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Subject: Where are you guys finding your instruments?
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 03, 2013
I see many of you are obtaining used instruments for your birds. Where does one shop for used aircraft VFR flight instruments? New would be nice, but I'm broke with a big desire to keep building... :) Thanks for the secret store location. It's safe with me... Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391587#391587 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Progress!! One wing is painted
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Jan 04, 2013
Me too... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 3, 2013, at 8:18 PM, "Chris Rusch" wrote: > > It can't be anybody's secret color....I had it custom mixed!! > > -------- > NX321LR > Fully Assembled > Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted. > Wings covered and primed, one painted > Mitsubishi Powered > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391577#391577 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Where are you guys finding your instruments?
Date: Jan 04, 2013
Oshkosh and Sun 'n' Fun have any number of vendors selling used instruments. Ebay is also a good source (where I bought most of mine). Look under aviation parts in eBay Motors. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 1:12 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Where are you guys finding your instruments? I see many of you are obtaining used instruments for your birds. Where does one shop for used aircraft VFR flight instruments? New would be nice, but I'm broke with a big desire to keep building... :) Thanks for the secret store location. It's safe with me... Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391587#391587 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Where are you guys finding your instruments?
Date: Jan 04, 2013
Mark, I bought an altimeter, oil pressure gauge, and oil temperature gauge from people on this list. The compass came from E-bay. Had to buy the airspeed indicator and tachometer new. Got the Stewart Warner tach and the tooth-counter type pickup. Hope all those used instruments work. Haven't gotten quite far enough along to check them out. C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 1:12 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Where are you guys finding your instruments? > > > I see many of you are obtaining used instruments for your birds. > > Where does one shop for used aircraft VFR flight instruments? New would be > nice, but I'm broke with a big desire to keep building... :) > > Thanks for the secret store location. It's safe with me... > > Mark > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391587#391587 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Where are you guys finding your instruments?
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jan 04, 2013
Check around your field or EAA chapter... a lot of the old timers have drawers full of this stuff. Plus, with the glass instruments becoming so prominent there are a lot of perfectly good instruments laying around for cheap. If you put the word out, things will show up. So far I have an airspeed indicator, single hand altimeter an old primer from a BT-19 (Wagner I think) and a 1916 S.E.5a clinometer (cast from an original), all for the very affordable price of ZERO dollars. Many of the older builders enjoy helping another builder, and I think some of them are actually starting to realize that they'll never have a need for ALL those old instruments. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391602#391602 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jan 04, 2013
Subject: Re: Where are you guys finding your instruments?
On most certified aircraft (I have an old Vtail Bonanza) it is now cheaper to replace all instruments with a basic glass cockpit than to go with those old fashoned "Steam Guages." However for me it is still not cheaper to replace a steam guage than it is to repair a steam guage. But that is changing, There are slowly becoming fewer and fewer shops that repair old steam guages. This may result in a lot of steam guages being availaible for classics like the Piet. Blue Skies, Steve D You could go electronic but it will change the looks of the cockpit. I may try to replace my steam guage Artificial Horizon with a Dynon D1 portable panel (a fancy Glass AH) It is as portable as a handheld GPS http://dynonavionics.com/docs/D1_Intro.html The Dynon D1 will provide a Artificial horizon, GPS based track, altitude, and ground speed and a skid ball. also of interest is a Trutrack Artificial horizon and PFD http://trutrakap.com/products/Pictorial_Turn_and_Bank.html Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net> Date: Friday, January 4, 2013 9:09 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where are you guys finding your instruments? > > Check around your field or EAA chapter... a lot of the old timers have drawers full of this stuff. Plus, with the glass instruments > becoming so prominent there are a lot of perfectly good > instruments laying around for cheap. If you put the word out, > things will show up. > > So far I have an airspeed indicator, single hand altimeter an old > primer from a BT-19 (Wagner I think) and a 1916 S.E.5a clinometer > (cast from an original), all for the very affordable price of ZERO > dollars. Many of the older builders enjoy helping another > builder, and I think some of them are actually starting to realize > that they'll never have a need for ALL those old instruments. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working > on Landing Gear > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391602#391602 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Where are you guys finding your instruments?
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 04, 2013
Thanks guys! Didn't even think of ebay... Doah! And Mark... It was cuz I was surfing your build site that I saw the instruments you have and posted the question :D I thought "where's he getting these anyway?" So, I will surf ebay and my local EAA buddies. Good stuff. Thanks again! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391622#391622 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Pics of BHP #10 Model T powered 1st "Sky Scout"
Date: Jan 04, 2013
My email address is: raykrause(at)frontiernet.net. I left the last "t" off the previous time I sent the address! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Jan 3, 2013, at 8:21 PM, "TaiwanTeacher" wrote: > > > raykrause(at)frontiernet. wrote: >> Orin, >> >> I would love to have them and will pay whatever is needed to accomplish this. I will be sure they end up available to the Piet folks in the future. You can contact me directly. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray Krause >> Raykrause(at)frontiernet.ne >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad > > > Your email addy, as typed in, doesn't work. > > -------- > Pietenpol's Forever! > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391584#391584 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Subject: Stud Update
Date: Jan 04, 2013
No not me guys, O'Reilly's sourced the stud for my carb intake-airbox... Jack DQoNCg0KU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IGlQYWQNCkphY2sgVGV4dG9y ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stud Update
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 04, 2013
I was about to say, "Quit braggin'", but then you clarified. [Laughing] -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391630#391630 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 05, 2013
From: JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Jack T
Jack, Did you spray, roll, or brush? Did you use Latex Paint or an aircraft finish product? As usual your workmanship is top notch! Joe Swithin Morris, IL ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jack T
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Jan 05, 2013
Hi Joe, have not started covering, you may have me mixed up with Chris Rusch ?? Who recently posted wing pictures. I do plan to use latex... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 5, 2013, at 7:09 AM, JOSEPH SWITHIN wrote: > Jack, > Did you spray, roll, or brush? Did you use Latex Paint or an aircraft fini sh product? As usual your workmanship is top notch! > > Joe Swithin > Morris, IL > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Max Hegler <maxhegler(at)msn.com>
Subject: USAF SR-71
Date: Jan 05, 2013
Not to prolong non-Pietenpol subjects=2C I just thought you might like to k now that SR-71 pilots were not necessarily the top of their class in pilot training. Two SR-71 pilots graduated in my pilot training class. Jim Jiggin s and Dan House. Jim graduated number 1 and was also a Thunderbird pilot wh en they flew T-38s. Dan graduated at the bottom of the class and first flew EC-47's in SEA. The SR-71 was an amazing creation=2C but not necessarily t he most fun plane to fly... Max > From: awmacklem(at)cox.net > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: USAF SR-71 > Date: Wed=2C 2 Jan 2013 17:29:35 -0600 > > As a former USAF officer (non-rated) I am completely humbled by this > officer's account. It's in MS Word so I hope the photos will transmit. > > Allan Macklem > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: USAF SR-71
From: "regchief" <kbosley(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jan 05, 2013
I served for 17 years as a KC-135 crew chief, four of them at Beale working in the SR-71 program. Now I am building a Pietenpol, along with the cadets in my Civil air patrol squadron as an aerospace education project. The world has a funny way of traveling in circles, but i think its important we never forget our roots Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391668#391668 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: USAF SR-71
Date: Jan 05, 2013
Where are you located now. Sounds like a great project for the kids. If y ou are still on the west coast we would like to have you be part of the wes t coast piet group. Vic 414MV Central California > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: USAF SR-71 > From: kbosley(at)comcast.net > Date: Sat=2C 5 Jan 2013 09:41:52 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > I served for 17 years as a KC-135 crew chief=2C four of them at Beale wor king in the SR-71 program. Now I am building a Pietenpol=2C along with the cadets in my Civil air patrol squadron as an aerospace education project. T he world has a funny way of traveling in circles=2C but i think its importa nt we never forget our roots > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391668#391668 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Small Radiator for sale
From: Bryce Reid <1rciokc(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 05, 2013
> > Hello everyone, > > I have an radiator for sale that I am not going to use for my Pietenpol en gine > > The approximate size is 14.5. X 19 x 2 > > I would like $35 plus shipping for it. > > Just call or email if you are Interested > > Bryce 405-748-0781 > 1rciokc(at)gmail.com > > > >

      
      
      
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Subject: Re: USAF SR-71
From: "regchief" <kbosley(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jan 05, 2013
Hey Vic, I have been back in Colorado for over a year now, but surely do miss being in California. Mike had given me the idea if i ever did some building with cadets, to let them sign the ribs they help make with a pen, so there names will forever be in the plane. I brought in the plans and my rib jig at a december meeting, and the kids eyes were like saucers. I hope to be ready to build some ribs by the fourth meeting of this month, to keep the kids interested. We hope to visit California more often , Lord permitting, and maybe get back to the next west coast reunion. It was great meeting all you folks. Kelly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391679#391679 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: USAF SR-71
Date: Jan 05, 2013
We missed you last year=2C had hoped everything was good with you. Hope yo u have a good job in Colorado and are able to spend time with the family. It must have been hard to be appart so much. Keep us up to date and keep i n touch. Vic=2C Ps Mike has about 35 hours on the Piet now. I will get t o fly next spring. Will have to watch the fuel level to stay within gross with my bulk. VG > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: USAF SR-71 > From: kbosley(at)comcast.net > Date: Sat=2C 5 Jan 2013 14:11:48 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > Hey Vic=2C > I have been back in Colorado for over a year now=2C but surely do miss be ing in California. Mike had given me the idea if i ever did some building w ith cadets=2C to let them sign the ribs they help make with a pen=2C so the re names will forever be in the plane. I brought in the plans and my rib ji g at a december meeting=2C and the kids eyes were like saucers. I hope to b e ready to build some ribs by the fourth meeting of this month=2C to keep t he kids interested. We hope to visit California more often =2C Lord permitt ing=2C and maybe get back to the next west coast reunion. It was great meet ing all you folks. > > Kelly > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391679#391679 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stud Update
From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Date: Jan 05, 2013
"bragging" ? Are you kidding! Jack is the most humble guy on this list! But, heck, it's hard to be humble when you can cook brats like Jack. Jack you are da Man! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391694#391694 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Fw: IMPORTANT: E15 Gas Warning
Date: Jan 06, 2013
This was sent to me by a friend and I'm sending it on as a precaution. Don't know if very many states are affected yet but before you pump be sure to check to see what you're pumping! For the airplane drivers among you, this is another good reason to stick with 100LL. C Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 12:38 PM Subject: IMPORTANT: E15 Gas Warning Subject: IMPORTANT: E15 Gas Warning WATCH THE NEWS VIDEO: If your CAR IS OLDER THAN 2012, you need to AVOID THE NEW E15 GAS that is just starting to show up at gas stations. Most car companies will not honor the warranty on your car if you use this new gas. Watch video to see why. http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2000862202001/ Please pass this on to everyone you know. The EPA says "Buy it" and AAA says "Don't buy it." (I agree with AAA (and a lot of other sources that say it is bad, not for just vehicles, but also bad for most engines, including lawn mowers, weed-eaters, and chain saws!) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Model A build question
From: "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com>
Date: Jan 06, 2013
Question for those in the midwest building/have built a model A Piet. I'm going to use insert bearings for my crank and rods - who in the midwest is competent at machining the block for this? I've heard of Ken Perkins down in Gardner - but that's about a 6 hour drive south of me (I live in central Iowa). That's a bit further than I'd prefer to drive is possible. I seem to remember Dan Helsper used somebody in Illinois for this, but can't find the reference. Lorin (Just starting a Model A Sky Scout) -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391708#391708 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Another first flight
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 06, 2013
Fellow Pieters, Yesterday I had the pleasure of making the first flight of EAA chapter 1279's Pietenpol. N1279Z. After a very thorough inspection of all relative documents and of the airplane, it was declared ready to fly. Below is a note from the owner about the day. Congratulations to EAA Chapter 1279. Dear Members, I am happy to report to all of you who have been following progress on the Pietenpol Air Camper project being built at the French Valley Airport by members of EAA Chapter 1279 that the airplane has made its maiden flight. On Saturday, January 5, 2013, long-time Pietenpol owner and pilot Scott Liefield made the trip from his home in Lancaster, California to the French Valley Airport near Temecula, California to do the honors (see photos below). Construction on the airplane was completed in October. DAR John Shablow performed the final inspection on Saturday, October 29, 2012. As part of his inspection, John performed a formal weight and balance calculation before issuing the Certificate of Airworthiness. With all of the paperwork completed and the C of A in hand, the first flight was scheduled for Sunday, November 11. Unfortunately, an engine problem developed which delayed the first flight for a couple of months while we made the appropriate repairs. By the first of the year everyone was satisfied that the airplane was ready to go. Scott and his father arrived early Saturday morning. We all did a thorough inspection of the airframe, making careful notes of anything that needed attention. With the engine cowling in place, we tied the tail down and started the engine. We warmed up the engine before running it up to full throttle for a full two minutes. It ran smoothly and all of the gauges were within normal operational limits. After a brief cockpit check, Scott climbed in, taxied the airplane onto the active runway, and took off. Staying within a mile or so of the field, Scott climbed to three thousand feet and checked the flying characteristics of the airplane. He later reported having to hold in some left rudder during the entire flight. This he thought could be eliminated by offsetting the leading edge of the vertical fin by a half inch. The airplane topped out at 88 miles per hour at full throttle in level flight with the engine turning 3,000 RPM. Scott said that stalls in the airplane were straight ahead with no tendency to fall off on a wing. It recovered normally with simple release of the back pressure. After 30 minutes in the air, Scott returned and made, by his own account, one of his best landings in a long time. A perfect ending to a momentous event. For those of us involved in the building process, it was a moment that brought smiles, hand shakes, and high fives all around. To those of you who have been following our progress through these regular updates or through our chapter website, we thank you for your interest and your encouragement. Now we begin a new chapter in the history of Pietenpol Air Camper N1279Z. The airplane will continue to be based at French Valley and will forever be associated with EAA Chapter 1279. It is our hope that wherever we go with the airplane, it will provide inspiration to others pursuing their own dreams of building and flying their own airplane. Blue skies! Steve Williamson, Pres. EAA Chapter 1279 French Valley, CA -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391709#391709 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another first flight
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 06, 2013
Pic -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391710#391710 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1030415_174.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 3-piece Windshields
From: "caldwrl" <caldwrl(at)etex.net>
Date: Jan 06, 2013
Jack, Much like Mark, when I received the newsletter and read the article, I am now leaning to this style of windshield. It is a great article, but I would love to see the photos in detail. Could you perhaps attach them to an email to this list, or to me personally? I would really appreciate the effort. I am attaching a recent photo for the list to see my progress. 90% complete and 90% to go. Thanks, -------- Robert Caldwell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391718#391718 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02093_190.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: 3-piece Windshields
Date: Jan 06, 2013
Robert, Extremely nice! How did you build the head rest and how is it attached to the turtle deck? Any photos? I am 6'4" and my head is quite a bit above the turtle deck on my Sky Scout, I have mused over a separate headrest, but cannot decide how to do one. Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Jan 6, 2013, at 1:37 PM, "caldwrl" wrote: > > Jack, > > Much like Mark, when I received the newsletter and read the article, I am now leaning to this style of windshield. It is a great article, but I would love to see the photos in detail. Could you perhaps attach them to an email to this list, or to me personally? I would really appreciate the effort. > > I am attaching a recent photo for the list to see my progress. 90% complete and 90% to go. > > Thanks, > > -------- > Robert Caldwell > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391718#391718 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02093_190.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jan 06, 2013
My son Ryan and I having some more fun on the skis. We flew over to a nearby airport for lunch. Fortunately for us it's only about 20 minutes away (we were frozen!). Fortunately for you this video is only about 4 minutes or so... :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWAAhgzrOc&feature=youtu.be Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391721#391721 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another first flight
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jan 06, 2013
That is awesome! Nice looking and great to see it was followed through to the finish! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391722#391722 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gerry Holland <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis
Date: Jan 06, 2013
Don Great video....bracing conditions! What Camera did you use? Quality is excellent. Thanks for sharing. Gerry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis
Date: Jan 06, 2013
Love it, Don! We have yet to get enough snow to ski on here in Virginia. Maybe next week! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis My son Ryan and I having some more fun on the skis. We flew over to a nearby airport for lunch. Fortunately for us it's only about 20 minutes away (we were frozen!). Fortunately for you this video is only about 4 minutes or so... :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWAAhgzrOc&feature=youtu.be Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391721#391721 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jan 06, 2013
Gerry, It's a GoPro. Seems like a really nice little camera. I mounted it on a piece of PVC then tie wrapped it to my struts so it is positioned a foot or so behind the trailing edge. With the camera's wide setting it allows the view to go from the cockpit to straight ahead to see where you're going. Lots of fun! Jack... I'm getting to the point during winter when I'm ready spring! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391725#391725 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jan 06, 2013
Don, Ryan looked cold during the flight. He was scrunched down pretty good. Great memories for both of you. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391726#391726 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another first flight
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jan 06, 2013
Way to go! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391731#391731 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis
From: "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net>
Date: Jan 06, 2013
Gotta love it!!! Had my fix last Friday doing off field landings - pick a field, set down and go again - must drive the snowmobilers crazy trying to figure out made the tracks - priceless. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391732#391732 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jan 06, 2013
That would be Windows Live Movie Maker. It's the first time I've ever messed with it. First time I've ever edited a video actually. [Laughing] Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391736#391736 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 06, 2013
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis
Don, I might just have to build a pair for our piet.- This has been the 1 st winter I would be able to use skis for at least 3 years. Shad --- On Sun, 1/6/13, Jack Phillips wrote: From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis Date: Sunday, January 6, 2013, 5:55 PM et> Love it, Don!- We have yet to get enough snow to ski on here in Virginia. Maybe next week! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis My son Ryan and I having some more fun on the skis.- We flew over to a nearby airport for lunch.- Fortunately for us it's only about 20 minutes away (we were frozen!).- Fortunately for you this video is only about 4 minutes or so...- :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWAAhgzrOc&feature=youtu.be Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391721#391721 le, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Orrin D. Hoopman ( grandson of Orrin C Hoopman )
From: "TaiwanTeacher" <maine_sciguy(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 06, 2013
Greetings, All: Today, I will be checking on the attempt at a first print made here in Taiwan from one negative of this set I found. It's a pic of the model aircraft Orrin C. built in the early-30s. Let's hope this works... If so, then I will be offering prints of the two pics of Orrin C. Hoopman's B-4-T #10718 to Piet-People in the "old-fashioned way," by "mail order"... (just like the drawings were offered!) Simply send a check for payment in whatever amount you think meets your needs, financial circumstances, and generosity (along with your mailing address) to my mother in the USA. We are in touch regularly; she will simply deposit the funds into my account in Maine, and make sure I receive your request. This will save all the hassles of international payment processing. Maxine Stanwood 467 Wyman Rd. Milbridge ME 04658 (207) 546-2405 I think you will all enjoy seeing the "original, Model T powered, Sky Scout", complete with fuselage logo and a spinner on its nose. -------- Pietenpol's Forever! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391741#391741 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Model A build question
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 07, 2013
Lorin, I used Antique Engine Rebuilders antiqueenginerebuilding.com. Rich Fallucca is the owner. He is in Skokie IL. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: ldmill <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 6, 2013 1:07 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A build question Question for those in the midwest building/have built a model A Piet. I'm going to use insert bearings for my crank and rods - who in the midwest is compet ent at machining the block for this? I've heard of Ken Perkins down in Gardner - but that's about a 6 hour drive south of me (I live in central Iowa). That's a bit further than I'd prefer to drive is possible. I seem to remember Dan Helspe r used somebody in Illinois for this, but can't find the reference. Lorin (Just starting a Model A Sky Scout) -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391708#391708 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis
From: Steve Emo <steve.emo58(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 07, 2013
Careful shad forecast is melting Steve On Jan 6, 2013, at 11:28 PM, shad bell wrote: > > Don, I might just have to build a pair for our piet. This has been the 1s t winter I would be able to use skis for at least 3 years. > Shad > > --- On Sun, 1/6/13, Jack Phillips wrote: > > From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Sunday, January 6, 2013, 5:55 PM > net> > > Love it, Don! We have yet to get enough snow to ski on here in Virginia. > Maybe next week! > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:45 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis > > > My son Ryan and I having some more fun on the skis. We flew over to a > nearby airport for lunch. Fortunately for us it's only about 20 minutes > away (we were frozen!). Fortunately for you this video is only about 4 > minutes or so... :D > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWAAhgzrOc&feature=youtu.be > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391721#391721http://www.matr the Web nbsp; -Matt matronics.com/contribution" target=_ blank>http://www.matronics.com/contri============= == > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jan 07, 2013
Shad, If you can find some old wood water skis I think they would work great as bottoms. If you wrap them in fiberglass like the wood canoe guys do, they'd be almost indestructible. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391762#391762 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 07, 2013
Subject: CENTER SECTION WEIGHT
MY COMPLETED "C" SECTION WEIGHT IS 31 POUNDS, THIS INCLUDES ALUMINUN FUEL TANK,SIGHT GAUGE AND PLUMBING.THIS ALSO INCLUDES A KT 76 AND BOX MOUNTED ON THE BOTTOM SIDE PLUS ANTENNA ON THE TOP COVER FOR THE TANK IS ALUMINUM AND USED AS A GROUND PLANE . THIS WAS WEIGHED WITH DIGITAL SCALES THAT READ TO 400 POUNDS. I AM ALSO GOING TO USE THESE SCALES TO MEASURE THE THRUST FROM MY CORVAIR ENGINE WITH THE TENNESSEE PROP. TED STONE WILMINGTON, NC ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Allan Macklem" <awmacklem(at)cox.net>
Subject: CENTER SECTION WEIGHT
Date: Jan 07, 2013
Ted, sounds like an accomplishment needing recognition. "Good on you!" I'm sure people on the list (in addition to me) would value some pictures of your progress. Allan Macklem Elkhorn, NE From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TGSTONE236(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 12:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: CENTER SECTION WEIGHT MY COMPLETED "C" SECTION WEIGHT IS 31 POUNDS, THIS INCLUDES ALUMINUN FUEL TANK,SIGHT GAUGE AND PLUMBING.THIS ALSO INCLUDES A KT 76 AND BOX MOUNTED ON THE BOTTOM SIDE PLUS ANTENNA ON THE TOP COVER FOR THE TANK IS ALUMINUM AND USED AS A GROUND PLANE . THIS WAS WEIGHED WITH DIGITAL SCALES THAT READ TO 400 POUNDS. I AM ALSO GOING TO USE THESE SCALES TO MEASURE THE THRUST FROM MY CORVAIR ENGINE WITH THE TENNESSEE PROP. TED STONE WILMINGTON, NC ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pics of BHP #10 Model T powered 1st "Sky Scout"
From: "TaiwanTeacher" <maine_sciguy(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 07, 2013
Greetings, All: Today, I will be checking on the attempt at a first print made here in Taiwan from one negative of this set I found. It's a pic of the model aircraft Orrin C. built in the early-30s. Let's hope this works... If so, then I will be offering prints of the two pics of Orrin C. Hoopman's B-4-T #10718 to Piet-People in the "old-fashioned way," by "mail order"... (just like the drawings were offered!) Due to the circumstances, I'm placing this activity in God's Hands. I request only that you send a check for payment in whatever amount you think meets your needs for prints, your financial circumstances, and your generosity (please include your mailing address) to my mother in the USA. We are in touch regularly; she will simply deposit the funds into my account in Maine, and make sure I receive your request. This will save all the hassles of international payment processing. Maxine Stanwood 467 Wyman Rd. Milbridge ME 04658 (207) 546-2405 I think you will all enjoy seeing the "original, Model T powered, Sky Scout", complete with fuselage logo, tail number, and a spinner on its nose. UPDATE: The test print (a glossy) seems to have come out well enough. I'm ready to go... Anybody want prints? Please, also specify the size; 8x10 maximum for mailing. -------- Pietenpol's Forever! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391775#391775 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 07, 2013
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: GN-1 For Sale
There is a GN-1 Aircamper for sale at our airport, Prairie Aire 4TA0, Needville, TX (near Houston). The plane belongs to Jim Sury and you can see a couple of pix at West Coast Piet: http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jim%20Sury%20GN1/pictures.htm This GN-1 has a Continental C-85 but the engine has some issues and Jim hasn't decided whether to sell it as is or to repair it. Jim also has a project plane for sale, that being a Turner T-40. The basic wood construction is complete and he has a Corvair engine mount for it. If you are interested, please email me offline at jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com John Franklin Prairie Aire 4TA0 Needville, TX ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GN-1 For Sale
From: Rampeyboy <rampeyboy(at)aol.com>
Date: Jan 07, 2013
How much for the GN1? What does the engine need? Anything else needing atte ntion? Total hours and age? Thanks! Boyce -----Original Message----- From: jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com Sent: Mon, Jan 7, 2013 2:16 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 For Sale There is a GN-1 Aircamper for sale at our airport, Prairie Aire 4TA0, Needv ille, TX (near Houston). The plane belongs to Jim Sury and you can see a couple of pix at West Coast Piet: http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jim%20Sury%20GN1/pictures.htm This GN-1 has a Continental C-85 but the engine has some issues and Jim has n't decided whether to sell it as is or to repair it. Jim also has a project plane for sale, that being a Turner T-40. The basic wood construction is complete and he has a Corvair engine mount for it. If you are interested, please email me offline at jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com John Franklin Prairie Aire 4TA0 Needville, TX ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Headrest
From: "caldwrl" <caldwrl(at)etex.net>
Date: Jan 07, 2013
Ray Krause asked me about the headrest I have fabricated, so I thought I would start a new topic for it. First, I built my turtle deck about 2" higher than the drawing call for. Because I really like the look of the headrest I decided to add one. I applied a base of 1/16" ply on the turtle deck as an attachment point for the headrest. I roughed out the shape and size and made a plug or form to lay up the fiber glass. The plug is made from laminated construction foam sheet. Laminations glued together with 3M spray adhesive. I added a 1/4" ply sheet to the front of the plug for attaching a foam cushion. I used clear packing tape as a mold release. (Can't say enough about having the Bingelis books as how-to's) I wanted a flange around the base of the headrest in order to facilitate attaching to the deck. I left the foam plug inside the fiber glass shell after completing it for additional stiffness and strength. It added very little weight. The shell was smoothed with sanding and filler and primed. As yet the headrest is not permanently attached, but I think T88 will do the trick and when covered with the Ceconite, all will blend well. Pics attached. -------- Robert Caldwell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391782#391782 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc05873a_373.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc05894a_666.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc05884a_167.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Headrest
Date: Jan 08, 2013
Robert, Thanks for all the info on the headrest. I am saving it for later. Should be doing that this spring. Keep working, you plane looks great. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Jan 7, 2013, at 6:12 PM, "caldwrl" wrote: > > Ray Krause asked me about the headrest I have fabricated, so I thought I would start a new topic for it. First, I built my turtle deck about 2" higher than the drawing call for. Because I really like the look of the headrest I decided to add one. I applied a base of 1/16" ply on the turtle deck as an attachment point for the headrest. I roughed out the shape and size and made a plug or form to lay up the fiber glass. The plug is made from laminated construction foam sheet. Laminations glued together with 3M spray adhesive. I added a 1/4" ply sheet to the front of the plug for attaching a foam cushion. I used clear packing tape as a mold release. (Can't say enough about having the Bingelis books as how-to's) I wanted a flange around the base of the headrest in order to facilitate attaching to the deck. I left the foam plug inside the fiber glass shell after completing it for additional stiffness and strength. It added very little weight. The shell was smoothed wit! > h sanding and filler and primed. As yet the headrest is not permanently attached, but I think T88 will do the trick and when covered with the Ceconite, all will blend well. Pics attached. > > -------- > Robert Caldwell > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391782#391782 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc05873a_373.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc05894a_666.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc05884a_167.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another first flight
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 08, 2013
Hello all, Now that I have a couple of minutes I will give you a pilot report on this new plane. With the help of some of the guys on this list I had a great understanding as what to expect from the Corvair engine. You guys know who you are and I say thank you. This plane is the one that EAA Chapter 1279 brought to brodhead a few years ago, uncovered. Those who were there should remember it. It is a short fuselage and Corvair powered. The weight and balance was performed and it is tail heavy like most others. 16 lbs of lead was bolted to the front of the engine mount and for my weight (225 lbs ouch) I put 46 lbs more in the front cockpit against the firewall. It work out nearly perfect since I only needed about 1/4 pound of forward pressure on the stick for level flight. The planes empty weight is 765 lbs, 62 lbs of lead, 225 lb pilot and 80 lbs of fuel. Total 1132 lbs for the first flight. Wow, I guess I should loose some weight. Anyway, I broke ground in less than 300 feet. It climbed at a decent rate, no heavy wings and all gauges were normal so I climbed to 1500 feet AGL, 3000 ASL and orbited the airport for 30 minutes. Performed shallow turns then steepened them slowly up to 60 degree banked turns both direction. All is good except that the rudder offset needs to be corrected for the thrust of the engine. I then did a couple of slips both right and left, good. Two power off stalls (straight ahead with no wing drop) and then full power straight and level. I was very happy after these maneuvers and returned for a three point landing. Ground handling is also considered great. I provided provided the owners with the numbers I had seen on all the gauges and a small to do list before they start flying it themselves. It was a great first flight and I expect to see them flying around California for many years. Thanks again to all who helped, happy landings, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391807#391807 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert Dewenter" <rdewenter(at)woh.rr.com>
Subject: For what its worth - Piet Stats at FAA
Date: Jan 08, 2013
I wonder just how many Pietenpol / Sky Scouts are CURRENTLY being built and not yet registered with the FAA?? Anyhow, here are some useless tidbits about the current fleet of registered Piets/Scouts. Somehow I think Jack Phillips (or is it John?) is going to have a field day with this.... According to current FAA registration data there are about 350 Pietenpol(s) currently registered in the USA Of those, 15 are "Sky Scouts". Wisconsin has the most at 25. There are about 109 Pietenpol aircraft records without current FAA registrations bringing the total known to the FAA (and at one time registered) to around 459 Pietenpol/Sky Scouts give or take a few as there were some duplicate records and apparently "lost/destroyed" are no longer in the database. Of those listing an engine, the most popular engine was (sit down) the A&C 65 - 78 of them (what a shocker) and a total of 108 Continentals. There are 40 "Conversions" and I am guessing those are the Corvair and Fords (mostly) and only 1 radial listed (hhhhmmm...who could that be?) Here is a rough listing of Pietenpol engines by type (not all registrations noted an engine) O-145 5 O-200 9 O-235 2 O-290 4 O-320 1 4AC1 6 A&C 65 78 A&C 75 14 A&C 80 1 A&C 85 15 ALL MDLS A/B 5 Conversion 41 Funk E 2 GO-140 10 R-2800 1 Here is the Pietenpol / Scout count by state NH 1 ID 1 LA 1 MA 1 SD 1 RI 1 DE 1 CT 2 KY 2 MD 2 ME 2 WY 2 ND 2 AL 2 AK 2 WV 3 NM 3 MT 3 CO 3 UT 3 NE 3 AR 5 OR 5 SC 5 NJ 6 NC 6 WA 6 KS 7 TN 7 AZ 7 MI 8 VA 10 OK 10 NY 10 IA 11 GA 11 IN 12 IL 12 PA 15 MO 18 OH 20 MN 20 FL 24 CA 24 TX 24 WI 25 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: For what its worth - Piet Stats at FAA
Date: Jan 08, 2013
Robert, if you are starting a compilation of Piets under construction, here is my data. Long, wood fuselage with Keri-Ann Price RH front door, WW conversion Corvair engine with Weseman 5th bearing and Cloud Cars prop, will have wooden landing gear struts with 800:600 wheels with Matco brakes (toe operated from the rear seat only), steel wing struts made from Taylorcraft struts, wings have ribs from a set of GN-1 plans (I was told that the GN-1 airfoil gave better rate of climb than the original Pietenpol airfoil). Hope to fly by the end of summer 2013. Ohhh -- gotta get hot! Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Dewenter" <rdewenter(at)woh.rr.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 3:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: For what its worth - Piet Stats at FAA > > > I wonder just how many Pietenpol / Sky Scouts are CURRENTLY being built > and > not yet registered with the FAA?? > > Anyhow, here are some useless tidbits about the current fleet of > registered > Piets/Scouts. Somehow I think Jack Phillips (or is it John?) is going to > have a field day with this.... > > According to current FAA registration data there are about 350 > Pietenpol(s) > currently registered in the USA Of those, 15 are "Sky Scouts". Wisconsin > has > the most at 25. > > There are about 109 Pietenpol aircraft records without current FAA > registrations bringing the total known to the FAA (and at one time > registered) to around 459 Pietenpol/Sky Scouts give or take a few as there > were some duplicate records and apparently "lost/destroyed" are no longer > in > the database. > > Of those listing an engine, the most popular engine was (sit down) the A&C > 65 - 78 of them (what a shocker) and a total of 108 Continentals. There > are > 40 "Conversions" and I am guessing those are the Corvair and Fords > (mostly) > and only 1 radial listed (hhhhmmm...who could that be?) > > Here is a rough listing of Pietenpol engines by type (not all > registrations > noted an engine) > > O-145 5 > O-200 9 > O-235 2 > O-290 4 > O-320 1 > 4AC1 6 > A&C 65 78 > A&C 75 14 > A&C 80 1 > A&C 85 15 > ALL MDLS A/B 5 > Conversion 41 > Funk E 2 > GO-140 10 > R-2800 1 > > > Here is the Pietenpol / Scout count by state > > NH 1 > ID 1 > LA 1 > MA 1 > SD 1 > RI 1 > DE 1 > CT 2 > KY 2 > MD 2 > ME 2 > WY 2 > ND 2 > AL 2 > AK 2 > WV 3 > NM 3 > MT 3 > CO 3 > UT 3 > NE 3 > AR 5 > OR 5 > SC 5 > NJ 6 > NC 6 > WA 6 > KS 7 > TN 7 > AZ 7 > MI 8 > VA 10 > OK 10 > NY 10 > IA 11 > GA 11 > IN 12 > IL 12 > PA 15 > MO 18 > OH 20 > MN 20 > FL 24 > CA 24 > TX 24 > WI 25 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Daniel Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: mechanical tach
Date: Jan 08, 2013
If using the mechanical drive off the oil pump like Bernard did, which way does the tach need to rotate, to the right or left? Will any mechanical tach work? Dennis ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Tail ski
From: "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net>
Date: Jan 08, 2013
This penetrating wheel/ski design might be of interest to the few Piet owners out there that operate off skis in the winter. I found that this setup sort of gives the best of both worlds allowing the plane to be moved easily in the hanger and acts as a brake plus great directional control on hard packed snow. In soft deep snow is where the ski will shine as opposed to a tail wheel alone. I apologize for the size of the picture files as they are off my iPhone and not sure how to resize if even possible!;) -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391851#391851 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_278.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_133.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Model A build question
From: "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com>
Date: Jan 08, 2013
Thanks Dan/Brett! That helps a bunch. Finished my Sonex/Waiex in September, started a Sky Scout project last month and am enjoying learning something new - the Model A! Lorin -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391857#391857 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Daniel Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: mechanical tach
Date: Jan 08, 2013
Oops...that doesn=99t sound right. I =98ll try again. which way is the tach cable driven on most aircraft tachs? Does the cable turn clockwise or counterclockwise and are tachs available in which the cable rotates the same? Does this make sense? Dennis ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 08, 2013
Subject: Re: mechanical tach
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Hi Dennis, Mitchell sells mechanical tachs in both CW and CCW flavors. You can also get a 90 degree angle drive that allows you to reverse the rotation. So, there are a many ways to skin this cat. On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Daniel Engelkenjohn wr ote: > Oops...that doesn=92t sound right. I =91ll try again. which way is the tach > cable driven on most aircraft tachs? Does the cable turn clockwise or > counterclockwise and are tachs available in which the cable rotates the > same? Does this make sense? > Dennis > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO NX114D(Mountain Piet) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 08, 2013
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis
If I do that, I will be puttting taller windshields on...for sure.- Dad k ept them small, for the look I guess. When it gets cold, I am loosening the shoulder harness and leaning forward as much as I can to stay warm.- I h ave flown a couple of times in snow flurries, just around the pattern, and flown it down in the 20's once or twice.- I am so bundled up in insulated coveralls, ski mask and goggles, and leather jacket that I almost need to be lifted into the airplane.- That set-up gets me about 20-30 min. before I need to land and jump in the fireplace to thaw out. - Shad --- On Mon, 1/7/13, Don Emch wrote: From: Don Emch <EmchAir(at)aol.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis Date: Monday, January 7, 2013, 11:17 AM Shad, If you can find some old wood water skis I think they would work great as b ottoms.- If you wrap them in fiberglass like the wood canoe guys do, they 'd be almost indestructible. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391762#391762 le, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis
Date: Jan 08, 2013
I'm like you, Shad. I wish my windshield was about 2" taller. I have cabin heat, and a cover for the front cockpit so everything stays pretty warm except my face. 20 minutes into a flight when the temps are in the 40's or lower and I can't feel my face anymore. Ought to be able to get the Piet in the air this weekend, though. Forecast for Saturday and Sunday has clear skies and highs in the 70's. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis If I do that, I will be puttting taller windshields on...for sure. Dad kept them small, for the look I guess. When it gets cold, I am loosening the shoulder harness and leaning forward as much as I can to stay warm. I have flown a couple of times in snow flurries, just around the pattern, and flown it down in the 20's once or twice. I am so bundled up in insulated coveralls, ski mask and goggles, and leather jacket that I almost need to be lifted into the airplane. That set-up gets me about 20-30 min. before I need to land and jump in the fireplace to thaw out. Shad --- On Mon, 1/7/13, Don Emch wrote: From: Don Emch <EmchAir(at)aol.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis Date: Monday, January 7, 2013, 11:17 AM <http://us.mc1612.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=EmchAir@aol.com> > Shad, If you can find some old wood water skis I think they would work great as bottoms. If you wrap them in fiberglass like the wood canoe guys do, they'd be almost indestructible. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391762#391762 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol; <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - <http://forums.matronics.com/> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: For what its worth - Piet Stats at FAA
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jan 08, 2013
Jack Textor has a current registry (as of 2011) with over 100 listed builders. Perhaps he will chime in... seems that there may be 15 - 20 people that have come around since he last updated his database. [/code] -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391872#391872 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis
Date: Jan 08, 2013
Jack and Shad Be a bit careful in making your windshiel any taller. I made mine taller about 19" tall, but I have gone thru a lot of windshields, I broke 3 last summer alone. Now I tried building a frame and thank you Jack for the article in the BPA news letter that was great I was just going to try building one. Good luck to both of you. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 8:53 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis I'm like you, Shad. I wish my windshield was about 2" taller. I have cabin heat, and a cover for the front cockpit so everything stays pretty warm except my face. 20 minutes into a flight when the temps are in the 40's or lower and I can't feel my face anymore. Ought to be able to get the Piet in the air this weekend, though. Forecast for Saturday and Sunday has clear skies and highs in the 70's. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:43 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis If I do that, I will be puttting taller windshields on...for sure. Dad kept them small, for the look I guess. When it gets cold, I am loosening the shoulder harness and leaning forward as much as I can to stay warm. I have flown a couple of times in snow flurries, just around the pattern, and flown it down in the 20's once or twice. I am so bundled up in insulated coveralls, ski mask and goggles, and leather jacket that I almost need to be lifted into the airplane. That set-up gets me about 20-30 min. before I need to land and jump in the fireplace to thaw out. Shad --- On Mon, 1/7/13, Don Emch wrote: From: Don Emch <EmchAir(at)aol.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Date: Monday, January 7, 2013, 11:17 AM Shad, If you can find some old wood water skis I think they would work great as bottoms. If you wrap them in fiberglass like the wood canoe guys do, they'd be almost indestructible. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391762#391762 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - http://www.===================== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Model A build question
Date: Jan 08, 2013
Hey, Lorin, So, I build Waiex N51YX and then start building a Sky Scout; then, YOU build Waiex N81YX and shortly thereafter start on a Sky Scout! What the hell goes here??? Guess I had better not trade in my old wife on a newer model! I will be using the A 65 and not the Model T. I purchased the Sky Scout "kit" from a really nice fellow who had collected most everything to build one over a period of 15 years. his wife became ill and He never got started building beyond drawing the fuselage side on the bench (which also came with the kit)! He had all the wood (including 5 spars), almost all the metal, the engine (torn apart but complete with mags and 2 carbs, the prop, a spinner, two new spoked 26" wheels, most instruments, J-3 tank, a complete rib set, all the control horns pre- made, the plans and a collocation of photos and a binder of information..... All for $1,500.00 bucks! And to beat that, he was only 45 miles away! I did not realize what a great deal I got till I started building and buying a few pieces of wood and 4130! So how could I not build a Sky Scout? Why are you building one? Low and Slow? I started 2 years ago and have the tail pieces built and varnished, the left wing is done and all the right wing needs is varnish. The center section is done and the fuselage is on the original plans type gear. All metal parts are done except the engine mount. When I get the right wing varnished, I will bring the fuselage back into the shop and finish it off. I laminated my own cabanes, but may remake them. I might also laminate the main struts, but might use the old struts from the J-3. I may take the EAA fabric class in March at Monterrey. Hope to rig it this summer and then maybe start covering it. Keep flying and building Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 4:49 PM, "ldmill" wrote: > > Thanks Dan/Brett! That helps a bunch. Finished my Sonex/Waiex in September, started a Sky Scout project last month and am enjoying learning something new - the Model A! > > Lorin > > -------- > Lorin Miller > Waiex N81YX > GN-1 N30PP > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391857#391857 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Where are you guys finding your instruments?
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 08, 2013
Interesting concept as an add onto the panel... Thanks! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391877#391877 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Jack it sounds like the cabin heat may be worth the time to install. Does your exhaust into the front cabin? Jack Textor Des Moines, IA _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 8:53 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis I'm like you, Shad. I wish my windshield was about 2" taller. I have cabin heat, and a cover for the front cockpit so everything stays pretty warm except my face. 20 minutes into a flight when the temps are in the 40's or lower and I can't feel my face anymore. Ought to be able to get the Piet in the air this weekend, though. Forecast for Saturday and Sunday has clear skies and highs in the 70's. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis If I do that, I will be puttting taller windshields on...for sure. Dad kept them small, for the look I guess. When it gets cold, I am loosening the shoulder harness and leaning forward as much as I can to stay warm. I have flown a couple of times in snow flurries, just around the pattern, and flown it down in the 20's once or twice. I am so bundled up in insulated coveralls, ski mask and goggles, and leather jacket that I almost need to be lifted into the airplane. That set-up gets me about 20-30 min. before I need to land and jump in the fireplace to thaw out. Shad --- On Mon, 1/7/13, Don Emch wrote: From: Don Emch <EmchAir(at)aol.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis Date: Monday, January 7, 2013, 11:17 AM <http://us.mc1612.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=EmchAir@aol.com> > Shad, If you can find some old wood water skis I think they would work great as bottoms. If you wrap them in fiberglass like the wood canoe guys do, they'd be almost indestructible. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391762#391762 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol; <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - <http://forums.matronics.com/> http://www.===================== <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Re: For what its worth - Piet Stats at FAA
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Mark is correct I do have a list. The list is available to those listed and details will not be posted on the internet. The attached Word file lists the individuals currently on the list. For those listed that need to update their info or anybody that would like to be listed please fill out the attached Excel template file and send to my home email jack(at)textors.com. I will then get you a complete updated list. Thanks, Jack Jack Textor Des Moines, IA -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:04 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: For what its worth - Piet Stats at FAA Jack Textor has a current registry (as of 2011) with over 100 listed builders. Perhaps he will chime in... seems that there may be 15 - 20 people that have come around since he last updated his database. [/code] -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391872#391872 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Yes, I used a cabin heat box from ACS and it just dumps through a 2=94 hole in the firewall into the front cockpit. It does keep my feet warm, and I can stand a good deal of cold if my feet are warm. For cold weather flying I find a good wool balaclava that covers my face to be essential. Dressed very warmly, with a balaclava , the front =91pit covered and cabin heat on I have flown it from Raleigh NC to Smith Mountain Lake VA (a two hour trip) at 35=B0, but to quote Axel Olsen in TGWP, =93I didn=92t like it much!=94 Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 6:09 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis Jack it sounds like the cabin heat may be worth the time to install. Does your exhaust into the front cabin? Jack Textor Des Moines, IA _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 8:53 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis I=92m like you, Shad. I wish my windshield was about 2=94 taller. I have cabin heat, and a cover for the front cockpit so everything stays pretty warm except my face. 20 minutes into a flight when the temps are in the 40=92s or lower and I can=92t feel my face anymore. Ought to be able to get the Piet in the air this weekend, though. Forecast for Saturday and Sunday has clear skies and highs in the 70=92s. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis If I do that, I will be puttting taller windshields on...for sure. Dad kept them small, for the look I guess. When it gets cold, I am loosening the shoulder harness and leaning forward as much as I can to stay warm. I have flown a couple of times in snow flurries, just around the pattern, and flown it down in the 20's once or twice. I am so bundled up in insulated coveralls, ski mask and goggles, and leather jacket that I almost need to be lifted into the airplane. That set-up gets me about 20-30 min. before I need to land and jump in the fireplace to thaw out. Shad --- On Mon, 1/7/13, Don Emch wrote: From: Don Emch <EmchAir(at)aol.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis Date: Monday, January 7, 2013, 11:17 AM <http://us.mc1612.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=EmchAir@aol.com> > Shad, If you can find some old wood water skis I think they would work great as bottoms. If you wrap them in fiberglass like the wood canoe guys do, they'd be almost indestructible. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391762#391762 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol; <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - <http://forums.matronics.com/> http://www.===================== <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Subject: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis
Years ago I wore a silk Baliclava while riding my motorcycle in the Texas Panhandle winters. Thin, light and warm covered my nose. It was split on the side of the lower neck and tucked way down in my shirt front and back, preventing cold air from getting in. Just a thot. Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Just can't seem to get enough of the skis
That's good information to have Jack, as I was hoping to do some winter flying when I get the chance. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com - ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Aviation Ground School
This past Monday I started ground school at Sky Park here in Ohio. I had ta ken ground school back in 1988 and I am learning that I" don't remember wha t I thought I knew!"- This class offers spouses to attend for free, so my wife is going with me. We go every Monday.- It has only been one class s o far, but she seems very determined to stay with it; she plans on taking t he written exam. We were told to start flying ASAP. I believe we are both going to start CFI lessons very soon. This facility has a few tail draggers and instructors, so I, (we?)- are eager to get started. My current plan is do get my LSA license now...it won't take as long and wi ll cost less money. Later, if the need arises or the desire, I will pursue the private license.- My thought,- since I own an LSA,- is along the lines of "I only drive a car, no need to get a trucking license at this poi nt." Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Daniel Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: mechanical tach
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Thanks Greg. That=92s what I was looking for. I didn=92t think anyone would be able to understand what I was trying to say. Dennis From: Greg Bacon Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 7:35 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: mechanical tach Hi Dennis, Mitchell sells mechanical tachs in both CW and CCW flavors. You can also get a 90 degree angle drive that allows you to reverse the rotation. So, there are a many ways to skin this cat. On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Daniel Engelkenjohn wrote: Oops...that doesn=92t sound right. I =91ll try again. which way is the tach cable driven on most aircraft tachs? Does the cable turn clockwise or counterclockwise and are tachs available in which the cable rotates the same? Does this make sense? Dennis " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO NX114D(Mountain Piet) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tail ski
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jan 09, 2013
That's cool. Not sure I need it in Texas, though. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391893#391893 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N number vs NX number
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Paul, The FAA does NOT issue an NX number. They only issue a straight N number. The X can be put on the airplane to eliminate the Words Experimental provided that the plane is more than 30 years old or is a replica of an aircraft more than 30 years old. The Piet is covered by both accounts. None of the aircraft registration will indicate the X you are talking about. All paper work will only show the N number. I am at work and don't have my FAR book with me so I cannot quote which reg it is. Perhaps others on the list have it handy. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391897#391897 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Good plan Michael. Good idea taking wifey with you too! If I were you, I wouldn't mess with private either. The medical is a pain and adds cost. Ya, you won't be able to rent a Cessna, but your building so you don't have to. On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > This past Monday I started ground school at Sky Park here in Ohio. I had > taken ground school back in 1988 and I am learning that I" don't remember > what I thought I knew!" This class offers spouses to attend for free, so > my wife is going with me. We go every Monday. It has only been one class > so far, but she seems very determined to stay with it; she plans on taking > the written exam. > > We were told to start flying ASAP. I believe we are both going to start > CFI lessons very soon. This facility has a few tail draggers and > instructors, so I, (we?) are eager to get started. > > My current plan is do get my LSA license now...it won't take as long and > will cost less money. Later, if the need arises or the desire, I will > pursue the private license. My thought, since I own an LSA, is along the > lines of "I only drive a car, no need to get a trucking license at this > point." > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * > > * > > -- Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO NX114D(Mountain Piet) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N number vs NX number
From: "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com>
Date: Jan 09, 2013
FAR 45.22 (b) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391900#391900 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N number vs NX number
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 09, 2013
That's the one. Thanks -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391901#391901 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Subject: Re: N number vs NX number
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
45.22(b) On Jan 9, 2013 8:56 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> > > Paul, > > The FAA does NOT issue an NX number. They only issue a straight N number. > The X can be put on the airplane to eliminate the Words Experimental > provided that the plane is more than 30 years old or is a replica of an > aircraft more than 30 years old. The Piet is covered by both accounts. > None of the aircraft registration will indicate the X you are talking > about. All paper work will only show the N number. I am at work and don't > have my FAR book with me so I cannot quote which reg it is. Perhaps others > on the list have it handy. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391897#391897 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: mechanical tach
Hello Daniel. I am just checking the status of my tachometer order, per below. Thanks you. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com --- On Tue, 1/8/13, Daniel Engelkenjohn wrote: From: Daniel Engelkenjohn <mushface1(at)gmail.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: mechanical tach Date: Tuesday, January 8, 2013, 5:32 PM If using the mechanical drive off the oil pump like Bernard did, which way does the tach need to rotate, to the right or left? Will any mechanical tach work? Dennis ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
If my wife continues on to get her license as well, that will plant the see d for building another aircraft...for her...8^ [ ) Of course since I will be- building it, I get to decide which type, color , engine,... Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2013
From: santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: Fin and rudder drain holes
Hi everybody!=0AI covered the tail surfaces and I am currently making the d rain holes. My question is, does any of you made =8B=8Bdrain ho les in the fin and rudder? I have seen many pictures looking for this, and I think most people don't have drain holes in the fin, is that correct?=0AT hanks!=0A=0ASantiago=C2-=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Subject: to the bakery I go
Thanks to you guys I now have a taste for Baklava. Ice cold milk and hone y-crunching on Fillo dough. I can almost taste it already. Cleveland has some good ethnic eats and good Baklava is one of them. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
Ah yes, another Pietenpol!- Let's see how her flight training goes first. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: to the bakery I go
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Yeah, that's it Mike, spread the craving-bug around some ;) Kip On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: > Thanks to you guys I now have a taste for Baklava. Ice cold milk > and honey-crunching > on Fillo dough. I can almost taste it already. Cleveland has > some good ethnic eats and > good Baklava is one of them. > > Mike C. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Hey Mike, One point to consider is that you need ten hours of dual for light sport, and twenty for a private. The ten hours you get for your light sport count towards the twenty ONLY IF you get from from a CFI, rather than a light sport instructor. As far as I know, the hourly rate for either instructor is the same, so there's no reason not to make sure they will count later if needed. There is no statute of limitations so to speak, once logged, it's good forever. The tests are different, and about $150, but that's not nearly as big a deal as an extra ten hours of plane and instructor rental, as I don't know of any instructors that'll instruct in a Piet. While you're getting your ten hours, if things are progressing well, get things like the night flight, control tower landings, class B flying (not sure if that's required off the top of my head, but seem to remember it...) out of the way. Again, once logged, you don't have to repeat them, although you'll need something to burn up the additional ten hours anyway (should you upgrade later), so it's not something to fret, just something to keep in mind if you want to maximize efficiency. The biggest problem with the light sport is that you'll need an endorsement to bring the Piet out to Brodhead and for all the airports in between. It's a bit of a pain for cross country flying, a thing designed OUT of the rating essentially. Lastly, the best thing about light sport is the fact you don't need a medical. You can downgrade to light sport on your own and likely will have already made the trip to brodhead and back and have it in your logbook, making an endorsement easier to obtain later on... if you know what I mean. You can go right back to private by merely getting the appropriate physical and a BFR from a CFI (rather than from a light sport instructor), the FAA isn't involved there either (essentially). All just food for thought, not sure how deep you delved into all of this. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391927#391927 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jan 09, 2013
I'm a little ahead of myself but have begun my flight school training as well. I would have done the same as you but the VA won't pay for anything less than the full blown Private Pilot Certification Course part 141. I'll be flying out of Wright Brothers Airport just south of Dayton, OH in a Cessna 152. When I complete the course I will go to Red Stewart Field in Waynesville for my tailwheel endorsement in either an Aeronca or Cub. I start flying on the 19th of this month. Aircraft and instructor are booked! John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391930#391930 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
From: Matthew <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 09, 2013
John, Not sure if you know or not, but anyway Woody Walker at Piqua in the Maint hangar next to hartzell does instruction with his 152, But sounds like you have things under control!! Good luck! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 9, 2013, at 2:39 PM, "John Francis" wrote: > > I'm a little ahead of myself but have begun my flight school training as well. I would have done the same as you but the VA won't pay for anything less than the full blown Private Pilot Certification Course part 141. > > I'll be flying out of Wright Brothers Airport just south of Dayton, OH in a Cessna 152. When I complete the course I will go to Red Stewart Field in Waynesville for my tailwheel endorsement in either an Aeronca or Cub. > > I start flying on the 19th of this month. Aircraft and instructor are booked! > > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391930#391930 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Matthew, I know Woody and that would be a lot easier....just not approved by VA. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391934#391934 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
From: Matthew <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Could you send me your contact down at MGY, if I can get the GI Bill to pay that would be great! Thanks Sent from my iPhone On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:35 PM, "John Francis" wrote: > > Matthew, > > I know Woody and that would be a lot easier....just not approved by VA. > > -------- > John Francis > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391934#391934 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Fin and rudder drain holes
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Hi Santiago, I put drain holes in both fin and rudder. I put seaplane grommets over the holes at the bottom of the rudder, to keep water from splashing up into the holes. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of santiago morete Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 1:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fin and rudder drain holes Hi everybody! I covered the tail surfaces and I am currently making the drain holes. My question is, does any of you made =8B=8Bdrain holes in the fin and rudder? I have seen many pictures looking for this, and I think most people don't have drain holes in the fin, is that correct? Thanks! Santiago ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Hi John isn't that interesting. I drove down all the way from Ontario and got my PPL license at Red stewart in 24 days. The best place in the world...... It's so laid back and very grass roots kind of flying. Start you off in the good ole' J3 Cub or Aeronca. Solo that and then stick you in the C-150 for the rest. I've landed at Wright Bro many of times. Flew and soloed a total of 4 of their planes for less money then anywhere else. I definately recommend them..... All the best Charles Burkholder ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 2:39 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School > > I'm a little ahead of myself but have begun my flight school training as > well. I would have done the same as you but the VA won't pay for anything > less than the full blown Private Pilot Certification Course part 141. > > I'll be flying out of Wright Brothers Airport just south of Dayton, OH in > a Cessna 152. When I complete the course I will go to Red Stewart Field > in Waynesville for my tailwheel endorsement in either an Aeronca or Cub. > > I start flying on the 19th of this month. Aircraft and instructor are > booked! > > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391930#391930 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
Tools, I agree with and have recently read, (out of my new Private Pilot Ma nual and during class), with everything you mentioned. The way I understand it, Sky Park flight instructors are all CFIs. One or maybe two, will give instruction in conventional gear AC, (not sure what type plane yet) I have also read just a little on the LSA restrictions and required endorsements n eeded to go 50 + miles our from home base, etc.- Thanks for your pointers ...I'll be looking for more details as we take more classes and get into th e meat of ground school/flight time further. Day two of school is Monday, i f I get the chance, I will inquire further on conventional gear training, t ype of plane(s) used, etc. - FYI, the fee for the written ground school exam is $140.00.- The entire c ourse including new pilot manual, flight computer, plotter, test book, FAR, etc. was $150.00. - Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
That's very cool John! I hope to get a flight in prior to the end of the month...we'll see. Keep me, (us) posted on how things are going and if you come accross something that you feel I should be aware of as we train, let me know. (I'll do the same.) Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
From: Matthew <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Another one to keep in mind is the recreational certificate. 15 hours dual 1 5 solo, does require a medical but, it's a 1 time cross country sign off. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 9, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > > That's very cool John! I hope to get a flight in prior to the end of the m onth...we'll see. Keep me, (us) posted on how things are going and if you co me accross something that you feel I should be aware of as we train, let me k now. (I'll do the same.) > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Having flown into both Wright Brothers and Red Stewart fields on the way to and from Brodhead in past years, I can heartily endorse Red Stewart as a real airport, friendly to Pietenpols and other "real" airplanes, and have nothing good to say about Wright Brothers, unless you're flying a jet. That's the only place I've ever landed in my Pietenpol that didn't draw at least one curious onlooker. They just seemed kind of bothered that I'd clutter up their ramp with something that wasn't powered with a turbine. I'd go out of my way to land at Red Stewart. Nice (grass) runway, cheap avgas and friendly service. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 2:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School I'm a little ahead of myself but have begun my flight school training as well. I would have done the same as you but the VA won't pay for anything less than the full blown Private Pilot Certification Course part 141. I'll be flying out of Wright Brothers Airport just south of Dayton, OH in a Cessna 152. When I complete the course I will go to Red Stewart Field in Waynesville for my tailwheel endorsement in either an Aeronca or Cub. I start flying on the 19th of this month. Aircraft and instructor are booked! John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391930#391930 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Donna Hanshew, the Manager of Flight Training at Wright Bros. highly recommended Red Stewart Field for all my training outside of this program. Many pilots I know speak of them like you do Jack. That is where I was going to originally get my sport license. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391944#391944 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
John, If you have the option, I would suggest starting in a tail dragger. Then you can switch to the training wheel. I learned in 150s and had a lot of habits to get past. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Burkholder <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net> Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 16:12 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School > > Hi John isn't that interesting. I drove down all the way from Ontario and got my PPL license at Red stewart in 24 days. The best place in the world...... > It's so laid back and very grass roots kind of flying. Start you > off in the good ole' J3 Cub or Aeronca. Solo that and then stick > you in the C-150 for the rest. I've landed at Wright Bro many of > times. Flew and soloed a total of 4 of their planes for less money > then anywhere else. I definately recommend them..... > All the best > Charles Burkholder > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francis" < > To: < > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 2:39 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School > > > > > >I'm a little ahead of myself but have begun my flight school training as well. I would have done the same as you but the VA won't pay for anything less than the full blown Private Pilot Certification Course part 141. > > > >I'll be flying out of Wright Brothers Airport just south of Dayton, OH in a Cessna 152. When I complete the course I will go to Red Stewart Field in Waynesville for my tailwheel endorsement in either an Aeronca or Cub. > > > >I start flying on the 19th of this month. Aircraft and instructor are booked! > > > >John > > > >-------- > >John Francis > > > > > > > > > >Read this topic online here: > > > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391930#391930 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- > >No virus found in this message. > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
Having told you to go with a taildragger first. Sounds like your plan to get into one quickly should work. Don't let people talk down the 152. I owned a 1958 Cessna 150. The fastback straight tail version. It cruised everywhere at 100MPH. very cheap to buy and fly. A lot of guys who will look down their nose at you in a Cessna 152 don't fly their expensive planes very much. Too expensive. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: John Francis <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 13:45 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School > > I'm a little ahead of myself but have begun my flight school training as well. I would have done the same as you but the VA won't pay for > anything less than the full blown Private Pilot Certification > Course part 141. > > I'll be flying out of Wright Brothers Airport just south of Dayton, > OH in a Cessna 152. When I complete the course I will go to Red > Stewart Field in Waynesville for my tailwheel endorsement in either > an Aeronca or Cub. > > I start flying on the 19th of this month. Aircraft and instructor > are booked! > > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391930#391930 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
Date: Jan 09, 2013
I was hanging around Stewart one day talking to one of the instructors and he told me he went to Ohio University and got all of his ratings. Than he came to Waynesville and learned how to fly. Skip > [Original Message] > From: Charles Burkholder <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net> > To: > Date: 1/9/2013 5:07:01 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School > > > Hi John isn't that interesting. I drove down all the way from Ontario and > got my PPL license at Red stewart in 24 days. The best place in the > world...... It's so laid back and very grass roots kind of flying. Start > you off in the good ole' J3 Cub or Aeronca. Solo that and then stick you in > the C-150 for the rest. I've landed at Wright Bro many of times. Flew and > soloed a total of 4 of their planes for less money then anywhere else. I > definately recommend them..... > All the best > Charles Burkholder ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
Date: Jan 09, 2013
You'll obviously need one of these! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BMqRfEu7A4 Way too much fun! Clif Life is uncertain. Eat dessert first If my wife continues on to get her license as well, that will plant the seed for building another aircraft...for her...8^ [ ) Of course since I will be building it, I get to decide which type, color, engine,... Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Fin and rudder drain holes
Date: Jan 09, 2013
Santiago, Drain holes are a good idea any place water might collect. After the infamous rain deluge during Brodhead 2010 NX18235 had water sloshing around in the rudder, elevators and ailerons. I had to poke a few additional holes before I could fly home. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: santiago morete To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fin and rudder drain holes Hi everybody! I covered the tail surfaces and I am currently making the drain holes. My question is, does any of you made =8B=8Bdrain holes in the fin and rudder? I have seen many pictures looking for this, and I think most people don't have drain holes in the fin, is that correct? Thanks! Santiago ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pics of BHP #10 Model T powered 1st "Sky Scout"
From: "TaiwanTeacher" <maine_sciguy(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 09, 2013
UPDATE: First attempt at printing = Not as clear as I would like. Will have to try again. -------- Pietenpol's Forever! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391957#391957 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
From: "onedgerc" <onedgerc(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 09, 2013
I highly recommend Red Stewart Airfrield for your flight training. I started flying there back in 1993. At that time they had 4 J-3, Champ, T-craft, couple 150's , 172, and a couple other airplanes. In my opinion you can't ask for a more interesting experience. I started flying the J-3 Cub and then progressed to the C-150 to get my Private License. I was 18 years old and it was a perfect place for someone like me. They gave me a job in the summer time. I washed planes and mowed many acres of grass, On my first day of work they had me run across the airport and asked a guy for some prop wash ( which was the newbie joke). LOL, but what could have been better at that age. It's a family ran business that has been there since 1946. When you stop into the airport you will more than likely meet Cubby, Kathy, Emerson, Sara,and Dink. Many of my friends learned to fly at Red's and we can't recommend it enough to all the new comers and the ones that want to learn something about grass roots taildraggers. Red Stewart's doesn't have a 141 program so the VA and GI bill's will not work. Going to a flight school like Wright Brothers isn't a bad thing. You can get your ratings fast and once you get finished with all your training, going to Red Stewart's will be a breeze. If you live closer to Columbus. You can check out See Aviation at the Centerburg Airport. Bill See has 2-3 very nice Champs and a C-172. He specializes in Tailwheel instruction. Bill Built a nice bunk house for people that traveled to his airport for instruction. Shad also keeps his Pietenpol at this airport. Here is a picture of one of Waynesvilles/ Red Stewart Cub's/ on skis.. a little long winded, sorry Dewey Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391958#391958 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/waynesville_cub_481.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
Date: Jan 10, 2013
Here in Canuk Land there are four possibilies, Basic UL, Advanced UL, Recreational and Private. In the advanced UL you can fly two seat AC BUT you have to have a full medical ( class3) to do so. I discovered the Reccy only requires the class 4 self declared med! You can fly exactly as with a full Private except for two things, only one pax allowed and no flying outside Canada. Since I'm closing in rapidly on 70 and already have a long unused Private ( 1962 ) why take a chance with a full med if I don't have to. So I've been flying 3 yrs now downsized to reccy. Oh, and have never flown one of them flying thingies with the little wheel on the front. :-) What's up with that? Clif Nature gave man two ends. One to sit on and one to think with. Ever since, man's success has been dependent on the one he uses most ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School Another one to keep in mind is the recreational certificate. 15 hours dual 15 solo, does require a medical but, it's a 1 time cross country sign off. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 9, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Michael Perez wrote: That's very cool John! I hope to get a flight in prior to the end of the month...we'll see. Keep me, (us) posted on how things are going and if you come accross something that you feel I should be aware of as we train, let me know. (I'll do the same.) Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
Date: Jan 10, 2013
I have pretty much the same story. Went down there when I was 18 and soloed within 8 days of getting there. Loved every second of it. Helped launch gliders, washed many planes including a greasy old stearman. The folks there are the nicest people you'd meet. All the instructors are 10,000+ hr pilots so they're sure to teach you right. When I was getting ready for my written test a guy promised me an aerobatic flight in the stearman if I passed. Probably the best ride of my life. He even let me do a loop.....I would recommend you do all your PPL training there as well. Charles B ----- Original Message ----- From: "onedgerc" <onedgerc(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School > > I highly recommend Red Stewart Airfrield for your flight training. I > started flying there back in 1993. At that time they had 4 J-3, Champ, > T-craft, couple 150's , 172, and a couple other airplanes. In my opinion > you can't ask for a more interesting experience. I started flying the J-3 > Cub and then progressed to the C-150 to get my Private License. I was 18 > years old and it was a perfect place for someone like me. They gave me a > job in the summer time. I washed planes and mowed many acres of grass, On > my first day of work they had me run across the airport and asked a guy > for some prop wash ( which was the newbie joke). LOL, but what could have > been better at that age. It's a family ran business that has been there > since 1946. When you stop into the airport you will more than likely meet > Cubby, Kathy, Emerson, Sara,and Dink. Many of my friends learned to fly at > Red's and we can't recommend it enough to all the new comers and the ones > that want to learn something about grass ! > > roots taildraggers. > > Red Stewart's doesn't have a 141 program so the VA and GI bill's will not > work. Going to a flight school like Wright Brothers isn't a bad thing. You > can get your ratings fast and once you get finished with all your > training, going to Red Stewart's will be a breeze. > > If you live closer to Columbus. You can check out See Aviation at the > Centerburg Airport. Bill See has 2-3 very nice Champs and a C-172. He > specializes in Tailwheel instruction. Bill Built a nice bunk house for > people that traveled to his airport for instruction. Shad also keeps his > Pietenpol at this airport. > > Here is a picture of one of Waynesvilles/ Red Stewart Cub's/ on skis.. > > a little long winded, sorry > > Dewey > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391958#391958 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/waynesville_cub_481.jpg > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fin and rudder drain holes
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 10, 2013
Santiago, Greg's post reminded me of that deluge. My Piet's fuse was filled with wate r. I had to lift the tail high in order for it to drain. Now I have fabrica ted a cover that extends from the prop to aft of the pilot pit for such oc cations. The quote from the famous Axel Olsson seems appropriate here again ......"I didn't like it much" Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> Sent: Wed, Jan 9, 2013 10:09 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fin and rudder drain holes Santiago, Drain holes are a good idea any place water might collect. After the infamous rain deluge during Brodhead 2010 NX18235 had water slosh ing around in the rudder, elevators and ailerons. I had to poke a few addit ional holes before I could fly home. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: santiago morete Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fin and rudder drain holes Hi everybody! I covered the tail surfaces and I am currently making the drain holes. My question is, does any of you made =8B=8Bdrain holes in the f in and rudder? I have seen many pictures looking for this, and I think mo st people don't have drain holes in the fin, is that correct? Thanks! Santiago href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 10, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
I live about 25 min. from downtown Cleveland. There is Burke Lakefront Airport, perhaps we could "dock" our anphib. there... Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
From: Steve Emo <steve.emo58(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 10, 2013
Red stewart = A number 1 !! I went there after I had lots of others hours and CFII rating and finally learned to fly-- got the conventional gear endorsement from Emerson Stewart... Steve On Jan 9, 2013, at 9:25 PM, "John Francis" wrote: > > Donna Hanshew, the Manager of Flight Training at Wright Bros. highly recommended Red Stewart Field for all my training outside of this program. Many pilots I know speak of them like you do Jack. That is where I was going to originally get my sport license. > > -------- > John Francis > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391944#391944 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: drain holes and Stewarts airfield...and proposed Brodhead
group flight 2013'
Date: Jan 10, 2013
Hey all! Hope you are all well and have a blessed new year! Regarding drain holes, the more the merrier in my opinion. When deciding where to put them, try to imagine anywhere that water could accumulate, especially at the lower end of things like the rear of the fuselage, rear of the horizontal stab, elevators (flippers), bottom of the rudder, bottom of the fin, trailing edge of the wing, rear of the center section, and don't forget the cockpits, especially in front of any bulkheads that will block water. I just melted them in the ceconite with a round soldering iron, formed a nice "plastic" ring around the hole and went super quick. Regarding Red Stewarts' field, can't recommend them enough. Got my tailwheel endorsement there and kept "Re-PIET" there the first month while I got the hang of her on grass. Great place.. kind of like stepping back in time. I used to take my daughter up and we'd just eat lunch outside the office and soak up the ambiance. On the Brodhead front. at this point, who is thinking of flying up and coming anywhere near the Cincinnati, southern Ohio area on the way? I THINK there are quite a few guys coming through the general vicinity. Maybe we could start planning a rendezvous and all fly up in style. while showing us newbies the way. Stewarts would be a perfect place to meet up. Am finally finishing up the cooling eyebrows. Hope to have them on next week and begin flying again on the decently warm days. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 10, 2013
They all sound like great flight schools. My two cents here, What ever flight school you choose, make sure you get along with and understand the instructor well. The more you can fly each week the fewer hours it will take for you to accomplish whatever task you are working on whether it is your Light Sport, Private or some other rating. Since the ultimate goal is to fly your own Piet that you built yourself or any other fixed wing please do this. Learn to fly that Cub, Cessna 150, Piper Cherokee or some other plane in slow flight. Get used to how it reacts. Feel the controls, listen to the wind, engine and prop noises. They will all tell you what the airplane wants. Get intimate with it. The more you do it, the more you will feel comfortable with the plane and will soon become one with it. It is great practice and fun to boot. Just do it at a safe altitude. The Piet flies slow and will bleed off airspeed very fast, even at full throttle. All of the slow flight skills you had learned will fit nicely with the Piet. Before you know it, flying will become an instinct and your sense will help all of your decision making. Now go out and have fun, That is all. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391985#391985 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
From: "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com>
Date: Jan 10, 2013
A number of times I have heard people interested in learning to fly and looking at the Sport Pilot license as an option state that you cant fly more than 50-nm from the takeoff airport. Can someone explain where that comes from? I have searched both EAA and AOPA websites and read through the FARs and cant find it. The FARs do require cross country instruction (2-hours I believe) and a solo cross country flight with a full stop landing at least 75-nm away but I cant find any X-C restriction on a licensed Sport Pilot once he/she is certified. Also, the class B, C, or D airspace and towered airport restriction simply need endorsements from an authorized instructor in accordance with 61.325 certifying you are authorized to exercise these privileges. I assume like any endorsement (tail-wheel endorsement for example) once youre signed off, you can exercise these privileges. Can someone point to where these restrictions are called out for a licensed Sport Pilot? Thanks. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391986#391986 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 10, 2013
I believe that what you are hearing has been confused with the recreational pilots license. I'm sure Jack can confirm that. I don't think Sport Pilot has any distance restrictions. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391987#391987 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: drain holes and Stewarts airfield...and proposed Brodhead
gr
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jan 10, 2013
Douwe, I am hoping to make the Brodhead run this year. My son, Ryan, is begging to go on up to "the other less significant" fly-in afterwards. It's a long way off but it is nice to think about it in cold January. I might be able to catch up with you but may be a little north of you. Anybody interested in heading to the other one afterwards? Might be fun to try to get a few Piets up there. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391988#391988 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 10, 2013
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
From: Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com>
recreational requires a 1 time sign off for cross country per FAR 61.101 c (c) A person who holds a recreational pilot certificate may act as pilot in command of an aircraft on a flight that exceeds 50 nautical miles from the departure airport, provided that person has=94 (1) Received ground and flight training from an authorized instructor on the cross-country training requirements of subpart E of this part that apply to the aircraft rating held; (2) Been found proficient in cross-country flying; and (3) Received from an authorized instructor a logbook endorsement, which is carried on the person's possession in the aircraft, that certifies the person has received and been found proficient in the cross-country training requirements of subpart E of this part that apply to the aircraft rating held. but 61.315 mentions nothing about cross country sign off or limitations. =C2=A7 61.315 What are the privileges and limits of my sport pilot certif icate? (a) If you hold a sport pilot certificate you may act as pilot in command of a light-sport aircraft, except as specified in paragraph (c) of this section. (b) You may share the operating expenses of a flight with a passenger, provided the expenses involve only fuel, oil, airport expenses, or aircraft rental fees. You must pay at least half the operating expenses of the flight. (c) You may not act as pilot in command of a light-sport aircraft: (1) That is carrying a passenger or property for compensation or hire. (2) For compensation or hire. (3) In furtherance of a business. (4) While carrying more than one passenger. (5) At night. (6) In Class A airspace. (7) In Class B, C, and D airspace, at an airport located in Class B, C, or D airspace, and to, from, through, or at an airport having an operational control tower unless you have met the requirements specified in =C2=A7 61.3 25. (8) Outside the United States, unless you have prior authorization from the country in which you seek to operate. Your sport pilot certificate carries the limit =9CHolder does not meet ICAO requirements.=9D (9) To demonstrate the aircraft in flight to a prospective buyer if you are an aircraft salesperson. (10) In a passenger-carrying airlift sponsored by a charitable organization . (11) At an altitude of more than 10,000 feet MSL or 2,000 feet AGL, whichever is higher. (12) When the flight or surface visibility is less than 3 statute miles. (13) Without visual reference to the surface. (14) If the aircraft: (i) Has a VH greater than 87 knots CAS, unless you have met the requirements of =C2=A7 61.327(b). (ii) Has a VH less than or equal to 87 knots CAS, unless you have met the requirements of =C2=A7 61.327(a) or have logged flight time as pilot in com mand of an airplane with a VH less than or equal to 87 knots CAS before April 2, 2010. (15) Contrary to any operating limitation placed on the airworthiness certificate of the aircraft being flown. (16) Contrary to any limit on your pilot certificate or airman medical certificate, or any other limit or endorsement from an authorized instructor. (17) Contrary to any restriction or limitation on your U.S. driver's license or any restriction or limitation imposed by judicial or administrative order when using your driver's license to satisfy a requirement of this part. (18) While towing any object. (19) As a pilot flight crewmember on any aircraft for which more than one pilot is required by the type certificate of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is conducted. On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:12 PM, AircamperN11MS w rote: > Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> > > I believe that what you are hearing has been confused with the > recreational pilots license. I'm sure Jack can confirm that. I don't > think Sport Pilot has any distance restrictions. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391987#391987 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 10, 2013
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: drain holes and Stewarts airfield...and proposed Brodhead
group flight 2013' Douwe, Don, Mike C. =C2-Dad and I might be going to Brodhead=C2-this year, but like Don, I am a ways north of you.=C2- The best place to meet might be in North West IN, or South of Chicago area.=C2- That would give us at least=C2-2-3 h rs of formation time enroute to Brodhead.=C2- A couple years ago I propos ed a camp out here the night before heading up, but due to weather and late planning on my part, =C2-it didn't work out.=C2- Stay in touch, we hav e a few months to sort it out. =C2- Shad --- On Thu, 1/10/13, Douwe Blumberg wrote: From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: drain holes and Stewarts airfield...and proposed B rodhead group flight 2013' Date: Thursday, January 10, 2013, 10:58 AM Hey all! =C2- Hope you are all well and have a blessed new year! =C2- Regarding drain holes, the more the merrier in my opinion.=C2- When decid ing where to put them, try to imagine anywhere that water could accumulate, especially at the lower end of things like the rear of the fuselage, rear of the horizontal stab, elevators (flippers), bottom of the rudder, bottom of the fin, trailing edge of the wing, rear of the center section, and don =99t forget the cockpits, especially in front of any bulkheads that w ill block water. =C2- I just melted them in the ceconite with a round soldering iron, formed a ni ce =9Cplastic=9D ring around the hole and went super quick. =C2- Regarding Red Stewarts=99 field, can=99t recommend them enough. =C2- Got my tailwheel endorsement there and kept =9CRe-PIET =9D there the first month while I got the hang of her on grass.=C2- Great place.. kind of like stepping back in time.=C2- I used to take my daught er up and we=99d just eat lunch outside the office and soak up the am biance. =C2- On the Brodhead front at this point, who is thinking of flying up and coming anywhere near the Cincinnati , southern Ohio area on the way?=C2 - I THINK there are quite a few guys coming through the general vicinity. =C2- Maybe we could start planning a rendezvous and all fly up in style while showing us newbies the way.=C2- Stewarts would be a perfe ct place to meet up. =C2- Am finally finishing up the cooling eyebrows.=C2- Hope to have them on ne xt week and begin flying again on the decently warm days. =C2- Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 10, 2013
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Fin and rudder drain holes
One thing that you may want to do is put some drain holes in the forward si de of the elevator as well.=C2- We did not do it, but the last time I was at Brodhead in 2011, it rained every day, and I usually tie the stick back with the seatbelt to keep it from slapping around in the wind.=C2- This will cause the water to sit against the forward elevator spar.=C2- I don' t know if anyone else has done this.=C2- It's not to big of a deal I gues s, it only sits out in the rain once every couple of years. =C2- Shad --- On Wed, 1/9/13, Jack Phillips wrote: From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fin and rudder drain holes Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013, 4:55 PM Hi Santiago , =C2- I put drain holes in both fin and rudder.=C3=82=C2- I put seaplane gromme ts over the holes at the bottom of the rudder, to keep water from splashing up into the holes. =C2- Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia =C2- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of santiago morete Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 1:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fin and rudder drain holes =C2- Hi everybody! I covered the tail surfaces and I am currently making the drain holes. My q uestion is, does any of you made =C3=A2=82=AC=B9=C3=A2=82=AC =B9drain holes in the fin and rudder? I have seen many pictures looking for this, and I think most people don't have drain holes in the fin, is tha t correct? Thanks! =C2- Santiago=C2- =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Li sthttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jan 10, 2013
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
Let me add two things to Scott's good advice. 1. Don't spend your money not learning or dealing with a bad instructor. 2. Get a mentor to assist you. 1. Your instructor will probably be good. But if you have a problem with your instructor, don't hesitate, discuss it with them. Most are good instructors and you can figure it out. BUT, if you can't or don't seem to learn from him, If it is just a personality issue, If it is a scheduling issue, if it is an inability to understand (language), if you just aren't getting what he is teaching, if you can't get it straight get a differerent instructor. Go to the head instructor and discuss it. It is not personal and don't approach it that way. Some great guys have trouble "meshing" for the flight training experience. Don't spend your money on instruction that is not efficient. My first flight instructor was great He was Dutch and we really hit it off and he taught me a lot. Then I had to switch, the next instructor was a Swede. He really screwed me up. The Chief CFI of the club noticed I was backsliding and took me for a check. He retrained me the way my first instrutor taught me and ended up firing the Swede and the FAA made the Swede do some retraining (it was that bad) And I paid for about 10 hours between the Swede and retraining the right way. 2. Get a mentor. A Mentor is any trusted and more experienced pilot that you get along with. Between lessons you can tell him what you learned or what you don't understand, and he will explain it or tell you a "There I was" story about that very situation. You can ask him questions in an environment where the pay clock is not ticking. He does not replace your instructor and they should get along. He can be paid with free coffee or donuts. He will also be flattered that you respect his opinion. Blue Skies, Steve D PS while there may be some phases that can be difficult or trying, you should enjoy the training. Don't forget to look out every once in a while and tell yourself "WOW! I am flying, what a view!" If you are not enjoying the lessons, figure out why. If you enjoy learning to fly, you will love flying on your own. ----- Original Message ----- From: AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> Date: Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:28 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aviation Ground School > > They all sound like great flight schools. > > My two cents here, What ever flight school you choose, make sure you get along with and understand the instructor well. The more you can fly each > week the fewer hours it will take for you to accomplish whatever > task you are working on whether it is your Light Sport, Private or > some other rating. Since the ultimate goal is to fly your own > Piet that you built yourself or any other fixed wing please do > this. Learn to fly that Cub, Cessna 150, Piper Cherokee or some > other plane in slow flight. Get used to how it reacts. Feel the > controls, listen to the wind, engine and prop noises. They will > all tell you what the airplane wants. Get intimate with it. The > more you do it, the more you will feel comfortable with the plane > and will soon become one with it. It is great practice and fun to > boot. Just do it at a safe altitude. > > The Piet flies slow and will bleed off airspeed very fast, even at > full throttle. All of the slow flight skills you had learned will > fit nicely with the Piet. Before you know it, flying will become > an instinct and your sense will help all of your decision making. > > Now go out and have fun, That is all. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391985#391985 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jan 10, 2013
About 6 months ago I called Red Stewart Field to discuss the Sports Pilot training they offer. I was told then that I would fly my first four lessons with different instructors. I then got to choose who I liked best. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=391998#391998 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jan 10, 2013
Subject: Piets to Brodhead
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From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Piets to Brodhead
Date: Jan 10, 2013
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jan 10, 2013
Subject: grass strips enroute to Brodhead
Frank Pavliga and Andrew King are the Charles Kuralts of where the best grass airports/fields are enroute to Brodhead and probably Don Emch too even though hes sporting a modern rubberized tailwheel like I have. Im surprised at how many conventional general aviation airports have grass runways as well even in this day but Andrew and Frank know the grass strips that not only are decent but have connections to get fuel as well if not fuel on the field. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Piets to Brodhead
Date: Jan 10, 2013
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From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Piets to Brodhead
Date: Jan 10, 2013
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Subject: Re: Piets to Brodhead
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jan 10, 2013
The Piqua (Shelby County, OH) put in a long grass strip last year. They have fuel and I could help with any needs as you pass through. Well not ANY needs! John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392026#392026 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piets to Brodhead
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 10, 2013
Maybe the whole shoot'n match could make the last fuel stop Poplar Grove. G reat multiple grass strips 17/35 and 9/27. Gene, you could taxi on the gras s until very close to the fuel pumps, shut it down and push for a short way . And if for some reason the WX or darkness closes in at PG I have (and pro bably will have because nobody is even looking at it) a huge empty house (f or sale) where everybody could sack out. It's gonna be a GREAT year at Brod head!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Thu, Jan 10, 2013 4:49 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead Gene, depending on where in Virginia our launch point is, we could plan on RedStewart airfield in Waynesville Ohioas a fuel stop which would be close enough for Douwe to join up with us. Ithas grass and gas, so would be a go od stop for you. You will be the limitingfactor for us with your =9C to the plans=9D little bitty gas tank and lack of brakesand steering ability, so you get to choose the stops. I=99ve generally gone through Beckley West Virginia, but that is not a particularly good airportfor you. Past Beckley, I usually stop in Ports mouth Ohioas my next stop, but that may be beyond your range. Once we get across theOhio River we can breathe a little easier and relax our sphincter s, with West Virginia past us. On a slightly different note, but on thesubject of great fields, try Lowell Indiana, on the Illinois border. A verynice grass field with a 90 year ol d owner who will take you out in the adjacentcornfield and pick and give to you as many ears of fresh sweet corn as you cancarry. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Thursday, January 10, 20133:52 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietsto Brodhead I am planning to fly out with Jack Phillips, MattPaxton, and Brett Phillips (yes, you ARE!!!), so we need to makearrangements for a whole gaggle!! Lo oking to link up airports with grasssince I have tailskid, so all suggestio ns appreciated. Gene Rambo From: michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:39:25 -0600 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead If I fly up this year Shad I=99d be game to meet up in theChicagoland area. I had a great overnight at Lewis University Airport/Romeoville, IL but lots of places to meet if oursc hedules and the weather works out. Anywhere in that southwest Chicago suburb area is fine byme. Mike C. (hoping to get my license finally sometime this yearJ !!) ky=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD"=EF=BD=ED=9C=A2Z+=EF=BDM4=EF=BDG=EF =BDq=EF=BD(=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BDw=EF=BDr=EF=BD =EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=D3=85=EF=BD=EF=BDz=D7=A7=EF=BD=EF =BDK=EF=BD=EF=BDD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BDK =91=EF=BD=EF=BDj=EF=BD=EF=BD',.+-=E6=AD=BA=EF=BD=EF=BD5 =EF=BD=81=ABh=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD,z=EF=BD^=EF =BD=EF=BD=EF=BD.+-=EF=BD=D8=A5=EF=BD=D8=9E=EF=BD=CB=9C=EF =BD=EF=BD =EF=BD=EF=BDT=EF=BD=EF=BDn=EF=BD+=EF=BD=EF=BDb=EF =BDp+r=EF=BDy'=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BDC=EF=BD =E5=A1=A7{ =EF=BD =EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD,x(Z=EF=BDP>-=EF=BD=EF=BDZ=EF=BD=EF =BDvk=EF=BD=EF=BDk=EF=BD=EF=BDj+y=EF=BDky=EF=BDm=EF =BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD &j=EF=BD=EF=BD',r=EF=BD=EF=BD5=EF=BD=81=ABh=EF=BD=EF =BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BDR=EF=BD=EF=BDm=EF=BD=EF =BD=EF=BD=EF=BD &j=EF=BD=EF=BD',r=EF=BD=EF=BD5=EF=BD=81=ABh=EF=BD=EF =BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BDR=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD0 =EF=BD8=EF=BD[1]Ia=EF=BDT1$=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD+y=EF=BD\ =EF=BD{^=EF=BD=D6=A5=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BDj)ZnW=EF=BD=EF =BD=EF=BDayg=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=C6=A1=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD =EF=BD =EF=BD=EF=BD+=EF=BDk&j=EF=BD=EF=BD',r=EF=BD=EF =BD=EF=BD=EF=BD =EF=BD=EF=BD+=EF=BDk&j=EF=BD=EF=BD' ,r=EF=BD=EF=BDh=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD*'=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF =BD=EF=BD=D8=A8=EF=BDg=EF=BDJ+^N=EF=BD=EF=BD*.~=EF=BD=EF =BD=EF=BD=EF=BDzw=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD,=EF=BD=EF=BDh =EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BDjY^.+-=D9=A2=EF=BD=EF=BD ky=EF=BDm=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD &j=EF=BD=EF=BD',r=EF=BD=EF=BDr=EF=BD=EF=BD&=EF=BD*'=EF =BD=EF=BDi=EF=BD=EF=BD0=EF=BDf=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF =BDr=EF=BD(=EF=BD=EF=BD(=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BDn=EF=BDb =EF=BD =EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=DF=A2{ =EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BDn =EF=BDr=EF=BDf ~,g=D3=93 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Piets to Brodhead
Date: Jan 10, 2013
I like this idea. Those of us coming from points north and west could easily fly to Poplar Grove. We could have a mass arrival of a dozen or more Pietenpols. Maybe Jon Apfelbaum could be on hand to get some good air-to-air photos. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:49 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead Maybe the whole shoot'n match could make the last fuel stop Poplar Grove. Great multiple grass strips 17/35 and 9/27. Gene, you could taxi on the grass until very close to the fuel pumps, shut it down and push for a short way. And if for some reason the WX or darkness closes in at PG I have (and probably will have because nobody is even looking at it) a huge empty house (for sale) where everybody could sack out. It's gonna be a GREAT year at Brodhead!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> To: pietenpol-list Sent: Thu, Jan 10, 2013 4:49 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead Gene, depending on where in Virginia our launch point is, we could plan on Red Stewart airfield in Waynesville Ohio as a fuel stop which would be close enough for Douwe to join up with us. It has grass and gas, so would be a good stop for you. You will be the limiting factor for us with your =9Cto the plans=9D little bitty gas tank and lack of brakes and steering ability, so you get to choose the stops. I=99ve generally gone through Beckley West Virginia, but that is not a particularly good airport for you. Past Beckley, I usually stop in Portsmouth Ohio as my next stop, but that may be beyond your range. Once we get across the Ohio River we can breathe a little easier and relax our sphincters, with West Virginia past us. On a slightly different note, but on the subject of great fields, try Lowell Indiana, on the Illinois border. A very nice grass field with a 90 year old owner who will take you out in the adjacent cornfield and pick and give to you as many ears of fresh sweet corn as you can carry. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:52 PM To: pietenpol-list Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead I am planning to fly out with Jack Phillips, Matt Paxton, and Brett Phillips (yes, you ARE!!!), so we need to make arrangements for a whole gaggle!! Looking to link up airports with grass since I have tailskid, so all suggestions appreciated. Gene Rambo ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:39:25 -0600 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead If I fly up this year Shad I=99d be game to meet up in the Chicagoland area. I had a great overnight at Lewis University Airport/ Romeoville, IL but lots of places to meet if our schedules and the weather works out. Anywhere in that southwest Chicago suburb area is fine by me. Mike C. 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From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Piets to Brodhead
Date: Jan 10, 2013
I ALWAYS make my last fuel stop at Poplar Grove. Steve and Tina Thomas are wonderful people. I=99ll never forget a couple years ago when Dan Yocum met me there (he was ferrying John Hofmann=99s new Pietenpol N502R to Brodhead) and as we were about to leave to head to C37, Steve flagged us down and told us a big thunderstorm was moving into the area. He and Tina put our Pietenpols in their personal hangar, along with Steve=99s Waco SRE and Tina=99s 1929 Brunner-Winkle Bird to wait out the storm. Now THAT=99s service! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 6:49 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead Maybe the whole shoot'n match could make the last fuel stop Poplar Grove. Great multiple grass strips 17/35 and 9/27. Gene, you could taxi on the grass until very close to the fuel pumps, shut it down and push for a short way. And if for some reason the WX or darkness closes in at PG I have (and probably will have because nobody is even looking at it) a huge empty house (for sale) where everybody could sack out. It's gonna be a GREAT year at Brodhead!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Thu, Jan 10, 2013 4:49 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead Gene, depending on where in Virginia our launch point is, we could plan on Red Stewart airfield in Waynesville Ohio as a fuel stop which would be close enough for Douwe to join up with us. It has grass and gas, so would be a good stop for you. You will be the limiting factor for us with your =9Cto the plans=9D little bitty gas tank and lack of brakes and steering ability, so you get to choose the stops. I=99ve generally gone through Beckley West Virginia, but that is not a particularly good airport for you. Past Beckley, I usually stop in Portsmouth Ohio as my next stop, but that may be beyond your range. Once we get across the Ohio River we can breathe a little easier and relax our sphincters, with West Virginia past us. On a slightly different note, but on the subject of great fields, try Lowell Indiana, on the Illinois border. A very nice grass field with a 90 year old owner who will take you out in the adjacent cornfield and pick and give to you as many ears of fresh sweet corn as you can carry. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:52 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead I am planning to fly out with Jack Phillips, Matt Paxton, and Brett Phillips (yes, you ARE!!!), so we need to make arrangements for a whole gaggle!! Looking to link up airports with grass since I have tailskid, so all suggestions appreciated. Gene Rambo _____ From: michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:39:25 -0600 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead If I fly up this year Shad I=99d be game to meet up in the Chicagoland area. I had a great overnight at Lewis University Airport/ Romeoville, IL but lots of places to meet if our schedules and the weather works out. Anywhere in that southwest Chicago suburb area is fine by me. Mike C. 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Subject: Re: Aviation Ground School
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 10, 2013
I think I was mixing student pilot stuff and the higher class airspace stuff, sorry. I thought a sport pilot needed an endorsement for EVERY field he wanted to fly out of, but it looks like you only need that for airports in class b or something. Just jaunting about the country in a Piet seems to be no problem for a sport pilot, cool, one less thing. I was thinking that was overly restrictive, just never looked into it closely. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392036#392036 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Corvair Power
Date: Jan 10, 2013
If anyone is at the point of pondering what kind of power to use, William Wynne makes some poignant points on his latest set of blogs at flycorvair.net <http://www.flycorvair.net> , as well as some very generous comments about Mike Groah's plane, EAA Chapter 1279, and mine. He is also poised to publish a couple more articles, so be sure to keep an eye out for the next couple days. Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Piet Directory
Date: Jan 10, 2013
Thanks to all those that have sent updates or new info. It will take a couple of days to get things updated and then I will get the list sent to you. Thanks again. Jack Textor Des Moines, IA ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 10, 2013
From: santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: Fin and rudder drain holes
Thank you all! I will make drain holes in my fin and rudder.=0ADan, I thoug ht about making that same kind of cover when the time comes.=0ASaludos=0A =0ASantiago ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 10, 2013
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Memories of Poplar Grove
Dan "The Man" has a nice house and hangar there at Poplar Grove.- He was nice enough to let Dad and I hang out there on our weather dodging trip hom e in 2011.- He was even nice enough to give me some speed tape, (aluminum tape for you civilaians) for-our propeller.- I flew out of Brodhead in a hurry to try to stay ahead of a storm, it was a sprinkle when I started to taxi, and a downpour by the time I go to the runway.- The 2 min it too k me to climbout, make a 180 and get out of the rain took most of the varni sh off the leading edge of the prop.- With Dan's help I fasioned a speed tape propeller tipping incase I ran into more rain.- - I will always remember my first trip to Poplar Grove.- It was our first a ttempt at making Brodhead in 2006.- I remember getting to the edge of the Chicago Sectional, and having to completly unfold the chart, and flip it o ver (NO GPS, and I was a rookie at the open cockpit thing).- Well, our Pi et is nose heavy and has no trim, so I had to pull the nose up 20 degrees, let go of the stick, hurry up and try to unfold the chart, then recover fro m a 20 degree nose down dive, and had to repeat that about 3 or 4 times.- When I landed I was confused, the top of the Hangar says "Belvedier" so I was not sure if it was the right airport.- I taxied to the pumps, the cha rt looked like the fringe on a pair of Harley saddle bags, and I asked the line boy if I was indeed at Poplar Grove.- - The next hour or two I waited for Dad to catch up in the truck.- During t hat time, a gentelman walked up to check out the Piet, He said he was in th e process of building one himself, and was using a Corvair.- He liked the cowling and asked Dad some questions about it.- Dad then went to the tru ck and came back with the strofoam nose bowl mold he made, and said " Here, it might be good for another one".- That gentelmans name was Curt Shipma n.-- - After hangng around and chatting about the weather, I took off and was goin g for Brodhead, and just about the end of the runway, the engine stated act ing up.- I came back around and landed.- Dad and I decided to take the Piet apart and trailer it home, as it-was the second time it-acted up o n that trip.- That was when I found out about the-generosity of Steve a nd Tina Thomas.- Steve-let us use his shop hangar to dismantle the Piet , and then offered us his trailer-to haul the airplane home.- - Aviation, grass roots aviation especially, has got to be among the best of the best groups of people.- I have met some of the most genuine and gener ous people flying the Pietenpol, and many of them are from the little town of Poplar Grove, IL.- - "You Meet The Nicest People In A Pietenpol", Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piets to Brodhead
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Jan 11, 2013
Great shot! Jack what is that object hanging above your starboard wing? Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 10, 2013, at 7:46 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: > I ALWAYS make my last fuel stop at Poplar Grove.=C3=82 Steve and Tina Tho mas are wonderful people.=C3=82 I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2ll never forget a c ouple years ago when Dan Yocum met me there (he was ferrying John Hofmann=C3 =A2=82=AC=84=A2s new Pietenpol N502R to Brodhead) and as we were about to leave to head to C37, Steve flagged us down and told us a big thundersto rm was moving into the area.=C3=82 He and Tina put our Pietenpols in their p ersonal hangar, along with Steve=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s Waco SRE and Tina=C3 =A2=82=AC=84=A2s 1929 Brunner-Winkle Bird to wait out the storm.=C3=82 Now THAT=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s service! > > > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew(at)aol.com > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 6:49 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead > > Maybe the whole shoot'n match could make the last fuel stop Poplar Grove. G reat multiple grass strips 17/35 and 9/27. Gene, you could taxi on the grass until very close to the fuel pumps, shut it down and push for a short way. A nd if for some reason the WX or darkness closes in at PG I have (and probabl y will have because nobody is even looking at it) a huge empty house (for sa le) where everybody could sack out. It's gonna be a GREAT year at Brodhead!! > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Thu, Jan 10, 2013 4:49 pm > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead > > Gene, depending on where in Virginia our launch point is, we could plan on Red Stewart airfield in Waynesville Ohio as a fuel stop which would be clos e enough for Douwe to join up with us. It has grass and gas, so would be a g ood stop for you. You will be the limiting factor for us with your =C3=A2 =82=AC=C5=93to the plans=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D little bitty gas tank and lack of brakes and steering ability, so you get to choose the stops. > > I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2ve generally gone through Beckley West Virginia, b ut that is not a particularly good airport for you. Past Beckley, I usually stop in Portsmouth Ohio as my next stop, but that may be beyond your range. Once we get across the Ohio River we can breathe a little easier and relax our sphincters, with West Virginia past us. > > On a slightly different note, but on the subject of great fields, try Lowe ll Indiana, on the Illinois border. A very nice grass field with a 90 year o ld owner who will take you out in the adjacent cornfield and pick and give t o you as many ears of fresh sweet corn as you can carry. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:52 PM > To: pietenpol-list > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead > > I am planning to fly out with Jack Phillips, Matt Paxton, and Brett Philli ps (yes, you ARE!!!), so we need to make arrangements for a whole gaggle!! L ooking to link up airports with grass since I have tailskid, so all suggesti ons appreciated. > > Gene Rambo > > From: michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:39:25 -0600 > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead > If I fly up this year Shad I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2d be game to meet up i n the Chicagoland area. 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From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Piets to Brodhead
Date: Jan 11, 2013
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Jack, Matt and Gene rendezvous
Date: Jan 11, 2013
Hey Jack, Matt and Gene, I'd love to tag along with your flight, and if you can possibly start putting Stewarts on your map as a stopping place, that would be awesome!! Aren't there some new guys in this area heading up? Dewey Davenport has a piet near Stewarts, I'll see if he wants to head up this year. What about the West VA contingent and Jeff Faith in Louisville? There are a couple more around Louisville who were talking of going, I'll get in touch with them. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 11, 2013
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Piets to Brodhead
Gee, I think she mentioned it, but I can't recall. Top Curmudgeon, Larry Williams, might know. do archive, just for Larry. Dan On 01/11/2013 07:20 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > I dont remember, Jack. I remember the glider but youd have to ask > Tina or Steve what else was hanging in their hangar or maybe Dan Yocum > remembers. > > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jack > *Sent:* Friday, January 11, 2013 8:17 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead > > > > Great shot! Jack what is that object hanging above your starboard wing? > > Sent from my iPad > > Jack Textor > > > On Jan 10, 2013, at 7:46 PM, "Jack Phillips" > wrote: > >> I ALWAYS make my last fuel stop at Poplar Grove. Steve and Tina >> Thomas are wonderful people. Ill never forget a couple years ago >> when Dan Yocum met me there (he was ferrying John Hofmanns new >> Pietenpol N502R to Brodhead) and as we were about to leave to head to >> C37, Steve flagged us down and told us a big thunderstorm was moving >> into the area. He and Tina put our Pietenpols in their personal >> hangar, along with Steves Waco SRE and Tinas 1929 Brunner-Winkle >> Bird to wait out the storm. Now THATs service! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jack Phillips >> >> NX899JP >> >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of >> *helspersew(at)aol.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2013 6:49 PM >> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead >> >> >> >> Maybe the whole shoot'n match could make the last fuel stop Poplar >> Grove. Great multiple grass strips 17/35 and 9/27. Gene, you could >> taxi on the grass until very close to the fuel pumps, shut it down and >> push for a short way. And if for some reason the WX or darkness closes >> in at PG I have (and probably will have because nobody is even looking >> at it) a huge empty house (for sale) where everybody could sack out. >> It's gonna be a GREAT year at Brodhead!! >> >> >> >> Dan Helsper >> >> Puryear, TN >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net >> > >> To: pietenpol-list > > >> Sent: Thu, Jan 10, 2013 4:49 pm >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead >> >> Gene, depending on where in Virginia our launch point is, we could >> plan on Red Stewart airfield in Waynesville Ohio as a fuel stop which >> would be close enough for Douwe to join up with us. It has grass and >> gas, so would be a good stop for you. You will be the limiting factor >> for us with your to the plans little bitty gas tank and lack of >> brakes and steering ability, so you get to choose the stops. >> >> >> >> Ive generally gone through Beckley West Virginia, but that is not a >> particularly good airport for you. Past Beckley, I usually stop in >> Portsmouth Ohio as my next stop, but that may be beyond your range. >> Once we get across the Ohio River we can breathe a little easier and >> relax our sphincters, with West Virginia past us. >> >> >> >> On a slightly different note, but on the subject of great fields, try >> Lowell Indiana, on the Illinois border. A very nice grass field with >> a 90 year old owner who will take you out in the adjacent cornfield >> and pick and give to you as many ears of fresh sweet corn as you can >> carry. >> >> >> >> Jack Phillips >> >> NX899JP >> >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> ] *On Behalf Of >> *Gene Rambo >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:52 PM >> *To:* pietenpol-list >> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead >> >> >> >> I am planning to fly out with Jack Phillips, Matt Paxton, and Brett >> Phillips (yes, you ARE!!!), so we need to make arrangements for a >> whole gaggle!! Looking to link up airports with grass since I have >> tailskid, so all suggestions appreciated. >> >> Gene Rambo >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> From: michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov <mailto:michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:39:25 -0600 >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead >> >> If I fly up this year Shad Id be game to meet up in the Chicagoland >> area. I had a great overnight at >> >> LewisUniversity Airport/ Romeoville, IL but lots of places to meet if >> our schedules and the weather works >> >> out. >> >> >> >> Anywhere in that southwest Chicago suburb area is fine by me. >> >> >> >> Mike C. >> >> >> >> >> >> (hoping to get my license finally sometime this yearJ!!) >> >> >> >> ky"Z+M4Gq(wrzKDKj',.+-5h,z^.+- >> Tn+bp+ry'C{ >> ,x(ZP>-Zvkkj+ykym >> &j',r5hRm >> &j',r5hR0 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> 8[1]IaT1$+y\{^j)ZnWayg+k&j',r+k&j',rh*'gJ+^N*.~zw,hjY^.+-kym >> &j',rr&*'i0fr((nb{ >> nrf >> >> ~,g >> >> * * >> * * >> *" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* >> *tp://forums.matronics.com* >> *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> * * >> * * >> * * >> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* >> *http://forums.matronics.com* >> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piets to Brodhead
From: woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com>
Date: Jan 11, 2013
All sounds great for a mass fly in to Brodhead. Another great stop is Grime s Field at Urbana, OH. Grass runway and a great restaurant on the field. Th e pies there are some of the best I've ever eaten. There's also a small air museum. Nice folks too. Van Wert, OH also has a grass runway and friendly folks. Matt Paxton ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair Power
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 11, 2013
Great articles Gary, Thanks for sharing. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392060#392060 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 11, 2013
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Piets to Brodhead
Jim Short is a member of the soaring club I used to be in and also the prez of the Vintage Sailplane Association. This is what he had to say: Hi Dan, It is a Laister-Kaufmann LK-10A that has been "flat topped". This one seems to be in the colors of Mississippi State University where it was probably part of their aeronautical engineering research program in the late 40's and early 50's under Dr. August Raspet. Where did this plane come from? Who owns it? It should be preserved as it is because its history is probably fairly interesting. So, there you have it. Cheers, Dan On 01/11/2013 07:20 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > I dont remember, Jack. I remember the glider but youd have to ask > Tina or Steve what else was hanging in their hangar or maybe Dan Yocum > remembers. > > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jack > *Sent:* Friday, January 11, 2013 8:17 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead > > > > Great shot! Jack what is that object hanging above your starboard wing? > > Sent from my iPad > > Jack Textor > > > On Jan 10, 2013, at 7:46 PM, "Jack Phillips" > wrote: > >> I ALWAYS make my last fuel stop at Poplar Grove. Steve and Tina >> Thomas are wonderful people. Ill never forget a couple years ago >> when Dan Yocum met me there (he was ferrying John Hofmanns new >> Pietenpol N502R to Brodhead) and as we were about to leave to head to >> C37, Steve flagged us down and told us a big thunderstorm was moving >> into the area. He and Tina put our Pietenpols in their personal >> hangar, along with Steves Waco SRE and Tinas 1929 Brunner-Winkle >> Bird to wait out the storm. Now THATs service! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jack Phillips >> >> NX899JP >> >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of >> *helspersew(at)aol.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2013 6:49 PM >> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead >> >> >> >> Maybe the whole shoot'n match could make the last fuel stop Poplar >> Grove. Great multiple grass strips 17/35 and 9/27. Gene, you could >> taxi on the grass until very close to the fuel pumps, shut it down and >> push for a short way. And if for some reason the WX or darkness closes >> in at PG I have (and probably will have because nobody is even looking >> at it) a huge empty house (for sale) where everybody could sack out. >> It's gonna be a GREAT year at Brodhead!! >> >> >> >> Dan Helsper >> >> Puryear, TN >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net >> > >> To: pietenpol-list > > >> Sent: Thu, Jan 10, 2013 4:49 pm >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead >> >> Gene, depending on where in Virginia our launch point is, we could >> plan on Red Stewart airfield in Waynesville Ohio as a fuel stop which >> would be close enough for Douwe to join up with us. It has grass and >> gas, so would be a good stop for you. You will be the limiting factor >> for us with your to the plans little bitty gas tank and lack of >> brakes and steering ability, so you get to choose the stops. >> >> >> >> Ive generally gone through Beckley West Virginia, but that is not a >> particularly good airport for you. Past Beckley, I usually stop in >> Portsmouth Ohio as my next stop, but that may be beyond your range. >> Once we get across the Ohio River we can breathe a little easier and >> relax our sphincters, with West Virginia past us. >> >> >> >> On a slightly different note, but on the subject of great fields, try >> Lowell Indiana, on the Illinois border. A very nice grass field with >> a 90 year old owner who will take you out in the adjacent cornfield >> and pick and give to you as many ears of fresh sweet corn as you can >> carry. >> >> >> >> Jack Phillips >> >> NX899JP >> >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> ] *On Behalf Of >> *Gene Rambo >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:52 PM >> *To:* pietenpol-list >> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead >> >> >> >> I am planning to fly out with Jack Phillips, Matt Paxton, and Brett >> Phillips (yes, you ARE!!!), so we need to make arrangements for a >> whole gaggle!! Looking to link up airports with grass since I have >> tailskid, so all suggestions appreciated. >> >> Gene Rambo >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> From: michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov <mailto:michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:39:25 -0600 >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets to Brodhead >> >> If I fly up this year Shad Id be game to meet up in the Chicagoland >> area. I had a great overnight at >> >> LewisUniversity Airport/ Romeoville, IL but lots of places to meet if >> our schedules and the weather works >> >> out. >> >> >> >> Anywhere in that southwest Chicago suburb area is fine by me. >> >> >> >> Mike C. >> >> >> >> >> >> (hoping to get my license finally sometime this yearJ!!) >> >> >> >> ky"Z+M4Gq(wrzKDKj',.+-5h,z^.+- >> Tn+bp+ry'C{ >> ,x(ZP>-Zvkkj+ykym >> &j',r5hRm >> &j',r5hR0 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> 8[1]IaT1$+y\{^j)ZnWayg+k&j',r+k&j',rh*'gJ+^N*.~zw,hjY^.+-kym >> &j',rr&*'i0fr((nb{ >> nrf >> >> ~,g >> >> * * >> * * >> *" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* >> *tp://forums.matronics.com* >> *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> * * >> * * >> * * >> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* >> *http://forums.matronics.com* >> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Jack, Matt and Gene rendezvous
Date: Jan 11, 2013
Any Piets or Gregas heading to Brodhead are welcome to stop in Hales Landing. We can get ethanol free auto gas at the local convenience store. We are 150 sm just south of east from Stewarts in Waynesville. Runway is 3000' grass and an easy approach and landing for a Piet. Parkersburg, PKB a class D tower just 12 miles north of us now has a grass runway. It just opened and will remain unpublished, I can't remember the exact words to request, but will find out if anyone wants to go in there, they of course have 100LL. John Graham took a bunch of the big tire Ohio Bush Planes in there. Douwe, Don't know if Ed or I will be flying to Brodhead this year. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg Sent: 1/11/2013 9:06:31 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jack, Matt and Gene rendezvous Hey Jack, Matt and Gene, Id love to tag along with your flight, and if you can possibly start putting Stewarts on your map as a stopping place, that would be awesome!! Arent there some new guys in this area heading up? Dewey Davenport has a piet near Stewarts, Ill see if he wants to head up this year. What about the West VA contingent and Jeff Faith in Louisville? There are a couple more around Louisville who were talking of going, Ill get in touch with them. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piets to Brodhead
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jan 11, 2013
Dan, I think Jack was asking about that yellow and blue thingie on the left side of the photo, not the glider. Looks like maybe it's just a wing, hanging from the rafters. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392077#392077 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piets to Brodhead
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Jan 11, 2013
Agreed Bill, looks like a partial fuselage??? Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 11, 2013, at 11:38 AM, "Bill Church" wrote: > > Dan, > I think Jack was asking about that yellow and blue thingie on the left side of the photo, not the glider. Looks like maybe it's just a wing, hanging from the rafters. > > Bill C. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392077#392077 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 15 more Piets!
Date: Jan 11, 2013
Check out www.flycorvair.net for comments on 15 more previously completed Piets! Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject:
Date: Jan 11, 2013
This isnt Piet related so my apologies. Right now My wife and I are doing a fund raiser for St. Josephs Home for Children. This has been a very difficult thing to do and I have been asking a lot from everybody I know. St. Joes is a non profit non deminational childrens home that I have been working with since I delivered some children to them back in the mid 1970's when I was employed by the City of Brooklyn Park, Mn. police dept. They are a wonderful organization and they take children from infants thru 17. Whe my dad diied a couple of years ago he left them a good chunk of money and my wife and I wend shopping for things they really needed, like underwear and socks. The older kids are the ones that are short of that sort of thing. If anyone here on this list wants to support this organization I would appreciate it greatly, you could send any deductable donation to; St. Josephs Home for Children Richard Navratil 1415 Skiles Ln. Arden Hills, Mn. 55112 Thanks Dick N. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 12, 2013
Subject: Panel coamings
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
This week, we had a warm spell that permitted me to make some progress on the cockpit instrument panels and coamings (picture attached). This has been a fun set of challenges. A lot of thinking in three dimensions to make everything line up. Further progress on this will have to wait, as cold has returned. Time to start tackling some fabric covering in the nice warm basement at home. Cheers, Ken ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Scott Cutler" <cutlertxs(at)comcast.net>
Subject: spar mistake
Date: Jan 12, 2013
My 7th grade students made their first big mistake on our Piet project. They cut one of the wing spars =BD=94 too short. Lesson learned-measure many times, cut once. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to proceed? Obviously, one expensive option is to purchase a new spar. How bad is the option to make all the spars =BD=94 too short leading to a wingspan that is 1=94 shorter. Will that give us a higher cruise speed (ha, ha). ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: spar mistake
Date: Jan 12, 2013
Just my opinion, Scott, but the only thing it really affects is the attachment of the wing-tip bow. Make a longer bracket to put the bow in the right place and move on. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Cutler Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:50 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: spar mistake My 7th grade students made their first big mistake on our Piet project. They cut one of the wing spars =BD=94 too short. Lesson learned-measure many times, cut once. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to proceed? Obviously, one expensive option is to purchase a new spar. How bad is the option to make all the spars =BD=94 too short leading to a wingspan that is 1=94 shorter. Will that give us a higher cruise speed (ha, ha). ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Panel coamings
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jan 12, 2013
Awesome Ken! Is that copper veneer? If so, did you glue it down as well? John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392112#392112 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 12, 2013
Subject: Re: Panel coamings
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Yes, John. Copper sheets. A friend had a couple pieces left over from a home repair project. He gave them to me, thinking maybe I could use them on the Pietenpol. I'm not sure the thickness, but will be happy to measure. I'd guess around 0.040. The pieces are attached with machine screws. On the rear panel, each group of instruments is attached to a separate copper sheet, allowing the instruments to be removed as clusters. On the aft right hand sheet will later be installed a com and transponder, which I'll need because the plane is based under a Class B veil (and because I'll be installing an engine-driven electrical system). On the front panel, the copper pieces are purely decorative, though the middle one serves as a door to a glove box. They are also installed with machine screws. On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM, John Francis wrote: > > Awesome Ken! Is that copper veneer? If so, did you glue it down as well? > > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392112#392112 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: spar mistake
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jan 12, 2013
+1 on Gary's recommendation. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392117#392117 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Panel coamings
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 12, 2013
Ken, Love that copper idea.......but you have inadvertently revealed at least on e your secret colors. Be prepared for imitators. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:25 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel coamings This week, we had a warm spell that permitted me to make some progress on the cockpit instrument panels and coamings (picture attached). This has been a fun set of challenges. A lot of thinking in three dimensions to make everything line up. Further progress on this will have to wait, as cold has returned. Time to start tackling some fabric covering in the nice warm basement at home. Cheers, Ken ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: spar mistake
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 12, 2013
Scott, I myself would not worry about it. Clipped-wing Piet. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Scott Cutler <cutlertxs(at)comcast.net> Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:17 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: spar mistake My 7th grade students made their first big mistake on our Piet project. Th ey cut one of the wing spars =C2=BD=9D too short. Lesson learned-mea sure many times, cut once. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to proc eed? Obviously, one expensive option is to purchase a new spar. How bad i s the option to make all the spars =C2=BD=9D too short leading to a w ingspan that is 1=9D shorter. Will that give us a higher cruise spee d (ha, ha). ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: spar mistake
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jan 12, 2013
Yup, what Gary says. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392123#392123 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 12, 2013
Subject: Re: Panel coamings
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
could be a head feint. I'm thinking yellow and black would be awesome. On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM, wrote: > Ken, > > Love that copper idea.......but you have inadvertently revealed at least one > your secret colors. Be prepared for imitators. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:25 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel coamings > > This week, we had a warm spell that permitted me to make some progress > on the cockpit instrument panels and coamings (picture attached). > This has been a fun set of challenges. A lot of thinking in three > dimensions to make everything line up. Further progress on this will > have to wait, as cold has returned. Time to start tackling some > fabric covering in the nice warm basement at home. > > Cheers, Ken > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Panel coamings
From: Wayne Bressler <wayne(at)taildraggersinc.com>
Date: Jan 12, 2013
Are you based within the Bravo, or inside the Mode C veil? Wayne Bressler Taildraggers, Inc. www.taildraggersinc.com On Jan 12, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > > Yes, John. Copper sheets. A friend had a couple pieces left over > from a home repair project. He gave them to me, thinking maybe I could > use them on the Pietenpol. I'm not sure the thickness, but will be > happy to measure. I'd guess around 0.040. The pieces are attached > with machine screws. > > On the rear panel, each group of instruments is attached to a separate > copper sheet, allowing the instruments to be removed as clusters. On > the aft right hand sheet will later be installed a com and > transponder, which I'll need because the plane is based under a Class > B veil (and because I'll be installing an engine-driven electrical > system). > > On the front panel, the copper pieces are purely decorative, though > the middle one serves as a door to a glove box. They are also > installed with machine screws. > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM, John Francis wrote: >> >> Awesome Ken! Is that copper veneer? If so, did you glue it down as well? >> >> John >> >> -------- >> John Francis >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392112#392112 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Panel coamings
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Jan 12, 2013
Oh no sir it's yellow primer, they use it on all the Pietenpols now... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:35 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > Ken, > > Love that copper idea.......but you have inadvertently revealed at least o ne your secret colors. Be prepared for imitators. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:25 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel coamings > > This week, we had a warm spell that permitted me to make some progress > on the cockpit instrument panels and coamings (picture attached). > This has been a fun set of challenges. A lot of thinking in three > dimensions to make everything line up. Further progress on this will > have to wait, as cold has returned. Time to start tackling some > fabric covering in the nice warm basement at home. > > Cheers, Ken > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Panel coamings
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Jan 12, 2013
Beautiful work Ken, I'm feeling like a slug... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > > Yes, John. Copper sheets. A friend had a couple pieces left over > from a home repair project. He gave them to me, thinking maybe I could > use them on the Pietenpol. I'm not sure the thickness, but will be > happy to measure. I'd guess around 0.040. The pieces are attached > with machine screws. > > On the rear panel, each group of instruments is attached to a separate > copper sheet, allowing the instruments to be removed as clusters. On > the aft right hand sheet will later be installed a com and > transponder, which I'll need because the plane is based under a Class > B veil (and because I'll be installing an engine-driven electrical > system). > > On the front panel, the copper pieces are purely decorative, though > the middle one serves as a door to a glove box. They are also > installed with machine screws. > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM, John Francis wrote: >> >> Awesome Ken! Is that copper veneer? If so, did you glue it down as well? >> >> John >> >> -------- >> John Francis >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392112#392112 > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: spar mistake
Date: Jan 12, 2013
Scott, I would either do as you suggested -- make all the spars 1/2 inch shorter or, on the tip end of that spar, glue on a 1/2- inch piece to attach to the wing tip. The spars are cut down to 1 inch wide at that point anyway. I believe the glue joint would be about as strong as if the spar were one piece. Any of you engineers out there disagree? C ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Cutler To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 1:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: spar mistake My 7th grade students made their first big mistake on our Piet project. They cut one of the wing spars =BD" too short. Lesson learned-measure many times, cut once. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to proceed? Obviously, one expensive option is to purchase a new spar. How bad is the option to make all the spars =BD" too short leading to a wingspan that is 1" shorter. Will that give us a higher cruise speed (ha, ha). ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Panel coamings
Date: Jan 12, 2013
We're under the modeC veil at an uncontrolled, but very busy, airport. On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Wayne Bressler wrote: > > Are you based within the Bravo, or inside the Mode C veil? > > Wayne Bressler > Taildraggers, Inc. > www.taildraggersinc.com > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > >> >> Yes, John. Copper sheets. A friend had a couple pieces left over >> from a home repair project. He gave them to me, thinking maybe I could >> use them on the Pietenpol. I'm not sure the thickness, but will be >> happy to measure. I'd guess around 0.040. The pieces are attached >> with machine screws. >> >> On the rear panel, each group of instruments is attached to a separate >> copper sheet, allowing the instruments to be removed as clusters. On >> the aft right hand sheet will later be installed a com and >> transponder, which I'll need because the plane is based under a Class >> B veil (and because I'll be installing an engine-driven electrical >> system). >> >> On the front panel, the copper pieces are purely decorative, though >> the middle one serves as a door to a glove box. They are also >> installed with machine screws. >> >> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM, John Francis wrote: >>> >>> Awesome Ken! Is that copper veneer? If so, did you glue it down as well? >>> >>> John >>> >>> -------- >>> John Francis >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392112#392112 > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Panel coamings
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Date: Jan 12, 2013
...said the greatest imitator of all time!! Gene On Jan 12, 2013, at 3:35 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > Ken, > > Love that copper idea.......but you have inadvertently revealed at least o ne your secret colors. Be prepared for imitators. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 2:25 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel coamings > > This week, we had a warm spell that permitted me to make some progress > on the cockpit instrument panels and coamings (picture attached). > This has been a fun set of challenges. A lot of thinking in three > dimensions to make everything line up. Further progress on this will > have to wait, as cold has returned. Time to start tackling some > fabric covering in the nice warm basement at home. > > Cheers, Ken > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
Subject: Horns Redone
Date: Jan 13, 2013
Much better this time around. 7 hours stripping old powder coat and preppin g for this coat... DQoNCg0KU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IGlQYWQNCkphY2sgVGV4dG9y ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DOUGLAS BLACKBURN <twinboom(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietepol fuse, rib, and tailgroup wood
Date: Jan 13, 2013
Hey folks=2C I was on the list a few years ago=2C and have been unsubscri bed for some time. I was never able to really get started due to health iss ues my wife has. I am only on to let you know I need to get rid of my p roject. I have the wood for the fuse=2C wing ribs=2C and tail group. It is all Spruce. I got most all of it from Carl Levkin=2C who was=2C and still m ay be a member here. He gave me the wood for the tail group. Carl also gave me the the wood for the fuse for a donation to his EAA chapter=2C in Compt on. He cut the wood up for me for the fuse=2C and cut the stringers to be l aminated. He said this would be stronger. Anyway=2C I believe I donated 75. 00 bucks to the Compton EAA group for the fuse wood.I bought the wood for t he ribs from a member here for I think around 100.00=2C and I would like t o pass this on to someone who might have the time and where withall to use for they're project. Carl was way kind to me while we were in communication =2C and I would like to further his kindness to someone else=2C pay ot forw ard so to speak!! I will take 100.00 for the fuse wood=2C and also have a Corvair engine I was going to retrofit for this plane as well. The engine is all apart=2C but Carl had my shaft drilled and tapped for the safety sh aft needed to install the prop and adapter for same. I am moving=2C and nee d to find a home for this stuff=2C hopefully someone who will use it. 100.0 0 bucks gets it all. As I said=2C I don't know if Carl is still around=2C i f he is and some here know him=2C give him my regards=2C he was a fine man. I wish I could have done him right by getting the Piet built=2C but realli ty says it is not to be. I also have a wing rib Jib that a Gent from Down S an Diego way gave me. I remeber his name as Gene=2C and I believe right bef ore I unsubscribed from this list=2C he got his airworthiness Cetificate fo r his Piet. I contacted him to see if he wanted the jib back but don't thin k I ever heard back from him. If he is still on this list=2C the jib is his =2C if not=2C it will be part of the deal here for a hundred bucks. Please take me up on this deal=2C but only if you intend on using the material to build a Piet. I am moving and it needs to go by the 21st of January. Thanks =2C Doug Blackburn=2C Yucaipa Californianine oh nine - seven nine zero - ze ro five three zero home phone=2C call untill 10:00 p.m. P.S. I won't ship =2C don't have time=2C so work something out with someone here on the West Coast if you are interested=2C it really needs to be gone in two weeks. Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn Yucaipa California ISR Rocks www.inlandsloperebels.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Continetal Gauges
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 13, 2013
For information, incase those w/Cont engines are interested: I've been looking to replace my oil temp & pressure gauges in the GN-1, as the oil temp gauge I have was never the correct range scale, and my pressure gauge is cracked and dinged up. I was never quite satisfied w/my searches. I came close to what I'd like w/Stewart Warner gauges, but still no joy. I preferred the 270 deg sweep of the older antique gauges with no label clutter (basic labeling). I began to think none were out there until I was walking around an old WW2 museum north of Luxembourg in Diekirch. I looked at the panel in the old Jeeps and "bingo!".. they appear to be the perfect range scale for Continentals. You can get them at any Jeep restorer's website. standard 2" mechanical gauges... Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392197#392197 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_1_101.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/40s_jeep_982.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/jeep_190.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Horns Redone
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jan 13, 2013
Wow, now that's LIGHT material.....it floats! John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392204#392204 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietepol fuse, rib, and tailgroup wood
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jan 13, 2013
Doug, First, I am sorry to hear this. I guess it's a point in our lives that we re ach at some point. I am interested in all, and can pick up by this weekend. My Piet is done, bu t am starting another project, which will be Corvair powered, too. I live in N. Calif, but can easily make the drive. Gary Boothe Sent from my iPhone On Jan 13, 2013, at 11:07 AM, DOUGLAS BLACKBURN wrote: > Hey folks, > I was on the list a few years ago, and have been unsubscribed for some t ime. I was never able to really get started due to health issues my wife has . > > I am only on to let you know I need to get rid of my project. I have th e wood for the fuse, wing ribs, and tail group. It is all Spruce. I got most all of it from Carl Levkin, who was, and still may be a member here. He gav e me the wood for the tail group. Carl also gave me the the wood for the fus e for a donation to his EAA chapter, in Compton. He cut the wood up for me f or the fuse, and cut the stringers to be laminated. He said this would be st ronger. Anyway, I believe I donated 75.00 bucks to the Compton EAA group for the fuse wood.I bought the wood for the ribs from a member here for I think around 100.00, and I would like to pass this on to someone who might have t he time and where withall to use for they're project. Carl was way kind to m e while we were in communication, and I would like to further his kindness t o someone else, pay ot forward so to speak!! > > I will take 100.00 for the fuse wood, and also have a Corvair engine I w as going to retrofit for this plane as well. The engine is all apart, but Ca rl had my shaft drilled and tapped for the safety shaft needed to install th e prop and adapter for same. I am moving, and need to find a home for this s tuff, hopefully someone who will use it. 100.00 bucks gets it all. As I said , I don't know if Carl is still around, if he is and some here know him, giv e him my regards, he was a fine man. I wish I could have done him right by g etting the Piet built, but reallity says it is not to be. I also have a wing rib Jib that a Gent from Down San Diego way gave me. I remeber his name as G ene, and I believe right before I unsubscribed from this list, he got his ai rworthiness Cetificate for his Piet. I contacted him to see if he wanted the jib back but don't think I ever heard back from him. If he is still on this list, the jib is his, if not, it will be part of the deal here for a hundre d bucks. Please take me up on this deal, but only if you intend on using the material to build a Piet. I am moving and it needs to go by the 21st of Jan uary. Thanks, > > Doug Blackburn, Yucaipa California > nine oh nine - seven nine zero - zero five three zero home phone, call unt ill 10:00 p.m. > > P.S. I won't ship, don't have time, so work something out with someone he re on the West Coast if you are interested, it really needs to be gone in tw o weeks. > > Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn Yucaipa California ISR Rocks www.inlandsloperebel s.com > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietepol fuse, rib, and tailgroup wood
From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Jan 13, 2013
I met Carl about 5 years ago when Markle and I visited his hangar, a really n ice person and a great builder. I've not heard from him since. Does anyon e know anything about him? John Sent from my iPhone On Jan 13, 2013, at 2:07 PM, DOUGLAS BLACKBURN wrote: > Hey folks, > I was on the list a few years ago, and have been unsubscribed for some t ime. I was never able to really get started due to health issues my wife has . > > I am only on to let you know I need to get rid of my project. I have th e wood for the fuse, wing ribs, and tail group. It is all Spruce. I got most all of it from Carl Levkin, who was, and still may be a member here. He gav e me the wood for the tail group. Carl also gave me the the wood for the fus e for a donation to his EAA chapter, in Compton. He cut the wood up for me f or the fuse, and cut the stringers to be laminated. He said this would be st ronger. Anyway, I believe I donated 75.00 bucks to the Compton EAA group for the fuse wood.I bought the wood for the ribs from a member here for I think around 100.00, and I would like to pass this on to someone who might have t he time and where withall to use for they're project. Carl was way kind to m e while we were in communication, and I would like to further his kindness t o someone else, pay ot forward so to speak!! > > I will take 100.00 for the fuse wood, and also have a Corvair engine I w as going to retrofit for this plane as well. The engine is all apart, but Ca rl had my shaft drilled and tapped for the safety shaft needed to install th e prop and adapter for same. I am moving, and need to find a home for this s tuff, hopefully someone who will use it. 100.00 bucks gets it all. As I said , I don't know if Carl is still around, if he is and some here know him, giv e him my regards, he was a fine man. I wish I could have done him right by g etting the Piet built, but reallity says it is not to be. I also have a wing rib Jib that a Gent from Down San Diego way gave me. I remeber his name as G ene, and I believe right before I unsubscribed from this list, he got his ai rworthiness Cetificate for his Piet. I contacted him to see if he wanted the jib back but don't think I ever heard back from him. If he is still on this list, the jib is his, if not, it will be part of the deal here for a hundre d bucks. Please take me up on this deal, but only if you intend on using the material to build a Piet. I am moving and it needs to go by the 21st of Jan uary. Thanks, > > Doug Blackburn, Yucaipa California > nine oh nine - seven nine zero - zero five three zero home phone, call unt ill 10:00 p.m. > > P.S. I won't ship, don't have time, so work something out with someone he re on the West Coast if you are interested, it really needs to be gone in tw o weeks. > > Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn Yucaipa California ISR Rocks www.inlandsloperebel s.com > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DOUGLAS BLACKBURN <twinboom(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietepol fuse, rib, and tailgroup wood
Date: Jan 13, 2013
Hey Folks=2C Gary checked in first=2C and followed up with a phone call. He will be picking up everything this Tuesday evening. I knew it would not last long=2C especially at the price offered. Carl Levkin was good to me=2C and as I said=2C I just wanted to pay it forward and give someone else the benefit of my fortune. Happy flying to all. I will stay on the list until the deal is sealed=2C but am sure I will see Gary on Tuesday. Thanks again =2C Doug Blackburn Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn Yucaipa California ISR Rocks www.inlandsloperebels.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietepol fuse=2C rib=2C and tailgroup wood From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net Date: Sun=2C 13 Jan 2013 13:24:01 -0800 Doug=2C First=2C I am sorry to hear this. I guess it's a point in our lives that we reach at some point. I am interested in all=2C and can pick up by this weekend. My Piet is done =2C but am starting another project=2C which will be Corvair powered=2C too . I live in N. Calif=2C but can easily make the drive. Gary Boothe Sent from my iPhone On Jan 13=2C 2013=2C at 11:07 AM=2C DOUGLAS BLACKBURN wr ote: Hey folks=2C I was on the list a few years ago=2C and have been unsubscribed for some time. I was never able to really get started due to health issues my wife has. I am only on to let you know I need to get rid of my project. I have the wood for the fuse=2C wing ribs=2C and tail group. It is all Spruce. I got most all of it from Carl Levkin=2C who was=2C and still may be a member her e. He gave me the wood for the tail group. Carl also gave me the the wood f or the fuse for a donation to his EAA chapter=2C in Compton. He cut the woo d up for me for the fuse=2C and cut the stringers to be laminated. He said this would be stronger. Anyway=2C I believe I donated 75.00 bucks to the Co mpton EAA group for the fuse wood.I bought the wood for the ribs from a mem ber here for I think around 100.00=2C and I would like to pass this on to someone who might have the time and where withall to use for they're projec t. Carl was way kind to me while we were in communication=2C and I would li ke to further his kindness to someone else=2C pay ot forward so to speak!! I will take 100.00 for the fuse wood=2C and also have a Corvair engine I was going to retrofit for this plane as well. The engine is all apart=2C b ut Carl had my shaft drilled and tapped for the safety shaft needed to inst all the prop and adapter for same. I am moving=2C and need to find a home f or this stuff=2C hopefully someone who will use it. 100.00 bucks gets it al l. As I said=2C I don't know if Carl is still around=2C if he is and some h ere know him=2C give him my regards=2C he was a fine man. I wish I could ha ve done him right by getting the Piet built=2C but reallity says it is not to be. I also have a wing rib Jib that a Gent from Down San Diego way gave me. I remeber his name as Gene=2C and I believe right before I unsubscribed from this list=2C he got his airworthiness Cetificate for his Piet. I cont acted him to see if he wanted the jib back but don't think I ever heard bac k from him. If he is still on this list=2C the jib is his=2C if not=2C it w ill be part of the deal here for a hundred bucks. Please take me up on this deal=2C but only if you intend on using the material to build a Piet. I am moving and it needs to go by the 21st of January. Thanks=2C Doug Blackburn=2C Yucaipa California nine oh nine - seven nine zero - zero five three zero home phone=2C call un till 10:00 p.m. P.S. I won't ship=2C don't have time=2C so work something out with someone here on the West Coast if you are interested=2C it really needs to be gone in two weeks. Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn Yucaipa California ISR Rocks www.inlandsloperebels.com ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DOUGLAS BLACKBURN <twinboom(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietepol fuse, rib, and tailgroup wood
Date: Jan 13, 2013
Hey John=2C He called me one eveing and said if I was interested in his P iet=2C to come to the EAA Compton chapter meeting. That was about four or f ive years ago. I did not have the time=2C and I am sure he probably donated his project to the chapter there in Compton. At any rate=2C I hope he is w ell. Thanks=2C and happy flying to all of you. Doug Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn Yucaipa California ISR Rocks www.inlandsloperebels.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietepol fuse=2C rib=2C and tailgroup wood From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com Date: Sun=2C 13 Jan 2013 16:43:07 -0500 I met Carl about 5 years ago when Markle and I visited his hangar=2C a real ly nice person and a great builder. I've not heard from him since. Does anyone know anything about him? John Sent from my iPhone On Jan 13=2C 2013=2C at 2:07 PM=2C DOUGLAS BLACKBURN wro te: Hey folks=2C I was on the list a few years ago=2C and have been unsubscribed for some time. I was never able to really get started due to health issues my wife has. I am only on to let you know I need to get rid of my project. I have the wood for the fuse=2C wing ribs=2C and tail group. It is all Spruce. I got most all of it from Carl Levkin=2C who was=2C and still may be a member her e. He gave me the wood for the tail group. Carl also gave me the the wood f or the fuse for a donation to his EAA chapter=2C in Compton. He cut the woo d up for me for the fuse=2C and cut the stringers to be laminated. He said this would be stronger. Anyway=2C I believe I donated 75.00 bucks to the Co mpton EAA group for the fuse wood.I bought the wood for the ribs from a mem ber here for I think around 100.00=2C and I would like to pass this on to someone who might have the time and where withall to use for they're projec t. Carl was way kind to me while we were in communication=2C and I would li ke to further his kindness to someone else=2C pay ot forward so to speak!! I will take 100.00 for the fuse wood=2C and also have a Corvair engine I was going to retrofit for this plane as well. The engine is all apart=2C b ut Carl had my shaft drilled and tapped for the safety shaft needed to inst all the prop and adapter for same. I am moving=2C and need to find a home f or this stuff=2C hopefully someone who will use it. 100.00 bucks gets it al l. As I said=2C I don't know if Carl is still around=2C if he is and some h ere know him=2C give him my regards=2C he was a fine man. I wish I could ha ve done him right by getting the Piet built=2C but reallity says it is not to be. I also have a wing rib Jib that a Gent from Down San Diego way gave me. I remeber his name as Gene=2C and I believe right before I unsubscribed from this list=2C he got his airworthiness Cetificate for his Piet. I cont acted him to see if he wanted the jib back but don't think I ever heard bac k from him. If he is still on this list=2C the jib is his=2C if not=2C it w ill be part of the deal here for a hundred bucks. Please take me up on this deal=2C but only if you intend on using the material to build a Piet. I am moving and it needs to go by the 21st of January. Thanks=2C Doug Blackburn=2C Yucaipa California nine oh nine - seven nine zero - zero five three zero home phone=2C call un till 10:00 p.m. P.S. I won't ship=2C don't have time=2C so work something out with someone here on the West Coast if you are interested=2C it really needs to be gone in two weeks. Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn Yucaipa California ISR Rocks www.inlandsloperebels.com ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Horns Redone
Date: Jan 13, 2013
Looking good Jack. Better hurry and install them if you're going to fly it to Brodhead this summer. Looks like there will be several new Piets there this year. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack T. Textor Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 1:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horns Redone Much better this time around. 7 hours stripping old powder coat and prepping for this coat... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietepol fuse, rib, and tailgroup wood
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 13, 2013
Huh?.............. Gary Boothe what is your next Corvair-powered endevour? Share it with us bro! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 3:25 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietepol fuse, rib, and tailgroup wood Doug, First, I am sorry to hear this. I guess it's a point in our lives that we r each at some point. I am interested in all, and can pick up by this weekend. My Piet is done, b ut am starting another project, which will be Corvair powered, too. I live in N. Calif, but can easily make the drive. Gary Boothe Sent from my iPhone On Jan 13, 2013, at 11:07 AM, DOUGLAS BLACKBURN wrote: Hey folks, I was on the list a few years ago, and have been unsubscribed for some t ime. I was never able to really get started due to health issues my wife ha s. I am only on to let you know I need to get rid of my project. I have the wood for the fuse, wing ribs, and tail group. It is all Spruce. I got most all of it from Carl Levkin, who was, and still may be a member here. He ga ve me the wood for the tail group. Carl also gave me the the wood for the f use for a donation to his EAA chapter, in Compton. He cut the wood up for m e for the fuse, and cut the stringers to be laminated. He said this would b e stronger. Anyway, I believe I donated 75.00 bucks to the Compton EAA grou p for the fuse wood.I bought the wood for the ribs from a member here for I think around 100.00, and I would like to pass this on to someone who migh t have the time and where withall to use for they're project. Carl was way kind to me while we were in communication, and I would like to further his kindness to someone else, pay ot forward so to speak!! I will take 100.00 for the fuse wood, and also have a Corvair engine I w as going to retrofit for this plane as well. The engine is all apart, but C arl had my shaft drilled and tapped for the safety shaft needed to install the prop and adapter for same. I am moving, and need to find a home for thi s stuff, hopefully someone who will use it. 100.00 bucks gets it all. As I said, I don't know if Carl is still around, if he is and some here know him , give him my regards, he was a fine man. I wish I could have done him righ t by getting the Piet built, but reallity says it is not to be. I also have a wing rib Jib that a Gent from Down San Diego way gave me. I remeber his name as Gene, and I believe right before I unsubscribed from this list, he got his airworthiness Cetificate for his Piet. I contacted him to see if he wanted the jib back but don't think I ever heard back from him. If he is s till on this list, the jib is his, if not, it will be part of the deal here for a hundred bucks. Please take me up on this deal, but only if you inten d on using the material to build a Piet. I am moving and it needs to go by the 21st of January. Thanks, Doug Blackburn, Yucaipa California nine oh nine - seven nine zero - zero five three zero home phone, call unti ll 10:00 p.m. P.S. I won't ship, don't have time, so work something out with someone her e on the West Coast if you are interested, it really needs to be gone in tw o weeks. Doug/Elizabeth BlackburnYucaipa CaliforniaISR Rocks www.inlandsloperebels.c om ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Horns Redone
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 13, 2013
Is that black?? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jack T. Textor <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:59 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horns Redone Much better this time around. 7 hours stripping old powder coat and preppin g for this coat... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Pietepol fuse, rib, and tailgroup wood
Date: Jan 13, 2013
Didn't mean for that to hit the Pietenpol List! I have the plans for a Boredom Fighter. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew(at)aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietepol fuse, rib, and tailgroup wood Huh?.............. Gary Boothe what is your next Corvair-powered endevour? Share it with us bro! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 3:25 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietepol fuse, rib, and tailgroup wood Doug, First, I am sorry to hear this. I guess it's a point in our lives that we reach at some point. I am interested in all, and can pick up by this weekend. My Piet is done, but am starting another project, which will be Corvair powered, too. I live in N. Calif, but can easily make the drive. Gary Boothe Sent from my iPhone On Jan 13, 2013, at 11:07 AM, DOUGLAS BLACKBURN wrote: Hey folks, I was on the list a few years ago, and have been unsubscribed for some time. I was never able to really get started due to health issues my wife has. I am only on to let you know I need to get rid of my project. I have the wood for the fuse, wing ribs, and tail group. It is all Spruce. I got most all of it from Carl Levkin, who was, and still may be a member here. He gave me the wood for the tail group. Carl also gave me the the wood for the fuse for a donation to his EAA chapter, in Compton. He cut the wood up for me for the fuse, and cut the stringers to be laminated. He said this would be stronger. Anyway, I believe I donated 75.00 bucks to the Compton EAA group for the fuse wood.I bought the wood for the ribs from a member here for I think around 100.00, and I would like to pass this on to someone who might have the time and where withall to use for they're project. Carl was way kind to me while we were in communication, and I would like to further his kindness to someone else, pay ot forward so to speak!! I will take 100.00 for the fuse wood, and also have a Corvair engine I was going to retrofit for this plane as well. The engine is all apart, but Carl had my shaft drilled and tapped for the safety shaft needed to install the prop and adapter for same. I am moving, and need to find a home for this stuff, hopefully someone who will use it. 100.00 bucks gets it all. As I said, I don't know if Carl is still around, if he is and some here know him, give him my regards, he was a fine man. I wish I could have done him right by getting the Piet built, but reallity says it is not to be. I also have a wing rib Jib that a Gent from Down San Diego way gave me. I remeber his name as Gene, and I believe right before I unsubscribed from this list, he got his airworthiness Cetificate for his Piet. I contacted him to see if he wanted the jib back but don't think I ever heard back from him. If he is still on this list, the jib is his, if not, it will be part of the deal here for a hundred bucks. Please take me up on this deal, but only if you intend on using the material to build a Piet. I am moving and it needs to go by the 21st of January. Thanks, Doug Blackburn, Yucaipa California nine oh nine - seven nine zero - zero five three zero home phone, call untill 10:00 p.m. P.S. I won't ship, don't have time, so work something out with someone here on the West Coast if you are interested, it really needs to be gone in two weeks. Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn Yucaipa California ISR Rocks www.inlandsloperebels.com ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Horns Redone
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Jan 13, 2013
A special shade of black... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 13, 2013, at 5:26 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > Is that black?? > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack T. Textor <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com> > To: Pietenpol List > Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:59 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horns Redone > > Much better this time around. 7 hours stripping old powder coat and preppi ng for > this coat... > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Horns Redone
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Jan 13, 2013
Boy I wish I could Jack, at this stage the progress slows to a crawl... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 13, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: > > Looking good Jack. Better hurry and install them if you're going to fly it > to Brodhead this summer. Looks like there will be several new Piets there > this year. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack T. > Textor > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 1:57 PM > To: Pietenpol List > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horns Redone > > Much better this time around. 7 hours stripping old powder coat and prepping > for this coat... > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: gas tank material
Date: Jan 13, 2013
What material and thickness of same are people using for their tanks? If aluminum for example, what alloy, hardness and thickness? Same for galvanized and stainless please. Am kind of leery of fiberglass for fear of deterioration if I have to use auto gas. Dennis ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: gas tank material
Date: Jan 13, 2013
5052 x .040 Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Engelkenjohn Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: gas tank material What material and thickness of same are people using for their tanks? If aluminum for example, what alloy, hardness and thickness? Same for galvanized and stainless please. Am kind of leery of fiberglass for fear of deterioration if I have to use auto gas. Dennis ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 14, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: gas tank material
I used 5052 of .040 thickness. Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Horns Redone
Date: Jan 14, 2013
Tell me about it! Seems that I work and work and nothing gets done! Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 7:05 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horns Redone > > Boy I wish I could Jack, at this stage the progress slows to a crawl... > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Jan 13, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "Jack Phillips" > wrote: > >> >> >> Looking good Jack. Better hurry and install them if you're going to fly >> it >> to Brodhead this summer. Looks like there will be several new Piets >> there >> this year. >> >> Jack Phillips >> NX899JP >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack T. >> Textor >> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 1:57 PM >> To: Pietenpol List >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horns Redone >> >> Much better this time around. 7 hours stripping old powder coat and >> prepping >> for this coat... >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Pietepol fuse, rib, and tailgroup wood
Date: Jan 14, 2013
Gary, I corresponded with a guy who put a Corvair in a Boredom Fighter. He says it's fine but you have to fly it every minute. He said that the engine had to practically butt against the firewall for it to be in balance. I really wanted to build the Boredom Fighter but had already bought the Piet plans so decided on the Piet. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 7:03 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietepol fuse, rib, and tailgroup wood Didn't mean for that to hit the Pietenpol List! I have the plans for a Boredom Fighter. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew(at)aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:24 PM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietepol fuse, rib, and tailgroup wood Huh?.............. Gary Boothe what is your next Corvair-powered endevour? Share it with us bro! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> To: pietenpol-list Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 3:25 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietepol fuse, rib, and tailgroup wood Doug, First, I am sorry to hear this. I guess it's a point in our lives that we reach at some point. I am interested in all, and can pick up by this weekend. My Piet is done, but am starting another project, which will be Corvair powered, too. I live in N. Calif, but can easily make the drive. Gary Boothe Sent from my iPhone On Jan 13, 2013, at 11:07 AM, DOUGLAS BLACKBURN wrote: Hey folks, I was on the list a few years ago, and have been unsubscribed for some time. I was never able to really get started due to health issues my wife has. I am only on to let you know I need to get rid of my project. I have the wood for the fuse, wing ribs, and tail group. It is all Spruce. I got most all of it from Carl Levkin, who was, and still may be a member here. He gave me the wood for the tail group. Carl also gave me the the wood for the fuse for a donation to his EAA chapter, in Compton. He cut the wood up for me for the fuse, and cut the stringers to be laminated. He said this would be stronger. Anyway, I believe I donated 75.00 bucks to the Compton EAA group for the fuse wood.I bought the wood for the ribs from a member here for I think around 100.00, and I would like to pass this on to someone who might have the time and where withall to use for they're project. Carl was way kind to me while we were in communication, and I would like to further his kindness to someone else, pay ot forward so to speak!! I will take 100.00 for the fuse wood, and also have a Corvair engine I was going to retrofit for this plane as well. The engine is all apart, but Carl had my shaft drilled and tapped for the safety shaft needed to install the prop and adapter for same. I am moving, and need to find a home for this stuff, hopefully someone who will use it. 100.00 bucks gets it all. As I said, I don't know if Carl is still around, if he is and some here know him, give him my regards, he was a fine man. I wish I could have done him right by getting the Piet built, but reallity says it is not to be. I also have a wing rib Jib that a Gent from Down San Diego way gave me. I remeber his name as Gene, and I believe right before I unsubscribed from this list, he got his airworthiness Cetificate for his Piet. I contacted him to see if he wanted the jib back but don't think I ever heard back from him. If he is still on this list, the jib is his, if not, it will be part of the deal here for a hundred bucks. Please take me up on this deal, but only if you intend on using the material to build a Piet. I am moving and it needs to go by the 21st of January. Thanks, Doug Blackburn, Yucaipa California nine oh nine - seven nine zero - zero five three zero home phone, call untill 10:00 p.m. P.S. I won't ship, don't have time, so work something out with someone here on the West Coast if you are interested, it really needs to be gone in two weeks. Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn Yucaipa California ISR Rocks www.inlandsloperebels.com ==========>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenp ol-List==========cs.com========== matronics.com/contribution========== " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listtp://f orums.matronics.com_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 14, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Panel coamings
Ken, great looking panels and plywood cowlings.=0A-=0AToo add to what oth ers have said in this thread:- I used plywood for my cowlings because, I too prefer to work with wood and like the look better.- My cowlings are a ll painted...no fabric. In fact, I did not lay fabric over the fuselage sid es either, I just painted right over the wood. This gave me the esthetics I was after. Covered my center section with fabric and paint,-and the plyw ood hatch was covered with paint only.=0A-=0A Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: gas tank material
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jan 14, 2013
5052 .050, same as Dan Helsper. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392249#392249 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: gas tank material
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 14, 2013
Dennis, Here is a link to a Tony Bingelis article on building aluminum fuel tanks. Hope it helps. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392252#392252 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Gusset from Baltic birch
From: "Pilot78" <wings.wheels29(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 14, 2013
My local wood supplier MacBeath hardwoods where I purchased my Sitka spruce had 2'x4'x1/8" baltic birch remnants for $3.00 per sheet. They are very nice looking but only 3 ply. I am wondering if this is high enough quality for gussets on tail feathers and fuse? Looking at Aircraft spruce they sell the Finnish birch but being aircraft grade I am wondering if it 5 ply and of course much more expensive. Any input is appreciated. Brian SLC-UT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392282#392282 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gusset from Baltic birch
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jan 14, 2013
Most Baltic birch available at lumber yards (even specialty ones) is manufactured with an interior-grade glue that will not stand up to the environmental conditions most of our planes will encounter in normal use. Not recommended for that reason. Kip Gardner On Jan 14, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Pilot78 wrote: > > My local wood supplier MacBeath hardwoods where I purchased my Sitka spruce had 2'x4'x1/8" baltic birch remnants for $3.00 per sheet. They are very nice looking but only 3 ply. I am wondering if this is high enough quality for gussets on tail feathers and fuse? Looking at Aircraft spruce they sell the Finnish birch but being aircraft grade I am wondering if it 5 ply and of course much more expensive. Any input is appreciated. > > Brian > SLC-UT > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392282#392282 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Harry Riblett
Date: Jan 14, 2013
I thought some might be interested. Harry Riblett Passed away in Dec. htt p://www.legacy.com/obituaries/delawareonline/obituary.aspx?pid=161943313 Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gusset from Baltic birch
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jan 14, 2013
Brian, I bought most of my marine grade mahogany at Macbeath in Berkeley. I don't see any Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 3:16 PM, "Pilot78" wrote: > > My local wood supplier MacBeath hardwoods where I purchased my Sitka spruce had 2'x4'x1/8" baltic birch remnants for $3.00 per sheet. They are very nice looking but only 3 ply. I am wondering if this is high enough quality for gussets on tail feathers and fuse? Looking at Aircraft spruce they sell the Finnish birch but being aircraft grade I am wondering if it 5 ply and of course much more expensive. Any input is appreciated. > > Brian > SLC-UT > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392282#392282 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gusset from Baltic birch
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jan 14, 2013
...anyhow, as I was saying before my I-phone took it upon itself to send that... I don't see any marine grade birch on their web site, which would be the minimum you would need. All my gussets were done with 1/8" marine grade mahogany. Gary Boothe NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 3:16 PM, "Pilot78" wrote: > > My local wood supplier MacBeath hardwoods where I purchased my Sitka spruce had 2'x4'x1/8" baltic birch remnants for $3.00 per sheet. They are very nice looking but only 3 ply. I am wondering if this is high enough quality for gussets on tail feathers and fuse? Looking at Aircraft spruce they sell the Finnish birch but being aircraft grade I am wondering if it 5 ply and of course much more expensive. Any input is appreciated. > > Brian > SLC-UT > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392282#392282 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Subject: Re: Gusset from Baltic birch
Date: Jan 14, 2013
Thanks for all the input... MacBeath carries the marine grade Mahogany so I will pick that up tomorrow and its only 15 minutes from the hangar. Brian. SLC-UT ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe [mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 05:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gusset from Baltic birch ...anyhow, as I was saying before my I-phone took it upon itself to send that... I don't see any marine grade birch on their web site, which would be the minimum you would need. All my gussets were done with 1/8" marine grade mahogany. Gary Boothe NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2013, at 3:16 PM, "Pilot78" wrote: > > My local wood supplier MacBeath hardwoods where I purchased my Sitka spruce had 2'x4'x1/8" baltic birch remnants for $3.00 per sheet. They are very nice looking but only 3 ply. I am wondering if this is high enough quality for gussets on tail feathers and fuse? Looking at Aircraft spruce they sell the Finnish birch but being aircraft grade I am wondering if it 5 ply and of course much more expensive. Any input is appreciated. > > Brian > SLC-UT > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392282#392282 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jan 14, 2013
Paul, First off, "center section fuel tank access door"? Are you talking about a door to access the fuel tank, or the filler cap? Not sure why you would want either. If you need a removable cover plate, why not just fasten it with screws? I think the fasteners you're referring to are the type usually used for things like engine cowling panels, which require frequent removal and re-installation. Shouldn't need to access your fuel tank that often. Secondly, Dzus, Camlock and Southco aren't products, but rather lines of products, encompassing thousands of different parts. Are you referring to specific items from each of the three suppliers? Which ones? And do you have a sketch of what you have in mind? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392302#392302 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DOUGLAS BLACKBURN <twinboom(at)msn.com>
Subject: Pietepol fuse, rib, and tailgroup wood
Date: Jan 14, 2013
Hey Gents=2C The good news....Gary is picking up all the parts=2C and sin ce he has completed one plane=2C I am sure he will get to his second one as well. Also=2C Carl Lekin saw my post about getting rid of what I ahve=2C and it looks as if we will be getting together someday to work on his Piet. He is still pluuging away at it. The internet can be a great place to find friends=2C and thanks for the space=2C I will be bugging off. Gary is comi ng by tomorrow eveing to pick up what I have. Talk to you all later=2C Doug Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn Yucaipa California ISR Rocks www.inlandsloperebels.com From: twinboom(at)msn.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietepol fuse=2C rib=2C and tailgroup wood Date: Sun=2C 13 Jan 2013 14:15:17 -0800 Hey John=2C He called me one eveing and said if I was interested in his Piet=2C to c ome to the EAA Compton chapter meeting. That was about four or five years a go. I did not have the time=2C and I am sure he probably donated his projec t to the chapter there in Compton. At any rate=2C I hope he is well. Thanks =2C and happy flying to all of you. Doug Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn Yucaipa California ISR Rocks www.inlandsloperebels.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietepol fuse=2C rib=2C and tailgroup wood From: amsafetyc(at)aol.com Date: Sun=2C 13 Jan 2013 16:43:07 -0500 I met Carl about 5 years ago when Markle and I visited his hangar=2C a real ly nice person and a great builder. I've not heard from him since. Does anyone know anything about him? John Sent from my iPhone On Jan 13=2C 2013=2C at 2:07 PM=2C DOUGLAS BLACKBURN wro te: Hey folks=2C I was on the list a few years ago=2C and have been unsubscribed for some time. I was never able to really get started due to health issues my wife has. I am only on to let you know I need to get rid of my project. I have the wood for the fuse=2C wing ribs=2C and tail group. It is all Spruce. I got most all of it from Carl Levkin=2C who was=2C and still may be a member her e. He gave me the wood for the tail group. Carl also gave me the the wood f or the fuse for a donation to his EAA chapter=2C in Compton. He cut the woo d up for me for the fuse=2C and cut the stringers to be laminated. He said this would be stronger. Anyway=2C I believe I donated 75.00 bucks to the Co mpton EAA group for the fuse wood.I bought the wood for the ribs from a mem ber here for I think around 100.00=2C and I would like to pass this on to someone who might have the time and where withall to use for they're projec t. Carl was way kind to me while we were in communication=2C and I would li ke to further his kindness to someone else=2C pay ot forward so to speak!! I will take 100.00 for the fuse wood=2C and also have a Corvair engine I was going to retrofit for this plane as well. The engine is all apart=2C b ut Carl had my shaft drilled and tapped for the safety shaft needed to inst all the prop and adapter for same. I am moving=2C and need to find a home f or this stuff=2C hopefully someone who will use it. 100.00 bucks gets it al l. As I said=2C I don't know if Carl is still around=2C if he is and some h ere know him=2C give him my regards=2C he was a fine man. I wish I could ha ve done him right by getting the Piet built=2C but reallity says it is not to be. I also have a wing rib Jib that a Gent from Down San Diego way gave me. I remeber his name as Gene=2C and I believe right before I unsubscribed from this list=2C he got his airworthiness Cetificate for his Piet. I cont acted him to see if he wanted the jib back but don't think I ever heard bac k from him. If he is still on this list=2C the jib is his=2C if not=2C it w ill be part of the deal here for a hundred bucks. Please take me up on this deal=2C but only if you intend on using the material to build a Piet. I am moving and it needs to go by the 21st of January. Thanks=2C Doug Blackburn=2C Yucaipa California nine oh nine - seven nine zero - zero five three zero home phone=2C call un till 10:00 p.m. P.S. I won't ship=2C don't have time=2C so work something out with someone here on the West Coast if you are interested=2C it really needs to be gone in two weeks. Doug/Elizabeth Blackburn Yucaipa California ISR Rocks www.inlandsloperebels.com ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Tim Willis
Date: Jan 15, 2013
Tim, the email I have for you is bouncing. If you want the Piet Directory please send me your new address to jack(at)textors.com. Thanks, Jack Jack Textor Des Moines, IA ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: spar mistake
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 15, 2013
.... a good time for your students to learn how to make a scarf joint. Its all about education, right. WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392326#392326 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 15, 2013
Subject: Re: spar mistake
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
Perform a scarf joint to recoup a 1/2" at the end of the spar? There's education, and there's pedantism.... On Jan 15, 2013 7:05 AM, "womenfly2" wrote: > > > .... a good time for your students to learn how to make a scarf joint. > > Its all about education, right. > > WF2 > > -------- > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392326#392326 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 15, 2013
I can carry 22.5 gallons. I find it nice that I have a choice to carry the extra gallons if needed. Sometime while making long cross countries there is no fuel available even though there is a place to land and stretch for awhile. Like between San Diego and Yuma. Worse yet, Yuma to Casa Grande. Very long legs. It is also nice that I can fly out 1.5 hours, have breakfast and return home without refueling. You can always carry less fuel if you don't need it for the flight, but it is nice to have the choice. I have a 10 gallon nose tank and 12.5 in the center section. My 3 cents, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392343#392343 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jan 15, 2013
Hi Paul - My 9.5-gallon-usable tank was too small - no room for contingencies. My backup was a small gas can secured in the front. Not the safest option. Having said that, when I flew the airplane 1.4 hours I was more then ready to get out. I had the correct range for my physical comfort, just no contingency. My new 15 gallon tank will give me 2.5 hours. That will be perfect. I'll still want to get out at 1.4 but we'll be able to handle headwinds. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392344#392344 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 15, 2013
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: spar mistake
On 01/15/2013 08:02 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Perform a scarf joint to recoup a 1/2" at the end of the spar? There's > education, and there's pedantism.... But, but, but... it won't have a 29'6" wing! Clearly it won't be a Pietenpol Air Camper(tm)! But, in the spirit of education, yes, this is a great opportunity to talk about, and even perform a scarf joint *on another piece of wood.* In fact, cut two pieces of wood the same length from the same board. Create a scarf joint in one and leave the other uncut. Then perform some destructive testing on each one and compare the results. Then consider how much time and effort it took to perform the scarf joint and really drive home how much time would have been wasted if they had to do the same thing on their spar. *That's* education! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: spar mistake
Date: Jan 15, 2013
I just built to the nearest inch...may not be a Piet after all... Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2013, at 7:41 AM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > > > On 01/15/2013 08:02 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: >> Perform a scarf joint to recoup a 1/2" at the end of the spar? There's >> education, and there's pedantism.... > > > But, but, but... it won't have a 29'6" wing! Clearly it won't be a > Pietenpol Air Camper(tm)! > > > > But, in the spirit of education, yes, this is a great opportunity to > talk about, and even perform a scarf joint *on another piece of wood.* > In fact, cut two pieces of wood the same length from the same board. > Create a scarf joint in one and leave the other uncut. Then perform > some destructive testing on each one and compare the results. Then > consider how much time and effort it took to perform the scarf joint and > really drive home how much time would have been wasted if they had to do > the same thing on their spar. *That's* education! > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 15, 2013
Subject: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
I've been of two minds about how much fuel to carry. First, I was certain that with the Pietenpol only two and half hours of fuel was required. Then, I was certain that four hours of fuel was required. Certainty is a wonderful thing. When I began the building process on the Pietenpol, we lived in the Midwest. In that part of the country, there are airports everywhere. Most sell fuel. Most have crosswind runways. Many have beautifully tended turf runways. Why, I asked, would anyone need more than two and half hours of fuel. When your back gets sore, land, stretch, and buy a few gallons of gas. Besides, more capacity than that meant unneeded weight, both in the tank itself and in unused gas that would tend to be hauled about. Then we moved to Colorado. Once you leave the metro-Denver area, airports get pretty sparse. The ones that are out here often don't have crosswind runways. Turf is a pseudonym for gravel. Many don't sell fuel. And the wind frequently blows hard. Sometimes from behind. But when you're watching the fuel gauges and calculating the time to the next airport that has gas, the wind is always off the nose and directly across the available runways. So now I'm a believer in more fuel capacity. Yes, it adds weight -- and complexity. But I've come to like the sound of the engine roaring at the front of the airplane. This is the case in my Pacer which cruises at about 105 knots. I expect it to be the case in the Pietenpol, which will cruise at a fraction of the Pacer's blinding speeds. So my Pietenpol will carry 20 gallons - 9 in the nose, 11 in the center section -- for about four hours behind a 2700 cc Corvair. In sum, I think the decision about how much fuel capacity to incorporate is a function of many factors. Where you fly is one of the biggest in that calculation. Cheers, Ken On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:09 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: > > Hi Paul - My 9.5-gallon-usable tank was too small - no room for contingencies. My backup was a small gas can secured in the front. Not the safest option. Having said that, when I flew the airplane 1.4 hours I was more then ready to get out. I had the correct range for my physical comfort, just no contingency. > > My new 15 gallon tank will give me 2.5 hours. That will be perfect. I'll still want to get out at 1.4 but we'll be able to handle headwinds. > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/San Marcos, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392344#392344 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: spar mistake
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jan 15, 2013
Ryan just made me look up a word. Pedant`ism n. 1. The office, disposition, or act of a pedant; pedantry. Ahhh... now it's clear. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392361#392361 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 15, 2013
Subject: Re: spar mistake
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Maybe Ryan is vying for the job of Top Pendantate. Surely that would disconcert the masses. On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Bill Church wrote: > > Ryan just made me look up a word. > > Pedant`ism > n. 1. The office, disposition, or act of a pedant; pedantry. > > Ahhh... now it's clear. > > BC > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392361#392361 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jan 15, 2013
Paul, I'm going to go out on a limb here, and answer for Kevin (based on what he just wrote). 15 gallons gives 2.5 hours (plus 1/2 hour reserve) = 15 /3.0 = 5gph 9.5 gallons gives 1.4 hours (plus 1/2 hour reserve) = 9.5/1.9 = 5 gph. I'd hazard a guess of about 5 gph. :) Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392364#392364 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 15, 2013
From: dewey davenport <onedgerc(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Jack, Matt and Gene rendezvous
Douwe and rendezvouers=0AI would love to fly to brodhead this year but it r eally depends on my up and coming work schedule. If I get off of work I wil l plan on joining you guys where ever you like. =0A=C2-=0ADewey=0A =0A=0A ________________________________=0A From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@ear thlink.net>=0ATo: pietenpolgroup =0ASent: Fr iday, January 11, 2013 6:39 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Jack, Matt and Ge ne rendezvous=0A =0A=0A =0AHey Jack, Matt and Gene, =0A=C2- =0AI =99d love to tag along with your flight, and if you can=0Apossibly start pu tting Stewarts on your map as a stopping place, that would be=0Aawesome!! =0A=C2- =0A=C2- =0AAren=99t there some new guys in this area head ing up?=C2-=0ADewey Davenport has a piet near Stewarts, I=99ll see if he wants to head up=0Athis year. =0A=C2- =0AWhat about the West VA con tingent and Jeff Faith in Louisville ? =0A=C2- =0AThere are a couple more around Louisville who were talking of going, I=99ll=0Aget in touch w ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jan 15, 2013
I didn't include the reserve, Bill. 2.5 it burnout. I plan for 6 gph. Usually do a little better than that. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392370#392370 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: gas tank material
Date: Jan 15, 2013
Thanks for all the help on the gas tank material question. Bought a 1=99 X 4=99 sheet of 5052 X .040 and a sheet of .050 to practice welding on. The thicker .050 is much easier to weld than the thinner, just guessing, but I=99ll bet the .040 forms easier. Have read and seen photos of using pop rivets and using sealant on the R.S. Hoover site, but Bingelis discourages this although not sure why. Have read about using galvanized sheet and soldering the seams too, but not recently. I think Jim Markle used galvanized with sealer in his tank. Thanks Terry for the link to Bingelis tank site. Dennis ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Electrical Layout
Date: Jan 15, 2013
For those that understand electrical stuff please take a look at the attached sketch of my planned electrical system. I have not included the mags. Please share any flaws or concerns because this is an area I know very little about. Years ago I installed a cigarette lighter in my boat, it only worked when the spot light was on and I burned my nose testing it! Not sure on the ammeter hookup. Also would appreciate input for installing a voltmeter instead of the amp gauge. Thanks! Jack Jack Textor Des Moines, IA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: gas tank material
Date: Jan 15, 2013
The original fuel tank on NX18235 was riveted and soldered galvanized steel. Looked very authentic but started leaking shortly after entering service. It was replaced with a TIG welded aluminum tank. No rivets, no solder, no sealants and most importantly, no worries. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Engelkenjohn To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: gas tank material Thanks for all the help on the gas tank material question. Bought a 1=99 X 4=99 sheet of 5052 X .040 and a sheet of .050 to practice welding on. The thicker .050 is much easier to weld than the thinner, just guessing, but I=99ll bet the .040 forms easier. Have read and seen photos of using pop rivets and using sealant on the R.S. Hoover site, but Bingelis discourages this although not sure why. Have read about using galvanized sheet and soldering the seams too, but not recently. I think Jim Markle used galvanized with sealer in his tank. Thanks Terry for the link to Bingelis tank site. Dennis ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 16, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Gusset from Baltic birch
Use=C2-=C2-your local supplier; I used marine 3mm for my gussets and it s more than strong enough. Jim B. My local wood supplier MacBeath hardwoods where I purchased my Sitka spruce had 2'x4'x1/8" baltic birch remnants for $3.00 per sheet. They are very ni ce looking but only 3 ply. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Gusset from Baltic birch
Date: Jan 15, 2013
Again, don't use it if they can't verify that it's marine grade or a comparable weatherproof spec. As I said before "Baltic Birch" is most often made with glue suitable for interior applications only. It is mainly a decorative plywood, not meant to be structural. We had a guy here locally who did a restoration of an L-2. He used Baltic Birch for the floor & it delaminated in about 2 years. The plane was stored/ displayed in a museum hangar. Fortunately, being a steel-tube plane, there was no ramification besides the inconvenience of having to do a replacement. Kip Gardner On Jan 15, 2013, at 9:09 PM, Jim Boyer wrote: > Use your local supplier; I used marine 3mm for my gussets and its > more than strong enough. > Jim B. > > > My local wood supplier MacBeath hardwoods where I purchased my Sitka > spruce had 2'x4'x1/8" baltic birch remnants for $3.00 per sheet. > They are very nice looking but only 3 ply. > > > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > _- > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > = > 3D > ====================== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco
Date: Jan 15, 2013
1/2 lb per horsepower per hour is the standard for our engines, give or take a bit. Also that's on the horsepower actualy being produced at any given time. Clif I have a question. How come beer goes through you so fast? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:15 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dzus , camlock, or southco > > > Paul, > I'm going to go out on a limb here, and answer for Kevin (based on what he > just wrote). > 15 gallons gives 2.5 hours (plus 1/2 hour reserve) = 15 /3.0 = 5gph > 9.5 gallons gives 1.4 hours (plus 1/2 hour reserve) = 9.5/1.9 = 5 gph. > > I'd hazard a guess of about 5 gph. :) > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392364#392364 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 15, 2013
From: George Abernathy <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Electrical Layout
Hi there Jack,=0A=0AThe transponder and encoder can run off the same breake r max 5 amps. The turn and bank plus gauges could be a 5 amp breaker. Check your turn and bank and I expect that it runs on about two amps. =0A=0AAh a generator. Looks like it is wired correctly. A shield over its output lead would be good also. =0A=0AShields are a thing known as a "faraday" shield. They usually work best grounded in only one place. The engine block is pro bably best. If current flows through them they tend to become ground loops. =0A=0ADon't forget to flash your field=0A=0AGeorge=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________ _______________________=0A From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-li st(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:56 AM=0ASubject: P ietenpol-List: Electrical Layout=0A =0A=0AElectrical Layout =0AFor thosetha tunderstandelectricalstuff please take a look at the attached sketch of my planned electrical system. I have not included the mags.Please share any fl aws or concernsbecause this is an area I know very little about. Years ago Iinstalledacigarettelighter in my boat, it only worked when the spot light was on and I burned my nose testing it!- Not sure on theammeterhookup. Al so would appreciate input for installing a voltmeter instead of the amp gau ge.=0AThanks!=0AJack=0A<<...>> =0AJack Textor=0ADes Moines, IA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Electrical Layout
Date: Jan 16, 2013
George thanks for the info! I googled flashing the field and may leave that to someone that knows more about it.Also when you mention smaller breakers, should the wire size be reduced, I think Bengalis stated that relationship? Jack Textor Des Moines, IA _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Abernathy Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:29 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Electrical Layout Hi there Jack, The transponder and encoder can run off the same breaker max 5 amps. The turn and bank plus gauges could be a 5 amp breaker. Check your turn and bank and I expect that it runs on about two amps. Ah a generator. Looks like it is wired correctly. A shield over its output lead would be good also. Shields are a thing known as a "faraday" shield. They usually work best grounded in only one place. The engine block is probably best. If current flows through them they tend to become ground loops. Don't forget to flash your field George _____ From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:56 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Electrical Layout For those that understand electrical stuff please take a look at the attached sketch of my planned electrical system. I have not included the mags. Please share any flaws or concerns because this is an area I know very little about. Years ago I installed a cigarette lighter in my boat, it only worked when the spot light was on and I burned my nose testing it! Not sure on the ammeter hookup. Also would appreciate input for installing a voltmeter instead of the amp gauge. Thanks! Jack <<...>> Jack Textor Des Moines, IA ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 16, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: gas tank material
I concur with the TIG welded aluminum. I have the same type tank in the nose... 5052 aluminum, I believe mine is .035" thick, all TIG welded. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: gas tank material
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 16, 2013
This my 2nd tank. I used .050 5052. Great tank but I regret putting the riv ets in the perimeter flanges. I should have just tack-welded to hold it tog ether until ready to final weld. Every welded-over rivet location is a pote ntial leak. I currently have two rivet locations with seeping leaks, (lucki ly they are right on top) so will try to stop by "top-coating" with tank se aler. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:51 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gas tank material I concur with the TIG welded aluminum. I have the same type tank in the nos e... 5052 aluminum, I believe mine is .035" thick, all TIG welded. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: gas tank material
From: "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net>
Date: Jan 16, 2013
Keep it simple 5052 x .050 tig weld -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392412#392412 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00034_578.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00028_406.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Model A with carb heat box
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 16, 2013
Does anyone have data or anecdotal information on how much extra RPM one ge ts by shutting off the "perpetual" carburetor heated air on a model A? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Model A with carb heat box
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Date: Jan 16, 2013
I know that you shouldn't put any restriction ahead of the carburetor (such a s a filter) unless it has been "pressure balanced". Look at website called " Renner's Corner" Gene On Jan 16, 2013, at 8:25 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > Does anyone have data or anecdotal information on how much extra RPM one g ets by shutting off the "perpetual" carburetor heated air on a model A? > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 16, 2013
Subject: fish scales list
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Gene, Please take me off the list for the fish scales for now. Thanks, -- Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO NX114D(Mountain Piet) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: fuel capacity
Date: Jan 16, 2013
I too bumped up my fuel capacity when it looked as if CO move MIGHT be in the future. I have about 20 gallons in a bumped out center section tank of aluminum (feeding a C-90 which drinks more). I am well aware that I will rarely fill it all the way up, BUT I do anticipate the occasional time when I want to "bite the bullet" and fly some long legs just to "get there", like going to Brodhead. Also, as Ken mentioned, there are many places in the country where 30 minutes reserve at Piet speeds seems pretty nominal. Another point regarding "the extra weight" of a larger tank. While fabricating my tank, I weighed it with shorter "normal" sides and with the taller sides to allow 20 gallons and the weight difference was minimal. Maybe I'm hauling around an extra pound or two. Definitely a decision based upon your location, trip planning habits, resale plans and. bladder capacity. Douwe Ps. Is Ryan a "pendanterist"??? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 16, 2013
From: George Abernathy <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Electrical Layout
Hello Jack,=0A=0AThe wire sizes are ok. Larger is=C2- better for voltage drop. The main purpose of circuit breakers seems to be protecting the wire. Most aircraft radios and instruments die pretty quietly. =0A=0AThe wire fo r the trim could be larger for ruggedness and=C2- for voltage drop. =0AMo tors pull a lot of current on when they start. Usually about 6 times the ru nning current. That does not mean the circuit breaker or fuse needs to be 6 times the running current. Circuit breakers and fuses are made to support the higher current during motor start.=C2-=C2- =0A=0AWire tends to be s ized to fit the connectors on the various things. For instance the encoder will most likely have a sub =0AD connector.=C2- 22 and 24 gauge=C2- fit nicely in the solder cups or crimp pins. The newer radios have high densit y sub D connectors and a 22 gauge is going to be difficult to fit. For powe r they sometimes supply a special pin that will accept a larger wire. =0A =0APower and ground wires need to be big enough for voltage drop=C2- and still fit in the connectors. The manufacturers of most aircraft stuff are p retty good at recommending the minimum wire sizes and circuit breaker requi rements. One place that can be problems is encoder power. The power switche s in the older transponders weren't strong enough for the solid state encod ers. They had or may still have a heater in them to stabilize the altitude sensors. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Jack <jac k(at)textors.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, Janua ry 16, 2013 10:39 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Electrical Layout=0A =0A=0AElectrical Layout =0AGeorge thanks for the info! I googled=0Aflashin g the field and may leave that to someone that knows more about it Also=0Awhen you mention smaller breakers, should the wire size be reduced, I think=0ABengalis stated that relationship? =0A=C2-=0AJack Textor=0ADes Moines, IA=0A=C2-=0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner- pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of George Abernathy=0ASent: Tuesday, January 15, 20 13=0A9:29 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-Li st:=0AElectrical Layout=0A=C2-=0AHi there=0AJack,=0A=0AThe transponder an d encoder can run off the same breaker max 5 amps. The turn=0Aand bank plus gauges could be a 5 amp breaker. Check your turn and bank and I=0Aexpect t hat it runs on about two amps. =0A=0AAh a generator. Looks like it is wired correctly. A shield over its output lead=0Awould be good also. =0A=0AShiel ds are a thing known as a "faraday" shield. They usually work=0Abest ground ed in only one place. The engine block is probably best. If current=0Aflows through them they tend to become ground loops. =0A=0ADon't forget to flash your field=0A=0AGeorge=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A=0A____________________________ ____=0A =0AFrom:Jack=0A=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.co m =0ASent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013=0A11:56 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List :=0AElectrical Layout=0A=C2-=0AFor=0Athosethatunderstandelectricalstuff p lease take a look=0Aat the attached sketch of my planned electrical system. I have not included the=0Amags.Please share any flaws or concernsbecause t his is an area=0AI know very little about. Years ago Iinstalledacigarette =0Alighter in my boat, it only worked when the spot light was on and I burn ed my=0Anose testing it!=C2- Not sure on theammeter hookup. Also=0Awould appreciate input for installing a voltmeter instead of the amp gauge.=0ATha nks!=0AJack=0A<<...>> =0AJack Textor=0ADes Moines, IA=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A =C2-=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums. ============= ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Electrical Layout
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Jan 16, 2013
Good ideas George, thanks. My T&B says 13.75v and .8 A. Also for the voltmet er does it connect between ground and bus bar with no fuse? Thanks for all the help! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 16, 2013, at 2:54 PM, George Abernathy wrote: > Hello Jack, > > The wire sizes are ok. Larger is better for voltage drop. The main purpos e of circuit breakers seems to be protecting the wire. Most aircraft radios a nd instruments die pretty quietly. > > The wire for the trim could be larger for ruggedness and for voltage drop . > Motors pull a lot of current on when they start. Usually about 6 times the running current. That does not mean the circuit breaker or fuse needs to be 6 times the running current. Circuit breakers and fuses are made to support the higher current during motor start. > > Wire tends to be sized to fit the connectors on the various things. For in stance the encoder will most likely have a sub > D connector. 22 and 24 gauge fit nicely in the solder cups or crimp pins . The newer radios have high density sub D connectors and a 22 gauge is goin g to be difficult to fit. For power they sometimes supply a special pin that will accept a larger wire. > > Power and ground wires need to be big enough for voltage drop and still f it in the connectors. The manufacturers of most aircraft stuff are pretty go od at recommending the minimum wire sizes and circuit breaker requirements. O ne place that can be problems is encoder power. The power switches in the ol der transponders weren't strong enough for the solid state encoders. They ha d or may still have a heater in them to stabilize the altitude sensors. > > > From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:39 PM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Electrical Layout > > George thanks for the info! I googled flashing the field and may leave tha t to someone that knows more about itAlso when you mention smaller b reakers, should the wire size be reduced, I think Bengalis stated that relat ionship? > > Jack Textor > Des Moines, IA > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Abernathy > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:29 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Electrical Layout > > Hi there Jack, > > The transponder and encoder can run off the same breaker max 5 amps. The t urn and bank plus gauges could be a 5 amp breaker. Check your turn and bank a nd I expect that it runs on about two amps. > > Ah a generator. Looks like it is wired correctly. A shield over its output lead would be good also. > > Shields are a thing known as a "faraday" shield. They usually work best gr ounded in only one place. The engine block is probably best. If current flow s through them they tend to become ground loops. > > Don't forget to flash your field > > George > > > From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:56 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Electrical Layout > > For those that understand electrical stuff please take a look at the attac hed sketch of my planned electrical system. I have not included the mags. Pl ease share any flaws or concerns because this is an area I know very little a bout. Years ago I installed a cigarette lighter in my boat, it only worked w hen the spot light was on and I burned my nose testing it! Not sure on the a mmeter hookup. Also would appreciate input for installing a voltmeter instea d of the amp gauge. > Thanks! > Jack > <<...>> > Jack Textor > Des Moines, IA > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > http://www.matro==================== > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Electrical Layout
Date: Jan 17, 2013
Jack, Attached is a pdf of my 601XL electricals. I have an O-200 on it so the circuit for your Piet should be similar. If you connect the ammeter as shown, you will not get the very large starter current pushing the needle off the scale. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2013 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Electrical Layout Good ideas George, thanks. My T&B says 13.75v and .8 A. Also for the voltmeter does it connect between ground and bus bar with no fuse? Thanks for all the help! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jan 16, 2013, at 2:54 PM, George Abernathy wrote: Hello Jack, The wire sizes are ok. Larger is better for voltage drop. The main purpose of circuit breakers seems to be protecting the wire. Most aircraft radios and instruments die pretty quietly. The wire for the trim could be larger for ruggedness and for voltage drop. Motors pull a lot of current on when they start. Usually about 6 times the running current. That does not mean the circuit breaker or fuse needs to be 6 times the running current. Circuit breakers and fuses are made to support the higher current during motor start. Wire tends to be sized to fit the connectors on the various things. For instance the encoder will most likely have a sub D connector. 22 and 24 gauge fit nicely in the solder cups or crimp pins. The newer radios have high density sub D connectors and a 22 gauge is going to be difficult to fit. For power they sometimes supply a special pin that will accept a larger wire. Power and ground wires need to be big enough for voltage drop and still fit in the connectors. The manufacturers of most aircraft stuff are pretty good at recommending the minimum wire sizes and circuit breaker requirements. One place that can be problems is encoder power. The power switches in the older transponders weren't strong enough for the solid state encoders. They had or may still have a heater in them to stabilize the altitude sensors. _____ From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:39 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Electrical Layout George thanks for the info! I googled flashing the field and may leave that to someone that knows more about itAlso when you mention smaller breakers, should the wire size be reduced, I think Bengalis stated that relationship? Jack Textor Des Moines, IA _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Abernathy Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:29 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Electrical Layout Hi there Jack, The transponder and encoder can run off the same breaker max 5 amps. The turn and bank plus gauges could be a 5 amp breaker. Check your turn and bank and I expect that it runs on about two amps. Ah a generator. Looks like it is wired correctly. A shield over its output lead would be good also. Shields are a thing known as a "faraday" shield. They usually work best grounded in only one place. The engine block is probably best. If current flows through them they tend to become ground loops. Don't forget to flash your field George _____ From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:56 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Electrical Layout For those that understand electrical stuff please take a look at the attached sketch of my planned electrical system. I have not included the mags. Please share any flaws or concerns because this is an area I know very little about. Years ago I installed a cigarette lighter in my boat, it only worked when the spot light was on and I burned my nose testing it! Not sure on the ammeter hookup. Also would appreciate input for installing a voltmeter instead of the amp gauge. Thanks! Jack <<...>> Jack Textor Des Moines, IA ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 17, 2013
From: George Abernathy <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Electrical Layout
=0AHi Jack,=0A=0AA quick look at an old Cessna 150 manual might be in order here. It probably has a similar generator setup.=0A=0AI binged and found t his link =0A=0Awww.verticalpower.com/docs/Top_10_Wiring_Mistakes.pdf=0A=0A =0AI=0A drew up a schematic for the generator circuit showing the location of =0Athe charge discharge amp meter. Generators tend to be a little noisy and=0A shielded wire is the best thing to shut it up. An easy place to grou nd =0Athe shield is at the generator. Putting some "radio noise" caps on th e =0Agenerator output terminal=C2- and the field terminal of the regulato r may =C2-=0A help. =0A=0AI just noticed that I forgot the starter switch on my diagram. No time to redraw it tonight. Sorry=0A=0AIf=0A you are usin g a firewall grounding point is important not to forget the=0A ground Strap to the engine. Alternators and=0A generators don't charge without it. But the engine will start! The =0Acontrol cables metal primer and fuel lines wi ll conduct enough current =0Ato start the engine. =0A=0AMake sure that you use a continuous duty =0Abattery contactor. It should be hefty enough to co nduct and interrupt =0Athe current from the starter contactor. =0A=0AWarnin g story time:=0A=0AWhen=0A I was a line vermin in the worlds second largest nuclear navy one of my=0A jobs was to observe while the 4360 engines were started. One hot day =0Awe=0A started the right engine as normal and ran it for its every four day =0Aallotted time. We shut it down after starting th e left engine up. The =0Amechanic "Budzo" was looking at the left engine. I heard a faint yell =0Afollowed by bodily harm threats from our squadron bo xer. While putting =0Athe plugs in the Power recovery turbines the prop sta rted to turn. Only =0Ahis reflexes prevented a TKO. =0A=0ATurned out that t he starter contactor had engaged by itself! We moved=0A no switches. Turnin g off the battery=C2- master switch stopped the prop. =0A=0AWe=0A put a s ign on the aircraft doors and went to maintenance control to =0Araise a wor k order. The avionics guys showed up to work on something and=0A plugged ou r beat up old NC-5 power cart in. The prop spun. They arrived=0A =C2- bef ore we could finish the paper work. =0A=0ALuckily the prop once again misse d the cart cables and people. =0A=0AThe moral :=0A=0AProps=0A are dangerous and even if the engine doesn't start a spinning prop is =0Areally upsettin g. Thinking about what could go wrong is not a bad idea. =0A=0ABut wait the re's more it slices and dices. =0A=0AGenerators=0A depend on the voltage re gulator to disconnect them from the battery. If=0A the isolator contact in the regulator sticks it will become a motor. =0AUnlike alternators they do not have diodes. =0A=0AThe procedure on =0Amost aircraft ( warning this is very old memory sludge) is to start the =0Aengines and then turn on=0A the generators. Observing the charge discharge amp meter to make sure =0Athings are good. The regulator grounds the field. If it is not grounded =0Athings don't work right. =0A=0AGeorge=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________ _________=0A From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics. com" =0ASent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 12: 25 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Electrical Layout=0A =0A=0AGood ideas George, thanks. My T&B says 13.75v and .8 A. Also for the voltmeter does it connect between ground and bus bar with no fuse?=0AThanks for all the help !=0A=0ASent from my iPad=0AJack Textor=0A=0AOn Jan 16, 2013, at 2:54 PM, Ge orge Abernathy wrote:=0A=0A=0AHello Jack,=0A>=0A>The wire sizes are ok. Larger is=C2- better for voltage drop. The main purpos e of circuit breakers seems to be protecting the wire. Most aircraft radios and instruments die pretty quietly. =0A>=0A>The wire for the trim could be larger for ruggedness and=C2- for voltage drop. =0A>Motors pull a lot of current on when they start. Usually about 6 times the running current. Tha t does not mean the circuit breaker or fuse needs to be 6 times the running current. Circuit breakers and fuses are made to support the higher current during motor start.=C2-=C2- =0A>=0A>Wire tends to be sized to fit the connectors on the various things. For instance the encoder will most likely have a sub =0A>D connector.=C2- 22 and 24 gauge=C2- fit nicely in the solder cups or crimp pins. The newer radios have high density sub D=0A conn ectors and a 22 gauge is going to be difficult to fit. For power they somet imes supply a special pin that will accept a larger wire. =0A>=0A>Power and ground wires need to be big enough for voltage drop=C2- and still fit in the connectors. The manufacturers of most aircraft stuff are pretty good a t recommending the minimum wire sizes and circuit breaker requirements. One place that can be problems is encoder power. The power switches in the old er transponders weren't strong enough for the solid state encoders. They ha d or may still have a heater in them to stabilize the altitude sensors. =0A >=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> From: Jack <j ack(at)textors.com>=0A>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0A>Sent: Wednesday, J anuary 16, 2013 10:39 PM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Electrical Layout =0A> =0A>=0A>Electrical Layout =0A>George thanks for the info! I googled =0Aflashing the field and may leave that to someone that knows more about i tAlso=0Awhen you mention smaller breakers, should the wire size be reduced, I think=0ABengalis stated that relationship? =0A>=C2-=0A>Jack T extor=0A>Des Moines, IA=0A>=C2-=0A>=0A>________________________________ =0A> =0A>From:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-piete npol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Abernathy=0A>Sent: Tues day, January 15, 2013=0A9:29 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A>Subj ect: Re: Pietenpol-List:=0AElectrical Layout=0A>=C2-=0A>Hi there=0AJack, =0A>=0A>The transponder and encoder can run off the same breaker max 5 amps . The turn=0Aand bank plus gauges could be a 5 amp breaker. Check your turn and bank and I=0Aexpect that it runs on about two amps. =0A>=0A>Ah a gener ator. Looks like it is wired correctly. A shield over its output lead=0Awou ld be good also. =0A>=0A>Shields are a thing known as a "faraday" shield. T hey usually work=0Abest grounded in only one place. The engine block is pro bably best. If current=0Aflows through them they tend to become ground loop s. =0A>=0A>Don't forget to flash your field=0A>=0A>George=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2 -=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> =0A>From:Jack=0A=0A>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0A>Sent: Wednesday, January 16 , 2013=0A11:56 AM=0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List:=0AElectrical Layout=0A>=C2- =0A>For=0Athosethatunderstandelectricalstuff please take a look=0Aat the at tached sketch of my planned electrical system. I have not included the=0Ama gs.Please share any flaws or concernsbecause this is an area=0AI know very little about. Years ago Iinstalledacigarette=0Alighter in my boat, it only worked when the spot light was on and I burned my=0Anose testing it!=C2- Not sure on theammeter hookup. Also=0Awould appreciate input for installing a voltmeter instead of the amp gauge.=0A>Thanks!=0A>Jack=0A><<...>> =0A>Ja ck Textor=0A>Des Moines, IA=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>http://forums.matronics.com=0A>http: //www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>=C2-=0A>http://www.matro==== ================ =0A>=0A>=0A>==== =======0A>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A ===========0Acs.com=0A=========== =========================0A matronics.com/contribution=0A=============== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 17, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: gas tank material
Thank you Dennis, but I can't take credit for the welding itself. I fabricated the tank, but decided to send it out for welding. My article in a past news letter mentions whom did the welding. (I don't remember his name at the moment.) Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Steel Parts
From: "Harvey Plummer" <plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 17, 2013
I purchase a set of Pietenpol plans. I thought I would spend some winter days making steel parts. I noticed that Aircraft Spruce has a Steel Kit for the Piet. It includes .063", .090" and .125" thick 4130 sheets. When studying the plans I see parts made of .030", .060", .075" and .090" thick material. Can all parts be made using the ACS kit? Thanks. Harv -------- Harv, 485PB Read this topic online here:


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