Regards
Gerry
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/bulletins/may_2012/corben_junior_ace_model_e__g_bsdi.cfm
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... |
Glad to hear that ultimately, it worked out.- I am curious, how far into
the corn field did the truck need to drive in to get to the plane? Was the
owner of the field upset?
The reason I ask is because I have thought about those kinds of situations
and wondered how the owners of the fields act... with or without a shotgun
in hand...
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
=0A
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
I had a Cessna 120 for about ten years.. the manual actually had you turn the carb
heat on before takeoff and off as you got to full power on the roll.
it had a c90 and it was an ice maker... twice i thought i was going to land prematurely
... once over a plowed field near toledo and another time i was 7000
feet above an airport in indiana.. no fear on that one.
both times with heat and sinking to warmer air things cleared up...
it happens fast when conditions are right
i hope the full time heat on my A works !
jeff
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Willy Nilly about carb heat |
So glad you're okay Dale. Congratulations on a fantastic job of 'planting'
(forgive that one, please..)
your plane on that narrow dirt corn path. Wow...that's tight but you did g
reat.
I used my carb heat cable (okay abused!) control so much in the first 6 yea
rs of flying that it broke one fine day
so I replaced it. (there was a bind somewhere that I worked out and it was
n't lubed fully)
Being the willy nilly flyer that I am I always leave my carb heat on after
I check in on runup before takeoff. Most times
I'll actually start the takeoff roll with carb heat on and within the first
100 feet I make it cold. Just a precaution almost no
matter what the weather conditions are.
In other news I wonder if anyone has ever put a full-open spring on their t
hrottle arms in case their throttle linkage would
ever fail? I did this on the Corby Starlet I owned because I didn't like
the ball and socket setup that was required with
the linkage geometry. The airflow in the cowling would have pushed the t
hrottle arm to idle should that link have ever busted.
Just some thoughts.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: books to buy |
| From: | "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> |
thanks Jack. Paul
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Anyone in the Omaha area??? |
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| Subject: | STATIC THRUST TESTS |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
We ran some static thrust tests on my Piet this evening. Now realize these results
are not official as I did not have the OFFICIAL FISH SCALE so we borrowed
one. I did a 1 minute 20 second run at full power(2300 RPM). It stayed over 380#
all the time. 404 was seen several times but 380's most of the time. After
that run let it idle a bit to cool down then checked the thrust at 2000 RPM just
for the curiosity in me. It read 310# to 320#. That was surprising. I figured
it would be 200-250.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: STATIC THRUST TESTS |
Jerry
That's good news as being better than your expectations, I am liking the
0235 even more.
Good luck tomorrow, we want all the details even though we can be there,
were are with you. Please be sure to get video.
Great flight, safe trip
John
don't care you
decide to archive or not
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
we are planning on a Thursday arrival
John Recine
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| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
I'm coming!
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John Francis
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| From: | JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Paasin through to Brodhead |
I will be off work that Thursday and available by cell phone, 630.306.9982. I live
in Morris, IL which is just west of Joliet and just north of Dwight. If any
of you are coming from the east or south and you encounter problems or you just
want to take a break, give me a call.
I will be driving up on Friday morning so worst case scenario you could ride with
me. Need to leave Saturday night for home.
We have an apartment over the garage if you get pinned down in the area either
going or coming.
Joe
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| Subject: | Original black and yellow |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Here is Jimmy's plane. One of the most beautiful Piets out there in my opin
ion.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Got some work done in the ward today |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Got the fuse out of the jig and outside for some sanding!
2 Years as of Friday-
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: STATIC THRUST TESTS |
Jerry
Great numbers! The best I've got so far with my Corvair is 280 lbs at 2500 RPM
(WOT) 66x35. Maybe there's something to those certified engines!
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 8:52:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: STATIC THRUST TESTS
We ran some static thrust tests on my Piet this evening. Now realize these results
are not official as I did not have the OFFICIAL FISH SCALE so we borrowed
one. I did a 1 minute 20 second run at full power(2300 RPM). It stayed over 380#
all the time. 404 was seen several times but 380's most of the time. After
that run let it idle a bit to cool down then checked the thrust at 2000 RPM just
for the curiosity in me. It read 310# to 320#. That was surprising. I figured
it would be 200-250.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: STATIC THRUST TESTS |
Jerry, with that much thrust you will be able to get a takeoff roll of about 25
ft. Gardiner. Also what is the plane your brother has?
--- On Fri, 6/8/12, Jerry Dotson wrote:
> From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: STATIC THRUST TESTS
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Friday, June 8, 2012, 8:52 PM
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> by: "Jerry Dotson"
>
> We ran some static thrust tests on my Piet this evening. Now
> realize these results are not official as I did not have the
> OFFICIAL FISH SCALE so we borrowed one. I did a 1 minute 20
> second run at full power(2300 RPM). It stayed over 380# all
> the time. 404 was seen several times but 380's most of the
> time. After that run let it idle a bit to cool down then
> checked the thrust at 2000 RPM just for the curiosity in me.
> It read 310# to 320#. That was surprising. I figured it
> would be 200-250.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
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> Lycoming O-235 C2C
> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | STATIC THRUST TESTS |
Malcom,
He=99s got more hp, too! I haven=99t flown mine, yet, but I
did look at the props on all the Corvair Piets in 2009 at Brodhead. As I
recall, none were over 64=9D. You=99d gain some more rpm by
cutting off a couple inches.just sayin=99
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: STATIC THRUST TESTS
Jerry
Great numbers! The best I've got so far with my Corvair is 280 lbs at
2500 RPM (WOT) 66x35. Maybe there's something to those certified
engines!
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm
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From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 8:52:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: STATIC THRUST TESTS
We ran some static thrust tests on my Piet this evening. Now realize
these results are not official as I did not have the OFFICIAL FISH SCALE
so we borrowed one. I did a 1 minute 20 second run at full power(2300
RPM). It stayed over 380# all the time. 404 was seen several times but
380's most of the time. After that run let it idle a bit to cool down
then checked the thrust at 2000 RPM just for the curiosity in me. It
read 310# to 320#. That was surprising. I figured it would be 200-250.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
First: Dale=2C sorry to hear about the corn field=2C but glad that the airp
lane won and you walked away. Like I said before=2C these old airplanes ju
st seem to change hands and live on forever=2C and I hope that yours does
=2C too.
On the tire pressure issue=2C the best advice I ever got was from Mike Cuy-
inflate the tires until the tire tread is just visible above the hangar fl
oor when you're looking at the tire from the side. Scout has 6.00x6s on Cl
eveland wheels and brakes (from a Cessna) and it operates just right with t
hat tire pressure. I've measured it a time or two but after getting Mikee'
s advice I don't bother with the gauge. It is WAY less than the 32-35 psi
that others have stated. I can fly it with that much pressure but it seems
to behave like it's had too much coffee... bouncy=2C jittery. Anyway=2C S
cout weighs something like 640 empty=2C so it's a light airplane.
Last bit: Jerry=2C after you're done testing the fuel flow with that gallon
jug=2C save it for Corky. He's saving them up to add buoyancy in the fuse
lage for that loooonnnnggg overwater flight from Louisiana to Belize.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford/Ashland=2C OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Got some work done in the yard today |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Earl,
Looks real nice. I hope to start and complete my fuse over the winter months.
Do you have your wings finished?
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John Francis
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375152#375152
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| Subject: | Re: Got some work done in the yard today |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Not yet- ribs are all done- tail woodwork
is done so wings are next on the list!
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375153#375153
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| From: | "Bob edson" <robertse(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | NX53WE in the air |
NX53WE left the ground about 8:00 pm saturday evening and flew about 15
min. with no surprises. Twenty two months and about 2500 hours and it
was all worth it. It flew at 30 mph to 90 mph very stable, Very
exciting! Now to fly off the 25 hours. Bob
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FYI.
Pietenpol on eBay from UK.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pietenpole-Air-camper-Complete-airframe-wings-tail-feathers-landing-gear-eng-/251081803377?pt=UK_CPV_Aviation_SM&hash=item3a75a44671#ht_500wt_1348
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | NX53WE in the air |
Outstanding, Bob! Great feeling, isn't it?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob edson
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 10:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE in the air
NX53WE left the ground about 8:00 pm saturday evening and flew about 15 min.
with no surprises. Twenty two months and about 2500 hours and it was all
worth it. It flew at 30 mph to 90 mph very stable, Very exciting! Now to fly
off the 25 hours. Bob
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| From: | "woodflier(at)aol.com" <woodflier(at)aol.com> |
I' m leaving Wed. and plan on getting to Brodhead by Thurs. Will fly with
Rambo if he's ready, and Jack Phillips if he flies his Piet. Probably can' t
convince him to fly the RV at 72 mph.
Matt Paxton
Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
I just received news that Roman passed away Thursday from cancer. He was
a good addition to the Pietenpol community.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
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| Subject: | Re: NX53WE in the air |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Very Nice-Congratulations!!
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| From: | Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Roman Bukolt |
My condolences to his friends and family. Roman was a nice guy, in met him
at Broadhead in 2007 -when he sold me a set of ribs. I later sold them to
another builder in-Australia but always-wished I had kept them because
the workmanship was fantastic.=0A=0ARyan Michals=0A=0A=0A_________________
_______________=0A From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>=0ATo: pie
tenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:04 AM=0ASubject
: Pietenpol-List: Roman Bukolt=0A =0A=0AI just received news that Roman pas
sed away Thursday from cancer. He was a good addition to the Pietenpol comm
unity.=0A=0A-john-=0A=0A=0AJohn Hofmann=0AVice-President, Information Techn
ology=0AThe Rees Group, Inc.=0A2424 American Lane=0AMadison, WI 53704=0APho
ne: 608.443.2468 ext 150=0AFax: 608.443.2474=0AEmail:-jhofmann@reesgroupi
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
So sorry to hear that. Roman and I had two connections. Not only did we
both own Pietenpols, but we were both building RV-10's. I'll miss him.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Roman Bukolt
I just received news that Roman passed away Thursday from cancer. He was a
good addition to the Pietenpol community.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
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| Subject: | Re: NX53WE in the air |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Congrats, Bob! It's always inspiring to see yet another one take to the air.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375214#375214
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| Subject: | Re: Roman Bukolt |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Wow, so sad to hear that Roman went west. Condolences to his family and friends.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375215#375215
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| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
I'll be there, but driving in from Baton Rouge, LA. Might get there Thursday night,
but will definitely be there for Friday morning's Bratfest II. Jack T,
is there anything that any one of us can bring to help out?
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Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375216#375216
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| From: | "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Billy thanks we have it covered. Just bring a chair and you choice of beverage.
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 10, 2012, at 1:51 PM, "Billy McCaskill" wrote:
>
> I'll be there, but driving in from Baton Rouge, LA. Might get there Thursday
night, but will definitely be there for Friday morning's Bratfest II. Jack T,
is there anything that any one of us can bring to help out?
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> Billy McCaskill
> Baker, LA
> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: NX53WE in the air |
| From: | "moondogman" <jbciii5656(at)yahoo.com> |
Fantastic Bob!!!!....And you have a really nice looking aeroplane!!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375220#375220
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| From: | aircamperace(at)yahoo.com |
Can anyone please share with me what size hardware they used on the forward rudder
pedal brackets and control stick bearing mounts? I've searched the archives
and looked over the drawings with no luck. AN3s seem way too thick for the copilots
rudder pedals considering they are only going thru plywood.
Thanks,
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 10, 2012, at 3:53 PM, "moondogman" wrote:
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
AN3's, but with AN970 washers (large).
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
aircamperace(at)yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 4:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hardware Size
Can anyone please share with me what size hardware they used on the forward
rudder pedal brackets and control stick bearing mounts? I've searched the
archives and looked over the drawings with no luck. AN3s seem way too thick
for the copilots rudder pedals considering they are only going thru plywood.
Thanks,
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 10, 2012, at 3:53 PM, "moondogman" wrote:
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Roman Bukolt |
Hi John,
Thanks for the note about Roman . I met him a couple of years ago at Brodhead;
he was a good guy and very nice to talk to.
Jim B.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Marci and I plan to be there Thursday!
And remember all, They don't like campers and generators on the far side of
the runway, only tent camping.
Douwe
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Who's planes are attending Brodhead? |
I'm wondering who IS flying their Piets to Brodhead this year?
Sounds like Jack P, Don Emch and Greg C probably won't for various reasons,
so there's three regulars gone.
Who else is coming up? Sounding a bit skimpy.
Douwe
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NX53WE in the air |
Way to go Bob, you have a beautiful Piet. Have fun and enjoy the 25 hour fly off.
Jim B.
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Who's planes are attending Brodhead? |
I am still hoping to be in attendance but that could change. NX18235
will be there for sure but it may have a back-up pilot at the controls.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Who's planes are attending Brodhead?
I'm wondering who IS flying their Piets to Brodhead this year?
Sounds like Jack P, Don Emch and Greg C probably won't for various
reasons, so there's three regulars gone.
Who else is coming up? Sounding a bit skimpy.
Douwe
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Who's planes are attending Brodhead? |
502R will be there for a couple of days.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 10, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> I=92m wondering who IS flying their Piets to Brodhead this year?
>
> Sounds like Jack P, Don Emch and Greg C probably won=92t for various
reasons, so there=92s three regulars gone.
>
> Who else is coming up? Sounding a bit skimpy=85
>
> Douwe
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Roman Bukolt |
Roman was a character. I found out his wife passed away just a month
before he did. I think cancer is not the only ailment that took him in
the end.
I don't know if many remember Ryder Olson but he used to hang out on
this list and Brodhead for a few years. I received word from his family
via a MAAC mailing that he passed a few months ago as well. Not a good
day and sorry to be the bearer of the news.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 10, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
> Hi John,
> Thanks for the note about Roman. I met him a couple of years ago at
Brodhead; he was a good guy and very nice to talk to.
> Jim B.
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| From: | Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com> |
Roman was the first Pietenpol builder with whom I emailed back and forth
offsite, and the first I talked with on the phone. He was very helpful in
all respects. We met at Brodhead in 2006 and 2008 and he was even more
congenial and informative in person. The Pietenpol community will miss
him.
Here is a Roman story you may not know. My friend Tom visited Roman at his
home while Roman's Piet build was in early stages. Roman told Tom that he
had looked at over twenty houses before buying that one; in each case the
first criterion was seeing if a basement window was large enough to pass a
finished Piet fuselage. (No, I don't know if his spec. included the
turtledeck.)
Condolences to his friends and family.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
I used AN3's, with AN 970 washers under the nuts.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
aircamperace(at)yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 7:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hardware Size
Can anyone please share with me what size hardware they used on the forward
rudder pedal brackets and control stick bearing mounts? I've searched the
archives and looked over the drawings with no luck. AN3s seem way too thick
for the copilots rudder pedals considering they are only going thru plywood.
Thanks,
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 10, 2012, at 3:53 PM, "moondogman" wrote:
>
> Fantastic Bob!!!!....And you have a really nice looking aeroplane!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Who's planes are attending Brodhead? |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
NX929DH will be there God willing, probably Thursday sometime.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Who's planes are attending Brodhead? |
| From: | Robert Bush <rbush96589(at)aol.com> |
NX294RB will be there Thursday afternoon I hope
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2012, at 6:27 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> NX929DH will be there God willing, probably Thursday sometime.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Who's planes are attending Brodhead? |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
NX899DE hasn't been much of a regular the past couple of years... and this year
my youngest daughter is in a wedding on that Saturday. Of all the 52 Saturdays
it had to be that one.....!! This would have been my 20th consecutive Brodhead
attendance! Oh well... it'll be worth missing I'm sure. I will be barnstorming
the Piet around Ohio and Indiana the week of Brodhead though. Right up
until Thursday or Friday... just can't head up that way. Next year.....
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Who's planes are attending Brodhead? |
I will not be able to make it this year. I have one wing to cover and two w
ings to rib stitch. Then I have to put everything together and see if it st
ill flies.
Cheers, Gardiner.
--- On Sun, 6/10/12, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Who's planes are attending Brodhead?
Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 9:51 PM
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI=99m wondering who IS
flying their Piets to Brodhead=0Athis year? =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0ASounds lik
e Jack P, Don Emch and Greg C probably won=99t=0Afor various reasons,
so there=99s three regulars gone. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AWho else is co
ming up?=C2- Sounding a bit skimpy =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0ADouwe =0A
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NX53WE in the air |
That is good news Bob!- Fast build time, great speed range and it flies..
.mission accomplished.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Who's planes are attending Brodhead? |
Of course, N8031 will be there.
Dan
On 06/10/2012 08:51 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> Im wondering who IS flying their Piets to Brodhead this year?
>
> Sounds like Jack P, Don Emch and Greg C probably wont for various
> reasons, so theres three regulars gone.
>
> Who else is coming up? Sounding a bit skimpy
>
> Douwe
>
> *
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--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | did Jerry fly yet? |
I seem to have missed one day of the list. Did Jerry fly yet??
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Piets flying to Brodhead |
| From: | woodflier(at)aol.com |
Douwe, I'm planning on flying my Piet to Brodhead. Weather permitting, I ho
pe to be there by Thurday
afternoon.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Who's planes are attending Brodhead?
I'm wondering who IS flying their Piets to Brodhead this year?
Sounds like Jack P, Don Emch and Greg C probably won't for various reasons,
so there's three regulars gone.
Who else is coming up? Sounding a bit skimpy.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | My first Pietenpol flight |
| From: | "scudrun" <jstreet(at)uwaterloo.ca> |
I flew C-GFQY for the first time last evening. After attending to a few details
since I bought her in the spring she was ready to go this weekend. Then it
was windy and then it rained, but Sunday about supper time, it promised to be
good so I drove out to the field. On top of the elevator in town the national
flag was fluttering with about 1/2 enthusiasm from the southwest. I wanted the
use the NW-SE runway though for the first flight, since the N-S one has houses
at the south end and tall trees and there is a forest at the north end but
the other runway has large fields off each end. We decided to sit and wait for
the evening lull. During some conversation about my nerves and other things
I noticed the flag hanging limp. It was now or never. But on starting the engine
I got no oil pressure. Uh oh, was this a sign? My nerves were acting up
again. Jim Armstrong came out and offered some advice on getting the pump primed
by adding an extra quart of oil and raising the tail while turning the prop.
This trick worked like a charm. Drained the excess oil and off I went.
I climbed to about 1000 feet and flew around for about half an hour over large
expanses of farm land with young crops gradually relaxing and getting the feel
of the piet. Then while heading west looking at the sparkle of the lowering
sun on Lake Huron I became aware of a significant drift to the North in my track.
I turned back to the the field and sure enough the flag was standing out
indicating the onshore breeze from the SW had kicked up again. Hmmm. What to
do? I decided to do a dry run on the approach so I could see how things might
go with a light 90 deg cross on my preferred runway hoping that it was calm close
to ground level. With a wing low I had no trouble tracking straight down
the runway and sure enough the wind seemed to die off at tree top height and
I could have continued on and landed but I don't like to deviate from a plan so
I went around and did it again. I carried a little power till just over the
threshold!
and had
a nice smooth landing and roll out. What a charming airplane was the first reaction
I had to the question How was it? from the folks gathered at the hangar.
And that is just how I felt when I flew her looking over the nose past those
eyebrows on the horizon. Charmed. It's just like stepping back in time to
an earlier era of aviation to fly one of these isn't it? I look forward to many
more.
Joe
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375299#375299
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | My first Pietenpol flight |
Fantastic, Joe!
Will you bring it to Brodhead next month?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of scudrun
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 12:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My first Pietenpol flight
I flew C-GFQY for the first time last evening. After attending to a few
details since I bought her in the spring she was ready to go this weekend.
Then it was windy and then it rained, but Sunday about supper time, it
promised to be good so I drove out to the field. On top of the elevator in
town the national flag was fluttering with about 1/2 enthusiasm from the
southwest. I wanted the use the NW-SE runway though for the first flight,
since the N-S one has houses at the south end and tall trees and there is a
forest at the north end but the other runway has large fields off each end.
We decided to sit and wait for the evening lull. During some conversation
about my nerves and other things I noticed the flag hanging limp. It was
now or never. But on starting the engine I got no oil pressure. Uh oh, was
this a sign? My nerves were acting up again. Jim Armstrong came out and
offered some advice on getting the pump primed by adding an extra quart of
oil and raising the!
tail while turning the prop. This trick worked like a charm. Drained the
excess oil and off I went. I climbed to about 1000 feet and flew around for
about half an hour over large expanses of farm land with young crops
gradually relaxing and getting the feel of the piet. Then while heading west
looking at the sparkle of the lowering sun on Lake Huron I became aware of a
significant drift to the North in my track. I turned back to the the field
and sure enough the flag was standing out indicating the onshore breeze from
the SW had kicked up again. Hmmm. What to do? I decided to do a dry run on
the approach so I could see how things might go with a light 90 deg cross on
my preferred runway hoping that it was calm close to ground level. With a
wing low I had no trouble tracking straight down the runway and sure enough
the wind seemed to die off at tree top height and I could have continued on
and landed but I don't like to deviate from a plan so I went around and did
it!
again. I carried a little power till just over the threshold!
and had
a nice smooth landing and roll out. What a charming airplane was the first
reaction I had to the question How was it? from the folks gathered at the
hangar. And that is just how I felt when I flew her looking over the nose
past those eyebrows on the horizon. Charmed. It's just like stepping back
in time to an earlier era of aviation to fly one of these isn't it? I look
forward to many more.
Joe
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375299#375299
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My first Pietenpol flight |
Sounds like a fantastic flight Joe, congratulations on flying the Piet and have
many more just like it.
Jim B.
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
You guys with Ford A's...
it looks like most have drilled a hole at the top of the intake manifold for a
primer line..centered above the down tube.
is this any kind of special fitting or just 1/8" pipe with a line to it ?
i was thinking maybe it should be more toward the front or back... but if it works
good in the middle i'm cool with that,
the other thing is the primer itself.... i was thinking about putting it out by
the engine.. just above the cascolator...short lines.. and i'll be out there
starting it anyway..
thanks..
jeff
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| From: | "Ralph" <ralphhsd(at)itctel.com> |
My wife and I will be driving out and arriving Thursday afternoon. I am
looking forward to inspecting a lot of planes for ideas as I move
forward on the cable installations.
Ralph and Carol in South Dakota
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone in the Omaha area???? |
| From: | "Chad Hill" <crhill74(at)yahoo.com> |
Jim email me at crhill74(at)yahoo.com. I live in Bellevue, NE.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel primer "A" |
| From: | "Brett Phillips" <bphillip(at)shentel.net> |
Most of the Ford conversions that I have been around did not need a primer
for starting in normal flying temperatures. From my experience, the
starting drill has been: switch off, fuel on, throttle closed, pull
through 4 leisurely blades, then make it hot and it will go. Alternately,
do all as above, except when you hear it sucking on the intake stroke,
rock the prop back and forth a few times to load the intake until it drips
(not my favorite due to fire danger), then make it hot and it will go.
Depending on the temperature, you might or might not need to crack the
throttle after pulling it through. This has been the drill with NX311GP,
another engine that my dad and I built 25 years ago, and as I recall, that
was the way Allen Rudolf started N13691. NX311GP has a B carb, the engine
from my childhood has an A carb, and Mr Rudolf used a B carb. I would
imagine that the Tillotson would be similar. BTW, the B carbs are
designed to run with the "Gas Adjusting Valve" (main mixture needle)
closed after warm up, but the A carbs usually need to be opened a bit.
Since these carbs are now 80 years old, this shouldn't be taken as gospel,
but it might be useful as a guideline.
Brett Phillips
"simplicate and add lightness"
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| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Hey all,
I need to place an order for aileron piano hinges. Does anyone have either an
Aircraft Spruce or Wick's parts number on what they used? I looked through the
online catalog and didn't see exactly what I thought I need. Any help would
be appreciated.
Thanks,
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge? |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
About 5 minutes searching in the archives reveals:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=27091722?KEYS=piano_hinge?LISTNAME=Pietenpol?HITNUMBER=240?SERIAL=22460831284X?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
And: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/pianohinge.php
http://www.matronics.com/search
Choose the Piet archive, follow the instructions to properly format your
search. Play around with it for a while, a wealth of info in there...
Ryan
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:49 PM, tdudley(at)umn.edu wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I need to place an order for aileron piano hinges. Does anyone have
> either an Aircraft Spruce or Wick's parts number on what they used? I
> looked through the online catalog and didn't see exactly what I thought I
> need. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375355#375355
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge? |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
But, that is not what Jack recommends.
Adrian,
Having flown Pietenpols with and without the aileron gaps sealed, I would
strongly urge you to use aluminum piano hinges the full length of the
aileron. Without the gaps sealed, the ailerons are sluggish and borderline
ineffective. With full span piano hinges, you have a nice strong hinge and
get the gap sealed for free.
One word of advice - it is far easier if you use one 6 foot piece of piano
hinge per aileron. I followed the advice given by Tony Bingelis and broke
my hinges up into 6 12" sections so that if the wing was flexed while I was
inputting aileron, the hinges would not bind. Totally unnecessary, and it
really makes keeping all those hinges properly aligned very difficult. Mike
Cuy used one long hinge per aileron and it works just fine.
Also, I would use the cheaper AN257 rather than the MS20001 type. Plenty
strong enough and 1/5th the price. I used the more expensive (and stronger)
MS20001 type but would not do so if I were to do it over.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel primer "A" |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I have found that at times it takes a squirt of primer to get going. But wh
at Brett says is probably right, as he has more experience than I. Maybe yo
u could leave it off until you decide for yourself? Only reason I put one o
n is I saw that Ken Perkins had one, and also I bought my whole induction s
et-up from him and the fitting was on there already. It is an 1/8" tube fit
ting to accept a primer line. Primer by the gascolator should be fine. The
primer fitting off to one side is probably better, since if I give it too m
uch she drips out from that drain hole on the bottom of the carb, leaving f
uel stains down the outside of the cowl.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A"
>
You guys with Ford A's...
t looks like most have drilled a hole at the top of the intake manifold for
a
rimer line..centered above the down tube.
s this any kind of special fitting or just 1/8" pipe with a line to it ?
was thinking maybe it should be more toward the front or back... but if it
orks good in the middle i'm cool with that,
he other thing is the primer itself.... i was thinking about putting it out
by
he engine.. just above the cascolator...short lines.. and i'll be out there
tarting it anyway..
thanks..
eff
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| Subject: | Re: My first Pietenpol flight |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Joe,
An eloquent story to inspire the masses! Fantastic! Can't wait to see her.
Congrats!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel primer "A" |
| From: | BRETT PHILLIPS <bphillip(at)shentel.net> |
Dan:
While I have some experience with A's on the ground, I do not have
experience in the all important flight mode! I think you have me beat there
for sure. A flying Ford powered Piet has been a goal of mine for a long
time now (over 25 years), and while it is now much closer to hand than it
was, I still have a ways to go.
Brett
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 7:25 AM, wrote:
> I have found that at times it takes a squirt of primer to get going. But
> what Brett says is probably right, as he has more experience than I. Maybe
> you could leave it off until you decide for yourself? Only reason I put one
> on is I saw that Ken Perkins had one, and also I bought my whole induction
> set-up from him and the fitting was on there already. It is an 1/8" tube
> fitting to accept a primer line. Primer by the gascolator should be fine.
> The primer fitting off to one side is probably better, since if I give it
> too much she drips out from that drain hole on the bottom of the carb,
> leaving fuel stains down the outside of the cowl.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> * *
>
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge? |
NX92GB has the rolled piano hinge (the cheaper one) and has over 300hrs of
flight time with no problems.- Dad used 1 long hinge section and there ar
e no binding issues.
-
Shad
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From: John Francis <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge?
Date: Tuesday, June 12, 2012, 4:48 AM
But, that is not what Jack recommends.
Adrian,
Having flown Pietenpols with and without the aileron gaps sealed, I would
strongly urge you to use aluminum piano hinges the full length of the
aileron. Without the gaps sealed, the ailerons are sluggish and borderline
ineffective. With full span piano hinges, you have a nice strong hinge and
get the gap sealed for free.
One word of advice - it is far easier if you use one 6 foot piece of piano
hinge per aileron. I followed the advice given by Tony Bingelis and broke
my hinges up into 6 12" sections so that if the wing was flexed while I was
inputting aileron, the hinges would not bind. Totally unnecessary, and it
really makes keeping all those hinges properly aligned very difficult. Mike
Cuy used one long hinge per aileron and it works just fine.
Also, I would use the cheaper AN257 rather than the MS20001 type. Plenty
strong enough and 1/5th the price. I used the more expensive (and stronger)
MS20001 type but would not do so if I were to do it over.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Dan=2C if you recall a couple of years ago at Brodhead I asked whether the
primer was necessary=2C as I was not planning on putting one on mine. You
and I tried propping yours bopth hot and cold without prime and determined
that it was not necessary. Gene
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A"
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Tue=2C 12 Jun 2012 07:25:57 -0400
I have found that at times it takes a squirt of primer to get going. But wh
at Brett says is probably right=2C as he has more experience than I. Maybe
you could leave it off until you decide for yourself? Only reason I put one
on is I saw that Ken Perkins had one=2C and also I bought my whole inducti
on set-up from him and the fitting was on there already. It is an 1/8" tube
fitting to accept a primer line. Primer by the gascolator should be fine.
The primer fitting off to one side is probably better=2C since if I give it
too much she drips out from that drain hole on the bottom of the carb=2C l
eaving fuel stains down the outside of the cowl.
Dan Helsper
Puryear=2C TN
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Sent: Mon=2C Jun 11=2C 2012 5:21 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A"
>
You guys with Ford A's...
it looks like most have drilled a hole at the top of the intake manifold fo
r a
primer line..centered above the down tube.
is this any kind of special fitting or just 1/8" pipe with a line to it ?
i was thinking maybe it should be more toward the front or back... but if i
t
works good in the middle i'm cool with that=2C
the other thing is the primer itself.... i was thinking about putting it ou
t by
the engine.. just above the cascolator...short lines.. and i'll be out ther
e
starting it anyway..
thanks..
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge? |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Tom,
As much as I respect Jack Phillips suggestions, I too went with the MS extruded
aluminum hinge vs. the rolled version. As I understand it, it is more than
just the strength of the rotating part of the hinge but the material that you
will drill through to mount it is much stronger on the MS version. I am reading
that some of these holes are drilled low on the hinge to mount it and the extra
strength is needed in the material to prevent the hinge from bending over.
My technical advisor also suggested the stronger hinge. He also suggested I put
several smaller sections in as Tony Bingelis suggests, but I am not going to
do that for several reasons. A couple are that some (Jack Phillips, Mike Cuy)
and numerous others are running one continuous piece which is easier to align
and gives you the gapless hinge you need on the ailerons. My technical advisor
felt several smaller hinges would give some redundancy if one section should
fail and that is the way many certified aircraft ailerons are hinged.
Just my thoughts.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Brodhead and progress |
Of course, we're all hoping Greg can come, but I'm glad I'll be able to see
their lovely plane again. One of my favorites. I'll miss Don as well,
though choosing his daughter's wedding over Brodhead does make one question
his priorities. :-)
Sounds like we might see some new ones, which is very exciting, and if all
goes well we should see a LOT of new ones in the next year or two. I'm
really thinking 2013 will be the year for 799B "Re-PIET" will make it.
Progress report. Cowling finally finished, came out pretty well. Am now
ripping through covering the empennage and fuselage (ever noticed how many
French words there are re planes??, they were quite the pioneers early on)
am hoping to get Marci in on stitching to help speed things along and give
her a sense of involvement.
Douwe
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge? |
I used multiple short hinges on mine rather than a continuous 6' length -
unnecessary, and much more difficult in my opinion. I used the stronger
(and much more expensive) MS20001 hinges. Again,unnecessary. As your
Technical Counselor noted many certified aircraft use short pieces of piano
hinges. Look at the hinges on a Piper Cherokee, and note that they use the
cheaper and weaker AN257 rolled type hinges.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Tom,
As much as I respect Jack Phillips suggestions, I too went with the MS
extruded aluminum hinge vs. the rolled version. As I understand it, it is
more than just the strength of the rotating part of the hinge but the
material that you will drill through to mount it is much stronger on the MS
version. I am reading that some of these holes are drilled low on the hinge
to mount it and the extra strength is needed in the material to prevent the
hinge from bending over.
My technical advisor also suggested the stronger hinge. He also suggested I
put several smaller sections in as Tony Bingelis suggests, but I am not
going to do that for several reasons. A couple are that some (Jack
Phillips, Mike Cuy) and numerous others are running one continuous piece
which is easier to align and gives you the gapless hinge you need on the
ailerons. My technical advisor felt several smaller hinges would give some
redundancy if one section should fail and that is the way many certified
aircraft ailerons are hinged.
Just my thoughts.
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: BPA sculpture donation |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Here are some pics. Just scroll down. They look great!
http://www.pietenpols.org/id17.html
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge? |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Mine are the MS version, all one piece. But that's when I had money to burn
.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:54 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge?
Tom,
As much as I respect Jack Phillips suggestions, I too went with the MS extr
uded
luminum hinge vs. the rolled version. As I understand it, it is more than
ust the strength of the rotating part of the hinge but the material that yo
u
ill drill through to mount it is much stronger on the MS version. I am rea
ding
hat some of these holes are drilled low on the hinge to mount it and the ex
tra
trength is needed in the material to prevent the hinge from bending over.
My technical advisor also suggested the stronger hinge. He also suggested
I put
everal smaller sections in as Tony Bingelis suggests, but I am not going to
do
hat for several reasons. A couple are that some (Jack Phillips, Mike Cuy)
and
umerous others are running one continuous piece which is easier to align an
d
ives you the gapless hinge you need on the ailerons. My technical advisor
felt
everal smaller hinges would give some redundancy if one section should fail
and
hat is the way many certified aircraft ailerons are hinged.
Just my thoughts.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel primer "A" |
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
Jeff,
Keep in mind that I am not a Model-A expert by any means but I have some thoughts
that may help. Its funny that you say it looks like most have drilled a hole
at the top of the intake manifold for a primer because I can only think of
one that does (need to pay better attention I guess seems theres at least three
from reading this thread). Most installations Im aware of do not have a primer.
Are you having difficulty starting your engine? One Model-A engine I propped
on a Pietenpol had an open intake you could choke by placing your hand
over it.
Most Pietenpols have the enrichener safety wired with the butterfly open but on
mine I have it spring loaded open and place a small piece of tubing on the shaft
to close the butterfly and choke it while I turn 4 blades. I then remove
the tube (placing it on the throttle linkage just to store it) and turn the prop
through 4 to 6 blades to pull the rich mixture into the cylinders. After that,
make it hot and give it a throw.
For reference, I have an early (1927) engine with babbit bearings, 6.5:1 aluminum
head, Vertex magneto and a washing machine water pump.
Disclaimer: My engine has less than 10 hours on it and has not flown yet.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel primer "A" |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Mine starts ok if I do just what you describe.... choke, turn a couple of blades
then ignition on... and it goes.... the problem is the gas coming out the bottom
of the carb when i choke it... i was thinking a primer line above the carb
with a very small hole so it mists into the intake would make it start easier
without the leak or the choke... i'm all about keeping it simple... maybe i'll
take it out and run it some more and see how it goes.. I can always add a
primer after its covered if needed.
thanks
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Got mine from Tower Hobbies... 10-32 type.
Mine are also not flight tested either (full scale), but I've flown many high performance
R/C aircraft and they have never given me trouble backing our or loosening
when properly installed.
Based upon the rib spacing, I would guess that mine are 7-8" apart too.
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| Subject: | Re: turnbuckle size |
| From: | "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
Finally an answer to all your turnbuckle questions.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Please Print and Archive!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel primer "A" |
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
Jeff,
I too was worried when I first saw fuel leaking from the carb, but I found this
is normal and in the case of starting the engine desirable after reading about
how to hand-crank the Model-A automobile.
Read steps 5 through 7 at http://www.abarnyard.com/workshop/handcrank.htm
With the ignition OFF, hold the choke out (fully closed). This will require either
a helper, a pull cord from the lever on the carburetor to the front of the
vehicle, or one of those modern undersized and sticky choke rod grommets.
(This is where I use a piece of hose)
Carefully position the crank in place engaging the ratchet with the crank left
of center in the lower of the two possible positions. Grasp the crank as shown
in the photo above, paying close attention to the thumb position below the
handle. Pull the crank to the top briskly but carefully. Repeat with a second
pull.
At this point there should be gas running slightly from the carburetor to the floor.
Release the choke and turn ON the ignition.
This is basically what Im doing with the Piet. Like you, I felt the idea of spilling
gas doesnt fit well in todays way of looking at things, but its a small
amount, and if care is taken it shouldn't present a problem. (IMHO)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel primer "A" |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
thanks....
i drive a 30 AA truck all the time... and it almost won't start without choking
it..
I'll give it i whirl so to speak..
i'm using a modern zenith and it doesn't just have a hole like the a and b carbs.
it has a 3/8 inch boss in the bottom with a kind of a mesh in it..
it leaks out there... i considered adding a hose so it would run to the ground
and not on the cowl..
maybe i can find the right amount of spins with the choke on to only get a drop
or two..
thanks gentlemen
jeff in lou ky
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| From: | MARK ROBERTS <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
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| Subject: | Elevator control trim |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Since I can't sleep tonight thinking about my build, I want to ask a question regarding
trim on the elevator controls. I have seen Mike Cuy's treatment on the
elevator trim, and have planned to imitate it (best form of flattery Mike!).
I thought I'd ask if there were other forms of trim being used by you pieters,
and if there are pics anywhere. I am at the point of building my seat and pilot's
'perch' so I want to plan out the trim arrangement. I am going to buy the
rest of the Bingalis books soon, so if there is a good reference on this in
one of them, point me in the right direction coach!
Thanks!
Mark
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| From: | "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
| Subject: | Elevator control trim |
Mark,
This is what I did.
Cockpit end http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg
Bell crank end http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_1102_JPG.jpg
Hope that helps.
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
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Since I can't sleep tonight thinking about my build, I want to ask a
question regarding trim on the elevator controls. I have seen Mike Cuy's
treatment on the elevator trim, and have planned to imitate it (best form of
flattery Mike!). I thought I'd ask if there were other forms of trim being
used by you pieters, and if there are pics anywhere. I am at the point of
building my seat and pilot's 'perch' so I want to plan out the trim
arrangement. I am going to buy the rest of the Bingalis books soon, so if
there is a good reference on this in one of them, point me in the right
direction coach!
Thanks!
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator control trim |
| From: | "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net> |
Mark
My Piet originally had a push/pull cable operating a trim tab on the elevator.
The problem was constantly having to adjust the trim in flight due to drift in
the cable. The solution was to bust off the plastic knob and add threads to attach
a turnbuckle which works absolutely flawless and allows for very small adjustments
which comes in handy if you have a header fuel tank.
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Hopefully the link posted allowed people to see the sculptures I'm donating.
I think you can also see them on my website under limited editions.
www.douwestudios.com <http://www.douwestudios.com/>
They are for sale privately, and I'll still make a BPA donation from those
sales if anyone is interested, but can't make Brodhead. I kind of did them
for fun and have only displayed them once, so only one has sold of each.
I'll have to go back and find the pricing, but anyone interested can contact
me offline.
Douwe
Progress report. Got Marci to help last night and got all the stitching
done on the tail surfaces. Taping for the next few days, then start on the
fuse!
Called my hangar owner and told him to make plans to move his big ugly Waco
over and make room for a real airplane!!
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Elevator control trim |
Here's (attached picture) about the neatest solution for an easily adjustable and
stable trim tab adjustment on a Piet....it's just an RV window crank....cool
idea.
Jim in Pryor...counting the days.....
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Hey guys..
I weighed the piet today... all together but with fabric only on the control surfaces..
I'm wishing it was lighter but i'm at 649 lb's .. empty with oil and water.. cg
is 10.65
with me in the back and no fuel cg is at 19.92
with fuel it moves forward less than a half inch.
I'm thinking with the rest of the fabric and paint i'm looking at an another 35-40
lbs.. based on the polyfober manual number of 43 lbs to cover a cub.
i'm thinking most of that fabric and paint are behind the CG so its gonna move
back a bit more.. a bit of wing moving may be in order
jeff
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| From: | "Bob edson" <robertse(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | NX53WE has 2 hours |
Our instructor flew again wednesday eve for over an hour and all went
good. Low speed pass at 30 mph - high speed at 103 mph and stalls at 27.
It weighs in at 805 empty with an 0-200 and a 72-44 wood prop. He made
several landings and said he likes wheel landings with a little power.
What a thrill to see it fly. Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Progress =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tonight=85?= Ju st 2 more |
stringers
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Guys!
Believe it or not, the hardest part isn't the building, it is the compilation of
the steel parts needed to order from ACS!
I have spent the last few hours looking at all I need to order to build the fuse
control stuff.
Part of the fun!
Vic, I will call you tonight as I see you called when I was away.
Mark
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| Subject: | AN Bolt deciphering - Resource |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
The hardest part of this build (OK, for me perhaps who is so ADD that I am
still trying to remember where my meds are located...) is the stinkin'
hardware. I have compiled a list of metal, and am now "bolting"...
I am assuming that most of the bolts I get could have a hole in the shaft
to use if necessary. Is there any potential down side to this idea of
ordering all the bolts with holes in the threaded end. I can bet there
would be a problem if I needed the hole and didn't have it...
Thoughts?
Here's a link to what I thought was a helpful chart. I hope it might help
others with my same affliction (Harumph!)
http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/an3_thru_an20.pdf
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: AN Bolt deciphering - Resource |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Sorry guys... Just found the bolt selector tool on ACS. Geez... that helps
a lot.
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> The hardest part of this build (OK, for me perhaps who is so ADD that I am
> still trying to remember where my meds are located...) is the stinkin'
> hardware. I have compiled a list of metal, and am now "bolting"...
>
> I am assuming that most of the bolts I get could have a hole in the shaft
> to use if necessary. Is there any potential down side to this idea of
> ordering all the bolts with holes in the threaded end. I can bet there
> would be a problem if I needed the hole and didn't have it...
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Here's a link to what I thought was a helpful chart. I hope it might help
> others with my same affliction (Harumph!)
>
> http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/an3_thru_an20.pdf
>
> Mark
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AN Bolt deciphering - Resource |
You need a lot of bolts, and the ones with the holes are more expensive,
so I only used the drilled bolts where I needed them. I started out
just ordering the bolts I thought I needed, but eventually ended up
buying 10 of a variety of lengths of AN-3 and AN-4bolts, because when
you go to doing assembly you sometimes need to move up or down a size to
get the proper number of threads. I just bought 100 of the self-locking
nuts in AN-3, and the same for both sizes of washers. Costs very little
in the whole scheme of things, and you avoid getting stumped because you
are 1 bolt short (or long:-) ). I don't remember the part number of the
pulleys, but there is a pulley in the ACS catalog with a ball-bearing
hub that takes a 1/4 inch bolt and takes 1/8 inch cable. They cost
around $10 each, and you need a bunch of them. Someone will chime in
with the part number I'm sure
Ben Charvet
NX866BC 130 hrs so far
OK to archive?
Ben
On 6/14/2012 1:46 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> The hardest part of this build (OK, for me perhaps who is so ADD that
> I am still trying to remember where my meds are located...) is the
> stinkin' hardware. I have compiled a list of metal, and am now
> "bolting"...
>
> I am assuming that most of the bolts I get could have a hole in the
> shaft to use if necessary. Is there any potential down side to this
> idea of ordering all the bolts with holes in the threaded end. I can
> bet there would be a problem if I needed the hole and didn't have it...
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Here's a link to what I thought was a helpful chart. I hope it might
> help others with my same affliction (Harumph!)
>
> http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/an3_thru_an20.pdf
>
> Mark
> *
>
>
> *
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues |
Crew, I finished my A-65 mount Tuesday. I believe I am finished with all the required
welding on the plane now. Building the jig and fabricating the mount was
reminiscent of building the straight axle landing gear.
Engine work will now continue. I have a Fresno Airparts order on it's way and I
hope to start engine assembly as soon as the parts arrive. I also have my fire
wall finished as of last night. It is 1/8" plywood, 1/16" Fiberfrax and .030"
aluminum.
I need to figure out if/how I can store my wings at home once they are covered.
Once I do that, I may buy more fabric and start on them prior to winter.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | elevator (flipper) trim |
I lifted this idea from Rick Holland, and have mentioned it before, but
since you ask.
If you have a battery, or even if you don't, you can use a small
rechargeable.
I purchased a Ray Allen trim servo which weighs a few ounces and mounts in
the elevator to actuate a tab. Two tiny wires run up to a rocker switch and
"Bob's your Uncle!!" you're done!! Light, nothing seen cluttering the
cockpit and. Easey Peasey, Lemon Squeezey.
Very un-original, BUT so is anything else, but it's much easier to hide than
any other system other than a ground adjustable (bend) tab.
Available through ACS and many others.
Douwe
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AN Bolt deciphering - Resource |
Mark, the main difference is price. In the ACS listing an AN3-7A
(undrilled) is $0.12 -- an AN3-7 (drilled) is $0.52. That 40-cent
difference would build up when you start ordering your hardware. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Roberts
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: AN Bolt deciphering - Resource
The hardest part of this build (OK, for me perhaps who is so ADD that
I am still trying to remember where my meds are located...) is the
stinkin' hardware. I have compiled a list of metal, and am now
"bolting"...
I am assuming that most of the bolts I get could have a hole in the
shaft to use if necessary. Is there any potential down side to this idea
of ordering all the bolts with holes in the threaded end. I can bet
there would be a problem if I needed the hole and didn't have it...
Thoughts?
Here's a link to what I thought was a helpful chart. I hope it might
help others with my same affliction (Harumph!)
http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/an3_thru_an20.pdf
Mark
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | AN Bolt deciphering - Resource |
Mark,
Aside from the cost difference, my earlier version of AC43.13 states,
".Bolts 5/16" diameter and over with cotter pinholes may be used with
self-locking nuts." Inference from that, along with my recollection from A&P
school, is that smaller bolts with cotter pinholes would not be used with
fiber locknuts.
Gary from Cool
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of C N Campbell
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AN Bolt deciphering - Resource
Mark, the main difference is price. In the ACS listing an AN3-7A
(undrilled) is $0.12 -- an AN3-7 (drilled) is $0.52. That 40-cent
difference would build up when you start ordering your hardware. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Roberts <mailto:mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: AN Bolt deciphering - Resource
The hardest part of this build (OK, for me perhaps who is so ADD that I am
still trying to remember where my meds are located...) is the stinkin'
hardware. I have compiled a list of metal, and am now "bolting"...
I am assuming that most of the bolts I get could have a hole in the shaft to
use if necessary. Is there any potential down side to this idea of ordering
all the bolts with holes in the threaded end. I can bet there would be a
problem if I needed the hole and didn't have it...
Thoughts?
Here's a link to what I thought was a helpful chart. I hope it might help
others with my same affliction (Harumph!)
http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/an3_thru_an20.pdf
Mark
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| From: | "Bob edson" <robertse(at)centurytel.net> |
We built the long fuselage and made it 2 inches wider and the pilot
cockpit 2 inches longer. For the wheels we used 21 inch rims and made 6
inch hubs. My son did all the metal work. It has disc brakes with gocart
cylinders. Tha wings are Riblett 612 airfoil and the cabanes are the
same length.The stall is at 27 and is not a sharp break but a kind of a
mush. It slow flies at 30 and he had it up to 103. It weighed in at 805
empty and is very stable. We are pleased with this airfoil and the
overall preformance.23 hours yet to go. Bob
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues |
Michael, I'm a little surprised at your choice for the firewall metal. I've
never known of an airplane with an aluminum firewall. All I've ever seen
were steel. Aluminum melts at about 1100 degrees F, and a gasoline fed fire
will easily melt it. I don't think it would offer much protection, even
with a fiberfrax backing. I though you loved stainless steel?
Anyway, you might want to rethink aluminum for a firewall. I assume you've
been reading your Bingelis books, but if not, here is what Mike Cuy's Uncle
Tony has to say about firewall materials:
Acceptable Firewall Materials
The following materials may be used in firewalls WITHOUT BEING TESTED;
. Stainless steel sheet - .015 inch thick (.284 lb./cu. in.)
. Mild steel sheet (coated with aluminum or otherwise corrosion
protected) - .018 inch thick
. Terne plate - .018 inch thick
. Steel or copper base alloy fittings
. Other materials may be used if they can pass the fireproof test.
The Fireproof Test
If you want to use some other material for your firewall, you may have to
prove its ability to meet certain criteria for compliance as a fireproof
material. Simply stated, the material must be given a flame test, in which a
piece of it, approximately 10 inches in diameter, is subjected to a
five-inch diameter flame. Firewall materials and fittings must resist flame
penetration for at least 15 minutes.
That's all there is to that. Compliance is relatively easy and no
homebuilder wanting to try a new firewall treatment should slight the
requirement.
Choosing Your Firewall Material
Galvanized sheet is the most common, most economical of the acceptable
materials used in small general aviation aircraft. It gets its corrosion
resistance from a zinc or hot-dip galvanizing coating obtained by immersing
the sheet steel in a mixture of molten zinc at a temperature of
approximately 865 degrees F. until the base metal temperature of the
immersed steel sheet reaches that of the hot-dip bath.
Local sources for galvanized sheet include metal shops and air conditioning
duct fabricators.
Don't be surprised if the folks operating these metal shops refer to the
thickness of their galvanized sheets in term of gauges rather than inch
sizes such as .018 inch or .015 inch. If that be the case, 26 gauge is
pretty close to what you want (about .018 inch thick). You could assure
yourself that you are obtaining the correct thickness if you bring your own
micrometer to check the various sheets. There are a number of so-called
"standard gauges" and some variations in the actual thickness for the same
gauge number may crop up.
No useful purpose would be served by using a heavier firewall sheet than
that required to meet acceptable minimums. Never lose sight of the fact that
the addition of unnecessary weight, no matter how slight, degrades the
aircraft's performance. The firewall metal for a two-seat aircraft will
probably weigh as much as 4-1/2 pounds anyway, so why make it seven?
In order of preference for firewall material, stainless steel gets top
billing in both quality and appearance. It also costs two to four times more
than galvanized sheet. However, as the "cadillac" of firewall materials, it
is the first choice among builders who want a "show airplane." Builders with
economy in mind will ordinarily use galvanized sheet for their firewall and
may console themselves by claiming that galvanized sheet is lighter than
stainless. I doubt that the weight difference could be measured on the crude
scales most of us have around our shops, but there is that difference.
Another fireproof material, often used in the past and sometimes still found
on older aircraft, is terne plate. It is not used much today because it
isn't as commonly available as galvanized.
Monel and Inconel, although acceptable as firewall materials, are difficult
to obtain. As far as homebuilders are concerned, these may be regarded as
rare materials.
Concern over weight leads some builders to consider the use of aluminum.
However, using aluminum sheet by itself for firewall material is not
acceptable to most FAA inspectors. The official reason is, aluminum will not
pass the flame test because its melting point is just slightly above 1,200
degrees F. In some applications . . . for very slow, light aircraft
(ultralights) with small engines, it might be considered sufficient.
However, before you decide to use it in your own aircraft, check it out with
your local FAA inspector. Although the standards established by regulation
for production-line aircraft do not necessarily apply to experimental
aircraft, deviation from accepted practices may result in your having to get
into a proof testing demonstration. Is it worth the trouble?
So, before going much further, I would strongly urge you to consider
glavanized iron or stainless steel.
Best of luck,
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues
Crew, I finished my A-65 mount Tuesday. I believe I am finished with all the
required welding on the plane now. Building the jig and fabricating the
mount was reminiscent of building the straight axle landing gear.
Engine work will now continue. I have a Fresno Airparts order on it's way
and I hope to start engine assembly as soon as the parts arrive. I also have
my fire wall finished as of last night. It is 1/8" plywood, 1/16" Fiberfrax
and .030" aluminum.
I need to figure out if/how I can store my wings at home once they are
covered. Once I do that, I may buy more fabric and start on them prior to
winter.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Corvair Motor Mount Jig |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
A couple of us Ohioans are about to build our corvair engine mounts. Are there
any jigs out there that someone would be willing to lend us? Could pick up in
Brodhead if that works.
Thanks
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John Francis
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| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Gary,
I'm leaving the Brodhead area early Sunday morning for home and can give you a
lift then. Will that work?
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John Francis
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NX53WE specs |
That is good intell, Bob. Very pleased to hear about the Riblett 612...that is
the airfoil NX992WD has.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: NX53WE specs |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
Great information, im running the Riblett 612 also and am wondering if you put
in and dihedral? My weight will be real close to yours as well.
Thanks in advance!
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NX321LR
Fully Assembled less covering
Mistubishi Powered
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues |
Hello Jack.=C2- Here is the intell. I got from T.B's Firewall Forward, in
so many words:
=C2-
Fiberfrax withstands temps. of about 2,300 deg. F.=C2- and may be conside
red as effective a fire barrier as stainless.=C2-=C2- ...it saves 2-3 p
ounds over SS or galvanized sheet normally installed. (page 60)
=C2-
The technique for using it:
Attach Fiberfrax to wood or composite firewall, overlay with .016" 2024 T3
to protect it. Although aluminum is deficient when used alone, with Fiberfr
ax it is acceptable. (page 60)
I used .030"=C2-because I had it on hand.
=C2-
Before firewall is attached on a wood or composite aircraft I recommend the
firewall be protected with asbestos, Zetex or Fiberfrax paper. (page 63)
=C2-
Page=C2-58 figure1 and page 78=C2-Figure 2 shows Fiberfrax used on wood
firewalls.
=C2-
ACS catalog, page 114:
...Fiberfrax withstands temps. up to 2,300 deg. F. excellent for aircraft f
irewalls.
=C2-
The intell. you provided is sound and from the same book. (Pages 56 and 57)
However, if you read further it gets into wood and composite aircraft and
the above statements.
=C2-
I do like the quote below from your reply:
=C2-
"No useful purpose would be served by using a heavier firewall sheet than t
hat required to meet acceptable minimums. Never lose sight of the fact that
the addition of unnecessary weight, no matter how slight, degrades the air
craft=99s performance. The firewall metal for a two-seat aircraft wil
l probably weigh as much as 4-1/2 pounds anyway, so why make it seven?"
=C2-
I=C2-like SS, but a sheet of it as a firewall seems a bit heavy, expensiv
e=C2-and unnecessary.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues |
Hello Jack.=C2- Here is the intell. I got from T.B's Firewall Forward, in
so many words:
=C2-
Fiberfrax withstands temps. of about 2,300 deg. F.=C2- and may be conside
red as effective a fire barrier as stainless.=C2-=C2- ...it saves 2-3 p
ounds over SS or galvanized sheet normally installed. (page 60)
=C2-
The technique for using it:
Attach Fiberfrax to wood or composite firewall, overlay with .016" 2024 T3
to protect it. Although aluminum is deficient when used alone, with Fiberfr
ax it is acceptable. (page 60)
I used .030"=C2-because I had it on hand.
=C2-
Before firewall is attached on a wood or composite aircraft I recommend the
firewall be protected with asbestos, Zetex or Fiberfrax paper. (page 63)
=C2-
Page=C2-58 figure1 and page 78=C2-Figure 2 shows Fiberfrax used on wood
firewalls.
=C2-
ACS catalog, page 114:
...Fiberfrax withstands temps. up to 2,300 deg. F. excellent for aircraft f
irewalls.
=C2-
The intell. you provided is sound and from the same book. (Pages 56 and 57)
However, if you read further it gets into wood and composite aircraft and
the above statements.
=C2-
I do like the quote below from your reply:
=C2-
"No useful purpose would be served by using a heavier firewall sheet than t
hat required to meet acceptable minimums. Never lose sight of the fact that
the addition of unnecessary weight, no matter how slight, degrades the air
craft=99s performance. The firewall metal for a two-seat aircraft wil
l probably weigh as much as 4-1/2 pounds anyway, so why make it seven?"
=C2-
I=C2-like SS, but a sheet of it as a firewall seems a bit heavy, expensiv
e=C2-and unnecessary.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues |
As I understand the firewall is the Fiberfax not the metal thing I put in
front of it to hold it in place?...
If this is the case, we can use just a simple woven wire in front of the
Fiberfax... can't we?
Mario Giacummo
... .. .-.. .- .- ...- . -. - ..- .-. .- . ... .--. . .-.. .. --. .-.
--- ... .- --..-- .--. .-. --- -... .- .-.. .- .-. ..- - .. -. .- --..--
. ... -- --- .-. - .- .-.. !!!!!
2012/6/15 Michael Perez
> Hello Jack. Here is the intell. I got from T.B's Firewall Forward, in so
> many words:
>
> Fiberfrax withstands temps. of about 2,300 deg. F. and may be considered
> as effective a fire barrier as stainless. ...it saves 2-3 pounds over S
S
> or galvanized sheet normally installed. (page 60)
>
> The technique for using it:
> Attach Fiberfrax to wood or composite firewall, overlay with .016" 2024 T
3
> to protect it. Although aluminum is deficient when used alone, with
> Fiberfrax it is acceptable. (page 60)
> I used .030" because I had it on hand.
>
> Before firewall is attached on a wood or composite aircraft I recommend
> the firewall be protected with asbestos, Zetex or Fiberfrax paper. (page
> 63)
>
> Page 58 figure1 and page 78 Figure 2 shows Fiberfrax used on wood
> firewalls.
>
> ACS catalog, page 114:
> ...Fiberfrax withstands temps. up to 2,300 deg. F. excellent for aircraft
> firewalls.
>
>
> The intell. you provided is sound and from the same book. (Pages 56 and
> 57) However, if you read further it gets into wood and composite aircraft
> and the above statements.
>
> I do like the quote below from your reply:
>
> "No useful purpose would be served by using a heavier firewall sheet than
> that required to meet acceptable minimums. Never lose sight of the fact
> that the addition of unnecessary weight, no matter how slight, degrades t
he
> aircraft=92s performance. The firewall metal for a two-seat aircraft will
> probably weigh as much as 4-1/2 pounds anyway, so why make it seven?"
>
> I like SS, but a sheet of it as a firewall seems a bit heavy,
> expensive and unnecessary.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> *
>
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> *
>
>
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| From: | "Hayes, Mike" <Mike.Hayes(at)gea.com> |
Hello Chaps,
Just a quick piccie of what to expect when you get to the end of your proje
ct!
In reality, some arty girlies from a local college had seen me wobbling aro
und and wanted to borrow my "Lovely Little Aeroplane" for a photo shoot.
My calculations show that if I had started building at the age of ten I wou
ld have been in with more of a chance!
Regards,
Mike
Mike Hayes
Applications Specialist
GEA Heat Exchangers Ltd
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues |
Mario, the Fiberfrax is the fire resistive material and it is fragile. You
need a structure to attach it too, (plywood) and some type of protecting ba
rrier to keep it from abrasion. (Aluminum) I would only be guessing what ot
her material could be used as a "cover" for the Fiberfrax.
-
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Rod Cap Hole Orientation |
I neglected to note in which direction the holes on the connecting rod caps
should face while installed on the crank during disassembly. The manual st
ates to have all conn. rod numbers facing up, but depending on which way th
e crank is laying, that would have the oil holes squirting either forward o
r aft.- Should the holes face forward, aft, or does it matter?
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Rod Cap Hole Orientation |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Numbers up is in regard to the crank being vertical on a stand.....flange
down, rear up.....so orient the rods with that in mind.....
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> I neglected to note in which direction the holes on the connecting rod
> caps should face while installed on the crank during disassembly. The
> manual states to have all conn. rod numbers facing up, but depending on
> which way the crank is laying, that would have the oil holes squirting
> either forward or aft. Should the holes face forward, aft, or does it
> matter?
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Mike Hayes Pietenpol attraction |
Very good Mike! These things happen around Pietenpols. I mostly get th
e 80 and older women
checking out my Pietenpol but occasionally an accidentally younger one will
stop by to look at it.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Conducted W&B today.aft CG came in at 19"!! Empty weight is 718 lbs..I'm
happy. Note the Jack Phillips style wing jacks.that made it sooo easy!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
Gary,
Congratulations! That is a beautiful airplane. How soon will you be
making your tour of Northern California so we can get to see it in action?
Darrel
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Conn. Rod Oil Hole Orientation |
Crew, I believe I have found the answer to my original question. Thanks for
the help.
-
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Bungee Installation |
Took about 1 hour for the first bungee, with the help of my son. Tie-offs
were done with safety wire, a la Jack Phillips and the archives! Bungee
wrapping was easy, but the wire ties take some time.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
After removing the wings from yesterday's W&B, my son is going to help with
the ever-loving bungees. Advice is encouraged.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Looking good, Gary!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: W&B
Conducted W&B today.aft CG came in at 19"!! Empty weight is 718 lbs..I'm
happy. Note the Jack Phillips style wing jacks.that made it sooo easy!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My Babe Magnet |
Mike, nice picture!=C2-=C2- To me, your plane looks like it sits low an
d "flat". Any idea what your deck angle, (angle between level ground and to
p longeron) might be?=C2-=C2- Quite a few Pietenpols I have seen seem t
o sit high on the landing gear...plenty of ground clearance and deck angle.
Perhaps it is just the camera angle.
=C2-
I like that look a lot and built mine to be the same. If it would not be to
o much trouble, could you provide me with your deck angle, distance from gr
ound to crank/prop. center and distance from ground to bottom of tail post?
=C2- How long is that propeller? I am just curious to see how your number
s compare to mine.
=C2-
Thanks .
=C2-
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Fri, 6/15/12, Hayes, Mike wrote:
From: Hayes, Mike <Mike.Hayes(at)gea.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Babe Magnet
Date: Friday, June 15, 2012, 11:46 AM
Hello Chaps,
=C2-
Just a quick piccie of what to expect when you get to the end of your proje
ct!
In reality, some arty girlies from a local college had seen me wobbling aro
und and wanted to borrow my =9CLovely Little Aeroplane=9D for a
photo shoot.
My calculations show that if I had started building at the age of ten I wou
ld have been in with more of a chance!
=C2-
Regards,
=C2-
Mike
=C2-
Mike Hayes
Applications Specialist
GEA Heat Exchangers Ltd
GEA Heat Exchangers
Phone. +44 1432 277277, Fax. +44 1432 355988
Mob. +44 7831 409622
mike.hayes(at)gea.com
www.gea.com
We live our values.
Excellence =A2 Passion =A2 Integrity =A2 Responsibility
=A2 GEA-versity
Regional Address
Registered Office: Dolphin House, Moreton Business Park, Moreton-on-Lugg, H
ereford. HR4 8DS. UK
=C2-
VAT ID No. GB 931 1150 71
Registered in England No. 4057753
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This e-mail, including any attachment, may contain confidential and privile
ged information. If you have received it by mistake, please notify us by re
ply e-mail and then delete this e-mail and any attachment from your system.
Thank you!
=C2-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rod Cap Hole Orientation |
Ryan, the numbers on my connecting rods are stamped on the sides of the cap
s, where the bolts go through. With the crank vertical, all rod numbers wou
ld be sideways in relation to the crank...no "up" or "down" orientation.-
I wonder if the manual is referring to "point up" as being towards the top
of the engine case, opposite of the carburetor?
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Bungee Installation |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Gary,
Did you wrap the underside of the ash piece with leather? If so, how did yo
u secure it from movement? Quite simple and ingenious (not like me, over-th
ink everything). Wish I had thought of it!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sat, Jun 16, 2012 2:08 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bungee Installation
Took about 1 hour for the first bungee, with the help of my son. Tie-offs w
ere done with safety wire, a la Jack Phillips and the archives! Bungee wrap
ping was easy, but the wire ties take some time.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Very cool Gary. Your airplane has it's own unique look, kind of sleek and s
wept. Must be fast!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Fri, Jun 15, 2012 11:53 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: W&B
Conducted W&B todayaft CG came in at 19=9D!! Empty weight is
718 lbs.I=99m happy. Note the Jack Phillips style wing jack
sthat made it sooo easy!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Bungee Installation |
Just got a hole thru it for the anti-rotation rod. Easy to put a few screws
thru it if it looks like it's going to move.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bungee Installation
Gary,
Did you wrap the underside of the ash piece with leather? If so, how did you
secure it from movement? Quite simple and ingenious (not like me, over-think
everything). Wish I had thought of it!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe < <mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net> gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Sat, Jun 16, 2012 2:08 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bungee Installation
Took about 1 hour for the first bungee, with the help of my son. Tie-offs
were done with safety wire, a la Jack Phillips and the archives! Bungee
wrapping was easy, but the wire ties take some time.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Jerry's first flight |
CONGRATULATIONS JERRY!
I concur with others that each "first flight" announcement spurs me on
towards the finish line!!
All covered up!!! Am taping now. I'm hoping to be spraying next week.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Nice job for sure!- I concur...you first time fliers keep me motivated to
get there myself and join the ranks of builder/flier
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: First flight |
| From: | "Kyle85" <boschkyle(at)hotmail.com> |
Checked out the videos on Facebook! You have built a fine looking airplane. Your
aviator skills appear to match your craftsmanship. Just got in from gluing up
a few parts. Figure I will be where you are in 5 years or so, thanks for helping
us aspiring Piet pilots keep our eye on the prize!
Kyle
--------
Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete the
flight.
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| Subject: | How it's made: Airplanes |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Funny... I didn't see ONE piece of spruce in the whole thing... NOT ONE!
And they call it an airplane??!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LhN_T5tGK8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Donald Lane" <dslane(at)embarqmail.com> |
| Subject: | Jerry's first flight |
Congratulations on a successful first flight
Don L
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| From: | Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: How it's made: Airplanes |
Looks like the same process as a canoe !!
-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGespWiyB3E
--- On Sun, 6/17/12, Mark Roberts wrote:
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: How it's made: Airplanes
Date: Sunday, June 17, 2012, 10:18 PM
Funny... I didn't see ONE piece of spruce in the whole thing... NOT ONE!
And they call it an airplane??!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LhN_T5tGK8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
| From: | "scudrun" <jstreet(at)uwaterloo.ca> |
Congrats and also a nice looking airplane! Many happy returns.
Joe
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| Subject: | What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
I see some $65 per pound welding rod on ACS... surely there is something
cheaper? Being a newbie at welding, I plead ignorance ... thanks guys!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
For Oxy/Acetylene... I'm using RG-65 (N0. 32CMS). It is recommended for 4130 and
is much cheaper that what you have found.
https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/oxweld.php
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: How it's made: Airplanes |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Did they mention vacuum bagging? What the heck is the world coming to?
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
| From: | mike Hardaway <bkemike(at)gmail.com> |
Mark, 4130 is best gas or TIG welded with mild steel rod. The additional
thickness of filler makes up the difference in unit strength.
A local welding shop will have 1/16 and 3/32 copper coated rod you need for
8$-$12 per pound. "True Pietenpolers" (those who've flown their airplanes
already) can tell you how few pounds you need for the welding on a Piet.
Mike Hardaway
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> I see some $65 per pound welding rod on ACS... surely there is something
> cheaper? Being a newbie at welding, I plead ignorance ... thanks guys!
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
I was trained to use my oxy torch by some Canadian Recreational Aircraft Association
folks who recommended mild steel welding rod for filler rod with 4130.
My entire control system was welded with mild steel rod from Princess Auto (your
Harbour Frieght I would guess).
Scott Knowlton
Burlington ON
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:37:55
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
Mark,
There is an EAA Homebuilder Hints video on this subject and they say that mild
steel welding rod is acceptable for 4130. One of them is the RG-65 that Mark
Chouinard mentioned.
Regards,
John Franklin
Prairie Aire 4TA0
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Roberts
Sent: Jun 18, 2012 2:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
I see some $65 per pound welding rod on ACS... surely there is something cheaper?
Being a newbie at welding, I plead ignorance ... thanks guys!
________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Funny that Jeff should mention that... I was just looking for that video.
http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1553988082001
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
Mark,
Thanks for the welcomed distraction from work! Gave me a chance to thumb
thru ALL those receipts..but, anything for you, buddy!
I am looking at a receipt from 2006, from a local welding supply, for 10 lbs
of 3/32" 4130 welding rod.$8.832/lb!!! Curious, I just called them and was
quoted $20.52/lb. I originally bought 10lbs, and have wood gear, and I think
I may have used about 3lbs.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 12:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
I see some $65 per pound welding rod on ACS... surely there is something
cheaper? Being a newbie at welding, I plead ignorance ... thanks guys!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
what model welder and type?
Barry
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 3:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
I see some $65 per pound welding rod on ACS... surely there is something
cheaper? Being a newbie at welding, I plead ignorance ... thanks guys!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
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| Subject: | Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Miller recommends
Filler Material
ER70S-2 or ER80S-D2.
3 lbs. $27.70. Free fright
Cyberweld
--------
John Francis
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
________________________________
From: Barry Davis <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Mon, June 18, 2012 5:20:49 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
what model welder and type?
Barry
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
I see some $65 per pound welding rod on ACS... surely there is something
cheaper? Being a newbie at welding, I plead ignorance ... thanks guys!
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| From: | johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au |
| Subject: | Re: NX53WE specs |
Hi Bob,
Congratulations on achieving flight.
For us Riblett 612 outlaws, could you=C2-give us=C2-some insight with r
egards to =C2-your CoG for your initial flights ?
Best regards,
John Woods
Perth, Western Australia
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| Subject: | Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Mark,
Actually I found TIG to be much easier. The hand coordination is very simil
ar to gas welding. The advantage is no pre-heating needed, it is quicker, a
nd I believe easier to control the heat. Very clean- no soot/sparks etc. Al
so I can do some aluminum welding with TIG whereas as hard as I tried, I co
uld never gas weld aluminum. The disadvantage is the cost of the equipment
. After you start TIG you would never go back to gas.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 18, 2012 7:40 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
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I'll be oxyacetylene welding the necessary parts.
To unskilled for TIG! (or oxy at this point.... Practice needed...)
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| Subject: | Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I'll second what Dan says about TIG. Also WAY easier for really thin metals, like
a lot of the fittings on the Piet.
Rigbt now, it seems there's lots of TIG welders being sold via ebay, craigslist,
etc, for a really good deal.
Welding stainless is also really easy with TIG.
In all fairness though, gas welding is probably the most versatile. Not easy,
but you can weld aluminum, you can also heat things up to get them apart, braze
and cut steel with it.
Just don't not consider TIG because of it's "complexity". It's quite easy to pick
up I thought.
And by the way, you'll need er70s-2 filler rod for 4130.
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| Subject: | Heel Brake Question |
| From: | "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com> |
I picked up some old Gerdes A-049 brake master cylinders that are of the toe brake
type that need to sit fairly close to vertical. I am thinking of using these,
but as a heel brake with the cylinders mounted upright under the front seat.
I am just starting mock-up the geometry of the brake pedal and there are
a few complicating factors that I am trying to work through.
Has anyone tried this set-up? An archive search did not turn anything up.
Thanks,
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David Gallagher
Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project under construction: Aircamper
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| Subject: | Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
The only other difficulty with TIG (so I've heard and read) is the fact that you'll
need to normalize after welding. I'm not saying that TIG is the wrong way
to go... heck, I'd like to try it sometime... but the heat effected zone is
so small compared to gas that much of the stress is concentrated in a small area,
requiring heat treating or normalizing to reduce or disburse the potential
for damage or failure. This could be as simple as breaking out the ol rosebud
and heating the cluster or part to a dark cherry red and letting it air cool...
but none the less, you are right back to your ol buddy, the oxy/acetylene
torch.
Not an expert, just relaying what I've been told.
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Mark Chouinard
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| Subject: | Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Mark,
I took one of those SportAir workshops (TIG welding) sponsored by EAA. Acco
rding to the instructor (he was from Lincoln Welders) and all the written i
nfo that they provided, normalizing is not needed on the thinner metals suc
h as we use on aircraft. I would highly recommend attendance at any of the
Sportair workshops. Went to the fabric covering one also.
BTW I met Gary Bell there for the first time.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 8:02 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
The only other difficulty with TIG (so I've heard and read) is the fact tha
t
ou'll need to normalize after welding. I'm not saying that TIG is the wron
g
ay to go... heck, I'd like to try it sometime... but the heat effected zone
is
o small compared to gas that much of the stress is concentrated in a small
rea, requiring heat treating or normalizing to reduce or disburse the poten
tial
or damage or failure. This could be as simple as breaking out the ol roseb
ud
nd heating the cluster or part to a dark cherry red and letting it air cool
...
ut none the less, you are right back to your ol buddy, the oxy/acetylene to
rch.
ot an expert, just relaying what I've been told.
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ark Chouinard
ings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing
Gear
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Heel Brake Question |
David,
I designed my own heel brakes, which are mechanical, but I am sure you could
easily adapt cylinders for hydraulics. There are a few pics on
www.westcoastpiet.com, but let me know if you need more...
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/IMG_2992.JPG
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/Brake_Pedal_Hook-up_2.j
pg
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveG601XL
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Heel Brake Question
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I picked up some old Gerdes A-049 brake master cylinders that are of the toe
brake type that need to sit fairly close to vertical. I am thinking of
using these, but as a heel brake with the cylinders mounted upright under
the front seat. I am just starting mock-up the geometry of the brake pedal
and there are a few complicating factors that I am trying to work through.
Has anyone tried this set-up? An archive search did not turn anything up.
Thanks,
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David Gallagher
Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project under construction: Aircamper
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Heel Brake Question |
And if that second picture link below returns an error when you click on it (as
mine did...), just add "pg" (without the quotes) to the link in the browser window....
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/Brake_Pedal_Hook-up_2.j
pg
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>From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
>Sent: Jun 19, 2012 8:24 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Heel Brake Question
>
>
>David,
>
>I designed my own heel brakes, which are mechanical, but I am sure you could
>easily adapt cylinders for hydraulics. There are a few pics on
>www.westcoastpiet.com, but let me know if you need more...
>
>http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/IMG_2992.JPG
>http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/Brake_Pedal_Hook-up_2.j
>pg
>
>
>Gary Boothe
>NX308MB
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveG601XL
>Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:52 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Heel Brake Question
>
>-->
>
>I picked up some old Gerdes A-049 brake master cylinders that are of the toe
>brake type that need to sit fairly close to vertical. I am thinking of
>using these, but as a heel brake with the cylinders mounted upright under
>the front seat. I am just starting mock-up the geometry of the brake pedal
>and there are a few complicating factors that I am trying to work through.
>
>Has anyone tried this set-up? An archive search did not turn anything up.
>
>Thanks,
>
>--------
>David Gallagher
>Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now
>Next project under construction: Aircamper
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376068#376068
>
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | String Theory (Crankcase) |
I know about using string to help seal the case halves of a Continental A-6
5 upon reassembly. My particular manual, (2011) does not mention this strin
g. It merely states to apply a thin coating of sealant to the mating surfac
es.- My concern is that my "thin coating" may squish out when the bolts a
re torqued and end up coming looses inside the engine.
Anyone NOT using the string and if so...any issues without it?
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | String Theory (Crankcase) |
That's the key Mike-a thin coating of Titeseal will do the job. Thick an
d you'll get squeeze out which you don't want
for the reason you cited. The silk thread is an insurance policy to help
prevent oil leaks. I don't know of anyone who hasn't
used the string (in our local area at least) and it is recommended by the b
est-of-the best small Continental engine rebuilders
that I know of personally-Bill Klosz and Don Helmick and by the well-respec
ted Harry Fenton.
I don't know of anyone who hasn't used the string. You can be the first
and tell us if you get oil leaks or not but obviously
it is much easier to install it now than to wish you had it later. Again
, your choice-that's the beauty of homebuilding and
experimental aircraft building in the United States.
Mike C.
http://textors.com/PietProject.html
Photos from Jack Textor's fantastic photo documentary of his engine overhau
l-thank you Jack!
[cid:image001.jpg(at)01CD4E06.88215AB0]
[cid:image002.jpg(at)01CD4E06.88215AB0]
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| Subject: | Re: String Theory (Crankcase) |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Michael,
This weekend I mounted a 5th bearing on my Corvair engine. The directions tell
you to apply enough sealant (Permatex Anaerobic Gasket Maker) so you squeeze
some out around the assembly, but try to not get any into the engine. A tall
order. I called Permatex tech support and he told me it will simply dissolve
into the oil. Another reason to change your oil often in the beginning.
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John Francis
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | String Theory (Crankcase) |
The string is going in for sure, I was just curious since my manual did not say
to use it, I wondered if people have, in fact, not used it and what the effect
was.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: String Theory (Crankcase) |
Thanks John. Didn't consider the Corvair rebuilds.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Hi Mike,
Your plane is looking great. When all is said and done, We will have the green
team here on the west coast. Keep me informed so I can try to make it up north
to fly with you and Gary.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | silk thread crank sealing, Continental engines. |
There is a service bulletin evidently (I found the one below that calls out
for the silk thread for the IO-360) that calls out a part
number for the thread (see below, PN 641543). I found some for sale in
a quick search too.
What Harry Fenton's words say from his web page:
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| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
I wish that was my hanger. We can all dream. That one is in San Diego at SEE.
Went to an antique show there a few years ago.
Just think how good we will look in a tight / loose formation at mach 0.00001 and
500 AGL. Just thinking about it lowers my blood pressure. What a great feeling.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I work with the guys at EAA's Week's hangar where they do all sorts of welding
on their aircraft with TIG and don't normalize either.
Furthermore, doing a LOT of reading on the matter, the process of normalizing is
rather complicated, requiring close temp control, times and cool down rates
for it to be effective, none which can be done without rather weird equipment
and know how.
Like usual, ask one question from three guys and get a dozen answers! It's the
kind of thing that keeps me awake at nights...
I'm finally firmly in the camp (mostly after having seen it in person a lot) that
TIG is fine, easier for me, no normalizing is required.
With that said, do some reading on the subject of brazing 4130... You'll get twice
the number of theories still! Something like two dozen ideas from three
guys.
Still, an oxy/acet rig is REALLY handy. If you can oxy/acet to aircraft standards,
going TIG later is going to be a piece of cake. I agree the sportair workshops
are great. Dr. Joe (can't remember his last name) who does a lot of teaching
of them is really a good instructor. I've sat through a lot of this lecturing
during Air Venture (Oshkosh). I also have sat through his gas welding
aluminum seminars, which are really really good.
There's a short video of his on oxy/acet and 4130 on the EAA website (or there's
a link). It's short and really really really (that's THREE reallys) a good
place to start. Explains a simple rule of thumb procedure (1/8", 45 degrees and
90 degrees) for oxy/acet of 4130.
This whole welding thing is very cumulative. It's a matter of burning some gas,
rods and metal. Like lead poisoning, your brain just collects the info and
one day it'll seem a lot easier than before, for no good reason.
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| Subject: | Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
The research that I've done on TIG welding 4130 indicates that post weld normalizing
is only needed for metal thicknesses over 1/8". Therefore, for the metal
parts on a Pietenpol, very few welds (if any) would require normalizing. Just
be sure to allow the welds to cool slowly, in still air.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: String Theory (Crankcase) |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Michael I used LOCTITE-515 on my Lycoming. They came out with a service bulletin
that says you can use this as well as General Electric Companys RTV-102. I only
have 3 hours on my O-235 but so far it is dusty dry.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: What is this thingy called?? |
Hi Mark,
Its called a cable shackle. Look in ACS catalog for cable shackles.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: What is this thingy called?? |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Found this picture posted some time ago by Clif Dawson
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I'll be darned! Thanks for the info gents!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | String Theory (Crankcase) |
I used the string. No leaks after 7 years and 260 hours.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: String Theory (Crankcase)
I know about using string to help seal the case halves of a Continental A-65
upon reassembly. My particular manual, (2011) does not mention this string.
It merely states to apply a thin coating of sealant to the mating surfaces.
My concern is that my "thin coating" may squish out when the bolts are
torqued and end up coming looses inside the engine.
Anyone NOT using the string and if so...any issues without it?
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
With the discussions of cable making over the past couple of weeks, I
thought I might pass along a tip that was passed along to me by some
of the old timers here at my local airport. Maybe everyone else knows
this tip, but it was news to me.
Attached is a photo of a connector that they recommended for me to use
when fabricating cables. I picked up this connector at Home Depot for
about 3 bucks or so. It works like a charm in sizing and holding
cable lengths with precision. It acts like a third hand, but without
any of the complaining.
Together with the set of cable cutters that I bought at the local
mountain bike repair station for about $20-$25, cable making has
shifted from a dreaded task to something that is simple and easy.
Cheers, Ken
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
For those of you who want to use shackles, I picked up a bunch from B&B for
a good price last time I bought some turnbuckles.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Turnbuckles for sale |
| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
I have over (100) AN140-16S turnbuckles for sale. They are used and have (2) cable
eyes. I used motorcycle chain sideplates/links to create a "fork" and used
these throughout my Air Camper. $8ea plus $5 shipping via USPS Priority small
flat rate box. Please PM me with orders. Check, MO or PayPal all work fine.
Thanx.......Mike
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PAPA MIKE
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| Subject: | Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
| From: | "scudrun" <jstreet(at)uwaterloo.ca> |
I bought this TIG welder on E-Bay and it does everything as advertized and I think
is a very good deal.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250810415089&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:CA:1123#ht_7441wt_952
It was delivered in 3 days, and worked like a charm out of the box. I have done
mostly stainless welding with it but did some aluminum for testing and it worked
great with blunt zirconiated electrodes in AC pulsed mode. Nice cleaning
action.
One other quick note which will be valuable for those welding thin materials.
I learned to chemically sharpen my tungsten using sodium nitrite which is an inexpensive
chemical salt available from chemical supplies (or you could buy a
product called chemsharp which is the same thing sold in expensive jars!) For
thin metals in DC mode you can't beat the fine tip you get with this method and
no arc wandering!
Joe
tools wrote:
> I'll second what Dan says about TIG. Also WAY easier for really thin metals,
like a lot of the fittings on the Piet.
>
> Rigbt now, it seems there's lots of TIG welders being sold via ebay, craigslist,
etc, for a really good deal.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
"I'm finally firmly in the camp (mostly after having seen it in person a
=0Alot) that TIG is fine, easier for me, no normalizing is required."
I agree.-
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
Mark, I have no real experience with oxy. welding, however, I have done my
fair share of tig...most of it on my plane. I did do some years ago as well
.- If you go the tig route, I believe you will find that you will come up
to speed very fast and be quite confident. I shied away from welding at fi
rst too, on my plane. It had been so long since I welded, I felt like I wou
ld be starting all over.- Turns out, the welding was one of the most fun
aspects of my build.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Heel Brake Question |
| From: | "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> |
great design Gary. i may be copying it myself. how good do the band brakes work?
and whats a good supplier for them?Paul
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel Brake Question |
Regarding Heel brakes. I am a convert as far as using them on taildraggers.
I have spent a lot of time in my buddies Aeronca Champ the last few months. At
first I found the heel brakes to be almost counter intuitive. It felt strange
to push with my heel and flex my toes up in order to stop. (Remember I was raised
in a Cessna 150 with the training wheel up front and toe brakes.) However,
I have become a fan of them on this taildragger. If they were as easy to get
to as toe brakes I would probably have ground looped the plane by now. If I
had not locked the brakes and put the plane on it's nose.
In the Champ, my feet don't rest on the heel brakes. So heel brakes require just
enough more effort that I have to reach for them and I am too busy keeping the
plane straight to do that without real thought. It keeps me out of trouble.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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From: nightmare <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:24
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Heel Brake Question
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| Subject: | Re: Heel Brake Question |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Thanks, Paul. Taxi tests will start in about a month. I'm not expecting much!
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From: nightmare
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great design Gary. i may be copying it myself. how good do the band brakes work?
and whats a good supplier for them?Paul
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel Brake Question |
Her is where I bought mine:
http://www.gokartgalaxy.com/4_band_brakes_and_components.htm
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Hey! Pulley my finger! A pulley question... |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
How about MS24566-3B, available from Aircraft Spruce, for $17.50 a piece?
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Horn mistake.... |
| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Hello,
I did a mistake and I have two choices to correct it. I am covering the rudder
and stabilizer of the piet to practice with the process and .. finish some parts.
When I cover the rudder, I put the elevator horn in place of the rudder horn...
two or three months ago, and I just discover the error ( I dcide to cover
the stabilizer now and when I was searchin for the horns I saw I have two of
different size!!).
The solution of course is replace the horn .. of course, but for that I have to
cut the cover (it is painted now) and recover this place..
The other option is make an other horn, and keep the rudder horn smaller than the
one designed for the Piet.
My question is.. is there any trouble in keeping the small horn in the rudder or
I have to change it?.. Lots of you have flown the Piet..may be you can guide
me about this little problem.
Thank you and regards
Mario
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| From: | "Ray Krause" <Raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Turnbuckles for sale |
Papa Mike,
I will take 20 of them, if they are still available. If OK with you, I will
send a check whenever you say to do so.
Thanks a Million for the offer!
Ray Krause
843 Jay Street
Colusa, Ca 95932
530-458-7097 (home)
530-736-2627 (cell)
Building Sky Scout
----- Original Message -----
From: "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles for sale
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> I have over (100) AN140-16S turnbuckles for sale. They are used and have
> (2) cable eyes. I used motorcycle chain sideplates/links to create a
> "fork" and used these throughout my Air Camper. $8ea plus $5 shipping
> via USPS Priority small flat rate box. Please PM me with orders. Check, MO
> or PayPal all work fine.
>
> Thanx.......Mike
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> PAPA MIKE
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| Subject: | Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
| From: | "scudrun" <jstreet(at)uwaterloo.ca> |
Chemical sharpening:
You get a jar of sodium nitrite. Hold your electrode in a pair of pliers and fire
up a propane torch and just heat the tip of the tungsten until it glows red
in the flame. Then quickly before it cools dip it in the sodium nitrite powder,
moving it in small circles and up and down a little. A reaction takes place
as the oxydizing salt reacts with the hot tungsten and the tungsten is removed
forming a beautiful smooth sharp tip. You quickly learn that you can control
the angle of the sharpening by how far you dip the tungsten into the pool
that forms on the poweder as it melts and reacts. There are no grinding marks
on the electrode which is what makes the arc wander and difficult to control
on low power thin metal welding where you need fine control. Also grinding releases
fine dust which you don't want to breathe especially if you are using thoriated
tungsten which contains a few percent radioactive thorium. Here's a
photo of a 1/16" lanthanated electrode I chemically sharpened using this technique.
Look at the fine tip on it!
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Horn mistake.... |
Mario,
Do the right thing. Uncover the rudder enough to remove the incorrectly
installed horn. Not only will this be easier than making a new horn but
leaving the smaller horn on the rudder will change the geometry of the
rudder control.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horn mistake....
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I did a mistake and I have two choices to correct it. I am covering the
> rudder and stabilizer of the piet to practice with the process and ..
> finish some parts. When I cover the rudder, I put the elevator horn in
> place of the rudder horn... two or three months ago, and I just discover
> the error ( I dcide to cover the stabilizer now and when I was searchin
> for the horns I saw I have two of different size!!).
> The solution of course is replace the horn .. of course, but for that I
> have to cut the cover (it is painted now) and recover this place..
> The other option is make an other horn, and keep the rudder horn smaller
> than the one designed for the Piet.
>
> My question is.. is there any trouble in keeping the small horn in the
> rudder or I have to change it?.. Lots of you have flown the Piet..may be
> you can guide me about this little problem.
>
> Thank you and regards
>
> Mario
>
> --------
> Mario Giacummo
> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376178#376178
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Horn mistake.... |
I agree with Greg, Mario. If you put a smaller horn on the rudder than it
was designed for, two things will happen: Rudder pedal forces will go up,
and rudder sensitivity will increase. I can't predict how this will affect
the handling of the airplane, but I can say that if built as designed, the
rudder on this airplane feels just about perfect - light forces on the
rudder bar and just the right sensitivity and rudder authority. I would not
recommend changing the design, but would cut the fabric off and do it
correctly.
Don't worry - you are not the first to make a mistake building this (or any
other) airplane. I'm in the process of packing to move from my house in
North Carolina to our new home at Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia and as I
packed up my workshop I found a whole box of scrap parts I produced while
building my Pietenpol. I actually built about one and a half Pietenpols,
judging from all the parts that I made that I later determined were not good
enough to trust my life to. Part of the educational process in building a
plane is learning through painful experience that mistakes must be
corrected, even if it means doing some tasks over again.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Cardinal
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horn mistake....
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Mario,
Do the right thing. Uncover the rudder enough to remove the incorrectly
installed horn. Not only will this be easier than making a new horn but
leaving the smaller horn on the rudder will change the geometry of the
rudder control.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horn mistake....
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I did a mistake and I have two choices to correct it. I am covering the
> rudder and stabilizer of the piet to practice with the process and ..
> finish some parts. When I cover the rudder, I put the elevator horn in
> place of the rudder horn... two or three months ago, and I just discover
> the error ( I dcide to cover the stabilizer now and when I was searchin
> for the horns I saw I have two of different size!!).
> The solution of course is replace the horn .. of course, but for that I
> have to cut the cover (it is painted now) and recover this place..
> The other option is make an other horn, and keep the rudder horn smaller
> than the one designed for the Piet.
>
> My question is.. is there any trouble in keeping the small horn in the
> rudder or I have to change it?.. Lots of you have flown the Piet..may be
> you can guide me about this little problem.
>
> Thank you and regards
>
> Mario
>
> --------
> Mario Giacummo
> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376178#376178
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Horn mistake.... |
| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Greg, Jack, thank you.. it's enough, let's replace it and learn how to make a patch
over the cover.. uffff....
Regards.
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Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: Turnbuckles for sale |
| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
Ray,
I will save you (20) and call you tonight with info. Thanx.
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PAPA MIKE
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| Subject: | Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? |
| From: | "scudrun" <jstreet(at)uwaterloo.ca> |
There is also this advert for a product called chemsharp but it is just sodium
nitrite in an expensive bottle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drgaJVKxJxw
Joe
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
I have not flown since 1985, and my old log book was partially damaged in
flood. The entries are still legible, and I am assuming that I should just
start a new one. Anyone have any bright ideas?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: Turnbuckles for sale |
| From: | "gfinley" <ohp(at)ccountry.com> |
Hi, Mike
I don't know if you received my attempt to email you direct, but I would like to
buy 25 of the turnbuckles you offered.
Contact me at
541-840-9484
or glenf(at)ccountry.com
Thanks
Glen
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| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
If it's usable, no need to start a new one. It's ONLY for formality anyway. Be
sure and have an accurate hours flown entry on your physical, as you can use
that to reestablish time in the event of a lost logbook.
When I got my piet, I found my little logbook from where I soloed back in high
school. My tailwheel hours and endorsement were the first entries since the early
80's! However, it's just fine to keep my piet hours which are primarily
logged for insurance.
I haven't kept a log of my commercial hours since I flew for American Eagle for
a few months. I only kept that to have a nice professional looking logbook when
I interviewed for major airlines. The records the company keeps makes everything
legal and I can't even imagine ever having to interview for a flying job
again. If this one doesn't work out, I'll find something else to do!
All of my military hours are in yet different logbooks.
You only have to have proof of flying for currency, insurance, requirements for
tickets, records of endorsements, etc. Other than wording of endorsements, there's
really no guidance from the FAA. I've used the whole stack of logbooks
even recently to get my CFI. The inspectors don't seem to care that some hours
are in this log, others are in that log, just as long as it's fairly obvious
they're MY records. Honestly, it's still quite a gentleman's system. Probably
one of the last...
Personally, I'd keep using the damaged one if possible, kind of neat to still have
that. I'm the sentimental sort.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Keep the old one. Even damaged, it would still show some continuity.
Allied Van Lines lost my first logbook (I had already started the second one
and managed to keep it). Life would be simpler if I still had it.
You'll need a BFR from a Certified Flight Instructor and a medical if you
are going to fly as a Private Pilot and carry passengers. If you will be
flying as a Sport Pilot, you'll still need a BFR before carrying passengers
(I think - I've never dealt with Light Sport pilots as a CFI), but it can be
administered by a Light Sport Instructor, or by a CFI.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:34 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Log Book
I have not flown since 1985, and my old log book was partially damaged in
flood. The entries are still legible, and I am assuming that I should just
start a new one. Anyone have any bright ideas?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Forgot to attach the picture.
Thanks, Jack & Tools. I'm leaning toward the sentimental comment that Tools
made..Duct tape may be the best fix. The binding took the worst of the
damage. If no one pops up with a better idea, then it'll be duct tape.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Log Book
Keep the old one. Even damaged, it would still show some continuity.
Allied Van Lines lost my first logbook (I had already started the second one
and managed to keep it). Life would be simpler if I still had it.
You'll need a BFR from a Certified Flight Instructor and a medical if you
are going to fly as a Private Pilot and carry passengers. If you will be
flying as a Sport Pilot, you'll still need a BFR before carrying passengers
(I think - I've never dealt with Light Sport pilots as a CFI), but it can be
administered by a Light Sport Instructor, or by a CFI.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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