Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-ll
September 12, 2012 - October 05, 2012
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| From: | Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/building/workshop/4How%20to%20Make%20a%20Wing%20Stand.html
Mario Giacummo
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2012/9/12 Scott Knowlton
> flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
>
> If you have sufficient space above might I suggest you build a rolling
> wing stand (EAA has plans as does Tony B). Put two large bolted eyelits on
> the top of the stand either side and hoist the entire works with the wings
> on up into the rafters. Worked great for a set of wings for me and I am
> able to break down the wing stand. It has been loaned out to other
> builders on occasion. Less than a hundred bucks of wood and hardware to
> build.
>
> Scott Knowlton
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Greenlee <jmgreenlee(at)sbcglobal.net>
> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:27:28
> To:
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing hoist
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I need to hoist a set of (covered) Piet wings into the rafters of my
> hangar for some mid term storage. Any advice on how/how not to do this so
> that I can get them up and down without damage?
>
> Thx!
>
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
John,
Attach about 100 Mylar Happy Birthday balloons to your wings after you wrap
them in bubble pack and float them
to the rafters. They'll come down gently as the helium leaks out of the bal
loons!
Seriously, I would simply use the wing root fittings and the lift strut fit
tings with the wings upside down and use a system
like this that is used for storing bicycles at the ceiling in garages.
http://compare.ebay.com/like/170782170388?var=lv<yp=AllFixedPriceItem
Types&var=sbar
Mike C.
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | quick, I need to know the date of 2013 Pietenpol Fly-In |
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| From: | gcardinal(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: quick, I need to know the date of 2013 Pietenpol |
Fly-In . . anyone???
Oshkosh 2013 runs from Monday July 29th through Sunday, August 4th.
That=C2-puts the =C2-Brodhead dates to=C2-be Thursday, July 25th thro
ugh Sunday, July 28th.
This is not on the Chapter 431 website yet so it isn't confirmed.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo(at)msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:40:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: quick, I need to know the date of 2013 Pietenpol F
ly-In . . =C2- anyone???
=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: quick, I need to know the date of 2013 Pietenpol |
Fly-In . . anyone???
| From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
Since it's always the weekend before Oshkosh starts, it should be July 25-28
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: quick, I need to know the date of 2013 Pietenpol |
Fly-In . . anyone???
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I'll be there. Should be a record-setting year I hope!! Many new Piets comi
ng off the line!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
Sent: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 1:58 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: quick, I need to know the date of 2013 Pietenp
ol Fly-In . . anyone???
Since it's always the weekend before Oshkosh starts, it should be July 25-2
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On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:
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| Subject: | Jack Phillips Tailwheel |
| From: | "FandS_Piet" <fkim79(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Jack. I've noticed in looking at some pictures of your airplane on Chris Tracy's
site that that you have/had a plans built tail wheel and one with a leaf
spring. I was just wondering which one you have currently, why the change and
which do you like best?
I would like to keep the look of the plans built wheel, yet I really the idea
of steerable with break free castering.
Thanks.
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Fred Kim
Pittsburgh, Pa
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Jack Phillips Tailwheel |
Hi Fred, the pictures may be messed up because I am utilizing the leaf
spring design. Jack Phillips swears by the plans built but mine weighs 4
pounds with a Scott wheel. Not flying yet...
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of FandS_Piet
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jack Phillips Tailwheel
Hey Jack. I've noticed in looking at some pictures of your airplane on
Chris Tracy's site that that you have/had a plans built tail wheel and one
with a leaf spring. I was just wondering which one you have currently, why
the change and which do you like best?
I would like to keep the look of the plans built wheel, yet I really the
idea of steerable with break free castering.
Thanks.
--------
Fred Kim
Pittsburgh, Pa
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382975#382975
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Jack Phillips Tailwheel |
Hi Fred,
I originally built my Pietenpol with a leaf spring tailwheel, uisng a Scott
6" tailwheel that I bought on ebay, and a leaf spring from a Piper PA-12
Super Cruiser. I used this combination for the first 7 hours of operation
of my aircraft until I had a forced landing due to problems with my carb
heat setup. In that landing, I put the airplane down on US Highway 64 west
of Raleigh, NC. As I approached to land, I found a pickup truck was right
where I need to land and had to pul the nose up to slow down enough to let
him get ahead of me. Then to prevent a stall I nosed down pretty severely
and flew the plane into the ground hard enough that it broke the axle. I
recovered from the bounce, landed the plane safely and was congratulating
myself on having saved the airplane when the axle gave way, the right wing
dropped and full left rudder, left brake and left aileron could not keep it
out of the ditch. The ensuing groundloop tore the tailwheel leafspring off
the fuselage, cracking the lower right longeron in the process.
Not the happiest day in my life. This was in November 2004. The repairs
took over 7 months. During that repair process, I did more analyzing of the
tailwheel design and came to the realization that (as usual) BHP knew what
he was doing when he developed his A-Arm design. The problem with a leaf
spring design is that it was really developed for a steel tube fuselage. In
a leaf spring tailwheel, the loads are concentrated at the main bolt that
connectes the spring to the fuselage, and the saddle that clamps the springs
at the tailpost. This works fine with wood until the side loads (such as in
a groundloop) are too great and the saddle lets go. At that point ALL the
loads go into that bolt, and the twisting forces get transferred to the
longerons. Since my longeron was cracked by the impact I had to repair that
area and did not want to then put another leaf spring bolt back into that
repaired area, so I looked at the BHP design.
I built the BHP design to the plans for the tailskid and added a fitting to
hold the shoe of the tailwheel. Once I got the airplane repaired and flying
again, I did the initial test flights with that setup. I noticed that
applying hard rudder inputs to break the tailwheel into free-swivel mode
caused a strange shimmy that was really the twisting of the a-arm. After
about 5 hours of operation, as I was taxiing for takeoff and hit a pothole
with the tailwheel, which broke off. Good thing it happened while taxiing!
This picture shows the first A-Arm tailwheel assembly I tried. Note the
repairs to the lower right longeron.
After that, I built a new A-Arm assembly with a couple of improvements. I
made the steel tubing of .049" wall rather than the 20 gage (.035") called
for in the plans. I added a brace between the open ends of the assembly to
stiffen it, and I moved the tailwheel to be directly under the coil spring
(as the plans had originally shown). Because I added so much steel, I
changed from the 6" Scott, which weighed a lot, to an Aircraft Spruce
"Homebuilders Special" 4" tailwheel. Once it was all finished, I was
surprised to find that the whole assembly weighed about 4 lbs less than the
orignial leaf spring assembly. The tailwheel is fully steerable and can
break into free swivel and works just fine. The only problem with the
tailwheel is that it breaks into free swivel much easier when turning left
than when turning right (one of these days I'll take it apart and fix that)
but it's not a problem as long as I remember that. It's been working fine
now for 7 years and nearly 300 hours
Here's a picture of the final configuration:
And here's a picture showing it installed on the airplane:
As Abraham Lincoln once said "I apologize for the long letter. I didn't
have time to write a short one."
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of FandS_Piet
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jack Phillips Tailwheel
Hey Jack. I've noticed in looking at some pictures of your airplane on
Chris Tracy's site that that you have/had a plans built tail wheel and one
with a leaf spring. I was just wondering which one you have currently, why
the change and which do you like best?
I would like to keep the look of the plans built wheel, yet I really the
idea of steerable with break free castering.
Thanks.
--------
Fred Kim
Pittsburgh, Pa
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382975#382975
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| From: | <rdewenter(at)woh.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Corvair College 24 |
The registration site for Corvair College 24 is up and running. It can be found
at https://corvaircollege.wufoo.com/forms/corvair-college-24-registration/
The fall college is once again hosted by P.F. Beck and the gang in Barnwell SC.
The airport is KBNL.
The dates are November 9,10,11
More info is available here: http://barnwellregionalairport.com/Corvair_College___19.html
Folks,
I Highly recommend attending, even if you might be planning on using once certified
propulsion with letter like A, C and O in their descriptions. P.F. Beck and
Don Harper are currently conducting tests of Dons new Pietenpol this means
there will be at least 2 Pietenpol available to take pictures, and ask the builders
all kinds of questions about their creations. I will leave it up to the
other Piet builders, but I suspect at least one more Piet will be back. If we
are lucky we will get to see a high speed pass by some hot-rodded Corvairs as
we have the last two years at Barnwell!
If you are wondering (as I did my first time I attended) there is no real official
schedule. Folks show up early Friday morning, pick a spot and get to work.
There is an engine hoist available. The engine test stand arrives around noon
on Friday. WW takes a few minutes to get settled and the one-on-one and demonstrations
begin. There will be engines in just about every stage of completion.
You will have the opportunity to learn from others both their progress and setbacks.
Some minor build problems will develop during the event with an engine
or two and they will be resolved on the spot and you will learn!
Camping spots are plentiful and the grass reminds me of a pool table
Very nice shower facilities
Some of the nicest people you will ever meet are the hosts
A chow wagon shows up and price of admission gets you breakfast Saturday and Sunday
and lunch and dinner on Saturday (although in the south I think its dinner
and supper??)
Saturday Nights dinner (or is it supper? ) is 100% authentic, 24 hour, on location,
slow cooked North Carolina BBQ and it is excellent! And is also included
in the registration price.
My engine ran at last year at the Barnwell event and I will be coming mostly to
see P.F., Don Tim and other friends I have met along the way Hopefully Gardner
will be in attendance as well. I wonder if a Texas Contingency will show up?
If you are a newbie and have questions feel free to email me off list rdewenter
(-a-t-) woh.rr.com
Bob early builder Dewenter
Dayton OH
Piet / Corvair builder
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| From: | "Barnwell Regional Airport" <barnwellairport(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Next Corvair College #24 at Barnwell [ KBNL ] |
Fellow Pietenpol enthusiasts,
The next Corvair College will be held at Barnwell Airport [ KBNL ] on
November 9, 10, 11.
For those who are not familiar with a Corvair College, it is a gathering
of aviation enthusiasts, started by William Wynne in 2004, for those who
want expert information on building a corvair engine for use on an
airplane.
The registration is now open at
https://corvaircollege.wufoo.com/forms/corvair-college-24-registration/
For more information about the airport , go to
www.barnwellregionalairport.com
William Wynne will have additional information on his web site shortly
www.flycorvair.net
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Jack Phillips Tailwheel |
Outstanding intel. and pictures Jack!- How many hours are on the new tail
wheel?- I ask because mine is .049" wall tube, 4" wheel, wheel located u
nder coil spring, "A" arm, etc.
Just curious.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Jack Phillips Tailwheel |
As I indicated, I've got about 300 hours on the airplane, and the first
tailwheel had 7 hours, the second (first a-arm) had 5 hours. The rest have
been with the second a-arm design.
I've seen your pictures and recommend you add the cross brace to the a-arm.
Otherwise it twists pretty easily. If it lets go on landing as mine did
while taxiing, you will find yourself in an awkward situation.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Jack Phillips Tailwheel
Outstanding intel. and pictures Jack! How many hours are on the new tail
wheel? I ask because mine is .049" wall tube, 4" wheel, wheel located under
coil spring, "A" arm, etc.
Just curious.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Jack Phillips Tailwheel |
Thanks. I was distracted by the photos that I did not take the time to read
the details well..
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
--- On Thu, 9/13/12, Jack Phillips wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Jack Phillips Tailwheel
Date: Thursday, September 13, 2012, 10:18 AM
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| Subject: | Re: Jack Phillips Tailwheel |
| From: | "FandS_Piet" <fkim79(at)gmail.com> |
Jack T. My eyes may be deceiving me but it clearly looks like there is a leaf
spring style tail wheel in one of the pictures.
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Fred Kim
Pittsburgh, Pa
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| Subject: | First run of Corvair on Pietenpol |
| From: | "caldwrl" <caldwrl(at)etex.net> |
This old East Texas boy finally "wallered" all the right holes and mounted the
Corvair (CC 21 alum.), installed induction system, fuel system, electricals, instruments,
and deemed it ready to crank. Last Tuesday I rolled it out of the
hanger, anchored it to my F-150, set the brakes (on the F-150), turned on fuel,
flipped switches, primed, and punched the starter button. Well, it came to
life and I savored a sweet moment or two... first run on the Piet.
Leading up to the above, I had fun with the Stromberg NA-S3A1 and need to thank
Gary from Cool for bringing the recent topic up, as I learned a few things from
all the posts. Seems to run very well on the old Stromberg, so far... (I'll
manage the dribbles with the main fuel valve).
Another first for me was posting videos on YouTube, so I am including below a couple
of links to the Corvair runs of the day. Let me know if you have any issues
with them, since it's my first effort.
So, onward to setting the wings to the center section and rigging. I plan to use
a set of J-3 lift struts, so if anyone has any hints or comments to make this
happen, please comment. I think there is sufficient details in the archives
to help this phase, but any info is always welcome.
Links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5mthhGiApM&feature=vmdshb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53FWqi6pDa0
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Robert Caldwell
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| Subject: | Re: First run of Corvair on Pietenpol |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Robert - A BIG Woo-hoo!!! That is a sweet sound!
Gary
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "caldwrl" <caldwrl(at)etex.net>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:16:00
on Pietenpol
This old East Texas boy finally "wallered" all the right holes and mounted the
Corvair (CC 21 alum.), installed induction system, fuel system, electricals, instruments,
and deemed it ready to crank. Last Tuesday I rolled it out of the
hanger, anchored it to my F-150, set the brakes (on the F-150), turned on fuel,
flipped switches, primed, and punched the starter button. Well, it came to
life and I savored a sweet moment or two... first run on the Piet.
Leading up to the above, I had fun with the Stromberg NA-S3A1 and need to thank
Gary from Cool for bringing the recent topic up, as I learned a few things from
all the posts. Seems to run very well on the old Stromberg, so far... (I'll
manage the dribbles with the main fuel valve).
Another first for me was posting videos on YouTube, so I am including below a couple
of links to the Corvair runs of the day. Let me know if you have any issues
with them, since it's my first effort.
So, onward to setting the wings to the center section and rigging. I plan to use
a set of J-3 lift struts, so if anyone has any hints or comments to make this
happen, please comment. I think there is sufficient details in the archives
to help this phase, but any info is always welcome.
Links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5mthhGiApM&feature=vmdshb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53FWqi6pDa0
--------
Robert Caldwell
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382992#382992
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Well gents...
I have some wiring to do and a few little panels to make.. some touch up here and
there... but here it is... pretty much together..
looking forward to taxiing around and trying her out..
jeff
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Jeff's new Pietenpol |
Just gorgeous Jeff! Really elegant and clean looking. Those kerosene burners
will be jealous when they hear
your engine running and smell that sweet Ford A exhaust!
When will the FAA (or designee) be doing your inspection? You're in KY yes?
That will make TWO new Piets
from KY this year in the air since Douwe's has made it's first flight.
Great photos too.
Mike C.
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
Very nice=2C where are you located? I like the cowling good work Vic NX
414MV california
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jeff,
Gorgeous airplane!! You gonna be able to taxi around there with the skid? G
reg Cardinal has a great solution, welding on hardened drill rod to the bot
tom of the skid plate. A great idea that I myself copied!
Dan helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:43 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update
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Well gents...
I have some wiring to do and a few little panels to make.. some touch up he
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and there... but here it is... pretty much together..
looking forward to taxiing around and trying her out..
jeff
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| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Beautiful airplane, Jeff! You should be very proud of the airplane you built!
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Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com> |
Jeff your plane looks great!! I needed a good dose of encouragement,seeing your
plane helped.
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Building steel fuselage aircamper.
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| Subject: | Re: pieces parts |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
This group is the best! What a great bunch of people here...
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| Subject: | Re: First run of Corvair on Pietenpol |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Way to go Robert! Looking and sounding good!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Very nice!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Jack Phillips Tailwheel |
| From: | "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Fred yes I have 2 leaf springs with a Scott tail wheel
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 13, 2012, at 10:56 AM, "FandS_Piet" wrote:
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Update and tailskid operations |
Jeff,
Welcome to the world of brakeless, tailskid flying. You will find that
your airplane handles landing and taxiing like most any other tailwheel
equipped aircraft with a few exceptions.
1. Skidplate wear - Dan mentioned the drill rod. This works great.
Initially a piece of UHMW was installed as the wearplate. This wore out
after a couple of months. Then a couple of carbide cutting inserts were
brazed onto the skidplate. These worked fantastic but would dig deep
scratches on any hard surface I taxiied across. The solution is a piece
of 3/8" diameter X 3" long piece of tungsten carbide drill rod brazed
across the aft end of the skid plate. Minimal scratching on hard
surfaces and will likely last the life of the airplane.
2. Taxiing with a tailwind - This is the biggest challenge with a skid.
Any taxiing with a tailwind greater than 10 - 12 mph requires assistance
by someone hanging onto a lift strut and helping to steer the airplane.
3. Taxiing on pavement - The airplane can be difficult to steer
accurately and you may find it difficult to slow down. I always have my
seatbelt unbuckled when taxiing on pavement so I can jump out quickly if
needed. Be ready to kill the mag switch and don't taxi behind someone if
the taxiway slopes downhill.
4. Landing or taxiing on a slope - Use caution when doing so, the
tailskid will try to slide downhill. This is especially important when
landing on grass adjacent to a paved runway where the grass may slope
away from the pavement. If your tailskid slides downhill in this
situation you may find yourself heading towards the pavement.
Also, I NEVER land on a runway when airplanes are parked adjacent to it.
This can often be the case at busy fly-ins with minimal parking space.
The risk of groundlooping into a parked airplane isn't worth it. Go
early or go elsewhere, and carry good insurance.
5. Flight planning - When planning a flight to an unfamiliar airport
don't assume there will be usable grass. Quite often there is usable
grass next to the runway but check ahead with the airport operator and
have a usable alternate in mind. Google Earth is a great tool for
checking out airports but it doesn't always give good detail like
ditches and hazards hidden in the grass.
6. Cool factor - As if a Pietenpol isn't cool enough, the skid will set
you apart.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update
Jeff,
Gorgeous airplane!! You gonna be able to taxi around there with the
skid? Greg Cardinal has a great solution, welding on hardened drill rod
to the bottom of the skid plate. A great idea that I myself copied!
Dan helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:43 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update
Well gents...
I have some wiring to do and a few little panels to make.. some touch up
here
and there... but here it is... pretty much together..
looking forward to taxiing around and trying her out..
jeff
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383003#383003
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Very nice Jeff!- I like the look of the exterior aileron cables/pulleys.
- It fits the over-all look of your plane nicely.
Question, how did you form the very front "nose" part of the engine cowling
?- I would like a look similar to that, but am not sure how to form it. T
hanks.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: First run of Corvair on Pietenpol |
| From: | "caldwrl" <caldwrl(at)etex.net> |
Kevin's exhaust stacks gave me the idea for mine. And I figure there's lots of
clean air flowing around the fuselage at 80 mph (well, maybe not that fast)...
but that's my thinking. In fact, I don't remember smelling the exhaust at all
as I stood in the prop wash.
The exhausts are made from the standard Corvair "U" pipe I ordered from Clark's.
I cut it in half, turned one half 180 degrees and welded it back into an "S"
shape. I sliced the end parallel to the airflow and put in some louvres per
Tony B. Simple and easy, which I like both, and sort of retro.
I'll keep this in mind, however, and when she finally takes to the air it will
be a checklist item I will mark off or change.
Besides, Kevin has been one of my hero for years now, and still is. So, I will
take the liberty to copy any of FBG's attributes and future improvements, unless
Kevin says otherwise.
--------
Robert Caldwell
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383040#383040
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Update and tailskid operations |
Correction, I see you do have brakes. Everything still applies.
GC
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Cardinal
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update and tailskid operations
Jeff,
Welcome to the world of brakeless, tailskid flying. You will find that
your airplane handles landing and taxiing like most any other tailwheel
equipped aircraft with a few exceptions.
1. Skidplate wear - Dan mentioned the drill rod. This works great.
Initially a piece of UHMW was installed as the wearplate. This wore out
after a couple of months. Then a couple of carbide cutting inserts were
brazed onto the skidplate. These worked fantastic but would dig deep
scratches on any hard surface I taxiied across. The solution is a piece
of 3/8" diameter X 3" long piece of tungsten carbide drill rod brazed
across the aft end of the skid plate. Minimal scratching on hard
surfaces and will likely last the life of the airplane.
2. Taxiing with a tailwind - This is the biggest challenge with a
skid. Any taxiing with a tailwind greater than 10 - 12 mph requires
assistance by someone hanging onto a lift strut and helping to steer the
airplane.
3. Taxiing on pavement - The airplane can be difficult to steer
accurately and you may find it difficult to slow down. I always have my
seatbelt unbuckled when taxiing on pavement so I can jump out quickly if
needed. Be ready to kill the mag switch and don't taxi behind someone if
the taxiway slopes downhill.
4. Landing or taxiing on a slope - Use caution when doing so, the
tailskid will try to slide downhill. This is especially important when
landing on grass adjacent to a paved runway where the grass may slope
away from the pavement. If your tailskid slides downhill in this
situation you may find yourself heading towards the pavement.
Also, I NEVER land on a runway when airplanes are parked adjacent to
it. This can often be the case at busy fly-ins with minimal parking
space. The risk of groundlooping into a parked airplane isn't worth it.
Go early or go elsewhere, and carry good insurance.
5. Flight planning - When planning a flight to an unfamiliar airport
don't assume there will be usable grass. Quite often there is usable
grass next to the runway but check ahead with the airport operator and
have a usable alternate in mind. Google Earth is a great tool for
checking out airports but it doesn't always give good detail like
ditches and hazards hidden in the grass.
6. Cool factor - As if a Pietenpol isn't cool enough, the skid will
set you apart.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update
Jeff,
Gorgeous airplane!! You gonna be able to taxi around there with the
skid? Greg Cardinal has a great solution, welding on hardened drill rod
to the bottom of the skid plate. A great idea that I myself copied!
Dan helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:43 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update
Well gents...
I have some wiring to do and a few little panels to make.. some touch up
here
and there... but here it is... pretty much together..
looking forward to taxiing around and trying her out..
jeff
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | two great looking new ones!! |
WOW, what nice new planes!!!
Great work guys!!
Jeff, where in KY are you? I'm between Lex and Cinci.
Douwe
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Assembling Mag. to Engine |
Crew, I have completed a mag. overhaul and am wanting to attach it to the e
ngine. Per the engine manual, I have found TDC and have the engine clocked
at 30 deg. BTDC.
The mag. I want to install has an impulse coupler and will go in the left s
ide mag. opening.- I am not sure at what orientation/rotation the mag. it
self needs to be in when I bolt it to the engine.-- I would imagine one
gear tooth off in either direction in relation to the engine gear would ca
use problems.
Thanks up front.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | New Data Plate...P.C.? |
My new engine data plate has a box under the "C.R." box labled "P.C".- Wh
at does P.C. stand for? More directly, what should I stamp in this PC box?
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Assembling Mag. to Engine |
This would help...
The mags are Eisemann AM-4.-
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
=0A
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First run of Corvair on Pietenpol |
Bob:
I was just shooting my mouth off about something I have no direct experience with
except for one ride in Kevin's FBG. No, I did not notice any exhaust fumes
on that flight and Kevin would surely have mentioned it if that was one of the
things that he was planning to change. I just wish I was that far along with
mine.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
>>> "caldwrl" 9/14/2012 7:32 AM >>>
Kevin's exhaust stacks gave me the idea for mine. And I figure there's lots of
clean air flowing around the fuselage at 80 mph (well, maybe not that fast)...
but that's my thinking. In fact, I don't remember smelling the exhaust at all
as I stood in the prop wash.
The exhausts are made from the standard Corvair "U" pipe I ordered from Clark's.
I cut it in half, turned one half 180 degrees and welded it back into an "S"
shape. I sliced the end parallel to the airflow and put in some louvres per
Tony B. Simple and easy, which I like both, and sort of retro.
I'll keep this in mind, however, and when she finally takes to the air it will
be a checklist item I will mark off or change.
Besides, Kevin has been one of my hero for years now, and still is. So, I will
take the liberty to copy any of FBG's attributes and future improvements, unless
Kevin says otherwise.
--------
Robert Caldwell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383040#383040
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Mag. Tag Numbers |
Attached is a photo showing the old tag and its numbers from one of my Eise
mann AM-4s.- Where should these numbers be placed on the new tag?- (Whi
ch is model, number, serial number, etc.)
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Gorgeous, Jeff. Another Black & Yellow German!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 4:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update
Well gents...
I have some wiring to do and a few little panels to make.. some touch up
here and there... but here it is... pretty much together..
looking forward to taxiing around and trying her out..
jeff
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383003#383003
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
There are several Pietenpols that are great examples of the real beauty of this
wonderful design.
This is one of those.....
Simple elegant beauty.
Congratulations!
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| Subject: | RE: Jeff's new Piet |
| From: | woodflier(at)aol.com |
Beautiful job, Jeff. With all the Piets now in KY, VA, NC, WV and MD, we ou
ght to have a mid-Atlantic Piet get together to terrorize the spam cans! I
look forward to seeing your airplane in person and flying.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Assembling Mag. to Engine |
Found it!- (You'll never guess where...)
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
=0A
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| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Beautiful, Jeff! I see the black and yellow Germans are gaining strength!
Gary from Cool
------Original Message------
From: bender
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update
Sent: Sep 13, 2012 1:42 PM
Well gents...
I have some wiring to do and a few little panels to make.. some touch up here and
there... but here it is... pretty much together..
looking forward to taxiing around and trying her out..
jeff
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383003#383003
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Need to dispel this rumor. Jeff's airplane is actually dark green. But ther
e IS another black and yellow copy-job about to make it's debut. I don't wa
nt to mention any names, but the initials are G.R.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: gboothe5 <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:33 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update
Beautiful, Jeff! I see the black and yellow Germans are gaining strength!
Gary from Cool
------Original Message------
From: bender
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update
Sent: Sep 13, 2012 1:42 PM
>
Well gents...
I have some wiring to do and a few little panels to make.. some touch up he
re
and there... but here it is... pretty much together..
looking forward to taxiing around and trying her out..
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Update and tailskid operations |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Thanks... i do have brakes..
i'm looking forward to taxiing it around to see how it goes..
i have a wheel around but i'm hoping not to use it
I wondered about the UHMW and if it would last at all
i actually have a piece of an old tire screwed to the plate now..
not sure it would last long at all but i thought i would try a couple of replaceable
shoes and see if anything worked
jeff
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Thanks for the kind words..
it is green for sure... really dark green.. but green.
and the wing is a creamy tan... my wife says it looks the same color as the Birch
ply that was all over the plane.
I actually don't have the inspection scheduled yet..I was hoping to get an FAA
guy to come over if i can talk one into it.. they are close and free.
The nose bowl is kinda funny...i made one like the plans then was throwing away
some old junk when i noticed one of those floor lamps the points up... the reflector
after some trimming worked perfect for a nose.
i heard about the lid to a wok being used the same way too.
Jeff
SDF Lou ky
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| Subject: | Re: two great looking new ones!! |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
thanks Douwe.
I'm in Louisville... the plane is at sdf..
louisville intergalactic airport.
it a little busier than some but mostly at midnight a 6am when UPS is busy.. the
10000 foot runway is almost big enough
jeff
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
No wonder Jeff's plane looked so good. So we have the good guys (the Green
& Cream Team) against the Black & Yellow Germans.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update
Need to dispel this rumor. Jeff's airplane is actually dark green. But there
IS another black and yellow copy-job about to make it's debut. I don't want
to mention any names, but the initials are G.R.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: gboothe5 <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:33 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update
Beautiful, Jeff! I see the black and yellow Germans are gaining strength!
Gary from Cool
------Original Message------
From: bender
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update
Sent: Sep 13, 2012 1:42 PM
Well gents...
I have some wiring to do and a few little panels to make.. some touch up
here
and there... but here it is... pretty much together..
looking forward to taxiing around and trying her out..
jeff
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383003#383003
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
No wonder Jeff's plane looked so good. So we have the good guys (the Green
& Cream Team) against the Black & Yellow Germans.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update
Need to dispel this rumor. Jeff's airplane is actually dark green. But there
IS another black and yellow copy-job about to make it's debut. I don't want
to mention any names, but the initials are G.R.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: gboothe5 <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:33 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update
Beautiful, Jeff! I see the black and yellow Germans are gaining strength!
Gary from Cool
------Original Message------
From: bender
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update
Sent: Sep 13, 2012 1:42 PM
Well gents...
I have some wiring to do and a few little panels to make.. some touch up
here
and there... but here it is... pretty much together..
looking forward to taxiing around and trying her out..
jeff
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383003#383003
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Jeff's new Piet |
| From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
They also build them in pa and have nice airports with plenty of tie down sp
ace
Juss sayin
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 14, 2012, at 10:08 AM, woodflier(at)aol.com wrote:
> Beautiful job, Jeff. With all the Piets now in KY, VA, NC, WV and MD, we o
ught to have a mid-Atlantic Piet get together to terrorize the spam cans! I l
ook forward to seeing your airplane in person and flying.
>
> Matt Paxton
> NX629ML
>
>
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| Subject: | How to remove Latex paint from fabric |
| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Before anything else, Jeff: congratulation for the Piet!!!, for me, here far away
from all those hand made flaying machines, its a .... pleasure?/confort?..
I do not know how to said it.. see came out one after anoher with success.
Now my little add..
Few months ago I ask how to make certain repair in the rudder.. I install a wrong
horn on it, cover the rudder, and paint it with latex to learn, and see how
latex work, later I discover the mistake... and the best answer I had was "cut,
replace it and learn how to do it"...
OK, I am in the process.. I do not care to cut, and replace it, the problem for
me was the paint. How can I go to the fabric without damage it with the sand
paper?... I do not like that idea.. but if there is no other?.. I ask in paint
houses if there is anything to remove the paint chemicaly.. the answer was nothing,
so sand?.. so today I was in the garage doing others things and I saw
a bottle of Tolueno that I use to clean the brushes I use to apply contac cement.
and I try with it.. incredibel.. look this pictures here
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com/2012/09/como-arreglar-un-agujero-y-rejadura-en.html
the fabric is like new.. without traces of the paint...
So, if you are working with latex paint remember, tolueno (in english may be TOLUEN?)
Regards
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383081#383081
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: How to remove Latex paint from fabric |
Well, this is perfect timing for me! I may be removing some latex (the hand painted
numbers) from my rudder....looks like this will do the job!
Also, I didn't like the way the latex worked on aluminum cowling and found that
acetone or mineral spirits (that's all I've tried so far) worked fine to remove
it from aluminum.
But this looks better for fabric.
Ringraziarla per la grand'idea!
Jim in Pryor....just ouside Rome...
-----Original Message-----
>From: giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Sep 14, 2012 11:22 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: How to remove Latex paint from fabric
>
>
>Before anything else, Jeff: congratulation for the Piet!!!, for me, here far away
from all those hand made flaying machines, its a .... pleasure?/confort?..
I do not know how to said it.. see came out one after anoher with success.
>Now my little add..
>
>Few months ago I ask how to make certain repair in the rudder.. I install a wrong
horn on it, cover the rudder, and paint it with latex to learn, and see how
latex work, later I discover the mistake... and the best answer I had was "cut,
replace it and learn how to do it"...
>OK, I am in the process.. I do not care to cut, and replace it, the problem for
me was the paint. How can I go to the fabric without damage it with the sand
paper?... I do not like that idea.. but if there is no other?.. I ask in paint
houses if there is anything to remove the paint chemicaly.. the answer was
nothing, so sand?.. so today I was in the garage doing others things and I saw
a bottle of Tolueno that I use to clean the brushes I use to apply contac cement.
and I try with it.. incredibel.. look this pictures here
>
>http://vgmk1.blogspot.com/2012/09/como-arreglar-un-agujero-y-rejadura-en.html
>
>the fabric is like new.. without traces of the paint...
>So, if you are working with latex paint remember, tolueno (in english may be TOLUEN?)
>
>Regards
>
>--------
>Mario Giacummo
>http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383081#383081
>
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | avgas compatibility with latex? |
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IGZseWluZyB3aXRoIGxhdGV4IG9yIGhhdmUgZG9uZSB0ZXN0aW5nLCBob3cgZG9lcyBpdCBob2xk
IHVwIHRvIGF1dG8gb3IgMTAwTEwgYXZnYXM/DQoNCg0KDQpNaWtlIEMuDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KW2Np
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | How to remove Latex paint from fabric |
I meant to say:
Gracias por la gran idea!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>Sent: Sep 14, 2012 11:48 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How to remove Latex paint from fabric
>
>Well, this is perfect timing for me! I may be removing some latex (the hand painted
numbers) from my rudder....looks like this will do the job!
>
>Also, I didn't like the way the latex worked on aluminum cowling and found that
acetone or mineral spirits (that's all I've tried so far) worked fine to remove
it from aluminum.
>
>But this looks better for fabric.
>
>Ringraziarla per la grand'idea!
>
>Jim in Pryor....just ouside Rome...
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
>>Sent: Sep 14, 2012 11:22 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: How to remove Latex paint from fabric
>>
>>
>>Before anything else, Jeff: congratulation for the Piet!!!, for me, here far
away from all those hand made flaying machines, its a .... pleasure?/confort?..
I do not know how to said it.. see came out one after anoher with success.
>>Now my little add..
>>
>>Few months ago I ask how to make certain repair in the rudder.. I install a wrong
horn on it, cover the rudder, and paint it with latex to learn, and see how
latex work, later I discover the mistake... and the best answer I had was "cut,
replace it and learn how to do it"...
>>OK, I am in the process.. I do not care to cut, and replace it, the problem for
me was the paint. How can I go to the fabric without damage it with the sand
paper?... I do not like that idea.. but if there is no other?.. I ask in paint
houses if there is anything to remove the paint chemicaly.. the answer was
nothing, so sand?.. so today I was in the garage doing others things and I saw
a bottle of Tolueno that I use to clean the brushes I use to apply contac cement.
and I try with it.. incredibel.. look this pictures here
>>
>>http://vgmk1.blogspot.com/2012/09/como-arreglar-un-agujero-y-rejadura-en.html
>>
>>the fabric is like new.. without traces of the paint...
>>So, if you are working with latex paint remember, tolueno (in english may be
TOLUEN?)
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>--------
>>Mario Giacummo
>>http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383081#383081
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jack Phillips Tailwheel |
| From: | "FandS_Piet" <fkim79(at)gmail.com> |
Jack did you order 2 of the same springs. If so I assume you has to modify one
of them (shorten/bend it).
--------
Fred Kim
Pittsburgh, Pa
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jack Phillips Tailwheel |
To be honest, I simply don't remember. I do remember that I got the spring
from McMaster-Carr.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of FandS_Piet
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 1:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jack Phillips Tailwheel
Jack did you order 2 of the same springs. If so I assume you has to modify
one of them (shorten/bend it).
--------
Fred Kim
Pittsburgh, Pa
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383089#383089
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| Subject: | Re: How to remove Latex paint from fabric |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Mario,
In english I believe it's toluene. Not sure if it's available like that or not
from typical retailers, but would be the active ingredient in "brush cleaners",
paint strippers and the like.
Not sure, but it also may be in a couple products commonly available here in the
states as "Goof Off" or "Oops", which are both capable of removing dried latex
paint.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383097#383097
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: avgas compatibility with latex? |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: How to remove Latex paint from fabric |
Try normal paint stripper from the hardware store. That will take it off
just fine. Scrape the residue off with a sharp plastic scraper then wash
the remaining residue off.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 11:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: How to remove Latex paint from fabric
>
>
> Before anything else, Jeff: congratulation for the Piet!!!, for me, here
> far away from all those hand made flaying machines, its a ....
> pleasure?/confort?.. I do not know how to said it.. see came out one
> after anoher with success.
> Now my little add..
>
> Few months ago I ask how to make certain repair in the rudder.. I install
> a wrong horn on it, cover the rudder, and paint it with latex to learn,
> and see how latex work, later I discover the mistake... and the best
> answer I had was "cut, replace it and learn how to do it"...
> OK, I am in the process.. I do not care to cut, and replace it, the
> problem for me was the paint. How can I go to the fabric without damage it
> with the sand paper?... I do not like that idea.. but if there is no
> other?.. I ask in paint houses if there is anything to remove the paint
> chemicaly.. the answer was nothing, so sand?.. so today I was in the
> garage doing others things and I saw a bottle of Tolueno that I use to
> clean the brushes I use to apply contac cement. and I try with it..
> incredibel.. look this pictures here
>
> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com/2012/09/como-arreglar-un-agujero-y-rejadura-en.html
>
> the fabric is like new.. without traces of the paint...
> So, if you are working with latex paint remember, tolueno (in english may
> be TOLUEN?)
>
> Regards
>
> --------
> Mario Giacummo
> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383081#383081
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: avgas compatibility with latex? |
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: avgas compatibility with latex? |
Hey Mike
House paint does hold up to both types of gas and oil.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: avgas compatibility with latex?
Not good!
Gary from Cool
Sent on the Sprint=C2=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=C2=AE
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 12:01:31 -0500
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: avgas compatibility with latex?
Not that I ever plan on using latex on my airplane, however.....for
the guys who
are flying with latex, will be flying with latex or have done testing,
how does it hold up to auto or 100LL avgas?
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: How to remove Latex paint from fabric |
no, no, no ... Toluene is THE BEST, I discover it first.. ;o)))
Mario Giacummo
. -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- /
...- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - .
not archive
2012/9/14 Dick N
>
> Try normal paint stripper from the hardware store. That will take it off
> just fine. Scrape the residue off with a sharp plastic scraper then wash
> the remaining residue off.
> Dick N.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 11:22 AM
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: How to remove Latex paint from fabric
>
>
>> mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
>>
>> Before anything else, Jeff: congratulation for the Piet!!!, for me, here
>> far away from all those hand made flaying machines, its a ....
>> pleasure?/confort?.. I do not know how to said it.. see came out one after
>> anoher with success.
>> Now my little add..
>>
>> Few months ago I ask how to make certain repair in the rudder.. I install
>> a wrong horn on it, cover the rudder, and paint it with latex to learn, and
>> see how latex work, later I discover the mistake... and the best answer I
>> had was "cut, replace it and learn how to do it"...
>> OK, I am in the process.. I do not care to cut, and replace it, the
>> problem for me was the paint. How can I go to the fabric without damage it
>> with the sand paper?... I do not like that idea.. but if there is no
>> other?.. I ask in paint houses if there is anything to remove the paint
>> chemicaly.. the answer was nothing, so sand?.. so today I was in the garage
>> doing others things and I saw a bottle of Tolueno that I use to clean the
>> brushes I use to apply contac cement. and I try with it.. incredibel.. look
>> this pictures here
>>
>> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com/**2012/09/como-arreglar-un-**
>> agujero-y-rejadura-en.html<http://vgmk1.blogspot.com/2012/09/como-arreglar-un-agujero-y-rejadura-en.html>
>>
>> the fabric is like new.. without traces of the paint...
>> So, if you are working with latex paint remember, tolueno (in english may
>> be TOLUEN?)
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> --------
>> Mario Giacummo
>> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/**viewtopic.php?p=383081#383081>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: avgas compatibility with latex? |
http://www.questiongravity.com/airbike/latex1.htm
Mario Giacummo
. -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- /
...- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - .
2012/9/14
> Not good!
>
> Gary from Cool
> Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE
> ------------------------------
> *From: * "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <
> michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
> *Sender: * owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> *Date: *Fri, 14 Sep 2012 12:01:31 -0500
> *To: *pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *ReplyTo: * pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject: *Pietenpol-List: avgas compatibility with latex?
>
> Not that I ever plan on using latex on my airplane, however.....for the
> guys who****
>
> are flying with latex, will be flying with latex or have done testing, ho
w
> does it hold up to auto or 100LL avgas?****
>
> ** **
>
> Mike C.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> [image: Description:
> http://www.planitdiy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/village_roller_cover.
png]
> ****
>
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| Subject: | Service Advisory: SA 1224 fly.garmin.com |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Good info for the iPietenpol crowd
:-)
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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:08 PM
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: avgas compatibility with latex? |
we have a little stain from a leak that was in the fuel gauge, but it's not
too bad with 100LL, as long as you let it evaporate and don't wipe it whil
e it is wet.=C2- I don't know, but I would NOT want to spill auto gas on
it.
=C2-
Shad
--- On Fri, 9/14/12, Dick N wrote:
From: Dick N <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: avgas compatibility with latex?
Date: Friday, September 14, 2012, 3:45 PM
=EF=BB
Hey Mike
House paint does hold up to both types of gas and oil.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: avgas compatibility with latex?
Not good!
Gary from Cool
Sent on the Sprint=C2=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=C2=AE
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@na
sa.gov>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 12:01:31 -0500
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: avgas compatibility with latex?
Not that I ever plan on using latex on my airplane, however.....for the guy
s who
are flying with latex, will be flying with latex or have done testing, how
does it hold up to auto or 100LL avgas?
=C2-
Mike C.
=C2-
=C2-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: How to remove Latex paint from fabric |
I used MEK to take off paint to patch the wing when a piece of aluminum gut
ter fell on it a few years ago it worked great.- The MEK took it right do
wn to bare fabric in about a minute, then I washed the fabric with soap and
water, applied the patch, and repainted.- It worked great.
-
Shad
--- On Fri, 9/14/12, Dick N wrote:
From: Dick N <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How to remove Latex paint from fabric
Date: Friday, September 14, 2012, 3:43 PM
Try normal paint stripper from the hardware store.- That will take it off
just fine.- Scrape the residue off with a sharp plastic scraper then was
h the remaining residue off.
Dick N.
----- Original Message ----- From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 11:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: How to remove Latex paint from fabric
m>
>
> Before anything else, Jeff: congratulation for the Piet!!!, for me, here
far away from all those hand made flaying machines, its a .... pleasure?/co
nfort?.. I do not know how to said it.. see came out- one after anoher wi
th success.
> Now my little add..
>
> Few months ago I ask how to make certain repair in the rudder.. I install
a wrong horn on it, cover the rudder, and paint it with latex to learn, an
d see how latex work, later I discover the mistake... and the best answer I
had was "cut, replace it and learn how to do it"...
> OK, I am in the process.. I do not care to cut, and replace it, the probl
em for me was the paint. How can I go to the fabric without damage it with
the sand paper?... I do- not like that idea.. but if there is no other?..
I ask in paint houses if there is anything to remove the paint chemicaly..
the answer was nothing, so sand?.. so today I was in the garage doing othe
rs things and I saw a bottle of Tolueno that I use to clean the brushes I u
se to apply contac cement. and I try with it.. incredibel.. look this pictu
res here
>
> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com/2012/09/como-arreglar-un-agujero-y-rejadura-en.
html
>
> the fabric is like new.. without traces of the paint...
> So, if you are working with latex paint remember, tolueno (in english may
be TOLUEN?)
>
> Regards
>
> --------
> Mario Giacummo
> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383081#383081
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
le, List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: avgas compatibility with latex? |
| From: | Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com> |
I've spilled auto gas around the filler neck, sometimes it runs, sometimes
stains. Someday I might need to re-cover the center section. It has never
made me decide to not go flying.
Andrew Eldredge
Provo, UT
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 3:54 PM, shad bell wrote:
> we have a little stain from a leak that was in the fuel gauge, but it's
> not too bad with 100LL, as long as you let it evaporate and don't wipe it
> while it is wet. I don't know, but I would NOT want to spill auto gas on
> it.
>
> Shad
>
> --- On *Fri, 9/14/12, Dick N * wrote:
>
>
> From: Dick N <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: avgas compatibility with latex?
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Friday, September 14, 2012, 3:45 PM
>
> =EF=BB
> Hey Mike
> House paint does hold up to both types of gas and oil.
> Dick N.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* gboothe5@comcast.net<http://us.mc1612.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?t
o=gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc1612.mail.yahoo.com/mc/com
pose?to=pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2012 1:30 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: avgas compatibility with latex?
>
> Not good!
>
> Gary from Cool
> Sent on the Sprint=C2=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=C2=AE
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <
> michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov<http://us.mc1612.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mi
chael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>>
>
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> *To: *pietenpol-list@matronics.comhttp://us
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npol-list(at)matronics.com>
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c/compose?to=pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>
> *Subject: *Pietenpol-List: avgas compatibility with latex?
>
> Not that I ever plan on using latex on my airplane, however.....for the
> guys who
>
> are flying with latex, will be flying with latex or have done testing, ho
w
> does it hold up to auto or 100LL avgas?
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> [image: Description:
> http://www.planitdiy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/village_roller_cover.
png]
>
>
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| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Jeff:
She is a beauty, on a sustained climb you might need a steam vent from the top,
front of the head like all Fords require such a vent.
Pieti Lowell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383125#383125
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| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Jeff,
Very, very nice. I love the look. Didn't you start building that thing like...
last month!?
And yes... Welcome to the Green and Cream Team!
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383161#383161
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Jeff's external aileron cables |
| From: | "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> |
Are there any plans/drawings on that external aileron setup? Thanks; Paul
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383188#383188
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Chick Magnet is Kicking In |
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| From: | Pietn38b(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: need help deciding on powerplant |
Paul
I now have three corvair powered aircraft. The one in my piet is a
plane-jane Pietenpol conversion. I have had no trouble with hand propping
although since I put starters on the other two I have decided to put a starter
on
the Piet in the furture. I also hand propped the DA-2A for the first 500
hrs also. Even though I really like the corvairs the little continentals
are hard to beat in a Piet, I've flown both.
Jim Ballew.
In a message dated 9/15/2012 4:52:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "nightmare"
I may be flip flopping. Lately have been leaning heavily towards a
Continental. from a65 to 0200. I'm trying to keep an open mind and wanted some
opinions on the Corvair.
What could i expect to spend on the lower horsepower corvair with no
starter, alternator. Just bare bones, hand propping action. the only splurge
would be to put the other cam in it so it turns the "right" way. And i would be
doing all the work myself. I'm going to talk to the folks over at
flycorvair.com, but i also wanted some real Piet builders opinions. Thanks; Paul
--------
Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383191#383191
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Daniel Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com> |
Are there any plans or dimensions for a center section flop available?
Dennis
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: need help deciding on powerplant |
-----Original Message-----
For example, if you are leaning toward a certified engine, you are probably
looking at an immediate outlay of expense in a lump sum, where building a
corvair can be done piecemeal as you can afford it. An added benefit is
that you built it, you know how it is put together, and can likely fix it
when it needs maintenance (my opinion).
Not necessarily true. I bought my Continental A65 as a box of parts, for
$1500. Two years later I bought new Millenium cylinders for it. A year
later I sent the crankshaft and the crankcase out for overhaul and bought a
new camshaft. A year later I assembled everything. Total cost $7,500 for a
zero time vertified aircraft engine - very little more than a full-up
Corvair conversion with the fifth bearing.
As Shelley said, the deciding factor should be the type of flying you expect
to do and the terrain you will be flying over. Will you be flying out of
short strips with tall trees? If so you may need more power and opt for a
Corvair, or an O-200 or O-235.
One thing to remember in choosing is how easy it may be to get service if
you have a problem away from home. Most aircraft repair shops will not
touch an auto engine conversion, so while you might be able to repair a
Corvair or Ford very inexensively, you may not be able to repair it at all
when on a trip.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
The flop is in the F&G Manual plans, but not in the later full size plans.
It's offset to the left in the original one piece wing plans, which would
make sense since you are stepping up and in from the left side. With the
three piece you either just flop the trailing portion of the center
section, or figure out how you might want to work out an offset portion to
the left. Part of the fun!
[image: Inline image 1]
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Daniel Engelkenjohn wrote:
> Are there any plans or dimensions for a center section flop available?
>
> Dennis
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: need help deciding on powerplant |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
Just to play devil's advocate, 8 years ago you majored a 65HP aircraft
engine for $7500 (and odds are that price has not gone down, probably not
stayed the same, maybe increased a bit).....as opposed to the Corvair at
roughly the same price today, delivering 100HP....
But then it is 65HP to 100HP, and aircraft to auto conversion, so kind of
apples and oranges
;-)
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> For example, if you are leaning toward a certified engine, you are probably
> looking at an immediate outlay of expense in a lump sum, where building a
> corvair can be done piecemeal as you can afford it. An added benefit is
> that you built it, you know how it is put together, and can likely fix it
> when it needs maintenance (my opinion).
>
> Not necessarily true. I bought my Continental A65 as a box of parts, for
> $1500. Two years later I bought new Millenium cylinders for it. A year
> later I sent the crankshaft and the crankcase out for overhaul and bought a
> new camshaft. A year later I assembled everything. Total cost $7,500 for
> a
> zero time vertified aircraft engine - very little more than a full-up
> Corvair conversion with the fifth bearing.
>
> As Shelley said, the deciding factor should be the type of flying you
> expect
> to do and the terrain you will be flying over. Will you be flying out of
> short strips with tall trees? If so you may need more power and opt for a
> Corvair, or an O-200 or O-235.
>
> One thing to remember in choosing is how easy it may be to get service if
> you have a problem away from home. Most aircraft repair shops will not
> touch an auto engine conversion, so while you might be able to repair a
> Corvair or Ford very inexensively, you may not be able to repair it at all
> when on a trip.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: need help deciding on powerplant |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
What Gary said.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| From: | "Daniel Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com> |
thank you!
dennis
From: Ryan Mueller
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flop
The flop is in the F&G Manual plans, but not in the later full size
plans. It's offset to the left in the original one piece wing plans,
which would make sense since you are stepping up and in from the left
side. With the three piece you either just flop the trailing portion of
the center section, or figure out how you might want to work out an
offset portion to the left. Part of the fun!
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Daniel Engelkenjohn
wrote:
Are there any plans or dimensions for a center section flop available?
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Its all in the 1932 flying and glider manual..
I built my plane from those plans..
Jeff
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Thanks Don..
i started building 22 months ago..
i guess thats kinda quick
jeff
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Chick Magnet is Kicking In |
Okay Gary; lets get the hours flown off.
Cheers,
Jim
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Hey guys... just a note..
http://www.ellisracingproducts.com/
this is the guy that made my radiator.. he's into RC planes too and knows what
a piet is... fast and i think the quality is nice
lightweight
jeff
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| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
With mykitplane crashing and my log lost, I am looking for another log source that
is mac friendly. I was looking at facebook this morning and am considering
keeping my log there. Has anyone tried this?
--------
John Francis
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383289#383289
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
John,
I put a few pictures on FB (OK, 89 to be exact) in an album for my plane.
That would be plenty to convince anyone that I built it, but so would a
collection of images in a 'folder' on your computer. One could easily design
a simple Excel sheet that would keep track of hours and dollars, too. Funny
thing is...my FAA inspector never even opened my photo album to view the
build pictures!! Nor was he interested in the stack of receipts; but that's
all it would take to satisfy the requirement of proving that you built it.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 3:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Log
-->
With mykitplane crashing and my log lost, I am looking for another log
source that is mac friendly. I was looking at facebook this morning and am
considering keeping my log there. Has anyone tried this?
--------
John Francis
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383289#383289
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Log |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
John,
If you really want to upload your build pictures and log, and you are a Mac user,
why not use iWeb, build a simple website and just have it hosted somewhere?
Then you have all the records on your hard drive, but have it online as well.
Just a thought. iWeb is not that hard to use. If you have questions, contact me
off-line, and I would be glad to help.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 09/15/12 |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Bruce,
I have copied the info below from the [url]FlyCorvair.com[/url] website-
"Subj: Insurance
Date: 2/2/05
I see on your Web site that you were talking with the Vice President and Chief
Technician of Falcon Insurance. I'm wondering how insurance companies are feeling
these days toward your Corvair conversion, and if you have a feel for what
kind of difference in rates a person might expect to pay, say comparing to an
O-200 installation? In my case we're talking about a Christavia Mk 1 installation.
I know it's probably depending a lot on the type of airframe and other factors,
but could you say anything at all regarding any progress made on the insurance
rate aspect of the Corvair?
Thanks! Mike Sharkey, Ontario, Canada
Reply from WW:
We've been in continuous contact with Falcon on this issue. Although it has been
reported that Falcon will not insure some types of automotive powered aircraft,
my understanding is that they look at it on a case by case basis. Several
Corvair builders, including Mark Jones (KR-2S tri-gear) and Randy Stout (Zenair
601HD tri-gear), have purchased insurance through Falcon for their aircraft.
I spent some time speaking in person with Bob Mackey, Falcon VP, at the LSA Expo
in Sebring, Fla. In several follow up phone calls, Bob quoted us a very reasonable
rate for our Corvair powered 601. The rate was not significantly different
than what we pay Falcon to insure Grace's 1946 Taylorcraft. Bob explained
that the primary component was the fact that both aircraft are taildraggers.
Tricycle geared aircraft owners could expect a lower rate. The policy came with
some small stipulations about time in type training that were more than reasonable.
If you're interested in insurance, I suggest you contact him directly
at EAA HQ for the straight scoop."
I realize that is an older post. I would recommend that you email William Wynne
and ask him directly about insurance options for Corvair powered aircraft. I
seem to recall he wrote recently that there is someone that insuring Corvair powered
aircraft fairly readily. I think he had a recent discussion about it on
his website, or on his blog at [url]FLyCorvair.net[/url]
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383297#383297
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 09/15/12 |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Bruce,
I have copied the info below from the [url]FlyCorvair.com[/url] website-
"Subj: Insurance
Date: 2/2/05
I see on your Web site that you were talking with the Vice President and Chief
Technician of Falcon Insurance. I'm wondering how insurance companies are feeling
these days toward your Corvair conversion, and if you have a feel for what
kind of difference in rates a person might expect to pay, say comparing to an
O-200 installation? In my case we're talking about a Christavia Mk 1 installation.
I know it's probably depending a lot on the type of airframe and other factors,
but could you say anything at all regarding any progress made on the insurance
rate aspect of the Corvair?
Thanks! Mike Sharkey, Ontario, Canada
Reply from WW:
We've been in continuous contact with Falcon on this issue. Although it has been
reported that Falcon will not insure some types of automotive powered aircraft,
my understanding is that they look at it on a case by case basis. Several
Corvair builders, including Mark Jones (KR-2S tri-gear) and Randy Stout (Zenair
601HD tri-gear), have purchased insurance through Falcon for their aircraft.
I spent some time speaking in person with Bob Mackey, Falcon VP, at the LSA Expo
in Sebring, Fla. In several follow up phone calls, Bob quoted us a very reasonable
rate for our Corvair powered 601. The rate was not significantly different
than what we pay Falcon to insure Grace's 1946 Taylorcraft. Bob explained
that the primary component was the fact that both aircraft are taildraggers.
Tricycle geared aircraft owners could expect a lower rate. The policy came with
some small stipulations about time in type training that were more than reasonable.
If you're interested in insurance, I suggest you contact him directly
at EAA HQ for the straight scoop."
I realize that is an older post. I would recommend that you email William Wynne
and ask him directly about insurance options for Corvair powered aircraft. I
seem to recall he wrote recently that there is someone that insuring Corvair powered
aircraft fairly readily. I think he had a recent discussion about it on
his website, or on his blog at
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383298#383298
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Update and tailskid operations |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
for me it was just the weight and simplicity..
it does seem like it would be high on the coolness factor but weight that far
aft was the biggest thing
jeff
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | cool vintage style wool coveralls |
I ordered, and received, a set of the military surplus coveralls that Douwe mentioned.
They are a very nice wool material, soft and smooth (not itchy), and as pointed
out,
they fit the period appearance very nicely. However, that's all that they fit
on me.
The problem seems to be that Italian military men are somewhat shorter from shoulders
to crotch than long-torso Americans, so while they fit me perfectly elsewhere,
they
are too short in the torso. I am about 5'-9" and weigh 154.
I am going to return these to Sportsman's Guide UNLESS there is someone out there
who
would like to have them and thinks they will fit. In that case, and since I have
to
pay return shipping for them anyway, I'll send them to any Pieter who would like
to
have them, no charge, my goodwill gesture for today. Let me know off-line, otherwise
they're going back in the mail to Sportsman's Guide in a day or two.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Medford, OR
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 09/15/12 |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
Last I had heard, Falcon was fully insuring if you purchase a built engine
from William.....my understanding was that they would also insure an engine
built using his conversion method (i.e. owner built) without hassle. Best
bet is to call Falcon and explain the airframe/engine combo you are
considering, and see what they say. When I talked to them back around '09,
they told me no problem (for the Piet/owner built WW conversion combo)....
Ryan
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:28 AM, jarheadpilot82
wrote:
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
> Bruce,
>
> I have copied the info below from the [url]FlyCorvair.com[/url] website-
>
> "Subj: Insurance
>
> Date: 2/2/05
>
> I see on your Web site that you were talking with the Vice President and
> Chief Technician of Falcon Insurance. I'm wondering how insurance companies
> are feeling these days toward your Corvair conversion, and if you have a
> feel for what kind of difference in rates a person might expect to pay, say
> comparing to an O-200 installation? In my case we're talking about a
> Christavia Mk 1 installation. I know it's probably depending a lot on the
> type of airframe and other factors, but could you say anything at all
> regarding any progress made on the insurance rate aspect of the Corvair?
>
> Thanks! Mike Sharkey, Ontario, Canada
>
> Reply from WW:
> We've been in continuous contact with Falcon on this issue. Although it
> has been reported that Falcon will not insure some types of automotive
> powered aircraft, my understanding is that they look at it on a case by
> case basis. Several Corvair builders, including Mark Jones (KR-2S tri-gear)
> and Randy Stout (Zenair 601HD tri-gear), have purchased insurance through
> Falcon for their aircraft. I spent some time speaking in person with Bob
> Mackey, Falcon VP, at the LSA Expo in Sebring, Fla. In several follow up
> phone calls, Bob quoted us a very reasonable rate for our Corvair powered
> 601. The rate was not significantly different than what we pay Falcon to
> insure Grace's 1946 Taylorcraft. Bob explained that the primary component
> was the fact that both aircraft are taildraggers. Tricycle geared aircraft
> owners could expect a lower rate. The policy came with some small
> stipulations about time in type training that were more than reasonable. If
> you're interested in insurance, I sugges!
> t you contact him directly at EAA HQ for the straight scoop."
>
> I realize that is an older post. I would recommend that you email William
> Wynne and ask him directly about insurance options for Corvair powered
> aircraft. I seem to recall he wrote recently that there is someone that
> insuring Corvair powered aircraft fairly readily. I think he had a recent
> discussion about it on his website, or on his blog at
> [url]FLyCorvair.net[/url]
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383297#383297
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Log |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
You could setup a free blog at http://www.blogger.com. It's owned by
Google, so barring them completely discontinuing the service your data
should be safe. It's super simple to use, and if something was to happen
you can export your blog in XML format to move it elsewhere if need be....
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I put a few pictures on FB (OK, 89 to be exact) in an album for my plane.
> That would be plenty to convince anyone that I built it, but so would a
> collection of images in a 'folder' on your computer. One could easily
> design
> a simple Excel sheet that would keep track of hours and dollars, too. Funny
> thing is...my FAA inspector never even opened my photo album to view the
> build pictures!! Nor was he interested in the stack of receipts; but that's
> all it would take to satisfy the requirement of proving that you built it.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Francis
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 3:40 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Log
>
> -->
>
> With mykitplane crashing and my log lost, I am looking for another log
> source that is mac friendly. I was looking at facebook this morning and am
> considering keeping my log there. Has anyone tried this?
>
> --------
> John Francis
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383289#383289
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Jeff,
I could not find the diagram in the '32 manual of the aileron cable setup as you
used . I did see it in the 1933 Manual on the Sky Scout. I see that the flight
control cable connections in the cockpit are slightly different without the
horn as is normally used. What I can't quite figure is the geometry of the cable
between the upper portion of the aileron horns. Does the cable go underneath
the skin of the wings as they do in the flight controls that most guys do,
or do they run above the skin and across the trailing edge of the wing? A picture
would probably answer all of my questions.
I hope that I am not asking a dumb question. I just can't see it in my "mind's
eye" as they say. Thanks for your response.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks Brett for the explanation. I thought that might be the case, but I appreciate
the clarification, nonetheless. Makes inspecting the cables a lot easier,
but I wonder what effect the elements has on the condition of the cable over
time.
If anyone has a picture of the setup, that would be nice to see.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
Terry,
Check out Walt Bowe's pictures here:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Walt%20Bowe/pictures.htm
He has external aileron cables.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
>
>
> Jeff,
>
> I could not find the diagram in the '32 manual of the aileron cable setup
> as you used . I did see it in the 1933 Manual on the Sky Scout. I see that
> the flight control cable connections in the cockpit are slightly different
> without the horn as is normally used. What I can't quite figure is the
> geometry of the cable between the upper portion of the aileron horns. Does
> the cable go underneath the skin of the wings as they do in the flight
> controls that most guys do, or do they run above the skin and across the
> trailing edge of the wing? A picture would probably answer all of my
> questions.
>
> I hope that I am not asking a dumb question. I just can't see it in my
> "mind's eye" as they say. Thanks for your response.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383366#383366
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: cool vintage style wool coveralls |
I bought them too. I'm now 5' 7" with 29" leg.
They JUST fit. So there's some kind of
benchmark for you.
Clif
I will beg you for advice, your reply will be concise,
and I will listen very nicely and then go out and do
exactly what I want
>
>
> I ordered, and received, a set of the military surplus coveralls that
> Douwe mentioned.
> They are a very nice wool material, soft and smooth (not itchy), and as
> pointed out,
> they fit the period appearance very nicely. However, that's all that they
> fit on me.
> The problem seems to be that Italian military men are somewhat shorter
> from shoulders
> to crotch than long-torso Americans, so while they fit me perfectly
> elsewhere, they
> are too short in the torso. I am about 5'-9" and weigh 154.
> I am going to return these to Sportsman's Guide UNLESS there is someone
> out there who
> would like to have them and thinks they will fit. In that case, and since
> I have to
> pay return shipping for them anyway, I'll send them to any Pieter who
> would like to
> have them, no charge, my goodwill gesture for today. Let me know
> off-line, otherwise
> they're going back in the mail to Sportsman's Guide in a day or two.
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> Medford, OR
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Yeah, and Walt also has an adjustable leading edge on his vertical stabilizer.
It's in one of the photos. Man, is Westcoastpiet a gold mine of graphical information!
It's the "Tony Bingelis" of the Piet photo world ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
I agree, Chris' site and tireless efforts have been invaluable.
Having enjoyed his company on more than one of my Sacramento business trips, I
personally will not rest until we ALL have the pleasure of his presence at Brodhead....
-----Original Message-----
>From: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Sep 17, 2012 10:38 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
>
>
>Yeah, and Walt also has an adjustable leading edge on his vertical stabilizer.
It's in one of the photos. Man, is Westcoastpiet a gold mine of graphical information!
It's the "Tony Bingelis" of the Piet photo world ;o)
>
>--------
>Oscar Zuniga
>Medford/Ashland, OR
>Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>A75 power
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383381#383381
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Greg,
Thanks for the direction to westcoastpiet.com. I am not sure that I want to do
my flight controls that way, but it is VERY interesting to see that design.
I agree that the website has really helped a guy like me see how different areas
of construction really look. Sometimes you need more than just the plans. At
least I do.
Oscar, you are a master of the language. "The Tony Bingelis of the Piet PHoto World".
An amazing, and quite apt description.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
My carburetor does not have drilled head bolts (6) that attach the two body
halves together. Can I- use non-drilled bolts with lock washers? (AND th
read lock?) Or is safety wire required here?
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | SENTUCHOWS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
I bought fillister head bolts with a drilled head. If you wish you can find
them in A.S. cataloge.
Dave
In a message dated 9/18/2012 9:29:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net writes:
My carburetor does not have drilled head bolts (6) that attach the two
body halves together. Can I use non-drilled bolts with lock washers? (AND
thread lock?) Or is safety wire required here?
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Many carburetors use metal tab washers on these screws/bolts. A couple of fi
ngers bend down over the edge of the bowl and the others bend up on the bolt
flats. These are included in a carb overhaul kit.
On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> My carburetor does not have drilled head bolts (6) that attach the two bod
y halves together. Can I use non-drilled bolts with lock washers? (AND thre
ad lock?) Or is safety wire required here?
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
I have the overhaul kit from Fresno, (doing final assembly now) ...no such
washers were included.-
I ask because I have un-drilled bolts and lock washers, but if the drilled
with safety wire are required, I'll get some.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
Michael, check McMaster Carr. They have drilled-head bolts. Don't know
if they would work for your application -- I'm using some of them to
attach the oil pan to the bottom of my Corvair engine. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts
My carburetor does not have drilled head bolts (6) that attach
the two body halves together. Can I use non-drilled bolts with lock
washers? (AND thread lock?) Or is safety wire required here?
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Not sure I've ever seen only lock washers. Always seen safety wire (old styl
e) or the washers I described. What does parts book show??
On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> I have the overhaul kit from Fresno, (doing final assembly now) ...no such
washers were included.
>
> I ask because I have un-drilled bolts and lock washers, but if the drilled
with safety wire are required, I'll get some.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
Getting bolts/washers, etc. is not the issue. I am asking if any other fast
ener is OK.
Gene, the manual calls out- (41) screw-machine and (42) washer. No mentio
n on drilled or not. The picture LOOKS to be un-drilled.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Hey Terry..
you're right about the lack of detail on the F&G manual... some of the plane is
explained better on the '33 scout drawings... between those two magazines and
photos on the west coast piet site i put it together..
cables inspections will be easy but they are just under your knees in the cockpit
and you have to put your feet in the right places climbing in and out
hoping to taxi soon
jeff
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383414#383414
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Go with the parts book then. Sounds like lock washer is ok.
On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Michael Perez wrote
:
> Getting bolts/washers, etc. is not the issue. I am asking if any other fas
tener is OK.
>
> Gene, the manual calls out (41) screw-machine and (42) washer. No mention
on drilled or not. The picture LOOKS to be un-drilled.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
The very few carbs. I have seen on flying AC have been safety wired. The carb.
with my engine was not. (non drilled heads) So, I thought I would ask what other
alternatives are acceptable. If this carb. had flown as is, someone at some
point must have given it the OK.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Yea, until they work loose............
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Sent: Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:48 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts
Go with the parts book then. Sounds like lock washer is ok.
On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Michael Perez wrot
e:
Getting bolts/washers, etc. is not the issue. I am asking if any other fast
ener is OK.
Gene, the manual calls out (41) screw-machine and (42) washer. No mention
on drilled or not. The picture LOOKS to be un-drilled.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
Thanks for the input guys. I'll go the safety wire way, although I am still curious
if other fasteners are acceptable.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
I would say what the approved data says (the manual) is acceptable. Since
it calls out a washer underneath the screw, and not a lock washer, then the
screw has to be safetied somehow....hence safety wire....
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> Thanks for the input guys. I'll go the safety wire way, although I am
> still curious if other fasteners are acceptable.
>
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Nothing he stated indicated it was not a lock washer
On Sep 18, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> I would say what the approved data says (the manual) is acceptable. Since i
t calls out a washer underneath the screw, and not a lock washer, then the s
crew has to be safetied somehow....hence safety wire....
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Michael Perez
wrote:
> Thanks for the input guys. I'll go the safety wire way, although I am stil
l curious if other fasteners are acceptable.
>
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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>
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
| From: | "namrednos" <namrednos(at)yahoo.com> |
Jeff, if you get a chance take some pictures of the control cables inside the plane
under your feet.
Thanks
Scott in Independence, KY
tables made,
18 ribs complete
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| From: | Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Moontown Fly In Fun |
Finely I got to get the Piet to a fly In First on since the tornad
o hit it ant Sun-N-Fun 2011. Its been back in the air for a while but first
time I had the time to get her out. Weather stopped me from getting to Tri
ple Tree. Great day of flying to and back from Moontown..
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Moontown Fly In Fun |
Looks great Frank..Congratulations. Gardiner
--- On Tue, 9/18/12, Frank Metcalfe wrote:
From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Moontown Fly In Fun
Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2012, 6:14 PM
Finely I got to get the Piet to a fly In First on since the tornad
o hit it ant Sun-N-Fun 2011. Its been back in the air for a while but first
time I had the time to get her out. Weather stopped me from getting to Tri
ple Tree. Great day of flying to and back from Moontown..
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Moontown Fly In Fun |
Congratulations Frank; its nice to see you have it flying again. Your Piet is a
very good looking and I like the air shot.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Covering the Pietenpol Wing Bottom |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Just something I though worthy of sharing with the group and to open up the
topic for comments from veteran builders-
I've heard comments about the challenge (anxiety) of covering a concave
shaped wing bottom. I just got off the phone with Dan Stewart of Stewart
Systems. I asked Dan for advice on the best way to handle the under camber
covering. First though, I measured the farthest distance the fabrik would
pull away by running a string from the leading edge to the trailing edge on
the wing bottom. The greatest distance was 9/16 inch. Dan said this
distance was not great and many builders simply pull it in during the rib
stitching process, well after the final shrink. He said you can also
follow this sequence; lightly glue fabrik to the bottom capstrips by
precoating them with EkoBond then tack with heat after the perimeter is
glued down, lightly iron (about 200F) just to get out the wrinkles, rib
stitch, then shrink at 250 then 315. This is almost exactly as described
in the PolyFiber manual.
Thoughts or better ideas?
Thanks!
--
Greg Bacon
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| Subject: | Re: Covering the Pietenpol Wing Bottom |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Just stitch it. It is a non issue.
On Sep 19, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Greg Bacon wrote:
> Just something I though worthy of sharing with the group and to open up th
e topic for comments from veteran builders-
>
> I've heard comments about the challenge (anxiety) of covering a concave sh
aped wing bottom. I just got off the phone with Dan Stewart of Stewart Syst
ems. I asked Dan for advice on the best way to handle the under camber cove
ring. First though, I measured the farthest distance the fabrik would pull a
way by running a string from the leading edge to the trailing edge on the wi
ng bottom. The greatest distance was 9/16 inch. Dan said this distance was
not great and many builders simply pull it in during the rib stitching proc
ess, well after the final shrink. He said you can also follow this sequence
; lightly glue fabrik to the bottom capstrips by precoating them with EkoBo
nd then tack with heat after the perimeter is glued down, lightly iron (abou
t 200F) just to get out the wrinkles, rib stitch, then shrink at 250 then 31
5. This is almost exactly as described in the PolyFiber manual.
>
> Thoughts or better ideas?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Greg Bacon
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Covering the Pietenpol Wing Bottom |
I did it per the second technique you listed, but I think just stitching it
would be fine.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Bacon
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering the Pietenpol Wing Bottom
Just something I though worthy of sharing with the group and to open up the
topic for comments from veteran builders-
I've heard comments about the challenge (anxiety) of covering a concave
shaped wing bottom. I just got off the phone with Dan Stewart of Stewart
Systems. I asked Dan for advice on the best way to handle the under camber
covering. First though, I measured the farthest distance the fabrik would
pull away by running a string from the leading edge to the trailing edge on
the wing bottom. The greatest distance was 9/16 inch. Dan said this
distance was not great and many builders simply pull it in during the rib
stitching process, well after the final shrink. He said you can also follow
this sequence; lightly glue fabrik to the bottom capstrips by precoating
them with EkoBond then tack with heat after the perimeter is glued down,
lightly iron (about 200F) just to get out the wrinkles, rib stitch, then
shrink at 250 then 315. This is almost exactly as described in the
PolyFiber manual.
Thoughts or better ideas?
Thanks!
--
Greg Bacon
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| Subject: | Re: Covering the Pietenpol Wing Bottom |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Glue it, then stitch.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 12:05 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering the Pietenpol Wing Bottom
Just something I though worthy of sharing with the group and to open up the
topic for comments from veteran builders-
I've heard comments about the challenge (anxiety) of covering a concave sha
ped wing bottom. I just got off the phone with Dan Stewart of Stewart Syst
ems. I asked Dan for advice on the best way to handle the under camber cov
ering. First though, I measured the farthest distance the fabrik would pul
l away by running a string from the leading edge to the trailing edge on th
e wing bottom. The greatest distance was 9/16 inch. Dan said this distanc
e was not great and many builders simply pull it in during the rib stitchin
g process, well after the final shrink. He said you can also follow this s
equence; lightly glue fabrik to the bottom capstrips by precoating them wi
th EkoBond then tack with heat after the perimeter is glued down, lightly i
ron (about 200F) just to get out the wrinkles, rib stitch, then shrink at 2
50 then 315. This is almost exactly as described in the PolyFiber manual.
Thoughts or better ideas?
Thanks!
--
Greg Bacon
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Covering the Pietenpol Wing Bottom |
On 9/19/2012 12:05 PM, Greg Bacon wrote:
> Just something I though worthy of sharing with the group and to open
> up the topic for comments from veteran builders-
>
> I've heard comments about the challenge (anxiety) of covering a
> concave shaped wing bottom. I just got off the phone with Dan Stewart
> of Stewart Systems. I asked Dan for advice on the best way to handle
> the under camber covering. First though, I measured the farthest
> distance the fabrik would pull away by running a string from the
> leading edge to the trailing edge on the wing bottom. The greatest
> distance was 9/16 inch. Dan said this distance was not great and many
> builders simply pull it in during the rib stitching process, well
> after the final shrink. He said you can also follow this sequence;
> lightly glue fabrik to the bottom capstrips by precoating them with
> EkoBond then tack with heat after the perimeter is glued down, lightly
> iron (about 200F) just to get out the wrinkles, rib stitch, then
> shrink at 250 then 315. This is almost exactly as described in the
> PolyFiber manual.
>
> Thoughts or better ideas?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Greg Bacon
>
>
Greg,
I shrunk my wings to 350 and just ignored the undercamber. When you then
ribstitch it pulls into place with no problems. I did use anti-chafe
tape on all of my ribs. In the hot weather we had this summer the tape
did not stick very well. I was concerned that in the undercamber area it
would shift before I was able to anchor it permanetly with the fabric
and rib stitching. What I wound up doing is dabbing on a little EkoBond
every few inches on top of the ribs. Once it dried, the anti-chafe tape
stuck very well.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso IN
NX478RS
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | corvair air cooling shrouds |
For my corvair I am having trouble finding a cooling air shroud for the side between
the oil cooler and the rear of the cylinders. I can locate one for the
coil side, but not the oil cooler side.
What is the reason for this shroud? I will be using cub style eyebrows for the
air inlets. On the distributor side the shroud is
necessary to force the cooling air down through the heads. Since I am
using a stock folded 12 fin cooler, wont the cooler do the same for the
left side? I have made shrouds for the left and right sides of the
cooler. Does the shroud on the oil cooler side stop the air from going
between the rear cylinder head and the oil cooler?
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
NX478RS
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Covering the Pietenpol Wing Bottom |
One of the Piet list said that he covered both top and bottom gluing
just around the edges. He then heat shrunk the fabric at 200 degrees.
Then he rib-stiched the entire wing, pulling that 9/16-inch in with the
stitching. Then he heat shrunk at 300 degrees. Fini
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Bacon
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering the Pietenpol Wing Bottom
Just something I though worthy of sharing with the group and to open
up the topic for comments from veteran builders-
I've heard comments about the challenge (anxiety) of covering a
concave shaped wing bottom. I just got off the phone with Dan Stewart
of Stewart Systems. I asked Dan for advice on the best way to handle
the under camber covering. First though, I measured the farthest
distance the fabrik would pull away by running a string from the leading
edge to the trailing edge on the wing bottom. The greatest distance was
9/16 inch. Dan said this distance was not great and many builders
simply pull it in during the rib stitching process, well after the final
shrink. He said you can also follow this sequence; lightly glue fabrik
to the bottom capstrips by precoating them with EkoBond then tack with
heat after the perimeter is glued down, lightly iron (about 200F) just
to get out the wrinkles, rib stitch, then shrink at 250 then 315. This
is almost exactly as described in the PolyFiber manual.
Thoughts or better ideas?
Thanks!
--
Greg Bacon
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: corvair air cooling shrouds |
Rick, I just checked my engine. The left shroud goes between the #2
cylinder and the oil cooler (I also have the 12-plate cooler). You must
have one. The shroud forces the air down through the fins on the #2
cylinder. A shroud should also be built with the opening at least as large
as the area of the top of the oil cooler to force cooling air from the top
of the engine down through the cooler. Clear as mud? C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Schreiber" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: corvair air cooling shrouds
>
>
> For my corvair I am having trouble finding a cooling air shroud for the
> side between
> the oil cooler and the rear of the cylinders. I can locate one for the
> coil side, but not the oil cooler side.
>
> What is the reason for this shroud? I will be using cub style eyebrows for
> the air inlets. On the distributor side the shroud is
> necessary to force the cooling air down through the heads. Since I am
> using a stock folded 12 fin cooler, wont the cooler do the same for the
> left side? I have made shrouds for the left and right sides of the
> cooler. Does the shroud on the oil cooler side stop the air from going
> between the rear cylinder head and the oil cooler?
>
> Rick Schreiber
> Valparaiso, IN
> NX478RS
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Covering the Pietenpol Wing Bottom |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks everyone! Obviously, many different methods work and it's not a big
deal. This thread should be helpful for other newbies like me.
Greg
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Greg Bacon wrote:
> Just something I though worthy of sharing with the group and to open up
> the topic for comments from veteran builders-
>
> I've heard comments about the challenge (anxiety) of covering a concave
> shaped wing bottom. I just got off the phone with Dan Stewart of Stewart
> Systems. I asked Dan for advice on the best way to handle the under camber
> covering. First though, I measured the farthest distance the fabrik would
> pull away by running a string from the leading edge to the trailing edge on
> the wing bottom. The greatest distance was 9/16 inch. Dan said this
> distance was not great and many builders simply pull it in during the rib
> stitching process, well after the final shrink. He said you can also
> follow this sequence; lightly glue fabrik to the bottom capstrips by
> precoating them with EkoBond then tack with heat after the perimeter is
> glued down, lightly iron (about 200F) just to get out the wrinkles, rib
> stitch, then shrink at 250 then 315. This is almost exactly as described
> in the PolyFiber manual.
>
> Thoughts or better ideas?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Greg Bacon
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Greg Bacon
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
I have only worked on 8-10 Strombergs and maybe looked at that many more wh
ile paying attention=2C but every one of them had safety-wired fillister he
ad screws holding the two carb halves together. You're less likely to over
-tighten the fasteners and over-compress the gasket with screws as you are
with bolts that you can put a wrench on=2C but that's not a big problem if
you recognize that the gasket is doing the important work=2C not the fasten
ers.
Michael is an A&P=2C so he understands the concept.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Medford=2C OR
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
Thanks Oscar. There are tools out there so that you can use a wrench to tig
hten screws in place of screw drivers. (ratchet, actually.)- But I agree
the use of a hand held screw driver will help prevent over tightening.
-
A few things I have noticed while doing this carb. overhaul:
-
The bodies are, in fact held with screws. There is a torque value given for
those screws. So, how does one set a torque on a hand held screw driver?
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The float level is supposed to be set to within +/- 1/64".- I would imagi
ne that the ever so slight error in leveling the float bowl in any directio
n would blow this tight tolerance.-
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The manual states to set float level, then safety wire the needle seat. The
act of adding the safety wire will now alter the float level...more than 1
/64"?
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The carb is simple in design, but there are a lot of small items that need
to be attended too:
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Type of fuel used and float needle need to be compatable.
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Float needle and seat need to be compatable.
Number stamped on carb must match type engine being installed on. (A-65 -V-
say an O-200)
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Numbers on metering jets, nozzles, venturi size,-etc. must also match up
with carb. number/engine used.
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Various orifice holes need to be checked against drill hole size on chart f
or specific carb. number/engine use.
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My carb. is now assembled and ready to be installed on intake. (I need 4 st
uds put in first.)
-
I hope is works!
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Douwe Blumberg Please |
Douwe, I received and email from "you" that seemed quite odd and it had a very
strange looking attached link. Did you send it to me? I am guessing not and if
not, someone is using your email address.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: corvair air cooling shrouds |
On 9/19/2012 3:55 PM, C N Campbell wrote:
>
>
> Rick, I just checked my engine. The left shroud goes between the #2
> cylinder and the oil cooler (I also have the 12-plate cooler). You
> must have one. The shroud forces the air down through the fins on the
> #2 cylinder. A shroud should also be built with the opening at least
> as large as the area of the top of the oil cooler to force cooling air
> from the top of the engine down through the cooler. Clear as mud? C
>
> -
Chuck,
I do understand now. The gap between the rear of the engine and the oil
cooler would be too large without the shroud. I also posted the question
on the CorvAircraft site had had someone offer a set to me which I will
be using.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Douwe Blumberg Please |
| From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
I received one also I did not open it as it was out of the ordinary and appe
ared as his email list was hacked. I suppose we should let Douwe respond to
that
John
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 20, 2012, at 9:22 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
>
> Douwe, I received and email from "you" that seemed quite odd and it had a v
ery strange looking attached link. Did you send it to me? I am guessing not a
nd if not, someone is using your email address.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Douwe Blumberg Please |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Douwe's e-mail account has been hacked and spammers are sending crap to his mailing
list. Not sure what he can do at this point. Ryan Mueller, computer guru,
are you there???
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Douwe Blumberg Please |
| From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
Well that confirms my suspicions
I suspect that to put an end to it, we do not open anything from him directly.
Hopefully it will die on its own if we don't open it so it doesn't hack our systems
and continue.
Just an uneducated thought to stop it
John
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 20, 2012, at 10:26 AM, "dgaldrich" wrote:
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list. Not sure what he can do at this point. Ryan Mueller, computer guru,
are you there???
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
| From: | Matthew <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000RZ1D86
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> The bodies are, in fact held with screws. There is a torque value given fo
r those screws. So, how does one set a torque on a hand held screw driver?
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Mike
A couple of things.
1. Snap-On makes a calibrated torque screwdriver that does things in inch-ounces.
Seen pictures but no mechanic I know has one.
2. According to the guru at Oshkosh, the part numbers on the base of the NAS3
carbs are aircraft specific. He says if you take a carb from a Cub A-65 and put
it on a TCraft A65, you're in violation of the Type Certificate. We don't
care. Chalk one up for "experimental".
3. The castings for all the NAS3 carbs are virtually identical. The displacement
of the engine it's used on determines venturi size and jetting so you can
put a 1 3/8 inch venturi for a C-85 or Corvair in a carb that came off a C-65
(1 1/4 inch). As long as the jets and throat size match, it'll be ok.
4. I'm pretty sure all O-200's came with the Marvel Dribbler MA3-SPA, certainly
all the C-150's did. The almost identical C-85 (ask Douwe) used the Stromberg.
One of life's mysteries.
Hope this is useful information. It's at least useless trivia.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Douwe Blumberg Please |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
All he has to do is change his password and it will stop
On Sep 20, 2012, at 10:26 AM, "dgaldrich" wrote:
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list. Not sure what he can do at this point. Ryan Mueller, computer guru,
are you there???
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| Subject: | Re: Douwe Blumberg Please |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
John
I prefer castration of the guys who did it. A bit medieval but what the heck.
Dave
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
Seems there are tools for every situation. Thanks!
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
Agreed!
-I mention all this because a built carb with it's numbers stamped on it
may be the correct one to use with an A-65, -75, -80...whatever the case ma
y be. The reality of it is that the internals, over the years, may have bee
n switched out and no longer match the stamped numbers on the outside. If p
eople are having troubles with their engine/carburetor, this may be part of
the issue.
I was fortunate enough that my carb. body number stampings are correct for
the a-65 engine.- Checking all of the internal part numbers and hole size
s against that particular carb./engine chart confirmed the assembly is CONF
IGURED correctly for said engine. (numbers matching...for us car guys.)
Carbs. reconfigured in certain ways need to be identified...like with a 1"
painted circle on the body, but again over time, these marks wear off or th
e tech. decides not to add them.
Just some FYI for those who may not know.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Douwe Blumberg Please |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I got on the phone and called Douwe directly, in case the hacking had also affected
his computer and did not allow him to access the forum. He is aware of it
and is having it dealt with by a technician.
Just thought I would go direct, but post it here so as to prevent anyone else from
calling unnecessarily, as he is aware of the problem.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
The aileron cables run on the outside of the upper wing.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Yes, my email was hacked!!
I apologize for the emails which were sent over the last couple of days.
Douwe
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Yes, my computer was hacked. sorry for the spam messages everyone's been
getting. I was away with my phone off and returned to like thirty messages
saying "hey was your computer hacked?"
Sorry.
Douwe
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
I am thinking of safety wiring the mix control on my marvel carb' I never g
o =0Aover 5 thousand feet so I don't want to lean it out. What is the best
way to =0Asafety it? Cheers, Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________
_________=0AFrom: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>=0ATo: Pietenpol List
=0ASent: Wed, September 19, 2012 10:46:56 PM
=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts=0A=0A=0AI have only worked
on 8-10 Strombergs and maybe looked at that many more while =0Apaying atten
tion, but every one of them had safety-wired fillister head screws =0Aholdi
ng the two carb halves together.- You're less likely to over-tighten the
=0Afasteners and over-compress the gasket with screws as you are with bolts
that =0Ayou can put a wrench on, but that's not a big problem if you recog
nize that the =0Agasket is doing the important work, not the fasteners.=0A
-=0AMichael is an A&P, so he understands the concept.=0A-=0AOscar Zunig
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| Subject: | Re: spam apology |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Douwe
No need to apologize. This is one of the hazards of the digital age, sort of like
burnt toast.
Dave
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: spam apology |
In a message dated 9/20/2012 8:11:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "dgaldrich"
Douwe
No need to apologize. This is one of the hazards of the digital age, sort
of like burnt toast.
Dave
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Can't bring it down
Daddy
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: spam apology |
Not your fault. How did you fix the issue?
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: spam apology |
I'm down with that! I'm next! Perhaps I can get the master craftsman to make me
a small hood ornament for my plane...?
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
It sounds like you have a NAS3A - something. The 3B does not have the mixtu
re control and that location is just blocked off with an aluminum plate. Th
ere are no internals inside at all. You can remove the mixture hardware and
block it off, but I am not sure how/if you would need to re-name the carb.
- If you decide later to go back, or sell the carb., just leave the name
the same and reassemble it.
To answer you question more directly, the mixture would need to be wired fu
ll open, (rich) to the nearest bolt, nut, etc.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
He has a Marvel Schebler=85=85.different carb, different manufacturer
On Sep 21, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Michael Perez
wrote:
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mixture control and that location is just blocked off with an aluminum
plate. There are no internals inside at all. You can remove the mixture
hardware and block it off, but I am not sure how/if you would need to
re-name the carb. If you decide later to go back, or sell the carb.,
just leave the name the same and reassemble it.
>
> To answer you question more directly, the mixture would need to be
wired full open, (rich) to the nearest bolt, nut, etc.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
Ah yes, he did mention that it was a Marvel...I missed it.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Douwe Blumberg Please |
I got the same e mail and responded to it, big mistake, now my computer wont
work from home. I'm at Mc Donalds now till I get this computer thing
figured out.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Douwe Blumberg Please
>
>
> I got on the phone and called Douwe directly, in case the hacking had also
> affected his computer and did not allow him to access the forum. He is
> aware of it and is having it dealt with by a technician.
>
> Just thought I would go direct, but post it here so as to prevent anyone
> else from calling unnecessarily, as he is aware of the problem.
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> Semper Fi,
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> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Upper wing?
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
Well yes Bill, who the heck would run them on the outside of the lower wing..duh
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Wife's first flght |
Good going Adrian!
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Real Low and Slow flying |
Pietsters:
While this is technically not a post about a Pietenpol subject, it
qualifies as it is a photo of a real low and slow airplane - er, at least
at the moment. This shot of the shuttle on top of the 747 carrier
aircraft was taken near Lancaster, CA on the shuttle's last trip to its
new home. Note the two chase aircraft. It pays to have kids close to
Edwards AFB.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
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| Subject: | Re: Douwe Blumberg Please |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
At the Piet Fly-In, my system was hacked and they changed my password so to access
the contacts was impossible. a few of you got an Email from me , saying I
was in Spain and lost my wallet, please send $2300.00.
I have changed my address and password.
Don't send money--YET.
Pieti Lowell
Don't archive
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| Subject: | Re: Douwe Blumberg Please |
| From: | "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com> |
I don't know why people have to cause others so much trouble to have fun. But if
I could catch some of them it would be a while before they could use their hands.
They need to get out from under the rocks they live under and get a job.[/b]
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Building steel fuselage aircamper.
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| Subject: | Corvair College 24, 9-11 November in South Carolina |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Bob Dewenter mentioned this event a couple of weeks back. Shelley and I will be
there. I'm told Mr. Beck and his group do a great job as hosts.
I've only been to one college, the one we hosted earlier this year, and it was
a bunch of fun and a great opportunity for learning and camaraderie. Gary Boothe's
been to 5. At this point I think he attends for the social aspects.
If you're thinking about using a Corvair these events are invaluable to your research.
If you're going to use a Corvair these events start moving towards mandatory.
You get hands-on help from experienced builders and the Corvair experts.
An additional benefit is that you establish yourself as a serious builder
with the experts, and that's very helpful.
We're tickled. Look forward to seeing you there.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Anyone building in the Boise ID area? |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
I plan to be in that area soon, and just checking to see if anyone there can get
epoxy to set in the winter :o)
Maybe looking to move to the area. We have some friends moving there today, and
we're driving their car to deliver it to them soon and checking it out.
It's GOTTA be better than CA right now...
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone building in the Boise ID area? |
My brother lives just West of Boise in Meridian. His winters aren't too bad down
into the 30's. Brian. SLC-UT
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Roberts [mailto:mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 05:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone building in the Boise ID area?
I plan to be in that area soon, and just checking to see if anyone there can get
epoxy to set in the winter :o)
Maybe looking to move to the area. We have some friends moving there today, and
we're driving their car to deliver it to them soon and checking it out.
It's GOTTA be better than CA right now...
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone building in the Boise ID area? |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks. We've been looking in Meridian too.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Initial Carb. Settings |
My NAS3 carb. is now rebuilt and installed. I am wondering what a good init
ial setting is between the idle mixture screw and throttle stop for the fir
st run.- I know that adjusting either one will effect RPM at idle, so I a
m looking for a good starting point. (as it were...)
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Tach. and Angle Drive For Sale NEW! |
I am selling both my Mitchell Tach. and angle drive unit. Both items are ne
w and have never been operated. Tach is still in box with papers and sweep
stickers.- Angle drive has instructions on reversing the drive rotation.
Tach. is CW rotation, but with the changeable angle drive you can use the a
ssembly for CW or CCW rotation.- Angle drive unit has been re-greased and
operates smoothly. (An issue with lack of grease in some.)
2-1/4" Mitchell Tach. # 10-02046-- ($209.00)
Angle Drive #D407010-- ($68.00)
Both items bought from ACS. Email me or check out ACS if you want more inte
l.
Selling both at ASC prices but will ship free to any of the contiguous Unit
ed States.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Initial Carb. Settings |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
I Googled that for you:
http://www.cessna120-140.org/forum/download.php?id=1651
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> My NAS3 carb. is now rebuilt and installed. I am wondering what a good
> initial setting is between the idle mixture screw and throttle stop for the
> first run. I know that adjusting either one will effect RPM at idle, so I
> am looking for a good starting point. (as it were...)
>
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> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Initial Carb. Settings |
Thanks Ryan, got it.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Initial Carb. Settings |
Thanks for this info. I wish you had included the next page where it said
"now for the Marvel......"
Barry
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Initial Carb. Settings
I Googled that for you:
http://www.cessna120-140.org/forum/download.php?id=1651
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Michael Perez
wrote:
My NAS3 carb. is now rebuilt and installed. I am wondering what a good
initial setting is between the idle mixture screw and throttle stop for the
first run. I know that adjusting either one will effect RPM at idle, so I
am looking for a good starting point. (as it were...)
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone building in the Boise ID area to mark robers |
hi mark ilike to know wend you move to boise id, I like to return you ribs
jig and say godbay too is realy bad losed another god friend seyou jorge fr
om hanford=0A=0A=0AFrom: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenp
ol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:53 PM=0ASubjec
t: Pietenpol-List: Re: Anyone building in the Boise ID area?=0A=0A--> Piete
npol-List message posted by: "Mark Roberts" =0A=0ATh
anks. We've been looking in Meridian too.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onl
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| Subject: | EAA Calendar photo |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hey Guys,
Check out eaa.org for the Oct. '12 calendar photo!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | EAA Calendar photo |
NICE!!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 5:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA Calendar photo
Hey Guys,
Check out eaa.org for the Oct. '12 calendar photo!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Calendar photo |
THAT....IS....TOOOOO....COOL!!!!!!
Fantastic!
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Sep 28, 2012 7:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA Calendar photo
Hey Guys,
Check out eaa.org for the Oct. '12 calendar photo!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | EAA Calendar photo |
Very Very Very nice, and I like the picture too.
Barry Davis
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 8:24 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: EAA Calendar photo
NICE!!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 5:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA Calendar photo
Hey Guys,
Check out eaa.org for the Oct. '12 calendar photo!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Calendar photo |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Way cool Dan! Got it displayed proudly on my work desktop.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Calendar photo |
| From: | Robert Bush <rbush96589(at)aol.com> |
Great photo Dan! I am flying over to beech river airport in the morning for t
heir fly in. If you're looking for something to do tomorrow come on down.
Randy Bush
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 28, 2012, at 7:14 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Hey Guys,
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> Check out eaa.org for the Oct. '12 calendar photo!
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Calendar photo |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Excellent, Dan! Congrats on being included in the calendar.
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Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Calendar photo |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Awesome Dan..... Those black and yellow Germans at it again....!!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Dan's Pietnpol for our October Calendar |
Finally EAA made a fantastic choice Dan:)! Way to go fella. For those of
you who have not
yet seen Dan's great photo it can be found here: http://eaa.org/wallpap
er/
Just one question Dan-who is the terrified young copilot in the front seat?
On second look I saw
that it was probably the high-g climbing turn that made his expression like
that!
Really nice---
Mike C.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dan's Pietnpol for our October Calendar |
Very vice indeed! Motivational for sure!
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Calendar photo |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
And I think that's my grandson Anthony in the front seat....
Makes it even more worthwhile and memorable.
Dave Aldrich
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Calendar photo |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Darn... It's still a great photo...
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Dan's Pietnpol for our October Calendar |
Mike
The GAL in the front seat is Kyle Cole - a 13 year old Civil Air Patrol mem
ber, who is working on her glider rating :)
I asked her about it - she said she was surprised at how warm it was with t
he heat coming through the radiator.
Cheers
Jon Apfelbaum
-----Original Message-----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC]
Sent: Fri, Sep 28, 2012 10:41 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dan's Pietnpol for our October Calendar
Finally EAA made a fantastic choice DanJ! Way to go fella. For those of
you who have not
yet seen Dan=99s great photo it can be found here: http://eaa.org
/wallpaper/
Just one question Dan=94who is the terrified young copilot in the fro
nt seat? On second look I saw
that it was probably the high-g climbing turn that made his expression like
that!
Really nice---
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Calendar photo |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Not my grandson's flight but I am sending it on to him. He will be thrilled.
Jon Coxwell
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: new fast track project.Baby Lakes |
Hi Shad,
Well=C2- its not a Pietenpol and its not a Corvair;... but it is a neat a
irplane. Congratulations!
Jim B.
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
This isnt the way I do things.
Dick
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| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Hehe, I can attest to that.
However, I have flown with a few captains with that philosophy!
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
The weather was beautiful in Minnesota this weekend. With the help of
fellow Piet pilots Bob Poore and Norm Tesmar we introduced a group from
the Alpha Gamma Delta sorority at the Univ. of Minnesota to the joys of
Pietenpol flying.
Greg Cardinal
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| Subject: | Re: Nice weekend |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Yes, it does look like it was a beautiful day for flying in an open cockpit! I
certainly hope someone was kind enough to assist the passengers to enter and
exit the cockpit. It can be a bit of a chore trying it solo, and oftentimes a
helping hand is called for.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Nice weekend |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
I want to be like Greg Cardinal when I grow up!
--------
Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Calendar photo |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Gorgeous airplane, superb photography. Speaking of which, can anyone confirm that
"our" Jon Apfelbaum (the fellow who shot the photo of Dan and his plane) is
the same Jon Apfelbaum who shot the photos that the FAA and NTSB used to positively
determine the sequence of events leading up to the fateful crash of Jimmy
Leeward's P-51, "Galloping Ghost", at Reno?
I've seen parts of the report and analysis and the reconstruction and analysis
are very, very detailed. Some of the key elements of the analysis were founded
on a series of photos of the airplane as it rolled. The photos showed the elevator
trim tab as it fluttered and detached. They also showed Leeward apparently
slumped in the cockpit. The photos were credited to Jonathan Apfelbaum.
If it's the same Jon Apfelbaum, then it's Dr. Jon Apfelbaum, emergency room physician,
who was one of the first medical responders at the site of the crash.
You just don't read about those types of actions in the news or on TV.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone building in the Boise ID area to mark robers |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Jorge!
We are not sure we are going to move, but we were looking at the area because we
were driving a friends car up to them since they just moved here. We are flying
back tomorrow night.
I have wondered how your work was going, and plan to call you this week to say
hi. No hurry on the jig!!
Let's talk this week. I'll call you.
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Nice weekend |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Me too. [Shocked]
Billy McCaskill wrote:
> I want to be like Greg Cardinal when I grow up!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Nice weekend |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
MAN! I GOT to try this!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sun, Sep 30, 2012 9:59 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nice weekend
The weather was beautiful in Minnesota this weekend. With the help of fello
w Piet pilots Bob Poore and Norm Tesmar we introduced a group from the Alph
a Gamma Delta sorority at the Univ. of Minnesota to the joys of Pietenpol f
lying.
Greg Cardinal
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| Subject: | Re: Nice weekend |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Greg - You are living right!
Thanks for sharing the pic.
Greg Bacon
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Greg Cardinal wrote:
> **
> The weather was beautiful in Minnesota this weekend. With the help of
> fellow Piet pilots Bob Poore and Norm Tesmar we introduced a group from the
> Alpha Gamma Delta sorority at the Univ. of Minnesota to the joys of
> Pietenpol flying.
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
--
Greg Bacon
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Nice weekend |
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| Subject: | Re: Nice weekend |
| From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
Is that the November picture?
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 1, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Greg Bacon wrote:
> Greg - You are living right!
>
> Thanks for sharing the pic.
>
> Greg Bacon
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Greg Cardinal wro
te:
>> The weather was beautiful in Minnesota this weekend. With the help of fel
low Piet pilots Bob Poore and Norm Tesmar we introduced a group from the Alp
ha Gamma Delta sorority at the Univ. of Minnesota to the joys of Pietenpol f
lying.
>>
>> Greg Cardinal
>
>
>
> --
> Greg Bacon
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Hey folks! This weekend I finished the final shrink on the wing fabric and
began rib stitching. Arbitrarily, I chose to use round rib lacing cord.
The cord seems to be prone to twisting, making it difficult
(frustrating!!) to dress the knots properly. The thick waxy coating also
makes it sticky to handle.
Is the flat cord easier to handle? What did you guys use?
Thanks.
--
Greg Bacon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
Flat. Pn 09-03818 from AIrcraft Spruce.....
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Bacon
Sent: Oct 1, 2012 9:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
Hey folks! This weekend I finished the final shrink on the wing fabric and began
rib stitching. Arbitrarily, I chose to use round rib lacing cord. The cord
seems to be prone to twisting, making it difficult (frustrating!!) to dress
the knots properly. The thick waxy coating also makes it sticky to handle.
Is the flat cord easier to handle? What did you guys use?
Thanks.
--
Greg Bacon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | rib lacing cord - round vs |
flat
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>Sent: Oct 1, 2012 9:18 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
>
>Flat. Pn 09-03818 from AIrcraft Spruce.....
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>From: Greg Bacon
>
>Sent: Oct 1, 2012 9:06 AM
>
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
>
>
>Hey folks! This weekend I finished the final shrink on the wing fabric and began
rib stitching. Arbitrarily, I chose to use round rib lacing cord. The cord
seems to be prone to twisting, making it difficult (frustrating!!) to dress
the knots properly. The thick waxy coating also makes it sticky to handle.
>
>Is the flat cord easier to handle? What did you guys use?
>Thanks.
>
>--
>Greg Bacon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Greg - I used round and didn't find it particularly difficult to work with with
some practice. Have never used the flat cord but I'm guessing it would not be
easier and you'd have to make sure there were no twists where it showed on the
outside. Others who have used it will correct me as necessary, of course.
Congratulations on getting to that step in your process. I found it took me about
an hour per rib & I used duct tape on my pinky to keep from bleeding.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
I used the round riblacing cord. Didn't find any particular problem with it
twistinig, but I didn't use very long lengths - maybe 6' at a time
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Bacon
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
Hey folks! This weekend I finished the final shrink on the wing fabric and
began rib stitching. Arbitrarily, I chose to use round rib lacing cord.
The cord seems to be prone to twisting, making it difficult (frustrating!!)
to dress the knots properly. The thick waxy coating also makes it sticky to
handle.
Is the flat cord easier to handle? What did you guys use?
Thanks.
--
Greg Bacon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Nice weekend |
And I thought all those "first Pietenpol flight" messages were motivating!!
I'm going to the shop......
----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cardinal
Sent: Sep 30, 2012 10:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nice weekend
The weather was beautiful in Minnesota this weekend. With the help of
fellow Piet pilots Bob Poore and Norm Tesmar we introduced a group from the
Alpha Gamma Delta sorority at the Univ. of Minnesota to the joys of Pietenpol
flying.
Greg Cardinal
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
Greg: When I took the EAA Sportair Workshop on fabric covering they let us try
both the round and the flat cord just to see which we liked best. Out of a class
of 25, as I recall, we all chose the flat as easier to work with. One of
the benefits is that the flat surface is a little easier on your fingers but
you still needed some finger protection after working for a while. The part of
your finger needing protection is the part where the string rubs when you pull
the knots tight.
Stinemetze
>>> "kevinpurtee" 10/1/2012 8:21 AM >>>
Greg - I used round and didn't find it particularly difficult to work with with
some practice. Have never used the flat cord but I'm guessing it would not be
easier and you'd have to make sure there were no twists where it showed on the
outside. Others who have used it will correct me as necessary, of course.
Congratulations on getting to that step in your process. I found it took me about
an hour per rib & I used duct tape on my pinky to keep from bleeding.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Calendar photo |
Oscar,
He is the one and the same....Photographer and Doctor. He used to work
with my wife in the ER at Lakeview Hospital here in Utah. He lives
Colorado now. His father has a hangar at our little Skypark airport just
North of SLC.
Brian
SLC-UT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
taildrags
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: EAA Calendar photo
-->
Gorgeous airplane, superb photography. Speaking of which, can anyone
confirm that "our" Jon Apfelbaum (the fellow who shot the photo of Dan
and his plane) is the same Jon Apfelbaum who shot the photos that the
FAA and NTSB used to positively determine the sequence of events leading
up to the fateful crash of Jimmy Leeward's P-51, "Galloping Ghost", at
Reno?
I've seen parts of the report and analysis and the reconstruction and
analysis are very, very detailed. Some of the key elements of the
analysis were founded on a series of photos of the airplane as it
rolled. The photos showed the elevator trim tab as it fluttered and
detached. They also showed Leeward apparently slumped in the cockpit.
The photos were credited to Jonathan Apfelbaum.
If it's the same Jon Apfelbaum, then it's Dr. Jon Apfelbaum, emergency
room physician, who was one of the first medical responders at the site
of the crash. You just don't read about those types of actions in the
news or on TV.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
On 10/1/2012 8:06 AM, Greg Bacon wrote:
> Hey folks! This weekend I finished the final shrink on the wing
> fabric and began rib stitching. Arbitrarily, I chose to use round rib
> lacing cord. The cord seems to be prone to twisting, making it
> difficult (frustrating!!) to dress the knots properly. The thick waxy
> coating also makes it sticky to handle.
>
> Is the flat cord easier to handle? What did you guys use?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Greg Bacon
>
>
Greg,
I used round cord also. As Kevin stated, the twisting issue goes away
with a little practice. I just made sure my final loop was small before
I pulled the knot tight. For finger protection I used Johnson &
Johnson's adhesive tape. I used the newer easier to tear tape. Getting
help during the heat wave we had this summer was difficult, so most of
the time I just rib stitched by myself. The hardest part was keeping
clear of the the full length cord when I started a run.
Rick Schreiber
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Nice weekend |
Way to go Greg; someone has to take responsibility for introducing young people
to Piet open cockpit flying! Keep up the good work.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
I have destructively tested my glue joints and woodwork. They're outstanding.
If you listen to me on nothing else, listen to me on that subject.
My welding's turned out to be pretty darn good, too, in spite of evidence to the
contrary:).
I apologize for using an attachment but that was the best way to effectively format
the information.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Some can fling it farther...some can fling it higher...but, making it stick, that's
the key!
Gary from Cool
------Original Message------
From: Kevin Purtee
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery
Sent: Oct 1, 2012 8:55 AM
I have destructively tested my glue joints and woodwork. They're outstanding.
If you listen to me on nothing else, listen to me on that subject.
My welding's turned out to be pretty darn good, too, in spite of evidence to the
contrary:).
I apologize for using an attachment but that was the best way to effectively format
the information.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Re: Nice weekend |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
------Original Message------
From: Jim Markle
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nice weekend
Sent: Oct 1, 2012 6:29 AM
And I thought all those "first Pietenpol flight" messages were motivating!!
I'm going to the shop......
----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cardinal
Sent: Sep 30, 2012 10:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nice weekend
The weather was beautiful in Minnesota this weekend. With the help of
fellow Piet pilots Bob Poore and Norm Tesmar we introduced a group from the
Alpha Gamma Delta sorority at the Univ. of Minnesota to the joys of Pietenpol
flying.
Greg Cardinal
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
I have no experience with the round cord, as I stitched with the flat. When it
came time to put down the finish tape, I noticed a few stitches did in fact twist.
Not wanting to cut and re-do the stitching, I continued with the finish tape.Tthere
is no way to tell which stitches lay flat and which may have twisted.
I doubt anyone can tell once taped and painted who used round and who used
flat. (Just guessing...as like I said, I've not used the round cord.)
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Thanks for sharing this information Kevin. Those last couple of photos aren't
easy to look at, knowing where they came from... but the details offer a bit of
confidence.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I used round and had no trouble, except for stepping on it twice and "rrrrr
rrrrrippp". But the finish tape covered it OK.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 8:32 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
Greg: When I took the EAA Sportair Workshop on fabric covering they let us
try
both the round and the flat cord just to see which we liked best. Out of a
class of 25, as I recall, we all chose the flat as easier to work with. On
e of
the benefits is that the flat surface is a little easier on your fingers bu
t you
still needed some finger protection after working for a while. The part of
your
finger needing protection is the part where the string rubs when you pull t
he
knots tight.
Stinemetze
>>> "kevinpurtee" 10/1/2012 8:21 AM >>>
il>
Greg - I used round and didn't find it particularly difficult to work with
with
some practice. Have never used the flat cord but I'm guessing it would not
be
easier and you'd have to make sure there were no twists where it showed on
the
outside. Others who have used it will correct me as necessary, of course.
Congratulations on getting to that step in your process. I found it took m
e
about an hour per rib & I used duct tape on my pinky to keep from bleeding.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384371#384371
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
I used the round cord when I rebuilt my PA22/20 back in the '80's. I
did not notice any twist and it certainly didn't show through the tape.
C
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
I have no experience with the round cord, as I stitched with the
flat. When it came time to put down the finish tape, I noticed a few
stitches did in fact twist. Not wanting to cut and re-do the stitching,
I continued with the finish tape.Tthere is no way to tell which stitches
lay flat and which may have twisted. I doubt anyone can tell once taped
and painted who used round and who used flat. (Just guessing...as like I
said, I've not used the round cord.)
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
We used the flat waxed cord on ours. I have used both and I like the flat b
etter. I lays low and you just about cant see it under the finish tape. I h
ave stiched like 8 planes with the flat and two or three with the round. If
you unroll the roun and the flat it will help with the twisting. If you pu
ll it off the side it will pertwist the cord and make it harder to work wit
h. The waxed works better thea the dry. The dry will break as up pull your
knots. The nylon on nylon will cut the cord.
--- On Mon, 10/1/12, Greg Bacon wrote:
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
Date: Monday, October 1, 2012, 9:06 AM
Hey folks! -This weekend I finished the final shrink on the wing fabric a
nd began rib stitching. -Arbitrarily, I chose to use round rib lacing cor
d. -The cord seems to be prone to twisting, making it difficult (frustrat
ing!!) to dress the knots properly. -The thick waxy coating also makes it
sticky to handle.
Is the flat cord easier to handle? -What did you guys use?
Thanks.
--
Greg Bacon
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I forgot to mention a very important consideration to this whole rib stitch
thing.
What kind of cord did Bernard use?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
We used the flat waxed cord on ours. I have used both and I like the flat b
etter. I lays low and you just about cant see it under the finish tape. I h
ave stiched like 8 planes with the flat and two or three with the round. If
you unroll the roun and the flat it will help with the twisting. If you pu
ll it off the side it will pertwist the cord and make it harder to work wit
h. The waxed works better thea the dry. The dry will break as up pull your
knots. The nylon on nylon will cut the cord.
--- On Mon, 10/1/12, Greg Bacon wrote:
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
Date: Monday, October 1, 2012, 9:06 AM
Hey folks! This weekend I finished the final shrink on the wing fabric and
began rib stitching. Arbitrarily, I chose to use round rib lacing cord.
The cord seems to be prone to twisting, making it difficult (frustrating!!)
to dress the knots properly. The thick waxy coating also makes it sticky
to handle.
Is the flat cord easier to handle? What did you guys use?
Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
Damnedifiknow .............
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
Date: Monday, October 1, 2012, 5:00 PM
I forgot to mention a very important-consideration to this whole rib stit
ch thing.
-
What kind of cord did Bernard use?
-
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
We used the flat waxed cord on ours. I have used both and I like the flat b
etter. I lays low and you just about cant see it under the finish tape. I h
ave stiched like 8 planes with the flat and two or three with the round. If
you unroll the roun and the flat it will help with the twisting. If you pu
ll it off the side it will pertwist the cord and make it harder to work wit
h. The waxed works better thea the dry. The dry will break as up pull your
knots. The nylon on nylon will cut the cord.
--- On Mon, 10/1/12, Greg Bacon wrote:
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
Date: Monday, October 1, 2012, 9:06 AM
Hey folks! -This weekend I finished the final shrink on the wing fabric a
nd began rib stitching. -Arbitrarily, I chose to use round rib lacing cor
d. -The cord seems to be prone to twisting, making it difficult (frustrat
ing!!) to dress the knots properly. -The thick waxy coating also makes it
sticky to handle.
Is the flat cord easier to handle? -What did you guys use?
Thanks.
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
See Gary, I told you if you tried hard you could be just like me! You made
it!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: gboothe5 <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 4:25 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
I'm glad Dan mentioned that about tripping over the chord! I'm just like hi
m!
Gary
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
I used round and had no trouble, except for stepping on it twice and "=rr
rrrrrrrrippp". But the finish tape covered it OK.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 8:32 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
"TOM STINEMETZE" >
Greg: When I took the EAA Sportair Workshop on fabric covering they let us
try
both the round and the flat cord just to see which we liked best. Out of a
class of 25, as I recall, we all chose the flat as easier to work with. On
e of
the benefits is that the flat surface is a little easier on your fingers bu
t you
still needed some finger protection after working for a while. The part of
your
finger needing protection is the part where the string rubs when you pull t
he
knots tight.
Stinemetze
>>> "kevinpurtee" <
kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> 10/1/2012 8:21 AM >>>
il>
Greg - I used round and didn't find it particularly difficult to work with
with
some practice. Have never used the flat cord but I'm guessing it would not
be
easier and you'd have to make sure there were no twists where it showed on
the
outside. Others who have used it will correct me as necessary, of course.
Congratulations on getting to that step in your process. I found it took m
e
about an hour per rib & I used duct tape on my pinky to keep from bleed
ing.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Fly-in this weekend in PA |
For those in the area please come join us this weekend for a fun relaxing time in beautiful central PA. This is the 10th annual Fall Fly-in/ Camp-in at the Centre Airpark (N16) in Centre Hall, PA. Free camping Friday and Saturday nights. Saturday breakfast, hay ride to nearby farm for lunch, pot luck dinner, campfire, movies, and more. Sunday fly out to Lock Haven for their breakfast. More scrapbook photos and details at www.eaa1327.org or just give me a call.
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(814) 769-1941
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| Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I haven't noticed the twisting to be an issue, nor noticable with flat.
It's easier to pull on for long lengths of time.
The instructions on how to cover a Pitts 12 (the big round engine one) wing says
to use round because it's stronger... but I'm not sure I agree with it.
I just got done helping rib stitch B-17 control surfaces, they're 250mph stitched
every inch surfaces, we used flat.
For a Piet, just go with personal preference.
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| Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
| From: | "gabenner" <gbenner(at)bixbymachine.com> |
Hey guy's! Look on youtube for Pemberton and son's aviation. His wife does a great
video using the flat cord and also using the Beech Staggerwing knot. If I
remember correct they used the flat for a better finish on the plane because you
can flatten it out after it's been tied.
Thanks
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Calendar photo |
Ummm.... yeah Oscar. That's me.
But don't tell my mom. She thinks I play piano in a brothel.
Actually the Reno pics were mine, and my girlfriend's (now fiance), EA-18G
Growler avionics wizard, Julia Kirchenbauer. Her's are the better pics. S
he stepped up after the crash at Reno and got involved. The Navy gave her
a medal for her actions. Nice to see her recognized. It was a bad day.
Thanks for the kind words
CHeers
Jon
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From: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Sep 30, 2012 9:40 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: EAA Calendar photo
Gorgeous airplane, superb photography. Speaking of which, can anyone confi
rm
that "our" Jon Apfelbaum (the fellow who shot the photo of Dan and his plan
e) is
the same Jon Apfelbaum who shot the photos that the FAA and NTSB used to
positively determine the sequence of events leading up to the fateful crash
of
Jimmy Leeward's P-51, "Galloping Ghost", at Reno?
I've seen parts of the report and analysis and the reconstruction and analy
sis
are very, very detailed. Some of the key elements of the analysis were fou
nded
on a series of photos of the airplane as it rolled. The photos showed the
elevator trim tab as it fluttered and detached. They also showed Leeward
apparently slumped in the cockpit. The photos were credited to Jonathan
Apfelbaum.
If it's the same Jon Apfelbaum, then it's Dr. Jon Apfelbaum, emergency room
physician, who was one of the first medical responders at the site of the c
rash.
You just don't read about those types of actions in the news or on TV.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Everyone, thanks for your input on this topic. It made for a fun Monday,
and I learned quite a bit more about cord. Guess I'll stick with the
round, since I have 490 more yards of it and a roll of the flat is 45
bucks!!
Greg Bacon
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Frank Metcalfe wrote:
> Damnedifiknow .............
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 10/1/12, helspersew(at)aol.com * wrote:
>
>
> From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com>
>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Monday, October 1, 2012, 5:00 PM
>
>
> I forgot to mention a very important consideration to this whole rib
> stitch thing.
>
> What kind of cord did Bernard use?
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:43 pm
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
>
> We used the flat waxed cord on ours. I have used both and I like the
> flat better. I lays low and you just about cant see it under the finish
> tape. I have stiched like 8 planes with the flat and two or three with the
> round. If you unroll the roun and the flat it will help with the twisting.
> If you pull it off the side it will pertwist the cord and make it harder to
> work with. The waxed works better thea the dry. The dry will break as up
> pull your knots. The nylon on nylon will cut the cord.
>
> --- On *Mon, 10/1/12, Greg Bacon http://us.mc1849.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gbacon67@gmail.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com<http://us.mc1849.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gbacon67@gmail.com>
> >
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc1849.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Monday, October 1, 2012, 9:06 AM
>
> Hey folks! This weekend I finished the final shrink on the wing fabric
> and began rib stitching. Arbitrarily, I chose to use round rib lacing
> cord. The cord seems to be prone to twisting, making it difficult
> (frustrating!!) to dress the knots properly. The thick waxy coating also
> makes it sticky to handle.
>
> Is the flat cord easier to handle? What did you guys use?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
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| Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Yes, that's the knot I'm using. Wendy does a good job teaching it in her
video. It's much much easier than the modified "insane" knot.
Greg
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:18 PM, gabenner wrote:
> >
>
> Hey guy's! Look on youtube for Pemberton and son's aviation. His wife does
> a great video using the flat cord and also using the Beech Staggerwing
> knot. If I remember correct they used the flat for a better finish on the
> plane because you can flatten it out after it's been tied.
>
> Thanks
> Gary
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384426#384426
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I will echo the sentiments of others: those photos, and the information that they
contain, were obtained at great cost. However, they -and your comments on
them- are invaluable to others.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Calendar photo |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Oscar,
We all know what Fly_By_Wire is, but we used to call the Prowler "Fly_By_Committee".
That poor pilot was outgunned 3 to 1 by those NFO's.
We also used to say, "Never trust an NFO that doesn't wear glasses. You don't know
what's wrong with him."
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: round vs. Flat Lacing |
| From: | woodflier(at)aol.com |
Greg, like Kevin, I used the round and didn't find it hard to work with. O
n a Piet, I don't think the fact that you can see the stitches after you're
finished a bit more with the round makes a difference. When I had to do a
field repair to an elevator at Oshkosh this year, I used the flat, and I di
d have to make sure it wasn't twisted going over the ribs. On future coveri
ngs, I'll probably stay with the round cord.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Thanks Kevin for lots of stuff (sent you an off list email) but thanks most
for taking the time to share this info with us all.
I don't think one could put a price on this hard-won, real-world knowledge
which will help builders stay safe!
Good going man.
D
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | what did BHP use to rib stitch?? |
Well, knowing BHP's propensity for depression era "thrift", here's a few of
his rib-stitching possibilities.
1. Used Dental floss, scrounged from the city dump or his dentist buddy
(oops, probably hadn't been invented)
2. Threads from an old greasy rag he unraveled.
3. horse hair scrounged from the local plow horse
4. Rib-Stitching cord salvaged from a busted up "crate" which had
"come-a-cropper" and been pushed behind a hangar at the field back in 1919.
5. Or, most likely.. Some sort of round thread/cord that he "felt" was
touch enough.
Absolutely "no archive"
Douwe
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery |
Hi Kevin,
Thanks for the information and photos of FBG's damage. I would say Garys wood struts
have definitely proven themselves as up to the task. It is also a good indication
of the strength of the Piet design.
How is the rebuild coming now?
Cheers to you and Shelley.
Jim B.
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Folks..
I have a question for you Piet guru's...
I've been flying my A65 powered GN-1 for over a yr now. I am not 100% comfortable
w/having to put a big trim tab on the rudder..even in cruise flight. I even
built a rear view mirrow to watch it while trundling along enroute to the local
cafe's. That little wood fixed vert-stab can't be all that strong w/lots of
rudder in at climb/some at cruise...
..then I recently watched Waldo Pfeiffer and noticed the scene they filmed flying
down Main St in Elgin, texas back during filming in '74...noticing the huge
offset in the Jenny stab to accomodate the 200hp Hisso's they used in place of
the weak ol' 90 horse OX-Fivers..(the scene where Axel is screaming; "Marybeth!".....
"Marybethhh!")
1. How much is the right amount of offset for the A65?
2. Anyone else have this concern?
I'm just eyeballing it, figuring any offset is better than none, but don't want
too much either. I am starting with just over a half inch (9/16")..
I attached a short vid. Somewhere about mid-vid, I shine camera into mirror to
watch it, but the video appears to show less rudder than it seems to require in
real life. (rudder deflection not as pronounced in real life). Will attempt
foto attachment as well... Thx in advance, Larry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SBy6z9W5wE
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| Subject: | Re: Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery |
| From: | Gmail <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
I agree. Thanks Kevin. It's very generous of you to share this info.
Greg Bacon
Garratt Callahan
gbacon@g-c.com
(573)489-4795
On Oct 2, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Jim Boyer wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
>
> Thanks for the information and photos of FBG's damage. I would say Garys w
ood struts have definitely proven themselves as up to the task. It is also a
good indication of the strength of the Piet design.
>
> How is the rebuild coming now?
>
> Cheers to you and Shelley.
>
> Jim B.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Observations on Plans-Built Aileron Hinges |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
I used the hardware store strap hinges. Had a guy at work tack the loops closed
for me. (My welding was not that subtle at that point.) We used 2" packing
tape for gap seals. All of this worked great for over 300 hours and three wing-tip
dragging episodes (two right, one left). Despite this abuse, the strap
hinges proved very durable.
We had the chance to thoroughly inspect the hinges during recovery ops. The aileron
on the right side was intact but was stripped from the wing. The aileron
on the left side was completely intact and still attached to the wing. The
hinges on the right side aileron were still firmly attached. Didn't check the
wing side hinges on that side. The hinges on the left side were still firmly
attached on both sides. The left wing was thoroughly damaged but the aileron
and the hinges were in great shape. I had a brief fantasy about ripping the
aileron off with my hands. Fat chance. Very durable.
More information to consider.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Quick Update on the Plane & Me & Shelley |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
FBG: The tail woodwork repair is complete. Hinges are re-attached. Need to rebuild
the control horns. Metal's coming for that. Wood and metal for the center
section are ordered. A very generous individual sent me a complete set of
Charlie Rubeck wing ribs. I have all the wing spars and the fuselage longerons
in the garage. An EXTRAORDINARILY generous individual sent me the better part
of a corvair motor with most of the conversion parts (unbelievable!). WW
will use that as a basis for my engine rebuild. We hope to run the engine at
Corvair College 24 in SC in November.
Me: I'm fine. I limp, cannot run, and fatigue a little quicker than before, but
I'm at 90%. Hope to be running by the end of the year. I flew my friend's
Wichhawk on Friday with no problems, then spent the next 2 hours working on it,
crawling underneath, reaching into the guts, etc. The trim system bowden cable
jammed. Hope to fix it this weekend so I can fly it again.
Shelley: completely recovered. Doing the band-Mom thing full throttle with her
boy and having a ball.
Once again, thank you all for your kind thoughts, prayers and support.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
So.... taxiing with a skid is interesting..
I have individual brakes but i think i need a little more leverage... so longer
levers are coming... its not too bad turning..forward stick and a blast of air
works pretty well...
getting closer
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jeff
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| From: | 1planeguy <1planeguy(at)kilocharlie.us> |
Any members of the Big Piet builders group from Georgia on this list?
Would like to ask a couple of questions...
Jeremy Casey
jeremy(at)kilocharlie.us
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| Subject: | Re: Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Kevin
Thank you for your most excellent post. Your observations and pics came at an
opportune moment. I am currently working on the turtle deck and had built mine
about to the original FBG height because I like the look of the slightly lower
turtle deck. The new one now in the jig will be 9 inches above the longerons
at the peak, exactly the same height as the forward arches. My shoulder harness
attach points will be about the same distance behind the seats as you used.
Again thank you for your willingness to share what must be a rather unpleasant
experience.
Dave Aldrich
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hey Jeff,
Very cool. Looks great! You want to use the official Piet list Industrial
Fish Scale to test the lbs. of thrust? I can shoot it up to you in one day
UPS.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Tue, Oct 2, 2012 2:36 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: skid taxi
>
So.... taxiing with a skid is interesting..
I have individual brakes but i think i need a little more leverage... so lo
nger
levers are coming... its not too bad turning..forward stick and a blast of
air
works pretty well...
getting closer
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jeff
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
that could be fun.... i'm seeing about 1800 rpm at full throttle now
feels windy
jeff
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
I have about 1/2 inch in mine and its not quite enough.
Ben Charvet
NX866BC (140 hrs)
On 10/2/2012 1:06 PM, TriScout wrote:
>
> Hi Folks..
>
> I have a question for you Piet guru's...
>
> I've been flying my A65 powered GN-1 for over a yr now. I am not 100% comfortable
w/having to put a big trim tab on the rudder..even in cruise flight. I even
built a rear view mirrow to watch it while trundling along enroute to the local
cafe's. That little wood fixed vert-stab can't be all that strong w/lots
of rudder in at climb/some at cruise...
>
> ..then I recently watched Waldo Pfeiffer and noticed the scene they filmed flying
down Main St in Elgin, texas back during filming in '74...noticing the huge
offset in the Jenny stab to accomodate the 200hp Hisso's they used in place
of the weak ol' 90 horse OX-Fivers..(the scene where Axel is screaming; "Marybeth!".....
"Marybethhh!")
>
> 1. How much is the right amount of offset for the A65?
> 2. Anyone else have this concern?
>
> I'm just eyeballing it, figuring any offset is better than none, but don't want
too much either. I am starting with just over a half inch (9/16")..
>
> I attached a short vid. Somewhere about mid-vid, I shine camera into mirror to
watch it, but the video appears to show less rudder than it seems to require
in real life. (rudder deflection not as pronounced in real life). Will attempt
foto attachment as well... Thx in advance, Larry
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SBy6z9W5wE
>
>
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>
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| From: | Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Big Piet group |
Sure we are here--... ask away
--- On Tue, 10/2/12, 1planeguy <1planeguy(at)kilocharlie.us> wrote:
From: 1planeguy <1planeguy(at)kilocharlie.us>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big Piet group
Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 3:43 PM
Any members of the Big Piet builders group from Georgia on this list?
Would like to ask a couple of questions...
Jeremy Casey
jeremy(at)kilocharlie.us
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
Mark,
Nice job on the landing gear and vise setup article.
Thanks
John
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jeff,
Send me you address off-list. (Hangar?)
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Tue, Oct 2, 2012 6:17 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: skid taxi
>
that could be fun.... i'm seeing about 1800 rpm at full throttle now
feels windy
jeff
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
I'm not really looking to get rid of the trim tab completely. Just hoping to tone
it down to a small trim tab without such a big bend in it. I think that half
inch should about do the trick.
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Magazine |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
I agree... Has not thought to tie into the removable vice grips - nice....!!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
That's awsome... your replies give me a nice warm fozzy. ..will see how she handles
after the annual.
I thought about cracking out the oxy-acetyline torch and tossing together a new
set of tailfeathers using 4130, but this should do the trick...or atleast do
just that little vertical stab out of 4130 and keep the rest wood.
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| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Well, my corvair engine is almost buttoned up. I have installed the breather ports
from the valve cover and have my Bosch starter & bracket of my own design
on and ready to go. I am planning on bringing the engine to CC24 to run on a
test stand.
I also finished building my air/oil separator yesterday out of a couple of bean
cans. It is similar to the Tony Bingelis design. It turned out great, light
weight, very cheap (under $10) and looks much like the A.S. $250 dollar model.
I had a great conversation with William Wynn last evening and I think I have all
bases covered. Now the biggest problem is getting it into the back of my Dodge
Caliber for the trip to SC and resetting the head lights to compensate for
the extra weight.
I am getting excited about the possibility of running the engine. This will be
my second Corvair College and they are great. I highly recommend them to anyone
who is building a corvair engine or serious about doing so. There is so
much to be gained from WW, his staff or volunteers, and other builders.
When I return from CC24 the engine will go on the airframe to check weight and
balance, then off again so I can begin covering. I have the fuselage and one
wing yet to cover.
Jon Coxwell, (100 hp - GN-1 Aircamper, really a Pietenpol)
Remsen, NY
coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | <don.h(at)wcoil.com> |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 progress |
Now listen to this guy (he is thinking of all the other drivers on the
pike ( He is )
resetting the head lights to compensate for the extra weight.
he gets a star in my book one of my bigest bug at night is the bright
lights on cars as they blind you
THANKS JOHN
73 w8zrz
-----Original Message-----
From: coxwelljon
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 progress
Well, my corvair engine is almost buttoned up. I have installed the
breather ports from the valve cover and have my Bosch starter & bracket of
my own design on and ready to go. I am planning on bringing the engine to
CC24 to run on a test stand.
I also finished building my air/oil separator yesterday out of a couple of
bean cans. It is similar to the Tony Bingelis design. It turned out great,
light weight, very cheap (under $10) and looks much like the A.S. $250
dollar model.
I had a great conversation with William Wynn last evening and I think I have
all bases covered. Now the biggest problem is getting it into the back of
my Dodge Caliber for the trip to SC and resetting the head lights to
compensate for the extra weight.
I am getting excited about the possibility of running the engine. This will
be my second Corvair College and they are great. I highly recommend them
to anyone who is building a corvair engine or serious about doing so. There
is so much to be gained from WW, his staff or volunteers, and other
builders.
When I return from CC24 the engine will go on the airframe to check weight
and balance, then off again so I can begin covering. I have the fuselage
and one wing yet to cover.
Jon Coxwell, (100 hp - GN-1 Aircamper, really a Pietenpol)
Remsen, NY
coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Quick Update on the Plane & Me & Shelley |
Shelley glad to see Aedan is playing in the band. I also played all through high
school and am still playing in a local community band. Its a great way to enjoy
music all through your life. I play the euphonium (commonly called Baritone
even though that is not correct).
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
Larry,
When I bought Felix the GN1 it had almost no offset and a steel trim tab
bent almost 90 degrees, and it required quite a bit of right rudder. I
replaced the trim tab with an alum tab bent about 40 degrees, I belive much
more than 40 does no good. I still had to fly with right rudder. The next
move was to offset the vert stab 7/8". Still had to hold right rudder. I
wound up making the right rudder cable shorter, to fool my feet into
thinking they are holding neutral rudder. The combination of the 3
adjustments did the trick, Felix flys great.
All Piets and Gregas fly a little different, your GN1 may not need as many
adjustments, do any changes in small steps and have fun.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: TriScout <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Date: 10/2/2012 1:07:46 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vert-Offset
>
>
> Hi Folks..
>
> I have a question for you Piet guru's...
>
> I've been flying my A65 powered GN-1 for over a yr now. I am not 100%
comfortable w/having to put a big trim tab on the rudder..even in cruise
flight. I even built a rear view mirrow to watch it while trundling along
enroute to the local cafe's. That little wood fixed vert-stab can't be all
that strong w/lots of rudder in at climb/some at cruise...
>
> ..then I recently watched Waldo Pfeiffer and noticed the scene they
filmed flying down Main St in Elgin, texas back during filming in
'74...noticing the huge offset in the Jenny stab to accomodate the 200hp
Hisso's they used in place of the weak ol' 90 horse OX-Fivers..(the scene
where Axel is screaming; "Marybeth!"..... "Marybethhh!")
>
> 1. How much is the right amount of offset for the A65?
> 2. Anyone else have this concern?
>
> I'm just eyeballing it, figuring any offset is better than none, but
don't want too much either. I am starting with just over a half inch
(9/16")..
>
> I attached a short vid. Somewhere about mid-vid, I shine camera into
mirror to watch it, but the video appears to show less rudder than it seems
to require in real life. (rudder deflection not as pronounced in real
life). Will attempt foto attachment as well... Thx in advance, Larry
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SBy6z9W5wE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384480#384480
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery |
Hi Shelley,
Really glad to see you are both making great progress and Kevin is improving physically.
It sounds like everything is in good hands. Hope to see you both next
year in Brodhead.
All my best,
Jim B.
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Reading Ben and Jerry's replies to my post really helps by interpolation ..
Ben has an A65-8 like I do, has 1/2" displacement = not quite enough
Jerry has an 0-235 with 3/4" displacement = perfect/no trim tab
So I figure my A65-8 and 9/16" displacement should = about right
Will be interesting to see how it pans out in flight..
Yet another example as to how helpful/informative/valuable this forum is :-)
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Skip...
Yes I had noticed my bigger trim tab ran out of effectiveness after about a 45
deg bend, exactly as you write. I'll be quite happy w/a happy medium.
In gusty turbulence with that rear view mirror I installed, I do feel concerned
in large yaw's when I see that little vert-stab deflecting left and right. Then
I have to realize that this airframevdoes have 700hrs, so I suppose that little
vertical stab did prove itself. I'm probably over thinking it .... Like whole
global warming thing...
Thank you for replying... Very helpful stuff
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I am curious...
to all you guys using rudder trim tabs and/or vert. stab. offset, any idea
how much, if any, engine mount offset you may have?- I wonder... if there
isn't any, or maybe very little, that may be leading to the need for trim
tabs and vert. stab. offset.
I put in some right thrust in the engine mount upon construction...wonder i
f I have enough.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 progress |
I would be interested in seeing your started bracket and air/oil separator. I like
seeing what others are designing/custom building on their own.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 progress |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Michael,
I will take some pictures and post them when I get a chance. The air oil separator
is a pretty straight forward adaptation from a Tony Bengelis sketch that
I found on the net. I just used the materials I had on hand, literally 2 Goya
black bean cans (the ones with the rounded bottoms so they stack), a 12" piece
of 1/2" rigid copper tubing, a piece of 3/8" soft copper tubing, a 1/4" fender
washer and a scrap 1/4" carriage bolt. I had to buy an assortment of large
o-rings for $2 and cut one down to size. The inside element is window screen
and 2 copper Chore Girls. I have to admit that it took several hours of scratching
my head and looking on the internet to figure it out and then I had to
learn how to use some silver solder I had on very thin material. Time will tell
if it is an effective design but unless there is something very different inside
the Aircraft Spruce model this should work the same.
My starter was the result of purchasing a used VW geared starter that had the right
size pinion gear and turned counter clockwise. Again I just used material
out of my scrap bin. The whole assembly is a little heavier than WW's. I think
his starter weight is about 8 lbs and I would guess his aluminum brackets
are about 8 to 10 oz. My completed assemble is 10.25 lbs and has a base made
3/16" bent steel plate. It is quite rigid and easily adjusted with shims under
the anchor bolts. I did use a lighter top cover which gains me back a 1/2
lb. I used the lighter cover only because it came with my project. When I get
the pictures It will tell what the story.
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
The DAR in this area told me that as a rule of thumb if you sight along the axis
of the vert stab the line should hit about 25% in from the longeron at the firewall.
Right or left depending on whether you are using a clockwise or counter
clock wise turning engine. This guy works a lot on cubs and short wing pipers,
but remember this is just a rule of thumb and a place to start.
The vert. stab on the GN-1 is well braced close to the hinge post. I suspect it
will take a lot more horizontal force than you think.
Jon Coxwell
Corvair powered GN-1
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Wow, you guys with planes that have self-commencers are something else. Starters,
batteries, man.
You mean you can actually sit IN your cockpit and start your engines? Whew...what
the heck will they
think of next? !
Used to hand prop a Kinner on a friend's Fleet like this Ryan has...those impulse
mags were NICE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xobamf7EY0&feature=related
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Speedbrake- No engine mount offset
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I'll pass along my experience with vertical stabilizer offset. Scout origi
nally had an A65=2C no vertical stabilizer offset=2C and had a bent metal r
udder trim tab on it. The airplane required feet on the rudder bar and a l
ittle pressure to keep it straight at all times=2C and would yaw in straigh
t & level flight if feet were taken off the bar. The A75 made no detectabl
e difference in rudder demand.
First attempt at deleting the rudder trim tab was to offset the VS just abo
ut the amount most of the others are talking about... 1/2". It was about a
ll the offset I felt comfortable putting in=2C because the rear spar remain
s fixed and you're essentially torquing the VS to move the leading edge of
it over. Test-flew=2C it helped but still required rudder.
Next attempt was to offset the engine thrustline. Offset was essentially z
ero when we started=2C and is now about 2 degrees right and I have no bent
metal rudder trim tab anymore. The airplane is very nearly a feet-flat-on-
the-floor flyer in cruise now. I could keep tweaking it with a tad more en
gine thrustline offset.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Medford=2C OR
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Piet data plates |
Folks=3B
I've had a most delightful email exchange with British Pieter Gerry Holland
over the last couple of months. It started out with the beautiful cooling
eyebrows on his A75 since the eyebrows on Scout are presently sporting one
unresolved fatigue crack on a mounting tab and another stop-drilled fatigu
e crack on the other side. Gerry pointed me to the source for his authenti
c and sturdy eyebrows and I have a set ordered and on their way=2C which sh
ould put an end to my cracks for good.
In the process of sorting out the eyebrows=2C Gerry mentioned how he'd like
to see a nice set of oval brass plates riveted to the (polished aluminum)
eyebrows on his airplane. This led me to researching what it would take to
make small oval "Air Camper" brass plates for mounting here or there on ou
r Piets. I've worked out all of the details and artwork with Denny Demeter
at AvGrafix and he is currently producing them for me. As soon as I get a
sample=2C I'll post photos and pricing and see if anyone is interested in
buying them=2C especially since I've ordered a production run of them =3Bo)
They are not data plates... they are simply oval brass accent plates that
identify the aircraft as an Air Camper. Gerry gets the first one of them
=2C and he'll get the second one of the pair when he brings me a pint of hi
s favorite stout or ale when I'm in the UK =3Bo)
I still have the larger brass data plates available and since I was getting
down to my last dozen of them=2C I've ordered a new production run of thos
e as well. It looks like Air Campers will continue to be built for years t
o come=2C so I'd better have enough on hand to keep them on the market. Sa
me price as always=2C ten bucks=2C and information on the data plates is av
ailable at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/dataplate.html . The one that
I have installed in the front cockpit of Scout has developed a very nice pa
tina and adds a nice touch to the airplane. I'm undecided whether to insta
ll a pair of the new=2C smaller oval Air Camper plates to each of the new c
ooling eyebrows on my airplane=2C but I might.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Medford=2C Oregon
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: GN-1 progress |
Thanks Jon, looking forward to the pictures...no hurry.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet data plates |
"...Gerry pointed me to the source for his
authentic and sturdy eyebrows and I have a set ordered and on their way,
which should put an end to my cracks for good."
Any chance we may have the intel. on said source? If the price is right, I may
be interested.
Thanks Oscar.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Vert. Offset/Engine Thrust |
Thanks to those who supplied their engine mount offset numbers. (or lack of)
Oscar's post in the Vert. Stab thread demonstrates why I asked the engine offset
question. Those having no engine thrust offset may benefit from adding some
washers or custom made spacers to their engine mounts. Perhaps then, the twisted
vert. stab. can be relaxed and/or the trim tab can be made smaller or removed.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Vert. Offset/Engine Thrust |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Good point
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384617#384617
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| From: | "Robert Dewenter" <rdewenter(at)woh.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Experimentor (new format) |
Just in case you have not read "experimenter" in the past, or recently, it
has a new format and the October issue was just published. I think it is a
very good publication - and getting better.
http://experimenter.epubxp.com/i/84816
Bob Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: Piet data plates |
| From: | steve emo <steve.emo58(at)gmail.com> |
me too, maybe for an o-200 too...
steve
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> "...Gerry pointed me to the source for his authentic and sturdy
> eyebrows and I have a set ordered and on their way, which should put an end
> to my cracks for good."
>
> Any chance we may have the intel. on said source? If the price is right, I
> may be interested.
>
> Thanks Oscar.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> **
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Continental engine cooling eyebrows |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
The eyebrows that Gerry has on his airplane, and that I'm going to install on mine,
are from Falcon Aircraft-
http://www.falconaircraft.cz/en
I paid $300USD for them, shipped from Europe. Attached is a picture of Gerry's.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384635#384635
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/gerry_108.bmp
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| Subject: | oil pressure A75 Continental |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Can anyone help with part numbers for a pressure sending unit and oil
pressure gauge for my A75. I'm sure it's the same as the A65.
Thanks!
--
Greg Bacon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | gcardinal(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: oil pressure A75 Continental |
Use a manual gauge, no sender needed. Aircraft Spruce sells a Rochester 0 -
80 gauge, part #10-00015, that looks right but the catalog is scant on con
nection info.
Fittings and tubing can be purchased from McMaster-Carr. You will need 1 ea
ch of the following:
8967K86 (10' of copper tubing)
50915K311 (compression fitting that screws into the engine case)
50915K211 (compression fitting that screws onto the back of the gauge)
Once your engine is running bleed all of the air out of the tubing by VERY
slowly loosening the fitting at the gauge.
If the tubing is full of air the gauge will be slow to respond on engine st
art-up.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Bacon" <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 1:09:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: oil pressure A75 Continental
Can anyone help with part numbers for a pressure sending unit and oil press
ure gauge for my A75. =C2-I'm sure it's the same as the A65.
Thanks!
--
Greg Bacon
==
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: oil pressure A75 Continental |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Excellent! Thanks Greg
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 3:09 PM, wrote:
> Use a manual gauge, no sender needed. Aircraft Spruce sells a Rochester 0
> - 80 gauge, part #10-00015, that looks right but the catalog is scant on
> connection info.
>
> Fittings and tubing can be purchased from McMaster-Carr. You will need 1
> each of the following:
>
>
> 8967K86 (10' of copper tubing)
>
> 50915K311 (compression fitting that screws into the engine case)
>
> 50915K211 (compression fitting that screws onto the back of the gauge)
>
>
> Once your engine is running bleed all of the air out of the tubing by VERY
> slowly loosening the fitting at the gauge.
>
> If the tubing is full of air the gauge will be slow to respond on engine
> start-up.
>
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Greg Bacon" <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
> *To: *pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 4, 2012 1:09:33 PM
> *Subject: *Pietenpol-List: oil pressure A75 Continental
>
>
> Can anyone help with part numbers for a pressure sending unit and oil
> pressure gauge for my A75. I'm sure it's the same as the A65.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> --
> Greg Bacon
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Greg Bacon
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| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Is it necessary to sand the spruce to a smooth finish, say 400 grit, before I cover
my wings? Or will the fabric cover a rough (100 grit) surface?
--------
John Francis
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384661#384661
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
I used the offset thrust as drawn on the plans. After a few flights I
increased the side thrust a bit with washers. It could still use a
trim tab, but I just rest my right foot on the rudder bar.
Ben
On 10/3/2012 12:12 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
> I am curious...
>
> to all you guys using rudder trim tabs and/or vert. stab. offset, any
> idea how much, if any, engine mount offset you may have? I wonder...
> if there isn't any, or maybe very little, that may be leading to the
> need for trim tabs and vert. stab. offset.
>
> I put in some right thrust in the engine mount upon
> construction...wonder if I have enough.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: oil pressure A75 Continental |
i''m using an oil pressure gauge I bought at Advance Auto Parts. It
comes with plastic tubing, but they sell the copper tubing as well, and
thats what I used. I'm also using a matching Oil Temp gauge.
Ben
On 10/4/2012 2:09 PM, Greg Bacon wrote:
> Can anyone help with part numbers for a pressure sending unit and oil
> pressure gauge for my A75. I'm sure it's the same as the A65.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> --
> Greg Bacon
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! |
Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for
NX308MB
Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over
Phase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when
the time came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my
youth had been replaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my
intent to let someone else have the pleasure of the first flight, but I
couldn=99t ignore the good fortune of finding the right person at
the right time. Certainly it would have been far less expensive to
merely get current, then do my own test flights, and having over 200 hrs
of tail wheel time I wasn=99t concerned about take offs and
landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn=99t quiet that little
voice, and Safety took the lead.
Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few
flights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my
role as =98Crew Chief=99, tweaking, adjusting and repairing
every big and little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you
who have built your own planes can testify, there is no trepidation
about making repairs; and, if you have also built your own engines, you
have confidence there, too. To me, this became the final chapter of the
building processwithout any of the stress of those early
flights.
Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required
40 hours in less than a month. He carried with him the
=98Owner=99s Manual=99 that I had copied from someone
else, making notations and changes where needed. We had long
conversations about his discoveries (this was the first Pietenpol he had
seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Eager to get the
opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much time to
it, and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding what
to expect.
Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight,
tonight, for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started
with me stopping by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy
showed up. We started talking, and, wellyou knowone
thing led to another and pretty soon we up in the air, with me in the
rear cockpit!! The BFR checkride went without issue and, before long, I
was up by myself! I doubt if I am capable of describing those feelings,
or at least doing justice to the whole event (those who have been there
will understand), but I can say that I think it was especially sweet
knowing that I did not need to be concerned about the mechanics or
design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate on my flying.
Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only
that it worked for me. It=99s quite possible that I could have
done my own first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no
lasting bad experiences; but I do know that there were a number of minor
issues that were immediately apparent upon that first lift off, and a
rusty old pilot would have been busy.
I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in
the building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Gary, congratulations. Your wisdom and prudence is a lesson for all of us.
Cheers, Ken
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> ** **
>
> Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB
=85**
> **
>
> ** **
>
> Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over
> Phase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the
> time came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth ha
d
> been replaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let
> someone else have the pleasure of the first flight, but I couldn=92t igno
re
> the good fortune of finding the right person at the right time. Certainly
> it would have been far less expensive to merely get current, then do my o
wn
> test flights, and having over 200 hrs of tail wheel time I wasn=92t conce
rned
> about take offs and landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn=92t quie
t
> that little voice, and Safety took the lead. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few
> flights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my
> role as =91Crew Chief=92, tweaking, adjusting and repairing every big and
> little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have built yo
ur
> own planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making repairs; and
,
> if you have also built your own engines, you have confidence there, too.
To
> me, this became the final chapter of the building process=85without any o
f
> the stress of those early flights. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40
> hours in less than a month. He carried with him the =91Owner=92s Manual
=92 that I
> had copied from someone else, making notations and changes where needed.
We
> had long conversations about his discoveries (this was the first Pietenpo
l
> he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Eager to get the
> opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much time to it,
> and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding what to
> expect.****
>
> ** **
>
> Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight,
> tonight, for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started
> with me stopping by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy
> showed up. We started talking, and, well=85you know=85one thing led to an
other
> and pretty soon we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!! The BFR
> checkride went without issue and, before long, I was up by myself! I doub
t
> if I am capable of describing those feelings, or at least doing justice t
o
> the whole event (those who have been there will understand), but I can sa
y
> that I think it was especially sweet knowing that I did not need to be
> concerned about the mechanics or design of my plane, and needed only to
> concentrate on my flying.****
>
> ** **
>
> Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only
> that it worked for me. It=92s quite possible that I could have done my ow
n
> first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting bad
> experiences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues that
> were immediately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot
> would have been busy.****
>
> ** **
>
> I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in
> the building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight!****
>
> ** **
>
> Gary Boothe****
>
> NX308MB****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *
>
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===========
===========
===========
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Roach <bill.roach(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! |
Gary
=C2-
Congrats I am so glad for you.=C2- Have lots of fun building up your hour
s in the Pietenpol.
=C2-
Your friend Bill
Bill Roach
10110 Hale Ave.
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
Cell Phone #: (408)529-1697
e-mail: bill.roach(at)att.net
--- On Thu, 10/4/12, Gary Boothe wrote:
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one!
Date: Thursday, October 4, 2012, 8:52 PM
=C2-
Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB
=C2-
Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over Pha
se 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the time
came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth had been
replaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let someon
e else have the pleasure of the first flight, but I couldn=99t ignore
the good fortune of finding the right person at the right time. Certainly
it would have been far less expensive to merely get current, then do my own
test flights, and having over 200 hrs of tail wheel time I wasn=99t
concerned about take offs and landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn
=99t quiet that little voice, and Safety took the lead.
=C2-
Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few fli
ghts, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my role
as =98Crew Chief=99, tweaking, adjusting and repairing every bi
g and little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have buil
t your own planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making repairs
; and, if you have also built your own engines, you have confidence there,
too. To me, this became the final chapter of the building processw
ithout any of the stress of those early flights.
=C2-
Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40 h
ours in less than a month. He carried with him the =98Owner=99s
Manual=99 that I had copied from someone else, making notations and
changes where needed. We had long conversations about his discoveries (this
was the first Pietenpol he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flie
s. Eager to get the opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted s
o much time to it, and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in unders
tanding what to expect.
=C2-
Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight, tonight,
for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started with me stopp
ing by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy showed up. We star
ted talking, and, wellyou knowone thing led to another an
d pretty soon we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!! The BFR check
ride went without issue and, before long, I was up by myself! I doubt if I
am capable of describing those feelings, or at least doing justice to the w
hole event (those who have been there will understand), but I can say that
I think it was especially sweet knowing that I did not need to be concerned
about the mechanics or design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate
on my flying.
=C2-
Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only th
at it worked for me. It=99s quite possible that I could have done my
own first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting bad expe
riences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues that were i
mmediately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot would h
ave been busy.
=C2-
I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in the
building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight!
=C2-
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
=C2-
=C2-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! |
Fantastic, Gary! Welcome to a small but growing club. It's truly the best
feeling in the world.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 11:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one!
Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB.
Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over
Phase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the
time came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth had
been replaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let
someone else have the pleasure of the first flight, but I couldn't ignore
the good fortune of finding the right person at the right time. Certainly it
would have been far less expensive to merely get current, then do my own
test flights, and having over 200 hrs of tail wheel time I wasn't concerned
about take offs and landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn't quiet
that little voice, and Safety took the lead.
Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few
flights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my
role as 'Crew Chief', tweaking, adjusting and repairing every big and little
complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have built your own
planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making repairs; and, if
you have also built your own engines, you have confidence there, too. To me,
this became the final chapter of the building process.without any of the
stress of those early flights.
Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40
hours in less than a month. He carried with him the 'Owner's Manual' that I
had copied from someone else, making notations and changes where needed. We
had long conversations about his discoveries (this was the first Pietenpol
he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Eager to get the
opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much time to it,
and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding what to
expect.
Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight, tonight,
for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started with me
stopping by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy showed up. We
started talking, and, well.you know.one thing led to another and pretty soon
we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!! The BFR checkride went
without issue and, before long, I was up by myself! I doubt if I am capable
of describing those feelings, or at least doing justice to the whole event
(those who have been there will understand), but I can say that I think it
was especially sweet knowing that I did not need to be concerned about the
mechanics or design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate on my
flying.
Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only
that it worked for me. It's quite possible that I could have done my own
first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting bad
experiences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues that
were immediately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot
would have been busy.
I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in the
building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! |
Congratulations Gary!! Next year is really going to be something!! ( you A
RE bringing it, aren't you?)
On Oct 4, 2012, at 11:52 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
>
> Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB
>
> Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over Ph
ase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the time
came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth had been r
eplaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let someone e
lse have the pleasure of the first flight, but I couldn=99t ignore the
good fortune of finding the right person at the right time. Certainly it wo
uld have been far less expensive to merely get current, then do my own test f
lights, and having over 200 hrs of tail wheel time I wasn=99t concerne
d about take offs and landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn=99t
quiet that little voice, and Safety took the lead.
>
> Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few fl
ights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my role a
s =98Crew Chief=99, tweaking, adjusting and repairing every big a
nd little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have built yo
ur own planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making repairs; and
, if you have also built your own engines, you have confidence there, too. T
o me, this became the final chapter of the building processwithout a
ny of the stress of those early flights.
>
> Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40 h
ours in less than a month. He carried with him the =98Owner=99s M
anual=99 that I had copied from someone else, making notations and cha
nges where needed. We had long conversations about his discoveries (this was
the first Pietenpol he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Ea
ger to get the opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much
time to it, and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding
what to expect.
>
> Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight, tonight
, for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started with me stopp
ing by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy showed up. We start
ed talking, and, wellyou knowone thing led to another and p
retty soon we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!! The BFR checkride
went without issue and, before long, I was up by myself! I doubt if I am ca
pable of describing those feelings, or at least doing justice to the whole e
vent (those who have been there will understand), but I can say that I think
it was especially sweet knowing that I did not need to be concerned about t
he mechanics or design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate on my fly
ing.
>
> Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only t
hat it worked for me. It=99s quite possible that I could have done my o
wn first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting bad experi
ences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues that were imme
diately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot would have b
een busy.
>
> I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in th
e building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
>
>
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=========
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>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
As with a lot of aspects with building your own plane, the finish is based
on personal taste.- I chose NOT to sand the wood while doing the varnish.
I used a wet rag to wipe down the wood prior to the varnish, which actuall
y raises the grain some. After that, I just applied multiple coats and left
it alone. I personally like the look of the not-so-perfect, mildly rough,
non-glossy finish. Kinda along the lines of what Oscar had mentioned in ano
ther thread.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Thanks.- I added extra engine offset when building the mount, but I guess
I won't know if it is enough until I get the plane in the air.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Tony B. and Rudder Trim Tabs |
FYI, for those using or going to use a trim tab on the rudder; in the blue
TB book, I believe it is page 140, Tony describes on what SIDE of the rudde
r to place the tab depending on needing right or left trim. Basically, the
tab itself is mounted on the side of the rudder that the nose needs to be p
ointed towards.- (the book has a sketch)
I don't know how much of a difference mounting the tab this way has, but it
was enough for Tony to mention it and draw it out.
This may be another way to get the most performance out of the trim tab and
keep it small and/or deflected very little.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Way to go Gary! I might consider the same path when my turn comes.
John
--------
John Francis
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384684#384684
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! |
Awesome Gary! Congrats!
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe
Sent: Oct 4, 2012 11:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one!
Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB Having
not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over Phase 1 testing
to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the time came, that
brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth had been replaced with
a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let someone else have the pleasure
of the first flight, but I couldnt ignore the good fortune of finding the
right person at the right time. Certainly it would have been far less expensive
to merely get current, then do my own test flights, and having over 200 hrs
of tail wheel time I wasnt concerned about take offs and landings, but, for
once in my life, I couldnt quiet that little voice, and Safety took the lead.
Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few flights,
watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my role as Crew
Chief, tweaking, adjusting and repairing every big and little complaint that
the pilot reported. As all of you who have built your own planes can testify,
there is no trepidation about making repairs; and, if you have also built your
own engines, you have confidence there, too. To me, this became the final
chapter of the building processwithout any of the stress of those early flights.
Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40
hours in less than a month. He carried with him the Owners Manual that I had copied
from someone else, making notations and changes where needed. We had long
conversations about his discoveries (this was the first Pietenpol he had seen!),
and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Eager to get the opportunity to fly
myself, I was glad that he devoted so much time to it, and found the extra waiting
time to be helpful in understanding what to expect. Flying with a CFI has
never been relaxing or fun, but that flight, tonight, for me was still exciting
and rewarding. The evening started with me stopping by!
the han
gar to complete some maintenance, when Roy showed up. We started talking, and,
wellyou knowone thing led to another and pretty soon we up in the air, with me
in the rear cockpit!! The BFR checkride went without issue and, before long,
I was up by myself! I doubt if I am capable of describing those feelings, or at
least doing justice to the whole event (those who have been there will understand),
but I can say that I think it was especially sweet knowing that I did
not need to be concerned about the mechanics or design of my plane, and needed
only to concentrate on my flying. Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend
this process to anyone, only that it worked for me. Its quite possible that I
could have done my own first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no
lasting bad experiences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues
that were immediately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot
would have been busy. I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I
have experienced in the building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first
flight! Gary BootheNX308MB
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! |
Gary,
This is great news! You are a steely-eyed missile man now!
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Oct 5, 2012, at 6:09 AM, Gene Rambo wrote:
> Congratulations Gary!! Next year is really going to be something!!
( you ARE bringing it, aren't you?)
>
> On Oct 4, 2012, at 11:52 PM, "Gary Boothe"
wrote:
>
>>
>> Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for
NX308MB=85
>>
>> Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn
over Phase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that,
when the time came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in
my youth had been replaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my
intent to let someone else have the pleasure of the first flight, but I
couldn=92t ignore the good fortune of finding the right person at the
right time. Certainly it would have been far less expensive to merely
get current, then do my own test flights, and having over 200 hrs of
tail wheel time I wasn=92t concerned about take offs and landings, but,
for once in my life, I couldn=92t quiet that little voice, and Safety
took the lead.
>>
>> Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first
few flights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed
to my role as =91Crew Chief=92, tweaking, adjusting and repairing every
big and little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have
built your own planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making
repairs; and, if you have also built your own engines, you have
confidence there, too. To me, this became the final chapter of the
building process=85without any of the stress of those early flights.
>>
>> Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the
required 40 hours in less than a month. He carried with him the =91Owner=92
s Manual=92 that I had copied from someone else, making notations and
changes where needed. We had long conversations about his discoveries
(this was the first Pietenpol he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how
it flies. Eager to get the opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he
devoted so much time to it, and found the extra waiting time to be
helpful in understanding what to expect.
>>
>> Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight,
tonight, for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started
with me stopping by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy
showed up. We started talking, and, well=85you know=85one thing led to
another and pretty soon we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!!
The BFR checkride went without issue and, before long, I was up by
myself! I doubt if I am capable of describing those feelings, or at
least doing justice to the whole event (those who have been there will
understand), but I can say that I think it was especially sweet knowing
that I did not need to be concerned about the mechanics or design of my
plane, and needed only to concentrate on my flying.
>>
>> Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone,
only that it worked for me. It=92s quite possible that I could have done
my own first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting
bad experiences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues
that were immediately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old
pilot would have been busy.
>>
>> I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced
in the building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight!
>>
>> Gary Boothe
>> NX308MB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ========================
>> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> ========================
>> cs.com
>> ========================
>> matronics.com/contribution
>> ========================
>>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | pilot in command, Gary Boothe |
Would the owner/operator of NX308MB please step forward to accept this awar
d......
Here's a huge round of applause for achieving the ultimate dream of every h
omebuilder
Gary: flying your hand-built creation for the very first time. Way to go
bro.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Gary,
Supreme congratulations!! You da Man! Please say how the prop re-pitch wor
ked out.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove IL (till Sunday)
-----Original Message-----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC]
Sent: Fri, Oct 5, 2012 7:36 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: pilot in command, Gary Boothe
Would the owner/operator of NX308MB please step forward to accept this awar
d
Here=99s a huge round of applause for achieving the ultimate dream of
every homebuilder
Gary: flying your hand-built creation for the very first time. Way to go
bro.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! |
Gene =93 I wish the answer was, =9CYes!=9D Next year
my wife=99s side of the family has a family reunion planned that
weekend and I=99m quite sure I would lose a prodigious number of
Pietenpol Points if I went flying instead.I=99m not happy
about that. Whether I flew my Piet or went commercial, I=99ll be
missing your debut and the Black & Yellow squadron fly-over.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one!
Congratulations Gary!! Next year is really going to be something!! (
you ARE bringing it, aren't you?)
On Oct 4, 2012, at 11:52 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for
NX308MB
Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over
Phase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when
the time came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my
youth had been replaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my
intent to let someone else have the pleasure of the first flight, but I
couldn=99t ignore the good fortune of finding the right person at
the right time. Certainly it would have been far less expensive to
merely get current, then do my own test flights, and having over 200 hrs
of tail wheel time I wasn=99t concerned about take offs and
landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn=99t quiet that little
voice, and Safety took the lead.
Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few
flights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my
role as =98Crew Chief=99, tweaking, adjusting and repairing
every big and little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you
who have built your own planes can testify, there is no trepidation
about making repairs; and, if you have also built your own engines, you
have confidence there, too. To me, this became the final chapter of the
building processwithout any of the stress of those early
flights.
Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required
40 hours in less than a month. He carried with him the
=98Owner=99s Manual=99 that I had copied from someone
else, making notations and changes where needed. We had long
conversations about his discoveries (this was the first Pietenpol he had
seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Eager to get the
opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much time to
it, and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding what
to expect.
Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight,
tonight, for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started
with me stopping by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy
showed up. We started talking, and, wellyou knowone
thing led to another and pretty soon we up in the air, with me in the
rear cockpit!! The BFR checkride went without issue and, before long, I
was up by myself! I doubt if I am capable of describing those feelings,
or at least doing justice to the whole event (those who have been there
will understand), but I can say that I think it was especially sweet
knowing that I did not need to be concerned about the mechanics or
design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate on my flying.
Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only
that it worked for me. It=99s quite possible that I could have
done my own first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no
lasting bad experiences; but I do know that there were a number of minor
issues that were immediately apparent upon that first lift off, and a
rusty old pilot would have been busy.
I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in
the building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Congrats Gary! You did it the right way.
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 7:41 AM, wrote:
> Gary,
>
> Supreme congratulations!! You da Man! Please say how the prop re-pitch
> worked out.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove IL (till Sunday)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantag
e
> Partners, LLC]
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Fri, Oct 5, 2012 7:36 am
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: pilot in command, Gary Boothe
>
> Would the owner/operator of NX308MB please step forward to accept this
> award=85=85
> Here=92s a huge round of applause for achieving the ultimate dream of eve
ry
> homebuilder
> Gary: flying your hand-built creation for the very first time. Way to
> go bro.
>
> Mike C.
>
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
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