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March 06, 2013 - March 25, 2013
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Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Building place..es |
| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Why not make (and give to the futuer bilders) something to say about the building
places we used to develope the project?.. I think the building place is something
very important to take in account before begin, and see some examples bigs
and smalls can give more determination to begin.. or not.
I saw very clean and big places, and others very smalls; it come to my mind the
one piece wing of Chuck Gantzer crossing two or three rooms, i don see it very
clear in the photos.
An extrem example is this one http://goo.gl/9qNbT
I am going to post some photos of mine, I start in a room over my parents house
garage, this place was unused, so I went there. There I build the fuselage and
the empanagge, when the fuselagge was quasi ready, we download it to the garage
below the room and I begin the first wing.. when the second wing was assambled
I lost this room for xx reason, so, I download one wing to the garage and
hang it over the fuse, and get the other wing to my home, and hang it to the
roof to make place for the car. and this is my actual situation, the fuse and
one wing in my parents garage and the other wing at home.
It's not very comfortable work at home, the space is very reduced, and permanently
are bikes, surfboards, grass cutter, etc going out and in.. but it's what
I have, and when I am angry about that, I saw the Taylor titch video..
anyway, just to kill time with a cofee in hand.
Reegards
--------
Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: carb heat muff |
On 3/6/2013 6:03 AM, Jack wrote:
>
> Rick very nice work and thank you for sharing the site! If I'm correct the
> air enters the oblong hole, is heated then diverted to the carb intake? Dose
> that heat enough to be effective?
>
> Jack Textor
> Des Moines, IA
>
Jack that is the airflow pattern. Once the carb heat is turned on, a
flapper on the carb air box closes off all intake air from the front of
the air box ( the normal intake) and opens the intake on the air box
side. This intake is connected to the carb heat muff by the short piece
of scat tubing. Rick Robbins supplies most of the cabin heat and carb
heat muffs for the Vans RV series aircraft. His standard carb heat muff
is a slot along the long axis of the muff (see attached photo). When I
talked to him about my corvair/Pietenpol installation he said that the
standard muff is not what is needed. The standard muff is for coweled
areas that are relatively calm as far as air turbulence, such as an RV.
Aircraft that have a turbulent coweled area such as Pietenpol need to
have a more restricted intake to improve the heat transfer. He said the
muff that I ordered actually works very well even on uncoweled aircraft
such as a Breezy. I asked Rick about wraping the exhaust pipe inside the
muff with a spiral wire to improve heat transfer. He stated that studies
have shown that there is no improvement in heat transfer with or
without. The muff as he has designed will be effective.
On a different note...I am finishing up my nose bowl today and the rest
of my aluminum for the engine cowl is on the UPS truck for delivery
today. As soon as my prop arrives I will be ready for first engine start.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Building place..es |
Mario, thank you for posting the pictures of your building and building space.
I feel like I have just enough room and I am building in a 2 car garage; big space
compared to yours.
Your work looks very good on your Piet; good building and don't drink too much
coffee.
Best,
Jim B.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Mario's photos of building |
Those were great photos Mario and it shows that if you had enough desire th
at you can build a Pietenpol if
you want one badly enough. I built most of my plane in my living room and
dining room when I lived in a Sear & Roebuck
kit farmhouse (built in the late 30's, delivered to the site by train) out
in the country.
I had a single car garage and with the wings and tailfeathers off I could f
it the entire airplane in my single car garage. Okay, the
crankshaft stuck thru the back window but 98% of it fit in the garage.
You are doing NICE work too Mario. What kind of engine do you think you wi
ll be using?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building place..es
-->
Why not make (and give to the futuer bilders) something to say about the bu
ilding places we used to develope the project?.. I think the building place
is something very important to take in account before begin, and see some
examples bigs and smalls can give more determination to begin.. or not.
I saw very clean and big places, and others very smalls; it come to my mind
the one piece wing of Chuck Gantzer crossing two or three rooms, i don see
it very clear in the photos.
An extrem example is this one http://goo.gl/9qNbT
I am going to post some photos of mine, I start in a room over my parents h
ouse garage, this place was unused, so I went there. There I build the fuse
lage and the empanagge, when the fuselagge was quasi ready, we download it
to the garage below the room and I begin the first wing.. when the second w
ing was assambled I lost this room for xx reason, so, I download one wing t
o the garage and hang it over the fuse, and get the other wing to my home,
and hang it to the roof to make place for the car. and this is my actual si
tuation, the fuse and one wing in my parents garage and the other wing at h
ome.
It's not very comfortable work at home, the space is very reduced, and perm
anently are bikes, surfboards, grass cutter, etc going out and in.. but it'
s what I have, and when I am angry about that, I saw the Taylor titch video
..
anyway, just to kill time with a cofee in hand.
Reegards
--------
Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: Building place..es |
| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
You are welcome, but, the idea with this post it to set a reference post about
"building places..". I never imagined the space the pieces would occupy; if i
had seen some examples or workplaces before.. may be I would have looked other
place.. I dont know. For us this post is an etreteinment, fo a newbe it could
be useful.
Post pictures of your places, like Michael did with him in the folowing post .
Regards.
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Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: Mario's photos of building |
| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
You where married when you did it? ;o))))
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Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: Building place..es |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Interesting idea, Mario.
I'm building in an unheated (except for a small plug-in space heater) 1 1/2 car
garage, but about 1/3 of the garage is filled with shelving, so it's effectively
only slightly larger than a single car garage. My initial building table
was the dining room table, which I set my rib jig on when I assembled my ribs.
It would be nice to have a bit more space, but, as you say, compared to that
Taylor Titch workspace, it's quite spacious. Attached are a few pictures that
show how cramped (and messy) my workspace is. I've got a tablesaw, and a mobile
work-cart on wheels that holds my drill press, scroll saw and belt/disc sander.
Bill C.
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Building place..es |
When I started to build my tailfeathers in Dec
of 99, my two car garage was already full of tools
and work benches including a 60 drawer library
index card beast with an added 2" thick top sporting
two handmade, lefthand cabinetry vises. I added a
four ft by fourteen foot low table down the opposite
side to build on. On page two of my site you'll see my
18 ft skin-on-frame kayak looming low over the fuselage. It took some time
to come to terms with finding a suitable place for that thing. Where? Corner
to corner under the
ceiling of my 12 ft living room. :-) . With all theother stuff in there it
quickly became apparentthat there would be
no way to add landing gear, cabanes, center section or even cowl and turtle
deck! Hmmm.... Oh...... yeah...
sure....So out in the garden it goes!
Now that I'm seriously preparing to build wings I
see that it's going to be logisticly interesting to work
up this 5 by 13 ft thing in there! :-)
Unfortunately I have somehow lost the ability to
upload my wysiwig programs pages so there's a
lot of stuff, like brakes, that's not on site. Yet.
http://www.clifdawson.ca/
Once there go to the right side and click on
"Pietenpol"
Clif
The farther one goes,
The less one knows.
Tao De Ching
> You are welcome, but, the idea with this post it to set a reference post
> about "building places..". I never imagined the space the pieces would
> occupy; if i had seen some examples or workplaces before.. may be I would
> have looked other place.. I dont know. For us this post is an
> etreteinment, fo a newbe it could be useful.
>
> Post pictures of your places, like Michael did with him in the folowing
> post .
>
> Regards.
>
> --------
> Mario Giacummo
> Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
> Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Building place..es |
Mario great idea. My shop is a lower level family room and garage when
needed. My wife said if I was going to build a plane it had to be at home.
The 16 by 4 foot table has been a blessing. It will be removed when the Piet
is on the gear. I have all the tools needed, sanders, drill presses, band
saws, mill sand blaster, routers, in the lower level. My table saw, lathe
and welders are in the garage. It's roomy but packed with airplane parts,
tools, vacuums and tool boxes. I usually move something to have room to
fart. Not many pictures of just the shop but attached are a couple. I have
my name in for a hangar at the Des Moines airport because the smaller field
north of Des Moines I planned to use was closed.
Jack Textor
Des Moines, IA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 12:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building place..es
Why not make (and give to the futuer bilders) something to say about the
building places we used to develope the project?.. I think the building
place is something very important to take in account before begin, and see
some examples bigs and smalls can give more determination to begin.. or not.
I saw very clean and big places, and others very smalls; it come to my mind
the one piece wing of Chuck Gantzer crossing two or three rooms, i don see
it very clear in the photos.
An extrem example is this one http://goo.gl/9qNbT
I am going to post some photos of mine, I start in a room over my parents
house garage, this place was unused, so I went there. There I build the
fuselage and the empanagge, when the fuselagge was quasi ready, we download
it to the garage below the room and I begin the first wing.. when the second
wing was assambled I lost this room for xx reason, so, I download one wing
to the garage and hang it over the fuse, and get the other wing to my home,
and hang it to the roof to make place for the car. and this is my actual
situation, the fuse and one wing in my parents garage and the other wing at
home.
It's not very comfortable work at home, the space is very reduced, and
permanently are bikes, surfboards, grass cutter, etc going out and in.. but
it's what I have, and when I am angry about that, I saw the Taylor titch
video..
anyway, just to kill time with a cofee in hand.
Reegards
--------
Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
I just finished up my nose bowl and I am getting ready to do the engine
cowl for my Corvair powered Piet. I am basically following the plans
posted by Hans van der Voort, but I am unsure of a couple of points.
First of all is it OK to just use wood screws to mount the mounting tabs
on the firewall? Secondly, I understand how the panels and nosebowl all
fit together, but what is the purpose of the side strips on the plans
(see attachment)? I am using the standard William Wynne motor mount. Are
these side strips used to attach the cowl to the motor mount or are they
just stiffeners? Are there any attachments of the side panels other than
to the top cowl, firewall and nose bowl?
If anyone has picture of their installation it would sure help me out.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | cowl attach tabs |
Rick,
I used stainless truss head wood screws to screw my cowling attach tabs to
the firewall. They screwed thru the thin 1/8" firewall
and then into the fuselage framework on the sides and bottom. On the top I
glued 'backing' plywood squares to the backside of
the firewall so the screws would have more depth to bite into on those uppe
r tabs. Worked like a charm.
According to the Tony Bingelis books, cowlings should never be attached to
the motor in any way because of engine vibration
and shake, especially during start up and shutdown. Canteliever the whole
thing off of the firewall and you will get long life out
of your cowling. I know some might be getting tired of me mentioning my
Uncle Tony but he has some outstanding advice on
cowling design and attachments and he saved me a TON of weight up there.
I'm often time surprised at how battleship-like some
cowling attachment methods are when they don't have to be.
Mike C.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | totally and completely off-topic (kind of) |
Hey all,
Completely and totally off-topic, but.
For anyone interested, Marci and I are going to host a ten-year-old
Ukrainian Orphan this summer to give him a break from the grim existence of
an eastern European orphanage. Our aim is to just love on him, let him
experience a (fairly) normal family life, get some English going ( a BIG
help over there) and to give him some unique experiences.
We PLAN on bringing him to Brodhead to camp with us. Hopefully I'll be
flying and Marci will be driving, so he'll ride with her and will hopefully
have a great time.
We pay the expenses to bring him over, and if anyone is into helping out
with this sort of thing, the link is below.
http://www.active.com/donate/summer2013/Viktor
God Bless!
Douwe
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim |
The bird I bought had a "shim" of plywood inserted under the front of the horizontal
stabilizer. I have discussed this with John K and we are both inclined to
leave it out and see what the initial test runs inidcate.
What thinketh the coffee klatch?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Saturday, March 2, 2013 18:19
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Offset and Trim
>
> Picture is worth a thousand words, I guess. Here's a pic showing my vertical
stabilizer offset (about 1/2") and another showing the washers
> on the top two engine mount points. This doesn't say much because
> everybody seems to be making their mounts differently, but the
> point is that downthrust and offset to the right really helped
> Scout get to a nearly hands- and feet-off cruise trim condition.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | off topic---another great video ruined by music |
Well this is totally off-topic so forgive the intrusion good people but am
I the only one who would
rather hear the sound of this gorgeous Rolls-Royce Merlin engine than heari
ng Marvin Gaye singing
"Let's Get it On" ?
Listen to how incredible this engine sounds (not to mention the beautiful s
moke system) until the guy
ruins it at the 25 second mark. I know, I know.....it is his video and h
e can exercise whatever artistic
talent he wishes but to me this is like putting whipped cream on an onion.
Mike C.
http://vimeo.com/53765837
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: off topic---another great video ruined by music |
Never fear my brother!- Here is a clip that I believe will help. It is an
outstanding film showcasing some really great AC...all flying...no music.
I agree Mike, a lot of videos are ruined with music, mostly when covering u
p a nice large radial engine at idle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV7nFXhL8QY
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
=0A
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim |
Hi Steve,
The horizontal stabilizer on my Piet has a gap at the front also and I was
=C2-planning on adding a shim of plywood there to help make the front of
the stabilizer less able to be vibrating up and down at that point.
Jim B.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | off topic---another great video ruined by music |
Now THAT Mike P. I could listen to ALL day long!
Great video-great airplanes, thank you for the link!!!
Mike C.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: off topic---another great video ruined by musi
c
Never fear my brother! Here is a clip that I believe will help. It is an o
utstanding film showcasing some really great AC...all flying...no music.
I agree Mike, a lot of videos are ruined with music, mostly when covering u
p a nice large radial engine at idle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV7nFXhL8QY
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com<http://www.karetakeraero.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hans can correct me if I'm wrong. He's the engineer. Yes, I believe the side
strips are for stiffening. I didn't install the strips initially and ended up
adding them later when I started getting little annoying cracks.
I used Hans' method for attaching the cowl, similar to what Mike Cuy posted: little
aluminum tabs cut out of 90 degree angle. Attached them through the firewall
into the fuselage structure with wood screws. Attached the cowl to the tabs
using clip nuts. I routinely checked the security of the wood screws and
they would get loose occasionally. I'd put a dab of JB Weld in the hole to help
secure them.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
No correction needed, thats what they are for.=0AI recommend stainless stee
l wood screws with a dap of epoxy to prevent loosening and to seal the wood
.=0ACheck at every annual.=0A-=0AHans=0A-=0ANX 15KV=0AWaller, TX=0A =0A
=0A________________________________=0A From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.a
rmy.mil>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, March 7, 201
3 10:39 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowl=0A =0A--> Pietenpol
-List message posted by: "kevinpurtee" =0A=0AHans
can correct me if I'm wrong.- He's the engineer.- Yes, I believe the s
ide strips are for stiffening.- I didn't install the strips initially and
ended up adding them later when I started getting little annoying cracks.
=0A=0AI used Hans' method for attaching the cowl, similar to what Mike Cuy
posted: little aluminum tabs cut out of 90 degree angle.- Attached them t
hrough the firewall into the fuselage structure with wood screws.- Attach
ed the cowl to the tabs using clip nuts.- I routinely checked the securit
y of the wood screws and they would get loose occasionally.- I'd put a da
b of JB Weld in the hole to help secure them.=0A=0A--------=0AKevin "A
xel" Purtee=0ARebuilding NX899KP=0AAustin/San Marcos, TX=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Adm
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
On 3/7/2013 11:02 AM, Hans van der Voort wrote:
> No correction needed, thats what they are for.
> I recommend stainless steel wood screws with a dap of epoxy to prevent
> loosening and to seal the wood.
> Check at every annual.
> Hans
> NX 15KV
> Waller, TX
>
Thanks Hans, Kevin and Mike for the reply's. I think I have it under
control now.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
Hans , I have a question about the cowling. I have a 5th bearing on the
front of my engine. Would I need to modify the dimentions of your cowl
to use with the 5th bearing? Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans van der Voort
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowl
No correction needed, thats what they are for.
I recommend stainless steel wood screws with a dap of epoxy to prevent
loosening and to seal the wood.
Check at every annual.
Hans
NX 15KV
Waller, TX
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 10:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowl
Hans can correct me if I'm wrong. He's the engineer. Yes, I believe
the side strips are for stiffening. I didn't install the strips
initially and ended up adding them later when I started getting little
annoying cracks.
I used Hans' method for attaching the cowl, similar to what Mike Cuy
posted: little aluminum tabs cut out of 90 degree angle. Attached them
through the firewall into the fuselage structure with wood screws.
Attached the cowl to the tabs using clip nuts. I routinely checked the
security of the wood screws and they would get loose occasionally. I'd
put a dab of JB Weld in the hole to help secure them.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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nbsp; -Matt
Dralle,===========
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
What dimensions? I don't see any.
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Right. What John said.
Chuck - You'll get your dimensions from your particular installation, once you
have the engine mounted.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
Chuck,=0A-=0AMy installation does not use a 5th bearing and I do not know
if-a 5th bearing design changes any of the Engine dimensions.=0AHowever
-each installation is different, motor mount might be longer or shorter,
and you will have to make the required schanges as needed for your installa
tion.=0A-=0AHans=0ANX15KV=0AWaller, TX=0A =0A=0A_________________________
_______=0A From: C N Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-l
ist(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:39 PM=0ASubject: Re:
Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowl=0A =0A=0A =0AHans , I have a question ab
out the cowling.- I =0Ahave a 5th bearing on the front of my engine.- W
ould I need to modify the =0Adimentions of your cowl to use with the 5th be
aring?- Chuck =0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: Hans van der Vo
ort =0A>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0A>Sent: Thursday, March 07, 20
13 12:02 PM =0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowl =0A>=0A>
=0A>No correction needed, thats what they are for. =0A>I recommend stainles
s steel wood screws with a dap of epoxy to prevent loosening and to seal t
he wood. =0A>Check at every annual. =0A>- =0A>Hans =0A>- =0A>NX 15KV
=0A>Waller, TX =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>From: k
evinpurtee =0A>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
=0A>Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 10:39 AM=0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re:
Corvair cowl=0A>=0A>--> Pietenpol-List =0A message posted by: "kevinpurte
e" =0A>=0A>Hans =0A can correct me if I'm wrong.
- He's the engineer.- Yes, I believe the =0A side strips are for stiff
ening.- I didn't install the strips initially =0A and ended up adding th
em later when I started getting little annoying cracks. =0A>=0A>I used Hans
' method for attaching the cowl, similar to what Mike Cuy =0A posted: litt
le aluminum tabs cut out of 90 degree angle.- Attached them =0A through
the firewall into the fuselage structure with wood screws.- =0A Attached
the cowl to the tabs using clip nuts.- I routinely checked the =0A secu
rity of the wood screws and they would get loose occasionally.- I'd =0A
put a dab of JB Weld in the hole to help secure them.=0A>=0A>--------=0A>Ke
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| Subject: | Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Mine also has a natural gap there that needs to be filled with plywood. The
gap is formed because the "spar" in the horizontal stab is thicker than th
e leading edge. It is REQUIRED.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:17 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim
Hi Steve,
The horizontal stabilizer on my Piet has a gap at the front also and I was
planning on adding a shim of plywood there to help make the front of the st
abilizer less able to be vibrating up and down at that point.
Jim B.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Steve Dortch's actual question was...... |
>
The bird I bought had a "shim" of plywood inserted under the front of the h
orizontal stabilizer. I have discussed this with John K and we are both inc
lined to leave it out and see what the initial test runs inidcate.
Steve-- My guess is that since the front end of your stabilizer was shimmed
up a bit that it was to correct a tail-heavy hands-off flight situation by
deflecting
the air slightly down and thus raising the tail. I would compare your we
ight with the weight of the gentleman who flew the plane last and if compar
able I
would leave the shim under the front of the stabilizer. If you leave the
shim out you may have to hold forward stick in level flight.
Mike C.
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Steve Dortch's actual question was...... |
Steve-- My guess is that since the front end of your stabilizer was shimmed
up a bit that it was to correct a tail-heavy hands-off flight situation by
deflecting
the air slightly down and thus raising the tail.=C2-
Hi Dan and Mike,
Mike I hadn't thought of that but you could definitely be right; Piets tend
to be tail heavy.
I think Dan and I were both responding due to differences in thickness of s
tab spar versus leading edge that you needed to shim up the leading edge.
Thanks for the additional information; Shouldn't leap at first conclusions.
Thanks,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
When all else fails, refer to the plans...
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | to shim or not to shim, that is the question... |
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim |
Now Bill......don't go confusing us with the facts...... :) !
Great post.
Mike C.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 4:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
OK, Hans. Thanks, I wasn't thinking about the possible difference in
the engine mount length. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans van der Voort
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowl
Chuck,
My installation does not use a 5th bearing and I do not know if a 5th
bearing design changes any of the Engine dimensions.
However each installation is different, motor mount might be longer or
shorter, and you will have to make the required schanges as needed for
your installation.
Hans
NX15KV
Waller, TX
From: C N Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowl
Hans , I have a question about the cowling. I have a 5th bearing on
the front of my engine. Would I need to modify the dimentions of your
cowl to use with the 5th bearing? Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans van der Voort
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowl
No correction needed, thats what they are for.
I recommend stainless steel wood screws with a dap of epoxy to
prevent loosening and to seal the wood.
Check at every annual.
Hans
NX 15KV
Waller, TX
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 10:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowl
Hans can correct me if I'm wrong. He's the engineer. Yes, I
believe the side strips are for stiffening. I didn't install the strips
initially and ended up adding them later when I started getting little
annoying cracks.
I used Hans' method for attaching the cowl, similar to what Mike Cuy
posted: little aluminum tabs cut out of 90 degree angle. Attached them
through the firewall into the fuselage structure with wood screws.
Attached the cowl to the tabs using clip nuts. I routinely checked the
security of the wood screws and they would get loose occasionally. I'd
put a dab of JB Weld in the hole to help secure them.
--------
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Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim |
Ah com'on Bill; I'm at work and don't have the plans here. I am sure I would have
seen that comment on the plans!
A good thing you do read them for the rest of us.
thanks,
Jim B.
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim |
I guess I've looked at those plans at least a hundred times and hadn't
seen that note before. Ditto what Jim said. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Boyer
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim
Ah com'on Bill; I'm at work and don't have the plans here. I am sure I
would have seen that comment on the plans!
A good thing you do read them for the rest of us.
thanks,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I must (sheepishly) also admit that I never saw that comment on the plans e
ither. But that being said, in G.R.'s absence, I will remind you all, that
I was correct. It is REQUIRED.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: C N Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Sent: Thu, Mar 7, 2013 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim
I guess I've looked at those plans at least a hundred times and hadn't seen
that note before. Ditto what Jim said. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Boyer
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Offset and Trim OT horizontal shim
Ah com'on Bill; I'm at work and don't have the plans here. I am sure I wo
uld have seen that comment on the plans!
A good thing you do read them for the rest of us.
thanks,
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Sky Scout fuselage |
I have a young friend who is building a Ford powered Sky Scout along
with his father. I was asked a question by them the other night that I
can't answer. The plans in the 1933 Flying and Glider annual list one
fuselage length and the plans from the Pietenpol family lists another.
They were wondering what the correct length is. I know the reasons for
the different fuselage lengths on the Air Camper but I don't know what
everyone is using on the Sky Scout. Is the longer fuselage for the
lighter Continental powered ships? I think the shorter fuselage was for
the Ford powered ship, but I could be wrong.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sky Scout fuselage |
On 3/7/2013 9:22 PM, Rick Schreiber wrote:
>
>
> I have a young friend who is building a Ford powered Sky Scout along
> with his father. I was asked a question by them the other night that I
> can't answer. The plans in the 1933 Flying and Glider annual list one
> fuselage length and the plans from the Pietenpol family lists another.
> They were wondering what the correct length is. I know the reasons for
> the different fuselage lengths on the Air Camper but I don't know what
> everyone is using on the Sky Scout. Is the longer fuselage for the
> lighter Continental powered ships? I think the shorter fuselage was
> for the Ford powered ship, but I could be wrong.
>
> Rick Schreiber
> Valparaiso, IN
>
>
I should proof read before I send!!! Long fuselage for heavy Ford
engine, short length for lighter engines.
Rick S
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| Subject: | Re: Sky Scout fuselage |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Rick,
I've only seen the FGM version of the Sky Scout plans, so this is only speculation,
but I doubt that the other version is drawn to suit the lighter Continental
engines. I bet the plans he got from the Pietenpol family were drawn before
the Continental engines were even built. My guess is that the differences are
akin to the difference between the FGM version and the Orrin Hoopman version
of the Air Camper plans. The Hoopman plans are identified as the "improved"
Air Camper, which gives a little bit more room for pilot and passenger. I would
suggest checking the dates on both sets of plans, and go with the later version
(most likely the plans from the Pietenpol family).
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
| From: | "caldwrl" <caldwrl(at)etex.net> |
Rick,
It appears we are at a similar phase. I too, have just completed my nose bowl
and have been fitting cardboard patterns to it the last few sessions in the hanger.
I built in flanges on my sheet steel firewall, so I will try to use that
as my attachment system. I may have to add the angle tabs as backups. I am
not satisfied with my placement of the intake on the nose bowl so I am considering
a mod that will use a framed opening to cover the one I molded in. Purely
and aesthetic thing. I am attaching a couple of images that show my work to
date. Also an image that shows my intended change to the intake. I plan to
make the intake functional, but will need to route the flow back to the carb
via a scat tube arrangement TBD. I was fortunate to be able to stop off at Han's
home and discuss his build. I am also attaching an image I took while there...
I'm sure Hans won't mind. Feel free to contact me off line if you would
like to expand on any facet of this subject and I will do the same. I would
like to see pics of your progress... thanks in advance.
--------
Robert Caldwell
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| Subject: | Oil Temp & Pressure Gages |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Guys,
I'm collecting stuff for my engine, and I would like input on the type of gages
to add for Oil Temp & Pressure. I've seen many panels using the tubing type
gages, but not many (or any?) using electrical gages with senders. Since I will
have a full electrical system, I can use either. There have heard some horror
stories about having a leak in the cockpit, and that's one concern with the
tubing type, and maybe the weight factor is something else to consider...
Not sure which to go for... So, let your voices be heard. What are the experiences
ya'll have had with gages?
--------
Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Temp & Pressure Gages |
| From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Mine are all electric...Corvair power.
Gary Boothe
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 8, 2013, at 1:07 PM, "tkreiner" wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> I'm collecting stuff for my engine, and I would like input on the type of gages
to add for Oil Temp & Pressure. I've seen many panels using the tubing type
gages, but not many (or any?) using electrical gages with senders. Since I
will have a full electrical system, I can use either. There have heard some horror
stories about having a leak in the cockpit, and that's one concern with
the tubing type, and maybe the weight factor is something else to consider...
>
> Not sure which to go for... So, let your voices be heard. What are the experiences
ya'll have had with gages?
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395903#395903
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Temp & Pressure Gages |
| From: | "bradandlinda tds.net" <bradandlinda(at)tds.net> |
Tom, I have an old oil/water gauge that reads between 32 and 212 F. Ilove
it because it shows lower temps in cool wx so I know how the warming up is
going. Many new aircraft have gauges that start at 160F. This is stupid.
On aircooled/open cowled engines you may never see the needle come off the
peg until you are in climb or cruise on a warm day! Brad Williams NX29NX
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 3:07 PM, tkreiner wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> I'm collecting stuff for my engine, and I would like input on the type of
> gages to add for Oil Temp & Pressure. I've seen many panels using the
> tubing type gages, but not many (or any?) using electrical gages with
> senders. Since I will have a full electrical system, I can use either.
> There have heard some horror stories about having a leak in the cockpit,
> and that's one concern with the tubing type, and maybe the weight factor is
> something else to consider...
>
> Not sure which to go for... So, let your voices be heard. What are the
> experiences ya'll have had with gages?
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395903#395903
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Temp & Pressure Gages |
| From: | Rick <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
Tom,
Mine are all electric, VDO gauges. I am still a month or so from 1st engine start
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 8, 2013, at 3:07 PM, "tkreiner" wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> I'm collecting stuff for my engine, and I would like input on the type of gages
to add for Oil Temp & Pressure. I've seen many panels using the tubing type
gages, but not many (or any?) using electrical gages with senders. Since I
will have a full electrical system, I can use either. There have heard some horror
stories about having a leak in the cockpit, and that's one concern with
the tubing type, and maybe the weight factor is something else to consider...
>
> Not sure which to go for... So, let your voices be heard. What are the experiences
ya'll have had with gages?
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395903#395903
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Gardiner <airlion2(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
Robert, I like your cowl. Do you have front starter and alternator ?
Cheers, Gardiner Mason.
On 3/8/2013 9:42 AM, caldwrl wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> It appears we are at a similar phase. I too, have just completed my nose bowl
and have been fitting cardboard patterns to it the last few sessions in the
hanger. I built in flanges on my sheet steel firewall, so I will try to use that
as my attachment system. I may have to add the angle tabs as backups. I
am not satisfied with my placement of the intake on the nose bowl so I am considering
a mod that will use a framed opening to cover the one I molded in. Purely
and aesthetic thing. I am attaching a couple of images that show my work
to date. Also an image that shows my intended change to the intake. I plan
to make the intake functional, but will need to route the flow back to the carb
via a scat tube arrangement TBD. I was fortunate to be able to stop off at
Han's home and discuss his build. I am also attaching an image I took while there...
I'm sure Hans won't mind. Feel free to contact me off line if you would
like to expand on any facet of this subject and I w!
> ill do the same. I would like to see pics of your progress... thanks in advance.
>
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> Robert Caldwell
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Temp & Pressure Gages |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
All electric. Worked well.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Robert,
Now that is a great looking Corvair cowl.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: caldwrl <caldwrl(at)etex.net>
Sent: Fri, Mar 8, 2013 8:43 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowl
Rick,
It appears we are at a similar phase. I too, have just completed my nose b
owl
and have been fitting cardboard patterns to it the last few sessions in the
hanger. I built in flanges on my sheet steel firewall, so I will try to us
e
that as my attachment system. I may have to add the angle tabs as backups.
I
am not satisfied with my placement of the intake on the nose bowl so I am
considering a mod that will use a framed opening to cover the one I molded
in.
Purely and aesthetic thing. I am attaching a couple of images that show my
work
to date. Also an image that shows my intended change to the intake. I pla
n to
make the intake functional, but will need to route the flow back to the car
b via
a scat tube arrangement TBD. I was fortunate to be able to stop off at Han
's
home and discuss his build. I am also attaching an image I took while ther
e...
I'm sure Hans won't mind. Feel free to contact me off line if you would li
ke to
expand on any facet of this subject and I w!
ill do the same. I would like to see pics of your progress... thanks in
advance.
--------
Robert Caldwell
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Robert very nice looking cowl, gear, everything! What are the bolts in the f
ront center section?
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Mar 8, 2013, at 5:17 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Robert,
>
> Now that is a great looking Corvair cowl.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: caldwrl <caldwrl(at)etex.net>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Fri, Mar 8, 2013 8:43 am
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair cowl
>
>
> Rick,
>
> It appears we are at a similar phase. I too, have just completed my nose b
owl
> and have been fitting cardboard patterns to it the last few sessions in th
e
> hanger. I built in flanges on my sheet steel firewall, so I will try to u
se
> that as my attachment system. I may have to add the angle tabs as backups
. I
> am not satisfied with my placement of the intake on the nose bowl so I am
> considering a mod that will use a framed opening to cover the one I molded
in.
> Purely and aesthetic thing. I am attaching a couple of images that show m
y work
> to date. Also an image that shows my intended change to the intake. I pl
an to
> make the intake functional, but will need to route the flow back to the ca
rb via
> a scat tube arrangement TBD. I was fortunate to be able to stop off at Ha
n's
> home and discuss his build. I am also attaching an image I took while the
re...
> I'm sure Hans won't mind. Feel free to contact me off line if you would l
ike to
> expand on any facet of this subject and I w!
> ill do the same. I would like to see pics of your progress... thanks in
> advance.
>
> --------
> Robert Caldwell
>
>
>
>
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>
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Jim Boyer's 1st start-up |
Jim,
Here's a You Tube link: http://youtu.be/uBEtPuWBTjI
It was a great day, but I had your 9/16" wrench in my back pocket! I feel so
Markle-esk....
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim Boyer's 1st start-up |
On 3/8/2013 9:25 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> Here's a You Tube link: http://youtu.be/uBEtPuWBTjI
>
> It was a great day, but I had your 9/16" wrench in my back pocket! I feel so
> Markle-esk....
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
Congratulations Jim!!!! Its got to be a great feeling, even if it cost
you a wrench.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
On 3/8/2013 8:42 AM, caldwrl wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> It appears we are at a similar phase. I too, have just completed my nose bowl
and have been fitting cardboard patterns to it the last few sessions in the
hanger. I built in flanges on my sheet steel firewall, so I will try to use that
as my attachment system. I may have to add the angle tabs as backups. I
am not satisfied with my placement of the intake on the nose bowl so I am considering
a mod that will use a framed opening to cover the one I molded in. Purely
and aesthetic thing. I am attaching a couple of images that show my work
to date. Also an image that shows my intended change to the intake. I plan
to make the intake functional, but will need to route the flow back to the carb
via a scat tube arrangement TBD. I was fortunate to be able to stop off at
Han's home and discuss his build. I am also attaching an image I took while there...
I'm sure Hans won't mind. Feel free to contact me off line if you would
like to expand on any facet of this subject and I w!
> ill do the same. I would like to see pics of your progress... thanks in advance.
>
> --------
> Robert Caldwell
>
>
Very nice looking job Robert. I was going to do my nosebowl in
fiberglass, but I thought it would be easier in aluminum. Yours is quite
impressive. I'm getting ready to cut patterns tomorrow. I will post some
photos soon.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Boyer's 1st start-up |
| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
Congrats Jim!!!! Having it running is a great feeling as it seems to make it
a living creature. It's alive!
Mike Groah
On Mar 8, 2013, at 7:25 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> Here's a You Tube link: http://youtu.be/uBEtPuWBTjI
>
> It was a great day, but I had your 9/16" wrench in my back pocket! I feel so
> Markle-esk....
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim Boyer's 1st start-up |
Congratulations, Jim! Thought maybe your wife would be in the front seat? Your
plane really looks great, good progress since I last saw it. Great workmanship!
Ryan Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 8, 2013, at 7:25 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> Here's a You Tube link: http://youtu.be/uBEtPuWBTjI
>
> It was a great day, but I had your 9/16" wrench in my back pocket! I feel so
> Markle-esk....
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
| From: | "caldwrl" <caldwrl(at)etex.net> |
Gardner,
Yes, I have a front starter and alternator (dynamo) per the typical William Wynne
setup. Very happy with it so far. Han's cowl design covers the starter quite
nicely.
Jack,
The bolts I think you are referencing in center section are across the bottom of
both spars to secure the fore an aft fuel tank supports. The supports are composed
of a 1" sq. wood piece and a 3/4" alum. angle ( I notched the rear support
in the center for the fuel take off point. the front support is continuous).
I am attaching a pic of the aft support.
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Robert Caldwell
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| From: | JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com> |
Hans,
I really liked the look of the cowl. Do you have a drawing with dimensions available?
I looks cleaner than most I have seen.
Thanks
Joe Swithin
Morris, IL
Hunting & Gathering Mode
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| From: | JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com> |
Rick,
I' am not to far from you and would like to see your project and the first run
if possible. Please let me know if this is acceptable.
Joe Swithin
Morris, IL
Hunting & Gathering Mode
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim Boyer's 1st start-up |
HI Gary,
Thanks again for coming over and helping get the engine ready for starting. I thought
there was a wrench missing but couldn't figure out where.
Thanks for putting the video on U tube; don't know how to do that. The computer
said the video was too long to send the whole thing so you all got a short clip
of the video.
Cheers,
Jim
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim Boyer's 1st start-up |
Thanks Rick, it is neat to finally have it running and fortunately 9/16 wrenches
aren't that expensive.
Cheers,
Jim
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim Boyer's 1st start-up |
Hi Mike,
It is nice to have it running even if I have minor problems to fix; rocker arm
oil leak on right side. Now on to priming and painting and wings.
Cheers,
Jim
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim Boyer's 1st start-up |
Thanks Ray; no Arlene took a run down to pick up some stuff at the drug store and
when she got back we were just shutting it down.
Gary told me you broke your hip; sorry to hear that and hope you are up and around
soon. I thought the guys were coming up to see you but Gary said no you had
gotten hurt.
Get well soon.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowl |
| From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Robert,
Your cowling looks great...personalized and aesthetic! Well done, buddy!
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 9, 2013, at 4:27 AM, "caldwrl" wrote:
>
> Gardner,
>
> Yes, I have a front starter and alternator (dynamo) per the typical William Wynne
setup. Very happy with it so far. Han's cowl design covers the starter
quite nicely.
>
> Jack,
>
> The bolts I think you are referencing in center section are across the bottom
of both spars to secure the fore an aft fuel tank supports. The supports are
composed of a 1" sq. wood piece and a 3/4" alum. angle ( I notched the rear support
in the center for the fuel take off point. the front support is continuous).
I am attaching a pic of the aft support.
>
> --------
> Robert Caldwell
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395923#395923
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Boyer's 1st start-up |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Congrats, Jim.
What an exciting day for you.
By the way, your paint job looks a little rough. :)
Bill C.
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim Boyer's 1st start-up |
Hi Bill,
Just got out of the garage this morning from painting it a medium gray color; not
saying what the final paint job may be but who knows it might end up anothe
black and something Piet!
The paint job at first engine start was a little on the weird side, have to admit
it.
It really is a great feeling to see and hear it run...finally.
Thanks,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Boyer's 1st start-up |
| From: | Robert Bush <rbush96589(at)aol.com> |
Congrats Jim, it's a good feeling to here that corvair run on your plane is
n't it.wont be long now until you and your wife will be enjoying flights aro
und the California country side.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 9, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> Just got out of the garage this morning from painting it a medium gray col
or; not saying what the final paint job may be but who knows it might end up
anothe black and something Piet!
>
> The paint job at first engine start was a little on the weird side, have t
o admit it.
>
>
>
> It really is a great feeling to see and hear it run...finally.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim B.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim Boyer's 1st start-up |
Yes, Jim. Broke my hip exactly 6weeks ago, but have been flying for the pas
t three weeks. Just short flights, but it is still lying!
Your plane looks beautiful. Guess I had better quit building mine, all you g
uys are putting me to shame!
I will be going to the EAA Workshop for fabric covering in Watsonville on Ma
rch 23-24. Hope what I learn will help me do as nice a Job as you have one.
Maybe I will have to take lessons from you and Gary.
Thanks,
Ray
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 9, 2013, at 7:54 AM, Jim Boyer wrote:
> Thanks Ray; no Arlene took a run down to pick up some stuff at the drug st
ore and when she got back we were just shutting it down.
>
>
>
> Gary told me you broke your hip; sorry to hear that and hope you are up an
d around soon. I thought the guys were coming up to see you but Gary said no
you had gotten hurt.
>
> Get well soon.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim Boyer's 1st start-up |
So happy to see the great progress Jim!!! Looks like you are going the lat
ex finish route. Sure is easier and less expensive. They say it is easier
to repair as well. Looks like you will be flying by west coast Piet time
in June but may not have the 40 flown off to make the trip. Good for you!
!!
Vic NX414MV
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jim Boyer's 1st start-up
From: rbush96589(at)aol.com
Date: Sat=2C 9 Mar 2013 16:37:10 -0600
Congrats Jim=2C it's a good feeling to here that corvair run on your plane
isn't it.wont be long now until you and your wife will be enjoying flights
around the California country side.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 9=2C 2013=2C at 1:59 PM=2C Jim Boyer wrote:
Hi Bill=2C
Just got out of the garage this morning from painting it a medium gray colo
r=3B not saying what the final paint job may be but who knows it might end
up anothe black and something Piet!
The paint job at first engine start was a little on the weird side=2C have
to admit it.
It really is a great feeling to see and hear it run...finally.
Thanks=2C
Jim B.
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| Subject: | FIRST FLIGHT OF THE SEASON |
| From: | Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
BEAUTIFUL FLIGHT, CHT PERFECT!!