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> What Jim said about bonding to varnish.... > > Fire up that little hot rod of yours, and fly over this Saturday morning. I 'm in B6, on the far south side still... > > Gary > > From: "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 1:35:31 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chris Tracy's Progress > > Thanks, Gary. Then that is what I will do. You must have used exterior p aint with UV protection? What primer did you use, UV protection there, too? So no silver coats? Does the Eco bond stickum work right on the varnished w ood? Poly-tac requires that you paint the wood/fabric contact areas with an epoxy primer, YUCK! > > Wen will you be to the Lincoln airport again, would still like to fly over for a visit? > > Ray > > Sent from my iPad > > On Mar 25, 2013, at 4:07 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > Ray, > > I=99m in the middle of installing the Dan Weseman 5th Bearing on the front of my Corvair, so will be down for a couple more weeks. > > Light weight fabric is what I used, glued on with Stewarts Eco-Bond and pa inted with latex primer and paint (Kelly Moore). > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:03 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chris Tracy's Progress > > Hi Gary, > > Nice to see you have made it to the airport, flying? Also nice to see Chr is is making progress! I have been stalled for the last 7weeks. > > Gary, what weight fabric did you use on your plane? How about some of you o ther folks? Anyone using the light material, or all the medium? > > I just took the EEA Fabric class this weekend at Watsonville, excellent cl ass. I learned a lot about the Poly Fiber System. Now I must start thinkin g about this. One fellow has 32 yards of the light weight available at a goo d price. Should I use it? I plan on using the Stewart System, but the fabri c is the same. > > Thanks, > > > Ray Krause > > Sent from my iPad > > On Mar 24, 2013, at 9:44 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > While doing some maintenance at the hangar yesterday, with the assistance o f Curt Merdan who was on a lay-over, Chris Tracy dropped by with his beautif ul daughter, Rachel, to show us his progress on his wing tank. > > Looking great, Chris!!! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > ========= > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========= > cs.com > ========= > matronics.com/contribution > ========= > > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Chris Tracy's Progress
Date: Mar 25, 2013
Thanks or all the responses about covering. When I planned on going o the EE A Fabric workshop, I did not realize they would only be speaking about the P oly-Fiber system. I felt a little bad about being there and knowing I would not be using their system. When he said their Poly-tak required the two par t epoxy primer on the wood/fabric contact areas, I knew it was not for me! I t is bad enough just varnishing the damn wings. Hope to meet up with Gary this weekend. Ray Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Jim Boyer wrote: > It works fine Ray also the glue works fine gluing fabric to the wood. No n eed to use special epoxy primer first. > > It is much nicer to use than the poly fiber process as far as smell and to xicity of chemicals used. > > Cheers, > > Jim > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Chris Tracy's Progress
Date: Mar 25, 2013
Thanks, Jack. I have already sanded most of the wing parts that will contact the fabric; a t least on the left wing. Sanding and painting are two different things. Thanks again, Ray Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Jack wrote: > Yes it does Ray but I suggest a good sanding... > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Mar 25, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > >> Thanks, Gary. Then that is what I will do. You must have used exterior p aint with UV protection? What primer did you use, UV protection there, too? So no silver coats? Does the Eco bond stickum work right on the varnished w ood? Poly-tac requires that you paint the wood/fabric contact areas with an epoxy primer, YUCK! >> >> Wen will you be to the Lincoln airport again, would still like to fly ove r for a visit? >> >> Ray >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Mar 25, 2013, at 4:07 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: >> >>> Ray, >>> >>> I=99m in the middle of installing the Dan Weseman 5th Bearing on t he front of my Corvair, so will be down for a couple more weeks. >>> >>> Light weight fabric is what I used, glued on with Stewarts Eco-Bond and p ainted with latex primer and paint (Kelly Moore). >>> >>> Gary Boothe >>> NX308MB >>> >>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol- list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause >>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:03 PM >>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chris Tracy's Progress >>> >>> Hi Gary, >>> >>> Nice to see you have made it to the airport, flying? Also nice to see C hris is making progress! I have been stalled for the last 7weeks. >>> >>> Gary, what weight fabric did you use on your plane? How about some of yo u other folks? Anyone using the light material, or all the medium? >>> >>> I just took the EEA Fabric class this weekend at Watsonville, excellent c lass. I learned a lot about the Poly Fiber System. Now I must start thinki ng about this. One fellow has 32 yards of the light weight available at a go od price. Should I use it? I plan on using the Stewart System, but the fabr ic is the same. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> Ray Krause >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Mar 24, 2013, at 9:44 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: >>> >>> While doing some maintenance at the hangar yesterday, with the assistanc e of Curt Merdan who was on a lay-over, Chris Tracy dropped by with his beau tiful daughter, Rachel, to show us his progress on his wing tank. >>> >>> Looking great, Chris!!! >>> >>> Gary Boothe >>> NX308MB >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> http://forums.matronics.com >>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> >>> >>> ======================== >>> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> ======================== >>> cs.com >>> ======================== >>> matronics.com/contribution >>> ======================== >>> >> >> >> ========================= ========= >> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========================= ========= >> cs.com >> ========================= ========= >> matronics.com/contribution >> ========================= ========= >> > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Here's the picture titled "Into the barn it goes"
Date: Mar 25, 2013
Where do you get that type of fabric? Congratulations. I bet there are a lot of those type of finds out there in lot of barns in the Midwest. I'm really happy for you, saved yourself a lot of work! Ray Krause SkyScout Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:23 PM, "Bill Church" wrote: > > That's the new EXTREMELY light dacron on the wing. > Great photo. > > Bill C. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397059#397059 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Steve from Owings, MD
From: "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 26, 2013
Hello Axel, Wow, thank for the kind words. We've met you a few times over the years, and I am very glad you will be there again this year, in one piece (give or take a few pins) ;-). Hope your new project is coming along! Regards, Steve -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397073#397073 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Glue and Varnish Test
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: Mar 26, 2013
Several days ago, I revealed that I had "dunked" my ribs in varnish. Someone pointed out that the varnish might pose a problem with future glue. In order to determine whether I'd have to sand all the nose portions of the ribs, I did an experiment, or rather two. I had some turtle deck stringers that were varnished and almost 1/4 inch thick -- .220-.245 inch -- that were laying around so I ripped them into 1/2 inch pseudo cap strips and glued 6 inches of them to a piece of 1/4 okoume plywood. That length was chosen to approximate the amount of rib that would be glued to the plywood leading edge. Since I had some mixed up, I used West System epoxy as well as T-88. Glued 3 each for a total of 6. Also had some douglas fir that was approximately .285 thick so I ripped some of that into 1/2 inch strips and also glued them to the same piece of 1/4. After the glue had cured for 24 hours, I marked the sticks at 6 inches out from the plywood, put the plywood in a vice and hung a water bucket at the 6 inch mark. I chose this particular test, rather than a tension or compression arrangement with the thought that the primary strain on the glue joint would be a side load on the nose part of the rib where it's nominally glued to the leading edge plywood. After hanging the water bucket on the cap strip, I added water to it until the wood or joint failed and then weighed the bucket on a bathroom scale. Did it for the twelve samples and the results are pictured below. ALL of the test pieces failed in the same manner. They all broke at the "hinge" point where the cap strip met the plywood. NONE of the glue joints failed. Conclusion: Since this was more of a qualitative experiment than a serious quantitative one, the primary one that I reached is that a T-88/West System glue joint with varnished wood is strong enough for the intended purpose and I don't have to sand off my ribs. Observations: The Douglas fir pieces were approximately 25 percent thicker than the Sitka and yet failed at an average of 70 percent higher load. This lends credence to the AC 43-13 note that Douglas is stronger and those that use it could probably use slightly thinner longerons and diagonals in the fuselage. Notes: This test was for ONE failure mode and the data samples were not tightly grouped so the quantitative reliability is not very accurate and any calculations should be based on much more rigorous testing. Since the glue joints did not fail, this is confirmation that West System is suitable for at least this sort of application. Pictures: Glue 1 is the board before testing. Glue 2 is the varnished pieces after failure. Glue 3 is the Douglas fir pieces after failure. The numbers are the weights at failure. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397093#397093 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/glue_3_734.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/glue_2_176.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/glue_1_717.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Glue and Varnish Test
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Mar 26, 2013
I believe it would be a mistake to proceed with your project based on these results. My understanding is that although a strong bond may appear to have been made, the epoxy has adhered to the varnish and not the wood. Varnish will eventually break down as the moisture content of your wood changes seasonally and the wood expands and contracts because of it. Time will weaken the joint. Have you checked with the manufacturer about these tests? John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397110#397110 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Glue and Varnish Test
From: "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Mar 26, 2013
I just read in the Bible(Tony's books) not to get ahead of game and varnish anything to be glued later. I am not trying to be a rain cloud but I trust someone who has been there and done that. -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397116#397116 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Glue and Varnish Test
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 26, 2013
What needs to be glued to the ribs after you have varnished them? The leading edge sheeting or the leading edge itself? I can't see any reason why you would have a problem. I'd sand any portion of the rib that needs glued for some key, and then wouldn't worry about it. My dad dipped all his ribs just like you did on his Hatz, no problems. It's a similar wing. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397128#397128 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Glue and Varnish Test
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: Mar 26, 2013
I forgot to mention that the varnish on the wood was 12 years old and was taken from a previously flying airplane. With a great deal of difficulty, I pried off the pieces that remained on the plywood. None exhibited the failure mode you're describing. I've redone some 90 year old varnished furniture (I grant you not SPAR varnish) that was not giving up without a serious fight. The point is properly applied varnish of most any kind is a b++++ to get off. I think for use on the leading edge plywood, this is not an unreasonable test. This ends up being a low stress joint in any event due to: 1) the fact that all the ribs will be held parallel by a combination of the drag/antidrag wires and the fabric rib lacing and 2) there is very little, if any, "side load" from aerodynamic forces. As a reference to the amount of stress on leading edge fairing, take a look at Aeronca Chiefs and Champs. Their leading edges are .016 or .020 aluminum held on by a relatively small number of short wood screws. Please note that I am NOT recommending using varnish under glue for anything structural. What I am suggesting is that the dunking technique DOES insure that the entire rib, even the nooks and crannies behind the gussets, is varnished and protected from moisture. The "conventional wisdom" that you can't or shouldn't use glue on varnished surfaces may NOT apply to this specific kind of stress with these specific epoxies. That's what experimentation is for and why I offered this data. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397149#397149 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Glue and Varnish Test
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Mar 26, 2013
I agree with you. Epoxy is recommended to glue all sorts of non porous things together, don't know why wood with the grain sealed would be any different. Key is the key, needs to be sanded some is all. I've never seen varnish release due to seasonal movement. I do believe some very old varnishes eventually oxidize to the point they flake off, just like the paint on old machines. Varnish being spar or not shouldn't have anything to do with it's ability to hold either, spar varnish means that it's got UV inhibitors is all. I like the idea of dipping the ribs because of the difficulty of ensuring you've painted all the surfaces. It's EASY to miss places. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397151#397151 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 27, 2013
From: John Woods <johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au>
Subject: Cable Symmetry
Hi Steve from Owings, I just had a look through your construction web site (www.mypiet.com) and it is full of great detail. The one which caught my eye was the Cable Configuration Thoughts and in particular the slides showing the elevator cable configurations. I must agree with you that Setup B is the one to aim for to avoid those loose cables we hear about on flying examples. The key there is ensuring that from the control column all the way to the control horns, everything is symmetrical. By symmetrical, I mean in the neutral position, the control column, idler bar and control horns are vertical or at the same angle from vertical AND the cable connection points on each of those items are equidistant from the pivot point. By equidistant I don't mean that all three items have to have the cable attached at the same measurement, they can be different, but for each item the cable should be the same measurement from the pivot point. Does that make sense? This is why setup B works. The same would apply to all the cable controlled surfaces. Symmetry is good! When moving things are symmetrical, they move together in harmony and all is good. Hope this information is found to be useful. Best regards, John Woods Perth, Western Australia ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Saturday afternoon patrol
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Mar 26, 2013
We ARE going to get that airplane onto the cover of a national publication! It's a beauty. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397155#397155 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Glue and Varnish Test
Date: Mar 27, 2013
I Like the dipping idea too. But if the desire to have bare wood for gluing is there then simply cover those areas with a bit of masking tape. Remove that after taking the rib from the tank. Spar varnish is more than UVinhibitors. That's a modern idea. Traditionaly this varnish was formulated to be highly reflective. You brushed it on and left it bright. Until it dulled and began to lose the shine, it deflected the rays away. Clif Life is uncertain. Eat dessert first I do believe some very old varnishes eventually oxidize to the point they flake off, just like the paint on old machines. > > Varnish being spar or not shouldn't have anything to do with it's ability > to hold either, spar varnish means that it's got UV inhibitors is all. > > I like the idea of dipping the ribs because of the difficulty of ensuring > you've painted all the surfaces. It's EASY to miss places. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim and Grace Malley" <jgmalley(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Glue and Varnish Test
Date: Mar 27, 2013
No apologies. I remembered that you were going to your parents and would be busy. Hope the trip wasn't too bad. Yes, let's talk at Easter. Give your family my love. Hope things slow down a bit so you get some rest. Grace -----Original Message----- From: Clif Dawson Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:07 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Glue and Varnish Test I Like the dipping idea too. But if the desire to have bare wood for gluing is there then simply cover those areas with a bit of masking tape. Remove that after taking the rib from the tank. Spar varnish is more than UVinhibitors. That's a modern idea. Traditionaly this varnish was formulated to be highly reflective. You brushed it on and left it bright. Until it dulled and began to lose the shine, it deflected the rays away. Clif Life is uncertain. Eat dessert first I do believe some very old varnishes eventually oxidize to the point they flake off, just like the paint on old machines. > > Varnish being spar or not shouldn't have anything to do with it's ability > to hold either, spar varnish means that it's got UV inhibitors is all. > > I like the idea of dipping the ribs because of the difficulty of ensuring > you've painted all the surfaces. It's EASY to miss places. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 28, 2013
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Glue and Varnish Test
I don't have my plans in front of me, but I bolted my leading edge to the ribs,using #8 or #10 stainless screws and I'm sure that wasn't an original idea. I believe I glued it too. I think your testing proves you have nothing to worry about. Ben NX866BC, flying for 3 years. On 3/26/2013 12:24 PM, dgaldrich wrote: > > Several days ago, I revealed that I had "dunked" my ribs in varnish. Someone pointed out that the varnish might pose a problem with future glue. In order to determine whether I'd have to sand all the nose portions of the ribs, I did an experiment, or rather two. > > I had some turtle deck stringers that were varnished and almost 1/4 inch thick -- .220-.245 inch -- that were laying around so I ripped them into 1/2 inch pseudo cap strips and glued 6 inches of them to a piece of 1/4 okoume plywood. That length was chosen to approximate the amount of rib that would be glued to the plywood leading edge. Since I had some mixed up, I used West System epoxy as well as T-88. Glued 3 each for a total of 6. Also had some douglas fir that was approximately .285 thick so I ripped some of that into 1/2 inch strips and also glued them to the same piece of 1/4. After the glue had cured for 24 hours, I marked the sticks at 6 inches out from the plywood, put the plywood in a vice and hung a water bucket at the 6 inch mark. > > I chose this particular test, rather than a tension or compression arrangement with the thought that the primary strain on the glue joint would be a side load on the nose part of the rib where it's nominally glued to the leading edge plywood. > > After hanging the water bucket on the cap strip, I added water to it until the wood or joint failed and then weighed the bucket on a bathroom scale. Did it for the twelve samples and the results are pictured below. ALL of the test pieces failed in the same manner. They all broke at the "hinge" point where the cap strip met the plywood. NONE of the glue joints failed. > > Conclusion: Since this was more of a qualitative experiment than a serious quantitative one, the primary one that I reached is that a T-88/West System glue joint with varnished wood is strong enough for the intended purpose and I don't have to sand off my ribs. > > Observations: The Douglas fir pieces were approximately 25 percent thicker than the Sitka and yet failed at an average of 70 percent higher load. This lends credence to the AC 43-13 note that Douglas is stronger and those that use it could probably use slightly thinner longerons and diagonals in the fuselage. > > Notes: This test was for ONE failure mode and the data samples were not tightly grouped so the quantitative reliability is not very accurate and any calculations should be based on much more rigorous testing. Since the glue joints did not fail, this is confirmation that West System is suitable for at least this sort of application. > > Pictures: Glue 1 is the board before testing. Glue 2 is the varnished pieces after failure. Glue 3 is the Douglas fir pieces after failure. The numbers are the weights at failure. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397093#397093 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/glue_3_734.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/glue_2_176.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/glue_1_717.jpg > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Glue and Varnish Test
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Mar 28, 2013
Ben, Maybe this is where you got the idea. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397238#397238 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/le_189.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: slow days on the list
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 28, 2013
Actually Oscar, it sounds like a perfect afternoon for a low and slow pilot! Not too much rushing around, just taking life as it comes to ya, in a hanger, at an airport, where there are airplanes. Could it get better than that?? When are you coming to San Luis Obispo? Isn't it this summer for graduation? Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397252#397252 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: dawn patrol
Date: Mar 29, 2013
Today I slipped another dawn patrol in. Got to the airport about nine, temp was around 40, but the winds were perfect (calm) so I suited up. Did five take offs and landings and only landed high once, but no biggie; just tap the throttle, keep the stick back, keep her straight and she tracks true. Proceeded to patrol the lines but no Huns showed their faces, all clear. Patrolled over the house, waved to the wife and proceed to wake up my friend at his house a few miles up the road before returning to base. Good landing. She runs rich because. it's a continental and the long pipes make it run even richer AND my engine guy doesn't want me to lean her out until 25 hours, so I've invested in rags and cleaner because with those really cool long pipes.. The stuff gets all over the fuselage and tail. Yuck!! Oh well..Coolness trumps practicality sometimes!!!!! Nice still day so I think I got some good gps readings. Cruise at 2200 is around 70. 2400 seems to produce around 75. 2000 is 65ish, maybe a bit less. 2000 to 2200 is FUN. the engine just purrs along sipping the gas, she trims out nicely and just chugs along very quietly. It was cold so she climbed REALLY well, my gps vertical climb indicator was reading between 600 and 750fpm on a totally normal climb-out, so I decided to actually try a steep(ish) climb and got a steady 1,000. I believe the gps is accurate, but attribute those high numbers to the cold, the big C-90/cloudcar prop combo up front, combined with little fuel and me only weighing 160 all clothed up. Keep building, it's worth it! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: dawn patrol
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 29, 2013
Very, very cool Douwe. I am sure these posts are spurring others!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Fri, Mar 29, 2013 10:40 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: dawn patrol Today I slipped another dawn patrol in. Got to theairport about nine, temp was around 40, but the winds were perfect (calm) so Isuited up. Did five take offs and landings and only landed high once, butno biggie; just tap th e throttle, keep the stick back, keep her straight andshe tracks true. Proceeded to patrol the lines but no Huns showed theirfaces, all clear. Pa trolled over the house, waved to the wife and proceedto wake up my friend a t his house a few miles up the road before returning tobase. Good landing. She runs rich because it=99s a continentaland the long pip es make it run even richer AND my engine guy doesn=99t wantme to lean her out until 25 hours, so I=99ve invested in rags and cleanerbecaus e with those really cool long pipes. The stuff gets all over thefu selage and tail. Yuck!! Oh well.Coolness trumps practicalitysomet imes!!!!! Nice still day so I think I got some good gps readings. Cruise at 2200 is around 70. 2400 seems to produce around 75. 2000 is 65ish, maybe a bit less. 2000 to 2200 is FUN the engine just purrs alongsipping the gas, sh e trims out nicely and just chugs along very quietly. It was cold so she climbed REALLY well, my gps verticalclimb indicator was reading between 600 and 750fpm on a totally normalclimb-out, so I decided t o actually try a steep(ish) climb and got a steady1,000. I believe the gps is accurate, but attribute those high numbers tothe cold, the big C-90/clo udcar prop combo up front, combined with little fuel andme only weighing 16 0 all clothed up. Keep building, it=99s worth it! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: dawn patrol
Date: Mar 29, 2013
Douwe What is the bump (stalactite?) hanging down from the wing above your head in the cockpit picture? Is that some type of fuel gage at the bump where the fuel line exits the wing? Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 8:34 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: dawn patrol Today I slipped another dawn patrol in. Got to the airport about nine, temp was around 40, but the winds were perfect (calm) so I suited up. Did five take offs and landings and only landed high once, but no biggie; just tap the throttle, keep the stick back, keep her straight and she tracks true. Proceeded to patrol the lines but no Huns showed their faces, all clear. Patrolled over the house, waved to the wife and proceed to wake up my friend at his house a few miles up the road before returning to base. Good landing. She runs rich because. it's a continental and the long pipes make it run even richer AND my engine guy doesn't want me to lean her out until 25 hours, so I've invested in rags and cleaner because with those really cool long pipes.. The stuff gets all over the fuselage and tail. Yuck!! Oh well..Coolness trumps practicality sometimes!!!!! Nice still day so I think I got some good gps readings. Cruise at 2200 is around 70. 2400 seems to produce around 75. 2000 is 65ish, maybe a bit less. 2000 to 2200 is FUN. the engine just purrs along sipping the gas, she trims out nicely and just chugs along very quietly. It was cold so she climbed REALLY well, my gps vertical climb indicator was reading between 600 and 750fpm on a totally normal climb-out, so I decided to actually try a steep(ish) climb and got a steady 1,000. I believe the gps is accurate, but attribute those high numbers to the cold, the big C-90/cloudcar prop combo up front, combined with little fuel and me only weighing 160 all clothed up. Keep building, it's worth it! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: slow days on the list
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Mar 29, 2013
Have you read the newest EAA rag? It has a great article regarding Hangar etiquette. It's like they have been following me around or or spying on us at our airport. Great read and right on the mark. Happy landings all, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397290#397290 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Abramson" <davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com>
Subject: Re: slow days on the list
Date: Mar 29, 2013
Did not know there was such a thing.....Mostly common sense I suppose... Dave A. Santa Maria Airport Ca. Cessna 140 4yr. Piet builder.... -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 1:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow days on the list Have you read the newest EAA rag? It has a great article regarding Hangar etiquette. It's like they have been following me around or or spying on us at our airport. Great read and right on the mark. Happy landings all, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397290#397290 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: satellite tracking devices
Date: Mar 29, 2013
Hey all! I'm thinking of getting a SPOT satellite locator, but wanted to see if anyone had experience with some of the others out there now before I commit. Thanks! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: slow days on the list
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Mar 29, 2013
Exactly... while I really enjoy visiting with the people around the airport, the worst is when I get up in the morning and decide that it is so nice out that I'll take a day off. Something about taking a day of vacation (and the nice wx) seems to bring ALL of the retired folks out. Ha! A bitter sweet deal as I really do enjoy my neighbors. I've often considered posting the Burt Rutan rule (I think it was Burt)... If you have been here more than 7 minutes and you don't have a tool in your hand, it's time to go. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397303#397303 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Donald Lane" <dslane(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: fish scale test
Date: Mar 29, 2013
Idid the official fishscale thrust test today on my Model A powered Piet. 305 lbs thrust at 1810 rpm with a 74X42 propeller. Don Lane Minnesott Beach NC ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: fish scale test
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 29, 2013
Wow Don 305 is a GREAT number! I am still low man @265. I need to carve a n ew prop to try to get my reading into a respectful range. You should be goo d to go for flight! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Donald Lane <dslane(at)embarqmail.com> Sent: Fri, Mar 29, 2013 8:18 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: fish scale test Idid the official fishscale thrust test today on my Model A powered Piet. 305 lbs thrust at 1810 rpm with a 74X42 propeller. Don Lane Minnesott Beach NC ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: slow days on the list
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Mar 29, 2013
Mark; I am scheduled to be in San Luis Obispo on Thursday, June 13 for my culminating presentation. Commencement is that Saturday, but I don't plan to "walk". Steve: sad to say, but MFR is an international airport of entry, so we have the chain-link fence with "bob war" on top, gates with prox card entry, roving guards, and no fooling around on the airport grounds like at 8T8. Yes, there are retired guys and snoopers around from time to time, but it's hard to even find somebody to help me flip a wing or load/unload anything. I have a mighty fine, clean, new, insulated, lighted hangar so no complaints, but I do miss having a few like-minded folks around. There are definitely no walk-ups interrupting me and asking questions. They mythical teenager peering through the fence just waiting to wash airplanes in exchange for a ride would get arrested and questioned as a potential terrorist nowadays, I'm afraid. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397307#397307 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Question about Continetal Engine Mount
Date: Mar 29, 2013
All I have a question about the plans for the continental engine mount. The 4 mounting points on the engine side of the mount call for "Ream for 7/16 inch bolts". According to my continental overhaul manual, the mounting bolts for the A series is a 3/8 inch bolt. Also, in one of the Bengalis' books it shows a 3/8th inch bolt. So, what size do I make the hole for the bolts on the engine mount? Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Chris' question re: overhead "bump"
Date: Mar 30, 2013
Hey Chris, What you're seeing is a faired housing for a "DG type" compass. I actually have two similar "sumps" (you can just see the rear one) on the bottom of my tank that are pretty big too because I'm freaky about fuel starvation and wanted sumps large enough to really hold some fuel at any attitude. They and the compass housing are each made from half an old Soviet aluminum canteen, cheap and nicely shaped for the purpose. D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Official fish scales
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 30, 2013
Hello all, Don Lane has now completed his thrust tests with the scales. Is anyone else ready to use them? Please chime in with your dispositions on this so we ca n direct them to their best use. Thanks. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Official fish scales
Date: Mar 30, 2013
I'd like to try them on my A-65 Piet. Perry Rhoads N12939 ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official fish scales Hello all, Don Lane has now completed his thrust tests with the scales. Is anyone else ready to use them? Please chime in with your dispositions on this so we can direct them to their best use. Thanks. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "l.morlock" <l.morlock(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Official fish scales
Date: Mar 30, 2013
Dan, I'd like to try them. I'm getting closer to flying status, so this would be a good time. Larry Morlock 3407 Woodland Place Columbus, IN 47201 812-371-6628 ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew(at)aol.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official fish scales Hello all, Don Lane has now completed his thrust tests with the scales. Is anyone else ready to use them? Please chime in with your dispositions on this so we can direct them to their best use. Thanks. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: slow days on the list
From: "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Mar 30, 2013
When my parents lived across the street from us I used to go help him in the yard on Saturdays. His neighbor always seemed to come over and wanted to talk, every job took twice as long. One day we put him on the other end of a crosscut saw cutting a 3 foot diameter oak tree up and we turned around and he was gone! Moral of the story, give them a dirty job and they will not stay too long. If they keep working offer to buy lunch, you have some good help. -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397339#397339 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Hangar rats
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Mar 30, 2013
Here's what I do with those...On another Sacramento lay-over today, I put Cu rt Merdan to work, safetying my oil pan...Of course, he's almost as good a m echanic as a pilot! Gary Boothe NX308MB Sent from my iPhone

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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Official fish scales
Date: Mar 30, 2013
Glad to hear you're getting close, Larry!! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of l.morlock Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Official fish scales Dan, I'd like to try them. I'm getting closer to flying status, so this would be a good time. Larry Morlock 3407 Woodland Place Columbus, IN 47201 812-371-6628 ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official fish scales Hello all, Don Lane has now completed his thrust tests with the scales. Is anyone else ready to use them? Please chime in with your dispositions on this so we can direct them to their best use. Thanks. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
Date: Mar 30, 2013
Gary, I flew by your hangar, at least I think it was your (2 or 3 in from the end on the very southwest row of hangars?), and no one was there. I did not make it there till shortly after noon, I spent too much time in Oroville. You must have left for lunch. Guess I will have to catch up with you later...we keep trying! Ray Krause SkyScout Sent from my iPad On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Here's what I do with those...On another Sacramento lay-over today, I put Curt Merdan to work, safetying my oil pan...Of course, he's almost as good a mechanic as a pilot! > > > > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > Sent from my iPhone >
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Hangar rats
Date: Mar 30, 2013
Yes....then took Curt back to SFC...sorry we missed you!! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hangar rats --> Gary, I flew by your hangar, at least I think it was your (2 or 3 in from the end on the very southwest row of hangars?), and no one was there. I did not make it there till shortly after noon, I spent too much time in Oroville. You must have left for lunch. Guess I will have to catch up with you later...we keep trying! Ray Krause SkyScout Sent from my iPad On Mar 30, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Here's what I do with those...On another Sacramento lay-over today, I put Curt Merdan to work, safetying my oil pan...Of course, he's almost as good a mechanic as a pilot! > > > > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > Sent from my iPhone >
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Subject: Re: Question about Continetal Engine Mount
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Mar 30, 2013
Chris; I was just out to the hangar and I confirmed that my engine mount bolts are AN6 (3/8")... A65/75 Continental. Now I don't know how snugly AN6 bolts fit in a 3/8" drilled hole, so you may need to do a little research on that. There are rubber donuts on the engine mounts that the bolts pass through and those are not a problem, but I don't know how tight a fit an AN6 bolt is in a 3/8" hole, thus (possibly) the reason for reaming the holes to 7/16". That just seems too sloppy a fit though. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397375#397375 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Question about Continetal Engine Mount
Date: Mar 30, 2013
Thanks Oscar. Every where I look calls for an AN6 bolt (3/8"). I even checked the GN-1 plans and they have a 3/8th inch bolt. Digging through my scrap pile I found I have some thick wall tubing that will let me weld the engine mount and ream or bush it to the AN6 or AN7 size. I am leaning to the AN6 bolt. Thanks again for being the only one to answer a building question. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question about Continetal Engine Mount --> Chris; I was just out to the hangar and I confirmed that my engine mount bolts are AN6 (3/8")... A65/75 Continental. Now I don't know how snugly AN6 bolts fit in a 3/8" drilled hole, so you may need to do a little research on that. There are rubber donuts on the engine mounts that the bolts pass through and those are not a problem, but I don't know how tight a fit an AN6 bolt is in a 3/8" hole, thus (possibly) the reason for reaming the holes to 7/16". That just seems too sloppy a fit though. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397375#397375 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Mar 31, 2013
Your ALT belt looks a little loose. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397406#397406 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Mar 31, 2013
Dang mechanics!! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2013, at 6:37 AM, "K5YAC" wrote: > > Your ALT belt looks a little loose. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397406#397406 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Mar 31, 2013
Gary; another question, just looking at the twin hoses running aft from the port side valve cover. The typical oil separator setup has a fitting coming off the top of the valve cover, going to the separator, then returning oil to the valve cover. I take it that's where those hoses are leading to, is an oil separator on the firewall? So, how does your setup work? Is there a breather tube exiting the bottom of the cowling from the separator? -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397424#397424 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: fish scale test
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Mar 31, 2013
its interesting to see what length and pitch do to static thrust.. my 76-42 1750 and 275 lbs Dan.. had 76-44 i think and 265 lbs and Don 74-42 1810 305 lbs a couple inches of pitch or length really changes the thrust of course there are more variables but interesting jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397425#397425 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
Date: Mar 31, 2013
Oscar, How timely!!! My system is set to exit the top hose, enter a Cessna style air/oil separator, return via the bottom hose, with an overflow that is routed under the firewall. Today, a local stopped by and asked the same question, "How well does that work?" His concern is that, in a left steep turn or turns about a point, the breathing system may get overwhelmed with oil. A few months ago, in left turns about my house, the engine sputtered and emitted smoke from the left side. I assumed that I had picked up some condensation or water. The local wants me to change it so that the 'Outlet' from the separator is routed back to the top cover of the engine, not the valve cover. I have yet to converse with WW about that. Your thoughts? Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 9:56 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats --> Gary; another question, just looking at the twin hoses running aft from the port side valve cover. The typical oil separator setup has a fitting coming off the top of the valve cover, going to the separator, then returning oil to the valve cover. I take it that's where those hoses are leading to, is an oil separator on the firewall? So, how does your setup work? Is there a breather tube exiting the bottom of the cowling from the separator? -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397424#397424 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Mar 31, 2013
Gary; I would not say that William Wynne has the ONLY solution to proper crankcase venting, but he certainly has one that works. Before you do anything with the top cover, do talk with William. Meanwhile, here's a snip from one of his posts after Corvair College 20, which was in 2011: "The engine fired right up on the test stand and ran very well, however it began to leak a little oil after a few minutes. Normally this does not bother me. The focus of the test run is to break in the camshaft lifters. If the engine leaks oil, I usually let it go if it is not severe. I carefully studied Bills engine as it ran on the stand, and I noticed it was showing oil leaking from several of the pushrod tubes at once. There is an easy explanation for an engine leaking oil from a lot of different places unexpectedly: The breather is not working. Because Bill is installing his engine on a Pietenpol, he was a little reluctant to have the oil filler and breathers in the valve covers. He incorporated a breather into the top cover on his engine. And packed it with a Scotch Brite-like material to act as a filtration device. The net effect was to restrict the outflow of crankcase vapors excessively. When the crankcase becomes pressurized with blow by air, it does not take more than three or four pounds of pressure to make the engine leak oil from numerous places. If you're considering a unique oil breather arrangement, understand that I've tried almost every location on the engine, and numerous different designs. Having the oil filler neck and breathers in the valve covers was not my first choice; it evolved over years of testing. With a corrected crankcase venting system, Bills engine will show itself to be an outstanding powerplant and probably remain leak free." -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397464#397464 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Mar 31, 2013
By the way, it may be a little tough getting in touch with William right now. He and Grace will be conducting CC#25 from April 5-7 and will then be at Sun 'n' Fun April 9-14. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397465#397465 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
Date: Mar 31, 2013
The infraction here appears to be the packing material...not sure why someone would do that. Stock Corvairs have the vent return into the top cover. Thanks for digging that up, Oscar! I know WW is busy right now, and I'm not desperate for an answer. Steep turns and turns about a point will be made to the right! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 3:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats --> Gary; I would not say that William Wynne has the ONLY solution to proper crankcase venting, but he certainly has one that works. Before you do anything with the top cover, do talk with William. Meanwhile, here's a snip from one of his posts after Corvair College 20, which was in 2011: "The engine fired right up on the test stand and ran very well, however it began to leak a little oil after a few minutes. Normally this does not bother me. The focus of the test run is to break in the camshaft lifters. If the engine leaks oil, I usually let it go if it is not severe. I carefully studied Bills engine as it ran on the stand, and I noticed it was showing oil leaking from several of the pushrod tubes at once. There is an easy explanation for an engine leaking oil from a lot of different places unexpectedly: The breather is not working. Because Bill is installing his engine on a Pietenpol, he was a little reluctant to have the oil filler and breathers in the valve covers. He incorporated a breather into the top cover on his engine. And packed it with a Scotch Brite-like material to act as a filtration device. The net effect was to restrict the outflow of crankcase vapors excessively. When the crankcase becomes pressurized with blow by air, it does not take mo! re than three or four pounds of pressure to make the engine leak oil from numerous places. If you're considering a unique oil breather arrangement, understand that I've tried almost every location on the engine, and numerous different designs. Having the oil filler neck and breathers in the valve covers was not my first choice; it evolved over years of testing. With a corrected crankcase venting system, Bills engine will show itself to be an outstanding powerplant and probably remain leak free." -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397464#397464 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
Date: Mar 31, 2013
WW's latest manual still incorporates two welded lines into the left cover, as I did, and I used the ACS #10570 separator as he suggests. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 4:02 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats --> The infraction here appears to be the packing material...not sure why someone would do that. Stock Corvairs have the vent return into the top cover. Thanks for digging that up, Oscar! I know WW is busy right now, and I'm not desperate for an answer. Steep turns and turns about a point will be made to the right! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 3:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats --> Gary; I would not say that William Wynne has the ONLY solution to proper crankcase venting, but he certainly has one that works. Before you do anything with the top cover, do talk with William. Meanwhile, here's a snip from one of his posts after Corvair College 20, which was in 2011: "The engine fired right up on the test stand and ran very well, however it began to leak a little oil after a few minutes. Normally this does not bother me. The focus of the test run is to break in the camshaft lifters. If the engine leaks oil, I usually let it go if it is not severe. I carefully studied Bills engine as it ran on the stand, and I noticed it was showing oil leaking from several of the pushrod tubes at once. There is an easy explanation for an engine leaking oil from a lot of different places unexpectedly: The breather is not working. Because Bill is installing his engine on a Pietenpol, he was a little reluctant to have the oil filler and breathers in the valve covers. He incorporated a breather into the top cover on his engine. And packed it with a Scotch Brite-like material to act as a filtration device. The net effect was to restrict the outflow of crankcase vapors excessively. When the crankcase becomes pressurized with blow by air, it does not ta! ke mo! re than three or four pounds of pressure to make the engine leak oil from numerous places. If you're considering a unique oil breather arrangement, understand that I've tried almost every location on the engine, and numerous different designs. Having the oil filler neck and breathers in the valve covers was not my first choice; it evolved over years of testing. With a corrected crankcase venting system, Bills engine will show itself to be an outstanding powerplant and probably remain leak free." -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397464#397464 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Re: dawn patrol
Date: Mar 31, 2013
Hi Douwe, I recognize that Piet... My flight instructor Joe Smith from Red Stewart Airfield sent me a picture of it. You did some training there right? Regards, Charles Burkholder ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 11:34 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: dawn patrol Today I slipped another dawn patrol in. Got to the airport about nine, temp was around 40, but the winds were perfect (calm) so I suited up. Did five take offs and landings and only landed high once, but no biggie; just tap the throttle, keep the stick back, keep her straight and she tracks true. Proceeded to patrol the lines but no Huns showed their faces, all clear. Patrolled over the house, waved to the wife and proceed to wake up my friend at his house a few miles up the road before returning to base. Good landing. She runs rich because. it's a continental and the long pipes make it run even richer AND my engine guy doesn't want me to lean her out until 25 hours, so I've invested in rags and cleaner because with those really cool long pipes.. The stuff gets all over the fuselage and tail. Yuck!! Oh well..Coolness trumps practicality sometimes!!!!! Nice still day so I think I got some good gps readings. Cruise at 2200 is around 70. 2400 seems to produce around 75. 2000 is 65ish, maybe a bit less. 2000 to 2200 is FUN. the engine just purrs along sipping the gas, she trims out nicely and just chugs along very quietly. It was cold so she climbed REALLY well, my gps vertical climb indicator was reading between 600 and 750fpm on a totally normal climb-out, so I decided to actually try a steep(ish) climb and got a steady 1,000. I believe the gps is accurate, but attribute those high numbers to the cold, the big C-90/cloudcar prop combo up front, combined with little fuel and me only weighing 160 all clothed up. Keep building, it's worth it! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Cool building shot
Date: Mar 31, 2013
If I'm irritating anyone with all these photos... My apologies... just don't open this one. While organizing Piet photos I found this one Marci shot one night. Thought it captured something nice about the building process that some would appreciate, hence the forward. Changed out my old original starter which had a clutch going bad for a new lightweight Skytech. Saved SIX pounds!! Easiest weight saving I ever heard of (except for the purchase price...) Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cool building shot
From: "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Mar 31, 2013
Douwe, you have such a good looking plane I don't mind looking at pictures. I am going to try to get some pictures of my project on soon. -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397482#397482 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cool building shot
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Mar 31, 2013
Douwe, Why would anyone get upset with your infectious joy over your airplane? Thanks for sharing. For those who have built or owned, your pictures and posts bring back the same thoughts. For those of us building, it keeps us motivated. Keep 'em comin'. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397486#397486 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cool building shot
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Mar 31, 2013
The photo captures a couple of things that I can see: (1) mounting anticipation as the building part nears an end and the flying part is close enough to feel; (2) as the building part nears its end and you enjoy it more and more, it's getting to be less and less; (3) this is why we build Air Campers and not Glasairs or RVs. No offense meant against those other designs, but this airplane spans so much aviation history that we can almost grab it all with this one time machine. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397492#397492 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: slow days on the list
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 31, 2013
Thanks Oscar. I hope to connect with you on your trip for a couple of hours if it's convenient for you. We'll connect off list... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397494#397494 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time building
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 31, 2013
I know I am not alone in the "start again, stop again" building process, but I have been surprised by how quickly I have progressed recently. I stopped for almost the entire last half of 2012 because of a video project I was producing and, since I worked at home, I felt every moment I was in the shop was time I should have spent editing and finishing the video. But, I bought the steel for the control stick, elevator bar, rudder bar and pedals, and related assemblies, but ran out of money before I got the welding set up. When I finally had time, I had run outta money to buy the tanks and welding equipment. A friend had a set of tanks and all the torches I needed to start welding, and needed a place to store them after breaking up with his girlfriend, so 3 weekends ago he dropped them off and I started putting metal together. I was skeptical about whether I could weld well enough to produce a safe airplane, but I had some good encouragement from Gary Booth when he came to visit and he was right: it ain't THAT hard to do a good weld joint. Where I once felt I would have a professional do my LG and Engine mount, I now think I can do just fine. Thanks Gary! So, I told my wife that I thought it would take me 2-3 months to get to the point of finishing the steel parts I had bought. It has taken about 3 weeks to build everything. Well, I still have the front rudder pedals to do, but all the rest is finished and ready for the zinc paint. I thing the time to varnish the inside has come, then paint the metal bits and plug them in! Progress! Here's some pics of Jody sitting in her perch as I measured out where to put the pedals for her short statured legs. I made her stick removable so I could use the front seat as storage if she isn't flying. Now, what's next... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397499#397499 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_467.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_154.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_351.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_917.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_632.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time
building
Date: Apr 01, 2013
Way to go, Mark!! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 9:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time building --> I know I am not alone in the "start again, stop again" building process, but I have been surprised by how quickly I have progressed recently. I stopped for almost the entire last half of 2012 because of a video project I was producing and, since I worked at home, I felt every moment I was in the shop was time I should have spent editing and finishing the video. But, I bought the steel for the control stick, elevator bar, rudder bar and pedals, and related assemblies, but ran out of money before I got the welding set up. When I finally had time, I had run outta money to buy the tanks and welding equipment. A friend had a set of tanks and all the torches I needed to start welding, and needed a place to store them after breaking up with his girlfriend, so 3 weekends ago he dropped them off and I started putting metal together. I was skeptical about whether I could weld well enough to produce a safe airplane, but I had some good encouragement from Gary Booth when he came to visit and he was right: it ain't THAT hard to do a good weld joint. Where I once felt I would have a professional do my LG and Engine mount, I now think I can do just fine. Thanks Gary! So, I told my wife that I thought it would take me 2-3 months to get to the point of finishing the steel parts I had bought. It has taken about 3 weeks to build everything. Well, I still have the front rudder pedals to do, but all the rest is finished and ready for the zinc paint. I thing the time to varnish the inside has come, then paint the metal bits and plug them in! Progress! Here's some pics of Jody sitting in her perch as I measured out where to put the pedals for her short statured legs. I made her stick removable so I could use the front seat as storage if she isn't flying. Now, what's next... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397499#397499 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_467.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_154.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_351.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_917.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_632.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Stewarts
Date: Apr 01, 2013
Yes Charles, "Re-PIET" was at Stewarts for a month after Joe finished my tailwheel endorsement. He's also the gent who spun her, causing quite a controversy on the list and taking a couple years off my lifespan. Cool guy, and really enjoyed his instruction. Can't say enough about Stewarts!! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 01, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time
building HI Mark, Your Piet progress is looking good. Jody looks like she belongs in there flying it. Keep it up Mark and see you two at Frazier lake. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time
building
Date: Apr 01, 2013
Looking good=2C pleased to see your progress=2C and suport from the family. Hope you bring a bunch of photos of all the parts to Frazier Lake in June . Love to see them and both of you again. Vic NX414MV > From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: What you can accomplish if you just spend so me time building > Date: Mon=2C 1 Apr 2013 05:41:01 -0700 > > > > Way to go=2C Mark!! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Robe rts > Sent: Sunday=2C March 31=2C 2013 9:20 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: What you can accomplish if you just spend some t ime > building > > --> > > I know I am not alone in the "start again=2C stop again" building process =2C but > I have been surprised by how quickly I have progressed recently. I stoppe d > for almost the entire last half of 2012 because of a video project I was > producing and=2C since I worked at home=2C I felt every moment I was in t he shop > was time I should have spent editing and finishing the video. > > But=2C I bought the steel for the control stick=2C elevator bar=2C rudder bar and > pedals=2C and related assemblies=2C but ran out of money before I got the > welding set up. When I finally had time=2C I had run outta money to buy t he > tanks and welding equipment. > > A friend had a set of tanks and all the torches I needed to start welding =2C > and needed a place to store them after breaking up with his girlfriend=2C so 3 > weekends ago he dropped them off and I started putting metal together. > > I was skeptical about whether I could weld well enough to produce a safe > airplane=2C but I had some good encouragement from Gary Booth when he cam e to > visit and he was right: it ain't THAT hard to do a good weld joint. Where I > once felt I would have a professional do my LG and Engine mount=2C I now think > I can do just fine. Thanks Gary! > > So=2C I told my wife that I thought it would take me 2-3 months to get to the > point of finishing the steel parts I had bought. It has taken about 3 wee ks > to build everything. Well=2C I still have the front rudder pedals to do =2C but > all the rest is finished and ready for the zinc paint. I thing the time t o > varnish the inside has come=2C then paint the metal bits and plug them in ! > Progress! > > Here's some pics of Jody sitting in her perch as I measured out where to put > the pedals for her short statured legs. I made her stick removable so I > could use the front seat as storage if she isn't flying. > > Now=2C what's next... > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397499#397499 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_467.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_154.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_351.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_917.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_632.jpg > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Varnish Temperature
Date: Apr 01, 2013
Hi folks what is the coolest temperature you would feel comfortable varnishing? This cold ontario weather just refuses to leave..... cb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Varnish Temperature
Date: Apr 01, 2013
Anything under 60 and I have to put on a sweatshirt.I'm usually comfortable then. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Burkholder Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 1:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Varnish Temperature Hi folks what is the coolest temperature you would feel comfortable varnishing? This cold ontario weather just refuses to leave..... cb ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Varnish Temperature
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 01, 2013
"Varnish" is basically a business term these days... as such, EVERY brand of "varnish" is different, and then the formula within a brand probably changes more frequently than you may imagine. Therefore, check the very fine print on the can and follow it to the letter. Every can I've read has a minimum recommended application temp and that should be followed for it to work right. It will likely also have a max temp and well as guidance based on general humidity levels. I've even seen "varnish" that had coating thickness guidance, which I didn't follow, and it NEVER cured.. what a stinking mess that was. The moral, read the can and do EVERYTHING it says the best you can! Because of these experiences, I base my purchases now on what I read, as in if I don't like how they want it applied, I keep reading cans until I find one I do like, and you might be amazed how different they all are. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397565#397565 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New Builder Introduction
From: "pringljo" <joseph.pringle(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 01, 2013
Hello All, I just wanted to jump in and introduce myself. I'm a new builder in Atlanta, GA. I'm currently working on the wing ribs (building a Riblett 612 wing). I just bought a Corvair engine core about 2 weeks ago, so I am trying to come up to speed on that as well. I have a million questions, and so far, I have been able to get most of them answered right here. I am looking forward to meeting some of you and seeing your planes in person. Joe Pringle Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397571#397571 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Re: Varnish Temperature
Date: Apr 01, 2013
I couldn't find any minimum temperature on the can. I'll look again.... cb ----- Original Message ----- From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 4:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature > > "Varnish" is basically a business term these days... as such, EVERY brand > of "varnish" is different, and then the formula within a brand probably > changes more frequently than you may imagine. > > Therefore, check the very fine print on the can and follow it to the > letter. Every can I've read has a minimum recommended application temp > and that should be followed for it to work right. > > It will likely also have a max temp and well as guidance based on general > humidity levels. > > I've even seen "varnish" that had coating thickness guidance, which I > didn't follow, and it NEVER cured.. what a stinking mess that was. > > The moral, read the can and do EVERYTHING it says the best you can! > Because of these experiences, I base my purchases now on what I read, as > in if I don't like how they want it applied, I keep reading cans until I > find one I do like, and you might be amazed how different they all are. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397565#397565 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 01, 2013
From: Gardiner <airlion2(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: New Builder Introduction
Hi Joe, I live in atlanta and keep my piet in lagrange ga. my phone is 404 367 9453 and my cell is 706 594 3811 > > Hello All, > I just wanted to jump in and introduce myself. I'm a new builder in Atlanta, GA. I'm currently working on the wing ribs (building a Riblett 612 wing). I just bought a Corvair engine core about 2 weeks ago, so I am trying to come up to speed on that as well. > > I have a million questions, and so far, I have been able to get most of them answered right here. > > I am looking forward to meeting some of you and seeing your planes in person. > > Joe Pringle > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397571#397571 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Varnish Temperature
Date: Apr 01, 2013
Charles, My can of Min Wax Spar Varnish does not specify a minimum, either...only that the 24 hr drying time is extend when applied over 77 deg. and 50% humidity. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Burkholder Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature I couldn't find any minimum temperature on the can. I'll look again.... cb ----- Original Message ----- From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 4:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature > > "Varnish" is basically a business term these days... as such, EVERY brand > of "varnish" is different, and then the formula within a brand probably > changes more frequently than you may imagine. > > Therefore, check the very fine print on the can and follow it to the > letter. Every can I've read has a minimum recommended application temp > and that should be followed for it to work right. > > It will likely also have a max temp and well as guidance based on general > humidity levels. > > I've even seen "varnish" that had coating thickness guidance, which I > didn't follow, and it NEVER cured.. what a stinking mess that was. > > The moral, read the can and do EVERYTHING it says the best you can! > Because of these experiences, I base my purchases now on what I read, as > in if I don't like how they want it applied, I keep reading cans until I > find one I do like, and you might be amazed how different they all are. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397565#397565 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: New Builder Introduction
Date: Apr 01, 2013
Welcome, Joe! I'm assuming that you have caught up with WW? Gary Boothe NX308MB Covair -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pringljo Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 2:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Builder Introduction --> Hello All, I just wanted to jump in and introduce myself. I'm a new builder in Atlanta, GA. I'm currently working on the wing ribs (building a Riblett 612 wing). I just bought a Corvair engine core about 2 weeks ago, so I am trying to come up to speed on that as well. I have a million questions, and so far, I have been able to get most of them answered right here. I am looking forward to meeting some of you and seeing your planes in person. Joe Pringle Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397571#397571 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: wayne <catway(at)sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Varnish Temperature
Date: Apr 01, 2013
charles, I used helmsman spar varnish and the can says it will dry in six hours at 25c temps. so if you use it in the cold it may not dry till the end of may when the temperature warms up. be patient and only do it once. p.s. a friend has some steamline tubing if your interested . let me know. Wayne (with my sweater on) in waterloo. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature > > > I couldn't find any minimum temperature on the can. I'll look again.... > cb > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> > To: > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 4:51 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature > > >> >> "Varnish" is basically a business term these days... as such, EVERY brand >> of "varnish" is different, and then the formula within a brand probably >> changes more frequently than you may imagine. >> >> Therefore, check the very fine print on the can and follow it to the >> letter. Every can I've read has a minimum recommended application temp >> and that should be followed for it to work right. >> >> It will likely also have a max temp and well as guidance based on general >> humidity levels. >> >> I've even seen "varnish" that had coating thickness guidance, which I >> didn't follow, and it NEVER cured.. what a stinking mess that was. >> >> The moral, read the can and do EVERYTHING it says the best you can! >> Because of these experiences, I base my purchases now on what I read, as >> in if I don't like how they want it applied, I keep reading cans until I >> find one I do like, and you might be amazed how different they all are. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397565#397565 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Re: Varnish Temperature
Date: Apr 01, 2013
Yes I'm using that stuff too. I'm just not sure if the cold temps would affect the bond etc...... Wayne I would be interested....... How much does he have? ----- Original Message ----- From: "wayne" <catway(at)sympatico.ca> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 7:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature > > charles, I used helmsman spar varnish and the can says it will dry in six > hours at 25c temps. > so if you use it in the cold it may not dry till the end of may when the > temperature warms up. > be patient and only do it once. > p.s. a friend has some steamline tubing if your interested . > let me know. > > Wayne (with my sweater on) in waterloo. > ----- > Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net> > To: > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 7:06 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature > > >> >> >> I couldn't find any minimum temperature on the can. I'll look again.... >> cb >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> >> To: >> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 4:51 PM >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature >> >> >>> >>> "Varnish" is basically a business term these days... as such, EVERY >>> brand of "varnish" is different, and then the formula within a brand >>> probably changes more frequently than you may imagine. >>> >>> Therefore, check the very fine print on the can and follow it to the >>> letter. Every can I've read has a minimum recommended application temp >>> and that should be followed for it to work right. >>> >>> It will likely also have a max temp and well as guidance based on >>> general humidity levels. >>> >>> I've even seen "varnish" that had coating thickness guidance, which I >>> didn't follow, and it NEVER cured.. what a stinking mess that was. >>> >>> The moral, read the can and do EVERYTHING it says the best you can! >>> Because of these experiences, I base my purchases now on what I read, as >>> in if I don't like how they want it applied, I keep reading cans until I >>> find one I do like, and you might be amazed how different they all are. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397565#397565 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Varnish Temperature
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 01, 2013
Wow, weird, consider checking online for additional info on that product, and/or emailing the manufacturer for recommendations. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397604#397604 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cool building shot
From: "Larry V" <larryvangerven(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Apr 01, 2013
Douwe, keep the pictures coming awsome aircraft and always a joy to see and quite motivational Larry V Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397605#397605 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time
buildin
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 01, 2013
Thanks guys! I am looking forward to Frazier Lake! It will be good to see everyone again. AND, there will be at least 2 NEW Piets there (will Mike let you ride in the front seat on the way over Vic ;-) Poor Charlie's won't be the only Piet there this year! I'm sure he got tired of wiping off all the drool from us Pieters in Progress... Thanks for the kind words. Feels good to make some progress... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397608#397608 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 01, 2013
Subject: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some
time buildin
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Guys, If any of you are heading to Frazier Lake for the West Coast Pietenpol fly-in in June from the San Luis Obispo area and wouldn't mind giving a ride to a college student, my son Kevin would doubtless jump at the chance to tag along. Some of you -- Gary, for instance -- may remember Kevin from past Brodhead fly-ins. He's the teenager that was flying the brown and cream Pacer every chance he got, at least when he wasn't bumming rides from guys with Pietenpols. He's now finishing his freshmen year at Cal Poly as an aerospace engineering major. Quick story about him. Two years ago when we arrived at Brodhead, he started unloading the Pacer as quickly as he could so that he could go for a flight without all our camping gear (or me) in it. He had gotten his license about six months prior, right after turning 17. One of the fellows there cautioned him that as hot and humid as it was the density altitude was probably 2500 ft. He said, 'yeah, I know. I've never flown that low.' For those that don't know, our field elevation here in Colorado is just over 5000. Density altitudes in the thin air in summer can easily reach 8 to 9 thousand feet He really hadn't flown that low. He's now got about 250 hours: 10 in tricycle airplanes, the rest in taildraggers, mostly in the Pacer. Let me know off-line if someone is heading that way and I'll pass along his contact information. Cheers, Ken On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> > > Thanks guys! > > I am looking forward to Frazier Lake! It will be good to see everyone > again. AND, there will be at least 2 NEW Piets there (will Mike let you > ride in the front seat on the way over Vic ;-) > > Poor Charlie's won't be the only Piet there this year! I'm sure he got > tired of wiping off all the drool from us Pieters in Progress... > > Thanks for the kind words. Feels good to make some progress... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397608#397608 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time
building
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 01, 2013
Yep! 2" wider from nose to pilot shoulders (which surprisingly makes it feel VERY roomy... I bet 1" would have been fine even for my 250 lbs) and 2" deeper at the pilot seat. 2" longer at the nose too... All these were over and above the long fuse dimensions from the supplemental plans. Book that layover trip and come to the Frazier Lake fly in!! West Coast Pieters are great! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397613#397613 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Varnish Temperature
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 01, 2013
Oh Gary! I laughed out loud... Didn't see that one comin' :D [quote="gboothe"]Anything under 60 and I have to put on a sweatshirtIm usually comfortable then Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Burkholder Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 1:09 PM Subject: Varnish Temperature Hi folks what is the coolest temperature you would feel comfortable varnishing? This cold ontario weather just refuses to leave..... cb > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List 0 > 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 5 > 6 > 7 > [b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397614#397614 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Another entroduction
From: "CraigAho" <Soar561(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Apr 01, 2013
Hello from Seattle, WA. I look forward to the Pietenpol Fellowship with my fellow builders. I have completed one Air Camper back in 1996 that took me a little over two years to build. I am now about 15 years into my second one but expect to speed up my building progress now that I am retired. I have a Fuselage, wing ribs, tail feathers and most all the fittings and a fresh C65/85 ready to go. My Air Camper NX40772 was sold about a year after completion to a couple of fellows in my area that enjoyed it untill it was destroyed in a Hanger fire that consumed 6 aircraft. I recieved all my original hardware and metal parts back which I have ready to reinstall on my new aircraft. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397617#397617 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image35_146.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image6_669.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Another entroduction
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Welcome back, Craig! I remember seeing pictures of your Air Camper and wondered whatever happened to it. You finished yours about the time I was starting to build mine. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CraigAho Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another entroduction Hello from Seattle, WA. I look forward to the Pietenpol Fellowship with my fellow builders. I have completed one Air Camper back in 1996 that took me a little over two years to build. I am now about 15 years into my second one but expect to speed up my building progress now that I am retired. I have a Fuselage, wing ribs, tail feathers and most all the fittings and a fresh C65/85 ready to go. My Air Camper NX40772 was sold about a year after completion to a couple of fellows in my area that enjoyed it untill it was destroyed in a Hanger fire that consumed 6 aircraft. I recieved all my original hardware and metal parts back which I have ready to reinstall on my new aircraft. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397617#397617 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image35_146.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image6_669.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: welcome Joe
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Welcome to the group Joe! You're lucky in that you have some good builders and awfully nice builders right around you and as you've already observed, you can usually get your question answered (eventually) on the list. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: ...and welcome Craig!
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Craig, When I bought my project in 02, it came with a stack of back issues and I've seen many a pic of your beautiful ship in those magazines. I always loved it and am excited you'll be producing another. What will this one be like? Same gear etc? Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some
time buildin
Date: Apr 02, 2013
wow I hope he knows he's one lucky kid. Gets to fly pops planes!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Bickers To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time buildin Guys, If any of you are heading to Frazier Lake for the West Coast Pietenpol fly-in in June from the San Luis Obispo area and wouldn't mind giving a ride to a college student, my son Kevin would doubtless jump at the chance to tag along. Some of you -- Gary, for instance -- may remember Kevin from past Brodhead fly-ins. He's the teenager that was flying the brown and cream Pacer every chance he got, at least when he wasn't bumming rides from guys with Pietenpols. He's now finishing his freshmen year at Cal Poly as an aerospace engineering major. Quick story about him. Two years ago when we arrived at Brodhead, he started unloading the Pacer as quickly as he could so that he could go for a flight without all our camping gear (or me) in it. He had gotten his license about six months prior, right after turning 17. One of the fellows there cautioned him that as hot and humid as it was the density altitude was probably 2500 ft. He said, 'yeah, I know. I've never flown that low.' For those that don't know, our field elevation here in Colorado is just over 5000. Density altitudes in the thin air in summer can easily reach 8 to 9 thousand feet He really hadn't flown that low. He's now got about 250 hours: 10 in tricycle airplanes, the rest in taildraggers, mostly in the Pacer. Let me know off-line if someone is heading that way and I'll pass along his contact information. Cheers, Ken On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Thanks guys! I am looking forward to Frazier Lake! It will be good to see everyone again. AND, there will be at least 2 NEW Piets there (will Mike let you ride in the front seat on the way over Vic ;-) Poor Charlie's won't be the only Piet there this year! I'm sure he got tired of wiping off all the drool from us Pieters in Progress... Thanks for the kind words. Feels good to make some progress... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397608#397608 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Varnish Temperature
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Charles, Minwax doesn't seem to publish a range of suitable application temperatures in their online literature, or on the can. However, the product most likely has been formulated to work best at or around "room temperature" (20C, 68F). Following is a link to a similar question posed on an online forum discussing the use of Helmsman Spar Urethane on canoe paddles, that may be of some assistance. http://www.bwca.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=forum.thread&threadId 7666&forumID=15&confID=1 Basically, I think you're going to have to wait a month or so, till the weather warms up a bit, before applying the varnish. On another note, I find that I also feel comfortable when Gary is wearing a sweater. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397638#397638 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Another entroduction
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Welcome back, Craig! The memory of #1 still lives on at www.westcoastpiet.com! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CraigAho Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 9:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another entroduction Hello from Seattle, WA. I look forward to the Pietenpol Fellowship with my fellow builders. I have completed one Air Camper back in 1996 that took me a little over two years to build. I am now about 15 years into my second one but expect to speed up my building progress now that I am retired. I have a Fuselage, wing ribs, tail feathers and most all the fittings and a fresh C65/85 ready to go. My Air Camper NX40772 was sold about a year after completion to a couple of fellows in my area that enjoyed it untill it was destroyed in a Hanger fire that consumed 6 aircraft. I recieved all my original hardware and metal parts back which I have ready to reinstall on my new aircraft. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397617#397617 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image35_146.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image6_669.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: satellite tracking devices
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
I love my SPOT. I take it everywhere. In the plane, On the motorcycle and in the RV. Great device. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397640#397640 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Varnish Temperature
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Actually Minwax does publish a min temp on their site under "basics of wood preparation" I just typed "temperature" into the search function on the home page. TEMPERATURE AND HUMIDITY All wood finishing products depend on evaporation during the drying process. Low air temperatures and high relative humidity slow evaporation and increase the length of time your wood project will remain tacky. Before starting your wood project, make sure the temperature will remain above 65 degrees and the humidity around 50% during both application and the drying process. I think Bill's recommendation of "around room temp" would probably work for nearly all products. Lager yeast being the only exception I can think of, unless you want a steam style beer... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397642#397642 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: satellite tracking devices
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
The SPOT is all I've used, Douwe, but it works great. I have my personal one and have bought several for crews at work. I rarely fly, personally or professionally, without one. I've been told there are devices that are more aviation-centric but I don't know anything about them. Didn't really answer your question but it's more data for you. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee Rebuilding NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397643#397643 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Varnish Temperature
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
The boat guys seem to use Epifane, which has this on their site... When applying one-component products, the minimum application and surface temperature should be no less than 40 F. (5 C). Two- component products should not be applied in temperatures under 50- 55 F. (10-12 C). During application, the relative humidity should not exceed 85%. When applying two-component products, a maximum humidity level of 70% should be observed. Application of paint in conditions above or below these levels may have repercussions on the drying and hardening qualities of the product. The minimum temperature of the object to be painted should be 5 F. (3 C.) above the point of condensation. Is it colder than 40 deg in the shop? Seems like this stuff should work pretty good. Many people point out that the issue with colder temps is condensation, which can definitely blush the finish, not so important if the varnish is for properties rather than show, as in the inside of a wing or something. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397644#397644 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Varnish Temperature
Date: Apr 02, 2013
I find it curious that, if a manufacturer were concerned about application temps, they would bury the info on a website. Charles - Speaking anecdotally, and to your desire to get something done while awaiting the first blossoms of Spring, just last Friday night I re-varnished my prop with Minwax Spar Varnish Semi Satin. It was about 50 deg when I started and temps got down to 38 that night. Next morning it was ready for transportation to the hangar. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:41 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature Actually Minwax does publish a min temp on their site under "basics of wood preparation" I just typed "temperature" into the search function on the home page. TEMPERATURE AND HUMIDITY All wood finishing products depend on evaporation during the drying process. Low air temperatures and high relative humidity slow evaporation and increase the length of time your wood project will remain tacky. Before starting your wood project, make sure the temperature will remain above 65 degrees and the humidity around 50% during both application and the drying process. I think Bill's recommendation of "around room temp" would probably work for nearly all products. Lager yeast being the only exception I can think of, unless you want a steam style beer... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397642#397642 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Subject: Craig , new to list
Welcome back Craig---good to hear you're retired now and well along on your airplane! All the best, Mike C. from Ohio ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Craig , new to list
Welcome back Craig and welcome to the list Joe P! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another entroduction
From: "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Hey Craig, I remember flying up and looking at your ship before the fire. Good to hear you're back into building. aerocarjake is building near you and I have a Model-A version waiting for inspection down at Tacoma airport if you venture South sometime. Bill Sayre NX626E Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397651#397651 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Another entroduction
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Hello Bill=2C I would love to visit and take a look at your aircraft someti me. And if your up my way Stop by for coffee and a garage visit. Craig425-7 78-7650 > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another entroduction > From: billsayre(at)ymail.com > Date: Tue=2C 2 Apr 2013 08:10:36 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > Hey Craig=2C > > I remember flying up and looking at your ship before the fire. Good to h ear you're back into building. aerocarjake is building near you and I have a Model-A version waiting for inspection down at Tacoma airport if you ven ture South sometime. > > Bill Sayre > NX626E > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397651#397651 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: West coast Pieter's
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Pieter's How many of you would like to spend some time (one day or more) barnstorming around central CA after the Hollister gathering? It would be a fun time for all. I am interested, anyone else??? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397653#397653 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another entroduction
From: "CraigAho" <Soar561(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Thank you all for the Welcomes, It is especially nice to know that my Friend Mike Cuy is active on the list. I have already incorporated some features from Mikes aircraft with my current build as I had lots of pictures and diagrams Mike had shared with me while he and I were building. I have had the desire to build the split Axel gear but think I will stick with the straight Axel mainly because I still have all the parts and my fuselage fittings etc. are made for the wood gear. I would like to use brakes like the disc brakes on Mikes and will have to look through my old pictures and videos to remember how they are actuated. I think they are heel type? I will be building a little bit simpler this build with no upholstery etc. I will start taking pictures of my build for the list. I sure have enjoyed all the Beautiful Pietenpols that all of you have been building. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397654#397654 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Subject: before the wheel was invented
That was funny in the olden days when I looked thru my Pietenpol files (paper) a few months ago and I ran across all kinds of letters (hand written, not printed out) and photos, some of which were photos Craig sent to me to show me his progress on his Pietenpol. Those were the kind of photos where you took a roll of film to the drug store and actually had to wait an hour or a day or two to get prints. I'm amazed at how far we've come with technology when I look thru my files from the early to mid 1990's. And Craig---in case the other guys haven't mentioned it yet you just HAVE to check out Chris Tracy's Westcoast Piet site. There are a ZILLION photos of tons of Piet projects on there and completed Piets and many build-in-progress photos. This could keep a Piet enthusiast busy for hours and hours, just looking at all these great photos and ideas others have shared and Chris has been so kind to share----check it out when you get a chance. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/ Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Re: Varnish Temperature
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Ya I found it strange. I don't have to worry about it now because I brought the fuselage down into the warm basement..... Where there's a will there's a way:-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:19 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature > > I find it curious that, if a manufacturer were concerned about application > temps, they would bury the info on a website. > > Charles - Speaking anecdotally, and to your desire to get something done > while awaiting the first blossoms of Spring, just last Friday night I > re-varnished my prop with Minwax Spar Varnish Semi Satin. It was about 50 > deg when I started and temps got down to 38 that night. Next morning it > was > ready for transportation to the hangar. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:41 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Varnish Temperature > > > Actually Minwax does publish a min temp on their site under "basics of > wood > preparation" > > I just typed "temperature" into the search function on the home page. > > TEMPERATURE AND HUMIDITY > > All wood finishing products depend on evaporation during the drying > process. > Low air temperatures and high relative humidity slow evaporation and > increase the length of time your wood project will remain tacky. Before > starting your wood project, make sure the temperature will remain above 65 > degrees and the humidity around 50% during both application and the drying > process. > > I think Bill's recommendation of "around room temp" would probably work > for > nearly all products. Lager yeast being the only exception I can think of, > unless you want a steam style beer... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397642#397642 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ...and welcome Craig!
From: "CraigAho" <Soar561(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Thank you Douwe, I enjoy all your articles in the BPA newsletters. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397662#397662 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some
time buildin
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Mark I will be driving over again this year with the trunk full of ice chests ag ain. The plan is for Mandy to fly front seat with Mike. Looks like George will be flying with them in his piet as well. A great addition to the gro up. Thanks Looking forward to visitiing again. Vic NX414MV > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend so me time buildin > From: mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com > Date: Mon=2C 1 Apr 2013 19:09:43 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > om> > > Thanks guys! > > I am looking forward to Frazier Lake! It will be good to see everyone aga in. AND=2C there will be at least 2 NEW Piets there (will Mike let you ride in the front seat on the way over Vic =3B-) > > Poor Charlie's won't be the only Piet there this year! I'm sure he got ti red of wiping off all the drool from us Pieters in Progress... > > Thanks for the kind words. Feels good to make some progress... > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397608#397608 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: West coast Pieter's
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Would this be restricted to Pietenpols only? Mine is not ready, but would consider going along in my Waiex or Aeronca. Aeronca is NORCO, except hand-held. Ray Krause! SkyScout in progress Sent from my iPad On Apr 2, 2013, at 8:20 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > Pieter's > > How many of you would like to spend some time (one day or more) barnstorming around central CA after the Hollister gathering? It would be a fun time for all. I am interested, anyone else??? > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397653#397653 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West coast Pieter's
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
What did you have in mind? I have to work on that Monday ( that's the last week of school and as a teacher I can't be gone). But I'm planning on camping at the gathering so Sunday I still have open. Mike Groah Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2013, at 8:20 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > Pieter's > > How many of you would like to spend some time (one day or more) barnstorming around central CA after the Hollister gathering? It would be a fun time for all. I am interested, anyone else??? > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397653#397653 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West coast Pieter's
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Ray, It's not important what anyone fly's. It is all about the fun in doing it. If it fly's, it is welcome in my book. Just looking to have some fun and seeing new airports and people. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397669#397669 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West coast Pieter's
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Mike, All I have in mind is some more flying and more camping. Anything goes in my book. No real destinations in mind yet. Heck, just thinking out loud here, maybe we could fly to other builders local airports and visit their projects? just one idea. Take the gathering to their house. Do some pointing, snickering and wishing I had done that to my plane stuff. Other ideas are welcome, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397670#397670 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West coast Pieter's
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
That sounds like a lot of fun! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2013, at 11:04 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > Mike, > > All I have in mind is some more flying and more camping. Anything goes in my book. No real destinations in mind yet. Heck, just thinking out loud here, maybe we could fly to other builders local airports and visit their projects? just one idea. Take the gathering to their house. Do some pointing, snickering and wishing I had done that to my plane stuff. > > Other ideas are welcome, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397670#397670 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Rich" <m.rich2(at)verizon.net>
Subject: New Builder just starting
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Hello everyone, my name is Mike Rich from the Dallas Tx. area. A little about me. I have researched for the past two years many different aircraft that would be a good build starting with a Piet,and ending with a Piet. I've been in model aviation for 25 years winning some scale contest and have been around full scale aviation since I was a boy with my father and brother. They kept nagging me,"When are you going to get your license and start flying for real" ? Well I finally did, but there's still something missing. I'm not building anything and it's driving me nuts!! So I joined the EAA,BPA ect. and was told this was the place to get advice if I want to build a Pietenpol Air Camper. Everyone in the Piet community has been very nice and down to earth...I love it. I feel I'm finally with the right group of aviators. I have thus far built a mockup from "Flying and Glider" to see how I would fit, bought all the Benglis books ect.So with that said, I need to order plans now. I'm 6'3" at 240 lbs. and I know I will need the longest fuse/ supplemental plans but I'm not sure about the rest. Do I order the whole shabang or just parts of it? Please advise,thanks. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Builder Introduction
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Welcome Joe! Like Gary said... be sure to get in touch with the good folks at www.flycorvair.com if you haven't already. Also, another excellent site that you may already know about is Chris Tracy's www.westcoastpiet.com Be sure to keep us posted on your progress! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397684#397684 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Builder just starting
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Wow, off to a great start, welcome aboard! First, you ought to know folks are going to hound you to death if you don't at least post a few pics of the mockup! That's a great idea. Insofar as plans, I bought the whole shebang, and I'm pretty sure a lot of guys do, just for the heck of it. Seems there's some little detail in each drawing that's useful. Or someone will reference this or that, and you'll want to know what's going on. That being said, you really don't NEED any more than the FGM details... but all in all, it's not that much more money and from what I can tell about how you've attacked this project so far, I'd say go for it and even see if you can get a couple of drawings from Ken Perkins (details on building horns) and something else that I forget at the moment. As straight forward as this plane is, there's still TONS of details you'll need to be making decisions on (engines, airfoils, landing gear design, wheels, brakes, wing cutouts, front doors, etc). Some are easily changed later, others are not. The best advice I can think of at this point is to get your eyes and carcass INTO every Piet you can. Ask around, ask if you can climb in, sit there and make airplane noises, as much as possible. It seems EVERY Piet you'll see, has some detail that will catch your attention. Take LOTS of notes and pictures, put together a notebook. Go find local owners and builders. There's lots of details under the covering, so visiting folks at all stages of building holds as much value as seeing completed planes. Brodhead is highly recommended the weekend before Oshkosh, lots of eye candy and knowledgeable folks. No matter the variant, there's still lots of parts that are the same no matter what, so you'll have lots to do while deciding the rest. Like all elephants, this one is best eaten one bite at a time! Cheers! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397685#397685 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Builder just starting
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Welcome Mike! Like tools said... get the whole shebang. As others have recently mentioned, www.westcoastpiet.com is a great resource too. Keep us posted! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397690#397690 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Snf
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Hey all I am leaving from St. Paul, Mn. going to Sun n Fun for all of the new people on the list since last year stop in at the wood workshop. Again the dates of the show this year will be April 9-15. We will be building a Pietenpol fuselage, also building wing ribs and working on a center section for a Piet. I hope we can meet lots of builders there. Dick N. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Rich" <m.rich2(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: New Builder just starting
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Hey thanks for the advise, all the decisions to make is part of the fun of it, you know eat sleep and breath it, drive your wife nuts talkin about it. Got some help so far from some really nice men, Mike Cuy,Bill Rewey,Chuck Gantzer, Hans Vandorvoort, and Mark C. in OK. He's a big man too you know. I mean BIG! ----- Original Message ----- From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 3:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Builder just starting > > Wow, off to a great start, welcome aboard! > > First, you ought to know folks are going to hound you to death if you > don't at least post a few pics of the mockup! That's a great idea. > > Insofar as plans, I bought the whole shebang, and I'm pretty sure a lot of > guys do, just for the heck of it. Seems there's some little detail in > each drawing that's useful. Or someone will reference this or that, and > you'll want to know what's going on. > > That being said, you really don't NEED any more than the FGM details... > but all in all, it's not that much more money and from what I can tell > about how you've attacked this project so far, I'd say go for it and even > see if you can get a couple of drawings from Ken Perkins (details on > building horns) and something else that I forget at the moment. > > As straight forward as this plane is, there's still TONS of details you'll > need to be making decisions on (engines, airfoils, landing gear design, > wheels, brakes, wing cutouts, front doors, etc). Some are easily changed > later, others are not. The best advice I can think of at this point is to > get your eyes and carcass INTO every Piet you can. Ask around, ask if you > can climb in, sit there and make airplane noises, as much as possible. > > It seems EVERY Piet you'll see, has some detail that will catch your > attention. Take LOTS of notes and pictures, put together a notebook. > > Go find local owners and builders. There's lots of details under the > covering, so visiting folks at all stages of building holds as much value > as seeing completed planes. > > Brodhead is highly recommended the weekend before Oshkosh, lots of eye > candy and knowledgeable folks. > > No matter the variant, there's still lots of parts that are the same no > matter what, so you'll have lots to do while deciding the rest. Like all > elephants, this one is best eaten one bite at a time! > > Cheers! > > Tools > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397685#397685 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Rich" <m.rich2(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: New Builder just starting
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Will do thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 4:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Builder just starting > > Welcome Mike! > > Like tools said... get the whole shebang. As others have recently > mentioned, www.westcoastpiet.com is a great resource too. > > Keep us posted! > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on > Landing Gear > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397690#397690 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2013
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Snf
I'll be there with Dick all week too. Ben Charvet On 4/2/2013 5:09 PM, Dick N wrote: > Hey all > I am leaving from St. Paul, Mn. going to Sun n Fun for all of the new > people on the list since last year stop in at the wood workshop. > Again the dates of the show this year will be April 9-15. > We will be building a Pietenpol fuselage, also building wing ribs and > working on a center section for a Piet. I hope we can meet lots of > builders there. > Dick N. > * > > > * -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2013
From: Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Snf
Dick,=0A=0AI work near by, you can give me a call if you need any help when you are in town.=0A=0ARyan Michalkiewicz=0A863-258-2599=0A=0A=0A__________ ______________________=0A From: Dick N <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>=0ATo: piet enpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:09 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Snf=0A =0A=0A =0AHey all =0AI am leaving from St. Paul, Mn . going to Sun n Fun =0Afor all of the new people on the list since last ye ar stop in at the wood =0Aworkshop.- Again the dates of the show this yea r will be April =0A9-15.=0AWe will be building a Pietenpol fuselage,- =0A also building wing ribs and working on a center section for a Piet.- I ho ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Subject: Welcome to Mike Rich from Dallas
Good to see you on the list Mike and I'm not sure what you're talking about these fellas being nice and down to earth......they are a bunch of four-flushers and nudnicks:) ! Seriously, they are a good grou p of people and very helpful. We have builders and Piet enthusiasts from all walks of life from retired F -16 pilots and airline pilots to hang glider pilots and everything in between. We have the spectrum of engineers, worker bees, and you name it for career backgrounds and experience. I'm always amazed at who I meet on the list and when you get to know them you wonder "gosh....someone who flies 747's wants to build a Pietenpol for fun flying? Yep. Lots of them and guys like me who have never gone a ny further than having a simple private pilot license you'll find here. Sometimes you get great advice, sometimes you get lousy advice but when the lousy (or accidentally in error) advice comes up usually it will be duly noted but generally in a friendly and uplifting way. Somet imes not but that is the exception. And Mike.....one word of advice. To understand what is being said sometim es you have to know quotes from two aviation movies---The Great Waldo Pepper and Airplane. Things will make more sense when you see spastic quotes out of nowhere on the list then if you know these two movies which you prolly already do. And lastly, when in doubt do it like my Uncle Tony (Bingelis) suggests jus t to be on the safe side. Before Al Gore invented the Internet I relied FULLY on what Tony's books told me were sound and good building practices a nd you just can't go wrong with his advice as far as homebuilt airplanes go. Mike C. in Ohio [cid:image001.jpg(at)01CE2FCF.69A21A10] ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Rich" <m.rich2(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Welcome to Mike Rich from Dallas
Date: Apr 02, 2013
That's advice well taken Mike, thanks. Hey I had question for you, in your DVD I didn't see the leather on the turtle deck. Did you add that to keep from scuffing up the paint getting in and out ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welcome to Mike Rich from Dallas Good to see you on the list Mike and I'm not sure what you're talking about these fellas being nice and down to earth..they are a bunch of four-flushers and nudnicksJ ! Seriously, they are a good group of people and very helpful. We have builders and Piet enthusiasts from all walks of life from retired F-16 pilots and airline pilots to hang glider pilots and everything in between. We have the spectrum of engineers, worker bees, and you name it for career backgrounds and experience. I'm always amazed at who I meet on the list and when you get to know them you wonder "gosh..someone who flies 747's wants to build a Pietenpol for fun flying? Yep. Lots of them and guys like me who have never gone any further than having a simple private pilot license you'll find here. Sometimes you get great advice, sometimes you get lousy advice but when the lousy (or accidentally in error) advice comes up usually it will be duly noted but generally in a friendly and uplifting way. Sometimes not but that is the exception. And Mike...one word of advice. To understand what is being said sometimes you have to know quotes from two aviation movies---The Great Waldo Pepper and Airplane. Things will make more sense when you see spastic quotes out of nowhere on the list then if you know these two movies which you prolly already do. And lastly, when in doubt do it like my Uncle Tony (Bingelis) suggests just to be on the safe side. Before Al Gore invented the Internet I relied FULLY on what Tony's books told me were sound and good building practices and you just can't go wrong with his advice as far as homebuilt airplanes go. Mike C. in Ohio ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2013
From: Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Snf
for that matter, my offer also goes to my other Piet flying friends too.=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Ryan M <aircamperace@yahoo. com>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" =0ASent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:58 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Snf =0A =0A=0ADick,=0A=0AI work near by, you can give me a call if you need any help when you are in town.=0A=0ARyan Michalkiewicz=0A863-258-2599=0A=0A=0A ________________________________=0A From: Dick N <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:09 PM =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Snf=0A =0A=0A =0AHey all =0AI am leaving from S t. Paul, Mn. going to Sun n Fun =0Afor all of the new people on the list si nce last year stop in at the wood =0Aworkshop.- Again the dates of the sh ow this year will be April =0A9-15.=0AWe will be building a Pietenpol fusel age,- =0Aalso building wing ribs and working on a center section for a Pi =============== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: West coast Pieter's
Date: Apr 02, 2013
"Count me IN, even though I ain't got no head gear!" Ray's going to make us look bad in his Waiex... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:42 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West coast Pieter's --> < raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> Would this be restricted to Pietenpols only? Mine is not ready, but would consider going along in my Waiex or Aeronca. Aeronca is NORCO, except hand-held. Ray Krause! SkyScout in progress Sent from my iPad On Apr 2, 2013, at 8:20 AM, "AircamperN11MS" < Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> wrote: > --> < Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> > > Pieter's > > How many of you would like to spend some time (one day or more) barnstorming around central CA after the Hollister gathering? It would be a fun time for all. I am interested, anyone else??? > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397653#397653> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397653#397653 > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Welcome to Mike Rich from Dallas
Date: Apr 02, 2013
"THESE ARE GOOD PEOPLE, AXEL!!" Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welcome to Mike Rich from Dallas Good to see you on the list Mike and I'm not sure what you're talking about these fellas being nice and down to earth..they are a bunch of four-flushers and nudnicksJ ! Seriously, they are a good group of people and very helpful. We have builders and Piet enthusiasts from all walks of life from retired F-16 pilots and airline pilots to hang glider pilots and everything in between. We have the spectrum of engineers, worker bees, and you name it for career backgrounds and experience. I'm always amazed at who I meet on the list and when you get to know them you wonder "gosh..someone who flies 747's wants to build a Pietenpol for fun flying? Yep. Lots of them and guys like me who have never gone any further than having a simple private pilot license you'll find here. Sometimes you get great advice, sometimes you get lousy advice but when the lousy (or accidentally in error) advice comes up usually it will be duly noted but generally in a friendly and uplifting way. Sometimes not but that is the exception. And Mike...one word of advice. To understand what is being said sometimes you have to know quotes from two aviation movies---The Great Waldo Pepper and Airplane. Things will make more sense when you see spastic quotes out of nowhere on the list then if you know these two movies which you prolly already do. And lastly, when in doubt do it like my Uncle Tony (Bingelis) suggests just to be on the safe side. Before Al Gore invented the Internet I relied FULLY on what Tony's books told me were sound and good building practices and you just can't go wrong with his advice as far as homebuilt airplanes go. Mike C. in Ohio Description: http://www.eaa.org/homebuilders/programs/images/bingelis.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Snf
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Thanks, I should have also mensioned Skip Gadd and Dave Aldrich will also be there. Thanks Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan M To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Snf for that matter, my offer also goes to my other Piet flying friends too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:58 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Snf Dick, I work near by, you can give me a call if you need any help when you are in town. Ryan Michalkiewicz 863-258-2599 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Dick N <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 5:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Snf Hey all I am leaving from St. Paul, Mn. going to Sun n Fun for all of the new people on the list since last year stop in at the wood workshop. Again the dates of the show this year will be April 9-15. We will be building a Pietenpol fuselage, also building wing ribs and working on a center section for a Piet. I hope we can meet lots of builders there. Dick N. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West coast Pieter's
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Yeah. I'm looking forward to seeing the waiex again. He did an awesome job . I'm sure his sky scout will look just as good. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > "Count me IN, even though I ain't got no head gear!" > > Ray's going to make us look bad in his Waiex... > > > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:42 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West coast Pieter's > > --> > > Would this be restricted to Pietenpols only? Mine is not ready, but woul d consider going along in my Waiex or Aeronca. Aeronca is NORCO, except han d-held. > > Ray Krause! > > SkyScout in progress > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 2, 2013, at 8:20 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wr ote: > > > --> > > > > Pieter's > > > > How many of you would like to spend some time (one day or more) barnstor ming around central CA after the Hollister gathering? It would be a fun ti me for all. I am interested, anyone else??? > > > > -------- > > Scott Liefeld > > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > > Steel Tube > > C-85-12 > > Wire Wheels > > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397653#397653 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: satellite tracking devices
From: "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Hello All - I'm a Newbie to the wonderful world of Pietenpols. I am in the process of purchasing N687MB out of Sarasota. We do the ferry flight on the tail end of Sun-n-Fun back to Culpeper Virginia. I'm no stranger to tail draggers - been flying them for years for fun and in for even more fun at the Flying Circus in Bealeton Virginia (www.flyingcircusairshow.com) I owned a Maule for about 10 years. Gotta tell you - I am excited about my new Piet. I've since learned that there are several Piets in the local area and that I am hoping to hook up with them for the July run to Brodhead. I've been doing a lot of research on the satellite tracking devices. Out of all them, I like the The Spot Generation 2 (http://www.findmespot.com/en/) the best. It is a little pricey ($99 for the HW; $99 for the annual Service Plan; $50 for real-time tracking). There is a very detailed review on Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/SPOT-Satellite-GPS-Messenger-unit/product-reviews/B002PHRDQU/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1) By S. Brooks "N22Tango" (Central, TEXAS). I spent an hour or so on the phone with Customer Support discussing the review and asking questions. The review was in 2010 and a lot has changed since then. What I walked away with is that the Spot Connect $149 (http://www.findmespot.com/en/index.php?cid=116) which is a little black box about the size of a MiFi solves most of the complaints about the G2. As added bonus, you have more capabilities as you do everything using a SmartPhone. For me - this is a winning solution. I ordered one and will report back on how it works out. We'll be using it to track the ferry flight from Sarasota to Culpeper on April 15-16. -------- Jim McWhorter N687M (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397704#397704 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/spot_connect__smartphone_965.png ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: satellite tracking devices
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Welcome Jim! All sorts of Pietenpolers are welcomed here: Builders, owner/pilots, dreamers.... You bought 'Mr. Sam'? http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Mr.%20Sam/images/mr_sam.jpg Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fun2av8 Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: satellite tracking devices iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> Hello All - I'm a Newbie to the wonderful world of Pietenpols. I am in the process of purchasing N687MB out of Sarasota. We do the ferry flight on the tail end of Sun-n-Fun back to Culpeper Virginia. I'm no stranger to tail draggers - been flying them for years for fun and in for even more fun at the Flying Circus in Bealeton Virginia ( <http://www.flyingcircusairshow.com> www.flyingcircusairshow.com) I owned a Maule for about 10 years. Gotta tell you - I am excited about my new Piet. I've since learned that there are several Piets in the local area and that I am hoping to hook up with them for the July run to Brodhead. I've been doing a lot of research on the satellite tracking devices. Out of all them, I like the The Spot Generation 2 ( <http://www.findmespot.com/en/> http://www.findmespot.com/en/) the best. It is a little pricey ($99 for the HW; $99 for the annual Service Plan; $50 for real-time tracking). There is a very detailed review on Amazon.com ( <http://www.amazon.com/SPOT-Satellite-GPS-Messenger-unit/product-reviews/B00 2PHRDQU/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1> http://www.amazon.com/SPOT-Satellite-GPS-Messenger-unit/product-reviews/B002 PHRDQU/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1) By S. Brooks "N22Tango" (Central, TEXAS). I spent an hour or so on the phone with Customer Support discussing the review and asking questions. The review was in 2010 and a lot has changed since then. What I walked away with is that the Spot Connect $149 ( <http://www.findmespot.com/en/index.php?cid=116> http://www.findmespot.com/en/index.php?cid=116) which is a little black box about the size of a MiFi solves most of the complaints about the G2. As added bonus, you have more capabilities as you do everything using a SmartPhone. For me - this is a winning solution. I ordered one and wi! ll report back on how it works out. We'll be using it to track the ferry flight from Sarasota to Culpeper on April 15-16. -------- Jim McWhorter N687M (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397704#397704> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397704#397704 Attachments: <http://forums.matronics.com/files/spot_connect__smartphone_965.png> http://forums.matronics.com//files/spot_connect__smartphone_965.png http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: West coast Pieter's
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Ok, then count me as in, depending on times, etc. Thank, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Apr 2, 2013, at 10:59 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > Ray, > > It's not important what anyone fly's. It is all about the fun in doing it. If it fly's, it is welcome in my book. Just looking to have some fun and seeing new airports and people. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397669#397669 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Builder Introduction
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Hey Joe, I'm a couple hours up the street in Chickamauga GA (near Chatt TN) and have a Piet (short fuse, one piece wing, a65) built by Dick Navatril. I'm also building one. I've got lots of shop resources if you need help (welders, wood working stuff, machine shop) or just need to borrow or use something, you're more than welcome. Also have a good Piet trailer (it's 32' long and can be towed safely by anything with a hitch) if you build a one piece wing. cell: 423 580 1383 email: n0kkj(at)yahoo.com Tools (aka Mike Danford) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397707#397707 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time
building
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
I'm assuming that what you've got going on with the starboard side fuselage framing is the Kerri Ann Price drop-down passenger door mod? Can't imagine what else all that wood is needed for in that location. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397708#397708 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time
building
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Yes sir! She saw the door on Charlie Miller's Piet and said "I want a door too!" (To be said in a slightly pouty, lower lip puckered out voice) I had already built the side, so I made some quick changes and will cut the top stringer late in the game... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397709#397709 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West coast Pieter's
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Hey guys... Plan a flight to Sierra Skypark, and I'll pick you upand drive you to see my project, then take you back to the airport to fly to your next stop... Just a thought. No hurt feelings if it doesn't work or you chose Monterey or SLO :D Those places would be fun too... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397710#397710 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: What you can accomplish if you just spend some time
buildin
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 02, 2013
Woo Hoo! Counting the days Vic! I hope to help with the prep stuff one of these years.... You and the Millers are great folks!! (Well, Mike too!) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397712#397712 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Builder just starting
From: "caldwrl" <caldwrl(at)etex.net>
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Welcome to the world of Pietenpol builders, Mike. You have received lots of advice from the list, so I won't waste your time repeating all that good stuff. I am currently in the building process so when you want to venture out and see Piets in the area, put me on your list. I live at Holly Lake Ranch, about 100 clicks east of Dallas. We can discuss my build anytime you want and you are welcome to come visit and put your hands and eyes on it. I have found that seeing an Air Camper up close, either being built or already flying, is the most educational and motivating thing you can do. Feel free to contact me off-list if you want. -------- Robert Caldwell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397718#397718 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: satellite tracking devices
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Welcome Jim, I remember that airplane. I had seen it at Brodhead back in 1996. I think it was from the new england states back in the day. I think you found yourself a good one. Happy landings, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397721#397721 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West coast Pieter's
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Ok, I see I am going to have to find my SFO chart and start marking out the requested stops and see where that leaves us. I'll start marking the destinations and then we can connect the dots at the gathering. We'll just figure it out as it moves along. Keep the ideas coming. Looking forward to it. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397722#397722 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Flight
From: "CraigAho" <Soar561(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Beautiful. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397747#397747 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
From: "CraigAho" <Soar561(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Apr 03, 2013
What a nice Pietenpol you have there and the photo of the Gear is helpful since I am trying to reassemble my old gear fittings to new wood. I need to use a new method of preventing Axel rotation as my original method worked but not the best way in hind sight. My original Axel is also bent so I will either have to find some way to straighten or just buy new steel. Do you have any close up shots of your Axel assy. Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397748#397748 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Craig, My axle did not start out this way. The first brake linings I had were barely functional, and I had a steel tube running through the ash block to serve as a an anti-rotation device. Dan Helsper led me to better brake linings through McMaster-Carr, and they worked so well that on the first taxi test they ripped the tubes right out, wrapped up my brake cables around the axle, ripping them out of the heel brake connections! The hole thru my axle already existed, as that holds the actual wheel axle in place, and I did not want to remove the bungees at this time. So, I came up with the pictured bolt-on application. It's hell-for-strong!! Before that axle ever rotates again, the entire gear will be gone! Let me know if the you need any info about this set-up. It's not elegant, but it will suffice until the bungees need replacing and I have chance to do something else (or not). Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CraigAho Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats What a nice Pietenpol you have there and the photo of the Gear is helpful since I am trying to reassemble my old gear fittings to new wood. I need to use a new method of preventing Axel rotation as my original method worked but not the best way in hind sight. My original Axel is also bent so I will either have to find some way to straighten or just buy new steel. Do you have any close up shots of your Axel assy. Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397748#397748 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: West coast Pieter's
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Thanks, Mike. The SkyScout is a whole different story and medium for me. I t hought working with wood would be easy and more familiar than working with a luminum, and it has been. But the metal (steel) work is a real learning pro cess! It has certainly slowed me down. If the Barnstorming Tour materializes , plan on a visit to Colusa to check on my progress on my SkyScout. We coul d put most, if not all, of the group up here at my place. Maybe you fellas c an make some metal parts for me while you are here! Then we can visit Gary' s Lincoln lair and see what he is up to! There is also supposed to be a Pie tenpol in Oroville, but I have not seen it. There is also one in Chico. Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Apr 2, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Michael Groah wrote: > Yeah. I'm looking forward to seeing the waiex again. He did an awesome j ob. I'm sure his sky scout will look just as good. > > Mike > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 2, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > >> "Count me IN, even though I ain't got no head gear!" >> >> Ray's going to make us look bad in his Waiex... >> >> >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l ist-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause >> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:42 AM >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West coast Pieter's >> >> --> >> >> Would this be restricted to Pietenpols only? Mine is not ready, but wou ld consider going along in my Waiex or Aeronca. Aeronca is NORCO, except ha nd-held. >> >> Ray Krause! >> >> SkyScout in progress >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 2, 2013, at 8:20 AM, "AircamperN11MS" w rote: >> >> > --> >> > >> > Pieter's >> > >> > How many of you would like to spend some time (one day or more) barnsto rming around central CA after the Hollister gathering? It would be a fun t ime for all. I am interested, anyone else??? >> > >> > -------- >> > Scott Liefeld >> > Flying N11MS since March 1972 >> > Steel Tube >> > C-85-12 >> > Wire Wheels >> > Brodhead in 1996 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397653#397653 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> >> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: West coast Pieter's
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Gary, I usually charge a royalty fee for the use of such "un-official" photos, bu t I will let it slip this time; since it makes me look younger than I reall y am! Ray Sent from my iPad On Apr 2, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > "Count me IN, even though I ain't got no head gear!" > > Ray's going to make us look bad in his Waiex... > > > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:42 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West coast Pieter's > > --> > > Would this be restricted to Pietenpols only? Mine is not ready, but woul d consider going along in my Waiex or Aeronca. Aeronca is NORCO, except han d-held. > > Ray Krause! > > SkyScout in progress > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 2, 2013, at 8:20 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wr ote: > > > --> > > > > Pieter's > > > > How many of you would like to spend some time (one day or more) barnstor ming around central CA after the Hollister gathering? It would be a fun ti me for all. I am interested, anyone else??? > > > > -------- > > Scott Liefeld > > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > > Steel Tube > > C-85-12 > > Wire Wheels > > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397653#397653 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: West coast Pieter's
Date: Apr 03, 2013
It was taken 4 yrs ago! I=99ll bet your Waiex looks exactly the same, thoughand that=99s what really matters! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 10:59 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West coast Pieter's Gary, I usually charge a royalty fee for the use of such "un-official" photos, but I will let it slip this time; since it makes me look younger than I really am! Ray Sent from my iPad On Apr 2, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: "Count me IN, even though I ain't got no head gear!" Ray's going to make us look bad in his Waiex... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:42 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West coast Pieter's --> < raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> Would this be restricted to Pietenpols only? Mine is not ready, but would consider going along in my Waiex or Aeronca. Aeronca is NORCO, except hand-held. Ray Krause! SkyScout in progress Sent from my iPad On Apr 2, 2013, at 8:20 AM, "AircamperN11MS" < Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> wrote: > --> < Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> > > Pieter's > > How many of you would like to spend some time (one day or more) barnstorming around central CA after the Hollister gathering? It would be a fun time for all. I am interested, anyone else??? > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397653#397653> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397653#397653 > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Thanks Gary=2C Interesting setup and definitly looks strong. The one I had on my old ship was rather crude but with the marginal drum brakes it worked . I have always thought I would go with the setup like Mike Cuy's. I will d o some more study before I decide. I certainly would like to make the Piet Fly in and will consider it. Thanks again. Craig > From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats > Date: Wed=2C 3 Apr 2013 09:59:22 -0700 > > Craig=2C > > My axle did not start out this way. The first brake linings I had were > barely functional=2C and I had a steel tube running through the ash block to > serve as a an anti-rotation device. Dan Helsper led me to better brake > linings through McMaster-Carr=2C and they worked so well that on the firs t > taxi test they ripped the tubes right out=2C wrapped up my brake cables a round > the axle=2C ripping them out of the heel brake connections! > > The hole thru my axle already existed=2C as that holds the actual wheel a xle > in place=2C and I did not want to remove the bungees at this time. So=2C I came > up with the pictured bolt-on application. It's hell-for-strong!! Before t hat > axle ever rotates again=2C the entire gear will be gone! > > Let me know if the you need any info about this set-up. It's not elegant =2C > but it will suffice until the bungees need replacing and I have chance to do > something else (or not). > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CraigAho > Sent: Wednesday=2C April 03=2C 2013 9:25 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats > > > What a nice Pietenpol you have there and the photo of the Gear is helpful > since I am trying to reassemble my old gear fittings to new wood. I need to > use a new method of preventing Axel rotation as my original method worked > but not the best way in hind sight. My original Axel is also bent so I wi ll > either have to find some way to straighten or just buy new steel. Do you > have any close up shots of your Axel assy. > > Craig > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397748#397748 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West coast Pieter's
From: "Tim70" <tdwall(at)comcast.net>
Date: Apr 03, 2013
West coast pieters, Guess its time to end being a lurker. Yes Ray I have a piet here in Oroville My name is Tim Wall and Gary and Chris I have met. I'm working to finish covering tail feathers and fuse on 'original' piet with corvair power. John Watson built a piet in Chico in 2001 and he and his son keep it at chico muni I think. There is a fellow in Red Bluff and another in Quincy. both I've talked with. I also have room for up to six "barnstormers" here at my home. I'll post pics soon. See you all at Frazier Lake! Tim Wall Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397768#397768 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 03, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: West coast Pieter's
Hi Scott and all; If you should wander North as far as Sonoma county there are several spots you all could visit; mine in Santa Rosa, Darrel in Sonoma Skypark, Walt I think is now in Gnoss field and of course now Gary is at lincoln with Mike Weaver building, Kevin McDonald is at Nut Tree airport with his Model A Piet. It goes on and on. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: West coast Pieter's
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Ah...Yes! They all come out of the closet eventually... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim70 Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:33 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West coast Pieter's West coast pieters, Guess its time to end being a lurker. Yes Ray I have a piet here in Oroville My name is Tim Wall and Gary and Chris I have met. I'm working to finish covering tail feathers and fuse on 'original' piet with corvair power. John Watson built a piet in Chico in 2001 and he and his son keep it at chico muni I think. There is a fellow in Red Bluff and another in Quincy. both I've talked with. I also have room for up to six "barnstormers" here at my home. I'll post pics soon. See you all at Frazier Lake! Tim Wall Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397768#397768 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
From: John Egan <1smilingmoon(at)gmail.com>
Gary, Regarding your pony (band) brakes, would you share the type of brake lining material you bought from McMaster-Carr? How do they hold during run up with this lining, and would you use a different friction lining if you were to do it again? Thanks so much, John Egan Greenville, Wi Thinking about covering some parts this summer - if it ever warms up here... On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Craig, > > My axle did not start out this way. The first brake linings I had were > barely functional, and I had a steel tube running through the ash block to > serve as a an anti-rotation device. Dan Helsper led me to better brake > linings through McMaster-Carr, and they worked so well that on the first > taxi test they ripped the tubes right out, wrapped up my brake cables > around > the axle, ripping them out of the heel brake connections! > > The hole thru my axle already existed, as that holds the actual wheel axle > in place, and I did not want to remove the bungees at this time. So, I came > up with the pictured bolt-on application. It's hell-for-strong!! Before > that > axle ever rotates again, the entire gear will be gone! > > Let me know if the you need any info about this set-up. It's not elegant, > but it will suffice until the bungees need replacing and I have chance to > do > something else (or not). > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CraigAho > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:25 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats > > > What a nice Pietenpol you have there and the photo of the Gear is helpful > since I am trying to reassemble my old gear fittings to new wood. I need to > use a new method of preventing Axel rotation as my original method worked > but not the best way in hind sight. My original Axel is also bent so I will > either have to find some way to straighten or just buy new steel. Do you > have any close up shots of your Axel assy. > > Craig > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397748#397748 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Hi John, McMaster-Carr PN- <http://www.mcmaster.com/#6224K348> 6224K348. When you get into the brake lining section on their website, you can find all sorts of widths, thicknesses and friction ratings. My brakes are simply cable actuated go-kart band brakes. As originally installed, they would not hold over about 800 rpm. I removed all the old lining and glued in the new linings. I can now run up to 1800 rpm and do a normal run-up!! For large wheels and heel brakes, I think that is excellent! Best wishes on your covering. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats Gary, Regarding your pony (band) brakes, would you share the type of brake lining material you bought from McMaster-Carr? How do they hold during run up with this lining, and would you use a different friction lining if you were to do it again? Thanks so much, John Egan Greenville, Wi Thinking about covering some parts this summer - if it ever warms up here... On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: Craig, My axle did not start out this way. The first brake linings I had were barely functional, and I had a steel tube running through the ash block to serve as a an anti-rotation device. Dan Helsper led me to better brake linings through McMaster-Carr, and they worked so well that on the first taxi test they ripped the tubes right out, wrapped up my brake cables around the axle, ripping them out of the heel brake connections! The hole thru my axle already existed, as that holds the actual wheel axle in place, and I did not want to remove the bungees at this time. So, I came up with the pictured bolt-on application. It's hell-for-strong!! Before that axle ever rotates again, the entire gear will be gone! Let me know if the you need any info about this set-up. It's not elegant, but it will suffice until the bungees need replacing and I have chance to do something else (or not). Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CraigAho Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats What a nice Pietenpol you have there and the photo of the Gear is helpful since I am trying to reassemble my old gear fittings to new wood. I need to use a new method of preventing Axel rotation as my original method worked but not the best way in hind sight. My original Axel is also bent so I will either have to find some way to straighten or just buy new steel. Do you have any close up shots of your Axel assy. Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397748#397748 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Gary, I also have installed cable operated band brakes (the ones sold by Aircraft Spruce). They don't seem to hold very well, though all the experiments have been using a two-man powered "motor." My question is the orientation of your band brakes. Do you have them positioned so that they are self-actuating when the airplane is trying to move forward? Or, the reverse, such that that you don't have to worry about them accidentally trying to self-actuate? I have mine oriented in the latter position and am wondering if I should flip them around. Thanks, Ken On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Hi John,**** > > ** ** > > McMaster-Carr PN- 6224K348 <http://www.mcmaster.com/#6224K348>. When you > get into the brake lining section on their website, you can find all sort s > of widths, thicknesses and friction ratings. My brakes are simply cable > actuated go-kart band brakes. As originally installed, they would not hol d > over about 800 rpm. I removed all the old lining and glued in the new > linings. I can now run up to 1800 rpm and do a normal run-up!! For large > wheels and heel brakes, I think that is excellent!**** > > ** ** > > Best wishes on your covering=85**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Gary Boothe**** > > NX308MB**** > > ** ** > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Egan > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:21 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats**** > > ** ** > > Gary,**** > > **** > > Regarding your pony (band) brakes, would you share the type of brake > lining material you bought from McMaster-Carr? How do they hold during r un > up with this lining, and would you use a different friction lining if you > were to do it again?**** > > **** > > Thanks so much,**** > > **** > > John Egan**** > > Greenville, Wi**** > > Thinking about covering some parts this summer - if it ever warms up > here...**** > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Gary Boothe wrote : > **** > > Craig, > > My axle did not start out this way. The first brake linings I had were > barely functional, and I had a steel tube running through the ash block t o > serve as a an anti-rotation device. Dan Helsper led me to better brake > linings through McMaster-Carr, and they worked so well that on the first > taxi test they ripped the tubes right out, wrapped up my brake cables > around > the axle, ripping them out of the heel brake connections! > > The hole thru my axle already existed, as that holds the actual wheel axl e > in place, and I did not want to remove the bungees at this time. So, I ca me > up with the pictured bolt-on application. It's hell-for-strong!! Before > that > axle ever rotates again, the entire gear will be gone! > > Let me know if the you need any info about this set-up. It's not elegant, > but it will suffice until the bungees need replacing and I have chance to > do > something else (or not). > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CraigAho > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:25 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats > > > What a nice Pietenpol you have there and the photo of the Gear is helpful > since I am trying to reassemble my old gear fittings to new wood. I need to > use a new method of preventing Axel rotation as my original method worked > but not the best way in hind sight. My original Axel is also bent so I wi ll > either have to find some way to straighten or just buy new steel. Do you > have any close up shots of your Axel assy. > > Craig > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397748#397748 > > > **** > > ** ** > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Mine are the former, but there is no indication that they would ever draw up tight on their own. Dan Helsper put me wise to the hi-friction brake linings.that's what he did, too. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats Gary, I also have installed cable operated band brakes (the ones sold by Aircraft Spruce). They don't seem to hold very well, though all the experiments have been using a two-man powered "motor." My question is the orientation of your band brakes. Do you have them positioned so that they are self-actuating when the airplane is trying to move forward? Or, the reverse, such that that you don't have to worry about them accidentally trying to self-actuate? I have mine oriented in the latter position and am wondering if I should flip them around. Thanks, Ken On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: Hi John, McMaster-Carr PN- <http://www.mcmaster.com/#6224K348> 6224K348. When you get into the brake lining section on their website, you can find all sorts of widths, thicknesses and friction ratings. My brakes are simply cable actuated go-kart band brakes. As originally installed, they would not hold over about 800 rpm. I removed all the old lining and glued in the new linings. I can now run up to 1800 rpm and do a normal run-up!! For large wheels and heel brakes, I think that is excellent! Best wishes on your covering. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats Gary, Regarding your pony (band) brakes, would you share the type of brake lining material you bought from McMaster-Carr? How do they hold during run up with this lining, and would you use a different friction lining if you were to do it again? Thanks so much, John Egan Greenville, Wi Thinking about covering some parts this summer - if it ever warms up here... On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: Craig, My axle did not start out this way. The first brake linings I had were barely functional, and I had a steel tube running through the ash block to serve as a an anti-rotation device. Dan Helsper led me to better brake linings through McMaster-Carr, and they worked so well that on the first taxi test they ripped the tubes right out, wrapped up my brake cables around the axle, ripping them out of the heel brake connections! The hole thru my axle already existed, as that holds the actual wheel axle in place, and I did not want to remove the bungees at this time. So, I came up with the pictured bolt-on application. It's hell-for-strong!! Before that axle ever rotates again, the entire gear will be gone! Let me know if the you need any info about this set-up. It's not elegant, but it will suffice until the bungees need replacing and I have chance to do something else (or not). Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CraigAho Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats What a nice Pietenpol you have there and the photo of the Gear is helpful since I am trying to reassemble my old gear fittings to new wood. I need to use a new method of preventing Axel rotation as my original method worked but not the best way in hind sight. My original Axel is also bent so I will either have to find some way to straighten or just buy new steel. Do you have any close up shots of your Axel assy. Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397748#397748 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: New Builder just starting
Date: Apr 03, 2013
talk to mark in fresno ca. He is your size and is upsizing a piet at this time. Put in the front door while you are at it. Ps I too am your size. Vic NX414MV From: m.rich2(at)verizon.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Builder just starting Date: Tue=2C 2 Apr 2013 14:58:55 -0500 Hello everyone=2C my name is Mike Rich from the Dallas Tx. area. A little a bout me. I have researched for the past two years many different aircraft t hat would be a good build starting with a Piet=2Cand ending with a Piet. I' ve been in model aviation for 25 years winning some scale contest and have been around full scale aviation since I was a boy with my father and brothe r. They kept nagging me=2C"When are you going to get your license and start flying for real" ? Well I finally did=2C but there's still something missi ng. I'm not building anything and it's driving me nuts!! So I joined the EA A=2CBPA ect. and was told this was the place to get advice if I want to bui ld a Pietenpol Air Camper. Everyone in the Piet community has been very nic e and down to earth...I love it. I feel I'm finally with the right group of aviators. I have thus far built a mockup from "Flying and Glider" to see how I would fit=2C bought all the Benglis books ect.So with that said=2C I need to order plans now. I'm 6'3" at 240 lbs. and I know I will need the lo ngest fuse/ supplemental plans but I'm not sure about the rest. Do I order the whole shabang or just parts of it? Please advise=2Cthanks. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Gary: Sounds good. I may do both: flip the orientation around and replace the linings. Thanks, Ken On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Mine are the former, but there is no indication that they would ever draw > up tight on their own. Dan Helsper put me wise to the hi-friction brake > linings=85that=92s what he did, too.**** > > ** ** > > Gary Boothe**** > > NX308MB**** > > ** ** > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Bickers > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:54 PM > > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats**** > > ** ** > > Gary, I also have installed cable operated band brakes (the ones sold by > Aircraft Spruce). They don't seem to hold very well, though all the > experiments have been using a two-man powered "motor." My question is th e > orientation of your band brakes. Do you have them positioned so that the y > are self-actuating when the airplane is trying to move forward? Or, the > reverse, such that that you don't have to worry about them accidentally > trying to self-actuate? I have mine oriented in the latter position and am > wondering if I should flip them around. Thanks, Ken **** > > ** ** > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: * > *** > > Hi John,**** > > **** > > McMaster-Carr PN- 6224K348 <http://www.mcmaster.com/#6224K348>. When you > get into the brake lining section on their website, you can find all sort s > of widths, thicknesses and friction ratings. My brakes are simply cable > actuated go-kart band brakes. As originally installed, they would not hol d > over about 800 rpm. I removed all the old lining and glued in the new > linings. I can now run up to 1800 rpm and do a normal run-up!! For large > wheels and heel brakes, I think that is excellent!**** > > **** > > Best wishes on your covering=85**** > > **** > > **** > > Gary Boothe**** > > NX308MB**** > > **** > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Egan > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:21 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats**** > > **** > > Gary,**** > > **** > > Regarding your pony (band) brakes, would you share the type of brake > lining material you bought from McMaster-Carr? How do they hold during r un > up with this lining, and would you use a different friction lining if you > were to do it again?**** > > **** > > Thanks so much,**** > > **** > > John Egan**** > > Greenville, Wi**** > > Thinking about covering some parts this summer - if it ever warms up > here...**** > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Gary Boothe wrote : > **** > > Craig, > > My axle did not start out this way. The first brake linings I had were > barely functional, and I had a steel tube running through the ash block t o > serve as a an anti-rotation device. Dan Helsper led me to better brake > linings through McMaster-Carr, and they worked so well that on the first > taxi test they ripped the tubes right out, wrapped up my brake cables > around > the axle, ripping them out of the heel brake connections! > > The hole thru my axle already existed, as that holds the actual wheel axl e > in place, and I did not want to remove the bungees at this time. So, I ca me > up with the pictured bolt-on application. It's hell-for-strong!! Before > that > axle ever rotates again, the entire gear will be gone! > > Let me know if the you need any info about this set-up. It's not elegant, > but it will suffice until the bungees need replacing and I have chance to > do > something else (or not). > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CraigAho > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:25 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats > > > What a nice Pietenpol you have there and the photo of the Gear is helpful > since I am trying to reassemble my old gear fittings to new wood. I need to > use a new method of preventing Axel rotation as my original method worked > but not the best way in hind sight. My original Axel is also bent so I wi ll > either have to find some way to straighten or just buy new steel. Do you > have any close up shots of your Axel assy. > > Craig > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397748#397748 > > > **** > > **** > > * ***** > > * ***** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List***** > > *http://forums.matronics.com***** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution***** > > * ***** > > * * > > * * > > *" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > *tp://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > ** ** > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Just try one side and see which is better! ;-) Gary Sent from my iPhone On Apr 3, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > Gary: Sounds good. I may do both: flip the orientation around and replace the linings. Thanks, Ken > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: >> Mine are the former, but there is no indication that they would ever draw up tight on their own. Dan Helsper put me wise to the hi-friction brake lin ingsthat=99s what he did, too. >> >> >> >> Gary Boothe >> >> NX308MB >> >> >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l ist-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:54 PM >> >> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats >> >> >> Gary, I also have installed cable operated band brakes (the ones sold by A ircraft Spruce). They don't seem to hold very well, though all the experime nts have been using a two-man powered "motor." My question is the orientati on of your band brakes. Do you have them positioned so that they are self-a ctuating when the airplane is trying to move forward? Or, the reverse, such that that you don't have to worry about them accidentally trying to self-ac tuate? I have mine oriented in the latter position and am wondering if I sh ould flip them around. Thanks, Ken >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: >> >> Hi John, >> >> >> >> McMaster-Carr PN- 6224K348. When you get into the brake lining section on their website, you can find all sorts of widths, thicknesses and friction r atings. My brakes are simply cable actuated go-kart band brakes. As original ly installed, they would not hold over about 800 rpm. I removed all the old l ining and glued in the new linings. I can now run up to 1800 rpm and do a no rmal run-up!! For large wheels and heel brakes, I think that is excellent! >> >> >> >> Best wishes on your covering >> >> >> >> >> >> Gary Boothe >> >> NX308MB >> >> >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l ist-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:21 PM >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats >> >> >> >> Gary, >> >> >> >> Regarding your pony (band) brakes, would you share the type of brake lini ng material you bought from McMaster-Carr? How do they hold during run up w ith this lining, and would you use a different friction lining if you were t o do it again? >> >> >> >> Thanks so much, >> >> >> >> John Egan >> >> Greenville, Wi >> >> Thinking about covering some parts this summer - if it ever warms up here ... >> >> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Gary Boothe wrote : >> >> Craig, >> >> My axle did not start out this way. The first brake linings I had were >> barely functional, and I had a steel tube running through the ash block t o >> serve as a an anti-rotation device. Dan Helsper led me to better brake >> linings through McMaster-Carr, and they worked so well that on the first >> taxi test they ripped the tubes right out, wrapped up my brake cables aro und >> the axle, ripping them out of the heel brake connections! >> >> The hole thru my axle already existed, as that holds the actual wheel axl e >> in place, and I did not want to remove the bungees at this time. So, I ca me >> up with the pictured bolt-on application. It's hell-for-strong!! Before t hat >> axle ever rotates again, the entire gear will be gone! >> >> Let me know if the you need any info about this set-up. It's not elegant, >> but it will suffice until the bungees need replacing and I have chance to do >> something else (or not). >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CraigAho >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:25 AM >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats >> >> >> What a nice Pietenpol you have there and the photo of the Gear is helpful >> since I am trying to reassemble my old gear fittings to new wood. I need t o >> use a new method of preventing Axel rotation as my original method worked >> but not the best way in hind sight. My original Axel is also bent so I wi ll >> either have to find some way to straighten or just buy new steel. Do you >> have any close up shots of your Axel assy. >> >> Craig >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397748#397748 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> http://forums.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> http://forums.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Good idea. I'll do it on the side opposite from the direction of my ground loops. :) On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Just try one side and see which is better! ;-) > > Gary > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 3, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > > Gary: Sounds good. I may do both: flip the orientation around and replac e > the linings. Thanks, Ken > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > >> Mine are the former, but there is no indication that they would ever dra w >> up tight on their own. Dan Helsper put me wise to the hi-friction brake >> linings=85that=92s what he did, too.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Gary Boothe**** >> >> NX308MB**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: >> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Bickers >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:54 PM >> >> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Gary, I also have installed cable operated band brakes (the ones sold by >> Aircraft Spruce). They don't seem to hold very well, though all the >> experiments have been using a two-man powered "motor." My question is t he >> orientation of your band brakes. Do you have them positioned so that th ey >> are self-actuating when the airplane is trying to move forward? Or, the >> reverse, such that that you don't have to worry about them accidentally >> trying to self-actuate? I have mine oriented in the latter position and am >> wondering if I should flip them around. Thanks, Ken **** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Gary Boothe wrote : >> **** >> >> Hi John,**** >> >> **** >> >> McMaster-Carr PN- 6224K348 <http://www.mcmaster.com/#6224K348>. When you >> get into the brake lining section on their website, you can find all sor ts >> of widths, thicknesses and friction ratings. My brakes are simply cable >> actuated go-kart band brakes. As originally installed, they would not ho ld >> over about 800 rpm. I removed all the old lining and glued in the new >> linings. I can now run up to 1800 rpm and do a normal run-up!! For large >> wheels and heel brakes, I think that is excellent!**** >> >> **** >> >> Best wishes on your covering=85**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> Gary Boothe**** >> >> NX308MB**** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: >> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Egan >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:21 PM >> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats**** >> >> **** >> >> Gary,**** >> >> **** >> >> Regarding your pony (band) brakes, would you share the type of brake >> lining material you bought from McMaster-Carr? How do they hold during run >> up with this lining, and would you use a different friction lining if yo u >> were to do it again?**** >> >> **** >> >> Thanks so much,**** >> >> **** >> >> John Egan**** >> >> Greenville, Wi**** >> >> Thinking about covering some parts this summer - if it ever warms up >> here...**** >> >> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Gary Boothe >> wrote:**** >> >> Craig, >> >> My axle did not start out this way. The first brake linings I had were >> barely functional, and I had a steel tube running through the ash block to >> serve as a an anti-rotation device. Dan Helsper led me to better brake >> linings through McMaster-Carr, and they worked so well that on the first >> taxi test they ripped the tubes right out, wrapped up my brake cables >> around >> the axle, ripping them out of the heel brake connections! >> >> The hole thru my axle already existed, as that holds the actual wheel ax le >> in place, and I did not want to remove the bungees at this time. So, I >> came >> up with the pictured bolt-on application. It's hell-for-strong!! Before >> that >> axle ever rotates again, the entire gear will be gone! >> >> Let me know if the you need any info about this set-up. It's not elegant , >> but it will suffice until the bungees need replacing and I have chance t o >> do >> something else (or not). >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CraigAho >> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:25 AM >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats >> >> >> What a nice Pietenpol you have there and the photo of the Gear is helpfu l >> since I am trying to reassemble my old gear fittings to new wood. I need >> to >> use a new method of preventing Axel rotation as my original method worke d >> but not the best way in hind sight. My original Axel is also bent so I >> will >> either have to find some way to straighten or just buy new steel. Do you >> have any close up shots of your Axel assy. >> >> Craig >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397748#397748 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> * ***** >> >> * ***** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List***** >> >> *http://forums.matronics.com***** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution***** >> >> * ***** >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> *" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* >> >> *tp://forums.matronics.com* >> >> *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> >> * * >> >> ** ** >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://forums.matronics.com* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> >> ** >> >> * * >> >> * >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > ======================== > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ======================== ===========cs.com > ======================== ===========matronics.com/contribution > ======================== > * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Virginia Pietenpols
From: woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Jim, I'm just down the road from you in Lexington, VA. I'll probably fly my Piet up to Culpeper later in the spring to check on Gene Rambo's progress with his Piet. Hope to meet you and see your airplane. Matt Paxton NX629ML subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: satellite tracking devices From: "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> Hello All - I'm a Newbie to the wonderful world of Pietenpols. I am in the process of purchasing N687MB out of Sarasota. We do the ferry flight on th e tail end of Sun-n-Fun back to Culpeper Virginia. I'm no stranger to tail draggers - been flying them for years for fun and in for even more fun at the Flying Circus in Bealeton Virginia (www.flyingcircusairshow.com) I owned a Maule for about 10 years. Gotta tell you - I am excited about my new Piet. I've since learned that there are several Piets in the local area and that I am hoping to hook up with them for the July run to Brodhead.... Jim McWhorter N687M (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Rich" <m.rich2(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: New Builder just starting
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Hey Vic, thanks for the advice. I'm suppose to be getting some info in from Bill Rewey as well, any day now on how to tweak the fuselage ect. I've seen your plane on W.C. Piet, outstanding job good routing work. I'm still new to all of this but wouldn't any mods like wider,longer,ect. just add more weight? I'm intrested in makeing some changes as long as I'm not adding a lot to the wing load. The Piet doesn't have a lot to play with. Or am I totally off base? I really like the door idea. Thanks, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: V Groah To: piet list Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 3:05 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Builder just starting talk to mark in fresno ca. He is your size and is upsizing a piet at this time. Put in the front door while you are at it. Ps I too am your size. Vic NX414MV ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: m.rich2(at)verizon.net To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Builder just starting Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 14:58:55 -0500 Hello everyone, my name is Mike Rich from the Dallas Tx. area. A little about me. I have researched for the past two years many different aircraft that would be a good build starting with a Piet,and ending with a Piet. I've been in model aviation for 25 years winning some scale contest and have been around full scale aviation since I was a boy with my father and brother. They kept nagging me,"When are you going to get your license and start flying for real" ? Well I finally did, but there's still something missing. I'm not building anything and it's driving me nuts!! So I joined the EAA,BPA ect. and was told this was the place to get advice if I want to build a Pietenpol Air Camper. Everyone in the Piet community has been very nice and down to earth...I love it. I feel I'm finally with the right group of aviators. I have thus far built a mockup from "Flying and Glider" to see how I would fit, bought all the Benglis books ect.So with that said, I need to order plans now. I'm 6'3" at 240 lbs. and I know I will need the longest fuse/ supplemental plans but I'm not sure about the rest. Do I order the whole shabang or just parts of it? Please advise,thanks. st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Builder just starting
From: airlion2(at)gmail.com
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Hi mike ,I made my fuse 26 in wide I weigh 200 and I am glad that I did. I a lso put a door on the right side, it makes ingress a lot easier and to work o n the inside.. I have the long fuse and my weight is 825 with a corvair and w ith the 36 in center section I hold 20 gallons of fuel. Cheers, gardiner mas on . Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2013, at 6:07 PM, "Mike Rich" wrote: > Hey Vic, thanks for the advice. I'm suppose to be getting some info in fro m Bill Rewey as well, any day now on how to tweak the fuselage ect. I've see n your plane on W.C. Piet, outstanding job good routing work. I'm still new t o all of this but wouldn't any mods like wider,longer,ect. just add more wei ght? I'm intrested in makeing some changes as long as I'm not adding a lot t o the wing load. The Piet doesn't have a lot to play with. Or am I totally o ff base? > I really like the door idea. > > Thanks, > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: V Groah > To: piet list > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 3:05 PM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Builder just starting > > talk to mark in fresno ca. He is your size and is upsizing a piet at this time. Put in the front door while you are at it. Ps I too am your size. V ic NX414MV > > From: m.rich2(at)verizon.net > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Builder just starting > Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 14:58:55 -0500 > > Hello everyone, my name is Mike Rich from the Dallas Tx. area. A little ab out me. I have researched for the past two years many different aircraft tha t would be a good build starting with a Piet,and ending with a Piet. I've be en in model aviation for 25 years winning some scale contest and have been a round full scale aviation since I was a boy with my father and brother. They kept nagging me,"When are you going to get your license and start flying fo r real" ? Well I finally did, but there's still something missing. I'm not b uilding anything and it's driving me nuts!! So I joined the EAA,BPA ect. and was told this was the place to get advice if I want to build a Pietenpol Ai r Camper. Everyone in the Piet community has been very nice and down to eart h...I love it. I feel I'm finally with the right group of aviators. I have t hus far built a mockup from "Flying and Glider" to see how I would fit, boug ht all the Benglis books ect.So with that said, I need to order plans now. I 'm 6'3" at 240 lbs. and I know I will need the longest fuse/ supplemental pl ans but I'm not sure about the rest. Do I order the whole shabang or just pa rts of it? Please advise,thanks. > > > > st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: West coast Pieter's
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Thanks, the plane still looks good, but I don't look the same! Ray Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2013, at 11:08 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > It was taken 4 yrs ago! I=99ll bet your Waiex looks exactly the same , thoughand that=99s what really matters! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 10:59 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West coast Pieter's > > Gary, > > I usually charge a royalty fee for the use of such "un-official" photos, b ut I will let it slip this time; since it makes me look younger than I real ly am! > > Ray > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 2, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > "Count me IN, even though I ain't got no head gear!" > > Ray's going to make us look bad in his Waiex... > > > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:42 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West coast Pieter's > > --> > > Would this be restricted to Pietenpols only? Mine is not ready, but woul d consider going along in my Waiex or Aeronca. Aeronca is NORCO, except han d-held. > > Ray Krause! > > SkyScout in progress > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 2, 2013, at 8:20 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wr ote: > > > --> > > > > Pieter's > > > > How many of you would like to spend some time (one day or more) barnstor ming around central CA after the Hollister gathering? It would be a fun ti me for all. I am interested, anyone else??? > > > > -------- > > Scott Liefeld > > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > > Steel Tube > > C-85-12 > > Wire Wheels > > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397653#397653 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: West coast Pieter's
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Tim, I am in Oroville almost every Saturday to visit with Merle Reppert and have lunch. Would sure like to see your plane. Tom said he thought you were making one plane from some other planes, or something..... He did not know too much. I saw a Piet on Barnstormers for sale in Oroville, was that yours? Give me. Call, or come down to Merle's hangar on Saturday, sometime. Would love to meet you. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2013, at 11:32 AM, "Tim70" wrote: > > West coast pieters, Guess its time to end being a lurker. Yes Ray I have a piet here in Oroville My name is Tim Wall and Gary and Chris I have met. I'm working to finish covering tail feathers and fuse on 'original' piet with corvair power. > John Watson built a piet in Chico in 2001 and he and his son keep it at chico muni I think. There is a fellow in Red Bluff and another in Quincy. both I've talked with. > I also have room for up to six "barnstormers" here at my home. I'll post pics soon. See you all at Frazier Lake! > Tim Wall > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397768#397768 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Here is a pic of my brakes with the lining material that Gary referenced. O bviously in this photo the brake band still needs to be assembled (dangling ). The photo was actually taken to illustrate the "bungee dams" I had welde d onto the axle, their purpose being to keep the bungees from getting pinch ed under the axle. This brake set-up holds like a demon. There is no tenden cy to "self actuate". Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 7:49 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats Good idea. I'll do it on the side opposite from the direction of my ground loops. :) On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: Just try one side and see which is better! ;-) Gary Sent from my iPhone On Apr 3, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: Gary: Sounds good. I may do both: flip the orientation around and replace the linings. Thanks, Ken On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: Mine are the former, but there is no indication that they would ever draw u p tight on their own. Dan Helsper put me wise to the hi-friction brake lini ngsthat=99s what he did, too. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats Gary, I also have installed cable operated band brakes (the ones sold by Ai rcraft Spruce). They don't seem to hold very well, though all the experime nts have been using a two-man powered "motor." My question is the orientat ion of your band brakes. Do you have them positioned so that they are self -actuating when the airplane is trying to move forward? Or, the reverse, s uch that that you don't have to worry about them accidentally trying to sel f-actuate? I have mine oriented in the latter position and am wondering if I should flip them around. Thanks, Ken On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: Hi John, McMaster-Carr PN- 6224K348. When you get into the brake lining section on t heir website, you can find all sorts of widths, thicknesses and friction ra tings. My brakes are simply cable actuated go-kart band brakes. As original ly installed, they would not hold over about 800 rpm. I removed all the old lining and glued in the new linings. I can now run up to 1800 rpm and do a normal run-up!! For large wheels and heel brakes, I think that is excellen t! Best wishes on your covering Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats Gary, Regarding your pony (band) brakes, would you share the type of brake lining material you bought from McMaster-Carr? How do they hold during run up wi th this lining, and would you use a different friction lining if you were t o do it again? Thanks so much, John Egan Greenville, Wi Thinking about covering some parts this summer - if it ever warms up here.. . On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: Craig, My axle did not start out this way. The first brake linings I had were barely functional, and I had a steel tube running through the ash block to serve as a an anti-rotation device. Dan Helsper led me to better brake linings through McMaster-Carr, and they worked so well that on the first taxi test they ripped the tubes right out, wrapped up my brake cables aroun d the axle, ripping them out of the heel brake connections! The hole thru my axle already existed, as that holds the actual wheel axle in place, and I did not want to remove the bungees at this time. So, I came up with the pictured bolt-on application. It's hell-for-strong!! Before tha t axle ever rotates again, the entire gear will be gone! Let me know if the you need any info about this set-up. It's not elegant, but it will suffice until the bungees need replacing and I have chance to d o something else (or not). Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CraigAho Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats What a nice Pietenpol you have there and the photo of the Gear is helpful since I am trying to reassemble my old gear fittings to new wood. I need to use a new method of preventing Axel rotation as my original method worked but not the best way in hind sight. My original Axel is also bent so I will either have to find some way to straighten or just buy new steel. Do you have any close up shots of your Axel assy. Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397748#397748 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Dan, thanks. The picture helps. To be honest, I haven't known if the self-actuating thing is really an issue to be concerned about. But I've had a couple of "hangar rats" mention it to me when I mentioned whether I should flip the direction I have my brakes oriented to get more braking power. The reason I've continued to ponder it is that one of those people is someone with lots and lots of experience in the homebuilt world and someone whose opinion I respect. The other hangar rats ... well they have lots of opinions, which they feel obligated to share. I'm sure some of those opinions, just by random chance, are occasionally correct. Cheers, Ke n On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 8:29 PM, wrote: > Here is a pic of my brakes with the lining material that Gary referenced. > Obviously in this photo the brake band still needs to be assembled > (dangling). The photo was actually taken to illustrate the "bungee dams" I > had welded onto the axle, their purpose being to keep the bungees from > getting pinched under the axle. This brake set-up holds like a demon. The re > is no tendency to "self actuate". > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 7:49 pm > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats > > Good idea. I'll do it on the side opposite from the direction of my > ground loops. :) > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > >> Just try one side and see which is better! ;-) >> >> Gary >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 3, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: >> >> Gary: Sounds good. I may do both: flip the orientation around and >> replace the linings. Thanks, Ken >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Gary Boothe wrote : >> >>> Mine are the former, but there is no indication that they would ever >>> draw up tight on their own. Dan Helsper put me wise to the hi-friction >>> brake linings=85that=92s what he did, too.**** >>> ** ** >>> Gary Boothe**** >>> NX308MB**** >>> ** ** >>> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: >>> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Bickers >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:54 PM >>> >>> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats**** >>> ** ** >>> Gary, I also have installed cable operated band brakes (the ones sold >>> by Aircraft Spruce). They don't seem to hold very well, though all the >>> experiments have been using a two-man powered "motor." My question is the >>> orientation of your band brakes. Do you have them positioned so that t hey >>> are self-actuating when the airplane is trying to move forward? Or, th e >>> reverse, such that that you don't have to worry about them accidentally >>> trying to self-actuate? I have mine oriented in the latter position an d am >>> wondering if I should flip them around. Thanks, Ken **** >>> ** ** >>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Gary Boothe >>> wrote:**** >>> Hi John,**** >>> **** >>> McMaster-Carr PN- 6224K348 <http://www.mcmaster.com/#6224K348>. When >>> you get into the brake lining section on their website, you can find al l >>> sorts of widths, thicknesses and friction ratings. My brakes are simply >>> cable actuated go-kart band brakes. As originally installed, they would not >>> hold over about 800 rpm. I removed all the old lining and glued in the new >>> linings. I can now run up to 1800 rpm and do a normal run-up!! For larg e >>> wheels and heel brakes, I think that is excellent!**** >>> **** >>> Best wishes on your covering=85**** >>> **** >>> **** >>> Gary Boothe**** >>> NX308MB**** >>> **** >>> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: >>> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Egan >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:21 PM >>> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats**** >>> **** >>> Gary,**** >>> **** >>> Regarding your pony (band) brakes, would you share the type of brake >>> lining material you bought from McMaster-Carr? How do they hold during run >>> up with this lining, and would you use a different friction lining if y ou >>> were to do it again?**** >>> **** >>> Thanks so much,**** >>> **** >>> John Egan**** >>> Greenville, Wi**** >>> Thinking about covering some parts this summer - if it ever warms up >>> here...**** >>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Gary Boothe >>> wrote:**** >>> Craig, >>> >>> My axle did not start out this way. The first brake linings I had were >>> barely functional, and I had a steel tube running through the ash block >>> to >>> serve as a an anti-rotation device. Dan Helsper led me to better brake >>> linings through McMaster-Carr, and they worked so well that on the firs t >>> taxi test they ripped the tubes right out, wrapped up my brake cables >>> around >>> the axle, ripping them out of the heel brake connections! >>> >>> The hole thru my axle already existed, as that holds the actual wheel >>> axle >>> in place, and I did not want to remove the bungees at this time. So, I >>> came >>> up with the pictured bolt-on application. It's hell-for-strong!! Before >>> that >>> axle ever rotates again, the entire gear will be gone! >>> >>> Let me know if the you need any info about this set-up. It's not elegan t, >>> but it will suffice until the bungees need replacing and I have chance >>> to do >>> something else (or not). >>> >>> Gary Boothe >>> NX308MB >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CraigAh o >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 9:25 AM >>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats >>> >>> >>> What a nice Pietenpol you have there and the photo of the Gear is helpf ul >>> since I am trying to reassemble my old gear fittings to new wood. I nee d >>> to >>> use a new method of preventing Axel rotation as my original method work ed >>> but not the best way in hind sight. My original Axel is also bent so I >>> will >>> either have to find some way to straighten or just buy new steel. Do yo u >>> have any close up shots of your Axel assy. >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397748#397748 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> **** >>> **** >>> >>> * ***** >>> >>> * ***** >>> >>> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List***** >>> >>> *http://forums.matronics.com***** >>> >>> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution***** >>> >>> * ***** >>> >>> * * >>> >>> * * >>> >>> *" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* >>> >>> *tp://forums.matronics.com* >>> >>> *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >>> >>> * * >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> * * >>> >>> * * >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *http://forums.matronics.com* >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >>> >>> ** >>> >>> * * >>> >>> * >>> >>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> * >>> >>> >> * >> >> ========= >> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ==========cs.com >> ==========matronics.com/contribution >> ========= >> * >> >> * >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cables; control and brace
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Ok guys: I knew I had read about using chain links for cable connections, and a search of the archives produced the answers I was looking for... Kinda. Kevin: was the chain clips you got from a Motorcycle shop? Not a regular bicycle shop, right? I think I want to use this method versus shackles. Dang shackles cost more than the engine! Well, kinda.... Jim: did the roller chain #50 links work well for you? I am gearing up to start connecting all the welded pieces I've been making :-) Mark kevinpurtee wrote: > For Jim - Yes to the locking clip. I don't remember the sizes - sorry. Had a friend bring several different sizes from a bike shop where he worked. If I were to do it again I think I'd just use two female halves and secure with appropriate hardware, like the pictures posted earlier in this thread. > > Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397826#397826 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 03, 2013
Is the pic still there? I'm reading in my iPad but don't see the pic. Maybe on a regular computer, but after reading this thread, I am considering the whole LG decision again... Was thinking of the steel gear but the wooden gear with better brakes sounds good to me. But would like to see the pic... :) helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > Here is a pic of my brakes with the lining material that Gary referenced. Obviously in this photo the brake band still needs to be assembled (dangling). The photo was actually taken to illustrate the "bungee dams" I had welded onto the axle, their purpose being to keep the bungees from getting pinched under the axle. This brake set-up holds like a demon. There is no tendency to "self actuate". > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > > > -- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397827#397827 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Cables; control and brace
Date: Apr 04, 2013
Mark, See the attached. This is what you need. Note that this assembly uses an AN111 bushing instead of an AN100 thimble. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cables; control and brace > > > Ok guys: > > I knew I had read about using chain links for cable connections, and a > search of the archives produced the answers I was looking for... Kinda. > > Kevin: was the chain clips you got from a Motorcycle shop? Not a regular > bicycle shop, right? > > I think I want to use this method versus shackles. Dang shackles cost more > than the engine! Well, kinda.... > > Jim: did the roller chain #50 links work well for you? > > I am gearing up to start connecting all the welded pieces I've been making > :-) > > Mark > > > kevinpurtee wrote: >> For Jim - Yes to the locking clip. I don't remember the sizes - sorry. >> Had a friend bring several different sizes from a bike shop where he >> worked. If I were to do it again I think I'd just use two female halves >> and secure with appropriate hardware, like the pictures posted earlier in >> this thread. >> >> Kevin > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397826#397826 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: chain links/shackles
Date: Apr 04, 2013
I have some motorcycle chain links in my control system and brake cable connections. All the links from the elevator bellcrank are chain links and a few others. I have replaced a few in the system with shackles for aesthetics, but they are plenty strong. I used to "female" sides and used two an bolts. Not a slick an assembly, but easy to disassemble. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Hangar rats
Date: Apr 04, 2013
Dan you did such a nice job on your Piet. Beautiful=2C I will have to explo re this type of brake system for my new project. Looks real interesting all though I think my small drum brakes seemed to work adequately on NX40772. C raig To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats From: helspersew(at)aol.com Date: Wed=2C 3 Apr 2013 22:29:56 -0400 =0A Here is a pic of my brakes with the lining material that Gary referenced. O bviously in this photo the brake band still needs to be assembled (dangling ). The photo was actually taken to illustrate the "bungee dams" I had welde d onto the axle=2C their purpose being to keep the bungees from getting pin ched under the axle. This brake set-up holds like a demon. There is no tend ency to "self actuate".=0A =0A =0A =0A Dan Helsper=0A =0A Puryear=2C TN=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A -----Original Message----- =0A From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> =0A =0A Sent: Wed=2C Apr 3=2C 2013 7:49 pm =0A Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Good idea. I'll do it on the side opposite from the direction of my ground loops. :)=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A On Wed=2C Apr 3=2C 2013 at 2:23 PM=2C Gary Boothe wr ote: =0A =0A =0A =0A Just try one side and see which is better! =3B-)=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Gary =0A =0A Sent from my iPhone=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A On Apr 3=2C 2013=2C at 1:15 PM=2C Ken Bickers wrote : =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Gary: Sounds good. I may do both: flip the orientation around and replace the linings. Thanks=2C Ken=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A On Wed=2C Apr 3=2C 2013 at 2:01 PM=2C Gary Boothe wr ote: =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Mine are the former=2C but there is no indication that they would ever draw up tight on their own. Dan Helsper put me wise to the hi-friction brake li nings=85that=92s what he did=2C too.=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Gary Boothe=0A =0A =0A =0A NX308MB=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers =0A =0A =0A Sent: Wednesday=2C April 03=2C 2013 12:54 PM=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Gary=2C I also have installed cable operated band brakes (the ones sold by Aircraft Spruce). They don't seem to hold very well=2C though all the expe riments have been using a two-man powered "motor." My question is the orie ntation of your band brakes. Do you have them positioned so that they are self-actuating when the airplane is trying to move forward? Or=2C the reve rse=2C such that that you don't have to worry about them accidentally tryin g to self-actuate? I have mine oriented in the latter position and am wond ering if I should flip them around. Thanks=2C Ken =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A On Wed=2C Apr 3=2C 2013 at 1:34 PM=2C Gary Boothe wr ote:=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Hi John=2C=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A McMaster-Carr PN- 6224K348. When you get into the brake lining section on t heir website=2C you can find all sorts of widths=2C thicknesses and frictio n ratings. My brakes are simply cable actuated go-kart band brakes. As orig inally installed=2C they would not hold over about 800 rpm. I removed all t he old lining and glued in the new linings. I can now run up to 1800 rpm an d do a normal run-up!! For large wheels and heel brakes=2C I think that is excellent!=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Best wishes on your covering=85=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Gary Boothe=0A =0A NX308MB=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan =0A =0A =0A Sent: Wednesday=2C April 03=2C 2013 12:21 PM =0A =0A Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Gary=2C=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Regarding your pony (band) brakes=2C would you share the type of brake lini ng material you bought from McMaster-Carr? How do they hold during run up with this lining=2C and would you use a different friction lining if you we re to do it again?=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Thanks so much=2C=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A John Egan=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Greenville=2C Wi=0A =0A =0A =0A Thinking about covering some parts this summer - if it ever warms up here.. .=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A On Wed=2C Apr 3=2C 2013 at 11:59 AM=2C Gary Boothe w rote:=0A =0A =0A =0A Craig=2C =0A =0A My axle did not start out this way. The first brake linings I had were =0A barely functional=2C and I had a steel tube running through the ash block t o =0A serve as a an anti-rotation device. Dan Helsper led me to better brake =0A =0A =0A linings through McMaster-Carr=2C and they worked so well that on the first =0A taxi test they ripped the tubes right out=2C wrapped up my brake cables aro und =0A the axle=2C ripping them out of the heel brake connections! =0A =0A =0A =0A The hole thru my axle already existed=2C as that holds the actual wheel axl e =0A in place=2C and I did not want to remove the bungees at this time. So=2C I came =0A up with the pictured bolt-on application. It's hell-for-strong!! Before tha t =0A =0A =0A axle ever rotates again=2C the entire gear will be gone! =0A =0A Let me know if the you need any info about this set-up. It's not elegant=2C =0A but it will suffice until the bungees need replacing and I have chance to d o =0A =0A =0A something else (or not). =0A =0A Gary Boothe =0A NX308MB =0A =0A =0A -----Original Message----- =0A From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A =0A =0A [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CraigAho =0A Sent: Wednesday=2C April 03=2C 2013 9:25 AM =0A =0A =0A =0A Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar rats =0A =0A =0A =0A What a nice Pietenpol you have there and the photo of the Gear is helpful =0A =0A =0A since I am trying to reassemble my old gear fittings to new wood. I need to =0A use a new method of preventing Axel rotation as my original method worked =0A but not the best way in hind sight. My original Axel is also bent so I will =0A =0A =0A either have to find some way to straighten or just buy new steel. 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Subject: Re: West coast Pieter's
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Apr 04, 2013
Pieters, I have been given the proper kitchen pass from my wife to have the whole week available for this barnstorming adventure. The amount of time I use will depend on the participation. When the last guy can no longer continue, I will go home. I have told her that I don't want to get any more than a one day flight away from home in case I need to return. That would mean that Red Bluff would be as far north as I would want to go. I have an Aunt who is currently dieing of cancer which could cause an early return home. looking forward to it, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397850#397850 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 04, 2013
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: West coast Pieter's
WOW!! Throwing down the gauntlet! Fly 'till the last man standing...! If you hang around all week, you can stay for the Golden West Flyin, http://www.goldenwestflyin.org/ . My EAA Chapter has asked that I submit NX308MB for judging, as one of four planes from our chapter. I seriously doubt that I'll be able to gypsy around with all you vagrants! Gary Boothe NX308MB ----- Original Message ----- From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:31:18 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West coast Pieter's Pieters, I have been given the proper kitchen pass from my wife to have the whole week available for this barnstorming adventure. The amount of time I use will depend on the participation. When the last guy can no longer continue, I will go home. I have told her that I don't want to get any more than a one day flight away from home in case I need to return. That would mean that Red Bluff would be as far north as I would want to go. I have an Aunt who is currently dieing of cancer which could cause an early return home. looking forward to it, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397850#397850 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 04, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Cables; control and brace
Mark I also used #50 chain masters I got at Home Depot. They work very well, Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cables; control and brace
From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 04, 2013
Greg, Thanks for the nice drawing of all the pieces.... How does one go about breaking the chain to get the plates apart? Did you use black steel, Stainless, what? I see that McMaster has lots of different chain, as low as about $5 per foot... thanks, -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397858#397858 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 04, 2013
Subject: Re: Cables; control and brace
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Tom, the easy way is to buy connector links. One side is already off. It is easy to pop the pins out of the other side by positioning the link with the pin over a hole in your work bench, anvil, or other backing pad, and just giving the pin a quick tap with a hammer. It will slide right out. By the way, I bought mine from Fastenal. Size 50. Used with AN3 bolts, and castellated nuts. Cheers, Ken On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:41 AM, tkreiner wrote: > > Greg, > > Thanks for the nice drawing of all the pieces.... How does one go about > breaking the chain to get the plates apart? > > Did you use black steel, Stainless, what? I see that McMaster has lots of > different chain, as low as about $5 per foot... > > thanks, > > -------- > Tom Kreiner > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397858#397858 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Craig , new to list
From: "CraigAho" <Soar561(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Apr 04, 2013
I'm Just like everyone else and I like to see pictures and especially small details to see how others do things and so I am looking every place there are pictures of Pietenpols. I am currently working on the Wing center section parts and the landing gear. This time around I am building the 3 piece wing and will use the trailing edge cutout like Mike C's and others I just completed cutting the new fittings, The plans call for 1/4" bolts to join the panels and that seems small but I'm sure that it is well proven. On my Gear It may be cheaper for me to buy a new Axel instead of trying to straighten out the old one that has a noticeable bow in the middle. I also will incorporate the anti rotation method of Mikes ship (Sorry for picking on you Mike) but wonder does the vertical tube ride at a close tolerance or kind of lose in the receiver? I must have a diagram that mike probably sent me years ago. :? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397868#397868 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00836_342.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/file17_778.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cables; control and brace
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 04, 2013
Thanks Guys! I appreciate the info. I guess I am looking for the actual chain and disassemble the links, or is ther #50 masters a type of link (another name for a connector link that has the clip on one side...) I will stop at The Home Depot on the way home. Thanks again! Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397871#397871 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Craig , new to list
From: "CraigAho" <Soar561(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Apr 04, 2013
Sure enough I found diagrams from you Mike that are very nicely drawn showing the brakes and trim systems you used. Thanks again. Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397873#397873 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 04, 2013
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Cables; control and brace
Mark: I purchased a length of #50 chain from Tractor Supply along with a Chain Breaker (around $10) which makes short work of separating the links. For less than $20 you can have a drawer full of links. Tom Stinemetze N328X >>> "Mark Roberts" 4/4/2013 3:24 PM >>> Thanks Guys! I appreciate the info. I guess I am looking for the actual chain and disassemble the links, or is ther #50 masters a type of link (another name for a connector link that has the clip on one side...) I will stop at The Home Depot on the way home. Thanks again! Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397871#397871 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cables; control and brace
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 04, 2013
Thanks Tom! Just what I needed. We've got plenty of tractor supply stores around here in the CA Central Valley. I'll have a look there. Thanks again! Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397880#397880 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: straight axle landing gear
Date: Apr 04, 2013
John Dilatush's "Mountain Piet" (now Greg Bacon's) uses a pair of torque tu bes connected to the landing gear axle with chain links to keep it from rot ating. I don't have any closeups of the arrangement=2C but there are some photos here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html . Maybe Greg has some closeups of the anti-rotation setup on Mountain Piet? It looks l ike the torque tubes are rigidly fastened between the ash gear legs and the axle moves up and down between them but the links restrain the axle from a ny rotation. Also on the page listed above=2C about 2/3 way down=2C is a cl ear photo of the chain links that John used in place of clevis bits to join his cables to the control bellcranks. Far less cost and probably less did dling around than the clevis pin=2C washer=2C and cotter pin way. Oscar Zun igaMedford=2C ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"proud member of the West Coast Pie t Squadron ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: straight axle landing gear
Date: Apr 04, 2013
I've ignored axle rotation. I didn't want to drill holes or weld anything to the axle. Just my own paranoia. What can I say. :-) So here's a couple of pics of my antirotation device. Also the chain link is less costly but since there are two clevis, two cotters and two plates I think there's somewhat more diddling. Diddling is not necessarily a bad thing. Depends on who's helping............ :-) Clif Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. Einstein ----- Original Message ----- From: Oscar Zuniga To: Pietenpol List Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 8:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: straight axle landing gear John Dilatush's "Mountain Piet" (now Greg Bacon's) uses a pair of torque tubes connected to the landing gear axle with chain links to keep it from rotating. I don't have any closeups of the arrangement, but there are some photos here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html . Maybe Greg has some closeups of the anti-rotation setup on Mountain Piet? It looks like the torque tubes are rigidly fastened between the ash gear legs and the axle moves up and down between them but the links restrain the axle from any rotation. Also on the page listed above, about 2/3 way down, is a clear photo of the chain links that John used in place of clevis bits to join his cables to the control bellcranks. Far less cost and probably less diddling around than the clevis pin, washer, and cotter pin way. Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" proud member of the West Coast Piet Squadron No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/04/13 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Alittle something of recent interest
Date: Apr 04, 2013
http://multibriefs.com/briefs/copa/elts.pdf ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: chain links
Date: Apr 05, 2013
I did like like Jerry, same size and used an3 bolts. I used an3 clevis pins on the exterior links to my brake actuator rod because the head was smaller. You can probably go on mcmaster.com and just guy the links you want, or one length of chain will get you lots of links. Just grind off the pins and pull it all apart. douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: chain links
Date: Apr 05, 2013
Has anyone just used the #50 master link with the spring clip instead of the clevis pins or AN bolts? Not safe? How about using the master links with t he double tabs on top of the link for the rudder cable attach points (two ca ble attaching to one point)? They are only $3.11 each and you only need four ? See McMaster catalogue mcmaster.com. Ray Krause SkyScout Sent from my iPad On Apr 5, 2013, at 5:20 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" w rote: > I did like like Jerry, same size and used an3 bolts. I used an3 clevis pi ns on the exterior links to my brake actuator rod because the head was small er. > > You can probably go on mcmaster.com and just guy the links you want, or on e length of chain will get you lots of links. Just grind off the pins and p ull it all apart. > > douwe > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Alittle something of recent interest
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 05, 2013
Classic example of bureaucracy and paradigms. The feds require us to "position report" ourselves flying around in the airlines (domestically), despite to the second tracking available on a multitude of publically available and viewable systems on the internet. And our planes automatically transmit all sorts of data every few minutes, including our position. EVEN when we're in radar contact, which is practically ALWAYS in the US. Internationally, we still have to check in with oceanic control via voice on HF, even when we have established data comms via satellite (a system called CPDLC - controller to pilot data link comms, or something...). Notice it's controller to pilot... They've FINALLY officially allowed us to use our cell phones to call dispatch... on the ground. Of course, been doing it for years. Some day they'll catch up with technology, even their own! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397914#397914 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Alittle something of recent interest
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Apr 05, 2013
Tools, The funny thing is that the major complaint to using PLB as an alternative to ELT is the fact that they are not triggered by the force of a crash and no signal is sent out. The are not triggered by crash forces because THEY ARE WORKING ALL THE TIME!! all someone has to do is notice that the "breadcrumbs" the PLB is leaving are all in the same place and that it would be a logical assumption that the PLB is no longer moving. Some software geek (if they haven't already done it) could write software that would do just that- once the breadcrumbs start being left in the same place a call is made to find out if the person is safe. No answer, then send someone out to the site. The exact site, because it has already sent multiple GPS position reports (breadcrumbs). DUH! I will bet you that there would be fewer false messages with an approved PLB system, than there already are with the 121.5 system. How many times have you heard an ELT on Guard while flying? Almost every leg, it seems, domestically. Just my $.02 -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397920#397920 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Model A RPM
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Apr 05, 2013
Hello A guys.. What kind of RPM do you see or use for takeoff and cruise Just wondering as I do more ground runs.. I've been having an issue with blowing water out of the overflow..not overheating just blowing it out at high rpm's. I added a steam tube to the front of the head...cut down the impeller blades on the water pump a bit after a bit of reading on modern radiators and old pumps.. put in a 160 deg thermostat today mostly as a restrictor and that seems to have helped a lot.. i think the water was just being pumped too fast to the top tank at full power. but that got me thinking... what is cruise RPM on the A jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397922#397922 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Stabilizer brackets..
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Apr 05, 2013
Help! Are the guide wire brackets on the stabilizer mounted on the spar at the same level as the "rib" (cap strips) so that the bracket is then mounted after covering and on top of the fabric? Or are the brackets mounted on the spar, below the rib level so that the brackets are under the fabric and only the tips that attach to the guide wires protrude through the fabric? I remember seeing this on Jim Boyer's Piet, but cannot remember how they were set up. Thanks, Ray Krause SkyScout Sent from my iPad ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Stabilizer brackets..
Date: Apr 05, 2013
The answer is, "Yes." It's your call. Mine are under the fabric. Gary Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > > Help! > > Are the guide wire brackets on the stabilizer mounted on the spar at the same level as the "rib" (cap strips) so that the bracket is then mounted after covering and on top of the fabric? Or are the brackets mounted on the spar, below the rib level so that the brackets are under the fabric and only the tips that attach to the guide wires protrude through the fabric? > > I remember seeing this on Jim Boyer's Piet, but cannot remember how they were set up. > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > SkyScout > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stabilizer brackets..
From: "CraigAho" <Soar561(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Apr 05, 2013
On my NX40772 I had them on the surface. I will have to take a look at those who have put them under to see how I would like to do it on the next go round. Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397930#397930 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/file12_210.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Stabilizer brackets..
Date: Apr 05, 2013
Thanks, Gary and Craig. Wish you said it had to be one way or the other, then I would not have to make a decision. Putting them underneath would certainly reduce the drag, a main concern of mine! Putting them on top would make future modifications/repairs easier. Ahh, the problems we must face with these aircraft. If I put them on top, I will never be able to keep up wit Gary! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Apr 5, 2013, at 4:16 PM, "CraigAho" wrote: > > On my NX40772 I had them on the surface. I will have to take a look at those who have put them under to see how I would like to do it on the next go round. > > Craig > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397930#397930 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/file12_210.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
From: "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com>
Date: Apr 05, 2013
I'm still a newbie here - have yet to fly my new Piet - Pick it up next weekend in Sarasota. I am hoping to keep all my questions and comments regarding my new Piet in this single thread. To do so, assumes that every new entry in this thread will be posted as new in the daily distribution lists. If that is a bad assumption - please let me know. Passenger Door I notice in a video sent to me that there is no side door for the passenger. Is it difficult to add a door? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bIDMugSvrk -------- Jim McWhorter N687M (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397936#397936 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 06, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Stabilizer brackets..
Hi Ray, If you mean the mounting tabs for the stabilizer brace wires. Mine are mounted at the same level as the top of the stabilizer ribs so they are on top of the fabric. Cheers, Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 06, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Stabilizer brackets..
Ray what is the difference between 75 mph and 75.2 mph? Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 05, 2013
Subject: Re: Model A RPM
From: BRETT PHILLIPS <bphillip(at)SHENTEL.NET>
Jeff: The burping problem seems to have been an issue with the model A since the early days. Mr Pietenpol wrote that if the head mounted water pump was used, at least 1-1/2" dia. hoses needed to be used, along with a larger radiator. If a "pusher" pump was installed to force cooled water into the block, then smaller hoses and a smaller radiator could be used. I assume this is related to the fact that hot water/coolant is less dense, and probably more likely to cause pump cavitation. In any case, a steam vent line to the front of the head was recommended in case the engine did get hot enough to boil in a long climb. All of this was published after the FGM articles in a 3-part series that began in the December 1932 issue of Popular Aviation. Regarding cruise RPM; I've heard all kinds of things, and it really boils (couldn't resist) down to your prop selection and climb performance requirements. Mr Pietenpol got by with 1600 per the FGM, and I've heard of a couple that cruise as high as 2150, but most seem to run around 18-1900, with most being on the upper end of that range. I think Ken Perkins runs his at 2000 RPM for cruise. Brett On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 5:40 PM, bender wrote: > jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> > > Hello A guys.. > What kind of RPM do you see or use for takeoff and cruise > Just wondering as I do more ground runs.. > I've been having an issue with blowing water out of the overflow..not > overheating just blowing it out at high rpm's. > I added a steam tube to the front of the head...cut down the impeller > blades on the water pump a bit after a bit of reading on modern radiators > and old pumps.. > put in a 160 deg thermostat today mostly as a restrictor and that seems > to have helped a lot.. i think the water was just being pumped too fast to > the top tank at full power. > > but that got me thinking... what is cruise RPM on the A > > jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397922#397922 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Date: Apr 05, 2013
Jim, Kerri-Ann Price sells plans for a front cockpit door, but it adds considerable weight and I think you would have to build a new fuselage to get it. I doubt if can be retrofitted to an existing fuselage. I find the lack of a door to be a distinct advantage in that it requires a certain amount of agility to be able to get in the front cockpit. This tends to automatically eliminate the more gravitationally-challenged individuals from bugging you for a ride, but it does nothing to discourage slim young females - in fact it offers opportunities to "help" them get in. All kidding aside, you don't need a door. You need the airplane to be as light as possible and putting in a door requires cutting the top longeron, which is one of the main load-bearing members of the aircraft. Cutting that requires adding lots of structure to make up for the loss of strength, adding weight for little purpose. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fun2av8 Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 9:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam I'm still a newbie here - have yet to fly my new Piet - Pick it up next weekend in Sarasota. I am hoping to keep all my questions and comments regarding my new Piet in this single thread. To do so, assumes that every new entry in this thread will be posted as new in the daily distribution lists. If that is a bad assumption - please let me know. Passenger Door I notice in a video sent to me that there is no side door for the passenger. Is it difficult to add a door? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bIDMugSvrk -------- Jim McWhorter N687M (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397936#397936 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Stabilizer brackets..
Date: Apr 05, 2013
Thanks, Jim! I am leaning towards doing it that way; but I will never be able to race Gar y's airstream Piet! Jim, are your cabanes steel or aluminum? What are you doing for the main st ruts? Thanks, Ray Sent from my iPad On Apr 5, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Jim Boyer wrote: > Hi Ray, > > If you mean the mounting tabs for the stabilizer brace wires. Mine are mou nted at the same level as the top of the stabilizer ribs so they are on top o f the fabric. > > Cheers, > > Jim > > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Stabilizer brackets..
Date: Apr 05, 2013
Winner or loser! The guy is second place is the first loser! Gary is so CO MPETATIVE, Ray Sent from my iPad On Apr 5, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Jim Boyer wrote: > Ray what is the difference between 75 mph and 75.2 mph? > > Jim > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cables; control and brace
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Apr 06, 2013
I once tried to drill out a link, does not work in hardened state... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Apr 4, 2013, at 4:04 PM, "TOM STINEMETZE" wrote: > > Mark: > > I purchased a length of #50 chain from Tractor Supply along with a Chain Breaker (around $10) which makes short work of separating the links. For less than $20 you can have a drawer full of links. > > Tom Stinemetze > N328X > >>>> "Mark Roberts" 4/4/2013 3:24 PM >>> > > Thanks Guys! > > I appreciate the info. I guess I am looking for the actual chain and disassemble the links, or is ther #50 masters a type of link (another name for a connector link that has the clip on one side...) I will stop at The Home Depot on the way home. > > Thanks again! > > Mark > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397871#397871 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: "A"issues
Date: Apr 06, 2013
Hey Jeff, Good to hear you're running her around. Can't wait to hear (and see pics please!) when she flies. I had an "A" on mine originally and did years of research, but some of it is now a bit hazy, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt. Most guys seem to run the Ford with a 76X42 or 44. Cruise is really a subjective thing though, dictated by personal taste, weight and prop/engine combo. Some guys like to "cruise" along and smell the flowers, while some like to "cruise" along with a purpose and get where they're going a few minutes sooner. That being said, 1800-2000 is certainly the common range, 2000 being on the high side I think. Re the venting from your overflow, I'm not sure this is what yours is doing, but it is common for a Ford to vent during a climb. I think most run it a bit full and it has to find it's "level" as it expands. I assume your water temp is fine? Good luck! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Stabilizer brackets..
Date: Apr 06, 2013
Thinking about waxing my plane for xtra speedwhat do they use on those P-51=99s at Reno? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 7:26 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stabilizer brackets.. Winner or loser! The guy is second place is the first loser! Gary is so COMPETATIVE, Ray Sent from my iPad On Apr 5, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Jim Boyer wrote: Ray what is the difference between 75 mph and 75.2 mph? Jim 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stabilizer brackets..
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Apr 06, 2013
Snot... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Apr 6, 2013, at 7:04 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > Thinking about waxing my plane for xtra speedwhat do they use on t hose P-51=99s at Reno? > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 7:26 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stabilizer brackets.. > > Winner or loser! The guy is second place is the first loser! Gary is so C OMPETATIVE, > > Ray > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 5, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Jim Boyer wrote: > > Ray what is the difference between 75 mph and 75.2 mph? > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Stabilizer brackets..
Date: Apr 06, 2013
See, I told you! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Apr 6, 2013, at 5:04 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > Thinking about waxing my plane for xtra speedwhat do they use on t hose P-51=99s at Reno? > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 7:26 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stabilizer brackets.. > > Winner or loser! The guy is second place is the first loser! Gary is so C OMPETATIVE, > > Ray > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 5, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Jim Boyer wrote: > > Ray what is the difference between 75 mph and 75.2 mph? > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Apr 06, 2013
Agree with Jack. I've crammed big people in the front and regretted it. Enjoy your airplane with light passengers. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee Rebuilding NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397952#397952 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: chain links
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Apr 06, 2013
All motorcycle chain links with the spring clips were still in place and intact after running the airplane into the ground nose down from 200'. No issues during the 340 hours of successful flight prior to impact. I did safety wire them to get the IAs off my back. For the rebuild, I will use the hardware Greg Cardinal describes to terminate the end of the cables in the places I choose to use master links. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee Rebuilding NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397953#397953 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: satellite tracking devices
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Apr 06, 2013
If you're using your smart phone for tracking remember this: When I hit the ground in July my phone bent around my femur (the femur that was shattered). Needless to say, the phone doesn't work anymore. The SPOT tracker, on the other hand, is alive and well. I don't know if the SPOT people have provisions for damage to the telephone with their new device, but it'd be worth checking before you spend the money. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee Rebuilding NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397955#397955 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 06, 2013
Subject: An Inquiry
Hi Pieters, My name is Claude Corbett also identified as Corky by some of the older members of this net. I came on the scene in 2000. Had my plans purchased since 1989. While searching for a rebuildable Model A or B engine I encountered a pitiful looking T Model. Bought it and spent the nineties rebuilding Ts and Four cyl Dodge Bros. Finally in 2000 I decided to begin Pieting only to find my plans were for a GN. Disposed of those and bought the package from Mr Pietenpol. Ordered my wood, douglas fir, and began milling it to size when suddenly one morning in July I read an e mail where this Pieter in Zion, Il was selling hi project. Made a telephone deal with Mr Joe Chapliski and was in business. Zion isn't across the street from Shreveport, La. Got busy and finished the Piet, NX41CC, now owned by Mr Oscar Zuniga of Medford ,Oregon. I flew it the last time at the age of 81. Beautiful little bird even if I say so. Now I know if there are any readers still looking are wondering "what's this old fart writing about"? Well I'll just lay it out in 1 2 3 order 1 Wife in nursing home 2 Am living in an apartment with adequate space for a work bench 3 Needing some project to keep me from losing my "willies". I've always had to be building. I've thought about many options and the best I've come up with is to build sets of wing ribs. It would help those short of building and get them in the air much sooner. I have no idea if there is even a need or demand for such a service as that is the purpose of this epistle. >From my little experience I would prefer using the high quality douglas fir I've found from a company in Port Townsend, Wa. Less expensive and hardly any heavier than spruce while stronger. Instead of 1/2 X 1/4 cap strip I would prefer 7/16X 1/4 on vertical grain. Lighter, stronger and somewhat less expensive. However, I could and would build to one's specs. Now for the tariff. I have not the slightest clue. I can only say that I'm not a rich man and not a poor man and a profit is the least motive. I'm looking for a project to keep this young 90 yr old out of trouble. Will you be so kind as to express you thoughts on this subject without any commitments. I will be most appreciative. Yours in a Piet Corky 318 734 0386 318 455 7435 _Isablcorky(at)aol.com_ (mailto:Isablcorky(at)aol.com) I will name several references without their prior approval, Oscar Zuniga Mike Cuy ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: An Inquiry
Date: Apr 06, 2013
Hey Corky! Good to hear you're alive and kicking. Sorry to hear your bride is in a nursing home, though. Did you ever get that L-3 Aeronca Defender flying? Any chance you'll be able to make it to Brodhead this summer? I'll bet if you did, and brought a couple of sets of ribs with you, you could sell them pretty easily. Since Charlie Rubeck is no longer making rib sets, I think you'll find a ready market. I don't remember what he charged, but his ribs were well made and were sought after. Keep in touch, and try to make Brodhead this year. There are going to be a number of new Pietenpols there for the first time this year. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: An Inquiry Hi Pieters, My name is Claude Corbett also identified as Corky by some of the older members of this net. I came on the scene in 2000. Had my plans purchased since 1989. While searching for a rebuildable Model A or B engine I encountered a pitiful looking T Model. Bought it and spent the nineties rebuilding Ts and Four cyl Dodge Bros. Finally in 2000 I decided to begin Pieting only to find my plans were for a GN. Disposed of those and bought the package from Mr Pietenpol. Ordered my wood, douglas fir, and began milling it to size when suddenly one morning in July I read an e mail where this Pieter in Zion, Il was selling hi project. Made a telephone deal with Mr Joe Chapliski and was in business. Zion isn't across the street from Shreveport, La. Got busy and finished the Piet, NX41CC, now owned by Mr Oscar Zuniga of Medford ,Oregon. I flew it the last time at the age of 81. Beautiful little bird even if I

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