Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-lo
November 08, 2012 - November 26, 2012
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Of the several Piets I have flown, no two fly alike. Similar yes but not
the same. They don't stall quite the same either. Some give
notice, others don't before a stall. The amount of dihedral, (or none) th
e accuracy of the rigging and wing washout (or no washout), engine type, fu
selage length,
metal or wood prop, aileron gap sealing effectiveness and CG all make them
unique. Even if you go from one J-3 to another you'll find that one may fl
y and stall much more nicely than another.
It sure is nice to wind these guys up though just by asking "so you flew in
the Navy?" Bill Rewey flew in the Navy too. TBM's and F4-U Corsairs bu
t you'd have to actually corner him
for him to talk about it.
Mike C.
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| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
I'm curious about real life experience of variations in dihedral,
washout, etc. Right now, I've dialed in a half inch of dihedral and
one degree of washout. I'm wondering if those are enough, not enough,
too much. Among those of you with experience in more than one Piet,
are there real world impressions based on these variables?
Ken
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] wrote:
> Of the several Piets I have flown, no two fly alike. Similar yes but not
> the same. They dont stall quite the same either. Some give
>
> notice, others dont before a stall. The amount of dihedral, (or none) the
> accuracy of the rigging and wing washout (or no washout), engine type,
> fuselage length,
>
> metal or wood prop, aileron gap sealing effectiveness and CG all make them
> unique. Even if you go from one J-3 to another youll find that one may fly
> and stall much more nicely than another.
>
>
> It sure is nice to wind these guys up though just by asking so you flew in
> the Navy? Bill Rewey flew in the Navy too. TBMs and F4-U Corsairs but
> youd have to actually corner him
>
> for him to talk about it.
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
So did I, Mike. Flew Helldivers and subsequently Hell cats off the USS
Hancock in WW2. And I don't mind talking about it. At CC#21, John
Franklin cornered me and kept me up until almost midnight talking about
carrier flying -- The REAL straight deck carrier flying. I don't think
I would go for that bolter stuff. Man, when the LSO gave me a "cut"
that was it. You either landed safely, went into the barrier, or went
over the side. C
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 1:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: real life
Of the several Piets I have flown, no two fly alike. Similar yes but
not the same. They don't stall quite the same either. Some give
notice, others don't before a stall. The amount of dihedral, (or
none) the accuracy of the rigging and wing washout (or no washout),
engine type, fuselage length,
metal or wood prop, aileron gap sealing effectiveness and CG all make
them unique. Even if you go from one J-3 to another you'll find that
one may fly and stall much more nicely than another.
It sure is nice to wind these guys up though just by asking "so you
flew in the Navy?" Bill Rewey flew in the Navy too. TBM's and F4-U
Corsairs but you'd have to actually corner him
for him to talk about it.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Wing Rotator sketch |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
I been asked offline to supply plans for my wing rotator, so here is a drawing
for the stands.
I will get together a sketch for the mount that attaches the inboard mount to the
rotator.....
For the outboard side, i drilled a 9/32 hole In the center of the end bow. The
rotator part is a 3/8-16 bolt 2.5" long with a 1/4-20 hole tapped in the head.
There i screwed in a 1/4-20 bolt about 3" long with the head cut off. I screwed
it into the tapped hole until bottomed out then cut the head off. this stud
will then go into the end bow hole and just freely rotate. be careful to check
every now and then that the wing is not slipping off the stud. This is not my
design, it was shown by someone on the forum a couple years ago.....
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Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings to be covered next.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Rotator sketch |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Chris,
Could you post some close up photos of the assembly? A picture goes a long way
with me.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Rotator sketch |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Chris, great timing. I just started building a wing rotator this past
weekend. One thing I'm doing that might be useful. I'm designing
mine so that the bolt that goes through the wing bow has an eyelet on
the inboard side, with a strong string attached. That way when I'm
done, I can pull the bolt out of the wing, after which I'll plug the
hole with a wooden dowel and cover with a fabric patch. Ken
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Chris Rusch wrote:
>
> I been asked offline to supply plans for my wing rotator, so here is a drawing
for the stands.
> I will get together a sketch for the mount that attaches the inboard mount to
the rotator.....
> For the outboard side, i drilled a 9/32 hole In the center of the end bow. The
rotator part is a 3/8-16 bolt 2.5" long with a 1/4-20 hole tapped in the head.
There i screwed in a 1/4-20 bolt about 3" long with the head cut off. I screwed
it into the tapped hole until bottomed out then cut the head off. this stud
will then go into the end bow hole and just freely rotate. be careful to check
every now and then that the wing is not slipping off the stud. This is not
my design, it was shown by someone on the forum a couple years ago.....
>
> --------
> NX321LR
> Fully Assembled
> Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
> Wings to be covered next.
> Mitsubishi Powered
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387324#387324
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing_rotator_132.pdf
>
>
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | anyone nera St Paul, MN |
Brought RE-PIET back to our home base today, so it's now only a 15 minute
drive to fly rather than a 1.5 hr drive, yeah!!
I have a very good friend and fellow builder up in Canada who is moving to
the states and wants to purchase a set of tailwheel conversion parts for a
150 which are located near St. Paul, MN. He would like to find someone who
might be willing to make sure all the parts are there, do the deal in person
and ship them to him as he just got burned on another deal. I told him I
knew a few of you guys were up there and someone might be willing to help.
He is willing to pay for gas and time
Douwe
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: anyone nera St Paul, MN |
Hi Douwe
I can do that for him , have him call me at 612-805-1742
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 3:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: anyone nera St Paul, MN
Brought RE-PIET back to our home base today, so it's now only a 15
minute drive to fly rather than a 1.5 hr drive, yeah!!
I have a very good friend and fellow builder up in Canada who is
moving to the states and wants to purchase a set of tailwheel conversion
parts for a 150 which are located near St. Paul, MN. He would like to
find someone who might be willing to make sure all the parts are there,
do the deal in person and ship them to him as he just got burned on
another deal. I told him I knew a few of you guys were up there and
someone might be willing to help. He is willing to pay for gas and time
Douwe
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Very interesting topic. I think we all need to go out and spin our Pietenpol's
and GN-1's ASAP....so we can all compare notes...
p.s. I got high during an emergency in the DC-10 sim back in '95 ... sideslipped
it in, like you would in a Stearman or an Aeronca. I was half expecting the
instructor to say something, but he seemed to accept it, given the fact that we
were on fire. Not so realistic on the visuals in that old machine, but it got
the job done. I agree that simulators are not quite like the real machine. They
are really "procedures trainers".
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Ken: the numbers that you've quoted will work just fine. There are Piets flying
with essentially NO washout or dihedral (dead-flat, dead-straight wing). There
are others that are rigged as the Pietenpol family's notes suggest (if you
don't have the Pietenpol family's plans and notes, buy them), and there are others
that are rigged somewhere inbetween or beyond. I have only flown one Piet
-Scout- so I can't offer comparisons. Scout has a dihedral of roughly 3" from
wing root to wing tip and essentially NO washout.
About the dihedral, classical aerodynamics textbooks will tell you that a little
dihedral goes a long way towards providing stability in roll. Since I've never
flown a Piet with zero dihedral, I can't confirm the validity of that statement,
but if you search the archives you'll find that people have said that they
don't find that zero dihedral leads to instability or divergence in roll.
I think my airplane has a bit too much, but that's based on aesthetics... I prefer
the look of a straight line leading edge from wingtip to wingtip.
About the washout, the intent is to have the wing stall progressively from root
to tip so that the airplane doesn't fall off on a wing in a stall. My airplane
has no apparent washout and it doesn't ever seem to want to fall off to one
side or the other in a stall. Still, it is quite easy to dial in washout on
a Piet wing if it's set up with conventional threaded forks on the lower ends
of the lift struts. If you pick a consistent spot on the wing to check the angle
of incidence and then use a standard "angle finder" mounted to a lath or piece
of wood that you hold up to the bottom of the wing between the spars, you
can set whatever amount of washout you want by screwing the strut attachment
forks in or out as desired. Set the angle finder at the wing root, then out at
the last rib, and the difference is your washout angle. Easier with two or
three people and some patience ;o) Oh, and make sure the wing strut X-brace wires
are loose or slack when you're doing this... they only get tightened after
you're done monkeying around with the adjustments.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
My Piet wing is a Hershey bar, flat as a board, no dihedral or wash-anythin
g. Flies fine and stall is gentle.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:38 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: real life
Ken: the numbers that you've quoted will work just fine. There are Piets f
lying
with essentially NO washout or dihedral (dead-flat, dead-straight wing). T
here
are others that are rigged as the Pietenpol family's notes suggest (if you
don't
have the Pietenpol family's plans and notes, buy them), and there are other
s
that are rigged somewhere inbetween or beyond. I have only flown one Piet
-Scout- so I can't offer comparisons. Scout has a dihedral of roughly 3" f
rom
wing root to wing tip and essentially NO washout.
About the dihedral, classical aerodynamics textbooks will tell you that a l
ittle
dihedral goes a long way towards providing stability in roll. Since I've n
ever
flown a Piet with zero dihedral, I can't confirm the validity of that state
ment,
but if you search the archives you'll find that people have said that they
don't
find that zero dihedral leads to instability or divergence in roll. I thin
k my
airplane has a bit too much, but that's based on aesthetics... I prefer the
look
of a straight line leading edge from wingtip to wingtip.
About the washout, the intent is to have the wing stall progressively from
root
to tip so that the airplane doesn't fall off on a wing in a stall. My airp
lane
has no apparent washout and it doesn't ever seem to want to fall off to one
side
or the other in a stall. Still, it is quite easy to dial in washout on a P
iet
wing if it's set up with conventional threaded forks on the lower ends of t
he
lift struts. If you pick a consistent spot on the wing to check the angle
of
incidence and then use a standard "angle finder" mounted to a lath or piece
of
wood that you hold up to the bottom of the wing between the spars, you can
set
whatever amount of washout you want by screwing the strut attachment forks
in or
out as desired. Set the angle finder at the wing root, then out at the las
t
rib, and the difference is your washout angle. Easier with two or three pe
ople
and some patience ;o) Oh, and make sure the wing strut X-brace wires are l
oose
or slack when you're doing this... th!
ey only get tightened after you're done monkeying around with the adjustme
nts.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Ken, all-- My Pietenpol wing is rigged to have 3/8" washout at the aft end
of the 3rd rib in from the end of each wing. Much like a J-3's
washout or Aeronca Champ's washout are set at. My ailerons were rigged to
each have about 3/16" to a 1/4" droop on the ground with
stick neutral. The older IA's at my field who helped me said this practic
e was commonplace on Cubs to DC-3's and the idea is that during
level cruise the airflow over the wings pushes the ailerons up to the neutr
al position taking out the bit of normal play in the aileron cable system.
I believe my dihedral is about an inch at the wingtips.
What I've found on my Piet is that an improperly rigged (twisted) horizonta
l stabilizer can make you think you have a wing (roll tendency) rigging
issue. You can even have one elevator rigged a little higher or lower tha
n the other and it makes like a wing issue so sorting these things out
in your flight test period is helpful in whiling away the hours in your pra
ctice area.
My Uncle Tony Bingelis has some excellent passages about rigging and flight
testing our airplanes to get them to fly as hands-off and cleanly
(there's a word you don't hear too often associated with Pietenpols) as pos
sible and this relates to gentle and straightforward stalling characteristi
cs
as well.
The Piets I have flown with no dihedral fly just great but for hands off, f
olding charts, reaching down for wayward sunglasses on the cockpit
floor in flight kind of times the ones with a little dihedral don't wander
as much in roll.
Mike C.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
John - are you out there? Does anyone have contact info for John?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: John Dilatush |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Gary,
Call me when you get a chance. I have John's contact info I can share with
you off list.
Sadly, John has given up flying due to age related health issues. I recall
he learned to fly in 1947.
Greg Bacon
573-489-4795
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Gary Boothe wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Rotator sketch |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
I just added the wing adapter drawing.
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Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings to be covered next.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Rotator sketch |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Chris, I'm not seeing an attachment. Cheers, Ken
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Chris Rusch wrote:
>
> I just added the wing adapter drawing.
>
> --------
> NX321LR
> Fully Assembled
> Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
> Wings to be covered next.
> Mitsubishi Powered
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387383#387383
>
>
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Headsets |
I am=C2- getting closer and would like to know what headsets people are u
sing in their Piets and are you happy with the headset?
I have the Flightech Intercom; ITC-401TC ENRI and intend to use it with eit
her the ICOM A14 or A24 radio.
Appreciate any comments.
Thanks,
Jim B.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Dihedral and washout |
Ken,
RE-PIET has zero dihedral, and no noticeable washout. The ailerons are
rigged so that when neutral, they each rest about =BD=94 above the
trailing edge
to give some =93false=94 washout. I have no idea if it works, but she
flies
quite nicely and stalls EXTREMELY gently with zero tendency to fall off
either way. She=92s pretty neutral in a turn, but in a sharpish turn,
she
will very gently want to tighten it up. Less than other Piets I=92ve
flown,
one of which was a bit scary, especially to the left=85
Added some extended =93downtubes=94 on my exhaust today to try to get
the smoke
away from the fuse/tail feathers. Got it off the fuse, but still
getting on
the underside of the horz stab. Don=92t know how far down I=92d have to
go to
make that stop. Guess I=92ll just keep extending until it stops and
make the
decision whether to go with that or just not use smoke very often and
clean
it up after each smoking session.
On the ferry flight back to my home base yesterday, just as the airport
hove
into view, my engine started to vibrate. I throttled back and it
smoothed
out, then the vibration started at the lower rpm. I was really nervous,
thinking my prop was falling off or my engine mount had broken. Trying
to
make a nice kosher entrance to the pattern, she really started to
vibrate so
I just took her down, sideslipped in and made a surprisingly good
landing on
the pavement for a frightened/frozen aviator with four asphalt landings
in
the Piet to his credit.
Shut her down, got out and fuel was dripping out of my carb and the
sides
were covered with black sooty exhaust. Some foreign object had jammed
the
float open and she was funning SUPER rich. Great excuse to uncowl her
today
and ck everything now that she=92s got five ours of flight time.
Checked all
the strainers, took the bowl off the carb and cleared it, checked
everything
else, ran her up and went for a lovely fifteen minute flight over my
house.
Found one loose prop bolt and the rest definitely needed torque-ing.
DON=92T
SKIMP ON CHECKING YOUR PROP BOLTS ON WOODEN PROPS REGULARLY AND OFTEN.
I
THINK 25 HRS ISN=92T ENOUGH, ESPECIALLY WITH A NEW PROP. My mechanic
did it
with me and showed me how to properly safety wire the prop bolts. I
must
have not done it just right so allow one to back out as it did.
Everything looked good in there, including the dozen or so un-safetied
hose
clamps=85
Douwe.
Ps. Does anyone have a good system for using gps when flying and yet
still
keeping track of their approximate position on a chart in the case gps
poops?
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Rotator sketch |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
I attached it to the original message....Its shows it there...
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NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings to be covered next.
Mitsubishi Powered
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dihedral and washout |
Douwe, I have never used a GPS -- never even seen one except for the
automobile variety. Well, my son is a marathoner and he has a gps in
his watch to tell him how far he has run in practice sessions. I'm just
a proponent of the old fashioned method of: draw a line on the
sectional chart and watch the ground as it rolls by. If all of a sudden
you see something that's not on the chart, start worrying. :>) (It
might just be an old chart!)
I think I'll stick to your method on the wing -- no dihedral and no
washout. Seems this thread went by some months ago. In fact, I don't
think I'll use any adjustment in the wing struts. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 2:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral and washout
Ken,
RE-PIET has zero dihedral, and no noticeable washout. The ailerons
are rigged so that when neutral, they each rest about =BD" above the
trailing edge to give some "false" washout. I have no idea if it works,
but she flies quite nicely and stalls EXTREMELY gently with zero
tendency to fall off either way. She's pretty neutral in a turn, but in
a sharpish turn, she will very gently want to tighten it up. Less than
other Piets I've flown, one of which was a bit scary, especially to the
left.
Added some extended "downtubes" on my exhaust today to try to get the
smoke away from the fuse/tail feathers. Got it off the fuse, but still
getting on the underside of the horz stab. Don't know how far down I'd
have to go to make that stop. Guess I'll just keep extending until it
stops and make the decision whether to go with that or just not use
smoke very often and clean it up after each smoking session.
On the ferry flight back to my home base yesterday, just as the
airport hove into view, my engine started to vibrate. I throttled back
and it smoothed out, then the vibration started at the lower rpm. I was
really nervous, thinking my prop was falling off or my engine mount had
broken. Trying to make a nice kosher entrance to the pattern, she
really started to vibrate so I just took her down, sideslipped in and
made a surprisingly good landing on the pavement for a frightened/frozen
aviator with four asphalt landings in the Piet to his credit.
Shut her down, got out and fuel was dripping out of my carb and the
sides were covered with black sooty exhaust. Some foreign object had
jammed the float open and she was funning SUPER rich. Great excuse to
uncowl her today and ck everything now that she's got five ours of
flight time. Checked all the strainers, took the bowl off the carb and
cleared it, checked everything else, ran her up and went for a lovely
fifteen minute flight over my house.
Found one loose prop bolt and the rest definitely needed torque-ing.
DON'T SKIMP ON CHECKING YOUR PROP BOLTS ON WOODEN PROPS REGULARLY AND
OFTEN. I THINK 25 HRS ISN'T ENOUGH, ESPECIALLY WITH A NEW PROP. My
mechanic did it with me and showed me how to properly safety wire the
prop bolts. I must have not done it just right so allow one to back out
as it did.
Everything looked good in there, including the dozen or so un-safetied
hose clamps.
Douwe.
Ps. Does anyone have a good system for using gps when flying and yet
still keeping track of their approximate position on a chart in the case
gps poops?
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| Subject: | Re: Dihedral and washout |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
I would still vote for carburetor ice.
Gene Rambo
On Nov 9, 2012, at 2:39 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" w
rote:
> Ken,
>
> RE-PIET has zero dihedral, and no noticeable washout. The ailerons are ri
gged so that when neutral, they each rest about =C2=BD=9D above the tr
ailing edge to give some =9Cfalse=9D washout. I have no idea if
it works, but she flies quite nicely and stalls EXTREMELY gently with zero t
endency to fall off either way. She=99s pretty neutral in a turn, but
in a sharpish turn, she will very gently want to tighten it up. Less than o
ther Piets I=99ve flown, one of which was a bit scary, especially to t
he left
>
> Added some extended =9Cdowntubes=9D on my exhaust today to try
to get the smoke away from the fuse/tail feathers. Got it off the fuse, bu
t still getting on the underside of the horz stab. Don=99t know how f
ar down I=99d have to go to make that stop. Guess I=99ll just k
eep extending until it stops and make the decision whether to go with that o
r just not use smoke very often and clean it up after each smoking session.
>
> On the ferry flight back to my home base yesterday, just as the airport ho
ve into view, my engine started to vibrate. I throttled back and it smoothe
d out, then the vibration started at the lower rpm. I was really nervous, t
hinking my prop was falling off or my engine mount had broken. Trying to ma
ke a nice kosher entrance to the pattern, she really started to vibrate so I
just took her down, sideslipped in and made a surprisingly good landing on t
he pavement for a frightened/frozen aviator with four asphalt landings in th
e Piet to his credit.
>
> Shut her down, got out and fuel was dripping out of my carb and the sides w
ere covered with black sooty exhaust. Some foreign object had jammed the fl
oat open and she was funning SUPER rich. Great excuse to uncowl her today a
nd ck everything now that she=99s got five ours of flight time. Check
ed all the strainers, took the bowl off the carb and cleared it, checked eve
rything else, ran her up and went for a lovely fifteen minute flight over my
house.
>
> Found one loose prop bolt and the rest definitely needed torque-ing. DON
=99T SKIMP ON CHECKING YOUR PROP BOLTS ON WOODEN PROPS REGULARLY AND O
FTEN. I THINK 25 HRS ISN=99T ENOUGH, ESPECIALLY WITH A NEW PROP. My m
echanic did it with me and showed me how to properly safety wire the prop bo
lts. I must have not done it just right so allow one to back out as it did.
>
> Everything looked good in there, including the dozen or so un-safetied hos
e clamps
>
> Douwe.
>
> Ps. Does anyone have a good system for using gps when flying and yet stil
l keeping track of their approximate position on a chart in the case gps po
ops?
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Dihedral and washout |
Douwe,
The macho stance is to just fly your Pietenpol with the technology that
Bernard had available - chart and compass. While it can certainly be done
that way (I flew a J-3 Cub from Tennessee to Texas using just that), it is
foolish to turn your back on anything that can make flying safer. GPS is a
wonderful tool for increasing your situational awareness, and therefore
increasing safety. Just don't allow yourself to get too dependent on it -
they can and do fail.
I made a mount for my Garmin GPSMap 196 that attaches to the right upper
longeron so it is out of the way and easy to see. I then use a kneeboard
with a TripTik chart (a series of 5-1/2 x 8-1/2 portions of a sectional
chart with my course printed on them). I can just turn over each page as I
fly onto the next and can keep track of my progress in case the GPS goes
Tango Uniform. I use Aeroplanner software to generate the triptiks, but I
think there are several different companies out there that do the same
thing.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Where I very nearly wiped out a DiamondStar DA-40 this evening when 5 deer
ran across the runway as we were rolling out after landing. The last one
missed the prop by less than a foot and then went UNDER the right wingtip.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 2:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral and washout
Douwe.
Ps. Does anyone have a good system for using gps when flying and yet still
keeping track of their approximate position on a chart in the case gps
poops?
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| From: | "woodflier(at)aol.com" <woodflier(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: GPS and Charts |
I second Ja k Phillips on the belt and suspenders approach. Using a
sectional in a Piet cockpit requires some forethought. You need to fold it
before you fly so that you can sort of unroll it as you go. Trying to refold
one with all the wind in the cockpit is pretty impossible. The trip-tics
work great on a kneeboard.
But, if you have to divert for weather, like I did last summer flying to
Brodhead, you may end up flying off the trip-tics you prepared. I had an old
Garmin 90 as backup, and sectionals which I refolded for each new leg of the
trip. It worked ok and I was glad to have the GPS along. Good thing about it
was it used AA batteries and ran about 12 hours on 4 of them. Wish the
screen wasn't half shot.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I was wondering if I was the only one who had experienced the oil-mist mess. I
have only run my smoke system once, on the ground, and not in final configuration.
I ran it with baby oil and it made big, beautiful streams of smoke out
the starboard exhaust stack but then left a fine mist of baby oil on the side,
tail, and belly of the airplane and left the grass under the airplane well oiled
;o) I figured that in flight, the slipstream would take the smoke away quicker
but maybe there is just no way to avoid some oil if you're gonna smoke.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387514#387514
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
I've learned through experience to not run my smoke system on the ground -
it just messes up the airplane. If I do it in flight, I get a little oil on
the right landing gear, but that's about it.
I run used automatic transmission fluid in my smoke system. Smokes as well
as baby oil but considerably cheaper (it's free - just go to any transmision
shop and they are happy to give the stuff away). Just be sure to strain it
before pouring it in your tank - my system is clogged right now and I need
to pull it apart and clean out the junk. I forgot to strain it the last
time I re-filled it.
Beautiful day to fly today. I flew the Pietenpol over to New London,
looking for Matt Paxton, but missed him. 68 degrees, 50+ miles visibility,
glass smooth air and no wind. It just doesn't get any better than that in
November.
Then I took the RV-4 up and did some (for me) hard aerobatics - loops,
aileron rolls and hammerheads. Great little airplane. People are always
asking me which is my favorite, and I usually answer "whichever one I'm
flying at the moment".
Now back to work on building the house.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 12:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: smoke systems
I was wondering if I was the only one who had experienced the oil-mist mess.
I have only run my smoke system once, on the ground, and not in final
configuration. I ran it with baby oil and it made big, beautiful streams of
smoke out the starboard exhaust stack but then left a fine mist of baby oil
on the side, tail, and belly of the airplane and left the grass under the
airplane well oiled ;o) I figured that in flight, the slipstream would take
the smoke away quicker but maybe there is just no way to avoid some oil if
you're gonna smoke.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387514#387514
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| Subject: | Re: smoke systems |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jack; the baby oil was just for my trial run because it was easy to get and handy.
After you posted about the transmission fluid sometime ago, I inquired at
the place where I used to work (they do automotive research) and was rewarded
with a 5 gallon container of fresh transmission fluid. They draw test samples
from the batch and the rest gets recycled. I will recycle it through my smoke
system ;o) Thanks for reminding me what that container of oil was for.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387518#387518
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| From: | "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
| Subject: | GN1 Tail Wheel/Tail Post |
Hi Guys,
I am still awaiting delivery of my GN1 plans but have been making progress
on the tail post repair on the Piet.
Does anyone have a copy (scanned or otherwise) of the plan of tail post area
on the GN1 fuselage? I need to position the bracing wire bracket and the
tailwheel attach bolt.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://repiet.cpc-world.com
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| Subject: | Re: GN1 Tail Wheel/Tail Post |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Just emailed you Peter!
Scotty
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Tail and Ribs built...Building control system and about to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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| Subject: | Fish Scale results |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
The silence is deafening.........
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Fish Scale results |
Here is what happens when you straighten out the hooks on a spring scale!
Gene Rambo
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| From: | Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fish Scale results |
I flew 6186L. =0AWe had an indian summer yesterday in toledo.-- sorry n
o pictures.. but here is my cloudahoy flight.- Altitudes from my Dual blu
etooth GPS are completely off for some reason.- Go figure.- =0A=0Ahttp:
//cloudahoy.com/cgi-bin/fltShare.cgi?share=1gSpbAhQ6tJmZDK0VAjbbr=0A=0A
=0ATailspring sprung off.- Couple fellas in the club walked the runway an
d found it.- Pietenpol is back in service.- Temp is okay.. but it was g
usting 30mph last time I checked.=0A=0ALater=0AAndy=0A6186L=0A=0A=0A=0A____
____________________________=0A From: "helspersew(at)aol.com" <helspersew(at)aol.
com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, November 11, 2012
2:46 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale results=0A =0A=0AThe silence
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Got some new shots which I thought I'd share, just in case everybody hasn't
seen or heard enough from me already...
Thanks Bob the beautiful flying shot!
Fashioning cooling eyebrows this week... You guys were right.
Douwe
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Oscar,
If you're getting unburned oil on your plane, I wonder if the orifice is a
bit too large and letting more oil in than gets burned, OR running the
system at higher rpms might give you a more complete burn.
Douwe
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | aluminum for eyebrows |
Jack and all who used dead soft aluminum 5052.
Where did you get it?? ACS only carries =BC hard
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Fish Scale results |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
OMG Gene did it get the prop? I'm so sorry!
Jack
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 11, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:
>
> Here is what happens when you straighten out the hooks on a spring scale!
>
> Gene Rambo
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale results
> From: helspersew(at)aol.com
> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 14:46:14 -0500
>
> The silence is deafening.........
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: tenpol-List: |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Awesome shots Douwe! Love that pose!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2012 3:47 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List:
Got some new shots which I thought I'd share, just in case everybody hasn't
seen or heard enough from me already...
Thanks Bob the beautiful flying shot!
Fashioning cooling eyebrows this week... You guys were right.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: aluminum for eyebrows |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Douwe: not trying to distract you from your appointed rounds, just taking this
opportunity to post an update having to do with the cooling eyebrows on my A75,
here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/eyebrows.html
Also to say that in moving all my stuff to the new hangar, I came across the poster-board
templates that Corky used to make the eyebrows on 41CC, lo, these many
years ago. I can mail them out to anyone who might want them; reply offline.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | aluminum for eyebrows |
Douwe,
I first used dead soft 3003. after those cracked numerous times, I went
to
=BC hard 5052, which doesn=92t look as nice but has held up much better.
I got
all my material from ACS.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 4:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: aluminum for eyebrows
Jack and all who used dead soft aluminum 5052.
Where did you get it?? ACS only carries =BC hard
Douwe
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | eyebrow template |
Oscar, thanks for the offer!
I was just leaving with template material this morning to start.
I think you're won't work because I am going to have to devise something
tricky to mount them to the engine without having to cut my cowling, which I
don't want to do.
I didn't get an attachment to Gene's post about straightening fish scales.
what happened??
Douwe
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Fish Scale results |
Speaking of fish.something smells fishy, here! I think the static pull test
went just fine, and Gene is emptying all the water from his radiator for
disassembly.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 12:26 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale results
Here is what happens when you straighten out the hooks on a spring scale!
Gene Rambo
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale results
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 14:46:14 -0500
The silence is deafening.........
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | composite cooling eyebrows |
Any reason one couldn't make cooling eyebrows out of carbon fiber and use
steel brackets for attaching to the hot surfaces? Isn't carbon fiber
significantly more resistant to cracking or am I wrong here?
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: composite cooling eyebrows |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Bernie didn't use it!
Gene Rambo
On Nov 12, 2012, at 10:30 AM, "Douwe Blumberg"
wrote:
> Any reason one couldn=99t make cooling eyebrows out of carbon fiber a
nd use steel brackets for attaching to the hot surfaces? Isn=99t carb
on fiber significantly more resistant to cracking or am I wrong here?
>
> Douwe
>
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| Subject: | Hey Veterans: Thanks!! |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Today we pause in the USA to remember and thank our veterans of the services.
Many of you paid with years of your life. Thanks.
Some of you paid with scars you still carry, both on the outside, and on the inside.
Many thanks.
You are the remnant of what has made this country great.
God bless you today, and for the holiday season to come.
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | a little slow on reporting |
I recently had a road trip out to the Western part of the state for an
interview, in so doing I had made arrangements to meet up with Fred Kim one of
our newer builders. I got a chance to take a look at his project. Fred is
building with his Dad and they have a great project on the bench and making
serious progress. They've been at it since January 2012 and have a great
looking fuse on the bench.
During the drive out I almost thought we were on our way to see Michael
Cuy, we went what seemed well past Pittsburgh and although Fred said
Pittsburgh it sure seemed like an Ohio trip.
We had a really nice time visiting and grabbed some dinner, Thanks Fred I
enjoyed the meeting, the shop tour and seeing the project, I hope next time
to meet the other half of the build team. Fred, you guys do a remarkable
job, I would encourage any in the area to get in touch with Fred and check
out his project. At the current rate of build you're not going to have much
time to do a shop visit, they'll be flying their Piet real soon, I'm certain
of that.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Hey Veterans: Thanks!! |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Greg,
Although I appreciate the offer, the problem is this-
most of us old veteran's don't have enough hair left to cut! [Wink]
But thanks for the heads up! (No pun intended).
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: eyebrow template |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Douwe;
It's always a good thing when you don't have to rework anything, especially if
you're already flying. In that case "you've gotta dance with who brung you".
As to the fish scale debacle, it was just Mr. Rambo playing with our emotions.
No harm, no foul.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | 3 Piece wing spars |
| From: | "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com> |
Could someone tell me the correct spar length on the Pietenpol 3 piece wing. My
drawings are saying the on the 3 piece each wing spar is 12' and the center section
is 29"? Is the 12' a misprint? The one piece wing is 14'5" each half for
total of 28'10" wing span vs 26'5" for the 3 piece? So just make the total 28'
10" with a 29" center section correct? And dis-guard the 12' measurement?
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| Subject: | Re: 3 Piece wing spars |
I just checked the copy of the plans that I keep on my computer (you
never know when you'll need to refer to 'em. The 'blue-line' version I
have here is a bit of photoshop so they'll look better as desktop
wallpaper.) The outer spars are 13' 2 1/2", and the center section is
29". That'll add up to 28'10".
Ken
On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:33 AM, Pietflyer1977 wrote:
>
> Could someone tell me the correct spar length on the Pietenpol 3 piece
wing. My drawings are saying the on the 3 piece each wing spar is 12'
and the center section is 29"? Is the 12' a misprint? The one piece wing
is 14'5" each half for total of 28'10" wing span vs 26'5" for the 3
piece? So just make the total 28' 10" with a 29" center section correct?
And dis-guard the 12' measurement?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387759#387759
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| Subject: | Re: 3 Piece wing spars |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Ken,
You are correct at 28'10". That's what the 3 piece wing plans show. If
you are considering a flop or cutout to help with ingress and egress, I
recommend widening the center section to 3 feet. Bill Rewey has a drawing
of this. this makes the wingspan 29'5". Performance gain is probably
negligible, but the extra headroom is key, in my humble opinion.
Greg Bacon
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Kenneth Howe <ken@cooper-mtn.com> wrote:
> I just checked the copy of the plans that I keep on my computer (you never
> know when you'll need to refer to 'em. The 'blue-line' version I have here
> is a bit of photoshop so they'll look better as desktop wallpaper.) The
> outer spars are 13' 2 1/2", and the center section is 29". That'll add up
> to 28'10".
>
> Ken
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:33 AM, Pietflyer1977 wrote:
>
>
> Could someone tell me the correct spar length on the Pietenpol 3 piece
> wing. My drawings are saying the on the 3 piece each wing spar is 12' and
> the center section is 29"? Is the 12' a misprint? The one piece wing is
> 14'5" each half for total of 28'10" wing span vs 26'5" for the 3 piece? So
> just make the total 28' 10" with a 29" center section correct? And
> dis-guard the 12' measurement?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387759#387759
>
>
> (And Get Some AWESOME FREE -Matt Dralle,
> List =======================
>
>
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Greg Bacon
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| Subject: | Re: Dihedral and washout |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
If you're looking for a pure 1930s experience then leave the credit card and cell
phone home, too. May as well skip the tracking devices we talked about last
week, too.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Those pictures made me smile, Douwe.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Me too. Thanks for sharing Douwe.
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:01 AM, kevinpurtee wrote:
> kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
>
> Those pictures made me smile, Douwe.
>
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> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/San Marcos, TX
>
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 3 Piece wing spars |
My 3-piece wing plan shows each spar to be 13 ft 2 1/2 inches. That's 158
1/2 inches. The center section spar is 29 inches. That gives a total of
346 inches for the entire wing. That's 28 ft 10 inches total. This is from
the 3-piece wing supplement dated Jan 10, 1975. Don't understand why your
plans would show different dimentions. C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3 Piece wing spars
>
> Could someone tell me the correct spar length on the Pietenpol 3 piece
> wing. My drawings are saying the on the 3 piece each wing spar is 12' and
> the center section is 29"? Is the 12' a misprint? The one piece wing is
> 14'5" each half for total of 28'10" wing span vs 26'5" for the 3 piece? So
> just make the total 28' 10" with a 29" center section correct? And
> dis-guard the 12' measurement?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387759#387759
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3 Piece wing spars |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Keep studying the dimensions and you will likely discover that 13' 5" makes more
sense than 13' 2.5". If you add all the bay dimensions, to include the 4.5"
tip and the 0.5" inboard stub that butts against the center section, you will
come up with 162.42"OAL, or 13' 5". I conferred with a few other builders that
came to the same conclusion.
A minor change, I know... but it appeared to make sense at the time and that is
how I cut and spaced mine.
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| Subject: | Re: composite cooling eyebrows |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
In other words, Douwe... you are going to catch hell no matter WHAT you choose
to do!
Gotta love it.
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 3 Piece wing spars |
My plans show 13' 2 1/2" and that's what I made them. So your wing is 5
inches longer than mine. Bet you can't tell the difference with the planes
parked side-by-side. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3 Piece wing spars
>
> Keep studying the dimensions and you will likely discover that 13' 5"
> makes more sense than 13' 2.5". If you add all the bay dimensions, to
> include the 4.5" tip and the 0.5" inboard stub that butts against the
> center section, you will come up with 162.42"OAL, or 13' 5". I conferred
> with a few other builders that came to the same conclusion.
>
> A minor change, I know... but it appeared to make sense at the time and
> that is how I cut and spaced mine.
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on
> Landing Gear
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387769#387769
>
>
>
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 3 Piece wing spars |
#2. The "center section" of the 1-piece wing (the plan which gives the rib
spacing) is 25 inches versus the 29 inches of the 3-piece wing. If you take
that 4 inches (2 on each wing panel) out of two of the bays the total length
of the wing comes out to be 346 inches in each case. Your wing is just
wider than the original. TSK TSK such unwarranted departure from the plans
:>) Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3 Piece wing spars
>
> Keep studying the dimensions and you will likely discover that 13' 5"
> makes more sense than 13' 2.5". If you add all the bay dimensions, to
> include the 4.5" tip and the 0.5" inboard stub that butts against the
> center section, you will come up with 162.42"OAL, or 13' 5". I conferred
> with a few other builders that came to the same conclusion.
>
> A minor change, I know... but it appeared to make sense at the time and
> that is how I cut and spaced mine.
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on
> Landing Gear
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387769#387769
>
>
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
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| Subject: | Re: a little slow on reporting |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
John... I couldn't agree with you more. Fred and Fred are a fantastic father and
son team. Great guys to hang out with. I was lucky enough to spend an afternoon
with them on a couple of occasions which included a little Piet flying.
They are the kind of guys that say what they are going to do then they do it
without much overplanning and overthinking, which just leads to not building.
They build the way a Piet should be built! I just need to get over and see
their project!
Fred, please just let your wife know that a trip to Brodhead would make a great
anniversary trip/gift. Hey, there's a really great swimming pool in town, what
else could she want!? I've managed to get my wife there several times. Nevermind
the fact that she switches up the spelling now... "Bordhead"... whatever!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: a little slow on reporting |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Speaking of the Eastern Ohio/Western Pennsylvania area... I think I've successfully
infected a couple guys locally. There are two additional Piet builds going
on within about 3 miles of my house!
Wow, between Frank's two Piets, Mike Cuy's, Shad and Gary's, Skip's, Ed's, and
mine, plus more that I'm not thinking of and all the builders in the area, we
could have quite a gathering. Just hard to get everybody's schedules to match.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: a little slow on reporting |
Something I would be interested in attending, even if I have to drive to
get there!
John
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Ohio Piets--don't forget about... |
Mike Perez's Piet which is coming along to the home stretch too here in the
Cleveland area.
Wow...that is a LOT of Piets in one area. I remember in 2010 at the Taylo
rcraft fly-in we had six Piets without
even planning it thanks to Skip G. and Ed flying up from West Virginny.
That is great Don that you've infected a few builders right around the bloc
k from you with the Pietenpol virus!
Mike C.
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| From: | "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | The gift of wood! |
Group,
There is never an end to the generosity displayed by builders. My ribs, tail group,
center section, fittings and control system were all built and I was preparing
to order spar blanks from Aircraft Spruce to commence the winter building
season.
One of my fellow airline pilots and former military colleagues who had been building
a piet as well advised me he was giving up on the project. In one of his
many moves from base to base, his fuselage had been crushed by the movers beyond
repair. Children and a home renovation entered his life and he decided to
throw in the building towel.
While flying together yesterday he asked me if I would take his left over spruce.
Of course I said yes and after our trip, followed him to his house where he
opened his garage door. There on his shelf were four 14 foot long perfect spar
blanks! "There yours," he said. "I just want to see them go in to a plane
that will be completed".
To say I was overwhelmed is an understatement. At the same time, his generosity
is nothing short of what I've seen on many occasions from this group.
For me the spars are worth not just the savings in wood but also serve as a shot
in the arm from a fellow piet friend to "get on with it"!!!
Wing pictures and spar questions to follow.
Life is very good.
Scott Knowlton
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Hi!
I've just gotten a replacement aircraft after a write off crash (Not Pietenpol!).
With it came a taper shaft A65-8 and a Flottorp 72 X 50 Prop.
Is anyone flying such a combination or knows of that combination flying in something
and has comment.
It wont be flying for 2 or 3 months and then probably with a professionally rebuilt
A75-8 for which that prop is probably too coarse..
The replacement aircraft is a Baby Ace of about 50 years vintage.
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: 3 Piece wing spars |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
My plans also state 13' 2.5", but I still don't see anywhere on the 3-piece plans
that indicate the rib spacing other than the center section and root ribs.
Doesn't matter so much I guess... they are built and I'm not changing them.
[Laughing]
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The gift of wood! |
Well said, this IS an incredible group....and I'll bet there are 10 stories of
greatness we don't hear about to every one of these we do hear about...
For me, stories like this make all the nonsense from the day....disappear.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Nov 13, 2012 3:57 PM
>To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com "
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: The gift of wood!
>
>
>Group,
>
>There is never an end to the generosity displayed by builders. My ribs, tail
group, center section, fittings and control system were all built and I was preparing
to order spar blanks from Aircraft Spruce to commence the winter building
season.
>One of my fellow airline pilots and former military colleagues who had been building
a piet as well advised me he was giving up on the project. In one of his
many moves from base to base, his fuselage had been crushed by the movers beyond
repair. Children and a home renovation entered his life and he decided
to throw in the building towel.
>While flying together yesterday he asked me if I would take his left over spruce.
Of course I said yes and after our trip, followed him to his house where
he opened his garage door. There on his shelf were four 14 foot long perfect
spar blanks! "There yours," he said. "I just want to see them go in to a plane
that will be completed".
>To say I was overwhelmed is an understatement. At the same time, his generosity
is nothing short of what I've seen on many occasions from this group.
>For me the spars are worth not just the savings in wood but also serve as a shot
in the arm from a fellow piet friend to "get on with it"!!!
>
>Wing pictures and spar questions to follow.
>
>Life is very good.
>
>Scott Knowlton
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3 Piece wing spars |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Mark,
I don't have my plans at hand, so I can't check any dimensions, but... when you
wrote 162.42", did you mean 161"?
I make that same mistake all the time. :)
Bill C
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| Subject: | Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Sorry Mike. Forgot about Mike P. Thanks for the picture. That was fun and really
cool to have us all show up like that without planning. I think we challenged
the Tcraft numbers that year.
I was thinking... It might be fun to have a get together this winter. Our hangar
is heated. Might be able to get a group of flyers and builders together for
an afternoon to exchange stories, pictures, ideas, and any other parts pieces,
etc. If weather is good I'd even give rides to anyone brave enough! Wheels
or skis! Might be a nice escape from the winter blahs!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... |
What a nice invitation Don and even though your hangar is heated with all of us
Pietenpol guys in there I'm sure
there would be plenty of hot air to spare! Myself included.
Mike C.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about...
Sorry Mike. Forgot about Mike P. Thanks for the picture. That was fun and really
cool to have us all show up like that without planning. I think we challenged
the Tcraft numbers that year.
I was thinking... It might be fun to have a get together this winter. Our hangar
is heated. Might be able to get a group of flyers and builders together for
an afternoon to exchange stories, pictures, ideas, and any other parts pieces,
etc. If weather is good I'd even give rides to anyone brave enough! Wheels
or skis! Might be a nice escape from the winter blahs!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
Hi Mike,
Thank you for the information on your Headsets. I have been given a gift to use
toward radio, etc for my Piet so was wondering what headsets would work. Didn't
want to add significantly to the cost of the Piet with Bose 1100 dollar headsets.
Hope to see you at Brodhead this coming July.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Flottorp Prop |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
That prop is adjustable pitch, right? If so, can't imagine it won't work alright.
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| Subject: | Re: 3 Piece wing spars |
| From: | "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com> |
Thanks for all the input! I will try and post a picture here of my plans if any
one has a idea of why they say 12'? No big deal but just makes me wonder what
else is wrong and might be a problem after alot of work is complete. These are
dated 1975, as someone had said they had but the length is different? Go figure.
I am just starting this project and have / will have many more questions
I am sure. Any advise is appreicated. Thanks
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| Subject: | Building a Steel fuselage |
| From: | "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com> |
Hello, I am just getting started on building a Pietenpol and would like to get
some feed back from you guys good or bad. I am wanting to build a Piet to look
all original with a Model A engine, tall wheels, pioneer instruments, etc. 100%
period correct other than a steel tubing fuselage using the steel plans from
the Glider manual. I own a restoration shop and restore airplanes and cars for
a living so I have all the tools, equipment and knowledge to build it. The
question is why do you not see them much? Just that it's easier to build a wood
one? Is there any weight and balance problems, etc.? Has anyone ever built steel
tubing tail feathers? Are there any drawings for steel tail feathers? Does
anyone know the weight difference compared to a wood one? Should anything else
be changed with building a steel one? Engine, wing locations? The steel plans
are not to detailed so I guess it's up to the builder to install stringers,
bulkheads, seats, cowling as you see fit. Keeping it light as possible of course.
Or are there any more detailed plans out there for a steel fuselage? I look
forward to hearing all the pro's and con's. Thanks
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... |
If I could make it without freezing to death I'd be all in.- Maybe I can
borrow a champ from the local Aeronca Guy.
-
Shad
--- On Tue, 11/13/12, Don Emch wrote:
From: Don Emch <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about...
Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 5:54 PM
Sorry Mike.- Forgot about Mike P.- Thanks for the picture.- That was
fun and really cool to have us all show up like that without planning.- I
think we challenged the Tcraft numbers that year.
I was thinking... It might be fun to have a get together this winter.- Ou
r hangar is heated.- Might be able to get a group of flyers and builders
together for an afternoon to exchange stories, pictures, ideas, and any oth
er parts pieces, etc.- If weather is good I'd even give rides to anyone b
rave enough!- Wheels or skis!- Might be a nice escape from the winter b
lahs!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: a little slow on reporting |
I know of another 3 piets being built here in central Ohio, one in my origi
nal home town of Delaware, OH, one in Mount Vernon, and 1 more being starte
d by a guy in the local EAA chapter.- One could be flying this next summe
r.
-
Shad
--- On Tue, 11/13/12, Don Emch wrote:
From: Don Emch <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a little slow on reporting
Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 4:02 PM
Speaking of the Eastern Ohio/Western Pennsylvania area... I think I've succ
essfully infected a couple guys locally.- There are two additional Piet b
uilds going on within about 3 miles of my house!-
Wow, between Frank's two Piets, Mike Cuy's, Shad and Gary's, Skip's, Ed's,
and mine, plus more that I'm not thinking of and all the builders in the ar
ea, we could have quite a gathering.- Just hard to get everybody's schedu
les to match.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: 3 Piece wing spars |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Very strange. The location of the lift strut attachment isn't changed (79"), but
the length of the spar definitely is shorter. Seems like some kind of clipped
wing. Almost as though someone modified the drawing. Yet, the lettering looks
to be professionally done - not hand written. Your title block looks the
same as my print (drawn Jan 10, 1975, and revised Mar 13, 1982). The only thing
that looks different is that your print looks like a blueprint, whereas the
prints that are sold today are large-format photocopies.
Where did your plans come from?
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Lots of questions!
There's a member here, good friend, who bought a steel tube fuse, and it's probably
one of the most original to plans around. Jarheadpilot, aka Terry Hand,
he'll pop in soon and is a good place to start asking questions,.
Based on ALOT of reading, there's about 15 to 30 lbs to be saved with a steel tube
fuse, don't know why there aren't more... Probably because of what you've
already seen, not a lot of real support, which is the major advantage of a Piet.
No, don't know of any steel tail feathers, though I'm sure there's quite a few.
Honestly, I imagine some aluminum variant would be the way to go for weight
savings, ala some pop rivet homebuilts out there. Terry is thinking of doing
something like that as well.,
Tail weight saving is THE way to go. I have a very plans built short fuse wood
plane (built by someone else who did NOT add anything aft) and it's got a fair
amount of nose weight added to make things right.
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... |
When I grow up, I want to build a Pietenpol like Don Emch. He's my hero
*and* he has 4 kids. He still boggles my mind how he did it...
On 11/13/2012 03:51 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners,
LLC] wrote:
> Mike Perez's Piet which is coming along to the home stretch too here in the Cleveland
area.
>
> Wow...that is a LOT of Piets in one area. I remember in 2010 at the Taylorcraft
fly-in we had six Piets without
> even planning it thanks to Skip G. and Ed flying up from West Virginny.
>
> That is great Don that you've infected a few builders right around the block
from you with the Pietenpol virus!
>
> Mike C.
>
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... |
When I grow up, I want to build a Pietenpol like Don Emch. He's my hero
*and* he has 4 kids. He still boggles my mind how he did it...
On 11/13/2012 03:51 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners,
LLC] wrote:
> Mike Perez's Piet which is coming along to the home stretch too here in the Cleveland
area.
>
> Wow...that is a LOT of Piets in one area. I remember in 2010 at the Taylorcraft
fly-in we had six Piets without
> even planning it thanks to Skip G. and Ed flying up from West Virginny.
>
> That is great Don that you've infected a few builders right around the block
from you with the Pietenpol virus!
>
> Mike C.
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3 Piece wing spars |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Holy crap! Yes Bill, I absolutely meant 161". I wonder where the heck I came
up with that?
You do that all the time eh? That cracked me up.
Sorry for the confusion... it's a wonder that I got my wings built at all.
Bill Church wrote:
> Mark,
> I don't have my plans at hand, so I can't check any dimensions, but... when you
wrote 162.42", did you mean 161"?
> I make that same mistake all the time. :)
>
> Bill C
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| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: 3 Piece wing spars |
Yeah, God forbid one wing should be one cm longer than the other...
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:12:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3 Piece wing spars
Holy crap! Yes Bill, I absolutely meant 161". I wonder where the heck I came up
with that?
You do that all the time eh? That cracked me up.
Sorry for the confusion... it's a wonder that I got my wings built at all.
Bill Church wrote:
> Mark,
> I don't have my plans at hand, so I can't check any dimensions, but... when you
wrote 162.42", did you mean 161"?
> I make that same mistake all the time. :)
>
> Bill C
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
"I couldn=99t see spending that kind of money unless maybe
I had enough money to be flying a Falcon 20"
Mike, I like the idea of being able to get two good headsets and a handheld
radio for the price of one headset. A Falcon 20 or even an old Learjet are
not in my future; but they would be fun!
Thanks again,
Jim
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Dihedral and washout |
Consider drinking the koolaide and get an iPad mini with the internal GPS. It will
put your plane on a moving map with the sectional as the background. will
download weather and help plan trips. It costs $400-600 (cheaper than most aviation
GPSs) and can be used for other things. It will take photos, shoot video
and serve as a reader. you can even use it as a phone. and watch movies like
"The Great Waldo Pepper."
It can be mounted flat on your panel or swivel on a mount.
I will be buying one this week for use in my bonanza and other aircraft.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellouth.net>
Date: Friday, November 9, 2012 17:16
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral and washout
> Douwe,
>
>
>
> The macho stance is to just fly your Pietenpol with the technology
> thatBernard had available - chart and compass. While it can
> certainly be done
> that way (I flew a J-3 Cub from Tennessee to Texas using just
> that), it is
> foolish to turn your back on anything that can make flying safer.
> GPS is a
> wonderful tool for increasing your situational awareness, and
> thereforeincreasing safety. Just don't allow yourself to get too
> dependent on it -
> they can and do fail.
>
>
>
> I made a mount for my Garmin GPSMap 196 that attaches to the right
> upperlongeron so it is out of the way and easy to see. I then use
> a kneeboard
> with a TripTik chart (a series of 5-1/2 x 8-1/2 portions of a
> sectionalchart with my course printed on them). I can just turn
> over each page as I
> fly onto the next and can keep track of my progress in case the GPS
> goesTango Uniform. I use Aeroplanner software to generate the
> triptiks, but I
> think there are several different companies out there that do the same
> thing.
>
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> Where I very nearly wiped out a DiamondStar DA-40 this evening when
> 5 deer
> ran across the runway as we were rolling out after landing. The
> last one
> missed the prop by less than a foot and then went UNDER the right
> wingtip.
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
> Blumberg
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 2:40 PM
> To: pietenpolgroup
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral and washout
>
>
>
> Douwe.
>
>
>
> Ps. Does anyone have a good system for using gps when flying and
> yet still
> keeping track of their approximate position on a chart in the case
> gpspoops?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Mikee:
How do you keep that 9V battery from living a short life? I have a similar little
portable deal, I think mine's a Sigtronics, but if I don't pull the 9V out
of it after flight, it drains down pretty quickly. And yes, I know to turn the
thing off!
My headset is a Pacific Coast Electronics "David Clark look-alike", not noise reducing
but pretty good nevertheless. And WAY affordable.
The last couple of years we've flown Scout with old-timey WWII gear for cockpit
communication. Leather flight helmets with built-in ear speakers and old carbon
microphones with push buttons and coiled cords. You have to hold the mikes
right up to your lips and shout into them, but it's kinda fun... "I SAY, I SAY-
NAVIGATOR TO PILOT, TURN LEFT HEADING ZERO-NINER-FIVE. I REPEAT, ZERO-NINER-FIVE"
;o) I do it with a Brit accent to give it a little extra flair. The
pilot has to drop the mike while flying the airplane and then fumble for it when
he gets a call from the front-seater, and we are NORDO so there isn't anybody
else to talk to, but it beats hand signals and yelling into the wind.
I love these airplanes.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Having a good time building a steel-tube Piet here in Seattle... You are right
that the details are not in the plans - so I have to make a lot of it up - yet
that is part of the gratification at times. I have posted progress in the past
so if you search under my name (Jake Schultz) you should find my past postings.
Four years in and maybe halfway there.... 6 & 1/2 hours in the shop tonight
working on the walking beam bellcrank assy - very pleasant....
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I purchased a steel tube fuselage about a year ago that I found on Barnstormers.com
(thanks again Skip Gadd for your help on that).
It appears to be built to the plans found in the Flyer & Glider Manual, with the
tapered tube sizes and splices as depicted in the plans. I took it to Corvair
College #24 in Barnwell SC this past weekend and had it looked at by several
experienced builders. They were impressed with the weight savings as opposed
to the wooden fuselage or the (dare I say it?) Grega steel tube plans. William
Wynne thinks that it weighs about half of what the Grega plans weigh, and other
Piet builders there suggested that it was 15-30 pounds lighter than the wooden
plans, as Tools stated earlier. To be clear, it is a short fuselage, as the
longer fuselage was not designed until after this came out in the F&G Manual.
It is not designed for a 6'3" 260 pounder. I am 5'11" and 205 and it is tight,
but does not appear to be claustrophobic.
Tools is right. There are a small number of the steel tube Piets, so support in
that construction is small. Frankly, I wanted one but never expected to have
one until I fell into this. I never thought I would have the welding expertise
to build a fuselage I would have faith in! It sounds like you have the shop,
as well as the ability to build this fuselage. I would encourage you to do so.
My biggest reason to want one was for the weight savings, but I do think that
there other advantages to the steel tube fuselage beyond just the weight.
There are three things that I am doing to alter it from the F&G plans-
1. I am having die spring gear installed as opposed to the bungee cords. Read the
link for a discussion on the die spring gear. William Wynne is installing mine
at his shop.
2. It was suggested to me that two additional vertical tubes (probably 3/8" tube
would be plenty) should be welded in back, just above the tail wheel to give
it a bit more strength. Ed Fisher of the Sport Aviation Association suggested
that one. I can send you pictures offline of the area that I am talking about.
A very simple, light addition.
3. I am going to have William cut in a door for the front cockpit. It is tough
for anyone much bigger than a small child to get in that front cockpit seat. I
thought the door would help.
Please feel free to contact me off-line if I can answer any other questions.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... |
| From: | "FandS_Piet" <fkim79(at)gmail.com> |
I've always wondered how Don did it ( and still does). Don you will have to be
my mentor. We came over to your place on Sunday but didn't see any avtivity
so we flew over to Barber and scavenged around Franks's Piet's some more.
Schedule the day this winter and I'll mark it on my calendar for sure.
--------
Fred Kim
Pittsburgh, Pa
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Oh, I don't know.... a steel fuselage on a 1929 Pietenpol with a Model A Fo
rd..... just doesn't fit in my mind. It just seems too high-tech to me. Whe
n I chose the Pietenpol the wood fuse was one of the simple and charming pa
rts of the design that attracted. That smell of freshly cut spruce... saw d
ust on the floor.....sweeping at the end of the day.... Besides, I rem
ember reading somewhere that Bernerd actually preferred the wood (probably
in the "lost" papers).
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
P.S. Ask Kevin Purtee his opinion of the wood fuselage....
-----Original Message-----
From: Pietflyer1977 <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:24 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building a Steel fuselage
Hello, I am just getting started on building a Pietenpol and would like to
get
some feed back from you guys good or bad. I am wanting to build a Piet to l
ook
all original with a Model A engine, tall wheels, pioneer instruments, etc.
100%
period correct other than a steel tubing fuselage using the steel plans fro
m the
Glider manual. I own a restoration shop and restore airplanes and cars for
a
living so I have all the tools, equipment and knowledge to build it. The
question is why do you not see them much? Just that it's easier to build a
wood
one? Is there any weight and balance problems, etc.? Has anyone ever built
steel
tubing tail feathers? Are there any drawings for steel tail feathers? Does
anyone know the weight difference compared to a wood one? Should anything e
lse
be changed with building a steel one? Engine, wing locations? The steel pla
ns
are not to detailed so I guess it's up to the builder to install stringers,
bulkheads, seats, cowling as you see fit. Keeping i!
t light as possible of course. Or are there any more detailed plans out th
ere
for a steel fuselage? I look forward to hearing all the pro's and con's. Th
anks
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Building a Steel fuselage |
Steel tube fuselages were common enough in 1929. Did you ever look at a
Waco Nine or a Travelair? Gene Rambo's 1927 Travelair 2000 has a nice
welded steel tube fuselage.
Most Piets are wood because most people are more comfortable working with
wood. If you've got the tools and skills to do it in steel, go for it. It
does require more thinking to make a steel tube fuselage, because you've got
to plan ahead and make brackets for every piece that will be attached to the
fuselage. With wood you can just glue or screw something to the structure.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building a Steel fuselage
Oh, I don't know.... a steel fuselage on a 1929 Pietenpol with a Model A
Ford..... just doesn't fit in my mind. It just seems too high-tech to me.
When I chose the Pietenpol the wood fuse was one of the simple and charming
parts of the design that attracted. That smell of freshly cut spruce... saw
dust on the floor.....sweeping at the end of the day.... Besides, I
remember reading somewhere that Bernerd actually preferred the wood
(probably in the "lost" papers).
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
P.S. Ask Kevin Purtee his opinion of the wood fuselage....
-----Original Message-----
From: Pietflyer1977 <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:24 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building a Steel fuselage
Hello, I am just getting started on building a Pietenpol and would like to
get
some feed back from you guys good or bad. I am wanting to build a Piet to
look
all original with a Model A engine, tall wheels, pioneer instruments, etc.
100%
period correct other than a steel tubing fuselage using the steel plans from
the
Glider manual. I own a restoration shop and restore airplanes and cars for a
living so I have all the tools, equipment and knowledge to build it. The
question is why do you not see them much? Just that it's easier to build a
wood
one? Is there any weight and balance problems, etc.? Has anyone ever built
steel
tubing tail feathers? Are there any drawings for steel tail feathers? Does
anyone know the weight difference compared to a wood one? Should anything
else
be changed with building a steel one? Engine, wing locations? The steel
plans
are not to detailed so I guess it's up to the builder to install stringers,
bulkheads, seats, cowling as you see fit. Keeping i!
t light as possible of course. Or are there any more detailed plans out
there
for a steel fuselage? I look forward to hearing all the pro's and con's.
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Here are the drawings for the steel tail on my plane. Enjoy
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: French Valley Pietenpol Update |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Piet family,
Here is an update. Saturdays flight was canceled due to a poor weather prediction.
Steve and Peter did go to the airport to do some final checks on the plane
Saturday morning. They have put a fair amount of time on the engine while
taxing it around over the last few weeks and decided it was time to do a full
power two minute run up per William Wynn's recommendation. About one minute into
it the engine run, it started running rough and started to smoke. I didn't
get any other details than that. I don't know if it was blue or black smoke.
They also said it lost compression in one of the cylinders. Anyway, Steve told
me yesterday that after some tear down they found it had an over heated piston.
It will need to be replaced. I'm very confident that they will find the root
of the problem and when they get it corrected we will try again.
Cheers,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
The last thing I want to do is be a discouragement to anybody. If a steel t
ube fuse is part of the dream, then of course you need to go after it. Don'
t let others opinions swerve you off course. After all, it is in the F&G pl
ans. Ask Mike Perez. Now that is a man who knows his mind :O)
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 14, 2012 6:33 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Building a Steel fuselage
Steel tube fuselages were common enough in1929. Did you ever look at a Wac
o Nine or a Travelair? Gene Rambo=99s1927 Travelair 2000 has a nice
welded steel tube fuselage.
Most Piets are wood because most peopleare more comfortable working with wo
od. If you=99ve got the tools andskills to do it in steel, go for it
. It does require more thinking tomake a steel tube fuselage, because you
=99ve got to plan ahead and makebrackets for every piece that will be
attached to the fuselage. With woodyou can just glue or screw something t
o the structure.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list
-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 20127:16 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:Building a Steel fuselage
Oh, I don't know.... a steel fuselage ona 1929 Pietenpol with a Model A For
d..... just doesn't fit in my mind. It justseems too high-tech to me. When
I chose the Pietenpol the wood fuse was one ofthe simple and charming parts
of the design that attracted. That smell offreshly cut spruce... saw dust
on the floor.....sweeping at the end of theday.... Besides, I remember
reading somewherethat Bernerd actually preferred the wood (probably in the
"lost"papers).
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
P.S. Ask Kevin Purtee his opinionof the wood fuselage....
-----OriginalMessage-----
From: Pietflyer1977 <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:24 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building a Steel fuselage
Hello, I am just getting started on building a Pietenpol and would like to
get
some feed back from you guys good or bad. I am wanting to build a Piet to l
ook
all original with a Model A engine, tall wheels, pioneer instruments, etc.
100%
period correct other than a steel tubing fuselage using the steel plans fro
m the
Glider manual. I own a restoration shop and restore airplanes and cars for
a
living so I have all the tools, equipment and knowledge to build it. The
question is why do you not see them much? Just that it's easier to build a
wood
one? Is there any weight and balance problems, etc.? Has anyone ever built
steel
tubing tail feathers? Are there any drawings for steel tail feathers? Does
anyone know the weight difference compared to a wood one? Should anything e
lse
be changed with building a steel one? Engine, wing locations? The steel pla
ns
are not to detailed so I guess it's up to the builder to install stringers,
bulkheads, seats, cowling as you see fit. Keeping i!
t light as possible of course. Or are there any more detailed plans out th
ere
for a steel fuselage? I look forward to hearing all the pro's and con's. Th
anks
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: French Valley Pietenpol Update |
Aren't you glad YOU didn't find this problem just after takeoff!
Good luck with it, Scott
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AircamperN11MS
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: French Valley Pietenpol Update
Piet family,
Here is an update. Saturdays flight was canceled due to a poor weather
prediction. Steve and Peter did go to the airport to do some final checks
on the plane Saturday morning. They have put a fair amount of time on the
engine while taxing it around over the last few weeks and decided it was
time to do a full power two minute run up per William Wynn's recommendation.
About one minute into it the engine run, it started running rough and
started to smoke. I didn't get any other details than that. I don't know if
it was blue or black smoke. They also said it lost compression in one of the
cylinders. Anyway, Steve told me yesterday that after some tear down they
found it had an over heated piston. It will need to be replaced. I'm very
confident that they will find the root of the problem and when they get it
corrected we will try again.
Cheers,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: French Valley Pietenpol Update |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Yup, I am glad of that. They have a long runway and I figure that time frame would
have put me over the departure end of it. This is a great example of why
we check and recheck our aircraft before flight. I would have also done the
same power test before I flew it. To make sure there were no fuel delivery issues
and to see what the engine would turn on a static run. Kudos to them for
finding it.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... |
If things continue to progress as they are now, I believe my plane will be done
summer/fall time frame next year...I hope.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
I can vouch for the energy absorbing qualities of the wood fuselage...
[Shocked]
By all means build a metal tube fuselage and post what you learn here and on West
Coast Piet. Jake's been very helpful in sharing his experience with other
potential metal fuselage builders.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
One thing to keep in mind regarding the steel tube fuselage is that it still has
a fair amount of wood on it. There's the turtledeck, and the seats, and the
floorboard, and the side fairings, and the panels, etc.
I haven't taken the time to do the necessary calculations to do an honest comparison
(and I have no plan to do so), but my gut tells me that the true weight
savings may not be quite "as advertised". Most builders who weigh their wood
fuselages probably have all of the woodwork done when they plunk it on a scale,
whereas with the steel tube fuselage, I can imagine a builder weighing it as
soon as the metalwork is done, but without all of the woodwork attached.
Then again, as I said, I haven't actually done any calculations. This is just
a hunch. I don't doubt that there are some weight savings to be gained with the
steel tube fuselage, but I bet it isn't 30 pounds.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Bill,
I think most, if not all guys building a Piet are smart enough to realize that
to weigh a steel tube fuselage only and compare it to a wooden fuselage with cabanes,
turtledeck, tail feathers, etc is an apples to oranges comparison that
has no value.
If someone has a wooden fuselage with the main gear and tail wheel only that would
like to weigh their project and I could have Wiliam Wynne weigh mine, that
might be an interesting comparison. I don't think that to do such a comparison
would be a 'urinating competition' but would simply be an interesting exercise.
Just a thought.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Cabanes?... tailfeathers?...
Terry, all I was suggesting was that for a proper comparison, both fuselages should
be completed to the same degree. THAT is the only way to avoid an apples
to oranges comparison. When the wooden fuselage gets built, the seats, floorboards,
turtledeck are all most likely glued in, so those items (or the weight
of the wood required to add them) should be added to the weight of the steel
fuselage. The fuselages being weighed should also be "similar" fuselages, i.e.
both "short" or "long" fuselages, to produce meaningful results.
In comparing weights of completed fuselages, one has to take into account all of
the details. Often I have read about fuselage weights that include the control
system, since it isn't exactly easy to remove , once it is installed.
So does your fuselage have seats, floorboards, and turtledeck installed? Because
anyone building a wood fuselage will likely have those items glued on (but
probably not the landing gear and tailwheel). Just to keep the exercise interesting,
and urine-free.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Flottorp Prop |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Gerry: I asked my guru about this combination and here's his reply:
"I had that combination on the J-4 Cub with the A-65 until one of the guys put
it over on its nose. The Flottorp prop we had was fixed pitch with either 1/8"
or 1/4" laminations. Really nice prop to fly. Smooth and performed a bit better
than the Sensenich we replaced it with. I really liked the prop. 50" pitch
is going to be a bit coarse for an A-75, but looking at the Flottorp application
chart, the 72x50 prop was used on the A-65 applications. The A-75s used the
same prop with a 46" pitch. So, if he doesn't mind turning the engine a bit slower
like an A-65 (which the A-75 will happily do), it will work OK. Should perform
just fine in a Piet, but having the capability to turn the engine up a
bit would increase the climb. The good news here is that the 72x50 Flottorp prop
should be easy to sell on something like the J3-Cub forum and should sell for
at least enough to cover buying a decent prop of the correct pitch. Those that
are in the know on the Cub forum know that the Flottorp prop is a superior
prop to its Sensenich counterpart from that day. If I had a Cub with an A-65,
I'd be sending him an offer for the prop.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dihedral and washout |
what is the monthly cost for all these great things? Airlion
----- Original Message ----
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Sent: Tue, November 13, 2012 11:26:28 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral and washout
Consider drinking the koolaide and get an iPad mini with the internal GPS. It
will put your plane on a moving map with the sectional as the background. will
download weather and help plan trips. It costs $400-600 (cheaper than most
aviation GPSs) and can be used for other things. It will take photos, shoot
video and serve as a reader. you can even use it as a phone. and watch movies
like "The Great Waldo Pepper."
It can be mounted flat on your panel or swivel on a mount.
I will be buying one this week for use in my bonanza and other aircraft.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellouth.net>
Date: Friday, November 9, 2012 17:16
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral and washout
> Douwe,
>
>
>
> The macho stance is to just fly your Pietenpol with the technology
> thatBernard had available - chart and compass. While it can
> certainly be done
> that way (I flew a J-3 Cub from Tennessee to Texas using just
> that), it is
> foolish to turn your back on anything that can make flying safer.
> GPS is a
> wonderful tool for increasing your situational awareness, and
> thereforeincreasing safety. Just don't allow yourself to get too
> dependent on it -
> they can and do fail.
>
>
>
> I made a mount for my Garmin GPSMap 196 that attaches to the right
> upperlongeron so it is out of the way and easy to see. I then use
> a kneeboard
> with a TripTik chart (a series of 5-1/2 x 8-1/2 portions of a
> sectionalchart with my course printed on them). I can just turn
> over each page as I
> fly onto the next and can keep track of my progress in case the GPS
> goesTango Uniform. I use Aeroplanner software to generate the
> triptiks, but I
> think there are several different companies out there that do the same
> thing.
>
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> Where I very nearly wiped out a DiamondStar DA-40 this evening when
> 5 deer
> ran across the runway as we were rolling out after landing. The
> last one
> missed the prop by less than a foot and then went UNDER the right
> wingtip.
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
> Blumberg
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 2:40 PM
> To: pietenpolgroup
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral and washout
>
>
>
> Douwe.
>
>
>
> Ps. Does anyone have a good system for using gps when flying and
> yet still
> keeping track of their approximate position on a chart in the case
> gpspoops?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: French Valley Pietenpol Update |
what kind of cowl do you have and how big are your intake holes? also do you
have a large enough cooling exit area? I had this same problem and after
rebuilding the engine I created better cooling airflow on top of the engine.
William explained all this a year ago after my problems. cheers,Airlion
----- Original Message ----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, November 14, 2012 10:01:36 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: French Valley Pietenpol Update
Aren't you glad YOU didn't find this problem just after takeoff!
Good luck with it, Scott
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AircamperN11MS
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: French Valley Pietenpol Update
Piet family,
Here is an update. Saturdays flight was canceled due to a poor weather
prediction. Steve and Peter did go to the airport to do some final checks
on the plane Saturday morning. They have put a fair amount of time on the
engine while taxing it around over the last few weeks and decided it was
time to do a full power two minute run up per William Wynn's recommendation.
About one minute into it the engine run, it started running rough and
started to smoke. I didn't get any other details than that. I don't know if
it was blue or black smoke. They also said it lost compression in one of the
cylinders. Anyway, Steve told me yesterday that after some tear down they
found it had an over heated piston. It will need to be replaced. I'm very
confident that they will find the root of the problem and when they get it
corrected we will try again.
Cheers,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
My point exactly. As I said before-
"If someone has a wooden fuselage with the main gear and tail wheel only that would
like to weigh their project and I could have Wiliam Wynne weigh mine, that
might be an interesting comparison. I don't think that to do such a comparison
would be a 'urinating competition' but would simply be an interesting exercise."
That would make them the same basic configuration, and, thus, more of an apples
to apples comparison. If there is no one that has a wood fuselage in that configuration,
then it would not be an accurate comparison. Like I said.
The reality is that if it is a long fuselage then it will be an apples to oranges
comparison any way as the steel tube fuselage is a short fuselage.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
My final comments on this matter:
Terry, you didn't say whether your fuselage has any of the woodwork in place.
You didn't say whether the forward coaming is in place. You didn't say what type
of landing gear you have installed, and you didn't say what type of tailwheel
you have installed. So, it's going to be pretty hard for anyone to know whether
they have an apple or an orange.
Having said that, it's a pretty safe bet that NOBODY is going to have a wooden
fuselage (short or long) without floorboards, seats or turtledeck, but WITH all
of the other wood (including the side paneling) installed, and with landing
gear and tailwheel mounted. They just don't get built that way.
But, I'd still like to know how the weight of the steel tube fuselage actually
compares against the weight of the all wood fuselage. Probably the best way would
be to weigh your steel fuselage after you have added all the wooden bits
to it, and then ask for comparisons with wooden fuselages (and other steel tube
fuselages, too). I bet Jake Schultz's steel tube Piet is in about the right
stage of building to do a weight comparison. Based on recent photos, I think
he's got all or most of the other wooden bits added on.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
You didn't ask. Until now.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey Rob (I assume that's your name from your email address)
I'd build a steel fuse next time in a heartbeat. I find it easier to build
and, as has been mentioned, is reputedly significantly lighter.
The plane was designed for the Ford and balances OK with the wood fuse,
though many stretch the motor mount a few inches, so a lighter steel fuse
should be perfect as is. Shouldn't need to move anything around.
I am unaware of any detailed plans for the fuse. You're right, you'll have
to "wing" the details, which shouldn't be a big deal. Just reference the
wood fuselage plans and put stuff in the same places.
Don't know of any steel empennage out there. Plans assume a wood one,
though I see no reason one couldn't copy some other light plane design that
used steel like a Heath Parasol.
If I wanted the original Jenny gear, I'd build it from steel in as well.
Probably come out lighter and stronger (not that it needs to be stronger.)
$.02
Douwe
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Not sure if I could fly up if it's too cold, but any other time of year, or
if we got a decent window, I'd sure like to try to come up an join you guys.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Oh what a fun day for the wife to actually read this list. So Don is your hero?!?!
Bahahahahaha!!!
I do have to agree with the broken furnace,, transmission issue, etc. He forgot
about last year when I had to ring out ALL of the laundry by hand when the washer
broke. For MONTHS!! (Reminder 4 kids).
And the funniest part of our little family, if you look at the picture the Mr.
Cuy so nicely posted, is that Ryan looks NOTHING like his father. The bigger
joke is that Ryan favors the UPS man that happened to deliver the daily items
from Aircraft Spruce during this time in our lives. Maybe around when the Pietenpol
was in the living room getting sewed. Ironic indeed. (not insinuating
anything, just really humorous).
But I have to say my hubby is a super great guy! Yes he is obsessed with any and
all old airplanes. But he knows when he is needed to have family time. It
is all about the balance. He has figured out how to do it, and also figured
out when to offer the favorite Mexican restaurant when he has pushed too far.
So don't give up guys....but remember that us girls sometimes need a diversion
from dope and ribs. :-).
gretchen emch, the wife.
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| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I'm with you Oscar, it's just part of the lore of this genre of flying. I taught
my son to fly in one, doing the whole yelling and screaming routine! I sort
of had flashbacks to what I imagined old military students going through in
primary flight training in Jennys!
I'm shocked there aren't simple NON VOX inter comms available. I really need to
dig into the old ham radio books for simple inter comm circuits that'll do what
I want.
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| Subject: | Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
As another Pietenpol wife likes to say... wimminz gotz needs, or something like
that.
Funny stuff Mrs. E.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Just for kicks, I flew the other day with my iphone maps on and it actually
kind of worked.
Douwe
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| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Douwe,
I have an app on my iPhone, Zephyr Charts. I have sectionals, low and high IFR
charts as well as TACs for North America. I have flown with it and it works well.
It is sort of a poor (or cheap) man's Foreflight.
The zoom resolution is not as good as the high dollar apps but it is sufficient
for a back up. Couple it with a Bad Elf GPS and you have cheap situational awareness
for $3.99. There is a Zephyr Lite version (free) that gives you limited
functionality to try it.
YMMV. Call or contact me off-line if you want more info.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: French Valley Pietenpol Update |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Airlion,
I also think it was a cooling issue. It does have eyebrows on it. But I don't
think there is much airflow over the cylinders while it is tied down. The root
of propellers typically don't provide much airflow. You can see the eyebrows
in the pic above. I am 100 miles away from the plane so it is hard for me
to get a complete understanding of it without being there. I will certainly have
a better look at it when I get down there. I have also request they send
pics to WW for his opinion.
Thanks,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Back in the day (1970's) we were using old vacuum cleaner hoses as Gos-port tubes.
It think I spelt that correctly. Just like the olden days. It was marginal
at best. Now I use the Sigtronics portable unit with a 9 volt battery. I change
the battery out about two times a year. I have not had any pre-mature battery
discharges with mine. It works good on the ground and fair in the air.
I squelch it all the way and and use a push to talk button with the carrier
wire disconnected. It prevents radio transmissions that way.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
| From: | "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com> |
Thanks for all the info. and input from everyone. If anyone has anymore please
keep it coming. Scott thanks for the tail drawings that was just what I was looking
for. Thanks to your buddy Mike also because he sent a PM with the drawings
also. I am going to go ahead with the steel fuselage as I was planning to and
will keep you guys updated as this moves along. Will likely not get started
on it till after the first of the year. Working on wing ribs and need to get
materials together for the fuselage. Will post photos went underway. Being in
the business doing this kind of work, once I gear up to do this I could also weld
up some more if anyone has a interest in building a Pietenpol with a steel
fuselage. The more I could build at once the cheaper I could get the price down.
Also the more materials I would buy at once the cheaper I could get them.
If there are guys out there that have a interest in having one built or also the
tail feathers in steel let me know. I have a nice paint booth and could also
include epoxy primer and or painted also. Thanks Rob
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| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
In 2003, I flew my A65 powered Corben Jr. Ace to Brodhead. On the way
home, I had a nice 25 mph headwind. The GPS was key in finding an altitude
with more favorable winds as well as fuel management. It's a great tool
and really enhances safety, in many ways.
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:47 AM, jarheadpilot82
wrote:
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
> Douwe,
>
> I have an app on my iPhone, Zephyr Charts. I have sectionals, low and high
> IFR charts as well as TACs for North America. I have flown with it and it
> works well. It is sort of a poor (or cheap) man's Foreflight.
>
> The zoom resolution is not as good as the high dollar apps but it is
> sufficient for a back up. Couple it with a Bad Elf GPS and you have cheap
> situational awareness for $3.99. There is a Zephyr Lite version (free) that
> gives you limited functionality to try it.
>
> YMMV. Call or contact me off-line if you want more info.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387952#387952
>
>
--
Greg Bacon
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
I used an old $110 Magellan explorist to fly my Bonanza from Enid, OK to San Antonio,
on monday. It worked fine. Slightly small screen for my old eyes, but gave
me bearing, heading, distance, GS and a moving map showing towns, water and
major highways. Newer versions have better maps. Also rugged and waterproof.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012 12:12
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: gps
> In 2003, I flew my A65 powered Corben Jr. Ace to Brodhead. On the way
> home, I had a nice 25 mph headwind. The GPS was key in finding an
> altitudewith more favorable winds as well as fuel management.
> It's a great tool
> and really enhances safety, in many ways.
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:47 AM, jarheadpilot82
>
> >
> > Douwe,
> >
> > I have an app on my iPhone, Zephyr Charts. I have sectionals, low and high
> > IFR charts as well as TACs for North America. I have flown with it and it
> > works well. It is sort of a poor (or cheap) man's Foreflight.
> >
> > The zoom resolution is not as good as the high dollar apps but it is
> > sufficient for a back up. Couple it with a Bad Elf GPS and you have cheap
> > situational awareness for $3.99. There is a Zephyr Lite version (free) that
> > gives you limited functionality to try it.
> >
> > YMMV. Call or contact me off-line if you want more info.
> >
> > --------
> > Semper Fi,
> >
> > Terry Hand
> > Athens, GA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387952#387952
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Greg Bacon
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Great to see the exchange of information....
Terry is correct that my fuselage is two inches wider than plans, yet it may also
not be the best one to make comparisons because I have added structure to compensate
for the door cutout, "up-sized" certain additional tube sections, and
added additional cross-bracing. (I believe it still might be slightly lighter
than wood but more on the order of 10 pounds - just a guess based on weights
and data from other projects.) I chose the steel-tube mostly because I like
the mix of wood, metal, fabric, etc., and I just wanted to create mine that way.
I plan to post my weight information from time-to-time (not just the fuselage,
but hopefully at a component level) to add information, however relevant, to the
body of Pietenpol knowledge in the public domain.
One good candidate for a wood-steel comparison might be Bill Sayre's newly-completed
Pietenpol in Tacoma, WA since he has a very straightforward steel-tube Piet
with a Model A engine......
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
I wasnt going to add to this discussion because most of the important considerations
(difficulty attaching simple things like throttle quadrants) have been mentioned
and I didnt want to add to the wastewater dispersal aspect. I will mention
what persuaded me down the metal fuselage path. It was a conversation
with BHP during which he was discouraging me from using the Jenny style gear because
it weighed more than the Cub style. He quoted about a 30-pound difference
and around that time a discussion was happening on the web (might have been
before Matronix when Steve E. ran a board, Im not sure) about the difference
in weight between the metal and wood fuselages. At that time the discussion
ended with 35-pounds being the agreed upon savings for the metal version so the
logic was I could have the Jenny-style gear I really wanted and end up about
the same weight as a Cub-style gear/wooden fuselage configuration.
Around the same time the consensus seemed to be that a metal tail was heavier than
wood and I never understood why but I fabricated mine out of wood. Perhaps
those that tried it felt the wall thickness had to be such that it defeated
the purpose, I really dont know. I didnt look that far into it.
Bill
NX626E
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Dihedral and washout |
I will not be paying for the phone service. I will use my Tmobile Android phone
as a WiFi hotspot to get on the internet and send messages. If I really like
the iPad and the coolaid is sweet enough, i may get an iPhone later. You may
also pay for weather through Sirus (music is extra.)
Two are three GPS/Instrument/Secitional services that Beech pilots talk about Foreflight
($70 to $140 per year), WingX ($99 per year)
I have not decided which to use but a buddy says "WingX has more features. ForeFlight
is easier to use if you are ADHD. I've used both. I chose ForeFlight"
There is also GarminPilot but I don't know much about it.
There is an application that you buy (I think a one time $350 fee) and get weather
put on the map with free data.
Too much to talk about.
I will call a buddy that is a computer guru and owns a flight school. He loves
his gadgets. I will ask him what he uses and I will do the same. I don't know
enough to learn the details (and I don't really care.) I am an end user and don't
want to know all about all the programs.
If y'all want I will let you know what I find out.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 17:05
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral and washout
>
> what is the monthly cost for all these great things? Airlion
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, November 13, 2012 11:26:28 PM
> Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral and washout
>
> <
>
> Consider drinking the koolaide and get an iPad mini with the internal GPS. It
> will put your plane on a moving map with the sectional as the background. will
> download weather and help plan trips. It costs $400-600 (cheaper than most
> aviation GPSs) and can be used for other things. It will take photos, shoot
> video and serve as a reader. you can even use it as a phone. and watch movies
> like "The Great Waldo Pepper."
>
>
> It can be mounted flat on your panel or swivel on a mount.
>
> I will be buying one this week for use in my bonanza and other aircraft.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack Phillips <
> Date: Friday, November 9, 2012 17:16
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral and washout
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> > Douwe,
> >
> >
> >
> > The macho stance is to just fly your Pietenpol with the technology
> > thatBernard had available - chart and compass. While it can
> > certainly be done
> > that way (I flew a J-3 Cub from Tennessee to Texas using just
> > that), it is
> > foolish to turn your back on anything that can make flying safer.
> > GPS is a
> > wonderful tool for increasing your situational awareness, and
> > thereforeincreasing safety. Just don't allow yourself to get too
> > dependent on it -
> > they can and do fail.
> >
> >
> >
> > I made a mount for my Garmin GPSMap 196 that attaches to the right
> > upperlongeron so it is out of the way and easy to see. I then use
> > a kneeboard
> > with a TripTik chart (a series of 5-1/2 x 8-1/2 portions of a
> > sectionalchart with my course printed on them). I can just turn
> > over each page as I
> > fly onto the next and can keep track of my progress in case the GPS
> > goesTango Uniform. I use Aeroplanner software to generate the
> > triptiks, but I
> > think there are several different companies out there that do the same
> > thing.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jack Phillips
> >
> > NX899JP
> >
> > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
> >
> > Where I very nearly wiped out a DiamondStar DA-40 this evening when
> > 5 deer
> > ran across the runway as we were rolling out after landing. The
> > last one
> > missed the prop by less than a foot and then went UNDER the right
> > wingtip.
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
> > Blumberg
> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 2:40 PM
> > To: pietenpolgroup
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral and washout
> >
> >
> >
> > Douwe.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ps. Does anyone have a good system for using gps when flying and
> > yet still
> > keeping track of their approximate position on a chart in the case
> > gpspoops?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Who is Matt Dralle & What Are The Lists? |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
THANK YOU Matt - for the list making a difference in my Pietenpol project. Thanks
for making my project more posssible to begin with, and for making it more
of a shared experience. It is truly appreciated....
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... |
| From: | woodflier(at)aol.com |
Just a question for those of you experimenting with iPads and smartphones..
I'm guessing that you have a 12-volt battery source to keep the device cha
rged. I have an Android phone, and am thinking about an iPad, probably an o
lder one off eBay, but wondered about the internal battery life. I know whe
n I use the Android for GPS nav in the car, it kills it pretty quickly unle
ss it's plugged into a car charger.
That said, I navigated to Brodhead in 2011 just with trip-tics and pilotage
, and it was a lot of fun. But the weather was perfect and I didn't have to
deviate from the planned course line at all. This past year, with all the
weather in the midwest, my track to Brodhead looked like a snake. I was gla
d to have had an old Garmin 90 with me. Folded charts are a disaster in a P
iet cockpit.
I've had flashbacks to Jimmy Stewart in "The Spirit of St. Louis" flying lo
w and yelling "Which way to Ireland???"
Matt Paxton
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| From: | "Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... |
I use the iPad II in my Seneca. Lasts 8 hours. With ForeFlight I have a
great moving map and all the approach plats a fella could need.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
woodflier(at)aol.com
Sent: November 16, 2012 10:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos....
Just a question for those of you experimenting with iPads and
smartphones.. I'm guessing that you have a 12-volt battery source to keep
the device charged. I have an Android phone, and am thinking about an
iPad, probably an older one off eBay, but wondered about the internal
battery life. I know when I use the Android for GPS nav in the car, it
kills it pretty quickly unless it's plugged into a car charger.
That said, I navigated to Brodhead in 2011 just with trip-tics and
pilotage, and it was a lot of fun. But the weather was perfect and I
didn't have to deviate from the planned course line at all. This past
year, with all the weather in the midwest, my track to Brodhead looked
like a snake. I was glad to have had an old Garmin 90 with me. Folded
charts are a disaster in a Piet cockpit.
I've had flashbacks to Jimmy Stewart in "The Spirit of St. Louis" flying
low and yelling "Which way to Ireland???"
Matt Paxton
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... |
3 navigation systems that I have discssed with computer and flying gurus are
iPad based
WingX Has a lot of features about $99 per year
Foreflight easier for Luddites $70 for basic $140 per year for delux
New player on the market is Anywhere map by control vision. they will sell you a complete 7inch (smaller) android based system (NOT iPad) with internal GPS antenna for $800 with a LIFETIME supply data. They also offer iPad programs. www.controlvision.com
Boy that muddys the water.
I am in the middle of trying to decide if I want the iPad (more applications availible.)
or an Android based tablet.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: woodflier(at)aol.com
Date: Friday, November 16, 2012 9:18
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos....
> Just a question for those of you experimenting with iPads and
> smartphones.. I'm guessing that you have a 12-volt battery source
> to keep the device charged. I have an Android phone, and am
> thinking about an iPad, probably an older one off eBay, but
> wondered about the internal battery life. I know when I use the
> Android for GPS nav in the car, it kills it pretty quickly unless
> it's plugged into a car charger.
>
> That said, I navigated to Brodhead in 2011 just with trip-tics and
> pilotage, and it was a lot of fun. But the weather was perfect and
> I didn't have to deviate from the planned course line at all. This
> past year, with all the weather in the midwest, my track to
> Brodhead looked like a snake. I was glad to have had an old Garmin
> 90 with me. Folded charts are a disaster in a Piet cockpit.
>
> I've had flashbacks to Jimmy Stewart in "The Spirit of St. Louis"
> flying low and yelling "Which way to Ireland???"
>
> Matt Paxton
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| Subject: | Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
During the last two years, I've made numerous cross countries using the iPad with
ForeFlight. I'm fact, during the free 30 day trial, a buddy and I flew in
the Diamond DA20 I use, and compared ForeFlight against the Garmin 430 in the
panel. Our 2 hr flight at various altitudes showed us that the variation in ground
speed between the two devices was +/- 0.5kts, while course variation was
+/- 1 degree. What's not to like with these numbers?
Due to the arcane complexity of the Garmin, i.e., knobs, buttons, pages, etc.,
the Garmin is very easy to forget how to use if you make a cross country every
3 to 6 weeks. When I'm using flight following coming back into Class B airspace,
ease of use and robust functionality mean a lot to me. Another consideration
is that it's in the plane; not at your desk or in your hands while you're
at home. You can view the online videos that ForeFlight has produced to quickly
familiarize yourself with the product, without the pressure of ATC's demands
and directives. Once airborne, you're very familiar with the use of the device,
and how to access all of it's functions.
ForeFlight, with it's intuitive method of simply touching some very easy to remember
icons, of which there are only 8 or so, lets you quickly get to the item
you're looking for. Not so with the Garmin.
When you upgrade after the trial period, and log onto your iTunes account, an added
benefit is that iTunes automatically adds ForeFlight to your iPhone.
For my $75 bucks a year, I'll never buy another sectional again. Never again need
to race to an FBO prior to closing to get a sectional for a 5:30 am departure...
Oh, and one last item, the battery life on the iPad 2 is over 10 hours.
In 10+ flights this has performed flawlessly.
Just my $0.02.
--------
Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Didn't quite straighten the hook... |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Ok, for everyone who has shown so much interest in my engine run, I just did my
first full-power run up with the "BH Pietenpol Official Fish Scale"
The results were....
It turned up 1980rpm, and the scale read 285lbs!
Don't know what this tells us other than a propeller comparison with other Model
A Piets. I need to get home and look up Mr Pietenpol's recommended static rpm,
I can't remember the number. My prop is a Cloudcars scimitar 40 pitch, 76
diameter.
Gene Rambo
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| From: | Max Hegler <maxhegler(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... |
I tried Control Vision Anywhere Map several years ago when they used a Wind
ows based tablet computer. The first computer continually locked up=2C so t
hey installed Windows 7. Then it only locked up about half the time. I sent
it back a second time and they sent me a new computer. It would take as lo
ng as 30 minutes to lock onto the GPS satellites would lose the signal if I
moved it form the top of the instrument panel. Disgusted I returned it and
they refunded my purchase price less a 15% restocking fee. The system cost
$2195. I then bought the 1st generation IPad and WingX Pro and it has work
ed flawlessly. Locks on to the satellites in about 10 seconds (I use the in
ternal receiver). I have never had a need for a separate GPS receiver. The
IPad and WingX Pro cost about 1/3 what the Control Vision cost at the time.
I don't recommend Control Vision.
Max
> From: steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Fri=2C 16 Nov 2012 10:52:28 -0600
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: iPads=2C iPhones=2C iDunnos....
>
"
>
> 3 navigation systems that I have discssed with computer and flying gurus
are
>
> iPad based
> WingX Has a lot of features about $99 per year
> Foreflight easier for Luddites $70 for basic $140 per year for delux
>
> New player on the market is Anywhere map by control vision. they will sel
l you a complete 7inch (smaller) android based system (NOT iPad) with inter
nal GPS antenna for $800 with a LIFETIME supply data. They also offer iPad
programs. www.controlvision.com
>
> Boy that muddys the water.
>
> I am in the middle of trying to decide if I want the iPad (more applicati
ons availible.) or an Android based tablet.
>
> Blue Skies=2C
> Steve D
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: woodflier(at)aol.com
> Date: Friday=2C November 16=2C 2012 9:18
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: iPads=2C iPhones=2C iDunnos....
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> > Just a question for those of you experimenting with iPads and
> > smartphones.. I'm guessing that you have a 12-volt battery source
> > to keep the device charged. I have an Android phone=2C and am
> > thinking about an iPad=2C probably an older one off eBay=2C but
> > wondered about the internal battery life. I know when I use the
> > Android for GPS nav in the car=2C it kills it pretty quickly unless
> > it's plugged into a car charger.
> >
> > That said=2C I navigated to Brodhead in 2011 just with trip-tics and
> > pilotage=2C and it was a lot of fun. But the weather was perfect and
> > I didn't have to deviate from the planned course line at all. This
> > past year=2C with all the weather in the midwest=2C my track to
> > Brodhead looked like a snake. I was glad to have had an old Garmin
> > 90 with me. Folded charts are a disaster in a Piet cockpit.
> >
> > I've had flashbacks to Jimmy Stewart in "The Spirit of St. Louis"
> > flying low and yelling "Which way to Ireland???"
> >
> > Matt Paxton
>
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| Subject: | Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook... |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
Gene,
Congrats!
>From part I of the Model A text in the manual the family sells:
"We recommend the engine to turn over at 1750 RPM on the ground and cruise
at 1650 RPM in the air, although they will turn up to 1900 RPM in the air
at full throttle flight. However cruising at 1650 reduces the amount of
maintenance that is required for the engine."
Ryan
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:
>
> Ok, for everyone who has shown so much interest in my engine run, I just
> did my first full-power run up with the "BH Pietenpol Official Fish Scale"
>
> The results were....
>
> It turned up 1980rpm, and the scale read 285lbs!
>
> Don't know what this tells us other than a propeller comparison with other
> Model A Piets. I need to get home and look up Mr Pietenpol's recommended
> static rpm, I can't remember the number. My prop is a Cloudcars scimitar
> 40 pitch, 76 diameter.
>
> Gene Rambo
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook... |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Gene,
Your airplane will take-off and fly, that is a certainty with these results
. Congratulations !!!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 16, 2012 3:42 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Didn't quite straighten the hook...
Ok, for everyone who has shown so much interest in my engine run, I just di
d my
first full-power run up with the "BH Pietenpol Official Fish Scale"
The results were....
It turned up 1980rpm, and the scale read 285lbs!
Don't know what this tells us other than a propeller comparison with other
Model
A Piets. I need to get home and look up Mr Pietenpol's recommended static
rpm,
I can't remember the number. My prop is a Cloudcars scimitar 40 pitch, 76
diameter.
Gene Rambo
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| Subject: | Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook... |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Lol, wasn't worried whether it would fly, curious whether I was in line with
other folks. Might be turning a little high, surprising with a 40P, we'll s
ee next spring how it flys. I'll try the scale thing again after running a b
it more unless someone else needs the "official" scale!!
Gene Rambo
On Nov 16, 2012, at 6:35 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Gene,
>
> Your airplane will take-off and fly, that is a certainty with these result
s. Congratulations !!!!!!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Fri, Nov 16, 2012 3:42 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Didn't quite straighten the hook...
>
>
> Ok, for everyone who has shown so much interest in my engine run, I just d
id my
> first full-power run up with the "BH Pietenpol Official Fish Scale"
>
> The results were....
>
> It turned up 1980rpm, and the scale read 285lbs!
>
> Don't know what this tells us other than a propeller comparison with other
Model
> A Piets. I need to get home and look up Mr Pietenpol's recommended static
rpm,
> I can't remember the number. My prop is a Cloudcars scimitar 40 pitch, 76
> diameter.
>
> Gene Rambo
>
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... |
Try folding charts in an ultrlight! I just foled them in the direction of
flight and folded one flap over and the other under as I went. Of course a
t a 30kt cruise and 5gal of gas that usually wasn't far.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: iPads=2C iPhones=2C iDunnos....
From: woodflier(at)aol.com
Date: Fri=2C 16 Nov 2012 10:10:32 -0500
Just a question for those of you experimenting with iPads and smartphones..
I'm guessing that you have a 12-volt battery source to keep the device cha
rged. I have an Android phone=2C and am thinking about an iPad=2C probably
an older one off eBay=2C but wondered about the internal battery life. I kn
ow when I use the Android for GPS nav in the car=2C it kills it pretty quic
kly unless it's plugged into a car charger.
That said=2C I navigated to Brodhead in 2011 just with trip-tics and pilota
ge=2C and it was a lot of fun. But the weather was perfect and I didn't hav
e to deviate from the planned course line at all. This past year=2C with al
l the weather in the midwest=2C my track to Brodhead looked like a snake. I
was glad to have had an old Garmin 90 with me. Folded charts are a disaste
r in a Piet cockpit.
I've had flashbacks to Jimmy Stewart in "The Spirit of St. Louis" flying lo
w and yelling "Which way to Ireland???"
Matt Paxton
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
I am seriously considering building some 4130 tailfethers for the GN-1. I would
really be interested in knowing what the weight differences would be...which
is really heavier. If wood is lighter, I would just keep wood taifeathers. Anybody
know? Thanks in advance..
Larry
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388152#388152
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| Subject: | Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
I have ForeFlight as a trinket on my ipad/iphone. I flew 4.1hrs one day with it
to go pick up some spare tires/brakes, converting my GN-1 to a freighter(front
stick out). I have the little hockey puck-style gps antenna (xgps150). I just
wear my usual hawaiian shirt, put the 'puck' inside my shirt on my left shoulder,
and keep the iphone in my front pocket. Works great..figured my landing
fuel to w/in one tenth of a gallon.
Having all of this is neat stuff, but now that I have a new 406 ELT/gps's...antennae
on my center section wing. I am now thinking that it is taking away from
the magic of yesteryear and going back to the good ol' barnstorming era of Pietenpolling.
I left it all behind (including handheld) on my last sortie. I felt
the difference in enjoyment. Flying w/out the geek stuff was much more relaxing,
keeping the eyes outside to enjoy the farmlands below. This is why I wanted
the open cockpit antique-style machine in the first place.
Larry
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388153#388153
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| From: | "woodflier(at)aol.com" <woodflier(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re:J iPads, iPhones.. |
Thanks for the input. I appear to have quite a few options to consider. I
have an old iPaq- based gps/xm weather system that was pretty temperamental
but that I liked when all connections were working. I've heard great things
about Foreflight. Don't know much about WingX. Lots to learn.
Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
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| From: | "woodflier(at)aol.com" <woodflier(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re. Straightening the hooks.. |
That's great, Gene. Congratulations.
Matt
Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Congrats on those numbers Gene! Sounds like you have yourself one powerful
little "pockety-pockety-pockety" machine.
I absolutely cannot wait to see all these new planes next year, what a
blast!!
Let's all do our best to get there this year, old and new and pray for great
weather.
Douwe.
No flying. missing the last of the decent weather fashioning cooling
eyebrows. poor me :-(
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
I spent 40 hrs on my cooling eyebrows..hope you can do better!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 6:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine run up
Congrats on those numbers Gene! Sounds like you have yourself one powerful
little "pockety-pockety-pockety" machine.
I absolutely cannot wait to see all these new planes next year, what a
blast!!
Let's all do our best to get there this year, old and new and pray for great
weather.
Douwe.
No flying. missing the last of the decent weather fashioning cooling
eyebrows. poor me L
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | FW: RV10-List: OT: EAA Board |
This came in on the RV-10 list, but I thought the Pietenpol community might
be interested in it as well.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Beebe
The EAA Board had its Fall meeting yesterday. Among the items discussed,
we agreed on the next 5 years of the site development plan and
authorized money for this coming year which will build another rest room
facility near Theater in the Woods and Vintage cafe, enhance the entry
gates and start work on a new Homebuilt Village. We're going to tear
down the decrepit hangers across from the homebuilt headquarters (where
the "Federal Pavilion" and "Innovation" hangers are), remove all the
pavement, plant grass and that whole area will be where the homebuilt
exhibitors are. Homebuilt Village won't be done for this coming year but
should be for the following.
We also voted to not allow chalets on the flight line. The Aviators Club
will remain as it's proven very popular with the members.
We had a lively discussion about Sport Aviation and agreed it needs more
homebuilt content. The Homebuilt Council had a 90 minute one-on-one with
Mac about it.
There is a sub-committee working on a bunch of bylaw rewording, mostly
because the current bylaws are out of date, but also to include some
governance changes. Revamping the proxy system is also still in the
works. We agreed to set the size of the Board at 21 Class I (elected by
the members) Director--3 groups of 7 who get elected for a 3 year term.
There are 9 Class II Directors--heads of the divisions (Warbirds,
Vintage, Homebuilt Council, etc.) and the EAA President. And up to 11
Class III Directors, appointed by the Board for a 1 year term. The Bylaw
changes will be voted on at the next Annual Meeting at AirVenture.
The issue of member access to Board minutes is on the table and being
worked on. When they're available I'll let you know. There is a project
to consolidate and simplify EAA's 23(!) different web sites.
With all the staff changes, the museum has gotten short shrift of the
past couple years and that will be an area of renewed focus. A
sub-committee will be putting together a plan for our Spring meeting.
Frank Christensen's Christen Eagle II, serial number 1 is now hanging in
a place of honor in the aerobatics area of the museum. It's a very nice
display.
Finally, Jack Pelton continues to volunteer his time to guide the
organization until we can hire a new president. That process hasn't
started yet, but will shortly.
--Rick
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: RV10-List: OT: EAA Board |
HI Jack,
Thanks for passing on this information about EAA. I appreciate it.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook... |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Cool info..
three model A's all with slightly different props..
Dan's 76X46 and 260 lbs of thrust
Mine 76X42 275 lbs
Gene's 76X40 285 lbs
Good example of lower pitch giving more climb thrust...
Mr Pietenpol liked to turn the engine slower for wear but i wonder what you guys
consider as maximum rpm on the A..
with a 76 inch prop i figured 2500 rpm still had the tip speed under 75% the speed
of sound if i remember my math... of course fuel consumption would be higher
too if it would even turn that fast
Jeff
waiting on the DAR
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| Subject: | Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook... |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
What were the Rpms at these pulls?? Know mine was 1980
Gene Rambo
On Nov 17, 2012, at 1:36 PM, "bender" wrote:
>
> Cool info..
>
> three model A's all with slightly different props..
>
> Dan's 76X46 and 260 lbs of thrust
> Mine 76X42 275 lbs
> Gene's 76X40 285 lbs
>
> Good example of lower pitch giving more climb thrust...
> Mr Pietenpol liked to turn the engine slower for wear but i wonder what you guys
consider as maximum rpm on the A..
>
> with a 76 inch prop i figured 2500 rpm still had the tip speed under 75% the
speed of sound if i remember my math... of course fuel consumption would be higher
too if it would even turn that fast
>
> Jeff
> waiting on the DAR
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388170#388170
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook... |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
76X42 was turning 1750 rpm per my 1930 moth tach and showed 275 lbs of fish scale
thrust
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook... |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
So, 2" of pitch reduced rpm by 200? My old Jones tach is inaccurate, so I got
the 1980 from an electronic strobe-type tach checker. Wish we had definite comparable
numbers.
Gene Rambo
On Nov 17, 2012, at 4:51 PM, "bender" wrote:
>
> 76X42 was turning 1750 rpm per my 1930 moth tach and showed 275 lbs of fish scale
thrust
>
> jeff
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388177#388177
>
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| Subject: | Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook... |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
i could hook up an electric tach.. and see how close it is
jeff
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| From: | "Brett Phillips" <bphillip(at)SHENTEL.NET> |
| Subject: | Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook... |
I agree! This is an important topic. I'd really love to see what the
difference is between a 76 incher and say a 79 or 80 inch prop with the same
pitch and blade design. With the A's torque, I think it would handle a
larger prop well, as long as you have enough ground clearance. Gene: I
have an 80 x 34 Price prop. Want to play with it some time?
Brett Phillips
Working on Model B carbs in Strasburg, VA...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 1:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook...
-->
Cool info..
three model A's all with slightly different props..
Dan's 76X46 and 260 lbs of thrust
Mine 76X42 275 lbs
Gene's 76X40 285 lbs
Good example of lower pitch giving more climb thrust...
Mr Pietenpol liked to turn the engine slower for wear but i wonder what you
guys consider as maximum rpm on the A..
with a 76 inch prop i figured 2500 rpm still had the tip speed under 75% the
speed of sound if i remember my math... of course fuel consumption would be
higher too if it would even turn that fast
Jeff
waiting on the DAR
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| Subject: | Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook... |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Why not just use a tach check so we know its accurate? Electric tach may not be.
Gene Rambo
On Nov 17, 2012, at 5:53 PM, "bender" wrote:
>
> i could hook up an electric tach.. and see how close it is
>
> jeff
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388182#388182
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook... |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
I guess it is interesting. We know they will fly, I'm not sure we can ever get
any meaningful comparison, some have straight props, some scimitar ... Building
the database....
Gene Rambo
On Nov 17, 2012, at 6:33 PM, "Brett Phillips" wrote:
>
> I agree! This is an important topic. I'd really love to see what the
> difference is between a 76 incher and say a 79 or 80 inch prop with the same
> pitch and blade design. With the A's torque, I think it would handle a
> larger prop well, as long as you have enough ground clearance. Gene: I
> have an 80 x 34 Price prop. Want to play with it some time?
>
> Brett Phillips
> Working on Model B carbs in Strasburg, VA...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 1:37 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook...
>
> -->
>
> Cool info..
>
> three model A's all with slightly different props..
>
> Dan's 76X46 and 260 lbs of thrust
> Mine 76X42 275 lbs
> Gene's 76X40 285 lbs
>
> Good example of lower pitch giving more climb thrust...
> Mr Pietenpol liked to turn the engine slower for wear but i wonder what you
> guys consider as maximum rpm on the A..
>
> with a 76 inch prop i figured 2500 rpm still had the tip speed under 75% the
> speed of sound if i remember my math... of course fuel consumption would be
> higher too if it would even turn that fast
>
> Jeff
> waiting on the DAR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Dave Millikan <n11dmx(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook... |
don't know how to get on this site for new topic
can any body help me get ahold of Dan Helsper prop carving CD?
He's either moved or died, mail or internet doesn't work.
Dave- NX1QZ-- N11DMX(at)yahoo.com
-
Thanks- Dave
--- On Sun, 11/18/12, Gene Rambo wrote:
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook...
Date: Sunday, November 18, 2012, 12:10 AM
I guess it is interesting. We know they will fly, I'm not sure we can ever
get any meaningful comparison, some have straight props, some scimitar ...
- Building the database....
Gene Rambo
On Nov 17, 2012, at 6:33 PM, "Brett Phillips" wrote:
net>
>
> I agree!- This is an important topic.- I'd really love to see what th
e
> difference is between a 76 incher and say a 79 or 80 inch prop with the s
ame
> pitch and blade design.- With the A's torque, I think it would handle a
> larger prop well, as long as you have enough ground clearance.- Gene:
- I
> have an 80 x 34 Price prop.- Want to play with it some time?
>
> Brett Phillips
> Working on Model B carbs in Strasburg, VA...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 1:37 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook...
>
> -->
>
> Cool info..
>
> three model A's all with slightly different props..
>
> Dan's- - - 76X46 and---260 lbs of thrust
> Mine- - ---76X42- - - - - 275 lbs
> Gene's- - 76X40- - - - - 285 lbs
>
> Good example of lower pitch giving more climb thrust...
> Mr Pietenpol liked to turn the engine slower for wear but i wonder what y
ou
> guys consider as maximum rpm on the A..
>
> with a 76 inch prop i figured 2500 rpm still had the tip speed under 75%
the
> speed of sound if i remember my math... of course fuel consumption would
be
> higher too if it would even turn that fast
>
> Jeff
> waiting on the DAR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook... |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
He posted today using his address at: helspersew(at)aol.com.....try that
On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Dave Millikan wrote:
> don't know how to get on this site for new topic
> can any body help me get ahold of Dan Helsper prop carving CD?
> He's either moved or died, mail or internet doesn't work.
> Dave NX1QZ N11DMX(at)yahoo.com
>
> Thanks Dave
>
> --- On *Sun, 11/18/12, Gene Rambo * wrote:
>
>
> From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook...
> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
> Date: Sunday, November 18, 2012, 12:10 AM
>
> >
>
> I guess it is interesting. We know they will fly, I'm not sure we can ever
> get any meaningful comparison, some have straight props, some scimitar ...
> Building the database....
>
> Gene Rambo
>
> On Nov 17, 2012, at 6:33 PM, "Brett Phillips" http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bphillip@shentel.net>>
> wrote:
>
> bphillip@shentel.net<http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bphillip@shentel.net>
> >
> >
> > I agree! This is an important topic. I'd really love to see what the
> > difference is between a 76 incher and say a 79 or 80 inch prop with the
> same
> > pitch and blade design. With the A's torque, I think it would handle a
> > larger prop well, as long as you have enough ground clearance. Gene: I
> > have an 80 x 34 Price prop. Want to play with it some time?
> >
> > Brett Phillips
> > Working on Model B carbs in Strasburg, VA...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com<http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com<http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>]
> On Behalf Of bender
> > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 1:37 PM
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook...
> >
> > --> http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
> >
> >
> > Cool info..
> >
> > three model A's all with slightly different props..
> >
> > Dan's 76X46 and 260 lbs of thrust
> > Mine 76X42 275 lbs
> > Gene's 76X40 285 lbs
> >
> > Good example of lower pitch giving more climb thrust...
> > Mr Pietenpol liked to turn the engine slower for wear but i wonder what
> you
> > guys consider as maximum rpm on the A..
> >
> > with a 76 inch prop i figured 2500 rpm still had the tip speed under 75%
> the
> > speed of sound if i remember my math... of course fuel consumption would
> be
> > higher too if it would even turn that fast
> >
> > Jeff
> > waiting on the DAR
> >
> > bsp; this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts nbsp; --> http://="http://forums.matronics.com/"
> target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.c================
>
>
> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook... |
He was on this email chain earlier today. Dan doesn't like everyone having
his email, so keep this to yourself: helspersew(at)aol.com
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Millikan
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook...
don't know how to get on this site for new topic
can any body help me get ahold of Dan Helsper prop carving CD?
He's either moved or died, mail or internet doesn't work.
Dave NX1QZ N11DMX(at)yahoo.com
Thanks Dave
--- On Sun, 11/18/12, Gene Rambo wrote:
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook...
Date: Sunday, November 18, 2012, 12:10 AM
<http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=generambo@msn.com> >
I guess it is interesting. We know they will fly, I'm not sure we can ever
get any meaningful comparison, some have straight props, some scimitar ...
Building the database....
Gene Rambo
On Nov 17, 2012, at 6:33 PM, "Brett Phillips" http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bphillip@shentel.net> >
wrote:
http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bphillip@shentel.net> >
>
> I agree! This is an important topic. I'd really love to see what the
> difference is between a 76 incher and say a 79 or 80 inch prop with the
same
> pitch and blade design. With the A's torque, I think it would handle a
> larger prop well, as long as you have enough ground clearance. Gene: I
> have an 80 x 34 Price prop. Want to play with it some time?
>
> Brett Phillips
> Working on Model B carbs in Strasburg, VA...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
<http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-pietenpol-list-server@m
atronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
<http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-pietenpol-list-server@m
atronics.com> ] On Behalf Of bender
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 1:37 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
<http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook...
>
> --> http://us.mc1133.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
>
>
> Cool info..
>
> three model A's all with slightly different props..
>
> Dan's 76X46 and 260 lbs of thrust
> Mine 76X42 275 lbs
> Gene's 76X40 285 lbs
>
> Good example of lower pitch giving more climb thrust...
> Mr Pietenpol liked to turn the engine slower for wear but i wonder what
you
> guys consider as maximum rpm on the A..
>
> with a 76 inch prop i figured 2500 rpm still had the tip speed under 75%
the
> speed of sound if i remember my math... of course fuel consumption would
be
> higher too if it would even turn that fast
>
> Jeff
> waiting on the DAR
>
> bsp; this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts nbsp; --> http://
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution> "http://forums.matronics.com/"
target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.c================
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| Subject: | Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook... |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
HEY! The 260 lbs Official Fish-Scale thrust for N929DH was @ 1860 RPM (elec
tronic strobe-type tach), just for Y'all's information. The infamous prop-c
arving CD you are referring to is available at multiple locations.....Aircr
aftspruce.com and www.actechbooks.com Supply is limited......act fast...
.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sat, Nov 17, 2012 7:42 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook...
He was on this email chain earlier today. Dan doesn=99t like everyone
having his email, so keep this to yourself: helspersew(at)aol.com
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Millikan
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook...
don't know how to get on this site for new topic
can any body help me get ahold of Dan Helsper prop carving CD?
He's either moved or died, mail or internet doesn't work.
Dave NX1QZ N11DMX(at)yahoo.com
Thanks Dave
--- On Sun, 11/18/12, Gene Rambo wrote:
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook...
Date: Sunday, November 18, 2012, 12:10 AM
I guess it is interesting. We know they will fly, I'm not sure we can ever
get any meaningful comparison, some have straight props, some scimitar ...
Building the database....
Gene Rambo
On Nov 17, 2012, at 6:33 PM, "Brett Phillips" wrote:
net>
>
> I agree! This is an important topic. I'd really love to see what the
> difference is between a 76 incher and say a 79 or 80 inch prop with the s
ame
> pitch and blade design. With the A's torque, I think it would handle a
> larger prop well, as long as you have enough ground clearance. Gene: I
> have an 80 x 34 Price prop. Want to play with it some time?
>
> Brett Phillips
> Working on Model B carbs in Strasburg, VA...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 1:37 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook...
>
> -->
>
> Cool info..
>
> three model A's all with slightly different props..
>
> Dan's 76X46 and 260 lbs of thrust
> Mine 76X42 275 lbs
> Gene's 76X40 285 lbs
>
> Good example of lower pitch giving more climb thrust...
> Mr Pietenpol liked to turn the engine slower for wear but i wonder what y
ou
> guys consider as maximum rpm on the A..
>
> with a 76 inch prop i figured 2500 rpm still had the tip speed under 75%
the
> speed of sound if i remember my math... of course fuel consumption would
be
> higher too if it would even turn that fast
>
> Jeff
> waiting on the DAR
>
> bsp; this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts nbsp; --> http://="http
://forums.matronics.com/" target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.c==
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| Subject: | Re: composite cooling eyebrows |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Piper-J3-Cub-L4-Pietenpool-Eyebrows-Baffles-Continental-C65-C85-etc-/170942896011?pt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&hash=item27ccfd978b&vxp=mtr
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| Subject: | Re: composite cooling eyebrows |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Won't be able to tell
after they are painted!
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey,
What ever happened to Vi Kapler's Ford Piet he finished a couple years ago.
He showed it to me two or three years ago and I haven't heard anything
since.
Anyone know?
Douwe
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| From: | Perry <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net> |
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| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
Vi is flying his ship! He said he has a couple of hours on her and that he is
waiting for another nice warm day to fly again. He reports a couple of minor
oil leaks that he say's the model A's are famous for. He say's it fly's real
good. That's about all I could yank out of him. If you know Vi, You know he
is a man of few words ...
Dan
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Well, I'm shocked and surprised that Steve Dortch hasn't posted anything to the
list bragging about how he played a big part in removing the wings, struts, and
brace cables from Scout, or about how he directed the loading and securing
of the fuselage in the back of the van, or about how he regaled the assembled
crowds with stories of flying his dancing V-tail Bonanza.
He should, because all of that is true.
Steve: thank you from the bottom of my heart for being such a warm, personable,
and enthusiastic pilot, Pieter, and friend. I'm writing this from the Quality
Inn in Gallup, NM (almost 1000 mi. into my trip) and when I checked just before
retiring to my room for the night, it almost appears that not even a molecule
of dust in the back of the van has shifted one millimeter since I drove away
from the hangar at 4PM on Saturday afternoon. You fellows did an exemplary
job, and Scout and I will appreciate it for as long as we're around to remember.
Couple of pictures attached. Steve and one of his kids are the ones up in the
box guiding Scout into the the van after we lifted the airplane up by its mains
using the nifty lift on the back. Highly recommended way to do it!
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: moving Scout |
Oscar, If you have a chance tonight after you get to where ever you're
going, will you answer a couple of questions? I possibly will need to move
my Piet project soon (possibly about 75 miles). What size van did you use?
I assume you rented it. If so, from whom? Would I have access to the same
company in North Carolina? Did you have to fasten the wheel chocks to the
floor of the van? If so how? If you screwed or nailed them down, do you
think the people who own the van would object to holes in the floor? I
guess that is about all the questions I can think of right now. Thanks,
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 12:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: moving Scout
>
> Well, I'm shocked and surprised that Steve Dortch hasn't posted anything
> to the list bragging about how he played a big part in removing the wings,
> struts, and brace cables from Scout, or about how he directed the loading
> and securing of the fuselage in the back of the van, or about how he
> regaled the assembled crowds with stories of flying his dancing V-tail
> Bonanza.
>
> He should, because all of that is true.
>
> Steve: thank you from the bottom of my heart for being such a warm,
> personable, and enthusiastic pilot, Pieter, and friend. I'm writing this
> from the Quality Inn in Gallup, NM (almost 1000 mi. into my trip) and when
> I checked just before retiring to my room for the night, it almost appears
> that not even a molecule of dust in the back of the van has shifted one
> millimeter since I drove away from the hangar at 4PM on Saturday
> afternoon. You fellows did an exemplary job, and Scout and I will
> appreciate it for as long as we're around to remember.
>
> Couple of pictures attached. Steve and one of his kids are the ones up in
> the box guiding Scout into the the van after we lifted the airplane up by
> its mains using the nifty lift on the back. Highly recommended way to do
> it!
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388237#388237
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/steve_piet2_549.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/steve_piet_624.jpg
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Chuck,
I'm sure Oscar can provide a much more detailed response, but here are some
pics of my move last Summer. My rolling wing rack anchored to the side of
the van, as did the r. wheel. Chocks were merely tied to each other so they
wouldn't shift, and no need to attach to the floor. When you go to any
rental place, or view their web site, the will list the dimensions of the
van's box. Be aware that the 'height' is at the box ceiling, not at the
door! It's fairly important to get thru the door first! ;-) By letting
almost all the air out of my tires, I just barely made it!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of C N Campbell
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: moving Scout
-->
Oscar, If you have a chance tonight after you get to where ever you're
going, will you answer a couple of questions? I possibly will need to move
my Piet project soon (possibly about 75 miles). What size van did you use?
I assume you rented it. If so, from whom? Would I have access to the same
company in North Carolina? Did you have to fasten the wheel chocks to the
floor of the van? If so how? If you screwed or nailed them down, do you
think the people who own the van would object to holes in the floor? I
guess that is about all the questions I can think of right now. Thanks,
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 12:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: moving Scout
>
> Well, I'm shocked and surprised that Steve Dortch hasn't posted anything
> to the list bragging about how he played a big part in removing the wings,
> struts, and brace cables from Scout, or about how he directed the loading
> and securing of the fuselage in the back of the van, or about how he
> regaled the assembled crowds with stories of flying his dancing V-tail
> Bonanza.
>
> He should, because all of that is true.
>
> Steve: thank you from the bottom of my heart for being such a warm,
> personable, and enthusiastic pilot, Pieter, and friend. I'm writing this
> from the Quality Inn in Gallup, NM (almost 1000 mi. into my trip) and when
> I checked just before retiring to my room for the night, it almost appears
> that not even a molecule of dust in the back of the van has shifted one
> millimeter since I drove away from the hangar at 4PM on Saturday
> afternoon. You fellows did an exemplary job, and Scout and I will
> appreciate it for as long as we're around to remember.
>
> Couple of pictures attached. Steve and one of his kids are the ones up in
> the box guiding Scout into the the van after we lifted the airplane up by
> its mains using the nifty lift on the back. Highly recommended way to do
> it!
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388237#388237
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/steve_piet2_549.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/steve_piet_624.jpg
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: moving Scout |
Steve Dortch here, Aircraft mover services. Oscar actually had an opininated old
fellow there who had moved many airplanes. He had some great techiniques.
First, He used an old tow strap. Heavy duty. We used pretty good sized screws with
washers. The screw/washer was run directly through the cloth on the tow strap
and into the wood floor. They ran from the floor, up over the bottom part
of the main landing gear, just inside the axle and back down to the floor. On
the tailwheel, it ran from the floor was wrapped around the spring on the tailwheel
close to the wheel and screwed into the floor. One strap did all three wheels
without cutting it.
On the mains there was a 2x4 on edge on each side of each main wheel. a pretty
good sized (6x6) chock was wedged behind the main wheel and screwed in. The screws
were put in at an angle. After everything was secured the front (6x6) chock
was firmly pushed into place and screwed in. This allowed the aircraft suspension
to flex some and yet the fuselage was secure.
NOTE, make sure people don't rush. Some of the guys were wanting to hurry and has
some slightly unsatisfactory ideas on what to do. One guy wanted to pick the
plane up by hand and put it in that way. Oscar nixed that idea and using the
powered rear ramp that went up helped a lot. The most nervious time was people
pushing and pulling the plane on the truck loading ramp. I sure was worried
about scratching his pretty propellor.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
My boy is sure upset that he did not get to fly in Scout. (He is a "Wing Nut")
----- Original Message -----
From: C N Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Date: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:03
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: moving Scout
>
> Oscar, If you have a chance tonight after you get to where ever you're going,
will you answer a couple of questions? I possibly will need to move
> my Piet project soon (possibly about 75 miles). What size van did
> you use? I assume you rented it. If so, from whom? Would I have
> access to the same company in North Carolina? Did you have to
> fasten the wheel chocks to the floor of the van? If so how? If
> you screwed or nailed them down, do you think the people who own
> the van would object to holes in the floor? I guess that is about
> all the questions I can think of right now. Thanks, Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags" <
> To: <
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 12:33 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: moving Scout
>
>
> >
> >Well, I'm shocked and surprised that Steve Dortch hasn't posted anything to
the list bragging about how he played a big part in removing the wings, struts,
and brace cables from Scout, or about how he directed the loading and securing
of the fuselage in the back of the van, or about how he regaled the assembled
crowds with stories of flying his dancing V-tail Bonanza.
> >
> >He should, because all of that is true.
> >
> >Steve: thank you from the bottom of my heart for being such a warm, personable,
and enthusiastic pilot, Pieter, and friend. I'm writing this from the Quality
Inn in Gallup, NM (almost 1000 mi. into my trip) and when I checked just
before retiring to my room for the night, it almost appears that not even a molecule
of dust in the back of the van has shifted one millimeter since I drove
away from the hangar at 4PM on Saturday afternoon. You fellows did an exemplary
job, and Scout and I will appreciate it for as long as we're around to remember.
> >
> >Couple of pictures attached. Steve and one of his kids are the ones up in the
box guiding Scout into the the van after we lifted the airplane up by its mains
using the nifty lift on the back. Highly recommended way to do it!
> >
> >--------
> >Oscar Zuniga
> >Medford, OR
> >Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> >A75 power
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388237#388237
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Attachments:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com//files/steve_piet2_549.jpg
> >http://forums.matronics.com//files/steve_piet_624.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
He plans to fly again this week one day. If he calls I will drive over and get
a couple of photo's to post.
Dan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388336#388336
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: moving Scout |
In a message dated 11/19/2012 9:14:24 A.M. Central Standard Time,
gboothe5(at)comcast.net writes:
Chuck,
I'm sure Oscar can provide a much more detailed response, but here are some
pics of my move last Summer. My rolling wing rack anchored to the side of
the van, as did the r. wheel. Chocks were merely tied to each other so they
wouldn't shift, and no need to attach to the floor. When you go to any
rental place, or view their web site, the will list the dimensions of the
van's box. Be aware that the 'height' is at the box ceiling, not at the
door! It's fairly important to get thru the door first! ;-) By letting
almost all the air out of my tires, I just barely made it!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of C N
Campbell
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: moving Scout
-->
Oscar, If you have a chance tonight after you get to where ever you're
going, will you answer a couple of questions? I possibly will need to move
my Piet project soon (possibly about 75 miles). What size van did you
use?
I assume you rented it. If so, from whom? Would I have access to the
same
company in North Carolina? Did you have to fasten the wheel chocks to the
floor of the van? If so how? If you screwed or nailed them down, do you
think the people who own the van would object to holes in the floor? I
guess that is about all the questions I can think of right now. Thanks,
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 12:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: moving Scout
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "taildrags"
>
> Well, I'm shocked and surprised that Steve Dortch hasn't posted anything
> to the list bragging about how he played a big part in removing the
wings,
> struts, and brace cables from Scout, or about how he directed the
loading
> and securing of the fuselage in the back of the van, or about how he
> regaled the assembled crowds with stories of flying his dancing V-tail
> Bonanza.
>
> He should, because all of that is true.
>
> Steve: thank you from the bottom of my heart for being such a warm,
> personable, and enthusiastic pilot, Pieter, and friend. I'm writing
this
> from the Quality Inn in Gallup, NM (almost 1000 mi. into my trip) and
when
> I checked just before retiring to my room for the night, it almost
appears
> that not even a molecule of dust in the back of the van has shifted one
> millimeter since I drove away from the hangar at 4PM on Saturday
> afternoon. You fellows did an exemplary job, and Scout and I will
> appreciate it for as long as we're around to remember.
>
> Couple of pictures attached. Steve and one of his kids are the ones up
in
> the box guiding Scout into the the van after we lifted the airplane up
by
> its mains using the nifty lift on the back. Highly recommended way to
do
> it!
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388237#388237
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/steve_piet2_549.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/steve_piet_624.jpg
>
>
>
Oscar,
Why didn't you let me know you wanted the Piet in Oregon as I would have
been happy to have flown it there for you. It would have given me the
opportunity to view our beautiful snowie west. Always wanted to fly that leg from
Santa Fe-Durango-Salt LakeCity in a Piet.You just want all the fun for
yourself
Corky
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: moving Scout |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Corky: I'm sorry I didn't mention that I wanted the plane moved. Next time, I
will. Oh, by the way: my wife has been telling me that she would like to see
the Inca ruins at Machu Picchu. When can you have the airplane down there so
I can fly her over the ruins?
;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388385#388385
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: moving Scout |
In a message dated 11/20/2012 12:21:54 A.M. Central Standard Time,
taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "taildrags"
Corky: I'm sorry I didn't mention that I wanted the plane moved. Next
time, I will. Oh, by the way: my wife has been telling me that she would like
to see the Inca ruins at Machu Picchu. When can you have the airplane
down there so I can fly her over the ruins?
;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388385#388385
I'll try
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I just arrived home in Medford a while ago=2C safe and sound (Scout=2C too)
. A very nice journey=2C but it sure was windy up in N. California today!!
! Good thing it was from the south... I had a tailwind all day. Total dis
tance traveled=2C 2051 miles so cutting across the Nevada desert saved me a
bout 150 miles and truthfully=2C I enjoy the drive out that way. I got to
see some live-fire bombing practice by jets out of Fallon and the other mil
itary sites out there are always intriguing anyway. Now to get the plane u
nloaded and safely hangared. Oh=2C and in reply to Chuck's questions about
the van=2C see below.
-Oscar
>What size van did you use?
It's a 26 ft. Penske moving van. The 22 footer rents for the same as a 26
footer=2C so I opted for the larger one but that's because I had other stuf
f to move in there. The wing panels are only 13 ft. long and the fuselage
will fit in a 22 ft. van=2C although snug. For a 75 mile move=2C I wouldn
't even consider it... find a 16 ft. flatbed trailer and load it up. Fits
perfectly=3B I've done it before=3B see last picture here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/incident/incident.html
>I assume you rented it. If so=2C from whom? Would I have access to the sam
e
company in North Carolina?
Penske. Yes=2C you should have access to the same outfit. I opted for Pen
ske for several reasons... their vans are turbo diesels=2C while the UHauls
are all gasoline. In the mountains=2C it makes a difference and for long
runs out West=2C it makes a big difference. But again=2C you needn't rent
a moving van just to move 75 miles... it's way too expensive.
>Did you have to fasten the wheel chocks to the
floor of the van? If so how?
I didn't have to=2C but it was recommended to me that I did=2C and I am VER
Y glad that I did! Every time I go over a bridge at highway speeds=2C or w
rinkles in the pavement=2C the rig jumps around and if things weren't secur
ed=2C it would not have held the airplane in place. We secured the chocks
and straps to the oak floor of the van with deck screws=2C and I'll bet tha
t the screw holes will not be noticeable when I remove the screws and smoot
h things down. It's a moving van=2C and the floor gets a lot of wear and t
ear. I don't intend to leave it rough though.
>If you screwed or nailed them down=2C do you
think the people who own the van would object to holes in the floor?
I'll let them inspect it when I'm done and go from there. They don't provi
de D-rings or tie-downs on the floor of the van and it's a shame because we
could really have used them to keep the plane from moving fore and aft tha
t way. Our field adaptation worked perfectly though.
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: moving Scout |
Glad You arrived safely with no damage to Scout. Sure would have been a fun cross
country flight, but you would have needed to be able to take a long time for
weather. I am sure that Scout will love the cooler temps up North.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 23:17
Subject: Pietenpol-List: moving Scout
>
> I just arrived home in Medford a while ago, safe and sound (Scout,
> too). A very nice journey, but it sure was windy up in N.
> California today!!! Good thing it was from the south... I had a
> tailwind all day. Total distance traveled, 2051 miles so cutting
> across the Nevada desert saved me about 150 miles and truthfully,
> I enjoy the drive out that way. I got to see some live-fire
> bombing practice by jets out of Fallon and the other military
> sites out there are always intriguing anyway. Now to get the
> plane unloaded and safely hangared. Oh, and in reply to Chuck's
> questions about the van, see below.
>
> -Oscar
>
>
>
>
>
> >What size van did you use?
>
> It's a 26 ft. Penske moving van. The 22 footer rents for the same
> as a 26 footer, so I opted for the larger one but that's because I
> had other stuff to move in there. The wing panels are only 13 ft.
> long and the fuselage will fit in a 22 ft. van, although snug.
> For a 75 mile move, I wouldn't even consider it... find a 16 ft.
> flatbed trailer and load it up. Fits perfectly; I've done it
> before; see last picture here:
>
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/incident/incident.html
>
>
> >I assume you rented it. If so, from whom? Would I have access to
> the same
>
> company in North Carolina?
>
> Penske. Yes, you should have access to the same outfit. I opted
> for Penske for several reasons... their vans are turbo diesels,
> while the UHauls are all gasoline. In the mountains, it makes a
> difference and for long runs out West, it makes a big difference.
> But again, you needn't rent a moving van just to move 75 miles...
> it's way too expensive.
>
> >Did you have to fasten the wheel chocks to the
> floor of the van? If so how?
>
> I didn't have to, but it was recommended to me that I did, and I
> am VERY glad that I did! Every time I go over a bridge at highway
> speeds, or wrinkles in the pavement, the rig jumps around and if
> things weren't secured, it would not have held the airplane in
> place. We secured the chocks and straps to the oak floor of the
> van with deck screws, and I'll bet that the screw holes will not
> be noticeable when I remove the screws and smooth things down.
> It's a moving van, and the floor gets a lot of wear and tear. I
> don't intend to leave it rough though.
>
> >If you screwed or nailed them down, do you
> think the people who own the van would object to holes in the floor?
>
> I'll let them inspect it when I'm done and go from there. They
> don't provide D-rings or tie-downs on the floor of the van and
> it's a shame because we could really have used them to keep the
> plane from moving fore and aft that way. Our field adaptation
> worked perfectly though.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: moving Scout |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Congratulation on the safe move.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL.
Cheers,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
I'm way ahead of myself here but a friend gave me this panel. Are these gauges
the size, voltage, etc. that I could use in my Pietenpol? If so would it be
best to have them looked at by a rebuild shop to verify that they work? Just
asking.....
John
--------
John Francis
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
John:
The clock and the altimeter, at least, should be usable if they work. You can
beg a ride with someone and take the altimeter along with you to confirm that
it agrees with the one in the plane. If it does not then a trip to the instrument
shop is in order. That doesn't come cheap but a lot cheaper than buying
a new one. A lot of the other stuff on that panel would just look silly on a
Piet panel anyway. 8^).
Just my 2 cents (Probably only worth about 1 cent these days.)
Tom Stinemetze
>>> "John Francis" 11/21/2012 9:15 AM >>>
I'm way ahead of myself here but a friend gave me this panel. Are these gauges
the size, voltage, etc. that I could use in my Pietenpol? If so would it be
best to have them looked at by a rebuild shop to verify that they work? Just
asking.....
John
--------
John Francis
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| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Thanks, Tom. Do you think the other gauges have any value?
--------
John Francis
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| From: | Bkemike <bkemike(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: moving Scout |
Oscar, are you going to give Corky a chance to revive his ping-pong ball flo
tation scheme? The short route to Peru crosses some bodies of water.
Sent from an Apple iThingie.
On Nov 20, 2012, at 5:59 AM, Isablcorky(at)aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 11/20/2012 12:21:54 A.M. Central Standard Time, taildra
gs(at)hotmail.com writes:
>
> Corky: I'm sorry I didn't mention that I wanted the plane moved. Next tim
e, I will. Oh, by the way: my wife has been telling me that she would like t
o see the Inca ruins at Machu Picchu. When can you have the airplane down t
here so I can fly her over the ruins?
>
> ;o)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388385#388385
>
>
> I'll try
>
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| Subject: | Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 |
| From: | John Egan <1smilingmoon(at)gmail.com> |
Piet Builders,
I would like to learn what is the traditional method to route a throttle
control cable to a Stromberg NA-S3A1 carb on an A65 Continental, and what
type of cable is typically used. I assume something like a "A-920 Push
Pull Cable" may be a preferred cable? My understanding is that the cable
typically gets routed on the right side of the carb, above the oil tank,
and down at about a 45 degree angle. I am unsure of the type of cable, and
how to fix the cable in place prior to the carb (firewall foward). I didn't
find any details from Uncle Tony...
I apprecitae any help, and any photos of this area.
Thanks in advance,
John E.
Greenville, Wisconsin
All varnished, figuring out the cockpit controls, hope to complete some
fabric work next summer
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
John, As you may already know, the Pietenpol instrument panel sits very clo
se to the pilot and is-somewhat small.-In my opinion, the large gauges,
such as the ones you have shown, just look too large and crowded on the Pi
et. panel. Some use a combination of both small and large,-which helps. S
ome of those more modern looking gauges may also look out of place in a "vi
ntage" aircraft...again, more so if they are large.- I am sure you can se
ll what you do not use, especially if you can validate they work properly.
Those funds can be used to purchase exactly what you want.
-
If you plan on having no electrical system, those gauges usually cost less
then the electric gauges. I am running full mechanical gauges, all small, (
2" range)- the panel layout and wiring-were very easy.
-
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
John:
It all depends on whether or not the gauges work properly and if you can find a
poor schmuck willing to buy them from you. I, personally, bought several gauges
on eBay that were "in working order when removed from the panel for an upgrade."
Every one of them turned out to be usable for nothing except desk ornaments.
An instrument shop will check them out and yellow tag them which makes
them worth more to a prospective buyer - but - you may not get back out of them
what you have to invest to get them checked out and repaired.
That's another 1 cent worth.
Tom Stinemetze
>>> "John Francis" 11/21/2012 9:37 AM >>>
Thanks, Tom. Do you think the other gauges have any value?
--------
John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
John: take a look at the last two photos here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75.html
This is how Scout is rigged, and the way you describe the routing is precisely
the way I have it. I'm sorry that the photos don't show where or how the cable
is secured along the way, but I know that it is secured in at least one place
and I used the double Adel clamp method that is shown in Tony's book. One clamp
is on one of the tubes of the engine mount, and then a second clamp (bolted
to the first) clamps the throttle cable.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
Just an observation. Your VSI looks pegged at a high rate of climb. Might be fixable
but it might only be depressing to see your slow rate of climb.
The best instruments there for your low and slow plane are (In my Humble opinion):
Altimeter (Pitot operated)
and needle and Ball (but it needs electricity)
with needle, Ball and airspeed you can fly instruments with a little training.
ONLY inadvertant IFR (recreational IFR.)
Among the more senior IFR Gurus, they keep repeating "Needle, Ball, Airspeed."
They might also provide some good trading items for instruments you select.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: John Francis <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:23
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gauges
>
> I'm way ahead of myself here but a friend gave me this panel. Are these gauges
the size, voltage, etc. that I could use in my Pietenpol? If
> so would it be best to have them looked at by a rebuild shop to
> verify that they work? Just asking.....
>
> John
>
> --------
> John Francis
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| From: | "Harvey Plummer" <plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com> |
Has anyone built and flown a Piet with a VW or more specifically an Aerovee Conversions
engine? What type prop did you use? What are your climb, cruise and approach
RPMs?
I just finished a Sonex with an Aerovee and I am thinking maybe a Pietenpol might
be the next project.
Thanks.
--------
Harv, 485PB
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| Subject: | Re: Aerovee Engine |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Harvey;
This has been discussed off and on here and in the print Newsletter for years,
but I don't know if any Piets have ever flown with a VW engine. A couple of years
ago there was an article in the BPA News (the print newsletter) about that
very thing, and I believe Doc Mosher wrote the article. The conclusion was,
"why not VW power?"
One issue that I see with the VW is that it is very light, and Piets already tend
to be tail-heavy. As you know, there are many, many Piets flying with the
6-cylinder Corvair engine of similar configuration as the VW but it weighs more
and puts out more power than a 4-cylinder VW. Also as you probably know, the
converse of this situation is that there are Sonexes powered by Corvairs but
they have been very carefully designed and installed to keep the engine as tight
to the firewall as possible, for CG reasons I guess. The Piet has the opposite
condition.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | $7,000 for an Aerovee from Sonex (assembly required) |
Harvey,
Congratulations on finishing your Sonex! What a great little go-fast airpl
ane. The Aerovee is a perfect engine for
that plane but there are better, more proven engines that have flown for ye
ars on the Pietenpol that are less costly,
and much more suitable to the speed of the airframe and passenger-carrying
desires. After seeing how expensive
a new Aerovee Conversion is I would just go out and buy a low time A-65 Con
tinental or if money is not an issue
you could probably get a pretty nice 0-200 and have all kinds of power.
Like Oscar said, there have been Piets built with VW engines but I have not
heard of any that flew, let alone given
any information that would be helpful in answering your questions.
The best way to get in the air quickly is just to purchase a flying Pietenp
ol for only a few thousand more than the Aerovee
costs.
All the best,
Mike C.
Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: $7,000 for an Aerovee from Sonex (assembly required) |
| From: | Gmail <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Good point Mike. And Bill Rewey's Piet is a bargain at $12K !!
Greg Bacon
Garratt Callahan
gbacon@g-c.com
(573)489-4795
On Nov 21, 2012, at 1:14 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, L
LC]" wrote:
> Harvey,
>
> Congratulations on finishing your Sonex! What a great little go-fast airp
lane. The Aerovee is a perfect engine for
> that plane but there are better, more proven engines that have flown for y
ears on the Pietenpol that are less costly,
> and much more suitable to the speed of the airframe and passenger-carrying
desires. After seeing how expensive
> a new Aerovee Conversion is I would just go out and buy a low time A-65 Co
ntinental or if money is not an issue
> you could probably get a pretty nice 0-200 and have all kinds of power.
>
> Like Oscar said, there have been Piets built with VW engines but I have no
t heard of any that flew, let alone given
> any information that would be helpful in answering your questions.
>
> The best way to get in the air quickly is just to purchase a flying Pieten
pol for only a few thousand more than the Aerovee
> costs.
>
> All the best,
> Mike C.
> Ohio
>
> 1994 Pietenpol by Bill Rewey
>
> 1994 PIETENPOL BY BILL REWEY =A2 $12,000 =A2 FOR SALE BY BUILD
ER =A2 550TT, A65 with electric start 608-833-5839 For photos, search w
eb for NX17WR or "Bill Rewey" =A2 Contact Chris W. Rewey, Friend of Ow
ner - located Verona, WI USA =A2 Telephone: 6088331001 =A2 Poste
d November 4, 2012 =A2 Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser =A2
Recommend This Ad to a Friend =A2 Email Advertiser =A2 Save to W
atchlist =A2 Report This Ad =A2 Finance New Lower Rates!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: $7,000 for an Aerovee from Sonex (assembly required) |
| From: | "Harvey Plummer" <plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com> |
Mike, thanks for the input. However, I am still interested in the posibility of
building a Piet with an Aerovee engine.
If I wanted a quick way to fly I would either climb in my Sonex or my C172 and
go flying. I am looking for the fun of building and then flying an open cockpit,
slow plane like the Pietenpol. I also enjoyed the "assembly required" part
of the Aerovee. And, if cost becomes an issue I'll take the engine out of the
Sonex and put it in the Piet.
I'd still like to find someone flying a piet with a VW.
Thanks again. I understand where you are coming from.
--------
Harv, 485PB
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: $7,000 for an Aerovee from Sonex (assembly required) |
You might be Numero Uno!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harvey Plummer" <plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 5:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: $7,000 for an Aerovee from Sonex (assembly
required)
>
>
> Mike, thanks for the input. However, I am still interested in the
> posibility of building a Piet with an Aerovee engine.
>
> If I wanted a quick way to fly I would either climb in my Sonex or my C172
> and go flying. I am looking for the fun of building and then flying an
> open cockpit, slow plane like the Pietenpol. I also enjoyed the "assembly
> required" part of the Aerovee. And, if cost becomes an issue I'll take the
> engine out of the Sonex and put it in the Piet.
>
> I'd still like to find someone flying a piet with a VW.
>
> Thanks again. I understand where you are coming from.
>
> --------
> Harv, 485PB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388555#388555
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: $7,000 for an Aerovee from Sonex (assembly required) |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Harvey,
I'm definitely no expert... but for a short and quick explanation, the Piet needs
quite a bit of thrust to overcome the high amount of drag. The thrust comes
from a long prop. The VW engine makes it's horsepower at a relatively high
rpm... in order to turn up it needs a small short prop. It simply can't swing
a long prop high fast enough to make the power. So with a short prop it can
develop the horsepower but it does not really gain the thrust. The reason the
Model A works so well is that the engine can swing a long prop at the low rpm
and create lots of thrust. The old OX5 engines created 90 HP at 1300-1400 and
swung an 8' prop and had lots of thrust to overcome all the weight and drag
of the old biplanes. A 90 HP VW engine swinging a 5' prop at 3000 rpm would probably
have a difficult time getting the up to much more than a fast taxi, if
that even. For the Pietenpol you really have to think thrust. Now a VW engine
with a Valley Engineering reduction unit would become a whole different combination
and would probably work well. But there just isn't much out there that
can beat the simple thrust of the Model A and the small Continentals.... okay...
maybe the Corvair too... :-)
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aerovee Engine |
Here is my 2 cents.
A65 is a great engine.
Andy Abreu
6186L
--- On Wed, 11/21/12, taildrags wrote:
From: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aerovee Engine
Date: Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 1:38 PM
Harvey;
This has been discussed off and on here and in the print Newsletter for yea
rs, but I don't know if any Piets have ever flown with a VW engine.- A co
uple of years ago there was an article in the BPA News (the print newslette
r) about that very thing, and I believe Doc Mosher wrote the article.- Th
e conclusion was, "why not VW power?"
One issue that I see with the VW is that it is very light, and Piets alread
y tend to be tail-heavy.- As you know, there are many, many Piets flying
with the 6-cylinder Corvair engine of similar configuration as the VW but i
t weighs more and puts out more power than a 4-cylinder VW.- Also as you
probably know, the converse of this situation is that there are Sonexes pow
ered by Corvairs but they have been very carefully designed and installed t
o keep the engine as tight to the firewall as possible, for CG reasons I gu
ess.- The Piet has the opposite condition.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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le, List Admin.
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| From: | Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aerovee Engine |
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has been discussed off and on here and in the print Newsletter for years,
but I don't know if any Piets have ever flown with a VW engine.- A couple
of years ago there was an article in=0A the BPA News (the print newsletter
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you know, there are many, many Piets flying with the 6-cylinder Corvair eng
ine of similar configuration as the VW but it weighs more and puts out more
power than a 4-cylinder VW.- Also as you probably know, the converse of
this situation is that there are Sonexes powered by Corvairs but they have
been very carefully designed and installed to keep the engine as tight to t
he firewall as possible, for CG reasons I guess.- The Piet has the opposi
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| Subject: | Re: Aerovee Engine |
| From: | Michael Conkling <jmconkling(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Harvey,
I guess if you must dream of a VW powered Piet, you might consider the
Lacey M-10C with it's (2) VW engines...
Positive side....
1.) (2) VW engines weight about the same as a Model "A"...
2.) (2) 54" VW props sweep a bit more area than a Model A prop...
3.) You get to fly a Piet and keep your Multi-engine rating current...
Negative side...
1.) You will want to start the R.H. engine first -- VW engines turn the
other way...
2.) If you lose an engine, the other engine will most likely extend your
flight to the scene of the crash...
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:38 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Harvey;
>
> This has been discussed off and on here and in the print Newsletter for
> years, but I don't know if any Piets have ever flown with a VW engine. A
> couple of years ago there was an article in the BPA News (the print
> newsletter) about that very thing, and I believe Doc Mosher wrote the
> article. The conclusion was, "why not VW power?"
>
> One issue that I see with the VW is that it is very light, and Piets
> already tend to be tail-heavy. As you know, there are many, many Piets
> flying with the 6-cylinder Corvair engine of similar configuration as the
> VW but it weighs more and puts out more power than a 4-cylinder VW. Also
> as you probably know, the converse of this situation is that there are
> Sonexes powered by Corvairs but they have been very carefully designed and
> installed to keep the engine as tight to the firewall as possible, for CG
> reasons I guess. The Piet has the opposite condition.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388542#388542
>
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 |
John, I used a simple bowden cable with machined "B" nuts I made myself. (Y
ou can also purchase them from ACS.)- I made my own throttle lever (cockp
it control),I can-adjust the-friction on it to prevent the throttle fro
m "creeping" in flight. The cable is attached with said B-nut.- The cable
runs down the left side, exits the firewall and crosses over to the right
side.- The outer casing of the cable is-clamped to the engine mount. Th
e inner cable passes over the oil tank then down to the carb. throttle leve
r, attached with another B-nut.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aerovee Engine |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Harv!
You've sparked some interesting discussion. Consider this:
For aircraft props, Thrust = Area X delta P
54" (Aerovee) prop has a disk area of 15.9 square feet
72" (A65/Ford) prop has a disk area of 28.3 square feet (78% greater, WOW)
If the dPs are close to the same, the 54" prop would produce roughly 56% of
the thrust of the 72". I realize prop pitch and design will affect the dP,
but area IS the major factor. It would be interesting to know the average
static thrust of Aerovee applications. I bet some folks in the Volksplane
and Sonex communities would know. Several Pieters have been passing around
a fish scale and all seem to measure around 275ish pounds of static thrust
with Fords and Continentals.
Hey Corvair guys, what static thrust did you measure?
Anyway, if 56% is close to accurate, I doubt the V-dub would have enough
guts to drag it around the pattern safely. Of course, you could always try
it solo on a long runway. If it doesn't work out, you can always rebuilt
the engine mount and add a PSRU.
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Harvey Plummer wrote:
> plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com>
>
> Has anyone built and flown a Piet with a VW or more specifically an
> Aerovee Conversions engine? What type prop did you use? What are your
> climb, cruise and approach RPMs?
>
> I just finished a Sonex with an Aerovee and I am thinking maybe a
> Pietenpol might be the next project.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --------
> Harv, 485PB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388538#388538
>
>
--
Greg Bacon
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Hey Corvair guys, what static thrust did you measure?
300 lbs, and that was before I reconfigured the prop to be more efficient.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Bacon
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aerovee Engine
Hi Harv!
You've sparked some interesting discussion. Consider this:
For aircraft props, Thrust = Area X delta P
54" (Aerovee) prop has a disk area of 15.9 square feet
72" (A65/Ford) prop has a disk area of 28.3 square feet (78% greater, WOW)
If the dPs are close to the same, the 54" prop would produce roughly 56% of
the thrust of the 72". I realize prop pitch and design will affect the dP,
but area IS the major factor. It would be interesting to know the average
static thrust of Aerovee applications. I bet some folks in the Volksplane
and Sonex communities would know. Several Pieters have been passing around
a fish scale and all seem to measure around 275ish pounds of static thrust
with Fords and Continentals.
Hey Corvair guys, what static thrust did you measure?
Anyway, if 56% is close to accurate, I doubt the V-dub would have enough
guts to drag it around the pattern safely. Of course, you could always try
it solo on a long runway. If it doesn't work out, you can always rebuilt
the engine mount and add a PSRU.
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Harvey Plummer
wrote:
Has anyone built and flown a Piet with a VW or more specifically an Aerovee
Conversions engine? What type prop did you use? What are your climb, cruise
and approach RPMs?
I just finished a Sonex with an Aerovee and I am thinking maybe a Pietenpol
might be the next project.
Thanks.
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Actually Greg, most Model A props are 76", not 72", so the area would 31.5 s
quare feet, or nearly 100% greater.
Gene Rambo
On Nov 22, 2012, at 10:34 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
> Hey Corvair guys, what static thrust did you measure?
>
> 300 lbs, and that was before I reconfigured the prop to be more efficient.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Bacon
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 7:19 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aerovee Engine
>
> Hi Harv!
>
> You've sparked some interesting discussion. Consider this:
>
> For aircraft props, Thrust = Area X delta P
>
> 54" (Aerovee) prop has a disk area of 15.9 square feet
> 72" (A65/Ford) prop has a disk area of 28.3 square feet (78% greater, WOW)
>
> If the dPs are close to the same, the 54" prop would produce roughly 56% o
f the thrust of the 72". I realize prop pitch and design will affect the dP
, but area IS the major factor. It would be interesting to know the average
static thrust of Aerovee applications. I bet some folks in the Volksplane
and Sonex communities would know. Several Pieters have been passing around
a fish scale and all seem to measure around 275ish pounds of static thrust w
ith Fords and Continentals.
>
> Hey Corvair guys, what static thrust did you measure?
>
> Anyway, if 56% is close to accurate, I doubt the V-dub would have enough g
uts to drag it around the pattern safely. Of course, you could always try i
t solo on a long runway. If it doesn't work out, you can always rebuilt the
engine mount and add a PSRU.
>
> Greg Bacon
> Prairie Home, MO
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Harvey Plummer
wrote:
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>
> Has anyone built and flown a Piet with a VW or more specifically an Aerove
e Conversions engine? What type prop did you use? What are your climb, cruis
e and approach RPMs?
>
> I just finished a Sonex with an Aerovee and I am thinking maybe a Pietenpo
l might be the next project.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --------
> Harv, 485PB
>
>
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>
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Aerovee Engine |
285 lbs with home made prop. I have an IVO medium that I have not tried yet, but
I expect it will be better.
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 10:34:27 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aerovee Engine
Hey Corvair guys, what static thrust did you measure?
300 lbs, and that was before I reconfigured the prop to be more efficient.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Bacon
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aerovee Engine
Hi Harv!
You've sparked some interesting discussion. Consider this:
For aircraft props, Thrust = Area X delta P
54" (Aerovee) prop has a disk area of 15.9 square feet
72" (A65/Ford) prop has a disk area of 28.3 square feet (78% greater, WOW)
If the dPs are close to the same, the 54" prop would produce roughly 56% of the
thrust of the 72". I realize prop pitch and design will affect the dP, but area
IS the major factor. It would be interesting to know the average static thrust
of Aerovee applications. I bet some folks in the Volksplane and Sonex communities
would know. Several Pieters have been passing around a fish scale and
all seem to measure around 275ish pounds of static thrust with Fords and Continentals.
Hey Corvair guys, what static thrust did you measure?
Anyway, if 56% is close to accurate, I doubt the V-dub would have enough guts to
drag it around the pattern safely. Of course, you could always try it solo on
a long runway. If it doesn't work out, you can always rebuilt the engine mount
and add a PSRU.
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Harvey Plummer < plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com > wrote:
Has anyone built and flown a Piet with a VW or more specifically an Aerovee Conversions
engine? What type prop did you use? What are your climb, cruise and approach
RPMs?
I just finished a Sonex with an Aerovee and I am thinking maybe a Pietenpol might
be the next project.
Thanks.
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Aerovee Engine |
| From: | Gmail <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Dang Gary! You're the thrust Master! What is you're prop diameter?
Greg Bacon
Garratt Callahan
gbacon@g-c.com
(573)489-4795
On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:34 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
> Hey Corvair guys, what static thrust did you measure?
>
> 300 lbs, and that was before I reconfigured the prop to be more efficient.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Bacon
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 7:19 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aerovee Engine
>
> Hi Harv!
>
> You've sparked some interesting discussion. Consider this:
>
> For aircraft props, Thrust = Area X delta P
>
> 54" (Aerovee) prop has a disk area of 15.9 square feet
> 72" (A65/Ford) prop has a disk area of 28.3 square feet (78% greater, WOW)
>
> If the dPs are close to the same, the 54" prop would produce roughly 56% o
f the thrust of the 72". I realize prop pitch and design will affect the dP
, but area IS the major factor. It would be interesting to know the average
static thrust of Aerovee applications. I bet some folks in the Volksplane
and Sonex communities would know. Several Pieters have been passing around
a fish scale and all seem to measure around 275ish pounds of static thrust w
ith Fords and Continentals.
>
> Hey Corvair guys, what static thrust did you measure?
>
> Anyway, if 56% is close to accurate, I doubt the V-dub would have enough g
uts to drag it around the pattern safely. Of course, you could always try i
t solo on a long runway. If it doesn't work out, you can always rebuilt the
engine mount and add a PSRU.
>
> Greg Bacon
> Prairie Home, MO
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Harvey Plummer
wrote:
o.com>
>
> Has anyone built and flown a Piet with a VW or more specifically an Aerove
e Conversions engine? What type prop did you use? What are your climb, cruis
e and approach RPMs?
>
> I just finished a Sonex with an Aerovee and I am thinking maybe a Pietenpo
l might be the next project.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --------
> Harv, 485PB
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
That prop was 66x34. After a little more work, it went from 62mph cruise
to 75 at 2700 rpm. The new prop cruises 75 at 2400, but suffers on the
climb. I=99ll most likely re-pitch it before Summer.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gmail
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aerovee Engine
Dang Gary! You're the thrust Master! What is you're prop diameter?
Greg Bacon
Garratt Callahan
gbacon@g-c.com
(573)489-4795
On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:34 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
Hey Corvair guys, what static thrust did you measure?
300 lbs, and that was before I reconfigured the prop to be more
efficient.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Bacon
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aerovee Engine
Hi Harv!
You've sparked some interesting discussion. Consider this:
For aircraft props, Thrust = Area X delta P
54" (Aerovee) prop has a disk area of 15.9 square feet
72" (A65/Ford) prop has a disk area of 28.3 square feet (78% greater,
WOW)
If the dPs are close to the same, the 54" prop would produce roughly 56%
of the thrust of the 72". I realize prop pitch and design will affect
the dP, but area IS the major factor. It would be interesting to know
the average static thrust of Aerovee applications. I bet some folks in
the Volksplane and Sonex communities would know. Several Pieters have
been passing around a fish scale and all seem to measure around 275ish
pounds of static thrust with Fords and Continentals.
Hey Corvair guys, what static thrust did you measure?
Anyway, if 56% is close to accurate, I doubt the V-dub would have enough
guts to drag it around the pattern safely. Of course, you could always
try it solo on a long runway. If it doesn't work out, you can always
rebuilt the engine mount and add a PSRU.
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Harvey Plummer
wrote:
Has anyone built and flown a Piet with a VW or more specifically an
Aerovee Conversions engine? What type prop did you use? What are your
climb, cruise and approach RPMs?
I just finished a Sonex with an Aerovee and I am thinking maybe a
Pietenpol might be the next project.
Thanks.
--------
Harv, 485PB
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| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
What a great way to spend Thanksgiving. BTW: the one piece wing was much less
complicated, though a bear to handle.
Thanks to Gary Boothe for his advice on how to make the thing square. Thanks to
the very kind individual who gave me the ribs.
We ran the engine two weeks ago at Corvair College 24, hosted by PF Beck and crew
in South Carolina. Another kind and exceptionally generous individual gave
me huge chunks of an engine to make that event possible. Thanks to William Wynne
& crew for their efforts prior to the college.
Shelley & I are blessed.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving! I know Tony recommends aircraft cable when
wiring, which I most likely will. Anyone use auto stranded type wire? Ducking
for cover...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Kevin=3B
Nice work on the center section! Flying it inverted=2C I see =3Bo) Questi
on: do you intend to put fuel in the center section=2C or will it just be a
baggage locker?
Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 PowerMedford=2C OR hangar T6
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
You (and Shelley) are testimony to perseverance!
BTW...I had no idea if my advice would work...just the first thought that
popped into my head.
Gary Boothe (Pietenpol X-wing)
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 12:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress
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What a great way to spend Thanksgiving. BTW: the one piece wing was much
less complicated, though a bear to handle.
Thanks to Gary Boothe for his advice on how to make the thing square.
Thanks to the very kind individual who gave me the ribs.
We ran the engine two weeks ago at Corvair College 24, hosted by PF Beck and
crew in South Carolina. Another kind and exceptionally generous individual
gave me huge chunks of an engine to make that event possible. Thanks to
William Wynne & crew for their efforts prior to the college.
Shelley & I are blessed.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Jack,
I did not use auto type, but...
Assuming that you are not concerned about the fire resistance of the
insulation on A/C wire...and, assuming that you are not concerned that the
wire you are purchasing is coming from a low bidder in China (in other
words, no quality control)...
My recommendation would be to at least use the A/C connectors, which will
provide better support of the insulation at the connection, where most
failure is likely to occur.
Happy Thanksgiving
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 8:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire
Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving! I know Tony recommends aircraft
cable when wiring, which I most likely will. Anyone use auto stranded type
wire? Ducking for cover...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
HI Kevin,
Glad to see you have the center section well in hand. I hope to have Gary give
me his wing advice here before long too.
Have you got the fuselage and tail surfaces done already?
Happy Thanksgiving
Jim and Arlene
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Nice progress.
Are you planning to put some padding around the bricks, so your passengers don't
hurt their head?
Or maybe you just like keeping a couple of bricks handy, to throw at people who
ask dumb questions.
BC
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 |
| From: | John Egan <1smilingmoon(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Oscar,
I did look at your web site prior to posting my question as you have some
good information for us builders. I looked at the engine on the motor
mount today, and it appears to me that I could use the double Adel clamp
method you describe, as my "X" brace tubing for the motor mount crosses the
path of the throttle cable in about the correct place. I'll plan on fixing
the cable at the tubing in this location.
Thank you,
john e.
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:49 AM, taildrags wrote:
>
> John: take a look at the last two photos here:
>
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75.html
>
> This is how Scout is rigged, and the way you describe the routing is
> precisely the way I have it. I'm sorry that the photos don't show where or
> how the cable is secured along the way, but I know that it is secured in at
> least one place and I used the double Adel clamp method that is shown in
> Tony's book. One clamp is on one of the tubes of the engine mount, and
> then a second clamp (bolted to the first) clamps the throttle cable.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
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| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi Oscar - Fuel. I'll do the Gary Boothe treatment on the tank so I can fly longer
than 1:35 before flameout.
Hi Jim - I was able to repair the tail surfaces so they exist. I have not started
the fuselage.
Hi Bill -
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 |
| From: | John Egan <1smilingmoon(at)gmail.com> |
O.k., so a bowden cable is stiff enough not to kink or flex when actuated
if it's attached some distance away from the carb lever. Sounds good. It's
quite a distance (9 inches maybe) from the carb to above the oil tank. I'd
hate to push on the throtlle lever in the cockpit, and get little response
at the carb... The engine I bought has a "B' nut on the carb lever, so a
bowden cable was used here. My throttle lever inside the cockpit is a
simple pivoting lever like so many Piets have on them, where another "B'
nut can be attached.
By the way builders, the local hardware stores that often have hardware for
sale in those stacks of plastic boxes in trays (True Value, Ace Hardware)
often carry the "B" nuts in one of those trays.
Thanks Michael,
john
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> John, I used a simple bowden cable with machined "B" nuts I made myself.
> (You can also purchase them from ACS.) I made my own throttle lever
> (cockpit control),I can adjust the friction on it to prevent the throttle
> from "creeping" in flight. The cable is attached with said B-nut. The
> cable runs down the left side, exits the firewall and crosses over to the
> right side. The outer casing of the cable is clamped to the engine mount.
> The inner cable passes over the oil tank then down to the carb. throttle
> lever, attached with another B-nut.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
John;
The throttle bell crank on my Stromberg requires very, very little effort to swing
the butterfly in the throat of the carb. The inner wire of the Bowden should
be plenty stiff to operate the butterfly. *BUT*- that's under normal circumstances.
Thinking about abnormal conditions (or maybe "normal" for Strombergs
a lot of the time), if you have carb ice in the venturi, it may pose significant
resistance to movement of the butterfly in the throat of the carb and if
you tried to operate the throttle against that resistance, your inner wire would
buckle.
The outer jacket of my Bowden cable is secured much closer to the carb than 9";
I believe it's clamped to one of the carb screws using a fabricated tab. Let
me look at it on Saturday and maybe get you a picture. I think you need to run
the outer jacket longer, clamp it closer to the carb, and only have a couple
of inches of inner wire outside the outer jacket.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: moving Scout |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Just one last shot on this thread and I'll move on. Here's a picture of Scout
in the new hangar. Actually, only one hangar door is open in this shot (the Zenith
project is behind the other door). LOTS of Texas hangar dust on the tops
of the wings! I have the new cooling eyebrows to install, a little bit of maintenance
to do here and there before annual condition inspection, and one thing
that I'm going to fix for good is the front seat support. My rudder bar stops
have dislodged the vertical front seat support plywood twice now, breaking
glue joints, so I'm going to put down a crosspiece to secure the bottom of the
support to the plywood floor, glued and screwed.
When wearing bulky shoes or boots while flying, it is almost impossible to fully
deflect the rudder bar without pushing the front seat upright plywood forward.
Anybody else ever had to reattach the lower edge of the front seat plywood?
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Model A engine Tach |
| From: | "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com> |
Could anyone tell me what kind of Tach is needed for use with a Model A engine.
Will it need to work clockwise or counter clockwise? Thanks
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| From: | Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 |
I take tons of pictures when I do the annual.
Here are some of the bowden throttle cable on our setup.
We do have an extra homemade sleeve that helps to stiffen the system.
http://tinyurl.com/dyzexhu
I've always wondered if there was a better cables to use.
Carb heat side also uses a bowden cable.- I'm sure there are some picture
s of that as well.
Thanks
Andy Abreu
6186L
--- On Fri, 11/23/12, taildrags wrote:
From: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65
Date: Friday, November 23, 2012, 8:37 PM
John;
The throttle bell crank on my Stromberg requires very, very little effort t
o swing the butterfly in the throat of the carb.- The inner wire of the B
owden should be plenty stiff to operate the butterfly.- *BUT*- that's und
er normal circumstances.- Thinking about abnormal conditions (or maybe "n
ormal" for Strombergs a lot of the time), if you have carb ice in the ventu
ri, it may pose significant resistance to movement of the butterfly in the
throat of the carb and if you tried to operate the throttle against that re
sistance, your inner wire would buckle.
The outer jacket of my Bowden cable is secured much closer to the carb than
9"; I believe it's clamped to one of the carb screws using a fabricated ta
b.- Let me look at it on Saturday and maybe get you a picture.- I think
you need to run the outer jacket longer, clamp it closer to the carb, and
only have a couple of inches of inner wire outside the outer jacket.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
I am not that familiar with the mechanical tachs used by most people, but
believe they are standard rotation aircraft tachs.
I used, and I know of one other guy who used a Westach electric tach that
ran off the mag. MUCH lighter and cleaner installation, just one wire from
the gauge to the mag and worked great.
$.02
Douwe
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
The picture attached shows the wire I used. The foil is the shield and it i
s electrically connected to the bare wire. (ground)- You only need to cut
the conductors and ground to the length you need, add the end connectors a
nd attach.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: model A tach |
Here is a digital one we installed on the piet.
The digital one uses a sensor and a magnet that is glued inside the prop.
- The sensor is installed to the cowling.- It works okay.- Pro is tha
t it is cheap and light ... Con is that it is not very accurate.- Only ha
s a 60 RPM accuracy.-- I wanted something for when I am in the front se
at giving dual... Better than nothing I guess.
http://www.andytach.com/magento/
Andy Abreu
6186L.
--- On Sat, 11/24/12, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: model A tach
Date: Saturday, November 24, 2012, 10:45 AM
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI am not that familiar with
the mechanical tachs used by=0Amost people, but believe they are standard r
otation aircraft tachs. =0A=0A - =0A=0AI used, and I know of one other gu
y who used a Westach=0Aelectric tach that ran off the mag.- MUCH lighter
and cleaner installation,=0Ajust one wire from the gauge to the mag and wor
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
Hi Kevin,
I am=C2-wishing I had made my tank larger like Gary's as well. Mine will
hold about 11 gallons; so am going to add a 5 gallon nose tank.
How big was your tank that gave you 1:35? Probably about 11 gallons!
Thanks,
Jim
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| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
I may be wrong here and correct me if I am, but I believe the outer insulation
on auto wire is toxic if it burns? Not what you need to be breathing when trying
to find an emergency spot to put down.
Scotty
--------
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Tail and Ribs built...Building control system and about to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Thanks Scotty, Michael and Gary. I guess I wasn't worried about the toxicity
with an open cockpit but since many didn't get back to me saying it was ok I
plan to use aviation wire and connectors. I will save money using Chinese h
ardware. Kidding!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Nov 24, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Michael Perez wrote
:
>
> The picture attached shows the wire I used. The foil is the shield and it i
s electrically connected to the bare wire. (ground) You only need to cut th
e conductors and ground to the length you need, add the end connectors and a
ttach.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
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| From: | "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com> |
Looking at the wing plans and getting ready to order wood for spars. Why couldn't
a guy just get alittle bigger piece and cut the top angle to fit the ribs so
you don't have to add the little angle filler pieces? Is there something I am
over looking? Does no one do it because of the little more added weight of wood
between the ribs? Or the cost of spruce for a bigger spar? Thanks for any
answers.
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| From: | "Dale Johnson" <ddjohn(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Spar help? |
That is what Greg and I did on ours.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 5:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Spar help?
>
> Looking at the wing plans and getting ready to order wood for spars. Why
> couldn't a guy just get alittle bigger piece and cut the top angle to fit
> the ribs so you don't have to add the little angle filler pieces? Is there
> something I am over looking? Does no one do it because of the little more
> added weight of wood between the ribs? Or the cost of spruce for a bigger
> spar? Thanks for any answers.
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Spar help? |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Cost of wood for taller spar. The wedges are a no brainier, extremely easy to do.
Wayyyyy easier than Berlinger the top of spar. No good way to get glue under
rib.
Gene Rambo
On Nov 24, 2012, at 7:16 PM, "Dale Johnson" wrote:
>
> That is what Greg and I did on ours.
>
> Dale
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 5:56 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Spar help?
>
>
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>> Looking at the wing plans and getting ready to order wood for spars. Why couldn't
a guy just get alittle bigger piece and cut the top angle to fit the ribs
so you don't have to add the little angle filler pieces? Is there something
I am over looking? Does no one do it because of the little more added weight of
wood between the ribs? Or the cost of spruce for a bigger spar? Thanks for any
answers.
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| From: | "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com> |
I am getting ready to order metal for the steel tail for my piet and I was wondering,
has anyone compared the weight of a wood vs metal tail?
--------
Building steel fuselage aircamper.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Spar help? |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Beveling. Damned autospell!
Gene Rambo
On Nov 24, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:
>
> Cost of wood for taller spar. The wedges are a no brainier, extremely easy to
do. Wayyyyy easier than Berlinger the top of spar. No good way to get glue under
rib.
>
> Gene Rambo
>
> On Nov 24, 2012, at 7:16 PM, "Dale Johnson" wrote:
>
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>> That is what Greg and I did on ours.
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>> Dale
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
>> To:
>> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 5:56 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Spar help?
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a guy just get alittle bigger piece and cut the top angle to fit the ribs
so you don't have to add the little angle filler pieces? Is there something
I am over looking? Does no one do it because of the little more added weight
of wood between the ribs? Or the cost of spruce for a bigger spar? Thanks for
any answers.
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| Subject: | Re: moving Scout |
| From: | John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com> |
Oscar,
finally back on list--glad I could help load you (again) That is two I
helped you pack up! . Too bad you were so busy--would love to have shown
you my Piet.
Anyone else in San Antonio area--I could use some encouragement...90
percent done 90 percent to go....
Kevin P--missed your deal--checked archives--wow--welcome back--we talked
briefly--would love to come and see you or you here if you ever want to
(8T8)...
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> I just arrived home in Medford a while ago, safe and sound (Scout,
> too). A very nice journey, but it sure was windy up in N. California
> today!!! Good thing it was from the south... I had a tailwind all day.
> Total distance traveled, 2051 miles so cutting across the Nevada desert
> saved me about 150 miles and truthfully, I enjoy the drive out that way. I
> got to see some live-fire bombing practice by jets out of Fallon and the
> other military sites out there are always intriguing anyway. Now to get
> the plane unloaded and safely hangared. Oh, and in reply to Chuck's
> questions about the van, see below.
>
> -Oscar
>
> *>What size van did you use?*
> **
> *It's a 26 ft. Penske moving van. The 22 footer rents for the same as a
> 26 footer, so I opted for the larger one but that's because I had other
> stuff to move in there. The wing panels are only 13 ft. long and the
> fuselage will fit in a 22 ft. van, although snug. For a 75 mile move, I
> wouldn't even consider it... find a 16 ft. flatbed trailer and load it up.
> Fits perfectly; I've done it before; see last picture here:*
> **
> *http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/incident/incident.html*
> *
> >I assume you rented it. If so, from whom? Would I have access to the same
> company in North Carolina?*
> **
> *Penske. Yes, you should have access to the same outfit. I opted for
> Penske for several reasons... their vans are turbo diesels, while the
> UHauls are all gasoline. In the mountains, it makes a difference and for
> long runs out West, it makes a big difference. But again, you needn't rent
> a moving van just to move 75 miles... it's way too expensive.*
> **
> *>Did you have to fasten the wheel chocks to the floor of the van? If so
> how?*
> **
> *I didn't have to, but it was recommended to me that I did, and I am VERY
> glad that I did! Every time I go over a bridge at highway speeds, or
> wrinkles in the pavement, the rig jumps around and if things weren't
> secured, it would not have held the airplane in place. We secured the
> chocks and straps to the oak floor of the van with deck screws, and I'll
> bet that the screw holes will not be noticeable when I remove the screws
> and smooth things down. It's a moving van, and the floor gets a lot of
> wear and tear. I don't intend to leave it rough though.*
> **
> *>If you screwed or nailed them down, do you think the people who own the
> van would object to holes in the floor?*
> **
> *I'll let them inspect it when I'm done and go from there. They
> don't provide D-rings or tie-downs on the floor of the van and it's a shame
> because we could really have used them to keep the plane from moving fore
> and aft that way. Our field adaptation worked perfectly though.*
>
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John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | av gas in an old bike.. |
Rather off topic, but since there is such a deep base of knowledge here.
I just got a 71 Honda CB350 motorcycle which I'm going to lightly restore.
It runs well, but I don't want it to gum up over the winter since it has
carbs. I wondered if Av gas is closer to the gas it was designed for and
won't gum up if it sits. Was thinking of running it a little before
shutting it down and then using auto gas in the spring again.
Anybody know anything about this???
Douwe
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| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | av gas in an old bike.. |
I've restored a few old bikes but never considered avgas.. If possible=2C
shut off the fuel supply and run the carbs dry. Otherwise (and again if po
ssible) there should be a screw drain valve on the bottom of the carb float
bowls. Get yourself a tuna can to catch the gas and drain it out.
I always used to run some seafoam thru before storing for the winter and th
en keep the tank full and the carbs dry. Never had a problem.
Tom B.
From: douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: av gas in an old bike..
Date: Sun=2C 25 Nov 2012 21:16:44 -0500
Rather off topic=2C but since there is such a deep base of
knowledge here=85
I just got a 71 Honda CB350 motorcycle which I=92m going
to lightly restore. It runs well=2C but I don=92t want it to gum up over t
he
winter since it has carbs. I wondered if Av gas is closer to the gas it wa
s
designed for and won=92t gum up if it sits. Was thinking of running it a
little before shutting it down and then using auto gas in the spring again.
Anybody know anything about this???
Douwe
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| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: av gas in an old bike.. |
I usually fill the lawn mower with 100ll. It won't gum up over the
winter. The CB350 should be happy on it. The higher octane won't hurt
anything and there is not catalytic converter to mess up with the lead.
Dave
On 11/25/2012 9:16 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
>
> Rather off topic, but since there is such a deep base of knowledge here...
>
> I just got a 71 Honda CB350 motorcycle which I'm going to lightly
> restore. It runs well, but I don't want it to gum up over the winter
> since it has carbs. I wondered if Av gas is closer to the gas it was
> designed for and won't gum up if it sits. Was thinking of running it
> a little before shutting it down and then using auto gas in the spring
> again.
>
> Anybody know anything about this???
>
> Douwe
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: av gas in an old bike.. |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Douwe,
100LL is known for it's great storage stability. The lead content in 100LL
is a little greater than the leaded auto gas your CB350 was weened on, so
your exhaust valves and seats will be protected as well. I Winterize my
small engines and ag tractor with 100LL and have never had fuel
contamination issues with it. Top off the CB350 gas tank to keep oxygen
and moisture out. Draining the carbs while in storage is a good practice
too.
Greg
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Dave and Connie wr
ote:
> I usually fill the lawn mower with 100ll. It won't gum up over the
> winter. The CB350 should be happy on it. The higher octane won't hurt
> anything and there is not catalytic converter to mess up with the lead.
> Dave
>
>
> On 11/25/2012 9:16 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
>
> Rather off topic, but since there is such a deep base of knowledge here
=85*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> I just got a 71 Honda CB350 motorcycle which I=92m going to lightly
> restore. It runs well, but I don=92t want it to gum up over the winter s
ince
> it has carbs. I wondered if Av gas is closer to the gas it was designed
> for and won=92t gum up if it sits. Was thinking of running it a little
> before shutting it down and then using auto gas in the spring again.****
>
> ** **
>
> Anybody know anything about this???****
>
> ** **
>
> Douwe****
>
>
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Greg Bacon
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| Subject: | Re: av gas in an old bike.. |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
When Hurricane Ike hit our area in 2008, auto gas disappeared in about 4 hours.
So, with KDWH only a few miles from our home, and generators out of fuel, I
made a run to the field, and filled some 5 gallon cans with 100LL. (After hearing
all the generators stop running around the same time due to fuel exhaustion,
the sound of our lone generator brought out all the neighbors.) Over the
next thirteen days, my neighbors and I purchased over 60 gallons to keep the generators
running. (To do this we needed a tail number, as the guys at the field
would only sell it " for aircraft use." )
But I digress; all small engines run great using 100LL, as it has SIX times the
amount of TEL found in 1960 and '70's Premium, or high test, fuels. If you remember,
the addition of TEL is to prevent detonation, and does the same job on
a 15 Hp generator as your O-200.
The info from the other posts is very good, as the best way to prevent a carb problem
arising from disuse over the winter months is to run the tank empty of
any fuel having alcohol, and, if you MUST replace the fuel, use 100LL, and a stabilizer.
For me, both the chainsaw and the generator sit empty after having emptied their
tanks, and running them until the engine quits. In fact, I restart them until
they won't start again, just to get the fuel out of them. In the past, I've
had to clean carbs too many times, and getting all the fuel out is a whole lot
easier in the long run.
--------
Tom Kreiner
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Thanks guys for all the good suggestions. This is a GREAT list!!
D
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Spar help? |
I believe there was some talk on here a while ago and if I remember correctly,
those wedge spacers are not needed.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Spar help? |
Michael, they ARE needed if he doesn['t have the vertical members in the
ribs to attach to the spar. You and I were smart by putting those
vertical members in -- the older plans do not show the verticals. Oh!
I forgot. I used the GN-1 rib plan for my ribs. That plan has the
verticals at each spar location. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Spar help?
I believe there was some talk on here a while ago and if I
remember correctly, those wedge spacers are not needed.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Spar help? |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
Chuck is correct. From the manual the family sells:
Note 12. Wedges.
These are the wedges that are fit between the rib and the top of the spar.
I've been frequently asked what value they serve. Rather than try to answer
the question, I'll express to you that Mr. Pietenpol was very insistent
that these wedges were installed over the spar. There is a heavy
compression load at this point.
As a side note, from the Q&A section:
Q: Why not reshape the top of the spar to fit the shape of the rib?
A: Adds weight, serves no useful purpose. It would also require that the
lift strut wing fittings be redesigned.
That is all crew.
Ryan
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> I believe there was some talk on here a while ago and if I remember
> correctly, those wedge spacers are not needed.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "Dave Abramson" <davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com> |
Hi Douwe,
I have several bikes and cars that get little use. I run them dry if they
are going to sit. just turn off the gas with a petcock on the bikes.
Cars have a fuel pump cutoff switch so I can run them dry aswell. No
problems for many years.
Love avgas!!! But still like to run them dry....
Best Regards,
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 6:04 AM
To: pietenpolgroup
Subject: Pietenpol-List: old bike
Thanks guys for all the good suggestions. This is a GREAT list!!
D
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Spar help? |
I was not aware that some forms of the rib plans do not indicate the vertical supports.
(F&G manual?) I believe the full size Pietenpol rib plan does. (I did
not use this plan, I built the Riblett 312, which also shows said verticals.)
Interesting...
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | av gas in an old bike.. |
I run 100LL exclusively in my '66/67 Triumph Bonneville. It keeps perfectl
y and I think it more closely matches the original spec for the fuel.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | GN-1 with a VW engine |
Here's a Grega GN-1 with a VW engine. The poster lists himself as being
from Brazil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd0OtA9Du-k&feature=plcp
If you follow what the Airdrome WWI airplane builders are using you'll noti
ce they
are using reduction drive units (as others have mentioned) but all of the p
lanes they fly
are single-seaters.
My guess is that you could in fact fly a Pietenpol with a VW engine with a
reduction drive but
it will most likely be a single seat airplane. Also you'd better build it
extremely light:) !
http://www.airdromeaeroplanes.com/torquemasterengine.html
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| Subject: | Re: center section question |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Glue alone will hold it fine. The under side has high pressure, so no aerodynamic
forces pulling it away which only leaves the shrink of the fabric pulling
it loose, and there's no reason to put full shrink on it.
Also, it's not a matter of only having ribs to glue the fabric to, but the entire
surface which gives tons of area for hold.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389065#389065
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| Subject: | Re: center section question |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
You can keep a nice neat and uniform appearance if you run a capstrip in the location
where a rib would be and glue it to the underside of the plywood. It adds
a little stiffness to the plywood too. Then drill small holes in the plywood
and stitch the fabric to the capstrip/plywood. Keeps it very neat and uniform
and I always like the idea of stitching rather than glueing, even if it is
on the underside. That's how I did mine... but again, there are many "correct"
methods out there. :D
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389070#389070
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| Subject: | Re: center section question |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Don's right Paul, there are many ways to cover the center section. I glued
100% of the fabric to the plywood using the Stewart System "ekobond"
diluted 5% per Dan Stewart's recommendation. See attached pics. It is
attached very well.
Greg Bacon
NX114D (Mountain Piet)
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Don Emch wrote:
>
> You can keep a nice neat and uniform appearance if you run a capstrip in
> the location where a rib would be and glue it to the underside of the
> plywood. It adds a little stiffness to the plywood too. Then drill small
> holes in the plywood and stitch the fabric to the capstrip/plywood. Keeps
> it very neat and uniform and I always like the idea of stitching rather
> than glueing, even if it is on the underside. That's how I did mine... but
> again, there are many "correct" methods out there. :D
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389070#389070
>
>
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Greg Bacon
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: center section question |
I did the same thing
Ben Charvet
149 hours
On 11/26/2012 4:28 PM, Greg Bacon wrote:
> Don's right Paul, there are many ways to cover the center section. I
> glued 100% of the fabric to the plywood using the Stewart System
> "ekobond" diluted 5% per Dan Stewart's recommendation. See attached
> pics. It is attached very well.
>
> Greg Bacon
> NX114D (Mountain Piet)
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Don Emch > wrote:
>
> >
>
> You can keep a nice neat and uniform appearance if you run a
> capstrip in the location where a rib would be and glue it to the
> underside of the plywood. It adds a little stiffness to the
> plywood too. Then drill small holes in the plywood and stitch the
> fabric to the capstrip/plywood. Keeps it very neat and uniform
> and I always like the idea of stitching rather than glueing, even
> if it is on the underside. That's how I did mine... but again,
> there are many "correct" methods out there. :D
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389070#389070
>
>
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