Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-lm
October 05, 2012 - October 26, 2012
| Subject: | pilot in command, Gary Boothe |
Dan =93 I never did =9Cre-pitch.=9D I only removed
extra meat, and made sure I accurately maintained the pitch I had
planned. The results were dramatic! Since I wasn=99t flying at the
time, I can only report what the pilot reported, which was an increase
of 10-15 mph, and a dramatic cooling effect!
With full power (over 3,000rpm), I can easily increase speed to 85, but
at a comfortable 2700rpm I appear to be cruising at about 72.
Yesterday, at about 80 F, with two people and 16 gallons of fuel, we
were climbing at about 400 fpm.
By myself, (just one take off) climb was at about 700 fpm. I was a
little distracted, though, as my borrowed head set started to blow off;
so, while removing it, it also snagged my bi-focaled safety glasses, so
there I was with no hearing protection, no eye protection, and no
corrective lenses!
Being a =9Csteely-eyed missile man=9D though, as John
Hoffman put it, the absence of these creature comforts did little to
affect the outcome [yawn].
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
| From: | owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com |
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: pilot in command, Gary Boothe
Gary,
Supreme congratulations!! You da Man! Please say how the prop re-pitch
worked out.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove IL (till Sunday)
-----Original Message-----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
(GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC]
Sent: Fri, Oct 5, 2012 7:36 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: pilot in command, Gary Boothe
Would the owner/operator of NX308MB please step forward to accept this
award
Here=99s a huge round of applause for achieving the ultimate dream
of every homebuilder
Gary: flying your hand-built creation for the very first time. Way to
go bro.
Mike C.
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Congratulations Gary,
I finally got logged in again. It is great to hear about your great successes.
Keep it up buddy.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384693#384693
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Way to go Gary!!
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! |
| From: | Robert Bush <rbush96589(at)aol.com> |
Way to go Gary, happy for you!
Randy Bush
NX294RB
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:52 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
>
> Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB
>
> Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over Ph
ase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the time
came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth had been r
eplaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let someone e
lse have the pleasure of the first flight, but I couldn=99t ignore the
good fortune of finding the right person at the right time. Certainly it wo
uld have been far less expensive to merely get current, then do my own test f
lights, and having over 200 hrs of tail wheel time I wasn=99t concerne
d about take offs and landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn=99t
quiet that little voice, and Safety took the lead.
>
> Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few fl
ights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my role a
s =98Crew Chief=99, tweaking, adjusting and repairing every big a
nd little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have built yo
ur own planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making repairs; and
, if you have also built your own engines, you have confidence there, too. T
o me, this became the final chapter of the building processwithout a
ny of the stress of those early flights.
>
> Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40 h
ours in less than a month. He carried with him the =98Owner=99s M
anual=99 that I had copied from someone else, making notations and cha
nges where needed. We had long conversations about his discoveries (this was
the first Pietenpol he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Ea
ger to get the opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much
time to it, and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding
what to expect.
>
> Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight, tonight
, for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started with me stopp
ing by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy showed up. We start
ed talking, and, wellyou knowone thing led to another and p
retty soon we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!! The BFR checkride
went without issue and, before long, I was up by myself! I doubt if I am ca
pable of describing those feelings, or at least doing justice to the whole e
vent (those who have been there will understand), but I can say that I think
it was especially sweet knowing that I did not need to be concerned about t
he mechanics or design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate on my fly
ing.
>
> Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only t
hat it worked for me. It=99s quite possible that I could have done my o
wn first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting bad experi
ences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues that were imme
diately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot would have b
een busy.
>
> I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in th
e building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! |
Nice to hear Gary! Sounds like the plane is dialed in and ready for you to be pilot
in command.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! |
Wow! Congratulations Gary!!!
I think you took the phase 1 40 hours exactly like my former employer; Boeing Airplane
Co., would have a new model aircraft.
I can still remember my first solo flight vividly and that was 59 years ago.
Again congratulations and can't wait to see that beautiful Piet in person.
Jim B.
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe |
Hi Again Gary,
Sounds like your Piet performs very well with your prop. Your climb solo and with
two is good. I don't remember my dad's old Aeronca Champ doing that well.
About the Corvair numbers; you are climbing out at 3000 rpm? Cruising at 2700 rpm
at ~72mph. What static rpm are you getting now that you refined your prop?
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib milestone |
Curt I wish my eyes were that good!
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! |
| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
Great job, Gary!
I will stop in the first weekend that is available. I am anxious to see you
r beautiful plane!
Congratulations.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 4, 2012, at 8:52 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
>
> Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB
>
> Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over Ph
ase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the time
came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth had been r
eplaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let someone e
lse have the pleasure of the first flight, but I couldn=99t ignore the
good fortune of finding the right person at the right time. Certainly it wo
uld have been far less expensive to merely get current, then do my own test f
lights, and having over 200 hrs of tail wheel time I wasn=99t concerne
d about take offs and landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn=99t
quiet that little voice, and Safety took the lead.
>
> Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few fl
ights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my role a
s =98Crew Chief=99, tweaking, adjusting and repairing every big a
nd little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have built yo
ur own planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making repairs; and
, if you have also built your own engines, you have confidence there, too. T
o me, this became the final chapter of the building processwithout a
ny of the stress of those early flights.
>
> Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40 h
ours in less than a month. He carried with him the =98Owner=99s M
anual=99 that I had copied from someone else, making notations and cha
nges where needed. We had long conversations about his discoveries (this was
the first Pietenpol he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Ea
ger to get the opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much
time to it, and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding
what to expect.
>
> Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight, tonight
, for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started with me stopp
ing by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy showed up. We start
ed talking, and, wellyou knowone thing led to another and p
retty soon we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!! The BFR checkride
went without issue and, before long, I was up by myself! I doubt if I am ca
pable of describing those feelings, or at least doing justice to the whole e
vent (those who have been there will understand), but I can say that I think
it was especially sweet knowing that I did not need to be concerned about t
he mechanics or design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate on my fly
ing.
>
> Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only t
hat it worked for me. It=99s quite possible that I could have done my o
wn first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting bad experi
ences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues that were imme
diately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot would have b
een busy.
>
> I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in th
e building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Way to go Gary!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384707#384707
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | pilot in command, Gary Boothe |
Yes, 3000-3100 on climb out. At 2700, cruise appears to be about 72mph.
Since re-conditioning my prop, I have not done a static run-up. My
brakes are still ineffective, but I have new brake linings to install,
as suggested by Dan Helsper.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Boyer
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: pilot in command, Gary Boothe
Hi Again Gary,
Sounds like your Piet performs very well with your prop. Your climb solo
and with two is good. I don't remember my dad's old Aeronca Champ doing
that well.
About the Corvair numbers; you are climbing out at 3000 rpm? Cruising at
2700 rpm at ~72mph. What static rpm are you getting now that you refined
your prop?
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! |
| From: | "caldwrl" <caldwrl(at)etex.net> |
Gary... great job! I can only imagine the feeling at this time, but your example
will lead me on.
I look forward to flying in the same sky with you... someday soon, I hope.
--------
Robert Caldwell
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384712#384712
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Ray =93 The email address I have for you does not appear to be
functioning. Please send me a private note so that I can correct it.
Thanks,
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Krause
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one!
Great job, Gary!
I will stop in the first weekend that is available. I am anxious to see
your beautiful plane!
Congratulations.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 4, 2012, at 8:52 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for
NX308MB
Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over
Phase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when
the time came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my
youth had been replaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my
intent to let someone else have the pleasure of the first flight, but I
couldn=99t ignore the good fortune of finding the right person at
the right time. Certainly it would have been far less expensive to
merely get current, then do my own test flights, and having over 200 hrs
of tail wheel time I wasn=99t concerned about take offs and
landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn=99t quiet that little
voice, and Safety took the lead.
Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few
flights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my
role as =98Crew Chief=99, tweaking, adjusting and repairing
every big and little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you
who have built your own planes can testify, there is no trepidation
about making repairs; and, if you have also built your own engines, you
have confidence there, too. To me, this became the final chapter of the
building processwithout any of the stress of those early
flights.
Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required
40 hours in less than a month. He carried with him the
=98Owner=99s Manual=99 that I had copied from someone
else, making notations and changes where needed. We had long
conversations about his discoveries (this was the first Pietenpol he had
seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Eager to get the
opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much time to
it, and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding what
to expect.
Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight,
tonight, for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started
with me stopping by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy
showed up. We started talking, and, wellyou knowone
thing led to another and pretty soon we up in the air, with me in the
rear cockpit!! The BFR checkride went without issue and, before long, I
was up by myself! I doubt if I am capable of describing those feelings,
or at least doing justice to the whole event (those who have been there
will understand), but I can say that I think it was especially sweet
knowing that I did not need to be concerned about the mechanics or
design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate on my flying.
Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only
that it worked for me. It=99s quite possible that I could have
done my own first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no
lasting bad experiences; but I do know that there were a number of minor
issues that were immediately apparent upon that first lift off, and a
rusty old pilot would have been busy.
I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in
the building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | pilot in command, Gary Boothe |
[bowing..humbly]
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 5:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: pilot in command, Gary Boothe
Would the owner/operator of NX308MB please step forward to accept this
award..
Here's a huge round of applause for achieving the ultimate dream of every
homebuilder
Gary: flying your hand-built creation for the very first time. Way to go
bro.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Gary,
That is awesome news! Congratulations! Being up there by yourself for the first
time is an amazing experience. It's like the thing is finally alive. There
really is no way to fully describe it!
Good luck and be careful!!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384719#384719
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
List,
Below, kind words, no doubt, from my instructor/test pilot. I forward this,
not for the commentary on my own plane because I have been to Brodhead and
have seen true, lasting craftsmanship, but because I think it speaks to the
Pietenpol community as a whole. Roy has done a fair amount of background
reading on Pietenpols, but he really has no inkling about all of you, and
how this could be directed to anyone of you. He has accomplishments which
include CFI, ATP, Rotorcraft and is rumored to have over 15,000 hrs! Pilots
at my airport hale him as "the best stick & rudder instructor" they know (of
course, they don't know you CFI's in Pietenpol Land). His opinion of the
airplanes we build and fly is gratifying.
Funny story: Yesterday, while re-fueling, as usual, I collected some
gawkers. One was a nice old guy who had just flown in in a RV-whatever. He
said,
"It's been a long time since I have seen a Pietenpol, and that's a damn
nice-looking one!"
"It oughta be.it's fresh off the factory floor."
"No kidding? I didn't know they were back in business!"
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: Roy Richardson [mailto:royc_richardson(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:44 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one!
Thanks Gary!
Rarely in a pilot's career does one get the opportunity to meet and fly with
a true craftsman....the whole experience with you and the Piet has been a
real highlight in my career. In one short month, I got to fly a plane that
took me back to how flying must have been in the 20's and 30's...no radios,
cold, loud, windy, incredible. Knowing that the airplane was professionally
built and by someone who paid attention to detail; who listened to my
concerns and complaints and fixed them immediately...no matter how small.
In my opinion, your plan and your execution was perfect!
Watching you leave with the Pietenpol was as, if not more, exciting as
soloing a student for the first time.
You have an amazing gift that you can now completely share with others. You
can now see things the way few people on this Earth can. Enjoy every minute
of time with your amazing airplane!
Thanks again for allowing me to be a part of this great experience!
Roy
_____
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Subject: FW: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one!
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 21:35:39 -0700
Thanks, again, Roy!! Hope your pictures turned out better than mine!
Following is my post to my fellow Pietenpolers.
Gary
From: Gary Boothe [mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 8:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one!
Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB.
Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over
Phase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the
time came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth had
been replaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let
someone else have the pleasure of the first flight, but I couldn't ignore
the good fortune of finding the right person at the right time. Certainly it
would have been far less expensive to merely get current, then do my own
test flights, and having over 200 hrs of tail wheel time I wasn't concerned
about take offs and landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn't quiet
that little voice, and Safety took the lead.
Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few
flights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my
role as 'Crew Chief', tweaking, adjusting and repairing every big and little
complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have built your own
planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making repairs; and, if
you have also built your own engines, you have confidence there, too. To me,
this became the final chapter of the building process.without any of the
stress of those early flights.
Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40
hours in less than a month. He carried with him the 'Owner's Manual' that I
had copied from someone else, making notations and changes where needed. We
had long conversations about his discoveries (this was the first Pietenpol
he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Eager to get the
opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much time to it,
and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding what to
expect.
Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight, tonight,
for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started with me
stopping by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy showed up. We
started talking, and, well.you know.one thing led to another and pretty soon
we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!! The BFR checkride went
without issue and, before long, I was up by myself! I doubt if I am capable
of describing those feelings, or at least doing justice to the whole event
(those who have been there will understand), but I can say that I think it
was especially sweet knowing that I did not need to be concerned about the
mechanics or design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate on my
flying.
Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only
that it worked for me. It's quite possible that I could have done my own
first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting bad
experiences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues that
were immediately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot
would have been busy.
I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in the
building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Congratulations Gary - very inspirational.
Now, back down the shop for me. (see, it is inspirational...!)
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384733#384733
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| Subject: | Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Congratulations Gary - very inspirational.
Now, back down the shop for me. (see, it is inspirational...!)
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384737#384737
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| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Wow Gary
That's awesome!
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
Hey Gary,
That's great stuff, congratulations my friend, fly safe and enjoy!
John
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Well done Mr. Boothe!!
I believe a cross country is in order.... To Fresno! Maybe we could talk the Groahs
to fly up and have a mini convention... I'll bring my camera and notebook
:D
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| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
What a great letter! Really puts it in perspective the value of what we decided
to make ours!
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384769#384769
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! |
Glad to hear you are an "Oficial Piet Pilot".=C2- Congradulations Gary.
=C2-
Shad
--- On Fri, 10/5/12, Robert Bush wrote:
From: Robert Bush <rbush96589(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one!
Date: Friday, October 5, 2012, 10:13 AM
Way to go Gary, happy for you!
Randy Bush
NX294RB
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:52 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
=C2-
Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB
=C2-
Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over Pha
se 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the time
came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth had been
replaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let someon
e else have the pleasure of the first flight, but I couldn=99t ignore
the good fortune of finding the right person at the right time. Certainly
it would have been far less expensive to merely get current, then do my own
test flights, and having over 200 hrs of tail wheel time I wasn=99t
concerned about take offs and landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn
=99t quiet that little voice, and Safety took the lead.
=C2-
Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few fli
ghts, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my role
as =98Crew Chief=99, tweaking, adjusting and repairing every bi
g and little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have buil
t your own planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making repairs
; and, if you have also built your own engines, you have confidence there,
too. To me, this became the final chapter of the building processw
ithout any of the stress of those early flights.
=C2-
Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40 h
ours in less than a month. He carried with him the =98Owner=99s
Manual=99 that I had copied from someone else, making notations and
changes where needed. We had long conversations about his discoveries (this
was the first Pietenpol he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flie
s. Eager to get the opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted s
o much time to it, and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in unders
tanding what to expect.
=C2-
Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight, tonight,
for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started with me stopp
ing by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy showed up. We star
ted talking, and, wellyou knowone thing led to another an
d pretty soon we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!! The BFR check
ride went without issue and, before long, I was up by myself! I doubt if I
am capable of describing those feelings, or at least doing justice to the w
hole event (those who have been there will understand), but I can say that
I think it was especially sweet knowing that I did not need to be concerned
about the mechanics or design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate
on my flying.
=C2-
Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only th
at it worked for me. It=99s quite possible that I could have done my
own first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting bad expe
riences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues that were i
mmediately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot would h
ave been busy.
=C2-
I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in the
building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight!
=C2-
Gary Boothe
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| Subject: | Piano hinge for aileron |
| From: | John Fay <jfay1950(at)gmail.com> |
I have a question for Michael Cuy or any others who have mounted their
ailerons with piano hinge.
How long does the hinge need to be? Is six feet long enough, or is it
longer. And what size hinge is it? (How wide is it when it is opened
up flat?)
I am getting ready to order the hinge so I was wondering.
John Fay
in Peoria
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Of interest: I came across a link of actors past and present that fly. There's
an actress that had a Piet..
Michelle Goodeve (Apr 22, 1952). Tv actress, screenwriter. Owned Aeronca 7AC, de
Havilland Tiger Moth, Luscombe, Piper Tri-Pacer, Pietenpol Air Camper. Aviation
films: roles as pilot in tv series Barnstormers (2005), Danger Bay (1986),
Vulcan EFTS (1987), White Fang (1993).
http://www.aerofiles.com/00stars.html
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| Subject: | Piano hinge for aileron |
| From: | John Fay <jfay1950(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks to all of you who replied to the question about the hinge you
used for your ailerons. I know what I am going to order now.
John Fay
in Peoria
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
John, my aileron hinges are the MS 20257-5 from Aircraft Spruce. They are
6-feet long. They do not cover the complete length of the aileron. I split
the difference at the ends of the hinge. Chuck
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From: "John Fay" <jfay1950(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge for aileron
>
> I have a question for Michael Cuy or any others who have mounted their
> ailerons with piano hinge.
>
> How long does the hinge need to be? Is six feet long enough, or is it
> longer. And what size hinge is it? (How wide is it when it is opened
> up flat?)
> I am getting ready to order the hinge so I was wondering.
>
> John Fay
> in Peoria
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
I'm dealing with the piano hinge now. The first image shows a pretty straight joint
however the second shows how the hinge is bowed about a 1/16 of an inch along
its' length. Should this be corrected with planing/sanding?
--------
John Francis
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
John,
My guess is, Yes, some straightening is called for, but the only area that
matters is right at the hinge itself...2 hours of work, tops!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 8:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge for aileron
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I'm dealing with the piano hinge now. The first image shows a pretty
straight joint however the second shows how the hinge is bowed about a 1/16
of an inch along its' length. Should this be corrected with planing/sanding?
--------
John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
If your ribs are all the same, then the bow is being transmitted from the spar.
So, might want to see if you can correct the bow with the anti-drag wires.
If not, do like mentioned and just plane the wing and shim behind the hinge on
the aileron (or glue in a little strip and reshape).
You're definitely going to want that hinge as straight as possible.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
And here is a picture of her, with her Pietenpol. Maybe she should come to
Brodhead one year?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TriScout
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hollywd
Of interest: I came across a link of actors past and present that fly.
There's an actress that had a Piet..
Michelle Goodeve (Apr 22, 1952). Tv actress, screenwriter. Owned Aeronca
7AC, de Havilland Tiger Moth, Luscombe, Piper Tri-Pacer, Pietenpol Air
Camper. Aviation films: roles as pilot in tv series Barnstormers (2005),
Danger Bay (1986), Vulcan EFTS (1987), White Fang (1993).
http://www.aerofiles.com/00stars.html
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
She looks better in her gear than I do in mine.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hollywd
And here is a picture of her, with her Pietenpol. Maybe she should come to
Brodhead one year?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TriScout
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hollywd
Of interest: I came across a link of actors past and present that fly.
There's an actress that had a Piet..
Michelle Goodeve (Apr 22, 1952). Tv actress, screenwriter. Owned Aeronca
7AC, de Havilland Tiger Moth, Luscombe, Piper Tri-Pacer, Pietenpol Air
Camper. Aviation films: roles as pilot in tv series Barnstormers (2005),
Danger Bay (1986), Vulcan EFTS (1987), White Fang (1993).
http://www.aerofiles.com/00stars.html
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Probably looks even better out of it.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hollywd
She looks better in her gear than I do in mine.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hollywd
And here is a picture of her, with her Pietenpol. Maybe she should come to
Brodhead one year?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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On Behalf
Of TriScout
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hollywd
Of interest: I came across a link of actors past and present that fly.
There's an actress that had a Piet..
Michelle Goodeve (Apr 22, 1952). Tv actress, screenwriter. Owned Aeronca
7AC, de Havilland Tiger Moth, Luscombe, Piper Tri-Pacer, Pietenpol Air
Camper. Aviation films: roles as pilot in tv series Barnstormers (2005),
Danger Bay (1986), Vulcan EFTS (1987), White Fang (1993).
http://www.aerofiles.com/00stars.html
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
It appears the bump in the front aileron spar was transmitted via the ribs from
a bump in the rear main wing spar which is hard to see with the ribs on. I won't
trammel the wings to try to correct this as they are square and although
you might be able to correct this bump, you would twist the wings out of whack
someplace else. If you look closely at the attached image you will see a blue
chalk line I just made and it shows the bump. A hand plane should remedy this
but I will lose a 1/16 inch of material from that section of aileron spar.
Should I glue some 1/16 inch plywood on the back side for support?
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
John,
You only need to remove material at the top of the spar. I'm willing to bet
your life that it won't matter. ;-)
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 9:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge for aileron
-->
It appears the bump in the front aileron spar was transmitted via the ribs
from a bump in the rear main wing spar which is hard to see with the ribs
on. I won't trammel the wings to try to correct this as they are square and
although you might be able to correct this bump, you would twist the wings
out of whack someplace else. If you look closely at the attached image you
will see a blue chalk line I just made and it shows the bump. A hand plane
should remedy this but I will lose a 1/16 inch of material from that section
of aileron spar. Should I glue some 1/16 inch plywood on the back side for
support?
--------
John Francis
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
Jack thanks for the pictures. It would be neat if she is still flying and still
has the Piet.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Correct Gary, just that 1" material the hinge attaches too. I still might add
some plywood pieces under the bolts in that area since it is my life you are betting
on.
[Shocked]
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John Francis
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Jim,
Michelle still has the Piet, and just recovered it a few years ago. I tried posting
a photo, but it wouldn't go through. I'll try again later when I'm at my
home computer, where I have access to my photos.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
You're basically laminating on a piece of metal there, which is stronger than wood.
The loss of wood isn't going to matter. MIGHT want to add a few extra screws
in the part that attaches to the wing for piece of mind.
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| From: | Dave Millikan <n11dmx(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
I was going to use piano hinge too, then it dawned on me
that the fastners were all in a line, not good
soooo I went to Ace- Aircraft Supply and bot
screen door hinges just like Bernard--- did.
fasteners- spread the lod across the 3 inch or so beam.
Dave- NX1QZ, Inverness,Fl
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From: John Francis <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge for aileron
Date: Sunday, October 7, 2012, 5:13 PM
Correct Gary, just that 1" material the hinge attaches too.- I still migh
t add some plywood pieces under the bolts in that area since it is my life
you are betting on.
[Shocked]
--------
John Francis
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| From: | wayne & cathy <catway(at)sympatico.ca> |
Michelle Goodeve is a canadian gal that has flown quite a number
of clasic aircraft. she is a fixture around the tiger boys group in
guelph ontario. she just recently restored a piet. that was found in a
barn north of there . the video shows her having fun in the first cub in
canada.
at the end of the video is a shot of a thruxton jackeroo (the only one
flying in the world) she usualy flys that at
some point in time belonged to her and her husband. she has quite an
aviation history.
wayne in waterloo on.
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Hasnt anyone noticed the 6 cyl engine over her shoulder. That jumped
out at me right away.
Dick N.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Can't some of you Canadians convince her to make an appearance at Brodhead
next year? That would really be cool!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of wayne &
cathy
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hollywd http://youtu.be/Tc8FCFdiTPQ
Michelle Goodeve is a canadian gal that has flown quite a number
of clasic aircraft. she is a fixture around the tiger boys group in
guelph ontario. she just recently restored a piet. that was found in a
barn north of there . the video shows her having fun in the first cub in
canada.
at the end of the video is a shot of a thruxton jackeroo (the only one
flying in the world) she usualy flys that at
some point in time belonged to her and her husband. she has quite an
aviation history.
wayne in waterloo on.
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
I don't know about sanding. It is hard to tell from photo, but you might need
to pop the false spar loose and shim it straight before reattaching it.
On Oct 7, 2012, at 11:25 AM, "John Francis" wrote:
>
> I'm dealing with the piano hinge now. The first image shows a pretty straight
joint however the second shows how the hinge is bowed about a 1/16 of an inch
along its' length. Should this be corrected with planing/sanding?
>
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
You could simply shim the hinge streight with washers, shims etc, if it is
ony 1/16 or so.- we have a washer/shim on one of our aileron hinges and i
t hasn't been an issue in 320 hrs of flying.
-
Shad
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From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge for aileron
Date: Sunday, October 7, 2012, 3:16 PM
I don't know about sanding.- It is hard to tell from photo, but you might
need to pop the false spar loose and shim it straight before reattaching i
t.
On Oct 7, 2012, at 11:25 AM, "John Francis" wrote:
>
> I'm dealing with the piano hinge now. The first image shows a pretty stra
ight joint however the second shows how the hinge is bowed about a 1/16 of
an inch along its' length. Should this be corrected with planing/sanding?
>
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> John Francis
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| Subject: | First Years Progress |
| From: | "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com> |
I have been working almost a year now on the GN-1 project I inherited from my father.
I got it as a fuselage with A-65 engine, tail feathers and some wing ribs.
In the meantime, I built an engine mount, made Cub gear, tore down, rebuilt
and ran the engine, put in heel brakes, fit a Cub fuel tank, made both front
and rear cockpit panels and started the center section. From a looks standpoint,
probably the most important thing that I did was rid it of 30 years of cobwebs
so it can stand proud. I hope to have the CS and turtle deck done over
the winter and start the wings next spring.
Before and after pictures below.
--------
David Gallagher
Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 220+ hours now
Next project under construction: Finish my father's Aircamper
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| Subject: | Re: moving Scout |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Safe travels Oscar!
I, for one, hope to shake hands with ya when you make that N. California trip.
My SLO daughter just came home for a visit this week. I won't have my plane close
to ready by then, but I can drive to where you land... :-)
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| Subject: | Re: First Years Progress |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
That GN1 will have a special story! Nice progress...
Gary
NX308MB
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Years Progress
Sent: Oct 8, 2012 6:32 PM
I have been working almost a year now on the GN-1 project I inherited from my father.
I got it as a fuselage with A-65 engine, tail feathers and some wing ribs.
In the meantime, I built an engine mount, made Cub gear, tore down, rebuilt
and ran the engine, put in heel brakes, fit a Cub fuel tank, made both front
and rear cockpit panels and started the center section. From a looks standpoint,
probably the most important thing that I did was rid it of 30 years of cobwebs
so it can stand proud. I hope to have the CS and turtle deck done over
the winter and start the wings next spring.
Before and after pictures below.
--------
David Gallagher
Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 220+ hours now
Next project under construction: Finish my father's Aircamper
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| Subject: | Re: First Years Progress |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Dave,
Did you save the prop that your brother Tim carved when he was in college?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Years Progress
That GN1 will have a special story! Nice progress...
Gary
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Sent: Oct 8, 2012 6:32 PM
m>
I have been working almost a year now on the GN-1 project I inherited from
my
father. I got it as a fuselage with A-65 engine, tail feathers and some win
g
ribs. In the meantime, I built an engine mount, made Cub gear, tore down,
rebuilt and ran the engine, put in heel brakes, fit a Cub fuel tank, made b
oth
front and rear cockpit panels and started the center section. From a looks
standpoint, probably the most important thing that I did was rid it of 30 y
ears
of cobwebs so it can stand proud. I hope to have the CS and turtle deck do
ne
over the winter and start the wings next spring.
Before and after pictures below.
--------
David Gallagher
Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 220+ hours now
Next project under construction: Finish my father's Aircamper
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| Subject: | Ball or bronze bearings in wheels? |
| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Hello; as always asking something.
Is there any problem in use ball bearings than bronze in the wheels hubs?, and
what kind of ball bearing I have to use if I decide to use them?
Thank you in advance.
Best regards.
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Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Ball or bronze bearings in wheels? |
Hi Mario,
I don't know about ball bearings for an axle application. I'm not sure how
well they would react to side loading. Most people use bronze bushings. I
used tapered roller bearings on mine and they have worked well. You can buy
them from McMaster-Carrr:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-ball-and-roller-bearings/=jn8lp0
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 8:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ball or bronze bearings in wheels?
Hello; as always asking something.
Is there any problem in use ball bearings than bronze in the wheels hubs?,
and what kind of ball bearing I have to use if I decide to use them?
Thank you in advance.
Best regards.
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Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: First Years Progress |
| From: | "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com> |
Dan,
Yes, that is the prop brother Tim carved out of mahogany planks while in college.
I am ever amazed and humbled by his craftsmanship. Hard to think we are of
the same genes.
One thing of note for those with sharp eyeballs. Even though this is a GN-1, I
have changed the strut and wing attach to be Pietenpol so I can translate the
wing for CG purposes. I also made the CS 6" wider after visiting with Skip Gadd
and his project. I need a wider flop in order to help get my fat a$$ in and
out.
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David Gallagher
Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 220+ hours now
Next project under construction: Finish my father's Aircamper
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| Subject: | Re: Ball or bronze bearings in wheels? |
| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you Jack, most than enough.
regards
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First Years Progress |
Hi Dave,
Its looking good. You have definitely turned it into a nice looking project. Keep
at it you are not far from having a Pietenpol.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: moving Scout |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Oscar,
If you need a place to stay over night just let me know. I'm in Lancaster CA just
5 miles so. of KWJF (fox field). Plenty of room to park your moving truck
at the house. Could save you a hotel bill. Heck, you may even eat better.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Evening With the Boyers |
Yesterday, I spent an enjoyable afternoon and evening with Jim Boyer, where
he graciously allowed me to tinker with him on his engine. We set the
starter, and timed the distributer. He's not too far from running his engine
now!
Afterward, Jim & Arlene took me out to dinner.What a deal! I might quit my
job and do this full time!
In typical Pietenpoler fashion, Jim offered me his Warp Drive prop while I
re-carve a new one, as did Kevin Purtee.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: First Years Progress |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Dave;
Although it will never be a Pietenpol (always a Grega), it looks beautiful! You
have made a tremendous amount of progress in just a year. Welcome to the Air
Camper/Aircamper fleet, one of the few places where slower is better, older
is cooler, and you will always get more attention with your airplane on the ramp
than any RV will ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Spars are now routed. thirteen pounds
removed. Total spar weight now 261/2 lb.
They are true fir ( not Douglas ) and 1"
thick.
The bit used is this one;
http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=30171&cat=1,46168,69435,
46173&ap=1
See that table with all the stuff on it? Well
guess where my wing panels are supposed
to be built? It took years to load it like that.
Every single thing lovingly placed ( dumped )
and now just as lovingly needs a new home.
Clif
Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.
Einstein
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| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First Years Progress |
Dave;
Although it will never be a Pietenpol (always a Grega), it looks
beautiful! You have made a tremendous amount of progress in just a
year. Welcome to the Air Camper/Aircamper fleet, one of the few places
where slower is better, older is cooler, and you will always get more
attention with your airplane on the ramp than any RV will ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: moving Scout |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Enjoy your IFR ( I follow roads) trip. Should you get lost, the offer still stands.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: moving Scout |
Not to worry. Oscar THINKS he can slip by us by taking the back roads, but
I'll be running a blockade on 395 two days before Thanksgiving. He'll have
to stop or crash into me!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AircamperN11MS
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 6:34 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: moving Scout
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Enjoy your IFR ( I follow roads) trip. Should you get lost, the offer still
stands.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: moving Scout |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
I put a request in to the weather gods. He will need to come over to the west
side of CA due to snow falling on his planned route. Then he will have to visit
us.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Fish Scale Thrust |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Not the scales on the side of a fish..
got the official piet prop carver fish scale from the prop man Dan Helsper via
UPS today... and ran right out to try it.
My A with homebuilt prop 76X42 was turning 1750 rpm per my 1930 moth tach and showed
275 lbs of fish scale thrust .... and smooth as butter.
i taxied to the hangar next door for coffee and got to use the radio.. first time
talking to the tower as "experimental 1929F".... the guys next door all got
a kick out of it..
Jeff Faith
SDF
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Fish Scale Thrust |
Very cool, Jeff!! I'm glad you used the 'official' industrial fish scales,
too. Your thrust sounds plenty good.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale Thrust
-->
Not the scales on the side of a fish..
got the official piet prop carver fish scale from the prop man Dan Helsper
via UPS today... and ran right out to try it.
My A with homebuilt prop 76X42 was turning 1750 rpm per my 1930 moth tach
and showed 275 lbs of fish scale thrust .... and smooth as butter.
i taxied to the hangar next door for coffee and got to use the radio.. first
time talking to the tower as "experimental 1929F".... the guys next door all
got a kick out of it..
Jeff Faith
SDF
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Evening With the Boyers |
Gary said;=C2- where he graciously allowed me to tinker with him on his e
ngine. We set the starter, and timed the distributer. He=99s not too
far from running his engine now!
Actually I was stuck and he really helped me get over the hump. It is alway
s fun and enjoyable to have Gary stop and visit/help. I think thats one of
the nice things about building a Piet; the other people building Pietenpols
too.
I am getting there now that I am retired I can and have been working on it
more.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Evening With the Boyers |
Oh darn Kevin, you mean the Warp drive prop got dinged too! Reading your comments
about the ailerons made me wonder how the right aileron managed to survive
complete with hinges.
Glad you are making such good progress rebuilding FBG.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Fish Scale Thrust |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
You are now good to go man. I registered 260 lbs. You have got plety of thr
ust there Jeff!! No worries. Congratulations!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 12:23 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale Thrust
>
Not the scales on the side of a fish..
got the official piet prop carver fish scale from the prop man Dan Helsper
via
UPS today... and ran right out to try it.
My A with homebuilt prop 76X42 was turning 1750 rpm per my 1930 moth tach a
nd
showed 275 lbs of fish scale thrust .... and smooth as butter.
i taxied to the hangar next door for coffee and got to use the radio.. firs
t
time talking to the tower as "experimental 1929F".... the guys next door al
l got
a kick out of it..
Jeff Faith
SDF
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| Subject: | Re: Fish Scale Thrust |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Hey Gary...
here is an album
http://s1125.photobucket.com/albums/l593/jfaithbass/
And Thanks a million Dan.... the scale will be back soon
Jeff
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| From: | Dave Millikan <n11dmx(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Years Progress |
What a coinidece.. We ara a Dave and Connie too.
I,m 2 yrs into a Pete NX1QZ
Wings and Tail done- Fuse 20 %,,. VW- engine.
Dave, Inverness, Fla
--- On Wed, 10/10/12, Dave and Connie wrote:
From: Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Years Progress
Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 10:45 AM
t>
Dave;
Although it will never be a Pietenpol (always a Grega), it looks beautiful!
- You have made a tremendous amount of progress in just a year.- Welcom
e to the Air Camper/Aircamper fleet, one of the few places where slower is
better, older is cooler, and you will always get more attention with your a
irplane on the ramp than any RV will ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | cable and fittings |
I thought I recently saw a thread on this but cannot find it.. So - sorry
if this has been asked recently..
Was wondering if I use stainless cable=2C do I use copper=2C aluminum or zi
nc crimps / thimbles=2C etc.. Seems odd that they wouldn't have stainless
fittings to go along with it but I cannot find them anywhere. Same questio
n if I were to use galvanized cable - although that seems more clear that I
would use zinc fittings. Specifically=2C looking at doing the drag/anti-d
rag wires in the wings.
Thanks=2C
Tom B.
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| Subject: | computer & internet |
| From: | "zieglera" <ziegleradevid(at)yahoo.com> |
Does sharing internet make the internet slow down on one computer? I have a pc
and wireless laptop connected with a router. The internet on the laptop is fine.
When the laptop is connected it makes my computer internet slow, the internet
is slow not the computer. When the laptop is not connected the internet on
the computer works fine.
--------
my life my way
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: cable and fittings |
Tom, somewhere someone said not to use stainless cable but I can't
remember the reason. I am using galvanized 3/32 cable with zinc plated
copper crimps. If one is put on improperly it is a bear to get off.
You have to cut the fitting in about four places to pry the crimp off.
This is in places where you don't want to cut the cable. Chuck C.
Do not save.
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 8:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable and fittings
I thought I recently saw a thread on this but cannot find it.. So -
sorry if this has been asked recently..
Was wondering if I use stainless cable, do I use copper, aluminum or
zinc crimps / thimbles, etc.. Seems odd that they wouldn't have
stainless fittings to go along with it but I cannot find them anywhere.
Same question if I were to use galvanized cable - although that seems
more clear that I would use zinc fittings. Specifically, looking at
doing the drag/anti-drag wires in the wings.
Thanks,
Tom B.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: cable and fittings |
For the record, I have SS cables exclusively on my plane. (STILL building...)
>From what I gather, copper or zinc sleeves for steel and galvanized wire rope,
tin plated copper or 304 SS sleeves for SS wire rope.
304 SS sleeves are available from McMaster.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
After several months of waiting, I finally get to look at my completed wheels.
I purchased my hubs from Ken Perkins back in the spring and sent them out to
Buchanan's to get spokes cut and rims drilled. Received them back on April 19...
had them at the powder coater April 20, and then they sat at the local motorcycle
shop for over two months! I finally just went and picked them up with
the intention of lacing them up on my own sometime. Well, sometime finally came...
a friend of mine stopped by the hangar the other day... as he's looking
around he says, "what with those wheels?" I explained that I wasn't ready to
pull my hair out yet, and that I was saving them for a cold winter day. He grabs
a rim, a hub and a hand full of spokes and proceeds to lace one up in under
an hour. I forgot that he was a bicycle guy, and it never dawned on me to
ask him for help. He came back by last night and laced the other one, and now
has them at his house on his truing rig. As much as I wanted to learn to lace
wheels (not)... I sure do appreciate him getting them put together for me.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Your wire wheels look great Mark and way to go, hat's off to the gent who laced
and is truing your wheels for you. You could easily
do this yourself but the learning curve is steep for the first wheel but as with
all Pietenpol building the second 'anything' goes much faster.
They look great--are you planning on using any brakes? Steel landing gear legs
or wood?
Mike C.
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Thanks Mike... I'm sure I could have done it, but wasn't something I was looking
forward to. With a fellow standing there that wanted to pitch in, I was glad
he found something he could accomplish. Some things I really want to do on
my own without a bunch of you know what I would do comments or interruptions...
wheels isn't one of them.
In the process of building steel tube gear and plan disc brakes with the Comet
calipers like many of you are using.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Fish Scale Thrust |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
according to this calculator i found .... punching in the numbers ..
my engine is making 51 HP with the thrust being within 2 lbs of what the calculator
says for that pitch and length at 1750 rpm
http://personal.osi.hu/fuzesisz/strc_eng/index.htm
Jeff
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| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Mark,
I think it is very cool that you have contributions from others! That makes for
a really nice story...
Gary
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After several months of waiting, I finally get to look at my completed wheels.
I purchased my hubs from Ken Perkins back in the spring and sent them out to
Buchanan's to get spokes cut and rims drilled. Received them back on April 19...
had them at the powder coater April 20, and then they sat at the local motorcycle
shop for over two months! I finally just went and picked them up with
the intention of lacing them up on my own sometime. Well, sometime finally came...
a friend of mine stopped by the hangar the other day... as he's looking
around he says, "what with those wheels?" I explained that I wasn't ready to
pull my hair out yet, and that I was saving them for a cold winter day. He grabs
a rim, a hub and a hand full of spokes and proceeds to lace one up in under
an hour. I forgot that he was a bicycle guy, and it never dawned on me to
ask him for help. He came back by last night and laced the other one, and now
has them at his house on his truing rig. As much a!
s I wanted to learn to lace wheels (not)... I sure do appreciate him getting them
put together for me.
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Mark Chouinard
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I'm just hoping I can squeak under that 51% rule. [Laughing]
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Mark Chouinard
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| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Mark,
Nobody will even notice the girls standing next to the plane with wheels like that.
Fantastic.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Here is a really cool tool that a friend of mine showed me yesterday yes, the same
guy that laced my wheels. Hey, he is a 26 year-old pilot, P.E., neighbor
and co-worker. A pretty sharp kid who is currently building his own bicycle hes
been talking like he might like to try an airplane next. Anyhow, I told him
that I was struggling a bit with how I might shape the tubing for my landing
gear where it meets my axles without wasting a lot of material. I described
a method that I saw on EAA Hints for Homebuilders using the poster board and attempting
to crumple the ends and cut a template. He told me of a cycle design
program that would print the necessary template by inputting the intersecting
tubes and their angles.
So, by utilizing Pythagoras Theorem we can figure the angles and leg length, then
using the cycle building program we can produce a very accurate template for
coping a nicely fitted joint. Ive not tried this yet, but he has and it looks
like it works great. We even found some free coping calculators on the web
this one seems pretty straightforward.
http://www.metalgeek.com/static/cope.pcgi
Coping seems to be fairly simple with thin walled and small diameter tubing, but
it is much more difficult (and potentially costly) with large diameter and heavy
walled tubing. I hope this will keep me from scrapping my material.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Very cool!
I've got about 6 years in a bike shop
and am really looking forward to lacing
mine
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
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| Subject: | Re: Tubing Coping |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I suppose that one could change the dimensions to end up with a correct OD print.
For example... if I were using 1.5" tubing, couldn't I enter 1.6" tube with
.100" wall and end up with a template suitable for the OD of my 1.5" tube?
Might try that on a test piece.
The software that my friend has actually prints two lines... one for the OD and
another for the taper needed to achieve the proper ID fit.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tubing Coping |
If the application is printing od (not important) and id (VERY important), you're
good to go!
Oh yeah, and that 51% rule? That's for work done....NOT how many parts just magically
show up at your hangar!!!
-----Original Message-----
>From: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net>
>Sent: Oct 11, 2012 1:44 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tubing Coping
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>
>I suppose that one could change the dimensions to end up with a correct OD print.
For example... if I were using 1.5" tubing, couldn't I enter 1.6" tube with
.100" wall and end up with a template suitable for the OD of my 1.5" tube?
Might try that on a test piece.
>
>The software that my friend has actually prints two lines... one for the OD and
another for the taper needed to achieve the proper ID fit.
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>Mark Chouinard
>Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Tubing Coping |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I'm not sure that I'm clear on you "OD not important" comment, Jim. If one were
to cut the OD to the ID measurement, it might become important, right? I mean,
depending on which side of the angle you may be working on, it would seem
that the ID could be the longer dimension, whereas the opposing side of the angle
would make it the shorter dimension, meaning that you would suddenly be lacking
material for a proper fit.
I'm told that the template actually accounts for the angle, leaving the greater
dimension for all sides of the fit, therefore allowing material for final shaping
after the finishing cut. Worst case, I suppose that the builder just needs
to visualize the fitted application and anticipate where to cut and where NOT
to cut (all the way to the line) in order to achieve the proper fit, but I
would think that the OD would be the important measurement since that is where
we are applying the template. I mean, if we were to apply the ID measurements,
the template wouldn't even fit around the tube, especially where a thick wall
were being used.
On my previous thought... another way to eliminate the ID/OD difference is to indicate
the proper tube diameter, but input a thin wall, say .035 (or less) instead
of .120 or whatever may be used.
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Mark Chouinard
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| From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
I know a guy that has a set of wheels you can practice on. Just let me know when
you want to start on them
John
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 11, 2012, at 2:30 PM, "echobravo4" wrote:
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> Very cool!
> I've got about 6 years in a bike shop
> and am really looking forward to lacing
> mine
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> Earl Brown
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> I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where
I intended to be.
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| Subject: | Mounting Ailerons |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Today I glued up more of my aileron and mounted the piano hinge to the aileron
spar attached to the wing. Now I must figure out how to accurately mount the
aileron to the hinge. If you've done this before you will know what I am talking
about and the challenges of marking the aileron spar correctly. Any bright
ideas out there?
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Wood gear leg material? |
| From: | "FandS_Piet" <fkim79(at)gmail.com> |
Im ready to order spruce for my wood gear and am wondering if I should by spar
stock that is 2 3/4" x 1" and rip it down or cap strip that comes 2 1/2" x 1 and
is about half the price. I wasnt sure if the capstrip was high enough quality
spruce to use for the gear.
Thanks
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Fred Kim
Pittsburgh, Pa
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| From: | "FandS_Piet" <fkim79(at)gmail.com> |
I have done alot of research about brazing 4130 and it was easy to come to the
conclusion that, to say the the least it is not advisable. Unfortunately the
research was done after we have already brazed some of our metal fittings. Now
knowing it should not be done my question is, is there anybody that is flying
with brazed 4130?
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Fred Kim
Pittsburgh, Pa
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| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
This is a tough one. After having done A LOT of research like I'm sure you have,
I've come to the conclusion that it's alright.
There's lots of reports about how the grain structure of 4130 will open SO MUCH
you can actually see it, but I've never seen pictures... I've not seen any real
authoritative source saying it's a dangerous practice.
All the naysayers seem to have secondhand information as to why it's bad.
However, practically ALL 4130 bicycle frames built in Europe are brazed, with no
ill effects that I'm aware of.
While they're not flying yet, I've brazed a number of parts for a biplane I'm helping
to restore, an old J-1 Standard. The old parts were regular steel that
had been brazed, so they could not then be welded to 4130 because of the contamination.
That being said, if you've run across some info you really trust that says you
shouldn't, forward it along please.
The parts I brazed on the standard are bellcranks to a torque tube in the control
system, so they're REALLY important. I did as much reading as I could. I
personally felt the bellcranks would fail before the joint let loose.
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| Subject: | Re: Wood gear leg material? |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
The only issue here is whether or not it's straight and free from defects (wind
shakes, ie compression failures, knots, etc). If it is, the quality is high
enough.
There's no problem with gluing up to get the required width if that's an issue.
The biggest issue is making sure the legs fit the fittings well and tightly. If
they don't and get to moving, you're going to have a problem. Spruce isn't
very strong (it's the best strength to weight ratio, far from strong), so a good
fit amongst those pieces is critical. Especially in the fittings on the fuselage
as there isn't much surface area between them and the legs. Many folks
opt in increase the size of those fittings.
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| Subject: | Re: Mounting Ailerons |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
One trick is to use #2 screws with large area washers. That'll give you some lateral
adjustment. Once you're in place, drill in place for the vacant and adjacent
holes to the correct size, then replace the #2's with whatever you're using,
I imagine #4's or #6's.
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| Subject: | Re: Mounting Ailerons |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Thanks Tools, I like that idea.
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John Francis
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Fred Hi from England
I have been flying a Corben Junior with brazed 4130 frame. It was built at least
50 years ago.
A few weeks ago I had a violent crash in the aircraft and it's now completely written
off.
My reasoning for replying is that the frame held together at all brazed joints
and although the frame is distorted and bent no brazing looks to have split or
failed.
I cant give you any details on brazing type as I didn't construct but it was a
USA build.
The strength afforded by the 4130 fuselage frame is incredible and I would seek
out that type of construction again.
Wood too is impressive for strength and has probably an advantage of absorbing
shock. It's a debate we'll end now!!!
As an aside. some small structural repairs and modifications I have made over the
years and TIG was used in all those cases but not in area of braze directly.
Regards
Gerry
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| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
John
I'll let you know when I'm ready to start
no the wheels and you can get ahold of
"That guy"!
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: Tubing Coping |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Jim... where did you go? Am I missing something on the tubing coping?
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Mark Chouinard
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| Subject: | Re: Tubing Coping |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I'm pretty certain it pertains to the fact that the fit of the outside of the tubing
isn't as important as the fit of the circumference of the inner diameter.
That's because any gap visible from the outside can be welded in, in fact, purposely
creating that situation gives you a little "v" to weld in.
In the case of a good fit with the outside diameter, but poor fit on the inner
essentially leaves you with a thinner pipe to weld on.
In any case, your reasoning is correct. With this program (pretty cool by the
way, nice find!) I'd set the thickness of the tubing to .001 for an accurate pattern
to follow for the outside diameter. Then, try to visualize exactly what
is going on when you grind, file or cut to shape to make sure you don't "undercut".
If you delibrately err the other way, you'll merely have to file away
a portion of the thickness of the tubing as you fit to get a perfect union.
You can then rest assured you'll have a good fitting inner and outer diameters,
and will weld up securely.
Make sure to "clock code" the patterns so they orient correctly, like welding on
yoke fittings on a drive shaft.
You could probably also youtube how to cope home molding to help you visualize
what's going when you cope. There are actually other methods of generating the
shape to follow right on the tubing, utilizing only miter cuts on an abrasive
saw, cold saw, bandsaw, whatever.
Knowing how that works will make using this shape generation method, make more
sense. Also, play around with the tubing thickness and watch the shape change.
The minimum thickness it will accept is SOMETHING bigger than zero, and SOMETHING
less than 1/2 the diameter of the tubing.
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | official fish scales |
How does one go about getting on the circulation list for the Official Fish
Scales? It seems that the Scales have so far been limited to use by prop
carvers=2C but I would be interested in knowing how Scout fares with the A7
5 and wood prop. I also have a Prince prop for it and would be interested
in a "fish head to fish head" comparison between the two if I had the scale
s available and could run one and then the other.
I will not have Scout up here and ready for testing until November=2C but w
ould be happy to pay shipping over and back if the Official Scales are avai
lable to non-carvers.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Tubing Coping |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
tools wrote:
> In any case, your reasoning is correct. With this program (pretty cool by the
way, nice find!) I'd set the thickness of the tubing to .001 for an accurate
pattern to follow for the outside diameter. Then, try to visualize exactly what
is going on when you grind, file or cut to shape to make sure you don't "undercut".
If you delibrately err the other way, you'll merely have to file away
a portion of the thickness of the tubing as you fit to get a perfect union.
You can then rest assured you'll have a good fitting inner and outer diameters,
and will weld up securely.
Ok, this is essentially what I did tonight... on the first try. I just wasn't
getting (and still kind of don't) how the OD is not important. I would think
that attempt cutting to the ID, especially on the side of the acute angle, would
be difficult and would create the unwanted situation that you describe. Cutting
to the OD will at least leave material necessary to grind/file to fit...
cutting to ID, not the case.
Anyhow, this is being made too difficult. I've only offered this to eliminate
the guesswork on these complex shapes. Use whatever method you prefer to get
the correct angles, plug in your details and print. Transfer to your material
and cut/grind/file to fit.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385166#385166
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Gerry: please tell me that the Corben that was bent in the "violent crash" was
not the one with the beautiful polished cooling eyebrows? Oh, Lord- I am glad
that you are alright. Rum thing, losing an airplane, though...
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385167#385167
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tubing Coping |
I'm here....and where WOULD I go???? :-)
Just be aware of the ID and OD and their relationship then go to the shop and keep
makin' stuff......
-----Original Message-----
>From: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net>
>Sent: Oct 11, 2012 10:21 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tubing Coping
>
>
>Jim... where did you go? Am I missing something on the tubing coping?
>
>--------
>Mark Chouinard
>Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385156#385156
>
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
If you guys have one wheel loose laced or finished to use as a template, tr
y doing the other wheel yourself. I had zero wheel lacing experience and la
ced one of my wheels myself. It is really quite simple and quite rewarding.
- It is very easy to see if you got something in the wrong place. The spo
kes have a specific length and bend to go in specific locations, so it beco
mes obvious when you try to fit a spoke in a location it is not meant to be
. (Crossed laced spokes intended for brakes. The straight laced, radial spo
kes will all be the same.)
After loosed laced, mount wheel on an axle, (I used my actual axle clamped
to my table) and true using a dial indicator.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
I wouldn't say cross-laced wheels
are just for use with brakes- it makes
a much stronger wheel- radial laced
wheels are not as strong in side loads.
Probably more info than anyone needs-
but this is an excellent book on the subject
The Bicycle Wheel
Jobst Brandt
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385180#385180
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Glad you're OK Gerry!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
True, not just for brakes, but required with brakes.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
I learned a valuable lesson about spokes long ago. I had ventured an attempt to
adjust the spokes on my motorcycle so I began the process of harmonic evaluation.
Tapping the spokes for sound the same ting sound at each Every time I
got a thud I tightened the spoke by the time I finished, I could wave at the wheel
and it would wave back at me. I never knew a rim could become oblong, wavy
and rub the frame and swing in so many places all at the same time.
I had a friend come over and rescue me it took hours to correct what took minutes
to screw up. From then on I swore off spokes and spoke adjustment. It's better
to call uncle than to venture that far into the unknown. Uncle didn't have
a clue on fixing it either.
A lesson learned and a process respected to those who have the know how to keep
a wheel round and true
John
Not gonna do it!
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 11, 2012, at 9:43 PM, "echobravo4" wrote:
>
> John
> I'll let you know when I'm ready to start
> no the wheels and you can get ahold of
> "That guy"!
>
> --------
> Earl Brown
>
> I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where
I intended to be.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385152#385152
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Thanks Douwe!
Back from Australia and some great flying there so have a renewed sense of wanting
another project.
Taking my A75 for shock loading check and looking a two possible projects next
week. The Corben must RIP.
A man needs an Aircraft, Dog and Woman in that order! Only joking ladies!
Flew in a Rotec 3600 powered Spacewalker in Oz. Brilliant airplane!
Regards
Gerry
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: official fish scales |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Oscar,
Let me know when you are ready. I'll have it here to send you for your test
. I am only the caretaker of the Official- Piet- List- Industrial- Fish Sca
le. It now belongs to the ages!! This is an incentive to carve another prop
. I am the low man on the totem pole with my lousy 260 lbs!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 11:14 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
How does one go about getting on the circulation list for the Official Fish
Scales? It seems that the Scales have so far been limited to use by prop
carvers, but I would be interested in knowing how Scout fares with the A75
and wood prop. I also have a Prince prop for it and would be interested in
a "fish head to fish head" comparison between the two if I had the scales
available and could run one and then the other.
I will not have Scout up here and ready for testing until November, but wou
ld be happy to pay shipping over and back if the Official Scales are availa
ble to non-carvers.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
It's true. Custom made SS rims are a little pricey!- So I went with unpol
ished aluminum. The savings in weight and $$ made me feel better about it.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... |
We lost a spring on our Champ tailwheel steering years ago and almost groun
dlooped.
Here's a scary result of losing a spring on landing.
Make sure those things won't pop off. Even if they do you can still contro
l directionally
with prop blasts over the rudder.
Mike C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGOwcnGts4s&feature=related
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: official fish scales |
Is there something special about this particular scale?
Thanks
Andy Abreu
Toledo Ohio
Pietenpol A65
N6186L
--- On Fri, 10/12/12, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 11:22 AM
=0AOscar,=0A=0A-=0A=0ALet me know when you are ready. I'll have it here t
o send you for your test. I am only the caretaker of the Official- Piet- Li
st- Industrial- Fish Scale. It now belongs to the ages!!-This is an incen
tive to carve another prop. I am the low man on the totem pole with my lous
y 260 lbs!=0A=0A-=0A=0ADan Helsper=0A=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----
-Original Message-----
=0AFrom: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
=0ATo: Pietenpol List
=0ASent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 11:14 pm
=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
How does one go about getting on the circulation list-for the Official Fi
sh Scales?- It seems that the Scales have so far been limited to use by p
rop carvers, but I would be interested in knowing how Scout fares with the
A75 and wood prop.- I also have a Prince prop for it and would be interes
ted in a "fish-head to fish head" comparison between the two if I had the
scales available and could run one and then the other.
=0A-
=0AI will not have Scout up here and ready for testing until November, but
would be happy to pay shipping over and back if the Official Scales are ava
ilable to non-carvers.
=0A-
=0AOscar Zuniga
=0AMedford, OR
=0AAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"
=0AA75 power
=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A" target="_blank">http://www.matr
onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Atp://forums.matronics.com=0A_blank">ht
=================0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: official fish scales |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
No, other than it is a "controlled" fish scale, and the same one used by (s
o far) three of us. So it conveys a certain amount of reliable information
when it comes to a thrust measurement as compared to other Piets. :O)
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
Is there something special about this particular scale?
Thanks
Andy Abreu
Toledo Ohio
Pietenpol A65
N6186L
--- On Fri, 10/12/12, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 11:22 AM
Oscar,
Let me know when you are ready. I'll have it here to send you for your test
. I am only the caretaker of the Official- Piet- List- Industrial- Fish Sca
le. It now belongs to the ages!! This is an incentive to carve another prop
. I am the low man on the totem pole with my lousy 260 lbs!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 11:14 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
How does one go about getting on the circulation list for the Official Fish
Scales? It seems that the Scales have so far been limited to use by prop
carvers, but I would be interested in knowing how Scout fares with the A75
and wood prop. I also have a Prince prop for it and would be interested in
a "fish head to fish head" comparison between the two if I had the scales
available and could run one and then the other.
I will not have Scout up here and ready for testing until November, but wou
ld be happy to pay shipping over and back if the Official Scales are availa
ble to non-carvers.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matro===================
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | official fish scales |
Put me in line for the scale . . . I am ready to run the engine. Also=2C t
o those of you running Model As=2C are you using pure water or some type of
antifreeze?? It is starting to freeze here=2C so I am hesitant to fill it
to run just to have to drain. Gene
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Fri=2C 12 Oct 2012 14:54:10 -0400
No=2C other than it is a "controlled" fish scale=2C and the same one used b
y (so far) three of us. So it conveys a certain amount of reliable informat
ion when it comes to a thrust measurement as compared to other Piets. :O)
Dan Helsper
Puryear=2C TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri=2C Oct 12=2C 2012 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
Is there something special about this particular scale?
Thanks
Andy Abreu
Toledo Ohio
Pietenpol A65
N6186L
--- On Fri=2C 10/12/12=2C helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
Date: Friday=2C October 12=2C 2012=2C 11:22 AM
Oscar=2C
Let me know when you are ready. I'll have it here to send you for your test
. I am only the caretaker of the Official- Piet- List- Industrial- Fish Sca
le. It now belongs to the ages!! This is an incentive to carve another prop
. I am the low man on the totem pole with my lousy 260 lbs!
Dan Helsper
Puryear=2C TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu=2C Oct 11=2C 2012 11:14 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
How does one go about getting on the circulation list for the Official Fish
Scales? It seems that the Scales have so far been limited to use by prop
carvers=2C but I would be interested in knowing how Scout fares with the A7
5 and wood prop. I also have a Prince prop for it and would be interested
in a "fish head to fish head" comparison between the two if I had the scale
s available and could run one and then the other.
I will not have Scout up here and ready for testing until November=2C but w
ould be happy to pay shipping over and back if the Official Scales are avai
lable to non-carvers.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matro===================
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Fwd: New to Pietenpol list |
| From: | G <grantz5906(at)aol.com> |
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: New to Pietenpol list
From: G <grantz5906(at)aol.com>
CC:
Hello, all,
I am Grant Ziebell and live in Savannah, TN. I had been considering building a
Pietenpol for a while and have now taken the plunge. Plans are in hand, as
is the Corvair conversion manual.
I have been studying the plans and reviewing the archive contents of this invaluable
list. Much to learn before the first sawdust flies.
Is it worthwhile to purchase the "kits" from Aircraft Spruce or just develop my
own wood needs list?
I also read in the archives about McCormacks as a wood supplier. Is this a good
way to go since I will not be able to actually go to their facility ans select
the wood?
Had the opportunity a few weeks ago to spend time with Randy Bush and Dan Helsper
at the Beech River fly-in. Thanks, gentlemen, for the words of encouragement.
I look forward to the building experience and would like to hear from 'horzpool'
regarding his wider center section.
Grant Ziebell
Savannah, TN
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: official fish scales |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Per the advice of K. Perkins I run pure water. Its in a heated hangar for t
he winter so I don't have to worry. As far as The Fish Scale goes, Gene sen
d me your address off-list when you are ready. I expect to receive it back
from Jeff Faith (along with some of his home-brewed beer) any day now :O)
BTW how 'bout some photos? You're copying everything from others anyway, so
there is no reason for secrecy.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 5:04 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
Put me in line for the scale . . . I am ready to run the engine. Also, to
those of you running Model As, are you using pure water or some type of ant
ifreeze?? It is starting to freeze here, so I am hesitant to fill it to ru
n just to have to drain.
Gene
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:54:10 -0400
No, other than it is a "controlled" fish scale, and the same one used by (s
o far) three of us. So it conveys a certain amount of reliable information
when it comes to a thrust measurement as compared to other Piets. :O)
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
Is there something special about this particular scale?
Thanks
Andy Abreu
Toledo Ohio
Pietenpol A65
N6186L
--- On Fri, 10/12/12, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 11:22 AM
Oscar,
Let me know when you are ready. I'll have it here to send you for your test
. I am only the caretaker of the Official- Piet- List- Industrial- Fish Sca
le. It now belongs to the ages!! This is an incentive to carve another prop
. I am the low man on the totem pole with my lousy 260 lbs!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 11:14 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
How does one go about getting on the circulation list for the Official Fish
Scales? It seems that the Scales have so far been limited to use by prop
carvers, but I would be interested in knowing how Scout fares with the A75
and wood prop. I also have a Prince prop for it and would be interested in
a "fish head to fish head" comparison between the two if I had the scales
available and could run one and then the other.
I will not have Scout up here and ready for testing until November, but wou
ld be happy to pay shipping over and back if the Official Scales are availa
ble to non-carvers.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matro===================
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | official fish scales |
After seeing Douwe's and Gary's airplanes=2C I am ashamed to show photos .
. . . I am painting the wing as we speak. Just in case anyone was wonderi
ng=2C it takes 1 1/2 gallons of dope to make a complete wet cross coat on a
30 ft one piece wing (2X completely around wing=2C one side to side=2C one
up and down). Just finished my 5th cross coat . . . . Wet sand tomorrow
=2C silver on sunday
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Fri=2C 12 Oct 2012 18:13:34 -0400
Per the advice of K. Perkins I run pure water. Its in a heated hangar for t
he winter so I don't have to worry. As far as The Fish Scale goes=2C Gene s
end me your address off-list when you are ready. I expect to receive it bac
k from Jeff Faith (along with some of his home-brewed beer) any day now :O)
BTW how 'bout some photos? You're copying everything from others anyway=2C
so there is no reason for secrecy.
Dan Helsper
Puryear=2C TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Sent: Fri=2C Oct 12=2C 2012 5:04 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
Put me in line for the scale . . . I am ready to run the engine. Also=2C t
o those of you running Model As=2C are you using pure water or some type of
antifreeze?? It is starting to freeze here=2C so I am hesitant to fill it
to run just to have to drain.
Gene
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Fri=2C 12 Oct 2012 14:54:10 -0400
No=2C other than it is a "controlled" fish scale=2C and the same one used b
y (so far) three of us. So it conveys a certain amount of reliable informat
ion when it comes to a thrust measurement as compared to other Piets. :O)
Dan Helsper
Puryear=2C TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri=2C Oct 12=2C 2012 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
Is there something special about this particular scale?
Thanks
Andy Abreu
Toledo Ohio
Pietenpol A65
N6186L
--- On Fri=2C 10/12/12=2C helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
Date: Friday=2C October 12=2C 2012=2C 11:22 AM
Oscar=2C
Let me know when you are ready. I'll have it here to send you for your test
. I am only the caretaker of the Official- Piet- List- Industrial- Fish Sca
le. It now belongs to the ages!! This is an incentive to carve another prop
. I am the low man on the totem pole with my lousy 260 lbs!
Dan Helsper
Puryear=2C TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu=2C Oct 11=2C 2012 11:14 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
How does one go about getting on the circulation list for the Official Fish
Scales? It seems that the Scales have so far been limited to use by prop
carvers=2C but I would be interested in knowing how Scout fares with the A7
5 and wood prop. I also have a Prince prop for it and would be interested
in a "fish head to fish head" comparison between the two if I had the scale
s available and could run one and then the other.
I will not have Scout up here and ready for testing until November=2C but w
ould be happy to pay shipping over and back if the Official Scales are avai
lable to non-carvers.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matro===================
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave Millikan <n11dmx(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: New to Pietenpol list |
Welcome,..I am 2 yrs into a pete.wings and tail are built, fuse 10 %.
Steel fuse, have made many changes, moved wing aft based on William Wynes c
g- measurements at Brodhead 2010 and 2011.
3 ft ctr- section bbig aq$$ wheels from airdromes and aeroplanes in Misso
uri.
Dave-- N11DMX(at)yahoo.com
--- On Fri, 10/12/12, G wrote:
From: G <grantz5906(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: New to Pietenpol list
Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 10:05 PM
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: New to Pietenpol list
From: G <grantz5906(at)aol.com>
CC:
Hello, all,
I am Grant Ziebell and live in Savannah, TN.- I had been considering buil
ding a Pietenpol for a while and have now taken the plunge.- Plans are in
hand,- as is the Corvair conversion manual.
I have been studying the plans and reviewing the archive contents of this i
nvaluable list.- Much to learn before the first sawdust flies.
Is it worthwhile to purchase the "kits" from Aircraft Spruce or just develo
p my own wood needs list?
I also read in the archives about McCormacks as a wood supplier.- Is this
a good way to go since I will not be able to actually go to their facility
ans select the wood?
Had the opportunity a few weeks ago to spend time with Randy Bush and Dan H
elsper at the Beech River fly-in.- Thanks, gentlemen, for the- words of
encouragement.
I look forward to the building experience and would like to hear from 'horz
pool' regarding- his wider center section.-
Grant Ziebell
Savannah, TN
le, List Admin.
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: New to Pietenpol list |
Hey Grant
Are you a member of the Brodhead Pietenpol Assn.? If so go to Page 15,
there is an ad for wood from Bill Rewey, it looks like a great deal at $750
for Brodhead Pietenpol assnnough wood to build a Piet. Bills ph# is
608-833-5839.
He lives near Madison, Wi.
If you arent a member you should join, send a $20 check to Brodhead
Pietenpol Assn
Box 3501
Oshkosh, Wi. 54903
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "G" <grantz5906(at)aol.com>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 5:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: New to Pietenpol list
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: New to Pietenpol list
From: G <grantz5906(at)aol.com>
CC:
Hello, all,
I am Grant Ziebell and live in Savannah, TN. I had been considering
building a Pietenpol for a while and have now taken the plunge. Plans are
in hand, as is the Corvair conversion manual.
I have been studying the plans and reviewing the archive contents of this
invaluable list. Much to learn before the first sawdust flies.
Is it worthwhile to purchase the "kits" from Aircraft Spruce or just develop
my own wood needs list?
I also read in the archives about McCormacks as a wood supplier. Is this a
good way to go since I will not be able to actually go to their facility ans
select the wood?
Had the opportunity a few weeks ago to spend time with Randy Bush and Dan
Helsper at the Beech River fly-in. Thanks, gentlemen, for the words of
encouragement.
I look forward to the building experience and would like to hear from
'horzpool' regarding his wider center section.
Grant Ziebell
Savannah, TN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Fwd: New to Pietenpol list |
Welcome, Grant!! I cannot comment on buying wood kits, as I purchased all mine
(Poplar) from a local wood supplier. I can say, though, that if you spent time
with Randy and Dan and still want to be involved in the Pietenpol community you
will do great! ;-)
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of G
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: New to Pietenpol list
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: New to Pietenpol list
From: G <grantz5906(at)aol.com>
CC:
Hello, all,
I am Grant Ziebell and live in Savannah, TN. I had been considering building a
Pietenpol for a while and have now taken the plunge. Plans are in hand, as
is the Corvair conversion manual.
I have been studying the plans and reviewing the archive contents of this invaluable
list. Much to learn before the first sawdust flies.
Is it worthwhile to purchase the "kits" from Aircraft Spruce or just develop my
own wood needs list?
I also read in the archives about McCormacks as a wood supplier. Is this a good
way to go since I will not be able to actually go to their facility ans select
the wood?
Had the opportunity a few weeks ago to spend time with Randy Bush and Dan Helsper
at the Beech River fly-in. Thanks, gentlemen, for the words of encouragement.
I look forward to the building experience and would like to hear from 'horzpool'
regarding his wider center section.
Grant Ziebell
Savannah, TN
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | official fish scales |
I smell a rat! Dan - make him show the pictures!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:30 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
After seeing Douwe's and Gary's airplanes, I am ashamed to show photos . . .
.
I am painting the wing as we speak. Just in case anyone was wondering, it
takes 1 1/2 gallons of dope to make a complete wet cross coat on a 30 ft one
piece wing (2X completely around wing, one side to side, one up and down).
Just finished my 5th cross coat . . . . Wet sand tomorrow, silver on sunday
_____
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:13:34 -0400
Per the advice of K. Perkins I run pure water. Its in a heated hangar for
the winter so I don't have to worry. As far as The Fish Scale goes, Gene
send me your address off-list when you are ready. I expect to receive it
back from Jeff Faith (along with some of his home-brewed beer) any day now
:O)
BTW how 'bout some photos? You're copying everything from others anyway, so
there is no reason for secrecy.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 5:04 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
Put me in line for the scale . . . I am ready to run the engine. Also, to
those of you running Model As, are you using pure water or some type of
antifreeze?? It is starting to freeze here, so I am hesitant to fill it to
run just to have to drain.
Gene
_____
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:54:10 -0400
No, other than it is a "controlled" fish scale, and the same one used by (so
far) three of us. So it conveys a certain amount of reliable information
when it comes to a thrust measurement as compared to other Piets. :O)
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
Is there something special about this particular scale?
Thanks
Andy Abreu
Toledo Ohio
Pietenpol A65
N6186L
--- On Fri, 10/12/12, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 11:22 AM
Oscar,
Let me know when you are ready. I'll have it here to send you for your test.
I am only the caretaker of the Official- Piet- List- Industrial- Fish Scale.
It now belongs to the ages!! This is an incentive to carve another prop. I
am the low man on the totem pole with my lousy 260 lbs!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 11:14 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
How does one go about getting on the circulation list for the Official Fish
Scales? It seems that the Scales have so far been limited to use by prop
carvers, but I would be interested in knowing how Scout fares with the A75
and wood prop. I also have a Prince prop for it and would be interested in
a "fish head to fish head" comparison between the two if I had the scales
available and could run one and then the other.
I will not have Scout up here and ready for testing until November, but
would be happy to pay shipping over and back if the Official Scales are
available to non-carvers.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: New to Pietenpol list |
Hi again Grant
Sorry , I didnt read your whole sending off the last post. The 2" wider
fuse I belive is some what un-necessary. I know some will disagree with
that so sit in one first and see how you feel after that.
Best luck to you.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "G" <grantz5906(at)aol.com>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 5:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: New to Pietenpol list
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: New to Pietenpol list
From: G <grantz5906(at)aol.com>
CC:
Hello, all,
I am Grant Ziebell and live in Savannah, TN. I had been considering
building a Pietenpol for a while and have now taken the plunge. Plans are
in hand, as is the Corvair conversion manual.
I have been studying the plans and reviewing the archive contents of this
invaluable list. Much to learn before the first sawdust flies.
Is it worthwhile to purchase the "kits" from Aircraft Spruce or just develop
my own wood needs list?
I also read in the archives about McCormacks as a wood supplier. Is this a
good way to go since I will not be able to actually go to their facility ans
select the wood?
Had the opportunity a few weeks ago to spend time with Randy Bush and Dan
Helsper at the Beech River fly-in. Thanks, gentlemen, for the words of
encouragement.
I look forward to the building experience and would like to hear from
'horzpool' regarding his wider center section.
Grant Ziebell
Savannah, TN
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| From: | "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com> |
Well after much hesitation,trying to plan ahead,cutting and fitting I have both
sides of a steel fuselage hanging on the wall. I added a door on the left side
and 6 inches to the front. You guys bear with me I am trying to get a good work
schedule going.
--------
Building steel fuselage aircamper.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385229#385229
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| Subject: | Re: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... |
| From: | "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com> |
In 1996 a good friend and I flew his Arctic Tern to Oshkosh When I was tying the
tail down I found the tail spring at top of the hole about to come loose. I
almost fainted,Kip had just got finished rebuilding the plane from a so called
friends bad landing. I had landed the plane at Oshkosh and Kip would have blown
a gasket if I had ground looped and bent the plane.[/b]
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Building steel fuselage aircamper.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385230#385230
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| Subject: | Re: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... |
| From: | "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com> |
In 1996 a good friend and I flew his Arctic Tern to Oshkosh When I was tying the
tail down I found the tail spring at top of the hole about to come loose. I
almost fainted,Kip had just got finished rebuilding the plane from a so called
friends bad landing. I had landed the plane at Oshkosh and Kip would have blown
a gasket if I had ground looped and bent the plane.[/b]
--------
Building steel fuselage aircamper.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385231#385231
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey Gene,
I had to keep at least a 50/50 mix in my Ford during the winters. I once
cracked a block on a auto engine conversion project I had sitting in my
studio and it was a real bummer!
Don't risk it!
Douwe
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are |
secure....
Hi Jerry,
The gull wing Stinson is one=C2- of the most beautiful airplanes ever I t
hink. A local dentist in Redfield SD had one and I always loved seeing it.
Never had a ride in one unfortunately but maybe someday!
Thanks for the picture.
Jim B.
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| From: | "Donald Lane" <dslane(at)embarqmail.com> |
| Subject: | official fish scales |
Am using water with water pump lube added, Zerex product from NAPA, per
Ken Perkins. I drain it when needed to protect from freezing.
I would also like to get in line for the official fish scales. I am
running a home carved propeller, copied from another, origin unknown. I
am interested to see how it compares.
Don Lane
Minnesott Beach NC
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| Subject: | Re: radiator fluid |
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
In seeking answers about the Model-A I look to those who went before me and those
with experience. Those with experience would be the model-A clubs and their
presence is abundant on the web. Some of those who went before me are on this
list, some are not. Both camps advocate a 50/50 mix of antifreeze and water
during the winter so thats set. During the summer, some advocate pure water
(distilled) and some the addition of WaterWetter to that distilled water. The
question is do you want the best, or whats adequate?
Depending on your flying and location, a 50/50 mix could work year round. I fly
in a low altitude and cool environment so Ill start by using the 50/50 mix and
if my temps stay where I want them, Ill use it year round if I lived in Colorado
or the deep south I might need to run a different seasonal mix. I like
the KISS methodology and like to use products that can be found easily from multiple
sources particularly if I plan on cross-country travel so I often ask
myself, could I find this at a country store. Water alone can be had anywhere.
Anti-freeze, just about. Redline WaterWetter, not so much.
Read http://www.rockymountainmodelaclub.org/Cooling_System_Fluids_v2007.pdf for a dissertation about cooling fluids for the Model-A and search other Model-A websites.
Another area for study will be engine oil. Ive found that newer oils are not best
for the Model-A due to lack of zinc (an anti-pollution move). If you use
oil with higher rating than SAE SF then adding ZDDPLUS will restore it to the
SF levels. Using plain 30wt HD oil will prevent you from having to add an additive
and can be found in automotive, hardware and even some grocery stores (so
it may pass my country store test).
Half the fun of running these old time engines is learning the folklore that goes
with them, but be wary of falling into the trap of needing the absolute best
or scientifically the best. The most eloquent solutions are dirt simple and
readily available.
Ill run a 50/50 mix and watch my temps. If I find myself in the southwest desert
in a heat spell running high temps, I may drain it out and replace it with
pure water knowing Ill find antifreeze by winter.
Best of luck and enjoy the ride!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385253#385253
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: radiator fluid |
the 50/50 mix may well work for cars=2C but you might find yourself lifting
paint off of your aircraft or poisoning yourself or both as the aircraft a
pplication does leak from time to time. I think I'll stick with water and
drain it after running. Gene
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: radiator fluid
> From: billsayre(at)ymail.com
> Date: Sat=2C 13 Oct 2012 12:42:35 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> In seeking answers about the Model-A I look to those who went before me a
nd those with experience. Those with experience would be the model-A clubs
and their presence is abundant on the web. Some of those who went before
me are on this list=2C some are not. Both camps advocate a 50/50 mix of an
tifreeze and water during the winter so that=99s set. During the sum
mer=2C some advocate pure water (distilled) and some the addition of WaterW
etter to that distilled water. The question is do you want the best=2C or
what=99s adequate?
>
> Depending on your flying and location=2C a 50/50 mix could work year roun
d. I fly in a low altitude and cool environment so I=99ll start by u
sing the 50/50 mix and if my temps stay where I want them=2C I=99ll u
se it year round =93 if I lived in Colorado or the deep south I might
need to run a different seasonal mix. I like the KISS methodology and lik
e to use products that can be found easily from multiple sources particular
ly if I plan on cross-country travel so I often ask myself=2C could I find
this at a country store. Water alone can be had anywhere. Anti-freeze=2C
just about. Redline WaterWetter=2C not so much.
>
> Read http://www.rockymountainmodelaclub.org/Cooling_System_Fluids_v2007.p
df for a dissertation about cooling fluids for the Model-A and search other
Model-A websites.
>
> Another area for study will be engine oil. I=99ve found that newer
oils are not best for the Model-A due to lack of zinc (an anti-pollution m
ove). If you use oil with higher rating than SAE SF then adding ZDDPLUS wi
ll restore it to the SF levels. Using plain 30wt HD oil will prevent you f
rom having to add an additive and can be found in automotive=2C hardware an
d even some grocery stores (so it may pass my country store test).
>
> Half the fun of running these old time engines is learning the folklore t
hat goes with them=2C but be wary of falling into the trap of needing the a
bsolute best or scientifically the best. The most eloquent solutions are d
irt simple and readily available.
>
> I=99ll run a 50/50 mix and watch my temps. If I find myself in the
southwest desert in a heat spell running high temps=2C I may drain it out
and replace it with pure water knowing I=99ll find antifreeze by wint
er.
>
> Best of luck and enjoy the ride!
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385253#385253
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: radiator fluid |
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
I did have leaks on the first run especially - loose clamps that hadn't set in
with the heat et cetera, but I didn't lose any paint (Latex) and I only have an
occasional facial twitch so far.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385257#385257
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: radiator fluid |
I have to reply to this one tho I am not a rariator man except in my car. A few
years ago I picked up a piece of metal and sliced my fuel tank abt 4 inches.
pouring out fuel I made it to a RV repair shop 2 miles away. They could not fix
it but suggested I rub a bar of soap on the crack which I did and drove the car
for a month before replacing the tank. I t did not leak. Another suggestion was
if you had a radiator leak you should pour a cup of EGG white in and it would
seal it. HAVE NOT HAD TO USE THAT ONE.
cHEERS, Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: BYD <billsayre(at)ymail.com>
Sent: Sat, October 13, 2012 3:43:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: radiator fluid
In seeking answers about the Model-A I look to those who went before me and
those with experience. Those with experience would be the model-A clubs and
their presence is abundant on the web. Some of those who went before me are on
this list, some are not. Both camps advocate a 50/50 mix of antifreeze and
water during the winter so thats set. During the summer, some advocate pure
water (distilled) and some the addition of WaterWetter to that distilled water.
The question is do you want the best, or whats adequate?
Depending on your flying and location, a 50/50 mix could work year round. I fly
in a low altitude and cool environment so Ill start by using the 50/50 mix
and if my temps stay where I want them, Ill use it year round if I lived
in Colorado or the deep south I might need to run a different seasonal mix. I
like the KISS methodology and like to use products that can be found easily from
multiple sources particularly if I plan on cross-country travel so I often ask
myself, could I find this at a country store. Water alone can be had anywhere.
Anti-freeze, just about. Redline WaterWetter, not so much.
Read http://www.rockymountainmodelaclub.org/Cooling_System_Fluids_v2007.pdf for
a dissertation about cooling fluids for the Model-A and search other Model-A
websites.
Another area for study will be engine oil. Ive found that newer oils are not
best for the Model-A due to lack of zinc (an anti-pollution move). If you use
oil with higher rating than SAE SF then adding ZDDPLUS will restore it to the SF
levels. Using plain 30wt HD oil will prevent you from having to add an additive
and can be found in automotive, hardware and even some grocery stores (so it may
pass my country store test).
Half the fun of running these old time engines is learning the folklore that
goes with them, but be wary of falling into the trap of needing the absolute
best or scientifically the best. The most eloquent solutions are dirt simple
and readily available.
Ill run a 50/50 mix and watch my temps. If I find myself in the southwest
desert in a heat spell running high temps, I may drain it out and replace it
with pure water knowing Ill find antifreeze by winter.
Best of luck and enjoy the ride!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385253#385253
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| Subject: | Re: Tubing Coping |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Soooo... I'm reading through the notes page for the Tube Coping Calculator I posted
at the beginning of this thread... you know how it goes... open package,
play with new tool and THEN read instructions.
Anyhow... it clearly states right in the notes that, "specifying the tube's wall
thickness makes the cut fit to the inside diameter of the tube, which makes
it easier to fit, and makes a nice notch for welding." Perhaps THIS is the reason
I had good success with my first attempt? LOL!
I still visualize a nicely contoured notch with flush fitting edges that are tapered
to the mating tube, which would mean that the ID and OD would be considered,
but I can see where in my current application (landing gear), where heavy
walled tube is going to be welded, the ID and notched edge is preferred.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385261#385261
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| From: | "Steve Ruse" <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... |
Good reminder Mike.
After losing a tailwheel spring on my GN-1 the day I bought it, I
thought it was a good idea to secure the springs. Now I keep them
safety wired where the spring can't just pop off when there is no
tension. I haven't had one come loose in ~8 years.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are
secure....
We lost a spring on our Champ tailwheel steering years ago and almost
groundlooped.
Here's a scary result of losing a spring on landing.
Make sure those things won't pop off. Even if they do you can still
control directionally
with prop blasts over the rudder.
Mike C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGOwcnGts4s&feature=related
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: radiator fluid |
I've used pepper many times in car and truck
rads. Strange how these things happen after
your vehicle travels a few hundred thousand
miles. :-)
Another trick is to use your lady's nylons to
replace a broken fan belt. I wonder if Waldo
ever had occasion to use that one on his
Hisso.
Clif
The Early Bird may get the worm but the second
mouse gets the cheese.
> I have to reply to this one tho I am not a rariator man except in my car..
> Another suggestion was
> if you had a radiator leak you should pour a cup of EGG white in and it
> would
> seal it. HAVE NOT HAD TO USE THAT ONE.
> cHEERS, Gardiner Mason
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| Subject: | Re: official fish scales |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Don,
There is no official "line" for the Official Pietenpol-List Fish Scale. Who
ever wants it gets it. IF you are ready just send me a note off-line, and i
t will be on it's way to you.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Lane <dslane(at)embarqmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 13, 2012 8:00 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales
Am using water with water pump lube added, Zerex product from NAPA, per Ken
Perkins. I drain it when needed to protect from freezing.
I would also like to get in line for the official fish scales. I am runnin
g a home carved propeller, copied from another, origin unknown. I am inter
ested to see how it compares.
Don Lane
Minnesott Beach NC
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| Subject: | Firewall Bracing |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Trying to figure the support for my nose tank. The plans call for a piece of ash
11/2 x 11/4 placed horizontally between the top longerons. Can anyone assist
with comments or pictures showing their application?
Thanks!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
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| From: | Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... |
http://tinyurl.com/9hqk4ct
Our spring is preloaded with a cable and nicopress.=C2- see picture.
Andy
N6186L
--- On Sun, 10/14/12, Steve Ruse wrote:
From: Steve Ruse <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are
secure....
Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 12:51 AM
=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0AGood reminder Mike.=0A=C2-=0AAfter losing a tailwh
eel spring on my GN-1 the day =0AI bought it, I thought it was a good idea
to secure the springs.=C2- Now I =0Akeep them safety wired where the spri
ng can't just pop off when there is no =0Atension.=C2- I haven't had one
come loose in ~8 years.=0A=C2-=0ASteve Ruse=0ANorman, OK=0A=0A
=0A=0AFrom: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage =0APartners, LLC] =0ASent: F
riday, October 12, 2012 11:39 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0A=0AS
ubject: Pietenpol-List: make sure your tailwheel steering springs =0Aare se
cure....=0A
=0A=0AWe lost a =0Aspring on our Champ tailwheel steering years ago and alm
ost =0Agroundlooped. =0AHere=99s a =0Ascary result of losing a spring
on landing. =0A =C2- =0AMake sure =0Athose things won=99t pop off
.=C2- Even if they do you can still control =0Adirectionally =0Awith prop
=0Ablasts over the rudder. =0A =C2- =0AMike =0AC. =0A =C2- =0Ahttp://
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ms.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronic
===============0A=0A
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... |
The first thing told to me by two tail wheel gurus during my tailwheel checkout
was
"During pre-flight look at the tail wheel springs. Make sure they are preloaded
with no slack." then both related accidents or near accidents due to loose/broken
tail wheel springs.
First make sure you know what you are looking for.
As a student pilot I was taught to look the engine over. I had no idea what I was
looking at. But I looked. During my first Owner hindered annual (Cessna 150)
I learned a great deal about what to look for.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:45
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure....
> http://tinyurl.com/9hqk4ct
>
> Our spring is preloaded with a cable and nicopress. see picture.
>
> Andy
> N6186L
>
> --- On Sun, 10/14/12, Steve Ruse < wrote:
>
> From: Steve Ruse <
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure....
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 12:51 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Good reminder Mike.
>
> After losing a tailwheel spring on my GN-1 the day
> I bought it, I thought it was a good idea to secure the springs. Now I
> keep them safety wired where the spring can't just pop off when there is no
> tension. I haven't had one come loose in ~8 years.
>
> Steve Ruse
> Norman, OK
>
>
>
>
> From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
> Partners, LLC]
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:39 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: make sure your tailwheel steering springs
> are secure....
>
>
>
> We lost a
> spring on our Champ tailwheel steering years ago and almost
> groundlooped.
> Heres a
> scary result of losing a spring on landing.
>
> Make sure
> those things wont pop off. Even if they do you can still control
> directionally
> with prop
> blasts over the rudder.
>
> Mike
> C.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGOwcnGts4s&feature=related
>
>
>
>
> href="blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="blockedhttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="blockedhttp://www.matronic=============
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... |
One safety measure you guys might want to consider, especially if you do no
t have differential brakes, is to install a type of "jumper" cable that wil
l attach to the cables where the spring is attached. This cable can share t
he same thimbles as the springs at both ends. Think of it-like safety cha
ins on a truck pulling a trailer. Attach the jumper on one cable end, leave
enough slack for the spring to work and attach the other end on the other
cable. If the spring separates, the jumper will keep the cables connected a
nd provide limited control.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Firewall Bracing |
Jack, the attached pictures demonstrate what I did. I knew how I wanted the
tank mounted prior to building the fuselage, so I positioned the white ash
cross piece as I needed it. I believe it is 3/4" X 2".
-
I designed and fabricated the fuel tank to fit.- The tank sits on the ins
trument shelf and the ash.- It will be held in place with a strap and sid
e to side movement will be restricted by some rubber inserts between the ta
nk sides and fuselage.
-
I have a write up on it in a previous newsletter.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Fwd: New to Pietenpol list |
Hello Grant. Welcome to the Pitenpol list.
-
This past July marked my fourth year building my plane. I believe it will b
e flight ready by end of next summer.
-
I opted to buy all my sitka and plywood in bulk and machine my own pieces.
- My wood came from McCormick's and Public Lumber.- (On internet)- I
have the tools to do this and loved the work involved.
-
Not for everyone, but a good option.
-
I hope I may be of assistance to you in the future.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Todd Pryby" <tpryby(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | New Pietenpol Builder |
I have finally purchased my builder plans for the Pietenpol Air Camper and
wonder if anyone has modified the plans to increase the useable payload. I
weight 250 and would like to carry a passenger and fuel.
Todd Pryby
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| Subject: | Re: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... |
| From: | "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com> |
My friend Kip Yearwood in Sanger, Texas has a Gullwing that he is restoring. Before
he dismantled it he let me fly it from Texarkana to Justine,Texas one time,and
it is one big sweet flying airplane. Once trimmed out it is surprising how
light the controls are considering how big the plane is. Only thing is, it
is a costly plane to fly. With the 300 horsepower lycoming engine you better bring
plenty oil with you.[/b]
--------
Building steel fuselage aircamper.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385333#385333
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| Subject: | Re: radiator fluid |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
I've been working in commercial and industrial water treatment for 15
years, so I feel compelled to share my two cents here. Distilled water is
corrosive, especially with respect to steel. I don't recommend using
distilled water unless you add a corrosion inhibitor. Name brand
automotive coolants have pH buffers and corrosion inhibitors that do a good
job preventing corrosion. Typically, a 50/50 glycol mix only reduces heat
transfer by approximately 10%. Not a big deal.
Greg Bacon
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 2:42 PM, BYD wrote:
>
> In seeking answers about the Model-A I look to those who went before me
> and those with experience. Those with experience would be the model-A
> clubs and their presence is abundant on the web. Some of those who went
> before me are on this list, some are not. Both camps advocate a 50/50 mi
x
> of antifreeze and water during the winter so that=92s set. During the
> summer, some advocate pure water (distilled) and some the addition of
> WaterWetter to that distilled water. The question is do you want the bes
t,
> or what=92s adequate?
>
> Depending on your flying and location, a 50/50 mix could work year round.
> I fly in a low altitude and cool environment so I=92ll start by using th
e
> 50/50 mix and if my temps stay where I want them, I=92ll use it year roun
d '
> if I lived in Colorado or the deep south I might need to run a different
> seasonal mix. I like the KISS methodology and like to use products that
> can be found easily from multiple sources particularly if I plan on
> cross-country travel so I often ask myself, could I find this at a countr
y
> store. Water alone can be had anywhere. Anti-freeze, just about. Redli
ne
> WaterWetter, not so much.
>
> Read
> http://www.rockymountainmodelaclub.org/Cooling_System_Fluids_v2007.pdffor
a dissertation about cooling fluids for the Model-A and search other
> Model-A websites.
>
> Another area for study will be engine oil. I=92ve found that newer oils
are
> not best for the Model-A due to lack of zinc (an anti-pollution move). I
f
> you use oil with higher rating than SAE SF then adding ZDDPLUS will resto
re
> it to the SF levels. Using plain 30wt HD oil will prevent you from havin
g
> to add an additive and can be found in automotive, hardware and even some
> grocery stores (so it may pass my country store test).
>
> Half the fun of running these old time engines is learning the folklore
> that goes with them, but be wary of falling into the trap of needing the
> absolute best or scientifically the best. The most eloquent solutions ar
e
> dirt simple and readily available.
>
> I=92ll run a 50/50 mix and watch my temps. If I find myself in the
> southwest desert in a heat spell running high temps, I may drain it out a
nd
> replace it with pure water knowing I=92ll find antifreeze by winter.
>
> Best of luck and enjoy the ride!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385253#385253
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | nose fuel tank supports |
Jack-I've got a few sketches of how I supported my nose fuel tank that Chri
s Tracy was kind enough to post
here of possible interest: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20C
uy%20A-65%20Piet/mike_cuy_3.htm
Mike C.
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| From: | "Ralph" <ralphhsd(at)itctel.com> |
I have been following the posts concerning the official =9Cfish
scale=9D for measuring prop performance. Here in the Midwest a
hardware store called =9CMAC=99S=9D has a =9Cbig
game scale=9D with a 440 pound capacity. I haven=99t seen
it yet but for the sale price of $12.99 I am going to check it out. The
price is probably less than two shipping charges to use the
=9COFFICIAL FISH SCALE=9D.
Ralph in South Dakota
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| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | which Bingelis book |
I'm ordering one of the construction technique books by Bingelis but I see
there are two which don't seem to be terribly different... Construction Te
chniques and then there is Sport Plane Builder. Which one is preferred for
the subject matters I'll need working on the Piet. Maybe it's best to buy
both??
Tom B.
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| Subject: | Re: which Bingelis book |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
This is what you should buy:
http://www.shopeaa.com/bingelissetof4.aspx
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:28 AM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote:
> I'm ordering one of the construction technique books by Bingelis but I
> see there are two which don't seem to be terribly different...
> Construction Techniques and then there is Sport Plane Builder. Which one
> is preferred for the subject matters I'll need working on the Piet. Maybe
> it's best to buy both??
>
> Tom B.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: which Bingelis book |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I would recommend both, Tom... the two you mention are similar, but there are notable
differences.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385374#385374
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: which Bingelis book |
Buy both because they do cover different subjects some and even the same subjects
are show with different diagrams, photos and explanations.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: which Bingelis book |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
I'll second Mark and Ryan. While the topics are similar, I don't
think there is any specific content shared across the Bingelis books.
Ken
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:19 AM, K5YAC wrote:
>
> I would recommend both, Tom... the two you mention are similar, but there are
notable differences.
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385374#385374
>
>
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| Subject: | Piet fuse and tail feathers on craigslist |
| From: | "gabenner" <gbenner(at)bixbymachine.com> |
Hello,
Search for craigslist spokane and then aircraft.
Take care!
Gary
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385404#385404
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Builder |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
How big a passenger?
Are you sure the Pietenpol is for you? Build it light, and keep your passengers
small. To modify the airplane is to be your own aircraft designer.
Just my $.02
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385434#385434
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Builder |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
There's some small changes that are common enough that they are well vetted and
you're not really just starting over... such as...
A little more room between the wing and fuse. A little wider. The long fuse version
and of course some more horse power.
However, if you want something that's a little roomier and can routinely carry
passengers along, you might seriously consider a larger plane. A Bakeng Deuce
is a 2 hole open cockpit parasol for example.
If you just really really like the lines of a Piet, I'd consider the Bakeng and
changing the shape of tail feathers, cowling, etc rather than changing the Piet
too much.
This from someone who picked a Piet so he wouldn't have to do ANY designing himself!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385469#385469
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | which Bingelis book |
Unless you are an experienced builder, then I would buy all 4. If you are an
experienced builder, then I would buy all 4.
Barry D
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM MICHELLE
BRANT
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 12:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: which Bingelis book
I'm ordering one of the construction technique books by Bingelis but I see
there are two which don't seem to be terribly different... Construction
Techniques and then there is Sport Plane Builder. Which one is preferred
for the subject matters I'll need working on the Piet. Maybe it's best to
buy both??
Tom B.
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| From: | ellery voge <elleryvoge(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Builder |
Has anyone tried reducing the wing span? Curious to know.
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
> From: n0kkj(at)yahoo.com
> Date: Tue=2C 16 Oct 2012 09:47:00 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> There's some small changes that are common enough that they are well vett
ed and you're not really just starting over... such as...
>
> A little more room between the wing and fuse. A little wider. The long
fuse version and of course some more horse power.
>
> However=2C if you want something that's a little roomier and can routinel
y carry passengers along=2C you might seriously consider a larger plane. A
Bakeng Deuce is a 2 hole open cockpit parasol for example.
>
> If you just really really like the lines of a Piet=2C I'd consider the Ba
keng and changing the shape of tail feathers=2C cowling=2C etc rather than
changing the Piet too much.
>
> This from someone who picked a Piet so he wouldn't have to do ANY designi
ng himself!
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385469#385469
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Builder |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
I'm sure if it can be done, it has been done. I've never heard of
anyone thinking that a shorter wing span on a Pietenpol was a good
idea. Many people have advocated lengthening the wing span. I
lengthened mine by a total of 18 inches, hopefully to give somewhat
better climb performance at the high density altitudes where I'm
located. Not flying yet, but it looks nice in the hangar.
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 11:50 AM, ellery voge wrote:
> Has anyone tried reducing the wing span? Curious to know.
>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
>> From: n0kkj(at)yahoo.com
>> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:47:00 -0700
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>>
>> There's some small changes that are common enough that they are well
>> vetted and you're not really just starting over... such as...
>>
>> A little more room between the wing and fuse. A little wider. The long
>> fuse version and of course some more horse power.
>>
>> However, if you want something that's a little roomier and can routinely
>> carry passengers along, you might seriously consider a larger plane. A
>> Bakeng Deuce is a 2 hole open cockpit parasol for example.
>>
>> If you just really really like the lines of a Piet, I'd consider the
>> Bakeng and changing the shape of tail feathers, cowling, etc rather than
>> changing the Piet too much.
>>
>> This from someone who picked a Piet so he wouldn't have to do ANY
>> designing himself!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385469#385469
>>
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> >======
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | reducing the wingspan |
Ellery,
Welcome to the group and glad you're building a Pietenpol. This is a goo
d group of folks and there are some very talented
and extremely well versed and knowledgeable people on the list and most of
them are even housebroken:). !
I've never heard of anyone reducing the wingspan on a Piet but rather makin
g it longer. Most low power (65 horse Continentals and such)
planes of the 1940's like Taylorcrafts, Luscombes, Cubs, and Champs had win
gspans in the 35' range.
The Pietenpols wing is only 29' so making it a little longer is goodness in
that you will be able to lift more weight and that is important
if you're on a shorter field or high elevation...even on hotter days it wil
l help you.
I built my Pietenpol with the standard 29' wing but if I had to do it over
again I might make my center section wider as Jack Phillips
did and if not mistaken Bill Rewey-this gives you more wing area, greater l
ifting capability. I wouldn't hesitate to add 2-3 feet to
the overall length of my wing.
Whatever you built, Piet or other design, try your best to keep it light an
d it will then be a GOOD performing airplane. Most of us are
not 150 pound pilots like Bernard Pietenpol was so if you are heavier and y
ou want to take a full-size adult for a Piet ride your best bet
is too keep the plane light when building.
Nothing is more frightening than wondering if you're going to be able to cl
imb high enough on a hot day with a passenger to clear
the tops of telephone wires or tree tops. Every extra pound you add is on
e you'll have to take for each ride also.
Mike C.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Barry Davis fantastic quote |
Okay Barry-you are now my new hero. This is the best post I've seen on the
list ever:)!
In regard to the Tony Bingelis book series Barry writes:
Unless you are an experienced builder, then I would buy all 4. If you are a
n experienced builder, then I would buy all 4.
Barry D
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Allan Macklem" <awmacklem(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | reducing the wingspan |
I'm interested in the pros and cons of lengthening the wings. I understand
more wing area = more lift. What are the negatives (decrease in speed?) and
how great are they?
Widening the center wing section must have is limitation in relationship to
the width of the fuselage. What width center section did Jack and Bill
achieve? Can the wing tips also be extended 12-18" on each side? Seems
like this would be about two ribs per wing.
If the wings are lengthened what are the major changes needed to support the
longer wings?
Allan Macklem
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: reducing the wingspan
Ellery,
Welcome to the group and glad you're building a Pietenpol. This is a good
group of folks and there are some very talented
and extremely well versed and knowledgeable people on the list and most of
them are even housebrokenJ. !
I've never heard of anyone reducing the wingspan on a Piet but rather making
it longer. Most low power (65 horse Continentals and such)
planes of the 1940's like Taylorcrafts, Luscombes, Cubs, and Champs had
wingspans in the 35' range.
The Pietenpols wing is only 29' so making it a little longer is goodness in
that you will be able to lift more weight and that is important
if you're on a shorter field or high elevation.even on hotter days it will
help you.
I built my Pietenpol with the standard 29' wing but if I had to do it over
again I might make my center section wider as Jack Phillips
did and if not mistaken Bill Rewey-this gives you more wing area, greater
lifting capability. I wouldn't hesitate to add 2-3 feet to
the overall length of my wing.
Whatever you built, Piet or other design, try your best to keep it light and
it will then be a GOOD performing airplane. Most of us are
not 150 pound pilots like Bernard Pietenpol was so if you are heavier and
you want to take a full-size adult for a Piet ride your best bet
is too keep the plane light when building.
Nothing is more frightening than wondering if you're going to be able to
climb high enough on a hot day with a passenger to clear
the tops of telephone wires or tree tops. Every extra pound you add is one
you'll have to take for each ride also.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | I flew Re-PIET!!! |
Well after ten years of work and a lifetime of daydreams, I flew "Re-PIET"
today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Flew from the asphalt runway near my house to a grass paradise an hour away
where she'll stay until I'm ready for pavement.
The flight could NOT have been better in any possible way. Engine temps
were good, (C-90 with Cloud Car prop) and she climbed very strongly (66
degree day with 12 gallons and 160 lb Douwe), about like the 85 horse Cub
I've been practicing in with two people aboard, but I didn't have a VSI so
I'm not sure.
GPS said cruise was 75, but there was a bit of a tailwind, so it was
probably more like 70.
Flew totally hands off, seriously! The almost 1" stab offset is perfect,
didn't need to touch the rudder to keep her straight and the servo elevator
trim worked beautifully, just push the switch to get whatever trim you want.
Was very pleased with that.
Practiced some stalls at about 1,000rpm like landing and almost couldn't get
her to break, she just mushed along. Power off was straight ahead and
clean.
Smoke system worked great, though I'll have to add some longer "downtubes"
off my long exhaust to keep unburnt oil off the tail.
Controls were super light and pleasant in all regards. Much nicer than the
cub I've been flying.
Landing was a non-event, except that the sun was directly in my eyes as it
was evening and the refraction through the two plexi windscreens precluded
ANY forward vis, plus the runway slants east so it was in the dark and I
could NOT see the runway. Had to go around once, then really had to feel my
way down, but it ended very nicely and she just settled down and tracked
very straight.
I didn't think I'd need goggles. I was wrong, I need them unless I sit
right up behind the windscreen.
Thanks all for your help, advice and encouragement through the years. Too
many to name, but I am hugely indebted to you all.
Just a lovely, lovely airplane in all regards...
Keep building gents, IT'S WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
That grin says it all. Congratulations.
Dave
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| From: | Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
Douwe,
Wow... congratulation.- I have not experience building a Piet ... other t
han having the privileged to get my ticket in it.....- Great airplane in
my estimation.- It must have been a fantastic journey building a Piet.-
I only dream to build on a flying machine.- Hats off to you and the gent
leman.. God Rest His Soul... that build the "JOY" that I am so lucky to fly
whenever I want and the weather permits.
Andy
--- On Tue, 10/16/12, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I flew Re-PIET!!!
Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2012, 10:35 PM
Well after ten years of work and a lifetime of daydreams, I flew "Re-PIET"
today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Flew from the asphalt runway near my house to a grass paradise an hour away
where she'll stay until I'm ready for pavement.
The flight could NOT have been better in any possible way.- Engine temps
were good, (C-90 with Cloud Car prop) and she climbed very strongly (66
degree day with 12 gallons and 160 lb Douwe), about like the 85 horse Cub
I've been practicing in with two people aboard, but I didn't have a VSI so
I'm not sure.
GPS said cruise was 75, but there was a bit of a tailwind, so it was
probably more like 70.
Flew totally hands off, seriously!- The almost 1" stab offset is perfect,
didn't need to touch the rudder to keep her straight and the servo elevator
trim worked beautifully, just push the switch to get whatever trim you want
.
Was very pleased with that.
Practiced some stalls at about 1,000rpm like landing and almost couldn't ge
t
her to break, she just mushed along.- Power off was straight ahead and
clean.
Smoke system worked great, though I'll have to add some longer "downtubes"
off my long exhaust to keep unburnt oil off the tail.
Controls were super light and pleasant in all regards.- Much nicer than t
he
cub I've been flying.
Landing was a non-event, except that the sun was directly in my eyes as it
was evening and the refraction through the two plexi windscreens precluded
ANY forward vis, plus the runway slants east so it was in the dark and I
could NOT see the runway.- Had to go around once, then really had to feel
my
way down, but it ended very nicely and she just settled down and tracked
very straight.
I didn't think I'd need goggles.- I was wrong, I need them unless I sit
right up behind the windscreen.
Thanks all for your help, advice and encouragement through the years.- To
o
many to name, but I am hugely indebted to you all.
Just a lovely, lovely airplane in all regards...
Keep building gents, IT'S WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | I flew Re-PIET!!! |
Douwe,
You are a Pietenpol ICON!! and a real role model! Many happy landings...
Oh...Congratulations on making the newsletter front page!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I flew Re-PIET!!!
Well after ten years of work and a lifetime of daydreams, I flew "Re-PIET"
today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Flew from the asphalt runway near my house to a grass paradise an hour away
where she'll stay until I'm ready for pavement.
The flight could NOT have been better in any possible way. Engine temps
were good, (C-90 with Cloud Car prop) and she climbed very strongly (66
degree day with 12 gallons and 160 lb Douwe), about like the 85 horse Cub
I've been practicing in with two people aboard, but I didn't have a VSI so
I'm not sure.
GPS said cruise was 75, but there was a bit of a tailwind, so it was
probably more like 70.
Flew totally hands off, seriously! The almost 1" stab offset is perfect,
didn't need to touch the rudder to keep her straight and the servo elevator
trim worked beautifully, just push the switch to get whatever trim you want.
Was very pleased with that.
Practiced some stalls at about 1,000rpm like landing and almost couldn't get
her to break, she just mushed along. Power off was straight ahead and
clean.
Smoke system worked great, though I'll have to add some longer "downtubes"
off my long exhaust to keep unburnt oil off the tail.
Controls were super light and pleasant in all regards. Much nicer than the
cub I've been flying.
Landing was a non-event, except that the sun was directly in my eyes as it
was evening and the refraction through the two plexi windscreens precluded
ANY forward vis, plus the runway slants east so it was in the dark and I
could NOT see the runway. Had to go around once, then really had to feel my
way down, but it ended very nicely and she just settled down and tracked
very straight.
I didn't think I'd need goggles. I was wrong, I need them unless I sit
right up behind the windscreen.
Thanks all for your help, advice and encouragement through the years. Too
many to name, but I am hugely indebted to you all.
Just a lovely, lovely airplane in all regards...
Keep building gents, IT'S WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: nose fuel tank supports |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
And glean what you may from the photos of the tank and supports on "Scout", here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/fueltank.html
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385533#385533
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Great report Douwe! I can't wait to experience your excitement. Hope mine flies
as nice as yours.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385535#385535
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Congratulations Douwe,
You really need to get some kind of endurance award for that project. I
really hope things go smoothly for you. Now you need to make it to
Brodhead next year.
Dick N.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
| From: | Robert Bush <rbush96589(at)aol.com> |
Congratulations Douwe. Looking forward to seeing you and re piet at Brodhead next
year.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 16, 2012, at 9:35 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote:
> Well after ten years of work and a lifetime of daydreams, I flew "Re-PIET"
> today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Flew from the asphalt runway near my house to a grass paradise an hour away
> where she'll stay until I'm ready for pavement.
>
> The flight could NOT have been better in any possible way. Engine temps
> were good, (C-90 with Cloud Car prop) and she climbed very strongly (66
> degree day with 12 gallons and 160 lb Douwe), about like the 85 horse Cub
> I've been practicing in with two people aboard, but I didn't have a VSI so
> I'm not sure.
>
> GPS said cruise was 75, but there was a bit of a tailwind, so it was
> probably more like 70.
>
> Flew totally hands off, seriously! The almost 1" stab offset is perfect,
> didn't need to touch the rudder to keep her straight and the servo elevator
> trim worked beautifully, just push the switch to get whatever trim you want.
> Was very pleased with that.
>
> Practiced some stalls at about 1,000rpm like landing and almost couldn't get
> her to break, she just mushed along. Power off was straight ahead and
> clean.
>
> Smoke system worked great, though I'll have to add some longer "downtubes"
> off my long exhaust to keep unburnt oil off the tail.
>
> Controls were super light and pleasant in all regards. Much nicer than the
> cub I've been flying.
>
> Landing was a non-event, except that the sun was directly in my eyes as it
> was evening and the refraction through the two plexi windscreens precluded
> ANY forward vis, plus the runway slants east so it was in the dark and I
> could NOT see the runway. Had to go around once, then really had to feel my
> way down, but it ended very nicely and she just settled down and tracked
> very straight.
>
> I didn't think I'd need goggles. I was wrong, I need them unless I sit
> right up behind the windscreen.
>
> Thanks all for your help, advice and encouragement through the years. Too
> many to name, but I am hugely indebted to you all.
>
> Just a lovely, lovely airplane in all regards...
>
> Keep building gents, IT'S WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Douwe
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
| From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
Very nice congratulations and safe flying.
John
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:35 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote:
> Well after ten years of work and a lifetime of daydreams, I flew "Re-PIET"
> today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Flew from the asphalt runway near my house to a grass paradise an hour away
> where she'll stay until I'm ready for pavement.
>
> The flight could NOT have been better in any possible way. Engine temps
> were good, (C-90 with Cloud Car prop) and she climbed very strongly (66
> degree day with 12 gallons and 160 lb Douwe), about like the 85 horse Cub
> I've been practicing in with two people aboard, but I didn't have a VSI so
> I'm not sure.
>
> GPS said cruise was 75, but there was a bit of a tailwind, so it was
> probably more like 70.
>
> Flew totally hands off, seriously! The almost 1" stab offset is perfect,
> didn't need to touch the rudder to keep her straight and the servo elevator
> trim worked beautifully, just push the switch to get whatever trim you want.
> Was very pleased with that.
>
> Practiced some stalls at about 1,000rpm like landing and almost couldn't get
> her to break, she just mushed along. Power off was straight ahead and
> clean.
>
> Smoke system worked great, though I'll have to add some longer "downtubes"
> off my long exhaust to keep unburnt oil off the tail.
>
> Controls were super light and pleasant in all regards. Much nicer than the
> cub I've been flying.
>
> Landing was a non-event, except that the sun was directly in my eyes as it
> was evening and the refraction through the two plexi windscreens precluded
> ANY forward vis, plus the runway slants east so it was in the dark and I
> could NOT see the runway. Had to go around once, then really had to feel my
> way down, but it ended very nicely and she just settled down and tracked
> very straight.
>
> I didn't think I'd need goggles. I was wrong, I need them unless I sit
> right up behind the windscreen.
>
> Thanks all for your help, advice and encouragement through the years. Too
> many to name, but I am hugely indebted to you all.
>
> Just a lovely, lovely airplane in all regards...
>
> Keep building gents, IT'S WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Douwe
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | I flew Re-PIET!!! |
Congratulations, Douwe! And so another of next year's crop of new
Pietenpols for Brodhead is ready (we've got to somehow convince Gary Boothe
to fly his new creation from Cool to Very Cool). Next could be Jeff Bender
or Gene Rambo.
With all the tribulations you went through, I know it was worth it to have
the feeling of making your first flight in an aircraft you created yourself.
There is just no feeling like it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I flew Re-PIET!!!
Well after ten years of work and a lifetime of daydreams, I flew "Re-PIET"
today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Flew from the asphalt runway near my house to a grass paradise an hour away
where she'll stay until I'm ready for pavement.
The flight could NOT have been better in any possible way. Engine temps
were good, (C-90 with Cloud Car prop) and she climbed very strongly (66
degree day with 12 gallons and 160 lb Douwe), about like the 85 horse Cub
I've been practicing in with two people aboard, but I didn't have a VSI so
I'm not sure.
GPS said cruise was 75, but there was a bit of a tailwind, so it was
probably more like 70.
Flew totally hands off, seriously! The almost 1" stab offset is perfect,
didn't need to touch the rudder to keep her straight and the servo elevator
trim worked beautifully, just push the switch to get whatever trim you want.
Was very pleased with that.
Practiced some stalls at about 1,000rpm like landing and almost couldn't get
her to break, she just mushed along. Power off was straight ahead and
clean.
Smoke system worked great, though I'll have to add some longer "downtubes"
off my long exhaust to keep unburnt oil off the tail.
Controls were super light and pleasant in all regards. Much nicer than the
cub I've been flying.
Landing was a non-event, except that the sun was directly in my eyes as it
was evening and the refraction through the two plexi windscreens precluded
ANY forward vis, plus the runway slants east so it was in the dark and I
could NOT see the runway. Had to go around once, then really had to feel my
way down, but it ended very nicely and she just settled down and tracked
very straight.
I didn't think I'd need goggles. I was wrong, I need them unless I sit
right up behind the windscreen.
Thanks all for your help, advice and encouragement through the years. Too
many to name, but I am hugely indebted to you all.
Just a lovely, lovely airplane in all regards...
Keep building gents, IT'S WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Douwe,
Congratulations man!! It's been a long hard road. A truly great example of
perseverance! Beautiful work of art!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
Congradulations!- It is truley a work of art.- If it flies as good as i
t looks you have one heck of a gem there.
-
Shad
--- On Wed, 10/17/12, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I flew Re-PIET!!!
Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2012, 8:03 AM
Douwe,
-
Congratulations man!! It's been a long hard road. A truly great example of
perseverance! Beautiful work of art!!
-
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
Glad to hear it all went well. I hope to report as good flight characteristics
when I get mine flown. It sounds like you have very little, if any, tweaking to
do.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Donald Lane" <dslane(at)embarqmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
Douwe,
Super!
Congratulations.
Don Lane
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Douwe,
What a beautiful flying machine. You have out done us all. Now it is time to
enjoy the wind in your face. Nothing more enjoyable then seeing the sun rise
or set from the seat of your own Piet. What a great reward.
Happy landings,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385552#385552
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Douwe flies Re-Piet for the first time! |
I don't think I've ever read a first flight story that has had such a rich history
of the builder staying with
the program thru thick and thin with such a storybook ending of accomplishing your
goal Douwe. You meet
people at Brodhead who are camped and have photos of their first few wing ribs,
you see them yearly and
they give progress reports. 10 years later you hear a story like yours and it
just is such a cause for celebration
and satisfaction even for everyone--new builders and even people whose 1st flight
was years and years ago.
You did it right Douwe just like Gary Boothe in taking your time, getting it right,
and especially in taking your time
in getting ready by taking a good amount of training in tailwheel airplanes like
the Cub you flew before had
which helped make your 1st flight a non-event...just the way we like to hear about
it. A total standing ovation
from this infidel in Ohio.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
And let me add a resounding DOOOOWEEEEE! to the list of congratulations that have
been recorded. You 'da MAN!, man.
I look at your work of art and then look at my unfinished project just sitting
there looking forlorn and wonder if it will ever know that kind of joy. It takes
moments of inspiration like this to get me kick started sometimes.
Just one question for you though. How did you route the electric wiring from your
RAC trim servo into the fuselage? Did you pass from the elevator into the
horizontal stab through the hinge line and then from the stab down into the fuse?
If so, is there a way to disassemble the elevator from the stab without
having to cut the wires and re-solder later?
Tom Stinemetze
N328Xray (wiring as we speak)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: First Flight in Re-Piet |
| From: | woodflier(at)aol.com |
Douwe, I know the words can't really capture what you were feeling, but I g
ot a pretty good idea. Congratulations on this milestone. I sure hope you e
njoy flying it as much as I have mine, and I can't wait to see Re-Piet at B
rodhead next year. Hope I can get a ride.
Matt Paxton
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
That's awesome Douwe! You deserve to be Re-Excited or Re-Deserving about your first
flight! There's no other feeling like it!
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385563#385563
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar> |
| Subject: | I flew Re-PIET!!! |
Hi Douwe, congratulations! Fantastic airplane!=0ASaludos=0A=0ASantiago
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: nose fuel tank supports |
| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
Oscar,
I have been meaning to ask you about your A 65 motor mount. Are you using it on
the 75(85)
Engine,was it destroyed? Did you make a new mount and did you build the jig for
a new mount?
I have to build a mount for my A-65 for the Skyscout and could use some help.
I used the Piet hardware patterns and think the front of my Skyscout is identicle
to the Piet. So.... I was hoping you might help me a little.
Ray Krause
Ps. Will you be coming up I-5 on the way to Oregon? Need a place to stay, want
a ride in the Waiex?
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 16, 2012, at 8:52 PM, "taildrags" wrote:
>
> And glean what you may from the photos of the tank and supports on "Scout", here:
>
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/fueltank.html
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385533#385533
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
That's awesome !
way to go Douwe....
its really cool how many new piets are coming along
Jeff
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385582#385582
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Ray's A-65 Engine Mount Question |
Ray, forgive me for intruding on your question to Oscar, but I may be able
to share some ideas on building an A-65 engine mount.- Attached are pictu
res of how I made mine.- The aluminum angle represent the fuselage bracke
ts and the round washers on the ends of the threaded rod represent the engi
ne mounting ears on the engine.- Ideally, you lay out the locations for a
ll of these brackets/rods on the wood base and then install them. Since I m
anged to make my wood base too small, I had to bend two of the rods to get
the dimensions correct. Had the wood been the right size, all rods would ha
ve been straight.
-
Anyhoo, if interested feel free to contact me as I have a few more pictures
and all the details to build this jig and do the welding.- This jig make
s it a snap to dial in down and right thrust to just about anything you wis
h prior to welding.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ray's A-65 Engine Mount Question |
Nice fit up Michael. What's your secret?=0A=0ARyan Michals=0A=0A___________
_____________________=0A From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>=0AT
o: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:57 P
M=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Ray's A-65 Engine Mount Question=0A =0A=0ARay,
forgive me for intruding on your question to Oscar, but I may be able to s
hare some ideas on building an A-65 engine mount.- Attached are pictures
of how I made mine.- The aluminum angle represent the fuselage brackets a
nd the round washers on the ends of the threaded rod represent the engine m
ounting ears on the engine.- Ideally, you lay out the locations for all o
f these brackets/rods on the wood base and then install them. Since I mange
d to make my wood base too small, I had to bend two of the rods to get the
dimensions correct. Had the wood been the right size, all rods would have b
een straight.=0A-=0AAnyhoo, if interested feel free to contact me as I ha
ve a few more pictures and all the details to build this jig and do the wel
ding.- This jig makes it a snap to dial in down and right thrust to just
about anything you wish prior to welding. =0A=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol H
INT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Congrats Douwe!!! Way to persevere. Re-Piet is amazing. I'm really
looking forward to seeing her at Brodhead.
Blue skies!
Greg Bacon
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> Well after ten years of work and a lifetime of daydreams, I flew "Re-PIET"
> today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Flew from the asphalt runway near my house to a grass paradise an hour away
> where she'll stay until I'm ready for pavement.
>
> The flight could NOT have been better in any possible way. Engine temps
> were good, (C-90 with Cloud Car prop) and she climbed very strongly (66
> degree day with 12 gallons and 160 lb Douwe), about like the 85 horse Cub
> I've been practicing in with two people aboard, but I didn't have a VSI so
> I'm not sure.
>
> GPS said cruise was 75, but there was a bit of a tailwind, so it was
> probably more like 70.
>
> Flew totally hands off, seriously! The almost 1" stab offset is perfect,
> didn't need to touch the rudder to keep her straight and the servo elevator
> trim worked beautifully, just push the switch to get whatever trim you
> want.
> Was very pleased with that.
>
> Practiced some stalls at about 1,000rpm like landing and almost couldn't
> get
> her to break, she just mushed along. Power off was straight ahead and
> clean.
>
> Smoke system worked great, though I'll have to add some longer "downtubes"
> off my long exhaust to keep unburnt oil off the tail.
>
> Controls were super light and pleasant in all regards. Much nicer than the
> cub I've been flying.
>
> Landing was a non-event, except that the sun was directly in my eyes as it
> was evening and the refraction through the two plexi windscreens precluded
> ANY forward vis, plus the runway slants east so it was in the dark and I
> could NOT see the runway. Had to go around once, then really had to feel
> my
> way down, but it ended very nicely and she just settled down and tracked
> very straight.
>
> I didn't think I'd need goggles. I was wrong, I need them unless I sit
> right up behind the windscreen.
>
> Thanks all for your help, advice and encouragement through the years. Too
> many to name, but I am hugely indebted to you all.
>
> Just a lovely, lovely airplane in all regards...
>
> Keep building gents, IT'S WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Douwe
>
--
Greg Bacon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Thank you guys!! |
Thank you all for your kind words, they are much valued and appreciated!!
Thank you all who let me "pick your brains" through the years, over and over
and over. and over and never got irritated but just kept helping.
Thank you to all of you who helped in any way, big or small to get her
rebuilt.
Thank you all for the rides and encouragement through the years.
It is truly a great feeling, but it was a bit surreal, like it just kind of
happened and before I knew it I was landing. Yesterday morning's flights
were almost more real and relaxing as I was over the airfield and not
ferrying her over unknown territory.
Regarding the trim.. The servo is in the left elevator, inboard. There is
a inspection cover so I can get to it. I purchased a short length of
robotic wire designed for movement (talcum powder inside between the wires).
The wire comes out of the moveable surface right at the inner corner and
then drops down under and goes into a small hole in the ply on the side of
the tailpost in the fuse. There are inspection holes on the fuse back there
for access to tailwheel bolts, elevator bolts etc and inside there are two
quick connects to the permanently mounted wire that runs forward to the
switch so I can just reach in there and "unplug" the servo if I need to
remove the elevator.
Will keep reporting as I gradually acquire accurate flight info, and sending
pics!
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ray's A-65 Engine Mount Question |
The idea is not my own, per say. I got it from the EAA website, in their home builder
video section. There was a great engine mount video there and I just tweaked
it to be used on our Pietenpols.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: reducing the wingspan |
You can ban me as well, (if not already...) because being a 612 builder myself,
I agree with Paul!
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Thank you guys!! |
Thanks Douwe, that makes sense. Can you share where you go to buy
"robotic wire?" Somehow that does not sound like something ACE Hardware
- or even Aircraft Spruce - would carry.
Tom Stinemetze
N328Xray
Regarding the trim.. The servo is in the left elevator, inboard.
There is a inspection cover so I can get to it. I purchased a short
length of robotic wire designed for movement (talcum powder inside
between the wires). The wire comes out of the moveable surface right at
the inner corner and then drops down under and goes into a small hole in
the ply on the side of the tailpost in the fuse. There are inspection
holes on the fuse back there for access to tailwheel bolts, elevator
bolts etc and inside there are two quick connects to the permanently
mounted wire that runs forward to the switch so I can just reach in
there and unplug the servo if I need to remove the elevator.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Congratulations, Douwe! We're delighted for you.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Douwe's 1st flight |
| From: | Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com> |
Congratulations. Great job. Inspiring. All the posted accolades are
on the mark.
Tim in central TX
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
=C2-Well after ten years of work and a lifetime of daydreams, I flew "Re-
PIET"
today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congratulations Douwe! You have a beautiful Re-Piet and glad you are now en
joying flying it. Can't wait to see it at Brodhead.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Ray's A-65 Engine Mount Question |
| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
Mike,
Thanks for the information on the A-65 mount. I will use your photos and th
e video to figure it out. I have a great friend who will do the TIG welding
. I have the engine case free of all other parts so it will be easy to get t
he mounting holes correct!
Thanks again,
Ray
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 17, 2012, at 4:57 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
>
> Ray, forgive me for intruding on your question to Oscar, but I may be able
to share some ideas on building an A-65 engine mount. Attached are picture
s of how I made mine. The aluminum angle represent the fuselage brackets an
d the round washers on the ends of the threaded rod represent the engine mou
nting ears on the engine. Ideally, you lay out the locations for all of the
se brackets/rods on the wood base and then install them. Since I manged to m
ake my wood base too small, I had to bend two of the rods to get the dimensi
ons correct. Had the wood been the right size, all rods would have been stra
ight.
>
> Anyhoo, if interested feel free to contact me as I have a few more picture
s and all the details to build this jig and do the welding. This jig makes i
t a snap to dial in down and right thrust to just about anything you wish pr
ior to welding.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | reducing the wingspan |
Those of you who receive the BPA Newsletter will notice my little commentary on
the Piet design in the current issue. I take no credit for the engineering or
math... all I did was compare my Air Camper's dimensions and proportions to
the "rule of thumb" formulae to see how it shapes up. The indications are that
per the rules of thumb, the stock Air Camper can use a bit more wingspan.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au |
| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
Congratulations Douwe!
Your smile certainly shows you are one proud owner of one of the finest examples
of this classic flying machine.
Best regards,
John Woods
Perth W Aust
----- "Jim Boyer" wrote:
>
>
Well after ten years of work and a lifetime of daydreams, I flew "Re-PIET"
> today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congratulations Douwe! You have a beautiful Re-Piet and glad you are now enjoying
flying it. Can't wait to see it at Brodhead.
Jim B.
>
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | nose fuel tank supports |
Ray asks-
>I have been meaning to ask you about your A 65 motor mount.
>Are you using it on the 75(85) Engine,was it destroyed?
I am using the same mount, since the mounts for the A65 and A75 are exactly the
same. The mount was not damaged in the nose-over.
>Did you make a new mount and did you build the jig for a new mount?
Nope... no new mount, no jigs. All I've done since mounting the A75 is changed
the shimming to add downthrust and right offset, and it's made a very positive
difference in cruise trim. Mike Perez is on the right track there.
>Will you be coming up I-5 on the way to Oregon? Need a place to stay, wanta ride
in the Waiex?
No, not coming up I-5 till I get to Mount Shasta. I'll need places to stay, but
I've got the numbers (Super 8 and Motel 6). I'd love a ride in the Waiex!
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: reducing the wingspan |
..and more vertical stab., less horizontal...if I read it right.- Had I k
nown this, I would have tried a shorter horiz. stab.
Good write up Oscar, thanks.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: nose fuel tank supports |
| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
Thanks, Oscar.
I always beat Motel 6 and Super 8 on both price and hospitality! If you come via
I-80 I'm just off the route on Hiway 20. If you change your mind, let me know.
Free food, free lodging and free flights... What else is there in life?
Ray
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 18, 2012, at 8:18 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
>
> Ray asks-
>> I have been meaning to ask you about your A 65 motor mount.
>> Are you using it on the 75(85) Engine,was it destroyed?
> I am using the same mount, since the mounts for the A65 and A75 are exactly the
same. The mount was not damaged in the nose-over.
>> Did you make a new mount and did you build the jig for a new mount?
> Nope... no new mount, no jigs. All I've done since mounting the A75 is changed
the shimming to add downthrust and right offset, and it's made a very positive
difference in cruise trim. Mike Perez is on the right track there.
>> Will you be coming up I-5 on the way to Oregon? Need a place to stay, wanta
ride in the Waiex?
> No, not coming up I-5 till I get to Mount Shasta. I'll need places to stay,
but I've got the numbers (Super 8 and Motel 6). I'd love a ride in the Waiex!
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ray's A-65 Engine Mount Question |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Mike:
It was suggested to me that the lower engine mount clusters be gusseted as well as the top ones, so when I made repairs to the airplane I had those gussets added to the mount. You can see them in several pictures here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75.html, but probably the last two pics on that page show them the closest-up. I suppose they do add some torsional rigidity to the setup and don't add appreciable weight.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
That's Awsome! ... the photo shows the vertical stab offset. I tried to type in
re-piet on youtube just incase you had a vid there, but this is all I come up
with. Not sure if it's related...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaM6VnjiUzo&feature=plcp
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| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Love the video. Although the fabric looks a little loose.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: reducing the wingspan - Big Piet update |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Great to hear the updates. Way to go guys. I too have a piper wing. Mine is
a wood spar clipped cub wing. Built to the Reed Clipped wing drawings with squared
off tips. 27 feet in all. I wish it had two more feet of wing span. It
would help a lot in high density alt situations and carrying two people. It
too is a little faster than the stock Piets. WOT at sea level shows 100 MPH and
WOT at 5000 it will indicate 93 MPH. Way to fast and not comfortable. I like
flying it at about 70 or 75 MPH. More enjoyable that way.
Keep up the good work.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ray's A-65 Engine Mount Question |
Thanks for the note Oscar. With the lower engine members welded in an "X" pattern,
I am not sure what adding these lower gussets achieve. Perhaps they do, but
I just don't see it.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | A Corvair Question for Corvair drivers |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I know that this post is not really specific to Pietenpol, but I thought that this
was a good place to ask for help. So all of you A-65 pilots, Rotec pilots,
)-200 pilots, etc. just roll on by as this will probably not interest you-
I am going to a junkyard tomorrow that says they have 8 or 10 corvairs "off in
the weeds". I have William Wynne's Manual as well as his disassembly dvd, but
they do not really address the how to of pulling an engine from a corvair. I wrote
William Wynne and he suggested that I have someone fax or email me a copy
of the 2 pages from Finch's book, the 2 pages that deal with dropping the engine
from a car. Can anyone help?
Terry
jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com
P.S. Thanks for any help in advance. If it is easier to fax, contact me off-line
and I will get my fax number to you.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: A Corvair Question for Corvair drivers |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I got the information, so thanks to all who looked at the post.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A Corvair Question for Corvair drivers |
Hey. I'm not about to copy any of Finch's book without his permission. But
the book does have some info on removing the engine from a car. I would
suggest you buy Finch's "how to keep your Corvair alive" -- there is other
information in it that you will need. C
----- Original Message -----
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 9:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Corvair Question for Corvair drivers
>
>
> I know that this post is not really specific to Pietenpol, but I thought
> that this was a good place to ask for help. So all of you A-65 pilots,
> Rotec pilots, )-200 pilots, etc. just roll on by as this will probably
> not interest you-
>
> I am going to a junkyard tomorrow that says they have 8 or 10 corvairs
> "off in the weeds". I have William Wynne's Manual as well as his
> disassembly dvd, but they do not really address the how to of pulling an
> engine from a corvair. I wrote William Wynne and he suggested that I have
> someone fax or email me a copy of the 2 pages from Finch's book, the 2
> pages that deal with dropping the engine from a car. Can anyone help?
>
> Terry
>
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com
>
> P.S. Thanks for any help in advance. If it is easier to fax, contact me
> off-line and I will get my fax number to you.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385678#385678
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A Corvair Question for Corvair drivers |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I have the book on order and it has not arrived. Seeing 2 pages before I go look
at the engine I thought would be a help.
I have also ordered the junkyard primer, I think it is called. I already have the
green shop manual.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A Corvair Question for Corvair drivers |
JUST START UNSCREWING ALL THE NUTS AND BOLTS YOU SEE AND SAVE THEM BUT YOU WILL
PROBABLY DISCARD THEM ANYWAY. ALL THE IMPORTANT STUFF YOU WILL BE GETTING FROM
WILLIAM. JUST MY 2cents worth. Gardiner. GO TO THE COLLEGE 24 to answer all
your questions
----- Original Message ----
From: C N Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Sent: Sat, October 20, 2012 9:51:48 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A Corvair Question for Corvair drivers
Hey. I'm not about to copy any of Finch's book without his permission. But the
book does have some info on removing the engine from a car. I would suggest you
buy Finch's "how to keep your Corvair alive" -- there is other information in
it that you will need. C
----- Original Message ----- From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 9:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Corvair Question for Corvair drivers
>
>
> I know that this post is not really specific to Pietenpol, but I thought that
>this was a good place to ask for help. So all of you A-65 pilots, Rotec pilots,
>)-200 pilots, etc. just roll on by as this will probably not interest you-
>
> I am going to a junkyard tomorrow that says they have 8 or 10 corvairs "off in
>the weeds". I have William Wynne's Manual as well as his disassembly dvd, but
>they do not really address the how to of pulling an engine from a corvair. I
>wrote William Wynne and he suggested that I have someone fax or email me a copy
>of the 2 pages from Finch's book, the 2 pages that deal with dropping the engine
>from a car. Can anyone help?
>
> Terry
>
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com
>
> P.S. Thanks for any help in advance. If it is easier to fax, contact me
>off-line and I will get my fax number to you.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385678#385678
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A Corvair Question for Corvair drivers |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Gardiner,
I am planning on being at CC#24. I hope to take one of these engines with me.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A Corvair Question for Corvair drivers |
Terry, I am ready to start up an do some taxi test. That will be next week an if
everything goes well I will fly it to CC24. Cheers, Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sat, October 20, 2012 2:49:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Corvair Question for Corvair drivers
Gardiner,
I am planning on being at CC#24. I hope to take one of these engines with me.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: reducing the wingspan - Big Piet update |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for all these posts.... I plan to make my center section wider so I can
carry more fuel in a enter-section tank, but it sounds like the slightly longer
wingspan would not hurt either. (I had considered trimming a bay from each wing
to keep the wingspan more stock.....?!?!). Working on the walking beam in
the shop today after I drive the "first teacher in space" to an event at the Museum
of Flight.... tough duty...
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Went flying today... |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
A friend of mine has the dealership rights to California for the Sport Cruiser
LSA and asked me to help him sell some. I am in the midst of the 4th lay off in
7 years, so I figured what the heck?!
We went flying today so I could experience the plane, and after not being behind
the controls for 4 years, it sure felt great. I wish I was further along on
my Piet, as it is hard to be stressed and worried at 4500 feet looking down on
God's green earth!
So glad to hear Douwe is back in the air with his beautiful airplane! The Sport
Cruiser is one very nice plane, and I hope to get more time in one as time goes
on.
But you can't get bugs in your teeth with that big canopy! Need some fresh air
for that... :) Not a substitute for an open cockpit!
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| Subject: | Re: Went flying today... |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Way to go, Mark!!
------Original Message------
From: Mark Roberts
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Went flying today...
Sent: Oct 20, 2012 7:19 PM
A friend of mine has the dealership rights to California for the Sport Cruiser
LSA and asked me to help him sell some. I am in the midst of the 4th lay off in
7 years, so I figured what the heck?!
We went flying today so I could experience the plane, and after not being behind
the controls for 4 years, it sure felt great. I wish I was further along on
my Piet, as it is hard to be stressed and worried at 4500 feet looking down on
God's green earth!
So glad to hear Douwe is back in the air with his beautiful airplane! The Sport
Cruiser is one very nice plane, and I hope to get more time in one as time goes
on.
But you can't get bugs in your teeth with that big canopy! Need some fresh air
for that... :) Not a substitute for an open cockpit!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385709#385709
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Re: Went flying today... |
| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
That's awesome mark. !!! It's a good day when you get to go flying.
Gary, did you fly that new prop today?
Mike Groah
13 flight hours on my Piet so far
On Oct 20, 2012, at 7:55 PM, gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
>
> Way to go, Mark!!
> ------Original Message------
> From: Mark Roberts
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Went flying today...
> Sent: Oct 20, 2012 7:19 PM
>
>
> A friend of mine has the dealership rights to California for the Sport Cruiser
LSA and asked me to help him sell some. I am in the midst of the 4th lay off
in 7 years, so I figured what the heck?!
>
> We went flying today so I could experience the plane, and after not being behind
the controls for 4 years, it sure felt great. I wish I was further along on
my Piet, as it is hard to be stressed and worried at 4500 feet looking down
on God's green earth!
>
> So glad to hear Douwe is back in the air with his beautiful airplane! The Sport
Cruiser is one very nice plane, and I hope to get more time in one as time
goes on.
>
> But you can't get bugs in your teeth with that big canopy! Need some fresh air
for that... :) Not a substitute for an open cockpit!
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385709#385709
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Went flying today... |
| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
You have a new prop already?
Did you carve it? You are a fast guy.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 20, 2012, at 8:33 PM, Michael Groah wrote:
>
> That's awesome mark. !!! It's a good day when you get to go flying.
>
> Gary, did you fly that new prop today?
>
> Mike Groah
> 13 flight hours on my Piet so far
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2012, at 7:55 PM, gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
>
>>
>> Way to go, Mark!!
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Mark Roberts
>> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Went flying today...
>> Sent: Oct 20, 2012 7:19 PM
>>
>>
>> A friend of mine has the dealership rights to California for the Sport Cruiser
LSA and asked me to help him sell some. I am in the midst of the 4th lay off
in 7 years, so I figured what the heck?!
>>
>> We went flying today so I could experience the plane, and after not being behind
the controls for 4 years, it sure felt great. I wish I was further along
on my Piet, as it is hard to be stressed and worried at 4500 feet looking down
on God's green earth!
>>
>> So glad to hear Douwe is back in the air with his beautiful airplane! The Sport
Cruiser is one very nice plane, and I hope to get more time in one as time
goes on.
>>
>> But you can't get bugs in your teeth with that big canopy! Need some fresh air
for that... :) Not a substitute for an open cockpit!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385709#385709
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Went flying today... |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Mike! We chatted about your plane today at the Airport. I told my friend I
might be able to talk you into flying it up to Chandler one day after your allowed
out of your "air cage" of distance from Porterville :D
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| Subject: | Re: Went flying today... |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
I did! Short flight...if the wind stays down, I'll fly again on Sunday.
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 20:33:06
today...
That's awesome mark. !!! It's a good day when you get to go flying.
Gary, did you fly that new prop today?
Mike Groah
13 flight hours on my Piet so far
On Oct 20, 2012, at 7:55 PM, gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
>
> Way to go, Mark!!
> ------Original Message------
> From: Mark Roberts
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Went flying today...
> Sent: Oct 20, 2012 7:19 PM
>
>
> A friend of mine has the dealership rights to California for the Sport Cruiser
LSA and asked me to help him sell some. I am in the midst of the 4th lay off
in 7 years, so I figured what the heck?!
>
> We went flying today so I could experience the plane, and after not being behind
the controls for 4 years, it sure felt great. I wish I was further along on
my Piet, as it is hard to be stressed and worried at 4500 feet looking down
on God's green earth!
>
> So glad to hear Douwe is back in the air with his beautiful airplane! The Sport
Cruiser is one very nice plane, and I hope to get more time in one as time
goes on.
>
> But you can't get bugs in your teeth with that big canopy! Need some fresh air
for that... :) Not a substitute for an open cockpit!
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385709#385709
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Went flying today... |
| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
Awesome Gary. I hope you get to go up again tomorrow. If the weather is good
and this cold I have will let up I'll fly tomorrow too.
Mike Groah
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 20, 2012, at 9:47 PM, gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
>
> I did! Short flight...if the wind stays down, I'll fly again on Sunday.
> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 20:33:06
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Went flying
today...
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>
> That's awesome mark. !!! It's a good day when you get to go flying.
>
> Gary, did you fly that new prop today?
>
> Mike Groah
> 13 flight hours on my Piet so far
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> On Oct 20, 2012, at 7:55 PM, gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
>
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>> Way to go, Mark!!
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Mark Roberts
>> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Went flying today...
>> Sent: Oct 20, 2012 7:19 PM
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>>
>> A friend of mine has the dealership rights to California for the Sport Cruiser
LSA and asked me to help him sell some. I am in the midst of the 4th lay off
in 7 years, so I figured what the heck?!
>>
>> We went flying today so I could experience the plane, and after not being behind
the controls for 4 years, it sure felt great. I wish I was further along
on my Piet, as it is hard to be stressed and worried at 4500 feet looking down
on God's green earth!
>>
>> So glad to hear Douwe is back in the air with his beautiful airplane! The Sport
Cruiser is one very nice plane, and I hope to get more time in one as time
goes on.
>>
>> But you can't get bugs in your teeth with that big canopy! Need some fresh air
for that... :) Not a substitute for an open cockpit!
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385709#385709
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| From: | Jane and Fred <tbyh(at)aol.com> |
I hate when guys say they're going flying, then they go flying and then the
y don't post any pictures! ; )
Just kidding...kind of...
Best regards,
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Going Flying |
Here you go, Fred...
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Jane and Fred
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
I hate when guys say they're going flying, then they go flying and
then they don't post any pictures! ; )
Just kidding...kind of...
Best regards,
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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| Subject: | Re: Going Flying |
| From: | "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net> |
About to go flying.....does that count???
--------
Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| From: | Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Going Flying |
Nice!! Where was that Greg?=0A=0ARyan M=0A=0A=0A___________________________
_____=0A From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@m
atronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 9:00 AM=0ASubject: Re: Piete
npol-List: Going Flying=0A =0A=0A =0AHere you go, Fred...=0A-=0AGreg Card
inal=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: Jane and Fred =0A>To: pietenp
ol-list(at)matronics.com =0A>Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:43 AM=0A>Subjec
t: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying=0A>=0A>I hate when guys say they're going
flying, then they go flying and then they don't post any pictures!- ; )
=0A>-=0A>Just kidding...kind of...=0A>-=0A>Best regards,=0A>Fred B.=0A>
La Crosse, WI=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahref="http://forums.
matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.c
om/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| Subject: | Re: Going Flying |
| From: | darmahboy(at)aol.com |
Hey Greg, You on Line, What's the plan for today?
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sun, Oct 21, 2012 8:00 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
Here you go, Fred...
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Jane and Fred
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
I hate when guys say they're going flying, then they go flying and then t
hey don't post any pictures! ; )
Just kidding...kind of...
Best regards,
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Sorry, Fred. My bad, of course. In my defense, my new prop had me a bit
puzzled, and I really only had time for one pass around the pattern. Camera
was sitting right there beside me. As a consolation, I offer this pic, taken
today, but too breezy to fly.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jane and
Fred
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
I hate when guys say they're going flying, then they go flying and then they
don't post any pictures! ; )
Just kidding...kind of...
Best regards,
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Going Flying |
Somewhere between Brodhead and LaCrosse, WI.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan M
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
Nice!! Where was that Greg?
Ryan M
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From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
Here you go, Fred...
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Jane and Fred
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
I hate when guys say they're going flying, then they go flying and
then they don't post any pictures! ; )
Just kidding...kind of...
Best regards,
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Going Flying |
Correction, it is the Lake Zumbro power dam north of Rochester, MN.
(Thank you Bob Poore)
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Cardinal
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
Somewhere between Brodhead and LaCrosse, WI.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan M
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
Nice!! Where was that Greg?
Ryan M
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From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
Here you go, Fred...
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Jane and Fred
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
I hate when guys say they're going flying, then they go flying and
then they don't post any pictures! ; )
Just kidding...kind of...
Best regards,
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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| Subject: | Re: Going Flying |
| From: | "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com> |
I agree with Fred I love to see the pictures you guys post. It makes for good inspiration
and a lot of times it answers questions us builders have too. Thanks,
Mike Smith.[/b]
--------
Building steel fuselage aircamper.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385768#385768
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | can a piet legally tow gliders |
Greg: some people install tow hooks on their airplanes to hold it in place
while hand-propping the airplane solo. However=2C I believe Mountain Piet
had a regular starter on the Subaru=2C so the hold-down would not have been
needed and it must have been intended for towing. With the turbo Soob=2C
it probably had enough power.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: can a piet legally tow gliders |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Yes, Oscar, Mtn Piet has a starter. I'll get in touch with John. He may
be able to shed some light on the towing regs issue.
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
> Greg: some people install tow hooks on their airplanes to hold it in place
> while hand-propping the airplane solo. However, I believe Mountain Piet
> had a regular starter on the Subaru, so the hold-down would not have been
> needed and it must have been intended for towing. With the turbo Soob, it
> probably had enough power.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Greg Bacon
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Going Flying |
Ok.. well the storm that kept Gary on the ground yesterday hadn't reached s
outh to me yet so I got to go up for a couple of flights.=C2- My morning
flight was a little bumpy as things were starting to warm up ( I could see
dust devils forming in the fields surrounding me), but my evening flight wa
s smooth as could be. It was just beautiful and I didn't want to come back
down but the sun was setting so I didn't' have much of a choice.=C2- I ma
de a respectable wheel landing, put the plane away and was able to log 1.9
hours for the day.=C2- I'm now up to 14.3 hours of flying in the plane.
=C2- =0AThe attached photos were taken on my morning flight ( I didn't' n
eed the jacket on the evening flight).=C2- Nothing special with the photo
s, just a couple quick shots, like Gary I was more focused on flying the pl
ane than taking good pictures.=C2- =0A=0A=0AMike Groah=0ATulare CA=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comca
st.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, October 21, 201
2 11:34 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying=0A =0A=0ASorry, Fred
. My bad, of course. In my defense, my new prop had me a bit puzzled, and I
really only had time for one pass around the pattern. Camera was sitting r
ight there beside me. As a consolation, I offer this pic, taken today, but
too breezy to fly=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0AGary Boothe=0ANX308MB=0A=C2
-=0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpo
l-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jane and Fred=0ASent: Sunday, Oct
ober 21, 2012 5:44 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Pietenp
ol-List: Going Flying=0A=C2-=0AI hate when guys say they're going flying,
then they go flying and then they don't post any pictures!=C2- ; )=0A=C2
-=0AJust kidding...kind of...=0A=C2-=0ABest regards,=0AFred B.=0ALa Cro
sse, WI=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Li
st=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Mtn Piet update Oct 2012 |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Greg: there is one thing that I have found and that is, whether you build one from
scratch or just make some minor mods or repairs, the feeling when you hop
in and get it in the air again is the same. You'll see ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385805#385805
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| Subject: | Deanie Montgomery |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Time marches on. Some of you may recall that I have had a fellow named Deanie
Montgomery overhaul several Stromberg carbs for me. Reading the list of names
in "Gone West" in the most recent issue of Sport Aviation, I saw Deanie's name
there and just like that, he's gone. Last time I spoke with him on the phone
(I don't think he ever had email) he mentioned that he was starting work on
an Air Camper and a Corvair for it.
Here's an obit from the Corsicana, Texas "Daily Sun":
http://corsicanadailysun.com/obituaries/x1395116878/Deanie-Montgomery . If anybody is near Corsicana and knows if Deanie had actually started a Piet project, maybe you can post an update here.
Enjoy what you're doing while you still can. I can't wait to get Scout back home
(just about 4 weeks till that happens). This Thanksgiving will include giving
thanks for my wonderful wood and fabric Scout.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385809#385809
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | there's trouble in paradise |
Won't miss this guy. He cut and sliced up the veteran staff and cut some
great people from EAA's HQ.
[cid:image001.jpg@01CDB074.095FA350]HIGHTOWER OUT AT EAA<http://www.avweb.c
om/avwebflash/news/RodHightower_ExperimentalAircraftAssociation_EAAPresiden
t_SteppingDown_207552-1.html>
In a surprise announcement Monday, EAA president and CEO Rod Hightower anno
unced he was stepping down effectively immediately. The decision came follo
wing a board of directors meeting in which former Cessna CEP Jack Pelton wa
s elected chairman of EAA's board.
EAA spokesman Dick Knapinski said Pelton has not been named the president o
r the CEO but he will handle the transition from Hightower. Pelton will mee
t with staff Tuesday.
Hightower said he was stepping down to spend more time with his family, and
he plans to move back to St. Louis. Hightower was hired in July of 2012 to
replace former EAA president Tom Poberezny.
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| Subject: | Re: there's trouble in paradise |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Agreed. I hope his replacement brings back a commitment to builders.
One tangible piece of evidence would be bringing back the EAA SportAir
Workshops. I attended the electrical systems and avionics class early in
October in Broomfield, CO. There were only two more sets of workshops
scheduled after that one: in Riverside, CA, and in Oshkosh. None were
planned after those.
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] wrote:
> Won=92t miss this guy. He cut and sliced up the veteran staff and cut
> some great people from EAA=92s HQ. ****
>
> * *
>
> **[image: Description: http://www.avweb.com/newspics/hightower.jpg]***HIG
HTOWER
> OUT AT EAA<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/RodHightower_Experimental
AircraftAssociation_EAAPresident_SteppingDown_207552-1.html>
> *****
>
> In a surprise announcement Monday, EAA president and CEO Rod Hightower
> announced he was stepping down effectively immediately. The decision came
> following a board of directors meeting in which former Cessna CEP Jack
> Pelton was elected chairman of EAA's board.****
>
> EAA spokesman Dick Knapinski said Pelton has not been named the president
> or the CEO but he will handle the transition from Hightower. Pelton will
> meet with staff Tuesday.****
>
> Hightower said he was stepping down to spend more time with his family,
> and he plans to move back to St. Louis. Hightower was hired in July of 20
12
> to replace former EAA president Tom Poberezny.****
>
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Going Flying |
Hi Mike,
Keep on building those hours so you can get it to Frazier Lake next June. Imagine
it is getting cool in the Piet now; especially now that the rains are here.
You look good in that flying helmet.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | there's trouble in paradise |
Ding Dong.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: there's trouble in paradise
Won't miss this guy. He cut and sliced up the veteran staff and cut some
great people from EAA's HQ.
Description: http://www.avweb.com/newspics/hightower.jpg
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/RodHightower_ExperimentalAircraftAssoc
iation_EAAPresident_SteppingDown_207552-1.html> HIGHTOWER OUT AT EAA
In a surprise announcement Monday, EAA president and CEO Rod Hightower
announced he was stepping down effectively immediately. The decision came
following a board of directors meeting in which former Cessna CEP Jack
Pelton was elected chairman of EAA's board.
EAA spokesman Dick Knapinski said Pelton has not been named the president or
the CEO but he will handle the transition from Hightower. Pelton will meet
with staff Tuesday.
Hightower said he was stepping down to spend more time with his family, and
he plans to move back to St. Louis. Hightower was hired in July of 2012 to
replace former EAA president Tom Poberezny.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: there's trouble in paradise |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Wow that was quick!! Did anybody think this original decision through? Scar
y. Who's running that place?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC]
Sent: Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:41 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: there's trouble in paradise
Won=99t miss this guy. He cut and sliced up the veteran staff and
cut some great people from EAA=99s HQ.
HIGHTOWER OUT AT EAA
In a surprise announcement Monday, EAA president and CEO Rod Hightower anno
unced he was stepping down effectively immediately. The decision came follo
wing a board of directors meeting in which former Cessna CEP Jack Pelton wa
s elected chairman of EAA's board.
EAA spokesman Dick Knapinski said Pelton has not been named the president o
r the CEO but he will handle the transition from Hightower. Pelton will mee
t with staff Tuesday.
Hightower said he was stepping down to spend more time with his family, and
he plans to move back to St. Louis. Hightower was hired in July of 2012 to
replace former EAA president Tom Poberezny.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: there's trouble in paradise |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Those SportAir workshops were GREAT! I myself attended two of them. Can't i
magine why he wanted to eliminate them.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:57 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: there's trouble in paradise
Agreed. I hope his replacement brings back a commitment to builders. One
tangible piece of evidence would be bringing back the EAA SportAir Workshop
s. I attended the electrical systems and avionics class early in October i
n Broomfield, CO. There were only two more sets of workshops scheduled aft
er that one: in Riverside, CA, and in Oshkosh. None were planned after tho
se.
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partner
s, LLC] wrote:
Won=99t miss this guy. He cut and sliced up the veteran staff and
cut some great people from EAA=99s HQ.
HIGHTOWER OUT AT EAA
In a surprise announcement Monday, EAA president and CEO Rod Hightower anno
unced he was stepping down effectively immediately. The decision came follo
wing a board of directors meeting in which former Cessna CEP Jack Pelton wa
s elected chairman of EAA's board.
EAA spokesman Dick Knapinski said Pelton has not been named the president o
r the CEO but he will handle the transition from Hightower. Pelton will mee
t with staff Tuesday.
Hightower said he was stepping down to spend more time with his family, and
he plans to move back to St. Louis. Hightower was hired in July of 2012 to
replace former EAA president Tom Poberezny.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: there's trouble in paradise |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
They weren't selling enough Ford's or Deere's at them, of course....
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 5:39 PM, wrote:
> Those SportAir workshops were GREAT! I myself attended two of them. Can't
> imagine why he wanted to eliminate them.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:57 pm
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: there's trouble in paradise
>
> Agreed. I hope his replacement brings back a commitment to builders.
> One tangible piece of evidence would be bringing back the EAA SportAir
> Workshops. I attended the electrical systems and avionics class early in
> October in Broomfield, CO. There were only two more sets of workshops
> scheduled after that one: in Riverside, CA, and in Oshkosh. None were
> planned after those.
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
> Partners, LLC] wrote:
>
>> Won=92t miss this guy. He cut and sliced up the veteran staff and cu
t
>> some great people from EAA=92s HQ. ****
>> * *
>> **[image: Description: http://www.avweb.com/newspics/hightower.jpg]***HI
GHTOWER
>> OUT AT EAA<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/RodHightower_Experimenta
lAircraftAssociation_EAAPresident_SteppingDown_207552-1.html>
>> *****
>> In a surprise announcement Monday, EAA president and CEO Rod Hightower
>> announced he was stepping down effectively immediately. The decision cam
e
>> following a board of directors meeting in which former Cessna CEP Jack
>> Pelton was elected chairman of EAA's board.****
>> EAA spokesman Dick Knapinski said Pelton has not been named the presiden
t
>> or the CEO but he will handle the transition from Hightower. Pelton will
>> meet with staff Tuesday.****
>> Hightower said he was stepping down to spend more time with his family,
>> and he plans to move back to St. Louis. Hightower was hired in July of 2
012
>> to replace former EAA president Tom Poberezny.****
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Deanie Montgomery |
| From: | "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com> |
One thing I have found in home built airplanes is you meet some of the best people.
I have found that people will step up and share information with no thought
of self profit and proud to help any way they can.[/b]
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Building steel fuselage aircamper.
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| Subject: | Re: Hightower's "Resignation" |
| From: | woodflier(at)aol.com |
Mike, I couldn't agree with you more. If you read between the lines, it loo
ks like the board wanted him out. When I had my incident at OSH this year,
I had terrific help from a lot of EAA volunteers, and most of them were not
Hightower fans, by a long shot. Ask around about the $30,000 golf cart he
demanded. I've always camped in North 40 with a bunch of people, and we all
fly in together so that we can camp together. This year, it almost looked
like the marching orders were to intentionally not park groups together. Th
ere were a lot of upset folks, not just in our group.
I also hope they bring back the Sportair workshops. I attended several and
they were great.
Good riddance!
Matt Paxton
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| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Dispute the cold gray day- had a great
visit with Mr. Cuy over the weekend
First time I've seen the plane in person
It really is a beautiful job!
Thanks again Mike for taking the time
And all the info
Earl
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: Towing Gliders |
| From: | woodflier(at)aol.com |
Paul, this may have already been covered, but I would think that if glider
towing is including in the Operating Limitations, you could legally do it.
You may not be able to do it for hire, though. I'm a glider pilot and a tow
pilot for our glider club. If the ultralight glider can be towed at speeds
of 55-60 mph, a Piet with a 75 or 85 hp engine might be a good towplane. I
would hesitate to tow with my 65 hp. Piet unless I was operating out of a
long strip with no obstructions. You need good climb performance in a towpl
ane, so more power would be a good thing since that's about all that added
power does for a Piet, increase the climb rate. I'd also want the release l
ever on the towplane end to be easily accessible. If it was on the floor, w
here many towplanes have them, it would be a struggle to reach it quickly.
I'd want a knob on the panel or just below it, very much like the red knob
in the center of the panel in the sailplane I fly. If you're going to do a
lot of towing, make sure your cooling is a good as you can make it. If you'
re using a Continental, make sure you have the inter-cylinder baffles insta
lled. A mechanical CHT gauge wouldn't be a bad idea also.
Matt Paxton
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Paul's new Pietenpol |
Paul-- Do you have a paint scheme selected yet for your Pietenpol? Sounds like
you'll be using the Corvair
engine and the Riblett wing.
Mike C.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Enjoyed our visit Earl Brown and hope your class reunion out in Chardon was fun.
Too bad it
wasn't today---we are in the low 70's.
Hope you're going to keep making sawdust this winter in PA!
All the best,
Mike C.
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Hightower's "Resignation" |
Yeah, I'm going to renew one more year. If things don't change I've
had it! C
----- Original Message -----
From: woodflier(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hightower's "Resignation"
Mike, I couldn't agree with you more. If you read between the lines,
it looks like the board wanted him out. When I had my incident at OSH
this year, I had terrific help from a lot of EAA volunteers, and most of
them were not Hightower fans, by a long shot. Ask around about the
$30,000 golf cart he demanded. I've always camped in North 40 with a
bunch of people, and we all fly in together so that we can camp
together. This year, it almost looked like the marching orders were to
intentionally not park groups together. There were a lot of upset folks,
not just in our group.
I also hope they bring back the Sportair workshops. I attended several
and they were great.
Good riddance!
Matt Paxton
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| From: | "Larry V" <larryvangerven(at)hotmail.com> |
Hello Everyone, I read this forum everyday and it keeps me motivated in moving
forward on building my piet. I am looking at getting the pulleys for the aileron
cables. The plans call for 2 inch formica pulleys and 3/32 cable. I am looking
at ordering the pulleys from aircraft spruce part # A-123 (nas) it doesn't
show any hub dia. or load limit (lbs). I was wondering if anyone could tell me
if these pulleys are ok or have any other suggestions?
Thanks
Larry V
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Larry
The A-123 series pulleys are used on secondary controls because the pulley
has a plain bore. The MS24566 series are used on primary controls because
they have a sealed ball bearing hub. I am using the MS24566-3B pulleys
because I quite frankly didn't realize the aileron control cables were only
3/32nd. If I would have known this I might have gone with the -2B and
modified the fitting. As it is I will just watch and see if it's a problem
for the 3/32 cable but I don't think it will be a problem.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry V
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pulleys
-->
Hello Everyone, I read this forum everyday and it keeps me motivated in
moving forward on building my piet. I am looking at getting the pulleys for
the aileron cables. The plans call for 2 inch formica pulleys and 3/32
cable. I am looking at ordering the pulleys from aircraft spruce part #
A-123 (nas) it doesn't show any hub dia. or load limit (lbs). I was
wondering if anyone could tell me if these pulleys are ok or have any other
suggestions?
Thanks
Larry V
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| From: | "Larry V" <larryvangerven(at)hotmail.com> |
Chris. thanks for the information.
Larry V
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| From: | "Robert Dewenter" <rdewenter(at)woh.rr.com> |
Hello all Piet enthusiasts
I want to encourage anyone who is "stuck" on/in their Piet project facing a
"mountain" that has you stuck to either reach out to a fellow builder, or
just face it head on and push through it. I have just faced another
"mountain" and I have overcome it. If I had not, my project would have begun
to collect dust. This past weekend I began installing my wood straight axle
LG fittings onto the fuselage and it is going quite well. A lot of
trepidation about drilling the bolt holes "true and straight" was my main
concern followed by cutting out "slots" for the inner fittings. I trusted
in my fabricated drill guide and I went for it. After seeing the first pair
of fitting with bolts going through them I was very happy. I'm very excited
now about my progress on my Piet. Facing this challenge and completing the
turtle deck has given me the even more confidence that I will complete it
and continue to have a blast doing so.
If your "mountain" is engine related, no matter what engine it is, Corvair
College is a great place to go. Even as a spectator you will learn a lot
about building a flight engine, and it might be the catalyst that gets you
over the mountain and allow you to look back and see it was just a mole hill
- as I did on several occasions.
Bob Dewenter
Dayton OH
Now an editorial:
It looks like perhaps EAA is getting the message that many of us in the Piet
community feel like EAA is not looking out for the interests of the "grass
roots" home builder. The new Experimenter monthly digital magazine is very
nice, but is in danger of becoming its big brother "Sport Aviation". For
those of you looking for a "grass roots" group focused on building airplanes
"a hundred dollars at a time" consider also joining the newly re-started
Sport Aviation Association. It's back and led by Ed and Val Fisher, along
with several others in supporting roles. Ed and Val will be at the Corvair
College in Barnwell in a couple of weeks. Ed Fisher along with Editor Jeff
Lange have put out a first issue and it is the same flavor as is BPAN -
printed, mailed, fun to read. Membership is donation based.
They have a website:
http://www.sportaviationassociation.org/
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| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Not sure if this link has been passed around before. If so, here it goes again.
Great info on the Stromberg Carbs.
(http://forums.matronics.com/posting.php?mode=newtopic&f=7)
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | P-Lead, Wire, Grounding, AM4 Mags |
Crew, I am ready to make up my P-leads for my Eisemann mags and am not clea
r on how to do so.- I would like to use sheilded, (braid) wires but am no
t sure how to make the connections at the switch nor at the mag. How/where
do I ground the braid? I assume I need to run grounding wires from the engi
ne, to the mount and also to the mag P-lead braid...true?
If anyone has these mags and can take a picture of how the connection is ma
de at the mag, that is about all I need...I believe.
Thanks.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | steve(at)wotelectronics.com |
| Subject: | Re: P-Lead, Wire, Grounding, AM4 Mags |
Yesterday I was giving a friend some tips on replacing p-leads on a
Grumman. Here is some of the stuff I sent him:
I think 18awg shielded
wire is
correct:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/shieldwire.php?clickkey=6369
[1]
More
information:
http://www.verticalpower.com/forums/showthread.php?683-P-lead-wiring-to-magneto
[2]
www.aeroelectric.com/articles/MAGNETOSwitchOptions.pdf
The most
informative aircraft mainteance web site in the
world:
http://www.sacskyranch.com/faqslickmagneto.htm [3]
The mag
should have a screw terminal where you'll connect the ground braid (and
another insulated terminal for the p-lead or center conductor). It is
also connected to the mag switch at the other end (to kill the motor). I
think the mags are grounded through the engine case so no ground is
needed to the case. The case should have a braided (flexible) ground
strap to the engine mount I believe. It probably isn't that important
for a wood Piet...in metal aircraft you are bonding the engine to the
airframe with that strap. Doesn't do much good with a wood fuselage.
Be sure to brace/secure your wires every few inches or they will break
in short order due to vibration!
Good luck!
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
On 2012-10-24 13:02, Michael Perez wrote:
> Crew, I am ready to make
up my P-leads for my Eisemann mags and am not clear on how to do so. I
would like to use sheilded, (braid) wires but am not sure how to make
the connections at the switch nor at the mag. How/where do I ground the
braid? I assume I need to run grounding wires from the engine, to the
mount and also to the mag P-lead braid...true?
>
> If anyone has these
mags and can take a picture of how the connection is made at the mag,
that is about all I need...I believe.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael Perez
>
Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION
Links:
------
[1]
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/shieldwire.php?clickkey=6369
[2]
http://www.verticalpower.com/forums/showthread.php?683-P-lead-wiring-to-magneto
[3]
http://www.sacskyranch.com/faqslickmagneto.htm
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| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
It looks as though mykitplane is gone. I've gotten no response from the administrator
and the sight (and all my past info) is lost. Time to move on.
I want to post pictures and share with friends my build log. I believe kit log
pro is the way to go for me. I however have a mac and will need to install a
windows operating system for this app to work. Should I buy windows 7 or wait
for windows 8? I thought maybe some of you apple guys or computer people might
have some words of wisdom for me before I make the plunge.
Thanks
--------
John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: P-Lead, Wire, Grounding, AM4 Mags |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
The ignition wiring on Scout is done exactly as Steve has described. Note, however,
that this goes against what Tony Bingelis says in one of his books, at least
the part about grounding the braid on the P-lead wire from the magneto to
the ignition switch. I don't have my books here in front of me (I know, I know,
Mikee- I should always have them with me ;o), but I believe Bingelis says
that the braid should only be grounded at one end, not both. Not sure why that
would be, though. And since the magnetos have a lug for landing the ground
braid and the ignition switch does too (or at least a lug for landing the ground
wire that shorts the P-lead to ground), I grounded both ends of the shielded
wire braid.
I am ducking for cover, as I see electrons beginning to fly from the electrical
system gurus even now.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
John,
I am using a simple Wordpress blog. It is pretty simple to set up and
edit. It is a different option and is operating system independent.
You do have to get web hosting though. Mine is at www.bearhawklsa14.com
Dave
On 10/24/2012 4:30 PM, John Francis wrote:
>
> It looks as though mykitplane is gone. I've gotten no response from the administrator
and the sight (and all my past info) is lost. Time to move on.
>
> I want to post pictures and share with friends my build log. I believe kit log
pro is the way to go for me. I however have a mac and will need to install
a windows operating system for this app to work. Should I buy windows 7 or wait
for windows 8? I thought maybe some of you apple guys or computer people
might have some words of wisdom for me before I make the plunge.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> John Francis
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385929#385929
>
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| From: | steve(at)wotelectronics.com |
| Subject: | Re: P-Lead, Wire, Grounding, AM4 Mags |
I don't have Tony's book, but what he means is that the braid should
not be grounded to the airframe at both ends. What you are doing is
using the braid as your grounding conductor for the mag which means the
braid is not connected to ground at the switch end when the engine is
operating, so there is no chance for noise issues if you had parallel
ground paths. So essentially you comply with what Tony
recommends...that is also how my plane is wired.
A shielding conductor (the braid) is typically only grounded at one end
I believe to avoid ground loops & noise issues due to having multiple
grounding paths.
Clear as mud? :)
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
On 2012-10-24 16:05, taildrags wrote:
>
>
> The ignition wiring on Scout is done exactly as Steve has described.
> Note, however, that this goes against what Tony Bingelis says in one
> of his books, at least the part about grounding the braid on the
> P-lead wire from the magneto to the ignition switch. I don't have my
> books here in front of me (I know, I know, Mikee- I should always
> have
> them with me ;o), but I believe Bingelis says that the braid should
> only be grounded at one end, not both. Not sure why that would be,
> though. And since the magnetos have a lug for landing the ground
> braid and the ignition switch does too (or at least a lug for landing
> the ground wire that shorts the P-lead to ground), I grounded both
> ends of the shielded wire braid.
>
> I am ducking for cover, as I see electrons beginning to fly from the
> electrical system gurus even now.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385931#385931
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
| From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Men are made of , exactly the thing you have accomplished, Congrats
Pieti Lowell
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| From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
Hi John,
It doesn't particularly matter whether you go with 7 or 8 for your
purposes; Kitlog will run the same on both. Windows 8 has a new default UI,
called "Modern UI" (formerly Metro), which is where Microsoft wants to go
for the foreseeable future. See the screenshots in this gallery:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3542270/windows-8-review-screenshots#3885907
However, only apps written for Modern UI will run there. In order to
provide compatibility with all existing Windows applications, there is also
a Windows 7 style desktop. In your case you would install Kitlog, and it
would add a Kitlog "tile" to that default Metro screen. When you click on
it it would open Kitlog on the Windows 7 style desktop, and you would use
it just like normal.
Amazon and Newegg list the System Builder DVDs for Windows 8 at $99, and
Windows 7 Home Premium at $91-$99, so about the same cost. As it sounds
like you are primarily going to use Windows for Kitlog, you shouldn't need
anything higher than basic 8 or 7 Home Premium; Pro versions provide more
features for business environments, such as joining to a domain,
etc. Windows 8 is the Windows future, whether we like it or not. It's been
tested to boot up/shut down faster, and perform somewhat faster in general
than 7 on the same hardware. If you're a longtime Mac user that doesn't
mess with Windows much, you actually might have a lower learning
curve.....you'll have less to "unlearn".
There is a free to download/use Windows 8 Release Preview available from
Microsoft; this is Windows 8 in more or less final form, and will work
until 01/15/13. You could install that on your Mac via Boot Camp (or with
Parallels/VMWare if you use that software), and grab the trial version of
Kitlog to give the combo a test run to see if you think it will work for
you. You can grab the ISOs for Windows here:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/download
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 3:30 PM, John Francis wrote:
>
> It looks as though mykitplane is gone. I've gotten no response from the
> administrator and the sight (and all my past info) is lost. Time to move
> on.
>
> I want to post pictures and share with friends my build log. I believe
> kit log pro is the way to go for me. I however have a mac and will need to
> install a windows operating system for this app to work. Should I buy
> windows 7 or wait for windows 8? I thought maybe some of you apple guys
> or computer people might have some words of wisdom for me before I make the
> plunge.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> John Francis
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385929#385929
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: P-Lead, Wire, Grounding, AM4 Mags |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Clear as mud. I'll describe my setup in a little more detail and let's see what
I have. Let's use the (stainless steel sheet) firewall as the starting point.
Firewall forward, I have the braid shielded P-leads from a screw terminal
block on the firewall, with the braid shields landed to a common "grounding" lug
on the firewall. I put "grounding" in quotes because what the heck is it really
grounded to? The metal firewall is really just the point of zero voltage
reference, I guess you'd say.
The leads continue forward to the magnetos, where I have the shields landed on
the magneto ground lugs at that end. I have a flat braided grounding strap from
the engine block back to the "grounding" lug on the firewall, so it sounds
to me like there are parallel ground paths right there. It didn't seem to me
that the engine mount points (through rubber donuts) were a solid metallic path
between engine block, engine mount, and firewall so I added the flexible braided
grounding strap.
>From the screw terminal block through the firewall aft to the ignition switch,
I have the braid shields of the P-leads landed on my "grounding" lug on the firewall
at one end and on the ground terminal of the ignition switch, but other
than that there aren't any continuous metallic grounding paths from the firewall
aft.
NOW clear as thick mud? For what it's worth, using a handheld COM radio has demonstrated
that there is no noticeable ignition noise from this setup.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Kit Log Pro is excellent, and it does the things you are wanting, and then some.
In addition, it is developed and maintained by Matt Dralle, who is also the
administrator of Matronics.
I really like the program and would recommend it first to anyone looking for builder's
log software.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: P-Lead, Wire, Grounding, AM4 Mags |
Thanks guys. My confusion is the fact that the wires have, in effect, two conductors...the
wire and the shielding. My AM4 mags have a single post for the P-lead,
so I am not sure what to do/how to connect the shielding.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My hero my best friend |
Hi Shelley,
Loved reading Kevin's article. Flying is fun, looking forward to doing=C2
- it again soon.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Airways Beacon: A nice stocking stuffer for your hangar/airport |
I'm shamelessly posting this to all of you in case you're having trouble fi
nding your home airport
after dark. Just mount this thing to the top of your hangar and plug-er in
. (Extension cord not included)
http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_715265_Airway+Beacon+Historic+Sperry
.html
Mike C.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Airways Beacon: A nice stocking stuffer for your hangar/airport |
Looking at that fine Pietenpol in the background, I completely missed the
light!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airways Beacon: A nice stocking stuffer for your
hangar/airport
I'm shamelessly posting this to all of you in case you're having trouble
finding your home airport
after dark. Just mount this thing to the top of your hangar and plug-er in.
(Extension cord not included)
http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_715265_Airway+Beacon+Historic+Sperry.
html
Mike C.
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| From: | steve(at)wotelectronics.com |
| Subject: | Re: P-Lead, Wire, Grounding, AM4 Mags |
The shield just needs to go to a ground point that has a good
electrical connection to the mags. The engine case or engine mount would
work if the mount is electrically connected to the engine. I'm not sure
what standard practice is for that type mag.
Just don't put a ring
terminal under any structurally important bolt or screw.
Steve
Ruse
Norman, OK
On 2012-10-25 08:28, Michael Perez wrote:
> Thanks
guys. My confusion is the fact that the wires have, in effect, two
conductors...the wire and the shielding. My AM4 mags have a single post
for the P-lead, so I am not sure what to do/how to connect the
shielding.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
>
www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION
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| From: | "Allan Macklem" <awmacklem(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Increase Piet wingspan |
I'm interested in the pros and cons of lengthening the wings of my Piet. I
understand more wing area = more lift. What are the negatives and how
significant are they (decrease or increase in speed, other)?
Somebody suggested widening the wing center section. What are the
limitations of widening the center section, assuming that you do not intend
to widen the fuselage?
As an alternative, is it practical to extend the wing tips 12-18" on each
side? What major changes are needed to support the longer wings?
Allan Macklem
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
I did mine just like the Bingilis books. Grounded the shielding on the
switch end and one the mag end.
Seems to work.
Douwe
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| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
John,
I am a Mac guy. I use Windows XP and a program called VMWare Fusion. I have been
very happy with the program. The choice of which Windows OS to use is purely
your call. Fusion will run them all.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Increase Piet wingspan |
Allen
If you extend the center section, you dont have to modify the plans for
the sections of the wings. Just be sure to build a right and a left.
Forget speed, you cant do much to improve that. The center section will
give you more room for fuel.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Allan Macklem
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 2:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Increase Piet wingspan
I'm interested in the pros and cons of lengthening the wings of my
Piet. I understand more wing area = more lift. What are the
negatives and how significant are they (decrease or increase in speed,
other)?
Somebody suggested widening the wing center section. What are the
limitations of widening the center section, assuming that you do not
intend to widen the fuselage?
As an alternative, is it practical to extend the wing tips 12-18" on
each side? What major changes are needed to support the longer wings?
Allan Macklem
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
If I was starting over, I'd lengthen the wings in some fashion, either a
wider center section or slightly longer wing panels.
Mainly because I've seen a couple fly like that and they perform markedly
better on hot days with passengers.
However, I must say that "RE-PIET" flies just fine with standard wings, and
she's heavy. However, there's a big motor up there swinging a bit prop.
One interesting observation flying a fairly heavy Piet is that she really
handles the crosswinds nicely.
Douwe
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RE-PIET flying characteristics |
Okay good people.
Have flown RE-PIET now for five hours and thought I'd make an early pilot
report.
My darn GPS wouldn't turn on the first non-wind day I had, which was the day
I had planned to get some accurate speeds.gotta love electronics. I have a
wind vane airspeed indicator which isn't super accurate so I need something
extra.
She SEEMS to cruise at 70 at 2300.
My favorite cruise condition is 2000, indicating around 60. Nice and quiet
and she'll still climb, though slowly.
Power off stalls are nice and gentle. Have no idea of the speed, the wind
vane indicator reads zero.
Power on stall is more like a mushing descent, it's hard to get a real
break. She just hangs there like a Fokker D-7 with her nose in the air.
She turns on a dime!
After reading all the landing advice and watching hundres of landings over
the last decade, I was prepared for a rather pronounced sink rate once I cut
the engine. So the first few landings, I cut it closer than with the cub
just to be prepared for the steep descent. and each time found myself
floating across the runway longer than the cub! This is on 75 degree days
on grass. She seems to float more than the cub I was flying, strange. I
can't explain it because she's heavy, but maybe the wing axle fairing is
helping a bit? Or the large airfoil wing tank? Who knows.
So far she lands easier than the Cub, as it's really easy to decide when to
stop her flying and because of that, you actually have more control of when
things happen. She lands very easily. Yesterday was a no wind day and I
was set up on final, coming right down at my aiming point and doing
absolutely nothing with the controls thinking "shouldn't I be doing
something"? felt weird as she just took care of herself until the roundout.
Haven't tried best climb yet, need to get the gps fixed. I know I got
500fpm on the gps a few times, but have to experiment more.
LIKES:
Like the whole plane, she is delightful to fly.
REALLY like the elevator servo trim system, VERY handy.
Like the control placements for carb heat and mixture, on the left, under
the control panel. Easy to reach but hard to see.
Like the starter.
Large wheels make taxiing over rough stuff pretty easy.
Small tailwheel, makes the tail lighter.
Nice having a powerful engine, I mainly cruise around now at 2000-2200 so
she's sipping fuel like a smaller engine, but it's sure nice to have that
power on climbout or just for fun.
Smoking is fun!!!!!
DISLIKES:
Really would tilt back the pilots bulkhead a few degrees. Thank GOD I'm
smallish.
Have to figure something out for the fuel indicating system. My fuel
indicator doesn't start reading until about five gallons which makes it
kind of hard to keep track of things. I'm considering a small drop down
tube type indicator in the back drain bung where I have my water drain.
This could let me have accurate readings for probably the last six or seven
gallons. We'll see.
Small tailwheel. is lighter, but I'm sure I'll have to replace it regularly
because it spins so fast. I have a bag of ten from McMaster Carr, takes
three minutes to change.
Have to keep those plexi windscreens clean or I can't see anything forward
when landing into a setting sun. Note to self!
Need to add longer "down pipes" to my long exhaust to direct the smoke from
my smoke system away from the fuse and tail more. That stuff is yucky to
clean.
GPS is at Garmin now and I'll get some accurate numbers as soon as possible.
So keep building, try to touch it every day, try to hit Brodhead as often as
possible for ideas and motivation and then. keep building, DO NOT STOP and
one day you will be looking at a finished aircraft, ready to fly. I
promise!!
THE ONLY TRICK IS TO NOT QUIT!!
October 05, 2012 - October 26, 2012
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