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Subject: Re: Travel Plans to Brodhead??
From: "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2012
Sorry, I guess that would have helped! Arrive MKE Thurdays, 19th at 3:00 (two of us). Heading back to MKE Sunday to pickup two more people (arriving around 1:00) then to Oshkosh. Back to MKE Weds AM. Plenty a room on the Brodhead leg. Steve -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378422#378422 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2012
From: Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Travel Plans to Brodhead??
On 7/16/2012 8:09 AM, Gene Rambo wrote: > Do any of you have plans that include travel to/from either Chicago or > Milwaukee (or any other large city with an airport) Travel plans are > getting messed up and need transportation to/from Brodhead. Anyone?? > > Gene Rambo > Gene, I will be leaving NW Indiana and going to Brodhead on Thursday. I will be driving by Ohare and could certainly pick you up. I will be leaving Brodhead sometime on Sunday and driving to Oshkosh. I will leave Oshkosh sometime on Wednesday. If I can pick you up at ohare just let me know. My travel times are flexible. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso In NX478RS ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2012
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Hitch-hiker
Anybody going through the Cincinnati, Ohio area on their way to Brodhead We d p.m. or later??? Willing to share driving and gas expenses. Maybe even a sandwich or ice cre am one.-Non-smoker, non-drinker and I don't even snore or drool on myself when I nod off. Plus.....I won't publish anything about your project on the Pietlist in the future that might cast aspersions on your character. Larry (Top Curmudgeon) Williamsalone and on foot in the great heartland ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Hitch-hiker
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2012
Larry, Dont know if this will help, but I live about an hour north of Dayton, OH and will be leaving Friday morning around 3:00 a..m. for Brodhead. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378428#378428 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Hitch-hiker
From: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2012
Larry, I sent you a PM, but I am not sure the function is working. I am headed up from Cincinnati on a convoluted route. I leave Thursday morning from Cincinnati, head to Columbus, OH then finally turn NE and overnight in Poplar Grove IL. I will continue on to Brodhead Friday noonish. I then have Oshkosh plans starting on Sunday. I will only be with my son in an SUV so there is some room. I do have to warn that there is a curmudgeon ejection button that I installed...just in case. E-mail me with some contact info and we can talk. Email: david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com -------- David Gallagher Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 220+ hours now Next project under construction: Finish my father's Aircamper Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378430#378430 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2012
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Hitch-hiker
pockity-pockity-po.... What happened, Larry? Where's your plane? Glad to hear that it wasn't too serious... Dan On 07/16/2012 02:18 PM, Lawrence Williams wrote: > Anybody going through the Cincinnati, Ohio area on their way to Brodhead > Wed p.m. or later??? > > Willing to share driving and gas expenses. Maybe even a sandwich or ice > cream one. > Non-smoker, non-drinker and I don't even snore or drool on myself when I > nod off. > > Plus.....I won't publish anything about your project on the Pietlist in > the future that might cast aspersions on your character. > > Larry (Top Curmudgeon) Williams > alone and on foot in the great heartland > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: want to inverview your flying Piet...
Date: Jul 16, 2012
Hey all! Well, sounds like I volunteered myself to write a regular column for the BPA newsletter. I wrote Doc with the idea of a regular column where each issue features an article about a different flying Pietenpol. I told him that lots of people are interested in facts, figures and experiences about flying planes, what worked, what didn't. pilot reports etc. Well he liked the idea and promptly asked if I'd write it, to which I agreed. So. I figured I'd start at Brodhead. So, anyone willing I'd like to interview you about your Piet and get all the particulars and lots of photos. If I could get a ride in it all the better, but that's not necessary. My goal is to give equal representation to all engine types and make these truly about the airplane, not "here's Dr. Jones with his new trophy wife, his Corvette, his Sirrus and by the way, the Pietenpol he bought", but honest to goodness facts and figures and details about he plane. If you're still home and will have your plane there, let me know and I'll try to dig you up. Thanks! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: want to inverview your flying Piet...
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2012
Douwe; I'd be happy to write something up about 41CC if you're open to articles from people who didn't build the Piet that they're flying. However, I'll bet you will have a long list of willing builder/pilot interviewees without me and the adopted Scout. You wouldn't even have to interview me though... I'd be happy to write something up and send it to you for editing, then you could call or email with any questions about the airplane or anything else. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378474#378474 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2012
Subject: I wanna leave for Brodead NOW!!
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
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Date: Jul 17, 2012
Subject: Rest of story...
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
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From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Brat Fest Friday 11:30
Date: Jul 17, 2012
All, We are getting ready to order the fresh brats for Friday. With many not attending Brodhead this year we would like to get a rough count for the fest. Please email wife Susan direct (so we don't crowd the list) how many will be attending. Looking forward to seeing many friends. Susan's email susan(at)textors.com Thanks, Jack and Susan Jack Textor DSM NX1929T ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: want to inverview your flying Piet...
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 17, 2012
Douwe, Lord willing I should be there with NX929DH. I would love to give you a rid e. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL -----Original Message----- From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 4:18 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: want to inverview your flying Piet... Hey all! Well, sounds like I volunteered myself to write a regularcolumn for the BPA newsletter. I wrote Doc with the idea of a regular columnwhere each issue features an article about a different flying Pietenpol. Itold him that lo ts of people are interested in facts, figures and experiencesabout flying p lanes, what worked, what didn=99t pilot reports etc. Well he liked the idea and promptly asked if I=99d write it, to which Iagree d. So I figured I=99d start at Brodhead. So, anyone willing I=99dlik e to interview you about your Piet and get all the particulars and lots ofp hotos. If I could get a ride in it all the better, but that=99s notn ecessary. My goal is to give equal representation to all engine typesand make these t ruly about the airplane, not =9Chere=99s Dr. Jones withhis new trophy wife, his Corvette, his Sirrus and by the way, the Pietenpol hebough t=9D, but honest to goodness facts and figures and details about hepl ane. If you=99re still home and will have your plane there,let me know and I=99ll try to dig you up. Thanks! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mike and Vic Groah visit
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jul 17, 2012
Mike and Vic, Thanks for the kind words. It is most fun to do what we did the other day. It is what makes the hobby fun. Next time I come up I would like to see the cars and your shop if that wouldn't be a problem. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378491#378491 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: hitch-hiker
Date: Jul 17, 2012
Larry, You are welcome to ride along with Marci and I both ways if you like. We're leaving VERY early Thursday morning around three or four to arrive in Brodhead mid aft and will leave Sunday morning. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Mike and Vic Groah visit
Hi Vic, Mike =C2-and Scott, It was nice to see two of the West Coast Piets together. I am hoping we wil l have several Piets at the Frazier Lake get together next June. It is also motivating for those of us not quite as far along as you and Mike and Gary . Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: stitching
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2012
As you guys plan or make way to Brodhead I'll be stitching.. Got 5 ribs stitched this afternoon using the staggerwing knot...it's kinda relaxing. jeff http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l593/jfaithbass/IMG_20120717_162817.jpg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378542#378542 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 1st Taxi
Date: Jul 17, 2012
NX308MB made it twice around the hangar row, without losing any wheels! It's great feeling the vibrations.this thing WANTS to come alive! Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2012
From: Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com>
Subject: Re: 1st Taxi
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From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 17, 2012
Subject: Re: July birthday survey
so is mine, whats her name? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: July birthday survey
From: "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu>
Date: Jul 17, 2012
No kidding, Jack? Mine is on the 28th as well. I don't qualify for the post though; I will be getting there Friday for your brat feed. By the way, since I am already clogging the list, please add myself and my father-in-law for the feed. I could bring watermelon again if you'd like. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378579#378579 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2012
From: Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com>
Subject: Re: 1st Taxi
On 7/17/2012 6:21 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > NX308MB made it twice around the hangar row, without losing any > wheels! It's great feeling the vibrations...this thing WANTS to come > alive! > > Gary Boothe > > NX308MB > Congratulations Gary. She looks great! We may need to make the trip up to Auburn for the maiden flight. Keep us posted. Darrel ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 1st Taxi
Hi Gary, Very =C2-nice looking Piet. When is your appointment with the DAR ? Maybe you should skip Brodhead and just get your PIet signed off and go flying! You could send everyone at Brodhear =C2-a video of your first flight. Tempting huh! I'm jealous obviously, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 1st Taxi
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2012
Hey Gary! Nice Piet. You're getting close to accomplishing what so few do... Looking forward to seeing you again. Patrick Hoyt N63PZ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378586#378586 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RBush96589(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 17, 2012
Subject: Re: 1st Taxi
Way to go Gary the plane looks great. It feels good to finally reach this point doesn't it? your going to love that first flight. There's no other feeling that compares to leaving the ground in something you have built from nose to tail with your own hands. enjoy! See everybody Thursday afternoon. Randy Bush NX294RB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: July birthday survey
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 17, 2012
Mine is Thursday, July 19th. I am a 72 vintage... meaning that I'll be 40 the next time I pitch my tent. D'oh! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378592#378592 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: 1st Taxi
Date: Jul 18, 2012
Beautiful, Gary. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1st Taxi NX308MB made it twice around the hangar row, without losing any wheels! It's great feeling the vibrations.this thing WANTS to come alive! Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: July birthday survey
From: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com>
Date: Jul 18, 2012
July 28 for me also. I am one of those fortunate guys who has always had a birthday celebration at Oshkosh. Funny that no one has ever bought me an Oshkosh B-17 ride as a birthday present though.... See you all there, -------- David Gallagher Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 220+ hours now Next project under construction: Finish my father's Aircamper Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378601#378601 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2012
From: JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: passing through
Just a reminder, that if you are in the Joliet, Morris, or Dwight area and you need assistance, phone me at 630-306-9982. I will be off all day Thursd ay. I will be leaving to drive up to Brodhead Friday a.m. and returning hom e late Saturday evening. If this helps anyone let me know.=0AGood Luck, God Speed and be Safe=0A-=0AJoe Swithin ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 1st Taxi
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jul 18, 2012
Fantastic Gary. I think the west coast is almost littered with Piets now. Soon we will out number the RV's. (Ramp Fly's) as I call them. Congrats, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378617#378617 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Subject: 1st Taxi
Date: Jul 18, 2012
Congrats Gary, beautiful plane.........I like the prop. Brian SLC-UT From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1st Taxi NX308MB made it twice around the hangar row, without losing any wheels! It's great feeling the vibrations...this thing WANTS to come alive! Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 1st Taxi
Date: Jul 18, 2012
Thanks, Brian. Prop is hand carved, per Dan Helsper instructions, but the profile is a copy from PF Beck.I have no original ideas! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 7:14 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 1st Taxi Congrats Gary, beautiful plane...I like the prop. Brian SLC-UT From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1st Taxi NX308MB made it twice around the hangar row, without losing any wheels! It's great feeling the vibrations.this thing WANTS to come alive! Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: July birthday survey
Date: Jul 18, 2012
Well, what do you know about that. My birthday is July 28 as well, but I'm almost as old as the Air Camper... I'll turn 61 this year. I will not be at Brodhead, so someone else can have my brat and gelato. I'll take the beer though. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford/Ashland, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2012
Subject: Counting down
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
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Date: Jul 18, 2012
Subject: Steel tube tail drawings
From: mike Hardaway <bkemike(at)gmail.com>
At Scott Liefeld's request, I've drawn up his steel tube tail section in AutoCAD. The design (Scott's dad's) has forty years of well-proven functionality looking like a Piet. The CAD file is available for free to anyone who asks. I can send it out as a .dwg (162kb), .dxf, .pdf, or .bmp (194kb). Mike Hardaway ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: NX929DH ready to go
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 18, 2012
"But first, but first, who wants a free ride?" Well I have been up here in Poplar Grove since last Wednesday. Had to remov e my new fuel tank to get all the leaks fixed (aarrrrrggg). re-installed it this a.m. and took her out for a flight test. All systems are now "go". Th e plan is to arrive in Brodhead early Thursday morning, depending on the wx . Looking forward to seeing y'all!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2012
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Hitch-hiker
Thanks for all the responses, I got my ride!!! Should be rolling into B'head Thursday mid-afternoon. Can't wait to get there and spread good cheer and happy feelings all around. Larry "TC" Wiliams ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Steel tube tail drawings
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jul 18, 2012
Like Mike says, they are free for the asking. Just cover Mikes shipping and handling expenses if he ask. The plans are not for sale to anybody. Just use them if you like. A couple of others have asked for these drawings in the past and all I had at home were just pencil sketches. Mike Hardaway has been kind enough to do them the right way. This tail has been flying for over 40 years and more than 1100 hours. Thanks again Mike for your hard work on this. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378660#378660 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NX929DH ready to go
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 18, 2012
Dan, I want a free ride. Oh what the heck, Ill even pay for it if necessary. I have been building my piet for two years. This will be my 3rd trip to Brodhead now and have yet to be up in one. Since you offered, I accept! John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378664#378664 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Steel tube tail drawings
Hi Mike, How about sending me a pdf file of Scotts tail surfaces. Thanks, Jim B. my email is: =C2-=C2-=C2- boyerjrb(at)comcast.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "The real bike Mike" <bkemike(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Steel tube tail drawings
Date: Jul 18, 2012
We had a good time at Porterville with Scott's old airplane and Mike and Vic's brand new one. You should have been there. Here's Scott's tail. Mike _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steel tube tail drawings Hi Mike, How about sending me a pdf file of Scotts tail surfaces. Thanks, Jim B. my email is: boyerjrb(at)comcast.net D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2012
From: George Abernathy <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Steel tube tail drawings
Hi Mike,=0A=0AI would like a look at the dxf file. I haven't started wood b utchering yet. Instead I am concentrating on =0A=0Acutting out the metal bi ts. I am just about ready to laser cut - the .062 parts. =0A=0A=0AThanks =0A=0AGeorge=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: mike Hard away =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursd ay, July 19, 2012 3:42 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Steel tube tail drawin gs=0A =0A=0AAt Scott Liefeld's request, I've drawn up his steel tube tail s ection in AutoCAD. The design (Scott's dad's) has forty years of well-prove n functionality looking like a Piet.=0AThe CAD file is available for free t o anyone who asks.=0AI can send it out as a .dwg (162kb), .dxf, .pdf, or .b == ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: passing through
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 18, 2012
Joe offered the same to me last Sep when I ferried 2RN home. Really wish we'd have made it there. Joe, I owe ya a beer for the effort nonetheless! Give me a shout on Fri, 423 580 1383. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378707#378707 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Steel tube tail drawings
HI Mike, I would have liked t o be there. I first met Scott at Rosemond at his hanger when my daughter Jamie was stationed at Edwards AFB. His daughter Katie and Jamie are both the same age. I sa w the pictures of Mike and Vics Piet at Frazier Lake but I bet in real life it is even nicer. Gary's is really looking good now too. One of these days! Thanks for the tail drawing. Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Counting down
From: "cjborsuk" <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 19, 2012
Leaving Crawfordsville in the next few minutes. Should arrive in Brodhead around 11:30am. Can't wait! Chuck Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378738#378738 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Steel tube tail drawings
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jul 19, 2012
Jim, Both my girls have made me a grandpa already. Both have had boys. How about you? Grandpa yet? It doesn't get any better. I'm told that I now need to build them each a Pedal Piet. I've got the plans and just need to start cutting wood. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378742#378742 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Counting down
From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 19, 2012
Chuck, Just arrived crowfordsville having breakfast at the quality inn Where ate you Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2012, at 6:14 AM, "cjborsuk" wrote: > > Leaving Crawfordsville in the next few minutes. Should arrive in Brodhead around 11:30am. Can't wait! > > Chuck > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378738#378738 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Steel tube tail drawings
Hi Scott, Jamie has given us a girl, Maya now 11 and Logan now 5. Logan's birthday was June 6 so grandpa had to buy him a baseball glove and ball. W e played catch and he is a Giants fan just like me. Maya has taken up her mom's enthusiasm for gymnastics and grandpa's music (she is learning flute); but I don't like to talk about my grandkids at all. typical grandfather I'm told. Glad to hear you are doubly blessed Scott; grandkids make up for all the teen age years stress. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Another Hitchhiker
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 19, 2012
Well, it's a long story, but suffice it to say, my transportation plans to Brodhead fell apart 15 minutes ago. I am bound and determined to go anyway, so here is the question. Is anyone passing through Chicago or Milwaukee tomorrow morning in the 9am or later time frame? I could be in either city by then. If anyone wants to call me, please feel free to do so. And I appreciate the help. 678-313-Eight-Two-Two-Four -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378764#378764 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another Hitchhiker
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 19, 2012
I should have added that I can be in Madison by 10:30 AM if anyone is passing that way as well. Thanks! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378769#378769 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another Hitchhiker
From: "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net>
Date: Jul 19, 2012
My wife and I are staying in Madison and will be returning to Brodhead tomorrow so you are welcome to hop on. You can contact me offline or text me at (204) 228-3299 -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378773#378773 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: I have 2 Guest tickets to Oshkosh Availalble
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 19, 2012
My friend who was supposed to go with me to Brodhead and then on to OSH for 2 days backed out at the last minute. I, therefore, have 2 non-refundable guest passes available. If someone would like to contact me by email or off-line and would like to use them, please let me know. They will be wasted if I do not hear from anyone, so I hope someone will contact me. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378786#378786 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Missed Brodhead But...
Me too, bet its a blast this year. Darn, darn, darn!!! Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: grandkids at the controls
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2012
C'mon... somebody wanna fly formation with our grandson Brandon? -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378830#378830 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/brand_122.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Brodhead
Date: Jul 21, 2012
Great time! Jack Textor DSM NX1929T ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Max Hegler <maxhegler(at)msn.com>
Subject: Model "A" engine for sale
Date: Jul 21, 2012
Chris=2CI finally made it to Brodhead. Is the engine still available? Take Care=2CMax > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model "A" engine for sale > From: rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net > Date: Tue=2C 17 May 2011 08:42:41 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > t> > > Here is an Ford Model A engine i no longer need=2C i purchased it from a guy in Oshkosh a few years back for a $1000 bucks. I never did anything wit h it and don't know its history except the guy i bought it from says it cam e out of a pietenpol. If your interested please email me......$1000 obo. Pu tting it up here first=2C then barnstormers. > > crusch(at)lakefield.net > > Thanks > > Chris > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340135#340135 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1586_961.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1580_484.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1579_485.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1578_630.jpg > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: grandkids at the controls
Oscar he looks like he belongs right there in the pilots seat. Won't be long and grandpa will be teaching him to fly Scout. I'm jealous myself. Cheers, Jim B. (here in N. CA. instead of Brodhead; darn it) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Missed Brodhead But...
Hi Jim, Keep the pictures coming! Thanks, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Brodhead
Hi Jack, Thanks for the pictures. How many Piets are there this year? Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Model "A" engine for sale
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2012
Yes still have it -------- NX321LR Fully Assembled less covering Mistubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378870#378870 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Max Hegler <maxhegler(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Model "A" engine for sale
Date: Jul 21, 2012
Where are you located? Unfortunately=2C my phone was not working at Brodhea d today. I am in the hotel in Janesville. Max > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model "A" engine for sale > From: rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com > Date: Sat=2C 21 Jul 2012 10:37:55 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > om> > > Yes still have it > > -------- > NX321LR > Fully Assembled less covering > Mistubishi Powered > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378870#378870 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead
From: "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Jul 22, 2012
Only an estimate, 10 as of Friday night, 65 for the brat lunch Jack Textor Sent from my iPad On Jul 21, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Jim Boyer wrote: > Hi Jack, > > Thanks for the pictures. How many Piets are there this year? > > Jim B. > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Brodhead
Thanks Jack, I know you all had fun so now have a safe trip home. Hope to see you again next year. Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Brodhead report
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2012
Good People, There is only one word to describe Brodhead 2012,......AWESOME!! The weathe r was great on Friday and Saturday. Lots of flying, measuring, talking, lyi ng etc. It was great to visit with all the characters on this list, meeting many for the first time. The Piggly Wiggly fresh brats we had at Jack's Br atfest were the best, graciously served by Jack and Susan from their RV. J ohn (slather) Racine brought the spaggetti sauce and Shelly provided the no odles for a scrumptious Thursday night dinner. YUM. For me personally this year was most satisfying in that after 10 years of building NX929DH and two more long drawn-out years of flying through my 40 hour test phase, I was f inally able to give passenger rides. On Friday morning Chuck Borsik (sp?) f rom N.C. was my very first passenger ever. After that the word spread and t here was a steady stream behind him all day long. Hopped at least 20 rides that day. The IT girl Shelly did a wonderful and tireless job setting us up in the cove as usual with her kitchen tent, coolers etc. A HUGE THANK YOU to her and Kevin!!! There seemed to be a huge number of photos taken this year. Dan Yokum and I did two different air-to-air photo shoots with pro photographers. Shelly g ot a couple a GREAT money shots from last night's sunset flying. We will ge t to see them soon here. This morning (Sunday) we awoke to a dark mass head ing our way from the west. Dan Yokum had to roust the EAA chapter guys out of the kitchen in order to open the fuel pumps for us early. We hurredly re -fueled and left just in the nick of time as the rain started to fall. I ac tually flew through the first two minutes of rain before I could out run it . A georgeous morning the rest of the way back to Poplar Grove, headed east , with light ground fog- the early morning sun dancing and glistening as we crawled our way back home ahead of the storm. A wondrous place to be, Brodhead WI. at the annual Pietenpol fly-in. No par king fees, no entrance fees, no hassle. Warm friendly people from all walks of life, literally from across the globe, all milling around, savoring eac h sight, and loving each minute. Makes you really feel good about being a p art of this human race. Respectfully submitted, Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Brodhead report
Date: Jul 22, 2012
Thanks for the report, Dan. For those of us who for various reasons couldn't make it this year, it was good to read that life is still good at Brodhead. Actually, today I feel good knowing that I'm NOT there, because Sunday morning at Brodhead always seems sort of sad. Safe travels to everyone getting home, and I'm already planning next year's trip. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew(at)aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:42 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead report Good People, There is only one word to describe Brodhead 2012,......AWESOME!! The weather was great on Friday and Saturday. Lots of flying, measuring, talking, lying etc. It was great to visit with all the characters on this list, meeting many for the first time. The Piggly Wiggly fresh brats we had at Jack's Bratfest were the best, graciously served by Jack and Susan from their RV. John (slather) Racine brought the spaggetti sauce and Shelly provided the noodles for a scrumptious Thursday night dinner. YUM. For me personally this year was most satisfying in that after 10 years of building NX929DH and two more long drawn-out years of flying through my 40 hour test phase, I was finally able to give passenger rides. On Friday morning Chuck Borsik (sp?) from N.C. was my very first passenger ever. After that the word spread and there was a steady stream behind him all day long. Hopped at least 20 rides that day. The IT girl Shelly did a wonderful and tireless job setting us up in the cove as usual with her kitchen tent, coolers etc. A HUGE THANK YOU to her and Kevin!!! There seemed to be a huge number of photos taken this year. Dan Yokum and I did two different air-to-air photo shoots with pro photographers. Shelly got a couple a GREAT money shots from last night's sunset flying. We will get to see them soon here. This morning (Sunday) we awoke to a dark mass heading our way from the west. Dan Yokum had to roust the EAA chapter guys out of the kitchen in order to open the fuel pumps for us early. We hurredly re-fueled and left just in the nick of time as the rain started to fall. I actually flew through the first two minutes of rain before I could out run it. A georgeous morning the rest of the way back to Poplar Grove, headed east, with light ground fog- the early morning sun dancing and glistening as we crawled our way back home ahead of the storm. A wondrous place to be, Brodhead WI. at the annual Pietenpol fly-in. No parking fees, no entrance fees, no hassle. Warm friendly people from all walks of life, literally from across the globe, all milling around, savoring each sight, and loving each minute. Makes you really feel good about being a part of this human race. Respectfully submitted, Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead report
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 22, 2012
Thanks Dan...... Brings a smile to read about all you folks having such a good old time.... I plan to be there (sans plane - a few more years to go for that...) next year as it will be only a couple days from my niece's wedding in Wisconsin....! Back to the garage now for more progress and enjoyment building my Piet..... Thx....... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378925#378925 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Brodhead report
Nice report Dan, next year I will be back at Brodhead. Really missed being there and seeing all the beautiful Piets. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead report
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 22, 2012
It was really good to put some faces to some names. Those guys giving rides were real popular and I finally got my first ride with Dan Yocum. I enjoyed talking with everyone and took home some good information. I ll see you next year and hopefully with a lot of progress done on the piet. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378934#378934 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Brodhead
From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 22, 2012
Did anyone attend the SAA seminar ? What were your thoughts? John Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Brodhead
Date: Jul 22, 2012
We made it home tonight, it was a great time. Thanks to Jack Textor for the great BBQ. I'm looking forward to flying there next year. Maybe we can all meet at the Antique Airplane Assn. at Blakesburg, Ia. Dick N. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barnwell Regional Airport" <barnwellairport(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Sport Aviation Assoc forum at Brodhead
Date: Jul 23, 2012
Got back from Brodhead last night. Saw many old friends and met many new ones. A successful event. Not as many Piets as expected. I counted 15 total. Someone else correct me if my number is in error. Thanks to Kevin and Don for constantly giving rides. Ed Fisher did a presentation about resurrecting the Sport Aviation Association. Many joined or rejoined and others will send checks when they get home as I will. Ed's address is as follows Sport Aviation Assoc c/o Ed Fisher 361 Whiteplains Place Gilbert, S. C. 29054 I was a member all the time Paul published the old SAA magazine. I think it's a great idea to have a "grass roots" type magazine for all of us that don't want to read about someone's $150,00 turbine powered plane or the "hollywood type" rich people. I fully support what Ed's is trying to do and I hope you will too. Enough is enough,I'm off my soap box. Take care, P. F. Beck ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Kevin
Date: Jul 23, 2012
If anybody knows anything about Kevin would they please email me an update offline since I only get my Piet list emails in the morning and I'm really concerned. Or give me a call Thanks! Douwe 805 573 3564 douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kevin
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 23, 2012
Pieters, Yesterday afternoon, our beloved and well respected Kevin Purtee had an acc ident upon leaving Brodhead airport, bound for TX. There were three of us t hat witnessed the accident, myself, Gary Boothe, and Bill Church. I have be en in contact with Shelly all along, and she has asked me to give a brief s tatement at this time. Kevin was airlifted to U of Wisconsin Madison hospit al. He underwent surgery last night and is stable and doing well. There wer e no spinal or brain issues. I believe the prognosis to be good. Above all at this point, they both need our support, concerns, and prayers if you are inclined. Thank you, on behalf of Kevin and Shelly. Dan H ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kevin
I must have missed the other posts...if there were any, because this is a t otal surprise to me.- Please keep us posted...any details on what might h ave gone wrong? Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kevin
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 23, 2012
Will keep them in our thoughts and prayers. Just ask if there is anything we can do. It was my pleasure meeting both Kevin and Shelly this year. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378998#378998 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kevin
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 23, 2012
I just wanted to say thanks to the folks that knew of this for keeping the speculation off of here. Please keep Kevin and Shelley in your prayers. Absolutely fantastic people! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379002#379002 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2012
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Kevin w/note to Shelley
Shelley, Don't forget that Ken Schmetter and I are less than 3 hours drive from San Marcos and we have trailers, lifting equipment, and lots of tools. If there's anyway we can help, please let me know. John Franklin Prairie Aire 4TA0 Needville, TX _281-798-9984_ ________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kevin
From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 23, 2012
Shelley, Please advise if there is anything that " the community" can do to assist you and Kevin at this time. You and Kevin are in our prayers. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379027#379027 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead
From: "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com>
Date: Jul 23, 2012
Jack, Call me. I picked up the piet picture for you at the auction. 641-485-0840. Will be at Osh til Saturday morning unless I croak from heatstroke first... Lorin -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379033#379033 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kevin
From: "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net>
Date: Jul 23, 2012
It is with heavy hearts that my wife and I pass on our wishes and prayers to Kevin and Shelley and are gracious for the opportunity to have met briefly on Saturday. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379042#379042 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: prop clearence
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 23, 2012
When I flew Dick/Ted's Lablond I was told to keep the tail down,on take-off and landings, as clearance was Minus 3" Lambert required 8" with a 76" prop Werner with a 82 " prop had 4" Funk stock=10",76" Funk inverted 10",76" Ford A 9" 76" Different engines had different crank to ground distances. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379043#379043 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com>
Subject: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings
Date: Jul 23, 2012
those that have used motorcycle wheels with Bronze bearings=2C - where did you get your material for the bearings. I'm assuming you used sleeved (fla nged) bearing but I can only find stuff that's 1 1/2" long. Was thinking i t should be the entire hub length. Tom B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings
From: Rick <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 23, 2012
Tom, Get them from Mcmaster Carr Rick Schreiber NX478RS Valparaiso, In Sent from my iPad On Jul 23, 2012, at 8:36 PM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote: > those that have used motorcycle wheels with Bronze bearings, - where did y ou get your material for the bearings. I'm assuming you used sleeved (flang ed) bearing but I can only find stuff that's 1 1/2" long. Was thinking it s hould be the entire hub length. > > Tom B. > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 23, 2012
Subject: Re: Kevin
Kevin and Shelly, Along with all the other offers please holler if I can do anything. (Tricare, TXARNG, or help unload.) I will be moving to San Antonio sometime in August (hopefully the 12th or so) and will contact you then. You are both in my prayers. Call or email if you need anything.- Blue Skies, Steve D 580-484-1024 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "woodflier(at)aol.com" <woodflier(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 24, 2012
Subject: Kevin
Just adding our thoughts and prayers. Matt and Lynne Paxton Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings
I bought my bronze, flanged, oilite bearings from McMaster Carr.- I made my own hubs with no oil/grease cup. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kevin
From: "Larry Vetter" <vetter(at)evertek.net>
Date: Jul 24, 2012
Thoughts and prayers for Kevin, Shelly and their family...Also for Kevin's full recovery.....Really sorry to hear this news..... Larry & Sheri Vetter Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379084#379084 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: prop clearence
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Jul 24, 2012
Model A and 76" prop.....9 inches .. jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379085#379085 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2012
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Kevin
Kevin and Shelly: I was greatly saddened to hear of the accident. My ride with Kevin in FBG remains one of the high points in my aviation career and I would dearly love to repeat it one day in SpaceShip0.1. I have been praying for Kevin's speedy recovery and for your peace of mind and will continue to do so. The legend of Axel Purdy will only grow with this latest saga. Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Thank you
Hi Shelley, Just read email and saw messages about Kevin. Please know that Arlene and I will keep you and Kevin in our prayers and hope for a speedy recovery. Jim Boyer ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kevin
From: "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com>
Date: Jul 24, 2012
Kevin & Shelly, Our thoughts and prayers are with you. We pray for a full recovery. Joshua was sad to hear about this - you gave him his very first airplane ride ever on Saturday. He's one sad 18 year old right now. Lorin Miller and Lance Miller "The Iowa Boys" -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379095#379095 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kevin Purtee Update
Hi Shelley, That is wonderful news, wish I were there to see Kevin right now. Please tell Kevin Arlene and I are praying for him and want him to be well soon. Jim Boyer ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings
From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 24, 2012
was wondering what the advantage of bronze over modern bearings. thanks; Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379124#379124 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings
Date: Jul 24, 2012
Weight Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2012, at 5:14 PM, "nightmare" wrote: > > was wondering what the advantage of bronze over modern bearings. thanks; Paul > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379124#379124 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings
Date: Jul 24, 2012
for me=2C I'm milling out the hubs and I want to remove as little material as possible. But weight as said previously is also a good reason. Also=2C inexpensive. > From: jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings > Date: Tue=2C 24 Jul 2012 18:06:28 -0500 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > Weight > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 24=2C 2012=2C at 5:14 PM=2C "nightmare" wrote: > oo.com> > > > > was wondering what the advantage of bronze over modern bearings. thanks =3B Paul > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379124#379124 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings
Date: Jul 24, 2012
ALL bearings in this thing are bronze journal bearings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP1_4ymsIig&feature=relmfu Also don't forget the engine in your car and plane. journal bearings again. Clif > > > was wondering what the advantage of bronze over modern bearings. thanks; > Paul ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings
From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 24, 2012
Because motorcycle wheels are taller, they already have much less rolling resistance than short wheels like Cubs and such use, there is no need for the reduced friction of roller or ball bearings in the hubs of motorcycle wheels. It also eliminated the need for threading the ends of the axles for the adjusting/retaining nuts required by ball or roller bearings. And at the low speeds they're used at on an airplane, bronze with some grease in the hub is more than adequate. -------- Billy McCaskill Baker, LA tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379136#379136 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead report
From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 24, 2012
Dan's report on this year's reunion was spot-on! All who were present missed those of you who were not, and we all had a great time reuniting with each other and meeting new faces that go with the names on the Matronics list. This was my 4th consecutive trip, and I certainly plan to be there next year as well. Dan certainly made up for lost time when he started giving the rides in his gorgeous airplane, and I was fortunate to get two flights in it this past weekend. Thanks Dan, it was fabulous! And thanks to Shelley for playing den mother to the rest of us misfits and infidels who camped in the cove, you took great care of all of us. A great time was had by all, and I'm counting the days until Brodhead 2013! -------- Billy McCaskill Baker, LA tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379137#379137 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Ford Engine Conversion
From: "flyingbrick" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca>
Date: Jul 25, 2012
I just bought a Model A engine for my project. The engine is in good working order and clean as a whistle. So now I am starting to analyze what needs to be done. I guess I am wondering what deviations from the plans are common. For example, what mag is commonly used? And are we still using shoe leather for the coupling? Or is there a trick set up? I am sure I want to do some improvements (i.e. Ron Kelly) to improve HP. Insert bearings and so forth. Heads . . . Modified for aircraft plugs? Which ones? Aircraft carb? Any pointers or suggestions would be great. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379148#379148 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kevin Purtee Update
From: "scudrun" <jstreet(at)uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Jul 25, 2012
I don't really know anyone here yet but I read the news and just want to say I'm sorry to hear about the accident but also glad it sounds like Kevin is doing alright. I hope he and the airplane are back flying again soon. Best regards Joe Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379150#379150 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings
From: "scudrun" <jstreet(at)uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Jul 25, 2012
I took the cub style wheels off my Piet on the weekend and had a look at the axles. They are 1-1/2" diameter and 5-3/4" from the end to the outside face of the brake shoe mounting plate. If I remove the plate I gain 1/16" at the axle, but the shoes extend out about 3/4" so if I want to use these brakes I have only about 4" length to use between the plates that get drilled for the spokes. From what I gather that is not enough. I would really like to be able to make hubs that fit the existing axles without modifying them. What I have been thinking about is getting rid of the hydraulic brakes and fitting the mechanical band brakes that I saw discussed on this forum. I'm thinking that I could design a hub which has a larger diameter flange at the inside end which could act as both a place to attach the spokes and also the brake drum protruding in the direction of the landing gear struts and weld a bracket to the strut to hold the brake band. This would require that all the spokes be inserted from the hub end toward the center rather than alternating over/under as I typically see with spoked wheels. If I take this approach the hub end of the spokes can be basically 5-3/4" apart. Is this enough? Can anybody here see a problem with this idea? Any comments about the band brakes too would be appreciated, are they strong enough to allow a decent run up, do they tend to grab when used? Thanks for any insight anyone can offer. Joe Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379151#379151 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 25, 2012
Subject: Re: Kevin Purtee Update
In a message dated 7/25/2012 8:33:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jstreet(at)uwaterloo.ca writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "scudrun" I don't really know anyone here yet but I read the news and just want to say I'm sorry to hear about the accident but also glad it sounds like Kevin is doing alright. I hope he and the airplane are back flying again soon. Best regards Joe Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379150#379150 Have been off the net for sometime. Would someone be so kind as to give me the particulars of Kevin Purtee's plight. Corky ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 25, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings
Hello Joe. You say you took the Cub style wheels off...do you have the Cub style landing gear or the straight, Jenny style? Attached are two pictures showing you how I fabricated my hubs to use band brakes. What you see is what you had described doing...large enough inside flange to accommodate spokes and drum.- The second picture shows the flan ged bronze bushings and 4" brake drum in place. Note that the existing larg e center hole in the brake drum fits nicely around the flange bushing.- T he entire assembly is a nice little package.- As you can see, I have my s pokes "over/under" on the hubs. Make the flange large enough so the spokes will fit well outside the brake drum.- (Not clear why you feel the spokes all need to be fitted one way only.)- I had asked about the type of landing gear used because you comment about w elding the bracket for the band itself on to the "strut". I can't picture w hat you mean here.- My band bracket is welded to the axle...which I under stand you have a limited amount of room on. The going agreement about hub width for brakes on a straight axle/Jenny lan ding geared Pietenpol is 6".- My plane is not flying so I can't comment on the holding power. My brakes a re solely designed to prevent the plane from rolling into other planes, fue l pumps, people, etc. between engine shut down and chocks.- If they hold well enough to do a mag. check, that will be a bonus! One thing to consider is wheel diameter. With small 6"-8" wheels/tires, the brakes may hold quite well. With the large wheels, (mine are 21")- there is a lot more mechanical advantage the brakes need to overcome. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings
From: "scudrun" <jstreet(at)uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Jul 25, 2012
Hi Michael This is pretty much what I had in mind except I had envisioned making the inner flange only large enough to encompass the bolt circle for the brake drum and drilling the spoke hole circle within this so that the spoke heads are countersunk under the brake drum. Your way of mounting the spokes on a larger diameter circle allows the inner/outer lacing. Maybe I'll do that too. I can't find any information on what size hole for what gauge spoke but I gather most people are using 8 or 9 gauge. I'm not sure what you mean by cub vs jenny style axles. Here is a couple of photos of the plane if that helps. Joe Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379159#379159 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imgp0773_168.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/imgp0811_979.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 25, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings
Pictures are great. I just did not want to assume what type of gear you had , I see clearly now what you have and what you want to do. I don't know if there is any harm lacing spokes all from one side of the hu b. I have seen it done before, but I BELIEVE only on non-brake wheels. I kn ow you need the cross lacing for brakes, just not clear on the over-under. - I had one wheel loose-laced and it was returned to me with the over/und er so I copied that on the other wheel assembly. You will need some clearance between the brake drum and hub for the band it self. The band is wider than the drum. I had to use two washers under my dr um at each bolt location to provide room between the band and the spokes. - The drum fit fine with no washers...just mounted directly on the hub, b ut when I had the band positioned over the drum, the band rubbed the spokes .- I did not want to move the band itself away from the spokes because th en it would not grab the entire width of the drum.-- If you lace all your spokes from the inside, you may not have a rubbing iss ue. But, again, I am not sure if lacing that way is good or bad. There are a lot of "weird" loads on spoked wheels...more so with an airplan e because of side loading...crabbed landings as an example.- Brake loads add to the equation.- If you research the DOs and DON'Ts on lacing spokes the way you mention, please advise us...I would like to know what you find . You have the Cub style gear. Other Pietenpols use the straight axle...the a xle is a long straight piece of pipe braced with wood struts. This is a typ ical Jenny type style. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings
From: "scudrun" <jstreet(at)uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Jul 25, 2012
I checked with Buchanan's and you are correct that inside/outside lacing is needed when brakes are used. The reason is that with brakes the spokes have to be cross laced to take the torsional load. Lacing in alternating inside/outside pattern allows clearance for the spokes to criss cross without interference. All one side spokes would interfere. If there are no brakes the spokes can go radially from the hub to rim and don't have to criss cross so they can be laced all from one side. I was looking at SS tube/pipe sizes and I think I will go with a sched 80 1-1/2 in. pipe which is 1.900 in. OD and 0.200 in. wall which will allow for machining the inside to 1.750 in. for the bushings and leave 0.075 in. wall thickness. Looks like you went with stainless as well. Nice job! I hope I end up with something as nice as those. Joe Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379178#379178 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kevin Purtee Update part Deaux
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 25, 2012
Awesome news Shelley! God is an AWESOME God! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379184#379184 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kevin Purtee Update part Deaux
From: "proplock" <proplock(at)federatedwildblue.com>
Date: Jul 25, 2012
Good news, sent prayers, blessings to both of you. Glad to see the Piet community is alive and well, great group. Kevin: keep'em moving !!!! -------- A remarkable lad , capable of many things Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379186#379186 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: The Accident
Date: Jul 25, 2012
Now that things have kind of settled down a bit, could someone let the list members know what happened. All I ever saw was that there was an accident. What was it? Automobile? airplane? What happened? How did it happen? Chuck ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 25, 2012
Subject: Re: The Accident
From: Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com>
What has been said is that there was an accident as Kevin was departing Brodhead Texas bound. Although many of us are curious, I think it would be a good idea to respect the requests to keep speculation and discussion and particulars of the accident offline; Indefinitely perhaps, but certainly until the officials have done their work. The eyewitnesses have been very circumspect in this regard. I intend to suspend my curiosity until an appropriate time. Andrew Eldredge Provo, UT On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:27 PM, C N Campbell wrote: > ** > Now that things have kind of settled down a bit, could someone let the > list members know what happened. All I ever saw was that there was an > accident. What was it? Automobile? airplane? What happened? How did it > happen? Chuck > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 26, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kevin Purtee Update part Deaux
Fantastic Shelley, so glad Kevin is doing so well. We will continue to keep you and Kevin in our prayers; and yes our God is an awesome God. Jim and Arlene ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Hacked Email Address
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 25, 2012
Please do not send the thousands of dollars that my Email address is asking to send, I'm not in Spain, I did not lose my wallet nor phone. The crafty hacker accessed my Email address and changed the password which made it very difficult thing to stop the vulture from sending to my contacts . My new address will be forth-coming.or sent to those that want to contact me, When asks to correct or verify your Address DO NOT respond, delete, Pieti Lowell Don't archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379195#379195 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 26, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings
Buchanan's people are great to work with. -It makes total sense now...with needing the spokes over/under for cleara nce...not sure why I didn't figure that out up front! (Doh) My hubs are 100% S.S.- The flanges are 3/16" thick. -I wanted to make sure the bearings would not rotate inside the hub, so I machined the SS tube and then heated it with a torch and chilled the beari ngs.- It was a very tight fit...too tight...I should have machined just a tad more. My point is at that stage of the fabrication, take your time and have the bearings in hand so you can measure and fit them as you like. You will need to countersink the spoke holes on both sides of the flanges. Larger counter bores for the spoke heads and slightly smaller ones on the o pposite side for clearance for the spoke bend. If you look close you will n otice my counter bores alternate large, small, large, etc., that is for the over/under spoke orientation.- Having said all that, if I had to do it a gain, I would make all the counter bores the same size...large. I would love to see in work and finished photos as you go, either here or o ff list.- If you need any other help, just let me know. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cause of NX899KP incident
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 26, 2012
Thanks Shelley...... Kevin and I have only touched base on this forum a few times yet I appreciate all you both are doing for the greater Pietenpol community - THANKS.... and wishes for Kevin's speedy recovery..... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379229#379229 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 26, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Cause of NX899KP incident
Hi Shelley, Thank you for the update on Kevin and info on the accident. I think it is due to strength of the Piet that Kevin was not more seriously hurt. That strong wing absorbed much of the impact. Tell Kevin that femurs heal pretty fast; next time I see him we can compare notes. Really good to hear he is improving and is being moved out of ICU. Tell Kevin Hi and we will keep you both in our prayers. All our best Jim and Arlene ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 26, 2012
Subject: Kevin Purtee accident Operation Axel Launch
Hello Good People Every once in a while we are given a unique opportunity to demonstrate our commitment to one and other. That opportunity has once again presented itself, I am pleased, proud and honored to once again be privileged in bringing this unique opportunity to you. As you are aware well aware by now, our good friend and valued member of our group, Kevin Purtee was life flighted to the hospital following the crash of his Pietenpol aircamper FBG. Sunday following the Brodhead flyin as Kevin attempted to take off for home. His aircraft developed engine trouble, lost power at or about an altitude of 200=99 AGL. The aircraft plummeted to the ground with K evin at the controls. He landed nose first into the adjacent cornfield and had to be c ut out of his Piet by chainsaw and transported to the Monroe Wisconsin hospi tal by Life Flight. Shelley has been keeping us informed of his medical condition and progress which is very encouraging following the two surgeries. Like everyone else, I have been monitoring his progress and the emails through the board to Shelley offering prayers and assistance. Thank God for his recovery as thi ngs could have easily turned for the worst we are fortunate to have Kevin on the mend. We still have no idea of FBG's condition but I would be certain she is not as healthy as Kevin=99s and will need extensive surgery t o get her back in flying shape. Which brings to the point of this writing, we have no idea as to insurance coverages for Kevin=99s medical bills and or for FBG will be? I can however, assure you they will be both be high and not fully covered by insurance. I am asking each one of our members and those of this Pietenpol flying and building family to look into your hearts and wallets for a contribution to the Kevin & FBG recovery fund. For the next 7 days Ryan Mueller will be accepting the love offerings and gifts for Kevin to help with any residual costs arising from a crash, one that could have easily taken his life. Ryan will explain how the funds can be presented and will keep track of all cash, checks, credit card and payp al transfers into a special account on behalf of Kevin. Ryan will keep in confidence the names, amounts and identities of all contributors unless directed to do so by the contributors. Many of you/us old timers have done this once before with great success, I am hoping we, the collective we, can once again join together in making the magic of the lightning striking again with a successful fund drive on behalf of Kevin, Shelley and Fat Bottom Girl. Your group representatives include Ryan Mueller a talented and experienced e commerce accountant of former fame, myself (the mouth) a not so talented and the ever so lovely Dan Helsper who is new to the fund raiser group and not as good looking as the former but talented and good hearted none the less, the sponsor and driving force behind this movement, thank you Dan. You my friends unfortunately will be subjected to my constant emails asking for your generosity in sharing your resources in the Love gifts for the next 7 days. I will turn the explanation of the mechanics of funds to Ryan who will instruct you on how to make your pledges and contributions to the Operatio n Axel fund for lack of a better name. I want to thank you all in advance for your contributions and prayers which are both essential and appreciated. Sincerely, John Recine ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 26, 2012
Subject: Re: Kevin Purtee accident Operation Axel Launch
*****PLEASE NOTE***** I have setup an email account entitled "operationaxel(at)gmail.com" for this effort. Instructions for how to contribute will be coming from this address, not my personal. Please also direct any communication regarding Operation Axel to that address (helps me keep things separate on my end). Thank you Dan for the genesis of the idea for this effort, and John for helping flesh it out. As John indicated, I will be handling the logistics of collection, tracking, and ultimately distribution of the contributions. *****IMPORTANT***** I ask that everyone please be patient, and do not do anything just yet. I am up at Oshkosh (with no computer) and will be heading back home at daybreak tomorrow, arriving back home around midday. I want to test the various accounts to ensure there are no snafus, and then I will send out instructions on how to contribute to this most worthwhile effort. In the meantime, keep sending prayers for Kevin and Shelley, and please consider being part of demonstrating the kindness and generosity of our wonderful Pietenpol community by joining us in this effort. Thank you for your patience, Ryan Sent from my iPhone On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:15 PM, "AMsafetyC(at)aol.com" wrote : Hello Good People Every once in a while we are given a unique opportunity to demonstrate our commitment to one and other. That opportunity has once again presented itself, I am pleased, proud and honored to once again be privileged in bringing this unique opportunity to you. As you are aware well aware by now, our good friend and valued member of our group, Kevin Purtee was life flighted to the hospital following the crash of his Pietenpol aircamper FBG. Sunday following the Brodhead flyin as Kevin attempted to take off for home. His aircraft developed engine trouble, lost power at or about an altitude of 200=92 AGL. The aircraft plummeted to the ground with Kevin at the controls. He landed nose first into the adjacent cornfield and had to be cut out of his Piet by chainsaw and transported to the Monroe Wisconsin hospital by Life Flight. Shelley has been keeping us informed of his medical condition and progress which is very encouraging following the two surgeries. Like everyone else, I have been monitoring his progress and the emails through the board to Shelley offering prayers and assistance. Thank God for his recovery as things could have easily turned for the worst we are fortunate to have Kevin on the mend. We still have no idea of FBG's condition but I would be certain she is not as healthy as Kevin=92s and will need extensive surgery to get her back in flying shape. Which brings to the point of this writing, we have no idea as to insurance coverages for Kevin=92s medical bills and or for FBG will be? I can however , assure you they will be both be high and not fully covered by insurance. I am asking each one of our members and those of this Pietenpol flying and building family to look into your hearts and wallets for a contribution to the Kevin & FBG recovery fund. For the next 7 days Ryan Mueller will be accepting the love offerings and gifts for Kevin to help with any residual costs arising from a crash, one that could have easily taken his life. Ryan will explain how the funds can be presented and will keep track of all cash, checks, credit card and paypal transfers into a special account on behalf of Kevin. Ryan will keep in confidence the names, amounts and identities of all contributors unless directed to do so by the contributors. Many of you/us old timers have done this once before with great success, I am hoping we, the collective we, can once again join together in making the magic of the lightning striking again with a successful fund drive on behalf of Kevin, Shelley and Fat Bottom Girl. Your group representatives include Ryan Mueller a talented and experienced e commerce accountant of former fame, myself (the mouth) a not so talented and the ever so lovely Dan Helsper who is new to the fund raiser group and not as good looking as the former but talented and good hearted none the less, the sponsor and driving force behind this movement, thank you Dan. You my friends unfortunately will be subjected to my constant emails asking for your generosity in sharing your resources in the Love gifts for the next 7 days. I will turn the explanation of the mechanics of funds to Ryan who will instruct you on how to make your pledges and contributions to the Operation Axel fund for lack of a better name. I want to thank you all in advance for your contributions and prayers which are both essential and appreciated. Sincerely, John Recine * * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kevin Purtee Update part Deaux
From: "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 26, 2012
Shelly, Can you PM me with a phone#? I live in Ft Atkinson and have time to stop up this evening if Kevin is up to taking visitors. Mike Cushway -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379260#379260 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 26, 2012
Subject: Re: Kevin Purtee accident Operation Axel Launch
No problem Jim, I am certain Kevin has already rebuilt her in his head already so it would no far stretch in that hes got a basic list of parts, assemblies and materials already listed in his head. Along with a basic rebuild plan of action. As soon as hes ready I am sure hell be in touch to place his parts order. Thanks on behalf of Kevin, Shelley and FBG John ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 26, 2012
Subject: Greenlee email address
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
I'm trying to reach John Greenlee. If anyone has contact info (esp. an email address) for him, I'd appreciate having it sent to me off-line. Thanks, Ken ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "woodflier(at)aol.com" <woodflier(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 26, 2012
Subject: Piet damaged in storm at OSH
My Piet pulled the tie down stakes up on Thursday's storm and the airplane was pushed backwards into a parked car. Left stabilizer damaged aft of the spar. EAA is letting me use its woo shop and emergency repair volunteers helping. Think I'm going to experiment with exterior latex housepaint to finish it, at least to fly home. Hope to be airworthy by Sunday. Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 27, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kevin Purtee accident Operation Axel Launch
=C2- No problem Jim, I am certain Kevin has already rebuilt her in his head alre ady so it would no far stretch in that hes got a basic list of parts, assem blies and materials already listed in his head. Along with a basic rebuild plan of action. As soon as hes ready I am sure hell be in touch to place his parts order. Thanks on behalf of Kevin, Shelley and FBG John Good John, I'll be waiting to hear what the plan is. Cheers, Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 27, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Piet damaged in storm at OSH
Hi Gary, this is what I got: My Piet pulled the tie down stakes up on Thursday's storm and the airplane was pushed backwards into a parked car. Left stabilizer damaged aft of the spar. EAA is letting me use its woo shop and emergency repair volunteers helping. Think I'm going to experiment with exterior latex housepaint to finish it, at least to fly home. Hope to be airworthy by Sunday. Cheers, Jim B. PS Welcome home ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: plANS
From: "gdloucks" <gdloucks65(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 26, 2012
LOOKING FOR GN-1 PLANS/PROJECT 160292363 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379302#379302 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 27, 2012
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....?
I haven't heard if Kevin is planning to rebuild or not. I would hope he's focusing on other things right now and isn't even be thinking about it. And I don't want to bother him with anything but getting well at this point. But..... If and when the time comes that he commits to a rebuild (maybe he already has), I would like to make sure he has a head start....so I'm going to gather up materials that could be used to kick start the process. I have some small streamline tubing that will be perfect for cabanes (if needed). I know there's lots of other stuff (in ALL of our workshops!) to throw in so I'm gonna start a list from my shop. And I'll bet YOU have parts/materials you could throw in.... To help us start a list of what we have, I've setup an email address. This will help us keep "the list" in one central location. Send a note to fbg_parts(at)mindspring.com. Then if and when Kevin's next chapter is a rebuild, we'll be ready. Of course it's more important for us to focus primarily on the effort John R and Ryan M have started. But it won't take much to look around and send a quick note listing parts you might be able to provide. fbg_parts(at)mindspring.com Jim in Pryor....very happy to see Kevin making great progress! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....?
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jul 27, 2012
Shelley, if you guys would like a set of control horns, I've got extras. They're yours if you want 'em. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379329#379329 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Brodhead Pics
From: "cjborsuk" <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 27, 2012
Enjoy! Chuck Raleigh NC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379332#379332 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2012_07_20_yo5_640x428_583.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2012_07_20_dan_y_and_kevin_p_in_a_daring_low_pass_640x428_141.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2012_07_20_dan_and_wayne_640x428_896.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2012_07_20_dan_640x428_105.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2012_07_20_brodhead_airport_from_dans_plane_640x428_108.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2012_07_20_b_640x428_801.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2012_07_20_072111_640x428_197.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2012_07_20_063447_640x429_329.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2012_07_20_062807_640x471_950.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2012_07_19_dan_kevin_wayne_shelly_640x428_192.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 27, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Engine Valve Leak Test
I assume while setting up my cylinders for the valve leak test, the test is performed with the valves springs in place? If any do not understand what I am doing...I have heard a good way to check valve seat seal is to turn the cylinder upside down and fill it with a liquid. Should there be minimal leakage or none? Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Abramson" <davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com>
Subject: Brodhead Pics
Date: Jul 27, 2012
was that Chad Willie of St Croix Aircraft with his Beleriot??????? Awesome!!! Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of cjborsuk Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 10:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Pics Enjoy! Chuck Raleigh NC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379332#379332 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2012_07_20_yo5_640x428_583.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2012_07_20_dan_y_and_kevin_p_in_a_daring_ low_pass_640x428_141.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2012_07_20_dan_and_wayne_640x428_896.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2012_07_20_dan_640x428_105.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2012_07_20_brodhead_airport_from_dans_pla ne_640x428_108.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2012_07_20_b_640x428_801.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2012_07_20_072111_640x428_197.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2012_07_20_063447_640x429_329.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2012_07_20_062807_640x471_950.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2012_07_19_dan_kevin_wayne_shelly_640x428 _192.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 27, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....?
Hi Jim, Sounds like a good plan; I will check my parts supply and see what I could add. Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 27, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....?
Like Gary said; best news I have heard today. FBG will be the Phoenix for Piets. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 27, 2012
Subject: PLEASE READ - How to Contribute to "Operation Axel" -
PLEASE READ
From: Operation Axel <operationaxel(at)gmail.com>
Good afternoon Ladies and Gents, As promised, we are now setup to receive contributions to Operation Axel! We are able to receive your generous contributions via the following methods: mail, and Paypal. Please continue to read on for the particulars for each method.... ***Mail***: You may send a check (personal, cashier's, money order, etc) to the address provided below. Upon receipt of the contribution I will deposit the check into the bank account that is solely being used for the purpose of collecting contributions to Operation Axel. I will log the contributor's information and the amount in my records, and notify the sender that their generous contribution has been received. The mailing address is as follows: Ryan Mueller 407 W Park St Apt #3 Urbana, IL 61801 ***Paypal*** You may also use Paypal to submit your contribution. When submitting via Paypal you should be able to transfer money directly from your bank account, from your Paypal balance, or send with a credit or debit card (depending on how you have your account configured). Just login to your Paypal account, choose Send Money, Personal, and Gift (see the attached picture for an example). When sending your contribution via Paypal, send it to the following address: operationaxel(at)gmail.com PLEASE NOTE: If you choose to pay for your contribution with a credit or debit card, Paypal will charge a fee (2.9% of the total amount, plus $0.30). If you choose to pay for the fee it will add the fee to your contribution amount, and charge that total to your card. For example, if you contribute $100, the fee would come to $3.20. Your card would be charged a total of $103.20, ensuring that Operation Axel receives the intended contribution of $100. Alternatively, you can choose to have the fee taken out of your contribution. Your card would be charged $100, and Operation Axel would receive your contribution minus the fee; in this case $96.80. You obviously may do as you wish, just please be aware of the difference between those choices. Having your contribution sent from your bank account or Paypal balance will not charge a fee. Just like the contributions submitted via mail, once a contribution has been received via Paypal I will log the contributor's information and the amount in my records, and notify the sender that their generous contribution has been received. -------------------------------------------- Thank you all for your patience while I confirmed that all systems were functioning properly. I look forward to being swamped with a generous outpouring of support for Kevin and Shelley from our wonderful Pietenpol and aviation community! Ryan Mueller ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 27, 2012
Subject: Re: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....?
Does anyone else remember "Coy Worrell" the cousin of Ernest Worell (A Character done by Jim Varney.) Coy (A redneck mechanic) turns and says: "Hey boys, go get them parts out of the dumpster! Here comes a city boy with credit cards a bulging." So stop the trash truck and save them parts. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> Date: Friday, July 27, 2012 10:22 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....? > > I haven't heard if Kevin is planning to rebuild or not. I would hope he's focusing on other things right now and isn't even be thinking about > it. And I don't want to bother him with anything but getting well > at this point. > > But..... > > If and when the time comes that he commits to a rebuild (maybe he > already has), I would like to make sure he has a head start....so > I'm going to gather up materials that could be used to kick start > the process. I have some small streamline tubing that will be > perfect for cabanes (if needed). I know there's lots of other > stuff (in ALL of our workshops!) to throw in so I'm gonna start a > list from my shop. > > And I'll bet YOU have parts/materials you could throw in.... > > To help us start a list of what we have, I've setup an email > address. This will help us keep "the list" in one central location. > > Send a note to fbg_parts(at)mindspring.com. Then if and when > Kevin's next chapter is a rebuild, we'll be ready. > > Of course it's more important for us to focus primarily on the > effort John R and Ryan M have started. But it won't take much to > look around and send a quick note listing parts you might be able > to provide. > > fbg_parts(at)mindspring.com > > > Jim in Pryor....very happy to see Kevin making great progress! > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 27, 2012
Subject: ADDENDUM: "How to Contribute to "Operation Axel"
From: Operation Axel <operationaxel(at)gmail.com>
My apologies.....completely forgot: if you are going to mail your contribution in via check, I would appreciate it if you would shoot me a quick email at operationaxel(at)gmail.com and let me know the amount, and that it will be on it's way. Doing so will allow me to know what should be coming my way, and if for some reason the USPS loses or fails to deliver the check I can let you know, and we can go from there. Thank you! Ryan On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Operation Axel wrote: > Good afternoon Ladies and Gents, > > As promised, we are now setup to receive contributions to Operation Axel! > We are able to receive your generous contributions via the following > methods: mail, and Paypal. Please continue to read on for the particulars > for each method.... > > ***Mail***: > You may send a check (personal, cashier's, money order, etc) to the > address provided below. Upon receipt of the contribution I will deposit the > check into the bank account that is solely being used for the purpose of > collecting contributions to Operation Axel. I will log the contributor's > information and the amount in my records, and notify the sender that their > generous contribution has been received. The mailing address is as follows: > > Ryan Mueller > 407 W Park St > Apt #3 > Urbana, IL 61801 > > ***Paypal*** > You may also use Paypal to submit your contribution. When submitting via > Paypal you should be able to transfer money directly from your bank > account, from your Paypal balance, or send with a credit or debit card > (depending on how you have your account configured). Just login to your > Paypal account, choose Send Money, Personal, and Gift (see the attached > picture for an example). When sending your contribution via Paypal, send it > to the following address: > > operationaxel(at)gmail.com > > PLEASE NOTE: If you choose to pay for your contribution with a credit or > debit card, Paypal will charge a fee (2.9% of the total amount, plus > $0.30). If you choose to pay for the fee it will add the fee to your > contribution amount, and charge that total to your card. For example, if > you contribute $100, the fee would come to $3.20. Your card would be > charged a total of $103.20, ensuring that Operation Axel receives the > intended contribution of $100. Alternatively, you can choose to have the > fee taken out of your contribution. Your card would be charged $100, and > Operation Axel would receive your contribution minus the fee; in this case > $96.80. You obviously may do as you wish, just please be aware of the > difference between those choices. > > Having your contribution sent from your bank account or Paypal balance > will not charge a fee. Just like the contributions submitted via mail, once > a contribution has been received via Paypal I will log the contributor's > information and the amount in my records, and notify the sender that their > generous contribution has been received. > > -------------------------------------------- > > Thank you all for your patience while I confirmed that all systems were > functioning properly. I look forward to being swamped with a generous > outpouring of support for Kevin and Shelley from our wonderful Pietenpol > and aviation community! > > Ryan Mueller > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....?
From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 27, 2012
Okay I was trying to figure out what I might have to add to the list- I have a beautiful aluminum nose tank.not sure if it will fit as it was made for the lowly GN-1 I got from D.J. ,but if it does let me know and it's yours Kevin. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379351#379351 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kevin Purtee Update part Deaux
From: "at7000ft" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 27, 2012
Great news Shelley, and Kevin will continue receiving our prayers from Colorado. Rick Holland -------- Rick Holland Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379359#379359 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Parts
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 27, 2012
Hi Jim, I have a slew of extra AN bols, nuts, washers, etc., left over from my buil d. I will prepare a "grab bag" of misc AN hardware . I am sure that Kevin w ould be able to use at least some of it. How will it work? Let me know the details. You are a saint! Dan H Hi Jim, I have a slew of extra AN bols, nuts, washers, etc., left over from my buil d. I will prepare a "grab bag" of misc AN hardware . I am sure that Kevin w ould be able to use at least some of it. How will it work? Let me know the details. You are a saint! Dan H ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....?
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 27, 2012
IT Girl wrote: > Are you kidding?? of course we will rebuild... I am going to use it as his rehab! I want to see how fast we can be flying again.... this time... 3 piece wing.... > > Man! I get to pick the clothes! > > You guys are the best Shelley: If you can use a work table.16 Feet Long X 36" wide, it is yours. Getting it to you might be a problem, unless some kind person can transport it. Come-on Brent ( Fed Ex ) trucker. you got space. From Palmyra WI 88C. Pieti Lowell- Mr Ben there done that-guy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379364#379364 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 27, 2012
Subject: Parts
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
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From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 27, 2012
Subject: Re: Kevin Purtee Update 7/27/2012
> Poor man is exhausted. (he is napping now) Sure, I believe you! Ever since I was a young infantryman aviators have been telling me that they can't fly me back. Crew Rest is the reason I have walked thousands of miles with a rucksack. This sounds like an elaborate plot so that Kevin can sleep while others load the equipment and get FBG shipped back! :+} Blue Skies, Steve E ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "woodflier(at)aol.com" <woodflier(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 27, 2012
Subject: Elevator progress report
Good day today. Got a new trailing edge and ribs aft of the spar glued in. All I have to do tomorrow is shape the corners and cover it. Should be able to fly out Sunday morning. Life is good! Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com>
Subject: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....?
Date: Jul 27, 2012
If he'd accept fir=2C I have several boards that could be used to build a f uselage=2C empenage=2C ribs=2C etc.. We'll have to see if someone can volu nteer a truck to round some of the big stuff up. Tom B. > Date: Fri=2C 27 Jul 2012 10:16:38 -0500 > From: jim_markle(at)mindspring.com > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....? > om> > > I haven't heard if Kevin is planning to rebuild or not. I would hope he' s focusing on other things right now and isn't even be thinking about it. And I don't want to bother him with anything but getting well at this point . > > But..... > > If and when the time comes that he commits to a rebuild (maybe he already has)=2C I would like to make sure he has a head start....so I'm going to g ather up materials that could be used to kick start the process. I have so me small streamline tubing that will be perfect for cabanes (if needed). I know there's lots of other stuff (in ALL of our workshops!) to throw in so I'm gonna start a list from my shop. > > And I'll bet YOU have parts/materials you could throw in.... > > To help us start a list of what we have=2C I've setup an email address. This will help us keep "the list" in one central location. > > Send a note to fbg_parts(at)mindspring.com. Then if and when Kevin's nex t chapter is a rebuild=2C we'll be ready. > > Of course it's more important for us to focus primarily on the effort Joh n R and Ryan M have started. But it won't take much to look around and sen d a quick note listing parts you might be able to provide. > > fbg_parts(at)mindspring.com > > > Jim in Pryor....very happy to see Kevin making great progress! > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 28, 2012
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Fri, 7/27 list of parts ready for FBG
In addition to what's been mentioned already here on the list, here's the list from fbg_parts(at)mindspring.com as of 7/27: Corvair heads Corvair case Lots of sheet metal Lots of round tube Some wood... 4 tcraft struts Extra AN bols, nuts, washers, etc., left over from my build. I will prepare a "grab bag" of misc AN hardware . a nice aluminum welded cowl or nose tank a set of Charlie Rubek ribs full set of control horns small Skytek aluminum tubing for cabanes Corvair case Crankshaft (condition unknown) Oil accessory case 2 sheets 0.062" 4130 steel More than enough 4130 sheet to fabricate any needed fittings, up to and including every fitting on a Pietenpol. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: wheels
Date: Jul 28, 2012
Jim, IF he needs new wheels I have two 21" alloy Sun rims (from Buchannans) with two smooth shaved motorcycle tires he can have, though I doubt his were hurt. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wheels
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 28, 2012
Douwe, Please contact me via email at mrkringles(at)msn.com Thanks, John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379411#379411 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....?
Date: Jul 28, 2012
Well, I hesitate to mention this because I think FBG had a widened fuselage, but in case FBG II is a standard width, I have a complete, beautifully fabricated set of Cub-style landing gear with Buchanan spoked wheels and mechanical brakes. It has the bungee shock struts but those could be converted to springs. This is the landing gear that came from Arlene Walsh's Aerial project and it is ready to bolt onto a fuselage. Also a Matco steerable tailwheel. These items could put a fuselage on the gear in just a short time. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Operation Axel
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 28, 2012
In the past several years, many of us have considered ourselves fortunate, to have encountered Kevin Purtee and Shelly Tumino. They both have impacted so many of us in a positive way, in so many respects, and to many are cons idered to be a treasured asset to us out here on the Piet list, not only be cause of the help and knowledge that they have conveyed, but the love, care , consideration, and generosity beyond the call of duty, that they have so freely given, to so many. We are all pulling for them now, in our collecti ve hearts, as we speak. Now I consider it an honor and privilege to be able to help out in a small way in this time of uncertainty. Just put my check in the mail to operationaxel. Get well soon my friend!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....?
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 28, 2012
Photo of the landing gear setup is attached. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379422#379422 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag0007_354.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 28, 2012
Subject: Operation Axel update
From: Operation Axel <operationaxel(at)gmail.com>
Hello good people, We have now marked the first 24 hours of Operation Axel, and in such a short period of time we find ourselves within a couple dollars of breaking through the four-figure dollar amount in contributions! Thank you very much to all who have so generously contributed thus far. Let's really kick this thing into high gear! Tell your neighbors, tell your friends....heck, tell your enemies, their contributions help just the same. :) Ryan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 28, 2012
Subject: Re: Operation Axel update
From: Operation Axel <operationaxel(at)gmail.com>
Outstanding! We have crested the $1,000 mark. Keep 'em coming!!! :) PLEASE NOTE: If you do send checks, please make them out to "Ryan Mueller"; that will ensure I can deposit them into the account we are using to collect contributions. Thanks! Ryan On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Operation Axel wrote: > Hello good people, > > We have now marked the first 24 hours of Operation Axel, and in such a > short period of time we find ourselves within a couple dollars of breaking > through the four-figure dollar amount in contributions! Thank you very much > to all who have so generously contributed thus far. Let's really kick this > thing into high gear! Tell your neighbors, tell your friends....heck, tell > your enemies, their contributions help just the same. :) > > Ryan > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 28, 2012
Subject: Re: "Homebuilts"
Gary, Not only do I agree but have advocated that same sentiment. They are all hand made works of art that just so happen to also fly. John ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Operation Axel
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 28, 2012
We appreciate your enthusiasm John, and I'm sure that Kevin and Shelly do as well. As for the slow pace of contributions, speaking solely for myself of course... I just returned from an 11-day trip... a trip that I save for all year. Having said that, I do indeed plan to assist in whatever way I can, but honestly, my liquid funds are somewhat depleted due to the trip. Some of our fellow Pieters are not even home yet, so lets give the 7-day plan time to materialize. I'll be in better shape to contribute by mid-week, and plan to do so. If you are comparing this effort to Markle-Mania, well, a couple of things are different... one, we had a target that needed to be achieved ($6k if I recall), and there was also a somewhat pressing time frame. If there are similar circumstances in this matter, perhaps making those points known would generate more of a sense of urgency. The most pressing concern is that Kevin get healthy, which he appears to be doing, thank God. If there is an urgent need for funds, perhaps we discover how to get things moving to Shelly ASAP (perhaps directly), but if we are going to do a 7-day marathon then let's allow everyone time to assess their resources and give the maximum that they can. As for the FBG_parts campaign, it is a totally separate issue to the monetary contributions. Is it premature? Perhaps by some people's estimate, but Jim's request wasn't for people to order parts, it was simply a call to look around for things, and he has caused many of us to look around our shops for items that we might donate... at a later time of course. Will it be Phase II, or III, or later? Not to sure, but whenever the time is right Jim will be able to provide Kevin and Shelly with a consolidated list of goodies that are available to them. I think it's a great idea. Heck, perhaps some of the group are strapped for cash at this point and time and could not give, but they may have useful items to offer. Does that meant that folks are helping in one way and not the other? I doubt that to be the case. It could be that we are all doing a greater service by looking at several areas that we may be able to assist as this chapter unfolds. Anyhow, let's be patient. We all know that this is a giving group, and several of the more capable members have already stepped forward to offer immediate assistance. The quality of people in our group really is amazing. Thanks for your efforts, and keep us posted! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379443#379443 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead report
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Jul 28, 2012
Dan, My grandson was one of your last rides on Friday evening and the smiles on his face told the whole story. You really touched the heart of this young man. I thank you so much for your generosity. -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379453#379453 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead report
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 28, 2012
I'm not sure how this works if you aren't a Facebook user, but it says that I can share my album with others. I hope those of you who are not on Facebook are able to view my photos using this link. Let us know if it works! http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2323577585783.65524.1739931453&type=3&l=86199cc2ac -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379454#379454 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: Brodhead report
Date: Jul 29, 2012
Mark, No problem. All looking good! Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2012 1:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead report I'm not sure how this works if you aren't a Facebook user, but it says that I can share my album with others. I hope those of you who are not on Facebook are able to view my photos using this link. Let us know if it works! http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2323577585783.65524.1739931453&type =3&l=86199cc2ac -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379454#379454 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead report
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 28, 2012
Hey, cool! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379457#379457 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Hello Good People
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 28, 2012
Will share more with you in the next day or 2. Today's first day I've had the energy to open the computer. My glasses hurt my broken nose. 1st: Thanks so much for all the support after the crash. Will address more of this later. 2nd: will add to Dan's report based on our time this year prior to the crash. 3rd: thanks for the offer of financial and other support. Very generous but please only give WHAT you can, IF you can, and if you WANT TO. You owe us nothing but your friendship, which you are already generous with. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379458#379458 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Hello Good People
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 28, 2012
Hey Kevin... great to see you up and around, so to speak. As you can tell, lots of people thinking of you guys... no real surprise there. Hope tomorrow is better than today! Get well soon buddy! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379461#379461 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: VRAP
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 29, 2012
If you qualify, this is an opportunity to learn some additional skills that could apply to building a Pietenpol. The list of High Demand Jobs is pretty extensive. Just Google VRAP if you want more information. Congress passed, and the President has signed into law, the VOW to Hire Heroes Act of 2011. Included in this new law is the Veterans Retraining Assistance Program (VRAP). VRAP offers up to 12 months of training assistance to unemployed Veterans. The VRAP offers 12 months of training assistance to Veterans who: Are at least 35 but no more than 60 years old Are unemployed on the date of application Received an other than dishonorable discharge Are not be eligible for any other VA education benefit program (e.g.: the Post-9/11 GI Bill, Montgomery GI Bill, Vocational Rehabilitation and Employment Assistance) Are not in receipt of VA compensation due to unemployability Are not enrolled in a federal or state job training program The program is limited to 45,000 participants from July 1, 2012, through September 30, 2012, and 54,000 participants from October 1, 2012, through March 31, 2014. Participants may receive up to 12 months of assistance equal to the monthly full-time payment rate under the Montgomery GI BillActive Duty program (currently $1,473 per month). DOL will offer employment assistance to every Veteran who participates upon completion of the program. Participants must be enrolled in a VA approved program of education offered by a community college or technical school. The program must lead to an Associate Degree, Non-College Degree, or a Certificate, and train the Veteran for a high demand occupation. http://benefits.va.gov/vow/docs/VRAP_High_Demand.pdf -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379466#379466 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 29, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Hello Good People
Hi Kevin, Boy good to see you are up and bout. It may be more than your glasses hurti ng your nose but so nice to know you will be well and=C2-continuing in th e Piet group. We do love you two. Jim=C2-and Arlene =C2-=C2- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: VRAP
Date: Jul 29, 2012
I don't know if this would apply, or if there are any eligible folks out there with ties to NE Ohio, but the community college where I teach ( Stark State College of Technology) has several programs that would definitely qualify - advanced energy systems technologies (we have a joint fuel cells research program with Rolls Royce on campus) and an accelerated certificate in welding (spurred by the needs of the local oil boom) are two that come to mind. There are others, like an environmental healthy & safety program and a first responders program (fire fighting & EMS) that also come to mind. Kip Gardner North Canton, OH On Jul 29, 2012, at 6:42 AM, John Francis wrote: > > > > If you qualify, this is an opportunity to learn some additional > skills that could apply to building a Pietenpol. The list of High > Demand Jobs is pretty extensive. Just Google VRAP if you want more > information. > > Congress passed, and the President has signed into law, the VOW to > Hire Heroes Act of 2011. Included in this new law is the Veterans > Retraining Assistance Program (VRAP). VRAP offers up to 12 months of > training assistance to unemployed Veterans. > > The VRAP offers 12 months of training assistance to Veterans who: > > Are at least 35 but no more than 60 years old > Are unemployed on the date of application > Received an other than dishonorable discharge > Are not be eligible for any other VA education benefit program > (e.g.: the Post-9/11 GI Bill, Montgomery GI Bill, Vocational > Rehabilitation and Employment Assistance) > Are not in receipt of VA compensation due to unemployability > Are not enrolled in a federal or state job training program > The program is limited to 45,000 participants from July 1, 2012, > through September 30, 2012, and 54,000 participants from October 1, > 2012, through March 31, 2014. Participants may receive up to 12 > months of assistance equal to the monthly full-time payment rate > under the Montgomery GI BillActive Duty program (currently $1,473 > per month). DOL will offer employment assistance to every Veteran > who participates upon completion of the program. > > Participants must be enrolled in a VA approved program of education > offered by a community college or technical school. The program must > lead to an Associate Degree, Non-College Degree, or a Certificate, > and train the Veteran for a high demand occupation. > > http://benefits.va.gov/vow/docs/VRAP_High_Demand.pdf > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379466#379466 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 29, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: "Homebuilts"
Could not agree more! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 29, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kevin Purtee Update 7/29/2012
That is good news Shelley and really great progress! - As opposed to posting on the other threads offering parts,-in fear of my post being lost in all the shuffle, I wanted to contact you and Kevin in a little more direct matter, so I'll use this thread. - I do not believe I have any pieces or parts I can donate at this time. (I a m convinced I'll part with something than realize I'll need it for my own b uild.)- However, I will offer my services...anything you may need fabrica ted, machined, welded, cut, etc, let me know.- Especially if you you need something custom made or...modified!- (Come awn now!) - Feel free to contact me directly. If I can "make" it happen, It's yours. - - ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 29, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: A-65 Valve Covers
Crew, I have a set of A-65 valve covers that have the flat flange that the bolts go through. I understand that there are also valve covers that have a n added lip or flange on that flat that helps keep the gasket from sliding around under it.- If anyone has-these covers and wants to sell them,- or knows where I might find-some, I would appreciate the help. - Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Hello Good People
From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jul 29, 2012
Great news! Glad you are up and about and recovering Well! Keep up the good work! Earl -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379480#379480 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Hello Good People
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Jul 29, 2012
Kevin, I just returned home from an extended trip which included Brodhead. It was a pleasure to meet you there for the first time and to see your airplane. It was also a shock to see on the list that you had had an accident. I am so glad that you are doing well and on the mend. Hang in there and keep a positive attitude as I know you will. I continue to send you positive thoughts and fully hope to meet you again at another Brodhead get together. -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379490#379490 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Brodhead report
Date: Jul 29, 2012
The link works great and gives us, who were unable to attend, a great feel f or what is was like to be there. Thank you for sharing with us all. Prayers for Kevin and Shelly! Jeff Wilson Fuse and 3 pc. wings done. A65. 19 in. Wire wheels. Progress stalled while I work on new (to me) hangar at H49. And coming rehab from new knee joint installation on Aug. 6th. Flying C-152 with windows open and using imagination. (that's not a yoke, it 's a stick) A mile of road will take you a mile, but a mile of runway will take you anywhere Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2012, at 10:57 PM, "K5YAC" wrote: > > I'm not sure how this works if you aren't a Facebook user, but it says tha t I can share my album with others. I hope those of you who are not on Fac ebook are able to view my photos using this link. > > Let us know if it works! > > http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2323577585783.65524.1739931453& type=3&l=86199cc2ac > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landin g Gear > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379454#379454 > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Jul 29, 2012
Jack, Just got home a couple of days ago and I am finally back on the computer. I want to thank you for the kind invitation to the Bratfest. My grandson and I thoroughly enjoyed ourselves. At 15 Eli is very much into food and it was a good opportunity for me to teach him some socialization skills. I also enjoyed putting faces with the names I see on the list. I hope to see you again at a future Brodhead gathering. -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379497#379497 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 29, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kevin Purtee Update 7/29/2012
Hi Shelley, Glad Kevin is doing so well and is getting able to get around now; that will make a big difference in how fast he is able to heal and get healthy again. Bill Cosby always talked about the elephants that were sneaking up on him or tried to get his kids to pull his finger; gaseous discharges you know! Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kevin Purtee Update 7/29/2012
Date: Jul 29, 2012
John Hofman and Chris Bobka visited Kevin earlier today and asked to have an update posted. Kevin is feeling well enough to complain about the food so he is scheduled to be discharged tomorrow. He will travel via Amtrak and be home within 24 hours. Shipping arrangements for FBG are in the works and she will arrive at her hangar soon. Greg Cardinal ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Tail wires and Turnbuckle
From: "FandS_Piet" <fkim79(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 29, 2012
Hey Guys, I am wondering if it is best or common practice to use 1x19 wire for the tail bracing. Thats what I want to use but it only seems to be available in 1/16th which doesnt give me a warm fuzzy feeling, and 1/8th which I think is too big. Im also worried about wrapping it around the thimble, if it is possible? Also turn buckle size. Long or short, or does it not matter? Are there any areas where the shorter turnbuckles dont allow for enough adjustment? Thanks -------- Fred Kim Pittsburgh, Pa Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379528#379528 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Tail wires and Turnbuckle
Date: Jul 29, 2012
Hi Fred, You will have a hard time bending 1X19 cable around a thimble. You can use swaged fittings and eliminate the thimble and nicopress sleeve. Finding someone with proper swaging tools can be a problem. 7X19 cable and nicopress fittings are common and acceptable. The tail bracing cables do their job in turbulent prop wash and they tend to vibrate. 1/16" cable wouldn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling either. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: "FandS_Piet" <fkim79(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 5:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires and Turnbuckle > > Hey Guys, > I am wondering if it is best or common practice to use 1x19 wire for the > tail bracing. Thats what I want to use but it only seems to be available > in 1/16th which doesnt give me a warm fuzzy feeling, and 1/8th which I > think is too big. Im also worried about wrapping it around the thimble, > if it is possible? > > Also turn buckle size. Long or short, or does it not matter? Are there > any areas where the shorter turnbuckles dont allow for enough adjustment? > > Thanks > > -------- > Fred Kim > Pittsburgh, Pa > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379528#379528 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tail wires and Turnbuckle
From: "Larry V" <larryvangerven(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 29, 2012
Hello Fred, I had the same questions awhile back and with some advice from Bill Church and Mike Cuy, I went with 3/32 wire and the 130-16s turnbuckle assembly and it worked out perfect. I ordered everything from aircraft spruce including the wire cutters and swagger. If you want the part #s for the cutter and swagger email me at larryvangerven(at)hotmail.com Take care Larry V Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379532#379532 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: I've bought a Piet!
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 29, 2012
Peter, I've been told that your package has been shipped. I have been out of town, so I'm not sure when it actually departed, but I suspect that you do not have it yet. David from Viking Packing tells me that he e-mailed me some photos, but they went to my work e-mail, which I currently do not have access to. I'll check for them tomorrow and post whatever I have. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379534#379534 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Tail wires and Turnbuckle
Date: Jul 29, 2012
Hi Greg, I believe the Last Original uses 1/16" cable. 1/16" is rated at 940lbs, if you figure 4 on each side, that seems allot tougher than the wood it is holding up(and down). Skip > [Original Message] > From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> > To: > Date: 7/29/2012 7:39:04 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires and Turnbuckle > > > Hi Fred, > > You will have a hard time bending 1X19 cable around a thimble. You can use > swaged fittings and eliminate the thimble and nicopress sleeve. Finding > someone with proper swaging tools can be a problem. > > 7X19 cable and nicopress fittings are common and acceptable. > > The tail bracing cables do their job in turbulent prop wash and they tend to > vibrate. 1/16" cable wouldn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling either. > > Greg Cardinal > Minneapolis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "FandS_Piet" <fkim79(at)gmail.com> > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 5:50 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires and Turnbuckle > > > > > > Hey Guys, > > I am wondering if it is best or common practice to use 1x19 wire for the > > tail bracing. Thats what I want to use but it only seems to be available > > in 1/16th which doesnt give me a warm fuzzy feeling, and 1/8th which I > > think is too big. Im also worried about wrapping it around the thimble, > > if it is possible? > > > > Also turn buckle size. Long or short, or does it not matter? Are there > > any areas where the shorter turnbuckles dont allow for enough adjustment? > > > > Thanks > > > > -------- > > Fred Kim > > Pittsburgh, Pa > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379528#379528 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tail wires and Turnbuckle
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jul 29, 2012
But Skip, That plane has only been flying with those 1/16" cables for 41 years so far. How do we know they will last? :) Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379550#379550 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tail wires and Turnbuckle
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 30, 2012
Fred, I used 1/16" dia 7 x 7 wire cable for tail brace wires, same as Bernerd's L ast Original that was displayed at Brodhead last week. 70 hours and my tail feathers haven't moved. This cable is available from ACS. Dan Helsper Puryear TN -----Original Message----- From: FandS_Piet <fkim79(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:51 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires and Turnbuckle Hey Guys, I am wondering if it is best or common practice to use 1x19 wire for the tail bracing. Thats what I want to use but it only seems to be available in 1/1 6th which doesnt give me a warm fuzzy feeling, and 1/8th which I think is too b ig. Im also worried about wrapping it around the thimble, if it is possible? Also turn buckle size. Long or short, or does it not matter? Are there an y areas where the shorter turnbuckles dont allow for enough adjustment? Thanks -------- Fred Kim Pittsburgh, Pa Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379528#379528 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: 1/16th tail brace wires
Date: Jul 30, 2012
I've heard this discussion before. Lots of guys have used 3/32nd on the tail wires because they are abused in the turbulent air, and are relatively important. The idea being the thicker cable will withstand vibration better over time. Some guys have used 1/16th because the rated strength grossly exceeds the strength of the wooden structure they support. Some guys have used the original hard wire per the plans. My question is this. Has anyone EVER experienced a busted, or busting 1/16th cable on their tail assembly? Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Tail wires and Turnbuckle
Fred, (or anyone else) I have the means to swage fittings on cables if you are interested in using swage on fittings at opposed to the thimble/nicopre ss arrangement.- Contact me off list. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2012
From: <rdewenter(at)woh.rr.com>
Subject: A simple way to make the straight axle LG
Just wanted to pass along how I tackled the straight axle LG - It worked relly well for me. Seeing some photos of upside down fuselages and a lot of jigging going on really intimidated me. I figured there had to be a way to figure all this out with some math. As it turned out, my guess was correct. Check out this article at MATH IS FUN http://www.mathsisfun.com/algebra/trig-finding-angle-right-triangle.html I MUST have been sick the day they taught this in algebra class. Theory: Any leg angle (front to back or left to right)are just like a ladder against a wall. If I have two of the three numbers such as the height of the ladder and the distance the base is from the wall, I can determine the ladders angle. The article sample uses a ladder 5 feet tall and 2.5 feet from the wall at the ladders base ( Opposite = 2.5 and Hypotenuse = 5). I plugged the LG numbers into Microsoft Excel using the formula =Degrees (ASIN(Opposite / Hypotenuse)) or more literally =Degrees (ASIN(2.5 / 5)). The correct answer is 30 (degrees) for the example in the article. A simple scientific calculator works just as well using Sin-1 (2.5 / 5) = 30 (degrees) Reality: I took the numbers from the plans and plugged them into excel to get my 3 primary angles (one for front legs, one for rear legs and a third for the compound angle which was the same for every cut). As I explain below there is artistically a fourth angle. First attempt: With my angles in hand I went to the miter saw and set my angles and began to turn a long piece of wood into many short ones - until I got compound cutting operations under control lost $3.59 and a half hour of my life gained knowledge. Hints you do not need to lift flip or rotate the board to make the seconds cut (per strut) just slide it left or right! All cuts have the compound angle the same and it is never changed. Second Attempt: My seconds attempt was near perfect! The rear struts were dead on. I just wanted to make a slight adjustment for the forward strut top cut to compensate for the slight curvature of the fuse bottom (I added 7 degrees to the left) and it was spot on! All in all I had ONE HOUR in the cutting and assembling of the mock up LG not including attempt #1. A small air nail gun worked great to attach the legs to my simulated ash blocks. I used a carpenter square (like you might use a plumb bob) and tape measure to check the finished article to the dimensions on the plans and they were dead on! If you are wondering how to determine the length of the struts (hypotenuse), and the distance from the wall (Opposite) for the landing gear - these numbers are stated and or determined from the numbers on the LG plans. Hints: Opposite = ((LG width fuse width) / 2). Do not include the width of the ash blocks. If you choose to use the TAN-1/ATAN() or COS-1/ACOS() functions, remember to subtract the height of the ash blocks from the Adjacent (this number is on the plans). Tools: Straight axle LG plans ($20), compound miter saw (borrowed $0), carpenters square, tape measure, pencil, air nail gun + compressor, Microsoft Excel or a scientific calculator, half a brain Materials for prototype: One 8 long 2 X pine board (or two if you are a novice at compound miter cutting!) and some nails /staples for the nail gun ($3.49). Feel free to email off list me with questions. I might even do a video if enough ask for me to do so! Now I just have to figure out how to bend metal fittings. Bob Early Builder Dewenter rdewenter (a) woh.rr.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2012
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Hello Good People
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Subject: Re: Hello Good People
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jul 30, 2012
Kevin, Sorry to hear about your accident. I just got back from my own vacation and in disbelief as I read these threads. Anyway, I am glad to see you are on the mend and hope one day to meet you and shake your hand. You have many friends around you and all of them are pulling for you. Best wishes, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379594#379594 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: A-65 Valve Covers
Date: Jul 30, 2012
Mike=3B I got the ones for my A75 on eBay. They always seem to be out there=3B you just have to watch for them and be patient. I bought two different lots b efore I got a matched set of 4 valve covers=2C but it's easy to sell what y ou don't want. I wanted the stamped ones (lighter than the cast ones=2C I think). Cleaned=2C prepped=2C painted=2C and they look like new again. Us e the orange synthetic rubber gaskets for leak-free seals... cork will hard en and weep. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford=2C OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: A simple way to make the straight axle LG
Nice work on the trig. functions and explanation. Those trig. calculations can also be useful for figuring wing strut length, and length changes needed for various dihedral. It can also be used to figure out what dihedral angles equate to tip height changes .- I have done this, but don't have the figures in front of me. (for the standard length wing)- I was impressed with how a small change i n degree would elevate the tip of the wing quite a bit. There are many ways to get the job done. I did my wood landing gear with th e fuselage right side up and no jigging.- All of which is documented on H INT Video #8 Wood Landing Gear!- (shameless plug,..) Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: A-65 Valve Covers
Are the cast covers the only ones with the added lip? If they are and they do weigh more, then I may not worry about them. I have two sets of the "standard" covers. I bought the gasket/seal kit from Fresno and I believe the cover gaskets are orange...definitely not cork. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Tail wires and Turnbuckle
Date: Jul 30, 2012
Group, I need to correct a statement I made last night. 1/16" cable is rated at 480lbs not 940lbs. Still believe it is way stronger than the wood it supports. Thanks for the heads up Greg. Ski ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: I've bought a Piet!
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 30, 2012
Checked my mail... it doesn't seem that David sent any packaging photos, but here are a couple from when they loaded it onto the trailer. According to David there was minimal damage... he said that the tailwheel/post area would need some attention, otherwise it is intact. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379608#379608 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/n7035n_2_119.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/n7035n_1_173.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: A simple way to make the straight axle LG
Date: Jul 30, 2012
Hey! That ain't algebra -- it's trigonometry. ----- Original Message ----- From: <rdewenter(at)woh.rr.com> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 10:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A simple way to make the straight axle LG > > Just wanted to pass along how I tackled the straight axle LG - It worked > relly well for me. Seeing some photos of upside down fuselages and a lot > of jigging going on really intimidated me. I figured there had to be a > way to figure all this out with some math. As it turned out, my guess was > correct. > > Check out this article at MATH IS FUN > http://www.mathsisfun.com/algebra/trig-finding-angle-right-triangle.html > I MUST have been sick the day they taught this in algebra class. > > Theory: > > Any leg angle (front to back or left to right)are just like a ladder > against a wall. If I have two of the three numbers such as the height of > the ladder and the distance the base is from the wall, I can determine the > ladders angle. > > The article sample uses a ladder 5 feet tall and 2.5 feet from the wall at > the ladders base ( Opposite = 2.5 and Hypotenuse = 5). I plugged the LG > numbers into Microsoft Excel using the formula =Degrees (ASIN(Opposite / > Hypotenuse)) or more literally =Degrees (ASIN(2.5 / 5)). The correct > answer is 30 (degrees) for the example in the article. A simple scientific > calculator works just as well using Sin-1 (2.5 / 5) = 30 (degrees) > > Reality: > > I took the numbers from the plans and plugged them into excel to get my 3 > primary angles (one for front legs, one for rear legs and a third for the > compound angle which was the same for every cut). As I explain below > there is artistically a fourth angle. > > First attempt: With my angles in hand I went to the miter saw and set my > angles and began to turn a long piece of wood into many short ones - until > I got compound cutting operations under control lost $3.59 and a half > hour of my life gained knowledge. Hints you do not need to lift flip > or rotate the board to make the seconds cut (per strut) just slide it > left or right! All cuts have the compound angle the same and it is never > changed. > > Second Attempt: My seconds attempt was near perfect! The rear struts were > dead on. I just wanted to make a slight adjustment for the forward strut > top cut to compensate for the slight curvature of the fuse bottom (I added > 7 degrees to the left) and it was spot on! > > All in all I had ONE HOUR in the cutting and assembling of the mock up > LG not including attempt #1. A small air nail gun worked great to > attach the legs to my simulated ash blocks. I used a carpenter square > (like you might use a plumb bob) and tape measure to check the finished > article to the dimensions on the plans and they were dead on! > > If you are wondering how to determine the length of the struts > (hypotenuse), and the distance from the wall (Opposite) for the landing > gear - these numbers are stated and or determined from the numbers on the > LG plans. > > Hints: Opposite = ((LG width fuse width) / 2). Do not include the width > of the ash blocks. If you choose to use the TAN-1/ATAN() or COS-1/ACOS() > functions, remember to subtract the height of the ash blocks from the > Adjacent (this number is on the plans). > > Tools: Straight axle LG plans ($20), compound miter saw (borrowed $0), > carpenters square, tape measure, pencil, air nail gun + compressor, > Microsoft Excel or a scientific calculator, half a brain > > Materials for prototype: One 8 long 2 X pine board (or two if > you are a novice at compound miter cutting!) and some nails /staples for > the nail gun ($3.49). > > Feel free to email off list me with questions. I might even do a video if > enough ask for me to do so! > > Now I just have to figure out how to bend metal fittings. > > Bob Early Builder Dewenter > rdewenter (a) woh.rr.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A-65 Valve Covers
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2012
I don't recall the tiny details between the different rocker covers and my airplane isn't handy at the moment (wish it were!)- but here's a photo of mine. They have the lip that captures the gasket and they are stamped. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379623#379623 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a75001_668.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A-65 Valve Covers
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jul 30, 2012
Mine are the cast ones and they do not have any flanges. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379628#379628 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 30, 2012
Subject: Re: Kevin Purtee Update 7/29/2012
> He will travel via Amtrak and be home within 24 hours. Not a bad way to travel per se. Especially if he gets a room with a bed and view. Good place to read and watch the world go by. However, You think he is complaining now! Wait until he has dealt with the AMTRAK schedule. They have a stellar 14% on time rating. It took my daughter 20 hours to get from OKC to San Antonio (<8hour drive), wait, that is when we drove up to Austin and picked her up at 3AM. It would still be 3 hours before she got to San Antonio (< 1.5 hour drive). Having said all that, He doesn't have a schedule to meet and it is a relaxing way to travel and he can hobble to the potty when he wants. Take snack food and flying books and mags. And don't get upset when you get behind schedule. Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 30, 2012
Subject: Re: Kevin Purtee Update 7/29/2012
Shelly, don't forget to ask for the military rate on AMTRAK. Or maybe AARP! Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: A simple way to make the straight axle LG
Date: Jul 30, 2012
LOL=2C if you have not bent metal yet=2C the legs you made are not going to work. Trust me. Gene > Date: Mon=2C 30 Jul 2012 10:10:53 -0400 > From: rdewenter(at)woh.rr.com > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: A simple way to make the straight axle LG > > > Just wanted to pass along how I tackled the straight axle LG - It worked relly well for me. Seeing some photos of upside down fuselages and a lot o f jigging going on really intimidated me. I figured there had to be a way to figure all this out with some math. As it turned out=2C my guess was co rrect. > > Check out this article at MATH IS FUN http://www.mathsisfun.com/algebra/t rig-finding-angle-right-triangle.html I MUST have been sick the day they t aught this in algebra class. > > Theory: > > Any leg angle (front to back or left to right)are just like a ladder agai nst a wall. If I have two of the three numbers such as the height of the l adder and the distance the base is from the wall=2C I can determine the lad ders angle. > > The article sample uses a ladder 5 feet tall and 2.5 feet from the wall a t the ladders base ( Opposite = 2.5 and Hypotenuse = 5). I plugged the LG numbers into Microsoft Excel using the formula =Degrees (ASIN(Opposit e / Hypotenuse)) or more literally =Degrees (ASIN(2.5 / 5)). The correct answer is 30 (degrees) for the example in the article. A simple scientific calculator works just as well using Sin-1 (2.5 / 5) = 30 (degrees) > > Reality: > > I took the numbers from the plans and plugged them into excel to get my 3 primary angles (one for front legs=2C one for rear legs and a third for th e =93compound=94 angle which was the same for every cut). As I explain bel ow there is =93artistically=94 a fourth angle. > > First attempt: With my angles in hand I went to the miter saw and set my angles and began to turn a long piece of wood into many short ones - until I got compound cutting operations under control ' lost $3.59 and a half h our of my life ' gained knowledge. Hints ' you do not need to lift fli p or rotate the board to make the seconds cut (per strut)' just slide it left or right! All cuts have the compound angle the same and it is never c hanged. > > Second Attempt: My seconds attempt was near perfect! The rear struts wer e dead on. I just wanted to make a slight adjustment for the forward strut top cut to compensate for the slight curvature of the fuse bottom (I added 7 degrees =93to the left=94) and it was spot on! > > All in all I had ONE HOUR in the cutting and assembling of the mock up LG ' not including attempt #1. A small air nail gun worked great to attach the legs to my simulated ash blocks. I used a carpenter square (like you might use a plumb bob) and tape measure to check the finished article to th e dimensions on the plans and they were dead on! > > If you are wondering how to determine the length of the struts (hypotenus e)=2C and the distance from the =93wall=94 (Opposite) for the landing gear - these numbers are stated and or determined from the numbers on the LG pla ns. > > Hints: Opposite = ((LG width ' fuse width) / 2). Do not include the width of the ash blocks. If you choose to use the TAN-1/ATAN() or COS-1/AC OS() functions=2C remember to subtract the height of the ash blocks from th e =93Adjacent=94 (this number is on the plans). > > Tools: Straight axle LG plans ($20)=2C compound miter saw (borrowed $0) =2C carpenters square=2C tape measure=2C pencil=2C air nail gun + compresso r=2C Microsoft Excel or a scientific calculator=2C half a brain > > Materials for prototype: One 8=92 long 2 =BD=94 X =BE=94 pine board (o r two if you are a novice at compound miter cutting!) and some nails /stapl es for the nail gun ($3.49). > > Feel free to email off list me with questions. I might even do a video i f enough ask for me to do so! > > Now I just have to figure out how to bend metal fittings=85. > > Bob =93Early Builder=94 Dewenter > rdewenter (a) woh.rr.com > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kevin Purtee update 7/30/2012
Fantastic Shelley and Kevin, Let us all know when you get home and keep us up to date on Kevin's progress. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kevin Purtee update 7/30/2012
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2012
God wasn't ready for Kevin yet and now the hospital turns him away too. I guess we get to keep him around for awhile ;o) This is good news indeed. I am convinced that rapid healing has a good deal to do with one's state of mind, determination to move on, and refusal to throw pity parties. Somebody remind me of that when I'm hurting and just want some sympathy and stroking ;o) Safe journey back home... -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379660#379660 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 1/16th tail brace wires
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2012
Busted a 1/16" tail brace wire and survived it. Didn't even know it was busted till back on the ground. Now flying with stainless 1/16" wires back there because I'm convinced it was corrosion and the resultant fretting that caused it to let go. Those wires, and all the tail surfaces, really do vibrate a lot in flight. There were NO frayed wires in any of the cables, as demonstrated by the bare-finger inspection time and again, with no loss of blood. Before the naysayers jump in, I'll acknowledge that stainless is not as good as plain steel in strength, but it is better in corrosion resistance and I still have the old tail brace wires if anyone doubts that corrosion doesn't take its toll on things on the back end of the airplane and wants to see them. It's my fault... I never bother to wash the airplane so it does build up debris back there from time to time, but then again it gets some oil mist too. Okay, so the oil mist attracts fine dust, which is an abrasive and tends to aggravate the fretting. My bad, but I'd rather fly the airplane than wash and polish it. If you don't want to worry about the tail brace wires, use 3/32" cable or the old-timey smooth wire with ferrules. I'll bet if you used 3/32" with no turnbuckles (twist the wire to add tension) you'd be as light as if you used 1/16" with turnbuckles, or lighter. And you'd save money on turnbuckles. There doesn't need to be a lot of tension on the wires, it just needs to form a fairly well braced and evenly balanced assembly. Let's see: at last count I had used up 4-1/2 of my allotted 9 lives (I only count the broken tail brace wire as loss of 1/2 life). The object of the game is to end up with at least one life in reserve at the end, or 45 minutes of fuel. Or, wait... isn't the object to use up that last remaining life on a beautiful springtime flight, low and slow, with the airplane trimmed up for hands-off flight, perfect temperature, pull the "SMOKE" knob, and then yell "YEEEEEAAAAHHHOOOOO!!!" as your ticker decides to head for the barn??? There are worse ways to go. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379661#379661 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Air Compressor
From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 30, 2012
Anyone care to recommend an air compressor for the shop? My 30 year old Craftsman professional gave up the ghost. Can not locate a new motor with a pivot style mount. Parts are no longer available from Sears. Yes, I want continuous duty for drill, sander, impact tools, etc. Any suggestions? Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379663#379663 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: A-65 Valve Covers
Thanks Oscar. Those covers you have are exactly what I am looking for. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: 1/16th tail brace wires
How much time do you have on your "new" 1/16 SS wires now Oscar?- Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A-65 Valve Covers
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jul 31, 2012
Mike, This guy has a few to choose from. He has a big pile of them. NEW CONTINENTAL VALVE COVERS FOR SALE Rare find, approx 500 new, pickled A-65 to 0-300 Continental valve covers.Will separate, must purchase minimum of 4 covers(one set $30.00).Cheap enough, you can use them for ash trays, Yuppy pilots who have their aircraft N-number on their underware band, tye and coffee cup can use them for a manly mans cereal bowl.770 883 0815-anytime Contact Kurt D. Grasso - AEROSALES, Owner - located Woodstock, GA USA Telephone: 770-883-0815 . Posted July 5, 2012 Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser Recommend This Ad to a Friend Email Advertiser Save to Watchlist Report This Ad View Larger Pictures Finance New Lower Rates! Good luck, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379696#379696 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Pietn38b(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 31, 2012
Subject: Re: Air Compressor
Dan I took my 5hp pivot mount sears motor to an electric motor repair shop. He was ablr to repair it for a lot less than new if I could have found one. The repair tech said it wasn't any different inside than most other motors. Good luck Jim In a message dated 7/31/2012 12:45:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, marwilson(at)charter.net writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "dwilson" Anyone care to recommend an air compressor for the shop? My 30 year old Craftsman professional gave up the ghost. Can not locate a new motor with a pivot style mount. Parts are no longer available from Sears. Yes, I want continuous duty for drill, sander, impact tools, etc. Any suggestions? Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379663#379663 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A-65 Valve Covers
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jul 31, 2012
Here is a pic of the valve cover pile. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379698#379698 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/scaled_13e6_106x80_540166_p4090184_158.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: A-65 Valve Covers
Thanks for the help. I contacted him a while ago and he said he didn't think he had any with the flange. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Futher Pieters
From: "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net>
Date: Jul 31, 2012
Hopefully one day I can pass on my Piet to one of my grandkids who may also experience the joy of owning one of these timeless machines. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379720#379720 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kids_in_the_piet_008_690.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kids_in_the_piet_017_243.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 31, 2012
Subject: rides abounded at Brodhead
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Subject: Re: 1/16th tail brace wires
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 31, 2012
Michael: I'm not the only one who has flown Scout since the tail brace wire change, but my logbook shows about 74 hours and 205 landings in the ~5 years since the wires were changed (summer 2007). -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379731#379731 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: 1/16th tail brace wires
Thanks Oscar. We had talked about this subject before, maybe off list. I am using 1/16" stainless wires for the tail and was just curious. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2012
From: JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: The Last Original
Do any drawings or information exist for the cowling that is on the Last Original? Thanks Joe Swithin Morris, IL Collecting Parts and Pieces Stage ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Matthew <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Last Original
Date: Jul 31, 2012
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Date: Jul 31, 2012
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The Last Original
Joe,- My father still has a brand new fiberglass cowling that was molded from the last original cowling.- He has broght it to brodhead to sell-a couple times but had no takers.- Let me know if you are interested.- I think he paid $200 for it so just make him an offer he would probably take 150 or so.- It is designed for use with the corvair with the blower fan, just like the last original. - Shad --- On Tue, 7/31/12, JOSEPH SWITHIN wrote: From: JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2012, 6:15 PM Do any drawings or information exist for the cowling that is on the Last Or iginal? Thanks Joe Swithin Morris, IL Collecting Parts and Pieces Stage ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Daniel Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Last Original
Date: Jul 31, 2012
Is this the long cowling from the prop hub to the firewall, or the short one? From: shad bell Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original Joe, My father still has a brand new fiberglass cowling that was molded from the last original cowling. He has broght it to brodhead to sell a couple times but had no takers. Let me know if you are interested. I think he paid $200 for it so just make him an offer he would probably take 150 or so. It is designed for use with the corvair with the blower fan, just like the last original. Shad --- On Tue, 7/31/12, JOSEPH SWITHIN wrote: From: JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2012, 6:15 PM Do any drawings or information exist for the cowling that is on the Last Original? Thanks Joe Swithin Morris, IL Collecting Parts and Pieces Stage " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Front seat controls
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 31, 2012
I've got to believe this question has come up before but I can't find it. What are the pros and cons of having flying controls in the front seat? I was reading some of the accident reports that Douwe was referring to and found a couple caused by jammed front seat controls by passengers and loose items. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379751#379751 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2012
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The Last Original
I am not sure, I will give you his email address.- I believe it is the lo ng one, like the Brown Aero-aircamper (Tom Brown).- Gary Bell: gary_bel l(at)frontier.com just email him and ask any questions directly it will be eas ier that way.- It might take him a day or two to respond, as I think he i s on the road. - Shad --- On Tue, 7/31/12, Daniel Engelkenjohn wrote: From: Daniel Engelkenjohn <mushface1(at)gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2012, 8:46 PM Is this the long cowling from the prop hub to the firewall, or the short on e? - From: shad bell Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original - Joe,- My father still has a brand new fiberglass cowling that was molded from the last original cowling.- He has broght it to brodhead to sell a c ouple times but had no takers.- Let me know if you are interested.- I t hink he paid $200 for it so just make him an offer he would probably take 1 50 or so.- It is designed for use with the corvair with the blower fan, j ust like the last original. - Shad --- On Tue, 7/31/12, JOSEPH SWITHIN wrote: From: JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2012, 6:15 PM Do any drawings or information exist for the cowling that is on the Last Or iginal? Thanks - Joe Swithin Morris, IL Collecting Parts and Pieces Stage " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenp ol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: The Last Original
From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 31, 2012
I also have an original fiberglass cowling for the long fuselage. Cowling was pulled from the original mold. I know that there are a couple of builders that would like to use this cowling to build a new mold in order to make new cowlings. The original mold was made from concrete. Is there really any interest out there for this cowling? Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379761#379761 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2012
Subject: The Last Original
From: markmckellar(at)reagan.com
Is The Last Original currently flying with the Corvair conversion per BHP ? Mark McKellar ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2012
Subject: Re: The Last Original
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
The engine has been updated internally with parts recommended by William Wynne's conversion method, but externally looks the same and still utilizes the blower fan. Ryan Sent from my Nexus 7 On Jul 31, 2012 10:48 PM, wrote: > > Is The Last Original currently flying with the Corvair conversion per BHP ? > > Mark McKellar > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Futher Pieters
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 31, 2012
Two cute for sure.... The next gen and happiest passengers.... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379769#379769 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Front seat controls
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 31, 2012
I have taken several pilots for rides in Scout and all of them appreciated the opportunity to handle the controls. I have checked out one or two other pilots in the airplane and other than not having carb heat or brakes duplicated up front, the presence of dual controls was of immeasurable value to those pilots in understanding the airplane and in learning to fly it. In fact, my own checkout in Scout was from the front cockpit, with zero instruments, no brakes, no carb heat up there. My instructor talked me through each maneuver from the rear cockpit, operated carb heat and brakes when necessary, and I flew the maneuvers with stick, rudder, and throttle- and learned my airplane by touch, sound, and smell and my mind wasn't in the equation very much.. just heart and soul. We are almost inseparable now and I think part of the reason for that is because we met and learned each other that way. I'm sure I could talk an experienced tailwheel pilot through a ground checkout in a Piet, but it's far better to learn in a dual cockpit setup and way more fun. The Piet experience is something you want to share. I have flown numerous children and non-pilot passengers in Scout as well, and can tell you that you must, must, must be careful and watchful about shoes, clothes, seatbelts, jackets, and other things that happen in the cockpit. The pilot's feet are alongside the passenger's seat, the rudder pedals and brakes are right there too, so are the passenger's seatbelts and who knows what else. In cooler weather it's even worse, what with jackets and boots and gloves. Not having dual controls won't change that, but just saying that the space between pilot and passenger can get very crowded and very busy, especially during landing, and anything that obstructs your feet during landing won't be a good thing. In cooler weather I wear C-width Justin Roper wellington boots because they are narrow and smooth and they seem to slide past any obstruction down in the leg-holes, but in the summertime and while solo I can wear running shoes if they aren't too bulky or have hanging laces. I'm not kidding... it's a tight area down there and when you're poking your toes at a brake pedal in a crosswind, the last thing you want is for your big bulky shoe to hang up on a seatbelt or fuselage framing member or anything else. I have had the edge of my shoe sole hang up against the front seat support when I thought I was pressing the brake, and boy did I wonder what had happened to my brakes! Good thing I'm such a good tailwheel pilot that I saved the landing ;o) The Piet is a great airplane for hopping rides and people have said that removing the front cockpit controls makes them feel better when taking non-pilots for a ride, but I don't think it makes that much more room in the cockpit and it sure doesn't give the passenger the same feeling. My vote is for dual controls. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379771#379771 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 01, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Front seat controls
I made my front control stick removable, mostly for when I fly alone and in case I need the front cockpit for storage. I made the stick itself out of aluminum and machined the end to slip into the short, steel sleeve connected to the torque tube. The aluminum stick had also been hollowed out...pretty light weight. Inside the front cockpit I will install some type of clip/snap holder to secure the stick up under the front instrument panel. (maybe some other place...not there yet...) Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: The Last Original
From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Date: Aug 01, 2012
Pistons, cam, dual point distributor, valve job and a new prop hub. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379796#379796 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cowling_139.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 01, 2012
Subject: RE: The Last Original
From: markmckellar(at)reagan.com
Dan, Are you saying that was all that was done to the engine? Mark ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 01, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Front seat controls
You laugh, but I actually considered painting my plane is some Millennium F alcon/Star Wars paint scheme!- Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: The Last Original
From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Date: Aug 01, 2012
This is what I recall from my conversation with Bill Knight at Brodhead. The engine work was performed by Mark at Falcon Machine in Madison, WI. Looks like it retains the blower fan and the original oil pan. I didn't ask about the oil pump but everything else on the outside of the engine looks like it did before the rebuild. There are now two ignition coils and a coil joiner. I'm sure someone took some photo's when the cowling was open. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379804#379804 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Help needed- rubber ignition wire boots
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 01, 2012
Hello all, Does anyone know of a source for this rubber boot that fits 7mm ignition wi re? I have one, and need 3 more in order to complete my WICO magneto instal lation on the model A. As some of you may know, I have an aftermarket head with 8 plug holes. Right now I am only utilizing 4 of them powered by the c rank-driven Slick mag. The Wico will fit down into the distributor hole in the A head. Thanks in advance for your help. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead photos of possible interest
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Aug 01, 2012
Praise the Lord Mike! Until you posted these pictures I couldn't prove to my wife that I was in Brodhead for three days. All I had to date was a picture with my leg in it and she was suspicious about that! John Do no archive. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379819#379819 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mykitplane.com
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Aug 01, 2012
Mykitplane down again. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379823#379823 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Help needed- rubber ignition wire boots
Date: Aug 01, 2012
Not sure if it helps, but looks a lot like the boots on the wires for my 1948 Ferguson tractor. Kip Gardner On Aug 1, 2012, at 6:49 PM, HelsperSew(at)aol.com wrote: > Hello all, > > Does anyone know of a source for this rubber boot that fits 7mm > ignition wire? I have one, and need 3 more in order to complete my > WICO magneto installation on the model A. As some of you may know, I > have an aftermarket head with 8 plug holes. Right now I am only > utilizing 4 of them powered by the crank-driven Slick mag. The Wico > will fit down into the distributor hole in the A head. Thanks in > advance for your help. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Daniel Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Last Original
Date: Aug 01, 2012
Thank you, I have emailed him. Dennis From: shad bell Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original I am not sure, I will give you his email address. I believe it is the long one, like the Brown Aero aircamper (Tom Brown). Gary Bell: gary_bell(at)frontier.com just email him and ask any questions directly it will be easier that way. It might take him a day or two to respond, as I think he is on the road. Shad --- On Tue, 7/31/12, Daniel Engelkenjohn wrote: From: Daniel Engelkenjohn <mushface1(at)gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2012, 8:46 PM Is this the long cowling from the prop hub to the firewall, or the short one? From: shad bell Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:21 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original Joe, My father still has a brand new fiberglass cowling that was molded from the last original cowling. He has broght it to brodhead to sell a couple times but had no takers. Let me know if you are interested. I think he paid $200 for it so just make him an offer he would probably take 150 or so. It is designed for use with the corvair with the blower fan, just like the last original. Shad --- On Tue, 7/31/12, JOSEPH SWITHIN wrote: From: JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2012, 6:15 PM Do any drawings or information exist for the cowling that is on the Last Original? Thanks Joe Swithin Morris, IL Collecting Parts and Pieces Stage " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 01, 2012
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Help needed- rubber ignition wire boots
Tractor suppy Co. (TSC)-may have them, but you may need to buy a set of p lug wires for a Farmall, or a Allis Chalmers that have the old Delco Distri buters.- Just go to the store and start opening up the boxes untill you f ind the right ones,..... or untill the manager kicks you out. - Shad Don't R'Kive --- On Wed, 8/1/12, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Help needed- rubber ignition wire boots Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 6:49 PM Hello all, Does anyone know of a source for this rubber boot that fits 7mm ignition wi re? I have one, and need 3 more in order to complete my WICO magneto instal lation on the model A. As some of you may know, I have an aftermarket head with 8 plug holes. Right now I am only utilizing 4 of them powered by the c rank-driven Slick mag. The Wico will fit down into the distributor hole in the A head. Thanks in advance for your help. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 02, 2012
From: JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Last Original Cowling
Thanks for the information. Is it a problem having the blower on top as BHP did? Is that the best way to cool the engine? What about the sheet metal p ortion? Does a pattern exist for that also?=0ASorry the response is late, w e were apparently on the dark side of the moon yesterday.=0A-=0AJoe Swith in=0AMorris, IL=0AGathering Parts & Pieces ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Last Original Cowling
Date: Aug 02, 2012
Joe - Little fan up top robs HP and adds complexity. Big fan up front does the job nicely. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOSEPH SWITHIN Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 5:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Original Cowling Thanks for the information. Is it a problem having the blower on top as BHP did? Is that the best way to cool the engine? What about the sheet metal portion? Does a pattern exist for that also? Sorry the response is late, we were apparently on the dark side of the moon yesterday. Joe Swithin Morris, IL Gathering Parts & Pieces ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Last Original Cowling
Date: Aug 02, 2012
To add: Historically, Bernard wanted to convert a Corvair engine with the least amount of money, time & fuss possible, and the version he came up with achieved that. The tradeoff was lower than possible max hp, and the aforementioned mechanical complexity in an area that was always somewhat problematic with regard to failure in the Corvair anyway (this can be overcome with good, regular maintenance, but that adds to down time and worry factor). The modern versions (aka William Wynne conversions) are aimed at an engine with much more hp and higher reliability. These objectives have largely been achieved as well, albeit as a "learning process" over the past 15-20 years, and the result is a conversion that is more involved, costs more, and takes longer, especially as a D-I-Y project. Not to say it's not a superior engine at this point - I think it is - but a very different engine from what Bernard created. Kip Gardner (working on a WW conversion) On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Joe ' Little fan up top robs HP and adds complexity. Big fan up > front does the job nicely. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of JOSEPH SWITHIN > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 5:48 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Original Cowling > > Thanks for the information. Is it a problem having the blower on top > as BHP did? Is that the best way to cool the engine? What about the > sheet metal portion? Does a pattern exist for that also? > Sorry the response is late, we were apparently on the dark side of > the moon yesterday. > > Joe Swithin > Morris, IL > Gathering Parts & Pieces > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Last Original Cowling
Date: Aug 02, 2012
To add to the discussion on the Corvair blower fan, I had a 1966 Corvair that I drove back and forth to college (a 300 mile trip, one way). I always carried TWO spare fanbelts, because if the idler pulleys got out of alignment (which they did with surprising frequency) putting on a spare fanbelt without carefully re-aligning the idler (difficult to do on the side of the road) would only guarantee about another 200 miles before the spare would fail. In one of my mechanical engineering classes on machine design, when we studied V-Belt transmission systems, they used the Corvair as an example of how NOT to design a belt drive. You should never flex a belt out of the plane of rotation, where the Corvair design flexes it 90=B0 either way every revolution. Far better to use the =93big fan=94, as Gary put it. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth Gardner Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Last Original Cowling To add: Historically, Bernard wanted to convert a Corvair engine with the least amount of money, time & fuss possible, and the version he came up with achieved that. The tradeoff was lower than possible max hp, and the aforementioned mechanical complexity in an area that was always somewhat problematic with regard to failure in the Corvair anyway (this can be overcome with good, regular maintenance, but that adds to down time and worry factor). The modern versions (aka William Wynne conversions) are aimed at an engine with much more hp and higher reliability. These objectives have largely been achieved as well, albeit as a "learning process" over the past 15-20 years, and the result is a conversion that is more involved, costs more, and takes longer, especially as a D-I-Y project. Not to say it's not a superior engine at this point - I think it is - but a very different engine from what Bernard created. Kip Gardner (working on a WW conversion) On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: Joe ' Little fan up top robs HP and adds complexity. Big fan up front does the job nicely. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOSEPH SWITHIN Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 5:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Original Cowling Thanks for the information. Is it a problem having the blower on top as BHP did? Is that the best way to cool the engine? What about the sheet metal portion? Does a pattern exist for that also? Sorry the response is late, we were apparently on the dark side of the moon yesterday. Joe Swithin Morris, IL Gathering Parts & Pieces <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 02, 2012
Subject: speaking of Dan's ignition wire questions.........
I have had a few of my ignition wire solder joints fail in the past 2 years (thankfully while removing plug wires in the hangar) and was wondering if anyone knows where I can buy these ends and then the other 'clip' ends that go on the Champion M41E plug ends. Fresno wants $100 for an ignition wire set........ [cid:image001.png(at)01CD709D.59D9E140] [cid:image002.png(at)01CD709D.59D9E140] ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <don.h(at)wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: Last Original Cowling
Date: Aug 02, 2012
That=99s funny I drove corvair for yrs still have a spider never had a belt prbm But never tighten the belt so tite it would run over the pully just look at the chevy specks to see how much flex you should have..But I do agree the big fan is the way to go for horse power. From: Jack Phillips Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 10:36 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Last Original Cowling To add to the discussion on the Corvair blower fan, I had a 1966 Corvair that I drove back and forth to college (a 300 mile trip, one way). I always carried TWO spare fanbelts, because if the idler pulleys got out of alignment (which they did with surprising frequency) putting on a spare fanbelt without carefully re-aligning the idler (difficult to do on the side of the road) would only guarantee about another 200 miles before the spare would fail. In one of my mechanical engineering classes on machine design, when we studied V-Belt transmission systems, they used the Corvair as an example of how NOT to design a belt drive. You should never flex a belt out of the plane of rotation, where the Corvair design flexes it 90=C2=B0 either way every revolution. Far better to use the =9Cbig fan=9D, as Gary put it. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth Gardner Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Last Original Cowling To add: Historically, Bernard wanted to convert a Corvair engine with the least amount of money, time & fuss possible, and the version he came up with achieved that. The tradeoff was lower than possible max hp, and the aforementioned mechanical complexity in an area that was always somewhat problematic with regard to failure in the Corvair anyway (this can be overcome with good, regular maintenance, but that adds to down time and worry factor). The modern versions (aka William Wynne conversions) are aimed at an engine with much more hp and higher reliability. These objectives have largely been achieved as well, albeit as a "learning process" over the past 15-20 years, and the result is a conversion that is more involved, costs more, and takes longer, especially as a D-I-Y project. Not to say it's not a superior engine at this point - I think it is - but a very different engine from what Bernard created. Kip Gardner (working on a WW conversion) On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: Joe =93 Little fan up top robs HP and adds complexity. Big fan up front does the job nicely. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOSEPH SWITHIN Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 5:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Original Cowling Thanks for the information. Is it a problem having the blower on top as BHP did? Is that the best way to cool the engine? What about the sheet metal portion? Does a pattern exist for that also? Sorry the response is late, we were apparently on the dark side of the moon yesterday. Joe Swithin Morris, IL Gathering Parts & Pieces http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listblue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.comstyle="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 02, 2012
Subject: Corvair fixed fan belt loss issue in 1964
But obviously many of the cars on the road at that time didn't get the fix like Jack's Corvair but he sure got good at fixing it on the road. If I were running a Corvair on a Pie t (or a car) with a fan I'd go with this fix. CORVAIRS CONSTANTLY THROW FAN BELTS - Again, not true. We drive our cars 20 ,000-30,000 miles a year and only replace a belt every couple of years. I n 1964 Chevrolet effectively ended what had been a nagging problem with fan belts on manual transmission cars. They replaced the heavy steel blower fa n with a very light magnesium fan - This ended nearly all belt throwing pro blems on Corvairs once and for all. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 02, 2012
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Problems with e-mail
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Date: Aug 02, 2012
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Problems with e-mail
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From: Gerry Holland <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Problems with e-mail
Date: Aug 02, 2012
On 2 Aug 2012, at 19:37, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: Tom Doesn't seem to be any content in your emails. Gerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: speaking of Dan's ignition wire questions.........
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 02, 2012
Mike, You can get just the ends from Fresno Airparts. They sell both ends. Like Gene says it does need to be silver solder. We just did a set for the Chief last year. Much cheaper to make your own. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379898#379898 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Help needed- rubber ignition wire boots
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Aug 02, 2012
Hey Dan... you can get a universal wire set from autozone with lots of wire and boots ..both angle and straight... it a kind of build your own set. thats what i used jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379899#379899 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: speaking of Dan's ignition wire questions.........
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 02, 2012
Silver solder is a broad term. There's the stuff sold in home improvement stores, which is VERY low in silver, melts at a low temp (can apply is with a solder gun or iron), sticks tenaciously to about everything and flows out really well, BUT, is usually used with a flux which is thin like water. It is also VERY corrosive and therefore seems an unlikely choice for anything electronic. Although it can be neutralized, I would worry about it wicking up stranded wire underneath the insulation and later causing problems (like in days or weeks, not forever). I've not cleaned mechanical joints (piano wire on model airplane parts, which regular solder doesn't usually stick to well) soldered with this stuff well and see corrosion in very few days. The other silver solder is very high in silver content, generally difficult to find (industrial suppliers and such, HVAC guys use it, used to braze carbide tooling, etc). Also referred to as silver brazing (brazing and soldering are the same thing except for the temp it occurs). It's high enough in silver to frequently be sold by the troy ounce. Seems that the temp required (usually use oxy/acet) to use it would prohibit normal use in electronic uses. Usually used with paste fluxes. Not sure how corrosive that stuff is, but I don't see problems with things I braze with it like I do the other stuff. "Normal" solder (due to propietary reasons, I hesitate to EVER use "normal" anymore, as they change the ingredients way more than they ever used to it seems) comes in either acid core, rosin (or resin, not sure which) core or with no core at all. Acid core is the easiest to use, but corrosive and not used with electronics. Rosin core is used with electronics. Just food for thought. Anyone know exactly what silver solder process is recommended? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379901#379901 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 02, 2012
Subject: ignition wire terminals
The ignition wires for small Continentals are stranded wire and when you spread them out into a fan shape to solder they hold for a very long time (14 years and almost 400 hours of flying) in my case using regular old solder and flux. Good tips from all. Thank you. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ignition wire terminals
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 02, 2012
I also used reg. solder when I made up the four existing wires I have now. Works fine. Silver solder is not needed. KISS. Dan Helsper Purear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Sent: Thu, Aug 2, 2012 4:09 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: ignition wire terminals Partners, LLC]" The ignition wires for small Continentals are stranded wire and when you sp read them out into a fan shape to solder they hold for a very long time (14 years and almost 400 hours of flying) i n my case using regular old solder and flux. Good tips from all. Thank you. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: corvair v-belt
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 02, 2012
Plus two idlers, right? And the center spindle gets the belt three times? Not that it's given me any consternation (ya, I spelled that right though other words fit) over the years. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379913#379913 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: performance with C-85
From: "heavyliftpilot" <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 02, 2012
Hi everyone....i am about to the point of covering my GN-1, but would like some feedback on 'real world' number:...IE, T/O distance, climb rate, with the C-85, single and with passenger. I have 1800' (if i t/o to the east, and 1400 to the west) before i run into the 75' georgia pines....Thanks, james Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379916#379916 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: performance with C-85
Date: Aug 03, 2012
James, it largely depends on the weight. I've only flown one GN-1 and that was 35 years ago. What airfoil do you have? I kept my Pietenpol for years at a 2000' strip in North Carolina with tall trees at the end. I could get out fine by myself. I also never took a passenger with me, and would not consider doing so. It simply wouldn't climb fast enough to get over the trees. You'll probably be OK to fly solo from there. Get some experience flying passengers from long runways before trying it there. I would NOT use that field for your first test flights. Find a field with long runways and good approaches until you are comfortable with the airplane. Good Luck! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of heavyliftpilot Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 9:39 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: performance with C-85 Hi everyone....i am about to the point of covering my GN-1, but would like some feedback on 'real world' number:...IE, T/O distance, climb rate, with the C-85, single and with passenger. I have 1800' (if i t/o to the east, and 1400 to the west) before i run into the 75' georgia pines....Thanks, james Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379916#379916 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 03, 2012
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: performance with C-85
Hi James, where are you located? I am in Lagrange with my pietenpol along with Bill Roberts with his GN 1. Gardiner Mason ----- Original Message ---- From: heavyliftpilot <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> Sent: Thu, August 2, 2012 9:40:38 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: performance with C-85 Hi everyone....i am about to the point of covering my GN-1, but would like some feedback on 'real world' number:...IE, T/O distance, climb rate, with the C-85, single and with passenger. I have 1800' (if i t/o to the east, and 1400 to the west) before i run into the 75' georgia pines....Thanks, james Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379916#379916 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: performance with C-85
From: "heavyliftpilot" <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 03, 2012
Hi Gardiner, I'm located about 30 miles NW of savannah, ga... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379933#379933 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 03, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Progress Update
I thought I would take a moment to share my latest work on my plane. It has been a good couple weeks. I made my cable hole locating templates fo r the fuselage and- started covering. Using said templates, I marked the cable exit holes and coiled up the cables outside the covering.- While up -side-down, I painted the bottom. The fuselage is now right-side-up and on its landing gear. Just about everything done- on the plane now and to com e, I call "flight hardware", meaning these items are flight ready and will not be coming back off.- No more fitting with inappropriate nuts/bolts ju st to take it all back apart!- I'll finish paint/insignias and than back to engine work and installation. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fuel tank shut off valve
From: "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 03, 2012
Hello all, Would appreciate any thoughts or considerations for what type of shutoff valve to attach to the bottom of an aluminum fuel tank. I understand Brass/bronze to aluminum is a no-no, but I dont see many aluminum valves and I think they would not be as strong. Or is it better to weld on a fixed nozzle and put a shut off valve somewhere in-line? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Steve -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379941#379941 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fuel tank shut off valve
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Aug 03, 2012
Well, in general, brass and aluminum are not recommended to be used in contact with each other, due to the likelihood of galvanic reaction. Under the right conditions (in the presence of salt water, for instance), a galvanic cell will be created, with the brass acting as the cathode, and the aluminum acting as the anode. The result will be a transfer of electrons, producing electricity, and also corrosion of the aluminum. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379948#379948 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Lessons Learned
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Aug 03, 2012
Ladies and Gentlemen Ive promised to provide Lessons Learned from my 22 Jul 2012 engine failure. Ive had lots of time to think about the events, discuss them with knowledgeable people, and discuss them with people who were actually there. I have also discussed the accident extensively with the FAA investigator and we agree on the information Im presenting here. The engine lost power on takeoff. I attempted to turn back to the airport leading to a classic stall-spin scenario. The engine lost power due to water contamination in the fuel. Ill start with the fuel contamination. Bottom Line Up Front: Build your fuel system using the guidance from the Tony Bingelis books. My system is identical to the schematic shown on page 159 of Tonys yellow book. Youll want to do a little more research, though, and find out if hes put some applicable caveats in there for you. Heres what I believe happened in my situation. Water entered the fuel tank in small amounts throughout the course of Brodhead. This occurred due to the aircraft sitting outside in the rain and with my portable gas cans sitting outside as well. The water amounts were small but added up. Enough water accumulated in the bottom/rear of the tank and then, during flight, found its way to the tank outlet and thus to the carburetor at the worst possible time. During fuel checks I thoroughly drained the gascolator. When the aircraft is on the ground, though, the bottom/rear of the fuel tank may have trapped some of the water. Heres what Ill do different procedurally: - I wont just drain the gascolator. Ill collect a proper fuel sample with a clear container so I can determine how much water Im actually drawing off. - If the tank is not equipped with its own sump (i.e. using just the gascolator as the sump) I will raise the tail, rock the wings, etc., in order to more thoroughly check for water that may be hiding in the tank. - I will protect the gas tank and my portable gas cans from water contamination by simply covering them. Heres what Id do different design-wise: - I will purposely build a sump into my tank, thereby guaranteeing the ability to drain water from the lowest portion of the tank. Now Ill address the engine failure on takeoff. I had changed the propeller for the trip home and made a quick test flight. During the flight, I noticed a small miss. I returned to Brodhead, landed, checked the engine as best I could, checked for compression on all cylinders, drained yet more fuel, and decided to try the flight again. The aircraft ran up perfectly so I decided to take off. I made it about 1/8 mile south of the airport boundary to about 200 AGL when the aircraft started to slowly lose power. I immediately started a left turn back around to the airport. By the time the turn was complete, and despite putting in what I thought was extensive forward stick, the aircraft lost control and fell to the ground. People arrived within a minute or so of the crash and started coordinating rescue. Heres what Id do differently: - The loss of power was quite gradual, like I was slowly pulling the throttle back. In the future, I will treat that situation the same as a sudden loss of power and land straight ahead. Ive spoken to several people about this scenario and they agree that the gradual loss of power could be confusing. If the engine stops cold theres not much question about committing to the straight-ahead landing. I present all of this for your consideration, education and information. Be advised that Im not really presenting this information for debate. Please use what you can and share as appropriate. Thank you for all of your help, thoughts and prayers. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379951#379951 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
Date: Aug 03, 2012
Hi everyone, Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the "know" about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted? Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!! Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is she flies as pretty as she looks. That's a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop. She hasn't flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement and help!!!!!!!!!!!!! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Lessons Learned
Date: Aug 03, 2012
Thanks, Kevin. I know it takes guts to come out in public and discuss what went wrong. Hopefully others can learn from your experience. As my grandfather used to say "Experience is not the best teacher. OTHER PEOPLE's experience is the best teacher." Speedy recovery, my friend. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lessons Learned Ladies and Gentlemen Ive promised to provide Lessons Learned from my 22 Jul 2012 engine failure. Ive had lots of time to think about the events, discuss them with knowledgeable people, and discuss them with people who were actually there. I have also discussed the accident extensively with the FAA investigator and we agree on the information Im presenting here. The engine lost power on takeoff. I attempted to turn back to the airport leading to a classic stall-spin scenario. The engine lost power due to water contamination in the fuel. Ill start with the fuel contamination. Bottom Line Up Front: Build your fuel system using the guidance from the Tony Bingelis books. My system is identical to the schematic shown on page 159 of Tonys yellow book. Youll want to do a little more research, though, and find out if hes put some applicable caveats in there for you. Heres what I believe happened in my situation. Water entered the fuel tank in small amounts throughout the course of Brodhead. This occurred due to the aircraft sitting outside in the rain and with my portable gas cans sitting outside as well. The water amounts were small but added up. Enough water accumulated in the bottom/rear of the tank and then, during flight, found its way to the tank outlet and thus to the carburetor at the worst possible time. During fuel checks I thoroughly drained the gascolator. When the aircraft is on the ground, though, the bottom/rear of the fuel tank may have trapped some of the water. Heres what Ill do different procedurally: - I wont just drain the gascolator. Ill collect a proper fuel sample with a clear container so I can determine how much water Im actually drawing off. - If the tank is not equipped with its own sump (i.e. using just the gascolator as the sump) I will raise the tail, rock the wings, etc., in order to more thoroughly check for water that may be hiding in the tank. - I will protect the gas tank and my portable gas cans from water contamination by simply covering them. Heres what Id do different design-wise: - I will purposely build a sump into my tank, thereby guaranteeing the ability to drain water from the lowest portion of the tank. Now Ill address the engine failure on takeoff. I had changed the propeller for the trip home and made a quick test flight. During the flight, I noticed a small miss. I returned to Brodhead, landed, checked the engine as best I could, checked for compression on all cylinders, drained yet more fuel, and decided to try the flight again. The aircraft ran up perfectly so I decided to take off. I made it about 1/8 mile south of the airport boundary to about 200 AGL when the aircraft started to slowly lose power. I immediately started a left turn back around to the airport. By the time the turn was complete, and despite putting in what I thought was extensive forward stick, the aircraft lost control and fell to the ground. People arrived within a minute or so of the crash and started coordinating rescue. Heres what Id do differently: - The loss of power was quite gradual, like I was slowly pulling the throttle back. In the future, I will treat that situation the same as a sudden loss of power and land straight ahead. Ive spoken to several people about this scenario and they agree that the gradual loss of power could be confusing. If the engine stops cold theres not much question about committing to the straight-ahead landing. I present all of this for your consideration, education and information. Be advised that Im not really presenting this information for debate. Please use what you can and share as appropriate. Thank you for all of your help, thoughts and prayers. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379951#379951 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
From: "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 03, 2012
FANTASTIC! -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379955#379955 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
Date: Aug 03, 2012
All I can say is "Wow, Douwe!" Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 3:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! Hi everyone, Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the "know" about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted? Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!! Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is she flies as pretty as she looks. That's a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop. She hasn't flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement and help!!!!!!!!!!!!! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 03, 2012
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
I am speechless. That is a really beautiful plane. On 08/03/2012 02:27 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the know > about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted? > > Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!! > > Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is she > flies as pretty as she looks. > > Thats a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop. > > She hasnt flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement and > help!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Douwe > -- Dan Yocum yocum137(at)gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 03, 2012
Just amazing, You can even keep your hands warm in the winter. It's beautiful. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379959#379959 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gerry Holland <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
Date: Aug 03, 2012
Douwe Hi from England. What a beautiful job you have done on this aircraft! Love the colours and finish. It really looks the early 1930's part. Very well done! Regards Gerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 03, 2012
Well said, both Kevin and Jack. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379960#379960 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 03, 2012
THANKS Kevin! No doubt tough to talk about. A couple of OUTSTANDING points worth emphasis. First, I just recently saw some water in fuel for the first time. Over all the years I've been sumping drains, I look for water, have never seen any (I don't think...) and off I've gone. Well, having just seen some recently, it did NOT look like I thought it would have. Who knows if I've flown with water in my fuel or not. The point. Probably worth considering taking whatever you use to look for water, and delibrately put some water in the fuel in your little screw driver fuel checker, drain cup, whatever and see if it looks like what you thought, if you've not seem some before. Try different amounts. Shake it up a little and see how long it takes to coagulate back up to where it's noticable. Etc. Second, the subtle difference between a gradual loss and sudden loss. I've never considered that before and damn glad Kevin brought it up for thought. Years ago, when I was giving safe for solo checkrides in A-4 Skyhawks in the Navy, we had a choice of giving a kid a stuck throttle high or low power. I decided to give this one kid a stuck throttle low power. Not sure why I did it, but I decided to just oscillate the power between 86 and 90 percent, giving an average power of 88 percent, just where I know he'd practiced it before (as that was procedure, and I'd flown with him during training before this checkride). That little difference of it oscillating REALLY threw him for a loop. And honestly, it threw me for a loop that he was performing so poorly. Long story short, he regrouped and got his way through it just fine. I was impressed. During the debrief is when it became so clear how such a small difference affected his thinking. The SAME applies for a power loss. Honestly, I've also always sort of just assumed if I lost an engine, it'd be all at once. Not sure why, I've had a million tractors just gradually lose power... But every engine failure I've practiced in a plane, it was sudden. We fly like we train... we can't help it. At what point do we reach "if there's any doubt, there's no doubt?" TOUGH to put a plane down in a cornfield (with almost certain damage, but survivability) with the engine still running. Just because it's running, doesn't mean it'll let the plane fly. Wow, just tons of food for thought. I certainly have a lot of rethinking to do. My comments, too, aren't intended for debate (though comments are certainly welcome). Indeed there are no correct answers, just a few more things to sit and think about during down time, to apply the next time I'm flying. There but by the grace of God go I. Thanks again Kevin for writing. Speculation doesn't seem to really get the neurons focused like knowing exactly what happened and what can happen. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379968#379968 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Date: Aug 03, 2012
Wow. Just wow. Very nice! Wayne Bressler Taildraggers, Inc. www.taildraggersinc.com On Aug 3, 2012, at 3:27 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" w rote: > Hi everyone, > > Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the =9C know=9D about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted? > > Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!! > > Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is she flie s as pretty as she looks. > > That=99s a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop. > > She hasn=99t flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement a nd help!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Douwe > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 03, 2012
Super Duper and WowWee! That is a NICE looking airplane, Douwe! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379976#379976 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Allan Macklem" <awmacklem(at)cox.net>
Subject: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
Date: Aug 03, 2012
Douwe, good pictures. Really like your colors. How about some pics of the cockpit? Allan Macklem From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! Hi everyone, Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the "know" about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted? Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!! Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is she flies as pretty as she looks. That's a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop. She hasn't flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement and help!!!!!!!!!!!!! Douwe _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned
From: "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 03, 2012
Kevin, I am a new builder and this is the first time I have commented on anything, I think you are right about maintaining flight straight ahead and under control. When I got my multi-engine rating the instructor said if we lost the critical engine and could not maintain airspeed it was better to land straight ahead and under control than upside down and out of control. I am glad to see you getting better. Looks like we will be at the same stage now, I am starting a steel tube air camper.[/b] -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379980#379980 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Lessons learned
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 03, 2012
When I fabricated my replacement fuel tank I actually eliminated the lower rear tank drain that I had in there previously. (Too complicated). Maybe th is was a mistake? I do have two fuel take-offs, one on front and one in bac k. In each of these I bumped the tank down low at that point. Hopefully thi s will help get the water down to the gascolator sump. I have one of those clear vinyl vertical tube fuel gages. This too is connected at a bump out ( down) in the tank. I just have a 1/8" pipe plug in the bottom of that now, but I think I will put a quick drain in there . (I think Gary Boothe has on e in his). I will change my pre-flight procedure, raising the tail and jost ling the fuselage to try to persuade any water either down to the bottom of the fuel gauge, or down the fuel lines to the gascolator sump. I vow to be much more vigilant when checking for water in the drained fuel sample. Thank you Kevin for sharing all this stuff. It will make us all safer. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 03, 2012
Thanks for sharing Kevin... lessons for all of us here. I'm sure that your words and experience will benefit many. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379984#379984 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 03, 2012
This is an exquisite aircraft Douwe! A true work of art. Love that flying p ig hood ornament!!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Lessons learned
Date: Aug 03, 2012
.and I have already worked out a re-routing of my fuel line to eliminate a possible low point prior to the gascolator. Thanks, Kevin! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Lessons learned When I fabricated my replacement fuel tank I actually eliminated the lower rear tank drain that I had in there previously. (Too complicated). Maybe this was a mistake? I do have two fuel take-offs, one on front and one in back. In each of these I bumped the tank down low at that point. Hopefully this will help get the water down to the gascolator sump. I have one of those clear vinyl vertical tube fuel gages. This too is connected at a bump out (down) in the tank. I just have a 1/8" pipe plug in the bottom of that now, but I think I will put a quick drain in there . (I think Gary Boothe has one in his). I will change my pre-flight procedure, raising the tail and jostling the fuselage to try to persuade any water either down to the bottom of the fuel gauge, or down the fuel lines to the gascolator sump. I vow to be much more vigilant when checking for water in the drained fuel sample. Thank you Kevin for sharing all this stuff. It will make us all safer. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 03, 2012
From: steve(at)wotelectronics.com
Subject: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
Without a doubt that is one of the nicest Piets yet. When you get ready to sell, I'm ready to buy. I'm 90% serious. :) Wish we had been able to meet when you were in town last year. Steve Ruse Norman, OK On 2012-08-03 14:27, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the "know" about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted? > > Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!! > > Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is she flies as pretty as she looks. > > That's a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop. > > She hasn't flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement and help!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: made first saw dust pile
From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 03, 2012
very exciting day. after many questions of the group and a bunch of prep work at home, i finally started my piet build today. started with the rudder with some good progress. ive got a few pics of a few of my favorite piets hanging up in the shop for inspiration. here goes nothin. Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379991#379991 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 03, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012
Hi Shelley, Glad you and Kevin made it home okay; funny my wife said the same thing when I had my knee joint replacement. She was tired and I was fine! Thanks to you wives we men are living longer. Tell Kevin Hi from me and Arlene and will be looking for an update on FBG. Best wishes and prayers, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 03, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
What a beautiful (Re-)Piet Douwe. I love your long exhaust pipes and the cowling; really 1930's. Great job. Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Aug 03, 2012
Subject: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
Wow, that grill screams ArtDeco. Love it. Looks like it should have been on "the Rocketeer"! Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Date: Friday, August 3, 2012 14:31 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! > Hi everyone, > > > > Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the > "know"about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted? > > > > Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!! > > > > Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is > she flies > as pretty as she looks. > > > > That's a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop. > > > > She hasn't flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement and > help!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Douwe > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 03, 2012
Awesome Douwe! Looks great! I like the green trim you added. Goes really well with the base color. Very nice! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380012#380012 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <operationaxel(at)gmail.com>
Subject: The final hours of Operation Axel
Date: Aug 03, 2012
Good evening ladies and gents, Just wanted to drop a quick note and announce the impending official close of Operation Axel at midnight, August 4! In one week this most excellent community of Pietenpol family and friends have contributed more than $2,000 to help Kevin and Shelley offset the cost of the unfortunate events that transpired after Brodhead. In addition to the monetary goodwill and contributions, Jim Markle has been taking down a list of parts and supplies that are being made available to help FBG (and her family) return to the skies once again. Truly an awesome thing! So, we are open to receive contributions for one more day.if you have contributed, thank you so very much for your generosity. In this economy (and especially around Brodhead/Oshkosh time) it is certainly not easy to scrape together the funds. If you still wish to contribute and have not, I welcome the paperwork! :) Thank you all again, and have a safe and happy weekend, Ryan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Kevin and H2O...
Date: Aug 04, 2012
First off, I want to say "THANK YOU" to Kevin for your willingness to share some hard stuff with us. I know from my experience that sending those emails describing such an incident is very, very difficult. Secondly, I want to say that you are the THIRD guy I've known who's been shot down because of water in the fuel, yes THREE! I think my take-away is this is an area where it pays to be super nit-picky about. When designing your system, imagine putting a couple cups of fuel into your empty tank then ask yourself, could you drain that out? if not, then you cannot get all the water out. Water will act just like that as it stays under the fuel and slides around like mercury. It can sit in a corner, or around a fuel strainer that sticks up too far or in a low spot in a line until a certain attitude is achieved at which time that slug of water will roll over to the strainer and enter the line. You want there to be no possible spot for water to hide when the tank is at the same position it will be in the three-point position. If it can't enter the lines at the three-point, but wants to collect near the back, install a sump at the very back end of the tank and put a quick drain so you can drain there and at the gascolator. Or be sure to raise the tail and slosh it over to the strainers. Also be sure all your fuel lines run downhill at all times, including at the three-point position. I routed mine so the lines came down the cabanes, then ran forward along the fuse for a bit. I angled them down as they ran along the fuse, but then noticed that with the tail down, they were actually running uphill a bit forming a sump which could have trapped some water at the three point until the tail was raised at which point the water would travel into the gascolator, AFTER I had drained the gascolator. Thanks again Kevin! And Shelley, I love how you're taking care of your MAN!! Let's all be careful out there.. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 04, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Progress Update
Thank you Vic.-- It is funny you mention the shop...I need to move the plane 90 degrees, point is more-east as opposed to the current north), -so I will have room to mount the engine mount and engine, as well as the tail pieces. To do so, I need to move around everything else in the shop. I thought while doing that, I might as well give the shop a "good cleaning. "- If I did not clean up as much, I may have the plane done... - Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 04, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel tank shut off valve
Hello Steve. ACS sells a mini ball valve that requires very little effort t o move the handle. The handle is quite large, but I plan to machine mine do wn some...like Mike Cuy did his. - I too was going to attach my valve at the tank, but Mike Cuy was concerned that by working the valve, over time, that rocking stress may fatigue the a luminum tank where it attaches.- His valve is mounted off of the firewall ...a stronger structure. I will be doing this as well. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 04, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
It usually takes something special, unique if you will, to get my attention . I have seen quite a few pictures of Pietenpols over the years and have se en a lot of very nice planes. Yours however has really got my attention, I am very impressed! Outstanding!- Love the long exhaust pipes. (I believe you took some flak when you first brought up that idea...?)- The plane is very unique and has a very artistic/art-deco look, which I think is great! I like the artistic flair and deviation from the norm! - I too am VERY curious as to your engine cooling. PLEASE keep us posted on t hat! I will be working on cowlings/cooling pretty soon and if I can get awa y with no eye brows for my engine cooling... - Again, plane is outstanding!- Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 04, 2012
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Donated parts for FBG rebuild.
I have forwarded the list of "fbg_parts(at)mindspring.com" parts and your contact info to Kevin. And thank you! If you have anything to help out with and did not send it to the fbg_parts email address, please send Kevin a note directly. We don't want to miss anything that may have been offered only on the Matronics list. And, since it's time to get started ordering parts, we don't want him to order anything that may just be a UPS delivery away from your shop. Kevin's email address: kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil JM ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 04, 2012
That sculpture is truly beautiful... and how you managed to make the bronze look like fabric is AMAZING...!! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380036#380036 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RE-PIET
From: Gerry Holland <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
Date: Aug 04, 2012
Douwe Hi! Your words: If the temps are higher than comfortable, my winter project will be to fabricate cooling eyebrows. Based on the wonderful work you have done on your Pietenpol it may well be you have an Art Deco style version of the 'eyebrows' in mind. I look forward those but..... I was going to fabricate new eyebrows but ended up buying them from a company in Czechoslovakia. They are now fitted and are great. I polished the aluminium to get vintage look. Might add emblem in brass or copper later. Cost before shipping was 199 Euros ($250) for the pair including fittings and templates if needed for repair. They were properly riveted and fitted straightaway. Their contact details are: http://www.falconaircraft.cz/inzerce/inzerat/piper-j3-cub-l4-baffle-cowlin g-set-continental-engines-c65-c85-c90-0-200a Photo attached showing mine on an old Corben with A75. Regards Gerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fuel tank shut off valve
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 04, 2012
Scout has one fuel shutoff valve and it's the 1/4" brass miniature ball valve offered by Aircraft Spruce as part no. 05-23325. The valve is the first thing off the nose tank outlet so when it's shut off, the only fuel is in the tank (none in hoses). I have a push-pull knob in the cockpit with Bowden cable control of the lever handle on the valve. I had to add an aluminum piece to the standard valve handle to get the best leverage on it through the full stroke of the on-off knob due to the geometry of my setup. I have all power controls in the airplane set up so that "everything full forward" gives max power... throttle, carb heat, fuel selector. I used EZ Turn on all of the fuel and oil line fittings on the airplane; no teflon tape, no pipe dope. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380046#380046 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: taxi tests..
Date: Aug 04, 2012
I'm gonna get yelled at but I got the tail up today, but here's why. Taxied her a bunch yesterday to let the axle bearings and drum brakes break-in. Everything seemed good. Today, there was a VERY strong wind coming straight down the runway so I could get the tail up with a ground speed of MAYBE 15. Hard to get in trouble.. Anyways, she's tracking true and everything seems good. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: taxi tests..
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 04, 2012
Douwe, No yelling from this quarter. Awesome news. You are going to be the test pi lot, right? This would be my recommendation to anybody that spent major por tions of their life in this endeavor. My recommendation would be to get ade quate taildragger instruction until one feels prepared to fly the Piet. The n, if anything bad happens, you are only second-guessing yourself instead o f the test pilot. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Sat, Aug 4, 2012 2:08 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: taxi tests.. I=99m gonna get yelled at but I got the tail up today,but here =99s why Taxied her a bunch yesterday to let the axle bearings anddrum brakes break- in. Everything seemed good. Today, there was a VERY strong wind coming straight down therunway so I cou ld get the tail up with a ground speed of MAYBE 15. Hard to getin trouble. . Anyways, she=99s tracking true and everything seemsgood. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Date: Aug 04, 2012
OH! MY GOSH! That is one fine " Ship ". Let's see the panel. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380061#380061 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 04, 2012
Douwe: I think you out-did yourself-I like this one even better than your practice number one.She should fly like a crowned queen, Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380065#380065 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <operationaxel(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Operation Axel has come to a conclusion
Date: Aug 05, 2012
As of the beginning of this writing, it is now midnight, and Operation Axel has drawn to a close. By drawn to a close, I mean that we are no longer actively soliciting contributions. For those whose contributions are on the way, that is fine.and if you are just now seeing the postings or have sent the information to others, additional contributions are certainly welcome. Please be patient with me..I am going to wait one week to deliver the final count of contributions, as I am anticipating a number of checks in the mail yet. At that point I will send Kevin and Shelley a lump sum check for the collected amount, and will do so every week until y'all stop sending me money. :P I feel safe in saying that, on behalf and Kevin and Shelley and those of us fortunate to organize Operation Axel, we all thank you so very much for reaching out to helping valued members of our aviation and Pietenpol community in their trying time. Thank you all again for your generosity.a pretty amazing thing that has its genesis in one young Minnesotan's desire to see the world from just a little ways up. Enjoy the rest of your weekend, Ryan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Aug 05, 2012
Subject: Pilot's bill of rights
FYI excuse the press release. forwarded from the Beechlist. While most Piet flyers don't tangle with the FAA as much as Bonanza drivers, this is still good news for all. It gives some needed protections. While most FAA employees are good and do their jobs, some have gone overboard and then gotten the bureaucracy to dig in it's heels. This should help. Blue Skies, Steve Dortch From: Clay, Julia (Inhofe) FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: CONTACT: Jared Young August 3, 2012 Donelle Harder INHOFES PILOTS BILL OF RIGHTS BECOMES LAW WASHINGTON, D.C. U.S. Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.), a member of the Senate General Aviation Caucus and certified flight instructor with more than 10,000 flight hours, today announced that his Pilot's Bill of Rights (S.1335) has been officially signed into law. Inhofe has worked to pass the legislation for the past year. In the Senate where the bill enjoyed co-sponsorship by 65 other Senators, the measure passed by unanimous consent in June. The House passed the measure by a voice vote. Last October, the bill garnered the endorsement of pilot and actor Harrison Ford. The next month, the bill crossed an important milestone gaining its 60thco-sponsor in the Senate. This is a great day for General Aviation, and this would not have happened without the support of so many pilots all across this country, said Inhofe. With their help and the work of so many of my colleagues in the House and Senate, we were able to overcome opposition to this law from the Obama administration with a veto proof majority. Inhofe continued, Just last week at Oshkosh, we celebrated the bill getting through Congress. Now, with the Presidents signature, it is officially the law of the land. I appreciate the help of great organizations like AOPA and EAA. Over the course of my years in Congress, I have helped an untold number of pilots facing the pressure of dealing with the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). This bill remedies many of the most serious deficiencies in the relationship between general aviation and the FAA, and ensures that pilots are, like everyone else, treated in a fair and equitable manner by the justice system. DETAILS ABOUT THE PILOT'S BILL OF RIGHTS Makes FAA Enforcement Proceedings and NTSB Review Fair for Pilots a.. Requires NTSB review of FAA enforcement actions to conform, to the extent practicable, with the Federal Rules of Evidence and Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. b.. Requires the FAA to provide timely notice to a pilot who is the subject of an investigation, and that any response by the pilot can be used as evidence against him. c.. Requires that in an FAA enforcement action against a pilot, the FAA must grant the pilot all relevant evidence 30 days prior to a decision to proceed with an enforcement action. This is currently not done and often leaves the pilot grossly uninformed of his violation and recourse. d.. Makes contractor-run flight service station and contract tower communications available to airmen. Currently, if a request is made for flight service station information under FOIA, it is denied to the requestor because the contractor is not the government, per se. However, the contractor is performing an inherently governmental function and this information should be available to pilots who need it to defend themselves in an enforcement proceeding. e.. Removes the special statutory deference as it relates to National Transportation Safety Board reviews of FAA actions. Too often the NTSB rubber stamps a decision of the FAA, giving wide latitude to the FAA and making the appeals process meaningless. This returns NTSBs deference to the FAA to general administrative law principles, just like every other government agency. f.. Allows for Federal district court review of appeals from the NTSB, at the election of the appellant. This is important because a review by the Federal district court is de novo, meaning the pilot gets a new trial with the ability to introduce evidence and a new review of the facts. NOTAM Improvement Program a.. Requires that the FAA undertake a NOTAM Improvement Program, requiring simplification and archival of NOTAMs in a central location. The process by which Notices to Airmen are provided by the FAA has long needed revision. This will ensure that the most relevant information reaches the pilot. Currently, FAA makes pilots responsible for knowledge of pre-flight conditions. Non-profit general aviation groups will make up an advisory panel. Medical Certification Review a.. The FAAs medical certification process has long been known to present a multitude of problems for pilots seeking an airman certificate. The bill requires a GAO review of the FAAs medical certification process and forms, with the goal of demonstrating how the FAA can provide greater clarity in the questions and reduce the instances of misinterpretation that have, in the past, lead to allegations of intentional falsification against pilots. Non-profit general aviation groups will make up an advisory panel, which will give advice to the FAA on how the medical certification process can be improved. The FAA is required to take appropriate action on the GAO recommendations within one year. ### ________________________________________________________________________________
From: V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Progress Update
Date: Aug 05, 2012
My shop is 30 X 32. We shuffled the shop a couple of times while building t he plane. When the wings went on we had the plane orientated so the wings went from corner to corner. The plane used up the shop for four years. Th anks. Vic do not acrhive Date: Sat=2C 4 Aug 2012 06:06:50 -0700 From: speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Progress Update Thank you Vic. It is funny you mention the shop...I need to move the plan e 90 degrees=2C point is more east as opposed to the current north)=2C so I will have room to mount the engine mount and engine=2C as well as the tai l pieces. To do so=2C I need to move around everything else in the shop. I thought while doing that=2C I might as well give the shop a "good cleaning. " If I did not clean up as much=2C I may have the plane done... Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: Aug 05, 2012
I believe Vi Kepler still sells them. Don Larson used sell them but last I heard, he had run out of stock. I got mine from VI but no longer have his address. Probably in the archives somewhere. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380100#380100 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 05, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
I machined out areas to insert the piano hinge. The smallest end mill I had at the time was 1/8", so when inserting the hings, I filled in the gap with a fat Popsicle stick. The entire assembly is epoxied in place. Next, I drilled through the wood and hinge, then used countersunk screws and T nuts. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: "RE-PIET" cockpit shots as requested
Date: Aug 05, 2012
Here are some cockpit shots as requested. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables
From: "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu>
Date: Aug 05, 2012
I am fitting my drag/anti-drag cables and have found that each one touches a single rib spruce spacer along the way. I guess I expected that to some degree. Upon tensioning them, do I let them touch the spacer and use something to protect the wood (like the cable on the horizontal stabilizer) or is it sound/appropriate to Dremel away enough wood at the point they touch and reinforce the spacer? I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has run into this problem and "solved" it. Thanks, Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380136#380136 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 05, 2012
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables
The best way to do it is to move your ribs from side to side to avoid any contact. However I glued my ribs in place as indicated on the plans prior to fitting the drag/antidrag wires and ended up with several contacts as you described. What I did was scab in a doubler on affected diagonals and then doing as you described to create the clearance. I imagine these wires can vibrate some in flight, so you wouldn't want any contact. You don't want the possibility of chafing where the wires cross each other either, so insulate them from each other too. Ben Charvet Titusville, Fl NX866BC On 8/5/2012 9:15 PM, tdudley(at)umn.edu wrote: > > I am fitting my drag/anti-drag cables and have found that each one touches a single rib spruce spacer along the way. I guess I expected that to some degree. Upon tensioning them, do I let them touch the spacer and use something to protect the wood (like the cable on the horizontal stabilizer) or is it sound/appropriate to Dremel away enough wood at the point they touch and reinforce the spacer? > > I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has run into this problem and "solved" it. > > Thanks, > > Tom > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380136#380136 > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 05, 2012
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
The eyebolt hinge is described in the Tony Bingelis books, but at the prices of AN eyebolts I believe the Vi Kapler hinges would be cheaper. I bought mine from him about 5 years ago. He isn't on the Matronics list, but I found his phone number in the archives: |*Vitalis Kapler 507-288-3322. I haven't been to Brodhead in a few years, but is he still coming? Ben Charvet Titusville, Fl *| ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
From: "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au>
Date: Aug 06, 2012
I used the hinges from Vi I do have his number somewhere but it should be in the archives somewhere as someone on here gave it to me,If you can't find it I will dig it out Gee I miss building my Piet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380156#380156 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/peitenpol_076_498.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/peitenpol_066_914.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/peitenpol_062_136.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
Striving for all the weight savings you can get is a great idea. Curious my self, I took some pictures of the components that make up my hinges.- Kee p in mind the hinge shown is larger than the rudder/elevator hinges. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Finish tapes
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2012
I worked all weekend on finish taping my wing.. got the last couple of stitches done saturday morning. I'm use the ekobond and i like it a lot... its easy to work with and no smells or MEK.. you may notice its not blue.. i got it in the linen color.. mostly because i just didn't like the blue. taping took longer than i thought ... and if you guys could have seen my flip the wing yesterday by myself.....wow... i don't recommend it. jeff http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l593/jfaithbass/IMG_20120805_161617.jpg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380199#380199 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Aileron Piano Hinge
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2012
I'm just a little confused here as I am veering from the plans by using a piano hinge for the ailerons. Look at the attached photos and tell me if this is where the hinge is located or is it raised to the top of the cap strip when the aileron is cut out? Nothing is mounted yet including the cap strip. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380221#380221 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07694_708.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Aileron Piano Hinge
Date: Aug 06, 2012
John, the ailerons are designed to have the hinge line flush with the top of the wing. I don't see any reason why your location won't work, but it's not the way the plane was designed. Here are a couple of photos of mine, since I also used piano hinges: Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Piano Hinge I'm just a little confused here as I am veering from the plans by using a piano hinge for the ailerons. Look at the attached photos and tell me if this is where the hinge is located or is it raised to the top of the cap strip when the aileron is cut out? Nothing is mounted yet including the cap strip. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380221#380221 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07694_708.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 06, 2012
Subject: aileron piano hinge placement
John-- many of us have been flying with aileron piano hinges for many years with great success. Mount the top of your hinge flush with the top of your wing. The top of t he hinge is even with the fabric of the wing and aileron. You'll seal the gap that way giving you good ail eron control and won't have to use tapes or other methods to seal the aileron gap. Hope this helps, ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2012
Jack, I understand what you are saying but picturing how this all fits together is what has me confused. I was trying to find a picture of an uncovered hinge installed. So is my rear aileron spar in the correct position? After cutting out the aileron the hinge is raised to mount flush with the top surface of the wing which exposes the top, rear 1/2 inch of the piano hinge? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380226#380226 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: Aug 06, 2012
John, Don't forget, you need to add filler strips to the tops of those spars. Gary from Cool ------Original Message------ From: John Francis Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge Sent: Aug 6, 2012 4:14 PM Jack, I understand what you are saying but picturing how this all fits together is what has me confused. I was trying to find a picture of an uncovered hinge installed. So is my rear aileron spar in the correct position? After cutting out the aileron the hinge is raised to mount flush with the top surface of the wing which exposes the top, rear 1/2 inch of the piano hinge? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380226#380226 Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2012
So I add 1/4" by 1/4" filler strip on the tops of both aileron beams? These then sandwich the top of the piano hinge....correct? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380231#380231 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Lessons Learned
Date: Aug 06, 2012
John, I have a J3 tank in Felix my GN1. There was an AD for the J3 to add a drain at the back of the tank, mine had a threaded insert installed there already. I got a saf-air drain valve with the correct threads and installed it. The AD for the J3 used a plastic tube that runs out the floor of the fuse, but there is not room in the Piet front pit to do that, so I have to be carful my drain doesn't drip and the passengers are briefed not to jam their knee up against the drain. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kuhfahl Sent: 8/6/2012 5:04:42 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lessons Learned I have a stock J3 fuselage tank in my Piet--the engineers put the outlet in the center of the tank. Why I don't know... John ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: Aug 07, 2012
Yes. ------Original Message------ From: John Francis Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge Sent: Aug 6, 2012 5:17 PM So I add 1/4" by 1/4" filler strip on the tops of both aileron beams? These then sandwich the top of the piano hinge....correct? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380231#380231 Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge
Date: Aug 06, 2012
No it doesn't! The rear half of the piano hinge bolts to the aileron. The knuckle of the hinge is the only thing that shows with the hinge attached to both the wing and the aileron. C ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge > > Jack, I understand what you are saying but picturing how this all fits > together is what has me confused. I was trying to find a picture of an > uncovered hinge installed. So is my rear aileron spar in the correct > position? After cutting out the aileron the hinge is raised to mount > flush with the top surface of the wing which exposes the top, rear 1/2 > inch of the piano hinge? > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380226#380226 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma
From: "TaiwanTeacher" <maine_sciguy(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 07, 2012
Greetings, Mark, et al. Your thread popped up on a search yesterday (Aug 6th), as I sometimes perform one on the anniversary of my father's death in a Pietenpol crash back in 1983 in Shelton Washington. You see... I am Orrin D. Hoopman, grandson of Orrin C. Hoopman. Not sure if any of you Pietenpol buffs know the bit of trivia that Orrin C.'s eldest son died while being blessed to be a passenger in a Pietenpol for the first time since he rode in his father's Air Camper back when he was four years old, circa 1938. Delbert Orrin Hoopman (my father) and I had searched airshows for years trying to find any Pietenpols. We sure found a beauty that day, the prettiest one we had ever seen. The owner/pilot (who survived the crash) was a wonderful guy named Fred Imrie from British Columbia. I lost contact with him years ago, but continue to wish him well on these anniversaries. Please take good care of my Aunt Bernis "Bernie" and all her family when you hook up with them in OK. Tell her that Orrin says, "Hello from Taiwan!" Over and out. -------- Pietenpol's Forever! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380262#380262 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge
Date: Aug 07, 2012
John here are some shots... http://textors.com/Ailerons_003.jpg http://textors.com/Ailerons_002.jpg http://textors.com/9-25-08_003.jpg Jack Textor DSM NX1929T -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge So I add 1/4" by 1/4" filler strip on the tops of both aileron beams? These then sandwich the top of the piano hinge....correct? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380231#380231 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge
Date: Aug 07, 2012
John, I don't have any really clear pictures showing the aileron hinges before covering, but here is the best I've got: In this picture you can only see one of the piano hinges installed. I made my hinges in sections to allow the wing to flex without binding the hinges - a suggestion from Tony Bingelis that turns out to be totally unnecessary. Many Piet builders have installed their hinges in one continuous 6' length, which is much easier to install. Anyway, this picture shows the filler strips you need to add between the ribs on the aileron spars. The piano hinges are installed with one tab bolted to the aft face of the wing's spar and the other bolted to the front face of the aileron spar, with the hinge pin flush with the top of the wing. Does this make it any clearer for you? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge Jack, I understand what you are saying but picturing how this all fits together is what has me confused. I was trying to find a picture of an uncovered hinge installed. So is my rear aileron spar in the correct position? After cutting out the aileron the hinge is raised to mount flush with the top surface of the wing which exposes the top, rear 1/2 inch of the piano hinge? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380226#380226 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2012
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Aileron Piano Hinge ideas
I don't know what the exact aileron question was but...here are a couple ideas for the aileron/piano hinge mounting process. I used T nuts screwed in with small wood screws....epoxied the screws in during "final" assembly of the T nuts. The piano hinge is flush with the top of the rib and 1/4" spacing pieces. Haven't mounted the newly covered aileron but I'll make a note if there are any issues. Don't expect any. I would be glad to take more pics if requested. One more note: mykitplane.com is down right now (at least for me....). These pics came from my offline copy of the website. I would recommend anyone using mykitplane (as I have for years) to "spider" your build log from time to time. Spidering applications make exact, usable copys of websites (google "teleport pro") so you'll have it even if/when it disappears. Takes a little time but we've spent a LOT of time compiling that info, right?! Jim in Pryor (well, Tampa FL today....) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 90 Year Old Piet Builder
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 07, 2012
Saw this on the local news this morning about a 90 year old guy who's building a Piet in his garage in MN. Nice craftsmanship. The guy is inspiring. http://www.keyc.tv/story/19209104/90-?clienttype=printable Patrick Hoyt Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380272#380272 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge ideas
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Aug 07, 2012
Jim, First, thanks for pictures. It looks like you used full width capstrip on the rear aileron beam and 1/4" width capstrip on the front aileron beam? My kitplane is down for a few days as I received this email from Gary McNeel, the owner after I questioned why the site was down. John: Thank you. I just found out myself. I wrote the site years ago and inadvertently left a way for hackers to inject SQL. This allowed them to overwrite some code. I need to break out the old code and fix the bug. Then deploy. Then put the database back out there. It'll be a few days or so until I can knock it out. Thank you for heads up. Gary McNeel I will look into the spider software once it is back up and running as I have fears that some day it may just disappear! -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380273#380273 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2012
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge ideas
Well, looks like I used 1/4"....but probably because I have a bunch of 1/4" strips...that piece probably doesn't do much more than make the surface flush all the way across. Wouldn't want to use 1/16 or 1/8 but I'm thinking use 1/4" and save a tiny bit of weight at the same time. Having done some tape/fabric covering (one of the two ailerons is now covered/primed, ready for final paint) I would say just don't go over the width of your tape....so you can just use one piece of tape in that area.... :-) JM -----Original Message----- >From: John Francis <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> >Sent: Aug 7, 2012 9:10 AM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge ideas > > >Jim, > >First, thanks for pictures. > >It looks like you used full width capstrip on the rear aileron beam and 1/4" width capstrip on the front aileron beam? > >My kitplane is down for a few days as I received this email from Gary McNeel, the owner after I questioned why the site was down. > >John: > >Thank you. I just found out myself. I wrote the site years ago and inadvertently left a way for hackers to inject SQL. This allowed them to overwrite some code. I need to break out the old code and fix the bug. Then deploy. Then put the database back out there. It'll be a few days or so until I can knock it out. Thank you for heads up. > >Gary McNeel > >I will look into the spider software once it is back up and running as I have fears that some day it may just disappear! > >-------- >John Francis > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380273#380273 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2012
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: For Sale: N8031
Hi all, Well, the time has come. My girls are about to enter kindergarten with all the things that entails - swim lessons, piano lessons, homework, PTO, etc. etc. etc. So, I will now become a builder instead of a flyer for the next dozen years or so. I'm asking the same price I paid - $12,000 - but, I'm willing to negotiate. Without further ado, here are some details on N8031: Built in 1979, covered in Stits Polyfiber, A65-8F, ~475hr TTAF and SMOH, McCauley 74-42 prop, 14.5g tank, empty weight is 710lbs, max weight is 1200lbs. Max pilot (rear seat) weight is 210lb. Here are some pictures: https://picasaweb.google.com/100843558075002483077/N8031 Here are some videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DLGrLdN6AI&feature=g-upl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecpxxpuhU-M&list=LLPRvaHfVpvUpy8n_-iKgE4g&feature=mh_lolz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddUgZzWq0js http://www.youtube.com/watch?v-P9_-6cIWI Thanks! Dan -- Dan Yocum yocum137(at)gmail.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
From: "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net>
Date: Aug 07, 2012
This is the hinge setup for elevator and rudder on my Piet, light & strong. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380298#380298 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00310_555.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00308_959.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: stall characteristics
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 07, 2012
Hello, Before anything, its nice to see Kevin back again with a lesson in hand. By the moment my wife don read this mails... thanks God, because if she do it, my project finished in the fireplace [Wink] July was a hard month, and even august.. I did't work on the airplane, but I read a lot abot a lot of things.. one of them was stall, how, when,devices, etc, etc. What are the Pietenpol stall characteristics?.. do you use any warning device?.. what kind of them?... If you can ilustrate me a little about this .. Thnak you. -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380301#380301 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2012
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: stall characteristics
Mario, N8031 stalls very much like a Piper J-3 Cub - straight ahead and very mushy at 30-35mph. I do not have a stall indicator, but it's very easy to tell when it's about to stall since all the dirt on the floor flies up in your face because of the air getting into the cockpit. Ciao! Dan On 08/07/2012 12:54 PM, giacummo wrote: > > Hello, > > Before anything, its nice to see Kevin back again with a lesson in hand. By the moment my wife don read this mails... thanks God, because if she do it, my project finished in the fireplace [Wink] > > July was a hard month, and even august.. I did't work on the airplane, but I read a lot abot a lot of things.. one of them was stall, how, when,devices, etc, etc. > > What are the Pietenpol stall characteristics?.. do you use any warning device?.. what kind of them?... > > If you can ilustrate me a little about this .. > > Thnak you. > > -------- > Mario Giacummo > http://vgmk1.blogspot.com > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380301#380301 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: rudder and elevator hinge decision
Thank you Allen. The hinge used is MS20001-6 from Aircraft Spruce.- The T -nuts I believe came from McMaster Carr. - Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
I am very curious to know what the safety concerns are with using piano hinge on the elevators. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 07, 2012
Subject: Sonex
Somebody better tell Sonex about these dangerous piano hinges.... [cid:image001.png(at)01CD74C3.B597C680] ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: stall characteristics
Date: Aug 07, 2012
NX18235 stalls very gently. It just gives a gentle buffet and the nose mushes down. The Johnson airspeed indicator is bouncing around at some ridiculously low number during this. This is with the original Pietenpol airfoil. No stall warning system is installed other than "the seat of my pants." Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 12:54 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: stall characteristics > > > Hello, > > Before anything, its nice to see Kevin back again with a lesson in hand. > By the moment my wife don read this mails... thanks God, because if she do > it, my project finished in the fireplace [Wink] > > July was a hard month, and even august.. I did't work on the airplane, but > I read a lot abot a lot of things.. one of them was stall, how, > when,devices, etc, etc. > > What are the Pietenpol stall characteristics?.. do you use any warning > device?.. what kind of them?... > > If you can ilustrate me a little about this .. > > Thnak you. > > -------- > Mario Giacummo > http://vgmk1.blogspot.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380301#380301 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
FYI, Tony's yellow book page 74, CONTROL HINGES. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 90 Year Old Piet Builder
From: "proplock" <proplock(at)federatedwildblue.com>
Date: Aug 07, 2012
Visited Mr. Royer a couple of years ago. he was a navigator in a PBY, retired from heating/ac/plumbing business, a real inspiration. His shop isn't all that big,but he made some jigs, to turn the fuse., wings. Super can do attitude, just a real joy. He was working on the fuse., wings framed up when we visited. made a lot of tools from old furnace motors, grinders,polishers, and he restored ,I believe, 5 automobiles , one for each child, makes me think what am I doing???? -------- A remarkable lad , capable of many things Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380350#380350 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Quick Progress Update
From: "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu>
Date: Aug 08, 2012
Kevin, When I am not building my Piet I make my living rodding/nailing femurs and fixing broken bones. I met you and Mark Chouinard together briefly at Oshkosh last year (the EAA welding seminar) and I don't suspect you remember, but I've been following your progress on the list. For what it's worth, I firmly believe people recover from their injuries with attitude, love, and prayer. From the picture you posted, it's clear you have all three. Best wishes for your continued good progress and recovery. You are ahead of schedule from what I can tell. They must have good Docs at Madison (not as good, maybe, as the University of Minnesota, but that is open for debate!). Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380363#380363 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kevin's Balancing Act
From: woodflier(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 08, 2012
Kevin, you look a heck of a lot better than the last time we saw you. Now w e want to see Shelley looking equally rested and relaxed. Thanks for the vi sual update. Matt and Lynne Paxton ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Quick Progress Update
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 08, 2012
Wow, How do you do that???? It takes my body weeks for a cut to heal. Great to see you up and smiling. Next week you will be hopping one foot and cutting ribs all at the same time. Good Job, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380375#380375 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Circuit Breakers
From: "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2012
Is there a way to test the push to reset breakers? Thanks! Jack Textor Sent from my iPad ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Circuit Breakers
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2012
Set up a circuit (e=ir) to run it near max capacity, make sure it doesn't blow, then again above rated capacity, make sure it does. However, many circuit breakers are only warranted until they blow THE FIRST time, then the warranty is void. Seriously. More normal way to check it, put it inline between battery terminals then short circuit them. Not nearly as precise, but generally lets you know that it's working. Many commercial electricians find the circuit they want to work on, by shorting it out and then finding the tripped breaker. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380384#380384 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Quick Progress Update
From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Date: Aug 08, 2012
As Billy Crystal would say " Kevin, you look MARVELOUS." Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380405#380405 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sonex
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 08, 2012
Those hinge-less ailerons work good. I did the phase one test flights on my friends 601 HDS. My only complaint I had was that my arm would get tired if I did too much pattern work in crosswinds. They are stiffer than most other planes. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380406#380406 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sonex
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 08, 2012
Oh, I thought they would work harden and get stiffer. But what do I know??? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380409#380409 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: stall characteristics
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2012
resuming, no stall warning, the feelings are enough. isn't it? thank you. -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380412#380412 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Aug 08, 2012
Well, after ten years of work and one MAJOR setback and rebuild (hence the name RE-PIET) NX799B successfully flew this morning! I am in the process of posting the video on youtube and will send the link as soon as I can get my kid to do it for me. My test pilot who is also my instructor flies the Ford trimotor for the EAA, is an acrobatic instructor and has tons of big biplane time. He also weighs 225lbs. While my empty weight (TOW for those overseas) was heavy at 816 with oil, her CG was very good. She can carry a 230 pounder with 12 gallons before we get to 20", and can carry a 200 pounder with 20 gallons before we hit our rear CG. The weight is all forward and the heaviness is attributable to the use of douglas fir, C-90 with starter, generator and battery. A 20 gal wing tank, mufflers, sidepipes and heavy landing gear. However, I made the tail VERY light and it paid off. I'm using a Cloud Car prop and the combo of the C-90 and that prop seems to really help her climb. Here's the scoop. Tail was up before 2,000rpm, she evidently "levitated" off the pavement after maybe a 100ft roll and climbed VERY well. I have it on video which I'm posting. We don't know what she climbed at but from his experience he guessed 6-700fpm. All I know is we were two thirds down a 4,000 runway, he took off from the far end and before he was halfway to us was at 200 ft and turning away from the airport. The climb was deceptively steep, kind of like a big biplane. Just kind of goes up like an elevator, but very slowly. He says she flies hands off and the rigging doesn't need to be changed. Stalls very straight and kind of mushes. Did two very tight circles, he said about 2.5 g's and she showed no tendency to do anything bad. Got her up to about 100 in a shallow dive and the wings didn't come off. She landed easily on the pavement and tracked straight and true. Smoke system worked too, though I got oil on my tail. I have to modify the brake cables as the inner housing pulled through the plastic housing during run up, so I have to find some stouter cable ends. My instructor comes back on the 27th, at which time we'll fly the champ a bit and then off I go!! GOD IS GOOD. Douwe Ps. Keving, I can't believe that picture of you! PSS. DAN, I was hoping to fly formation with you next year!! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Aug 08, 2012
Subject: Douwe's Pietenpol flew today!
Incredibly GREAT news Douwe! The first (possibly) of many congratulations to you and Marci! Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Douwe's Pietenpol flew today!
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 08, 2012
Worth RE-PIETing, Congratulations !!!!!!!!!!!!! -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380425#380425 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 08, 2012
Oooh Hoooo!! Yea baby!! Can't wait to see the vid!! Congrats my friend!! do not achive Dan Helsper Puryear, TN I ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2012
Douwe congratulations, fantastic news! Was that your first run on the engin e or did you break-in on the ground? Jack Textor Sent from my iPad On Aug 8, 2012, at 1:16 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" w rote: > Well, after ten years of work and one MAJOR setback and rebuild (hence the name RE-PIET) NX799B successfully flew this morning! > > I am in the process of posting the video on youtube and will send the link as soon as I can get my kid to do it for me > > My test pilot who is also my instructor flies the Ford trimotor for the EA A, is an acrobatic instructor and has tons of big biplane time. He also wei ghs 225lbs. > > While my empty weight (TOW for those overseas) was heavy at 816 with oil, h er CG was very good. She can carry a 230 pounder with 12 gallons before we g et to 20=9D, and can carry a 200 pounder with 20 gallons before we hit our rear CG. The weight is all forward and the heaviness is attributable t o the use of douglas fir, C-90 with starter, generator and battery. A 20 ga l wing tank, mufflers, sidepipes and heavy landing gear. However, I made th e tail VERY light and it paid off. I=99m using a Cloud Car prop and t he combo of the C-90 and that prop seems to really help her climb. > > Here=99s the scoop. > > Tail was up before 2,000rpm, she evidently =9Clevitated=9D off the pavement after maybe a 100ft roll and climbed VERY well. I have it on v ideo which I=99m posting. We don=99t know what she climbed at b ut from his experience he guessed 6-700fpm. All I know is we were two third s down a 4,000 runway, he took off from the far end and before he was halfwa y to us was at 200 ft and turning away from the airport. The climb was dece ptively steep, kind of like a big biplane. Just kind of goes up like an ele vator, but very slowly. > > He says she flies hands off and the rigging doesn=99t need to be cha nged. Stalls very straight and kind of mushes. Did two very tight circles, he said about 2.5 g=99s and she showed no tendency to do anything bad . Got her up to about 100 in a shallow dive and the wings didn=99t co me off. She landed easily on the pavement and tracked straight and true. S moke system worked too, though I got oil on my tail. > > I have to modify the brake cables as the inner housing pulled through the p lastic housing during run up, so I have to find some stouter cable ends. My instructor comes back on the 27th, at which time we=99ll fly the cham p a bit and then off I go!! > > GOD IS GOOD > > Douwe > > Ps. Keving, I can=99t believe that picture of you! > > PSS. DAN, I was hoping to fly formation with you next year!! > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Aug 08, 2012
Congratulations Douwe! Can't imagine how that must feel. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380431#380431 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 08, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, congratulaltions Douwe!!! Re-Piet is beautiful and now a full fledged airplane. Looking forward to seeing her next year at Brodhead. Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: Aug 08, 2012
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