Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-lz
February 09, 2013 - February 18, 2013
Your thread offended many and wasted a lot of people's time. And now
you have offended me again with your passive aggressive subject line
"Attack? (what are we doping here?)". Is this your way of calling me a
dope for calling you out publicly for your inconsiderate treatment of
Michael. Sounds like it, but maybe you're making a different point.
It's so hard to tell.
Think about it sir. And, yes, you still owe Michael Perez a profound
apology. No matter how you spin it, he was offended.
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From: Robert Dewenter <rdewenter(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:18 PM
Subject: FW: Attack? (what are we doping here?)
To: gbacon67(at)gmail.com
Greg, I did not mean to exclude you.
From: Robert Dewenter [mailto:rdewenter(at)woh.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 3:13 PM
To: 'brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com'
Cc: 'speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net'
Subject: Attack? (what are we doping here?)
Brian, Mike
I most certainly did not Attack anyone. I asked three questions=85I
was asking if the info I was given was accurate. In fact the point of
the post, which you missed was to find out if the people on this list
were allowing dangerous information to be spread.
As it turns out, the answer was no. While People are making unique
construction and then selling this to others as advice, it=92s not
dangerous information, just information that is different and unique.
I have no problem with anyone being unique and trying to come up with
better solutions. I do have a problem with unsafe information being
passed as good advice. When I find an example Ill point it out.
I think you need to be more careful before accusing someone of
attacking another.
Bob Dewenter
Dayton OH
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Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
NX114D(Mountain Piet)
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02/08/13
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Some decals went on today! |
Very n ice; tha t between the wars star has always been my favorite.
Jim B.
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Attacking in a new direction? (No doping here just latex) |
OK after several years of sitting on the fence I made the leap. I purchased John
Kuhfahl's Pietenpol project.
John has fixed everything right. He did all the technical stuff. John did a a great
job, he pulled off anything that he thought needed work and redid it. His
standards are very high. I am very fortunate to have been in a position in my
life where I was able to get this great plane. I happened to have the money,
a place to work on the plane and my wife was in a good mood (I bought her a new
car. while I drive a tiny old Corolla and a 24 year old Suburban.)
John overhauled the Continental A65. It is a total job, carb and mags were overhauled
as well. John has a very good reputation here in this area for his engine
work, especially on small Continentals. He totally restored an Ercoupe to
show winning quality.
It is my intention to complete what needs to be done to fly safely, then I will
finish assembly and go fly. Then I will come back and look at such things as
paint jobs, upholstery and other trim items. I do want to put heel brakes in the
front cockpit. Later, for now I will do what I need to to get it flying. In
a month, I will be moving out of this blasted apartment into a place with a garage.
I will bring the plane there so that I can get work done every day. I hope
to have it pretty much ready in three months.
John and I have been friends for years and we feel like it has been kept "within
the family." I hangar my Bonanza at 8t8 where John lives and has his hangar.
I am buying a hangar there and have many friends there. Indeed the plane was
begun by the 8T8 EAA chapter (35) and when they stalled, it was taken over by
the chapter president. He completed it about 1975. It was later sold to anouther
8T8 pilot. He flew it until about 1993 and then stuck it in his garage. John
bought it from him about 2 years ago and started work. I don't think it has
ever been based anywhere but 8T8.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Attacking in a new direction? (No doping here just |
latex)
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Steve, this is great. And congratulations to John, too, for finding
his project a new home that is a familiar home. I got to see it a
couple of years ago when he was just beginning the restoration. It
sounds like he's done a nice job of it. Cheers, Ken
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
wrote:
>
> OK after several years of sitting on the fence I made the leap. I purchased John
Kuhfahl's Pietenpol project.
>
> John has fixed everything right. He did all the technical stuff. John did a a
great job, he pulled off anything that he thought needed work and redid it. His
standards are very high. I am very fortunate to have been in a position in
my life where I was able to get this great plane. I happened to have the money,
a place to work on the plane and my wife was in a good mood (I bought her a
new car. while I drive a tiny old Corolla and a 24 year old Suburban.)
>
> John overhauled the Continental A65. It is a total job, carb and mags were overhauled
as well. John has a very good reputation here in this area for his engine
work, especially on small Continentals. He totally restored an Ercoupe to
show winning quality.
>
> It is my intention to complete what needs to be done to fly safely, then I will
finish assembly and go fly. Then I will come back and look at such things as
paint jobs, upholstery and other trim items. I do want to put heel brakes in
the front cockpit. Later, for now I will do what I need to to get it flying.
In a month, I will be moving out of this blasted apartment into a place with a
garage. I will bring the plane there so that I can get work done every day. I
hope to have it pretty much ready in three months.
>
> John and I have been friends for years and we feel like it has been kept "within
the family." I hangar my Bonanza at 8t8 where John lives and has his hangar.
I am buying a hangar there and have many friends there. Indeed the plane was
begun by the 8T8 EAA chapter (35) and when they stalled, it was taken over by
the chapter president. He completed it about 1975. It was later sold to anouther
8T8 pilot. He flew it until about 1993 and then stuck it in his garage. John
bought it from him about 2 years ago and started work. I don't think it has
ever been based anywhere but 8T8.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Attacking in a new direction? (No doping here just |
latex)
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Sounds like a fun project... neat that is has changed hands several times but never
left home.
Good Luck with that!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Some decals went on today! |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
That'll look really neat. Demo it to the Army Air Corp when done. They may just
put in an order for a fleet of them for recon work over Afghanistan. Senate should
approve them, since they're budget friendly.
Larry
N2308C
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| From: | "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | drilling streamling tubing |
I am trying to figure out how to drill the cabanne struts, but drawing a
blank. If the stuff was round then a vee block would hold it, but
streamlined tubing doesn=99t work in a v shape. Holes need to be
on the same plane lengthwise and also not drilled twisted if you
understand what I mean. What is the secret method everyone else is
using?
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: drilling streamling tubing |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Calibrated eyeball.
Level the tube length with the table. Sight from the end (looking into the s
treamline) to make sure going through tube in proper plane. Bushing going in
anyway, right? Can be a little off but make sure bushing is square before w
elding.
Gene
On Feb 9, 2013, at 4:41 PM, "Dennis Engelkenjohn" wrot
e:
> I am trying to figure out how to drill the cabanne struts, but drawing a b
lank. If the stuff was round then a vee block would hold it, but streamlined
tubing doesn=99t work in a v shape. Holes need to be on the same plan
e lengthwise and also not drilled twisted if you understand what I mean. Wha
t is the secret method everyone else is using?
> Dennis
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| From: | "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: drilling streamling tubing |
Shoot.... I was afraid of that. Being really nearsighted, I mean coke
bottle glasses nearsighted, my calibration is not precise. Get what you
mean with the bushing though, dremel tool being my buddy almost as much
as my Fein tool.
Dennis
From: Gene Rambo
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: drilling streamling tubing
Calibrated eyeball.
Level the tube length with the table. Sight from the end (looking into
the streamline) to make sure going through tube in proper plane. Bushing
going in anyway, right? Can be a little off but make sure bushing is
square before welding.
Gene
On Feb 9, 2013, at 4:41 PM, "Dennis Engelkenjohn"
wrote:
I am trying to figure out how to drill the cabanne struts, but drawing
a blank. If the stuff was round then a vee block would hold it, but
streamlined tubing doesn=99t work in a v shape. Holes need to be
on the same plane lengthwise and also not drilled twisted if you
understand what I mean. What is the secret method everyone else is
using?
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: drilling streamling tubing |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I mark where I need the hole on both sides. I make saddles to hold the stock on
the bandsaw. I drill each side separately, undersized. I assemble the whole
mess, step drill closer, then ream to fit.
Important to have a really sharp self centering drill bit (I sharpen my own using
a 4 facet method), but off the shelf chisel points work pretty well too.
High speed generally works better in thin metal as well to prevent wandering.
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | drilling streamling tubing |
Hi Dennis,
Gene gave you the quick and sensible method, here is my "do everything the hardest
possible way method".
Make a cardboard cutout profile of the streamlined tube from leading edge to max
of the minor dimension, use this to mark the same spot on each end. Cut a wood
profile from mid LE to mid TE, use this as a saddle when you drill the hole
at each end. And after you weld the first bushing, stick a rod or bolt in it
to use as a site when you weld in the other end.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Engelkenjohn
Sent: 2/9/2013 4:40:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: drilling streamling tubing
I am trying to figure out how to drill the cabanne struts, but drawing a blank.
If the stuff was round then a vee block would hold it, but streamlined tubing
doesnt work in a v shape. Holes need to be on the same plane lengthwise and also
not drilled twisted if you understand what I mean. What is the secret method
everyone else is using?
Dennis
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| From: | JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | landing gear questions |
Thanks to Chris, Oscar, Mark Chouinard, Mark McKellar, & Terry Hand for your responses.
Does anyone know who sells back copies of the BPA Newsletters? They sound
like they would be good to have around.
Thanks
Joe Swithin
Gathering parts
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| Subject: | Re: landing gear questions |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I think Markle is selling them. [Laughing]
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: landing gear questions |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Contact Doc Mosher, sure he's got them as well. Not sure if he's also got all
the OLD ones, I bought ALL of them from day 1 until the mid '90s (Frank P and
Grant M days) and have them here if you just can't find them. Pretty sure they're
available though.
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| From: | "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | drilling streamlined tubing |
Thanks for the help guys! I was thinking about Skips method but was
hoping someone had an easy to make jig or fixture. That=99s what
will probably go with.
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: Some decals went on today! |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Where did you get/order the decals?
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | drilling streamling tubing |
Dennis
I just got finished fabricating my cabanne struts. Attached are pictures of
the jig I used to hold the struts for drilling. Worked great for me.
Problem was my drill press holes and my holes in the lower fittings were not
perfectly aligned. My cabannes were not vertical when I bolted them in. To
fix it I ended up remaking the inner lower fittings and used the cabanne as
a drill guide while holding the cabanne vertical. Alternatively, what I did
for the upper bolt holes was to drill one side the correct size and one just
slightly larger. Then I tacked the bushing into the cabanne holes on the
tight fitting side and check its fit into the upper wing fitting. If it
needed adjustment, and they all did, I was able to move it around with a
light blow from a hammer. When I had it where I wanted it I tacked it on
the other side, and checked its fit. When I was happy I completed the
welding. Took a long time waiting for it to cool between fitting but it
worked.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Engelkenjohn
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 1:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: drilling streamling tubing
I am trying to figure out how to drill the cabanne struts, but drawing a
blank. If the stuff was round then a vee block would hold it, but
streamlined tubing doesn't work in a v shape. Holes need to be on the same
plane lengthwise and also not drilled twisted if you understand what I mean.
What is the secret method everyone else is using?
Dennis
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| Subject: | ribblett/ piet airfoils |
| From: | "proplock" <proplock(at)federatedwildblue.com> |
let's muddy the waters a little more, how does the dasterly GN-1 airfoil compare?
supposedly the g-1 was an improvement, but how so?
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: ribblett/ piet airfoils |
----- Original Message -----
From: "proplock" <proplock(at)federatedwildblue.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 9:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ribblett/ piet airfoils
>
>
> let's muddy the waters a little more, how does the dasterly GN-1 airfoil
> compare? supposedly the g-1 was an improvement, but how so?
>
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> A remarkable lad , capable of many things
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393946#393946
>
>
>
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: ribblett/ piet airfoils |
Concerning the GN-1 airfoil, I read that it was supposed to improve the
climb of the Piet over one with the Pietenpol airfoil. I don't know if that
is the truth. I guess we would have to have someone with access to two
comparable planes weight-wise etc. with same type engine/prop and two
different airfoils to compare the two. I have the GN-1 airfoil in my wing
simply because I had a full-size rib plan of the GN-1 and had started my
ribs before I got the plans for the Piet.
----- Original Message -----
From: "proplock" <proplock(at)federatedwildblue.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 9:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ribblett/ piet airfoils
>
>
> let's muddy the waters a little more, how does the dasterly GN-1 airfoil
> compare? supposedly the g-1 was an improvement, but how so?
>
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> A remarkable lad , capable of many things
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393946#393946
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>
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: Uncle Jack's Piets |
Here is some more information on the Jack Reber Pietenpol's that are now
for sale in central Indiana. The message below was written by Alan
Reber, Jack's nephew. Alan has a Tiger Moth and a nice Interstate Cadet
he usually flies up to Brodhead for the fall MAAC fly in. These are nice
airplanes and the Scout has a fresh Model B engine.
-john-
> To all in Chapter 226
> Hey guys,
>
> Jeff Moore posted some basic information about the availability for
sale of my uncle's aeroplanes after I talked to several of you at the
Wednesday Nighters this last week. Since yesterday I've received two
phone calls and six e-mails inquiring as to the price, etc., of both the
Scout and the Aircamper so there seems to be some real interest and I
haven't even tried to advertise the sale yet. Some of the e-mails have
come from people I don't know so I can't say if they are just tire
kickers or if they have a real desire to buy, but its obvious that
people are interested. I've talked to several knowledgeable people and
I've gotten practically the exact same advice from all as to the value
of the aeroplanes. I plan on asking $11000 for the Scout (this is on
the advice of John Hofmann who says that the freshly overhauled Model B
engine is a real plus) and $16000 for the Aircamper. Of course the
actual sale price will depend on the real demand (i.e. who's willing to
write a check and for how much) but I'll be up-front about the terms and
conditions.
>
> First, let me say that, through my cousin Phil Reber (uncle Jack's
middle son and owner of Merit Tool--uncle's former business) who is my
aunt's official representative, I've been given full power to negotiate
the sale of both aircraft. That said, my first concern is to sell these
birds to my aunt's best advantage. I have no personal agenda other than
to see that she is properly advised and represented.
>
> Second, these aircraft will be sold on a good faith basis in an "as
is" condition with no on-going responsibility, i.e. no written or
implied guarantees or warranties. These are home-built aircraft and all
who would buy such will understand this.
>
> Third, before the sale of either or both aircraft they will be given a
condition inspection and signed-of accordingly. This means that the
Scout will have the engine installed before sale (unless the buyer
expressly desires to do the installation himself) and both aircraft will
be in a 'fly-away' condition. Terms concerning the delivery of the
aircraft can be negotiated (I would be willing to ferry the aircraft a
reasonable distance to the new owner subject to my work schedules and
weather--read temperature!!). With this in mind I need volunteers to do
the engine installation and sign-off the condition inspections. See
below.
>
> Notwithstanding the conditions above, I do have a personal interest in
keeping one or both of the Piets locally (the Muncie, Anderson,
Pendleton, Indy area) if possible and would be willing to form a
syndicate to keep them here. In other words, I might be willing to form
a partnership with some like-minded guys to own the ONE of the the
birds. If I do this it would mean a partnership with each shareholder
owning an equal part of the aeroplane and sharing the fixed costs. I
would insist on having at least a liability insurance policy covering
each owner. Haul coverage would be by mutual consent. If there was no
haul coverage, that would mean that if you break it, you just bought-out
all of the other partners. We would also share in the maintenance of
the aircraft. Ideally the machine would be located on a suitable grass
strip in, of course, a hangar. If we have three, four or five partners
no one will have that much in it and it would be "cheap" flying (I
know--an oxymoron) and would, I think, be a lot of fun. The above is
food for thought. If anyone is seriously interested please let me know
as soon as possible.
>
> Another route to keeping one of the Piets locally would be to have it
as a 'Chapter' aeroplane. The same conditions as above would apply,
there would just be more owners.
>
> In either case, IF THERE IS A REAL INTEREST, please let me know as
soon as possible as I'm bound by my responsibility to Aunt Janelle to
move these aeroplanes in a reasonable period of time. She is not
distressed (i.e. she isn't desperate for the money) but there is no
interest in letting the aeroplanes sit around waiting for the buyer to
make up their mind.
>
> Feel free to call me on my cell (317-694-5339) or e-mail me at
cadetmoth2(at)yahoo.com anytime.
>
> Thanks guys for all of your help and support.
>
> Alan Reber
>
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| Subject: | Re: Some decals went on today! |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> Where did you get/order the decals?
I had them made at a local sign shop.... I gave them a picture of it and they scanned
it.
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NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Some decals went on today! |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
K5YAC wrote:
> Looks nice!
>
> Looking a bit beyond the olive drab... what is the OTHER spoked rim attached
to? Hmmmm
That's a motorcycle project on hold until the Piet is done....
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NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Some decals went on today! |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
[quote="jack(at)textors.com"]Chris it looks great except the color :) you beat
me!
I think another with olive drab would be cool! We can fly in formation and have
our own squadron.
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Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Some decals went on today! |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
Thanks! I have to give some credit to Douwe... After discussing my paint scheme
with him he nudged me into the ww1 theme. I initially was going to go with the
1943-45 WWII logo, but this is more period correct.
[quote="speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.n"]Chris, that looks great! I love the war-bird
look of the decal...and the wing color. We have similar tastes is this regard.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
> [b]
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Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
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| Subject: | Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
As some of you know, part of my Piet build program is learning to fly. An opportunity
arose and I started learning to fly under part 141 with a local community
college.
Pilot training in a Cessna 172
I had two more flying lessons this week. My original feeling of being overwhelmed
has been replaced with frustration. It takes me a few hours after each lesson
to think about what happened and why. I'm getting upset at myself for not
getting everything quickly. I think we all hope when we start something like
this that we are going to be "naturals" and it will come to us quickly. My
instructor tells me I'm doing fine but I have my doubts.
The bad stuff:
1. Although my taxiing has improved I still over-steer and use brakes for steering
too often.
2. The throttle control is still foreign to me and sometimes I push instead of
pull and vice-versa.
3. I don't use enough rudder and my instructor wants me to get used to this as
he knows I will be flying a Pietenpol some day.
4. My instructor covers up important gauges like the airspeed indicator on take
off as he wants me to "feel" when the plane is ready to fly. I feel nothing.
5. My transition and entry into the traffic pattern stinks as I seem to be very
busy watching altitude, speed, flaps, traffic and everything else my instructor
is saying in my headset.
6. My landings suck. I bounced it yesterday and missed the centerline.
The good stuff:
1. Instructor says I'm fine.
2. Flying does not scare me or am I nervous when in the plane.
3. He trusted me with the preflight yesterday.
4. If pushed I believe I could do everything but land. (He's says I could land
if he passed out and we would walk away from it.)
5. I've only had three lessons, three landings, and logged 2.6 hours of flight
instruction.
John
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | drilling streamling tubing |
Dennis, I have a video clip, (for an upcoming HINT Video) -that may help
you with the drilling.- This clip is is under 3 min. long. If interested,
I can email it to you.
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What I used was a vice with a "V" groove in it. This will hold the strut on
the same plane as the drill press/mill table. (Parallel)- If the press/m
ill is set up correctly, the strut/vice and drill bit/chuck will be perpend
icular to each other.- At this point you only need to get the angle of th
e strut in the vice correct. (Think angle of attack.) If you hold the drill
bit in the drill, chuck-and lower it down over the end of the strut, you
can eyeball the drill bit to the strut to get your 90 deg. Again, adjustin
g the "angle of attack" of the strut to get 90 deg. to the drill bit.
-
You can also buy "V" groove inserts for vices that do not have them built i
n.
-
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2013, at 7:53 AM, "John Francis" wrote:
>
> As some of you know, part of my Piet build program is learning to fly. An opportunity
arose and I started learning to fly under part 141 with a local community
college.
>
>
>
> Pilot training in a Cessna 172
>
> I had two more flying lessons this week. My original feeling of being overwhelmed
has been replaced with frustration. It takes me a few hours after each
lesson to think about what happened and why. I'm getting upset at myself for
not getting everything quickly. I think we all hope when we start something like
this that we are going to be "naturals" and it will come to us quickly. My
instructor tells me I'm doing fine but I have my doubts.
>
> The bad stuff:
>
> 1. Although my taxiing has improved I still over-steer and use brakes for steering
too often.
> 2. The throttle control is still foreign to me and sometimes I push instead of
pull and vice-versa.
> 3. I don't use enough rudder and my instructor wants me to get used to this as
he knows I will be flying a Pietenpol some day.
> 4. My instructor covers up important gauges like the airspeed indicator on take
off as he wants me to "feel" when the plane is ready to fly. I feel nothing.
> 5. My transition and entry into the traffic pattern stinks as I seem to be very
busy watching altitude, speed, flaps, traffic and everything else my instructor
is saying in my headset.
> 6. My landings suck. I bounced it yesterday and missed the centerline.
>
> The good stuff:
>
> 1. Instructor says I'm fine.
> 2. Flying does not scare me or am I nervous when in the plane.
> 3. He trusted me with the preflight yesterday.
> 4. If pushed I believe I could do everything but land. (He's says I could land
if he passed out and we would walk away from it.)
> 5. I've only had three lessons, three landings, and logged 2.6 hours of flight
instruction.
>
> John
>
> --------
> John Francis
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393959#393959
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2013, at 7:53 AM, "John Francis" wrote:
>
> As some of you know, part of my Piet build program is learning to fly. An opportunity
arose and I started learning to fly under part 141 with a local community
college.
>
>
>
> Pilot training in a Cessna 172
>
> I had two more flying lessons this week. My original feeling of being overwhelmed
has been replaced with frustration. It takes me a few hours after each
lesson to think about what happened and why. I'm getting upset at myself for
not getting everything quickly. I think we all hope when we start something like
this that we are going to be "naturals" and it will come to us quickly. My
instructor tells me I'm doing fine but I have my doubts.
>
> The bad stuff:
>
> 1. Although my taxiing has improved I still over-steer and use brakes for steering
too often.
> 2. The throttle control is still foreign to me and sometimes I push instead of
pull and vice-versa.
> 3. I don't use enough rudder and my instructor wants me to get used to this as
he knows I will be flying a Pietenpol some day.
> 4. My instructor covers up important gauges like the airspeed indicator on take
off as he wants me to "feel" when the plane is ready to fly. I feel nothing.
> 5. My transition and entry into the traffic pattern stinks as I seem to be very
busy watching altitude, speed, flaps, traffic and everything else my instructor
is saying in my headset.
> 6. My landings suck. I bounced it yesterday and missed the centerline.
>
> The good stuff:
>
> 1. Instructor says I'm fine.
> 2. Flying does not scare me or am I nervous when in the plane.
> 3. He trusted me with the preflight yesterday.
> 4. If pushed I believe I could do everything but land. (He's says I could land
if he passed out and we would walk away from it.)
> 5. I've only had three lessons, three landings, and logged 2.6 hours of flight
instruction.
>
> John
>
> --------
> John Francis
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393959#393959
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
John, congratulations on starting your flying. I am in ground school now an
d am saving up the funds to at least get a few flight hours in soon.
-
You are and will continue to do fine.- It sounds like you have very littl
e flying experience and you are starting to learn everything from scratch.
This could be a good thing as you are a clean slate with no bad habbit or t
endencies.- The biggest assest I hear from what you said is that you are
conmfortable and not affraid when in the air.- That is all you need...eve
rything else will come with time and practice.
-
I wish I was flying now!- I have done a fair amount of it, (not PIC) incl
uding areobatics and love it. Looking forward to being where you are now...
in the air and logging hours!
-
Best wishes.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Sorry, stupid I-phone! Meant to respond directly to John and kept touching the
'send' button. I need a 3 sec delay...
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2013, at 7:58 AM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 7:53 AM, "John Francis" wrote:
>
>>
>> As some of you know, part of my Piet build program is learning to fly. An opportunity
arose and I started learning to fly under part 141 with a local community
college.
>>
>>
>>
>> Pilot training in a Cessna 172
>>
>> I had two more flying lessons this week. My original feeling of being overwhelmed
has been replaced with frustration. It takes me a few hours after each
lesson to think about what happened and why. I'm getting upset at myself for
not getting everything quickly. I think we all hope when we start something
like this that we are going to be "naturals" and it will come to us quickly.
My instructor tells me I'm doing fine but I have my doubts.
>>
>> The bad stuff:
>>
>> 1. Although my taxiing has improved I still over-steer and use brakes for steering
too often.
>> 2. The throttle control is still foreign to me and sometimes I push instead
of pull and vice-versa.
>> 3. I don't use enough rudder and my instructor wants me to get used to this
as he knows I will be flying a Pietenpol some day.
>> 4. My instructor covers up important gauges like the airspeed indicator on take
off as he wants me to "feel" when the plane is ready to fly. I feel nothing.
>> 5. My transition and entry into the traffic pattern stinks as I seem to be very
busy watching altitude, speed, flaps, traffic and everything else my instructor
is saying in my headset.
>> 6. My landings suck. I bounced it yesterday and missed the centerline.
>>
>> The good stuff:
>>
>> 1. Instructor says I'm fine.
>> 2. Flying does not scare me or am I nervous when in the plane.
>> 3. He trusted me with the preflight yesterday.
>> 4. If pushed I believe I could do everything but land. (He's says I could land
if he passed out and we would walk away from it.)
>> 5. I've only had three lessons, three landings, and logged 2.6 hours of flight
instruction.
>>
>> John
>>
>> --------
>> John Francis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393959#393959
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | Matthew <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
Sounds like you are doing just fine John, and it also sounds like you have a pretty
good instructor, who did you end up with? I'm looking to start there next
semester.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2013, at 10:53 AM, "John Francis" wrote:
>
> As some of you know, part of my Piet build program is learning to fly. An opportunity
arose and I started learning to fly under part 141 with a local community
college.
>
>
>
> Pilot training in a Cessna 172
>
> I had two more flying lessons this week. My original feeling of being overwhelmed
has been replaced with frustration. It takes me a few hours after each
lesson to think about what happened and why. I'm getting upset at myself for
not getting everything quickly. I think we all hope when we start something like
this that we are going to be "naturals" and it will come to us quickly. My
instructor tells me I'm doing fine but I have my doubts.
>
> The bad stuff:
>
> 1. Although my taxiing has improved I still over-steer and use brakes for steering
too often.
> 2. The throttle control is still foreign to me and sometimes I push instead of
pull and vice-versa.
> 3. I don't use enough rudder and my instructor wants me to get used to this as
he knows I will be flying a Pietenpol some day.
> 4. My instructor covers up important gauges like the airspeed indicator on take
off as he wants me to "feel" when the plane is ready to fly. I feel nothing.
> 5. My transition and entry into the traffic pattern stinks as I seem to be very
busy watching altitude, speed, flaps, traffic and everything else my instructor
is saying in my headset.
> 6. My landings suck. I bounced it yesterday and missed the centerline.
>
> The good stuff:
>
> 1. Instructor says I'm fine.
> 2. Flying does not scare me or am I nervous when in the plane.
> 3. He trusted me with the preflight yesterday.
> 4. If pushed I believe I could do everything but land. (He's says I could land
if he passed out and we would walk away from it.)
> 5. I've only had three lessons, three landings, and logged 2.6 hours of flight
instruction.
>
> John
>
> --------
> John Francis
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393959#393959
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | fabricating music wire springs |
Gentelmen, Have any of you ever wound your own springs from music wire?-
I had to fabricate a double torsion spring for the locking tailwheel I am b
uilding.- I have the spring wound and formed (its made from .062" music w
ire) and has plenty of torsion, but I am wondering what temperature to stre
ss relieve it at.- I have read (on the internet) anywhere from 375 to 500
F for 30-60 min.- I just want to make sure that I don't soften the wire a
nd weaken the spring, as well as run my electric bill up running my wifes o
ven at 500 degrees for an hour.
-
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Shawn Riffee is my instructor.
--------
John Francis
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | drilling streamling tubing |
I was thinking, what about making a block with a streamlined cutout, then c
ut the block in half with a table saw so the cutout was cut in half.- The
n you could clamp the tube in the form block and have a flat 90 degree plat
form for drilling.- The-time consuming-part will be making the cutout
accuratly so that it will give you consistant accurate results.
-
Just a thought,
Shad
--- On Sun, 2/10/13, Michael Perez wrote:
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: drilling streamling tubing
Date: Sunday, February 10, 2013, 10:59 AM
Dennis, I have a video clip, (for an upcoming HINT Video) -that may help
you with the drilling.- This clip is is under 3 min. long. If interested,
I can email it to you.
-
What I used was a vice with a "V" groove in it. This will hold the strut on
the same plane as the drill press/mill table. (Parallel)- If the press/m
ill is set up correctly, the strut/vice and drill bit/chuck will be perpend
icular to each other.- At this point you only need to get the angle of th
e strut in the vice correct. (Think angle of attack.) If you hold the drill
bit in the drill, chuck-and lower it down over the end of the strut, you
can eyeball the drill bit to the strut to get your 90 deg. Again, adjustin
g the "angle of attack" of the strut to get 90 deg. to the drill bit.
-
You can also buy "V" groove inserts for vices that do not have them built i
n.
-
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Some decals went on today! |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Chris, Would you have the contact intel on that local sign shop handy? My GN-1
"warbird" is painted in P6 Hawk colors...only thing missing are those exact decals.
Thx in advance...
Larry N2308C
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Hang in there Matthew. My first takeoffs in the 140 (taildragger) were horrible,
going from one side of the runway to the other, with my instructor correcting
and giving it back to me.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Feb 10, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Matthew wrote:
>
> Sounds like you are doing just fine John, and it also sounds like you have a
pretty good instructor, who did you end up with? I'm looking to start there next
semester.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 10:53 AM, "John Francis" wrote:
>
>>
>> As some of you know, part of my Piet build program is learning to fly. An opportunity
arose and I started learning to fly under part 141 with a local community
college.
>>
>>
>>
>> Pilot training in a Cessna 172
>>
>> I had two more flying lessons this week. My original feeling of being overwhelmed
has been replaced with frustration. It takes me a few hours after each
lesson to think about what happened and why. I'm getting upset at myself for
not getting everything quickly. I think we all hope when we start something
like this that we are going to be "naturals" and it will come to us quickly.
My instructor tells me I'm doing fine but I have my doubts.
>>
>> The bad stuff:
>>
>> 1. Although my taxiing has improved I still over-steer and use brakes for steering
too often.
>> 2. The throttle control is still foreign to me and sometimes I push instead
of pull and vice-versa.
>> 3. I don't use enough rudder and my instructor wants me to get used to this
as he knows I will be flying a Pietenpol some day.
>> 4. My instructor covers up important gauges like the airspeed indicator on take
off as he wants me to "feel" when the plane is ready to fly. I feel nothing.
>> 5. My transition and entry into the traffic pattern stinks as I seem to be very
busy watching altitude, speed, flaps, traffic and everything else my instructor
is saying in my headset.
>> 6. My landings suck. I bounced it yesterday and missed the centerline.
>>
>> The good stuff:
>>
>> 1. Instructor says I'm fine.
>> 2. Flying does not scare me or am I nervous when in the plane.
>> 3. He trusted me with the preflight yesterday.
>> 4. If pushed I believe I could do everything but land. (He's says I could land
if he passed out and we would walk away from it.)
>> 5. I've only had three lessons, three landings, and logged 2.6 hours of flight
instruction.
>>
>> John
>>
>> --------
>> John Francis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393959#393959
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Some decals went on today! |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
...attempted warbird attachment photo..
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Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/warbird_121.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
About everything associated with learning to fly is N E W. It's just gonna take
some time for you to start assimilating it all.
Being frustrated is fine, but don't let it get to you too much. It's like stress,
stress is good as long as you don't let it get past the performance enhancing
level, ya know?
I taught a lot in the Navy, and about everything I taught was very new to the students,
weird esoteric stuff and they seemed to have the same reactions you're
having (which I remember having very well). I found that when you're frustrated
all around like this, it all tends to just come together at once as well.
Something to consider talking to your instructor about is either concentrating
on one little thing a bit more (so that you get it sooner with the associated
feeling of accomplishment) or spread out even more (so that you don't get very
frustrated with any one thing too much). Everyone is different, so maybe bring
it up, experiment a bit and see if you can find a pace that fits your style
of learning more.
I have found that once you do get frustrated with something, like landings, after
a couple bad ones, just give it up a bit (like to the next lesson or something)
and let what you have learned soak in a bit.
Not feeling the airplane is almost always accompanied by being very tense. We
used to call is squeezing the black juice out of the stick grip... Try to consciously
let go of the yoke (or throttle) every so often and physically loosen
up your arm! It's VERY normal to get an arm, or feet, so tight you'll get cramps!
When I was getting my tailwheel endorsement last year, my legs would be
sore at the end of the lesson from pushing with BOTH my feet so much.
When ever I'd suspect a student doing that, I'd reach down and nudge the stick
(tandam seating, so couldn't look and see). Every once in a while I'd find I
couldn't BUDGE the stick at all. I imagine I'd get up to 15 lbs of force or more
on the stick before they'd even notice.
The MOST IMPORTANT thing of all is that you enjoy it. Unfortunately flying lessons
are expensive, but it may also be worth considering doing something fun in
the plane, rather than just LEARN the whole flight. Go somewhere, fly some
REALLY wide large patterns to just slow things down some and relax, take along
your spouse, kid, friend, and let them take a turn in the hot seat while you
watch a few (you'd be AMAZED at what you learn by sitting back about 18 inches...)
landings or whatever.
One not often used thing I would do with some students was to become a voice activated
auto pilot. I'd have them direct my every move... that made them aware
of everything, without using their muscles to get it done, seemed to increase
a level of awareness once in a while. Conversely, sometimes I'd take away a
function or two and let them JUST do what they needed a little help with (to
the point of flying angle of attack landings while they did NOTHING but move the
throttle).
Every student and instructor are different, and your interaction is unique. At
3 hrs or so, if he feels you can fly without killing him, you're doing FINE!
Seriously.
Remember, everyone out here not flying a lot, is jealous. Revel in your luck and
have fun for us, keep coming back and telling us about it so we can live vicariously!
Cheers,
Tools (who really took a trip down memory lane listening to some of those "woes")
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Uncle Jack's Piets |
| From: | "Jeffro" <Jeffgabes(at)yahoo.com> |
Any Chance you could include more details on the Pietenpol? Buyers like me are
looking for total time on engine, and SMOH, empty weight, how many gallons the
fuel tank holds, year built (1979 sound right?) any photos of the panel and
any other details like how many hours flown in the last year.
Thanks
Jeff Gabrielson
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
John... don't get too frustrated. At three hours I was probably still trying to
taxi with the yoke! Ok, maybe not.
While the minimum is 40 hours, I certainly wouldn't set your sights there. Be
patient. Some things will come easier than others. I'll go ahead and tell on
myself for the sake of encouragement... it took me 33 hours to solo...
Now that the laughter has died down, I'll add that I stopped and started flight
training twice in the first 25 hours due to work, school, life, etc. One of
those times was for a complete year, so with 15 hours or so I felt like I was
starting over, almost from scratch. None the less I got my license at 82 hours.
Waaay above the average of 60 hours or so, but I didn't care... it took as
long as it did for a variety of reasons. 1. Stopping and starting didn't help.
2. I didn't always fly regularly... sometimes a month would go by between
lessons... something to avoid if at all possible. 3. My instructor was very thorough...
when I did take my check ride I missed NOTHING! Was that worth a few
extra bucks/hours? I suppose.
As I said... some things will come easier than others... look forward to the things
that you are good at and make up your mind that you won't let them be a big
hurdle. My landings were bad for a long time (due to the reasons I've mentioned),
but radio work was no sweat! As an RTO in the Army and an Amateur Radio
operator, I already had this skill mastered, in fact I found it to be fun!
I personally know at least one person (maybe others) that quit flight training
because they couldn't get comfortable with the radio. Seem so odd to me, but
to them, it was apparently deal breaker. It certainly doesn't need to be. What
about the charts? If you have any experience with military map reading you
may find flight planning to be somewhat familiar and fun! Could be that there
are other things that you may not struggle with as much as others. Even if
it is all a challenge to you, it is well worth the effort... be patient, it will
come. One thing that you appear to have going for you is that it sounds like
you have a good instructor.
Another quick story and I'll stop... a friend of mine from grade school got his
ticket around the same time I did... we had not talked for over 20 years, but
found each other an began to catch up. Neither of us were surprised to find
out that we had both completed private flight training. What was different was
that it took me 82 hours to get my ticket while it only took him 42. I remember
thinking to myself... man, he must have been really good. Come to find out,
his instructor was a friend of his and from the very beginning their primary
goal was to get him checked out in the fewest hours possible... 42 is about
as low as it gets. One day, some time later, he was planning to use the club's
Cherokee for a cross country trip and he commented to me, "this is where I
really wish I would have got more training." While he got his license in well
below the average number of flight hours, he really wasn't comfortable with his
skills in a few areas where a minimum amount of attention was given. I looked
back at all the extra time I spent training and was glad that I didn't feel
the same.
Anyhow, there it is for what it's worth. The way to look at this adventure is
that it will take as long as it takes. I fully expect that if you fly regularly
you will soon be looking forward with confidence and an empty right seat. At
3 hours almost nothing was coming together for me. I understood the concept,
but I certainly wasn't "feeling" the airplane just yet. There are certainly
others on the list with WAY more knowledge and experience than I have, but from
a guy who didn't breeze through flight training, nor who has hundreds or thousands
of flight hours, I hope my story will give you some hope.
Hang in there, the fun is just now starting!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I"m with tools... keep us posted! I haven't flown PIC in a long time, and your
stories of training will likely bring up fond memories for many.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Uncle Jack's Piets |
I posted what I have. There is contact information in the message. I
would say if you are really serious, contact Alan and he will get you
whatever you need.
Best,
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Feb 10, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Jeffro wrote:
>
> Any Chance you could include more details on the Pietenpol? Buyers
like me are looking for total time on engine, and SMOH, empty weight,
how many gallons the fuel tank holds, year built (1979 sound right?) any
photos of the panel and any other details like how many hours flown in
the last year.
>
> Thanks
> Jeff Gabrielson
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393981#393981
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fabricating music wire springs |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Hey Shad,
I've made springs on a lathe with music wire, but I don't think I ever stressed
relieved them. Hmm... Maybe I should have.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Uncle Jack's Piets |
John,
Great progress and it sounds like you have a good instructor to mentor you. 2.6
is but a small amount of time and your will find yourself making great progress
soon enough as it sounds like you have the right attitude.
Listen to Tools, he makes some great points.
I have taught for several years and continue to do so - mostly in taildragger aircraft
at this point. A technique I would like to propose to you to help you
achieve your goals and maximize each lesson is the practice of "arm chair flying".
It sounds odd and ineffective but for many it's a real game changer. You
can do it as often as your lifestyle allows and the best part is it's FREE!
Flying is literally a collection of maneuvers which combine manipulation of flight
controls (primary and ancillary) and power. What tends to get students bogged
down and saturated in the early stages is the fact that anything you do
(start, taxi, take-off, climb, level-off....) Is a series of inputs required by
you. These inputs are not yet second nature (2.6 hours of experience) so as
you are confronted with the need to re-call the steps while consumed with maintaining
simple control of the airplane. Arm chair flying enables you to re-create
each one of the maneuvers in the comfort of your own home and practice them
like drill. The simplest form of armchair flying is simply sitting in a chair
with your eyes closed and visualizing a maneuver (ie Level Off - 50 feet
before target altitude slowly lower the nose to the cruise attitude, allow the
aircraft to accelerate, select cruise power, trim). Work the imaginary controls
with your hands and say the procedure aloud - repeat. Do this with each exercise
you've already done with your instructor. Do it as often as you can and
make a point of reviewing new items you learned on the day you learned them.
If you want to get fancy, buy a poster of your training plane panel, dry mount
it and put it in front of you while you arm chair fly. The next time you
go flying your instructor may accuse you of practicing with someone else between
lessons!
Good luck and enjoy the process. You'll do great!
Scott Knowlton.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 14:31:47
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Uncle Jack's Piets
Here is some more information on the Jack Reber Pietenpol's that are now for sale
in central Indiana. The message below was written by Alan Reber, Jack's nephew.
Alan has a Tiger Moth and a nice Interstate Cadet he usually flies up to
Brodhead for the fall MAAC fly in. These are nice airplanes and the Scout has
a fresh Model B engine.
-john-
> To all in Chapter 226
> Hey guys,
>
> Jeff Moore posted some basic information about the availability for sale of
my uncle's aeroplanes after I talked to several of you at the Wednesday Nighters
this last week. Since yesterday I've received two phone calls and six e-mails
inquiring as to the price, etc., of both the Scout and the Aircamper so there
seems to be some real interest and I haven't even tried to advertise the sale
yet. Some of the e-mails have come from people I don't know so I can't say
if they are just tire kickers or if they have a real desire to buy, but its obvious
that people are interested. I've talked to several knowledgeable people
and I've gotten practically the exact same advice from all as to the value of
the aeroplanes. I plan on asking $11000 for the Scout (this is on the advice of
John Hofmann who says that the freshly overhauled Model B engine is a real plus)
and $16000 for the Aircamper. Of course the actual sale price will depend
on the real demand (i.e. who's willing to write a check and for how much) but
I'll be up-front about the terms and conditions.
>
> First, let me say that, through my cousin Phil Reber (uncle Jack's middle son
and owner of Merit Tool--uncle's former business) who is my aunt's official
representative, I've been given full power to negotiate the sale of both aircraft.
That said, my first concern is to sell these birds to my aunt's best advantage.
I have no personal agenda other than to see that she is properly advised
and represented.
>
> Second, these aircraft will be sold on a good faith basis in an "as is" condition
with no on-going responsibility, i.e. no written or implied guarantees or
warranties. These are home-built aircraft and all who would buy such will understand
this.
>
> Third, before the sale of either or both aircraft they will be given a condition
inspection and signed-of accordingly. This means that the Scout will have
the engine installed before sale (unless the buyer expressly desires to do the
installation himself) and both aircraft will be in a 'fly-away' condition. Terms
concerning the delivery of the aircraft can be negotiated (I would be willing
to ferry the aircraft a reasonable distance to the new owner subject to my
work schedules and weather--read temperature!!). With this in mind I need volunteers
to do the engine installation and sign-off the condition inspections.
See below.
>
> Notwithstanding the conditions above, I do have a personal interest in keeping
one or both of the Piets locally (the Muncie, Anderson, Pendleton, Indy area)
if possible and would be willing to form a syndicate to keep them here. In
other words, I might be willing to form a partnership with some like-minded guys
to own the ONE of the the birds. If I do this it would mean a partnership with
each shareholder owning an equal part of the aeroplane and sharing the fixed
costs. I would insist on having at least a liability insurance policy covering
each owner. Haul coverage would be by mutual consent. If there was no haul
coverage, that would mean that if you break it, you just bought-out all of the
other partners. We would also share in the maintenance of the aircraft. Ideally
the machine would be located on a suitable grass strip in, of course, a hangar.
If we have three, four or five partners no one will have that much in it
and it would be "cheap" flying (I know--an oxymoron) and would, I think, be a
lot of fun. The above is food for thought. If anyone is seriously interested
please let me know as soon as possible.
>
> Another route to keeping one of the Piets locally would be to have it as a 'Chapter'
aeroplane. The same conditions as above would apply, there would just
be more owners.
>
> In either case, IF THERE IS A REAL INTEREST, please let me know as soon as possible
as I'm bound by my responsibility to Aunt Janelle to move these aeroplanes
in a reasonable period of time. She is not distressed (i.e. she isn't desperate
for the money) but there is no interest in letting the aeroplanes sit around
waiting for the buyer to make up their mind.
>
> Feel free to call me on my cell (317-694-5339) or e-mail me at cadetmoth2(at)yahoo.com
anytime.
>
> Thanks guys for all of your help and support.
>
> Alan Reber
>
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| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: fabricating music wire springs |
If you cook them in the oven you will anneal them and may very well make
them stop being springs.
Dave
On 2/10/2013 2:24 PM, Don Emch wrote:
>
> Hey Shad,
>
> I've made springs on a lathe with music wire, but I don't think I ever stressed
relieved them. Hmm... Maybe I should have.
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
2.6 hours? You haven't even started yet. I had a student in primary flight
training in the Navy who had 30 hours and hadn't looked out of the cockpit
but a couple of times. When I went through flight training the common
belief was that you should be ready for first solo after 8 hours. I had a
little over 10 when I soloed the first time. That front seat looked awfully
empty. Be patient. It will come. C
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 10:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
>
> As some of you know, part of my Piet build program is learning to fly. An
> opportunity arose and I started learning to fly under part 141 with a
> local community college.
>
>
> Pilot training in a Cessna 172
>
> I had two more flying lessons this week. My original feeling of being
> overwhelmed has been replaced with frustration. It takes me a few hours
> after each lesson to think about what happened and why. I'm getting upset
> at myself for not getting everything quickly. I think we all hope when we
> start something like this that we are going to be "naturals" and it will
> come to us quickly. My instructor tells me I'm doing fine but I have my
> doubts.
>
> The bad stuff:
>
> 1. Although my taxiing has improved I still over-steer and use brakes for
> steering too often.
> 2. The throttle control is still foreign to me and sometimes I push
> instead of pull and vice-versa.
> 3. I don't use enough rudder and my instructor wants me to get used to
> this as he knows I will be flying a Pietenpol some day.
> 4. My instructor covers up important gauges like the airspeed indicator on
> take off as he wants me to "feel" when the plane is ready to fly. I feel
> nothing.
> 5. My transition and entry into the traffic pattern stinks as I seem to be
> very busy watching altitude, speed, flaps, traffic and everything else my
> instructor is saying in my headset.
> 6. My landings suck. I bounced it yesterday and missed the centerline.
>
> The good stuff:
>
> 1. Instructor says I'm fine.
> 2. Flying does not scare me or am I nervous when in the plane.
> 3. He trusted me with the preflight yesterday.
> 4. If pushed I believe I could do everything but land. (He's says I could
> land if he passed out and we would walk away from it.)
> 5. I've only had three lessons, three landings, and logged 2.6 hours of
> flight instruction.
>
> John
>
> --------
> John Francis
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393959#393959
>
>
>
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| From: | George Abernathy <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
Ahhh "Modern" flight training. =0A=0AImagine what a kid would be like tryin
g to learn to ride a bicycle while talking to air traffic control, monitori
ng other bikes, checking the pavement, and the sky. And while worried about
his learning curve compared to the other kids. =0A=0AI also had some adven
tures while learning to fly. Almost too bad to type about. =0A=0AThe instru
ctors main job is to keep you from hurting yourself while you figure out ho
w to fly. =0A=0ABack in the good old days ( when airplanes were wooden and
sex was safe) it was rumored that flying was cheap and people soloed in thr
ee hours in a J-3 cub. Probably not true. If it was you can bet there was n
o other traffic and no air traffic control and no radio. =0A=0AFrom your de
scription I think that he can keep you safe. It is most important that you
relax. Ask yourself if you are comfortable with him. If you are, let him do
his job. If not try a different personality. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________
__________________=0A From: Matthew <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: "p
ietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" =0ASent: Monday
, February 11, 2013 3:34 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons C
vort(at)gmail.com>=0A=0ASounds like you are doing just fine John, and it also
sounds like you have a pretty good instructor, who did you end up with? I'm
looking to start there next semester.=0A=0A=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0A
On Feb 10, 2013, at 10:53 AM, "John Francis" wrote:=0A
om>=0A> =0A> As some of you know, part of my Piet build program is learning
to fly.- An opportunity arose and I started learning to fly under part 1
41 with a local community college.- =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Pilot training in
a Cessna 172=0A> =0A> I had two more flying lessons this week.- My origi
nal feeling of being overwhelmed has been replaced with frustration.- It
takes me a few hours after each lesson to think about what happened and why
.- I'm getting upset at myself for not getting everything quickly.- I t
hink we all hope when we start something like this that we are going to be
"naturals" and it will come to us quickly.- My instructor tells me I'm do
ing fine but I have my doubts.=0A> =0A> The bad stuff:=0A> =0A> 1. Although
my taxiing has improved I still over-steer and use brakes for steering too
often.=0A> 2. The throttle control is still foreign to me and sometimes I
push instead of pull and vice-versa.=0A> 3. I don't use enough rudder and m
y instructor wants me to get used to this as he knows I will be flying a Pi
etenpol some day.=0A> 4. My instructor covers up important gauges like the
airspeed indicator on take off as he wants me to "feel"- when the plane i
s ready to fly.- I feel nothing.=0A> 5. My transition and entry into the
traffic pattern stinks as I seem to be very busy watching altitude, speed,
flaps, traffic and everything else my instructor is saying in my headset.
=0A> 6. My landings suck.- I bounced it yesterday and missed the centerli
ne.=0A> =0A> The good stuff:=0A> =0A> 1. Instructor says I'm fine.=0A> 2. F
lying does not scare me or am I nervous when in the plane.=0A> 3. He truste
d me with the preflight yesterday.=0A> 4. If pushed I believe I could do ev
erything but land.- (He's says I could land if he passed out and we would
walk away from it.)- =0A> 5. I've only had three lessons, three landings
, and logged 2.6 hours of flight instruction.=0A> =0A> John=0A> =0A> ------
--=0A> John Francis=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A
> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393959#393959=0A> =0A>
=- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle
========
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any adv
ise would be appreciated.-- I did pretty good my first ever attempts ta
xing around Mike Cuy's Piet.- (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me d
o it.)
-
Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" John
's original post.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Some decals went on today! |
You guys are killing me with the war bird pictures! LOVE the war birds!-
This particular paint scheme is one of my favorite. Thanks for sharing.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Hey latex guys...Am I correct in not sanding the Fastbond cement before applying
the latex primer coat?
Thanks!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: fabricating music wire springs |
Shad, is your tail wheel going to have a cable or other provision to releas
es the lock while in the cockpit, or can you only disengage it at the wheel
?- (It looks like a foot operated release only.)-
-
Can't answer the spring question, haven't done that yet.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Jack, I used Ecobond cement, (not sure how that compares to yours) but I ha
ve not done any sanding.- I used exterior latex, no primer, just color co
ats right to the fabric.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Flying Lessons Continue |
John,
Sounds like you're doing fine. Just remember that it is a process, and
there will be good days when you make it look easy and days where nothing
you do will be right. Don't be in a hurry to solo. You seem to have a good
instructor and he will tell you when you're ready to solo.
Once you get beyond the 172 you'll find that some other airplanes (such as a
Pietenpol) have a lot more "feel" involved in flying them. A Cessna 172 is
a nice airplane but it doesn't register very high in the "feel" department.
As Jerry said put a little backpressure on the yoke during takeoff and it
will let you know when the nose wheel is ready to lift off the runway.
Just enjoy the process, and remember - we're all student pilots because
there's always something new to learn in flying.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 10:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
As some of you know, part of my Piet build program is learning to fly. An
opportunity arose and I started learning to fly under part 141 with a local
community college.
Pilot training in a Cessna 172
I had two more flying lessons this week. My original feeling of being
overwhelmed has been replaced with frustration. It takes me a few hours
after each lesson to think about what happened and why. I'm getting upset
at myself for not getting everything quickly. I think we all hope when we
start something like this that we are going to be "naturals" and it will
come to us quickly. My instructor tells me I'm doing fine but I have my
doubts.
The bad stuff:
1. Although my taxiing has improved I still over-steer and use brakes for
steering too often.
2. The throttle control is still foreign to me and sometimes I push instead
of pull and vice-versa.
3. I don't use enough rudder and my instructor wants me to get used to this
as he knows I will be flying a Pietenpol some day.
4. My instructor covers up important gauges like the airspeed indicator on
take off as he wants me to "feel" when the plane is ready to fly. I feel
nothing.
5. My transition and entry into the traffic pattern stinks as I seem to be
very busy watching altitude, speed, flaps, traffic and everything else my
instructor is saying in my headset.
6. My landings suck. I bounced it yesterday and missed the centerline.
The good stuff:
1. Instructor says I'm fine.
2. Flying does not scare me or am I nervous when in the plane.
3. He trusted me with the preflight yesterday.
4. If pushed I believe I could do everything but land. (He's says I could
land if he passed out and we would walk away from it.)
5. I've only had three lessons, three landings, and logged 2.6 hours of
flight instruction.
John
--------
John Francis
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393959#393959
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| Subject: | Re: Some decals went on today! |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
I thought about closing up the front hole and mounting my dummy machine guns for
the full effect (during cold months). I will never quite feel like I'm part
of the "warbird community" until I get a set of those decals on the wings...
Larry
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
I didn't do any sanding until after the 2nd coat of primer, then no more
sanding at all.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering
Hey latex guys...Am I correct in not sanding the Fastbond cement before
applying the latex primer coat?
Thanks!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Some decals went on today! |
Larry, did those guns come from Arizona Model Aircrafters?!- WAAAY cool i
n my book!- If I-had your plane with that paint scheme, both guns would
be on it. I'm just sayin...
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
John, Ditto what everyone else has said. and now for some miscelanneious advice:
Your landings suck because your instructor is not teaching you to land yet! He
is teaching your straight and level, climbs, descents, turns and many other things
that will be put togather to teach you to land. The only reason you have
done 3 landings is because the plane had to land at the end of the lesson. Your
instructor is doing it right and you are OK!
As long as you enjoy your flight training overall, you will love flying.
You will have some plateaus where you don't feel like you are progressing. Some
days you will be discouraged, But remember you are doing something most people
don't even consider possible. A bad day flying is better than a good day at
work! (unless you bend a plane.)
On the rudder. At least your instructor talks to you. My Aeronca Champ tailwheel
instructor rolled up a sectional and would hit me on the head and scream "step
on the ball" I still don't feel it in the seat of my pants the way he did.)
When I took a sailplane flight the instructor complemented my use of rudders.
Regarding being overwhelmed in the traffic pattern. Your instructor is right look
at everything. But remember you can't do 5 things at once, you only have to
do two things at a time. 1. fly the plane, 2 any one other thing (first watch
altitude, then look outside, then glance at airspeed, then look outside, remember
you only hit the flaps 2 or three times at specific places, then look outside,
you are looking for traffic while you are looking outside. Your instructor
is making sure that you don't get fixated on any one thing. IE looking outside
for traffic and letting airspeed deteriorate or fixing on the airspeed indicator
and swapping paint with anouther plane,......
When You feel like it is too much too fast. Ask your instructor if y'all can just
go to the practice area and fly around. maybe redo some of the earlier flight
lesson info. just a little confidence building time.
However, you do want your instructor to push you to the next level.
Don't try to push the controls around to make the plane do what you want. Put pressure
the way you want the plane to go. then adjust the pressure to get what
you want.
If you walk away from the landing you will get better. Later on you will learn
how to lie. "Boy that was a smooth landing, now everyone get ready for the speed
bump!"
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: fabricating music wire springs |
No it will have a cable to a lever in the cockpit.- I havent got the cabl
e clamped in yet so I am leaving the arm long untill I find were to trim it
off..
-
Shad
--- On Sun, 2/10/13, Michael Perez wrote:
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fabricating music wire springs
Date: Sunday, February 10, 2013, 5:55 PM
Shad, is your tail wheel going to have a cable or other provision to releas
es the lock while in the cockpit, or can you only disengage it at the wheel
?- (It looks like a foot operated release only.)-
-
Can't answer the spring question, haven't done that yet.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
Michael, When you switch to the Piet, don't let switching from a yoke to a stick
rattle you. also you will be switching from left hand on the yoke to right hand
on the stick.
Don't really think about it, just do it. Seriously. you don't need to overthink
it.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Sunday, February 10, 2013 16:51
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as
> well. Any advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my
> first ever attempts taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say
> otherwise...shocked he let me do it.)
>
> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high
> jack" John's original post.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
John,
Congratulations on your initial flights. I guarantee that if you were below the
norm (what the average student pilot was doing at that phase), you would be having
different conversations with your CFI.
Enjoy the journey. Take it one step at a time, and celebrate the small victories.
This is an economic issue, but fly as often as you can afford. It will make
the learning easier and the relearning (reinventing the wheel, I call it) less.
We should not take the place of your CFI, but if I can help, let me know, and I
am sure the other pilots (especially CFIs) on this forum feel the same way.
Continue to share with all of us.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Michael the 140 is a fantastic trainer. You want to stay off the brakes espe
cially if it does not have wheel extenders. Like others have commented stay l
ight on the hands and feet, feel the airplane. Your instructor will have man
y more thoughts to help you. To be honest I'm thinking about mounting my thr
ottle on the right side of the cockpit, I'm to old to learn to fly with my r
ight hand!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Feb 10, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
>
> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any ad
vise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts taxing
around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do it.)
>
> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" Joh
n's original post.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jack....tell me it ain't so! I think after you learn right hand stick and l
eft hand throttle you'll be sold on it. To me it is much more natural than
flight controls in the left hand. Of course I am right-handed, so maybe tha
t makes a difference.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:58 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Michael the 140 is a fantastic trainer. You want to stay off the brakes esp
ecially if it does not have wheel extenders. Like others have commented sta
y light on the hands and feet, feel the airplane. Your instructor will have
many more thoughts to help you. To be honest I'm thinking about mounting m
y throttle on the right side of the cockpit, I'm to old to learn to fly wit
h my right hand!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Feb 10, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Michael Perez wrote
:
Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any adv
ise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts taxing
around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do it.)
Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" John
's original post.
Michael Perez
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
Just a thought, Microsoft Flight Sim X has a Flight instruction section that follow
along with a normal flight training in a 172. If not before, then after the
lesson you could review it using that. The instructor is Ron Macado and he
is pretty funny. The principles are there.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sunday, February 10, 2013 19:05
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue
>
> John,
>
> Congratulations on your initial flights. I guarantee that if you were below the
norm (what the average student pilot was doing at that phase), you
> would be having different conversations with your CFI.
>
> Enjoy the journey. Take it one step at a time, and celebrate the
> small victories. This is an economic issue, but fly as often as
> you can afford. It will make the learning easier and the
> relearning (reinventing the wheel, I call it) less.
>
> We should not take the place of your CFI, but if I can help, let
> me know, and I am sure the other pilots (especially CFIs) on this
> forum feel the same way.
>
> Continue to share with all of us.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Some decals went on today! |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
No. I built them off of full scale Fokker plans, except I scaled them down to 75%,
then hung them above my home theatre door. They've been there for a decade.
The gun butts I made from 2x6 wood from home depot. I never did put the gun
sites on them yet. They decorate the hangar for now..ler
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| From: | Gardiner <airlion2(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
*My back up plane for my Piet is a cessna 140. If you can fly one then
you can fly the other. The biggest difference is that the 140 will fly
like a glider*. In that, if you don't slow down on your approach speed
you will float all the way down the runway. I have done it and got
scared. The Piet will drop like a rock when you pull the power and when
you want to flare to land then a little power makes it just right. That
is against my principles l so I am always practicing with no power.
Haven't found the answer yet but still practicing. Cheers , Gardiner
On 2/10/2013 7:58 PM, Jack wrote:
> Michael the 140 is a fantastic trainer. You want to stay off the
> brakes especially if it does not have wheel extenders. Like others
> have commented stay light on the hands and feet, feel the airplane.
> Your instructor will have many more thoughts to help you. To be honest
> I'm thinking about mounting my throttle on the right side of the
> cockpit, I'm to old to learn to fly with my right hand!
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Michael Perez > wrote:
>
>> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well.
>> Any advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever
>> attempts taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say
>> otherwise...shocked he let me do it.)
>> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high
>> jack" John's original post.
>>
>> Michael Perez
>> Pietenpol HINT Videos
>> Karetaker Aero
>> www.karetakeraero.com <http://www.karetakeraero.com>
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| From: | Gardiner <airlion2(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
On 2/10/2013 8:41 PM, Gardiner wrote:
> *My back up plane for my Piet is a cessna 140. If you can fly one then
> you can fly the other. The biggest difference is that the 140 will fly
> like a glider*. In that, if you don't slow down on your approach speed
> you will float all the way down the runway. I have done it and got
> scared. The Piet will drop like a rock when you pull the power and
> when you want to flare to land then a little power makes it just
> right. That is against my principles l so I am always practicing with
> no power. Haven't found the answer yet but still practicing. Cheers ,
> Gardiner
>
>
> On 2/10/2013 7:58 PM, Jack wrote:
>> Michael the 140 is a fantastic trainer. You want to stay off the
>> brakes especially if it does not have wheel extenders. Like others
>> have commented stay light on the hands and feet, feel the airplane.
>> Your instructor will have many more thoughts to help you. To be
>> honest I'm thinking about mounting my throttle on the right side of
>> the cockpit, I'm to old to learn to fly with my right hand!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> Jack Textor
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Michael Perez > > wrote:
>>
>>> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well.
>>> Any advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever
>>> attempts taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say
>>> otherwise...shocked he let me do it.)
>>> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high
>>> jack" John's original post.
>>>
>>> Michael Perez
>>> Pietenpol HINT Videos
>>> Karetaker Aero
>>> www.karetakeraero.com <http://www.karetakeraero.com>
>>>
>>> *I signed name as Gardiner but you may otherwise see me as Airlion since
Lion is my first name and gardiner is my middle and Mason is my last name. cheers
, Gardiner
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Thanks to all for the encouragement, and advice, I needed it. I think I can up
my game a little to in preparing more for the next lesson. Part 141 requires
an agenda and details of each lesson. I need to study what is going to be presented
to me next and be prepared. During the next flight I know that I will
be "Introduced" to:
Turns to Headings
Climbing and Descending Turns
Steep Turns
Emergency Approach and Landing (simulated)
Systems and Equipment Malfunctions
Wake Turbulence Avoidance
I will review:
National Airspace System
Crosswind Taxi
Radio communications
Maneuvering During Slow Flight
Power Off Stalls (imminent)
Power On Stalls (imminent)
Normal Approach and Landing
Go-Around/Rejected Landing
Collision Avoidance
Thanks to all.
--------
John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | "M. Zeke Zechini" <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
I am left-handed and it still seems natural. Yoke-controlled airplanes came e
asy...but they just ain't as fun. It is a time/experience/muscle memory thin
g?
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 10, 2013, at 8:15 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Jack....tell me it ain't so! I think after you learn right hand stick and l
eft hand throttle you'll be sold on it. To me it is much more natural than f
light controls in the left hand. Of course I am right-handed, so maybe that m
akes a difference.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:58 pm
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
>
> Michael the 140 is a fantastic trainer. You want to stay off the brakes es
pecially if it does not have wheel extenders. Like others have commented sta
y light on the hands and feet, feel the airplane. Your instructor will have m
any more thoughts to help you. To be honest I'm thinking about mounting my t
hrottle on the right side of the cockpit, I'm to old to learn to fly with my
right hand!
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Michael Perez wrot
e:
>
>>
>> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any a
dvise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts taxin
g around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do it.)
>>
>> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" Jo
hn's original post.
>>
>> Michael Perez
>> Pietenpol HINT Videos
>> Karetaker Aero
>> www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: OT... my farher's passing..... |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jake;
My father lived into his 80s, but the last 10 or so years were under the dark cloud
of Alzheimer's, so it was all over for Dad for a long time before he actually
left this world.
I read your Dad's obituary and it sounds like our fathers led somewhat similar
lives. My Dad loved hunting and fishing, and it was his stories and photos from
Alaska that always had me hankering to go up there sometime. He hunted caribou,
mountain goats, Dall sheep, geese, chukars... and fished for everything
that swam up there. I came quite close one year... had all the maps, charts,
and information on staying in a Forest Service cabin in the wild, up there. I
planned on flying into Alaska in the Super Cub that I was renting here in Oregon
at the time. It never happened, but dreaming and planning were enough, I
guess.
It was only when I was in my late 20s that I found out that my Dad had been a student
pilot, but it was much earlier than that when I became aware that his best
friend and business partner had been killed when he flew his light plane into
a thunderstorm one summer evening. It didn't make an impact on me then, but
I realize now that it's the reason why Dad never pursued his private pilot's
license.
That didn't keep him from introducing me to aviation, though. I got my very first
airplane ride in the right seat of a Luscombe, owned and piloted by Wally
Carson... my dad's friend. Dad wanted me to experience what he had discovered,
about seeing things from the air, about flying. I will never forget that flight,
as I watched the ground melt away from the tires of the Luscombe and then
I beheld the vast area of the south Texas brush country... the winding Rio Grande
river... and my hometown of Laredo, Texas... all from a platform that I
never knew existed. The feeling and the memory are as real today as they were
some 50+ years ago.
We had 10 years or so to let go of Dad, and it was both easier and harder that
way. There are no words to make it easier, but there sure are memories that help.
Hang onto those.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
When I first was a Student Naval Aviator many years ago, I was worried that I would
not be able to fly with my right hand (actually I was worried I wouldn't
be able to fly - period. But I digress). However, it really came naturally and
I found it to be an advantage when it came to flying instruments. I could write
down the clearance and not have to change hands. The right handed guys had
to fly with their left hand so they could write on their kneeboard. A slight advantage
to us lefties. Maybe the guys that first started designing military cockpits
were lefties and wanted to get back at the righties![Wink]
Flying right handed will take you minutes to get used to-I promise.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a
Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that
some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in
the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as
well. Any advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever
attempts taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked
he let me do it.)
Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high
jack" John's original post.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | "proplock" <proplock(at)federatedwildblue.com> |
Hang in there, a lot to comprehend at first but it will get easier. I had a slight
problem with rudders, so being an ole farm boy practiced while row crop cultivating,
steer to right, apply left brake, resulted in straight ahead, of course
I soon burned the brakes out, but ,hey, I learned. [Wink] Throttle on left
hand, stick on right: was a natural as i spent years flying RC, and that helped
tremendously. Used to practice rudder on RC by standing on one foot then
the other. Summation: what ever works!
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A remarkable lad , capable of many things
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
Ditto on the early landing bit. When I was instructing primary, the student
did takeoffs (with a lot of help) right from the start. But he/she didn't
even attempt landing until the airwork was pretty well done correctly. From
that point on each lesson had a little airwork review and then the rest of
the period would be landing after landing after landing (mostly touch and
go) until ready for solo. I taught one thing at a time -- don't confuse the
student with too much at first. C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
>
>
> John, Ditto what everyone else has said. and now for some miscelanneious
> advice:
>
> Your landings suck because your instructor is not teaching you to land
> yet! He is teaching your straight and level, climbs, descents, turns and
> many other things that will be put togather to teach you to land. The only
> reason you have done 3 landings is because the plane had to land at the
> end of the lesson. Your instructor is doing it right and you are OK!
>
> As long as you enjoy your flight training overall, you will love flying.
>
> You will have some plateaus where you don't feel like you are progressing.
> Some days you will be discouraged, But remember you are doing something
> most people don't even consider possible. A bad day flying is better than
> a good day at work! (unless you bend a plane.)
>
> On the rudder. At least your instructor talks to you. My Aeronca Champ
> tailwheel instructor rolled up a sectional and would hit me on the head
> and scream "step on the ball" I still don't feel it in the seat of my
> pants the way he did.) When I took a sailplane flight the instructor
> complemented my use of rudders.
>
> Regarding being overwhelmed in the traffic pattern. Your instructor is
> right look at everything. But remember you can't do 5 things at once, you
> only have to do two things at a time. 1. fly the plane, 2 any one other
> thing (first watch altitude, then look outside, then glance at airspeed,
> then look outside, remember you only hit the flaps 2 or three times at
> specific places, then look outside, you are looking for traffic while you
> are looking outside. Your instructor is making sure that you don't get
> fixated on any one thing. IE looking outside for traffic and letting
> airspeed deteriorate or fixing on the airspeed indicator and swapping
> paint with anouther plane,......
>
> When You feel like it is too much too fast. Ask your instructor if y'all
> can just go to the practice area and fly around. maybe redo some of the
> earlier flight lesson info. just a little confidence building time.
>
> However, you do want your instructor to push you to the next level.
>
> Don't try to push the controls around to make the plane do what you want.
> Put pressure the way you want the plane to go. then adjust the pressure to
> get what you want.
>
> If you walk away from the landing you will get better. Later on you will
> learn how to lie. "Boy that was a smooth landing, now everyone get ready
> for the speed bump!"
>
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on 140.
Gene
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" wrot
e:
> Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a C
essna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that some
of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in the 120
to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Perez
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
>
> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any ad
vise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts taxing
around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do it.)
>
> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" Joh
n's original post.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
>
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onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
OK. you're right, Gene. I remember now that the only difference was
the flaps. I think anyone who plans on building/flying a Piet should,
if at all possible, train in a stick-controlled airplane. That goes for
you, too, Michael. Find someone with a Cub, T-craft, or some such
aircraft and learn RIGHT right from the start. If you have to learn
with a yoke, ask the instructor to let you learn from the right seat to
get used to flying the airplane with your right hand and doing all the
other stuff with your left. Think that would work? C
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on
140.
Gene
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell"
wrote:
Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They
owned a Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you
saying that some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went
from sticks in the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120?
:) Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140
as well. Any advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first
ever attempts taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say
otherwise...shocked he let me do it.)
Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to
"high jack" John's original post.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
What's funny is that 90% of us learned to fly with our left hand in a yoked
airplane yet 90% of us are probably
right handed so we started right off the bat flying with the hand we're not
dominant in yet did well. I flew left
handed for 10 years and when we bought a Champ going to the right hand was
literally a no brainer and no matter
what hand you choose to fly with a stick in an airplane feels 100% more nat
ural than a yoke. (least to me anyway).
The first few hours of flying lessons can be overwhelming with all that is
going on that we're not used to. Some great
advice given John. Give yourself time. And as others have said, 40 hour
s for a private is the FAA minimum. Few
are ready for the private checkride at 40 hours or they don't have all the
night or cross country time required yet.
Mark Chouinard made a great point in that he too his checkride with many ho
urs compared to his buddy but his buddy
wishes he would have had more time, not just the minimum. I soloed pretty
quickly at 5 hours but it took me 80 before
my instructor (he wasn't in the Navy) signed me off for my checkride.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Some decals went on today! |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
TriScout wrote:
> Chris, Would you have the contact intel on that local sign shop handy? My GN-1
"warbird" is painted in P6 Hawk colors...only thing missing are those exact
decals. Thx in advance...
>
> Larry N2308C
Bc signs, manitowoc, wi
(920) 686-1126
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NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
John,
Small world, Shawn's grandfather Dan Riffee lives here at Hales Landing.
Dan is a great home builder he is building a Bearhawk and a couple wood
single place VW powered planes of his own design. I use him for technical
advise all the time.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: John Francis <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
> To:
> Date: 2/10/2013 11:50:44 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flying Lessons Continue
>
>
> Shawn Riffee is my instructor.
>
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>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: fabricating music wire springs |
I would be interested in seeing the final result along with the lever insid
e the cockpit.- The work so far looks very nice.
Michael Perez
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
Thanks Steve.- I look forward to some of the smaller challenges that may
arise form yoke-to-stick changes and the like.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
Copy that jack! I had planned on putting my throttle on the right side and
figured I could just learn to fly that way. (Most AC that I have flown have
been stick and left side throttle.)- This made sense because of the thro
ttle cable location on the A-65.
But, after setting up my instruments and seeing how their cables were going
to be ran and the fact that I have my trim system on the right side, I wen
t the traditional route and now have the throttle on the left side.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com=0A
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
John, I have the Practical Test Standards (PTS) for Sport Pilot flight trai
ning. This document lays out all of the required maneuvers, skills, methods
etc. you will need to pass the practical test. It is a very well made docu
ment with a ton of good intel. on what you and your instructor will need to
cover.- I am sure you can find the same for the Private Pilot PTS on lin
e.- (I may be looking for it as well...I am leaning towards doing a priva
te certificate now...)
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Flying Lessons Continue |
And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140), but many
120's have added those under an STC
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on 140.
Gene
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell"
wrote:
Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a
Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that
some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in the
120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael <mailto:speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> Perez
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any
advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts
taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do
it.)
Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack"
John's original post.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: lefty righty |
Mike, 40 hours for a private was set in the 1950s. Since then a great deal of information
has been added as well as technology. On top of that add the complex
airspace we now have. The result is what was normally 40 to 45 hours is now
averaging 60+.
40-45 is much more doable in a remote airport with no tower or ATC conerns.
The Sport Pilot ticket is actually much closer to what a PPL was in the 1950s.
IMHO (BIKIAR)
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:11
Subject: Pietenpol-List: lefty righty
> What's funny is that 90% of us learned to fly with our left hand
> in a yoked airplane yet 90% of us are probably
> right handed so we started right off the bat flying with the hand
> we're not dominant in yet did well. I flew left
> handed for 10 years and when we bought a Champ going to the right
> hand was literally a no brainer and no matter
> what hand you choose to fly with a stick in an airplane feels 100%
> more natural than a yoke. (least to me anyway).
>
> The first few hours of flying lessons can be overwhelming with all
> that is going on that we're not used to. Some great
> advice given John. Give yourself time. And as others have
> said, 40 hours for a private is the FAA minimum. Few
> are ready for the private checkride at 40 hours or they don't have
> all the night or cross country time required yet.
> Mark Chouinard made a great point in that he too his checkride
> with many hours compared to his buddy but his buddy
> wishes he would have had more time, not just the minimum. I
> soloed pretty quickly at 5 hours but it took me 80 before
> my instructor (he wasn't in the Navy) signed me off for my checkride.
>
> Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Thanks for the info Michael. One of the books required for the course is the "Pilot
Maneuvers Guide" from Sporty's which shows all the required maneuvers.
I need to spend more time with my nose in this book.
--------
John Francis
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394061#394061
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| Subject: | Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
Jack:
Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes?
I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing.
Zeke
On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote:
> ** ** **
>
> And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140), but
> many 120=92s have added those under an STC****
>
> ** **
>
> Jack Phillips****
>
> NX899JP****
>
> ****Smith Mountain Lake**, **Virginia********
>
> ** **
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gene Rambo
> *Sent:* Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue****
>
> ** **
>
> Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on
> 140. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Gene
>
> Sent from my iPad****
>
>
> On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell"
> wrote:****
>
> Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a
> Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that
> some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in
> the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck****
>
> ****
>
> ----- Original Message ----- ****
>
> *From:* Michael Perez ****
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com ****
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM****
>
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue****
>
> ** **
>
> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any
> advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts
> taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me
> do it.) ****
>
> ****
>
> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack"
> John's original post.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com****
>
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>
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tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List*
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
No. And not true rag v metal. Both had fabric wings. C-140A had, basically, 1
50 wings with single strut.
Gene
On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Marcus Zechini wrot
e:
> Jack:
> Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes?
> I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing.
> Zeke
>
> On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote:
>> And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140), but ma
ny 120=99s have added those under an STC
>>
>>
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>>
>> NX899JP
>>
>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l
ist-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
>>
>>
>>
>> Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on 14
0.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" w
rote:
>>
>>> Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a
Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that so
me of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in the 1
20 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Michael Perez
>>>
>>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any a
dvise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts taxin
g around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do it.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" J
ohn's original post.
>>>
>>> Michael Perez
>>> Pietenpol HINT Videos
>>> Karetaker Aero
>>> www.karetakeraero.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.ma
tronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/
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>>>
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>>
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
My 1959 Cessna 150 was actually a Cessna 140 fueslage with updated wings and a
metal square tail.
Cessna had about 800 140 fuselages left over and told the designer, we want a new
sheet two seat nosegear trainer, make it brand new. OH yeah you need to use
up those leftover 140 fuselages.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Date: Monday, February 11, 2013 11:16
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
> No. And not true rag v metal. Both had fabric wings. C-140A had,
> basically, 150 wings with single strut.
>
> Gene
>
> On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Marcus Zechini < wrote:
>
> > Jack:
> > Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes?
> > I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing.
> > Zeke
> >
> > On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips" < wrote:
> >> And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140), but many
120s have added those under an STC
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jack Phillips
> >>
> >> NX899JP
> >>
> >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
> >> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM
> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on 140.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gene
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" < wrote:
> >>
> >>> Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a
Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that some
of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in the 120 to
yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>> From: Michael Perez
> >>>
> >>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >>>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM
> >>>
> >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any advise
would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts taxing
around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do it.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack" John's
original post.
> >>>
> >>> Michael Perez
> >>> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> >>> Karetaker Aero
> >>> www.karetakeraero.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> href="blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> >>> href="blockedhttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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> >>>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks, Gene. I got tw endorrsement flying out of IAD in a C-170B
I did it to ferry a friend's C-170A around...I think I have those sorted
out: C-170 (1949) rag wing. 1950-51 C-170A metal wing small flaps. 1952
on larger flaps
On Feb 11, 2013 12:12 PM, "Gene Rambo" wrote:
> No. And not true rag v metal. Both had fabric wings. C-140A had,
> basically, 150 wings with single strut.
>
> Gene
>
> On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Marcus Zechini
> wrote:
>
> Jack:
> Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes?
> I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing.
> Zeke
> On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote:
>
>> ** ** **
>>
>> And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140), but
>> many 120=92s have added those under an STC****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Jack Phillips****
>>
>> NX899JP****
>>
>> ****Smith Mountain Lake**, **Virginia********
>>
>> ** **
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gene Rambo
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM
>> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on
>> 140. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> Sent from my iPad****
>>
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell"
>> wrote:****
>>
>> Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned
>> a Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying th
at
>> some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in
>> the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- ****
>>
>> *From:* Michael Perez ****
>>
>> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com ****
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM****
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any
>> advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts
>> taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let m
e
>> do it.) ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack"
>> John's original post.
>>
>> Michael Perez
>> Pietenpol HINT Videos
>> Karetaker Aero
>> www.karetakeraero.com****
>>
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| From: | Fred Kim <frkim(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Wheel Spoke Size |
HI Everyone=2CWe are in the process on making the wheel hubs for the large
wheel version.Can you tell me what size spokes are most often used (10 awg?
) and what hole size size to drill the hubs for that spoke?we are using 21"
Harley Davidson wheels.
ThanksFred
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wheel Spoke Size |
Fred, I can get you the sizes I used, when I get home and take a look at them.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Spoke Size |
| From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
I have 21" Sportster wheels with 1" bearings.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 11, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Fred Kim wrote:
> HI Everyone,
> We are in the process on making the wheel hubs for the large wheel version
.
> Can you tell me what size spokes are most often used (10 awg?) and what ho
le size size to drill the hubs for that spoke?
> we are using 21" Harley Davidson wheels.
>
> Thanks
> Fred
>
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wheel Spoke Size |
Gary did you make the hubs for your wheels?
Jim
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Flying Lessons Continue |
Never seen a 120 with anything but a yoke. 140's had rag wings, with metal
flaps and ailerons. 140A's had all metal wings of the now familiar double
tapered design of most later Cessnas
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus
Zechini
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Jack:
Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes?
I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing.
Zeke
On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote:
And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140), but many
120's have added those under an STC
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps on 140.
Gene
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell"
wrote:
Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They owned a
Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are you saying that
some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna went from sticks in the
120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a 120? :) Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez <mailto:speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well. Any
advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever attempts
taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked he let me do
it.)
Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high jack"
John's original post.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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| From: | "Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca> |
| Subject: | Flying Lessons Continue |
Like the all new Bombardier Global Express. The first thing we did was
spend months cadding the Challenger drawings . . .
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
Sent: February 11, 2013 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
-->
My 1959 Cessna 150 was actually a Cessna 140 fueslage with updated wings
and a metal square tail.
Cessna had about 800 140 fuselages left over and told the designer, we
want a new sheet two seat nosegear trainer, make it brand new. OH yeah you
need to use up those leftover 140 fuselages.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Date: Monday, February 11, 2013 11:16
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
> No. And not true rag v metal. Both had fabric wings. C-140A had,
> basically, 150 wings with single strut.
>
> Gene
>
> On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Marcus Zechini < wrote:
>
> > Jack:
> > Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes?
> > I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing.
> > Zeke
> >
> > On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips" < wrote:
> >> And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the 140),
> >> but many 120's have added those under an STC
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jack Phillips
> >>
> >> NX899JP
> >>
> >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Gene Rambo
> >> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM
> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was flaps
on 140.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gene
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell" < wrote:
> >>
> >>> Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students. They
> >>> owned a Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are
> >>> you saying that some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that
> >>> Cessna went from sticks in the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you
> >>> don't have a 120? :) Chuck
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>> From: Michael Perez
> >>>
> >>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >>>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM
> >>>
> >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a 140 as well.
Any advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my first ever
attempts taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say otherwise...shocked
he let me do it.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't want to "high
jack" John's original post.
> >>>
> >>> Michael Perez
> >>> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> >>> Karetaker Aero
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| Subject: | Re: Some decals went on today! |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
mucho thanks...will give 'em a call....ler (awaiting winds)
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wheel Spoke Size |
Fred, my SS spokes are .150" +/- and spoke hole size is 3/16". (.188")- Y
ou may already know this, but you'll need to chamfer one side of the holes
for the spoke heads and the other side to allow some room for the spoke ben
d.- Minimal hub width, (from hub flange to hub flange) is 6".
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Spoke Size |
| From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
I did make hubs. They are also stock, except that they were machined to rece
ive the new bearings.
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 11, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Jim Boyer wrote:
> Gary did you make the hubs for your wheels?
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Hey guys....
I haven't flown yet.. but lots of ground runs.
I was told that i probably needed to add a "steam" pipe the the front of the head
on my A engine and i agree..
So i drilled and tapped a 1/4 pipe thread on top as far forward as i could.
I was going to put 1/4 by -6 AN 45 in the head... so that would be a 3/8 line up
to the top hose..
Does that sound like a big enough line ?
thanks a million
jeff faith
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
It is just a steam relief line to prevent a bubble from forming up there, so size
doesn't matter.
Gene
On Feb 11, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "bender" wrote:
>
> Hey guys....
> I haven't flown yet.. but lots of ground runs.
> I was told that i probably needed to add a "steam" pipe the the front of the
head on my A engine and i agree..
> So i drilled and tapped a 1/4 pipe thread on top as far forward as i could.
> I was going to put 1/4 by -6 AN 45 in the head... so that would be a 3/8 line
up to the top hose..
> Does that sound like a big enough line ?
>
> thanks a million
>
> jeff faith
>
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| From: | Fred Kim <frkim(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Wheel Spoke Size |
Thank you Mike=2C I have been looking at some of the posts on the wheel hub
s. I didn't remember about the spoke size.I appreciate the info.Fred and Fr
ed Jr.
Date: Mon=2C 11 Feb 2013 12:11:14 -0800
From: speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wheel Spoke Size
Fred=2C my SS spokes are .150" +/- and spoke hole size is 3/16". (.188") Y
ou may already know this=2C but you'll need to chamfer one side of the hole
s for the spoke heads and the other side to allow some room for the spoke b
end. Minimal hub width=2C (from hub flange to hub flange) is 6".
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying Lessons Continue |
Looking back on my own recent flight training experience, learning to
fly isn't about training your left arm to merely work the throttle back
and forth and your right arm to control the plane. or vice versa. More
about training you reflexes and senses. I got my PPL license in 24 days
and started in a J3 Cub. Soloed that and moved up to the C-150. Soloed
that a mere 3 days later, totally reversing hand controls. Didn't even
think about to be honest. A big factor is that when you learn in a plane
like a cub you're totally outside the plane. No artifical horizon, turn
coordinator, VSI etc. Everything becomes second nature and moving onto
other planes is a breeze.
Charles B
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcus Zechini
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Thanks, Gene. I got tw endorrsement flying out of IAD in a C-170B
I did it to ferry a friend's C-170A around...I think I have those
sorted out: C-170 (1949) rag wing. 1950-51 C-170A metal wing small
flaps. 1952 on larger flaps
On Feb 11, 2013 12:12 PM, "Gene Rambo" wrote:
No. And not true rag v metal. Both had fabric wings. C-140A had,
basically, 150 wings with single strut.
Gene
On Feb 11, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Marcus Zechini
wrote:
Jack:
Do C-120s have sticks, not yokes?
I thought only diff was no flaps & rag vice metal wing.
Zeke
On Feb 11, 2013 11:43 AM, "Jack Phillips"
wrote:
And the little D-shaped windows in the back (standard on the
140), but many 120=92s have added those under an STC
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Both 120 and 140 had yokes. No sticks. Biggest difference was
flaps on 140.
Gene
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "C N Campbell"
wrote:
Guys, I used to have a man & wife team as flight students.
They owned a Cessna 140 and it had two yokes rather than sticks. Are
you saying that some of the 140s have sticks? I thought that Cessna
went from sticks in the 120 to yokes in the 140. Sure you don't have a
120? :) Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying Lessons Continue
Jack T, Just some FYI...I plan to take my lessons in a
140 as well. Any advise would be appreciated. I did pretty good my
first ever attempts taxing around Mike Cuy's Piet. (He may say
otherwise...shocked he let me do it.)
Perhaps in another thread or direct to me. I don't
want to "high jack" John's original post.
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| Subject: | Re: Some decals went on today! |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Looks great, Chris.
Was it you I e-mailed about drain holes for the wings? If it was, and you didn't
get it, and you haven't put them in then, you should consider installing them.
I found out that aircraft that are "always hangared" can still get water
in the low spots. A lot of water.
If it wasn't you, please disregard:).
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wheel Spoke Size |
Fred,
Check this out:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/wire_wheels.htm
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Kim
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:04 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel Spoke Size
HI Everyone,
We are in the process on making the wheel hubs for the large wheel
version.
Can you tell me what size spokes are most often used (10 awg?) and
what hole size size to drill the hubs for that spoke?
we are using 21" Harley Davidson wheels.
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: OT... my farher's passing..... |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you Oscar.... It is sure nice to have fathers who supported our passions....
I'm glad you had such good experiences even when your father had his (apparently)
reluctant concerns and kept them to himself....
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Looks like a project |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pietenpol-Sport-Barn-Find-with-Contintal-A65-
8F-All-with-Books-/170988968609?item=170988968609&ViewItem=&ssPageName=
ADME:B:SS:US:1123&forcev4exp=true
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| Subject: | Re: Looks like a project |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
In my opinion, what ever the engine is worth is the price I would pay and no more!
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Looks like a project |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
With the rusted hub the crank is up for inspection
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Feb 12, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "John Francis" wrote:
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Anybody near Duluth, GA? |
Hey all,
I'm doing a presentation in Duluth, GA next Tues and wondered if anybody is
flying or building around there or Atlanta. I probably get in Monday early
afternoon so would have some time to kill later Monday and first part of
Tuesday as I don't give my presentation until 3:00.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody near Duluth, GA? |
| From: | airlion2(at)gmail.com |
Douwe, would you like to spend the nite with Susan and I Monday and have din
ner, we live in buck head which is north Atlanta near piedmont hospital. Che
ers , gardiner mason. Our address is 840 woodley dr. My home phone is 404 3
67 9453., and my. Cell is 706 594 3811.
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 12, 2013, at 7:00 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" w
rote:
> Hey all,
>
> I=99m doing a presentation in Duluth, GA next Tues and wondered if a
nybody is flying or building around there or Atlanta. I probably get in Mon
day early afternoon so would have some time to kill later Monday and first p
art of Tuesday as I don=99t give my presentation until 3:00.
>
> Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody near Duluth, GA? |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Douwe,
I live 40 minutes away from Duluth, but I will be flying a trip Saturday through
late Monday night. I wish I could get with both you and Gardiner. I may be availalble
Tuesday if you are still around.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Hello Jack, late, but like Michael and Gary I paint without primer with
exterior latex, just white latex over the fabric...
Mario Giacummo
. -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- /
...- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - .
2013/2/10 Jack
>
> Hey latex guys...Am I correct in not sanding the Fastbond cement before
> applying the latex primer coat?
> Thanks!
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Anybody near Duluth, GA? |
And of course, you have the Big Piet Builders about 40 miles to the West in
Carrollton. Monday is our usual work night, so we will all be working on a
project together.
Barry
770-301-8087 cell
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 7:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anybody near Duluth, GA?
Hey all,
I'm doing a presentation in Duluth, GA next Tues and wondered if anybody is
flying or building around there or Atlanta. I probably get in Monday early
afternoon so would have some time to kill later Monday and first part of
Tuesday as I don't give my presentation until 3:00.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody near Duluth, GA? |
| From: | airlion2(at)gmail.com |
Barry, what time are you starting Monday and what is he project? Gardiner
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 13, 2013, at 11:34 AM, "Barry Davis" wrote:
> And of course, you have the Big Piet Builders about 40 miles to the West i
n Carrollton. Monday is our usual work night, so we will all be working on a
project together.
> Barry
> 770-301-8087 cell
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 7:01 PM
> To: pietenpolgroup
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anybody near Duluth, GA?
>
> Hey all,
>
> I=99m doing a presentation in Duluth, GA next Tues and wondered if a
nybody is flying or building around there or Atlanta. I probably get in Mon
day early afternoon so would have some time to kill later Monday and first p
art of Tuesday as I don=99t give my presentation until 3:00.
>
> Douwe
>
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Anybody near Duluth, GA? |
If you and Douwe come out, we will do a Big Piet Tour at 6
Barry
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
airlion2(at)gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anybody near Duluth, GA?
Barry, what time are you starting Monday and what is he project?
Gardiner
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 13, 2013, at 11:34 AM, "Barry Davis" wrote:
And of course, you have the Big Piet Builders about 40 miles to the West
in Carrollton. Monday is our usual work night, so we will all be
working on a project together.
Barry
770-301-8087 cell
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 7:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anybody near Duluth, GA?
Hey all,
I=99m doing a presentation in Duluth, GA next Tues and wondered if
anybody is flying or building around there or Atlanta. I probably get
in Monday early afternoon so would have some time to kill later Monday
and first part of Tuesday as I don=99t give my presentation until
3:00.
Douwe
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| From: | Gardiner <airlion2(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anybody near Duluth, GA? |
On 2/13/2013 1:37 PM, Barry Davis wrote:
>
> If you and Douwe come out, we will do a Big Piet Tour at 6
>
> Barry
>
> *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *airlion2(at)gmail.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:35 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Anybody near Duluth, GA?
>
> Barry, what time are you starting Monday and what is he project? Gardiner
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2013, at 11:34 AM, "Barry Davis" > wrote:
>
> And of course, you have the Big Piet Builders about 40 miles to
> the West in Carrollton. Monday is our usual work night, so we
> will all be working on a project together.
>
> Barry
>
> 770-301-8087 cell
>
> *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Douwe Blumberg
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 12, 2013 7:01 PM
> *To:* pietenpolgroup
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Anybody near Duluth, GA?
>
> Hey all,
>
> Im doing a presentation in Duluth, GA next Tues and wondered if
> anybody is flying or building around there or Atlanta. I probably
> get in Monday early afternoon so would have some time to kill
> later Monday and first part of Tuesday as I dont give my
> presentation until 3:00.
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT... my farher's passing..... |
| From: | "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com> |
Jake I am real sorry to hear about your father passing. Hang in there and know
we care.
--------
Building steel fuselage aircamper.
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| From: | Fred Kim <frkim(at)msn.com> |
Hi Piet list guys=2CCan anyone recommend a TIG welder for shop / airplane b
uilding use.I see some very in-expensive units out there but am leery about
them.There appears to be many manufacturers in addition to the name brand
=2C Hobart=2C Lincoln=2C Miller=2C etc.I thought if someone has experience
with some of these it would help in deciding.
Thanks for your input=2CFred
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| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Fred I purchased a Miller Diversion 165 on eBay with an Argon tank for unde
r $1700. It's very simple and high quality, good for steel and aluminum. A v
ery nice tig setup...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Feb 13, 2013, at 7:57 PM, Fred Kim wrote:
>
> Hi Piet list guys,
> Can anyone recommend a TIG welder for shop / airplane building use.
> I see some very in-expensive units out there but am leery about them.
> There appears to be many manufacturers in addition to the name brand, Hoba
rt, Lincoln, Miller, etc.
> I thought if someone has experience with some of these it would help in de
ciding.
>
> Thanks for your input,
> Fred
>
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| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
The smaller, more transportable and higher tech... the more expensive...
Therefore, what I bought was, the venerable Miller Synchrowave 300. It's a BEAST
of a reliable OLD unit that I see on ebay regularly for $1000. While a 300
amp machine, commonly listed as 3 phase, it's NOT, it's built and designed for
everything from 220v single phase, to 575v three phase, doesn't matter. I've
got mine on a simple 40amp 220v breaker and weld 1/8 stainless at 150 amps with
no problem. Just haven't tried larger stuff yet.
Insofar as reliability and it being old, if the transformer is good, it's affordably
fixable. There are two pc boards and I just had both fixed for $200 total.
So really, that's sort of worst case. The synchrowave 250 and 350 are newer
square wave machines that should be about the same, so if you can get one
of those for as cheap, I'd go that way.
The drawback... it's BIG. Like 800lbs and five feet tall on a cooler. However,
it rolls around as easily my MUCH smaller MIG welder.
Saw two on ebay yesterday for a grand, so they're available. You'll also see a
bunch for $3500 or so, new it's probably in the six grand range. It's a NICE
welder.
I don't know about Lincoln, but Miller is REALLY nice to deal with. Online and
free are ALL the manuals for these machines. Parts from them are super expensive,
but they're so common in industry that there's LOTS of aftermarket support.
They also sponsor a nice forum from which you can gets lots of expert advice
in the use, care and repair of these neat old industrial machines.
Not really on topic, but my MIG welder is a Miller CP-200 with a wire feeder.
It's a 3 phase machine easily converted for about 20 bucks. You see them on ebay
in the three to five hundred range with wire feeders. It's ALSO a really
nice super reliable machine that loafs along spraying .035 wire on a 20amp circuit
I have set up for it. If anyone needs a nice wire feed that's adjustable
enough to use on everything from auto sheet metal to 1/2" thick tractor parts,
consider one of these.
Google Haas-Kemp Miller CP-200 Welder Conversion for more info. It's been discussed
on a dozen forums. It first came to life on the Practical Machinist website
and you can easily find Dave Kemp's email and chat with him directly about
it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394239#394239
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| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Hello,
I want to know if it is necesary to close the interior border of a three piece
wing, I am refering to the side near the center section.
Regards.
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394245#394245
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
HI Mario,
I closed mine in, but am not sure if it was necessary or not.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 5:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing border
Hello,
I want to know if it is necesary to close the interior border of a three
piece wing, I am refering to the side near the center section.
Regards.
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394245#394245
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
It is required.
Gene
On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:05 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote:
>
> HI Mario,
>
> I closed mine in, but am not sure if it was necessary or not.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 5:29 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing border
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I want to know if it is necesary to close the interior border of a three
> piece wing, I am refering to the side near the center section.
>
> Regards.
>
> --------
> Mario Giacummo
> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394245#394245
>
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
The end of the wing panels on NX18235 are not closed. This is helpful for
insetion purposes.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 4:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing border
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I want to know if it is necesary to close the interior border of a three
> piece wing, I am refering to the side near the center section.
>
> Regards.
>
> --------
> Mario Giacummo
> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394245#394245
>
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| From: | Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Gene, why is required? just to know.
Mario Giacummo
. -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- /
...- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - .
2013/2/14 Gene Rambo
>
> It is required.
>
> Gene
>
> On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:05 AM, "Jack Phillips"
> wrote:
>
> pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
> >
> > HI Mario,
> >
> > I closed mine in, but am not sure if it was necessary or not.
> >
> > Jack Phillips
> > NX899JP
> > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo
> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 5:29 AM
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing border
> >
> mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I want to know if it is necesary to close the interior border of a three
> > piece wing, I am refering to the side near the center section.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > --------
> > Mario Giacummo
> > http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394245#394245
> >
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Barry, that offer sounds pretty fun!
IF I make my flight (I fly standby) and get there in the afternoon as
planned, this would likely work, but will get with Gardiner and see what
his plans are since I'm staying with him.
Douwe
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Look at 43:13 and any covering manual I have ever seen. They all show ways t
o cover ends and say it is required.
Gene
On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Mario Giacummo wrote
:
> Gene, why is required? just to know.
>
>
> Mario Giacummo
> . -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- / ..
.- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - .
>
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>> >
>> > HI Mario,
>> >
>> > I closed mine in, but am not sure if it was necessary or not.
>> >
>> > Jack Phillips
>> > NX899JP
>> > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacumm
o
>> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 5:29 AM
>> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing border
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>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I want to know if it is necesary to close the interior border of a thre
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>> > piece wing, I am refering to the side near the center section.
>> >
>> > Regards.
>> >
>> > --------
>> > Mario Giacummo
>> > http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
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>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394245#394245
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Looking quickly (emphasis on "quickly") through Section 2 (fabric covering) of
AC 43.13-1B, I didn't see anything that said that wing butts must be covered,
but I did find a reference to the manner in which overlapped and doped seams
should be dealt with for wing butts. So, they do tell you what you should do
IF you cover the wing butts with an overlapped and doped seam. I have attached
a copy of the pertinent section.
I think the main concern would be ensuring that the fabric is securely attached
to the airframe, and that there is no chance that the fabric could come loose
over time, and likely the easiest way to do that would be to cover the wing butts.
Although, if built to the published plans for the 3-piece wing, the wing
butt will have a 2 inch wide plywood strip, which would provide a good amount
of surface area for fabric adhesion.
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394256#394256
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Looking quickly (emphasis on "quickly") through Section 2 (fabric covering) of
AC 43.13-1B, I didn't see anything that said that wing butts must be covered,
but I did find a reference to the manner in which overlapped and doped seams
should be dealt with for wing butts. So, they do tell you what you should do
IF you cover the wing butts with an overlapped and doped seam. I have attached
a copy of the pertinent section.
I think the main concern would be ensuring that the fabric is securely attached
to the airframe, and that there is no chance that the fabric could come loose
over time, and likely the easiest way to do that would be to cover the wing butts.
Although, if built to the published plans for the 3-piece wing, the wing
butt will have a 2 inch wide plywood strip, which would provide a good amount
of surface area for fabric adhesion.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394258#394258
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/4313_fabric_120.jpg
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| From: | "Pilot78" <wings.wheels29(at)yahoo.com> |
Group,
I have a nice Oxy/Act torch set up with Victor torches and attachments, but I find
my large torch handle is a little awkward to practice my welding with. Several
years ago at Air-Venture my brother and I attend a couple of the welding
classes and they had mini torches for Oxy/Act welding. I don't know if they
were Victor brand or Uniweld. Can anyone recommend a good mini torch? Name brand
and model number? Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394266#394266
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| Subject: | Re: Oxy/Act torch |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
https://www.tinmantech.com/html/all_meco_related.php
Meco N-Midget Torch
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394267#394267
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oxy/Act torch |
Brian,
I think Smith makes a pretty good one but I'm not sure if it's a mini-torch. Remember
you'll be welding some pretty good-sized clusters on the gear and engine
mount and you might not want too small a torch (IMHO).
John F.
Prairie Aire 4TA0
>
>
>Group,
>I have a nice Oxy/Act torch set up with Victor torches and attachments, but I
find my large torch handle is a little awkward to practice my welding with. Several
years ago at Air-Venture my brother and I attend a couple of the welding
classes and they had mini torches for Oxy/Act welding. I don't know if they
were Victor brand or Uniweld. Can anyone recommend a good mini torch? Name brand
and model number? Thanks.
>
>Brian
>SLC-UT
>
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oxy/Act torch |
I will vouch for the Meco N-Midget as a great torch for working on Pietenpol parts.
I purchased this torch on the recommendation of an A & P friend and tech
counselor and have not been disappointed. This was my first experience with
gas welding since my high school days 45 years ago and I did not want to purchase
more than one torch.
The Meco has plenty of tip sizes available so you can do fairly heavy welds such
as the landing gear but it also has the small tips which are more useful for
tubing joints and flat plate welds. The torch itself is light and easy to handle,
especially if you get the lightweight hoses to go with it. Tinmantech also
has training DVDs and lots of other specialty stuff if you are interested.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "TriScout" 2/14/2013 10:46 AM >>>
https://www.tinmantech.com/html/all_meco_related.php
Meco N-Midget Torch
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394267#394267
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| From: | "scudrun" <jstreet(at)uwaterloo.ca> |
I bought this one off e-bay. It was shipped promptly, arrived undamaged and works
beautifully. I've used it for stainless and in AC mode for aluminum. I think
I got an awesome deal.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WSE200P-TIG-AC-DC-200-TIG-MMA-Pulse-Welder-Foot-Pedal-welding-aluminium-220-240V-/200670909552?pt=BI_Welders&hash=item2eb8eb1470
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| From: | "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oxy/Act torch |
Henrob is another great torch. AC spruce sells them. Got mine on Ebay new for
half the price.
Scott Knowlton.
-----Original Message-----
From: Pilot78 <wings.wheels29(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:42:49
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oxy/Act torch
Group,
I have a nice Oxy/Act torch set up with Victor torches and attachments, but I find
my large torch handle is a little awkward to practice my welding with. Several
years ago at Air-Venture my brother and I attend a couple of the welding
classes and they had mini torches for Oxy/Act welding. I don't know if they were
Victor brand or Uniweld. Can anyone recommend a good mini torch? Name brand
and model number? Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394266#394266
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| Subject: | Covering-drain holes |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
All, for the drain holes...do you do them before or after paint? I don't plan on
using plastic grommets, just a soldering iron.
Thanks
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
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| Subject: | Re: Covering-drain holes |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Did mine after. Worked well. Measure twice, melt once.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 12:44 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering-drain holes
All, for the drain holes...do you do them before or after paint? I don't pl
an on
using plastic grommets, just a soldering iron.
Thanks
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
We got rules on this list.....if Rambo says its required, then its REQUIRED
!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com>
Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:56 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing border
Look at 43:13 and any covering manual I have ever seen. They all show ways
to cover ends and say it is required.
Gene
On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Mario Giacummo wrot
e:
Gene, why is required? just to know.
Mario Giacummo
. -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- / ...
- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - .
2013/2/14 Gene Rambo
It is required.
Gene
On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:05 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote
:
.net>
>
> HI Mario,
>
> I closed mine in, but am not sure if it was necessary or not.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 5:29 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing border
>
m>
>
> Hello,
>
> I want to know if it is necesary to close the interior border of a three
> piece wing, I am refering to the side near the center section.
>
> Regards.
>
> --------
> Mario Giacummo
> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394245#394245
>
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| Subject: | Re: Covering-drain holes |
| From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Did mine after, too...no grommets.
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 14, 2013, at 10:58 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Did mine after. Worked well. Measure twice, melt once.
>
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
> To: Pietenpol List
> Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 12:44 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering-drain holes
>
>
> All, for the drain holes...do you do them before or after paint? I don't p
lan on
> using plastic grommets, just a soldering iron.
> Thanks
>
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
How about what he says about color schemes, Dan?
Read this topic online here:
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
We got rules on this list.....if Rambo says its required, then its REQUIRED
!
Dan Helsper
I'm amused by some of the sweeping absolutes I see on the list like never,
always, without
any justification given as to why it might be so.
With a homebuilt airplane nothing is usually required except to pass your a
irworthiness inspection
here in the US but beyond that anything goes and we have seen examples of t
hose rickety, scary
looking homebuilts over the years but they did get an airworthiness certifi
cate and that is all that
is required to complete and fly a homebuilt in this country.
I like seeing advice giving 'usually, often, most times' on the list becau
se with homebuilts there are SO
many options and good ways of doing the same thing that might not be the sa
me as what other builders
have done.
I would talk to the old hands at the airport and they would warn me about u
sing this or that and not to use
the newfangled elastic stop nuts but mostly found they were full of it so I
knew I could always get sound advice
from my Uncle Tony's books instead of old wives tales.
My Uncle Tony Bingelis wrote the book (s)(quite literally) on giving outsta
nding homebuilding advice with
many options taking into account the difficulty or ease of a task, the exp
ense, and weight penalty options
given freely. What an open-minded education too reading Tony's books are
even if you never build or
finish a homebuilt.
Mike C.
All four Binglis books--- http://www.shopeaa.com/bingelissetof4.aspx
Actually probably cheapest on Amazon...
Oh, and if you want to pad the pockets of Jim Irwin at ASSco, Inc
you can pay more than you need to if you buy them here. Buy here and spend
$7.50 more (taking shipping costs
into account between EAA and ACS) http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/bv/
books_bingelis.html
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
It's a easy drive out I-20 from Atlanta, about 50 minutes. You can eat
dinner any time, but visiting Pietenpols....that's another story.
Barry
770-301-8087 cell
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big Piet tour
Barry, that offer sounds pretty fun!
IF I make my flight (I fly standby) and get there in the afternoon as
planned, this would likely work, but will get with Gardiner and see what
his plans are since I'm staying with him.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Covering-drain holes |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Poly-Fiber says to do them at silver, thus avoiding any of the under-coat colors
coming out on your final finish.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Well.......time will tell if he has in fact copied my color scheme exactly.
If so, then yes, he would be right on the mark there as well! Not that I n
ecessarily approve of that behavior, but it would prove his good taste and
his ability to copy important features of those who came before.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 1:19 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing border
>
How about what he says about color schemes, Dan?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394280#394280
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Covering-drain holes |
Like others, mine were burned in after paint. No grommets.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight Again) |
List,=0A=0AI've been looking thru the archives and I can not find a definit
ive answer as to what the max pilot weight is for a Pietenpol because there
are so may variables.-=0A=0AWilliam Wynne and Ryan Muller's research and
subsequent articles published in BPR was excellent however came just short
of giving a recipe for a heavy pilot Piet.=0A=0AI am 6 years into building
a "long" fuse with Cleveland wheels, cub forward style gear and plan on mo
ving the wing back the 3" (as in William and Ryan's example). Exactly where
the CG ends up is anyone guess.-I weigh 225 and am not willing to fly ou
t of the CG range.-=0A=0A-Am I on the right track or am I building the
wrong airplane?=0A=0A=0ARyan Michals=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight Again) |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I'd say not. I'm 180 and fly A LOT with a 100 to 120 lb pax, short fuse, A65.
That's a total of 280 to 300 lbs worth of people and it's NEVER been a problem.
Gets a little dicey with two 180 lbers...
So, you're worry is going to be weight and balance, which I believe you will be
able sort out with wing placement, perhaps a little nose weight (like a battery,
header tank, metal prop which enhances performance anyway, etc).
You may essentially have a two place Sky Scout... Secondly, if you do the math
backwards, with a similar configured plane that you know the numbers to, you
should be able to determine where you need to sit, which may be a bit forward...
sooo... if you're not too far along, you may wind up modifying where the seat
is and basically have a non usable front cockpit, or just make it single place
with a nice baggage compartment up there. Save some additional weight by
eliminating front controls, etc.
This isn't trivial, but fundamentally the plane is proven to be able to carry the
weight, so I wouldn't give up just yet. Also, totally nix the idea of a heavy
finish, you need as light a tail as possible. I'd even consider a dope finish.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394315#394315
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
I take it Dan's post was tongue in cheek. I have certainly never taken suc
h a position. There are people on this post who are engineers=2C who are
master machinists=2C who have spent their whole lives building=2C restoring
and flying a myraid of aircraft=2C who are A&Ps and IAs - some for many=2C
many years. Sometimes people from this group step in from time to time to
offer their opinion=2C based on knowledge and experience=2C in areas they
are familiar with. There are also those who are none of these things=2C but
who nonetheless offer authoritative-sounding opinions on most anything reg
ardless of whether they have any first-hand knowledge. Newcomers to this l
ist have no way of knowing the difference. The standard retort from the pea
nut gallery to every single statement is that "this is an experimental airp
lane and I can do anything I want." True enough=2C but there are some gene
ral practices that can be changed=2C but for no reason. You don't HAVE to
use locknuts or cotter pins in aircraft bolts . . . the books all say it=2C
common sense dictates it=2C but it IS an experimental airplane. I doubt an
y inspector will approve it=2C but let me know how the experimental argumen
t works for you. Primary flight control cables in (modern) certified airpl
anes are always at least 1/8 by rule. Yes=2C the plans show less=2C yes=2C
you can do it=2C it IS an experimental airplane. Do whatever you want. T
here are a million other standard ppractices that are ignored on this list
every day by people who don't want to listen to experience. Since it seems
to bother so many people to have their certainty threatened by anyone who j
ust might know what they are talking about=2C I will wisely join the majori
ty of the people in the first paragraph and keep my mouth shut from now on
by removing myself from this list. God forbid I might know what I am talki
ng about=2C and I certainly don't have to prove myself to anyone. GeneFrom:
michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov
Date: Thu=2C 14 Feb 2013 13:25:50 -0600
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing border
We got rules on this list.....if Rambo says its required=2C then its REQUIR
ED! Dan Helsper I=92m amused by some of the sweeping absolutes I see on th
e list like never=2C always=2C withoutany justification given as to why it
might be so. With a homebuilt airplane nothing is usually required except
to pass your airworthiness inspectionhere in the US but beyond that anythi
ng goes and we have seen examples of those rickety=2C scarylooking homebuil
ts over the years but they did get an airworthiness certificate and that is
all thatis required to complete and fly a homebuilt in this country. I li
ke seeing advice giving =91usually=2C often=2C most times=92 on the list b
ecause with homebuilts there are SOmany options and good ways of doing the
same thing that might not be the same as what other buildershave done. I
would talk to the old hands at the airport and they would warn me about usi
ng this or that and not to usethe newfangled elastic stop nuts but mostly f
ound they were full of it so I knew I could always get sound advicefrom my
Uncle Tony=92s books instead of old wives tales. My Uncle Tony Bingelis w
rote the book (s)(quite literally) on giving outstanding homebuilding advic
e withmany options taking into account the difficulty or ease of a task=2C
the expense=2C and weight penalty optionsgiven freely. What an open-min
ded education too reading Tony=92s books are even if you never build orfini
sh a homebuilt. Mike C. All four Binglis books--- http://www.shopeaa
.com/bingelissetof4.aspx Actually probably cheapest on Amazon=85 Oh=2C and
if you want to pad the pockets of Jim Irwin at ASSco=2C Incyou can pay more
than you need to if you buy them here. Buy here and spend $7.50 more (tak
ing shipping costsinto account between EAA and ACS) http://www.aircraftsp
ruce.com/menus/bv/books_bingelis.html
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight Again) |
Ryan,
I have only successfully completed one Pietenpol, and no way consider myself
to be all-knowing.but, FWIW.
I don't think your weight will be an issue. Do not move your cockpit.it will
lead to too many issues. Consider allowing your wing to tilt back 4" (that's
what I did. I'm 195 when I'm lying). I have a wing tank, and fuel and
passenger seem to do very little to the balance, although it does affect the
weight, and therefore the performance. You did not mention your engine,
although I have witnessed Model A's doing amazing work at Brodhead. I have a
Corvair, developing 110 hp on T/O, with my current prop.
Please keep us posted on your progress!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan M
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 4:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight
Again)
List,
I've been looking thru the archives and I can not find a
definitive answer as to what the max pilot weight is for a Pietenpol because
there are so may variables.
William Wynne and Ryan Muller's research and subsequent articles published
in BPR was excellent however came just short of giving a recipe for a heavy
pilot Piet.
I am 6 years into building a "long" fuse with Cleveland wheels, cub forward
style gear and plan on moving the wing back the 3" (as in William and Ryan's
example). Exactly where the CG ends up is anyone guess. I weigh 225 and am
not willing to fly out of the CG range.
Am I on the right track or am I building the wrong airplane?
Ryan Michals
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| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I've never researched one of those, but hear A LOT about them on many welding forums.
It's one of those things where you hate to admit it, but apparantly they
work really really well... especially in the not so heavy duty cycle/occassional
use arena (which is us).
ESPECIALLY with ALL the accessories there, including a helmet. One stop shopping
and everything is matched. Maybe with the exception of a little dedicated
grinder to keep your tungsten sharp.
By the way, when learning TIG, you're gonna contaminate your tungsten a lot. Just
stop, regrind and go again. Trying to weld with a messed up tip is completely
counterproductive. It's tough to make yourself stop, especially when you
get a good run going, but you can't. Ultimately gonna frustrate you more than
just stopping to reset.
By the way, for anyone learning welding, I HIGHLY recommend paying a visit to www.weldingtipsandtricks.com. That guy makes some REALLY easy to watch and understand videos of all sorts of welding. It's a great website. Nothing but really practical videos and advice.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394318#394318
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| Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight Again) |
| From: | Aircamperace(at)yahoo.com |
Thanks. Haven't decided on engine yet but it's either Corvair or Continental
. Since I can't decide I'm focusing on fire wall aft.
I am getting ready to bend wing/gear fittings soon.
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 14, 2013, at 8:13 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
> Ryan,
>
> I have only successfully completed one Pietenpol, and no way consider myse
lf to be all-knowingbut, FWIW
>
> I don=99t think your weight will be an issue. Do not move your cockp
itit will lead to too many issues. Consider allowing your wing to t
ilt back 4=9D (that=99s what I did. I=99m 195 when I
=99m lying). I have a wing tank, and fuel and passenger seem to do very litt
le to the balance, although it does affect the weight, and therefore the per
formance. You did not mention your engine, although I have witnessed Model A
=99s doing amazing work at Brodhead. I have a Corvair, developing 110 h
p on T/O, with my current prop.
>
> Please keep us posted on your progress!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan M
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 4:08 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight A
gain)
>
> List,
>
> I've been looking thru the archives and I can not find a defin
itive answer as to what the max pilot weight is for a Pietenpol because ther
e are so may variables.
>
> William Wynne and Ryan Muller's research and subsequent articles published
in BPR was excellent however came just short of giving a recipe for a heavy
pilot Piet.
>
> I am 6 years into building a "long" fuse with Cleveland wheels, cub forwar
d style gear and plan on moving the wing back the 3" (as in William and Ryan
's example). Exactly where the CG ends up is anyone guess. I weigh 225 and a
m not willing to fly out of the CG range.
>
> Am I on the right track or am I building the wrong airplane?
>
> Ryan Michals
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight |
Again)
| From: | Perry <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net> |
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| Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight Again) |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Something else to consider along weight and balance. The difference in cg between
me in the front alone (16.5 inches), scott in the back alone (50 lbs lighter
than me) 18 inches, me in the back alone (18.5 inches).
In other words, 180 lbs only moved the cg 2 inches. 50 lbs moved it about half
an inch. It was all linear as it should be and seemed to indicate that your
weight should not cause a problem insofar as being aft of 20 inches (the recommended
limit).
I did the balance with me in the front only, just for the data point. We did the
weight and balance by loading the plane as we would fly it (yep, just climbed
in while on the scales, used race car scales) and taking direct data.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394323#394323
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| Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight Again) |
| From: | Matthew <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
Grandpa's Peit is long fuse, corvair powered, (b.h. Pietenpol style conversi
on) the wing is moved back 6" I believe. Grandpa 'Big Jim' is 6'6" 275lbs.
The wing is far enough aft that when it rains the water doesn't drop off th
e wing into the cockpit. He did say it flew a tad nose heavy, I may be adju
sting those figures when I put it back together this summer
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:07 PM, Ryan M wrote:
> List,
>
> I've been looking thru the archives and I can not find a definitive
answer as to what the max pilot weight is for a Pietenpol because there are
so may variables.
>
> William Wynne and Ryan Muller's research and subsequent articles published
in BPR was excellent however came just short of giving a recipe for a heavy
pilot Piet.
>
> I am 6 years into building a "long" fuse with Cleveland wheels, cub forwar
d style gear and plan on moving the wing back the 3" (as in William and Ryan
's example). Exactly where the CG ends up is anyone guess. I weigh 225 and a
m not willing to fly out of the CG range.
>
> Am I on the right track or am I building the wrong airplane?
>
> Ryan Michals
>
>
>
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| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
A very good site Tools! Also don't regrind have 10 ready to go...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:22 PM, "tools" wrote:
>
> I've never researched one of those, but hear A LOT about them on many welding
forums. It's one of those things where you hate to admit it, but apparantly
they work really really well... especially in the not so heavy duty cycle/occassional
use arena (which is us).
>
> ESPECIALLY with ALL the accessories there, including a helmet. One stop shopping
and everything is matched. Maybe with the exception of a little dedicated
grinder to keep your tungsten sharp.
>
> By the way, when learning TIG, you're gonna contaminate your tungsten a lot.
Just stop, regrind and go again. Trying to weld with a messed up tip is completely
counterproductive. It's tough to make yourself stop, especially when you
get a good run going, but you can't. Ultimately gonna frustrate you more than
just stopping to reset.
>
> By the way, for anyone learning welding, I HIGHLY recommend paying a visit to www.weldingtipsandtricks.com. That guy makes some REALLY easy to watch and understand videos of all sorts of welding. It's a great website. Nothing but really practical videos and advice.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394318#394318
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Copying is the sincerest form of flatery.
Clif
But then;
A fool flatters himself, a wise man flatters the fool. (Edward G.
Bulwer-Lytton) :-)
Well.......time will tell if he has in fact copied my color scheme
exactly. Not that I necessarily approve of that behavior, but it would
prove his good taste and his ability to copy important features of those
who came before.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Oxy/Act torch |
| From: | "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com> |
Brian, I have an old Meco torch and I love it. I am not too crazy about my tinn
man video about jigging and repairing tubing. There is some good info but I think
they stand around and talk too much. If you send me your address I will mail
it to you, maybe it will help you. My email address is biplan53(at)hotmail.com
--------
Building steel fuselage aircamper.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394331#394331
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| From: | "Michael McGowan" <shadetree(at)socket.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight Again) |
What about moving the engine foward instead of the wing back. If you put
the increase in the front most fuselage bay this wouldn't change the
wing or landing gear fittings and would give more room in the front
cockpit?
Mike McGowan
Long fuselage Model A fat pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot
Weight Again)
Grandpa's Peit is long fuse, corvair powered, (b.h. Pietenpol style
conversion) the wing is moved back 6" I believe. Grandpa 'Big Jim' is
6'6" 275lbs. The wing is far enough aft that when it rains the water
doesn't drop off the wing into the cockpit. He did say it flew a tad
nose heavy, I may be adjusting those figures when I put it back together
this summer
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:07 PM, Ryan M wrote:
List,
I've been looking thru the archives and I can not find a definitive
answer as to what the max pilot weight is for a Pietenpol because there
are so may variables.
William Wynne and Ryan Muller's research and subsequent articles
published in BPR was excellent however came just short of giving a
recipe for a heavy pilot Piet.
I am 6 years into building a "long" fuse with Cleveland wheels, cub
forward style gear and plan on moving the wing back the 3" (as in
William and Ryan's example). Exactly where the CG ends up is anyone
guess. I weigh 225 and am not willing to fly out of the CG range.
Am I on the right track or am I building the wrong airplane?
Ryan Michals
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight |
Again)
The farther forward the wieght the lighter it has
to be. What's the absolute farthest? The front
side of the prop. So what about a heavy cap
type spinner? It shouldn't cause excessive
stress on the crank, the prop does enough of
that all by itself, especially a metal one.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Perry
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot
Weight Again)
You'll be fine. I've flown N12939 weighing 225 to 240.
Always in CG. But I did bolt 10lbs to the firewall. If you're ever
in central Illinois, you're welcome to try it on.
Perry Roads
N12939
Ryan M wrote:
List,
I've been looking thru the archives and I can not find a definitive
answer as to what the max pilot weight is for a Pietenpol because there
are so may variables.
William Wynne and Ryan Muller's research and subsequent articles
published in BPR was excellent however came just short of giving a
recipe for a heavy pilot Piet.
I am 6 years into building a "long" fuse with Cleveland wheels, cub
forward style gear and plan on moving the wing back the 3" (as in
William and Ryan's example). Exactly where the CG ends up is anyone
guess. I weigh 225 and am not willing to fly out of the CG range.
Am I on the right track or am I building the wrong airplane?
Ryan Michals
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| Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight Again) |
| From: | Ryan M <Aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> |
Good point Mike but my fuselage frame is done. Making a longer engine mount i
s an option but as the article pointed out you get the most lbs per inch cha
nge by moving the wing. The way I understand it, the fitting stay in the sam
e spot, it just shifts back and changes the geometry of your struts.
Ryan
Sent from my iPhon
On Feb 14, 2013, at 10:57 PM, "Michael McGowan" wrote
:
> What about moving the engine foward instead of the wing back. If you put t
he increase in the front most fuselage bay this wouldn't change the wing or l
anding gear fittings and would give more room in the front cockpit?
>
> Mike McGowan
> Long fuselage Model A fat pilot
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Matthew
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 8:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weig
ht Again)
>
> Grandpa's Peit is long fuse, corvair powered, (b.h. Pietenpol style conver
sion) the wing is moved back 6" I believe. Grandpa 'Big Jim' is 6'6" 275lbs
. The wing is far enough aft that when it rains the water doesn't drop off t
he wing into the cockpit. He did say it flew a tad nose heavy, I may be adj
usting those figures when I put it back together this summer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:07 PM, Ryan M wrote:
>
>> List,
>>
>> I've been looking thru the archives and I can not find a definitive answe
r as to what the max pilot weight is for a Pietenpol because there are so ma
y variables.
>>
>> William Wynne and Ryan Muller's research and subsequent articles publishe
d in BPR was excellent however came just short of giving a recipe for a heav
y pilot Piet.
>>
>> I am 6 years into building a "long" fuse with Cleveland wheels, cub forwa
rd style gear and plan on moving the wing back the 3" (as in William and Rya
n's example). Exactly where the CG ends up is anyone guess. I weigh 225 and a
m not willing to fly out of the CG range.
>>
>> Am I on the right track or am I building the wrong airplane?
>>
>> Ryan Michals
>>
>>
>>
>> =========
>> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> =========
>> cs.com
>> =========
>> matronics.com/contribution
>> =========
>>
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr
onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight Again) |
-Crew, just some thoughts to keep in mind about hunting for a good CG, if
anyone has not thought about them:
Making things longer, wider, taller, etc. adds weight to the plane.
As you rotate the wing back, you also lower it in relation to the cock pits
.
Now that the wing is lower, people make the cabane struts longer.
Moving the wing back is the same as moving everything under it forward. Doi
ng so- will give you the greatest change in CG for the smallest amount of
arm change and you add no additional weight...except for the longer cabane
struts, if you choose so. (this may have been stated in the W&B articles i
n the news letter mentioned earlier.)
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com=0A
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| From: | Gardiner <airlion2(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight |
Again)
On 2/14/2013 8:13 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> Ryan,
>
> I have only successfully completed one Pietenpol, and no way consider
> myself to be all-knowing...but, FWIW...
>
> I don't think your weight will be an issue. Do not move your
> cockpit...it will lead to too many issues. Consider allowing your wing
> to tilt back 4" (that's what I did. I'm 195 when I'm lying). I have a
> wing tank, and fuel and passenger seem to do very little to the
> balance, although it does affect the weight, and therefore the
> performance. You did not mention your engine, although I have
> witnessed Model A's doing amazing work at Brodhead. I have a Corvair,
> developing 110 hp on T/O, with my current prop.
>
> Please keep us posted on your progress!
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> NX308MB
>
> *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan M
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 14, 2013 4:08 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot
> Weight Again)
>
> List,
>
> I've been looking thru the archives and I can not find a definitive
> answer as to what the max pilot weight is for a Pietenpol because
> there are so may variables.
>
> William Wynne and Ryan Muller's research and subsequent articles
> published in BPR was excellent however came just short of giving a
> recipe for a heavy pilot Piet.
>
> I am 6 years into building a "long" fuse with Cleveland wheels, cub
> forward style gear and plan on moving the wing back the 3" (as in
> William and Ryan's example). Exactly where the CG ends up is anyone
> guess. I weigh 225 and am not willing to fly out of the CG range.
>
> Am I on the right track or am I building the wrong airplane?
>
> Ryan Michals
>
> * *
> * *
> **
> **
> **
> **
> **
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List*
> **
> **
> *http://forums.matronics.com*
> **
> **
> **
> **
> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
> **
> * what prop are you using gary? gardiner*
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Some decals went on today! |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
kevinpurtee wrote:
> Looks great, Chris.
>
> Was it you I e-mailed about drain holes for the wings? If it was, and you didn't
get it, and you haven't put them in then, you should consider installing
them. I found out that aircraft that are "always hangared" can still get water
in the low spots. A lot of water.
>
> If it wasn't you, please disregard:).
I dont recall us talking about that........but yes i am going to be putting in
drain holes. I plan to do it when its all assembled with a soldering iron.
--------
NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
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| From: | "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight |
Again)
I don't know if I should blame my Android tablet, or old age for the way
this was typed ????
----- Original Message -----
From: Perry
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot
Weight Again)
You'll be fine. I've flown N12939 weighing 225 to 240. Always
in CG. But I did bolt 10lbs to the firewall. If you're ever in
central Illinois, you're welcome to try it on.
Perry Roads
N12939
Ryan M wrote:
List,
I've been looking thru the archives and I can not find a definitive
answer as to what the max pilot weight is for a Pietenpol because there
are so may variables.
William Wynne and Ryan Muller's research and subsequent articles
published in BPR was excellent however came just short of giving a
recipe for a heavy pilot Piet.
I am 6 years into building a "long" fuse with Cleveland wheels, cub
forward style gear and plan on moving the wing back the 3" (as in
William and Ryan's example). Exactly where the CG ends up is anyone
guess. I weigh 225 and am not willing to fly out of the CG range.
Am I on the right track or am I building the wrong airplane?
Ryan Michals
=EF=BD~=EF=BD=03
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| Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight Again) |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Ryan,
The French valley EAA chapter just finished a short Fuse Piet with a Corvair engine.
The wings are not shifted rearward. I did the test flight. The empty
weight of the plane is 765 lbs. For me to fly it, they put 16 lbs of lead right
behind the prop. Before I flew it, I added 46 lbs more on the floor right
behind the firewall. This was perfect and it flew great with no other trim needed.
When I flew it I weighed in at 230 lbs. The owners of the plane only weigh
in at about 180 lbs. The CG should be fine for them. That is why I elected
to add the weight for the one flight I made. No reason to shift the wing
for only me. To answer your question. It is very doable with your weight. I
would certainly follow everyone's advice and shift your wing back so you can
fly it without adding unnecessary weight to the plane. I am always at the most
reward CG in my own plane. I am now trying to drop some of my own weight to
help out that CG issue. I don't have the ability to shift my wing. Build it
per plans so you can adjust the wings and all will be good.
Hope you find this useful,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Michael McGowan" <shadetree(at)socket.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight |
Again)
Fuel and passengers are right at the cg so they won't make a difference in
balance. With a long fuselage the pilot is farther from the cg so a small
increase in pilot girth will make the plane tail heavy which Piets tend to
be anyway. So if you don't have your fuselage built yet how much farther
foward would a Model A have to be to balance a 225 lb pilot? If it's only
inches that would not be a large increase in fuselage weight. Mike McGowan
----- Original Message -----
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight
Again)
>
>
> Ryan,
>
> The French valley EAA chapter just finished a short Fuse Piet with a
> Corvair engine. The wings are not shifted rearward. I did the test
> flight. The empty weight of the plane is 765 lbs. For me to fly it, they
> put 16 lbs of lead right behind the prop. Before I flew it, I added 46
> lbs more on the floor right behind the firewall. This was perfect and it
> flew great with no other trim needed. When I flew it I weighed in at 230
> lbs. The owners of the plane only weigh in at about 180 lbs. The CG
> should be fine for them. That is why I elected to add the weight for the
> one flight I made. No reason to shift the wing for only me. To answer
> your question. It is very doable with your weight. I would certainly
> follow everyone's advice and shift your wing back so you can fly it
> without adding unnecessary weight to the plane. I am always at the most
> reward CG in my own plane. I am now trying to drop some of my own weight
> to help out that CG issue. I don't have the ability t!
> o shift my wing. Build it per plans so you can adjust the wings and all
> will be good.
>
> Hope you find this useful,
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394355#394355
>
>
>
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight |
Again)
Perry, It helps read this if you have sex daily! OOPs I meant dyslexia!
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Perry Rhoads <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:30
Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight
Again)
> I don't know if I should blame my Android tablet, or old age for
> the way this was typed ????
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Perry
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Am I building the wrong airplane?
> (Pilot Weight Again)
>
>
> You'll be fine. I've flown N12939 weighing 225 to 240.
> Always in CG. But I did bolt 10lbs to the firewall. If you're
> ever in central Illinois, you're welcome to try it on.
> Perry Roads
> N12939
>
>
> Ryan M < wrote:
>
>
> List,
>
>
> I've been looking thru the archives and I can not find a definitive answer as
to what the max pilot weight is for a Pietenpol because there are so may variables.
>
>
> William Wynne and Ryan Muller's research and subsequent articles published in
BPR was excellent however came just short of giving a recipe for a heavy pilot
Piet.
>
>
> I am 6 years into building a "long" fuse with Cleveland wheels, cub forward style
gear and plan on moving the wing back the 3" (as in William and Ryan's example).
Exactly where the CG ends up is anyone guess. I weigh 225 and am not willing
to fly out of the CG range.
>
>
> Am I on the right track or am I building the wrong airplane?
>
>
>
> Ryan Michals
>
>
>
>
>
> ~
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight Again) |
Ryan
You should be fine at 225 as long as you don't build it too heavy. If you
want a rapid climb rate, high speed all while hauling you and another 200+
pounder then you might be pushing it. It's still a Pietenpol after all.
Plan on moving the wing back up to 6 inches. This moves not only the engine
forward but also the weight of the landing gear and fuselage forward. Steve
Eldredge (220lb)ended up with his wing back 6 inches and flew the heck out
of his plane with only an A-65. I don't see why you can't do the same. If
you want proof that it is possible read Steve's old webpage I was able to
dig up:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040812033606/http://aircamper.byu.edu/Piet.htm#
Day_one You can see pictures of Steve's plane here. Let us not forget Mike
Cuy wasn't so small either.
Here are some comments from the archives.
After flying in my short fuse aircamper, then trying on the long fuse with
a
1" width modification, I felt like I was rattling around in the back seat.
I am 5'10" 220lbs.
Steve E.
Date: Sep 18, 2001
From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Sky Gypsy--long fuse
Both Steve and I not being skinny had to position our
wings, in my case 4" aft of vertical and in Steve's I'm not positive but I
recall
he said he went 6" to make the CG good. I ALSO made my motor mount one
inch longer than plans.....and to do it over, I'd make it two or 3 inches
longer
possibly. I don't think any of this matters much on if you build the long
or short
fuselage or what engine you use because the CG can be worked out by moving
the wing.
This is not to say you shouldn't do your homework and see what worked for
other
guys with each engine/fuselage combination. Look in Doc Mosher's Piet
directory,
find someone with your intended engine choice, and call them. Write
them, several
of them. Find out what wing position worked for them. Did they use a
tail wheel or
skid ? Do they weigh 150 lbs. or 220 lbs. ? Do they have fuel in the
nose
or wing ? Ask, ask, ask.
>Mike C.
Subject: Useful Weight
Date: Sep 15, 2003
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
There isn't much published on the gross weight. I set mine at 1200lbs
not knowing any better at the time.
I've got an A-65 powered 626Lbs ship. 14 gallons fuel. I live at 4500'
I have lifted off at 1170lbs gross. Expect 100' per minute or less on
high density altitude days. Solo at about 1000lbs I get 3-400 fpm
climb. (Quite satisfactory since I only try for 800' on most flights.
I think an 0-200 would be a perfect fit under these conditions. It
would really perform in any temperature solo, and still be respectable
with two adults on board.
260lbs is going to be too much I think for the rear seat solo. I'm at
230 on a heavy day and I'm toward the rear of the CG envelope. I've got
20 lbs of lead on the nose to motivate me to loose weight. 7 years and
its still there.
Steve E.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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| From: | "Michael McGowan" <shadetree(at)socket.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight Again) |
How much does a Model A, prop hub and wooden prop weigh?
Mike McGowan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:35 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight
Again)
>
> Ryan
>
> You should be fine at 225 as long as you don't build it too heavy. If you
> want a rapid climb rate, high speed all while hauling you and another 200+
> pounder then you might be pushing it. It's still a Pietenpol after all.
>
> Plan on moving the wing back up to 6 inches. This moves not only the
> engine
> forward but also the weight of the landing gear and fuselage forward.
> Steve
> Eldredge (220lb)ended up with his wing back 6 inches and flew the heck out
> of his plane with only an A-65. I don't see why you can't do the same. If
> you want proof that it is possible read Steve's old webpage I was able to
> dig up:
> http://web.archive.org/web/20040812033606/http://aircamper.byu.edu/Piet.htm#
> Day_one You can see pictures of Steve's plane here. Let us not forget
> Mike
> Cuy wasn't so small either.
>
>
> Here are some comments from the archives.
>
> After flying in my short fuse aircamper, then trying on the long fuse with
> a
> 1" width modification, I felt like I was rattling around in the back seat.
> I am 5'10" 220lbs.
> Steve E.
>
> Date: Sep 18, 2001
>
> From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Subject: Sky Gypsy--long fuse
>
> Both Steve and I not being skinny had to position our
> wings, in my case 4" aft of vertical and in Steve's I'm not positive but I
> recall
> he said he went 6" to make the CG good. I ALSO made my motor mount one
> inch longer than plans.....and to do it over, I'd make it two or 3 inches
> longer
> possibly. I don't think any of this matters much on if you build the
> long
> or short
> fuselage or what engine you use because the CG can be worked out by moving
> the wing.
> This is not to say you shouldn't do your homework and see what worked for
> other
> guys with each engine/fuselage combination. Look in Doc Mosher's Piet
> directory,
> find someone with your intended engine choice, and call them. Write
> them, several
> of them. Find out what wing position worked for them. Did they use a
> tail wheel or
> skid ? Do they weigh 150 lbs. or 220 lbs. ? Do they have fuel in the
> nose
> or wing ? Ask, ask, ask.
> >Mike C.
>
> Subject: Useful Weight
>
> Date: Sep 15, 2003
>
> From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
>
> There isn't much published on the gross weight. I set mine at 1200lbs
> not knowing any better at the time.
> I've got an A-65 powered 626Lbs ship. 14 gallons fuel. I live at 4500'
> I have lifted off at 1170lbs gross. Expect 100' per minute or less on
> high density altitude days. Solo at about 1000lbs I get 3-400 fpm
> climb. (Quite satisfactory since I only try for 800' on most flights.
> I think an 0-200 would be a perfect fit under these conditions. It
> would really perform in any temperature solo, and still be respectable
> with two adults on board.
> 260lbs is going to be too much I think for the rear seat solo. I'm at
> 230 on a heavy day and I'm toward the rear of the CG envelope. I've got
> 20 lbs of lead on the nose to motivate me to loose weight. 7 years and
> its still there.
> Steve E.
>
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, Ca
> Westcoastpiet.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight Again) |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Well, the one thing we can all agree on is that no two Piets will have the same
weight & balance, so sweeping generalities about maximum pilot weight are just
BS. However, here's another data point based on my airplane. Scout has an
A75 on the nose (same weight as an A65), empty weight of 633 lbs., 4" swept-back
cabanes, and a 16 gallon fuel tank in the nose. I believe it's the 'improved'
fuselage length. Pretty stock.
The spreadsheet shows that will full fuel and oil, the heaviest pilot that can
saddle up in the rear cockpit is about 215-220 lbs. and although the airplane
will still be under gross by 144 lbs., the CG will be at the aft limit.
With that loading, I can put a 144 lb. passenger in the front cockpit and the CG
stays about the same but I'm at gross. The airplane has flown many times in
that configuration and is quite happy, but climb rate isn't spectacular.
The other things to check (and Tools touched on this) are minimum pilot weight
and front-seat solo. My airplane has a minimum pilot weight of 105 lbs (rear
cockpit), because with full fuel and oil, the CG falls out the front end of the
envelope with a too-light pilot, even though the airplane is only at 839 lbs.
gross that way. My airplane can also not be safely soloed from the front cockpit
for the same reason, so the front cockpit is placarded against front seat
solo flight.
Get the W&B spreadsheet and play with it. Mine is attached, if anyone cares to
tailor it to their own airplane and use it as a template.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight |
Again)
Thanks, I am going to look this over and compare it to 3379.
Any ideas about flying from the front seat with a pax in the back seat? There is
no way my wife is going to be bent, folded and manipulated into the front seat.
Blue Skies
----- Original Message -----
From: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Friday, February 15, 2013 22:01
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight Again)
>
> Well, the one thing we can all agree on is that no two Piets will have the same
weight & balance, so sweeping generalities about maximum pilot
> weight are just BS. However, here's another data point based on my
> airplane. Scout has an A75 on the nose (same weight as an A65),
> empty weight of 633 lbs., 4" swept-back cabanes, and a 16 gallon
> fuel tank in the nose. I believe it's the 'improved' fuselage
> length. Pretty stock.
>
> The spreadsheet shows that will full fuel and oil, the heaviest
> pilot that can saddle up in the rear cockpit is about 215-220 lbs.
> and although the airplane will still be under gross by 144 lbs.,
> the CG will be at the aft limit.
>
> With that loading, I can put a 144 lb. passenger in the front
> cockpit and the CG stays about the same but I'm at gross. The
> airplane has flown many times in that configuration and is quite
> happy, but climb rate isn't spectacular.
>
> The other things to check (and Tools touched on this) are minimum
> pilot weight and front-seat solo. My airplane has a minimum pilot
> weight of 105 lbs (rear cockpit), because with full fuel and oil,
> the CG falls out the front end of the envelope with a too-light
> pilot, even though the airplane is only at 839 lbs. gross that way.
> My airplane can also not be safely soloed from the front cockpit
> for the same reason, so the front cockpit is placarded against
> front seat solo flight.
>
> Get the W&B spreadsheet and play with it. Mine is attached, if
> anyone cares to tailor it to their own airplane and use it as a
> template.
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394383#394383
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/nx41ccw_b_2010_155.xls
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Front seat flying, pax in rear |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey Steven,
Starting a new thread on this so as not to hijack.
I bought a piet to teach my kid to fly. It's a VERY stock plane, but no throttle
in the front, so we added one, which was very light and easy.
The issues we found, and one the very hard way, is the stock rudder pedal geometry
is not so great for ground handling. My son has lots of flying and landing
from the front, I've only got a few take offs and landings from there, and it's
generally ok, but uncomfortable, somewhat unnerving, it wasn't until the last
flight we learned that because you're so on top of the pedals, you can pretty
easily overcenter one and lay it flat on the floor...
I'd recommend hanging them or designing some really good stops. Even better, do
something like I saw on the EAA's Spirit of St Louis flying replica (which has
been modified for a front seat flyer) and that was to put little "wells" that
move the pedals a tad further out into the empty area under the engine forward
of the firewall (they were made of stainless, so very structural and safe
in my opinion) just a bit. Enough so that you're swinging at the pedals with
a similar knee bend as from the back seat. I'd really have to get pictures, it
was pretty cool and "should" work well in a Piet...
A very minor deal that can cause big problems, one of the reasons ALL changes to
plans REALLY have to be thought out well, considered, blah blah blah.
Other than that, minor stuff, like the brakes (easily done in both cockpits, or
just the front), mag switches, some instruments.
The pedals like they are, are fine for letting someone fly around from up there,
just not great when you need lots of throw and quickly. I'm going to keep working
on making mine safely flyable from the front so that's there's a plane
around that folks could get checked out in at Brodhead or similar events.
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight |
Again)Sky Gypsy--long fuse Useful Weight
Hello Fellow Pieters!
I've been lurking due to a hechuvalotta work over the last three years (htt
p://www.emory.edu/EMORY_REPORT/stories/2011/06/people_emory_profile_jeffrey
_boatright.html), but things are getting back to mornal, so I hope to becom
e active on the list again.
First thing up:
I re-did my W&B during annual and I'm aft of the aft CG limit with low fuel
and me in my winter togs. I am thinking about moving my wing back but I do
n't understand how the wing strut fitting at the wing allows this motion. T
he strut fitting at the fuselage clearly allows fore-and-aft movement. My f
ittings are similar to those shown at westcoastpiet.com for Charlie Miller'
s plane.
Wing strut fitting at fuselage:
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Charlie%20Miller/images/IMG_3313.JPG
Wing strut fitting at wing:
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Charlie%20Miller/images/IMG_3335.JPG
The fittings at the wing of my Piet are similar to this (the strut end is d
ifferent). I can see how this fitting allows a change in dihedral, but not
a fore-and-aft change of the wing. Any thoughts much appreciated,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight Again)Sky |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Those are just like mine. The single bolt going through allows that little piece
sticking out the end to pivot a little. If there were two bolts there, it
would be a problem like you mention.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight |
Again)Sky
Jeffery - Best wishes in your research at work.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 6:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Am I building the wrong airplane? (Pilot Weight
Again)Sky
Those are just like mine. The single bolt going through allows that little
piece sticking out the end to pivot a little. If there were two bolts
there, it would be a problem like you mention.
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | front seat flying |
Steve=3B
The airplane doesn't know or care who is piloting the airplane=2C or from w
hich cockpit. My first couple of hours (and first couple of dozen landings
) in Scout were made with me in the front cockpit and my instructor in the
back. Thus=2C I learned to fly the airplane without benefit of instruments
of any kind=2C and I thought that was a good thing. I've flown it from th
e front seat (with another pilot in back) on different occasions and I find
the sensation exhilarating. The propeller is so close you can touch it (o
r so it seems)=2C and there is a much different feel when you're essentiall
y on the CG. It's fun. It makes the airplane seem smaller=2C sportier.
However=2C there are three controls in the front cockpit of my airplane tha
t I consider to be essential to safety of flight and operation=2C that are
not replicated in the front cockpit. They are=2C in descending order of im
portance to me: carb heat=2C fuel shutoff=2C and ignition switch. One coul
d argue that the brakes are sometimes essential=2C and there are no brake p
edals in the front cockpit=2C but "it depends". Turf or hard surface? Cal
m winds or gusty? Short field or long? Brakes are nice to have=2C but pro
bably not essential most of the time.
Unless you are flying with someone who is intimately familiar with flying y
our airplane and who knows and understands the importance of those three co
ntrols=2C I would question the prudence of flying the airplane from the fro
nt seat while the other person is in the rear. And unless they know and un
derstand what the brake pedals do=2C keep that person away from them. Base
d on my experience flying out of south Texas with a small Continental and S
tromberg carb=2C the carb heat knob can be as important to you as the ripco
rd is to a parachutist=2C because carb ice will kill your engine or chop th
e available power drastically=2C and that carb heat knob can keep you in th
e air. And of course in an emergency situation=2C proper use of the fuel s
hutoff valve and ignition switch can be very important as well.
My two cents.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Tore Down my engine! |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
A few months back, a buddy of mine sold me a Continental PC-60 Packette engine,
which is virtually identical to a C-90, at least inside. Along with the PC-60,
I got a C-85-12F Crankcase and four O-200 Chrome plated Cylinders, with valves...
all for $250. Then, on another visit, I found second GPU engine which
I picked up for $50. The thought was that I would be able to put together one
nice C-90-ish engine in a C-85 case. Since the GPU is a -12 configuration,
the gears, and accessory case will allow me to have a full up electrical system.
(I fly from a controlled field where they train air traffic controllers, and
they don't like aircraft without radio & xponder.)
So, during the last couple of weeks, I built an engine stand, mounted the engine,
and tore it down. Pics are attached.
After disassembly, the crankshaft mikes mid-range of NEW specs on both main and
rod journals, and the only thing it needs is magnafluxing.
The Cam, followers, & oil pump are all within tolerance and pristine in appearance.
The pistons, however, are a different story, as they appear to be used,
with a few broken rings, and ring grooves beyond the wear limits.
Next, I'll vat the C-85 case and start getting bearings to build the lower end.
If any of you have C-85 or 90 parts you want to offload, contact me offline and
let me know what you have. I'd really like to find a 530788 cam, and a set of
pistons...
--------
Tom Kreiner
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| From: | Gardiner <airlion2(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tore Down my engine! |
I have a starter and generator that came off my C90 from my cessna 140
for a lightweight starter and alternator. I figure they would be worth
75 bucks each. Gardiner
>
> A few months back, a buddy of mine sold me a Continental PC-60 Packette engine,
which is virtually identical to a C-90, at least inside. Along with the PC-60,
I got a C-85-12F Crankcase and four O-200 Chrome plated Cylinders, with valves...
all for $250. Then, on another visit, I found second GPU engine which
I picked up for $50. The thought was that I would be able to put together
one nice C-90-ish engine in a C-85 case. Since the GPU is a -12 configuration,
the gears, and accessory case will allow me to have a full up electrical system.
(I fly from a controlled field where they train air traffic controllers,
and they don't like aircraft without radio & xponder.)
>
> So, during the last couple of weeks, I built an engine stand, mounted the engine,
and tore it down. Pics are attached.
>
> After disassembly, the crankshaft mikes mid-range of NEW specs on both main and
rod journals, and the only thing it needs is magnafluxing.
>
> The Cam, followers, & oil pump are all within tolerance and pristine in appearance.
The pistons, however, are a different story, as they appear to be used,
with a few broken rings, and ring grooves beyond the wear limits.
>
> Next, I'll vat the C-85 case and start getting bearings to build the lower end.
>
> If any of you have C-85 or 90 parts you want to offload, contact me offline and
let me know what you have. I'd really like to find a 530788 cam, and a set
of pistons...
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394422#394422
>
>
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
Jerry,
Very cool story about your father and his last "paycheck" from Luscombe.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
> To:
> Date: 2/14/2013 9:26:43 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TIG Welder
>
>
> Fred,
> If you are planning on welding a lot of thin aluminum plan on one of the
better machines that have high frequency arc stabilization. I am not
"current" on the new breed of tig machines. Mine is a 1980 Miller Gold Star
300 which cost me $3000 back then. It has an amperage start control and a
ramp up control so you don't blow a hole in the material getting the arc
stabilized. All the modern high end machines will have that and more.
> That said an oxygen/acetylene torch will build a Piet just fine. The
smallest Victor would be my preference. I own a Smith Airline that 65+
years old. It was my dad's. The torch was his last payday from Luscombe.
They went broke and told the employees to take the equipment they were
issued because there would be no money to pay them. He built engine mounts.
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| Subject: | Re: Tore Down my engine! |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Gardiner,
WOW! That's great... I'll take both!
Please call me at 832-326-2970, and we'll make arrangements to pay and ship.
Thanks,
Tom
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| From: | Fred Kim <frkim(at)msn.com> |
Thanks for all of the feedback.I will let you know what I decide and how it
works out.
Thanks againFred
> From: skipgadd(at)earthlink.net
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: TIG Welder
> Date: Sat=2C 16 Feb 2013 17:42:53 -0500
>
earthlink.net>
>
> Jerry=2C
> Very cool story about your father and his last "paycheck" from Luscombe.
> Skip
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
> > To:
> > Date: 2/14/2013 9:26:43 AM
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TIG Welder
> >
>
> >
> > Fred=2C
> > If you are planning on welding a lot of thin aluminum plan on one of t
he
> better machines that have high frequency arc stabilization. I am not
> "current" on the new breed of tig machines. Mine is a 1980 Miller Gold St
ar
> 300 which cost me $3000 back then. It has an amperage start control and a
> ramp up control so you don't blow a hole in the material getting the arc
> stabilized. All the modern high end machines will have that and more.
> > That said an oxygen/acetylene torch will build a Piet just fine. The
> smallest Victor would be my preference. I own a Smith Airline that 65+
> years old. It was my dad's. The torch was his last payday from Luscombe.
> They went broke and told the employees to take the equipment they were
> issued because there would be no money to pay them. He built engine mount
s.
>
>
>
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>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Front seat flying, pax in rear |
I have installed a bar up there exactly parallel to
the pilot's one. Just seemed to make sense to me.
One thing I did find was that the rudder didn't
stop before running into the elevators. I've added
stops to the main bar so that the rudder now will
stop a half inch away from the elevators.
Clif
>
> The issues we found, and one the very hard way, is the stock rudder pedal
> geometry is not so great for ground handling. My son has lots of flying
> and landing from the front, I've only got a few take offs and landings
> from there, and it's generally ok, but uncomfortable, somewhat unnerving,
> it wasn't until the last flight we learned that because you're so on top
> of the pedals, you can pretty easily overcenter one and lay it flat on the
> floor...
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
Well, I have started working on the Piet! As y'all know this was a flying plane.
It has a Piper cub landing gear.
My first project is putting the heel brakes and cable back onto the plane. (they
are obviously on the wheels.)
How did y'all put spacers under the heel brake so that it pivots?
How is the brake cable housing secured next to the heel brakes?
I need to make a hole for the cable to run out near the gear attach point. The
frame is recovered and the hole has not been made yet. What is the best way to
make this hole? Burn through and ?
How is the wire attached to the brake lever? there does not appear to be a hole
in the bolt on the brake lever?
Better yet, Who has some good photos on a web site of how they did it?
Sorry for the basic questions, I know how I would do it, but I am sure that someone
else has done it better.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Markle-? |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Markle's been Markled?!
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Steve
What kind of heal brakes are you referring to? What do they look like?
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brake cables
-->
Well, I have started working on the Piet! As y'all know this was a flying
plane. It has a Piper cub landing gear.
My first project is putting the heel brakes and cable back onto the plane.
(they are obviously on the wheels.)
How did y'all put spacers under the heel brake so that it pivots?
How is the brake cable housing secured next to the heel brakes?
I need to make a hole for the cable to run out near the gear attach point.
The frame is recovered and the hole has not been made yet. What is the best
way to make this hole? Burn through and ?
How is the wire attached to the brake lever? there does not appear to be a
hole in the bolt on the brake lever?
Better yet, Who has some good photos on a web site of how they did it?
Sorry for the basic questions, I know how I would do it, but I am sure that
someone else has done it better.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Brake cables |
On this plane the brakes are mechanical just like the ones on an Aeronca Champ.
The best description I can give is that from the pedal to the brake it is somewhat
similar in design to a hand brake on a bicycle. The Brake pedal does the same
as the lever you squeeze on a bicycle.
John Kuhfahl is coming out tomorrow to show me how they were in the plane when
he took them out and what he intended to do to put them back in.
I will get some photos.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Date: Sunday, February 17, 2013 11:07
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brake cables
>
> Steve
>
> What kind of heal brakes are you referring to? What do they look like?
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, Ca
> Westcoastpiet.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
> Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:34 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brake cables
>
> --> <
>
>
> Well, I have started working on the Piet! As y'all know this was a flying
> plane. It has a Piper cub landing gear.
>
> My first project is putting the heel brakes and cable back onto the plane.
> (they are obviously on the wheels.)
>
> How did y'all put spacers under the heel brake so that it pivots?
> How is the brake cable housing secured next to the heel brakes?
> I need to make a hole for the cable to run out near the gear attach point.
> The frame is recovered and the hole has not been made yet. What is the best
> way to make this hole? Burn through and ?
> How is the wire attached to the brake lever? there does not appear to be a
> hole in the bolt on the brake lever?
>
> Better yet, Who has some good photos on a web site of how they did it?
>
> Sorry for the basic questions, I know how I would do it, but I am sure that
> someone else has done it better.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Put the painted tail together |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
Need to figure out where the cable exits are so I can cover the fuselage. Thought
it looks pretty good with the tail assembled.
--------
NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Put the painted tail together |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
very nice, Chris.
Cheers, Ken
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Chris Rusch wrote:
>
> Need to figure out where the cable exits are so I can cover the fuselage. Thought
it looks pretty good with the tail assembled.
>
> --------
> NX321LR
> Fully Assembled
> Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
> Wings covered and primed, one painted
> Mitsubishi Powered
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Put the painted tail together |
Looks very good.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Put the painted tail together |
| From: | "namrednos" <namrednos(at)yahoo.com> |
Looks great, what did you do to the rudder so that you could place the control
horns lower under the stabilizer. Also your horns are made different than standard,
could you share your design.
Scott
Ribs done
working on horiz/vert stab
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| Subject: | Re: Put the painted tail together |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
namrednos wrote:
> Looks great, what did you do to the rudder so that you could place the control
horns lower under the stabilizer. Also your horns are made different than standard,
could you share your design.
>
> Scott
> Ribs done
> working on horiz/vert stab
I used the plans from the UK pietenpol association. It seems easier to bolt on
the fittings this way, it makes covering easier without having to work around
the pre installed fittings. You do have to glue in reinforcing blocks where the
fittings go....In order to get the plans, you have to join there club and then
you can download them from their website. I hand picked which changes i wanted
to use, they have allot of pietenpol modifications.
Having the rudder horn under the elevator makes the cable route nice and straight.
As with any modification to the original design, it probably weighs slightly
more....
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NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Covering control horn bolts, yes or no |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
We discussed a few months ago and I couldn't find in the archives. I would rather
not cover my bolts with fabric, any ideas? Hold the horn in place with a 3/16
dowels while covering?
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
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| From: | Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net> |
http://www.henkekollektion.de/images/freelife.php?cvs
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An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made in a very narrow
field. (c) Niels Bohr
Frank Metcalfe
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Put the painted tail together |
Love it!
Jack Textor
Des Moines, IA
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Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 8:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Put the painted tail together
Need to figure out where the cable exits are so I can cover the fuselage.
Thought it looks pretty good with the tail assembled.
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Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Oh, I'm still here.... |
I haven't been "Markled".... lol
Even if I'm not making sawdust I can't make it through the day without my Pietenpol
Digest/fix!!
Have only had time to walk into the shop maybe twice in the last few months....my
employer has decided I need to work with another software package (job security!)
so I've spent the last few months working some long hours learning this
thing...just as well, as Mark Chouinard will tell you, it's been COLD around
here!!
Dreaming of Brodhead....
Jim in Pryor
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| Subject: | The Restorers, 10th Anniv. Edition |
| From: | woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com> |
I just pre-ordered this from Amazon. When you bring up the listing on Amazo
n, it says it stars Mike Cuy and some jokers who went to the moon....
We all know who really rates as far a getting top billing!
Matt Paxton
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Put the painted tail together |
Nice paint, Ken!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
Control horn bolts covered...per plans
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Put the painted tail together
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very nice, Chris.
Cheers, Ken
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Chris Rusch wrote:
> -->
>
> Need to figure out where the cable exits are so I can cover the fuselage.
Thought it looks pretty good with the tail assembled.
>
> --------
> NX321LR
> Fully Assembled
> Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
> Wings covered and primed, one painted
> Mitsubishi Powered
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394490#394490
>
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Put the painted tail together |
Sorry...that was meant for Chris....need a 3 second delay on [SEND]>
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Put the painted tail together
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Nice paint, Ken!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
Control horn bolts covered...per plans
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Put the painted tail together
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very nice, Chris.
Cheers, Ken
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Chris Rusch wrote:
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>
> Need to figure out where the cable exits are so I can cover the fuselage.
Thought it looks pretty good with the tail assembled.
>
> --------
> NX321LR
> Fully Assembled
> Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
> Wings covered and primed, one painted
> Mitsubishi Powered
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394490#394490
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_160.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_815.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Put the painted tail together |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Gary, thanks. But that is Chris' paint job. He's doing a beautiful
job. I wish I were at that point. As for me, I'm in the midst of rib
stitching. Ken
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> Sorry...that was meant for Chris....need a 3 second delay on [SEND]>
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 4:07 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Put the painted tail together
>
> -->
>
> Nice paint, Ken!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
> Control horn bolts covered...per plans
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 7:26 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Put the painted tail together
>
> -->
>
> very nice, Chris.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Chris Rusch wrote:
>> -->
>>
>> Need to figure out where the cable exits are so I can cover the fuselage.
> Thought it looks pretty good with the tail assembled.
>>
>> --------
>> NX321LR
>> Fully Assembled
>> Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
>> Wings covered and primed, one painted
>> Mitsubishi Powered
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394490#394490
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_160.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_815.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Put the painted tail together |
I was going to comment on his choice of elevator control cable...but,
Hey!....it's 'experimental' aviation....
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Put the painted tail together
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Gary, thanks. But that is Chris' paint job. He's doing a beautiful job. I
wish I were at that point. As for me, I'm in the midst of rib stitching.
Ken
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> -->
>
> Sorry...that was meant for Chris....need a 3 second delay on [SEND]>
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
> Boothe
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 4:07 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Put the painted tail together
>
> -->
>
> Nice paint, Ken!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
> Control horn bolts covered...per plans
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken
> Bickers
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 7:26 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Put the painted tail together
>
> -->
>
> very nice, Chris.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Chris Rusch
wrote:
>> -->
>>
>> Need to figure out where the cable exits are so I can cover the fuselage.
> Thought it looks pretty good with the tail assembled.
>>
>> --------
>> NX321LR
>> Fully Assembled
>> Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
>> Wings covered and primed, one painted Mitsubishi Powered
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394490#394490
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_160.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_815.jpg
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Steve,
You can see more pics at www.westcoastpiet.com. My heel brakes fit under the
front seat and are easily contacted.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brake cables
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Well, I have started working on the Piet! As y'all know this was a flying
plane. It has a Piper cub landing gear.
My first project is putting the heel brakes and cable back onto the plane.
(they are obviously on the wheels.)
How did y'all put spacers under the heel brake so that it pivots?
How is the brake cable housing secured next to the heel brakes?
I need to make a hole for the cable to run out near the gear attach point.
The frame is recovered and the hole has not been made yet. What is the best
way to make this hole? Burn through and ?
How is the wire attached to the brake lever? there does not appear to be a
hole in the bolt on the brake lever?
Better yet, Who has some good photos on a web site of how they did it?
Sorry for the basic questions, I know how I would do it, but I am sure that
someone else has done it better.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Brake cables |
OK, Today John K. came out and told me how they were attached before. There was
simply a plastic washer under the pivot hole (indicated with the pin) and it
was pinned with a pin and a cotter key. I was simply trying to make it more complex.
Attached are photos of the brake pedals. I am indicating the hole that is pinned
to pivot the pedal.
Any ideas on the best materiel for the washer?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Date: Sunday, February 17, 2013 11:07
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brake cables
>
> Steve
>
> What kind of heal brakes are you referring to? What do they look like?
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, Ca
> Westcoastpiet.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
> Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:34 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brake cables
>
> --> <
>
>
> Well, I have started working on the Piet! As y'all know this was a flying
> plane. It has a Piper cub landing gear.
>
> My first project is putting the heel brakes and cable back onto the plane.
> (they are obviously on the wheels.)
>
> How did y'all put spacers under the heel brake so that it pivots?
> How is the brake cable housing secured next to the heel brakes?
> I need to make a hole for the cable to run out near the gear attach point.
> The frame is recovered and the hole has not been made yet. What is the best
> way to make this hole? Burn through and ?
> How is the wire attached to the brake lever? there does not appear to be a
> hole in the bolt on the brake lever?
>
> Better yet, Who has some good photos on a web site of how they did it?
>
> Sorry for the basic questions, I know how I would do it, but I am sure that
> someone else has done it better.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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