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From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi Jim - We dumped 11 gallons in and then 9.5 came out during the flow test. At
6 gph that gives me 1:35 flight time. I made the tank to the plans without
considering the higher fuel consumption of my engine.
16 gallons will give you more flight time than you want.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Subject: | Greg Bacon's progress |
Greg-you are doing some fine looking work and I like your priorities with y
our basement drywalled but
not completely finished-yet you're working on the Piet. You got it right
:)!
If you have any other progress photos I for one would be happy if you share
d them with us. Perhaps you've
already got a Chris Tracy Westcoast Piet web site photo bunch entered.
Mike C.
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Had a chance to fly both airplanes ' my Pietenpol and my RV-4 today.
63=B0
and calm winds, which is a far cry from the high of 42=B0 they are
forecasting
for tomorrow. This time of year I try to fly the Pietenpol every day
that I
can with warm temperatures. Very nice flying above Smith Mountain Lake,
a
beautiful lake surrounded by the Blue Ridge Mountains. Here=92s a video
shot
by a friend of mine as I took him and his wife flying in my plane a
couple
of years ago. I think I posted this a couple of years ago but some of
the
newer builders might enjoy this as inspiration for the coming winter
(prime
building) months.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5HZGq0YZ2Y
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: | Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com> |
Very important point Kevin just made.- Fuel starvation is a common theme
in homebuilts.
Just because you got 11 gallon tank don't mean you got 11 gallons of usable
fuel.
We have a center section fuel tank in our Piet...- 11 gallons.. 8 gallons
useable.- We go with a 4 gallon burn on our A65 which technically gives
us about 1.5 hours endurance per the FARs.- As a club rule, we land with
60 minutes instead of 30 remaining in the tank.- I can only stand about a
n hour anyway.- After that, I have to get out and do some yoga.
Another thing... We also noticed that in an extended slip, we are easily ab
le to unport the fuel pickup and starve the engine!!!- With the metal pro
pellor windmilling, the A65 started right back up as soon as the slip was t
erminated.- Now that I think of it, I wonder if our new wooden prop will
windmill like the metal one does.-
Andy Abreu
6186L
--- On Mon, 11/26/12, kevinpurtee wrote:
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress
Date: Monday, November 26, 2012, 5:08 PM
il>
Hi Jim - We dumped 11 gallons in and then 9.5 came out during the flow test
.- At 6 gph that gives me 1:35 flight time.- I made the tank to the pla
ns without considering the higher fuel consumption of my engine.
16 gallons will give you more flight time than you want.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
"I wonder if our new wooden prop will windmill like the metal one does."
You can bet it won't!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andre Abreu
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress
Very important point Kevin just made. Fuel starvation is a common theme in
homebuilts.
Just because you got 11 gallon tank don't mean you got 11 gallons of usable
fuel.
We have a center section fuel tank in our Piet... 11 gallons.. 8 gallons
useable. We go with a 4 gallon burn on our A65 which technically gives us
about 1.5 hours endurance per the FARs. As a club rule, we land with 60
minutes instead of 30 remaining in the tank. I can only stand about an hour
anyway. After that, I have to get out and do some yoga.
Another thing... We also noticed that in an extended slip, we are easily
able to unport the fuel pickup and starve the engine!!! With the metal
propellor windmilling, the A65 started right back up as soon as the slip was
terminated. Now that I think of it, I wonder if our new wooden prop will
windmill like the metal one does.
Andy Abreu
6186L
--- On Mon, 11/26/12, kevinpurtee wrote:
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress
Date: Monday, November 26, 2012, 5:08 PM
Hi Jim - We dumped 11 gallons in and then 9.5 came out during the flow test.
At 6 gph that gives me 1:35 flight time. I made the tank to the plans
without considering the higher fuel consumption of my engine.
16 gallons will give you more flight time than you want.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
Subject: | Re: center section question |
On 11/26/2012 3:05 PM, Don Emch wrote:
>
> You can keep a nice neat and uniform appearance if you run a capstrip in the
location where a rib would be and glue it to the underside of the plywood. It
adds a little stiffness to the plywood too. Then drill small holes in the plywood
and stitch the fabric to the capstrip/plywood. Keeps it very neat and uniform
and I always like the idea of stitching rather than glueing, even if it
is on the underside. That's how I did mine... but again, there are many "correct"
methods out there. :D
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
Thats exactly what I did Don. It was easy and looks great.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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Subject: | Kind of OT camera question |
From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
I give quite a few rides and one thing I've been doing lately is holding a camera
out to the side and snapping a picture of the passenger. Been getting pretty
good at my aim. They seem to really like the pictures and want to have a copy
of it. I thought I might try to step it up a little and try to mount a video
camera out on the strut. Does anybody know what a decent, small, and inexpensive
video camera might be to recommend?
Thanks!
Don Emch
NX899DE
P.S. Attached is a shot of my son from our "barnstorming trip" this summer and
a shot of my son's teacher later in the summer.... umm, I think he liked his ride.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389088#389088
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/ryan_barnstorming_102.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/mr_louk_182.jpg
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Subject: | Re: Kind of OT camera question |
From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Don,
Have you seen what can be done with a fairly inexpensive gopro rig? It is
amazing! Robert Lees put his on Greg Cardinal's piet during the Brodhead
fly-in this Summer. Of course it's main function is video, but you can get
incredible still pics from the video. You can give your passenger a nice
little video of their piet ride. Check out gopro.com. Have you made out
your Christmas list for Santa yet??
Greg Bacon
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Don Emch wrote:
>
> I give quite a few rides and one thing I've been doing lately is holding a
> camera out to the side and snapping a picture of the passenger. Been
> getting pretty good at my aim. They seem to really like the pictures and
> want to have a copy of it. I thought I might try to step it up a little
> and try to mount a video camera out on the strut. Does anybody know what a
> decent, small, and inexpensive video camera might be to recommend?
>
> Thanks!
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
> P.S. Attached is a shot of my son from our "barnstorming trip" this summer
> and a shot of my son's teacher later in the summer.... umm, I think he
> liked his ride.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389088#389088
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/ryan_barnstorming_102.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/mr_louk_182.jpg
>
>
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Greg Bacon
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From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Kind of OT camera question |
Mr. Bacon mentioned the GoPro. This is from Brodhead giving Ben Markle a
ride:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YjSybZNfS4
It took all of 30 seconds to mount the camera on the jury strut and it was
ready to go. With a little more thought and creativity with mounting
locations and a little editing a person could make some decent ride videos.
The newest version of the GoPro looks REALLY nice.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 9:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kind of OT camera question
>
> I give quite a few rides and one thing I've been doing lately is holding a
> camera out to the side and snapping a picture of the passenger. Been
> getting pretty good at my aim. They seem to really like the pictures and
> want to have a copy of it. I thought I might try to step it up a little
> and try to mount a video camera out on the strut. Does anybody know what
> a decent, small, and inexpensive video camera might be to recommend?
>
> Thanks!
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
> P.S. Attached is a shot of my son from our "barnstorming trip" this summer
> and a shot of my son's teacher later in the summer.... umm, I think he
> liked his ride.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389088#389088
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/ryan_barnstorming_102.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/mr_louk_182.jpg
>
>
>
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From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Kind of OT camera question |
5:39 - The Death Defying High Speed Pass!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Cardinal
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kind of OT camera question
-->
Mr. Bacon mentioned the GoPro. This is from Brodhead giving Ben Markle a
ride:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YjSybZNfS4
It took all of 30 seconds to mount the camera on the jury strut and it was
ready to go. With a little more thought and creativity with mounting
locations and a little editing a person could make some decent ride videos.
The newest version of the GoPro looks REALLY nice.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 9:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kind of OT camera question
>
> I give quite a few rides and one thing I've been doing lately is holding a
> camera out to the side and snapping a picture of the passenger. Been
> getting pretty good at my aim. They seem to really like the pictures and
> want to have a copy of it. I thought I might try to step it up a little
> and try to mount a video camera out on the strut. Does anybody know what
> a decent, small, and inexpensive video camera might be to recommend?
>
> Thanks!
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
> P.S. Attached is a shot of my son from our "barnstorming trip" this summer
> and a shot of my son's teacher later in the summer.... umm, I think he
> liked his ride.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389088#389088
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/ryan_barnstorming_102.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/mr_louk_182.jpg
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Greg Bacon's progress |
From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Mike,
Thanks for your kind words. I appreciate it. Since you asked, I took a
few pics this evening. See attached.
Although progress has stalled a bit recently due to deer hunting season and
Thanksgiving, I did actually move the ball forward by getting the wing
struts powder coated this month. They look phenomenal, and for $12 each,
it was a bargain.
The wing and CS are both covered and awaiting UV and finished paint coats.
The light at the end of the tunnel is in sight!
I also included pics of the aileron cable penetrations, because I thought
it was worth sharing. Except for widening the CS, I'm attempting to
duplicate John Dilatush's work in order to have closely matching wing
panels. John modified the inspection plate for the bottom aileron
penetration. This is cool because it gives nice access to the pulleys and
top cable. Does anyone know if this is John's idea, or have others done
this?
There is a fair amount of work to be done on the fuselage prior to flying;
new bungees, replace gas lines, clean gas tank, fix flat tire, change oil,
install new battery, and a few other tasks. I'm sure some other things
will pop up to. Will keep you posted.
Greg Bacon
NX114D (Mountain Piet)
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] wrote:
> Greg-you are doing some fine looking work and I like your priorities with
> your basement drywalled but****
>
> not completely finished=97yet you=92re working on the Piet. You got it
right
> J! ****
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>
> If you have any other progress photos I for one would be happy if you
> shared them with us. Perhaps you=92ve****
>
> already got a Chris Tracy Westcoast Piet web site photo bunch entered.
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> ** **
>
> Mike C.****
>
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Greg Bacon
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From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: center section question |
tanks for the advice Don, just nex days stared put togheter my center secti
on ,yesterday finished my last rib 30 all, one nouse and cuple section for
those center section ,just tookmy 5month, 4days , 3hours, 15minuts,10secons
, 2tick and one tock, but is bery relaxing make aribs and make the time fly
,tanks all you guys, all way frienly help and-talk all your coment, peop
le like my need alot .bery soorry for not by so god to these site for send
you pictured and chare more stuff but, raly tanks for you help and jope one
those days met you for drink coffe and haved long nice talk ,frienly jorge
from hanfor,;; note I whished my ducku ugly (my piet ) looks so wonderfull
like your did whit your ships realy is a museum pice.=0A=0A=0AFrom: Don Em
ch =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, No
vember 26, 2012 1:05 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: center section quest
=0A=0AYou can keep a nice neat and uniform appearance if you run a capstrip
in the location where a rib would be and glue it to the underside of the p
lywood.- It adds a little stiffness to the plywood too.- Then drill sma
ll holes in the plywood and stitch the fabric to the capstrip/plywood.- K
eeps it very neat and uniform and I always like the idea of stitching rathe
r than glueing, even if it is on the underside.- That's how I did mine...
but again, there are many "correct" methods out there.- :D =0A=0ADon Emc
h=0ANX899DE=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.m
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Subject: | Re: Greg Bacon's progress |
From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Appears to be. He apparently replied to your thread on the center section to include
some photos. I don't see it either.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389097#389097
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Subject: | Re: Kind of OT camera question |
From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
The strut and nose shots were taken by a GoPro in this vid from two summers
ago http://youtu.be/MiLcMV7N8r0
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 10:52 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Kind of OT camera question
5:39 - The Death Defying High Speed Pass!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Cardinal
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kind of OT camera question
-->
Mr. Bacon mentioned the GoPro. This is from Brodhead giving Ben Markle a
ride:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YjSybZNfS4
It took all of 30 seconds to mount the camera on the jury strut and it was
ready to go. With a little more thought and creativity with mounting
locations and a little editing a person could make some decent ride videos.
The newest version of the GoPro looks REALLY nice.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 9:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kind of OT camera question
>
> I give quite a few rides and one thing I've been doing lately is holding
a
> camera out to the side and snapping a picture of the passenger. Been
> getting pretty good at my aim. They seem to really like the pictures and
> want to have a copy of it. I thought I might try to step it up a little
> and try to mount a video camera out on the strut. Does anybody know what
> a decent, small, and inexpensive video camera might be to recommend?
>
> Thanks!
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
> P.S. Attached is a shot of my son from our "barnstorming trip" this summe
r
> and a shot of my son's teacher later in the summer.... umm, I think he
> liked his ride.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389088#389088
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/ryan_barnstorming_102.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/mr_louk_182.jpg
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Kind of OT camera question |
From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Thanks guys! It looks like I need to check out the GoPro. Greg, I can't believe
how steady the camera is throughout that video. Either your airplane has turbine
smoothness or that camera just doesn't pick up the vibrations. Very nice!
Yep, might need to rethink the Santa list.
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389104#389104
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Subject: | GoPro - camera mount infomation |
From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Pieters - See the forwarded email from Robert Lees. He introduced me (and
many others) to the GoPro camera. For those of you who haven't met him,
Robert almost always makes the Brodhead gatherings. He has an awesome
Taylorcraft that he restored. He's a super nice bloke from the UK.
By the way, you can only see his youtube vids through the link below. You
will not find them by youtube search. His vids are unlisted or something
like that.
Greg Bacon
NX114D (Mountain Piet)
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Robert Lees <robert.lees(at)gmx.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Hello Robert!
Cc: Greg Cardinal
Hi Greg (& Greg!)
Thanks for the compliment; it was a lot of work at the time, but you'll
know all about that!
For my wingtip camera, I have a similar set-up to what you describe. Two
threaded inserts that are affixed to my wingtip bow. To these, I bolt a
6-foot long aluminium tube (about 1-1/2 inch diameter) with the bolts
simply going through two holes drilled through the tube.
This is the result: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLP9YUvkARM
The fore-and-aft views are with the GoPro stuck to the skylight with the
rubber sucker. I now use a piece of neutral density film (filter) in the
lens to get rid of those awful prop artifacts.
I have lots of other ideas, including an old mount that I used 15 years ago
for an old still camera that put the camera about 12 inches below the
wingtip, which had the following result back then:
http://www.taylorcraft.org.uk/N%20Norway2.jpg and
http://www.taylorcraft.org.uk/brey_final_for_hFest.jpg
A lot is up to your own imagination!
Good to hear from you, and no, that wasn't me in your 2004 photo, although
I could see why you thought it might.
Best regards,
Rob
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Bacon
Sent: 10/12/12 02:13 PM
Subject: Hello Robert!
Hi Robert,
I just visited your web site to get your email address. G-BREY looks
incredible. Your restoration looks absolutely awesome. No doubt your
aircraft is BETTER than new.
Mtn Piet wing rebuild is going well. Since our trip to Brodhead this
Summer, the girls want me to get her flying soon. As such, I've made a
lot of progress. Just last night, I finished rib stitching and applied
most of the rib finish tape (see photo).
I would like your advice on this. I strengthened the wingtip bow to
facilitate the wing rotator. The rotator is secured with 5/16 inch
all-thread. I heard you say something to Greg Cardinal about mounting your
GoPro camera on some kind of fixture at the end of the wing for a better
camera view. This gave me the wonderful idea of using the wing rotator
attach points for securing a camera mount. I'm leaving in the blind nuts
and plan to fill the holes with nylon bolts. The attach points are 24
inches apart. What are your recommendations for a camera mount/fixture?
What is the best location for the camera (centered and below the wing,
extended forward of leading edge, etc)? Or, should I fabricate a mount
with multiple camera locations. I appreciate your input and ideas.
Cheers!
Greg
--
Greg Bacon
--
Greg Bacon
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
This time of year is my favorite for many reasons...including the time off
from work and building the plane. Once again I will be- having Aero Fest;
my build marathon over the Christmas holiday. The plan is to cover the win
gs...maybe start painting them.
The area you live in is fantastic...great place to fly.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
=0A
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: Greg Bacon's progress |
I always love to see "in work" photos. Most times I see things that are different
and make me consider different approaches to building.
I do have a question Greg: the inspection cover shot...it appears to me that there
is no plastic re-enforcement ring around where the cover sits. It looks like
there was just a fabric "doubler" installed and no plastic ring.
Everything looks real nice. I will be starting the covering of my wings...NOT looking
forward to rib stitching!
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Subject: | Re: Greg Bacon's progress |
Michael, rib stitching is not really that bad. Just use one of your
kids (or wife) to position him/her self on the other side of the wing to
return the needle to you so that you don't have to either walk around to
the other side or turn the wing over to complete the stitch. My wife
helped me when I recovered the Piper Tripacer. I used Ceconite 102 and
the whole dope routine on it. The Stewart system had not made the news
at that time (possibly didn't exist). Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greg Bacon's progress
I always love to see "in work" photos. Most times I see things
that are different and make me consider different approaches to
building.
I do have a question Greg: the inspection cover shot...it
appears to me that there is no plastic re-enforcement ring around where
the cover sits. It looks like there was just a fabric "doubler"
installed and no plastic ring.
Everything looks real nice. I will be starting the covering of
my wings...NOT looking forward to rib stitching!
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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From: | Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net> |
Good video ...=C2- did you see the deer that that ran behind you when you
taxi in ....=C2-=C2- Cool !!
--- On Mon, 11/26/12, Jack Phillips wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A good Day
Date: Monday, November 26, 2012, 8:21 PM
Had a chance to fly both airplanes =93 my Pietenpol and my RV-4 today
.=C2- 63=C2=B0 and calm winds, which is a far cry from the high of 42=C2
=B0 they are forecasting for tomorrow.=C2- This time of year I try to fly
the Pietenpol every day that I can with warm temperatures.=C2- Very nice
flying above Smith Mountain Lake , a beautiful lake surrounded by the Blue
Ridge Mountains .=C2- Here=99s a video shot by a friend of mine as
I took him and his wife flying in my plane a couple of years ago.=C2- I
think I posted this a couple of years ago but some of the newer builders mi
ght enjoy this as inspiration for the coming winter (prime building) months
.
=C2-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5HZGq0YZ2Y
=C2-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia
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From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Rib stitching is to be rejoiced! It's a rite of passage!...and it's not all
that bad. My son helped with wing #1, but the 2nd wing I did by myself.8
hrs!...a good opportunity to reflect on the slowy goodness of Pietenpols.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greg Bacon's progress
I always love to see "in work" photos. Most times I see things that are
different and make me consider different approaches to building.
I do have a question Greg: the inspection cover shot...it appears to me that
there is no plastic re-enforcement ring around where the cover sits. It
looks like there was just a fabric "doubler" installed and no plastic ring.
Everything looks real nice. I will be starting the covering of my
wings...NOT looking forward to rib stitching!
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Unfortunately, deer are very common on the airport here. A couple of
weeks
ago I was giving some instruction in a DiamondStar DA-40 and just as we
landed 5 deer ran across the runway right in front of us. We were too
fast
to stop, but too slow to takeoff again. We miseed the last of the 5 by
less
than a foot. I now have a treestand up near the runway and spend a
couple
of hours a day up in that stand with a compound bow. A friend got one
last
week with a crossbow, but I have not gotten a shot yet. Too many houses
close by to hunt with a gun.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Metcalfe
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A good Day
Good video ... did you see the deer that that ran behind you when you
taxi
in .... Cool !!
--- On Mon, 11/26/12, Jack Phillips wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A good Day
Date: Monday, November 26, 2012, 8:21 PM
Had a chance to fly both airplanes ' my Pietenpol and my RV-4 today.
63=B0
and calm winds, which is a far cry from the high of 42=B0 they are
forecasting
for tomorrow. This time of year I try to fly the Pietenpol every day
that I
can with warm temperatures. Very nice flying above Smith Mountain Lake
, a
beautiful lake surrounded by the Blue Ridge Mountains . Here=92s a
video shot
by a friend of mine as I took him and his wife flying in my plane a
couple
of years ago. I think I posted this a couple of years ago but some of
the
newer builders might enjoy this as inspiration for the coming winter
(prime
building) months.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5HZGq0YZ2Y
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: Greg Bacon's progress |
I guess once I get a system down and a routine, it won't be so bad.- Stil
l, I'll be glad when it is done!
Michael Perez
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
When doing something for the first time, it is quite enjoyable. But I am no
t a fan of repetitive work. Building my first few ribs was cool, but after
rib number 4 or so, I had my fill and was ready to do something else.- Sa
me with stitching the tail surfaces...after I had my first surface stitched
, I was ready to move on. really wasn't in the mood to do the stitching on
the others. I just envisioned the wings, with all their ribs and each rib w
ith all it's stitches and knots and feeding the needle through one side and
back, (alone)...
If I can get a wing done by myself in 8 hrs., I will be very, very pleased!
I just assumed it would take days.
My plan is to start this process over my Christmas build-fest, not sure I'l
l be ready by then. I am currently working on the cockpit padding/trim...I
also need to cover/paint the center section...
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
=0A
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Working by myself it took me about 12 hours per wing to rib-lace. I did the
first wing in one day. On the second wing I spaced it out over 3 days. I
found it very satisfying.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching
When doing something for the first time, it is quite enjoyable. But I am not
a fan of repetitive work. Building my first few ribs was cool, but after rib
number 4 or so, I had my fill and was ready to do something else. Same with
stitching the tail surfaces...after I had my first surface stitched, I was
ready to move on. really wasn't in the mood to do the stitching on the
others. I just envisioned the wings, with all their ribs and each rib with
all it's stitches and knots and feeding the needle through one side and
back, (alone)...
If I can get a wing done by myself in 8 hrs., I will be very, very pleased!
I just assumed it would take days.
My plan is to start this process over my Christmas build-fest, not sure I'll
be ready by then. I am currently working on the cockpit padding/trim...I
also need to cover/paint the center section...
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Greg Bacon's progress |
From: | Gmail <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Mike,
The plastic reinforcing ring is there. It is under the plate.
And rib stitching was a source of anxiety for me before doing it. But it wa
sn't that bad. In fact, it brought the whole family into the project.
Greg
On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
>
> I always love to see "in work" photos. Most times I see things that are di
fferent and make me consider different approaches to building.
>
> I do have a question Greg: the inspection cover shot...it appears to me th
at there is no plastic re-enforcement ring around where the cover sits. It l
ooks like there was just a fabric "doubler" installed and no plastic ring.
>
> Everything looks real nice. I will be starting the covering of my wings...
NOT looking forward to rib stitching!
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
>
>
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>
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I am feeling better about it now. I know some of the other aspects of the b
uild that I was not looking forward too...like the wood landing gear...actu
ally ended up more satisfying then I thought and was not as big of a hassle
as I had envisioned.- My other hang up is the engine cowling work...as s
oon as I make the exhaust.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
=0A
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Subject: | Re: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 |
From: | John Egan <1smilingmoon(at)gmail.com> |
To finish up the throttle attachment question I had - regarding a method to
attach Bowden style throttle cales, I found a photo I took at Brodhead last
summer of a nice engine installation on a Hatz. I beleive the blue cable
clamp in the photo is a "Cable Safe No Slip Grip" Aircraft Spruce part no
05-16250 (see attached photo). They also sell a similar grip as the one
shown in the photo.
ACS also sells a collet style solid wire fitting to attach a threaded fork
end if desired on the wire end of the cable, but I think I'll try to use a
"B-Nut" on each end (not the type of b-nut that they sell in local hardware
stores, but the aircraft style b-nut as it looks a little better). So I
ordered a couple of these cable clamps and a b-nut today.
Thanks for the input every one.
John
starting to get get cold in the shop in Wisconsin...
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 4:19 PM, John Egan <1smilingmoon(at)gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Oscar,
>
> I did look at your web site prior to posting my question as you have some
> good information for us builders. I looked at the engine on the motor
> mount today, and it appears to me that I could use the double Adel clamp
> method you describe, as my "X" brace tubing for the motor mount crosses the
> path of the throttle cable in about the correct place. I'll plan on fixing
> the cable at the tubing in this location.
>
> Thank you,
>
> john e.
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:49 AM, taildrags wrote:
>
>>
>> John: take a look at the last two photos here:
>>
>> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75.html
>>
>> This is how Scout is rigged, and the way you describe the routing is
>> precisely the way I have it. I'm sorry that the photos don't show where or
>> how the cable is secured along the way, but I know that it is secured in at
>> least one place and I used the double Adel clamp method that is shown in
>> Tony's book. One clamp is on one of the tubes of the engine mount, and
>> then a second clamp (bolted to the first) clamps the throttle cable.
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388535#388535
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Greg Bacon's progress |
Greg: when I was in the rebuild of my airplane=2C I started out with a looo
onnnggg list of 'to-do' items and each time I'd go out to the hangar and wo
rk on it=2C another item or two got scratched off but I'd find myself addin
g a new item or two that I wanted to get done. Pretty soon I would condens
e and reorganize the old scratched-out list onto a clean paper=2C add new i
tems that came up=2C and keep going that way. At some point=2C I decided t
o go through the list and put a bullet next to items that I considered to b
e essential to safety of flight. Amazing... there were only about a half-d
ozen. Of those=2C only two were really essential to me firing up the engin
e and ground-testing systems=2C so in another two weekends I got to hear th
e engine run! I was able to check out my fuel system=2C ignition systems
=2C instrument readings=2C and other items- and if I would have had access
to fish scales=2C I could have even checked static thrust. Things progress
ed with much more enthusiasm from then on=2C and I was able to take my time
with quite a few items on the list *after* return to flight and the joys t
hat it brings.
The moral of the story is=2C don't push the safety envelope just so you can
get flying=2C but recognize that you may be closer to testing than you thi
nk.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C Oregon hangar T6
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au |
Subject: | Re: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 |
I was looking through this thread and was surprised to see that guys are relying
on a wire clamped with a grub screw (B-clamp) to connect to the throttle lever.
I like Oscar's use of a fork end which can be secured to the throttle lever. No
chance of wire slipping out of the B-clamp.
John Woods
Perth
----- "John Egan" <1smilingmoon(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
To finish up the throttle attachment question I had - regarding a method to attach
Bowden style throttle cales, I found a photo I took at Brodhead last summer
of a nice engine installation on a Hatz. I beleive the blue cable clamp in the
photo is a "Cable Safe No Slip Grip" Aircraft Spruce part no 05-16250 (see
attached photo). They also sell a similar grip as the one shown in the photo.
ACS also sells a collet style solid wire fitting to attach a threaded fork end
if desired on the wire end of the cable, but I think I'll try to use a "B-Nut"
on each end (not the type of b-nut that they sell in local hardware stores, but
the aircraft style b-nut as it looks a little better). So I ordered a couple
of these cable clamps and a b-nut today.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Greg Bacon's progress |
From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Oscar - Thanks for the advice. In the spirit of your message, I'm setting
a deadline for the "fish scale" thrust test for no later than Jan 31st.
This will push me a bit to get the battery installed and fuel tank cleaned
and ready. Don't worry about safety, that IS my number one consideration.
In fact, I already had my aircraft mechanic out for a site visit to
inspect the wing prior to covering. He took a bunch of photos and
commented that it looked "marvelous" and to cover it up! He will be out
again to look at it for the purpose of issuing a ferry permit. I'll then
fly it to his shop for it's first annual inspection since 2004. Thank
again for you inspiring message!
Greg Bacon
NX114D (Mountain Piet)
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> Greg: when I was in the rebuild of my airplane, I started out with a
> loooonnnggg list of 'to-do' items and each time I'd go out to the hangar
> and work on it, another item or two got scratched off but I'd find myself
> adding a new item or two that I wanted to get done. Pretty soon I would
> condense and reorganize the old scratched-out list onto a clean paper, add
> new items that came up, and keep going that way. At some point, I decided
> to go through the list and put a bullet next to items that I considered to
> be essential to safety of flight. Amazing... there were only about a
> half-dozen. Of those, only two were really essential to me firing up the
> engine and ground-testing systems, so in another two weekends I got to hear
> the engine run! I was able to check out my fuel system, ignition systems,
> instrument readings, and other items- and if I would have had access to
> fish scales, I could have even checked static thrust. Things progressed
> with much more enthusiasm from then on, and I was able to take my time with
> quite a few items on the list *after* return to flight and the joys that it
> brings.
>
> The moral of the story is, don't push the safety envelope just so you can
> get flying, but recognize that you may be closer to testing than you think.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, Oregon hangar T6
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Greg Bacon
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
I thought it was kinda fun...
my wife would say the whole time i was building.. " I'm gonna help stitch"
well.. i showed her a few stitches and she replied.."uhh...i can't do that.."
I assured here she could but she wouldn't ..so i did it all.
It was a kinda zen couple of days
jeff
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Subject: | Well... it's an airplane |
From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
So today is kinda big..
2 years and 28 days from the first rib to a pink ticket.
the DAR wasn't concerned with the construction much at all because i was an "A&P
and IA".... not that they mean i know how to build a plane but it made the little
visit pleasant..
jeff
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389355#389355
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Subject: | Re: Well... it's an airplane |
From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Congratulations!
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:42 PM, "bender" wrote:
>
> So today is kinda big..
> 2 years and 28 days from the first rib to a pink ticket.
> the DAR wasn't concerned with the construction much at all because i was an "A&P
and IA".... not that they mean i know how to build a plane but it made the
little visit pleasant..
>
> jeff
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389355#389355
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/cert_777.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Subject: | Well... it's an airplane |
Way to go Jeff Faith in getting your Experimental Amateur Built Airworthiness Certificate!!!!
That is a really fast build time. Congratulations! Obviously we all want
to know when taxi testing
and all will begin and possible first flight. Sure hope you can share a video
with us of your flight.
Will you have to mix with the jets with your Model A Ford using a handheld?
I hope the tower
gives "Gulfstream fourty-nine Zulu, use caution, wake turbulence, departing Pietenpol
Air Camper Runway 5L."
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Well... it's an airplane |
Congrats Jeff!!!
Brian
SLC-UT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 1:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Well... it's an airplane
-->
So today is kinda big..
2 years and 28 days from the first rib to a pink ticket.
the DAR wasn't concerned with the construction much at all because i was
an "A&P and IA".... not that they mean i know how to build a plane but
it made the little visit pleasant..
jeff
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389355#389355
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Well... it's an airplane |
Way to go, Jeff! You are just hours or days away now from the best feeling
in the world.
Let us know how it goes. Are you planning to fly it to Brodhead next
summer?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Well... it's an airplane
So today is kinda big..
2 years and 28 days from the first rib to a pink ticket.
the DAR wasn't concerned with the construction much at all because i was an
"A&P and IA".... not that they mean i know how to build a plane but it made
the little visit pleasant..
jeff
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389355#389355
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Subject: | Re: Well... it's an airplane |
From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
thanks guys..
I have a transponder and a FL-760 radio... so i'm good on the communications...
I flew my 120 out of there for years, it's kinda funny when the airlines have
to hold short for landing traffic and its me in an antique..
i'm looking forward to brodhead and plan to start flying soon..on the warmer days.
jeff
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From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Subject: | a water-cooled something-or-other engine on a Piet |
Thanks to some inadvertent dart-throwing at some of the MANY wonderful Piet
photos that
Chris Tracy has posted for us I ran across this one. I wonder what Joshua
used for an engine.
Water cooled, reduction drive. Subaru? Nice looking plane, cowling, an
d fit and finish!
How many of you have ever seen this one? Chris sure has some gems on hi
s site....I just have
never taken the time to look thru all of them before.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Joshua%20Harel/pictures.htm
[cid:image001.jpg(at)01CDCD9A.C5DDFD90]
[cid:image002.jpg(at)01CDCD9A.C5DDFD90]
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Subject: | Re: Well... it's an airplane |
From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Jeff what fantastic news, congrats!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Nov 28, 2012, at 2:42 PM, "bender" wrote:
>
> So today is kinda big..
> 2 years and 28 days from the first rib to a pink ticket.
> the DAR wasn't concerned with the construction much at all because i was an "A&P
and IA".... not that they mean i know how to build a plane but it made the
little visit pleasant..
>
> jeff
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389355#389355
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/cert_777.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Well... it's an airplane |
From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Congratulations Jeff. Have a beer on me! Hope to see you at Brodhead next
year.
Greg Bacon
NX114D (Mountain Piet)
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Jack wrote:
>
> Jeff what fantastic news, congrats!
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
> On Nov 28, 2012, at 2:42 PM, "bender" wrote:
>
> jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
> >
> > So today is kinda big..
> > 2 years and 28 days from the first rib to a pink ticket.
> > the DAR wasn't concerned with the construction much at all because i was
> an "A&P and IA".... not that they mean i know how to build a plane but it
> made the little visit pleasant..
> >
> > jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389355#389355
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/cert_777.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Greg Bacon
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Well... it's an airplane |
From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Congratulations! Couple of photos please?? Next year Brodhead is going to be
great!!
Gene
On Nov 28, 2012, at 3:42 PM, "bender" wrote:
>
> So today is kinda big..
> 2 years and 28 days from the first rib to a pink ticket.
> the DAR wasn't concerned with the construction much at all because i was an "A&P
and IA".... not that they mean i know how to build a plane but it made the
little visit pleasant..
>
> jeff
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Well... it's an airplane |
From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Brodhead... Brodhead... let's see now; isn't that somewhere by Livermore or Modesto?
Sure, me and Scout can make it!
Jeff, congratulations on achieving a tremendous milestone. It will be a permanent
bookmark in the journal of your life.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: Well... it's an airplane |
That's a fast build!- Good work.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Well... It's an airplane |
From: | woodflier(at)aol.com |
Jeff, congratulations. Can't wait to see the first flight pics/video and se
e it in person at Brodhead next summer.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | Just Two Days Left! - Still Behind... |
Dear Listers,
There are just two more days left in this years List Fund Raiser. Over the last
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We are still behind last year in terms of the number of contributions. I really
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I have been flying my Pietenpol for a month now and am
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Douwe B
Hey-Long time subscriber, zero-time contributor. Just a
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contribute. Thanks for carrying a lightweight for years and
a special thanks for your time and effort.
Billy R
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Noel G
A very useful facility.
Graeme B
..great site!
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Not active but always interested in keeping up. Enjoy
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thanks for hosting the lists.
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Ralph C
The lists and the various contributors have been a great
help while I was building and also now that I'm flying.
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We appreciate your great help!
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Many of our customers have expressed to us that you
provide them with an invaluable service - and we agree!
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I Fly a Quicksilver GT400 but love to read what the Kolb
boys have to say and it was on your list that I found out
about the Yamaha product Ring Free,, now called engine med,
that shit works.. no carbon in my rings or any to speak of
with the use of the Yamaha product with a premix 503 with
over 300 hrs of use.. thanks to your Kolb bulletin board.
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people through information sharing. When I built my
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working without a resource like this list.
Graham H
Thanks for the opportunity to link us all, keep the good work!
Peter B
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From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Congratulations Jeff!!
Absolutely can't wait to see another beautiful Ford go roaring into the
skies! "pockitapockitapockitapockita..."
D
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From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
thanks man
I'll be buzzing your place soon ...
about 50 miles away..?
jeff
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From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
Subject: | a water-cooled something-or-other engine on a Piet |
EA-81 Subaru with belt redrive
Barry
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: a water-cooled something-or-other engine on a Piet
Thanks to some inadvertent dart-throwing at some of the MANY wonderful Piet
photos that
Chris Tracy has posted for us I ran across this one. I wonder what Joshua
used for an engine.
Water cooled, reduction drive. Subaru? Nice looking plane, cowling, and
fit and finish!
How many of you have ever seen this one? Chris sure has some gems on his
site..I just have
never taken the time to look thru all of them before.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Joshua%20Harel/pictures.htm
Description:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Joshua%20Harel/images/N99JH_011_jpg.jpg
Description:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Joshua%20Harel/images/N99JH20002_jpg.jpg
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Subject: | Re: Kind of OT camera question |
From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Awesome... there is nothing quite like flying the Piet on skis. So much fun it
almost makes you forget how cold it is... Almost! I don't have mine on the skis
yet. I'm still enjoying it on wheels. Won't be long for the skis though..
I bought a set of old Jacobsen skis to use on the Chief. Now my dad doesn't
have an excuse to avoid the cold. He will have to fly along with me this winter
in the Chief while I'm in the Piet. Looking forward to it!
Your looks great on the skis!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey Jeff,
Probably more like 75 miles, but I'll meet you wherever you like. I'm
really wanting to ck out Lee Bottom, and my friend owns Crawdaddy private
airstrip in Carrollton, both really nice grass fields.
Douwe
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Subject: | Aerovee Engine Revisited |
From: | "Harvey Plummer" <plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks to all of the input from many of you guys and some additional study, I've
come to the conclusion there are better alternatives to the VW/Aerovee for a
Piet.
Simply. The Aerovee puts out about 125 ft./lbs. of torque and turns a 54" prop
easily. The Continental A-65 puts out about 150 ft./lbs. of torque and the Corvair
about 160 ft./lbs. Both would do a better job of swining a 72" plus prop
and get the necessary thrust required for the Piet.
Does anyone have a torque/HP curve for the Model A Ford?
Any suggestions on the best sources to purchase Model A, A-65 or Corvair?
Thanks for the input.
--------
Harv, 485PB
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From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that always means a couple of things. Its my birthday again;
number 49 actually! But it also means that its that last official day of
the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been thinking about picking up
one of those really nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on it!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
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The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
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From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Aerovee Engine Revisited |
As for the Corvair, the only/best way to start is to visit these two sites:
www.flycorvair.net; www.flycorvair.com. I am glad to see that you have moved
on from the VW. Continental, Corvair, Ford are ALL better choices!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harvey
Plummer
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 6:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aerovee Engine Revisited
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Thanks to all of the input from many of you guys and some additional study,
I've come to the conclusion there are better alternatives to the VW/Aerovee
for a Piet.
Simply. The Aerovee puts out about 125 ft./lbs. of torque and turns a 54"
prop easily. The Continental A-65 puts out about 150 ft./lbs. of torque and
the Corvair about 160 ft./lbs. Both would do a better job of swining a 72"
plus prop and get the necessary thrust required for the Piet.
Does anyone have a torque/HP curve for the Model A Ford?
Any suggestions on the best sources to purchase Model A, A-65 or Corvair?
Thanks for the input.
--------
Harv, 485PB
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From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
Subject: | Tach sensor for Corvair |
Does anyone know the part # and brand of the tooth counter for a Stewart
Warner tach for a Corvair engine. Not the big plastic one, but the small one
about the diameter of a pencil?
Thanks
Barry Davis
NX973BP
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Subject: | Re: Tach sensor for Corvair |
From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
Barry,
Contrex 5800-1412, I believe:
http://www.galco.com/buy/Contrex/5800-1412
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Barry Davis wrote:
> Does anyone know the part # and brand of the tooth counter for a Stewart
> Warner tach for a Corvair engine. Not the big plastic one, but the small
> one about the diameter of a pencil?****
>
> Thanks****
>
> Barry Davis****
>
> NX973BP****
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From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Subject: | Re: Tach sensor for Corvair |
Barry, WW should surely know. He uses a tooth counter all the time.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Davis
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 2:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tach sensor for Corvair
Does anyone know the part # and brand of the tooth counter for a
Stewart Warner tach for a Corvair engine. Not the big plastic one, but
the small one about the diameter of a pencil?
Thanks
Barry Davis
NX973BP
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Subject: | Re: Tach sensor for Corvair |
From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Don' know if its the one you are
Looking for, but, My instructions for
the 82636 SW tach
say to use the 82646 sending unit
I think Summit Racing sells them
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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Subject: | Re: Inspection rings |
From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Gracias Santiago...
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Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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Subject: | Re: Aerovee Engine Revisited |
Hello--
According to a 1930 Ford sales catalog, the "stock" Model A engine had a
peak HP of about 38 and peak torque of about 125 lbs--BUT peak torque was
at about 1200 RPM which is what is important for swinging a direct drive,
big prop. And, of course, most folks pump up the Model A a bit with high
compression heads, B carburetors and intake manifolds, etc.
--Mac in Oregon
>
>
> Thanks to all of the input from many of you guys and some additional
> study, I've come to the conclusion there are better alternatives to the
> VW/Aerovee for a Piet.
>
> Simply. The Aerovee puts out about 125 ft./lbs. of torque and turns a 54"
> prop easily. The Continental A-65 puts out about 150 ft./lbs. of torque
> and the Corvair about 160 ft./lbs. Both would do a better job of swining a
> 72" plus prop and get the necessary thrust required for the Piet.
>
> Does anyone have a torque/HP curve for the Model A Ford?
>
> Any suggestions on the best sources to purchase Model A, A-65 or Corvair?
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
> --------
> Harv, 485PB
>
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Subject: | Re: Piet ski flying |
From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Awesome! Do you know what kind of skis they are?
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Piet Engines - they are everywhere! |
From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Harvey,
Bill Rewey has several (three I think) A65 engines and parts. His number is
608-833-5839. He lives in your neck of the woods, Verona, WI. He also has
spruce and other stuff for sale.
Mitchel Burns, Brookfield, MO has a Corvair with new internal parts, ready
for assembly.
You can also find gobs of small engines, continentals, subarus, corvairs,
lycomings, etc on www.barnstormers.com.
Also, I recommend getting a subscription to the Brodhead Pietenpol
Association newsletter. It's full of great information and folks do
advertise Piet specific parts through it. It's only $20 a year, or $35 for
two years. You can contact them at bpan(at)tds.net.
Cheers!
--
Greg Bacon
NX114D (Mountain Piet)
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From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Piet ski flying |
Isn't this the Piet that was at Old Reinbeck airport? I saw it there a couple of
times when I was in New York on business trips.
Jim B.
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From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
Subject: | Tach sensor for Corvair |
Thanks Ryan, Exactly what I am looking for.
Barry
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tach sensor for Corvair
Barry,
Contrex 5800-1412, I believe:
http://www.galco.com/buy/Contrex/5800-1412
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Barry Davis wrote:
Does anyone know the part # and brand of the tooth counter for a Stewart
Warner tach for a Corvair engine. Not the big plastic one, but the small one
about the diameter of a pencil?
Thanks
Barry Davis
NX973BP
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Subject: | Re: Kind of OT camera question |
From: | "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com> |
I use a GoPro mounted on the outside of my airplane, and a NVidea mounted on the
inside.
This video shows footage from both cameras: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-ubbYZGk1s
Nice thing about the NVidea is that it plugs into your headsets, so you can record
voice. Nice thing about the GoPro is that it's cheaper and has more "stuff",
like an external battery pack.
With either camera, the limiting factor is battery life.
I also bought the remote control for the GoPro, but it doesn't work. There is
a new GoPro3 out now, so maybe they fixed that.
Pat
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Subject: | New Group Member Introduction |
From: | "hdr0614" <hdr0614(at)hotmail.com> |
Good Morning:
I'd like to take the time to introduce myself to the group as a new Pietenpol Air
Camper, builder. I have taken on the last Piet that Len McClain, of West Chester
had started; my local EAA Chapter 321, Reading had informed me of the project,
and the desire of the builder to sell it to someone that would finish
the project. It was through the careful, persistant direction of Paul DiMascio,
I was pointed in the direction of the Piet. Paul, is a Piet owner, and very
experienced builder. We have more then the Piet in common, we have also each
built the Mustang designed by Bob Bushby.
While my knowledge in wood and fabric is limited to helping others, I am positive
with the networking skills I have, I will finish Mr. McClain's Piet as he envisioned
the project.
My Mustang II, N657HR, now flies in Australia; last year, I sold the plane due
to my inability to hold on to my medical. Cancer and the FAA do not play well
together, and it became a huge game of hoops.....the kind each of us have jumped
through at one time in of life. So the LSA arena is where I will finish
out my flying.
Looking forward to meeting each of you at your yearly gathering in Brodhead, WI.
Herb Rose
Sacramento, PA
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HD Rose
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From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | New Group Member Introduction |
Herb,
Welcome to this fine group! I love the idea that you are finishing a
previously started project! We require pictures. Also, what are your
thoughts for a powerplant, landing gear...paint scheme? I hear black &
yellow is popular back east!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of hdr0614
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 7:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Group Member Introduction
Good Morning:
I'd like to take the time to introduce myself to the group as a new
Pietenpol Air Camper, builder. I have taken on the last Piet that Len
McClain, of West Chester had started; my local EAA Chapter 321, Reading had
informed me of the project, and the desire of the builder to sell it to
someone that would finish the project. It was through the careful,
persistant direction of Paul DiMascio, I was pointed in the direction of the
Piet. Paul, is a Piet owner, and very experienced builder. We have more
then the Piet in common, we have also each built the Mustang designed by Bob
Bushby.
While my knowledge in wood and fabric is limited to helping others, I am
positive with the networking skills I have, I will finish Mr. McClain's Piet
as he envisioned the project.
My Mustang II, N657HR, now flies in Australia; last year, I sold the plane
due to my inability to hold on to my medical. Cancer and the FAA do not
play well together, and it became a huge game of hoops.....the kind each of
us have jumped through at one time in of life. So the LSA arena is where I
will finish out my flying.
Looking forward to meeting each of you at your yearly gathering in Brodhead,
WI.
Herb Rose
Sacramento, PA
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HD Rose
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Subject: | Re: New Group Member Introduction |
From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Welcome aboard Herb!
It was great to meet you yesterday-
post up some picts your new project when ya get the chance
Earl
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
Subject: | Re: New Group Member Introduction |
Herb
Welcome to the group. I'm not too far away from you. I try to get to local fly-ins
and such (in the Tornado since the Piet is not done yet). Perhaps I'll see
you at one. Good luck with the project and keep us posted on your progress.
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "hdr0614" <hdr0614(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 10:10:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Group Member Introduction
Good Morning:
I'd like to take the time to introduce myself to the group as a new Pietenpol Air
Camper, builder. I have taken on the last Piet that Len McClain, of West Chester
had started; my local EAA Chapter 321, Reading had informed me of the project,
and the desire of the builder to sell it to someone that would finish the
project. It was through the careful, persistant direction of Paul DiMascio,
I was pointed in the direction of the Piet. Paul, is a Piet owner, and very experienced
builder. We have more then the Piet in common, we have also each built
the Mustang designed by Bob Bushby.
While my knowledge in wood and fabric is limited to helping others, I am positive
with the networking skills I have, I will finish Mr. McClain's Piet as he envisioned
the project.
My Mustang II, N657HR, now flies in Australia; last year, I sold the plane due
to my inability to hold on to my medical. Cancer and the FAA do not play well
together, and it became a huge game of hoops.....the kind each of us have jumped
through at one time in of life. So the LSA arena is where I will finish out
my flying.
Looking forward to meeting each of you at your yearly gathering in Brodhead, WI.
Herb Rose
Sacramento, PA
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HD Rose
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Subject: | Re: Piet ski flying |
From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
That photo is one of the best Piet pictures I've ever seen, and VERY unique! Fabulous.
Ol' 626 has about as close to zero dihedral in the wings as my eyes can discern.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: New Group Member Introduction |
After much coaxing, and a hangar visit this weekend we finally got Herb to
say hello. I met Herb a few years ago while looking for a Tech Counselor to
give my build a look a Herb drove a considerable distance to do that, and
has been a help ever since. It was great seeing him lately and learning of
his new project and now a member of our group.
Herb is a great resource and brings a friendly attitude and high skill
level with him. I am privileged to have known him for as long as I have and
welcome him to the best group of aviation friends I have known. I know Herb
will bring as many answers as he does questions along to the group as he
continues his project. We look forward to having him at Brodhead as soon as he
decides to put tail numbers, names and faces together.
Welcome Herb.
You re gonna love this group and the build process of your new Piet, its a
different group and a different bird than the go fast guys and its not
button pushing either. So welcome to the adventure!
John
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From: | RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: New Group Member Introduction |
Herb, you puttin a 200 horse Lyc on it? haha, I have been a long time
lurker of the group, and have always fancied the idea of owning a Pietenpol.
That is of course if I ever finish MY Mustang!
Boyce
In a message dated 12/2/2012 11:06:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hdr0614(at)hotmail.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "hdr0614"
Good Morning:
I'd like to take the time to introduce myself to the group as a new
Pietenpol Air Camper, builder. I have taken on the last Piet that Len McClain,
of West Chester had started; my local EAA Chapter 321, Reading had informed
me of the project, and the desire of the builder to sell it to someone that
would finish the project. It was through the careful, persistant
direction of Paul DiMascio, I was pointed in the direction of the Piet. Paul,
is a
Piet owner, and very experienced builder. We have more then the Piet in
common, we have also each built the Mustang designed by Bob Bushby.
While my knowledge in wood and fabric is limited to helping others, I am
positive with the networking skills I have, I will finish Mr. McClain's Piet
as he envisioned the project.
My Mustang II, N657HR, now flies in Australia; last year, I sold the plane
due to my inability to hold on to my medical. Cancer and the FAA do not
play well together, and it became a huge game of hoops.....the kind each of
us have jumped through at one time in of life. So the LSA arena is where
I will finish out my flying.
Looking forward to meeting each of you at your yearly gathering in
Brodhead, WI.
Herb Rose
Sacramento, PA
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From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Subject: | Airspeed Indicators |
I'm doing this at the suggestion of Ryan Mueller. I need to aquire an
airspeed indicator in the 0-to-80 or 120 MPH (maximum) range. I have
priced the UMA at Aircraft Spruce at $168.95, the UMA at Chief Aircraft
at $162, and the Falcon at Aircraft Spruce at $158. I just wonder if
anyone on the list has any knowledge of the Falcon gauge. Ryan says he
doesn't know anything about it. All the gauges are available in 0-80
MPH, 0-100 MPH, and 0-120 MPH. Any of you actual Piet pilots have any
comments on any of these gauges? I would appreciate any input. Chuck
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From: | Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: Airspeed Indicators |
Cheap airspeed indicators I have had luck with.=0ACheap altimeters have bee
n hit and miss.=0A=0AAndy Abreu=0A6816L=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________
___________=0A From: C N Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>=0ATo: pietenp
ol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 8:22 PM=0ASubject:
Pietenpol-List: Airspeed Indicators=0A =0A=0A =0AI'm doing this at the sugg
estion of Ryan =0AMueller.- I need to aquire an airspeed indicator in the
0-to-80 or 120 MPH =0A(maximum) range.- I have priced the UMA at Aircraf
t Spruce at $168.95, the =0AUMA at Chief Aircraft at $162, and the Falcon a
t Aircraft Spruce at $158.- =0AI just wonder if anyone on the list has an
y knowledge of the Falcon gauge.- =0ARyan says he doesn't know anything a
bout it.- All the gauges are available =0Ain 0-80 MPH, 0-100 MPH, and 0-1
20 MPH.- Any of you actual Piet pilots have =0Aany comments on any of the
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Subject: | Re: Airspeed Indicators |
From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
I have the same question. Recently on William Wynne's website he said this" Be
aware that low-cost instruments like Falcon have been made in China for the
last 15 years and they are junk. You are far better off buying used stuff that
still has OEM Cessna stickers on it, or some other marking that IDs it as a domestic
product."
John
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Subject: | Re: Airspeed Indicators |
From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
+1 for UMA, they are made in the USA:
http://www.umainstruments.com/
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 7:42 PM, John Francis wrote:
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> I have the same question. Recently on William Wynne's website he said
> this" Be aware that low-cost instruments like =93Falcon=94 have been made
in
> China for the last 15 years and they are junk. You are far better off
> buying used stuff that still has OEM Cessna stickers on it, or some other
> marking that ID=92s it as a domestic product."
>
> John
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From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Well as you know its that time of year once again, do |
I have to tell ya?
It is hardly avoidable that when leaves are frozen to the ground and every
piece of metal is so cold that each you touch sticks to your skin with
little chance of releasing. It a similar bond to that of the West systems
epoxy to wood, you pull it apart and the and the joint remains as the wood fiber
remains on one side or the other. Same thing you pull the metal away and
you're gonna leave some skin on the metal, funny thing about that bond the
metal doesn't sacrifice without a fight and skin always looses.
Now, I'm kinda tired of the winter routine of freezing my donkey off in a
dark cold hangar and accomplishing nothing. The airport as you know is in
the anti heat business and the last time faced with this predicament. They
sent me an eviction letter. It seems that the definition of open flame
escapes their technological comprehension. The thing to remember is they run the
airport so my opinion and or professional expertise come in at a close last
to what they think. Right or wrong they are in charge and so goes the
logic or lack there of.
So I've decided to take Dan Helsper and others at their word and attempt to
carve my prop this winter during the famed and feared one and only
annual, you guessed it, Buildapalooza!!!
Dan and others swear by the process as something that anyone can do. To
remedy the entire freeze your ass off part I'm moving back to my old semi
subterranean shop where the heat works and no airport BS, what a concept, un
bridled, un encumbered work sessions!
Now comes your part. I'm looking for the best prop configuration for a
Lycoming C1B 0235 powered Piet. I'm looking for dimensions and pitch numbers
for best climb performance and any templates and gauges I might be able to
borrow through this process. I have been considering a 72X44 but if there's a
better one out there I would prefer to use that configuration
Naturally I would prefer Dan build it but that's not gonna be a happening
thing. So its back to the basement for warmth and prop construction as we
begin this years BUILDAPALOOZA with prop making under the direction of Dan.
Anyone willing to provide information, time, money , wood, adhesive to the
project or just an entire prop finished and ready to go would be welcomed
and because of my magnanimous personality and generosity you'll even have a
chance to boast about the contribution to my slow moving project.
Well here's hoping that everyone has a great December and makes great
progress much sawdust and remember if its not a BUILDAPALOOZA its just not a
happening thing
Sorry to say the builders block has been significant this year with little
progress and accomplishment. A word to the wise build with great diligence
for the longer it takes the longer it takes.
Be well my friends and thank you in advance for any information
contributions and advice you are willing to offer.
John
Not safe any time anymore, just me!
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From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Here's a promotional video, in support of fund-raising for a new home for the Canadian
Air and Space Museum, which was recently evicted from its home in one
of the old hangars of DeHavilland Canada, where the Chipmunk, Beaver and Otter
were born (among other iconic aircraft).
What does this have to do with Pietenpols, you ask? Well, this video features
actress and Pietenpol owner Michelle Goodeve. There's a bit of footage of her
Piet in flight as well.
Give it a watch, check out the website and contribute, if you feel so inclined.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt1mtkSrhqU&feature=player_embedded
Bill C.
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From: | Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: Airspeed Indicators |
Who really needs an ASI anyway?=C2- Regs say you do, but we should all be
able to fly without any dials and gauges.=C2- Good pilot has a good atti
tude ... right? :)
Andy Abreu
N6186L
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From: John Francis <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airspeed Indicators
Date: Sunday, December 2, 2012, 8:42 PM
I have the same question.=C2- Recently on William Wynne's=C2- website h
e said this" Be aware that low-cost instruments like =9CFalcon
=9D have been made in China for the last 15 years and they are junk. You ar
e far better off buying used stuff that still has OEM Cessna stickers on it
, or some other marking that ID=99s it as a domestic product."
John
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Subject: | Re: GoPro - camera mount infomation |
From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Regarding the goPro cameras, another option I went for (with eventual Piet videos
in mind) is the Replay HD cameras. They are much smaller and in head to head
comparisons, are better picture quality (in my opinion....)
I bought 3 of these for a video shoot I did for a corporate video this summer,
and loved them. They are super simple to mount, as they are cylinders: just snap
into the mount.
The output is 1080p and really crisp... I'm not a rep for them, but they don't
get the name recognition as GoPro has, because they are newer to the market.
Just an FYI for ya'll. Cost the same as the GoPro.
Check out at: http://replayxd.com/product/replay-xd1080-video-camera-system/
Mark
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From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Airspeed Indicators |
That must be why everyone groups their primary flight
instrumentsso they can dutifully ignore them. J
Gary Boothe
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Abreu
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airspeed Indicators
Who really needs an ASI anyway? Regs say you do, but we should all be
able to fly without any dials and gauges. Good pilot has a good
attitude ... right? :)
Andy Abreu
N6186L
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From: John Francis <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airspeed Indicators
Date: Sunday, December 2, 2012, 8:42 PM
I have the same question. Recently on William Wynne's website he said
this" Be aware that low-cost instruments like =9CFalcon=9D
have been made in China for the last 15 years and they are junk. You are
far better off buying used stuff that still has OEM Cessna stickers on
it, or some other marking that ID=99s it as a domestic product."
John
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Subject: | Re: Well as you know its that time of year once again, |
do I have to tell ya?
From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
John,
I'm with you on working in the cold. By brain just shuts down and I find my
self standing there just thinking about one thing.....getting warm. Hopeful
ly the prop carving journey you will find to be very mind opening. This was
the most satisfying part of the whole Piet building process for me for sur
e. I am not really an artist like some in this group, so for me it was real
ly an accomplishment. I am sure you can do it. Good luck!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Subject: | Re: Well as you know its that time of year once again, |
do I have to tell ya?
From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
Sorry for the low quality of this years rant just don't have it in me at the
moment. Enthusiasm is low, holidays and still no job. Things are just not t
hat great these days. All to say, sorry to disappoint ya on the buildapalooz
a rant
I'll keep ya posted if anything changes.
Be well
John
Sent from my iPho
On Dec 3, 2012, at 8:13 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> John,
>
> I'm with you on working in the cold. By brain just shuts down and I find m
yself standing there just thinking about one thing.....getting warm. Hopeful
ly the prop carving journey you will find to be very mind opening. This was t
he most satisfying part of the whole Piet building process for me for sure. I
am not really an artist like some in this group, so for me it was really an
accomplishment. I am sure you can do it. Good luck!!
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Well as you know its that time of year once again, |
do I have to tell ya?
From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
Sorry that wasn't meant for general distribution please disregard
Thanks
John
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 3, 2012, at 9:17 AM, Amsafetyc wrote:
> Sorry for the low quality of this years rant just don't have it in me at t
he moment. Enthusiasm is low, holidays and still no job. Things are just not
that great these days. All to say, sorry to disappoint ya on the buildapalo
oza rant
>
> I'll keep ya posted if anything changes.
>
> Be well
>
> John
>
> Sent from my iPho
>
> On Dec 3, 2012, at 8:13 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> I'm with you on working in the cold. By brain just shuts down and I find m
yself standing there just thinking about one thing.....getting warm. Hopeful
ly the prop carving journey you will find to be very mind opening. This was t
he most satisfying part of the whole Piet building process for me for sure. I
am not really an artist like some in this group, so for me it was really an
accomplishment. I am sure you can do it. Good luck!!
>>
>> Dan Helsper
>> Puryear, TN
>
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Subject: | Re: Well as you know its that time of year once again, |
do I have to tell ya?
From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Yes, John, do try to keep your rants on the upper end of the quality scale.
Gary
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Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 3, 2012, at 6:22 AM, Amsafetyc wrote:
> Sorry that wasn't meant for general distribution please disregard
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 3, 2012, at 9:17 AM, Amsafetyc wrote:
>
>> Sorry for the low quality of this years rant just don't have it in me at t
he moment. Enthusiasm is low, holidays and still no job. Things are just not
that great these days. All to say, sorry to disappoint ya on the buildapalo
oza rant
>>
>> I'll keep ya posted if anything changes.
>>
>> Be well
>>
>> John
>>
>> Sent from my iPho
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2012, at 8:13 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> I'm with you on working in the cold. By brain just shuts down and I find
myself standing there just thinking about one thing.....getting warm. Hopef
ully the prop carving journey you will find to be very mind opening. This wa
s the most satisfying part of the whole Piet building process for me for sur
e. I am not really an artist like some in this group, so for me it was reall
y an accomplishment. I am sure you can do it. Good luck!!
>>>
>>> Dan Helsper
>>> Puryear, TN
>>
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From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
Subject: | Re: Well as you know its that time of year once again, |
do I have to tell ya?
Smile Son. Never disconcert the masses.
-doc-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Dec 3, 2012, at 8:22 AM, Amsafetyc wrote:
> Sorry that wasn't meant for general distribution please disregard
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 3, 2012, at 9:17 AM, Amsafetyc wrote:
>
>> Sorry for the low quality of this years rant just don't have it in me
at the moment. Enthusiasm is low, holidays and still no job. Things are
just not that great these days. All to say, sorry to disappoint ya on
the buildapalooza rant
>>
>> I'll keep ya posted if anything changes.
>>
>> Be well
>>
>> John
>>
>> Sent from my iPho
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2012, at 8:13 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> I'm with you on working in the cold. By brain just shuts down and I
find myself standing there just thinking about one thing.....getting
warm. Hopefully the prop carving journey you will find to be very mind
opening. This was the most satisfying part of the whole Piet building
process for me for sure. I am not really an artist like some in this
group, so for me it was really an accomplishment. I am sure you can do
it. Good luck!!
>>>
>>> Dan Helsper
>>> Puryear, TN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Subject: | Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube Piet... |
From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Hello good Piet-ple,
Just a quick update after a weekend of progress.....
Mike from "Ready Weld" came by Friday and executed more of his magic. My process
is to adapt the design (because so little detail for the steel-tube fuselage
is on the plans) cut, fit, and prepare the parts. I then choose to have a professional
come for the welding. In this way I can enjoy the building, cutting,
fitting aspects of the project and don't run the risk of screwing things up with
my lack of welding skills - just a choice of how I am doing things.
This bellcrank assembly will allow the elevator cables to run on the outside of
the fuselage for more of an olde-timey look.
I adapted a step from a Piper Tomahawk on the left side. I learned to fly on a
Tomahawk (insert derogatory/inflammatory comment here - too bad I LIKED flying
that plane) so I wanted to include a piece of a Tomahawk somehow on my Piet.
The step was the part I chose as I needed a step anyway and the part has seemed
to adapt quite well (IMHO).
The other area I had prepared was the aft fuselage and mounts for the horizontal
tail. Mike did an especially nice welding job in this area.
Having fun in my indoors/heated garage in rainy Seattle......!!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | AN5820-1 turn & bank |
Anybody happen to have a parts diagram or overhaul manual for a Pioneer Ins
truments AN5820-1 vacuum turn & bank? Or anything similar?
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: New Group Member Introduction |
From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
Welcome Herb!
Judging from your picture of the nice Mustang II, you are no doubt already familiar
with Tony Bingeliss books on construction and are well prepared to build
another airplane. First piece of friendly advice is get a hold of a copy of The
Great Waldo Pepper and watch it multiple times. This group has been able to
glean most of lifes answers from that source and familiarity with it will greatly
increase your understanding of answers and comments from them.
Welcome aboard youre gonna love this!
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Subject: | Re: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube Piet... |
From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
Jake,
As you modify the aft portion one suggestion I can offer is to consider some sort
of handle back by the tail. It can be a short piece of tube, or streamlined
material, but without it, the temptation will be to lift the tail by the horizontal
stabilizer when moving on the ground. Just a thought.
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Subject: | Re: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube Piet... |
From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Bill.... yes, I have already made the part (kind of a "u" shaped tube/hoop)
that will be welded back by the tail (aka Piper Cub) but I want to have all
the cables and tail components in place before I determine the exact placement.
I plan to only have one on the left side....
Are you flying yet...!??!?
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Subject: | Re: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube Piet... |
From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
aerocarjake wrote:
> Thanks Bill.... yes, I have already made the part (kind of a "u" shaped tube/hoop)
that will be welded back by the tail (aka Piper Cub) but I want to have
all the cables and tail components in place before I determine the exact placement.
I plan to only have one on the left side....
>
> Are you flying yet...!??!?
I should have figured - but I didn't want you asking why I didn't mention it while
you were building when we're relaxing at a fly-in some day. Looks good BTW.
Plane has been ready for inspection for some time while I fight with the government(s).
Feds misspelled important information on registration and State already
wants money for an airplane that is just parts still. Hope for inspection
later this month. Hasn't been the best aviating WX as I'm sure you know!
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From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
John wrote-
"I'm looking for the best prop configuration for a Lycoming C1B 0235 powered Piet.
I'm looking for dimensions and pitch numbers for best climb performance and
any templates and gauges I might be able to borrow through this process. I have
been considering a 72X44 but if there's a better one out there I would prefer
to use that configuration"
Here's some info from my prop guru:
"The older 7ECA Citabrias used the C1 Series O-235. I would look at what they used
for a prop, then probably go 2" flatter in pitch as the Piet is slightly slower
and draggier than the Citabria (although the 7ECA is pretty much a dog)."
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Got some Piet building done today! |
From: | "Kyle85" <boschkyle(at)hotmail.com> |
Well, 2 years ago I figured I should be half done with my Piet by now...I wish
that were the case. I suppose moving, having MORE kids and changing jobs have
kept me distracted. Part of me wants to say the heck with it and sell the project.(not
that it is much of a project lol) BUT since I was 14 working at an airport
where experimental aviation was very much alive, I vowed that one day I
will build and fly my own airplane. So today I snuck away for a few hours to continue
my quest! Pictures to follow.
-Kyle
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Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete the
flight.
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From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube |
Piet...
We used to call them trauma hawks when I was teaching. (Don't look back at
the tail during a stall.) :0 My dergatory comment. =3B)
Sorry=2C couldn't resesist. Please keep pics coming as I have decided on
a steel fuse.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube
Piet...
> From: flight.jake(at)gmail.com
> Date: Mon=2C 3 Dec 2012 08:33:45 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
m>
>
> Hello good Piet-ple=2C
>
> Just a quick update after a weekend of progress.....
>
> Mike from "Ready Weld" came by Friday and executed more of his magic. My
process is to adapt the design (because so little detail for the steel-tube
fuselage is on the plans) cut=2C fit=2C and prepare the parts. I then choo
se to have a professional come for the welding. In this way I can enjoy the
building=2C cutting=2C fitting aspects of the project and don't run the ri
sk of screwing things up with my lack of welding skills - just a choice of
how I am doing things.
>
> This bellcrank assembly will allow the elevator cables to run on the outs
ide of the fuselage for more of an olde-timey look.
>
> I adapted a step from a Piper Tomahawk on the left side. I learned to fly
on a Tomahawk (insert derogatory/inflammatory comment here - too bad I LIK
ED flying that plane) so I wanted to include a piece of a Tomahawk somehow
on my Piet. The step was the part I chose as I needed a step anyway and the
part has seemed to adapt quite well (IMHO).
>
> The other area I had prepared was the aft fuselage and mounts for the hor
izontal tail. Mike did an especially nice welding job in this area.
>
> Having fun in my indoors/heated garage in rainy Seattle......!!
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator=2C
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK=2C it's just my home)
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube |
Piet...
From: | Aircamperace(at)yahoo.com |
Nice work Doug! I also enjoyed the Tomahawk, got my private in one out of El
yria, it was a great little plane!
Ryan Michals
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 3, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Doug Dever wrote:
> We used to call them trauma hawks when I was teaching. (Don't look back a
t the tail during a stall.) :0 My dergatory comment. ;)
> Sorry, couldn't resesist. Please keep pics coming as I have decided on a
steel fuse.
>
> Doug Dever
> In beautiful Stow Ohio
>
>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tub
e Piet...
> > From: flight.jake(at)gmail.com
> > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 08:33:45 -0800
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >
om>
> >
> > Hello good Piet-ple,
> >
> > Just a quick update after a weekend of progress.....
> >
> > Mike from "Ready Weld" came by Friday and executed more of his magic. My
process is to adapt the design (because so little detail for the steel-tube
fuselage is on the plans) cut, fit, and prepare the parts. I then choose to
have a professional come for the welding. In this way I can enjoy the build
ing, cutting, fitting aspects of the project and don't run the risk of screw
ing things up with my lack of welding skills - just a choice of how I am doi
ng things.
> >
> > This bellcrank assembly will allow the elevator cables to run on the out
side of the fuselage for more of an olde-timey look.
> >
> > I adapted a step from a Piper Tomahawk on the left side. I learned to fl
y on a Tomahawk (insert derogatory/inflammatory comment here - too bad I LIK
ED flying that plane) so I wanted to include a piece of a Tomahawk somehow o
n my Piet. The step was the part I chose as I needed a step anyway and the p
art has seemed to adapt quite well (IMHO).
> >
> > The other area I had prepared was the aft fuselage and mounts for the ho
rizontal tail. Mike did an especially nice welding job in this area.
> >
> > Having fun in my indoors/heated garage in rainy Seattle......!!
> >
> > --------
> > Jake Schultz - curator,
> > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389753#389753
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_bellcrank_welded_373.jpg
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_bellcrank_welded_underside_685.jpg
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/3_horiz_tail_mounts_422.jpg
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_tomahawk_step_131.jpg
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_step_163.jpg
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Subject: | Re: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube |
Piet...
From: | Aircamperace(at)yahoo.com |
I mean Jake! What technique did you use to cope that thin wall tube so nicel
y?
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:14 PM, Aircamperace(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> Nice work Doug! I also enjoyed the Tomahawk, got my private in one out of E
lyria, it was a great little plane!
>
>
> Ryan Michals
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 3, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Doug Dever wrote
:
>
>> We used to call them trauma hawks when I was teaching. (Don't look back a
t the tail during a stall.) :0 My dergatory comment. ;)
>> Sorry, couldn't resesist. Please keep pics coming as I have decided on
a steel fuse.
>>
>> Doug Dever
>> In beautiful Stow Ohio
>>
>>
>> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tu
be Piet...
>> > From: flight.jake(at)gmail.com
>> > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 08:33:45 -0800
>> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> >
com>
>> >
>> > Hello good Piet-ple,
>> >
>> > Just a quick update after a weekend of progress.....
>> >
>> > Mike from "Ready Weld" came by Friday and executed more of his magic. M
y process is to adapt the design (because so little detail for the steel-tub
e fuselage is on the plans) cut, fit, and prepare the parts. I then choose t
o have a professional come for the welding. In this way I can enjoy the buil
ding, cutting, fitting aspects of the project and don't run the risk of scre
wing things up with my lack of welding skills - just a choice of how I am do
ing things.
>> >
>> > This bellcrank assembly will allow the elevator cables to run on the ou
tside of the fuselage for more of an olde-timey look.
>> >
>> > I adapted a step from a Piper Tomahawk on the left side. I learned to f
ly on a Tomahawk (insert derogatory/inflammatory comment here - too bad I LI
KED flying that plane) so I wanted to include a piece of a Tomahawk somehow o
n my Piet. The step was the part I chose as I needed a step anyway and the p
art has seemed to adapt quite well (IMHO).
>> >
>> > The other area I had prepared was the aft fuselage and mounts for the h
orizontal tail. Mike did an especially nice welding job in this area.
>> >
>> > Having fun in my indoors/heated garage in rainy Seattle......!!
>> >
>> > --------
>> > Jake Schultz - curator,
>> > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389753#389753
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> > Attachments:
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>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_bellcrank_welded_373.jpg
>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_bellcrank_welded_underside_685.jpg
>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/3_horiz_tail_mounts_422.jpg
>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_tomahawk_step_131.jpg
>> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_step_163.jpg
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Subject: | Re: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube Piet... |
From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Heaven forbid but I use a Harbor Freight tubing notcher and really good bi-metal
hole saws. I've probably used up a dozen or more bits making all the fish-mouth
cuts so far. Works real well with Tap-a-matic cutting fluid in a spray bottle.....
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Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Subject: | Re: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube Piet... |
From: | "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com> |
Jake your plane is looking great!!! I found a book that is great to use with the
steel fuselage, it shows all the different mounts and pieces you need on a plane,from
engine mounts to landing gear, you name it. It also has most of the
charts you need like an hardware numbers and measurements. The book is Aircraft
Detail Design Manual. It is published by Aviation Publications 217E Washington
St. Appleton,Wisconsin 54912-0357. I think I got it at the EAA museum. I promise
to get some pictures soon.
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Building steel fuselage aircamper.
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Subject: | Re: Got some Piet building done today! |
From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
I encourage you to keep up the passion.... It's been said to do something - no
matter how small - every day and sooner or later it will be done.... It's the
journey that is the best for me - the small gratifying steps along the way.....
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Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Subject: | Re: AN5820-1 turn & bank |
From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Never mind... I sat down with the box full of parts and started figuring them out.
Turns out that there's only one way the instrument can go back together ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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From: | Bkemike <bkemike(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube |
Piet...
The Cutting oil is a great tip, Jake. I also use the HF notcher; I had to do some
shimming initially to get the cutter axis and tube axis to line up. Finding
smaller cutters was a little difficult; I had to order 5/8 online. Home Depot
didn't have anything smaller than 3/4. I use a cheap end mill for 1/2.
Mike Hardaway
Sent from an Apple iThingie.
On Dec 3, 2012, at 6:17 PM, "aerocarjake" wrote:
>
> Heaven forbid but I use a Harbor Freight tubing notcher and really good bi-metal
hole saws. I've probably used up a dozen or more bits making all the fish-mouth
cuts so far. Works real well with Tap-a-matic cutting fluid in a spray bottle.....
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
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From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Subject: | AN pipe and flair fittings |
Planning my fuels system (so many details-parts) is it best to use the AN
aluminum or steel fittings?
Thanks,
Jack
Jack Textor
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Subject: | Re: AN pipe and flair fittings |
From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Brass.
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 4, 2012, at 7:33 AM, "Jack" wrote:
> Planning my fuels system (so many details-parts) is it best to use the AN a
luminum or steel fittings?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack
>
> Jack Textor
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | AN pipe and flair fittings |
The fittings should be matched to the fuel line materials. If you are
using
aluminum tubing, use aluminum fittings. Be sure if using flared
fittings
that your flaring tool makes a 37=B0 aircraft flare, rather than the
45=B0 flare
used in automotive applications. Flared fittings should not need any
sealant. Pipe thread fittings, on the other hand, will leak without
some
kind of treatment of the threads. DO NOT USE Teflon or pipe dope '
they can
get loose and clog your fuel system. The best stuff I=92ve found is
called
Seal Lube. You can get it from ACS. A can is a lifetime supply.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/sealube.php
Good luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 7:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: AN pipe and flair fittings
Planning my fuels system (so many details-parts) is it best to use the
AN
aluminum or steel fittings?
Thanks,
Jack
Jack Textor
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Subject: | Re: AN pipe and flair fittings |
From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jack,
If you choose aluminum flared fittings, these seals work great. I replace t
hese every time I disconnect/reconnect. No leaks!
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/search/search.php?s=flare+seal&x=0&y=0
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 6:52 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: AN pipe and flair fittings
The fittings should be matched to the fuelline materials. If you are using
aluminum tubing, use aluminum fittings. Besure if using flared fittings t
hat your flaring tool makes a 37=C2=B0 aircraftflare, rather than the 45=C2
=B0 flare used in automotive applications. Flaredfittings should not need
any sealant. Pipe thread fittings, on the other hand,will leak without som
e kind of treatment of the threads. DO NOT USE Teflon orpipe dope
=93 they can get loose and clog your fuel system. The best stuffI=99
ve found is called Seal Lube. You can get it from ACS. A can is alifetime
supply. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/sealube.php
Good luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-
server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 20127:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: AN pipeand flair fittings
Planningmy fuels system (so many details-parts) is it best to use the AN al
uminum orsteel fittings?
Thanks,
Jack
Jack Textor
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Subject: | Re: AN pipe and flair fittings |
From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Thanks guys! Using 3/8 aluminum so will go with aluminum. Boy that sealant i
s pricy but looks like a good option. The seals look good too. Planning a ve
ry simple system, even so, lots of parts and details!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Dec 4, 2012, at 6:29 AM, "Jack" wrote:
> Planning my fuels system (so many details-parts) is it best to use the AN a
luminum or steel fittings?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack
>
> Jack Textor
>
>
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>
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Dec 4, 2012, at 6:29 AM, "Jack" wrote:
> Planning my fuels system (so many details-parts) is it best to use the AN a
luminum or steel fittings?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack
>
> Jack Textor
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Subject: | Re: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube Piet... |
From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks, I'll look up that book...
I buy the hole saws at a place called Tacoma Screw. They specialize in fasteners
(no aircraft) and contractor/industrial supplies....
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Subject: | Airlion flies again |
From: | Gardiner Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com> |
Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies
great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a
member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians
(www.ufopilots.org<http://www.ufopilots.org>)
for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday.
-Gardiner Mason
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Airlion flies again |
Outstanding, Gardiner! Looks good as ever!
Will you be bringing it to Brodhead this summer?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gardiner
Mason
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 5:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again
Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies
great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a
member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org
<http://www.ufopilots.org> ) for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after
their 80th birthday.
-Gardiner Mason
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Subject: | Re: Airlion flies again |
From: | Robert Bush <rbush96589(at)aol.com> |
Congratulations Gardiner. Glad to see you back in the air. The plane looks g
reat!
Randy Bush
NX294RB
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 4, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Gardiner Mason wrote:
> Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies g
reat and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a mem
ber of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org) for old g
eezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday.
>
> -Gardiner Mason
>
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Subject: | Re: Airlion flies again |
From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Beautiful, Gardiner! Love the colors...and the louvers!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 4, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Gardiner Mason wrote:
> Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies g
reat and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a mem
ber of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org) for old g
eezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday.
>
> -Gardiner Mason
>
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From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Subject: | Re: Airlion flies again |
Congrats, Gardiner. I hope to be able to join the UFO this coming
summer. I had a mild heart attack in 1990 and voluntarily "lost" my
medical. So I have never been turned down for a medical. Haven't flown
as PIC since. Piet NX10003 should be ready by summer time. I'll get a
friend who owns a T-Craft and who holds his instructors rating give me a
new BFR to catch me up and then I'll be ready to join the UFO. Don't
have any idea how many flights and hours that will take. Just have to
wait and see. Can't wait to put full power on the Corvair and go
flying. Chills run up my spine just thinking of it. When people see my
project they say, "Are you going to fly it?" And I reply, "Has a cat
got a long tail?" I have just about everything except the covering
supplies to finish up. Just a matter of time. Again, congratulations.
Chuck
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From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 5:53 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again
Outstanding, Gardiner! Looks good as ever!
Will you be bringing it to Brodhead this summer?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gardiner
Mason
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 5:47 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again
Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It
flies great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I
am now a member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians
(www.ufopilots.org) for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their
80th birthday.
-Gardiner Mason
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Airlion flies again |
Hi Gardiner,
Congratulations on having your Piet in the air again and also for joining the UFO's!!!
Your Piet looks good; I don't see color real well but to me it looks blue with
orange wings and hor.stabilizer, is that right?
The way I'm going I will be a member of the UFO's before I get my PIet flying.
Cheers,
Jim B.
]
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Subject: | One piece wing and fuselage hauling. |
From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Finally got our Piet back home. Pondered how to move the one piece wing endlessly
until we found the perfect trailer sitting in the weeds at a friend's house.
It's made from a 32' bumper towed camper. I've seen similar usable units for sale
bunches of times over the years for under a grand. Pretty certain if you
found a total junker you could get it for $500 or less. That's more than the
average scrap value of one that sized, and probably far less than you could buy
the axles ($200 ea new) hubs, tires, metal and decking.
The basic trailer is exactly the chord of the wing (5') and about 32' after the
tongue. I designed a specialized sawhorse and method of loading not requiring
any lifting equipment to get the fuselage over the wing (as the wheel spacing
won't straddle it) so that tongue weight can be optimized.
Since we used a one ton dually, the 600lbs of tongue weight we had wasn't a problem,
so I never got around to building the sawhorse.
A similar but less heavy duty sawhorse would also secure the tail, although the
method we wound up using worked really really well.
The rig made the 400 mile trip with nothing moving, requiring rerigging or getting
damaged at all.
The wing is set on several large tarps for cushioning and the ratchet straps are
run diagonally which spread out the downforce very effectively.
Four guys got the wing off effortlessly and set it on the trailer. We then took
the trailer off the truck and and rolled the fuse on from the front of the trailer
using the 3' or so extra deck space. Without tail feathers or the wing,
it's about perfectly neutral on the axle. We used scrap 2x6's to bock the wheels.
It took 4 guys about an hour to load it all up, then Scott and I spent
another three strapping it all down (figuring the plan as we went). I imagine
we could do it now in about two hours total. No lifting equipment was required
at all.
At normal interstate speeds, nothing shook, rattled or rolled, it all worked out
really well.
We just borrowed the trailer, but think we're going to be able to buy it, if anyone
needs to borrow it to retrieve a plane or move a one piece wing. If the
fuse were centered on the trailer (over the wing) a ANY half ton truck could move
the unit easily.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389856#389856
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Subject: | Re: Airlion flies again |
From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Congratulations Mr. Mason!! Airlion looks great. I've got her photo as my
desktop.
Greg Bacon
NX114D (Mountain Piet)
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Gardiner Mason wrote:
> Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies
> great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a
> member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org<http://www.ufopilots.org>)
> for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday.
>
> -Gardiner Mason
>
--
Greg Bacon
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Subject: | Re: Airlion flies again |
Gardiner--
It is great to see your plane back together again! Congratulations.
--Mac in Oregon
> Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies
> great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a
> member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians
> (www.ufopilots.org<http://www.ufopilots.org>)
> for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday.
>
> -Gardiner Mason
>
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From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
Subject: | Re: Airlion flies again |
Way to go Gardiner! Hope to see you at Brodhead this summer!
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
>
>
>
>> Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies
>> great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a
>> member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians
>> (www.ufopilots.org<http://www.ufopilots.org>)
>> for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday.
>>
>> -Gardiner Mason
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Please don't tell us that Julie has never seen "The Movie"....
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389870#389870
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Subject: | Re: Airlion flies again |
From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Way to go Gardiner! Love the way the sun shines through the orange wings. P
erseverance pays off once again!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gardiner Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 4:49 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again
Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies gr
eat and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a mem
ber of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org) for old
geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday.
-Gardiner Mason
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Subject: | Airlion flies again |
Gardiner what fantastic accomplishments!
Congratulations!
Jack Textor
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gardiner
Mason
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 4:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again
Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies
great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a
member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org
<http://www.ufopilots.org> ) for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after
their 80th birthday.
-Gardiner Mason
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: One piece wing and fuselage hauling. |
From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Tools,
Thanks for that post with the info and pics. One of my recurring nightmares
is "landing out" and trying to figure out how to move it all with the one-
piece wing. I will be on the lookout for one of those trailers. I live in t
he right place these days to look for that kind of stuff. A lot of good use
ful "junk" around these parts.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Subject: | Re: Airlion flies again |
From: | "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello Gardiner; just sent you an email, but figured others would want to know the
following also. is the gauge hanging from your center section a fuel gauge
or compass? if a fuel gauge, would love to find out your setup. thanks; Paul
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389879#389879
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Subject: | Re: Airlion flies again |
From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Congratulations Gardiner!
She looks great!
Earl
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389882#389882
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From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
My hat's off to you Gardiner! Takes backbone to rebuild one.
Douwe
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: AN pipe and flair fittings |
Those seals...sometimes known as conical seas or voyshams, are great and work very
well. Here at work, we are getting away from the AN flare type connection
all together, but for the systems that still use these fittings, the copper AN
flare seals are a life saver.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: Airlion flies again |
That is very cool. I like the UFO thingy...I hope to be a member someday!
- Congratulations.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com=0A
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: AN pipe and flair fittings |
...make that conical seals...
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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From: | Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: Airlion flies again |
Congrats on the rebuild and the UFO part.=0AMany happy Landings (and parkin
g)=0A-=0AHans=0A-=0ANX15KV- =0A=0A________________________________=0A
From: Gardiner Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.c
om =0ASent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 4:46 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Ai
rlion flies again=0A =0A=0AToday I flew the Airlion after a year and a hal
f of rebuilding. It flies great and now I can paint a smiley face back on t
he nose. Also I am now a member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians
(www.ufopilots.org) for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80
th birthday. =0A=0A-Gardiner Mason
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Airlion flies again |
From: | Gardiner Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com> |
It is a compass and my fuel gage is up there also. It is a capacitance gage
that fits flush, and seen from my seat. Gardiner
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:24 AM, nightmare wrote:
> pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
>
> Hello Gardiner; just sent you an email, but figured others would want to
> know the following also. is the gauge hanging from your center section a
> fuel gauge or compass? if a fuel gauge, would love to find out your setup.
> thanks; Paul
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389879#389879
>
>
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Subject: | RE: Airlion Flies Again |
From: | woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com> |
That's great news, Gardiner! I have a hard time imagining how you and Douwe
sucked it up to rebuild after having built the airplane once already. My e
xperience at Oshkosh last year having only to rebuild the left elevator gav
e me some insight, but that was colored by the urgency of getting it finish
ed so I could fly home. Keeping that motivation - gotta be hard! Can't wait
to see it in person.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
Fairfield, VA
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: One piece wing and fuselage hauling. |
From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
Congrats on getting her back home. Hopefully you can get her back in the
air in time for a sojourn to Brodhead next summer.
Just curious, as it's hard to tell for sure from the angles of the
shots....what's the status of the aft part of the fuselage? It appears that
the last, say 12 inches, is "bent" downward; I know, wood would be broken,
not bent....just as far as a description though. Hope the repairs go well,
Ryan
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 7:23 PM, tools wrote:
>
> Finally got our Piet back home. Pondered how to move the one piece wing
> endlessly until we found the perfect trailer sitting in the weeds at a
> friend's house.
>
> It's made from a 32' bumper towed camper. I've seen similar usable units
> for sale bunches of times over the years for under a grand. Pretty certain
> if you found a total junker you could get it for $500 or less. That's more
> than the average scrap value of one that sized, and probably far less than
> you could buy the axles ($200 ea new) hubs, tires, metal and decking.
>
> The basic trailer is exactly the chord of the wing (5') and about 32'
> after the tongue. I designed a specialized sawhorse and method of loading
> not requiring any lifting equipment to get the fuselage over the wing (as
> the wheel spacing won't straddle it) so that tongue weight can be optimized.
>
> Since we used a one ton dually, the 600lbs of tongue weight we had wasn't
> a problem, so I never got around to building the sawhorse.
>
> A similar but less heavy duty sawhorse would also secure the tail,
> although the method we wound up using worked really really well.
>
> The rig made the 400 mile trip with nothing moving, requiring rerigging or
> getting damaged at all.
>
> The wing is set on several large tarps for cushioning and the ratchet
> straps are run diagonally which spread out the downforce very effectively.
>
>
> Four guys got the wing off effortlessly and set it on the trailer. We
> then took the trailer off the truck and and rolled the fuse on from the
> front of the trailer using the 3' or so extra deck space. Without tail
> feathers or the wing, it's about perfectly neutral on the axle. We used
> scrap 2x6's to bock the wheels. It took 4 guys about an hour to load it
> all up, then Scott and I spent another three strapping it all down
> (figuring the plan as we went). I imagine we could do it now in about two
> hours total. No lifting equipment was required at all.
>
> At normal interstate speeds, nothing shook, rattled or rolled, it all
> worked out really well.
>
> We just borrowed the trailer, but think we're going to be able to buy it,
> if anyone needs to borrow it to retrieve a plane or move a one piece wing.
> If the fuse were centered on the trailer (over the wing) a ANY half ton
> truck could move the unit easily.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389856#389856
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Airlion flies again |
Beautiful Job,Gardner
John
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From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
The tragedy of "everyone dying" is a little hard to ignore. Because of that I
don't think my wife will ever watch it again. And it is a little hard to explain
to the kids the "someone get me a 2 by 4 scene" and then expect them to go
hop in the Piet and go for a ride. Come to think of it, it is kind of a 'dark'
movie and not very good. But for some reason because of all you Piet guys I
want to watch it over and over!
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389921#389921
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From: | "Allan Macklem" <awmacklem(at)cox.net> |
Subject: | Re: Airlion flies again |
Gardner, really nice job. I'm curious about the fuel gauge. I assume a
capacitance gauge measures capacity of the tank (however that is done). I
assume that with two gauges one could measure two tanks. I like the idea of
fuel gauges fitting flush on the wing center, yet visible from the cockpit.
Can you please let me know the brand and source for these gauges?
Allan Macklem
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gardiner
Mason
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airlion flies again
It is a compass and my fuel gage is up there also. It is a capacitance gage
that fits flush, and seen from my seat. Gardiner
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:24 AM, nightmare
wrote:
Hello Gardiner; just sent you an email, but figured others would want to
know the following also. is the gauge hanging from your center section a
fuel gauge or compass? if a fuel gauge, would love to find out your setup.
thanks; Paul
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Subject: | Think Ahead Builders |
From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Just a reminder, don't rush, measure, think ahead, plan. Just redid my fuel selector.
Was proud of the install until I realized after drawing out my fuel system
it was on the wrong side. Moved to the port side and all is good. So many
interesting details at this stage of the build.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Think Ahead Builders |
From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
That's why I have two water temp. gauges. The first one I installed on the
"cold" side of the radiator. Duh. I left it there cause it was cool looking
. Now I tell everybody I have two so's I can see the beta of the water temp
. :O)
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:35 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Think Ahead Builders
Just a reminder, don't rush, measure, think ahead, plan. Just redid my fuel
selector. Was proud of the install until I realized after drawing out my fu
el
system it was on the wrong side. Moved to the port side and all is good. So
many
interesting details at this stage of the build.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
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From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Subject: | Think Ahead Builders |
Well here I go again... Jerry Grogan let me use his big oven to powder coat
my gear legs, thanks Jerry! Just realized I still need to weld the mounts
for brakes!
Jack Textor
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 7:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Think Ahead Builders
Just a reminder, don't rush, measure, think ahead, plan. Just redid my fuel
selector. Was proud of the install until I realized after drawing out my
fuel system it was on the wrong side. Moved to the port side and all is
good. So many interesting details at this stage of the build.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
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Subject: | Re: Think Ahead Builders |
From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
You're the only one who's made that mistake, Jack...
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of hangars
that will be constructed this spring.
It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It will
have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. We are
working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, etc?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice...
Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water
from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and
making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile
the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find
a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that,
somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
-->
Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
hangars that will be constructed this spring.
It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It
will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it.
We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors,
etc?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It
was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long
time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built.
Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too
many outlets.
Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your
decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of
snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more
quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is
the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off
the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the
west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any
snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the
hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a
gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the
removal of the snow berm as it begins to form.
Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet.
In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the
hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn
heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the
outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my
work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more
effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd
like.
Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice...
>
> Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water
> from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and
> making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile
> the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find
> a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that,
> somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
> Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
>
> -->
>
>
> Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
> hangars that will be constructed this spring.
> It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It
> will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it.
> We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
>
> I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
>
> Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors,
> etc?
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
Having a hangar in Texas the best feature is proper insultation to keep the
summer heat out.=0ASecondly door or windows oposing the main hangar door t
o get cross flow cooling by opening them up.=0AFans as back up, I use small
portable fans, but planning to build a large ceiling fan.=0A-=0ASeal the
doors-to keep critters and snakes out.=0A-=0AThe rest depends on-wha
t you use your hangar for, storing aircraft or building one.=0A-=0AIf you
build one, -you never have enough power outlets, have 4 on each wall and
still not enough.=0ACompressed air system with proper 220V Compressor=0AMo
re Lights, specially above work space.=0A-=0AOther must haves:=0AChairs t
o sit on=0AFridge to keep the Beer cool=0ABBQ to burn some meat=0A-=0AHav
e fun=0A-=0AHans=0ANX15KV- =0A=0A________________________________=0A Fr
om: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" =0ATo:
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 9:57 AM=0A
Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar=0A =0A--> Pietenpol-List message
posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
=0A=0A=0ACould I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new se
t of hangars that will be constructed this spring. =0AIt will be 40 x 32 wi
th side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It will have one elect
box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. We are working on a
septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. =0A=0AI will be like many guys.
My hangar will be worth more than my plane. =0A=0AAny advice on what to do?
IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, etc? =0A=0ABlue Skies,=0A
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
From: | "Pilot78" <wings.wheels29(at)yahoo.com> |
Steve,
You will definitely want more outlets, you can never have enough. Also good lighting
and some sort of heat for the winters, and fans for the summer. When I
purchase my hangar it was insulated, had good HO lighting, natural gas heat, and
a bathroom. I added many more outlets, along with pull-downs from the ceiling.
I also did epoxy floor coating and added a Town-home style apartment on the
back side of the hangar. I love living at the airport and the wife does too.
My next hangar improvement will be air-conditioning for the work area of the
shop.. Today its cold and rainy with snow on the way, I can kick on the heat,
turn on the big lights and work till midnight in a t-shirt, then go in take
a shower, go up stairs turn on the TV, kiss the wife and then go to bed. Life
is good.
Brian
SLC-UT
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Subject: | Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
I want to know how do you finish the wing border (3 piece wing) aside the center
section. If you have any photos .. best. I think close it with plywood, but
it is necesary?.. I am thinking in how to cover or not this side.
thank you
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Second the motion about the lights and outlets. Never have too many. I put a
double box (2 normal house type outlets, 4 plugs total) about every 6 feet and
that is almost not enough in some places. Don't forget the 220 outlets for things
like welders, compressors, etc and the fact that the heater, if you have
one, will need its own dedicated circuit. My hangar in Maine has the tubing
in the concrete floor for radiant heat. Haven't hooked it up yet but the guys
that did the same, LOVE it. The incremental cost of the tubing was very small
in comparison to the ease of operation and efficiency.
I think current electrical code requires vapor-tight lights and they ain't cheap.
Check with your local electrician. I put 12 of the 2 tube 4 foot fixtures
in my hangar (same size as yours) and it's about right. Also have a couple cheapos
on plug in cords over the work bench. That IS enough.
Dave
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
You guys are making me jealous. A friend of mine asked me to do some checking to
find out what it would take to put a grass strip and hangar on land in my county.
County ordinance requires-
-50 acre minimum
-no more than one hangar and 3 airplanes - ever
-a grass strip including lateral clear space 200 feet on each side of centerline
(400 feet wide) by 2500 feet long with 400 feet of over run and underrun (at
each end) totalling 3300 linear feet. I will do the math for you- that is 30
ACRES OF RUNWAY AREA! Unbelievable for a guy wanting to put a Piet in his backyard!
And that doesn't count the restrictions from other homes. Again - unbelievable!
You guys are lucky indeed to have a hangar. I know it may not be where you live
(except Brian), but you are lucky (blessed) nonetheless to have your own hangar.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
There's no such thing as too much light or too many electrical outlets. As
long as you have water and septic, might as well put in a toilet, and maybe
even a shower. You never know when the wife might turn "Loreena Bobbitt" on
you and you'll need a place to stay
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Where for the next several months we are actually living in our hangar
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Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
hangars that will be constructed this spring.
It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It
will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it.
We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors,
etc?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
One more thing.... Before you move all your crap in, paint the floor with the
good 2 part stuff. I've used Sherwin Williams on a garage and the hangar and
the only way to get it off is with a chisel. I've spilled every liquid you can
buy at Home Depot or AutoZone (MEK, dot 3 brake fluid, oil, gasoline, acetone,
toluene, etc) and nothing touches it. The trick is to get the good stuff and
it isn't cheap. I think the new name for it is Armor Seal Floorthane T-1000
or something similar. It's in the industrial catalog so you'll need to corral
the one guy who knows where to find it. Runs $100+ a gallon but you only do
it once. Prep according to the instructions or you WILL do it twice. Been
on the floor of my garage for 10 years looks as good as when I put it down.
I hope you enjoy all of us kibitzers. We do mean well....
Dave
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Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
most guys will install metal farings that can be removed for inspection purposes
or wing removal. I chose to just cover mine with fabric and call it a day.
I figure that if I ever need to remove the wings, I will just cut the fabric and
replace it later. Perhaps there are pics on the west coast Piet site. There
is a lot to see there.
Good luck,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Boys,
There are huge advantages to living in the "backwoods" of N.W. Tennessee. W
e do what we want with our own property. No restrictions whatsoever on putt
ing a grass strip on your own property. NO building permits required for an
ything under 5000 sq. ft. A funny story was related to me by a member of o
ur local EAA chapter. He was living in CA and wanted to move here. He calle
d the State of TN Department of Aviation with a question. "What does one ha
ve to do to put in a grass strip on his own property"?. The boy on the othe
r end said "Well,....usually they start off with a bulldozer....."
Love it here!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 12:50 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar
ail.com>
You guys are making me jealous. A friend of mine asked me to do some checki
ng to
find out what it would take to put a grass strip and hangar on land in my
county. County ordinance requires-
-50 acre minimum
-no more than one hangar and 3 airplanes - ever
-a grass strip including lateral clear space 200 feet on each side of cente
rline
(400 feet wide) by 2500 feet long with 400 feet of over run and underrun (a
t
each end) totalling 3300 linear feet. I will do the math for you- that is 3
0
ACRES OF RUNWAY AREA! Unbelievable for a guy wanting to put a Piet in his
backyard!
And that doesn't count the restrictions from other homes. Again - unbelieva
ble!
You guys are lucky indeed to have a hangar. I know it may not be where you
live
(except Brian), but you are lucky (blessed) nonetheless to have your own ha
ngar.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
In nonurban Texas. 10 acres is required for a runway for my vtail. 100 ft wide
by a half mile long.
ok if it is in west Texas you can cut the width inhalf so 5 acres. but no one wants
to sell me a 50 ft wide strip of land.
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 17:24
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar
>
> Boys,
>
> There are huge advantages to living in the "backwoods" of N.W.
> Tennessee. We do what we want with our own property. No
> restrictions whatsoever on putting a grass strip on your own
> property. NO building permits required for anything under 5000 sq.
> ft. A funny story was related to me by a member of our local EAA
> chapter. He was living in CA and wanted to move here. He called the
> State of TN Department of Aviation with a question. "What does one
> have to do to put in a grass strip on his own property"?. The boy
> on the other end said "Well,....usually they start off with a
> bulldozer....."
> Love it here!
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jarheadpilot82 <
> To: pietenpol-list <
> Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 12:50 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar
>
>
>
> You guys are making me jealous. A friend of mine asked me to do some checking
to
> find out what it would take to put a grass strip and hangar on land in my
> county. County ordinance requires-
>
> -50 acre minimum
> -no more than one hangar and 3 airplanes - ever
> -a grass strip including lateral clear space 200 feet on each side of centerline
> (400 feet wide) by 2500 feet long with 400 feet of over run and underrun (at
> each end) totalling 3300 linear feet. I will do the math for you- that is 30
> ACRES OF RUNWAY AREA! Unbelievable for a guy wanting to put a Piet in his
> backyard!
>
> And that doesn't count the restrictions from other homes. Again - unbelievable!
>
> You guys are lucky indeed to have a hangar. I know it may not be where you live
> (except Brian), but you are lucky (blessed) nonetheless to have your own hangar.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389969#389969
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
That is classic!! That is what I grew up with in Georgia. In Virginia, t
he way you start is "NO"...
Gene
On Dec 6, 2012, at 6:18 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Boys,
>
> There are huge advantages to living in the "backwoods" of N.W. Tennessee. W
e do what we want with our own property. No restrictions whatsoever on putti
ng a grass strip on your own property. NO building permits required for anyt
hing under 5000 sq. ft. A funny story was related to me by a member of our l
ocal EAA chapter. He was living in CA and wanted to move here. He called the
State of TN Department of Aviation with a question. "What does one have to d
o to put in a grass strip on his own property"?. The boy on the other end sa
id "Well,....usually they start off with a bulldozer....."
>
> Love it here!
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 12:50 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar
>
mail.com>
>
> You guys are making me jealous. A friend of mine asked me to do some check
ing to
> find out what it would take to put a grass strip and hangar on land in my
> county. County ordinance requires-
>
> -50 acre minimum
> -no more than one hangar and 3 airplanes - ever
> -a grass strip including lateral clear space 200 feet on each side of cent
erline
> (400 feet wide) by 2500 feet long with 400 feet of over run and underrun (
at
> each end) totalling 3300 linear feet. I will do the math for you- that is 3
0
> ACRES OF RUNWAY AREA! Unbelievable for a guy wanting to put a Piet in his
> backyard!
>
> And that doesn't count the restrictions from other homes. Again - unbeliev
able!
>
> You guys are lucky indeed to have a hangar. I know it may not be where you
live
> (except Brian), but you are lucky (blessed) nonetheless to have your own h
angar.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
From: | Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com> |
I am nearly overcome with a sudden urge to move to Tennessee.
Andrew Eldredge
Provo, UT
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:
> g in the "backwoods" of N.W. Tennessee. We do what we want with our own
> property. No restrictions whatsoever on putting a grass strip on your own
> property. NO building permits required for anything under 5000 sq. ft. A
> funny story was related to me by a member of our local EAA chapter. He was
> living in CA and wanted to move here.
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve;
You saw what Randy, Craig, and I had at 8T8. I echo most of the sentiments from
the others, and emphasize the following, if you'll only be there during fun
times and not spending whole days at a time:
-we always got grass clippings, dust, and driving rain in under the hangar doors
until we installed some hanging-down carpet strips on the bottom of the doors.
We kept some long boards handy, "weather boards", to anchor the strips to
the floor when driving storms were expected from the direction of the hangar doors.
You don't want water in your hangar.
-the hangars that adjoined ours didn't have any protection from driving rain in
under the doors of their hangars, so if it got into their hangars, it got into
ours. Good insurance to find discarded pallets to stack stuff on in case water
gets in. Water is not good for most things that we keep in hangars.
-you will never have enough plugs. I had a 25 ft. cord reel that I never installed
but it would have been very, very handy. You always need power around the
hangar.
-go vertical with stuff. Most hangars have high walls and ceilings, so go vertical
or you'll waste all the volume in the upper reaches of your hangar.
-Randy applied a nice garage floor coating on the hangar floor when he got it,
and it is great to always have a durable, clean, attractive floor. The Lowe's
type stuff goes on pretty easy. If the floor is handsome, you'll tend to keep
the place cleaner.
-you can never have too much light in a hangar, but it will never be in the right
place ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
Subject: | forming u shaped brackets |
I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets
which hold the center section. I cannot get enough bend in the second bend
to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend a
fter the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense). I tried plac
ing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but as
close as I get=2C I'm not happy with the result. The bend is just too loos
e. Any suggestions?
Tom B.
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From: | "Brett Phillips" <bphillip(at)shentel.net> |
Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
To the original poster: Whatever you do, don=99t buy the whole
field. Just buy the hangar if you want to have time to build and fly.
If you end up with the whole field, you may find that you become less an
aviator, and more an agriculturalist. Be careful, I speak from
experience.
Gene: That=99s because you live on the wrong side of the
mountain! Out here in the Shenandoah Valley, we still have a few
freedoms (at least until the city folks find out).
Brett Phillips
Working on a model A in Strasburg, VA, about 15 miles east of West By
God Virginia.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar
That is classic!! That is what I grew up with in Georgia. In
Virginia, the way you start is "NO"...
Gene
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From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: forming u shaped brackets |
Steel bar stock is your friend.
Bar stock, a little clamping creativity and a soft-faced, dead blow
hammer is a low cost way bend metal.
Greg Cardinal
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From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 8:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets
I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped
brackets which hold the center section. I cannot get enough bend in the
second bend to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a
10 deg bend after the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes
sense). I tried placing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and
pounding it over but as close as I get, I'm not happy with the result.
The bend is just too loose. Any suggestions?
Tom B.
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From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Subject: | forming u shaped brackets |
Tom
Like Greg said, find two pieces of bar stock . I used some 1/4 inch x 1.5
inch x 6 inch bar scrap I found at a local metal dealer (much cheaper than
Home Depot Aircraft Supply). Clamp one end in the vice and use big C clamp
on the other end to clamp the piece between them. Then bend the steel
fitting. It might twist while beating so just reset it in the vice. I
didn't have a soft hammer so I used a block of hardwood between the hammer
and the steel.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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BRANT
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 6:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets
I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets
which hold the center section. I cannot get enough bend in the second bend
to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend
after the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense). I tried
placing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but
as close as I get, I'm not happy with the result. The bend is just too
loose. Any suggestions?
Tom B.
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From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | forming u shaped brackets |
I had to make some "U" bends in .090 4130 for some aileron hinges on the Ju
ngster 1 I am building, and they were a pain in the butt.- They were made
out of 2 in strips, and the short leg was only 1 inch, and long leg about
2.5 in deep.- I went to the hardware store and bought 1 inch keystock, I
radiused the corners and used the key stock as a male die.- I cut the bla
nks a little long, and pressed with my bottle jack press, the key stock bet
ween a female die made of oak boards.- This was a pretty good way of bend
ing the steel, it was bent cold.- I still had to do a little bit of finis
hing with a hammer and vise to get the bottom of the "U" flat.- I did hav
e 2 or 3 oh $h1T moments when the key stock flew across the shop at mach 2
when it slipped out of the press under 20 tons of force, but luckily it did
not hit me or the airplane.- It might be easier just to heat the steel a
nd bend it, but I think I read some where that bending while red hot can
fracture the grain of the metal.- Hope this helps, even if only an exsam
ple of what can happen.
-
Shad
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-
Like Greg said, find two pieces of bar stock .--- I used some 1/4 inc
h x-1.5 inch x 6 inch bar scrap I found at a local metal dealer (much che
aper than Home Depot Aircraft Supply).- Clamp one end in the vice and use
big C clamp on the other end-to clamp the piece between them. Then bend
the steel fitting. It might twist while beating so just reset it in the vic
e.- I didn't have a soft hammer so I used-a block of hardwood between t
he hammer and the steel.
-
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM MICHELLE BRANT
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 6:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets
I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets
which hold the center section.- I cannot get enough bend in the second be
nd to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend
after the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense).- I tried
placing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but
as close as I get, I'm not happy with the result.- The bend is just too
loose.- Any suggestions?
Tom B.
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From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Damp n' plaster! Cheese and crackers got
all muddy!
Try that really fast and watch for reactions. :-)
My Mom's favourite. Now it falls to me to
carry on the Family Tradition. :-)
My daughters grew up with more than enough sailor
style invective to fill a dictionary. They're 36 and
27 now and have never repeated a single word of
any of it. It's all just words to them. Words have
only the power you invest in them or convince
others they have.
Clif
Against the assaultof laughter nothing
can stand. Mark Twain
> I do not curse in the house, Never have. I try to save cursing for a time
> when it is appropriate, IE when I slam my finger in a door. Or when I am
> commenting on another drivers parentage.
>
She said "ignore it and maybe he will forget it." Sure enough he is now 12
and we have not heard it since. At least he does not say it around us.
Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>> The proper application of language by children is an important milestone
>> in the developmental skills of social development.
>> Well done
>> John
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From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
Here in the Great White North all land, sea
and ice is federaly mandated as airfield
ready. There have been a number of legal
battles over that from provincial and
municipal governments but they have lost
every time. The only place not allowed is
in a "built up area". That's reasonable.
Also, being a federal responsibility, there's
no compliance with local building codes
required either. Of course a little common
sense does make life somewhat easier for
all concerned.
Clif
A Canadian is someone who knows how to
make love in a canoe. Pierre Burton
I am nearly overcome with a sudden urge to move to Tennessee.
Andrew Eldredge
Provo, UT
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From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Subject: | forming u shaped brackets |
Tom I'm not sure what part you are talking about but for good 90 degree
bends like this http://textors.com/cabane_fittings_015.jpg I use a brake to
get the bend started and then finish forming over a piece of steel bar like
this http://textors.com/IMG_7502_1600x1067.jpg. Using 2 bars with relief for
a good radius helps like this http://textors.com/cabane_fittings_010.jpg
Forr higher radius bends I clamped with a clamp over a round like this
http://textors.com/IMG_7535_1600x1067.jpg
Jack Textor
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM MICHELLE
BRANT
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 8:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets
I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets
which hold the center section. I cannot get enough bend in the second bend
to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend
after the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense). I tried
placing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but
as close as I get, I'm not happy with the result. The bend is just too
loose. Any suggestions?
Tom B.
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
Scott, I've never considered just "covering the gap" with fabric...I like i
t!- I assume you have had no issues with it that way. (I don't know why y
ou would.)- I believe I will try the same idea, thanks for the tip!
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
May be I make the wrong question. I want to figure how do you cover the wing in
this side.
Where do I attach the fabric?.. I have to wrap de rib? (in this case the side keep
open)
How do you do it?
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Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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From: | santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar> |
Subject: | forming u shaped brackets |
Or...... -http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1858922506=0A=0ASantiago
-
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Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Michael,
No, I have never had an issue with it being covered. I only have the two wing
attach bolts in there and have never needed to get to them until I rebuilt the
plane. It was covered for 29 years like that and now has been covered another
12 years, 41 years total like that. All the hardware was tight when removed.
If someone still wanted to have access to those attach point they could put
small inspection plates at those joints. I have no need for them. It also helps
with the one piece wig look while enjoying the benefits of the three piece
wing.
Ahh, the choices we have to make while we build,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
Well, all that sounds good to me! I will try it as well.- Thanks.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
Mario, I skinned the sides of the center section and attaching wing root si
des with plywood.- Without it, you will need to cut, fit and wrap the fab
ric around the cap strip.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
Scott, another question: Prior to applying the fabric "trim", did you fly t
he plane first to be sure no wing adjustments were needed?- I would assum
e even if an adjustment was needed, the movement at the joint would be mini
mal...causing some slight wrinkles mostly...
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Actually I did fly it first. I'm not sure that it would really make a difference.
When you make trim adjustments, only the wing tips move. The wing roots are
bolted solid and should never move. I left the end 4 inches of the fabric finished
through the Poly-Brush stage. This gave me an area to attach the fabric
to. then finish through paint. It worked out well for me. The hardest part
is covering the whole plane for the painting. I used that thin painters plastic
from the local hardware store. Took about three hours to cover it well.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
Michael, I have never seen plywood covering called for on the 4 ribs at
the ends of the center section and the wing panels on any of the plans.
If it's good enough for Mr. Pietenpol, it's good enough for me. I
figure the vertical pieces in the 4 butt ribs are to take care of the
stress of stretching the fabric accross those ribs. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing border near the center
section(covering question)
Scott, I've never considered just "covering the gap" with
fabric...I like it! I assume you have had no issues with it that way.
(I don't know why you would.) I believe I will try the same idea,
thanks for the tip!
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Too much answers out of topic... how do you cover this side?... the yellow marked;
do you take the fabric from top of the wing to bootom around the rib, or you
put a playwood piece like the photo Michael post (but in the wing, not the
center section..)
I am thinking in the stretching process, the fabric stretch a lot in 4 m, around
half a meter, and the forces over the last rib will be very strong; this ribb
have reinforces for this, so it's necesary a plywodd section like the center
section there?
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Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
the picture....
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Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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Subject: | Pietenpol quotes in The Great Waldo Pepper... |
From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
It's amazing how many direct quotes about building a Pietenpol Air Camper are in
the Great Waldo Pepper (the patron saint movie of Pietenpol builders...)
For example:
"I thought I was done..."
"That was a mistake..."
"The people are kinda nutty but you get used to it..."
"but how can a guy like you be in debt for $40,000...?"
...and my favorite - the one I plan to paint on the turtle-deck behind my pilot's
seat: "Perhaps we'll have a chance to fly together..."
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
Understood. I'm painting by brush, so adding the fabric trim and paint out
at the hangar as opposed to my home shop-will be somewhat easy.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you Curt, I saw this picture uncounted times, and I never understood what
this butt rib was.. until now.
Best regards.
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
From: | John Fay <jfay1950(at)gmail.com> |
Jerry,
Could you tell us what size your runway is (length and width)?
John Fay
in Peoria
Starting to glue my fuselage together this afternoon.
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From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with
when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?) I really
don't remember since moving to San Antonio.
Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold down
here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy when
it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized mat
that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm.
I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable.
I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very
little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but a
Bob wire fence and half of that is down.
Blue Skies,
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
>
> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It
> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long
> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built.
> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too
> many outlets.
>
> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your
> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of
> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more
> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is
> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off
> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the
> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any
> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the
> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a
> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the
> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form.
>
> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet.
> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the
> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn
> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the
> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my
> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more
> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd
> like.
>
> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Gary Boothe < wrote:
> >
> > Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice...
> >
> > Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water
> > from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and
> > making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile
> > the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find
> > a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that,
> > somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice.
> >
> > Gary Boothe
> > NX308MB
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
> > Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
> >
> > --> <
> >
> >
> > Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
> > hangars that will be constructed this spring.
> > It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It
> > will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it.
> > We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
> >
> > I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
> >
> > Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors,
> > etc?
> >
> > Blue Skies,
> > Steve D
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Steve,
I know that country well. I was raised outside of Austin. My wife is
from Lubbock. My dad grew up in Slaton. I've even had the experience
of being snowed in while at a horse show in San Antonio, during the
great blizzard of '72 or maybe '73. I believe that was the last time
San Antonio saw snow that measured two inches in depth.
Your hangar issues will probably have to do more with heat, humidity,
and drainage. The heat and humidity are best dealt with by installing
a fridge to keep beer cooled sufficiently to keep your body
temperature at a level where consciousness is possible. As for
drainage, when those hurricanes and tropical storms stall out over
south Texas, they seem to dump unbelievable volumes of water that has
to go somewhere. You may need to build your hangar on stilts. That
will help keep the snakes out, too.
Cheers, Ken
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
wrote:
>
> Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with
when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?) I
really don't remember since moving to San Antonio.
>
> Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold down
here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy when
it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized
mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm.
>
> I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable.
>
> I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very
little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but
a Bob wire fence and half of that is down.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
>>
>> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It
>> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long
>> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built.
>> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too
>> many outlets.
>>
>> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your
>> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of
>> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more
>> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is
>> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off
>> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the
>> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any
>> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the
>> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a
>> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the
>> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form.
>>
>> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet.
>> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the
>> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn
>> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the
>> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my
>> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more
>> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd
>> like.
>>
>> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Gary Boothe < wrote:
>> >
>> > Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice...
>> >
>> > Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water
>> > from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and
>> > making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile
>> > the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find
>> > a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that,
>> > somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice.
>> >
>> > Gary Boothe
>> > NX308MB
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
>> > Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
>> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM
>> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
>> >
>> > --> <
>> >
>> >
>> > Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
>> > hangars that will be constructed this spring.
>> > It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar.
It
>> > will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it.
>> > We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
>> >
>> > I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
>> >
>> > Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors,
>> > etc?
>> >
>> > Blue Skies,
>> > Steve D
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
At the initial hangar planning meeting everyone voiced a concern about keeping
water out. I was in a rented hangar here before. Good hangar, except when a driving
rainstorm came from the north. It blew water under the door. so you had
a 1/16th inch puddle in the hangar. Then with the high humidity it took forever
to dry out.
An old architect told me to design your building so that there was no way water
could get in. Then make it 6 inches higher!
The floors will slope toward the door and ramp will slope toward the taxiway. We
are on the "high" end of this field. drainage is a big deal.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Date: Friday, December 7, 2012 14:36
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
>
> Steve,
>
> I know that country well. I was raised outside of Austin. My wife is
> from Lubbock. My dad grew up in Slaton. I've even had the experience
> of being snowed in while at a horse show in San Antonio, during the
> great blizzard of '72 or maybe '73. I believe that was the last time
> San Antonio saw snow that measured two inches in depth.
>
> Your hangar issues will probably have to do more with heat, humidity,
> and drainage. The heat and humidity are best dealt with by installing
> a fridge to keep beer cooled sufficiently to keep your body
> temperature at a level where consciousness is possible. As for
> drainage, when those hurricanes and tropical storms stall out over
> south Texas, they seem to dump unbelievable volumes of water that has
> to go somewhere. You may need to build your hangar on stilts. That
> will help keep the snakes out, too.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> < wrote:
> >
> > Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with
when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?)
I really don't remember since moving to San Antonio.
> >
> > Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold
down here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy
when it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized
mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm.
> >
> > I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable.
> >
> > I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very
little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but
a Bob wire fence and half of that is down.
> >
> > Blue Skies,
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ken Bickers <
> > Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> >
> >> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It
> >> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long
> >> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built.
> >> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too
> >> many outlets.
> >>
> >> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your
> >> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of
> >> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more
> >> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is
> >> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off
> >> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the
> >> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any
> >> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the
> >> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a
> >> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the
> >> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form.
> >>
> >> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet.
> >> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the
> >> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn
> >> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the
> >> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my
> >> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more
> >> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd
> >> like.
> >>
> >> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken
> >>
> >> > Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice...
> >> >
> >> > Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water
> >> > from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and
> >> > making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile
> >> > the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find
> >> > a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that,
> >> > somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice.
> >> >
> >> > Gary Boothe
> >> > NX308MB
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
> >> > Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> >> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM
> >> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
> >> >
> >> > --> <>> >
> >> >
> >> > Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
> >> > hangars that will be constructed this spring.
> >> > It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar.
It
> >> > will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it.
> >> > We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
> >> >
> >> > I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
> >> >
> >> > Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors,
> >> > etc?
> >> >
> >> > Blue Skies,
> >> > Steve D
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
Oh I forgot to tell you. The Texas Panhandle was talking about seceeding from Texas.
But they said Lubbock had to go with the Panhandle and so the whole deal
was off.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Date: Friday, December 7, 2012 14:36
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
>
> Steve,
>
> I know that country well. I was raised outside of Austin. My wife is
> from Lubbock. My dad grew up in Slaton. I've even had the experience
> of being snowed in while at a horse show in San Antonio, during the
> great blizzard of '72 or maybe '73. I believe that was the last time
> San Antonio saw snow that measured two inches in depth.
>
> Your hangar issues will probably have to do more with heat, humidity,
> and drainage. The heat and humidity are best dealt with by installing
> a fridge to keep beer cooled sufficiently to keep your body
> temperature at a level where consciousness is possible. As for
> drainage, when those hurricanes and tropical storms stall out over
> south Texas, they seem to dump unbelievable volumes of water that has
> to go somewhere. You may need to build your hangar on stilts. That
> will help keep the snakes out, too.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> < wrote:
> >
> > Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with
when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?)
I really don't remember since moving to San Antonio.
> >
> > Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold
down here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy
when it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized
mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm.
> >
> > I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable.
> >
> > I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very
little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but
a Bob wire fence and half of that is down.
> >
> > Blue Skies,
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ken Bickers <
> > Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> >
> >> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It
> >> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long
> >> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built.
> >> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too
> >> many outlets.
> >>
> >> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your
> >> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of
> >> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more
> >> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is
> >> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off
> >> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the
> >> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any
> >> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the
> >> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a
> >> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the
> >> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form.
> >>
> >> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet.
> >> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the
> >> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn
> >> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the
> >> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my
> >> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more
> >> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd
> >> like.
> >>
> >> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken
> >>
> >> > Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice...
> >> >
> >> > Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water
> >> > from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and
> >> > making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile
> >> > the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find
> >> > a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that,
> >> > somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice.
> >> >
> >> > Gary Boothe
> >> > NX308MB
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
> >> > Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> >> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM
> >> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
> >> >
> >> > --> <>> >
> >> >
> >> > Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
> >> > hangars that will be constructed this spring.
> >> > It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar.
It
> >> > will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it.
> >> > We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
> >> >
> >> > I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
> >> >
> >> > Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors,
> >> > etc?
> >> >
> >> > Blue Skies,
> >> > Steve D
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Nobody but a city slicker from the "panhandle" would call barbed wire "bob wire"!
Gene
On Dec 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
wrote:
>
> Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with
when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?) I
really don't remember since moving to San Antonio.
>
> Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold down
here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy when
it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized
mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm.
>
> I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable.
>
> I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very
little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but
a Bob wire fence and half of that is down.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
>>
>> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It
>> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long
>> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built.
>> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too
>> many outlets.
>>
>> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your
>> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of
>> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more
>> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is
>> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off
>> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the
>> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any
>> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the
>> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a
>> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the
>> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form.
>>
>> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet.
>> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the
>> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn
>> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the
>> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my
>> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more
>> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd
>> like.
>>
>> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Gary Boothe < wrote:
>>>
>>> Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice...
>>>
>>> Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water
>>> from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and
>>> making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile
>>> the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find
>>> a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that,
>>> somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice.
>>>
>>> Gary Boothe
>>> NX308MB
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
>>> Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM
>>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
>>>
>>> --> <
>>>
>>>
>>> Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
>>> hangars that will be constructed this spring.
>>> It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It
>>> will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it.
>>> We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
>>>
>>> I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
>>>
>>> Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors,
>>> etc?
>>>
>>> Blue Skies,
>>> Steve D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
Actually prounounced BOB WAIR. I was raised in Morse (find that on a map) and near
Middle Well, Texas. Some time was spent in Buna Vista (near Borger.) I only
give Amarillo (pronounced Amarilla) Biggest town I lived in growing up was Dumas
Populatioin 15000.
Blue Skies.
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Date: Friday, December 7, 2012 17:01
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
>
> Nobody but a city slicker from the "panhandle" would call barbed wire "bob wire"!
>
> Gene
>
> On Dec 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" < wrote:
>
> >
> > Ken, what is this "snow" of which you speak? Does it have something to do with
when water freezes? Think water freezes at about 42 degrees (or is it 52?)
I really don't remember since moving to San Antonio.
> >
> > Seriously, I am less worried about heating. It really doesn't get that cold
down here, that often. If it does, I don't go out. the people here are crazy
when it gets the least bit icy. I may look for a "Pig Pad" that is a rubberized
mat that heats up electrically. Good for standing on and keeping your feet warm.
> >
> > I will try to put as many electrical outlets in as is reasonable.
> >
> > I was raised in the North Texas Panhandle and so the cold here bothers me very
little. BTW there is nothing between Amarillo, Texas and the North Pole but
a Bob wire fence and half of that is down.
> >
> > Blue Skies,
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ken Bickers <
> > Date: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:07
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> >
> >> Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It
> >> was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long
> >> time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built.
> >> Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too
> >> many outlets.
> >>
> >> Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your
> >> decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of
> >> snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more
> >> quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is
> >> the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off
> >> the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the
> >> west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any
> >> snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the
> >> hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a
> >> gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the
> >> removal of the snow berm as it begins to form.
> >>
> >> Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet.
> >> In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the
> >> hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn
> >> heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the
> >> outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my
> >> work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more
> >> effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd
> >> like.
> >>
> >> Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken
> >>
> >>> Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice...
> >>>
> >>> Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water
> >>> from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and
> >>> making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile
> >>> the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find
> >>> a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that,
> >>> somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice.
> >>>
> >>> Gary Boothe
> >>> NX308MB
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
> >>> Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM
> >>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
> >>>
> >>> --> <>>>
> >>>
> >>> Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
> >>> hangars that will be constructed this spring.
> >>> It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar.
It
> >>> will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it.
> >>> We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
> >>>
> >>> I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
> >>>
> >>> Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors,
> >>> etc?
> >>>
> >>> Blue Skies,
> >>> Steve D
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
Subject: | forming u shaped brackets |
thx to all responses.. I think I'm going to use the EAA method of cutting
the bracket in half and welding together for a perfect fit. I cannot seem
to get the fit right using the other methods.
From: tmbrant(at)msn.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets
Date: Thu=2C 6 Dec 2012 20:00:51 -0600
I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets
which hold the center section. I cannot get enough bend in the second bend
to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend a
fter the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense). I tried plac
ing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but as
close as I get=2C I'm not happy with the result. The bend is just too loos
e. Any suggestions?
Tom B.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Steve,
Like Jerry Dotson, I built a pole barn/hangar on a tight budget in 2000. I
regret that I didn't insulate under the metal panels of the roof. Often
times, moisture condenses on the inside of the roof panels, and drips onto
all my junk. Insulating foil bubble wrap would have eliminated this.
Here's a link for this:
http://www.4bubble.com/insulative-foil-bubble-wrap?gclid=CKabnIiIi7QCFStgMgodcVEANw
Whatever you do, don't skimp on insulation.
Lighting: I recommend fluorescent light fixtures with electronic ballasts.
Cheap fixtures are noisy and are slow in cold weather. Energy-wise,
fluorescent is the best bang for the buck. Many industrial plants are
switching from metal halides to T5 fluorescent fixtures.
Heating: The options here are endless. However, for about $500 you can
put the pex tubing in the concrete for radiant floor heating. Even if you
never use it, you're not out much. But, if you leave it out, you can never
add it (obviously). There are numerous ways to heat the water. One of my
buddies used a propane on-demand water heater. My brother-in-law uses an
outdoor wood boiler. It is a clean and very comfortable heat method.
Anyway, there's my free advice!
Greg Bacon
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB <
steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> wrote:
> steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
>
>
> Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
> hangars that will be constructed this spring.
> It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar.
> It will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to
> it. We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
>
> I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
>
> Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors,
> etc?
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
--
Greg Bacon
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Mario,
The wing butt rib is strengthened with braces. The 3 piece wing supplement
shows these braces, see photo. The extra bracing is needed for the forces
applied by the stretched fabric. I further strengthened the butt rib by
wrapping the rib with a 2 inch wide strip of 1/16" plywood (T88 epoxy), see
photo. The plywood also provides for more surface area for gluing in the
braces. The plywood and braces made the butt rib rock solid. The credit
for this method goes to John Dilatush, Mountain Piet builder. I'm simply
duplicating his work.
Fabric - I glued the fabric to the plywood and trimmed it flush with a
razor after the glue dried. When it came time for applying the perimeter
tape, I wrapped finish tape around the edge of the plywood to further
secure the fabric. This is a nice method if you want an open butt rib.
You can also close the butt rib with fabric. Watch the Stewart System
videos on youtube to see how this is done. This was demonstrated on a
Piper Colt wing. He cut 3 separate pieces of fabric and pieced them in
around the spar ends. These pieces are heat shrunk along with the rest of
the wing.
These are just a few ideas. There are many other ways to deal with the
butt rib. Hope it helps.
Greg Bacon
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:28 AM, giacummo wrote:
> >
>
> May be I make the wrong question. I want to figure how do you cover the
> wing in this side.
> Where do I attach the fabric?.. I have to wrap de rib? (in this case the
> side keep open)
> How do you do it?
>
> --------
> Mario Giacummo
> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390003#390003
>
>
--
Greg Bacon
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Who is next in line for the fish scale?
Would like to thrust test sometime in Jan if possible.
11298 Campbell Bridge Drive
Prairie Home, MO 65068
Thank you!
--
Greg Bacon
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | forming u shaped brackets |
Are you talking about the u bracket that wraps over the top of the spar?-
If so, ours is welded as well, and works fine.-
-
Shad
--- On Fri, 12/7/12, TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote:
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets
Date: Friday, December 7, 2012, 7:46 PM
thx to all responses..- I think I'm going to use the EAA method of cuttin
g the bracket in half and welding together for a perfect fit.- I cannot s
eem to get the fit right using the other methods.
From: tmbrant(at)msn.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 20:00:51 -0600
I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets
which hold the center section.- I cannot get enough bend in the second be
nd to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend
after the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense).- I tried
placing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but
as close as I get, I'm not happy with the result.- The bend is just too
loose.- Any suggestions?
Tom B.
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From: | "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net> |
Subject: | Re: Fish Scale list |
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________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo |
From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Greg,
Good to hear that you are almost ready for the Official Pietenpol List Indu
strial Fish Scale. At present, Mr. (mean man) Gene Rambo, of the great stat
e of Virginia, has possession. Last I heard he had a request entered to kee
p it until his "further testing" could be performed. If we could get him to
chime-in here with his current inclination to relinquish, it would be grea
tly appreciated. In the meantime, I have taken due note of your shipping ad
dress.
Mr. Rambo, are you out there?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:07 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list
Who is next in line for the fish scale?
Would like to thrust test sometime in Jan if possible.
11298 Campbell Bridge Drive
Prairie Home, MO 65068
Thank you!
--
Greg Bacon
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Fish Scale list |
From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Perry,
Of course you are welcome to use The Fish Scale. Anyone with a Pietenpol is
welcome to use it! The only thing that is required is to give the feedback
results for all of us to digest and record. Please see my previous post to
Greg Bacon.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Perry Rhoads <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net>
Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 3:01 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list
If you're allowed to use it on an A-65, I'd like to try it.
Perry Rhoads
Carlinville,IL.
N12939
Sent from my Motorola ATRIX=84=A2 4G on AT&T
-----Original message-----
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 16:06:31 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list
Who is next in line for the fish scale?
Would like to thrust test sometime in Jan if possible.
11298 Campbell Bridge Drive
Prairie Home, MO 65068
Thank you!
--
Greg Bacon
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Subject: | Re: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo |
Yes, I am probably going to do another test on Monday. I have been chasing a
poor idle problem and may have it licked. If I don't, I can relinquish ...
Gene
On Dec 8, 2012, at 5:36 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Greg,
>
> Good to hear that you are almost ready for the Official Pietenpol List Ind
ustrial Fish Scale. At present, Mr. (mean man) Gene Rambo, of the great stat
e of Virginia, has possession. Last I heard he had a request entered to keep
it until his "further testing" could be performed. If we could get him to c
hime-in here with his current inclination to relinquish, it would be greatly
appreciated. In the meantime, I have taken due note of your shipping addres
s.
> Mr. Rambo, are you out there?
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:07 am
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list
>
> Who is next in line for the fish scale?
>
> Would like to thrust test sometime in Jan if possible.
>
> 11298 Campbell Bridge Drive
> Prairie Home, MO 65068
>
> Thank you!
>
> --
> Greg Bacon
> NX114D(Mountain Piet)
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo |
From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
OK Gene,
When you are finished, if you could kindly advance it directly on to Greg,
and make a note on this list at that time, that would be good.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 4:54 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo
Yes, I am probably going to do another test on Monday. I have been chasing
a poor idle problem and may have it licked. If I don't, I can relinquish ..
.
Gene
On Dec 8, 2012, at 5:36 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
Greg,
Good to hear that you are almost ready for the Official Pietenpol List Indu
strial Fish Scale. At present, Mr. (mean man) Gene Rambo, of the great stat
e of Virginia, has possession. Last I heard he had a request entered to kee
p it until his "further testing" could be performed. If we could get him to
chime-in here with his current inclination to relinquish, it would be grea
tly appreciated. In the meantime, I have taken due note of your shipping ad
dress.
Mr. Rambo, are you out there?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:07 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list
Who is next in line for the fish scale?
Would like to thrust test sometime in Jan if possible.
11298 Campbell Bridge Drive
Prairie Home, MO 65068
Thank you!
--
Greg Bacon
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
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Subject: | Re: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo |
From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I'm not quite ready to get in queue for the scales, but close. I finished washing
up Scout today, looks MUCH better now, and will start in on a few minor repairs
that are needed. One of those is replacement of the front main seal on
the engine, which has been weeping a fine mist of oil into the prop wash. My
thought is to run the static thrust test with the prop that's on it, then go out
and fly to do some timed climbs and level WOT cruise, then go back to the hangar
and pull the Culver prop, change the seal, and install the Prince prop.
Changing the seal will be just a bit easier with the prop off the hub.
I'll follow that up with a static fish scale thrust test to compare the Prince
to the Culver, go out and fly some time-to-climb and max level cruise, and I'll
be done with the scales.
I'm weeks away from that yet, but will raise my hand when I think I'm ready.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo |
From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Dan and Gene. No big rush. Sometime in Jan is fine. I figured
setting a deadline for testing would motivate me to get her ready. Still
need to purchase a battery and clean out the fuel tank.
Cheers!
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 5:05 PM, wrote:
> OK Gene,
>
> When you are finished, if you could kindly advance* it* directly on to
> Greg, and make a note on this list at that time, that would be good.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 4:54 pm
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list- Calling Gene Rambo
>
> Yes, I am probably going to do another test on Monday. I have been
> chasing a poor idle problem and may have it licked. If I don't, I can
> relinquish ...
>
> Gene
>
> On Dec 8, 2012, at 5:36 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Greg,
>
> Good to hear that you are almost ready for the *Official Pietenpol List
> Industrial Fish Scale*. At present, Mr. (mean man) Gene Rambo, of the
> great state of Virginia, has possession. Last I heard he had a request
> entered to keep it until his "further testing" could be performed. If we
> could get him to chime-in here with his current inclination to relinquish,
> it would be greatly appreciated. In the meantime, I have taken due note of
> your shipping address.
> Mr. Rambo, are you out there?
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 10:07 am
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fish Scale list
>
> Who is next in line for the fish scale?
>
> Would like to thrust test sometime in Jan if possible.
>
> 11298 Campbell Bridge Drive
> Prairie Home, MO 65068
>
> Thank you!
>
> --
> Greg Bacon
> NX114D(Mountain Piet)
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Subject: | Varnish Question |
From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
I have been spraying some interior parts, thinned 10% with very good success. The
last coat sprayed yesterday has a fog look under the surface. The only difference
from other times were, A bit cooler, 60 degrees and a new can of varnish.
Any ideas? The new can of varnish looks clear.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
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Subject: | Re: Varnish Question |
From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
High humidity and too thick of an application. It's purely cosmetic, but next time
either thin more, or use a fast drying solvent like acetone.
Gary
NX308MB
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 9, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jack wrote:
>
> I have been spraying some interior parts, thinned 10% with very good success.
The last coat sprayed yesterday has a fog look under the surface. The only difference
from other times were, A bit cooler, 60 degrees and a new can of varnish.
Any ideas? The new can of varnish looks clear.
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
>
>
>
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From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Subject: | Re: Varnish Question |
Jack, I'm certainly not an expert but the foggy look might come from
moisture. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 12:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Varnish Question
>
> I have been spraying some interior parts, thinned 10% with very good
> success. The last coat sprayed yesterday has a fog look under the surface.
> The only difference from other times were, A bit cooler, 60 degrees and a
> new can of varnish. Any ideas? The new can of varnish looks clear.
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
>
>
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Subject: | Fwd: Speaking of planes for sale |
From: | ken anderson <kanderson051(at)gmail.com> |
Forwarding this on someone may be interested.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "earhart500" <earhart500(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 8, 2012 8:45 PM
Subject: Fwd: Speaking of planes for sale
Jeff, your wish is my command! :~)
Everyone, please feel free to pass this along to your own flying lists and
clubs, too. (Eve? Dave?)
Have a good weekend, everyone!
Diane
Diane Earhart
"*A mile of road will take you a mile, *
*but a mile of runway will take you anywhere*"
(Quote stolen from Jeff Wilson who stole it from someone else.)
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 8, 2012 9:32 am
Subject: Speaking of planes for sale
Hi Diane,
Before I post this on Barnstormers, I wonder if you would send this through
your vast network of email contacts for me. I would like to let everyone
locally know about it first. Do you have any contacts for Chapter 32? I
used to be a member with them a long time ago.
Would like to let them all know too.
I have a pristine Continental A-65-8A for sale. 200 hours since major.
Chrome cylinders, chrome valve covers, new wiring harness, full intake,
carb and exhaust with carb heat and cabin heat muffs. Mounted on included
engine stand. Includes extras, package of new valve cover gaskets and a bag
full of new copper plug gaskets.
No data plate. Mount and fly. $3500 firm.
Jeff Wilson 314-974-4589
jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com
Sent from my iPhone
Sent from my iPhone
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Subject: | Re: Varnish Question |
From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Have never tried acetone, 10 % work with it too?
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Dec 9, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> High humidity and too thick of an application. It's purely cosmetic, but next
time either thin more, or use a fast drying solvent like acetone.
>
> Gary
> NX308MB
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 9, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jack wrote:
>
>>
>> I have been spraying some interior parts, thinned 10% with very good success.
The last coat sprayed yesterday has a fog look under the surface. The only difference
from other times were, A bit cooler, 60 degrees and a new can of varnish.
Any ideas? The new can of varnish looks clear.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> Jack Textor
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Varnish Question |
From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Sure. Solvent amounts would be the same, just that some dry quicker. In summer
you might drop back to thinner. BTW - without sanding the cloudy varnish off,
there is nothing to be done for it.
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 9, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Jack wrote:
>
> Have never tried acetone, 10 % work with it too?
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
> On Dec 9, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
>>
>> High humidity and too thick of an application. It's purely cosmetic, but next
time either thin more, or use a fast drying solvent like acetone.
>>
>> Gary
>> NX308MB
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jack wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have been spraying some interior parts, thinned 10% with very good success.
The last coat sprayed yesterday has a fog look under the surface. The only
difference from other times were, A bit cooler, 60 degrees and a new can of varnish.
Any ideas? The new can of varnish looks clear.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> Jack Textor
>
>
>
>
>
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From: | <don.h(at)wcoil.com> |
Subject: | Re: Varnish Question |
I think you mean a slow drying thinner so the water can get away before the
paint drys it called blushing a painters night mear
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnish Question
High humidity and too thick of an application. It's purely cosmetic, but
next time either thin more, or use a fast drying solvent like acetone.
Gary
NX308MB
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 9, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jack wrote:
>
> I have been spraying some interior parts, thinned 10% with very good
> success. The last coat sprayed yesterday has a fog look under the surface.
> The only difference from other times were, A bit cooler, 60 degrees and a
> new can of varnish. Any ideas? The new can of varnish looks clear.
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
>
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From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
The matter of condensation on the underside of your metal hangar roof shoul
d not be taken too lightly. When I was making repairs to my fuselage after
the nose-over=2C the wings remained stored in a hangar in Zapata=2C TX and
were there for many months. The underside of the hangar roof was somewhat
corroded=2C so the condensation dripping down from the roof was not just c
lear "dew". The upper surfaces of Scout's wings bear permanently discolore
d stains from the drips (along with some bat droppings).
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: Varnish Question |
From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Oh good more sanding!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Dec 9, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> Sure. Solvent amounts would be the same, just that some dry quicker. In summer
you might drop back to thinner. BTW - without sanding the cloudy varnish off,
there is nothing to be done for it.
>
> Gary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 9, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Jack wrote:
>
>>
>> Have never tried acetone, 10 % work with it too?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> Jack Textor
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> High humidity and too thick of an application. It's purely cosmetic, but next
time either thin more, or use a fast drying solvent like acetone.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>> NX308MB
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have been spraying some interior parts, thinned 10% with very good success.
The last coat sprayed yesterday has a fog look under the surface. The only
difference from other times were, A bit cooler, 60 degrees and a new can of varnish.
Any ideas? The new can of varnish looks clear.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> Jack Textor
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Varnish Question |
From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I think Don is right, if you're finish is blushing, you want to use a retardant.
A fast drying thinner tends to cool more (latent heat of vaporization), which
causes the condensation that shows up as that foggy milky appearance.
On finishes you can redissolve (lacquers, dope, etc) you can eliminate it sometimes
on subsequent applications, but on varnish, it's there to stay unless removed
abrasively.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390105#390105
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Subject: | Re: Varnish Question |
From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
This is not a physics problem...it's a chemistry problem! If the varnish is too
soft (un-dried) as it comes into contact with excessive moisture, the surface
curing agents react negatively with the moisture. In cool and/or humid conditions,
it's important to speed up the cure, by using fast drying thinners.
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 9, 2012, at 11:27 AM, "tools" wrote:
>
> I think Don is right, if you're finish is blushing, you want to use a retardant.
A fast drying thinner tends to cool more (latent heat of vaporization), which
causes the condensation that shows up as that foggy milky appearance.
>
> On finishes you can redissolve (lacquers, dope, etc) you can eliminate it sometimes
on subsequent applications, but on varnish, it's there to stay unless removed
abrasively.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390105#390105
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Varnish Question |
From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
C'mon Gary, blushing is blushing. Fast evaporation lowers the temperature to the
dew point and moisture draws out of atmosphere. Best way to avoid is wait for
a better day, followed by raise the temperature or slow the evaporation.
Gene
On Dec 9, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> This is not a physics problem...it's a chemistry problem! If the varnish is too
soft (un-dried) as it comes into contact with excessive moisture, the surface
curing agents react negatively with the moisture. In cool and/or humid conditions,
it's important to speed up the cure, by using fast drying thinners.
>
> Gary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 9, 2012, at 11:27 AM, "tools" wrote:
>
>>
>> I think Don is right, if you're finish is blushing, you want to use a retardant.
A fast drying thinner tends to cool more (latent heat of vaporization),
which causes the condensation that shows up as that foggy milky appearance.
>>
>> On finishes you can redissolve (lacquers, dope, etc) you can eliminate it sometimes
on subsequent applications, but on varnish, it's there to stay unless
removed abrasively.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390105#390105
>
>
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>
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From: | <don.h(at)wcoil.com> |
Subject: | Re: Varnish Question |
Sorry dont want to get anybodys jammies in a knot! But when I rebuilt my
t-craft I got blushin and the paint man at where I bnought my paint said use
RETARDENT thinner I wound up using almost 50 % till it worked
-----Original Message-----
From: tools
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 2:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Question
I think Don is right, if you're finish is blushing, you want to use a
retardant. A fast drying thinner tends to cool more (latent heat of
vaporization), which causes the condensation that shows up as that foggy
milky appearance.
On finishes you can redissolve (lacquers, dope, etc) you can eliminate it
sometimes on subsequent applications, but on varnish, it's there to stay
unless removed abrasively.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390105#390105
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Subject: | Re: Varnish Question |
From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
I stand corrected. Coming from California, humidity is something we read about.
Still, when painting my cowling last spring, and dealing with paint issues, I
was advised to use a slower thinner on warm days...solved my issues.
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 9, 2012, at 1:09 PM, wrote:
>
> Sorry dont want to get anybodys jammies in a knot! But when I rebuilt my t-craft
I got blushin and the paint man at where I bnought my paint said use RETARDENT
thinner I wound up using almost 50 % till it worked
>
> -----Original Message----- From: tools
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 2:27 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Question
>
>
> I think Don is right, if you're finish is blushing, you want to use a retardant.
A fast drying thinner tends to cool more (latent heat of vaporization), which
causes the condensation that shows up as that foggy milky appearance.
>
> On finishes you can redissolve (lacquers, dope, etc) you can eliminate it sometimes
on subsequent applications, but on varnish, it's there to stay unless removed
abrasively.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390105#390105
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: | "Barnwell Regional Airport" <barnwellairport(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol |
Pietenpolers,
Yesterday, Don Harpers new Pietenpol went for it's first flight.
After two circuits of the airport, several of the engine instruments
were not reading correctly, the plane was landed and the problems will
be corrected before the next flight.
More information to follow as flight testing continues.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Varnish Question |
From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
That's right Gary....slower thinner. :)
Gene
On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> I stand corrected. Coming from California, humidity is something we read about.
Still, when painting my cowling last spring, and dealing with paint issues,
I was advised to use a slower thinner on warm days...solved my issues.
>
> Gary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 9, 2012, at 1:09 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>> Sorry dont want to get anybodys jammies in a knot! But when I rebuilt my t-craft
I got blushin and the paint man at where I bnought my paint said use RETARDENT
thinner I wound up using almost 50 % till it worked
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: tools
>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 2:27 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Question
>>
>>
>> I think Don is right, if you're finish is blushing, you want to use a retardant.
A fast drying thinner tends to cool more (latent heat of vaporization),
which causes the condensation that shows up as that foggy milky appearance.
>>
>> On finishes you can redissolve (lacquers, dope, etc) you can eliminate it sometimes
on subsequent applications, but on varnish, it's there to stay unless
removed abrasively.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390105#390105
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol |
From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
NICE! Congratulations to Don. Can't wait to hear the head-to-head results w
ith P.F.'s machine.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Barnwell Regional Airport <barnwellairport(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 3:36 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol
Pietenpolers,
Yesterday, Don Harpers new Pietenpol went for it's first flight.
After two circuits of the airport, several of the engine instruments were n
ot reading correctly, the plane was landed and the problems will be correct
ed before the next flight.
More information to follow as flight testing continues.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Gardiner <airlion2(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol |
On 12/9/2012 4:46 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> NICE! Congratulations to Don. Can't wait to hear the head-to-head
> results with P.F.'s machine.
Dan , do you have Don Harper's email address? Thanks, Gardiner. Also PF,s
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barnwell Regional Airport <barnwellairport(at)bellsouth.net>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 3:36 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol
>
> Pietenpolers,
> Yesterday, Don Harpers new Pietenpol went for it's first flight.
> After two circuits of the airport, several of the engine instruments
> were not reading correctly, the plane was landed and the problems will
> be corrected before the next flight.
> More information to follow as flight testing continues.
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Subject: | RV Tail Wheel Design |
From: | "FandS_Piet" <fkim79(at)gmail.com> |
Attached are a couple pictures of our finished tail wheel. Originally I bought
a Matco wheel because dad and I both wanted to have a steerable tail wheel that
also has a break free mechanism, but we also wanted more to go with the original
design. I returned the Matco and we purchased an RV setup from Vans for
a reasonable 140.00. After a few small modifications we now have what we see
as the best of both worlds. A steerable tail wheel with a break free mechanism
that is built from the plans. It is a very simple modification (I am speaking
for my father because he "designed the modification" if that makes sense, while
I was and still am busy with the birth of my son). Anyway if anybody is interested
in this idea we have part numbers from Vans and Dad made a drawings of
the modifications that need to be made.
P.S. Has anybody heard from Chris Tracy? We have been trying to reach him to see
if he would want to post our pictures to his website?
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Fred Kim
Pittsburgh, Pa
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Subject: | Re: Varnish Question |
From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Gene is right on. You can get it whether it is cool or hot. The closer the temperature
is to the dewpoint, the quicker it will blush. It's when the temperature
and dewpoint spread is close together when you get the most trouble. If
the temperature was 60 degrees and you got it, most likely the dewpoint was not
far below. If you could heat it up in the room it would be better. There
have been days where I've tried to paint and it was a great temperature, maybe
mid seventies, and I got blushing. If I heated my shop into the 90's I could
get away from the blushing.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
Subject: | Re: Varnish Question |
On 12/9/2012 11:00 AM, Jack wrote:
>
> I have been spraying some interior parts, thinned 10% with very good success.
The last coat sprayed yesterday has a fog look under the surface. The only difference
from other times were, A bit cooler, 60 degrees and a new can of varnish.
Any ideas? The new can of varnish looks clear.
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
Jack,
A couple of points I would like to add. When thinning varnishes mineral
spirits is the typical reducer. With the current regs most mineral
spirits that you get at the big box stores is the odorless type. Without
getting too technical that means that the aromatic hydrocarbons(
relatives of xylene and toluene) have been removed. This lowers the
solvency of the thinner drastically. Depending on the varnish and the
solvent blend it was made with, this can cause problems with keeping the
varnish in solution. Even more so as the temperature of the varnish is
reduced. As the varnish starts to come out of solution it will cloud up.
I would only use aliphatic solvents (mineral spirits and VM & P naphtha)
and aromatic solvents (Xylene and toluene) as thinners for varnish.
Lacquer thinner, Acetone, alcohols ect are not good to use.
I would recommend the following reducers....
85% odorless mineral spirits 15% xylene for hot days .
85% odorless mineral spirits and 15% toluene for cool days.
I would also check your air/oil trap on your compressor. Make absolutely
sure there is no trapped water in the trap or in your lines.
Good luck. If you would like to contact me off line email me at
lmforge(at)earthlink.net
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso IN
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Subject: | Re: hand propping |
From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
First, let's eliminate spark. Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' when starting
attempts were made. I had to keep going back and forth from the nose to
the cockpit as I would try different things, and anytime the prop required repositioning,
I would kill the mags. The mags are new Slicks with new harnesses,
impulse couplings on both, and as I said, the plugs looked just the right color.
I did not gap them though.
Now let's talk fuel. Of course I drained samples from the gascolator several times
after washing the airplane since the "bent rod and cork" fuel level system
requires that there be an open hole in the fuel cap, and another right next
to it for a vent. I drained a very, very small amount of water from the gascolator
on the first check and none thereafter. I also drained a bit of fuel into
a plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so it was flowing well and should
be clean. Fuel valve was on when starting attempts were made.
Last item is air. I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter to check for
obstructions, but I should do that since it's about due for a good cleaning and
re-oiling after the dusty time it just had in Texas. I'll have to admit that
the mixture may have been running rich if the filter is obstructed.
I'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the machine back to Texas.
It always started easily down there ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
Subject: | Re: hand propping |
Perhaps the starter is the problem.
I say just quit trying and ship the thing home!
Blue Skies,
Steve
BTW it was almost 80 degrees today and muggy
----- Original Message -----
From: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sunday, December 9, 2012 22:16
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
>
> First, let's eliminate spark. Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' when starting
attempts were made. I had to keep going back and forth
> from the nose to the cockpit as I would try different things, and
> anytime the prop required repositioning, I would kill the mags.
> The mags are new Slicks with new harnesses, impulse couplings on
> both, and as I said, the plugs looked just the right color. I did
> not gap them though.
>
> Now let's talk fuel. Of course I drained samples from the
> gascolator several times after washing the airplane since the "bent
> rod and cork" fuel level system requires that there be an open hole
> in the fuel cap, and another right next to it for a vent. I
> drained a very, very small amount of water from the gascolator on
> the first check and none thereafter. I also drained a bit of fuel
> into a plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so it was flowing
> well and should be clean. Fuel valve was on when starting attempts
> were made.
>
> Last item is air. I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter
> to check for obstructions, but I should do that since it's about
> due for a good cleaning and re-oiling after the dusty time it just
> had in Texas. I'll have to admit that the mixture may have been
> running rich if the filter is obstructed.
>
> I'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the
> machine back to Texas. It always started easily down there ;o)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
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From: | Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: hand propping |
One last thing about fuel... I hate it when water gets in the system someho
w.
This will frustrate any attempts to start the engine.
We use car gas.
As a precaution, we use a Mr. Funnel to filter our fuel.-
A. it filters the fuel of particles.
B. it removes any water sold to you as fuel from the Sunoco.
Andy Abreu
N6186L
--- On Sun, 12/9/12, taildrags wrote:
From: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
Date: Sunday, December 9, 2012, 11:11 PM
First, let's eliminate spark.- Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' whe
n starting attempts were made.- I had to keep going back and forth from t
he nose to the cockpit as I would try different things, and anytime the pro
p required repositioning, I would kill the mags.- The mags are new Slicks
with new harnesses, impulse couplings on both, and as I said, the plugs lo
oked just the right color.- I did not gap them though.
Now let's talk fuel.- Of course I drained samples from the gascolator sev
eral times after washing the airplane since the "bent rod and cork" fuel le
vel system requires that there be an open hole in the fuel cap, and another
right next to it for a vent.- I drained a very, very small amount of wat
er from the gascolator on the first check and none thereafter.- I also dr
ained a bit of fuel into a plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so it was
flowing well and should be clean.- Fuel valve was on when starting attem
pts were made.
Last item is air.- I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter to chec
k for obstructions, but I should do that since it's about due for a good cl
eaning and re-oiling after the dusty time it just had in Texas.- I'll hav
e to admit that the mixture may have been running rich if the filter is obs
tructed.
I'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the machine back
to Texas.- It always started easily down there ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: hand propping |
From: | Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org> |
But did you visually check for spark? If you did not, you did not eliminate
spark.
Disconnect all plug wires, remove a plug, connect its plug wire, and lay it
on a head. With switch on, swing the prop and look for spark....
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 10:11 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
> First, let's eliminate spark. Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' when
> starting attempts were made. I had to keep going back and forth from the
> nose to the cockpit as I would try different things, and anytime the prop
> required repositioning, I would kill the mags. The mags are new Slicks
> with new harnesses, impulse couplings on both, and as I said, the plugs
> looked just the right color. I did not gap them though.
>
> Now let's talk fuel. Of course I drained samples from the gascolator
> several times after washing the airplane since the "bent rod and cork" fuel
> level system requires that there be an open hole in the fuel cap, and
> another right next to it for a vent. I drained a very, very small amount
> of water from the gascolator on the first check and none thereafter. I
> also drained a bit of fuel into a plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so
> it was flowing well and should be clean. Fuel valve was on when starting
> attempts were made.
>
> Last item is air. I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter to check
> for obstructions, but I should do that since it's about due for a good
> cleaning and re-oiling after the dusty time it just had in Texas. I'll
> have to admit that the mixture may have been running rich if the filter is
> obstructed.
>
> I'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the machine back
> to Texas. It always started easily down there ;o)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
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>
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Subject: | Re: hand propping |
From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Andy wrote:
>Throttle closed, stick back, brakes set, mags off.
>Turn the prop through a few times , and then impulse
>mags on. It usually starts on the first or second pull.
Yes, that is standard starting procedure and it usually works (Stromberg carb).
>Sometimes the mixture is too rich or I suspect it's flooded.
>In those cases, I'll try a few things.
>--Turn the prop backwards with the mags off and throttle full open
>then try starting it again. This helps if you think you've flooded it.
It didn't help. I thought I might have flooded it, and tried that procedure.
No joy.
>--if that doesn't work, I'll turn the fuel valve to the off position,
>throttle closed, mags hot and I hit the prop until it finds just the
>right ratio. Fuel valve back on as soon as it starts.
Tried that, too. I've done that a time or two when refueling, but that was usually
a "hot start" situation. In any case, it didn't work today.
>If it's real cold outside, I'll preheat the hangar
No heat in my hangar.
>Carb heat helps too.
Applying carb heat does absolutely nothing until there is some heat for it to apply
(exhaust has to be hot, which means the engine has to be running. I could
not make it run today).
>Sometimes have to restart the engine several times
>until the engine warms up.
I would have been happy with just *one* start, let alone restarting it several
times ;o)
>I often find myself trying to start the Piet solo.
>Nobody seems to know about hand propping.
I start my Piet solo about 99 times out of 100, and that's why today was so frustrating,
because I thought that I knew and understood my engine and carb ;o)
>With the engine started and oil pressure coming up and
>starting to run smooth, I untie the tail. When I'm ready
>to climb in, I turn off the fuel valve. Then carefully climb
>into the cockpit, careful not to hit the throttle with my knee.
>When I sit down, I turn the fuel valve back on.
I have a very similar routine, believe me. When I get ready to climb into the
cockpit, I raise the center section 'flop' with my head as I climb in, definitely
watching out for the throttle (which I have bumped a time or two, and it makes
your heart race). Thanks for commiserating with me, though.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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From: | Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
Barbaro, exactly what I want to see... thank you
Mario Giacummo
. -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- /
...- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - .
2012/12/8 Greg Bacon
> Hi Mario,
>
> The wing butt rib is strengthened with braces. The 3 piece wing
> supplement shows these braces, see photo. The extra bracing is needed for
> the forces applied by the stretched fabric. I further strengthened the
> butt rib by wrapping the rib with a 2 inch wide strip of 1/16" plywood (T88
> epoxy), see photo. The plywood also provides for more surface area for
> gluing in the braces. The plywood and braces made the butt rib rock solid.
> The credit for this method goes to John Dilatush, Mountain Piet builder.
> I'm simply duplicating his work.
>
> Fabric - I glued the fabric to the plywood and trimmed it flush with a
> razor after the glue dried. When it came time for applying the perimeter
> tape, I wrapped finish tape around the edge of the plywood to further
> secure the fabric. This is a nice method if you want an open butt rib.
> You can also close the butt rib with fabric. Watch the Stewart System
> videos on youtube to see how this is done. This was demonstrated on a
> Piper Colt wing. He cut 3 separate pieces of fabric and pieced them in
> around the spar ends. These pieces are heat shrunk along with the rest of
> the wing.
>
> These are just a few ideas. There are many other ways to deal with the
> butt rib. Hope it helps.
>
> Greg Bacon
> NX114D(Mountain Piet)
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:28 AM, giacummo wrote:
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>> mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
>>
>> May be I make the wrong question. I want to figure how do you cover the
>> wing in this side.
>> Where do I attach the fabric?.. I have to wrap de rib? (in this case the
>> side keep open)
>> How do you do it?
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>> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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Subject: | Re: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol |
From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Gardiner,
No I don't have Don's email, but I am almost sure the barnwellairport@bell
south.net address is P.F.'s
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 4:51 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol
On 12/9/2012 4:46 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
NICE! Congratulations to Don. Can't wait to hear the head-to-hea
d results with P.F.'s machine.
Dan , do you have Don Harper's email address? Thanks, Gardiner.
Also PF,s
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 3:36 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight of Don Harpers new
Pietenpol
Pietenpolers,
Yesterday, Don Harpers new Pietenpol went for it's first fli
ght.
After two circuits of the airport, several of the engine ins
truments were not reading correctly, the plane was landed an
d the problems will be corrected before the next flight.
More information to follow as flight testing continues.
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From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Subject: | Varnish Question |
Thanks to all for all the comments! It looks like there are many variables
that can cause blushing (I learned a new word). I'm using a HVLP sprayer and
thinned with naphtha. It did take awhile for the blushing to appear which
made it extra frustrating. About the time I finished it started to show.
Winter arrived, it's 16 degrees so I may have to delay spraying in the
garage, or find a better way to heat it up. Thanks again!
Jack Textor
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 11:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Varnish Question
I have been spraying some interior parts, thinned 10% with very good
success. The last coat sprayed yesterday has a fog look under the surface.
The only difference from other times were, A bit cooler, 60 degrees and a
new can of varnish. Any ideas? The new can of varnish looks clear.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
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From: | Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: hand propping |
Maybe you have something wrong with the mags.
We had problems starting the engine earlier this year.- Trouble started w
hen we put on a new harness from Fresno. We have Eisemann mags.
When everyone got out of my hair, I pulled all the wires and turned the pro
p through and watched the leads sparking against the engine case.- They a
ll sparked, but it turns out we somehow managed to swap the wires for numbe
r 2 & 4 cylinders. I think the firing order should be 1 3 2 4.- Short sto
ry, we fixed the wires and it started and ran fine.
Long story,. We still had problems with the mags.- This time with the P-l
eads.- You'll be pulling the prop through and suddenly the engines starts
.- Or you turn the mags off and Piety isn't ready to stop for the day.-
We seem to have fixed the faulty P lead connection, but I am much more lee
ry around the prop than I used to be.- Ack!
Andy Abreu
N6186L
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From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hand propping
Date: Monday, December 10, 2012, 12:05 AM
But did you visually check for spark? If you did not, you did not eliminate
spark.
Disconnect all plug wires, remove a plug, connect its plug wire, and lay it
on a head. With switch on, swing the prop and look for spark....-
=0A
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 10:11 PM, taildrags wrote:
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when starting attempts were made. -I had to keep going back and forth fro
m the nose to the cockpit as I would try different things, and anytime the
prop required repositioning, I would kill the mags. -The mags are new Sli
cks with new harnesses, impulse couplings on both, and as I said, the plugs
looked just the right color. -I did not gap them though.
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several times after washing the airplane since the "bent rod and cork" fuel
level system requires that there be an open hole in the fuel cap, and anot
her right next to it for a vent. -I drained a very, very small amount of
water from the gascolator on the first check and none thereafter. -I also
drained a bit of fuel into a plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so it
was flowing well and should be clean. -Fuel valve was on when starting at
tempts were made.
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heck for obstructions, but I should do that since it's about due for a good
cleaning and re-oiling after the dusty time it just had in Texas. -I'll
have to admit that the mixture may have been running rich if the filter is
obstructed.
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Subject: | Re: hand propping |
From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
If you have done all of those things, it is usually lack of prime. I say get a
can of starter fluid and hose it down, pull through a few times, and make it hot.
If it doesn't even fire then, you have a mag problem (which I doubt)
Gene
On Dec 9, 2012, at 11:11 PM, "taildrags" wrote:
>
> First, let's eliminate spark. Yes, the ignition switch was on 'both' when starting
attempts were made. I had to keep going back and forth from the nose to
the cockpit as I would try different things, and anytime the prop required repositioning,
I would kill the mags. The mags are new Slicks with new harnesses,
impulse couplings on both, and as I said, the plugs looked just the right
color. I did not gap them though.
>
> Now let's talk fuel. Of course I drained samples from the gascolator several
times after washing the airplane since the "bent rod and cork" fuel level system
requires that there be an open hole in the fuel cap, and another right next
to it for a vent. I drained a very, very small amount of water from the gascolator
on the first check and none thereafter. I also drained a bit of fuel
into a plastic tote (to fuel up the Triumph), so it was flowing well and should
be clean. Fuel valve was on when starting attempts were made.
>
> Last item is air. I must admit that I didn't pull the air filter to check for
obstructions, but I should do that since it's about due for a good cleaning
and re-oiling after the dusty time it just had in Texas. I'll have to admit that
the mixture may have been running rich if the filter is obstructed.
>
> I'll give it some more attempts before I give up and ship the machine back to
Texas. It always started easily down there ;o)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
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>
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Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
What is the purpose of the 1/16 by 2 plywood rib braces? Once glued to the ribs
it seems to me like they're just hangin out there.
John
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Subject: | Re: hand propping |
From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Did fuel ever drip from the carb? With all of that work, I would imagine it would
be likely to get a few drops which would at least eliminate fuel starvation
as a cause. Your float valve could be stuck closed, and you'd have no fuel
despite all these efforts.
Next, it would seem the only thing you haven't checked into would be the mag switch
and p-lead wiring. Switches do have a life consisting of a certain number
of operations, after which, they quit working. Doesn't seem likely, but worth
confirming.
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Subject: | Re: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol |
From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi PF - Please pass on Shelley & my congratulations to Don.
Thanks
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
John,
This is just my speculation as this is John Dilatush's design modification.
The 2 inch strip provides for extra surface area for attaching the fabric
and for gluing the rib braces in place. I think this would also serve as
support for the wing root gap covers.
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:40 AM, John Francis wrote:
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> What is the purpose of the 1/16 by 2 plywood rib braces? Once glued to
> the ribs it seems to me like they're just hangin out there.
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> John
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> John Francis
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Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
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From: | Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
I think glue the cover over it, in a big surface, and help the ribb from
the tension do it when you shrink the clothe
Mario Giacummo
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2012/12/10 John Francis
>
> What is the purpose of the 1/16 by 2 plywood rib braces? Once glued to
> the ribs it seems to me like they're just hangin out there.
>
> John
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> John Francis
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390161#390161
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_ply_brace_112_199.jpg
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Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
John it is necessary for sure. It keeps the root rib from flexing outward towards
the tip when shrinking your fabric.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Dec 10, 2012, at 9:40 AM, "John Francis" wrote:
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> What is the purpose of the 1/16 by 2 plywood rib braces? Once glued to the ribs
it seems to me like they're just hangin out there.
>
> John
>
> --------
> John Francis
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390161#390161
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_ply_brace_112_199.jpg
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Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Is it just the stiffness of the plywood glued to the cap strip that prevents it
from bending?
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John Francis
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Subject: | Re: First flight of Don Harpers new Pietenpol |
From: | Robert Bush <rbush96589(at)aol.com> |
Hi PF,
Tell Don congrats for me. Y'all are gonna have to fly to Brodhead and stop b
y tn and I'll fly with you!
Randy Bush
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 9, 2012, at 3:35 PM, "Barnwell Regional Airport" wrote:
> Pietenpolers,
>
> Yesterday, Don Harpers new Pietenpol went for it's first flight.
>
> After two circuits of the airport, several of the engine instruments were n
ot reading correctly, the plane was landed and the problems will be correcte
d before the next flight.
>
> More information to follow as flight testing continues.
>
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Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Yes, 2 inches at 90 degrees is very rigid.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Dec 10, 2012, at 12:57 PM, "John Francis" wrote:
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> Is it just the stiffness of the plywood glued to the cap strip that prevents
it from bending?
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Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Don't think I would have admitted to 2", but if it works....
Gene
On Dec 10, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Jack wrote:
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> Yes, 2 inches at 90 degrees is very rigid.
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
> On Dec 10, 2012, at 12:57 PM, "John Francis" wrote:
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>> Is it just the stiffness of the plywood glued to the cap strip that prevents
it from bending?
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