Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-mf
April 14, 2013 - April 26, 2013
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| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
I also have done this duty. Pour the contains of the urn on the end of a long
streamer and fold the streamer over the remains at that end, then roll the streamer
up to the other end and go aloft. Hold the exposed end of the streamer
and let go of the roll. Those on the ground watching (if that's the occasion)
will see a ling drawn (the streamer unrolling) and then a puff as the remains
are spread (so I've been told).
Use a long streamer, but if it were my mentor and fellow aviator, I'd use their
white scarf as a tribute.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398594#398594
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| Subject: | Re: West coast Pieter's |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Scott: Santa Rosa is on Hwy 101, roughly between Calistoga and Sonoma.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398600#398600
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West coast Pieter's |
STS if you're looking it up.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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AircamperN11MS
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 11:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West coast Pieter's
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OK, I have started with sticky notes all over the SF sectional. Looks like
it will be fun. Jim, I haven't found Santa Rosa, Give me a hint where it
is.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398591#398591
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| From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
I think I like that the best, Bill!! Especially the silk scarf!
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 14, 2013, at 12:09 PM, "BYD" wrote:
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> I also have done this duty. Pour the contains of the urn on the end of a long
streamer and fold the streamer over the remains at that end, then roll the streamer
up to the other end and go aloft. Hold the exposed end of the streamer
and let go of the roll. Those on the ground watching (if that's the occasion)
will see a ling drawn (the streamer unrolling) and then a puff as the remains
are spread (so I've been told).
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> Use a long streamer, but if it were my mentor and fellow aviator, I'd use their
white scarf as a tribute.
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West coast Pieter's |
Hi Sc ott,
We are 50 miles straight Norht of San Francisco; 17 miles North of Petaluma
; straight up highway 101.
Jim
=C2-
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West coast Pieter's |
It was renamed after Charles Schultz years after being Sonoma County airport.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: West coast Pieter's |
| From: | airlion2(at)gmail.com |
Sure would like to be able to fly out to the west coast pieters territory. You
have some mighty exotic Sounding towns out there. Not like henryville or
such. Cheers, Gardiner.(Airlion)
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 14, 2013, at 4:40 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
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> Gary Boothe
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> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> AircamperN11MS
> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 11:35 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West coast Pieter's
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> OK, I have started with sticky notes all over the SF sectional. Looks like
> it will be fun. Jim, I haven't found Santa Rosa, Give me a hint where it
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: West coast Pieter's |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Yep like Oshkosh, Brodhead or Blakesburg...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Apr 14, 2013, at 6:01 PM, airlion2(at)gmail.com wrote:
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> Sure would like to be able to fly out to the west coast pieters territory. You
have some mighty exotic Sounding towns out there. Not like henryville or
such. Cheers, Gardiner.(Airlion)
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Apr 14, 2013, at 4:40 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
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>> STS if you're looking it up.
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>> Gary Boothe
>> NX308MB
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> AircamperN11MS
>> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 11:35 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West coast Pieter's
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>> OK, I have started with sticky notes all over the SF sectional. Looks like
>> it will be fun. Jim, I haven't found Santa Rosa, Give me a hint where it
>> is.
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>> Scott Liefeld
>> Flying N11MS since March 1972
>> Steel Tube
>> C-85-12
>> Wire Wheels
>> Brodhead in 1996
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398591#398591
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| Subject: | Re: West coast Pieter's |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Jim,
Looks like STS is a controlled airport. Is that where we would need to go. I
have a radio but others may not. Is you plane there? Just trying to get an idea
here.
Does Mickey Mouse greet you at the terminal?
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398610#398610
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| Subject: | Re: satellite tracking devices |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
It's 8 pm in Virginia and Mr Sam is still chugging away. I think he gets the iron
butt award this weekend. Wow!
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398611#398611
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| Subject: | Re: satellite tracking devices |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
Chuck is awesome! What a guy!
On Apr 14, 2013 8:06 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:
> Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
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> It's 8 pm in Virginia and Mr Sam is still chugging away. I think he gets
> the iron butt award this weekend. Wow!
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398611#398611
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| Subject: | My progress - 1st baby step |
| From: | "pringljo" <joseph.pringle(at)gmail.com> |
After piddling around with it foe a few weeks, I finally have my rib jig the way
I want it. I'm in the process of cutting enough pieces so that I can assemble
all the ribs in an assembly line fashion. It's amazing how many gussets you
need for a complete set of ribs.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398613#398613
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | My progress - 1st baby step |
That's a nice looking jig!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pringljo
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 6:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My progress - 1st baby step
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After piddling around with it foe a few weeks, I finally have my rib jig the
way I want it. I'm in the process of cutting enough pieces so that I can
assemble all the ribs in an assembly line fashion. It's amazing how many
gussets you need for a complete set of ribs.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398613#398613
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_jig_161.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: My progress - 1st baby step |
| From: | BRETT PHILLIPS <bphillip(at)SHENTEL.NET> |
Pretty swank, I'd say! It's hard to tell, but is the jig board/drawing
covered with plastic? If so, what kind did you use? My rib jig was
apallingly crude compared to yours, but it served its' purpose. I like the
fact that you used only one block for each intercostal member. I had
three, two blocks on one side, and a third on the other side to capture it,
but the mill tolerance on the capstrip made that idea worthless. I ended
up with wedges between the single blocks and the intercostals. With only
one block like you have, a binder clip can be used to seat the IC's.
Simplicity is good, lightness is better (maybe even in fixturing!)
Brett Phillips
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
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> That's a nice looking jig!!
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> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pringljo
> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 6:12 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: My progress - 1st baby step
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> After piddling around with it foe a few weeks, I finally have my rib jig
> the
> way I want it. I'm in the process of cutting enough pieces so that I can
> assemble all the ribs in an assembly line fashion. It's amazing how many
> gussets you need for a complete set of ribs.
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398613#398613
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> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_jig_161.jpg
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| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West coast Pieter's |
Oscar (and Scott),
Calistoga is over in that other "wine country" Napa. Santa Rosa is on
101 between Petaluma (nice airport cafe) and Healdsburg (no cafe). Santa
Rosa is a towered airport so you can just orbit until they give you a
green light.
Of course you can stop in at Sonoma Skypark, where we have $4 hamburgers
and hot dogs every Saturday, rain or shine. We're about 20 miles SE of
Santa Rosa.
We also have showers and a little green grass if you would like to camp.
Darrel Jones
N154JP
On 4/14/2013 1:25 PM, taildrags wrote:
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> Scott: Santa Rosa is on Hwy 101, roughly between Calistoga and Sonoma.
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398600#398600
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| Subject: | Re: satellite tracking devices |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
ok now, I think that Mr Sam rode home on a trailer. I didn't see any stops at
airports. If was just as fun watching anyways.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398622#398622
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
UNCLASSIFIED
Years ago a couple of guys in the Texas Panhandle were asked to dump the ashes
of a local farmer over his farm. They went up in a Cessna, got over the farm and
held the urn out the window. When they opened the urn about half of the farmer
swirled around inside the cockpit. They had is in their eyes, mouths, hair
and of course clothes. They were good guys and dutifully vacuumed up the inside
of the Cessna and redumped the sweepings later.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 04/14/13, BYD wrote:
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> I also have done this duty. Pour the contains of the urn on the end of a long
streamer and fold the streamer over the remains at that end, then roll the streamer
up to the other end and go aloft. Hold the exposed end of the streamer
and let go of the roll. Those on the ground watching (if that's the occasion)
will see a ling drawn (the streamer unrolling) and then a puff as the remains
are spread (so I've been told).
>
> Use a long streamer, but if it were my mentor and fellow aviator, I'd use their
white scarf as a tribute.
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398594#398594
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West coast Pieter's |
Hi Scott,
No my plane is at my house yet. We have the local EAA chapter 124 at STS. We have
a group of hangers and clubhouse on the west side of STS. I only live about
20 minutes from our EAA chapter at STS.
An alternative would be Petaluma airport (don't know the identifier right now)
but it is an uncontrolled airport and about 25 minutes from my house.
Cheers,
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: West coast Pieter's |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I believe Petaluma Municipal would be O69 (that's OH-six-niner, not ZERO six-niner).
Now you know why the FAA doesn't let us use 'OH' (phonetic OSCAR) in our
aircraft N numbers... it gets confused with zero.
And if you don't already use AirNav for online info on airports, give it a try. It's www.airnav.com and it has a lot of good info. Over on the right side of the page when you call up an airport data page, you can do a quickie check of distance to fly to any airport from any other airport. I use it a lot for a what-if check.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398625#398625
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| Subject: | Re: West coast Pieter's |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
By the way, AirNav tells me that "Oscar Six-Niner" (Petaluma) is 247.3NM south
of me, almost directly due south at 177 degrees true, and has Jet-A fuel. Wowza!
That's 4 hrs 45 minutes away (no wind), with Scout at normal cruise. One
fuel stop on the way for me, probably Redding (RDD). If I left Medford at 7AM,
I might just be at Petaluma in time for lunch if I don't mess around at the
fuel pump in Redding for too long.
I wish.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398626#398626
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| From: | "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My progress - 1st baby step |
Where did you get the full scale rib drawing?
----- Original Message -----
From: "pringljo" <joseph.pringle(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 9:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My progress - 1st baby step
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> After piddling around with it foe a few weeks, I finally have my rib jig
> the way I want it. I'm in the process of cutting enough pieces so that I
> can assemble all the ribs in an assembly line fashion. It's amazing how
> many gussets you need for a complete set of ribs.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398613#398613
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> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_jig_161.jpg
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| From: | "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
Hi Guys,
Just a couple of pictures to show the progress on the Piet rebuild. Photos
show a bit of a "before and after".
Fuse is just about ready to cover. I just need to sort out a trim system and
radio antenna.
I have still to update the web site properly but more pictures of progress
can be found in the "Photographs" section.
You may notice the different versions of the new instrument panel. Guess who
forgot the cabane strut bracing cable positions!!!
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://repiet.cpc-world.com
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| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Wow Peter what progress!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Apr 15, 2013, at 6:24 AM, "Peter W Johnson" wrote
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> Hi Guys,
>
> Just a couple of pictures to show the progress on the Piet rebuild. Photos
show a bit of a "before and after".
>
> Fuse is just about ready to cover. I just need to sort out a trim system a
nd radio antenna.
>
> I have still to update the web site properly but more pictures of progress
can be found in the "Photographs" section.
>
> You may notice the different versions of the new instrument panel. Guess w
ho forgot the cabane strut bracing cable positions!!!
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi Australia
> http://repiet.cpc-world.com
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| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
First, nice work and congratulations!
Looks like you found the causal factor for why Dale suffered a forced landing.
Any evidence of an exhaust or intake leak on that cylinder?
Curious if you had to make some modifications to the structure for an airworthiness
cert in VK land?
Cheers!
de n0kkj
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| Subject: | Re: My progress - 1st baby step |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Great start! That's a nice looking jig,
Assembly line is the way to go-
Here's how I did mine, I think Uline sells the cardboard bins
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | air/oil separator |
I need to run the lines for my air/oil separator on my Corvair
installation and I need some advice. As can be seen in the attached
photo, my cowling is fairly tight. I do not want to run supply and
return lines off of the valve cover if I don't have to. I know that the
6 "Big Piets" plumbed the lines differently and I was wondering if any
of the Big Piet builders could respond how they did it and how it has
been working. I have the ACSS homebuilders special oil separator.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
Well, its almost over! A gaggle of three (Chuck Tippet in Mr. Sam, John in the
J-3 Cub, and Frank in a 450hp Stearman) left out of South Lakeland on Saturday.
We all met up in Yulee FL for an RON. Then it was on to Virginia. They made
it as far as Dinwiddy County Airport (KPTB). There, they left the J-3 and
Mr. Sam for the night with Frank. John and Chuck jumped into the Stearman and
headed for Warrenton. They had major issues with getting Mr. Sam started.
Once the Piet was running, Chuck said that it runs and flies like a dream. Although
Mr. Sam does not have any trim, Chuck says it flew most of the legs hands-off.
True testament to how well Mr. Michael Brusilow built this Piet. I
was going to change the tail number N687MB to something more personal to me ....
but now, no way am I changing it. Mr. Sam needs to fly high and proud with
MB as part of the tail number. So now, its off to KPTB to help out with the
starting issues. Will post pictures later.
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398638#398638
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| Subject: | Re: satellite tracking devices |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
Ok, somebody figured it out .... Truth be known the Spot was not attached to Mr.
Sam. I had it in the van I was driving back. Long trip - see the thread "A
Pietenpol Named Mr. Sam" for trip details. However, it will become part of
the airplane very soon.
But, if you are looking for a GPS Tracker .... this thing works GREAT!!!!
Thanks for following along!
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398639#398639
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Jim,
Great decision on the 'N' number!
Gary
NX308MB
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 15, 2013, at 6:41 AM, "Fun2av8" wrote:
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> Well, its almost over! A gaggle of three (Chuck Tippet in Mr. Sam, John in the
J-3 Cub, and Frank in a 450hp Stearman) left out of South Lakeland on Saturday.
We all met up in Yulee FL for an RON. Then it was on to Virginia. They
made it as far as Dinwiddy County Airport (KPTB). There, they left the J-3 and
Mr. Sam for the night with Frank. John and Chuck jumped into the Stearman
and headed for Warrenton. They had major issues with getting Mr. Sam started.
Once the Piet was running, Chuck said that it runs and flies like a dream.
Although Mr. Sam does not have any trim, Chuck says it flew most of the legs
hands-off. True testament to how well Mr. Michael Brusilow built this Piet.
I was going to change the tail number N687MB to something more personal to me
.... but now, no way am I changing it. Mr. Sam needs to fly high and proud with
MB as part of the tail number. So now, its off to KPTB to help out with the
starting issues. Will post pictures later.
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> Jim McWhorter
> N687MB (New Owner)
> Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West coast Pieter's |
Thanks Oscar, I did not know that.
Jim
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My progress - 1st baby step |
Only 42 pieces of wood in each rib!!!
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Peter Johnson's Piet restoration Progress |
Just a great looking transformation Peter and looks like you are doing some
excellent work in bringing
that Pietenpol back to LIFE!
Mike C.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 7:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress
Hi Guys,
Just a couple of pictures to show the progress on the Piet rebuild. Photos
show a bit of a "before and after".
Fuse is just about ready to cover. I just need to sort out a trim system an
d radio antenna.
I have still to update the web site properly but more pictures of progress
can be found in the "Photographs" section.
You may notice the different versions of the new instrument panel. Guess wh
o forgot the cabane strut bracing cable positions!!!
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://repiet.cpc-world.com
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jim: yes... please fill us in on the details of the starting issues with Mr. Sam.
What was tried, what worked, what were the symptoms. Some on the list may
recall that I've had difficulty starting the A75 on Scout.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Peter Johnson's Piet restoration Progress |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Peter,
Isn't your aircraft Dale McCleskey's old GN-1?
That is awesome that it has found a new home. That is a long way from the cornfield
to your house. If you don't mind, could you maybe give us a short discussion
of how hard or easy it was to ship and how you got it crated up. That would
be great.
Congratulations and I know that we are all interested in hearing more from you
about the rebuild. Looking forward to hearing more!
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Tracking down a plane. |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Got bucket loads of buddies that work at American that can search the employee
database, get a number and leave a message if you can get a name.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Peter Johnson's Piet restoration Progress |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Unless I'm mistaken, Mike Cuy sold his Corby Starlet to someone out of the country
and he prepped and crated it up for shipping. True, Mike-? What is entailed
in all of that effort to get something like an airplane from the US to an
overseas destination? Short of filling it with empty milk jugs and floating it
across, of course ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: air/oil separator |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Rick; this subject was just discussed in response to an observation that I made
about Gary Boothe's breather setup. However, his uses the valve cover and it
sounds like you're determined to avoid that. Yes, the Big Piet guys posted some
comments about what NOT to do when attempting to breathe the crankcase via
the top cover, but all indications are that the best way is going to be via the
valve cover.
I guess you could always figure out a way to make the setup more visually appealing
if you can't avoid having to run vent tubes to and from the valve cover.
Maybe some polished brass tubing brazed onto the valve cover instead of rubber
hose with hose clamps-? I guess you can braze onto the stamped steel valve
covers, but not the cast aluminum ones.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve: you wouldn't happen to *know* one of those guys from the Texas Panhandle,
or maybe even *be* one of those guys, would you? ;o)
Douwe, I really appreciate your desire to do this properly, and with dignity.
My dad wanted us to scatter his ashes in the Gulf of Mexico, where we spent many,
many wonderful hours and days fishing offshore. It was so relaxing to be
out of sight of land on the blue water, lines out behind the boat, and nothing
on the horizon. So we chartered a big "party boat" (fishing boat that takes
a bunch of folks out fishing), since we are a large family and Dad wanted all
of us to be able to go and enjoy the outing at the same time that we said our
good-byes to him. When the moment came to scatter his ashes, we had the same
embarrassing experience of having ashes and dust come wafting back over the rail
of the boat and into the family members. All the best intentions were spoiled
by the foibles of wind on the open water.
The deed got done and we ended up spending the twilight hours back in Port Aransas
in the very setting that Dad would have wanted us to, but it was not a pleasant
moment when the ashes were actually released. Give it some thought, make
a dry run or two with some innocuous fireplace sweepings, and then the emotions
of the moment won't be diverted when things don't go as planned. If you actually
had such a mentor and wanted to remember him in this way, you would do
well to remember him the way others have suggested here, with well thought out
release mechanisms that honor the departed and properly scatter his final remains.
We stand on the shoulders of men like him in order to reach the sky ourselves,
as you have so beautifully demonstrated.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | how do I post an iphone movie? |
Anyone know how I can post a move taken on an iphone?
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: how do I post an iphone movie? |
| From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Upload to YouTube, then post the link.
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 15, 2013, at 6:49 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" w
rote:
> Anyone know how I can post a move taken on an iphone?
>
> Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Tracking down a plane. |
| From: | "proplock" <proplock(at)federatedwildblue.com> |
I was in David's shop when he was building his Piet, absolutely superb to say the
least, was a really sad deal that he had to sell and couldn't finish it. His
employment also took an upset at the same time his wife was battling cancer,just
as Pieter's are, a fine fine person. Always had an invitation for coffee,
an all around good guy.
--------
A remarkable lad , capable of many things
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| From: | "M. Zeke Zechini" <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
Wow. Beautiful, Oscar....beautiful.
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 15, 2013, at 8:54 PM, "taildrags" wrote:
>
> Steve: you wouldn't happen to *know* one of those guys from the Texas Panhandle,
or maybe even *be* one of those guys, would you? ;o)
>
> Douwe, I really appreciate your desire to do this properly, and with dignity.
My dad wanted us to scatter his ashes in the Gulf of Mexico, where we spent
many, many wonderful hours and days fishing offshore. It was so relaxing to be
out of sight of land on the blue water, lines out behind the boat, and nothing
on the horizon. So we chartered a big "party boat" (fishing boat that takes
a bunch of folks out fishing), since we are a large family and Dad wanted all
of us to be able to go and enjoy the outing at the same time that we said our
good-byes to him. When the moment came to scatter his ashes, we had the same
embarrassing experience of having ashes and dust come wafting back over the
rail of the boat and into the family members. All the best intentions were spoiled
by the foibles of wind on the open water.
>
> The deed got done and we ended up spending the twilight hours back in Port Aransas
in the very setting that Dad would have wanted us to, but it was not a pleasant
moment when the ashes were actually released. Give it some thought, make
a dry run or two with some innocuous fireplace sweepings, and then the emotions
of the moment won't be diverted when things don't go as planned. If you
actually had such a mentor and wanted to remember him in this way, you would
do well to remember him the way others have suggested here, with well thought
out release mechanisms that honor the departed and properly scatter his final
remains. We stand on the shoulders of men like him in order to reach the sky
ourselves, as you have so beautifully demonstrated.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398678#398678
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: air/oil separator |
Oscar,
It sounds like I need to give up on the idea of venting off the top
cover or the oil filler tube. I have searched the list looking for the
problems that the Big Piet boys had venting off the cover, but haven't
been able to find any info. Do you remember what the issues were?
Rick Schreiber
Valpo IN
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| From: | "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Peter Johnson's Piet restoration Progress |
Hi Guys,
Yes it is Dale's old GN-1. Getting it home was not too bad with help from
people on this list.
I found a shipper though the SAAA (your EAA equivalent) here in Aussie that
ships a lot of aircraft. All I needed was someone to pack it in the US and
truck it to LA. Mark Chouinard came up with a contact in Tulsa and they
packed the Piet in a container and trucked it to LA. There it was loaded on
board a "Direct to Aussie" ship and off loaded in Melbourne about four weeks
later. From the docks it is taken to one of our local airports for unpacking
and quarantine inspection. I took a mate and with a trailer each, trailered
it all home. Fuse on one trailer, wings on the other.
Not for the feight hearted though. I thought I was dealing with a company
that would pick it up from Oklahoma and deliver it to me at home. There was
a lot of work involved in getting both ends organised. Having a
recommendation from Mark was a great help in getting it to LA.
Costs were pretty horrendous but those are the joys of living in Australia.
Nearly everything airplane oriented comes from the States!
As for the registration requirements in Australia they are very similar to
your experimental category. I can make what changes I need (within reason).
The Inspector will make a decision on how far from the airport you can fly
and the amount of hours required for the test phase based on the type of
engine, aircraft and modifications. Something really strange could get a one
flight, one circuit restriction. Most commonly known aircraft get a 50nM
radius for 25 hours. My original Piet had a 50nM radius for 50 hours because
of the Corvair engine.
As you can see form the pictures on the web site one piston had a hole in
it. I have since purchased a new (old) cylinder and all the parts to rebuild
the engine (thanks Oscar!). I took the cylinders, crank etc to my local IA
for inspection. He transferred the valves from the old cylinder to the new
one and cleaned everything else up. On checking the crank he found a crack
in it so I have had to get another crank (via Barnstormers) sent out from
the US. Oh for a Corvair!!!! (just joking).
There will be more pictures on the web site as work continues.
I am looking forward to its next flight!
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://repiet.cpc-world.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jarheadpilot82
Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2013 7:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Peter Johnson's Piet restoration Progress
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Peter,
Isn't your aircraft Dale McCleskey's old GN-1?
That is awesome that it has found a new home. That is a long way from the
cornfield to your house. If you don't mind, could you maybe give us a short
discussion of how hard or easy it was to ship and how you got it crated up.
That would be great.
Congratulations and I know that we are all interested in hearing more from
you about the rebuild. Looking forward to hearing more!
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Peter Johnson's Piet restoration Progress |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Wow! Nice work Peter
That looks great
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
I would not have gotten caught.... :-)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tracking down a plane.
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
With stuff like that tucked deep in your bags, sounds like you're working for Air
Markle now.
On Apr 15, 2013, at 5:18 PM, "curtdm(at)gmail.com" wrote:
>
> I was going through security today in MSP when I got stopped by the TSA agent
working the x-ray scanner. He asked if those were turnbuckles in my bag to which
I replied "yes". The conversation continued and low and behold he built
a Pietenpol, but had to sell it 5 yrs ago after his wife died. He was a Northwest
mechanic and it was 90% done, had an a-65, and DC-10 harnesses. He sold it
to an American Airlines pilot in Ft. Meyers, FL. He sold it and never heard
if it got finished.
> Let me know if anyone has any clues to the fate of David Holmgren's old plane.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Curt Merdan
> Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Peter Johnson's Piet restoration Progress |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Peter,
Nice work! You'll be back in the air in no time...
Of your many nice photos, your toe brakes caught my eye, and I wonder if you have
any sketches or a side shot showing some additional detail, as I have identical
brake cylinders that I picked up at AeroMart last year, and I was about to
discard them for something else until I saw your setup. Very nice indeed!
Any help would be appreciated.
--------
Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: My progress - 1st baby step |
| From: | "pringljo" <joseph.pringle(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for everybody's feedback and support so far. I have a couple of responses:
I ordered the full size rib drawing from
Bill Rewey
3339 Moundview Rd
Verona, WI 53593
608 833 5839
I sent him $25 and he sent the plan plus a nice packet of many other helpful hints
and drawings. I highly recommend him.
The plastic film is just the normal visqueen from Home Depot. I tried my first
"glue up" last night, and the finished structure just popped off the jig beautifully.
I'm using paper lunch bags for my bins. Keeping it simple.
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: My progress - 1st baby step |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Joe,
Since you got your rib drawing from Bill Rewey, I assume that's one of the Riblett
airfoils, and not the original Pietenpol airfoil.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
Frank figured out the starting problem. I have 2 leads that were not firing at
all, a really bad fouled plug (don't know which cyl), and the timing was off.
Timing - that's easy. Bottom line - Frank says that the existing mags are really
old and were at that time designed to be throw-aways - not repairable.
So now I am in search of a set of mags for my O-200. Any one know of a set of
new or used mags for sale?
Meanwhile, Chuck loaned me a set of mags out of his Champ (its in rehab) so he
can bring Mr. Sam from PTB to Culpeper. With a little bit of luck, the Piet will
be in my hangar tonight and the journey from FL will finally be over.
--------
Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
I swear I posted this.... but can't find it.
(1) Who is going to Brodhead this year?
(2) Of those of you going to Brodhead - are any of you going to Oshkosh on Sunday
July 28th?
(3) If you are not going to Oshkosh - are you planning on heading back to Virginia
on Saturday (27th) or Sunday (28th)?
Me, I think I will have had enough camping for one trip - I will most likely be
headed back to VA at the end of Brodhead. I could be convinced to go to Oshkosh
for a day or two - but that would be the max.
--------
Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My progress - 1st baby step |
You used paper bags -- I used large plastic drinking cups. C
----- Original Message -----
From: "pringljo" <joseph.pringle(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My progress - 1st baby step
>
>
> Thanks for everybody's feedback and support so far. I have a couple of
> responses:
> I ordered the full size rib drawing from
>
> Bill Rewey
> 3339 Moundview Rd
> Verona, WI 53593
> 608 833 5839
>
> I sent him $25 and he sent the plan plus a nice packet of many other
> helpful hints and drawings. I highly recommend him.
>
> The plastic film is just the normal visqueen from Home Depot. I tried my
> first "glue up" last night, and the finished structure just popped off the
> jig beautifully.
>
> I'm using paper lunch bags for my bins. Keeping it simple.
>
> Joe
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398714#398714
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
Would be my 1st time. Short on vacation time and was hoping for departure
mid week. Would be fun to go in the gaggle, though. I would be leaving from
3VA7 and hooking up, maybe, with the Virginia crew
On Apr 16, 2013 1:01 PM, "Fun2av8" wrote:
>
> I swear I posted this.... but can't find it.
>
> (1) Who is going to Brodhead this year?
>
> (2) Of those of you going to Brodhead - are any of you going to Oshkosh on
> Sunday July 28th?
>
> (3) If you are not going to Oshkosh - are you planning on heading back to
> Virginia on Saturday (27th) or Sunday (28th)?
>
> Me, I think I will have had enough camping for one trip - I will most
> likely be headed back to VA at the end of Brodhead. I could be convinced
> to go to Oshkosh for a day or two - but that would be the max.
>
> --------
> Jim McWhorter
> N687MB (New Owner)
> Culpeper, VA KCJR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398737#398737
>
>
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: air/oil separator |
Sorry for the delayed reply, as I am nursing my 88 Year old Dad with a
broken hip.
I will try ASAP to get pictures and report our performance of the oil
separator
Barry
NX973BP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Schreiber
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: air/oil separator
-->
Oscar,
It sounds like I need to give up on the idea of venting off the top cover or
the oil filler tube. I have searched the list looking for the problems that
the Big Piet boys had venting off the cover, but haven't been able to find
any info. Do you remember what the issues were?
Rick Schreiber
Valpo IN
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| Subject: | Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Just curious... Are any of you guys that are planning to fly their Piet to Brodhead,
thinking about or planning to head to Oshkosh on Sunday morning. I'm hoping
to fly my Piet to Brodhead then I am thinking very seriously about heading
further north for a couple of days. Might be fun if we had a small group...
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
UNCLASSIFIED
I was not in the plane. However, the family all said the old farmer would have
laughed his tail off.
Later I was with an ash release over a ranch on Palo Duro canyon. We wanted it
to go well, So a fellow skydiver climbed/leaned way out of the plane (with is
rig on) and I held his leg straps. We are about 1500 feet AGL but only about 300
feet above the family on the canyon rim. They said his ashes looked like silver
in the setting sunlight.
Anouther story. While working as a Lineboy at Williamsburg, VA, someone called
the FBO and asked me who could drop remains into the Chesapeake Bay. In a soothing
voice I gave them the phone number to our flight school. After I hung up
and told my coworkers, we all started laughing, what if they weren't talking about
ashes but a body? what if they were Mafia wanting to dispose of a body?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 04/15/13, taildrags wrote:
>
> Steve: you wouldn't happen to *know* one of those guys from the Texas Panhandle,
or maybe even *be* one of those guys, would you? ;o)
>
> Douwe, I really appreciate your desire to do this properly, and with dignity.
My dad wanted us to scatter his ashes in the Gulf of Mexico, where we spent many,
many wonderful hours and days fishing offshore. It was so relaxing to be
out of sight of land on the blue water, lines out behind the boat, and nothing
on the horizon. So we chartered a big "party boat" (fishing boat that takes a
bunch of folks out fishing), since we are a large family and Dad wanted all of
us to be able to go and enjoy the outing at the same time that we said our good-byes
to him. When the moment came to scatter his ashes, we had the same embarrassing
experience of having ashes and dust come wafting back over the rail
of the boat and into the family members. All the best intentions were spoiled
by the foibles of wind on the open water.
>
> The deed got done and we ended up spending the twilight hours back in Port Aransas
in the very setting that Dad would have wanted us to, but it was not a pleasant
moment when the ashes were actually released. Give it some thought, make
a dry run or two with some innocuous fireplace sweepings, and then the emotions
of the moment won't be diverted when things don't go as planned. If you actually
had such a mentor and wanted to remember him in this way, you would do
well to remember him the way others have suggested here, with well thought out
release mechanisms that honor the departed and properly scatter his final remains.
We stand on the shoulders of men like him in order to reach the sky ourselves,
as you have so beautifully demonstrated.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398678#398678
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? |
| From: | Robert Bush <rbush96589(at)aol.com> |
Hi Don, I'm thinking about doing the same thing and would love to have the company
into Oshkosh. So count me in if nothing comes up to get in the way.
Randy Bush
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 16, 2013, at 1:40 PM, "Don Emch" wrote:
>
> Just curious... Are any of you guys that are planning to fly their Piet to Brodhead,
thinking about or planning to head to Oshkosh on Sunday morning. I'm
hoping to fly my Piet to Brodhead then I am thinking very seriously about heading
further north for a couple of days. Might be fun if we had a small group...
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398744#398744
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Hey Randy,
Yeah, I'm just kicking it around right now. I had a lot of fun a few years ago
when we all went in. Just remember if you get invited to camp in one of the
little "compounds" be sure to bring double ear protection! My tent was in this
fun tribe. Ha!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | gcardinal(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? |
I've been kicking that idea around also. If I go I will be NORDO and I will
=C2-land at the ultralight strip.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:40:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Just curious... Are any of you guys that are planning to fly their Piet to
Brodhead, thinking about or planning to head to Oshkosh on Sunday morning.
=C2-I'm hoping to fly my Piet to Brodhead then I am thinking very serious
ly about heading further north for a couple of days. =C2-Might be fun if
we had a small group...
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? |
| From: | darmahboy(at)aol.com |
We'll talk @ the SAC, but I think count me in. Bob.
-----Original Message-----
From: gcardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 3:23 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
I've been kicking that idea around also. If I go I will be NORDO and I will
land at the ultralight strip.
Greg Cardinal
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:40:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Just curious... Are any of you guys that are planning to fly their Piet to
Brodhead, thinking about or planning to head to Oshkosh on Sunday morning.
I'm hoping to fly my Piet to Brodhead then I am thinking very seriously ab
out heading further north for a couple of days. Might be fun if we had a s
mall group...
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Don wish mine was ready, maybe next year!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
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thinking about or planning to head to Oshkosh on Sunday morning. I'm
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| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
| From: | BRETT PHILLIPS <bphillip(at)SHENTEL.NET> |
1.) I'm working on it dammit! ;-) Honest I am... I'm aiming to fly, but
I'll be there even if I have to drive.
2.) Probably some folks will. My belly is still full of plastic fantastics
and a sea of RV's (winnebago's and -3's, -4's, -6's etc) from 2011. I
won't likely be going back for a while.
3.) You will not want to leave Brodhead on Saturday. Sunday is the day to
leave if you have to, but it makes Pieting home to VA before Monday a rough
proposition.
If Gene and I are able to go together it will certainly be a long trip
since neither of us will be very fast or long legged. Add to that the fact
that neither of us has a tailwheel, so finding a place to land that has gas
every 1-1/2 hours will be a challenge and will make for quite an adventure.
Purists carry a heavy cross in the east...
Brett
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Fun2av8 wrote:
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> I swear I posted this.... but can't find it.
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> (1) Who is going to Brodhead this year?
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> (2) Of those of you going to Brodhead - are any of you going to Oshkosh on
> Sunday July 28th?
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> (3) If you are not going to Oshkosh - are you planning on heading back to
> Virginia on Saturday (27th) or Sunday (28th)?
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> Me, I think I will have had enough camping for one trip - I will most
> likely be headed back to VA at the end of Brodhead. I could be convinced
> to go to Oshkosh for a day or two - but that would be the max.
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> Jim McWhorter
> N687MB (New Owner)
> Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| From: | Dave Millikan <n11dmx(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? |
Sorry, but its a different subject..
Just finished a mockup of my delevator system..
All the pics of Petes show the elevators in the nose down position.
They are heavy, on balance fwd of hinge line.
has anyone put a spring in the system to offset the
heavy wood elevator
as is you must have to hold aft stick for level flight ?
Dave- inverness, Fl
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From: Don Emch <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 7:40 PM
Hey Randy,
Yeah, I'm just kicking it around right now.- I had a lot of fun a few yea
rs ago when we all went in.- Just remember if you get invited to camp in
one of the little "compounds" be sure to bring double ear protection!- My
tent was in this fun tribe.- Ha!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Pietenpol Bill" <billsmith1227(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello to all, I am getting started on my Piet project and wanting to use the Model
A engine. I was talking to a fellow and he said that with the Model A, the
Piet could use alittle bigger wing and that some guys lengthen the wing 4 feet
with the original rib design. Is this true? I started building ribs and want
to stay with the original airfoil but should I build a few more and make the
wing longer? Is this a good idea and what would be the pro's and con's of doing
this? Would this produce better performance but slower cruise? He had also
said to raise the cabane struts 2" for getting in easier? Would the wing being
higher have any difference on the air moving over the tail being changed and
causing any problems? Have read on here in the past of some Piets having problems
in steep turns wanting to keep tighening up and not wanting to roll back
out. Would this have anything to do with longer or higher wings causing these
problems? So the big question would be, for safety should I stick to the plans
and build 29' or does it really need to be improved and should be 33' to be safe
and fly better. Any and all input would be of help to ease my mind. Thanks
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
I'll be heading back to Virginia on Sunday after Brodhead. Will probably
take two days to make the trip each way.
I'll want to head to Brodhead on Tuesday, planning to arrive Wednesday. I
try this every year and haven't gotten there before Friday yet.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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1.) I'm working on it dammit! ;-) Honest I am... I'm aiming to fly, but
I'll be there even if I have to drive.
2.) Probably some folks will. My belly is still full of plastic fantastics
and a sea of RV's (winnebago's and -3's, -4's, -6's etc) from 2011. I won't
likely be going back for a while.
3.) You will not want to leave Brodhead on Saturday. Sunday is the day to
leave if you have to, but it makes Pieting home to VA before Monday a rough
proposition.
If Gene and I are able to go together it will certainly be a long trip since
neither of us will be very fast or long legged. Add to that the fact that
neither of us has a tailwheel, so finding a place to land that has gas every
1-1/2 hours will be a challenge and will make for quite an adventure.
Purists carry a heavy cross in the east...
Brett
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Fun2av8 wrote:
I swear I posted this.... but can't find it.
(1) Who is going to Brodhead this year?
(2) Of those of you going to Brodhead - are any of you going to Oshkosh on
Sunday July 28th?
(3) If you are not going to Oshkosh - are you planning on heading back to
Virginia on Saturday (27th) or Sunday (28th)?
Me, I think I will have had enough camping for one trip - I will most likely
be headed back to VA at the end of Brodhead. I could be convinced to go to
Oshkosh for a day or two - but that would be the max.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Newbie needed help and info. |
Build it to the plans, and it will be a fine flying airplane. I made a
number of "improvments" to mine, and it flies almost as well as one built
strictly to the plans. But not quite.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie needed help and info.
Hello to all, I am getting started on my Piet project and wanting to use
the Model A engine. I was talking to a fellow and he said that with the
Model A, the Piet could use alittle bigger wing and that some guys lengthen
the wing 4 feet with the original rib design. Is this true? I started
building ribs and want to stay with the original airfoil but should I build
a few more and make the wing longer? Is this a good idea and what would be
the pro's and con's of doing this? Would this produce better performance but
slower cruise? He had also said to raise the cabane struts 2" for getting in
easier? Would the wing being higher have any difference on the air moving
over the tail being changed and causing any problems? Have read on here in
the past of some Piets having problems in steep turns wanting to keep
tighening up and not wanting to roll back out. Would this have anything to
do with longer or higher wings causing these problems? So the big question
would be, for safety s!
hould I stick to the plans and build 29' or does it really need to be
improved and should be 33' to be safe and fly better. Any and all input
would be of help to ease my mind. Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
It's over! Mr. Sam is in his new home. Culpeper VA:
http://youtu.be/VbvnZpLNoP8
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: My progress - 1st baby step |
Well, I used salmon tins. :-) Mmmmmmmm
Clif
The only thing that interferes with my learning
is my education. A. Einstein
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie needed help and info. |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
In a Piet, there are mods and there are MODS...
The simple stuff like epoxy instead of casein, cable instead of hard wire, a little
doug fir (like for spars) instead of spruce, polyester and modern paint instead
of cotton and dope... are relatively minor.
Making the wing 10 percent larger isn't...
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the general consensus is to keep as
close to plans as you can stand for the most predictable results. Which, as
mentioned, is a great plane.
Horsepower is a weird term and doesn't really mean anything on it's own. The Ford
can swing a large prop, lots of frontal low pressure area that translates
into flies the plane fine. Don't let the 40 to 50 number scare you. Just as
100hp from a Corvair shouldn't be ALL that impressive, as the prop is quite a
bit smaller.
Read, read and read some more. Go find some folks building and flying and sit
in their planes, talk to them about performance and flying. You'll find you have
LOTS to do while you make sweeping decisions like making the wing that much
larger, as the ribs will be the same, still have to find and build a motor,
etc.
Keep in mind that all changes really have cascading effects and think them through
as well as you can.
I will add that LOTS of folks do raise the wing an inch, maybe two, with minor
effects. That turns out to be not a huge deal. However, the wing size thing
isn't as obvious from what I can tell...
The airplane isn't super stable, but it's really safe and easy to fly, if built
to plans. I haven't flown one not built fairly closely to plans, with the exception
of a high horsepower GN-1, and it really was a totally different animal,
and I like the to plans flying characteristics better.
Another line of thinking. If you make the wings larger, where are you going to
attach the struts? The same place, further out in proportion, further than that
for some other reason? Now those are even heavier... Larger wings might need
better attaching. Are you gonna keep the fittings the same size? Thicker
metal? Bigger cabane struts? Or not?
It REALLY gets confusing quick, unless this stuff is really inane for you. One
of the advantages to building a Piet is the vast amount of help you can get from
others. My dad built a Hatz CB-1, which doesn't have ANY help on the plans
on throttle linkages, since it's assumed you'll have a different motor and setup,
just figure it out on your own... and on and on and on. You really can
VERY closely just follow the plans on an Piet without a lot of airplane building
prior knowledge and wind up with a safe reliable plane.
Food for thought. That being said, you really can make a lot of changes effectively,
but most who enjoy the Piet, don't. Other genres of planes do a lot more.
Stay in touch!
Tools
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Bill;
I'll try to beat some of the others to the punch, but here are the top three things
you'll probably hear if you're just starting out:
1. If you don't already own a set of the genuine Pietenpol family plans for the
Air Camper, invest in them and start spending some time looking at them. Carefully,
slowly, and just letting the details start to come together to make sense.
2. If don't already own a set of Tony Bingelis' books on building experimental
aircraft, put them at the top of your Christmas list. Lots of good information
on building, hardware, techniques, tips, ideas, and answers.
3. Let us know where you're located. Chances are there is a Piet builder, owner,
or pilot near you. This is better than money in the bank or spruce lumber
in the shop, because the more time you can spend looking at, touching, sitting
in, flying in, or examining other Piets, the more money you will save and the
more re-work you'll spare yourself.
Might as well throw in the 4th and 5th most popular comments you'll get:
4. Visit Chris Tracy's website at www.westcoastpiet.com and start going through pictures of Piets. It's a gold mine.
5. All of the other answers to life's questions, philosophy, smart-alecky remarks,
and male/female relationships (not to mention aviation truths) can all be
found in the cult classic movie "The Great Waldo Pepper". Get it. Oh, and might
as well throw in #6... get Mike Cuy's video on building and flying the Pietenpol
Air Camper.
End of sermon.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Greg,
Are we "allowed" to land on the ultralight strip?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: gcardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 3:23 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
I've been kicking that idea around also. If I go I will be NORDO and I will
land at the ultralight strip.
Greg Cardinal
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:40:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Just curious... Are any of you guys that are planning to fly their Piet to
Brodhead, thinking about or planning to head to Oshkosh on Sunday morning.
I'm hoping to fly my Piet to Brodhead then I am thinking very seriously ab
out heading further north for a couple of days. Might be fun if we had a s
mall group...
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
This question posed by Dave didn't belong in a thread regarding flying to Brodhead,
so I created a new thread.
In response to your question, Dave...
What??
> n11dmx(at)yahoo.com
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> Sorry, but its a different subject..
> Just finished a mockup of my delevator system..
> All the pics of Petes show the elevators in the nose down position.
> They are heavy, on balance fwd of hinge line.
> has anyone put a spring in the system to offset the
> heavy wood elevator
> as is you must have to hold aft stick for level flight ?
> Dave inverness, Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
Brett, I talked with Gene at his hangar the other day. He is definitely going
to Brodhead. Don't know his thoughts on Oshkosh. The idea of low and slow,
and legs no longer than 1 1/2 hours, and landing only at grass strips sounds perfect.
I am looking forward to this. For me, its the adventure of the journey.
I got Mr. Sam home yesterday. Chuck did a great job bring my Piet up from Sarasota.
I have lots of tailwheel time, but the rudder bar is new to me. So today
its wash the Piet and then its taxi practice on the ramp until I am real comfortable
with the bar.
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
In '09 when we went in as a group there was talk ahead of time that some guys might
just side step and land on the grass beside the runway at the last minute.
As I was on final a couple of the guys ahead of me did that, mainly because
of a really strong direct crosswind. I've done that at many airports too. Not
really a big deal, especially there since the grass between the runway and
taxiway is clear and nice. Heck they want you to pull off into the grass as soon
as you can in your landing roll anyway. Just a thought if you can't do the
ultralight strip.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Welcome aboard Bill!
Obviously, making mods on Pietenpol "excites the masses" as well it should
in many cases.
As mentioned, there are small "mods" and there are big ones.
The two main ones you mention though, raising the wing a couple inches and
lengthening the wing have both been done successfully.
There are numerous piets out there with wings raised one to two inches to
make ingress/egress easier.
Bill Rewey lengthened his wings and has happily flown hundreds of passengers
over the last decade or two, on days when others weren't comfortable doing
so.
That being said, lengthening the wings DOES introduce a cascade affect which
you need to watch out for. I think Bill lengthened his center section, And
each wing (but I could certainly be wrong) All of this changes some fitting
geometry, strut length, attach points, linkage lengths, etc, etc, etc.
Once done however, I've not heard of anyone crashing and burning, or wishing
they hadn't done it. But maybe it's just me.
In my humble opinion though. Built to the plans, and lightly, a Ford piet is
just fine as it is. Has been for almost ninty years. Raise the wing if you
like as it adds almost no weight. IF I was a big guy and I was building a
Ford Piet, I'd consider a bit longer wing, BUT I would go into it carefully.
Mathematically, I suppose it would HAVE to slow you down a bit, but with it
would be negligible, like from 70 down to 67 but it would lift a little
better. If you're not a huge guy, just leave her as designed and enjoy.
My main suggestion though is this. Keep it as close to the plans as you can
and just build it. Sure, make it your own creation in the little things,
but keep her basically stock. Don't overthink everything or try to reinvent
the plane. It is a fun, safe, solid little plane. You can knock yourself
out changing things and end up with something that performs identically to
the original, or usually worse. Just build and don't get sidetracked so you
can enjoy flying.
$.02
Douwe
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| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Dave - I used the East Texas Trim System (ETTS) originally, which was a bungee
wrapped around the stick in the front seat to hold the elevators level. I did
not have any other elevator trim & did not need it.
Several people have added an adjustable elevator trim system. Probably very helpful
if you have a nose tank.
On the rebuild I will likely refine the ETTS to hide it in the back to hold up
the elevator beam behind the seat.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
All that Oscar said, plus: use the search feature on this sight. All your questions
have been beaten to death already.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
Rebuilding NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | new builder Bill--welcome |
Hi Bill,
Welcome to the list. Good questions. Many have been answered but to add
my thoughts, the Pietenpol has been
built with a zillion variations in all areas but your friend is right---the
Ford engine might not be enough power for your
kind of expectations. If you live in a hot area of the country and you wa
nt to carry passengers all summer long you're
better off with a Continental A-65 or more for power. If you're an expert
Ford engine rebuilder like Ken Perkins and
Dan Helsper who get great power out of their Fords then you can fly with a
Ford and carry passengers even on some warmer days.
Adding a foot or three to your wing will certainly help you lift more weigh
t and it has been done (as Douwe mentioned) by
several builders with good results. If you compare a Cub and Champ to the
Pietenpol, those other planes have about 6 more
feet of wing than the Piet so a little more wing won't hurt a Piet.
I've flown both Ford and Continental Piets and to me, flying a Ford Piet fe
els like you're doing slow flight in a Continental Piet.
The controls are less crisp, things happen more slowly in a Ford Piet and y
ou get a nice dose of exhaust if you lean out the
left side because the exhaust pipes on a Ford are right in line with your n
ose. I love the nostalgia of a Ford and seeing others
fly them but for me I prefer more power. The Corvair is another alternati
ve for more power but from what I have read, you're
going to put almost as much money into a good Corvair rebuild as you might
a Continental rebuild and the Corvair seems to have
it's share of mechanical issues as compared to the Continental with regard
to long-term reliability but everyone's experiences vary.
Keep it simple, make cosmetic changes if you like but the basic design as-s
hown on the plans will give you a good flying airplane
no matter what engine you choose if you keep it light. If you expect to h
ave a full electrical system, starter, battery, alternator,
and all the goodies then you'll want more power for sure like an 85, 90, 0-
200 or Corvair.
Here's a great Piet photo site that Chris Tracy has put together for all of
us to enjoy. You'll be able to connect our names with
the planes we are building or have finished and are flying here.
Mike C. in Ohio
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/
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| From: | Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
I had a spring on my First Air Camper from the Bell Crank to somewhere on t
he structure behind the seat=2C cant remember and would have to look for a
photo to know. I had read many years ago that Bernie did the same on his la
st ship just to keep the Elevators up inline with the Stab. It was a just f
or looks thing. Craig
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator
> From: billspiet(at)sympatico.ca
> Date: Wed=2C 17 Apr 2013 05:45:08 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
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> This question posed by Dave didn't belong in a thread regarding flying to
Brodhead=2C so I created a new thread.
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> What??
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> > Just finished a mockup of my delevator system..
> > All the pics of Petes show the elevators in the nose down position.
> > They are heavy=2C on balance fwd of hinge line.
> > has anyone put a spring in the system to offset the
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| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
I have elevator trim....will post pics if anyone desires.
Have locking push/pull cable under throttle lever
On Apr 17, 2013 10:32 AM, "Craig Aho" wrote:
> I had a spring on my First Air Camper from the Bell Crank to somewhere on
> the structure behind the seat, cant remember and would have to look for a
> photo to know. I had read many years ago that Bernie did the same on his
> last ship just to keep the Elevators up inline with the Stab. It was a just
> for looks thing.
>
> Craig
>
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator
> > From: billspiet(at)sympatico.ca
> > Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 05:45:08 -0700
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
> >
> > This question posed by Dave didn't belong in a thread regarding flying
> to Brodhead, so I created a new thread.
> >
> > In response to your question, Dave...
> > What??
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> > > n11dmx(at)yahoo.com
> > > Guest
> > >
> > > Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:10 pm Post subject: Piets from Brodhead to
> Oshkosh?
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> > > Sorry, but its a different subject..
> > > Just finished a mockup of my delevator system..
> > > All the pics of Petes show the elevators in the nose down position.
> > > They are heavy, on balance fwd of hinge line.
> > > has anyone put a spring in the system to offset the
> > > heavy wood elevator
> > > as is you must have to hold aft stick for level flight ?
> > > Dave inverness, Fl
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| Subject: | Aircraft brakes for sale |
| From: | "Pilot78" <wings.wheels29(at)yahoo.com> |
I saw this ad in our local classified ads.... I have no affiliation with the ad
or the person selling. Just passing it along.
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=23912535&cat=151&lpid=3&search=&ad_cid=11
Brian
SLC-UT
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| From: | John Core <erocje(at)gmail.com> |
I would like some photos of this trim
thanks.
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Marcus Zechini
wrote:
> I have elevator trim....will post pics if anyone desires.
> Have locking push/pull cable under throttle lever
> On Apr 17, 2013 10:32 AM, "Craig Aho" wrote:
>
>> I had a spring on my First Air Camper from the Bell Crank to somewhere on
>> the structure behind the seat, cant remember and would have to look for a
>> photo to know. I had read many years ago that Bernie did the same on his
>> last ship just to keep the Elevators up inline with the Stab. It was a just
>> for looks thing.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator
>> > From: billspiet(at)sympatico.ca
>> > Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 05:45:08 -0700
>> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> >
>> billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
>> >
>> > This question posed by Dave didn't belong in a thread regarding flying
>> to Brodhead, so I created a new thread.
>> >
>> > In response to your question, Dave...
>> > What??
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > n11dmx(at)yahoo.com
>> > > Guest
>> > >
>> > > Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:10 pm Post subject: Piets from Brodhead to
>> Oshkosh?
>> > >
>> > >
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > >
>> > > Sorry, but its a different subject..
>> > > Just finished a mockup of my delevator system..
>> > > All the pics of Petes show the elevators in the nose down position.
>> > > They are heavy, on balance fwd of hinge line.
>> > > has anyone put a spring in the system to offset the
>> > > heavy wood elevator
>> > > as is you must have to hold aft stick for level flight ?
>> > > Dave inverness, Fl
>> > >
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>> > Read this topic online here:
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>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398795#398795
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| From: | Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
I would like to see your trim system. I always enjoy seeing the enginuity o
f others. Craig
Date: Wed=2C 17 Apr 2013 11:00:51 -0400
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elevator
From: marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com
I have elevator trim....will post pics if anyone desires.
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or looks thing.
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator
> From: billspiet(at)sympatico.ca
> Date: Wed=2C 17 Apr 2013 05:45:08 -0700
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| From: | gcardinal(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? |
If you have tailskid you most certainly are.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:35:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Greg,
=C2-
Are we "allowed" to land on the ultralight strip?
=C2-
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: gcardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 3:23 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
I've been kicking that idea around also. If I go I will be NORDO and I will
=C2-land at the ultralight strip.
=C2-
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" < EmchAir(at)aol.com >
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:40:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Just curious... Are any of you guys that are planning to fly their Piet to
Brodhead, thinking about or planning to head to Oshkosh on Sunday morning.
=C2-I'm hoping to fly my Piet to Brodhead then I am thinking very serious
ly about heading further north for a couple of days. =C2-Might be fun if
we had a small group...
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
AWESOME, I finally get to use my removable tailwheel idea. I would love to
join you. That makes it easy, and I don't have to worry about doing my firs
t ever hard-surface landing.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: gcardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Wed, Apr 17, 2013 12:00 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
If you have tailskid you most certainly are.
Greg Cardinal
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:35:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Greg,
Are we "allowed" to land on the ultralight strip?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: gcardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 3:23 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
I've been kicking that idea around also. If I go I will be NORDO and I will
land at the ultralight strip.
Greg Cardinal
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:40:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Just curious... Are any of you guys that are planning to fly their Piet to
Brodhead, thinking about or planning to head to Oshkosh on Sunday morning.
I'm hoping to fly my Piet to Brodhead then I am thinking very seriously ab
out heading further north for a couple of days. Might be fun if we had a s
mall group...
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh? |
I dont want to get you overly excited, but I got an e mail from OSH
about the radial engine get together. Anyway they were talking about
possibly working on a new runway for taildraggers. I have been meaning
to contact them but havent gotten to it yet. I just got home from SNF
and am quite tired, great show though.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Greg,
Are we "allowed" to land on the ultralight strip?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: gcardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 3:23 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
I've been kicking that idea around also. If I go I will be NORDO and I
will land at the ultralight strip.
Greg Cardinal
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From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:40:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets from Brodhead to Oshkosh?
Just curious... Are any of you guys that are planning to fly their
Piet to Brodhead, thinking about or planning to head to Oshkosh on
Sunday morning. I'm hoping to fly my Piet to Brodhead then I am
thinking very seriously about heading further north for a couple of
days. Might be fun if we had a small group...
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
I may be going this year, depending on what comes up.=C2- I have been try
ing to get my Baby Lakes finished so I can hopefully fly it this summer.=C2
- If I have any money left for Brodhead Fuel I will go. I will probably h
ead up on Thursday if I go.
=C2-
Shad
--- On Tue, 4/16/13, Jack Phillips wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 10:03 PM
I=99ll be heading back to Virginia on Sunday after Brodhead.=C2- Wi
ll probably take two days to make the trip each way.
=C2-
I=99ll want to head to Brodhead on Tuesday, planning to arrive Wednes
day.=C2- I try this every year and haven=99t gotten there before Fr
iday yet.
=C2-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
=C2-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BRETT PHILLIPS
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
=C2-
1.) =C2-I'm working on it dammit! ;-) =C2-Honest I am... =C2-I'm aimi
ng to fly, but I'll be there even if I have to drive.
=C2-
2.) Probably some folks will. =C2-My belly is still full of plastic fanta
stics and a sea of RV 's (winnebago's and -3's, -4's, -6's etc) from 2011.
=C2-I won't likely be going back for a while.
=C2-
3.) You will not want to leave Brodhead on Saturday. =C2-Sunday is the da
y to leave if you have to, but it makes Pieting home to VA before Monday a
rough proposition.
=C2-
If Gene and I are able to go together it will certainly be a long trip sinc
e neither of us will be very fast or long legged. =C2-Add to that the fac
t that neither of us has a tailwheel, so finding a place to land that has g
as every 1-1/2 hours will be a challenge and will make for quite an adventu
re. =C2-Purists carry a heavy cross in the east...
=C2-
Brett
=C2-
=C2-
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Fun2av8 wrote:
I swear I posted this.... but can't find it.
(1) Who is going to Brodhead this year?
(2) Of those of you going to Brodhead - are any of you going to Oshkosh on
Sunday July 28th?
(3) If you are not going to Oshkosh - are you planning on heading back to V
irginia on Saturday (27th) or Sunday (28th)?
Me, I think I will have had enough camping for one trip - I will most likel
y be headed back to VA at the end of Brodhead. =C2- I could be convinced
to go to Oshkosh for a day or two - but that would be the max.
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N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper , VA =C2-KCJR
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | "RE-PIET's" first kinda decent videos |
For those interested,
Finally got two short videos that kinda show "RE-PIET" in action.
Douwe
<http://youtu.be/mpkt0VlY1Ig> http://youtu.be/mpkt0VlY1Ig
<http://youtu.be/RPoFpSn2A2I> http://youtu.be/RPoFpSn2A2I
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| Subject: | Re: "RE-PIET's" first kinda decent videos |
| From: | Rick <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
Very nice Douwe!
Rick Schreiber
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 17, 2013, at 3:23 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" w
rote:
> For those interested,
>
> Finally got two short videos that kinda show =9CRE-PIET=9D in a
ction.
>
> Douwe
>
> http://youtu.be/mpkt0VlY1Ig
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| Subject: | Re: "RE-PIET's" first kinda decent videos |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
Great stuff Douwe , can't wait to see it in person!
--------
NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie needed help and info. |
| From: | "Avill" <avillery(at)gmail.com> |
I have been wondering this exact same thing. Thanks for bring it up Bill. My reasons
are different though. I would be operating a Piet off of airports at altitudes
of 5-6,000 ft before factoring in DA. Hence why I would be interested in
any experiences operating at these altitudes, or folks that have extended their
wing, and how they did it.
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie needed help and info. |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Avill,
I've given this question a lot of thought over the past several years. I,
too, operate out of a fairly high airport, KLMO, which has a field
elevation of just over 5k, but with density altitudes that are typically
between 7k and 9k during the summer.
On my Pietenpol project, which is not yet flying, I've done at least three
things to compensate for altitude. One, I lengthened the wings by 9 inches
on each side. I know that isn't much, but the spar blanks I bought from
Aircraft Spruce were 14' long. I decided not to cut off the 9 inches, and
instead to take advantage of the extra length. That works out to a 5%
longer wingspan. The attach points for the diagonal spars moved out
approximately 6 inches from what is called out in the plans. I did lots of
calculations using the formulas on the WestCoastPiet.com website before
deciding whether (and where) to shift the strut attach points, as the
section of the wing outside the struts is where the greatest lift stresses
are located.
Two, I decided not to do a cutout over the rear cockpit. Everything I read
suggests this reduces lift by a significant amount. Were I nearer to sea
level, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to build with the cutout. I love
the look. But I want to retain every last measure of lift. Instead, I
built a flop section. That gives me ease of access to the rear pit and
preserves lift.
Three, I decided to use a Corvair engine. I'm going fairly stock, ala
William Wynne's conversion manual, with a set up to produce approximately
100 hp at sea level, or about 70-75 hp on a typical summer day here in
Colorado.
Not specific to altitude but just in general, I've tried to be judicious
about things that add weight. I have made a couple of concessions. I've
used the Jenny-style landing gear. It is a bit heavier than the J3-style
gear. I just like the way it looks. Also, I've installed a second fuel
tank. Again, I wouldn't have done that if I still lived in the midwest
where there is an airport every few miles. Where I fly, airports can get
awfully far apart. When they do, I'd swear the winds are directly off the
nose.
Tell us all where you are. If you are in the Colorado area, feel free to
drop me a PM. There are a few other Pietenpols in the area -- a couple
that are finished and a couple, including mine, that are advancing toward
completion.
My best, Ken
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Avill wrote:
>
> I have been wondering this exact same thing. Thanks for bring it up Bill.
> My reasons are different though. I would be operating a Piet off of
> airports at altitudes of 5-6,000 ft before factoring in DA. Hence why I
> would be interested in any experiences operating at these altitudes, or
> folks that have extended their wing, and how they did it.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398836#398836
>
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| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
Hi Shad!
Are you in Virginia?
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N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
Here's what I think I have figured out - Please chime in if I got it wrong.
Going to Brodhead
- Gene Rambo
- Jack Phillips
- Matt Paxton
- Jim McWhorter
On The Fence
- Marcus Zechini
- Brett Phillips
- Shad
Haven't heard yet
- Dave Boyd
- Gary Booth
Returning to VA on Sunday
- Jack Phillips
Going on to Oshkosh on Sunday
-
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N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
| From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
You will not see me at B'head this year...sorry to miss all y'all!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 17, 2013, at 7:36 PM, "Fun2av8" wrote:
>
> Here's what I think I have figured out - Please chime in if I got it wrong.
>
> Going to Brodhead
> - Gene Rambo
> - Jack Phillips
> - Matt Paxton
> - Jim McWhorter
>
> On The Fence
> - Marcus Zechini
> - Brett Phillips
> - Shad
>
> Haven't heard yet
> - Dave Boyd
> - Gary Booth
>
> Returning to VA on Sunday
> - Jack Phillips
>
> Going on to Oshkosh on Sunday
> -
>
> --------
> Jim McWhorter
> N687MB (New Owner)
> Culpeper, VA KCJR
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398846#398846
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| From: | "M. Zeke Zechini" <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
I think I am on the Brodhead side of the fence...
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 17, 2013, at 10:48 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> You will not see me at B'head this year...sorry to miss all y'all!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 17, 2013, at 7:36 PM, "Fun2av8" wrote:
>
>>
>> Here's what I think I have figured out - Please chime in if I got it wrong.
>>
>> Going to Brodhead
>> - Gene Rambo
>> - Jack Phillips
>> - Matt Paxton
>> - Jim McWhorter
>>
>> On The Fence
>> - Marcus Zechini
>> - Brett Phillips
>> - Shad
>>
>> Haven't heard yet
>> - Dave Boyd
>> - Gary Booth
>>
>> Returning to VA on Sunday
>> - Jack Phillips
>>
>> Going on to Oshkosh on Sunday
>> -
>>
>> --------
>> Jim McWhorter
>> N687MB (New Owner)
>> Culpeper, VA KCJR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398846#398846
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| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
| From: | "M. Zeke Zechini" <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
Shad...from where do you hail?
Jack, take a look at 3VA7 on a chart. Rally point?
Quite sure I am going.
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 17, 2013, at 3:54 PM, shad bell wrote:
>
> I may be going this year, depending on what comes up. I have been trying t
o get my Baby Lakes finished so I can hopefully fly it this summer. If I ha
ve any money left for Brodhead Fuel I will go. I will probably head up on Th
ursday if I go.
>
> Shad
>
> --- On Tue, 4/16/13, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> From: Jack Phillips <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 10:03 PM
>
> I=99ll be heading back to Virginia on Sunday after Brodhead. Will p
robably take two days to make the trip each way.
>
>
>
> I=99ll want to head to Brodhead on Tuesday, planning to arrive Wedne
sday. I try this every year and haven=99t gotten there before Friday y
et.
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>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BRETT PHILLIPS
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:31 PM
> To: pietenpol-list
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
>
>
>
> 1.) I'm working on it dammit! ;-) Honest I am... I'm aiming to fly, but
I'll be there even if I have to drive.
>
>
>
> 2.) Probably some folks will. My belly is still full of plastic fantastic
s and a sea of RV 's (winnebago's and -3's, -4's, -6's etc) from 2011. I wo
n't likely be going back for a while.
>
>
>
> 3.) You will not want to leave Brodhead on Saturday. Sunday is the day to
leave if you have to, but it makes Pieting home to VA before Monday a rough
proposition.
>
>
>
> If Gene and I are able to go together it will certainly be a long trip sin
ce neither of us will be very fast or long legged. Add to that the fact tha
t neither of us has a tailwheel, so finding a place to land that has gas eve
ry 1-1/2 hours will be a challenge and will make for quite an adventure. Pu
rists carry a heavy cross in the east...
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> Brett
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>
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Fun2av8 wrote:
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> I swear I posted this.... but can't find it.
>
> (1) Who is going to Brodhead this year?
>
> (2) Of those of you going to Brodhead - are any of you going to Oshkosh on
Sunday July 28th?
>
> (3) If you are not going to Oshkosh - are you planning on heading back to V
irginia on Saturday (27th) or Sunday (28th)?
>
> Me, I think I will have had enough camping for one trip - I will most like
ly be headed back to VA at the end of Brodhead. I could be convinced to go
to Oshkosh for a day or two - but that would be the max.
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> N687MB (New Owner)
> Culpeper , VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Gary,
Now, how did you manage to get included in the Virginia Pietenpols group? California
to Brodhead via Virginia would be a BIG detour for you if you were going.
> Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:48 pm Post subject: Virginia Pietenpols
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> You will not see me at B'head this year...sorry to miss all y'all!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie needed help and info. |
| From: | airlion2(at)gmail.com |
Ken, where are you located. I have kids in Colorado Springs and glen wood sp
rings and I get out there often. My Piet has the cut out. And the WWII corva
ir. Gardiner Mason (Airlion)
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 17, 2013, at 8:54 PM, Ken Bickers wrote:
> Avill,
>
> I've given this question a lot of thought over the past several years. I,
too, operate out of a fairly high airport, KLMO, which has a field elevatio
n of just over 5k, but with density altitudes that are typically between 7k a
nd 9k during the summer.
>
> On my Pietenpol project, which is not yet flying, I've done at least three
things to compensate for altitude. One, I lengthened the wings by 9 inches
on each side. I know that isn't much, but the spar blanks I bought from Ai
rcraft Spruce were 14' long. I decided not to cut off the 9 inches, and ins
tead to take advantage of the extra length. That works out to a 5% longer w
ingspan. The attach points for the diagonal spars moved out approximately 6
inches from what is called out in the plans. I did lots of calculations usi
ng the formulas on the WestCoastPiet.com website before deciding whether (an
d where) to shift the strut attach points, as the section of the wing outsid
e the struts is where the greatest lift stresses are located.
>
> Two, I decided not to do a cutout over the rear cockpit. Everything I rea
d suggests this reduces lift by a significant amount. Were I nearer to sea l
evel, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to build with the cutout. I love the
look. But I want to retain every last measure of lift. Instead, I built a
flop section. That gives me ease of access to the rear pit and preserves li
ft.
>
> Three, I decided to use a Corvair engine. I'm going fairly stock, ala Will
iam Wynne's conversion manual, with a set up to produce approximately 100 hp
at sea level, or about 70-75 hp on a typical summer day here in Colorado.
>
> Not specific to altitude but just in general, I've tried to be judicious a
bout things that add weight. I have made a couple of concessions. I've used
the Jenny-style landing gear. It is a bit heavier than the J3-style gear.
I just like the way it looks. Also, I've installed a second fuel tank. Ag
ain, I wouldn't have done that if I still lived in the midwest where there i
s an airport every few miles. Where I fly, airports can get awfully far apa
rt. When they do, I'd swear the winds are directly off the nose.
>
> Tell us all where you are. If you are in the Colorado area, feel free to d
rop me a PM. There are a few other Pietenpols in the area -- a couple that a
re finished and a couple, including mine, that are advancing toward completi
on.
>
> My best, Ken
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Avill wrote:
>>
>> I have been wondering this exact same thing. Thanks for bring it up Bill.
My reasons are different though. I would be operating a Piet off of airport
s at altitudes of 5-6,000 ft before factoring in DA. Hence why I would be in
terested in any experiences operating at these altitudes, or folks that have
extended their wing, and how they did it.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | going to Brodhead |
Douwe's going IF life doesn't throw any curves. I want to join a group
coming through and tag along for my first trip. Looks like a gaggle will
fly through/assemble in Waynesville, OH.
There are two piets in Lousiville that are thinking about it, and Jeff Faith
would like to if everything works out for him.
There's yet another by Waynesville, OH who is considering it if his schedule
allows.
Gradiner is coming through from Atlanta and Jeff B MIGHT tag along with him.
Those are the guys I"ve spoken with.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Night Flying in a Piet |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
I searched the forum and could not find any thoughts on this. Does anyone have
lights on their Piet for Night Flying? If so - are their rules about putting
lights on an experimental aircraft?
--------
Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
It's not that far...if you are One with the world...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
-->
Gary,
Now, how did you manage to get included in the Virginia Pietenpols group?
California to Brodhead via Virginia would be a BIG detour for you if you
were going.
> Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:48 pm Post subject: Virginia Pietenpols
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
> You will not see me at B'head this year...sorry to miss all y'all!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
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| Subject: | FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
New to this experimental stuff .... where do I find the rules and regulations of
what I can and can't do to an experimental aircraft? I am positive they exist
- I'm also equally sure they are somewhat restrictive. Just need to know where
to find them. I want to make sure my Piet is legal and safe.
--------
Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
Wow, now that is a long XC. Sorry Gary, I got the impression you were a Virginia
based Piet. my bad! But, on the other hand - if you leave two weeks early
- you can join us :-)
--------
Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Jim,
Your airplane has a set of Operating Limitations. They should be carried in the
airplane. Find these and read them. They will tell you exactly what you can
do and what FAR's apply to your plane. The Operating Limitations are the bible
and Lifeblood of your airplane. They all read a little different, depending
on who wrote them. The correct verbiage you put in the logbook for your condition
inspections is also there.
You must carry the Operating Limitations in the aircraft to be legal.
Hope this helps you.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Off the top of my head, I think red/green/white position lights and a beacon/strobe
are the exterior ones required. There's a synapse firing that says a landing
light is not and that there are one or two additional instruments (like
maybe a turn/bank) that are. More to follow when I remember where to find the
real data.
Then there's the question of wisdom. If you get caught out and are returning just
around civil twilight, that's one thing. Dead of the night flying into an
unfamiliar airfield is not for the inexperienced or faint of heart, especially
in a barely VFR equipped aircraft. I've got a LOT of flying time and think
carefully before doing it in my IFR equipped Cherokee.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
Dave Hi.
Have you seen this? I'm in UK so good here yet.
> It's an App for the iPad called Xavion that will guide you into a safe
landing after an engine failure at night or IFR.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KE00OMiKVQ&feature=youtu.be
>
Regards
Gerry
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
UNCLASSIFIED
The rules basically say you have to have lights. A red port (left), green starboard
(right) and white tail position lights. An anti collision light (Strobe or
rotating beacons, top and/or Bottom) and you would need a landing/Taxi light.
Beyond that there is little expectation.
You could put in a conventional electrical type system But for Experimental there
is no requirement for them to be driven by the engine electrical system, you
could even consider "add on" lights, IE small battery powered independent (no
wires) positon and anticollision lights that you turn on and off before and
after the flight. IE no cockpit switch. Then a good "spotlight" that will serve
as a landing/taxi light.
Don't read in more to what the FAA requres.
You could just run the wires while building and not put lights on until later.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 04/18/13, Fun2av8 wrote:
>
> I searched the forum and could not find any thoughts on this. Does anyone have
lights on their Piet for Night Flying? If so - are their rules about putting
lights on an experimental aircraft?
>
> --------
> Jim McWhorter
> N687MB (New Owner)
> Culpeper, VA KCJR
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398863#398863
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UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Using this reference (the best I can find so far...)
http://www.eaa.org/sportaviationmag/2011/1103_ABEA_Requirements.pdf
I think all you need is position lights, anti collision lights, adequate electricity
and spare fuses (?).
Found it curious that a lot of what I thought were required instruments (airspeed,
fuel, engine... etc) are NOT listed as required for day vfr, but are for night
vfr. Is this because of the experimental status?
Anyway, also seems odd nothing is mentioned about cockpit lighting, so you can
see the required instruments...
Can't find anything about a landing light, most sources seem to indicate this is
needed only for commercially used aircraft.
>From a common sense standpoint, another necessity is a WELL lit field, and if
necessary, a way to activate the lights there (two way radio perhaps).
Night flying is GREAT! However, it's also a lot more varsity than intuitively
obvious. The loss of peripheral vision is a HUGE deal and requires a lot of thought,
training, whatever. It's a lot like really marginal VFR, very insidious.
The toughest flying I've ever done (other than a few select nights at the
boat) was in the Persian gulf during the summer. PERFECTLY legal VFR, but ABSOLUTELY
no horizon. It was plainly an instrument only affair and I logged it
that way. Pretty sure it was conditions like those that led to JFK Jr's death.
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
I have wing tip lights, a tail light and a landing light on my piet. They
are not there for night flight, they are there for flying for the 30
minutes after sunset which can be the nicest time of day around here.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Night Flying in a Piet
>
> I searched the forum and could not find any thoughts on this. Does anyone
> have lights on their Piet for Night Flying? If so - are their rules about
> putting lights on an experimental aircraft?
>
> --------
> Jim McWhorter
> N687MB (New Owner)
> Culpeper, VA KCJR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398863#398863
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I just found one reference in the EAA's website, mentioned it in your thread about
night flying. Might want to look around there, or just call them! It IS
their specialty.
Digging it out of the FAR's is proving tougher than I thought it would be...
Keep in mind, what is LEGAL for an experimental plane, and what is SAFE are sometimes
NOT the same! It's good that the rules are vague enough that we can operate
these things, but that does place a bigger burden on headwork. Your regular
light civil experience will prove useful here!
>From what I can tell, most of rules that apply to certed light civil planes, do
pretty much keep you safe, albeit somewhat over robust at times.
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Jim,
Again, check your operating limitations. They may prohibit it.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
UNCLASSIFIED
In my 65 year old Vtail Bonanza, I really think before I do night flight. Not as
worried over my home field or over most of the plains of Texas, Oklahoma, New
Mexico or Kansas. Lots of flat open places to put a plane even when you can
barely see.
BUT I don't want to be over Antelope hill Oklahoma in a glider at night. Lots of
rough terrain to bump into.
I do plan flights where I arrive near Enid Oklahoma from San Antonio after dark.
The last hour of flight is over very flat terrain with plenty of airports I
am familiar with. I don't like to be approaching San Antonio after dark. Lots
of rough terrain, I am less familiar with all the local airports, and there are
lots of towers and such.
Having said that, there is something very peaceful and beautiful about night flight.
Clear Skies,
Steve
On 04/18/13, dgaldrich wrote:
>
> Off the top of my head, I think red/green/white position lights and a beacon/strobe
are the exterior ones required. There's a synapse firing that says a landing
light is not and that there are one or two additional instruments (like
maybe a turn/bank) that are. More to follow when I remember where to find the
real data.
>
> Then there's the question of wisdom. If you get caught out and are returning
just around civil twilight, that's one thing. Dead of the night flying into an
unfamiliar airfield is not for the inexperienced or faint of heart, especially
in a barely VFR equipped aircraft. I've got a LOT of flying time and think carefully
before doing it in my IFR equipped Cherokee.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398869#398869
>
>
>
>
>
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>
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Oh... there's a good point...
If your limitations say NO NIGHT FLYING, how easy is it to change that? Didn't
even consider that... I guess even if you do make it legal (physically), you
need to get that modified?
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| From: | "Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
Most jurisdictions (Canada, Europe and I think the USA) require an
artificial horizon at night under the relevant operation rules.
All night operations are not the same. I have been completely disoriented
leveling off on a black night over northern Ontario and desperately needed
the AI to keep the aircraft strait and level until my brain got with the
program. On the other hand I have run my Chief on skies on a moon light
night over snow covered fields with "full" visibility as if it were day or
just dusk. That was fair to middlin' illegal with no running lights (no
electrics) and no AI but relatively safe and amazingly beautiful.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
Sent: April 18, 2013 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
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UNCLASSIFIED
In my 65 year old Vtail Bonanza, I really think before I do night flight.
Not as worried over my home field or over most of the plains of Texas,
Oklahoma, New Mexico or Kansas. Lots of flat open places to put a plane
even when you can barely see.
BUT I don't want to be over Antelope hill Oklahoma in a glider at night.
Lots of rough terrain to bump into.
I do plan flights where I arrive near Enid Oklahoma from San Antonio after
dark. The last hour of flight is over very flat terrain with plenty of
airports I am familiar with. I don't like to be approaching San Antonio
after dark. Lots of rough terrain, I am less familiar with all the local
airports, and there are lots of towers and such.
Having said that, there is something very peaceful and beautiful about
night flight.
Clear Skies,
Steve
On 04/18/13, dgaldrich wrote:
> -->
>
> Off the top of my head, I think red/green/white position lights and a
beacon/strobe are the exterior ones required. There's a synapse firing
that says a landing light is not and that there are one or two additional
instruments (like maybe a turn/bank) that are. More to follow when I
remember where to find the real data.
>
> Then there's the question of wisdom. If you get caught out and are
returning just around civil twilight, that's one thing. Dead of the night
flying into an unfamiliar airfield is not for the inexperienced or faint
of heart, especially in a barely VFR equipped aircraft. I've got a LOT of
flying time and think carefully before doing it in my IFR equipped
Cherokee.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398869#398869
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
A regular at Brodhead, N57TL is equipped for night flight, including instrument
lights.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Rules & Regulations Regarding Experimental Aircraft |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Tools,
You are correct about changing the Limitations. That airplane has probably got
the older type of Operating Limitations due to its age. If any changes are made,
the local FSDO office WILL provide the plane with the updated version of
the limitations. This is not necessarily a good thing. Do your homework before
jumping into doing this. I have been down this road in the past and elected
to not change mine.
My three cents,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
| From: | DandD Boyd <dndboyd2(at)gmail.com> |
Even though not yet in Virginia (ETA late 2014) Dave Boyd is going to
Brodhead in NX7710J. Departing CMI about '0 Dark Thirty' on Friday
returning Sunday.
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:15 PM, M. Zeke Zechini
wrote:
> Shad...from where do you hail?
> Jack, take a look at 3VA7 on a chart. Rally point?
> Quite sure I am going.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 17, 2013, at 3:54 PM, shad bell wrote:
>
> I may be going this year, depending on what comes up. I have been trying
> to get my Baby Lakes finished so I can hopefully fly it this summer. If
I
> have any money left for Brodhead Fuel I will go. I will probably head up
on
> Thursday if I go.
>
> Shad
>
> --- On *Tue, 4/16/13, Jack Phillips * wrote:
>
>
> From: Jack Phillips <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 10:03 PM
>
> I=92ll be heading back to Virginia on Sunday after Brodhead. Will
> probably take two days to make the trip each way.
>
>
> I=92ll want to head to Brodhead on Tuesday, planning to arrive Wednesday.
I
> try this every year and haven=92t gotten there before Friday yet.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [
> mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]
> *On Behalf Of *BRETT PHILLIPS
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:31 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
>
>
> 1.) I'm working on it dammit! ;-) Honest I am... I'm aiming to fly, bu
t
> I'll be there even if I have to drive.
>
>
> 2.) Probably some folks will. My belly is still full of plastic
> fantastics and a sea of RV 's (winnebago's and -3's, -4's, -6's etc) from
> 2011. I won't likely be going back for a while.
>
>
> 3.) You will not want to leave Brodhead on Saturday. Sunday is the day t
o
> leave if you have to, but it makes Pieting home to VA before Monday a rou
gh
> proposition.
>
>
> If Gene and I are able to go together it will certainly be a long trip
> since neither of us will be very fast or long legged. Add to that the fa
ct
> that neither of us has a tailwheel, so finding a place to land that has g
as
> every 1-1/2 hours will be a challenge and will make for quite an adventur
e.
> Purists carry a heavy cross in the east...
>
>
> Brett
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Fun2av8 http://us.m
c1612.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=iflyga(at)fun2av8.com>>
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> >
>
> I swear I posted this.... but can't find it.
>
> (1) Who is going to Brodhead this year?
>
> (2) Of those of you going to Brodhead - are any of you going to Oshkosh o
n
> Sunday July 28th?
>
> (3) If you are not going to Oshkosh - are you planning on heading back to
> Virginia on Saturday (27th) or Sunday (28th)?
>
> Me, I think I will have had enough camping for one trip - I will most
> likely be headed back to VA at the end of Brodhead. I could be convince
d
> to go to Oshkosh for a day or two - but that would be the max.
>
>
> --------
> Jim McWhorter
> N687MB (New Owner)
> Culpeper , VA KCJR
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Virginia Pietenpols |
I am central Ohio, Centerburg.=C2- I usually fly rt 30 across northern In
diana- Joliet, Poplar Grove-Brodhead
=C2-
Shad
--- On Thu, 4/18/13, DandD Boyd wrote:
From: DandD Boyd <dndboyd2(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
Date: Thursday, April 18, 2013, 12:17 PM
Even though not yet in Virginia (ETA late 2014) Dave Boyd is going to Brodh
ead in NX7710J.=C2- Departing CMI about '0 Dark Thirty'=C2-on Friday re
turning Sunday.
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:15 PM, M. Zeke Zechini wrote:
Shad...from where do you hail?
Jack, take a look at 3VA7 on a chart. Rally point?=C2-
Quite sure I am going.=C2-
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 17, 2013, at 3:54 PM, shad bell wrote:
I may be going this year, depending on what comes up.=C2- I have been try
ing to get my Baby Lakes finished so I can hopefully fly it this summer.=C2
- If I have any money left for Brodhead Fuel I will go. I will probably h
ead up on Thursday if I go.
=C2-
Shad
--- On Tue, 4/16/13, Jack Phillips wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 10:03 PM
I=99ll be heading back to Virginia on Sunday after Brodhead.=C2- Wi
ll probably take two days to make the trip each way.
=C2-
I=99ll want to head to Brodhead on Tuesday, planning to arrive Wednes
day.=C2- I try this every year and haven=99t gotten there before Fr
iday yet.
=C2-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
=C2-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BRETT PHILLIPS
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Virginia Pietenpols
=C2-
1.) =C2-I'm working on it dammit! ;-) =C2-Honest I am... =C2-I'm aimi
ng to fly, but I'll be there even if I have to drive.
=C2-
2.) Probably some folks will. =C2-My belly is still full of plastic fanta
stics and a sea of RV 's (winnebago's and -3's, -4's, -6's etc) from 2011.
=C2-I won't likely be going back for a while.
=C2-
3.) You will not want to leave Brodhead on Saturday. =C2-Sunday is the da
y to leave if you have to, but it makes Pieting home to VA before Monday a
rough proposition.
=C2-
If Gene and I are able to go together it will certainly be a long trip sinc
e neither of us will be very fast or long legged. =C2-Add to that the fac
t that neither of us has a tailwheel, so finding a place to land that has g
as every 1-1/2 hours will be a challenge and will make for quite an adventu
re. =C2-Purists carry a heavy cross in the east...
=C2-
Brett
=C2-
=C2-
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Fun2av8 wrote:
I swear I posted this.... but can't find it.
(1) Who is going to Brodhead this year?
(2) Of those of you going to Brodhead - are any of you going to Oshkosh on
Sunday July 28th?
(3) If you are not going to Oshkosh - are you planning on heading back to V
irginia on Saturday (27th) or Sunday (28th)?
Me, I think I will have had enough camping for one trip - I will most likel
y be headed back to VA at the end of Brodhead. =C2- I could be convinced
to go to Oshkosh for a day or two - but that would be the max.
--------
Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper , VA =C2-KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: going to Brodhead |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Hey Douwe,
I understand about life throwing curves at you! Who are the Louisville guys?
Is one Jim Kinsella by any chance? As long as I don't get any curveballs either
I'll probably be flying the route 30 corridor.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
UNCLASSIFIED
Check out this "Pocket Panel" for $1500. Not cheap but stand alone (internal battery)
or cigarette lighther. Lighting internal, Heading, AHI, artificial Horizon
and all plus GPS Speed and heading, 4 hour charge, ETC Plus it can be moved
from plane to plane.
http://dynonavionics.com/downloads/Literature/Dynon-D1-Pocket-Panel-Web-Jul2012.pdf
or Trutrak Attitude indicators only draw 1 amp if you have a
These could meet the requiremtn for AH
Blue Skies,
STeve D
On 04/18/13, Robert Gow wrote:
>
> Most jurisdictions (Canada, Europe and I think the USA) require an
> artificial horizon at night under the relevant operation rules.
>
> All night operations are not the same. I have been completely disoriented
> leveling off on a black night over northern Ontario and desperately needed
> the AI to keep the aircraft strait and level until my brain got with the
> program. On the other hand I have run my Chief on skies on a moon light
> night over snow covered fields with "full" visibility as if it were day or
> just dusk. That was fair to middlin' illegal with no running lights (no
> electrics) and no AI but relatively safe and amazingly beautiful.
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com](javascript:main.compose() On Behalf Of Dortch,
> Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> Sent: April 18, 2013 11:10 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
>
> -->
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> In my 65 year old Vtail Bonanza, I really think before I do night flight.
> Not as worried over my home field or over most of the plains of Texas,
> Oklahoma, New Mexico or Kansas. Lots of flat open places to put a plane
> even when you can barely see.
>
> BUT I don't want to be over Antelope hill Oklahoma in a glider at night.
> Lots of rough terrain to bump into.
>
> I do plan flights where I arrive near Enid Oklahoma from San Antonio after
> dark. The last hour of flight is over very flat terrain with plenty of
> airports I am familiar with. I don't like to be approaching San Antonio
> after dark. Lots of rough terrain, I am less familiar with all the local
> airports, and there are lots of towers and such.
>
> Having said that, there is something very peaceful and beautiful about
> night flight.
>
> Clear Skies,
> Steve
>
> On 04/18/13, dgaldrich wrote:
> > -->
> >
> > Off the top of my head, I think red/green/white position lights and a
> beacon/strobe are the exterior ones required. There's a synapse firing
> that says a landing light is not and that there are one or two additional
> instruments (like maybe a turn/bank) that are. More to follow when I
> remember where to find the real data.
> >
> > Then there's the question of wisdom. If you get caught out and are
> returning just around civil twilight, that's one thing. Dead of the night
> flying into an unfamiliar airfield is not for the inexperienced or faint
> of heart, especially in a barely VFR equipped aircraft. I've got a LOT of
> flying time and think carefully before doing it in my IFR equipped
> Cherokee.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398869#398869
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> UNCLASSIFIED
>
>
>
>
>
UNCLASSIFIED
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
UNCLASSIFIED
To clarify, I see this as an Option to buying a lot of equipment. It replaces several
instruments and does not require an electrical system. Indeed it is portable
and can be used in several planes.
Just a thot.
Steve D
On 04/18/13, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" wrote:
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> Check out this "Pocket Panel" for $1500. Not cheap but stand alone (internal
battery) or cigarette lighther. Lighting internal, Heading, AHI, artificial Horizon
and all plus GPS Speed and heading, 4 hour charge, ETC Plus it can be moved
from plane to plane.
>
> http://dynonavionics.com/downloads/Literature/Dynon-D1-Pocket-Panel-Web-Jul2012.pdf
>
> or Trutrak Attitude indicators only draw 1 amp if you have a
>
> These could meet the requiremtn for AH
>
> Blue Skies,
> STeve D
>
> On 04/18/13, Robert Gow wrote:
> >
> > Most jurisdictions (Canada, Europe and I think the USA) require an
> > artificial horizon at night under the relevant operation rules.
> >
> > All night operations are not the same. I have been completely disoriented
> > leveling off on a black night over northern Ontario and desperately needed
> > the AI to keep the aircraft strait and level until my brain got with the
> > program. On the other hand I have run my Chief on skies on a moon light
> > night over snow covered fields with "full" visibility as if it were day or
> > just dusk. That was fair to middlin' illegal with no running lights (no
> > electrics) and no AI but relatively safe and amazingly beautiful.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com](javascript:main.compose()(javascript:main.compose() On Behalf Of Dortch,
> > Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> > Sent: April 18, 2013 11:10 AM
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Night Flying in a Piet
> >
> > -->
> >
> > UNCLASSIFIED
> > In my 65 year old Vtail Bonanza, I really think before I do night flight.
> > Not as worried over my home field or over most of the plains of Texas,
> > Oklahoma, New Mexico or Kansas. Lots of flat open places to put a plane
> > even when you can barely see.
> >
> > BUT I don't want to be over Antelope hill Oklahoma in a glider at night.
> > Lots of rough terrain to bump into.
> >
> > I do plan flights where I arrive near Enid Oklahoma from San Antonio after
> > dark. The last hour of flight is over very flat terrain with plenty of
> > airports I am familiar with. I don't like to be approaching San Antonio
> > after dark. Lots of rough terrain, I am less familiar with all the local
> > airports, and there are lots of towers and such.
> >
> > Having said that, there is something very peaceful and beautiful about
> > night flight.
> >
> > Clear Skies,
> > Steve
> >
> > On 04/18/13, dgaldrich wrote:
> > > -->
> > >
> > > Off the top of my head, I think red/green/white position lights and a
> > beacon/strobe are the exterior ones required. There's a synapse firing
> > that says a landing light is not and that there are one or two additional
> > instruments (like maybe a turn/bank) that are. More to follow when I
> > remember where to find the real data.
> > >
> > > Then there's the question of wisdom. If you get caught out and are
> > returning just around civil twilight, that's one thing. Dead of the night
> > flying into an unfamiliar airfield is not for the inexperienced or faint
> > of heart, especially in a barely VFR equipped aircraft. I've got a LOT of
> > flying time and think carefully before doing it in my IFR equipped
> > Cherokee.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398869#398869
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > UNCLASSIFIED
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> UNCLASSIFIED
>
UNCLASSIFIED
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey Don,
Yes, Jim Kinsella is talking about flying up this year. He has a friend
who's name escapes me, who has a recently completed piet just north of the
river at Clark Cty airport.
Then of course, Jeff Faith is in Louisville.
Almost a squadron down there
D
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| Subject: | Re: Night Flying in a Piet |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
Wow, great responses. Thank you. Specially got a kick out of the fact that BaldEagle
actually knows that Mr. Sam has been flown at night.
I have a considerable amount of night flying experience and KCJR is very well lite
at night. So I see no issues there. However, I'm going to caveat this with
the fact that all of my night flying experience (VFR & IFR) have been in certificated
production aircraft with full instrument arrays including of course
the AI.
Night flying (30 minutes or more after sunset) in an open cockpit would be an interesting
experience. Clearly something I would work my way up to very cautiously.
Great words of wisdom in this post are most helpful. I really don't want
to go splat in the middle of the night.
Mr. Sam has a full electrical system with alternator and starter. So, power source
is no issue. I do need to think about lights on the instruments - thinking
about LED strip lighting on a dimmer appropriately placed should solve the
problem ..... one of the really cools things about owning an experimental airplane
... you can experiment! :D
However, I am for sure thinking about the need for AI in flight if a case where
there is suddenly a moment of lost horizon. Both suggestions in posts, the Xavion
app running on an IPad and the Pocket Panel make sense and both bear further
investigation.
Bottom line - I do want to fly at night - it is something really enjoy. However,
thatnks the information here, I will be much better prepared and it is something
I will approach carefully. Got to get the position lights, Beacon, and
landing light logistics and installation figured out.
--------
Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
Getting the logs and paper work in order. I have a weight and balance data that
some of the info is really difficult to decipher. See attached.
What I need to find / figure out is how to create / get a weight & balance chart.
Can someone help me figure this one out?
--------
Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/weight_and_balance_n687mb_1_251.pdf
http://forums.matronics.com//files/sample_wandb_graph_136.png
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
I was about to rent or buy scales to weigh mine...avery tools
On Apr 20, 2013 9:07 AM, "Fun2av8" wrote:
>
> Getting the logs and paper work in order. I have a weight and balance
> data that some of the info is really difficult to decipher. See attached.
>
> What I need to find / figure out is how to create / get a weight & balance
> chart.
>
> Can someone help me figure this one out?
>
> --------
> Jim McWhorter
> N687MB (New Owner)
> Culpeper, VA KCJR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399001#399001
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/weight_and_balance_n687mb_2_514.pdf
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/weight_and_balance_n687mb_1_251.pdf
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/sample_wandb_graph_136.png
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
http://bit.ly/11vyl7Q
> I don't know what TARE is and I'm not sure about some of the data the form is
asking for.
>
> Can someone help me figure this one out?
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I can see why you're confused!
Really, this is probably going to be the easiest for you if you have someone local
you can sit down with over a beer and figure it all out.
However, here's a couple of points that I hope help a little.
First, there's some fixed values you NEED to know, and given what I've seen in
your attachments, I'd verify if I were you.
Prop up the tail of the plane to where the top longeron of the fuse is parallel
to the ground. Then, mark the center of where the front wheels touch the ground.
Drop a plumb line from the center of where the tail wheel touches whatever
it's propped up on, to the ground and that's your wheel base. Your paper work
seems to indicate it's 179 inches?
Since the safe center of gravity is usually represented as a distance range from
the leading edge of the wing, you need to know where that is, relative to the
front wheels. One of your docs seems to indicate 7 inches, the other SEEMS
to say 5.59 inches. That's only a inch and a half difference, but that's pretty
significant. Drop a plumb line from the leading edge to the ground and then
measure to figure the distance.
Third, you need to know what the safe cg range is for a GN-1. MOST normal little
planes' wings have a safe cg range of about 20 to 30 percent of the MAC...
or from a fifth to a third of the width (or chord) of the wing from the leading
edge.
For a piet, that has a 60 inch chord, it's from 12 to 20 inches from the leading
edge. However, I think the plans indicate 15 to 20 inches, which is merely
more conservative. Probably ought to look through your operating limitations
for something. If that doesn't work, ask GN-1 builders (there's plenty here)
what their plans indicate.
There are formulas you can use, or derive, to figure the min and max weights here
and there to determine the data you need to make the chart you want. But really,
it's Piet.... there's only so much you can do to change the CG! Basically
it's gonna be based (since I think you only have a over wing tank) on Pilot
weight. The pax is pretty much on the CG and wont change things much.
Rather than using a lot of formulas, or guessing where the cg of various components
are and doing very involved calculations, I just loaded the plane this way
and that (me in the front, son in the back... me in the back son inthe front,
just me, just him... ) and weighed it each way and did the simple calculation
of determining where the cg was in each case and got a feel for what is safe
in the plane.
I was surprised to learn that for my Piet (which is a pretty standard Piet) that
a difference of some 50 lbs in the pilot seat only changed the cg about an inch...
from 18 to 19 inches or thereabouts. If the plane was set up correctly
to begin with (basically where the wing is on the thing and things like batteries,
props), it'll be fine for practically all operating conditions.
So load it up, weigh it, fill out a sheet showing your calculations and that they're
within the safe range, log it and go flying! Double check if you decide
to take the battery out, change from a metal to wood prop, stuff like that.
If your plane is like most, it's close to the aft limit, just how they usually
wind up. So put the heaviest guy in there you think is gonna fly it, the lightest,
you get the idea. Then you'll know for SURE.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "Avill" <avillery(at)gmail.com> |
Jim,
Tare has to do with the weight of objects that aren't part of the airplane. In
your case chocks, chains, or straps used to hold the plane in position would be
your tare weight. The best solution is to put the chocks on the scale then zero
them out. In your calcs you could just put zero down. Otherwise the weight
of chocks would be tare.
I hope this helps.
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Weight and balance is something that if you do it right, you'll only have to do
it once (until you change something significant on the airplane). It's also
something that if you do it wrong, it can make your airplane squirrelly to fly...
or worse. In the case of my airplane, with all the fuel in a single tank
ahead of the CG, as the fuel burns the CG moves aft, so it's important to know
the W&B and be aware of how it changes in different loading configurations.
The good news is that, like everything else about the Piet (or Grega), it's simple.
My advice would be for you to contact an EAA tech counselor or someone who has
access to good scales and who has done the W&B on other airplanes. That will
make it very easy, quick, and accurate. The last one that I did on Scout, after
I changed the engine and prop, took less than an hour and I am very, very confident
in the logbook entries and in the weights and measurements that we took.
There is an EAA chapter, 186, in Manasses... just over the hill from you. They
have six tech counselors and one of them is Dick Koehler, who is a frequent contributor
to the excellent homebuilder hints videos that EAA offers. Here's
a webpage on the tech counselors:
http://www.186.eaachapter.org/technicalcounselors.htm
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Louisville guys |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Hey, Douwe: how many Piets are there in a squadron?
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Louisville guys |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
IIRC, 16 in a squadron?
Dave
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| From: | "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net> |
Another idea that may be of interest for containing and securing cargo for those
long trips to Brodhead.
Yes throttle knob and stick to be removed when cage in use.
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
Absorbing .... Lots of great stuff. As luck would have it EAA Chapter 186 was
out at KCJR today and will be there again tomorrow. I'm going to go introduce
myself. Their website has a really great tutorial on W&B that reads well with
Tools comments.
Got homework to do ... :-)
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | baggage cage and squadron size |
COOL BAGGAGE CAGE!
Re Oscar's question as to what constitutes an proper and official Pietenpol
squadron; here are my thoughts.
Like most things in life, I think this is relative, as it seems to be in air
forces around the world.
However, in my book a Pietenpol squadron is comprised of three or more
airplanes. I feel this is justified by their relative rarity and uniqueness
which makes a flight of three or more a pretty unusual event.
Plus I always thought it was just a cool word to say.
$.02
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Louisville guys |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
To follow Chuck's line of thinking about aircraft numbers in his squadron, during
my two cruises (7 months each time in WestPac, 1983-4, 1984-5) we had 12 CH-46's,
4 CH-53's, 4 Cobras, and 2 Hueys, totaling 22 airframes. In addition, on
my second cruise we had 4 AV-8A/C Harriers, for a total of 26 airframes.
Two years later, I was an IP in VT-3 at Whiting Field, FL. Technically, we had
NO airplanes as they were owned by Training Wing 5, maintained under contract
by DynaCorp, and doled out to VT-2, VT-3, and VT-6 on a rotating basis. The squadron
was made up of the pilots and support personnel.
So my point is this - a squadron is the people, not the aircraft. The aircraft
can number between zero and as many as you want. I think that this forum could
be considered the Pietenpol Squadron. Your KY contingent is merely a Section,
or Flight out of the larger Squadron. So who is Section Lead?
My $.02
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Louisville guys |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
I really need to fly soon so i can get the 40 hrs off by then.
I had a couple of emails with Jim... and Bob McKinley is the guy across the river
at JVY i believe... I've seen his plane in the hangar over there.
Can't wait for that trip north
i have a smaller diameter crankshaft pulley on the way to slow down the water pump...
Hope that solves my issue so i can get off the ground
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Baggage Cage |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Now see, I like that cage too! Great idea! A guy could even make it out of aluminum
and pop it all together with pulled rivets and not need to weld anything.
We don't need no FAA, PMA, STCs, 337s, or any of that other stuff, either
;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Successful gross weight test |
Today, "RE-PIET" successfully carried her max gross weight. As I consider
it unsafe to try to secure 160 of ballast in the cockpit, I decided to use
myself.
All went well. Obviously a bit more sluggish, but trimmed out and stalled
nicely. This load was 40 lbs more than Marci and I with a full load of 20
gallons.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Successful gross weight test |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Douwe,
I'll refrain from any comments about flying inverted while doing a gross
weight test. That would be too easy.
My question is about the goggles. They appear to be prescription lens, and
are very sharp looking. Where did you get them? And what do you think of
them?
Cheers, Ken
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> Today, =93RE-PIET=94 successfully carried her max gross weight. As I
> consider it unsafe to try to secure 160 of ballast in the cockpit, I
> decided to use myself.****
>
> ** **
>
> All went well. Obviously a bit more sluggish, but trimmed out and stalle
d
> nicely. This load was 40 lbs more than Marci and I with a full load of 2
0
> gallons.****
>
> ** **
>
> Douwe****
>
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| Subject: | Re: Successful gross weight test |
| From: | "Avill" <avillery(at)gmail.com> |
What was your stall speed whilst at gross?
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Baggage Cage |
In a message dated 4/21/2013 3:33:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "taildrags"
Now see, I like that cage too! Great idea! A guy could even make it out
of aluminum and pop it all together with pulled rivets and not need to weld
anything. We don't need no FAA, PMA, STCs, 337s, or any of that other
stuff, either ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Oscar?????????????????
Are you getting that 60s urge to sneek through those low Sierra passes
early in the mornings toward Brodhead??????????????????????
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| Subject: | Anyone in the Springfield, VA area? |
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie needed help and info. |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Gardiner, I'm in Longmont, which is north of Denver by about 40 miles.
Feel free to drop in when you are in the state. With the weather warming
up (notwithstanding the forecast of more snow tomorrow night and the next
day), most evenings I'll be working at my hangar on the Pietenpol. Let me
know when you are coming and I'll put a beer or two in the fridge. Cheers,
Ken
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 6:34 AM, wrote:
> Ken, where are you located. I have kids in Colorado Springs and glen wood
> springs and I get out there often. My Piet has the cut out. And the WWII
> corvair. Gardiner Mason (Airlion)
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 17, 2013, at 8:54 PM, Ken Bickers wrote:
>
> Avill,
>
> I've given this question a lot of thought over the past several years. I,
> too, operate out of a fairly high airport, KLMO, which has a field
> elevation of just over 5k, but with density altitudes that are typically
> between 7k and 9k during the summer.
>
> On my Pietenpol project, which is not yet flying, I've done at least three
> things to compensate for altitude. One, I lengthened the wings by 9 inches
> on each side. I know that isn't much, but the spar blanks I bought from
> Aircraft Spruce were 14' long. I decided not to cut off the 9 inches, and
> instead to take advantage of the extra length. That works out to a 5%
> longer wingspan. The attach points for the diagonal spars moved out
> approximately 6 inches from what is called out in the plans. I did lots of
> calculations using the formulas on the WestCoastPiet.com website before
> deciding whether (and where) to shift the strut attach points, as the
> section of the wing outside the struts is where the greatest lift stresses
> are located.
>
> Two, I decided not to do a cutout over the rear cockpit. Everything I
> read suggests this reduces lift by a significant amount. Were I nearer to
> sea level, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to build with the cutout. I
> love the look. But I want to retain every last measure of lift. Instead,
> I built a flop section. That gives me ease of access to the rear pit and
> preserves lift.
>
> Three, I decided to use a Corvair engine. I'm going fairly stock, ala
> William Wynne's conversion manual, with a set up to produce approximately
> 100 hp at sea level, or about 70-75 hp on a typical summer day here in
> Colorado.
>
> Not specific to altitude but just in general, I've tried to be judicious
> about things that add weight. I have made a couple of concessions. I've
> used the Jenny-style landing gear. It is a bit heavier than the J3-style
> gear. I just like the way it looks. Also, I've installed a second fuel
> tank. Again, I wouldn't have done that if I still lived in the midwest
> where there is an airport every few miles. Where I fly, airports can get
> awfully far apart. When they do, I'd swear the winds are directly off the
> nose.
>
> Tell us all where you are. If you are in the Colorado area, feel free to
> drop me a PM. There are a few other Pietenpols in the area -- a couple
> that are finished and a couple, including mine, that are advancing toward
> completion.
>
> My best, Ken
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Avill wrote:
>
>>
>> I have been wondering this exact same thing. Thanks for bring it up Bill.
>> My reasons are different though. I would be operating a Piet off of
>> airports at altitudes of 5-6,000 ft before factoring in DA. Hence why I
>> would be interested in any experiences operating at these altitudes, or
>> folks that have extended their wing, and how they did it.
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone in the Springfield, VA area? |
| From: | "M. Zeke Zechini" <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
Jim:
It's quite a stretch, but if it's not rush hour...it would take about an hou
r and a half to get out to White Post, near Wincester, Va. I keep my GN-1 th
ere. Mr. Sam just arrived (jim McWhorter just purchased) and lives in Culpep
er, about same time out of Springfield. I think Gene Rambo about finished wi
th his Model A masterpiece, also at KCJR.
-Zeke
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 21, 2013, at 9:28 PM, Jim Markle wrote:
> I might be in the area next week and sure would enjoy a visit and a Pieten
pol evening!
>
> Sent via smartphone...so please ignore typos....
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: baggage cage and squadron size |
Sounds to me that each one of us is worth at
least thirty six of anyone else. Or is that just
my multipersonality syndrom rearing it's
ugly head?? :-)
Clif
"If you've heard this story before," said Groucho Marx, "don't stop me,
because I'd like to hear it again."
Re Oscar's question as to what constitutes an proper and official
Pietenpol squadron; here are my thoughts.
Like most things in life, I think this is relative, as it seems to be
in air forces around the world.
However, in my book a Pietenpol squadron is comprised of three or more
airplanes. I feel this is justified by their relative rarity and
uniqueness which makes a flight of three or more a pretty unusual event.
Plus I always thought it was just a cool word to say.
$.02
Douwe
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| Subject: | Number of varnish coats needed... |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Guys:
What's the consensus out there on number of varnish coats needed for the fuselage...
I got one coat on most of the front inside parts (did'nt get all the underneath
sides fully or the outside of the bottom floor yet).
But, I painted the metal parts I've welded with Alum. Oxide and then black enamel
spray paint, and then put the first coat of unthinned Man-O-War spar varnish
on the fuse.
Felt I was getting somewhere for a change... but I guess that was just the fumes
;o)
So, what's the verdict on numbers of coats to be safe? (Did NOT paint the outside
of the fuse where the ply paneling will go... I want a good, raw surface there
for bonding...)
Mark
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| Subject: | What should I do to fix this?? |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Again:
So while painting the varnish on the plane's fuse members today, I discovered something
I am very glad I found, but wish I'd have seen before I build the fuse
sides.
I cut all of my own longerons and cross pieces from raw, un-finished sitka. I cut
over size then planed the pieces to the finished size. The vertical fuse strut
that connects the bottom fuse longeron to the top longeron, the one that the
front left cabane strut connects to, has a compression fracture in the wood
about 4-5 inches from the top longeron. You can see it plainly. It is actually
glued to the inside 1/8" ply front fuse gusset that lines the inside of the
engine tray, but still, it's there plain to see. Dunno how I missed it when I
was building it.
So, if I was to pull on the top of the cabane strut connection and the bottom of
the plane (as if in a tug-o-war.... OR a high G manuver), I could see this part
wanting to separate right at that fracture. It is, after all, the main connection
to the fuse.
I am sure the 2 plywood sides would sandwich and hold the piece securely, but still...
I want to make that area more secure with some reinforcement.
I will post a picture of the fracture. It can be seen looking from the front of
the fuse, and runs forward to back on the face of the strut that is glued to
the inside ply gusset. It is only on that side of the strut, but it is there.
So, I am thinking of lining the front and rear of the strut where the fracture
is with a 1/8 x 7/8" wide, x 8" or so long plate. That should make that whole
area surrounded with a "box" of plywood (the side of the fuse and the inside gusset,
and the 2 plates) that would hold the tension stress of the wing trying
to pull the strut apart at the fracture, like a tug-o-war.
Thoughts? I wish I'd seen this before the strut was in place. I really don't want
to try to cut that part out and replace it at this point unless I really have
to for safety. It would almost be like fixing a cracked strut that was't fully
broken in a landing or something...
Thanks!!
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| Subject: | What should I do to fix this?? |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Again:
So while painting the varnish on the plane's fuse members today, I discovered something
I am very glad I found, but wish I'd have seen before I build the fuse
sides.
I cut all of my own longerons and cross pieces from raw, un-finished sitka. I cut
over size then planed the pieces to the finished size. The vertical fuse strut
that connects the bottom fuse longeron to the top longeron, the one that the
front left cabane strut connects to, has a compression fracture in the wood
about 4-5 inches from the top longeron. You can see it plainly. It is actually
glued to the inside 1/8" ply front fuse gusset that lines the inside of the
engine tray, but still, it's there plain to see. Dunno how I missed it when I
was building it.
So, if I was to pull on the top of the cabane strut connection and the bottom of
the plane (as if in a tug-o-war.... OR a high G manuver), I could see this part
wanting to separate right at that fracture. It is, after all, the main connection
to the fuse.
I am sure the 2 plywood sides would sandwich and hold the piece securely, but still...
I want to make that area more secure with some reinforcement.
I will post a picture of the fracture. It can be seen looking from the front of
the fuse, and runs forward to back on the face of the strut that is glued to
the inside ply gusset. It is only on that side of the strut, but it is there.
So, I am thinking of lining the front and rear of the strut where the fracture
is with a 1/8 x 7/8" wide, x 8" or so long plate. That should make that whole
area surrounded with a "box" of plywood (the side of the fuse and the inside gusset,
and the 2 plates) that would hold the tension stress of the wing trying
to pull the strut apart at the fracture, like a tug-o-war.
Thoughts? I wish I'd seen this before the strut was in place. I really don't want
to try to cut that part out and replace it at this point unless I really have
to for safety. It would almost be like fixing a cracked strut that was't fully
broken in a landing or something...
Thanks!!
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Number of varnish coats needed... |
Mark,
This may not be a problem in your area but here in SE Texas I made a big mistake
by not putting enough coats of varnish on the outside of the fuselage. My thinking
was that one or two coats would seal the wood and that would be enough,
but what happened was that black mildew got down inside the grain pores of the
semi-varnished wood. I spent an entire weekend scrubbing the mildew out and
then applied two more coats of spar varnish to get a smooth finish. Of course
you want plenty of coats inside the cockpit where there's more scuffing and
wear.
The only other suggestion I have is that you might consider painting your engine
mount white as it would more easily show rust and/or cracks.
Regards,
John Franklin
Prairie Aire 4TA0
Needville, TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
>
>Hi Guys:
>
>What's the consensus out there on number of varnish coats needed for the fuselage...
I got one coat on most of the front inside parts (did'nt get all the underneath
sides fully or the outside of the bottom floor yet).
>
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| Subject: | Re: What should I do to fix this?? |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Hi Mark,
Throughout the whole process of building an airplane you really want to have the
mindset of... "what is the most correct thing to do?" Even though the most
correct is usually not what you want to do. If you know in the back of your mind
that the most correct thing would be to cut that thing out and away from the
gusset and replace it, then that is what you should do.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: What should I do to fix this?? |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Based on your varnish post, I guess you haven't put on the plywood sides?
I'd just replace that part. At 5" from one end, not far enough for a proper scarf...
Pretty sure the 43.13 would have you replacing the part. If you were
to scarf, it would then have you boxing in the scarf I think.
A compression fracture is just one of those bad things.
If you decide not to, I'd do a scarf to replace the fracture, as long as you can,
and then box around it, rather than just leaving the fracture there. The design
calls for a inch cross section (well, close). The boxing in you describe
only gives you a 1/4 of what the plans call for at 1/8 each.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | wood reapir and varnishing |
Mark,
Your fix sounds good to me. Since it adds little weight, you could go
with
=BC=94 .
Re fuselage varnishing. I think the consensus is=85 there isn=92t a
consensus,
except that it penetrates well and is a good product that is compatible
with
your covering system=92s glue.
I=92d say most guys over-varnish, but unless you=92re worried about a
tiny bit
extra weight, who cares? Myself=85 I=92d varnish with a thinned coat to
really
get it penetrating the wood and then a second full coat.
$.02
Douwe
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey Ken!
They ARE pretty cool. I really like them. They are made by Halcyon in
England, who makes most of the "real" (glass not plastic) RAF type goggles.
Got them from an outfit in England who had a great selection. Just do a
thorough Google search and you'll find them. Don't forget to search for
stuff like vintage motorcycle goggles or vintage RAF goggles, or Halcyon RAF
goggles. Mostly they come in black with nickel metal and I was surprised to
find these brass ones. I have a smaller pair too which look niftier but the
larger ones offer a better field of view. I like this type of goggle
because they are glass so there's no distortion and they're well made.
I just got the prescription laminates put on and I like them also. Had the
guy leave the bottom third clear so I could read my instruments and charts
(gps)
He's an old optometrist from New York/Jersey and is a real personality,
kinda "old school". Here's his site.
http://www.prescriptiongoggles.com/
D
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
UNCLASSIFIED
What about shatter resistance? Are they a danger to your eyes in an accident?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 04/22/13, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
>
>
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> Hey Ken!
>
>
>
> They ARE pretty cool. I really like them. They are made by Halcyon in England,
who makes most of the “real” (glass not plastic) RAF type goggles.
Got them from an outfit in England who had a great selection. Just do a thorough
Google search and you’ll find them. Don’t forget to search for
stuff like vintage motorcycle goggles or vintage RAF goggles, or Halcyon RAF
goggles. Mostly they come in black with nickel metal and I was surprised to
find these brass ones. I have a smaller pair too which look niftier but the larger
ones offer a better field of view. I like this type of goggle because they
are glass so there’s no distortion and they’re well made.
>
>
>
> I just got the prescription laminates put on and I like them also. Had the guy
leave the bottom third clear so I could read my instruments and charts (gps)
>
>
>
> He’s an old optometrist from New York/Jersey and is a real personality,
kinda “old school”. Here’s his site.
>
>
>
> http://www.prescriptiongoggles.com/(blockedhttp://www.prescriptiongoggles.com/)
>
>
>
> D
>
>
>
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>
>
UNCLASSIFIED
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| From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Steven,
I have to ask: Why do you begin your posts with, "UNCLASSIFIED"?
Gary
NX308MB
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:36 AM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
wrote:
> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: What should I do to fix this?? |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Mark, this is a good time to get out (or Google) a copy of AC 43.13-1B -
Acceptable Methods, Techniques, and Practices - Aircraft Inspection and
Repair. I'd vote for fixing it. Some day, you'll be flying the airplane.
You'll have plenty to think about without having the nagging worry that
one of the key structural pieces that ties the landing gear through the
fuselage to the wing might not be as strong as it should be. Besides, we
all have rebuilt parts that we had previously built. Keeps us humble. :)
My best, Ken
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
>
> Hi Again:
>
> So while painting the varnish on the plane's fuse members today, I
> discovered something I am very glad I found, but wish I'd have seen before
> I build the fuse sides.
>
> I cut all of my own longerons and cross pieces from raw, un-finished
> sitka. I cut over size then planed the pieces to the finished size. The
> vertical fuse strut that connects the bottom fuse longeron to the top
> longeron, the one that the front left cabane strut connects to, has a
> compression fracture in the wood about 4-5 inches from the top longeron.
> You can see it plainly. It is actually glued to the inside 1/8" ply front
> fuse gusset that lines the inside of the engine tray, but still, it's there
> plain to see. Dunno how I missed it when I was building it.
>
> So, if I was to pull on the top of the cabane strut connection and the
> bottom of the plane (as if in a tug-o-war.... OR a high G manuver), I could
> see this part wanting to separate right at that fracture. It is, after all,
> the main connection to the fuse.
>
> I am sure the 2 plywood sides would sandwich and hold the piece securely,
> but still... I want to make that area more secure with some reinforcement.
>
> I will post a picture of the fracture. It can be seen looking from the
> front of the fuse, and runs forward to back on the face of the strut that
> is glued to the inside ply gusset. It is only on that side of the strut,
> but it is there.
>
> So, I am thinking of lining the front and rear of the strut where the
> fracture is with a 1/8 x 7/8" wide, x 8" or so long plate. That should make
> that whole area surrounded with a "box" of plywood (the side of the fuse
> and the inside gusset, and the 2 plates) that would hold the tension stress
> of the wing trying to pull the strut apart at the fracture, like a
> tug-o-war.
>
> Thoughts? I wish I'd seen this before the strut was in place. I really
> don't want to try to cut that part out and replace it at this point unless
> I really have to for safety. It would almost be like fixing a cracked strut
> that was't fully broken in a landing or something...
>
> Thanks!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399086#399086
>
>
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| From: | Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Number of varnish coats needed... |
I agree with Douwe that one thinned followed by one full coat is good for m
ost of the structure. I have a bunch of wood boat building experiance and l
ove Schooner Varnish and if you want a piece of you ship to look real nice
at least 4-5 coats of that varnish will really make the piece look nice. I
will probably do that with my gear leags and maybe the interior of my cockp
it. Craig
> Date: Mon=2C 22 Apr 2013 05:40:17 -0500
> From: jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Number of varnish coats needed...
>
>
> Mark=2C
>
> This may not be a problem in your area but here in SE Texas I made a big
mistake by not putting enough coats of varnish on the outside of the fusela
ge. My thinking was that one or two coats would seal the wood and that wou
ld be enough=2C but what happened was that black mildew got down inside the
grain pores of the semi-varnished wood. I spent an entire weekend scrubbi
ng the mildew out and then applied two more coats of spar varnish to get a
smooth finish. Of course you want plenty of coats inside the cockpit where
there's more scuffing and wear.
>
> The only other suggestion I have is that you might consider painting your
engine mount white as it would more easily show rust and/or cracks.
>
> Regards=2C
> John Franklin
> Prairie Aire 4TA0
> Needville=2C TX
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
>
com>
> >
> >Hi Guys:
> >
> >What's the consensus out there on number of varnish coats needed for the
fuselage... I got one coat on most of the front inside parts (did'nt get a
ll the underneath sides fully or the outside of the bottom floor yet).
> >
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone in the Springfield, VA area? |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
By all means come on out if can get away. I met Zeke yesterday at Culpeper - he
stopped by to see Mr. Sam and introduce himself. Was nice to meet him. I hope
to pop over to White Post soon. Last I spoke with Gene, his Piet Masterpiece
(understatement) is very close. The fuse and tail are done and the wing is
built. He's in the final stages of sanding and painting the wing. I'm looking
forward to the maiden flight.
--------
Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: What should I do to fix this?? |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Mark,
Before you do anything, go read AC43-13 as several others have suggested. After
you have read it then ask yourself, "if I only repair it, and the repair fails,
what is the worst that can happen to me and my passengers"?
If you can sleep well at night with the answer you come up with, then let that
guide you. Not trying to be harsh, but I am trying to get you to add risk management
in your tool box as you build.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: What should I do to fix this?? |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
OK. What a bunch of spoil sports.
The next time I need a good honest answer, I will ask somewhere else :o)
Thanks to all of you that posted, as you confirmed what I felt in my heart: this
thing needs to be replaced, not repaired. As much as I want to keep it there,
I don't want the nagging thought in the back of my mind that I could have a
hard landing and create a strut problem :o
You know how sometimes you want something to be different and you know the truth
to be something else.... that's what happened when I saw that compression fracture.
Immediately knew "Replacement" but hoped "fix".
So, if I ever make it to Brodhead and wanna give rides to people that read this
list, I'd better replace the strut :o)
Thanks guys! I appreciate the answers. AC-43-13 at hand as well....
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: What should I do to fix this?? |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Excellent choice!
Having done this kind of repair before, I think the easiest is a decent set of
hand chisels and a smallish back saw (even a model airplane style x-acto will
work fine).
I'm still not certain you've put on the sides, I'll assume so as it's worst case.
Using the chisels remove the upper and lower interior gusset plates. If you've
got nails, try to pry them out first, but it's not a big deal, a good chisel
will cut through them if necessary. Try to remove the top few plys, that'll keep
you out of the good part of the other members. Then just pare the remaining
plywood off. It's more controlled than sanding, less messy and noisy and won't
take but 20 or 30 minutes each.
Get comfortable to where you can control the chisel and use a skewing cut. Lay
the chisel flat, bevel up and "slice". It won't take a lot of pressure if the
chisel is decently sharp. You're not cutting anything hard, so you can sharpen
the chisel with a rather flat bevel, in the 25 degree range.
Cut almost through the piece above and below the fracture, nearly to the skin.
Take a chisel and knock that piece out. Then use the chisel from the newly exposed
ends, bevel down and try to split off about 1/8" at a time from that end
into the cluster joint. In a few splits, you'll be close to the skin. When
you get to the skin, do just like before and pare off the remaining spruce and
glue. You'll have to do it bevel down and be careful, unless you have some
crank neck chisels (which would work REALLY well, then you can get level bevel
up and not risk digging in).
In fact, they'll work so well, it might be worth bending the neck of a chisel to
do this job. Most tangs should be soft enough to do it cold...
The spruce and epoxy are very soft and it won't be difficult. It'll seem tedious,
which is it, but it'll be carefully carved out of there before you know it.
If you do dig into something you don't want it, it'll be a very minor deal,
not a major goof. Epoxy is very gap filling so a little dig here and there are
meaningless. I'd do it all by hand, not hammering the chisel along with a
mallet (until you get the hang of things).
If you carve out 1/32" at a time, it'll take you 32 operations... at a couple minutes
each... so an hour? The thing is, it's slow and safe, not nerve wracking,
you learn as you go to get more efficient, just very very little risk. The
wood will be immediately prepared to receive the new piece.
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
UNCLASSIFIED
The Email system that I use is Army Knowledge Online. It is the Army email system
for personal and professional use. All of our communications are split into
"Classified" and "Unclassified."
Classified is anything that is confidential, For Office Use Only, Secret, Top Secret,
or even higher classifications. All of those are marked "Classified Secret"
or whatever the clearance level is.
the system automatically starts each Email with "UNCLASSIFIED." I have an Army
Knowledge Online-Secure Email address also, used only on secure systems. They
all begin "CLASSIFIED
BTW the ALL CAPS is a hold over from the old teletypes. One font and only caps
made the system less complicated. 26 letters instead of 52.
Blue "UNCLASSIFIED" Skies,
Steve D
On 04/22/13, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> Steven,
>
> I have to ask: Why do you begin your posts with, "UNCLASSIFIED"?
>
> Gary
> NX308MB
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:36 AM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
wrote:
>
> > wrote:
>
>
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 1000 video |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Brick;
Roger that. I know how to fly the 172, but I don't know how to operate the Garmin
1000. It's about learning, and I'd much rather learn it while sitting at
my desk than while paying an instructor or renting an airplane. So, let's say
it's a new skill that I'm interested in.
I do appreciate the advice on which readouts to be attentive to, though. Same
ones as always.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Successful gross weight test |
| From: | Ryan M <Aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> |
That is a sweet looking windshield frame! Th matching goggles are nice too.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 21, 2013, at 8:20 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" w
rote:
> Today, =9CRE-PIET=9D successfully carried her max gross weight
. As I consider it unsafe to try to secure 160 of ballast in the cockpit, I
decided to use myself.
>
> All went well. Obviously a bit more sluggish, but trimmed out and stalled
nicely. This load was 40 lbs more than Marci and I with a full load of 20 g
allons.
>
> Douwe
>
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| From: | "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Successful gross weight test |
Judging by that photo and other photo's of 're piet' I'd say it's all a
sweet looking plane all together. All agree?? :-) Way to go Douwe
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan M
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Successful gross weight test
That is a sweet looking windshield frame! Th matching goggles are nice
too.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 21, 2013, at 8:20 PM, "Douwe Blumberg"
wrote:
Today, =9CRE-PIET=9D successfully carried her max gross
weight. As I consider it unsafe to try to secure 160 of ballast in the
cockpit, I decided to use myself.
All went well. Obviously a bit more sluggish, but trimmed out and
stalled nicely. This load was 40 lbs more than Marci and I with a full
load of 20 gallons.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 1000 video |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Oscar,
Go to the Garmin site and download the smaller of the two manuals users maybe called
the cockpit manual, and read it three or more times.
Then go to any Cessna pilot center that has either a 172 or a 182 with the G1000,
and ask them if you can sit in the plane with the " red box" power supply.
If they think they might have a potential sale - hint, hint... They'll fall all
over themselves to teach you about the unit at no charge.
Or, better yet, join CAP, and take their two day G1000 course - free for volunteers
- as I did, and learn everything about it.
The main drawback is that there's WAAAAY too many buttons to push and the level
of complexity with the UI is difficult to master for the casual pilot.
Have fun!
--------
Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: Successful gross weight test |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
How much did you have to pay the poor rube to go up with you? ;o) He looks like
he's having wayyy too much fun!
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: What should I do to fix this?? |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Excellent advice Tools!
I have not put the outside skin on yet, so it is just connected to the front, 1/8"
top engine cavity gusset that lines the first couple of feet at the top of
the fuse at the nose. The actual compression fracture is facing the gusset (so
it is the side glued to the gusset) and I can NOT believe I didn't see it when
building. I know exactly where that fracture was on the board I cut, and I
remember planing down that board and working around the fracture so I got plenty
of good, useable pieces, so It surprised me somewhat to find the fracture,
but thar' it be, shiver me timbers...
SO, the good news is that with your suggestion of planing down the piece, and cutting
it out of the floor gussets (the really biggest issue with the repair is
them dang bottom gussets.... I made them oversized for some added beef in the
area...), I really will sleep better the night before the first flight...
Thanks for all the support!!
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 1000 video |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Tom: good hints, and better than you can imagine because here at the Medford airport,
the CAP hangar is immediately outside the gate to my rows of hangars.
They have a 172 but not a newer one. I'll inquire to see if they have the training
program.
If I go to the Cessna dealer (Jet Center, next door to the CAP hangar) and pretend
that I'm interested in a new Skyhawk so they'll let me play with the 1000
in it, they will just ask me, "hey, aren't you the guy we saw washing down the
fuselage of an old open cockpit fabric airplane the other day? Haw, haw! Does
that thing every fly? Haw, haw! What kind of nav instruments ya got in her...
a sextant and a pirate treasure map? Haw, haw! Whatcha want with a glass
panel? Haw, haw!"
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: wood reapir and varnishing |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Douwe.
Based on the look of Re-Piet, I'd say I should follow what ever advice you give
me!
I hope my bird looks as nice (in it's own rite, of course!).
I should go slow and enjoy the process. It is not a race, and when it's done, I
am not sure which plane I will build next, as for me, it is the building that
is the pleasure... Flying will be fun too, but building is a creative process
that I crave.
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: "RE-PIET's" first kinda decent videos |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
How Fun!!
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | my photos, videos and stories |
Hey all,
First off, thanks for the kudos! She's pretty but there are MANY out there
built by guy with MUCH better attention to detail.
Secondly, I just want to be clear that when I post stuff, I am absolutely
NOT fishing for compliments but solely to encourage people and to share fun
Piet stuff with everyone.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it!!
Douwe
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | answers to questions |
Two questions were asked which I didn't answer, sorry.
The stall speed at gross is still unknown because my airspeed is the Johnson
wind vane type which doesn't help much at stall speeds. We have to go up
and do it again on a still day with the gps to record things. When I say
stalled well, I simply meant she didn't exhibit any un-ladylike behaviors.
RAF type (can't remember the MK #) don't have safety glass (at least any
brands that I'm aware of), so YES, glass in the eyeballs after a facial
impact could be a risk.
Douwe
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Garmin 1000 video |
Oscar, I suggest you get the club to let you use their 172 with the more
basic panel and find an instructor who will give you the check ride in it
and forget about the 1000 (unless you are going to get one for the Piet!)
Or, better yet, find an old tail-dragger like a T-craft or Aeronca to use.
That would probably cost less and would more closely relate to your Piet. I
have an IP friend who owns a T-craft and when the time comes he is going to
bring me up to speed in his T-craft and give me the BFR. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Garmin 1000 video
>
> Tom: good hints, and better than you can imagine because here at the
> Medford airport, the CAP hangar is immediately outside the gate to my rows
> of hangars. They have a 172 but not a newer one. I'll inquire to see if
> they have the training program.
>
> If I go to the Cessna dealer (Jet Center, next door to the CAP hangar) and
> pretend that I'm interested in a new Skyhawk so they'll let me play with
> the 1000 in it, they will just ask me, "hey, aren't you the guy we saw
> washing down the fuselage of an old open cockpit fabric airplane the other
> day? Haw, haw! Does that thing every fly? Haw, haw! What kind of nav
> instruments ya got in her... a sextant and a pirate treasure map? Haw,
> haw! Whatcha want with a glass panel? Haw, haw!"
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399187#399187
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Control cables through fabric |
| From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Hello,
Yesterday I was measuring where the rudder and elevator cables pass through the
imaginary fabric sides on the fuselage. I install the elevator and the rudder
and connect the horns one by one to see where I have to make holes depending
on the positin of the plane, up, level, down, right, line left.. and I saw that
this point vary the positin depending on the palane position. So what do you
do? you make a simple hole in the middle of the line or you cut a line?. I am
thinking in a hole in the middle because the lateral forces of the wire cable
are minimal and reinforce the only hole with a leader patch. It is the way to
do that?.
regards.
mario
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Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Garmin 1000 video |
UNCLASSIFIED
Oscar, Ask the CFI if you can simply use the standby instruments, and not be tested
on the intricacies of something you will not use. Explain what you fly.
What happened to the old fashoned BFR given from the ground? They used to do checkrides
watching from the ground for solo seat aircraft.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 04/23/13, C N Campbell wrote:
>
> Oscar, I suggest you get the club to let you use their 172 with the more basic
panel and find an instructor who will give you the check ride in it and forget
about the 1000 (unless you are going to get one for the Piet!) Or, better yet,
find an old tail-dragger like a T-craft or Aeronca to use. That would probably
cost less and would more closely relate to your Piet. I have an IP friend
who owns a T-craft and when the time comes he is going to bring me up to speed
in his T-craft and give me the BFR. Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:25 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Garmin 1000 video
>
>
> >
> >Tom: good hints, and better than you can imagine because here at the Medford
airport, the CAP hangar is immediately outside the gate to my rows of hangars.
They have a 172 but not a newer one. I'll inquire to see if they have the training
program.
> >
> >If I go to the Cessna dealer (Jet Center, next door to the CAP hangar) and pretend
that I'm interested in a new Skyhawk so they'll let me play with the 1000
in it, they will just ask me, "hey, aren't you the guy we saw washing down
the fuselage of an old open cockpit fabric airplane the other day? Haw, haw! Does
that thing every fly? Haw, haw! What kind of nav instruments ya got in her...
a sextant and a pirate treasure map? Haw, haw! Whatcha want with a glass panel?
Haw, haw!"
> >
> >--------
> >Oscar Zuniga
> >Medford, OR
> >Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> >A75 power
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399187#399187
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: answers to questions |
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Douwe, after looking at the website it indicates that they are shatter resistant.
but not sure about safety glass.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 04/23/13, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Two questions were asked which I didn’t answer, sorry.
>
>
>
> The stall speed at gross is still unknown because my airspeed is the Johnson
wind vane type which doesn’t help much at stall speeds. We have to go up
and do it again on a still day with the gps to record things. When I say stalled
well, I simply meant she didn’t exhibit any un-ladylike behaviors…
>
>
>
> RAF type (can’t remember the MK #) don’t have safety glass (at least
any brands that I’m aware of), so YES, glass in the eyeballs after a
facial impact could be a risk.
>
>
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: answers to questions |
UNCLASSIFIED
Discussions by a buddy who is an aerodynamics instructor at a little maritime
school in Annapolis, MD is that you should make your GPS airspeed runs in the
same area, within a fairly short time period and at the same speed.
This includes stall checks. Run into the wind, then down wind. same altitude. 180
degrees. Do several of each. (same number for upwind and downwind) always enter
the maneuver the same way (Speed, height and such) for consistancy. You can
use the GPS to ensure that you are doing it in the same place and same heading.
Write it all down. if your mind it like mine, it will all get jumbled.
While you are at it, you can do takeoff stalls and approach to landing stalls.
Then some stalls while turning right and left. We all know that stall speed goes
up dramatically with bank angle but it is really an eye opener when you try
it in your plane.
Keep safely uppermost. Have lots of altitude and remember the test is secondary
to your safety.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 04/23/13, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Two questions were asked which I didn’t answer, sorry.
>
>
>
> The stall speed at gross is still unknown because my airspeed is the Johnson
wind vane type which doesn’t help much at stall speeds. We have to go up
and do it again on a still day with the gps to record things. When I say stalled
well, I simply meant she didn’t exhibit any un-ladylike behaviors…
>
>
>
> RAF type (can’t remember the MK #) don’t have safety glass (at least
any brands that I’m aware of), so YES, glass in the eyeballs after a
facial impact could be a risk.
>
>
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 1000 video |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
I think you guys missed it when Oscar said he wanted to learn the skill of glass
panels. I get that. I also like to improve my knowledge base when doing a
BFR. Heck, we're paying, so we may as well learn something. Besides, It is nice
to a least understand it if we need to fly a friends plane home for them and
the have glass.
Nuff of that. Good luck Oscar.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Garmin 1000 video |
All of my flight instruction to date has been almost exclusively in T-
craft or Aeroncas, none of which were equipped with no stinkin' GPS.
I figured I might as well get instruction that would lead directly to
a tailwheel endorsement & I don't plan on no stinkin' GPS in my Piet,
either.
Kip Gardner
On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB wrote:
> NGB"
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> Oscar, Ask the CFI if you can simply use the standby instruments,
> and not be tested on the intricacies of something you will not use.
> Explain what you fly.
>
> What happened to the old fashoned BFR given from the ground? They
> used to do checkrides watching from the ground for solo seat aircraft.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> On 04/23/13, C N Campbell wrote:
>> >
>>
>> Oscar, I suggest you get the club to let you use their 172 with the
>> more basic panel and find an instructor who will give you the check
>> ride in it and forget about the 1000 (unless you are going to get
>> one for the Piet!) Or, better yet, find an old tail-dragger like a
>> T-craft or Aeronca to use. That would probably cost less and would
>> more closely relate to your Piet. I have an IP friend who owns a T-
>> craft and when the time comes he is going to bring me up to speed
>> in his T-craft and give me the BFR. Chuck
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags"
>>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:25 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Garmin 1000 video
>>
>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> Tom: good hints, and better than you can imagine because here at
>>> the Medford airport, the CAP hangar is immediately outside the
>>> gate to my rows of hangars. They have a 172 but not a newer one.
>>> I'll inquire to see if they have the training program.
>>>
>>> If I go to the Cessna dealer (Jet Center, next door to the CAP
>>> hangar) and pretend that I'm interested in a new Skyhawk so
>>> they'll let me play with the 1000 in it, they will just ask me,
>>> "hey, aren't you the guy we saw washing down the fuselage of an
>>> old open cockpit fabric airplane the other day? Haw, haw! Does
>>> that thing every fly? Haw, haw! What kind of nav instruments ya
>>> got in her... a sextant and a pirate treasure map? Haw, haw!
>>> Whatcha want with a glass panel? Haw, haw!"
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Oscar Zuniga
>>> Medford, OR
>>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>>> A75 power
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399187#399187
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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> UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 1000 video |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks for all the posts and input. I do not take offense at any of the responses,
and truly do understand what is important here. My last BFR was taken in
a Taylorcraft and it was my first time at the controls of one. Steve knows the
airplane... it's Mark Julicher's airplane and we flew it out of Bulverde Airpark.
Wow. Compared to Scout, the T-Crate was like flying my living room sofa!
Roomy, comfy, quiet, and it seemed quite fast. My kind of BFR, and I learned
from that.
Now for the dark side. In my hangar is a fuselage, wings, and tail surfaces for
a Zodiac 601XL. It needs the spar upgrade and then it can be completed. I
plan to have -gasp!- a glass panel in it. As few knobs, dials, switches, or protrusions
will be in the panel as I can make happen. My co-builder and co-owner's
world is the Prowler and electronic warfare, so it will be a familiar world
for him but a foreign one for me. Not that I'm a Luddite or that I can't
understand instruments and electronics... just that I've never flown a glass panel
before, so it's time to learn.
The minimum required for a BFR is an hour of classroom and an hour in the air,
and I enjoy the challenge. It makes "staying current" mean something more than
having an old buddy slap me on the back and sign my logbook. I always want
to learn, I always want to recognize my weaknesses in the cockpit, and I always
want to improve my skills. I want to keep flying for as long as I can. Scout
can teach me a lot about flying, but nothing about regs and radios.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Control cables through fabric |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Mario; my airplane has some plastic fairings where the cables emerge from the fabric
at a small angle. They are Aircraft Spruce PN-05-05750 or Wicks CCF-1.
Also, you can look at the older Piper style reinforcement patches, like Aircraft
Spruce PN 05-07635, which have a slot cut in them. You can make these yourself,
using upholstery material or leather (piel). I made some from a discarded
black leather shoe, using pinking shears.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Robert Gow" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Garmin 1000 video |
One thing yo can get for free is the operating guide for many EFIS systems
like the Dynon. These are great study guide. Not sure about the Garmin
G1000 but an internet search or a trip to the Garmin website may be
useful.
In time you will recognize that most of the systems are very similar in
the philosophy and differ only in details. Any reading or studying of
these books will be helpful.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: April 23, 2013 4:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Garmin 1000 video
-->
Thanks for all the posts and input. I do not take offense at any of the
responses, and truly do understand what is important here. My last BFR
was taken in a Taylorcraft and it was my first time at the controls of
one. Steve knows the airplane... it's Mark Julicher's airplane and we
flew it out of Bulverde Airpark. Wow. Compared to Scout, the T-Crate was
like flying my living room sofa! Roomy, comfy, quiet, and it seemed quite
fast. My kind of BFR, and I learned from that.
Now for the dark side. In my hangar is a fuselage, wings, and tail
surfaces for a Zodiac 601XL. It needs the spar upgrade and then it can be
completed. I plan to have -gasp!- a glass panel in it. As few knobs,
dials, switches, or protrusions will be in the panel as I can make happen.
My co-builder and co-owner's world is the Prowler and electronic warfare,
so it will be a familiar world for him but a foreign one for me. Not that
I'm a Luddite or that I can't understand instruments and electronics...
just that I've never flown a glass panel before, so it's time to learn.
The minimum required for a BFR is an hour of classroom and an hour in the
air, and I enjoy the challenge. It makes "staying current" mean something
more than having an old buddy slap me on the back and sign my logbook. I
always want to learn, I always want to recognize my weaknesses in the
cockpit, and I always want to improve my skills. I want to keep flying
for as long as I can. Scout can teach me a lot about flying, but nothing
about regs and radios.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Model A water prob |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Hey Guys.... I'm still fighting this water overflow problem on the ford A... I'm
starting to wonder if the problem is the angle of the engine on the ground..
?
I ran today.. at full power after a couple of minutes i believe.. I started getting
water overflowing again.
Its killing me.. I want to fly but not if there's a problem..
I added a "steam pipe " to the front of the head... slowed down the pump a bit
and still after a bit of a run at full power... water out of the overflow. and
at temps below 180. I'm wondering if i'm getting a steam pocket in the head.
Do i need to raise the tail to do a long full power run ??
Am i creating my own problem ?
i see why the air cooled engines win out sometimes... i love the A.. runs great....
but this is baffling me
jeff
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Model A water prob |
jeff, try a fast taxi with the tail up when it's overflowing like that with
the tail down. Maybe that would show you if it's just a ground angle thing.
If it quits overflowing with the tail up you got it made. Too much water in
the system? I don't know anything about water-cooled engines -- I'm an
air-cooled fan. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 5:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A water prob
>
>
> Hey Guys.... I'm still fighting this water overflow problem on the ford
> A... I'm starting to wonder if the problem is the angle of the engine on
> the ground.. ?
> I ran today.. at full power after a couple of minutes i believe.. I
> started getting water overflowing again.
> Its killing me.. I want to fly but not if there's a problem..
> I added a "steam pipe " to the front of the head... slowed down the pump a
> bit and still after a bit of a run at full power... water out of the
> overflow. and at temps below 180. I'm wondering if i'm getting a steam
> pocket in the head. Do i need to raise the tail to do a long full power
> run ??
> Am i creating my own problem ?
>
> i see why the air cooled engines win out sometimes... i love the A.. runs
> great.... but this is baffling me
>
> jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399251#399251
>
>
>
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| From: | "l.morlock" <l.morlock(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Model A water prob |
Jeff, this happens a lot on Model A cars, as you probably know, and is
usually due to the radiator being plugged with rust, etc, to the point it
can't flow all the water being pumped to it. Hope this isn't the case with
your radiator, but maybe something to check.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 5:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A water prob
>
>
> Hey Guys.... I'm still fighting this water overflow problem on the ford
> A... I'm starting to wonder if the problem is the angle of the engine on
> the ground.. ?
> I ran today.. at full power after a couple of minutes i believe.. I
> started getting water overflowing again.
> Its killing me.. I want to fly but not if there's a problem..
> I added a "steam pipe " to the front of the head... slowed down the pump a
> bit and still after a bit of a run at full power... water out of the
> overflow. and at temps below 180. I'm wondering if i'm getting a steam
> pocket in the head. Do i need to raise the tail to do a long full power
> run ??
> Am i creating my own problem ?
>
> i see why the air cooled engines win out sometimes... i love the A.. runs
> great.... but this is baffling me
>
> jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399251#399251
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Model A water prob |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
It's a new radiator. ..I had it made. . Aluminum two row core.
It's narrower than the Lovely radiator many have. .. 20" by 8" ..
& I think forest built his 10 or 12 by 20... but I've been told aluminum is 30%
More efficient. .I really think I'm getting a steam pocket. .
The radiator keeps its cool till it overflows then it gets warm. .. not hot then
overflow.
Overflow then hot. ..I could put the tail on a stand and run but a taxi at full
power long enough to overflow would result in a lot of altitude
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: answers to questions |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Douwe,
Here is a good article about airspeed calibration techniques, similar to what Steve
said. Did not whether or not you had seen this before-
http://experimenter.epubxp.com/i/90184
The artucle is on Page 50.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Model A water prob |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
I have not done a compression check but good idea. ...I thought about the head
gasket. . Got fed up a few weeks ago and pulled the head. .looked ok. Replaced
the head gasket.
The head and block looked good. .
Maybe a compression check tomorrow
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 1000 video |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Oscar,
It is all about the scan - knowing not what you are looking at (you know what airspeed,
altitude and VSI look like), but where it is located on the screen, what
you are looking for (am I looking for a round gauge or a tape?). And in my
experience, most glass cockpits have speed tapes and altitude tapes, not round
gauge presentation of either. The engine instruments generally remain round
to simulate old-style round dials. You are on the right track to get the manual
and possibly an online tutorial (I know the CAP had it, so maybe a CAP pilot
friend can hook you up), and just get your scan where it needs to be.
It is not as overwhelming as you might think. You just want to do the homework
before you get in the airplane. It makes it much more enjoyable not to feel WAAAY
behind the instrumentation.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: answers to questions |
UNCLASSIFIED
Douwe, Perhaps even more important than knowing where your stall speed is, is knowing
what it feels like just before the stall.
IE on my Cessna 150 everything got very mushy before a stall. On my Vtail it gives
a vigorous shake several mph before the stall. That mush or shake could wake
you up when you are in the wrong airspeed corner.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 04/23/13, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
>
> Douwe,
>
> Here is a good article about airspeed calibration techniques, similar to what
Steve said. Did not whether or not you had seen this before-
>
> http://experimenter.epubxp.com/i/90184
>
> The artucle is on Page 50.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399260#399260
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Garmin 1000 video |
UNCLASSIFIED
Oscar, If I could legally put it in my plane, I would put a trutrack system in.
just a great and affordable system. flexible. and state of the art. Even more
so than all the certified stuff.
for $10,000 at trutrack you can do what takes $80,000+ at GArmin.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 04/23/13, taildrags wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the posts and input. I do not take offense at any of the responses,
and truly do understand what is important here. My last BFR was taken in
a Taylorcraft and it was my first time at the controls of one. Steve knows the
airplane... it's Mark Julicher's airplane and we flew it out of Bulverde Airpark.
Wow. Compared to Scout, the T-Crate was like flying my living room sofa!
Roomy, comfy, quiet, and it seemed quite fast. My kind of BFR, and I learned
from that.
>
> Now for the dark side. In my hangar is a fuselage, wings, and tail surfaces for
a Zodiac 601XL. It needs the spar upgrade and then it can be completed. I plan
to have -gasp!- a glass panel in it. As few knobs, dials, switches, or protrusions
will be in the panel as I can make happen. My co-builder and co-owner's
world is the Prowler and electronic warfare, so it will be a familiar world
for him but a foreign one for me. Not that I'm a Luddite or that I can't understand
instruments and electronics... just that I've never flown a glass panel
before, so it's time to learn.
>
> The minimum required for a BFR is an hour of classroom and an hour in the air,
and I enjoy the challenge. It makes "staying current" mean something more than
having an old buddy slap me on the back and sign my logbook. I always want
to learn, I always want to recognize my weaknesses in the cockpit, and I always
want to improve my skills. I want to keep flying for as long as I can. Scout
can teach me a lot about flying, but nothing about regs and radios.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399237#399237
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
UNCLASSIFIED
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Garmin 1000 video |
UNCLASSIFIED
Another thot on brushing up on the G1000 is to get a Microsoft Flight Sim program.
My old flight sim X has the G1000.
Steam gauges forever!
Steve D
On 04/23/13, taildrags wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the posts and input. I do not take offense at any of the responses,
and truly do understand what is important here. My last BFR was taken in
a Taylorcraft and it was my first time at the controls of one. Steve knows the
airplane... it's Mark Julicher's airplane and we flew it out of Bulverde Airpark.
Wow. Compared to Scout, the T-Crate was like flying my living room sofa!
Roomy, comfy, quiet, and it seemed quite fast. My kind of BFR, and I learned
from that.
>
> Now for the dark side. In my hangar is a fuselage, wings, and tail surfaces for
a Zodiac 601XL. It needs the spar upgrade and then it can be completed. I plan
to have -gasp!- a glass panel in it. As few knobs, dials, switches, or protrusions
will be in the panel as I can make happen. My co-builder and co-owner's
world is the Prowler and electronic warfare, so it will be a familiar world
for him but a foreign one for me. Not that I'm a Luddite or that I can't understand
instruments and electronics... just that I've never flown a glass panel
before, so it's time to learn.
>
> The minimum required for a BFR is an hour of classroom and an hour in the air,
and I enjoy the challenge. It makes "staying current" mean something more than
having an old buddy slap me on the back and sign my logbook. I always want
to learn, I always want to recognize my weaknesses in the cockpit, and I always
want to improve my skills. I want to keep flying for as long as I can. Scout
can teach me a lot about flying, but nothing about regs and radios.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399237#399237
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
UNCLASSIFIED
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| From: | "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Model A water prob |
You might give Ken Perkins a call. He has a lot of model A experience. Phone
is: 913 764-6949
-----Original Message-----
From: bender
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A water prob
Hey Guys.... I'm still fighting this water overflow problem on the ford A...
I'm starting to wonder if the problem is the angle of the engine on the
ground.. ?
I ran today.. at full power after a couple of minutes i believe.. I started
getting water overflowing again.
Its killing me.. I want to fly but not if there's a problem..
I added a "steam pipe " to the front of the head... slowed down the pump a
bit and still after a bit of a run at full power... water out of the
overflow. and at temps below 180. I'm wondering if i'm getting a steam
pocket in the head. Do i need to raise the tail to do a long full power run
??
Am i creating my own problem ?
i see why the air cooled engines win out sometimes... i love the A.. runs
great.... but this is baffling me
jeff
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Here's one of ours from Nav Canada.
"standard" or "plain english" Take your pick
Try it
http://www.flightplanning.navcanada.ca/cgi-bin/CreePage.pl?Langue=anglais&NoSession=NS_Inconnu&Page=Fore-obs%2Fmetar-taf-map&TypeDoc=html
Input CYVR for the nearest to Meself.
Clif
> UNCLASSIFIED
> LIB som1 lse hs t sam prllem ah hv wi the shrt hnd ov wx brfs. Ah h8 rdg
> te *&^%$#$(^$ tings. How archaic.
>
> SKC
> STV D
One of the most arcane things about flight preparation and execution is
deciphering the @#$%& weather forecasts and printouts. It's all in
abbreviated, truncated English or it invokes strange symbols and
abbreviations representing each type of weather phenomenon. >> Oscar Zuniga
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| Subject: | Re: Model A water prob |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Jeff, obvious but...is the plumping hooked up correctly?
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Apr 23, 2013, at 4:49 PM, "bender" wrote:
>
> Hey Guys.... I'm still fighting this water overflow problem on the ford A...
I'm starting to wonder if the problem is the angle of the engine on the ground..
?
> I ran today.. at full power after a couple of minutes i believe.. I started getting
water overflowing again.
> Its killing me.. I want to fly but not if there's a problem..
> I added a "steam pipe " to the front of the head... slowed down the pump a bit
and still after a bit of a run at full power... water out of the overflow. and
at temps below 180. I'm wondering if i'm getting a steam pocket in the head.
Do i need to raise the tail to do a long full power run ??
> Am i creating my own problem ?
>
> i see why the air cooled engines win out sometimes... i love the A.. runs great....
but this is baffling me
>
> jeff
>
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| Subject: | Re: Model A water prob |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jeff,
Mine did the same thing, but seems to be less of a problem lately. When the
water level finds the zone it stops. I flew all those rides last year at B
rodhead with no problems. I only recall adding a water bottle full of water
the whole weekend. Go fly and see how it goes.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:12 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model A water prob
>
It's a new radiator. ..I had it made. . Aluminum two row core.
It's narrower than the Lovely radiator many have. .. 20" by 8" ..
& I think forest built his 10 or 12 by 20... but I've been told aluminum is
30%
More efficient. .I really think I'm getting a steam pocket. .
The radiator keeps its cool till it overflows then it gets warm. .. not hot
then
overflow.
Overflow then hot. ..I could put the tail on a stand and run but a taxi at
full
power long enough to overflow would result in a lot of altitude
Jeff
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| From: | Gardiner <airlion2(at)gmail.com> |
for, those of you that have a flop on the center section, do you still
get air coming down the back of your neck? I have the C/S cut out and
the down draft is quite strong and am considering putting a removable
section for flight. cheers gardiner.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | another option for Oscar |
Oscar,
Here's another option. Fly an airplane similar to what you normally fly fo
r flight review. (unless you really
want to learn and fly the glass panel 152 of course) I routinely take my f
light review in a nearby J-3 that
an FBO gives dual instruction in because that plane is closest in flying ch
aracteristics as the plane I do
most of my flying in.
39 minutes from you in Grants Pass Oregon you can take your flight review i
n this Ercoupe and you won't have
to worry about getting a Garmin 1000 manual.
http://www.captaindrakesfaa.com/page_packages.php
[cid:image001.png(at)01CE40CD.AE06AEF0]
The owner even has a wonderful lodge that you can take your wife to for a b
eautiful overnighter and still be home to feed
the dog in the morning.
Captain Drakes Family Aerial Adventures
Illinois Valley Airport (3S4)
424 Airport Drive
Cave Junction, Oregon 97523
Phone:541-415-0600
Email: Captaindrakesfaa(at)gmail.com
[cid:image002.png(at)01CE40CD.AE06AEF0]
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| From: | Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Ruddder Horn Repair |
The Rudder Horn on 6186L broke.- =0AWe removed it from the aircraft and m
ade a repair... just in time for flying season.=0A=0AHere are some pictures
.=0Ahttp://http://tinyurl.com/aqe27h3=0A=0AAndy Abreu =0AKTDZ=0A
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Gardiner;
Scout has a hinged flop. In cold weather I find myself leaning forward a bit,
but that's so that I can get behind the windscreen a little closer. I do not
get wind down my back from the flop.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
I've seen several Piets and they do NOT have shoulder harnesses - just seat belts.
Does anyone use a 4-point harness in the back seat or is it tradition to
use only a lap belt?
If you do use a harness, and if you had to install it after the Piet was built
- would share how you did it?
Mr. Sam has only a lap belt. I would like to add a four point harness - but since
the seat back is built-in to the frame - there will have to be some serious
wood cutting to install the shoulder harness.
Thoughts and suggestions are welcome.
--------
Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
Jim:
While doing conditional, got a peek through inspection hole at how shoulder
half is attached. Mine come thru slits in fabric behind the seat. I will
pop in to CJR soon.
Zeke GN-1 C-85-12 "Rosie"
On Apr 24, 2013 2:02 PM, "Fun2av8" wrote:
>
> I've seen several Piets and they do NOT have shoulder harnesses - just
> seat belts. Does anyone use a 4-point harness in the back seat or is it
> tradition to use only a lap belt?
>
> If you do use a harness, and if you had to install it after the Piet was
> built - would share how you did it?
>
> Mr. Sam has only a lap belt. I would like to add a four point harness -
> but since the seat back is built-in to the frame - there will have to be
> some serious wood cutting to install the shoulder harness.
>
> Thoughts and suggestions are welcome.
>
> --------
> Jim McWhorter
> N687MB (New Owner)
> Culpeper, VA KCJR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399290#399290
>
>
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| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
Just wondering what everyone is using for axle thickness for straight gear piets?
Mine is 1-1/2" x .120 wall chromolly and I can see it flexing just sitting
there.....i know somebody on here broke an axle and increased it to 3/16 wall......
--------
NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ruddder Horn Repair |
Andy, I am going to try to get our Piet annual cond insp. done this week.
- We will have to try to meet up for breakfast or lunch sometime this spr
ing/ summer.
-
Shad Bell
NX92GB
--- On Wed, 4/24/13, Andre Abreu wrote:
From: Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ruddder Horn Repair
Date: Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 1:22 PM
The Rudder Horn on 6186L broke.-
We removed it from the aircraft and made a repair... just in time for flyin
g season.
Here are some pictures.
http://http://tinyurl.com/aqe27h3
Andy Abreu
KTDZ
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| Subject: | Re: Ruddder Horn Repair |
| From: | "aabreu" <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com> |
Shad,
Cool... come out for a pancake breakfast or something!
Andy Abreu
KTDZ
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
Hi Zeke,
Thanks ... Let me know when you are coming and I will be sure to be at Culpeper.
Its only 10 minutes from the house.
--------
Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| From: | Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
That is interesting=2C I have the same size and it has a very noticable bow
to it. Craig
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Axle thickness?
> From: rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com
> Date: Wed=2C 24 Apr 2013 11:54:58 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
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om>
>
> Just wondering what everyone is using for axle thickness for straight gea
r piets? Mine is 1-1/2" x .120 wall chromolly and I can see it flexing just
sitting there.....i know somebody on here broke an axle and increased it t
o 3/16 wall......
>
> --------
> NX321LR
> Fully Assembled
> Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
> Wings covered and primed=2C one painted
> Mitsubishi Powered
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Model A water prob |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Ok. . After staring at my engine this morning it came to me. . The elbow in the
top hose from the engine to the radiator was actually higher than the radiator
with the tail on the ground. . So i made a new fitting. .I ran the engine full
power on the ground. .. raised the tail with forward stick and no overflow.
. Back on the ground it overflows. .I think it's a steam pocket from the lack
of flow to the front of the head. My steam pipe is only a 3/8 tube. . I'm thinking
it may need to be larger. .
But the run with the tail up slightly showed that it would probably be ok in flight
Jeff
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
That would be me. My original axle was 1-1/2" OD, .120 wall. My new axle
is 1-1/2" OD, .188 wall, heat treated after welding to 160,000 psi ultimate
strength.
The thin wall axle is ok if you don't have brakes and the wheels are very
close to the V-blocks of the undercarriage. The problem comes when brakes
require moving the wheels further outboard, which dramatically increases the
moment applied to the axle. Add a stress riser, such as a guide pin to
prevent axle rotation, and you can find yourself in the same situation I
did.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 2:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Axle thickness?
Just wondering what everyone is using for axle thickness for straight gear
piets? Mine is 1-1/2" x .120 wall chromolly and I can see it flexing just
sitting there.....i know somebody on here broke an axle and increased it to
3/16 wall......
--------
NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
Jim
I wasnt going to share this with anyone but I have already showed this
pic to a few guys from my EAA chapter so here it is. The point here is
I had landed and was fast taxiing down the runway and something happend
and I ran off the side of the runway into a snow bank. My point is my
four point harness held me just fine, I would have been injured with a
simple 2 point belt
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcus Zechini
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
Jim:
While doing conditional, got a peek through inspection hole at how
shoulder half is attached. Mine come thru slits in fabric behind the
seat. I will pop in to CJR soon.
Zeke GN-1 C-85-12 "Rosie"
On Apr 24, 2013 2:02 PM, "Fun2av8" wrote:
I've seen several Piets and they do NOT have shoulder harnesses -
just seat belts. Does anyone use a 4-point harness in the back seat or
is it tradition to use only a lap belt?
If you do use a harness, and if you had to install it after the Piet
was built - would share how you did it?
Mr. Sam has only a lap belt. I would like to add a four point
harness - but since the seat back is built-in to the frame - there will
have to be some serious wood cutting to install the shoulder harness.
Thoughts and suggestions are welcome.
--------
Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| Subject: | Re: Axle thickness? |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
Hi Jack,
Where did your axle fail? At the anti rotation add on?
jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote:
> That would be me. My original axle was 1-1/2" OD, .120 wall. My new axle
> is 1-1/2" OD, .188 wall, heat treated after welding to 160,000 psi ultimate
> strength.
>
> The thin wall axle is ok if you don't have brakes and the wheels are very
> close to the V-blocks of the undercarriage. The problem comes when brakes
> require moving the wheels further outboard, which dramatically increases the
> moment applied to the axle. Add a stress riser, such as a guide pin to
> prevent axle rotation, and you can find yourself in the same situation I
> did.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> --
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Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Anyone near Beaumont TX? |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
MIGHT be looking at moving to Beaumont... Anyone near there?
Mark
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Axle thickness? |
Yes. I had oxy-acetylene welded the pin into the axle, and probably had a
small crack there which caused enough of a stress concentration to weaken
the axle. But after it broke and I (belatedly) ran a stress analysis on the
design I was surprised to see how highly loaded that configurtion is and
concluded that it was a very marginal design.
On my new axle I had a professional welder TIG weld the pins, then sent the
whole assembly to Rex Heat Treating in Pennsylvania to be heat treated to
160,000 psi (normalized 4130 is good for 90,000 psi). Of course heat
treating does not increase stiffness, so it still has a slight bow but not
apparent to the eye (as Jerry Dotson said, you can see the bow with a
straightedge). The bow is significatnly less than it was with the .120"
wall.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Axle thickness?
Hi Jack,
Where did your axle fail? At the anti rotation add on?
jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote:
> That would be me. My original axle was 1-1/2" OD, .120 wall. My new axle
> is 1-1/2" OD, .188 wall, heat treated after welding to 160,000 psi
ultimate
> strength.
>
> The thin wall axle is ok if you don't have brakes and the wheels are very
> close to the V-blocks of the undercarriage. The problem comes when brakes
> require moving the wheels further outboard, which dramatically increases
the
> moment applied to the axle. Add a stress riser, such as a guide pin to
> prevent axle rotation, and you can find yourself in the same situation I
> did.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> --
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Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone near Beaumont TX? |
Mark,
I'm at Prairie Aire (4TA0) in Needville, TX. That's about 2.5 hours drive-time
from Beaumont. Hans Vandervoort is near Waller TX at Skydive Airport, 37XA,
that's about the same distance. You can travel a few hours further west and see
Kevin Purtee near San Marcos, TX.
If you're moving to Beaumont then you must be in the oil/refinery industry?
John Franklin
-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
>MIGHT be looking at moving to Beaumont... Anyone near there?
>
>Mark
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | DandD Boyd <dndboyd2(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Jim,
I've got shoulder straps (4-point) in mine. The straps are bolted to to
longeron/verticals, reinforced, behind the rear seat and the belts come
thru the seat back. Had one occassion to be glad they were there. Worked
great.
Dave
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Dick N wrote:
> **
> Jim
> I wasnt going to share this with anyone but I have already showed this pic
> to a few guys from my EAA chapter so here it is. The point here is I had
> landed and was fast taxiing down the runway and something happend and I ran
> off the side of the runway into a snow bank. My point is my four point
> harness held me just fine, I would have been injured with a simple 2 point
> belt
> Dick N.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Marcus Zechini
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:07 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
>
> Jim:
> While doing conditional, got a peek through inspection hole at how
> shoulder half is attached. Mine come thru slits in fabric behind the seat.
> I will pop in to CJR soon.
> Zeke GN-1 C-85-12 "Rosie"
> On Apr 24, 2013 2:02 PM, "Fun2av8" wrote:
>
>>
>> I've seen several Piets and they do NOT have shoulder harnesses - just
>> seat belts. Does anyone use a 4-point harness in the back seat or is it
>> tradition to use only a lap belt?
>>
>> If you do use a harness, and if you had to install it after the Piet was
>> built - would share how you did it?
>>
>> Mr. Sam has only a lap belt. I would like to add a four point harness -
>> but since the seat back is built-in to the frame - there will have to be
>> some serious wood cutting to install the shoulder harness.
>>
>> Thoughts and suggestions are welcome.
>>
>> --------
>> Jim McWhorter
>> N687MB (New Owner)
>> Culpeper, VA KCJR
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399290#399290
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | YouTube 1 hour Garmin 1000 Tutorial here--- |
Oscar,
This video was posted by a very capable flight instructor and even a steam
gauge guy like me was able to pickup
quite a few things in just a few minutes from this gent. He fails to menti
on if he flew in the military or not though.
Mike C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0y6p0ct1m0
Dick Rochfort
Dick Rochfort is a full-time Master Certified Flight Instructor providing t
ype-specific, insurance-approved initial, recurrent and instructor standard
ization training, buyer consulting, aircraft relocation and expert witness
services to Piper PA46 (Matrix, Malibu, Mirage, and Meridian) owners, pilot
s and instructors worldwide.
He holds ATP and Gold Seal Flight Instructor Certificates with CFII, MEI, a
nd CE-525S ratings. He has been actively involved in flight training as an
instructor since 1991.
Dick is an Aviation Safety Counselor for the FAA Baltimore Flight Standards
District Office, a National Industry Member of the FAA Safety Team (FAAST)
and a member of the FAA Wings Industry Advisory Committee. His training pr
ogram is FITS (FAA Industry Training Standards) approved and FAA Wings appr
oved and fully insured. He has held the National Association of Flight Inst
ructors (NAFI) Master CFI designation for over 10 years.
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey Dick!
REALLY sorry to see that, trust me, I know! Anyway, kinda ironic, I was going
to make a post and have him ask YOU how you did your upper belt restraints (imagine
they're the same in 2RN and 25RN?) with the cables back to the tailpost,
as it seems like an easy retrofit and, as I can also attest, work really well.
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| From: | Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Axle thickness? |
I need to replace my old axel as I proceed to rebuild the wood gear=2C So I
should at Least buy the heavier wall axel? I do not have the money to heat
treat etc. so I will just go heavy. How much more weight is the thicker wa
ll? Craig
> From: jack(at)bedfordlandings.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Axle thickness?
> Date: Thu=2C 25 Apr 2013 06:20:53 -0400
>
gs.com>
>
> Yes. I had oxy-acetylene welded the pin into the axle=2C and probably ha
d a
> small crack there which caused enough of a stress concentration to weaken
> the axle. But after it broke and I (belatedly) ran a stress analysis on
the
> design I was surprised to see how highly loaded that configurtion is and
> concluded that it was a very marginal design.
>
> On my new axle I had a professional welder TIG weld the pins=2C then sent
the
> whole assembly to Rex Heat Treating in Pennsylvania to be heat treated to
> 160=2C000 psi (normalized 4130 is good for 90=2C000 psi). Of course heat
> treating does not increase stiffness=2C so it still has a slight bow but
not
> apparent to the eye (as Jerry Dotson said=2C you can see the bow with a
> straightedge). The bow is significatnly less than it was with the .120"
> wall.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake=2C Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rus
ch
> Sent: Wednesday=2C April 24=2C 2013 11:27 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Axle thickness?
>
om>
>
> Hi Jack=2C
>
> Where did your axle fail? At the anti rotation add on?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote:
> > That would be me. My original axle was 1-1/2" OD=2C .120 wall. My new
axle
> > is 1-1/2" OD=2C .188 wall=2C heat treated after welding to 160=2C000 ps
i
> ultimate
> > strength.
> >
> > The thin wall axle is ok if you don't have brakes and the wheels are ve
ry
> > close to the V-blocks of the undercarriage. The problem comes when bra
kes
> > require moving the wheels further outboard=2C which dramatically increa
ses
> the
> > moment applied to the axle. Add a stress riser=2C such as a guide pin
to
> > prevent axle rotation=2C and you can find yourself in the same situatio
n I
> > did.
> >
> > Jack Phillips
> > NX899JP
> > Smith Mountain Lake=2C Virginia
> >
> > --
>
>
> --------
> NX321LR
> Fully Assembled
> Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
> Wings covered and primed=2C one painted
> Mitsubishi Powered
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399329#399329
>
>
>
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | From: jorge lizarraga |
http://www.saba50.org/firstp.php
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
.....
jorge lizarraga
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| Subject: | Re: Axle thickness? |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey Craig,
Something to consider if you don't want to heat treat, is buying a tube already
in the state you want and then use a method that doesn't require welding on the
tube.
2RN has a 3/16 wall tube, but it has 1" solid inserts that go through the 1" ID
bearings in the wheels (not sure of your setup). I imagine the 1" inserts (which
have a 1/16 wall sleeve to make up the difference between 1 1/2OD, 1 1/8ID
- 3/16 wall) do strengthen things up a bit more. Also has a free floating plate
with the brake calipers. Anti rotation is via short cables so no welding
is required.
It's been stressed enough to severely bend up a wheel with no ill effects on the
axle, so it's a proven system.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399359#399359
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| From: | Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Axle thickness? |
I will have to look at that setup. My wire wheel hubs are designed to slip
on to the 1.5" axel.
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Axle thickness?
> From: n0kkj(at)yahoo.com
> Date: Thu=2C 25 Apr 2013 07:48:13 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Hey Craig=2C
>
> Something to consider if you don't want to heat treat=2C is buying a tube
already in the state you want and then use a method that doesn't require w
elding on the tube.
>
> 2RN has a 3/16 wall tube=2C but it has 1" solid inserts that go through t
he 1" ID bearings in the wheels (not sure of your setup). I imagine the 1"
inserts (which have a 1/16 wall sleeve to make up the difference between 1
1/2OD=2C 1 1/8ID - 3/16 wall) do strengthen things up a bit more. Also ha
s a free floating plate with the brake calipers. Anti rotation is via shor
t cables so no welding is required.
>
> It's been stressed enough to severely bend up a wheel with no ill effects
on the axle=2C so it's a proven system.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399359#399359
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Axle thickness? |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Well, there's no reason the setup couldn't be the same, except the free floating
caliper holder would be over the 1 1/2" axle.
IF you wanted the extra strength (but I really think you wouldn't) you could still
slip in a short solid stub.
I'll be in GA (where my plane is) in a week or so. If you want, I'll get some
good close up pics of the setup. Just let me know.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399366#399366
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
HI Dick,
Sorry to see your Piet nose up in the snow bank. Hope the damage was minimal; probably
the prop though.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Ruddder Horn Repair |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Andy the link said page not found
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Apr 24, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Andre Abreu wrote
:
> The Rudder Horn on 6186L broke.
> We removed it from the aircraft and made a repair... just in time for flyi
ng season.
>
> Here are some pictures.
> http://http://tinyurl.com/aqe27h3
>
> Andy Abreu
> KTDZ
>
>
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| From: | gcardinal(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Axle thickness? |
1 1/2 X .120 = 1.770 lbs. per foot.
1 1/2 X .188 = 2.636 lbs. per foot.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Aho" <soar561(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:12:57 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Axle thickness?
I need to=C2-replace=C2-my old axel as I proceed to rebuild the wood=C2
-gear, So I should at Least buy the heavier wall axel? I do not have the
money to heat treat etc. so I will just go heavy. How much more weight is t
he thicker wall?
=C2-
Craig
=C2-
> From: jack(at)bedfordlandings.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Axle thickness?
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 06:20:53 -0400
>
gs.com>
>
> Yes. I had oxy-acetylene welded the pin into the axle, and probably had a
> small crack there which caused enough of a stress concentration to weaken
> the axle. But after it broke and I (belatedly) ran a stress analysis on t
he
> design I was surprised to see how highly loaded that configurtion is and
> concluded that it was a very marginal design.
>
> On my new axle I had a professional welder TIG weld the pins, then sent t
he
> whole assembly to Rex Heat Treating in Pennsylvania to be heat treated to
> 160,000 psi (normalized 4130 is good for 90,000 psi). Of course heat
> treating does not increase stiffness, so it still has a slight bow but no
t
> apparent to the eye (as Jerry Dotson said, you can see the bow with a
> straightedge). The bow is significatnly less than it was with the .120"
> wall.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rus
ch
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:27 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Axle thickness?
>
om>
>
> Hi Jack,
>
> Where did your axle fail? At the anti rotation add on?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote:
> > That would be me. My original axle was 1-1/2" OD, .120 wall. My new axl
e
> > is 1-1/2" OD, .188 wall, heat treated after welding to 160,000 psi
> ultimate
> > strength.
> >
> > The thin wall axle is ok if you don't have brakes and the wheels are ve
ry
> > close to the V-blocks of the undercarriage. The problem comes when brak
es
> > require moving the wheels further outboard, which dramatically increase
s
> the
> > moment applied to the axle. Add a stress riser, such as a guide pin to
> > prevent axle rotation, and you can find yourself in the same situation
I
> > did.
> >
> > Jack Phillips
> > NX899JP
> > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
> >
> > --
>
>
> --------
> NX321LR
> Fully Assembled
> Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
> Wings covered and primed, one painted
> Mitsubishi Powered
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399329#399329
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Axle thickness? |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
Almost a 5 lb weight penalty...
[quote="gcardinal(at)comcast.net"]1 1/2 X .120 = 1.770 lbs. per foot.
1 1/2 X .188 = 2.636 lbs. per foot.
Greg Cardinal
From: "Craig Aho"
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:12:57 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Axle thickness?
I need to replace my old axel as I proceed to rebuild the wood gear, So I should
at Least buy the heavier wall axel? I do not have the money to heat treat
etc. so I will just go heavy. How much more weight is the thicker wall?
Craig
> From: jack(at)bedfordlandings.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Re: Axle thickness?
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 06:20:53 -0400
>
>
> Yes. I had oxy-acetylene welded the pin into the axle, and probably had a
> small crack there which caused enough of a stress concentration to weaken
> the axle. But after it broke and I (belatedly) ran a stress analysis on the
> design I was surprised to see how highly loaded that configurtion is and
> concluded that it was a very marginal design.
>
> On my new axle I had a professional welder TIG weld the pins, then sent the
> whole assembly to Rex Heat Treating in Pennsylvania to be heat treated to
> 160,000 psi (normalized 4130 is good for 90,000 psi). Of course heat
> treating does not increase stiffness, so it still has a slight bow but not
> apparent to the eye (as Jerry Dotson said, you can see the bow with a
> straightedge). The bow is significatnly less than it was with the .120"
> wall.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> --
--------
NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399381#399381
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | thick axel weight |
Chris,
Thank you for doing the thick axel weight calculation.
Even with my thick-walled axel my empty weight came out to 632 lbs. so you can
still build a decent weight
Piet with that and a 3-piece wing like I have.
I've had quite a few hard landings over the years and I'm pleased that the axel
has stood my tests these past
couple hundred hours.
One item I'd like to add is that I believe it to be important to keep the X brace
cables under the belly of the Jenny
type gear very tight. I had some slight loosening of those cables a few years
ago and didn't catch it on my preflights
like I should have so the gear was flexing just a touch over time and in time it
broke the bent tabs on one end of one
of my spreader bars. I replaced both spreader bars w/ new.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Axle thickness? |
Thank you tools=2C I would appreciate seeing your setup as I am having a bi
t of trouble visualizing. Thanks to all on this subject matter the discussi
on is helping me. I am currently working on the landing gear so it is total
ly pertinent. Craig
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Axle thickness?
> From: n0kkj(at)yahoo.com
> Date: Thu=2C 25 Apr 2013 09:07:30 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Well=2C there's no reason the setup couldn't be the same=2C except the fr
ee floating caliper holder would be over the 1 1/2" axle.
>
> IF you wanted the extra strength (but I really think you wouldn't) you co
uld still slip in a short solid stub.
>
> I'll be in GA (where my plane is) in a week or so. If you want=2C I'll g
et some good close up pics of the setup. Just let me know.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399366#399366
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Axle thickness? |
When I rebuilt my Pietenpol after the accident, it gained 5.5 lbs. In
addition to the axle weight added, I added some weight in the tail
rebuilding the broken lower right longeron, but I saved some weight by
changing from a leaf spring tailwheel to the BHP swinging A-Arm type. My
axle is 7 feet long, so I added 6.06 lbs to the axle.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Axle thickness?
Almost a 5 lb weight penalty...
[quote="gcardinal(at)comcast.net"]1 1/2 X .120 = 1.770 lbs. per foot.
1 1/2 X .188 = 2.636 lbs. per foot.
Greg Cardinal
From: "Craig Aho"
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:12:57 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Axle thickness?
I need to replace my old axel as I proceed to rebuild the wood gear, So I
should at Least buy the heavier wall axel? I do not have the money to heat
treat etc. so I will just go heavy. How much more weight is the thicker
wall?
Craig
> From: jack(at)bedfordlandings.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Re: Axle thickness?
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 06:20:53 -0400
>
>
> Yes. I had oxy-acetylene welded the pin into the axle, and probably had a
> small crack there which caused enough of a stress concentration to weaken
> the axle. But after it broke and I (belatedly) ran a stress analysis on
the
> design I was surprised to see how highly loaded that configurtion is and
> concluded that it was a very marginal design.
>
> On my new axle I had a professional welder TIG weld the pins, then sent
the
> whole assembly to Rex Heat Treating in Pennsylvania to be heat treated to
> 160,000 psi (normalized 4130 is good for 90,000 psi). Of course heat
> treating does not increase stiffness, so it still has a slight bow but
not
> apparent to the eye (as Jerry Dotson said, you can see the bow with a
> straightedge). The bow is significatnly less than it was with the .120"
> wall.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> --
--------
NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings covered and primed, one painted
Mitsubishi Powered
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399381#399381
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| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
FYI
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Way to go Bill---you're going to love it even more once you have your first flight!
Love the old-fashioned
telegram message!
Mike C.
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| From: | Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
Wow another neighbor with a Pietenpol. I look forward to hearing all about
it. Craig
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Telegram
> From: billsayre(at)ymail.com
> Date: Thu=2C 25 Apr 2013 15:14:20 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> FYI
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399393#399393
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
First Flight in Mr. Sam .... Magic, just plain and simple, Pure Magic. Finally
hooked up with Chuck Tippet this afternoon. He was pressed for time - so we
had just enough time to do three patterns and landings. What a great feeling
- open cockpit is the way to go. Reminds me so much of my days flying a Stearman
at the Flying Circus. Piet felt solid and steady in all phases of flight.
That O-200 has some kick ! Tomorrow we will finish up the insurance requirement
for 5 landings to a full stop. Then I'm off on my own. I can hear the
wild blue yonder calling me ...... :-)
--------
Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: thick axel weight |
On 4/25/2013 2:44 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> Thank you for doing the thick axel weight calculation.
>
> Even with my thick-walled axel my empty weight came out to 632 lbs. so you can
still build a decent weight
> Piet with that and a 3-piece wing like I have.
>
> I've had quite a few hard landings over the years and I'm pleased that the axel
has stood my tests these past
> couple hundred hours.
>
> One item I'd like to add is that I believe it to be important to keep the X brace
cables under the belly of the Jenny
> type gear very tight. I had some slight loosening of those cables a few years
ago and didn't catch it on my preflights
> like I should have so the gear was flexing just a touch over time and in time
it broke the bent tabs on one end of one
> of my spreader bars. I replaced both spreader bars w/ new.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
Good information Mike! I'll be sure to keep track of mine.
Rick Schreiber
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
For those of you flying with an O-200 - do these look about right?
Airspeed Limitations
Never Exceed Speed (Vne).......................100 mph
75% Power 3000 ft. MSL, 2000 RPM................70 mph
65% Power 3000 ft. MSL, 1900 RPM................60 mph
55% Power 3000 ft. MSL, 1800 RPM................55 mph
Rate of Climb at Sea Level, Gross Weight.......400 fpm
Takeoff Performance
Ground Roll Sod................................450 ft
Ground Roll Pavement...........................400 ft
Total Distance over 50 ft Obstacle.............1,500 ft
Landing Performance
Ground Roll......................................400 ft
Distance over 50 ft. Obstacle (estimated........1200 ft
Stall speed, Power Off..........................30 mph
AirSpeed Limitations
Vne Never Exceed Speed......................90 mph
Vno Maximum Structural Cruising Speed.......70 mph
Va Maneuvering Speed @ 1150 lbs............60 mph
Vr Rotation Speed..........................55 mph
Vs Stall Speed.............................30 mph
Vy Best Rate of Climb......................65 mph
Vx Best Angle of Climb.....................50 mph
Vmpg Best Economical Cruise Speed............70 mph
Vg Maximum Glide Distance Power Off......55 mph
Vef Engine Failure after Take Off Speed.....65 mph
AirSpeed Markings
Green Arc...................................30 - 80 mph
Yellow Arc..................................80 - 100 mph
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Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
The CAA hasn't made it to California yet. Very nice, Bill!!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BYD
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Telegram
FYI
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
HI Mike
My belts attach to the tail wheel with a cable that goes forward to about
where the bell crank is. Both sides of the seat belts attach and the
shoulder harness attaches to the same point. If anyone is interested I can
send a couple of pics.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 8:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam
>
> Hey Dick!
>
> REALLY sorry to see that, trust me, I know! Anyway, kinda ironic, I was
> going to make a post and have him ask YOU how you did your upper belt
> restraints (imagine they're the same in 2RN and 25RN?) with the cables
> back to the tailpost, as it seems like an easy retrofit and, as I can also
> attest, work really well.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399347#399347
>
>
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Axle thickness? |
Mine are 1 1/2" bronze flange bearings I made
myself. The wheel needed some creative
machining as my lathe/mill isn't big enough
to chuck a 19" wheel. I made an extension
for the outer side to place the bearings an
extra 1 1/2" further apart. I did everything I
could to keep the wheel as close as possible
to the bungies thus reducing the bending
moment on the axle. The only things not
mounted on the airframe are the wing panels
and fabric. The engine is 260 lb. There is no
bending on the axle evident at all. It is 1 1/2"
with 0.125 wall. I have purposely designed
my brake system to not require anything
welded to the axle. Will the 120 odd lb of
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