Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-lj
August 08, 2012 - August 23, 2012
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| Subject: | Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Douwe, FELICITACIONES desde Sud America!!!!
Buenos vientos y muchas millas como dice por aca ;o)))
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380449#380449
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Progress Update |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
@Gardiner - As mentioned in my "Lessons Learned" post: land straight ahead following
a power failure on takeoff as we've been taught. Turning can lead to loss
of lift, falling out of the sky, nose down, right wing low. Most of my injuries
were from hitting my right side when the aircraft struck the ground.
I'll give some more thoughts on how the survivability aspects of the crash played
out. Need to spend a bit more time with the plane looking at the damage.
Gary has admitted that my broken nose was from him stepping on me...
Thanks to all of you for your thoughts and prayers. This is a great group and
God is great!
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380466#380466
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Congradulations, Douwe!=C2- If you can fly the champ you'll have no troub
le with piet.=C2- It just doesn't float=C2-compared to=C2-the champ.
=C2- Good Luck And God bless,
=C2-
Shad
Don't Archive
--- On Wed, 8/8/12, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Wednesday, August 8, 2012, 2:16 PM
Well, after ten years of work and one MAJOR setback and rebuild (hence the
name RE-PIET) NX799B successfully flew this morning!
=C2-
I am in the process of posting the video on youtube and will send the link
as soon as I can get my kid to do it for me
=C2-
My test pilot who is also my instructor flies the Ford trimotor for the EAA
, is an acrobatic instructor and has tons of big biplane time.=C2- He als
o weighs 225lbs.
=C2-
While my empty weight (TOW for those overseas) was heavy at 816 with oil, h
er CG was very good.=C2- She can carry a 230 pounder with 12 gallons befo
re we get to 20=9D, and can carry a 200 pounder with 20 gallons befor
e we hit our rear CG.=C2- The weight is all forward and the heaviness is
attributable to the use of douglas fir, C-90 with starter, generator and ba
ttery.=C2- A 20 gal wing tank, mufflers, sidepipes and heavy landing gear
.=C2- However, I made the tail VERY light and it paid off.=C2- I
=99m using a Cloud Car prop and the combo of the C-90 and that prop seems t
o really help her climb.=C2-
=C2-
Here=99s the scoop.
=C2-
Tail was up before 2,000rpm, she evidently =9Clevitated=9D off
the pavement after maybe a 100ft roll and climbed VERY well.=C2- I have i
t on video which I=99m posting.=C2- We don=99t know what she
climbed at but from his experience he guessed 6-700fpm.=C2- All I know is
we were two thirds down a 4,000 runway, he took off from the far end and b
efore he was halfway to us was at 200 ft and turning away from the airport.
=C2- The climb was deceptively steep, kind of like a big biplane.=C2- J
ust kind of goes up like an elevator, but very slowly.
=C2-
He says she flies hands off and the rigging doesn=99t need to be chan
ged.=C2- Stalls very straight and kind of mushes.=C2- Did two very tigh
t circles, he said about 2.5 g=99s and she showed no tendency to do a
nything bad.=C2- Got her up to about 100 in a shallow dive and the wings
didn=99t come off.=C2- She landed easily on the pavement and tracke
d straight and true.=C2- Smoke system worked too, though I got oil on my
tail.=C2-
=C2-
I have to modify the brake cables as the inner housing pulled through the p
lastic housing during run up, so I have to find some stouter cable ends.=C2
- My instructor comes back on the 27th, at which time we=99ll fly t
he champ a bit and then off I go!!
=C2-
GOD IS GOOD
=C2-
Douwe
=C2-
Ps.=C2- Keving, I can=99t believe that picture of you!
=C2-
PSS.=C2- DAN, I was hoping to fly formation with you next year!!
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| Subject: | Re: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma |
| From: | aircamperace(at)yahoo.com |
I am sorry to hear about your loss.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:26 AM, "TaiwanTeacher" wrote:
>
> Greetings, Mark, et al.
>
> Your thread popped up on a search yesterday (Aug 6th), as I sometimes perform
one on the anniversary of my father's death in a Pietenpol crash back in 1983
in Shelton Washington.
>
> You see... I am Orrin D. Hoopman, grandson of Orrin C. Hoopman.
>
> Not sure if any of you Pietenpol buffs know the bit of trivia that Orrin C.'s
eldest son died while being blessed to be a passenger in a Pietenpol for the
first time since he rode in his father's Air Camper back when he was four years
old, circa 1938. Delbert Orrin Hoopman (my father) and I had searched airshows
for years trying to find any Pietenpols. We sure found a beauty that day, the
prettiest one we had ever seen. The owner/pilot (who survived the crash) was
a wonderful guy named Fred Imrie from British Columbia. I lost contact with
him years ago, but continue to wish him well on these anniversaries.
>
> Please take good care of my Aunt Bernis "Bernie" and all her family when you
hook up with them in OK. Tell her that Orrin says, "Hello from Taiwan!"
>
> Over and out.
>
> --------
> Pietenpol's Forever!
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380262#380262
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Good information on turning back to the runway |
Gentlemen, and Kevin, You might be interested to read some of the articles by Dr
Dave Rogers on turnback after Engine failure. He discusses in depth the options.
They are very scholarly articles and some have complex math, but he does
a good job of explaining thing to me and I am a true luddite.
Dr. Rogers is a Beechcraft Bonanza owner and just retired as the Professor of Aeronautical
Engineering at The Naval Academy (Annapolis). He is a really nice
guy to boot.
He was the chief pilot for the Naval Academy's flight test engineering course.
Here is a link to his technical flying site.
http://www.nar-associates.com/technical-flying/technical-flying.html
Blue Skies
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: T.C. is watching |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I don't feel so bad now. [Laughing]
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380485#380485
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <operationaxel(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Good information on turning back to the runway |
You'll do well to attempt to forgive my ignorance=85..but please remind
me why I have to read scholarly articles with complex math written by a
doctor with a Bonanza=85..that will essentially say "don't do it"? It
kinda feels like swatting a fly with a sledgehammer=85.
Ryan Mueller
rmueller23(at)gmail.com
On Aug 8, 2012, at 10:04 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
wrote:
>
> Gentlemen, and Kevin, You might be interested to read some of the
articles by Dr Dave Rogers on turnback after Engine failure. He
discusses in depth the options. They are very scholarly articles and
some have complex math, but he does a good job of explaining thing to me
and I am a true luddite.
>
> Dr. Rogers is a Beechcraft Bonanza owner and just retired as the
Professor of Aeronautical Engineering at The Naval Academy (Annapolis).
He is a really nice guy to boot.
>
> He was the chief pilot for the Naval Academy's flight test engineering
course.
> Here is a link to his technical flying site.
>
> http://www.nar-associates.com/technical-flying/technical-flying.html
>
> Blue Skies
> Steve D
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Fantatstic, Douwe!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 2:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, after ten years of work and one MAJOR setback and rebuild (hence the
name RE-PIET) NX799B successfully flew this morning!
I am in the process of posting the video on youtube and will send the link
as soon as I can get my kid to do it for me.
My test pilot who is also my instructor flies the Ford trimotor for the EAA,
is an acrobatic instructor and has tons of big biplane time. He also weighs
225lbs.
While my empty weight (TOW for those overseas) was heavy at 816 with oil,
her CG was very good. She can carry a 230 pounder with 12 gallons before we
get to 20", and can carry a 200 pounder with 20 gallons before we hit our
rear CG. The weight is all forward and the heaviness is attributable to the
use of douglas fir, C-90 with starter, generator and battery. A 20 gal wing
tank, mufflers, sidepipes and heavy landing gear. However, I made the tail
VERY light and it paid off. I'm using a Cloud Car prop and the combo of the
C-90 and that prop seems to really help her climb.
Here's the scoop.
Tail was up before 2,000rpm, she evidently "levitated" off the pavement
after maybe a 100ft roll and climbed VERY well. I have it on video which
I'm posting. We don't know what she climbed at but from his experience he
guessed 6-700fpm. All I know is we were two thirds down a 4,000 runway, he
took off from the far end and before he was halfway to us was at 200 ft and
turning away from the airport. The climb was deceptively steep, kind of
like a big biplane. Just kind of goes up like an elevator, but very slowly.
He says she flies hands off and the rigging doesn't need to be changed.
Stalls very straight and kind of mushes. Did two very tight circles, he
said about 2.5 g's and she showed no tendency to do anything bad. Got her
up to about 100 in a shallow dive and the wings didn't come off. She landed
easily on the pavement and tracked straight and true. Smoke system worked
too, though I got oil on my tail.
I have to modify the brake cables as the inner housing pulled through the
plastic housing during run up, so I have to find some stouter cable ends.
My instructor comes back on the 27th, at which time we'll fly the champ a
bit and then off I go!!
GOD IS GOOD.
Douwe
Ps. Keving, I can't believe that picture of you!
PSS. DAN, I was hoping to fly formation with you next year!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Flex fuel line security |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
What is the proper method? I have had hose clamps on my Aeronca for many ye
ars w/no problems.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Flex fuel line security |
Probably something like this, but don't change what aint broke:
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 3:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flex fuel line security
What is the proper method? I have had hose clamps on my Aeronca for many
years w/no problems.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Another Piet is Born |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Congratulations Gary,
You have hit quit a milestone.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380505#380505
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Good information on turning back to the runway |
Well said Ryan. First you have to know how to read and comprehend. Gardiner
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ryan Mueller <opera
tionaxel(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, August
9, 2012 1:45:43 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Good information on turni
ng back to the runway=0A=0AYou'll do well to attempt to forgive my ignoranc
e..but please remind me why I =0Ahave to read scholarly articles w
ith complex math written by a doctor with a =0ABonanza..that will
essentially say "don't do it"? It kinda feels like swatting =0Aa fly with a
sledgehammer.=0A=0A=0ARyan Mueller=0Armueller23(at)gmail.com=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0AOn Aug 8, 2012, at 10:04 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" =0A<
steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> wrote:=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted
by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" =0A=0A>
=0A>Gentlemen, and Kevin, You might be interested to read some of the artic
les by Dr =0A>Dave Rogers on turnback after Engine failure. He discusses in
depth the options. =0A>They are very scholarly articles and some have comp
lex math, but he does a good =0A>job of explaining thing to me and I am a t
rue luddite. =0A>=0A>=0A>Dr. Rogers is a Beechcraft Bonanza owner and just
retired as the Professor of =0A>Aeronautical Engineering at The Naval Acade
my (Annapolis). He is a really nice =0A>guy to boot. =0A>=0A>=0A>He was the
chief pilot for the Naval Academy's flight test engineering course.=0A>Her
e is a link to =C2-his technical flying site. =0A>=0A>http://www.nar-asso
ciates.com/technical-flying/technical-flying.html=0A>=0A>Blue Skies=0A>Stev
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Good information on turning back to the runway |
Well sir, I was a grunt, so I make no guarantees that I can do either.
Snarky and insulting I specialize in, however.
Since we have you, what's the status of your bird?
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 9, 2012, at 7:12 AM, airlion wrote:
Well said Ryan. First you have to know how to read and comprehend. Gardiner
------------------------------
*From:* Ryan Mueller
*To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
*Sent:* Thu, August 9, 2012 1:45:43 AM
*Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Good information on turning back to the
runway
You'll do well to attempt to forgive my ignorance=85..but please remind me
why I have to read scholarly articles with complex math written by a doctor
with a Bonanza=85..that will essentially say "don't do it"? It kinda feels
like swatting a fly with a sledgehammer=85.
Ryan Mueller
rmueller23(at)gmail.com
On Aug 8, 2012, at 10:04 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <
steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> wrote:
steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Gentlemen, and Kevin, You might be interested to read some of the articles
by Dr Dave Rogers on turnback after Engine failure. He discusses in depth
the options. They are very scholarly articles and some have complex math,
but he does a good job of explaining thing to me and I am a true luddite.
Dr. Rogers is a Beechcraft Bonanza owner and just retired as the Professor
of Aeronautical Engineering at The Naval Academy (Annapolis). He is a
really nice guy to boot.
He was the chief pilot for the Naval Academy's flight test engineering
course.
Here is a link to his technical flying site.
http://www.nar-associates.com/technical-flying/technical-flying.html
Blue Skies
Steve - The --> &n===========
============
*http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?P============
*
*
*
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Flex fuel line security |
I dunno - I've always used hoses with aeroquip fittings screwed to AN
fittings. I do have hose clamps on the fuel line on my lawnmower.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 6:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flex fuel line security
What is the proper method? I have had hose clamps on my Aeronca for many
years w/no problems.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
Nice job getting her back up and flying again you've come far since last I s
aw her a shadow of her new self. Congrats on RePiet I wish you great success
in all her flights may she fly as good as she looks
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 8, 2012, at 2:16 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" w
rote:
> Well, after ten years of work and one MAJOR setback and rebuild (hence the
name RE-PIET) NX799B successfully flew this morning!
>
> I am in the process of posting the video on youtube and will send the link
as soon as I can get my kid to do it for me
>
> My test pilot who is also my instructor flies the Ford trimotor for the EA
A, is an acrobatic instructor and has tons of big biplane time. He also wei
ghs 225lbs.
>
> While my empty weight (TOW for those overseas) was heavy at 816 with oil, h
er CG was very good. She can carry a 230 pounder with 12 gallons before we g
et to 20=9D, and can carry a 200 pounder with 20 gallons before we hit
our rear CG. The weight is all forward and the heaviness is attributable t
o the use of douglas fir, C-90 with starter, generator and battery. A 20 ga
l wing tank, mufflers, sidepipes and heavy landing gear. However, I made th
e tail VERY light and it paid off. I=99m using a Cloud Car prop and t
he combo of the C-90 and that prop seems to really help her climb.
>
> Here=99s the scoop.
>
> Tail was up before 2,000rpm, she evidently =9Clevitated=9D off
the pavement after maybe a 100ft roll and climbed VERY well. I have it on v
ideo which I=99m posting. We don=99t know what she climbed at b
ut from his experience he guessed 6-700fpm. All I know is we were two third
s down a 4,000 runway, he took off from the far end and before he was halfwa
y to us was at 200 ft and turning away from the airport. The climb was dece
ptively steep, kind of like a big biplane. Just kind of goes up like an ele
vator, but very slowly.
>
> He says she flies hands off and the rigging doesn=99t need to be cha
nged. Stalls very straight and kind of mushes. Did two very tight circles,
he said about 2.5 g=99s and she showed no tendency to do anything bad
. Got her up to about 100 in a shallow dive and the wings didn=99t co
me off. She landed easily on the pavement and tracked straight and true. S
moke system worked too, though I got oil on my tail.
>
> I have to modify the brake cables as the inner housing pulled through the p
lastic housing during run up, so I have to find some stouter cable ends. My
instructor comes back on the 27th, at which time we=99ll fly the cham
p a bit and then off I go!!
>
> GOD IS GOOD
>
> Douwe
>
> Ps. Keving, I can=99t believe that picture of you!
>
> PSS. DAN, I was hoping to fly formation with you next year!!
>
>
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>
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Good information on turning back to the runway |
Ryan, I am currently flying the dickens out of my buddy's 1947 Aeronca Champ. It
is a great classic, 65 roaring HP and hand prop only. Last flight we did downwind
landings and "I didn't like it so much!" I am getting ready to get my tail
dragger endorsement signed off by Vern Foster, a 95 year old CFI.
My 1947 Bonanza is currently in maintenance, My ammeter is showing nothing, Absolutely
no movement of the needle. We swapped Generators (had one one the shelf)
and will look at the meter itself next, The Voltage regulator is last to be
checked, it is a pain, mounted on the firewall way up under the glareshield.
Regarding Dr Dave's articles, the same principles apply to Bonanzas, Piets or Aeronca
Champs (what I have flown the most lately.) So the same excercises he discusses
can be done in any plane.
I am not only a grunt but I went to public schools and state universties. My eyes
tend to glaze over when I look at this level of math. Indeed, I don't do math
in public. Having read several of his articles I tend to scan the math and
go to his conclusions.
Dr. Rogers first figures out the aerodynamics of what is being considered using
this high level aeronautical math. Then he climbs in his plane and goes out and
checks to see if the data matches his real world experience. Then he goes back
and polishes his data and his articles.
For us Bonanza pilots, he came up with a series of turning excercises to try in
the air. Using these I was able to figure out that I would not try to turn back
180 degrees, until I was at almost 1000 feet (fully loaded, hot day rounded
up). Even then I was not assured of getting back to the runway, but simply lined
up with the runway and in landing attitude.
Basically, Go to a safe altitude, Establish a takeoff climb, Chop the throttle
and see how much altitude it takes to turn 180 and get set up for landing back
on the takeoff runway. What speeds work best?, What about flatter turns vs knifeedge?
What about a 90 degree turn to a safe option, what turn works best
and how much altitude is lost? That is the gist of his articles. He explans why
certain proceedures work and why others don't.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2012 7:56
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Good information on turning back to the runway
> Well sir, I was a grunt, so I make no guarantees that I can do either.
> Snarky and insulting I specialize in, however.
>
> Since we have you, what's the status of your bird?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 9, 2012, at 7:12 AM, airlion < wrote:
>
> Well said Ryan. First you have to know how to read and comprehend. Gardiner
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Ryan Mueller <
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thu, August 9, 2012 1:45:43 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Good information on turning back to the
> runway
>
> You'll do well to attempt to forgive my ignorance..but please remind me
> why I have to read scholarly articles with complex math written by a doctor
> with a Bonanza..that will essentially say "don't do it"? It kinda feels
> like swatting a fly with a sledgehammer.
>
> Ryan Mueller
> rmueller23(at)gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 8, 2012, at 10:04 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
wrote:
>
>
> Gentlemen, and Kevin, You might be interested to read some of the articles
> by Dr Dave Rogers on turnback after Engine failure. He discusses in depth
> the options. They are very scholarly articles and some have complex math,
> but he does a good job of explaining thing to me and I am a true luddite.
>
> Dr. Rogers is a Beechcraft Bonanza owner and just retired as the Professor
> of Aeronautical Engineering at The Naval Academy (Annapolis). He is a
> really nice guy to boot.
>
> He was the chief pilot for the Naval Academy's flight test engineering
> course.
> Here is a link to his technical flying site.
>
> http://www.nar-associates.com/technical-flying/technical-flying.html
>
> Blue Skies
> Steve - The --> &n=======================
>
>
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?P============*
>
> *
>
> *
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| From: | woodflier(at)aol.com |
Douwe, congratulations! I want to see the video when you get it up. Hope yo
u plan on bringing it to Brodhead next year. I'd love a ride.
Matt Paxton
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Flex fuel line security |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I have flexible fuel bladders in the Aeronca. They have moulded-in nipples
at the outlets. I guess the hose clamps are the only practical thing that c
an be used there.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2012 8:14 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flex fuel line security
I dunno =93 I=99ve always usedhoses with aeroquip fittings scre
wed to AN fittings. I do have hoseclamps on the fuel line on my lawnmower.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list
-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 20126:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flex fuelline security
What is the proper method? I have hadhose clamps on my Aeronca for many yea
rs w/no problems.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Wonderful job.... hope you have many re-piet performances......!!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Good information on turning back to the runway |
"but please remind me why I have to read"
Ryan, Who said you had to?
There will be a test! ;+}
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller <operationaxel(at)gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2012 0:49
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Good information on turning back to the runway
> You'll do well to attempt to forgive my ignorance..scholarly articles with complex
math
> written by a doctor with a Bonanza..that will essentially say
> "don't do it"? It kinda feels like swatting a fly with a
> sledgehammer.
> Ryan Mueller
> rmueller23(at)gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 8, 2012, at 10:04 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" < wrote:
>
> >
> > Gentlemen, and Kevin, You might be interested to read some of the articles
by Dr Dave Rogers on turnback after Engine failure. He discusses in depth the
options. They are very scholarly articles and some have complex math, but he does
a good job of explaining thing to me and I am a true luddite.
> >
> > Dr. Rogers is a Beechcraft Bonanza owner and just retired as the Professor
of Aeronautical Engineering at The Naval Academy (Annapolis). He is a really nice
guy to boot.
> >
> > He was the chief pilot for the Naval Academy's flight test engineering course.
> > Here is a link to his technical flying site.
> >
> > http://www.nar-associates.com/technical-flying/technical-flying.html
> >
> > Blue Skies
> > Steve D
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Another Piet is Born - the rest of the story... |
Hi Gary,
Glad the inspection went so well. Talk about a spoiled Piet; carpeted hanger and
all!!!
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Good information on turning back to the runway |
Almost ready to fly Ryan.I just put my empenage back together this AM. Next
week =0Athe wings go on. Hope to have it flying by the end of the month. G
ardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ryan Mueller
=0ATo: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" =0ASent: Thu, August 9, 2012 8:51:41 AM=0ASubject: Re: Piet
enpol-List: Good information on turning back to the runway=0A=0A=0AWell sir
, I was a grunt, so I make no guarantees that I can do either. Snarky =0Aan
d insulting I specialize in, however.=0A=0ASince we have you, what's the st
atus of your bird?=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn Aug 9, 2012, at 7:12 AM
, airlion wrote:=0A=0A=0AWell said Ryan. First you
have to know how to read and comprehend. Gardiner=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A_______
_________________________=0AFrom: Ryan Mueller <operationaxel(at)gmail.com>=0A
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A>Sent: Thu, August 9, 2012 1:45:43 AM
=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Good information on turning back to the ru
nway=0A>=0A>You'll do well to attempt to forgive my ignorance..but
please remind me why I =0A>have to read scholarly articles with complex ma
th written by a doctor with a =0A>Bonanza..that will essentially s
ay "don't do it"? It kinda feels like swatting =0A>a fly with a sledgehamme
r.=0A>=0A>=0A>Ryan Mueller=0A>rmueller23(at)gmail.com=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>
=0A>=0A>On Aug 8, 2012, at 10:04 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" =0A><
steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> wrote:=0A>=0A>--> Pietenpol-List message poste
d by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" =0A>=0A
>>=0A>>Gentlemen, and Kevin, You might be interested to read some of the ar
ticles by Dr =0A>>Dave Rogers on turnback after Engine failure. He discusse
s in depth the options. =0A>>They are very scholarly articles and some have
complex math, but he does a good =0A>>job of explaining thing to me and I
am a true luddite. =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Dr. Rogers is a Beechcraft Bonanza owner
and just retired as the Professor of =0A>>Aeronautical Engineering at The N
aval Academy (Annapolis). He is a really nice =0A>>guy to boot. =0A>>=0A>>
=0A>>He was the chief pilot for the Naval Academy's flight test engineering
course.=0A>>Here is a link to =C2-his technical flying site. =0A>>=0A>>h
ttp://www.nar-associates.com/technical-flying/technical-flying.html=0A>>=0A
>>Blue Skies=0A>>Steve =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
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igator?P======================
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | "RE-PIET's" first flight video on You Tube! |
Finally got the video up to Youtube. Click the link below or just search
for
Douwe's Re-Piet first flight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgZ5PXdwvVQ
it was 84 degrees and the pilot was a 225 pounder.
Here she is taxiing back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP5eVGh4kh8
Re-Piet taxi
He never got low enough to get any cooler in-flight shots.
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| Subject: | Re: Another Piet is Born |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Way to go Gary! It's been a long time. Fortunately you have posted many pictures
for the rest of us builders to make our way.
DO ARCHIVE
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John Francis
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| Subject: | What carburetor should I take? |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
I've acquired a C 85 for my Piet, and I'm needing some hElp on choosing a carburetor.
Maybe more importantly due to high density conditions here in TX I really
want a carb with a functioning mixture system.
That said the two carbs to choose from are the Stromberg NA-S3A1 or the
Marvel Schebler MA-3SPA. Both are in pristine condition and
may have already been rebuilt.
If you have experience with these and can give me pros and cons Id really appreciate
it.
Thanks
--------
Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: What carburetor should I take? |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Tom, I'll be interested in what you learn. I decided to go with the
Marvel Schebler MA-3SPA on my Corvair due to what I have read about
mixture control on the same two carbs that you are considering. Note
that I haven't got it installed yet. For context, it is now 10:15 pm
here in northern Colorado. As of a few minutes ago, the density
altitude dropped all the way to 7100 feet from about just shy of 9000
earlier this afternoon. Cheers, Ken
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:04 PM, tkreiner wrote:
>
> I've acquired a C 85 for my Piet, and I'm needing some hElp on choosing a carburetor.
Maybe more importantly due to high density conditions here in TX I really
want a carb with a functioning mixture system.
>
> That said the two carbs to choose from are the Stromberg NA-S3A1 or the
> Marvel Schebler MA-3SPA. Both are in pristine condition and
> may have already been rebuilt.
>
> If you have experience with these and can give me pros and cons Id really appreciate
it.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380573#380573
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | What carburetor should I take? |
I'd go with the Marvel Schebler. The Stromberg's mixture control is
problematic at best. I keep mine wired full rich, but would sure like to be
able to lean it out when flying over the mountains. I have to get to nearly
5,000' to get to Brodhead from here.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tkreiner
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 12:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What carburetor should I take?
I've acquired a C 85 for my Piet, and I'm needing some hElp on choosing a
carburetor. Maybe more importantly due to high density conditions here in
TX I really want a carb with a functioning mixture system.
That said the two carbs to choose from are the Stromberg NA-S3A1 or the
Marvel Schebler MA-3SPA. Both are in pristine condition and
may have already been rebuilt.
If you have experience with these and can give me pros and cons Id really
appreciate it.
Thanks
--------
Tom Kreiner
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380573#380573
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| Subject: | Re: What carburetor should I take? |
| From: | "bradandlinda tds.net" <bradandlinda(at)tds.net> |
I switched to a MS because of repeated float needle problems with
Stromberg. Also the MS has an accelerator pump that aids starting and
"saves" an engine that starts to die. The MS also requires about 1/2 the
head pressure (good for lower mounted tanks). Good factory support and
service.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 5:36 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>
> I'd go with the Marvel Schebler. The Stromberg's mixture control is
> problematic at best. I keep mine wired full rich, but would sure like to
> be
> able to lean it out when flying over the mountains. I have to get to
> nearly
> 5,000' to get to Brodhead from here.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tkreiner
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 12:05 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: What carburetor should I take?
>
>
> I've acquired a C 85 for my Piet, and I'm needing some hElp on choosing a
> carburetor. Maybe more importantly due to high density conditions here in
> TX I really want a carb with a functioning mixture system.
>
> That said the two carbs to choose from are the Stromberg NA-S3A1 or the
> Marvel Schebler MA-3SPA. Both are in pristine condition and
> may have already been rebuilt.
>
> If you have experience with these and can give me pros and cons Id really
> appreciate it.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380573#380573
>
>
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | AAA- antique airplane assn. |
Hey all
Is anyone else planning on going to Blakesburg, Ia. this labor day day
weekend? It is a great show with lots of old planes and runs for the
week ending on labor day. Only second to Brodhead.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: AAA- antique airplane assn. |
| From: | "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Dick not sure at this point will let you know...
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:05 PM, "Dick N" wrote:
> Hey all
> Is anyone else planning on going to Blakesburg, Ia. this labor day day wee
kend? It is a great show with lots of old planes and runs for the week endi
ng on labor day. Only second to Brodhead.
> Dick N.
>
>
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| Subject: | first piet piece done |
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
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| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Paul,
Pictures are good. Just resize them to about 850.
John
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
4.5 lbs to 21 lbs???? Is some one lying?
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
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| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Jim,
I saw my mistake right after I posted that response and deleted it.
Had to rub it in, didn't you:lol:
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | hinge-less aileron |
David=3B
The prototype section that I'm developing and have partially assembled uses
metal ailerons with the Zenith-style hinge-less flexing metal. It also us
es the Ed Fisher-developed metal ribs and a built-up wooden I-spar. The me
tal ribs=2C together with rib clips=2C eliminate rib stitching.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford=2C OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | first piet piece done |
I am very interested in anyone's progress. You have one piece done and "few
" more to go and the plane will be finished!- Nice job.
-
FYI, my completed rudder,-ready to fly, (varnish, horn, hinges, bolts, nu
ts, fabric, paint...)-weighs in at 2.12 lbs. (Including the bag it is sto
red in.)
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section about markings
and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be followed by the
registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rudder are "stacked",
so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part follows the first
and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering if anyone has mentioned
that to you, or if you've seen any other tail markings in the fashion that
yours are?
It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful about
that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380660#380660
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
Oscar! You should know by now that I spend more time researching this stuff than
actually BUILDING this stuff!! :-)
Maybe that's why this is taking me so long!!!
Yes, I've seen it done this way on quite a few. Check out westcoastpiet.....
I sure hope it's not a problem for the FAA dude....cause' Julia ain't hand painting
those letters again! Well, she probably would if needed.
Jim in Pryor....putting the final coat(s) of paint on the horiz stab today....then
I'm done with the tail bits!!!
-----Original Message-----
>From: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Aug 11, 2012 11:23 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
>
>
>Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section about markings
and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be followed by the
registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rudder are "stacked",
so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part follows the
first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering if anyone has mentioned
that to you, or if you've seen any other tail markings in the fashion that
yours are?
>
>It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful about
that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
>
>--------
>Oscar Zuniga
>Medford/Ashland, OR
>Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>A75 power
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380660#380660
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
Mr. Fed had no issue with my "stacked" lettering, which I had copied from
others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the 'X' in the
N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not have the wording,
"EXPERIMENTAL" plastered on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY concern was
that, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, amongst the other words on that
placard, that the 'experimental' word was visible.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
--> < taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section about
markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be followed
by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rudder
are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part
follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering if
anyone has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any other tail markings
in the fashion that yours are?
It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful
about that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380660#380660>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380660#380660
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
Uh Oh, U better go back and rebuild the tail, wings, fusel...
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
(Oooops.)
-
I meant I better go back and rebuild the tail, wings, fusela...
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: "RE-PIET's" first flight video on You Tube! |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Douwe , congrats on a fine and beautiful Pietenpol . I did notice that the runways
did not have drainage ditches on either side of the strip this time. Your
engine sounds like an Allison, and the subject of 180 Degree turns on take-off
is no stranger to your first, first flight, and at less than 200 feet.
Good luck in the near future, and see you at Brodhead after a number of hours under
your belt just to give a great guy a lot of confidence.
Pieti Lowell
Don't archive
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380683#380683
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com> |
Dick,
I will get to Blakesburg on Thursday around noon. I will leave Saturday afternoon.
Joe
Morris, IL
hunting and gathering
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Cavalier Project |
A friend of mine has came across a Cavalier Project. If anyone knows of someone
who may be interested and knows if a builders group, please let me know. I' am
always a day behind with the messages.
Joe Swithin
Morris, IL
Hunting and Gathering
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...
On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
> Mr. Fed had no issue with my =9Cstacked=9D lettering, which I h
ad copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the
=98X=99 in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not h
ave the wording, =9CEXPERIMENTAL=9D plastered on the side of the
fuselage. His ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, am
ongst the other words on that placard, that the =98experimental=99
word was visible.
>
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
>
> -->
>
> Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section abou
t markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be followed
by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rudder
are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part fo
llows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering if anyo
ne has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any other tail markings in t
he fashion that yours are?
>
> It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful a
bout that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford/Ashland, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380660#380660
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
I'm planning on making Blakesburg. Not sure what days. (not in my Piet, of c
ourse)
Gene
On Aug 11, 2012, at 6:59 PM, JOSEPH SWITHIN wrote:
> Dick,
> I will get to Blakesburg on Thursday around noon. I will leave Saturday af
ternoon.
>
> Joe
> Morris, IL
> hunting and gathering
>
>
>
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>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | "Experimental" Placard |
Yes. It=99s just one of those labels that you get from the EAA.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...
On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe"
wrote:
Mr. Fed had no issue with my =9Cstacked=9D lettering, which
I had copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to
the =98X=99 in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact
that I do not have the wording, =9CEXPERIMENTAL=9D plastered
on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the
passenger cockpit, amongst the other words on that placard, that the
=98experimental=99 word was visible.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
taildrags
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
--> < taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section
about markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be
followed by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on
your rudder are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the
second part follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was
wondering if anyone has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any
other tail markings in the fashion that yours are?
It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be
careful about that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | "Experimental" Placard |
Gary, why the =BD hatch?
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
Yes. It=92s just one of those labels that you get from the EAA.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...
On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe"
wrote:
Mr. Fed had no issue with my =93stacked=94 lettering, which I had copied
from
others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the =91X=92 in the
N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not have the wording,
=93EXPERIMENTAL=94 plastered on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY
concern was
that, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, amongst the other words on
that
placard, that the =91experimental=92 word was visible.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On
Behalf
Of taildrags
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
--> < taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section
about
markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be
followed
by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your
rudder
are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part
follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering
if
anyone has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any other tail
markings
in the fashion that yours are?
It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be
careful
about that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380660#380660>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380660#380660
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: "Experimental" Placard |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Can't read the placard
On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:13 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
> Yes. It=99s just one of those labels that you get from the EAA.
>
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:45 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
>
> Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...
>
> On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
>
> Mr. Fed had no issue with my =9Cstacked=9D lettering, which I h
ad copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the
=98X=99 in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not h
ave the wording, =9CEXPERIMENTAL=9D plastered on the side of the
fuselage. His ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, am
ongst the other words on that placard, that the =98experimental=99
word was visible.
>
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
>
> -->
>
> Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section abou
t markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be followed
by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rudder
are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part fo
llows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering if anyo
ne has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any other tail markings in t
he fashion that yours are?
>
> It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful a
bout that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford/Ashland, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380660#380660
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | "Experimental" Placard |
Thought I=92d save some room for instruments, in the future.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:49 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
Gary, why the =BD hatch?
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
Yes. It=92s just one of those labels that you get from the EAA.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...
On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe"
wrote:
Mr. Fed had no issue with my =93stacked=94 lettering, which I had copied
from
others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the =91X=92 in the
N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not have the wording,
=93EXPERIMENTAL=94 plastered on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY
concern was
that, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, amongst the other words on
that
placard, that the =91experimental=92 word was visible.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On
Behalf
Of taildrags
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
--> < taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section
about
markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be
followed
by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your
rudder
are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part
follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering
if
anyone has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any other tail
markings
in the fashion that yours are?
It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be
careful
about that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: "Experimental" Placard |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
There he goes....adding weight and complication......the dark side....
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 12, 2012 8:09 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
Thought I=99d save some room for instruments, in the future.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:49 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
Gary, why the =C2=BD hatch?
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
Yes. It=99s just one of those labels that you get from the EAA.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...
On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
Mr. Fed had no issue with my =9Cstacked=9D lettering, which I h
ad copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the
=98X=99 in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do
not have the wording, =9CEXPERIMENTAL=9D plastered on the side
of the fuselage. His ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the passenger cock
pit, amongst the other words on that placard, that the =98experimenta
l=99 word was visible.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
-->
Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section about
markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be followed
by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rudde
r are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part
follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering if a
nyone has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any other tail markings
in the fashion that yours are?
It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful a
bout that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380660#380660
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http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | "Experimental" Placard |
My grandson wants a clockso he knows when it=99s time to
go home
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
There he goes....adding weight and complication......the dark side....
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 12, 2012 8:09 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
Thought I=99d save some room for instruments, in the future.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:49 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
Gary, why the =C2=BD hatch?
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
Yes. It=99s just one of those labels that you get from the EAA.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...
On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe"
wrote:
Mr. Fed had no issue with my =9Cstacked=9D lettering, which
I had copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to
the =98X=99 in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact
that I do not have the wording, =9CEXPERIMENTAL=9D plastered
on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the
passenger cockpit, amongst the other words on that placard, that the
=98experimental=99 word was visible.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On
Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
--> < taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section
about markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be
followed by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on
your rudder are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the
second part follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was
wondering if anyone has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any
other tail markings in the fashion that yours are?
It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be
careful about that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | "Experimental" Placard |
I=99ll get a better picture todaystand by.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
Can't read the placard
On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:13 AM, "Gary Boothe"
wrote:
Yes. It=99s just one of those labels that you get from the EAA.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...
On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe"
wrote:
Mr. Fed had no issue with my =9Cstacked=9D lettering, which
I had copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to
the =98X=99 in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact
that I do not have the wording, =9CEXPERIMENTAL=9D plastered
on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the
passenger cockpit, amongst the other words on that placard, that the
=98experimental=99 word was visible.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
taildrags
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
--> < taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section
about markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be
followed by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on
your rudder are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the
second part follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was
wondering if anyone has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any
other tail markings in the fashion that yours are?
It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be
careful about that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
I am glad to hear some of you will be attending. It's really a great
show. I am planning on going down on Wed and dparting on Sat also. Not
on the list, I ialked with Lorin Miller at Brodhead and he is also
planning on attending. Itall depends on weather though, last too years
have been too windy for me.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: "Experimental" Placard |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
One of these, Gary?
BC
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| Subject: | Re: "Experimental" Placard |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Exactly!
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From: Bill Church
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Experimental" Placard
Sent: Aug 12, 2012 9:29 AM
One of these, Gary?
BC
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
Our guy needed the NX on the tail but started to hit us for having the numb
er on the wing without the NX. He ruled since it did not have the N it was
considered a decoration and did not count for or against us.
The guy was great to us=2C very professional and through. He did want to s
ee the tag but did not need the big experimental lettering anywhere. We ha
ve the small tag on the front dash that says experimental. That seemed to
fit the bill with him. He even looked it up in his reg book to be sure.
Vic NX414MV
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
From: generambo(at)msn.com
Date: Sat=2C 11 Aug 2012 22:44:58 -0400
Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...
On Aug 11=2C 2012=2C at 12:48 PM=2C "Gary Boothe" wr
ote:
Mr. Fed had no issue with my =93stacked=94 lettering=2C which I had copied
from others. Interestingly=2C he chooses to see no value to the =91X=92 in
the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not have the wording
=2C =93EXPERIMENTAL=94 plastered on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY conc
ern was that=2C somewhere in the passenger cockpit=2C amongst the other wor
ds on that placard=2C that the =91experimental=92 word was visible.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Saturday=2C August 11=2C 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
-->
Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section about
markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX"=2C in our case) is to be follow
ed by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rud
der are "stacked"=2C so to speak=2C and not continuous. I guess the second
part follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wonderin
g if anyone has mentioned that to you=2C or if you've seen any other tail m
arkings in the fashion that yours are?
It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful a
bout that stylized letter "J" that you've got there =3Bo)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "=3BScout"=3B
A75 power
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| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Took 308MB out to the ramp for her first fill-up. All inspection panels are on...she
looks official. Lesson learned? Allow plenty of BS time! One guy drove all
the way down from the north end, just 'cuz he saw the tall tires! Still waiting
for the chic magnet to kick in...
Gary from Cool
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: whats the best varnish to use |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I applied two coats of Helmsman's spar varnish on my wings, tail surfaces and everything
that would be covered. It is supposed to be good stuff. On areas that
will be exposed or visible, I am using System 3's marine grade varnish...
it is supposed to have superior UV protectors and it goes on clear (not yellowish),
so the wood really looks beautiful. The other major difference...
Helmsman's = $15 at Home Depot or other home improvement stores.
System 3 = $40 at Woodcraft or other wood working or marine stores.
Mileage may vary... this is just what I've found.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I'm considering going... it all depends on work. I'll let y'all know as time gets
closer if I plan to be there. Tyler and I stopped in on our way up to Brodhead...
we would love to see the place in full swing.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: whats the best varnish to use |
We used the spar varnish on the parts that are covered to seal the wood. O
n the areas that show=2C like inside the cockpit we used PPG automotive cle
ar coat. It is made for a durable finish coat with UV protection and is to
ugh. Makes a great finish=2C used three coats. sanded between coats. A bi
t expensive. Vic NX414MV
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
> Date: Sun=2C 12 Aug 2012 13:26:26 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
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> I applied two coats of Helmsman's spar varnish on my wings=2C tail surfac
es and everything that would be covered. It is supposed to be good stuff. O
n areas that will be exposed or visible=2C I am using System 3's marine gra
de varnish... it is supposed to have superior UV protectors and it goes on
clear (not yellowish)=2C so the wood really looks beautiful. The other majo
r difference...
>
> Helmsman's = $15 at Home Depot or other home improvement stores.
> System 3 = $40 at Woodcraft or other wood working or marine stores.
>
> Mileage may vary... this is just what I've found.
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> Mark Chouinard
> Wings=2C Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Lan
ding Gear
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| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Shove the potato into the front of your shorts....not the rear.
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: whats the best varnish to use |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
This is really a loaded question, unfortunately...
The first question that needs to be answered is what system you're going to use
to cover you plane. As it turns out, as far as I can tell, if you're using
poly fiber stuff, you need an "epoxy varnish", as the MEK used in that system
attacks normal varnishes during its application.
Varnish used to be a clue as to what the finish was... no so much anymore.
So to make a long story short, check with the manufacturer of your covering system
and see what's compatible. Of course, you can use two different varnishes
depending whether or not it comes in contact.
Otherwise, I've found the most "normal" finish available through major retailers
is as good as anything. I just recently used some hinky cool high priced stuff
through a high end retailer (woodcraft or somebody) and got hugely burned.
Unless it's a really obvious finish (like danish oil, tung oil, shellac, lacquer,
etc.) you don't really know if it's real varnish, or some sort of polymerized
something or another so only experience will tell if it's really suitable.
Generally speaking, from over 25 years of experience, the finishes available these
days are really very good and well exceed ANYTHING available back in the thirties,
so don't worry too much about it. I've found if you can find something
that'll be available for enough years that you can reapply some corporate knowledge,
you'll like it.
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| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
Ok! Gary, I know how the chick magnet thing works. I would suggest that you
should have someone else stand next to your plane! Ouch.
Dan
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <operationaxel(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
FAR 45 Subpart C spells it all out=85.
According to 45.22(b), since a Pietenpol is a US registered aircraft
that is amateur built and which has the same external configuration as
an aircraft built at least 30 years ago it may be operated without
displaying marks in accordance with 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33=85.how
does that address items brought up in this thread?
If you display the N number using only the capital letter N and
registration number, you must have the EXPERIMENTAL placards displayed
near each entrance to the cockpit. If you display your N number as NX
and the registration you do not need to place any EXPERIMENTAL placards
in either cockpit; the fact that the aircraft is experimental is
communicated by the N number being displayed as NX and the number (and
your little amateur built tag). This is allowed because of the "same
external configuration as an aircraft built 30 years ago" provision.
45.22(b)(1) specifies that the registration marks be displayed at least
two inches high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface
consisting of the Roman capital letter N *followed by*=85=85it does not
specify whether it has to be "followed by" either vertically or
horizontally. 45.25(b)(1) does specify horizontally, however 45.22(b)
exempts you from that because of the 30 years or older provision.
Markings must be in accordance with 45.21(c), which states they have to
be permanently affixed, have no ornamentation, contrast in color with
the background, and be legible. "Ornamentation" is not specifically
defined, so I would say since they did not provide a definition as to
what the administrator THINKS it means, you would have to go by the
dictionary definition. Using that definition of what it means to be
ornamented, a Fed or their rep could take issue with the J=85.but since
it contrasts in color and is legible you can argue right back.
45.29 contains various requirements regarding height, width, spacing,
uniformity=85=85but the 30 years or older provision exempts you from the
requirements of that section as well=85.
Ryan Mueller
rmueller23(at)gmail.com
On Aug 12, 2012, at 2:06 PM, V Groah wrote:
> Our guy needed the NX on the tail but started to hit us for having the
number on the wing without the NX. He ruled since it did not have the N
it was considered a decoration and did not count for or against us.
>
> The guy was great to us, very professional and through. He did want
to see the tag but did not need the big experimental lettering anywhere.
We have the small tag on the front dash that says experimental. That
seemed to fit the bill with him. He even looked it up in his reg book
to be sure.
>
> Vic NX414MV
>
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>
>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
> From: generambo(at)msn.com
> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:44:58 -0400
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur
built...
>
> On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe"
wrote:
>
> Mr. Fed had no issue with my =93stacked=94 lettering, which I had
copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the =91X=92
in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not have the
wording, =93EXPERIMENTAL=94 plastered on the side of the fuselage. His
ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, amongst the
other words on that placard, that the =91experimental=92 word was
visible.
>
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
taildrags
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
>
> -->
>
> Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section
about markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be
followed by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on
your rudder are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the
second part follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was
wondering if anyone has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any
other tail markings in the fashion that yours are?
>
> It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be
careful about that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
>
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford/Ashland, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
HA-HA! In that case, I want my money back!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwilson
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BS Time
Ok! Gary, I know how the chick magnet thing works. I would suggest that
you should have someone else stand next to your plane! Ouch.
Dan
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Maybe the magnet is working...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: Rosita Dimbo [mailto:carolinenday1(at)yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:46 AM
Subject: Hello my dear
Hello my dear
Nice to meet you,how is life
I hope this letter will finds all of your house holds in the best of health
.it is my pleasure to penning down a few lines to check things with you.I am
Rosita by name, i know you will be surprise to hear from me.i believe that
one thousand journey begins with a step.
Though that we have not see each other face to face but God in his infinite
mercy have his own way to bring two people together ,be it friends. i think
we can write together.
>From my own little understanding i believe that love or friendship makes the
world go around,I want to share life experience and culture with you,I do
hope by the end of this letter you will bring smile to my face.i believe you
will have a little time for me.i have something VERY important to tell
you.It's never my desire to remain what I am now,but struggling to become
what am.
Give my love to your family and lots of love to you too.
Stay in touch and do write to me!
Take care
your new friend
Rosita
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: "Experimental" Placard |
Get one of those backwards ones. :-)
Clif
"Wait for that wisest of all counselors; Time." (Pericles)
My grandson wants a clockso he knows when it=99s time
to go home
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: whats the best varnish to use |
Like our Brit Buds.....
Clif
"I don't want to go to heaven. None of my friends are there."Oscar Wilde
or a good wood paint if you like it.
did you see old painted wood furniture?.
regards
Mario Giacummo
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Are you arriving via car, attempting a short-field landing in your big
jet airliner, or bringing the Travel Air?
Ryan Mueller
rmueller23(at)gmail.com
On Aug 11, 2012, at 10:03 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:
> I'm planning on making Blakesburg. Not sure what days. (not in my
Piet, of course)
>
> Gene
>
> On Aug 11, 2012, at 6:59 PM, JOSEPH SWITHIN
wrote:
>
>> Dick,
>> I will get to Blakesburg on Thursday around noon. I will leave
Saturday afternoon.
>>
>> Joe
>> Morris, IL
>> hunting and gathering
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
You need to hook Rosita up with Jorge from Hanford...
Ryan Mueller
rmueller23(at)gmail.com
On Aug 12, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> Maybe the magnet is working...
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rosita Dimbo [mailto:carolinenday1(at)yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:46 AM
> To: undisclosed recipients:
> Subject: Hello my dear
>
> Hello my dear
> Nice to meet you,how is life
> I hope this letter will finds all of your house holds in the best of
health
> .it is my pleasure to penning down a few lines to check things with
you.I am
> Rosita by name, i know you will be surprise to hear from me.i believe
that
> one thousand journey begins with a step.
> Though that we have not see each other face to face but God in his
infinite
> mercy have his own way to bring two people together ,be it friends. i
think
> we can write together.
>
>> =46rom my own little understanding i believe that love or friendship
makes the
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do
> hope by the end of this letter you will bring smile to my face.i
believe you
> will have a little time for me.i have something VERY important to tell
> you.It's never my desire to remain what I am now,but struggling to
become
> what am.
> Give my love to your family and lots of love to you too.
> Stay in touch and do write to me!
> Take care
> your new friend
> Rosita
>
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: whats the best varnish to use |
With the "Latex Corvair Rocket" we used Helmsman Spar Urethane only-throu
ghout the whole structure, and after 6+ years and 314+ hrs of flying have h
ad no problems (using the Ceco-Bond Fabric System which is water based).-
And as others have said, if you use poly fiber process you will need to us
e epoxy varnish where the fabric glues to the structure. I am currently bui
lding an all wood aerobatic biplane, and have used Minwax spar urethane on
the complete structure, but I am applying 2-3 coats of poly fiber epoxy var
nish where the fabric will glue to the structure.- The Epoxy can be appli
ed over the Spar Urethane, but make sure the 1st coat of epoxy is a light c
oat so it wont lift the urethane off the wood.- The only advantage to usi
ng the hardware store Spar Urethane is a big cost savings (mabey $200-300 f
or the whole airplane).- In my oppinion, it is worth only buying as much
epoxy varnish as you need for areas that come in contact with the fabric,
the spar urethane is much less toxic, and faster and eaiser to use, the ep
oxy varnish is a 3 part, base, activor, and thinner.- It is much easier t
o just open a can and varnish what you need to, than guess how much epoxy v
arnish to mix up, and worry about wasting it when doing small jobs.
-
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Just My oppinion,
Shad
--- On Sun, 8/12/12, V Groah wrote:
From: V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
Date: Sunday, August 12, 2012, 4:37 PM
We used the spar varnish on-the parts that are covered to seal the-wood
.- On the-areas that show, like inside the cockpit we used PPG automoti
ve clear coat.- It is made-for a durable finish coat with UV protection
and is tough.- Makes a great finish,-used three-coats. sanded betwee
n coats. -A bit expensive.- Vic NX414MV
-
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 13:26:26 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> I applied two coats of Helmsman's spar varnish on my wings, tail surfaces
and everything that would be covered. It is supposed to be good stuff. On
areas that will be exposed or visible, I am using System 3's marine grade v
arnish... it is supposed to have superior UV protectors and it goes on clea
r (not yellowish), so the wood really looks beautiful. The other major diff
erence...
>
> Helmsman's = $15 at Home Depot or other home improvement stores.
> System 3 = $40 at Woodcraft or other wood working or marine stores.
>
> Mileage may vary... this is just what I've found.
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landi
ng Gear
>
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>
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380763#380763
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| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Did you ever see one of this?
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380817#380817
Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: whats the best varnish to use |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
I had spar varnish on my plane for about 30 years. During the rebuild I noticed
that a pin hole fuel leak in my center section fuel tank had caused some wood
damage. The fuel had penetrated the spar varnish and damaged the wood. I had
to replace about 80 percent of my center section. I used epoxy varnish during
the rebuild, hoping that any new fuel leaks couldn't do any more damage. Time
will tell.
My two cents,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: whats the best varnish to use |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
I think both PolyFiber and Randolph use mek based products as a thinner so you
might consider the epoxy varnish under either one. The Randolph STC for certified
aircraft will tell you if you need to use a specific type.
There's always the do-it-yourself test. Varnish a piece of wood, let it dry and
then see if mek does any damage.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: whats the best varnish to use |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Paul,
I used Poly Fiber throughout. I stuck to what the manual said. We had used Stitts
during the original build and it held up great so I decided to use what proved
durable to me. The Spar varnish and Chromate primer were the weak points
over the years. But in 1971 that is all that was available.
It has been 11 years since the rebuild now and still looks almost new. I would
choose to do it the same way again.
BTW, Stitts and Poly Fiber are the same product.
Your results may vary,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380850#380850
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Airline to somewhere and rent a car.
On Aug 12, 2012, at 11:44 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> Are you arriving via car, attempting a short-field landing in your big jet
airliner, or bringing the Travel Air?
>
> Ryan Mueller
> rmueller23(at)gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2012, at 10:03 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:
>
>> I'm planning on making Blakesburg. Not sure what days. (not in my Piet, o
f course)
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> On Aug 11, 2012, at 6:59 PM, JOSEPH SWITHIN wrote:
>>
>>> Dick,
>>> I will get to Blakesburg on Thursday around noon. I will leave Saturday a
fternoon.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>> Morris, IL
>>> hunting and gathering
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>> href="x-msg://694/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Lis
t%22">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | A65 pushrod housing connectors |
All,
I seem to recall reading about replacement pushrod housing connectors
(the rubber boot seal between the pushrod tube and the case) that didn't
require the jug being pulled, but I'll be darned if I can find that
email or reference on the intarwebs.
Has anyone else run across this or am I just going crazy?
Thanks,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A65 pushrod housing connectors |
Is this what you're looking for?
http://www.realgaskets.com/files/colorpush.htm
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 8:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 pushrod housing connectors
>
> All,
>
> I seem to recall reading about replacement pushrod housing connectors
> (the rubber boot seal between the pushrod tube and the case) that didn't
> require the jug being pulled, but I'll be darned if I can find that
> email or reference on the intarwebs.
>
> Has anyone else run across this or am I just going crazy?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> yocum137(at)gmail.com
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Look this blade |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Yes, I've seen one before! THAT one! (You told me about it several years ago)
;o) ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A65 pushrod housing connectors |
That could be it - I never saw a picture, only read the words on a page.
Thanks, Greg!
Dan
On 08/13/2012 09:15 PM, Greg Cardinal wrote:
>
>
> Is this what you're looking for?
>
> http://www.realgaskets.com/files/colorpush.htm
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A65 pushrod housing connectors |
And no more fighting those stupid hog ring clamps too=85.
Ryan Mueller
rmueller23(at)gmail.com
On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
> That could be it - I never saw a picture, only read the words on a
page.
>
> Thanks, Greg!
>
> Dan
>
>
> On 08/13/2012 09:15 PM, Greg Cardinal wrote:
>>
>>
>> Is this what you're looking for?
>>
>> http://www.realgaskets.com/files/colorpush.htm
>>
>> Greg Cardinal
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Look this blade |
| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Yes, but you did't see it so close (me either...)
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Pietenpol FAQ for this list? |
| From: | Paul Borghese <pborghese(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Everyone,
I am considering building a Pietenpol and have a million questions. Before
I waste valuable list resources asking the same questions which have
already been answered, does this list have a FAQ? I know there is a FAQ
for the mechanics of the mailing list. I am looking for a FAQ on Pietenpol
aircraft.
Thanks,
Paul Borghese
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol FAQ for this list? |
I don't know of any FAQ for here. You can look through the archives, lots and lots
of answers there, although that can be a bit tedious. Other than that, I say,
ask away! I am sure people on here will help you.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Air Camper and Sky Scout Technical Information. |
FAQ
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
http://community.pressenter.net/~apietenp/Information.html
The Pietenpol family sells the plans and has this information
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol FAQ for this list? |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Paul,
For starters, check out the Pietenpol Family website:
http://community.pressenter.net/~apietenp/
And, also check out:
www.westcoastpiet.com
this excellent website has a FAQ section.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol FAQ for this list? |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Also try www.pietenpols.org.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol FAQ for this list? |
Hi Paul,
After several years of being on this list I have observed a bunch of
questions. Here is my own list of common questions:
1. What wood should I use? Sitka Spruce has the best strength to weight
ratio of any wood. It is also considerably more expensive than some other
species, such as Douglas Fir. Many Pietenpols have been built with fir,
cedar, hemlock and other woods. I built mine of spruce, just for its
lightness and because it works very easily. It is also the only "aircraft
grade" wood you can find. Common sources include Aircraft Spruce &
Specialty and Wicks Aircraft Supply. The cost of the wood is less than 10%
of the total cost of the airplane, and is not a place I would look to for
cutting costs.
2. What glue should I use? Nearly everyone now is using T-88 epoxy, with
good results.
3. What engine should I use? Hah! Lot's of people are using modified
Corvair engines, many use Continental aircraft engines from 65 - 100 hp, a
few use Lycomings of 108 - 115 hp, many still use the Model A Ford engine
the airplane was designed for. Your choice. The tradeoff is generally cost
vs reliability. If I lived in the midwest, where forced landings are not
generally a problem, I'd use a Model A, or a Lambert radial, or something
equally interesting. Since I live near the mountains and fly frequently
over fairly inhospitable terrain, I chose a Continental.
4. I'm 275 lbs and want to carry 400 lb passengers. Will I be able to fly
a Pietenpol out of my 1200' strip? No. Either lose a bunch of weight or
build Van's new RV-14. The Pietenpol was designed at a time when the
average pilot really was 160 lbs, and it didn't have a lot of room for them.
The inside of the cockpit is only 22" wide and the plane really doesn't have
much load carrying capability. 300fpm is a pretty average climb rate with
65 hp - less on a hot day. With 100 hp you might get as much as 500 fpm,
but it is highly dependent on load.
5. Can I add a door to the front cockpit? You can, but it adds a lot of
weight, reducing the ability to climb with that person in the front that
needed a door anyway. Better to limit your passengers to 180 lbs or less.
If they are that small they can usually manage to climb in.
6. Can I change XXX (fill in the blank, here)? Yes. It's your
Experimental airplane, so you can change anything you like. Will it fly as
well as if you built it to the plans? Almost certainly not. I've flown a
number of Pietenpols and without exception, the closer they were built to
the plans, the better they flew.
If you don't already own them, buy the 4 Tony Bingelis books: The
Sportplane Builder, Sportplane Construction Techniques, Firewall Forward,
and Tony Bingelis on Engines. Nearly every question you can have in
building an airplane can be answered in those books. They are available
from the EAA. You are an EAA member, aren't you? Even though the
leadership has changed and the organization seems to be struggling to find
its direction, it is still a worthwhile organization to belong to and is a
great storehouse of information on homebuilding.
Any other questions can be answered on this forum. Just try to answer them
first using the forum archives so you don't ask a question that was just
answered a week ago.
Good luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Borghese
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:37 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol FAQ for this list?
Hi Everyone,
I am considering building a Pietenpol and have a million questions. Before
I waste valuable list resources asking the same questions which have already
been answered, does this list have a FAQ? I know there is a FAQ for the
mechanics of the mailing list. I am looking for a FAQ on Pietenpol
aircraft.
Thanks,
Paul Borghese
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Steel tube tail drawings |
| From: | "techinfo" <airinfo(at)rogers.com> |
[quote="bkemike(at)gmail.com"]At Scott Liefeld's request, I've drawn up his steel
tube tail section in AutoCAD. The design (Scott's dad's) has forty years of
well-proven functionality looking like a Piet.
The CAD file is available for free to anyone who asks.
I can send it out as a .dwg (162kb), .dxf, .pdf, or .bmp (194kb).
Mike Hardaway
> [b]
could you please send your pdf file on the steel tube tail section thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Control sticks in position... |
| From: | "techinfo" <airinfo(at)rogers.com> |
aerocarjake wrote:
> Hello good Piet-ple,
>
> My welder (Mike, who's company is "Ready Weld") came over and finished up welding
the control assembly on Friday. I then cleaned up the parts, positioned,
drilled, and temporarily bolted the assembly where it goes in the plane. (Note:
I am using "Home Depot" fasteners until final assembly so don't fret about the
cheap carriage bolts holding it all together until then...!)
>
> Now I can sit in the plane and make airplane noises - while practicing takeoff's
and gradual turns (ha!)
>
> Regards...
Hello my name Bill BUdgell from Canada and I want to build the steel fuselage like
you did can you tell me about how you did it ... did you follow the drawings
as per all tube sizes ,is the tail all tubes and what size of tube did you
use for the tail or is it wood.
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| Subject: | Re: Steel tube tail drawings |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Look back about half way through this thread and you will find the attachment with
the drawings.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
May I be as bold (have I been here long enough yet to assume this task?) as to
suggest a thread to consolidate the discussion of brakes on a piet.
I am compiling an order for steel, which has prompted my investigation of brakes,
and the various kinds, types, styles (heel, hand operated, etc) so I can order
the necessary stuff to make the pedals. However, I am unsure of a good design
to be "general" enough for converting to my plane. I see a few pictures on
WestcoastPiet.com (may Chris tracy be blessed) and yet it is somewhat left to
the imagination as to what the builder did or used for the setup.
I searched the archives, and found 62 listings for 'hydraulic' (Better than mechanical,
or just another system... worth the trouble? Hold about the same?), and
thought if we compile a list of the various brake configurations in a 'sticky'
of sorts, which can be a running list of the various configurations out there,
it might be helpful for tose following in our footsteps. In fact, it appears
that many have tread this subject before with the question "WhatdoIdo for
brakes... I fly off pavement"...?
Many folks report the brakes we are using don't hold for run up, and personally
I don't mind creeping a bit while running the engine to speed, as long as the
guy in front of me doesn't mind my prop. But, if there was a list that could
help the investigation, we could point guys like me to one thread with the details
of the various solutions the collective brainpower has amassed.
So, if anyone is interested in this idea, perhaps we can use this thread to compile
best practices, parts used, suppliers, or any other info that could help
builders with this, as most if not all of today's builders will need brakes, while
Bernard mighta coulda skipped them. If your not interested, ignore this thread
and don't flame me! :)
For starters, how about these questions:
What style wheels did you use? Spokes or small inflatable?
Size of rotors
Style (mechanical or Hydraulic)
Caliper style (round clamp style or disc/Drum)
How you'd rate the performance of them once used
Type of actuator used: Handle, pedal, use your teeth to pull a cord...
Supplier used and any part numbers suggested, etc. etc.
Many thanks in advance for those willing to participate. It might save on future
questions on the list, or at least point folks in the right direction.
Mark
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: brakes for mark robert |
ok mark dont be so complicate, a bery good frien from ohio sendmy all infor
m about his piet, were buy and how to instal mayby you now hername Michael
cuy, seyou nex be in contact < finished my five ribs in two weeks, jorge fr
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l-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:35 PM=0ASubject: P
ietenpol-List: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion=0A=0A-->
Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mark Roberts"
=0A=0AMay I be as bold (have I been here long enough yet to assume this tas
k?) as to suggest a thread to consolidate the discussion of brakes on a pie
t.=0A=0AI am compiling an order for steel, which has prompted my investigat
ion of brakes, and the various kinds, types, styles (heel, hand operated, e
tc) so I can order the necessary stuff to make the pedals. However, I am un
sure of a good design to be "general" enough for converting to my plane. I
see a few pictures on WestcoastPiet.com (may Chris tracy be blessed) and ye
t it is somewhat left to the imagination as to what the builder did or used
for the setup. =0A=0AI searched the archives, and found 62 listings for 'h
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ble? Hold about the same?), and thought if we compile a list of the various
brake configurations in a 'sticky' of sorts, which can be a running list o
f the various configurations out there, it might be helpful for tose follow
ing in our footsteps. In fact, it appears that many have tread this subject
before with the question "WhatdoIdo for brakes... I fly off pavement"...?
=0A=0AMany folks report the brakes we are using don't hold for run up, and
personally I don't mind creeping a bit while running the engine to speed, a
s long as the guy in front of me doesn't mind my prop. But, if there was a
list that could help the investigation, we could point guys like me to one
thread with the details of the various solutions the collective brainpower
has amassed.=0A=0ASo, if anyone is interested in this idea, perhaps we can
use this thread to compile best practices, parts used, suppliers, or any ot
her info that could help builders with this, as most if not all of today's
builders will need brakes, while Bernard mighta coulda skipped them. If you
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nce of them once used=0AType of actuator used: Handle, pedal, use your teet
h to pull a cord...=0ASupplier used and any part numbers suggested, etc. et
c.=0A=0A=0AMany thanks in advance for those willing to participate. It migh
t save on future questions on the list, or at least point folks in the righ
t direction.=0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp
://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380937#380937=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Eisemann Magnito Rebuild |
I have two Eisemann mags. that I am rebuilding. The one I have currently ap
art is the one with the impulse coupler.- These mags came from an engine
with no logs and I don't know when, (if) they ran last.- The internals of
this mag. look good and I have cleaned 95% of it.- Ideally, I would like
to bench test the condenser and coil, but have had no luck finding someone
who can do that.- I am wondering if I should replace the coil, or is thi
s a part that doesn't need replacement often?- I will be replacing the co
ndenser and points, as these are relatively cheap. (I'll buy these for both
mags.)
Any help would be appreciated.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Eisemann Magnito Rebuild |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Mike,
Poplar Grove Airmotive has a mag bench tester. I walked mine over there and
they dropped everything to help me (back when I had my engine troubles). T
hey ran it and it confirmed for me that the mag was good. I am not sure how
many components they can test, but I suspect they "have a place".
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 15, 2012 6:13 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Eisemann Magnito Rebuild
I have two Eisemann mags. that I am rebuilding. The one I have currently ap
art is the one with the impulse coupler. These mags came from an engine wi
th no logs and I don't know when, (if) they ran last. The internals of thi
s mag. look good and I have cleaned 95% of it. Ideally, I would like to be
nch test the condenser and coil, but have had no luck finding someone who c
an do that. I am wondering if I should replace the coil, or is this a part
that doesn't need replacement often? I will be replacing the condenser an
d points, as these are relatively cheap. (I'll buy these for both mags.)
Any help would be appreciated.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Vintage Engine Overhaul Video (A-65) |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBLy-CcB1FQ&feature=related
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | covering supplies |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Folks,
I'm finishing up some varnishing and will be ready to begin covering
in a few days or so. I'm planning on using the Stewart System.
Despite a scan of the archives and the web, I haven't seen a list of
the specific number of yards of fabric, different tape sizes, amounts
of the wet materials, etc. needed to cover a Pietenpol. If you used
the Stewart system and kept records of how much/many of the different
items that were actually required, I'd be obliged if you'd post the
list. I suspect it would be of use to others, as well.
Cheers, Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: covering supplies |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Ken - This won't be as much help as you want, but it may get you going in the right
direction. My poly-fiber manual has a material list for a piet in the back
and I used that. If someone has their manual handy maybe they can scan that
page to you. Otherwise, I'll be at the hangar tomorrow evening with Shelley
and Markle. I can get the manual and e-mail you the info. You can obviously
translate from poly to stewart. My recollection is that it was pretty accurate.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380973#380973
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: covering supplies |
Ken, I do not have everything covered at this time, so I can't provide you with
a list of supplies in its entirety. However, if you plan on doing your covering
over a long length of time, consider that the Ecobond needs to be used within
one year after you open it.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: covering supplies |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Ken,
You know my plane. I used every drop of (Stewarts) a gallon of yellow, and
about 1/2 gallon of black. Of course the lighter colors take more coats.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:01 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: covering supplies
Folks,
I'm finishing up some varnishing and will be ready to begin covering
in a few days or so. I'm planning on using the Stewart System.
Despite a scan of the archives and the web, I haven't seen a list of
the specific number of yards of fabric, different tape sizes, amounts
of the wet materials, etc. needed to cover a Pietenpol. If you used
the Stewart system and kept records of how much/many of the different
items that were actually required, I'd be obliged if you'd post the
list. I suspect it would be of use to others, as well.
Cheers, Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: covering supplies |
I just finished covering/painting all the tail surfaces and one aileron...you can
get pretty close on the fabric and tape requirements just by calculating the
areas....but the real unknown (at least for me) was the amount of cement (I
used Stewart Systems). I started with a quart and used almost the entire quart,
there's maybe a thimble full remaining....
I'm using uncertified lightweight dacron, 1.7 oz I think.
So far I've used about 3/4 of a quart of Sherwin Williams flat exterior latex top
coat and maybe 1/3 quart of primer. Typicaly 2 coats of primer and 4 thin
coats of top coat. Foam brush. And the color is light so, as Dan said, it probably
took more top coats than a dark color.
Sorry I don't have what you've really asked for but that's what I have so far...
Jim in Pryor (well, San Antonio/Austin this week!)
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Aug 15, 2012 11:00 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: covering supplies
>
>
>Folks,
>
>I'm finishing up some varnishing and will be ready to begin covering
>in a few days or so. I'm planning on using the Stewart System.
>Despite a scan of the archives and the web, I haven't seen a list of
>the specific number of yards of fabric, different tape sizes, amounts
>of the wet materials, etc. needed to cover a Pietenpol. If you used
>the Stewart system and kept records of how much/many of the different
>items that were actually required, I'd be obliged if you'd post the
>list. I suspect it would be of use to others, as well.
>
>Cheers, Ken
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: covering supplies |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks, guys. This is very helpful.
I know this may seem odd but I'm feeling some regret about having to
cover up the Piet. So a few days ago I invited a semi-professional
photographer out to take some photos while it was still assembled.
Here are a couple of the more artsy photos, plus one of me looking on
proudly.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Jim Markle wr
ote:
om>
>
> I just finished covering/painting all the tail surfaces and one aileron..
.you can get pretty close on the fabric and tape requirements just by calcu
lating the areas....but the real unknown (at least for me) was the amount o
f cement (I used Stewart Systems). I started with a quart and used almost
the entire quart, there's maybe a thimble full remaining....
>
> I'm using uncertified lightweight dacron, 1.7 oz I think.
>
> So far I've used about 3/4 of a quart of Sherwin Williams flat exterior l
atex top coat and maybe 1/3 quart of primer. Typicaly 2 coats of primer an
d 4 thin coats of top coat. Foam brush. And the color is light so, as Dan
said, it probably took more top coats than a dark color.
>
> Sorry I don't have what you've really asked for but that's what I have so
far...
>
> Jim in Pryor (well, San Antonio/Austin this week!)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
>>Sent: Aug 15, 2012 11:00 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: covering supplies
>>
>>
>>Folks,
>>
>>I'm finishing up some varnishing and will be ready to begin covering
>>in a few days or so. I'm planning on using the Stewart System.
>>Despite a scan of the archives and the web, I haven't seen a list of
>>the specific number of yards of fabric, different tape sizes, amounts
>>of the wet materials, etc. needed to cover a Pietenpol. If you used
>>the Stewart system and kept records of how much/many of the different
>>items that were actually required, I'd be obliged if you'd post the
>>list. I suspect it would be of use to others, as well.
>>
>>Cheers, Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control sticks in position... |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Bill,
These two posts give the best overview of my steel-tube fuselage.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=88960&highlight=jake+schultz
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=87701&highlight=jake+schultz
...and this site has further information on the project:
http://www.rotecengines.com/Projects/JakeSchultz.html
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380981#380981
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion |
Mark,=0A=0AWe have the large spoke wheels on the Jenny style gear and we us
ed a five inch mechanical go kart drum brake. ( http://www.azusaeng.com/bra
kes/5brk.html#anchor%205%20brake ) They are actuated by small toe brake ped
als mounted off of the sides of the fuselage and a cable that exits through
the floor. I extended the brake actuating arms the brake drums came with a
little to get more leverage at that point. - They work well, but wont' h
old the plane at full static rpm.- I can get 2000 rpm or a little more (o
n my Corvair where full static is about 2800rpm) before it starts to overco
me the brakes.- For taxi and basic run up they work great and I'm happy w
ith my choices.=0A=0AMike Groah=0ATulare CA=0A=0A414MV=0A=0A=0A=0A_________
_______________________=0A From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>=0ATo:
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:35 PM=0AS
ubject: Pietenpol-List: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion
ail.com>=0A=0AMay I be as bold (have I been here long enough yet to assume
this task?) as to suggest a thread to consolidate the discussion of brakes
on a piet.=0A=0AI am compiling an order for steel, which has prompted my in
vestigation of brakes, and the various kinds, types, styles (heel, hand ope
rated, etc) so I can order the necessary stuff to make the pedals. However,
I am unsure of a good design to be "general" enough for converting to my p
lane. I see a few pictures on WestcoastPiet.com (may Chris tracy be blessed
) and yet it is somewhat left to the imagination as to what the builder did
or used for the setup. =0A=0AI searched the archives, and found 62 listing
s for 'hydraulic' (Better than mechanical, or just another system... worth
the trouble? Hold about the same?), and thought if we compile a list of the
various brake configurations in a 'sticky' of sorts, which can be a runnin
g list of the various configurations out there, it might be helpful for tos
e following in our footsteps. In fact, it appears that many have tread this
subject before with the question "WhatdoIdo for brakes... I fly off paveme
nt"...? =0A=0AMany folks report the brakes we are using don't hold for run
up, and personally I don't mind creeping a bit while running the engine to
speed, as long as the guy in front of me doesn't mind my prop. But, if ther
e was a list that could help the investigation, we could point guys like me
to one thread with the details of the various solutions the collective bra
inpower has amassed.=0A=0ASo, if anyone is interested in this idea, perhaps
we can use this thread to compile best practices, parts used, suppliers, o
r any other info that could help builders with this, as most if not all of
today's builders will need brakes, while Bernard mighta coulda skipped them
. If your not interested, ignore this thread and don't flame me! :) =0A=0AF
or starters, how about these questions:=0A=0AWhat style wheels did you use?
Spokes or small inflatable?=0ASize of rotors=0AStyle (mechanical or Hydrau
lic)=0ACaliper style (round clamp style or disc/Drum)=0AHow you'd rate the
performance of them once used=0AType of actuator used: Handle, pedal, use y
our teeth to pull a cord...=0ASupplier used and any part numbers suggested,
etc. etc.=0A=0A=0AMany thanks in advance for those willing to participate.
It might save on future questions on the list, or at least point folks in
the right direction.=0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:
=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380937#380937=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Mike: I'd like to drive down and get pics of that set up. I just placed
an ACS steel order and plan to begin this weekend making little metal sparks in
the barn! But, since I am ripping off your instrument panel, perhaps I can rip
off your brake design too :)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380987#380987
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion |
Mark, you and any other Pietenpol people are always welcome to come by.-
The plane is in a hangar in Porterville (KPTV).- Just let me know. =0A=0A
=0AMike Groah=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Mark Rob
erts =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: We
dnesday, August 15, 2012 12:15 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brakes: Co
mprehensive Reference list and discussion=0A =0A--> Pietenpol-List message
posted by: "Mark Roberts" =0A=0AThanks Mike: I'd lik
e to drive down and get pics of that set up. I just placed an ACS steel ord
er and plan to begin this weekend making little metal sparks in the barn! B
ut, since I am ripping off your instrument panel, perhaps I can rip off you
r brake design too :)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp:
//forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380987#380987=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | 10% OFF or Free Shipping. |
| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
I spent the week in Paul's Aeroplane Factory at Oshkosh. We worked on the damaged
control surfaces of EAA's B-17. Second time we've done that one. I always
purchase some materials right after Airventure from Jim and Dondi Miller because
they offer 10 % discount or free shipping on all of their materials if you
order with-in 30 days. They are Poly-Fiber dealers in OHIO. There number
is 877-877-3334. They also have an itemized materials list for the Pietenpol
AirCamper. This is not an advertisement for Poly-Fiber, I'm just thought I would
help you save some money...
Dan
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380990#380990
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| Subject: | Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Wow! Good Memory!
Hope to see you on a future trip.
Mark
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380991#380991
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: covering supplies |
Kevin, I scanned a copy for him on your suggestion. He received it OK so
there is no reason for you to worry about it. Hope you're doing as well as
you look! Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: covering supplies
>
>
> Ken - This won't be as much help as you want, but it may get you going in
> the right direction. My poly-fiber manual has a material list for a piet
> in the back and I used that. If someone has their manual handy maybe they
> can scan that page to you. Otherwise, I'll be at the hangar tomorrow
> evening with Shelley and Markle. I can get the manual and e-mail you the
> info. You can obviously translate from poly to stewart. My recollection
> is that it was pretty accurate.
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/San Marcos, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380973#380973
>
>
>
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion |
Mark:
You've probably heard all of this before but I'll repeat it again=2C for NX
41CC (aka=2C "Scout")-
We have the Cub-style gear with 6.00x6 tires and wheels and ex-Cessna/Cleve
land hydraulic brakes. Actuation in the cockpit is exactly per the buildin
g tips provided by Bill Rewey=2C which uses standard masters (Matco or simi
lar) with toe actuation and differential braking. It's very simple. I use
d to hate hydraulic brakes because of the mess and fuss=2C but after gettin
g them lined out=2C there is no mess=2C no fuss. I can hold Scout at a ful
l-throttle runup indefinitely... on grass or asphalt. I can turn the airpl
ane on a dime=2C taxi it in and out of parked airplanes on the ramp and up
to the yellow marks at the gas pumps with military precision=2C work it in
a crosswind landing=2C turn off where I want to turn off in a gust or a bre
eze=2C and in general I REALLY like having effective brakes with very littl
e muss=2C fuss=2C and bother. Not sure I would be happy with mechanical br
akes=2C but then again I've never flown with them.
When I riveted new pads (Rapco) on the brakes some time ago=2C I read up on
the break-in procedure and was a bit put off by all the hoopla. Turned ou
t to be a no-brainer because no matter how briskly I taxied down the runway
before dragging and holding the brakes to heat them up for break-in=2C no
sooner would I jump out and touch the brake parts expecting to get burned
=2C than I was surprised that they weren't all that hot. These brakes came
off a Cessna 172 Skyhawk so they are ample for the task on an airplane tha
t is about half the gross weight of a 172=2C but the point is that I love m
y hydraulic brakes. I can't imagine not having the ability to "hold short"
when the need arises=2C hold for runup=2C and help steer my airplane with
brakes when gusty x-winds call for it=2C although all of that is much easie
r in grass than on pavement. And did I mention that I absolutely LOVE flyi
ng Scout off the grass??!! In the grass I don't use the brakes hardly at a
ll=2C except for runup (when the sod is dry).
Put me in the "HAVE BRAKES=2C CAN HOLD SHORT" column and let's see what the
others bring on. And I routed my (plastic) hydraulic lines behind the gea
r legs and out of the way of tall grass=2C weeds=2C and other 'gotchas' jus
t waiting to snag a hydraulic line on rollout=2C and I recommend that other
s do the same.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford=2C OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Oscar. This is just the point of this thread: to get the pros and cons out
there in one common location, and you sure make a good case for hydraulics.
Personally, the reasons you mention for good holding power is exactly why I wanted
to know what people were doing. Jody, my wife, really likes the look of
the larger spoked wheels, and I know I will need better than average holding power
with those larger wheels.
So, I felt Hydraulics were pretty much a necessity, but that's ME thinking, and
I haven't been there, done that yet, so thus the question.
I hadn't thought of looking for a used set of Cessna 172 brakes. I know a mechanic
here in town that might know a place to get some used parts. He's right across
the parking lot from Fresno AirParts that I see mentioned on this forum occasionally.
I went there a couple of months ago to see what they had, and they
are mostly engine parts. The FBO I the same parking lot is a friend of mine
so I dropped in for a visit to both places.
I definitely want holding power if I can get it for run up.
Thanks for the advice.
Mark
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381007#381007
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Control sticks in position... |
Jake I always enjoy reviewing your work! When fist posted I didn't notice
the tape holding the tubing in place. Is that high temp tape? If so, does
it work well to secure the tube while welding? Great idea.
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 1:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control sticks in position...
Bill,
These two posts give the best overview of my steel-tube fuselage.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=88960&highlight=jake+schultz
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=87701&highlight=jake+schultz
...and this site has further information on the project:
http://www.rotecengines.com/Projects/JakeSchultz.html
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380981#380981
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion |
Mark, I also have Cleveland brakes on my 21" wire wheels, My brakes are
heel actuated and work well. They will hold it for a runup, but won't hold
it at full throttle because it takes more torque to hold those big wheels
than the brakes can apply. Airplanes quit using big wheels about the time
they started using brakes.
I made heel brakes because I learned to fly in a J-3 Cub and it just seems
more natural to dig in your heels to stop than to point your toes forward
like pushing on an accelerator.
I used matco master cylinders and other than being a bit troublesome to
bleed due to the design of the installation, they work well.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 3:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and
discussion
Thanks Oscar. This is just the point of this thread: to get the pros and
cons out there in one common location, and you sure make a good case for
hydraulics. Personally, the reasons you mention for good holding power is
exactly why I wanted to know what people were doing. Jody, my wife, really
likes the look of the larger spoked wheels, and I know I will need better
than average holding power with those larger wheels.
So, I felt Hydraulics were pretty much a necessity, but that's ME thinking,
and I haven't been there, done that yet, so thus the question.
I hadn't thought of looking for a used set of Cessna 172 brakes. I know a
mechanic here in town that might know a place to get some used parts. He's
right across the parking lot from Fresno AirParts that I see mentioned on
this forum occasionally. I went there a couple of months ago to see what
they had, and they are mostly engine parts. The FBO I the same parking lot
is a friend of mine so I dropped in for a visit to both places.
I definitely want holding power if I can get it for run up.
Thanks for the advice.
Mark
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381007#381007
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A65 pushrod housing connectors |
There are reports on the internet that these started to leak after about
80hr in service. :-(
Those hog clamps aren't so bad as long as you have the right tool, too.
Dan
On 08/14/2012 01:28 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> And no more fighting those stupid hog ring clamps too.
>
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion |
I'm using large wire wheels and built up drum brakes around some EZ-GO golf
cart brakes. They are activated by pedals levers which are made of flat
stock and lay just outside the ply cockpit sides, under the fabric. The
pedal portion goes through a slot in the ply and protrudes into the cockpit
about two inches, just enough for my toe to find. The bottom portion of the
lever protrudes from under the covering just below the fuse bottom about 1"
where it attaches to the cable that routes down the gear to the brake.
Small turnbuckles here allow infinite adjustment (a good thing!)
So far I've been a bit surprised how well they hold those large wheels, much
more than I anticipated. I can hold up to about 1500rpm or so.
Douwe
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | A65 pushrod housing connectors |
What is your "right" tool?
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 pushrod housing connectors
There are reports on the internet that these started to leak after about
80hr in service. :-(
Those hog clamps aren't so bad as long as you have the right tool, too.
Dan
On 08/14/2012 01:28 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> And no more fighting those stupid hog ring clamps too..
>
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Control sticks in position... |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Jack...
The tape is nothing special - just blue 3M "low tack" painter's tape. I keep it
about 4 inches away from any joint that will be welded and it works great to
hold parts in place.
Disclaimer: ALL the welding that Mike (Ready Weld) does is TIG. I suspect the
tape would not work well holding parts in place for GAS welding - too large of
a heat affected zone.
Just as an aside, most of my focus over the past month has be re-fabricating the
instrument panel and attach points/mounts - so the panel will "float" on rubber
isolators instead of mount rigidly to the steel-tube structure. It's been
a fairly long (and somewhat depressing at times) process to re-do what I already
had finished but the instruments should be a LOT happier with less vibration.......
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381035#381035
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| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Mountain Piet is getting an A75 conversion. The turbo Subaru is for sale,
firewall forward. Please let me know if you are interested.
Thank you!
--
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com> |
I hereby relinquish my title and standing as Top Curmudgeon to an ad hoc group
until such time as I return to this list.
My current passion is paragliding and the attendant travel to foreign and out-of-the-way
places sometimes makes it difficult to find wi-fi hotspots. Even if
I have access to a computer, time is usually limited so wading through email is
cumbersome. I want to enjoy this type of flying for as long as my old body will
hold up so I am simplifying my life as much as I can so I can devote time
and energy to that end.
The irony to this is that I just bought a Sky Scout project! I'll work on it when
I'm home as time permits. So you see, I haven't given up on the marque and
I still have a big surprise in mind for next year at Brodhead.
Until later:1. Build to the
plans.2. Build light.3. Don't add any stupid stuff.4. Archive all you want!
Larry Williams
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | A65 pushrod housing connectors |
I use a pair of Vise Grips with a groove ground in each jaw, parallel to the
long axis of the pliers, so you can fit each of the tangs of the hog clamps
in a groove and squeeze without them slipping out of the jaws.
Continental probably sells a special tool for the purpose but this is cheap
and works well.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A65 pushrod housing connectors
What is your "right" tool?
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 pushrod housing connectors
There are reports on the internet that these started to leak after about
80hr in service. :-(
Those hog clamps aren't so bad as long as you have the right tool, too.
Dan
On 08/14/2012 01:28 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> And no more fighting those stupid hog ring clamps too..
>
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: A65 pushrod housing connectors |
| From: | aircamperace(at)yahoo.com |
This is what I use;
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CNL-558/?rtype=10
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 16, 2012, at 5:09 PM, "Barry Davis" wrote:
>
> What is your "right" tool?
> Barry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 10:18 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 pushrod housing connectors
>
>
> There are reports on the internet that these started to leak after about
> 80hr in service. :-(
>
> Those hog clamps aren't so bad as long as you have the right tool, too.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On 08/14/2012 01:28 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
>> And no more fighting those stupid hog ring clamps too..
>>
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> yocum137(at)gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Hi Larry
Welcome to the Sky Scout crowd, I am building one at this time also.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Williams
To: Pietlist
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Adieu
I hereby relinquish my title and standing as Top
Curmudgeon to an ad hoc group until such time as I return to this list.
My current passion is paragliding and the attendant
travel to foreign and out-of-the-way places sometimes makes it difficult
to find wi-fi hotspots. Even if I have access to a computer, time is
usually limited so wading through email is cumbersome. I want to enjoy
this type of flying for as long as my old body will hold up so I am
simplifying my life as much as I can so I can devote time and energy to
that end.
The irony to this is that I just bought a Sky Scout
project! I'll work on it when I'm home as time permits. So you see, I
haven't given up on the marque and I still have a big surprise in mind
for next year at Brodhead.
Until later:
1. Build to the plans.
2. Build light.
3. Don't add any stupid stuff.
4. Archive all you want!
Larry Williams
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Stromberg for sale |
Evening all,
I had the opportunity to spend a few days at OSH this year, so I hit the
Aeromart looking for carbs suitable for Corvair use. I found an
appropriate
Stromberg with the mixture pieces tied to it (if one was so inclined). I
went ahead and snatched it up, figuring that some Corvaircrafter (or
small Continental user) out there
might need one. I popped the top, it is intact, with no visible bowl
corrosion from ethanol use. I paid $250 for it, I am asking $250 for it,
and you pay for shipping. Let me know, thanks...
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/stromberg1.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/stromberg2.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/stromberg3.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/stromberg4.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/stromberg5.jpg
Ryan
Ryan Mueller
rmueller23(at)gmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Stromberg for sale |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Ryan,
I sent you a private message.
--------
John Francis
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381057#381057
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| Subject: | Re: Stromberg for sale |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Ryan,
John sent you a public message saying that he sent you a private message.
:)
BC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381061#381061
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Stromberg for sale |
Bill,
Saw that actually. Dan Y woke the girls up early and had them whip a
little drawing to let me know, then had Ugela efax that over before
she could even have her first cup of joe. I would reply to Dan in
confirmation, but he's probably balled up in the fetal position now,
whimpering softly. As such, I'm going to stop at a Western Union and
send Gary B a telegram, to see if he can forward the message to Safety
Dan, and have climb to the highest spot in the land down there in TN
to relay it via semaphore....with the bright yellow shirt he should be
easy enough to spot....well, in the surrounding 38 states and Canada
at least. Thanks for the heads up,
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 17, 2012, at 5:07 AM, Bill Church wrote:
>
> Ryan,
>
> John sent you a public message saying that he sent you a private message.
>
> :)
>
> BC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381061#381061
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Stromberg for sale |
FYI, got a commitment on the carb. Thanks,
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 16, 2012, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
Evening all,
I had the opportunity to spend a few days at OSH this year, so I hit the
Aeromart looking for carbs suitable for Corvair use. I found an appropriate
Stromberg with the mixture pieces tied to it (if one was so inclined). I
went ahead and snatched it up, figuring that some Corvaircrafter (or small
Continental user) out there
might need one. I popped the top, it is intact, with no visible bowl
corrosion from ethanol use. I paid $250 for it, I am asking $250 for it,
and you pay for shipping. Let me know, thanks...
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/stromberg1.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/stromberg2.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/stromberg3.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/stromberg4.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/stromberg5.jpg
Ryan
Ryan Mueller
rmueller23(at)gmail.com
*
*
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Larry,
I for one am sad to see you take leave from the list. Who is going to keep
us in line? Egads are we expected to self-police?
Have fun sir. We are with you in spirit and I suspect would all like to be
doing the same thing. See you next year at Brodhead with the Skyscout.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2012 7:28 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Adieu
I hereby relinquish my title and standing as Top Curmudgeon to an ad hoc gr
oup until such time as I return to this list.
My current passion is paragliding and the attendant travel to foreign and o
ut-of-the-way places sometimes makes it difficult to find wi-fi hotspots. E
ven if I have access to a computer, time is usually limited so wading throu
gh email is cumbersome. I want to enjoy this type of flying for as long as
my old body will hold up so I am simplifying my life as much as I can so I
can devote time and energy to that end.
The irony to this is that I just bought a Sky Scout project! I'll work on i
t when I'm home as time permits. So you see, I haven't given up on the marq
ue and I still have a big surprise in mind for next year at Brodhead.
Until later:
1. Build to the plans.
2. Build light.
3. Don't add any stupid stuff.
4. Archive all you want!
Larry Williams
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Stromberg for sale |
Gotta drive to the SF Bay Area today...I'll stop by Western Union...
It's calm weather...good day for sky writing, too.
Gary from Cool
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:20 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stromberg for sale
Bill,
Saw that actually. Dan Y woke the girls up early and had them whip a
little drawing to let me know, then had Ugela efax that over before
she could even have her first cup of joe. I would reply to Dan in
confirmation, but he's probably balled up in the fetal position now,
whimpering softly. As such, I'm going to stop at a Western Union and
send Gary B a telegram, to see if he can forward the message to Safety
Dan, and have climb to the highest spot in the land down there in TN
to relay it via semaphore....with the bright yellow shirt he should be
easy enough to spot....well, in the surrounding 38 states and Canada
at least. Thanks for the heads up,
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 17, 2012, at 5:07 AM, Bill Church wrote:
>
> Ryan,
>
> John sent you a public message saying that he sent you a private message.
>
> :)
>
> BC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381061#381061
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | A65 pushrod housing connectors |
http://www.brewcitytools.com/klein-d514-8.htm
Link to the tool I have. Has provisions to grab rings while holding he tool
horizontal or vertical.-
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Aluminum Strut fittings |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Dan,
Did you use the small struts from Carlson Aircraft? And, what did you
figure for safe thread depth of the J3 forks? I couldn't find a minimum
thread depth chart for steel bolts into aluminum. A typical rule of thumb
for steel-in-steel is one thread diameter minimum to match the full
strength of the bolt. I would assume steel-in-aluminum to be more than
that since aluminum isn't quite as strong as steel. Aluminum is also
subject to fatigue over the long haul, so overkill would be good here.
Saw your piet at Brodhead this year. Looks beautiful!
Thanks,
--
Greg Bacon
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Greg,
Thank you for the kind words. I have attached a pic of the fitting. This is
a J-3 fork. If you can get a drawing of that fork you will be able to eye-
ball how much thread engagement I have there. Yes I used the small struts f
rom Carlson. This set-up is working well so far. If I can be of further ser
vice let me know.
Dan H
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:33 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
Dan,
Did you use the small struts from Carlson Aircraft? And, what did you figu
re for safe thread depth of the J3 forks? I couldn't find a minimum thread
depth chart for steel bolts into aluminum. A typical rule of thumb for st
eel-in-steel is one thread diameter minimum to match the full strength of t
he bolt. I would assume steel-in-aluminum to be more than that since alumi
num isn't quite as strong as steel. Aluminum is also subject to fatigue ov
er the long haul, so overkill would be good here.
Saw your piet at Brodhead this year. Looks beautiful!
Thanks,
--
Greg Bacon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
Hey Dan,
During your final assembly, did you actually have to make adjustments to all 4
forks? I'm wondering if you could be really careful with all the strut lengths
and maybe only need to make adjustments to the rear struts?
Am I thinking right or is adjustment on all 4 absolutely necessary? I would like
to avoid buying those $80 fittings if their not going to get much use....
Your (or anyone's!) thoughts?
JM
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Aug 17, 2012 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
Hi Greg,
Thank you for the kind words. I have attached a pic of the fitting. This is a J-3
fork. If you can get a drawing of that fork you will be able to eye-ball how
much thread engagement I have there. Yes I used the small struts from Carlson.
This set-up is working well so far. If I can be of further service let me know.
Dan H
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:33 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
Dan,
Did you use the small struts from Carlson Aircraft? And, what did you figure for
safe thread depth of the J3 forks? I couldn't find a minimum thread depth
chart for steel bolts into aluminum. A typical rule of thumb for steel-in-steel
is one thread diameter minimum to match the full strength of the bolt. I would
assume steel-in-aluminum to be more than that since aluminum isn't quite
as strong as steel. Aluminum is also subject to fatigue over the long haul, so
overkill would be good here.
Saw your piet at Brodhead this year. Looks beautiful!
Thanks,
--
Greg Bacon
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
I have fixed struts on the front and adjustable on the rear to set washout. It
is a pretty standard way of building lift struts.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381085#381085
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Use your front struts to set your dihedral if you have any and rears for washout.
You can also correct a heavy wing issue with the rear strut adjustment. I
have a three piece wing and have dihedral.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381092#381092
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/wingliftstrutforks.php
Link to Aeronca forks. These are the forks I will be flying with.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jim,
If you are careful maybe you can get away with it. A laser level would be v
ery helpful. Then you could be sure of what you are doing.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:36 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
>
Hey Dan,
During your final assembly, did you actually have to make adjustments to al
l 4
forks? I'm wondering if you could be really careful with all the strut len
gths
and maybe only need to make adjustments to the rear struts?
Am I thinking right or is adjustment on all 4 absolutely necessary? I woul
d
like to avoid buying those $80 fittings if their not going to get much use.
...
Your (or anyone's!) thoughts?
JM
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Aug 17, 2012 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
Hi Greg,
Thank you for the kind words. I have attached a pic of the fitting. This is
a
J-3 fork. If you can get a drawing of that fork you will be able to eye-bal
l how
much thread engagement I have there. Yes I used the small struts from Carls
on.
This set-up is working well so far. If I can be of further service let me k
now.
Dan H
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:33 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
Dan,
Did you use the small struts from Carlson Aircraft? And, what did you figu
re
for safe thread depth of the J3 forks? I couldn't find a minimum thread de
pth
chart for steel bolts into aluminum. A typical rule of thumb for steel-in-
steel
is one thread diameter minimum to match the full strength of the bolt. I w
ould
assume steel-in-aluminum to be more than that since aluminum isn't quite as
strong as steel. Aluminum is also subject to fatigue over the long haul, s
o
overkill would be good here.
Saw your piet at Brodhead this year. Looks beautiful!
Thanks,
--
Greg Bacon
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
Dear Curmudgeon,
Please give a little more info on the Sky Scout project! Since I am now abo
ut 1/2 way through building one (fuselage,tail sections, center section, 1/
2 the wing and landing gear and tail wheel done). I plan on getti
ng the other half of the wing done this fall, then the struts and rigging.
Have the A65 and prop. All built strictly to plans, including the landing g
ear. Even the A65 is OK since the plans came with t the mount drawings!
All Sky Scout guys should hang together, we certainly are a minority!
Ray Krause
Colusa, CA
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 16, 2012, at 5:27 PM, Lawrence Williams wrote:
>
>
>
> I hereby relinquish my title and standing as Top Curmudgeon to an ad hoc g
roup until such time as I return to this list.
>
> My current passion is paragliding and the attendant travel to foreign and o
ut-of-the-way places sometimes makes it difficult to find wi-fi hotspots. Ev
en if I have access to a computer, time is usually limited so wading through
email is cumbersome. I want to enjoy this type of flying for as long as my o
ld body will hold up so I am simplifying my life as much as I can so I can d
evote time and energy to that end.
>
> The irony to this is that I just bought a Sky Scout project! I'll work on i
t when I'm home as time permits. So you see, I haven't given up on the marqu
e and I still have a big surprise in mind for next year at Brodhead.
>
> Until later:
> 1. Build to the plans.
> 2. Build light.
> 3. Don't add any stupid stuff.
> 4. Archive all you want!
>
> Larry Williams
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: I am now a man of steel! |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
that's really super, man.......!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381104#381104
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: A65 pushrod housing connectors |
| From: | "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com> |
You can go to NAPA and get the pliers to use on hog rings. A fiend of mine had
to work on a C-85 the other day with new ECI cylinders it had new green seals
on the tubes with screws on them that used a screw driver to tighten. I just
called him and he didn't know what brand they were, but he said when you put the
seals on they better be clean and dry or they will leak.[/b]
--------
Building steel fuselage aircamper.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381118#381118
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| Subject: | Son-in-law-to-be sits in Piet... film at 11:00... |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Just needs a scarf and a skull cap!
He was trying to sit so that he'd go faster... I had to explain Low and
Slow to him...
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| Subject: | Re: Scout out a Scout |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Curt,
I live in Alexandria which is about an hour away. I am building a Piet as my first
project so I don't know if that qualifies me for what you have in mind, but
I can offer my help.
Tom
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381129#381129
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Jim, I started off using a laser pointer when setting the dihedral. I
found it hard to use, due to jiggling of the pointer at one end and
the widening of the light by the time it got to the other end. After
an hour or so of frustration, I went to the local sporting goods store
and bought some high-test, non-stretch fishing line. Then I tied that
to a stick that could be clamped at one of the wing and pulled very
tight to a stick clamped to the end of the other wing. That made the
whole thing easy, though I never did catch a fish. Cheers, Ken
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Jim Markle wrote:
> Thanks Dan, I'll give that a try.
>
> helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Jim,
>
> If you are careful maybe you can get away with it. A laser level would be
> very helpful. Then you could be sure of what you are doing.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:36 am
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
>
>
> Hey Dan,
>
> During your final assembly, did you actually have to make adjustments to all
> 4
> forks? I'm wondering if you could be really careful with all the strut
> lengths
> and maybe only need to make adjustments to the rear struts?
>
> Am I thinking right or is adjustment on all 4 absolutely necessary? I would
> like to avoid buying those $80 fittings if their not going to get much
> use....
>
> Your (or anyone's!) thoughts?
>
> JM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: helspersew(at)aol.com
> Sent: Aug 17, 2012 9:19 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
>
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> Thank you for the kind words. I have attached a pic of the fitting. This is
> a
> J-3 fork. If you can get a drawing of that fork you will be able to eye-ball
> how
> much thread engagement I have there. Yes I used the small struts from
> Carlson.
> This set-up is working well so far. If I can be of further service let me
> know.
>
> Dan H
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:33 am
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
>
>
> Dan,
>
>
> Did you use the small struts from Carlson Aircraft? And, what did you
> figure
> for safe thread depth of the J3 forks? I couldn't find a minimum thread
> depth
> chart for steel bolts into aluminum. A typical rule of thumb for
> steel-in-steel
> is one thread diameter minimum to match the full strength of the bolt. I
> would
> assume steel-in-aluminum to be more than that since aluminum isn't quite as
> strong as steel. Aluminum is also subject to fatigue over the long haul, so
> overkill would be good here.
>
>
> Saw your piet at Brodhead this year. Looks beautiful!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Greg Bacon
>
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Son-in-law-to-be sits in Piet... film at 11:00... |
He's interested..that's a good sign.might be a keeper.
Gary from Cool
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 9:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Son-in-law-to-be sits in Piet... film at 11:00...
Just needs a scarf and a skull cap!
He was trying to sit so that he'd go faster... I had to explain Low and Slow
to him...
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| From: | "l.morlock" <l.morlock(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
Or use a "bunyip" aka water level. Buy a length of clear plastic tubing at
the hardware store, fill it with water (almost), find a helper, hold it up
to the wing, then observe the level of the water on each end of the tube to
find level or whatever amount of dihedral you want.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Bickers" <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
>
> Jim, I started off using a laser pointer when setting the dihedral. I
> found it hard to use, due to jiggling of the pointer at one end and
> the widening of the light by the time it got to the other end. After
> an hour or so of frustration, I went to the local sporting goods store
> and bought some high-test, non-stretch fishing line. Then I tied that
> to a stick that could be clamped at one of the wing and pulled very
> tight to a stick clamped to the end of the other wing. That made the
> whole thing easy, though I never did catch a fish. Cheers, Ken
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Jim Markle
> wrote:
>> Thanks Dan, I'll give that a try.
>>
>> helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
>> Jim,
>>
>> If you are careful maybe you can get away with it. A laser level would be
>> very helpful. Then you could be sure of what you are doing.
>>
>> Dan Helsper
>> Puryear, TN
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>> To: pietenpol-list
>> Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:36 am
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Dan,
>>
>> During your final assembly, did you actually have to make adjustments to
>> all
>> 4
>> forks? I'm wondering if you could be really careful with all the strut
>> lengths
>> and maybe only need to make adjustments to the rear struts?
>>
>> Am I thinking right or is adjustment on all 4 absolutely necessary? I
>> would
>> like to avoid buying those $80 fittings if their not going to get much
>> use....
>>
>> Your (or anyone's!) thoughts?
>>
>> JM
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: helspersew(at)aol.com
>> Sent: Aug 17, 2012 9:19 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Greg,
>>
>> Thank you for the kind words. I have attached a pic of the fitting. This
>> is
>> a
>> J-3 fork. If you can get a drawing of that fork you will be able to
>> eye-ball
>> how
>> much thread engagement I have there. Yes I used the small struts from
>> Carlson.
>> This set-up is working well so far. If I can be of further service let me
>> know.
>>
>> Dan H
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
>> To: pietenpol-list
>> Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:33 am
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
>>
>>
>> Dan,
>>
>>
>> Did you use the small struts from Carlson Aircraft? And, what did you
>> figure
>> for safe thread depth of the J3 forks? I couldn't find a minimum thread
>> depth
>> chart for steel bolts into aluminum. A typical rule of thumb for
>> steel-in-steel
>> is one thread diameter minimum to match the full strength of the bolt. I
>> would
>> assume steel-in-aluminum to be more than that since aluminum isn't quite
>> as
>> strong as steel. Aluminum is also subject to fatigue over the long haul,
>> so
>> overkill would be good here.
>>
>>
>> Saw your piet at Brodhead this year. Looks beautiful!
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
>> Greg Bacon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>
>>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Did a little painting today..
I've always liked the look of the wing registration numbers but wasn't sure if
i'd put em on the piet...
i decided why not..
Jeff
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| Subject: | BFR's......first flights? |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Gary and Douwe-
Waiting..............to hear how those BFR's are coming and ultimately.....
...first flights?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: BFR's......first flights? |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
More than just Dan waiting and watching... How's a guy suppose to fan the flame
of hope and optimism if you guys don't post your flight successes :D
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| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Ooooowwww! Veeerrry nice! And the wing numbers look great too! But that shop floor,
and the size! Where was that taken Jeff?
Kidding aside, those numbers look very clean. How'd you do them?
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| Subject: | Re: Control sticks in position... |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Jake!
I am very interested in your brake set up. Do you have other pictures of the pedals
and cylinders? Where'd you get those toe brake pedals? :D
Very nice. I am planning my brake assembly now, and am trying to determine who's
design I want to steal...er... Imitate :)
Thanks!
Mark
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
hello marl I hope your stared wellding these is fun and bery relaxed finish
ed my 10 rib in 18 day I know Im backwars but one those day fly my firs mis
sion, seyou nex jorge from hanford=0A=0A=0AFrom: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@
gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, August 18,
2012 10:01 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: big numbers=0A=0A--> Pietenpo
l-List message posted by: "Mark Roberts" =0A=0AOoooo
wwww! Veeerrry nice! And the wing numbers look great too! But that shop flo
or, and the size! Where was that taken Jeff? =0A=0AKidding aside, those num
bers look very clean. How'd you do them?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onli
ne here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381212#381212
=======================
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Piper Parts Fore Sale |
Attached is a-list of parts for sale perhaps some of you, or someone you
know, can make use of. These are not mine, but if interested, contact me of
f list and I will put you in touch with the seller.
-
Thanks.
-
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: BFR's......first flights? |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Having talked to both these guys about 1st flights, I promise you they are approaching
the events patiently and with appropriate due-diligence.
They'll go when they've got their stuff together, to their credit.
Of course, I want them to go fly, too:).
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: BFR's......first flights? |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
True words Kevin!
Hope you are mending quickly and FBG begins her healing soon!
Mark
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
this little shop ??
i work on corporate jets for a living... this hangar will hold a citation..a G4
and a falcon 2000 with plenty of room for the piet..
i'm lucky enough to be able to keep my plane in the hangar.. and build it here...part
of the reason its gone together fast.... its accessible
i made a stencil for the numbers based on the info on the Westcoastpiet site
By the way... this is all that crazy latex paint
jeff
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Construction/Markings%20pg%202.pdf
i thought i was going to use the outline of the "8" but it was eaiser to use the
"8" that i cut out..... traced with a pencil and the painted with a foam brush..
30" tall 20" wide and 5" width on the letters and numbers
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| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Well Brother, the secret's out... Now we can all have perfect numbers! :D but
we can't all have a perfect shop like yours... Very nice Jeff. And thanks for
the info. I forgot about the west coast Piet files like this. I'm off to get
my own now!
Mark
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Slow speed rush to 1st flight |
In typical Pietenpol fashion, the taxi tests continue at slow and careful
rate.
Phase 1 taxi was for 2 hrs at 5mph. A slight problem developed with the tail
wheel, which was easily remedied by a different washer arrangement (Curt - a
lot of the vibration is now gone!).
Today began Phase 2 - two hours at 10-15mph. For a passenger, I had the
esteemed Chris Tracy. Airport visitor traffic was heavy, making any work
difficult. Brakes are ineffectual, but Dan Helsper led me to some nice brake
linings that will need to be riveted on before further taxi. Curt Merdan had
suggested that my master switch appeared vulnerable, and, sure enough, I
must have bumped it with my knee the last time I got out.this morning,
switch was ON and battery was dead. I put the charger on for a few hours
before Chris showed up, but it was only enough to get a little juice back in
the battery.had to hand prop my Corvair! Nice to know that it's possible.
For me, this time is proving valuable.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight |
| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
Gary, How is the prop pulling?
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| Subject: | Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Gary,
Good to hear of your progress. As you well know, the punch list will go on
for some time, adding at the top and scratching off at the bottom. This is
to be expected with a custom-built "anything". After two years, I finally f
eel like I have a viable airplane with many of the major problems solved. W
ith luck, yours will be minor. Keep plodding along..............
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 19, 2012 4:57 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Slow speed rush to 1st flight
In typical Pietenpol fashion, the taxi tests continue at slow and careful r
ate.
Phase 1 taxi was for 2 hrs at 5mph. A slight problem developed with the tai
l wheel, which was easily remedied by a different washer arrangement (Curt
=93 a lot of the vibration is now gone!).
Today began Phase 2 =93 two hours at 10-15mph. For a passenger, I had
the esteemed Chris Tracy. Airport visitor traffic was heavy, making any wo
rk difficult. Brakes are ineffectual, but Dan Helsper led me to some nice b
rake linings that will need to be riveted on before further taxi. Curt Merd
an had suggested that my master switch appeared vulnerable, and, sure enoug
h, I must have bumped it with my knee the last time I got outthis
morning, switch was ON and battery was dead. I put the charger on for a few
hours before Chris showed up, but it was only enough to get a little juice
back in the batteryhad to hand prop my Corvair! Nice to know that
it=99s possible
For me, this time is proving valuable.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Wow! How fun...
Hope Chris can make another West Coast Piet gathering again... Maybe next year
you can fly him down too! :D
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight |
Forward.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwilson
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight
Gary, How is the prop pulling?
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight |
Mark ,
One of the airport bums (I get to say that now, 'cuz I'm one) that stopped
by today, asked if we ever had an annual get-together in California. Even
though he doesn't have a Piet, he'd like to join us where-ever we are. I'd
love for The Word to spread about Charlie's wing-ding!
Today was the first time that Chris sat in a moving Pietenpol!! While
sitting in front of me, I shot him in the butt with some Pietenpol lemonade!
Hopefully, he'll get back to it, though he definitely has his hands full
with work and family...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight
-->
Wow! How fun...
Hope Chris can make another West Coast Piet gathering again... Maybe next
year you can fly him down too! :D
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight |
Sorry, Dan...couldn't resist...
The last static test done, with the Dan Helsper Industrial Fish Scales,
showed a pull of 300#'s. Haven't done any high speed yet taxi's yet...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:02 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight
-->
Forward.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwilson
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight
Gary, How is the prop pulling?
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| Subject: | Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
300 lbs should be plenty to get you up in the air. Strongest pull on mine w
as 265#. Go for it!!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:16 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight
Sorry, Dan...couldn't resist...
The last static test done, with the Dan Helsper Industrial Fish Scales,
showed a pull of 300#'s. Haven't done any high speed yet taxi's yet...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:02 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight
-->
Forward.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwilson
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight
Gary, How is the prop pulling?
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| Subject: | Re: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Orrin, I meant to share this with you a few weeks ago, but I'm just now getting
around to it. Here is a picture of some of your family when they visited my
hangar last winter. You probably already know, but for the sake of other readers,
they are (L to R)... Bernice Hoopman (Finke) - daughter of Orrin C., John
Finke - son of Don, Cathy Ryan - daughter of Bernice and John and Orrin's granddaughter,
and the blonde girl in the back is Angie Hyatt - daughter of Kathy
Ryan and Orrin's great granddaughter. She is surrounded by her family... I'm
sorry, I forget their names. Kathy and Angie live here in Oklahoma while Bernice
and John still live in Cherry Grove.
Hope you enjoy the photo!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
A bunyip will only be useful for setting dihedral if your shop/hangar floor is
dead-flat and level. If the floor has even a slight pitch or slant to it, you
could end up with some weird rigging issues. Your fuselage could be sitting
at the same angle as the floor, but your wingtips will be level with each other.
The stretched string is probably better suited for this job.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Slow speed rush to 1st flight |
Gary's plane looks fantastic and he is very popular at the airport with lots
of visitors and people waving as he taxies by. I can also report that the
Corvair engine preformed admirably as a ground based vehicle power plant,
but I would expect that from a car engine.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Slow speed rush to 1st flight
In typical Pietenpol fashion, the taxi tests continue at slow and careful
rate.
Phase 1 taxi was for 2 hrs at 5mph. A slight problem developed with the tail
wheel, which was easily remedied by a different washer arrangement (Curt - a
lot of the vibration is now gone!).
Today began Phase 2 - two hours at 10-15mph. For a passenger, I had the
esteemed Chris Tracy. Airport visitor traffic was heavy, making any work
difficult. Brakes are ineffectual, but Dan Helsper led me to some nice brake
linings that will need to be riveted on before further taxi. Curt Merdan had
suggested that my master switch appeared vulnerable, and, sure enough, I
must have bumped it with my knee the last time I got out.this morning,
switch was ON and battery was dead. I put the charger on for a few hours
before Chris showed up, but it was only enough to get a little juice back in
the battery.had to hand prop my Corvair! Nice to know that it's possible.
For me, this time is proving valuable.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Is anyone going to MERFI |
Is anyone planning on flying their Piet to MERFI next saturday?- The MERF
I fly-in is at Urbana Grimes Airport in Urbana Ohio on Aug 25, 26.- I pla
n on flying over on Saturday mid to late morning with my neighbors, a Cessn
a 140, a Space Walker2, and a Stits Playmate.- If any of you Ohio Pieter'
s-want to join us (Mike Cuy, Don Emch) We will be leaving Chapman Memoria
l on Saturday about 10-11 am.- Hope to see some of you there.
-
Shad
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
Ken, Billy and others please further explain the string and stick method.
I'm having trouble visualizing.
Thanks!
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy
McCaskill
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 11:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut fittings
A bunyip will only be useful for setting dihedral if your shop/hangar floor
is dead-flat and level. If the floor has even a slight pitch or slant to
it, you could end up with some weird rigging issues. Your fuselage could be
sitting at the same angle as the floor, but your wingtips will be level with
each other. The stretched string is probably better suited for this job.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Don't do any high speed taxis!!!!!!!
On Aug 19, 2012, at 7:16 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
>
> Sorry, Dan...couldn't resist...
>
> The last static test done, with the Dan Helsper Industrial Fish Scales,
> showed a pull of 300#'s. Haven't done any high speed yet taxi's yet...
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
A few years ago I was fortunate to be able to afford one of those fancy rot
ating laser levels. It even has a hand-held receiver (arrows and beeper) so
that it can be used in bright sun. I have used this thing innumerable time
s on many different projects, including of course the Piet rigging. It real
ly made it a no-brainer.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:30 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut fittings
Ken, Billy and others please further explain the string and stick method.
I'm having trouble visualizing.
Thanks!
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy
McCaskill
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 11:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut fittings
A bunyip will only be useful for setting dihedral if your shop/hangar floor
is dead-flat and level. If the floor has even a slight pitch or slant to
it, you could end up with some weird rigging issues. Your fuselage could b
e
sitting at the same angle as the floor, but your wingtips will be level wit
h
each other. The stretched string is probably better suited for this job.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381312#381312
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| Subject: | Re: Is anyone going to MERFI |
| From: | Matthew <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
Wish I could make it, but I don't think it would be a good choice to skip my
wedding for it, might inhibit later outings!! However, if anyone want to d
o a flyover at WACO airport in Troy between 1530 and 1700, that would be pre
tty cool :)
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 20, 2012, at 2:42 AM, shad bell wrote:
> Is anyone planning on flying their Piet to MERFI next saturday? The MERFI
fly-in is at Urbana Grimes Airport in Urbana Ohio on Aug 25, 26. I plan on
flying over on Saturday mid to late morning with my neighbors, a Cessna 140
, a Space Walker2, and a Stits Playmate. If any of you Ohio Pieter's want t
o join us (Mike Cuy, Don Emch) We will be leaving Chapman Memorial on Saturd
ay about 10-11 am. Hope to see some of you there.
>
> Shad
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: bunyips, bubbles and gravity.... Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
Egad, I never even thought about that....
Ok, so the way I do it is: I first put the fuse up on saw horses and level it using
whatever method....
Then I level everything else using the same method, bunyip, laser or whatever.
I also have a digital level but it just doesn't seem to get as accurate as a
bubble, laser or bunyip.
Am I missing something or wouldn't that do the trick?
I hope this is ok since I'm gonna do the tail feathers/cables shortly.
And I haven't had my first cup of coffee so maybe I'm missing something....
JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: Billy McCaskill <billmz(at)cox.net>
>Sent: Aug 19, 2012 11:09 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut fittings
>
>
>A bunyip will only be useful for setting dihedral if your shop/hangar floor is
dead-flat and level. If the floor has even a slight pitch or slant to it, you
could end up with some weird rigging issues. Your fuselage could be sitting
at the same angle as the floor, but your wingtips will be level with each other.
The stretched string is probably better suited for this job.
>
>--------
>Billy McCaskill
>Baker, LA
>tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381312#381312
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight |
I too appreciate the fact the others on this list take the time to update u
s on their current build or taxi, testing/flight status. Reading the posts
on "First engine run", or "Cut my first metal piece today", "Taxi tests goi
ng fine" etc. all keep me focused and motivated.-
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Steady as she goes.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "l.morlock" <l.morlock(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
Yes, you do have to level the fuselage first, forgot to mention that.
Wouldn't you also have to level the fuselage with the stretched string
method?
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut fittings
>
> A bunyip will only be useful for setting dihedral if your shop/hangar
> floor is dead-flat and level. If the floor has even a slight pitch or
> slant to it, you could end up with some weird rigging issues. Your
> fuselage could be sitting at the same angle as the floor, but your
> wingtips will be level with each other. The stretched string is probably
> better suited for this job.
>
> --------
> Billy McCaskill
> Baker, LA
> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381312#381312
>
>
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: bunyips, bubbles and gravity.... Re: Aluminum Strut |
fittings
If I may,
-
When I temporarily had my plane is the garage to fit the wings, I did this:
-
1) Level fuselage, front to back AND side to side.
2) Everything else gets referenced to the fuselage!
3) Set C.S vertical to fuse. (90 deg. side to side)-Make sure C.S. is per
pendicular to fuselage, side to side. When looking at the plane head on, th
e C.S. should not be angled out one side or the other.
4) Square the C.S. When looking down at the C.S. from above, it should be i
n line with the fuselage, it should not be "twisted".
5) Attach wings.
6) Use a single reference point on the FUSELAGE. Like a hinge at the tail p
ost. (again, everything is referenced-from-the fuse.-once set. (see 1
above.)-Measure the distance from there to each wing trailing edge corne
r. The two measurements should match.
7) On a side note, using a point near the cockpits, or nose of the plane, y
ou can set up the horizontal stab. the same way.
8) Run string on top of the wing from tip to tip. I ran mine along the fron
t spar. (wing was not covered.)- Set dihedral...or not.
9) Run string along rear spar same as 8 above and set washout...or not.
-
Referencing everything to the fuselage helps avoid irregularities-from th
e ground, non-square walls, non-flat ceilings, etc.- The plane only cares
how its parts relate to itself, not to the floor of your shop!
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Larry,
Can you describe your string method? I'm assuming you stretch from end rib
to end rib inbetween the front and rear spars. Do you set the dihedral by
making sure the distances from the string to the wing are the same at all
respective locations (E.g. - 3/16 inch at number 6 ribs, 3/4 inch at but
ribs)? Seems simple enough.
By the way, "Spider Wire" is a fishing string brand that would work well
for this. It has almost no stretch.
Thanks,
Greg Bacon
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:19 AM, l.morlock wrote:
>
> Yes, you do have to level the fuselage first, forgot to mention that.
> Wouldn't you also have to level the fuselage with the stretched string
> method?
>
> Larry
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:09 AM
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut fittings
>
>
>>
>> A bunyip will only be useful for setting dihedral if your shop/hangar
>> floor is dead-flat and level. If the floor has even a slight pitch or
>> slant to it, you could end up with some weird rigging issues. Your
>> fuselage could be sitting at the same angle as the floor, but your wingtips
>> will be level with each other. The stretched string is probably better
>> suited for this job.
>>
>> --------
>> Billy McCaskill
>> Baker, LA
>> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
>>
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/**viewtopic.php?p=381312#381312>
>>
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Greg Bacon
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| From: | "l.morlock" <l.morlock(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
I've never used the string method, only a bunyip. Maybe Billy McCaskill
can explain the string method further?
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Bacon
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut fittings
Larry,
Can you describe your string method? I'm assuming you stretch from
end rib to end rib inbetween the front and rear spars. Do you set the
dihedral by making sure the distances from the string to the wing are
the same at all respective locations (E.g. - 3/16 inch at number 6 ribs,
3/4 inch at but ribs)? Seems simple enough.
By the way, "Spider Wire" is a fishing string brand that would work
well for this. It has almost no stretch.
Thanks,
Greg Bacon
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:19 AM, l.morlock wrote:
Yes, you do have to level the fuselage first, forgot to mention
that. Wouldn't you also have to level the fuselage with the stretched
string method?
Larry
----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy McCaskill"
To:
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut fittings
A bunyip will only be useful for setting dihedral if your
shop/hangar floor is dead-flat and level. If the floor has even a
slight pitch or slant to it, you could end up with some weird rigging
issues. Your fuselage could be sitting at the same angle as the floor,
but your wingtips will be level with each other. The stretched string
is probably better suited for this job.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381312#381312
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| Subject: | Rigging references. |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I do a lot of machine tool rebuilding which is completely analogous to rigging
a wing. I've noticed a couple of things which weren't completely explained.
First, using a string to establish dihedral, or make sure there isn't any. It's
alright to stretch a string between the wingtips and make sure it's 1 1/2" above
the center section to establish dihedral, but you ALSO have to make sure
that string is level, to make sure EACH SIDE has the same dihedral.
Making sure a string is level isn't an easy thing with a level. Even a 4' level
isn't that long compared to 29', and holding it is another matter. Lastly,
the quality of the typical 4' level isn't that great. Small errors transposed
over 29' quickly add up. The laser level or water level will work better. Easily
as accurate, is to forget about level, and only worry about relative dimensions.
Stretch a string near the floor under the front spar and get it as close to level
as you can by eye for convenience. Put another under the middle of the fuse,
front to back, perpendicular to the first. Make sure it's perpendicular by
using a 3x4x5 pythagorean triplet. That is measure along one line 3', the other
4' and make sure those two poings (which form the hypotenuse of a right triangle)
are exactly 5' apart (diagonally). If they are, you have a REALLY accurate
right angle. Adjust one string as necessary to make that happen.
Prop up the plane's tail to get the top longeron of the fuse parallel to the front
to back string. If your fuse isn't covered, set a straight board across,
hang a string down in the middle of it and make sure the middle is lined up and
the distance from that board to the string is the same, all along the centerline
of the fuse.
Now make sure your fuselage is perpendicular to spar string in the x axis the same
way as described as making sure the wing is perpendicular to the fuse as looked
at from above.
Now make sure the fuse is perpendicular to the spar string in the y axis. Clamp
a nice straight board to the side of the fuse down to the string. Make sure
it makes a right angle. Measure up along that board 4', measure out along the
string 3' and then make sure the hypotenuse is 5'.
Now just measure up from the spar string to points on the wing, using a plumb bob,
to establish dihedral and make sure the wing is on straight (or the front
spar is).
Now, put another string parallel to the front spar string, under the rear spar.
Make sure it's parallel by just getting on the ground in front and make sure
it lines up. If it lines up really close over 30', it'll be CLOSE. Getting
the two spar strings to intersect the centerline string is where you need to be
the most finicky as you only have a few feet between them. Nice small string,
with a fair amount of tension and be very finicky about them JUST touching.
Now you measure up from the rear string to the spar just as the front. If you
have no washout, the dimensions will be the same. Or you can use direct measurements
to establish washout.
Using this method will eliminate any error in reading level and error in your hangar's
floor.
I'm sure this might not be enough detail for some folks, but is detailed enough
spawn questions.
Lastly, I've become pretty good friends with the guy at the EAA's museum who placed
EVERY airplane in there. He's traveled ALL OVER the nation to get those
planes, taking them apart, hauling them back and putting them back together.
His stories of just how INACCURATE the rigging is on so many of those airplanes
is surprising. The point being, especially in the genre of a Piet, there's
a lot of forgiveness. However, if you're like me, it's just tough to sleep at
night worring about these things. Establishing a REALLY accurate datum should
help a lot.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381355#381355
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Larry, Jack, et al:
I used the string method. Careful leveling ahead of time is a very
good idea, as you'd like to make sure that everything is going to turn
out true later on. But in truth, the string method is
self-referential in the sense that you are measuring from wing
locations compared to other wing locations and not to anything else.
Here are the steps:
1. Buy some non-stretch string that is long enough to span from wing
tip to wing tip. I used fishing line. Here in Colorado we have lots of
places to buy fishing line, most of which is beautiful fly-line used
to catch finicky high altitude trout. What I really wanted was the
sort of line that would be used by guys with southern drawls and
fishing boats that match their trucks who catch big honkin' fish just
waiting to be floured and fried. So it took a bit of looking to find
some line that would work.
2. You'll need two sticks. I used left over spruce about 3/4" by
3/4" and maybe 8 or 10 inches long.
3. Clamp one stick vertically to an outboard wing rib (notice exactly
which gusset or intercoastal to which you've clamp the stick).
4. Tie one end of the string a set distance above the capstrip of the
end rib (I tied mine one inch above the capstrip).
5. At the other end rib, do exactly the same (i.e. tying the string
the same distance above the capstrip at the same location on the rib)
while stretching the string very, very tight. You want to minimize
sag in the string. This is the reason for buying non-stretch line.
6. Measure the distance between the string and comparable ribs,
adjusting the spar lengths until you have exactly the same distances,
with whatever dihedral you want to dial in. I set my dihedral to
7/16" measured at the wing root, figuring that the sag in the line was
probably about 1/16".
7. Repeat the process at a couple of different locations down the
rib. I repeated it in three locations. Near the front of the rib;
the middle of the rib; just forward of the aileron bay.
This can be done by one person. A helper is handy so that one person
can be adjusting the spar length while the other is measuring. I had
two helpers, which was too much help.
Cheers, Ken
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:44 AM, l.morlock wrote:
> I've never used the string method, only a bunyip. Maybe Billy McCaskill can
> explain the string method further?
>
> Larry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg Bacon
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 9:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut fittings
>
> Larry,
>
> Can you describe your string method? I'm assuming you stretch from end rib
> to end rib inbetween the front and rear spars. Do you set the dihedral by
> making sure the distances from the string to the wing are the same at all
> respective locations (E.g. - 3/16 inch at number 6 ribs, 3/4 inch at but
> ribs)? Seems simple enough.
>
> By the way, "Spider Wire" is a fishing string brand that would work well for
> this. It has almost no stretch.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg Bacon
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:19 AM, l.morlock wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yes, you do have to level the fuselage first, forgot to mention that.
>> Wouldn't you also have to level the fuselage with the stretched string
>> method?
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:09 AM
>>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut fittings
>>
>>
>>>
>>> A bunyip will only be useful for setting dihedral if your shop/hangar
>>> floor is dead-flat and level. If the floor has even a slight pitch or slant
>>> to it, you could end up with some weird rigging issues. Your fuselage could
>>> be sitting at the same angle as the floor, but your wingtips will be level
>>> with each other. The stretched string is probably better suited for this
>>> job.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Billy McCaskill
>>> Baker, LA
>>> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381312#381312
>>>
>>>
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Slow speed rush to 1st flight |
Chris=2C how is yours coming? We have not seen or heard anything of you f
or a long time. The word is that family things are getting in the way=2C a
s well they should. Keep up some work and keep in touch. We need a coupl
e more of those continental powered piets to harass with our corviars. V
ic NX414MV And yes Gary's plane looks great!
From: catdesigns(at)att.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Slow speed rush to 1st flight
Date: Sun=2C 19 Aug 2012 21:31:55 -0700
Gary's plane looks fantastic and he is very popular at the airport with lot
s of visitors and people waving as he taxies by. I can also report that the
Corvair engine preformed admirably as a ground based vehicle power plant
=2C but I would expect that from a car engine.
Chris
Sacramento=2C Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Sunday=2C August 19=2C 2012 2:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Slow speed rush to 1st flight
In typical Pietenpol fashion=2C the taxi tests continue at slow and careful
rate.
Phase 1 taxi was for 2 hrs at 5mph. A slight problem developed with the tai
l wheel=2C which was easily remedied by a different washer arrangement (Cur
t ' a lot of the vibration is now gone!).
Today began Phase 2 ' two hours at 10-15mph. For a passenger=2C I had the
esteemed Chris Tracy. Airport visitor traffic was heavy=2C making any work
difficult. Brakes are ineffectual=2C but Dan Helsper led me to some nice b
rake linings that will need to be riveted on before further taxi. Curt Merd
an had suggested that my master switch appeared vulnerable=2C and=2C sure e
nough=2C I must have bumped it with my knee the last time I got out=85this
morning=2C switch was ON and battery was dead. I put the charger on for a f
ew hours before Chris showed up=2C but it was only enough to get a little j
uice back in the battery=85had to hand prop my Corvair! Nice to know that i
t=92s possible=85
For me=2C this time is proving valuable.
Gary Boothe
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Ken,
"adjusting the spar length"
Did you mean to say "lift strut length"?
Thanks,
Greg Bacon
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Ken Bickers wrote:
>
> Larry, Jack, et al:
>
> I used the string method. Careful leveling ahead of time is a very
> good idea, as you'd like to make sure that everything is going to turn
> out true later on. But in truth, the string method is
> self-referential in the sense that you are measuring from wing
> locations compared to other wing locations and not to anything else.
> Here are the steps:
>
> 1. Buy some non-stretch string that is long enough to span from wing
> tip to wing tip. I used fishing line. Here in Colorado we have lots of
> places to buy fishing line, most of which is beautiful fly-line used
> to catch finicky high altitude trout. What I really wanted was the
> sort of line that would be used by guys with southern drawls and
> fishing boats that match their trucks who catch big honkin' fish just
> waiting to be floured and fried. So it took a bit of looking to find
> some line that would work.
> 2. You'll need two sticks. I used left over spruce about 3/4" by
> 3/4" and maybe 8 or 10 inches long.
> 3. Clamp one stick vertically to an outboard wing rib (notice exactly
> which gusset or intercoastal to which you've clamp the stick).
> 4. Tie one end of the string a set distance above the capstrip of the
> end rib (I tied mine one inch above the capstrip).
> 5. At the other end rib, do exactly the same (i.e. tying the string
> the same distance above the capstrip at the same location on the rib)
> while stretching the string very, very tight. You want to minimize
> sag in the string. This is the reason for buying non-stretch line.
> 6. Measure the distance between the string and comparable ribs,
> adjusting the spar lengths until you have exactly the same distances,
> with whatever dihedral you want to dial in. I set my dihedral to
> 7/16" measured at the wing root, figuring that the sag in the line was
> probably about 1/16".
> 7. Repeat the process at a couple of different locations down the
> rib. I repeated it in three locations. Near the front of the rib;
> the middle of the rib; just forward of the aileron bay.
>
> This can be done by one person. A helper is handy so that one person
> can be adjusting the spar length while the other is measuring. I had
> two helpers, which was too much help.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:44 AM, l.morlock wrote:
> > I've never used the string method, only a bunyip. Maybe Billy McCaskill
> can
> > explain the string method further?
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Greg Bacon
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 9:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut fittings
> >
> > Larry,
> >
> > Can you describe your string method? I'm assuming you stretch from end
> rib
> > to end rib inbetween the front and rear spars. Do you set the dihedral
> by
> > making sure the distances from the string to the wing are the same at all
> > respective locations (E.g. - 3/16 inch at number 6 ribs, 3/4 inch at but
> > ribs)? Seems simple enough.
> >
> > By the way, "Spider Wire" is a fishing string brand that would work well
> for
> > this. It has almost no stretch.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Greg Bacon
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:19 AM, l.morlock wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes, you do have to level the fuselage first, forgot to mention that.
> >> Wouldn't you also have to level the fuselage with the stretched string
> >> method?
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net>
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:09 AM
> >>
> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut fittings
> >>
> >>
> billmz(at)cox.net>
> >>>
> >>> A bunyip will only be useful for setting dihedral if your shop/hangar
> >>> floor is dead-flat and level. If the floor has even a slight pitch or
> slant
> >>> to it, you could end up with some weird rigging issues. Your fuselage
> could
> >>> be sitting at the same angle as the floor, but your wingtips will be
> level
> >>> with each other. The stretched string is probably better suited for
> this
> >>> job.
> >>>
> >>> --------
> >>> Billy McCaskill
> >>> Baker, LA
> >>> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Read this topic online here:
> >>>
> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381312#381312
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Ken explained it as well or better than I could. The taught string references
only the wing itself, and nothing else. Presuming that your cabanes/center section
were rigged square and plumb with the fuselage, it doesn't matter if your
floor has any slope or pitch when establishing the dihedral (or lack thereof).
As Ken said, you are measuring from the string stretched between the wingtips
to various points along the wing to make sure that your wingtips are each
at the same angle with respect to the center section. Adjust the length of your
lift struts to accommodate the dihedral angle you are trying to set.
Clear as mud, right? Hope that this helps.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Yes, strut length. Thanks for the correction.
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Greg Bacon wrote:
> Ken,
>
> "adjusting the spar length"
>
> Did you mean to say "lift strut length"?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg Bacon
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Ken Bickers wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry, Jack, et al:
>>
>> I used the string method. Careful leveling ahead of time is a very
>> good idea, as you'd like to make sure that everything is going to turn
>> out true later on. But in truth, the string method is
>> self-referential in the sense that you are measuring from wing
>> locations compared to other wing locations and not to anything else.
>> Here are the steps:
>>
>> 1. Buy some non-stretch string that is long enough to span from wing
>> tip to wing tip. I used fishing line. Here in Colorado we have lots of
>> places to buy fishing line, most of which is beautiful fly-line used
>> to catch finicky high altitude trout. What I really wanted was the
>> sort of line that would be used by guys with southern drawls and
>> fishing boats that match their trucks who catch big honkin' fish just
>> waiting to be floured and fried. So it took a bit of looking to find
>> some line that would work.
>> 2. You'll need two sticks. I used left over spruce about 3/4" by
>> 3/4" and maybe 8 or 10 inches long.
>> 3. Clamp one stick vertically to an outboard wing rib (notice exactly
>> which gusset or intercoastal to which you've clamp the stick).
>> 4. Tie one end of the string a set distance above the capstrip of the
>> end rib (I tied mine one inch above the capstrip).
>> 5. At the other end rib, do exactly the same (i.e. tying the string
>> the same distance above the capstrip at the same location on the rib)
>> while stretching the string very, very tight. You want to minimize
>> sag in the string. This is the reason for buying non-stretch line.
>> 6. Measure the distance between the string and comparable ribs,
>> adjusting the spar lengths until you have exactly the same distances,
>> with whatever dihedral you want to dial in. I set my dihedral to
>> 7/16" measured at the wing root, figuring that the sag in the line was
>> probably about 1/16".
>> 7. Repeat the process at a couple of different locations down the
>> rib. I repeated it in three locations. Near the front of the rib;
>> the middle of the rib; just forward of the aileron bay.
>>
>> This can be done by one person. A helper is handy so that one person
>> can be adjusting the spar length while the other is measuring. I had
>> two helpers, which was too much help.
>>
>> Cheers, Ken
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:44 AM, l.morlock wrote:
>> > I've never used the string method, only a bunyip. Maybe Billy McCaskill
>> > can
>> > explain the string method further?
>> >
>> > Larry
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Greg Bacon
>> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 9:29 AM
>> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut fittings
>> >
>> > Larry,
>> >
>> > Can you describe your string method? I'm assuming you stretch from end
>> > rib
>> > to end rib inbetween the front and rear spars. Do you set the dihedral
>> > by
>> > making sure the distances from the string to the wing are the same at
>> > all
>> > respective locations (E.g. - 3/16 inch at number 6 ribs, 3/4 inch at but
>> > ribs)? Seems simple enough.
>> >
>> > By the way, "Spider Wire" is a fishing string brand that would work well
>> > for
>> > this. It has almost no stretch.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Greg Bacon
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:19 AM, l.morlock wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yes, you do have to level the fuselage first, forgot to mention that.
>> >> Wouldn't you also have to level the fuselage with the stretched string
>> >> method?
>> >>
>> >> Larry
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net>
>> >> To:
>> >> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 12:09 AM
>> >>
>> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut fittings
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> A bunyip will only be useful for setting dihedral if your shop/hangar
>> >>> floor is dead-flat and level. If the floor has even a slight pitch or
>> >>> slant
>> >>> to it, you could end up with some weird rigging issues. Your fuselage
>> >>> could
>> >>> be sitting at the same angle as the floor, but your wingtips will be
>> >>> level
>> >>> with each other. The stretched string is probably better suited for
>> >>> this
>> >>> job.
>> >>>
>> >>> --------
>> >>> Billy McCaskill
>> >>> Baker, LA
>> >>> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Read this topic online here:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381312#381312
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >
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>> >
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Back to the string method, if I understand the question correctly (Jack-?), how
to use a string to set the dihedral. What I did was to stretch a string from
wingtip to wingtip more or less over the front spar, then measure the gap at
the centersection (see sketch). If I remember correctly, the gap is about 3".
If you stand back and look at it, with the airplane set level (tail up), you
can tell if the wings are cranked up unevenly. Then if you move the string back
to where it's over the aft spar, you can do the same thing for the aft struts.
It worked when I rerigged Scout after pulling off the wings, but then again nothing
was moved very much from when it was originally rigged, so there wasn't a
lot of adjustment to be made.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
So is it mandatory that the pilot be color matched with his plane?
"Here we see pilot and builder Gary Boothe posing in a wonderful Olive shirt sleeve
next to his latest masterpiece, the Olive Poplar Piet..."
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| Subject: | Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
In a word, "Yes." But, then, you know how fashion conscious we are in Cali.
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So is it mandatory that the pilot be color matched with his plane?
"Here we see pilot and builder Gary Boothe posing in a wonderful Olive shirt sleeve
next to his latest masterpiece, the Olive Poplar Piet..."
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| Subject: | Re: Control sticks in position... |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Hello Mark,
The pedals are "homebuilder" pedals (single place version) from Aircraft Spruce:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/rudderpedalkit.php
The brake cylinders are from MATCO (2361 South 1560 West, Woods Cross, UT 84087
(801) 335-0582)
http://www.matcomfg.com/contact.html
...and were specialy made slightly shorter than the stock version. (I placed an
order with them on a weekday morning and the cylinders were on my doorstep THE
NEXT DAY...!)
I am VERY happy with how they are fitting/integrating into my plane but have NOT
finished building it so "imitator" beware... :=)
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Control sticks in position... |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
PERFECT!! Many thanks for the info. I think I might be getting closer to what I
will be duplicating... :D
Again, thanks for all the info!
Mark
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rigging references. |
Tools, your explanation on the string method is about as clear as mud to my
simple mind. I am using the LAR method now and when I stand in front of the
plane inthe hangar it looks good with about 1.5 degree dihedral which was what
I
had before the tornado at sun n fun. I will try and figure out your system.
Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: tools <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, August 20, 2012 10:52:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rigging references.
I do a lot of machine tool rebuilding which is completely analogous to rigging
a
wing. I've noticed a couple of things which weren't completely explained.
First, using a string to establish dihedral, or make sure there isn't any. It's
alright to stretch a string between the wingtips and make sure it's 1 1/2" above
the center section to establish dihedral, but you ALSO have to make sure that
string is level, to make sure EACH SIDE has the same dihedral.
Making sure a string is level isn't an easy thing with a level. Even a 4' level
isn't that long compared to 29', and holding it is another matter. Lastly, the
quality of the typical 4' level isn't that great. Small errors transposed over
29' quickly add up. The laser level or water level will work better. Easily as
accurate, is to forget about level, and only worry about relative dimensions.
Stretch a string near the floor under the front spar and get it as close to
level as you can by eye for convenience. Put another under the middle of the
fuse, front to back, perpendicular to the first. Make sure it's perpendicular
by using a 3x4x5 pythagorean triplet. That is measure along one line 3', the
other 4' and make sure those two poings (which form the hypotenuse of a right
triangle) are exactly 5' apart (diagonally). If they are, you have a REALLY
accurate right angle. Adjust one string as necessary to make that happen.
Prop up the plane's tail to get the top longeron of the fuse parallel to the
front to back string. If your fuse isn't covered, set a straight board across,
hang a string down in the middle of it and make sure the middle is lined up and
the distance from that board to the string is the same, all along the centerline
of the fuse.
Now make sure your fuselage is perpendicular to spar string in the x axis the
same way as described as making sure the wing is perpendicular to the fuse as
looked at from above.
Now make sure the fuse is perpendicular to the spar string in the y axis. Clamp
a nice straight board to the side of the fuse down to the string. Make sure it
makes a right angle. Measure up along that board 4', measure out along the
string 3' and then make sure the hypotenuse is 5'.
Now just measure up from the spar string to points on the wing, using a plumb
bob, to establish dihedral and make sure the wing is on straight (or the front
spar is).
Now, put another string parallel to the front spar string, under the rear spar.
Make sure it's parallel by just getting on the ground in front and make sure it
lines up. If it lines up really close over 30', it'll be CLOSE. Getting the
two spar strings to intersect the centerline string is where you need to be the
most finicky as you only have a few feet between them. Nice small string, with
a fair amount of tension and be very finicky about them JUST touching.
Now you measure up from the rear string to the spar just as the front. If you
have no washout, the dimensions will be the same. Or you can use direct
measurements to establish washout.
Using this method will eliminate any error in reading level and error in your
hangar's floor.
I'm sure this might not be enough detail for some folks, but is detailed enough
spawn questions.
Lastly, I've become pretty good friends with the guy at the EAA's museum who
placed EVERY airplane in there. He's traveled ALL OVER the nation to get those
planes, taking them apart, hauling them back and putting them back together.
His stories of just how INACCURATE the rigging is on so many of those airplanes
is surprising. The point being, especially in the genre of a Piet, there's a
lot of forgiveness. However, if you're like me, it's just tough to sleep at
night worring about these things. Establishing a REALLY accurate datum should
help a lot.
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| Subject: | Re: Rigging references. |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Ya, kinda figured that might be the case. First, it isn't THE string method, but
merely A string method.
Generally, THE string method involves stretching a string along the spar of the
wing to get a straight reference.
Doing that on the top will get the correct total dihedral, but doesn't necessarily
make sure it's even on both sides. Doing it on the bottom, which requires
standing the string off the spar at the ends, and raising the panel until the
string touches at the cabane strut, will keep it even on both sides.
The method I TRY to describe really just involves making simple datum plane below
the plane, close to the ground.
Use a string where you need references, the centerline of the plane, and both spars.
You could put a fourth under the horiz stab. It's like a line drawing
of the plane you might say. Then you just measure down to the datum plane you
just established. Measuring from the plane, straight down is easy with a simple
plumb bob.
Just like laying the grid pattern for a tile floor, getting the initial two lines
actually perpendicular isn't a simple matter of using a framing square if you
want it accurate. Using a 3,4,5 triangle (or multiple like 6,8,10) works really
well and is easy.
You then make sure the fuse is accurately aligned to the centerline string in pitch,
roll and yaw you might say. It's kind of an iterative process. Align one
axis, check another, recheck the first, check the third, recheck the first
two... etc.
Once that is done, it all starts to make sense.
Using a laser level makes it all A LOT easier, but using a bubble level really
gives lots of chances for error that can be eliminated by forgetting level altogether,
and making sure you have an accurate reference.
Using a water level is actually pretty cool and works GREAT for dihedral and such,
but you still need to use "reference" sort of measurements for other aspects
of rigging, like getting the wing perpendicular to the centerline of the plane
and such.
I doubt many will go to such extreme, but an understanding of how it works, will
give a lot more confidence in other methods used as well.
More mud?
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| Subject: | 4130 vs 1025 steel (or 1010) |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
I dropped of a sheet of 4130 x .032 to a friend of mine who owns a steel fabrication
shop, and he asked if I could use another kind of steel than 4130. He asked
because he said he had plentiful amounts of 1010 sheet steel in varying quantities,
and he said if I wanted to compensate for the strength differences,
he thought I could cut the rest out of stock he has on hand if I wanted.
As metal is my weakness here (in experience level), I am wondering what you folks
think about this, outside of my knee-jerk reaction to say "No" just because
it's not sold at ACS or Wicks...
My bird will have extra wing area, and yet weight is still important, but what
other points might I need to consider if I looked at using another steel aside
from 4130? Didn't the 1930's Piets use 1025 or something?
Thanks for your perspectives. I searched the archives before posting to see if
this had been asked and didn't see anything, but I might have missed it.
Mark
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| From: | "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> |
Actually - I am on the list Dick - just sinking in massive hours trying to finish
my other plane(Sonex/Waiex). Am sending in the paperwork to the FAA this week
to schedule my inspection.
Am seriously looking forward to Blakesburg as well!! Will be flying down either
Wednesday after work or Thursday morning and staying through till Sunday. Weather
permitting, of course. Otherwise will be driving. They always park my GN-1
down the hill by the airfields' Piet. For those of you camping there - be
sure to bring metal spikes and a hammer to get your tent secured as well as your
plane if you fly it in. It's been so dry that you may need a sledge.
I think we need to have a serious group meeting at the Pilot's Pub and discuss
the quality of the pictures... First round is on me. Friday night???
Rest of my time will be spent with "hound dog eyes" trying to get a ride in a Waco
or a Monocoupe - (if any happen to show up)
Dick - hope you get your radial piet there - we need somebody there with star power
like yourself...
Cheers - hope to see some of you there!
Lorin Miller
GN-1 N30PP
Waiex N81YX
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| Subject: | Re: bunyips, bubbles and gravity.... Re: Aluminum Strut fitting |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
That looks like a good tool to make for various projects... Thanks for posting
that.
I searched google for bunyips and just saw mythical creatures, nothing like a useful
tool idea. Good post Jim!
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| Subject: | Re: Rigging references. |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
I for one appreciate the method you described, even if it took a bit to re-read
and visualize the methodology. I have a ways to go before I can try it, but thanks
to Matt, we have good archives!
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: 4130 vs 1025 steel (or 1010) |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Just about all of the airplanes up until the 30s used 1025 steel. Everything was
overbuilt then as well. The Piet plans assume 1025 as well. 1025 is not quite
as strong, but is also not as "brittle" and is easier to work and weld. I don't
know what 1010 is, I could look it up, but I'm sure someone on here could
chime in on that. I would not be afraid of 1025 or something similar.
On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:51 PM, "Mark Roberts" wrote:
>
> I dropped of a sheet of 4130 x .032 to a friend of mine who owns a steel fabrication
shop, and he asked if I could use another kind of steel than 4130. He
asked because he said he had plentiful amounts of 1010 sheet steel in varying
quantities, and he said if I wanted to compensate for the strength differences,
he thought I could cut the rest out of stock he has on hand if I wanted.
>
> As metal is my weakness here (in experience level), I am wondering what you folks
think about this, outside of my knee-jerk reaction to say "No" just because
it's not sold at ACS or Wicks...
>
> My bird will have extra wing area, and yet weight is still important, but what
other points might I need to consider if I looked at using another steel aside
from 4130? Didn't the 1930's Piets use 1025 or something?
>
> Thanks for your perspectives. I searched the archives before posting to see if
this had been asked and didn't see anything, but I might have missed it.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
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>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381435#381435
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Nice to see the FORD power..... (ok, it's just the pickup truck - ha!)...... The
olive Piet looks fantastic..!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | 4130 vs 1025 steel (or 1010) |
In steel, the AISI number is used to designate the alloying elements. The
first two digits indicate the principal elements in addition to
iron.Anything that starts with 10 is plain carbon steel, with no other
alloying elements. 41 indicates chromium and molybdenum. The last two
digits represent the percent of carbon in the steel. 1010 is plain carbon
steel with 0.10% carbon. 1025 has 0.25% carbon. The more carbon, the
higher the strength but the lower the formability and ductility. Thus,
files and knives are made of 1095 steel - very hard and strong (and holds a
good edge as a knife) but very brittle. Here is part of a table showing the
properties:
Typical Mechanical Properties of Common Carbon, Alloy, and Stainless Steels
Brinell
Yield Tensile Elongation
hardness
AISI no. Form strength, psi strength, psi in 2 in, % (BH)
1010 HR 30,000 47,000 30 91
1015 HR 45,000 61,000 39 126
1018 HR 40,000 69,000 38 143
1018 CD 70,000 82,000 20 163
1020 HR 40,000 69,000 38 143
1025 HR 45,000 67,000 36 143
4130 N 63,000 97,000 25 197
What these numbers mean is the following:
Form is simply the way the steel is made and sold. HR means Hot Rolled. CD
means Cold Drawn (work hardened). N means Normalized (heated red hot then
slowly cooled).
Yield strength is the stress level at which permanent deformation (permanent
bending or stretching) will occur. Below that level if the stress is
removed the part will return to its original shape This is the stress you
want to stay below in order to not "bend" your airplane
Tensile strength is the stress level at which the steel will break (also
called ultimate strength). Way beyond bending, you've now broken it.
Elongation is how much the steel will stretch when stressed (using a 2"
length, how much longer will it get before breaking)
Brinell Hardness is simply a measure of how hard the steel is.
Looking at the table, 1010 has a yield strength of only 30,000 psi (less
than 2024-T3 aluminum). 1025 has a yield strength of 45,000 psi (2024-T3 is
42,000), and 1018 has a yield strength of 70,000. 4130 has a yield strength
of 63,000 but an ultimate strength of 97,000 ( and it is heat treatable to
much higher levels - yield strength of 220,000 psi is possible with heat
treating followed by a water quench)
I think I'd stay away from 1010. 4130 gives a very good range of properties
and is readily weldable (and available at Aircraft Spruce or Wicks). 1025
or 1018 are reasonable substitutes.
Clear as mud?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 4130 vs 1025 steel (or 1010)
Just about all of the airplanes up until the 30s used 1025 steel. Everything
was overbuilt then as well. The Piet plans assume 1025 as well. 1025 is not
quite as strong, but is also not as "brittle" and is easier to work and
weld. I don't know what 1010 is, I could look it up, but I'm sure someone on
here could chime in on that. I would not be afraid of 1025 or something
similar.
On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:51 PM, "Mark Roberts" wrote:
>
> I dropped of a sheet of 4130 x .032 to a friend of mine who owns a steel
fabrication shop, and he asked if I could use another kind of steel than
4130. He asked because he said he had plentiful amounts of 1010 sheet steel
in varying quantities, and he said if I wanted to compensate for the
strength differences, he thought I could cut the rest out of stock he has on
hand if I wanted.
>
> As metal is my weakness here (in experience level), I am wondering what
you folks think about this, outside of my knee-jerk reaction to say "No"
just because it's not sold at ACS or Wicks...
>
> My bird will have extra wing area, and yet weight is still important, but
what other points might I need to consider if I looked at using another
steel aside from 4130? Didn't the 1930's Piets use 1025 or something?
>
> Thanks for your perspectives. I searched the archives before posting to
see if this had been asked and didn't see anything, but I might have missed
it.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381435#381435
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| Subject: | Re: 4130 vs 1025 steel (or 1010) |
Jack
Many thanks for a fine explanation! Brilliant.....The mud is clear.
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: 4130 vs 1025 steel (or 1010) |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Wow Jack! Thanks for taking the time to write that great explanation. Sometimes,
you can't find specific info like that without asking a question that you can't
find the answer to in books, and that sure helped me figure out what to do.
I think I will just stay the course with 4130 and order as planned. He was asking
me the question out of a desire to help me save money, and make it more convenient
if I could use stuff he already had on hand.
Again, thank you! Good reference material for the future as well...
Mark
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| From: | "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 4130 vs 1025 steel (or 1010) |
Jack,
Having completed my control system, wing attach brackets and cabane brackets from
4130 it is emails like yours that allow me to take comfort in my choice of
metals regardless of a small additional expense. The technical engineer types
on this list are what keep us simpler minded builders in check, in safety and
comfortable with our choices.
Thanks for the great, informative response.
Scott Knowlton
Ribs, Tailgroup, Centresection and fittings done in Burlington, ON
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:54:16
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 4130 vs 1025 steel (or 1010)
In steel, the AISI number is used to designate the alloying elements. The
first two digits indicate the principal elements in addition to
iron.Anything that starts with 10 is plain carbon steel, with no other
alloying elements. 41 indicates chromium and molybdenum. The last two
digits represent the percent of carbon in the steel. 1010 is plain carbon
steel with 0.10% carbon. 1025 has 0.25% carbon. The more carbon, the
higher the strength but the lower the formability and ductility. Thus,
files and knives are made of 1095 steel - very hard and strong (and holds a
good edge as a knife) but very brittle. Here is part of a table showing the
properties:
Typical Mechanical Properties of Common Carbon, Alloy, and Stainless Steels
Brinell
Yield Tensile Elongation
hardness
AISI no. Form strength, psi strength, psi in 2 in, % (BH)
1010 HR 30,000 47,000 30 91
1015 HR 45,000 61,000 39 126
1018 HR 40,000 69,000 38 143
1018 CD 70,000 82,000 20 163
1020 HR 40,000 69,000 38 143
1025 HR 45,000 67,000 36 143
4130 N 63,000 97,000 25 197
What these numbers mean is the following:
Form is simply the way the steel is made and sold. HR means Hot Rolled. CD
means Cold Drawn (work hardened). N means Normalized (heated red hot then
slowly cooled).
Yield strength is the stress level at which permanent deformation (permanent
bending or stretching) will occur. Below that level if the stress is
removed the part will return to its original shape This is the stress you
want to stay below in order to not "bend" your airplane
Tensile strength is the stress level at which the steel will break (also
called ultimate strength). Way beyond bending, you've now broken it.
Elongation is how much the steel will stretch when stressed (using a 2"
length, how much longer will it get before breaking)
Brinell Hardness is simply a measure of how hard the steel is.
Looking at the table, 1010 has a yield strength of only 30,000 psi (less
than 2024-T3 aluminum). 1025 has a yield strength of 45,000 psi (2024-T3 is
42,000), and 1018 has a yield strength of 70,000. 4130 has a yield strength
of 63,000 but an ultimate strength of 97,000 ( and it is heat treatable to
much higher levels - yield strength of 220,000 psi is possible with heat
treating followed by a water quench)
I think I'd stay away from 1010. 4130 gives a very good range of properties
and is readily weldable (and available at Aircraft Spruce or Wicks). 1025
or 1018 are reasonable substitutes.
Clear as mud?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 4130 vs 1025 steel (or 1010)
Just about all of the airplanes up until the 30s used 1025 steel. Everything
was overbuilt then as well. The Piet plans assume 1025 as well. 1025 is not
quite as strong, but is also not as "brittle" and is easier to work and
weld. I don't know what 1010 is, I could look it up, but I'm sure someone on
here could chime in on that. I would not be afraid of 1025 or something
similar.
On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:51 PM, "Mark Roberts" wrote:
>
> I dropped of a sheet of 4130 x .032 to a friend of mine who owns a steel
fabrication shop, and he asked if I could use another kind of steel than
4130. He asked because he said he had plentiful amounts of 1010 sheet steel
in varying quantities, and he said if I wanted to compensate for the
strength differences, he thought I could cut the rest out of stock he has on
hand if I wanted.
>
> As metal is my weakness here (in experience level), I am wondering what
you folks think about this, outside of my knee-jerk reaction to say "No"
just because it's not sold at ACS or Wicks...
>
> My bird will have extra wing area, and yet weight is still important, but
what other points might I need to consider if I looked at using another
steel aside from 4130? Didn't the 1930's Piets use 1025 or something?
>
> Thanks for your perspectives. I searched the archives before posting to
see if this had been asked and didn't see anything, but I might have missed
it.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381435#381435
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| Subject: | Re: bunyips, bubbles and gravity.... |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
The image of having a pint or two with friends made on this list is what makes
this list so much fun to read. In a way, the list serves as the watering trough
many of us would frequent to sit and discuss the vital intricacies of the piet
design, without the bad breath.
Thanks Oscar for the "picture". I bet the bartender that night thought you'd already
had a few before getting there when you brought in that aluminum rib...
I mean, everyone knows, including the bartender, that a 1932's design used Sitka
spruce and milk protein glues, not high tech aluminum! [Shocked]
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| Subject: | Re: 4130 vs 1025 steel (or 1010) |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Another good source of information on metal, plastic or any other raw mater
ial is McMaster Carr. They usually have charts outlining strength and prope
rties of the materials they sell.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerry Holland <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:55 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 4130 vs 1025 steel (or 1010)
m.co.uk>
Jack
Many thanks for a fine explanation! Brilliant.....The mud is clear.
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: 4130 vs 1025 steel (or 1010) |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Dan.... In fact, that is one tab on my browser that says open right next
to ACS...
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| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Anyone have a tach that will work on an A75 they want to sell.
Please contact me offline.
Thanks,
--
Greg Bacon
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| Subject: | Re: Piper Parts Fore Sale |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
What do you want for:
Need-2: J-3 Horizontal Stabs.
Need-1: J-3 12 GAL Fuel Tank.
Would what to see detailed pictures before purchasing if price is right.
Also, what is meant by: serv.?
Please PM me.
Thanks,
WF2
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| From: | John Egan <1smilingmoon(at)gmail.com> |
Piet Builders,
Along the same lines as Greg's question. Does anyone have a suitable
tach for an A65? Please contact me offline. If no used tachs are
found, does anyone know the correct part number for an A65 tach from
the typical suppliers (Aircraft Spruce, Wicks...)?
My progress report - Have Aircamper project on gear, uncovered. Just
varnished the wings and tail pieces last weekend and made a set of
engine cooling eyebrows. Have the engine hanging, and need to focus
on controls and instruments. Like a tach and tach cable. I also
appreciate the recent progress reports from folks and enjoy seeing the
completions.
thank you,
John Egan
Greenville, WI
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| Subject: | Re: Piper Parts Fore Sale |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Just a guess, but I would think that 'serv.' stands for 'serviceable', as in not-new,
but not damaged. I could be wrong though...
--------
Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
I went to a lot of trouble finding a used counter clockwise tach but ended up using
a 90 degree adapter (at tach end of cable) from ASS that can reverse the
direction so the more common clockwise tach (like from a C152) would work. Of
course most used tachs may have the wrong redline.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:43 PM, John Egan <1smilingmoon(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Piet Builders,
>
> Along the same lines as Greg's question. Does anyone have a suitable
> tach for an A65? Please contact me offline. If no used tachs are
> found, does anyone know the correct part number for an A65 tach from
> the typical suppliers (Aircraft Spruce, Wicks...)?
>
> My progress report - Have Aircamper project on gear, uncovered. Just
> varnished the wings and tail pieces last weekend and made a set of
> engine cooling eyebrows. Have the engine hanging, and need to focus
> on controls and instruments. Like a tach and tach cable. I also
> appreciate the recent progress reports from folks and enjoy seeing the
> completions.
>
> thank you,
> John Egan
> Greenville, WI
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Bending the aileron stick horn... |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hi all:
I picked up 2 sets of aileron ent stick control horns today from the laser
cutter. It's made from .032 4130 steel. I want to bend them so that they
are concave per the plans and weld the edges together. What's the best way
to gently bend plates feel like this so that they have to concave house?
The Tony B. books are coming this week, but I am curious if you guys have
ideas to bend them gently so that they will be rigid.
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Bending the aileron stick horn... |
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
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| Subject: | Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... |
| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
I bent the leading edges around a 3/8 inch round that I welded along the edge of
a 10 inch length of 3/4 inch angle iron. I held the angle iron in a bench vise
along with the horn. That's really all there is to it. You can add some
geometry by using a shot bag and a rounded plastic hammer, but not everyone thinks
that is necessary. The fun part comes when you want to weld them together.
That is pure pleasure. They look much better when you make them a second
time.
Dan
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: 4130 vs 1025 steel (or 1010) |
I knew I had this somewhere. four layers down,
in my favourites files;
http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=4130%20steel
Everything else you could possibly want to know
about is on this site somewhere also.
Except maybe what Jim and Oscar had for
dinner that fatefull night.
Or what their Significant Others had to say when
they reached their respective homes!
Clif
Bees and wimmin, blow a little smoke and both
settle right down. :-)
> Another good source of information on metal, plastic or any other raw
> mater
> ial is McMaster Carr. They usually have charts outlining strength and
> prope
> rties of the materials they sell.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks fellers... I see my SMART phone changed some words around in my original
post and made some of the message more difficult to understand than my normal
rumblings ... Posted it at dinner whilst waiting to order.
Thanks for the tips... I'm off to mykitplanes.com to have a look. And the idea
of a mandrel welded onto an angle iron sounds promising too. Looking forward to
pics Jim,
And yer traveling AGAIN? No wonder you want a Piet...so you can travel MORE! Good
grief!
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Tailwheel ground school review |
Gentlemen, While I have been spending a lot of time flying in my buddies' Aeronca
Champ (with him on board), I have never been signed off as a tail wheel pilot.
This came to light and As soon as practicable I will get a tail wheel check ride.
Hopefully Friday or Saturday.
Today, I spent an hour doing ground school with Vern Foster and Lonnie Gillespie,
Two of the best old school pilots in this area.
Vern is 95 and is still a CFI. He started flying in 1939 and had a long aviation
career. He was key in developing the Colorado Pilot's Association's Mountain
flying course.
Lonnie started flying in 1948 and has built two homebuilts, (a Pitts and a casutt)
and restored several beech Bonanzas and one aeronca Champ, plus many other
things. He flies his 1947 Champ every weekday that the winds and weather allow.
He flew a buddies' Piet for several years before it was sold.
The Basic gist of the ground school was:
During preflight look at the tailwheel springs. Make sure they are preloaded with
no slack.
Vern asked what was hardest about learning to fly a taildragger. I told him the
transition from wheels on the ground to slowing down to a walking pace. Flying
for fun, we did many touch and goes and I did not like the loss of rudder effectiveness
when slowing down. He said that was the zone where most tailwheel
accidents happen, from 25 down to 4 MPH.
His point, you can't stop a ground loop with brakes, Only with rudder, therefore
use a burst of power (about mag check RPM). Many groundloops happen because
someone tried to stop it with brakes, making it worse.
If there is an emergency, don't hesitate to land downwind if needed. (Vern insisted
that Lonnie work me over hard on downwind landings.)
If an airplane is in trim and you find yourself fighting the trim, ask yourself
why. (Vern maintains that a plane in proper trim wants to fly correctly most
of the time.)
If you find yourself in slowflight upon landing and you start to drift toward the
weeds, hold the plane in softfield takeoff attitude and shove the power to
it. It will climb out of trouble, if possible.
During a wheel landing, upon contact with the runway, "pin" the plane with slight
forward stick until you can "pin" the tailwheel down without ballooning the
plane. but beware pushing the prop into the ground, or ballooning.
We discussed control placement during taxiing. "landing on a runway with a 15 knot
wind down the runway is easy. But getting it to the hanger can get sporting."
During the checkout I need to be ready to do a landing exercise that involves:
upon getting the wheels rolling during a wheel landing, I will throttle up and
slowly put on the brakes. The idea is to be able to control the plane during
a high wind landing.
They reiterated "Brakes dont control direction, Rudder does!"
Finally: If you have any prolonged time with no tail wheel time, Get time with
an Instructor! It will come back quickly but it is a perishable skill until you
have several hundred tail wheel hours.
After the lesson, Vern said in 1940 his instructor corrected him, "You are a tail
wheel pilot, I am a tail dragger pilot, I learned with a tail skid!"
All in all it was one of the best hours I have ever spent outside an airplane.
(well talking about aviation anyway.) I am quite eager to go fly!
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel ground school review |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
"landing on a runway with a 15 knot wind down the runway is easy. But getting it
to the hanger can get sporting."
Steve, I can't tell you how many times I took off at San Geronimo, flew over to
Castroville for fuel, and found that there was a very brisk and gusty crosswind
blowing over there. Nice wide and paved runway, but crosswind technique was
called for and I was always able to nail the landing but once on the runway,
I was uneasy with that constant gusty push on the rudder and empennage shoving
me around on the ground and more than a time or two, I would put on some power
and lift the tail so I could control the airplane on the mains in wheel landing
configuration with better control. (Note to you guys who don't know what
the heck we're talking about: it's a LONG way from the numbers on landing at
Castroville to the first turnoff if you're in a Piet and you land at 40 MPH with
15 MPH on the nose!).
The bottom line is, practice-practice-practice, and once you think you know the
airplane in a x-wind, just remember that these airplanes are better teachers
than they are students, and they LOVE to instruct when there is a crosswind!
Oh, but then you can also remember that about 3/4 of the other pilots out there
don't fly tailwheel airplanes and don't know what rudder pedals are for, so you
are the only "real" pilot out there that day ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | George Abernathy <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... |
Hello there Mark,=0A=0AEnglish wheel is the way to go on that one. =0A=0A
=0ASee my 2 part video =0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB9E43TuaF
M =0A=0A=0Aand =0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmKlrJ6CNeg=0A=0AT
he wheel is not hard to make. Basically you need a C shaped frame with a fl
at bearing on top and a curved one pushed up underneath it. =0A=0A=0ASome s
ort of screw thingey to push the two together.-=0A=0Asee this ebay link
=0A=0Ahttp://www.ebay.com/itm/1x3-English-Wheel-Anvil-Set-by-Hoosier-Profil
es-/320968201275?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4abb32143b=0A=0AOr you
can put "english wheel" in the search window and come up with some more kin
ky stuff and books and such.=0A101 pages worth.- 75 listings under indust
rial. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Mark Robe
rts =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:30 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List:
Bending the aileron stick horn...=0A =0A=0AHi all:=0AI picked up 2 sets of
aileron ent stick control horns today from the laser cutter. It's made fro
m .032 4130 steel. I want to bend them so that they are concave per the pla
ns and weld the edges together. What's the best way to gently bend plates f
eel like this so that they have to concave house? The Tony B. books are com
ing this week, but I am curious if you guys have ideas to bend them gently
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| Subject: | Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hey aussiegeorge!
That was VERY helpful! Thanks very much for that post. Just watched the videos
and I feel as though I have an idea of what I need to do, including the welding
jig thingie (for lack of it's proper name... Where'd you get that jig anyway?)
Thanks again!
Mark
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381580#381580
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| From: | George Abernathy <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... |
Hi Mark,=0A=0AThe jig is made up of a swap meet tent plate for a base and a
couple of ford shifter arms for a three on a tree that =0A=0Athe metal sup
plier screwed up. They supplied the wrong grade of metal. Shifter arms need
to be high tensile stuff. =0A=0AThe part where the horn is mounted is anot
her swap meet tent plate with a couple of machine screws stuck through it.
=0A=0A=0AIt is basically just some pipes and plates. I have a walk policy.
If I walk past something that will work I figure that I wasted time. Some o
f my stuff tends to be a little organic. =0A=0A=0AIf you google english whe
els and home made they say to use a car steering column for the slidey part
that pushes up the bottom roller. I found a piece of bar stock and some sq
uare tubing. They weren't quite the right size to slide so I made the bar s
tock bigger by welding some beads on it and ground it back with my nine inc
h grinder. =0A=0A=0AOne thing I like about OZ is that you get some real pow
er out of the wall outlet. The grinder is about three horsepower and before
I got used to the power it left my hands and launched . Now I know to hang
onto the thing. And never let it bind because parts are gonna fly.-=0A
=0AI then bashed to fit and painted to cover. =0A=0A=0A=0A_________________
_______________=0A From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenp
ol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 4:29 PM=0ASubject:
Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn...=0A =0A--> Pietenpol-
List message posted by: "Mark Roberts" =0A=0AHey aus
siegeorge!=0A=0AThat was VERY helpful! Thanks very much for that post. Just
watched the videos and I feel as though I have an idea of what I need to d
o, including the welding jig thingie (for lack of it's proper name... Where
'd you get that jig anyway?)=0A=0AThanks again!=0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARea
d this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Bending the aileron stick horn... |
I just used a vise, a lengthof =BD=94 steel rod as a form, and a hammer.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George
Abernathy
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Hello there Mark,
English wheel is the way to go on that one.
See my 2 part video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB9E43TuaFM
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmKlrJ6CNeg
The wheel is not hard to make. Basically you need a C shaped frame with
a
flat bearing on top and a curved one pushed up underneath it.
Some sort of screw thingey to push the two together.
see this ebay link
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1x3-English-Wheel-Anvil-Set-by-Hoosier-Profiles-/
320
968201275?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4abb32143b
Or you can put "english wheel" in the search window and come up with
some
more kinky stuff and books and such.
101 pages worth. 75 listings under industrial.
_____
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Hi all:
I picked up 2 sets of aileron ent stick control horns today from the
laser
cutter. It's made from .032 4130 steel. I want to bend them so that they
are
concave per the plans and weld the edges together. What's the best way
to
gently bend plates feel like this so that they have to concave house?
The
Tony B. books are coming this week, but I am curious if you guys have
ideas
to bend them gently so that they will be rigid.
Thanks!
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Bending the aileron stick horn... |
Mark I started out using a bead roller seen here
http://textors.com/temp_035.jpg . I preferred just forming around a 3/8
piece of rod, holding it in my wood vise. Dan is right the second set looks
better seen here http://textors.com/Tahoe_002.jpg
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 8:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Hi all:
I picked up 2 sets of aileron ent stick control horns today from the laser
cutter. It's made from .032 4130 steel. I want to bend them so that they are
concave per the plans and weld the edges together. What's the best way to
gently bend plates feel like this so that they have to concave house? The
Tony B. books are coming this week, but I am curious if you guys have ideas
to bend them gently so that they will be rigid.
Thanks!
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A65 /A75Tach |
I do not have my tach. in hand at the moment, but I can get you the part number,
(ACS), if you like. I am also using the 90 deg. adapter from ACS, so the rotation
can be switched AND it makes running the tach cable easier in the small
instrument compartment. (My opinion.)
Let me know.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... |
I decided to bend mine as pictured. (attached)- Very easy to bend, easy t
o weld.- The bend adds rigidity. Slightly better aerodynamically than a f
lat piece.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | steve(at)wotelectronics.com |
| Subject: | Re: A65 /A75Tach |
For my A-75 I use a Westach tachometer that just monitors the mag
wires for RPM. This eliminates the need for a cable to the engine.
Better accuracy and less maintenance. No bouncing, no lubing of cables,
etc.
I believe this is the model I use, check their documentation to
make sure this is the correct model:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/tachometer3at32.php [1]
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
On 2012-08-23 08:40, Michael Perez wrote:
>
I do not have my tach. in hand at the moment, but I can get you the part
number, (ACS), if you like. I am also using the 90 deg. adapter from
ACS, so the rotation can be switched AND it makes running the tach cable
easier in the small instrument compartment. (My opinion.)
>
> Let me
know.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
>
www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
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| Subject: | A Word of Thanks and Warning |
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
First off thanks to Earl Brown (echobravo4) for releasing a reserved registration!
Then, a warning to the group about reserving numbers with the FAA. When I first
reserved my number I paid by check and wrote in the Memo filed what number it
was for so once the check had cleared I could provide proof I had reserved that
number. As time went by, I utilized the web-based payment which gave me an
entry on my credit card statement that I had paid the FAA $10, but no explanation
what that money was for.
As I worked towards certification and just before calling for inspection I was
double checking everything when to my horror, I discovered someone else had reserved
the same number I had. I dont understand how it happened, but going through
convincing myself that I had kept up the payments I realized that I couldnt
prove that was what the money was intended for. So be forewarned. You might
want a paper trail to show your intentions.
And a big THANKS to Earl for releasing the number so I could re-reserve it. Imagine
redoing all your paperwork, replacing data and ID plates and all the time
and effort to convince the powers to be that all is correct. Whew. I can sleep
again tonight and not worried that Newt will ground me.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381603#381603
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| Subject: | Re: A65 /A75Tach |
| From: | Gmail <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the info Steve. Does it have a clamp, like a timing light?
Greg Bacon
Garratt Callahan
gbacon@g-c.com
(573)489-4795
On Aug 23, 2012, at 9:34 AM, steve(at)wotelectronics.com wrote:
> For my A-75 I use a Westach tachometer that just monitors the mag wires fo
r RPM. This eliminates the need for a cable to the engine. Better accuracy
and less maintenance. No bouncing, no lubing of cables, etc.
>
> I believe this is the model I use, check their documentation to make sure t
his is the correct model:
>
>
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> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/tachometer3at32.php
>
>
>
> Steve Ruse
> Norman, OK
>
> On 2012-08-23 08:40, Michael Perez wrote:
>
>> I do not have my tach. in hand at the moment, but I can get you the part n
umber, (ACS), if you like. I am also using the 90 deg. adapter from ACS, so t
he rotation can be switched AND it makes running the tach cable easier in th
e small instrument compartment. (My opinion.)
>>
>> Let me know.
>>
>> Michael Perez
>> Pietenpol HINT Videos
>> Karetaker Aero
>> www.karetakeraero.com
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List-> http://forums.matroni
cs.com
>
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| Subject: | Brodhead Report - Late |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
My life has now been conveniently divided into pre- & post-crash segments. Here
are a few thoughts on the 4 days prior to the mayhem.
The trip up was blessedly uneventful. Gave a bunch of rides on Thursday and Friday.
Didn't give rides on Saturday 'cause we popped a spoke (see below). I
am delighted for Dan Helsper that he gave more rides than I did this year. Hated
missing Saturday, but so be it.
John Hoffman, Dan Yocum, and Randy Bush were kind enough to let me fly their Piets.
They all flew in a very similar manner and there was no problem transitioning
between them. I noticed that the short fuselage was a little small for
me, but I did fit. The two continental powered aircraft were rock steady and
climbed in a stately manner. John's to-the-plans airplane is a credit to the
design. The climb rates of the two corvair powered aircraft were significantly
higher, as you'd expect with the extra power. All the aircraft flew well, but
Randy's was an exceptional pleasure to fly. Not sure what he did, but I'll
find out and emulate it on our next plane.
All three aircraft had the smaller wheels and were simple to land. I spoke to
Jack Phillips about the difference in wheel size and landing/ground handling.
He and I now have 8-9 Piets between us and about 700 hours. Our distinctly non-scientific
sense is that the smaller wheeled aircraft seem easier to land.
The big wheeled aircraft are fine, but you have to pay a little more attention.
(Remember, I said non-scientific and not all-inclusive. Your experience may
be different. FWIW.)
The social events were outstanding. Jack & Susan's Brat Feed, combined with the
Racine gilatto, was a blast. Spaghetti night was fun as well. As always, we
need to thank Doc, Dee & the other volunteers for their work. Shelley won one
of the Douwe sculptures from the silent auction. It sits prominently in our
living room now.
We had a blast! Looking forward to next year. I'm hoping some of the kind pilots
will give me rides:).
(The spokes: we busted several spokes a couple of years ago. I replaced them with
Buchanan spokes and loosened them significantly. That solved the issue for
several hundred landings. I took a big guy for a ride this year and that may
have caused the problem. No more of that. Regardless, we've talked about it
extensively and we think the problem may have been with the big honkin' brake
disks. The spokes always broke on the brake disk side. The brakes were not
as powerful as they looked, but they may have been more powerful than I realized.)
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381609#381609
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A65 /A75Tach |
I really like this idea better. Fortunately, it is not too late for me to s
witch!- If i do, my brand new mechanical tach. and 90 deg. adapter will b
e for sale!
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
--- On Thu, 8/23/12, steve(at)wotelectronics.com wr
ote:
From: steve(at)wotelectronics.com <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 10:34 AM
=0A=0AFor my A-75 I use a Westach tachometer that just monitors the mag wir
es for RPM. -This eliminates the need for a cable to the engine. -Bette
r accuracy and less maintenance. -No bouncing, no lubing of cables, etc.
=0AI believe this is the model I use, check their-documentation-to make
sure this is the correct model:=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A-=0Ahttp://www.aircr
aftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/tachometer3at32.php=0A-=0ASteve Ruse
Norman, OK=0AOn 2012-08-23 08:40, Michael Perez wrote:=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI do n
ot have my tach. in hand at the moment, but I can get you the part number,
(ACS), if you like. I am also using the 90 deg. adapter from ACS, so the ro
tation can be switched AND it makes running the tach cable easier in the sm
all instrument compartment. (My opinion.)
Let me know.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
=0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List-> http://foru
ms.matronics.com| Date: | Aug 23, 2012 |
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Horn bend pictures. |
Well Mark,
I promised pictures of how I did it but at this point....kinda redundant! :-)
Lots of great suggestions on the process and there's really nothing of any value
I can add beyond what's been suggested. I think Jack's "clamp to a round bar
and bend..." was the best. These horns are incredibly strong when built like
he described it. AND when built to plans! Lightweight and stronger than they'll
EVER need to be.
Win/win.....
Again, not meaning to beat a dead horse (we never do that, do we?), I've attached
some pictures....
Jim in Pryor
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| Subject: | Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks guys!
I appreciate the help. I had 2 sets of the arm made so I could screw one up, as
I figured there would be a learning curve. Michael, I thought at first I might
do as it appears you did and just bend a straight line down the center and weld
away. Might still go that route, but I will most likely try the mandrel and
hammer treatment first. Don't have the time or money to build an English Wheel,
although I'd like one!
Mark
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381625#381625
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| Subject: | Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
BTW, Michael, how'd you bend the straight line down the horn so neatly?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381626#381626
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| From: | steve(at)wotelectronics.com |
| Subject: | Re: A65 /A75Tach |
Michael,
One more comment on the Westach electronic signal
tach...you do need to add a simple Left/Right switch on the panel to
control which mag the tach is monitoring. It will work without this
switch, but without the switch the tach will go dead when you do your
runup and switch to one mag. (i.e., it can only monitor one mag at a
time). When on "both" this doesn't matter, but when you do your
left/right mag check you kill one mag, if that is the one you are
monitoring the tach goes dead with it. The switch allows you to switch
the tach signal from one mag to the other so you can compare RPM between
the two. I hope that makes sense.
I used shielded wire for the signal
wire from the tach to mag. Not sure if that was necessary or not, I was
doing it to help ensure that I wouldn't get radio noise. Be careful with
wire routing, unintentionally grounding a wire could shut down a mag.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
On 2012-08-23 11:30, Michael Perez wrote:
>
I really like this idea better. Fortunately, it is not too late for me
to switch! If i do, my brand new mechanical tach. and 90 deg. adapter
will be for sale!
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker
Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> --- On THU, 8/23/12,
STEVE(at)WOTELECTRONICS.COM __ wrote:
>
>> From: steve(at)wotelectronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach
>> To:
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 10:34
AM
>>
>> For my A-75 I use a Westach tachometer that just monitors the
mag wires for RPM. This eliminates the need for a cable to the engine.
Better accuracy and less maintenance. No bouncing, no lubing of cables,
etc.
>>
>> I believe this is the model I use, check their
documentation to make sure this is the correct model:
>>
>>
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/tachometer3at32.php [1]
>>
>> Steve Ruse
>> Norman, OK
>>
>> On 2012-08-23 08:40, Michael
Perez wrote:
>>
>>> I do not have my tach. in hand at the moment, but
I can get you the part number, (ACS), if you like. I am also using the
90 deg. adapter from ACS, so the rotation can be switched AND it makes
running the tach cable easier in the small instrument compartment. (My
opinion.)
>>>
>>> Let me know.
>>>
>>> Michael Perez
>>> Pietenpol
HINT Videos
>>> Karetaker Aero
>>> www.karetakeraero.com
>>>
>>>
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