Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-ln
October 26, 2012 - November 08, 2012
Who's flying up to Brodhead next year who I could hook up with? Should be a
gaggle heading north and I want to tag along.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: RE-PIET flying characteristics |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
I plan to go. Let's link up somewhere and arrive in style. Should have H
Jack and Matt with me. (and Will, of course)
Gene Rambo
On Oct 26, 2012, at 9:23 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" w
rote:
> Okay good people
>
> Have flown RE-PIET now for five hours and thought I=99d make an earl
y pilot report.
>
> My darn GPS wouldn=99t turn on the first non-wind day I had, which w
as the day I had planned to get some accurate speedsgotta love elec
tronics. I have a wind vane airspeed indicator which isn=99t super ac
curate so I need something extra.
>
> She SEEMS to cruise at 70 at 2300.
> My favorite cruise condition is 2000, indicating around 60. Nice and quie
t and she=99ll still climb, though slowly.
> Power off stalls are nice and gentle. Have no idea of the speed, the wind v
ane indicator reads zero.
> Power on stall is more like a mushing descent, it=99s hard to get a r
eal break. She just hangs there like a Fokker D-7 with her nose in the air.
> She turns on a dime!
>
> After reading all the landing advice and watching hundres of landings over
the last decade, I was prepared for a rather pronounced sink rate once I cu
t the engine. So the first few landings, I cut it closer than with the cub j
ust to be prepared for the steep descent and each time found myself
floating across the runway longer than the cub! This is on 75 degree days o
n grass. She seems to float more than the cub I was flying, strange
I can=99t explain it because she=99s heavy, but maybe the wing a
xle fairing is helping a bit? Or the large airfoil wing tank? Who knows.
>
> So far she lands easier than the Cub, as it=99s really easy to decid
e when to stop her flying and because of that, you actually have more contro
l of when things happen. She lands very easily. Yesterday was a no wind da
y and I was set up on final, coming right down at my aiming point and doing a
bsolutely nothing with the controls thinking =9Cshouldn=99t I be
doing something=9D? felt weird as she just took care of herself unti
l the roundout.
>
> Haven=99t tried best climb yet, need to get the gps fixed. I know I
got 500fpm on the gps a few times, but have to experiment more.
>
> LIKES:
>
> Like the whole plane, she is delightful to fly.
> REALLY like the elevator servo trim system, VERY handy.
> Like the control placements for carb heat and mixture, on the left, under t
he control panel. Easy to reach but hard to see.
> Like the starter
> Large wheels make taxiing over rough stuff pretty easy.
> Small tailwheel, makes the tail lighter.
> Nice having a powerful engine, I mainly cruise around now at 2000-2200 so s
he=99s sipping fuel like a smaller engine, but it=99s sure nice t
o have that power on climbout or just for fun.
> Smoking is fun!!!!!
>
> DISLIKES:
>
> Really would tilt back the pilots bulkhead a few degrees. Thank GOD I
=99m smallish
> Have to figure something out for the fuel indicating system. My fuel indi
cator doesn=99t start reading until about five gallons which makes it
kind of hard to keep track of things. I=99m considering a small drop
down tube type indicator in the back drain bung where I have my water drain
. This could let me have accurate readings for probably the last six or sev
en gallons. We=99ll see.
> Small tailwheel is lighter, but I=99m sure I=99ll hav
e to replace it regularly because it spins so fast. I have a bag of ten fro
m McMaster Carr, takes three minutes to change.
> Have to keep those plexi windscreens clean or I can=99t see anything
forward when landing into a setting sun. Note to self!
> Need to add longer =9Cdown pipes=9D to my long exhaust to dire
ct the smoke from my smoke system away from the fuse and tail more. That st
uff is yucky to clean.
>
> GPS is at Garmin now and I=99ll get some accurate numbers as soon as
possible.
>
> So keep building, try to touch it every day, try to hit Brodhead as often a
s possible for ideas and motivation and then keep building, DO NOT S
TOP and one day you will be looking at a finished aircraft, ready to fly. I
promise!!
>
> THE ONLY TRICK IS TO NOT QUIT!!
>
> Who=99s flying up to Brodhead next year who I could hook up with? S
hould be a gaggle heading north and I want to tag along.
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
John,
Save your money and use a free online service. Don't worry about the
operating system.
I suggest:
http://docs.google.com - just like MS Office, except it's online.
http://sites.google.com - create your own web pages, upload pictures,
add captions.
http://www.blogger.com - about the same as sites.google.com, but maybe
you'll like the UI better.
And, google isn't going away anytime soon.
Cheers,
Dan
On 10/24/2012 03:30 PM, John Francis wrote:
>
> It looks as though mykitplane is gone. I've gotten no response from the administrator
and the sight (and all my past info) is lost. Time to move on.
>
> I want to post pictures and share with friends my build log. I believe kit log
pro is the way to go for me. I however have a mac and will need to install
a windows operating system for this app to work. Should I buy windows 7 or wait
for windows 8? I thought maybe some of you apple guys or computer people
might have some words of wisdom for me before I make the plunge.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> John Francis
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385929#385929
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE-PIET flying characteristics |
Good stuff Douwe!- Just curious, you say large prop., what size is it?
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
=0A
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| Subject: | Re: RE-PIET flying characteristics |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Speaking of flying characteristics, I flew my GN-1 yesterday after annual and new
9/16" offset of vertical stab. I think is does help a little bit w/the offset.
I should have gone for atleast an inch. I put a trim tab back on, but it's
better than no offset. I tossed in the new 406 ELT so that I can travel more
than 25 miles from home drome... $588 from Aircraft Spruce..not too shabby..
Larry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksmpLpkGsic&feature=plcp
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386041#386041
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT. My inspector never said anything about it
and I never spent
the money on it.
$588 for an ELT from Aircraft Spruce? Wow am I out of touch.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RE-PIET flying characteristics |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Douwe great report thanks! Do you have any pictures of your trim install. I
plan to do it. What size servo did you use?
Thanks!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Oct 26, 2012, at 8:23 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" w
rote:
> Okay good people
>
> Have flown RE-PIET now for five hours and thought I=99d make an earl
y pilot report.
>
> My darn GPS wouldn=99t turn on the first non-wind day I had, which w
as the day I had planned to get some accurate speedsgotta love elec
tronics. I have a wind vane airspeed indicator which isn=99t super ac
curate so I need something extra.
>
> She SEEMS to cruise at 70 at 2300.
> My favorite cruise condition is 2000, indicating around 60. Nice and quie
t and she=99ll still climb, though slowly.
> Power off stalls are nice and gentle. Have no idea of the speed, the wind v
ane indicator reads zero.
> Power on stall is more like a mushing descent, it=99s hard to get a r
eal break. She just hangs there like a Fokker D-7 with her nose in the air.
> She turns on a dime!
>
> After reading all the landing advice and watching hundres of landings over
the last decade, I was prepared for a rather pronounced sink rate once I cu
t the engine. So the first few landings, I cut it closer than with the cub j
ust to be prepared for the steep descent and each time found myself
floating across the runway longer than the cub! This is on 75 degree days o
n grass. She seems to float more than the cub I was flying, strange
I can=99t explain it because she=99s heavy, but maybe the wing a
xle fairing is helping a bit? Or the large airfoil wing tank? Who knows.
>
> So far she lands easier than the Cub, as it=99s really easy to decid
e when to stop her flying and because of that, you actually have more contro
l of when things happen. She lands very easily. Yesterday was a no wind da
y and I was set up on final, coming right down at my aiming point and doing a
bsolutely nothing with the controls thinking =9Cshouldn=99t I be
doing something=9D? felt weird as she just took care of herself unti
l the roundout.
>
> Haven=99t tried best climb yet, need to get the gps fixed. I know I
got 500fpm on the gps a few times, but have to experiment more.
>
> LIKES:
>
> Like the whole plane, she is delightful to fly.
> REALLY like the elevator servo trim system, VERY handy.
> Like the control placements for carb heat and mixture, on the left, under t
he control panel. Easy to reach but hard to see.
> Like the starter
> Large wheels make taxiing over rough stuff pretty easy.
> Small tailwheel, makes the tail lighter.
> Nice having a powerful engine, I mainly cruise around now at 2000-2200 so s
he=99s sipping fuel like a smaller engine, but it=99s sure nice t
o have that power on climbout or just for fun.
> Smoking is fun!!!!!
>
> DISLIKES:
>
> Really would tilt back the pilots bulkhead a few degrees. Thank GOD I
=99m smallish
> Have to figure something out for the fuel indicating system. My fuel indi
cator doesn=99t start reading until about five gallons which makes it
kind of hard to keep track of things. I=99m considering a small drop
down tube type indicator in the back drain bung where I have my water drain
. This could let me have accurate readings for probably the last six or sev
en gallons. We=99ll see.
> Small tailwheel is lighter, but I=99m sure I=99ll hav
e to replace it regularly because it spins so fast. I have a bag of ten fro
m McMaster Carr, takes three minutes to change.
> Have to keep those plexi windscreens clean or I can=99t see anything
forward when landing into a setting sun. Note to self!
> Need to add longer =9Cdown pipes=9D to my long exhaust to dire
ct the smoke from my smoke system away from the fuse and tail more. That st
uff is yucky to clean.
>
> GPS is at Garmin now and I=99ll get some accurate numbers as soon as
possible.
>
> So keep building, try to touch it every day, try to hit Brodhead as often a
s possible for ideas and motivation and then keep building, DO NOT S
TOP and one day you will be looking at a finished aircraft, ready to fly. I
promise!!
>
> THE ONLY TRICK IS TO NOT QUIT!!
>
> Who=99s flying up to Brodhead next year who I could hook up with? S
hould be a gaggle heading north and I want to tag along.
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
yeah..My AI cleared me to fly after the annual w/in 25 miles of airport until I
get an ELT. A bit overkill, but I decided to just get the new 406-type and be
done w/it.
Larry
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386052#386052
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Your secret is safe with us!
FYI...my FAA inspector did check to see if it was there...not sure what he
would have said if it wasn't.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 8:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
--> (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT. My inspector never said anything
about it and I never spent
the money on it.
$588 for an ELT from Aircraft Spruce? Wow am I out of touch.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Article in Museum of Flight Newsletter... |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Not really intending this as self promotion - more like sharing - but here is a
page from the most recent Seattle Museum of Flight's membership newsletter.
It features a photo of me and my Pietenpol project...
Enjoy.......................
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386072#386072
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/jake_schultz_137.pdf
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I don't have one.....really don't want to put one in......
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 5:13 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
Your secret is safe with us!
FYI...my FAA inspector did check to see if it was there...not sure what he
would have said if it wasn't.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michae
l
D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 8:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
--> (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT. My inspector never said anything
about it and I never spent
the money on it.
$588 for an ELT from Aircraft Spruce? Wow am I out of touch.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: white faced flight instruments |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Stewart Warner also makes a line of white faced instruments. Summit Racing aviation
department sells both VDO and S/W.
Dave
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386078#386078
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| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | 3/4 inch spar ply doublers |
for those who have a 3/4 spar=2C did you go with the plans and use 1/8" ply
doublers at the spar attach points or did you go to 1/4" since the origina
l plans show the 1/8" doublers on a 1" spar - making it 1 1/4" thick rather
than 1"
Tom B.
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| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | 3/4 inch spar ply doublers |
Gary=2C
Assume you did that because the ribs were made with a 1" spacing but I was
asking specifically about the spar attach points where the bracket is mount
ed.
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: Sat=2C 27 Oct 2012 00:05:15 +0000
I used 1/8" doublers at each rib.
Gary Boothe
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | 3/4 inch spar ply doublers |
I used 1/8=9D on both sides of =C2=BE=9D spars on the wing
side, and no spacers on the center section side.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
MICHELLE BRANT
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
Gary,
Assume you did that because the ribs were made with a 1" spacing but I
was asking specifically about the spar attach points where the bracket
is mounted.
_____
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 00:05:15 +0000
I used 1/8" doublers at each rib.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
Sent on the Sprint=C2=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=C2=AE
_____
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:29:28 -0500
matronics.com%3cpietenpol-list@matronics.com>
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
for those who have a 3/4 spar=2C did you go with the plans and use
1/8" ply= doublers at the spar attach points or did you go to 1/4"
since the origina= l plans show the 1/8" doublers on a 1" spar -
making it 1 1/4" thick rather= than 1"
Tom B.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
the cost went up when they switched to the 406MHZ elt from the old 121.5 el
t's.
-
Shad
--- On Fri, 10/26/12, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote:
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa
.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
Date: Friday, October 26, 2012, 11:41 AM
artners, LLC]"
Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT.---My inspector never said anythi
ng about it and I never spent
the money on it.---
$588 for an ELT from Aircraft Spruce?---Wow am I out of touch.- -
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Article in Museum of Flight Newsletter... |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Very cool, Jake!
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386093#386093
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| From: | "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
| Subject: | RE-PIET flying characteristics |
Douwe,
I am in the process of restoring Dale McCleskey's Piet (also a RePiet!) and
have decided to slant the rear seat back as well. I sat in the Piet and I
had forgotten how close I was to the instrument panel.
If I sit back another inch or so I can actually read the instruments without
my glasses!!
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://repiet.cpc-world.com
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2012 12:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE-PIET flying characteristics
Okay good people.
Have flown RE-PIET now for five hours and thought I'd make an early pilot
report.
My darn GPS wouldn't turn on the first non-wind day I had, which was the day
I had planned to get some accurate speeds.gotta love electronics. I have a
wind vane airspeed indicator which isn't super accurate so I need something
extra.
She SEEMS to cruise at 70 at 2300.
My favorite cruise condition is 2000, indicating around 60. Nice and quiet
and she'll still climb, though slowly.
Power off stalls are nice and gentle. Have no idea of the speed, the wind
vane indicator reads zero.
Power on stall is more like a mushing descent, it's hard to get a real
break. She just hangs there like a Fokker D-7 with her nose in the air.
She turns on a dime!
After reading all the landing advice and watching hundres of landings over
the last decade, I was prepared for a rather pronounced sink rate once I cut
the engine. So the first few landings, I cut it closer than with the cub
just to be prepared for the steep descent. and each time found myself
floating across the runway longer than the cub! This is on 75 degree days
on grass. She seems to float more than the cub I was flying, strange. I
can't explain it because she's heavy, but maybe the wing axle fairing is
helping a bit? Or the large airfoil wing tank? Who knows.
So far she lands easier than the Cub, as it's really easy to decide when to
stop her flying and because of that, you actually have more control of when
things happen. She lands very easily. Yesterday was a no wind day and I
was set up on final, coming right down at my aiming point and doing
absolutely nothing with the controls thinking "shouldn't I be doing
something"? felt weird as she just took care of herself until the roundout.
Haven't tried best climb yet, need to get the gps fixed. I know I got
500fpm on the gps a few times, but have to experiment more.
LIKES:
Like the whole plane, she is delightful to fly.
REALLY like the elevator servo trim system, VERY handy.
Like the control placements for carb heat and mixture, on the left, under
the control panel. Easy to reach but hard to see.
Like the starter.
Large wheels make taxiing over rough stuff pretty easy.
Small tailwheel, makes the tail lighter.
Nice having a powerful engine, I mainly cruise around now at 2000-2200 so
she's sipping fuel like a smaller engine, but it's sure nice to have that
power on climbout or just for fun.
Smoking is fun!!!!!
DISLIKES:
Really would tilt back the pilots bulkhead a few degrees. Thank GOD I'm
smallish.
Have to figure something out for the fuel indicating system. My fuel
indicator doesn't start reading until about five gallons which makes it
kind of hard to keep track of things. I'm considering a small drop down
tube type indicator in the back drain bung where I have my water drain.
This could let me have accurate readings for probably the last six or seven
gallons. We'll see.
Small tailwheel. is lighter, but I'm sure I'll have to replace it regularly
because it spins so fast. I have a bag of ten from McMaster Carr, takes
three minutes to change.
Have to keep those plexi windscreens clean or I can't see anything forward
when landing into a setting sun. Note to self!
Need to add longer "down pipes" to my long exhaust to direct the smoke from
my smoke system away from the fuse and tail more. That stuff is yucky to
clean.
GPS is at Garmin now and I'll get some accurate numbers as soon as possible.
So keep building, try to touch it every day, try to hit Brodhead as often as
possible for ideas and motivation and then. keep building, DO NOT STOP and
one day you will be looking at a finished aircraft, ready to fly. I
promise!!
THE ONLY TRICK IS TO NOT QUIT!!
Who's flying up to Brodhead next year who I could hook up with? Should be a
gaggle heading north and I want to tag along.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Does this FAA reg actually say I have to put a 406MHZ ELT in my Piet at som
e point in the future? I was thinking I would just switch back and forth my
existing $100 121.5 ELT that I have in the Aeronca.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:57 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
the cost went up when they switched to the 406MHZ elt from the old 121.5 el
t's.
Shad
--- On Fri, 10/26/12, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote:
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa
.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
Date: Friday, October 26, 2012, 11:41 AM
artners, LLC]"
Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT. My inspector never said anything abo
ut it and I never spent
the money on it.
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers |
Tom, I think you are reading your 3-piece wing plans incorrectly. My
plans show the 3/32-thick centersection fittings bolted directly to the
spar. The wing fittings fit outside the CS fitting. Thus the thickness
of the material under the wing fitting is 3/32 inch to match the
thickness of the CS fitting. OK? The fittings where the struts attach
do not reallly matter, I guess. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 7:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
for those who have a 3/4 spar, did you go with the plans and use 1/8"
ply doublers at the spar attach points or did you go to 1/4" since the
original plans show the 1/8" doublers on a 1" spar - making it 1 1/4"
thick rather than 1"
Tom B.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | 3/4 inch spar ply doublers |
Chuck=2C
I'm actually talking about the spot where the struts attach to the outer wi
ng panel. There's a "u-shaped" strap that bolts to the spar over some ply
doublers. The plans (not the CC plans) call for 1/8" but this was based on
a 1" routed spar=2C thus making a 1 1/4" thick section at that point. If
you're using a 3/4 spar and adding only the 1/8" doublers=2C you'd have a 1
" section at this point. I understand the CC dimensions are different and
call for 3/32" doublers.
Tom B.
From: cncampbell(at)windstream.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
Date: Sat=2C 27 Oct 2012 08:44:17 -0400
Tom=2C I think you are reading your 3-piece wing plans
incorrectly. My plans show the 3/32-thick centersection fittings
bolted directly to the spar. The wing fittings fit outside the CS
fitting. Thus the thickness of the material under the wing fitting is 3/32
inch to match the thickness of the CS fitting. OK? The fittings
where the struts attach do not reallly matter=2C I guess. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From:
TOM MICHELLE BRANT
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday=2C October 26=2C 2012 7:29
PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar
ply doublers
for those who have a 3/4 spar=2C did you go with the plans and use
1/8" ply doublers at the spar attach points or did you go to 1/4" since t
he
original plans show the 1/8" doublers on a 1" spar - making it 1 1/4" thi
ck
rather than 1"
Tom B.
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Hey Dan
The 121.5 is legal...I got lucky and found one of those ebc 102 elt's..really small
and light
jeff
Louisville ky
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | servo trim system, and prop size |
Jack, I just used the Ray Allen servo trim components that Aircraft Spruce
sells. I purchased the servo with actuating rod and the cockpit rocker
switch. Didn't bother with the position indicator. Found my own wire.
Rick Holland turned me on to this system. He did a very nice inset trim tab
on his elevator. I just inlet 1' of extruded piano hinge into the trailing
edge as I was wanting to get finished. The whole system has got to be
lighter than any other mechanical system I've seen installed, but it does
need electric.
To answer the prop question. I had Jay Anderson at Cloud Cars make up a
76X??? (can't remember what we decided on) because I am a strong advocate of
swinging the largest prop possible on draggy airframes. The most it'll
allow the engine to spin up is about 2450 straight and level. That might
creep up to 2500 once the engine breaks in, but honestly I quite happy
cruising around at 2000- 2200. The other day I tried taking off with
2300rpm and it worked fine.
Douwe
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
For how long?
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 27, 2012 8:31 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT?
>
Hey Dan
The 121.5 is legal...I got lucky and found one of those ebc 102 elt's..real
ly
small and light
jeff
Louisville ky
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386106#386106
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
Dan, I don't think that is legal, I think it states that any new installati
on must be a 406 MHZ.- I will check the reg I could be mistaken.- Loop
holes are usually there or at least open to interpretation.- Experimental
s usually slide by easier than certified aircraft, because the builder can
sign off the ann. cond. inspection, where as in a Cert. A/C an I.A. has to
sign and be liable for what was installed in the A/C.
-
Shad
--- On Sat, 10/27/12, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
From: helspersew(at)aol.com <helspersew(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
Date: Saturday, October 27, 2012, 8:05 AM
Does this FAA reg actually say I have to put a 406MHZ ELT in my Piet at som
e point in the future? I was thinking I would just switch back and forth my
existing $100 121.5 ELT that I have in the Aeronca.
-
-
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-
-----Original Message-----
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:57 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
the cost went up when they switched to the 406MHZ elt from the old 121.5 el
t's.
-
Shad
--- On Fri, 10/26/12, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote:
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa
.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
Date: Friday, October 26, 2012, 11:41 AM
artners, LLC]"
Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT.---My inspector never said anythi
ng about it and I never spent
the money on it.---
$588 for an ELT from Aircraft Spruce?---Wow am I out of touch.- hre
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | 3/4 inch spar ply doublers |
Sorry, Tom, I now see that you are looking for strut attach points, not
"spar attach points."
The attached picture again shows 1/8" doublers under the fittings, making
the I.D. of the fitting 1".
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM MICHELLE
BRANT
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 6:28 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
Chuck,
I'm actually talking about the spot where the struts attach to the outer
wing panel. There's a "u-shaped" strap that bolts to the spar over some ply
doublers. The plans (not the CC plans) call for 1/8" but this was based on
a 1" routed spar, thus making a 1 1/4" thick section at that point. If
you're using a 3/4 spar and adding only the 1/8" doublers, you'd have a 1"
section at this point. I understand the CC dimensions are different and
call for 3/32" doublers.
Tom B.
_____
From: cncampbell(at)windstream.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 08:44:17 -0400
Tom, I think you are reading your 3-piece wing plans incorrectly. My plans
show the 3/32-thick centersection fittings bolted directly to the spar. The
wing fittings fit outside the CS fitting. Thus the thickness of the
material under the wing fitting is 3/32 inch to match the thickness of the
CS fitting. OK? The fittings where the struts attach do not reallly
matter, I guess. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <mailto:tmbrant(at)msn.com>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 7:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers
for those who have a 3/4 spar, did you go with the plans and use 1/8" ply
doublers at the spar attach points or did you go to 1/4" since the original
plans show the 1/8" doublers on a 1" spar - making it 1 1/4" thick rather
than 1"
Tom B.
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | ELT? Now PLB Options |
I have a 4 year old "new" 121.5 ELT in my old bonanza. I just could not pop for
a 406 at the time. 121.5 is no longer activly monitored and so is of less use.
I would suggest getting one that uses common D Batteries, not special batteries.
A little more up front cost that saves in the long run. My old ELT cost
up to $50 just for the special battery pack. My "new" one requires off the shelf
"Coppertop" batteries, I buy new ones, pull the old ones for my flashlights
and keep moving. Easy and affordable.
Based on disucssions with my fellow Vtail flyers I will buy a Personal Locator
Beacon (PLB). It sends your location to a sattelite every couple of minutes.
I will probably get a SPOT based one. I may also look at other ones such as Spidertrack,
inreach, or TracMe . They may require telling someone to check their
email.
Here is a description from wikipaedia.
SPOT
SPOT does not use the 406 MHz signal nor the system of satellites. Instead, it
depends on the GlobalStar satellite system. It has richer features (for instance,
can send many non-emergency signals) but it does not work in as many places
as 406 MHz PLBs for instance under dense forest canopy or steep canyons.[34]
When a user presses the "911" button on a SPOT device an emergency message
containing the unit's identification and GPS location is transmitted to the GEOS
International Emergency Response Center who then notifies the appropriate emergency
agency for the region after first calling the user to ensure the transmission
is not accidental.[35][36]
SPOT additionally has the ability to provide non-emergency web based tracking information.
This allows family or friends at home to track the holder's progress.
The tracking operates by sending a tracking signal to the GlobalStar network
every 10 minutes. This feature can additionally be useful to provide location
of an individual even if the individual is unable to activate the emergency
'911' button.[37]
Typical costs are $169 plus a $99/year service fee for basic services or $150/yr
for basic services and tracking services, as compared to around $250 for a 406-MHz
PLB with no service fee.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Saturday, October 27, 2012 8:35
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT?
>
> Hey Dan
> The 121.5 is legal...I got lucky and found one of those ebc 102 elt's..really
small and light
>
> jeff
> Louisville ky
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386106#386106
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
Hi Dan,
I don't believe the 406 is required yet. I just had to replace the one
in my Cub and was still able to get the old one from ACS for about $160.
Like Mikee, I don't have on in 503R either.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Oct 27, 2012, at 7:05 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Does this FAA reg actually say I have to put a 406MHZ ELT in my Piet
at some point in the future? I was thinking I would just switch back and
forth my existing $100 121.5 ELT that I have in the Aeronca.
>
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:57 pm
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
>
> the cost went up when they switched to the 406MHZ elt from the old
121.5 elt's.
>
> Shad
>
> --- On Fri, 10/26/12, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners,
LLC] wrote:
>
> From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
> Date: Friday, October 26, 2012, 11:41 AM
>
(GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
>
> Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT. My inspector never said
anything about it and I never spent
> the money on it.
>
> $588 for an ELT from Aircraft Spruce? Wow am I out of touch.
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
Just looked it up either is acceptable to domesic ops inside the USA.- Me
xico, and Canada both require 406MHZ.- Any aircraft with more than 1 seat
requires an elt, unless it remains inside a 50 NM radius of where the flig
ht originated from........moving 50 mile radius hmmm.........is each leg a
new point of origin?- 50 mile legs are short even for a piet.- Now for
reality, if you can get away with it well then, go with it.
-
Shad
--- On Sat, 10/27/12, John Hofmann wrote:
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
Date: Saturday, October 27, 2012, 12:13 PM
Hi Dan,
I don't believe the 406 is required yet. I just had to replace the one in m
y Cub and was still able to get the old one from ACS for about $160. Like M
ikee, I don't have on in 503R either.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email:-jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Oct 27, 2012, at 7:05 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
Does this FAA reg actually say I have to put a 406MHZ ELT in my Piet at som
e point in the future? I was thinking I would just switch back and forth my
existing $100 121.5 ELT that I have in the Aeronca.
-
-
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-
-----Original Message-----
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:57 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
the cost went up when they switched to the 406MHZ elt from the old 121.5 el
t's.
-
Shad
--- On Fri, 10/26/12, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote:
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa
.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
Date: Friday, October 26, 2012, 11:41 AM
artners, LLC]"
Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT.---My inspector never said anythi
ng about it and I never spent
the money on it.---
$588 for an ELT from Aircraft Spruce?---Wow am I out of touch.- hre
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
The way I understand it, the basic 121.5 model is fine..The nice thing about the
406 model, is you have the option of also wiring in your gps antenna....even
with a small older handheld model like I have...so that it can pinpoint you when
you crash...
larry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksmpLpkGsic&feature=plcp
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| Subject: | Re: RE-PIET flying characteristics |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Douwe:
If I were a betting man, I would bet that you're bringing Re-Piet down final at
about 63-65 MPH and that's why it's floating on down the runway. When you get
your GPS (or a REAL airspeed indicator), try flying final at 60, then at 57-58,
then when you're comfortable with that, fly final at 54-55... but only if
it's not gusty. What a difference a few MPH makes-! At 55 MPH, Scout feels like
it's coming down on rails that are sloping at 45 degrees down to the threshold.
If I'm high or fast on final, I can throw the airplane into a slip and get it down
so fast that the ground almost swallows me up. I used to have to do that
to land it on the grass ahead of the paved runway at 8T8, because there was a
row of trees on the final approach path and I would kick it into a hard slip over
the trees, kick it out down close to the grass, then roll out as pretty as
you please before getting to the paved threshold and let the grass do all the
braking. Great fun, and grass is so forgiving.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Nope, as of Oct 4, 2012 anyway. It's still in the
bureucracy wind.
http://polarpilots.ca/index.php/whats-new/59-newadds/79-406-elt
Clif
shad bell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
Canada require 406MHZ. Shad
---
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-----Original Message-----
Shad
--- On Fri, 10/26/12, Cuy, Michael D.
(GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote:
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners,
LLC]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
Date: Friday, October 26, 2012, 11:41 AM
D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT. My inspector
never said anything about it and I never spent
the money on it.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Oscar, I'll bet you're exactly right. I'm sure I'm erring on the side of
caution and keeping things fast right now, especially as there is so much
runway in front of me!
Only have about ten landings under my belt so far because my engine builder
doesn't want me to do too many climb outs with the newly built motor for the
first five hours, so I'm limiting myself to two or three per flight.
D
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| From: | "Barnwell Regional Airport" <barnwellairport(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | corvair college #24 registration |
For those of you still undecided about coming to corvair college #24,
time is running out to register.
I expect that Ken Pavlou will cut off registration no later than Tuesday
night. Click on
https://corvaircollege.wufoo.com/forms/corvair-college-24-registration/
to register.
For us Pietenpol fans, I expect at least 5 Pietenpols to show up as well
as a large number of KR-2's, Zenairs, Sonex and maybe some others. I
realy think that we will have the largest gathering of corvair powered
planes ever in one place.
Look forward to seeing you here.
P. F. Beck
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| Subject: | Re: Airways Beacon: A nice stocking stuffer for your hangar/airp |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
heh heh.. I was thinking the same thing. Nice piece/find. Would be neat to bring
back those beacons...just for Pietenpols and Hatz's heading into Brodhead at
night..
larry
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
John, I can't find the ELT you're talking about ($160) in the ACS list.
All the ELTs I could find are in the $1100-up range. Could you give me
the ACS part number for the one you bought? (Future NX-10003) Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hofmann
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
Hi Dan,
I don't believe the 406 is required yet. I just had to replace the one
in my Cub and was still able to get the old one from ACS for about $160.
Like Mikee, I don't have on in 503R either.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Oct 27, 2012, at 7:05 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
Does this FAA reg actually say I have to put a 406MHZ ELT in my Piet
at some point in the future? I was thinking I would just switch back and
forth my existing $100 121.5 ELT that I have in the Aeronca.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:57 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
the cost went up when they switched to the 406MHZ elt from the
old 121.5 elt's.
Shad
--- On Fri, 10/26/12, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] wrote:
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT?
To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
Date: Friday, October 26, 2012, 11:41 AM
(GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT. My inspector never
said anything about it and I never spent
the money on it.
$588 for an ELT from Aircraft Spruce? Wow am I out of
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
Douwe,
I should know, but what engine are you using? Thanks for all the enjoyable r
eports and photos... A real work of art!
Ray Krause
Sky Scout builder
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 28, 2012, at 5:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" w
rote:
> Oscar, I=99ll bet you=99re exactly right. I=99m sure I
=99m erring on the side of caution and keeping things fast right now, esp
ecially as there is so much runway in front of me!
>
> Only have about ten landings under my belt so far because my engine builde
r doesn=99t want me to do too many climb outs with the newly built mot
or for the first five hours, so I=99m limiting myself to two or three p
er flight.
>
>
> D
>
>
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Builder |
Hey Mike,
I am having trouble getting in touch with you. Please call me 304 275-3787
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: tools <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Date: 10/16/2012 12:49:33 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
>
>
> There's some small changes that are common enough that they are well
vetted and you're not really just starting over... such as...
>
> A little more room between the wing and fuse. A little wider. The long
fuse version and of course some more horse power.
>
> However, if you want something that's a little roomier and can routinely
carry passengers along, you might seriously consider a larger plane. A
Bakeng Deuce is a 2 hole open cockpit parasol for example.
>
> If you just really really like the lines of a Piet, I'd consider the
Bakeng and changing the shape of tail feathers, cowling, etc rather than
changing the Piet too much.
>
> This from someone who picked a Piet so he wouldn't have to do ANY
designing himself!
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| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
I believe Canada has rescinded its 406 mandate. There was a big flap about it
a couple of years ago but the latest from the Canadian counterpart to the FAA
is that it is on hold pending further review. The FCC is working to ban all 121.5
ELT transmitters, so far unsuccessfully. Could change any time.
Whether you decide to get a 406 ELT depends on your risk tolerance and exposure.
There's also the issue of whether the US will mandate the 406 method or use
MEOSAT. Think I'm going to roll the dice with a cheap 406 and be done with it.
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| From: | "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com> |
All this my nose tank, a J3 tank. Any ideas what cap will fit?
Thanks
Jack
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| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
With today's modern fabric coverings with inspection plates and rings, is this
piece of plywood no longer needed? I looked at a few wings on WestCoast Piet
today and didn't see it.
Thanks
--------
John Francis
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
I found this explanation from another site that explains it well:
You can fly without an ELT if you have a single seat airplane or if you stay within
50 miles of where the aircraft is based. You're legal if you install a 121.5
ELT. The issue is that the satellites are not monitoring that freq, so your
121.5 ELT doesn't have the utility it once did. You are then relying on other
aircraft to hear your ELT and/or the CAP cadets to find you.
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| Subject: | Re: Obsolete Part? |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I would say that the plywood piece is totally obsolete, yes. Scout doesn't have
them.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jack; are you going to use a threaded cap on it? If so, what size is the bung
(threaded stub), inside and outside diameter and threads? There are a number
of caps that might fit. Is this a stock J-3 setup, with the float rod sticking
up through the cap?
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: End of an Era |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Last flying example? Wow. I thought there were still lots of them around, but
I guess I've got them mixed up with the Twin Beech.
One of my "Round Sounds" audio CDs has a beautiful track on it that features an
Electra from startup to leveling off in cruise, and when it gets up to altitude
and the engines and props are settled into a nice synchronized hum it is one
of the sweetest sounds you can imagine.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Builder |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Todd!
First, welcome to the group! I too am a bit on the large size for the Piet, and
yet after YEARS of searching for the "Perfect" design for my size, and still
qualify for the Light Sport designation, I decided to make the Piet fit me (at
the time I started the project i was 250lbs and 6'4") instead of vice versa.
One of the great things about the Piet is the fact it is such a solid design.
It can stand a tweak here and there and still be a good flying stable plane.
Now, what I am about to post is what I am doing, and I can't prove any of the modifications
will prove anything but an estimated guess that it will be a better
fit for me, so be forewarned!
I drew the fuse in my CAD program to insure all dimensions matched and there was
no surprises as to what one change would do to another measurement. I exported
the drawings to a CNC program and punched my fuse jig out on a CNC router so
it would be accurate.
Here's what I did to the fuse: 26" wide from nose to the back of the pilot seat;
I dropped the bottom of the fuse 2" deeper to keep me from popping out of the
fuse like a jack in the box; I lengthened the nose of the fuse by 2" (I am building
he long fuse version so this added 2" to the nose of that plan); I moved
the top of the pilot seat back 2" further aft so my face wasn't smashed into
the instrument panel; I am using the Riblett GA 30-613.5 airfoil which is a
full 6" tall at the front spar and about 5.5 at the rear (I forget exact dimensions
off the top of my head) which allows me to have a deeper spar to handle
extra weight (1320 for LSA) and to lengthen the wing by 4' (2 feet or two bays
on each wing tip); and I will move the strut connections to the wing out one
bay to compensate for the added 2 feet on each side. I also stretched the rear
turtle deck top by 1", for a total "butt to top of turtle deck" addition of 3"
total. This was about right for me. The instrument panel will stay original
height, after I made it 1" taller too proved too tall for me to see over. Didn't
need the extra height on the front of the plane, just the part where I sit!
I will be using the Corvair conversion for a full 100 hp engine.
Some thoughts on the fuse widening: probably not absolutely necessary, as I think
the 24" wide all the way to the pilot seat back would be roomy enough now that
I have the fuse framed up, but with a warm jacked to winter flying probably
will be more comfy in my fuse.
The Riblett GA-30-612 and GA-30-613.5 have been discussed on this group quite a
bit. The 612 airfoil is being built by a few folks here, and I am not sure if
anyone besides me is using the 613.5 airfoil. Here's why I chose this airfoil
for MY project: I spoke to Harry Riblett by phone a couple of years or so ago
and explained my typical summer flying condition in the summer... 95-105 degrees.
My 240-250 pounds and the light density altitude, plus my desire to have
full use of the 1320 lbs of legal LSA load meant the FC-10 Piet airfoil was not
a great choice for ME and my project. He suggested that the GA-30-613.5 ("it's
not a '613.5' " he chastised me... "...it's the GA-30-613.5"... Ok Mr. Riblett!)
would be the better choice for my needs. Now, several are building the GA-30-612
and Piety Lowell here was the pioneer on the Piet with this airfoil.
He's flown the same plane with a traditional French Curve - 10 airfoil and the
GA-30-612. He reported better flying numbers with the 612 (forgive me Mr. Riblett!)
even though that wing was chopped by 2 feet versus the original wing with
the FC-10.
The extra depth of the 613.5 (a 13.5% to chord thickness) will allow a deeper spar,
and added strength for the extra 4' of wing I plan to add.
So, for those reading this that are puritans about the design, I will not be flying
a real Piet when I finish this project. But, I WILL be flying a plane that
I can fit comfortably into for reasonable amounts of time.
Hope this helps as you begin he exciting journey of building your dream! Again,
welcome to the family.
Mark Roberts
Fresno, CA
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| From: | Bill Princell <weprincell(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: corvair college #24 registration |
Hi P.F.
I think I was probably one of the first to register. I plan to there with
my completed engine. I have repaired several small issues that surfaced
when I ran it at Roy's last year. Just need to set the timing. Looking
forward to seeing you and some of the people I've met a previous colleges.
Bill Princell -
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Barnwell Regional Airport <
barnwellairport(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:
> **
> For those of you still undecided about coming to corvair college #24, time
> is running out to register.
>
> I expect that Ken Pavlou will cut off registration no later than Tuesday
> night. Click on
> https://corvaircollege.wufoo.com/forms/corvair-college-24-registration/
> to register.
>
> For us Pietenpol fans, I expect at least 5 Pietenpols to show up as well
> as a large number of KR-2's, Zenairs, Sonex and maybe some others. I realy
> think that we will have the largest gathering of corvair powered planes
> ever in one place.
>
> Look forward to seeing you here.
>
> P. F. Beck
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Obsolete Part? |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
I'm thinking the inspection rings put into the covering is the modern day equivalent
to this part.
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| Subject: | Re: Article in Museum of Flight Newsletter... |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Way cool! Thanks for sharing.
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| Subject: | Re: RE-PIET flying characteristics |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the data! I LOVE these flight reports. Makes me wanna get mine done!
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: servo trim system, and prop size |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Douwe, I know you must have posted this recently, but what engine are you using?
The 65 or a Corvair...?
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| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Oscar I think it's stock J3, came without cap. Threads are 2 21/64 and 2 23/64.
The ID is 2 1/16. Would like to use screw type.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Oct 28, 2012, at 11:00 PM, "taildrags" wrote:
>
> Jack; are you going to use a threaded cap on it? If so, what size is the bung
(threaded stub), inside and outside diameter and threads? There are a number
of caps that might fit. Is this a stock J-3 setup, with the float rod sticking
up through the cap?
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386164#386164
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| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Jack,
You're going to have better luck determining off site whether a cap will fit if
you describe the threads in terms of threads per inch. Just put a ruler up to
it and count them in an inch and specify the outside diameter.
Can't remember if you count the first and last threads or not, so count the threads
on a 1/4-20 bolt (or other known quantity) to get the procedure.
Making one isn't really difficult should one not be available. Do you have a second
stub the same as that one? Using it as a gage while machining would ensure
a good fit.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
I'm using a C-90
Douwe
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| From: | woodflier(at)aol.com |
I bought an ACK 121.5 ELT on eBay for under $100 when I was finishing up 9
Mike Lima. My understanding is that they are not being manufactured anymore
but are still legal to install and operate, at least in the USA. I checked
late last week and there were some 121.5 mHz unit auctions and some 406 mH
z units in the $550 range, which is down considerably from where they were.
I had mixed feelings about using the 121.5, TSO C91 unit because they're no
t being monitored anymore but just couldn't swing the cost of a new 406 mHz
unit. Frankly, most Piet accidents seem to occur on or near airports, eith
er on landing or takeoff. Chances are someone would be there and call 911.
That's not the case at my strip, however. I often fly alone and there's no
one nearby.
The SPOT locators look good. Do they activate in a crash like an ELT or do
they require you to push a panic button? If you're unconscious that will be
a problem but having the tracking is a great feature.
Matt Paxton
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| Subject: | Re: Obsolete part |
| From: | woodflier(at)aol.com |
Yeah, that plywood under the aileron pulley is totally unnecessary. I glued
them in and the ended up sawing them out before I covered the wings. Just
be sure to install an inspection hole there.
Matt Paxton
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| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi Matt - I've got the old style ELT as well but I do not count on it. I use a
SPOT tracker and I don't leave home without it. I've even bought a slew of them
for aircrews to use at work. They love them, as do the flight operations
people and the leadership.
The panic button must be manually activated by the user. The tracking feature
is the life-saver. If you get lucky and crash with the SPOT seeing the sky, whoever's
monitoring your flight can give the medevac helicopter your exact location.
If the SPOT does not see the sky then whoever's monitoring your flight
still has a good idea where you went missing.
Obviously the new ELT removes the variables. I would still use the SPOT if I bought
a new ELT for the routine, administrative convenience.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: End of an Era |
Perhaps they mean the last Electra 10-E. That was the model Earhart flew, only
15 were made. There were about 130 or so of all models made. Also the Electra
12 and 14 are pretty similar.
I think there are several still flying.
----- Original Message -----
From: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sunday, October 28, 2012 23:15
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: End of an Era
>
> Last flying example? Wow. I thought there were still lots of them around, but
I guess I've got them mixed up with the Twin Beech.
>
> One of my "Round Sounds" audio CDs has a beautiful track on it that features
an Electra from startup to leveling off in cruise, and when it
> gets up to altitude and the engines and props are settled into a
> nice synchronized hum it is one of the sweetest sounds you can
> imagine.
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386165#386165
>
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Jack, SOMEWHERE I have a copy of the GN-1 plans for a fibreglass copy of the
J-3 tank and it shows a Piper part number for the cap with the fuel gauge
float. As soon as I can find it I will send you a part number if it will do
you any good. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 5:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tank cap
All this my nose tank, a J3 tank. Any ideas what cap will fit?
Thanks
Jack
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
SPOTs don't activate in a crash as far as I know. But, if they survive the crash,
they keep putting out a location ping to the internet.
If they don't survive the crash, there is a last location that was logged on the
system. So they start the search there.
Not the same but better than nothing, and if the plane has 121.5 then they can
track you down.
Blue Skies,
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: woodflier(at)aol.com
Date: Monday, October 29, 2012 9:25
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
> I bought an ACK 121.5 ELT on eBay for under $100 when I was
> finishing up 9 Mike Lima. My understanding is that they are not
> being manufactured anymore but are still legal to install and
> operate, at least in the USA. I checked late last week and there
> were some 121.5 mHz unit auctions and some 406 mHz units in the
> $550 range, which is down considerably from where they were.
>
> I had mixed feelings about using the 121.5, TSO C91 unit because
> they're not being monitored anymore but just couldn't swing the
> cost of a new 406 mHz unit. Frankly, most Piet accidents seem to
> occur on or near airports, either on landing or takeoff. Chances
> are someone would be there and call 911. That's not the case at my
> strip, however. I often fly alone and there's no one nearby.
>
> The SPOT locators look good. Do they activate in a crash like an
> ELT or do they require you to push a panic button? If you're
> unconscious that will be a problem but having the tracking is a
> great feature.
>
> Matt Paxton
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Jack, here is the tank drawing I was referring to (to which I was referring
if I were being correct in my grammar). Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 5:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tank cap
All this my nose tank, a J3 tank. Any ideas what cap will fit?
Thanks
Jack
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
They should just have a pulse hookup. That way if you crash and have no pulse,
the ELT could stop putting out a signal, since there's no hurry to come and get
you at that point.
I suppose the reason I settled on the 406 is because I'm probably more used to
the 121 Air Carrier world...where everything 'safety' is over thunk. so I decided
on getting the most I could in the event of an FAA ramp check, etc..
I would just recommend getting a cheap used 121.5 older unit if you have any concerns
about not having one...or fly long distances. It seems Piet folk are always
around friends when they fly anyway. I wouldn't be worried about "not being
found" in a Piet incident...
Larry
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
I have a J3 cap with a float that I may sell, but I'm almost sure it is a cap with
two tangs on it, not threaded, but I can look tomorrow.
Gene Rambo
On Oct 28, 2012, at 5:45 PM, "Jack T. Textor" wrote:
> All this my nose tank, a J3 tank. Any ideas what cap will fit?
> Thanks
> Jack
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Personally I have never had any love for ELTs. They are kind of like car a
larms-- they go off all of the time=2C usually by mistake=2C and people ign
ore them. I am offended that we are forced to spend the money when less ex
pensive and better options exist. I have never heard of anyone being saved
by one=2C although I suppose it has happened (probably in Alaska or someth
ing) but I have never heard of it. I think they should be made out of choc
olate so you have something to eat while you hike to the nearest house. I
like the SPOT thing=2C and will probably buy one soon. I have never had a
Fed look for an ELT on a ramp check=2C or notice if I may not have had one.
Gene
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELTs
> From: kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil
> Date: Mon=2C 29 Oct 2012 07:32:00 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
.mil>
>
> Hi Matt - I've got the old style ELT as well but I do not count on it. I
use a SPOT tracker and I don't leave home without it. I've even bought a
slew of them for aircrews to use at work. They love them=2C as do the flig
ht operations people and the leadership.
>
> The panic button must be manually activated by the user. The tracking fe
ature is the life-saver. If you get lucky and crash with the SPOT seeing t
he sky=2C whoever's monitoring your flight can give the medevac helicopter
your exact location. If the SPOT does not see the sky then whoever's monit
oring your flight still has a good idea where you went missing.
>
> Obviously the new ELT removes the variables. I would still use the SPOT
if I bought a new ELT for the routine=2C administrative convenience.
>
> --------
> Kevin "=3BAxel"=3B Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/San Marcos=2C TX
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386193#386193
>
>
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| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
At an EAA SportAir Workshop a few weeks ago, the issue of 121.5 versus
406 came up. According to the instructor, the FAA wants to push 406,
but for the foreseeable future 121.5 will continue to be legal. It
will also continue to be very imprecise and unmonitored except for the
CAP and overflying aircraft that are tuned to 121.5.
He recommended a SPOT, with the following recommendation. Instead of
waiting to activate the emergency button after a crash, which assumes
consciousness and the ability to reach the button, add the activation
of the button to your checklist in the event of an emergency landing.
That is, in the cycle of turning off non-essential electricals,
closing fuel valves, etc., activate the SPOT emergency button. Even
if you travel a quarter mile or so to the landing site, emergency
crews will have a good location to start rescue operations.
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 8:16 AM, wrote:
> I bought an ACK 121.5 ELT on eBay for under $100 when I was finishing up 9
> Mike Lima. My understanding is that they are not being manufactured anymore
> but are still legal to install and operate, at least in the USA. I checked
> late last week and there were some 121.5 mHz unit auctions and some 406 mHz
> units in the $550 range, which is down considerably from where they were.
>
> I had mixed feelings about using the 121.5, TSO C91 unit because they're not
> being monitored anymore but just couldn't swing the cost of a new 406 mHz
> unit. Frankly, most Piet accidents seem to occur on or near airports, either
> on landing or takeoff. Chances are someone would be there and call 911.
> That's not the case at my strip, however. I often fly alone and there's no
> one nearby.
>
> The SPOT locators look good. Do they activate in a crash like an ELT or do
> they require you to push a panic button? If you're unconscious that will be
> a problem but having the tracking is a great feature.
>
> Matt Paxton
>
>
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| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Thanks Chuck and Gene. The TPI appears to be 12, quite course. I will source the
part number.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Gene Rambo wrote:
>
> I have a J3 cap with a float that I may sell, but I'm almost sure it is a cap
with two tangs on it, not threaded, but I can look tomorrow.
>
> Gene Rambo
>
> On Oct 28, 2012, at 5:45 PM, "Jack T. Textor" wrote:
>
>> All this my nose tank, a J3 tank. Any ideas what cap will fit?
>> Thanks
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> Jack Textor
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Im not sure this is a correct statement, The plans (not the CC plans) call for
1/8" but this was based on a 1" routed spar thus making a 1 1/4" thick section
at that point.
Yes, the spar drawings show the 1/8th inch plywood and typical construction practice
would run it under the fitting. The problem as I see it is other drawings
show the inside width of the wing strut fitting to be 1-inch and drawings for
the upper strut fitting showing it to be 1-inch wide as well making me believe
the 1-inch width . Therefore, I believe the intent was to bolt the strut fitting
directly to the 1-inch spar with no plywood under it. I think the plywood
goes on the side of the fitting to help keep it from rotating. Notice the
odd angle the strut fitting pulls on the spar (this was later changed to the more
inline fitting used by most people). This angle will put a rotational load
on the fitting and I think Mr. Pietenpol was trying to prevent that rotation
and cracking the spar at the bolt holes. Alternatively, the fitting drawings
are wrong and they should be made 1 1/4 to fit over the plywood.
In my case I used 1/8-inch plates on both sides of the 3/4-inch spars. In retrospect
I wish I would have made the ends different on the doublers to gradually
change the spar thickness. Now I will have to add inspection plates to look
for cracking at the ends of the plywood doublers like many certified wood wing
aircraft. Bummer.
--------
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Unless Mike Groah or Scott Liefield speak up, I'm claiming Last Flight for
the week (one advantage of living on the Left Coast). A beautiful 75 deg
Fall evening, just before sunset, yesterday!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Great pics Gary from Cool.
Brian
SLC-UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Flight
Unless Mike Groah or Scott Liefield speak up, I'm claiming Last Flight
for the week (one advantage of living on the Left Coast). A beautiful 75
deg Fall evening, just before sunset, yesterday!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
Nice pictures Gary; where were you relative to Lincoln?
thanks,
Jim B.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
SW, Jim.
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Boyer
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Last Flight
Nice pictures Gary; where were you relative to Lincoln?
thanks,
Jim B.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Jim =93 If you expand this picture, you can make out Lincoln (LHM)
Airport, center-far right.
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Boyer
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Last Flight
Nice pictures Gary; where were you relative to Lincoln?
thanks,
Jim B.
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
Looking good Gary=2C it will be a while before I get to see that view=2C Mi
ke has 20 hrs so far. Need 20 more then it is my turn to see the big pictu
re. Keep up the good fun while the weather lasts. Vic
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Last Flight
Date: Mon=2C 29 Oct 2012 17:24:48 -0700
Jim ' If you expand this picture=2C you can make out Lincoln (LHM) Airpor
t=2C center-far right.
Gary Boothe
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jack;
My J-3 guru says that the stock Cub setup is for a quarter-turn locking cap, not
threaded. You have some kind of hermaphrodite tank with a threaded neck, or
else it was used in something else that required a neck extension to get the
cap up to the cowl (the more likely possibility).
FWIW, my cheapie tap & die set has a little feeler-gauge type thing where each
blade has teeth cut into it with its corresponding thread pitch. You just put
the teeth of each blade up to your threaded part till you find one that fits,
then read the thread pitch off the blade and voila. At any rate, you may need
to fabricate something that threads onto your tank neck. Quarter-turn filler
necks and caps are easy to come by... I got one from Summit Racing to build
the aluminum smoke oil tank that I have for Scout (still not installed). It uses
a spring-loaded and gasketed radiator type cap on it. They sell all the parts
needed to fabricate your own fuel or oil tank and there are several filler
necks and caps available. Or, you can cut the threaded part off your neck and
weld on a new piece that has the quarter-turn lock on the top end.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
Absolutely beautiful, Gary!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:24 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
> Unless Mike Groah or Scott Liefield speak up, I=99m claiming Last Fl
ight for the week (one advantage of living on the Left Coast). A beautiful 7
5 deg Fall evening, just before sunset, yesterday!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Has anyone tried Spidertracks?
http://www.spidertracks.com/
Clif
>
> Hi Matt - I've got the old style ELT as well but I do not count on it. I
> use a SPOT tracker and I don't leave home without it. I've even bought a
> slew of them for aircrews to use at work. They love them, as do the
> flight operations people and the leadership.
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
Gary! GREAT pictures....thanks!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe
Sent: Oct 29, 2012 5:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Flight
Unless Mike Groah or Scott Liefield speak up, Im claiming Last Flight for the week
(one advantage of living on the Left Coast). A beautiful 75 deg Fall evening,
just before sunset, yesterday!
Gary Boothe
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Gary,
You are livin he dream man! Just go for it. Take it all in....savor.....
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:26 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Flight
Unless Mike Groah or Scott Liefield speak up, I=99m claiming Last Fli
ght for the week (one advantage of living on the Left Coast). A beautiful 7
5 deg Fall evening, just before sunset, yesterday!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| From: | "Mark Wiencek" <mscca(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Piet Fuse Extension |
All,
I would like any comments on my proposed Piet fuselage modifications. I
plan to build a steel tube fuse version using the GN-1 layout, but modified
to provide more pilot room and considerations to CG and tail feather
location.
The planned pilot weight is 210 pound. Planned engine is a Corvair. Note
I plan to widen and deepen the fuselage at the pilot, but my primary concern
is the additional length and where I have added it.
Please see the attached .jpeg and see the revised measurements on the upper
layout showing the new measurement and the amount in inches of what I added
to that bay, i.e. +3, +1, etc.
The resultant overall fuselage length is 178.5"
I would greatly appreciate any constructive comments on my proposed length
mods.
Thanks,
Mark
Lake City, FL
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | fuel proof float |
Hey,
If I need to make a float for a fuel gauge, what materials can I use? Can I
just use cork or does it need to be coated with something? And if it needs
to be coated, what with? Is there something besides cork that works?
Douwe
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| From: | Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: fuel proof float |
I used a fuel float from a 1965 Mustang, its a brass float small enough to
fit through most fuel filler necks.=0A-=0Ahttp://www.mustangsunlimited.co
m/itemdy01.asp?T1=240075+01&Category=Air%2FFuel&subCategory=Fuel+Rela
ted&SubSubCategory=Fuel+Sending+Units&CatKey=EMUSTANG=0AFollow the link
=0A-=0AHans=0A-=0ANX 15KV=0AWaller, TX=0A =0A=0A_______________________
_________=0A From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>=0ATo: piete
npolgroup =0ASent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012
8:18 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: fuel proof float=0A =0A=0A =0AHey, =0A
- =0AIf I need to make a float for a fuel gauge, what materials=0Acan I u
se?- Can I just use cork or does it need to be coated with something?-
And=0Aif it needs to be coated, what with?- Is there something besides co
====
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| From: | steve(at)wotelectronics.com |
| Subject: | Re: fuel proof float |
I coated my cork with T-88, it has been working great for about 7
years, continuously immersed. Shellac didn't work well for me at all, it
would bubble and peel in a week.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
On 2012-10-30
08:18, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> Hey,
>
> If I need to make a float
for a fuel gauge, what materials can I use? Can I just use cork or does
it need to be coated with something? And if it needs to be coated, what
with? Is there something besides cork that works?
>
> Douwe
>
>
HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION
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| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
@Larry - We should be worried deeply about not being found. Had I flown another
3 minutes before my engine quit and had a bad arrival in the middle of a huge
cornfield, the SPOT would've been the only way to find me. Time was critical
in getting me help after my incident, BTW. The ELT would have allowed them
to find my body.
@Ken - Excellent point about pressing the "HELP" button on the way down, if you
have time.
There's nothing like experience.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | "Luke W." <luke.wuest(at)centurytel.net> |
Hi Gang,
We use Spidertracks at work in our single engine cessna 180s. They work similair
to SPOT, but are aviation dedicated, Where SPOT is being marketed to hiker,
hunters and aviation.
It depends what you are willing to pay, they have a feature that will automatically
send the S&R if the unit sense lose of power and stops moving. It is not
g-activated, like an ELT, but should provide similar protection, this feature
is by subscription only.
Basic service is just like SPOT, it leaves a breadcrumb trail every two minutes
and with loss of power/accident should get the CAP close, but will not call out
the troops if you do not press the emergency button. We have added this to
our emegrncy checklist.
Luke
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| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Gary,
I flew yesterday, 10-30-12. Got about a little more than an hour in hopping a ride
then some goofing off. Beautiful day out. Was finished about 2pm. perhaps
you were out later than that.
Gotta love the left coast. Year around flying for us.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Good point. Maybe I should have my gps wired into the new 406 after all. There's
an extra hookup for that. I just have to do some splicing and soldering. The
instructions for that are included.
Larry
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Front seat controls |
I am currently in the throes of deciding whether to put controls in the
front cockpit. I am at the point of HAVING TO MAKE A DECISION! I
would like to know from those having front seat controls -- "How often
do you fly passengers who actually take over the controls from you?" I
can only think of one person who I would actually give over controls to
and I just wonder how often he/she would fly with me. Please give me
some guidance. Chuck
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
Well Gary... I did fly Sunday afternoon but looking at the angle of the sun
in your pics I'd guess you were up after I was and get the award for he wh
o flew last.=C2- I did get 1.9 hours in which put me at 20.8 hours flight
time in the Pietenpol so I'm plugging away at my phase one test period.=C2
-=0A=0AI'm looking forward to our West Coast Piet Gathering so we can par
k together at Frazier Lake.=0A=0AMike Groah=0A414MV=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________
_______________________=0A From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>=0ATo: p
ietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, October 29, 2012 3:24 PM=0ASub
ject: Pietenpol-List: Last Flight=0A =0A=0AUnless Mike Groah or Scott Liefi
eld speak up, I=99m claiming Last Flight for the week (one advantage
of living on the Left Coast). A beautiful 75 deg Fall evening, just before
sunset, yesterday!=0A=C2-=0A=0A=0A=C2-=0AGary Boothe=0ANX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: Front seat controls |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi Chuck - Some guys build the controls so that you can take out the front stick
and un-hook the pedals. That's an option.
With the exception of a couple of people wanting to see how the airplane flies,
I could have gone forever without controls in the front seat. Makes it easier
to store stuff up there.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Piet Fuse Extension |
Mark,
I like the idea of adding to the pilot pit, the Grega back pit is really small.
I might add 3" to it and only 2" to the front bay, you can add an inch or more
to the engine mount. You may want to make a mock-up of the pilot pit area,
I am somewhat smaller than you and my Grega pit is non too big. If you found the
pit too small even with the 2" or 3" added you could move the diagonal at the
top of the seat aft to get more room.
Also, unless you plan to use a J3 landing gear, you could eliminate the 9 1/2"
bay and run the aft gear leg back to the same place the aft lift strut hits the
lower longeron, like Piet plans.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Wiencek
Sent: 10/30/2012 9:10:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Fuse Extension
All,
I would like any comments on my proposed Piet fuselage modifications. I plan to
build a steel tube fuse version using the GN-1 layout, but modified to provide
more pilot room and considerations to CG and tail feather location.
The planned pilot weight is 210 pound. Planned engine is a Corvair. Note I plan
to widen and deepen the fuselage at the pilot, but my primary concern is the
additional length and where I have added it.
Please see the attached .jpeg and see the revised measurements on the upper layout
showing the new measurement and the amount in inches of what I added to that
bay, i.e. +3, +1, etc.
The resultant overall fuselage length is 178.5
I would greatly appreciate any constructive comments on my proposed length mods.
Thanks,
Mark
Lake City, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Front seat controls |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
NX2RN came with front seat controls minus a throttle. So we rigged one up and
my son learned to fly from the front seat of a Piet. No instruments at all.
I think a slip indicator and airspeed would be nice though.
There are good arguments both ways. Easier to remove them than add them later.
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| From: | gcardinal(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Front seat controls |
NX18235 was built with front seat controls that were easy to remove. The fr
ont seat controls were removed in 2006 and never re-installed.
Haven't missed them.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:54:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front seat controls
I am currently in the throes of deciding whether to put controls in the fro
nt cockpit.=C2- I am at the point of=C2-=C2-HAVING TO MAKE A DECISION
!=C2- I would like to know from those having front seat controls -- "How
often do you fly passengers who actually take over the controls from you?"
=C2- I can only think of one person who I would actually give over contro
ls to and I just wonder how often he/she would fly with me.=C2- Please gi
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| Subject: | Official Fish Scale |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Helsper......send it!
Gene Rambo
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| Subject: | Re: Official Fish Scale |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Gene,
Can it wait till 11/6? I am just now fixin' to get on a plane for a week's
travel. Send me your address off-list!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Sent: Tue, Oct 30, 2012 1:25 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official Fish Scale
Helsper......send it!
Gene Rambo
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| Subject: | Re: Front seat controls |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Mine are removable. Used this feature once at Brodhead last year.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: gcardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, Oct 30, 2012 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Front seat controls
NX18235 was built with front seat controls that were easy to remove. The fr
ont seat controls were removed in 2006 and never re-installed.
Haven't missed them.
Greg Cardinal
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:54:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front seat controls
I am currently in the throes of deciding whether to put controls in the fro
nt cockpit. I am at the point of HAVING TO MAKE A DECISION! I would like
to know from those having front seat controls -- "How often do you fly pas
sengers who actually take over the controls from you?" I can only think of
one person who I would actually give over controls to and I just wonder ho
w often he/she would fly with me. Please give me some guidance. Chuck
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
Okay Gary, I did it and I think I'm seeing the airport. Would be nice to have so
much flat country near for first few hours; too many big hills over here.
Thanks,
Jim
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| Subject: | Attatching ribs to spar? |
| From: | "FandS_Piet" <fkim79(at)gmail.com> |
I didn't know if we are supposed to glue the ribs onto the spar or just nail them
in place as shown on the plans. Once the fabric is shrunk that should be enough
to hold them in place right? We are getting ready to varnish and I'm thinking
it will be lot easier to varnish the ribs before they are on the spar but
don't want to varnish the areas that will be glued.
Thanks
--------
Fred Kim
Pittsburgh, Pa
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Attatching ribs to spar? |
Fred-- there are lots of ways to do this but I preferred to glue and nail the ribs
to my spars---not required but it gave me assurance
that they weren't going to move around. Technically after you tighten your drag
and anti-drag cables the ribs should not be able
to move anywhere and some guys have done it like this without glue or nails but
for me I just wanted a dab of glue and two nails,
nothing fancy but enough to satisfy me.
I know the weather in PA isn't conducive to this right now but I ended up spraying
my wing with diluted spar varnish (mineral spirits to thin)
on a set of sawhorses on a limestone driveway back when I built my plane and that
worked like a charm. I used a Hudson spray container
or bug sprayer like you'd find at a garden department and I think it was a 1.5,
2.0 gallon plastic one. The varnish gets in all the nooks and
cranies and you have to flip the wing over of course a time or two while drying
so you minimize drips but overall it was a great, fast, and easy
way to do the job. I ended up using Helmsman Quick Dry spar urethane from Lowe's
or Home Depot and thinned a bit more with mineral
spirits so it would spray well. It took three sessions to get the wing coated
like I wanted with some finish sanding around the edges and wing
rib top and bottoms where the fabric was going to lay so the little porcupine bristles
of the wood fibers didn't show.
Mike C.
Cleveland, OH
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| Subject: | new to the forum |
| From: | Jeffery Hammer <jefferyhammer(at)gmail.com> |
Hello everyone,
I have just joined the forum and reading the Piet post. I bought a
project looks I believe the fuselage is a GN-1 type or at least it's steel
tube. Supposedly it was assembled at one time but never flew I bought it
out of a shed where it had been for the last 10 years. I'm in the process
of stripping it down. The project came with a Corvair engine which I wold
like to sell. Any idea what it's worth or where would be a good place to
list it?
Thanks,
Jeff
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| From: | Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Attatching ribs to spar? |
I do not know, but I glue them with epoxy, above and under the spar, even I
put a little piece of wood to fill the gap of the angle.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/VQFQHuLQxbtIy1zs2nESH9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
Mario Giacummo
. -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- /
...- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - .
2012/10/30 FandS_Piet
>
> I didn't know if we are supposed to glue the ribs onto the spar or just
> nail them in place as shown on the plans. Once the fabric is shrunk that
> should be enough to hold them in place right? We are getting ready to
> varnish and I'm thinking it will be lot easier to varnish the ribs before
> they are on the spar but don't want to varnish the areas that will be glued.
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Fred Kim
> Pittsburgh, Pa
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386318#386318
>
>
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | new to the forum |
Welcome Jeff! Send some pics as soon as possible.we would all like to see
your project! I have a Corvair powered Piet that's got more power than it
needs. I love that engine! Curious why you want to sell yours?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeffery
Hammer
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: new to the forum
Hello everyone,
I have just joined the forum and reading the Piet post. I bought a
project looks I believe the fuselage is a GN-1 type or at least it's steel
tube. Supposedly it was assembled at one time but never flew I bought it
out of a shed where it had been for the last 10 years. I'm in the process
of stripping it down. The project came with a Corvair engine which I wold
like to sell. Any idea what it's worth or where would be a good place to
list it?
Thanks,
Jeff
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Attatching ribs to spar? |
I used wedges and nails. No glue.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of FandS_Piet
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Attatching ribs to spar?
I didn't know if we are supposed to glue the ribs onto the spar or just nail
them in place as shown on the plans. Once the fabric is shrunk that should
be enough to hold them in place right? We are getting ready to varnish and
I'm thinking it will be lot easier to varnish the ribs before they are on
the spar but don't want to varnish the areas that will be glued.
Thanks
--------
Fred Kim
Pittsburgh, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Attatching ribs to spar? |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I can see a nail or two, or a spot of glue, but even more so than the anti-drag
wires, the rib stitching is not going to let them move ANYWHERE.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey all,
I have to make a second fuel gauge that will read the last eight gallons or
so, so I'm not always having to guesstimate. So for those of you making (or
modifying) a wing tank and looking for a drop down fuel gauge set up, ck
this out.
In my search I found these brass site gauges at Mcmaster Carr (go to vented
oil level indicators, then you'll see some straight ones) and they are so
cool I thought I should post them. Lots of guys over the years have
modified ACS versions or made their own, but these are almost ready to go
and very professional looking, and not expensive.
All one needs to do is plug the vent hole at the bottom, make up a little
float/wire set up and you're ready to go. They come in most NPT so they'll
fit fuel tank bungs. I got one and it's all shiny brass and real glass.
really nice. I'm getting a shorter one and modifying the base to accept a
curtis drain valve since that's where I drain water from my tank.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#liquid-level-gauges/=jxl2cj
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: new to the forum |
| From: | Jeffery Hammer <jefferyhammer(at)gmail.com> |
Gary,
You just stated my reason more power than it needs. I'm going with a 65 Con
nie I was going to use the AeroVee 80 hp but it doesn't have the torque of t
he 65. Speed is in the wing and 70 is fast enough for me I don't need to bu
rn 7 gph when I can fly at 3.7 gph.
I'll try to upload pictures later on. Thanks for your input look forward to
learning all I can.
Jeff
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:45 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
> Welcome Jeff! Send some pics as soon as possiblewe would all like
to see your project! I have a Corvair powered Piet that=99s got more p
ower than it needs. I love that engine! Curious why you want to sell yours?
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeffery Hammer
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:28 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: new to the forum
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have just joined the forum and reading the Piet post. I bought a p
roject looks I believe the fuselage is a GN-1 type or at least it's steel tu
be. Supposedly it was assembled at one time but never flew I bought it out o
f a shed where it had been for the last 10 years. I'm in the process of str
ipping it down. The project came with a Corvair engine which I wold like to
sell. Any idea what it's worth or where would be a good place to list it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Attatching ribs to spar? |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Fred,
I say nail and glue. The wing gains a lot of stiffness when you glue those uprights
to the face of the spar. Many wings use compression struts that hold the
spars square vertically in relation to each other (make sense...?) The Piet
uses a separate compression strut on the top and bottom of the spar. Good setup
but I think it relies a little bit on the stiffness gained from the uprights
that were added to the ribs a little later in the plans. The plywood leading
edge adds lots of stiffness too. Probably not a big deal but just my observation.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Attatching ribs to spar? |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Wedges, glue and stainless steel pin nails.
--------
John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Attatching ribs to spar? |
| From: | "FandS_Piet" <fkim79(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for all the quick responses guy. Sounds like nail and glue it will be for
me.
--------
Fred Kim
Pittsburgh, Pa
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| From: | John Greenlee <jmgreenlee(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Hello,
I am building a straight axle with brakes a la Curmudgeon and Helspar. What is
a good length for the pins that prevent the axle from rolling?
Thx!
JMG
NX899JG will live again!
Sent from my iPhone
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Front seat controls |
Chuck, I have the front control stick removable. No instruments up front and no
throttle.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Attatching ribs to spar? |
I copied what Mike C. did but I used the water based spar varnish and thinn
ed with water. As he did, I used a store bought, hand pumped sprayer, laid
down plastic sheet in the garage and used saw horses.- I have pictures if
interested.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
John, the axle pins need to be long enough to allow some vertical movement
for the bungee suspension.- You'll also need enough length to then pass t
hrough whatever method used to hold said pin.- My pins are about 5" long
measured from the bottom of the axle. I have lots of pictures, if intereste
d.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | overhead fuel gauge |
I bought the 6" long one, but then realized, my tank is only a bit over four
inches deep at the back so the extra depth was a waste, especially behind
the passengers head. I'm ordering a 4.5 incher now. Depends on what size
your tank bung is, but you don't need more depth than the tank has.
Did some research and the seals are supposedly fine for all fuels. If you
want a six incher, I'll sell you mine.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Attatching ribs to spar? |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Fred,
I used T88 epoxy, stainless nails, and wedges to attach ribs. The nails
were used for clamping pressure while the epoxy cured.
After all the woodwork was completed, I sealed the wood with Poly Fiber's
EV-400 epoxy varnish (and EV-410 epoxy varnish catalyst) thinned with E-500
epoxy reducer. The thinned varnish did penetrate into the wood very well.
I applied three coats with a brush. Although the results were great, it
took quite a bit of time and was a tedius process. By the way, I built a
wing rotator and used it most of the time throughout the wing build
process. It was extremely helpful during the varnish process as well as
covering & painting.
Consider a wing varnish party!!! Beer, brats, music, and a bunch of
friends/relatives. Drips and runs can be sanded out later.
;-)
Greg
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 4:10 PM, FandS_Piet wrote:
>
> I didn't know if we are supposed to glue the ribs onto the spar or just
> nail them in place as shown on the plans. Once the fabric is shrunk that
> should be enough to hold them in place right? We are getting ready to
> varnish and I'm thinking it will be lot easier to varnish the ribs before
> they are on the spar but don't want to varnish the areas that will be glued.
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Fred Kim
> Pittsburgh, Pa
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386318#386318
>
>
--
Greg Bacon
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Front seat controls |
Chuck=3B
To answer your question directly=2C I have rarely taken passengers up with
the intent of giving them the controls so in that respect=2C the controls d
on't serve a frequent purpose. However=2C I got my Air Camper checkout fly
ing Scout from the front seat (no instruments=2C no brakes=2C no fuel shuto
ff valve=2C no carb heat!) and I have checked out another pilot or two in t
he airplane while I flew front seat and they were in back. I have also flo
wn numerous flights with a buddy where I have flown navigator position in f
ront with him as PIC in back=2C and had him ask me to take the controls whi
le he peeled of a jacket=2C put on a jacket=2C or made other adjustments.
It was handy to have that capability=2C but certainly not something that ha
ppens frequently. I think it heightens the joy and wonder of a first fligh
t if you offer a passenger the opportunity to take the controls and let the
m feel what it's like to control the airplane in flight.
I guess it would be OK to just have a "sterile cockpit" up there=2C but par
t of the appeal of the Air Camper to me is that it has controls up front.
Mine has rudder=2C stick=2C and throttle in front... and I learned to fly i
t with just those essentials plus sight and sound. I like flying it from u
p there=2C too. But yes=2C you could save a couple of pounds by eliminatin
g front cockpit controls.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Bruce, for the interior parts you describe, you only need enough product to
protect the wood. Any more than that is added weight and cost. Resist the
temptation to slap on multiple heavy coats for a show room glossy look...it
all gets covered up.- Consider the environment your plane will reside in
, (hangar, outside...) as well as type varnish used and any thinning. I use
d a single coat of water based varnish for all covered parts and two coats
of un-thinned spar varnish for the cockpits.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
=0A
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| Subject: | Covering progress... |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
Making some headway now one wing and the fuse to go and I'm done covering! This
wing is primed and ready for paint
--------
NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings to be covered next.
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Covering progress... |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Way to go Chris. Great looking fabric and paint work. You'll have it at the airport
ready to fly before you know it.
Cheers,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Covering progress... |
Hey! That's a pretty control surface -- but where is the control horn? C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 9:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering progress...
>
>
> Making some headway now one wing and the fuse to go and I'm done covering!
> This wing is primed and ready for paint
>
> --------
> NX321LR
> Fully Assembled
> Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
> Wings to be covered next.
> Mitsubishi Powered
>
>
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>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386539#386539
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>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Covering progress... |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
nightmare wrote:
> looks great, what paint process did you use?
I used automotive paint for the rudder, but I had some peeling issues when I used
it for the flat base paint, so I am now using the new stewart systems paint.
its a new paint not on the website yet and it seems to work very well on the
test panels I did.
--------
NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings to be covered next.
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Covering progress... |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
Chuck Campbell wrote:
> Hey! That's a pretty control surface -- but where is the control horn? C
>
> ---
I used the supplement plans from the UK and it will be mounted down low underneath
the horizontal stab.....i just need to burn the holes thru. and the horns
sandwich the rudder.
--------
NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings to be covered next.
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Covering progress... |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Nice....!! I can only dream about being that far along....
Back to the shop now and the fabrication of the elevator bellcrank/walking beam
assembly for me - thanks for the inspiration...
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com> |
Looks good Chris. How did you get the UK plans? Where did you get the plans to
make the wing stands?
Thanks
Joe in Morris, IL
Installing electrical in my new shop/garage
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Stupendous camera work |
https://picasaweb.google.com/100843558075002483077/Videos?authkey=Gv1sRgCLv1hJzy6qHyywE#5806622457115750114
https://picasaweb.google.com/100843558075002483077/N8031#5806270317657436018
https://picasaweb.google.com/100843558075002483077/N8031#5806270261907816146
Jeff's definitely got the look of a 1929 pilot.
Enjoy N8031, Jeff. I know I did!
Cheers
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
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| From: | Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Stupendous camera work |
Sweet!
Andy Abreu
6186L
--- On Sat, 11/3/12, Dan Yocum wrote:
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stupendous camera work
Date: Saturday, November 3, 2012, 12:33 PM
https://picasaweb.google.com/100843558075002483077/Videos?authkey=Gv1sRgC
Lv1hJzy6qHyywE#5806622457115750114
https://picasaweb.google.com/100843558075002483077/N8031#580627031765743601
8
https://picasaweb.google.com/100843558075002483077/N8031#580627026190781614
6
Jeff's definitely got the look of a 1929 pilot.
Enjoy N8031, Jeff.- I know I did!
Cheers
Dan
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | A cold fall flight... |
Forecast said this would be a cool, cloudy but very still day. Got to the
airport at 11:00am, it was about 40 degrees. I was interested in how cold
it would feel, and excited because this would be my first chance to use the
WWII vintage leather flying coveralls I purchased years ago Chris Bobka
during the building/dreaming stage.
Fueled up with twelve gallons of 100ll. Suit felt great, clearly designed
for sitting, though it was hard to get my harness on. Earplugs in, leather
helmet on, goggles on (I need these with my windscreens or else my eyes
water all the time and burn the next day). Pointed her nose down the runway
(not into the wind, as there wasn't any) and took of into a leaden sky for a
later morning patrol.
The C-90/Cloud Car prop combo turns up about 2475 on climbout, though I kept
the nose down to keep the engine cool as she's still breaking in. Turned
away to find the local lake while I climbed to 3,000. Proceeded to explore
both power on and power off stalls. I can feel absolutely NO buffet before
either. I'm trying to train myself to feel when she's on the edge, but the
best I can come up with is a mushy feel on the elevators. If I didn't have
earplugs, I'm sure the sounds would be a giveaway as well. She stalls
straight ahead power on and power off.
After I played around with that for a while, I decided to see if my
refurbished Garmin 196 was working so I flew over to Lebanon/Warren County,
led me right there. Overflew it and decided now was as good a time as ever
to try an asphalt landing, so got into the pattern and did one fly by down
the runway to get a feel for it. Set up again and everything went really
well, three-pointed it on and she stayed nice and straight. I like the
bungees being pretty firm, she just seems to squat onto the pavement. As I
gave her the gas to go around, I noticed a guy running out with a camera so
gave him some smoke, knowing I"d have to clean her up later because I've not
installed the longer downpipes on my exhaust, but what the heck! I remember
being that guy for most of my life!!
Did another nice landing and headed home.
Approaching the field I saw about a half dozen parachutes over the field so
I flew right through them with smoke going. NO, JUST KIDDING. I peeled off
and hung out of range 'til the last one landed then came in for a landing.
However, by now, it's been almost an hour and I guess I'm colder than I
thought (my teeth were almost chattering) and I plunked her down from too
high. Guess I was in some sort of cold stupor or something. Ticked me off
so I went around and did it twice more, both of them nice. Good lesson to
learn, that you can get kind of numb when it's cold, or after a long flight.
First raindrops started to fall as I taxied to the hangar. Went to
Mcdonalds and got some coffee and drove home.
God is good!
Keep building, it's worth it!!!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: A cold fall flight... |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Thanks Douwe, that great!
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
You have to join the uk club and then there free to download from their website.
I just threw together the stands from some scrap metal I had laying around.
I will post up a sketch with some dimensions when I get back out in the shop....
--------
NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings to be covered next.
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: A cold fall flight... |
| From: | "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com> |
Douwe, that guy with a camera was me. I spotted you as a Pietenpol over a mile
out and scrambled to get my camera in case you only flew by once. Fortunately
you hung around and did a few touch-n-go's so I drove down the taxiway to get
a little closer. I tried hailing you on the radio to see if you would mind
stopping by so I could admire your Piet but I guess you were NORDO. Looked great!
Here are some of the pictures I took. Did you hit any of the rain on your
way home?
I believe we may have some common acquaintances. I know Kentuckians Barry Rusk,who
has a Kitfox, and Dan Sherrer, who is building a Zenith 601XL and they told
me they knew about you and your Pietenpol.
--------
David Gallagher
Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 220+ hours now
Next project under construction: Finish my father's Aircamper
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | A cold fall flight...In Calif, Too! |
Great story, Douwe! Mine's not nearly so good: Cold 68 deg Fall day in N.
Calif. ;-).flew into the Sierra foothills, then turned around and came back.
One landing.a good one, so need to do more! Besides, too much traffic and me
without a radio.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 1:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A cold fall flight...
Forecast said this would be a cool, cloudy but very still day. Got to the
airport at 11:00am, it was about 40 degrees. I was interested in how cold
it would feel, and excited because this would be my first chance to use the
WWII vintage leather flying coveralls I purchased years ago Chris Bobka
during the building/dreaming stage.
Fueled up with twelve gallons of 100ll. Suit felt great, clearly designed
for sitting, though it was hard to get my harness on. Earplugs in, leather
helmet on, goggles on (I need these with my windscreens or else my eyes
water all the time and burn the next day). Pointed her nose down the runway
(not into the wind, as there wasn't any) and took of into a leaden sky for a
later morning patrol.
The C-90/Cloud Car prop combo turns up about 2475 on climbout, though I kept
the nose down to keep the engine cool as she's still breaking in. Turned
away to find the local lake while I climbed to 3,000. Proceeded to explore
both power on and power off stalls. I can feel absolutely NO buffet before
either. I'm trying to train myself to feel when she's on the edge, but the
best I can come up with is a mushy feel on the elevators. If I didn't have
earplugs, I'm sure the sounds would be a giveaway as well. She stalls
straight ahead power on and power off.
After I played around with that for a while, I decided to see if my
refurbished Garmin 196 was working so I flew over to Lebanon/Warren County,
led me right there. Overflew it and decided now was as good a time as ever
to try an asphalt landing, so got into the pattern and did one fly by down
the runway to get a feel for it. Set up again and everything went really
well, three-pointed it on and she stayed nice and straight. I like the
bungees being pretty firm, she just seems to squat onto the pavement. As I
gave her the gas to go around, I noticed a guy running out with a camera so
gave him some smoke, knowing I"d have to clean her up later because I've not
installed the longer downpipes on my exhaust, but what the heck! I remember
being that guy for most of my life!!
Did another nice landing and headed home.
Approaching the field I saw about a half dozen parachutes over the field so
I flew right through them with smoke going. NO, JUST KIDDING. I peeled off
and hung out of range 'til the last one landed then came in for a landing.
However, by now, it's been almost an hour and I guess I'm colder than I
thought (my teeth were almost chattering) and I plunked her down from too
high. Guess I was in some sort of cold stupor or something. Ticked me off
so I went around and did it twice more, both of them nice. Good lesson to
learn, that you can get kind of numb when it's cold, or after a long flight.
First raindrops started to fall as I taxied to the hangar. Went to
Mcdonalds and got some coffee and drove home.
God is good!
Keep building, it's worth it!!!
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | A cold fall flight... |
Nice writeup, Douwe.
I find the same thing, after flying a long leg of a cross-country, I tend to
land about 3' above the runway. I find it best to make a full pattern to
get some turns in to sort of get the feel of the airplane back. Worst is if
I make a straight-in approach. I need to make at least one turn, to have
any chance at a decent landing.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A cold fall flight...
Forecast said this would be a cool, cloudy but very still day. Got to the
airport at 11:00am, it was about 40 degrees. I was interested in how cold
it would feel, and excited because this would be my first chance to use the
WWII vintage leather flying coveralls I purchased years ago Chris Bobka
during the building/dreaming stage.
Fueled up with twelve gallons of 100ll. Suit felt great, clearly designed
for sitting, though it was hard to get my harness on. Earplugs in, leather
helmet on, goggles on (I need these with my windscreens or else my eyes
water all the time and burn the next day). Pointed her nose down the runway
(not into the wind, as there wasn't any) and took of into a leaden sky for a
later morning patrol.
The C-90/Cloud Car prop combo turns up about 2475 on climbout, though I kept
the nose down to keep the engine cool as she's still breaking in. Turned
away to find the local lake while I climbed to 3,000. Proceeded to explore
both power on and power off stalls. I can feel absolutely NO buffet before
either. I'm trying to train myself to feel when she's on the edge, but the
best I can come up with is a mushy feel on the elevators. If I didn't have
earplugs, I'm sure the sounds would be a giveaway as well. She stalls
straight ahead power on and power off.
After I played around with that for a while, I decided to see if my
refurbished Garmin 196 was working so I flew over to Lebanon/Warren County,
led me right there. Overflew it and decided now was as good a time as ever
to try an asphalt landing, so got into the pattern and did one fly by down
the runway to get a feel for it. Set up again and everything went really
well, three-pointed it on and she stayed nice and straight. I like the
bungees being pretty firm, she just seems to squat onto the pavement. As I
gave her the gas to go around, I noticed a guy running out with a camera so
gave him some smoke, knowing I"d have to clean her up later because I've not
installed the longer downpipes on my exhaust, but what the heck! I remember
being that guy for most of my life!!
Did another nice landing and headed home.
Approaching the field I saw about a half dozen parachutes over the field so
I flew right through them with smoke going. NO, JUST KIDDING. I peeled off
and hung out of range 'til the last one landed then came in for a landing.
However, by now, it's been almost an hour and I guess I'm colder than I
thought (my teeth were almost chattering) and I plunked her down from too
high. Guess I was in some sort of cold stupor or something. Ticked me off
so I went around and did it twice more, both of them nice. Good lesson to
learn, that you can get kind of numb when it's cold, or after a long flight.
First raindrops started to fall as I taxied to the hangar. Went to
Mcdonalds and got some coffee and drove home.
God is good!
Keep building, it's worth it!!!
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Stupendous camera work |
[sigh]
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 9:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stupendous camera work
https://picasaweb.google.com/100843558075002483077/Videos?authkey=Gv1sRgCLv1
hJzy6qHyywE#5806622457115750114
https://picasaweb.google.com/100843558075002483077/N8031#5806270317657436018
https://picasaweb.google.com/100843558075002483077/N8031#5806270261907816146
Jeff's definitely got the look of a 1929 pilot.
Enjoy N8031, Jeff. I know I did!
Cheers
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: A cold fall flight... |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Really enjoying your reports Douwe. Thanks for sharing your experience. That
bit about flying through the parachutes cracked me up... had me going for a second
as I read that. Ha!
The photos look way cool... you have a really neat looking airplane.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386699#386699
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: A cold fall flight...In Calif, Too! |
| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
Beautiful pictures, Gary. I flew to Oroville And then to Corning today. Cor
ning is on 123.00 Unicom ,so I thought about asking those in the pattern at L
incoln if they saw a beautiful Pietenpol flying around! Sounded as though L
incoln was pretty busy today. I will find you someday.
Ray
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 3, 2012, at 3:12 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
> Great story, Douwe! Mine=99s not nearly so good: Cold 68 deg Fall d
ay in N. Calif. ;-)flew into the Sierra foothills, then turned arou
nd and came back. One landinga good one, so need to do more! Beside
s, too much traffic and me without a radio.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 1:02 PM
> To: pietenpolgroup
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: A cold fall flight...
>
> Forecast said this would be a cool, cloudy but very still day. Got to the
airport at 11:00am, it was about 40 degrees. I was interested in how cold i
t would feel, and excited because this would be my first chance to use the W
WII vintage leather flying coveralls I purchased years ago Chris Bobka durin
g the building/dreaming stage.
>
> Fueled up with twelve gallons of 100ll. Suit felt great, clearly designed
for sitting, though it was hard to get my harness on. Earplugs in, leather
helmet on, goggles on (I need these with my windscreens or else my eyes wat
er all the time and burn the next day). Pointed her nose down the runway (n
ot into the wind, as there wasn=99t any) and took of into a leaden sky
for a later morning patrol.
>
> The C-90/Cloud Car prop combo turns up about 2475 on climbout, though I ke
pt the nose down to keep the engine cool as she=99s still breaking in.
Turned away to find the local lake while I climbed to 3,000. Proceeded to
explore both power on and power off stalls. I can feel absolutely NO buffe
t before either. I=99m trying to train myself to feel when she=99
s on the edge, but the best I can come up with is a mushy feel on the elevat
ors. If I didn=99t have earplugs, I=99m sure the sounds would b
e a giveaway as well. She stalls straight ahead power on and power off.
>
> After I played around with that for a while, I decided to see if my refurb
ished Garmin 196 was working so I flew over to Lebanon/Warren County, led me
right there. Overflew it and decided now was as good a time as ever to try
an asphalt landing, so got into the pattern and did one fly by down the run
way to get a feel for it. Set up again and everything went really well, thr
ee-pointed it on and she stayed nice and straight. I like the bungees being
pretty firm, she just seems to squat onto the pavement. As I gave her the g
as to go around, I noticed a guy running out with a camera so gave him some s
moke, knowing I=9Dd have to clean her up later because I=99ve no
t installed the longer downpipes on my exhaust, but what the heck! I remembe
r being that guy for most of my life!!
> Did another nice landing and headed home.
>
> Approaching the field I saw about a half dozen parachutes over the field s
o I flew right through them with smoke going NO, JUST KIDDING
I peeled off and hung out of range =98til the last one landed then
came in for a landing. However, by now, it=99s been almost an hour a
nd I guess I=99m colder than I thought (my teeth were almost chatterin
g) and I plunked her down from too high. Guess I was in some sort of cold s
tupor or something. Ticked me off so I went around and did it twice more, b
oth of them nice. Good lesson to learn, that you can get kind of numb when i
t=99s cold, or after a long flight.
>
> First raindrops started to fall as I taxied to the hangar. Went to Mcdona
lds and got some coffee and drove home.
>
> God is good!
>
> Keep building, it=99s worth it!!!
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
>
> www.aeroelectric.com
> www.buildersbooks.com
> www.homebuilthelp.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Missing Conversation... |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
On several occasions I've noticed that people are replying to comments made by
others that aren't being posted to the web version... makes it clear to me that
I am missing large parts of conversations at times.
As an example, in this thread it is clear that Ray is responding to a comment that
Gary made in reference to Douwe's most recent report.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=93484&sid=050cc831f5c323faf06269b797dca07c
But there is no sign of Gary's comment on Douwe's thread...
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=93478
There could be an easy answer to this, but I'm just wondering, where are these
conversations taking place? Via e-mail? If so, why would the e-mail be received
by the group, but the text not be displayed on the web list? I mean, there
appear to be others that use e-mail to communicate and their text is on the
web (i.e. Ray received Gary's text, which doesn't appear on the web, yet Ray's
response IS on the web). I'm wondering how I can see all of the conversation
without having to constantly check or participate via e-mail?
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386705#386705
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Missing Conversation... |
Maybe we have to "Reply to all" on this forum so everyone can see it? I have just
been hitting "Reply". Maybe Matt could respond.
Ray
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 3, 2012, at 9:42 PM, "K5YAC" wrote:
>
> On several occasions I've noticed that people are replying to comments made by
others that aren't being posted to the web version... makes it clear to me that
I am missing large parts of conversations at times.
>
> As an example, in this thread it is clear that Ray is responding to a comment
that Gary made in reference to Douwe's most recent report.
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=93484&sid=050cc831f5c323faf06269b797dca07c
>
> But there is no sign of Gary's comment on Douwe's thread...
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=93478
>
> There could be an easy answer to this, but I'm just wondering, where are these
conversations taking place? Via e-mail? If so, why would the e-mail be received
by the group, but the text not be displayed on the web list? I mean, there
appear to be others that use e-mail to communicate and their text is on the
web (i.e. Ray received Gary's text, which doesn't appear on the web, yet Ray's
response IS on the web). I'm wondering how I can see all of the conversation
without having to constantly check or participate via e-mail?
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386705#386705
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Missing Conversation... |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Your text posted fine Ray. While it created a new thread, it did at least get
posted.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386709#386709
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
WOW DAVE!!
What a small world!!
THANKS so much for the pics!!! IF you have anymore, I'd love to see them as
I don't have many with me piloting. You can email me offline at
douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net
Let me know when you're at the airport and I'll try to fly over, or we can
meet up at Waynesville where she's stationed for the next two weeks.
Congrats Dan and Jeff on the sale and the purchase of a great plane!!
Douwe
Ps. Weather looks good for thurs or fri so I'm going to try to fly one or
both of those days. If anyone is around the Waynesville area let's meet up.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: small world! |
| From: | Matthew <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
How late are you going to be around the airport Friday? I can be there aroun
d 4 an would love to take a look!
Matthew VanDervort
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 4, 2012, at 8:27 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" w
rote:
> WOW DAVE!!
>
> What a small world!!
>
> THANKS so much for the pics!!! IF you have anymore, I=99d love to s
ee them as I don=99t have many with me piloting. You can email me off
line at douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net
>
> Let me know when you=99re at the airport and I=99ll try to fly
over, or we can meet up at Waynesville where she=99s stationed for th
e next two weeks.
>
> Congrats Dan and Jeff on the sale and the purchase of a great plane!!
>
> Douwe
>
> Ps. Weather looks good for thurs or fri so I=99m going to try to fl
y one or both of those days. If anyone is around the Waynesville area let
=99s meet up.
>
>
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| From: | dewey davenport <onedgerc(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: small world! |
Douwe=0AI will be getting back home late Monday. I will be available anytim
e after that. If the temp is in the 40's, I doubt I will be flying the piet
but I can bring the Champ over to Waynesville for a visit. I enjoyed readi
ng about the flight you did a couple mornings ago. When=C2-I read=C2-yo
ur story, I was able to visualize myself taking off and flying around Wayne
sville, Caesar Creek,and the=C2-fuel tanks at Lebanon Warren County airpo
rt, and etc. Sounded like a blast.=0A=C2-=0AIf weather holds on Thursday
or Friday, plan on some good grass-rooting around the area.=0A=C2-=0ADewe
y=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Douwe Blumberg <douweb
lumberg(at)earthlink.net>=0ATo: pietenpolgroup
=0ASent: Sunday, November 4, 2012 5:27 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: small
world!=0A =0A=0A =0AWOW DAVE!! =0A=C2- =0AWhat a small world!! =0A=C2-
=0ATHANKS so much for the pics!!!=C2- IF you have anymore, I=99d
=0Alove to see them as I don=99t have many with me piloting.=C2- Yo
u can=0Aemail me offline at douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net =0A=C2- =0ALet me
know when you=99re at the airport and I=99ll=0Atry to fly over
, or we can meet up at Waynesville where she=99s stationed=0Afor the
next two weeks. =0A=C2- =0ACongrats Dan and Jeff on the sale and the purc
hase of a=0Agreat plane!! =0A=C2- =0ADouwe =0A=C2- =0APs.=C2- Weather
looks good for thurs or fri so I=99m=0Agoing to try to fly one or bo
th of those days.=C2- If anyone is around the=0AWaynesville area let
==
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Missing Conversation... |
At 08:42 PM 11/3/2012 Saturday, you wrote:
>
>As an example, in this thread it is clear that Ray is responding to a comment
that Gary made in reference to Douwe's most recent report.
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=93484&sid=050cc831f5c323faf06269b797dca07c
>
>But there is no sign of Gary's comment on Douwe's thread...
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=93478
Piet'rs,
I had a look into this this morning. Seems that there was some formatting or encoding
in Gary's message that the Forum importer didn't like and bombed out on.
I took the original message and clean up some of the headers and then resubmitted
it to the Fourm importer and it worked as expected:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=93484
I'm not sure exactly what's causing the importer to crap out. But I'll keep looking.
Don't forget that you can always catch up on the threaded messages using the List
Browse feature, too:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/pietenpol-list/index.html
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forums Admin
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | A cold fall flight... |
Douwe, You are not too far from me are you.=C2- Waynesville and s/w ohio
is only about an hours flight for me.=C2- I will have to make sure to let
you know when I have the next Ohio Piet Gathering.
=C2-
Shad
--- On Sat, 11/3/12, Jack Phillips wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A cold fall flight...
Date: Saturday, November 3, 2012, 6:14 PM
Nice writeup, Douwe.
=C2-
I find the same thing, after flying a long leg of a cross-country, I tend t
o land about 3=99 above the runway.=C2- I find it best to make a fu
ll pattern to get some turns in to sort of get the feel of the airplane bac
k.=C2- Worst is if I make a straight-in approach.=C2- I need to make at
least one turn, to have any chance at a decent landing.
=C2-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
=C2-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A cold fall flight...
=C2-
Forecast said this would be a cool, cloudy but very still day.=C2- Got to
the airport at 11:00am, it was about 40 degrees.=C2- I was interested in
how cold it would feel, and excited because this would be my first chance
to use the WWII vintage leather flying coveralls I purchased years ago Chri
s Bobka during the building/dreaming stage.
=C2-
Fueled up with twelve gallons of 100ll.=C2- Suit felt great, clearly desi
gned for sitting, though it was hard to get my harness on.=C2- Earplugs i
n, leather helmet on, goggles on (I need these with my windscreens or else
my eyes water all the time and burn the next day).=C2- Pointed her nose d
own the runway (not into the wind, as there wasn=99t any) and took of
into a leaden sky for a later morning patrol.=C2-
=C2-
The C-90/Cloud Car prop combo turns up about 2475 on climbout, though I kep
t the nose down to keep the engine cool as she=99s still breaking in.
=C2- Turned away to find the local lake while I climbed to 3,000.=C2- P
roceeded to explore both power on and power off stalls.=C2- I can feel ab
solutely NO buffet before either.=C2- I=99m trying to train myself
to feel when she=99s on the edge, but the best I can come up with is
a mushy feel on the elevators.=C2- If I didn=99t have earplugs, I
=99m sure the sounds would be a giveaway as well.=C2- She stalls st
raight ahead power on and power off.=C2-
=C2-
After I played around with that for a while, I decided to see if my refurbi
shed Garmin 196 was working so I flew over to Lebanon/Warren County, led me
right there.=C2- Overflew it and decided now was as good a time as ever
to try an asphalt landing, so got into the pattern and did one fly by down
the runway to get a feel for it.=C2- Set up again and everything went rea
lly well, three-pointed it on and she stayed nice and straight.=C2- I lik
e the bungees being pretty firm, she just seems to squat onto the pavement.
=C2- As I gave her the gas to go around, I noticed a guy running out with
a camera so gave him some smoke, knowing I=9Dd have to clean her up
later because I=99ve not installed the longer downpipes on my exhaust
, but what the heck! I remember being that guy for most of my life!!
Did another nice landing and headed home.
=C2-
Approaching the field I saw about a half dozen parachutes over the field so
I flew right through them with smoke going NO, JUST KIDDING
I peeled off and hung out of range =98til the last one landed the
n came in for a landing.=C2- However, by now, it=99s been almost an
hour and I guess I=99m colder than I thought (my teeth were almost c
hattering) and I plunked her down from too high.=C2- Guess I was in some
sort of cold stupor or something.=C2- Ticked me off so I went around and
did it twice more, both of them nice.=C2- Good lesson to learn, that you
can get kind of numb when it=99s cold, or after a long flight.
=C2-
First raindrops started to fall as I taxied to the hangar.=C2- Went to Mc
donalds and got some coffee and drove home.
=C2-
God is good!
=C2-
Keep building, it=99s worth it!!!
=C2-
Douwe
=C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2-www.buildersbooks.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator
?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com =C2-
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Missing Conversation... |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Thanks Matt! I've noticed that this has occurred several times in the past weeks/months
where I see comments on a topic that are in response to a post that
isn't available on the web. Sometimes the original post is included in the reply
and I can catch up that way, but often it's not, which leads me to believe
that some of us are missing parts of conversations that we didn't even know occurred.
Are there any pointers you can give us on proper formatting that might help, or
is it just the way that certain some clients are handling outgoing messages,
and perhaps out of the users control?
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386746#386746
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Missing Conversation... |
Actually, yes, there is some configuration that users can do to grease the process.
Most email clients allow you to configure the type of encoding that is used
when sending the messages. Two of the most common are "Plain-Text" and "HTML".
These days, by default, most clients will send BOTH a Plain-Text and an
HTML version of the message within the body. MIME is used to wrap these two
versions up and the receiving client picks which version it wants to view.
When posting messages to the Lists and Forums, its always better, faster, and more
reliable to send JUST the Plain-Text version. Generally you can go into your
email client and select how Sent messages are encoded. Select just "Plain-Text".
This will make posts the Lists and Forums a LOT cleaner and work much
more smoothly.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Admin
At 10:47 AM 11/4/2012 Sunday, you wrote:
>
>Thanks Matt! I've noticed that this has occurred several times in the past weeks/months
where I see comments on a topic that are in response to a post that
isn't available on the web. Sometimes the original post is included in the reply
and I can catch up that way, but often it's not, which leads me to believe
that some of us are missing parts of conversations that we didn't even know
occurred.
>
>Are there any pointers you can give us on proper formatting that might help, or
is it just the way that certain some clients are handling outgoing messages,
and perhaps out of the users control?
>
>--------
>Mark Chouinard
>Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | First engine run today! NX898H |
OK=2C got grief for not posting photos=2C so here is a video shot today of
first engine run. Brett Phillips came and helped out=2C and after chasing
initial water and fuel leaks=2C we got it running and put nearly an hour on
it off and on. Ran it to full power briefly a couple of times=2C can't wa
it to get the fish scale=2C I think it'll break it! LOL Finalize a few eng
ine items=2C trim a few areas of the cowling=2C and all is ready to paint a
nd install. Wing is almost ready to shoot silver=2C then color. Planning
on first flight as soon as the weather warms up in the spring. Brodhead FO
R SURE this year=2C Jack and Matt=2C get ready . . . Douwe=2C we'll meet yo
u on the way. Now we need to get Brett to get to work on his airpland and
have a REAL squadron headed west! Gene Rambo Here is the link to youtube: h
ttp://youtu.be/9MB3W6QpkLE
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | First engine run today! NX898H |
I'll be damned! Black & yellow.I had no idea! Sounds great, Gene!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 12:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First engine run today! NX898H
OK, got grief for not posting photos, so here is a video shot today of first
engine run. Brett Phillips came and helped out, and after chasing initial
water and fuel leaks, we got it running and put nearly an hour on it off and
on. Ran it to full power briefly a couple of times, can't wait to get the
fish scale, I think it'll break it! LOL
Finalize a few engine items, trim a few areas of the cowling, and all is
ready to paint and install. Wing is almost ready to shoot silver, then
color. Planning on first flight as soon as the weather warms up in the
spring. Brodhead FOR SURE this year, Jack and Matt, get ready . . . Douwe,
we'll meet you on the way. Now we need to get Brett to get to work on his
airpland and have a REAL squadron headed west!
Gene Rambo
Here is the link to youtube:
http://youtu.be/9MB3W6QpkLE
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | First engine run today! NX898H |
why? Is there already a black and yellow one out there?? Gene
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First engine run today! NX898H
Date: Sun=2C 4 Nov 2012 13:08:01 -0800
I=92ll be damned! Black & yellow=85I had no idea! Sounds great=2C Gene!! Ga
ry BootheNX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:ow
ner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Sunday=2C November 04=2C 2012 12:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First engine run today! NX898H OK=2C got grief for
not posting photos=2C so here is a video shot today of first engine run.
Brett Phillips came and helped out=2C and after chasing initial water and f
uel leaks=2C we got it running and put nearly an hour on it off and on. Ra
n it to full power briefly a couple of times=2C can't wait to get the fish
scale=2C I think it'll break it! LOL
Finalize a few engine items=2C trim a few areas of the cowling=2C and all i
s ready to paint and install. Wing is almost ready to shoot silver=2C then
color. Planning on first flight as soon as the weather warms up in the sp
ring. Brodhead FOR SURE this year=2C Jack and Matt=2C get ready . . . Douw
e=2C we'll meet you on the way. Now we need to get Brett to get to work on
his airpland and have a REAL squadron headed west!
Gene Rambo
Here is the link to youtube:
http://youtu.be/9MB3W6QpkLE
www.aeroelectric.comwww.buildersbooks.comwww.homebuilthelp.comhttp://www
.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Lis
thttp://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | First engine run today! NX898H |
Looks good! Sounds good! I'll bet she'll FLY good!
I'll be ready to fly to Brodhead in the Virginia Squadron next year.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First engine run today! NX898H
OK, got grief for not posting photos, so here is a video shot today of first
engine run. Brett Phillips came and helped out, and after chasing initial
water and fuel leaks, we got it running and put nearly an hour on it off and
on. Ran it to full power briefly a couple of times, can't wait to get the
fish scale, I think it'll break it! LOL
Finalize a few engine items, trim a few areas of the cowling, and all is
ready to paint and install. Wing is almost ready to shoot silver, then
color. Planning on first flight as soon as the weather warms up in the
spring. Brodhead FOR SURE this year, Jack and Matt, get ready . . . Douwe,
we'll meet you on the way. Now we need to get Brett to get to work on his
airpland and have a REAL squadron headed west!
Gene Rambo
Here is the link to youtube:
http://youtu.be/9MB3W6QpkLE
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: First engine run today! NX898H |
Gene,
lookin good soundin good!
John
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | A good day building |
Tried out my new powder coat oven, you have to watch the heat close. Works
great for the longer parts.
Jack Textor
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| Subject: | Re: First engine run today! NX898H |
| From: | "FandS_Piet" <fkim79(at)gmail.com> |
Gene,
Looks great. Do you recall the size of your wheels. Particularly the width?
Also did you use the Frank Pavliga method to shave your tires? A chainsaw?
--------
Fred Kim
Pittsburgh, Pa
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| From: | "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A good day building |
Jack, great looking parts and nice oven. I've had my control horns and cabane
fittings powder coated at a local coating company and it wasn't cheap! I'd love
to do the rest of my parts on my own. Can you give us the Readers Digest condensed
version of your set-up for the oven as well as the application of the
powder coating material?
Scott Knowlton
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 00:24:26
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A good day building
Tried out my new powder coat oven, you have to watch the heat close. Works great
for the longer parts.
<<...>> <<...>>
Jack Textor
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | A good day building |
Very cool, Jack!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 4:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A good day building
Tried out my new powder coat oven, you have to watch the heat close. Works
great for the longer parts.
<<...>> <<...>>
Jack Textor
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | First engine run today! NX898H |
Nope.not that I recall. ;-)
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First engine run today! NX898H
why? Is there already a black and yellow one out there??
Gene
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From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First engine run today! NX898H
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:08:01 -0800
I'll be damned! Black & yellow.I had no idea! Sounds great, Gene!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 12:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First engine run today! NX898H
OK, got grief for not posting photos, so here is a video shot today of first
engine run. Brett Phillips came and helped out, and after chasing initial
water and fuel leaks, we got it running and put nearly an hour on it off and
on. Ran it to full power briefly a couple of times, can't wait to get the
fish scale, I think it'll break it! LOL
Finalize a few engine items, trim a few areas of the cowling, and all is
ready to paint and install. Wing is almost ready to shoot silver, then
color. Planning on first flight as soon as the weather warms up in the
spring. Brodhead FOR SURE this year, Jack and Matt, get ready . . . Douwe,
we'll meet you on the way. Now we need to get Brett to get to work on his
airpland and have a REAL squadron headed west!
Gene Rambo
Here is the link to youtube:
http://youtu.be/9MB3W6QpkLE
www.aeroelectric.com
www.buildersbooks.com
www.homebuilthelp.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
_blank">www.aeroelectric.com
" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: A good day building |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
When I remodeled our kitchen, the old oven went out to the garage and is now used
for powder coating small parts. Even did my Corvair block in it. Works just
dandy. Got the powder from Eastman as they have an excellent selection of colors.
Sears cheepie powder gun. Voila.
Now those long parts are a different story.... Will be interested in what Jack
did as well.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: First engine run today! NX898H |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Me either. Someone would have to be pretty mean to steal my paint scheme!
Gene
Gene Rambo
On Nov 4, 2012, at 8:26 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
> Nopenot that I recall. ;-)
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 1:15 PM
> To: pietenpol-list
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First engine run today! NX898H
>
> why? Is there already a black and yellow one out there??
>
> Gene
>
> From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First engine run today! NX898H
> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:08:01 -0800
>
> I=99ll be damned! Black & yellowI had no idea! Sounds great
, Gene!!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 12:50 PM
> To: pietenpol-list
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: First engine run today! NX898H
>
> OK, got grief for not posting photos, so here is a video shot today of fir
st engine run. Brett Phillips came and helped out, and after chasing initia
l water and fuel leaks, we got it running and put nearly an hour on it off a
nd on. Ran it to full power briefly a couple of times, can't wait to get th
e fish scale, I think it'll break it! LOL
>
> Finalize a few engine items, trim a few areas of the cowling, and all is r
eady to paint and install. Wing is almost ready to shoot silver, then color
. Planning on first flight as soon as the weather warms up in the spring. B
rodhead FOR SURE this year, Jack and Matt, get ready . . . Douwe, we'll meet
you on the way. Now we need to get Brett to get to work on his airpland an
d have a REAL squadron headed west!
>
> Gene Rambo
>
> Here is the link to youtube:
>
> http://youtu.be/9MB3W6QpkLE
>
>
>
> www.aeroelectric.com
> www.buildersbooks.com
> www.homebuilthelp.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>
> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com
> " target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>
> www.aeroelectric.com
> www.buildersbooks.com
> www.homebuilthelp.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First engine run today! NX898H |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Good stuff Gene! All you guys finishing up are really keeping others motivated.
Not that the many already flying examples aren't inspirational, but to see
projects being finished up and making their first flights... wow!
Hats off to all of you who continue to demonstrate that perseverance pays!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
Well, I managed to get a couple of flights in today. One this morning and a
nice short sunset flight. It was a beautiful evening. Took off and climbed
to 1000agl so I could cruise around over the town and then when out over th
e farm fields. I did a nice hard slip to get me low, and enjoyed what Piete
npol flying is all about. I returned to the airport and did two nice wheel
landings to end the day. I'm now at 22.6 hours of flight time, and I'm exci
ted to get the remainder of my forty hours in so I can share the experience w
ith my wife, father and daughter.
Mike Groah
Tulare California
414MV
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