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Subject: Re: Progress
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Nov 26, 2012
Hi Jim - We dumped 11 gallons in and then 9.5 came out during the flow test. At 6 gph that gives me 1:35 flight time. I made the tank to the plans without considering the higher fuel consumption of my engine. 16 gallons will give you more flight time than you want. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389074#389074 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Nov 26, 2012
Subject: Greg Bacon's progress
Greg-you are doing some fine looking work and I like your priorities with y our basement drywalled but not completely finished-yet you're working on the Piet. You got it right :)! If you have any other progress photos I for one would be happy if you share d them with us. Perhaps you've already got a Chris Tracy Westcoast Piet web site photo bunch entered. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: A good Day
Date: Nov 26, 2012
Had a chance to fly both airplanes ' my Pietenpol and my RV-4 today. 63=B0 and calm winds, which is a far cry from the high of 42=B0 they are forecasting for tomorrow. This time of year I try to fly the Pietenpol every day that I can with warm temperatures. Very nice flying above Smith Mountain Lake, a beautiful lake surrounded by the Blue Ridge Mountains. Here=92s a video shot by a friend of mine as I took him and his wife flying in my plane a couple of years ago. I think I posted this a couple of years ago but some of the newer builders might enjoy this as inspiration for the coming winter (prime building) months. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5HZGq0YZ2Y Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2012
From: Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Progress
Very important point Kevin just made.- Fuel starvation is a common theme in homebuilts. Just because you got 11 gallon tank don't mean you got 11 gallons of usable fuel. We have a center section fuel tank in our Piet...- 11 gallons.. 8 gallons useable.- We go with a 4 gallon burn on our A65 which technically gives us about 1.5 hours endurance per the FARs.- As a club rule, we land with 60 minutes instead of 30 remaining in the tank.- I can only stand about a n hour anyway.- After that, I have to get out and do some yoga. Another thing... We also noticed that in an extended slip, we are easily ab le to unport the fuel pickup and starve the engine!!!- With the metal pro pellor windmilling, the A65 started right back up as soon as the slip was t erminated.- Now that I think of it, I wonder if our new wooden prop will windmill like the metal one does.- Andy Abreu 6186L --- On Mon, 11/26/12, kevinpurtee wrote: From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress Date: Monday, November 26, 2012, 5:08 PM il> Hi Jim - We dumped 11 gallons in and then 9.5 came out during the flow test .- At 6 gph that gives me 1:35 flight time.- I made the tank to the pla ns without considering the higher fuel consumption of my engine. 16 gallons will give you more flight time than you want. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389074#389074 le, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Progress
Date: Nov 26, 2012
"I wonder if our new wooden prop will windmill like the metal one does." You can bet it won't!! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andre Abreu Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress Very important point Kevin just made. Fuel starvation is a common theme in homebuilts. Just because you got 11 gallon tank don't mean you got 11 gallons of usable fuel. We have a center section fuel tank in our Piet... 11 gallons.. 8 gallons useable. We go with a 4 gallon burn on our A65 which technically gives us about 1.5 hours endurance per the FARs. As a club rule, we land with 60 minutes instead of 30 remaining in the tank. I can only stand about an hour anyway. After that, I have to get out and do some yoga. Another thing... We also noticed that in an extended slip, we are easily able to unport the fuel pickup and starve the engine!!! With the metal propellor windmilling, the A65 started right back up as soon as the slip was terminated. Now that I think of it, I wonder if our new wooden prop will windmill like the metal one does. Andy Abreu 6186L --- On Mon, 11/26/12, kevinpurtee wrote: From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress Date: Monday, November 26, 2012, 5:08 PM Hi Jim - We dumped 11 gallons in and then 9.5 came out during the flow test. At 6 gph that gives me 1:35 flight time. I made the tank to the plans without considering the higher fuel consumption of my engine. 16 gallons will give you more flight time than you want. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389074#38====================== =http://www.map; <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389074#389074> -M= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - http://forums.ma=================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2012
From: Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: center section question
On 11/26/2012 3:05 PM, Don Emch wrote: > > You can keep a nice neat and uniform appearance if you run a capstrip in the location where a rib would be and glue it to the underside of the plywood. It adds a little stiffness to the plywood too. Then drill small holes in the plywood and stitch the fabric to the capstrip/plywood. Keeps it very neat and uniform and I always like the idea of stitching rather than glueing, even if it is on the underside. That's how I did mine... but again, there are many "correct" methods out there. :D > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > Thats exactly what I did Don. It was easy and looks great. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Kind of OT camera question
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Nov 26, 2012
I give quite a few rides and one thing I've been doing lately is holding a camera out to the side and snapping a picture of the passenger. Been getting pretty good at my aim. They seem to really like the pictures and want to have a copy of it. I thought I might try to step it up a little and try to mount a video camera out on the strut. Does anybody know what a decent, small, and inexpensive video camera might be to recommend? Thanks! Don Emch NX899DE P.S. Attached is a shot of my son from our "barnstorming trip" this summer and a shot of my son's teacher later in the summer.... umm, I think he liked his ride. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389088#389088 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ryan_barnstorming_102.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/mr_louk_182.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2012
Subject: Re: Kind of OT camera question
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Don, Have you seen what can be done with a fairly inexpensive gopro rig? It is amazing! Robert Lees put his on Greg Cardinal's piet during the Brodhead fly-in this Summer. Of course it's main function is video, but you can get incredible still pics from the video. You can give your passenger a nice little video of their piet ride. Check out gopro.com. Have you made out your Christmas list for Santa yet?? Greg Bacon On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Don Emch wrote: > > I give quite a few rides and one thing I've been doing lately is holding a > camera out to the side and snapping a picture of the passenger. Been > getting pretty good at my aim. They seem to really like the pictures and > want to have a copy of it. I thought I might try to step it up a little > and try to mount a video camera out on the strut. Does anybody know what a > decent, small, and inexpensive video camera might be to recommend? > > Thanks! > Don Emch > NX899DE > > P.S. Attached is a shot of my son from our "barnstorming trip" this summer > and a shot of my son's teacher later in the summer.... umm, I think he > liked his ride. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389088#389088 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ryan_barnstorming_102.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/mr_louk_182.jpg > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kind of OT camera question
Date: Nov 26, 2012
Mr. Bacon mentioned the GoPro. This is from Brodhead giving Ben Markle a ride: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YjSybZNfS4 It took all of 30 seconds to mount the camera on the jury strut and it was ready to go. With a little more thought and creativity with mounting locations and a little editing a person could make some decent ride videos. The newest version of the GoPro looks REALLY nice. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 9:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kind of OT camera question > > I give quite a few rides and one thing I've been doing lately is holding a > camera out to the side and snapping a picture of the passenger. Been > getting pretty good at my aim. They seem to really like the pictures and > want to have a copy of it. I thought I might try to step it up a little > and try to mount a video camera out on the strut. Does anybody know what > a decent, small, and inexpensive video camera might be to recommend? > > Thanks! > Don Emch > NX899DE > > P.S. Attached is a shot of my son from our "barnstorming trip" this summer > and a shot of my son's teacher later in the summer.... umm, I think he > liked his ride. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389088#389088 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ryan_barnstorming_102.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/mr_louk_182.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Kind of OT camera question
Date: Nov 26, 2012
5:39 - The Death Defying High Speed Pass! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 8:12 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kind of OT camera question --> Mr. Bacon mentioned the GoPro. This is from Brodhead giving Ben Markle a ride: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YjSybZNfS4 It took all of 30 seconds to mount the camera on the jury strut and it was ready to go. With a little more thought and creativity with mounting locations and a little editing a person could make some decent ride videos. The newest version of the GoPro looks REALLY nice. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 9:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kind of OT camera question > > I give quite a few rides and one thing I've been doing lately is holding a > camera out to the side and snapping a picture of the passenger. Been > getting pretty good at my aim. They seem to really like the pictures and > want to have a copy of it. I thought I might try to step it up a little > and try to mount a video camera out on the strut. Does anybody know what > a decent, small, and inexpensive video camera might be to recommend? > > Thanks! > Don Emch > NX899DE > > P.S. Attached is a shot of my son from our "barnstorming trip" this summer > and a shot of my son's teacher later in the summer.... umm, I think he > liked his ride. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389088#389088 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ryan_barnstorming_102.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/mr_louk_182.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2012
Subject: Re: Greg Bacon's progress
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Mike, Thanks for your kind words. I appreciate it. Since you asked, I took a few pics this evening. See attached. Although progress has stalled a bit recently due to deer hunting season and Thanksgiving, I did actually move the ball forward by getting the wing struts powder coated this month. They look phenomenal, and for $12 each, it was a bargain. The wing and CS are both covered and awaiting UV and finished paint coats. The light at the end of the tunnel is in sight! I also included pics of the aileron cable penetrations, because I thought it was worth sharing. Except for widening the CS, I'm attempting to duplicate John Dilatush's work in order to have closely matching wing panels. John modified the inspection plate for the bottom aileron penetration. This is cool because it gives nice access to the pulleys and top cable. Does anyone know if this is John's idea, or have others done this? There is a fair amount of work to be done on the fuselage prior to flying; new bungees, replace gas lines, clean gas tank, fix flat tire, change oil, install new battery, and a few other tasks. I'm sure some other things will pop up to. Will keep you posted. Greg Bacon NX114D (Mountain Piet) On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: > Greg-you are doing some fine looking work and I like your priorities with > your basement drywalled but**** > > not completely finished=97yet you=92re working on the Piet. You got it right > J! **** > > ** ** > > If you have any other progress photos I for one would be happy if you > shared them with us. Perhaps you=92ve**** > > already got a Chris Tracy Westcoast Piet web site photo bunch entered. * > *** > > ** ** > > Mike C.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2012
From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: center section question
tanks for the advice Don, just nex days stared put togheter my center secti on ,yesterday finished my last rib 30 all, one nouse and cuple section for those center section ,just tookmy 5month, 4days , 3hours, 15minuts,10secons , 2tick and one tock, but is bery relaxing make aribs and make the time fly ,tanks all you guys, all way frienly help and-talk all your coment, peop le like my need alot .bery soorry for not by so god to these site for send you pictured and chare more stuff but, raly tanks for you help and jope one those days met you for drink coffe and haved long nice talk ,frienly jorge from hanfor,;; note I whished my ducku ugly (my piet ) looks so wonderfull like your did whit your ships realy is a museum pice.=0A=0A=0AFrom: Don Em ch =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, No vember 26, 2012 1:05 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: center section quest =0A=0AYou can keep a nice neat and uniform appearance if you run a capstrip in the location where a rib would be and glue it to the underside of the p lywood.- It adds a little stiffness to the plywood too.- Then drill sma ll holes in the plywood and stitch the fabric to the capstrip/plywood.- K eeps it very neat and uniform and I always like the idea of stitching rathe r than glueing, even if it is on the underside.- That's how I did mine... but again, there are many "correct" methods out there.- :D =0A=0ADon Emc h=0ANX899DE=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.m = ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Greg Bacon's progress
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Nov 26, 2012
Appears to be. He apparently replied to your thread on the center section to include some photos. I don't see it either. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389097#389097 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kind of OT camera question
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 27, 2012
The strut and nose shots were taken by a GoPro in this vid from two summers ago http://youtu.be/MiLcMV7N8r0 Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 10:52 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Kind of OT camera question 5:39 - The Death Defying High Speed Pass! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 8:12 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kind of OT camera question --> Mr. Bacon mentioned the GoPro. This is from Brodhead giving Ben Markle a ride: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YjSybZNfS4 It took all of 30 seconds to mount the camera on the jury strut and it was ready to go. With a little more thought and creativity with mounting locations and a little editing a person could make some decent ride videos. The newest version of the GoPro looks REALLY nice. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 9:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kind of OT camera question > > I give quite a few rides and one thing I've been doing lately is holding a > camera out to the side and snapping a picture of the passenger. Been > getting pretty good at my aim. They seem to really like the pictures and > want to have a copy of it. I thought I might try to step it up a little > and try to mount a video camera out on the strut. Does anybody know what > a decent, small, and inexpensive video camera might be to recommend? > > Thanks! > Don Emch > NX899DE > > P.S. Attached is a shot of my son from our "barnstorming trip" this summe r > and a shot of my son's teacher later in the summer.... umm, I think he > liked his ride. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389088#389088 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ryan_barnstorming_102.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/mr_louk_182.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kind of OT camera question
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Nov 27, 2012
Thanks guys! It looks like I need to check out the GoPro. Greg, I can't believe how steady the camera is throughout that video. Either your airplane has turbine smoothness or that camera just doesn't pick up the vibrations. Very nice! Yep, might need to rethink the Santa list. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389104#389104 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2012
Subject: GoPro - camera mount infomation
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Pieters - See the forwarded email from Robert Lees. He introduced me (and many others) to the GoPro camera. For those of you who haven't met him, Robert almost always makes the Brodhead gatherings. He has an awesome Taylorcraft that he restored. He's a super nice bloke from the UK. By the way, you can only see his youtube vids through the link below. You will not find them by youtube search. His vids are unlisted or something like that. Greg Bacon NX114D (Mountain Piet) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Robert Lees <robert.lees(at)gmx.com> Date: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 11:14 AM Subject: Re: Hello Robert! Cc: Greg Cardinal Hi Greg (& Greg!) Thanks for the compliment; it was a lot of work at the time, but you'll know all about that! For my wingtip camera, I have a similar set-up to what you describe. Two threaded inserts that are affixed to my wingtip bow. To these, I bolt a 6-foot long aluminium tube (about 1-1/2 inch diameter) with the bolts simply going through two holes drilled through the tube. This is the result: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLP9YUvkARM The fore-and-aft views are with the GoPro stuck to the skylight with the rubber sucker. I now use a piece of neutral density film (filter) in the lens to get rid of those awful prop artifacts. I have lots of other ideas, including an old mount that I used 15 years ago for an old still camera that put the camera about 12 inches below the wingtip, which had the following result back then: http://www.taylorcraft.org.uk/N%20Norway2.jpg and http://www.taylorcraft.org.uk/brey_final_for_hFest.jpg A lot is up to your own imagination! Good to hear from you, and no, that wasn't me in your 2004 photo, although I could see why you thought it might. Best regards, Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Bacon Sent: 10/12/12 02:13 PM Subject: Hello Robert! Hi Robert, I just visited your web site to get your email address. G-BREY looks incredible. Your restoration looks absolutely awesome. No doubt your aircraft is BETTER than new. Mtn Piet wing rebuild is going well. Since our trip to Brodhead this Summer, the girls want me to get her flying soon. As such, I've made a lot of progress. Just last night, I finished rib stitching and applied most of the rib finish tape (see photo). I would like your advice on this. I strengthened the wingtip bow to facilitate the wing rotator. The rotator is secured with 5/16 inch all-thread. I heard you say something to Greg Cardinal about mounting your GoPro camera on some kind of fixture at the end of the wing for a better camera view. This gave me the wonderful idea of using the wing rotator attach points for securing a camera mount. I'm leaving in the blind nuts and plan to fill the holes with nylon bolts. The attach points are 24 inches apart. What are your recommendations for a camera mount/fixture? What is the best location for the camera (centered and below the wing, extended forward of leading edge, etc)? Or, should I fabricate a mount with multiple camera locations. I appreciate your input and ideas. Cheers! Greg -- Greg Bacon -- Greg Bacon ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: A good Day
This time of year is my favorite for many reasons...including the time off from work and building the plane. Once again I will be- having Aero Fest; my build marathon over the Christmas holiday. The plan is to cover the win gs...maybe start painting them. The area you live in is fantastic...great place to fly. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Greg Bacon's progress
I always love to see "in work" photos. Most times I see things that are different and make me consider different approaches to building. I do have a question Greg: the inspection cover shot...it appears to me that there is no plastic re-enforcement ring around where the cover sits. It looks like there was just a fabric "doubler" installed and no plastic ring. Everything looks real nice. I will be starting the covering of my wings...NOT looking forward to rib stitching! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Greg Bacon's progress
Date: Nov 27, 2012
Michael, rib stitching is not really that bad. Just use one of your kids (or wife) to position him/her self on the other side of the wing to return the needle to you so that you don't have to either walk around to the other side or turn the wing over to complete the stitch. My wife helped me when I recovered the Piper Tripacer. I used Ceconite 102 and the whole dope routine on it. The Stewart system had not made the news at that time (possibly didn't exist). Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greg Bacon's progress I always love to see "in work" photos. Most times I see things that are different and make me consider different approaches to building. I do have a question Greg: the inspection cover shot...it appears to me that there is no plastic re-enforcement ring around where the cover sits. It looks like there was just a fabric "doubler" installed and no plastic ring. Everything looks real nice. I will be starting the covering of my wings...NOT looking forward to rib stitching! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2012
From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: A good Day
Good video ...=C2- did you see the deer that that ran behind you when you taxi in ....=C2-=C2- Cool !! --- On Mon, 11/26/12, Jack Phillips wrote: From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: A good Day Date: Monday, November 26, 2012, 8:21 PM Had a chance to fly both airplanes =93 my Pietenpol and my RV-4 today .=C2- 63=C2=B0 and calm winds, which is a far cry from the high of 42=C2 =B0 they are forecasting for tomorrow.=C2- This time of year I try to fly the Pietenpol every day that I can with warm temperatures.=C2- Very nice flying above Smith Mountain Lake , a beautiful lake surrounded by the Blue Ridge Mountains .=C2- Here=99s a video shot by a friend of mine as I took him and his wife flying in my plane a couple of years ago.=C2- I think I posted this a couple of years ago but some of the newer builders mi ght enjoy this as inspiration for the coming winter (prime building) months . =C2- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5HZGq0YZ2Y =C2- Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Rib Stitching
Date: Nov 27, 2012
Rib stitching is to be rejoiced! It's a rite of passage!...and it's not all that bad. My son helped with wing #1, but the 2nd wing I did by myself.8 hrs!...a good opportunity to reflect on the slowy goodness of Pietenpols. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 7:28 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greg Bacon's progress I always love to see "in work" photos. Most times I see things that are different and make me consider different approaches to building. I do have a question Greg: the inspection cover shot...it appears to me that there is no plastic re-enforcement ring around where the cover sits. It looks like there was just a fabric "doubler" installed and no plastic ring. Everything looks real nice. I will be starting the covering of my wings...NOT looking forward to rib stitching! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: A good Day
Date: Nov 27, 2012
Unfortunately, deer are very common on the airport here. A couple of weeks ago I was giving some instruction in a DiamondStar DA-40 and just as we landed 5 deer ran across the runway right in front of us. We were too fast to stop, but too slow to takeoff again. We miseed the last of the 5 by less than a foot. I now have a treestand up near the runway and spend a couple of hours a day up in that stand with a compound bow. A friend got one last week with a crossbow, but I have not gotten a shot yet. Too many houses close by to hunt with a gun. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Metcalfe Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A good Day Good video ... did you see the deer that that ran behind you when you taxi in .... Cool !! --- On Mon, 11/26/12, Jack Phillips wrote: From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: A good Day Date: Monday, November 26, 2012, 8:21 PM Had a chance to fly both airplanes ' my Pietenpol and my RV-4 today. 63=B0 and calm winds, which is a far cry from the high of 42=B0 they are forecasting for tomorrow. This time of year I try to fly the Pietenpol every day that I can with warm temperatures. Very nice flying above Smith Mountain Lake , a beautiful lake surrounded by the Blue Ridge Mountains . Here=92s a video shot by a friend of mine as I took him and his wife flying in my plane a couple of years ago. I think I posted this a couple of years ago but some of the newer builders might enjoy this as inspiration for the coming winter (prime building) months. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5HZGq0YZ2Y Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia ollow target=_blank>www.aeroelectric.com /" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com ofollow target=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Greg Bacon's progress
I guess once I get a system down and a routine, it won't be so bad.- Stil l, I'll be glad when it is done! Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Rib Stitching
When doing something for the first time, it is quite enjoyable. But I am no t a fan of repetitive work. Building my first few ribs was cool, but after rib number 4 or so, I had my fill and was ready to do something else.- Sa me with stitching the tail surfaces...after I had my first surface stitched , I was ready to move on. really wasn't in the mood to do the stitching on the others. I just envisioned the wings, with all their ribs and each rib w ith all it's stitches and knots and feeding the needle through one side and back, (alone)... If I can get a wing done by myself in 8 hrs., I will be very, very pleased! I just assumed it would take days. My plan is to start this process over my Christmas build-fest, not sure I'l l be ready by then. I am currently working on the cockpit padding/trim...I also need to cover/paint the center section... Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2012
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Coming
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From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Rib Stitching
Date: Nov 27, 2012
Working by myself it took me about 12 hours per wing to rib-lace. I did the first wing in one day. On the second wing I spaced it out over 3 days. I found it very satisfying. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching When doing something for the first time, it is quite enjoyable. But I am not a fan of repetitive work. Building my first few ribs was cool, but after rib number 4 or so, I had my fill and was ready to do something else. Same with stitching the tail surfaces...after I had my first surface stitched, I was ready to move on. really wasn't in the mood to do the stitching on the others. I just envisioned the wings, with all their ribs and each rib with all it's stitches and knots and feeding the needle through one side and back, (alone)... If I can get a wing done by myself in 8 hrs., I will be very, very pleased! I just assumed it would take days. My plan is to start this process over my Christmas build-fest, not sure I'll be ready by then. I am currently working on the cockpit padding/trim...I also need to cover/paint the center section... Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Greg Bacon's progress
From: Gmail <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 27, 2012
Mike, The plastic reinforcing ring is there. It is under the plate. And rib stitching was a source of anxiety for me before doing it. But it wa sn't that bad. In fact, it brought the whole family into the project. Greg On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > > I always love to see "in work" photos. Most times I see things that are di fferent and make me consider different approaches to building. > > I do have a question Greg: the inspection cover shot...it appears to me th at there is no plastic re-enforcement ring around where the cover sits. It l ooks like there was just a fabric "doubler" installed and no plastic ring. > > Everything looks real nice. I will be starting the covering of my wings... NOT looking forward to rib stitching! > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Rib Stitching
I am feeling better about it now. I know some of the other aspects of the b uild that I was not looking forward too...like the wood landing gear...actu ally ended up more satisfying then I thought and was not as big of a hassle as I had envisioned.- My other hang up is the engine cowling work...as s oon as I make the exhaust. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2012
Subject: Re: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65
From: John Egan <1smilingmoon(at)gmail.com>
To finish up the throttle attachment question I had - regarding a method to attach Bowden style throttle cales, I found a photo I took at Brodhead last summer of a nice engine installation on a Hatz. I beleive the blue cable clamp in the photo is a "Cable Safe No Slip Grip" Aircraft Spruce part no 05-16250 (see attached photo). They also sell a similar grip as the one shown in the photo. ACS also sells a collet style solid wire fitting to attach a threaded fork end if desired on the wire end of the cable, but I think I'll try to use a "B-Nut" on each end (not the type of b-nut that they sell in local hardware stores, but the aircraft style b-nut as it looks a little better). So I ordered a couple of these cable clamps and a b-nut today. Thanks for the input every one. John starting to get get cold in the shop in Wisconsin... On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 4:19 PM, John Egan <1smilingmoon(at)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Oscar, > > I did look at your web site prior to posting my question as you have some > good information for us builders. I looked at the engine on the motor > mount today, and it appears to me that I could use the double Adel clamp > method you describe, as my "X" brace tubing for the motor mount crosses the > path of the throttle cable in about the correct place. I'll plan on fixing > the cable at the tubing in this location. > > Thank you, > > john e. > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:49 AM, taildrags wrote: > >> >> John: take a look at the last two photos here: >> >> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75.html >> >> This is how Scout is rigged, and the way you describe the routing is >> precisely the way I have it. I'm sorry that the photos don't show where or >> how the cable is secured along the way, but I know that it is secured in at >> least one place and I used the double Adel clamp method that is shown in >> Tony's book. One clamp is on one of the tubes of the engine mount, and >> then a second clamp (bolted to the first) clamps the throttle cable. >> >> -------- >> Oscar Zuniga >> Medford, OR >> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" >> A75 power >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388535#388535 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Greg Bacon's progress
Date: Nov 27, 2012
Greg: when I was in the rebuild of my airplane=2C I started out with a looo onnnggg list of 'to-do' items and each time I'd go out to the hangar and wo rk on it=2C another item or two got scratched off but I'd find myself addin g a new item or two that I wanted to get done. Pretty soon I would condens e and reorganize the old scratched-out list onto a clean paper=2C add new i tems that came up=2C and keep going that way. At some point=2C I decided t o go through the list and put a bullet next to items that I considered to b e essential to safety of flight. Amazing... there were only about a half-d ozen. Of those=2C only two were really essential to me firing up the engin e and ground-testing systems=2C so in another two weekends I got to hear th e engine run! I was able to check out my fuel system=2C ignition systems =2C instrument readings=2C and other items- and if I would have had access to fish scales=2C I could have even checked static thrust. Things progress ed with much more enthusiasm from then on=2C and I was able to take my time with quite a few items on the list *after* return to flight and the joys t hat it brings. The moral of the story is=2C don't push the safety envelope just so you can get flying=2C but recognize that you may be closer to testing than you thi nk. Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C Oregon hangar T6 Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2012
From: johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au
Subject: Re: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65
I was looking through this thread and was surprised to see that guys are relying on a wire clamped with a grub screw (B-clamp) to connect to the throttle lever. I like Oscar's use of a fork end which can be secured to the throttle lever. No chance of wire slipping out of the B-clamp. John Woods Perth ----- "John Egan" <1smilingmoon(at)gmail.com> wrote: > To finish up the throttle attachment question I had - regarding a method to attach Bowden style throttle cales, I found a photo I took at Brodhead last summer of a nice engine installation on a Hatz. I beleive the blue cable clamp in the photo is a "Cable Safe No Slip Grip" Aircraft Spruce part no 05-16250 (see attached photo). They also sell a similar grip as the one shown in the photo. ACS also sells a collet style solid wire fitting to attach a threaded fork end if desired on the wire end of the cable, but I think I'll try to use a "B-Nut" on each end (not the type of b-nut that they sell in local hardware stores, but the aircraft style b-nut as it looks a little better). So I ordered a couple of these cable clamps and a b-nut today. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2012
Subject: Re: Greg Bacon's progress
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Oscar - Thanks for the advice. In the spirit of your message, I'm setting a deadline for the "fish scale" thrust test for no later than Jan 31st. This will push me a bit to get the battery installed and fuel tank cleaned and ready. Don't worry about safety, that IS my number one consideration. In fact, I already had my aircraft mechanic out for a site visit to inspect the wing prior to covering. He took a bunch of photos and commented that it looked "marvelous" and to cover it up! He will be out again to look at it for the purpose of issuing a ferry permit. I'll then fly it to his shop for it's first annual inspection since 2004. Thank again for you inspiring message! Greg Bacon NX114D (Mountain Piet) On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > Greg: when I was in the rebuild of my airplane, I started out with a > loooonnnggg list of 'to-do' items and each time I'd go out to the hangar > and work on it, another item or two got scratched off but I'd find myself > adding a new item or two that I wanted to get done. Pretty soon I would > condense and reorganize the old scratched-out list onto a clean paper, add > new items that came up, and keep going that way. At some point, I decided > to go through the list and put a bullet next to items that I considered to > be essential to safety of flight. Amazing... there were only about a > half-dozen. Of those, only two were really essential to me firing up the > engine and ground-testing systems, so in another two weekends I got to hear > the engine run! I was able to check out my fuel system, ignition systems, > instrument readings, and other items- and if I would have had access to > fish scales, I could have even checked static thrust. Things progressed > with much more enthusiasm from then on, and I was able to take my time with > quite a few items on the list *after* return to flight and the joys that it > brings. > > The moral of the story is, don't push the safety envelope just so you can > get flying, but recognize that you may be closer to testing than you think. > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon hangar T6 > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > * > > * > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rib Stitching
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Nov 28, 2012
I thought it was kinda fun... my wife would say the whole time i was building.. " I'm gonna help stitch" well.. i showed her a few stitches and she replied.."uhh...i can't do that.." I assured here she could but she wouldn't ..so i did it all. It was a kinda zen couple of days jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389253#389253 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2012
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just 3 Days Left - Please Make Your List Contribution
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Subject: Well... it's an airplane
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Nov 28, 2012
So today is kinda big.. 2 years and 28 days from the first rib to a pink ticket. the DAR wasn't concerned with the construction much at all because i was an "A&P and IA".... not that they mean i know how to build a plane but it made the little visit pleasant.. jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389355#389355 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cert_777.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Well... it's an airplane
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Nov 28, 2012
Congratulations! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:42 PM, "bender" wrote: > > So today is kinda big.. > 2 years and 28 days from the first rib to a pink ticket. > the DAR wasn't concerned with the construction much at all because i was an "A&P and IA".... not that they mean i know how to build a plane but it made the little visit pleasant.. > > jeff > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389355#389355 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/cert_777.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Nov 28, 2012
Subject: Well... it's an airplane
Way to go Jeff Faith in getting your Experimental Amateur Built Airworthiness Certificate!!!! That is a really fast build time. Congratulations! Obviously we all want to know when taxi testing and all will begin and possible first flight. Sure hope you can share a video with us of your flight. Will you have to mix with the jets with your Model A Ford using a handheld? I hope the tower gives "Gulfstream fourty-nine Zulu, use caution, wake turbulence, departing Pietenpol Air Camper Runway 5L." Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Subject: Well... it's an airplane
Date: Nov 28, 2012
Congrats Jeff!!! Brian SLC-UT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 1:43 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Well... it's an airplane --> So today is kinda big.. 2 years and 28 days from the first rib to a pink ticket. the DAR wasn't concerned with the construction much at all because i was an "A&P and IA".... not that they mean i know how to build a plane but it made the little visit pleasant.. jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389355#389355 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cert_777.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Well... it's an airplane
Date: Nov 28, 2012
Way to go, Jeff! You are just hours or days away now from the best feeling in the world. Let us know how it goes. Are you planning to fly it to Brodhead next summer? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:43 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Well... it's an airplane So today is kinda big.. 2 years and 28 days from the first rib to a pink ticket. the DAR wasn't concerned with the construction much at all because i was an "A&P and IA".... not that they mean i know how to build a plane but it made the little visit pleasant.. jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389355#389355 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cert_777.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Well... it's an airplane
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Nov 28, 2012
thanks guys.. I have a transponder and a FL-760 radio... so i'm good on the communications... I flew my 120 out of there for years, it's kinda funny when the airlines have to hold short for landing traffic and its me in an antique.. i'm looking forward to brodhead and plan to start flying soon..on the warmer days. jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389366#389366 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Nov 28, 2012
Subject: a water-cooled something-or-other engine on a Piet
Thanks to some inadvertent dart-throwing at some of the MANY wonderful Piet photos that Chris Tracy has posted for us I ran across this one. I wonder what Joshua used for an engine. Water cooled, reduction drive. Subaru? Nice looking plane, cowling, an d fit and finish! How many of you have ever seen this one? Chris sure has some gems on hi s site....I just have never taken the time to look thru all of them before. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Joshua%20Harel/pictures.htm [cid:image001.jpg(at)01CDCD9A.C5DDFD90] [cid:image002.jpg(at)01CDCD9A.C5DDFD90] ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Well... it's an airplane
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Nov 28, 2012
Jeff what fantastic news, congrats! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Nov 28, 2012, at 2:42 PM, "bender" wrote: > > So today is kinda big.. > 2 years and 28 days from the first rib to a pink ticket. > the DAR wasn't concerned with the construction much at all because i was an "A&P and IA".... not that they mean i know how to build a plane but it made the little visit pleasant.. > > jeff > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389355#389355 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/cert_777.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2012
Subject: Re: Well... it's an airplane
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Congratulations Jeff. Have a beer on me! Hope to see you at Brodhead next year. Greg Bacon NX114D (Mountain Piet) On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Jack wrote: > > Jeff what fantastic news, congrats! > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Nov 28, 2012, at 2:42 PM, "bender" wrote: > > jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> > > > > So today is kinda big.. > > 2 years and 28 days from the first rib to a pink ticket. > > the DAR wasn't concerned with the construction much at all because i was > an "A&P and IA".... not that they mean i know how to build a plane but it > made the little visit pleasant.. > > > > jeff > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389355#389355 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/cert_777.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Well... it's an airplane
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Date: Nov 29, 2012
Congratulations! Couple of photos please?? Next year Brodhead is going to be great!! Gene On Nov 28, 2012, at 3:42 PM, "bender" wrote: > > So today is kinda big.. > 2 years and 28 days from the first rib to a pink ticket. > the DAR wasn't concerned with the construction much at all because i was an "A&P and IA".... not that they mean i know how to build a plane but it made the little visit pleasant.. > > jeff > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389355#389355 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/cert_777.jpg > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Well... it's an airplane
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Nov 28, 2012
Brodhead... Brodhead... let's see now; isn't that somewhere by Livermore or Modesto? Sure, me and Scout can make it! Jeff, congratulations on achieving a tremendous milestone. It will be a permanent bookmark in the journal of your life. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389385#389385 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Well... it's an airplane
That's a fast build!- Good work. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Well... It's an airplane
From: woodflier(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 29, 2012
Jeff, congratulations. Can't wait to see the first flight pics/video and se e it in person at Brodhead next summer. Matt Paxton NX629ML ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2012
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just Two Days Left! - Still Behind...
Dear Listers, There are just two more days left in this years List Fund Raiser. Over the last couple of weeks I have received some more really nice comments from members on what the Lists have meant to them. I have included a few more of them below. Please read over the comments and ponder on your own feelings about the Lists and the support and camaraderie you have found here. We are still behind last year in terms of the number of contributions. I really want to keep providing these services to the homebuilt community, but it take resources. Since there's no advertising budget or deep pockets to keep the operation a float, its solely your generosity during the Fund Raiser that keeps things going. Please make a Contribution today. If you've been putting off showing your support for the Lists, now is the time to do it! Make a contribution with a Credit Card or though PayPal at that Matronics Contribution web site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a check in the mail: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore, CA 94550 Thank you in advance for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ==================== A Few List Member Comments ===================== I have been flying my Pietenpol for a month now and am enjoying the fruits of ten hard years of work. I seriously doubt it would ever have been finished but for the help, encouragement and friendships I've received and made through the Pietenpol list. Douwe B Hey-Long time subscriber, zero-time contributor. Just a note of thanks. This is first time I have the resources to contribute. Thanks for carrying a lightweight for years and a special thanks for your time and effort. Billy R My 601 hd is flying with the help with the listers. Noel G A very useful facility. Graeme B ..great site! Robert C Great Pietenpol site! Don Y Not active but always interested in keeping up. Enjoy when I can. Richard R Dave and Tim from Aircrafters just want to reiterate our thanks for hosting the lists. Tim F. I don't have a lot to give at this time of year, but I hope my contribution helps none the less. I really enjoy the message board. Mark C Thanks to your continued work on maintaining these lists. Ralph C The lists and the various contributors have been a great help while I was building and also now that I'm flying. Albert G Very helpful tools for the homebuilder. Vaughn T We appreciate your great help! Richard H Many of our customers have expressed to us that you provide them with an invaluable service - and we agree! Bill B I Fly a Quicksilver GT400 but love to read what the Kolb boys have to say and it was on your list that I found out about the Yamaha product Ring Free,, now called engine med, that shit works.. no carbon in my rings or any to speak of with the use of the Yamaha product with a premix 503 with over 300 hrs of use.. thanks to your Kolb bulletin board. Robert B You are providing a valuable service that helps a lot of people through information sharing. When I built my Pietenpol over 40 years ago we were largely on our own, working without a resource like this list. Graham H Thanks for the opportunity to link us all, keep the good work! Peter B ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Jeff F
Date: Nov 29, 2012
Congratulations Jeff!! Absolutely can't wait to see another beautiful Ford go roaring into the skies! "pockitapockitapockitapockita..." D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jeff F
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Nov 29, 2012
thanks man I'll be buzzing your place soon ... about 50 miles away..? jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389481#389481 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: a water-cooled something-or-other engine on a Piet
Date: Nov 29, 2012
EA-81 Subaru with belt redrive Barry From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: a water-cooled something-or-other engine on a Piet Thanks to some inadvertent dart-throwing at some of the MANY wonderful Piet photos that Chris Tracy has posted for us I ran across this one. I wonder what Joshua used for an engine. Water cooled, reduction drive. Subaru? Nice looking plane, cowling, and fit and finish! How many of you have ever seen this one? Chris sure has some gems on his site..I just have never taken the time to look thru all of them before. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Joshua%20Harel/pictures.htm Description: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Joshua%20Harel/images/N99JH_011_jpg.jpg Description: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Joshua%20Harel/images/N99JH20002_jpg.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kind of OT camera question
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Nov 29, 2012
Awesome... there is nothing quite like flying the Piet on skis. So much fun it almost makes you forget how cold it is... Almost! I don't have mine on the skis yet. I'm still enjoying it on wheels. Won't be long for the skis though.. I bought a set of old Jacobsen skis to use on the Chief. Now my dad doesn't have an excuse to avoid the cold. He will have to fly along with me this winter in the Chief while I'm in the Piet. Looking forward to it! Your looks great on the skis! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389490#389490 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Jeff
Date: Nov 30, 2012
Hey Jeff, Probably more like 75 miles, but I'll meet you wherever you like. I'm really wanting to ck out Lee Bottom, and my friend owns Crawdaddy private airstrip in Carrollton, both really nice grass fields. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Aerovee Engine Revisited
From: "Harvey Plummer" <plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Nov 30, 2012
Thanks to all of the input from many of you guys and some additional study, I've come to the conclusion there are better alternatives to the VW/Aerovee for a Piet. Simply. The Aerovee puts out about 125 ft./lbs. of torque and turns a 54" prop easily. The Continental A-65 puts out about 150 ft./lbs. of torque and the Corvair about 160 ft./lbs. Both would do a better job of swining a 72" plus prop and get the necessary thrust required for the Piet. Does anyone have a torque/HP curve for the Model A Ford? Any suggestions on the best sources to purchase Model A, A-65 or Corvair? Thanks for the input. -------- Harv, 485PB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389514#389514 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2012
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Aerovee Engine Revisited
Date: Nov 30, 2012
As for the Corvair, the only/best way to start is to visit these two sites: www.flycorvair.net; www.flycorvair.com. I am glad to see that you have moved on from the VW. Continental, Corvair, Ford are ALL better choices! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harvey Plummer Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 6:53 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aerovee Engine Revisited --> Thanks to all of the input from many of you guys and some additional study, I've come to the conclusion there are better alternatives to the VW/Aerovee for a Piet. Simply. The Aerovee puts out about 125 ft./lbs. of torque and turns a 54" prop easily. The Continental A-65 puts out about 150 ft./lbs. of torque and the Corvair about 160 ft./lbs. Both would do a better job of swining a 72" plus prop and get the necessary thrust required for the Piet. Does anyone have a torque/HP curve for the Model A Ford? Any suggestions on the best sources to purchase Model A, A-65 or Corvair? Thanks for the input. -------- Harv, 485PB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389514#389514 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Tach sensor for Corvair
Date: Nov 30, 2012
Does anyone know the part # and brand of the tooth counter for a Stewart Warner tach for a Corvair engine. Not the big plastic one, but the small one about the diameter of a pencil? Thanks Barry Davis NX973BP ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2012
Subject: Re: Tach sensor for Corvair
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
Barry, Contrex 5800-1412, I believe: http://www.galco.com/buy/Contrex/5800-1412 On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Barry Davis wrote: > Does anyone know the part # and brand of the tooth counter for a Stewart > Warner tach for a Corvair engine. Not the big plastic one, but the small > one about the diameter of a pencil?**** > > Thanks**** > > Barry Davis**** > > NX973BP**** > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Tach sensor for Corvair
Date: Nov 30, 2012
Barry, WW should surely know. He uses a tooth counter all the time. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Davis To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 2:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tach sensor for Corvair Does anyone know the part # and brand of the tooth counter for a Stewart Warner tach for a Corvair engine. Not the big plastic one, but the small one about the diameter of a pencil? Thanks Barry Davis NX973BP ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tach sensor for Corvair
From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Date: Nov 30, 2012
Don' know if its the one you are Looking for, but, My instructions for the 82636 SW tach say to use the 82646 sending unit I think Summit Racing sells them -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389631#389631 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Inspection rings
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Nov 30, 2012
Gracias Santiago... -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389641#389641 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2012
Subject: Re: Aerovee Engine Revisited
From: macz(at)peak.org
Hello-- According to a 1930 Ford sales catalog, the "stock" Model A engine had a peak HP of about 38 and peak torque of about 125 lbs--BUT peak torque was at about 1200 RPM which is what is important for swinging a direct drive, big prop. And, of course, most folks pump up the Model A a bit with high compression heads, B carburetors and intake manifolds, etc. --Mac in Oregon > > > Thanks to all of the input from many of you guys and some additional > study, I've come to the conclusion there are better alternatives to the > VW/Aerovee for a Piet. > > Simply. The Aerovee puts out about 125 ft./lbs. of torque and turns a 54" > prop easily. The Continental A-65 puts out about 150 ft./lbs. of torque > and the Corvair about 160 ft./lbs. Both would do a better job of swining a > 72" plus prop and get the necessary thrust required for the Piet. > > Does anyone have a torque/HP curve for the Model A Ford? > > Any suggestions on the best sources to purchase Model A, A-65 or Corvair? > > Thanks for the input. > > -------- > Harv, 485PB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389514#389514 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piet ski flying
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 01, 2012
Awesome! Do you know what kind of skis they are? Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389667#389667 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2012
Subject: Piet Engines - they are everywhere!
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Harvey, Bill Rewey has several (three I think) A65 engines and parts. His number is 608-833-5839. He lives in your neck of the woods, Verona, WI. He also has spruce and other stuff for sale. Mitchel Burns, Brookfield, MO has a Corvair with new internal parts, ready for assembly. You can also find gobs of small engines, continentals, subarus, corvairs, lycomings, etc on www.barnstormers.com. Also, I recommend getting a subscription to the Brodhead Pietenpol Association newsletter. It's full of great information and folks do advertise Piet specific parts through it. It's only $20 a year, or $35 for two years. You can contact them at bpan(at)tds.net. Cheers! -- Greg Bacon NX114D (Mountain Piet) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Piet ski flying
Isn't this the Piet that was at Old Reinbeck airport? I saw it there a couple of times when I was in New York on business trips. Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Tach sensor for Corvair
Date: Dec 01, 2012
Thanks Ryan, Exactly what I am looking for. Barry From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:33 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tach sensor for Corvair Barry, Contrex 5800-1412, I believe: http://www.galco.com/buy/Contrex/5800-1412 On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Barry Davis wrote: Does anyone know the part # and brand of the tooth counter for a Stewart Warner tach for a Corvair engine. Not the big plastic one, but the small one about the diameter of a pencil? Thanks Barry Davis NX973BP _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kind of OT camera question
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 01, 2012
I use a GoPro mounted on the outside of my airplane, and a NVidea mounted on the inside. This video shows footage from both cameras: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-ubbYZGk1s Nice thing about the NVidea is that it plugs into your headsets, so you can record voice. Nice thing about the GoPro is that it's cheaper and has more "stuff", like an external battery pack. With either camera, the limiting factor is battery life. I also bought the remote control for the GoPro, but it doesn't work. There is a new GoPro3 out now, so maybe they fixed that. Pat Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389683#389683 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New Group Member Introduction
From: "hdr0614" <hdr0614(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 02, 2012
Good Morning: I'd like to take the time to introduce myself to the group as a new Pietenpol Air Camper, builder. I have taken on the last Piet that Len McClain, of West Chester had started; my local EAA Chapter 321, Reading had informed me of the project, and the desire of the builder to sell it to someone that would finish the project. It was through the careful, persistant direction of Paul DiMascio, I was pointed in the direction of the Piet. Paul, is a Piet owner, and very experienced builder. We have more then the Piet in common, we have also each built the Mustang designed by Bob Bushby. While my knowledge in wood and fabric is limited to helping others, I am positive with the networking skills I have, I will finish Mr. McClain's Piet as he envisioned the project. My Mustang II, N657HR, now flies in Australia; last year, I sold the plane due to my inability to hold on to my medical. Cancer and the FAA do not play well together, and it became a huge game of hoops.....the kind each of us have jumped through at one time in of life. So the LSA arena is where I will finish out my flying. Looking forward to meeting each of you at your yearly gathering in Brodhead, WI. Herb Rose Sacramento, PA -------- HD Rose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389700#389700 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/out_to_sentimental_journey_klhv_06172010_001_663.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: New Group Member Introduction
Date: Dec 02, 2012
Herb, Welcome to this fine group! I love the idea that you are finishing a previously started project! We require pictures. Also, what are your thoughts for a powerplant, landing gear...paint scheme? I hear black & yellow is popular back east! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of hdr0614 Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 7:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Group Member Introduction Good Morning: I'd like to take the time to introduce myself to the group as a new Pietenpol Air Camper, builder. I have taken on the last Piet that Len McClain, of West Chester had started; my local EAA Chapter 321, Reading had informed me of the project, and the desire of the builder to sell it to someone that would finish the project. It was through the careful, persistant direction of Paul DiMascio, I was pointed in the direction of the Piet. Paul, is a Piet owner, and very experienced builder. We have more then the Piet in common, we have also each built the Mustang designed by Bob Bushby. While my knowledge in wood and fabric is limited to helping others, I am positive with the networking skills I have, I will finish Mr. McClain's Piet as he envisioned the project. My Mustang II, N657HR, now flies in Australia; last year, I sold the plane due to my inability to hold on to my medical. Cancer and the FAA do not play well together, and it became a huge game of hoops.....the kind each of us have jumped through at one time in of life. So the LSA arena is where I will finish out my flying. Looking forward to meeting each of you at your yearly gathering in Brodhead, WI. Herb Rose Sacramento, PA -------- HD Rose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389700#389700 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/out_to_sentimental_journey_klhv_06172010_ 001_663.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Group Member Introduction
From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Date: Dec 02, 2012
Welcome aboard Herb! It was great to meet you yesterday- post up some picts your new project when ya get the chance Earl -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389702#389702 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 02, 2012
From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: New Group Member Introduction
Herb Welcome to the group. I'm not too far away from you. I try to get to local fly-ins and such (in the Tornado since the Piet is not done yet). Perhaps I'll see you at one. Good luck with the project and keep us posted on your progress. Malcolm Morrison http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "hdr0614" <hdr0614(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 10:10:54 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Group Member Introduction Good Morning: I'd like to take the time to introduce myself to the group as a new Pietenpol Air Camper, builder. I have taken on the last Piet that Len McClain, of West Chester had started; my local EAA Chapter 321, Reading had informed me of the project, and the desire of the builder to sell it to someone that would finish the project. It was through the careful, persistant direction of Paul DiMascio, I was pointed in the direction of the Piet. Paul, is a Piet owner, and very experienced builder. We have more then the Piet in common, we have also each built the Mustang designed by Bob Bushby. While my knowledge in wood and fabric is limited to helping others, I am positive with the networking skills I have, I will finish Mr. McClain's Piet as he envisioned the project. My Mustang II, N657HR, now flies in Australia; last year, I sold the plane due to my inability to hold on to my medical. Cancer and the FAA do not play well together, and it became a huge game of hoops.....the kind each of us have jumped through at one time in of life. So the LSA arena is where I will finish out my flying. Looking forward to meeting each of you at your yearly gathering in Brodhead, WI. Herb Rose Sacramento, PA -------- HD Rose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389700#389700 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/out_to_sentimental_journey_klhv_06172010_001_663.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piet ski flying
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 02, 2012
That photo is one of the best Piet pictures I've ever seen, and VERY unique! Fabulous. Ol' 626 has about as close to zero dihedral in the wings as my eyes can discern. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389706#389706 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 02, 2012
Subject: Re: New Group Member Introduction
After much coaxing, and a hangar visit this weekend we finally got Herb to say hello. I met Herb a few years ago while looking for a Tech Counselor to give my build a look a Herb drove a considerable distance to do that, and has been a help ever since. It was great seeing him lately and learning of his new project and now a member of our group. Herb is a great resource and brings a friendly attitude and high skill level with him. I am privileged to have known him for as long as I have and welcome him to the best group of aviation friends I have known. I know Herb will bring as many answers as he does questions along to the group as he continues his project. We look forward to having him at Brodhead as soon as he decides to put tail numbers, names and faces together. Welcome Herb. You re gonna love this group and the build process of your new Piet, its a different group and a different bird than the go fast guys and its not button pushing either. So welcome to the adventure! John ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 02, 2012
Subject: Re: New Group Member Introduction
Herb, you puttin a 200 horse Lyc on it? haha, I have been a long time lurker of the group, and have always fancied the idea of owning a Pietenpol. That is of course if I ever finish MY Mustang! Boyce In a message dated 12/2/2012 11:06:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hdr0614(at)hotmail.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "hdr0614" Good Morning: I'd like to take the time to introduce myself to the group as a new Pietenpol Air Camper, builder. I have taken on the last Piet that Len McClain, of West Chester had started; my local EAA Chapter 321, Reading had informed me of the project, and the desire of the builder to sell it to someone that would finish the project. It was through the careful, persistant direction of Paul DiMascio, I was pointed in the direction of the Piet. Paul, is a Piet owner, and very experienced builder. We have more then the Piet in common, we have also each built the Mustang designed by Bob Bushby. While my knowledge in wood and fabric is limited to helping others, I am positive with the networking skills I have, I will finish Mr. McClain's Piet as he envisioned the project. My Mustang II, N657HR, now flies in Australia; last year, I sold the plane due to my inability to hold on to my medical. Cancer and the FAA do not play well together, and it became a huge game of hoops.....the kind each of us have jumped through at one time in of life. So the LSA arena is where I will finish out my flying. Looking forward to meeting each of you at your yearly gathering in Brodhead, WI. Herb Rose Sacramento, PA -------- HD Rose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389700#389700 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/out_to_sentimental_journey_klhv_06172010_ 001_663.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Airspeed Indicators
Date: Dec 02, 2012
I'm doing this at the suggestion of Ryan Mueller. I need to aquire an airspeed indicator in the 0-to-80 or 120 MPH (maximum) range. I have priced the UMA at Aircraft Spruce at $168.95, the UMA at Chief Aircraft at $162, and the Falcon at Aircraft Spruce at $158. I just wonder if anyone on the list has any knowledge of the Falcon gauge. Ryan says he doesn't know anything about it. All the gauges are available in 0-80 MPH, 0-100 MPH, and 0-120 MPH. Any of you actual Piet pilots have any comments on any of these gauges? I would appreciate any input. Chuck ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 02, 2012
From: Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Airspeed Indicators
Cheap airspeed indicators I have had luck with.=0ACheap altimeters have bee n hit and miss.=0A=0AAndy Abreu=0A6816L=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________ ___________=0A From: C N Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>=0ATo: pietenp ol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 8:22 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Airspeed Indicators=0A =0A=0A =0AI'm doing this at the sugg estion of Ryan =0AMueller.- I need to aquire an airspeed indicator in the 0-to-80 or 120 MPH =0A(maximum) range.- I have priced the UMA at Aircraf t Spruce at $168.95, the =0AUMA at Chief Aircraft at $162, and the Falcon a t Aircraft Spruce at $158.- =0AI just wonder if anyone on the list has an y knowledge of the Falcon gauge.- =0ARyan says he doesn't know anything a bout it.- All the gauges are available =0Ain 0-80 MPH, 0-100 MPH, and 0-1 20 MPH.- Any of you actual Piet pilots have =0Aany comments on any of the ==== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airspeed Indicators
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Dec 02, 2012
I have the same question. Recently on William Wynne's website he said this" Be aware that low-cost instruments like Falcon have been made in China for the last 15 years and they are junk. You are far better off buying used stuff that still has OEM Cessna stickers on it, or some other marking that IDs it as a domestic product." John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389716#389716 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 02, 2012
Subject: Re: Airspeed Indicators
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
+1 for UMA, they are made in the USA: http://www.umainstruments.com/ On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 7:42 PM, John Francis wrote: > > I have the same question. Recently on William Wynne's website he said > this" Be aware that low-cost instruments like =93Falcon=94 have been made in > China for the last 15 years and they are junk. You are far better off > buying used stuff that still has OEM Cessna stickers on it, or some other > marking that ID=92s it as a domestic product." > > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389716#389716 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 02, 2012
Subject: Well as you know its that time of year once again, do
I have to tell ya? It is hardly avoidable that when leaves are frozen to the ground and every piece of metal is so cold that each you touch sticks to your skin with little chance of releasing. It a similar bond to that of the West systems epoxy to wood, you pull it apart and the and the joint remains as the wood fiber remains on one side or the other. Same thing you pull the metal away and you're gonna leave some skin on the metal, funny thing about that bond the metal doesn't sacrifice without a fight and skin always looses. Now, I'm kinda tired of the winter routine of freezing my donkey off in a dark cold hangar and accomplishing nothing. The airport as you know is in the anti heat business and the last time faced with this predicament. They sent me an eviction letter. It seems that the definition of open flame escapes their technological comprehension. The thing to remember is they run the airport so my opinion and or professional expertise come in at a close last to what they think. Right or wrong they are in charge and so goes the logic or lack there of. So I've decided to take Dan Helsper and others at their word and attempt to carve my prop this winter during the famed and feared one and only annual, you guessed it, Buildapalooza!!! Dan and others swear by the process as something that anyone can do. To remedy the entire freeze your ass off part I'm moving back to my old semi subterranean shop where the heat works and no airport BS, what a concept, un bridled, un encumbered work sessions! Now comes your part. I'm looking for the best prop configuration for a Lycoming C1B 0235 powered Piet. I'm looking for dimensions and pitch numbers for best climb performance and any templates and gauges I might be able to borrow through this process. I have been considering a 72X44 but if there's a better one out there I would prefer to use that configuration Naturally I would prefer Dan build it but that's not gonna be a happening thing. So its back to the basement for warmth and prop construction as we begin this years BUILDAPALOOZA with prop making under the direction of Dan. Anyone willing to provide information, time, money , wood, adhesive to the project or just an entire prop finished and ready to go would be welcomed and because of my magnanimous personality and generosity you'll even have a chance to boast about the contribution to my slow moving project. Well here's hoping that everyone has a great December and makes great progress much sawdust and remember if its not a BUILDAPALOOZA its just not a happening thing Sorry to say the builders block has been significant this year with little progress and accomplishment. A word to the wise build with great diligence for the longer it takes the longer it takes. Be well my friends and thank you in advance for any information contributions and advice you are willing to offer. John Not safe any time anymore, just me! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Worthy cause
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Dec 02, 2012
Here's a promotional video, in support of fund-raising for a new home for the Canadian Air and Space Museum, which was recently evicted from its home in one of the old hangars of DeHavilland Canada, where the Chipmunk, Beaver and Otter were born (among other iconic aircraft). What does this have to do with Pietenpols, you ask? Well, this video features actress and Pietenpol owner Michelle Goodeve. There's a bit of footage of her Piet in flight as well. Give it a watch, check out the website and contribute, if you feel so inclined. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt1mtkSrhqU&feature=player_embedded Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389719#389719 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 02, 2012
From: Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Airspeed Indicators
Who really needs an ASI anyway?=C2- Regs say you do, but we should all be able to fly without any dials and gauges.=C2- Good pilot has a good atti tude ... right? :) Andy Abreu N6186L --- On Sun, 12/2/12, John Francis wrote: From: John Francis <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airspeed Indicators Date: Sunday, December 2, 2012, 8:42 PM I have the same question.=C2- Recently on William Wynne's=C2- website h e said this" Be aware that low-cost instruments like =9CFalcon =9D have been made in China for the last 15 years and they are junk. You ar e far better off buying used stuff that still has OEM Cessna stickers on it , or some other marking that ID=99s it as a domestic product." John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389716#389716 h -- EE Gifts!) on om =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. t S WEB FORUMS - ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GoPro - camera mount infomation
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 02, 2012
Regarding the goPro cameras, another option I went for (with eventual Piet videos in mind) is the Replay HD cameras. They are much smaller and in head to head comparisons, are better picture quality (in my opinion....) I bought 3 of these for a video shoot I did for a corporate video this summer, and loved them. They are super simple to mount, as they are cylinders: just snap into the mount. The output is 1080p and really crisp... I'm not a rep for them, but they don't get the name recognition as GoPro has, because they are newer to the market. Just an FYI for ya'll. Cost the same as the GoPro. Check out at: http://replayxd.com/product/replay-xd1080-video-camera-system/ Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389721#389721 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Airspeed Indicators
Date: Dec 02, 2012
That must be why everyone groups their primary flight instrumentsso they can dutifully ignore them. J Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andre Abreu Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 7:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airspeed Indicators Who really needs an ASI anyway? Regs say you do, but we should all be able to fly without any dials and gauges. Good pilot has a good attitude ... right? :) Andy Abreu N6186L --- On Sun, 12/2/12, John Francis wrote: From: John Francis <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airspeed Indicators Date: Sunday, December 2, 2012, 8:42 PM I have the same question. Recently on William Wynne's website he said this" Be aware that low-cost instruments like =9CFalcon=9D have been made in China for the last 15 years and they are junk. You are far better off buying used stuff that still has OEM Cessna stickers on it, or some other marking that ID=99s it as a domestic product." John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389716#389716r's nics.com/contribution" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributp; -Matt Dralle, List Adminbsp; --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-L; <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - <http://forums.matronics.com> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Well as you know its that time of year once again,
do I have to tell ya?
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 03, 2012
John, I'm with you on working in the cold. By brain just shuts down and I find my self standing there just thinking about one thing.....getting warm. Hopeful ly the prop carving journey you will find to be very mind opening. This was the most satisfying part of the whole Piet building process for me for sur e. I am not really an artist like some in this group, so for me it was real ly an accomplishment. I am sure you can do it. Good luck!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Well as you know its that time of year once again,
do I have to tell ya?
From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 03, 2012
Sorry for the low quality of this years rant just don't have it in me at the moment. Enthusiasm is low, holidays and still no job. Things are just not t hat great these days. All to say, sorry to disappoint ya on the buildapalooz a rant I'll keep ya posted if anything changes. Be well John Sent from my iPho On Dec 3, 2012, at 8:13 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > John, > > I'm with you on working in the cold. By brain just shuts down and I find m yself standing there just thinking about one thing.....getting warm. Hopeful ly the prop carving journey you will find to be very mind opening. This was t he most satisfying part of the whole Piet building process for me for sure. I am not really an artist like some in this group, so for me it was really an accomplishment. I am sure you can do it. Good luck!! > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Well as you know its that time of year once again,
do I have to tell ya?
From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 03, 2012
Sorry that wasn't meant for general distribution please disregard Thanks John Sent from my iPhone On Dec 3, 2012, at 9:17 AM, Amsafetyc wrote: > Sorry for the low quality of this years rant just don't have it in me at t he moment. Enthusiasm is low, holidays and still no job. Things are just not that great these days. All to say, sorry to disappoint ya on the buildapalo oza rant > > I'll keep ya posted if anything changes. > > Be well > > John > > Sent from my iPho > > On Dec 3, 2012, at 8:13 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > >> John, >> >> I'm with you on working in the cold. By brain just shuts down and I find m yself standing there just thinking about one thing.....getting warm. Hopeful ly the prop carving journey you will find to be very mind opening. This was t he most satisfying part of the whole Piet building process for me for sure. I am not really an artist like some in this group, so for me it was really an accomplishment. I am sure you can do it. Good luck!! >> >> Dan Helsper >> Puryear, TN > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Well as you know its that time of year once again,
do I have to tell ya?
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Dec 03, 2012
Yes, John, do try to keep your rants on the upper end of the quality scale. Gary NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Dec 3, 2012, at 6:22 AM, Amsafetyc wrote: > Sorry that wasn't meant for general distribution please disregard > > Thanks > > John > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 3, 2012, at 9:17 AM, Amsafetyc wrote: > >> Sorry for the low quality of this years rant just don't have it in me at t he moment. Enthusiasm is low, holidays and still no job. Things are just not that great these days. All to say, sorry to disappoint ya on the buildapalo oza rant >> >> I'll keep ya posted if anything changes. >> >> Be well >> >> John >> >> Sent from my iPho >> >> On Dec 3, 2012, at 8:13 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: >> >>> John, >>> >>> I'm with you on working in the cold. By brain just shuts down and I find myself standing there just thinking about one thing.....getting warm. Hopef ully the prop carving journey you will find to be very mind opening. This wa s the most satisfying part of the whole Piet building process for me for sur e. I am not really an artist like some in this group, so for me it was reall y an accomplishment. I am sure you can do it. Good luck!! >>> >>> Dan Helsper >>> Puryear, TN >> >> >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> ot;">www.aeroelectric.com >> books.com"">www.buildersbooks.com >> quot;">www.homebuilthelp.com >> ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> //forums.matronics.com >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Well as you know its that time of year once again,
do I have to tell ya?
Date: Dec 03, 2012
Smile Son. Never disconcert the masses. -doc- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com On Dec 3, 2012, at 8:22 AM, Amsafetyc wrote: > Sorry that wasn't meant for general distribution please disregard > > Thanks > > John > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 3, 2012, at 9:17 AM, Amsafetyc wrote: > >> Sorry for the low quality of this years rant just don't have it in me at the moment. Enthusiasm is low, holidays and still no job. Things are just not that great these days. All to say, sorry to disappoint ya on the buildapalooza rant >> >> I'll keep ya posted if anything changes. >> >> Be well >> >> John >> >> Sent from my iPho >> >> On Dec 3, 2012, at 8:13 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: >> >>> John, >>> >>> I'm with you on working in the cold. By brain just shuts down and I find myself standing there just thinking about one thing.....getting warm. Hopefully the prop carving journey you will find to be very mind opening. This was the most satisfying part of the whole Piet building process for me for sure. I am not really an artist like some in this group, so for me it was really an accomplishment. I am sure you can do it. Good luck!! >>> >>> Dan Helsper >>> Puryear, TN >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> ot;">www.aeroelectric.com >> books.com"">www.buildersbooks.com >> quot;">www.homebuilthelp.com >> ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> //forums.matronics.com >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube Piet...
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 03, 2012
Hello good Piet-ple, Just a quick update after a weekend of progress..... Mike from "Ready Weld" came by Friday and executed more of his magic. My process is to adapt the design (because so little detail for the steel-tube fuselage is on the plans) cut, fit, and prepare the parts. I then choose to have a professional come for the welding. In this way I can enjoy the building, cutting, fitting aspects of the project and don't run the risk of screwing things up with my lack of welding skills - just a choice of how I am doing things. This bellcrank assembly will allow the elevator cables to run on the outside of the fuselage for more of an olde-timey look. I adapted a step from a Piper Tomahawk on the left side. I learned to fly on a Tomahawk (insert derogatory/inflammatory comment here - too bad I LIKED flying that plane) so I wanted to include a piece of a Tomahawk somehow on my Piet. The step was the part I chose as I needed a step anyway and the part has seemed to adapt quite well (IMHO). The other area I had prepared was the aft fuselage and mounts for the horizontal tail. Mike did an especially nice welding job in this area. Having fun in my indoors/heated garage in rainy Seattle......!! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389753#389753 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_bellcrank_welded_373.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_bellcrank_welded_underside_685.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/3_horiz_tail_mounts_422.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_tomahawk_step_131.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_step_163.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: AN5820-1 turn & bank
Date: Dec 03, 2012
Anybody happen to have a parts diagram or overhaul manual for a Pioneer Ins truments AN5820-1 vacuum turn & bank? Or anything similar? Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Group Member Introduction
From: "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com>
Date: Dec 03, 2012
Welcome Herb! Judging from your picture of the nice Mustang II, you are no doubt already familiar with Tony Bingeliss books on construction and are well prepared to build another airplane. First piece of friendly advice is get a hold of a copy of The Great Waldo Pepper and watch it multiple times. This group has been able to glean most of lifes answers from that source and familiarity with it will greatly increase your understanding of answers and comments from them. Welcome aboard youre gonna love this! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389762#389762 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube Piet...
From: "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com>
Date: Dec 03, 2012
Jake, As you modify the aft portion one suggestion I can offer is to consider some sort of handle back by the tail. It can be a short piece of tube, or streamlined material, but without it, the temptation will be to lift the tail by the horizontal stabilizer when moving on the ground. Just a thought. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389764#389764 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube Piet...
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 03, 2012
Thanks Bill.... yes, I have already made the part (kind of a "u" shaped tube/hoop) that will be welded back by the tail (aka Piper Cub) but I want to have all the cables and tail components in place before I determine the exact placement. I plan to only have one on the left side.... Are you flying yet...!??!? -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389768#389768 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube Piet...
From: "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com>
Date: Dec 03, 2012
aerocarjake wrote: > Thanks Bill.... yes, I have already made the part (kind of a "u" shaped tube/hoop) that will be welded back by the tail (aka Piper Cub) but I want to have all the cables and tail components in place before I determine the exact placement. I plan to only have one on the left side.... > > Are you flying yet...!??!? I should have figured - but I didn't want you asking why I didn't mention it while you were building when we're relaxing at a fly-in some day. Looks good BTW. Plane has been ready for inspection for some time while I fight with the government(s). Feds misspelled important information on registration and State already wants money for an airplane that is just parts still. Hope for inspection later this month. Hasn't been the best aviating WX as I'm sure you know! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389777#389777 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: prop carving
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 03, 2012
John wrote- "I'm looking for the best prop configuration for a Lycoming C1B 0235 powered Piet. I'm looking for dimensions and pitch numbers for best climb performance and any templates and gauges I might be able to borrow through this process. I have been considering a 72X44 but if there's a better one out there I would prefer to use that configuration" Here's some info from my prop guru: "The older 7ECA Citabrias used the C1 Series O-235. I would look at what they used for a prop, then probably go 2" flatter in pitch as the Piet is slightly slower and draggier than the Citabria (although the 7ECA is pretty much a dog)." -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389780#389780 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Got some Piet building done today!
From: "Kyle85" <boschkyle(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 03, 2012
Well, 2 years ago I figured I should be half done with my Piet by now...I wish that were the case. I suppose moving, having MORE kids and changing jobs have kept me distracted. Part of me wants to say the heck with it and sell the project.(not that it is much of a project lol) BUT since I was 14 working at an airport where experimental aviation was very much alive, I vowed that one day I will build and fly my own airplane. So today I snuck away for a few hours to continue my quest! Pictures to follow. -Kyle -------- Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete the flight. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389782#389782 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube
Piet...
Date: Dec 03, 2012
We used to call them trauma hawks when I was teaching. (Don't look back at the tail during a stall.) :0 My dergatory comment. =3B) Sorry=2C couldn't resesist. Please keep pics coming as I have decided on a steel fuse. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube Piet... > From: flight.jake(at)gmail.com > Date: Mon=2C 3 Dec 2012 08:33:45 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > m> > > Hello good Piet-ple=2C > > Just a quick update after a weekend of progress..... > > Mike from "Ready Weld" came by Friday and executed more of his magic. My process is to adapt the design (because so little detail for the steel-tube fuselage is on the plans) cut=2C fit=2C and prepare the parts. I then choo se to have a professional come for the welding. In this way I can enjoy the building=2C cutting=2C fitting aspects of the project and don't run the ri sk of screwing things up with my lack of welding skills - just a choice of how I am doing things. > > This bellcrank assembly will allow the elevator cables to run on the outs ide of the fuselage for more of an olde-timey look. > > I adapted a step from a Piper Tomahawk on the left side. I learned to fly on a Tomahawk (insert derogatory/inflammatory comment here - too bad I LIK ED flying that plane) so I wanted to include a piece of a Tomahawk somehow on my Piet. The step was the part I chose as I needed a step anyway and the part has seemed to adapt quite well (IMHO). > > The other area I had prepared was the aft fuselage and mounts for the hor izontal tail. Mike did an especially nice welding job in this area. > > Having fun in my indoors/heated garage in rainy Seattle......!! > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator=2C > Newport Way Air Museum (OK=2C it's just my home) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389753#389753 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_bellcrank_welded_373.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_bellcrank_welded_underside_685.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/3_horiz_tail_mounts_422.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_tomahawk_step_131.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_step_163.jpg > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube
Piet...
From: Aircamperace(at)yahoo.com
Date: Dec 03, 2012
Nice work Doug! I also enjoyed the Tomahawk, got my private in one out of El yria, it was a great little plane! Ryan Michals Sent from my iPhone On Dec 3, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Doug Dever wrote: > We used to call them trauma hawks when I was teaching. (Don't look back a t the tail during a stall.) :0 My dergatory comment. ;) > Sorry, couldn't resesist. Please keep pics coming as I have decided on a steel fuse. > > Doug Dever > In beautiful Stow Ohio > > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tub e Piet... > > From: flight.jake(at)gmail.com > > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 08:33:45 -0800 > > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > om> > > > > Hello good Piet-ple, > > > > Just a quick update after a weekend of progress..... > > > > Mike from "Ready Weld" came by Friday and executed more of his magic. My process is to adapt the design (because so little detail for the steel-tube fuselage is on the plans) cut, fit, and prepare the parts. I then choose to have a professional come for the welding. In this way I can enjoy the build ing, cutting, fitting aspects of the project and don't run the risk of screw ing things up with my lack of welding skills - just a choice of how I am doi ng things. > > > > This bellcrank assembly will allow the elevator cables to run on the out side of the fuselage for more of an olde-timey look. > > > > I adapted a step from a Piper Tomahawk on the left side. I learned to fl y on a Tomahawk (insert derogatory/inflammatory comment here - too bad I LIK ED flying that plane) so I wanted to include a piece of a Tomahawk somehow o n my Piet. The step was the part I chose as I needed a step anyway and the p art has seemed to adapt quite well (IMHO). > > > > The other area I had prepared was the aft fuselage and mounts for the ho rizontal tail. Mike did an especially nice welding job in this area. > > > > Having fun in my indoors/heated garage in rainy Seattle......!! > > > > -------- > > Jake Schultz - curator, > > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389753#389753 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_bellcrank_welded_373.jpg > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_bellcrank_welded_underside_685.jpg > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/3_horiz_tail_mounts_422.jpg > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_tomahawk_step_131.jpg > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_step_163.jpg > > > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube
Piet...
From: Aircamperace(at)yahoo.com
Date: Dec 03, 2012
I mean Jake! What technique did you use to cope that thin wall tube so nicel y? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:14 PM, Aircamperace(at)yahoo.com wrote: > Nice work Doug! I also enjoyed the Tomahawk, got my private in one out of E lyria, it was a great little plane! > > > Ryan Michals > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 3, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Doug Dever wrote : > >> We used to call them trauma hawks when I was teaching. (Don't look back a t the tail during a stall.) :0 My dergatory comment. ;) >> Sorry, couldn't resesist. Please keep pics coming as I have decided on a steel fuse. >> >> Doug Dever >> In beautiful Stow Ohio >> >> >> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tu be Piet... >> > From: flight.jake(at)gmail.com >> > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 08:33:45 -0800 >> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> > com> >> > >> > Hello good Piet-ple, >> > >> > Just a quick update after a weekend of progress..... >> > >> > Mike from "Ready Weld" came by Friday and executed more of his magic. M y process is to adapt the design (because so little detail for the steel-tub e fuselage is on the plans) cut, fit, and prepare the parts. I then choose t o have a professional come for the welding. In this way I can enjoy the buil ding, cutting, fitting aspects of the project and don't run the risk of scre wing things up with my lack of welding skills - just a choice of how I am do ing things. >> > >> > This bellcrank assembly will allow the elevator cables to run on the ou tside of the fuselage for more of an olde-timey look. >> > >> > I adapted a step from a Piper Tomahawk on the left side. I learned to f ly on a Tomahawk (insert derogatory/inflammatory comment here - too bad I LI KED flying that plane) so I wanted to include a piece of a Tomahawk somehow o n my Piet. The step was the part I chose as I needed a step anyway and the p art has seemed to adapt quite well (IMHO). >> > >> > The other area I had prepared was the aft fuselage and mounts for the h orizontal tail. Mike did an especially nice welding job in this area. >> > >> > Having fun in my indoors/heated garage in rainy Seattle......!! >> > >> > -------- >> > Jake Schultz - curator, >> > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389753#389753 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Attachments: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_bellcrank_welded_373.jpg >> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_bellcrank_welded_underside_685.jpg >> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/3_horiz_tail_mounts_422.jpg >> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_tomahawk_step_131.jpg >> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_step_163.jpg >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> ========================= ========= >> ctric.com >> >www.buildersbooks.com >> uilthelp.com >> matronics.com/contribution >> ========================= ========= >> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========================= ========= >> cs.com >> ========================= ========= >> > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube Piet...
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 03, 2012
Heaven forbid but I use a Harbor Freight tubing notcher and really good bi-metal hole saws. I've probably used up a dozen or more bits making all the fish-mouth cuts so far. Works real well with Tap-a-matic cutting fluid in a spray bottle..... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389799#389799 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube Piet...
From: "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 03, 2012
Jake your plane is looking great!!! I found a book that is great to use with the steel fuselage, it shows all the different mounts and pieces you need on a plane,from engine mounts to landing gear, you name it. It also has most of the charts you need like an hardware numbers and measurements. The book is Aircraft Detail Design Manual. It is published by Aviation Publications 217E Washington St. Appleton,Wisconsin 54912-0357. I think I got it at the EAA museum. I promise to get some pictures soon. -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389800#389800 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Got some Piet building done today!
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 03, 2012
I encourage you to keep up the passion.... It's been said to do something - no matter how small - every day and sooner or later it will be done.... It's the journey that is the best for me - the small gratifying steps along the way..... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389802#389802 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AN5820-1 turn & bank
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 03, 2012
Never mind... I sat down with the box full of parts and started figuring them out. Turns out that there's only one way the instrument can go back together ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389803#389803 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bkemike <bkemike(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube
Piet...
Date: Dec 03, 2012
The Cutting oil is a great tip, Jake. I also use the HF notcher; I had to do some shimming initially to get the cutter axis and tube axis to line up. Finding smaller cutters was a little difficult; I had to order 5/8 online. Home Depot didn't have anything smaller than 3/4. I use a cheap end mill for 1/2. Mike Hardaway Sent from an Apple iThingie. On Dec 3, 2012, at 6:17 PM, "aerocarjake" wrote: > > Heaven forbid but I use a Harbor Freight tubing notcher and really good bi-metal hole saws. I've probably used up a dozen or more bits making all the fish-mouth cuts so far. Works real well with Tap-a-matic cutting fluid in a spray bottle..... > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389799#389799 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: AN pipe and flair fittings
Date: Dec 04, 2012
Planning my fuels system (so many details-parts) is it best to use the AN aluminum or steel fittings? Thanks, Jack Jack Textor ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AN pipe and flair fittings
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Date: Dec 04, 2012
Brass. Sent from my iPad On Dec 4, 2012, at 7:33 AM, "Jack" wrote: > Planning my fuels system (so many details-parts) is it best to use the AN a luminum or steel fittings? > > Thanks, > > Jack > > Jack Textor > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: AN pipe and flair fittings
Date: Dec 04, 2012
The fittings should be matched to the fuel line materials. If you are using aluminum tubing, use aluminum fittings. Be sure if using flared fittings that your flaring tool makes a 37=B0 aircraft flare, rather than the 45=B0 flare used in automotive applications. Flared fittings should not need any sealant. Pipe thread fittings, on the other hand, will leak without some kind of treatment of the threads. DO NOT USE Teflon or pipe dope ' they can get loose and clog your fuel system. The best stuff I=92ve found is called Seal Lube. You can get it from ACS. A can is a lifetime supply. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/sealube.php Good luck! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 7:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: AN pipe and flair fittings Planning my fuels system (so many details-parts) is it best to use the AN aluminum or steel fittings? Thanks, Jack Jack Textor ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AN pipe and flair fittings
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 04, 2012
Jack, If you choose aluminum flared fittings, these seals work great. I replace t hese every time I disconnect/reconnect. No leaks! http://www.aircraftspruce.com/search/search.php?s=flare+seal&x=0&y=0 Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 6:52 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: AN pipe and flair fittings The fittings should be matched to the fuelline materials. If you are using aluminum tubing, use aluminum fittings. Besure if using flared fittings t hat your flaring tool makes a 37=C2=B0 aircraftflare, rather than the 45=C2 =B0 flare used in automotive applications. Flaredfittings should not need any sealant. Pipe thread fittings, on the other hand,will leak without som e kind of treatment of the threads. DO NOT USE Teflon orpipe dope =93 they can get loose and clog your fuel system. The best stuffI=99 ve found is called Seal Lube. You can get it from ACS. A can is alifetime supply. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/sealube.php Good luck! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 20127:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: AN pipeand flair fittings Planningmy fuels system (so many details-parts) is it best to use the AN al uminum orsteel fittings? Thanks, Jack Jack Textor www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AN pipe and flair fittings
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Dec 04, 2012
Thanks guys! Using 3/8 aluminum so will go with aluminum. Boy that sealant i s pricy but looks like a good option. The seals look good too. Planning a ve ry simple system, even so, lots of parts and details! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Dec 4, 2012, at 6:29 AM, "Jack" wrote: > Planning my fuels system (so many details-parts) is it best to use the AN a luminum or steel fittings? > > Thanks, > > Jack > > Jack Textor > > > > > > Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Dec 4, 2012, at 6:29 AM, "Jack" wrote: > Planning my fuels system (so many details-parts) is it best to use the AN a luminum or steel fittings? > > Thanks, > > Jack > > Jack Textor > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube Piet...
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 04, 2012
Thanks, I'll look up that book... I buy the hole saws at a place called Tacoma Screw. They specialize in fasteners (no aircraft) and contractor/industrial supplies.... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389823#389823 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 04, 2012
Subject: Airlion flies again
From: Gardiner Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com>
Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org<http://www.ufopilots.org>) for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday. -Gardiner Mason ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Airlion flies again
Date: Dec 04, 2012
Outstanding, Gardiner! Looks good as ever! Will you be bringing it to Brodhead this summer? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gardiner Mason Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 5:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org <http://www.ufopilots.org> ) for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday. -Gardiner Mason ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airlion flies again
From: Robert Bush <rbush96589(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 04, 2012
Congratulations Gardiner. Glad to see you back in the air. The plane looks g reat! Randy Bush NX294RB Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Gardiner Mason wrote: > Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies g reat and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a mem ber of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org) for old g eezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday. > > -Gardiner Mason > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airlion flies again
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Dec 04, 2012
Beautiful, Gardiner! Love the colors...and the louvers! Gary Boothe NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Gardiner Mason wrote: > Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies g reat and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a mem ber of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org) for old g eezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday. > > -Gardiner Mason > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Airlion flies again
Date: Dec 04, 2012
Congrats, Gardiner. I hope to be able to join the UFO this coming summer. I had a mild heart attack in 1990 and voluntarily "lost" my medical. So I have never been turned down for a medical. Haven't flown as PIC since. Piet NX10003 should be ready by summer time. I'll get a friend who owns a T-Craft and who holds his instructors rating give me a new BFR to catch me up and then I'll be ready to join the UFO. Don't have any idea how many flights and hours that will take. Just have to wait and see. Can't wait to put full power on the Corvair and go flying. Chills run up my spine just thinking of it. When people see my project they say, "Are you going to fly it?" And I reply, "Has a cat got a long tail?" I have just about everything except the covering supplies to finish up. Just a matter of time. Again, congratulations. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 5:53 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again Outstanding, Gardiner! Looks good as ever! Will you be bringing it to Brodhead this summer? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gardiner Mason Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 5:47 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org) for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday. -Gardiner Mason ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 05, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Airlion flies again
Hi Gardiner, Congratulations on having your Piet in the air again and also for joining the UFO's!!! Your Piet looks good; I don't see color real well but to me it looks blue with orange wings and hor.stabilizer, is that right? The way I'm going I will be a member of the UFO's before I get my PIet flying. Cheers, Jim B. ] ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: One piece wing and fuselage hauling.
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 04, 2012
Finally got our Piet back home. Pondered how to move the one piece wing endlessly until we found the perfect trailer sitting in the weeds at a friend's house. It's made from a 32' bumper towed camper. I've seen similar usable units for sale bunches of times over the years for under a grand. Pretty certain if you found a total junker you could get it for $500 or less. That's more than the average scrap value of one that sized, and probably far less than you could buy the axles ($200 ea new) hubs, tires, metal and decking. The basic trailer is exactly the chord of the wing (5') and about 32' after the tongue. I designed a specialized sawhorse and method of loading not requiring any lifting equipment to get the fuselage over the wing (as the wheel spacing won't straddle it) so that tongue weight can be optimized. Since we used a one ton dually, the 600lbs of tongue weight we had wasn't a problem, so I never got around to building the sawhorse. A similar but less heavy duty sawhorse would also secure the tail, although the method we wound up using worked really really well. The rig made the 400 mile trip with nothing moving, requiring rerigging or getting damaged at all. The wing is set on several large tarps for cushioning and the ratchet straps are run diagonally which spread out the downforce very effectively. Four guys got the wing off effortlessly and set it on the trailer. We then took the trailer off the truck and and rolled the fuse on from the front of the trailer using the 3' or so extra deck space. Without tail feathers or the wing, it's about perfectly neutral on the axle. We used scrap 2x6's to bock the wheels. It took 4 guys about an hour to load it all up, then Scott and I spent another three strapping it all down (figuring the plan as we went). I imagine we could do it now in about two hours total. No lifting equipment was required at all. At normal interstate speeds, nothing shook, rattled or rolled, it all worked out really well. We just borrowed the trailer, but think we're going to be able to buy it, if anyone needs to borrow it to retrieve a plane or move a one piece wing. If the fuse were centered on the trailer (over the wing) a ANY half ton truck could move the unit easily. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389856#389856 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 04, 2012
Subject: Re: Airlion flies again
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Congratulations Mr. Mason!! Airlion looks great. I've got her photo as my desktop. Greg Bacon NX114D (Mountain Piet) On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Gardiner Mason wrote: > Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies > great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a > member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org<http://www.ufopilots.org>) > for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday. > > -Gardiner Mason > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 04, 2012
Subject: Re: Airlion flies again
From: macz(at)peak.org
Gardiner-- It is great to see your plane back together again! Congratulations. --Mac in Oregon > Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies > great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a > member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians > (www.ufopilots.org<http://www.ufopilots.org>) > for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday. > > -Gardiner Mason > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Airlion flies again
Date: Dec 04, 2012
Way to go Gardiner! Hope to see you at Brodhead this summer! -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com > > > >> Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies >> great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a >> member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians >> (www.ufopilots.org<http://www.ufopilots.org>) >> for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday. >> >> -Gardiner Mason >> > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jeopardy
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 05, 2012
Please don't tell us that Julie has never seen "The Movie".... Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389870#389870 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airlion flies again
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 05, 2012
Way to go Gardiner! Love the way the sun shines through the orange wings. P erseverance pays off once again! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gardiner Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 4:49 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies gr eat and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a mem ber of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org) for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday. -Gardiner Mason ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Airlion flies again
Date: Dec 05, 2012
Gardiner what fantastic accomplishments! Congratulations! Jack Textor _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gardiner Mason Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 4:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org <http://www.ufopilots.org> ) for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday. -Gardiner Mason ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: One piece wing and fuselage hauling.
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 05, 2012
Tools, Thanks for that post with the info and pics. One of my recurring nightmares is "landing out" and trying to figure out how to move it all with the one- piece wing. I will be on the lookout for one of those trailers. I live in t he right place these days to look for that kind of stuff. A lot of good use ful "junk" around these parts. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airlion flies again
From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 05, 2012
Hello Gardiner; just sent you an email, but figured others would want to know the following also. is the gauge hanging from your center section a fuel gauge or compass? if a fuel gauge, would love to find out your setup. thanks; Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389879#389879 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Airlion flies again
From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Date: Dec 05, 2012
Congratulations Gardiner! She looks great! Earl -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389882#389882 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Gardiner
Date: Dec 05, 2012
My hat's off to you Gardiner! Takes backbone to rebuild one. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 05, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: AN pipe and flair fittings
Those seals...sometimes known as conical seas or voyshams, are great and work very well. Here at work, we are getting away from the AN flare type connection all together, but for the systems that still use these fittings, the copper AN flare seals are a life saver. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 05, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Airlion flies again
That is very cool. I like the UFO thingy...I hope to be a member someday! - Congratulations. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 05, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: AN pipe and flair fittings
...make that conical seals... Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 05, 2012
From: Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Airlion flies again
Congrats on the rebuild and the UFO part.=0AMany happy Landings (and parkin g)=0A-=0AHans=0A-=0ANX15KV- =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Gardiner Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.c om =0ASent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 4:46 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Ai rlion flies again=0A =0A=0AToday I flew the Airlion after a year and a hal f of rebuilding. It flies great and now I can paint a smiley face back on t he nose. Also I am now a member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org) for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80 th birthday. =0A=0A-Gardiner Mason ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 05, 2012
Subject: Re: Airlion flies again
From: Gardiner Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com>
It is a compass and my fuel gage is up there also. It is a capacitance gage that fits flush, and seen from my seat. Gardiner On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:24 AM, nightmare wrote: > pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> > > Hello Gardiner; just sent you an email, but figured others would want to > know the following also. is the gauge hanging from your center section a > fuel gauge or compass? if a fuel gauge, would love to find out your setup. > thanks; Paul > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389879#389879 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Airlion Flies Again
From: woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 05, 2012
That's great news, Gardiner! I have a hard time imagining how you and Douwe sucked it up to rebuild after having built the airplane once already. My e xperience at Oshkosh last year having only to rebuild the left elevator gav e me some insight, but that was colored by the urgency of getting it finish ed so I could fly home. Keeping that motivation - gotta be hard! Can't wait to see it in person. Matt Paxton NX629ML Fairfield, VA ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 05, 2012
Subject: Re: One piece wing and fuselage hauling.
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
Congrats on getting her back home. Hopefully you can get her back in the air in time for a sojourn to Brodhead next summer. Just curious, as it's hard to tell for sure from the angles of the shots....what's the status of the aft part of the fuselage? It appears that the last, say 12 inches, is "bent" downward; I know, wood would be broken, not bent....just as far as a description though. Hope the repairs go well, Ryan On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 7:23 PM, tools wrote: > > Finally got our Piet back home. Pondered how to move the one piece wing > endlessly until we found the perfect trailer sitting in the weeds at a > friend's house. > > It's made from a 32' bumper towed camper. I've seen similar usable units > for sale bunches of times over the years for under a grand. Pretty certain > if you found a total junker you could get it for $500 or less. That's more > than the average scrap value of one that sized, and probably far less than > you could buy the axles ($200 ea new) hubs, tires, metal and decking. > > The basic trailer is exactly the chord of the wing (5') and about 32' > after the tongue. I designed a specialized sawhorse and method of loading > not requiring any lifting equipment to get the fuselage over the wing (as > the wheel spacing won't straddle it) so that tongue weight can be optimized. > > Since we used a one ton dually, the 600lbs of tongue weight we had wasn't > a problem, so I never got around to building the sawhorse. > > A similar but less heavy duty sawhorse would also secure the tail, > although the method we wound up using worked really really well. > > The rig made the 400 mile trip with nothing moving, requiring rerigging or > getting damaged at all. > > The wing is set on several large tarps for cushioning and the ratchet > straps are run diagonally which spread out the downforce very effectively. > > > Four guys got the wing off effortlessly and set it on the trailer. We > then took the trailer off the truck and and rolled the fuse on from the > front of the trailer using the 3' or so extra deck space. Without tail > feathers or the wing, it's about perfectly neutral on the axle. We used > scrap 2x6's to bock the wheels. It took 4 guys about an hour to load it > all up, then Scott and I spent another three strapping it all down > (figuring the plan as we went). I imagine we could do it now in about two > hours total. No lifting equipment was required at all. > > At normal interstate speeds, nothing shook, rattled or rolled, it all > worked out really well. > > We just borrowed the trailer, but think we're going to be able to buy it, > if anyone needs to borrow it to retrieve a plane or move a one piece wing. > If the fuse were centered on the trailer (over the wing) a ANY half ton > truck could move the unit easily. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389856#389856 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 05, 2012
Subject: Re: Airlion flies again
Beautiful Job,Gardner John ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jeopardy
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 05, 2012
The tragedy of "everyone dying" is a little hard to ignore. Because of that I don't think my wife will ever watch it again. And it is a little hard to explain to the kids the "someone get me a 2 by 4 scene" and then expect them to go hop in the Piet and go for a ride. Come to think of it, it is kind of a 'dark' movie and not very good. But for some reason because of all you Piet guys I want to watch it over and over! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389921#389921 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Allan Macklem" <awmacklem(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Airlion flies again
Date: Dec 05, 2012
Gardner, really nice job. I'm curious about the fuel gauge. I assume a capacitance gauge measures capacity of the tank (however that is done). I assume that with two gauges one could measure two tanks. I like the idea of fuel gauges fitting flush on the wing center, yet visible from the cockpit. Can you please let me know the brand and source for these gauges? Allan Macklem From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gardiner Mason Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 8:56 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airlion flies again It is a compass and my fuel gage is up there also. It is a capacitance gage that fits flush, and seen from my seat. Gardiner On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:24 AM, nightmare wrote: Hello Gardiner; just sent you an email, but figured others would want to know the following also. is the gauge hanging from your center section a fuel gauge or compass? if a fuel gauge, would love to find out your setup. thanks; Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389879#389879 ========== ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution le, List Admin. ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Think Ahead Builders
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Dec 05, 2012
Just a reminder, don't rush, measure, think ahead, plan. Just redid my fuel selector. Was proud of the install until I realized after drawing out my fuel system it was on the wrong side. Moved to the port side and all is good. So many interesting details at this stage of the build. Sent from my iPad Jack Textor ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Think Ahead Builders
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 06, 2012
That's why I have two water temp. gauges. The first one I installed on the "cold" side of the radiator. Duh. I left it there cause it was cool looking . Now I tell everybody I have two so's I can see the beta of the water temp . :O) Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:35 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Think Ahead Builders Just a reminder, don't rush, measure, think ahead, plan. Just redid my fuel selector. Was proud of the install until I realized after drawing out my fu el system it was on the wrong side. Moved to the port side and all is good. So many interesting details at this stage of the build. Sent from my iPad Jack Textor ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Think Ahead Builders
Date: Dec 06, 2012
Well here I go again... Jerry Grogan let me use his big oven to powder coat my gear legs, thanks Jerry! Just realized I still need to weld the mounts for brakes! Jack Textor -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 7:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Think Ahead Builders Just a reminder, don't rush, measure, think ahead, plan. Just redid my fuel selector. Was proud of the install until I realized after drawing out my fuel system it was on the wrong side. Moved to the port side and all is good. So many interesting details at this stage of the build. Sent from my iPad Jack Textor ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Think Ahead Builders
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Dec 06, 2012
You're the only one who's made that mistake, Jack... -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389952#389952 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Dec 06, 2012
Subject: buying a hangar
Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of hangars that will be constructed this spring. It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, etc? Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: buying a hangar
Date: Dec 06, 2012
Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice... Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that, somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar --> Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of hangars that will be constructed this spring. It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, etc? Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 06, 2012
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built. Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too many outlets. Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the removal of the snow berm as it begins to form. Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet. In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd like. Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice... > > Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water > from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and > making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile > the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find > a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that, > somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, > Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > > --> > > > Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of > hangars that will be constructed this spring. > It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It > will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. > We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. > > I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. > > Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, > etc? > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 06, 2012
From: Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
Having a hangar in Texas the best feature is proper insultation to keep the summer heat out.=0ASecondly door or windows oposing the main hangar door t o get cross flow cooling by opening them up.=0AFans as back up, I use small portable fans, but planning to build a large ceiling fan.=0A-=0ASeal the doors-to keep critters and snakes out.=0A-=0AThe rest depends on-wha t you use your hangar for, storing aircraft or building one.=0A-=0AIf you build one, -you never have enough power outlets, have 4 on each wall and still not enough.=0ACompressed air system with proper 220V Compressor=0AMo re Lights, specially above work space.=0A-=0AOther must haves:=0AChairs t o sit on=0AFridge to keep the Beer cool=0ABBQ to burn some meat=0A-=0AHav e fun=0A-=0AHans=0ANX15KV- =0A=0A________________________________=0A Fr om: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 9:57 AM=0A Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar=0A =0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" =0A=0A=0ACould I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new se t of hangars that will be constructed this spring. =0AIt will be 40 x 32 wi th side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. =0A=0AI will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. =0A=0AAny advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, etc? =0A=0ABlue Skies,=0A ============= ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
From: "Pilot78" <wings.wheels29(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 06, 2012
Steve, You will definitely want more outlets, you can never have enough. Also good lighting and some sort of heat for the winters, and fans for the summer. When I purchase my hangar it was insulated, had good HO lighting, natural gas heat, and a bathroom. I added many more outlets, along with pull-downs from the ceiling. I also did epoxy floor coating and added a Town-home style apartment on the back side of the hangar. I love living at the airport and the wife does too. My next hangar improvement will be air-conditioning for the work area of the shop.. Today its cold and rainy with snow on the way, I can kick on the heat, turn on the big lights and work till midnight in a t-shirt, then go in take a shower, go up stairs turn on the TV, kiss the wife and then go to bed. Life is good. Brian SLC-UT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389965#389965 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9250464_196.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p92504661_201.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9250465_196.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 06, 2012
I want to know how do you finish the wing border (3 piece wing) aside the center section. If you have any photos .. best. I think close it with plywood, but it is necesary?.. I am thinking in how to cover or not this side. thank you -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389967#389967 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: Dec 06, 2012
Second the motion about the lights and outlets. Never have too many. I put a double box (2 normal house type outlets, 4 plugs total) about every 6 feet and that is almost not enough in some places. Don't forget the 220 outlets for things like welders, compressors, etc and the fact that the heater, if you have one, will need its own dedicated circuit. My hangar in Maine has the tubing in the concrete floor for radiant heat. Haven't hooked it up yet but the guys that did the same, LOVE it. The incremental cost of the tubing was very small in comparison to the ease of operation and efficiency. I think current electrical code requires vapor-tight lights and they ain't cheap. Check with your local electrician. I put 12 of the 2 tube 4 foot fixtures in my hangar (same size as yours) and it's about right. Also have a couple cheapos on plug in cords over the work bench. That IS enough. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389968#389968 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 06, 2012
You guys are making me jealous. A friend of mine asked me to do some checking to find out what it would take to put a grass strip and hangar on land in my county. County ordinance requires- -50 acre minimum -no more than one hangar and 3 airplanes - ever -a grass strip including lateral clear space 200 feet on each side of centerline (400 feet wide) by 2500 feet long with 400 feet of over run and underrun (at each end) totalling 3300 linear feet. I will do the math for you- that is 30 ACRES OF RUNWAY AREA! Unbelievable for a guy wanting to put a Piet in his backyard! And that doesn't count the restrictions from other homes. Again - unbelievable! You guys are lucky indeed to have a hangar. I know it may not be where you live (except Brian), but you are lucky (blessed) nonetheless to have your own hangar. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389969#389969 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: buying a hangar
Date: Dec 06, 2012
There's no such thing as too much light or too many electrical outlets. As long as you have water and septic, might as well put in a toilet, and maybe even a shower. You never know when the wife might turn "Loreena Bobbitt" on you and you'll need a place to stay Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia Where for the next several months we are actually living in our hangar -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of hangars that will be constructed this spring. It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, etc? Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: Dec 06, 2012
One more thing.... Before you move all your crap in, paint the floor with the good 2 part stuff. I've used Sherwin Williams on a garage and the hangar and the only way to get it off is with a chisel. I've spilled every liquid you can buy at Home Depot or AutoZone (MEK, dot 3 brake fluid, oil, gasoline, acetone, toluene, etc) and nothing touches it. The trick is to get the good stuff and it isn't cheap. I think the new name for it is Armor Seal Floorthane T-1000 or something similar. It's in the industrial catalog so you'll need to corral the one guy who knows where to find it. Runs $100+ a gallon but you only do it once. Prep according to the instructions or you WILL do it twice. Been on the floor of my garage for 10 years looks as good as when I put it down. I hope you enjoy all of us kibitzers. We do mean well.... Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389971#389971 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Dec 06, 2012
most guys will install metal farings that can be removed for inspection purposes or wing removal. I chose to just cover mine with fabric and call it a day. I figure that if I ever need to remove the wings, I will just cut the fabric and replace it later. Perhaps there are pics on the west coast Piet site. There is a lot to see there. Good luck, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389975#389975 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 06, 2012
Boys, There are huge advantages to living in the "backwoods" of N.W. Tennessee. W e do what we want with our own property. No restrictions whatsoever on putt ing a grass strip on your own property. NO building permits required for an ything under 5000 sq. ft. A funny story was related to me by a member of o ur local EAA chapter. He was living in CA and wanted to move here. He calle d the State of TN Department of Aviation with a question. "What does one ha ve to do to put in a grass strip on his own property"?. The boy on the othe r end said "Well,....usually they start off with a bulldozer....." Love it here! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 12:50 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar ail.com> You guys are making me jealous. A friend of mine asked me to do some checki ng to find out what it would take to put a grass strip and hangar on land in my county. County ordinance requires- -50 acre minimum -no more than one hangar and 3 airplanes - ever -a grass strip including lateral clear space 200 feet on each side of cente rline (400 feet wide) by 2500 feet long with 400 feet of over run and underrun (a t each end) totalling 3300 linear feet. I will do the math for you- that is 3 0 ACRES OF RUNWAY AREA! Unbelievable for a guy wanting to put a Piet in his backyard! And that doesn't count the restrictions from other homes. Again - unbelieva ble! You guys are lucky indeed to have a hangar. I know it may not be where you live (except Brian), but you are lucky (blessed) nonetheless to have your own ha ngar. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389969#389969 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Dec 06, 2012
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
In nonurban Texas. 10 acres is required for a runway for my vtail. 100 ft wide by a half mile long. ok if it is in west Texas you can cut the width inhalf so 5 acres. but no one wants to sell me a 50 ft wide strip of land. ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew(at)aol.com Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 17:24 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar > > Boys, > > There are huge advantages to living in the "backwoods" of N.W. > Tennessee. We do what we want with our own property. No > restrictions whatsoever on putting a grass strip on your own > property. NO building permits required for anything under 5000 sq. > ft. A funny story was related to me by a member of our local EAA > chapter. He was living in CA and wanted to move here. He called the > State of TN Department of Aviation with a question. "What does one > have to do to put in a grass strip on his own property"?. The boy > on the other end said "Well,....usually they start off with a > bulldozer....." > Love it here! > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jarheadpilot82 < > To: pietenpol-list < > Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 12:50 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar > > > > You guys are making me jealous. A friend of mine asked me to do some checking to > find out what it would take to put a grass strip and hangar on land in my > county. County ordinance requires- > > -50 acre minimum > -no more than one hangar and 3 airplanes - ever > -a grass strip including lateral clear space 200 feet on each side of centerline > (400 feet wide) by 2500 feet long with 400 feet of over run and underrun (at > each end) totalling 3300 linear feet. I will do the math for you- that is 30 > ACRES OF RUNWAY AREA! Unbelievable for a guy wanting to put a Piet in his > backyard! > > And that doesn't count the restrictions from other homes. Again - unbelievable! > > You guys are lucky indeed to have a hangar. I know it may not be where you live > (except Brian), but you are lucky (blessed) nonetheless to have your own hangar. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389969#389969 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
Date: Dec 06, 2012
That is classic!! That is what I grew up with in Georgia. In Virginia, t he way you start is "NO"... Gene On Dec 6, 2012, at 6:18 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > Boys, > > There are huge advantages to living in the "backwoods" of N.W. Tennessee. W e do what we want with our own property. No restrictions whatsoever on putti ng a grass strip on your own property. NO building permits required for anyt hing under 5000 sq. ft. A funny story was related to me by a member of our l ocal EAA chapter. He was living in CA and wanted to move here. He called the State of TN Department of Aviation with a question. "What does one have to d o to put in a grass strip on his own property"?. The boy on the other end sa id "Well,....usually they start off with a bulldozer....." > > Love it here! > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > -----Original Message----- > From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 12:50 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar > mail.com> > > You guys are making me jealous. A friend of mine asked me to do some check ing to > find out what it would take to put a grass strip and hangar on land in my > county. County ordinance requires- > > -50 acre minimum > -no more than one hangar and 3 airplanes - ever > -a grass strip including lateral clear space 200 feet on each side of cent erline > (400 feet wide) by 2500 feet long with 400 feet of over run and underrun ( at > each end) totalling 3300 linear feet. I will do the math for you- that is 3 0 > ACRES OF RUNWAY AREA! Unbelievable for a guy wanting to put a Piet in his > backyard! > > And that doesn't count the restrictions from other homes. Again - unbeliev able! > > You guys are lucky indeed to have a hangar. I know it may not be where you live > (except Brian), but you are lucky (blessed) nonetheless to have your own h angar. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389969#389969 > > > > > > > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com > " target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 06, 2012
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
From: Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com>
I am nearly overcome with a sudden urge to move to Tennessee. Andrew Eldredge Provo, UT On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > g in the "backwoods" of N.W. Tennessee. We do what we want with our own > property. No restrictions whatsoever on putting a grass strip on your own > property. NO building permits required for anything under 5000 sq. ft. A > funny story was related to me by a member of our local EAA chapter. He was > living in CA and wanted to move here. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 06, 2012
Steve; You saw what Randy, Craig, and I had at 8T8. I echo most of the sentiments from the others, and emphasize the following, if you'll only be there during fun times and not spending whole days at a time: -we always got grass clippings, dust, and driving rain in under the hangar doors until we installed some hanging-down carpet strips on the bottom of the doors. We kept some long boards handy, "weather boards", to anchor the strips to the floor when driving storms were expected from the direction of the hangar doors. You don't want water in your hangar. -the hangars that adjoined ours didn't have any protection from driving rain in under the doors of their hangars, so if it got into their hangars, it got into ours. Good insurance to find discarded pallets to stack stuff on in case water gets in. Water is not good for most things that we keep in hangars. -you will never have enough plugs. I had a 25 ft. cord reel that I never installed but it would have been very, very handy. You always need power around the hangar. -go vertical with stuff. Most hangars have high walls and ceilings, so go vertical or you'll waste all the volume in the upper reaches of your hangar. -Randy applied a nice garage floor coating on the hangar floor when he got it, and it is great to always have a durable, clean, attractive floor. The Lowe's type stuff goes on pretty easy. If the floor is handsome, you'll tend to keep the place cleaner. -you can never have too much light in a hangar, but it will never be in the right place ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389987#389987 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com>
Subject: forming u shaped brackets
Date: Dec 06, 2012
I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets which hold the center section. I cannot get enough bend in the second bend to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend a fter the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense). I tried plac ing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but as close as I get=2C I'm not happy with the result. The bend is just too loos e. Any suggestions? Tom B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Brett Phillips" <bphillip(at)shentel.net>
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
Date: Dec 06, 2012
To the original poster: Whatever you do, don=99t buy the whole field. Just buy the hangar if you want to have time to build and fly. If you end up with the whole field, you may find that you become less an aviator, and more an agriculturalist. Be careful, I speak from experience. Gene: That=99s because you live on the wrong side of the mountain! Out here in the Shenandoah Valley, we still have a few freedoms (at least until the city folks find out). Brett Phillips Working on a model A in Strasburg, VA, about 15 miles east of West By God Virginia. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:13 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar That is classic!! That is what I grew up with in Georgia. In Virginia, the way you start is "NO"... Gene ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: forming u shaped brackets
Date: Dec 06, 2012
Steel bar stock is your friend. Bar stock, a little clamping creativity and a soft-faced, dead blow hammer is a low cost way bend metal. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 8:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets which hold the center section. I cannot get enough bend in the second bend to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend after the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense). I tried placing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but as close as I get, I'm not happy with the result. The bend is just too loose. Any suggestions? Tom B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: forming u shaped brackets
Date: Dec 06, 2012
Tom Like Greg said, find two pieces of bar stock . I used some 1/4 inch x 1.5 inch x 6 inch bar scrap I found at a local metal dealer (much cheaper than Home Depot Aircraft Supply). Clamp one end in the vice and use big C clamp on the other end to clamp the piece between them. Then bend the steel fitting. It might twist while beating so just reset it in the vice. I didn't have a soft hammer so I used a block of hardwood between the hammer and the steel. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM MICHELLE BRANT Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 6:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets which hold the center section. I cannot get enough bend in the second bend to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend after the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense). I tried placing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but as close as I get, I'm not happy with the result. The bend is just too loose. Any suggestions? Tom B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 06, 2012
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: forming u shaped brackets
I had to make some "U" bends in .090 4130 for some aileron hinges on the Ju ngster 1 I am building, and they were a pain in the butt.- They were made out of 2 in strips, and the short leg was only 1 inch, and long leg about 2.5 in deep.- I went to the hardware store and bought 1 inch keystock, I radiused the corners and used the key stock as a male die.- I cut the bla nks a little long, and pressed with my bottle jack press, the key stock bet ween a female die made of oak boards.- This was a pretty good way of bend ing the steel, it was bent cold.- I still had to do a little bit of finis hing with a hammer and vise to get the bottom of the "U" flat.- I did hav e 2 or 3 oh $h1T moments when the key stock flew across the shop at mach 2 when it slipped out of the press under 20 tons of force, but luckily it did not hit me or the airplane.- It might be easier just to heat the steel a nd bend it, but I think I read some where that bending while red hot can fracture the grain of the metal.- Hope this helps, even if only an exsam ple of what can happen. - Shad --- On Fri, 12/7/12, Chris wrote: From: Chris <catdesigns(at)att.net> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets Date: Friday, December 7, 2012, 1:03 AM #yiv863117417 .yiv863117417hmmessage P { PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-TO P:0px;} #yiv863117417 BODY.yiv863117417hmmessage { FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;FONT-SIZE:10pt;} Tom - Like Greg said, find two pieces of bar stock .--- I used some 1/4 inc h x-1.5 inch x 6 inch bar scrap I found at a local metal dealer (much che aper than Home Depot Aircraft Supply).- Clamp one end in the vice and use big C clamp on the other end-to clamp the piece between them. Then bend the steel fitting. It might twist while beating so just reset it in the vic e.- I didn't have a soft hammer so I used-a block of hardwood between t he hammer and the steel. - Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM MICHELLE BRANT Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 6:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets which hold the center section.- I cannot get enough bend in the second be nd to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend after the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense).- I tried placing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but as close as I get, I'm not happy with the result.- The bend is just too loose.- Any suggestions? Tom B. href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chr ef="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Jeopardy
Date: Dec 06, 2012
Damp n' plaster! Cheese and crackers got all muddy! Try that really fast and watch for reactions. :-) My Mom's favourite. Now it falls to me to carry on the Family Tradition. :-) My daughters grew up with more than enough sailor style invective to fill a dictionary. They're 36 and 27 now and have never repeated a single word of any of it. It's all just words to them. Words have only the power you invest in them or convince others they have. Clif Against the assaultof laughter nothing can stand. Mark Twain > I do not curse in the house, Never have. I try to save cursing for a time > when it is appropriate, IE when I slam my finger in a door. Or when I am > commenting on another drivers parentage. > She said "ignore it and maybe he will forget it." Sure enough he is now 12 and we have not heard it since. At least he does not say it around us. Blue Skies, > Steve D >> The proper application of language by children is an important milestone >> in the developmental skills of social development. >> Well done >> John ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
Date: Dec 07, 2012
Here in the Great White North all land, sea and ice is federaly mandated as airfield ready. There have been a number of legal battles over that from provincial and municipal governments but they have lost every time. The only place not allowed is in a "built up area". That's reasonable. Also, being a federal responsibility, there's no compliance with local building codes required either. Of course a little common sense does make life somewhat easier for all concerned. Clif A Canadian is someone who knows how to make love in a canoe. Pierre Burton I am nearly overcome with a sudden urge to move to Tennessee. Andrew Eldredge Provo, UT ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: forming u shaped brackets
Date: Dec 07, 2012
Tom I'm not sure what part you are talking about but for good 90 degree bends like this http://textors.com/cabane_fittings_015.jpg I use a brake to get the bend started and then finish forming over a piece of steel bar like this http://textors.com/IMG_7502_1600x1067.jpg. Using 2 bars with relief for a good radius helps like this http://textors.com/cabane_fittings_010.jpg Forr higher radius bends I clamped with a clamp over a round like this http://textors.com/IMG_7535_1600x1067.jpg Jack Textor _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM MICHELLE BRANT Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 8:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets which hold the center section. I cannot get enough bend in the second bend to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend after the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense). I tried placing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but as close as I get, I'm not happy with the result. The bend is just too loose. Any suggestions? Tom B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 07, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
Scott, I've never considered just "covering the gap" with fabric...I like i t!- I assume you have had no issues with it that way. (I don't know why y ou would.)- I believe I will try the same idea, thanks for the tip! Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 07, 2012
May be I make the wrong question. I want to figure how do you cover the wing in this side. Where do I attach the fabric?.. I have to wrap de rib? (in this case the side keep open) How do you do it? -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390003#390003 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 07, 2012
From: santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: forming u shaped brackets
Or...... -http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1858922506=0A=0ASantiago - ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Dec 07, 2012
Michael, No, I have never had an issue with it being covered. I only have the two wing attach bolts in there and have never needed to get to them until I rebuilt the plane. It was covered for 29 years like that and now has been covered another 12 years, 41 years total like that. All the hardware was tight when removed. If someone still wanted to have access to those attach point they could put small inspection plates at those joints. I have no need for them. It also helps with the one piece wig look while enjoying the benefits of the three piece wing. Ahh, the choices we have to make while we build, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390005#390005 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 07, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
Well, all that sounds good to me! I will try it as well.- Thanks. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 07, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
Mario, I skinned the sides of the center section and attaching wing root si des with plywood.- Without it, you will need to cut, fit and wrap the fab ric around the cap strip. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 07, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
Scott, another question: Prior to applying the fabric "trim", did you fly t he plane first to be sure no wing adjustments were needed?- I would assum e even if an adjustment was needed, the movement at the joint would be mini mal...causing some slight wrinkles mostly... Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Dec 07, 2012
Actually I did fly it first. I'm not sure that it would really make a difference. When you make trim adjustments, only the wing tips move. The wing roots are bolted solid and should never move. I left the end 4 inches of the fabric finished through the Poly-Brush stage. This gave me an area to attach the fabric to. then finish through paint. It worked out well for me. The hardest part is covering the whole plane for the painting. I used that thin painters plastic from the local hardware store. Took about three hours to cover it well. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390009#390009 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
Date: Dec 07, 2012
Michael, I have never seen plywood covering called for on the 4 ribs at the ends of the center section and the wing panels on any of the plans. If it's good enough for Mr. Pietenpol, it's good enough for me. I figure the vertical pieces in the 4 butt ribs are to take care of the stress of stretching the fabric accross those ribs. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 7:13 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) Scott, I've never considered just "covering the gap" with fabric...I like it! I assume you have had no issues with it that way. (I don't know why you would.) I believe I will try the same idea, thanks for the tip! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 07, 2012
Too much answers out of topic... how do you cover this side?... the yellow marked; do you take the fabric from top of the wing to bootom around the rib, or you put a playwood piece like the photo Michael post (but in the wing, not the center section..) I am thinking in the stretching process, the fabric stretch a lot in 4 m, around half a meter, and the forces over the last rib will be very strong; this ribb have reinforces for this, so it's necesary a plywodd section like the center section there? -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390011#390011 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 07, 2012
the picture.... -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390012#390012 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/costado_103.png ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol quotes in The Great Waldo Pepper...
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 07, 2012
It's amazing how many direct quotes about building a Pietenpol Air Camper are in the Great Waldo Pepper (the patron saint movie of Pietenpol builders...) For example: "I thought I was done..." "That was a mistake..." "The people are kinda nutty but you get used to it..." "but how can a guy like you be in debt for $40,000...?" ...and my favorite - the one I plan to paint on the turtle-deck behind my pilot's seat: "Perhaps we'll have a chance to fly together..." -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390016#390016 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 07, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
Understood. I'm painting by brush, so adding the fabric trim and paint out at the hangar as opposed to my home shop-will be somewhat easy. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 07, 2012
Thank you Curt, I saw this picture uncounted times, and I never understood what this butt rib was.. until now. Best regards. -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390018#390018 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 07, 2012
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
From: John Fay <jfay1950(at)gmail.com>
Jerry, Could you tell us what size your runway is (length and width)? John Fay in Peoria Starting to glue my fuselage together this afternoon. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Dec 07, 2012
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?) I really don't remember since moving to San Antonio. Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold down here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy when it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm. I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable. I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but a Bob wire fence and half of that is down. Blue Skies, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > > Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It > was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long > time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built. > Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too > many outlets. > > Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your > decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of > snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more > quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is > the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off > the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the > west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any > snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the > hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a > gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the > removal of the snow berm as it begins to form. > > Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet. > In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the > hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn > heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the > outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my > work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more > effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd > like. > > Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken > > On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Gary Boothe < wrote: > > > > Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice... > > > > Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water > > from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and > > making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile > > the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find > > a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that, > > somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice. > > > > Gary Boothe > > NX308MB > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, > > Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM > > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > > > > --> < > > > > > > Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of > > hangars that will be constructed this spring. > > It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It > > will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. > > We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. > > > > I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. > > > > Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, > > etc? > > > > Blue Skies, > > Steve D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 07, 2012
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Steve, I know that country well. I was raised outside of Austin. My wife is from Lubbock. My dad grew up in Slaton. I've even had the experience of being snowed in while at a horse show in San Antonio, during the great blizzard of '72 or maybe '73. I believe that was the last time San Antonio saw snow that measured two inches in depth. Your hangar issues will probably have to do more with heat, humidity, and drainage. The heat and humidity are best dealt with by installing a fridge to keep beer cooled sufficiently to keep your body temperature at a level where consciousness is possible. As for drainage, when those hurricanes and tropical storms stall out over south Texas, they seem to dump unbelievable volumes of water that has to go somewhere. You may need to build your hangar on stilts. That will help keep the snakes out, too. Cheers, Ken On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB wrote: > > Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?) I really don't remember since moving to San Antonio. > > Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold down here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy when it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm. > > I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable. > > I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but a Bob wire fence and half of that is down. > > Blue Skies, > Steve > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> > Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07 > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > >> >> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It >> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long >> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built. >> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too >> many outlets. >> >> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your >> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of >> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more >> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is >> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off >> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the >> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any >> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the >> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a >> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the >> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form. >> >> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet. >> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the >> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn >> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the >> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my >> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more >> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd >> like. >> >> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken >> >> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Gary Boothe < wrote: >> > >> > Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice... >> > >> > Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water >> > from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and >> > making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile >> > the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find >> > a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that, >> > somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice. >> > >> > Gary Boothe >> > NX308MB >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, >> > Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB >> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM >> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar >> > >> > --> < >> > >> > >> > Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of >> > hangars that will be constructed this spring. >> > It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It >> > will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. >> > We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. >> > >> > I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. >> > >> > Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, >> > etc? >> > >> > Blue Skies, >> > Steve D >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Dec 07, 2012
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
At the initial hangar planning meeting everyone voiced a concern about keeping water out. I was in a rented hangar here before. Good hangar, except when a driving rainstorm came from the north. It blew water under the door. so you had a 1/16th inch puddle in the hangar. Then with the high humidity it took forever to dry out. An old architect told me to design your building so that there was no way water could get in. Then make it 6 inches higher! The floors will slope toward the door and ramp will slope toward the taxiway. We are on the "high" end of this field. drainage is a big deal. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> Date: Friday, December 7, 2012 14:36 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > > Steve, > > I know that country well. I was raised outside of Austin. My wife is > from Lubbock. My dad grew up in Slaton. I've even had the experience > of being snowed in while at a horse show in San Antonio, during the > great blizzard of '72 or maybe '73. I believe that was the last time > San Antonio saw snow that measured two inches in depth. > > Your hangar issues will probably have to do more with heat, humidity, > and drainage. The heat and humidity are best dealt with by installing > a fridge to keep beer cooled sufficiently to keep your body > temperature at a level where consciousness is possible. As for > drainage, when those hurricanes and tropical storms stall out over > south Texas, they seem to dump unbelievable volumes of water that has > to go somewhere. You may need to build your hangar on stilts. That > will help keep the snakes out, too. > > Cheers, Ken > > > On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB > < wrote: > > > > Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?) I really don't remember since moving to San Antonio. > > > > Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold down here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy when it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm. > > > > I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable. > > > > I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but a Bob wire fence and half of that is down. > > > > Blue Skies, > > Steve > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ken Bickers < > > Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07 > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > > > >> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It > >> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long > >> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built. > >> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too > >> many outlets. > >> > >> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your > >> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of > >> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more > >> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is > >> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off > >> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the > >> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any > >> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the > >> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a > >> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the > >> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form. > >> > >> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet. > >> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the > >> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn > >> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the > >> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my > >> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more > >> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd > >> like. > >> > >> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken > >> > >> > Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice... > >> > > >> > Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water > >> > from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and > >> > making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile > >> > the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find > >> > a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that, > >> > somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice. > >> > > >> > Gary Boothe > >> > NX308MB > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > >> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, > >> > Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB > >> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM > >> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > >> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > >> > > >> > --> <>> > > >> > > >> > Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of > >> > hangars that will be constructed this spring. > >> > It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It > >> > will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. > >> > We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. > >> > > >> > I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. > >> > > >> > Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, > >> > etc? > >> > > >> > Blue Skies, > >> > Steve D > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Dec 07, 2012
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
Oh I forgot to tell you. The Texas Panhandle was talking about seceeding from Texas. But they said Lubbock had to go with the Panhandle and so the whole deal was off. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> Date: Friday, December 7, 2012 14:36 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > > Steve, > > I know that country well. I was raised outside of Austin. My wife is > from Lubbock. My dad grew up in Slaton. I've even had the experience > of being snowed in while at a horse show in San Antonio, during the > great blizzard of '72 or maybe '73. I believe that was the last time > San Antonio saw snow that measured two inches in depth. > > Your hangar issues will probably have to do more with heat, humidity, > and drainage. The heat and humidity are best dealt with by installing > a fridge to keep beer cooled sufficiently to keep your body > temperature at a level where consciousness is possible. As for > drainage, when those hurricanes and tropical storms stall out over > south Texas, they seem to dump unbelievable volumes of water that has > to go somewhere. You may need to build your hangar on stilts. That > will help keep the snakes out, too. > > Cheers, Ken > > > On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB > < wrote: > > > > Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?) I really don't remember since moving to San Antonio. > > > > Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold down here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy when it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm. > > > > I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable. > > > > I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but a Bob wire fence and half of that is down. > > > > Blue Skies, > > Steve > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ken Bickers < > > Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07 > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > > > >> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It > >> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long > >> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built. > >> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too > >> many outlets. > >> > >> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your > >> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of > >> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more > >> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is > >> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off > >> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the > >> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any > >> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the > >> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a > >> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the > >> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form. > >> > >> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet. > >> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the > >> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn > >> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the > >> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my > >> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more > >> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd > >> like. > >> > >> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken > >> > >> > Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice... > >> > > >> > Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water > >> > from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and > >> > making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile > >> > the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find > >> > a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that, > >> > somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice. > >> > > >> > Gary Boothe > >> > NX308MB > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > >> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, > >> > Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB > >> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM > >> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > >> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > >> > > >> > --> <>> > > >> > > >> > Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of > >> > hangars that will be constructed this spring. > >> > It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It > >> > will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. > >> > We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. > >> > > >> > I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. > >> > > >> > Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, > >> > etc? > >> > > >> > Blue Skies, > >> > Steve D > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Date: Dec 07, 2012
Nobody but a city slicker from the "panhandle" would call barbed wire "bob wire"! Gene On Dec 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" wrote: > > Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?) I really don't remember since moving to San Antonio. > > Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold down here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy when it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm. > > I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable. > > I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but a Bob wire fence and half of that is down. > > Blue Skies, > Steve > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> > Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07 > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > >> >> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It >> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long >> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built. >> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too >> many outlets. >> >> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your >> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of >> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more >> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is >> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off >> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the >> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any >> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the >> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a >> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the >> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form. >> >> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet. >> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the >> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn >> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the >> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my >> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more >> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd >> like. >> >> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken >> >> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Gary Boothe < wrote: >>> >>> Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice... >>> >>> Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water >>> from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and >>> making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile >>> the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find >>> a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that, >>> somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice. >>> >>> Gary Boothe >>> NX308MB >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, >>> Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB >>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM >>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar >>> >>> --> < >>> >>> >>> Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of >>> hangars that will be constructed this spring. >>> It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It >>> will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. >>> We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. >>> >>> I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. >>> >>> Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, >>> etc? >>> >>> Blue Skies, >>> Steve D >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Dec 07, 2012
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
Actually prounounced BOB WAIR. I was raised in Morse (find that on a map) and near Middle Well, Texas. Some time was spent in Buna Vista (near Borger.) I only give Amarillo (pronounced Amarilla) Biggest town I lived in growing up was Dumas Populatioin 15000. Blue Skies. Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> Date: Friday, December 7, 2012 17:01 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > > Nobody but a city slicker from the "panhandle" would call barbed wire "bob wire"! > > Gene > > On Dec 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" < wrote: > > > > > Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?) I really don't remember since moving to San Antonio. > > > > Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold down here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy when it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm. > > > > I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable. > > > > I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but a Bob wire fence and half of that is down. > > > > Blue Skies, > > Steve > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ken Bickers < > > Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07 > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > > > >> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It > >> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long > >> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built. > >> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too > >> many outlets. > >> > >> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your > >> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of > >> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more > >> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is > >> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off > >> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the > >> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any > >> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the > >> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a > >> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the > >> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form. > >> > >> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet. > >> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the > >> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn > >> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the > >> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my > >> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more > >> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd > >> like. > >> > >> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken > >> > >>> Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice... > >>> > >>> Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water > >>> from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and > >>> making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile > >>> the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find > >>> a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that, > >>> somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice. > >>> > >>> Gary Boothe > >>> NX308MB > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > >>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, > >>> Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB > >>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM > >>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > >>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar > >>> > >>> --> <>>> > >>> > >>> Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of > >>> hangars that will be constructed this spring. > >>> It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It > >>> will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. > >>> We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. > >>> > >>> I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. > >>> > >>> Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, > >>> etc? > >>> > >>> Blue Skies, > >>> Steve D > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com>
Subject: forming u shaped brackets
Date: Dec 07, 2012
thx to all responses.. I think I'm going to use the EAA method of cutting the bracket in half and welding together for a perfect fit. I cannot seem to get the fit right using the other methods. From: tmbrant(at)msn.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets Date: Thu=2C 6 Dec 2012 20:00:51 -0600 I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets which hold the center section. I cannot get enough bend in the second bend to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend a fter the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense). I tried plac ing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but as close as I get=2C I'm not happy with the result. The bend is just too loos e. Any suggestions? Tom B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 08, 2012
Subject: Re: buying a hangar
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Steve, Like Jerry Dotson, I built a pole barn/hangar on a tight budget in 2000. I regret that I didn't insulate under the metal panels of the roof. Often times, moisture condenses on the inside of the roof panels, and drips onto all my junk. Insulating foil bubble wrap would have eliminated this. Here's a link for this: http://www.4bubble.com/insulative-foil-bubble-wrap?gclid=CKabnIiIi7QCFStgMgodcVEANw Whatever you do, don't skimp on insulation. Lighting: I recommend fluorescent light fixtures with electronic ballasts. Cheap fixtures are noisy and are slow in cold weather. Energy-wise, fluorescent is the best bang for the buck. Many industrial plants are switching from metal halides to T5 fluorescent fixtures. Heating: The options here are endless. However, for about $500 you can put the pex tubing in the concrete for radiant floor heating. Even if you never use it, you're not out much. But, if you leave it out, you can never add it (obviously). There are numerous ways to heat the water. One of my buddies used a propane on-demand water heater. My brother-in-law uses an outdoor wood boiler. It is a clean and very comfortable heat method. Anyway, there's my free advice! Greg Bacon NX114D(Mountain Piet) On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB < steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> wrote: > steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> > > > Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of > hangars that will be constructed this spring. > It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. > It will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to > it. We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. > > I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane. > > Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, > etc? > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 08, 2012
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Hi Mario, The wing butt rib is strengthened with braces. The 3 piece wing supplement shows these braces, see photo. The extra bracing is needed for the forces applied by the stretched fabric. I further strengthened the butt rib by wrapping the rib with a 2 inch wide strip of 1/16" plywood (T88 epoxy), see photo. The plywood also provides for more surface area for gluing in the braces. The plywood and braces made the butt rib rock solid. The credit for this method goes to John Dilatush, Mountain Piet builder. I'm simply duplicating his work. Fabric - I glued the fabric to the plywood and trimmed it flush with a razor after the glue dried. When it came time for applying the perimeter tape, I wrapped finish tape around the edge of the plywood to further secure the fabric. This is a nice method if you want an open butt rib. You can also close the butt rib with fabric. Watch the Stewart System videos on youtube to see how this is done. This was demonstrated on a Piper Colt wing. He cut 3 separate pieces of fabric and pieced them in around the spar ends. These pieces are heat shrunk along with the rest of the wing. These are just a few ideas. There are many other ways to deal with the butt rib. Hope it helps. Greg Bacon NX114D(Mountain Piet) On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:28 AM, giacummo wrote: > > > > May be I make the wrong question. I want to figure how do you cover the > wing in this side. > Where do I attach the fabric?.. I have to wrap de rib? (in this case the > side keep open) > How do you do it? > > -------- > Mario Giacummo > http://vgmk1.blogspot.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390003#390003 > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 08, 2012
Subject: Fish Scale list
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Who is next in line for the fish scale? Would like to thrust test sometime in Jan if possible. 11298 Campbell Bridge Drive Prairie Home, MO 65068 Thank you! -- Greg Bacon NX114D(Mountain Piet) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 08, 2012
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: forming u shaped brackets
Are you talking about the u bracket that wraps over the top of the spar?- If so, ours is welded as well, and works fine.- - Shad --- On Fri, 12/7/12, TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote: From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets Date: Friday, December 7, 2012, 7:46 PM thx to all responses..- I think I'm going to use the EAA method of cuttin g the bracket in half and welding together for a perfect fit.- I cannot s eem to get the fit right using the other methods. From: tmbrant(at)msn.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 20:00:51 -0600 I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets which hold the center section.- I cannot get enough bend in the second be nd to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend after the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense).- I tried placing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but as close as I get, I'm not happy with the result.- The bend is just too loose.- Any suggestions? Tom B. _blank">www.aeroelectric.com " target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Dec 08, 2012
Subject: Re: Fish Scale list
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Subject: Re: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 08, 2012
Greg, Good to hear that you are almost ready for the Official Pietenpol List Indu strial Fish Scale. At present, Mr. (mean man) Gene Rambo, of the great stat e of Virginia, has possession. Last I heard he had a request entered to kee p it until his "further testing" could be performed. If we could get him to chime-in here with his current inclination to relinquish, it would be grea tly appreciated. In the meantime, I have taken due note of your shipping ad dress. Mr. Rambo, are you out there? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:07 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list Who is next in line for the fish scale? Would like to thrust test sometime in Jan if possible. 11298 Campbell Bridge Drive Prairie Home, MO 65068 Thank you! -- Greg Bacon NX114D(Mountain Piet) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fish Scale list
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 08, 2012
Hi Perry, Of course you are welcome to use The Fish Scale. Anyone with a Pietenpol is welcome to use it! The only thing that is required is to give the feedback results for all of us to digest and record. Please see my previous post to Greg Bacon. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Perry Rhoads <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net> Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 3:01 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list If you're allowed to use it on an A-65, I'd like to try it. Perry Rhoads Carlinville,IL. N12939 Sent from my Motorola ATRIX=84=A2 4G on AT&T -----Original message----- From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 16:06:31 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list Who is next in line for the fish scale? Would like to thrust test sometime in Jan if possible. 11298 Campbell Bridge Drive Prairie Home, MO 65068 Thank you! -- Greg Bacon NX114D(Mountain Piet) =EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD,=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD% =EF=BD=EF=BDM4=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BDx=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD =EF=BDw=EF=BDr=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo
Date: Dec 08, 2012
Yes, I am probably going to do another test on Monday. I have been chasing a poor idle problem and may have it licked. If I don't, I can relinquish ... Gene On Dec 8, 2012, at 5:36 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > Greg, > > Good to hear that you are almost ready for the Official Pietenpol List Ind ustrial Fish Scale. At present, Mr. (mean man) Gene Rambo, of the great stat e of Virginia, has possession. Last I heard he had a request entered to keep it until his "further testing" could be performed. If we could get him to c hime-in here with his current inclination to relinquish, it would be greatly appreciated. In the meantime, I have taken due note of your shipping addres s. > Mr. Rambo, are you out there? > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:07 am > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list > > Who is next in line for the fish scale? > > Would like to thrust test sometime in Jan if possible. > > 11298 Campbell Bridge Drive > Prairie Home, MO 65068 > > Thank you! > > -- > Greg Bacon > NX114D(Mountain Piet) > > > > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com > " target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 08, 2012
OK Gene, When you are finished, if you could kindly advance it directly on to Greg, and make a note on this list at that time, that would be good. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 4:54 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo Yes, I am probably going to do another test on Monday. I have been chasing a poor idle problem and may have it licked. If I don't, I can relinquish .. . Gene On Dec 8, 2012, at 5:36 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: Greg, Good to hear that you are almost ready for the Official Pietenpol List Indu strial Fish Scale. At present, Mr. (mean man) Gene Rambo, of the great stat e of Virginia, has possession. Last I heard he had a request entered to kee p it until his "further testing" could be performed. If we could get him to chime-in here with his current inclination to relinquish, it would be grea tly appreciated. In the meantime, I have taken due note of your shipping ad dress. Mr. Rambo, are you out there? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:07 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list Who is next in line for the fish scale? Would like to thrust test sometime in Jan if possible. 11298 Campbell Bridge Drive Prairie Home, MO 65068 Thank you! -- Greg Bacon NX114D(Mountain Piet) _blank">www.aeroelectric.com " target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 08, 2012
I'm not quite ready to get in queue for the scales, but close. I finished washing up Scout today, looks MUCH better now, and will start in on a few minor repairs that are needed. One of those is replacement of the front main seal on the engine, which has been weeping a fine mist of oil into the prop wash. My thought is to run the static thrust test with the prop that's on it, then go out and fly to do some timed climbs and level WOT cruise, then go back to the hangar and pull the Culver prop, change the seal, and install the Prince prop. Changing the seal will be just a bit easier with the prop off the hub. I'll follow that up with a static fish scale thrust test to compare the Prince to the Culver, go out and fly some time-to-climb and max level cruise, and I'll be done with the scales. I'm weeks away from that yet, but will raise my hand when I think I'm ready. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390083#390083 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 08, 2012
Subject: Re: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Thanks Dan and Gene. No big rush. Sometime in Jan is fine. I figured setting a deadline for testing would motivate me to get her ready. Still need to purchase a battery and clean out the fuel tank. Cheers! On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 5:05 PM, wrote: > OK Gene, > > When you are finished, if you could kindly advance* it* directly on to > Greg, and make a note on this list at that time, that would be good. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 4:54 pm > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo > > Yes, I am probably going to do another test on Monday. I have been > chasing a poor idle problem and may have it licked. If I don't, I can > relinquish ... > > Gene > > On Dec 8, 2012, at 5:36 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > > Greg, > > Good to hear that you are almost ready for the *Official Pietenpol List > Industrial Fish Scale*. At present, Mr. (mean man) Gene Rambo, of the > great state of Virginia, has possession. Last I heard he had a request > entered to keep it until his "further testing" could be performed. If we > could get him to chime-in here with his current inclination to relinquish, > it would be greatly appreciated. In the meantime, I have taken due note of > your shipping address. > Mr. Rambo, are you out there? > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:07 am > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list > > Who is next in line for the fish scale? > > Would like to thrust test sometime in Jan if possible. > > 11298 Campbell Bridge Drive > Prairie Home, MO 65068 > > Thank you! > > -- > Greg Bacon > NX114D(Mountain Piet) > > > * > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com > " target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > * > > * > > * > > * > > 3D============================================ > 3D============================================ > 3D============================================ > 3D============================================ > * > > * > > > * > > -- Greg Bacon NX114D(Mountain Piet) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Varnish Question
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Dec 09, 2012
I have been spraying some interior parts, thinned 10% with very good success. The last coat sprayed yesterday has a fog look under the surface. The only difference from other times were, A bit cooler, 60 degrees and a new can of varnish. Any ideas? The new can of varnish looks clear. Sent from my iPad Jack Textor ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Varnish Question
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Dec 09, 2012
High humidity and too thick of an application. It's purely cosmetic, but next time either thin more, or use a fast drying solvent like acetone. Gary NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jack wrote: > > I have been spraying some interior parts, thinned 10% with very good success. The last coat sprayed yesterday has a fog look under the surface. The only difference from other times were, A bit cooler, 60 degrees and a new can of varnish. Any ideas? The new can of varnish looks clear. > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Varnish Question
Date: Dec 09, 2012
Jack, I'm certainly not an expert but the foggy look might come from moisture. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Varnish Question > > I have been spraying some interior parts, thinned 10% with very good > success. The last coat sprayed yesterday has a fog look under the surface. > The only difference from other times were, A bit cooler, 60 degrees and a > new can of varnish. Any ideas? The new can of varnish looks clear. > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 09, 2012
Subject: Fwd: Speaking of planes for sale
From: ken anderson <kanderson051(at)gmail.com>
Forwarding this on someone may be interested. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "earhart500" <earhart500(at)aol.com> Date: Dec 8, 2012 8:45 PM Subject: Fwd: Speaking of planes for sale Jeff, your wish is my command! :~) Everyone, please feel free to pass this along to your own flying lists and clubs, too. (Eve? Dave?) Have a good weekend, everyone! Diane Diane Earhart "*A mile of road will take you a mile, * *but a mile of runway will take you anywhere*" (Quote stolen from Jeff Wilson who stole it from someone else.) -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 9:32 am Subject: Speaking of planes for sale Hi Diane, Before I post this on Barnstormers, I wonder if you would send this through your vast network of email contacts for me. I would like to let everyone locally know about it first. Do you have any contacts for Chapter 32? I used to be a member with them a long time ago. Would like to let them all know too. I have a pristine Continental A-65-8A for sale. 200 hours since major. Chrome cylinders, chrome valve covers, new wiring harness, full intake, carb and exhaust with carb heat and cabin heat muffs. Mounted on included engine stand. Includes extras, package of new valve cover gaskets and a bag full of new copper plug gaskets. No data plate. Mount and fly. $3500 firm. Jeff Wilson 314-974-4589 jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Varnish Question
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Dec 09, 2012
Have never tried acetone, 10 % work with it too? Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Dec 9, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > High humidity and too thick of an application. It's purely cosmetic, but next time either thin more, or use a fast drying solvent like acetone. > > Gary > NX308MB > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 9, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jack wrote: > >> >> I have been spraying some interior parts, thinned 10% with very good success. The last coat sprayed yesterday has a fog look under the surface. The only difference from other times were, A bit cooler, 60 degrees and a new can of varnish. Any ideas? The new can of varnish looks clear. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> Jack Textor > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Varnish Question
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Dec 09, 2012
Sure. Solvent amounts would be the same, just that some dry quicker. In summer you might drop back to thinner. BTW - without sanding the cloudy varnish off, there is nothing to be done for it. Gary Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Jack wrote: > > Have never tried acetone, 10 % work with it too? > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Dec 9, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > >> >> High humidity and too thick of an application. It's purely cosmetic, but next time either thin more, or use a fast drying solvent like acetone. >> >> Gary >> NX308MB >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 9, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jack wrote: >> >>> >>> I have been spraying some interior parts, thinned 10% with very good success. The last coat sprayed yesterday has a fog look under the surface. The only difference from other times were, A bit cooler, 60 degrees and a new can of varnish. Any ideas? The new can of varnish looks clear. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> Jack Textor > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <don.h(at)wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: Varnish Question
Date: Dec 09, 2012
I think you mean a slow drying thinner so the water can get away before the paint drys it called blushing a painters night mear -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 12:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnish Question High humidity and too thick of an application. It's purely cosmetic, but next time either thin more, or use a fast drying solvent like acetone. Gary NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jack wrote: > > I have been spraying some interior parts, thinned 10% with very good > success. The last coat sprayed yesterday has a fog look under the surface. > The only difference from other times were, A bit cooler, 60 degrees and a > new can of varnish. Any ideas? The new can of varnish looks clear. > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: buying a hangar
Date: Dec 09, 2012
The matter of condensation on the underside of your metal hangar roof shoul d not be taken too lightly. When I was making repairs to my fuselage after the nose-over=2C the wings remained stored in a hangar in Zapata=2C TX and were there for many months. The underside of the hangar roof was somewhat corroded=2C so the condensation dripping down from the roof was not just c lear "dew". The upper surfaces of Scout's wings bear permanently discolore d stains from the drips (along with some bat droppings). Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Varnish Question
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Dec 09, 2012
Oh good more sanding! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Dec 9, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Sure. Solvent amounts would be the same, just that some dry quicker. In summer you might drop back to thinner. BTW - without sanding the cloudy varnish off, there is nothing to be done for it. > > Gary > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 9, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Jack wrote: > >> >> Have never tried acetone, 10 % work with it too? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> Jack Textor >> >> On Dec 9, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: >> >>> >>> High humidity and too thick of an application. It's purely cosmetic, but next time either thin more, or use a fast drying solvent like acetone. >>> >>> Gary >>> NX308MB >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jack wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I have been spraying some interior parts, thinned 10% with very good success. The last coat sprayed yesterday has a fog look under the surface. The only difference from other times were, A bit cooler, 60 degrees and a new can of varnish. Any ideas? The new can of varnish looks clear. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> Jack Textor > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Varnish Question
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 09, 2012
I think Don is right, if you're finish is blushing, you want to use a retardant. A fast drying thinner tends to cool more (latent heat of vaporization), which causes the condensation that shows up as that foggy milky appearance. On finishes you can redissolve (lacquers, dope, etc) you can eliminate it sometimes on subsequent applications, but on varnish, it's there to stay unless removed abrasively. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390105#390105 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Varnish Question
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Dec 09, 2012
This is not a physics problem...it's a chemistry problem! If the varnish is too soft (un-dried) as it comes into contact with excessive moisture, the surface curing agents react negatively with the moisture. In cool and/or humid conditions, it's important to speed up the cure, by using fast drying thinners. Gary Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2012, at 11:27 AM, "tools" wrote: > > I think Don is right, if you're finish is blushing, you want to use a retardant. A fast drying thinner tends to cool more (latent heat of vaporization), which causes the condensation that shows up as that foggy milky appearance. > > On finishes you can redissolve (lacquers, dope, etc) you can eliminate it sometimes on subsequent applications, but on varnish, it's there to stay unless removed abrasively. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390105#390105 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Varnish Question
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Date: Dec 09, 2012
C'mon Gary, blushing is blushing. Fast evaporation lowers the temperature to the dew point and moisture draws out of atmosphere. Best way to avoid is wait for a better day, followed by raise the temperature or slow the evaporation. Gene On Dec 9, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > This is not a physics problem...it's a chemistry problem! If the varnish is too soft (un-dried) as it comes into contact with excessive moisture, the surface curing agents react negatively with the moisture. In cool and/or humid conditions, it's important to speed up the cure, by using fast drying thinners. > > Gary > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 9, 2012, at 11:27 AM, "tools" wrote: > >> >> I think Don is right, if you're finish is blushing, you want to use a retardant. A fast drying thinner tends to cool more (latent heat of vaporization), which causes the condensation that shows up as that foggy milky appearance. >> >> On finishes you can redissolve (lacquers, dope, etc) you can eliminate it sometimes on subsequent applications, but on varnish, it's there to stay unless removed abrasively. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390105#390105 > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <don.h(at)wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: Varnish Question
Date: Dec 09, 2012
Sorry dont want to get anybodys jammies in a knot! But when I rebuilt my t-craft I got blushin and the paint man at where I bnought my paint said use RETARDENT thinner I wound up using almost 50 % till it worked -----Original Message----- From: tools Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 2:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Question I think Don is right, if you're finish is blushing, you want to use a retardant. A fast drying thinner tends to cool more (latent heat of vaporization), which causes the condensation that shows up as that foggy milky appearance. On finishes you can redissolve (lacquers, dope, etc) you can eliminate it sometimes on subsequent applications, but on varnish, it's there to stay unless removed abrasively. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390105#390105 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Varnish Question
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Dec 09, 2012
I stand corrected. Coming from California, humidity is something we read about. Still, when painting my cowling last spring, and dealing with paint issues, I was advised to use a slower thinner on warm days...solved my issues. Gary Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2012, at 1:09 PM, wrote: > > Sorry dont want to get anybodys jammies in a knot! But when I rebuilt my t-craft I got blushin and the paint man at where I bnought my paint said use RETARDENT thinner I wound up using almost 50 % till it worked > > -----Original Message----- From: tools > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 2:27 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Question > > > I think Don is right, if you're finish is blushing, you want to use a retardant. A fast drying thinner tends to cool more (latent heat of vaporization), which causes the condensation that shows up as that foggy milky appearance. > > On finishes you can redissolve (lacquers, dope, etc) you can eliminate it sometimes on subsequent applications, but on varnish, it's there to stay unless removed abrasively. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390105#390105 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barnwell Regional Airport" <barnwellairport(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol
Date: Dec 09, 2012
Pietenpolers, Yesterday, Don Harpers new Pietenpol went for it's first flight. After two circuits of the airport, several of the engine instruments were not reading correctly, the plane was landed and the problems will be corrected before the next flight. More information to follow as flight testing continues. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Varnish Question
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Date: Dec 09, 2012
That's right Gary....slower thinner. :) Gene On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > I stand corrected. Coming from California, humidity is something we read about. Still, when painting my cowling last spring, and dealing with paint issues, I was advised to use a slower thinner on warm days...solved my issues. > > Gary > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 9, 2012, at 1:09 PM, wrote: > >> >> Sorry dont want to get anybodys jammies in a knot! But when I rebuilt my t-craft I got blushin and the paint man at where I bnought my paint said use RETARDENT thinner I wound up using almost 50 % till it worked >> >> -----Original Message----- From: tools >> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 2:27 PM >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Question >> >> >> I think Don is right, if you're finish is blushing, you want to use a retardant. A fast drying thinner tends to cool more (latent heat of vaporization), which causes the condensation that shows up as that foggy milky appearance. >> >> On finishes you can redissolve (lacquers, dope, etc) you can eliminate it sometimes on subsequent applications, but on varnish, it's there to stay unless removed abrasively. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390105#390105 > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 09, 2012
NICE! Congratulations to Don. Can't wait to hear the head-to-head results w ith P.F.'s machine. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Barnwell Regional Airport <barnwellairport(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 3:36 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol Pietenpolers, Yesterday, Don Harpers new Pietenpol went for it's first flight. After two circuits of the airport, several of the engine instruments were n ot reading correctly, the plane was landed and the problems will be correct ed before the next flight. More information to follow as flight testing continues. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 09, 2012
From: Gardiner <airlion2(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol
On 12/9/2012 4:46 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > NICE! Congratulations to Don. Can't wait to hear the head-to-head > results with P.F.'s machine. Dan , do you have Don Harper's email address? Thanks, Gardiner. Also PF,s > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > -----Original Message----- > From: Barnwell Regional Airport <barnwellairport(at)bellsouth.net> > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 3:36 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol > > Pietenpolers, > Yesterday, Don Harpers new Pietenpol went for it's first flight. > After two circuits of the airport, several of the engine instruments > were not reading correctly, the plane was landed and the problems will > be corrected before the next flight. > More information to follow as flight testing continues. > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RV Tail Wheel Design
From: "FandS_Piet" <fkim79(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 09, 2012
Attached are a couple pictures of our finished tail wheel. Originally I bought a Matco wheel because dad and I both wanted to have a steerable tail wheel that also has a break free mechanism, but we also wanted more to go with the original design. I returned the Matco and we purchased an RV setup from Vans for a reasonable 140.00. After a few small modifications we now have what we see as the best of both worlds. A steerable tail wheel with a break free mechanism that is built from the plans. It is a very simple modification (I am speaking for my father because he "designed the modification" if that makes sense, while I was and still am busy with the birth of my son). Anyway if anybody is interested in this idea we have part numbers from Vans and Dad made a drawings of the modifications that need to be made. P.S. Has anybody heard from Chris Tracy? We have been trying to reach him to see if he would want to post our pictures to his website? -------- Fred Kim Pittsburgh, Pa Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390122#390122 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag0331_166.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag0330_127.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag0329_190.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag0328_108.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Varnish Question
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 09, 2012
Gene is right on. You can get it whether it is cool or hot. The closer the temperature is to the dewpoint, the quicker it will blush. It's when the temperature and dewpoint spread is close together when you get the most trouble. If the temperature was 60 degrees and you got it, most likely the dewpoint was not far below. If you could heat it up in the room it would be better. There have been days where I've tried to paint and it was a great temperature, maybe mid seventies, and I got blushing. If I heated my shop into the 90's I could get away from the blushing. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390123#390123 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 09, 2012
From: Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Varnish Question
On 12/9/2012 11:00 AM, Jack wrote: > > I have been spraying some interior parts, thinned 10% with very good success. The last coat sprayed yesterday has a fog look under the surface. The only difference from other times were, A bit cooler, 60 degrees and a new can of varnish. Any ideas? The new can of varnish looks clear. > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > Jack, A couple of points I would like to add. When thinning varnishes mineral spirits is the typical reducer. With the current regs most mineral spirits that you get at the big box stores is the odorless type. Without getting too technical that means that the aromatic hydrocarbons( relatives of xylene and toluene) have been removed. This lowers the solvency of the thinner drastically. Depending on the varnish and the solvent blend it was made with, this can cause problems with keeping the varnish in solution. Even more so as the temperature of the varnish is reduced. As the varnish starts to come out of solution it will cloud up. I would only use aliphatic solvents (mineral spirits and VM & P naphtha) and aromatic solvents (Xylene and toluene) as thinners for varnish. Lacquer thinner, Acetone, alcohols ect are not good to use. I would recommend the following reducers.... 85% odorless mineral spirits 15% xylene for hot days . 85% odorless mineral spirits and 15% toluene for cool days. I would also check your air/oil trap on your compressor. Make absolutely sure there is no trapped water in the trap or in your lines. Good luck. If you would like to contact me off line email me at lmforge(at)earthlink.net Rick Schreiber Valparaiso IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: hand propping
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 09, 2012
First, let's eliminate spark. Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' when starting attempts were made. I had to keep going back and forth from the nose to the cockpit as I would try different things, and anytime the prop required repositioning, I would kill the mags. The mags are new Slicks with new harnesses, impulse couplings on both, and as I said, the plugs looked just the right color. I did not gap them though. Now let's talk fuel. Of course I drained samples from the gascolator several times after washing the airplane since the "bent rod and cork" fuel level system requires that there be an open hole in the fuel cap, and another right next to it for a vent. I drained a very, very small amount of water from the gascolator on the first check and none thereafter. I also drained a bit of fuel into a plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so it was flowing well and should be clean. Fuel valve was on when starting attempts were made. Last item is air. I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter to check for obstructions, but I should do that since it's about due for a good cleaning and re-oiling after the dusty time it just had in Texas. I'll have to admit that the mixture may have been running rich if the filter is obstructed. I'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the machine back to Texas. It always started easily down there ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390130#390130 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Dec 09, 2012
Subject: Re: hand propping
Perhaps the starter is the problem. I say just quit trying and ship the thing home! Blue Skies, Steve BTW it was almost 80 degrees today and muggy ----- Original Message ----- From: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> Date: Sunday, December 9, 2012 22:16 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping > > First, let's eliminate spark. Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' when starting attempts were made. I had to keep going back and forth > from the nose to the cockpit as I would try different things, and > anytime the prop required repositioning, I would kill the mags. > The mags are new Slicks with new harnesses, impulse couplings on > both, and as I said, the plugs looked just the right color. I did > not gap them though. > > Now let's talk fuel. Of course I drained samples from the > gascolator several times after washing the airplane since the "bent > rod and cork" fuel level system requires that there be an open hole > in the fuel cap, and another right next to it for a vent. I > drained a very, very small amount of water from the gascolator on > the first check and none thereafter. I also drained a bit of fuel > into a plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so it was flowing > well and should be clean. Fuel valve was on when starting attempts > were made. > > Last item is air. I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter > to check for obstructions, but I should do that since it's about > due for a good cleaning and re-oiling after the dusty time it just > had in Texas. I'll have to admit that the mixture may have been > running rich if the filter is obstructed. > > I'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the > machine back to Texas. It always started easily down there ;o) > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390130#390130 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 09, 2012
From: Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: hand propping
One last thing about fuel... I hate it when water gets in the system someho w. This will frustrate any attempts to start the engine. We use car gas. As a precaution, we use a Mr. Funnel to filter our fuel.- A. it filters the fuel of particles. B. it removes any water sold to you as fuel from the Sunoco. Andy Abreu N6186L --- On Sun, 12/9/12, taildrags wrote: From: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping Date: Sunday, December 9, 2012, 11:11 PM First, let's eliminate spark.- Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' whe n starting attempts were made.- I had to keep going back and forth from t he nose to the cockpit as I would try different things, and anytime the pro p required repositioning, I would kill the mags.- The mags are new Slicks with new harnesses, impulse couplings on both, and as I said, the plugs lo oked just the right color.- I did not gap them though. Now let's talk fuel.- Of course I drained samples from the gascolator sev eral times after washing the airplane since the "bent rod and cork" fuel le vel system requires that there be an open hole in the fuel cap, and another right next to it for a vent.- I drained a very, very small amount of wat er from the gascolator on the first check and none thereafter.- I also dr ained a bit of fuel into a plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so it was flowing well and should be clean.- Fuel valve was on when starting attem pts were made. Last item is air.- I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter to chec k for obstructions, but I should do that since it's about due for a good cl eaning and re-oiling after the dusty time it just had in Texas.- I'll hav e to admit that the mixture may have been running rich if the filter is obs tructed. I'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the machine back to Texas.- It always started easily down there ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390130#390130 le, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 09, 2012
Subject: Re: hand propping
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
But did you visually check for spark? If you did not, you did not eliminate spark. Disconnect all plug wires, remove a plug, connect its plug wire, and lay it on a head. With switch on, swing the prop and look for spark.... On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 10:11 PM, taildrags wrote: > > First, let's eliminate spark. Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' when > starting attempts were made. I had to keep going back and forth from the > nose to the cockpit as I would try different things, and anytime the prop > required repositioning, I would kill the mags. The mags are new Slicks > with new harnesses, impulse couplings on both, and as I said, the plugs > looked just the right color. I did not gap them though. > > Now let's talk fuel. Of course I drained samples from the gascolator > several times after washing the airplane since the "bent rod and cork" fuel > level system requires that there be an open hole in the fuel cap, and > another right next to it for a vent. I drained a very, very small amount > of water from the gascolator on the first check and none thereafter. I > also drained a bit of fuel into a plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so > it was flowing well and should be clean. Fuel valve was on when starting > attempts were made. > > Last item is air. I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter to check > for obstructions, but I should do that since it's about due for a good > cleaning and re-oiling after the dusty time it just had in Texas. I'll > have to admit that the mixture may have been running rich if the filter is > obstructed. > > I'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the machine back > to Texas. It always started easily down there ;o) > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390130#390130 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: hand propping
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 09, 2012
Andy wrote: >Throttle closed, stick back, brakes set, mags off. >Turn the prop through a few times , and then impulse >mags on. It usually starts on the first or second pull. Yes, that is standard starting procedure and it usually works (Stromberg carb). >Sometimes the mixture is too rich or I suspect it's flooded. >In those cases, I'll try a few things. >--Turn the prop backwards with the mags off and throttle full open >then try starting it again. This helps if you think you've flooded it. It didn't help. I thought I might have flooded it, and tried that procedure. No joy. >--if that doesn't work, I'll turn the fuel valve to the off position, >throttle closed, mags hot and I hit the prop until it finds just the >right ratio. Fuel valve back on as soon as it starts. Tried that, too. I've done that a time or two when refueling, but that was usually a "hot start" situation. In any case, it didn't work today. >If it's real cold outside, I'll preheat the hangar No heat in my hangar. >Carb heat helps too. Applying carb heat does absolutely nothing until there is some heat for it to apply (exhaust has to be hot, which means the engine has to be running. I could not make it run today). >Sometimes have to restart the engine several times >until the engine warms up. I would have been happy with just *one* start, let alone restarting it several times ;o) >I often find myself trying to start the Piet solo. >Nobody seems to know about hand propping. I start my Piet solo about 99 times out of 100, and that's why today was so frustrating, because I thought that I knew and understood my engine and carb ;o) >With the engine started and oil pressure coming up and >starting to run smooth, I untie the tail. When I'm ready >to climb in, I turn off the fuel valve. Then carefully climb >into the cockpit, careful not to hit the throttle with my knee. >When I sit down, I turn the fuel valve back on. I have a very similar routine, believe me. When I get ready to climb into the cockpit, I raise the center section 'flop' with my head as I climb in, definitely watching out for the throttle (which I have bumped a time or two, and it makes your heart race). Thanks for commiserating with me, though. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390135#390135 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 10, 2012
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
Barbaro, exactly what I want to see... thank you Mario Giacummo . -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- / ...- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - . 2012/12/8 Greg Bacon > Hi Mario, > > The wing butt rib is strengthened with braces. The 3 piece wing > supplement shows these braces, see photo. The extra bracing is needed for > the forces applied by the stretched fabric. I further strengthened the > butt rib by wrapping the rib with a 2 inch wide strip of 1/16" plywood (T88 > epoxy), see photo. The plywood also provides for more surface area for > gluing in the braces. The plywood and braces made the butt rib rock solid. > The credit for this method goes to John Dilatush, Mountain Piet builder. > I'm simply duplicating his work. > > Fabric - I glued the fabric to the plywood and trimmed it flush with a > razor after the glue dried. When it came time for applying the perimeter > tape, I wrapped finish tape around the edge of the plywood to further > secure the fabric. This is a nice method if you want an open butt rib. > You can also close the butt rib with fabric. Watch the Stewart System > videos on youtube to see how this is done. This was demonstrated on a > Piper Colt wing. He cut 3 separate pieces of fabric and pieced them in > around the spar ends. These pieces are heat shrunk along with the rest of > the wing. > > These are just a few ideas. There are many other ways to deal with the > butt rib. Hope it helps. > > Greg Bacon > NX114D(Mountain Piet) > > On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:28 AM, giacummo wrote: > >> mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> >> >> May be I make the wrong question. I want to figure how do you cover the >> wing in this side. >> Where do I attach the fabric?.. I have to wrap de rib? (in this case the >> side keep open) >> How do you do it? >> >> -------- >> Mario Giacummo >> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390003#390003 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com >> ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >> et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> le, List Admin. >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Greg Bacon > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 10, 2012
Hi Gardiner, No I don't have Don's email, but I am almost sure the barnwellairport@bell south.net address is P.F.'s Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gardiner <airlion2(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 4:51 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol On 12/9/2012 4:46 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: NICE! Congratulations to Don. Can't wait to hear the head-to-hea d results with P.F.'s machine. Dan , do you have Don Harper's email address? Thanks, Gardiner. Also PF,s Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Barnwell Regional Airport <barnwellairport@bellsou th.net> To: pietenpol-list Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 3:36 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol Pietenpolers, Yesterday, Don Harpers new Pietenpol went for it's first fli ght. After two circuits of the airport, several of the engine ins truments were not reading correctly, the plane was landed an d the problems will be corrected before the next flight. More information to follow as flight testing continues. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Varnish Question
Date: Dec 10, 2012
Thanks to all for all the comments! It looks like there are many variables that can cause blushing (I learned a new word). I'm using a HVLP sprayer and thinned with naphtha. It did take awhile for the blushing to appear which made it extra frustrating. About the time I finished it started to show. Winter arrived, it's 16 degrees so I may have to delay spraying in the garage, or find a better way to heat it up. Thanks again! Jack Textor -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 11:00 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Varnish Question I have been spraying some interior parts, thinned 10% with very good success. The last coat sprayed yesterday has a fog look under the surface. The only difference from other times were, A bit cooler, 60 degrees and a new can of varnish. Any ideas? The new can of varnish looks clear. Sent from my iPad Jack Textor ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 10, 2012
From: Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: hand propping
Maybe you have something wrong with the mags. We had problems starting the engine earlier this year.- Trouble started w hen we put on a new harness from Fresno. We have Eisemann mags. When everyone got out of my hair, I pulled all the wires and turned the pro p through and watched the leads sparking against the engine case.- They a ll sparked, but it turns out we somehow managed to swap the wires for numbe r 2 & 4 cylinders. I think the firing order should be 1 3 2 4.- Short sto ry, we fixed the wires and it started and ran fine. Long story,. We still had problems with the mags.- This time with the P-l eads.- You'll be pulling the prop through and suddenly the engines starts .- Or you turn the mags off and Piety isn't ready to stop for the day.- We seem to have fixed the faulty P lead connection, but I am much more lee ry around the prop than I used to be.- Ack! Andy Abreu N6186L --- On Mon, 12/10/12, Ryan Mueller wrote: From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping Date: Monday, December 10, 2012, 12:05 AM But did you visually check for spark? If you did not, you did not eliminate spark. Disconnect all plug wires, remove a plug, connect its plug wire, and lay it on a head. With switch on, swing the prop and look for spark....- =0A On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 10:11 PM, taildrags wrote: com> =0A =0AFirst, let's eliminate spark. -Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' when starting attempts were made. -I had to keep going back and forth fro m the nose to the cockpit as I would try different things, and anytime the prop required repositioning, I would kill the mags. -The mags are new Sli cks with new harnesses, impulse couplings on both, and as I said, the plugs looked just the right color. -I did not gap them though. =0A=0A=0A =0ANow let's talk fuel. -Of course I drained samples from the gascolator several times after washing the airplane since the "bent rod and cork" fuel level system requires that there be an open hole in the fuel cap, and anot her right next to it for a vent. -I drained a very, very small amount of water from the gascolator on the first check and none thereafter. -I also drained a bit of fuel into a plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so it was flowing well and should be clean. -Fuel valve was on when starting at tempts were made. =0A=0A=0A =0ALast item is air. -I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter to c heck for obstructions, but I should do that since it's about due for a good cleaning and re-oiling after the dusty time it just had in Texas. -I'll have to admit that the mixture may have been running rich if the filter is obstructed. =0A=0A=0A =0AI'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the machine ba ck to Texas. -It always started easily down there ;o) =0A =0A-------- =0AOscar Zuniga =0AMedford, OR =0AAir Camper NX41CC "Scout" =0AA75 power =0A =0A =0A =0A =0ARead this topic online here: =0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390130#390130 =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A========== =0A="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com =0Aooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com =0Aet="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com =0A="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0Ale, List Admin. =0A========== =0Ast" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =0A========== =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com =0A========== =0A =0A =0A =0A ====================0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: hand propping
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Date: Dec 10, 2012
If you have done all of those things, it is usually lack of prime. I say get a can of starter fluid and hose it down, pull through a few times, and make it hot. If it doesn't even fire then, you have a mag problem (which I doubt) Gene On Dec 9, 2012, at 11:11 PM, "taildrags" wrote: > > First, let's eliminate spark. Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' when starting attempts were made. I had to keep going back and forth from the nose to the cockpit as I would try different things, and anytime the prop required repositioning, I would kill the mags. The mags are new Slicks with new harnesses, impulse couplings on both, and as I said, the plugs looked just the right color. I did not gap them though. > > Now let's talk fuel. Of course I drained samples from the gascolator several times after washing the airplane since the "bent rod and cork" fuel level system requires that there be an open hole in the fuel cap, and another right next to it for a vent. I drained a very, very small amount of water from the gascolator on the first check and none thereafter. I also drained a bit of fuel into a plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so it was flowing well and should be clean. Fuel valve was on when starting attempts were made. > > Last item is air. I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter to check for obstructions, but I should do that since it's about due for a good cleaning and re-oiling after the dusty time it just had in Texas. I'll have to admit that the mixture may have been running rich if the filter is obstructed. > > I'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the machine back to Texas. It always started easily down there ;o) > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390130#390130 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Dec 10, 2012
What is the purpose of the 1/16 by 2 plywood rib braces? Once glued to the ribs it seems to me like they're just hangin out there. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390161#390161 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_ply_brace_112_199.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: hand propping
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 10, 2012
Did fuel ever drip from the carb? With all of that work, I would imagine it would be likely to get a few drops which would at least eliminate fuel starvation as a cause. Your float valve could be stuck closed, and you'd have no fuel despite all these efforts. Next, it would seem the only thing you haven't checked into would be the mag switch and p-lead wiring. Switches do have a life consisting of a certain number of operations, after which, they quit working. Doesn't seem likely, but worth confirming. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390162#390162 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Dec 10, 2012
Hi PF - Please pass on Shelley & my congratulations to Don. Thanks -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390163#390163 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 10, 2012
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
John, This is just my speculation as this is John Dilatush's design modification. The 2 inch strip provides for extra surface area for attaching the fabric and for gluing the rib braces in place. I think this would also serve as support for the wing root gap covers. On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:40 AM, John Francis wrote: > > What is the purpose of the 1/16 by 2 plywood rib braces? Once glued to > the ribs it seems to me like they're just hangin out there. > > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390161#390161 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_ply_brace_112_199.jpg > > -- Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO NX114D(Mountain Piet) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 10, 2012
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
I think glue the cover over it, in a big surface, and help the ribb from the tension do it when you shrink the clothe Mario Giacummo . -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- / ...- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - . 2012/12/10 John Francis > > What is the purpose of the 1/16 by 2 plywood rib braces? Once glued to > the ribs it seems to me like they're just hangin out there. > > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390161#390161 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_ply_brace_112_199.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 10, 2012
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: 2012 List of Contributors
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Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Dec 10, 2012
John it is necessary for sure. It keeps the root rib from flexing outward towards the tip when shrinking your fabric. Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Dec 10, 2012, at 9:40 AM, "John Francis" wrote: > > What is the purpose of the 1/16 by 2 plywood rib braces? Once glued to the ribs it seems to me like they're just hangin out there. > > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390161#390161 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_ply_brace_112_199.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Dec 10, 2012
Is it just the stiffness of the plywood glued to the cap strip that prevents it from bending? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390245#390245 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol
From: Robert Bush <rbush96589(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 10, 2012
Hi PF, Tell Don congrats for me. Y'all are gonna have to fly to Brodhead and stop b y tn and I'll fly with you! Randy Bush Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2012, at 3:35 PM, "Barnwell Regional Airport" wrote: > Pietenpolers, > > Yesterday, Don Harpers new Pietenpol went for it's first flight. > > After two circuits of the airport, several of the engine instruments were n ot reading correctly, the plane was landed and the problems will be correcte d before the next flight. > > More information to follow as flight testing continues. > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Dec 10, 2012
Yes, 2 inches at 90 degrees is very rigid. Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Dec 10, 2012, at 12:57 PM, "John Francis" wrote: > > Is it just the stiffness of the plywood glued to the cap strip that prevents it from bending? > > -------- > John Francis > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390245#390245 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question)
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Date: Dec 10, 2012
Don't think I would have admitted to 2", but if it works.... Gene On Dec 10, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Jack wrote: > > Yes, 2 inches at 90 degrees is very rigid. > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Dec 10, 2012, at 12:57 PM, "John Francis" wrote: > >> >> Is it just the stiffness of the plywood glued to the cap strip that prevents it from bending?


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