Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-me
April 06, 2013 - April 14, 2013
say so.
Now I know if there are any readers still looking are wondering "what's this
old fart writing about"? Well I'll just lay it out in 1 2 3 order
1 Wife in nursing home
2 Am living in an apartment with adequate space for a work bench
3 Needing some project to keep me from losing my "willies". I've always had
to be building.
I've thought about many options and the best I've come up with is to build
sets of wing ribs. It would help those short of building and get them in the
air much sooner. I have no idea if there is even a need or demand for such a
service as that is the purpose of this epistle.
>From my little experience I would prefer using the high quality douglas fir
I've found from a company in Port Townsend, Wa. Less expensive and hardly
any heavier than spruce while stronger. Instead of 1/2 X 1/4 cap strip I
would prefer 7/16X 1/4 on vertical grain. Lighter, stronger and somewhat
less expensive. However, I could and would build to one's specs.
Now for the tariff. I have not the slightest clue. I can only say that I'm
not a rich man and not a poor man and a profit is the least motive. I'm
looking for a project to keep this young 90 yr old out of trouble.
Will you be so kind as to express you thoughts on this subject without any
commitments. I will be most appreciative.
Yours in a Piet
Corky
318 734 0386
318 455 7435
Isablcorky(at)aol.com
I will name several references without their prior approval,
Oscar Zuniga
Mike Cuy
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 4/6/2013 1:46:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
jack(at)bedfordlandings.com writes:
Hey Corky! Good to hear you=99re alive and kicking. Sorry to hear
your
bride is in a nursing home, though.
Did you ever get that L-3 Aeronca Defender flying?
Any chance you=99ll be able to make it to Brodhead this summer? I
=99ll bet
if you did, and brought a couple of sets of ribs with you, you could sell
them pretty easily. Since Charlie Rubeck is no longer making rib sets, I
think you=99ll find a ready market. I don=99t remember what h
e charged, but his
ribs were well made and were sought after.
Keep in touch, and try to make Brodhead this year. There are going to be
a number of new Pietenpols there for the first time this year.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Isablcorky
@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: An Inquiry
Hi Pieters,
My name is Claude Corbett also identified as Corky by some of the older
members of this net. I came on the scene in 2000. Had my plans purchased
since 1989. While searching for a rebuildable Model A or B engine I encoun
tered
a pitiful looking T Model. Bought it and spent the nineties rebuilding Ts
and Four cyl Dodge Bros.
Finally in 2000 I decided to begin Pieting only to find my plans were for
a GN. Disposed of those and bought the package from Mr Pietenpol. Ordered
my wood, douglas fir, and began milling it to size when suddenly one morni
ng
in July I read an e mail where this Pieter in Zion, Il was selling hi
project. Made a telephone deal with Mr Joe Chapliski and was in business.
Zion
isn't across the street from Shreveport, La.
Got busy and finished the Piet, NX41CC, now owned by Mr Oscar Zuniga of
Medford ,Oregon.
I flew it the last time at the age of 81. Beautiful little bird even if I
say so.
Now I know if there are any readers still looking are wondering "what's
this old fart writing about"? Well I'll just lay it out in 1 2 3 order
1 Wife in nursing home
2 Am living in an apartment with adequate space for a work bench
3 Needing some project to keep me from losing my "willies". I've always
had to be building.
I've thought about many options and the best I've come up with is to build
sets of wing ribs. It would help those short of building and get them in
the air much sooner. I have no idea if there is even a need or demand for
such a service as that is the purpose of this epistle.
>From my little experience I would prefer using the high quality douglas
fir I've found from a company in Port Townsend, Wa. Less expensive and har
dly
any heavier than spruce while stronger. Instead of 1/2 X 1/4 cap strip I
would prefer 7/16X 1/4 on vertical grain. Lighter, stronger and somewhat
less expensive. However, I could and would build to one's specs.
Now for the tariff. I have not the slightest clue. I can only say that I'm
not a rich man and not a poor man and a profit is the least motive. I'm
looking for a project to keep this young 90 yr old out of trouble.
Will you be so kind as to express you thoughts on this subject without any
commitments. I will be most appreciative.
Yours in a Piet
Corky
318 734 0386
318 455 7435
_Isablcorky(at)aol.com_ (mailto:Isablcorky(at)aol.com)
I will name several references without their prior approval,
Oscar Zuniga
Mike Cuy
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Hadn't thought about Brodhead but could be something to look forward to.
Thanks for the reply, Didn't know if any on the net would remember me.
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Corky; how could we forget you? Sorry to hear about Isabelle, but we do hope that
she is receiving good care and only hope to do as well and live as long as
you and she have.
To the best of my recollection, Charlie Rubeck was selling his sets of ribs for
$300. I believe there are 29 ribs from tip to tip so if we call it 30 ribs total
(one to keep for a template for future repairs), you're looking at $10 a
rib, sell price.
Greetings from the green Pacific Northwest! I hope to be flying Scout as soon
as I can get the wings back on and get a condition inspection.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Piet project for sale |
| From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
SOLD.
I will miss a lot of you guys. Happy Landings!
--------
PAPA MIKE
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Stabilizer brackets.. |
Hi Ray,
My cabane struts are steel streamline from AS&S; I am going to use the aluminium
wing struts from Carlson Aircraft. I belied Dan Helsper used them on his Piet.
He had some really nice photos of how to connect them at each end; they are
on Chris Tracy's West Coast Piet site.
Cheers,
Jim
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Stabilizer brackets.. |
Thats okay that Gary is competitive; my PIet is standoff scale anyway. Gary is
too much of a craftsman.
Jim
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
Thanks, Kevin!
I really appreciate your comments, your experiences carry a lot of validation.
Hope you get your plane back in the air pretty soon.
Ray Krause
SkyScout
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 6, 2013, at 7:09 AM, "kevinpurtee" wrote:
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> All motorcycle chain links with the spring clips were still in place and intact
after running the airplane into the ground nose down from 200'. No issues
during the 340 hours of successful flight prior to impact.
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> I did safety wire them to get the IAs off my back.
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> For the rebuild, I will use the hardware Greg Cardinal describes to terminate
the end of the cables in the places I choose to use master links.
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> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> Rebuilding NX899KP
> Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Stabilizer brackets.. |
Yeah, but like Jack said; what they use to polish them is not something you want
to be around...long.
I was going to suggest White Lead; its more slippery than regular lead.
Jim
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
Yeah Kevin but you young farts can bend in places those of us more mature cannot.
Jim
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: winning and losing |
Actually Oscar shaping the brace cables in a streamline shape is what would reduce
the drag of the Piet.
Round tubes and cables are the worst drag shape period.
Jim
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
Hi Corky,
I would think that ribs and maybe even the tail surfaces might be something to
help other builders just starting (but tail surfaces are good to build to get
the idea of how to do Piet stuff).
Use to be a guy who always came to Brodhead with rib sets but didn't see him 2011.
Jim
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| Subject: | Pulleys or "through the seat" ? |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Seeings as how we all want to make Mr. Pietenpol's airplane just "that much better"
than he designed it, I am wondering how many of you have opted for running
the 1/8" elevator cables through the seat bottom cross brace as shown on the
plans, or used pulleys as I have felt inclined to do. I see a few pics from the
guys that have used pulleys, but don't remember seeing any where they drilled
holes as shown on the plans through the rear seat bottom cross member.
As I am at the point of needing to run the cable, I am trying to decide if I am
going to have to wait until I can afford to buy more stuff from ACS, or if the
wood guide is "good 'nuf". I need to get the nico press stuff and all that
too...
What are your recommendations?
Thanks guys!
Mark
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398007#398007
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Stabilizer brackets.. |
Thanks, Jim. I remember they were pretty thin (fore and aft) and looked rea
lly neat. I am copying Gary's (?) and trying to make them out of wood. I ma
de one set and did not like them, started a new set today. Sure takes a lot o
f stickum to laminate them!
Gary, hat wood did you use?
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 6, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
> Hi Ray,
>
> My cabane struts are steel streamline from AS&S; I am going to use the alu
minium wing struts from Carlson Aircraft. I belied Dan Helsper used them on h
is Piet. He had some really nice photos of how to connect them at each end; t
hey are on Chris Tracy's West Coast Piet site.
>
> Cheers,
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> Jim
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
Jim,
I bent in the same place and broke nine weeks ago, I'm mostly all healed now
and I am 71! So there's hope for us old farts.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 6, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
> Yeah Kevin but you young farts can bend in places those of us more mature c
annot.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Stabilizer brackets.. |
Hickory. 3 laminations, 1=9D thick x 2 =C2=BC=9D.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Krause
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stabilizer brackets..
Thanks, Jim. I remember they were pretty thin (fore and aft) and looked
really neat. I am copying Gary's (?) and trying to make them out of
wood. I made one set and did not like them, started a new set today.
Sure takes a lot of stickum to laminate them!
Gary, hat wood did you use?
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 6, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
Hi Ray,
My cabane struts are steel streamline from AS&S; I am going to use the
aluminium wing struts from Carlson Aircraft. I belied Dan Helsper used
them on his Piet. He had some really nice photos of how to connect them
at each end; they are on Chris Tracy's West Coast Piet site.
Cheers,
Jim
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Pulleys or "through the seat" ? |
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that even the purest of the purists
would agree that letting the cables rub on the wood should be avoided. We
have the technology...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 8:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pulleys or "through the seat" ?
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Seeings as how we all want to make Mr. Pietenpol's airplane just "that much
better" than he designed it, I am wondering how many of you have opted for
running the 1/8" elevator cables through the seat bottom cross brace as
shown on the plans, or used pulleys as I have felt inclined to do. I see a
few pics from the guys that have used pulleys, but don't remember seeing any
where they drilled holes as shown on the plans through the rear seat bottom
cross member.
As I am at the point of needing to run the cable, I am trying to decide if I
am going to have to wait until I can afford to buy more stuff from ACS, or
if the wood guide is "good 'nuf". I need to get the nico press stuff and
all that too...
What are your recommendations?
Thanks guys!
Mark
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398007#398007
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| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Well, dang.
Almost done with all the work my current money has left. (Daughter getting married
in 7 weeks, or 49 days but who's counting...). But, I have the main control
system in place and all the varnish painting supply's ready.
Thought I'd post a few pictures tonight. Rudder pedals, control tubes, rudder bar,
control stick assembly with removable front stick (so I can pack an overnight
tent/sleeping bag in front for fly-ins), and elevator pivot tube/horn assembly
in place. All I need to do now is cable up the stick and see if there is
any slack in my set up as some have reported. Anyway, very excited to see progress.
If you have not yet started, or are just beginning, have hope! Even if it takes
10 years, progress can be made slowly and steady. I have had to wait for 6+ months
to make any meaningful progress, but tonight I have seen almost the completion
of the steel parts of the front controls.
Welding was NOT as scary as I thought. Heck, I find I am loving it, and I was very
fearful of the process (as a search of previous posts would prove). I am almost
ready to plan the next plane as a steel Pober Jr. Ace, as I have those plans
already! Actually, I have found that I am pretty good at gas welding. This
is the real benefit of home building. New skills and discoveries. Plus, I can't
believe how relaxing the whole thing is.
My lovely and patient wife approves of the time I am building because she knows
that while I am out in the barn, I completely STOP thinking about the stresses
of life. It is, indeed, cheaper than therapy and when you are done, you have
something to fly!! And Spruse and steel doesn't ask stupid questions about your
childhood... :D
Here's some pictures of the set up...
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| Subject: | Re: Pulleys or "through the seat" ? |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Thinking the same thing Gary... But I am trying to convince myself that I don't
need to spend 35 more bucks for a plane that will only cost me 8000 to build...
Doap!
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pulleys or "through the seat" ? |
I used pulleys. Sawing through the cross-member with a cable just didn't
seem like a good way to go.
You can see the elevator cable pulley in the foreground of the picture
below. You can also see the pulleys I used for the rudder cables as well as
the trim system:
There's a rule of thumb in the Bingelis books about any change in direction
of a cable more than X degrees should use a pulley, but my books are packed
away at the moment and I don't remember what the angle is. Look it up in
your Bingelis books.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 2:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pulleys or "through the seat" ?
Thinking the same thing Gary... But I am trying to convince myself that I
don't need to spend 35 more bucks for a plane that will only cost me 8000 to
build... Doap!
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398017#398017
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| Subject: | Corky's update and Rib building |
| From: | Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com> |
Corky, I am sorry to hear of Isabelle's current condition but delighted
that you are still raring to go and wanting to build Pietenpols.
For the Piet community, I am also a positive reference. I bought Corky's
second Piet project. I have not finished the project, as my wife and I are
both battling health problems. Building will likely not continue unless
conditions materially change.
However I can attest to Corky's workmanship and especially to the quality
of his ribs. He used T-88, individualized gussets and little brass nails
to hold the gussets. Lots of detail there, and not a single glitch.
Moreover a buyer may well have opportunities to interact with Corky, a
treat in itself, as he is an experienced and colorful southern officer and
gentleman.
Regards to Corky and the board,
Tim Willis
Tim in central TX
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Corky's rib building company |
Hey Corky,
I'll get you started!
I'll buy a set from you. Don't need them now, but I'd like to donate them
or keep 'em around to help someone out one day.
Tell me what you want to charge, and let's get going.
Douwe
douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net
805 573 3564
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | elevator cable routing |
Hey Mark,
Great progress!!
Technically, according to uncle Tony (Bingilis) the elevator cables deflect
enough to require a pulley there. I've never heard of a problem with the
original layout though; neither sawing through the wood or wear on the
cables, but.. That being said.. I put two small pulleys back there, and
would guess that most guys are doing that these days. Seems a simple and
beneficial mod, which I can see no reason not to do.
Douwe
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Nice job on the welding, Mark!!
Gary Boothe
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress!
-->
Well, dang.
Almost done with all the work my current money has left. (Daughter getting
married in 7 weeks, or 49 days but who's counting...). But, I have the main
control system in place and all the varnish painting supply's ready.
Thought I'd post a few pictures tonight. Rudder pedals, control tubes,
rudder bar, control stick assembly with removable front stick (so I can pack
an overnight tent/sleeping bag in front for fly-ins), and elevator pivot
tube/horn assembly in place. All I need to do now is cable up the stick and
see if there is any slack in my set up as some have reported. Anyway, very
excited to see progress.
If you have not yet started, or are just beginning, have hope! Even if it
takes 10 years, progress can be made slowly and steady. I have had to wait
for 6+ months to make any meaningful progress, but tonight I have seen
almost the completion of the steel parts of the front controls.
Welding was NOT as scary as I thought. Heck, I find I am loving it, and I
was very fearful of the process (as a search of previous posts would prove).
I am almost ready to plan the next plane as a steel Pober Jr. Ace, as I have
those plans already! Actually, I have found that I am pretty good at gas
welding. This is the real benefit of home building. New skills and
discoveries. Plus, I can't believe how relaxing the whole thing is.
My lovely and patient wife approves of the time I am building because she
knows that while I am out in the barn, I completely STOP thinking about the
stresses of life. It is, indeed, cheaper than therapy and when you are done,
you have something to fly!! And Spruse and steel doesn't ask stupid
questions about your childhood... :D
Here's some pictures of the set up...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398016#398016
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_659.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_221.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_753.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_210.jpg
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
Jim, when you get to be 89 you can consider yourself an old fart! Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Krause
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Jim,
I bent in the same place and broke nine weeks ago, I'm mostly all
healed now and I am 71! So there's hope for us old farts.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 6, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
Yeah Kevin but you young farts can bend in places those of us more
mature cannot.
Jim
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pulleys or "through the seat" ? |
Mark, my fuse is not handy for a pic. I drilled two holes in the cross
piece and added two small pulleys on the back of the seat. I still get a
bit of dragging noise when I move the stick, but it seems to be free enough.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 11:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pulleys or "through the seat" ?
>
>
> Seeings as how we all want to make Mr. Pietenpol's airplane just "that
> much better" than he designed it, I am wondering how many of you have
> opted for running the 1/8" elevator cables through the seat bottom cross
> brace as shown on the plans, or used pulleys as I have felt inclined to
> do. I see a few pics from the guys that have used pulleys, but don't
> remember seeing any where they drilled holes as shown on the plans through
> the rear seat bottom cross member.
>
> As I am at the point of needing to run the cable, I am trying to decide if
> I am going to have to wait until I can afford to buy more stuff from ACS,
> or if the wood guide is "good 'nuf". I need to get the nico press stuff
> and all that too...
>
> What are your recommendations?
>
> Thanks guys!
>
> Mark
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398007#398007
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
I understand your point, Jim. You built yours with a door. This gentleman is
talking about retrofitting an existing fuselage. He's going to have to enjoy
flying light passengers unless he wants to essentially build a new fuselage.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Pulleys or "through the seat" ? |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Mark - I did it per the plans originally. On the rebuild I'll add pulleys because
it seems like the right thing to do. Having said that, the per-the-plans
treatment was a non-issue. I added guides that kept the cable from sawing through
the structure. The cables wore the guides to a certain point and then apparently
reached equilibrium - no more wear and never an impact on the structure.
The cables held up fine as well.
The pulleys are like the piano hinge aileron hinges. It darn sure looks like a
better design, even though the per-the-plans design worked fine. (I noticed
when I bought strap hinges this time that the quality of the hinges were significantly
less then what I bought 15 years ago. I bought the piano hinges and
will go that route.)
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Corky's rib building company |
In a message dated 4/7/2013 7:32:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net writes:
Hey Corky,
I=99ll get you started!
I=99ll buy a set from you. Don=99t need them now, but I
=99d like to donate
them or keep =98em around to help someone out one day.
Tell me what you want to charge, and let=99s get going.
Douwe
_douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net_ (mailto:douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net)
805 573 3564
I was hoping to get a few encouraging responses but it is over the top.
Even naming my business. Smells like Washington, D C. Hope they don't send
the
tax collector before I drive the first nail.
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| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
That's very nice work Mark-
On the wood and the metal
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| From: | "Ralph" <ralphhsd(at)itctel.com> |
I also bought a set of ribs from Charlie Rubeck in the late 1980s. I
did it to =9Cblackmail=9D myself into starting on the
project. I figured if I had the $200 (at that time) tied up in ribs I
would continue on with the project. I stopped in Minneapolis at a boat
builders lumber yard and bought spruce for the rest of the airplane on
the way home to South Dakota. It worked although I haven=99t
finished the plane the wood construction in done. Charlie included a
note indicating he used western cedar (he told me he bought barn siding
to rip into pieces), AirAlite glue, 1410 pieces of wood and plywood (I
believed him, I didn=99t count them) and 3000 staples (which he
removed). The extra rib is a fine wall hanging and I used it for the
pattern for the nose and tail ribs of the center section. I figured he
saved me most of a winters work. I felt confident they were done right.
I enjoyed many helpful conversations with Charlie in the following
years.
Spring has finally arrived in SD. The snow is gone. I pulled the skis
off of the Chief. I hope to get back to my unheated garage and continue
my Piet soon.
Ralph Hurlbert
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Stabilizer brackets.. |
Did you include any plywood in the laminations? I just laid up the cabanes w
ith a center layer of mahogany, two layers of 1/8" plywood then a layer if V
G Doug Fir on the outside. Final Outside measurements are 11/8" by 2". Of c
ourse, that will be worked down in shaping.
What grain orientation do you look for with hickory, any? What about main s
truts?
Thanks,
Ray
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 6, 2013, at 10:32 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
> Hickory. 3 laminations, 1=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D thick x 2 =C3=82=C2=BC=C3=A2
=82=AC=C2=9D.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 8:45 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stabilizer brackets..
>
> Thanks, Jim. I remember they were pretty thin (fore and aft) and looked r
eally neat. I am copying Gary's (?) and trying to make them out of wood. I m
ade one set and did not like them, started a new set today. Sure takes a lot
of stickum to laminate them!
>
> Gary, hat wood did you use?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Krause
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 6, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
>
> Hi Ray,
>
> My cabane struts are steel streamline from AS&S; I am going to use the alu
minium wing struts from Carlson Aircraft. I belied Dan Helsper used them on h
is Piet. He had some really nice photos of how to connect them at each end; t
hey are on Chris Tracy's West Coast Piet site.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Horn Question |
| From: | "crusty old aviator" <a.gelston(at)juno.com> |
What material are you making your control horns of: 22 gage Cold Rolled Steel (standard
sheet metal), or .025 or .032 4130 chromoly? Thanks!
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Stabilizer brackets.. |
Ray,
No plywood laminations on mine. I seriously doubt if plywood adds any
strength.maybe some character.
The attached picture is of my current lift struts. You can see the
orientation. Also, a strength chart, that shows tensile strength, which
is really what you need. Following is my favorite excerpt from an email
I got from the very wise Clif Dawson, nearly 4 years ago:
"Spruce has a tensile strength of 6700 lb/square inch.
For the sake of argument let=99s say a strut is 1" X 3 1/2". With
streamlining the area should be 2/3 of the square area, or 2.3 square
inch. There are four struts or 5.2 square inches. That=99s 34840
lbs( yes I know the front ones take the majority of the load) .Dividing
on the assumption of equal load on a 1200 lb AC we get 29 g! How much
less if properly calculated? 25 g? 20 g? Is this adequate?
There's a bolt at each end. The strength here is based on how much force
required to pull a plug of wood out by the bolt. That plug has two
faces, the square area of which is the width of the strut times the
distance from the end to the bolt. If the strut is 1" thick and the bolt
is 1" from the end then you have two faces each 1" square or two square
inches. The "shear parallel to the grain" is 1120 lb per square inch. So
we have a strength here of 2240 lb. Four struts so that=99s a
total of 8960 lb. That's still over 7 g. If we added another such bolt
we have 14 g capacity. Taking into account the higher front strut stress
I'd bet we still have at least 10 g to play with.
And this is for plain, solid spruce, no plywood, no laminated straps or
embedded tubing or anything else to complicate matters.
You can add a little more strength by using Western Hemlock or Doug Fir
but not much. "
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Krause
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stabilizer brackets..
Did you include any plywood in the laminations? I just laid up the
cabanes with a center layer of mahogany, two layers of 1/8" plywood then
a layer if VG Doug Fir on the outside. Final Outside measurements are
11/8" by 2". Of course, that will be worked down in shaping.
What grain orientation do you look for with hickory, any? What about
main struts?
Thanks,
Ray
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 6, 2013, at 10:32 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
Hickory. 3 laminations, 1=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D thick x 2
=C3=82=C2=BC=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Krause
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stabilizer brackets..
Thanks, Jim. I remember they were pretty thin (fore and aft) and looked
really neat. I am copying Gary's (?) and trying to make them out of
wood. I made one set and did not like them, started a new set today.
Sure takes a lot of stickum to laminate them!
Gary, hat wood did you use?
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 6, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
Hi Ray,
My cabane struts are steel streamline from AS&S; I am going to use the
aluminium wing struts from Carlson Aircraft. I belied Dan Helsper used
them on his Piet. He had some really nice photos of how to connect them
at each end; they are on Chris Tracy's West Coast Piet site.
Cheers,
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Pulleys or "through the seat" ? |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks guys!
Yep, sometimes it's good to trust your gut, and mine was saying "pulleys", but
I was hoping to be able to keep working without having to wait to order them.
But, I'll be flying this for years and pulleys will be better.
Jack, I'd like to see more of your elevator trim set up. I haven't yet figured
out how to do mine, and your crank assembly in the picture looks good. Do you
have other pics handy without too much digging around? I hope the construction
of your place in VA is going nicely!
And Kevin: thanks for the heads up on the aileron hinges. I am planning to use
the piano hinges too.
Mark
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| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks guys! The welding is much easier and more fun than I had imagined!
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| Subject: | Re: Pulleys or "through the seat" ? |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Mark, I compromised on this. I followed the plans for the low deflection
cable that runs to the bottom of the elevator control horn, but installed a
pulley for the high deflection cable that runs to the top of the elevator
control horn. It hasn't flown yet, but seems to operate freely when I test
it in my hangar. Cheers, Ken
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
>
> Thanks guys!
>
> Yep, sometimes it's good to trust your gut, and mine was saying "pulleys",
> but I was hoping to be able to keep working without having to wait to order
> them.
>
> But, I'll be flying this for years and pulleys will be better.
>
> Jack, I'd like to see more of your elevator trim set up. I haven't yet
> figured out how to do mine, and your crank assembly in the picture looks
> good. Do you have other pics handy without too much digging around? I hope
> the construction of your place in VA is going nicely!
>
> And Kevin: thanks for the heads up on the aileron hinges. I am planning to
> use the piano hinges too.
>
> Mark
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398054#398054
>
>
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 4/7/2013 9:45:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
ralphhsd(at)itctel.com writes:
I also bought a set of ribs from Charlie Rubeck in the late 1980s. I did
it to =9Cblackmail=9D myself into starting on the project. I f
igured if I had
the $200 (at that time) tied up in ribs I would continue on with the
project. I stopped in Minneapolis at a boat builders lumber yard and boug
ht
spruce for the rest of the airplane on the way home to South Dakota. It
worked although I haven=99t finished the plane the wood construction
in done.
Charlie included a note indicating he used western cedar (he told me he bo
ught
barn siding to rip into pieces), AirAlite glue, 1410 pieces of wood and
plywood (I believed him, I didn=99t count them) and 3000 staples (w
hich he
removed). The extra rib is a fine wall hanging and I used it for the patt
ern
for the nose and tail ribs of the center section. I figured he saved me
most of a winters work. I felt confident they were done right. I enjoyed
many helpful conversations with Charlie in the following years.
Spring has finally arrived in SD. The snow is gone. I pulled the skis
off of the Chief. I hope to get back to my unheated garage and continue m
y
Piet soon.
Ralph Hurlbert
I didn't know Mr Roebuck. Hope the spring weather will encourage you to
get busy toward a finished Piet. It was such a milestone in my life even at
that advanced age. I've often compared the building techniques, skills, an
d
applied
allied arts necessary in building an aircraft to an advanced degree or
higher. Keep in touch if I can help.
Corky
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Hi Ralph
Where in MPLS is the boat builders lumber yard? I havent seen it.
Dick N.
St. Paul, MN.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: An Inquiry
I also bought a set of ribs from Charlie Rubeck in the late 1980s. I
did it to =9Cblackmail=9D myself into starting on the
project. I figured if I had the $200 (at that time) tied up in ribs I
would continue on with the project. I stopped in Minneapolis at a boat
builders lumber yard and bought spruce for the rest of the airplane on
the way home to South Dakota. It worked although I haven=99t
finished the plane the wood construction in done. Charlie included a
note indicating he used western cedar (he told me he bought barn siding
to rip into pieces), AirAlite glue, 1410 pieces of wood and plywood (I
believed him, I didn=99t count them) and 3000 staples (which he
removed). The extra rib is a fine wall hanging and I used it for the
pattern for the nose and tail ribs of the center section. I figured he
saved me most of a winters work. I felt confident they were done right.
I enjoyed many helpful conversations with Charlie in the following
years.
Spring has finally arrived in SD. The snow is gone. I pulled the
skis off of the Chief. I hope to get back to my unheated garage and
continue my Piet soon.
Ralph Hurlbert
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
Wow, great responses on the door idea .... going with the general consensus ....
if ain't broke .... don't fix it.
I mentioned to someone yesterday that I was buying a Piet and about the door idea.
He said that some Piet's were made with a hatch in the leading edge to enable
people to get in easier. I've never seen a pic of such a hatch. Is there
any truth to his tale?
--------
Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
Cruel and vicious rumors!!
Hatch can be in the trailing edge, but only helps the pilot.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fun2av8
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 11:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Wow, great responses on the door idea .... going with the general consensus
.... if ain't broke .... don't fix it.
I mentioned to someone yesterday that I was buying a Piet and about the door
idea. He said that some Piet's were made with a hatch in the leading edge
to enable people to get in easier. I've never seen a pic of such a hatch.
Is there any truth to his tale?
--------
Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Do I need to sheet this with plywood? |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Guys:
Do I need to sheet this with plywood? I used balsa blocks to fill the space between
the top.deck stringers as bracing. It goes back about 4" back from the
face of the front of the top former/sear back. I was planning to cover this with
1/8 ply, but after looking at the final product, I am thinking it is plenty
strong, but I am not sure how much abuse this part gets when sitting on it/ getting
in and out/ etc.
Will the final covering be enough if I cover the top with some leather like Mike
Cuy? Just looking for some "been there, done that" advice.
I do plan to "dimple" or feather the edges to prevent the covering from having
a hard edge regardless...
Thanks!
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Stabilizer brackets.. |
Gary,
Thanks so much! That really helps a lot. I printed this out as a permanent
reference. Beautiful work!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 7, 2013, at 8:57 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
> Ray,
>
> No plywood laminations on mine. I seriously doubt if plywood adds any stre
ngth.maybe some character.
>
> The attached picture is of my current lift struts. You can see the orienta
tion. Also, a strength chart, that shows tensile strength, which is really w
hat you need. Following is my favorite excerpt from an email I got from the v
ery wise Clif Dawson, nearly 4 years ago:
>
> "Spruce has a tensile strength of 6700 lb/square inch.
> For the sake of argument let=99s say a strut is 1" X 3 1/2". With
> streamlining the area should be 2/3 of the square area, or 2.3 square inch
. There are four struts or 5.2 square inches. That=99s 34840 lbs( yes I
know the front ones take the majority of the load) .Dividing on the assumpt
ion of equal load on a 1200 lb AC we get 29 g! How much less if properly cal
culated? 25 g? 20 g? Is this adequate?
>
> There's a bolt at each end. The strength here is based on how much force r
equired to pull a plug of wood out by the bolt. That plug has two faces, the
square area of which is the width of the strut times the distance from the e
nd to the bolt. If the strut is 1" thick and the bolt is 1" from the end the
n you have two faces each 1" square or two square inches. The "shear paralle
l to the grain" is 1120 lb per square inch. So we have a strength here of 22
40 lb. Four struts so that=99s a total of 8960 lb. That's still over 7
g. If we added another such bolt we have 14 g capacity. Taking into account
the higher front strut stress I'd bet we still have at least 10 g to play w
ith.
>
> And this is for plain, solid spruce, no plywood, no laminated straps or em
bedded tubing or anything else to complicate matters.
>
> You can add a little more strength by using Western Hemlock or Doug Fir bu
t not much. "
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 8:26 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stabilizer brackets..
>
> Did you include any plywood in the laminations? I just laid up the cabanes
with a center layer of mahogany, two layers of 1/8" plywood then a layer if
VG Doug Fir on the outside. Final Outside measurements are 11/8" by 2". Of
course, that will be worked down in shaping.
>
> What grain orientation do you look for with hickory, any? What about main
struts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 6, 2013, at 10:32 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
>
> Hickory. 3 laminations, 1=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D thick x 2 =C3=82=C2=BC=C3=A2
=82=AC=C2=9D.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 8:45 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stabilizer brackets..
>
> Thanks, Jim. I remember they were pretty thin (fore and aft) and looked r
eally neat. I am copying Gary's (?) and trying to make them out of wood. I m
ade one set and did not like them, started a new set today. Sure takes a lot
of stickum to laminate them!
>
> Gary, hat wood did you use?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Krause
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 6, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
>
> Hi Ray,
>
> My cabane struts are steel streamline from AS&S; I am going to use the alu
minium wing struts from Carlson Aircraft. I belied Dan Helsper used them on h
is Piet. He had some really nice photos of how to connect them at each end; t
hey are on Chris Tracy's West Coast Piet site.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Do I need to sheet this with plywood? |
I recommend plywood, either 1/8" or 1/16"...just ties it all together.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 12:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Do I need to sheet this with plywood?
-->
Hey Guys:
Do I need to sheet this with plywood? I used balsa blocks to fill the space
between the top.deck stringers as bracing. It goes back about 4" back from
the face of the front of the top former/sear back. I was planning to cover
this with 1/8 ply, but after looking at the final product, I am thinking it
is plenty strong, but I am not sure how much abuse this part gets when
sitting on it/ getting in and out/ etc.
Will the final covering be enough if I cover the top with some leather like
Mike Cuy? Just looking for some "been there, done that" advice.
I do plan to "dimple" or feather the edges to prevent the covering from
having a hard edge regardless...
Thanks!
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
Okay Chuck, I'm only 75 now so still feel like I'm young; except trying to get
in the front cockpit!
Cheers,
Jim
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
HI Kevin,
Actually I had my fuselage all built when Arlene and I got married. Arlene
is the bionic women with 3 back surgeries so I wanted to be able to take he
r flying with me. I added a door after the fuselage was done; took at littl
e work but ot her than having to rebuild the rear seat framing wasn't reall
y that hard. Hope to have my Piet done for next years Brodhead to show you.
Glad to see all the good progress you are making Kevin.
Cheers,
Jim
=C2-
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
NIce update Ralph; hope to see you this summer in Brodhead and possibly in Raymond.
Cheers,
Jim
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aileron Horn Question |
.032 4130 but plain old mild steel would be fine. They turn out very light and
very strong.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Do I need to sheet this with plywood? |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Use plywood. 1/16 is fine. Ties it all together (where did I hear this?)
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sun, Apr 7, 2013 2:57 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Do I need to sheet this with plywood?
I recommend plywood, either 1/8" or 1/16"...just ties it all together.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Robert
s
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 12:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Do I need to sheet this with plywood?
-->
Hey Guys:
Do I need to sheet this with plywood? I used balsa blocks to fill the space
between the top.deck stringers as bracing. It goes back about 4" back from
the face of the front of the top former/sear back. I was planning to cove
r
this with 1/8 ply, but after looking at the final product, I am thinking it
is plenty strong, but I am not sure how much abuse this part gets when
sitting on it/ getting in and out/ etc.
Will the final covering be enough if I cover the top with some leather like
Mike Cuy? Just looking for some "been there, done that" advice.
I do plan to "dimple" or feather the edges to prevent the covering from
having a hard edge regardless...
Thanks!
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
I awoke in a cold sweat last night, suddenly realizing that Dan Helsper was
going to learn that my Piet came out of the factory with a fiberglass
bump.he would then produce a document from the Secret Files, questioning the
authenticity of my plane. This bump is necessary to hide a portion of my
Corvair (A la Last Original) starter (see top of cowling). All I had on hand
was some 6061 and some homemade tools.and about 3 hours.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: Do I need to sheet this with plywood? |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Okie Doakie... I will make a ply skirt for it. Thanks for the advice!
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Bump |
Maybe like Kim K. its pregnant and that is its baby bump?
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Do I need to sheet this with plywood? |
The balsa blocking is probably strong enough, although it might dent easily.
I covered this area with 1/16" birch plywood, per the picture below:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 3:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Do I need to sheet this with plywood?
Hey Guys:
Do I need to sheet this with plywood? I used balsa blocks to fill the space
between the top.deck stringers as bracing. It goes back about 4" back from
the face of the front of the top former/sear back. I was planning to cover
this with 1/8 ply, but after looking at the final product, I am thinking it
is plenty strong, but I am not sure how much abuse this part gets when
sitting on it/ getting in and out/ etc.
Will the final covering be enough if I cover the top with some leather like
Mike Cuy? Just looking for some "been there, done that" advice.
I do plan to "dimple" or feather the edges to prevent the covering from
having a hard edge regardless...
Thanks!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398076#398076
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| Subject: | Straight Axel advise |
| From: | "CraigAho" <Soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
I was hoping that those who have built the anti rotation system ala Mike Cuy could
advise on the Vertical tube dia. and wall thickness and also the dia. of the
receiver tube and is it a close tolerance. Also the length of the tubes. I
would like to purchase a new tolerance and related tubing's for my new gear.
Thanks Guys for any advise. I am attaching a photo of my old gear just because
I have it avail on my computer.
Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Straight Axel advise |
| From: | "CraigAho" <Soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
That is Iplan to purchase a new AXEL and related tubing. [Laughing]
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| Subject: | Re: Corky's rib building company |
| From: | "kmercer" <mercer.k(at)comcast.net> |
Corky,
If you're looking for more business, I'm in for a set of ribs (after Douwe's, of
course!)!
Ken Mercer
San Rafael, CA (but a native Texan)
--------
Ken Mercer
San Rafael, CA (KDVO)
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Bump |
If it's pregnant, I want its first offspring!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 7, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
> Maybe like Kim K. its pregnant and that is its baby bump?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Bump |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
That's cool Gary! You gotta tell me how it's done, or is this in one of Uncle Tony's
books too! I've got the whole set, but haven't cracked the engine ones yet...
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Do I need to sheet this with plywood? |
I filled with balsa and covered in 1/32 ply.
My rudder cables go in a straight line from
the bar to the rudder. In doing so they lie
just above the front edge of the seat. I acquired
a 1/4" thick piece of micarta ( traditional you know )
and made guides from that. At the seat back they
do only that, no direction change at all. The
ones mounted above the bellcrank do bend
a teeny weeny bit, barely noticable in the pic.
Another thing I've added is rudder stops at
the bar. At full deflection they hold said
rudder 1/2" away from the elevators. I saw a
vid once of completion inspection and that
was a fail on that plane so I checked mine
and sure enough the rudder went too far. Not
any more. :-)
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 12:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Do I need to sheet this with plywood?
>
>
> Hey Guys:
>
> Do I need to sheet this with plywood? I used balsa blocks to fill the
> space between the top.deck stringers as bracing. It goes back about 4"
> back from the face of the front of the top former/sear back. I was
> planning to cover this with 1/8 ply, but after looking at the final
> product, I am thinking it is plenty strong, but I am not sure how much
> abuse this part gets when sitting on it/ getting in and out/ etc.
>
> Will the final covering be enough if I cover the top with some leather
> like Mike Cuy? Just looking for some "been there, done that" advice.
>
> I do plan to "dimple" or feather the edges to prevent the covering from
> having a hard edge regardless...
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398076#398076
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/13653632089300_134.jpg
>
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Corky's rib building company |
In a message dated 4/8/2013 3:01:11 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
mercer.k(at)comcast.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "kmercer"
Corky,
If you're looking for more business, I'm in for a set of ribs (after
Douwe's, of course!)!
Ken Mercer
San Rafael, CA (but a native Texan)
--------
Ken Mercer
San Rafael, CA (KDVO)
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This was a Sat night inspiration. It's now Monday morn and I haven't talked
with my material source. Will put you down as a potential. Will let you
know cost ASAP.
Corky
What worries me the most is FREIGHT. They have gone krazy.
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Bump |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Dear Mr. Boothe,
It is a very good thing that you were able to rectify this rather serious d
iscrepancy now, rather than later. And it is even more commendable (and adm
irable) that you are of such elevated character, to be able to admit to suc
h a tragic mistake publicly. As we all know on this list, we are fast appro
aching the (limited) annual May 1st revealing and opening of the "lost" Ber
nard H (don't call me Bernie) Pietenpol files, that I have the highly-honor
ed position to have in my possession, the fiduciary duty been bestowed upon
me and entrusted with. I can assure you that on that date, I will surely l
ook into and clarify this matter, just as soon as we can open the hermetica
lly sealed jar that these fragile papers are stored. Last year, according t
o my recollection, I thought there was a BHP directive that went "No materi
als or processes not currently known shall be used in he production of any
BHP design airplane" or something to that effect.
Respectfully,
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:47 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Bump
I awoke in a cold sweat last night, suddenly realizing that Dan Helsper was
going to learn that my Piet came out of the factory with a fiberglass bump
he would then produce a document from the Secret Files, questionin
g the authenticity of my plane. This bump is necessary to hide a portion of
my Corvair (A la Last Original) starter (see top of cowling). All I had on
hand was some 6061 and some homemade toolsand about 3 hours.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pulleys or "through the seat" ? |
Mark:
I can't get to a photo right now but I did run my cables through the wood cross
member as shown on the plan. I did modify that slightly by drilling a hole in
the center of a delrin rod (from ACS) and make fairleads from that they were
inserted into the wood cross member. The holes in the delrin were ramped on
the ends to act more like a slick bearing surface to protect the cables as they
changed direction. They seem to work very well and the cables do not bind at
all. -Disclaimer- this modification has not experienced flight yet.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, Kansas
N328X
>>> "Mark Roberts" 4/6/2013 10:26 PM >>>
Seeings as how we all want to make Mr. Pietenpol's airplane just "that much better"
than he designed it, I am wondering how many of you have opted for running
the 1/8" elevator cables through the seat bottom cross brace as shown on the
plans, or used pulleys as I have felt inclined to do. I see a few pics from the
guys that have used pulleys, but don't remember seeing any where they drilled
holes as shown on the plans through the rear seat bottom cross member.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Bump |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
So you were bored, Gary?
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Do I need to sheet this with plywood? |
Looks plenty good to me Mark. I find that I place the palm of my hand just
behind the cockpit, especially when leaving, and have seen some guys sit
there, but your design would support both nicely. In my opinion.
douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Bump |
| From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Still having post building withdrawals.
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 8, 2013, at 6:30 AM, "kevinpurtee" wrote:
>
> So you were bored, Gary?
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> Rebuilding NX899KP
> Austin/San Marcos, TX
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398133#398133
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>
>
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>
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| From: | "Ralph" <ralphhsd(at)itctel.com> |
Hi Dick,
I think the name of the lumberyard I went to was something like
Youngblood=99s. Some one at Brodhead had told me about it saying
it was where canoe and other wood boat builders bought their lumber. It
was a lot of years ago but it seems like it was in north central area of
Minneapolis. They had just gotten in a shipment of sitka spruce and I
could pick through for what I wanted. There was very straight grain
1=9D by 6=9D (full size) boards about 16 feet long. I
hauled it on top of my Dodge caravan and had to leave my camper in my
cousins yard north of Stillwater to haul my lumber home. It is amazing
how your priorities change when you are in the early stages of airplane
construction.
Ralph
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| From: | "Ralph" <ralphhsd(at)itctel.com> |
Hi Jim,
I plan on being at Brodhead this summer. I=99ve only missed a
couple years since the mid 80s. I hope you will stop at Raymond if you
get the chance when you go through.
Ralph
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| From: | "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Thrust Pull Test |
I completed the pull test on N12939 yesterday. My 3 cylinder( one
cylinder seems to be there only to make the engine look symmetrical)
A-65 with McCauley metal prop, pulled a consistent 325 lbs. A few pulls
were stronger, but 325 seemed to be consistent.
As soon as I get back from SunNFun I can ship the scale to the next
person. I truly appreciate being able to use the "Official" scale.
Thanks, Dan !!
Perry Rhoads
N12939
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Bump |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
then you should stop building posts.
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> Still having post building withdrawals.
>
> Gary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 8, 2013, at 6:30 AM, "kevinpurtee"
> wrote:
>
> kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
> >
> > So you were bored, Gary?
> >
> > --------
> > Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> > Rebuilding NX899KP
> > Austin/San Marcos, TX
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398133#398133
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| Subject: | Re: Straight Axel advise |
| From: | "CraigAho" <Soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
I have decided that the fit should be lose so as not to bind, not sure how lose
but I did find some tubing to weld into the Axel that is 1/2" diam. X .065 wall
X 7 1/4" long that seem they would work well and leave at least 2.75" travel
for the Axel. So now I need to did a bit more around the garage for the short
tubes to weld to the gear fittings.
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
Pieters,
Just finished ordering my wood and plywood from Edensaw at Port Townsend ,
Wa. When I get my nails and T-88 I'll be ready for production.
Corky
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
HI Ralph,
Hope to see you in Brodhead and will probably stop in Raymond as well as we usually
go to Ashton to visit family graves.
Would like to see your Piet progress.
Cheers,
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
Matt, Looking forward to meeting you in the Spring. I spoke briefly with Gene (I
know him from the Flying Circus). He is planning on going to Brodhead in his
Piet (have you seen the pix on FaceBook?). I'm just a couple of hangar rows
over from his at Culpeper (KCJR).
I also heard from Zeke Zechini who keeps his Piet at White Post (3VA7) which is
just about an hour NW of Culpeper.
Anyone else got a Piet in the local area (VA, MD, WVA, DE, NC, PA)
It would be loads of fun to get together and go get a $100 hamburger somewhere.
Has anyone formed a local Piet Owners group?
Jim
--------
Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
I'm a little further from Culpeper than Matt, at Smith Mountain Lake (W91).
I've flown my Piet to CJR before, to help Gene work on his. It's about a
2-1/2 hour trip.
I'm planning on making the trip to Brodhead this summer.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fun2av8
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 12:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
Matt, Looking forward to meeting you in the Spring. I spoke briefly with
Gene (I know him from the Flying Circus). He is planning on going to
Brodhead in his Piet (have you seen the pix on FaceBook?). I'm just a
couple of hangar rows over from his at Culpeper (KCJR).
I also heard from Zeke Zechini who keeps his Piet at White Post (3VA7) which
is just about an hour NW of Culpeper.
Anyone else got a Piet in the local area (VA, MD, WVA, DE, NC, PA)
It would be loads of fun to get together and go get a $100 hamburger
somewhere.
Has anyone formed a local Piet Owners group?
Jim
--------
Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: straight axle landing gear |
| From: | "CraigAho" <Soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
Am trying to visualize how this works, so the white metal arm is free to pivot
up and back down with the axel and still prevents rotation under braking? I assume
we only need 2-3 inches of travel for the axel?
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| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
| From: | BRETT PHILLIPS <bphillip(at)SHENTEL.NET> |
Jim:
My dad and I have NX311GP at our strip in Strasburg (Mulberry Run, VA17).
It is slowly going back together, with a goal (maybe a bit of a stretch on
my part) of joining Gene, Jack, Matt, and the gang on their way to
Brodhead. If we can make it happen that way, it is going to be a real hoot
of a trip. By chance would you be the same Jim McWhorter who owns a Maule
in Strasburg?
Brett Phillips
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
>
> I'm a little further from Culpeper than Matt, at Smith Mountain Lake (W91).
> I've flown my Piet to CJR before, to help Gene work on his. It's about a
> 2-1/2 hour trip.
>
> I'm planning on making the trip to Brodhead this summer.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fun2av8
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 12:59 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
>
>
> Matt, Looking forward to meeting you in the Spring. I spoke briefly with
> Gene (I know him from the Flying Circus). He is planning on going to
> Brodhead in his Piet (have you seen the pix on FaceBook?). I'm just a
> couple of hangar rows over from his at Culpeper (KCJR).
>
> I also heard from Zeke Zechini who keeps his Piet at White Post (3VA7)
> which
> is just about an hour NW of Culpeper.
>
> Anyone else got a Piet in the local area (VA, MD, WVA, DE, NC, PA)
> It would be loads of fun to get together and go get a $100 hamburger
> somewhere.
>
> Has anyone formed a local Piet Owners group?
>
> Jim
>
> --------
> Jim McWhorter
> N687MB (New Owner)
> Culpeper, VA KCJR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398157#398157
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Straight Axel advise |
| From: | "CraigAho" <Soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
Looks like my quick email to Mike Cuy has me on a roll again. Thank you Mike.
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| Subject: | Re: Do I need to sheet this with plywood? |
| From: | Lion Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com> |
ace sells a streamline headrest for about
30 bucks . That is what I have on mine and it works great for a seat too. C
heers, Gardoner
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 8, 2013, at 9:40 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" w
rote:
> Looks plenty good to me Mark. I find that I place the palm of my hand jus
t behind the cockpit, especially when leaving, and have seen some guys sit t
here, but your design would support both nicely. In my opinion
>
> douwe
>
>
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| Subject: | Wing incidence.. |
| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
If my memory serves me correctly, you fellows have been putting in about 1/4"
incidence for the wing. In other words, the front cabanes are about 1/4" taller
than the rears, right? Please let me know as I am cutting mine today.
Thanks,
Ray Krause
SkyScout
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Wing incidence.. |
| From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Ray,
I'm on the road, and my memory a little fuzzy, but I'm pretty sure the front cabanes
are 1" longer than the rear.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 8, 2013, at 12:52 PM, Ray Krause wrote:
>
> If my memory serves me correctly, you fellows have been putting in about 1/4"
incidence for the wing. In other words, the front cabanes are about 1/4" taller
than the rears, right? Please let me know as I am cutting mine today.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Krause
> SkyScout
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Corky,
I kinda' like the name "Corky's Rib Shack" for the title of your business.
Just a thought.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Wing incidence.. |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Gary's memory is correct as far as the plans show. The difference is 1 inch between
the front cabanes and the rear cabanas, as shown in the snapshot from the
plans, Drawing #6.
So, Ray, do you mean an additional 1/4 inch?
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing incidence.. |
Front 21-1/4 -- Rear 20-1/4 Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing incidence..
>
>
> If my memory serves me correctly, you fellows have been putting in about
> 1/4" incidence for the wing. In other words, the front cabanes are about
> 1/4" taller than the rears, right? Please let me know as I am cutting mine
> today.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Krause
> SkyScout
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing incidence.. |
The dimentions I just sent are from the bottom bolt centerline to the top
bolt centerline. C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing incidence..
>
>
> If my memory serves me correctly, you fellows have been putting in about
> 1/4" incidence for the wing. In other words, the front cabanes are about
> 1/4" taller than the rears, right? Please let me know as I am cutting mine
> today.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Krause
> SkyScout
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Craig , new to list |
| From: | "CraigAho" <Soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
I have been scanning photos into my computer so here are a few of my new air camper
components so far. On the fuselage I have since adding the side plywood and
am currently working on my wood gear cleaning up the smoke damage and preparing
my old hardware for reuse. I will be dismantling my wire wheels and adding
grease cups, I think I will leave uncovered this time around. I need to purchase
a new Axel since my old one is bowed noticeably.
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing incidence.. |
Hi Ray,
The front cabanes are 1 inch longer than the rear cabane struts.
Jim
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| From: | "Brett Phillips" <bphillip(at)SHENTEL.NET> |
| Subject: | Thrust Pull Test |
Any idea of the diameter and pitch of the McCauley? Rpm?
Brett
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry Rhoads
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thrust Pull Test
I completed the pull test on N12939 yesterday. My 3 cylinder( one cylinder
seems to be there only to make the engine look symmetrical) A-65 with
McCauley metal prop, pulled a consistent 325 lbs. A few pulls were stronger,
but 325 seemed to be consistent.
As soon as I get back from SunNFun I can ship the scale to the next person.
I truly appreciate being able to use the "Official" scale.
Thanks, Dan !!
Perry Rhoads
N12939
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| From: | "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Thrust Pull Test |
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| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
Hey Brett, thanks for checking in. There is a Jim McWhorter with a Maule in Strasburg
VA? Now that is scary! I did have a Maule but its never been to Strasberg.
I sold it to a gentlemen in GA where she is presently living the good
life.
Hope to meet up with you guys before we go to Brodhead in July! From what I can
see - Culpeper seems to be in the middle. Its early yet - still time to see.
Jim
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
(If there is already a thread for this topic - please let me know and I will delete
this on and add my comments to the existing thread).
I checked the EAA Chapter 431 website - nothing posted yet for the 2013 Fly-In.
However, the 2012 info is there and doubt there would be any substantial changes
for 2013.
http://www.eaa431.org/?page_id=544
Is everyone camping?
Anyone staying at the local B&Bs?
What does one do for wheels while at the event for 3-4 days?
If you are flying your Piet in and plan on camping - where do you put your gear?
Stow it all in the front Cockpit?
Looks like food won't be an issue if they do the same this year they did last year?
Jim
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 4/8/2013 7:25:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "jarheadpilot82"
Corky,
I kinda' like the name "Corky's Rib Shack" for the title of your business.
Just a thought.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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In all my years I've probably been called everything so these new business
names are welcome.
No I'm no Semper Fi but I do go back to OCS, Ft Benning 1943
Keep those names coming, Also, if any might have an idea on the best way to
box a set of ribs for shipment lets have it.
Corky
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| Subject: | Re: Corky's rib building company |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Corky; I still have your building table, complete with glue drips, a few staples
here and there, pencil notes, and the outline of an Air Camper on it. I can
take it apart, box it up, and ship it back to you with assembly instructions
;o) "Place Part 2B against Part 3A and fasten with nails" ;o)
The building table is my home workshop, in my outdoor canopy work area. I am not
permitted to make sawdust, filings, glue odors, paint overspray, or anything
else INSIDE the house or garage. On the table are a dozen clamps of various
sizes and configurations, a small bench vise, my table saw, drill press, and
belt/disc sander. There is not enough room to use all of them on any one project
at a time, so I have to move them around to use them, but a guy needs to have
a decent workbench or life is meaningless!
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I'd say most camp.
I've observed most flying in to tent camp and store gear in the plane or tent.
Some folks camp near the planes, but there's a bit of an alcove across a closed
runway where there's a good sized tent camped community. There's also a rather
large contingent of motorhomes.
I've always had a car there, but really haven't needed it. There's a good pizza
joint within walking distance. My son and I camped there while ferrying our
piet through Brodhead. There was no one around, so we slept under the pavilion
and walked into town for dinner.
There's a fire pit and folks gather all over the place, it's pretty easy to get
in with a crowd for a ride into town for dinner or whatever for a little change
in pace.
Pretty laid back.
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| Subject: | Re: Do I need to sheet this with plywood? |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks guys!
Those pics really helped on a few levels. I get how those phenolic guides work.
I might use that idea!
Also, I don't like my elevator pivot works. Instead of using a welded set up, I
might try that delrin block idea...
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing incidence.. |
Thanks everyone. I am working off the SkyScout plans and it says both front and
rear cabanes are 21.25". I had not checked the Air Camper plans. My memory told
me that there had been discussion on the length and the front ones were longer.
I will go with the 1inch longer in the front... It is easier to go shorter
than longer!
Thanks for all the responses.
Ray Krause
SkyScout
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 8, 2013, at 1:59 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote:
>
> Gary's memory is correct as far as the plans show. The difference is 1 inch between
the front cabanes and the rear cabanas, as shown in the snapshot from the
plans, Drawing #6.
>
> So, Ray, do you mean an additional 1/4 inch?
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Wing incidence.. |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Ray: if you're building a Sky Scout, go by the Sky Scout plans. If you're building
an Air Camper, go by the Air Camper plans. Right-? The Sky Scout is a single-place,
the Air Camper is 2-place, tandem. Lots of other differences, but
the thing is, they aren't the same airplane.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Wood on the Way |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Corky: I believe I still have all the tiny nails that you gave me when you were
cleaning house. You want 'em back-? Not sure I can find them in the hangar,
but given a couple of hours and a sunshiny Saturday, I'll bet I could!
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: straight axle landing gear |
The entire brake assembly is free floating on the
axle. The axle does whatever it would do if
there weren't any brakes at all. I went through
a few trees worth of paper to come up with the
position and angles that would minimize the
rotational movement of the brake assembly as
the axle goes up and down over bumps.
I don't expect to be using the brakes moving
over anything that bumpy anyway and I certainly
don't plan on hitting the brakes on touchdown! :-)
And not when moving at more than a snails pace
either. Mostly for runup and pivot turning. Just
like the Chief I presently fly. On the grass at my
strip, idle the engine and it stops pretty quick on
it's own.
This pic illustrates the main parts. The disc, of
course, bolts to the wheel hub.There is a large
bearing sheet between that and the plate on the
right shown by a thick dark line. The only things
attached to the axle are the end cap and split
collar. They hold everything in place and
alignment. Clear as mud ??? :-)
Clif
Nothing worse could happen to one than
to be completely understood.
C.G.Jung
>
> Am trying to visualize how this works, so the white metal arm is free to
> pivot up and back down with the axel and still prevents rotation under
> braking? I assume we only need 2-3 inches of travel for the axel?
>
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: worlds largest pietenpol |
Funny, I don't remember seeing this bird in
Jurrasic Park. come to think about it I don't
remember much except rather large and
sharp teeth! :-)
Clif
Every morning in Africa a gazelle wakes up.
It knows it must run faster than the fastest
lion or it will be killed. Every morning a lion
wakes up. It knows it must run faster than
the slowest gazelle or it will starve to death.
It doesn't matter whether you are a lion or
a gazelle. When the sun comes up, you'd
better start running. African proverb
> UNCLASSIFIED
> Paul you are confusing a fossil with the modern Piet.
> That rib is actually from TyrannaPiet the much larger meat eating ancestor
> of the current bird.
> ;+}
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing incidence.. |
Ray, as well as other new builders:
If you are building an Air Camper and using a Riblett airfoil, the cabane length
changes yet again. As per advice that I received, my cabane lengths for the
Riblett 612 type airfoil are equal.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Wing incidence.. |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Ray,
I think most builders are just following the plans. And for the Air Camper, that
means the front cabanes are 1" longer than the back. But if the Sky Scout
plans show equal length front and back, it would seem logical to make the cabanes
for the Sky Scout equal in length.
When all else fails, read the instructions.
Bill C.
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| From: | airlion2(at)gmail.com |
Would you be making the 612 also? I am asking for someone else. Gardiner
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 8, 2013, at 9:57 PM, Isablcorky(at)aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 4/8/2013 7:25:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jarheadpil
ot82(at)hotmail.com writes:
mail.com>
>
> Corky,
>
> I kinda' like the name "Corky's Rib Shack" for the title of your business.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398179#398179
>
>
> In all my years I've probably been called everything so these new business
names are welcome.
> No I'm no Semper Fi but I do go back to OCS, Ft Benning 1943
> Keep those names coming, Also, if any might have an idea on the best way t
o box a set of ribs for shipment lets have it.
> Corky
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Jim,
The passenger door can be add to a built up side frame with little work. If you
are adding it to an already finished side frame with plywood covering, its a
little more work, but doable.
Many Pietenpol builders have add the side door for ease of loading passengers.
It adds very little weight to the basic Piet but really helps in getting in and
out of the front cockpit.
If you have any question on adding the passenger door, please Email me directly.
I will do my best to answer them. Link below.
Blue skies,
Keri-Ann
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
During a landing accident, I broke BOTH the bottom longerons on my wood fuse Piet.
The repair itself, building new landing gear legs (wood gear), scarfing in
new longerons, replacing the belly skin, one crossmember and the recovering
really only took 3 days.
However, getting the fuselage to where I could get everywhere I needed, took some
time.
Soooo, if you can do it without removing tailfeathers (I needed to so I could get
it in the shop), engine, firewall everything, and everything else that was
detachable, it really shouldn't be THAT difficult.
You're going to have to be pretty good at woodworking in that you'll likely have
to essentially carve some things out, make pieces to fit places that aren't
easily gotten to, possibly make some scarf joints inplace (not sure about this
one... but if so, requires some confidence with hand tools), do some fairly varsity
clamping frequently requiring a lot of jigging and stuff like that.
If there's tools you need, they'll likely be hand tools and really aren't that
expensive (certain sorts of eastern hand saws for example, that run in the $20
range, additional clamps - inexpensive, etc). So if that's up your alley, I'd
pretty seriously consider it. There's ALWAYS a weight penalty, but fortunately
it's on the CG, so it isn't as serious as other weight penalties like those
aft of the CG.
Obviously it's been done before, but I can't recall it being documented well, so
it would definitely be an asset for here and certainly in the BPA newsletter.
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 4/9/2013 7:38:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
airlion2(at)gmail.com writes:
Would you be making the 612 also? I am asking for someone else. Gardiner
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 8, 2013, at 9:57 PM, _Isablcorky(at)aol.com_
(mailto:Isablcorky(at)aol.com) wrote:
In a message dated 4/8/2013 7:25:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
_jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com_ (mailto:jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com) writes:
<_jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com_ (mailto:jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com) >
Corky,
I kinda' like the name "Corky's Rib Shack" for the title of your business.
Just a thought.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398179#398179
In all my years I've probably been called everything so these new business
names are welcome.
No I'm no Semper Fi but I do go back to OCS, Ft Benning 1943
Keep those names coming, Also, if any might have an idea on the best way
to box a set of ribs for shipment lets have it.
Corky
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Wood on the Way |
In a message dated 4/9/2013 7:34:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "taildrags"
Corky: I believe I still have all the tiny nails that you gave me when you
were cleaning house. You want 'em back-? Not sure I can find them in the
hangar, but given a couple of hours and a sunshiny Saturday, I'll bet I
could!
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398218#398218
I've ordered quarter lb to start with.
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| From: | Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: straight axle landing gear |
Thank you Clif I appreciate the info as I have been very interested in the
types of brakes and ways other have delt with the rotation issue. On my fir
st Piet NX40772 I used a rather crude method although as I think about it
I suppose it fit the era of the design and it did work. I am a simple perso
n so I am facinated at the enginuity and craftsmanship of others. Am I cor
rect that you live up in Beautiful BC? Greetings from a fellow N. Westerner
Craig
> From: cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: straight axle landing gear
> Date: Mon=2C 8 Apr 2013 23:39:56 -0700
>
> The entire brake assembly is free floating on the
> axle. The axle does whatever it would do if
> there weren't any brakes at all. I went through
> a few trees worth of paper to come up with the
> position and angles that would minimize the
> rotational movement of the brake assembly as
> the axle goes up and down over bumps.
>
> I don't expect to be using the brakes moving
> over anything that bumpy anyway and I certainly
> don't plan on hitting the brakes on touchdown! :-)
> And not when moving at more than a snails pace
> either. Mostly for runup and pivot turning. Just
> like the Chief I presently fly. On the grass at my
> strip=2C idle the engine and it stops pretty quick on
> it's own.
>
> This pic illustrates the main parts. The disc=2C of
> course=2C bolts to the wheel hub.There is a large
> bearing sheet between that and the plate on the
> right shown by a thick dark line. The only things
> attached to the axle are the end cap and split
> collar. They hold everything in place and
> alignment. Clear as mud ??? :-)
>
> Clif
> Nothing worse could happen to one than
> to be completely understood.
> C.G.Jung
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>
> >
> > Am trying to visualize how this works=2C so the white metal arm is free
to
> > pivot up and back down with the axel and still prevents rotation under
> > braking? I assume we only need 2-3 inches of travel for the axel?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398165#398165
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> > No virus found in this message.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing incidence.. |
OK!
I will follow the plans, as I have done on everything else. My memory seemed to
tell me that there had been some discussion here about more incidence was required
for better flying qualities. That is why I asked the group. But if the
general opinion is that the plans are the best way to go, that is what I will
do. I actually feel a lot more comfortable doing that!
So thanks to all for the speedy responses. I will cut to length today and then
make the hardware.
Has anyone tried ordering chromoly metal from Onlinemetals.com in Seattle? They
seem easy to work with and have pretty good prices. For me it is only a 2-3day
ground UPS shipping. They will do custom cutting into strips for a very low
fee. Sure saves a lot of time.
Thanks to all,
Ray Krause,
SkyScout
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 9, 2013, at 5:32 AM, "Bill Church" wrote:
>
> Ray,
> I think most builders are just following the plans. And for the Air Camper,
that means the front cabanes are 1" longer than the back. But if the Sky Scout
plans show equal length front and back, it would seem logical to make the cabanes
for the Sky Scout equal in length.
> When all else fails, read the instructions.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398231#398231
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing incidence.. |
Ray, I have bought most of my metal from Online Metals. Very good source to use
and I personally have had no issues with them.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Wing incidence.. |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Ray,
I started wondering about your question a bit more, and assumed that there must
be a structural difference between the Sky Scout and the Air Camper, to account
for the difference. I don't have a copy of the Sky Scout plans, so I accessed
the Sport Aviation articles online that discuss the Sky Scout, and saw that
the Sky Scout uses basically the same ribs and mounting bracket arrangement
as the Air Camper. And the detail for the cabane struts does show them to be
the same front and rear, yet the draftsman went to the trouble to list the length
for the front and back separately (see attachment). It does make one wonder
whether there should be a difference between front and rear. Maybe the answer
isn't as cut and dried as it seems.
Unfortunately, there aren't so many builders of Sky Scouts to gather empirical
evidence from.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398249#398249
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/fgm_scout_struts_817.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Could be Aircraft Related... |
I noticed something- yesterday and thought I would post the question here
just in case someone may have experience with the subject...
While fueling my car, I was looking closely at the radio antenna sticking o
ut of the top of the fender. As with most, if not all fixed "whip" type ant
enna, spiraled around it was a thin piece of wire, like safety wire, from t
op to bottom.- I vaguely remember commercials when this first came about
and I believe it was a way to reduce wind noise.
So, I started to wonder...is a side effect of reducing wind noise, possible
drag reduction?- If so, I wondered how much, if any, of a difference wra
pping wire, (gauge, number of wraps, etc.?) around the various tube type st
ructers on our planes would make.-
Maybe we should all wrap WIRE around our various WIRE cross cables and the
like...8^)
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Wing incidence.. |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Is it EVER as simple as it seems?
Incidence is really only in relation to the horiz stab and/or all of this in relation
to the "center line" of the fuse.
When I splat the gear, it bent up my wing struts, so I built new ones by unbending
the old ones and measuring them as well as I could (which was clearly somewhat
of a swag). Because I wasn't sure if the length of the old ones were "trimmed"
to my plane, I just copied them rather than referring to the plans.
I also rebuilt the cabane struts (as they were bushed incorrectly) which had to
change them somewhat. It was a rebuild of them rather than a replacement.
And then, I replaced one of the brace wires (damage to only that one...) and who
knows if they were all retensioned the same as they were.
And then I just flew it... and noticed not one single difference than before.
The point is, I'm not sure even an INCH is really noticeable in this genre of
flying.
I often wonder if all the speed and climb differences we experience are more due
to rigging (or lack thereof) rather than minute differences in props, airfoils
or streamlined fittings. A fuselage not aligned with travel direction presents
LOTS of frontal area, and that's what we're talking about when we change
the incidence of the wing, and then corresponding elevator trim or stab incidence
change.
I found on my last cross country (my first alone, so had time to just play and
experiment) I picked up a cool 5mph by holding the ball about 3/4 out to the left,
meaning something wasn't rigged just right or the ball indicator a little
off, something.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398250#398250
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Wing incidence.. |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Tools,
Is splat the past tense of split? Or are you referring to the noise they made on
that one landing? You Boat School Navy guys need to be a little more specific.
[Wink]
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398252#398252
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Tools,
Really? Only three days to build new landing gear legs, scarf in two new longerons,
replace the belly skin and one crossmember, and recover?
Did you do the work up at the North Pole around the summer solstice?
That's a LOT of work to accomplish in only three days. You must work very fast.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398256#398256
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Lets hope this isn't the firepit this year!
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398257#398257
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_176.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Really it's not. I spent MONTHS staring at it figuring out exactly what and how,
but the actual work from when the fuse was staged and I first started actual
repair (not all the prep of staging...), it was about 3 average length days.
Would be quicker if not waiting for things to dry. I only recovered what I
had to since the covering there is only asthetic, thought it would be a good place
to practice how to fix a hole essentially. I didn't recover the whole thing.
It was basically two strips of fabric about 8" by 4 feet or so.
I'm also lucky enough to have a very well equipped shop. It took some rather esoteric
tools to do it efficiently. A weird type of japanese flooring saw that
can start a cut in the middle of a board, other funky little narrow kerf and
flexible saws, a rather good sized back saw, probably had 40 or 50 clamps on
there when I scarfed on side plywood pieces. Could only do one side at a time
since I ran out of clamps! I used three or four handplanes to get old glue off
some areas (bull nose rabbet plane, chisel plane, small block planes). Had
to carve some joints apart, which took all the hand cutting mortise and tenon
joint skill I had, and a decent selection of chisels. I milled the legs from
some VERY nice southern yellow pine from a pallet I had laying around. That
included resawing, planing, ripping, blind stopped bevel cuts on the tablesaw,
routing and those weird angled cuts which are really easy on a big bandsaw.
It took one 12 hr day to make struts (aluminum very much like Larry W's) and rebuild
the cabane struts (could have made new ones as quickly, just didn't have
the materials on hand, and rebuilding was just as functional). But again, about
a month sketching, designing, fretting, etc beforehand.
I'm fortunate that high end woodworking has been my primary hobby for over 20 years.
It could be done with LOTS less, but nearly as efficiently.
When spending some time with Dick N, I was helping with the group Piet project
he's spearheading. I was mortising in the elev/stab hinges. It took about an
hour plus per hinge with a 1/2" wide xacto brand tool with a chisel like blade
(flat across the end). In my shop, with a very well designed workbench and
my mortising chisel set, it would take about 5 to 10 minutes... of course I got
a LOT of practice (to the tune of 106... or so) mortises like that I cut in
oak, for my daughters baby crib (she's 22, the crib is now about 21 1/2... I'm
a very serious procrastinator!), and they were all 3/4" deep, not 1/8" (which
is one easy pass in spruce).
A decent command of hand tools really makes retrofitting stuff a lot easier. It's
pretty easy to make a pattern for a router to cut some part. But to get inside
a cockpit and cut a hole... a nice japanese keyhole saw is quick, efficient,
and practically no chance of a misstep and ruining who knows what.
If someone has a difficult time making wing ribs, I wouldn't recommend a retrofit
of a door. However, if they make shaker oval boxes... child's play... so as
always, it depends.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398264#398264
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | 3 days to rebuild--very impressive |
That is just an INCREDIBLE amount of work to accomplish in three days, yes
Bill. I'm amazed at your productivity
Mike. That is a VERY impressive rebuild time.
I recall the first time I built a set of landing gear legs, it took me abou
t 3 days just to get all the compound angles correct
with lots of cursing because I wasn't smart enough to use two-by-fours to p
ractice on first.
My hat is off to you Mike for some incredible rebuild time that you accompl
ished so much in so little time. Does that include
color matching paint and all. Amazing.
Mike C.
Hope you get to enjoy some good flying this spring in Dick's old Piet.
Mike Danford wrote: (tools)
During a landing accident, I broke BOTH the bottom longerons on my wood fus
e Piet. The repair itself, building new landing gear legs (wood gear), sca
rfing in new longerons, replacing the belly skin, one crossmember and the r
ecovering really only took 3 days.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Wing incidence.. |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey... be nice! I'm rather sensitive...
Not sure what they sounded like since all I heard was "Oooooh fudge...",
but I didn't say fudge...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398266#398266
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | "Re-PIET" tire change |
Well, my supercool (to my eye anyway) gray tires started cracking too much
for comfort. Gray rubber is old fashioned natural rubber and being
non-vulcanized, cracks like old fashioned tires did. These kept cracking
along the seam though, so the tire company very kindly exchanged them for a
black set, which won't have any of those problems.
Just put them on, and it's she kinda looks different.
Supposed I'll get used to it!
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing incidence.. |
Thanks, Bill.
Those are the plans I have. I also have the Air Camper plans and go back and forth
between the two. The similarities are intriguing, but different. That is
why I questioned the incidence matter and I thought I had read something about
it here. I will stick to the plans and see what happens. But after using
the plans dimensions, I find I need more incidence, it will require all new cabanes,
struts, fittings and cables. IF I go with the added 1", I could always
modify the rest of the materials to accommodate the shorter front cabane. Oh
well, it takes faith to build an airplane!
Thanks for your time and research. That is the great part about this forum, you
really care!
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:24 AM, "Bill Church" wrote:
>
> Ray,
> I started wondering about your question a bit more, and assumed that there must
be a structural difference between the Sky Scout and the Air Camper, to account
for the difference. I don't have a copy of the Sky Scout plans, so I accessed
the Sport Aviation articles online that discuss the Sky Scout, and saw that
the Sky Scout uses basically the same ribs and mounting bracket arrangement
as the Air Camper. And the detail for the cabane struts does show them to be
the same front and rear, yet the draftsman went to the trouble to list the length
for the front and back separately (see attachment). It does make one wonder
whether there should be a difference between front and rear. Maybe the answer
isn't as cut and dried as it seems.
> Unfortunately, there aren't so many builders of Sky Scouts to gather empirical
evidence from.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398249#398249
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/fgm_scout_struts_817.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing incidence.. |
You mean I won't just drop out of the sky if I go with no wing incidence, or with
the 1inch you use with the Air Camper?
With my Waiex, I tend to have a heavy left foot. If I relax and am not paying
attention, I will be flying along with the ball out about a full ball width. When
I finally feel it (guess my seat of the pants is dying), I make the correction
by removing my left foot, I pick up another 5MPH! So much for trim.
Ray Krause
Sky
Scout
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:51 AM, "tools" wrote:
>
> Is it EVER as simple as it seems?
>
> Incidence is really only in relation to the horiz stab and/or all of this in
relation to the "center line" of the fuse.
>
> When I splat the gear, it bent up my wing struts, so I built new ones by unbending
the old ones and measuring them as well as I could (which was clearly somewhat
of a swag). Because I wasn't sure if the length of the old ones were "trimmed"
to my plane, I just copied them rather than referring to the plans.
>
> I also rebuilt the cabane struts (as they were bushed incorrectly) which had
to change them somewhat. It was a rebuild of them rather than a replacement.
>
> And then, I replaced one of the brace wires (damage to only that one...) and
who knows if they were all retensioned the same as they were.
>
> And then I just flew it... and noticed not one single difference than before.
The point is, I'm not sure even an INCH is really noticeable in this genre of
flying.
>
> I often wonder if all the speed and climb differences we experience are more
due to rigging (or lack thereof) rather than minute differences in props, airfoils
or streamlined fittings. A fuselage not aligned with travel direction presents
LOTS of frontal area, and that's what we're talking about when we change
the incidence of the wing, and then corresponding elevator trim or stab incidence
change.
>
> I found on my last cross country (my first alone, so had time to just play and
experiment) I picked up a cool 5mph by holding the ball about 3/4 out to the
left, meaning something wasn't rigged just right or the ball indicator a little
off, something.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398250#398250
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing incidence.. |
Great point, and thanks.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:51 AM, "tools" wrote:
>
> Is it EVER as simple as it seems?
>
> Incidence is really only in relation to the horiz stab and/or all of this in
relation to the "center line" of the fuse.
>
> When I splat the gear, it bent up my wing struts, so I built new ones by unbending
the old ones and measuring them as well as I could (which was clearly somewhat
of a swag). Because I wasn't sure if the length of the old ones were "trimmed"
to my plane, I just copied them rather than referring to the plans.
>
> I also rebuilt the cabane struts (as they were bushed incorrectly) which had
to change them somewhat. It was a rebuild of them rather than a replacement.
>
> And then, I replaced one of the brace wires (damage to only that one...) and
who knows if they were all retensioned the same as they were.
>
> And then I just flew it... and noticed not one single difference than before.
The point is, I'm not sure even an INCH is really noticeable in this genre of
flying.
>
> I often wonder if all the speed and climb differences we experience are more
due to rigging (or lack thereof) rather than minute differences in props, airfoils
or streamlined fittings. A fuselage not aligned with travel direction presents
LOTS of frontal area, and that's what we're talking about when we change
the incidence of the wing, and then corresponding elevator trim or stab incidence
change.
>
> I found on my last cross country (my first alone, so had time to just play and
experiment) I picked up a cool 5mph by holding the ball about 3/4 out to the
left, meaning something wasn't rigged just right or the ball indicator a little
off, something.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398250#398250
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: "Re-PIET" tire change |
All you do is work on that thing? Still looks great! Is that baby bump growing,
or is that jut a pimple on its nose? I'm hoping it's a baby bump!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 9, 2013, at 1:38 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote:
>
> Well, my supercool (to my eye anyway) gray tires started cracking too much
> for comfort. Gray rubber is old fashioned natural rubber and being
> non-vulcanized, cracks like old fashioned tires did. These kept cracking
> along the seam though, so the tire company very kindly exchanged them for a
> black set, which won't have any of those problems.
>
> Just put them on, and it's she kinda looks different.
>
> Supposed I'll get used to it!
>
> Douwe
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: "Re-PIET" tire change |
Sorry, guess that is Gary with the baby bump! Your pig is not the same! Still
looks great!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 9, 2013, at 1:38 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote:
> Douwe
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
Tools, what a shop, could you put me in your will? Seriously, I have many
tools and airplane stuff. I have a list for wife Susan to contact should I
expire, or when I guess. They are people I trust in assisting her with the
disposal of my riches...
Jack Textor
Des Moines, IA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 2:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Really it's not. I spent MONTHS staring at it figuring out exactly what and
how, but the actual work from when the fuse was staged and I first started
actual repair (not all the prep of staging...), it was about 3 average
length days. Would be quicker if not waiting for things to dry. I only
recovered what I had to since the covering there is only asthetic, thought
it would be a good place to practice how to fix a hole essentially. I
didn't recover the whole thing. It was basically two strips of fabric about
8" by 4 feet or so.
I'm also lucky enough to have a very well equipped shop. It took some
rather esoteric tools to do it efficiently. A weird type of japanese
flooring saw that can start a cut in the middle of a board, other funky
little narrow kerf and flexible saws, a rather good sized back saw, probably
had 40 or 50 clamps on there when I scarfed on side plywood pieces. Could
only do one side at a time since I ran out of clamps! I used three or four
handplanes to get old glue off some areas (bull nose rabbet plane, chisel
plane, small block planes). Had to carve some joints apart, which took all
the hand cutting mortise and tenon joint skill I had, and a decent selection
of chisels. I milled the legs from some VERY nice southern yellow pine from
a pallet I had laying around. That included resawing, planing, ripping,
blind stopped bevel cuts on the tablesaw, routing and those weird angled
cuts which are really easy on a big bandsaw.
It took one 12 hr day to make struts (aluminum very much like Larry W's) and
rebuild the cabane struts (could have made new ones as quickly, just didn't
have the materials on hand, and rebuilding was just as functional). But
again, about a month sketching, designing, fretting, etc beforehand.
I'm fortunate that high end woodworking has been my primary hobby for over
20 years. It could be done with LOTS less, but nearly as efficiently.
When spending some time with Dick N, I was helping with the group Piet
project he's spearheading. I was mortising in the elev/stab hinges. It
took about an hour plus per hinge with a 1/2" wide xacto brand tool with a
chisel like blade (flat across the end). In my shop, with a very well
designed workbench and my mortising chisel set, it would take about 5 to 10
minutes... of course I got a LOT of practice (to the tune of 106... or so)
mortises like that I cut in oak, for my daughters baby crib (she's 22, the
crib is now about 21 1/2... I'm a very serious procrastinator!), and they
were all 3/4" deep, not 1/8" (which is one easy pass in spruce).
A decent command of hand tools really makes retrofitting stuff a lot easier.
It's pretty easy to make a pattern for a router to cut some part. But to
get inside a cockpit and cut a hole... a nice japanese keyhole saw is quick,
efficient, and practically no chance of a misstep and ruining who knows
what.
If someone has a difficult time making wing ribs, I wouldn't recommend a
retrofit of a door. However, if they make shaker oval boxes... child's
play... so as always, it depends.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398264#398264
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | "Re-PIET" tire change |
Douwe what a beautiful Ship!
Jack Textor
Des Moines, IA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 3:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Re-PIET" tire change
Well, my supercool (to my eye anyway) gray tires started cracking too much
for comfort. Gray rubber is old fashioned natural rubber and being
non-vulcanized, cracks like old fashioned tires did. These kept cracking
along the seam though, so the tire company very kindly exchanged them for a
black set, which won't have any of those problems.
Just put them on, and it's she kinda looks different.
Supposed I'll get used to it!
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Pietenpol magazine article |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Okay, it's from six years ago, but it's not a bad article about a few Canadian
Pietenpols. Kind of a big file - takes a bit of time to download.
http://www.raa.ca/magazine_pdf/Jan-Feb07.pdf
Bill C
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398298#398298
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: "Re-PIET" tire change |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Gray tyres, schmay tyres... (although the gray is TOTALLY cool...), it IS a beautiful
ship.
Every pic I see seems to show off a few more details.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398299#398299
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol magazine article |
Thankyou for that Bill...
Charles B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 9:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol magazine article
>
>
> Okay, it's from six years ago, but it's not a bad article about a few
> Canadian Pietenpols. Kind of a big file - takes a bit of time to
> download.
>
> http://www.raa.ca/magazine_pdf/Jan-Feb07.pdf
>
> Bill C
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398298#398298
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 3 days to rebuild--very impressive |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov wrote:
> about 3 days just to get all the compound angles correct
> with lots of cursing because I wasn't smart enough to use two-by-fours to practice
on first.
Gee... sorry to hear that. Figure angle, draw line, cut along line... not NASA
science.
Will definitely enjoy flying NX2RN, it's a joy! Thanks! Finally got a good start
on the hangar.
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| Subject: | Re: Could be Aircraft Related... |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Michael,
You have a good memory. A quick search brought up the following-
>From http://www.theautochannel.com/mania/industry/Transcripts/2000/118.htm
[Why'd They Do That? - Car Antennas]
John McElroy, American Driver
"And, finally tonight, in a segment we like to call Whyd they do that, Im going
to attempt to explain why all car antennas are not alike. While many antennas
are smooth, have you ever noticed how some others look like they have a wire
wrapped around them, or have a spiral groove in them? You know what thats for?
Its to cut down on wind noise and vibration. That spiral shape actually helps
the antenna slice through the wind more easily, so its quieter. When an antenna
is mounted on the front fender, as the wind comes off it, that noise is actually
directed right at the driver. These spiral-type antennas direct the noise
off to the side of the car. And you know how automotive engineers test these
antennas to see how quiet they are? They go outside and swish them around like
swords!"
>From http://www.topspeed.com/cars/ford/2007-ford-edge-ar32661.html
"Even the radio antenna was scrutinized. By modifying the pitch and height of the
spiral by tenths of a millimeter, wind noise was reduced by as much as two
decibels."
>From http://www.autoworld.com/cutlass.htm
"The radio antenna has a spiral-ground groove to prevent wind whistles."
However, I don't think wind noise is an apples-to-apples comparison to drag. I
am not an aeronautical engineer nor did I sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last
night, but I don't think the logic behind one translates directly to the other.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: 3 days to rebuild--very impressive |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Mike,
You almost sound like you don't believe Tools. The crack about paint matching gave
it away.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Could be Aircraft Related... |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Still worth researching... ever try to teach someone to fly in a Piet? EVERY decibel
counts. Just sayin'...
Now curious about how many folks have actually learned to fly in a Piet. Scott
has ONE lesson in a Taylorcraft, the rest in a Piet.
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| Subject: | Re: 3 days to rebuild--very impressive |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Oh ya, the paint matching... no, that's included. Dick is a true gentleman, he
shipped me the correct paint when he heard of the accident.
As is the rest of the Minnesota crowd by the way. UNBELIEVABLE group of folks,
not surprising, birthplace of the Piet.
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: straight axle landing gear |
You're welcome. Yes, I'm in Vancouver.
Since you said "up" can I assume you're
in Washington?
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Aho
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 7:22 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: straight axle landing gear
Thank you Clif I appreciate the info as I have been very interested in
the types of brakes and ways other have delt with the rotation issue. On
my first Piet NX40772 I used a rather crude method although as I think
about it I suppose it fit the era of the design and it did work. I am a
simple person so I am facinated at the enginuity and craftsmanship of
others. Am I correct that you live up in Beautiful BC? Greetings from a
fellow N. Westerner
Craig
> From: cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: straight axle landing gear
> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 23:39:56 -0700
>
> The entire brake assembly is free floating on the
> axle. The axle does whatever it would do if
> there weren't any brakes at all. I went through
> a few trees worth of paper to come up with the
> position and angles that would minimize the
> rotational movement of the brake assembly as
> the axle goes up and down over bumps.
>
> I don't expect to be using the brakes moving
> over anything that bumpy anyway and I certainly
> don't plan on hitting the brakes on touchdown! :-)
> And not when moving at more than a snails pace
> either. Mostly for runup and pivot turning. Just
> like the Chief I presently fly. On the grass at my
> strip, idle the engine and it stops pretty quick on
> it's own.
>
> This pic illustrates the main parts. The disc, of
> course, bolts to the wheel hub.There is a large
> bearing sheet between that and the plate on the
> right shown by a thick dark line. The only things
> attached to the axle are the end cap and split
> collar. They hold everything in place and
> alignment. Clear as mud ??? :-)
>
> Clif
> Nothing worse could happen to one than
> to be completely understood.
> C.G.Jung
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Am trying to visualize how this works, so the white metal arm is
free to
> > pivot up and back down with the axel and still prevents rotation
under
> > braking? I assume we only need 2-3 inches of travel for the axel?
> >
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Could be Aircraft Related... |
Aren't our cables already twisted? Or is it just me?
Don't answer that!!! :-)
Clif
>>From http://www.theautochannel.com/mania/industry/Transcripts/2000/118.htm
> [Why'd They Do That? - Car Antennas]
> John McElroy, American Driver
> "And, finally tonight, in a segment we like to call ?oWhy?Td they do
> that, I?Tm going to attempt to explain why all car antennas are not
> alike. While many antennas are smooth, have you ever noticed how some
> others look like they have a wire wrapped around them, or have a spiral
> groove in them? You know what that?Ts for? It?Ts to cut down on wind
> noise and vibration. That spiral shape actually helps the antenna slice
> through the wind more easily, so it?Ts quieter. When an antenna is
> mounted on the front fender, as the wind comes off it, that noise is
> actually directed right at the driver. These spiral-type antennas direct
> the noise off to the side of the car. And you know how automotive
> engineers test these antennas to see how quiet they are? They go outside
> and swish them around like swords!"
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Mario's progress |
Looks GREAT Mario!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: 3 days to rebuild--very impressive |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Tools,
Wow! You should have a future in the aircraft restoration business. You'll undercut
everybody out there! That is some impressive time. You need to share
how you get your glue and your dope to dry fast enough for all the build up coats.
I know if I spray more than three coats a day it starts to really act up
on me.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: "Re-PIET" tire change |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Douwe, this is your finest work of art! And THAT'S saying something!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: tools <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 9, 2013 8:52 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Re-PIET" tire change
Gray tyres, schmay tyres... (although the gray is TOTALLY cool...), it IS a
beautiful ship.
Every pic I see seems to show off a few more details.
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| From: | Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mario's progress |
Thank you all, but Douwe great looks your Piet!!! this round nose, the
silencer/exaust tube (or muffle?), the color scheme.. the wood struts and
cabanes...etc, etc.. a beautifull job.
see you.
Mario Giacummo
. -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- /
...- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - .
2013/4/10 Douwe Blumberg
> Looks GREAT Mario! ****
>
> ** **
>
> Douwe****
>
> *
>
> *
>
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Anybody know what Jeff Boatwright's email is? Somebody I know needs it. Tha
nks.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Finish a wing |
| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Craig, can you post a photo?... how is the adherence between latex an polyurethane?
latex is very flexible, polyurethane is hard. Can you tell me more?
thanks
--------
Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| From: | Gardiner <airlion2(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need contact |
On 4/10/2013 8:12 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Anybody know what Jeff Boatwright's email is? Somebody I know needs
> it. Thanks.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> *
> his email isjeffboatright(at)emory.edu cheers, gardiner
>
> *
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Could be Aircraft Related... |
Thanks Terry.- I have no idea about noise and drag being related either.
- I am curious if this idea would work along the lines of- VGs on wings
or dimples on a golf ball.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Could be Aircraft Related... |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Michael,
My assumption would be (and I know what happens when you assume) that there might
be some small correlation, but the cost of such modification and the actual
drag relief gained would be inversely related.
I guess that is a nice way of saying, "it ain't worth it". But what do I know.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
Since this will be my first time to Brodhead, has anyone got any pictures of their
front cockpit loaded with camping gear? With food onsite - my guess is a
small tent and sleeping bag.
One would also not want to be without the necessities (microwave, ice box, suit
case, fold-up bike, and of course, the kitchen sink) :-)
BTW, last count, I think there are at least 5 Piets making the pilgrimage to Brodhead
as a formation starting in Virginia. I think we are picking up a few more
enroute. No firm departure date has been set - but I would guess Monday
or Tuesday ( July 22-23). As a tag-a-long, I'm ready to go either day.
The details for the 38th Annual Pietenpol Reunion are posted on the Brodhead Pietenpol Association website at: http://www.pietenpols.org/id17.html
--------
Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| From: | Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: straight axle landing gear |
Yes=2C Seattle area. Howdy Neighbor. Craig
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| Subject: | Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Jim,
It's good to hear you are going to try to fly in. You know Mr. Sam has been to
Brodhead a time or two in the past. Probably mid 90's. that's a really good
airplane. I'm on the road right now but when I get back in the next day or two
I will post a couple of pictures of my bag/sling I use. Works great and is
a bag that you can order, even has a lid. If you get a chance try to talk to
Andrew King, I'm sure he could share some stories about Mr. Sam. He's actually
not too far from you.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | For the record... geesh... |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Nearly a year ago, in April, my Piet was severely damaged during a landing. One
of the wood gear members gave out, which caused a collapse of the gear, causing
the fuselage to drop onto the solid axle thusly breaking the bottom longerons
(and a little of the side skins). Also, three of the four wing struts came
into contact with the wheels, and bent them.
Also suffered a prop strike.
I was fortunate no one was hurt (was alone), and it was in my back yard.
It was almost exactly 4 months until the airplane was airworthy again. Of those
4 months, there were probably 3 1/2 weeks worth of work days put into the plane.
This included extensive dismantling so that I could store as much as possible,
close to my shop. The wing had to get transported (didn't have my wing
trailer then) to a friend's shop, where it got stored until ready to go back
together. Was another fiasco getting it back to the property and onto the plane,
learned a lot!
The prop was damaged but the engine was not (me and friend took it apart, had all
the parts inspected, put it all back together...). Other than that, 3 of the
4 wing struts were damaged. 3 of the 4 gear members were damaged. Two longerons,
two side skins, belly skin and a crossmember. Nine pieces of wood, three
pieces of metal.
Repairs to the fuselage took 3 days. Not very amazing. When I started repairs
on the fuse, it was a hundred or so pound structure. Nothing but wood, fabric,
tailwheel and some fittings. I could lift it and turn it over by myself, it
was THAT dismantled (so it would fit where my woodworking stuff is).
When I was done, it was the same 100 pound (or so) structure, but without broken
wood or torn fabric anywhere. I had to replace sections on 4 pieces of the
original fuse (longerons and side skins), and make and install a new crossmember
and belly skin. That's it. I purposely staged in a way that actual repairs
would go quickly so that it wasn't apart long. Both for memory sake and because
wood tends to do some moving on it's own.
Since three of the gear legs were destroyed (I had replaced one already, it survived),
I just made an all new set. I had patterns...
At that point, putting it all back together was akin to all y'alls (who've built
or restored one) final assembly. Incredibly tedious and time consuming.
But the repairs to the fuse were not. Very straight forward and akin to installing
a door on a previously completed and covered fuse I imagine, which is why
I referred to it. I never even came close to claiming I took an airplane resting
on an axle in a field back to airworthy in three days. I repaired the damage
in three.
Incredible cynicism makes it tough to determine if it was just not very obvious
(I didn't tell EVERYTHING because it wasn't germain to installing a door), or
just plain rudeness that elevated a simple description of repairs to a fuselage
into grand claims of restoration abilities. One would think the former would
result in a simple question...
The repairs came out really really well, I was extremely happy with them and their
performance. The repaired fabric, not so much... I'm happy to practice that
sort of thing now. Safe and completely functional, but I've got some work
to do there.
I really wanted to document it all really well, but my camera was broke, don't
own a smart phone and I was in a hurry.
And now you have, ala Paul Harvey, the rest of the story...
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: For the record... geesh... |
Nice wrap up Tools. I applaud your efforts and the work you put forth to: 1) repair
your AC and 2) write a debrief as you just have.
One comment I will make about your previous post: I believed you hinted at cleanliness
and orginization in your shop. I could not agree with you more. IMO, nothing
is much more irritating than spending time looking for a tool hidden under
some debris on the far end of a work bench. A clean, well organized shop goes
a long way to adding to the enjoyment of our craft.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: For the record... geesh... |
UNCLASSIFIED
Mike the two Aircraft craftsmen I respect the most are very different. One disassembles
things and places them in specific baggies and has his tools labeled
and put on a board. If one is missing there is a obvious blank spot. He has only
the most current and best quality tools. His workshop is light and airish
with a lot of room for each project. Only one project at a time and they are more
"Modern"
The other has piles of scrap metal and parts piled all around the walls of his
hangar/workshop. He has shelves just covered with parts, nuts, bolts screws and
misc other items. His hangar/workshop is crowded, dark and somewhat dirty.
(NOTE he does insist that all tools go back to the right drawers or the right
shelf.) He always has 4 or 5 projects going and piles of parts laying under the
project. He is always being sidetracked by people needing his help on their
project. His tools are mostly 1930-70 vintage and require a bit of knowledge to
run (He has a lathe that will turn out a 6 ft long axle if you need. It has
a huge electric motor and a Ford Model A tranny to adjust the speeds.)
both men are master craftsmen. The "sloppy" one has the greater knowledge.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 04/10/13, Michael Perez wrote:
>
> Nice wrap up Tools. I applaud your efforts and the work you put forth to: 1)
repair your AC and 2) write a debrief as you just have.
>
> One comment I will make about your previous post: I believed you hinted at cleanliness
and orginization in your shop. I could not agree with you more. IMO,
nothing is much more irritating than spending time looking for a tool hidden
under some debris on the far end of a work bench. A clean, well organized shop
goes a long way to adding to the enjoyment of our craft.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Pietenpol storage bag |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
I wanted to post the pictures of my storage bag I use for taking trips. Jim, Mr.
Sam's new owner was asking. I don't want to tell too many people but the bag
I use is a "Thirty One" bag. Most women will know what that is. This is about
the most "manly" bag they make. I'm sure some of you would like to dress
up your Piet a little with pink, polka dots, and flowers, which are all available
with this bag, but I chose straight black. :-) Anyway the really cool thing
about this bag is it is exactly the right width to drop down in the front
cockpit. I added a couple of dowel rods so it can hang on the longerons. It
has a wire stiffened top, all the way around the bag. You can even buy a lid
with it. In the one picture with my son in the front you can start to see the
lid. We used this last year for our week long Barnstorming trip. It hangs
above his legs so he still had room under the bag. Really worked great. If interested
I can get the order number from my wife.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | 'both men are master craftsman' |
Steve-- well said. I know a local guy who cranks out award winning work b
ut his shop is a shambles yet he knows
where every nut, bolt, and document is. He's owned his own airport for mo
re than 50 years and still does show-stopping
work in his 80's.
My good friend Bill Klosz took a look at my tools and basement when I finis
hed my airplane and he said 'how did
you make such a nice looking airplane with such junkie tools?'
both men are master craftsmen. The "sloppy" one has the greater knowledge.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | "CraigAho" <Soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
I decided that on my new ship I will re-use my original wire wheels but leave them
uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer painted them originally
before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble them so I can repaint
the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I will have to paint the
spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint probably or maybe some contrasting
color. Not sure what colors I will paint my new ship but at this point I
like Black and light blue, but that is a ways off at this point. Also am considering
if I could use my original 4.5" brake drums with a Band instead of the
internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris were not deployed overseas with the Navy as
he is an excellent Bike Mechanic and I would have him re-lace and true so I wouldn't
have to do it again.
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| Subject: | Re: For the record... geesh... |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Oh... may have led folks astray again...
I'm, well, while not attesting to the "greater" knowledge portion, DEFINITELY in
the latter description!
However, with the hangar and new shop I plan to gravitate towards the former as
much as possible! Mike's shop makes me green with envy. Reminds me of the "model
airplane factory", a guy I know near Huntsville. A true renaissance type
with a shop that looks like a laboratory. And while it's that neat and clean,
he gets A LOT done. And it's SUPER high quality. If he ever decided to build
a plane (not sure he hasn't actually), it would be done in a year and it makes
me tingly to think how nice it would look... and then he'd sell it, lose
interest, and go on to the next venture.
The tools go a bit further back (turn of the century), and they all have some quirk
or another (hell, many of them literally came off a scrap truck...), so ya,
I'm firmly in that camp.
Getting a new line shaft driven Rockford metal lathe. Ten cents a pound, under
two hundred bucks. Either he stops by my house, or the scrapyard... Don't think
I could sleep at night if I let that thing get melted down. It's one hundred
percent functional, probably be the best condition lathe I own. It'll turn
18 (or 20) in diameter and about 5' between centers, complete with the single
machine overhead lineshaft and 1930's electric motor AND a belt lacer! Cheaper
than an asian 9x20... One and a half inch through hole, PERFECT for an airplane
axle.
Just got a 1940's (maybe earlier) Nichols mill given to me. It needs a little
work... Talk about the PERFECT machine for fish mouthing aircraft tubing.
I don't know if I'll ever get a Piet built.
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| Subject: | Re: For the record... geesh... |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Well, kinda thought that would eventually come up.
Like ALL mishaps, it's a very long chain...
First, the gear legs weren't all that well fitted within the fuse fittings (these
were NOT made my Dick, it's VERY clear in the builder's log they came with
the fuse already made and fitted), and by appearances, they looked fine.
Second, I LEARNED to fly a tail dragger in this thing. My son LEARNED to fly in
this thing... we were NOT babying it by ANY means?! Ya know? Ya, it definitely
took some hits. We found one leg had developed some cracks, so we replaced
it. Not easy, but took measurements and fabricated a replacement leg and installed
it at the hangar 10 miles from my shop. It fit perfectly only needing
some relief where there was a thing I couldn't see... not a big deal. I could
see they needed to be a bit thicker, so did that and brought some shims to
get a good fit between the fuse fittings.
Third, it was UGLY, and I knew it, but PERFECTLY functional, just wanted to keep
flying to didn't even bother to round it, streamline it, anything. Was going
to build some new gear but wanted it at the house (I've got JUST enough property
to put in a single direction landing strip (take off down hill, land up hill,
PLENTY of room and good approach/departure). So, had landed there a dozen
times, my son was landing there, all was good... and the DAY I finally had enough
time off to get the gear project done and the forecast was good enough to
keep the plane outdoors, I decided to bring it to the house... a perfect touchdown...
but a bit fast... lapped the stick and got airborne for a bounce. THAT
bounce broke one of the other three legs, can't determine which one, and down
came the house of cards.
Post mishap analysis shows the legs had very elongated holes from movement. I
didn't see that, but realize in hind sight I should have known from the other
leg I removed... dammit! The one replacement held on well enough to take the
fitting right out of the fuse. The others just popped free.
I think wrapping (like you can clearly see on Dowe's plane, sure I've seen it on
others) would have helped for sure. Bust mostly, they need to fit the fittings
TIGHTLY. Snug fits, tight bolts, up tight to the bottom of the fuse. Like
wood struts, you want friction between the fitting and the wood to provide the
strength (many make these fittings larger) and the bolts to merely provide
that friction.
So, starting with headwork and working your way back, it's the execution of what's
on the plans that will keep you out of trouble. Poorer execution can be compensated
for by beefing up to some degree.
A VERY STRONG design.
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Spoked Wheels |
Craig,
How did you cover the wheels with fabric?
Ray Krause
SkyScout
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:02 AM, "CraigAho" wrote:
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> I decided that on my new ship I will re-use my original wire wheels but leave
them uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer painted them originally
before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble them so I can repaint
the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I will have to paint the
spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint probably or maybe some contrasting
color. Not sure what colors I will paint my new ship but at this point
I like Black and light blue, but that is a ways off at this point. Also am considering
if I could use my original 4.5" brake drums with a Band instead of the
internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris were not deployed overseas with the Navy
as he is an excellent Bike Mechanic and I would have him re-lace and true so I
wouldn't have to do it again.
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| Subject: | Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Duffel bag in the front seat.
Mr. McWhorter, would you please e-mail me privately? I'd like to send you some
information: kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Anyone near Denver? |
| From: | Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Am near Denver for meetings and might be free tonite. Ken or any builders in the
area gonna be working tonite or want to show off their project? Best to just
call me. 805 573 3564
Sent from my iPhon
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol storage bag |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Do they make "Hello Kitty" bags, Don?
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone near Denver? |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Douwe, I'd be delighted to have you drop by. I'm in Longmont, which is
about 45 minutes to an hour north of Denver, depending on where you are
staying. I should be home from work by 6:00. You can save me from putting
on the perimeter finishing tapes on the horizontal stabilizer this evening
and cutting finishing tapes for the ailerons. Call me on my cell: 303
746
3313
Cheers, Ken
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> douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
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> Am near Denver for meetings and might be free tonite. Ken or any builders
> in the area gonna be working tonite or want to show off their project?
> Best to just call me. 805 573 3564
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| From: | Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
If I am remembering correctly I first put the tire on and then cut a piece
of fabric out slightly larger in diam. than the rim and pushed the tire bea
d back brushed in some glue and tucked the fabric in working my way around
the rim. I also glued to the wood spacer I applied to my hub. Later I shrun
k the fabric and cut out the axel hole. that was all there was to it. Craig
> From: raykrause(at)frontiernet.net
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels
> Date: Wed=2C 10 Apr 2013 13:04:35 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
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> How did you cover the wheels with fabric?
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> SkyScout
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leave them uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer painted
them originally before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble them so
I can repaint the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I will h
ave to paint the spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint probably
or maybe some contrasting color. Not sure what colors I will paint my new s
hip but at this point I like Black and light blue=2C but that is a ways off
at this point. Also am considering if I could use my original 4.5" brake d
rums with a Band instead of the internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris were not
deployed overseas with the Navy as he is an excellent Bike Mechanic and I w
ould have him re-lace and true so I wouldn't have to do it again.
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| From: | Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
Forgot to mention that the fabric is installed before inflating the tire. I
know this seems obvious but just in case. Craig
> From: raykrause(at)frontiernet.net
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels
> Date: Wed=2C 10 Apr 2013 13:04:35 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
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> How did you cover the wheels with fabric?
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> > I decided that on my new ship I will re-use my original wire wheels but
leave them uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer painted
them originally before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble them so
I can repaint the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I will h
ave to paint the spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint probably
or maybe some contrasting color. Not sure what colors I will paint my new s
hip but at this point I like Black and light blue=2C but that is a ways off
at this point. Also am considering if I could use my original 4.5" brake d
rums with a Band instead of the internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris were not
deployed overseas with the Navy as he is an excellent Bike Mechanic and I w
ould have him re-lace and true so I wouldn't have to do it again.
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| Subject: | Have you guys seen this before? |
| From: | Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
I watched part of this demo today, and for those of us that have an iPad,
or iPhone, this looks like a useful tool... And at just $99, it won't break
the wallet. What I found most interesting is the constant tracking of your
location and where you could "power off" land in the event of an engine
failure. The video demo was outstanding on this. The iPad will literally
draw a series of boxes to fly through to make it to the landing spot wit
proper speed and direction taken into account. Pretty neat!
Anyway, for what it is worth to the community:
http://xavion.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3KE00OMiKVQ
Mark
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Thanks
ralph
I didnt realize Youngbloods was carrying sitka spruce again. They are a
very good yard, when I get home I will check them out.
Thanks
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: An Inquiry
Hi Dick,
I think the name of the lumberyard I went to was something like
Youngblood=99s. Some one at Brodhead had told me about it saying
it was where canoe and other wood boat builders bought their lumber. It
was a lot of years ago but it seems like it was in north central area of
Minneapolis. They had just gotten in a shipment of sitka spruce and I
could pick through for what I wanted. There was very straight grain
1=9D by 6=9D (full size) boards about 16 feet long. I
hauled it on top of my Dodge caravan and had to leave my camper in my
cousins yard north of Stillwater to haul my lumber home. It is amazing
how your priorities change when you are in the early stages of airplane
construction.
Ralph
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Hey ya'all
Hi from SNF, hope you can make it down here, weather is beautiful. We
are building a Pietenpol fuselage and wing ribs in the wood shop this
year it is going really good. So far Skip Gadd, Ben Chevranet and I are
working every day. John Hoffman and his wife stopped by today, I will
be looking for Perry Rhodes we all hope more of you can make it down
here.
Later
Dick N.
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| From: | Ryan M <Aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> |
The kids and I are planning on stopping by Saturday.
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 10, 2013, at 7:14 PM, "Dick N" wrote:
> Hey ya'all
> Hi from SNF, hope you can make it down here, weather is beautiful. We are
building a Pietenpol fuselage and wing ribs in the wood shop this year it i
s going really good. So far Skip Gadd, Ben Chevranet and I are working ever
y day. John Hoffman and his wife stopped by today, I will be looking for Pe
rry Rhodes we all hope more of you can make it down here.
> Later
> Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol storage bag |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
Yes, for sure! Please post the ordering details.
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
Yes,, I do know Andrew King - he visits the Flying Circus occasionally, He worked
with Ken Hyde on the Wright Brothers project, and he flew biplanes in the movie
'Fly Boys". Neat guy. I will touch base with him and see what war stories
he has about "Mr. Sam"
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol storage bag |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
Looks like I would have to remove the front control stick to install.
I am thinking/hoping enough room in a duffle in front seat
On Apr 10, 2013 6:56 PM, "Fun2av8" wrote:
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> Jim McWhorter
> N687MB (New Owner)
> Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
3 Days and counting until I pick-up my new Pietenpol .... not that I'm counting
or anything like that. :D
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Bump |
Don't tell anyone, Mark, especially Mike Cuy...I don't have Uncle Tony's
books.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 10:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Bump
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That's cool Gary! You gotta tell me how it's done, or is this in one of
Uncle Tony's books too! I've got the whole set, but haven't cracked the
engine ones yet...
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In |
Jim,
For the first couple of years, I carried everything with me. I carried my
tent and sleeping bag in the nose baggage compartment and carried all my
clothes in a duffle bag in the front seat, as shown in the picture below:
This picture was taken while flying over northern Ohio in formation with
Mike Cuy when I flew to Brodhead for the first time in 2005.
Since then, I learned to ship my camping gear to a friend who lives not too
far from Brodhead. Even later, I learned to just leave it with him and let
him store it for me since I don't camp anywhere else but Brodhead.
Does Mr. Sam have a baggage compartment? Many Piets have either a nose
baggage compartment or a wing centersection baggage compartment, but if you
have neither, then a sling for the front seat as Don Emch mentioned is the
best solution.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fun2av8
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:19 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In
Since this will be my first time to Brodhead, has anyone got any pictures of
their front cockpit loaded with camping gear? With food onsite - my guess
is a small tent and sleeping bag.
One would also not want to be without the necessities (microwave, ice box,
suit case, fold-up bike, and of course, the kitchen sink) :-)
BTW, last count, I think there are at least 5 Piets making the pilgrimage to
Brodhead as a formation starting in Virginia. I think we are picking up a
few more enroute. No firm departure date has been set - but I would guess
Monday or Tuesday ( July 22-23). As a tag-a-long, I'm ready to go either
day.
The details for the 38th Annual Pietenpol Reunion are posted on the Brodhead
Pietenpol Association website at: http://www.pietenpols.org/id17.html
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol storage bag |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
I'll get that order information from my wife. There are several colors available
and you can even have your N Number embroidered on there. I'll get the cost
too. Kevin, I checked, sorry no Hello Kitty but my wife is checking for other
pretty colors for you. :-)
By the way, I made my front stick to be quickly removable and it has to be out
for the bag to be in there. What I like most about it us I can still have a passenger
up there too.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol storage bag |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I have a standard soft-sided zippered suitcase out in the garage. The zippers
have been mangled enough by airport security and DHS to where the suitcase is
useless anymore, but I've kept it so I could salvage the roller wheels and telescoping
handle/spine from it. I have been thinking about how to custom-make
a travel bag that would fit in the front cockpit of the Piet but use the handle,
spine, and wheels from the salvaged suitcase. It would be wedge-shaped with
the bottom the same size as the front seat of an Air Camper and the top the
width of the front cockpit so it could be strapped in just like a passenger and
it would ride securely in there. It would not require removal of the front
stick. It would not interfere with the pilot's feet or the rudder bar or the
brake pedals. It would lift out, the handle would telescope out just like in
the airport, and off we go on roller wheels. Probably be a little wobbly since
it would be in the shape of a 'V', but I've even thought about putting the wheels
on the 'top' and the handle on the 'bottom' so that it would ride over the
ground like an inverted 'V' and be more stable.
Now I only have 999,998 other projects ahead of that one. If someone else wants
to invent this thing and start selling them, I'll bet they could sell 8 or 10
of them to lunatics like me who fly Air Campers and who think they can travel
somewhere in a 70 MPH airplane with a 2 hour range ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Ask him about the road grader...
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Have you guys seen this before? |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Mark; that is awesome! Now to figure out how to fit an iPad into my instrument
panel ;o) And the magenta hoops would be diving pretty much straight down for
a power-off approach in the Piet ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: For the record...(edit) wood landing gear lessons |
learned
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Tools,
I see Monterey written all over your last couple of posts on this thread. For the
non-naval aviation types, Monterey was for many years the home of the Navy's
Aviation Safety School. I know from previous conversations that Tools spent
time there, went through the course,and was the Aviation Safety Officer for his
squadron.
Thanks, Tools, for the description, analysis, and recommendations from this incident.
It's not always easy to state the good the bad and the ugly when things
happen. Hopefully sharing will help others to avoid a repeat and damage to their
aircraft.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Have you guys seen this before? |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Ha! My thoughts exactly ...
In thinking the glide slope squares would be close together and dang near vertical
:D
The app would say: nearest landing point is directly below you...
Anyway, I thought it was a cool app, and something I can add to the iPad I am using
to reply to this message!
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol storage bag |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Hi I am Don's wife. The only way you can buy these is from a "thirty one" consultant,
I am not one, but my friend is. I got one for my hubby because I thought
it would be neat in the plane. :-). Brownie points for me!!
The solid colors they come in are: black, forest green, grey, maroon, navy, orange,
purple, red, royal blue and camo. They do have some pretty circles and
floral patterns:-). HAPPY DOTS is my favorite, haha.
You can get a lid, they come in black, grey and brown.
The cost of these to be shipped to your home is $52.01. She waived the extra shipping
fee.
The cost to have your N number put on it in a color of your choice via embroidery
is $60.09.
They are a bit pricy...but Don likes it. We are not getting anything out of this.
If you want one let him know.
:-)
gretchen
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol storage bag |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Oh my... so I was showing this to my girlfriend... and she's got one for me already!
She promises the polka dots aren't girly. Oh my...
Anyone have any experience with Ritt dye?
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| Subject: | Re: For the record...(edit) wood landing gear lessons |
learned
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
ASO school was even more depressing... six weeks of how your buddies morted themselves.
So this is child's play... no worries!
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Spoked Wheels |
Thanks for the description, Craig. I have always thought it was some diffic
ult system of making discs, mounting them, etc. I think the covered (disc) w
heels just look so authentic.
Thanks again.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 10, 2013, at 2:32 PM, Craig Aho wrote:
> If I am remembering correctly I first put the tire on and then cut a piece
of fabric out slightly larger in diam. than the rim and pushed the tire bea
d back brushed in some glue and tucked the fabric in working my way around t
he rim. I also glued to the wood spacer I applied to my hub. Later I shrunk t
he fabric and cut out the axel hole. that was all there was to it.
>
> Craig
>
> > From: raykrause(at)frontiernet.net
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels
> > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:04:35 -0700
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >
net>
> >
> > Craig,
> >
> > How did you cover the wheels with fabric?
> >
> > Ray Krause
> > SkyScout
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:02 AM, "CraigAho" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I decided that on my new ship I will re-use my original wire wheels bu
t leave them uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer painted t
hem originally before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble them so I
can repaint the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I will have
to paint the spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint probably or m
aybe some contrasting color. Not sure what colors I will paint my new ship b
ut at this point I like Black and light blue, but that is a ways off at this
point. Also am considering if I could use my original 4.5" brake drums with
a Band instead of the internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris were not deployed o
verseas with the Navy as he is an excellent Bike Mechanic and I would have h
im re-lace and true so I wouldn't have to do it again.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Spoked Wheels |
Got it.
Thanks again,
Ray
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 10, 2013, at 2:37 PM, Craig Aho wrote:
> Forgot to mention that the fabric is installed before inflating the tire. I
know this seems obvious but just in case.
>
> Craig
>
> > From: raykrause(at)frontiernet.net
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels
> > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:04:35 -0700
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >
net>
> >
> > Craig,
> >
> > How did you cover the wheels with fabric?
> >
> > Ray Krause
> > SkyScout
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:02 AM, "CraigAho" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I decided that on my new ship I will re-use my original wire wheels bu
t leave them uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer painted t
hem originally before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble them so I
can repaint the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I will have
to paint the spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint probably or m
aybe some contrasting color. Not sure what colors I will paint my new ship b
ut at this point I like Black and light blue, but that is a ways off at this
point. Also am considering if I could use my original 4.5" brake drums with
a Band instead of the internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris were not deployed o
verseas with the Navy as he is an excellent Bike Mechanic and I would have h
im re-lace and true so I wouldn't have to do it again.
> > >
> > >
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| Subject: | rudder bar stops |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I believe it was Clif who posted some nice pix of his rudder bar, cables, and associated
details in that area. His hand-shaped wooden rudder bar stops were
included. I would consider stops to be essential. Besides the fact that the
rudder *will* strike the elevators if the rudder bar is permitted to travel to
its full extents, the other problem is that the pilot's feet AND the rudder bar
can contact the front seat plywood upright support if there are no stops.
Ask me how I know... I'm getting ready to repair a separation of the plywood from
the floor x-member due to my shoe pushing the plywood to the point of failure
at the glue joint.
You talk about a pain to get in there and make a repair... working bent over the
edge of the front cockpit isn't too easy, especially if you enjoy craft microbrew
ales and stouts and your midsection shows it. Like tools mentioned, hand
tools are really the only way to carefully remove the damaged work in these
areas and then shape replacements, but those oscillating multi-tools could possibly
used to advantage in situations like this IF one had good control of the
tool and was slow and patient.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: rudder bar stops |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Those oscillating multi tools are new to me and deserve come careful consideration.
I believe they are mostly going to reduce some effort on large jobs, like
cutting door jambs and such for hardwood flooring installations.
The "one of" jobs like in airplane repairs and building are still probably best
suited for a decent selection of hand tools.
Still, just recently saw the newer generation of those things and am really intrigued.
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| Subject: | Re: rudder bar stops |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
By the way... craft micro brews and such... YA, really enjoy them! Been an all
grain brewer for many years, but finally upgrading to trying a heat exchange
recirculating mash system. I have a Brutus 10 in the works...
Was thinking of brewing a special brew for Brodhead if there's interest in such.
Can either bottle it or just have it available on tap (easier).
Just threw a Creme Brulee Stout clone in the fermenter!
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| Subject: | Re: rudder bar stops |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Lastly, those tools use "universal" motors. IF they aren't speed controlled, a
cheap "router speed controller" (available all day long for cheap on ebay) would
tame those things. I use them on older Biax scrapers that aren't inherently
speed controllable. Work great.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol storage bag |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Great Mike! I'm sure you'll like how it works in there. Polka dots and all!
I did add a 1/16" plywood bottom to mine. Just cut a piece and laid it in there.
Gives a nice solid bottom to it. I've hauled all kinds of stuff in there!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Rudder Bar Stops |
Oscar mentioned the importance of using mechanical stops on the rudder bar
to prevent the rudder from impacting the elevators upon full deflection.-
When I was fabricating/setting up my flight controls, I positioned the rud
der bar mount so that when the bar itself was fully deflected and touched t
he front seat vertical supports, the rudder would stop short of hitting the
elevators.- The vertical seat supports were "covered" with the aluminum
angle "stops".
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: rudder bar stops |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Oscillating multi tools aren't actually new. They have been available for over
25 years, through a German company named Fein, who invented the tool. However,
a few years ago, Fein's patent on the design ran out, and now there are dozens
of variations available, from almost every manufacturer of electric hand
tools. They seem to be everywhere now. They are extremely useful for certain
applications, but, as Oscar said, maintaining good control of the tool is essential.
Because the tool's operation is based on oscillation, there naturally
is quite a bit of vibration inherent in the tool, which makes it easy for the
cutting edge to wander - especially when starting a cut. So, be careful if using
one of these tools for precision work. Practice on a bunch of scrap before
taking the tool to your plane. I haven't yet used one on my Piet, but I'm
sure there may be occasions when it would be "just the ticket" to do a certain
job. Of course, there are always multiple ways to tackle any problem, and most
likely the problems that could be handled by a multi tool could also be handled
by certain hand tools (if you have them, and know how to use them).
Bill C.
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
While at Sun-n-Fun yesterday, stopped into the wood shop to say hello to
some good people. My wife took some pictures to share to the list. =46rom
top to bottom.
With Dick Navritil. We are showing the new Jiblett 616 airfoil with the
built-in bulltex generators. Dick says this airfoil should provide
triple the climb rate and a cruise speed of Mach .6 on an average
Pietenpol.
Next up we have Ben Charvet with the center section of the Jiblett 616.
This one is top secret..
Last and certainly not least is Skip Gadd. Skip and I seem to bump into
each a bit in recent years. Always good to see him.
The SNF wood shop is well manned and it is good to see the Piet
community giving back to sport aviation. My hat is off to them (except I
never really took it off)
and look forward to seeing them at Brodhead.
Seriously, they are doing a great job and mentioned the interest in wood
working seemed up this year compared to the recent past.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | rudder bar stops |
Here's one man's method of installing rudder bar stops. Simple poplar wood
blocks glued in with T-88.
Mike C.
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| From: | Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
on the faces of my hubs I cut a 1/4 or 3/8 thick plywood donut and glued th
at to the hub. That kept the fabric off the spoke heads and gave a smoth ap
pearance plus it served as a spacer for the brake drum. I know that I have
a couple more photos somewhere and I will try to post later today. Craig
From: raykrause(at)frontiernet.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels
Date: Wed=2C 10 Apr 2013 20:59:58 -0700
Thanks for the description=2C Craig. I have always thought it was some dif
ficult system of making discs=2C mounting them=2C etc. I think the covered
(disc) wheels just look so authentic.
Thanks again.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 10=2C 2013=2C at 2:32 PM=2C Craig Aho wrote:
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If I am remembering correctly I first put the tire on and then cut a piece
of fabric out slightly larger in diam. than the rim and pushed the tire bea
d back brushed in some glue and tucked the fabric in working my way around
the rim. I also glued to the wood spacer I applied to my hub. Later I shrun
k the fabric and cut out the axel hole. that was all there was to it.
Craig
> From: raykrause(at)frontiernet.net
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels
> Date: Wed=2C 10 Apr 2013 13:04:35 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
et>
>
> Craig=2C
>
> How did you cover the wheels with fabric?
>
> Ray Krause
> SkyScout
>
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> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 10=2C 2013=2C at 11:02 AM=2C "CraigAho" wrot
e:
>
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> > I decided that on my new ship I will re-use my original wire wheels but
leave them uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer painted
them originally before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble them so
I can repaint the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I will h
ave to paint the spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint probably
or maybe some contrasting color. Not sure what colors I will paint my new s
hip but at this point I like Black and light blue=2C but that is a ways off
at this point. Also am considering if I could use my original 4.5" brake d
rums with a Band instead of the internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris were not
deployed overseas with the Navy as he is an excellent Bike Mechanic and I w
ould have him re-lace and true so I wouldn't have to do it again.
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
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| From: | Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Spoked Wheels |
Great idea, I'am going to do it
Mario Giacummo
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2013/4/11 Craig Aho
> on the faces of my hubs I cut a 1/4 or 3/8 thick plywood donut and glued
> that to the hub. That kept the fabric off the spoke heads and gave a smoth
> appearance plus it served as a spacer for the brake drum. I know that I
> have a couple more photos somewhere and I will try to post later today.
>
> Craig
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: raykrause(at)frontiernet.net
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:59:58 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Thanks for the description, Craig. I have always thought it was some
> difficult system of making discs, mounting them, etc. I think the covered
> (disc) wheels just look so authentic.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Ray Krause
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 10, 2013, at 2:32 PM, Craig Aho wrote:
>
> If I am remembering correctly I first put the tire on and then cut a piece
> of fabric out slightly larger in diam. than the rim and pushed the tire
> bead back brushed in some glue and tucked the fabric in working my way
> around the rim. I also glued to the wood spacer I applied to my hub. Later
> I shrunk the fabric and cut out the axel hole. that was all there was to it.
>
> Craig
>
> > From: raykrause(at)frontiernet.net
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spoked Wheels
> > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:04:35 -0700
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
> >
> > Craig,
> >
> > How did you cover the wheels with fabric?
> >
> > Ray Krause
> > SkyScout
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:02 AM, "CraigAho" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I decided that on my new ship I will re-use my original wire wheels
> but leave them uncovered. the spokes are plain steel and I had primer
> painted them originally before added fabric. Today I started to disassemble
> them so I can repaint the Hubs and add Grease cups for that antique look. I
> will have to paint the spokes and rim some kind of chrome looking paint
> probably or maybe some contrasting color. Not sure what colors I will paint
> my new ship but at this point I like Black and light blue, but that is a
> ways off at this point. Also am considering if I could use my original 4.5"
> brake drums with a Band instead of the internal shoes. Wish my Son Chris
> were not deployed overseas with the Navy as he is an excellent Bike
> Mechanic and I would have him re-lace and true so I wouldn't have to do it
> again.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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| Subject: | Idea for Aho's new paint scheme |
| From: | Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey Craig,
Have you ever considered a black fuse and yellow wings!
LOOKS SHARP!!
Douwe
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| From: | Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Ken, I only get my Piet digest once a day so didn't see your post until today!
Too bad, would have loved to have helped
D
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| Subject: | Re: Spoked Wheels |
| From: | "CraigAho" <Soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
I went out in the garage and took a couple of photos, the wood disc is 5/16" thick
and one inside edge is beveled to lay flat and over the welds. Also the disc
lays inside the spoke heads. Worked great on my original wheels which I am
dismantling with some struggle since the nipples have been on tight for at least
19yrs. soaking them with penetrating fluid.
Craig
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| From: | Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Idea for Aho's new paint scheme |
That does sound good as well=2C My NX40772 was Black and Cream so kind of c
lose. It will be a while before I get to that point but in painting wheels
and fittings etc. I would like to have an idea so I can paint them accordin
gly. So far if I stick with painting them black I am pretty neutral. So man
y of the builders have done such nice work it really inspires one. Craig
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme
> From: douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net
> Date: Thu=2C 11 Apr 2013 09:00:46 -0600
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
I have black fuse & yellow wings.....oh yeah, just a GN-1.....sorry
I like it!
On Apr 11, 2013 10:05 AM, "Douwe Blumberg"
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
Dick
My Dad broke his hip Friday and I have been busy with the surgery and
hospital. I wish I could be there. Tell Skip, PF and the guys hello for me.
Barry Davis
NX973BP
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick N
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 7:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SNF
Hey ya'all
Hi from SNF, hope you can make it down here, weather is beautiful. We are
building a Pietenpol fuselage and wing ribs in the wood shop this year it is
going really good. So far Skip Gadd, Ben Chevranet and I are working every
day. John Hoffman and his wife stopped by today, I will be looking for
Perry Rhodes we all hope more of you can make it down here.
Later
Dick N.
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| From: | Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Idea for Aho's new paint scheme |
Marcus=2C I'd love to see your GN-1 can it can I find it on forum or web? C
raig
Date: Thu=2C 11 Apr 2013 10:44:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme
From: marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com
I have black fuse & yellow wings.....oh yeah=2C just a GN-1.....sorry
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | a front seat baggage idea |
Years back I asked a local upholstery shop to make up a front seat baggage
sack for
me out of kind of a soft black canvas type cloth. I made up a few posterbo
ard templates
for the bottom =BD barrel shape and two half-moon shapes and the shop sewed
me up a
handy, light-weight sack at a very reasonable cost.
I purchased a black snap kit from the upholstery shop and screwed the male
parts of the
snaps into the perimeter of the front cockpit (flight deck for the politica
lly sensitive) wood
and longerons and then installed the female snaps on the bag itself.
My front stick is removable so that comes out and the bag provides a very g
enerous amount
of space for baggage. Combine that with a (same upholstery shop) cockpit c
over that snaps
over the whole mess and you've got some serious space for your things. Ad
d in the entire
center section (in my case) that is available for baggage and you can have
a change of undies
for every day of the week for Brodhead and Oshkosh without hitting the laun
dry mat.
Mike C.
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Perimeter snaps screwed into upper left longeron.
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Cockpit covers in place. Rich Corinthian cheap cloth-backed vinyl with hem
s sew around edges by upholstery shop
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| Subject: | More Spoked Wheel Information |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
A while back there was some discussion about different wheel configurations and
their associated weight. Craig's thread on Spoked Wheels reminded me that I
never did weight mine, and I was curious to know how they compared. I was considering
using Robert Baslee's 18" wheels, but I have heard rumors that they may
be hard to get, so I chose to take a route that several others have and start
with Ken Perkins' hubs and sent them off to Buchanan's. Just for comparison,
Baslee's web site claims that his wheels with tires weight 18 pounds.
Without going through all of the details, I'll just summarize by listing the components...
Hubs - Ken Perkins
Rims - Sun WM2 (21 x 1.85)
Spokes - Buchanan's 8ga stainless
Nipples - Buchanan's 8ga stainless
Tyre - Avon Speedmaster MkII (21 x 3.00)
Tube - J&P Cycles (21 x 3.00)
Bottom Line... without brake disc or spacer... 17 pounds on the nose.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: More Spoked Wheel Information |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Just for the data point, I'll post the weight of mine (as a new one is on the way
right now) in a couple days.
Mine are 21x2.15 40 spoke, one disc front harley wheels (post 2000 I think...).
They're available all day long, hubs, spokes, rim, tire and tube on ebay for
about $150 ea. The one I just ordered was $120 shipped. I think they're stock
items and guys upgrade to more spokes a lot.
Many think the 4 1/2 hub may not be strong enough, but it sure seems to be. Well
suited for disc brakes, look nice, certainly worth considering.
Pretty sure Dick N has the same wheels on his Rotec powered Piet, which is a higher
powered and heavier plane yet.
Pretty sure they're a lot heavier than 17lbs though...
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| Subject: | Re: More Spoked Wheel Information |
| From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
My Harley Sportsters are 25 lbs, including tires and brake drum.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 11, 2013, at 11:43 AM, "K5YAC" wrote:
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> A while back there was some discussion about different wheel configurations and
their associated weight. Craig's thread on Spoked Wheels reminded me that
I never did weight mine, and I was curious to know how they compared. I was considering
using Robert Baslee's 18" wheels, but I have heard rumors that they
may be hard to get, so I chose to take a route that several others have and start
with Ken Perkins' hubs and sent them off to Buchanan's. Just for comparison,
Baslee's web site claims that his wheels with tires weight 18 pounds.
>
> Without going through all of the details, I'll just summarize by listing the
components...
>
> Hubs - Ken Perkins
> Rims - Sun WM2 (21 x 1.85)
> Spokes - Buchanan's 8ga stainless
> Nipples - Buchanan's 8ga stainless
> Tyre - Avon Speedmaster MkII (21 x 3.00)
> Tube - J&P Cycles (21 x 3.00)
>
> Bottom Line... without brake disc or spacer... 17 pounds on the nose.
>
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> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tires |
Nice looking setup you have there Mark C. !
Those aluminum rims can really save some weight. Very nice. I like the look
of the Avon Speedmaster tires
too (I copied Frank Pavliga and his Dad on that one years back because I liked
the way they looked on Sky Gypsy)
though they are prone to sidewall cracking after about 3-4 years.
I like the look too Mark of your taller wire wheels. Mine are 19" and I like
the looks of the 20 and 21" ones a little better.
Mike C.
And don't give Curt Merdan any trouble on your next Southwest flight or THIS
could happen to YOU! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiI_4xvfHpM
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| Subject: | Re: More Spoked Wheel Information |
| From: | "CraigAho" <Soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
I came accross my original invoice from Buchanans and I had purchased 9 ga. plain
carbon spokes for my homemade hubs which were based on info provided by BPA
back in the early 90's, I think Howard Henderson design. I have never weighed
mine so before I dismantle both my wheels I will check the weight. I dismantled
one wheel and broke one spoke at the threads so I will either just replace
the spokes I need or maybe reorder new SS ones.
Craig
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Spoked Wheels |
Craig,
Thanks for all the info and your extra work to answer my questions. I am saving
this and will be doing basically the same thing.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 11, 2013, at 8:19 AM, "CraigAho" wrote:
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> I went out in the garage and took a couple of photos, the wood disc is 5/16"
thick and one inside edge is beveled to lay flat and over the welds. Also the
disc lays inside the spoke heads. Worked great on my original wheels which I am
dismantling with some struggle since the nipples have been on tight for at least
19yrs. soaking them with penetrating fluid.
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> Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tires |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I have to admit that I like these for a variety of reasons...
Of course I've looked closely at your airplane, and Jack's, and Larry Williams',
and Gary's, and FBG, and, well, you know... the same approach we have all taken.
I really like the overall stance of FBG, but I also like the wide look of the straight
axle gear. Honestly, the one that I liked the most when I first got to
see these beauties in person was Don Emch's... he offered to let me sit in it
my first year at Brodhead... no way... I wasn't going to be the guy who put
his foot through the floor. Now that I know a little more about how they are
built, I feel kind of dumb for not trying it on for size.
After hanging around The Markler for a while I really started to like the old-timey
look of his all black wheels, so I stole it! Noooo no... I didn't steal
it in the Markle sense of the word, I just thought of how I might have a similar
appearance without being a full on Markler. Anyhow, I like the black rims
and silver/gray spokes... I'm certain mine aren't the first like this, but it
is what I settled on.
Compromises... there are so many really cool ways to do things on this fabulous
airplane that I guess we just have to choose what we consider to be the best,
or whatever strikes our fancy at the time and go with it.
I remember back when I first started building I was convinced that I would not
use spokes and I had my heart set on some sort of solid wheel mini-tundras like
Roger White had. I still like that option, but the spoked wheels just look
right to me at the time.
I guess that is part of what makes this project an adventure.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Really Douwe? [Shocked]
Getting the season started off on the right foot I see. LOL!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| From: | Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tires |
Mark do you have a photo of your wheels painted that way=2C I would enjoy s
eeing how they look. As I disassemble my old wheels I try to imagine how I
will paint them. If I had lots of money I would have bright shinny brass pl
ated spokes with black rims but I am on a very limited buget so paint is my
option. Craig
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tires
> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
> Date: Thu=2C 11 Apr 2013 13:34:19 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> I have to admit that I like these for a variety of reasons...
>
> Of course I've looked closely at your airplane=2C and Jack's=2C and Larry
Williams'=2C and Gary's=2C and FBG=2C and=2C well=2C you know... the same
approach we have all taken.
>
> I really like the overall stance of FBG=2C but I also like the wide look
of the straight axle gear. Honestly=2C the one that I liked the most when
I first got to see these beauties in person was Don Emch's... he offered to
let me sit in it my first year at Brodhead... no way... I wasn't going to
be the guy who put his foot through the floor. Now that I know a little mo
re about how they are built=2C I feel kind of dumb for not trying it on for
size.
>
> After hanging around The Markler for a while I really started to like the
old-timey look of his all black wheels=2C so I stole it! Noooo no... I di
dn't steal it in the Markle sense of the word=2C I just thought of how I mi
ght have a similar appearance without being a full on Markler. Anyhow=2C I
like the black rims and silver/gray spokes... I'm certain mine aren't the
first like this=2C but it is what I settled on.
>
> Compromises... there are so many really cool ways to do things on this fa
bulous airplane that I guess we just have to choose what we consider to be
the best=2C or whatever strikes our fancy at the time and go with it.
>
> I remember back when I first started building I was convinced that I woul
d not use spokes and I had my heart set on some sort of solid wheel mini-tu
ndras like Roger White had. I still like that option=2C but the spoked whe
els just look right to me at the time.
>
> I guess that is part of what makes this project an adventure.
>
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> Mark Chouinard
> Wings=2C Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Lan
ding Gear
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| From: | Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: More Spoked Wheel Information |
Wow was checking Buchanans web site and the costs of spokes has gone up alm
ost double what I originally paid. The weight of my wheel with out tire and
tube is 8.5 lbs. Craig
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information
> From: Soar561(at)hotmail.com
> Date: Thu=2C 11 Apr 2013 12:33:18 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> I came accross my original invoice from Buchanans and I had purchased 9 g
a. plain carbon spokes for my homemade hubs which were based on info provid
ed by BPA back in the early 90's=2C I think Howard Henderson design. I have
never weighed mine so before I dismantle both my wheels I will check the w
eight. I dismantled one wheel and broke one spoke at the threads so I will
either just replace the spokes I need or maybe reorder new SS ones.
>
> Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Agree!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 11, 2013 10:02 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Idea for Aho's new paint scheme
nk.net>
Hey Craig,
Have you ever considered a black fuse and yellow wings!
LOOKS SHARP!!
Douwe
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| From: | "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com> |
| Subject: | Covering question |
I need to cut the slit for the trim tab rod and wondering if the fabric wil
l be stable enough as is. I've done the first shrink and added the pre-shru
nk patch under the top fabric. I used the clear 3m cement. I need to fashio
n some sort of an exit cover for the top. Should I put another patch on the
top and or the exit cover before cutting the slit?
Thanks!
Jack
DQoNCg0KU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IGlQYWQNCkphY2sgVGV4dG9y
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| Subject: | Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
I will ask him .... sounds like a funny story in there somewhere.
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: Covering question |
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack T. Textor
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 5:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering question
I need to cut the slit for the trim tab rod and wondering if the fabric will
be stable enough as is. I've done the first shrink and added the pre-shrunk
patch under the top fabric. I used the clear 3m cement. I need to fashion
some sort of an exit cover for the top. Should I put another patch on the
top and or the exit cover before cutting the slit?
Thanks!
Jack
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol storage bag |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Ya know,
We should get the craziest one we can and give it away as door prize at Brodhead.
Winner HAS to use it...
As it turns out, Robin has two... one about like Curt's (polka dot wise...) the
other is A LOT deeper. Would work really well in a cockpit without a pax to
just keep things organized and from migrating around.
Clever.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol storage bag |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Curt that is awesome! I think you should paint the airplane to match the bag!
I might have to look into that deeper bag. I like that crazy bag idea at Brodhead!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Covering question |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Greg, did not see your response...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Apr 11, 2013, at 7:01 PM, "G Hansen" <ghans@cable-lynx.net> wrote:
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> -----Original Message----- From: Jack T. Textor
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 5:00 PM
> To: Pietenpol List
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering question
>
> I need to cut the slit for the trim tab rod and wondering if the fabric will
be stable enough as is. I've done the first shrink and added the pre-shrunk patch
under the top fabric. I used the clear 3m cement. I need to fashion some sort
of an exit cover for the top. Should I put another patch on the top and or
the exit cover before cutting the slit?
> Thanks!
> Jack
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| Subject: | Re: Covering question |
| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Jack, as I saw in my covered parts, once you shrink the cloth it stay as is, it
do not move a mm, you can put reinforced patchs beore or after, it is the same.
If you see in my blogg, I had to remove a horne, I cut the cloth and do not move
nothing, it stood very firmely.
It was my experience, you decide.
regards
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Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: Covering question |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Thanks Mario!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Apr 11, 2013, at 8:07 PM, "giacummo" wrote:
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> Jack, as I saw in my covered parts, once you shrink the cloth it stay as is,
it do not move a mm, you can put reinforced patchs beore or after, it is the same.
> If you see in my blogg, I had to remove a horne, I cut the cloth and do not move
nothing, it stood very firmely.
> It was my experience, you decide.
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> regards
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> Mario Giacummo
> Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
> Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| From: | "Brett Phillips" <bphillip(at)SHENTEL.NET> |
| Subject: | welding.so easy a 12 year old could do it |
Paul:
That's a great photo! It's great to see kids learning "adult" skills. I
was about that age when my dad started me out on Oxy-Acetylene. Today I'm
still not the greatest welder around, but I do hold an AWS Certified Welding
Inspector ticket.
Keep up the good work!
Brett Phillips
NX311GP
Strasburg, VA
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| Subject: | Re: Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tires |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Sorry for the slow reply... had some chores to do this evening.
You can see a few pics of my wheels at these links.
Bare metal... 4130 hubs and aluminum rims.
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=k5yac&project=687&category=6286&log=148384&row=28
After powder coating. Craig, you might consider powder coating instead of paint
as it is way more durable and not very expensive. I paid $25 to a local outfit
and they did all the prep and finishing work. It helped that I just asked
for the standard matte black, which they run all the time, so the price was right
and turnaround was quick! A color would have been only slightly more in cost
and time.
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=k5yac&project=687&category=6286&log=148389&row=24
All laced up. A friend of mine (and bicycle builder) laced and trued these for
free. Ha! One person's pain is another's pleasure... or something like that.
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=k5yac&project=687&category=6286&log=158048&row=18
Hope that is what you were looking for.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: 2013 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Earl... that fire pic is hilarious. I've got to say, it was neat to look at, but
you are right... not the desired effect.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| From: | Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tires |
Very Nice Mark=2C Thank you for sharing. I managed to get mine disassembled
today and and will clean and inspect the spokes and nipples. So far I have
one broken spoke to replace. I originally laced and trued them myself and
will do so again as my son who is a bike mechanic is deployed overseas on t
he USS Kearsage. I can see my wheels painted similar to yours. Thanks again
Craig
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun rims and Avon Speedmaster tires
> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
> Date: Thu=2C 11 Apr 2013 19:39:28 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Sorry for the slow reply... had some chores to do this evening.
>
> You can see a few pics of my wheels at these links.
>
> Bare metal... 4130 hubs and aluminum rims.
> http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=k5yac&project=687&
category=6286&log=148384&row=28
>
> After powder coating. Craig=2C you might consider powder coating instead
of paint as it is way more durable and not very expensive. I paid $25 to
a local outfit and they did all the prep and finishing work. It helped tha
t I just asked for the standard matte black=2C which they run all the time
=2C so the price was right and turnaround was quick! A color would have bee
n only slightly more in cost and time.
> http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=k5yac&project=687&
category=6286&log=148389&row=24
>
> All laced up. A friend of mine (and bicycle builder) laced and trued the
se for free. Ha! One person's pain is another's pleasure... or something
like that.
> http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=k5yac&project=687&
category=6286&log=158048&row=18
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>
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> Mark Chouinard
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: More Spoked Wheel Information |
My 20" wheel, tire and tube weigh 19 pounds each. I thought that was heavy, but
found it is what most of them weigh.
Ray Krause
SkyScout
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 11, 2013, at 11:58 AM, "tools" wrote:
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> Just for the data point, I'll post the weight of mine (as a new one is on the
way right now) in a couple days.
>
> Mine are 21x2.15 40 spoke, one disc front harley wheels (post 2000 I think...).
They're available all day long, hubs, spokes, rim, tire and tube on ebay for
about $150 ea. The one I just ordered was $120 shipped. I think they're stock
items and guys upgrade to more spokes a lot.
>
> Many think the 4 1/2 hub may not be strong enough, but it sure seems to be.
Well suited for disc brakes, look nice, certainly worth considering.
>
> Pretty sure Dick N has the same wheels on his Rotec powered Piet, which is a
higher powered and heavier plane yet.
>
> Pretty sure they're a lot heavier than 17lbs though...
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| Subject: | Re: rudder bar stops |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Mikee-
You are my new hero! I'm going the wooden block route... it's just too simple
and clean. Right now I have stops mounted to the floor and one of them needs
to be replaced.
Now for the stern correction. Come to the front of the class, take the chalk in
your hand and write on the blackboard 100 times, "Uncle Tony says we must have
between one and three threads showing past the nut." In your picture, take
a look at the nut on one of the bolts that you use to adjust the aileron throw
of your stick. Now get busy writing, and you can't sit back down till you're
done.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: rudder bar stops |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Wood blocks seems about right... got piles of those laying around.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: More Spoked Wheel Information |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
I have the exact same Perkins and Sun rim setup. With the Perkin hubs, do the two
welded flanges with the spoke holes run true when spun? My wheels run true
but the flanges were not welded straight and wobble when spun. I bought Kens spacers
and brake discs too so the discs wobble as well. Do yours do this?
Scotty
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at
Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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| Subject: | Re: More Spoked Wheel Information |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Thanks Curt...I will do that.
Scotty
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at
Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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| From: | Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Covering question |
Jack,=0A-=0AI have only experience with the Polyfiber process, where you
shrink every thing first, max allowable heat.-=0AThen use Polybrush (not
glue) to add another patch on top.=0AAfter all layers of Polybrush you cut
the slit.=0A-=0APolybrush is the coat that fills the weave.=0A-=0AIf yo
u want a better more stable slit, make a thin aluminum pre-slotted sheet pa
tch-and use that between fabric and fabric patch.=0A-=0AHans=0A-=0ANX
15KV=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Jack T. Textor <jte
xtor(at)thepalmergroup.com>=0ATo: Pietenpol List =0ASent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 6:00 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Cove
ring question=0A =0A=0AI need to cut the slit for the trim tab rod and won
dering if the fabric will be stable enough as is. I've done the first shrin
k and added the pre-shrunk patch under the top fabric. I used the clear 3m
cement. I need to fashion some sort of an exit cover for the top. Should I
put another patch on the top and or the exit cover before cutting the slit?
=0AThanks!=0AJack
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| From: | Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
WHAT!!!!!
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Covering question |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Great idea Hans thanks
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Apr 12, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Hans van der Voort wrote:
> Jack,
>
> I have only experience with the Polyfiber process, where you shrink every t
hing first, max allowable heat.
> Then use Polybrush (not glue) to add another patch on top.
> After all layers of Polybrush you cut the slit.
>
> Polybrush is the coat that fills the weave.
>
> If you want a better more stable slit, make a thin aluminum pre-slotted sh
eet patch and use that between fabric and fabric patch.
>
> Hans
>
> NX15KV
>
> From: Jack T. Textor <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
> To: Pietenpol List
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 6:00 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering question
>
> I need to cut the slit for the trim tab rod and wondering if the fabric wi
ll be stable enough as is. I've done the first shrink and added the pre-shru
nk patch under the top fabric. I used the clear 3m cement. I need to fashion
some sort of an exit cover for the top. Should I put another patch on the t
op and or the exit cover before cutting the slit?
> Thanks!
> Jack
>
>
>
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| From: | Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
I've weighed a few sets of wire wheels ready to install and depending g on brakes,
they ranged from 18 to 23 ish lbs. mine are around 20 because drum brake,
22inch and steel rim
Douwe
Sent from my iPhone
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| From: | Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: "Re-PIET" tire change |
Douwe, how did you do the muffler/silencer?.. the lenght of the exaust tube
plus the silencer what is it?. and what engine you have? the lenght and
diameter is in relation with the displacement of the engine, isn't it?..
Regards
Mario Giacummo
. -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- /
...- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - .
2013/4/9 Douwe Blumberg
>
> Well, my supercool (to my eye anyway) gray tires started cracking too much
> for comfort. Gray rubber is old fashioned natural rubber and being
> non-vulcanized, cracks like old fashioned tires did. These kept cracking
> along the seam though, so the tire company very kindly exchanged them for a
> black set, which won't have any of those problems.
>
> Just put them on, and it's she kinda looks different.
>
> Supposed I'll get used to it!
>
> Douwe
>
>
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| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
Everything is going back together nicely..... It's really exciting now
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NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Final assembly! |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Wow Chris, awesome! Very exciting!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Rusch <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:17 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Final assembly!
>
Everything is going back together nicely..... It's really exciting now
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NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Chris Rusch final assembly |
Chris---what a gorgeous looking airplane you have there! You're the first one
with the olive drab US Army Air Corps
paint scheme that I've seen and it looks great. Your workmanship looks to be
first class. Thank you for sharing some photos.
Will your radiator for your Mitsubishi engine be in the traditional Ford A location?
Looks like you've adopted or fabricated a gear reduction drive up front. Are
they using these engine in other homebuilts that
you know of?
Great to see your progress!
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Final assembly! |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Wow holy cow Chris looks great!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:16 AM, "Chris Rusch" wrote:
>
> Everything is going back together nicely..... It's really exciting now
>
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> NX321LR
> Fully Assembled
> Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
> Wings covered and primed, one painted
> Mitsubishi Powered
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398506#398506
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chris Rusch final assembly |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
Thanks! I have to say this site has been a huge inspiration to keep pushing forward,
i look forward to seeing what everybody is up to and how everyone else solves
the issues that come up.
Nobody has used this engine to my knowledge, it my modern version of a model "A"......well
see, remember its "Experimental Aviation"
The unit up front is a external bearing hub with isolator bushings between the
crank and prop, hopefully removing all of the torsional vibration as well as thrust
loads. This unit also houses the starter ring..Im using a harley davidson
starter and ring gear, spinns it over like butter.
I know Jack is painting his a similar green, so i cant wait to see them both together.
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NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
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| From: | Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
Wow this is awesome=2C man look at the creativity involved=2C the clever an
ti torque setup and the nice wheels=2C very interesting engine setup=2C the
color you chose=2C wow. Ok I need to calm down a bit I'm not the young any
more. Man I have got to get over to Broadhead only I worry the excitment mi
ght kill me.:) Craig
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Final assembly!
> From: rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com
> Date: Fri=2C 12 Apr 2013 06:16:20 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
om>
>
> Everything is going back together nicely..... It's really exciting now
>
> --------
> NX321LR
> Fully Assembled
> Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
> Wings covered and primed=2C one painted
> Mitsubishi Powered
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398506#398506
>
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| Subject: | Re: satellite tracking devices |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
I have played with the Spot Connect and the bottom line is I really like it, I
have road tested and tracking seems to be spot on.
If you would like to see how it tracks, click on this link
http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0K6TAxD2OiYyXcq0LJiRi2yTofX5bgeVj
This is the same link you can come back to and follow Mr Sam from Sarasota to Culpeper
this weekend.
Cheers
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
Well the adventure has begun. Sitting in the B Concourse at IAD waiting for my
flight to SRQ. Chuck Tippet is already down there and we will look at the airplane
tomorrow morning. Andrew King called Chuck and told him all about Mr.
Sam. Andrew has over 80 hours in this Piet. He flew it when it had the Ford
engine and after the conversion to a Cont O-200. He has high praise for the airplane.
Makes feel so much better about the buy.
If you would like to follow the adventure as it unfolds this weekend, Click on
this link, scroll down to Florida and you see the pin drops. I will turn on the
Spot Connect as soon as I land tonight in SRQ.
http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0K6TAxD2OiYyXcq0LJiRi2yTofX5bgeVj
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Final assembly! |
I love the color and the paint scheme! You'll give all those black and yellow "German"
planes a good run for their money.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
Awesome! Super fun people involved. In DTW at moment, on way to IAD.. Need
to see Chuck....may fly Piet to CJR soon!
On Apr 12, 2013 12:24 PM, "Fun2av8" wrote:
>
> Well the adventure has begun. Sitting in the B Concourse at IAD waiting
> for my flight to SRQ. Chuck Tippet is already down there and we will look
> at the airplane tomorrow morning. Andrew King called Chuck and told him
> all about Mr. Sam. Andrew has over 80 hours in this Piet. He flew it when
> it had the Ford engine and after the conversion to a Cont O-200. He has
> high praise for the airplane. Makes feel so much better about the buy.
>
> If you would like to follow the adventure as it unfolds this weekend,
> Click on this link, scroll down to Florida and you see the pin drops. I
> will turn on the Spot Connect as soon as I land tonight in SRQ.
>
>
> http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0K6TAxD2OiYyXcq0LJiRi2yTofX5bgeVj
>
> --------
> Jim McWhorter
> N687MB (New Owner)
> Culpeper, VA KCJR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398516#398516
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: More Spoked Wheel Information |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Honestly, I have not had a chance to spin mine at all. My friend trued them on
his truing rig and made no mention of any wobble. I guess I'll see in the coming
weeks.
Hope he will fix you up!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Hi Barry
Sorry to hear about your Dad, I will send everyone Hello from you.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Davis
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:18 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: SNF
Dick
My Dad broke his hip Friday and I have been busy with the surgery and
hospital. I wish I could be there. Tell Skip, PF and the guys hello for
me.
Barry Davis
NX973BP
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick N
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 7:15 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SNF
Hey ya'all
Hi from SNF, hope you can make it down here, weather is beautiful. We
are building a Pietenpol fuselage and wing ribs in the wood shop this
year it is going really good. So far Skip Gadd, Ben Chevranet and I are
working every day. John Hoffman and his wife stopped by today, I will
be looking for Perry Rhodes we all hope more of you can make it down
here.
Later
Dick N.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Final assembly! |
| From: | "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com> |
Man that is lookin good. What engine is that? I was wondering if it is a Honda?
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Building steel fuselage aircamper.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Chris's final assembly |
That is going to be one AWESOME Piet Chris!!
Love the pics.
Douwe
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Hi Mario!
The engine is a C-90. Each bank of cylinders exhausts down into the
cigar-shaped thing. The cigar-shaped thing is a combination muffler and
heat muff. The front half is a heat muff for carb heat on one side and
cabin heat on the other, and the back half is just a small muffler. They
are wrapped in exhaust wrap to help keep the inside temps up since they are
directly behind the prop blast. The long exhaust pipes are simply exhaust
pipes. There was no scientific calculation for either the length or the
diameter, just tried to keep the opening the same as what was on the engine
originally.
Douwe
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Hello all,
Well, of course what follows is all hypothetical.
IF the man who was my surrogate dad and mentor; the man who taught me art
and helped me fall in love with model airplanes and antique airplanes died.
And IF we had agreed that I'd scatter his ashes from the Pietenpol, and IF I
had kept his ashes for three years while I finished the plane, and and IF
the Pietenpol was finally flying.
Any ideas as to how one would scatter ashes from an open cockpit plane
without getting them in your face or all over the airplane?
Of course, because of numerous legal and environmental issues I would never
actually do this,, but IF I hypothetically wanted to.
How would I do it?
Open to ideas.
Douwe
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
I know you just can't throw them out the door of a 172...... , the ashes all
end up back in the cabin! Then what? You have a permanent passenger. It d
oes work to place the ashes in a long tube of fabric, let it flop outside th
e door about 6 feet, then pull the rip cord to untie the far end.
It also works to place the ashes in the hopper of a crop duster!
We have the Sutter Buttes just 5 miles from the airport and receive lots of r
equests. I think the ashes should always be released in an highly fragile co
ntainer, heavy enough to drop and miss the tail! Would hate to loose my tai
l in the process!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 13, 2013, at 1:43 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" w
rote:
> Hello all,
>
> Well, of course what follows is all hypothetical
>
> IF the man who was my surrogate dad and mentor; the man who taught me art a
nd helped me fall in love with model airplanes and antique airplanes died. A
nd IF we had agreed that I=99d scatter his ashes from the Pietenpol, a
nd IF I had kept his ashes for three years while I finished the plane, and a
nd IF the Pietenpol was finally flying
>
> Any ideas as to how one would scatter ashes from an open cockpit plane wit
hout getting them in your face or all over the airplane?
>
> Of course, because of numerous legal and environmental issues I would neve
r actually do this,, but IF I hypothetically wanted to
>
> How would I do it?
>
> Open to ideas.
>
> Douwe
>
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| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Douwe, there's a guy operating out of the Longmont airport that offers this s
ervice in Colorado. Google Mark Arnold with some appropriate key words. You'
ll find a description of his techniques and preferred weather conditions. It
is more involved than I would have guessed. My best, Ken
On Apr 13, 2013, at 3:43 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" w
rote:
> Hello all,
>
> Well, of course what follows is all hypothetical
>
> IF the man who was my surrogate dad and mentor; the man who taught me art a
nd helped me fall in love with model airplanes and antique airplanes died. A
nd IF we had agreed that I=99d scatter his ashes from the Pietenpol, a
nd IF I had kept his ashes for three years while I finished the plane, and a
nd IF the Pietenpol was finally flying
>
> Any ideas as to how one would scatter ashes from an open cockpit plane wit
hout getting them in your face or all over the airplane?
>
> Of course, because of numerous legal and environmental issues I would neve
r actually do this,, but IF I hypothetically wanted to
>
> How would I do it?
>
> Open to ideas.
>
> Douwe
>
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| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
Do you have controls in front and capable check pilot?
On Apr 13, 2013 4:45 PM, "Douwe Blumberg"
wrote:
> Hello all,****
>
> ** **
>
> Well, of course what follows is all hypothetical=85****
>
> ** **
>
> IF the man who was my surrogate dad and mentor; the man who taught me art
> and helped me fall in love with model airplanes and antique airplanes
> died. And IF we had agreed that I=92d scatter his ashes from the Pietenp
ol,
> and IF I had kept his ashes for three years while I finished the plane, a
nd
> and IF the Pietenpol was finally flying=85****
>
> ** **
>
> Any ideas as to how one would scatter ashes from an open cockpit plane
> without getting them in your face or all over the airplane?****
>
> ** **
>
> Of course, because of numerous legal and environmental issues I would
> never actually do this,, but IF I hypothetically wanted to=85 ****
>
> ** **
>
> How would I do it?****
>
> ** **
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> Open to ideas.****
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> Douwe****
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| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Douwe hypothetically I'm sorry for your loss, truly...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Apr 13, 2013, at 3:43 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" w
rote:
> Hello all,
>
> Well, of course what follows is all hypothetical
>
> IF the man who was my surrogate dad and mentor; the man who taught me art a
nd helped me fall in love with model airplanes and antique airplanes died. A
nd IF we had agreed that I=99d scatter his ashes from the Pietenpol, a
nd IF I had kept his ashes for three years while I finished the plane, and a
nd IF the Pietenpol was finally flying
>
> Any ideas as to how one would scatter ashes from an open cockpit plane wit
hout getting them in your face or all over the airplane?
>
> Of course, because of numerous legal and environmental issues I would neve
r actually do this,, but IF I hypothetically wanted to
>
> How would I do it?
>
> Open to ideas.
>
> Douwe
>
>
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: More Spoked Wheel Information |
Hi Mike
You are right about my wheels on the new Piet, I belive I weighed them at 27
lbs ea side, thats wheel tire tube, and brake rotor and caliper. My new Piet
is 810 lbs. and they are just fine.
Later
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Spoked Wheel Information
>
> Just for the data point, I'll post the weight of mine (as a new one is on
> the way right now) in a couple days.
>
> Mine are 21x2.15 40 spoke, one disc front harley wheels (post 2000 I
> think...). They're available all day long, hubs, spokes, rim, tire and
> tube on ebay for about $150 ea. The one I just ordered was $120 shipped.
> I think they're stock items and guys upgrade to more spokes a lot.
>
> Many think the 4 1/2 hub may not be strong enough, but it sure seems to
> be. Well suited for disc brakes, look nice, certainly worth considering.
>
> Pretty sure Dick N has the same wheels on his Rotec powered Piet, which is
> a higher powered and heavier plane yet.
>
> Pretty sure they're a lot heavier than 17lbs though...
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398454#398454
>
>
>
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| From: | Steve Emo <steve.emo58(at)gmail.com> |
There is a rig here the guys use. It is a plastic tube with a release door.
They tie/strap the tube to the struts then activate the release door from t
he cockpit with a pull wire.
Works good.
Steve
On Apr 13, 2013, at 4:43 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" w
rote:
> Hello all,
>
> Well, of course what follows is all hypothetical
>
> IF the man who was my surrogate dad and mentor; the man who taught me art a
nd helped me fall in love with model airplanes and antique airplanes died. A
nd IF we had agreed that I=99d scatter his ashes from the Pietenpol, a
nd IF I had kept his ashes for three years while I finished the plane, and a
nd IF the Pietenpol was finally flying
>
> Any ideas as to how one would scatter ashes from an open cockpit plane wit
hout getting them in your face or all over the airplane?
>
> Of course, because of numerous legal and environmental issues I would neve
r actually do this,, but IF I hypothetically wanted to
>
> How would I do it?
>
> Open to ideas.
>
> Douwe
>
>
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
Douwe,
There are some good ideas here:
http://www.backcountrypilot.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7642
Greg Cardinal
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From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 3:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ashes...
Hello all,
Well, of course what follows is all hypothetical.
IF the man who was my surrogate dad and mentor; the man who taught me
art and helped me fall in love with model airplanes and antique
airplanes died. And IF we had agreed that I'd scatter his ashes from
the Pietenpol, and IF I had kept his ashes for three years while I
finished the plane, and and IF the Pietenpol was finally flying.
Any ideas as to how one would scatter ashes from an open cockpit plane
without getting them in your face or all over the airplane?
Of course, because of numerous legal and environmental issues I would
never actually do this,, but IF I hypothetically wanted to.
How would I do it?
Open to ideas.
Douwe
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Douwe,
Looks like you have some good recommendations. I have a similar
hypothetical commitment concerning my father, and would be interested in
hearing what you would do, hypothetically, of course. I had envisioned
just reaching as far over the side as possible, allowing the urn to open
and the ashes to stream behindmaybe loosely tie the lid to the
base so that it did not fall indiscriminately on the head of some poor
chipmunk sitting comfortably in a pine tree in western Montana.
You may have already received better ideas than I did from my airport
=9Cbuddies=9D, some 40+ years ago, concerning my
friend=99s grandmother. =98They=99 said that the deed
is legal if one is beyond 5 miles from the coastline, and also suggested
slowing to near stall speed.
I did not like flying over the Pacific ocean in my T-craft, so may have
cut that 5 miles in halfor less
I did not like slowing to near stall speed out over the water
I did not like that my passenger fumbled the shoe box, trying to work it
out of the small sliding windows, allowing the lid to come off
prematurely, upon which a large part of grandma ended up in the
cabin
I especially did not like that I inhaled enough of grandma to make me
gag and cough
Overall, it was an unpleasant experience, speaking for myself, but I
don=99t think my passenger/friend enjoyed it either, as he
immediately got sick. Fortunately, I carried an empty milk carton in the
baggage compartment, for just such an occasion, and he promptly emptied
from his stomach what was left of breakfastmostly eggs and
bacon, as I recall. That was followed by a lively discussion about what
to do with the partially filled container, and its putrid contents. I
was loath to try the window idea again, and he was too afraid to even
try to open the door. First =93 Slow to near stall speed.
Most importantly, you have my most sincere sympathies, as I am sure you
think of your mentor often.
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Krause
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ashes...
I know you just can't throw them out the door of a 172...... , the ashes
all end up back in the cabin! Then what? You have a permanent
passenger. It does work to place the ashes in a long tube of fabric,
let it flop outside the door about 6 feet, then pull the rip cord to
untie the far end.
It also works to place the ashes in the hopper of a crop duster!
We have the Sutter Buttes just 5 miles from the airport and receive lots
of requests. I think the ashes should always be released in an highly
fragile container, heavy enough to drop and miss the tail! Would hate
to loose my tail in the process!
Ray Krause
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On Apr 13, 2013, at 1:43 PM, "Douwe Blumberg"
wrote:
Hello all,
Well, of course what follows is all hypothetical
IF the man who was my surrogate dad and mentor; the man who taught me
art and helped me fall in love with model airplanes and antique
airplanes died. And IF we had agreed that I=99d scatter his ashes
from the Pietenpol, and IF I had kept his ashes for three years while I
finished the plane, and and IF the Pietenpol was finally flying
Any ideas as to how one would scatter ashes from an open cockpit plane
without getting them in your face or all over the airplane?
Of course, because of numerous legal and environmental issues I would
never actually do this,, but IF I hypothetically wanted to
How would I do it?
Open to ideas.
Douwe
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| From: | Ryan M <Aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> |
What an honor, spread me over a grass runway when it's my time.
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On Apr 13, 2013, at 4:43 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" w
rote:
> Hello all,
>
> Well, of course what follows is all hypothetical
>
> IF the man who was my surrogate dad and mentor; the man who taught me art a
nd helped me fall in love with model airplanes and antique airplanes died. A
nd IF we had agreed that I=99d scatter his ashes from the Pietenpol, a
nd IF I had kept his ashes for three years while I finished the plane, and a
nd IF the Pietenpol was finally flying
>
> Any ideas as to how one would scatter ashes from an open cockpit plane wit
hout getting them in your face or all over the airplane?
>
> Of course, because of numerous legal and environmental issues I would neve
r actually do this,, but IF I hypothetically wanted to
>
> How would I do it?
>
> Open to ideas.
>
> Douwe
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
That would work. I will build one as Ono as the next request come in.
Thanks,
Ray Krause
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On Apr 13, 2013, at 4:22 PM, Steve Emo wrote:
> There is a rig here the guys use. It is a plastic tube with a release doo
r. They tie/strap the tube to the struts then activate the release door fro
m the cockpit with a pull wire.
> Works good.
>
> Steve
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> On Apr 13, 2013, at 4:43 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote:
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>> Hello all,
>>
>> Well, of course what follows is all hypothetical
>>
>> IF the man who was my surrogate dad and mentor; the man who taught me art
and helped me fall in love with model airplanes and antique airplanes died.
And IF we had agreed that I=99d scatter his ashes from the Pietenpol
, and IF I had kept his ashes for three years while I finished the plane, an
d and IF the Pietenpol was finally flying
>>
>> Any ideas as to how one would scatter ashes from an open cockpit plane wi
thout getting them in your face or all over the airplane?
>>
>> Of course, because of numerous legal and environmental issues I would nev
er actually do this,, but IF I hypothetically wanted to
>>
>> How would I do it?
>>
>> Open to ideas.
>>
>> Douwe
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| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
My sincerest condolences. Fair winds and following seas to your mentor!
A very good flight attendant friend of mine wants her ashes hidden in a Boeing
777 somewhere they'll never be found so she can fly to Paris every day, forever(ish).
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398572#398572
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
One also could use a bag with a rip cord that would open when the bag reach
ed the end of the cord tied to the plane then pulled in for landing. What
ever is the easiest and cleanest.
From: raykrause(at)frontiernet.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ashes...
Date: Sat=2C 13 Apr 2013 19:23:11 -0700
That would work. I will build one as Ono as the next request come in.
Thanks=2C
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 13=2C 2013=2C at 4:22 PM=2C Steve Emo wrote:
There is a rig here the guys use. It is a plastic tube with a release door
. They tie/strap the tube to the struts then activate the release door fro
m the cockpit with a pull wire.
Works good.
Steve
On Apr 13=2C 2013=2C at 4:43 PM=2C "Douwe Blumberg" wrote:
Hello all=2C
Well=2C of course what follows is all hypothetical=85
IF the man who was my surrogate dad and mentor=3B the man who taught me art
and helped me fall in love with model airplanes and antique airplanes died
. And IF we had agreed that I=92d scatter his ashes from the Pietenpol=2C
and IF I had kept his ashes for three years while I finished the plane=2C a
nd and IF the Pietenpol was finally flying=85
Any ideas as to how one would scatter ashes from an open cockpit plane with
out getting them in your face or all over the airplane?
Of course=2C because of numerous legal and environmental issues I would nev
er actually do this=2C=2C but IF I hypothetically wanted to=85
How would I do it?
Open to ideas.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Off topic but motivational thread from another site. |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
It was titled "my first welding project, lots of pics..." or something. I didn't
read it for MONTHS and MONTHS as it just sounded boring. Then, finally, one
day where I was more bored that even that sounded, I read it.... WOW.
His FIRST welding project... geesh...
Seems appropriate as a lot of guys building planes had never welded, or woodworked,
prior to starting quite an endeavor. Hope ya'll like it. I don't think
you have to have an account to view a topic in that forum, but if so, it's a spam
free site. Also a good resource if you're ever looking for nice stationary
tools or help on fixing them up.
http://www.owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=128832
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
First of all, thanks for the condolences, and secondly for the great ideas.
I honestly hadn't thought of some of these. Gary, I too had thought of just
holding it way out in a slow, skidding turn, but I have distributed ashes
just standing on a mountaintop and it was amazing how a little wind made
them go everywhere!
I'm kinda liking the idea of a length of pvc tube bungeed to the strut or
landing gear. A small hole in the front for "ram air" and a cloth tied over
the rear. When the cloth is removed, the ashes are expelled and "whalla!!"
Think I'll hit the big orange box store today. If it works, anyone can have
it when I'm done. As the need arises.
Douwe
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Interesting..
I wouldn't mind my ashes being flushed down the crapper at the original wright
bros bicycle factory. I could then perhaps become a part of that dna..
Ler
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
You would have to be taken to Dearborn Mich, to the Henry Ford Village Muse
um. It's still standing there and very small. Hard to believe they were abl
e to build it there.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: TriScout <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, Apr 14, 2013 11:45 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ashes...
Interesting..
I wouldn't mind my ashes being flushed down the crapper at the original wri
ght
bros bicycle factory. I could then perhaps become a part of that dna..
Ler
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| Subject: | Re: satellite tracking devices |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
It is fun to track the progress of "Mr. Sam" via his SPOT! Just checked and he's
near Columbia, SC. Making good time, too. Yesterday it looked like he was
making a wide circling approach to Sun 'n' Fun at Lakeland, but it must have
just been a diversion to avoid traffic there. He kept on going, and continued
on over to the Atlantic coast of Florida. It looked like he was still in the
air long after I would have tied 'er down and rubbed my sore backside, and maybe
wished for position lights and an anticollision strobe as it must have gotten
dark by the time he got across Florida.
The good progress indicates that the airplane is working fine, weather is good,
and the pilot is enjoying the ferry flight. All good!
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
I have done this in my piet for a my dads best friend. It was rather easy to do.
We released them from the front cockpit out of a plastic bag. I put the plane
in a skid with right rudder and the ashes were poured overboard out the right
side of the plane by the front passenger (don't release them out the left
side while in a right skid. Just saying) . No ashes hit me while doing this.
There was however some ash dust below the tail on the fuselage. No big deal.
In fact, I left them there for the whole summer so my dads friend could do some
more aviating with me.
After the task was completed, I found it to be a wonderful feeling knowing that
I had followed through with someone's very last wishes.
Highly recommended at least once. I would do it again if ever asked.
Cheers,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: West coast Pieter's |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
OK, I have started with sticky notes all over the SF sectional. Looks like it
will be fun. Jim, I haven't found Santa Rosa, Give me a hint where it is.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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